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PLEASE STAND BY.WE ARE GOING ON AIR IN 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE OCTOBER 8TH, UH, MEETING OF THE MIAMI BEACH HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
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I WILL ASK DEBBIE ETT TO START US OFF.BOARD MEMBERS AND EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE.
UM, THIS MORNING, UH, I DID PASS OUT TO THE BOARD MEMBERS AN UPDATED AGENDA.
THIS AGENDA IS ALSO POSTED ONLINE.
UM, THE ONLY CHANGE TO THE AGENDA THIS MORNING IS THERE IS A DISCUSSION ITEM THAT WILL BE HEARD, UH, REGARDING 1436 PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE, AND THAT WILL BE AT THE END OF THE AGENDA.
UH, SO THE ORDER REMAINS THE SAME.
I HAVE NO OTHER UPDATES, BUT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO NICK CLAUSS FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR THE NOTICE REGARDING LOBBYIST REGISTRATION, UM, AND THE SWEARING END OF THE, THE PUBLIC WISHING TO TESTIFY.
AND GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD WILL BE CONDUCTED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH THE BOARD PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AT MIAMI BEACH CITY HALL AND APPLICANT STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM.
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IF YOU'RE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A BUSINESS, A CORPORATION, OR ANOTHER PERSON, YOU NEED TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
IF YOU HAVEN'T REGISTERED YET, YOU SHOULD REGISTER BEFORE YOU SPEAK TO THE BOARD.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ONLY ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF AND NOT ANY OTHER PARTY, OR IF YOU'RE TESTIFYING AS AN EXPERT WITNESS, PROVIDING ONLY SCIENTIFIC, TECHNICAL, OR OTHER SPECIALIZED INFORMATION OR TESTIMONY IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING, OR IF YOU'RE APPEARING AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION OR REIMBURSEMENT FOR YOUR APPEARANCE TO EXPRESS SUPPORT OF OR OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM.
EXPERT WITNESSES AND REPRESENTATIVES OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SHALL PRIOR TO APPEARING DISCLOSE IN WRITING TO THE CITY CLERK, THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THE PRINCIPLE ON WHOSE BEHALF THEIR COMMUNICATING.
UM, LASTLY, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO SWEAR IN ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR STAFF WILL BE TESTIFYING TODAY.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU.
[1. September 10, 2024 meeting ]
UM, BOARD MEMBERS, THE FIRST, UH, ITEM THIS MORNING IS THE APPROVAL OF THE SEPTEMBER 10TH, UH, MEETING MINUTES.DO WE HAVE ANY EDITS OR A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY.
[2. HPB23-0571, 321 Jefferson Avenue.]
HAVE ONE, UH, DEFERRAL THIS MORNING.THIS IS HPB 23 0 5 7 1 AT 3 21 JEFFERSON AVENUE.
UH, THIS APPLICATION IS BEING DEFERRED AND WILL REQUIRE A FULL RE-NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC, UM, FOR, FOR THE DATE, IT WILL RETURN TO THE BOARD.
SO NO ACTION IS REQUIRED THIS MORNING FOR THIS.
[3. HPB24-0626 a.k.a. HPB20-0379, 2901-2911 Indian Creek Drive.]
GOING TO THE FIRST REGULAR AGENDA ITEM, WE HAVE HPV 24 0 6 2 6.THIS IS 29 0 1 TO 29 11 INDIAN CREEK.
AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING MODIFICATIONS TO A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS, THE RENOVATION, RESTORATION, AND RELOCATION OF ONE BUILDING, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A DETACHED RESIDENTIAL ADDITION AND MULTIPLE VARIANCES FROM THE REQUIRED PEDESTAL AND TOWER SETBACKS, AND TO EXCEED THE PROJECTION ALLOWED IN THE REQUIRED YARDS.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR THE TOTAL DEMOLITION AND RECONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TO BE RETAINED AND RELOCATED ON THE SITE.
UM, SO THIS IS A RELATIVELY COMPLEX SITE, UH, LOCATED WITHIN THE COLLINS, UH, WATERFRONT, UH, LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, EXCUSE ME.
UM, THERE WERE THREE BUILDINGS, UH, THE SOUTHERN.
THERE ARE THREE BUILDINGS ON THE SITE.
THE SOUTHERN PARCEL 29 0 1 INDIAN CREEK CONTAINS A TWO STORY, UH, POSTWAR MODERN, UH, BUILDING.
THE NORTHERN PARCEL 29 11 CONTAINS TWO STRUCTURES.
THE WESTERN STRUCTURE ADJACENT TO INDIAN CREEK WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1936 AND DESIGNED BY CHOPPA IN SOUTHWELL AND THE MEDITERRANEAN REVIVAL ART DECO STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE.
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UM, AS NOTED IN THE BACKGROUND SECTION OF OUR ANALYSIS ON JANUARY 12TH, 2021, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD DID APPROVE THE PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDED, UH, THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF BOTH THE 1938 AND 1962 STRUCTURES.THE, UM, REMAINING STRUCTURE WAS APPROVED TO BE RELOCATED, SO IT WOULD FRONT AN INDIAN CREEK CURRENTLY, UM, IT'S WITHIN THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND IT'S NOT ENTIRELY VISIBLE, SO THEY WERE GOING TO RELOCATE THE STRUCTURE TOWARD INDIAN CREEK AND REORIENT IT.
SO THE FRONT WOULD BE FACING, UM, INDIAN CREEK.
UM, SINCE THAT TIME OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED FOR A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE APPROVED PROJECT.
HOWEVER, DURING THE COURSE OF THE PERMITTING, UM, THEY NOTED AND, AND HAVE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WHO HAS LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY AND HAS NOTED THAT THE, UM, OVERALL STRUCTURAL CONDITIONS OF THE BUILDING DO NOT, UM, FACILITATE.
UM, THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER HAS SUBMITTED A REPORT SAYING THE BUILDING, THE EXISTING BUILDING IS NOT PROPERLY REINFORCED, WOULD HAVE TO BE CUT INTO MULTIPLE PIECES, AND IT'S LIKELY NOT SALVAGEABLE, UM, TO BE, TO BE RELOCATED.
SO THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS TO ACTUALLY DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE WHILE SALVAGING SOME OF THE MORE ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT FEATURES INCLUDING, UH, THE CURVED ENTRY STAIRS, DECORATIVE PLANTER, AND EXTERIOR TILES THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE REINCORPORATED INTO THE RECONSTRUCTION.
UM, SO BASED ON THOSE REPRESENTATIONS, UM, IN THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED MADE BY THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, OUR STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE DEMOLITION AND RECONSTRUCTION.
UM, WE DO FIND IT, UH, EXTREMELY IMPORTANT NOT ONLY FOR THIS PROPERTY, BUT FOR THE SURROUNDING COLLINS WATERFRONT, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT TO GET THIS PROPERTY BACK TO ACTIVE USE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THIS HAS BEEN A VACANT SITE, UM, FOR NEARLY, I THINK FOR OVER A DECADE AND HAS CAUSED, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT, UH, CONCERNS WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AS WELL.
UM, STAFF DID NOTE, AND WE HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING THE EXISTING MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S CHALLENGING WHEN YOU HAVE VACANT BUILDINGS TO SECURE SITES.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE, UM, REGULATIONS IN PLACE IN THE CITY TO THAT REQUIRE SECURING OF PROPERTIES, INCLUDING FENCING REQUIREMENTS AND BOARDING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL VIOLATIONS AS OF THE WRITING OF THIS REPORT.
STAFF NOTED THAT THE PROPERTY DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE IN, UM, GOOD CONDITION.
IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE PROPERLY SECURED AND WOULD RECOMMEND THAT ANY APPROVAL BE CONDITIONED UPON THE APPLICANT, UM, OBTAINING A PROPER FENCING PERMIT WITHIN 120 DAYS, UM, TO BE INSTALLED WITHIN 120 DAYS.
SO WITH THAT, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, UM, SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY.
JUST I HAVE A QUESTION, DEBBIE.
UM, JUST I, WHEN YOU GUYS, 'CAUSE WE HAVE RELOCATED BUILDINGS BEFORE IN THE CITY, AND I, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY, IT SEEMS LIKE A, A MORE COMPLEX, UM, CASE, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS LIKE HOW YOU GUYS VIEW THAT BECAUSE I'VE, I MEAN, IS IT, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A ALSO AN ENGINEERING REPORT HERE AND I JUST, I WANTED TO KIND OF MAYBE PEEL BACK THE LAYER ABOUT, LAYER, LAYER BACK A LITTLE BIT AND JUST UNDERSTAND LIKE KIND OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE, UH, CAME TO THAT DECISION THAT YOU FEEL THAT THERE'S NO ISSUE FOR DEMOLITION IN THIS CASE.
YEAH, SO WE MET WITH THE, I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CONFIDANT HOTEL, I'M THINKING ABOUT LIKE THAT, BUT THAT WAS A VERY SMALL, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS LIKE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT WE HAD RELOCATED TO THE, TO THE EAST SIDE, I BELIEVE.
AND, AND THERE'S ONE ON, UM, JUST SOUTH OF FIFTH STREET THAT WAS RECENTLY SIMILAR PROPERTY.
UM, I DON'T WANNA INTERRUPT LINDSAY.
DO YOU HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S VERY CHALLENGING.
WE MET WITH THE APPLICANT SEVERAL TIMES.
WE EXPRESSED OUR PREFERENCE TO MAINTAIN THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL, UM, AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SHORE UP THE, THE STRUCTURE, EVEN IF IT REQUIRED THE, THE BUILDING TO BE CUT INTO PIECES, WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON WHEN YOU'RE MOVING STRUCTURES FOR, UM, CUTS TO BE MADE IN PROPERTIES.
EACH BUILDING HAS DIFFERENT, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY, UM, MAINTENANCE ISSUES AND LEVELS OF DETERIORATION
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OF ITS STRUCTURE, BUT ALSO WITH THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, RIGHT? SO WHEN, WHEN SOME BUILDINGS DO, UM, WITH THEIR ORIGINAL DESIGN MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO BE LIFTED AND RELOCATED, UM, AND WE DO LOOK AT EVERYTHING ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO, YOU KNOW, PEER REVIEW, A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER'S REPORT.
UM, UH, YOU THINK THERE'S SOME EXPERTISE ON THIS BOARD, UM, MR. MEYER CERTAINLY.
UM, BUT AT THIS POINT WITH THE CONDITIONS OF THE PROPERTY, WE REALLY THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO GET THIS PROPERTY BACK TO ACTIVE USE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THE FACT THAT THEY ARE ARE PROFFERING TO SALVAGE PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING WOULD MAKE A RECONSTRUCTION MORE AUTHENTIC BY RETAINING ORIGINAL MATERIAL.
UM, AND ULTIMATELY THE FINAL PROJECT WOULD LOOK, WOULD APPEAR TO BE THE SAME AS WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
UM, RAY, YOU HAD A QUESTION? WELL, YES.
UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S ALREADY A DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR THE, UH, THE, THE BIGGER BUILDING ON THAT LOT.
UM, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN WHEN WELL, THEY NEED TO OBTAIN THEIR FULL BUILDING PERMIT.
SO THERE'S THE LARGER STRUCTURE THAT'S THE POSTWAR MODERN STRUCTURE THAT WAS APPROVED TO BE DEMOLISHED, UM, DUE IN LARGE PART TO THE RECONFIGURATION OF INDIAN CREEK.
WHEN INDIAN CREEK WAS, WAS ELEVATED, THAT BECAME, UM, THAT ACTUAL, THE FLOOR OF THE BUILDING BECAME MUCH LOWER THAN THE SIDEWALK AND THE STREET CREATING A SIGNIFICANT, UM, YOU KNOW, FLOODING AND RESILIENCY ISSUE FOR THE PROJECT.
THAT BUILDING, UM, WHICH IS, HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC IN TERMS OF SECURING THE PROPERTY.
I MEAN, I I WILL SAY THAT I, IN THE PAST, AT LEAST, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS SECURED THE PROPERTY, BUT AS YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A, A WHACK-A-MOLE GAME, RIGHT? IT, IT, IT GETS BROKEN INTO AND IT'S A CONSTANT BATTLE TO RESECURE THE BUILDING, UM, THAT CANNOT BE DEMOLISHED BECAUSE IT WAS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING UNTIL THEY OBTAIN A FULL BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE PROJECT, I BELIEVE, AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT THIS WOULD BE THE LAST PIECE THEY NEED IN ORDER TO OBTAIN THAT FULL BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH WOULD THEN ALLOW THE DEMOLITION OF, OF THE, THE NUISANCE STRUCTURE.
I THOUGHT THE CITY HAD ALREADY, UH, CITED IT AS A, A, A BUILDING THAT NEEDED TO BE TORN DOWN SOONER THAN LATER, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS.
UM, BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE HAS NOT BEEN AN ORDER ISSUED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR THE REMOVAL OF THAT BUILDING.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, UM, UH, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY THEY WERE JUST GONNA ROTATE THE BUILDING, UM, BUT BECAUSE THE ROAD HAS BEEN RAISED AND EVERYTHING, NOW THEY HAVE TO ROTATE IT AND RAISE IT.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM.
WHY THIS BUILDING CAN'T BE SAVED IS IT'S, IT'S ASKING TOO MUCH OF AN OLD GIRL.
AND I'LL, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT, UH, SPEAK MORE TO THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THEIR STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING ANALYSIS.
CAN, AND CAN I ASK ONE, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION? YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, YOU'D NEED DETAILED MEASURED DRAWINGS, UM, TO BE COMPLETED.
CAN, CAN YOU JUST SAY A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT IS? 'CAUSE THAT'S THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, WHAT LEVEL OF DETAIL YOU NEED THEM TO HAVE AND YEAH, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY A BEST PRACTICE WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, ANY DEMOLITION OF A, OF A HISTORIC OR CONTRIBUTING BUILDING IS TO HAVE, UM, VERY DETAILED, LARGER SCALE DRAWINGS.
A QUARTER OF AN INCH, A HALF AN INCH FOR CERTAIN DETAILS SIMILAR TO HOW THE HABS HAIR DRAWINGS WOULD BE.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF THE PROFILE DIMENSIONS AT A MUCH LARGER SCALE, WE THINK THAT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY, UM, HELPFUL WHEN WE DO RECEIVE THE PERMIT FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION, UM, SO THAT WE CAN VERIFY THAT ALL OF THOSE DETAILS ARE ACCURATE, AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE.
YES, WE'RE READY FOR YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
GRAHAM PENN BUR DALE FERNANDEZ.
LARKIN TAPAN IS 200 SOUTH BISCAYNE BOULEVARD.
I WANTED TO, UH, BEFORE WE STARTED, I WANTED TO, UH, UPDATE EVERYONE ON THE 1962 BUILDING.
'CAUSE THE 1962 BUILDING RECENTLY WAS ORDERED BY THE UNSAFE STRUCTURES BOARD TO BE DEMOLISHED.
SO, AGAIN, THAT, AS DEBBIE SAID, THAT WAS ALWAYS CONTEMPLATED TO BE DEMOLISHED IN THIS PLAN, BUT IS NOW BEEN ORDERED BY THE UNSAFE STRUCTURES BOARD.
SO WE ARE COMMITTED AND I'LL, AND WE HAVE A SLIDE ON THIS I'LL SHOW YOU TO MOVING FORWARD RAPIDLY AS POSSIBLE.
AND AS DEBBIE INDICATED, THIS IS BASICALLY THE LAST STEP, HOPEFULLY TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE NECESSARY PERMITS.
SO, AGAIN, DID I GET MY ADDRESS? 200 SOUTH BASE GAME BELOW, BUT, OH, AND I THINK WE SHOULD DO DISCLOSURES AS WELL, UH, OF
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MEETINGS.WE DO, WE TYPICALLY DO THEM RIGHT BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YEAH, WE DO A DIFFERENT MOMENT.
SO I'M, I'M FORGETTING THE ORDERS OF OPERATION.
SO LET ME INTRODUCE OUR TEAM TO MY LEFT, OUR ARCHITECT, SEBASTIAN VELA AND REVEREND ROBOT, WHO WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE PRESERVATION ELEMENTS BEHIND ME, MR. ANDY SULLIVAN, OUR, OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.
HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT HIS CONCLUSIONS RELATED TO THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING.
AND BACK THERE SOMEWHERE IS BILL ZITO, UH, FROM OWNERSHIP.
SO IF WE COULD TAKE THE SLIDES UP, I'LL, I'LL TAKE EVERYONE ON A BRIEF TOUR OF THE, OF THE HISTORY AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO ANDY TO TALK ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION.
SO AS DEBBIE INDICATED, THIS IS A COMPLICATED SITE.
SO WE'RE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF 29TH STREET IN INDIAN CREEK, THREE EXISTING BUILDINGS, UH, ON THE PROPERTY.
THE HISTORY STEM, UH, STARTS IN 1936 WHEN THE BUILDING AT ISSUE TODAY WAS BUILT, WHICH IS THE BEST ARCHITECTURAL, UH, EXAMPLE ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, TWO YEARS LATER, AN AN ANNEX, UM, UH, OH, JUST TO TO BE CLEAR, THAT BUILDING FACED SOUTH, SO IT'S BASICALLY, ITS FRONT YARD WAS 29TH STREET.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY TELLS THE STORY ABOUT HOW THINGS GOT MESSED UP IN 19 62, 19 38, UH, ANNEX IS BUILT A VERY PLAIN BUILDING IN COMPARISON.
AND THEN THE POSTWAR BUILDING IN 1962, A LONG BAR BUILDING ALONG, UH, 29TH STREET LINKED TO THE 36TH BUILDING, AWKWARDLY WITH A, A CATWALK, UH, AND BASICALLY RE REARRANGE THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, RIGHT? THE, THE THIRTIES BUILDINGS WERE ESSENTIALLY INVISIBLE SINCE 1962, UH, TO ANYONE.
THIS IS THE APPROVED PLAN, BASICALLY, AS YOU CAN SEE, A THE 1936 BUILDING OCCUPYING PRIDE OF PLACE ON INDIAN CREEK, RAISED TO MODERN STANDARDS, UH, AND ACTIVATED OBVIOUSLY AS WITH RESIDENTIAL USE, WITH A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING BEHIND IT.
NOTHING IN THIS APPLICATION IS CHANGING THAT WHATSOEVER.
THIS IS REALLY JUST THE IMPLEMENTATION OF HOW THAT BUILDING GETS THERE.
UH, AS DEBBIE INDICATED THIS, THIS PROPERTY, LIKE LOTS OF, OF ITS NEIGHBORS, HAS SIGNIFICANT ISSUES WITH ITS, UH, ITS ELEVATION.
THIS IS THE OLD SIDEWALK LEVEL WHERE YOU COULD SEE THAT'S MR. VALEZ FROM, YOU CAN TELL THAT WAS FROM THE PANDEMIC SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WHERE THAT'S, IT WAS BASICALLY AT HIS HEAD, WAS WHAT BASE FLOOD WAS.
AND THIS IS WHAT THE ROAD RAISING HAS DONE TO THE PROPERTY OF INDIAN CREEK.
AND SEE THE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NEW SIDEWALK AND OUR GRADE.
SO THE PLAN FROM THE OUTSET WAS ALWAYS RAISE THIS UP, GET THAT HISTORIC BUILDING UP SO IT'S OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN AND IT CAN, AND IT CAN BE ACTIVATED AND USEFUL FOR DECADES TO COME.
NOW IF YOU'RE OUT THERE TODAY, YOU CAN SEE THAT SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE.
SO THIS IS, AGAIN, IS WHAT THE PLAN WILL IMPLEMENT, RIGHT? THERE'S THE 36, THE RECONSTRUCTIVE 36 BUILDING SAFELY OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN MEETING, CURRENT FLOOD REQUIREMENTS.
AND AS WE DISCUSSED WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST, THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, THE BUOYANT CITY PLAN THAT THAT CALLS FOR THAT KIND OF MOVEMENT TO RAISE THOSE BUILDINGS WHEN WE CAN.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A VIEW OF THE, UH, OF THE ARCHITECTURE.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE, THE METHODOLOGY.
THIS, THIS, UH, BASICALLY THE CONCEPT WAS THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT WERE APPROVED FOR DEMOLITION WOULD BE DEMOLISHED.
WE WOULD NEED TO SLICE THE, THE 36 BUILDING INTO THREE PIECES, PUSH THEM OVER WHILE IT'S OVER ON THE EAST SIDE.
WE WOULD NEED TO FILL THE ENTIRE SITE, UH, BUILD A NEW FOUNDATION FOR THE 36 BUILDING AND MOVE IT OVER.
UH, THAT WAS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED.
NOW I CAN TELL YOU, UH, UH, AS THE OWNERSHIP HAS EXPLAINED TO ME, THIS CONCEPT IS, IS LESS EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW.
IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO.
UM, BUT IT REALLY, BUT WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO GCS, THE CONSENSUS WAS, YOU REALLY NEED TO HAVE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER LOOK AT THIS.
AND THAT'S WHY MR. SULLIVAN WAS BROUGHT IN TO REVIEW IT.
UH, AND ANDY'S REPORT IS OBVIOUSLY IN YOUR PACKAGE.
I'M GONNA HAND WHILE HE'S TALKING, I'M GONNA HAND OUT A CV.
BUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT ANDY, UH, RECOGNIZED WAS, AGAIN, THE VERY NATURE OF THIS BUILDING MAKES THAT PLAN ESSENTIALLY VERY DANGEROUS OR, OR IMPOSSIBLE.
SO, MR. SULLIVAN, SO GOOD MORNING.
UM, I'M AND ANDREW SULLIVAN WITH MCNAMARA SALVIA, UH, STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS.
UH, WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO LOOK AT THIS EXISTING BUILDING AND, AND PRESENT TO YOU THIS MORNING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE THINK THAT THE IMPACTS ARE, UH, FOR RELOCATING IT.
SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE FIRST.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT GENERALLY LOOKS LIKE IT'S A U-SHAPED BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, BASICALLY A PRIMARY BUILDING IN THE FRONT WITH TWO WINGS ON THE SIDE.
IT'S ACTUALLY TECHNICALLY AN EIGHT SHAPED BUILDING.
THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF, OF, OF, UM, PARTS THAT GO OUT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF IT, UM, CURRENTLY, UM, AS WELL.
BUT, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, UM, THE PERIMETER WALLS ARE A BLOCK TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, UH, UNREINFORCED,
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UH, THE ELEVATED LEVEL IS WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION.UH, AND THE ROOF IS ALSO WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION, UM, AS WELL.
UM, AND I GUESS IF WE COULD ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SORRY, IF YOU DON'T MIND,
SO, UH, THIS IS A PHOTO OF, OF STANDING IN THE FRONT COURTYARD.
UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THERE'S, THERE'S PLYWOOD OVER THE WINDOWS AND THE DOOR OPENINGS AT THE, AT THE MOMENT, BUT IT JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW MANY, AND I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE HERE, HOW MANY OPENINGS THERE ARE, UH, IN THIS BUILDING, AND TO RELOCATE IT, TO ACTUALLY LIFT IT UP OFF OF ITS FOUNDATION, YOU'VE GOT TO CUT THE BOTTOM OF THOSE UNREINFORCED WALLS FROM THE FOUNDATION, PUT MORE HOLES THROUGH IT, YOU KNOW, WHERE ALL THOSE EXTRA HOLES GONNA GO IN HERE, UM, TO THEN LIFT THE HOLE STRUCTURE UP THAN TO SLIDE IT OVER TO ROTATE IT, GET IT BACK TO, YOU KNOW, ITS ITS FINAL RESTING PLACE.
SO OUR CONCERN IS MULTIPLE FOLD.
IF WE HAVE MORE OPENINGS IN THIS TYPE OF FACADE THAT'S EVEN SHOWN HERE, JUST TO MOVE IT JUST BY THIS RACKING A LITTLE BIT IN, IN PLAIN, HAS THE ABILITY TO JUST, TO CRUMBLE.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT IF WE NEED TO TAKE THIS APART IN PART, BASICALLY TAKING OFF THE WINGS AND THEN LEAVING THE CENTERPIECE, THAT CENTERPIECE IS NOT A STABLE BOX ANYMORE.
IT'S A TWO-SIDED BOX WITH TWO TWO OPEN ENDS.
THE WINGS THEN END UP BEING A THREE-SIDED BOX WITH, WITH AN OPEN END.
AND JUST BY VIRTUAL OF, OF TRYING TO LIFT THAT ELEMENT AND HAVE IT REMAIN A CONTAINED ELEMENT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE.
THE OTHER THING THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER IS THEN JUST THE CONNECTION OF THE BLOCK WALLS.
AGAIN, UNREINFORCED WITH WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION THAT'S COMING INTO THE SIDE OF IT ON A LEDGER ANGLE AND, AND THE, AND THE ROOF SITTING ON TOP.
AND IT'S NOT A STRUCTURE LIKE WE HAVE TODAY WHERE WE'VE GOT HURRICANE STRAPS THAT ARE TYING THIS THING DOWN AND MAKE THESE ROBUST CONNECTIONS.
SO IF THERE'S ANY RACKING OUT OF PLANE, THOSE CONNECTIONS HAVE NO ABILITY TO RESTRAIN IT, YOU KNOW, DURING ITS MOVEMENT.
SO TO BE HONEST, THE LOGIC WAS THAT INSTEAD OF TAKING THE RISK AND TRYING TO MOVE THIS TO PRESERVE THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO US AND, AND, AND POTENTIALLY BREAK THOSE THINGS IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING IT, THAT WE EXTRACT THE ITEMS THAT ARE ACTUALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE STRUCTURE, WHICH WE CAN MOVE BECAUSE THEY'RE SMALLER BITE-SIZED PIECES THAT WE KNOW THAT WE CAN PRESERVE.
UH, HERE'S JUST ANOTHER SHOT LOOKING AT THE, THE ANOTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING SHOWING THE NUMBER OF OPENINGS.
THIS ALSO SHOWS YOU I DO, I JUST WANNA NOTE BRIEFLY, AND WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY NEED MORE TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS, THE, THE SECOND FLOOR CATWALK THERE WAS, WAS A SIXTIES CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL BE REMOVED IN THE, IN THE NEW DESIGN TO RETURN IT TO, BASICALLY IT'S TWO BY TWO, UH, FORMAT.
SO WITH THAT, LET ME ASK SEBASTIAN EZZ TO TAKE YOU THROUGH THE ELEMENTS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE AND RETAIN.
UH, MY NAME IS SEBASTIAN BEEZ FROM URBAN ROBOT ASSOCIATES, UH, FOUR 20 LINCOLN ROAD.
WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE SITE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING FOR MANY YEARS.
WE'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
IT'S KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A FAVORITE PROJECT IN THE OFFICE.
AND, AND LIKE DEBBIE SAID, WE REALLY WANNA MAKE IT HAPPEN.
UM, SO WE, WE'VE ALWAYS, UH, BEEN FOND OF THIS BUILDING.
WE THINK THAT THIS IS THE MOST, UM, HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT BUILDING ON THE SITE.
AND, UM, AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, DEVELOPING THE FULL STRATEGY OF ROTATING IT, UH, OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE, WE END UP GETTING APPROVAL FOR FROM, BUT REALLY TO SHOWCASE THE BUILDING.
AND WE THINK THAT THE COURTYARD IS, IS THE KEY ELEMENT HERE, ARCHITECTURALLY SPEAKING.
AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED, UH, AS, AS, AS PART OF THIS MODEL, YOU SEE HERE THE DIFFERENT, UH, ELEMENTS THAT REALLY, UH, GIVE, UH, LIFE TO THE BUILDING AND ARE HISTORICALLY, UH, IMPORTANT, INCLUDING THE, UH, THE STAIRCASES, THE ACO, UM, UH, FLOWING STAIRCASES ARE, ARE, ARE BEAUTIFUL AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN, YOU KNOW, GOOD SHAPE.
AND WE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THOSE AS, AS A POTENTIAL TO, YOU KNOW, AS, UH, TAKE AND, AND, AND, UM, REMOVE FROM THE BUILDING PRESERVE AND THEN, UH, INCORPORATE INTO THE NEW STRUCTURE.
ALSO, MINOR ELEMENTS, UH, THAT WE'VE, I IDENTIFIED ARE, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, TILES THAT ARE QUITE NICE.
UM, AND I THINK WE HAVE SOME PICTURES OF THEM HERE.
UH, THESE DECORATIVE FACADE TILES ARE PRIMARILY ON THE COURTYARD SIDE, ALTHOUGH SOME OF THEM ARE ON THE, ON THE CURRENT, UH, WEST ELEVATION AS WELL.
AND THERE'S A FEW OTHER ELEMENTS LIKE THE, THIS, UM, THIS, UH, STEPPING, UH, KIND OF A DECORATIVE, UH, BACK BACKDROP OF THIS, UH, DECORAT, UH, STEPPING ELEMENT.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ALL THE CORNICES AROUND AND, UH, THIS PEDESTALS, UH, THAT WE SEE HOLDING DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.
AND THERE'S JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO TALK MORE ABOUT THIS SLIDE OR NOT.
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THAT, UH, ACTUALLY THE OTHER FACADES ARE QUITE PLAIN.THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, UM, UH, DEVOID OF ANY DECORATION EXCEPT FOR THE CORDES, UH, AND THEN THE WINDOW OPENINGS.
UM, BUT, UH, ANYTHING FACING WEST AND NORTH, UH, AS, AND THEN THE INTERIOR AS WELL.
UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY, UH, TWO, UH, FULL, UH, FIREPLACES INSIDE THAT.
JUST AS A SIDE NOTE, WE, WE LOVE THEM, SO WE ARE ALWAYS, YOU CAN SEE IT, THEY'RE IN THE KIND OF THE MIDDLE, LOWER IMAGE.
WE'RE ALWAYS TAKING THOSE OUT AND PUTTING THEM IN THE NEW TOWNHOUSES.
'CAUSE WE THINK THAT THEY'RE, UH, QUITE BEAUTIFUL.
SO, TO, TO SUM UP, THIS WILL BE THE, THE, THE LAST TOPIC, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, I, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THE, THE TIMING ISSUE BECAUSE STAFF IS CORRECT THAT THIS HAS TAKEN TOO LONG TO GET REALIZED.
WE ARE NOW, AND SEBASTIAN CAN FILL IN ANY DETAILS ON THE, ON THE PERMITTING.
WE HAVE THE MASTER PERMIT IS HOPEFULLY APPROACHING FINAL REVIEW, RIGHT? WE THINK WE'VE GOT AT LEAST MAYBE A COUPLE MORE MONTHS OF THAT LEFT.
UH, UPON THE ISSUANCE OF THAT PERMIT, WE WILL AND, AND THE ASSOCIATE DEMO PERMIT, THEN WE WILL, UH, REMOVE ALL THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS FROM THE 36TH BUILDING, TAKE THEM OFF THE PROPERTY, SAY AND, AND SAFELY, UH, UH, STORE THEM.
AND EITHER THE REMAINING STRUCTURES WILL THEN BE REMOVED AND THE PROPERTY CLEARED AND FILLED.
AND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO COMMENCE WITH THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THIS BUILDING AND THE NEW, AND THE NEW STRUCTURE.
SO THAT, UH, ENDING WITH A PRETTY PICTURE THAT, THAT IS OUR PRESENTATION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, AND I'D LIKE TO RESERVE TIME FOR REBUTTAL.
WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL TODAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, FOR THAT PRESENTATION, I GUESS WE WILL, UH, JUST GO UP THE LINE TO SEE IF ANYBODY, ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS IN, UM, TEARING THAT BUILDING DOWN AND REBUILDING IT.
DO YOU NOT LOSE TAX CREDITS TO DO THAT? SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REALLY LOSING TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING.
SO OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT UNLESS YOU HAD TO.
YEAH, AS I SAID BEFORE, RIGHT? IT'S ALSO MORE EXPENSIVE.
SO WE'RE BOTH LOSING ANY POTENTIAL ADWAR, YOU KNOW, BENEFIT WE GET AND IT COSTS US MORE TO DO IT THIS WAY.
AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS WHEN, ONCE THE SITE IS NOW GONNA BE EMPTY MM-HMM,
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.
BILL, DO YOU HAVE A, ANY THOUGHTS? I'M AFRAID YOU CAN HAVE TO GET TO THE MICROPHONE BILL.
I, 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU, YOU'RE REBUILDING THE BUILDING.
THAT SHOULD BE THE FIRST THING THAT YOU DO TO PROVE THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID WANT TO DO.
UH, BILL ZETO 29 0 1 INDIAN CREEK DRIVE, UH, THE INTENTION WOULD BE TO DO EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME.
THE, THE, THE, THE SMALL BUILDING IN THE BIG BUILDING AT THE SAME TIME.
AT LEAST THE FOUNDATIONS, ABSOLUTELY.
BUT WE COULD ABSOLUTELY CONSIDER BUILDING THE SMALL BUILDING FIRST.
IT WOULDN'T ADJUST OUR TIMELINE AT ALL.
UM, HASKELL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO NO COMMENT.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
WHAT IS THE EXISTING FOUNDATION OF THE, UM, BUILDING THAT'S BEING DEMOLISHED? YOU MIGHT'VE SAID IT, BUT I PROBABLY MISSED IT.
SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE FOUNDATION IS, THERE'S A SHALLOW STRIP FOUNDATION THAT, THAT JUST FOLLOWS THE PERIMETER WALLS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PERIMETER.
HI, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, THIS QUESTION IS DIRECTED TO THE ARCHITECT.
UM, JUST IF YOU COULD, COULD YOU JUST GIVE US A BIT MORE SPECIFICITY ON THOSE HISTORICAL ELEMENTS? UM, I, YOU KNOW, I, I JOTTED THEM DOWN HERE, BUT I THINK IT COULD BE HELPFUL JUST TO PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, DETAIL ON THOSE.
SO, PARTICULARLY THESE, THE DECORATIVE TILE FAC, UM, DECORATIVE TILES.
I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS, THOSE WERE QUITE BEAUTIFUL.
JUST CURIOUS, LIKE, DID YOU GUYS DO AN AUDIT? LIKE HOW MANY ARE THERE, LIKE, HOW ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT INCORPORATING THOSE INTO THE DESIGN? I WASN'T, I DIDN'T REALLY SEE ANY, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTION OF WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN THE RENDERS.
BUT JUST CURIOUS ABOUT KIND OF WHAT YOUR INSPIRATION WAS THERE, UM, ON THE STAIRS THAT I THINK THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
YOU SAID THERE WERE TWO, I BELIEVE THOSE TWO, UH, WHAT'D YOU CALL THEM? THE, THEY WERE THESE SWOOPING ART DECO, UH, STAIRS.
SO, YEAH, I MEAN, IF YOU COULD JUST MAYBE SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THOSE.
AND THEN, THEN THE LAST PIECE, I GUESS WAS THE, YOU YOU CALLED IT A STEPPING, LIKE THOSE KIND OF STEP STAIRS.
IT ARE, ARE YOU PLANNING ON TAKING LIKE THAT IMAGE THERE AND ACTUALLY HAVING IT REMOVED AND SOMEWHERE, AND COULD YOU MAYBE JUST GIVE US SOME MORE SPECIFICITY ON THAT AS WELL? ABSOLUTELY.
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GO FOR THE, TO THE OTHER ONE.SO WE'VE DOCUMENTED THIS BUILDING.
UH, WE'VE HAD A THREE, UH, WE'VE HAD, UH, 3D SURVEY DONE.
WE'VE HAD TWO SURVEYORS, UH, DOCUMENT THE INSIDE, UH, THE FACADES.
WE HAVE A, A BIM MODEL OF THE BUILDING.
UM, AND, UH, THAT'S SERVED AS OUR BASIS, UH, TO REALLY UNDERSTAND AND ANALYZE THE BUILDING FOR THE PROJECT.
NOW, UH, WHEN WE WERE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF, UH, RECONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING, DEMOLISHING THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING, WE, WE WERE TASKED WITH LOOKING AT THE BUILDING AND REALLY, UH, UNDERSTANDING WHAT ARE THE UNIQUE ELEMENTS THAT, UH, MAKE THIS BUILDING, UH, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND, AND, AND ARE IMPORTANT, RIGHT? SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED THOSE ELEMENTS.
UH, AND THE INTENT WOULD BE TO REPLICATE THE BUILDING EXACTLY AS IT IS NOW, AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, RENOVATE THE BUILDING BECAUSE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS, YOU KNOW, HAVE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TILES, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE, UH, REMOVED AND, AND PLACED IN THE SAME LOCATION.
AND, UM, SOME OF THE BRICK WORK, UH, IS NOT IN THE BEST SHAPE.
SO WE WOULD BASICALLY RENOVATE, UH, THAT BRICK WORK.
I THINK DEBBIE, UH, MADE A GOOD POINT, WHICH I THINK THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE IF WE WERE TO, TO RECEIVE APPROVAL, WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, PURSUE A, A PERMIT FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING.
AND IN THAT PLACE, BEFORE WE WOULD DO ANYTHING TO THIS BUILDING, WE WOULD HAVE TO SHOW A VERY, VERY DETAILED DRAWING.
SO WE HAVE A VERY GOOD BASE, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO AND DOCUMENT, UH, EVERY SINGLE BRICK, EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT, UH, VERY CLOSELY, RIGHT? WE, WE HAVE THE MAJOR COMPONENTS IN PLACE.
WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT.
WE'VE, I'VE ACTUALLY GONE IN THERE AND MEASURED CERTAIN THINGS MYSELF WITH MY TEAM.
UH, BUT, UH, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND SOMETHING AS PRECIOUS AS THIS, YOU BASICALLY, WE REALLY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY ELEMENT, ONCE YOU DEMOLISH IT, YOU, YOU HAVE A, A, A, A, YOU KNOW, INSTRUCTIONS TO RECONSTRUCT EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT.
WE ALSO HAVE MICROFILM, UH, THAT HAS BEEN HELPFUL IN KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH ON WHAT, WHAT IS ORIGINAL AND WHAT HAS NOT.
THAT HAS ALLOWED US TO, TO REALIZE WHAT ELEMENTS WERE ORIGINALLY PART OF THE BUILDING AND WHATS OR NOT.
AND THEN WHEN WE WENT FOR THE BOARD APPROVAL, UH, LIKE GRAHAM SAID, SOME OF THESE, UH, CATWALKS WERE NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
UM, THE, THE ELEMENTS ARE, ARE, THEY'RE NOT THAT MANY.
UM, AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S THE DECORATIVE TILES.
THE STAIRCASES REALLY ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
THE CORNES, THE COOLNESS THAT WRAPS AROUND THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
UM, AND THE, THERE'S, UH, THIS KIND OF A STEPPING ELEMENT THAT IS DECORATIVE.
UH, WE THINK WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
SOME OTHERS HAVE THOUGHT THAT MAYBE IT WAS A FOUNTAIN.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT.
I THINK IT'S JUST A BACKDROP FOR A, FOR A PLANTER, IT'S A DECORATIVE ELEMENT.
WE WANT TO KEEP THAT RECONSTRUCT THAT WELL ATTACH IT TO THE RECONSTRUCTIVE BUILDING AND KEEP THAT ELEMENT.
AND OTHER THAN THAT, THOSE ARE THE MAIN ELEMENTS.
AND OUR TASK WOULD BE TO DOCUMENT, UH, AND EVERYTHING AND SO THAT WE CAN RECONSTRUCT IT EXACTLY AS IS.
LINDSAY, I'M HITTING THE WRONG BUTTON.
UH, THIS QUESTION IS, UM, LARGELY FOR MR. SULLIVAN, BUT GRAHAM MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER.
UM, SO YOU HAVE A VERY IMPRESSIVE RESUME HERE.
I AM JUST CURIOUS, HAVE, AND I SAW ON YOUR WEBSITE, YOU'VE DONE SOME ADAPTATION.
HAVE YOU BEEN INVOLVED IN MOVING A STRUCTURE LIKE THIS SUCCESSFULLY? I MEAN, NOT LIKE THIS, BUT A HISTORIC STRUCTURE MO PICKING UP, MOVING IT SUCCESSFULLY? SO AS, AS YOU CAN TELL BY OUR WEBSITE, I MEAN, WE, WE PRIMARILY WORK ON, UM, NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UM, WE HAVE WORKED ON SEVERAL, UM, HISTORIC BUILDINGS, THE SAVOY, THE ADDITION, UM, AND, AND RETROFIT OF EXISTING STRUCTURES.
UM, MOVING ONE HAS NOT BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DONE AS A, AS A FIRM, BUT WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THIS FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT STRUCTURES AND, AND THAT'S WHAT FORMED OUR RECOMMENDATION.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UH, ONCE, FIRST FOR YOU, MR. SULLIVAN.
UM, I, YOU MENTIONED, UM, THAT, UH, YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BUILDING RACKING OUT OF PLANE, AND I WAS WONDERING WHY IN YOUR EXPERIENCE THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
SO WHAT WOULD THE CIRCUMSTANCE BE IF YOU'RE REALLY USING THE TECHNIQUES THAT WE USE TO LIFT BUILDINGS THAT IT WOULD RACK OUT OF PLANE? SO, SO IF YOU TAKE THE, THE, THE BUILDING AS A WHOLE, I COULD JUST CALL IT A U-SHAPE.
AND, AND WITH THE TWO SIDES OF THE U'S BEING WINGS, AND YOU, AND YOU SEPARATE THAT FROM THE, THE, THE CENTER PORTION OF THE BUILDING, THEN THAT'S A TWO-SIDED BOX.
YOU'VE GOT THE BLOCK WALL ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THE BLOCK WALL ON NORTH SIDE, BUT THERE'S NO STABILITY CREATING A BOX IN, IN THE, ON THE OTHER TWO ENDS.
SO IN, IF YOU TAKE A SECTION THROUGH IT, THEN YOU'VE GOT TWO WALLS AND YOU'VE GOT A FLOOR AND A ROOF.
AND SO THERE'S NO STIFFNESS AT THOSE FOUR CONNECTIONS WHERE IT COULD RACK LIKE THIS
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IN EITHER DIRECTION.BUT WHAT IF YOU, IF YOU REINFORCED IT, WHAT WOULD THE CIR YOU MENTIONED THE CIRCUMSTANCE UNDER WHICH IT WOULD RACK OUT OF PLANE, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT WOULD THAT CIRCUMSTANCE BE IF YOU'VE REINFORCED IT ADEQUATELY, WHICH YOU'D HAVE TO DO IN ANY EVENT, BUT WHAT WOULD IT BE? ONE OF THE, LIKE, ONE OF THE CRANES AS IN LIFT AT THE SAME TIME AS ANOTHER? OR WHAT I, FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? I'M GUESSING, YEAH, I, I I, I THINK IT COULD JUST PURELY BE HOW, HOW IT'S LIFTED FROM ONE SIDE VERSUS THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND A LITTLE BIT OF ECCENTRICITY COULD BE ENOUGH TO TO, TO PUT IT INTO THAT KIND OF RACKING TYPE OF POSITION.
UM, SO I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
MAYBE THIS IS FOR YOU, MAYBE NOT.
UM, I WAS INTERESTED IN THE STAIRCASES AND WHAT THEY'RE MADE OUT OF.
UM, AND I WAS WONDERING, AND, AND I THINK THAT WOULD MATTER.
ARE THEY POURED CONCRETE? ARE THEY BUILT UP OR ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, WOOD FRAME AND SUCCO? WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY AND UM, KIND OF HOW WOULD YOU MOVE THEM SECURELY? UM, 'CAUSE THEY'RE, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT BUILDINGS, BUT THEY'RE LARGE AND WHERE OFFSITE ARE YOU PLANNING TO STORE THEM? OKAY, SO I CAN ANSWER THE FIRST ONE.
YEAH, I KNOW THIS IS NOT ALL FOR YOU.
UM, SO, SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT TO BE ENTIRELY CONCRETE STRUCTURE.
AND, AND, AND, AND POURED FROM OUR STANDPOINT WHAT WE POOR CONCRETE, YES.
AND, AND SO WHAT WE WOULD ADVISE OUR CLIENT, IF, IF WE'RE REMOVING THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE AROUND THOSE, WE WOULD DIG AROUND THE ENTIRE STAIR.
WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT ACTUALLY YOU PICK IT UP WITH THE FOUNDATION, LET'S EXCAVATE IT ALL THE SOIL OUT AND GRAB THE WHOLE THING AS A WHOLE, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO ENABLE, THAT'S KIND OF EVERYTHING OPPOSITE OF WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS MORNING, IS THAT IT, IT THEN CREATES A STABLE, STABLE STRUCTURE IN ITS ENTIRETY TO BE ABLE TO MOVE TO ANOTHER LOCATION.
BUT SOMEBODY ELSE WILL NEED TO ANSWER THOUGH, WHERE YEAH, THE, WHERE, UM, DO WE, DO WE KNOW WHERE, WHAT SITE, WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE MOVED? HOW F I'M CURIOUS ABOUT HOW FAR THEY'RE GONNA BE.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE A, A LOCATION YET, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMEWHERE LOCAL, OBVIOUSLY.
AND, UM, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE, THE TIMELINE.
UM, MAYBE GRAHAM YOU CAN HELP ME WITH THIS, UH, JUST THE 120 DAYS WE HAVE FOR THE FENCE, UH, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE FENCE UP IN 120 DAYS.
WHERE DOES 120 DAYS FALL ON THAT TIMELINE THAT YOU SHOWED US OF THE BUILDING PROCESS? LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING YOU'LL BE GETTING A NEW PERMIT? WELL, LET ME GET HELP FROM BOTH OF MY, UH, COLLEAGUES HERE.
I, MY UNDERSTANDING, AND, AND SEBASTIAN CAN KIND OF OPINE AS TO WHERE WE, WHERE HE THINKS WE ARE IN THE, IN THE PERMIT PROCESS.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY, WE'VE BEEN WORKING, UH, UH, WITH THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH TO REALLY, UH, WORK THROUGH ALL THE COMMENTS.
WE'RE ACTUALLY ONLY HAVE A FEW HANDFUL OF COMMENTS LEFT.
WE, UM, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS AND IT'S KIND OF A COMPLEX SITE.
SO, UM, THROUGH THE PROCESS THERE'S BEEN QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP, UH, WITH THE REVIEWERS, UH, BECAUSE THE COMPLEXITY OF THE COMPLEXITIES OF IT.
BUT, UH, I THINK WE'RE FINALLY THERE.
WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE.
WE ARE ACTUALLY SUBMITTING RESUBMITTING FOR THE HANDFUL OF COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, TODAY.
AND SO, UH, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE CLOSE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A FEW WEEKS I WOULD HOPE, UH, HOPEFULLY.
YEAH,
SO WE'RE THERE, I WAS KINDA WONDERING JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHEN CAN YOU EXPECT THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WILL THE FENCE, WHEN WILL, WHEN IS 120 DAYS, WILL ANYTHING HAVE HAPPENED ON THE SITE? WILL ANY DEMOLITION HAVE OCCURRED WITHIN 120 DAYS? IS THAT POSSIBLE? IS IT LIKELY? RAY, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OH, SO I, I, WELL, I THINK THE ANSWER IS THAT WE MIGHT BE IN A CON IN, IN THE CONTEXT WHERE THE 120 DAYS COMES AND GOES, RIGHT.
AND WE HAVE TO ERECT THE FENCE.
BUT WHERE, WHERE CONTENT CONTEMPLATING THAT ONCE THE PERMIT ISSUES, WE CAN START MOVING WITHIN A COUPLE WEEKS.
SO IF SEBASTIAN'S HOPES AND DREAMS COME TRUE, UH, THEN WE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, UNDERWAY, YOU KNOW, IN THIS, IN THIS YEAR, BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
YOU KNOW, AND WITH THE IDEA OF JUST GETTING, CLEARING IT OUT.
BUT IT'S LIKELY THE FENCE WILL BE UP AND THEN YOU'LL BE DOING WORK ON THE SITE.
RAY, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY ONE THING THAT I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY BROUGHT UP IS THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING REALLY HAS TO BE MOVED TWICE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MOVE IT TO THE BACK OF THE LOT, THEN BUILD UP THE LAND AND THEN MOVE IT BACK.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU JUST TAKE IT AND TURN IT, YOU'VE GOTTA DO IT TWICE AND YOU HAVEN'T BROUGHT THAT POINT UP.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GOTTA BE SHIFTED, TURNED AND GO UP A HILL, RIGHT.
TO GET BACK TO THE
BUT NOW, BUT NOW THE PLAN IS TO DEMOLISH ALL THE BUILDINGS ON THE SITE AT THE SAME TIME.
IF, YEAH, IF THIS APPLICATION IS APPROVED, THAT'S THE WAY IT WOULD YES.
ONCE WE REMOVE THE HISTORICAL, AND MY QUESTION WAS WHETHER THE FENCE WOULD BE UP OR NOT.
LINDSEY, THIS IS ANOTHER QUESTION FOR
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MR. SULLIVAN.I GUESS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND HE MENTIONED GO UP A HILL.
DOES THAT CHANGE THE ANALYSIS? I, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE SEEN BUILDINGS MOVED, SO FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, UM, DOES HAVING TO, WELL, I GUESS MOVE IT TWICE, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN THE ONES THAT I'VE SEEN, THEY'RE KIND OF ON SUPPORTS.
UM, DOES THAT CHANGE THE ANALYSIS AT ALL IF IT WERE ON A FLAT SURFACE VERSUS HAVING TO BE ALSO LIFTED FROM A LOWER LEVEL IN THE BACK TO A HIGHER LEVEL IN THE FRONT? YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT HAS AN IMPACT.
I MEAN, TAKING ON, YOU KNOW, MR. STEWART'S LAST QUESTION, YOU KNOW, ABOUT WHAT WOULD CAUSE RACKING THAT WOULD CAUSE RACKING IF YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE THIS UP A HILL, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THESE THINGS ARE ON, THEY'RE ON BEAMS, BUT THEY'RE ON WHEELS AND, AND THEN THEY'RE ROLLING IT, YOU KNOW, SO, SO BY VIRTUE OF ROLLING UP THE HILL, THAT COULD CAUSE AN ADDITIONAL STRESS.
REGARDING THE ISSUE OF RACKING, WHICH HAS COME UP MULTIPLE TIMES NOW, IT'S AN ISSUE OF ECONOMICS, ISN'T IT? UH, BECAUSE YOU CAN REINFORCE THE BUILDING SUCH THAT WE CAN MOVE IT.
WELL, I MEAN, TO, TO WHAT POINT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF ECONOMICS.
UH, IN OTHER WORDS, THE OWNER PERHAPS IS SAYING IT'S GONNA COST ME TOO MUCH TO REINFORCE THIS BUILDING TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN MOVE IT.
I MEAN, UH, WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO DO WHATEVER WE WANNA DO TODAY.
WE SENT A MAN TO THE MOON 50 YEARS AGO AND BROUGHT HIM BACK SO WE CAN MOVE A BUILDING IF WE REINFORCE IT PROPERLY.
I, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, CERTAINLY.
BUT THERE'S A RISK THAT COMES ALONG WITH THAT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD STILL BREAK THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.
UM, THE, THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT IF, IF THE PLAN IS IF REMOVE THE ENTIRE BUILDING OR TO MOVE THE ENTIRE BUILDING, I SHOULD SAY, AND YOU'RE CUTTING IT OFF OF THE FOUNDATIONS LIKE I SUGGESTED BEFORE, YOU ARE THEN ALSO DOING THAT WITH THE STERILE ELEMENTS ALSO, SO YOU HAVE MORE RISK OF BREAKING THOSE FEATURES IN TRYING TO TAKE IT AS A WHOLE VERSUS JUST TRYING TO SAVE WHAT IS IMPORTANT FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL PERSPECTIVE.
MY COMMENT IS REGARDING THE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BASING ALL OUR, THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BUILDING NOT BEING ABLE TO BE MOVED.
THE ISSUE IS ECONOMICS, IN MY OPINION, PROBABLY IN YOURS AS WELL.
THE BUILDING CAN BE MOVED IF IT WAS REINFORCED STRATEGICALLY, UH, IN SPECIFIC AREAS, AND THEN IT CAN BE MOVED PROPERLY.
CORRECT? ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
CAN I, CAN I ASK YOU ONE OTHER QUESTION? JUST, DID YOU DO AN ANALYSIS OF, UH, THE CONCRETE BLOCK OR THE, THE WALL MATERIAL THAT'S IN THAT BUILDING? I MEAN, 1936 WAS KIND OF A, A TOUGH YEAR SOMETIMES FOR CON CONCRETE, DEPENDING ON WHO WAS, WHO WAS BUILDING THE BUILDING.
DID, DID YOU AN ANALYZE IT FOR SALT CONTENT OR WE, WE SAND WE HAD DID NOT DO ANY MATERIAL TESTING, NO.
NOW THE MOMENT WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR, UH, DISCLOSURES.
UM, LINDSAY, UH, I HAD A MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT.
I WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT, BUT I UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WAS NOT ABLE TO COME.
NOW WE'RE OPENING IT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT.
ANYONE, ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE PLEASE COME FORWARD.
AND THEN, UH, AND THEN PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
DO YOU, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, I DO.
COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME? UH, RANDY HOLLINGWORTH.
I LIVE AT 29 39 INDIAN CREEK, WHICH IS JUST NORTH OF THE SITE.
I AM THE PRESIDENT OF OUR CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION.
I'M ALSO ON THE EXECUTIVE BOARD OF THE BID MID BEACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHICH THIS, UH, BUILDING FALLS UNDER THE AREA IN WHICH WE REPRESENT MOST OF MANY OF THE OWNERS OF PROPERTIES, INCLUDING THE HOTELS.
UM, WE CLEARLY SUPPORT REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.
WE'VE LIVED WITH THIS SITE FOR MANY YEARS.
UM, OUR BIGGER CONCERN, I, SO I THINK IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED BY STAFF THAT THIS SITE HAS BEEN, OR THE OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY HAVE BEEN CITED FOR NUMEROUS VIOLATIONS.
UM, THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY IS DEPLORABLE TO SAY THE LEAST.
THERE ARE WEEDS, GARBAGE SIDEWALKS ARE COVERED WITH DIRT, GRAVEL, SAND.
UH, THEY'RE VERY, VERY SELDOM MAINTAINED.
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WEEDS GET TO FOUR AND FIVE FEET HIGH, UH, FULL OF GARBAGE.THERE IS A FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY NOW, WHICH WAS REBUILT AFTER APPEARED.
THE DEVELOPER BEFORE PULLED OUT OR SOMETHING THAT ALL THE SIGNAGE WENT AWAY.
THE SIGN THE FENCE FELL DOWN, THEY REBUILT IT.
UM, RECENTLY THERE WAS A FIRE ON THE SITE FROM PEOPLE LIVING ON THE SITE HAVING STARTED THE FIRE IN THE BUILDINGS.
UM, THERE ARE PILES OF GARBAGE, FOUR OR FIVE FEET HIGH DOWN THE COURTYARD, WHICH, UH, OBVIOUSLY IS THE HOME PROBABLY TO RATS AND OTHER THINGS.
UM, WE WOULD REALLY, REALLY REQUEST THE CITY TO TAKE SOME ACTION TO MAKE THIS OWNER OF THE PROPERTY MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS NOT GONNA GO AWAY WITH THE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING.
WE HAVE A YEAR OR TWO OF CONSTRUCTION TO PUT UP WITH.
WE USE THIS, UH, INDIAN CREEK AND THE SIDE, UH, 30 29TH STREET FOR ACCESS TO THE AREA.
UH, IT IS UNSAFE AND, UM, WHETHER THE BUILDINGS ARE TORN DOWN OR NOT, HOW THE OWNER TAKES CARE OF THE, UH, RIGHT OF WAY AND THE PROPERTY AND THE SIDEWALKS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY.
UH, I'M ACTUALLY IN CHARGE OF A GROUP THAT IS NOW LOOKING AT DERELICT SITES AND HOW THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINED AND THEY CREATE UNSAFE CONDITIONS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THIS IS A SITE THAT WE'VE, UH, LOOKED AT, UM, AND HAS SERIOUS PROBLEMS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS FAR AS HOW IT IS MAINTAINED.
WE ENCOURAGE THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE, BUT SURELY THE CITY CAN TAKE ACTION TO MAKE THIS OWNER, UM, MAINTAIN THE SITE, NOT ONLY NOW, BUT DURING CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WILL GO ON FOR SOME TIME AFTER THEY START TEARING THE BUILDINGS DOWN.
SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE CITY, UH, USE THAT AS LEVERAGE FOR THE PERMIT APPROVAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AM I RECOGNIZED PLEASE? OKAY, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
DANIEL ERALDO ON BEHALF OF MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE.
I'LL TRY TO GET DONE IN THREE MINUTES, BUT IT WAS A LONG, UH, UM, APPLICATION.
SO I WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN VERY WELL RECEIVED BY THE COMMUNITY IN THE PAST.
IT'S BEEN IN THE PRESS AS A POTENTIAL SOLUTION FOR RESILIENCY.
WE EVEN HAD THE ARCHITECTS COME AND SPEAK AT MDPL AND UM, IT DOES GO WITHIN THE BOY AND CITY PLAN.
SO ON THAT NOTE, IT IS VERY EXCITING THAT THE OWNERS ARE INTERESTED IN DOING THIS.
UM, BUT WITH THE LATEST PROPOSAL, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING MORE DEMOLITION THAN ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, AND THIS BOARD GAVE THE APPROVAL FOR A LARGE NEW PROJECT, UM, SORT OF AS PART OF THE PROGRAM THAT INCLUDED THE PRESERVATION OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND THE LOCATION.
IF WE HAD NOT KNOWN THAT THE STRUCTURE WAS GONNA BE RELOCATED OR, OR THAT IT HAD TO BE DEMOLISHED TO BE RELOCATED, MAYBE THE ORIGINAL PROGRAM WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AS PALATABLE.
THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE IN A SITUATION HERE NOW WHERE THE PROPERTY IS REALLY NEGLECTED AND, UM, THEY HAVE COME AND SAID THAT, UM, TAKING THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS WILL HELP WITH, UH, RECONSTRUCTION, BUT THAT THEY WANNA RECONSTRUCT FROM SCRATCH THE CONCRETE, MOSTLY CONCRETE BLOCK STRUCTURE.
SO WE, UH, UH, BOARD MEMBER LINDSEY LEVEL, UH, TOOK AWAY MY, UM, CROSS-EXAMINATION.
BUT THANK YOU, UH, THE BOARD MEMBERS FOR QUESTIONING SOME OF THE METHODOLOGY ABOUT MOVING.
AS SOMEONE WHO'S NOT AN ENGINEER, THOUGH, I'VE BEEN, UH, PRESENT AT ABOUT HALF A DOZEN LIFTS AND MOVES IN TOWN.
I WAS ALSO A LITTLE BIT, UH, QUESTIONING SOME OF THAT METHODOLOGY, BUT IT IS CLEAR THAT IT'S POSSIBLE.
BUT AT THIS POINT, WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON, WE THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, THIS RECONSTRUCTION IS THE BEST WAY FORWARD, THEN WE SHOULD DO THAT.
THIS WOULD BE A LEARNING PROJECT.
I WOULD HOPE THAT APPLICANTS WOULD ALLOW US TO, YOU KNOW, BE A PART OF THE PROCESS AND LEARN ABOUT IT.
BECAUSE EVEN I THINK US AND THE CITY, WE NEED TO LEARN WHAT IS POSSIBLE, WHAT IS IMPOSSIBLE, WHETHER ELEVATION ONLY IS A BETTER BET OR WHETHER MOVING IT AND ELEVATING, UH, MIGHT HAVE SOME BETTER APPROACHES.
BUT WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING INTO THIS PROJECT, WE THINK THAT IT SHOULD MOVE FORWARD, UM, WHILE ALSO MAKING SURE WE ARE AWARE OF THE POSSIBILITIES, UH, GOOD AND BAD WITH THESE RESILIENCY INTERVENTIONS.
I SEE, UH, NO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO COMMENT.
ALRIGHT THEN, UM, DID THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE LEFT TO SAY THEN? I GUESS NOW IS TIME FOR, UH, BOARD MEMBER COMMENT.
UM, DO YOU WANNA START, LINDSAY, WE'LL GO DOWN THE LINE OR, OR WOULD YOU RATHER I START WITH RAY? IT'S FINE.
UM, I GOT CALLED OUT THE OTHER DAY FOR
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DEFERRING TO RAY.I JUST WANTED TO SWITCH IT UP ONE TIME, SO I'LL, I'LL GO FIRST THIS TIME.
UM, SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN DISCLOSURES, I DID, UH, DO A SITE VISIT, UM, WITH THE APPLICANT.
UM, SO I SAW THE CURRENT STATE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, I'VE, YOU KNOW, FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES WHO LIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE BUILDING DIRECTLY ACROSS THE WAY.
UM, SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THERE.
THEY'VE HAD THE, THE INDIAN CREEK RAISING.
UM, THERE'S CONSTRUCTION GOING ON, ON, ON, ON THE COLLINS SIDE NOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, AND I SWEAR TO SAY THE LEAST AT THE MOMENT, UM, I, I NOTICED, UM, AND, AND, UH, THE ATTORNEY RELAYED TO ME THE UNSAFE STRUCTURES ORDER.
IT LOOKED LIKE THEY'D DONE SOME CORE TESTING ON, UM, ON THE POSTMODERN BUILDING.
SO, YOU KNOW, UH, I DON'T DOUBT THAT THERE ARE CERTAINLY ISSUES THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY WHAT'S BEFORE US IS WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, DO WE HOLD FEET TO THE FIRE AND, YOU KNOW, ENFORCE THE PREEXISTING ORDER OR DO WE, UM, LOOK AT THIS AS A LESSON LEARNED.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, AN ALTERNATIVE, UM, FROM A PRESERVATION STANDPOINT, UM, I DUNNO, I'M, I'M KIND OF TORN ON THIS ONE.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBER DOWN THERE, HASKELL BROUGHT UP, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A QUESTION OF ECONOMICS.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, ECONOMICS IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, IT'S THEORETICAL, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LIVE IN A WORLD OF THEORY, LIVE A WORLD OF DOLLARS AND CENTS AND SOMETIMES THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT COMING BEFORE US TODAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE EFFORTS TO PRESERVE THOSE ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT ELEMENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN ON THE SITE VISIT, YOU REALLY COULDN'T GET IN TO SEE THE STAIRS THEMSELVES.
UM, BUT THEY EVEN, YOU KNOW, FROM THE SIDEWALK, WHAT I COULD SEE, THEY LOOKED BEAUTIFUL.
UM, AND, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE OTHER ELEMENTS BEING PRESERVED, THE TILE, THE, UM, LIKE I I CALLED THEM FLOWER BOXES.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE, BUT OUTSIDE THE WINDOWS ON THE, THE CURRENTLY ON THE WEST SIDE.
UM, BUT ALSO ELEMENTS, UM, THAT I THINK ARE PLANNED TO BE RETAIN, RETAINED.
UM, ANYWAYS, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LONG DIATRIBE TO SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT ARE BEING MADE HERE.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US AND, AND OUR APPLICANTS TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY LOOK FOR THE EXPERTS IN THESE AREAS, UM, YOU KNOW, AS SORT OF, AND THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A KNOCK AT MR. SULLIVAN, AND LIKE I SAID, I WASN'T KIDDING.
YOU HAVE AN IMPRESSIVE RESUME.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, DON'T COME TO ME ASKING ME FOR ADVICE ON FAMILY LAW BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, THAT'S NOT WHAT I PRACTICE.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, EXPERTS IN THIS FIELD, UM, AND, AND, AND CAN TALK ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, CAN TALK ABOUT HOW SOMETHING CAN BE DONE RATHER THAN LIKE, NOT CAN'T BE DONE, UM, WOULD, WOULD BE MY THOUGHT PROCESS MOVING FORWARD FOR ANYONE WHO'S LOOKING FOR, UM, THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RAISING AND MOVING, UM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, INEVITABLE.
BRIAN, DO YOU WANNA GO NEXT OR DO YOU WANT ONE MORE TIME? ONE MORE TIME? OKAY.
ALRIGHT, LAURA, UH, THANK YOU AGAIN SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, I REALLY APPRECIATED, UM, THE, THE DIAGRAMS AND THE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, PLANS FOR THE SALVAGE PLAN.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT.
IS IT A REQUIREMENT? I'M NOT SURE OF HISTORIC, BUT, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT.
AND EVEN GOING INTERIOR WITH THE FIREPLACES, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT SHOWS A LOT OF, UM, EFFORT ON THE PART OF OWNERSHIP TO, TO RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE HISTORIC ELEMENTS ARE IRREPLACEABLE AND TO, TO KIND OF HONOR THAT HISTORY OF MIAMI BEACH.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THOUGH NOT IDEAL IN ITS EXISTING STATE, UM, I THINK IS IS VERY THOUGHTFUL AND, AND, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING STEWARDS OF THAT, UM, IRREPLACEABLE HISTORY.
UM, I ALSO REALLY APPRECIATED THE CONCERNS ON RESILIENCY.
UM, MDPL BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT IF THERE WAS A WAY TO, TO DOCUMENT THIS BECAUSE IT WILL CONTINUE TO, TO BE A LEARNING, UM, EXPERIENCE FOR ALL OF US, HOPEFULLY TO WORK TOGETHER TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, MIAMI BEACH A, A SPECIAL, UM, THRIVING PLACE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT IS A, A, A TOUGH SITUATION, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND MORE OR LESS THE, THE ENGINEERING BEHIND IT.
AND, UM, AND DEFINITELY, UM, SUPPORTIVE IF, IF, IF THAT IS THE ULTIMATE RECOMMENDATION IN, IN LIGHT OF ALL THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT WENT INTO THE ENTIRE, UM, DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION AND, AND OWNERSHIP GROUP.
ASK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO? THANK YOU.
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A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.UM, AS I LOOK AT SHEET A ZERO TWO, YOU NOTE A NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT IN THE THIRTIES AND THE FORTIES.
THERE ARE TWO AND THREE, FOUR STORIES TALL MAYBE.
AND MY CONCERN IS WHERE WE ARE GOING IN THIS CITY, WHERE ARE WE HEADING? WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW A SEVEN STORY BUILDING, UH, IN THE BACK OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND, UM, THE QUESTION IS, HOW DOES IT AFFECT THE HOMEOWNERS THAT LIVE ACROSS INDIA AND CREEK CANAL, UM, DOWN THE ROAD? ARE WE JUST SETTING A PRECEDENT SO THAT EVERY OTHER OWNER IN THE CITY, WE HAD THIS CASE HAPPEN A COUPLE OF AT OUR LAST MEETING, WHERE THE PROPERTY IS ALLOWED TO GO INTO DISREPAIR, IT'S NEGLECTED, AND THEN THE OWNERS COME IN AND SAY, WELL, WE CAN'T SALVAGE THIS BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE NO WAY TO, UH, SALVAGE IT ANY LONGER, SO WE NEED TO DEMOLISH IT AND WE'RE GONNA BUILD SOMETHING PERHAPS TWICE AS TALL.
PART OF THE CHARM OF THIS CITY, PART OF THE CHARM AS IT USED TO BE DRIVING DOWN INDIAN CREEK IS THE LOW RISE BUILDINGS WHERE YOU HAVE HOMES ON THE RIGHT, THE CANAL, AND THEN YOU HAVE THESE LOW RISE BUILDINGS.
IF WE'RE GONNA START BUILDING 7, 8, 10 STORY BUILDINGS, WE'RE CREATING A CONCRETE JUNGLE, WHICH I'M, I'M COMPLETELY OPPOSED TO.
SO I JUST WONDER WHERE THIS CITY IS HEADED NOW, WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, WITH ALLOWING THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, EVEN THOUGH I LIKE THE DESIGN, I THINK THE, THE NEW BUILDING DESIGN IS, IS, IS, UH, ATTRACTIVE DESIGN.
BUT, UM, UM, I'M JUST NOT COMPLETELY SATISFIED THAT THIS IS THE PATH THAT WE NEED TO TAKE, ALLOWING PROPERTY OWNERS TO ALLOW THEIR PROPERTIES TO GO INTO DISREPAIR COMING IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD AND SAY, WELL, WE CAN'T SALVAGE.
IT COSTS US TOO MUCH TO SALVAGE IT, THEREFORE ALLOW US TO DEMOLISH IT AND WE'LL DO WHATEVER WE PLEASE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE A BUILDING WITHIN THE FAR.
AND I NOTED THAT, BUT I JUST, UH, BY THE TIME IT GETS TO THIS POINT, IT SEEMS LIKE THE TRAIN HAS LEFT THE STATION AND I THINK WE NEED TO CURB THIS SORT OF, UH, ABILITY OF, UH, HOMEOWNER OR PROPERTY OWNERS TO ALLOW THEIR PROPERTIES TO GO INTO DISREPAIR AND COMING IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD AND ASKING TO BUILD GREATER HEIGHT, GREATER DENSITY.
UM, IN TERMS OF LIKE HASKELL'S W RIGHT ABOUT, UH, UH, ECONOMICS, BUT WHAT HE'S ALSO NOT REALLY SAYING THAT'S VERY TRUE IS TIME.
IF YOU WERE TO TURN AROUND AND, UH, REINFORCE THIS BUILDING, PICK IT UP, MOVE IT, RAISE THE LAND, TURN IT AROUND.
YOU CAN'T BE BUILDING ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE YOUR PROPERTY'S BEING TOTALLY TAKEN BY THAT.
SO THERE'S A TIME ELEMENT THAT I BET WOULD ADD ALMOST AN ENTIRE YEAR TO GETTING THIS PROJECT COMPLETED.
AND I THINK THOSE ARE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT.
UM, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE, THE NEW BUILDING HASKELL, AND I BELIEVE IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE BUILDING THAT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND IT.
AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS WHEN YOU MAINTAIN THE STREET AT THE HIGHER, UH, AT THE NORM, THE ORIGINAL LEVEL, AND YOU BUILD TALLER BEHIND, UM, THAT IT'S BEEN RELATIVELY ACCEPTABLE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN, IN MANY OTHER AREAS OF, OF THE CITY.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT EACH CASE INDIVIDUALLY.
I, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB IN, IN PRESENTING THIS AND IN, UM, SALVAGING WHAT YOU CAN SALVAGE AND TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD FOR THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A HORRIBLE EYESORE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
UM, BRIAN, AND THEN LINDSAY HAS ANOTHER QUESTION.
I MEAN, I, LOOK, I WOULD ECHO A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, SOME, MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS.
THERE'S BEEN SOME REALLY GREAT POINTS HERE.
I THINK ONE IS, IN AN IDEAL WORLD WE WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN TO TODAY.
UM, I THINK IF YOU, IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY BACK, YOU KNOW, EVEN HISTORICALLY THAT I CALL IT THE THIRD BUILDING, I THINK YOU GUYS CALLED 36, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT VERY LONG BUILDING THAT, THAT, THAT CURRENTLY FACES, UM, UH, 36TH, 36TH STREET, UH, SORRY, 29TH STREET, EXCUSE ME.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT BUILDING THERE KIND OF, UH, OBSTRUCTS ALL OF THE HISTORICAL, YOU KNOW, ELEMENTS OF THOSE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS.
AND SO IN MY MIND, IN THAT MOMENT WAS KIND OF THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, ELEMENT, UH, OR THE FIRST DECISION POINT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS LED TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
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IT'S, LOOK THERE, THESE, THESE PICTURES, THIS REPORT, UM, IT, IT SHOWS TO ME THAT THIS IS THERE.THIS IS THIS, THERE, THIS IS VERY CONCERNING.
OBVIOUSLY THERE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RECORD HAS, HAS SHOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS HAS TO BE REMEDIED.
AND SO I THINK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB TO, TO I GUESS, CHART A CO A COURSE FORWARD MORE OR LESS.
UM, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THE BEST.
I, I THINK IT'S THE BEST THAT WE'VE GOT IS, IS KIND OF WHERE I'M, WHERE I'M LANDING.
UM, I HEAR HASKELL'S POINT, UH, BUT I'M A PRACTICAL GUY, A PRACTICAL BUSINESS GUY.
AND I, I JUST THINK THAT I, I DO AGREE WITH RAY THAT TIME IS MONEY AND, UM, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE TIME AND WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THIS AREA AND DO THE VERY BEST THAT WE CAN.
UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DETAILED ON THE HISTORICAL ELEMENT SIDE OF THINGS.
I THINK THAT YOU HAVE PULLED OUT, AND I DIDN'T GET TO TAKE A SITE VISIT, BUT I THINK YOU'VE PULLED OUT A LOT OF REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, KEY ELEMENTS THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE PRESERVED.
AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THOSE MORE DETAILED DRAWINGS WILL LOOK LIKE.
UM, PARTICULARLY THE STAIRS, THE FIREPLACES, THE, THESE, THESE BEAUTIFUL CERAMIC TILES ARE, ARE GORGEOUS.
AND I'M, I AM REALLY CURIOUS OF HOW YOU GUYS ARE GONNA, UM, EXECUTE ON THAT.
AND I GUESS THE OTHER THOUGHT THAT I HAD, UH, IN CLOSING IS THE LESSONS LEARNED.
I BELIEVE THAT, UM, LINDSAY BROUGHT THIS UP, OR WAS IT, YEAH, I, I, WHAT I THINK COULD BE HELPFUL HERE, I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING FOR MYSELF, LIKE WHEN I COME INTO THESE MEETINGS AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW TO BALANCE ALL OF THESE VARIOUS ISSUES, I THINK SOMETIMES IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF THE CLIENT COULD HELP THE CITY OUT AND ACTUALLY PROVIDE US WITH TAKEAWAYS AF YOU KNOW, DURING THIS PROCESS AND AFTER THIS PROCESS, SOME SORT OF REPORT.
I MEAN, I'M NOT ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING INCREDIBLY STRENUOUS, BUT JUST SO THAT OTHER FUTURE APPLICANTS CAN, CAN KIND OF LOOK TO SEE WHAT WERE, WHAT WERE THE LESSONS LEARNED THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS CAME AWAY WITH HERE.
AND I THINK, THINK, YOU KNOW, AS THE ARCHITECT, YOU COULD PROBABLY HELP US TO SAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE FELT GIVEN, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S A CASE BY CASE SITUATION, BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE FELT NEEDED TO BE SAVED.
HERE'S WHY WE FELT THEY NEEDED TO BE SAVED HERE, HERE, YOU KNOW, HERE WAS THE LOGIC BEHIND WHY WE COULD NOT RELOCATE AND WHY, AND WE, YOU KNOW, UH, IN A FUTURE CASE YOU MAY CONSIDER THESE OTHER VARIABLES OF, THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD IMPACT RELOCATION, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, WITH THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.
I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE COULD START TO GET, UM, YOU KNOW, START TO, TO LEARN MORE FROM THE, THESE EXAMPLES AND NOT JUST COME TO THE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, EVERY MONTH AND THEN SEE ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE WE FEEL LIKE OUR HANDS ARE TIED.
UH, AND THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WE CAN DO.
SO I, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ACCEPT A REPORT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU FINISH THE PROJECT, AND I'M EAGER TO SEE THE PROJECT.
WE, WE GLADLY COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND SHOW YOU HOW WE IMPLEMENT IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AS A, AS A BUOYANT CITY, YOU KNOW, LEADER, HOPEFULLY, UH, THAT'S WHAT THIS PROJECT IS ALWAYS TRYING TO BE.
SO WE'LL GLADLY TAKE YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM, UH, WHEN WE, AS WE ONCE WE'RE DONE, BASICALLY.
I, I JUST HAD A QUESTION THAT CAME UP WHEN I, I THINK ONE OF MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS WAS TALKING ABOUT, UM, RESILIENCY.
UM, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE FRONT BUILDING IS HAVING TO BE RAISED MORE THAN AN ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED AS A RESULT OF THE, THE ROAD RAISING.
UM, WHAT OTHER CONSIDERATIONS WENT INTO THIS AS FAR AS, I MEAN, WAS THERE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT FOR FUTURE PROOFING THIS? RIGHT? SO I MEAN, HERE, HERE'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS.
WE'RE BUILDING THIS NEW STRUCTURE WE'RE TAKING, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING APPROVAL TODAY, YOU'RE RECONSTRUCTING AN EXISTING STRUCTURE WITH THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS AND RAISING IT.
MM-HMM,
UM, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE, THE POINT HERE, RIGHT? IS TO, YOU KNOW, BRING THIS TO A LEVEL WHERE IT CAN WITHSTAND THE TEST OF TIME FOR ANOTHER 90 YEARS.
SO THE, UM, AND, AND SEBASTIAN CAN FURTHER EXPLAIN IT, BUT I, THE, THE CONCEPT HERE IS THAT THE HISTORIC BUILDING WILL MEET MODERN FLOOD REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT? THAT'S THE, THE RESILIENCY CODE.
UNDER THE, UNDER THE RESILIENCY CODE OF FREE BOARD REQUIREMENTS.
IT'S, SO, IT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT FIVE FEET THAT THE BUILDING WILL BE MOVED UP.
SO IT'S A NINE END GVD, IT WOULD BE A NINE NGVD.
AND THEN, AND THEN THE FINISHED FLOOR IS ABOVE THE GRADE, OBVIOUSLY.
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UH, ALRIGHT, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL JUMP IN HERE AND, UM, I, UM, ANYBODY HAVE WATER? UM, YOU WANT SOME WATER FROM BACK HERE? NO, THERE'S SOME OUTSIDE.UM, ANYWAY, I, I WANTED TO SAY THAT, UH, I APPRECIATE THE, UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS PROJECT AND THE COMPLEXITY OF THE, UM, OF THE PRESENTATION.
UH, THAT SAID, UH, SO ON THE, ON THE SIDE OF, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT YOU IMPROVE THIS OR IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE KIND OF, UH, MR. SULLIVAN IS A, IS OBVIOUSLY AN OUTSTANDING ENGINEER, BUT WITHOUT HAVING ANY EXPERIENCE HAVING MOVED A BUILDING, HIS, HIS, UM, OPINION ABOUT WHETHER IT COULD BE MOVED OR NOT, I THINK FALLS INTO SOME QUESTION.
IT WOULD BE LIKE, IF I WERE GONNA BE SAYING THIS, I DON'T HAVE, I HAVE NOT ALSO, ALSO HAVE NOT MOVED A BUILDING, BUT I, SO I WOULDN'T REALLY WEIGH IN ON WHETHER IT CAN MOVE OR NOT.
I THINK A STRONGER CASE WOULD BE MADE BY SOMEONE WHO COULD MOVE, WHO KNOWS HOW TO MOVE A BUILDING, AND THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO BRING THOSE EXPERTS TO BEAR ON THIS IN ADDITION TO ANYTHING THAT, UH, MR. SULLIVAN MAY OFFER.
ON THE OTHER SIDE, I THINK THAT THE, UH, ARCHITECTS, UM, AS CHOKED UP AS THEY MAY BE RIGHT NOW ARE, UH, VERY, UM, ARE, ARE OUTSTANDING, OUTSTANDING STEWARDS OF THE SITE.
I THINK, UH, YOU GUYS ARE, UM, VERY TRUSTWORTHY, VERY SMART, KNOWLEDGEABLE, AND WORK IN MANY, MANY AREAS ACROSS THE CITY.
AND I, UM, AND I, I, I TRUST YOU, UH, AS FAR AS THE CONSOLIDATED ORDER TO DO THE, UM, TO DO THE WORK.
SO I WAS GONNA PROPOSE MAYBE, UM, TO DEBBIE, AND MAYBE THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, THAT, UM, A FEW THINGS BE ADDED TO THE CONSOLIDATED ORDER BEFORE WE APPROVE IT.
UM, AND I WAS JUST, UH, JUST FOR YOU GUYS' THOUGHT, UH, THOUGHTS, UH, ONE IS IN 120 DAYS WE HAVE A REPORT BACK BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUES IS THAT THE SITE, WHICH IS NOT GONNA BE BUILT ON, UH, FOR A PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE CAN'T TELL RIGHT NOW, BUT WE CAN HAVE THE SITE CLEANED AND CLEARED AND PROPERLY FENCED, UH, AND IN 120 DAYS COME BACK WITH THAT, UM, TO SEE WHETHER THAT HAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
UH, AND, AND SO THAT'S ONE, ONE POSS ONE, UH, PROPOSITION.
ANOTHER IS THAT THE CONSOLIDATED ORDER INCLUDE, UM, INCLUDE A, A DETAILED LIST OF, UM, AS DETAILED AS WE CAN HAVE IT, OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE PRESERVED.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT WAS LISTED ANYWHERE IN THERE.
THE STAIRS WEREN'T LISTED, THE PLANTER WASN'T LISTED.
THE, THE OTHER ITEM, THE TILES, NOT THAT WE HAVE TO KNOW THE NUMBER OF TILES, BUT JUST THAT THOSE ARE IN THE ORDER ITSELF.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE CONSOLIDATED ORDER.
UM, AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING, LET'S SEE, THAT I HAD, UH, WAS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS IS EVEN POSSIBLE, BUT, UM, CAN WE ASK THAT THE, UH, WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE WANTED TO TALK AT ALL AS A BOARD ABOUT, UM, ABOUT THE ORDERING OF THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, UH, EITHER HAVE THE, THE RECONSTRUCTED BUILDING, WE OFTEN DO THIS WITH HISTOR, WITH HISTORICALLY PRESERVED BUILDINGS, IS ASK THEM TO BE PRESERVED FIRST AND THEN THE NEW BUILDING BE BUILT.
UM, I, I ALSO DON'T WANNA SLOW THIS PROCESS DOWN BECAUSE IF IT'S JUST, IF IT'S BASICALLY TWO NEW BUILDINGS BEING BUILT ON THE SITE, THEY COULD BE BUILT SIMULTANEOUSLY.
BUT, UM, IS THERE, IS THERE SOME WAY TO KIND OF ATTACH, YOU COULD MAKE SURE THIS IS C OF O AT THE SAME TIME TO BOTH BUILDINGS.
ONE CAN'T BE OCCUPIED WITHOUT THE OTHER, YOU COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
MAYBE THAT'S A, CAN YOU SAY THAT ON THE MIC? YEAH.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE IN OTHER, IN OTHER PROJECTS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN GET A TCO, BUT YOU CANNOT GET A CO UNTIL EVERYTHING IS DONE AND READY TO GO.
UM, AND THAT ENSURES THAT THE BUILDING THAT YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO RECONSTRUCT IS DONE IN, IN, UH, A MANNER AND, AND SPEED THAT THE REST OF THE PROJECT GOES BY.
DOES THAT SOUND? UH, YES, DEBBIE, LIKE A POSSIBILITY? YES, WE HAVE INCLUDED THAT CONDITION, AND I THINK THE LATEST ONE WAS AT THE AMMAN RESORT, RIGHT? WE HAD THAT CO CONDITION WITH SIDE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S HARD TO, TO PUT A CONDITION IN ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE THIS WILL BE, AND WILL REQUIRE THIS TO BE ONE SINGLE BUILDING PERMIT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF HOW QUICKLY THERE ARE CONSTRUCTING, IT'S, IT'S MORE CHALLENGING.
BUT THE CO WE CAN PUT A CONDITION IN THAT NO CO SHALL BE ISSUED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL ADDITION BEFORE THE CO IS ISSUED FOR THE RECONSTRUCTED CONTRIBUTING BUILDING.
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LINDSEY, THIS IS SUGGESTION AND OR MAYBE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.WOULD THE APPLICANT BE WILLING, AS FAR AS THE FENCING GOES TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT THE, WELL, I MEAN, WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW IS A CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF MESH COVERING SOMETHING THAT'S MORE SUBSTANTIAL AND APPEALING TO THE EYE WHILE IT'S GOING AWAY.
MAYBE SOMETHING THAT HAS, LOOK AT THIS NEW PROPERTY THAT'S COMING.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ING OR BRANDING OR SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW, I, I JUST, I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
SO I'M JUST TRYING, I I'M TRYING TO BRING TO MIND THE CITY'S CURRENT REQUIREMENTS FOR CONSTRUCTION FENCE.
BUT I MEAN, LIKE, THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS, RIGHT, THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE CITY WHERE THE FENCE AND THE, I MEAN, THIS, DEBBIE CAN SPEAK TO THIS, BUT THE, THE FENCING THAT, YOU KNOW, ENCAPSULATES THAT WHOLE BUILDING IS LET'S SAY WRAPPED OR IT'S BRANDED, OR WHEN A VISITOR FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU KNOW, IS, IS, IS GOING BY THERE, OR, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS LIKE THE RALLY PROJECT RESIDENCE, THEY FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, A NEW, UH, BUILDING THAT'S BEING REBORN THERE, YOU KNOW, AND I, I THINK THAT THAT'S, TO ME, THAT LAST TIME THAT I WENT BY THERE, I DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY WITH THE FENCE THAT WAS THERE.
SO IT IS JUST A MATTER OF HOW IT'S WRITTEN.
SO WE HAVE A CONDITION IN THE ORDER THAT THE FENCE WOULD NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S CURRENT REGULATIONS REGARDING VACANT PROPERTIES OR CONSTRUCTION SITES.
CURRENTLY, THIS PROPERTY IS NOT A CONSTRUCTION SITE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE AN ACTIVE BUILDING PERMIT.
UM, SO THE, THE VACANT SITE REQUIREMENTS REQUIRE A ALUMINUM PICKET FENCE ON ALL STREET SIDES.
UM, WITH A, WITH A MINIMUM HEIGHT, THEY CAN GO UP TO SEVEN FEET FOR THE ALUMINUM PICKET FENCE.
IF WITHIN THAT 120 DAY TIMEFRAME THEY OBTAIN A BUILDING PERMIT, THEN THE CONSTRUCTION SITE FENCING REQUIREMENTS DO ALLOW FOR THE CHAIN LINK.
HOWEVER, WE ALSO HAVE THE PROVISION THAT THEY DO NEED TO HAVE THE ARTISTIC GRAPHIC WRAP ALONG THE, UM, ALONG THE ENTIRETY OF THE STREET FACING.
SO WE CAN REQUIRE THAT IF THEY, SO THAT IS REQUIRED WITHIN THE, OKAY.
SO IF THEY ARE GOING TO GET A DEMOLITION PERMIT OR ANOTHER PERMIT, THEN WE CAN ISSUE THEM THE CONSTRUCTION FENCE.
BUT WE WILL REQUIRE AN ARTISTIC GRAPHIC.
SO WOULD WE ADD THE, UM, IN THE ORDINANCE, WOULD WE ADD IT TO, TO ONE C? UM, A, IS THAT WHERE THE, IN THE, UH, IS THAT WHERE THE LIST OF, OF PRESERVED INTENDED, PRESERVED ITEMS WOULD BE? YES.
UM, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD RECOMMEND ACTUALLY, UH, DELINEATING EACH OF THE ELEMENTS.
UM, WHICH I MEAN, I CAN HAVE THE APPLICANT CONFIRMED, BUT WE HAVE RIGHT AS THE STAIR TWO STAIRS, THE TWO, THE STAIRS, THE PLANTER ELEMENTS, THE TILE, AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO RETAIN THAT HORIZONTAL, UM, BANDING.
SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR ELEMENTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MISSING ANYTHING.
THERE IS A WIDER EL, LIKE THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S ON THE WESTERN FACADE.
THERE'S LIKE, THE CORNICE GETS WIDER.
IT'S LIKE A LITTLE SHELF ELEMENT.
WE'VE INDICATED THAT IN THE PLAINS IT'S, THERE'S LIKE A, THERE'S A POT ON IT.
IT'S BASICALLY A DECORATIVE ELEMENT ON THE WESTERN FACADE.
BUT THAT'S BASICALLY AN EXTENSION OF THE CORN, I GUESS, BUT IT'S A WIRE VERSION AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL TAKE THAT OFF AND, AND PUT IT BACK ON.
THAT'S WITHIN OUR PLANS AS BEING SALVAGED.
I THINK, WERE THERE INTERIOR ELEMENTS, THE FIREPLACES? NO, THAT'S PART OF THIS APPLICATION, BUT, UH, THE FIREPLACES ARE, WILL BE TAKEN OUT.
CAN WE ADD THE FIREPLACES TO THIS ORDINANCE? WOULD IT HAVE TO BE A, WOULD IT HAVE TO BE A PROFFER? JUST 'CAUSE IT'S INTERIOR? WOULD YOU AGREE? SORRY, FOR THE FIREPLACES? YES.
YOU GOT SOME FIREPLACE SLIPPERS UP HERE? I DON'T KNOW.
THEY'RE ON THE PLAN FIREPLACES TOO.
SO, UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, BOARD DISCUSSION? NO, UH, IF NOT, DEBBIE, DO YOU WANNA, YEAH, SO WE, WE COULD TAKE A MOTION.
UM, IF I COULD JUST RECAP WHAT WE'VE HEARD IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL MODIFICATIONS.
SO THE FIRST WOULD BE A PROGRESS REPORT WITHIN A 120 DAYS TO RETURN TO THE BOARD WITH AN UPDATE REGARDING, UH, THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND SECURING OF THE SITE AND THE FENCING.
SO THAT WOULD BE BY THE, THE JANUARY, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, JANUARY, YEAH.
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POTENTIAL AMENDMENT WOULD BE TO INCLUDE A LIST DELINEATING EACH OF THE ELEMENTS, UM, INCLUDING THE BOTH OF THE STAIRS, THE PLANTERS, THE TILES, THE HORIZONTAL BANDING, AND THE DECORATIVE ELEMENT THAT WRAPS AROUND THE WEST FACADE OF THE BUILDING AND THE FIRE INTERIOR FIREPLACES.UM, THOSE WERE THE TWO PERMIT BEFORE.
OH, AND THAT THE, THE FINALS, THE CEO FOR THE NEW RESIDENTIAL BUILDING SHALL NOT BE ISSUED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE CO FOR THE RECONSTRUCTED CONTRIBUTING BUILDING, WHICH IS ALSO RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
THE WHOLE PROPERTY WILL BE RESIDENTIAL USE.
IS THERE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION A SECOND.
UM, MR. CHAIR, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS HPB 24 0 6.
DEBBIE? DEBBIE, CAN WE DO, OH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
WANT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? YEAH, YEAH.
WE ARE GOING ON AIR IN 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
[4. HPB24-0623, 1535-1545 Collins Avenue.]
WE ARE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT APPLICATION, WHICH IS HPB 24 0 6 2 3.THIS IS A REQUEST THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION AND RENOVATION OF THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 1545 COLLINS AVENUE AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY CONTAINS TWO CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS.
THE SHORE CREST HOTEL AND THE ROYAL PALM HOTEL SITE WAS REDEVELOPED SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE 1990S.
UM, THIS INCLUDED THE INTRODUCTION OF TWO NEW, UH, GUEST ROOM TOWERS.
IT ALSO INCLUDED THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ROYAL PALM HOTEL, WHICH, UM, UNFORTUNATELY WAS DEMOLISHED DUE TO STRUCTURAL DEFICIENCIES DURING THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION.
UM, THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED SCOPE OF WORK IS LIMITED TO THE FIRST AND SECOND LEVELS OF THE ROYAL, THE RECONSTRUCTED ROYAL PALM PORTION OF THE SITE.
UM, SO IT'S A RELATIVELY COMPLEX APPLICATION, ALTHOUGH LOW INTERVENTION, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO RETAIN AND RESTORE THE VAST MAJORITY OF ALL OF THE SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, BOTH ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE ROYAL PALM, AS WELL AS WITHIN THE PUBLIC LOBBY.
UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO, TO COMMEND THE APPLICANT FOR THAT.
THEY ARE PROPOSING TO RECONFIGURE SEVERAL AREAS OF THE ANCILLARY, UH, LOBBY AND MEETING SPACES, INCLUDING THE OUTDOOR CORRIDORS.
AND THERE ARE SOME MODIFICATIONS PROPOSED FOR THE REAR POOL DECK AREA.
UM, PERHAPS THE MOST NOTABLE NOTICEABLE CHANGE HERE IS THE REDESIGNED OF THE FRONT YARD.
UM, AS SHOWN IN, IN OUR REPORT, WE HAVE SOME IMAGERY, UM, SOME HISTORICAL IMAGES AS SHOWN IN THE 1941 AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH.
UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION IS HOW IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT.
THE MICROPHONE PLANS, WHICH WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED, SHOW A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION.
BUT SINCE THAT, THAT VERY EARLY AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH WAS TAKEN SHORTLY AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROPERTY, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS THE ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED, UH, CONFIGURATION.
UM, SO WE ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE.
UM, AS, AS MOST MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND, AND THE BOARD MEMBERS, I'M SURE WILL NOTE WE ARE SEEING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT ALONG THESE OCEANFRONT HOTELS, UM, PARTICULARLY IN THE AREA BETWEEN 15TH STREET AND 19TH STREET.
UH, REALLY EVEN IT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER NORTH, UM, WITH THE BULGARY, UH, AL PROJECT.
SO WE ARE EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICANT'S PLAN, WHICH AGAIN, DOES PROPOSE TO RETAIN THE TERRAZZO FLOORING, INCLUDING THE COMPASS ROWS, THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC LOBBY.
WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THESE OTHER MODIFICATIONS IN THE, THE LESS SIGNIFICANT
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PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING THAT HAD BEEN ALTERED, UM, DURING THE RECONSTRUCTION AS WELL.UM, BUT OUR ONLY COMMENT IS WITH REGARD TO THE, THE RECONFIGURED FRONT YARD.
AND WE WOULD, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT FRONT YARD BE CONSISTENT WITH, WITH THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, INCLUDING THE RETENTION OF THE ORIGINAL FOUNTAIN.
AGAIN, WE CANNOT VERIFY 100% THAT THAT'S THE ORIGINAL FOUNTAIN, BUT WE'RE FAIR, FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT IT IS, UM, THE PYLONS WERE RECONSTRUCTED DURING THAT, THAT, UM, THAT 1990S PROJECT.
UM, BUT WE THINK IT IS IMPORTANT, UM, URBANISTICALLY TO MAINTAIN THAT HISTORIC CONFIGURATION ALONG COLLINS AVENUE.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I AM, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, UM, THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR DEBBIE? GOOD STUFF? NO, NO, NO.
MY NAME'S CARTER MCDOWELL WITH HUMBERG.
UM, WE HAVE OUR ENTIRE DESIGN TEAM HERE, OUR LA OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS.
UM, AND I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO SAY THAT THIS IS NOT A COMPLICATED APPLICATION, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE ONE YOU JUST HELD, YOU JUST DISCUSSED.
UM, IT'S REALLY PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UH, THE, THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY ARE GOING THROUGH A MAJOR RENOVATION, TOP TO BOTTOM.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S AFFECTED THAT COMES BEFORE YOU, 'CAUSE THE OTHER IS INTERIOR.
UM, AND IN THE HOTEL AREAS IS THIS APPLICATION THAT IS BEFORE YOU.
UM, THEY ARE RAISING THE STANDARD OF THIS PROPERTY.
UH, IT WILL BE PART OF THE TRIBUTE PORTFOLIO ONCE IT IS, ONCE THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED.
AND WE ARE MOVING FORWARD AT AS FAST AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE, UH, TO IMPLEMENT THE, UH, THE, UH, RENOVATION.
UM, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THIS IN TWO PIECES.
'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S LITTLE ISSUE ABOUT THE INTERIOR AND WHAT WE ARE DOING.
UM, MALCOLM BERG IS GONNA PRESENT THE ARCHITECTURE AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND FOCUS ON THE FRONT YARD DISCUSSION.
UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THE, THE DESIGN THAT WE PRESENTED IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE OPERATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS PROPERTY.
THE 1941 DRIVEWAY, EITHER THE 1939 OR THE 1941 DRIVEWAY WERE FOR A HOTEL THAT TOTALED A HUNDRED ROOMS ONCE IT WAS EXPANDED.
THIS PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU KNOW IT, BUT THIS PROPERTY WAS PART OF THE RFP THAT WAS PUT OUT THAT RESULTED IN THE LOWE'S HOTEL AND THIS HOTEL BEING CONSTRUCTED BACK IN THE 1990S.
THIS WAS SET ASIDE AS THE AFRICAN AMERICAN HOTEL.
IT WAS FACT AWARDED TO DON PEEBLES.
AND THE CITY OWNED THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE REDEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
THERE WAS A LONG, LONG TERM LEASE AT THE TIME.
IT HAS SINCE BEEN SOLD WITH THE CITY'S APPROVAL, UM, AND IS NOW IN PRIVATE OWNERSHIP.
BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY A CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
AS THAT REDEVELOPMENT OCCURRED, I ACTUALLY WAS INVOLVED IN IT.
I WAS INVOLVED WHEN WE CAME IN TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE CITY, WHO WAS THE OWNER, TO DEMOLISH THE ROYAL PALM AND REPLACE IT.
AND I MET WITH EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
I ACTUALLY MET ON SITE WITH EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS AT THE TIME.
AND AMONG THE PEOPLE I MET WITH WAS NANCY.
UM, GOSH, I JUST DREW A MENTAL BLANK ON HER LAST NAME.
WHO, UM, WHO WAS THE PRESERVATION COMMISSIONER AT THE TIME.
AND WE WALKED IN THE FRONT DOOR AS I WAS SHOWING HER THE STRUCTURE AND WHY WE NEEDED TO HAVE THIS ACTION TAKEN.
SHE WALKED IN, SHE SPENT MAYBE THREE AND A HALF MINUTES INSIDE THE STRUCTURE, LOOKED UP THROUGH THE FLOORS, YOU COULD SEE UP THROUGH THREE FLOORS.
AND SHE SAID, I'M NOT STAYING IN THE BUILDING.
LET'S GO BACK OUTSIDE AND TALK ABOUT IT.
ANYWAY, THE LONG AND THE SHORT OF IT IS THE ROYAL PALM THAT YOU SEE TODAY IS A RECONSTRUCTED NEW STRUCTURE, BUT IS STILL CONSIDERED HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT.
'CAUSE IT IS A VERY ACCURATE, AND MOST PEOPLE, UH, DRIVING DOWN THE STREET, IN FACT, MOST BOARD MEMBERS DON'T REALIZE THAT IT IS A RECONSTRUCTED, UM, BUILDING.
ONE OTHER THING, WE ARE NOT ACTUALLY PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH ANYTHING IN THE FRONT YARD.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RELOCATION OF FACIL, OF FEATURES, NOT DEMOLITION.
UM, IT WAS LISTED AS DEMOLITION 'CAUSE THEY'RE IN A DIFFERENT PLACE.
BUT WE'LL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
LET ME TURN THIS OVER TO MALCOLM TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE, THE UPGRADE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, MALCOLM BERG, PRESIDENT AND DESIGN DIRECTOR OF EOA GROUP ARCHITECTURE FIRM IN, UH, CORAL GABLES, FLORIDA, 1929, UH, PON, UH, PON LEON, UH, BOULEVARD AT CORAL GABLES.
UM, SO WE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE, UH, ROYAL PALM.
I'VE BEEN GIVEN SEVEN MINUTES, SO IT'S GONNA BE A VERY EXPEDITED PRESENTATION.
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BEFORE.SO IF YOU WANNA STOP ME ANYTIME, PLEASE, PLEASE FEEL FREE.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT WHEN, WHEN I TALK TO MY CLIENTS ABOUT, UH, ARCHITECTURE, INTERIOR DESIGN, I ALWAYS TELL THEM, MAKING SOMETHING PRETTY IS ACTUALLY VERY EASY.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LOOK IN PINTEREST, POINT TO SOMETHING AND SAY, LET, LET'S MAKE THAT PRETTY.
MAKING IT FUNCTION REALLY WELL IS ACTUALLY WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD.
MAKING IT INTUITIVE, MAKING IT FLOW WELL, UH, MAKING CONNECTIONS, LINES OF SIGHT, SYMBIOSIS OF SPACES.
ALL THAT IS, TO ME, WHAT MAKES A PROPERTY FUNCTION REALLY, REALLY WELL.
THE ROYAL PALM TO US WAS, UH, ABOUT CREATING THAT INTUITIVE FLOW.
EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE FROM THE OUTSIDE TO THE INSIDE SPACES AND ALL THE WAY TO THE BACKYARD IS CREATING INTUITIVE FLOW AND INTUITIVE, UH, UH, COMMON CONNECTIONS OF SPACES THAT MAKE THOSE SPACES WORK WELL.
SO, TO THAT END, LEMME START AT THE BEGINNING.
I'M NOT GONNA BORE YOU WITH THE DETAILS OF THE CONCEPT.
UH, LET ME TAKE YOU RIGHT INTO CONTENTS INTERVENTION AND CHANGES.
ENTRY DRIVE, NEW SIGNAGE, LOCATION.
PYLA HAS MOVED TO EITHER SIDE OF THE DRIVE PATH, WATER FOUNTAIN PUSHED BACK AND RESTORED IN DRIVE, DRIVE, PATH, RECONFIGURATION.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WE HAVE IS THE FLOW APPROACHING THE PROPERTY.
EVERY TIME A CAB DRIVER SHOWS UP OR UBER COMES IN, THEY LITERALLY GO ON THE WRONG PATH.
THEY SORT OF BACK UP AWKWARDLY ON CALL-INS GO BACK IN.
THE FLOW IS REALLY QUITE TERRIBLE.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT PROBABLY WAS BUILT OR, OR THE, THE STAFF THINKS THAT IT ACTUALLY WAS BUILT PER THE LAST, UH, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS, WE BELIEVE THAT THE ORIGINAL INTENTION TO HAVE A SINGLE ENTRY AND A ROUNDABOUT WOULD'VE BEEN A MUCH BETTER, UH, PLAN.
UH, NEW FLOORING IN THE LOBBY AREA THAT'S BEYOND THE COMPASS ROWS ADDITION OF LOBBY BAR AND ELEVATED FLOOR SLAB.
THAT REALLY CREATES A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE INTERIOR AND THE EXTERIOR.
RELOCATION OF LOBBY CIRCLE, RAW IRON AND STEM VAES TO BE USED AS ARTWORK IN THE LOBBY.
THAT'S PART OF THE WINDOWS, UH, OPENING WINDOWS TO ESTABLISH A CONNECTION TO THE EXTERIOR SPACE, AGAIN, ABOUT CONNECTING INTERIOR WITH EXTERIOR NEW LOCATION FOR RECEPTION DESK, BRING IT CLOSER TO THE FRONT.
NEW FINISHES THROUGHOUT MAINTENANCE OF EXISTING HISTORIC ELEMENTS IN THE LOBBY.
EVERYTHING DEEMED HISTORICAL HAS BEEN MAINTAINED TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE.
FACADE BUILDING REMAINING AS IS NEW FINISHES THROUGHOUT THE BREEZEWAY POOL AND POOL RESTAURANT.
THESE ARE HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS, UM, THAT WE HAVE FOUND SO FAR.
BOTTOM LEFT, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE, THE DRIVEWAY, SINGLE DRIVE AS DRAWN AND IN THE MICROFICHE, UH, SPLITTING WITH AN ISLAND IN THE CENTER AND A ROUNDABOUT AT THE END.
UM, PRETTY PINCHED AT THE TIME.
CIRCULATION WASN'T AS NECESSARY.
VEHICULAR, UH, REQUIREMENT REQUIREMENTS WEREN'T AS HEAVY AS THEY ARE TODAY.
UH, NOR WAS CONGESTION AS AS CONGESTED AS IT IS TODAY.
MOVING BACK INTO CURRENT PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE, UM, OF THE SPACE OF TOP LEFT MAIN ENTRY, LOOKING AT THE PYLONS, UH, THAT DEBBIE WAS TALKING ABOUT A MINUTE AGO, THE WATER FEATURE, UM, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO PILOTS ON THE TOP RIGHT HAND SIDE, IT'S IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE.
UM, THE, THE, YOU CAN SEE THE WATER BLOWING OVER RIGHT ONTO THE, UH, PATH OF TRAVEL WHERE PEDESTRIANS ARE.
MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THAT WATER IS ACTUALLY OFF, AND THE, THE BASIN SORT OF DRIES OUT SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THAT.
UH, THAT WATER, UH, BLOWING OVER.
UM, IT'S BEEN PAINTED AND REPAINTED AND REPAINTED AND REPAINTED.
IT'S GOT A REALLY OLD PATINA TO IT AT THIS POINT.
IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE GREAT ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT IT'S HISTORIC.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WANT IT TO GO AWAY, BY THE WAY, THAT JUST MEANS THAT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT SHOWCASED AS WELL AS PROBABLY COULD BE.
EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE FACADE STAYS EXACTLY AS IS.
THE, THE, THE SIGNAGE, THE POCHE, UH, FENESTRATION COLUMNS, WINDOWS, UH, UH, EVERYTHING PRETTY MUCH STAYS EXACTLY AS IS GOING IN, IN THROUGH THE ENTRY LOBBY.
UH, YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT, THE SIGNIFICANT FEATURE IS THE OLD RECEPTION DESK THAT'S BEEN REPURPOSED BACK AND FORTH IN, IN DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENT MANIFESTATIONS THAT'S GONNA BE REMAINING AS IS THE COMPASS ROSE DIRECTLY TO THE RIGHT OF IT.
AND THEN AS YOU WALK IN, YOU SEE THAT SHOTGUN ENTRANCE THAT TAKES YOU ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
SO YOU REALLY DON'T SEE DAYLIGHT AGAIN UNTIL YOU GET TO THE OTHER END OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS PRETTY, PRETTY STARK, PRETTY SEVERE.
UH, THE RECEPTION DESK IS MOVED, IS CURRENTLY TWO BAYS AWAY FROM THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE BRINGING BACK CLOSER TO THE ENTRY, MORE SUPPORTING PHOTOGRAPHS.
THIS IS NOW AT THE END OF THAT LONG CORRIDOR.
NOW YOU STEP UP SOME STAIRS, YOU GET TO THE ELEVATOR LOBBY, AND THEN YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT, AND THAT'S YOUR FIRST CONNECTION TO THE EXTERIOR.
THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO CLEAN UP.
I THINK WE'RE HERE FOR A REASON.
WE ARE HERE TO SEE DAYLIGHT BE, BE ONE WITH THE ELEMENTS, UH, AND THE EXTERIOR SPACES.
SO WE WANNA MAKE THAT MUCH MORE CONNECTION, MUCH MORE PALPABLE.
THEN WE GET TO THE EXTERIOR, THE UPPER TERRACE, WHERE THE UPPER POOL IS RIGHT NOW.
UH, THE, THE LOWER, UH, BREEZEWAY, UH, THAT TAKES YOU BACK FROM THAT LITTLE MOMENT WHERE YOU CAME OUT IN THE ELEVATORS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, UH, RESTAURANT.
ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THE RESTAURANT
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IS CURRENTLY LANDLOCKED.IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN, YOU'LL SEE IT IN A SECOND.
IT IS LANDLOCKED BETWEEN THE BAR, THE KITCHEN, AND THE POOL BEYOND.
YOU SIT THERE, YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE IN A, YOU KNOW, BLUE CAVE.
THERE'S NO DAYLIGHT, THERE'S NO VIEW, THERE'S NO BREEZE.
SO WE'RE SWAPPING THOSE TWO OUT, BRINGING THE RESTAURANT CLOSER TO THE POOL, WHERE YOU HAVE A MUCH BETTER VIEW.
NOW, WE LOOK AT THE EXISTING POOL, UM, NOT MUCH.
THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A THERE, THERE, UH, THE BAR IS VERY CLOSE TO THE POOL.
YOU CAN SEE THE BAR RIGHT ON THE, UH, EDGE OF THE POOL, UM, WITH THIS SORT OF CANTILEVERED, UH, UH, ROOF STRUCTURE.
UH, BUT THERE REALLY ISN'T THAT MUCH ENGAGEMENT, UH, WITH THE POOL SPACE.
AND JUST A QUICK CHEAT SHEET AS TO WHAT THE PHOTOGRAPHS WERE, UH, ON PLAN THAT WE JUST, UH, LOOKED AT.
LET'S GET THROUGH THESE QUICKLY.
SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FIRST FLOOR, HAD DEMO PLAN.
EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN ORANGE IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH.
SO INTERIOR, NOTHING IS HISTORICAL THAT WE'RE DEMOLISHING.
UH, EXTERIOR, WE'RE TALKING MOSTLY ABOUT FF AND E BEYOND THE POOL, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE POOL RESTAURANT, UH, AND BAR IS DIRECTLY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
THE RESTAURANT WOULD'VE BEEN TO THE, TO THE LEFT OF THAT IN THAT LITTLE VOID.
I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN POINT TO THAT.
THAT WOULD BE RIGHT HERE WHERE THE RESTAURANT IS.
UM, THE AREA THAT WE'RE REALLY GONNA BE TALKING QUITE A BIT ABOUT TODAY IS THAT WATER FEATURE RIGHT THERE.
YOU SEE WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS, THE WIND, THE PREVAILING WIND COMING FROM THE EAST, BLOWS ALL THE WATER OVER ONTO THE SIDEWALK.
SO IN THE RECONFIGURATION, STARTING ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, WE ARE LOOKING AT ENTERING WITH A SINGLE ENTRY.
AND THAT ENTRY WILL PROBABLY HAVE TWO EXITS AND ONE ENTRANCE.
BUT I'LL LET, I'LL LET THE, UH, THE, UH, ENGINEERS AND THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
BUT THEN WE'RE BIFURCATING AGAIN, VERY SIMILAR TO THE ORIGINAL, UH, DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS PROVIDED WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, UM, MICROFICHE COMING IN, PROVIDING SORT OF A ROUNDABOUT AT THE PORTIER.
SO VEHICLES CAN TURN AROUND, ENTER INTO THE PARKING DOWN BELOW, AND THEN EXIT IN A MUCH MORE INTUITIVE FASHION.
AGAIN, MAKING IT AS COMFORTABLE AS INTUITIVE AS, AS, AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE ENTERING INTO THE BUILDING.
EVERYTHING IN THE FIRST SECTION STAYS AS IN, I'M GONNA BE ACTUALLY GOING RIGHT INTO, UH, THE, THE ENLARGED PLANS.
BUT WE'RE GONNA BE BREAKING DOWN INTO FOUR SECTIONS.
THAT TAKES US THROUGH THE BALLROOM ALL THE WAY TO THE POOL ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
THIS GOES UP ONTO THE, THE SECOND FLOOR THROUGH THE ELEVATOR LOBBY IN THE CENTER, AND THEN PARTS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE TO MEETING SPACES ON THE RIGHT INTO THE COOKERY RESTAURANT.
THE AREA THAT'S DASHED IN ORANGE IS THE AREA THAT'S GONNA BE IN, UH, UH, DEMOLISHED.
SO WE STILL HAVE THE MEETING SPACE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, NOT DOING MUCH THERE, AND SORT OF EXPANDING THE RESTAURANT ALL THE WAY TO THE WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
I TRY TO MOVE TO YOUR RIGHT, DIRECT, I'LL, I'LL GO FASTER.
UH, LOBBY TAKE YOU RIGHT THROUGH THE BREEZEWAY POOL AREAS, BALLROOMS RESTAURANT ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
I'M NOT SURE WHY THESE ARE NOT PICKING UP.
I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS IS NOT, UH, REGISTERING.
SOMETIMES MY OLD FASHIONED WAYS WITH BRINGING BOARDS IS FOR A REASON.
OUR RENDERINGS ARE NOT SHOWING UP IN THE PRESENTATION.
OH, WAIT, I SAW IT FOR A SECOND.
ALRIGHT, LET'S START WITH THIS ONE.
PROBABLY TAKING A MOMENT TO, TO LOAD UP.
THE IDEA WOULD BE TO GET THAT EXISTING, UH, HISTORICAL, UH, FOUNTAIN.
THIS IS NOT A COMPLICATED STRUCTURE.
IT LITERALLY IS A RECTANGLE WITH A, WITH A, WITH AN ADDITIONAL, UH, CURVE, UH, IN THE BACK, MOVE IT BACK AWAY FROM THE SIDEWALK, MAKE IT VERY PROMINENT.
REALLY COME BACK WITH A BEAUTIFUL, UH, UH, FOUNTAIN ELEMENTS THAT WERE, WERE DESIGNED, UH, ON DAY ONE, BUT ARE NOW USUALLY OFF.
UH, AND ALLOWING IT TO HAVE ITS PRESENCE IN THE CENTER STAGE OF THE, OF THE ENTRY SPACE.
UH, SO ANY OVERFLOW, ANY SPILLOVER FROM THE WIND WILL NOT BE AFFECTING THE SIDEWALK.
THE PYLONS ON EITHER SIDE COULD BE RETAINED AS THEY ARE IN THEIR, UH, UH, PRETTY MUCH IN THEIR EXISTING LOCATION, EXCEPT THAT THEY MIGHT BE MOVED SIDEWAYS JUST A LITTLE BIT.
I BELIEVE INITIALLY, HISTORICALLY THERE HAD BEEN FOUR.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.
SO YOU CAN SEE ENTERING NOW ENTERING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN, UH, UH, AS OPPOSED TO DOING IT COUNTERCLOCKWISE AS IT IS DONE TODAY.
ENTERING INTO THE SPACE, WE GO RIGHT INTO THE, WHAT IS, WHAT USED TO BE HISTORICALLY.
THE RECEPTION DESK THAT'S GONNA BE RETAINED WITH A COMPASS ROSE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
NOW THAT NOW IS GONNA BE A COFFEE SHOP, UH, JUST A COFFEE BAR, VERY CLOSE TO THE ENTRY, REALLY ACTIVATING THE ENTRANCE, PUTTING A VERY SMALL, UH, DISCREET RETAIL COMPONENT.
AND ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, A COMMUNAL TABLE FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN.
OPEN, OPEN IPADS, PLUG IN PHONES, HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE.
AS WE PASS BY THE, UH, THE, THE BAR, WE'LL BRING THE RECEPTION DESK RIGHT NEXT TO THE BAR, RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
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BAY OVER.WE'LL BRING IT MUCH CLOSER TO THE ENTRANCE FOR THAT INTUITIVE FLOW DIRECTLY TO THE RECEPTION.
ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WE'LL HAVE A LOBBY LOUNGE, AND OPPOSITE THAT LOBBY LOUNGE WILL BE THE BAR.
AND I THINK THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH ON THAT SIDE AS WELL.
YOU NEED TO SEE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.
THAT LOBBY BAR IS NOW ELEVATED AND COPLANAR WITH THE EXTERIOR.
SO WE'RE GOING FROM INTERIOR TO, UH, EXTERIOR FOR INDOOR OUTDOOR EXPERIENCE.
SO AS SOON AS YOU'RE AT THE RECEPTION DESK, NOW WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THE OUTSIDE.
YOU'RE GONNA GET DAYLIGHT, UH, UH, IMMEDIATELY, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE TODAY AS YOU COME OUT INTO THE EXTERIOR.
NOW WE'VE CREATED A SERIES OF EDDIES OF CIRCULATION.
UH, LOTS OF DAPPLED SHADE, UH, BEAUTIFUL NEW, UH, FLOORING, UH, FIRE PIT DIRECTLY OFF OF THE ELEVATOR LOBBY.
AND ON THE VERY, VERY FAR END, UH, YOU SEE WHERE THAT INDOOR OUTDOOR BAR IS CURRENTLY.
THIS IS HOW FAR YOU NEED TO WALK BEFORE YOU GET OUTSIDE.
NOW WE'RE GETTING YOU OUTSIDE RIGHT AT THE LOBBY BAR.
UH, ON THE VERY FAR END OF THE IMAGE, YOU'LL SEE THE STAIRS THAT TAKE YOU UP TO THE MEETING SPACES BEYOND LOTS OF SEA GRAPES, LOTS OF BEAUTIFUL DAPPLED, UH, UH, LIGHT, UH, COMING THROUGH.
AND THIS IS WHERE THE BAR CURRENTLY IS TO THE RIGHT.
WE'RE MOVING IT TO THE LEFT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE POOL, BUT CONNECTING THE POOL AND THE, UH, THE RESTAURANT, UH, WITH A VERY, UH, UH, SORT OF SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP RIGHT NEXT TO THE POOL ITSELF.
THIS IS THE RESTAURANT ON THE BAR ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, DROPPING DOWN, CASCADING INTO THE POOL.
ALL WE'RE ADDING TO THE POOL IS A JACUZZI AT THE END, BUT KEEPING THE SAME, UH, SHAPE OF THE POOL.
AND THAT TAKES US TO THE OUTSIDE TO THE BOARDWALK.
LOOKING BACK AT THE POOL DECK AND THE, UM, AND THE RESTAURANT BEYOND.
I THINK THAT'S THE END OF THE GRAPHICS PRESENTATION.
UM, ONE THING MALCOLM DIDN'T MENTION IS THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ELEVATED POOL ON THE SECOND LEVEL IS ACTUALLY BEING REMOVED, AND THAT'S BECOMING A MULTI-USE SPACE.
UH, SO THERE WOULD NO LONGER BE A RAISED POOL.
I, I KNOW OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH AT ONE POINT, DIDN'T LIKE THAT POOL VERY MUCH.
UM, AND IT'S REALLY AN EXTENSION OF THE, OF THE RESTAURANT ON THE, ON THE SECOND LEVEL OUTDOOR TERRA.
UM, SO JUST TO, UH, I WANT OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, ADRIAN, TO COME UP AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE, UM, THE FRONT YARD, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THE DISCUSSION POINT WITH US.
WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT, I THINK.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE, BUT STAFF AND WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, JUST TECHNICAL POINTS AND WE'LL, I'M SURE WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT FURTHER.
WE ARE ASKING TO RELOCATE THE PYLONS FIVE FEET FURTHER OUT TOWARD THE PROPERTY LINES.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPH, THERE WERE FOUR.
THERE WERE TWO RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE, AND THEN TWO THAT WERE CENTERED.
WE DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM EXISTED AT THE TIME.
UM, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE MORE TIME.
WE ARE, AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO RELOCATE THE FOUNTAIN.
I DON'T BELIEVE THE FOUNTAIN IS ORIGINAL BECAUSE I WAS INVOLVED IN 19, WELL, 2000 WHEN IT WAS WHEN WE, WHEN WE DEMOED THE ROYAL PALM ITSELF AND REBUILT IT.
BUT WE WILL, WE WILL WORK WITH STAFF.
WE'LL DOCUMENT WHETHER IT IS OR ISN'T ORIGINAL.
IF IT'S ORIGINAL, ASSUMING YOU'LL APPROVE IT, WHICH MAY NOT.
WE WILL MOVE THAT FOUNTAIN IF IT IS ORIGINAL AND REPAIR IT IN ITS NEW LOCATION.
UM, IF IT'S REALLY NEW CONSTRUCTION, THEN I WOULD SUBMIT, WE WOULD ASK TO BUILD ANOTHER NEW FACILITY.
UM, IN THE LOCATION, WE ARE, WE ARE PROPOSING, ONE REALLY IMPORTANT THING THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IS IN THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENED AT THE END OF THE NINETIES, EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, THERE WAS UNDERGROUND PARKING BUILT UNDERNEATH THE BACK ADDITION ON THE RE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.
THERE ARE A HUNDRED PLUS SPACES VALET UNDER THAT BUILDING, AND THEIR ENTRANCE AND EXIT POINT IS RIGHT IN THE CORNER HERE.
THAT DRAMATICALLY CHANGES THE FLOW AND THE OPERATION OF WHAT WAS ONCE A HISTORIC FRONT YARD THAT WAS ONLY FOR ONE BUILDING AND HAD NO OTHER CONNECTIONS TO IT.
UM, IT'S, IT, IT DOESN'T SHOW UP VERY WELL THERE.
LET ME, I THINK IT'LL SHOW UP BETTER HERE.
SO THERE'S THE FRONT ENTRANCE.
THERE'S A DRIVE THAT GOES DOWN RIGHT HERE TO UNDERGROUND PARKING.
THAT IS THE VALET PARKING FOR THIS 400 ROOM HOTEL.
NOW WE ALSO HAVE SEVERAL HUNDRED PARKING SPACES OFFSITE IN THE 16TH STREET GARAGE, UM, THAT, THAT THE CITY OWNS.
BUT WE HAVE AN EASEMENT IN IT THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL.
UH, SO THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE VEHICLES AND THE, AND THE STAFF GOES.
BUT THAT OPERATIONAL ISSUE HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE INTERNAL CIRCULATION.
LET ME TURN IT OVER TO ADRIAN TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE OPERATIONS.
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GOOD MORNING.ADRIAN DUKOWSKI WITH KIMBERLY HORN OFFICES AT TWO HAMBRA, UH, PLAZA AND CORAL GABLES.
SO THE PROPOSED PLAN, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING WITH IT IS RESOLVING REALLY THREE DIFFERENT ISSUES, UM, RELATED TO OPERATIONS AND SAFETY.
UM, FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, THE ACCESS SPACING OR, OR THE FDOT HAS SPECIFIC SPACING GUIDELINES FOR DRIVEWAYS AS WELL AS VALET CIRCULATION, IMPROVING THAT CONDITION.
SO THE EXISTING OPERATIONS AND SAFETY ISSUES STEM FROM THE CLOCKWISE, UM, CIRCULATION THAT EXISTS ON THE, ON THE SITE NOW.
UM, SO ESSENTIALLY THE INGRESS DRIVEWAY IS LOCATED AFTER THE EGRESS DRIVEWAY.
SO DRIVER'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE TRAVELING NORTHBOUND ON COLLINS TEND TO TURN INTO THE FIRST DRIVEWAY WITH, YOU KNOW, RIGHT HAND FLOW, UM, KEEP RIGHT TRAFFIC, AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY ENTERING THROUGH THE EXIT.
SO YOU'RE CONFLICTING WITH EXITING VEHICLES AND CREATING A UNSAFE CONDITION.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, WHEN TRAFFIC IS EXITING THE SITE THROUGH THAT SOUTH DRIVEWAY, THE NORTH DRIVEWAY, THE ENTRY ONLY BEING 25 FEET AWAY, TRAFFIC IS SLOWING DOWN TO ENTER.
SO THERE'S A CHANCE FOR EXITING TRAFFIC TO ACTUALLY REAR END THE TRAFFIC THAT'S ENTERING THE SITE BECAUSE IT'S THE, UH, CLOCKWISE CIRCULATION VERSUS, UM, COUNTERCLOCKWISE.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO WITH THE, UM, SITE IS TO CONSOLIDATE THE DRIVEWAYS INTO ONE ACCESS CONDITION, WHERE WE ELIMINATE THOSE UNSAFE CONDITIONS FOR, UM, ENTERING TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC ENTERING THROUGH THE WRONG WAY AS WELL.
UM, THIS ALSO WILL HELP IMPROVE THE VALET CIRCULATION, WHICH I'LL GET INTO, UM, IN A MINUTE.
WHAT WE ALSO DO WITH THE CONFIGURATION IS, IS SOLVE THE FDOT ACCESS, UM, CONCERNS.
SO FDOT MAINTAINS COLLINS AVENUE.
THEY HAVE, UM, SPACING CRITERIA THAT THEY PROVIDE FOR COLLINS AVENUE.
IT'S 125 FEET IN BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS.
SO THE CURRENT SITE, UM, HAS A 32% VARIANCE TO THE SOUTH.
THE LOADING DRIVEWAY THAT'S USED FOR THE ROYAL PALM, UM, TO THE NORTH.
UM, THE DRIVEWAYS ARE ACTUALLY, THE NEAREST DRIVEWAY IS 170 FEET.
SO THERE'S NO VARIANCE NEEDED THERE.
BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THE ISSUE OF THE IN AND OUT DRIVEWAYS BEING SPACED 25 FEET APART.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR PROPOSED CONDITION, UM, WE IMPROVE THAT SOUTH VARIANCE, UM, TO THE SOUTH DRIVEWAY.
IT IMPROVES FROM 32% TO 15%, UM, WITH THE DISTANCE BEING REDUCED TO, UM, OR INCREASE TO A HUNDRED AND AND SIX FEET BETWEEN THOSE DRIVEWAYS, WHICH THIS RESULTS IN SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET FROM FDOT ADMINISTRATIVELY, USUALLY 15% IS THE CUTOFF, UM, TO GET AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO THROUGH A SEPARATE VARIANCE HEARING FOR THAT.
UM, HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO YOU THINK YOUR TEAM NEEDS? I HAVE TWO MORE SLIDES JUST TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE MORE, BUT THEN IS THERE SOMEBODY AFTER YOU, I WOULD SAY THREE OR FOUR MINUTES AND WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS? I THINK, OF COURSE, NO, I'M NOT, JUST IN YOUR PRESENTATION, MAYBE THREE MINUTES.
SO GETTING INTO THE VALET CIRCULATION WITH THE CURRENT PLAN, UH, THE VALET TRIPS, UM, FOR PICKUP, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO EXIT OUT ONTO COLLINS TRAVEL ON THE EXTERNAL ROADWAY NETWORK TO THEN GO BACK TO THE PORTES SHARE FOR PEOPLE TO, TO PICK UP THEIR CAR.
SO YOU HAVE THIS UNNECESSARY TRIP HAVING TO CIRCULATE ON THE EXTERNAL ROADWAY NETWORK WITH OUR PROPOSED PLAN, THOSE VALET TRIPS ARE ALL INTERNALIZED.
SO VALET PICKUP TRIPS, THE, THE VALET JUST TAKES THE CAR RIGHT OUT OF THE GARAGE, BRINGS IT TO THE PORTIER, AND THEN THE VEHICLE EXITS THE SITE FOR VALET DROP OFF.
IT'S ALSO INTERNALIZED BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT EXTRA LOOP, UM, TOWARDS COLLINS AVENUE, BUT ALL INTERNAL TO THE SITE.
UM, I THINK YOU, I, I MEAN, I THINK YOU CAN SEE WE'VE TRIED TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS RESPONSIVE AND WE BELIEVE RESPECTFUL OF THE HISTORIC CONDITION AT THE PROPERTY, KEEPING THE PYLONS, KEEPING THE FOUNTAIN, BUT COMING UP WITH A CIRCULATION THAT IS SAFER AND MORE EFFICIENT FOR WHAT IS IN FACT A VERY LARGE HOTEL THAT WAS ORIGINALLY A VERY SMALL HOTEL THAT ORIGINALLY HAD NO OTHER PARKING OTHER THAN PARALLEL PARKING ON THE FRONT DRIVEWAY.
SO OUR, OUR CURRENT SITUATION IS MUCH MORE COMPLICATED THAN NINA STARK.
UH, AND THE STAFF HAS SUGGESTED, WELL JUST REVERSE THE FLOW ON THE LOOP SO THAT YOU ENTER ON THE SOUTH AND EXIT ON THE NORTH.
THAT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET CARS BACK INTO THE VALET WITHOUT GOING BACK OUT ONTO COLLINS AGAIN.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
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YOU KNOW, WE SOLVE IT BY HAVING AN INTERNAL, UH, LOOP ON THE PROPERTY.UM, SO THAT VALET DOESN'T IMPACT COLLINS AVENUE AT ALL.
UM, AND WE THINK THAT'S A MUCH BETTER PLACE FOR ALL OF US BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE, THAT'S A VERY BUSY SECTION OF COLLINS AVENUE.
THE MORE WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT BETTER, THE BETTER IT IS FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, WE DO THINK WE'RE RESPECTFUL.
WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
WE'RE SORRY WE TOOK QUITE SO MUCH TIME, BUT WANTED TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES.
UM, ARTHUR MARCUS IS HERE TOO.
I WILL TELL YOU, WE'RE NOT CONVINCED THAT THE ORIGINAL DIDN'T GET BUILT IN THE VERY FIRST, UH, NOBODY KNOWS THERE'S A DRAWING THAT SHOWS A SINGLE ENTRY, AND WE KNOW TWO YEARS LATER IT WASN'T THERE.
WHETHER IT EVER GOT IMPLEMENTED OR NOT, NOBODY CAN TELL.
UM, BUT THE TIME, THE CONFIGURATION OF THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE IT IS ALSO A CONVENTION CENTER HOTEL PROPERTY HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY WITH THAT, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, PLEASE? OKAY.
UM, UH, SO, AND YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY THE INGRESS WAS ON THE NORTH SIDE.
I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONFUSING COUNTERCLOCKWISE CIRCULATION.
IT'S CONFUSING, BUT I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A SELF-IMPOSED CONDITION AS IT IS.
I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT IT, YOUR NATURAL INCLINATION WOULD BE TO GO IN THE SOUTH ENTRANCE AND EXIT THE NORTH.
UM, I WAS LOOKING AT IT NOW, AND IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I WALKED OVER THERE, ALTHOUGH I, I USED TO BE IN AND OUTTA THAT HOTEL QUITE REGULARLY.
UM, I WOULD GO TO THE RESTAURANT, THE BAR, THE POOL, THE BEACH, THE BEACH CHAIRS.
UM, AND MY PARENTS ACTUALLY STAYED THERE WHEN THEY WOULD COME TO VISIT.
UM, LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE PAVERS, UM, EXISTING IN, UM, KIND OF WEST OF LIKE THE PORTICO SHARE.
UM, AND I I, I THOUGHT THAT HAD BEEN USED FOR TURNAROUND PURPOSES, UM, WITHIN THE PROPERTY.
IS IS THAT ACCURATE? IT'S, I DON'T KNOW.
I COULDN'T FIND IN THE PRESENTATION AN EXISTING CONDITION THAT REFLECTED THAT OR AN ARIEL.
UM, GEORGE, DO YOU, I NEED TO TAKE THIS.
UM, DO WE HAVE THE EXISTING CONDITION, GEORGE? UH, I THINK YOU'RE ASKING IS THERE AN EXISTING TURNAROUND IN HERE TODAY? I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE AERIAL AND MAP TO THE BEST I CAN DO AT THIS POINT.
I THINK THEIR ANSWER IS THERE IS A, I THINK A SINGLE LANE.
MM-HMM
TURNS OUT THAT CORNER LOCATION CREATES A LOT OF COMPLICATIONS IN TERMS OF THE CIRCULATION THAT WHERE IT GOES UNDERGROUND UNDERNEATH THE NEW PART OF THE, THE SHORE CREST.
UM, AND I, THE REASON THEY ARE, THEY HAVE BEEN OPERATING WITH THE NORTH AS THE ENTRY IS SO THAT VALET CAN GO DIRECTLY INTO THE GARAGE.
'CAUSE WHEN YOU COME THE OTHER WAY, THE DROP OFF POINT IS PAST THE ENTRY.
YOU HAVE TO CIRCULATE BACK THROUGH MM-HMM.
UM, BUT IT IS, I'VE PERSONALLY WATCHED QUITE A FEW CARS PULL IN THE WRONG WAY INTO THE WRONG DRIVEWAY AND THEN BACK OUT INTO COLLINS AVENUE.
WELL, I, SO I, I DON'T, AND, AND, AND I THINK TYPICALLY OUR PROCEDURE IS, I DON'T WANNA TAKE THE CHAIR'S, UH, YOU KNOW, GO, GO AHEAD, CONTINUE.
BUT NORMALLY WE KIND OF GET OUR QUESTIONS OUT AND THEN WE CAN DO IT HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE.
IF YOU'D LIKE THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED RIGHT AWAY, LIKE SOME OF US DO, THEN YOU CAN DO THAT.
UM, I, I CAN ADD TO, TO YOUR QUESTION.
UH, GEORGE RIGG, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH KIMLEY HORNER ASSOCIATES, UH, OFFICES TO HAMBRA PLAZA, CORAL GABLES.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, THE PAVEMENT'S THERE, BUT IT'S TOO TIGHT FOR SOMEBODY TO BE DROPPED OFF AND THEN THE VALET BE ABLE TO DO A 180 BACK IN.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT, THE SPACE IS THERE, BUT IT REALLY, YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT TURN.
THE I THE LANDSCAPE I IS SO NARROW
UM, UM, MY NEXT QUESTION, THIS IS TOWARDS, UM, KIMBERLY HORN.
UM, RELATED TO, UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT FDOT GUIDELINES WITH REGARD TO THE, THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCES AND YOU, YOU USED THE WORD GUIDELINES.
IT IS A GUIDELINE, NOT A REQUIREMENT.
THEY'RE GUIDELINES, BUT YOU HAVE TO GO TO VARIANCE FOR THEM.
SO IT'S A FORMAL PROCESS THAT YOU GO THROUGH, THROUGH WITH THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE? CORRECT.
SO THEY CALL IT GUIDELINES, BUT IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY IT'S BINDING GUIDELINES.
UM, BUT THERE IS NO VARIANCE REQUIRED
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FOR AN EXISTING CONDITION.SO AS IT STANDS, THE ENTRANCES, IF THEY WERE TO STAY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEEK ANY SORT OF VARIANCE BECAUSE IT EXISTS.
IS THAT ACCURATE? IF, IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING AND THEY STAY AS IS WITH THE CLOCKWISE CIRCULATION, THEN WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO THEM.
I MEAN, COULD YOU, I, I'M JUST SETTING ASIDE THE, THE QUESTION OF T FOR JUST A MOMENT, I, COULD IT BE CHANGED TO A COUNTERCLOCKWISE CIRCULATION WITHOUT ANY NEED TO GO BACK TO FDOT ABOUT IT? NO, IT'S, AS SOON AS WE WOULD MODIFY THAT CIRCULATION, WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THEM.
AND THEN WE STILL, WHEN YOU CHANGE THAT CIRCULATION, IT STILL REQUIRES A 32% VARIANCE BECAUSE THAT SOUTH DRIVEWAY, WHEN WE GO TO THE SOUTH TO THE LOADING DRIVEWAY, THAT THAT DISTANCE IS STILL, IT'S THE SAME DISTANCE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S CLOCKWISE OR COUNTER-CLOCKWISE CIRCULATION.
SO TO CHANGE THE CIRCULATION WITHIN YOUR OWN PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO GO TO FTA TO GET APPROVAL? YES.
UM, I JUST, UH, ONE THING THAT I DIDN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND, UM, THE PRESENTATION ABOUT THE INTERIOR, I MIGHT HAVE HEARD YOU WRONG.
DID YOU SAY THAT THE, THE RECEPTION DESK IS TWO DAYS? BAY BAYS? BAYS, BAYS? IT SOUNDED LIKE DAYS AND THEN I THOUGHT IT WAS BAYS.
IT FEELS LIKE TWO DAYS, BUT IT'S ONLY DAYS
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I DO.
ASK, UH, YOU CITED THERE WERE A NUMBER OF SAFETY CONCERNS OVER THE YEARS.
HOW MANY DOCUMENTED CASES THAT YOU HAD OVER ACCIDENTS OCCURRING BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT LAYOUT? WE, WE HAVE NOT LOOKED INTO PULLING, UM, THOSE COUNTS.
WE'D HAVE TO GET THE POLICE DEPARTMENT INVOLVED.
AND TYPICALLY AS A PRIVATE APPLICANT, IT'S SOMETHING THE CITY WOULD BE, WOULD BE ABLE TO PULL EASIER BECAUSE OF THE LIABILITY ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH THOSE REPORTS OR POTENTIAL LIABILITY.
THEY TYPICALLY DON'T PROVIDE THAT TO PRIVATE ENTITIES.
SO RIGHT NOW WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW UNSAFE THE CURRENT CONDITIONS ARE.
SO THE DRIVEWAY CURRENTLY IS IN A CLOCKWISE ROTATION, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND YOU CITED THAT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO PUT IT IN A COUNTER CLOCKWISE BECAUSE OF THE STACKING OF THE CARS ON COLLINS AVENUE? IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD? YOU'RE SAYING? NO, NO.
GOING TO THE COUNTER CLOCKWISE IS INTUITIVE FOR DRIVERS.
'CAUSE YOU ENTER THE DRIVEWAY FIRST, UM, AND THEN YOU EXIT THROUGH THE NORTH.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PREFERRED.
UM, BUT YOU'RE SHOWING IT AS A SINGLE ENTRY AND EXIT WHERE IT COULD BE INDIVIDUAL ENTRY AND EXIT ONE ON THE SOUTH.
ONE ON THE NORTH, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THAT'S THE POINT THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING PREVIOUSLY, THAT IF YOU JUST FLIP THE CIRCULATION RIGHT, WE WOULD STILL NEED THE, TO GET THE FDOT VARIANCE TO THE DRIVEWAY TO THE SOUTH.
SO I'M NOT CLEAR ON THE ISSUE OF THE PARKING ARRANGEMENTS WHERE YOU SAY YOU'D HAVE TO PULL OUT INTO COLLINS AVENUE.
SO THE, THE PROBLEM, IF YOU JUST TAKE THE EXISTING CONDITION AND YOU REVERSE THE FLOW, YOU ENTER ON THE SOUTH, YOU DRIVE PAST THE VALET ENTRANCE AND YOU DROP OFF PAST THE VALET ENTRANCE, THE VALET WOULD PICK UP THE CAR AT THE FRONT OF THE HOTEL AND HAVE NO ABILITY TO GET BACK INTO THE VALET.
WHY NOT? WHY CAN'T YOU CREATE A A, A DRIVEWAY IN THE MEDIA? 'CAUSE THE LANDSCAPE STRIP IS ONLY LIKE 15 FEET WIDE.
YOU CAN'T GET A TURNING RADIUS TO MAKE A TURN THROUGH THAT NARROW, THAT NARROW AREA.
HOW WIDE IS THE PROPERTY? EXCUSE ME? IT'S 50 FEET.
YOUR DRIVEWAY IS WHAT, 18 OR 22 FEET? UH, 22 I BELIEVE.
SO IF IT'S 50 FEET, MOST CARS CAN MAKE A TURNING RADIUS WITHIN 40 FEET.
I, SO WE, WE, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE ASH TO GUIDELINES, UM, WITHIN THE GREEN BOOK, SO THAT'S WHAT WE USE TO PREPARE MANEUVERABILITY ANALYSES.
SO THE PASSENGER VEHICLE IS A 19 FOOT LONG VEHICLE, WHICH GRANTED, THAT'S, THAT'S A LARGER SUV.
UM, AND IT'S EVEN CONSERVATIVE THERE BECAUSE THE LARGER SUVS ARE TYPICALLY 18 AND A HALF FEET LONG.
UM, THAT DIAMETER THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THAT MANEUVER IS 49 FEET FROM EDGE TO EDGE.
SO AS PART OF THE, UM, ANALYSIS THAT WE PREPARED, WE, AND LAYING OUT THE PROPOSED SITE, WE PREPARED A MANEUVERABILITY ANALYSIS TO ENSURE THAT WE COULD, THE VALET VEHICLES WOULD BE ABLE TO DROP OFF, UM, IN THE DROP OFF AREA AND THEN BE ABLE TO CIRCULATE.
SO VALET VEHICLES WILL BE ABLE TO PULL IN HERE, PULL UP TO, TO THIS AREA, AND THEN THEY'RE TAKEN BACK
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THIS WAY.OR THEY COULD EVEN COME DOWN HERE AND COME AROUND IN, INTO THIS AREA HERE TO DROP OFF AND THEN GO INTO THE GARAGE.
SAME WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY COME OUT OF THE GARAGE, THEY CAN STOCK HERE OR THEY CAN COME AROUND THIS WAY AND STOCK AND GO INTO THESE SPACES FOR ADDITIONAL STOCKING.
IF THE LANDSCAPE IS CONTINUOUS.
IF THE LANDSCAPE IS CONTINUOUS ALL THE WAY TO THE STREET AS IT IS TODAY, THE ONLY PLACE TO TURN AROUND OTHER THAN POTENTIALLY TRYING TO CREATE A DRIVE THROUGH THE EXISTING CONDITION IS BACK OUT ON.
AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS TODAY.
IF YOU'RE ON SITE, THE VALET ENDS UP BACK ON THE STREET TO TURN AND GET, EITHER TO GO BACK TO THE FRONT.
'CAUSE TODAY THEY COME OUT, THEY DO THIS TO DROP OFF WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE RETURNING THE CAR.
IT, THAT WOULD REVERSE ITSELF IN THE OTHER CONDITION IF THIS IS A CONTINUOUS, UH, BAND ALL THE WAY TO THE STREETS.
SO IF I MAY, AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
ARE YOU FINISHED? NO, I I I'M SIMPLY NOT BUYING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I CAN'T SEE IT BECAUSE YOUR LANDSCAPE, AREAS OF THE ENTRY, IF YOU WERE TO ELIMINATE THOSE AND CREATE THOSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DRIVEWAY, I DON'T SEE WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
WHY NOT, WHY YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT TURN? YOU, YOU SHOW IT THERE.
SO IN, IN THIS GRAPHIC HERE, UM, THIS IS THE CURRENT CIRCULATION PATTERN WHERE THE VALET PICKUP VEHICLES HAVE TO COME OUT ONTO COLLINS AND THEN COME INTO THE PORTICO SHARE.
IF WE REVERSE THAT CIRCULATION, YOU PULL INTO THE, THE PORTES SHARE, DROP YOUR CAR OFF THE VALET, THEN TAKES YOUR CAR AND HAS TO TRAVEL DOWN, MAKE A LEFT, GET ONTO COLLINS.
YOU'D ACTUALLY, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT LEFT.
GO UP SOMEWHERE, MAKE A U-TURN, COME BACK DOWN, AND THEN MAKE A LEFT INTO THE SITE TO THEN GET INTO THE GARAGE.
IF WE REVERSE THAT CIRCULATION, SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO INTERNAL PLACE TO, TO FULFILL BOTH THE VALET DROP OFF OR PICKUP.
SO REVERSING THE FLOW WITH THAT CURRENT SCHEME, EITHER THE VALET DROP OFF TRIP IS IMPACTED, OR THE VALET PICKUP TRIP IS IMPACTED.
WAIT, BUT JUST WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
JUST, I KNOW YOU'RE ASCO ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR, OR YOU, THIS IS A QUESTIONING TIME FOR THE APPLICANTS.
WE'LL HAVE TIMES TO DISCUSS THIS OURSELVES.
BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO CONTINUE WITH YOUR QUESTIONS.
I JUST DON'T SEE, THIS IS YOUR PROPOSED LAYOUT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
YOU'RE MAKING A TURN BETWEEN THE ISLANDS.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT DOING THIS, IT'S GOING STRAIGHT INTO THE GARAGE.
YOU CAN SHIFT THAT, YOU CAN RETURN, YOU CAN SHIFT THAT ENTRY TO THE LEFT TO THE WEST.
CAN YOU NOT? AND HA, AND STILL HAVE ENTRY ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND AN EXIT ON THE NORTH SIDE.
I I'M YOU'RE SAYING WE COULD MOVE THIS? THE ANSWER IS THE, IT'S PROBABLY POSSIBLE.
I, I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT'S NOT, IT'S PROBABLY POSSIBLE TO CREATE A, A CIRCULATION WHERE WE DROP OFF HERE.
I MEAN, WE MOVED IT HERE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE TURN.
SO THE REASON WHY THIS IS SO WIDE IS SO THAT WE HAVE A STACKING LANE AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A BYPASS LANE.
SO THE VEHICLES AREN'T STUCK BEHIND ONE ANOTHER.
THIS IS, DO YOU, DID YOU GET YOUR CLARIFICATIONS? I UNDERSTAND THE, I KNOW WHAT I'M THINKING.
I THINK MANY OF US, MANY OF US DO.
THANK YOU FOR THAT LINE OF QUESTIONING.
DID YOU WANNA JUMP IN LINDSAY AND YEAH, SO I'M JUST, I'M GONNA TAG ONTO THAT.
I THINK THE QUESTION THAT IT SEEMS MANY OF US HAVE IS YOU HAVE YOUR EXISTING CONDITION, YOU HAVE YOUR PROPOSED CONDITION, AND THEN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS KIND OF SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS WHAT, BESIDES THE GUIDELINE AND SEEKING SOME SORT OF VARIANCE THAT YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO REVERSE THE, UH, THE FLOW WITHIN YOUR PROPERTY, UM, WHAT PREVENTS YOU FROM HAVING THE TWO ENTRANCES AND MAINTAINING THE FRONT ENTRANCE AS IT IS, WHICH, AND I WILL GET TO THAT AT SOME POINT LATER IN COMMENT, PRESERVES THE EXISTING PYLONS, THE FOUNTAINS, THE PEDESTRIAN INTERACTION AT THAT SPACE.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE LOSING ALL OF THAT AND PULLING IT BACK IN AND TAKING THAT AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, THE PEDESTRIAN WALKING BY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANDER UNDER YOUR PROPERTY TO GO LOOK AT THE FOUNTAIN MOST LIKELY, AND YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT THEM TO.
BUT HAVING THAT AT THE PEDESTRIAN LEVEL WHERE THERE'S AN INTERACTION BETWEEN THE, AND HONESTLY, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE ALWAYS LOVED ABOUT THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THIS BUILDING.
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WHAT STOPS YOU FROM HAVING THE EXISTING NORTH AND SOUTH ENTRANCE REVERSING THE FLOW, BUT RECONFIGURING THE INTERNAL LANDSCAPE IN ORDER TO ALLOW YOUR TURNAROUND WITHIN THE PROPERTY? THAT'S MY QUESTION.DOES THAT SUM IT UP? I THINK OKAY.
I THINK THE ANSWER IS THAT'S POSSIBLE.
IT'S NOT WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDED JUST REVERSING THE FLOW.
NO, LET ME, I JUST NEED TO CLARIFY THAT WE ARE SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE OKAY TO CREATE THAT LOOP WITHIN THE PROPERTY TO GET THE VALET BACK TO THE GARAGE.
UM, THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING TO THE QUESTIONS.
UH, NOW WE'RE AT BOARD DISCLOSURES.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, DISCLOSURES ON THIS? DID ANYBODY KNOW? NO, NO, NO, NO.
UH, WE'RE OPENING TO A PUBLIC HEARING.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON ZOOM.
DANIEL ERALDO WITH MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE.
UH, WE DO APPRECIATE THE COMPREHENSIVE INVESTMENTS BEING MADE TO THE HOTEL, WHICH WILL INCLUDE SIGNIFICANT REHABILITATION AND RESTORATION.
BUT AS FOR THE PROPOSED CHANGE ON THE DRIVEWAYS, WE DO FALL IN FAVOR OF STAFF'S POSITION.
WE DID LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION.
WE SEE A VERY SPECIFIC RHYTHM OF THE ENTRYWAY.
THIS WAS A TIME WHEN CARS WERE BECOMING EXTREMELY POPULAR FOR THE MASS MARKET.
AND SO HAVING THAT ORIGINAL ENTRYWAY, IT'S VERY GLAMOROUS.
UM, MAYBE IT WOULD BE BETTER TO PRESERVE, BUT MAYBE RECONFIGURE SOMEHOW.
BUT WE DO KNOW IT, IT IS A CHALLENGE.
UH, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ALL OF YOU FIGURING IT OUT.
SEE NO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OKAY.
ALRIGHT, WELL, UM, NOW WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO BOARD COMMENT.
AND RAY, WHY DON'T WE START WITH YOU AND WE'LL, WE'LL GO UP HERE.
AND THIS IS NOT BOARD QUESTIONING FOR THE APPLICANT.
THIS IS JUST BOARD TALKING TO BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT WHEN I'VE GONE TO THIS HOTEL AND I'VE WALKED FROM THE STREET IN, THERE'S NO REAL PATHWAY THAT SAYS THIS IS HOW I SHOULD GET INTO THE HOTEL.
YOU'RE WALKING DOWN A DRIVEWAY, UM, UH, TO GET IN.
AND I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT'S BEEN SOLVED HERE EITHER.
UM, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T EXPECT THAT EVERYBODY THAT'S COMING TO THAT HOTEL IS COMING IN A CAR.
NO, THIS IS NOT BOARD COMMENT.
BUT THAT STILL BRINGS YOU BACK TO A, IT STILL BRINGS YOU BACK.
YOU GET A SIDEWALK, YOU'RE STILL GOING BACK, BACK INTO A ROAD.
THAT SIDEWALK DOES NOT TAKE YOU ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT DOOR.
RAY HIGH SCHOOL, DO YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING TO YOUR, UM, LINE OF INQUIRY? OKAY.
UM, THANK, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, LOOKS BEAUTIFUL AND, UM, WISH YOU GUYS ALL THE BEST IN THE PROJECT, BUT I DO AGREE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING, UM, THE FRONT ENTRANCE.
SO I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT TODAY.
BRIAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO? UM, I'M A, I'M UNRESOLVED ON, ON THE, THE FLOW IN THE INTERIOR.
I THINK HASKELL BROUGHT UP SOME REALLY GREAT POINTS AND, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH LINDSAY, I GUESS THEY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SUGGESTED SOME OTHER, UH, POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS, I SUPPOSE.
UH, AND ALSO I, I DO HAVE, COULD YOU TAKE US BACK? OH, WE'RE NOT IN THE QUE WE'RE DONE WITH QUESTIONS.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A, IF YOU HAVE SOME, A SPECIAL REQUEST FOR GO.
WELL, 'CAUSE I, I AM SENSITIVE TO THIS ARRIVAL EXPERIENCE FROM A PEDESTRIAN POINT OF VIEW TO, TO RAY'S POINT.
I DON'T, THIS PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE SIGNAGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LIKE THAT, THAT LONG EXPANSE THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST FEELS KIND OF, UH, NEVER ENDING.
BUT IT, AND I, AND I SEE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED HERE, BUT IT DOES APPEAR THAT THAT SIDEWALK LOOKS MORE OF AN AFTERTHOUGHT.
AND I'M CURIOUS IN TERMS OF SIGNAGE, IN TERMS OF SIGNALING AND WAY FINDING AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO THERE.
'CAUSE I, I WAS LOOKING IN THE PLANS AND I DIDN'T SEE IT.
SO THIS IS ONE OPTION, RIGHT, COMING ACROSS.
BUT REMEMBER THERE'S ALSO AN OPTION TO THE NORTH.
SO BETWEEN THE LOWE'S AND OUR PROPERTY, WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC WALK THAT TAKES YOU TO THE BEACH WALK, RIGHT? THAT'S THE BEACH ACCESS THOUGH.
SO WE OPENED IT UP HERE IN BOTH A RAMP AND THE STEPS SO THAT YOU CAN USE THAT EXISTING BEACH ACCESS TO COME TO THE FRONT DIRECTLY TO THE PLAZA AREA.
SO HOW DOES IT SHOW THAT? YEAH, IT'S, YEAH, IT DOES RIGHT HERE.
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STEPS IN A RAMP THAT TAKES YOU UP.ON SAME ON THE MIC IF YOU HAVE, YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME QUESTION I HAVE.
HOW DO YOU KNOW FROM A WAYFINDING PERSPECTIVE IN THOSE, WHETHER YOU'RE ON THE, YOU KNOW, NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET OR ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET, HOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO ENTER? SURE.
WE CAN EASILY ADD SOME WAY FINDING ON BOTH SIDES, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY YOU OVER, OR WHEN YOU LEAVE THE PROPERTY TO GO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ARRIVE AND YOU LEAVE THE PROPERTY, YOU, YOU CLEARLY CAN SEE THESE.
UM, SO WE FINDING WAY AND ON THE SOUTH AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS WHAT, IS THERE SIGNAGE THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE NOW IN THE, WITH THAT PROPOSED SIDEWALK ON THIS ONE? IS THERE, IS THERE RENDERING OF THAT OR NO? OKAY.
I GUESS I'M HAVING A HARD TIME 'CAUSE THERE AREN'T RENDERINGS OF, OF THESE THINGS.
AND THEY ARE ISSUES THAT I THINK PEOPLE HAVE WHEN THEY'RE ENTERING.
LINDSAY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? CAN I JUST MAKE A REALLY QUICK POINT TO THAT? I GOTTA TELL YOU GUYS, AND I, I, WE HAVE NO VESTED FINANCIAL INTEREST IN DOING THIS OTHER.
IT'S GONNA COST A CLIENT MORE MONEY TO DO THIS THAN TO LEAVE IT AS IS MUCH CHEAPER TO LEAVE IT AS IS.
PUT ANOTHER COAT OF PAINT ON THAT FOUNTAIN, MOVE FORWARD, THE ARRIVAL EXPERIENCE COMING INTO THE PROPERTY WITH THAT FOUNTAIN IN THE CENTER.
THE PALMS, THE VERY INTUITIVE FLOW.
UH, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE GOING ONCE YOU'RE DRIVING INTO THAT SINGLE DRIVE CURRENTLY WITH A DOUBLE DRIVES AND NO CLEAR PATH OF TRAVEL TO THE PROPERTY.
IT'S VERY COUNTERINTUITIVE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND FOR TRAFFIC.
SO, UM, I WANNA ADDRESS THE COUNTER INTUITIVENESS.
IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE, BUT I THINK ANYBODY WOULD SAY IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE TO GO IN AND GO COUNTERCLOCKWISE.
I MEAN, JUST, OR GO CLOCKWISE, RATHER.
I MEAN, IT JUST, IT IS, UNLESS THERE'S A ONE WAY STREET THAT TELLS YOU LIKE, I MEAN MY, MY BUILDING DOWNTOWN, IT'S ON A ONE WAY STREET, SO YOU ENTER ON THE LIKE LEFT SIDE.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT TYPE OF SITUATION, IT'S VERY COUNTERINTUITIVE TO HAVE THE TYPE OF FLOW THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO I THINK REVERSING THE FLOW PERIOD, END OF STORY RESOLVES THAT BECAUSE ANYBODY WHO'S APPROACHING ON THE NORTHBOUND LANES OF COLLINS IS GOING TO SEE THE SIGN ROYAL PALM AND WANT TO TURN THERE.
AND YOU KNOW, THE SIGN THAT YOU HAVE SITTING THERE, AT LEAST IN THE GOOGLE MAPS IMAGE, AND I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE, RIGHT? IT'S JUST A LITTLE BITTY SAYS, DO NOT ENTER, YOU KNOW? UM, SO I THINK REVERSING THE FLOW RESOLVES THE COUNTER INTUITIVENESS.
UM, IT RESOLVES IT AND MAKES IT MORE INTUITIVE.
UH, PROBABLY THE BETTER STATEMENT.
UM, I DO, YOU KNOW, I, I DO GIVE CREDENCE TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE I'VE ALWAYS, I'VE PROBABLY UBERED THERE, SO DIDN'T DO A WHOLE LOT OF WALKING UP THE DRIVEWAY, BUT THAT'S A FAIR POINT.
I, UM, YOU KNOW, I, AND OBVIOUSLY USING THE PUBLIC BEACH ACCESS AND GIVING IN THE ENTRANCE, UM, I WOULD SAY AT THE VERY LEAST, YOU KNOW, MY PREFERRED SOLUTION HERE WOULD BE CLOSER TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
UM, WHICH MAINTAINS THE TWO DRIVEWAYS, MAINTAINS THE PEDESTRIAN, THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE FROM A PASSERBY.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? AS, AS A PASSER, A PASSERBY, YOU SEE THIS FOUNTAIN, YOU SEE THE BIG ENTRANCE, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THE, THE PYLON, YOU SEE THE BIG SIGNAGE, UM, THE ROYAL PALM, YOU LOOK UP AT IT.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT, IT IS A, UH, VERY OUTSPOKEN ENTRANCE, I GUESS.
UM, AND SO FROM A PEDESTRIAN PERSPECTIVE, THAT GOING ONTO THE PROPERTY, UM, WHETHER THAT IS ADDRESSED BY SOME SORT OF SIGNAGE, UM, ON THE PUBLIC BEACH ACCESS THAT SUGGESTS THAT, YOU KNOW, TO ACCESS THE ROYAL PALM BY FOOT, THIS IS THE WAY THAT YOU GO.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF ONE QUESTION.
'CAUSE IF THAT'S ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS, CERTAINLY IF THAT'S POSSIBLE AND THERE'S SIGNAGE THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED THERE, THEN OPENING UP THAT ACCESS ON THE, THE EAST SIDE CLOSEST TO THE BUILDING FROM THE BEACH WALK, UH, OR NOT BEACH WALK, EXCUSE ME.
THE PEDESTRIAN BEACH ACCESS WOULD BE POSSIBLE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU KEEP THE TWO DRIVER'S, ENTRANCES OR A SINGLE ENTRANCE.
I, I WOULD SAY, RIGHT? I'M GETTING SOME HEAD NODS, SO I THINK THAT'S ACCURATE.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I, I'M CURIOUS IF, BECAUSE YOU LOOKED AT THIS AS SETTING THE FOUNTAIN BACK AND CREATING THOSE ISLANDS IN THE CENTER OF THE LANDSCAPING, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF AT ANY POINT IT WAS CONSIDERED, OKAY, LEAVE THE FOUNTAIN WHERE IT IS, LEAVE THE PYLON WHERE IT IS, MAINTAIN THE EXISTING TWO DRIVEWAYS, BUT INCORPORATE SOME TURNAROUND.
SO, YOU KNOW, JUST THE LANDSCAPING APPROPRIATELY ON PROPERTY TO, TO, UM, TO CREATE THE VALET, THE CIRCULATION THAT WE NEED.
UM, THE COUNTERCLOCKWISE AND THEN THE TURNAROUNDS.
UM, BUT ANY SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALK OR WALKWAY OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD
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ENCOURAGE YOUR PEDESTRIANS, NOT ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING TO VISIT THAT ARE PASSENGERS BY WHO WANT TO GO INTO THE HOTEL, BUT ALSO YOUR GUESTS WHO HAVE LEFT, UM, THE HOTEL AND GONE OUT INTO MIAMI BEACH FOR THE DAY AND WANT TO RETURN BACK, UM, WHAT THEIR PATHWAY IS.AND I DON'T KNOW IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT CENTER LANDSCAPE WHERE THERE'S A GRAND WALKWAY ENTRANCE THERE, RIGHT? SO COME AROUND THE FOUNTAIN ON FOOT AND THEN APPROACH INTO THE, THE BUILDING.
I I'M NOT A LANDSCAPED ARCHITECT, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THIS, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO BRING THEM IN.
AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE, THE SIDE ACCESS IS BETTER FROM A PEDESTRIAN INTERACTION WITH CARS PERSPECTIVE.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I FEEL LIKE ARE MISSING TODAY.
UM, TAKE THAT ONE STEP FURTHER.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SLS HOTEL, THEY HAVE A DOUBLE WIDE ENTRY.
CARS COMING IN, CARS COMING OUT AS A PEDESTRIAN.
YOU TAKE YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HANDS, WALKING WITH SOMEBODY TRYING TO PULL IN, SOMEBODY TRYING TO PULL OUT.
AND YOU'VE GOT A VERY LONG WALKWAY.
AND ALSO IT'S NEXT TO A CORNER.
UH, IF THERE WAS A SEPARATION THERE, AT LEAST YOU AS A PEDESTRIAN WOULD HAVE A PLACE TO STOP IN BETWEEN SOMEBODY PULLING IN, SOMEBODY PULLING OUT.
UM, I I, I REALLY AGREE WITH LINDSAY THAT, UM, IF YOU JUST CHANGE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR COUNTERCLOCKWISE CLOCKWISE AND REDO WHAT YOU DO INSIDE AND KEEP THE NICE FOUNTAIN OUT THERE THAT A PEDESTRIAN WALKS BY AND SAYS HOW NICE, UH, I, I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO.
I'LL JUST FINISH UP THE, UH, BOARD COMMENT HERE.
UH, I, I THINK THIS IS, THIS HOTEL, THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING INSIDE IS INCREDIBLE.
UM, THE WAY YOU'RE OPENING THIS UP, I'VE DONE, I'VE TAKEN THAT LONG STROLL FROM FRONT TO BACK AND WONDERED WHEN IT WAS GONNA, WHEN I WAS GONNA SEE THE OUTSIDE.
AND THEN I THINK YOU'VE DISCOVERED KIND OF HOW TO, HOW TO BRING THAT ALL TOGETHER IN SUCH A, SUCH A BEAUTIFUL WAY.
AND SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING GREAT THINGS FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR GUESTS.
AND I WILL CERTAINLY WANNA STAYCATION THERE AT SOME POINT.
BUT I, I ALSO THINK THAT THE, THAT THIS HOTEL HAS A HUGE, IN ITS EXISTING CONFIGURATION OF THE, OF THE DRIVEWAY HAS, GIVES SOMETHING TO BACK TO COLLINS AVENUE THAT IT OTHERWISE DOESN'T HAVE IN ALMOST ANYWHERE ELSE, WHICH IS THE, UM, WHICH IS THE FOUNTAIN.
AND SO I WAS GOING BACK TO THE ORDER AND LOOKING AT C ONE A, UH, WHERE THE STAFF HAS WRITTEN ABOUT, WRITTEN IN THE ORDER ABOUT THE U-SHAPED DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION SHALL BE MAINTAINED, WHICH I AGREE WITH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MODIFICATIONS TO THE LANDSCAPE CENTRAL AREA TO ALLOW CARS TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE GARAGE ENTRANCE, WHICH I AGREE WITH, WHICH WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MAKING THAT THE VALET TURN, THE GARAGE TURN.
AND, BUT THEY DIDN'T SAY THAT.
UH, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD ADD, IF WE'RE GOING TO THINK ABOUT THIS, UM, TO REVERSE THE DIRECTION OF THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH WASN'T INCLUDED IN THAT.
AND ALSO TO ADD, UM, A CLARIFICATION OF THE WALK WALKABLE ENTRANCE, WHICH IS ALSO NOT IN THE ORDER.
AND I THINK ONE THING THAT WE SHOULD DO DEFINITELY IS WHAT YOU GUYS SO SMARTLY DID, WHICH WAS TO OPEN THE BEACH ACCESS TO, ON THAT SIDE TO ALLOW PEDESTRIANS TO COME IN THROUGH THAT, UM, THROUGH THE BEACH ACCESS THAT YOU PROVIDED.
THERE MIGHT ALSO BE OTHER OPTIONS THAT I, I AM NOT SURE WHETHER DEBBIE WOULD BE, AND HER TEAM WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THIS ADMINISTRATIVELY LOOK AT ADMINISTRATIVELY OTHER OPTIONS FOR, UM, PEDESTRIAN, PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCES IN THAT, IN THAT LANDSCAPE.
UM, IF THAT WERE THE, UH, THE POSSIBILITY.
SO MY, YEAH, SO I'M I, MR. CHAIR, I, AND, UM, I AM THINKING THAT THAT'S, UH, THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE SHOULD PROBABLY, UM, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LAND ON THIS, UH, IF I WERE GOING TO BE, UH, PUTTING A MOTION TOGETHER.
BUT I AM, MAY, MAY I SIMPLIFY THAT.
WE'VE CLOSED THE, WE'VE CLOSED THE COMMENT.
I THINK I CAN SIMPLIFY THE DISCUSSION THOUGH.
WE'RE OKAY WITH THE STAFF CONDITION.
SUBJECT TO WORKING WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH A RECIRCULATION INTERIOR INSIDE, BUT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED THE CITY SUPPORT.
WE WILL HAVE TO GO GET A DOT VARIANCE TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
AND WE ABSOLUTELY NEED THE CITY TO JOIN US IN THAT PROCESS TO ASK FOR THAT RE THE RE RECONFIGURATION THAT, THAT VARIANCE, BECAUSE DOT CAN DENY IT.
WE COULD BE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU GIVE US AN APPROVAL THAT WE CANNOT IMPLEMENT, AND THAT IS A PROBLEM TO US.
I WOULD ALSO NOTE IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE
WELL, THAT'S WHY IT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY.
IF THERE WAS SPACE TO DO IT, WE WOULD DO IT.
I MEAN, BUT IT'S JUST NOT THERE PHYSICALLY.
UM, WE WILL WITH, WE ABSOLUTELY WILL OPEN THAT TO THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ANYWAY.
WE ACCEPT WITH THAT LIMIT, WITH THAT ADDITION, WE WOULD ACCEPT THE CONDITION, STAFF CONDITION AND APPRECIATE YOUR APPROVAL.
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AND, AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP WITH CARTER, UM, I CAN CERTAINLY DRAFT A LETTER OF SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, UM, FOR ANY FDOT VARIANCE FOR THE DRIVEWAY.I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT TO ALSO TO A LOOK AT IT TO SEE IF THEY OBJECT.
I THINK THEY INITIALLY LOOKED AT IT WHEN WE HAD OUR, WHEN, WHEN WE HAD OUR EARLIER MEETINGS.
UM, SO I CANNOT SPEAK ON BEHALF OF OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THE BOARD'S COMMENTS SO FAR ARE VERY CLEAR THAT YES, WE COULD PROVIDE YOU WITH A LETTER OF SUPPORT AND IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE TRANSPORTATION SUPPORT TOO, IF THE CITY WOULD DO THAT.
AND, AND I CAN HELP FACILITATE A MEETING WITH, WITH TRANSPORTATION ONCE THAT IF, IF WE'RE GOING IN THAT DIRECTION, ONCE THAT APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED.
SO, UM, CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS? I I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND IS THAT WITH THE ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION IN C ONE A THAT THE DIRECTIONAL VEHICULAR TRAFFIC FLOW MAY BE REVERSED? OH, YEAH.
TO A COUNTERCLOCKWISE DIRECTION.
YOU MEAN TWO O' CLOCKWISE, COUNTERCLOCKWISE, COUNTERCLOCKWISE, COUNTERCLOCKWISE WOULD BE, YES.
AND I HAD ANOTHER, I HEARD SOME OTHER COMMENTS.
RAY, I AM NOT SURE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE ANY ENHANCEMENT OF PEDESTRIAN, UM, A PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE TO, FOR THE APPLICANT TO EXPLORE IT WITH STAFF, UM, ENHANCEMENTS? NO, I, I THINK THEY MADE IT CLEAR ENOUGH.
WE'LL WORK WITH YOU IN THE REDESIGN OF THE, OF THIS IN CENTRAL LANDSCAPE.
IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT, WE'LL DO IT.
COULD I MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THAT RAY? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM OPEN UP SOME SORT OF ACCESS FROM THE BEACH WALK.
IT'S, BUT IT'S IN THE PLANS WHERE THEY RECONFIGURE THE DRIVEWAY.
SO THAT'S WHY I, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT'S, WOULD YOU CONSIDER ADDING THAT THE BOARD STRONGLY SUPPORTS THE DOT VARIANCE IN ORDER TO ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN? PLEASE? I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I, I THINK WHAT WE COULD SAY IS THAT STAFF WOULD COOPERATE WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, IN, IN ITS REQUEST TO FO FOR, IS IT IS, CARTER, YOU'VE BEEN SAYING VARIANCE, BUT IT'S, THAT'S THE TERM THAT THE APPLICATION IS FOR A VARIANCE, VARIANCE FROM THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE
I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH, WITH THE BOARD'S APPROVAL TODAY.
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK, DEBBIE? YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A BIT STRANGE TO HAVE AS A CONDITION OF THE ORDER.
UM, BUT I MEAN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM SAYING ON BEHALF OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
STAFF WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, TO SUPPORT, SUPPORT THEIR APPLICATION, THEIR APPLICATION VARIANCE REQUEST FOR THE VARIANCE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
BUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE MOTION.
CORRECT? IT COULD BE A SEPARATE MOTION.
NICK, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT IN THE ORDER? I'M OKAY WITH IT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ORDER.
UM, I ALSO THINK THAT IF THE F IF FDOT DENIES THE REQUEST, I THINK THAT APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD.
I ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE BEACH WALK ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY WOULD BE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT SINCE I MADE FRIENDLY A, OR WAIT, I GUESS I MADE FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS.
IS IT NOW MY MOTION OR DO I SECOND RAISE YOU SECOND.
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OKAY, THE NEXT APPLICATION ON THE AGENDA IS HPB 24 0 6 2 5.[02:20:03]
UH, THIS IS 9 47 LINCOLN ROAD.AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, INCLUDING FACADE MODIFICATIONS.
UM, I THINK, UH, ALL OF YOU WILL REMEMBER THIS, UM, PARTICULAR PROJECT DID COME BEFORE YOU AT OUR MAY MEETING OF THIS YEAR, UH, FOR A PRELIMINARY EVALUATION, UM, FROM THIS BOARD.
UH, THE, THE FOCUS OF THAT PRELIMINARY EVALUATION WAS WITH REGARD TO THE INTRODUCTION OF A KIND OF A SLOTTED WOOD FACADE TREATMENT WITHIN THE WINDOWS THAT WOULD BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED OPERATIONAL PLAN OF WHAT WE HOPEFULLY ARE GOING TO HAVE AS A, AS A NEW, UM, SUCCESSFUL RESTAURANT ON LINCOLN ROAD.
UM, DURING THAT CONVERSATION, THE BOARD WAS GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSAL AND, UH, DIDN'T HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT COMMENTS THAT STAFF HAD NOTED OTHER THAN, UH, ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, DETAILS OF HOW THAT WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED WOULD NEED TO BE SUBMITTED FOR THE REVIEW OF THIS BOARD.
THAT PRELIMINARY EVALUATION WAS WELL RECEIVED.
HOWEVER, THERE WAS NO, THERE WAS NOT A BINDING APPROVAL OR DECISION MADE AT THAT, AT THAT MEETING.
THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY BEFORE YOU AS A FULL APPLICATION TO RECEIVE, UM, A BINDING DECISION BY THIS BOARD.
UM, MOST OF YOU ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THE BUILDING.
UH, IT IS, IS VERY OLD STRUCTURE.
IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1925 ORIGINALLY.
IT'S A ONE AND TWO STORY, UM, STRUCTURE.
UH, THE TWO STORY PORTION IS ALONG THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND INVISIBLE FROM MICHIGAN AVENUE.
UM, IN 1938, THERE WERE SOME SIGNIFICANT MODERNIZATION, UM, OF THE FACADES THAT WAS DESIGNED BY EL MURRAY DIXON.
SO THIS BUILDING IS VERY INTERESTING.
IT HAS MULTIPLE, UM, SIGNIFICANT LAYERS OF ARCHITECTURE THAT, THAT EXIST TODAY.
UM, THERE WERE SOME ALSO AFTER DIXON'S MODIFICATIONS THAT WERE MULTIPLE TENANTS THAT WERE IN AND OUT OF THIS BUILDING.
AND ADDITIONAL SMALL MODIFICATIONS TO THE STOREFRONTS HAVE BEEN MADE OVER TIME.
UM, STAFF WOULD NOTE THAT THIS BUILDING, UM, HAS RECEIVED IN THE PAST A FEW DIFFERENT APPROVALS FROM THIS BOARD.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY, AND THIS, THIS GOES BACK 10 YEARS, UM, FOR THE RENOVATION OF THIS BUILDING, NONE OF THOSE PROJECTS, UH, WERE PERMITTED OR CAME INTO REALITY.
SO THE BUILDING HAS REMAINED VACANT FOR OVER FIVE YEARS.
UM, NOTWITHSTANDING THOSE PREVIOUSLY APPROVALS.
UM, WHEN STAFF ORIGINALLY MET WITH THE PROPOSED, UM, TEAM FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, WE WERE VERY EXCITED AND, UM, SOMEWHAT RELIEVED THAT THIS BUILDING IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE TURNED INTO ACTIVE USE.
UM, THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN, UM, HAS HAD SOME MINOR REPAIRS DONE TO IT OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I WALKED BY IT ALL THE TIME.
AND SEVERAL YEARS AGO THERE WAS SOME MAJOR CONCERN WITH PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING ACTUALLY CRUMBLING AND FALLING INTO THE SIDEWALK, WHICH IS WHY THERE WAS A, A FENCE BUILT INTO THE SIDEWALK, UH, TO PROTECT PASSERBY.
UM, I THINK ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS IS, AND WE HAD NOTED THIS IN THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVALS ON THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, ORIGINALLY THIS STRUCTURE HAD THE PCU CYPRESS CEILING, WHICH IS A VERY INDICATIVE, UM, HISTORICALLY CHARACTERISTIC MATERIAL THAT YOU SEE IN BUILDINGS FROM THE 1920S.
AND STAFF DID FIND IT APPROPRIATE THAT THE FACADE TREATMENT THAT IS NEW IS PROPOSED TO KIND OF REFLECT THAT.
SO I THINK THAT WAS A VERY CREATIVE, UM, CONCEPT THAT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE.
UH, WE'RE ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSAL TO, WHILE PRIVACY IS IMPORTANT TO THE OPERATIONAL PLAN, WE WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE TO HAVE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING THAT, THAT IS VISIBLE FROM LINCOLN ROAD ACTUALLY TURNED INTO A DISPLAY KITCHEN.
THERE'S ACTUALLY, UM, WE NOTED IN THE, IN THE PLANS, THERE'S A TABLE ALSO IN THERE, UM, FOR I GUESS VERY SPECIAL GUESTS WOULD BE ABLE TO SIT THERE.
UM, AND WE ARE JUST REALLY EXCITED THAT, THAT THIS BUILDING'S GOING TO GET THE MUCH NEEDED REPAIRS, IT'S GONNA GET NEW WINDOWS.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE MORE ACTIVITY RETURN TO LINCOLN ROAD.
UH, IN THE PAST WE'VE SEEN A, A FEW RESTAURANTS, VERY SUCCESSFUL RESTAURANTS POPULATE LINCOLN ROAD, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE HAVE BEEN AT THE UPPER LEVELS.
UM, SO WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL BE BENEFICIAL NOT ONLY TO THE EXISTING
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STRUCTURE, UM, GETTING MUCH NEEDED REPAIRS AND, AND REINFORCEMENT, BUT ALSO TO LINCOLN ROAD AS A WHOLE.SO, UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
WE ALSO HAVE NOTED THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE ATTACHMENTS COULD BE EASILY REMOVED IN THE FUTURE, SHOULD A A A DIFFERENT PROJECT BE PROPOSED.
ARE THERE, THANK YOU, DEBBIE, ARE THERE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR DEBBIE ABOUT THE, UM, ABOUT THE PRESENTATION? DEBBIE? I HAD A, I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
LINDSAY, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? GO AHEAD.
UM, ONE WAS, YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE, UM, THAT THE STUCCO REVEAL THAT YOU'D LIKE ON THE DEMARCATING ON, ON THE MICHIGAN AVENUE SIDE, THE STAIR UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
DID I PRESUME THERE'LL BE A DOOR THERE? NO, THERE'S, YEAH, THERE'S A DOOR INDICATED THERE.
BUT YOU MEAN THE ARCH OVER THE TOP OF THE DOOR? YEAH.
SO THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT, THAT WE DID DETERMINE THAT THAT WAS AN ORIGINAL DOOR OPENING.
UM, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS YESTERDAY, IF NOT EARLY THIS MORNING, THE APPLICANT DID, UH, RESPOND TO MY COMMENT DIRECTLY TO ME, UM, AND DID SHOW ME WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
MORE INTO THAT, BUT I, I BELIEVE IT DID SATISFY OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATION.
AND I HAVE ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER QUESTION.
UH, YOU HAD MENTIONED THE, UM, YOU'D MENTIONED THE, THE EQUIPMENT INSIDE, LIKE A SHELF INSIDE THAT YOU THOUGHT WOULD GET, WOULD BECOME CLUTTERED.
HAVE, HAS THERE BEEN ANY, HAVE HAVE YOU HAD ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT OR WHAT YOU WE, I HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT? UM, I THINK WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS JUST THE, THE REORIENTATION SO THAT THE NARROW SIDE IS FRONTING THE, THE SIDEWALK AREA, AND SO IT DOESN'T BROADSIDE THAT WINDOW GET POPULATED WITH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER RESTAURANT SUPPLIES THEY HAVE AND COMPLETELY BLOCK OUT THAT VIEW.
LINDSAY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR STAFF? YEAH, SO I WANTED TO, IF, IF STAFF CAN DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT, AS I RECALL, WHEN THEY CAME FOR A PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATION, WHEN THEY WERE FORCED IN MAY, UM, WAS IT THAT THE PKY CYPRESS WAS GONNA BE BEHIND THE GLASS, LIKE THE, THE GLAZING ITSELF? THAT'S THE WHAT I UNDERSTOOD.
AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS KIND OF HOW THAT EVOLVED AND HOW WE GOT HERE, IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT TO THE EXTENT, YOU KNOW.
YEAH, AND I, I, I THINK WHEN STAFF HAD ORIGINALLY, WE WENT OUT TO THE SITE AND TALKED, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE APPLIED TO THE EXTERIOR.
I BELIEVE THE PRELIMINARY EVALUATIONS INDICATED THAT IT, IT APPEARED AT LEAST IN THE PLANS THEY SUBMITTED FOR THAT, UH, EVALUATION, THAT THE CYPRUS WAS GOING TO BE INSTALLED ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO I THINK YOUR RECOLLECTION IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, REVIEWING BOTH OF THEM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH THE DETAILS THEY'VE SHOWN, INCLUDING THE SECTION OF, OF PLACING IT ON THE EXTERIOR.
UM, I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH EITHER OF THOSE OPTIONS.
I THINK THE IMPORTANT POINT TO NOTE IS THAT WE WILL BE GETTING NEW WINDOWS, UM, THEY WILL BE MORE RESILIENT HURRICANE IMPACT WINDOWS.
ARE THERE ACTUALLY WINDOWS BEHIND THIS PKI CYPRESS NOW? OKAY, THANKS.
I, I, I THINK I MISSED THAT IN THE PROCESS, SO I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THERE ARE WINDOWS GOING TO INSTALLED AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, CLOSING.
NO, I CAN SEE IT, YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE SECTION THERE IN THE THING.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT? ALRIGHT.
YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE SIGNALING TO ME TO BEGIN AND SO I, I WAS TRYING.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS PAUL SAVAGE WITH LAW OFFICES AT 200 SOUTH BISCAY BOULEVARD, MIAMI, FLORIDA.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT THIS MORNING ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON THIS MORNING'S AGENDA.
UH, BEFORE I GET INTO OUR PRESENTATION, WHICH WE HAVE LOADED UP, I WANT TO BE SURE AND RECOGNIZE AND, UH, EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO THE BOARD.
UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, AS DEBBIE SAID, WE WERE HERE IN MAY ON A NON-BINDING PRELIMINARY EVALUATION.
UH, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY TO BE SURE AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY WITH THIS BOARD BEING THE MOST IMPORTANT BODY UNDERSTANDS WHO WE ARE, UH, WHAT WE PROPOSE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THIS SITE.
UH, SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO OUR WHOLE CORPORATE BACKGROUND, ET CETERA, AS WE DID LAST TIME.
WE DEMONSTRATED THAT WE HAVE MULTIPLE LOCATIONS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND INTERNATIONALLY, UH, UH, SO THAT, UH, I'M GONNA GET RIGHT INTO THE DESIGN.
BEFORE I DO THAT, HOWEVER, I DO WANT TO ALSO RECOGNIZE OUR TEAM MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE TODAY.
UH, ADAM CORRAL IS HERE TO MY RIGHT.
HE'S A VICE PRESIDENT OF THE H WOOD
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GROUP, WHICH WILL BE OPERATING THE NICE GUY RESTAURANT, PROPOSED FOR THIS LOCATION.UH, HE WAS ABLE TO GET A FLIGHT OUT FROM LA AND DODGE THE HURRICANE AND COME OUT HERE WITH US.
UH, HE'S, HE'S JOINED TODAY, UH, BY JOHN SOFI, WHO IS THEIR, UH, PRINCIPAL, ARCHITECT AND DESIGNER, UH, NATIONALLY AND INTERNATIONALLY ON ALL THEIR, UH, SITES, UM, WHO HAD A GREAT DEAL OF INPUT ON THIS DESIGN.
AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE JOSE GOMEZ, UH, RIGHT BEHIND ME, WHO IS OUR ARCHITECT OF RECORD, AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH HIS EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT WORK.
SO, WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH, UH, SOME OF THE CHANGES AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED AS BETWEEN OUR PRELIMINARY EVALUATION IN MAR AND MAY, SORRY.
AND TODAY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE, UH, WHERE THE LOCATION IS, OF COURSE, UH, THERE ON LINCOLN ROAD, UH, THE LONG FRONTAGE ON MICHIGAN, THIS IS, UH, TWO BLOCKS TO THE, UH, EAST OF ALTON ROAD THERE, FRONTING LINCOLN.
UH, AS DEBBIE MENTIONED, THERE'S A 19 25, 19 24, 25 ORIGINAL, UH, CONSTRUCTION HERE.
THERE IS A SLIDE OF A 19 34 35 MODERN TREATMENT THAT CAME IN WITH A 45 DEGREE ANGLED DOOR AFTER THIS ORIGINAL 90 DEGREE ANGLE CONFIGURATION SHOWN HERE.
UH, THE, UH, EXISTING CONDITION, UH, HAS MUCH TO BE DESIRED, TO PUT IT POLITELY.
IT'S BEEN THERE IN EXCESS OF FIVE YEARS AS THE STAFF REPORT REFLECTS, IT'S ESSENTIALLY BOARDED UP AND IS IN A, UM, NOT, NOT ACTIVATING LINCOLN ROAD IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AS IT SHOULD, UH, TO PUT IT MILDLY.
WE'RE WITHIN THE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORICAL DISTRICT, HISTORIC DISTRICT, RATHER, OF COURSE, ALONG, UH, LINCOLN ROAD.
WE ARE EXCITED, AS DEBBIE MENTIONED, TO BRING A NEW, THE NICE GUY LOCATION HERE WITH A FULL REFURBISHMENT OF THIS BUILDING.
UH, AS, AS A DISTINCTION OF SOME OF THE OTHER APPLICATIONS I SAW TODAY, WE ARE MAINTAINING THE, THE BUILDING ENVELOPE.
WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, GOING UP ADDITIONAL STORIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UH, DEBBIE AND HER STAFF WERE CLOSELY MONITORED AND INSISTED UPON OUR SHOW KITCHEN AND, UH, DOWN TO THE GRANULAR LEVEL OF WHAT EQUIPMENT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE THERE.
WE HAVE AN IMPORTED ITALIAN PIZZA OVEN.
WE HAVE IMPORTED ITALIAN MIX MIXERS AND OTHER EQUIPMENT.
UH, THIS IS GONNA BE A GREAT, GREAT ADDITION.
AND SO, UH, WE HAVE COMMITTED TO THAT.
WE'VE REASSURED DEBBIE AND HER STAFF THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING IN THOSE THINGS, UH, TO ACTIVATE AND GIVE A VISUAL POINT OF INTEREST TO THE PASSERSBY ALONG LINCOLN, UH, WE WILL HAVE VALET AND LOADING OPERATIONS ALONG, UH, MICHIGAN AVENUE.
AGAIN, UH, ADAM, I, I INTRODUCED OUR TEAM.
UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS.
AGAIN, I WON'T, WE, WE TRUNCATED THIS FROM OUR PRIOR PRESENTATION, BUT WE, WE, I DID WANNA REEMPHASIZE.
WE'VE GOT BEAUTIFUL SUMPTUOUS LOCATIONS ALL OVER THE WORLD.
UH, THIS IS THE DELILAH IN MIAMI ON BRICKELL.
UH, WE'VE GOT, THERE'S ONE IN VEGAS, UH, LOS ANGELES.
UM, THE NICE GUY ITSELF IS SORT OF A, UH, MID-CENTURY MODERN MADMAN OR RAT PACK, IF YOU WILL.
ONE OF THE YOUNGER LAWYERS IN MY OFFICE SAID, WHAT'S THE RAT PACK? AND SO, UH, WE HAD TO GIVE A LITTLE HISTORY LESSON ON THAT.
BUT, UM, I THINK WE DO HAVE A PIECE OF THE WOOD THAT IS THE, UH, WE'VE DISCUSSED THE CYPRUS, WHICH WE'RE GONNA HONOR FOR THE EXTERIOR.
UH, THE INTERIOR, UH, IS A CEDAR, ACTUALLY.
UM, IF YOU COULD JUST HOLD THAT UP, UH, JUST SO THAT YOU CAN GET A VISUAL HERE.
BUT THAT'S A, ACTUALLY A CEDARWOOD THAT'S CRITICAL TO THE DESIGN THERE IN, UH, IN THE ONE IN LOS ANGELES.
UM, THERE'S THE BAR HERE, UM, NOW INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF OUR, UM, OF OUR CHANGES AND ELEVATIONS.
UM, AGAIN, I, UH, WE, WE HAVE OUR, UH, UH, WE HAVE OUR ARCHITECT HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.
UH, BUT JUST TO BRIEFLY GO OVER THIS, THE, UH, TOP ELEVATION ALONG MICHIGAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAD, UH, INDIVIDUALIZED STOREFRONTS THERE WITH EACH ONE OF THEM HAD ITS ASSIGNED DOOR THAT WENT TO THE GROUND, OF COURSE, TO HAVE A DOOR.
UM, WE FELT LIKE SINCE WE'RE GONNA BE ONE SINGULAR, UH, TENANT, AND ONE RESTAURANT, AND ONE OPERATOR, UH, THAT REALLY BROKE UP THE VISUAL.
UM, AND SO YOU'LL SEE THE BOTTOM ELEVATION THERE WITH, UH, WE'VE TAKEN OUT ALL THOSE DOORS.
PUT A NICE CONSISTENT KNEE WALL THAT COMES ALONG THE BOTTOM, UH, AND GIVES REALLY A NICE PLEASING AESTHETIC ALONG THERE.
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TWO OF THE DOORS THAT WE NEED.THE ONE TO, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE, WHICH IS THE MOST NORTHERN END ON MICHIGAN, UH, WILL BE OUR HOST STATION.
THAT'S WHERE THE PUBLIC WILL COME IN AND OUT.
AND THEN THE DOOR IN THE MIDDLE WILL BE A BACK OF THE HOUSE, UM, ENTRANCE OR SERVICE ENTRANCE THAT OUR EMPLOYEES WILL BE ABLE TO USE.
UH, THIS IS AN EXISTING CONDITION, UH, LOOKING, UH, TO THE SOUTH.
UH, LOOKING ALONG MICHIGAN, YOU CAN SEE THE DEPLORABLE, UH, WHAT'S LEFT THERE OF THE FACADE AND, AND OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS ESSENTIALLY BOARDED UP HERE.
UM, AND THEN THIS RENDERING AND DRAMATIC CONTRAST SHOWS A NICE, CLEAN APPROACH.
UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THE THINKING BEHIND THESE SCONCES AND HOW THIS CAME TO THE EXTERIOR, ET CETERA, WE WENT AHEAD WITH THE CYPRUS, UH, COVERING, UH, FOR THE DOORS AND THE, UH, WINDOWS.
AND REALLY IN CELEBRATION OF THESE BROWSE OF, UH, OR THE, THE TOP, UH, CURVATURE OF EACH OF THE WINDOWS, WE BROUGHT IN THESE SCONCES, WHICH WILL, WITHOUT BREAKING OR PUNCTURING ANY OF THE, UH, OF THE EXISTING, UM, ELEVATION THERE OR THE EXISTING WALL.
SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'VE, WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY HAVE THOSE INSTALLED, AND THEN THEY'LL THROW LIGHT UP IN CELEBRATION OF, OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS, AND KEEPING KEEPING THAT SHAPE GOING DOWN THE STREET, I THINK, IN A REALLY NICE WAY.
AND IT'S GONNA MATCH OUR SIGNAGE AND OUR DECOR.
UH, THERE, THIS IS A, UH, DEBBIE MENTIONED THE, UH, THE, UH, THE DETAIL HERE.
UM, WHERE, AND, AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS, THIS IS REMOVABLE AS NOTED IN THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS.
IT IS REMOVABLE WHEN, WHEN, AND IF THAT TIME COMES, UH, WE DO HAVE A, UH, WE DO HAVE ALSO AN EXAMPLE OF THE, OF THE WOOD LATTICE SYSTEM, UM, THAT'S HERE.
UH, NOW THIS IS NOT, THIS IS CYPRUS.
UM, SO IT'S A LITTLE LIGHTER, UH, BUT IT'S A MOCK-UP THAT WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU.
AND IT WILL HAVE THESE, UM, VARIOUS, UH, DEPTHS OF EACH OF THE LATTICE PIECES.
UH, SO WE HAVE THAT HERE, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO LOOK AT IT.
NOW, FOR THE SITE PLAN ITSELF, I DID WANNA SAY THAT WHAT, BECAUSE OF, UM, OUR COLLECTIVE WORK WITH DEBBIE AND HER STAFF, WE HAVE THE SHOW KITCHEN UP FRONT, WHICH IS BEAUTIFUL AND ACTIVATES LINCOLN ROAD, BUT IT KIND OF FLIPPED THE WHOLE TRADITIONAL DESIGN WHERE YOU'D HAVE THE RESTAURANT UP FRONT AND THE KITCHEN IN THE BACK.
WE HAVE A KITCHEN IN THE FRONT.
SO OUR, THE, WHAT YOU SEE IN GRAY IS THE KITCHEN AREA AND THE QUOTE BACK OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS NOW IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
IN THIS UNUSUAL DESIGN, UH, THE, THE GLASS WILL REMAIN ON LINCOLN, AND IMPORTANTLY ON MICHIGAN ON THAT CORNER.
UH, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ENTRY, LIKE I SAID, THE HOST STATION IS BACK TOWARDS, UH, THE MICHIGAN SIDE.
UH, BUT WE WILL MAINTAIN THOSE WINDOWS.
THOSE WILL HAVE AWNINGS, UH, WITH, WITH, UH, SIGNAGE, AND THEY'LL ALL BE MATCHING.
UH, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE, UH, UH, RENDERING RATHER OF THE SHOW KITCHEN.
AGAIN, UM, DEBBIE WAS QUITE INSISTENT THIS HAD TO BE A VERY, UH, REFINED SPACE.
UH, WE DON'T WANT, UM, YOU KNOW, A BOTTLE OF DAWN DISH WASHING DETERGENT OUT HERE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS GONNA BE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, DESSERT FINISHING PASTA, HOMEMADE PASTA MAKING, BREAD MAKING, AND PIZZA BAKING, WHICH I'M, UH, I THINK, I DUNNO ABOUT YOU GUYS, BUT I'M, I'M GETTING HUNGRY WATCHING THIS IN ADVANCE OF THE DELIVERY OF YOUR LUNCH.
BUT, UM, UH, MORE SERIOUSLY, THIS, UH, THIS WILL BE QUITE CURATED AND READY FOR PRIMETIME VIEWING, AS WOULD ANY, UM, EVEN IF THIS WAS A RETAIL SHOW, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A RETAIL SPACE AND WOULD HAVE A, UH, A WINDOW SHOWING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, UH, DEBBIE DID, UH, AND OF COURSE WE WOULD WANT TO ANYWAY, RE REQUIRE A, IF I COULD HAVE THROUGH THE CHAIR JUST A FEW MINUTES.
I'M COMING AROUND THE HORN, I PROMISE, UH, JOHN.
AND SO, UH, DEBBIE WAS, UM, INSISTENT, OR WE WOULD DO ANYWAY, ALSO, UH, HAVE A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING REPORT.
UH, THE, UH, STRUCTURAL, THE BUILDING IS NOT IN GOOD SHAPE IN, IN ANY CATEGORY, INCLUDING STRUCTURAL.
SO THE ENGINEER IS, UH, RECOMMENDING AND WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO COME IN WITH A STEEL BEAM SYSTEM TO ENSURE THE RIGIDITY AND STRENGTH OF THE, UH, OF THE STRUCTURE TO MAINTAIN IT.
UM, WE WILL PRESERVE THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
WE WILL USE THE CYPRESS AND THE CEDAR AS DISCUSSED.
UM, UH, WE HAVE, UH, BROAD SUPPORT OF ALL THE OTHER, UH, BUSINESS MEMBERS.
WE HAVE THE, UH, UH, BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT WILL BE HERE TODAY TESTIFYING ON OUR BEHALF.
THEY PUT A LETTER, UH, OF SUPPORT INTO THE RECORD.
UH, WE DO HAVE THE, UH, UH, A SUCCESSFUL OPERATOR.
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WE'RE EXCITED TO GET THIS, UH, IMPLEMENTED.UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS HIGHLY SUPPORTIVE.
UH, I DO WANT TO, UH, GO AHEAD AND HAND OUT.
UM, WE CAME UP AT SORT OF THE 11TH HOUR WITH SOME, UH, RENDERINGS TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF CONCERNS.
UM, ONE OF THEM IS THE EXISTING, UH, THE EXISTING, UH, DOOR THAT'S ALONG MICHIGAN.
WE WILL CELEBRATE THAT DOOR WITH A STUCCO REVEAL IN THE MANNER THAT DEBBIE'S STAFF RECOMMENDATION REQUESTED.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE THAT, UH, THERE, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR SIGNAGE THERE AND, AND, AND KEEP THAT CURVE.
UH, DAN ERALDO WILL BE COMING FORWARD TO TESTIFY ON BEHALF OF HIS COMMITTEE, WHO WE MET WITH AND PRESENTED, AND THEY HAD A CONCERN ABOUT THE CORNER DOOR BEING CON DISCONTINUED.
UH, OUR POSITION ON THAT IS THAT WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN.
WE BELIEVE THAT WE'VE MORE THAN ADEQUATELY MITIGATED THIS PROBLEM WITH THE SHOW KITCHEN, WHICH DOES REALLY ACTIVATE LINCOLN ROAD, ALL OF THE REGULATION ON US FOR THAT.
UM, TOGETHER WITH SORT OF AN HOMAGE, WE ARE GONNA PUT IN SOME, UH, A MOLDING AND A FRAMING WITH OUR SIGNAGE AS NOT TO JUST LEAVE A WALL.
SO THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, UH, SOMEWHAT GRAND THERE AS YOU GO AROUND THE CORNER.
UM, WITH, WITH THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE OUR, UH, PRESENTATION.
AGAIN, WE HAVE ALL OF OUR DESIGN PROFESSIONALS HERE.
UM, I THINK, UH, I DO HAVE, I, I NOTICED THIS GUY BEHIND MY LEFT, MICHAEL LARKIN, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF HIM.
HE'S AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY LEGAL QUESTIONS.
UH, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE PRINCIPALLY EXCITED.
UH, WE HAVE OUR, OUR PHYSICAL, UH, PHYSICAL EXAMPLES THAT YOU CAN TOUCH.
SO WITH THAT, WE WILL CONCLUDE AND WE WILL RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A FAVORABLE ACTION ON A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FROM THIS BOARD.
UM, SO NOW WE GO TO BOARD QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.
UM, ANY, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, OKAY, LAURA, AND THEN I'LL GO DOWN THIS, THIS ROAD.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS WHEN YOU, YOU JUST SEND US THIS NICE LITTLE THING AND IT SAYS A NICE GUY RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER.
THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE DOOR IS.
WE GONNA MAY HAVE A LITTLE ARROW OR SOMETHING TO TELL 'EM THAT YOUR MAIN ENTRANCE IS WAY DOWN THE STREET.
UH, MY, MY OP, MY, MY APPLICANT, MY CLIENT, MY CLIENT IS, UH, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT HE'S, UH, RIGOROUSLY SHAKING HIS HEAD IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY WE WANT THAT TO BE, YOU KNOW, HE SAYS YES.
I MEAN, MY, MY, I'M NOT IN CHARGE, BUT MY 2 CENTS WOULD BE, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY HAPPY TO DO IT IN, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING VERY CREATIVE THAT IS PART OF THE METAL, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVES IT NOT JUST A, A RED ARROW OR SOMETHING, BUT YES, WE'LL DO, WHICH I KNOW YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING.
SO YEAH, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
LAURA? YEAH, JUST, OH, A COUPLE OF OKAY.
UH, I'M VERY WELL AWARE OF HOW IMPORTANT THE SIGNAGE IS, BUT AS YOU'RE DRIVING UP, I GUESS THIS IS WHAT, UM, JEFFERSON, WHICH STREET MICHIGAN HEADING NORTH, THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT BLANK WALL.
HAVE YOU ENTERTAINED THE IDEA OF, UH, INCORPORATING THAT CORNER WITH GLASS, MAYBE AN EDGE GLASS WITH THE NAME OF THE RESTAURANT, JUST PERHAPS ALLOWING MORE LIGHT, MORE EXPOSURE TO THE RESTAURANT FROM THAT CORNER? ARE, UM, ARE, ARE YOU SUGGESTING HASKELL A A, A WINDOW OR JUST A DECORATIVE GLASS IN IS MADE UP WINDOW? THE SIGNAGE INTO THE WINDOW? YEAH, PERHAPS, UH, WE JUST, JUST TO ALLOW THAT, THAT CORNER TO ME LOOKS VERY BLANK.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT WE ARE PASTOR DID YOU SEE IT HERE IN THE, I SEE IT IN THE NEW RENDERING WITH THE NEW MOLDING AND STUFF.
YEAH, THERE'S A NEW RENDERING OF THAT CORNER.
IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE MORE ARTICULATED THAN THE ONE YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
IT'S THE LAST THING LEFT PAGE.
IT'S STILL NOT A WINDOW, BUT I, YEAH, I DO.
BUT, UM, I, I WAS JUST ASKING IF YOU HAD CONSIDERED THAT.
WELL, WE, WE HAVE CONSIDERED, UH, EVERYTHING FROM A FULL, MAINTAINING THE FULL DOORS TO POTENTIALLY A WINDOW, TO POTENTIALLY A WALK-UP, UM, PIZZA WALK-UP, PIZZA COUNTER.
AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THE EXCLUSIVITY OF THE HIGH-END RESTAURANT, ET CETERA.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO EXPLORE THAT, UM, AND WORK WITH STAFF ADMINISTRATIVELY, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING A WALK UP WINDOW FOR PIZZA.
I, I, I THINK THE DESIGN, THE ADDITION OF THE RESTAURANT TO LINCOLN ROAD IS FANTASTIC.
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A WELCOME EDITION.I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT BLANK WALL WITH THE SIGNAGE THERE.
AS CARS ARE DRIVING UP JEFFERSON, IT DOESN'T PROVIDE MICHIGAN.
UH, IT, IT COULD PROVIDE A VIEW INTO THE RESTAURANT AS YOU'RE DRIVING UP.
IT MAY BE A DISTRACTION, BUT IT COULD PROVIDE A VIEW INTO THE RESTAURANT MORE EXPOSURE.
JUST A THOUGHT AND A QUESTION.
OKAY, LAURA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION AND, UM, VERY EXCITED.
THIS IS SUCH A CRITICAL, YOU KNOW, INTERSECTION ON LINCOLN ROAD THAT'S BEEN ABANDONED FOR QUITE A WHILE.
UM, YOU GUYS TOOK SUCH CARE WITH THE DESIGN AND THE DETAILS.
DID YOU GUYS LOOK AT THE, THERE WAS A COPPER CUPOLA THAT EXISTED, UM, IN THE, IN THE ORIGINAL PLANS.
I KNOW IT'S NOT EXISTING ANYMORE.
DID YOU GUYS CONSIDER BRINGING THAT BACK? AND IF NOT, WHY
AND THEN THE 19 34, 35 STREAMLINED MODERNA, UH, UPDATE AT THAT TIME THAT BROUGHT THE COPPOLA.
UM, NOW THERE WAS A 2017 APPROVAL, UH, THAT DEBBIE ALLUDED TO THAT WOULD HAD MULTIPLE STORIES.
AND I BROUGHT FORWARD THAT, UH, THAT DESIGN, THIS DESIGN.
UM, WE ARE STAYING WITHIN THE ENVELOPE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT BRINGING IN ADDITIONAL FLOORS AND THE INCOME THAT MIGHT COME FROM THAT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO COME IN, DO A FULL RESTORATION OF WHAT'S THERE.
WE DO, WE DO APPRECIATE HIS BEAUTY, UH, BUT WE ARE STAYING WITHIN THE ENVELOPE OF THE BUILDING, NOT EXPANDING IT.
UM, JUST TWO, UH, MINOR QUESTIONS ON THE, THE SIGNAGE.
DID WE TALK ABOUT THE MATERIALITY OF THAT, THAT SIGNAGE, UH, ON THE, WELL, I GUESS ON THE CORNER, BUT THEN ALSO ON THE MAIN ENTRANCE? WELL, THAT HAS BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE MOVED IT AROUND A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT, THAT HAS STAYED CONSISTENT SINCE MAY THAT HAD, UH, A BRASS, UH, SO IT'S THE BRASS.
UH, FINISH THAT WOULD MATCH THE SCONCES.
AND THEN SECONDLY, ON THE, AT THE DOOR AT THE ENTRANCE, IT APPEARS THAT THERE, COULD YOU TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THAT IS? IS LIKE AN INLAID STONE OR SOMETHING, OR? YES.
SO THIS IS, UM, BRIAN, JUST TO UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION EXACTLY, COMING.
YEAH, NO, I'M JUST, I'M LOOKING AT THE, AT THE ENTRANCE.
SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.
SO YOU CAN'T, YOU YOU'RE WELCOME.
TRANSLATE IT IF YOU YEAH, I THINK TRANSLATE.
THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, UNDERSTOOD FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO THERE.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND SAY SOMETHING, YOU JUST HAVE TO DO IT ON THE MIC.
UH, MAYBE THERE'S A FLOATING MIC.
AND WHILE HE'S GETTING TO THE MIC, I CAN JUST POINT OUT BRIAN, UM, GOOD EYE WITH NOTICING THAT IF THAT'S WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO PUBLIC WORKS REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
I'M JUST, I JUST WANTED TO GET A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON EXACTLY WHAT YOU GUYS INTENDED TO DO THERE.
SO YEAH, SO IT'S, WE HAVE THAT IN OUR LA STOREFRONT AS WELL AS OUR OTHER ONE IN DUBAI.
UM, IT'S REALLY JUST AN HOMAGE TO HOW OLD SCHOOL COUNTRY CLUBS ALWAYS HAVE LIKE A, A NAMEPLATE FOR THE LOGO OR THE CREST OF THE BUSINESSES THERE.
THAT'S JUST A NICE MOMENT FOR PEOPLE.
WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF INSTAGRAM MOMENTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE TAKING PHOTOS OF THEIR FEET WITH A NICE GUY LOGO ON THE FLOOR THERE.
JUST A NICE WAY FOR AN ENTRANCE TO LOOK AS OPPOSED TO JUST SIDEWALK.
LINDSEY, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? I DID.
AND I THINK WE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT THEN MAYBE WE SHIFTED OFF OF IT.
UM, THE SIGN ON THE CORNER WHERE THE OLD DOOR FRONT IS, WHERE YOU'VE WORKED WITH MDPL.
WHAT'S THE MATERIALITY OF THAT? MAYBE I MISSED IT.
SO IT, IS IT LIKE, IS IT LIKE A, WHAT IS IT? MY CLIENTS AND THEIR DESIGN TEAM ARE REPORTING THAT IT'S BRASS.
IS THE, WHAT IT'S CONSTRUCTED OUT OF.
AND SO IS IT, IS IT LIKE BRASS, LIKE, I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL FROM THE RENDERING, BUT IS IT EACH LETTER AND INDIVIDUAL
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BRASS PIECE THAT'S MOUNTED AND THEN THERE'S LIKE A, A BOX AROUND IT? SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT, FOUR, SEVEN? MAYBE THESE IS ONE.DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, RAY? GO, GO FOR IT.
EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT THIS CORNER BEING SO PLAIN.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT A COUPLE OF PLANTERS THERE AND THAT WOULD MAKE, MAKE IT LOOK A LOT BETTER THAN JUST STARK.
I, I HAD A CO I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT ARE, UM, UH, THAT JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION THAT I WASN'T ABLE TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE PLANS.
IF YOU COULD WALK US, MAYBE PUT THE PLAN UP OF THE, OF THE PROJECT AND WALK US FROM THE EAST, UM, FROM THE EAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING ALONG THE WALL WHERE ALL THE WIND, WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE, WHICH I THINK IS A FANTASTIC, UM, OBVIOUSLY A FANTASTIC MOVE.
CAN YOU JUST TELL ME WHAT EACH ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, ONE OF THE THINGS AND PLAN THAT I'M LOOKING AT ARE, UM, SO STARTING WITH THE NORTHEAST CO NORTH STARTING WITH THE, SORRY, THE, THE, THE EASTERN MOST WINDOW.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT PIECE OF FURNITURE IS IN FRONT? THAT'S IN THE PLAN.
UP TO THE UPPER RIGHT, YOU CAN PUT YOUR CURSOR ON IT.
THE, YEAH, JUST, JUST ALONG THE WINDOW.
UM, I JUST, AND IT'S JUST FOR CLARIFICATION WHAT YOU'RE, I'M IT'S BLOW UP IF YOU WANT.
UH, SORRY, JUST SO I KNOW, ARE YOU LOOKING AT WHERE YOUR CUR WHERE THE CURSOR IS RIGHT NOW? OH, GOT IT.
SO THIS BEING THE LINCOLN ROAD YEAH.
WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, JUST ALONG THE WINDOW HERE ARE IMPORTED ITALIAN WOOD PASTA MAKING STATIONS.
OKAY, SO THEY'RE KIND OF TABLES THE NIGHT.
UH, A LOT LIKE WHAT YOU'LL SEE AT OIA FOR 10.
SO THEN DOWN, THERE'S NOTHING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE WINDOW, THERE'S JUST THE PIZZA.
THERE'S NOTHING HERE BECAUSE THIS IS A STATION FOR A PIZZA COOK TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY THROW WOOD AND A DOUGH INTO THE PIZZA OVEN.
IT OPENS UP FACING LINCOLN ROAD.
IT AS WELL OPENS UP FACING THE PRODUCTION KITCHEN.
WHAT ARE THOSE? UH, JUST ALONG THE WINDOW.
I DIDN'T, I DON'T NEED THE WHOLE LAYOUT OF THE KITCHEN, BUT JUST WHAT'S THAT? IS THAT ANOTHER TABLE? EXACTLY THE SAME IDEA, BUT INSTEAD OF PASTA, THIS WILL BE FOR PASTRY AND BREAD.
AND THEN THERE'S UH, NO WINDOWS THERE AND NO WINDOWS THERE.
THEN THE NEXT WINDOW IS AROUND THE CORNER.
UH, THERE'S A WINDOW INTO THE CHEF'S TABLE OR MAFIA TOO.
ALRIGHT, SO I THINK THAT DOES IT FOR WHAT'S IN FRONT OF THE WINDOWS MOSTLY.
I, I HADN'T, AND I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION, NOT ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE INTERIOR LAYOUT.
ONE WAS ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT THE SAMPLES THAT YOU BROUGHT BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, UM, THE RENDERINGS OF THE, OF THE WINDOWS, THEY SEEM, IT SEEMS LIKE THE, THE BOARDS IN THE, IN THE, IN THE WOOD SHIFT IN WIDTH.
BUT THEY'RE VERY CLOSELY SPACED TOGETHER.
AND, AND THESE SEEM LIKE THE BOARDS SHIFT IN DEPTH AND THEY'RE VERY WIDELY SPACED APART.
AM I, HOW DO I RE RECONCILE THESE TWO? YOU'RE RIGHT.
THE BOARDS WILL BE CLOSER TOGETHER.
WHEN WE DID THIS MOCKUP, THE CARPENTER DIDN'T DO IT EXACTLY THE WAY WE, UH, GOT IT.
ALRIGHT, SO IT'LL LOOK MORE LIKE THE RENDERING.
AND WE'LL BE STAINED A LITTLE DARKER AGAIN.
WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET THE, GET THE NO, NO, I TOTALLY GET IT.
AND, AND THEY WILL, WILL THE BOARDS BE ALL AT THE SAME, SAME DEPTH OR WILL THEY BE LIKE UH, THEY'LL BE SLIGHT AS WILL THEY AS BIG SOME STICKING OUT LIKE FOUR INCHES AND SOME STICKING OUT LIKE ONE INCH.
IS THAT OKAY? AND THE WIDTHS WILL BE THIS THE SAME WIDTH OR DIFFERENT VARYING LIFTS.
THOSE WERE, THOSE WERE ALL MY, MY QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, NOW, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I THINK WE HAVE BOARD DISCLOSURES IF THERE ARE ANY.
I DID MEET, OH, ON THE, ON THEIR, ON THE, I DID MEET IN PERSON THAT SITE AND I NOTICED THAT THEY TOOK AN ARC RECOMMENDATION THE FIRST TIME AROUND OF GETTING RID OF THOSE DOORS AND RUNNING THE, THE, UM, KNEE PLATE ALL THE WAY ACROSS AND MAKING IT LOOK.
SO YOU, YOU TOOK THAT SUGGESTION AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
I MET WITH MR. SAVAGE PREVIOUSLY.
I HAD A MEETING ON SITE WITH APPLICANT.
SO, UM, NOW WE ARE OPENING IT TO PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
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ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE PLEASE COME FORWARD.UM, ANNABEL YBI IS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT THE LINCOLN ROAD BID.
UM, FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A NOTE HOW THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN ALREADY SO OPEN TO MEETING WITH THE BOARD AND DISCUSSING THE CONCEPT AND HOW EXCITED WE ARE TO HAVE A PARTNER LIKE THIS ON THE ROAD.
I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE A GAME CHANGER FOR LINCOLN ROAD.
I THINK THIS WILL CONTINUE TO ELEVATE THE, THE, NOT JUST THE RESTAURANTS, BUT WHAT'S GONNA COME AFTER THEY OPEN AS WELL.
SO AS A BOARD, I CAN TELL YOU THEY'RE EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT AND WE CAN'T WAIT TO HAVE SOME PIZZA AND PASTA, UM, ON THE ROAD WITH THESE GENTLEMEN.
SO PLEASE NOTE THAT WE'RE COMPLETELY BEHIND THIS PROJECT.
HI, DANIEL ERALDO WITH MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE.
WE ARE THANKFUL FOR THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL TO BRING BACK LIFE TO A HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAT WE ALL KNOW HAS BEEN NEGLECTED BY ITS CURRENT OWNER FOR FAR TOO LONG.
AND THIS IS HAPPENING ALL THROUGHOUT MIAMI BEACH, AS WE'VE SEEN IN SEVERAL OF THE, UH, PROJECTS TODAY.
UM, WE DO, UM, OVERALL LIKE THE PROPOSAL, BUT WE DID EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT REMOVING THE MAIN CORNER ENTRY FEATURE OF THE EL MURRAY DIXON, 1938 THAT IS STILL THERE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, I WENT, HONESTLY, WHEN I FIRST SAW THE RENDERING ON THAT CORNER, I ACTUALLY THOUGHT, OH, THIS MUST BE 41ST STREET.
IT JUST, IT, IT SCREENED 41ST.
WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE DESIGN GUIDELINES, THEY DON'T HAVE PRESERVATION.
YOU SEE THESE BEAUTIFUL ACO BUILDINGS SLOWLY BEING MODIFIED INTO SORT OF A BRAND NEW BUILDING.
THIS IS LINCOLN ROAD AND IT IS ELMARIE DIXON.
IT WAS DISAPPOINTING TO HEAR THAT THIS CAME FROM THE STAFF WHO DECIDED THEY THOUGHT THE KITCHEN SHOULD BE IN THE FRONT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE DOOR IS NO LONGER IMPORTANT, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS ON LINCOLN ROAD WHERE A BUILDING IS SO MODIFIED, UH, TO MEET THE INTEREST OF A TENANT.
I WILL POINT THOUGH THAT THIS BOARD APPROVED SOMETHING SIMILAR, A, A BIG MODIFICATION OF ANOTHER DIXON THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN AMAZON, AND EVERYONE'S SO EXCITED AND ALL THE BUSINESS FOLKS WERE THERE, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THEY PULLED OUT AND THE BUILDING IS STILL THERE IN DISREPAIR.
SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL ARE FOCUSED ON THAT.
WE'RE HAPPY THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SOME SORT OF A DOOR FIGURE, AND MAYBE THAT IS ENOUGH, BUT WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID FEEL THAT THIS WASN'T HIGHLIGHTED ENOUGH IN THE APPLICATION, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE MAKE THAT OUT IN THE PUBLIC THAT, UH, THIS IS A MAIN ENTRY.
IF WE START REMOVING DOORS AND LETTING ANY TENANT PUT THEIR HUGE BILLBOARD, I THINK WE COULD START SEEING THAT THAT COULD BECOME A PRECEDENT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR GUIDANCE.
WE DO THINK THE, THE ETCHING GOES SOMEWHAT OF THE WAY, BUT WE'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME MORE DISCUSSION, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF, I WANNA SHOW THE EL MURRAY DIXON.
YOU KNOW, THE AD FROM THE HISTORIC RESOURCES REPORT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THERE'S A CORNER ENTRY THERE.
SO LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR DISCUSSION.
UM, ON ZOOM, I SEE LYLE STERN.
DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.
LI LY STERN SIX 90 LINCOLN ROAD.
ANABEL HAS ALREADY SPOKEN ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, BUT I SPEAK AS A, A RESIDENT, A PROPERTY OWNER ON LINCOLN ROAD, A BUSINESS OWNER ON LINCOLN ROAD AND CHAIR OF LINCOLN ROAD BID THAT WE COULD NOT BE MORE EXCITED FOR THE ELEVATED LEVEL OF ATTENTION THE LINCOLN ROAD IS GETTING FROM QUALITY INTERNATIONALLY KNOWN RESTAURANTS AND BRANDS.
AND WE'RE THANKFUL TO ADAM AND, AND THE HWAY GROUP FOR, UH, BEING WILLING TO CONSIDER LINCOLN ROAD AND, AND BRINGING A NICE GUY TO LINCOLN ROAD.
WE'RE, WE, WE AS A BOARD, OBVIOUSLY, ARE FULLY SUPPORTIVE.
I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE AS, AS, AS A RESIDENT.
UM, AND I'M GRATEFUL TO, UH, TO, TO DEBBIE AND STAFF FOR, UH, FOR THE GREAT PARTNERSHIP, UH, IN HELPING US, UH, HELP H WOOD, UH, TO COME TO LINCOLN ROAD.
AND SO NOW WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AS LONG AS THERE'S NOBODY ELSE ON ZOOM, ASSUMING THAT'S THE CASE.
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MOVE TO BOARD MEMBER COMMENT.UM, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO START THEIR EXPRESSING THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT, OKAY, BRIAN, UM, I APPLAUD THIS PROJECT.
I THINK IT'S AN INFLECTION POINT FOR, FOR LINCOLN ROAD.
UM, IT'S WELL PAST TIME THAT WE HAVE THIS KIND OF AN ESTABLISHMENT, UM, THAT IS GONNA HAVE SUCH A PROMINENT STRATEGIC, UH, POSITIONING ON LINCOLN ROAD.
I THINK THAT THE DESIGN IS VERY ELEGANT.
YOU, YOU GUYS WERE VERY THOUGHTFUL.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU CAME TO THE BOARD, UH, LAST SPRING.
I BELIEVE IT WAS IN MAY TO GET OUR FEEDBACK.
I THINK THAT THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD ACTUALLY MADE THIS PROCESS A LOT EASIER, UM, FOR ME AT LEAST.
AND, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORICAL REFERENCES THAT YOU, YOU'VE TAKEN OUT I THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, AND YOUR, THE SOLUTIONS ARE, ARE UNIQUE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE CYPRESS AND THE WINDOWS, UM, THE BRASS.
I LOVE THAT YOU PUT YOUR OWN, UM, YOU KNOW, PANACHE ON ONTO IT AS WELL WITH THE, THIS INLAID CERAMIC AS WELL.
UM, ON THE QUESTION OF THE LINCOLN ROAD FRONTAGE OF THE DOOR, MY FEELING IS THAT, LOOK, THIS IS, YES, WE ARE, WE ARE APPROVING, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT, UH, SUBJECT TO THE, TO THE APPLICANT, TO WHAT THE APPLICANT DOES.
AND THE APPLICANT OBVIOUSLY HAS A, A PARTICULAR BRAND, WHICH ISN'T JUST A RESTAURANT FOR THE PUBLIC, ALTHOUGH THE PUBLIC CAN DINE THERE.
BUT ALSO THERE IS AN ELEMENT, I BELIEVE, FROM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THEIR OTHER, UM, VENUES AND HAVING ATTENDED THAT, SOME OF THEM, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH AN ELEMENT OF PRIVACY.
AND SO I, I HEAR, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC CORNER, BUT I DO THINK THAT THEY HAVE PRESERVED, YOU KNOW, IF THERE, IF THAT, IF THAT, UH, PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS AT SOME POINT, THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY THAT THAT CAN BE REVISITED.
AND, AND I THINK ACTUALLY IN THE PLAN HERE, IT IS STILL HONORED AND THERE IS STILL AN HOMAGE TO IT.
NOW, MY ONLY COMMENT ON THAT WOULD BE, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH RAY.
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF LANDSCAPING OR PLANTERS IN FRONT OF THERE.
I, I KNOW THAT'S NOT MY PURVIEW, BUT I'M SURE YOU GUYS WILL FIGURE THAT OUT AND, AND WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND, AND WHOMEVER HAS JURISDICTION OVER THAT EXTERIOR SPACE THAT IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT AT THAT FRONTAGE.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE PEDESTRIAN, WHEN THEY'RE WALKING DOWN LINCOLN ROAD, THEY WANT IT, YOU, YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM THE FEELING THAT THERE'S SOMETHING BEYOND THERE DOWN MICHIGAN.
AND WE DON'T QUITE GET THAT FEELING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE EAST OR COMING FROM THE WEST.
BUT I'M SURE YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO THAT, UM, FROM A DESIGN POINT OF VIEW, PERHAPS WITH LIGHTING FOR LANDSCAPING AND THE REST.
I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION SINCE I'M LOOKING AT THIS SIDE.
LINDSAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? UH, SURE.
UH, I, I WILL ECHO A LOT OF MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS' COMMENTS HERE.
UM, I'M VERY, UM, HEARTENED BY THE PRESENTATION AND THE EFFORT AND THE WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO MAKING THIS A SPACE THAT'S GOING TO, UM, DRAW NOT ONLY PATRONS TO THE ROAD, BUT ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY DRAW OTHER, YOU KNOW, SYNERGISTIC TYPE BUSINESSES, UM, TO THE ROAD.
UM, I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I COULD GO EITHER WAY AS FAR AS THE DOOR GOES.
I, I CAN UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE, UM, YOU KNOW, DANIEL'S COMMENTS, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE, THE DOOR THAT WAS, UM, ADDED IN DURING THE EL MURRAY DIXON RENOVATION.
UM, I DO LIKE THE CORNER DOORS, HOWEVER, FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF OPENING UP THE SHOW KITCHEN AND THE FRONT.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID AND INTRIGUING HONESTLY, ABOUT DRAWING THE PEOPLE OFF OF THE ROAD, IF YOU WILL, AND DOWN ONTO THE SIDE STREETS, YOU KNOW, DOWN TO THE ENTRANCE THERE, DOWN TO THE OTHER, UM, RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, UH, OR FURTHER DOWN MICHIGAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, I KNOW IT'S THERE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S PART OF THE, UH, THE, UH, THE DRAW OF IT, RIGHT? IS TO HAVE IT A LITTLE BIT SECRETIVE, BUT, YOU KNOW, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT THERE IS SOMETHING DOWN THAT WAY, UM, THAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO CHECK OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT CREATES A, A PRESENCE THERE ON THE ROAD, RIGHT? UM, I THINK THE SHOW KITCHEN GOES A LONG WAY TOWARDS THAT.
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UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE JUST KIND OF MY THOUGHTS.I I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS APPLICATION.
I THINK YOU GUYS, UM, HAVE PUT A LOT OF WORK AND EFFORT INTO THIS.
UM, AND I, I, I AGREE, UM, YOU SAID YOU MADE, IT MADE IT A LOT EASIER FOR HIM.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MADE IT ANY EASIER FOR YOU GUYS TO COME BEFORE US FOR THE PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION, UM, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HELPFUL, UM, TO KIND OF GET A, UH, AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THE BOARD'S COMING FROM IN ADVANCE.
UM, SO I, I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION IN GENERAL, AND THOSE ARE END OF MY COMMENTS.
AND ON THIS SIDE, UM, RAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO? I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION.
I THINK THE, UH, THE SIDE, UH, ALONG THE, UH, MICHIGAN AVENUE SIDE, YOU KNOW, THE WAY YOU TREATED ORIGINALLY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE WINDOWS AND PUT THE, PUT THE WOOD ON THE INSIDE AND WHATNOT, PUTTING IT ON THE OUTSIDE MAKES IT LOOK LIKE SHUTTERS TO SOMEBODY WALKING BY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHICH A LOT OF H HOUSES WOULD'VE HAD IN, IN, IN BUSINESSES AS FAR AS THE SHOW KITCHEN GOES AND THE ENTRANCE.
HAVE YOU THOUGHT MAYBE YOU MIGHT WANNA PUT THE DOOR THERE, MAYBE YOU MIGHT WANNA INVITE SOMEBODY FROM THE STREET IN TO WORK IN THE SHOW KITCHEN AT SOME POINT IN TIME? I MEAN, THIS IS A WHOLE NEW CONCEPT.
YOU DON'T EVEN NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT YOU WANNA DO WITH THAT.
SO TO ME, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A WAY TO GET INTO THE SHOW KITCHEN AND OUTTA THE SHOW KITCHEN, I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE LIVENED THAT CORNER UP, EVEN IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE IT OPEN, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER.
UH, UH, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT DANIEL SAID, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD POSSIBILITY.
UM, HASCO, WELL, I WANNA APPLAUD OWNERSHIP FOR HAVING THE VISION TO BRING THIS CONCEPT TO LINCOLN ROAD.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A TREMENDOUS ASSET FOR US.
UM, AND KUDOS TO THE DESIGN TEAM.
I THINK YOU PUT A MODERN TOUCH ON A HISTORIC BUILDING, AND I THINK IT'S VERY APPEALING, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO VISITING YOUR RESTAURANT OFTEN.
UM, I'LL JUST ECHO, UM, WHAT MOST OF MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS SAID.
UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INVESTMENT, UM, IN LINCOLN ROAD.
TO SEE THE STREETS SCAPE COME BACK TO LINCOLN ROAD AND BE VIBRANT IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL.
UM, AND SOMETHING SO CRITICAL.
SO TO WEAVE THAT IN WITH ALL THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE IS, IS AMAZING.
UM, AND I'M DEFINITELY SUPPORTIVE.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE CORNER, UM, DOOR IF, IF IT'S OPERABLE OR NOT BROUGHT BACK IN SOME CREATIVE WAY, JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE THAT CHAMFORD CORNER WAS REALLY ONE OF THE FEW DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT THEY HAD.
UM, BUT IF THERE WAS A WAY TO MAYBE WORK WITH STAFF, I DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT TO HOLD UP YOUR APPROVALS.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY, UM, MAKE, MAKE ME HAPPY AT LEAST.
BUT THANK YOU AGAIN, AND, UM, VERY EXCITED.
SO, I MEAN, SINCE THIS IS BOARD DISCUSSION AND COMMENT, YOU KNOW, AS I'M THINKING ABOUT IT, UM, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE THE DOOR THERE, HOWEVER, IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE UTILIZED TO ME, RIGHT? AND, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS THINKING, RIGHT? I LIKE THE HOMAGE BETTER THAN THE ACTUAL DOOR, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEN IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS AN AFTERTHOUGHT.
LIKE THEY JUST DECIDED TO CLOSE OFF THIS DOOR AND NOT USE IT, RATHER THAN AN INTENTIONAL DESIGN DECISION.
UM, KIND OF TO THE POINT OF LIKE THE KNEE WALLS WHERE YOU SUGGESTED CLOSE OFF THOSE DOORS AND EXTEND THE KNEE WALL, BECAUSE FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN WE JUST ENCLOSED A DOOR AND WE'RE NOT USING IT ANYMORE, YOU KNOW, YOU EXTENDED THE DESIGN.
AND SO THAT'S, I, I LIKE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE MADE, AND MAYBE THERE'S MORE OF HOMAGE THAT COULD BE DONE, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS HAVING A DOOR, BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE USED AS AN ENTRANCE.
BUT IF IT GOES TO THE, IF IT GOES TO KITCHEN, WAIT, HANG ON THE MIC, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, THAT'S, I MEAN, I GUESS I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
I GUESS MY POINT IS, IS THAT IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE UTILIZED, WHAT THAT DOES IS IT, AS SOMEONE'S WALKING AROUND, IF THEY GO TO THAT DOOR MM-HMM,
I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH WHAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED, BUT IF IT WERE, LET'S SAY, A WINDOW, YOU KNOW, THAT OPEN RATHER THAN A DOOR, THAT'S MY POINT IS I DON'T REALLY WANT A DOOR THAT'S NOT GONNA BE UTILIZED AS THE ENTRANCE, BECAUSE IT THEN JUST STRIKES ME AS A, AN AFTERTHOUGHT.
A DOOR THAT WE JUST CLOSED OFF THAT WE'RE NOT USING.
AND, UH, I'LL JUST, UM, UH, MENTION THAT I, I, I THINK THIS IS A, AN REALLY AN AMAZING, UM, AMAZING PROJECT, UH, TO HAVE ON LINCOLN
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ROAD.THE CORNER OF THIS BUILDING IS A CONTESTED, HAS BEEN A CONTESTED SPACE ALMOST SINCE IT WAS BUILT.
IT WAS ONLY SEVEN YEARS OR SO AFTER THE BUILDING, OR MAYBE A DECADE AFTER IT WAS BUILT THAT THIS NEW CORNER CAME IN.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN, UM, WHEN THE NICE GUY IS FINISHED AND THE REALLY SUPER NICE GUY MOVES IN, MAYBE THEY WANT TO OPEN THAT CORNER DOOR AND DO SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
I THINK THIS IS THE BEST THING WE CAN HOPE FOR WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION, IS THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY IN SOME CASES, NOT IN EVERY CASE, BUT IN SOME CASES, UH, THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY TO, UM, TO BRING A PROJECT BACK, MAYBE WITH A CUPOLA, WITH A CORNER WITH GLASS.
IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT, IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT SCENARIO.
BUT IN ORDER TO GET THIS BUILDING MOVING AND TO KEEP, UM, YOU KNOW, LINCOLN ROAD MOVING FORWARD IN SUCH A POSITIVE DIRECTION, I, I REALLY CAN'T, UH, I, I CAN'T COMMEND YOU GUYS ENOUGH.
AND I'M, I AM REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND THE, YOU KNOW, THE WINDOWS IS GONNA BE, ARE GONNA BE TABLES, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE SHELVING THAT'S JUST GOT STUFF STORED ON IT.
AND, UM, I I, I AM WONDERING WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AT THE, AT THE, UM, THE SPECIAL TABLE CHEF'S TABLE IN TERMS OF THE WINDOWS.
I IMAGINE THERE, THERE'LL BE A SPECIAL SHADE OR CURTAIN THERE AT CERTAIN TIMES, UH, UM, WHEN, UH, SPECIALS SPECIAL GUESTS ARE EATING THERE.
BUT IN ANY EVENT, I THINK IT'S A, I I REALLY THINK WE CAN, I CAN DEFINITELY LIVE WITH THIS, UH, PROJECT, AND I'M GLAD YOU ARTICULATED THE KIND OF RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE MO THE SAMPLES THAT YOU BROUGHT IN AND WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING.
AND I WOULD, I, I GUESS, ESSENTIALLY ENCOURAGE LIKE US MOVING FORWARD WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
I MEAN, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF WE'RE GO.
UM, SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ALSO INCLUDING, UM, EXHIBIT A AND EXHIBIT B THAT WERE PROVIDED SEPARATELY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S MENTIONED IN THE, IN THE ORDER OR NOT.
SO APPROVE THE ORDER, UM, PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS PLUS EXHIBIT A AND B THAT WERE DELIVERED TO US TODAY, WHICH ARE THE, THE RECESSED HOMAGE TO THE DOOR ON THE MICHIGAN SIDE, AND THEN THE MORE DETAILED HOMAGE TO THE DOOR ON THE CORNER OF LINCOLN AND MICHIGAN.
LET ME CALL THE ROLE, UM, MR. BRESLIN? YES.
THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE BOARD FOR THE LAST HEARING, THIS HEARING AND ALL THE TIME THAT YOU SPENT WITH US.
UM, WE HAVE TWO MORE APPLICATIONS ON THE AGENDA.
WE ALSO HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM.
DO YOU WANNA TAKE A QUICK BREAK? DO YOU WANNA EAT THROUGH THE REMAINING APPLICATIONS? OKAY.
WHY DON'T WE TAKE FIVE MINUTES AND THEN WE WILL, UH, AND WE WILL, YEAH.
AND THEN WE'LL START RIGHT IN.
SO WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
WE ARE GOING ON AIR IN 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
UM, THANK YOU FOR ACCOMMODATING OUR, OUR LUNCH BREAK.
[6. HPB24-0631, Citywide Digital Information Kiosks.]
ON THE AGENDA IS HPB 24 0 6 3 1.THESE ARE THE CITYWIDE DIGITAL INFORMATION KIOSKS.
AS THE BOARD MAY RECALL, AT THE MAY MEETING, THE BOARD REVIEWED AND APPROVED THE INSTALLATION OF DIGITAL KIOSKS AT SEVERAL LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY'S LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR THE DESIGN OF FIVE ADDITIONAL KIOSKS FOR IT TO BE INSTALLED ALONG LINCOLN ROAD, AND ONE TO BE INSTALLED AT THE INTERSECTION OF INDIAN CREEK DRIVE AND 39TH STREET.
THE PROPOSED KIOSKS ARE THE SAME DESIGN AS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND ARE PROPOSED TO BE FINISHED IN THE NEUTRAL LIGHT GRAY COLOR OPTION.
THE KIOSKS ALONG LINCOLN ROAD ARE PROPOSED TO BE SET AT AN ANGLE TO INCREASE PEDESTRIAN VISIBILITY, AND THESE KIOSKS HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY THE LINCOLN ROW BID, AND THE JAMES CORNER FIELD OPERATIONS STAFF RECOMMENDS PROOF OF THE APPLICATION AND IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FROM THE BOARD FOR STAFF RELATED TO THIS HEARING? NONE.
UM, THEN MR. LARKIN, NICE TO SEE YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBER STAFF MICHAEL LARKIN, 200 SOUTH PISCA BOULEVARD HERE IS IN THE APPLICANT
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AGAIN, UH, WITH ME IS GIRAN MOHAMMED FROM THE APPLICANT, AND THEN BILL LANE AND MY COLLEAGUE EMILY BALTER.UM, WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED YOU ALL PUSHING US IN THIS LAST YEAR TO COME UP WITH A SUPERIOR DESIGN, AND I CAN'T BE GRATEFUL ENOUGH TO BILL LANE TO LISTENING TO YOU ALL AND IMPLEMENTING THAT GOOD DESIGN.
SO, WE'RE HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU ALL FOR APPROVAL FOR SOME MORE KIOSK UP AND DOWN LINCOLN ROAD, AND THEN ONE UPON INDIAN CREEK.
YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAVE HEARD THE DIFFERENT BENEFITS OF THE KIOSK, BUT I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING VERY REAL ANECDOTE THAT HAPPENED THE LAST, UH, 24 HOURS I'VE BEEN IMPLORING MY AUNT ANN IN LAKELAND TO EVACUATE LAKELAND WITH HER SON, UH, GREG, AND COME DOWN AND STAY WITH ME.
'CAUSE I, I THINK I HAVE AMPLE ROOM TO ACCOMMODATE MY RELATIVES WHEN NECESSARY.
I'M TRACKING HURRICANE MILTON AND I, I GET UP AT 5:00 AM LIKE I ALWAYS DO TODAY.
I GO TO CNN.COM AND THERE'S A VERY LARGE PICTURE OF A STREET IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA, AND THERE HAPPENS TO BE A IKE SMART CITY KIOSK RIGHT THERE WITH THE HURRICANE MESSAGING AND HURRICANE EVACUATION ROUTES AND WHAT TO DO AND WHERE MILTON IS, AND WHAT, AND I THOUGHT THIS IS PRETTY AMAZING.
SO HOPEFULLY AUNT ANN WILL NOT BE SO STUBBORN AND SHE'LL JOIN ME TONIGHT.
BUT AT LEAST THAT THEIR KIOSKS ARE UP AND ALIVE, AND THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY SAID WITH PUBLIC MESSAGING IN A VERY PROMINENT STREET IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA RIGHT NOW.
SO, AT THAT, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO GIRON.
HE'S GONNA WALK YOU ALL THROUGH THE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, UH, FOR THESE PROPOSED KIOSK.
HELLO, CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M GIRAN SHER MOHAMMED WITH IKE SMART CITY.
UM, AND, UH, WE'LL TRY TO MOVE THROUGH THIS PRETTY QUICKLY CONSIDERING THAT Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THIS PRESENTATION SEVERAL TIMES.
AND AT THIS POINT, I THINK UNDERSTAND THE KIOSK FUNCTIONALITY PRETTY WELL.
BUT AS YOU MIGHT RECALL, IT'S AN INTERACTIVE TOUCHSCREEN WAY.
FINDING DEVICE HELPS PEOPLE NAVIGATE THE CITY AND PRESENT A SERIES OF OPTIONS FOR HOW YOU CAN DISCOVER WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND HOW TO NAVIGATE TO THAT LOCATION.
IN ADDITION TO THE PUBLIC SERVICE MESSAGING THAT, UM, MICHAEL REFERENCED HERE JUST A MOMENT AGO, UM, WE WERE SELECTED IN APRIL 22 BY THE CITY, EXECUTED A CONTRACT, UM, IN JULY 23.
UM, SORRY, UH, RFP WAS RELEASED IN APRIL 22.
WE WERE SELECTED SHORTLY THEREAFTER, AND THEN EXECUTED A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY.
UM, SINCE THEN, WE'VE, UH, PRESENTED IN FRONT OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD FOR FEEDBACK SEVERAL TIMES.
UM, AND TODAY WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU, FOR THE LAST FIVE SITES.
YOU APPROVED EIGHT SITES AT YOUR LAST MEETING.
WE THEN WENT TO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD TO SEEK APPROVAL FOR TWO SITES, WHICH GOT US TO 10 LOCATIONS.
AND THE CONTRACT IS FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE LOCATIONS, 15 IN TOTAL.
AND SO HERE WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU, UM, THE LAST FIVE LOCATIONS, UM, OF THESE FIVE, FOUR ARE ON LINCOLN ROAD.
AND THEN THE FIFTH LOCATION INCORPORATES SOME FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM THIS BOARD REGARDING SIGHTING AND IS ON, UM, THE SEAPORT LOCATION AT INDIAN CREEK AND 39TH.
UH, WE'LL GET INTO FURTHER DETAILS ABOUT THOSE SITES IN JUST A MOMENT.
UM, BUT FIRST I WANNA, UH, PASS THE MICROPHONE OVER TO MR. LANE TO DISCUSS, UM, THE DESIGN INTENT BEHIND THE KIOSKS.
UH, THANK YOU FOR, UM, HEARING US OUT ON THIS.
UH, WE CAME BACK, UH, WITH THE PROPOSED KIOSK FOR LINCOLN ROAD, USING OF COURSE THE MORE NEUTRAL, UH, SILVER TONE.
AND, UH, AND ALSO THE, THE FACT THAT THESE WERE SLIGHTLY ROTATED, I THINK MAKE THEM, UH, MORE SCULPTURAL.
WE WANTED TO STAY WITHIN THE KIND OF NEUTRALITY OF THE, THE LAPIDUS KIOSKS AND SOME OF THE FUTURE WORK THAT THE JAMES COMER GROUP IS GONNA BE, UM, ADDING TO THE ROAD.
SO WE JUST IMAGINED IT TO BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE.
I, I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER IKE, UH, KIOSKS THAT YOU KNOW OF ARE USUALLY BLACK.
WE THINK THAT THIS ONE, UH, PARTICULARLY THE FACT THAT'S UNIQUE, WILL BE, UH, SOMETHING SPECIAL FROM MIAMI BEACH.
UM, AND, UH, OF COURSE, THE FORM THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN, WE FEEL IS RESPONSIVE TO THE BEACH, UH, IN TERMS OF CREATIVITY, IN TERMS OF, AGAIN, UNIQUENESS, UH, SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS, UH, REFLECTIVE OF MIAMI BEACH DESIGN GENERALLY.
UM, AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS THE, THE DESIGN THAT MR. LANE DEVELOPED FOR US.
AND THIS IS, UH, A RENDERING OF THE, THE DESIGN THAT THE COLOR THAT WE'RE SEEKING, UM, FOR THESE LOCATIONS.
UM, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH JAMES CORNER FIELD OPERATIONS IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE, UH, IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROGRAM FITS NICELY WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING ON LINCOLN ROAD.
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CIRCULATED A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM JAMES CORNER, UM, FIELD OPERATIONS TO, TO EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD.AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT LETTER, WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE IT.
UM, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT ON THAT LETTER, IT'S MORE THAN JUST REACHING OUT TO THEM, ASKING THEM FOR SUPPORT.
BUT WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH, UH, JCFO OVER THE LAST, CALL IT 60 DAYS ON AND OFF, UM, IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COLLABORATING CLOSELY AND INCORPORATING ALL THEIR FEEDBACK INTO OUR SIGHTING.
UM, SO WITH THAT, THIS IS THE, THE FIVE LOCATIONS WE'RE HERE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR.
UM, I'M GONNA TRY TO MOVE THROUGH THESE PRETTY QUICKLY, BUT OF COURSE, HAPPY TO GO BACK TO ANY OF THESE SLIDES FOR QUESTIONS.
UM, IN EVALUATING ALL OF THESE SITES, WE INCORPORATED AN ASSESSMENT OF, UM, UH, PEDESTRIAN COUNTS.
SO YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT WE ALSO WILL HAVE A PEDESTRIAN COUNT.
EACH ONE OF THESE LOCATIONS HAS TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEDESTRIANS GOING BY THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND WE'VE PUT THE COUNT AT EACH SITE.
UM, SO THE FIRST SITE IS AT LINCOLN ROAD AT PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE.
UM, MR. LANE REFERENCED THAT THE SITES ON LINCOLN ROAD HAVE A UNIQUE ORIENTATION.
UM, THE LINCOLN ROAD BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED TO US THAT IN ORDER TO CREATE SOME VISUAL INTEREST AND TO MAXIMIZE PEDESTRIAN VIEW SHED AND ACCESSIBILITY, THEY SUGGESTED, INSTEAD OF DOING THE TRADITIONAL PERPENDICULAR ORIENTATION, WE ORIENT THEM AT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE SO THAT, UM, IT KIND OF CREATES A NEW VISUAL INTEREST WITHOUT CHANGING THE COLOR SCHEME, WHICH THEY WANTED.
THEY LIKE THIS COLOR, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THEM.
UM, BUT THAT SUGGEST THEY SUGGESTED AN ORIENTATION THAT WOULD HELP MAXIMIZE PEDESTRIAN INTERACTIVITY.
UM, AND THEN ALSO CREATE SOME VISUAL INTEREST, UH, UP AND DOWN THAT PROMENADE.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT KIND OF 45 DEGREE ORIENTATION HERE.
ONLY THE ONES ON LINCOLN ROAD WILL HAVE THIS UNIQUE ORIENTATION.
UM, HERE'S ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SAME KIOSK, AND THEN HERE'S A PLANNED VIEW OF IT AS WELL.
UM, THIS KIOSK HAS 65,000, UH, PEDESTRIANS, UH, GOING BY A MONTH.
UM, AND, UH, WILL BE LOCATED ON, ON LINCOLN ROAD IN PENNSYLVANIA.
UH, THE NEXT SITE IS AT MERIDIAN AND LINCOLN ROAD.
HERE'S A, A PLAN VIEW OF WHERE WE'LL GO.
UM, ANOTHER, AN ELEVATION OF IT.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, A DETAILED PLAN VIEW AS WELL.
UM, THIS SITE HAS OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND, UH, PEDESTRIAN VISITS A, A MONTH.
UM, AND WE'VE VETTED ALL OF THESE SITES FOR ACCESSIBILITY TO POWER, WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBILITY, CLEAR PATH OF TRAVEL, ET CETERA.
UM, THE NEXT LOCATION IS AT LINCOLN IN JEFFERSON.
UM, HERE'S AN ELEVATION, AND PLEASE STOP ME IF I'M MOVING TOO QUICKLY OR INTERRUPT WITH QUESTIONS.
UM, AND THEN HERE'S A DETAILED PLAN.
VIEW NEAREST BUILDING IS VICTORIA'S SECRET.
UM, THIS SITE HAS OVER 30,000 PEDESTRIANS A MONTH.
UM, THE NEXT LOCATION IS AT, UH, UH, LENNOX AND LINCOLN.
UM, HERE'S AN ELEVATION AND THEN A DETAILED PLAN VIEW.
THIS SITE HAS OVER 58,000 PEDESTRIANS A MONTH.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY THE LAST SITE WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO PLACE THIS NEAR THE, THE NEW SEAPORT, AND THEN ALSO WITH SOME PROXIMITY TO 41ST STREET AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT PEOPLE WERE ENCOURAGED TO GO DOWN 41ST STREET.
UM, THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME CONFUSION AROUND, YOU MENTIONED SEAPORT.
WAS YOUR SEAPORT LIKE A PEDESTRIAN WALK? PEDESTRIAN.
BOARDWALK, PEDESTRIAN BOARDWALK.
I THOUGHT SEAPORT WAS A TERM OF ART THAT WAS BEING USED IN THE CITY.
UM, I'LL USE PEDESTRIAN BOARDWALK,
UM, SO THE ATTENTION HERE IS TO BE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE PEDESTRIAN BOARDWALK TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO DOWN 41ST STREET, AND ALSO TO USE THAT PEDESTRIAN BOARDWALK AS WELL.
UM, HERE'S AN ELEVATION, AND THEN HERE'S THE PLAN.
AND I'M GONNA GO THROUGH, GO INTO ANOTHER DETAILED PLAN OF IT.
UM, THAT SITE CURRENTLY HAS APPROXIMATELY 24,000 VISITORS A MONTH.
UM, TO BRIEFLY TOUCH ON CONTENT PLAN, I UNDERSTAND I HAVE LESS THAN A MINUTE LEFT.
UH, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH MDPL TO CREATE LIKE AN ART
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DECO WALKING TOUR.UM, DANIEL HAD TO LEAVE, BUT WE'LL, UM, UH, SUPPORT VIRTUALLY.
YOU NEED ANOTHER MINUTE? TWO MINUTES? YEAH.
A MINUTE OR TWO SHOULD BE FINE.
UM, AND SO JUST WANNA SHOW YOU THAT THROUGH THE ITERATIVE PROCESS OVER THE COURSE OF THIS YEAR, WE MET WITH YOU AND THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE LEARNED HOW IMPORTANT IT'S TO BE COLLABORATING WITH THESE ORGANIZATIONS IN THE CITY.
WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH MDPL TO CREATE THIS ART DECO WALKING TOUR SO THAT PEOPLE CAN LEARN ABOUT THIS TOUR, TAKE IT WITH THEM, AND THEN EXPLORE KIND OF THE ART DECO EXPERIENCE AND THE BACKGROUND OF THE CITY, THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF THE DESIGN, IMPORTANCE OF THE CITY AS THEY KIND OF WALK DOWN THE CITY.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE WOLFSONIAN TO CREATE POSTER APPLICATIONS TO HELP PEOPLE DISCOVER EVERYTHING THEY HAVE TO OFFER.
HERE IS THE JEWISH MUSEUM OF FLORIDA AT FIU.
UM, AND WE'VE WORKED WITH VARIOUS COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF EVERYBODY WE'VE TALKED TO AND ARE ACTIVELY COLLABORATING WITH TO MAKE SURE THE CONTENT KIND OF REFLECTS THE SPIRIT OF THE MIAMI BEACH COMMUNITY.
UM, WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS.
UM, SO NOW, UH, WE ARE AT THE MOMENT OF BOARD QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO SAY, RAY? UM, JUST ON LINCOLN ROAD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, A MASTER PLAN FOR LINCOLN ROAD.
AND HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THAT AND MADE SURE THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING DOESN'T HAVE TO INTERFERE WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING? YES.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANYBODY ON THIS END? ALRIGHT.
UM, SO NOW WE HAVE BOARD DISCLOSURES.
WE GET TO PUBLIC, UM, TO, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.
ANNABEL YPI LINKER ROAD BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
AS THE APPLICANT STATED, WE HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM PROBABLY OVER A YEAR NOW.
UM, NOT JUST IDENTIFYING LOCATIONS, BUT HOW IT WAS GONNA BE INSTALLED.
WE WORK WITH JAMES CORNER AS WELL, AND ALSO PUBLIC WORKS TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE PROPOSING THESE LOCATION, IF IT IMPACTS ANYTHING UNDERNEATH AS WELL.
SO I, I REALLY WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN INTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH THEM ON PICKING THESE LOCATION.
CURRENTLY YOU HAVE ABOUT EIGHT STATIC DIRECTORIES ON LINCOLN ROAD.
THEY'RE THE OLD CLEAR CHANNEL.
THEY'RE VERY LARGE, BULKY, AND MANY TIMES THEY'RE LITERALLY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
LIKE YOU LITERALLY ARE IN THE MIDDLE, YOU HAVE TO WALK AROUND THEM.
SO IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO IDENTIFY THESE NEW LOCATIONS THAT FITS WITHIN THE PEDESTRIAN RIGHT AWAY.
UM, AND WE'RE VERY PLEASED AND WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE THIS DESIGN EXTRA SPECIAL FOR LINCOLN ROAD.
UM, SO I'M HERE TODAY TO TELL YOU WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORTIVE.
WE CAN'T WAIT TO, TO GET THESE GOING.
UM, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY ON, ON THE CLEAR CHANNEL ON THE REMOVAL OF THEIRS.
'CAUSE THEY'RE A MONTH TO MONTH RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE GOAL WOULD BE IS THAT WE WOULD REMOVE THE OLD ONES AND INSTALL THE FOUR NEW DIGITAL.
I DO NOT WANT, I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE A HYBRID APPROACH ON LINKER ROAD.
I THINK IT'S EITHER ALL STATIC OR ALL DIGITAL.
SO FOR RIGHT NOW, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WHEN WE HAVE THESE PRODUCED AND WE'RE GONNA READY TO INSTALL, WE ARE GONNA REMOVE THE OLDER VERSIONS OF THE DIRECTORY.
THE REALITY IS, ONCE YOU PRINT, IT'S OUTDATED, YOU KNOW, SO THE DIGITAL HELP US KEEP IT VERY CURRENT TO WHAT'S THERE ON LINCOLN ROAD.
OBVIOUSLY HAVE PROMOTIONS AND, AND IDENTIFY THE EVENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ON LINCOLN ROAD.
SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE THESE ON LINCOLN ROAD.
UM, I SEE DANIEL ERALDO ON ZOOM.
AND JUST IN TIME BEFORE MY ONE O'CLOCK MEETING THAT I HAD TO RUN TO, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WE HAD MET WITH THE APPLICANT IN THE PRIOR ITERATIONS ALONG OCEAN DRIVE, AND WE'VE BEEN PART OF THE PROCESS TO HELP IMPROVE THE DESIGN.
WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND FOR, UH, PLACING AN APP FOR THE WALKING TOUR AND, UH, FOR THEIR, UH, OVERALL INVOLVEMENT IN, UH, TAKING INPUT FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS.
ONE THING I DID SEE TODAY, UH, REGARDING HURRICANES IS A LOT OF THESE ARE BEING USED FOR HURRICANE INFORMATION.
AND, UH, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME BACKUP POWER AS WELL SINCE, UH, THIS IS AN INCREASINGLY, UH, CLIMATE IMPACTED CITY.
I SEE NO OTHER MEMBERS WISHING TO COMMENT.
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WE NOW, UH, DO WE DO DISCLOSURES OR WE DID NOBODY HAD ANY.UM, SO NOW WE JUST BOARD MEMBER COMMENT.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO, UM, OPEN THE COMMENT? JUST, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY.
WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED SOME LOCATIONS.
WHEN, WHEN IS THE FIRST ONE ACTUALLY GONNA BE INSTALLED? SO BECAUSE THE, THE DESIGN IS CUSTOM FOR THE, THE BEACH, UM, WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS MEETING TO HIT GO ON FABRICATION.
SO IDEALLY WE'D LIKE TO BE INSTALLED WITH SEVERAL OF THESE BY JUNE OF NEXT YEAR.
UM, BUT IT'S A MATTER OF WHETHER OUR FABRICATOR IS ABLE TO DELIVER AT THE PACE WE'D LIKE TO SEE, UM, AFTER THIS MEETING.
ANY, ANY BOARD MEMBER COMMENT ON THE APPLICATION? NO.
UH, I'LL JUST JUMP IN TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONFLUENCE OF, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO BOARD ENGAGEMENT, CIVIC ENGAGEMENT, UM, WITH THESE KIOSKS HAS BEEN, UM, EXEMPLARY.
AND, UH, THAT IT, IT, IT'S NOT THAT I AM PARTICULARLY ENAMORED OF THESE KIOSKS, BUT PERSONALLY, UH, I DRIVE BY THEM IN, IN MY OFFICE IN WYNWOOD.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN EXEMPLARY.
AND I WOULD, UH, I WOULD SUPPORT, UH, A MOTION IF ANYBODY WANTED TO, UH, AS PER FACULTY.
AND IF NOBODY WANTS TO DO A MOTION, WE CAN CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE AS THE STAFF'S CONDITIONS ARE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
[7. HPB24-0633, Ocean Terrace between 73rd Street and 75th Street including portions of 73rd, 74th and 75th Streets, Ocean Terrace Park.]
OKAY.OUR NEXT APPLICATION, UM, IS HPB 24 0 6 3 3.
THIS IS OCEAN TERRACE PARK, UM, OCEAN TERRACE BETWEEN 73RD STREET AND 75TH STREET, INCLUDING PORTIONS OF 73RD, 74TH AND 75TH STREETS.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF AN ARTISTIC SCULPTURE WITHIN THE PARK.
SO IF, IF SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN UP THERE, YOU'LL NOTE THAT THE PARK IS WELL UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, IT'S A VERY EXCITING PROJECT.
UM, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, JAKE AND I HAVE, HAVE SPOKEN WITH A LOT OF BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO ARE ALSO ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PARK COMING TO COMPLETION.
UM, AND WE THINK IT WILL BE AN EXCEPTIONAL ASSET FOR, FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR VISITORS.
UM, SO WE'VE OUTLINED A BIT OF HISTORY.
THE APPLICANT, ACTUALLY IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO, UM, DID GO THROUGH, UM, AS PART OF THEIR AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY, THEY DID GO THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE THEY WENT TO THE ART AND PUBLIC PLACES COMMITTEE, UM, REGARDING THIS ART PIECE, WHICH IS PART OF THEIR REQUIREMENT.
AND AS WITH THE CONTRACT THAT THEY HAVE WITH THE CITY FOR CONSTRUCTING THE PARK.
UM, SO THE ART AND PUBLIC PLACES COMMITTEE DID REVIEW, I THINK ON, ON TWO OCCASIONS AND, UH, DID NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THE PIECE OF ARTWORK SHOWN, WHICH IS, UM, BY RENOWNED ARTIST PRUNE NORI.
UM, IT IS TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CENTRAL WATER FEATURE OF THE PARK.
IT WILL BE A CELLULAR CONCRETE WITH APPLIED, UH, COATING TO GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF STONE.
UM, STAFF IS, IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED ARTWORK.
WE THINK THE LOCATION IS APPROPRIATE.
UM, AND WE JUST ARE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL SUBJECT TO, UM, CERTAIN MAINTENANCE PLAN, UH, BEING REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY, THE CITY.
UM, THERE HAS SOME EXPERIENCE WITH ART AND PUBLIC PLACES, MAINTENANCE 'CAUSE WE HAVE A PRETTY EXCEPTIONAL, VAST COLLECTION.
HOWEVER, THIS FACILITY WILL BE MAIN MAINTAINED BY THE CITY'S PARKS DEPARTMENT.
AND SO WE ARE JUST, UM, INCLUDING IN OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT PRIOR TO
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THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THIS, THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT REVIEW, UM, AND APPROVE OF THE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE AND, UM, PROGRAM.IS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DEBBIE ABOUT STAFF'S REPORT ON THIS? NO.
THEN, UH, SEEING NONE, PLEASE TAKE IT AWAY.
CHRISTOPHER MACHADO FROM AKERMAN, LLP 98 SOUTHEAST SEVENTH STREET, SUITE 1100 IN MIAMI, FLORIDA.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF OTH STREETSCAPE, LLC, THAT'S AN AFFILIATE OF OCEAN TERRACE HOLDINGS.
OCEAN TERRACE HOLDINGS IS DEVELOPER OF THE OCEAN TERRACE PROJECT AND ALSO OF THIS PARK.
WE'RE THE CO-APPLICANT WITH THE CITY ON THIS ONE BECAUSE THE ARTWORK WILL BE INSTALLED WITHIN CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
SO THE CITY IS SUPPORTIVE IN THAT RESPECT.
I'M JOINED TODAY BY JARED GREEN FROM MOTION TERRACE HOLDINGS.
HE'S ON BY ZOOM AND BY CLARENCE JOHNSON, WHO'S HERE IN PERSONAL WITH US.
I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND.
I THINK DEBBIE TOUCHED ON THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE PROJECT.
I WON'T GO INTO DEPTH ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THEN.
I'LL JUST SAY THAT WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO PROVIDE A COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION, WHICH IS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A SCULPTURE DESIGNED BY PR NOURI.
PR NOURI IS ORIGINALLY FROM FRANCE, AND SHE DESIGNED SCULPTURES ALL OVER THE WORLD, PRIMARILY WORKING WITH CLAY AND ALSO, UM, WITH MEXICAN THEMES IN CERTAIN OCCASIONS.
AS YOU'LL SEE WHEN I GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, HER BODY OF WORK FOCUSES ON THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, THE BODY AND HEALING AND ALSO OTHER THEMES, INCLUDING THE INTERDEPENDENCE OF LIVING THINGS.
HERE WE HAVE FOR YOU ON THE SCREEN, IF YOU COULD SHARE THAT SLIDE.
THIS IS AN ARTWORK BY PRRI IN EXXON PROVENANCE, UH, UH, IN SOUTH OF FRANCE, JUST, UH, NORTH OF MARSE.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO SYMBOLIZE THE WOMB OF MOTHER EARTH, BUT IT'S ALSO SORT OF AN ODE TO HOW EARTH MATTERS.
IT'S AN ODE TO SUSTAINABILITY AND TO HOW HUMANS INTERACT WITH THEIR ENVIRONMENT.
HERE WE HAVE ADDITIONAL ARTWORKS THAT SERVE AS BACKGROUND INSPIRATION FOR OUR SCULPTURE.
THESE ARE BASED IN BRUSSELS AND IN NEW YORK CITY.
AND YOU'LL SEE THE THEMES OF HUMAN FACES AND WORKING WITH CLAY IN SIMILAR MATERIALS.
AND HERE ON SLIDE FOUR, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL WORKS LOCATED IN FRANCE AT THE TOP AND IN MEXICO.
ON THE BOTTOM, UH, ONE OF THE THEMES THAT SHE HAS USED IN HER WORKS IS THE IDEA OF A TECA, WHICH IS A MEXICAN SWEAT LODGE THROUGH SYMBOLIZE SORT OF REPENTANCE AND CLEANSING.
AND SHE WORKS ALSO WITH THOSE MATERIALS IN MOST OF HER WORKS.
SO THE INSPIRATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF ART IS NELLY LOCUST.
SHE WAS A VERY IMPORTANT WOMAN IN OUR HISTORY IN THE CITY OF MIAMI, IN THE REGION AS A WHOLE.
SHE WORKED WITH THE UNITED STATES COAST GUARDS, A WOMEN'S RESERVE, COMMONLY KNOWN AS SPARS.
SPARS COMES FROM THE COAST GUARD MOTTO, SEMPRA TUS, ALWAYS READY.
SHE SERVED TO GATHER INTELLIGENCE AND TO, UH, INFORM THE INTELLIGENCE SECTOR OF THE COAST GUARD AS TO PERSONS WHO WERE LOOKING TO ENTER INTO OUR PORTS.
AND THIS WAS A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE FOR WOMEN AT THE TIME IN, UH, THE HOME FRONT DURING THE WAR BECAUSE IT PROVIDED OPPORTUNITIES TO GAIN SKILLS AND ENTER THE WORKFORCE THEREAFTER.
AND SO, NELLY'S, UH, COUNTENANCE IS THE INSPIRATION FOR THE SCULPTURE AS TO THE LOCATION OF THE SCULPTURE.
IT'S LOCATED, WILL BE LOCATED IN THE HEART OF THE PARK WITHIN THE CENTRAL WATER FEATURE.
AND YOU SEE ON THIS, UH, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THESE SLIDES, HOW THERE IS A BENCH ACROSS FROM THE SCULPTURE ON THE WALKWAY THAT WILL ALLOW SOMEONE TO SEE WHAT IT MEANS WHEN WE SAY REFLECTION.
BECAUSE THE SCULPTURE ITSELF, AS YOU SAW PREVIOUSLY, IS REALLY HALF OF THE FACE, WHICH LIES ABOVE THE WATER.
THE REFLECTION COMPLETES THE IMAGE, AND THAT HENCE ITS NAME.
SO THIS IS A VIEW, UH, LOOKING JUST OFF OF THAT BENCH.
YOU CAN SEE SOMEONE SITTING ON THE BENCH AND YOU SEE THE SCULPTURE, HOW IT'S PRESENTED.
THE CAPTIONS ON THIS SCREEN MIGHT BE BLOCKING SOME OF THE VIEW, BUT HERE I THINK YOU CAN SEE IT.
WELL, THE REFLECTION ON IN THE WATER BODY, UH, COMPLETES THE IMAGE.
AND ABOVE, UH, THE SIDE OF HER FACE, YOU SEE A PLANT FEATURE, WHICH OVER TIME WILL GROW AND WILL INCORPORATE ITSELF INTO THE SCULPTURE ITSELF.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO SYMBOLIZE SOMEWHAT OF HER HAIR.
AND SO IT'S, UH, SORT OF AN HOMAGE TO HOW THE SCULPTURE WORKS INTO THE ENVIRONMENT AND HOW THEY WORK TOGETHER.
THIS IS A DIFFERENT VIEW, UM, MOSTLY OF THE SAME AREA.
AND YOU CAN GET A BETTER PERSPECTIVE OF HOW IT'LL LOOK LIKE SITTING ON THAT BENCH.
HERE'S, UH, AN IMAGE OF THE LOCATION.
IT'S SHIELDED FROM VIEW IN PART BY THE FOLIAGE, BUT ONCE YOU TURN THE CORNER, YOU'RE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED BY THIS PIECE OF ARC.
YOU A, YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT OTHERWISE.
AND WHEN YOU COME TO IT, YOU'LL THEN SEE THE WATER BODY, THE SCULPTURE ITSELF AND ITS REFLECTION.
SO, UM, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO RECEIVE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION FROM
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STAFF.WE'VE BEEN TO THE OREGON PUBLIC PLACES COMMITTEE.
THEY'VE RECOMMENDED FAVORABLY.
WE WILL BE GOING TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL OF SUBJECTS OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, SIMPLE CONSENT APPROVAL OF HOW WE WOULD PAY FOR THIS.
THERE'S A 2% PAYMENT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE ARE EXCEEDING WE'RE, OUR CLIENT IS PAYING MORE THAN THE REQUIREMENT TO MAKE SURE THIS PROJECT IS AN INTEGRATED WHOLE AND IS A SUCCESS WHEN IT COMES TO MAINTENANCE.
IT'LL BE MAINTAINED OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS OR A SPEC SPECIFICATIONS BY THE ARTIST IN THESE, UH, DOCUMENTS AND DESIGN DOCUMENTS.
AND IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THE CITY, UM, IS OBLIGATED TO MAINTAIN AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THAT'S THE, THE, UH, AGREEMENT.
THEY WOULD MAINTAIN IT, WE WOULD BUILD IT.
THAT'S HOW WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS JOINT PROJECT.
UM, BOARD MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT RIGHT IN, IN TERMS OF THE, OF THE MAINTENANCE? UM, 'CAUSE I'M ON THE BOARD OF, UH, OF AN ART MUSEUM HERE AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME, THERE ARE ALWAYS CHALLENGES, I WOULD SAY, WITH THE OUTDOOR SCULPTURES AND WHATNOT.
HAVE YOU GUYS GOTTEN ASSURANCES IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS SCULPTURE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, AFFECTED BY THE ELEMENTS HERE IN MIAMI? UM, YOU KNOW, AND HAS THE ARTIST YES.
HAVE YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT? DO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC, UM, SPECS ON WHAT KINDS OF MATERIALS, PAINT, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF THING THAT, THAT HAS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, A MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE THAT HAS, THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED? BECAUSE THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES IN THE CITY WITH THERE KNOW, WITH ART.
I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF ART.
I LOVE THE THE ARTIST'S WORK, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE GET SOMETHING HERE IN FIVE YEARS, WE'RE NOT GONNA WAKE UP AND IT'S GONNA BE PEELING.
WELL, THERE, THERE WILL BE A FORMAL MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE IN THE COMMISSION AGREEMENT THAT'S PART OF THIS PROJECT.
WHAT WE KNOW FROM THE ARTIST IS THAT THE MATERIAL IS HYDROPHOBIC, IT REPELS WATER AND IT WAS DONE INTENTIONALLY.
IT'S AN AUTOCLAVE AERATED CONCRETE.
IT'S KNOWN IN EUROPE AS CELLULAR CONCRETE.
AND THEN THE COVERING THAT THE REST OF THE MATERIAL IS FORMED BASED ON SAND, CEMENT, AND LIME.
AND IT'S A MATERIAL THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE WATER RESISTANT, AND IT'S ALSO SIMP EASY TO MAINTAIN ACCORDING TO THE ARTIST.
WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY SCHEDULE OF MAINTENANCE, WHICH WILL INCLUDE, AND I CAN GO OVER THAT WITH YOU ONCE A YEAR, BE CLEAN WITH BRUSHES EVERY FIVE YEARS, CLEAN WITH WATER JETS.
AND THERE'LL BE ROUTINE LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE OF THE PARK TO MONITOR THE PLANTING AROUND THE SCULPTURE.
SHOULD A BLOCK COATING BE DAMAGED, COATING MATERIAL IS AVAILABLE LOCALLY FOR REPAIRS, AND SHOULD THE BLOCK NEED TO BE REPLACED, THE ARTIST CAN 3D PRINT IT WITH A REPLACEMENT BLOCK.
I GUESS JUST THE, THE AREA THAT I'M THE MOST INTERESTED IN IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WITH ARTISTS IT'S, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, THE, THE PIECE OF ART ITSELF IS THE PROPRIETARY, YOU KNOW, UM, ASSET I GUESS YOU COULD SAY.
AND SO THEY OFTEN SPECIFY WHAT YOU USE TO CLEAN, WHAT TYPES OF BRUSHES, WHAT TYPES OF, UH, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL, UM, MAINTENANCE.
SO I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE, THAT THE FLEXIBILITY IS INDEED WITH THE CITY OR THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME ACCOMMODATION SO THAT THE CITY IS ABLE TO, IN A COST EFFECTIVE MANNER, MAINTAIN THIS PIECE OF ART.
AND I HAVE A, AS AN EXAMPLE, THERE ARE SOME ARTISTS THAT WILL SAY THAT A CERTAIN KIND OF BLUE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S THE SAME COLOR, BLUE IS NOT THE PAINT THAT HAS TO BE USED, AND IT'S ACTUALLY A PAINT THAT THEY CREATE AND THAT THEY MAINTAIN.
THEN YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THEM AFTER EVERY, EVERY, YOU KNOW, AFTER EVERY YEAR.
SO I, I JUST WANT TO GET A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICITY THERE.
IT'S THE CONCRETE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THE MATERIALITY SOUNDS ENCOURAGING, BUT AGAIN, JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE, THE ONUS THAT THE RESPONSIBILITY LIES WITH THE CITY, NOT WITH AN ARTIST WHO PERHAPS, EVEN THOUGH SHE'S INCREDIBLY, YOU KNOW, AN INCREDIBLY TALENTED PERSON DOES NOT QUITE UNDERSTAND THE PARTICULARS OF, OF SOUTH FLORIDA ENVIRONMENT.
NOW THAT THE POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
I REMEMBER NEGOTIATING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY FOR THE PROJECT ITSELF AND THE PARK, THE CITY ADMINISTRATION MADE A POINT ABOUT NOT HAVING PATRIOT PORTA BECAUSE THAT HAD BEEN A CONCERN ON LINCOLN ROAD, THE PORTUGUESE STONE.
AND SO, UH, WE AVOIDED ANY OF THAT.
AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY ADMINISTRATION ON ALL THOSE ELEMENTS AND TOUCH POINTS.
AND IT WILL BE ADDRESSED TO THE CITY SATISFACTION AND THE COMMISSION AGREEMENT TO WHICH THE CITY IS A PARTY, AS NICK CAN TELL YOU.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY CONCERNS FROM THE CITY'S END ON THAT, THOSE ASPECTS, THEY CAN BE FLESHED OUT IN DETAIL.
BUT FOR NOW, WE CAN SHARE THIS SLIDE THAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME, WHICH PROVIDES INFORMATION.
WHAT WOULD, THAT WAS SHARED TO THE A IPP COMMITTEE ON MAINTENANCE STANDARDS THAT ARE APPLICABLE AS A GENERIC, UH, SUMMARY OF WHAT WILL BE DONE.
BUT THE SPEC SPECIFICS AND THE PARTICULARS CAN
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BE ADDRESSED IN THAT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.WE, WE ARE NEGOTIATING A, A STANDALONE, UH, COMMISSION AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH THE, WITH THE DEVELOPER FOR THIS WORK.
SO ON PAGE 23 OF ON PAGE 23,
UM, IT TALKS ABOUT, EXCUSE ME, PAGE 24, UM, TALKS ABOUT THE BLACKS APPARENT IN THE BACK HEAD MODEL OF ARCHITECTURE DESTROYED BY TIME.
AND THIS PART OF THE SCULPTURE CAN BE VEGETATED.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? SURE.
SO THE, THE IDEA IS THAT THE TREE WILL GROW OUT OF ITS PLANTING AND IT WILL COVER THE BACK OF THE SCULPTURE AND SOME OF THE SIDE OF THE SCULPTURE TO GIVE AN IMAGE OF THE NELLY'S HAIR PER SE.
RIGHT? AND SO THAT'LL BE OVER TIME, IT'LL GROW, IT'LL BE PRUNED, IT'LL BE TRIMMED, BUT IT WILL FILL OUT THE REST OF THE SCULPTURE SIDE AND BACK.
AND THE STONES, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY, THEY'RE RENDERED IN A CELLULITE CONCRETE BLOCKS, WHICH ARE SUPPOSED TO GIVE AN IDEA OF, UH, DISINTEGRATION OVER TIME.
SO IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK IN, IN CONTEXT WITH AND IN CONCERT WITH THE FOLIAGE THAT COMES INTO THE TREE, INTO THE SCULPTURE.
AND I, I THINK IF YOU GO BACK TO SOME OF THE RENDERINGS FROM THE PRIOR ARTWORKS OF PNO, YOU'LL SEE THAT SOME OF THEM ARE RUSTIC.
UH, IN PARTICULAR IN THE MORE MESOAMERICAN THEMES.
LINDSEY, DOES THAT TAKE CARE OF YOU? THAT'S IT.
ANYBODY ELSE? I I HAD A, I HAD A QUESTION.
UM, OH, UM, IT, WHAT WAS MOST INTERESTING TO ME WAS THE STORY BEHIND THIS PIECE.
AND I WAS LOOKING IN THE PLANS AND I WAS LOOKING IN THE ORDER AND COULDN'T FIND WHERE WE, WHERE, WHERE WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT SOMEBODY VISITING THIS WILL UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S ABOUT WHAT THE, THE WOMAN'S NAME WHO IS IN SPARS.
SO, UH, IT WAS ABOUT NEIL NELLY LOCUST AND, UM, AND WHAT HER ROLE WAS AND WHAT THE ROLE OF WOMEN WERE AND THAT PERIOD.
SO WHERE WILL THAT BE LOCATED? WELL, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S IF PLANNED AT THE MOMENT, BUT IT SEEMS APPROPRIATE FOR SOME SORT OF PLAQUE COMMEMORATING SOMETHING, HISTORY OF IT.
THAT WOULD HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE SEEING AND WHY, AND WHY SHE, BECAUSE IT LOOKS IN SOME, IN IT, IT LOOKED A LITTLE MORE GENERIC THAN, THAN THE IMAGE RIGHT.
OF NELLY WHO WAS V UH, YOU KNOW, VERY SPECIFIC AND VIBRANT LOOKING PERSON.
DID, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? NO.
UM, SO IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE, UH, QUESTIONS, UM, THEN I THINK WE GO ON TO, UH, BOARD DISCLOSURES.
THEN WE OPEN IT TO PUBLIC, UH, HEARING.
UH, ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
I SEE NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO COMMENT.
UM, WELL THEN, UH, NO, THEN IF THERE'S NO, NO FURTHER COMMENT THEN WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO EITHER DISCUSS THIS FURTHER, MAKE A MOTION? UM, I WILL SAY MORE, WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THIS, I THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE AT THE HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL, JUST BECAUSE WITH THE STONE AND THE WAY IT LOOKED.
ANYWAY, UM, UH, I, I, I SEE NO REASON NOT TO ACCEPT THIS THE WAY IT IS, AND I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE IT.
UH, IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION OR A SECOND, CAN WE INCLUDE A CONDITION FOR SIGNAGE EXPLAINING THAT WE, THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED? IS THERE AN ADDITION OF A PLAQUE THAT WE THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
RAY, DO YOU ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE A PLAQUE DESCRIBING A PLAQUE OR SIGNAGE OR, OR, OR SOME TYPE OF SIGNAGE? I, I HATE USING THE WORD PLAQUE BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE PLAQUES THAT ARE BEING LITTERED AROUND THE CITY BY THIS, BY OTHER ACTORS IN THE GOVERNMENT, I THINK SHOULD NOT BE COPIED AND MODELED.
SO, SO WITH THE STAFF, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE STAFF'S DESIGN EXPERTISE, THEY WILL COME UP WITH SOMETHING, NOT ONE OF THOSE LIKE PLAQUES THAT ARE IN COLLINS PARK.
IPP HAS, UM, HAS BEAUTIFUL PLAQUES.
I THINK THERE'S, UH, LIZETTE ANTE IS HERE.
UM, THEY'RE STAINLESS STEEL IN GROUND, BEAUTIFUL, ELEGANT, SIMPLE.
UM, SO WE COULD CERTAINLY WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER TO, TO HAVE SOMETHING INTRODUCED.
LIZETTE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, TO ADDRESS
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THE BOARD? GOOD AFTERNOON, ANTE DIRECTOR OF TOURISM AND CULTURE FOR CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.UH, DEBBIE, UM, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT THE LANGUAGE THAT'S GOING TO BE IS REGARDING THE GROWTH, RIGHT? TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE TREE ELEMENT IS IN THE SCULPTURE.
AND I'D LIKE TO ALSO ADD THAT IF WE HAVE ANYTHING THERE THAT WE INCLUDE SOMETHING ABOUT THE INSPIRATION AS IN THE ACKERMAN LETTER IN TERMS OF THE, WHO THE SCULPTURE IS BASED ON IN HER LIFE.
IS THAT, AND THE STORY ABOUT THE WAR, I THOUGHT, YEAH.
THAT COULD BE DONE WITH THE QL OF THAT YEAH.
IT'S ALSO TO, TO MANAGE, UH, RESIDENTS OR VISITORS' EXPECTATIONS AND NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S MEANT TO BE OVERGROWN, NOT THAT THE CITY YEAH.
SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT LANGUAGE, UH, ON THE CLOCK, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE, THE BOARD WOULD ENTERTAIN.
SO A YEAH, ALMOST TO SET THE EXPECTATIONS FROM THE BEGINNING WHEN THE, THE, THE MANGROVES HAVEN'T GROWN IN OR WHATNOT.
SO PEOPLE ARE AWARE THAT THE EVENTUAL EVOLUTION WILL BE QUITE MORE.
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.
SO WE CAN INCLUDE A CONDITION THAT A, SOME TYPE OF SIGNAGE WITH DESCRIPTIVE, UM, LANGUAGE REGARDING THE INTENT BEHIND THE SCULPTURE, UM, AND THE STORY OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SCULPTURE.
SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A MOTION WITH AN ACCEPTED FRIENDLY AMENDMENT AND A SECOND, DO WE, I'LL SECOND IT.
BOARD MEMBERS THAT FINALIZES OUR REGULAR AGENDA FOR APPLICATIONS.
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ONE DISCUSSION ITEM, UH, REGARDING THE STRUCTURE.AND WE HAD PASSED OUT A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 14, UM, 36 PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE.
THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING DESIGNED BY EL MURRAY DIXON.
UM, IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
IT IS CURRENTLY PART OF THE FISHER FEINBERG COLLECTION OF PROPERTIES, UH, OWNED BY THE MIAMI-DADE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD.
UM, SO THIS STRUCTURE IS KIND OF THE THEME OF TODAY'S MEETING HAS BEEN VACANT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, OVER THE PAST, I WOULD SAY 15 YEARS, STAFF HAS HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD ABOUT POTENTIALLY AN ADAPTIVE REUSE.
THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER TYPES OF VERY INITIAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP FOR THIS SITE.
UM, BUT FAST FORWARD TO, UH, OCTOBER 1ST, UM, WE WERE NOTIFIED, WE GAVE, WERE GIVEN FORMAL NOTICE BY THE MIAMI-DADE COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT THEIR INTENT IS TO FULLY DEMOLISH THE BUILDING.
UM, THEY BELIEVE THE DEMOLITION IS SCHEDULED.
IT WILL BE SCHEDULED TO START ON OCTOBER 14TH.
I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, IT WILL START ON THAT PARTICULAR DATE.
SO I DON'T WANNA, UM, MISREPRESENT.
BUT ACCORDING TO THEIR NOTICE, THAT IS WHEN THEY INTEND TO, TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING, UM, THEY HAVE PROVIDED STAFF WITH SOME STRUCTURAL, SOME VERY BASIC STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS.
THEY DO BELIEVE THE, THE BUILDING IS AN EXTREME STATE OF DISREPAIR, UM, AND CANNOT STRUCTURALLY BE SAVED.
THEY HAVE, UM, THEIR OWN PERMITTING ACCORDING TO THE STATE LAW.
THE MIAMI-DADE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD IS EXEMPT FROM LOCAL PERMITTING AGENCIES.
SO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BUILDING OFFICIAL AND THEIR OWN BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.
SO THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO COME TO THE CITY TO OBTAIN SUCH OF A, ANY BUILDING PERMIT OR A DEMOLITION PERMIT.
UM, SO I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR, FOR NOTIFYING US THAT THEY HAVE ISSUED THEMSELVES A, A DEMOLITION PERMIT.
UM, SECTION TWO POINT 13.1 D TWO OF THE CITY CODE DOES REQUIRE THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD BE GIVEN NOTICE.
UM, WHICH IS WHY I PLACED THIS ON THE AGENDA.
I'M SORRY, IT WAS KIND OF A LAST MINUTE, UM, INTRODUCTION TO THE AGENDA, BUT I DID WANT TO NOTIFY ALL OF YOU THAT THIS, THE DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE DOES APPEAR TO BE IMMINENT, UH, DURING OUR CONVERSATIONS, AND NICK WAS, WAS INVOLVED IN THESE MEETINGS AS WELL WITH THE COUNTY SCHOOL
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BOARD, WE DID ADVISE THEM THAT WHILE THEY MAY BE EXEMPT FROM, UM, OUR BUILDING PERMIT PROCESSES, UH, WE DO, IT IS OUR POSITION THAT THEY ARE NOT EXEMPT FROM OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION REGULATIONS.AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE, AFTER THE FACT CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUIREMENTS FOR DEMOLITION.
THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE, INCLUDE THAT ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION COME BEFORE THIS BOARD, UM, FOR THEIR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
DID YOU GET ANY RESPONSE TO THAT, UM, STATEMENT OF BELIEF VERBALLY? WE, WE DID.
UM, THEY DIDN'T SEEM TO OBJECT TO THAT VERBALLY.
I, I THINK THE, THE, THE SCHOOL BOARD UNDERSTOOD OUR POSITION.
UM, OUR POSITION IS CONSISTENT WITH, WITH FLORIDA LAW THAT THAT SCHOOL BOARD PROPERTY IS SUBJECT TO LOCAL COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND, AND OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, UH, ORDINANCE IS IN THE LDRS.
OUR COMP PLAN ALSO PROVIDES FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
UM, WE, THE POSITION WE'RE TAKING IS, IS CONSISTENT WITH, UH, WITH THE POSITION WE'VE TAKEN IN THE PAST.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE POSITION THAT THE CITY OF CORAL GABLES HAS TAKEN WITH REGARD TO HISTORIC PROPERTY.
UM, SO, UH, BUT THAT SAID, WE'VE NOT RECEIVED A, A, UH, A WRITTEN RESPONSE, UM, UH, ON, YOU KNOW, ON AS TO THE LDRS INCOMPETENT GO AHEAD.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THEY CAN ISSUE THEMSELVES A PERMIT FOR DEMOLITION, BUT STILL HAVE TO COME TO US FOR AN AFTER THE FACT.
THAT'S OUR, OUR POSITION IS THAT, BUT THAT THEY CAN, IT SEEMS KIND OF DISJOINTED.
WELL, OUR, OUR UNDERSTANDING, REMEMBER THERE'S AN EXCEPTION IN OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, UM, TO THE REQUIREMENT OF PRIOR HPB REVIEW OF, OF ANY DEMOLITION.
THERE'S AN EXCEPTION WHEN DEMOLITION IS ORDERED ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS THAT DOESN'T ABSOLVE THE SCHOOL BOARD FROM FI FROM THE REQUIREMENT TO FILE AN AFTER THE FACT APPLICATION OR FROM SEEKING APPROVAL FOR, FOR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, IS GONNA TAKE THE BUILDING'S PLACE.
UM, SO OUR UNDERSTANDING BASED ON OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM IS THAT THE BUILDING IS UNDER, IS, IS IN A, IS IN A STATE, AS DEBBIE PUT IT, OF OF EXTREME DISREPAIR.
UM, SO WE HAVE REQUESTED CONFIRMATION THAT THIS IS IN FACT ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK.
I MEAN, BECAUSE IF IT'S AN UNSAFE STRUCTURES, YOU KNOW, IN AN OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CONTEXT, IF IT'S AN UNSAFE STRUCTURE AND THERE'S AN EMERGENCY ORDER FOR DEMOLITION, THAT'S ONE THING.
AND SO IT'S AT LEAST BEING PORTRAYED TO US AS FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD'S PERSPECTIVE.
IT IS QUOTE UNQUOTE AN EMERGENCY AND WE'RE WAITING FOR CONFIRMATION ON THAT.
IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND? YES, IT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF AN UNSAFE STRUCTURES ORDER, BUT THAT'S FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD'S OWN BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
UM, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UH, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW DID THE SCHOOL BOARD GET OWNERSHIP OF THIS PROPERTY? I MEAN, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THIS, THIS BUILDING IS PART OF A LARGER PARCEL THAT HAS SCHOOL FACILITIES ON IT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ACQUIRED IT OR WHEN THEY ACQUIRED IT.
I BET YOU IF YOU LOOK, IT'S GOT A MUCH, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL DRAWING WHEN THIS WAS BUILT, IT HAS A REGULAR LOT SIZE AND IT WAS MAYBE ATTACHED TO SOMETHING ELSE OR WHATEVER.
'CAUSE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER HOMES ALONG THAT AREA.
I'VE SEEN THIS BUILDING, YOU KNOW, MANY TIMES AND RIDING MY BIKE BY, AND I ALWAYS WONDERED IS HOW COULD THIS JUST BE SITTING HERE AND NOTHING HAPPENING TO IT.
HAS ANYONE FROM THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH BUILDING DEPARTMENT REVIEW THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THIS BUILDING TO THIS POINT? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
AND I, I, I THINK WE WOULD NEED SCHOOL BOARD'S PERMISSION TO BE, TO, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO ARE THERE, BRINGING THIS DISCUSSION UP TO US, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU NEED FROM US TO HELP, UM, EITHER DEFENSIVELY TO KIND OF MAKE SURE WE KNOW AS MUCH ABOUT THIS BUILDING BEFORE IT, IT IS POTENTIALLY DESTROYED? IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S REALLY WHAT HAPPENED.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, SURVEYING IT, DOING THE DRAWINGS, KIND OF LOOKING AT THE, SOME OF THE HISTORY OF IT, SO WE HAVE A RECORD OF IT.
CAN WE HELP WITH, WITH THAT? OR IS THERE ON THE MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PROGRESSIVE SIDE OF THINGS, TRYING TO FIND A WAY, UH, TO STALL THIS SO THAT MAYBE
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THERE'S A, MAYBE THERE'S A THIRD ALTERNATIVE THAT WOULD BE SOME KIND OF SHARING OF THE SPACE FOR, UH, OTHER USAGE OR, I, I DON'T KNOW.I'M JUST KIND OF GRABBING AT STRAWS HERE.
I DON'T, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THOSE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THIS BOARD'S AUTHORITY, YOU, YOU ARE RECOMMENDING BODY AND I THINK IT WOULD BE PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY TO TRANSMIT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THIS BOARD MAY HAVE TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.
UM, WHETHER OR NOT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ENFORCEABLE IS, IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO, TO CONSIDER MORE.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THE BOARD HAS DONE IN THE PAST WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY.
UM, IS, IS WHEN A DEMOLITION ORDER HAS BEEN ISSUED, YOU, YOU THEN THE CODE ACTUALLY REQUIRES YOU TO BE NOTIFIED AND THEN TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AS TO ANY, ANY MITIGATING WORK THAT COULD BE DONE, INCLUDING PERHAPS DOCUMENTATION, UM, INCLUDING URGING THEM TO, YOU KNOW, GET A SECOND OPINION IN TERMS OF THE STRUCTURE, ET CETERA.
HOW DO WE KNOW THIS BUILDING IS READY TO FALL DOWN? OTHER THAN THEM TELLING US THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK TO ME
IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO, THEY COULD GO IN AND RESTORE THAT BUILDING.
THAT'S MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEY'RE TELLING US, OH NO, IT'S READY TO FALL DOWN AND WE HAVE TO TEAR IT DOWN AND TEAR IT DOWN BY THE 14TH OF OCTOBER.
I I CAN JUST GIVE YOU SOME, SOME ANECDOTAL FIRSTHAND INFORMATION AS WELL.
I'M NOT A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.
I DO NOT HAVE ANY ABILITY TO ANALYZE WHETHER A BUILDING IS GONNA COLLAPSE OR NOT.
BUT FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN MY, I ACTUALLY WENT INTO THAT BUILDING PROBABLY 12 YEARS AGO, AND THERE WERE SOME, FROM MY OBSERVATIONS, FROM MY LAY PERSON OBSERVATIONS, SOME SERIOUS CONCERNS.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A TREE THAT'S GROWING INTO THE BUILDING AND IT HAS KIND OF LIFTED THE BUILDING IN CERTAIN PLACES.
AND I DID WITNESS SIGNIFICANT CRACKS.
WHETHER THOSE ARE STRUCTURAL CRACKS, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, BUT FROM MY PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS, I, I THINK THE BUILDING HAS LONG HAD SOME SERIOUS STRUCTURAL DEFICIENCIES.
UM, CERTAINLY THAT'S WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE.
THEY HAVE BEEN BEEN TRYING TO KEEP THE BUILDING SECURE.
I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES WITH PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THEY HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE FROM RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPLAINING ABOUT PEOPLE BREAKING IN TO THE BUILDING, UM, UNSAFE UNCLEAN CONDITIONS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO I AM AWARE THAT THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP THEIR BUILDING BOARDED UP AND FENCED.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S KIND OF AN ONGOING PROBLEM WITH THE, WITH CERTAIN PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
I DON'T HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION.
DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG THEY'VE OWNED THAT BUILDING? AT LEAST 15 YEARS.
I MEAN, SINCE, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
IF A CHOICE I, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT WOULD YOU, WELL, YOU CAN MAKE, I, YOUR POWER LIES WITH ONLY MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AT THIS POINT.
UM, AND WE ARE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO TRANSMIT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE SCHOOL BOARD SO WE CAN MAKE A LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS.
ONE, WE'D LIKE TO SEE A SECOND OPINION.
I'M, I'M JUST THROWING 'EM OUT.
THEY'RE NOT AS THEIR FINAL ONES, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, THOROUGH DOCUMENT SUR SURVEY, LIKE HABS LEVEL DOCUMENTATION OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS SO THAT, UH, WITH DETAILS AND UM, 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT HAS SOME, SOME VERY NICE DETAILS IN TERMS OF HOW THE, THE WINDOWS AND DOORS ARE INSET.
UM, THERE'S SOME CORNER COIN KIND OF DETAILS, UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE A FIREPLACE, MAYBE NOT.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, BUT, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN I GUESS OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD ASK FOR.
SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU MENTIONED SOME HABS LEVEL DETAIL.
WHAT DID YOU SAY? I WAS THINKING OF, OF THE LEVEL OF DETAILS THAT WE WERE ASKING OF ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE APPLICANTS TODAY TO PROVIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT INSTEAD OF MOVING, THEY WERE GONNA TEAR DOWN.
UM, SO THAT WE CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND THE, HOW THE PIECES COME TOGETHER.
AND YEAH, I MEAN, I WAS THINKING ALONG THE LINES OF, I KNOW DATA HERITAGE TRUST HAD A PRESENTATION A WHILE BACK ABOUT LIKE 3D DOCUMENTATION, UM, DONE, YOU KNOW MM-HMM.
I MEAN, I THINK KIND OF PART OF WHAT IS MISSING IS, I DON'T KNOW, OTHER THAN LIKE THE DESIGN ELEMENTS, WHAT'S THE HISTORY BEHIND THIS STRUCTURE? YOU KNOW, LIKE
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WHAT WAS IT, HOW DID IT GET INCORPORATED? YOU KNOW, THOSE PIECES ARE KIND OF MISSING.UM, SO I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST DOCUMENT THAT HISTORY, UM, WHATEVER THAT IS TO THE EXTENT THAT IT EXISTS OR IS IMPORTANT.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE, AFTER THE FACT CONDITIONS, REMIND ME AGAIN, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE ONE THAT WE JUST DID A NOT TOO LONG AGO.
UM, THE, UH, I IVER ROSE ESTATE THAT WAS, IS OR WAS AN AFTER THE FACT? I CAN'T REMEMBER.
HAVE THEY, HAVE THEY COME BACK TO US FOR THE, AFTER THE FACT? NORTHWAY ROAD? NO, NOT AT PALM ON THE, ON, IN PALM VIEW ON, UH, DAD WATERWAY.
UM, BUT THE CONDITION, UH, THE AFTER THE FACT, IN ORDER TO GET AN, AFTER THE FACT DEMOLITION PERMIT, WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS, I GUESS NORMALLY? SO OUR CIRCUMSTANCES, YEAH, OUR, AFTER THE FACT, UM, PROVISIONS FOR DEMOLITION, UM, HAVE TWO PRESUMPTIONS.
THE FIRST PRESUMPTION IS THAT IF, UM, IF THE PROJECT OR IF THE DEMOLISHED BUILDING SATISFIES THE, UM, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR RECONSTRUCTION, THEN THE, THE PRESUMPTION IS THIS BOARD WOULD REQUIRE THE HISTORIC BUILDING TO BE RECONSTRUCTED IT THAT MAY BE REBUTTED IF, IF THE APPLICANT DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT IT SATISFIES THOSE CRITERIA, THOSE CRITERIA ARE THINGS LIKE, OR IS THERE AVAILABLE HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION TO ALLOW FOR AN ACCURATE RECONSTRUCTION.
UM, IS THE BUILDING ONE OF THE LAST OF ITS KIND, UM, IS IT IMPORTANT TO RECONSTRUCT THE BUILDING FOR THE EDUCATION OF, UM, OF THE PUBLIC? SO THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET FOR REC FOR RECONSTRUCTION TO BE A RECOMMENDED TREATMENT FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
THAT, SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST, UM, STEP FOR THE APPLICANT.
THE SECOND, UM, PRESUMPTION WOULD BE OKAY IF THEY'VE REBUTTED THAT AND THE BOARD IS NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS IS A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR RECONSTRUCTION.
THE SECOND PRESUMPTION IS THAT ANY NEW BUILDING SHALL NOT EXCEED THE EXISTING HEIGHT AND SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING BUILDING.
SO THAT IF WE GET TO THE SECOND PRESUMPTION, YOU COULD APPROVE A NEW BUILDING, BUT THAT NEW BUILDING COULD BE NO LARGER THAN THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING BUILDING.
THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS THE ABILITY TO REBUT THAT.
UM, THERE ARE MAYBE FOUR CRITERIA THAT ALLOW, UM, SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO REBUT THAT TO THE BOARD.
IF THE BOARD AGREES THAT THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING SHOULD NOT BE LIMITED, THEN THE BOARD CAN APPROVE UP TO THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT.
CAN, CAN THE BOARD DIRECT THE APPLICANT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE TO PROVIDE US WITH SOME SORT OF REPORT THAT PROVIDES US WITH SOME OF THE RESEARCH THAT YOU MENTIONED, SOME OF THE HISTORICAL UNDERPINNINGS THAT WE ARE NOT AWARE OF, GIVEN THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, QUASI-JUDICIAL, YOU KNOW, BODY OR WHATEVER THAT, THAT, BECAUSE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WITHIN KIND OF THE NORMAL ORDER OF BUSINESS HERE, WE HAVE TO RECEIVE SOME SORT OF REPORT FROM THEM SO THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE, THAT BASIC CONTEXT IS THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY HAVE IF IT HAD GONE THROUGH LIKE REGULAR ORDER, LET'S SAY.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND WE CAN CERTAINLY REQUEST THAT FOR INFORMATION TO BE, TO BE DELIVERED TO THE BOARD.
SO I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SPEAKING OUT OF TURN, BUT I'D KINDA LIKE TO GO ON RECORD THAT I'M, I'M KIND OF DISAPPOINTED HONESTLY, UM, THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD ONE WOULD ALLOW THIS TO GET TO THIS LEVEL AND, AND NOT MAKE ANY SORT OF A, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, FISHER FEINBERG, I WAS JUST THERE, UM, THREE WEEKS AGO.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF OUR MOST UNDERSERVED, YOU KNOW, IT SERVES ONE OF OUR MOST UNDERSERVED POPULATIONS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MAKING GRAND EFFORTS ON RESTORING THE COURTYARD AND MAKING IT, YOU KNOW, UM, A PLACE WHERE THE CHILDREN CAN COME AND LEARN AND BE INTERACTIVE AND TO ALLOW THIS STRUCTURE THAT BELONGS TO THE, THE SCHOOL BOARD, YOU KNOW, TO JUST KIND OF DETERIORATE.
I'M A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTED THAT, AND, AND I, I HAVEN'T, I HADN'T GIVEN IT A WHOLE LOT OF THOUGHT BECAUSE THERE'S
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ALSO A STRUCTURE RIGHT BEHIND IT THAT WAS MAYBE JCSI CAN'T REMEMBER.UM, JEWISH COMMUNITY SERVICES POSSIBLY RIGHT BEHIND IT.
THERE WAS, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT A FEW YEARS AGO.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE THAT WENT.
AND I MEAN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I THINK WE ALL KNOW, BUT LIKE THE SCHOOL BACKS UP TO ESPANOLA WAY, RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, IT'S ALL RIGHT THERE IN THIS VERY, THIS THIS DISTRICT THAT WE'VE SEEN SO MUCH REVITALIZATION AND RESTORATION IN.
UM, IT'S JUST DISAPPOINTING TO SEE THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS I THINK ABOUT IT, I DON'T KNOW THAT I FEEL LIKE THE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN VACANT AND UNUSED PROBABLY THE ENTIRE TIME I'VE LIVED HERE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT MAYBE THAT WAS JUST A DECISION OF THE SCHOOL BOARD NOT TO UTILIZE IT, BUT TO ALLOW IT TO THEN JUST FALL INTO DISREPAIR.
I, I JUST, I WANT TO BE CLEAR, I UNDERSTAND THAT STATE LAW, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN REQUIREMENTS, BUT FOR THEM TO JUST LET IT SIT THERE AND DETERIORATE SUCH TO THE POINT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED AND THEN LET US KNOW, YOU KNOW, 13 DAYS IN ADVANCE, UM, IT IS DISAPPOINTING.
I JUST, THE COMMUNICATION COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER.
IT IT'S MY OPINION THAT OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS, THEY'VE HAD NO INTENTION OF SPENDING THE MONEY TO RENOVATE IT.
AND NOW THAT IT'S TO THE POINT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN, THEY'LL TEAR IT DOWN.
AND MY GUESS IS THEY'LL BUILD NOTHING ON THAT LOT.
THAT LOT WILL JUST BECOME, UM, A GRASSED AREA FOR, FOR THE SCHOOL.
MAYBE THEY'LL PUT A, A, YOU KNOW, A VOLLEYBALL COURT OR SOMETHING THERE.
I, MY OPINION IS THEY'RE NOT PLANNING TO BUILD ANYTHING.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT THEY, THEY HAVE ADVISED US THAT THEY HAVE NO IMMINENT PLANS FOR THAT SITE.
AND I WILL BET YOU ANYTHING, SOMEBODY LEFT IT TO THEM, SOMEBODY DIED AND LEFT IT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THIS? THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
WELL, I, I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF PROPERTY SEARCH, WHICH ISN'T EASY ON THE COUNTY SITE, I THINK IT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE LOCAL.
I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY FIND STUFF HERE, LIKE POSSIBLY A BUILDING CARD FOR IT.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE AUGUST GEIGER AUDITOR, UM, GYMNASIUM.
IT, IT'S PART OF, UM, IT'S PART OF A CLUSTER OF, OF CONSTRUCTION AROUND THAT TIME, JUST AT THE BEGINNING OF WORLD WAR II.
I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT, I MEAN, TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT IT AND TO PHOTO DOCUMENT IT AND TO DO ALL THAT STUFF, UM, IF WE CAN, I APOLOGIZE.
I JUST GOT A MESSAGE SITTING NEXT TO LINDSAY, HAS THAT, UM, EFFECT.
I, I GOT A MESSAGE THERE WAS AN LTC THIS MORNING REGARDING THE DEMO, AND I THOUGHT WE HAD A COPY, SO I WANTED TO LISTEN.
AND THAT ACTUALLY WENT OUT BEFORE WE, I MEAN, AFTER I PRINTED EVERYTHING.
SO WE DID NOT HAVE THAT MM-HMM.
UM, THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAN WHAT I'VE GIVEN YOU.
UM, I BET WE COULD FIND, WE COULD FIND MORE.
I MEAN, NOT THAT THIS IS GONNA SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF THIS BUILDING IMMINENTLY BEING TORN DOWN, BUT I THINK WHILE IT'S UP, WE NEED TO TAKE ALL AT ADVANTAGE THAT WE CAN OF UNDERSTANDING IT'S, UH, WHAT IT IS.
AND MAYBE THEY, MAYBE THE MOST THEY CAN DO IS GIVE PERMISSION TO, UM, IU STUDENTS
OF FIU STUDENTS TO GO IN AND, UH, AND DO SOME SURVEYING.
BUT, UM, NO, BUT ANYBODY TO GO IN, I WOULD, I WOULD ARGUE THAT A PROFESSIONAL FIRM WOULD BE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MOST WOULD, WOULD, WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK, UM, I THINK WE COULD PROPOSE IT.
MAYBE THE COMMISSION WOULD, UH, ALLOW IT.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE A HUGE EXPENSE TO SURVEY, BUT IT'S PART OF OUR HERITAGE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT PARTICULARLY CONCERNS THIS BOARD.
AND, UM, I THINK THE CITY, AND IT'S IN, IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN A CORE AREA OF, OF BUILDING, OF HISTORIC BUILDING FOR THE CITY.
IT'S NOT JUST LIKE A LONE SHARK OUT THERE.
I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, BUT IT'S GONNA BE TORN DOWN IN LESS THAN A WEEK,
I DON'T SEE HOW WE'RE GONNA GET ANYTHING DONE BEFORE THEY TURN IT DOWN.
SO I, I, THAT'S WHAT, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
YOU KNOW, I, MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S A, I MEAN THEY'VE GIVEN US THIS DATE, BUT, UH, AS WE ALL KNOW IN CONSTRUCTION DATES CHANGE AND PROJECT TIMELINE SHIFT.
SO I MEAN, PERHAPS THAT'S SOME DISCUSSION THAT COULD BE HAD IMMEDIATELY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CAN WE UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO DO THIS, BUT COULD THEY HOLD OFF PENDING SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, A THING OR, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO OF THESE THINGS.
I MEAN, IF IT'S, IF AS I RECALL, IT'S BEEN SITTING
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VACANT, FENCED OFF, NOT USED FOR, YOU KNOW, THE NINE OR ALMOST 10 YEARS I'VE LIVED HERE, UM, ONE WEEK, TWO WEEKS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THAT GONNA HURT? AND IS THERE, IS THERE FLEXIBILITY? WOULD THEY BE FLEXIBLE TO THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION.I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR RESPONSE IS GOING TO BE, BUT YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT THE DEMOLITION BE DELAYED IN ORDER TO GIVE, UM, ADDITIONAL TIME FOR DOCUMENTATION TO BE MADE FOR THE DETAILED DOCUMENTATION TO BE PERFORMED ON THE BUILDING YET.
UM, BUT DIDN'T, DIDN'T YOU SAY WE HAVE NO SAY OVER WHAT THEY DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY? NO, NO, NO.
THE, THE, THE SCHOOL BOARD IS SUBJECT TO OUR COMP PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, AND THAT INCLUDES OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE.
WHAT THEY ARE EXEMPT FROM IS OUR REVIEW, UM, OF, OF, UH, OF, OF BUILDING PERMITS.
SO, YOU KNOW, OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL CAN'T, UH, REQUIRE A PERMIT FOR, SO IN OTHER WORDS, THEY COULD TEAR THAT DOWN AND 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT FROM US, THEY COULD BUILD WHATEVER THEY WANT THERE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, THEY'RE STILL BOUND BY OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
SO, AND MAYBE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE WAY THAT I'M LOOKING AT THIS IS IT'S AS IF UNSAFE STRUCTURES HAS ORDERED THEM TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING.
WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO STOP THAT.
THEY ARE THEIR OWN, IF YOU WILL, UNSAFE STRUCTURES BOARD.
AND SO THEY'VE SAID IT NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED, IT'S IMMINENT THREAT OR EMERGENCY QUESTION.
UM, AND THEREFORE WE'RE GONNA DEMOLISH IT, BUT STILL, IN ORDER TO, UM, WE HAVE TO, THEN THEY HAVE TO COME TO US FOR THE, AFTER THE FACT CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION AS ANYBODY WOULD.
AND THEN THOSE CONDITIONS THAT DEBBIE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A, THERE'S A PRESUMPTION THAT IT HAS TO BE REBUILT, BUT IT CAN BE REBUTTED, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP.
UM, IF THEY DECIDE TO DO ANYTHING YES.
WHEN THEY HAVE TO COME TO US FOR AN, WELL, NO, AS A CONDITION OF THE, AFTER THE FACT, THERE IS A REBUTTABLE PRESUMPTION THAT THE BUILDING HAS TO BE RECONSTRUCTED, PERIOD.
NOW THEY COULD REBUT THAT PRESUMPTION AND DEBBIE WENT THROUGH THAT, BUT THERE'S A REBUTTAL PRESUMPTION THAT IT HAS TO BE RECONSTRUCTED.
AND MAYBE PART OF THE, UM, LANGUAGE THAT CAN BE USED, UH, WOULD EMPHASIZE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CONSIDER, UH, THE BUILDINGS, THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS TO BE, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY DRIVERS, UM, ECONOMIC DRIVERS, BUT ALSO EDUCATIONAL DRIVERS AND ENVIRONMENTAL DRIVERS THAT NOT TEARING SOMETHING DOWN AND PUTTING IT IN A LANDFILL AND SHOWING THE NEXT GENERATION THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE REUSING AND RECYCLING AND RE AND ADAPTING RATHER THAN THROWING AWAY IS, IS A, IS A MEANS TOWARDS SUSTAINABILITY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SAYING THAT MORE ELOQUENTLY THAN I EVER COULD HAVE.
NO, BUT I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING, THAT THIS IS AN EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR, I MEAN, FOR THESE KIDS AND, AND I THINK FURTHER TO THIS DIS GRANDER THAN THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS SPECIFIC TO THIS BUILDING, UM, WOULD BE, THIS IS NEWS TO ME.
YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT MIAMI-DADE COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS COULD, YOU KNOW, ISSUE A PERMIT FOR DEMOLITION BASED ON THEIR OWN CRITERIA.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THEY COULD DO THAT OUTSIDE OF THIS.
AND THAT MAKES ME THINK OF THE BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE THAT IS THE SCHOOL.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS THERE THE OTHER DAY, LITERALLY, AND I'VE BEEN IN AND AROUND THE GROUNDS, BUT IT WAS THE FIRST TIME WHERE I WAS INSIDE WITH THE KIDS, WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, AND IT IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL PLACE AND SUCH A BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE, AND IT'S SO UNIQUE.
UM, AND IT HASN'T LOST THAT UNIQUENESS.
IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE BRAND NEW BUILDING THAT'S BUILT IN THE SUBURBS THAT'S LIKE STATE OF THE ART, BUT THEY'VE, THEY'VE TAKEN THIS EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND MADE IT, UM, A GREAT PLACE FOR THESE KIDS TO LEARN.
AND I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT.
AND WHILE I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN AN ACTIVE SCHOOL, THAT'S LIKE BEING USED, AND I DON'T EXPECT THAT TO HA, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I MEAN, MAYBE WE CAN INVITE THEM TO COME FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION ITEM ABOUT PRESERVATION AT THE SCHOOL AND THAT SORT OF THING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA SEE US LOSE THAT ASSET, THAT RESOURCE, AND, AND THIS SCARES ME.
HOW'S THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT TOO.
MAYBE WE COULD ALSO, I KNOW WE'RE THROWING OUT SOME MANY IDEAS HERE, BUT YOU JUST MADE ME THINK OF SOMETHING.
UM, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING IF, UH, IF THEY HAVE A DESIGNEE THAT COULD COME ON BEHALF
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OF THE SCHOOL BOARD, WHETHER IT'S ACTUALLY A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT SO THEY COULD HELP US TO, TO GET TO A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH, UH, AS TO WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO HERE.AND, AND MAYBE WE'RE JUST MISINTERPRETING THINGS AND WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE MORE ENGAGEMENT PERHAPS.
I MEAN, I, I GET THE IMPRESSION THAT CERTAINLY THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE SCHOOL BOARD, YOU KNOW, ARE FOCUSED ON, YOU KNOW, THAT INSTITUTION AND, AND I MEAN, IT IS A CORE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND IT'S A CORE TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN, REALLY LIKE, THAT IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE KIDS LIVING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ARE GONNA PUBLIC SCHOOL.
THEY'RE NOT, BY AND LARGE, THEY'RE NOT BEING SHIPPED OFF TO PRIVATE SCHOOL
THEY WALK, THEY, THEY WALK, THEY RIDE THEIR SCOOTERS.
I WAS ACTUALLY, I WAS ACTUALLY THERE JUST, AND, UH, QUICK ASIDE, I MEAN, I WAS THERE THE OTHER DAY AND I WAS LAUGHING AT ALL THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S FULLY FENCED IN, RIGHT? THE PROPERTY.
AND, UM, WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL, IF YOU RODE YOUR BACK TO SCHOOL, YOU TOOK IT AND YOU LIKE PARKED IT AT THE LITTLE, THE BIKE RACK OR WHATEVER, AND YOU LOCKED IT UP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS EXPOSED.
WE DIDN'T HAVE FENCES ALL AROUND OUR PROPERTY AT THAT POINT.
UM, BUT IT WAS JUST A SMATTERING OF SCOOTERS.
ALL THE KIDS RIDE THEIR LITTLE, LIKE ELECTRIC SCOOTERS TO SCHOOL.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST A UNIQUE PLACE THAT A LOT OF ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, I MEAN, IT'S A K THROUGH EIGHT, UM, BUT A LOT OF SCHOOLS AT, AT THAT, AT THAT LEVEL OUTSIDE OF THIS TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD WOULDN'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF WALKABILITY, THAT TYPE OF ACCESSIBILITY, UM, YOU KNOW, A TRUE LIKE, STAPLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESERVE IT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE, NOT ONLY FROM AN EDUCATION STANDPOINT, BUT A HISTORIC PRESERVATION STANDPOINT.
MR. CHAIR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE OPEN TO TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT.
BUT WE HAVE MITCH NOVI, OF COURSE, WHO'S A REGULAR, SO I DIDN'T WANNA SLIGHT MITCH.
MITCH, ARE YOU THERE? HEY, EVERYBODY.
MITCH NOVIK, LIKE YOURSELVES, I AM BOTHERED BY THE IMPENDING DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE.
IN 2003, 2004, I CHAIRED FORMER MAYOR DER'S BLUE RIBBON PANEL ON THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF BUILDINGS WHERE WE ISSUED A REPORT.
AND I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY PUT THE BLAME ON THE SCHOOL BOARD.
I WOULD LOOK WITHIN QUESTIONS YOU GUYS SHOULD BE ASKING IS, WAS THIS BUILDING CERTIFIED AND RE-CERTIFIED TENURES EVERY 10 YEARS WERE THE MINIMUM MAINTENANCE STANDARDS WITHIN OUR CODE ENFORCED? AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, AS WAS RECOMMENDED IN OUR REPORT, AND I BELIEVE AT ONE TIME WAS IMPLEMENTED OR ADOPTED, IS THERE A DATABASE OF THE VACANT BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE THE MOST THREATENED BUILDINGS WITH DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT? AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO, AND THANKS FOR ACKNOWLEDGING ME, DEBORAH.
THAT, THAT WAS IT FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
SO DOES THE BOARD, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TRANSMIT THAT TO THE CA TO THE, THE SCHOOL BOARD? I HEARD A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS THAT PERHAPS YOU WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION URGING THEM TO DELAY THE DEMOLITION.
SO SUFFICIENT DOCUMENTATION, UM, CAN BE ACHIEVED FOR THE BUILDING PRIOR TO ITS DEMOLITION.
UM, MAYBE REACH OUT AND INVITE ANY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE SCHOOL BOARD OR ANY OF THE SCHOOL MEMBERS TO ATTEND, UM, AN UPCOMING MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD AS PART OF A, AS PART OF AN ONGOING DISCUSSION.
IS THAT, THAT'S A MOTION
YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS FROM REPORT.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT REPORT? MAYBE WE CAN DO A LITTLE DIGGING OURSELVES TO SEE.
I'M NOT, I, I AM FAMILIAR WITH A, A ONGOING, UM, INITIATIVE BY THE CITY'S BUILDING DEPARTMENT CODE COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING PLANNING TO IDENTIFY VACANT BUILDINGS.
UM, BUT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS SPECIFIC REPORT THAT MITCH IS REFERRING TO.
UM, SO, OKAY, SORRY, I GUESS WE NEED A MOTION.
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SUGGESTING, DEBBIE? YES.IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IF WE HAD THE HISTORY OF THIS BUILDING.
AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
I THINK, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE MOTION.
SO I THINK WE WOULD, I'LL, I'LL DO MY BEST TO KIND OF CONSOLIDATE.
UH, TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, ONE, UM, ASK, WELL, I THINK BOTH STAFF AND PERHAPS THE SCHOOL BOARD FOR ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION RELATED TO THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
UM, HISTORIC RESOURCES REPORT, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, TWO, IF THE SCHOOL BOARD WOULD BE AMENABLE.
CAN WE MUTE MITCH? I THINK YOU'RE, I SAID MITCH STILL IN.
MITCH, I THINK YOU'RE STILL, WE GOT, WE, WE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE SCHOOL BOARD WERE, BE AMENABLE TO HOLDING OFF ON DEMOLITION JUST LONG ENOUGH TO GET DOCUMENTATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, WHETHER THAT'S 3D WHAT CHAIR, WHAT IS IT? 3D.
UM, YOU KNOW, PHOTOGRAMMETRY SCANS, ALL KINDS OF PHOTO GEOMETRY.
PHOTOGRAMMETRY IS ONE WAY IN WHICH PHOTOMETRY YOU CAN 3D MAP THE, UM, THE SURFACES SO YOU GET DETAILS FROM THE SURFACE ONTO A STRUCTURE, A 3D STRUCTURE.
AND, UM, IF, AND THEN, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THE SCHOOL BOARD OR REPRESENTATIVES OF THE SCHOOL OR BOTH, UM, YOU KNOW, TO COME, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE BOARD, UM, AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, A CONSTRUCTIVE DISCUSSION ON WHAT THE PLANS ARE FOR THE SCHOOL.
YOU KNOW, FULLY RECOGNIZING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE AN ENTITLEMENT TO DO THIS AT THE STATE LEVEL.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THAT AND, AND TO AN EXTENT I UNDERSTAND WHY I DON'T LIKE IT NECESSARILY, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY.
UM, BUT TO SEE IF WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION RATHER THAN A, A GOTCHA MOMENT, UM, AND SO THAT WE CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND LIKE WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SPACE AND WITH THE STRUCTURE AND THE MM-HMM.
I WILL TRANSMIT THAT TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.
I HAVE NOTHING ELSE, UM, TODAY, SO WE'LL SEE YOU IN NOVEMBER.