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PLEASE STAND BY.

WE ARE GOING ON AIR IN 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE OCTOBER 8TH, UH, MEETING OF THE MIAMI BEACH HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.

AND, UM,

[ATTENDANCE]

I WILL ASK DEBBIE ETT TO START US OFF.

UH, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR.

GOOD MORNING.

BOARD MEMBERS AND EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE.

UM, THIS MORNING, UH, I DID PASS OUT TO THE BOARD MEMBERS AN UPDATED AGENDA.

THIS AGENDA IS ALSO POSTED ONLINE.

UM, THE ONLY CHANGE TO THE AGENDA THIS MORNING IS THERE IS A DISCUSSION ITEM THAT WILL BE HEARD, UH, REGARDING 1436 PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE, AND THAT WILL BE AT THE END OF THE AGENDA.

UH, SO THE ORDER REMAINS THE SAME.

I HAVE NO OTHER UPDATES, BUT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO NICK CLAUSS FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR THE NOTICE REGARDING LOBBYIST REGISTRATION, UM, AND THE SWEARING END OF THE, THE PUBLIC WISHING TO TESTIFY.

THANK YOU, DEBBIE.

AND GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD WILL BE CONDUCTED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH THE BOARD PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AT MIAMI BEACH CITY HALL AND APPLICANT STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM.

TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY IN TODAY'S MEETING, THE PUBLIC MAY DIAL 1-888-475-FOUR 4 9 9 AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 1 7 4 8 3 4 7 4 8 8 POUND, OR LOG INTO THE ZOOM APP AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 1 7 4 8 3 4 7 4 8 8.

ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM? MUST CLICK THE RAISE HAND ICON IF THEY'RE USING THE ZOOM APP, OR DIAL STAR NINE IF THEY'RE PARTICIPATING BY PHONE.

IF YOU'RE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A BUSINESS, A CORPORATION, OR ANOTHER PERSON, YOU NEED TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.

IF YOU HAVEN'T REGISTERED YET, YOU SHOULD REGISTER BEFORE YOU SPEAK TO THE BOARD.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ONLY ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF AND NOT ANY OTHER PARTY, OR IF YOU'RE TESTIFYING AS AN EXPERT WITNESS, PROVIDING ONLY SCIENTIFIC, TECHNICAL, OR OTHER SPECIALIZED INFORMATION OR TESTIMONY IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING, OR IF YOU'RE APPEARING AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION OR REIMBURSEMENT FOR YOUR APPEARANCE TO EXPRESS SUPPORT OF OR OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM.

EXPERT WITNESSES AND REPRESENTATIVES OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SHALL PRIOR TO APPEARING DISCLOSE IN WRITING TO THE CITY CLERK, THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THE PRINCIPLE ON WHOSE BEHALF THEIR COMMUNICATING.

UM, LASTLY, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO SWEAR IN ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR STAFF WILL BE TESTIFYING TODAY.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU.

OKAY, THANK YOU NICK.

[1. September 10, 2024 meeting  ]

UM, BOARD MEMBERS, THE FIRST, UH, ITEM THIS MORNING IS THE APPROVAL OF THE SEPTEMBER 10TH, UH, MEETING MINUTES.

DO WE HAVE ANY EDITS OR A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY.

MOTION AND SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE? YES.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, WE

[2. HPB23-0571, 321 Jefferson Avenue.]

HAVE ONE, UH, DEFERRAL THIS MORNING.

THIS IS HPB 23 0 5 7 1 AT 3 21 JEFFERSON AVENUE.

UH, THIS APPLICATION IS BEING DEFERRED AND WILL REQUIRE A FULL RE-NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC, UM, FOR, FOR THE DATE, IT WILL RETURN TO THE BOARD.

SO NO ACTION IS REQUIRED THIS MORNING FOR THIS.

UM,

[3. HPB24-0626 a.k.a. HPB20-0379, 2901-2911 Indian Creek Drive.]

GOING TO THE FIRST REGULAR AGENDA ITEM, WE HAVE HPV 24 0 6 2 6.

THIS IS 29 0 1 TO 29 11 INDIAN CREEK.

AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING MODIFICATIONS TO A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS, THE RENOVATION, RESTORATION, AND RELOCATION OF ONE BUILDING, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A DETACHED RESIDENTIAL ADDITION AND MULTIPLE VARIANCES FROM THE REQUIRED PEDESTAL AND TOWER SETBACKS, AND TO EXCEED THE PROJECTION ALLOWED IN THE REQUIRED YARDS.

SPECIFICALLY.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR THE TOTAL DEMOLITION AND RECONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TO BE RETAINED AND RELOCATED ON THE SITE.

UM, SO THIS IS A RELATIVELY COMPLEX SITE, UH, LOCATED WITHIN THE COLLINS, UH, WATERFRONT, UH, LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, EXCUSE ME.

UM, THERE WERE THREE BUILDINGS, UH, THE SOUTHERN.

THERE ARE THREE BUILDINGS ON THE SITE.

THE SOUTHERN PARCEL 29 0 1 INDIAN CREEK CONTAINS A TWO STORY, UH, POSTWAR MODERN, UH, BUILDING.

THE NORTHERN PARCEL 29 11 CONTAINS TWO STRUCTURES.

THE WESTERN STRUCTURE ADJACENT TO INDIAN CREEK WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1936 AND DESIGNED BY CHOPPA IN SOUTHWELL AND THE MEDITERRANEAN REVIVAL ART DECO STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE.

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UM, AS NOTED IN THE BACKGROUND SECTION OF OUR ANALYSIS ON JANUARY 12TH, 2021, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD DID APPROVE THE PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDED, UH, THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF BOTH THE 1938 AND 1962 STRUCTURES.

THE, UM, REMAINING STRUCTURE WAS APPROVED TO BE RELOCATED, SO IT WOULD FRONT AN INDIAN CREEK CURRENTLY, UM, IT'S WITHIN THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND IT'S NOT ENTIRELY VISIBLE, SO THEY WERE GOING TO RELOCATE THE STRUCTURE TOWARD INDIAN CREEK AND REORIENT IT.

SO THE FRONT WOULD BE FACING, UM, INDIAN CREEK.

UM, SINCE THAT TIME OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED FOR A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE APPROVED PROJECT.

HOWEVER, DURING THE COURSE OF THE PERMITTING, UM, THEY NOTED AND, AND HAVE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WHO HAS LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY AND HAS NOTED THAT THE, UM, OVERALL STRUCTURAL CONDITIONS OF THE BUILDING DO NOT, UM, FACILITATE.

ITS, ITS MOVING.

UM, THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER HAS SUBMITTED A REPORT SAYING THE BUILDING, THE EXISTING BUILDING IS NOT PROPERLY REINFORCED, WOULD HAVE TO BE CUT INTO MULTIPLE PIECES, AND IT'S LIKELY NOT SALVAGEABLE, UM, TO BE, TO BE RELOCATED.

SO THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS TO ACTUALLY DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE WHILE SALVAGING SOME OF THE MORE ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT FEATURES INCLUDING, UH, THE CURVED ENTRY STAIRS, DECORATIVE PLANTER, AND EXTERIOR TILES THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE REINCORPORATED INTO THE RECONSTRUCTION.

UM, SO BASED ON THOSE REPRESENTATIONS, UM, IN THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED MADE BY THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, OUR STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE DEMOLITION AND RECONSTRUCTION.

UM, WE DO FIND IT, UH, EXTREMELY IMPORTANT NOT ONLY FOR THIS PROPERTY, BUT FOR THE SURROUNDING COLLINS WATERFRONT, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT TO GET THIS PROPERTY BACK TO ACTIVE USE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

THIS HAS BEEN A VACANT SITE, UM, FOR NEARLY, I THINK FOR OVER A DECADE AND HAS CAUSED, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT, UH, CONCERNS WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AS WELL.

UM, STAFF DID NOTE, AND WE HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING THE EXISTING MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S CHALLENGING WHEN YOU HAVE VACANT BUILDINGS TO SECURE SITES.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE, UM, REGULATIONS IN PLACE IN THE CITY TO THAT REQUIRE SECURING OF PROPERTIES, INCLUDING FENCING REQUIREMENTS AND BOARDING REQUIREMENTS.

UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL VIOLATIONS AS OF THE WRITING OF THIS REPORT.

STAFF NOTED THAT THE PROPERTY DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE IN, UM, GOOD CONDITION.

IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE PROPERLY SECURED AND WOULD RECOMMEND THAT ANY APPROVAL BE CONDITIONED UPON THE APPLICANT, UM, OBTAINING A PROPER FENCING PERMIT WITHIN 120 DAYS, UM, TO BE INSTALLED WITHIN 120 DAYS.

SO WITH THAT, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, UM, SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DEBBIE.

RIGHT, GO FOR IT.

JUST I HAVE A QUESTION, DEBBIE.

UM, JUST I, WHEN YOU GUYS, 'CAUSE WE HAVE RELOCATED BUILDINGS BEFORE IN THE CITY, AND I, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY, IT SEEMS LIKE A, A MORE COMPLEX, UM, CASE, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS LIKE HOW YOU GUYS VIEW THAT BECAUSE I'VE, I MEAN, IS IT, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A ALSO AN ENGINEERING REPORT HERE AND I JUST, I WANTED TO KIND OF MAYBE PEEL BACK THE LAYER ABOUT, LAYER, LAYER BACK A LITTLE BIT AND JUST UNDERSTAND LIKE KIND OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE, UH, CAME TO THAT DECISION THAT YOU FEEL THAT THERE'S NO ISSUE FOR DEMOLITION IN THIS CASE.

YEAH, SO WE MET WITH THE, I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CONFIDANT HOTEL, I'M THINKING ABOUT LIKE THAT, BUT THAT WAS A VERY SMALL, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS LIKE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT WE HAD RELOCATED TO THE, TO THE EAST SIDE, I BELIEVE.

NO.

RIGHT.

AND, AND THERE'S ONE ON, UM, JUST SOUTH OF FIFTH STREET THAT WAS RECENTLY SIMILAR PROPERTY.

RELOCATED.

UM, I DON'T WANNA INTERRUPT LINDSAY.

DO YOU HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S VERY CHALLENGING.

WE MET WITH THE APPLICANT SEVERAL TIMES.

WE EXPRESSED OUR CONCERN.

WE EXPRESSED OUR PREFERENCE TO MAINTAIN THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL, UM, AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SHORE UP THE, THE STRUCTURE, EVEN IF IT REQUIRED THE, THE BUILDING TO BE CUT INTO PIECES, WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON WHEN YOU'RE MOVING STRUCTURES FOR, UM, CUTS TO BE MADE IN PROPERTIES.

EACH BUILDING IS VERY UNIQUE.

EACH BUILDING HAS DIFFERENT, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY, UM, MAINTENANCE ISSUES AND LEVELS OF DETERIORATION

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OF ITS STRUCTURE, BUT ALSO WITH THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, RIGHT? SO WHEN, WHEN SOME BUILDINGS DO, UM, WITH THEIR ORIGINAL DESIGN MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO BE LIFTED AND RELOCATED, UM, AND WE DO LOOK AT EVERYTHING ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO, YOU KNOW, PEER REVIEW, A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER'S REPORT.

UM, UH, YOU THINK THERE'S SOME EXPERTISE ON THIS BOARD, UM, MR. MEYER CERTAINLY.

UM, BUT AT THIS POINT WITH THE CONDITIONS OF THE PROPERTY, WE REALLY THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO GET THIS PROPERTY BACK TO ACTIVE USE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

THE FACT THAT THEY ARE ARE PROFFERING TO SALVAGE PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING WOULD MAKE A RECONSTRUCTION MORE AUTHENTIC BY RETAINING ORIGINAL MATERIAL.

UM, AND ULTIMATELY THE FINAL PROJECT WOULD LOOK, WOULD APPEAR TO BE THE SAME AS WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.

UM, RAY, YOU HAD A QUESTION? WELL, YES.

UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S ALREADY A DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR THE, UH, THE, THE BIGGER BUILDING ON THAT LOT.

UM, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN WHEN WELL, THEY NEED TO OBTAIN THEIR FULL BUILDING PERMIT.

SO THERE'S THE LARGER STRUCTURE THAT'S THE POSTWAR MODERN STRUCTURE THAT WAS APPROVED TO BE DEMOLISHED, UM, DUE IN LARGE PART TO THE RECONFIGURATION OF INDIAN CREEK.

WHEN INDIAN CREEK WAS, WAS ELEVATED, THAT BECAME, UM, THAT ACTUAL, THE FLOOR OF THE BUILDING BECAME MUCH LOWER THAN THE SIDEWALK AND THE STREET CREATING A SIGNIFICANT, UM, YOU KNOW, FLOODING AND RESILIENCY ISSUE FOR THE PROJECT.

THAT BUILDING, UM, WHICH IS, HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC IN TERMS OF SECURING THE PROPERTY.

I MEAN, I I WILL SAY THAT I, IN THE PAST, AT LEAST, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS SECURED THE PROPERTY, BUT AS YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A, A WHACK-A-MOLE GAME, RIGHT? IT, IT, IT GETS BROKEN INTO AND IT'S A CONSTANT BATTLE TO RESECURE THE BUILDING, UM, THAT CANNOT BE DEMOLISHED BECAUSE IT WAS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING UNTIL THEY OBTAIN A FULL BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE PROJECT, I BELIEVE, AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT THIS WOULD BE THE LAST PIECE THEY NEED IN ORDER TO OBTAIN THAT FULL BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH WOULD THEN ALLOW THE DEMOLITION OF, OF THE, THE NUISANCE STRUCTURE.

I THOUGHT THE CITY HAD ALREADY, UH, CITED IT AS A, A, A BUILDING THAT NEEDED TO BE TORN DOWN SOONER THAN LATER, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS.

CORRECT.

UM, BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE HAS NOT BEEN AN ORDER ISSUED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR THE REMOVAL OF THAT BUILDING.

OKAY.

AND THE OTHER THING IS, UM, UH, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY THEY WERE JUST GONNA ROTATE THE BUILDING, UM, BUT BECAUSE THE ROAD HAS BEEN RAISED AND EVERYTHING, NOW THEY HAVE TO ROTATE IT AND RAISE IT.

SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM.

WHY THIS BUILDING CAN'T BE SAVED IS IT'S, IT'S ASKING TOO MUCH OF AN OLD GIRL.

AND I'LL, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT, UH, SPEAK MORE TO THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THEIR STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING ANALYSIS.

CAN, AND CAN I ASK ONE, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION? YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, YOU'D NEED DETAILED MEASURED DRAWINGS, UM, TO BE COMPLETED.

CAN, CAN YOU JUST SAY A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT IS? 'CAUSE THAT'S THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, WHAT LEVEL OF DETAIL YOU NEED THEM TO HAVE AND YEAH, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY A BEST PRACTICE WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, ANY DEMOLITION OF A, OF A HISTORIC OR CONTRIBUTING BUILDING IS TO HAVE, UM, VERY DETAILED, LARGER SCALE DRAWINGS.

A QUARTER OF AN INCH, A HALF AN INCH FOR CERTAIN DETAILS SIMILAR TO HOW THE HABS HAIR DRAWINGS WOULD BE.

UM, SO IN TERMS OF THE PROFILE DIMENSIONS AT A MUCH LARGER SCALE, WE THINK THAT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY, UM, HELPFUL WHEN WE DO RECEIVE THE PERMIT FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION, UM, SO THAT WE CAN VERIFY THAT ALL OF THOSE DETAILS ARE ACCURATE, AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

YES, WE'RE READY FOR YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

MORNING EVERYONE.

GRAHAM PENN BUR DALE FERNANDEZ.

LARKIN TAPAN IS 200 SOUTH BISCAYNE BOULEVARD.

I WANTED TO, UH, BEFORE WE STARTED, I WANTED TO, UH, UPDATE EVERYONE ON THE 1962 BUILDING.

'CAUSE THE 1962 BUILDING RECENTLY WAS ORDERED BY THE UNSAFE STRUCTURES BOARD TO BE DEMOLISHED.

SO, AGAIN, THAT, AS DEBBIE SAID, THAT WAS ALWAYS CONTEMPLATED TO BE DEMOLISHED IN THIS PLAN, BUT IS NOW BEEN ORDERED BY THE UNSAFE STRUCTURES BOARD.

SO WE ARE COMMITTED AND I'LL, AND WE HAVE A SLIDE ON THIS I'LL SHOW YOU TO MOVING FORWARD RAPIDLY AS POSSIBLE.

AND AS DEBBIE INDICATED, THIS IS BASICALLY THE LAST STEP, HOPEFULLY TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE NECESSARY PERMITS.

SO, AGAIN, DID I GET MY ADDRESS? 200 SOUTH BASE GAME BELOW, BUT, OH, AND I THINK WE SHOULD DO DISCLOSURES AS WELL, UH, OF

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MEETINGS.

MR. ES, I APOLOGIZE.

UH, WE, WE CAN DO THEM NOW.

WE DO, WE TYPICALLY DO THEM RIGHT BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

YEAH, WE DO A DIFFERENT MOMENT.

YEAH.

SO I'M, I'M FORGETTING THE ORDERS OF OPERATION.

SO LET ME INTRODUCE OUR TEAM TO MY LEFT, OUR ARCHITECT, SEBASTIAN VELA AND REVEREND ROBOT, WHO WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE PRESERVATION ELEMENTS BEHIND ME, MR. ANDY SULLIVAN, OUR, OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.

HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT HIS CONCLUSIONS RELATED TO THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING.

AND BACK THERE SOMEWHERE IS BILL ZITO, UH, FROM OWNERSHIP.

SO IF WE COULD TAKE THE SLIDES UP, I'LL, I'LL TAKE EVERYONE ON A BRIEF TOUR OF THE, OF THE HISTORY AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO ANDY TO TALK ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION.

SO AS DEBBIE INDICATED, THIS IS A COMPLICATED SITE.

SO WE'RE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF 29TH STREET IN INDIAN CREEK, THREE EXISTING BUILDINGS, UH, ON THE PROPERTY.

THE HISTORY STEM, UH, STARTS IN 1936 WHEN THE BUILDING AT ISSUE TODAY WAS BUILT, WHICH IS THE BEST ARCHITECTURAL, UH, EXAMPLE ON THE PROPERTY.

UH, TWO YEARS LATER, AN AN ANNEX, UM, UH, OH, JUST TO TO BE CLEAR, THAT BUILDING FACED SOUTH, SO IT'S BASICALLY, ITS FRONT YARD WAS 29TH STREET.

AND THAT'S BASICALLY TELLS THE STORY ABOUT HOW THINGS GOT MESSED UP IN 19 62, 19 38, UH, ANNEX IS BUILT A VERY PLAIN BUILDING IN COMPARISON.

AND THEN THE POSTWAR BUILDING IN 1962, A LONG BAR BUILDING ALONG, UH, 29TH STREET LINKED TO THE 36TH BUILDING, AWKWARDLY WITH A, A CATWALK, UH, AND BASICALLY RE REARRANGE THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, RIGHT? THE, THE THIRTIES BUILDINGS WERE ESSENTIALLY INVISIBLE SINCE 1962, UH, TO ANYONE.

THIS IS THE APPROVED PLAN, BASICALLY, AS YOU CAN SEE, A THE 1936 BUILDING OCCUPYING PRIDE OF PLACE ON INDIAN CREEK, RAISED TO MODERN STANDARDS, UH, AND ACTIVATED OBVIOUSLY AS WITH RESIDENTIAL USE, WITH A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING BEHIND IT.

NOTHING IN THIS APPLICATION IS CHANGING THAT WHATSOEVER.

THIS IS REALLY JUST THE IMPLEMENTATION OF HOW THAT BUILDING GETS THERE.

UH, AS DEBBIE INDICATED THIS, THIS PROPERTY, LIKE LOTS OF, OF ITS NEIGHBORS, HAS SIGNIFICANT ISSUES WITH ITS, UH, ITS ELEVATION.

THIS IS THE OLD SIDEWALK LEVEL WHERE YOU COULD SEE THAT'S MR. VALEZ FROM, YOU CAN TELL THAT WAS FROM THE PANDEMIC SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WHERE THAT'S, IT WAS BASICALLY AT HIS HEAD, WAS WHAT BASE FLOOD WAS.

AND THIS IS WHAT THE ROAD RAISING HAS DONE TO THE PROPERTY OF INDIAN CREEK.

AND SEE THE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NEW SIDEWALK AND OUR GRADE.

SO THE PLAN FROM THE OUTSET WAS ALWAYS RAISE THIS UP, GET THAT HISTORIC BUILDING UP SO IT'S OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN AND IT CAN, AND IT CAN BE ACTIVATED AND USEFUL FOR DECADES TO COME.

THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS.

NOW IF YOU'RE OUT THERE TODAY, YOU CAN SEE THAT SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE.

SO THIS IS, AGAIN, IS WHAT THE PLAN WILL IMPLEMENT, RIGHT? THERE'S THE 36, THE RECONSTRUCTIVE 36 BUILDING SAFELY OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN MEETING, CURRENT FLOOD REQUIREMENTS.

AND AS WE DISCUSSED WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST, THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, THE BUOYANT CITY PLAN THAT THAT CALLS FOR THAT KIND OF MOVEMENT TO RAISE THOSE BUILDINGS WHEN WE CAN.

SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A VIEW OF THE, UH, OF THE ARCHITECTURE.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE, THE METHODOLOGY.

THIS, THIS, UH, BASICALLY THE CONCEPT WAS THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT WERE APPROVED FOR DEMOLITION WOULD BE DEMOLISHED.

WE WOULD NEED TO SLICE THE, THE 36 BUILDING INTO THREE PIECES, PUSH THEM OVER WHILE IT'S OVER ON THE EAST SIDE.

WE WOULD NEED TO FILL THE ENTIRE SITE, UH, BUILD A NEW FOUNDATION FOR THE 36 BUILDING AND MOVE IT OVER.

UH, THAT WAS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED.

NOW I CAN TELL YOU, UH, UH, AS THE OWNERSHIP HAS EXPLAINED TO ME, THIS CONCEPT IS, IS LESS EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW.

IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO.

UM, BUT IT REALLY, BUT WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO GCS, THE CONSENSUS WAS, YOU REALLY NEED TO HAVE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER LOOK AT THIS.

AND THAT'S WHY MR. SULLIVAN WAS BROUGHT IN TO REVIEW IT.

UH, AND ANDY'S REPORT IS OBVIOUSLY IN YOUR PACKAGE.

I'M GONNA HAND WHILE HE'S TALKING, I'M GONNA HAND OUT A CV.

BUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT ANDY, UH, RECOGNIZED WAS, AGAIN, THE VERY NATURE OF THIS BUILDING MAKES THAT PLAN ESSENTIALLY VERY DANGEROUS OR, OR IMPOSSIBLE.

SO, MR. SULLIVAN, SO GOOD MORNING.

UM, I'M AND ANDREW SULLIVAN WITH MCNAMARA SALVIA, UH, STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS.

UH, WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO LOOK AT THIS EXISTING BUILDING AND, AND PRESENT TO YOU THIS MORNING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE THINK THAT THE IMPACTS ARE, UH, FOR RELOCATING IT.

SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE FIRST.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT GENERALLY LOOKS LIKE IT'S A U-SHAPED BUILDING.

YOU KNOW, BASICALLY A PRIMARY BUILDING IN THE FRONT WITH TWO WINGS ON THE SIDE.

IT'S ACTUALLY TECHNICALLY AN EIGHT SHAPED BUILDING.

THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF, OF, OF, UM, PARTS THAT GO OUT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF IT, UM, CURRENTLY, UM, AS WELL.

BUT, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, UM, THE PERIMETER WALLS ARE A BLOCK TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, UH, UNREINFORCED,

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UH, THE ELEVATED LEVEL IS WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION.

UH, AND THE ROOF IS ALSO WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION, UM, AS WELL.

UM, AND I GUESS IF WE COULD ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SORRY, IF YOU DON'T MIND, , UM, I'M FORGETTING MY JOB.

HOLD ON.

THAT'S OKAY.

SO, UH, THIS IS A PHOTO OF, OF STANDING IN THE FRONT COURTYARD.

UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THERE'S, THERE'S PLYWOOD OVER THE WINDOWS AND THE DOOR OPENINGS AT THE, AT THE MOMENT, BUT IT JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW MANY, AND I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE HERE, HOW MANY OPENINGS THERE ARE, UH, IN THIS BUILDING, AND TO RELOCATE IT, TO ACTUALLY LIFT IT UP OFF OF ITS FOUNDATION, YOU'VE GOT TO CUT THE BOTTOM OF THOSE UNREINFORCED WALLS FROM THE FOUNDATION, PUT MORE HOLES THROUGH IT, YOU KNOW, WHERE ALL THOSE EXTRA HOLES GONNA GO IN HERE, UM, TO THEN LIFT THE HOLE STRUCTURE UP THAN TO SLIDE IT OVER TO ROTATE IT, GET IT BACK TO, YOU KNOW, ITS ITS FINAL RESTING PLACE.

SO OUR CONCERN IS MULTIPLE FOLD.

IF WE HAVE MORE OPENINGS IN THIS TYPE OF FACADE THAT'S EVEN SHOWN HERE, JUST TO MOVE IT JUST BY THIS RACKING A LITTLE BIT IN, IN PLAIN, HAS THE ABILITY TO JUST, TO CRUMBLE.

THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT IF WE NEED TO TAKE THIS APART IN PART, BASICALLY TAKING OFF THE WINGS AND THEN LEAVING THE CENTERPIECE, THAT CENTERPIECE IS NOT A STABLE BOX ANYMORE.

IT'S A TWO-SIDED BOX WITH TWO TWO OPEN ENDS.

THE WINGS THEN END UP BEING A THREE-SIDED BOX WITH, WITH AN OPEN END.

AND JUST BY VIRTUAL OF, OF TRYING TO LIFT THAT ELEMENT AND HAVE IT REMAIN A CONTAINED ELEMENT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE.

THE OTHER THING THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER IS THEN JUST THE CONNECTION OF THE BLOCK WALLS.

AGAIN, UNREINFORCED WITH WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION THAT'S COMING INTO THE SIDE OF IT ON A LEDGER ANGLE AND, AND THE, AND THE ROOF SITTING ON TOP.

AND IT'S NOT A STRUCTURE LIKE WE HAVE TODAY WHERE WE'VE GOT HURRICANE STRAPS THAT ARE TYING THIS THING DOWN AND MAKE THESE ROBUST CONNECTIONS.

SO IF THERE'S ANY RACKING OUT OF PLANE, THOSE CONNECTIONS HAVE NO ABILITY TO RESTRAIN IT, YOU KNOW, DURING ITS MOVEMENT.

SO TO BE HONEST, THE LOGIC WAS THAT INSTEAD OF TAKING THE RISK AND TRYING TO MOVE THIS TO PRESERVE THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO US AND, AND, AND POTENTIALLY BREAK THOSE THINGS IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING IT, THAT WE EXTRACT THE ITEMS THAT ARE ACTUALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE STRUCTURE, WHICH WE CAN MOVE BECAUSE THEY'RE SMALLER BITE-SIZED PIECES THAT WE KNOW THAT WE CAN PRESERVE.

WELL, THANK YOU, ANDY.

UH, HERE'S JUST ANOTHER SHOT LOOKING AT THE, THE ANOTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING SHOWING THE NUMBER OF OPENINGS.

THIS ALSO SHOWS YOU I DO, I JUST WANNA NOTE BRIEFLY, AND WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY NEED MORE TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS, THE, THE SECOND FLOOR CATWALK THERE WAS, WAS A SIXTIES CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL BE REMOVED IN THE, IN THE NEW DESIGN TO RETURN IT TO, BASICALLY IT'S TWO BY TWO, UH, FORMAT.

SO WITH THAT, LET ME ASK SEBASTIAN EZZ TO TAKE YOU THROUGH THE ELEMENTS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE AND RETAIN.

UH, GOOD MORNING.

UH, MY NAME IS SEBASTIAN BEEZ FROM URBAN ROBOT ASSOCIATES, UH, FOUR 20 LINCOLN ROAD.

WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE SITE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING FOR MANY YEARS.

WE'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

IT'S KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A FAVORITE PROJECT IN THE OFFICE.

AND, AND LIKE DEBBIE SAID, WE REALLY WANNA MAKE IT HAPPEN.

UM, SO WE, WE'VE ALWAYS, UH, BEEN FOND OF THIS BUILDING.

WE THINK THAT THIS IS THE MOST, UM, HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT BUILDING ON THE SITE.

AND, UM, AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, DEVELOPING THE FULL STRATEGY OF ROTATING IT, UH, OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE, WE END UP GETTING APPROVAL FOR FROM, BUT REALLY TO SHOWCASE THE BUILDING.

AND WE THINK THAT THE COURTYARD IS, IS THE KEY ELEMENT HERE, ARCHITECTURALLY SPEAKING.

AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED, UH, AS, AS, AS PART OF THIS MODEL, YOU SEE HERE THE DIFFERENT, UH, ELEMENTS THAT REALLY, UH, GIVE, UH, LIFE TO THE BUILDING AND ARE HISTORICALLY, UH, IMPORTANT, INCLUDING THE, UH, THE STAIRCASES, THE ACO, UM, UH, FLOWING STAIRCASES ARE, ARE, ARE BEAUTIFUL AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN, YOU KNOW, GOOD SHAPE.

AND WE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THOSE AS, AS A POTENTIAL TO, YOU KNOW, AS, UH, TAKE AND, AND, AND, UM, REMOVE FROM THE BUILDING PRESERVE AND THEN, UH, INCORPORATE INTO THE NEW STRUCTURE.

ALSO, MINOR ELEMENTS, UH, THAT WE'VE, I IDENTIFIED ARE, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, TILES THAT ARE QUITE NICE.

UM, AND I THINK WE HAVE SOME PICTURES OF THEM HERE.

UH, THESE DECORATIVE FACADE TILES ARE PRIMARILY ON THE COURTYARD SIDE, ALTHOUGH SOME OF THEM ARE ON THE, ON THE CURRENT, UH, WEST ELEVATION AS WELL.

AND THERE'S A FEW OTHER ELEMENTS LIKE THE, THIS, UM, THIS, UH, STEPPING, UH, KIND OF A DECORATIVE, UH, BACK BACKDROP OF THIS, UH, DECORAT, UH, STEPPING ELEMENT.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ALL THE CORNICES AROUND AND, UH, THIS PEDESTALS, UH, THAT WE SEE HOLDING DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.

AND THERE'S JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO TALK MORE ABOUT THIS SLIDE OR NOT.

UH, YEAH.

THIS, THIS ONE MAKES IT CLEAR

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THAT, UH, ACTUALLY THE OTHER FACADES ARE QUITE PLAIN.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, UM, UH, DEVOID OF ANY DECORATION EXCEPT FOR THE CORDES, UH, AND THEN THE WINDOW OPENINGS.

UM, BUT, UH, ANYTHING FACING WEST AND NORTH, UH, AS, AND THEN THE INTERIOR AS WELL.

UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY, UH, TWO, UH, FULL, UH, FIREPLACES INSIDE THAT.

JUST AS A SIDE NOTE, WE, WE LOVE THEM, SO WE ARE ALWAYS, YOU CAN SEE IT, THEY'RE IN THE KIND OF THE MIDDLE, LOWER IMAGE.

WE'RE ALWAYS TAKING THOSE OUT AND PUTTING THEM IN THE NEW TOWNHOUSES.

'CAUSE WE THINK THAT THEY'RE, UH, QUITE BEAUTIFUL.

THANKS, SEBASTIAN.

SO, TO, TO SUM UP, THIS WILL BE THE, THE, THE LAST TOPIC, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UH, I, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THE, THE TIMING ISSUE BECAUSE STAFF IS CORRECT THAT THIS HAS TAKEN TOO LONG TO GET REALIZED.

WE ARE NOW, AND SEBASTIAN CAN FILL IN ANY DETAILS ON THE, ON THE PERMITTING.

WE HAVE THE MASTER PERMIT IS HOPEFULLY APPROACHING FINAL REVIEW, RIGHT? WE THINK WE'VE GOT AT LEAST MAYBE A COUPLE MORE MONTHS OF THAT LEFT.

UH, UPON THE ISSUANCE OF THAT PERMIT, WE WILL AND, AND THE ASSOCIATE DEMO PERMIT, THEN WE WILL, UH, REMOVE ALL THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS FROM THE 36TH BUILDING, TAKE THEM OFF THE PROPERTY, SAY AND, AND SAFELY, UH, UH, STORE THEM.

AND EITHER THE REMAINING STRUCTURES WILL THEN BE REMOVED AND THE PROPERTY CLEARED AND FILLED.

AND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO COMMENCE WITH THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THIS BUILDING AND THE NEW, AND THE NEW STRUCTURE.

SO THAT, UH, ENDING WITH A PRETTY PICTURE THAT, THAT IS OUR PRESENTATION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, AND I'D LIKE TO RESERVE TIME FOR REBUTTAL.

WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL TODAY.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, FOR THAT PRESENTATION, I GUESS WE WILL, UH, JUST GO UP THE LINE TO SEE IF ANYBODY, ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS IN, UM, TEARING THAT BUILDING DOWN AND REBUILDING IT.

DO YOU NOT LOSE TAX CREDITS TO DO THAT? SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REALLY LOSING TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING.

SO OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT UNLESS YOU HAD TO.

YEAH, AS I SAID BEFORE, RIGHT? IT'S ALSO MORE EXPENSIVE.

SO WE'RE BOTH LOSING ANY POTENTIAL ADWAR, YOU KNOW, BENEFIT WE GET AND IT COSTS US MORE TO DO IT THIS WAY.

AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS WHEN, ONCE THE SITE IS NOW GONNA BE EMPTY MM-HMM, , ARE YOU GOING TO REBUILD THIS BUILDING FIRST OR ARE YOU GONNA BUILD YOUR NEW BUILDING FIRST? I, THAT'S A STAGING QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.

BILL, DO YOU HAVE A, ANY THOUGHTS? I'M AFRAID YOU CAN HAVE TO GET TO THE MICROPHONE BILL.

I, 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU, YOU'RE REBUILDING THE BUILDING.

THAT SHOULD BE THE FIRST THING THAT YOU DO TO PROVE THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID WANT TO DO.

UH, BILL ZETO 29 0 1 INDIAN CREEK DRIVE, UH, THE INTENTION WOULD BE TO DO EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME.

THE, THE, THE, THE SMALL BUILDING IN THE BIG BUILDING AT THE SAME TIME.

AT LEAST THE FOUNDATIONS, ABSOLUTELY.

BUT WE COULD ABSOLUTELY CONSIDER BUILDING THE SMALL BUILDING FIRST.

IT WOULDN'T ADJUST OUR TIMELINE AT ALL.

YOU'RE DONE.

UM, HASKELL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO NO COMMENT.

OKAY.

LAURA, QUESTIONS? YES.

QUESTIONS.

THANK, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

BEAUTIFUL PROJECT.

UM, I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION.

WHAT IS THE EXISTING FOUNDATION OF THE, UM, BUILDING THAT'S BEING DEMOLISHED? YOU MIGHT'VE SAID IT, BUT I PROBABLY MISSED IT.

SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE FOUNDATION IS, THERE'S A SHALLOW STRIP FOUNDATION THAT, THAT JUST FOLLOWS THE PERIMETER WALLS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PERIMETER.

THANK YOU.

YES.

RIGHT.

HI, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

UM, THIS QUESTION IS DIRECTED TO THE ARCHITECT.

I BELIEVE IT'S MR. VALEZ.

IS IT VALLE, MR. VALLES? YES.

OKAY.

UM, JUST IF YOU COULD, COULD YOU JUST GIVE US A BIT MORE SPECIFICITY ON THOSE HISTORICAL ELEMENTS? UM, I, YOU KNOW, I, I JOTTED THEM DOWN HERE, BUT I THINK IT COULD BE HELPFUL JUST TO PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, DETAIL ON THOSE.

SO, PARTICULARLY THESE, THE DECORATIVE TILE FAC, UM, DECORATIVE TILES.

I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS, THOSE WERE QUITE BEAUTIFUL.

JUST CURIOUS, LIKE, DID YOU GUYS DO AN AUDIT? LIKE HOW MANY ARE THERE, LIKE, HOW ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT INCORPORATING THOSE INTO THE DESIGN? I WASN'T, I DIDN'T REALLY SEE ANY, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTION OF WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN THE RENDERS.

BUT JUST CURIOUS ABOUT KIND OF WHAT YOUR INSPIRATION WAS THERE, UM, ON THE STAIRS THAT I THINK THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

YOU SAID THERE WERE TWO, I BELIEVE THOSE TWO, UH, WHAT'D YOU CALL THEM? THE, THEY WERE THESE SWOOPING ART DECO, UH, STAIRS.

OKAY.

SO, YEAH, I MEAN, IF YOU COULD JUST MAYBE SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THOSE.

AND THEN, THEN THE LAST PIECE, I GUESS WAS THE, YOU YOU CALLED IT A STEPPING, LIKE THOSE KIND OF STEP STAIRS.

IT ARE, ARE YOU PLANNING ON TAKING LIKE THAT IMAGE THERE AND ACTUALLY HAVING IT REMOVED AND SOMEWHERE, AND COULD YOU MAYBE JUST GIVE US SOME MORE SPECIFICITY ON THAT AS WELL? ABSOLUTELY.

NO PROBLEM.

I THINK IF, LET'S

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GO FOR THE, TO THE OTHER ONE.

SO WE'VE DOCUMENTED THIS BUILDING.

UH, WE'VE HAD A THREE, UH, WE'VE HAD, UH, 3D SURVEY DONE.

WE'VE HAD TWO SURVEYORS, UH, DOCUMENT THE INSIDE, UH, THE FACADES.

WE HAVE A, A BIM MODEL OF THE BUILDING.

UM, AND, UH, THAT'S SERVED AS OUR BASIS, UH, TO REALLY UNDERSTAND AND ANALYZE THE BUILDING FOR THE PROJECT.

NOW, UH, WHEN WE WERE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF, UH, RECONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING, DEMOLISHING THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING, WE, WE WERE TASKED WITH LOOKING AT THE BUILDING AND REALLY, UH, UNDERSTANDING WHAT ARE THE UNIQUE ELEMENTS THAT, UH, MAKE THIS BUILDING, UH, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND, AND, AND ARE IMPORTANT, RIGHT? SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED THOSE ELEMENTS.

UH, AND THE INTENT WOULD BE TO REPLICATE THE BUILDING EXACTLY AS IT IS NOW, AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, RENOVATE THE BUILDING BECAUSE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS, YOU KNOW, HAVE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TILES, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE, UH, REMOVED AND, AND PLACED IN THE SAME LOCATION.

AND, UM, SOME OF THE BRICK WORK, UH, IS NOT IN THE BEST SHAPE.

SO WE WOULD BASICALLY RENOVATE, UH, THAT BRICK WORK.

I THINK DEBBIE, UH, MADE A GOOD POINT, WHICH I THINK THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE IF WE WERE TO, TO RECEIVE APPROVAL, WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, PURSUE A, A PERMIT FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING.

AND IN THAT PLACE, BEFORE WE WOULD DO ANYTHING TO THIS BUILDING, WE WOULD HAVE TO SHOW A VERY, VERY DETAILED DRAWING.

SO WE HAVE A VERY GOOD BASE, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO AND DOCUMENT, UH, EVERY SINGLE BRICK, EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT, UH, VERY CLOSELY, RIGHT? WE, WE HAVE THE MAJOR COMPONENTS IN PLACE.

WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT.

WE'VE, I'VE ACTUALLY GONE IN THERE AND MEASURED CERTAIN THINGS MYSELF WITH MY TEAM.

UH, BUT, UH, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND SOMETHING AS PRECIOUS AS THIS, YOU BASICALLY, WE REALLY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY ELEMENT, ONCE YOU DEMOLISH IT, YOU, YOU HAVE A, A, A, A, YOU KNOW, INSTRUCTIONS TO RECONSTRUCT EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT.

WE ALSO HAVE MICROFILM, UH, THAT HAS BEEN HELPFUL IN KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH ON WHAT, WHAT IS ORIGINAL AND WHAT HAS NOT.

THAT HAS ALLOWED US TO, TO REALIZE WHAT ELEMENTS WERE ORIGINALLY PART OF THE BUILDING AND WHATS OR NOT.

AND THEN WHEN WE WENT FOR THE BOARD APPROVAL, UH, LIKE GRAHAM SAID, SOME OF THESE, UH, CATWALKS WERE NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.

UM, THE, THE ELEMENTS ARE, ARE, THEY'RE NOT THAT MANY.

UM, AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S THE DECORATIVE TILES.

THE STAIRCASES REALLY ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

THE CORNES, THE COOLNESS THAT WRAPS AROUND THE ENTIRE BUILDING.

UM, AND THE, THERE'S, UH, THIS KIND OF A STEPPING ELEMENT THAT IS DECORATIVE.

UH, WE THINK WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

SOME OTHERS HAVE THOUGHT THAT MAYBE IT WAS A FOUNTAIN.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT.

I THINK IT'S JUST A BACKDROP FOR A, FOR A PLANTER, IT'S A DECORATIVE ELEMENT.

WE WANT TO KEEP THAT RECONSTRUCT THAT WELL ATTACH IT TO THE RECONSTRUCTIVE BUILDING AND KEEP THAT ELEMENT.

AND OTHER THAN THAT, THOSE ARE THE MAIN ELEMENTS.

AND OUR TASK WOULD BE TO DOCUMENT, UH, AND EVERYTHING AND SO THAT WE CAN RECONSTRUCT IT EXACTLY AS IS.

GREAT.

LINDSAY, I'M HITTING THE WRONG BUTTON.

UH, THIS QUESTION IS, UM, LARGELY FOR MR. SULLIVAN, BUT GRAHAM MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER.

UM, SO YOU HAVE A VERY IMPRESSIVE RESUME HERE.

I AM JUST CURIOUS, HAVE, AND I SAW ON YOUR WEBSITE, YOU'VE DONE SOME ADAPTATION.

HAVE YOU BEEN INVOLVED IN MOVING A STRUCTURE LIKE THIS SUCCESSFULLY? I MEAN, NOT LIKE THIS, BUT A HISTORIC STRUCTURE MO PICKING UP, MOVING IT SUCCESSFULLY? SO AS, AS YOU CAN TELL BY OUR WEBSITE, I MEAN, WE, WE PRIMARILY WORK ON, UM, NEW CONSTRUCTION.

UM, WE HAVE WORKED ON SEVERAL, UM, HISTORIC BUILDINGS, THE SAVOY, THE ADDITION, UM, AND, AND RETROFIT OF EXISTING STRUCTURES.

UM, MOVING ONE HAS NOT BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DONE AS A, AS A FIRM, BUT WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THIS FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT STRUCTURES AND, AND THAT'S WHAT FORMED OUR RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UH, ONCE, FIRST FOR YOU, MR. SULLIVAN.

UM, I, YOU MENTIONED, UM, THAT, UH, YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BUILDING RACKING OUT OF PLANE, AND I WAS WONDERING WHY IN YOUR EXPERIENCE THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

SO WHAT WOULD THE CIRCUMSTANCE BE IF YOU'RE REALLY USING THE TECHNIQUES THAT WE USE TO LIFT BUILDINGS THAT IT WOULD RACK OUT OF PLANE? SO, SO IF YOU TAKE THE, THE, THE BUILDING AS A WHOLE, I COULD JUST CALL IT A U-SHAPE.

MM-HMM.

.

AND, AND WITH THE TWO SIDES OF THE U'S BEING WINGS, AND YOU, AND YOU SEPARATE THAT FROM THE, THE, THE CENTER PORTION OF THE BUILDING, THEN THAT'S A TWO-SIDED BOX.

YOU'VE GOT THE BLOCK WALL ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THE BLOCK WALL ON NORTH SIDE, BUT THERE'S NO STABILITY CREATING A BOX IN, IN THE, ON THE OTHER TWO ENDS.

MM-HMM.

.

SO IN, IF YOU TAKE A SECTION THROUGH IT, THEN YOU'VE GOT TWO WALLS AND YOU'VE GOT A FLOOR AND A ROOF.

MM-HMM.

.

AND SO THERE'S NO STIFFNESS AT THOSE FOUR CONNECTIONS WHERE IT COULD RACK LIKE THIS

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IN EITHER DIRECTION.

RIGHT.

RIGHT.

BUT WHAT IF YOU, IF YOU REINFORCED IT, WHAT WOULD THE CIR YOU MENTIONED THE CIRCUMSTANCE UNDER WHICH IT WOULD RACK OUT OF PLANE, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT WOULD THAT CIRCUMSTANCE BE IF YOU'VE REINFORCED IT ADEQUATELY, WHICH YOU'D HAVE TO DO IN ANY EVENT, BUT WHAT WOULD IT BE? ONE OF THE, LIKE, ONE OF THE CRANES AS IN LIFT AT THE SAME TIME AS ANOTHER? OR WHAT I, FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? I'M GUESSING, YEAH, I, I I, I THINK IT COULD JUST PURELY BE HOW, HOW IT'S LIFTED FROM ONE SIDE VERSUS THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND A LITTLE BIT OF ECCENTRICITY COULD BE ENOUGH TO TO, TO PUT IT INTO THAT KIND OF RACKING TYPE OF POSITION.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, SO I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

MAYBE THIS IS FOR YOU, MAYBE NOT.

UM, I WAS INTERESTED IN THE STAIRCASES AND WHAT THEY'RE MADE OUT OF.

UM, AND I WAS WONDERING, AND, AND I THINK THAT WOULD MATTER.

ARE THEY POURED CONCRETE? ARE THEY BUILT UP OR ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, WOOD FRAME AND SUCCO? WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY AND UM, KIND OF HOW WOULD YOU MOVE THEM SECURELY? UM, 'CAUSE THEY'RE, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT BUILDINGS, BUT THEY'RE LARGE AND WHERE OFFSITE ARE YOU PLANNING TO STORE THEM? OKAY, SO I CAN ANSWER THE FIRST ONE.

YEAH, I KNOW THIS IS NOT ALL FOR YOU.

RIGHT.

UM, SO, SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT TO BE ENTIRELY CONCRETE STRUCTURE.

I SEE.

AND, AND, AND, AND POURED FROM OUR STANDPOINT WHAT WE POOR CONCRETE, YES.

POURED.

AND, AND SO WHAT WE WOULD ADVISE OUR CLIENT, IF, IF WE'RE REMOVING THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE AROUND THOSE, WE WOULD DIG AROUND THE ENTIRE STAIR.

WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT ACTUALLY YOU PICK IT UP WITH THE FOUNDATION, LET'S EXCAVATE IT ALL THE SOIL OUT AND GRAB THE WHOLE THING AS A WHOLE, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO ENABLE, THAT'S KIND OF EVERYTHING OPPOSITE OF WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS MORNING, IS THAT IT, IT THEN CREATES A STABLE, STABLE STRUCTURE IN ITS ENTIRETY TO BE ABLE TO MOVE TO ANOTHER LOCATION.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

BUT SOMEBODY ELSE WILL NEED TO ANSWER THOUGH, WHERE YEAH, THE, WHERE, UM, DO WE, DO WE KNOW WHERE, WHAT SITE, WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE MOVED? HOW F I'M CURIOUS ABOUT HOW FAR THEY'RE GONNA BE.

WE, WE DON'T HAVE A, A LOCATION YET, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMEWHERE LOCAL, OBVIOUSLY.

ALRIGHT.

AND, UM, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE, THE TIMELINE.

UM, MAYBE GRAHAM YOU CAN HELP ME WITH THIS, UH, JUST THE 120 DAYS WE HAVE FOR THE FENCE, UH, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE FENCE UP IN 120 DAYS.

WHERE DOES 120 DAYS FALL ON THAT TIMELINE THAT YOU SHOWED US OF THE BUILDING PROCESS? LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING YOU'LL BE GETTING A NEW PERMIT? WELL, LET ME GET HELP FROM BOTH OF MY, UH, COLLEAGUES HERE.

I, MY UNDERSTANDING, AND, AND SEBASTIAN CAN KIND OF OPINE AS TO WHERE WE, WHERE HE THINKS WE ARE IN THE, IN THE PERMIT PROCESS.

SO WE'RE ACTUALLY, WE'VE BEEN WORKING, UH, UH, WITH THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH TO REALLY, UH, WORK THROUGH ALL THE COMMENTS.

WE'RE ACTUALLY ONLY HAVE A FEW HANDFUL OF COMMENTS LEFT.

WE, UM, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS AND IT'S KIND OF A COMPLEX SITE.

SO, UM, THROUGH THE PROCESS THERE'S BEEN QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP, UH, WITH THE REVIEWERS, UH, BECAUSE THE COMPLEXITY OF THE COMPLEXITIES OF IT.

BUT, UH, I THINK WE'RE FINALLY THERE.

WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE.

WE ARE ACTUALLY SUBMITTING RESUBMITTING FOR THE HANDFUL OF COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, TODAY.

AND SO, UH, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE CLOSE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A FEW WEEKS I WOULD HOPE, UH, HOPEFULLY.

YEAH, , SO WE'RE, YEAH, A COMPLEX SITE IS PUTTING IT MILDLY, BUT WE'RE, YEAH.

SO WE'RE THERE, I WAS KINDA WONDERING JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHEN CAN YOU EXPECT THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WILL THE FENCE, WHEN WILL, WHEN IS 120 DAYS, WILL ANYTHING HAVE HAPPENED ON THE SITE? WILL ANY DEMOLITION HAVE OCCURRED WITHIN 120 DAYS? IS THAT POSSIBLE? IS IT LIKELY? RAY, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OH, SO I, I, WELL, I THINK THE ANSWER IS THAT WE MIGHT BE IN A CON IN, IN THE CONTEXT WHERE THE 120 DAYS COMES AND GOES, RIGHT.

AND WE HAVE TO ERECT THE FENCE.

OKAY.

BUT WHERE, WHERE CONTENT CONTEMPLATING THAT ONCE THE PERMIT ISSUES, WE CAN START MOVING WITHIN A COUPLE WEEKS.

SO IF SEBASTIAN'S HOPES AND DREAMS COME TRUE, UH, THEN WE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, UNDERWAY, YOU KNOW, IN THIS, IN THIS YEAR, BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

OKAY.

YOU KNOW, AND WITH THE IDEA OF JUST GETTING, CLEARING IT OUT.

OKAY.

BUT IT'S LIKELY THE FENCE WILL BE UP AND THEN YOU'LL BE DOING WORK ON THE SITE.

OKAY.

RAY, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY ONE THING THAT I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY BROUGHT UP IS THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING REALLY HAS TO BE MOVED TWICE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MOVE IT TO THE BACK OF THE LOT, THEN BUILD UP THE LAND AND THEN MOVE IT BACK.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU JUST TAKE IT AND TURN IT, YOU'VE GOTTA DO IT TWICE AND YOU HAVEN'T BROUGHT THAT POINT UP.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GOTTA BE SHIFTED, TURNED AND GO UP A HILL, RIGHT.

TO GET BACK TO THE FOUNDATION.

BUT NOW, BUT NOW THE PLAN IS TO DEMOLISH ALL THE BUILDINGS ON THE SITE AT THE SAME TIME.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

IF, YEAH, IF THIS APPLICATION IS APPROVED, THAT'S THE WAY IT WOULD YES.

ONCE WE REMOVE THE HISTORICAL, AND MY QUESTION WAS WHETHER THE FENCE WOULD BE UP OR NOT.

OKAY.

ARE YOU GOOD? ASK? YES.

LINDSEY, THIS IS ANOTHER QUESTION FOR

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MR. SULLIVAN.

I GUESS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND HE MENTIONED GO UP A HILL.

DOES THAT CHANGE THE ANALYSIS? I, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE SEEN BUILDINGS MOVED, SO FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, UM, DOES HAVING TO, WELL, I GUESS MOVE IT TWICE, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN THE ONES THAT I'VE SEEN, THEY'RE KIND OF ON SUPPORTS.

UM, DOES THAT CHANGE THE ANALYSIS AT ALL IF IT WERE ON A FLAT SURFACE VERSUS HAVING TO BE ALSO LIFTED FROM A LOWER LEVEL IN THE BACK TO A HIGHER LEVEL IN THE FRONT? YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT HAS AN IMPACT.

I MEAN, TAKING ON, YOU KNOW, MR. STEWART'S LAST QUESTION, YOU KNOW, ABOUT WHAT WOULD CAUSE RACKING THAT WOULD CAUSE RACKING IF YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE THIS UP A HILL, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THESE THINGS ARE ON, THEY'RE ON BEAMS, BUT THEY'RE ON WHEELS AND, AND THEN THEY'RE ROLLING IT, YOU KNOW, SO, SO BY VIRTUE OF ROLLING UP THE HILL, THAT COULD CAUSE AN ADDITIONAL STRESS.

YES.

GO AHEAD, MR. SULLIVAN.

REGARDING THE ISSUE OF RACKING, WHICH HAS COME UP MULTIPLE TIMES NOW, IT'S AN ISSUE OF ECONOMICS, ISN'T IT? UH, BECAUSE YOU CAN REINFORCE THE BUILDING SUCH THAT WE CAN MOVE IT.

WELL, I MEAN, TO, TO WHAT POINT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF ECONOMICS.

UH, IN OTHER WORDS, THE OWNER PERHAPS IS SAYING IT'S GONNA COST ME TOO MUCH TO REINFORCE THIS BUILDING TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN MOVE IT.

I MEAN, UH, WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO DO WHATEVER WE WANNA DO TODAY.

WE SENT A MAN TO THE MOON 50 YEARS AGO AND BROUGHT HIM BACK SO WE CAN MOVE A BUILDING IF WE REINFORCE IT PROPERLY.

MM-HMM.

, CORRECT.

I, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, CERTAINLY.

BUT THERE'S A RISK THAT COMES ALONG WITH THAT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD STILL BREAK THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

UM, THE, THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT IF, IF THE PLAN IS IF REMOVE THE ENTIRE BUILDING OR TO MOVE THE ENTIRE BUILDING, I SHOULD SAY, AND YOU'RE CUTTING IT OFF OF THE FOUNDATIONS LIKE I SUGGESTED BEFORE, YOU ARE THEN ALSO DOING THAT WITH THE STERILE ELEMENTS ALSO, SO YOU HAVE MORE RISK OF BREAKING THOSE FEATURES IN TRYING TO TAKE IT AS A WHOLE VERSUS JUST TRYING TO SAVE WHAT IS IMPORTANT FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL PERSPECTIVE.

MY COMMENT IS REGARDING THE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BASING ALL OUR, THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BUILDING NOT BEING ABLE TO BE MOVED.

THE ISSUE IS ECONOMICS, IN MY OPINION, PROBABLY IN YOURS AS WELL.

THE BUILDING CAN BE MOVED IF IT WAS REINFORCED STRATEGICALLY, UH, IN SPECIFIC AREAS, AND THEN IT CAN BE MOVED PROPERLY.

CORRECT? ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.

ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, YEAH.

IT'S A MATTER OF ECONOMICS.

CAN I, CAN I ASK YOU ONE OTHER QUESTION? JUST, DID YOU DO AN ANALYSIS OF, UH, THE CONCRETE BLOCK OR THE, THE WALL MATERIAL THAT'S IN THAT BUILDING? I MEAN, 1936 WAS KIND OF A, A TOUGH YEAR SOMETIMES FOR CON CONCRETE, DEPENDING ON WHO WAS, WHO WAS BUILDING THE BUILDING.

DID, DID YOU AN ANALYZE IT FOR SALT CONTENT OR WE, WE SAND WE HAD DID NOT DO ANY MATERIAL TESTING, NO.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

NOW THE MOMENT WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR, UH, DISCLOSURES.

YES.

UM, LINDSAY, UH, I HAD A MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT.

OKAY.

I, I ALSO A MEETING.

OKAY.

NOPE, NOPE.

OKAY.

DISCLOSURES ARE DONE.

I WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT, BUT I UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WAS NOT ABLE TO COME.

I'M SORRY.

OKAY.

NOW WE'RE OPENING IT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT.

ANYONE, ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE PLEASE COME FORWARD.

UH, MR. CHAIR.

I SEE AN RH ON ZOOM.

GOOD MORNING.

I'LL, I'LL SWEAR YOU IN.

AND THEN, UH, AND THEN PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

DO YOU, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, I DO.

THANK YOU.

COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME? UH, RANDY HOLLINGWORTH.

OKAY, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU.

I LIVE AT 29 39 INDIAN CREEK, WHICH IS JUST NORTH OF THE SITE.

I AM THE PRESIDENT OF OUR CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION.

I'M ALSO ON THE EXECUTIVE BOARD OF THE BID MID BEACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHICH THIS, UH, BUILDING FALLS UNDER THE AREA IN WHICH WE REPRESENT MOST OF MANY OF THE OWNERS OF PROPERTIES, INCLUDING THE HOTELS.

UM, WE CLEARLY SUPPORT REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.

WE'VE LIVED WITH THIS SITE FOR MANY YEARS.

UM, OUR BIGGER CONCERN, I, SO I THINK IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED BY STAFF THAT THIS SITE HAS BEEN, OR THE OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY HAVE BEEN CITED FOR NUMEROUS VIOLATIONS.

UM, THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY IS DEPLORABLE TO SAY THE LEAST.

UH, IT IS NOT MAINTAINED.

THERE ARE WEEDS, GARBAGE SIDEWALKS ARE COVERED WITH DIRT, GRAVEL, SAND.

UH, THEY'RE VERY, VERY SELDOM MAINTAINED.

THE

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WEEDS GET TO FOUR AND FIVE FEET HIGH, UH, FULL OF GARBAGE.

THERE IS A FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY NOW, WHICH WAS REBUILT AFTER APPEARED.

THE DEVELOPER BEFORE PULLED OUT OR SOMETHING THAT ALL THE SIGNAGE WENT AWAY.

THE SIGN THE FENCE FELL DOWN, THEY REBUILT IT.

UM, RECENTLY THERE WAS A FIRE ON THE SITE FROM PEOPLE LIVING ON THE SITE HAVING STARTED THE FIRE IN THE BUILDINGS.

UM, THERE ARE PILES OF GARBAGE, FOUR OR FIVE FEET HIGH DOWN THE COURTYARD, WHICH, UH, OBVIOUSLY IS THE HOME PROBABLY TO RATS AND OTHER THINGS.

UM, WE WOULD REALLY, REALLY REQUEST THE CITY TO TAKE SOME ACTION TO MAKE THIS OWNER OF THE PROPERTY MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS NOT GONNA GO AWAY WITH THE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING.

WE HAVE A YEAR OR TWO OF CONSTRUCTION TO PUT UP WITH.

WE WALK AROUND THE PROPERTY.

WE USE THIS, UH, INDIAN CREEK AND THE SIDE, UH, 30 29TH STREET FOR ACCESS TO THE AREA.

UH, IT IS UNSAFE AND, UM, WHETHER THE BUILDINGS ARE TORN DOWN OR NOT, HOW THE OWNER TAKES CARE OF THE, UH, RIGHT OF WAY AND THE PROPERTY AND THE SIDEWALKS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY.

UH, I'M ACTUALLY IN CHARGE OF A GROUP THAT IS NOW LOOKING AT DERELICT SITES AND HOW THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINED AND THEY CREATE UNSAFE CONDITIONS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THIS IS A SITE THAT WE'VE, UH, LOOKED AT, UM, AND HAS SERIOUS PROBLEMS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS FAR AS HOW IT IS MAINTAINED.

WE ENCOURAGE THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE, BUT SURELY THE CITY CAN TAKE ACTION TO MAKE THIS OWNER, UM, MAINTAIN THE SITE, NOT ONLY NOW, BUT DURING CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WILL GO ON FOR SOME TIME AFTER THEY START TEARING THE BUILDINGS DOWN.

SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE CITY, UH, USE THAT AS LEVERAGE FOR THE PERMIT APPROVAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AM I RECOGNIZED PLEASE? OKAY, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

DANIEL ERALDO ON BEHALF OF MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE.

I'LL TRY TO GET DONE IN THREE MINUTES, BUT IT WAS A LONG, UH, UM, APPLICATION.

SO I WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN VERY WELL RECEIVED BY THE COMMUNITY IN THE PAST.

IT'S BEEN IN THE PRESS AS A POTENTIAL SOLUTION FOR RESILIENCY.

WE EVEN HAD THE ARCHITECTS COME AND SPEAK AT MDPL AND UM, IT DOES GO WITHIN THE BOY AND CITY PLAN.

SO ON THAT NOTE, IT IS VERY EXCITING THAT THE OWNERS ARE INTERESTED IN DOING THIS.

UM, BUT WITH THE LATEST PROPOSAL, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING MORE DEMOLITION THAN ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, AND THIS BOARD GAVE THE APPROVAL FOR A LARGE NEW PROJECT, UM, SORT OF AS PART OF THE PROGRAM THAT INCLUDED THE PRESERVATION OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND THE LOCATION.

IF WE HAD NOT KNOWN THAT THE STRUCTURE WAS GONNA BE RELOCATED OR, OR THAT IT HAD TO BE DEMOLISHED TO BE RELOCATED, MAYBE THE ORIGINAL PROGRAM WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AS PALATABLE.

THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE IN A SITUATION HERE NOW WHERE THE PROPERTY IS REALLY NEGLECTED AND, UM, THEY HAVE COME AND SAID THAT, UM, TAKING THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS WILL HELP WITH, UH, RECONSTRUCTION, BUT THAT THEY WANNA RECONSTRUCT FROM SCRATCH THE CONCRETE, MOSTLY CONCRETE BLOCK STRUCTURE.

SO WE, UH, UH, BOARD MEMBER LINDSEY LEVEL, UH, TOOK AWAY MY, UM, CROSS-EXAMINATION.

BUT THANK YOU, UH, THE BOARD MEMBERS FOR QUESTIONING SOME OF THE METHODOLOGY ABOUT MOVING.

AS SOMEONE WHO'S NOT AN ENGINEER, THOUGH, I'VE BEEN, UH, PRESENT AT ABOUT HALF A DOZEN LIFTS AND MOVES IN TOWN.

I WAS ALSO A LITTLE BIT, UH, QUESTIONING SOME OF THAT METHODOLOGY, BUT IT IS CLEAR THAT IT'S POSSIBLE.

BUT AT THIS POINT, WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON, WE THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, THIS RECONSTRUCTION IS THE BEST WAY FORWARD, THEN WE SHOULD DO THAT.

THIS WOULD BE A LEARNING PROJECT.

I WOULD HOPE THAT APPLICANTS WOULD ALLOW US TO, YOU KNOW, BE A PART OF THE PROCESS AND LEARN ABOUT IT.

BECAUSE EVEN I THINK US AND THE CITY, WE NEED TO LEARN WHAT IS POSSIBLE, WHAT IS IMPOSSIBLE, WHETHER ELEVATION ONLY IS A BETTER BET OR WHETHER MOVING IT AND ELEVATING, UH, MIGHT HAVE SOME BETTER APPROACHES.

BUT WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING INTO THIS PROJECT, WE THINK THAT IT SHOULD MOVE FORWARD, UM, WHILE ALSO MAKING SURE WE ARE AWARE OF THE POSSIBILITIES, UH, GOOD AND BAD WITH THESE RESILIENCY INTERVENTIONS.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU DANIEL.

I SEE, UH, NO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO COMMENT.

ALRIGHT THEN, UM, DID THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE LEFT TO SAY THEN? I GUESS NOW IS TIME FOR, UH, BOARD MEMBER COMMENT.

UM, DO YOU WANNA START, LINDSAY, WE'LL GO DOWN THE LINE OR, OR WOULD YOU RATHER I START WITH RAY? IT'S FINE.

OKAY.

UM, I GOT CALLED OUT THE OTHER DAY FOR

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DEFERRING TO RAY.

I JUST WANTED TO SWITCH IT UP ONE TIME, SO I'LL, I'LL GO FIRST THIS TIME.

, THANK YOU.

UM, SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN DISCLOSURES, I DID, UH, DO A SITE VISIT, UM, WITH THE APPLICANT.

UM, SO I SAW THE CURRENT STATE OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, I'VE, YOU KNOW, FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES WHO LIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE BUILDING DIRECTLY ACROSS THE WAY.

UM, SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THERE.

THEY'VE HAD THE, THE INDIAN CREEK RAISING.

UM, THERE'S CONSTRUCTION GOING ON, ON, ON, ON THE COLLINS SIDE NOW.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, AND I SWEAR TO SAY THE LEAST AT THE MOMENT, UM, I, I NOTICED, UM, AND, AND, UH, THE ATTORNEY RELAYED TO ME THE UNSAFE STRUCTURES ORDER.

IT LOOKED LIKE THEY'D DONE SOME CORE TESTING ON, UM, ON THE POSTMODERN BUILDING.

SO, YOU KNOW, UH, I DON'T DOUBT THAT THERE ARE CERTAINLY ISSUES THERE.

UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY WHAT'S BEFORE US IS WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, DO WE HOLD FEET TO THE FIRE AND, YOU KNOW, ENFORCE THE PREEXISTING ORDER OR DO WE, UM, LOOK AT THIS AS A LESSON LEARNED.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, AN ALTERNATIVE, UM, FROM A PRESERVATION STANDPOINT, UM, I DUNNO, I'M, I'M KIND OF TORN ON THIS ONE.

UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBER DOWN THERE, HASKELL BROUGHT UP, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A QUESTION OF ECONOMICS.

UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, ECONOMICS IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, IT'S THEORETICAL, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LIVE IN A WORLD OF THEORY, LIVE A WORLD OF DOLLARS AND CENTS AND SOMETIMES THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT COMING BEFORE US TODAY.

UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE EFFORTS TO PRESERVE THOSE ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT ELEMENTS.

UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN ON THE SITE VISIT, YOU REALLY COULDN'T GET IN TO SEE THE STAIRS THEMSELVES.

UM, BUT THEY EVEN, YOU KNOW, FROM THE SIDEWALK, WHAT I COULD SEE, THEY LOOKED BEAUTIFUL.

UM, AND, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE OTHER ELEMENTS BEING PRESERVED, THE TILE, THE, UM, LIKE I I CALLED THEM FLOWER BOXES.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE, BUT OUTSIDE THE WINDOWS ON THE, THE CURRENTLY ON THE WEST SIDE.

UM, BUT ALSO ELEMENTS, UM, THAT I THINK ARE PLANNED TO BE RETAIN, RETAINED.

UM, ANYWAYS, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LONG DIATRIBE TO SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT ARE BEING MADE HERE.

UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US AND, AND OUR APPLICANTS TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY LOOK FOR THE EXPERTS IN THESE AREAS, UM, YOU KNOW, AS SORT OF, AND THIS IS, THIS IS NOT A KNOCK AT MR. SULLIVAN, AND LIKE I SAID, I WASN'T KIDDING.

YOU HAVE AN IMPRESSIVE RESUME.

UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, DON'T COME TO ME ASKING ME FOR ADVICE ON FAMILY LAW BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, THAT'S NOT WHAT I PRACTICE.

UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, EXPERTS IN THIS FIELD, UM, AND, AND, AND CAN TALK ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, CAN TALK ABOUT HOW SOMETHING CAN BE DONE RATHER THAN LIKE, NOT CAN'T BE DONE, UM, WOULD, WOULD BE MY THOUGHT PROCESS MOVING FORWARD FOR ANYONE WHO'S LOOKING FOR, UM, THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RAISING AND MOVING, UM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, INEVITABLE.

GREAT.

THANK YOU LINDSAY.

BRIAN, DO YOU WANNA GO NEXT OR DO YOU WANT ONE MORE TIME? ONE MORE TIME? OKAY.

THAT'S FINE.

ALRIGHT, LAURA, UH, THANK YOU AGAIN SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

UM, I REALLY APPRECIATED, UM, THE, THE DIAGRAMS AND THE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, PLANS FOR THE SALVAGE PLAN.

I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT.

IS IT A REQUIREMENT? I'M NOT SURE OF HISTORIC, BUT, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT.

AND EVEN GOING INTERIOR WITH THE FIREPLACES, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT SHOWS A LOT OF, UM, EFFORT ON THE PART OF OWNERSHIP TO, TO RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE HISTORIC ELEMENTS ARE IRREPLACEABLE AND TO, TO KIND OF HONOR THAT HISTORY OF MIAMI BEACH.

AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THOUGH NOT IDEAL IN ITS EXISTING STATE, UM, I THINK IS IS VERY THOUGHTFUL AND, AND, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING STEWARDS OF THAT, UM, IRREPLACEABLE HISTORY.

UM, I ALSO REALLY APPRECIATED THE CONCERNS ON RESILIENCY.

UM, MDPL BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT IF THERE WAS A WAY TO, TO DOCUMENT THIS BECAUSE IT WILL CONTINUE TO, TO BE A LEARNING, UM, EXPERIENCE FOR ALL OF