* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] PLEASE STAND BY. WE ARE GOING ON AIR IN 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THE OCTOBER 4TH MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. UM, WE HAVE A BUSY SCHEDULE TODAY, BUT AT NOON WE ARE GOING TO LOSE QUORUM FOR VARIANCES. SO WE ARE GOING TO ADJUST THE SCHEDULE A BIT SO THAT WE CAN HEAR THE VARIANCE REQUEST APPLICATIONS FIRST, AND THOSE WILL BE ANNOUNCED AS THEY COME. THANK YOU SO MUCH, LIO. ALRIGHT, SO GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. I CAN CONFIRM WE HAVE FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT. SO WE DO HAVE A, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. WE HAVE, UH, MAA, OLI SCOTT DIFFENDERFER, SARAH GIL NELSON, LAURA LEWIN, AND SAM SHELDON, SHAUNA MEYER, UM, UM, IS NOT HERE TODAY. SO, UM, NOW DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT? OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON. YEP. ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. TODAY'S MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD HAS BEEN SCHEDULED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH QUORUM OF THE BOARD, PHYSICALLY PRESENT AT THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH, CITY HALL, CITY COMMISSION, CHAMBERS AND APPLICANTS STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA THE ZOOM PLATFORM WEBINAR. IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN TODAY'S MEETING, THOSE WISHING TO PARTICIPATE VIA THE ZOOM PLATFORM WEBINAR MAY DIAL 8 8 8 4 7 5 4 4 9 9, AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 2 2 7 3 9 4 1 9 2 4, OR LOGIN INTO THE ZOOM APP AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH AGAIN IS 8 2 2 7 3 9 4 1 9 2 4. ANY INDIVIDUAL WISHING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM MUST CLICK THE RAISE HAND ICON IF THEY'RE USING THE ZOOM APP, OR DIAL STAR NINE IF THEY'RE PARTICIPATING BY PHONE. NOW, BEFORE, BEFORE I SWORE IN THOSE THAT ARE TESTIFYING, I'M GOING TO READ INTO THE RECORD THE CITY'S NOTICE REGARDING LOBBYIST REGISTRATION. IF YOU ARE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A CITY, UH, ON BEHALF OF A BUSINESS, A CORPORATION, OR ANOTHER PERSON, YOU MUST REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST WITH A CITY, WITH A CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. IF YOU HAVEN'T REGISTERED YET, YOU SHOULD REGISTER BEFORE YOU SPEAK TO THE BOARD. THAT INCLUDES ARCHITECTS, ATTORNEYS, OR EMPLOYEES REPRESENTING AN APPLICANT OR AN OBJECTOR. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST IN THREE LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES, ONE, IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ONLY ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF AND NOT ANY OTHER PARTY. TWO, IF YOU'RE TESTIFYING AS AN EXPERT WITNESS, PROVIDING ONLY SCIENTIFIC, TECHNICAL, OR OTHER SPECIALIZED INFORMATION OR TESTIMONY IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING. THREE, IF YOU'RE APPEARING AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION OR REIMBURSEMENT FOR YOUR APPEARANCE TO EXPRESS SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM. THAT SAID, EXPERT WITNESSES AND REPRESENTATIVES OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SHALL PRIOR TO APPEARING DISCLOSE IN WRITING TO THE CITY CLERK, THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THE PRINCIPLE ON WHOSE BEHALF THEY'RE COMMUNICATING. THESE RULES APPLY WHETHER YOU'RE APPEARING IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST AN ITEM, OR ENCOURAGING OR ARGUING AGAINST ITS PASSAGE, DEFEAT, MODIFICATION, OR CONTINUANCE. NOW, UM, IF YOU'RE PHYSICALLY PRESENT, PLEASE STAND AND RISE. UH, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. UH, VIRTUAL SPEAKERS WILL BE SWORN IN AT THE TIME OF THEIR PRESENTATION. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU WILL BE GIVEN IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. YOU GUYS MAY SIT DOWN AND YOU MAY PROCEED. OKAY. SO, UM, THE FIRST ITEM WITH A VARIANCE IS 1801 ALTON ROAD, BUT I BELIEVE THE ATTORNEY'S NOT HERE YET, OR SHOULD WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM? NEXT ONE. OKAY. OH, DO WE NEED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? OH, [1. After Action September 3, 2024 ] I APOLOGIZE. YES. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? UH, I MOVE TO, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. SECOND. UH, OKAY, MR. SHELDON AND MS. , ANY, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION PASSES AND MS. MEYERS ABSENT. OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA, [8. DRB23-0994, 40 ISLAND AVENUE, 1 FARREY LANE, 2 FARREY LANE.] THE NEXT ITEM WITH A VARIANCE WOULD BE DRB 24 DASH 0 9 9 4. THAT'S FOR THE STANDARD HOTEL 40 ISLAND AVENUE, ONE FERRY LANE AND TWO FERRY LANE. UM, SO AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL FOR THE RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, INCLUDING UPDATED FINISHES AND APPEARANCE AND FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW FIVE STORY HOTEL AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, INCLUDING VARIANCES FOR THE REQUIRED SUM OF SIDE YARD SETBACKS AND TO ALLOW FOR THE AGGREGATION OF THREE CONTIGUOUS LOTS AND INCLUDING ONE OR MORE WAIVERS TO REPLACE EXISTING STRUCTURES. UM, SO THE APPLICANT, UM, IS PROPOSING NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE SIDE OF THE STANDARD HOTEL. UM, THEY WILL [00:05:01] BE REPLACING THE EASTERN WING OF THE BUILDING, UM, WITH A NEW FIVE STORY BUILDING THAT WILL CONTAIN HOTEL UNITS. UM, AND IN THE UPPER FLOORS WE'LL HAVE SIX RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS, IS REMAINING THE, THE, UH, THE ENTRANCE BUILDING, WHICH IS THREE STORIES, UM, DESIGNED, UH, AND BUILT IN 1950 WILL BE REMAINING. UM, AS PART OF THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT. THE NEW BUILDING WILL ALSO INCLUDE PARKING SPACES ON THE GROUND FLOOR. CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO PARKING ON THE SITE, SO PARKING IS HAPPENING, UH, IN SUNSET HARBOR AND THE VALLEY OPERATIONS ARE VERY COMPLICATED. SO THIS WILL FACILITATE THE OPERATIONS OF THE BUILDING. THE ADDITIONAL LOTS THAT ARE BEING ADDED ON ONE AND TWO FERRY LANE ARE, ARE INTENDED TO INCLUDE A DRIVEWAY WHICH WILL GO INTO THE PARKING GARAGE AREA. GIVEN THE EXISTING FACADE, THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER LOCATION WHERE A DRIVEWAY COULD GO INTO THIS GARAGE. SO THAT'S WHY THOSE TWO LOTS ARE BEING ADDED. UM, A VARIANCE IS BEING SOUGHT FOR THOSE DRIVEWAY TO, TO ADD THOSE TWO LOTS. THERE IS A LIMIT IN THE R ONE DISTRICT OF, UH, TWO LOT AGGREGATION. UM, THEY'RE, IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE ADDING THREE LOTS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE AGGREGATING THREE LOTS. THE TWO LOTS ONE AND TWO FERRY LANE ARE PRETTY SMALL. SO ACTUALLY THE TWO TOGETHER EQUAL ONE STANDARD LOT. SO THAT IS A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY THAT THE LOTS ARE SUB, ARE NOT, UH, STANDARD LOTS. UM, SO THAT IS A, THAT IS A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY. UM, AND THEN FOR THE SUM OF SIDE YARDS, THE VARIANCE FOR SUM OF SIDE YARDS, BECAUSE THEY'RE ADDING THOSE TWO LOTS, UM, THAT INCREASES THE WIDTH OF THE PROPERTY. UM, THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH INDIVIDUAL SIDE SETBACKS, BUT THE SUM OF SIDE YARD SETBACKS INCREASES TO THE POINT WHERE IT IS A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY AND THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLY. THE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE SUM OF SIDE YARD SETBACKS. SO THEY'RE BASICALLY KEEPING A A, A CONTINUING NON-CONFORMANCE THAT ALREADY EXISTS ON THE SITE. UM, THE, THE PROPOSED NEW BUILDING, UM, IS IN A, UH, CONTEMPORARY STYLE. UM, UM, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE DESIGN, UM, WHICH I'M SURE THE APPLICANT WILL GO GO THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THE DESIGN. ADDITIONALLY, THEY ARE REQUESTING A WAIVER. UM, THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE NEW BUILDING IS FOR PARKING. AND THEY, AND SO THE CODE REQUIRES THAT YOU HAVE 12 FEET ABOVE THE DESIGN FLOOD ELEVATION, UM, FOR FUTURE ADAPTATION. BUT BECAUSE IT IS JUST BEING USED FOR PARKING, THEY'RE REQUESTING A WAIVER AND REDUCING THAT TO 10 FEET. UM, SO STAFF IS, IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE WAIVER AND THE TWO VARIANCES. THE, UM, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A CODE AMENDMENT THAT, UM, UM, IS BEING CONSIDERED. THEY DO HAVE SOME CODE ISSUES, UH, WITH THE SITE BECAUSE THEY'RE INTRODUCING RESIDENTIAL USES. IT'S TECHNICALLY AN APARTMENT HOTEL. UM, APARTMENT HOTELS ARE NOT, UH, A PERMISSIBLE USE IN THE ARMED ONE DISTRICT. SO THEY DO HAVE A CODE AMENDMENT IN PROGRESS TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. UM, THEY ALSO HAVE AN AMENDMENT IN PROGRESS THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE THREE LOT AGGREGATION. UH, BUT IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE SEEKING A VARIANCE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS, UM, ACCEPTABLE. UM, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE THE MAJOR ISSUES, UM, IS JUST THE CODE ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE MOVING FORWARD. AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, THEY DID SUBMIT A, UH, HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT TO THE CITY. IF THAT CODE AMENDMENT DOES NOT PASS, THEY'LL EITHER HAVE TO REWORK THE PROJECT OR, OR, OR THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT AS IS. UM, SO WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD APPROVE THE, UH, THE APPLICATION AND THE, UH, WAIVERS AND THE VARIANCES. SO, GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR, BOARD MAYOR STAFF, MICHAEL LARKIN, TURNER, SOUTH PISCA BOULEVARD HERE RESIDENT, THE APPLICANT. I'LL TELL YOU THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE LONGEST APPLICATIONS I WORKED ON. IT TAKEN ABOUT A YEAR AND A FEW MONTHS ACTUALLY TO GET TO HEARING BEFORE YOU, BUT IT WAS WORTH ALL THE EFFORT IT TOOK, THE DESIGN IMPROVED. OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR NEIGHBORS ARE GREAT. WE TOOK GREAT EFFORTS TO TRY TO REACH OUT TO EVERYONE. AND AS A RESULT, I THINK YOU'LL SEE LIKE POSITIVE UNIFORM SUPPORT FROM ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS TODAY. AND AS YOU KNOW, THE STANDARD IS A GYM IN MIAMI BEACH, SO EVERYONE CARES ABOUT THE STANDARD AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THE STANDARD AND NOT HAVE A RANGE OF OPINIONS ABOUT WHETHER IT'S RIGHT OR WRONG. SO WE THINK WE'RE VERY MUCH RIGHT IN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. AND, UM, SO COULD THE PRESENTATION BE PULLED UP, PLEASE? I'M ACTUALLY HAVING TROUBLE DOWNLOADING THE PRESENTATION FROM THE AGENDA. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT YOU GOTTA DO. I CLICK ON WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU? HERE, THERE, PLEASE CLICK, CLICK ON IT. I MEAN, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO. DO YOU WANT ME TO LOOK AT HERE? I, I DON'T KNOW. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE OTHER, THE OTHER APPLICATIONS. LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET TO IT ON HERE. I CAN HOLD MADAM CHAIR UNTIL YOU'RE DONE. LIKE THIS IS, THIS IS IMPORTANT. YOU GUYS NEED TO SEE IT. SO, WELL, WE CAN DO IT ON HERE. [00:10:02] I MEAN, ALL THE OTHER FILES I DOUBT SHE WAS ABLE TO DO A FEW MINUTES AGO. I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. MAYBE THEY FIXED IT. OKAY. SORRY FOR, SORRY, I THINK I CLICKED ON THE, UM, YEAH, SEE IT SAYS ZERO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SORRY, IT SEEMS TO BE LOADING ON MINE. IF YOU HIT CLICK, THERE'S A LITTLE EYEBALL . I CAN JUST LOOK AT THE, I HAVE THE ITEMS THAT WERE UPDATED. YOU WANT THE ACTUAL PLANS, RIGHT? I MEAN, I HAVE, I HAVE THE FILES THAT WERE UPDATED PREVIOUSLY. MM-HMM. BUT DIFFERENT, ALL THE DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL RIGHT. BUT JUST NOT THE ACTUAL PRESENTATION, BUT OH, GO AHEAD. I'LL BE OKAY IF YOU A HARD COPY. WE CAN SURE. YOU WANT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JUST DON'T PAGE AHEAD, PLEASE LET ME . THAT'S OKAY. OKAY, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. GOOD. SO AGAIN, GOOD MORNING. WE'RE HERE WITH A GREAT TEAM TO PRESENT TO Y'ALL. TODAY WE HAVE KOBE CARRP AND MATT PICARD FROM KOBE CARP ARCHITECTURE. WE HAVE BIG ARCHITECTURE WITH DOMINIKA FROM BIG, FROM THEIR NEW YORK CITY OFFICE. WE HAVE CHRIS COWLEY, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, JOAQUIN VARGAS, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, UH, JAIME, SAMANTHA FROM INTEGRA. THEY'RE OUR OWNER'S REP, PROJECT MANAGERS. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS NICK RODRIGUEZ, MY COLLEAGUE FROM MY LAW FIRM WHO KEPT THE TRAINS RUNNING ON TIME THIS WHOLE YEAR AND SOME MONTHS. SO THANK YOU NICK FOR THAT. NEXT SLIDE. SO THE STANDARD PROPERTY IS A PIE SHAPED LOT ON NORTH SIDE OF BELL ISLE. IT'S ABOUT 2.3 ACRES WITH FERRY LANE ONE AND TWO ADDS ABOUT 5,500 SQUARE FEET TO THAT ACREAGE AMOUNT. THE HOTEL BUILDING ITSELF IS A U-SHAPED BUILDING WITH TWO WINGS AND A CENTER STRUCTURE. WE HAVE A ONE STORY EAST WING, WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE REDEVELOPED, A TWO STORY WEST WING THAT WILL BE RENOVATED AND PRESERVED, AND THEN A THREE STORY CENTER STRUCTURE FACING ISLAND AVENUE THAT WILL BE PRESERVED. THE OWNERS HAVE ALSO PURCHASED FERRY LANE, UH, ONE AND TWO, WHICH IS THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER IN ORDER TO DEVELOP ONSITE PARKING WITHOUT DEMOLISHING ANY PART OF THE ICONIC CENTER STRUCTURE IN ORDER TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY THERE. NEXT SLIDE. SO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE OF THE PROPERTY HAVE EVOLVED OVER TIME, AS IS THE CASE IN MANY BUILDINGS. IN MIAMI BEACH, THE ORIGINAL HOTELS DESIGNED BY NORMAN GILLER, IT WAS A CLASSIC MIMO MOTEL, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'D FIND IN THE UPPER EAST SIDE IN THE MIMO DISTRICT IN MIAMI OR IN NORTH BEACH. ORIGINALLY THERE WAS A DRIVEWAY ON THE EAST SIDE LEADING TO A SURFACE PARKING LOT BETWEEN THE EAST WING AND THE HOMES ON FERRY LANE. NEXT SLIDE. IN 1960, THE ORIGINAL ONE STORY SOUTH WING WAS DEMOLISHED AND THE PROPERTY WAS REDEVELOPED AS THE LIDO SPA HOTEL. ACCORDING TO THE CITY RECORDS, A HERBERT MATHIS DESIGNED THE 1960S THREE STORY CENTER STRUCTURE THAT WE ALL RECOGNIZE TODAY AS WE'RE DRIVING OR WALKING BY ON THE VENETIAN CAUSEWAY. NEXT SLIDE. TODAY, THE STANDARDS OF WELLNESS OASIS KNOWN FOR ITS HAMAN SPA AND BAYFRONT POOL DECK. THE HOTELS THE OPPOSITE OF THE PARTY HOTELS OF SOUTH BEACH, FOCUSING MORE ON CREATING A LIVELY AT TRANQUIL PLACE ON THE SHORES OF BISCAY BAY. THE STANDARDS OF BELOVED PART OF THE BELL ISLE COMMUNITY AND MANY OF ITS MEMBERS LIVE NEARBY AND USE THE HOTEL AS AN EXTENSION OF THEIR HOMES ON BELL ISLE. NEXT SLIDE. SO THE APPLICATION TODAY CONTAINS FOUR DIFFERENT REQUESTS. THE FIRST IS THE DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL FOR THE PROPOSED EAST WING REDEVELOPMENT THAT CONTAIN 50 MODERN HOTEL ROOMS AND SIX LARGE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. NEXT IS A DESIGN WAIVER TO ALLOW CLEARANCE HEIGHT, 10 FEET, TWO INCHES BETWEEN BASE LEVEL ELEVATION, PLUS MINIMUM FREEBOARD AND THE CEILING OF THE ROOF OF THE PARKING AREA. NEXT IS A VARIANCE TO ALLOW SOME OF THE SIDE YARD SETBACK WITH 30 FEET FIVE INCHES, WHERE 37 FEET TWO INCHES IS REQUIRED. AND LASTLY, A VARIANCE TO ALLOW THE AGGREGATION OF FERRY LANE ONE AND TWO INTO THE OVERALL PROPERTY. FOR THE PURPOSE OF VEHICULAR CIRCULATION, STAFF IS MAKING AN APPROVAL OF ALL OF OUR APPLICATION REQUESTS. WE ACCEPT ALL THE STAFF'S CONDITIONS. WE'LL GET INTO MORE DETAIL OF THE WAIVER AND VARIANCES, UH, ONCE YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THE DESIGN. BUT BEFORE TURNING OVER THE DESIGN TO KOBE IKA, WE WANNA HIGHLIGHT THIS APPLICATION REPRESENTS A YEAR AND A HALF OF COLLABORATION WITH THE BELLE ISLE RESIDENT ASSOCIATION AND ADJACENT NEIGHBORS. WE ARE REQUIRED BY CODE TO DISCLOSE ANY AGREEMENTS WITH NEIGHBORS INVOLVING ANY TYPE OF CONSIDERATION, WHETHER MONETARY OR NON-MONETARY. WE'VE SUBMITTED [00:15:01] THE DISCLOSED LETTER INTO THE RECORD AND ARE HAPPY TO EXPLAIN. WE'VE ENTERED AGREEMENTS WITH THE BELL ISLE RESIDENT ASSOCIATION, WHICH INVOLVE MONETARY CONSIDERATION, THE SAGER FAMILY WHO OWN A BUDDING PROPERTY AT EIGHT CENTURY LANE, WHICH INVOLVED NON-MONETARY CONSIDERATION, THE FOXMAN FAMILY WHO OWN A BUDDING PROPERTY AT SEVEN CENTURY LANE, WHICH INVOLVE NON-MONETARY CONSIDERATION, AS WELL AS THE OWNERS OF SIX AND SEVEN FERRY LANE THAT ALSO INVOLVE NON-MONETARY CONSIDERATION. WE HAVE BUILT SUPPORT FOR THIS APPLICATION THROUGH OUR EFFORTS OF OUTREACH, INCLUDING A VERY WELL ATTENDED ONLINE COMMUNITY MEETING. WE SENT A PERSONAL NOTICE OF THIS VIRTUAL COMMUNITY MEETING TO EVERY UNIT AND HOME IN BELL ISLE, AND HAD OVER A 120 PEOPLE ATTEND OUR OUR ONLINE PRESENTATION. WE ALSO HELD A SMALL GATHERING FOR CENTURY AND FERRY LANE RESIDENCE AT THE STANDARD LAST TUESDAY TO ANSWER ANY LAST QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT. THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT BENEFITS TO RESIDENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS APPLICATION, INCLUDING THE ADDITION OF ONSITE PARKING, WHICH WILL REDUCE TRAFFIC ON THE VENETIAN CAUSEWAY BY ELIMINATING THE VALET TRIPS TO AND FROM THE VALET STORAGE LOT IN SUNSET HARBOR AND THE CREATION OF A LOADING DOCK INTERNAL TO THE PROPERTY. WE ARE DOING THIS WHILE NOT EXPANDING THE ROOM COUNT OF THE HOTEL, WHICH WILL REMAIN FIXED AT 105 ROOMS. OVERALL, THE APPLICATOR'S GIVEN THE STANDARD A CHANCE TO RECONNECT WITH ITS NEIGHBORS AND COME UP WITH COMPROMISES TO IMPROVE OPERATIONS AND PRESERVE THE LONGEVITY OF THE HOTEL. WHILE IT MAY BE IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY, WE ARE PROUD OF ALL THE EFFORTS WE HAVE MADE AND SUPPORT WE HAVE OBTAINED. THE DESIGN THAT YOU'LL SEE IS A COLLABORATION BETWEEN BIG AND KOBE CAR'S OFFICE. BIG CAME UP WITH THE DESIGN CONCEPT AND KOBE AND HIS TEAM MOLDED IT TO MEET THE CITY'S CODE STANDARDS. NOW I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO DOMINICA FROM BIG'S NEW YORK CITY OFFICE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THE DESIGN. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. UM, UH, WELL WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE PERMITTED ZONING ENVELOPE, THE NEW EAST WING RISES, UM, UH, UH, FOUR STORIES ABOVE, UM, ABOVE THE PLOT PLANE. IT'S, UH, WEST FACING FACADE, UH, LEANS BACK EVER SO SLIGHTLY TO ALLOW, UM, MORE LIGHT TO THE, UH, TO THE EXISTING GROUNDS OF, UM, OF THE STANDARD GARDEN, UM, DEPLETED, UH, DEPLETED EXTERIOR, UM, OF THE BUILDING, DIRECTS VIEWS FROM THE BUILDING INTERIOR, UH, TOWARDS THE WATER, UM, AND, UM, AND, AND THE BAY. AND DRAWING ON THE TRADITION OF BUNGALOW STYLE, UM, ARCHITECTURE, THE DESIGN SEEKS TO SEAMLESSLY INTEGRATE WITHIN, UH, UH, WITHIN THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT, UH, SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND A DISTINCTIVE, UH, UM, UH, CHARACTER AND SENSE OF, UH, PLACE AND DESTINATION THAT MIAMI BEACH IS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE KOBE CARP COME UP AND WALK YOU THROUGH THE DESIGN. GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. AND I THINK THAT SINCE STAFF REPRESENTED THE PROJECT SO WELL AS WELL AS DOMINICA AND MICHAEL, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY REALLY. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THE PROJECT HERE, WE HAVE, UH, THE BOARDS IN FRONT OF YOU, AND LEMME SEE IF I CAN PUSH THIS FORWARD. THIS IS, UM, THE EXISTING, UM, BUILDING THAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR DEMOLITION IN THE SKETCHED IN RED. THIS IS THE MASSING THAT DOMINICA HAS MENTIONED THAT IS STEPPING BACK, MEANING THAT AS WE ASCEND UP THE BUILDING, WE ARE, UH, STEPPING BACK THE BUILDING TO LET MORE LIGHT AND AIR INTO IT. BLESS YOU. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THE, UH, AXONOMETRIC AXONOMETRIC SHOWS HOW IT IS THAT THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE ON TOP. AND THEN WE HAVE THE HOTEL ROOMS, UH, BELOW. AND OF COURSE WE HAVE THE ADDITIONAL PARKING, UM, WHICH ALLOWS US, WHICH IS THE UNIQUE, UM, SOLUTION HERE AND HAS BEEN MENTIONED. WE HAVE REVIEWED THIS WITH, UM, STAFF AND THE NEIGHBORS. UM, THIS IS AN IMAGE FROM THE WATER. UM, WE CHOSE WHAT THE PUBLIC SPACES WOULD LOOK LIKE. THIS IS, UM, A BIT MORE OF A, THE DIAGRAM OF IT. AND THIS IS AN AERIAL TO SHOW IT IN CONTEXT. AND WHAT'S NICE ABOUT THE RESIDENCES ON ON TOP IS ALSO THAT YOU HAVE THE ROOFTOP UNITY AREAS THAT ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE THE BUILDING LOOK ALL THE WAY AROUND. SO THE OPPORTUNITY HERE, MORE SO THAN EVER BEFORE, IS TO HAVE THE BUILDING BECOME MORE ARCHITECTURALLY PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OPEN UP TO ALL SIDES. AND THAT IS WHAT THE IMAGERY IS LIKE. AND THIS IS THE, UM, AERIAL IN CONTEXT. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THE ROOFTOP AMENITIES HERE ARE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AND FOR THE END USERS. UM, WE CLEARLY HAVE THE EXISTING CENTRAL, UH, GARDEN SPACES BEING, UH, IMPROVED. WE HAVE THE EXISTING, UH, GARDENS, UH, BEING UPDATED, THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, BOTH MEETING ISLAND AVENUE AND THE NEIGHBORS AND THE BAY HAS SUBSTANTIALLY BEEN IMPROVED. THIS SHOWS YOU HOW IT IS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO ESSENTIALLY, UM, BRING THE VEHICLES INTO THE, UM, GROUND LEVEL OF THE STRUCTURE. AND THIS IS THE CIRCULATION AND, UM, THE DROP OFF AND THE LOADING. [00:20:02] AND THIS IS THE DROP OFF FOR THE LOBBY, WHICH NOW CREATES A MUCH BETTER SOLUTION. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE ANGLED, UH, WALLS AND THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO THE GARDEN. AND AS WE ASCEND UP THE BUILDING, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, THE NEW HOTEL ROOMS AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC SPACES WITH THE ROOFTOP PENTHOUSES RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, WHICH MAKES IT A MORE UNIQUE BUILDING. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU ARE MORE IN CONTEXT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT ONLY ARCHITECTURALLY, BUT ALSO FROM A FUNCTIONING STANDPOINT, MEANING THAT YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT AS PART OF THE HOTEL . AND THAT ALSO HELPS US TO LOOK INTO THE FUTURE AND BE, MAKE, MAKE IT A MORE SUSTAINABLE SOLUTION AS IT WILL CONTINUE TO HELP US, UH, PRESERVE THIS ARCHITECTURE AND THE EXISTING FACADES OF THE BUILDING. UM, IN PERPETUITY, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE MATERIALS AND, AND THE VERTICAL ELEMENTS THAT WE HAVE TAKEN, IS THAT WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED MATERIALS AND FINISHES. OBVIOUSLY DOMINICA AND HER TEAM HAVE BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN THE MATERIALS THAT WE HAVE HERE, AND WE ARE REALLY ARE LOOKING TO CREATE A VERY QUIET RESIDENTIAL DESTINATION. UM, THIS IS THE CLEARANCES, UH, THAT MICHAEL WAS, UH, REFERRING TO. AND YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE AND, UH, THROUGH THE PACKAGE THAT YOU HAVE IS HOW IT IS THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF AND THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL AS TO IMPLEMENTATION OF THE LANDSCAPING ON ALL THE WAY AROUND FROM ISLAND AVENUE, UM, TO OUR ADJACENT NEIGHBORS. UM, WITH THAT I'LL WRAP UP AND, UH, BE QUIET WITH ANY QUESTIONS AND NO SUGGESTIONS. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. SO MADAM CHAIR, THE REMAINDER OF THE PRESENTATION, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH OUR REQUEST. UM, AND THEN I PASSED OUT CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR YOU ALL. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM. THEY'RE BASED ON NEGOTIATIONS AND TALKS WE'VE HAD WITH OUR ADJACENT NEIGHBORS ON WHAT THEY WANNA SEE IN THIS ORDER. SO THAT'S WHERE ALL THESE CONDITIONS CAME FROM. UM, BUT KOBE JUST WENT OVER THE WAIVER REQUEST. TYPICALLY THE FLOOR TO CEILING HEIGHT, THE GROUND FLOOR PARKING AREA IS 12 FEET. BUT YOU CAN SEEK A WAIVER USE OF THE 10. WE THOUGHT EVERY FOOT COUNTS TO TRY TO SHRINK THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT. TWO FEET MATTER. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT. UM, WITH REGARD TO THE, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW, IT'S, UM, AND IT, CAN YOU PUT THE TO 40? YOU WANT THE WAIVER? YEAH. PASS THE WAIVER TO 40. SO HERE, THE INTERIOR SIDE OR SETBACK FOR THE NEW EAST WING, WE'RE SEEKING, UH, A VARIANCE FOR THAT. WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE CLASSIC CASE LAW, IF YOU LOOK AT FERRY LANE ONE AND TWO, THAT, THAT'S WHERE YOU MEASURE THE NECESSARY WIDTH YOU NEED FOR THE INTERIOR SIDE YARD SETBACK. AND THEN WHEN YOU INCLUDE FERRY LANE ONE AND TWO, IT INFLATES THE SIZE OF A PROPERTY. SO THERE, THEREBY IT INFLATES THE, THE SETBACK AREA. UH, BUT THAT'S, SO, AND OUR PROPERTY MAKES IT UNUSUALLY SHAPED PIE SHAPED LOT. HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO YOU THINK YOU'LL NEED? YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY IT. I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE DONE. SO WE WORRY. I CAN GIVE YOU A FEW MORE MINUTES. NO, NO, THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S BETTER THAT YOU ALL SPEAK. SO WE'RE HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS. THAT CONCLUDES YOUR PRESENTATION. UM, ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK? OH, PLEASE COME FORWARD. YOU WELCOME. YEP. GOOD MORNING. I'M GARY RUG, RUGG 20 ISLAND AVENUE ON BELL ISLE. AND MICHAEL WAS CORRECT. IT TOOK A VERY LONG TIME TO GET HERE AND WE HAVE GOTTEN HERE AND OUR ASSOCIATION HAD A MEETING FOR THE ENTIRE ISLAND AND PEOPLE CAME OUT BECAUSE THE STANDARD IS A VERY POPULAR PLACE IN OUR ISLAND. AND I KNOW WHEN I MOVED IN WITH MY WIFE, UH, 12 YEARS AGO, WE WERE SURPRISED BY THE STANDARD AND HOW MANY PEOPLE GO TO THE STANDARD FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE SEVEN BUILDINGS AS PART OF BELL ISLE, AND IT DID TAKE A LONG TIME. WE DIDN'T WANT HEIGHT, WE DIDN'T WANT BOOZE AT MIDNIGHT OR LATER WE WERE READY TO DO ARGUE WITH MICHAEL. I'VE KNOWN MICHAEL FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND WE AGREE OR DISAGREE AT DIFFERENT TIMES, BUT HE HAS WORKED WITH THE BOARD, OUR COMMITTEE OF PEOPLE, AND HE HAS COME UP WITH A WONDERFUL DISPLAY AND A WONDERFUL DESIGN. AND YOU'VE GOT TOP PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. WE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE NOISE AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE TWO TO THREE YEARS TO GET IT ALL DONE. BUT WE TOO FEEL [00:25:01] THAT THIS IS GOING TO WORK OUT FOR US. WE'RE GONNA HAVE PARKING, NO MORE BLOCKING THINGS. THE, EVEN THE DELIVERIES WILL GO THROUGH THE PARKING AREA. SO I'M HERE TODAY TO REPRESENT THE GROUP AND, UH, SAY, LET'S MOVE ON. WE THINK IT'S READY TO GO AND WHEN WE ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU WILL BE ASKING. SO WE'RE VERY PLEASED ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND TO CLARIFY, MR. RUG, THE THE BUILDING THAT YOU'RE IN, IT'S NEXT DOOR. IT'S THE MULTI-STORY BUILDING THAT'S NEXT TO NUMBER 10 VENETIAN WAY. OKAY. WE ARE A, UM, 14TH STORY BUILDING ON THE OTHER SIDE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE ONE THAT WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WAS VISTA. YEAH. WHICH IS A LOWER BUILDING AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE STANDARD. YES. SO THEY HAVE COME ALONG BOARD WITH IT AND, UH, WORKING AS MEMBERS OF THE BELL ISLE RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PLEASE COME FORWARD. GOOD MORNING. UM, AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR SERVICE. UH, MY NAME'S JOANNA FERONE. I LIVE AT NINE FERRY LANE. UH, AND, UH, I HAVE HEARD THE WORD ADJACENT USED IN REFERENCE TO THE BUILDINGS ACROSS THE STREET AND ACROSS THE PARK FROM THE STANDARD HOTEL. I WILL BE LOOKING AT THE NEW STANDARD HOTEL EVERY TIME I WALK OUT MY DOOR. IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, 50 FEET AWAY. UM, SO I WOULD CALL THAT MORE ADJACENT THAN THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE STREET. A LOT OF REFERENCE HAS BEEN MADE TO, UH, THE FACT THAT NEGOTIATIONS WERE GOING ON WITH THE COMMUNITY. UM, THE BELLOW RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION HAS NEVER REPRESENTED ME OR MOST OF MY, UH, NEIGHBORS ON FERRY LANE. UH, I'VE NEVER RECEIVED, UH, ANY COMMUNICATION FROM THEM. I'VE NEVER BEEN INVITED TO VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTATIVES ON THAT BOARD. I, I'VE NEVER BEEN IN THE LEAST INVOLVED NOR INVITED TO BE INVOLVED IN THE 15 YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED ON FERRY LANE. SO TO SAY THAT THEY REPRESENT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY IS, IS, UH, A STRETCH IN MY EXPERIENCE. UM, I DON'T HAVE AN ARGUMENT WITH MICHAEL. HE'S SUCH A LOVELY GENTLEMAN. I LOVE THE STANDARD. I HAVE GOOD FRIENDS THAT WORK THERE. UH, I, I'M A GOOD NEIGHBOR. THEY'VE BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'VE CALLED MAYBE ONE TIME ABOUT, UH, THE DJ BOOTH THAT'S JUST ADJACENT TO, UH, THAT'S JUST ON THE WATER AND KIND OF GETS A LITTLE BIT ANNOYING SOMETIMES AND A LITTLE BIT LOUD. I THINK I CALLED THE STANDARD ONCE. I DON'T PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL THE CITY AND COMPLAIN. I CALLED THEM AND THEY TAKE CARE OF IT. UH, AND THAT WAS JUST ONE TIME. SO I PUT UP WITH A LOT OF STUFF JUST 'CAUSE I HAVE A VERY POSITIVE FEELING TOWARD, UH, THAT PLACE. AND I AM NOT, I DON'T OBJECT TO THEM WANTING TO, UH, PROGRESS AND DEVELOP AND DO WHAT MAKES, UH, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL SENSE FOR THEM. I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS HOW THIS WHOLE THING WENT DOWN. I HONESTLY HAVE NEVER SEEN THESE PLANS UNTIL TODAY. UH, I WAS INVITED TO COME LAST WEEK FOR A COCKTAIL WITH THE PEOPLE FROM CENTURY AND FERRY. IT DIDN'T FIT MY SCHEDULE. THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT TOO LATE. UM, APPARENTLY A NEGOTIATION HAPPENED. THERE WAS A SETTLEMENT, UH, WITH A VALUE OF A MILLION 0.27. I FOUND OUT, I FOUND OUT ALL THIS LAST WEEK. I FOUND OUT THAT THE STANDARD IS IN NEGOTIATIONS OR HAS CLOSED A DEAL WITH, UH, GREG, THE GUY WHO HAS THE EMPTY LOT. IT'S ME, STEVE, AND GREG. GREG IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE STANDARD. HE OWNS THAT PROPERTY AND THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH WILL BE VERY CLOSE BY. I'M SORRY, YOUR TIME IS UP. WOULD YOU LIKE ONE MORE MINUTE TO FINISH, OR? UH, YEAH. LET ME HAVE ONE MORE MINUTE TO FINISH. IF I HAVE A, AN EVENT AT MY HOUSE, I LET MY NEIGHBORS KNOW BECAUSE THE CARS ARE GONNA BE COMING DOWN THE STREET. THERE [00:30:01] MIGHT BE A LITTLE EXTRA NOISE. THEY'RE LIKELY TO BE INCONVENIENCED. SO I LET THEM KNOW. IN THIS CASE, THE NEGOTIATION HAS HAPPENED WITH EVERYBODY WHO LIVES WAY ACROSS THE STREET AND REALLY IS NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED THE WAY WE ARE. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TRUCKS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE CONSTRUCTION DUST, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE SITUATION FOR THE THREE YEARS. AND NOBODY BOTHERED TO COME AND SPEAK WITH US, AND NOBODY'S GIVING US A MILLION PLUS DOLLARS. UH, AND I THINK IT'S PATENTLY WRONG. SO I WOULD LIKE FOR THE STANDARD TO COME IN GOOD FAITH AND SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THEIR PLANS. AND THEN WE CAN SUPPORT IT UNDER THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES IF WE MAKE SURE THAT THE HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION AND THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BRING TRUCKS DOWN THE STREET. WHERE LAST TIME WHEN THEY DID THE, UH, THE, THE POWER THING, WE'VE GOT A CONCAVE AREA IN OUR STREET. IT'S ABOUT 15 FEET WIDE AND 15 FEET THE OTHER WAY. EVERY TIME IT RAINS, WE HAVE A PUDDLE FOR THREE DAYS. IT'S THAT DEEP. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS. THE LAST TIME THEY HAD A PLAN, THEY CAME TO US. WE TALKED ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION. WE TALKED ABOUT WHETHER THEY COULD COME BY WAY OF THE BACK DOOR OR NOT AND, AND WHAT THE PARAMETERS WOULD BE THAT WERE VERY, VERY, UH, CAREFUL ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND THAT EVERYBODY WAS SATISFIED WITH HOW THINGS WERE GOING TO GO DOWN. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. I'M REALLY JUST FINDING OUT ABOUT THIS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. IT'S CRAZY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE YOUR THOUGHTS INTO CONSIDERATION. UH, ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC? NO, WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO ONLINE, IF NOBODY'S ON OUT IN PERSON. NOPE. OKAY. SHOULD WE GO ONLINE? UH, SCOTT FOXMAN. HI SCOTT. ARE YOU IN LINE? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? UH, YES. UH, BE BEFORE YOU GO ON. I JUST NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN, UH, QUICKLY. OKAY. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'LL BE GIVING IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU MAY PROCEED. UM, SO MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED NEXT TO THE STANDARD FOR ON THE WATER TWO DOORS DOWN FOR 16 YEARS. AND, UM, THE STANDARD'S ALWAYS BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR. I, WE'VE ACTUALLY STAYED THERE. THAT'S HOW WE FOUND OUR HOUSE BY STAYING THERE. UH, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE PUT PEOPLE UP THERE AND HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN A VERY GOOD NEIGHBOR. UM, IN THIS, IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE A FEW ISSUES WITH THE STANDARD. AND ONE OF THEM IS NOISE, YOU KNOW. SO WE APPROACHED THEM AND THEY CAME UP WITH GREAT SOLUTIONS. UH, THE, YOU'LL SEE AS PART OF THEIR DISCLOSURE, THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, PUT A SOUND BARRIER. THEY LIMITED ANY MUSIC AFTER EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. THEY MOVED THE SPEAKERS FROM THAT END OF THE PROPERTY AND THEY DEFINITELY ADEQUATELY ANSWERED ALL OF OUR ISSUES. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE STANDARD DOING WELL. AND, UH, WE NOW THOROUGHLY APPROVE OF THE PROJECT. UM, I ALSO AGREE WITH JOANNE IN ONE SENSE TOO. UH, THE BELL ISLAND, UH, RESIDENT ASSOCIATION DOESN'T REALLY REPRESENT US 'CAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS. AND I'M WITH HER IN THAT THEY DIDN'T APPROACH US. MATTER OF FACT, I APPROACHED THEM AND DIDN'T GET ANYWHERE. BUT THAT BEING SAID, UH, I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR. MY WIFE AND I ARE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT, AND IT WAS VERY EASY TO DEAL WITH MICHAEL AND MIGUEL. AND THAT'S IT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I'M GLAD TO ANSWER THEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT PERSON IS ANNETTE LOPEZ. HI, ANNETTE. ARE YOU LINE? I AM. GOOD MORNING. UH, HI. GOOD MORNING. I JUST NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN REALLY QUICKLY BEFORE YOU CONTINUE. UH, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU WILL BE GIVING IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, I DO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU MAY CONTINUE. UM, I, UM, I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE SAGER FAMILY. THEY LIVE AT EIGHTH CENTURY LANE. IT IS, UH, DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE STANDARD ON THE WATER. UM, MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STANDARD. UM, I'M, WE'RE HERE, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SEGERS. UM, TO SAY THAT, UH, WE HAVE REVIEWED THE PLANS, UH, THE PROPOSED PLANS, UH, AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MUCH NEEDED ONSITE PARKING. UH, AND WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. UM, THE, THE TRAFFIC, UH, OVERFLOWS FROM THE VENETIA IS NOT JUST ON THE VENETIAN CAUSEWAY. IT OVERFLOWS INTO THE ADJACENT STREETS, INCLUDING MY CLIENT STREET ON CENTURY LANE. UM, SO THIS IS A VERY WELCOMED PROJECT. UH, WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE STANDARD HOTEL TEAM AND TO UNDERSTAND THE CHANGES THAT ARE OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY. WE'VE REVIEWED THE PLANS [00:35:02] AND, UH, WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE A POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO THE BELL IS NEIGHBORHOOD. I, I, I FIGURED THAT MUCH. THERE'S . THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THAT THE LAST PERSON IN LINE? THAT'S ALL WE HAVE ONLINE. OKAY. I'M NOW GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION AND OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. UM, WHO WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN? OKAY, I'LL START. UM, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. I FIRST WANNA START OFF TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT SAY THEY HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING. UM, I USED TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE BELLOW RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION FOR THE RECORD. I'M COMPLETELY NOT INVOLVED ANYMORE FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, I THINK. UM, BUT THE NOTICES THAT GO OUT, THE EMAILS, YOU CAN ALWAYS GO TO AL RESIDENCE.ORG AND THE, THE GOSSIP THAT GOES AROUND THAT ISLAND. I'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT SO MANY PROPOSALS OF PROJECTS IN THE LAST HOWEVER MANY YEARS. SO I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN OUT THERE, JOE, I'M SORRY. BUT IT'S BEEN TOTALLY OUT THERE. UM, OKAY. I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, RESIDENTS ALSO DOESN'T LIVE NEXT TO THE PROJECT, BUT I'VE NOT HEARD A GOD THING UNTIL THE LAST. OKAY. DID YOU GET A NOTICE? I, WE HAD NOTICES GO OUT TO, WELL, ANYWAY, I GOT A NOTICE AND I'M NOT EVEN CLOSE TO IT, BUT, WELL, YOU LIVE WHERE THE NOTICES GO. I DON'T. OKAY. UM, I'M REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT. UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY, I KNOW YOU'VE WORKED REALLY HARD WITH THE NEIGHBORS. UM, I'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE APPROACH ME ABOUT IT AND ASK ME QUESTIONS. AND I, AGAIN, I'M NOT INVOLVED WITH IT. UM, BUT SO FAR THE FEEDBACK'S BEEN REALLY, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERY OPEN-MINDED TO THIS. I HAVE TO SAY THAT THE LANDSCAPING IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. THE TRANSPARENCY OF THE BUILDING IS REALLY NICE. UM, AND I CANNOT EXPRESS ENOUGH HOW IMPORTANT I THINK THE ROOFTOP GREENERY IS ON LOW BUILDINGS SURROUNDED BY HIGHRISES. SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY RESPECTFUL OF EVERYBODY LOOKING AT THAT FROM ABOVE. UM, SO ANYWAY, I'M HAPPY WITH THE PROJECT. I SUPPORT THE VARIANCES DUE TO THE, UH, TO WHAT THE WHOLE PROJECT IS FOR. I UNDERSTAND. UM, THE TRAFFIC, THE PARKING, ALL THAT. SO I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SCOTT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE COMMENT ON, UH, OH, I'LL GO UNLESS YOU'RE READY. UM, I, UH, I CONCUR WITH STAFF'S ANALYSIS THAT, THAT THE VARIANCES ARE WARRANTED BASED UPON THE IRREGULAR SHAPES, UM, OF THE LOTS, UH, AND THE OTHER FACTORS IDENTIFIED IN STAFF'S REPORT. UM, SO I, I DO INTEND TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE GRANTED OF THOSE, THOSE TWO VARIANCES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. YEAH, I'LL ECHO THAT AS WELL. UM, I APPRECIATE THE RENDERINGS FROM THE, FROM FERRY LANE TO, TO SEE HOW THIS WOULD INTERPLAY WITH THE, THE RESIDENTS ON THAT SIDE. UM, YEAH, I, AND I, I AGREE AS WELL WITH THE, THE VARIANCE REQUEST. IT'S, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS, UM, THIS IS THE EXACT SITUATION WHERE THOSE ARE NEEDED. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. I, UM, FROM LISTENING TO YOUR PRESENTATION AND THE REVIEW OF THE DOCUMENT SUBMITTED BY STAFF, I AGREE WITH THE TWO VARIANCES AND THE, UM, THE VARIANCE FOR THE AGGREGATION OF THE THREE LOTS BASED ON THAT. TWO OF THEM ARE NOT EVEN OF FULL SIZE WE'LL CALL. AND THE VARIANCE FOR THE, UM, SIDE SETBACKS, UH, WHICH BASICALLY ROGELIO, IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, IT DOESN'T REDUCE THE SIDE SETBACKS AS IT EXISTS TODAY. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN THE, UH, WAIVER FOR THE HEIGHT ON THE PARKING GARAGE, UH, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT GOES ON WITH BELL ISLE ASSOCIATION AND THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE NOT PART OF THAT ASSOCIATION THAT LIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ISLAND, BUT TO HAVE CALLED A MEETING ONLY A WEEK AGO OF ALL OF THEM, UM, IS HARD TO ACCEPT BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES MOSTLY AFFECTED. UM, BUT I SEE THAT THREE PEOPLE OR TWO PEOPLE HAVE COME IN AND SAID THAT THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH IT. I GUESS IN THE LAST WEEK YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THEM, MICHAEL, AND THEN THE LADY THAT CAME BEFORE US. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MORE RESIDENTS ON, UH, FERRY LANE OR CENTURY LANE ARE THERE THAT, UM, DO NOT KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON OR DO NOT AGREE OR AGREE, UM, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. I THINK IT'S A WORTHWHILE PROJECT. OBVIOUSLY IT MAKES SENSE. UM, BUT THE PEOPLE AFFECTED NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN ALL OF THIS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN DO THAT. WELL, I'VE [00:40:01] KNOWN JOANNE FOR A LONG TIME. I THINK THE WORLD OF HER THINKS SHE'S GREAT. THIS IS JOY. OKAY. AND I'M VERY HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH HER AFTER THE HEARING, WALK THROUGH THE PLANS, AND GO THROUGH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT CONDITIONS. I THINK THAT'LL GIVE HER A LOT OF, UH, PEACE IF I DO THAT. AND I WILL DO THAT. AND HOW ABOUT HOW MANY MORE RESIDENTS ARE IN THOSE TWO STREETS THAT ARE AFFECTED BESIDES THE TWO THAT SPOKE TODAY? WELL, BEAR IN MIND A LOT OF THEM WERE AT THE MEETING LAST WEEK. I THINK FERRY LANE MIGHT HAVE 11 HOME SITES. CENTURY LANE I THINK HAS ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE MM-HMM. . AND WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM HOMEOWNERS ON CENTURY LANE. UM, STEVE ROSE IS JOANNE'S NEIGHBOR. WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HIS SUPPORT AND THEN THE MELLI KOTZE PROPERTIES, WE HAVE THEIR SUPPORT. AND, AND KIM MARTIN IS AT THREE FERRY LANE AND SHE SITS ON THE BELLA ISLE RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION BOARD. AND SHE WAS AT THE MEETING. WE HAVE HER SUPPORT. SO, AGAIN, I'M NOT GONNA QUIBBLE JOANNE, IF SHE FEELS DISAPPOINTED IN ME THAT I DIDN'T DO ENOUGH OUTREACH. I'M HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH HER AFTER THIS HEARING AND SHOW EVERYTHING. OKAY. I THINK IF MAYBE YOU'LL SIT WITH HER AND JUST GO OVER A FEW THINGS. YEAH. UM, HAPPY TO DO THAT. ALRIGHT. UM, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF, OH, I WANTED YOU GO. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU, UH, SO I, I I DO KNOW, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE CONFIGURATION OF THIS, WHAT IS, HOW ARE YOU GONNA MANAGE THE CONSTRUCTION AND ALL THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS AND, AND ALL OF THAT? WELL, I THINK WHAT JOAN REMEMBERS THE MOST IS THAT WE HAD A TERRIBLE FPL TRANSFORMER SITUATION, WHICH IS ON THE NORTHEASTERN CORNER OF OUR PROPERTY AND FERRY LANE'S LIKE A T AT THE END. SO WE HAD EASY ACCESS AND THAT'S WHERE OUR TRANSFORMER WAS. BUT HERE IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. I THINK THAT WE CAN APPROACH EVERYTHING FROM, UH, ISLAND AVENUE ESPECIALLY. 'CAUSE WE HAVE FERRY LANE ONE AND TWO TO ADD TO OUR CONSTRUCTION CIRCULATION PATH. SO I THINK EVERYTHING WILL FLOW THROUGH THERE. WE DON'T HAVE TO USE FERRY LANE AT ALL. SO THE PLAN IS, THAT'S PART OF THE INITIAL DEMOLITION OR THE, THE TWO. YOU'RE GONNA START THERE AND THEN WORK YOUR WAY DOWN. UM, THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN DO YOU KNOW LIO, LIKE THEY JUST BUILT, UM, THE HABAD BUILDING AT THE FRONT IN THAT SAME AREA. WERE THERE ANY ISSUES, LIKE COMPLAINTS THAT THE CITY HAD RECEIVED OR THAT WAS, I MEAN, IS IT, IS IT HARD? WAS THE CHALLENGES OF KEEPING THAT AREA, I GUESS, AS TRAFFIC FREE AS POSSIBLE, CAN IT BE DONE IN THAT AREA? OR IS THERE ANY, YOU KNOW, LESSONS LEARNED MAYBE FROM THAT THAT CAN BE PASSED ON TO THIS PROJECT? I, I THINK THERE, THERE'RE TWO DIFFERENT TOTALLY OPERAT TOTAL OPERATIONS. YOU KNOW, THE ONE DOES GENERATE TRAFFIC ON CERTAIN DAYS OF THE WEEK. UM, THE, I GUESS, I MEAN, DURING THE CONSTRUCTION, DURING THE CONSTRUCTION, I THINK IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S CONSTRUCTION, SO THERE'S GONNA BE DIFFICULTIES. BUT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE CREATING THIS NEW DRIVEWAY WILL EASE THAT. MM-HMM. . UM, AND I THINK IN THE LONG RUN, UM, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE BACK AND FORTH THAT HAPPENS TODAY WITH THE VALET GOING TO SUNSET TO THE SUNSET HARBOR GARAGE AND THEN BACK. SO EVERY TIME SOMEBODY GOES WITH VALET, I THINK THEY NEED TO SEND TWO VEHICLES TO BRING THE VALET, THE PERSON DRIVING THE CAR BACK. SO IN THE LONG RUN, YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH A LOT LESS TRAFFIC AND A LOT LESS TRAFFIC CIRCULATION ON THIS SITE. UM, I THINK THE CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE OF THOSE TWO DRIVEWAYS, THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MANAGE IT A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT THEY COULD DO. IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THOSE TWO EXTRA SITES, UM, THEY LIKELY WOULD NEED TO USE THAT, THAT T ACCESS IF THEY WEREN'T ADDING THE DRIVEWAYS. UM, SO, BUT IT, IT'S CONSTRUCTION, SO I'M SURE THERE WILL BE. OKAY. YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE TRUCKS AND YEAH. AND THERE'S SORT OF A, A, A RECOURSE OR SOMETHING IF IT DOES GET, IF IT DOES START, I MEAN THAT STREET IS VERY, VERY SMALL THAT IT DOES START TO AFFECT THE RESIDENTS. THEY CAN CALL THE CITY AND MM-HMM. , OKAY. HUH. THEY, UM, AND THEY ARE PROFFERING SOME CONDITIONS ON CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT STAFF IS NOT OPPOSED TO THESE CONDITIONS WE'RE, WE, WE WE'RE OKAY WITH INCLUDING THEM IN THE ORDER. OKAY. UM, REGARDING THE, THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, UM, CLEANING THE AREAS, CLEANING THE VICINITY OUT DURING CONSTRUCTION. SO, OKAY. WE'RE, WE, ARE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY WITH THESE CONDITIONS THAT THE CODE COMPLIANCE WILL MONITOR MM-HMM. IF NEEDED? MM-HMM. . OKAY. UM, SO I WILL SAY, I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT WHEN I FIRST HEARD THAT, UH, IMPROVEMENTS WERE GONNA BE MADE TO THE HOTEL, I WAS VERY NERVOUS. 'CAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BELOVED LOCATION. UM, I'VE SPENT, IT'S MY FAVORITE PLACE TO GO FOR MY BIRTHDAY. BRING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY COME OUT OF TOWN. UM, BUT, AND I WAS, I WAS REALLY PLEASANTLY SURPRISED BY THE DESIGN. IT'S REALLY BEAUTIFUL. UM, AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED WITH THE HEIGHT, BUT I KNOW THAT ON THAT SECTION OF BELL ISLE HAS GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER. AND I THINK THAT THE TRANSPARENCY AND THE UNDULATION THE RHYTHM, UM, YEAH, IT'S VERY BEAUTIFUL. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, THAT, YEAH, THAT WAS MY BIGGEST CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CHARACTER OF THE HOTEL WOULD BE AFFECTED. UM, AND SO I'M, I'M HOPING THAT IT, IT'S NOT. [00:45:01] UM, AND THEN EVEN IN THE LOBBY, TELL US, I KNOW THAT'S PART OF THE SCOPE OF THE WORK, WHAT IS GONNA BE DONE TO RENOVATE THAT? OR IS THAT NOT NECESSARILY WORKED OUT IN DETAIL YET? NOT MUCH. NOT MUCH. WE'RE LOOKING TO KEEP IT AS IT IS. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SARAH. THANK YOU. UM, I WONDER IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I HAD. I THINK, OH, THIS, THE OTHER QUESTION TOO, IF, COULD YOU JUST BRING UP, JUST SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING IN, IN, IN TERMS OF THE PARTS OF THE STRUCTURE THAT ARE DIRECTLY INTERACTING WITH THE RESIDENTS ON FERRY LANE, IT SEEMS WHAT THERE'S A, YOU HAD WRITTEN LIKE A CONCRETE BARISTA SOLE AS ALMOST A FENCE ALONG THE REAR OR ALONG THE, THE, YOU WANT SEE THE RENDERING FROM PRAIRIE LANE PERSPECTIVE? YES. YES. THERE WAS A LOT OF MAYBE GET TO THAT RENDERING IF YOU COULD. LET'S SEE. AND THEN ALSO THE LOADING DOCK TOO. I, I ALSO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS YOU'RE PULLING UP ISLAND AVENUE, IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, IS THIS THE ONE YOU WANTED MADAM CHAIR? OH, SURE. OKAY. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THERE ANYWAY, RIGHT, RIGHT. THAT THEY'RE GONNA SEE. AND, AND THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE GONNA BE NOW HAVING THIS SORT OF NEW FENCE BEHIND THIS NEW CONCRETE FENCE BEHIND 'EM, THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT THEY'RE NOW GETTING. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. NO, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A GOOD PROJECT. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TWO VARIANCES AND WAIVER. DO I NEED TO STATE WHICH ONE'S ROGELIO? UH, NO. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S OFFICIAL. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. ALI, SECOND BY MR. SHELDON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. BY MR. DIFFENDERFER. I SECOND APOLOGIZE. NOT THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE SECONDED. HE WAS FASTER. MY HEARING IS GOING. OKAY. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. I SHOULD ALSO SEE TOO, AT THE, I, I READ PART OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY. MM-HMM. . UM, AND YEAH, THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING THE PARKING. UM, I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW MUCH MORE TRAFFIC THAT HAD. IT'S GONNA BE BIG HILL. YEAH. THAT'S GONNA EVENTUALLY BE REALLY NICE. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU WELCOME. FOR THEM IN SUNSET HARBOR. YEAH. YEAH. EVERYBODY, UM, ANOTHER, DOES ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION ON THE DESIGN THE APPLICATION OR DID WE JUST, DO WE DO THE WAIVER SEPARATELY? THE VARIANCE? YOU ALREADY APPROVED THE VARIANCE IN THE WAIVER. SO NOW WE NEED ONE FOR THE DESIGN. AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO INCLUDE THE CONDITIONS PROFFERED BY THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS PART OF THE MOTION. YES. I'LL MAKE A MOTION EXCEPT, UH, APPROVING THE DESIGN AND THE CONDITIONS PROFFERED BY THE APPLICANTS. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. MOTION BY MR. DINGER FOR A SECOND BY MS. LEWIN. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. GREAT. THANK YOU ALL, ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR THE OUTREACH THAT YOU HAVE DONE WITH THE RESIDENTS. MORE TO DO MORE TO DO MORE TO IT. OKAY. SHOULD WE GO BACK TO THE [5. DRB24-1015, 1801 ALTON ROAD] 1801? YES. YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. UM, THE OTHER VARIANCE IS THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR 1801 HERE READY TO GO? YEP. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THE, YOU WANT ME TO CHECK? YEAH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. GOOD MORNING. ALRIGHT. START. READY TO START? YEP. OKAY. UH, AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ONE STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING, INCLUDING A VARIANCE FROM THE MINIMUM LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT BORDERING A TEMPORARY OR PROVISIONAL SURFACE PARKING LOT, A BUDDING A PROPERTY LINE, STREET, OR SIDEWALK. AND ONE OR MORE WAIVERS REPLACING AN EXISTING TWO STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING. THIS IS FILE NUMBER DRB 24 DASH 10 15, AND IT'S RELATED TO 1801 ALTON ROAD. UM, THIS ITEM CAME BEFORE THE DESIGN REVIEWBOARD LAST MONTH ON SEPTEMBER 3RD. UM, THE DRB DISCUSSED THE ITEM. THEY EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS TO THE APPLICANT. THEY CONTINUED IT TO THE OCTOBER 1ST MEETING, WHICH IS TODAY. UM, SO THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE SUBMITTED SOME REVISED PLANS. UM, THE STAFF HAS LOOKED AT, UH, THE DRB SPECIFICALLY LAST MONTH, UH, HAD SOME CONCERNS REGARDING THAT THE SITE WAS UNDERUTILIZED. THE DESIGN DID NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH PRESENCE ON WHAT IS A MAJOR INTERSECTION. THIS IS ON 18TH STREET AND, AND, UH, SORRY, DADE BOULEVARD AND ALTON [00:50:01] ROAD. UM, STRAIGHT TO THIS ONE, THE PAVED PARKING AREAS PROPOSED WERE EXCESSIVE AND THAT THERE WERE INSUFFICIENT PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION AREAS. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE SUBMITTED REVISED PLANS TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS. UM, THE, SO NOW WITH THE NEW, WITH THE REVISED PLANS, THE SIDEWALKS ON ALTON ROAD AND DADE BOULEVARD NOW HAVE A CONTINUOUS WIDTH OF 10 FEET. UM, SO THIS REDUCES THE SCOPE OF THE PROPOSED WAIVERS. UH, ENTRANCES TO THE STRUCTURE ARE INSET WITH A COVERING, SO THEY HAVE A LITTLE, UH, LITTLE MORE IMPROVED PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, IMPROVED PEDESTRIAN VISIBILITY TO THE ENTRANCES, IMPROVED VISIBILITY FOR PEDESTRIANS TO THE ENTRANCES OF THE BUILDING. UM, THE EXTERIOR, UH, MATERIALS AND FINISHES HAVE BEEN MODIFIED AND NOW INCLUDE EXPOSED, TEXTURED CONCRETE AND ALUMINUM LOUVERS AND A WOOD FINISH. UM, THE HEIGHT HAS BEEN SLIGHTLY INCREASED TO IMPROVE THE PRESENCE AT THE INTERSECTION AND THE NUMBER OF TEMPORARY PARKING SPACES HAS BEEN REDUCED IN ORDER TO DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF OVERALL PA THE OVERALL AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT, UM, AND ALSO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL TREES, PLANTS IN THAT AREA. UM, FRONTING DADE BOULEVARD, UM, STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE PROPOSED MODIFICATION ADDRESS THE BOARD'S CONCERNS, UM, AND IMPROVE THE PRESENCE OF THE BUILDING AT THE INTERSECTION ON DADE BOULEVARD. AND ALTON ROAD. UH, STAFF DOES AGREE THAT THE SITE REMAINS UNDERUTILIZED. HOWEVER, WE, WE DO EXPECT THAT THE APPLICANT WILL COME FORWARD SOON WITH A, WITH A PROJECT TO DEVELOP THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE THAT IS CURRENTLY USED AS PARKING AREAS. UM, SO OVERALL, THE, THE PROPOSED, THE REVISED PLANS ARE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT FROM WHAT, UH, WE SAW LAST MONTH. UM, AND STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION, INCLUDING THE PROPOSED WAIVERS AND VARIANCES, WAIVERS AND VARIANCE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. UM, MICKEY MARRERO TO, SO BISCAYNE BOULEVARD, UH, WITH ME, MY, UH, COLLEAGUE EMILY BALTER, OUR PROJECT ARCHITECT, RENEE GONZALEZ AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, DOMINIC KALO. UM, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL GIVING ME A FEW EXTRA MINUTES. I HAD DONUTS WITH DAD, WITH MY DAUGHTER AT SCHOOL TODAY, AND I WAS ABLE TO MAKE IT AND NOT SCAR HER FOR LIFE. SO WE'RE HERE, UM, THAT WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT THESE APPLICATIONS AND I, AND WE COME THE FIRST TIME, WHETHER IT'S THIS BOARD HPB OR OTHER BOARDS, A LOT OF TIMES WE AND THE TEAM ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT FIRST SUBMITTAL LIST BEFORE YOU, AND THEN WHAT OFTEN HAPPENS AND WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE. AT LEAST FOR ME, WE LOOK AT YOUR COMMENTS AND THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD, WE COME BACK, WE, AND THEN WE GIVE YOU SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. AND I GOTTA TELL YOU, I THINK THE WHOLE TEAM AGREES. WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY IS, IS CERTAINLY A BIG IMPROVEMENT. AND WE'RE VERY, VERY HAPPY THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO WHERE WE ARE. UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA TELL THE WHOLE STORY AGAIN. I'M HAPPY TO IF YOU ALL WANT TO, BUT I KNOW THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTAND YOU WERE HERE LAST TIME. THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION. WE HAVE A TENANT WITH CHASE, AN IMPORTANT TENANT TO OUR, TO OUR CLIENT THAT BECAUSE OF THEIR, UH, LEASE, WE WANT TO KEEP THEM THERE. WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THIS NEW SPACE, BUT ULTIMATELY THE GOAL HERE. YEAH. AND WE AGREE THAT THIS PROJECT, IF THIS WAS ALL THAT WE WERE DOING, IS AN UNDER UTILIZATION OF THE SITE. BUT THE REASON WE'RE DOING IT IS STEP ONE IN A GRANDER PLAN TO SIGNIFICANTLY REALLY DEVELOP THIS SITE. AND, AND WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO STAFF A LITTLE BIT AND THAT'S COMING SOON. BUT BECAUSE OF OUR, YOU KNOW, RELATIONSHIP WITH CHASE, WE DO WANT TO GET THIS PART MOVING. WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THE REVISED VERSION. I WAS GONNA KIND OF GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, PIECEMEAL ALL THESE CHANGES. UH, ROGELIO DID THAT AND I THINK HE DID A GOOD JOB GOING OVER THEM. I DO THINK THAT YOUR COMMENTS WERE, WERE WELL TAKEN AND WE DID EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO ADDRESS THEM IN A WAY THAT WE ALL BELIEVE THIS IS A FANTASTIC, UH, RESPONSE AND SOMETHING WE'RE ALL VERY PROUD OF. UM, WITH THAT, I, I, RENEE IS HERE AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM ON THE DESIGN ON WHERE HE GOT, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD A COUPLE WEEKS TO DO THIS AND THEY WERE ABLE TO, TO DO I THINK A, A AN OUTSTANDING JOB IN THAT SHORT TIME. SO IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RENEE, HE'S HERE ALSO. DOMINIC IS HERE AND DOMINIC IS, IS THE OWNER OF THE LONG TIME OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY. UM, HE LIVES TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE SITE. HE'S BEEN A MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY. HE'S INVOLVED WITH THE ASSOCIATION THERE, AND HE'S INVOLVED WITH HIS BUILDING ASSOCIATION. HE'S SOMEONE THAT'S, UH, BEEN INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME AND HE, HE REALLY VALUES, UH, HIS, HIS HIS INPUT TO THE COMMUNITY. SO HE WANTS TO SEE THIS SITE BECOME THE SPECIAL THING THAT WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE. AND STEP ONE, LIKE I SAID, IS, IS GETTING THIS APPROVAL MOVING SO WE COULD START WORKING ON THE NEXT, THE NEXT PHASE. WE THINK THE THE SIDEWALKS ARE WIDER, WHICH I KNOW IS A CONCERN TO YOU ALL. HAVING THE, THE PEDESTRIAN ELEMENT OF, OF COVERED SPACES, UH, TOWARDS THE ENTRANCE. WE, WE'VE DONE THAT. THERE'S MORE LANDSCAPING, THERE'S LESS PARKING, AND FRANKLY, FORGETTING ALL THE CONDITIONS, IT JUST DAMN LOOKS BETTER. IT LOOKS BETTER, IT LOOKS MORE INTERESTING THAT, THAT THE MATERIALS ARE MORE EXCITING. SO, SO WITH THAT, WE WOULD OF COURSE ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND WE'D LOVE TO GET AN APPROVAL TODAY SO WE CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD. UM, SO WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS? AND WE'RE HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ARE THERE ANY OTHER, ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK? NO. ANYONE ONLINE? NO HANDS RAISED ONLINE. OKAY, GREAT. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC PORTION, OPENING IT UP TO THE BOARD FOR COMMENT. WHO WOULD LIKE TO START ON THEIR REVISED DESIGN? I'LL, I'LL, I'LL BEGIN. UM, THANK YOU. OH, ARE, ARE YOU GONNA SHOW THE PRESENTATION AT ALL OR RUN THROUGH IT QUICKLY? QUICKLY. I THOUGHT IT WAS ACTUALLY UP ALREADY. I APOLOGIZE. I GOT TOO EXCITED. WHY DON'T WE JUST WANNA PUT THAT UP. I WAS REALLY, I THOUGHT WAS IT UP BEFORE? IT WASN'T. OH NO, IT WASN'T UP. THE THAT IS MY FAULT. IF I'M LOOKING AT IT THINKING IT WAS UP, I APOLOGIZE. [00:55:01] BUT THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO START WITH. THIS IS, WELL GO BACK ONE MORE. THAT'S WHAT YOU SAW LAST MONTH. UM, THERE'S NO QUESTION. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT. UH, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT IT WAS A NICE BUILDING. RENEE THOUGHT IT WAS A NICE BUILDING. I THINK WE'RE BOTH VERY PROUD OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY, BUT WE REALLY TOOK TO HEART THE COMMENT THAT IT LOOKED LIKE A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE. AND, YOU KNOW, TALKING WITH DOMINIC AND UNDERSTANDING HE, YOU KNOW, HE'S GONNA SEE THIS EVERY DAY AND MM-HMM, , YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANT THAT TO BE KIND OF HIS, HIS KIND OF INPUT TO THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT WAS A REALLY BIG PUSH AND WE, WE APPRECIATE THAT FROM, FROM THE, YEAH. AND, AND WHILE THE, THE BALANCE OF THE SITE WILL BE REDEVELOPED, THIS, THIS WILL STAY, THIS IS PART OF, THIS IS THE PART THAT'S GOING TO REMAIN THE BUILDING. YOU SEE RENEE GO BACK A COUPLE OF, I MEAN, NOT THE DATE. YEAH, I MEAN, IF YOU WANNA, I KNOW I SKIPPED AHEAD TOO, BUT IF YOU WANNA GO THROUGH IT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO DISCUSS THE CHANGES, PLEASE DO, DO THAT. OKAY. SO, SURE. SO GOING BACK TO THIS PAGE. SO THE CHANGES ARE, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE MAINTAINING THE EXISTING LEASE WITH, WITH THE BANK TENANT. WE KEPT, WE NOW HAVE A CONTINUOUS 10 FOOT SIDEWALK. IT WAS A CHALLENGE TO DO THAT BEFORE YOU ALL THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WE, WE INCLUDED THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING IS NOT DRASTICALLY BIGGER, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIGGER TO CREATE MORE OF A PROMINENCE ON THE SITE. UH, THERE'S NOW ARCHITECTURAL COVERINGS ALLOWING FOR COVER FOR WEATHER AND AN ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT. UM, THERE'S LESS GLAZING, MORE TEXTURED CONCRETE, ALUMINUM LOUVERS, WOOD FINISH, ALL THINGS THAT MAKE THE BUILDING A LITTLE MORE INTERESTING, A LITTLE MORE ATTRACTIVE. AND THERE'S LESS PAVING, LESS TEMPORARY SPACES, MORE LANDSCAPING ON THE OVERALL SITE. THOSE I THINK ARE THE CHANGES. WHY DON'T YOU KINDA GO THROUGH, YEAH. NOW JUST USE THE PERSPECTIVE FROM THE CORNER AND ONE MORE PERSPECTIVE FROM THE SIDE. AND THEN THERE'S A YEAH. AND ALSO ONE THING I DIDN'T MENTION, I THINK IT WAS DISCUSSED, WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO SEE A NIGHT RENDERING? WHAT'S IT GONNA LOOK LIKE AT NIGHT? UM, HOW'S IT GONNA BE LIT? AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ALSO ADDED TO THE PRESENTATION. SO THOSE ARE THE CHANGES. I THINK THE VARIANCES ARE STILL THERE, BUT THEY'RE MINIMIZED BECAUSE WE DO HAVE NOW THE 10 FEET. SO IT'S LESS AREA, UH, IS REQUESTED IN THE VARIANCES. AND THOSE ARE REALLY THE, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD ON, ON HOW YOU GOT TO THIS MODIFIED VERSION? YES. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, REALLY, AGAIN, BACK TO THOSE, UH, THOSE COMMENTS, UH, WHERE THE, UM, THE LANDSCAPE OR THE, THE ASPHALT WAS AN ISSUE AND I BELIEVE, UH, ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WAS REALLY CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THAT. LIKE, COULD WE JUST MAKE IT A TREE BANK? BUT OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT, BUT WE WANTED TO DEFINITELY ADD, LET ME GET TO THAT LANDSCAPE RIGHT THERE. YEAH. IF YOU COULD RUN US THROUGH THE, THE, THE REVISED LANDSCAPE AND, AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE. HAVE YOU REWORKED THE PARKING LOT? SO ON THE REVISED LANDSCAPE HERE, YOU CAN SEE A ALONG DAY BOULEVARD. WE TOOK OUT FIVE SPACES, UH, THAT WERE ON THE, THE SOUTHEAST, UH, AND MADE THAT COMPLETE LANDSCAPE. SO IT ADDS TO THE BUFFERING OF THAT TEMPORARY PARKING. UH, WE ALSO ADDED A MEDIAN, UH, IN THE CENTER OF THE PARKING. SO IT CREATES A ONE-WAY. SORRY, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ZOOM IN ON THAT, BUT NO, UM, IT CREATES A ONE-WAY, UM, TRAFFIC, UH, FOR THAT TEMPORARY SPACES THAT ARE ALONGSIDE CHASE, WHICH JUST ADDS A LITTLE BIT OF, SORRY, MORE ACCESSIBILITY, UM, TO, TO THE SITE WHICH WE WANTED TO KEEP, UH, BECAUSE THAT JUST CAN ALLOW SOME MEMBER, OR, YOU KNOW, SOME PATRONS OF CHASE TO ACTUALLY UTILIZE THAT PARKING AND GO DIRECTLY TO THE BUILDING FOR, FOR THE TEMPORARY TIME BEING. UM, SO WE DID ADD THAT BUFFER AND WE DID ADD THAT SHADE TREE IN THE CENTER MEDIAN TO REALLY JUST KIND OF REDUCE THAT HEAT ISLAND EFFECT TO REDUCE THAT ASPHALT, UH, COVERAGE. SO THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, I KNOW, UH, MS. NELSON, YOU DIDN'T REALLY LIKE THE ROOF, BUT I THINK IN THIS CASE, WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT WAS PAIRED WITH THE TEMPORARY STRUCTURE, UH, IT DIDN'T FIT. BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE SENSE OF, UM, SORRY, UH, IN THE SENSE OF THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH TEXTURED CONCRETE, AND I'VE HAD SOME COMMENTS IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH CONCERNS OVER EXPOSED ARCHITECTURAL CONCRETE. BUT IN THIS CASE, I'VE LEARNED MY LESSONS AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE A SANDBLASTED TEXTURED, HOMOGENOUS LOOKING CONCRETE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULDN'T REALLY REFLECT ANY KIND OF, UM, LET'S SAY CONSTRUCTION ERRORS WITH CONCRETE. SO, UH, I LEARNED THAT LESSON AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BEAUTIFUL, UH, PORTALS AND A BEAUTIFUL TOP. UH, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT MAYBE PUTTING, YOU KNOW, A AN EXTENDED CANOPY, BUT ALL THAT REALLY MADE IT LOOK, IT WAS LIKE A TOP HAT AND IT JUST LOOKED REALLY STRANGE. AND I THOUGHT THESE HAVING A DOUBLE, UH, KIND OF, UH, GLAZING OR DOUBLE, UM, AWNING, UH, REALLY ADDED TO A COUPLE THINGS. NATURAL DAY LIGHTING, UH, HELPED BLOCK A LOT OF IT WITH OUR LOUVRES. AND THEN AT THESE PORTALS, IT COULD HELP REFLECT A LOT OF THAT LIGHTING FROM THAT, UH, MIDDLE AWNING, [01:00:01] UH, AT THE ENTRANCES. IT DOES DEFINITELY, UM, ALLOW FOR, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIANS KIND OF DUCK IN THERE IF IT DOES, YOU KNOW, DOWNPOUR, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER. UH, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS REALLY ADDS AND SOFTENS THE FACADE. IT, IT BRINGS A LOT OF TEXTURE TO THAT CORNER. UH, IT INVITES PEDESTRIANS, UH, TO WALK THERE AND NOT BE AFRAID TO, TO WALK ON THAT, THAT SIDE OF THE STREET. SO, UM, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING AND, AND REALLY TRIED TO, TO PUSH. AND DEFINITELY MR. DIFFENDERFER IS A COMMENT IS LIKE, WHY CAN'T THIS BE 10 FEET, THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SIDEWALKS? UM, WE DEFINITELY JUST SHIFTED THE BUILDING NORTH, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATED, ACCOMMODATED THAT SO THAT WE, ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, CAN, CAN BE PART OF THIS RESILIENCY IN THAT CIRCULATION ZONE. FOR SURE. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. UM, I, OKAY, SO WE DID THIS A LITTLE BIT OUTTA ORDER, BUT I'M GONNA GO AHEAD, AND, AND, AND I JUST A FEW THINGS TO CLARIFY ABOUT THE, UM, SO I'M NOT A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING A LANDSCAPE DESIGN APPROPRIATELY. UM, SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR THESE CHANGES. AND I AGREE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AMAZING WHAT, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT ENVELOPE, HOW IT CAN TRANSFORM. UM, THE, SO, AND I LIKE HOW YOU DID REWORK THIS PARKING LOT AND, AND PUTTING A LARGE TREE IN THE CENTER. LET ME, IT SEEMS NOW ON THE PLAN, AND I'M LOOKING, I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT THE PRESENTATION PAGE 19 MM-HMM. , UM, IT THAT YOU'VE PUT ON THE EDGE OF THE PARKING LOT, THREE PALM TREES CORRECT. WITH SOME UNDERCOVER AND THEN, AND THE LAYER BEYOND THAT, THERE ARE LARGER SHADE TREES, OR ARE THOSE SHRUBS? THERE ARE LARGER SHADE TREES ALONG THE STREET EDGE. OKAY. UM, WE DO HAVE A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AVAILABLE BY ZOOM, BUT, UM, BUT YES, THEY ARE LARGER SHADE TREES, AND WE HAVE A LAYERING OF THE SHRUBBERY IN THE UNDERCOVER. SO AS YOU GET TO THE SIDEWALK, IT LAYERS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LOW, AND THEN IT'S GRADUALLY GOES UP TO LIKE WHERE IT IS AT THE PARKING. AND THAT'S MORE OF THE COVER, MORE OF THE HEDGE, UH, BUT IT IS LAYERED SO THAT YOU CAN REALLY, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCE THE SIDEWALK. SO. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. 'CAUSE THERE ARE, AND I THINK THIS CAME UP LAST TIME, I'M ALWAYS SURPRISED AT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WALKING AROUND THIS CORNER. I GUESS THEY'RE COMING FROM SUNSET HARBOR AND MAYBE GOING TO THE APARTMENTS AND THAT CORNER IN PARTICULAR, IT'S JUST, IT'S SO SUNNY, THERE'S NO SHADE. SO I I, I WOULD KEEP ENCOURAGING YOU TO, I I'M HAPPY THAT YOU PUT SHADE TREES ALONG THE SIDEWALK. RIGHT. UM, AND ALSO THESE ALONG ALTON WILL GROW TO BE BIGGER SHADE TREES AS WELL, AND WE HAVE THAT LAYERING EFFECT TOO. YEAH. I WOULD EVEN ENCOURAGE THIS ONE CORNER, YOU KNOW, A CORNER THERE TO PUT AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE IS REALLY APPRECIATED BY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE WALKING AROUND. UM, YEAH. THERE'S A SURPRISING AMOUNT OF FOOT TRAFFIC, RIGHT. TO ENCOURAGE THAT. UM, I THINK WE, WE REDUCED THE TREES HERE BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO, THEY WOULD BLOCK THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING. OKAY. BUT IF YOU RECALL, ACTUALLY THIS PART OF THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, UM, ON THIS STREET ON ALTON DIDN'T CHANGE. SO IF YOU RECALL THE PREVIOUS RENDERINGS, WHICH I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE HERE, BUT WE HAVE WHAT THEY'RE INTENDED TO BE AND WHAT THEY'RE INTENDED TO BE, UH, PURCHASED AT, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, LARGER CALIPER, UH, TRUNKS AND A TALLER TREE. UH, BUT THESE TREES WOULD DEFINITELY PROVIDE SHADE ALONG THE SIDE, ALONG ALTON, YOU KNOW. OKAY. JUST DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM MICHAEL'S. SO IT'S GONNA HAVE THAT CORRIDOR EFFECT. NICE. THANK YOU. AND THEN I, I DO LIKE THE, UM, I GUESS SORT OF THE EYEBROWS OR THE AWNINGS THAT YOU PUT, DID YOU EXPLORE HAVING THEM COME OUT MORE? I, I DID. AND IT, YOU KNOW, TO COME OUT JUST AT THE ENTRANCES FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, UH, UH, LIKE AN ALSO A TEMPORARY NOD. LIKE NOT SOMETHING THAT FELT DEVELOPED OR FELT LIKE IT WAS INTEGRAL TO THE, TO THE STRUCTURE OR TO THE FACADE. UM, WHEN WE KIND OF DID THE WHOLE EYEBROW AROUND THE BUILDING JUST TO KIND OF GIVE MORE SHADE, UM, IT FELT LIKE, LIKE I SAID, IT LOOKED LIKE A TOP HAT TOO MUCH. YEAH. IT LOOKED REALLY STRANGE. . SO I WISH I COULD HAVE, UH, JUST SHOWN YOU THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT I, I WENT THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS, UH, THREE DIMENSIONALLY TO REALLY LOOK AT WHAT THAT WOULD FEEL LIKE. UM, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, IT WOULD ALSO BE, YOU KNOW, IN PUBLIC WORKS AS PURVIEW. 'CAUSE WE'RE RIGHT THERE ON THE PROPERTY, SO IT IS A REVOCABLE PERMIT AT THAT POINT. UH, I WANTED TO AVOID THAT AND KEEP THE ARCHITECTURE KIND OF, UM, NOT DEPENDENT ON SOMETHING THAT COULD BE REVOKED. SO THAT, THAT WAS A, A PRIMARY CONCERN FOR ME. OKAY. THANKS. YEAH, NO, I, UM, I MEAN, WITH ALL THE SHADE TREES TOO, YOU'VE, YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED THAT. AND IT SEEMS LIKE EVEN WITH THE NEW BUILDING, YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY GONNA BE BUILDING IN THE SWALE, AND PERHAPS THOSE TREES COULD STAY. YEAH. OH YEAH, FOR SURE. YOU KNOW, SO, UM, NO, [01:05:01] EVERYTHING, I THINK THE ONLY, UM, TREES THAT MIGHT BE AFFECTED, UM, IF I GO DOWN TO THE LANDSCAPE, UH, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE THREE PALMS IN THE SHADE TREE IN THE, IN THE CENTER OF THE TEMPORARY PARKING, UH, EVERYTHING ELSE. UM, GENERALLY THE, THE SHRUBS WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BE REPLACED THAT ARE CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE ALONG DADE UH, DADE HAS A VERY STRANGE PROPERTY LINE RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE THE PROPERTY LINE ALMOST GOES TO THE CURB. IT'S A VERY WEIRD JAGGED THAT THE PROPERTY LINE REALLY JUST LIKE, KIND OF RIDES THE CURB. UM, BUT IN THAT CASE, WE'RE, WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THE RESILIENCY CODE AND THE TRANSITION AND THE CIRCULATION. UH, BUT REALLY IT WOULD BE THOSE THREE PALMS. UM, YOU KNOW, AND ANY OF THE KIND OF TREES THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN AND AROUND THE TEMPORARY, IN THE CENTER, IN THE CENTER OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY. UH, AND THEN MAYBE THAT ONE SHADE TREE THAT'S AT THE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT AT THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. MM-HMM. , UH, YOU SEE KIND OF AT THE CORNER OF THE TEMPORARY PARKING LOT, UH, THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE RELOCATED. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THINKING WITHIN THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? MM-HMM. AND WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE STRUCTURE ITSELF AS WELL. GREAT. GREAT. BECAUSE IT IS GONNA BE A, A, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE STRUCTURE WOULD RIGHT AFTER, AFTER A FEW YEARS OF GROWTH AND YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S VERY GOOD TO HEAR. UM, AND THEN YOU, YOU KEPT FLIPPING THROUGH, THERE WAS A ROOF PLAN. OH, SURE. UM, I THINK, LEMME SEE HERE. SO ALL THAT AREA IN THE GREEN, THAT'S ALL THE PLANTER THAT'S GONNA BE HANGING DOWN, OR NOT NECESSARILY. THAT'S ALL THE, THAT'S THE 50% REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE, AND THAT'S ALL OF THE, IT'S GONNA BE ALSO A LAYERED EFFECT, BUT, SO IT WOULD HAVE THE CREEPERS THAT GO ALONG THE EDGE. UM, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IS PUSHING A LOT FOR SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANTIAL ON THE CENTER TO SCREEN ANY OF THE MECHANICAL, UH, THAT WE HAVE. OH, WAIT, SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE, WHAT AM I LOOKING AT HERE? SORRY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE ROOF? YEAH, THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING. YEAH, THAT'S THE ROOF OF OKAY. THE STRUCTURE. YEAH. JUST SHOWING THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT ROOF. THAT IS, THAT IS GREEN. GREEN, YEAH, THAT'S GREEN. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. OKAY. SO THAT WAS THE ROOF PLAN. SORRY. RIGHT. SO, AND IS THERE, I DON'T ACCESS, HOW DO YOU GET UP TO THE ROOF? I WASN'T SEEING INTERNALLY NEAR THE MECHANICAL AREA. WE'D PROBABLY PUT A ROOF HATCH NEAR THE MECHANICAL COMPONENT. AND YOU'LL SEE IF I HAVE, IT'S NOT LIKE A, IT'S NOT AN ACTIVE ROOF, BUT IT IS A BEAUTIFY. THAT'S WHAT, WELL, IT NEEDS ACCESS. NO, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE SORT OF, WE'VE BECOME NEWLY CONCERNED WITH ROOF STRUCTURES THAT AREN'T IN THE THING, THE DESIGNS THAT WE SEE AND THEN SUDDENLY APPEAR. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY I ASK, ASK. BUT WE DO HAVE, OR WE DID HAVE A MECHANICAL SCREEN, SOMEHOW IT DISAPPEARED FROM MY PLAN. UM, BUT IT IS, THERE IS A MECHANICAL SCREEN THAT WE DID DESIGN AND THEN THAT, AND SO THAT COULD BE A CONDITION, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S, UH, A BIG PART OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. UH, AND I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S ALREADY A CONDITION IN TO BE REVIEWED IN THE DRAFT ORDER. I'M PRETTY SURE, BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY IN EVERY SINGLE DRAFT ORDER. RIGHT. UM, BUT WE DID HAVE THAT DESIGNED, AND I THINK PREVIOUSLY IT WAS DESIGNED MORE OF AN OVAL. AND IN THIS CASE WE DESIGNED IT TO BE MORE OF A RECTANGULAR WITH CURVED EDGES, KIND OF LIKE AN IPHONE SHAPE, UH, JUST TO BE MORE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS DESIGN. AND BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE, THE STRUCTURE, DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD SEE THAT FROM THE STREET OR NOT NECESSARILY? IT'S GONNA BE IN THE MIDDLE? NOT NECESSARILY. NO. I MEAN, WE, YOU WOULD SEE MAYBE JUST THE, LIKE THE TOP EDGE LOVE IT OF IT, BUT NOT REALLY. 'CAUSE PART OF, UH, WHAT MICKEY PRESENTED IS THAT WE DID RAISE A CLOSE TO FIVE FEET TO THE STRUCTURE. SO NOW WE'RE ABOUT 25 FEET. SO YOU WOULD DEFINITELY NOT SEE IT FROM ALTON. YEAH. UM, I MEAN, IF YOU WERE MAYBE IN THE GARAGE AT MICHAEL'S, RIGHT. UH, YOU WOULD DEFINITELY SEE IT. UM, BUT YOU WOULDN'T PERCEIVE IT IF YOU WERE ANYWHERE NEAR 20 FEET FROM THE BUILDING OR EVEN 50 FEET FROM THE BUILDING, YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT. 'CAUSE THE, THIS PARAPET ON THE TOP, IT'S, IT'S HIGHER. CORRECT. YEAH. AND I, AND I SEE IF I HAVE THE, I DON'T HAVE THE SECTIONS HERE, BUT IF YOU HAVE THE FULL PRESENTATION IN THE, IN THE REAR, WE HAVE, UH, SECTIONS OF THE BUILDING AND THOSE HAVE, UM, THOSE HAVE THE PARAPET HEIGHT. SO WITHIN THE STRUCTURE WE HAVE FIVE FEET. OH, I SEE. OF PARAPET. AH, OKAY. THAT'S ENOUGH. YEAH. OKAY. NO, IT'S, IT'S PLENTY. SO IF WE HAVE THE ROOF STRUCTURE HERE, WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE FEET GOING VERTICAL FROM THE ROOF STRUCTURE. AND TYPICALLY THEY REQUEST LIKE A FIVE FOOT MECHANICAL SCREEN JUST TO KIND OF COVER YEAH. THOSE, UM, SO IF WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL SCREEN AROUND IT, MAYBE YOU'LL SEE THE TOP EDGE. IF YOU'RE SOMEWHERE IN SUNSET HARBOR WALKING GREAT TO, BUT IF YOU'RE A PEDESTRIAN, YOU'LL NEVER SEE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, NO, AND THANK YOU FOR ADDING THE GREEN ELEMENT ON THE ROOF. SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I FEEL LIKE I'VE, I HAVE A QUESTION. [01:10:01] SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR FIRST OF ALL, THE SIDEWALKS. I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT, AND I KNOW EVERYBODY REALLY WILL. AND IT DOESN'T, IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THE SAME BUILDING. THERE'S SO MANY THINGS I REALLY LIKE ABOUT IT. I LOVE THE CURVE ON THE CORNER, THE SIGN, THE HIGHER CEILINGS IT'S GONNA MAKE. I REMEMBER BEING A KID AND GOING TO THE BANK WHEN IT WAS LIKE A, AN EVENT, LIKE A THING. AND THIS IS WHAT IT REMINDS ME OF. WHY DO YOU NOT HAVE THE ENTRANCE IN THAT CORNER THOUGH? BECAUSE THERE'S A, THAT CORNER BANKED, BY THE WAY, I'M DRIVING BY EVERY, I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE THIS LAST NIGHT. IT'S THIS MORNING. AND I'M LIKE, OH MY GOD, THAT'S NOT A DOOR. AND I'M LIKE, THAT IT LOOKS LIKE AN ENTRANCE. AND IF I'M DRIVING OR WALKING, PARTICULARLY THE, ALL THE PEDESTRIANS, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GRAVITATE TOWARDS. AND IT'S JUST SAD TO, I HOPE THIS DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A POLITICAL SOUNDBITE, BUT IT'S A CLIMATE CHANGE, UM, RESILIENCY. AND THE RESILIENCY CODE THAT WE HAVE, UH, FROM THE ELEVATION THAT WE HAVE AT THE CURRENT CURB LEVEL, IT'S ALMOST THREE OR FOUR FEET TO, TO GET TO THAT LEVEL. SO, UM, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TRY TO IMPLEMENT SOME MONUMENTAL TYPE STAIR OR EVERYTHING. I THINK THAT KIND OF TOOK AWAY FROM THE FUNCTION OF THE BUILDING. IT WOULD MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THINK IT WAS LIKE SO GRAND IT DIDN'T REALLY FIT WITH THE BUILDING, BUT IT'S REALLY THE HEIGHT TO GET TO THE THING. SO WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING IS MODIFYING THE SIDE SIDEWALK ON ALTON TO ACTUALLY RAMP UP TO GET US TO A LEVEL THAT'S WITHIN A, A KIND OF LIKE A, UM, LET'S CALL IT AN ACCEPTABLE STAIR HEIGHT, SO THAT PEOPLE AREN'T LIKE CHUGGING UP 10, 10 STEPS. YEAH. TO GET TO THE, TO GET TO, IT'S SAD TO ME. I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA TANK MY APPROVAL FOR THAT, BUT, UM, I MEAN, I, LISTEN, I LOVE THE TRANSPARENCY OF THAT CORNER BA WITH THE LOUVERS AROUND THE REST OF THE BUILDING, BUT IT, IT TOTALLY LOOKS LIKE THAT'S WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS SUPPOSED TO BE, ESPECIALLY THE SIGN ABOVE IT. AND I WOULD NEED AN EXTRA, I WOULD NEED, NEED AN EXTRA ALMOST 10 FEET TO PUSH THE BUILDING NORTH TO ACCOMMODATE A STAIR. RIGHT. I MEAN, I, THE ARCHITECTS IN THE ROOM, AS Y'ALL WOULD KNOW, MAYBE ONE, MAYBE ONE DAY THEY'LL PUT VERBAL ACCESSIBILITY. YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, I'M ALL FOR IT. BUT IT, IT DOES TAKE A LOT OF AREA, YOU KNOW. I GOT IT. AND IT DOES BEG THE QUESTION, THE ENTRANCE, WHICH IS THE ENTRANCE IS OFF THE PARKING LOT OR IT'S ON ALTON ROAD? IT'S ON ALTON ROAD. THERE'S TWO. WE HAVE A, WE HAVE ANOTHER AADA A, SO, OH, I SEE. WITH THAT RESPECT, OUR A DA RAMP IS CURRENTLY ON THE TEMPORARY SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT. SO THAT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE TEMPORARY SIDE, LET ME SEE IF I CAN PULL UP. SO THERE'S GONNA BE SIGNAGE ABOVE THOSE DOORS ON THE WEST SIDE? YES, YES. OH, WELL, PRIMARILY OVER THE CORNER, BUT YES, UH, THERE WOULD BE SIGNAGE, UH, IF NEEDED ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT ON THE EAST SIDE, FACING THE TEMPORARY LOT, THAT'S WHERE OUR CURRENT A DA RAMP, WHICH IS CLOSE TO 35 FEET LONG, UM, IS LOCATED, PLEASE COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT'S NOT LIKE A LITTLE ENGRAVED SIGN THAT SAYS ENTRANCE THAT WAY. BECAUSE , YOU KNOW, LIKE, NO, I MEAN, AND, AND AGAIN, ON, ON THE EAST SIDE IS WE'RE GONNA INTEGRATE THAT WITH THE, THE NEW STRUCTURE. SO ANY KIND OF HEIGHTS, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO ELIMINATE ANY KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, TECHNICAL LOOKING. A DA RAMPS. YEAH. EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE INTEGRATED TO, UH, THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION DESIGN, FLOOD ELEVATION THAT WE IS REQUIRED FOR THE NEW STRUCTURE. SO ON THE EAST SIDE, THAT'S ONE THING. ON THE, ON THE ALTON SIDE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO KIND OF, UM, SO THIS SHOWS THE ADA A RAMP ON THE SCREEN. IF YOU WANNA PULL THAT UP ON THE EAST SIDE, YOU KNOW THAT. WELL, THERE YOU GO. UM, THAT'S HOW WE GET THERE TEMPORARILY, ADA A WISE ON THIS SIDE. OKAY. UH, WE CAN ENTER, UH, WITH A COUPLE STEPS HERE. UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, JUST THE, THE DISTANCE I'D HAVE TO PUSH EAST THE WHOLE BUILDING JUST TO GET THE HEIGHT. IF I WERE TO LEAVE THE ELEVATION OF ALTON SIDEWALK THE WAY WHERE IT IS. MM-HMM. , UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE, IT'S ALMOST THREE FEET DIFFERENCE. MM. SO IT'S, UH, RESILIENCY. IT'S, IT'S A SHAME. BUT YOU DID A GREAT, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA TAKE AWAY FROM I HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE. IT'S JUST A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING. AND I THINK, UM, YOU LISTENED TO US AND IT, I THINK IT'S SUCH A BETTER PROJECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CHANGES. UM, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN PAGE. SURE. YEAH. OKAY. SO TELL ME WHAT WILL EVENTUALLY HAPPEN AND WHEN, UH, WITH THIS SITE, THIS BUILDING THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING TODAY WILL CONTINUE TO STAY WITH ITS EXISTING HEIGHT AND DESIGN, AND THEN WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE PARKING AND SURROUNDING, [01:15:01] UH, IN THE PARKING AREA, I GUESS. UM, SO I DO WANT TO, WITHIN THE, THE CURRENT PROPOSED STRUCTURE, I DO WANT TO IN INCORPORATE SOME COLUMNS THAT'LL BE WITH, ABLE TO BE ADDED ONTO IF THERE WAS SOMETHING TO COME ABOVE. 'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE THE AIR RIGHTS OF EVERYTHING ABOVE. UH, SO THE IDEA IS THAT IF THAT CAN CREATE ANOTHER, UH, BUBBLE SPACE, ALMOST LIKE AN AMENITY AREA, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER 20 FOOT HIGH GAP, BUT STILL HAVE STRUCTURE, UH, COME ABOVE, UM, THAT'S AN IDEA THERE. BUT THE IDEA IS TO UTILIZE 100% OF THE SITE. SO IF YOU NOTICED IN OUR, YOU KNOW, THE TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO WE HAD A PARKING STRUCTURE THAT, THAT WAS ON THE NORTH, UH, KIND OF SKINNY PORTION OF THE SITE. UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA UTILIZE THAT AS, AS ENTRANCES. AND ALSO ON THE ALTON SIDE, UTILIZE OUR NEGOTIATIONS WITH FDOT, UH, TO REALLY EXPAND THAT, UH, DRIVEWAY, UH, TO A TWO-WAY DRIVEWAY, AND ALLOW A PARKING ENTRANCE THERE, WHICH WOULD, WHICH WOULD BE MORE, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, UH, A DRIVEWAY WITH A VALET. AND SO EVERYTHING THAT WE'D KIND OF PREVIOUSLY DESIGNED, UM, CAN'T REALLY POINT TO IT. BUT IF YOU SEE NORTH OF OUR PROPOSED STRUCTURE, THOSE PARKING SPACES, THOSE A DA SPACES BECOME KIND OF LIKE A VALET ROUNDABOUT INTERNALLY THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN SO MANY OF, UH, OF THESE MIXED USE AND HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS. AND THOSE THAT WOULD PROVIDE ACCESS TO, UH, THE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL SPACES THAT ARE GONNA BE ALONG DATE BOULEVARD. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS ABOVE IS PRIMARILY PARKING, AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE CLIENT AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE HAD MORE COMMERCIAL, UH, FOR OFFICE, UH, WITH CD ONE, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, LIMITED ON, ON HEIGHT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT, UH, WE HAD PROPOSED OFFICE BEFORE AND WE WOULD PROPOSE THAT AGAIN. AND THE, UM, WITH THE AREA BEHIND THE PARKING LOT OR THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE TO, I GUESS THAT'S THE NORTH ON 18TH STREET, THAT'S NOT THAT YOU ENTER THROUGH 19? NO, I, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA BUILD MORE OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE TEMPORARY PARKING LOT IS NOW, WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING THE BIG TRAY, WE'RE THAT'S GONNA BE FILLED IN WITH STRUCTURE. YEAH. ALL THE PARKING NORTH OF OUR PROPOSED STRUCTURE AND THE TEMPORARY PARKING, THAT KIND OF TRAPEZOIDAL SHAPE WOULD BE THE BASE BUILDING. AND, UH, WE WOULD ALSO IMPROVE THE NORTH TO EITHER BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TWO, THREE LEVELS OF PARKING, UH, ON THAT STRIP. ON THAT STRIP. YEAH. I'VE, THAT ENTRANCE IS THROUGH 18TH STREET, AND I'VE DESIGNED THAT BEFORE, SO I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR, YOU KNOW, OVER THREE, FOUR YEARS. I DESIGN THAT. OKAY. SEVERAL TIMES. AND, AND PART OF THE REASON THAT WE'RE SORT OF SPEAKING IN GENERALITIES IS BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THE PRO THE PROPERTY'S ON CD ONE NOW, AND FOR ITS PROMINENT LOCATION, AND EVERYONE KNOWS THIS SITE, CD ONE IS THE LOWEST LEVEL OF COMMERCIAL ZONING, SO IT'S VERY LIMITING. IT'S 1.0 FAR. SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN CHALLENGING TO DO WHAT THE SITE DEMANDS WITH THAT ZONING. CURRENTLY, THE CITY, THE STATE, AND, BUT PRIMARILY THE CITY IS GOING THROUGH A LOT OF LEGISLATIVE CHANGES, UH, INCENTIVIZING WORKFORCE HOUSING, POTENTIALLY MIXED USE PROJECTS. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF STUFF GOING ON THAT IT'S ONGOING. SO IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, THOSE INCENTIVES, THOSE ALL THAT LEGISLATION WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO WHAT'S HAPPENED, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN HERE. BUT WE'RE KIND OF LETTING THAT PROCESS HAPPEN. AND WE'LL BE COMING BACK, I THINK, SOONER THAN, THAN MAY COULD BE WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR. I, I THINK, BUT A LOT, A LOT DEPENDED ON WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS LEGISLATIVELY AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL AND WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE STATE. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS SPECIAL. WE THINK IT CAN BE. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND WAS THERE EVER ANY DISCUSSION, WELL, I GUESS IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY FIT THAT PROGRAM TO JUST SORT OF CREATIVELY REUSE THE BUILDING THAT'S THERE, OR IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK WITH THE AGENDA? WELL, WE HAD, IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD THAT PRIOR APPROVAL. IT'S, IT'S IN THAT, IF YOU WANNA GO BACK TO IT, IT'S, BUT IT, IT JUST ULTIMATELY THE LIMITING, THE LIMITING AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT WE COULD GET THERE AND THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE. YEAH. SO THAT PROJECT, WHILE WE THOUGHT IT WAS WONDERFUL, WAS ABANDONED BECAUSE IT DIDN'T WORK. RIGHT. IT DIDN'T PENCIL OUT. SO NOW WITH THESE INITIAL INCENTIVES, WE BELIEVE SOMETHING WILL BE ABLE TO HAPPEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR FOLLOW UPS? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR? NO, NO, I JUST, THANK YOU. UM, I, I ACTUALLY DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE INITIAL BUILDING, BUT AFTER SEEING THESE COMMENTS, IT'S INFINITELY BETTER. I THINK THAT THE MATERIAL CHOICE, JUST, IT, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING OF COURSE LENDS TO MORE TO BE DEVELOPED, BUT NOW THIS REALLY STANDS ON ITS OWN WITH THE MATERIALS NOW. AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR REALLY SHOWING THE VISION OF WHAT THE LANDSCAPING LOOKS LIKE ON, ON DATE, BECAUSE THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY MAIN CONCERN LAST TIME. BUT, UM, YEAH, IT LOOKS, LOOKS GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, THE ORDER AS AS DRAFTED. I'LL SECOND. AND THAT'S INCLUDING THE, INCLUDING THE VARIANCES AND THE, AND THE WAIVER, CORRECT? YES. MM-HMM, . [01:20:01] OKAY. UM, MOTION BY MS. LEWIN. SECOND BY MS. . ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. CONGRATULATIONS. YOU. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR DAY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I, I'M A MIAMI BEACH RESIDENT FOR 26 YEARS. THIS IS A LEGACY PROPERTY FOR MY TWO BEAUTIFUL DAUGHTERS. THAT 13 AND 15. I'M ON THE BOARD OF THE YACHT CLUB OF SUNSET HARBOR. I'M ON THE BOARD OF THE ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE FOR THE TOWN HOMES OF SUNSET HARBOR. THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD. MM-HMM. . UM, AND AS RENEE SAID, I WALK BY IT ALL THE TIME, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M PROUD OF. AND THAT'S BEAUTIFUL, AND THAT'S ALSO WALKABLE AND, AND, AND PROVIDES CONNECTIVITY. PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. SORRY. SO, SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU AGAIN. UM, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT, UH, BECAUSE I, I, I LIVE TWO BLOCKS AWAY AND, UH, IT'S GONNA BE BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU GUYS. ALL OF THE OWNER, HE'S AND NEIGHBOR AND SUPPORT TOO. YEAH. NO, I THINK THAT WE ALL REALLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALSO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO HAS THAT EXTRA, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY MOTIVATION, BUT JUST SORT OF THE BUY-IN TO HAVE THE LARGER COMMUNITY INTEREST AT HEART. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND IT, IT, IT'S EVIDENT. UM, AND I, I THINK ON ALL OF OUR BEHALF, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT OUR COMMENTS WERE CONSTRUCTIVE. AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT, THAT YOUR TEAM RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE HERE TO IMPROVE AND MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER AS OPPOSED TO BE OPPOSITIONAL. SO, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE UGLIEST PARTS I THINK OF ALTON ROAD AND IT BORDERS ALL OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND IT'S SO NICE TO SEE YOUR PROJECT NOW IS GONNA BE PART OF THE ARCHITECTURAL LEGACY. WE'RE LEAVING WITH THE WHOLE FOODS AND THE OTHER STUFF COMING ALONG. I THINK IT'S REALLY GONNA BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME. YEAH. I KEPT THINKING OF THE WHOLE FOODS AND HOW THAT HAS LOTS OF LANDSCAPING ON THE OUTSIDE, AND THIS IS GONNA BE A NICE ADDITION TO IT. YEAH. AND I JUST WANNA SHARE ONE THING, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, HAVE PLANS FOR A FUTURE SITE, WE HAVE SOME IDEAS. OBVIOUSLY, AS MICKEY SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF LEGISLATION HAPPENING, BUT THE PHASE TWO, IF YOU WILL, IS TO PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY AND WALKABILITY FROM LINCOLN ROAD, FROM SUNSET HARBOR TO THIS AREA, BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF IN ITS OWN LITTLE OASIS LOST RIGHT NOW. SO THAT IS THE PLAN GOING FORWARD. SO, WE'LL, WE'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU, HOPEFULLY WITH SOMETHING THAT'S INCREDIBLE. AND SO I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND I THINK HAVING ALL THE EXTRA TREES WILL HELP THAT, YOU KNOW, I WISH THERE WAS MORE, I WOULD'VE PUT MORE TREES ALONG ALTON, BUT AT LEAST IT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO WALK MORE. UM, YEAH. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU GUYS. SEE YOU, SIR. OKAY. SHOULD WE MOVE ON TO THAT? THERE, IS THERE JUST ONE MORE, UM, ITEM WITH THE VARIANCE? THAT'S CORRECT. YEP. OKAY, GREAT. SO SHOULD I CALL IT, UH, DRB 24 1 0 4 1 900 [9. DRB24-1041, 900 WEST AVENUE.] WEST AVENUE? YES. OKAY. SO THIS IS, UH, AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL FOR MODIFICATIONS TO AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, INCLUDING NEW FINISHES, LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE, INCLUDING A VARIANCE, UH, TO ALLOW FOR SIGNAGE WITH NON INDIVIDUAL CHANNEL LETTERS. UM, JUST FOR BACKGROUND, THIS IS, UM, UH, THE SOUTH GATE TOWERS, UH, ON WEST AVENUE. UM, IT'S AN EXISTING BUILDING. THE BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT, UM, IN, UM, 19, I BELIEVE 19 50 50. DID I HAVE THE DATE? I DIDN'T INCLUDE THE DATE FROM THE FIFTIES. UM, THE, THE, UM, THE BUILDING HAS GONE THROUGH SOME UPDATES OVER TIME. THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME TO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD TO APPROVE, UH, MODIFICATIONS. UH, THERE WAS ONE IN 2010, UH, ANOTHER ONE IN 2013, UH, AND ANOTHER ONE IN 2021, WHERE THE DRB APPROVED VARIOUS UPDATES TO THE, TO THE BUILDING TO MODERNIZE THE BUILDING. UM, THE BUILDING'S IN THE R THREE DISTRICT, UM, IT'S ON A LOT. THAT'S 174,928 SQUARE FEET. UM, HAS A, AN EXISTING FAR OF 147,463 SQUARE FEET, OR AN FAR OF 1.17. UM, IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING, UM, SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE GROUND LEVEL, PRIMARILY, UM, THE MODIFICATIONS ARE INTENDED TO IMPROVE THE SENSE OF ARRIVAL OF, AT THE BUILDING AND ENHANCE THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING. UH, SPECIFICALLY THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES UPDATING THE EXISTING CANOPY STRUCTURE AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE WITH NEW FINISHES, LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE. UH, THE CANOPY WILL BE REC RELIED WITH GLAZED TILE COLUMNS, UM, AND A NOT WOOD METAL CEILING. UH, THE FRONT ENTRY CIRCLE WILL RECEIVE NEW LANDSCAPING AND A REDESIGNED FOUNTAIN. UM, THE STOREFRONT AT THE MAIN LOBBY IS PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED AND REPLACED WITH A NANO WALL SYSTEM, UM, AND ADDITION. AND ALSO THE APPLICANT WILL BE PROPOSING A BUILDING IDENTIFICATION SIGN ABOVE THE CANOPY. UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR THAT SIGN TO ALLOW FOR CURSIVE SCRIPT. UM, THE STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES ENHANCE THE BUILDING FEATURE AND ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE BUILDING'S ARCHITECTURE. UM, AND I'LL DISCUSS THE, THE REASON FOR THE VARIANCE ON THAT SIGNAGE IN A MOMENT. UM, [01:25:01] ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, ON THE POOL ENTRY SIDE, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING GROUND LEVEL FACADE AND REPLACE THAT WITH THE SLIDING GLASS DOOR NANO WALL. UM, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TERRACE WITH STAIRS THAT ENTER THE POOL DECK AND THE POOL WITH NEW LANDSCAPING. AND THERE WOULD BE AN A FIVE FOOT TALL, UM, GLASS POOL FENCE AROUND THE, UH, AROUND THE POOL AREA. UM, THE VARIANCE IS AS A RESULT OF A REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE, UM, THAT REQUIRES THAT SIGNS SHALL CONSIST OF INDIVIDUAL LETTERS TO ALLOW FOR NON INDIVIDUAL CHANNEL LETTERS. THEY'RE PROPOSING A CURSIVE SCRIPT AND CURSIVE SCRIPT LETTERS TOUCH EACH OTHER. UM, SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY A, A, A MI MINOR TECHNICALITY FOR THE REQUEST FOR THE VARIANCE. UM, THE, THE SIGN DOES COMPLY WITH THE INTENT OF THE, OF THE CODE REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS FOR SIGNS NOT TO BE OVERLY CLUTTERED, FOR LETTERS TO BE SEPARATED, FOR SIGNS TO BE WELL DESIGNED. AND, AND, AND STAFF BELIEVES THAT THIS IS A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY AND THE SIGN DOES COMPLY WITH THE INTENT OF THE CODE. UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S IT. UM, ANYTHING ELSE THAT I'M MISSING? I THINK THAT'S IT. SO WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE, UH, DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, UH, APPROVE THE PROJECT, UH, WITH THE CONDITIONS ENUMERATED IN THE DRAFT ORDER AND, UH, AND THE VARIANCE. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND CAN YOU SEE THE PRESENTATION? DO WE, I'M NOT SURE IF WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO SOMETHING TO, YEAH. GREAT. OKAY. WONDERFUL. YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO MOVE THE SLIDES AROUND THERE. WONDERFUL. YEP. THERE WE GO. OKAY, WONDERFUL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE DRB. MY NAME IS BARB ROMMEL. I AM SENIOR DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AND COMMUNITY RELATIONS FOR AIR COMMUNITIES. WE ARE THE OWNER OF 900 WEST AVENUE, WHICH WE CALL SOUTHGATE TOWERS. I'M HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE DAN DORE, AND THEN ALSO OUR ARCHITECT FROM TRIBE ARCHITECTS, BILL MOON. UM, AND I THOUGHT I'D START OFF WITH JUST A BRIEF BACKGROUND ABOUT OUR COMPANY, BECAUSE WE ARE THE NEW OWNERS OF SOUTHGATE TOWERS. WE OWN AND OPERATE APARTMENT COMMUNITIES NATIONWIDE, AND, UM, INCLUDING 12 COMMUNITIES AND ABOUT 5,000 UNITS IN SOUTHEAST FLORIDA IN MIAMI BEACH. IT'S, UM, WE'VE GOT SOUTHGATE AND WE ALSO ARE THE OWNER OF THE FLAMINGO. UM, WE STRIVE TO BE THE BEST OWNER AND OPERATOR OF APARTMENT COMMUNITIES IN THE BUSINESS RESIDENT AND EMPLOYEE SATISFACTION ARE OUR TOP PRIORITIES, AND WE'RE VERY PROUD TO HAVE RECEIVED SEVERAL NATIONAL AND REGIONAL AWARDS, INCLUDING RANKING SECOND IN THE NATION, IN RESIDENT SATISFACTION AMONG OUR PEERS, AND RECEIVING TOP WORKPLACE AWARDS BOTH NATIONALLY AND HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA. UM, WE'RE ALSO BIG BELIEVERS IN BUILDING COMMUNITY. WE HAVE AN, UH, PROGRAM CALLED AIR GIVES WHERE EVERY ONE OF OUR TEAMMATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY GETS 15 PAID HOURS OF LEAVE TO DO VOLUNTEER WORK IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THE PHOTOS ON THE SCREEN HERE ARE OF OUR SOUTHEAST FLORIDA TEAM, UM, DOING A BEACH CLEANUP IN CRANDEN PARK, KI BISCAYNE. SO IF YOU GUYS HEAR OF AN EVENT HERE IN MIAMI BEACH THAT NEEDS A LOT OF VOLUNTEER WORK, LET US KNOW. PLEASE GIVE US A CALL. UM, OUR BUSINESS MODEL IS TO CONTINUALLY INVEST IN OUR COMMUNITIES. AND SO THAT'S WHAT BRINGS US HERE TODAY. WE ARE PROPOSING A MINOR RENOVATION, UM, AT SOUTHGATE TOWERS THAT AFFECTS THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, BOTH AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND AT THE EXIT. UM, SO ON EITHER SIDE OF THE LOBBY, UM, UH, AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE, AND THEN ON THE EXIT TO THE POOL. UM, THESE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS COMPLIMENT INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO THE TO THE LOBBY, WHICH IS A SEPARATE PERMITTED PROJECT. UM, AND THEY'RE BASED ON FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM OUR RESIDENTS, UM, OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS SINCE WE'VE OWNED THE BUILDING. SO IN JANUARY, 2023 IS WHEN WE, UH, BECAME OWNERS OF SOUTHGATE TOWERS. UM, WE SURVEY OUR RESIDENTS REGULARLY. AND SO SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED SO FAR IS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE AN IMPROVED ENTRY EXPERIENCE. UM, THERE'S SOME CONGESTION THAT IS OCCURRING AT THE ENTRANCE BETWEEN RESIDENTS AND PACKAGE DELIVERIES. SO, UM, THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT EXPERIENCE MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE. UM, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR MORE COMMUNITY SPACE IN THE LOBBY ITSELF, UM, WHICH ISN'T PART OF THIS APPLICATION, BUT THAT IS PART OF THE LOBBY IMPROVEMENTS. UM, AND SO IN THIS APPLICATION, AS ROGELIO MENTIONED, UM, YOU'LL SEE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FRONT ENTRANCE CANOPY SIGNAGE, THE FOUNTAIN LANDSCAPING, AND, UM, THE ENTRANCE DOORS THEMSELVES. UM, AND THEN ALSO THE TRANSITION TO, UH, FROM THE LOBBY TO THE POOL IN THE BACK. UM, THIS DESIGN IS MORE SOPHISTICATED AND REFINED THAN WHAT IS THERE TODAY. AND THE INTENT IS TO ENHANCE THE OVERALL EXPERIENCE, UM, OF ENTERING THE BUILDING, BUT ALSO WHILE HONORING THE ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY AND ALSO MIAMI BEACH. UM, WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE RECEIVED SOME REALLY HELPFUL FEEDBACK ON THIS APPLICATION. UM, OVERALL THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN POSITIVE. HOWEVER, [01:30:01] SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY EXPRESSED SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE NEON SIGN THAT WAS PUT IN OUR ORIGINAL APPLICATION. THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT LIGHT GLARE FROM THE NEON. AND SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE PRESENTATION TODAY THAT IS NOT IN THE APPLICATION IS AN ALTERNATE SIGN PROPOSED THAT, UM, MEETS THE SAME INTENT, BUT IS A BACKLIT SIGN INSTEAD OF NEON. AND, AND BILL CAN EXPLAIN THAT MORE. UM, AND YEAH, I'LL HAVE HIM GO THROUGH THE DESIGN AND THEN I'LL COME BACK AND TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH PROCESS. GREAT. THANK YOU, BARB. I'M BILL MOON WITH TRIBE ARCHITECTS. UM, AS BARB SAID, THIS IS A, A FAIRLY MINOR REMODEL ON THE EXTERIOR, UH, STARTING AT THE FRONT ENTRY, JUST A QUICK MAP OF, UH, WHERE SOUTHGATE IS LOCATED. UH, AND THIS IS A MAP SHOWING, UH, THE LIMITED SCOPE OF WORK AT THE FRONT ENTRY, UH, INCLUDING, UH, MINOR LANDSCAPING AT THE ENTRY, SIGNAGE, UH, REWORKING OF THE EXISTING FOUNTAIN IN FRONT OF THE CANOPY, UH, SOME MINOR WORK AT THE CANOPY, WHICH IS REALLY, UH, PART OF THE, UH, INTRODUCTION THAT WE'D HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY OF A, UH, KIND OF A MORE TRANSPARENT, APPROACHABLE, WARMER ENTRANCE. UH, AND THEN THAT LOBBY SPACE RIGHT NOW DOES NOT CONNECT TO THE EXTERIOR POOL SPACE, UM, DIRECTLY, AND THERE WAS A REAL DESIRE THAT IT'S MUCH MORE TRANSPARENT AND DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO THAT BACK POOL DECK. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE AREAS OF SCOPE OF WORK THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ENLARGED HERE, GOING THROUGH SOME DETAILS. UM, REALLY STARTING FROM THE BOTTOM INWARD. WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME MINOR RIGHT NOW AROUND THE ENTRY SIGN. THERE'S ZERO LANDSCAPING, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING SOME MINOR LANDSCAPING THERE TO SOFTEN THAT AREA AROUND THE FRONT ENTRY CANOPY. UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING, UM, UH, FOUNTAIN THAT IS, UH, ALSO HAS A WALL, UH, BETWEEN THE CANOPY AND THE FOUNTAIN THAT WE'D LIKE TO REMOVE. UH, REPURPOSE THOSE COLUMNS, UH, REPURPOSE THE, UM, THE FOUNTAIN WITH, UH, REFRESHED LANDSCAPING RIGHT NOW. THERE'S, UM, SOME BEAUTIFUL, UH, PALM TREES THAT HAVE ALSO HAVE SOME OVERGROWN SHRUBS. WE'D LIKE TO REMAIN, KEEP THE PALM TREES, BUT REFRESH THAT LANDSCAPING WITH MORE APPROPRIATE LANDSCAPING OF SCALE SO THAT IT'S MUCH MORE TRANSPARENT TOWARDS THE FRONT ENTRY DOOR. UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CANOPY ITSELF. UH, THE SIGNAGE HERE, I'LL SHOW YOU IN A MOMENT. UH, BUT AT THE CANOPY ITSELF, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, RUNNING THROUGH. YOU CAN SEE TO THE LEFT WHAT'S EXISTING TODAY WE'RE KEEPING THE EXACT SAME GEOMETRY AND ARCHITECTURE. WE'RE SIMPLY REMOVING A PORTION OF THE WALL UP FRONT THAT'S, UH, HALF HEIGHT WALL AT THE COLUMNS. AND THEN, UH, INTRODUCING, UH, A KNOT WOOD MATERIAL, UH, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE CANOPY ITSELF. THAT'S MUCH MORE WARMER AND ILLUMINATED, SO IT'S A MUCH MORE ENTRY OR A TRANSPARENT WELCOMING ENTRY. UH, REMOVING THE EXISTING STOREFRONT, WHICH IS A PAIR OF KIND OF SLIDING DOORS. AND AS BARB SAID IT RIGHT NOW, INTERFACES WITH EVERYBODY COMING TO THE BUILDING. WHETHER YOU'RE A RESIDENT, A VISITOR, THE AMAZON DELIVERY PERSON, OR ANYBODY ELSE, YOU COME IN AND OUT THAT FRONT DOOR CONTRIBUTING THE CONGESTION. UH, BY HAVING A NEW NANO WALL SYSTEM WITH A PAIR OF DOORS NEXT TO IT, IT ENABLES US TO, UH, ON, UH, APPROPRIATE, UH, WEATHER DAYS, BE ABLE TO OPEN THE ENTIRE LOBBY OPEN. UM, WE ALSO ARE HAVING THE DELIVERY TRUCKS, UH, HAVE DESIGNATED PARKING OVER TOWARDS, UH, THE LEFT. THERE'S A SEPARATE ENTRY THAT GOES DIRECTLY INTO A PACKAGE DELIVERY ROOM, SO IT KIND OF SEPARATES THAT SERVICE FROM THE RESIDENCE. AND THAT WAS A VERY BIG DEAL THAT WE'D HEARD DIRECTLY FROM THE RESIDENTS TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. UH, AND THEN AS WE GET, UH, INTO THE POOL AREA, TO THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING STOREFRONT. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WE'RE NOT MODIFYING THE ENTIRE FACADE. THIS IS A VERY SMALL AREA, THE EXISTING STOREFRONT, WE'RE SIMPLY REPLACING THAT WITH NANO WALL, THE EXACT SAME PROPORTION AND GEOMETRY OF THE STOREFRONT WILL BE REPEATED IN THE NANO WALL. IT SIMPLY WILL BE, IT GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN UP THAT, UH, THAT LOBBY DIRECTLY TO THE POOL AREA. UM, AND YOU CAN SEE TO THE LEFT, UH, THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE, SOME OF THAT, THE SHRUBBERY STARTED TO BECOME OVERGROWN, AND WE WANT TO JUST BASICALLY, UH, TIGHTEN UP AND, UH, REALLY BRING BACK THE ORIGINAL LANDSCAPE INTENT. UM, THAT WAS THERE. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE BEGINNINGS OF THE NEW SIGNAGE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE SCRIPT. UH, THAT WAS, UH, KEEPING IN WITH SOME LOCAL TRADITION. UH, ORIGINALLY IT WAS PROPOSED TO BE NEON, BUT AGAIN, HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T DESIRE. WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, JUST, UH, LED ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTERS THAT WILL BE COMPLIANT WITH THE CITY ORDINANCES IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF ILLUMINATION. SO THIS IS WHAT WE, UM, ARE PROPOSING NOW FOR THE SIGNAGE IN, IN LIEU OF THE NEON, UH, KEEPING THE SAME DESIGN INTENT, BUT HAVING THE BACK CHANNEL ILLUMINATION MUCH MORE FRIENDLIER. THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE ORIGINAL ONE. THIS WAS WHAT WAS SUBMITTED ORIGINALLY AS NEON. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, FOR THE SIGNAGE FOR THE BACK, UH, BACK ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTER. AND YEAH, SO JUST A LITTLE BIT, UM, MORE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT [01:35:01] PROCESS. SO WE DID SEND, UM, OUT, WELL WITH THE CITY'S HELP, UH, 949 NOTIFICATIONS TO EVERYBODY WITHIN 375 FEET OF SOUTHGATE TOWERS. ALL, ALL PROPERTY OWNERS. WE REACHED OUT TO THE WAV A BOARD AND ALSO MET WITH THEM AND, UH, WALKED THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION AND GOT SOME WONDERFUL FEEDBACK FROM THEM. UM, WE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGNAGE WAS POSTED ON THE SITE. UM, WE ALSO MET WITH SOME RESIDENTS AND SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL TENANTS. UM, AND, UH, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR PACKET THAT THERE'S, UH, LETTERS OF SUPPORT. ONE FROM, UH, THE OWNER OF THE PO MOOSE RESTAURANT, WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF OUR BUILDING. UM, AND THEN TWO FROM, UM, RESIDENTS OF SOUTHGATE WHO ARE ALSO, UM, UH, EMPLOYEES OF OURS WHO, ONE IS THE COMMUNITY MANAGER AND ONE IS THE SERVICE MANAGER. UM, AND THEN AS MENTIONED, THERE WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, OVER, I THINK WE'VE RECEIVED, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT WORD BUT NUMBER, BUT IT WAS OVER 1200, UH, SURVEYS OVER THE PAST, UM, YOU KNOW, 20 MONTHS OR SO SINCE WE'VE OWNED THE BUILDING. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADDRESSING MANY OF THE COMMON REQUESTS THAT, UM, COME IN THOSE SURVEYS. SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY. WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK? ANYONE ONLINE? WE HAVE ONE HAND RAISED ONLINE. IT'S A PHONE NUMBER. IT'S +1 410-279-9575. CAN YOU, YOU'RE ON, YOU'RE ON MUTE. CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF? OH, NOT ON ZOOM. OH, YEAH, I DID. UH, IT'S A CLICK HAND. NO, I DID NOT. UM, INDIVIDUAL NOT RAISE HAND IF THEY'RE USING IT. NO, THE STAR NINE IS JUST IF YOU'RE BY, IF YOU'RE BY PHONE. YEAH. ALRIGHT. UM, OKAY. THEY'RE DISCONNECTED. UH, MICHAEL GROSS. YEAH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. HI, MICHAEL. HI. UM, OH, I, I APPRECIATE, HI, JUST A MINUTE. UM, I, I I JUST NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN REALLY QUICKLY BEFORE YOU START. PLEASE. UH, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU WILL BE GIVING IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MICHAEL, YOU MAY PROCEED. YES, JUST A OPINION FROM THE, UH, THE PUBLIC. UM, I THINK THE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, LOOK VERY NICE. I JUST WOULD ENCOURAGE THE BOARD TO, TO THE EXTENT THEY POSSIBLE TIE ANY APPROVALS TO, UH, THE PROPERTY OPENING UP THEIR BAY WALK, WHICH I THINK THE COMMUNITY REALLY DESERVES ACCESS TO. IT'S APPARENTLY READY TO GO, AND IT'S NOT CLEAR WHY WE'RE NOT ABLE TO USE THAT. SO, UM, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, DANIELLA MAGAZINE. HELLO? HELLO? HI. HI, DANIELLA. CAN YOU HEAR US? YEAH. OH, YEAH. I JUST, I JUST NEED TO, UH, SWEAR YOU IN REALLY QUICKLY BEFORE YOU PROCEED. UH, DO YOU SWEAR AND OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU WILL BE GIVING IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, I SWEAR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. PLEASE PROCEED. OKAY. MY NAME IS, I LIVE IN SIX 50 WEST AVENUE WITH MY FAMILY, INCLUDING MY 7-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER PATRICK. THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN WORKING ON EXPANDING ACTIONS TO THE BAY FOR YEARS, AND ONE OF THE BEST THINGS FOR THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE IF THE PROPERTY OWNER AGREED TO OPEN THE BAY TO THE PUBLIC BEHIND THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO DANIELLA, SORRY IT WAS A LITTLE BIT GARBLED. YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE JUST ENCOURAGING THE APPLICANT TO OPEN UP THE BAY WALK FOR COMMUNITY USE, IS THAT CORRECT? SHE'S OKAY. SHE'S ON CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF TO THAT? YOU, YOU RECEIVED A QUESTION, DANIELA? OH, YES. UH, YEAH. UH, THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING I WOULD LOVE THAT. I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE SEAN, PATRICK BRYANT, BELL ISLE. UH, GOOD MORNING. HI. GOOD MORNING, SEAN. I JUST NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN REALLY QUICKLY BEFORE YOU PROCEED, PLEASE. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU WILL BE GIVING IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, OR NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU [01:40:01] MAY PROCEED. I JUST WANNA MAKE A, A SIMILAR, UH, COMMENT REGARDING THE BAY WALK. YOU KNOW, THIS GOES WAY, WAY BACK. UM, AND WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT OPENING THAT BAY WALK, WHICH IS COMPLETE. IT WAS TIED TO A IMPROPER DRB, UM, ROUTE, UM, FINDING LIKE MANY YEARS AGO WHERE THEY, THE DRB AGREED TO PAY $190,000 FOR A FENCE. I WAS AT THE COMMISSION MEETING YEARS AGO WHERE WE WERE SAYING THAT THE BAY WALK'S READY TO BE OPEN, OPEN IT UP. UM, ANYWAY, UH, PREVIOUSLY THE CITY WOULD ALWAYS WORK WITH, UM, THESE PROPERTIES. AND WHEN THEY CAME BEFORE THE CITY REQUESTING VARIANCES, THAT'S REALLY IN, IN MY OPINION, THE POWER WHERE THE CITY HAS TO NEGOTIATE OPENING THESE BAY WALKS. SO, UM, THEY'RE HERE BEFORE US. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE A VERY GOOD PROJECT, UH, BUT THE BAY WALK IS READY TO OPEN. IT'S GOT A, A LOCK ON IT. UH, THEY WANT A VARIANCE. I REALLY DO THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO USE THEIR NEGOTIATING SKILLS TO, TO ASK THESE DEVELOPERS AS PART OF GETTING SOMETHING FROM THE CITY TO IMPROVE THEIR PROPERTY. THE PUBLIC SHOULD GET SOMETHING BACK, AND THAT SHOULD BE OPENING THE BAY WALK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENT. ANY, WAS THAT IT? ANYBODY ELSE? UH, OWNER, UH, ONE MORE. JONATHAN LUNA. NO. HELLO, JONATHAN, CAN YOU HEAR US? YES. GOOD MORNING. HI. GOOD MORNING. I JUST NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN REALLY QUICKLY. UH, YEP. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'LL BE GIVING IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU MAY PROCEED. YES. GOOD MORNING. UH, SO MY, HEY, MY NAME IS JONATHAN LUNA. I'M A RESIDENT OF SOUTHGATE. UH, I PROVIDED CONSTRUCTIVE, UH, FEEDBACK TO THE ARCHITECT, TO THE, THE PLAN AND, UH, TO THE, TO THE BUILDING MANAGEMENT. AND, UM, I SUPPORT THE RENOVATION PLANS AND AS LONG AS I, LIKE I SAID, PROVIDED THE INTERNAL UPGRADES THAT I'VE SUGGESTED ARE ADDRESSED. UM, AND I JUST HEARING THE STUFF ABOUT THE BAY WALK, UM, UH, AGAIN, I KNOW THIS IS NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION, HOWEVER, I DO OPPOSE OPENING THE NORTH BAY WALK BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MUCH OF A HIGH PRESENCE OF HOMELESSNESS IN THAT AREA. UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE RESIDENTS WOULD LOVE TO WALK, UM, ALONG THE BAY WALK. BUT YEAH, THAT'S ABOUT IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JONATHAN. AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. OKAY, EXCELLENT. I'M NOW GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION AND OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD FOR COMMENTS. DID YOU WANNA BEGIN? YEAH, SURE. UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND CONGRATULATIONS ON GETTING SOUTHGATE. THANK YOU. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, UM, PART OF OUR CITY AND OUR HISTORY. AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR PROGRAM. AIR GIVES, I'M SURE THE CITY, WHEN THEY LEARN MORE ABOUT IT, THEY WILL DEFINITELY TAKE YOU UP ON YOUR VOLUNTEER PROGRAM. UM, I GUESS ALL OF US WANNA KNOW ABOUT THE BAY WALK, BUT, UM, BEFORE YOU GO INTO THE SITUATION WITH THE BAY WALK OPENING, CAN YOU TELL ME THIS, UH, PROPOSED SIGNAGE WITH THE LIGHTING BEHIND IT, IS THE ONE, UH, CLOSEST TO, UM, WEST AVENUE? YES, CORRECT. IT'LL, IT'LL BE LOCATED ON THE FRONT OF THE, OF THE CANOPY. CORRECT. OKAY. YES. OKAY. AND I THINK THAT SEPARATING, UM, THE DELIVERIES, UM, FROM THE GUEST AND, UM, RESIDENT ENTRANCES MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE, UM, ESPECIALLY FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT AND CONGESTION. UM, TELL US ABOUT THE BAY WALK AND WHAT THE SITUATION IS THERE. YES, THANK YOU. UM, AND I'M GLAD THIS CAME UP. WE'RE WE'RE JUST AS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THE BAY WALK AS, UM, I THINK ALL MIAMI BEACH RESIDENTS ARE ON THE, ON THE BAY SIDE ANYWAY. UM, SO THE CONDITION THAT WE, UM, RECEIVED WHEN WE PURCHASED THE BUILDING WAS THAT THE BAY WALK IS ALREADY CONSTRUCTED AT, AT THE PROPERTY. UM, IT WAS CONSTRUCTED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER, AND I THINK ONE OF THE, UM, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS, UM, OR COMMENTERS MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A FORMER DRB ORDER THAT HAD SOME CONDITIONS IN IT FOR WHEN THE BAY WALK WOULD OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC. UM, AND SO THAT ORDER WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND IT, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS FULLY MEMORIZED, BUT BASICALLY IT'S WHEN THE ADJACENT, UM, BAY WALK SEGMENTS OPENED UP, THEN OUR SEGMENT WOULD OPEN UP AS WELL. UM, SO MY AND I HAVE BEEN IN, UH, CLOSE TOUCH WITH THE CITY ON THIS. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE SEGMENT TO THE NORTH IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA GO TOUR THAT TODAY WITH THE CITY AND WITH [01:45:01] THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE NORTH OF US. UM, AND SO BASICALLY WE, WE ARE IN FULL SUPPORT OF OPENING UP THE BAY WALK TO THE, UM, TO THE PUBLIC. WE ARE, UM, OUR EXPECTATION THOUGH IS THAT THE DRB ORDER, THE, THE PROVISIONS IN THAT ORDER WILL BE MET. AND, UM, AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT'S MOVING FORWARD. AND SO THEN, UM, ALL THOSE SEGMENTS WILL OPEN UP AT THE SAME TIME. AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE ENTRANCE FROM THE SOUTH? THE ENTRANCE, THE, THE BAY WALK SEGMENT? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ONE IS, UM, MORE DELAYED AND IT MAY HAVE TO DO WITH, IS THERE A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED? I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THE SCOPE OF THE BAY WALK TO THE SOUTH. I JUST KNOW THAT THE SEGMENT TO THE NORTH IS MOVING FASTER THAN THE SEGMENT TO THE SOUTH. BUT I'LL GET AN UPDATE TODAY FROM THE CITY. I, I LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK, SO, THANK YOU. YOU . SO NOW I'M, I'M KIND OF INTERESTED IN THE BAY WALK NOW TOO. THE RESIDENTS HAVE BROUGHT IT UP. UM, I LIVE TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF YOU. OKAY. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THE OVER OVER WALK TO THE SOUTH WILL, YOU KNOW, IMPACT THAT. UM, THE BUILDING I LIVE IN, IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. IT'S OPEN. OKAY. UM, SO I GUESS THE, THE STOPPAGE WOULD BE THE BUILDING IN BETWEEN. UM, BUT I GUESS SO IS THERE HESITATION TO OPEN IT EVEN WHEN THE, THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH IS OPEN? YOU WANNA WAIT FOR EITHER SIDE TO BE OPEN? YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO REVISIT IT. I TOMORROW, OR THIS AFTERNOON'S GONNA BE THE FIRST TIME THAT, UM, WE'RE GETTING A TOUR OF THE CONSTRUCTION TO THE NORTH. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL TAKE THIS FEEDBACK BACK TO OUR LEADERSHIP. I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM AROUND IT. AND SO, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK TO THE CITY AND SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE. UM, ALSO I'D LIKE TO GET AN UPDATE ON, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE THINK IT WILL OPEN TO THE SOUTH AND BE CONSTRUCTED TO THE SOUTH, UM, AS OUR RESIDENT MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT OPENING IT AND HAVING A, A, UM, SEGMENT OF TRAIL THAT GOES NOWHERE BECAUSE THERE COULD BE A NEFARIOUS ACTIVITY THAT HAPPENS. UM, AND WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, PRESERVE EVERYBODY'S COMFORT AND SAFETY. UM, SO WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF IT, IF WHEN IT DOES OPEN THAT IT'S ACTUALLY CONNECTING TO, UM, TO OTHER PARTS OF THE TRAIL. WHERE DOES THIS BAY WALK ORIGINALLY BEGIN AND END? THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. I KNOW. SO WE'RE THE OWNERS OF THE FLAMINGO AND IT IS OPEN UP ON THAT NORTH SECTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE BOUNDARIES ARE THOUGH, HOW FAR IT GOES. I DON'T, IT'S NOT VERY LONG 'CAUSE I'VE WALKED IT AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A QUARTER OF A MILE THAT'S OPEN IN THE NORTH PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN IN THE SOUTH IT'S SORT OF SEGMENTS HERE AND THERE THAT AREN'T QUITE CONNECTED TO EACH OTHER YET. BUT AT THIS, AT THIS TIME, THE PROPERTY TO YOUR SOUTH AND THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR SOME AMOUNT OF RENOVATION THAT KEEP ANYONE FROM GOING THROUGH THE BACK OF THOSE PROP TO THE BAY WALK OF THOSE PROPERTIES. SO NO ONE CAN ACTUALLY USE THE SOUTH GATE BAY WALK EVEN THOUGH THAT'S COMPLETED BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO ENTER THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING THROUGH WEST AVENUE TO GET TO YOUR BAY WALK. UM, I, THERE ARE, I THINK, PUBLIC EASEMENTS ON THE STREETS TO THE NORTH OR, OR SOUTH. MM-HMM. SO I THINK THEY, THE PUBLIC ACTUALLY DOES HAVE ACCESS BACK THERE. OKAY. CURRENTLY. AND THEY, IF IF THE, IF OUR SEGMENT OF THE BAY WALK WASN'T LOCKED, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET BACK THERE. OKAY. UM, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES. YEAH. WE HAVE, WE HAVE DAVID GOMEZ HERE FROM CIP. IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THE BAY WALK OR THE STATUS OF THE BAY WALK. YEAH. I MEAN, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF BAY WALK? YEAH. . I THINK THAT SEEMS TO BE THE QUESTION. THANK YOU, . GOOD MORNING. DAVID GOMEZ, INTERIM DIRECTOR FOR CIP. UH, QUICK STATUS ON THE BAY WALK. THERE ARE CURRENTLY FOUR SEGMENTS THAT ARE PENDING CONSTRUCTION THAT THE CITY IS MANAGING. UH, ONE OF THEM IS PART OF THE WEST AVENUE PROJECT AND WE'LL PROCEED IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS. SHOULD BE COMPLETE. UH, THE PROJECT IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF THIS ONE, UH, IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION UNDER A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND SHOULD BE COMPLETED BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. UH, THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH IS ONE OF THE SEGMENTS THAT THE CITY IS COMPLETING A FEASIBILITY STUDY. AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THAT PROPERTY TO IRON OUT FINAL AGREEMENTS ON, ON HOW THAT LAYOUT WORKS. UM, BETWEEN DESIGN PERMITTING AND CONSTRUCTION, IT'LL BE ABOUT TWO YEARS BEFORE THAT SEGMENT IS OPEN. UH, THE PED BRIDGE IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH SHOULD BE BEGINNING CONSTRUCTION IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS, UM, AND SHOULD BE DONE BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR. UH, THE BRIDGE ITSELF DOESN'T IMPACT THE USE OF THE BAY WALKS. AND THEN IS THERE, UM, I GUESS IN ORDINANCE OR JUST A PROCEDURE THAT WHEN A BUILDING IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THE BAY WALK BEHIND IT IS CLOSED? IT DEPENDS ON THE ACTIVITY. UM, IF THERE'S CERTAIN ACTIVITY THAT WILL IMPACT THE USE OF THE BAY WALK AND FOR SAFETY REASONS THEY HAVE TO CLOSE IT, THEN I IMAGINE THAT TO BE THE CASE. UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE SEGMENTS THAT ARE NON-EXISTENT [01:50:01] AT THE MOMENT. THERE ARE PIECES THAT, THAT JUST GET INTERRUPTED. UH, SO WE'RE HOPING THAT IN THE NEXT 24 TO 36 MONTHS, THE ENTIRE BAY WALK SYSTEM WILL BE COMPLETE. RIGHT. AND SO DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE SOUTH GATE TOWERS OPEN? MIGHT MAKE THEIR BAY WALK ACCESSIBLE? ALTHOUGH IT'S JUST FOR A SMALL PORTION OR? I THINK THE ADVANTAGE TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS THAT THERE IS PUBLIC ACCESS ON THROUGH 10TH STREET, WHICH WILL CONNECT TO THE SEGMENT TO THE NORTH. UH, AND THERE IS PUBLIC ACCESS OR, OR INGRESS AND EGRESS ON THE SOUTH SIDE. SO IT IS A, A SEGMENT THAT COULD BE OPEN RIGHT NOW. YEAH. OKAY. EXCEPT THAT WOULD NOT GO, UM, WOULD NOT BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE DRB ORDER THAT BOTH PROPERTIES ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH WOULD HAVE TO BE OPENED. I BELIEVE THAT IN ORDER, I'M, I'M SORRY. NO, GO AHEAD. I BELIEVE THE DRB ORDER WAS SPECIFIC TO THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH. UM, AND THAT ONE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE LONGER BEFORE IT'S DONE. OKAY. SO THEN WHAT WOULD BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION? THE, THE ADMINISTRATION IS LOOKING TO OPEN AS MUCH OF THE BAY WALK AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT SOUTH GATES SHOULD OPEN UP THEIR GATES, ALTHOUGH IT'S JUST A SMALL PORTION. CORRECT. MAKE IT AVAILABLE 'CAUSE IT IS A PUBLIC AMENITY. CORRECT. OKAY. BUT AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE OF THE DRB ORDER FROM APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS AGO, THE BAY WALK BEHIND SOUTH GATE CANNOT OPEN UNTIL THE SOUTH PORTION IS OPEN AND THE NORTH PORTION IS OPEN PER THE DRB ORDER. THAT'S CORRECT. PER THE DRB ORDER. AND WE DON'T, UH, WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT ORDER. UM, OR CAN WE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M SURE THAT THERE WERE REASONS WHY THE DRB ORDER WAS, UH, SPECIFIED THAT MANNER PROBABLY WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM ADMINISTRATION JUST FOR THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS THAT WOULD BE BEHIND, UM, THOSE FACILITIES. NOW THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S A GOOD CASE IN THAT BEHIND SOUTH GATE THAT THE, THE BAY WALK HAS ACCESS THROUGH THOSE, UM, EASEMENTS ON THE SIDE NORTH AND SOUTH OF, OF, UH, SOUTH GATE. IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S, YES, THERE'S PUBLIC ACCESS. I, I DON'T KNOW, ARE THEY EASEMENTS? I'M NOT SURE. I BELIEVE THEY'RE STREET ENDS. STREET ENDS. STREET ENDS, YES. THAT ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. SO IT'D BE A WALK OF JUST THE AREA BEHIND, UM, SOUTHGATE, WHICH IS REALLY A WALK TO, TO NOWHERE, BUT, UM, BUT IT'S STILL, BUT IT IS PUBLIC PROP, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WATER FROM PROPERTY THAT PEOPLE COULD GO AND SIT THERE AND ENJOY THE VIEW THAT SHOULD BE OPEN. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I, I MEAN I WAS ON THE DRB TWO YEARS AGO AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IS THE BUILDING THAT IS TO THE SOUTH? THAT'S SOUTH BAY CLUB. SOUTH THE SOUTH BAY CLUB. MM-HMM. . AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO BAY WALK THERE AT ALL. CURRENTLY. THAT'S THE ISSUE. IT ENDS EFFECTIVELY BEHIND SOUTHGATE YEAH. IS WHERE THE BAY WALK ENDS. AND THE SAME THING WITH THE NORTH SOUTH AND ENDS. RIGHT. IT'S ONLY BUILT RIGHT BEHIND SOUTHGATE RIGHT NOW. SO, SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BAY WALK BE ON THE NORTH END EITHER. IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, IT'S . SO I GUESS IT'S A, A LEGAL QUESTION IF WE, UM, DECIDE THAT WE WANT TO REQUEST THAT THE BAY WALK BEHIND SOUTHGATE BE OPENED. WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A PREVIOUS DRB ORDER IF IT CAN'T EVEN BE CHANGED? I DON'T KNOW. UH, NO, UNFORTUNATELY. WELL, YEAH, THE DRB CANNOT, U CANNOT UNILATERALLY MODIFY CONDITION OF A PREVIOUS ORDER. UM, IF THE MAJORITY OF THE DRB WANTS TO INCORPORATE A CONDITION, UM, THE APPLICANT MUST VOLUNTARILY CONSENT TO IT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. SO, SO I I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I'M SORRY. WE CAN, I'M SORRY. WE CANNOT SAY, SAY THAT AGAIN FOR MY PUR MY PURPOSES. I, I MISSED OUT. WE CAN PASS AN ORDER IF TO CHANGE THE PREVIOUS ORDER. NO, NO, YOU DID NOT. NO, NO. SO BASICALLY IT NEEDS TO BE CLOSED UNTIL THE DRB ORDER OF KEEPING OF OPENING THE SOUTH AND THE NORTH IS AVAILABLE TO BE OPENED. YES. YES. UM, AS, AS YOU MENTIONED BEFORE, UM, THERE WAS AN ORDER FROM THE DRB, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS FROM 2012, THAT SET FORTH THE CONDITIONS OF THE BAY WALK. AND ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WAS THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT OBLIGATED TO OPEN THE BAY WALK TO THE PUBLIC UNTIL THE CONNECTIONS TO THE SOUTH BAY CLUB IS COMPLETED. UM, WHICH MEANS THAT THE SOUTH BAY CLUB MUST BE FULLY COMPLETED. UM, AND YEAH, SO IF THE MAJORITY OF THE, SO IF THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD WANTS TO INCORPORATE SUCH A CONDITION, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS TO VOLUNTARILY ACQUI TO THAT, OTHERWISE YOU CANNOT FORCE IT UPON THEM THROUGH, THROUGH AN ORDER. AND SO TO CLARIFY, THAT WAS FROM 12 YEARS AGO, NOT TWO YEARS AGO. CORRECT. SO IN THE 12 YEARS THE BAY WALK THERE HASN'T BEEN BUILT AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT OPEN. CORRECT. SO I KIND OF SEE A COMPROMISE HERE. I UNDERSTAND. [01:55:01] UM, IT'S FRUSTRATING BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONTIGUOUS YET AND IT'S REALLY FRUSTRATING. I LIVE ON BELL AISLE WHERE 31 VENETIAN WAY WAS FORCED TO OPEN A BAY WALK THAT'S NOT CONTIGUOUS TO ANYTHING. SO IT'S BASICALLY A DEAD END, BUT IT'S USED, I UNDERSTAND THE HOMELESS SITUATION AND IT'S A LITTLE SKETCHIER OFF WEST AVENUE. UM, BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, I, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO MAKE IT TO, UH, PASS THIS VARIANCE IF YOU WERE WILLING TO OPEN THE BAY WALK WHEN THE PROPERTY OF THE NORTH OPENS SO THAT AT LEAST YOU HAVE TWO PROPERTIES AND NOT JUST ONE DEAD END PROPERTY. THAT WILL BE THEIR WHOLE RESPONSIBILITY. SO THAT WOULD BE MY 'CAUSE I WAS READY TO SAY NO WAY FOR A VARIANCE, EVEN THOUGH I LIKE YOUR PROJECT, BUT AT THIS POINT, I WOULD SAY WITHIN 30 DAYS OR SOMETHING OF THE NORTH SIDE OPENING, MAKE THIS HAVE TO OPEN AT LEAST THAT BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE TWO CONTIGUOUS NEXT TO EACH OTHER AND IT'S MORE, IT'S NOT SUCH A BIG PROBLEM AS JUST, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE NORTH SIDE IS OPENING IN 30 DAYS. MY NO, NO, NO. I SAID WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE NORTH SIDE BEING OPEN THAT THEY NEED TO OPEN. YES. WHEN IS THE NORTH SIDE SUPPOSED TO OPEN? THEY SHOULD BE COMPLETE WITH CONSTRUCTION BY THE END OF THE YEAR. YEAH. SO WE'RE TALKING A FEW MONTHS HERE. AND I THINK THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S WHEN I'D START PUSHING IS SAYING IF SOMEBODY ELSE IS OPENING, THEY CAN'T JUST KEEP IT GATED UP AT THIS POINT. I WOULDN'T. OH, NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. UM, SPEAKING ON, AS A RESIDENT OF SOMEBODY THAT LIVES IN A BUILDING THAT'S ONLY GOT TWO SEGMENTS OF THE BAY WALK CONNECTED, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S USED, UM, WE USE IT A LOT AND IT'S A SMALLER FOOTPRINT THAN EVEN WHAT I THINK SOUTHGATE IS CURRENTLY. SO THAT PLUS THE NORTH PLUS THE DEAD ROAD GIVE WOULD GIVE, I THINK A, A GREAT PUBLIC BENEFIT. . IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO HERE TODAY? YEAH. THAT I WAS GONNA ASK IS, YEAH. I'M SORRY. SO WHAT, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? YOU'RE, ARE YOU'RE ASKING EXACTLY LORI, MY, MY QUESTION WAS, IT SEEMED LIKE THE PRIOR ORDER MAYBE WAS THEY'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO OPEN. IT WASN'T A, THEY CAN'T OPEN IT. IS THAT, I THINK THERE'S LIKE A DISTINGUISHING, UH, NO. WELL, UH, NO, THE CITY, UM, WELL, THE DRB, LIKE, YOU CANNOT, YOU, YOU CANNOT FORCE THEM TO OPEN THE BAY WALK. OKAY. YEAH. WE CANNOT, SO WE CAN'T, WE CAN DENY A VARIANCE. RIGHT. SO THAT'S, IT'S A QUID PRO. IT'S A, IT'S A SECURE AND IT'S FIT. I PERSONALLY, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS PROPER TO DO EITHER. NO, IT'S NOT PROPER. NO. , I MEAN, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HOLD SOMEONE HOSTAGE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BY NOT APPROVING THEIR VARIANCE BECAUSE YOU WANT THE BAY WALK OPENED. I, I GUESS WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO OPEN THE BAY WALK ONCE THE NORTH PROPERTY IS COMPLETED IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS? UM, WITH ACCESS FOR ANYBODY THAT IS NOT A RESIDENT FROM THAT STREET END? UM, I, I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THAT BACK TO OUR LEADERSHIP. I DO THINK THAT WE WOULD BE WILLING, I JUST WANNA MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS. THERE WAS ANOTHER PROVISION IN THE DRB ORDER REGARDING A COST SHARE, UM, THAT THE CITY WOULD, UM, SHARE IN THE COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION. UM, AND IT, IT WAS SOMETHING IN THE RANGE OF $200,000. UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT HAS NOT BEEN MET. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, WE, I'M SORRY, WAS THAT CONSTRUCTION OF THE BAY WALK BEHIND SOUTH GATE? YES. YES. AND THE CITY HAS NOT PAID UP THEIR PORTION OF THE 200,000. OKAY. CORRECT. UM, AND THE OTHER PIECE IS, UM, WE'VE NOT NEGOTIATED AN EASEMENT YET WITH THE CITY. AND, UM, I DID REQUEST AN EASEMENT. I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ONE, BUT, SO I, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO THOSE OTHER CONDITIONS BEING MET AND A NEGOTIATION OF EASEMENT, UM, I, I THINK THAT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO, TO CONSIDER THAT. I, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION TOO, 'CAUSE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH BAY BLOCK. SO THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH AND THEN NORTH OF THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH, DOES THE BAY WALK STILL CONTINUE OR NO, IT'S STILL SEPARATE. DIDN'T GET MONAD TERRACE NORTH OF, SO IT DOESN'T, NORTH OF THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH IS BAYVIEW TERRACE. AND THE CITY'S NEGOTIATING WITH THEM NOW. WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM NOW TO IRON OUT THE AGREEMENT THERE. THERE'S TWO PROPERTIES NORTH THAT ARE, THERE'S NOTHING, DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. YEAH. I SEE. SO THIS IS WHY IT'S TAKING SO LONG, EVERYBODY. RIGHT. AS OPPOSED TO THE BEACH WALK, WHICH WAS THERE AND IT WAS CITY PROPERTY. OKAY. BUT, UH, IF WE CAN OPEN UP BEHIND SOUTHGATE AND IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO THE PROPERTY OF THE NORTH, TO THE NORTH, IT DOES PROVIDE SOMEWHAT OF A, OF A BEACH WALK, WHICH IS EVEN BIGGER THAN THE ONE BEHIND YOUR PROPERTY THAT IS RIGHTFULLY USEFUL, USEFUL AND USED. IT JUST, YEAH. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IF THE CONSTRUCTION'S DONE, AND WE CAN, AND WE CAN GET THERE ON THE, THE EASEMENTS, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO NOT, TO NOT HAVE THAT BENEFIT THE PUBLIC, BUT IF IT, SO YOU'RE NOT INVOLVED WITH THE EASEMENT APPROVAL. WHO, WHAT DEPARTMENT IS, HAS THE EASEMENT, UH, APPROVAL THAT YOU'VE APPLIED FOR? DO YOU KNOW? I THINK [02:00:01] WE WOULD JUST NEED, UH, WE JUST NEED TO SEE THE TEMPLATE THAT, OF THE EASEMENT THAT THE CITY IS USING FOR THE BAY WALK. OKAY. AND THEN JUST TO BEGIN THAT CONVERSATION, UM, I IMAGINE IT'S PROBABLY PRETTY STANDARD ACROSS ALL THESE, THESE SEGMENTS. FARIA, IS THAT LEGAL THAT HAS THAT EASEMENT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS CAN GET A COPY OF THE EASEMENT? YES, WE CAN. YEAH. IT IS LEGAL, YES. AND, AND I THINK THE CITY CAN COME FORWARD WITH THEIR REQUIREMENT OF THE CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THE BAY WALK OF THE 200,000. AND POSSIBLY ALL OF THAT CAN BE DONE WITHIN THE TWO MONTHS OR END OF THE YEAR WHEN THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH WILL OPEN. SO CAN WE APPROVE THIS PROJECT? UM, ROGELIO, I, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR BOTH ROGELIO AND, AND LEGAL. UM, IF, CAN WE APPROVE THIS WAIVER, UM, WITH THE REQUEST THAT THIS BAY WALK BE OPENED, UM, WHEN THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS OPENED, UM, WITH THE, WITH IT AND WITH THEIR CONSENT AND REVIEW OF THE EASEMENT FROM THE CITY AND THE CITY MAKING THE 200,000 CONTRIBUTION? UM, AS LONG AS IT IS CONDITIONED ON, UH, VOLUNTARY CONSENT OF THE APPLICANT, I BELIEVE IT, IT WOULD BE PER, IT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE. OKAY. SO HOW DO I WORD THIS IF I, SO THE REST OF THE BOARD HAVE TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION, THOUGH WE DIDN'T SPEAK ABOUT SOME OTHER THINGS THAT I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT. YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS TOO. UM, SO WHO WAS OPPOSED TO THE NEON? WAS IT, WE HEARD COMMENTS FROM BOTH THE WNA BOARD MEMBERS AND, UM, AND ONE RESIDENT IN PARTICULAR. IT, IT WASN'T A VERY STRONG OPPOSITION. YEAH. 'CAUSE THAT'S A SHAME. THE SI I WAS IN THE SIGN BUSINESS. MM-HMM. A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. AND, UM, THAT'S NOT NEAR, THAT'S NOT FACING ANYTHING RESIDENTIAL. IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE SHOPS AT WEST AVENUE. UH, THE SIGN'S BEAUTIFUL. BY THE WAY, I THINK I LOVE THE, I LOVE THE, UH, THE NOD TO THE MID-CENTURY AND THE SIGN'S BEAUTIFUL AND NEON WOULD BE AMAZING. BUT THAT'S MY ONE QUE MY OTHER QUESTION WAS THE, THE WALL IN THE BACK. I LOVE DOORS LIKE THAT. THEY WON'T LET US DO IT IN CONDOS. UM, ARE YOU GUY, DO YOU KNOW THAT CODE WILL ALLOW THAT WITH HURRICANE STUFF TO ALLOW A WALL TO DO THAT? YES. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE STRUCTURAL COMPONENT THAT WE HAVE TO MEET, UM, AS WELL AS THE EGRESS, WHICH WE ARE COMPLYING WITH. AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S NOT A, A, A VERY LONG COMPONENT. OKAY. BUT THEY WILL ALLOW IT. 'CAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT IN A RESIDENTIAL CONDO AS LONG AS WE CONDO. YEAH. AS LONG AS WE MEET THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WIND LOAD. OKAY. AND IF THEY SAY THAT IT DOESN'T, 'CAUSE THEY SOMETIMES CHANGE THEIR MINDS WHEN YOU'RE FAR INTO IT. YEAH. I MEAN, WHAT WOULD YOU DO INSTEAD? I'M JUST CURIOUS. WE, WE WOULD PROBABLY, UH, WE STILL WANT TO HAVE THAT TRANSPARENCY. YEAH. AND, YOU KNOW, THE CONNECTION TO THE POOL, WE PROBABLY WOULD LOOK AT A NUMBER OF PAIR OF DOORS THEN. OKAY. OKAY. THAT WAS MY TWO THINGS. I, I WISH THE NEON THING, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S OPPOSED TO IT, BUT THE NEON THING WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL AND NOT SIGN. UM, AND IT'S KIND OF A SHAME TO NOT HAVE IT. BUT THE SIGN, THE DESIGN OF THE SIGN'S REALLY NICE. THANK YOU. ONE OTHER QUESTION ON THE SIGN. I AGREE I LIKE THE, THE ANA AS WELL, BUT, UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE STILL GOING WITH THE BLUE LIGHT? OKAY. YES. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WITH THE EXAMPLE WITH THE BACKLIT. YEAH. THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL COLOR. YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. YES. OKAY. WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I DON'T, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT ARGUMENT ABOUT THE LIGHT POLLUTION CONSIDERING IT'S FACING FORWARD AND THERE'S NOBODY THERE. SO I TOO WOULD PREFER IT TO BE NEON. AND, AND I'M HAPPY FOR US TO BE A BAD GUY. , THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO TURTLES THERE THAT YEAH. I DON'T , YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT BURNING, I MEAN, TURTLE POPULATION, WHAT WE SUBMITTED IN YOUR PACKAGE IS THE NEON. OKAY. AND TODAY IT'S NOT IN YOUR PACKAGE BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY INPUT WE WERE PROPOSING TO MAINTAIN THE SIGNAGE. WE AGREE WE NEED THE SIGN OUT FRONT. AND, UH, BUT HOW TO ACCOMMODATE THAT WITH SOME OF THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK WAS THIS INDIVIDUAL CHANNEL, THAT LED SYSTEM. I WE'RE HERE TODAY ASKING FOR THE NEON. SO THAT WOULD BE THE INITIAL REQUEST. I ALSO THINK TOO, THAT THE NEON IS MORE PERIOD APPROPRIATE TO WHAT YOU'RE GOING FOR. YEAH, FOR SURE. FOR SURE. AND IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A BETTER ARCHITECTURAL GESTURE FOR SURE. UM, AND I, I LIKE, I LIKE THE RENOVATIONS. YOU DIDN'T REALLY MENTION IT TOO MUCH, BUT I DO REALLY LIKE THE COLORFUL SORT OF MURAL OR BACKDROP OR SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE SHOWING, UM, RIGHT AT THE DROP OFF. UM, YEAH, NO, I'M, I'M, AND THAT, THAT'LL BE ON THE INTERIOR. IT'S WHY WE DIDN'T MENTION IT TODAY. YEAH, NO, I, I MEAN, BUT IT'S, IT'S, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY GONNA HAPPEN. AND THEN I SEE THAT YOU LINE THE UNDERSIDE OF THE PORK CHE. IS THAT WITH A WOOD OR IT'S TED OR IT'S, IT'S NOT WOOD. IT'S AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, SALT WEATHER, CLIMATE AND EVERYTHING. BUT THE IDEA THERE, IT'S, IT'S MUCH MORE WARM AND, AND A WELCOMING, SO, CORRECT. YEAH. NO, I THINK IT'S, I ALSO WANNA SAY TOO THAT I APPRECIATE THAT [02:05:01] YOU'VE MAINTAINED THE HISTORIC CHARACTER, THAT I LOVE SEEING BUILDINGS AND GESTURES LIKE THIS AND, AND IT'S SO, IT'S SO MUCH MORE COMMON FOR US TO SEE THINGS RIPPED DOWN AND REDONE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I KNOW THAT, THAT RESIDENTS APPRECIATE THAT TOO. AND NOT JUST YOUR RESIDENTS, BUT YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR RENOVATING AND UPDATING RATHER THAN RIPPING OUT. YEAH. MAYBE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH. I WALK BY THIS BUILDING EVERY DAY AND I'M, I MEAN, JUST THE LITTLE TOUCHES YOU GUYS HAVE DONE SINCE YOU PURCHASED IT WITH THE LANDSCAPING SO FAR HAVE BEEN REALLY NICE. AND I, I ECHO THAT IT'S, I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING AS WELL. I'M SORRY. UM, THE, I KNOW THE SHRUBS ARE OVERGROWN AND IT'S TIRED AND STUFF, BUT I THINK THAT THE BORDER BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE PARKING, 'CAUSE IT'S BASICALLY JUST A PARKING LOT OUT THERE. SO IS IT GONNA BE, HOW HIGH ARE THE PROPOSED SHRUBS GONNA BE? ARE THEY GONNA BLOCK THE CARS? AT LEAST? AT LEAST? YEAH. I MEAN THERE, THERE'S EXISTING SHRUBS IN THAT AREA TODAY. WHAT ARE THEY THAT, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA PUT THERE? WELL, WE'LL MAINTAIN THE BULK OF WHAT'S THERE. THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF AREAS, ESPECIALLY AROUND KIND OF THE MAIN ENTRY DRIVERS AREAS. WE JUST WANNA ADD MORE, SPRUCE IT UP A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA RIP OUT ALL THAT. OKAY. I JUST, THAT WAS MY BIGGEST POINT, THAT THE INTENT IS JUST TO NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING LOT FULLY VISIBLE FROM THE SIDEWALK. YEAH. WE, WE LIKE THE, THE, THE GREEN SCREEN, IF YOU WILL, FROM THE STREET. WE WANNA MAINTAIN THAT. YES. YEAH. THE LANDSCAPING CHANGES ARE ALL HAPPENING IN THE AREA OF THE FOUNTAIN. OKAY. YEAH. SO IT, IT'S BACK, BACK FROM THE ROAD IN THAT, IN THAT SMALL LITTLE ENTRY SIGN AREA THAT'S JUST GOT A BUNCH OF ROCKS GETTING RID OF THAT WALL, THAT HALF WALL OF THE FOUNTAIN AND THAT WALL MOVING THAT. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S NICE. YEAH. UM, I THINK ALSO SO TOO, MAYBE THIS WAS WHAT THE CRITICISM FROM THE NEON WAS IN THE VERY FIRST PAGE OF YOUR PRESENTATION, THERE'S A GLOW AND I THINK THAT WAS MORE FOR OUR PURPOSES TO SEE WHAT WE WERE GETTING AS OPPOSED TO THE REALITY. I KNOW THAT NEON DOESN'T REALLY SPREAD LIKE THAT. SO MAYBE THAT WAS THE GENERATION OF THE CONCERN. I THINK YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT. YEAH. AND, AND WE NOTICE WITH THAT RENDERING, YOU'RE NOT SEEING THE OTHER LIGHT THAT'S IN THE YEAH. IN THE AREA DARK, LIKE THE UPLIGHTS ON THE LANDSCAPING. SO IT'S, IT PROBABLY WON'T BE AS GLOWY AS IT LOOKS TO BE IN THAT RENDERING. YEAH, FOR SURE. THERE'S LOT OF LIGHTS IN THE PARKING LOT, SO, RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S A LOT OF GLOW. IT'S SO, UM, THERE, SO I ALSO THINK TOO, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE, UM, DID, DID WE FIGURE OUT WORDING FOR THE, THE BAY WALK? I ALSO THINK TOO, THAT EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF BAY WALK ACCESSIBILITY IS BETTER THAN NONE. I CAN TRY. I THINK I HAVE IT. YEAH. OKAY. I HAVE SOME MORE, UH, UH OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO CONTRIBUTE OR WE SHOULD START WITH THAT. START WITH THE, UM, ARE YOU ASKING ME ABOUT THE ORDER? YEAH. HOW, WHAT? YEAH, WELL, UM, SO, SO IF THE APPLICANT ACQUIESCES, UH, TO THIS, UM, YOU MAY MAKE A MOTION THAT, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS VOLUNTARILY PROFFERED TO NEGOTIATE THE TERMS OF THE BAY WALK AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY TO ATTEMPT TO SECURE AN EARLIER OPENING DATE FOR THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE BAY WALK. THAT'S WHAT AN ORDER COULD SAY. OKAY. SO CAN, CAN IT BE CONNECTED TO, WELL, I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE OPENING, OPENING BUILDING TO THE NORTH. I MEAN, I, I WANNA GET A DATE CERTAIN OR, OR SOME SORT OF, I WOULD, I HAVE, LISTEN, I HAVE AN OPTION. IF YOU'LL I WAS GONNA SAY IF THEY VOLUNTARILY AGREE IN AN OPEN FORUM THAT THEY WOULD OPEN THE BAY WALK WHEN THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OPENS THEIR BAY WALK AND THE CITY COMES UP WITH THE $200,000. RIGHT. AND THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE, UH, EASEMENT, EASEMENT AGREEMENT. UM, THAT'S, THAT I WOULD, I WOULD APPROVE THE VARIANCES BASED ON YOUR VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT TO DO THAT WITH THOSE CONDITIONS BEING MET. MM-HMM. ON OUR END, ON THE OTHER SIDE. I, I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE ARE, I DON'T THINK THERE ARE OTHER TERMS IN THE FORMER DRB ORDER, BUT IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO REFERENCE THAT AND, AND JUST SWITCH THE PROPERTY TO THE, FROM THE SOUTH TO THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE BIG CHANGE HERE IS THAT THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT IS WE WOULD OPEN IT WHEN THE PROPERTY, THE BAY WALK ON THE PROPERTY THE SOUTH OPENED. I KNOW. I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS. AND NOW WE'RE SAYING IT WOULD BE BECAUSE THE NORTH SEGMENT IS HAPPENING FASTER, WE WOULD OPEN IT THEN. WELL, AND IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT HAS CHANGED IN 12 YEARS AND YES. YEAH. MAY. YEAH. LISTEN, THERE'S A FRUSTRATION. CLEARLY THE PREVIOUS OWNER, THERE WAS FRUSTRATION WITH THE CITY NOT OPENING IT. AND THERE'S FRUSTRATION NOW. AND, AND, BUT I HEAR YOUR SIDE TOO, BUT I, THE PEOPLE THAT CALLED IN, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT THIS UP AGAIN. SO I THINK WE JUST WANT THE BAY LOCKS OPEN AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF THERE'S A, A ONE NEXT TO YOU OPEN THAT, THAT'S THE IMPETUS TO DO IT. DAVID, HOW, HOW REALISTIC IS THE OPENING OF THE NORTH PROPERTY BY THE END OF THE YEAR? THEY ARE ON SCHEDULE TO BE DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. SO THEY CAN, IT'S UNDERWAY NOW. THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING ON IT AS WE [02:10:01] SPEAK. AND THEY ARE, THEY ARE ON SCHEDULE TO BE DONE AND THEY ALSO HAVE TO GET THE EASEMENT AGREEMENT. I BELIEVE ALL OF OUR AGREEMENTS ARE IN PLACE WITH THAT PROPERTY ALREADY DONE. YEAH. OKAY. SO THERE IS NO HICCUP ONCE THEY FINISH CONSTRUCTION END OF THE YEAR FOR THEM TO NOT OPEN THEIR BAY WALK BY THE END OF THE YEAR OR COME JANUARY, LET'S SAY? CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT, AND THEN I SHOULD SAY TOO, DOES THERE NEED TO BE A MEMBER, SOMEBODY FROM THE COMMUNITY WHO WOULD MOVE THIS ALONG OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT WOULD HANDLE TO ENSURE THAT THAT THINGS ARE OPEN AND, AND THEY, WE ARE MANAGING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THAT SEGMENT. IT'S FROM 10 12TH 10TH STREET TO 12TH STREET. UM, SO WE'RE KIND OF OVERSEEING THAT AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. OKAY. UM, WE'RE ALSO MANAGING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH WITH THE DESIGN AND PERMITTING. OKAY. SO IF THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE CONCERNED NEEDED AN UPDATE, IT WOULD BE YOUR DEPARTMENT THAT THEY HAD CALL, THEY CAN REACH OUT TO MY DEPARTMENT. AND WHAT WAS THAT DEPARTMENT AGAIN? CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, OKAY. OR TO ME DIRECTLY. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. SO, UH, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, UM, A MOTION, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE, UM, VARIANCE FOR THE, UM, NOT THE LED, BUT THE, UM, NEON SIGN CURSIVE WAS THE THING, YOU KNOW, NOBODY READS CUR, YOU KNOW, THE KIDS DON'T READ OR WRITE CURSIVE ANYMORE, SO YOU MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR TENANTS. I WRITE CURSIVE AND I AGREE WITH CURSIVE. SO, UH, APPROVE THE, THE VARIANCE FOR THE NEON SIGN, UM, AND TO, UH, INCLUDE WITH THE CONSENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE APPROVAL TO OPEN THE BAY WALK WHEN THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OPENS, WHICH IS ESTIMATED TO OPEN END OF THE YEAR. AND WHEN THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE THE, UH, APPROVE THE EASEMENT AGREEMENT FROM THE CITY AND RECEIVE FROM THE CITY THE CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THE BAY WALK CONSTRUCTION OF 200,000 AND ANY OTHER, JUST IN CASE ANY OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE IN THAT DRB ORDER FROM 2012 CONCERNING THE BAY WALK OPENING. I'LL SECOND THAT. IS THAT OKAY? FARHA ? UH, YES. I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD ADVISE AGAINST, UM, INCORPORATING A SPECIFIC MONETARY AMOUNT BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS UP TO THE CITY COMMISSION TO APPROPRIATE THE FUNDING. UM, AND IT MAY, WASN'T THE 200,000 PART OF THE, IT ALSO MAY CHANGE, UM, DEPENDING ON, I THOUGHT THE 200,000 WAS PART OF THE 2012 DRB ORDER. UH, YEAH, BUT THAT WAS IN 2012. UM, THE, THE COST MAY CHANGE, BUT IT, IT, IT'S, IT, IT'S MORE, IT'S MORE LIKE A PRECAUTION. I THINK IT JUST HAVE THE GENERAL REIMBURSEMENT OF THE COST OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER THAT WAS TO, YOU KNOW. OKAY. YEAH. WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE COST SHARING THAT WILL END UP. I AGREE ON THE SERIES. YEAH. . OKAY. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A SECOND, I'LL SECOND THAT IF YOU DON'T MIND. IF, IF, IF YOU WOULD ALLOW ME TO READ THIS REAL QUICK JUST TO MAKE SURE, UM, OUTTA CONDITION, UM, WITH THE CONSENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO OPEN THE BAY WALK WHEN THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OPENS AND WHEN THE COST SHARING AGREEMENT IS MADE AND WHEN EASEMENTS ARE ISSUED, AS WELL AS ANY OTHER REQUIREMENTS IN PRIOR ORDERS ARE, ARE COMPLIED WITH. CORRECT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. ALI. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? YES, I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY MS. LEWIN. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THEN WE NEED A SEPARATE, UH, MOTION FOR THE DESIGN. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS PART OF THIS MOTION. OH, OKAY. OKAY. UH, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE DESIGN, UM, WITH THE NEON, IF YOU AS A RESIDENT AS WELL. SECOND, DID YOU, DID YOU WANNA INCLUDE A CONDITION SPECIFIC TO THE NEON, UM, THAT WAS BEING DESCRIBED OR? I THINK WE'RE ALL FINE AS A BOARD WITH THE NEON. UM, SO IF THAT'S WHAT YOU PREFER, IF YOU TAKE THE NEON AWAY, IT'S VERY, IT HAS A VERY, VERY DIFFERENT CHARACTER. SO MAYBE IT SHOULD BE, ESPECIALLY IF THAT'S THE APPLICANT'S PREFERENCE. I THINK WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THE NEON. YES. OKAY. UH, MOTION BY MS. L. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY MR. DIFFENDERFER. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. [02:15:03] YES. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO SHOULD WE GO BACK NOW THAT WE'VE DONE ALL THE VARIANCES YES. TO, I GUESS, DID WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE [2. DRB24-1040, 1500 BAY ROAD.] REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE? YES. WE NEVER, WE DID NOT, UH, VOTE ON THAT EARLIER. OKAY. UM, SO THIS WAS FOR DRB 24, 10 40 1500 BAY ROAD. ACTUALLY, IT'S THE SAME, THE SAME APPLICANT. UM, THEY'RE JUST REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO THE NOVEMBER 5TH, 2024 MEETING. UM, THIS IS REGARDING THE FLAMINGO. OH, BLESS YOU. OKAY. UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. IS THAT GOOD? UM, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION , UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND CONTINUANCE. OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE THE CON TO CONTINUANCE. OKAY. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALRIGHT. MOTION PASSES. SO THAT ITEM WILL BE HEARD ON NOVEMBER 5TH. OKAY. BLESS YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THEN SHOULD WE MOVE ON TO, UH, [3. DRB23-0978, 630 ALTON ROAD.] DRB 23 0 9 78 6 30 ALTON ROAD? YES. OKAY. SO THIS IS AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING MODIFICATIONS TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A, OF TWO ONE STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, INCLUDING ONE OR MORE WAIVERS TO REQUEST TO REPLACE THE EXISTING SALES CENTER ON THE SITE. UM, THIS, UM, SIX 30 ALTON ROAD, ALSO KNOWN AS 600 ALTON ROAD. UH, FOR BACKGROUND, BACK IN, UH, 2018, THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVED SOME AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, CREATING THE ALTON ROAD GATEWAY AREA REDEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FOR THE CD TWO DISTRICT, UM, THAT AUTHORIZED THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, OF THE TOWER, UH, ON THE ADJACENT, UH, IT'S TECHNICALLY PART OF THE SAME LOT, BUT SOUTH OF SIXTH STREET, UM, AUTHORIZED THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, OF THE PARK, UM, OF THE THREE ACRE PARK AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE COMMERCIAL PARCEL THAT THAT'S BEFORE US TODAY, UM, ON MAY, 2019, UH, AND SUBSEQUENTLY ON JUNE, 2019, THE DRB REVIEWED AND APPROVED, UH, THE PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED RETAIL STRUCTURE, UM, AT THE CORNER OF SIXTH STREET AT FORMER SIXTH STREET RIGHT OF WAY IN ALTON ROAD. UM, AND SO AT THAT TIME, UH, THE DRB APPROVED A TWO STORY COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE. SO NOW THEY'RE PROPOSING TO MODIFY THAT, UH, TO A ONE STORY COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE. UM, IT'LL BE APPROXIMATELY 11,600 SQUARE FEET. UM, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE, UH, PARKING SPACES, UM, THAT MOST OF THE PARKING WILL BE LOCATED IN THE ADJACENT BUILDING AT, UH, AT 500 ALTON ROAD. UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING A PARKING LOT THAT WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THAT I'LL DESCRIBE IN A MOMENT. UM, THE, UH, THE, SO THE, THE STRUCTURE FEATURES A, UH, IT'S IN CONTEMPORARY STYLE. UH, THE SITE FEATURES A PLAZA ALONG ALTON ROAD WITH PATHWAYS THAT MEANDER THROUGH LANDSCAPING TO A CENTRAL BREEZEWAY THAT SEPARATES TWO PAVILIONS ALLOWING VISITORS TO ACCESS THE PLAZA, UH, WHICH OVERLOOKS CANOPY PARK. UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL VALLI EAVES THAT, UH, ENCIRCLE BOTH OF THE BUILDINGS, UM, ACCENTING THE BREEZEWAYS. IT'S A, IT'S A VERY, VERY NICE STRUCTURE AND STAFF IS HIGHLY SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO DESIGN, UM, AS IT, IT DOES HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO IMPROVE THE INTEGRATION TO THE ADJACENT CANOPY PARK. UM, STAFF DOES HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE PROPOSAL FROM THE APPLICANT TO BUILD A, UH, A SUBURBAN STYLE PARKING LOT ADJACENT TO THE STRUCTURE, UM, WITH 90 DEGREE PARKING SPACES. UM, STAFF BELIEVES THAT THERE IS AMPLE PARKING IN THE ADJACENT STRUCTURE ON, UH, ON 500 ALTON ROAD, AND AS WELL AS THERE'S PUBLIC PARKING IN THE, IN THE VICINITY, UM, THAT CAN MORE THAN, UH, UM, UH, ADDRESS THE NEEDS FOR THIS SITE. ADDITIONALLY, STAFF IS ENCOURAGING ALTERNATIVE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION. THIS IS SMALL SCALE RETAIL THAT SHOULD BE SERVING THE COMMUNITY. UM, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY LIKELY WILL BE WALKING AND BICYCLING TO THIS COMMUNITY. SO THE INCLUSION OF A, OF A PARKING LOT LIMITS THE INTEGRATION OF THE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE TO THE ADJACENT PARK, WHICH IS, WHICH IS, UH, VERY IMPORTANT THAT, THAT, THAT INTEGRATION TAKE PLACE. UM, SO WITH THAT, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THAT THE, THAT THE APPLICATION BE APPROVED WITHOUT THAT PARKING LOT. IN THE EVENT THAT THE DRB WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE SURFACE PARKING LOT WITH 90 DEGREES BASIS STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THAT SOME DETAILS OF THAT PARKING BE REFINED, UH, INCLUDING, UH, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE PROPOSED STANDARD WHEEL STOPS WITH BOLLARDS OR CONTINUOUS CURBS WITH LANDSCAPING, UH, FOR THE TWO FOOT VEHICLE OVERHANG. ALSO, THE DEMARCATION OF PARKING SPACES SHOULD CONSIST OF, OF CHANGES IN THE COLOR OF PAVERS AND NOT SURFACE PAINT. UM, AND SO WHILE THESE CHANGES ARE NOT IDEAL, THEY WOULD IMPROVE THE, THE, THE LOOK OF THE PARKING AREA. IT WOULD APPEAR [02:20:01] MORE LIKE A PLAZA AS OPPOSED TO A SURFACE PARKING LOT. UM, UM, AND, AND ENHANCE THE, THE SPACE IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE CLOSED OFF IN THE FUTURE AND USED AS A, AS A PLAZA FOR SOME OTHER USES IN, IN THE EVENT THAT THE PARKING IS NOT NEEDED. UM, SO WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE, UH, THAT THE PLANS BE APPROVED SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AND THE ATTACHED DRAFT ORDER, UM, WHICH ADDRESSED THE DESIGN REVIEW CRITERIA. MORNING, EVERYONE. THAT HOUSEKEEPING FIRST. GRAHAM, OH, FOR THE RECORD, GRAHAM PENN BURKE, DALE FERNANDEZ, LARKIN TAP TWO, SETH BISKIN BOULEVARD. IS THERE A PHILIP JEFFRIES IN THE ROOM? WE FOUND MR. JEFFRIES, UH, NOTEBOOK, NO, SORRY. SOME IMPORTANT, IT LOOKS LIKE AN ARCHITECT'S HANDWRITING. THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS . JOINED TO MY LEFT IS MR. RAY FORT. UM, AS ROGELIO NOTED, THE ONLY POINT OF DIFFERENCE WE HAVE WITH STAFF IS THE PARKING LOT. SO WHAT WE'VE HANDED OUT TO YOU, WHAT MS. BALTER HANDED OUT TO YOU WAS A, A DRAFT IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ALTERNATIVE PARKING SCENARIO THAT, THAT LIO LAID OUT. THE ALTERNATIVE TO DELETING IT, WE THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO RETAIN SOME PARKING HERE WHERE WE'RE RETAINING 11 SPACES, INCLUDING TWO ACCESSIBLE SPACES, SO AS OPPOSED TO 39 THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. SO IT'S A VERY MINOR USE OF THE PARKING, EXCUSE ME. AND WE THINK OVERALL, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLANS IN COMPARISON TO 2019 PLAN, THIS IS A MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT IN THEIR INTERACTION WITH THIS DESIGN WITH THE PARK. IT REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF VEHICULAR USE AREA SIGNIFICANTLY, THE OVERALL BUILDINGS INTEGRATE AND, AND FLOW INTO THE PARK IN A SIGNIFICANT WAY. WE'VE, AND, AND RAY WILL SHOW YOU, WE PROTECTED, UH, A A LOT OF THE SEATING INTERNALIZED NOW TO THE PROJECT, WHICH IS A, A GREAT IMPROVEMENT. SO LET ME TAKE YOU THROUGH MY LITTLE INTRO AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET RAY TO TAKE YOU THROUGH THE DETAILS. SO AS ROGELIO NOTED, THIS IS THIS PIECE, THIS PARCEL IS A PIECE OF THE OVERALL 500 ALTON PROJECT, RIGHT? THE 500 ALTON PROJECTS INCLUDES THE, THE FIVE PARK BUILDING ON THE SOUTH. IT INCLUDES THE THREE ACRES OF CAN PARK THAT WAS DEDICATED TO THE CITY, UH, THE FLOR, THE NEW FLORIDIAN PARKING LOT TO THE NORTH PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. WHEN, WHEN DAVID WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, UH, THE WALKS AND THE BRIDGE, THAT, THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. SO WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF IMPLEMENTING THE FINAL ELEMENTS OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH WILL OF COURSE INCLUDED THE DEDICATION AND THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE PARK AS WELL. SO THIS AGAIN, IS ALWAYS, THIS COMMERCIAL COMPONENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE PLAN. SO THIS IS THE 2 20 19 APPROVAL. UH, AS LIO NOTED, IT'S TWO STORIES TALL. UH, UH, WHAT I WANTED TO NOTE AND, AND WE'RE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT MORE OF THE DETAILS, THERE'S TWO IMPORTANT ELEMENTS I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT. YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE WAS A, THIS INCORPORATED A DRIVEWAY THAT WENT FROM SIX ALL THE WAY TO ALTON. SO THERE WAS ALWAYS GONNA BE TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AND, AND ENDING ON ALTON, YOU'LL NOTE FROM, YOU'LL SEE THE NEW PLAN THAT'S GONE. THE OTHER ELEMENT I WANNA TALK ABOUT IS ON THE NORTH END OF THE PROJECT, YOU CAN SEE THAT KIND OF LITTLE SMALLER EGG SHAPED BUILDING THAT WAS BICYCLE PARKING AND ALSO THE TRASH ROOM. SO THE TRASH ROOM WAS BASICALLY LOCATED AGAINST THE PARK. SO AGAIN, WHEN YOU SEE THE NEW PLAN, IT'S A MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT. SO YOU'VE LOST, IN THE NEW DESIGN, YOU'VE LOSE ALL OF THAT VEHICULAR ACTIVITY. SO WE THINK THAT ULTIMATELY THE, THE NEW PARKING LOT IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT OF THE OLD ONE. I'LL SHOW, HERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE WAY THE DRIVE WORKS. SO REMOVING THAT, THAT, UH, ESPECIALLY THE ALTON DRIVEWAY, YOU'VE GOT ALL THAT PEDESTRIANIZATION THAT'S IMPROVED ALONG THERE AND YOU HAVE NONE OF THAT TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THE PROPERTY. SO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT REDUCES THE OVERALL HEIGHT. WE'RE BASICALLY TAKING THAT FLOOR AREA AND THAT WAS IN TWO STORIES AND WE'RE SEPARATING IT INTO TWO BUILDINGS. IT REMOVES THAT ALTON ROAD DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. WE BELIEVE IT AGAIN, SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVES THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS PROPERTY, WITH THE PARK. AND, UH, AS ROGELIO NOTED, UH, REALLY RETAINS A FIRST CLASS DESIGN THAT ARCHITECTONIC THAT CAME UP FOR THIS, UH, FROM THE BEGINNING. WE THINK IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, IMPROVEMENT IN THE ARCHITECTURE AS WELL. WELL, THAT'S NOT GREAT. HOLD ON GUYS. CAN WE UNZOOM THIS SOMEHOW? HUH? ARE YOU GUYS CONTROLLING THIS OR AM I CONTROLLING? I THINK YOU'RE CONTROLLING. I KNOW, BUT I CAN'T SEE ANY, OH, THERE, IT'S OKAY. HOLD ON. IT STILL DOES IT. SUPER BIZARRE. THAT MUST BE HOW THE SLIDE IS SET UP. WELL, NOW, THERE, THERE WAS, IT LOOKED FINE THIS MORNING, AND IF THIS IS ALL OF THEM WE'RE IN DEEP TROUBLE. UH, CAN YOU GUYS JUST REDUCE IT ? IT'S ODD BECAUSE THE OTHER PICTURES ARE OKAY. WE'RE JUST GONNA NOT, WELL, WE WON'T [02:25:01] DO IT. WE DO THE PDF INSTEAD OF PRESENTATION. YEAH, IT'S JUST GONNA BE PAINTED TO, TO MOVE THEM. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT. I APOLOGIZE. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE A, A ZOOMER. ALL RIGHT. AND JUST, AND TAKE 'EM OFF. YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT ANOTHER, THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS THAT YOU SUBMITTED AND THERE IS A PICTURE, A DRAWING OF WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. THE PLANS ARE ON THE BACK OF THIS TOO, BUT I THINK IT'S FINE. I THINK WE CAN JUST, WE'LL NAVIGATE LIKE THIS. IT'S FINE. IT'S, YOU GUYS CAN SEE IT. OKAY. SO RAY, I'LL LET, OH, ONE HERE. I'LL SIT HERE AND I'LL JUST MOVE IT FOR YOU SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. OKAY. SO, UM, THIS IS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SITE PLAN AND WHAT YOU SEE WITH THE GREEN ROOF, AND THAT OVAL SHAPE IS ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SIXTH STREET, WHICH IN THIS PARTICULAR ORIENTATION, EAST IS UP ON THE PAGE, NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT. UM, THE REASON THE BUILDING WAS SHAPED THAT WAY WAS BECAUSE WE HAD THAT DRIVEWAY COMING FROM SIXTH STREET OUT TO ALTON ROAD WITH PARALLEL PARKING, AND IT ACTUALLY SEPARATED THE RETAIL BUILDING FROM THE PARK SIGNIFICANTLY CREATING THAT TRAFFIC AND FLOW THROUGH AND POTENTIALLY EVEN A VALID DROP OFF THAT MAY HAVE EVEN OCCURRED IN THERE. SO THE NEW PLANS, WE, UM, YEAH, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE NEXT PAGE. THIS IS THE, SOMETHING ELSE TO NOTE IS THAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ALLOCATED IN THE, IN THE, IN THE NEW PROPOSED PROJECT IS THE SAME AS PREV AS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, EXCEPT THAT THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED WAS A, WAS A TWO STORY BUILDING, SO STACKED ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER. AND THE EXPECTATION WAS WE WANTED TO GET PEOPLE UP TO THAT SECOND FLOOR, WHICH OBVIOUSLY CREATES A LOT OF COMPLICATION FOR RETAIL. WE KNOW THAT REITS ON SECOND FLOOR ALWAYS HAS HAD SOME DIFFICULTY, UH, FUNCTIONING IN, IN MIAMI IN GENERAL. SO, UH, AND THIS WAS ABOUT A 40 FOOT TALL STRUCTURE, 45 IF YOU INCLUDE THE BFE, BUT IT WAS RELATIVELY TALL BECAUSE WE HAD ABOUT 20 FOOT FLOOR TO FLOOR FOR EACH RETAIL LEVEL. SO, ON TOP OF THE IDEA THAT WE HAD THIS DRIVEWAY HAPPENING THERE, WE HAD A VERY LARGE STAIRCASE, WHICH YOU CAN CALL A FEATURE STAIRCASE, VERY HIGH FLOOR TO FLOOR HEIGHTS. AND, UM, WE HAD TO GET PEOPLE UP TO THAT SECOND FLOOR. SO, UH, THESE ARE THE OLD VIEWS FROM THE 2019. SO NOW LOOK, NOW THIS ONE'S SMALL. THAT'S SUPER BIZARRE. IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY DECIDING TO, UH, MESS WITH MY BRAIN. UH, HERE DO, UH, DO ONE OF THESE, WE'LL GO AT THAT, THEN WE'LL DO ONE GO SCROLL OVER A BIT AND MAYBE THAT'LL ALRIGHT, HERE WE GO. OKAY, I'LL KEEP GOING. SO THE NEW, UH, THIS IS AN UPDATED COLORED SITE PLAN AND WE'RE NOW DECOUPLING THE STACKED FLOOR PLATES AND PUTTING THE BUILDING SIDE BY SIDE WITH THE INTENTION OF CREATING A COURTYARD SPACE IN BETWEEN THE TWO. WE'RE ALSO LETTING THE SHAPES THESE BUILDINGS BE QUITE ORGANIC, MUCH LIKE THE GREEN SPACES THAT YOU SEE IN CANOPY PARK. THEY'RE ALMOST REACTING TO THOSE SHAPES THAT ARE OCCURRING AROUND IT. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, AND WE CAN ACTUALLY GO TO THE NEXT ONE. IT MIGHT BE CLEAR. SO THE, THE SHAPES OF THE BUILDING ARE VERY AIC, LIKE VERY ORGANIC, REACTING TO THE SHAPES WITHIN THE PARK. WE DO HAVE THOSE 11 PARKING SPACES, WHICH ARE OFF STRICT STREET, WHICH ARE OFF OF THAT ROUNDABOUT AND PERPENDICULAR. AND THEY TAKE UP MUCH LESS SPACE THAN HAD IT BEEN PARALLEL. THE PARALLEL SPACES STILL NEED THE TWO. THEY STILL NEED A WIDE DRIVE AISLE. THEY, YOU ONLY GET ONE SPACE FOR EVERY TWO PARKING SPACES HAD IT BEEN PERPENDICULAR. AND WE HAD THE DRIVE AISLE THAT HAD THAT, THAT EXITED ONTO ALTON ROAD BY REMOVING THAT DRIVE AISLE ALTOGETHER AND HAVING A BUILDING AT ITS PLACE, OR ABLE TO ACTUALLY LET THE RETAIL BUILDINGS CONNECT TO CANOPY PARK AND HAVE ENTRANCES OFF OF THE NORTH, UM, EAST NORTHWEST CORNER AND CREATE, UH, WHAT, WHAT WE THINK IS A VERY NICE DINING AND OUTDOOR SEATING AREA IN BETWEEN THE TWO PAVILIONS. UM, YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE THAT OUR LOADING AREA, THE DESIGNATED LOADING AREA, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, I'M GONNA TRY TO MOVE THIS A BIT, WHICH IS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UM, ARE THE TWO SPACES OFF OF SIXTH. SO THE BUILDINGS ARE ORIENTED, ESPECIALLY THE ONE ON THE SOUTH, UH, WITH THE BACK OF HOUSE AND TRASH ROOMS TOWARDS THAT SIDE. AND THAT'S THE MAIN TRASH ROOM. SO ANYTHING THAT, THAT OCCURS FROM THE TRASH IN THE OTHER BUILDING GETS HAULED OUT AND BROUGHT TO THAT TRASH ROOM AS THE HOLDING AREA. UM, WE'VE ALSO IMPLEMENTED, UH, AN UPDATED BUFFER ALONG ALTON ROAD WITH THIS PLAZA LIKE CONDITION WITH PATHWAYS THROUGH LANDSCAPE THAT THEN BRING YOU UP TO THE BFE AND I CAN SHOW YOU THAT IN SECTION. UM, OKAY. I'M RIGHT OUT OF TIME, AREN'T I? OKAY, THAT'S HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO YOU'D LOVE? YOU? YOU'D BE ABLE TO DO 5, 2, 2 TO FIVE MINUTES, IF THAT'S OKAY. I CAN GET, I CAN GET THROUGH THIS QUICKLY. OKAY. THREE. UM, WHERE DO YOU WANT ME TO GO? SO JUST THE SECTION, UH, THE BUILDING HAS NOW SIGNIFICANTLY BEEN REDUCED. UH, THE TWO BUILDINGS ARE NOT THE SAME HEIGHT, BUT THEY DO SHARE A ROOF LINE. ONE BUILDING IS 16 FEET AND THE OTHER IS 19 FEET. THERE'S A CANOPY THAT ACTUALLY CHANGES IN HEIGHT. IT'S ALMOST AIC IN IT IN SECTION AS WELL WHERE, UM, WE'LL GET TO THOSE VIEWS, BUT YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL SEE WHAT I MEAN. [02:30:01] LET'S KEEP GOING. UM, MATERIALITY. WE WANTED TO KEEP THIS QUITE SIMPLE IN TERMS OF, OF ITS MATERIALS. CLEAR GLASS, YOU KNOW, THAT CLEAR GLASS IS ESSENTIAL TO HAVING, UH, GOOD RETAIL AND GOOD FUNCTIONING. F AND B YOU WANT TO SEE INTO THESE SPACES. WE'RE CHOOSING A NEUTRAL, UH, MULIAN COLOR THAT'S A LIGHT GRAY MULIAN COLOR. AND WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING FOR THE PEDESTALS TO MITIGATE THE HEIGHT OF THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION TO USE IN LYTIC STONE. AND THEN, UH, A WOOD CLADDING IN AREAS THAT WE WANT TO CONCEAL, LIKE THE BACK OF HOUSE AREAS, WHICH ALSO PROVIDES A BACKDROP FOR SIGNAGE TO BE PLACED ON THE BUILDING. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT PAGE. KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING. OKAY. THESE ARE JUST THE ELEVATIONS. SOMETHING YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL NOTICE HERE IS THE CURVATURE OF THE EYEBROW THAT OCCURS AROUND THE RETAIL. THIS IS, UH, THIS IS ALS, THIS IS IN COMBINATION CREATING PROTECTION, UH, FOR OUTDOOR SEATING, BUT ALSO, UH, ALMOST A COVERED COURTYARD IN BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS THEMSELVES. LET'S KEEP GOING. SO THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE PARK SIDE, UH, LOOKING ESSENTIALLY, UH, TOWARDS THE NORTHEAST, WE'RE BASICALLY STANDING CLOSE TO SIXTH STREET FROM THIS VANTAGE POINT. THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT IS SLIGHTLY TALLER, AND THE THE CANOPY, THE EYEBROW IS, IS CURVING UPWARDS TOWARDS THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THE UPPER LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE AND FOLLOWS IT DOWN TOWARDS THE 16 FOOT SIDE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE. BUT WHAT WE'VE CREATED IN BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS IS A COURTYARD SPACE. THE PARKING IS INTENDED TO FEEL VERY PLAZA LIKE. WE DON'T WANT THIS TO FEEL LIKE A PARKING LOT THAT'S SET WITHIN THE PARK. UM, WE PUT SO MUCH EFFORT INTO REMOVING THE DRIVE AISLE TO BEGIN WITH. SO WE WANT TO CONTINUE THE IDEA OF REMOVING THE PARKING FROM THE SPACE. UH, ALTHOUGH WE DO KNOW THAT FOR CONVENIENCE PARKING, THAT COULD BE A VERY GOOD THING FOR THE ACTIVATION OF THESE, OF THESE BUILDINGS. UH, THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE PARK SIDE AS WELL. VERY GLASSY, VERY OPEN, VERY INVITING. NEXT PAGE, WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, THE A, A WOOD, UH, CLADDING TO THE BUILDING WHERE WE HAVE BACK OF HOUSE SPACES, BUT HERE IN THIS VIEW YOU CAN SEE THE THREE MATERIALS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. THE LYTIC STONE, UH, THAT CREATES THAT DATUM OF THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION, THE WOOD CLADDING FOR THE BACK OF HOUSE SPACES, WHICH WE WOULD LIKE TO USE AS A BACKDROP FOR POTENTIAL SIGNAGE, CLEAR GLASS INTO THE SPACE. WOW. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT GUYS, I'M GONNA CLICK THIS AND THEN, UH, WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING A BULL NOSE, UH, EYEBROW, WHICH SPEAKS TO THE RADIUSES THAT WE'RE USING IN FIVE PARK AS WELL. SO WITH THAT, UM, I CAN, YEAH, I MEAN WE INCLUDE THE PRESENTATION. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT, I APOLOGIZE. WE HAD A LOT OF FUN TECHNICAL STAFFERS. THE, UH, WE JUST CLOSED WITH THE FOLLOWING, RIGHT? THE THERE ARE TWO, THERE'S A, UH, WE'VE REQUESTED, WE WILL REQUEST THAT YOU MODIFY CONDITION 2D TWO A, WHICH IS THE AFOREMENTIONED PARKING LOT CONDITION TO REFLECT THE ALTERNATIVE THAT'S LAID OUT BY STAFF IN THE NARRATIVE, WHICH IS REFLECTED IN THE, IN WHAT WE'VE HANDED OUT, WHICH IS BASICALLY EX REMOVING ANY, UH, WHEEL STOPS, EXTENDING THE LANDSCAPING AND WITH CURBING TO BASICALLY ALLOW CARS TO, UH, REST AGAINST THE CURB AND EXTEND THAT, UH, EXTEND THAT LANDSCAPED AREA, REMOVE THE PAINT AND REPLACE, UH, FOR THE, THE SPACING DELINEATION AND, AND HAVE IT, UH, HAVE PAVERS DO IT INSTEAD. SO, UM, WE, WE THINK THAT THAT'S A FAIR COMPROMISE. UM, WE, THIS BUILDING REALLY NEEDS TO HAVE SOME, SOME LEVEL OF PARKING, UH, ADJACENT TO IT TO FUNCTION PROPERLY. AND AS I'VE NOTED TO STAFF, THE OTHER TECHNICAL CHANGE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE, WHICH IS UH, IS TO THE OVERALL DRAFT. I MEAN THE OVERALL STANDARD REQUIREMENT FOR 18 MONTHS FOR BUILDING PERMIT. THIS PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. SO THE DEADLINES FOR BUILDING PERMIT ISSUANCE ARE GOVERNED BY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. UH, NOT REALLY THIS BOARD'S CONCERN, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ON THE RECORD SO THE FINAL ORDER CAN REFLECT THAT CHANGE. SO WITH THAT, WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND I'D LIKE TO RESERVE TIME FOR REBUTTAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK, SPEAK? NO. ANYBODY ONLINE? WE HAVE, UH, TIM CARR. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. THIS IS TIM CARR WEST APP NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. HI, ALSO AFTERNOON, TIM. UM, I'M, I'M, I'M SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION. I JUST NEED TO THROW YOU IN REALLY QUICKLY BEFORE YOU CONTINUE. PLEASE. UH, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE, THAT TESTIMONY THAT YOU'LL BE GIVING IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, I DO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU TIM. YOU MAY CONTINUE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU AGAIN. TIM CARR, WEST TAB, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, PRESIDENT OF THE BENTLEY BAY. UM, WE DID HAVE A CHANCE, UH, TO REVIEW THE PLANS, BOTH THE BOARD AND, UH, THE BENLEY BAY AND ALSO WEST AB NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. [02:35:01] WE SUPPORT THE PLANS THAT PROPOSED TODAY. UH, WE DO ASK, UH, AGAIN, IT'S A GREAT DESIGN. I THINK IT REALLY INTEGRATES WELL WITH THE PARK. UH, WE DO ASK THOUGH THAT YOU ACCOMMODATE A PUBLIC RESTROOM FOR PEOPLE USING THE PARK RIGHT NOW. THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE DO HAVE WITH FAMILIES AND KIDS ON THE PLAYGROUND. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO GO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TIM. ARE THERE ANY OTHERS WE HAVE ALREADY GIFT TOPLESS. YES. HI. GOOD MORNING. HI ARI. CAN YOU HEAR US? YES, I CAN. CAN YOU HEAR ME? UH, YES. I JUST NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN REALLY QUICKLY BEFORE YOU CONTINUE, PLEASE. SURE. YEAH. UH, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU WILL BE GIVING IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU MAY CONTINUE. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR. UH, UH, UH, SIXTH STREET, IS THAT NO LONGER GOING TO BE A PUBLIC STREET? IS THAT NOW PRIVATE TO THIS PROJECT? THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR SIXTH STREET HAS BEEN VACATED. IT IS NO LONGER A PUBLIC STREET, BUT THERE IS AN EASEMENT THAT PROVIDES PUBLIC ACCESS. OKAY. SO, SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY FUNCTIONS AS A PUBLIC STREET, BUT IT IS TECHNICALLY NOT A PUBLIC STREET. PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. MOSTLY PEDESTRIAN. PEDESTRIAN AND PARTICULAR ACCESS. THERE ARE 10 FOOT SIDEWALKS ON EITHER SIDE OF, BUT COULD SOMEBODY DRIVE FROM WHATEVER BAY ROAD, ALTON WEST ALTON TO WEST, YES. CUTTING THROUGH THERE. OKAY. YES. SO THEY CAN DRIVE. SO THEN IT IS KIND OF STILL PUBLIC. YES. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, AND THAT'S IT. GREAT. I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION AND OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD FOR COMMENTS. SCOTT, DO YOU WANNA START? YEAH. UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'M SUCH A FAN OF THIS PROJECT, ULTIMATE THE WAY THE BUILDING AND THE PARK HAVE TURNED OUT. IT'S ONE OF THE FEW THINGS THAT IS ACTUALLY BETTER THAN I THINK WE ALL ANTICIPATED. I WALKED THROUGH THERE A LOT AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. UM, AND I AGREE WITH YOU WITH PARKING. I WAS ON THE PARKING COMMITTEE FOR EIGHT YEARS AND THIS TOWN JUST KEEPS CUTTING PARKING OUT AND THERE'S NOWHERE TO STOP AND THERE'S NOWHERE TO BUY ANYTHING. THERE'S NOWHERE TO PARK YOUR CAR WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO BUY SOMETHING. SO I TOTALLY, I APPRECIATE STAFF'S, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT THE PARK, BUT I THINK ULTIMATELY CHANGING IT TO THIS, TO THIS CONFIGURATION IS BETTER FOR THE PARK AND FOR THE RETAIL. I WOULD ASK THAT THE WHITE LINES NOT BE PUT, THAT YOU'D DO THAT WITH STONE, WITH PAVERS AND THINGS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED IF WE KEEP THE PARKING. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE. UM, WHAT ELSE WAS I GONNA SAY? I THINK THAT WAS IT. I REALLY, YEAH, I'M REALLY, I'M A BIG FAN OF PUTTING PARKING. I REMEMBER THIS DEBATE WHEN THIS CAME UP, AND WHEN YOU DO HAVE RETAIL WITH ZERO PARKING, IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE. BUT I THINK THE OTHER CHANGES ARE REALLY BEAUTIFUL AND I THINK THEY'RE REALLY GONNA ENHANCE THE PARK. AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT HIGH RISE, THAT EVERYBODY WAS FREAKING OUT ABOUT THE WAY IT HAS BEEN SITUATED, THE ANGLE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU CAN BE IN THAT PARK. AND IT, IT REALLY, IT'S AMAZING HOW A 50 STORY BUILDING DOES NOT RUIN THE IMPACT OF THAT PARK. SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. UM, I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION IN GENERAL RELATING TO THE PARKING, IF THE PARKING LOT WASN'T THERE, THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE, THE MATERIAL THAT WE GOT THAT THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF ACCOMMODATES FOR THE PARKING. WAS THAT WHAT YOU WERE PROPOSING? YES. THE PARKING, THE PARKING REQUIREMENT CAN BE MET BY THE PARKING THAT IS, THAT EXISTS IN THE, IN THE NEW BUILDING THAT'S BEING BUILT. MM-HMM. . AND THEN DOES THE PARK ITSELF HAVE PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE? IS THAT WHAT I SAW OR THAT WAS A DIFFERENT PROPERTY? THERE WAS A PARK, THERE IS PARALLEL PARKING ON WEST AVENUE ADJACENT TO THE PARK. UM, BUT THERE'S NO PARKING SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PARK? MM-HMM. , THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THERE'S A PARKING LOT TO THE NORTH OF THE PARK THAT IS THE SOUTH BAY, UH, TOWERS PARKING, UHHUH , IT'S THE FLORIDIAN, SORRY, I APOLOGIZE. THE FLORIDIAN TOWERS PARK, BUT IT'S PRIVATE NOW. HOW IT'S NOT A PUBLIC LOT. HOW ARE YOU GONNA PREVENT PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST RUNNING INTO THE BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO GOING TO THE RETAIL FROM USING THIS PARKING LOT? 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE RIGHT THERE. LIKE, DON'T YOU THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, I DON'T WANNA DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOU GONNA ENSURE THAT IT MEETS THE RIGHT, THE SERVES THE RIGHT PURPOSE? WELL, AND RAY CAN EXPLAIN, I, I THINK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE PORTCO SHARE AREA OF, OF 500 ALTON. BUT THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT AREA. I THINK THAT MOST, IF, IF YOU'RE GOING IN THERE FOR CONVENIENCE PURPOSES, A TYPICAL PEOPLE, WE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE AMAZON GUY, THE, THE FOOD DELIVERY GUY, THERE'S, THERE'S MORE ROOM ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT STREET THAN ON THE NORTH SIDE REALLY FOR YOU. SO I THINK THAT MOST, MOST OF THEM ARE JUST GONNA TAKE, AGAIN, THEY ALWAYS, AS WE ALWAYS KNOW, THEY TAKE THE PATH OF LEASE RESISTANCE AND IF THEY CAN GET TO THE FRONT OF THE RESIDENTIAL [02:40:01] BUILDING AND THERE'S A LARGE AREA TO, TO PULL IN THERE, THEY'LL USE IT. MM-HMM. , I MEAN, OTHER THAN THAT, OBVIOUSLY ONCE WE HAVE TENANTS THERE, THE ACTUAL KIND OF OPERATION OF THAT, UH, WILL DEPEND ON WHAT THE TENANTS ARE, RIGHT. WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S GOING TO BE A RESTAURANT THERE, WHAT THAT WANTS VALET. AND THEN MAYBE A LOT OF THE PART, THE, THE LOT WILL BE VALET, YOU KNOW, DURING THE EVENINGS FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO ALLOW THAT STAGING TO OCCUR. SO IT, IT REALLY WILL DEPEND ON WHAT THE TENANT MIX IS. BUT, UH, WE THINK THAT 500 ALDEN BY ITSELF FOR FIVE PARK, I APOLOGIZE, HAS HAS MORE THAN ENOUGH SPACE TO, TO, TO ALLOW FOR THAT KIND OF IN AND OUT DELIVERY SPACE. AND TO EXPAND UPON THAT FIVE PARK HAS TWO SEPARATE DROP-OFFS, TWO LOBBIES, AND A LOT OF INTERNAL QUEUING. SO THERE'S, I DON'T, I DON'T, AND, AND NOT ONLY THAT, IT HAS TWO RES TWO ENTRANCES INTO THE GARAGE. SO I DON'T SEE, UH, I WOULDN'T FORESEE RATHER, UH, A RESIDENT OR SOMEBODY GOING TO THAT BUILDING SAYING, HEY, I'M JUST GONNA PARK IN THIS LOT AND THEN GO TO THAT BUILDING. THERE'S SO MUCH ACCESS THAT IT WAS A, IT WAS A HUGE PART ACTUALLY OF THE INITIAL DESIGN AND DISCUSSIONS, UM, ORIGINALLY WITH STAFF AND WITH THE GRB, UM, AS PART OF THAT, UH, AS PART OF THAT BUILDING, THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL IN THE RESIDENTIAL TOWER. RIGHT. OKAY. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S INTERPLAY WITH THE SPACE. THERE'S NOT, NO. OKAY. I WAS KIND OF SIMILARLY, SIMILARLY WORRIED IF PEOPLE WERE GONNA JUST PARK IN THAT PARKING LOT FOR THE PARK ITSELF. UM, I DON'T, SO I GUESS THAT WILL BE UP TO YOUR TENANT OPERATORS TO DECIDE LIKE TO, FOR SIGNAGE AND EN ENFORCEMENT. I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR THE PARK BUT WOULD LIKE TO GO MM-HMM. , THAT'S WHERE I WOULD PARK EXACTLY. RIGHT. EXACTLY. SO MEAN FOR MULTIPLE HOURS AND THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING TOO, IF THERE IS GONNA BE A, THESE ARE BIG BUILDINGS. IF THERE'S GONNA BE A RESTAURANT HERE, YOU'RE GONNA NEED MORE THAN 11 SPOTS. WELL, YEAH. I MEAN, AS ROGELIO NOTED, RIGHT, THE, THE, THE REMAINDER OF THE PARKING FOR, FOR THE RETAIL IS SERVED BY THE 500 ALTON BUILDING. RIGHT. THAT GARAGE WILL INCLUDE SPACES THAT ARE DEDICATED TO THE RETAIL USE. SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN PLANNED THAT WAY. THE RE WE ARE JUST, WE'RE NEVER, THIS LOT WAS NEVER GOING TO HOLD ALL THE PARKING THAT'S NECESSARY. RIGHT. IT'S ONLY LESS THAN A THIRD OF WHAT THE DEMAND WOULD BE. SO, YES. SO FROM A, FROM AN OPERATIONAL POINT OF VIEW, IF WE HAVE A RESTAURANT THAT'S POPULAR, THERE'LL BE A VALET, THEY'LL PARK THEM IN THE, IN THE GARAGE. RIGHT. SO THIS IS DESIGNED FOR, I MEAN, HANDICAP SPACES, OBVIOUSLY, AND TO HAVE PEOPLE GETTING IN AND OUT QUICKLY. YEAH. MAYBE IT'LL BE A 15 MINUTE ONLY KIND OF PARKING THING, WHICH IS REALLY VALUABLE. YEAH, YEAH. LIKE FOR UBER EATS, WHAT WAS THE REALLY, WHAT WAS YOUR IDEA FOR THE SPACE OR WHAT WAS THE ALTERNATIVE? IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PARKING LOT, WAS IT JUST GREEN SPACE? OR THEORETICALLY IT COULD BE GREEN SPACE THAT WOULD INTEGRATE INTO THE PARK, PROVIDE PATHWAYS INTO THE PARK, UM, IMPROVE THOSE LINKAGES. UM, YOU, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC PLAN IN MIND. WE WOULD WANNA WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, BUT, BUT IDEALLY IT WOULD BE INPRO SOMEHOW IMPROVING THE CONNECTIVITY INTO THE PARK. OKAY. SOMETHING TO NOTE THAT THE PARKING LOT IS NOT ASPHALT. WE'RE PROPOSING IT AS PAVERS. SO LET'S JUST SAY THERE IS SOME TYPE OF EVENT THAT REQUIRES MORE OUTDOOR SEATING OR SOME, SOME EVENT THAT'S IN THE PARK THAT NEEDS SOME EXPANSION OR SOME SETUP. LIKE THAT PARKING LOT COULD BE TAKEN OVER AND STILL FEEL LIKE IT'S IN A PLAZA SETTING TO INTERACT WITH BOTH THE COMMERCIAL AND THE GREEN SPACE. YEAH. FARMER'S MARKET TYPE USE. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT IS ALWAYS BEEN DESIGNED. YEAH. YEAH. I, YOU KNOW, LIO, IT WAS REALLY STRUCK, UM, THAT STAFF FELT VERY STRONGLY AGAINST THIS PARKING LOT. WHAT, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT, I MEAN, A LITTLE BIT MORE, IT IT JUST THAT YOU WANNA TAKE, YOU THINK THAT IT SHOULD JUST BE EXPANDING OF THE PARK AND THEN WHAT'S THE COUNTER ARGUMENT TO SERVING THE CONVENIENCE FOR THE STORES AND MAKING SURE THAT THE STORES ARE SUCCESSFUL? SO FOR MOST OF THE PARKING FOR THE RETAIL IS, IS LOCATED IN, IN THE, IN THE ADJACENT TOWER. UM, ADDITIONALLY THERE IS PARALLEL PARKING ON ALTON ROAD. THERE'S PARALLEL PARKING ON WEST AVENUE. UM, THERE'S SUFFICIENT PARALLEL PARKING FOR THOSE CONVENIENT IN AND OUT USES. UM, WE BELIEVE, AND ADDITIONALLY, BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY DENSE AREA, THIS IS PROBABLY THE DENSEST AREA OF THE CITY, WE DO EXPECT A LOT OF, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE WALKING, UM, TO THIS RETAIL LOCATION. YOU HAVE ACROSS THE STREET, YOU HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, 500, YOU HAVE THE, THE, THE FIVE PARK BUILDING. YOU HAVE THE FLORIDIAN, YOU HAVE UH, ICON, YOU HAVE MORANO, MORANO GRANDE, YOU HAVE ALL THESE REALLY TALL BUILDINGS WITHIN A BLOCK THAT WE DO EXPECT THAT A LARGE PROPORTION OF THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE COMING TO THIS BUILDING WILL BE WALKING. UM, SO IDEALLY THAT'S, THAT'S THE METHOD WE'D LIKE FOR PEOPLE TO GET THERE AND IS, IS TO WALK AND TO MINIMIZE THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY OUR, OUR, OUR THOUGHTS IN THIS IS THAT, UH, ALTERNATIVE MODES OF TRANSIT WILL BE THE PREDOMINANT FORM OF PEOPLE GETTING TO THIS LOCATION. UM, FOR THOSE QUICK IN AND OUT VEHICLE TRIPS, THERE WOULD BE, UM, UM, SOME, THEY WOULD BE [02:45:01] ABLE TO USE THE ON-STREET PARKING. UM, UM, AND ALSO THERE'S ANOTHER, AN OTHER ALTERNATIVE WHERE THERE IS A MORE LIMITED AMOUNT OF PARKING IN A PARALLEL PARKING AREA, PERHAPS RATHER THAN 90 DEGREE PARKING. THAT'S A MORE LIMITED FOOTPRINT, UM, TO SERVICE PER, FOR EXAMPLE, THE HANDICAP PARKING AND, AND ANY OTHER, UM, REALLY BASIC, UH, NEEDS FOR PARKING AS WELL. HOW DOES THE, THE, UM, PARALLEL PARKING ON WEST AVENUE AND ALTON ROAD IS TYPICALLY TAKEN AND WHILE THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE VISITING THIS PARK, MOST LIKELY WILL COME FROM NEIGHBORING BUILDINGS, MAYBE THERE'S SOME OF US THAT DON'T LIVE IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORING BUILDINGS THAT WOULD LIKE TO VISIT IT AND, YOU KNOW, FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. UM, SO I, AND IT SORT OF REPLACES ALL, NOT SORT OF, IT DOES REPLACE THE ANGLE PARKING, UM, THAT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS PLAN THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED. SO WHY DID IT GET APPROVED THEN WITH THE ANGLE PARKING? WAS IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT IT, IT WAS APPROVED. THERE WAS NOTHING MORE TO, TO DISCUSS AT THAT POINT. I KNOW IT WAS, UH, CONTENTIOUS AND, AND A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON IT, BUT, UM, ALL THEY'RE DOING IS REALLY REPLACING SOME OF THAT ANGLE PARKING WITH THIS LITTLE PARKING LOT. YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT I THINK STAFF MAINTAIN THE SAME POSITION BACK WHEN BACK THEN THEY DID STICKING WITH IT. YEAH. YEAH. BUT IT'S UP TO, IT'S UP TO THE DV NOW. HARD FEELINGS, . YEAH. YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE AND BUY SOMETHING HERE. SO, I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S A PUBLIC PARK, MEANING OPEN TO EVERYBODY ON MIAMI BEACH, MOST LIKELY USED BY THOSE LIVING IN THE AREA, BUT HAVING SOME LIMITED PARKING, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S ALWAYS PROBABLY GONNA BE FULL ALL THE TIME, . UM, IT JUST CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF CONVENIENCE AND I THINK IT HELPS WHATEVER RETAIL GOES IN THAT AREA. HOW DOES THE SIZE OF THIS LOT RELATE TO WHAT'S THERE NOW FOR THE SALE CENTERS IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME FOOTPRINT OR INTENTIONALLY? THE, THE SALES CENTER IS, UH, ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING ON THE NORTH SIDE, THE SALES CENTER ITSELF. I DON'T THE ACTUAL SALES CENTER, BUT THE LOT THAT'S SERVING THE SALES CENTER RIGHT NOW. IS THAT ABOUT THE SAME SIZE? OH, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE SAME LOT. SAME. IT'S THE SAME LOT. SAME. OKAY. AS YOU MIGHT'VE HEARD, I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PARK, SO , I WALK BY THIS TOO. AND YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T SEE, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE THAT BIG OF A, AN ISSUE WITH THE SIZE OF THE LOW LOT THAT'S THERE NOW. UM, AND I THINK IT'S PAVED CONCRETE RIGHT NOW, SO IT WOULD BE REPLACED WITH THE PAVERS. YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, I THINK IT'S CURRENTLY ASPHALT AS FOR THE SURFACE LOT THAT'S THERE. AND, UM, YEAH, THIS WOULD BE REPLACED WITH PAVERS. OKAY. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO ALSO TALK TO MAYBE TABLE THIS, UM, ABOUT THE DESIGN, WHICH I THINK IS A REALLY LOVELY IMPROVEMENT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY NICE. THE MATERIAL, THE EXTERIOR WOOD CLADDING. I KNOW, JUST 'CAUSE IT'S COME UP BEFORE. IS THAT GONNA BE REAL WOOD ENGINEERED WOOD? WE'RE PROPOSING AT THE MOMENT TO USE A REAL WOOD BECAUSE IT'S UNDER THE CANOPY UHHUH, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT ENGINEERED PRODUCTS BECAUSE IT'S GETTING MUCH BETTER EVERY SINGLE DAY. WE USE IT A LOT ON CEILINGS. THE CEILING WILL FOR SURE BE ENGINEERED WOOD 'CAUSE WE HAVE GREAT PRODUCTS FOR THAT. BUT, UH, FOR THE SIDING PORTION, WE'RE CONSIDERING A REAL WOOD. OKAY. I WOULD JUST REQUEST, OR I WOULD HAVE US REQUEST THAT IT BE A SORT OF ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY ONE. I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE LOOKED DOWN UPON THE EPAY WOOD. YEAH. UM, SO SOMETHING REGENERATIVE. YEAH. SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. UM, THE OTHER, I'D ALSO LIKE TO BRING UP THE POINT THAT ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO CALLED IN BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE RESTROOMS, WHICH IS, WAS SOMETHING THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT AS WELL. UM, THE REASON THAT I BRING IT UP, I HAPPEN TO LIVE VERY CLOSE TO POLO PARK, AND WE HAD THIS ISSUE WHERE THE POLO PARK ALSO DOESN'T HAVE ANY RESTROOMS. AND IT BECAME, NOW THERE'S, IT WAS A HUGE DEMAND FROM THE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA, AND NOW THERE'S A LITTLE TRAILER RESTROOM SITUATION. UM, BUT I DO KNOW, I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S A, LIKE A, A PLAYGROUND. LIKE I, I KNOW THAT THIS AREA IS USED BY A LOT OF KIDS IN BATHROOMS. AND I WAS HOPING THAT THAT COULD BE THAT THERE, THAT AND, AND BECAUSE THE PARK DOESN'T HAVE RESTROOMS, THAT THIS COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THIS DESIGN. SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN ANYBODY ELSE INCORPORATED INTO THE RETAIL. IS THAT POSSIBLE? THE, WELL, THE RE THE RETAIL WILL HAVE THE REQUIRED RESTROOMS FOR THE SIZE OF THOSE, OF THE, OF THOSE SPACES. UM, IS THE REQUEST TO PUT PUBLIC RESTROOMS SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE BUILDING, THE, TO SERVE RETAIL RESTROOM TO SERVE THE PEOPLE. I WOULD ALSO SAY TOO, THAT IT'S VERY RARE TO GO INTO A RETAIL STORE IN MIAMI BEACH AND BE ABLE TO USE THEIR RESTROOM. YEAH. AND I CAN GUARANTEE [02:50:01] YOU THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE PARK, BECAUSE THESE BUILDINGS ARE SO INTEGRATED INTO THE PARK, ARE GONNA THINK THAT THEY'RE PART OF THE PARK AND NOT THE CONDO NEXT DOOR. AND THEY'RE GONNA GO IN AND THEY'RE GONNA ASK TO USE THE RESTROOM. AND SO, SO MAYBE THAT BECOMES PART OF THE COMPROMISE OF, OKAY, THIS LAND CAN BE THE PARKING LOT, BUT IT ALSO HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, AS INTEGRATED INTO THE PARK AS POSSIBLE. MM-HMM. . UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE THAT A NOTE FOR THE CITY PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE IN GENERAL, HOW REALLY USEFUL IT IS, ESPECIALLY IN PARKS WITH PLAYGROUNDS TO HAVE PUBLIC RESTROOMS. UM, I I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE 22 PARKS ON MIAMI BEACH DO NOT HAVE A RESTROOM. UH, THE BEACH HAS IT, AND THE PARKS THAT DO HAVE IT, FLAMINGO PARK, NORMANDY, NORTH SHORE, UM, THE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE RESTROOMS, THE SECURITY IN THOSE RESTROOMS AND THE ACTIVITY THAT OCCURS IN THOSE RESTROOMS BECOMES A SERIOUS PROBLEM AND VERY DIFFICULT AND EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN AND A LOT OF TIMES NOT MAINTAINED. UM, SO I, UM, AND I AGREE WITH YOU. IF YOU GO ANYWHERE ON LINCOLN ROAD AND TRY TO USE A RESTROOM IN ANY OF THE STORES, THEY TELL YOU THEY DON'T HAVE ANY. WELL, OF COURSE THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T LET YOU USE THEM. UM, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, I'M CONCERNED. I AGREE IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE RESTROOMS. UM, MAYBE ALL OF US HERE WOULD USE THEM PROPERLY, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE POPULATION IN THIS AREA. UM, THERE COULD BE A LOT OF ABUSE IN THOSE RESTROOMS. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING WHEN WE SWING THAT FAR THAT WAY, I LOOK AT THE STRETCH OF THE BEACH WALK UP IN THE SORT OF FIFTIES AND SIXTIES WHERE EVERYBODY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THE PUBLIC USING, AND THERE'S NO WATER FOUNTAIN. YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GO FOR A MILE IN THE HEAT AND THERE'S NO WATER FOUNTAIN BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE SITTING THERE. UM, AGAIN, THIS WAS A REALLY DEEP NEED THAT WAS FELT WITH THIS ONE PARK. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO AVOID, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN COMPLAINTS THAT ALONG OMA PARK, SOME OF THE SHOWERS HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY. AND SO NOW THERE'S REALLY LONG LINES FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DO WANNA USE THE BEACH AND WANNA SHOWER OFF. AND IT'S LIKE, WE'VE GOTTEN SO DEFENSIVE AND YET THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE THAT ARE RUINING IT FOR EVERYONE AND IT'S AFFECTING THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT DO NEED THESE FACILITIES THAT ARE RESPONSIBLY USING THEM. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SAY ANY OF THE PUBLIC LANDS COULD BECOME PLACES WHERE PEOPLE HANG OUT WHEN WE DON'T WANT THEM TO. BUT THEN ARE WE GONNA STOP BUILDING PLAYGROUNDS? ARE WE GONNA STOP CREATING PUBLIC SPACES? I THINK THAT THE REALITY IS THESE SPACES ARE CREATED FOR THE PUBLIC TO ENJOY, AND WE HAVE TO HELP THEM ENJOY IT IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE. I MEAN, I, MY CHILDREN AREN'T LITTLE ANYMORE, BUT IT REALLY IS AN INCONVENIENCE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO THIS PARK, YOU'RE ENJOYING THIS FACILITY TO, TO, TO NOT HAVE A RESTROOM. AND YOU KNOW, THE MAINTENANCE. I HEAR YOU. I UNDERSTAND. BUT IT'S LIKE YOU'RE CUTTING OFF YOUR NOSE TO SPITE YOUR FACE. I BEING INVOLVED IN THIS SITUATION AND NOT A SITUATION A, A PROBLEM FOR SO MANY YEARS, UH, WHEN I WAS HERE AT THE CITY, I WILL TELL YOU THAT I AGREE TOTALLY WITH EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING. HOWEVER, REALISTICALLY, IT'S NOT JUST A FEW PEOPLE THAT ABUSE OF THIS SITUATION. AND NOW AS A RESULT, THE MAJORITY CAN'T HAVE IT. IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE ABUSE OF THIS SITUATION. IT ISN'T THE MINORITY FROM WHAT WE WERE EXPERIENCING. SO UNTIL SOMETHING IS FIXED, YOU KNOW, IT JUST CREATES A PROBLEM THAT CANNOT AND HAS NOT BEEN, UM, CONTROLLED OR PROPERLY ADDRESSED SO THAT YOU AND I CAN ACTUALLY USE A RESTROOM WHETHER WE GO AS ADULTS OR WITH CHILDREN. I KNOW THAT, UM, FISHER PARK, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE PARENTS GO WITH A LITTLE PORTAL TOILET, YOU KNOW, FOR THE KIDS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THEM USING, NOT THAT THERE ARE ANY, BUT EVEN WHEN THEY GO TO A PARK LIKE FLAMINGO, THEY DON'T WANT THEM USING THE PUBLIC RESTROOMS. UM, SO THAT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'D BE GREAT. BUT EVEN PARKS UP NORTH IN THE NORTH END OF THIS COUNTRY, UM, YOU HAVE TO PAY TO GET INTO THE PARK IN THE JERSEY SHORE TO GET INTO THE RESTROOM. YOU DON'T PAY, YOU DON'T GO IN. AND THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK MIAMI BEACH HAS GONE INTO YET. BUT, UH, AND IT HAPPENED BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE PARK, THE, THE RESTROOMS PROPERLY. SO I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT. IT'D BE GREAT, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. I THINK THERE'S A BIT OF A QUESTION TOO, OF WHO [02:55:01] WOULD BE MAINTAINING IT HERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS, IS PRIVATE PROPERTY SERVING A PUBLIC PARK. THAT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE PART OF MY QUESTION TOO, OF WHY THERE WASN'T A RESTROOM PUT IN THE PARK TO BEGIN WITH. SO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND BECAUSE THEY DON'T, THAT'S, IS THIS, IS THIS A PUBLIC, WHAT IS THE OWNERSHIP, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF WHO MAINTAINS THIS PARK? THE CITY THE PARK IS PART OF IS, IS OWNED BY THE CITY NOW. YEAH. THEY GAVE THE PARK TO THE CITY. SO ON THE SAME, YEAH, SAME THING. THE AISLE, SAME SITUATION. BUT THERE'S CONDOS WITH BATHROOMS. THERE'S A PUBLIX FOR THE BATHROOM ACROSS THE STREET. IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY HAD LIKE A MALL TYPE BATHROOM, BUT THIS IS SUCH A LITTLE RETAIL SPACE THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT. AND I DON'T THINK AT THIS POINT, TO HOLD A PARKING LOT THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED HOSTAGE OVER A BATHROOM. THAT IS JUST, LET'S FACE IT, IT IT DRAWS, IT WILL DRAW PEOPLE, IT'LL DRAW HOMELESS PEOPLE IF THEY KNOW THERE'S A BATHROOM THERE AND THEY'LL USE THE PARK AND IT'LL JUST, I, ITS A SAD SITUATION, BUT WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED IT IN OTHER PARKS. AND I, THAT'S WHY, THAT IS WHY, AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE USING THESE PARKS ARE COMING FROM THEIR CONDOS AND SURROUNDING AREAS. SO THERE ARE PUBLIC PLACES TO GO TO THE BATHROOM AROUND THERE. IT'S JUST, IT'S, I WOULDN'T HOLD IT HOSTAGE. I THINK WE'RE GOING IN CIRCLES ON THIS ONE. THERE IS A, THERE IS A PUBLIX ACROSS THE STREET. I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO CROSS ALTON, SO IT'S NOT THE MOST IDEAL, BUT THAT YOU COULD USE IN TERMS OF LOCAL. BUT YEAH. UM, OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I JUST RAY THE, UM, DESIGN, I FORGOT TO COMMENT ON IT, BUT IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN AND I THINK A, A WONDERFUL IMPROVEMENT FROM THE TWO STORY. 'CAUSE IT'S MORE IN, IN, IN SCALE WITH THE REST OF THE PARK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I, I CAN HONESTLY SAY I'M REALLY TORN WITH THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE ON THE ONE HAND I HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY IS SAYING AND I AGREE AS SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T LIVE IN THE AREA, BUT MIGHT, DEPENDING ON WHAT RESTAURANT IS THERE, COME TO THE RESTAURANT THERE, I COULD USE IT. BUT I ALSO WANNA RESPECT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE STAFF MAKES A REALLY GOOD POINT. I ALSO DON'T WANNA TAKE IT LIGHTLY. NORMALLY THERE'S NOT AS MUCH, UM, I GUESS DON'T FEEL AS STRONG. LIKE IT WAS A VERY STRONG REBUFF OF THEIR PLAN. SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE. BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF WHISPERING GOING ON WHEN WE WERE HAVING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BATHROOM. DID YOU, WAS IT SOMETHING YOU NEEDED TO SHARE WITH US JUST BRIEFLY? THERE WAS, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS SIX YEARS OF PROCESS NOW. THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BATHROOM WHEN THIS WAS WORKED OUT. AND ULTIMATELY IT DIDN'T END UP BEING IN THE PARK, RIGHT. THAT THERE WAS A, THERE WAS AT ONE POINT THE PLAN FOR THE PARK INCLUDED BATHROOMS, BUT THEN THEY WERE TOO CENTRAL AND THEY, THEY, YOU COULDN'T SEE THEM. SO THAT'S WHY THEY GOT TAKEN OUT. SO THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED. IT WAS DISCUSSED AT FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS DURING THE, THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROCESS. UM, SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO ADD. THAT, THAT THE ULTIMATE CONCLUSION THAT, THAT THE CITY CAME TO WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE NO BATHROOM IN THE PARK. I WAS PART, I WAS PUBLIC WHEN THIS WAS DONE, DONE. I WAS NOT ON ANY BOARDS OR COMMITTEES. AND SO I WAS AT A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS AND I SUPPORTED THE IDEA OF IT. AND I GOTTA, I WANNA MAKE A MOTION, BUT I WANT TO GO BACK AND SAY WE STARTED WITH WHAT WERE LIKE SIX OR EIGHT STORY BUILDINGS THAT WERE COMPLETELY COVERING THIS AREA, WALL TO WALL, SIDEWALK TO SIDEWALK WITH NO GREENERY AND VERY VAD. THAT'S WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED. AND THEY DID THIS PARK AND THIS HIGH RISE. AND THERE WERE SO MANY THINGS. AND THIS RETAIL, ANOTHER THING WITH THE RETAIL, THE PARKING WAS SO HARDLY DISCUSSED BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, RETAIL IS FAILING EVERYWHERE. AND WHEN THERE'S NOWHERE TO STOP A CAR, THERE'S NEVER PARALLEL PARKING. AND I APPRECIATE STAFF TRYING TO ADVOCATE FOR GREEN SPACE AND STUFF. I REALLY DO. BUT THERE'S JUST A PRACTICALITY AND REALITY TO THIS. SO I WOULD, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE LISTEN TO STAFF'S, UM, PROBLEMS WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH, WITH GETTING RID OF THIS PARKING LOT, BUT TO KEEP THE PARKING LOT TO FOLLOW THEIR, THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT IF WE DID KEEP THE PARKING LOT, THAT WE DON'T DO THE WHITE LINES, THAT YOU KEEP THE PAVERS, THAT YOU DON'T DO THE BUMP, THE WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM, THE PARKING STOPS AND DO WHAT THEY REQUI WHAT THEY BOLLARDS LIKE THEY, UH, SUGGESTED, YOU KNOW, I, I, AGAIN, I LIKE THAT YOU TURNED A DRIVEWAY INTO A PLAZA. SO THAT'S THE POSITIVE. I LEAVE THE BATHROOMS OUT OF IT. THAT'S ANOTHER, THAT'S ANOTHER AREA. UM, SO I WOULD MOTION TO APPROVE THE, THE BUILDING. THE DESIGN IS BEAUTIFUL. I THINK IT REALLY ENHANCES, IT'S A NICE IMPROVEMENT. AND AGAIN, WITH RETAIL, WE'RE, WE HAVE THIS PROBLEM WITH RETAIL WHERE WE, WE APPROVE ALL THIS RETAIL AND IT FAILS BECAUSE IT'S NOT PRACTICAL. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S IT. I MAKE THE MOTION, THE PARKING LOT WITH THE CHANGES WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND APPROVE THE DESIGN. THE CHANGES, THE CHANGES THAT THEY DISCUSSED REFLECTED ON PAGE SEVEN. YES. YEAH. YES. REFLECTED [03:00:01] ON IF I AGREE. YEAH, GRAB IT. YEP. YEP. WELL, AND I ALSO, TO THAT POINT, I WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE, BUT TO MAKE THE PAVERS SEEM LESS, I MEAN, IT'S NICE THAT YOU PUT PAVERS, BUT TO GO THE NEXT STEP TO MAKE IT SEEM A LITTLE BIT LIKE A MORE LUSH PARKING LOT OR, YOU KNOW, OPEN, I, I DON'T KNOW. I TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING. INTEGRATE WITH, THEY INTEGRATE WITH THE PROMENADE THOUGH, RIGHT? SO THAT IT FLOWS. SO IT FLOWS, RIGHT. THIS IS THE SAME MATERIAL USED AS THE PROMENADE, CORRECT? YEAH. AND IT'S AT THE SAME ELEVATION AS THE PROMENADE, CORRECT. YEAH. I GUESS I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THE PARKING LOT COULD BE DESIGNED TO AT LEAST HAVE THE INTENT OF BEING PARK-LIKE, BUT WITH THE PRACTICAL USE AS A PARKING LOT, WHICH SEEMS LIKE SORT OF MAYBE WHAT, WHAT STAFF WAS GETTING AT A LITTLE BIT. THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU DIDN'T LIKE. BUT IF THERE'S A WAY THAT THROUGH DESIGN OR LANDSCAPING, IT COULD LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE PARK-LIKE, LIKE A FLEX SPACE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN I WOULD ALSO SAY JUST IN TERMS OF OPERATION, I'D LIKE, WE'RE MAKING A CASE HERE FOR WHY THESE RETAIL STORES NEED PARKING. IF THERE COULD BE SOMETHING, WHETHER IT'S SIGNAGE OR WHATEVER, JUST TO ENSURE THAT THESE SPOTS ARE RESERVED FOR THE RETAIL AND THAT THE RETAIL CUSTOMERS ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S PARKING IN THE BUILDING. BECAUSE I WOULD HATE FOR PEOPLE NOT TO PATRONIZE THESE DOORS. YEAH. BECAUSE THEY THINK, OH, IT'S PAIN PARKING IS SUCH A PAIN IN THE NECK. I WOULDN'T PUT THAT CRITERIA BECAUSE IF A RESIDENT COMES IN BY CAR AND THERE'S PARKING AVAILABLE THERE, THAT RESIDENT, UM, SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE THAT PARK. UM, SO I WOULDN'T PUT THAT RESTRICTION. I THINK THE OPERATOR OF THE RETAIL IS GOING TO, TO DICTATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE'S GONNA NEED. AND HE ALSO HAS THE, THE AVAILABILITY OF THE PARKING GARAGE, UM, THAT'S PROVIDED. SO YEAH. ACROSS THE STREET. BUT, UH, IF SOMEONE GOES WITH THEIR CHILD TO THAT PARK BY CAR, THEN THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE THAT PARKING SPACE IF IT'S AVAILABLE. OTHERWISE, THEN THEY HAVE TO GO INTO THE PARKING GARAGE. IS IS, OH, WAIT TO, TO ADD TO THAT PEOPLE THAT USE THE PARK, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO USE THE PARK? IS IT A PUBLIC PARKING IN THE TOWER AND THE RESIDENCES? OH, FOR THE PARK? NO, NO, IT'S JUST FOR, BECAUSE THESE BUILDINGS ARE PART OF YOUR YEAH. I MEAN INCONCEIVABLY, IF YOU ARE GOING AND YOU'RE PAYING FOR PARKING, AGAIN, WE DON'T THE DETAILS OF THE OPERATION YEAH, THAT'S OPERATION, RIGHT? CONCEIVABLY, YES. BUT THAT'S NOT THE REQUIREMENT. IT'S NOT THE INTENTION. AND PARALLEL PARKING ON THE STREET IS SOMETIMES VERY LIMITED. UM, SO I WOULDN'T RESTRICT, UM, WHO OWNS THE PARKING LOT? IT'S THE CITY OR NO, THEY DO. YOU ALL DO. IT'S PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. DO, DOES THE DEVELOPMENT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ALLOWING PEOPLE USING THE PARK TO PARK THERE IN THE, IN OUR 11 NEW SPACES? I THINK THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES. MYRA. OKAY. I, I THINK THE DIFFICULT, I MEAN, WE'VE GOTTA DEAL WITH TENANTS, RIGHT? THAT THEY CAN USE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HAVE, IF WE'RE GONNA TRY TO LEASE THESE SPACES, IF THEY'RE ALL TAKEN TO OUR PARKING, YOU NEED TO HAVE PARKING. RIGHT. SO THEY CAN USE THE RETAIL AND THEN GO TO THE PARK AND THEY WOULD STILL BE IN COMPLIANCE. BUT I ASSUME THAT OPERATIONALLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON THESE. WE THAT WILL BE, WE WILL HAVE TO WORK THAT. YEAH. RIGHT. OKAY. YOU KNOW, AND NOT TO BELABOR THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, AS LAURA NOTED BEFORE, WE DO HAVE THE BERKOWITZ PARKING GARAGE LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET. SO IF SOMEONE'S COMING TO, AND THAT'S AVAILABLE PUBLIC PARKING, AND IT'S BEEN THERE FOR TWO DECADES ALREADY. SO IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA VISIT THE PARK, THAT'S ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE THAT'S LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET HUNDRED AND HOPEFULLY CAN WALK FROM THE BAY WALKS IN. YES. . IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL BEAUTIFUL. OKAY. SO ANYWAYS, MY MOTION BACK TO YOUR POINTING TO THE PARAGRAPH, BUT WHAT I HAVE TO SAY IS I HAVE TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE MOTION IS THE PARKING LOT AS THE PRESENT APPLICANT PRESENTS IT NOT AS THE PARALLEL BECAUSE THE ROAD, THE PLAZA DOES NOT ALLOW FOR TRAFFIC TO GO THROUGH IT. MM-HMM. . SO THE PARKING LOT WITH THE, IN PARAGRAPH TWO, UH, WITH WE'RE STAYING WITH 90 DEGREE SPACES, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE MATERIAL IS INTEGRATED WITH THE PLAZA THAT YOU USE. UH, YOU USE BOLLARDS OR A CONTINUOUS CURB WITH LANDSCAPE FOR A TWO FOOT WIDE VEHICLE OVERHANG. AND THAT THE DEMARCATION OF THE PARKING SPACES SHOULD CONSIST OF CHANGES IN COLORS OF THE PAVERS AND NOT SURFACE PAINT. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S MY MOTION AND THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AS PRESENTED. ANY OTHER, IS THAT CLEAR? I, I WOULD SAY TO WORK WITH STAFF TO CREATE AS MUCH LANDSCAPING AROUND THE PARKING AS POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW? YEAH, YEAH. GIVE IT THE MOST PART WITH STAFF TO, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT THEY'RE, THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO. I MEAN, WOULD YOU SAY LIO, THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO WITH THE YEAH. MAXIMIZE I SECOND THE MOTION. [03:05:03] I APOLOGIZE. CAN, CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE FINAL ORDER INCLUDES THAT FIXED TO THE 18 MONTH PROVISION THAT I DISCUSSED? IS THAT RINGING A BELL? , NO ONE LISTENS TO ME. THE, UH, YEAH, YOU STATED AT THE BEGINNING, IT'S NOT, THE DEADLINE FOR OBTAINING A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THIS APPLICATION CANNOT BE 18 MONTHS BECAUSE IT'S SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. RIGHT. WHICH GOVERNS THE DETERMINATION OF IT. SO THAT'S, IF WE COULD JUST MAKE SURE THAT GETS CLEANED UP IN THE FINAL VERSION. JUST AMEND THE, THE MOTION THAT WE, UH, IT'S JUST THE BOILER PLAY ALL THE WAY HERE. WE AMEND THE MOTION THAT WE DON'T HOLD A CONTINGENT TO 18 MONTHS. YES. BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN CHANGE OF THE, THE BUILDING. 'CAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S CONTINGENT ON THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT'S THE SECOND TO LAST PARAGRAPH ON PAGE SIX OF THE DRAFT ORDER. CORRECT. AND IT WOULD BE REPLACED, THE 18 MONTHS WOULD BE REPLACED WITH, UH, WITHIN THE PROVISIONS OUTLINED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A SECOND OR YEAH, THERE WAS A SECOND. MY SECOND I THOUGHT SO I SECOND. YEAH. OKAY. MOTION BY MR. DINGER FOR A SECOND BY MS. BUD. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, AND NOW I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A LUNCH BREAK. YEP. LUNCH IS HERE. OKAY. UM, SO IT'S 1215 RIGHT NOW. UM, LET'S DO 1240 RECESS. THANK YOU. ONE. GOOD AFTERNOON, AND WELCOME BACK TO THE OCTOBER 1ST MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. WE ARE GOING [4. DRB24-1037, 4410 ALTON ROAD.] TO CONTINUE ON OUR AGENDA WITH, UH, DRB 24 DASH 1 0 3 7 44 10 ALTON ROAD. SO THIS IS AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A MODIFICATION TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH AN UNDERSTORY ON A VACANT LOT. SPECIFICALLY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING DESIGN REVIEW, APPROVAL OF THE FINAL DESIGN DETAILS AND STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS OF THE NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOME. UM, THIS PROJECT WAS APPROVED, UH, BY THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD ON MARCH 5TH, 2024, UM, 2024. AND THEN, UM, SORRY, I APOLOGIZE, ON FEBRUARY 6TH, 2024. AND THEY CONTINUED THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO MARCH 5TH, 2024 ON MARCH 5TH, 2024. THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WAS APPROVED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LANDSCAPING ABUTTING THE BUILDING AND THE PORTION OF THE PROJECTS, ALONG WITH THE DETAILS OF THE STRUCTURAL COMPONENT. UH, COMPONENTS WERE REQUIRED TO BE REVIEWED BY THE BOARD PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE BUILDING PERMIT. SO THEY'RE HERE FOR THAT PURPOSE. IT, THE, THE ORDER REQUIRED THAT THEY COME BACK TO THE BOARD TO GET THE FINAL STRUCTURAL DETAILS OF THE ROOFING ELEMENTS, UM, APPROVED. UM, THE, THE ROOF, UM, IS DESIGNED USING, UH, PRETTY, UH, ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT WILL BE, WILL BE GOING THROUGH. IT INVOLVES THE USE OF GLASS FIBER, REINFORCED CONCRETE PANELS, A STEEL STRUCTURE, STEEL SHEETS, AS WELL AS WATERPROOFING LAYERS. UM, IT ALLOWS FOR ATYPICAL SHAPES TO BE BUILT. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS SHOWN OTHER EXAMPLES OF THIS TECHNOLOGY BEING USED. UM, AND SO STAFF HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THE PROPOSED TECHNOLOGY BEING USED, UM, AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION. SO THAT'S IT ON OUR END. . HI. GOOD AFTERNOON. I HOPE EVERYONE ENJOYED THEIR LUNCH. UM, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY AND APPRECIATE YOU STAYING FOR THIS APPLICATION. UH, EMILY BALTER DEL FERNANDEZ TAP, HIS OFFICE IS AT 200 SOUTH BISCAY BOULEVARD. I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF MAURICIO RIVERA KIRSCHNER AND HIS SINGLE FAMILY HOME AT 4 4 1 0 ALTON ROAD. UH, AS ROGELIO MENTIONED, THIS IS A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH AN UNDERSTORY THAT CAME BEFORE THIS BOARD AND WAS APPROVED IN DECEMBER. AT THAT TIME, WE AGREED, UH, TO BIFURCATE THE DESIGN FROM THE LANDSCAPE. AND THEN WE CAME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD, UM, AND PRESENTED, AND THE LANDSCAPE WAS APPROVED IN MARCH. UH, THESE APPROVALS GAVE THE APPLICANT ASSURANCE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN AND PUT TOGETHER A REMARKABLE TEAM OF PROFESSIONALS. SO, AS, AS ROGELIO MENTIONED, WE'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE, TRULY BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS PROJECT, AND IT, AND IT REQUIRED THAT DIVISION OF ATTENTION, UM, WE'RE WE WOULD LIKE TODAY TO SHOW THE BOARD THE PROGRESS THAT WE'VE MADE, UH, TO MAKE THIS VISION A REALITY. UH, THE BOARD ASKED AND WE AGREED TO COME BACK WITH DETAILS OF THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS, UH, THE FINISHES, THE STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS, AND REALLY HOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA MAKE THIS ROOF HAPPEN. UM, [03:10:01] SO I'M EXCITED TO PRESENT THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND INTRODUCE YOU TO THIS EXTRAORDINARY TEAM. UM, BEFORE I DO THAT, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF'S REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT THE CONDITION TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD WITH THIS INFORMATION HAS BEEN SATISFIED. UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING APPROVAL CONSISTENT WITH THE UPDATED BOARD ORDER IN THE RECORD. UH, SO WITH ME TODAY, IN PERSON IS FARE JONE WITH NMD NOMADS, AS WELL AS MICHAEL COLLEAGUE MICHAEL LARKIN. UM, ON ZOOM WE HAVE PROBABLY 12 PEOPLE, , HOPEFULLY THEY STAYED AROUND, BUT IT INCLUDES, UH, FROM OWNERSHIP, MAURICIO RIVERA, KIRCHNER HIMSELF AND HIS ARCHITECTURAL TEAM. UM, WE HAVE OTHERS FROM NOMA DOES, UH, WE ALSO HAVE THE GENERAL CONTRACTORS FROM AMARILLA. WE HAVE THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS OF RECORD FROM AUTO OPTIMUS, UM, AS WELL AS GROUPO NH. SO WITH THAT, I'LL, I'LL PASS IT OVER. IF WE COULD PULL UP OUR PRESENTATION AND I'LL PASS IT OVER TO, UH, FARID TO, TO WALK YOU THROUGH IT. UM, SHOULD I MAKE IT FULL SCREEN OR NOT? YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND FOR THE TIME AND FOR EACH COME FROM R AND D, NO MATTER ARCHITECTS. UH, WELL, I HOPE THAT ALL THE TEAM IS THERE. I STILL THERE. I DON'T KNOW, BUT, UH, WELL, UH, PLEASE. UM, WELL, IN THE, IN THE LAST MONTH, WELL, WE WERE DOING A PRE-CONSTRUCTION PHASE, UH, FOR THE PROJECT BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE UNIQUE ELEMENTS THAT WE HAVE THERE, WE WERE DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH AND TALKING WITH, UH, DIFFERENT COMPANIES IN DIFFERENT, UH, COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD. UM, WE ARE WORKING IN THIS MOMENT. WE DID, UH, THIS, UH, DREAM TEAM WITH, UH, SEVERAL COMPANIES FROM MEXICO, ARGENTINA, SPAIN, UNITED STATES, UH, LOCAL FOR SURE, UH, ENGINEERS AND FOR LANDSCAPE, FOR CIVIL, FOR STRUCTURE, FOR SURE. UH, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH, UH, SEVERAL COMPANIES OF GLASS, OF, UH, CONCRETE, UH, SELECTING THE PERFECT OR THE BEST, UH, SYSTEM FOR OUR PROJECT AND, UH, DOING ALL THE WORK TO GUARANTEE THAT THE DESIGN INTENT IS GOING TO BE, UH, LIKE THE ONE THAT, THAT WE ARE, WE DID, AND THE DESIGN AND THE OWNERS WANTED. AND, UH, ONE OF THE PRINCIPLE THINGS ABOUT MAINTENANCE, UH, AND WELL, IF YOU REMEMBER THE PROJECT, UH, WE ARE DESIGNING THIS, UH, MUSEUM HOUSE IS A, IS A, IS THE NAME THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WE TALK ABOUT THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE DIFFERENT INCREDIBLE ELEMENTS THAT THE OWNER WANT TO HAVE THERE, UH, IS A TROPICAL, MODERN HOUSE, UH, WITH, UH, UNDERSTORY AND TWO STORIES, UH, THERE AND WITH A INCREDIBLE CANOPY THAT IS THE FOCUS POINT OF THE DAILY LIFE IN THE HOUSE. AND FOR SURE THE CANOPY IS, UH, IS THE, IS THE GOAL, IS THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE HERE TO, UH, QUARANTINE. THAT THE IMAGE THAT YOU ARE SEEING IS THE ONE THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE IN THE FACT. UH, THAT'S WHY. AND, UH, IN THE THIS, UH, UM, SCHEME, I THINK THAT THIS DRAW, UH, IS A REALLY GOOD PROFESSIONAL BRIEF ABOUT WHAT, UH, ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING THERE. UH, WE ARE WORKING IN THIS MOMENT, UH, WITH A CONVENTIONAL, UH, CONCRETE STRUCTURE IN THE FER TWO STORIES. AND WE ARE WORKING FROM, UH, THE SECOND STORY TO, TO BUILD THE CANOPY WITH A STEEL, UH, STRUCTURE AND THIS PARAMETRIC SHAPE THAT WE ARE DOING WITH A CYLINDERS ELEMENT OF STEEL. UH, WE ALREADY HAVE THE COMPANY WHO DO THIS, AND, UH, IN THIS MOMENT WE ARE GOING BACK AND FORWARD WITH THE FINAL DESIGN ON, UM, CALCULATION OF THE ELEMENTS AND WITH THE COORDINATION WITH, UH, THE CONCRETE TEAM AND THE, UH, GFRC PANELS THAT WE NEED TO INSTALL OVER THE STEEL CANOPY. P UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS, UH, THE, THE RABBIT IMAGES OF THE PROJECT IN WHICH WE ARE SHOWING ALL THE SHAPE THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS, UH, PARAMETRIC STRUCTURE THAT IS IN THIS MOMENT, UH, IS A FEASIBLE IN A GEOMETRICAL COST AND IN A BUILDING WAY. UH, WE DID SEVERAL, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, GO, UM, BACK AND FORWARD WITH THE ENGINEERS, UH, SOLVING THE PERFECT ELEMENTS OF BUILDING DETAIL THAT WE NEED TO HAVE TO DO IT IN A RIGHT WAY IN THE FIELD [03:15:04] AT THE END OF THE DAY, JUST, UH, JUST BECAUSE THE SHAPE, UH, IT'S AN, UH, TYPICAL STEEL STRUCTURE IN THIS MOMENT. WE ARE WORKING WITH A-G-F-R-C COMPANY, UH, WITH A DIVISION OF SPAIN IN THE FINAL PAINTING OF THE, UH, OF THE FINISHING OF, OF THE, OF THE, OF THE ELEMENTS. UH, AND WE ARE DOING SEVERAL, UM, UH, AND DIFFERENT, UM, UM, PROOF ABOUT THE, THE, THE COLORS AND ABOUT THE TEXTURE OF THE, OF THE CONCRETE. I THINK THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE, THE REFERENCE PROJECT, UH, THAT WE CHECKED WITH THE COMPANIES. IT IS PRACTICALLY THE SAME THAT WE'RE GONNA, WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE STEELER STRUCTURE WITH THE GFRC CONCRETE, UH, UM, ELEMENTS, YOU KNOW, COVERING ALL THE, UH, STEEL STRUCTURE, NO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROJECT. AND, UH, IN THIS MOMENT WITH ALL THE WORK THAT WE DID IN THE LAST, UH, SEVEN OR EIGHT MONTHS, UH, I THINK THAT WE ARE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT THE PATH THAT WE ARE WORKING, AND WE ARE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY OF THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE AND THE CONSTRUCTION SYSTEM THAT WE SELECT. AND FOR SURE WITH THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE AND, UH, WITH, UH, ALL THE PROCESS THAT WE NEED TO COORDINATE TO, UH, TRANSFORM THIS, UH, DREAM IN EFFECT IN, UH, IN MIAMI BEACH. AND WE JUST HAVE THE SITE PLAN FROM OUR TEAM IS THERE, IS THE HEAD OF THE TECHNICAL, UH, TEAM OF THE OFFICE. UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION ABOUT THE PROCESS, I HOPE THAT CHRIS AND THE ENGINEERS AND THE STRUCTURAL, I THINK THAT THEY ARE THERE TOO. WE ARE ABSOLUTELY HAPPY TO RESPOND ANY KIND OF QUESTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDE YOUR, CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, . AND, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAD TO ADJUST THINGS, SO I I, WE ALL APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. THAT YOU WERE HERE AND YOU WAITED ALL APPRECIATE, AND IT WAS, IT MADE THINGS EASIER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK? ? NO HANDS ARE RAISED ONLINE. OKAY. THEN I'M NOW GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION, OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD FOR ANY COMMENT. UM, I'LL ACTUALLY BEGIN IN THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REASON THAT THIS WAS TO SAY CONTINUED WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ARCHITECT, THE ONE ARCHITECT THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOARD HAD SOME, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STRUCTURE AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY SHE'S NOT HERE TODAY, SO I'M, I I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE THAT LEAVES US. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, I, I SORT OF, I, I WAS REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING HER THOUGHTS ON THIS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE ABLE TO, I DUNNO WHAT I HAVE. I WASN'T EVEN HERE FOR THE, UH, INITIAL PRESENTATION, SO I'M NOT SURE. SO, SO TO CATCH YOU UP, OKAY, THIS IS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS VERY SPECTACULAR, VERY, UM, UNIQUE, INNOVATIVE, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE SORT OF LIKE VERY INNOVATIVE DESIGN. AND SHAUNA HAD SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT, AT LEAST AT THAT POINT, IS THIS WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING US? IS THAT STRUCTURALLY POSSIBLE AND ARE WE REALLY GONNA GET THIS? OR IS IT GONNA CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY? AND SO AS PART OF THE CONDITION, WE HAD THEM COME BACK SO SHE COULD REVIEW ONCE THEY DID, ONCE YOU DID ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE, JUST TO SEE, IN CASE IT DID, IN CASE YOU FOUND, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU FOUND PEOPLE TO SAY, YES, WE CAN MAKE THIS WORK. CERTAINLY, AND HERE'S HOW IT CAN BE HAPPENING. AND HER CONCERN WAS THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT. SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE BACK AGAIN. I SEE. SO, SO I DON'T, AND I, I MEAN, WHAT, I KNOW YOU HAVE ARCHITECTS ON YOUR STAFF, HOW YOU THINK THAT THEY DID SATISFY THE NEEDS, AND IT SOUNDS ALL THE TECHNICAL SOUNDS APPROPRIATE TO YOU. YES. I MEAN, IT'S, IT STILL NEEDS TO OBVIOUSLY GO THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THE STRUCTURAL REVIEW AND ALL THAT STUFF. WE DID MEET WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEY, THEY PRESENTED TO US OTHER EXAMPLES OF THIS TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE BEING APPROVED, NOT NECESSARILY IN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH, BUT IN OTHER PLACES. AND IT IS, IT IS FEASIBLE TO DESIGN, UH, A ROOF SYSTEM WITH THOSE CURVES AND, AND WITH THESE SHAPES THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, IT IS POSSIBLE TO DESIGN IT AND MEET THE WIND LOADS THAT ARE, THAT ARE REQUIRED HERE IN DADE COUNTY. UM, SO THEY, THEY SATISFIED OUR, OUR QUESTIONS, UM, THAT [03:20:01] WE HAD, UH, REGARDING THE FEASIBILITY OF THE PROJECT AND, AND WE THINK IT CAN PROCEED. AND, AND DID YOU HAVE THE SAME, UM, QUESTIONS THAT SHAUNA DID THAT WHEN SHE BROUGHT THOSE UP, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. WE ASKED ABOUT WATER DRAINAGE, ABOUT, UH, THE FEASIBILITY OF HOW IT'S ALL GONNA FUNCTION, HOW IT'S GONNA STAND, HOW IS, HOW ARE THE COLUMNS WORK UNDERNEATH, UM, UM, WATERPROOFING AND, AND REPAIRS MAINTENANCE OVER TIME, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A MAJOR ISSUE. UM, AND, AND THEY SATISFIED OUR, OUR, UH, QUESTIONS REGARDING, ITS, ITS FEASIBILITY AND LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE. OKAY. SO, UM, I JUST, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE, THEY'RE GOING AHEAD AND DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND GETTING ALL THE DOCUMENTATION CALCULATIONS, UH, FOR WIND LOAD AND, AND FABRICATION THAT IS REQUIRED. BUT THROUGH PERMITTING PROCESS, IF THIS DOESN'T MEET THE CODE, UH, FROM A STRUCTURAL STANDPOINT AND, AND ALL OF THE FOLLOWING, THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PERMITTED. SO ALL I THINK WE CAN ASK IS THAT IF, BECAUSE OF THE, IF DURING PERMITTING PROCESS, THE DESIGN CHANGES, CAN IT THEN BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD ABS WELL, WELL, STAFF WOULD SAY IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE DRB APPROVAL AND RIGHT. AND THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK, RIGHT? YEAH. RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET PERMITTED UNLESS IT MEETS THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE. SO I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THEM PROCEEDING, UM, IS I SAY MY ONE, MY, UM, MY, MY ONE CONCERN WITH THIS DESIGN, WHICH I HAD AIRED THAT CONCERN THE LAST TIMES YOU WERE HERE, IS WITH THE ROOF STRUCTURE. AND I REMEMBER THE ROOF STRUCTURE LOOKING DIFFERENT. DID IT CHANGE FROM WHAT YOU PRESENTED VERSUS NOW, OR? NO. SO WHAT WE INITIALLY PRESENTED, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS ON TOP, THE, THE LITTLE ON TOP OF THE ROOF. CORRECT. SO PART OF THE DIRECTION OF THIS BOARD WAS TO RECONSIDER THE ROOFTOP, UM, THAT WAS BUILT INTO THE ALREADY APPROVED ORDER. UM, SO AS PART OF ENGINEERING OF THIS ROOF STRUCTURE, THEY HAVE RECONCEPTUALIZED THOSE, THEY LOOKED, YOU, YOU REFERRED TO THEM AS BIRD CAGES PREVIOUSLY. MM-HMM. . UM, THEY HAVE RECONFIGURED THEM, BUT THIS IS STILL CONCEPTUAL. UM, BUT YES, IT HAS IMPROVED, CHANGED. WE SIMPLIFIED THE ELEMENTS ON THE ROOFTOP. UH, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT MAYBE THE, THE BREAKAGE WAS, UH, MAYBE A TWO FORMAL ADDITIONAL ELEMENT TO THE, TO THE ARCHITECTURE. AND WE SIMPLIFY AND THIS ELEMENT JUST FOR PROTECTION THAT WE NEED MM-HMM. FOR THE ELEVATORS ON THE STAIRS. AND, UH, THAT'S WHY IN THIS MOMENT IT'S JUST A CYLINDER. AND THEN, SO YEAH, WE REDUCED THE, THE HEIGHT. THE HEIGHT, THE, YEAH, THAT, I MEAN THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF MY MAIN CONCERNS. MM-HMM. BECAUSE, AND THAT'S WITH THE STRUCTURE OVERALL, IT, IT'S, IT'S VERY HIGH. I MEAN, IT'S ESSENTIALLY, I, I SAW IN ONE OF THE MATERIALS YOU SUBMITTED, I THINK IT WAS 51 FEET MM-HMM. FROM GROUND. I MEAN THAT, SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY A FIVE STORY BUILDING IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND UNLIKE SOME OF THE HOMES MAYBE ON NORTH BAY ROAD THAT ARE WATER FACING, YOU KNOW, I'M CONCERNED WITH THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE SCALE OF THIS BUILDING WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS DIRECT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IF IT WAS, SAY, ON THE WATER SIDE OF NORTH MAY ROAD, THERE'S NOBODY BEHIND THEM. UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE HOUSE IS SET BACK, IT'S, BUT THIS IS, YOU'VE GOT HOUSES ALL AROUND. THIS IS A LANDLOCKED LOT. I KNOW IT'S A LARGE LOT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A VERY LARGE HOUSE. BUT TO ADD HEIGHT AND TO ADD HEIGHT AND TO ADD HEIGHT, AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE DESIGN, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK SORT OF SOARING. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THIS UNDULATION LIKE IT'S FLYING, WHICH IS VERY BEAUTIFUL, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THESE ROOF STRUCTURES. AND SO I, I, I THINK I REALLY APPRECIATE THE DESIGN WITHOUT THE ROOF ELEMENTS. I THINK THAT THE ROOF ELEMENTS MAKE IT LESS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I THINK IT ALSO TAKES AWAY SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THE INTEREST IN THE ROOF LINE. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ELEVATOR, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS ON THE ROOF. BUT I WOULD JUST, I THINK THAT DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY ENHANCED IF THAT WAS NOT NECESSARILY RECREATIONAL AMENITY UP THERE, BUT IT WAS JUST A ROOF. UM, AND THAT WAS WHEN I MEANT MY COMMENT LAST TIME, AND I STICK WITH IT, ALTHOUGH THAT THIS IS MAYBE LIGHTENED UP A LITTLE BIT. IT'S THAT ANYTHING IS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANYTHING ON THERE. AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT, AGAIN, WITH [03:25:01] THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND ONE OF OUR MAIN CHARGES AS THE DRB IS TO ENSURE THAT ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS. AND I FEEL LIKE WITH THIS DESIGN, IT'S NOT, AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE LOWER STRUCTURES, IT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT. SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY OTHER, UH, BOARD MEMBERS WOULD SAY. YEAH. BUT I, I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THAT. ROGELIO, I'M READING THE, UM, UH, ME MEMORANDUM, UH, STAFF REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION. IT SAYS THAT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT ALLOWED IN THE AREA IS 50 FEET, AND THE PROPOSED HEIGHT IS 40 FEET, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO FOUR STORIES. YEAH. ON THERE, 30 50, IT'S, BUT WITH THE HIGHEST PROJECTION BEING 55, AND THOSE, I ASSUME ARE THE BIRD CAGES. OH, YOU OKAY. YES. THE, SO THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT LIMIT IS 31 FEET, BUT WE DO ALLOW FOR HEIGHT EXCEPTIONS, UM, UP TO, I BELIEVE 20 FEET ABOVE THE, ABOVE THE ROOF LINE FOR, UM, UH, ROOFTOP DECKS FOR ELEVATOR, UH, CORES FOR ELEV, UM, FOR SOME OTHER FEATURES THAT ARE, THAT ARE OPEN AIR. SO IN THIS CASE, UM, IF THEY'RE AT 40 FEET THAT'S WITHOUT THE BIRD CAGES, YOU ALLOW FOR AN ADDITIONAL ROOFTOP YOU JUST MENTIONED OF FIVE FEET. THE ROOF, THE ROOF LINE CANNOT EXCEED 31 FEET. SO THE, THE, THE CURBS FOR THE, FOR THE ROOF DECK, THE, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE CODE. UM, THE, THE ROOF DECK CAN ONLY OCCUPY A PERCENTAGE OF THE ROOFTOP. I BELIEVE IT'S 25 20. LET ME, LET ME LOOK UP THE CODE SECTION, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS 2020, CORRECT. 20% OF THE ROOFTOP. I ALSO THOUGHT THAT ANYTHING ON THE ROOF COULDN'T BE SOLID COVER, OR IS THAT I COULD BE WRONG. UH, ELEVATOR COURSE CAN, AND A SMALL ELEVATOR, UH, LOBBY CAN, EVERYTHING ELSE HAS TO BE OPEN, BUT THEY'RE A LOT, THE HEIGHT OF THESE BIRD CAGES IS HOW, HOW MUCH FROM GROUND TO, FROM TOP TO TO BOTTOM EIGHT FEET, FROM TOP TO BOTTOM EIGHT IS THE MINIMUM THAT WE CAN HAVE IN A TECHNICAL WAY. I'M SORRY, EIGHT, EIGHT FEET. YEAH. IT'S THE MINIMUM THAT WE CAN HAVE IN A TECHNICAL WAY. UHHUH. SO THESE BIRD CAGES ARE EIGHT FEET HIGH. YEAH. AND, AND THAT IS ALLOWED BY CODE ROGELIO. YEAH. LET ME LOOK UP THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT I BELIEVE SO. YEAH. LET ME, LET ME LOOK UP THE EXACT NUMBER SO I CAN, AND WE HAVE ALL THE SETBACKS THAT THE CODE, UH, REQUIRE FOR, YOU KNOW, REDUCE THE, THE MM-HMM. THE VISION FROM THE STREET. MM-HMM. TO THAT POINT. MM-HMM. . AND, AND THROUGH THE CHAIR, IF I MAY, WE, WE DID AGREE IN THE EXISTING BOARD ORDER TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT, UM, BELOW THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED, SO WE'RE NOT MAXING OUT HEIGHT. RIGHT. EVERYTHING UNIT SIZE SETBACKS, EVERYTHING FULLY COMPLIES WITH THE CODE. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I MEAN, AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S TO MINIMIZE THAT IMPACT THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THE CODE. UM, AND CLEARLY WITH THE DESIGN OF THE ENTIRE HOUSE, YOU'VE REALLY LIKE GOTTEN VERY CREATIVE, WHICH IS WHAT IS ALLOWED UNDER THE CODE, YOU KNOW, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY INTERESTING. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S SO MUCH, UM, AND JUST WITH THE DESIGN, A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING MAKES IT LOOK TALLER OR SHORTER. YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE REVIEW THE UNDERST STORIES TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T, IT STILL READS AS A HOUSE AS OPPOSED TO A THREE STORY BUILDING. AND WITH THIS, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S JUST OUT OF PROPORTION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST THE, THE DESIGN THAT MAYBE IF, AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD DO THIS IF SAY THE ROOF STRUCTURE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE SIMPLER, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT. BUT IT IS, AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD TAKE THAT AWAY, LIKE THAT'S A MAJOR ELEMENT, BUT IT'S, IT'S, THERE ARE DESIGN CHOICES THAT WERE MADE THAT I THINK WERE GOOD, BUT AS A WHOLE, IT COMES ACROSS AS BEING OUT OF PROPORTION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, AND, AND THAT WAS WHY I WAS AGAINST THE ROOF STRUCTURES. IN ADDITION, I HAPPENED TO ALSO FEEL LIKE THE ROOF ITSELF IS BUSY ENOUGH. AND JUST FROM A DESIGN AESTHETIC PERSPECTIVE, IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S JUST, I THINK THE BUILDING ITSELF WOULD LOOK A LOT BETTER WITHOUT HAVING THE ACTIVATION ON THE ROOF AND THAT YOU COULD APPROPRIATELY HIDE THE ELEVATOR AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE AIR CONDITIONING SCREENING WHERE YOU WOULDN'T NOTICE IT, BUT AS DESIGNED WITH ALL OF THESE OTHER SEATING AREAS AND, AND AMENITIES THAT COUNTERACTS THAT. AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST FIGHTING THE ROOF BECAUSE IT'S ALSO VERY BUSY. IT'S NOT JUST ONE THING. YOU HAVE ALL THESE SWIRLY DIFFERENT THINGS. IT'S THE ENTIRE ROOF. IT'S THE ENTIRE ROOF. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH, UM, THE COMMENTS JUST MADE, BUT ROGELIO, CAN YOU EXPLAIN IF THE HIGHEST PROJECTION IS 55 FEET AND THE MAXIMUM [03:30:01] ALLOWED IS 50 FEET, SO THE, THE HIGHEST PROJECTION IS THE, SO THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT EXCEPTIONS ARE ACTUALLY 10 FEET. UM, SO IF THE HEIGHT LIMIT IS 31 FEET, THEN THE PROJECTIONS COULD GO UP TO 41 FEET. UM, AND SO THAT'S, UM, UM, THE ROOFTOP DECK. SO, SO FOR ALLOWABLE HEAD EXCEPTIONS, WE ALLOW FOR ELEVATOR BULKHEAD LOCATED AS CLOSE TO THE CENTER OVER THE ROOF AS POSSIBLE. UH, AND TO BE VISUALLY RECESSIVE. SO IT DID NOT, DO NOT BECOME VERTICAL EXTENSIONS OF THE EXTERIOR BUILDING ELEVATIONS. WE DO ALLOW FOR SOME COVERED STRUCTURES, WHICH ARE OPEN ON ALL SIDES AND DO NOT EXTEND THE INTERIOR HABITABLE SPACE. AND SUCH STRUCTURES SHALL NOT EXCEED A COMBINED AREA OF 20% OF THE ENCLOSED FLOOR AREA BELOW, IMMEDIATELY, BELOW, AND SHALL BE SET BACK A MINIMUM OF 10 FEET FROM THE PERIMETER OF THE ENCLOSED FLOOR BELOW. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ROOFTOP EXCEPTION THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ARE, UH, PARAPET WALLS. THE ONLY ONE ASSOCIATED WITH THE HABITABLE ROOF DECK, OR WHEN USED TO SCREEN THE TOP OF MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT WHEN ASSOCIATED WITH THE HABITABLE DECK, THE PARAPET WALLS SHALL NOT EXCEED THREE FEET, SIX INCHES ABOVE THE FINISHED ROOF DECK HEIGHT. UH, AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE BASICALLY THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT EXCEPTIONS THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE UTILIZING WHAT THE HUNT IS THERE. SO WE'RE, IF YOU CAN BRING IT UP, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS. IT'S ARCHITECTURAL PLANS TOO. IT HAS, IT'S A DRAWING THAT HAS THE, THE ELEVATION. IT'S AN ELEVATION. THE ELEVATION, LET'S SEE, IT'S THE, UH, EAST ELEVATION. IF YOU'RE, LOOK, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT 50 FEET, YOU MAY BE LOOKING AT THE MEASUREMENT FROM GRADE. YEAH. UM, AS OPPOSED TO THE MEASUREMENT FROM THE, FROM THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION PLUS FREEBOARD. YES. WHICH DOESN'T COUNT. SO MAYBE THAT'S, MAYBE THAT'S WHERE, WHERE THE WELL, THIS IS, I MEAN, THIS IS HOW THE CODE IS THAT IT'S, OKAY, THERE'S, THIS IS THE MAX AND THEN MM-HMM. , THERE'S FREEBOARD AND THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I WANNA, I I I, I THINK WE NEED TO ALWAYS LOOK AT FROM THE GROUND, RIGHT. THE EARTH TO THE ABSOLUTE TOP OF THE BUILDING. MM-HMM. , WHICH ACCORDING TO THEIR ELEVATION IS 51 FEET. YEAH. YES. FROM GRADE. YES, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. YOU KNOW, WITH THIS DOUBLE LOT, VERY LARGE. AND SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT I'M HAVING. AND I REALIZE THAT IT IS. YEAH. AND YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT COUNTING THE HEIGHT UNTIL YOU GET ABOVE THE FREE BOARD. THAT'S WHERE WE START MEASURING YOUR HEIGHT. RIGHT. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE 51 FEET OF HEIGHT THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE EAST ELEVATION PAGE AT LEAST IS ALLOWED, EVEN THOUGH THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED IS 50 FEET, THE, ACCORDING TO THE MEMORANDUM, THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED IS, IS 31 FEET PLUS THE 10 FEET OF PROJECTION. SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY 41, 41 FEET. UM, AND THEN EVERYTHING BELOW THEIR FREEBOARD IS, IS NOT COUNTED AS PART OF THEIR HEIGHT LIMIT. SO FROM WHEREVER THE SIDEWALK IS TO THE BASE FLAT ELEVATION PLUS FREEBOARD, THAT DOESN'T COUNT AS PART OF THEIR HEIGHT LIMIT, WE START MEASURING YOUR HEIGHT FROM THAT POINT UP. SO THAT MAY BE, I THINK IS 10 THAT MAY BE HIGHER THAN THE SIDEWALK. THAT'S PROBABLY, YEAH. FOUR OR FIVE FEET HIGHER THAN MAYBE SIX FEET HIGHER THAN THE SIDEWALK LEVEL. YEAH. UM, I'M SORRY. I THINK THAT ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THING TO, TO, TO TALK AND TO UNDERSTAND, AND I AGREE ABOUT THE, UH, MAYBE IF YOU SEE THE HOUSE, IT'S, IT'S TOO HARD. BUT THE THING IS, UH, THE CITY INCREASED OR THE FEMA INCREASED, THE CROWNS IS THREE, THREE FEET FOR THE 2025. IF WE RECEIVE THE REQUIREMENT TO DESIGN WITH THE NEW CROWN OF THE STREET, THAT'S FOR SURE. THAT THEN WITH THE NEW CROWN OF THE STREET, WITH THE NEW REQUIREMENTS OF FEMA, THAT ALL HOUSES ARE UNDER THE LEVEL OF THE WATER. THAT'S ONE OF THE THING THAT, BECAUSE YOU SEE MAYBE THIS IN THIS WAY, BECAUSE WHEN YOU SEE THE, THE, THE, THE NEW FEMA REQUIREMENTS RIGHT. IS OVER THE LEVEL OF ALL THE HOUSES IN THE, THE ALL HOUSES IN THE AREA, RIGHT? YEAH. NO, I'M NOT, I, I, I'M, I AGREE ESPECIALLY IN LIEU OF WHAT JUST HAPPENED, UM, WITH THE, HER, WITH HURRICANE HELENE. I'M NOT SAYING LOWER THE LOWEST FLOOR, I'M JUST SAYING THE, THE, THE STRUCTURES THAT YOU PUT ON THE ROOF, YOU KNOW, ARE JUST EXCESSIVE. YEAH. ROGELIO AND I, I'M SORRY, BUT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING. MM-HMM. , IF THE PROPOSED IS A 40 FOOT HEIGHT, UM, FOUR STORY STRUCTURE, THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED IS 50. THE, THE, SO THE, THE HEIGHT LIMIT TO THE ROOF IS 31 FEET, AND THEN YOU'RE ALLOWED SOME MINIMUM MINIMAL EXCEPTIONS ABOVE THAT OF UP TO 10 FEET, WHICH MAKES IT IT 41. THAT'S 41. OKAY. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO SUBTRACT FROM THERE THE, [03:35:01] AND SO THEN EVERYTHING BELOW, YEAH, EVERYTHING BELOW, WE DON'T COUNT AS PART OF YOUR HEIGHT LIMIT. YEAH. 38, EVERYTHING BELOW THE, THE THREE, THE UNDER STORY AND HOW HEIGHT, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THAT? IT DEPENDS ON THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION AND THE, AND THE GRADE. UM, LET ME PULL IT UP REAL QUICK. THERE'S NOT MUCH LOOKS. 1313 THEY'RE USING, THEY'RE USING, THEY'RE MAXING IT OUT. THE FREE BOARD IS IS FIVE FEET. UM, I'M, LET ME LOOK UP WHERE THE GREAT ELEVATION IS HERE. IT SAID THAT THE UNDERSTORY CEILING IS 15. SO FROM THE GROUND TO THE CEILING OF THE UNDERSTORY UNDERSTORY IS 15 UNDER IS 15 FEET. SO IT'S 15 PLUS THE 31 PLUS THE TENT. SO MADAM CHAIR, CAN I JUST, SORRY, GIVE A, SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING. WE DID WANNA GIVE ALL THE DIFFERENT MEASUREMENTS HOW YOU COULD MEASURE HEIGHT, BUT YOU ALL HAVE TO REMEMBER THE GENESIS OF ALL OF THIS IS WHEN THERE'S A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE AND THE CITY ZONING CODE, THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE IN ANTICIPATION OF SEA LEVEL RISE, SAID YOU ALL MUST PUT YOUR SLAB AT BASE LEVEL ELEVATION PLUS ONE PLUS ONE. BUT THEN THE CITY ZONING CODE'S, LIKE, WELL, THEY MIGHT SAY THAT, BUT WE MEASURE FROM GRADE. AND SO IT PENALIZED PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO BE MORE RESILIENT. SO THE CITY THOUGHTFULLY REVISED THE ZONING CODE AND SAID, OKAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA PENALIZE YOU ANYMORE. WE'RE NOT GONNA MEASURE HEIGHT FROM GRADE. WE'RE GONNA MEASURE HEIGHT FROM BASE LETTER ELEVATION PLUS FREEBOARD IN ORDER TO ENCOURAGE RESILIENCY. I TELL YOU, EVERY CLIENT THAT APPROACHES ME NOW WANTS TO DO AN UNDERSTORY. THEY DON'T WANT ANY HOUSE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE STREET WHERE ALMOST ALL HOMES ARE GONNA BE UNDERST STORIES THAT YOU ALL WILL CONSIDER GOING FORWARD. SO HERE, WHAT OUR CLIENT HAS OFFERED TO DO, WE UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN THAT WE ARE JUST ADDING MASSING ON TOP OF MASSING, SO WE CAN SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE THE CLADDING, UH, SURROUND THESE ROOFTOP FEATURES AND JUST BRING IT DOWN TO WHAT'S ABSOLUTELY MINIMUM TO SCREEN THE AC AND THE ELEVATOR, UH, TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THERE'S TOO MUCH HEIGHT, BUT WE ARE DOING THINGS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CODE. YEAH. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET TRICKY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. IS IT POSSIBLE TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT OF THE UNDERSTORY? THAT, THAT, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM LOOKING AT THIS, THE MINIMUM, UH, ELEVATION DRAWING IS 15 FEET. I THINK IN HEIGHT MINIMUM. GO AHEAD. YEAH, WE'RE IN THE MINIMUM BEATABLE. WE HAVE, UH, LESS TIME FEET. OKAY. SO THERE, UH, THIS SAYS 15 FEET. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT CORRECT 'CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE AT THE MINIMUM. UH, BECAUSE YES. SO THE, THE CLEAR SPACE IS THE MINIMUM THAT WE HAVE IN THIS MOMENT. THE, THE 15 FEET IS ESSENTIALLY FROM GENERALLY C LEVEL. SO, OKAY. SO IT'S PROBABLY THE GRADE IS PROBABLY AT FOUR. I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME HERE. YEAH. SO IT'S ABOUT FOUR. BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE WOULD BE, SO THEN, SO THEN YOU'RE REALLY THE 15 MINUS FOUR, YOU'RE REALLY AT NINE FEET ABOVE GRADE. NINE FEET. WE HAVE LESS THAN THAT. AND THAT'S BASICALLY THE ROOF, THE, THE SPACE BETWEEN THE FLOOR OF THE UNDERSTORY AND THE CEILING OF THE UNDERSTORY. EXACTLY. YEAH. I THINK, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD. MY ISSUE ISN'T WITH THE UNDERSTORY, I THINK THEY'RE VERY USEFUL AND I'M HAPPY TO SEE MORE OF THOSE PROJECTS. MY ISSUE IS ON THE ONE HAND WITH HOW THE CODE IS WRITTEN, NOW THAT WE ARE DOING UNDERST STORIES, I THINK THERE ALSO NEEDS TO BE AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT MAYBE BECAUSE WE'RE RAISING THE UNDERSTORY FOR VERY APPROPRIATE REASONS, THAT MAYBE THERE SHOULDN'T BE THESE ROOFTOP STRUCTURES THAT THOSE WHICH ARE UNNECESSARY. UM, THOSE ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. AND I THINK IN THIS CASE, NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE THESE ROOF STRUCTURES, BUT FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, THEY'RE INTERFERING WITH YOUR DESIGN. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE HOW YOUR CLIENT WANTS TO HAVE A HABITABLE ROOF, BUT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF MAKING THIS A REALLY EXQUISITE, NOTABLE DESIGN, THOSE ROOF STRUCTURES ARE COUNTERACTING THE EFFECT. AND, AND I, I THINK IT'S, I THINK THE DESIGN WOULD BE MUCH MORE STRONG IF IT DIDN'T HAVE THOSE. IN ADDITION, IT'S NOT THESE, THE HEIGHT THAT'S BEING CREATED, WHICH ALTHOUGH THAT WITH THIS DESIGN IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT MAYBE IF THE LOT WAS IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION, IT WOULD BE. BUT IN THIS PLOT OF LAND, IN THIS CONTEXT, IN THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION, THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE AS PROPOSED, I DO NOT THINK IS APPROPRIATE AND IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR INSURING. AND, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS MAY MEET THE, THE ZONING CODE. NO, IT, OTHERWISE IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE. UM, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE SEE IS THAT IT DOES NOT BLEND WITH THE REST OF THE HOMES COMMUNITY THAT THIS HOME IS BEING BUILT ON. UM, IT JUST STICKS OUT. AND IF IT WERE FURTHER BACK [03:40:01] RECESS, BUT YOU CAN'T, 'CAUSE USUALLY THOSE LOTS ARE ABOUT 120 DEEP, UM, AND THERE'S HOUSES BEHIND IT AND THERE'S HOUSES BEHIND IT. SO YOU, YOU CAN'T, UM, IT, THERE'S NO WAY FOR IT TO BLEND. AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT IT DOESN'T WORK WITH THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT IT MEETS THE CODE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN TAKE, THAT'S A STAND OTHERWISE IS, I MEAN, I THINK WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE CHAIR. IF I CAN ASK A PROCEDURAL QUESTION ON THAT POINT. UM, SO WE HAVE DESIGN REVIEW, BOARD APPROVAL, AND WE HAVE LANDSCAPE APPROVAL. AND WE CAME BEFORE THIS BOARD, AND I'M ASKING IT OF ROGELIO, THEY ALREADY GOT, WE CAME BEFORE THIS BOARD SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS CONDITION C MM-HMM. UM, AT THIS TIME, CAN WE ADD ANOTHER CONDITION, UM, SAYING THAT WE WOULD AGREE TO REVIEW WELL AND MINIMIZE ANY ADDITIONAL ROOF STRUCTURES TO THE MINIMUM EXTENT NECESSARY WITH STAFF? I MEAN, I THOUGHT THAT THE, THAT THE ORDER WAS THAT THE ROOF STRUCTURE WOULD BE ADDRESSED. I MEAN, YOU CHANGED THE ROOF STRUCTURE FROM WHAT WE SAW AND FROM WHAT WE SORT OF APPROVED UNDER THE CONDITION THAT YOU WOULD WORK WITH STAFF TO MINIMIZE IT. AND IT, IT, IT, IT HASN'T BEEN MINIMIZED TO THE EFFECT THAT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE. SO I DO THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS. AND, AND, AND RA, IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO TO, I ALSO WAS VERY MUCH UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT ONE OF OUR MAJOR CRITERIA TO REVIEW ON IS IT IS A STRUCTURE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND EVEN IF IT DOES MEET THE ZONING CODE, IF IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE, THEN WE DO NOT HAVE TO APPROVE IT. MM-HMM. . AND SO, BUT THEN WHY DID WE, IN THE LAST MEETING, BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO CHANGE IT AND THEY DIDN'T CHANGE IT IN THE WAY THAT I THINK THEN IT DOESN'T GET EFFECT APPROVED UNTIL IT GETS CHANGED EFFECTIVELY. YES. IT DOESN'T GET APPROVED UNTIL IT GETS CHANGED. AND I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS ONLY COMING BACK BECAUSE, UM, A BOARD MEMBER EXPRESSED CONCERN WITH THE, WITH THAT ROOF STRUCTURE BEING STRUCTURALLY SOUND, UH, WHICH TO ME, IF IT'S NOT STRUCTURALLY SOUND, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET THE PERMIT CORRECT. NOW, IF IT'S NOT, UM, UH, WHAT'S THE WORD THAT YOU USED? IF IT DOESN'T BLEND WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE ALTOGETHER. BUT THE, THE PRIMARY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M NOT CHALLENGING YOUR AUTHORITY TO FURTHER SHAPE THE DESIGN, BUT THIS LAST HEARING, YOU KNOW, THIS LAST PART OF THE TRIPLET, THIS TRINITY THAT WE'RE ON, WAS JUST REALLY TO DISCUSS THE CONSTRUCTABILITY. 'CAUSE IT WAS AN UNUSUAL DESIGN AND THAT WAS WHAT SHAUNA HAD REQUESTED. BUT MADAM CHAIR, AGAIN, I'M NOT DISPUTING, YOU WANT THE ROOFTOP FURTHER ADDRESSED AND I THINK THAT'S FINE, BUT WHAT I'M ASKING YOU ALL IS WOULD YOU AGREE TO A CONDITION TO SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE ALL THE ROOFTOP STRUCTURES? LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU CALL THEM BIRD CAGES, I DON'T KNOW THAT'S THE BEST TERM, BUT IT'S DESCRIPTIVE TERM. UM, WE'LL JUST REDUCE THEM DOWN TO THE MINIMUM NECESSARY TO SCREEN THEM. IT COULD ONLY BE LIKE FIVE FEET ABOVE THE ROOF, YOU KNOW, FOR THE AC I MEAN, WHAT IS WITH THE INSISTENCE OF HAVING THAT BE A HABITABLE AMENITY? I MEAN, IS THAT, WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT IN A TECHNICAL WAY, WE NEED TO PROTECT THE, THE STAIRS AND THE ELEVATOR. I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THAT'S IT. WE JUST, WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF A, A VEGETABLE AREA THERE. IT'S JUST A DOOR IN A SMALL LOBBY TO PROTECT THE DOOR OF THE ELEVATOR THAT RIGHT. SO YOU CAN ACCESS THE AIR CONDITIONING AND THE ELEVATOR MACHINE ROOM. NO, THAT WE ARE, WE'RE SELECTING IN THIS MOMENT, UH, VACUUM ELEVATOR FOR EXAMPLE, TO REDUCE THE HIGH OF THE ELEVATOR BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A MACHINE ROOM IN THE TOP OF THE ELEVATOR BECAUSE WE, THAT WE NEED MORE HIRE. THAT'S WHY WE ARE CHANGE. WE CHANGING THE SYSTEM. IT'S, UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT WE DID IT TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT OF THE ELEMENT IN THE ELEVATOR. RIGHT. AND FOR THE STAIRS, WE JUST NEED THE, THE MINIMUM BY CODE TO, UH, HAVE A, A DOOR AND TO, UM, GO INTO THE HOUSE IN THE, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE STAIRS. THAT, THAT, THAT'S IT. WE, WE ARE TRYING TO DO THE MINIMUM THAT WE, WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT BY CODE IN AN NUT TECHNICAL WAY. RIGHT. AND I DON'T THINK THE BIRD CAGES ARE THE ONLY ISSUE THAT KEEP THIS PROJECT FROM BEING COMPATIBLE WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK IT'S THE ROOF ITSELF, UM, AND THE BIRD CAGES OR, YOU KNOW, THE ELEVATOR HOUSING IS A ANOTHER ISSUE, BUT IT'S THE ROOF ITSELF. IT JUST, UM, WHILE BEAUTIFUL, IT'S JUST NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HEARD AT THE LAST MEETING AND WHAT I'M HEARING AGAIN THIS TIME. I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T ACTUALLY, I DON'T MIND THE ROOF. I JUST THINK THAT THE, THEN I'M WRONG. WHAT? YOU'RE I'M WRONG. THANK YOU. BUT I DO THINK THAT WHAT YOU'VE PLOPPED ON TOP OF IT GOES, IT, IT, THE [03:45:01] BUILDING SHOULD END AT THAT REALLY PRETTY ROOF. THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY. AND THAT THE, I DON'T THINK THAT THE ROOF, AND I THOUGHT I WAS MORE CLEAR WITH THIS THE LAST TIME, BUT I GUESS I WASN'T THAT THE THERE, THE ROOF SHOULD NOT BE HABITABLE SPACE. IT JUST SHOULD BE ACCESS THAT. AND BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING AMENITIES UP THERE. IT'S COUNTERMANDING THE BEAUTY OF THE ROOF. AND LIKE I SAID, IT JUST, IT, IT MAKES IT, MYRA'S POINT WAS THAT SHE FELT THE ROOF ITSELF WASN'T COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT WITH THIS ADDITION, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BRINGING IT, IT'S PUSHING THE BOUNDARIES EVEN MORE. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT, SO I THINK THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE OBJECTION. AND, UM, WHY WOULD YOU, IF, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA, IF THE ROOF IS NOT GONNA BE A HABITABLE SPACE, WHY WOULD YOU NEED ACCESS TO IT? WHY WOULD THERE NEED TO BE A STAIR? UH, THIS MOMENT WE, WE HAVE, UH, JUST A ROOFTOP TO, TO OUR CLIENT WANTS TO GO THERE TO SEE THE CITY, RIGHT? THAT'S IT. UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF ACTIVITY THERE. UH, WE DON'T HAVE A, A BEATABLE A A BEATABLE AREA. WE DON'T HAVE G WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THERE. JUST, JUST, UH, AND A SPACE TO, TO SEE THE CITY. THAT'S, IT'S A SMALL, IT'S, IT'S NOT A BIG AREA THERE. WE ARE JUST INCLUDING, UH, THE, THE, THE LANDSCAPE THERE TO DO MORE, UH, HUMAN SPARE, HUMAN ENJOYABLE AREA. THAT THAT'S IT. BUT IT'S A, IT'S A MEDITATION TERRACE. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT, THAT, THAT IS EXACTLY THE, THE REQUIREMENT OF THE, OF THE CLIENT. IT'S A MEDITATION, UH, TERRACE. AND, UH, WE ARE PREVENTING, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH ELEVATOR, UM, ACCESSIBILITY YEAH. FOR THE FUTURE. AND, UH, WE ARE, WE ELIMINATE EVERY, UH, ANOTHER KIND OF ACTIVITY THERE. YEAH. IN, UH, IN OUR, IN OUR PROPOSAL. IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU COULD 'CAUSE THE, REALLY, THE, THE NECESSITIES, THE NECESSITIES THAT YOU WOULD NEED ON THE ROOF ARE A, A BIT OF HEIGHT FOR THE ELEVATOR, FOR THE ELEVATOR SHAFT, AND THEN ALSO FOR SCREENING FOR ANY OF THE, I'M SEEING LIKE AN AIR CONDITIONING UNIT. MM-HMM. AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I CAN UNDERSTAND THE, THE ELEVATOR LOCATION IS PRETTY FIXED. UM, BUT IF YOU JUST ADDED THE AREA, THE SCREENING FOR THE AIR CONDITIONING MADE IT VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THE ELEVATOR SHAFT. AND THAT WAS ALL THAT WAS ON THERE. UM, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. WE HAVE AN OPTION THAT, THAT, UM, I CAN, I CAN EXTEND TO THE OWNER. I THINK THAT HE'S GONNA, HE, HE IS, I THINK HE, HE AGREE WITH THAT. MM-HMM. , UH, WE CAN CHANGE THE, THE ELEVATOR FOR AN EXPENSIVE ONE. MM-HMM. WITH A PROTECTED DOOR THERE. AND WE CAN CHANGE THE COVERING FOR GLASS. MAYBE THIS COULD BE LESS, UH, PRESENT IN THE, IN THE, IN THE, AND THE, FROM, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE, OF THE, OF THE PEOPLE, OF PEOPLE, OF THE NEIGHBORS WAS, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY THIS, THE ELEVATOR, IS THERE ELEVATOR ACCESS TO THE ROOF? IT WAS SUPPOSED TO SERVE THE ROOF AS WELL. YEAH. NO, AND THAT'S ONE WE HAVE, WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE ROOF WITH THE ELEVATOR. THE ELEVATOR. SO, AND THEN THE STAIR IS JUST EXTRA. YEAH. BECAUSE WE, BECAUSE FIRE, WE, WE CAN'T HAVE ANYONE THERE, UH, WITHOUT, UH, AN EGRESS, UH, RIGHT AREA THERE. YEAH. IT WAS EXIT THERE. YEAH. WHAT IS THE AREA THAT'S OVAL? UM, IT APPEARS LIKE A SEATING AREA THAT'S ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. OH, I THINK THIS MIGHT BE THE AC UNITS. THE AC UNITS. IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK SO. WHITE BOX ONE. ONE OTHER THING THAT, THAT WE WANTED TO, TO SHOW IN ONE OF THE RENDERING FROM THE, FROM THE STREET IS THAT WITH, UH, WITH THE SETBACK THAT WE HAVE MM-HMM. THERE, UH, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE THE ELEMENT FROM THE STREET. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, I THINK THAT 15 I AGREE. YEAH. FEET BETWEEN THE, THE BORDER AND THE, YEAH. IT'S, IT'S, WE PUT IT IN, IN THE CENTER OF THE STRUCTURE. WE TRY TO REDUCE TO MINIMUM TECHNICAL, UH, FOR TECHNICAL VISIBILITY, WE REDUCE IT. BUT, UH, MAYBE WE CAN CHANGE THE, THE FINISHES BY GLASS IS, IS, IS GONNA LOOK MAYBE MORE, MORE SIMPLE. WELL, AND I, I ALSO, I, I WAS THI I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT. I COULD TELL THAT THAT'S WHY YOU PUT THAT PICTURE IN. BUT THEN THAT WAS WHEN I STARTED THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE BEHIND THIS HOUSE AND THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA SEE IT. THEY'RE LOWER, BUT THEY'RE HIGHER, BUT THEY'RE LOWER. THEY'RE GONNA SEE IT. AND AGAIN, AND THIS IS WHEN IT, THIS IS WHEN I STARTED THINKING VERY CRITICALLY ABOUT THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE STRUCTURE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO THE POINT OF THE HEIGHT. I MEAN, THE VIEWS THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET FROM THAT SECOND STORY, WHICH IS REALLY IN RELATION TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS, THE THIRD STORY, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE [03:50:01] FROM THAT ENTIRE SECOND FLOOR THAT'S ENCLOSED IN GLASS, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE THE BAY. THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE A VIEW THAT IF YOU WERE ON THE ROOF OF THE HOUSES NEXT DOOR, IT WOULD BE THE SAME VIEW. YEAH. BUT SO THEY GET A ROOF VIEW FROM THE INSIDE OF THEIR HOUSE WITH THE NICE AIR CONDITIONING AND ALL THE PLEASANT THING. AND SO THAT, THAT IS PART OF WHY, WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT HAVING THIS ON TOP, THIS EXTRA HABITABLE SPACE IS JUST, IT'S UNNECESSARY. LIKE I COULD SEE HOW YOU NEED THE AIR CONDITIONING AND YOU GET THE TOP OF THE ELEVATOR. THE ELEVATOR DOESN'T NEED TO, TO ACCESS THE ROOF, BUT YOU NEED SOME, ALL OF THE MECHANICALS, BUT IT DOESN'T NEED TO HAVE A SPA AND A ROOF GARDEN AND IN ALL OF THESE THINGS. SO THAT, THAT'S MY POINT. THIS IS WHAT WE COULD REC, WE COULD OFFER TO YOU ALL. LIKE, SO CAN YOU GO BACK? WHERE WAS I? SORRY. SO ON THE NORTH IS THE ELEVATOR OVERRUN, RIGHT? WE CAN GET RID OF THE HUT AND JUST MAKE IT AS, AS, JUST AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE. MM-HMM. OKAY. TRACKING DOWN FROM THERE, WE CAN NARROW OR REDUCE THE PARAPET WALL FOR THAT ROOFTOP AREA. MM-HMM. , JUST MAKE IT AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE. YOU KNOW, AND IF THE TREES BOTHER YOU, WE CAN GET RID OF THE ONE TWO TREES. RIGHT. GOING SOUTH TO THE STAIRWELL BULKHEAD, AGAIN, GET RID OF THE HUT AND JUST MAKE IT AS NARROW AND AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE JUST TO MEET FLORIDA BUILDING CODE WITH REGARD TO THE CIRCLE AROUND THE AC EQUIPMENT, WE CAN REDUCE THAT JUST TO THE MINIMUM NECESSARY TO SCREEN IT. TO SCREEN IT WITH THOSE ACTIONS, WHICH IS TYPICALLY FIVE FEET AND HEIGHT. YEAH. AND EVEN MOVE THEM CLOSER. THAT WOULD BE FINE TOO. SO WITH THOSE FOUR ACTIONS, I THINK WE'VE REALLY REDUCED THE, WHAT YOU CONSIDER OFFENSIVE ABOUT ADDING ADDITION ON POSSIBLE OF AN ADDITION THAT YOU DON'T LIKE. WELL, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT EVEN OFFENSIVE IS A STRONG WORD. I'M JUST SAYING IT, IT COUNTERACTS THE EFFECT OF THE DESIGN. RIGHT. TRUE. YOU KNOW, IT, IT REALLY, I, I JUST WANNA SEE THE, THE ROOF UNDULATIONS, AND NOW YOU'RE INTERJECT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BREAKING IT UP WITH THINGS. IT'S LIKE, NO, THIS IS IT. IT GOES AGAINST THE RHYTHM. SO ARTISTICALLY IT, AND THEN ALSO IT'S, IT'S, IF THERE WERE OTHER STRUCTURES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WERE JUST AS TALL, IT WOULDN'T HAVE, IT WOULDN'T BE AS MUCH OF AN ISSUE FROM A NON-ARTISTIC POINT OF VIEW. BUT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY SO MUCH HIGHER RIGHT. THAN ANYTHING ELSE AROUND IT, AND THERE ARE HOUSES ALL AROUND IT, BECAUSE IT'S A LANDLOCKED PROPERTY, THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT INCOMPATIBLE. SO I THINK, AT LEAST TO YOUR POINT OF HOW CAN WE REDUCE IT? MM-HMM. AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND THAT WAS WHAT STRUCK ME. 'CAUSE I, I RECALL THE, OR THE VERSION THAT WE SAW LAST TIME, IT DIDN'T HAVE THE SCREENING. IT WAS ALL WHITE. NO. AM I NOT REMEMBERING IT CORRECTLY? NO, IT WAS, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS THERE MAYBE UNDER, SORRY, THE, THE SCREEN USED TO BE WHITE. THE, THE BIRD CAGE USED TO BE WHITE. YEAH. IT WAS ALL WHITE. UH, WE, MAYBE THAT WAS IT TOO. MAYBE NOW THAT YOU CHANGED THE MATERIAL, IT MADE IT MORE PRONOUNCED AS OPPOSED TO LESS WE CAN CHANGE IT TO WHITE AGAIN. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T NOT, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA, BUT I, I, TO YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION, A COMPROMISE. AND IT, IT'S JUST, IT JUST, YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER IF MAYBE IT EXISTED, BUT YOU DIDN'T SEE IT FROM THE STREET, BUT THEY KNEW IT WAS THERE ALMOST LIKE A SECRET ROOF GARDEN SORT OF SETUP. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S COUNTERACTING THE EFFECT THAT I THINK YOU ARE GOING FOR. OKAY. WELL, CAN WE, CAN YOU ALL ACCEPT THOSE FOUR MODIFICATIONS? I CAN GO THROUGH THEM AGAIN. IT'S REMOVING. YEAH. I MEAN, I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS BECAUSE THAT WAS SORT OF WHAT I WAS GETTING AT THE LAST TIME. , AND THEN THIS IS WHAT WE GOT. SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD BE MORE, I MEAN, THIS SEEMS VERY SPECIFIC OR IF STAFF NEEDS MORE DIRECTION ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK JUST SO LIO, WHAT WERE YOUR STIPULATIONS, MICHAEL, THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED? SO FIRST, THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR. SO THE FIRST WAS REMOVE THE NORTHERN HUT, MAKE THE ELEVATOR OVERRUN JUST AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO. AND WAIT TO DO THAT. SO MAYBE YOU WOULD MAKE THE OTHER ROOF FLAT AS OPPOSED TO THAT'D BE FINE. HEAT OR SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE WITH THAT APPROACH TOO. UH, THE SECOND APPROACH IS THE ACTION. 'CAUSE I SHOULD SAY ALSO HOW IT IS NOW TOO. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE THESE TWO GIANT CHIMNEYS AT THE TOP OF YOUR HOUSE. YEAH. AND AGAIN, THAT, SEE, THAT DOESN'T, THAT'S NOT THE EFFECT THAT I THINK YOU'RE GOING FOR. YEAH. WE'LL, WE'LL JUST MAKE IT, WHATEVER'S FLORIDA BUILDING CODE NECESSARY, IT'LL BE AS SMALL AS POSSIBLE. THE SECOND MODIFICATION. SO WE REMOVE THE NORTH HUT FLAT ROOF. YEAH. FLAT ROOF. REMOVE THE HUT EFFECT, REMOVE LIKE THE BEIGE COVERING. IT'LL JUST BE WHITE AGAIN, WHATEVER IS, THERE WILL BE WHITE AGAIN. UM, REDUCE THE ROOFTOP DECK AREA TO AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE. REMOVE THE TREES. OH, THAT HAPPENED. THAT'S THE THIRD THING. ACTUALLY. DEFINITELY REMOVE THE TREES. MOVE THE [03:55:01] TREES, MAKE THE ROOFTOP DECK AREA AS MINERAL AS POSSIBLE. NEXT IS THE SOUTH HUT. SO THAT'S THE STAIRWELL BULKHEAD. SO MAKE THAT JUST WHATEVER MINERAL FLORIDA BUILDING CODE REQUIRED. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. IT'LL BE WHITE. AND THEN SHIFTING, UH, WEST FROM THERE IS THE AC ENCLOSURE AREA. WE'LL PUSH THAT CLOSER TO THE STAIRWELL BULKHEAD, AND WE'LL JUST DO A MINIMAL SCREENING AROUND IT. YEAH. A MINIMAL SCREENING AROUND THE STAIRCASE ON THE SOUTH END, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, WE CAN DO THAT. I, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE IF, I MEAN, I REALLY THINK THAT YOU SHOULD RECONSIDER ANYTHING UP THERE, BUT IF, IF THAT'S THE, UM, IF THAT HAS TO BE THE COMPROMISE, WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M SORRY. IS TWO, TODAY WAS A THIRD, A THIRD COMMENT. CAN YOU REPEAT IT? I'M APOLOGIZE. HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT THIS? I'LL MAKE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION AND I'LL TRY TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE FOUR STIPULATIONS AND I KNOW I'M GONNA NEED HELP ALONG THE WAY. OKAY. SO I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, OH, SORRY. WAIT A MINUTE. YOU MENTIONED THE TREES. YOU TALKING ABOUT REDUCING ALL OF THE GREEN OR? I SAID REMOVING. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME GREEN UP THERE, BUT IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE TREES. IT CAN BE SHRUBS NO MORE THAN THREE FEET IN HEIGHT. IT CAN JUST REDUCE THE PLANTERS TO THE MINIMUM TO HAVE SOME GREEN THERE. BUT JUST A SMALL, UH, PLANTS NO MORE THAN THREE FEET IN HEIGHT. YEAH. BUT THIS IS, SO THEN THIS CONTINUES TO BE A LIVABLE OUTDOOR SPACE WHEN YOU PUT TREES UP THERE. WELL, NO TREES WE'RE SAYING REMOVE THE TREE, MEANING, OR, OR EVEN SHRUBS. IT, IT CONTINUES TO BE AN OUTDOOR LIVABLE SPACE. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS NOT WORKING. YEAH, YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WHEN YOU HAVE THE, THE, THE PLANTERS AND THEN YOU HAVE THE WA THE IRRIGATION FOR THAT AND ALL, YOU KNOW, IT ALL, WE HAVE TO REMOVE NECESSITATE STUFF. ALL RIGHT. SO REMOVE THE PLANTERS AND THE TREES AND EVERYTHING. MAKE IT AS SPARTAN AS POSSIBLE. PARDON? I MEAN, YEAH. 'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT IT TO CONFLICT WITH CORRECT. ROGELIO, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? DOES THE CODE ALLOW FOR FOUR STORY STRUCTURES THAT IN, UH, IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT INCLUDE THE UNDERSTORY AND THEN A ROOFTOP OUTDOOR, ROOFTOP LIVABLE AREA BESIDES TWO LIVABLE, IT ALLOWS FOR AN OPEN AIR ROOFTOP, UH, DECK AREA. YES. AND WHAT IS ALLOWED IN THAT ROOF DECK? THE ROOF DECK, UM, HAS TO BE SET BACK FROM THE EDGES OF THE PROPERTY. A MINIMUM OF 10 FEET. IT CAN'T EXCEED 20% OF THE FLOOR AREA BELOW THE WHOLE AREA. UM, IT CAN HAVE SOME OPEN AIR BUILDINGS, SO YOU CAN'T HAVE ENCLOSED FLOOR AREA UP THERE, BUT YOU CAN HAVE OPEN AIR SPACES THAT ARE LIVABLE, THAT IS ALLOWED. SO YOU CAN HAVE, UM, FURNITURE UP THERE, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF ENCLOSED AREA. CORRECT. TO SIT ON. THE ONLY ENCLOSED AREA WOULD BE THE ELEVATOR. ELEVATOR, WHATEVER'S NEEDED FOR ELEVATOR AND STORAGE STAIRCASE AND THE MECHANICAL MM-HMM. EQUIPMENT THAT GETS, WHICH IS, WHICH CAN BE SCREENED RIGHT. FEET. YEAH. AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE A ALSO COVERED, UM, LIKE A TRELLIS STRUCTURE UP THERE AS WELL. OKAY. BUT IT CAN'T BE AN ENCLOSED RIGHT. HABITABLE SPACE. DO YOU WANNA START FROM THE TOP? SURE. OKAY. SORRY. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE DESIGN OF THE ROOF WITH THE FOLLOWING, UM, CONDITIONS. ONE THAT THEY REMOVE THE NORTH HUT, UM, COVERING AND REPLACE THE ROOF WITH A FLAT ROOF. MM-HMM. THAT WE REDUCE THE ROOFTOP DECK. NO, I'M SORRY. NUMBER TWO, THAT WE REMOVE ALL THE TREES, SHRUBS, AND PLANTERS. UM, NUMBER THREE, THAT WE, UM, REDUCE THE HEIGHT OF THE STAIRCASE ON THE SOUTH END. UM, AND FOUR THAT WE REDUCE THE ROOFTOP DECK, THE AC MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, THE AC MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, MAKE THE SCREENING AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE AND MOVE IT FARTHER EAST TO BE CLOSER TO THE STAIRWELL POLE, TO THE MAIN AREA. OKAY. STAIRCASE. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE SOUTH? OKAY. YES. WE ALSO PROFFERED TO REDUCE THE PARAPET WALL SURROUNDING THE ROOFTOP DECK AREA AND THEN MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT SMALLER. THAT WAS THE LAST THING WE DID. YOU MEAN SURROUNDING THE, THE, UH, MECHANICAL ROOM AND THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. AND THERE'S A SEATING AREA IN BETWEEN THE TWO HUTS. RIGHT. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE'LL REDUCE THE PARAPET WALL THAT SURROUNDS IT. YEAH. AND THEN JUST REDUCE IT SLIGHTLY [04:00:01] IN SIZE. SO WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE MINIMUM WOULD BE FOR THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THREE FEET, FIVE INCHES. YEP. START THREE FEET, SIX INCHES. MM-HMM. 42 INCHES. OKAY. BUT YOUR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ALLOWS FIVE FEET PARAPET A WALL AROUND IT, NOT THE THREE FEET, SIX INCHES, WHATEVER THE MINIMUM THE FLOOR BUILDING COULD IS. YEAH, I THINK, I THINK HE HAD MENTIONED FIVE FEET OR WOULD WHATEVER THE AIR CONDITIONER ITSELF, WHATEVER THE UNIT IS, WE WANT IT TO BE FULLY SCREENED. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SECOND. ANYBODY? SO THAT WAS AN APPROVAL YES. WITH THOSE CONDITIONS? YES. OKAY. THAT WAS THE MOTION. OKAY. AGAIN, THAT WAS THE MOTION. WE NOW NEED A SECOND. OKAY. CHERYL, I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. MOTION BY MS. OLI. SECOND BY MS. LEWIN. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. AND YOU KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING THERE IS, YOU HAVE THE TRELLIS THERE, SO THERE WILL BE GREEN ON THE ROOF THAT THEY CAN SEE. SO THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU. UM, I, I DUNNO IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL AGENDA ITEMS. TWO. UM, HOW MANY ITEMS ARE LEFT ON THE AGENDA? WE HAVE ONE ITEM, UH, LEFT. WE HAVE TWO THAT I, THE APPLICANTS ARE NOT HERE. SO ONE, ONE ACTION ITEM. WHICH ONE? THE LAST, THE LAST ONE. IT'S A HOME AT, UH, 1265 NORTH BISCAY POINT ROAD. CAN WE DO IT QUICKLY UP TO THE BOARD? ? WELL, IF WE DON'T MOVE QUICK ENOUGH, WE CAN ALWAYS LEAVE. ONCE I, ONCE I LEAVE, ONCE YOU LOSE, THEY LOSE CORPSMAN. THEY, THEY CAN VOTE A 4, 5, 6, YOU KNOW. COULD YOU MAKE YOUR PHONE CALL TWO 15? I CAN. I HAVE TWO OTHER COORDINATED IN. SORRY. IN THE FUTURE, LET ME KNOW. I KNOW. SORRY. LAST, OH, YOU ARE AWARENESS, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. [10. DRB24-1038, 1265 NORTH BISCAYNE POINT ROAD.] SO SHOULD WE GET STARTED THEN REAL QUICK ON THAT? YEAH. OKAY. SO THIS IS DRB 24 DASH 10 38. YEAH. THIS IS 1265 NORTH BISCAYNE POINT ROAD. AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO STORY RESIDENCE WITH AN UNDERSTORY LEVEL, INCLUDING ONE OR MORE WAIVERS TO REPLACE AN EXISTING RESIDENCE. UM, THIS IS IN THE RS THREE DISTRICT LOT SIZE OF 11,360 SQUARE FEET. UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING, UM, UM, AN AN, AN UNDERSTORY HOME. THE, UM, THE UNDERSTORY HOME WILL BE REPLACING AN EXISTING RESIDENCE CONSTRUCTED IN 1953. UM, THE UNDERSTORY, UM, UM, WILL BE INCLUDE, UM, A BASE WILL BE BUILT AT SEVEN FEET, TWO 17 FEET, TWO INCHES NGVD. SO THERE'S A FREE BOARD OF, OF, UH, THEY'RE MAXIMIZING THEIR FREE BOARD AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY EXCEEDING THEIR FREE BOARD FOR THEIR, FOR WHERE THEIR MINIMUM FLOOR ELEVATION WILL BE. UM, THE TWO STORY, UH, RESIDENCE IS DESIGNED IN A CONTEMPORARY ARCHITECTURAL STYLE WITH HIGH QUALITY FINISHES INCLUDING BRONZE, METAL, FLUTED TILES, WOODEN GLASS, UH, THE FRONT ELEVATION IS HIGHLIGHTED BY A DOUBLE BRONZE, UH, METAL LOUVERS. UM, AND, AND SOME ANGLED COLUMNS. UM, THE SIDES IN THE REAR ELEVATIONS CONTINUE TO BE CLADDED WITH FLUTED TILES AND, UH, AND METALLIC BRONZE CORN, BRONZE CORNICES ACCENTING THE ROOF LINE. UM, STAFF DOES HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE FRONT FACADE, UM, THAT IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE VIEWED AS IMPOSING TO THE STREET, GIVEN THE HORIZONTALITY OF THE, OF THE DESIGN. UM, AND SO THE FACADE DOES COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENT. TYPICALLY, WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR NOT, TYPICALLY WE DO HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR TWO STORY HOMES THAT 35% OF THE SECOND FLOOR BE SET BACK AN ADDITIONAL FIVE FEET FROM THE REQUIRED SETBACK. IN THIS CASE, THE ENTIRE HOME IS SET BACK, UM, TO 35 FEET. SO THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH THAT REQUIREMENT. HOWEVER, THE INTENT THAT THERE BE SOME MOVEMENT IS NOT COMPLIED WITH. SO STAFF DOES HAVE CONCERNS AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE ADDITIONAL RECESSES THAT THE SECOND LEVEL SOMEHOW, UM, UM, IN ORDER TO, THESE IMAGES ARE SMALLER IN THE SECOND LEVEL IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE THAT, THAT HORIZONTAL, THAT VERTICAL IMPACT. UM, IN THE DESIGN, UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ALSO A WAIVER. UH, THE SIDE YARDS HAVE A, HAVE A LENGTH GREATER THAN 60 FEET. UM, SO THEY ARE REQUESTING A WAIVER OF THE, OF THE OPEN COURTYARD REQUIREMENT FOR THE SIDE YARD. UM, IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE EXCEEDING THE REQUIREMENT BY NINE FEET, TWO AND A HALF INCHES. SO IT'S 69 FEET, IT'S MINIMAL. UM, THE DESIGN IS, UM, WHILE THEY DON'T HAVE THE OPEN SPACE, THE DESIGN DOES HAVE, UH, MOVEMENT, UM, DOES, IS DESIGNED WELL. UM, SO STAFF IS NOT OPPOSED TO THAT WAIVER, GIVEN HOW LITTLE THEY ARE OVERRUNNING THAT, THAT, UH, THAT REQUIREMENT. UM, SO WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICATION BE APPROVED, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS [04:05:01] OF THE ATTACHED DRAFT ORDER. UM, TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. MATT AMSTER WITH THE LAW FIRM BERK, HOWARD DEL FERNANDEZ, LAKIN AND TAPS OFFICE AT 200 SAN FCA BOULEVARD, UH, IN MIAMI. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF OUR TEAM'S BEEN SWORN IN, SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO QUICKLY DO THAT FOR US. OF COURSE. AND WE DO HAVE ONE PERSON ON ZOOM, UH, ON DRESS. MONTERO IS OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. UH, IS HE, IS HE ON, UH, IS HE ON ZOOM? HE SHOULD BE ON ZOOM. I'M NOT EXPECTING HIM TO, UH, HAVE TO SPEAK. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, YES, IF YOU ARE NOT HERE THIS MORNING, THEN, UM, IF YOU COULD STAND UP AND, UH, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. UH, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'LL BE GIVING IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, SO HERE TODAY REPRESENTING, UH, THE OWNER, UH, AND, UH, OF THIS PROPERTY AND THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS, UH, 1265 N-B-P-L-L-C. UM, AND WITH ME IS THE, THE EFFECTIVE OWNER, UH, YANIK, IE. HE'S A 14 YEAR MIAMI BEACH RESIDENT. HE ACTUALLY LIVES IN THE NEARBY AREA AND IS LOOKING TO BUILD THIS HOME FOR HIS FAMILY. UH, WE ALSO HAVE EDWIN PERADA AND OTHERS HERE FROM EZINE ARCHITECTURE. UH, RENEE GONZALEZ, UH, IS A ARCHITECT OF RECORD, UH, AND AS I MENTIONED, ANDRES MONTERO IS OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. AND MY COLLEAGUE MICHAEL OPOLIS, UH, FROM OUR FIRM WHO GAVE YOU A HANDOUT, UM, IF WE CAN CALL UP OUR PRESENTATION, UH, THE SMALLER HANDOUT IS, UH, YNA HIMSELF, WENT AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY TO OUR NEW NEARBY NEIGHBORS, UH, TO, UM, SEEK SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN THE, UH, PROJECT AND HAS GOTTEN THREE LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT ARE IN YOUR HANDOUT. IT'S THE TWO PROPERTIES TO OUR, UH, WEST AND, UH, THEN NOT OUR ADJACENT PROPERTY. I'LL EXPLAIN THAT IN A MINUTE, BUT THE ONE, UH, FURTHER TO THE EAST. UM, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THIS IS NOW ORIENTED WHERE NORTH IS TO THE LEFT. UH, OUR PROPERTY IS, UH, WITH THE LABEL 1265. UH, BUT THERE'S A VACANT PROPERTY TO OUR, UM, EAST, WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. IN FACT, THIS IS AN OLD AERIAL. UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY A TWO STORY HOME WITH AN UNDERSTORY THAT THIS BOARD APPROVED ON THAT PROPERTY. ALSO TO OUR, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS, WHICH IS OUR WEST IS ANOTHER DRB PROJECT, UH, ALSO WITH, UH, APPROVAL THAT ALSO HAS AN UNDERSTORY. SO WE'RE BASICALLY, UH, SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN TWO APPROVED AND, UH, ONE DEFINITELY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AND THEN EVEN ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS TO THE RIGHT IN THIS DIAGRAM, YOU SEE ALSO, UH, IT'S AN AREA IN TRANSITION, ANOTHER HOME THAT'S, UH, GOING TO BE BUILT. UH, YANNICK REACH TRIED TO REACH OUT TO THE OWNERS OF THOSE, UH, PROPERTIES, BUT BEING UNDER CONSTRUCTION, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO GET TO THEM. SO ESSENTIALLY HE'S GOTTEN SUPPORTIVE THE NEARBY, UH, NEIGHBORS. UM, LET'S SEE. HOW DID WE, UH, SO HERE, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, UH, THE BOTTOM LEFT IS ACTUALLY THAT HOME TO OUR EAST UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THAT WAS THE VACANT LOT ON THE AERIAL. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THEIR HOME WITH AN UNDERSTORY IS ALREADY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. UM, THESE ARE JUST HOMES OF, UH, PICTURES OF OUR HOME, BUT YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM MIDDLE AND THE BOTTOM RIGHT SIDE, THAT ALSO SHOWS YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT NEW HOME, UM, NEAR OUR, UH, EAST, UH, PROPERTY LINE. UM, CAN, YEAH, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO EDWIN SINCE THERE'S LIMITED TIME. GREAT. SO, UM, THE, OKAY. THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE TWO STORY DELIN, UM, APPROACH, UH, ARCHITECTURAL, UH, MINIMALIST STYLE. OKAY. WHICH INTEGRATED THE, UM, OPENINGS PRIVACY AND THE COMBINATION OF, UH, INDOOR AND OUTDOOR, UH, CONNECTION, UH, WITH THE SURROUNDING. OKAY. WHAT ARE, OKAY. OKAY. WHAT ARE THE KEY ELEMENTS OF THE DESIGN? WE HAVE OUR UNDERSTORY LEVEL, WHICH IS, UH, INTEGRATED WITH THE LANDSCAPING. AND ALSO I WANT TO, UH, POINT IT OUT THAT IN THIS LEVEL, THE, AT THE FRONT SETBACK, THE HOUSE IS, UM, UH, TOWARDS TO THE INTERIOR. SO THERE IS A, UM, DEPTH ON THE DESIGN OF THE MAIN FAC OF, OF THE HOUSE. THE, THE PRINCIPLE ACCESS TO THE HOUSE, UM, IS ELEVATED AND IS ALSO ACCESS TO A SLACK, UH, MODERN STAIRCASE THAT, UM, LEADING TO THE FIRST FLOOR IN A OPEN CO, UH, CODE YARD, PARTIALLY TO THE, TO THE SKY, BUT ALSO SET BACK FROM THE, UH, FROM FACADE. OKAY. THE OPENNESS OF THE LAO ALLOWS TO INTEGRATE WITH THE EXTERIOR AND THE SURROUNDING, AND ALSO COMPLYING WITH ALL THE NEEDS THAT THE, UH, UM, AND REQUIREMENTS [04:10:01] OF THE OCCUPIED. OKAY. ANOTHER ELEMENT OF THE DESIGN IS THE, THE ROOF ELEMENT, WHICH IS A, A INTERRUPTED LINE IS INTERRUPTED LINE THAT GOES THROUGH ALL THE PERIMETER OF THE HOUSE AND PROVIDES A, LIKE A MINIMALIST DESIGN, BUT ALSO A S SLICK DETAIL IN ALL THE WAY THROUGH. OKAY. REGARDING THE MATERIALS, THERE IS A COMPOSITION OF, UM, DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. OKAY. WE HAVE THE, THE CONCRETE WHICH PROVIDE LIKE, MORE SOLID OR, UH, RUSTIC PATTERN AND FILLINGS TO THE HOUSE AND THE WOOD AND, AND THE WARMING COLORS BALANCE THE, THE OVERALL. OKAY. REGARDING THE FRONT FACADE, UH, WE HAVE SOME, UM, PARTICULAR ELEMENTS THAT, UH, GOES THROUGH THE TWO STORY LEVELS AND INTEGRATED THE OVERALL FACADE. THOSE ELEMENTS ALSO PROVIDE PRIVACY, UH, PROVIDES, UM, UM, VENTILATION BY PROVIDE ALSO TO, UM, EH, LIKE A CONTEMPORARY DESIGN TO THE HOUSE, EH, ALSO THE HOUSE FEATURES, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF GLAZING THAT PROVIDE NATURAL LIGHT GO INSIDE THE HOUSE. OKAY. REGARDING THE FRONT FACADE, WE HAVE A, UM, COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT DEPTHS IN ALL THE ELEMENTS, EH, THAT EH, PLAY VERY WELL AND MAKE A, UM, A PLAY OF BETWEEN THE LIGHT AND THE CHARTS DURING ALL THE DAY. EDWIN, WHY DON'T YOU GO BACK FOR A SECOND TO THE COLORED ONE? YES. YEAH. WELL, NOT TO BELABOR THE POINT OF THE DIFFERENT DEPTHS. UM, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE, THE RED ON THE LEFT IS, UH, ARE THOSE LOUVERS. THEY, THEY ARE CLOSER SPACED THAN THE BLUE ONES ON THE RIGHT SIDE ON PURPOSE TO HELP WITH THIS. ALSO, THE RED ONES ARE CLOSER TO THE BUILDING WALL, UH, WHERE THE BLUE ONES ARE ACTUALLY FURTHER OUT TOWARDS THE STREET. AND IT HELPS AGAIN AT VARIOUS DIFFERENT BOTH LEVELS, UH, AND AREAS. AND THEN BEHIND AT THE GROUND LEVEL, ON THE RIGHT SIDE BEHIND THE BLUE, UM, THERE'S AN OPEN COURTYARD, LIKE ON THE FIRST LEVEL, RIGHT BEHIND THAT IT'S, THERE'S JUST A PARAPET WALL AND IT'S LIKE A GREEN SPACE, BUT, UM, UNDER THE COVER OF THE BEDROOM ABOVE, UH, AND THEN ON THE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE DRAWING, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE GROUND LEVEL. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S ALL GREEN BECAUSE THAT IS A BASICALLY SEE THROUGH TRANSPARENT OPEN SPACE, UM, AND GOING, UH, UH, PERPENDICULAR TO THAT LIKE THROUGH THE ENTIRE BUILDING. IF YOU GO BACK A PAGE, UM, YEAH, NO ONE BACK TO THE COLOR RIGHT THERE. UM, AT THE TOP YOU CAN SEE, UH, THAT GREEN SPACE UP AT THE TOP, UH, RIGHT, THAT'S THE, UH, COURTYARD ON THE FIRST LEVEL. AND THEN COMING THROUGH THE BUILDING. EAST, WEST, UM, IS A, BASICALLY AN OPEN COURTYARD. IT MAKES FOR THE COMPLIANCE OF OUR COURTYARD ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH IS THE TOP OF THAT DRAWING. AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM IT'S OPEN. AND, UH, WHILE WE DON'T FULLY MEET THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE, UH, WAIVER, IT'S THAT SAME COURTYARD IS, UM, PROVIDING OPENNESS. AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT IMAGE, THIS NOW SHOWS YOU ON THAT, UH, WEST SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY WHERE WE'RE ASKING FOR THE WAIVER, YOU CAN SEE THE X, THE WHITE X, UH, IN THE CENTER AT THE GROUND LEVEL, THAT'S THAT SORT OF CORRIDOR THROUGH THE BUILDING. AND THEN HERE AS WELL, WITH THE OPENNESS OF THE UNDERSTORY AND DIFFERENT SETBACKS AT DIFFERENT LEVELS. THIS IS HOW WE MEET OUR WAIVER. UM, NOW YOU CAN GO BACK TO THIS ONE. UM, SO HERE AT THE BOTTOM, JUST TO GIVE YOU THE CLOSEUP, UM, THOSE ARE THE LOUVERS, THE SPACING IN BETWEEN. UM, THE LEFT SIDE IS, YOU KNOW, THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THEY'RE CLOSER TO THE BUILDING WALL. THE LOUVERS ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WHICH WERE BLUE COLORED, RIGHT? THOSE ARE FURTHER SPACED OUT. AGAIN, ALL PURPOSEFULLY AS LONG. AND THERE'S THOSE COLUMNS AND OTHER ELEMENTS LIKE THE COURTYARD OPEN SPACE THAT PROVIDE THAT MOVEMENT. AND TO EXPAND UPON THAT, UH, WE PREPARED THIS HANDOUT. REALLY, IF YOU JUST GO TO THE SECOND PAGE, IT'S ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT. IT IS A RENDERING OF THE TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERSTORY HOMES APPROVED ON EITHER SIDE OF US. UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF ARCHITECTURAL, UH, UNIQUENESS BETWEEN THE PROJECTS, UH, WHICH, UH, AS WELL AS THOSE PROJECTS THEMSELVES HAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SETBACKS, DIFFERENT MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, BALCONIES, UH, UH, DIFFERENT RECESSED AREAS. AND SO EVERY PROJECT IS REALLY PROVIDING WHAT WE FEEL IS AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF, UH, RECESSED AS [04:15:01] WELL AS, UH, VARIATION THAT ITSELF, UH, WE FEEL OUR PROJECT FITS IN AS DESIGNED, UH, WITHOUT ANY FURTHER RECESSES. UH, AND WILL BE A, AGAIN, A WELCOME, UH, ADDITION AND GOOD FOR THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, PERHAPS. YEAH, GO. OKAY. SO THE OVERALL, YOU CAN SEE THE, ALL THE ELEMENTS OF THE KEY DESIGNS OF THE HOUSE. WE HAVE THE VERTICAL ELEMENTS, UH, WE HAVE THE HORIZONTALLY, UH, ROOF LINES. WE HAVE THE PERMEABILITY OF THE LURS THAT GO THROUGH THE, UH, CO YARD AND THE REST OF THE HOME. UM, THE COMBINATION OF THE MATERIALS, THE MAIN ACCESS TO THE HOUSE, THE CO YARD, AND SOME BUILD FROM THE, FROM THE SIZE. JUST 30 MORE SECONDS. OKAY. I, WE'RE GONNA LOSE QUORUM. YEP. SO WE, UH, I'LL, WE'RE, UH, THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION. WE'RE, UM, WE AGREE WITH ALL OF STAFF'S CONDITION, ALTHOUGH, EXCEPT FOR ONE, WHICH IS ID 1D, WHICH IS ABOUT PROVIDING A ADDITIONAL RECESSES AT THE FRONT, WHICH IS WHY WE SPENT SOME TIME TO SHOW YOU THE COLOR DRAWING THE RENDERING OF THE THREE UNDERSTORY HOMES NEXT TO EACH OTHER. UH, THAT WE FEEL THAT OUR DESIGN IS, UH, PROVIDING APPROPRIATE CONTEXT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN INTENT AND PRIVACY THAT THE OWNER'S LOOKING FOR. SO WE JUST RESPECTFULLY REQUEST APPROVAL, UH, WITH THE ELIMINATION OF THAT CONDITION. ALL ELSE. THAT'S ROMAN 1D 1D, YEAH. WHICH IS ADDITIONAL RECESSES SHALL BE INCORPORATED IN THE SECOND FLOOR ACROSS, THAT'S THE ONE I BELIEVE. THAT'S OKAY. SO DOES THAT INCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION? YES. YES. OKAY. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. OKAY. I'M SORRY, SARAH. NO, NO, NO. I MEAN, I, I, YEAH. ANY, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS WE HAVE? UH, NO, NO ANSWERS. OKAY. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC PORTION. NO ANSWERS. UM, FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT NEEDS WORK AND SHOULD BE CONTINUED, AND I'M VERY HAPPY TO DESCRIBE MORE WHAT I MEAN, BUT THAT'S WHERE MY VOTE IS GOING. OKAY. SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. SO, SO YEAH, SO YOU, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, UH, UM, GIVEN IF VOTES FOR APPROVAL, BUT YOU GUYS, I CAN LEAVE AND YOU GUYS CAN PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. OH, TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE. YES. I'M SORRY. YOU GUYS CAN GIVE COMMENTS WITHOUT MY PRESENCE. CAN YOU NOT? YOU JUST CAN'T TAKE ACTION. YES. BUT DO YOU HAVE, CAN, CAN, I'M SORRY. DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS ON THE DESIGN THAT YOU WOULD LIKE? I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, I'M A LAWYER, BUT YOU KNOW, MY, THE ONLY TIME I EVER HAD COMMENTS ARE ON, UM, ARE ON VARIANCES. YEAH. AND THEN NONE ARE REQUESTED. SO FERO, DOES HE NEED TO BE HERE TO VOTE FOR THE CONTINUANCE? UH, FOR WHAT? I'M SORRY. FOR THE CONTINUANCE, DOES HE NEED TO BE HERE PRESENT TO VOTE FOR, OR IF WE RUN OUTTA TIME, YOU JUST GET BUMPED TO THE NEXT MONTH ANYWAY? OH, NO, BUT THEY MEDICALLY CONTINUED IF HE'S NOT HERE. OKAY. YOU MAY LEAVE. OKAY. UNFORTUNATE, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, OKAY. OKAY. UM, DO YOU WANT, I MEAN, I CAN START, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GONNA GO, SARAH. I MEAN, I HAVE, I HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. I, I THINK THE DESIGN IS EXCELLENT. UM, I, I APPRECIATE STAFF'S CONCERNS ABOUT SETTING BACK THE SECOND STORY, BUT I MEAN, I THINK HOW YOU'VE OFFSET THAT, WHAT, WHAT THAT'S INTENDED TO DO WITH THE, THE LOUVERS. THERE'S THE, THE TOP PIECE IS A LITTLE SETBACK AND THE CEILING LOOKS LIKE IT'S FLOATING. I THINK THAT KIND OF GIVES THAT EFFECT OF RELIEF THAT IS MAYBE WHAT THE INTENT OF HAVING THAT SETBACK IS THERE FOR. UM, SO THAT REALLY DIDN'T CONCERN ME. UM, AND I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THE DESIGN. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I ALSO APPRECIATE THE UNDERSTORY ACTING AS A TRUE UNDERSTORY, NOT AS AN ADDITIONAL FLORIS WE SEE SOMETIMES. UM, SO YEAH, I, I, UM, I'LL SEE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, SARAH, BUT THAT, THOSE ARE MY INITIAL IMPRESSIONS BASED ON THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. YEAH. MY, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK OR DO YOU WANT ME TO NO, GO AHEAD. OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, UM, MATT, I'M REALLY GLAD THAT YOU POINTED OUT THAT DETAIL ON THE SIDE. I DID NOT READ IT INITIALLY AS BEING SORT OF SET ASIDE AND THAT THERE WERE HOLES AND THE, THE VOLUMES DIDN'T TRANSLATE INTO THE DRAWINGS. SO I'M VERY GLAD THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT. 'CAUSE NOW I'M ABLE TO READ IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. UM, SO OVERALL, I VERY MUCH AGREE WITH STAFF ABOUT THE FACADE. AND, AND I WOULD EVEN GO SO FAR TO SAY [04:20:01] AS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRIKES ME IS THAT THE FRONT FACADE LOOKS RADICALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER THREE. AND I WOULD REALLY, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE THIS, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT I SEE THAT IT'S NOT FULLY ATTACHED. IT'S JUST LIKE A, A GIANT FENCE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. UM, IT GOES TWO STORIES TALL. I MEAN, THAT'S SORT OF WHAT IT READS LIKE. AND AGAIN, I'M LOOKING AT A DRAWING, NOT AN ACTUAL, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN. AND THEN THESE DETAILS AREN'T, THERE'S NO COHESION BETWEEN THE FACADE AND THE REST OF THE HOUSE. UM, SO I THINK THAT YOUR GOAL OF CREATING PRIVACY SORT OF SWUNG A LITTLE TOO FAR, TOO, TOO MUCH. UM, AND, AND THESE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THE COLUMNS, THE, THE FLANKS THAT ALSO, I THINK THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE SORT OF IMPOSING NATURE OF THE FACADE THAT MAYBE IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF HAD SOME COMMENTS ON. UM, I KNOW THAT WE DID APPROVE A HOUSE ON NORTH BAY ROAD A WHILE AGO THAT HAD THESE, UM, BY THE FRONT ENTRANCE. HOWEVER, THAT HOUSE WAS ON, I THINK A DOUBLE, I THINK THEY COMBINED TWO VERY LARGE LOTS AND THE SCALE WAS VERY DIFFERENT AND IT HAD A VERY DIFFERENT EFFECT, UM, THAN THIS DOES. SO I, FOR THAT ONE SIDE, I, I AGREE WITH STAFF THAT IT'S, IT'S IMPOSING AND IT NEEDS TO BE REWORKED. UM, IN TERMS OF THE WAIVER FOR THE SIDE, UM, I, I GUESS NOW THAT, SO THAT SIDE, CAN YOU BRING UP, 'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO DECIDE THE SIDE WITH THE COURTYARD, IS THAT THE WEST OR IS THAT THE EAST, EAST? IS IT, IT THAT'S THE EAST SIDE AND THEN IT'S THE WEST SIDE THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING THE WAIVER FOR. CORRECT. IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE OPENNESS, SO MATT, YOUR ARGUMENT THAT THE EAST SIDE IS VERY OPEN, THEREFORE THE WEST SIDE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, WAS THAT WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY? NO, NO, I WAS JUST INDICATING THAT WE ARE COMPLIANT ON THE EAST. ON THE EAST. OKAY. WHICH IS WHERE THE, EVEN THE ROOF ALLOWS FOR THE OPENNESS, YOU KNOW, CLEAR FROM THE GROUND, WHICH IS THE, THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE DON'T MEET ON THE WEST SIDE. BUT THE WEST HAS FIRST THAT, THAT CORRIDOR THAT GOES EAST, WEST THROUGH THE HOUSE ITSELF AT THE FIRST LEVEL, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DRAW, PULL UP THE, YEAH, PULL UP A DRAWING BECAUSE I'M, I'M, IN GENERAL, IT THREW ME WITH THAT ONE DETAIL. AND NOW I'M, I'M NOT, I'M CONVINCED I DON'T HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF THE MASSING OF THE HOUSE. SO, SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY AT THE BOTTOM IS THE, IS THE UNDERSTORY, WHICH BY CODE HAS TO BE EXTENSIVELY OPEN. SO IT IS, UH, EXTENSIVELY OPEN. UH, THE, THE, THE PART FURTHEST OUT TOWARDS THE SIDE YARD IS JUST THE STAIR, THE, WHICH IS THE LITTLE GREEN, LIKE A LITTLE SUPPORT STRUCTURE FOR AN OUTDOOR STAIR. UH, WE HAVE THE GLASS RAILING. UM, SO THE BLUE AT IS, UH, IS THE, THE NEXT DEPTH, UH, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF THE GROUND FLOOR. BUT THEN ON PURPOSE TO REDUCE THE SCALE AND MASSING, WHICH IS THE WHOLE INTENT OF THIS REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE, IS TO NOT BE, YOU KNOW, IMPOSING UPON YOUR NEIGHBOR. AND, UH, THAT'S WHERE, AT THE, AT THE SECOND FLOOR, THERE'S, UH, ADDITIONAL SETBACKS OF, UM, TWO FEET, SEVEN INCHES FURTHER IS THE RED. AND THEN ORANGE GOES EVEN FURTHER, UH, FIVE MORE FEET FROM THAT. 'CAUSE IT'S A OPEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A COVERED BALCONY ESSENTIALLY. I SEE. SO YOU'RE, THERE'S BACK. YES. SO EVERYTHING IS RIGHT. MOVING BACK, THERE'S A LOT OF PLAY IN THE DIFFERENT DEPTHS. AND IF YOU REMEMBER, OUR NEIGHBOR ALSO HAS AN UNDERSTORY, UH, YOU KNOW, THEMSELVES, UH, THAT WILL BE BUILT IN THE FUTURE, UM, FACING, YOU KNOW, THIS, THE THEMSELVES. SO WE'RE BEING AS, UH, SENSITIVE AS WE CAN WITH THAT. UH, AND HA YOU KNOW, HAVE AS AN EXAMPLE, RIGHT? WE, UH, THE COURTYARD BY CODE, AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE EIGHT FEET DEEP. UH, OBVIOUSLY OUR, OUR OPENING THERE ON THE GROUND LEVEL WOULD OTHERWISE BE COMPLIANT. IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVE, UH, UH, THE PROGRAMMING OF THE FLOOR ABOVE DOESN'T ALLOW IT TO BE OPEN TO THE SKY, BUT THEN WE PUSH BACK ABOVE THAT, RIGHT. THAT THE RED AREA IS FURTHER BACK. THE ORANGE AREA IS EVEN MUCH FURTHER BACK. OKAY. SORRY, I'M, I'M REFERRING MY BROW BECAUSE I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN RELATION TO WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. UM, DO YOU HAVE, MAYBE YOU COULD BRING UP THE, I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 32 IN THE PRESENTATION, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE, THE RE THE RENDERINGS A 15 THANK YOU. 13, 15, 8 15. THAT, OKAY. SO THE PAR, JUST AGAIN, SO I'M ORIENTING MYSELF CORRECTLY, THE SIDE THAT HAS THE CAR, AND THAT'S THE DRIVEWAY, THAT'S THE EAST SIDE, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN, [04:25:01] SO THE PHOTO TO MY RIGHT IS THE EAST, AND THE PHOTO TO MY LEFT IS THE WEST SIDE. YES. RIGHT. SO LET ME, AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IS SET BACK A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. AT THE LEFT. AND SO AT THE LEFT OF THIS DRAWING ALL THE WAY ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PAGE, RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE, UH, IN THE CENTER OF THE GROUND FLOOR, ABSOLUTELY. BETWEEN THE WINDOWS, YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT'S THE CORRIDOR OPENING. THERE'S A LOT THERE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT FOR SURE THAT THE SECOND FLOOR AT THE FRONT OF THE HOME IS SET BACK, UH, NOTICEABLY AS WELL AS THEN YOU CAN SEE A GLASS RAILING, WHICH IS THE, UH, THAT TERRACE FOR THE BEDROOM AT THE REAR OF THE HOME IS EVEN MUCH FURTHER SET BACK. AND REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS AREA IS, UH, 60 FEET, UH, AT MOST IN ORDER TO, UH, THEN BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE. I BELIEVE WE'RE 69 AND CHANGE, LIKE, SO THAT THE COMBINATION IS NOT EXCESSIVELY OVER, IT'S NOT A HUNDRED FEET LONG OF A CLEAR TWO STORY ELEVATION. YOU KNOW, WE'VE DEFINITELY TAKEN TO HEART THE INTENT OF THE CODE AND WE FEEL THAT THIS MEETS IT EXTENSIVELY. AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT LANDSCAPING, OF WHICH THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS ON BOTH OUR PROPERTY AND OUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY THAT PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SCREENING, YOU KNOW, OF THESE FACADES. SO WE FEEL THAT ALL OF THAT IS, UH, MEETING THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE CODE FOR THE WAIVER. OKAY. UM, OKAY. UM, AND THEN, AND SORRY AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY, AND AGAIN, RUNNING THROUGH THIS WITH THE RENDERINGS, THE, THE, UM, THIS COURTYARD, SO IN ONE OF THE IMAGES, I GUESS IT IS A 13, UM, ON, CAN YOU BRING UP A 13? YEAH. THAT, OH YEAH. I DON'T, ARE YOU PROPOSING TO PUT GRASS THERE? IS THAT WHY YOU'RE SHOWING THAT? IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE A GARDEN, BUT IT'S GONNA BE ART, ARTIFICIAL GARDEN. WE ARE PLAYING, LIKE THE IDEA IS INTEGRATE THIS SPACE, LIKE A, UM, BRING THE GREENERY INSIDE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE A NATURAL, NOT GONNA BE A NATURAL AREA. SO IT'S ARTIFICIAL TURF. YES. BUT THERE'S REBIL YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLANTERS. YOU CAN SEE THE YEAH, BUT I MEAN, NOTHING'S GONNA GROW UNDER, THERE'S NO LIGHT THERE. YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT, I MEAN, CERTAINLY GRASS ISN'T GONNA GROW THERE AND WELL IT'S, YEAH. BUT IN THE WEST SIDE, THE FACADE IS OPEN AND IT'S ALSO PARTIALLY OPEN TO THE SKY. SO, BUT THAT'S NOT, WELL THIS IS OUR REPRESENTATION, BUT BASICALLY WE WANT TO, THIS, THIS CO YARD BASICALLY WANTS TO INTEGRATE THE, THE HOUSE IN ALL THE, UH, LIKE THE WAYS ON, FROM NORTH TO SOUTH, FROM WEST TO EAST, AND ALSO FROM BOTTOM TO, TO, TO THE TOP. SO ALL THE SPACES THAT ARE, EH, INATED WITH THIS CO YARD ARE CONNECTED BY THE EARTH. IF WE SEE THE LA IT, IF YOU'RE IN THE CO CO YARD, YOU CAN SEE THE OCEAN. 'CAUSE WE HAVE THE, IN FRONT OF THAT, WE HAVE THE MAIN LIVING ROOM OF THE, OF THE HOUSE PLUS THE OFFICE. SO WE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, TO LIKE MINIMIZE, MINIMIZE THE ELEMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE, IN THE FACADE, UH, CREATE PERMEABILITY FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER SKETCH OF THE, UH, WE CAN SEE IT IN THE, OF THE COURTYARD. MAYBE THAT WOULD, ONE SECOND. I, WE CAN SEE IT IN THE FLOOR PLANS HERE. IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU USE THE WORD PERMEABILITY. 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THIS HOUSE JUST FEELS REALLY MASSIVE AND PERMEABLE TO ME. RIGHT. BUT, UH, WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK OF THIS SECTION AND THE FRONT FACADE, ALL THE ELEMENTS WE ARE ARTICULATING WITH DIFFERENT CLEARANCE. SO THERE IS OPERATION NOT ALSO ON THE DEPTH, BUT ALSO THE ELEMENTS HAVE A, A RIGHT POSITION TO, TO MAINTAIN LIKE PRIVACY, BUT ALSO NOT, UH, HAVE A PERMEABILITY BETWEEN THE DOOR AND THE DOOR. THIS IS WHAT I'M GONNA RECOMMEND, I THINK, BECAUSE I GET THE SENSE TOO THAT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT, I CAN'T SPEAK, BUT I FEEL LIKE AT LEAST THE TWO OF US, I, I'M JUST HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THE PARTS OF THE WHOLE AND YOU'RE LIKE, YOU CAN SEE THROUGH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHEN YOU COME BACK NEXT TIME, IF YOU COULD BUILD US A MODEL. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ELABORATE, BUT JUST SO, 'CAUSE WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING HERE, IT'S, I WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WHAT I'M SEEING, THEY'RE NOT REALLY MATCHING UP. AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD REALLY HELP YOUR CASE. AND I, IT WOULD CONVEY YOUR IDEA BETTER THAN THESE FLAT DRAWINGS BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM LIKE THERE ARE SOME PRETTY SOPHISTICATED INNER WORKINGS OF THE MASSING HAPPENING. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COURTYARD, I DON'T UNDER, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE COURTYARD IS THE LAST SLIDE. LEMME SHOW YOU THE COURT AND IT'S EXCESSIVE. CAN YOU GO TO A 16? BECAUSE I THINK THAT ONE SHOWS AT LEAST THE, THIS IS THE, THE O OKAY. THIS IS THE OVER THE FIRST FLOOR. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TRYING TO SAY FROM THE, UH, FRONT SET BACK TO THE BACK OF THE, UH, THE BACKYARD. OKAY. SO THE CO YARD IS CONNECTING, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THAT, UH, ACCESS FROM, UH, NORTH TO SOUTH. SO WE HAVE, WELL, THIS IS THE, I'M [04:30:01] SORRY, HERE. OKAY, SO, UH, THE COARD CONNECT FROM NORTH TO SOUTH WEST TO, UH, EAST. AND ALSO WE HAVE, UH, PARTIALLY OPEN, UH, TO THE SKY. SO IT'S, THE COARD IS BASICALLY OPEN TO, UH, THE REST OF THE HOUSE. SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT ACCESS. THE CO YARD IS OPEN TO THE OFFICE, BUT WE HAVE PRIMARILY, WE HAVE, WE ARE PROPOSING GLAZED PANELS, UH, BETWEEN THE OFFICE AND THE FAMILY. YEAH, I THINK, UH, THAT'S, I THINK IT WOULD BEST CONVEY WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY. AGAIN, YOU GUYS HAVE TO COME BACK ANYWAY, IF YOU COULD HAVE SOME SORT OF MODEL OR SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. IS IT, CAN YOU BRING UP A 16? I DISAGREE RESPECTFULLY. LIKE IT FEELS VERY LIGHT TO ME. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, I MEAN, I, I DON'T DISAGREE. THEY HAVE TO COME BACK ANYWAYS, SO IF, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'LL HELP, YOU KNOW, YOU UNDERSTAND, I, I GET THIS SENSE OF, OF AIRINESS. I KNOW THAT IT'S CONCRETE. I KNOW THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE IMPOSING, YEAH, I GUESS THIS IS MIGHT HELP. OKAY. SO THAT SHOWS THE BOTTOM, THE BOTTOM RIGHT ONE. SO THAT'S THE RIGHT. SO, AND PART OF MY POINT POINT, YOU'RE BACK THERE. YEAH. PART OF MY POINT TOO IS THAT THIS FACADE LOOKS RADICALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER SIDE. MM-HMM. . AND THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST SOME SORT OF COHESION. THIS DOES LOOK LIGHT AIR, BUT YOUR FRONT FACADE IS, IS VERY IMPOSING, WHICH IS I, WHICH IS INTENTIONAL. BUT THE ELEMENTS, THE ARCHITECTURAL NCE THAT WE WANT TO WRAP IT UP, THE, THE OVER ARCHITECTURAL IS THE ROOF. THE LINES OF THE EVE OF THE, OF THE BUILDING IS THE, THE CONNECT, THE CONNECTORS THAT INVOLVE ALL THE BUILDING, ALL THE MASSIVE, RIGHT? SO WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE SOME PRIVACY IN THE FRONT YARD, BUT WE WANNA OPEN IN THE, IN THE REAR YARD. BUT INTERNALLY, THE LA IS CONNECTED, RIGHT? NO, NO. I, I, I, YES. NO. OKAY. I'M UNDERSTANDING THE CONCEPT. SO, AND I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IT, IT'S, IT'S IMPO. IT'S TO THE POINT THAT IT'S IMPOSING LIKE IT'S TOO MUCH. SO IN LOOKING AT A 16, UM, THE GROUND FLOOR THERE, THAT APPARENTLY HAS SOME CHASE LOUNGES OR CHAIRS THAT'S PART OF THE COURTYARD? OR IS THAT JUST THE UNDERSTORY? THAT'S THE UNDERSTORY. OKAY. SO, UM, THIS VIEW OF THE HOUSE, MM-HMM, , THE REAR VIEW OF THE HOUSE FACING THE OCEAN, UM, HAS I THINK WHAT THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS RECOMMENDING THAT IT ISN'T A FLAT FRONT, UM, AS WE HAVE IN THE FRONT VIEW OF THE HOUSE. BUT IT'S STAGGERED, YOU KNOW, IT APPEARS TO BE STAGGERED ANYWAYS. UM, AND I THINK IF YOU WERE TO WORK ON THE FRONT, UM, OF DESIGN OF THE HOUSE TO COMPLY MORE WITH WHAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS SAYING, I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD GIVE A MORE INVITING AND A LESS SOLID BLOCK IN THE FRONT OF THE HOME. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M EXPRESSING MYSELF. NO, I AGREE. MAY I TRY TO, SORRY. I'M THE OWNER OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY. HI. IF I COULD JUST TRY TO EXPLAIN THE, THE FACADE. YES. I THINK THAT, THAT YOUR, YOUR, YOU THINK IT'S VERY IMPOSING, WHICH IT'S AN OPINION. YEAH. YEAH. BUT I WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT THE, THE SHOW ME THE, THE, THE LOUVERS. YES. LOOK, IF YOU SEE, YOU SEE THE SPACE IN BETWEEN THE LOUS, YOU HAVE MAYBE I WOULD SAY 70% OF OPEN SPACE. AND INSIDE THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE HERE. YOU'RE FACING SOUTH. SO THIS IS THE STREET. YEAH. SO FROM THE STREET, EVEN IF YOU HAVE LOUVERS, YOU CAN SEE THROUGH IT AT THE RATE. PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE SOME CLOSER. I THINK IT'S ABOUT 70%. I, I DIDN'T CALCULATE IT. I, I, I'M, I'M GUESSING FROM THIS, THE LOUVER ITSELF IS A STRAIGHT SHOT DOWN. IT'S A STRAIGHT LINE DOWN. AND WHAT PLANNING IS SAYING, AND THEY, THEY'RE HERE, THEY CAN SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, BUT AT LEAST WHAT, WHAT I'M SEEING, UM, IS THAT WHERE THE LOUVERS ALLOW THAT MUCH VISIBILITY, IT'S STILL IN THE FRONT OF THE HOME. IT'S STRAIGHT FROM THE TOP FLOOR ALL THE WAY DOWN, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE UNDERSTORY. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE TWO WALLS THAT GO FROM TOP TO BOTTOM FLOOR, INCLUDING THE UNDERSTORY, WHICH IS THE ENTRANCE. IT DOESN'T HAVE, BECAUSE THOSE LOUVRES AND, AND ENTRANCE WALLS ARE A STRAIGHT LINE DOWN. IT DOESN'T GIVE ANY PERS ANY, UM, UM, DEPTHS INTO THE FRONT OF THE DESIGN. IT'S ALL ONE. IT APPEARS, IF IT'S ALL ONE. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING TO UNDERSTAND, TO KNOW IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY. YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR THE [04:35:01] STRUCTURE BEHIND THE LOUVERS THAT ARE MORE THAN FIVE, THAT ARE FIVE FEET DEEP. I THINK OUR CONCERN IS WITH THE LOUVERS THEMSELVES. THE, IT'S THE LOUVERS THEMSELVES. AND I, AND THEN TO ADD, ADD TO IT, IT'S THE TWO WALLS THAT FORM THE ENTRANCE TO THE HOUSE. EVERYTHING IS FLAT AND, AND AND TALL IN THE BACK AND TALL IN THE BACK. YOU MAY HAVE IT SET BACK. WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T SEE IT. UM, BUT IF THAT CAN BE CHANGED SOMEHOW SO THAT IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO GIVE A FLAT, UM, DESIGN IN THE FRONT, MAYBE SOME OF THE LOUVERS DON'T GO ALL THE WAY UP. I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW YOU WANT TO, HOW YOU, YOU WANT TO, WHAT, WHAT ABOUT, I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE. AND IF WE LEFT THE LOUVERS ALONE, BUT THE, THE DOOR, LIKE THE CENTERPIECE, WHICH IS ALL SOLID WOOD, SUCH WHICH IS SOLID WOOD AND IT'S VERY TALL. AND THEN THE, THE SPACE ABOVE THE DOOR, NO, NOT THE WALLS, THE ACTUAL, THE DOOR AND THEN THE SPACE ABOVE THE DOOR. LIKE WHAT IF WE PLAYED WITH MATERIALITY THERE, MAKING THAT TRANSPARENT, OR MAYBE THAT GETS SET BACK. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BREAK UP THE RELIEF. YEAH, I MEAN ALSO WE'RE NOT THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE YEAH, JUST, NO, NO, NO. IT'S WHAT I, IT'S LIKE I, I I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO RESOLVE THIS, BUT IT, THIS IS THE IMPRESSION I, I AGREE WITH. I THINK IT SEEMS LIKE, AT LEAST MYRON, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AGREEING, BUT WE'RE AGREEING VERY MUCH WITH THE STAFF THAT THERE'S ALL OF THESE ELEMENTS THAT YOU HAVE AT THE FRONT THAT MAKE IT SEEM IMPOSING AND UNFRIENDLY. AND THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO PERHAPS INCORPORATE PRIVACY THAT DON'T MAKE IT READ LIKE YOU HAVE A HOUSE THAT'S ENCIRCLED BY TO LIKE A BIG FENCE. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. THE LUBER, FOR US, IT'S LIKE A LAYER THAT IS, IS LIKE A ELEMENT. THE FACADE HAS THE STEP IN ALL THE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP. AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ELEMENTS MIGHT BE, UH, IMPORTANT, BUT WE TRY TO PLAY WITH THE MATERIALITY, WHICH SOME ELEMENT ELEMENTS ARE IN CON LIKE A CONCRETE TESTER, BUT THE OTHER ONES WITH WOOD. SO IT BRINGS LIKE A BALANCE ON THE, WELL, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, THAT MAYBE YOUR PRESENTATION, THAT MAYBE IF WE SAW A 3D MODEL THAT SHOWED THE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT LINES AND THE STRUCTURES AND THE OPENNESS AND THE CLOSENESS THAT MAYBE CAN'T BE EXPRESSED AS WELL IN A 2D RENDERING, THAT WOULD BECOME MORE APPARENT TO US. THE RHYTHM AND THE OPENNESS. AND, AND TO ME, I I, I DON'T NEED THE 2D RENDERING. I'M JUST CONCERNED WITH THE LOOK OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE LOOK OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. MM-HMM. . AND I THINK THAT GOES INTO PLAY WITH WHAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS RECOMMENDING. MM-HMM. . AND IT'S ALSO THE, THE MATERIALS THAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THESE HEAVY, I MEAN, YOU HAVE CONCRETE AND STONE AND BROWN, LIKE IT'S DARK AND IT'S HEAVY. AND, AND IT'S, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE LOUVRES ARE MEANT TO LET LIGHT IN, BUT AGAIN, YOU HAVE A LOT OF THEM. UM, YEAH, I MEAN THIS IS, THIS IS THE, THE FEEDBACK. I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ALL SORT OF TOUCHING ON SIMILAR THINGS, BUT YEAH, I, I KNOW THAT DOING THE 3D MODELS ARE EXPENSIVE. MAYBE IT CAN BE JUST DONE ON PAPER NEXT TIME YOU COME BACK IN ONE OF THE RED, YOU AT POINT, WE, WE HAD SOMEBODY WHO OFTEN HAD, CAN SEE WE ALL FOR INQUIRE 3D MODELS. DO YOU REMEMBER WE HAD A BOARD MEMBER WHO OFTEN, EVEN IF IT WAS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, A A A BUT TO THE POINT OF IT IS TIMELY AND COSTLY. YEAH. IT'S, AND WE ARE ALREADY INCONVENIENCED BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT A FULL BOARD TODAY TO, I'M NOT SAYING I APOLOGIZE. AND YOU KNOW, HE ONLY TOLD ME IT'S NOT 15 MINUTES AGO. I I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. IT'S, IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT IT IS. UM, BUT I WOULDN'T WANNA LOSE ANY MORE TIME. I MEAN, I THINK THAT ROGELIO'S GONNA TELL US IF WE DON'T GET REVISIONS TO YOU BY NEXT MONDAY, THAT WE ALREADY LOSE, IT'S ALREADY TWO MONTHS BEFORE WE HAVE TO COME, WE CAN COME BACK. SO, UH, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, OUR BURDEN IS, UH, DOUBLED BECAUSE OF THE SHORT BOARD. UH, THE OTHER MEMBERS AREN'T HERE. THEY DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO HEAR OUR PRESENTATION AND YOUR THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS. SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY, UH, FOR ME TROUBLING THAT I WOULDN'T WANT TO JUST BE, WE, I APPRECIATE THE, UH, SUGGESTION IF THAT'S WHAT WE CAN KEEP IT AT FOR OUR MODEL. WE CAN SEE IF WE CAN GET IT DONE. BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE REQUIRED TO DO IT. IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, AND WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO OBVIOUSLY COME BACK WITH A WAY TO, UH, EXPRESS IT. IT WAS A SUGGESTION BECAUSE I, YOU CLEARLY HAVE A A POINT OF VIEW AND IT'S CLEARLY THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR DESIGN. YES. AND I WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THAT AS EFFECTIVELY AS POSSIBLE. AND YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK TO SEE IT IN 3D WOULD BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE YOUR IDEA BEST, BUT THAT'S JUST MY SUGGESTION. BUT OVERALL, YES, WE HAVE SOME CRITICISMS OF THE DESIGN. I, I JUST, I THINK I HEAR THE SAME THING FROM HER. I PERSONALLY DO NOT NEED A 3D IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING ON PAPER. 'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S TIME CONSUMING AND COSTLY TO DO THOSE 3D MODELS. BUT, UM, [04:40:01] UM, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SEE NEXT TIME YOU COME BACK SOME CHANGE TO THE FRONT. UM, THAT GOES MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS SAYING. YEAH. I'M WONDERING FOR THE 3D MODEL ISSUE, LIKE COULD WE DO, WE DO HAVE A 3D MODEL. OH, DO YOU WANNA SEE? OH YEAH. LIKE MAYBE YOU DO A VIDEO WALKTHROUGH OR SOMETHING THROUGH YOUR, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE, THE CAN I SHOW IT? CAN SHOW IT. YEAH. YEAH. SURE. I, I THINK I'M, YOU KNOW WHAT THOUGH? I THINK IT HAS TO BE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD. YES. RIGHT. ANYTHING THAT YOU SUBMIT. SO FOR NEXT TIME IN THE PAST THOUGH, I DON'T KNOW IF THE SYSTEM HAS BEEN UPGRADED, BUT THERE'S MAYBE A LIMIT TO THE FILE SIZE AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET THOSE. YEAH, THAT'S BEEN, IT'S, THAT I THINK IS, THAT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TOO. PROBLEM. I, I THINK THAT IS STILL A PROBLEM. UM, I'LL VERIFY IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S CHANGED BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A NEW AGENDA SYSTEM. UM, BUT THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM IN THE PAST. I WONDER TOO, IF EVEN, UM, LIKE A, NOT A LASER PRINTER, BUT A 3D PRINTER WOULD BE A LESS EXPENSIVE WAY TO CREATE. I, I DON'T KNOW. BUT IF WE HAVE A VISUAL 3D THAT WE CAN MOVE AROUND YEAH, YEAH. SOME SOMETHING LIKE A RENDERING, BUT WE CAN MOVE AROUND SOMETHING. WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THE FILE IS GONNA BE TOO BIG FOR THE CITY SYSTEM TO HANDLE. SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S YEAH, THAT WOULD BE FINE. YEAH. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION TO CONVEY YOUR IDEA. WE APOLOGIZE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A FULL BOARD TODAY, BUT HOPEFULLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING, BUT YOU'VE GOTTEN SOME COMMENTS AND SO, UM, EVEN IF WE WOULD'VE HAD OUR FOURTH MEMBER TODAY, IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN APPROVED. UM, SO, UM, I HOPE THAT THESE COMMENTS HELP YOU FOR THE NEXT PRESENTATION. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US? UM, I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE A BIT OF LIKE GOOD DIRECTION OF WHERE, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATIONS WHERE WE'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT? SO WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD FROM STAFF WAS THAT THE STRUCTURE BEHIND IS AT MORE THAN FIVE FEET. 'CAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOUVERS, ACTUALLY THE LOUVERS ON BOTH SIDES ARE NOT AT THE SAME DEPTH. ONE IS AT TWO SOMETHING AND THE OTHER ONE AT THREE SOMETHING. I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER. I CAN LOOK AT IT. SO THEY'RE NOT AT THE SAME. SO THE, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS ACTUALLY FOR THE STRUCTURE BEHIND AND WHERE THE ROOMS WERE, WHICH IS THE TWO ROOMS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, AND THE ONE ROOM ON THE, ON THE FIRST FLOOR, BECAUSE THIS PART IS ACTUALLY MAYBE 15 FEET DEEP, RIGHT? YOU HAVE THE GARDEN WHERE YOU HAVE THE, THE, HOW DID WE CALL IT? I'M SORRY? QUARTER THE COURTYARD. I'M SORRY. MM-HMM. . WHERE YOU COURT HERE YOU HAVE 20 FEET OR 50 FEET OF DEPTH. MM-HMM, . THE OTHER ONE, WE, THIS IS WHY WE, WE TALKED ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER ABOUT BRINGING THE, THE ONE OF THE ROOM CLOSER. SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE FIVE FEET, YOU WOULD HAVE FOUR FEET. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE, THE ISSUE BECAUSE REALLY THE ISSUE YOU HAVE, THE ISSUE IS WITH THE, THE STRICTNESS OF THE, OF THE LOUVERS. CORRECT. THE LEVERS DON'T ALLOW YOU TO SEE THE CODE REQUIREMENT OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE IN THE BACK. YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMPLYING WITH THE CODE REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE IS SET BACK AT 35 FEET, WHICH THE REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE IS THAT 35% OF THE SECOND FLOOR BE SET BACK AN ADDITIONAL FIVE FEET FROM THE REQUIRED SETBACK, WHICH IS 30 FEET. SO YOU COMPLY WITH THAT REQUIREMENT. OUT OF THOSE 35, OUT OF THOSE FIVE FEET THAT WE NEED TO BE 35 FEET, SORRY, THAT WE NEED, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PART WHICH IS A THAT IS AT 50 FEET. MM-HMM. . SO WE DO HAVE DEPTH MM-HMM. WE, WE DIDN'T , BUT IT CAN'T BE SEEN. IT CAN'T BE SEEN BECAUSE OF ALL THE LOUVERS. SO MAYBE WE CAN IN THE FRONT THAT REMOVE FLAT, REMOVE SOME OF THE LOU MAKE IT JUST LOOKS LIKE ONE FLAT IN THE FRONT. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE THINKING THAT YOU COULD WITH THE LOUS AROUND THE LOU BIT, BIT LOUVERS, CREATE MORE, NOT THE STRUCTURE OPENNESS BEHIND THE LOUVERS BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT YOU HAVE DIFFERENT DEPTHS BEHIND THE LOUVERS, BUT IT CAN'T BE SEEN. SO IF YOU PLAY WITH THE LOUVERS, AS ROGELIO IS SAYING, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO, CAN WE PUT, CAN WE PUT THAT ON THE SCRIPT? THIS? YEAH. OKAY. CAN HE PROJECT SOMETHING ON THE, THE SCREEN HE WANTS? IF WE REDUCE THE QUANTITY OF THE LOOPERS TO INCREASE THE PERMEABILITY ON THE FACADE, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU, UH, MAYA PROOF. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. WE HAVE TO SEE IT. WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO DO IT. YOU KNOW, I, I CAN'T, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO PIECEMEAL BE LIKE, OH YEAH, THAT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE JUST SEE THIS. AND YET BEHIND THIS, WHICH IS THE LOUVERS AND THE TWO, UH, WALLS THAT MARK THE ENTRANCE ARE DIFFERENT DEPTHS OF THE HOME. BUT WE, WE DON'T SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, SO YOU DON'T REALLY SEE ANY ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOME. YOU JUST SEE THE LOUVERS AND THE WALL FOR THE ENTRANCE ONE FLAT AREA. YEAH. I, I THINK ALSO TOO, IN THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE THIS IS ON, BUT NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE THE WHITE SORT OF COLUMNS IN THE CENTER THAT ARE, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE IT ON THE END, THE SIDE END. SO, SO AGAIN, IT JUST, IT THAT'S, I THINK ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO THE FACT THAT IT SEEMS LIKE VERY IMPOSING [04:45:01] THAT YOU HAVE THESE VERY TALL COLUMNS AND THE FLAT ROOF, IT ALL COMBINED. IT DOES HAVE THAT EFFECT OF, OF IT BEING VERY IMPOSING. AND SO I FEEL LIKE THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO PLAY WITH, BUT YEAH. MM-HMM. . OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. I MEAN, AND WHEN I SAY ARE WE GOOD? YOU HAVE SOME DIRECTION AS TO WHERE WE'RE THINKING AND REALIZE THAT, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT HE HAD TO LEAVE, BUT AGAIN, I THINK THIS WOULD'VE BEEN CONTINUED ANYWAY. UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE WAIVER ON THE SIDE, I ACTUALLY DON'T AGREE WITH, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'VE COMPLIED WITH THE INTENT OF THE CODE. HOWEVER, IF MAYBE THERE'S MORE OF A 3D MODEL WHERE I CAN SEE THE CUTOUTS AND THE DEPTH AND THE RECESSES, MAYBE IT WILL CONVEY A SENSE OF, OF LIGHT, HAVE THE OPINION. YOU EXPLAIN THAT WAIVER. YES. SO, SO THE CODE REQUIRES THAT WHEN THE, WHEN YOU HAVE A TWO STORY VOLUME ON A SIDE YARD SETBACK THAT EXCEEDS 60 FEET, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN OPEN SPACE EQUIVALENT TO 1% OF THE LOT AREA. AND IT MUST HAVE A DEPTH OF EIGHT FEET BE REGULARLY SHAPED AND BE OPEN TO THE SKY. UM, SO IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE EXCEEDING THAT DIMENSION BY NINE FEET. SO MOST OF THAT DIMENSION THAT THEY'D BE EXCEEDING WOULD HAVE TO BE AN OPEN COURTYARD. AND, AND SO THEY'RE NOT COMPLYING WITH THAT, THAT STRICT REQUIREMENT. SO THEY'VE REQUESTED A WAIVER WHICH IS ALLOWED, UH, TO BE APPROVED BY THE DRB. AND THAT OPEN COURTYARD, UM, ON THE SEC, ON THE FIRST LIVABLE FLOOR DOES NOT QUALIFY THEM. CORRECT. IT NEEDS TO BE FROM THE GROUND ALL THE WAY UP. OKAY. AND THE, THE INTENT OF THAT CODE IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE JUST THIS LONG, SOLID, EXPANSIVE WALL RIGHT NEXT TO YOU. LIKE, LIKE THEY HAVE, OH, WELL REMEMBER THE SECOND FLOOR, WHAT I'M SAYING, MAYBE IT'S JUST HARD TO, TO READ. THAT'S MULTIPLE DIFFERENT DEPTHS. THE SECOND FLOOR HAS DIFFERENT, THAT'S WHAT, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. AND THAT, SO IS THE FIRST FLOOR WITH ALL OF ITS OPENNESS BECAUSE IT'S AN UNDERSTORY. YEAH. WHAT DOESN'T HAVE IT IS THE THIRD FLOOR, THE, WITH THE SECOND LIVABLE FLOOR. THE SECOND LIVABLE, YEAH. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT JUST BE THE MATERIALS AREN'T CONVEYING THAT. 'CAUSE FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MEET THAT INTENT. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST THAT YOU'LL SEE CLEAR ON THROUGH THE HOUSE. I MEAN THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S A VIEW. OKAY. I MEAN THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S A VIEW. I THINK THAT COULD BE EXPANDED UPON SOMETHING. THANK YOU. IT'S TYPICALLY 10 MINUTES. OKAY. SO I, UM, I THINK THAT YOU HAVE SOME DIRECTION. ANY OTHER COMMS OR QUESTIONS FOR US? GOOD. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, OKAY. I THINK WE SHOULD ADJOURN OUR MEETING. SO THE REMAINDER [6. DRB23-0960, 704 84TH STREET - Denbora Bay II] [7. DRB23-0961, 2125 BAY DRIVE – Denbora Bay III] [FUTURE MEETING DATE REMINDER: November 5, 2024] OF THE AGENDA IS CONTINUED TO THE, UH, NOVEMBER 5TH MEETING. LET ME JUST SAY THE FILE NUMBERS IN CASE ANYBODY'S LISTENING. UM, SO THAT'S DRB 23 DASH 0 9 60. THAT'S FOR 7 0 4 80 FOURTH STREET, KNOWN AS DBO BAY TWO, THEN DRB 23 DASH 0 9 6 1. THAT'S FOR 2125 BAY DRIVE. THAT'S FOR DBO BAY THREE. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THIS ITEM, WHICH IS DRB 24 10 38, WHICH IS 1265 NORTH BISCAYNE POINT ROAD. THOSE THREE ITEMS WILL BE CONTINUED TO THE NOVEMBER 5TH MEETING. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SEE YOU NEXT MAN. AND LIO, IS THAT THE DEADLINE FOR THAT? UM, I THINK WE NEED, CAN YOU WORK WITH US? UM, WE, WE USUALLY GET, UH, BY THE 14TH, MONDAY THE 14TH FIRST THING, THE 14TH. OKAY. SO THAT GIVES US A WEEK TO REVIEW AND, AND, AND REVISE OUR STAFF REPORTS. ALL RIGHT. SO MONDAY THE 14TH, IF YOU WISH TO MAKE THE NOVEMBER MEETING, NOT, WE HAVE THE DECEMBER 13TH, I BELIEVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO WE JUST, YOU'RE WELCOME. THEY DIDN'T CALL, NO SORRY, DECEMBER 10TH, OR NO, 17TH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.