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GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY, AND WELCOME TO THE OCTOBER 29TH, 2024 PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
[1. After Action Report – September 24, 2024 ]
UM, I'M GONNA START BY, UH, WE RECEIVED THIS MORNING.I HOPE EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE, THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.
IF I COULD GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE.
OKAY, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE MR. CITY ATTORNEY, NICK.
TODAY'S MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE CONDUCTED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH MEMBERS OF THE BOARD PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL AND APPLICANTS STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY IN TODAY'S MEETING, THE PUBLIC MAY DIAL 1-877-853-FIVE 2 5 7 AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 6 1 4 3 4 2 6 3 2 7, OR LOG INTO THE ZOOM APP AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH AGAIN IS 8 6 1 4 3 4 2 6 3 2 7.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM, CLICK THE RAISE HAND ICON IF YOU'RE USING THE ZOOM APP OR DIAL STAR NINE IF YOU'RE PARTICIPATING BY PHONE.
IF YOU'RE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A BUSINESS, A CORPORATION, OR ANOTHER PERSON, YOU NEED TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
IF YOU HAVEN'T REGISTERED YET, YOU SHOULD REGISTER BEFORE YOU SPEAK TO THE BOARD.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ONLY ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF AND NOT ANY OTHER PARTY, OR IF YOU'RE TESTIFYING AS AN EXPERT WITNESS, PROVIDING ONLY SCIENTIFIC, TECHNICAL, OR OTHER SPECIALIZED INFORMATION OR TESTIMONY IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING, OR IF YOU'RE APPEARING AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION OR REIMBURSEMENT FOR YOUR APPEARANCE TO EXPRESS SUPPORT.
HOWEVER, OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM EXPERT WITNESSES AND REPRESENTATIVES OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SHALL PRIOR TO APPEARING, DISCLOSING WRITING TO THE CITY CLERK, THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THE PRINCIPAL ON WHOSE BEHALF THEY'RE COMMUNICATING.
IF YOU'RE AN ARCHITECT, ATTORNEY, OR EMPLOYEE REPRESENTING AN APPLICANT OR AN OBJECTOR, YOU MUST REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST.
LASTLY, I'D LIKE TO SWEAR IN ANYONE WHO WILL BE TESTIFYING TODAY, UH, INCLUDING STAFF.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU.
UH, AND JUST SO THE, THE, UH, BOARD UNDERSTANDS, UM, WE GOT HANDED A NEW, UM, AGENDA TODAY.
SO IT'S, THE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, SO USE THE ONE THAT THEY HANDED OUT TODAY.
[2. PB24-0686, 6747 Collins Ave - New Hotel]
ITEM IS REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCES PLANNING BOARD FILED 24 0 6 8 6 67 47 COLLINS AVENUE, NEW HOTEL.ACTUALLY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS ITEM HAS BEEN READVERTISED FOR THE NOVEMBER MEETING.
THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THE ADVERTISEMENT.
SO THE, UM, THE BOARD DOES NOT NEED TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON THAT ITEM, WHICH IS AGAIN, PP 24 DASH 0 6 86 FOR 67 47 COLLINS AVENUE.
THIS HAS BEEN READVERTISED FOR THE NOVEMBER 26TH MEETING.
[3. PB24-0661. Commercial / Industrial/ Residential Height and Setback Regulation Modifications Citywide.]
ONE IS BOARD FILE 24 0 6 6 1 COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL RESIDENTIAL HEIGHT AND SETBACK REGULATION MODIFICATIONS CITYWIDE.AND THIS ITEM HAS BEEN DEFERRED TO A FUTURE DATE.
AS SOON AS THIS WOULD COME BACK TO THE BOARD WILL BE THE JANUARY 7TH MEETING.
AND WILL, WE WILL BE RE-ADVERTISING IT FOR THAT MEETING OR FUTURE MEETING.
SO NO ACTION AGAIN IS REQUIRED FOR PB 24 DASH 6 61.
[4. Loading, including truck sizes and safety. ]
THE DISCUSSION ITEM ON, UH, LOADING, INCLUDING TRUCK SIZES AND SAFETY TILL NOVEMBER AS WELL.[5 PB22-0542, a.k.a. PB20-0392, 200 S. Pointe Drive. Catch.]
PROGRESS REPORTS.FIRST ONE IS PLANNING BOARD FILE 22 0 5 4 2, UH, 200 SOUTH POINT DRIVE THE CATCH RESTAURANT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE START WITH THIS PROGRESS REPORT, I JUST WANNA, UM, LET THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC KNOW WE HAVE UPDATED THE AGENDA.
I BELIEVE YOU WANTED TO MOVE ONE OF THE ITEMS, UM, FOR THE, YEAH, I'M JUST GONNA MOVE ITEM NINE TO ITEM SEVEN.
THANKS FOR THE, FOR THE PUBLIC'S INFORMATION, THAT'S GONNA BE PB 24 DASH 0 6 6 2.
THIS IS CONDITIONAL USE REGULATIONS FOR GRO FOR OUR GROCERY STORES IN CD THREE ZONING ON LINCOLN ROAD.
THAT ITEM WILL BE HEARD AFTER, WILL BE HEARD UNDER THE FIRST OR PREVIOUSLY CONTINUED APPLICATIONS.
IT'LL BE HEARD AFTER THE PROGRESS REPORT FOR THE MOXIE, RIGHT? IT'S AN ACCOMMODATION, ACCOMMODATION OF ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS.
SO THAT WILL CONTINUE WITH THE PROGRESS REPORT FOR PB 22 0 5 42, 200 SOUTH POINT DRIVE.
THIS IS A PROGRESS REPORT THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AFTER A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME SINCE THEY STARTED OPERATION.
UM, THERE'S BEEN NO VIOLATIONS OR COMPLAINTS, UM, UH, IN THE PUBLIC RECORD FOR CODE COMPLIANCE FOR THIS PROPERTY.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE AND PROGRESS REPORT ON THIS ITEM.
GOOD MORNING, NICHOLAS RODRIGUEZ ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
UM, JOINED HERE BY, SO ACHIEVER FROM, UH, THE DEVELOPMENTAL PEOPLE AND STRATEGY AND THE GENERAL MANAGER, GREG GILDE.
UH, CATCH OPENED IN MAY, JUST IN TIME FOR FORMULA ONE.
WE, UH, IN TERMS OF COMPLIANCE WITH OUR CONDITIONS,
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UH, WE DID SUBMIT AN UPDATED ANALYSIS OF OUR VALET OPERATIONS, UH, WAS IN SUMMER, SO THINGS WERE A LITTLE BIT SLOWER.BUT, UH, EVERY, ALL OF THE NUMBERS CAME IN, UM, UNDER WHAT OUR VALET ANALYSIS HAD PREDICTED.
UH, SO FAR HAVE BEEN NO QUEUING ISSUES, UH, WITH THE VALET.
UM, AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH MR. GOOV ABOUT OUR TDM STRATEGIES.
WE ARE COMPLYING WITH OUR TDM CONDITIONS, UH, AND WE SUPPLIED A SURVEY TO MR. GOOV OF, UH, ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES MODES OF TRANSIT.
SO THERE'S A, A MIXED BAG OF USING TRANSIT, USING SCOOTERS, SHARED RIDE SERVICES.
UH, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN TO NOT IMPOSE A BURDEN ON THE SOUTH OF FIFTH NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, BUT SO FAR SO GOOD, AND WE'RE HOPING TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
AND MICHAEL, YOU PROBABLY MENTIONED THIS, I WAS READING SOMETHING, BUT I THINK THE BOARD KNOWS THIS, THAT THEY'RE HERE BECAUSE WHEN THEY FIRST OPENED, WE WANTED THEM TO COME BACK TO JUST SEE HOW EVERYTHING WAS GOING.
THERE WAS NO ISSUES OR PROBLEMS. SO, UM, WITH THAT, UH, IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ANYONE ON ZOOM? THERE'S NO ONE ON ZOOM WITH THEIR HAND RAISED FOR THIS ITEM.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? YEAH, SO FIRST, NICHOLAS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION AND JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF, UH, FOR MY COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD HERE AND ANYONE WATCHING, UM, THIS INFORMATION, WHICH WAS PROVIDED THIS MORNING.
OBVIOUSLY THERE WASN'T THAT MUCH TIME TO, TO DO THIS, BUT, UH, ABOUT 115 EMPLOYEES AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE MAJOR TAKEAWAYS FOR THESE LARGE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
AND ESPECIALLY IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THE SOUTH OF FIFTH NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A LARGE, UM, YOU KNOW, FACTOR.
NOT JUST THE PATRONS, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT THAT WORK THERE.
AND, UH, LET ME JUST SEE IF I CAN PULL UP, OKAY.
I'VE LOST MY, MY PERCENTAGE, BUT JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, 115 EMPLOYEES, UH, IT SAYS SEVEN RIDE BY BICYCLE, 16 BY MOTORBIKE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, IF THAT IS MOTORCYCLE OR E-BIKE OR E SCOOTER.
LOTS OF E-BIKES AND LITTLE, UM, LOTS OF E-BIKES AND LITTLE MOPEDS, LIKE LITTLE FOLD OUT MOPEDS.
SO IT'S, IT'S LIKE MICRO MOBILITY.
UM, NINE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, 18 SHARED RIDE SERVICE.
I PRESUMABLY, UH, LYFT OR UBER, SOME OF THEM SHARED RIDES.
BUT THESE ARE NUMBERS THAT YOU'VE REPORTED OF HOW YOUR EMPLOYEES GET TO WORK? YES, SIR.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, OFF THE BAT ABOUT HALF THE PEOPLE DRIVE IN THEIR OWN PERSONAL VEHICLE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE QUESTION THAT WE MAY HAVE HERE, 'CAUSE WE'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, IS WHERE DO THE EMPLOYEES PARK? YEAH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A GARAGE THAT A LOT OF THEM USE OVER AT THE PUBLIX AREA.
UM, AND THEN SOME OF THEM, UH, PARK FURTHER AWAY AND THEN KIND OF WALK, UH, FURTHER DOWN.
BUT YOU DON'T PROVIDE PARKING, UH, VEHICLE PARKING FOR YOUR EMPLOYEES? NO, NO, WE DO NOT.
AND THEN JUST SOME OTHER INFORMATION THAT MIGHT BE OF, OF INTEREST.
I DON'T HAVE THE PERCENTAGES UNFORTUNATELY, BUT 28 EMPLOYEES LIVE IN 3, 3, 1, 3 9.
SO THEY'RE LOCAL TO, TO SOUTH BEACH.
10 ARE IN NORTH BEACH, 3, 3, 1, 4, 1.
UH, NONE ARE IN MID BEACH, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH.
AND THEN, UM, THE, A HANDFUL BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 ARE IN ZIP CODES LIKE DOWNTOWN MIAMI, BRICKELL, WYNWOOD, UH, AND, AND THOSE AREAS.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE A LARGE PERCENTAGE ARE CLOSE AND, YOU KNOW, THAT PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES.
I THINK THIS IS REALLY USEFUL INFORMATION THAT PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO EVEN INCREASE THAT PERCENTAGE OF TRANSIT USAGE AND, UH, MICRO MOBILITY EVEN HIGHER, NOT JUST FOR CATCH, BUT FOR THE OTHER LARGE RESTAURANTS THAT WILL BE OPENING, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE SOUTH OF FIFTH NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET, PHILIPPE CHAO.
AND THEY HAVE SIMILAR, I BELIEVE, UH, CONDITIONS IN THEIR ORDER REGARDING TRANSIT AND, AND BIKE SHARE MEMBERSHIP.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS A, A GOOD START AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S INVALUABLE DATA AND DATA THAT HOPEFULLY ALL THE OTHER APPLICANTS WILL BE PROVIDING AS THEY PROVIDE PROGRESS REPORTS TO THIS BOARD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I'LL JUST SAY I'VE BEEN THERE MANY TIMES AND IT'S A FABULOUS OPERATION, REALLY WELL RUN.
AND I'VE MET YOU AND YOU DO A GREAT JOB.
WITH THAT, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MOVE TO DISMISS THE PROGRESS REPORT, SO MOVED.
WHO MADE THE MOTION ON THAT? JONATHAN SECOND BY MS. LONE.
RIGHT? THIS, THIS WAS BASICALLY JUST TO ACCEPT, UM, WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED AND SUSPEND THEIR PROGRESS REPORTS AT THIS TIME.
ONLY COME BACK THAT THERE'S ISSUES.
ANYONE OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
[6 PB0616-0033, 915-955 Washington Avenue - Moxy]
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PLANNING BOARD FILE NUMBER SIX ON THE AGENDA PLANNING BOARD FILE OH 6 1 16 DASH 0 0 3 3, THOUGH MOXIE, AND THIS IS A PROGRESS REPORT, UNLIKE THE LAST ITEM.THIS IS A PROGRESS REPORT DUE TO CODE VIOLATIONS.
UM, THIS CUP ORIGINATES FROM NOVEMBER 15TH, 2016 WHEN THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVED A CUP FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SEVEN STORY HOTEL DEVELOPMENT EXCEEDING 50,000 SQUARE FEET, AS WELL AS A NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENT WITH OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT.
NOW, WE DID SEND A CURE LETTER TO THE APPLICANT ON OCTOBER 11TH OF THIS YEAR.
THIS WAS DUE TO COMPLAINTS AND A VIOLATION THAT WAS ISSUED TO THE PROPERTY, AND WE REQUESTED THEIR APPEARANCE AT TODAY'S MEETING ON OCTOBER 29TH.
NOW, THE, THE SUBSTANTIVE COMPLAINT AND VIOLATION HERE WAS REGARDING TO, UH, A DJ OPERATION ON THE HIGHEST ROOF.
UM, THE PLANNING BOARD ONLY APPROVED ENTERTAINMENT ON THE LOWER ROOF AND, AND THE, UM, UPPER ROOF WAS FOR HOTEL GUESTS ONLY, WITH NO ENTERTAINMENT.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN, UM, SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS THAT WERE ISSUED FOR THE PROPERTY FOR ENTERTAINMENT ON THAT HIGHER ROOF DECK.
I DID CLARIFY WITH THE PLANNING DIRECTOR THAT GOING FORWARD, UM, BASED UPON THE CONDITIONS OF THE COP, THE COP ALLOWS WITH A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT TO EXCEED THE OCCUPANCY LEVELS, BUT NOT TO AUTHORIZE ENTERTAINMENT WHERE THE COP DOES NOT ALLOW IT.
SO IN THE FUTURE, THEY WILL NOT, THE CITY WILL NOT ISSUE A, A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT FOR ENTERTAINMENT ON THE ROOF OR ANY OTHER AREAS WHERE, UM, ENTERTAINMENT IS NOT AUTHORIZED AS PART OF THE CUP.
UH, WE DID ALSO NOTE, UM, SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL NOISE COMPLAINTS THAT WERE, UM, THAT WERE, UM, NOT FOR THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, DISCUSS THE, DISCUSS THE ISSUE OF NON-COMPLIANCE.
THE CASE THAT, UM, I MENTIONED WAS APPEALED TO THE SPECIAL MASTER SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.
THIS TIME WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE, UM, THE BOARD DISCUSS THEIR PROGRESS REPORT AND CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE JANUARY 7TH MEETING.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UH, MR. MASTER.
WHAT DID YOU, I DIDN'T EVEN HEAR WHAT YOU CALLED ME
TO MY LEFT IS MR. COREY HAYES, WHO'S THE NEW GENERAL MANAGER.
WE'VE GOT CARLOS LOPEZ, WHO'S THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE DIRECTOR, AND I'M GONNA COUGH AGAIN.
I WANNA START OFF WITH TALKING ABOUT MARCH BECAUSE THAT'S THE ACTUAL VIOLATION OF ISSUE HERE.
AND IT'S OUR OPINION THAT THIS IS NOT A VIOLATION OF THE CUP AT ALL.
THE, UH, WHAT HAPPENED IN MARCH IS THAT THERE WAS A PRIVATE ARRANGEMENT TO HAVE A VIDEO SHOOT ON THE UPPER, UH, DECK WITH A DJ DOING HIS VIDEO UP THERE, THERE WERE 10 PEOPLE MAXIMUM UP THERE, THERE WERE FILMING THIS THING.
THERE WASN'T AN EVENT, THERE WAS NO PEOPLE INVITED.
IT WAS A, A FILMING SITUATION.
AND IF YOU'LL NOTE FROM WHAT CODE SAID IN THERE, UH, COMPANION, NO NOISE COMPLAINT, IT WAS NOT, UH, OVERLY, EXCESSIVELY NOISY EITHER.
SO THAT'S WHY WE APPEAL THAT VIOLATION, BECAUSE IN OUR OPINION, HAVING A VIDEO SHOOT ON THE ROOF, THAT IS NOT ENTERTAINMENT REGARDLESS.
UM, AS YOU'LL NOTE FROM THE MATERIALS, AND WE, WE DID A DEEP DIVE INTO EVERY ONE OF THESE COMPLAINTS, ET CETERA.
THERE HAVE BEEN ZERO, UH, NOISE VIOLATIONS ON THIS PROPERTY, PERIOD.
RIGHT? THE, THE MARCH EVENT WAS NOT A NOISE VIOLATION.
THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS THAT HAPPENED FROM JULY ONWARD HAD NO NOISE VIOLATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
THE MOXIE IN OUR, IN OUR OPINION, HAS BEEN A GREAT NEIGHBOR AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING, AND COREY WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT TOO.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD SINCE WE'VE OPENED TO CONTINUE TO BE A GREAT NEIGHBOR.
REGARDING WHAT MICHAEL NOTED ABOUT THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
UM, HE PROPERTY, THERE WAS A PROPERLY ISSUED SPECIAL EVENT FOR SAMBA SUNDAY, WHICH STARTED IN JULY.
THAT IS NOW OVER SAMBA SUNDAY, UH, IF IT RETURNS WILL BE MOVED OFF OF THE UPPER UPPER DECK ANYWAY, AND IT WILL BE ON THE POOL DECK.
IT WILL TURN INTO A DAYTIME EVENT AND CO CAN EXPLAIN THAT BETTER IF YOU NEED ME, NEED HIM TO.
SO, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THE, THE MARCH VIOLATION WAS REALLY A MISTAKE RIGHT THERE.
IT WAS NOT A VIOLATION OF THE ENTERTAINMENT BAN, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT, IN OUR OPINION, ENTERTAINMENT TO HAVE A GUY UP THERE PRETENDING THAT HE'S PERFORMING, UH, REGARDLESS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE APPEALED IT.
UH, AND AGAIN, AS, AS CODE NOTED, THAT ITSELF DID NOT INVOLVE EXCESSIVE NOISE.
SO IT'S AS IF I WAS GOING UP THERE WITH A GUITAR AND STRUMMING IT AND SOMEONE'S FILMING ME.
AND THAT BECOMES ENTERTAINMENT BECAUSE, BECAUSE I'M, THAT'S A PERFORMANCE.
SO, BUT, UH, IN SOME, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE THE MOXIE HAS BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
UH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
AND SO IN MOVING FORWARD, WE HAVE PROACTIVELY MOVED TO, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS MICHAEL DISCUSSED, THAT THE, THE CITY'S TAKEN THE POSITION THAT THAT ROOFTOP CANNOT BE
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USED FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT GONNA FIGHT THAT.
WE'RE MOVING EVERYTHING DOWN TO THE SECOND LEVEL, WHICH AS IF ANYONE KNOWS, THE BUILDING IS COMPLETELY SHIELDED FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO OUR EAST.
UM, SO WE BELIEVE THAT ANY ISSUES, IF THERE WERE ANY, UH, FOR THAT, FOR THAT SPECIAL EVENT, WILL NO LONGER REOCCUR.
UM, SO WE'RE HERE TO, WE'RE HERE TO HEAR FROM YOU WHAT, AND GIVE YOU ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU'D LIKE.
UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY OUR PREFERENCE IS NOT TO KEEP COMING BACK, BUT IF THAT'S, THE BOARD'S WILL WE'LL GLADLY KEEP COMING BACK, UH, AT THE SCHEDULE YOU PREFER.
AND SO, LET ME DO, UH, LET ME DO ONE MORE THING.
'CAUSE CORY'S THE NEW, THE NEW GM, AS I NOTED, UH, NOTED.
AND HE WANTS TO JUST INTRODUCE HIMSELF AND REITERATE THE, THE MOXIE'S CONTINUED ADHERENCE WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, AS HE STATED, UH, MY NAME'S COREY HAYES.
I'VE BEEN THE GENERAL MANAGER THERE FOR ABOUT FIVE MONTHS NOW.
UM, I HAVE OVER 15 YEARS IN THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY.
UH, 10 OF THOSE FIVE YEARS WE'RE SPECIFICALLY IN FOOD AND BEVERAGE OPENING, RUNNING, UH, OPERATIONS, UH, STANDALONE RESTAURANTS AND RESTAURANTS WITHIN HOTELS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UH, I NOW LIVE HERE IN MIAMI, UH, AND HAVE BEEN HERE FOR JUST OVER A YEAR FOR MY SECOND TIME LIVING HERE.
UM, AGAIN, AS HE SAID, YOU KNOW, I DID WANNA STATE ON BEHALF OF THE MOXIE SOUTH BEACH, WE WANNA REAFFIRM OUR COMMITMENT TO FULLY, UH, MEETING THE CITY'S SOUND REQUIREMENTS AND BEING A RESPECTFUL, ENGAGED NEIGHBOR ON WASHINGTON AVENUE.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOUND MANAGEMENT IS ESSENTIAL TO KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY ENJOYABLE FOR EVERYONE.
UH, WE'RE DEDICATED TO CONSISTENTLY FOLLOWING ALL THE GUIDELINES AND STRENGTHENING OUR PROTOCOLS TO ENSURE WE ARE POSITIVE, CONSIDERATE PRESENCE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP, TRULY IN THIS EFFORT.
UM, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO KEEP, UH, WASHINGTON AVENUE A VIBRANT, UH, PART OF THE COMMUNITY HERE AT MIAMI BEACH.
BEFORE WE WRAP IT UP, I JUST WANT TO NOTE ONE MORE THING TO GILD A LILY A LITTLE BIT.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OBVIOUSLY HAS BEEN ENGAGED SIGNIFICANTLY MORE INTENSELY ON WASHINGTON AVENUE, AS WE ALL KNOW.
UM, AND AS AN EXAMPLE FROM THIS PROPERTY ON THE 20TH OF THIS MONTH, WHICH IS THE LAST SAMBA SUNDAY EVENT, THERE WERE FIVE PROACTIVE INVESTIGATIONS FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR NOISE ZERO, UH, UH, ISSUES WITH NOISE, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, SNAP, THIS IS NOT A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE, YOU KNOW, IN THE OLD DAYS IT WAS, OH, PEOPLE COMPLAIN AND IT DOESN'T TURN INTO A VIOLATION.
AND, AND NO ONE'S REALLY PAYING ATTENTION.
THERE'S A LOT OF ATTENTION ON WASHINGTON AVENUE.
THERE'S A LOT OF ATTENTION ON THIS PROPERTY, AND I CAN TELL YOU AGAIN, FIVE DIFFERENT VISITS IN ONE DAY AND, AND NO VIOLATIONS.
THAT IS, THAT'S WHY AGAIN, WE BELIEVE THE MOXIE'S BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE FOR US.
AND I GUESS I'D LIKE TO RESERVE TIME FOR REBUTTAL, BECAUSE I SEE MR. MR.
WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC, MITCH, I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE HERE FOR.
GOOD MORNING EVERY MORNING, MITCH NOVIK, 36 YEAR RESIDENT, 35 YEAR BUSINESS OWNER.
UH, MY PROPERTY SITS ROUGHLY 300 FEET AWAY FROM THE MOXIE AND, UH, I LODGE COMPLAINTS AND, UH, BELIEVE IT WAS AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER, UH, WHICH WERE PRECIPITATED BY SOME HOTEL GUESTS, WHICH HAD ARRIVED AND REQUESTED A, UH, A ROOM CHANGE BECAUSE, UH, THE, THEY CAME IN FROM EUROPE, THEY, UH, COULD NOT SLEEP.
UH, I CALLED CODE, CODE DID NOT ISSUE A VIOLATION FOR THIS INTRUSIVE NOISE, WHICH WAS CLEARLY AUDIBLE.
AND MY GRIPE ISN'T SO MUCH WITH THE MOXIE, IT'S WITH THE CODE PROCESS CODE.
UH, THE CODE OFFICERS REQUIRED MY, UH, WINDOWS AND DOORS, WHICH CAN WITHSTAND UP TO 200 MILE AN HOUR WINDS TO BE CLOSED.
UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE OLD DAYS WITH MY OLD WINDOWS, IF SOMEONE WERE TO SNEEZE FROM BELOW, I WOULD HEAR IT.
UH, AND SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS, UH, HAVE, UH, NON-IMPACT WINDOWS, AND THEY WOULD BE AFFORDED RELIEF FROM, UH, A NOISE, UH, COMPLAINT, WHEREAS I WAS NOT.
SO, UH, I BELIEVE NOISE ISSUES BEGIN RIGHT HERE.
UH, FOR THE LAST DECADE I'VE APPEARED, UH, FOR, APPEARED AND SPOKE AGAINST EVERY CUP ISSUED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH, UH, PROVIDED OR ALLOWS FOR OPEN AIR ENTERTAINMENT, WITH EXCEPTION TO THE GOOD TIME HOTEL, KNOWING THAT THAT PROPERTY WOULD IMPACT ITS NEIGHBORS.
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JUST URGE THIS BOARD TO BE MORE COGNIZANT, UH, OF NOISE, KNOWING THAT NOISE ATTRACTS NOISE AND IT SHOULD BE CONTAINED TO THE PROPERTY LINES.ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS TO SPEAK? ANYONE ON ZOOM? MICHAEL? ANYONE ON ZOOM? YES.
THERE'S ONE PERSON WITH THEIR HAND RAISED, UM, JOHANN MOORE.
MR. MOORE, WERE YOU SWORN IN THIS, UH, I CONSIDER MYSELF SWORN IN IF THAT, UH, NO, NO, NO.
I, JOHANN, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, I DO.
UH, I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF AND SIMPLY ECHO MITCH'S COMMENTS.
AS A RESIDENT OF FLAMINGO PARK, UH, UH, THE OTHER SIDE OF WASHINGTON AVENUE, THE NOISE NEEDS TO BE CONTAINED.
UH, AND I REALLY URGE PLANNING BOARD TO DENY ANY FUTURE CS THAT WOULD INVOLVE THE POSSIBILITY OF NUISANCE NOISE AFFECTING THE NEIGHBORS.
ANYBODY ELSE ON ZOOM? ANYONE JOIN IN? THERE'S NOBODY ELSE WITH THEIR HAND RAISED ON ZOOM.
BEFORE WE ASK QUESTIONS, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS ANYTHING? YEAH, JUST BRIEFLY.
I, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE, AS YOU CAN TELL, THE, THE MR. NOVAK'S, UM, CONCERNS WILL BE REMEDIED BY THE, THE MOVING OF ANY SPECIAL EVENTS OFF OF THAT OVER ROOF, RIGHT? SO THAT WAS THE, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT'S ON THE, THE LOWER POOL DECK, UM, HIS ISSUES DISAPPEAR BECAUSE THE BUILDING'S IN FRONT OF HIM.
SO, UM, AND AS, AS MICHAEL NOTED, THERE WILL BE NO MORE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS ISSUED FOR THE UPPER ROOF.
SO THAT, THAT ISSUE IS IN THE PAST, IF IT, IT WASN'T AT ALL.
I WILL NOTE THIS CODE, ENFORCEMENT NOTES FOR THE, THE COMPLAINT IN SEPTEMBER.
SO THE, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS NEVER FOUND THE MUSIC FROM THIS PROPERTY TO BE EXCESSIVE.
WITH THAT, WE'RE HERE FOR YOU.
UM, WHY DON'T WE JUST GO WORDLY, SCOTT AND GRAHAM.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT, UM, JOHANN SAID, UM, AND IT MAKES SENSE, OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE, YOU, YOU'RE AGREEING TO MOVE THE, THE, UH, ANY SPECIAL EVENTS DOWN TO THE SECOND LEVEL, AND THAT'S GONNA HELP OUT MITCH.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT NOISE THEN COULD TRICKLE INTO THE FLAMINGO, A PARK NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE WEST.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, UM, RESIDENTIAL UNITS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM YOU, BUT MUSIC TRAVELS, UM, AND IT COULD WAFFLE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT, UM, MOVING FORWARD.
I KNOW YOU'RE A MUCH BETTER OPERATOR THAN, THAN SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES ON WASHINGTON AVENUE.
UM, BUT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK YOU REALLY NEED TO, TO, UM, BE COGNIZANT OF.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE, WE'RE DOING THIS TO HELP MITCH MM-HMM,
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST MOVING FORWARD, JUST BE AWARE OF THAT.
AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO COME BACK TO US, BUT I THINK MAYBE AFTER A FEW MONTHS, UM, I THINK PROBABLY YOU SHOULD, BECAUSE WE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, JUST GET A, AN IDEA OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AFTER A COUPLE OF EVENTS ON THE, ON THE SECOND LEVEL POOL DECK.
I ALWAYS LOVE SEEING EVERYONE.
IT'S JUST, UH, THE CLIENT DOESN'T LIKE PAYING FOR.
ALL I WOULD NOTE, SCOTT, JUST AS A, UH, AGAIN, AS ANOTHER DETAIL, THE, THE MOXIE HAS A, YOU KNOW, MODERN CUP THAT REQUIRES A UNIFIED SOUND SYSTEM.
THERE'S NO INDEPENDENT SPEAKERS, ET CETERA.
ALL THOSE SPEAKERS ON THE SECOND FLOOR HAVE ALREADY BEEN THERE SINCE THE BUILDING WAS BUILT.
UM, SO ANY EVENTS THAT OCCUR ON THE, THAT SECOND LEVEL WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME LIMITATION.
WE, AND I GUESS THE, THE VALUE OF HAVING CORY AND CARLOS HERE IS THAT THEY'RE HEARING IT DIRECTLY FROM THE BOARD, AND THEY'LL MAKE SURE THEIR FOLKS UNDERSTAND IT CLEARLY.
YEAH, I'LL ECHO SCOTT'S, UH, CONCERN ABOUT ANY POTENTIAL UNFORESEEN, UM, NOISE ISSUES HEADING TOWARDS THE WEST FROM THE SECOND LEVEL.
HOWEVER, THERE ISN'T REALLY A HISTORY OF NOISE COMPLAINTS FROM THAT AREA.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M OPEN TO EITHER BRINGING, BRINGING THEM OXY BACK IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS OR, OR CLOSING THIS OUT TODAY AND LET'S LET THE PROCESS PLAY OUT.
I THINK THAT THIS HAS BEEN A SUCCESSFUL EXAMPLE OF WHERE THERE HAS BEEN AN ISSUE OR DISCREPANCY AND SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS AND POTENTIAL CODE VIOLATIONS.
IT'S COME TO THIS BOARD AND THEY'VE AGREED TO TAKE ACTIONS TO REMEDY, REMEDY THAT.
SO I'M COMFORTABLE, UH, GOING EITHER WAY ON THIS.
UH, HAPPY TO, TO, YOU KNOW, SEE IT CLOSE OUT TODAY, UM, AS WELL.
UH, JUST A LITTLE INTERESTING NOTE HERE.
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YOU KNOW, LATER ON IN THE AGENDA WE HAVE AN ITEM ABOUT INCENTIVIZING RESIDENTIAL USE ALONG THE SAME STREET.SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL HAVE TO BE AWARE OF IS WHEN YOU MIX USES SUCH AS RESIDENTIAL AND ENTERTAINMENT, YOU KNOW, THESE SORTS OF ITEMS CAN APPEAR, UH, MORE FREQUENTLY.
UH, BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE MOXIE, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS.
UM, YEAH, I, I MEAN, I'M, I'M GLAD THE SITUATION'S BEING REMEDIED.
HOPEFULLY, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST, I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY TO CLOSE IT OUT, BUT I THINK IF WE CAN CONTINUE IT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S NO OTHER ISSUES THEN WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO HAVE LIKE A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
BUT, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A, THE ISSUE TAKEN CARE OF.
AND I GUESS, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, THE, THE COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR THE NOISE COMPLAINTS, THEY'VE ALL BEEN RELATED TO THE ROOFTOP IS, IS BASED ON WHAT I CAN TELL, RIGHT? THE DO YOU SEE, WHEN SAMBA SUNDAY STARTED, WHICH WAS IN JULY, THERE WAS RELIABLY A COMPLAINT THAT SUNDAY EVERY MONTH.
SO THAT, AND THAT WAS ON THE ROOM.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHERE WE, WE ANTICIPATE THE ISSUES ARE COMING FROM.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT FROM ANYTHING ELSE.
I, I WOULD, MY, I GUESS THOUGHT WOULD BE TO PUT, TO LIKE, PUSH IT OFF FOR LIKE SIX MONTHS.
UH, NOT NECESSARILY JUST NOVEMBER, BUT JUST PUSH IT OFF JUST TO SEE HOW THINGS GO AND, UM, SEE HOW THE, LEMME SEE.
IS THERE A WAY TO PUSH IT OFF, BUT IF THERE'S NO ISSUES IN THE SIX MONTHS, YOU CAN REMOVE IT? OR IS THAT NOT POSSIBLE? NO, I THINK ONCE WE SET OUT IN THE AGENDA, JUST THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU COULD MAKE IT CLEAR IF, IF THERE'S NO ISSUES JUST COME BACK AND PRESENT, YOU KNOW, JUST A, A QUICK UPDATE.
UM, BUT I THINK THE I KNOW, BUT THAT'S, BUT THEN THEY GOTTA PAY 'EM TO DO THAT.
I'M ASKING YOU IS IF, IF WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, IS THERE A METHODOLOGY FOR PUTTING IT SIX MONTHS? I GUESS YOU COULD STATE, YOU TELL US THERE'S BEEN NO ISSUES, IT CAN BE REMOVED AUTOMATICALLY.
YEAH, I THINK IF, IF THE BOARD IS CLEAR THAT IF THERE HAVE BEEN, THAT IF WE SET, UH, A MEETING DATE AND IF NO, UM, VIOLATIONS HAVE BEEN ISSUED, WE HAVE TO MAKE IT CLEAR.
IS IT COMPLAINTS OR, YOU KNOW, UM, OR, OR VALID NOISE COMPLAINTS OR, OR, OR COMPLAINTS SEEM TO BE, UM, UM, VALID BY, BY CODE, RIGHT? IF THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY, THEN THE PROGRESS REPORT, UM, DOES NOT HAVE TO COME BACK.
I WOULD, I, TO MITCH'S POINT THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN INHERENT ISSUE WITH THE, WITH, WITH CODE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A DJ ON THE ROOF CODE COMES TO THE HOTEL.
I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING, BUT WE CAN SAY, WE CAN SAY CUSTOMER, I JUST HATE THAT.
IF THERE'S REALLY NO ISSUES TO MAKE THEM PAY A LAWYER, I, BECAUSE I KNOW EXPENSIVE, HE, I COMPLETELY AGREE.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, WHAT MICHAEL IS SAYING IS THAT IT, TO DO THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE AN ACTUAL VIOLATION ISSUED.
NO, I'M SAYING WE COULD DO SITE AS A BOARD, IT COULD BE COMPLAINT FROM THE RESIDENTS.
WITHOUT AN ACTUAL CODE VIOLATION.
SO WE COULD SAY IF THERE HAVE BEEN NO COMPLAINTS RIGHT, NO RESIDENTIAL COMPLAINTS, THEN WE'LL REMOVE IT ADMINISTRATIVELY.
IF NOT, WE'LL PUT IT ON THE CALENDAR FOR SIX MONTHS.
SO YOU WANT TO SET IT FOR, UM, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW? YEAH, LET ME FINISH WITH THERE.
I I MEAN, I, I JUST DON'T WANNA FINISH YELL OR MELISSA.
YOU HAVE NOT, OKAY, GO AHEAD MELISSA.
WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE.
ELIZABETH, HI, UM, I HAVE A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
UM, AM I TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NO ENTERTAINMENT ON THE ROOF, ON THE UPPER ROOF, ON THE UPPER ROOF, THE LOWER, AND THAT'S WHERE THIS COMPLAINT WAS.
UM, WHY WAS THERE A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT ISSUED? 'CAUSE THERE WAS SOME, UM, MISCOMMUNICATION OR MISUNDERSTANDING OF, UM, THE CONDITIONS OF THE COP AND WHERE THE, UM, SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT COULD ALLOW ENTERTAINMENT OR NOT.
HOW, HOW IS IT UNCLEAR WHEN IT SAYS HOURS OF ENTERTAINMENT AND NO, NONE ON THE ROOF? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A SPECIAL PERMIT E EVENT PROCESS THAT'S BROKEN THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE IF THEY'RE BEING ISSUED AND, AND, AND, UH, I DON'T, THAT THEY CAN'T DETERMINE FROM THE CUP THAT THEN THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND I THINK THAT THE MANAGER, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S BEING ADDRESSED NOW, BUT I THINK THE MANAGER NEEDS TO ALSO UNDERSTAND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF, OF NOT COMPLYING WITH THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO, AND I, AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE HISTORY OF, IN TERMS OF WHO WAS CONTACTED TO SEE, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING WHAT I THINK IN THIS CASE, AT LEAST FOR THIS PROPERTY, THIS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED ON THE RECORD AND I THINK WE'RE ALL CLEAR FOR THIS PROPERTY.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG IF THEY CAN'T DETERMINE WHAT THE RULES ARE.
WELL, SO, SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE, YOU'LL SEE IT IN A COP WE HAVE LATER ON IN THE AGENDA, OR I DID TRY TO CLARIFY WHAT A SPECIAL EVENT, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S CRYSTAL CLEAR WHAT A SPECIAL EVENT COULD AUTHORIZE.
SO I'M, AGAIN, IT'S TO THE, THE STAFF OF THE HOTEL.
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THEY ARE ARE AWARE NOW.SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S BEING TAKEN CARE OF.
SO YES, WE, UH, TO AGAIN, ON THE RECORD, I'M GOOD WITH, WE HAVE THE ISSUE.
ALRIGHT, SO JONATHAN'S GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT IT'LL BE MOVED SIX MONTHS AND IF THERE'S ANY RESIDENTIAL COMPLAINTS, WE'LL COME BACK AND IF NOT, IT'LL BE DISMISSED.
SO WE'LL, THIS WOULD BE, WE WOULD SCHEDULE THEN, UM, ANTICIPATING FOR THE MAY 6TH YES.
AND IF THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL COMPLAINTS, IT'LL BE ADMINISTRATIVELY DISMISSED.
[9. PB24-0662. Conditional Use Regulations for Grocery and Convenience Stores in CD-3 zoning on Lincoln Road.]
UP, UH, PLANNING BOARD FILE.WE'RE MOVING THIS OUT OF IT'S NUMBER NINE TO SEVEN.
IT'S PLANNING BOARD FILE 24 0 6 6 2 CONDITIONAL USE REGULATIONS FOR GROCERY AND CONVENIENCE STORES IN CD THREE ZONING ON LINCOLN ROAD.
AND BEFORE I TURN OVER TO MR. KAAN, I JUST WANNA, UM, GO OVER OUR STAFF REPORT AND OUR RECOMMENDATION.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS PPP 24 0 6 6 2.
UH, THIS IS FOR CONDITION REGULATIONS FOR GROCERY STORES AND CD THREE ZONING ON LINCOLN ROAD.
UM, THIS APPLICATION WAS BEFORE THE BOARD LAST MONTH.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE, THE INITIAL APPLICATION INCLUDED A REQUEST FOR BOTH G AN OPTION FOR BOTH GROCERY AND CONVENIENCE STORES IN THIS AREA.
THIS REVISED APPLICATION NOW ONLY PERTAINS TO REQUESTS FOR, FOR GROCERY STORES IN THIS AREA.
ON PAGE ONE OF OUR STAFF OF WHAT WE DID OUTLINE SOME PRIOR ISSUE, PRIOR HISTORY REGARDING, UM, USES AND HOW CONVENIENCE STORES AND, UM, GROCERY STORES OR PREVIOUSLY PROHIBITED PROHIBITED IN THIS AREA.
NOW WITH THE APPLICANT'S, UM, REVISED UPDATE, THEY'RE NOW REQUESTING APPROVAL ONLY FOR AN AUTHORIZATION TO ALLOW A GROCERY STORE SUBJECT TO CONDITIONAL USE REVIEW.
SO ANY SORT OF GROCERY STORE IN THIS AREA THAT WAS PROPOSED WOULD COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR REVIEW.
UM, WE ARE RECOMMENDING HOWEVER, THAT, THAT THE ORDINANCES DRAFTED IS TOO OPEN-ENDED.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THE DEFINITION FOR A GROCERY STORE IS OVERLY BROAD AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME, UM, MORE CONSTRAINTS TO ENSURE THAT SOMEONE DOESN'T TRY TO GAME THE SYSTEM AND HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S MIS GRADING AS A GROCERY STORE IS NOT REALLY A GROCERY STORE AND RESULT IN SOMETHING THAT IS NOT REALLY BENEFICIAL AND COULD, YOU KNOW, BE NEGATIVE TO HERE.
SO WE ARE, WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS GENERAL CONCEPT, BUT WE DO BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME FURTHER DEVELOPMENT SO THAT WE HAVE A DEFINITION, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR A SPECIALTY GROCERY STORE, IT MAY HAVE MINIMUM, UM, SIZE REQUIREMENTS, IT MAY HAVE MINIMUM PERCENTAGES OF, UM, UM, FOOD ITEMS OR SPECIALTY FOOD ITEMS, AND PROBABLY WOULD HAVE RESTRICTION ON THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND PERCENTAGES OF ACCESSORY ITEMS TO ENSURE THAT REALLY MEETS THE INTENTION OF, UM, A SPECIALTY GROCERY STORE.
AS THE BOARD KNOWS, ONCE A, UM, A USE IS APPROVED, ALTHOUGH WE MAY A APPLICANT OR A CHANGE OF OPERATOR MAY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR REVIEW, THE BOARD CAN'T NECESSARILY THEN DENY A NEW OWNER OR PROPERTY OWNER, UM, IF THEY MEET THE, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE.
SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE TIGHTEN UP THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
SO FOR THAT REASON, WE, I RECOMMEND THAT THE BOARD PROVIDE SOME COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK AND CONTINUE THIS APPLICATION TO THE JANUARY 7TH MEETING.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, SSON, CADEN AND CECILIA TORRES, TOLEDO OF AKERMAN REPRESENTING FOUR 20 LINCOLN ROAD ASSOCIATES.
WE HAVE A PRESENTATION IF WE COULD PUT THAT PRESENTATION UP, SO I'D GO THROUGH IT.
I'M GONNA TRY TO USE THIS NEWFANGLED EQUIPMENT HERE TO MAKE SURE I KNOW HOW TO DO IT.
UH, SO I THINK MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT THIS BLOCK, THE 400 BLOCK OF LINCOLN ROAD, UH, IS OWNED BY AMBASSADOR PAUL SAJA.
HE HAS OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR DECADES AND HE HAS DONE A MAGNIFICENT JOB IN RESTORING AND CURATING THE PROPERTY OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME, INCLUDING COMPLETE RESTORATION OF THE FACADE, THE HISTORIC FACADE OF THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS BRINGING IN, UH, QUALITY TENANTS.
MOST RECENTLY, UH, THE ZARA STORE, WHICH IS ON THE CORNER OF LINCOLN AND WASHINGTON, IS BEING GREATLY EXPANDED AND WILL NOW BECOME A FLAGSHIP ZARA STORE, WHICH WILL OCCUPY MOST OF THE GROUND FLOOR ON THE LINCOLN ROADSIDE.
UH, I THINK YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY.
IT REALLY IS TWO PROPERTIES THAT ENCOMPASS EVERYTHING FROM, UH, LINCOLN TO 16TH, FROM DREXEL TO WASHINGTON AVENUE, AND INCLUDES A SPACE KNOWN AS THE TIMEOUT MARKET.
UH, THE IMPORTANT THING, ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS PROPERTY, WHICH MAKES IT TRULY UNIQUE AMONG NOT ONLY PROPERTIES ON LINCOLN ROAD, BUT PROBABLY ALL COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON MIAMI BEACH, IS THE HISTORIC NATURE AND DESIGN OF THIS PROPERTY.
UH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT AS THE MERCANTILE NATIONAL BANK BUILDING.
AND, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE FOR MANY YEARS, THE GROUND FLOOR MAIN TENANT FROM THE TIME THE BUILDING WAS BUILT, UH, 1939 OR SO UNTIL THE 1980S, WAS A WOOLWORTH DEPARTMENT STORE
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FOR THOSE OF US WHO CAN REMEMBER WOOLWORTHS.AND IT OCCUPIED PROBABLY 60, 70, OR 80,000 SQUARE FEET ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
WHY? BECAUSE THE BUILDING HAS ENORMOUS DEPTH, WHICH IS CONDUCIVE TO USES OF THAT KIND.
UH, AND ON THE CORNER AS WELL WAS A LIGGETTS DRUGSTORE.
UH, AND SO THAT WAS A LOT OF THE GROUND FLOOR SPACE AT THAT BUILDING.
THEN THERE WAS THE OLD BEACH THEATER ON THE OTHER SIDE.
UH, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS QUITE SIMPLE.
IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO THE, UH, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO ALLOW A GROCERY STORE AS A CONDITIONAL USE.
NOW, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT TODAY IN THE TIMEOUT MARKET SPACE, THAT'S PERMITTED AS A MATTER OF, RIGHT? BUT IF THE TIMEOUT MARKET SPACE IS COMBINED WITH O THE OTHER PROPERTY, IT WILL THEN BECOME WITHIN THE WASHINGTON AVENUE OVERLAY, THE MIMO OVERLAY, UH, WHICH HAS LIMITATIONS ON GROCERY STORES.
SO WE ARE ACTUALLY GONNA BE SUBJECTING THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROPERTY, OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS FOR GROCERY STORE.
I THINK THOSE OF YOU, MANY OF YOU UNDERSTAND THAT PROPERTIES, BUILDINGS, WITH THE KIND OF DEPTH AND FLOOR PLATE SIZE THAT THIS BUILDING HAS ARE NOT SUITED TO HAVE TENANTS THAT WOULD NEED A LOT OF STREET FRONTAGE, EITHER RESTAURANT OR RETAIL ON LINCOLN ROAD.
AND SO THEREFORE, IN ORDER TO BROADEN THE MARKET, THE APPEAL FOR GOOD QUALITY TENANTS, WE NEED TO SOMEWHAT BROADEN THE USES.
AND ONE OF THE USES IS WOULD BE FOR A GROCERY STORE.
AND THIS IS THE SIMPLE, UH, LEGISLATION, UH, THAT, UH, THAT IT WOULD PERMITTED ON THAT BLOCK AS A CONDITIONAL USE, UH, WITH ENTRANCE OF THE, FOR THE FRONTAGE OF RETAIL FRONTAGE ONLY ON WASHINGTON OR DREXEL AVENUE.
UH, THIS, THIS REQUEST IS, UH, CONSISTENT, UH, WITH THE DIRECTION THAT WASHINGTON AVENUE AND LINCOLN ROAD EAST ARE NOW GOING IN, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO IN MAKING THIS A BETTER ENVIRONMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
UH, TO HAVE A GROCER, EVEN IF IT IS A SMALLER GROCER, WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS, WHICH IS THE PROCESS THAT YOU ARE THE JUDGES FOR, IS A SIGNIFICANT CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE USE THAT COMES IN IS THE APPROPRIATE USE.
AND AGAIN, TO REPEAT THE HISTORIC FLOOR PLATES, I MEAN, IF WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT, UH, UH, ADAPTIVE REUSE OF BUILDINGS, GIVEN THEIR HISTORIC CHARACTER AND NATURE, THERE MUST BE ALLOWANCE FOR LARGER FLOOR PLATE USES IN BUILDINGS OF THIS SORT.
UM, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S PLANS WITH REGARD TO WASHINGTON AVENUE.
THE OVERLAY, WHICH YOU ARE MAYBE NOT CONSIDERING TODAY, BUT WILL BE CONSIDERING SHORTLY TO ENHANCE RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, REDEVELOPMENT OF WASHINGTON AVENUE AS FAR AS GROCERY STORES IN TERMS OF MAJOR GROCERS.
NONE ARE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THIS PART OF WASHINGTON AVENUE.
AND SO THIS WOULD BE AN AMENITY FOR RESIDENTS OF THIS AREA.
NOW, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE PROBABLY LIKE A PUBLIX OR A LARGE, UH, UH, FOOTPRINT MARKET, BUT PROBABLY A SMALLER, MORE, 10 MORE TOWARDS A HIGHER END MARKET.
BUT THAT WOULD STILL SERVICE THE NEEDS OF RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
ANOTHER THING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, REMEMBER WHEN THIS FIRST WAS PROPOSED, WE WERE GOING TO INCLUDE CONVENIENCE STORES.
CONVENIENCE STORES, UH, COULD INCLUDE LIKE A CVS PHARMACY WITHOUT A PHARMACY.
THERE WAS A PUSHBACK FROM THE PLANNING STAFF, THEY DID.
AND THEIR LAST RECOMMENDATION WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE YOU WAS, WAS GOING TO COME BEFORE YOU WAS NO CONVENIENCE STORES.
THAT WAS THE ONLY RECOMMENDATION BY THE PLANNING STAFF.
AND THERE WAS SOME PUSHBACK FROM SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON LINCOLN ROAD WHO DON'T WANT TO SEE CONVENIENCE STORES IN THE AREA, EVEN THOUGH IT WOULDN'T FRONT ON LINCOLN ROAD.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS THERE'S A VERY DISTINCT DIFFERENCE IN DEFINITION BETWEEN GROCERY STORE AND CONVENIENCE STORE.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW, WHAT IS PUT UP ON THE SCREEN, A GROCERY STORE PRIMARILY SELLS FOOD.
A CONVENIENCE STORE IS STOCKED TO SELL A MIXTURE OF GOODS, AND IT GOES ON TO LIST A WHOLE NUMBER OF THEM.
SO A GROCERY STORE IS NOT A CONVENIENCE STORE, AND THAT THAT IS IN THE CITY'S CODE, AS I MENTIONED.
THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS A CHECK WHICH YOU WILL OVERSEE.
AND AMONG THE LIMITATIONS IMPOSED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS ARE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, MORALS AND GENERAL WELFARE SHALL NOT BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED.
MAYBE MORE IMPORTANTLY, NECESSARY
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SAFEGUARDS WILL BE PROVIDED FOR THE PROTECTION OF SURROUNDING PROPERTY PERSONS AND NEIGHBORHOOD VALUES.YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT WHEN YOU'RE APPROVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND FINALLY, CONCENTRATION OF SIMILAR TYPES OF USES SHALL NOT CREATE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
GEOGRAPHIC CONCENTRATION OR SIMILAR TYPES OF CONDITIONAL USES SHOULD BE DISCOURAGED.
YOU CAN USE ALL THOSE, APPLY ALL THOSE CRITERIA IN REVIEWING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I WOULD SAY WE DO, DO NOT, UH, FAVOR, UH, HAVING A FINER DEF A SPECIFIC DEFINITION OF GOURMET GROCER.
I MEAN, I WILL TELL YOU QUITE FRANKLY, THAT'S A RABBIT HOLE THAT WE SHOULD NOT GO DOWN BECAUSE IF WE GET SO PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT WHAT IS AND WHAT IS NOT, FIRST OF ALL, HOW CAN YOU COME UP WITH LANGUAGE THAT IS ACTUALLY LEGAL ENFORCEABLE LANGUAGE? BUT SECOND OF ALL, IF YOU GET SO PRESCRIPTIVE, MY EXPERIENCE IS YOU'LL MISS SOMETHING THAT EITHER DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR SOMETHING OR ACCOUNTS FOR SOMETHING THAT'S A PROBLEM.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, I IF YOU WOULD NOTICE NONE OF THE OTHER RETAIL USES ON LINCOLN ROAD OR RESTAURANT USES HAVE THAT KIND OF PROVISION.
WHY SHOULD GROCERY STORES, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE ANYWAY, HAVE SPECIFIC DEFINING LANGUAGE, WHICH I BELIEVE NOT.
I BELIEVE IN MY EXPERIENCE, VERY OFTEN, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, MISSES THE MARK.
LET'S NOT BE OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE.
UM, AND FINALLY, AS I'VE MENTIONED TO YOU BEFORE, THE EXISTING SPACE, BECAUSE OF ITS LARGE FLOOR PLATES, IS UH, UH, IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR USES THAT ARE SOMEWHAT LARGER.
AND HERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HISTORIC PICTURES.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK THE ONE IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER, IT MIGHT BE ME WHEN I JUST GRADUATED LAW SCHOOL, GETTING A HOT DOG AT, UH, WOOLWORTHS.
UH, BUT THOSE, THAT WAS THE MAIN GROUND FLOOR TENANT.
AND LIGGETTS THE DRUGSTORE WAS THE OTHER GROUND FLOOR TENANT.
AND THIS IS A, A LOOK INSIDE THE INNARDS OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE THE SIZE OF THE FLOOR PLATES AND HOW FAR THEY ARE OFF OF LINCOLN ROAD.
UM, AS A RESULT, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ACCOMMODATION FOR SOMEWHAT LARGER USES THAT ARE NOT TYPICAL OF STREET RETAIL IN LINCOLN ROAD OR EVEN WASHINGTON AVENUE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE OTHER PART OF THE PROPERTY IS THE, UH, WITH THE TIMEOUT MARKET, UH, UH, WHICH, UH, IS A LARGE SPACE, OBVIOUSLY IS IDEAL FOR BEING USED AS A, UH, A MARKET AGAIN.
AND SO THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION.
WE'D REQUEST YOUR, UH, APPROVAL OF THIS VERY MODEST REQUEST TO ALLOW THIS BUILDING TO FUNCTION AS IT HISTORICALLY WAS INTENDED TO, AS IT IS DESIGNED TO DO AND FOR USE THAT WE BELIEVE IS VERY COMPLIMENTARY TO WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE WASHINGTON AVENUE AND EAST END OF LINCOLN ROAD.
UH, ANYONE IN CHAMBERS SPEAK ON THIS? NO.
ANNABELLE YI'S, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE LINCOLN ROAD BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT KNOW, THE, THE BID REPRESENTS OVER 70 FOLIOS, APPROXIMATELY OVER 65 LANDLORDS THAT ENCOMPASS THE BIDS DISTRICT.
AND WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH MR.
UM, WE ARE CONCERNED, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF FRAMEWORK AND GUARDRAILS WHEN IT COMES TO GROCERY STORES, THE CITY'S PUTTING A LOT OF EFFORT, AS ARE THE LANDLORDS TO BRING HIGH QUALITY BETTER F AND B TO THE ROAD.
AND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT WILL INCLUDE CLOSING AND PEDESTRIAN DREXEL.
AND WE SEE THAT THIS WILL BE AN UPGRADE TO THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THE ROAD.
THE APPLICANT, OBVIOUSLY IN THE BEGINNING PRESENTED CONVENIENCE STORE AND GROCERY STORE AND THAT REALLY RAISED A BIG RED FLAG FOR EVERYONE ON THE BOARD.
AND OUR CONCERN IS THERE ISN'T ENOUGH GUARDRAILS TO WHAT A GROCERY STORE CAN BE RIGHT NOW.
A CONVENIENCE STORE CAN BE CONSIDERED A GROCERY STORE.
AS YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO ANY GROCERY STORE, A CONVENIENCE STORE, YOU CAN FIND A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS.
I THINK WE ALL WANT THE SAME THINGS AS HAVING A GOURMET GROCERY STORE.
WE'RE ALIGNED WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT.
WE'RE JUST CONCERNED THAT IT'S NOT SPECIFIC ENOUGH AND IT CAN LEAD ROOM FOR OTHER THINGS TO COME IN AND FRANKLY, ALSO FOR THE CITY.
NO, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO EVEN IF WE ELIMINATE THE WORD CONVENIENCE STORES, YOU'RE CONCERNED THAT JUST GENERICALLY
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GROCERY STORE COULD BE A CONVENIENCE STORE.IT'S NOT A, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL.
SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF AMBIGUITY ACTUALLY, A LOT OF HOW THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED.
SO I THINK SO IS YOUR ARGUMENT YOU'D WANT A MORE DEF DEFINITIONAL CORRECT WORD VERBIAGE FOR WHAT A GROCERY STORE IS SO THAT HIS ENDING POINT WAS THAT'LL PIGEONHOLE AND YOU'RE SAYING NO, WE NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT CONSTITUTES A GROCERY STORE.
AND I, AND I THINK THE BOARD, ALONG WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WERE VERY MUCH ALIGNED.
WE ALL CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION AS THE STAFF.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OR A LOT OF WHAT DOES ZACH OR MAKE GROCERY STORE STORE LOOK LIKE? WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS FOR THAT DESCRIPTION IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING THEY WANT TO DO ACTUALLY HAPPENS.
SO, AND IT ALSO FRANKLY PUTS THE STAFF IN A LITTLE BIT MORE OF VULNER SITUATION IF LATER ON SOMEONE ELSE COMES IN AND WANTS TO DO SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND THAT AFTER IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE ON THIS LOCATION.
SO CAN I ASK YOU REAL QUICK, DO YOU ALL HAVE A TENANT IDENTIFIED? NOT YET.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S USUALLY HOW THE PROCESS IS.
THEY HAVE A TENANT IDENTIFIED, IT COMES TO THE BOARD AND THEN OUR BOARD AND WE ALL ALIGN AND WE ALL SUPPORT AND APPROVE IT.
THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN IN OTHER SITUATIONS.
SO WE ARE ALIGNED WITH BRINGING IN A GOURMET GROCER.
WE'RE JUST CONCERNED THAT IT'S TOO OPEN-ENDED RIGHT NOW.
LET ME ASK SOMETHING JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY.
DID YOU CONSIDER PUBLIX THE GROCERY STORE THAT YOU'D WANT THERE OR NO? NO.
WHOLE FOODS I THINK, I THINK EPIC.
TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE, SORRY.
YOU KNOW, WHICH OBVIOUSLY DON'T EXIST TODAY.
UM, AS MR SAID, DINA DELUCA AGAIN DOES NOT EXIST TODAY.
THERE, THERE ISN'T A WHOLE LOT, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE OUT THERE.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME, AND WE WROTE IT IN THE LETTER, THE SUPPORT THAT WE SUBMITTED.
YOU KNOW, WE DO IDENTIFY THERE ARE SOME THAT COULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE WHOLE DISTRICT AND THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES SURROUNDING LINCOLN ROAD, BUT AS IT IS TODAY, WE DON'T FEEL THAT THERE IS ENOUGH GUARDRAILS TO GO THAT ROUTE.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE APPLICANT IF THERE ARE BETTER, UH, GUARDRAILS ON THE DESCRIPTION OF A GROCERY STORE.
SO YOU'RE NOT OPPOSED TO WE JUST WANT A GOURMET, YOU WANT A VERY HIGH END UNDERSTAND WE WANT SOMETHING THAT WILL COMPLIMENT HOW THE ROAD IS LOOKING IN THE FUTURE FOR HER.
OH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE NOT DONE WITH THE PUBLIC.
YOU JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU.
'CAUSE I, I READ THE LETTER FROM THE LINCOLN ROAD BID.
I GUESS WHAT WOULD THE CONCERN BE FOR PUBLIX WHO'S GENERALLY BEEN KNOWN ONCE THEY GO INTO AN AREA TO REALLY KIND OF REVIVE IT? WHAT WOULD THE LINCOLN ROAD BIDS CONCERN BE SPECIFICALLY FOR A GROCER SUCH AS PUBLIX? WELL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T THINK A PUBLIX WOULD, WOULD GO IN THAT LOCATION.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR THAT TYPE OF GROCERY STORE.
BUT THEY HAVE THEIR GREENWISE, YOU KNOW, OPTIONS, WHICH ARE USUALLY SMALLER F YOU KNOW, FOOTPRINTS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN DIFFERENT CITIES KIND OF POP UP.
SO LET'S SAY SOMETHING LIKE PUBLIX AGAIN, LET'S SAY IT COULD FIT OR THEY WANTED TO GO THERE, WHAT WOULD THE CONCERN BE? AGAIN, I, I THINK WHAT WE WANT IS A MORE ELEVATED GROCER.
SOMETHING THAT WOULD BRING THE RIGHT AUDIENCE AND IT COULD SUPPORT THE ELEVATION OF WHERE LINCOLN ROAD IS GOING TODAY.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF BRINGING A GROCER, IT'S JUST THE RIGHT GROCER THAT WOULD FIT WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING.
ALL THE GREAT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING ON LINCOLN ROAD, YOU KNOW, IN THAT CORNER ALONE WE HAVE UNDER IS OPENING UP ON THE 31ST.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GETTING NEGRONI, WE'RE GETTING MEDITERRANEAN, MEDUSA, WHICH IS A HIGH END RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE STREET.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT THINGS HAPPENING ON LINCOLN ROAD, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENS ALIGNS WITH THAT GROWTH AND NOT BECOME DETRIMENTAL TO WHAT ALREADY IS HAPPENED.
NO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S THE BALANCE BECAUSE IF YOU, IF YOU OVER DEFINE IT, THEN YOU'RE REALLY LIMITING THE UNIVERSE OF POTENTIAL TENANTS.
BUT I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND SO I THINK IT'S HIS QUESTION'S A GOOD ONE IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO UNDERST IT'S A WHOLE FOODS TO YOU HIGHER END OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JUST THE DEAN AND DELUCAS OF THE WORLD OF THE, WELL AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST ECHOING WHAT THE APPLICANTS HAS SAID THAT THEY WANT.
YOU KNOW, THEY SAY THEY WANT A HIGH-END GROCER.
I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT THAT IS.
WELL, AGAIN, IT'S NOT AN ALDI, IT'S NOT A WINN-DIXIE.
YEAH, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S A PLUM MARKET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A UNIQUE SOMETHING, A NICHE RETAILER THAT SELLS, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T SELL FOOD SERVICE.
THAT ARE UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT.
AND THOUGH THEY CAN BE DEFINED.
UM, I'VE DONE RETAIL LEASES FOR 30 SOMETHING YEARS.
I, IT CAN BE DEFINED AND IT CAN BE LIMITED
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TO WHAT, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR.IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO UPGRADE THE AREA AND TO HAVE RESIDENTS, THEN YOU NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT CAN SUPPORT THAT.
ALL RIGHT, HOLD ON ONE SECOND, LOU, WE'RE GONNA GET TO THE BOARD.
I, I JUST, I KNOW, I KNOW THE BOARD KNOWS THIS, BUT, BUT WE SHOULD AVOID MAKING LEGISLATIVE DECISIONS BASED ON, UH, PARTICULAR BRANDS.
I THINK YOU CAN, YOU CAN DEFINE A USE AS BROADLY OR AS PRESCRIPTIVELY AS YOU LIKE.
UM, AND YOU CAN INCLUDE IN YOUR DEFINITION THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT, THAT YOU WOULD WANNA SEE IN, IN A GROCERY STORE.
BUT YOU, I WOULD AVOID MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON, UH, THE BASED ON THE BRAND.
NO, I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT HER VISION IS OF A GROCERY STORE.
BUT ANYWAY, ARE, ARE YOU FINISHED? UH, AND I JUST WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING AS A BOARD IS TO, TO COME BACK WITH THE STAFF WITH MR. NISO AND WORK TOGETHER TO DEFINE THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE OPEN TO WORKING WITH HIM AND WE WANNA SUPPORT MR. SEJA AND HIS VISION, BUT I THINK AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS, IT'S A LITTLE TOO BROAD AND I THINK YOU COULD REALLY HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES DOWN THE ROAD.
ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS? WE DO HAVE SOME MORE CALLERS ON, ON ZOOM.
UH, OUR NEXT CALLER IS, UH, LYLE STERN.
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING.
LYLE STERN, SEVEN 30 LINCOLN ROAD.
UH, I WON'T RESTATE THE BID'S POSITION.
UH, ANNABELLE'S ALREADY DONE THAT.
UM, I THINK YOUR PLANNING STAFF AS USUAL NAILED IT GREATLY, WHICH IS THE CURRENT DEFINITION FOR GROCERY STORE IS VERY BROAD AND IT COULD APPLY TO WILD VARIETY OF MERCHANTS SELL FOOD ON, ON PAGE SIX.
I THINK THAT, UH, AND I, I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR MR. KADEN AND, AND AMBASSADOR TEJAS, BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MR. KADEN'S CONCERNED ABOUT GOING DOWN A RABBIT HOLE, UH, REALLY JUST DOESN'T HOLD ANY WATER HERE.
THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE TYPE OF USE TO DEFINE, UH, WE SHOULDN'T BE CONCERNED ABOUT ATTEMPTING TO DEFINE WHAT WE WANT, SORRY, WHAT WE WANT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WITH WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING TO DO WITH INCREASED THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY ALONG WASHINGTON AVENUE AND ALONG LINCOLN ROAD.
AND WITH THE THREE AND A HALF BILLION DOLLARS OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG COLLINS AVENUE NORTH OF LINCOLN, WE SHOULD ALL BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT HERE.
WE THINK THAT A GROCERY STORE IS A GREAT IDEA IF DEFINED APPROPRIATELY.
AND, AND I'LL FOLLOW COUNCIL'S ADVICE TO NOT START NAMING NAMES, BUT I THINK WE ALL KNOW THE KIND OF FOOD SERVICE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HERE THAT BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY ALL YOUR STAFF IS ASKING FOR, AND ALL THE BID IS ASKING FOR IS LET'S ALL HUDDLE UP AND COME BACK ON JANUARY 7TH.
IT'S AROUND THE CORNER WITH A BETTER DEFINITION BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, THEN, UH, IT JUST GOES THROUGH THE CUP PROCESS.
BUT THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO LIVE WITH WHAT THE DEFINITION OF A GROCERY STORE IS IN CURTAIL YOUR LISTING AT THAT POINT TO THE CURRENT DEFINITION, WHICH JUST ISN'T APPROPRIATE HERE AND PROBABLY IS NOT APPROPRIATE IN SOME OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY.
OUR NEXT CALLER IS, UH, JOHANN MOORE.
UM, I, I WANNA CAUTION US ABOUT THIS GROCERY STORE'S INTENDED, UH, PUBLIC, UH, UH, NO IMPLICATION MEANT BY THAT WORD ACTUALLY, BUT YES, INDIRECTLY THERE HAS IN FACT BEEN RATHER STRONG REQUEST FROM NEIGHBORS OF WASHINGTON AVENUE FOR SOME KIND OF A GROCERY STORE.
I'M NOT SURE FROM TWO ANGLES THAT THAT THERE ISN'T A CONCERN HERE, THOUGH THOSE REQUESTS HAVE NOT BEEN NECESSARILY FOR A HIGH END GROCERY STORE.
WHILE CERTAINLY I THINK THOSE REQUESTS WOULD, UM, PREFER TO EXCLUDE MORE CONVENIENCE OR LOW END TYPE STORES, BUT THERE WAS A RATHER LAMENTED GROCERY STORE ON WASHINGTON, UH, THAT WAS I THINK, SORT OF LOW TO MIDDLE, UH, PART OF THE, THE, THE NICHE, UH, THAT WAS PARTICULARLY MISSED.
SO GIVEN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE MODEST RESIDENTIAL ON WASHINGTON, GIVEN THAT FLAMINGO PARK IS DISPROPORTIONATELY MODERATE TO MIDDLE INCOME, I THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE A BIT OF A MISMATCH BETWEEN PURSUING A GOME GROCERY STORE, HOWEVER MUCH.
SOME OF US MIGHT LOVE THAT AND TO NAME A NAME WHICH ISN'T RELEVANT TO US.
SO I THINK I CAN NAME IT, UH, ELI'S MARKET IN NEW YORK COMES TO MY MIND SOMEPLACE I REGULARLY SHOP AT, AT GRAND CENTRAL.
BUT I THINK THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE, THE RIGHT MATCH.
AND I ALSO WANT TO LOOK AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE.
I THINK THE DESIRE FOR AN ELEVATED RETAIL EXPERIENCE ON WASHINGTON MAY NOT EXACTLY BE COMPATIBLE WITH,
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AGAIN, FROM THIS OTHER ANGLE, THE TYPE OF GROCERY STORE THAT THE COMMUNITY ACTUALLY NEEDS.AND WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHO SHOPS RETAIL ON WASHINGTON, THEY TEND TO OFTEN BUY THINGS THAT THEY CAN TAKE AWAY WITH THEM, SUCH AS CLOTHES, SUCH AS DECORATIVE ITEMS, WHAT HAVE YOU.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE IS NECESSARILY GOING TO BE THE PRIMARY, UH, TARGET AUDIENCE.
CERTAINLY NOT FROM THE COMMUNITY'S POINT OF VIEW FOR THIS GROCERY STORE.
THEY WILL BE MORE LIKELY TO PURCHASE, SAY, PREPARED FOODS RATHER THAN AN ORGANIC HEAD OF LETTUCE THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE LIKELY TO BE ABLE TO WASH IN A WATER FOUNTAIN OR IN THEIR HOTEL ROOM.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR HERE.
ANYONE ELSE? AND OUR LAST CALLER IS, UM, MARIA SET BRACE IPHONE.
I AM STUCK IN TRAFFIC, SO I APOLOGIZE.
I AM MARIA
AND I HAVE TO CHIME IN HERE FOR A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE, UM, WE HAVE BEEN, UH, WORKING VERY HARD TO TRY TO GET, UM, FOUR 20 LINCOLN ROAD.
AND OBVIOUSLY I'M A PART OF THE BID, I SIT ON THE BOARD AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE COHESIVENESS AND TO BE A PART OF THE BAY AND TO PARTICIPATE AND SHAKE HANDS AND MEET ALL THE COMMISSIONERS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING HERE.
AND I HAVE TO BE HONEST, IT HAS BEEN VERY CHALLENGING FOR MY WASHINGTON SIDE AS WE ALL KNOW HOW IT LOOKS, HOW IT PRESENTS, UM, FOR, UH, FOR WHAT WE WANNA DO THERE FOR THAT PROPERTY.
AND I HAVE TO BE, UM, VERY CANDID IN TELLING YOU THAT IF WE ARE PUTTING MORE CONDITIONS AND WE ARE PUTTING MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, THINGS IN THE WAY OF WHAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO THERE WITH A, YOU KNOW, GROCERY STORE.
WE JUST WANT TO HAVE, UH, THE ABILITY TO VISIT WITH, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN MARKETS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT HIGH END.
WE'RE LOOKING AT GOURMET, WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, EPICURES, UH, THERE'S A, A, A PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE FORCED TO GO THROUGH ANYWAY, WHICH IS A VERY, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIBLE PROCESS.
IT'S CALLED THE COP, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD REMOVE SO MUCH OF WHAT WE TRY TO DO TO TRY TO HELP OURSELVES, YOU KNOW, BY KEEPING THINGS COHESIVENESS, BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO PRESENT AN ISSUE WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT WE COULD DO THERE.
AND SO I'M RESPECTFULLY ASKING, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, UH, I'M SORRY, NOT ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS TO PLEASE CONSIDER THIS.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UM, BEEN SORT OF PENALIZED FOR HAVING SUCH A BIG PROPERTY.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HAVING ANY KIND OF MARKET ON LINCOLN ROAD.
THIS IS NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM GOING TO GO ON LINCOLN ROAD.
AND THIS IS, UH, MY CONCERN IS FOR WHAT'S GONNA GO ON WASHINGTON, WHAT'S GONNA GO IN THE INSIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS A VERY LARGE PROPERTY.
AND SO I REALLY WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, WE COULD GET STUCK INTO THE DETAILS OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON LINCOLN ROAD.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT LINCOLN ROAD, THIS IS ABOUT THE REST OF THE PROPERTY THAT PRESENTS.
IT'S A VERY LARGE PROPERTY, AND WE'RE A WHOLE CITY BLOCK.
SO, UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
ANYBODY ELSE? THAT'S OUR LAST CALLER.
UM, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS ANYTHING OR DO YOU WANT US TO TAKE QUESTIONS? IF I, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, UH, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
I THINK YOU CAN SEE, FIRST OF ALL, BY A COUPLE OF THE SPEAKERS, UH, JOHAN, AND THEN THE LINCOLN ROAD BID REPRESENTATIVE.
THAT HOW YOU'RE GONNA DEFINE THIS IS NOT SO EASY.
UH, AND DO WE WANT TO REALLY GO DOWN THAT PATH OF BEING SO PRESCRIPTIVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME? I THINK THAT UNDERSCORES WHY WE SHOULD NOT BE.
NOW, THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN LARGELY ABOUT, WELL, GROCERY STORE CAN BE A CONVENIENCE STORE.
WELL, AS YOU'VE SEEN, THE CITY CODE HAS A SEPARATE DEFINITION FOR GROCERY STORE AND A SEPARATE ONE FOR CONVENIENCE STORE.
IF THAT'S THE PROBLEM, THEN THE CITY SHOULD REVISIT THE DEFINITION OF GROCERY STORE OR CONVENIENCE STORE.
IT SHOULD NOT BE PART OF THIS ORDINANCE, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, AND LET'S GET THE PERSPECTIVE ON THIS PROPERLY.
UH, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE ON LINCOLN ROAD.
IT DOES NOT ALLOW ENTRANCE ON LINCOLN ROAD.
IT IS ONLY WASHINGTON AVENUE OR DREXEL AVENUE.
AND IT IS TRUE, AS MARIA WAS SAYING, THAT AMBASSADOR SAJA PROPERTY IS PENALIZED BECAUSE OF ITS SIZE, BECAUSE IT PROBABLY THE ONLY PROPERTY ON LINCOLN ROAD ON THE SOUTH
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SIDE OF LINCOLN ROAD THAT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY TO 16TH STREET.HE, THERE IS A SITUATION THERE DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, AND THAT IS WHAT CREATES THE PROBLEM, BECAUSE THERE ARE THESE VAST SPACES, THESE VAST INTERIOR SPACES.
SO THEY NEED THIS PARTICULAR TREATMENT.
AND AS MARIA ALSO MENTIONED, IF THIS IS ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT IS TAKEN OUT OF THE QUIVER FOR TENANTS, UH, SHE, MARIA WAS QUITE CANDID.
WASHINGTON AVENUE IS THE MOST DIFFICULT PLACE TO, TO, TO TENANT.
WHAT YOU'RE DOING THEN IS PERHAPS FORCING THE MARKET TO GET MORE, I SHOULD SAY, LESS DESIRABLE TENANTS FOR WASHINGTON AVENUE THAN WHEN YOU HAVE MORE OPTIONS FOR USES.
UM, AND FINALLY, I, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT AM AMBASSADOR SAJA HAS HAD AN INCREDIBLE TRACK RECORD AS THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY FOR MANY DECADES, FROM HIS RESTORATION OF THE PROPERTY.
I, I DON'T, SOME OF YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER WHAT THAT PROPERTY WAS LIKE BEFORE HE BOUGHT IT 30 OR SO YEARS AGO.
HE'S DONE A WONDERFUL JOB, TENANTING IT.
IT IS A UNIQUE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF ITS SIZE AND ITS FLOOR PLATE.
AND AS A RESULT, IT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO BE PROPERLY TENANTED.
SO BOTTOM LINE IS, IT'S NOT ON LINCOLN ROAD, IT'S THIS, THE SIDE STREETS.
NUMBER TWO, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE DEFINITION OF GROCERY AND CONVENIENCE STORE, THEN DEAL WITH IT IN THOSE SECTIONS OF THE CODE.
DON'T MAKE IT SPECIFIC, DENISE.
AND NOT TO PLAY SEMANTICAL GAMES.
I JUST WANT TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING FROM YOU AS WELL.
DO YOU CON SO UNDER THE DEFINITION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE, COULD A PUBLIX GO THERE? YES.
OH, UH, WHOLE FOODS COULD GO THERE.
SO YOU'RE NOT ENVISIONING ONLY LIKE SOME HIGH END.
OKAY, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND.
ALTHOUGH, AS WAS POINTED OUT, PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE, OF FLOOR PLATES THAT THEY, THEY THEY HAVE, THEY WILL NEVER GO THERE.
AND THE LACK OF PARKING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS IT? WELL, IT DEPENDS.
I MEAN, THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT SPACES.
I THINK I SHOWED EARLIER ON THE DIAGRAM THAT THERE ARE, THERE'S THE TIMEOUT.
TIMEOUT MARKET WAS A, A TENANT THAT AMBASSADOR, SAY HOUSE BOUGHT, WHICH WAS VERY FINE TENANT FOR THAT AREA.
UH, THEY RANGE FROM LIKE, UH, FIVE.
LET ME, IF I CAN GET THE, UH, I MEAN, THEY'RE FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE.
YOU'RE SAYING IT'S TOO SMALL FOR A, FOR A PUBLIC SITE GROCERY STORE? I'M SAYING, I MEAN, IF YOU COMBINED EVERYTHING, HERE WE GO.
OH, THAT'S JUST, IF YOU SEE HERE THE, UH, THE ORANGE ON TOP, THAT'S 8,300 SOME ODD SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S THE OLD BEACH THEATER BUILDING, WHICH IS AN INTERIOR SPACE.
UM, THE, UH, ON THE WASHINGTON AVENUE SIDE, YOU SEE THE, UH, LIGHT ORANGE THAT'S ABOUT 10,500 SQUARE FEET.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT ALL THESE ARE NECESSARILY, BUT IS YOUR CONCERN THAT IF YOU, IF WE FURTHER DEFINE IT TO BE MORE HIGH-END GROCER, THERE WON'T BE ENOUGH TENANTS OUT THERE TO POTENTIALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE.
I I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND, WE'RE JUST BEING OPEN HERE.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, LIKE, WHAT'S YOUR CONCERN IF WE, I THINK IT GETS TOO PRESCRIPTIVE AND THAT IT MIGHT, AS A RESULT RE UH, LIMIT THE UNIVERSE OF POTENTIAL TENANTS? I GOT A QUESTION FOR UNI.
AND GUESS, I THINK WHAT, WHAT, IT'S NOT SO MUCH WE'RE TRYING TO BE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHO WE WANNA SEE.
THERE WE'RE, I THINK OVERALL, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID CERTAIN KINDS OF, OF BUSINESSES THAT, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A NARROW WINDOW OF BUSINESSES WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID VERSUS PIGEONHOLING THIS SPACE TO BE, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? GOURMET SPECIALTY GROCERY STORE.
IS THERE ANY WAY IN YOUR, IN YOUR, UM, WORDING WITHOUT, UH, GOING DOWN, UH, A RABBIT HOLE WHERE THERE'S A, UM, WE CAN INCLUDE SOMETHING THAT WOULD AVOID A CERTAIN KIND OF GROCERY STORE THAT WE DON'T WANNA ATTRACT THERE.
NOW, I UNDERSTAND, BASED ON THE LOCATION, BASED ON THE SIZE OF IT, WE'RE ALREADY ELIMINATING SOME OF THOSE.
BUT I THINK THE CONCERN FOR, UH, LINCOLN ROAD AND, AND, AND, AND IT'S VALID.
I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP WASHINGTON AND LINCOLN ROAD TO GO INTO A POSITIVE DIRECTION.
UM, SO WITHOUT PENALIZING YOUR CLIENT, UM, THERE'S GOTTA BE A WAY THAT WE CAN WORD SOMETHING WHERE WE AVOID THE TYPES OF TENANTS THAT THE, THE LINCOLN ROAD WANT TO WITHOUT, WITH KEEPING ABROAD.
UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD HAVE TO DO IS, UH, OF COURSE, REMEMBER, THE OTHER THING IS IT WOULD BE CONDITIONAL USE.
SO WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU, YOU'D BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THOSE IMPACTS, THE CONCENTRATION, THINGS OF THAT SORT.
UH, BETWEEN NOW AND THIS GOING TO THE CITY COMMISSION, WE'D BE WILLING TO, IF, IF THIS BOARD RECOMMENDS WE DO SOMETHING TO, UH, SORT OF FURTHER DEFINE I MM-HMM,
BUT WE COULD, BETWEEN NOW AND GOING TO THE CITY COMMISSION, TAKE A LOOK AT LANGUAGE, IF THAT IS YOUR WISH,
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UH, WHICH WOULD SORT OF FURTHER DEFINE IT.BUT I'D REALLY, I AM CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, ABOUT, ABOUT GOING DOWN IN THAT DIRECTION.
AND THE OTHER THING, BY THE WAY, UH, AND I KNOW THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT, WELL, WHEN, IF YOU HAVE A TENANT COME IN AND THEN GO FOR THE CHANGE, THAT'S REALLY NOT FAIR EITHER.
BECAUSE REMEMBER, WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS TWO THINGS.
LET'S SAY A TENANT WANTS TO GO TO LINCOLN ROAD TODAY, A RESTAURANT, UH, THEY MAY NOT NEED TO GO TO ANY CITY BOARD.
IF THEY CHANGE THE FACADE THEY NEED GO TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
IF THEY'RE OVER 300, THEY NEED TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A POTENTIAL TENANT, THAT USE IS ALLOWED.
WE DON'T, WE ARE NOT IN THAT POSITION TODAY WITH A GROCERY STORE.
WE WOULD HAVE TO TELL A POTENTIAL GROCER USE IS NOT ALLOWED.
WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LENGTHY PROCESS TO CHANGE THAT USE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO GET BOARD APPROVAL FOR IT.
THAT'S A UNFAIR DIS THAT'S UNFAIR IN TERMS OF DISADVANTAGE.
AND NO OTHER, NO OTHER TENANT, UH, LANDLORD ON LINCOLN ROAD HAS TO FACE THAT WITH THE OTHER KIND OF TENANTS THEY HAVE.
LISTEN, I KNOW AMBASSADOR S HE'S AN AMAZING GUY AND HE'S DONE, HE'S BEEN A GREAT NEIGHBOR.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN AS A LAWYER FOR HIM.
I I'M JUST TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, AND I ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL ONLY, WE'RE RECOMMENDING FAVORABLY OR UNFAVORABLY, BUT, UM, THE QUESTION IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF GROCERY STORE IS APPROPRIATE THERE? I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S WHAT IT ALL COMES DOWN TO.
WELL, MR. CHAIR, I MEAN, YOU COULD RECOMMEND, IF I MAY SUGGEST IN FAVOR, BUT WITH AN ADDED RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? YOU WORK ON REFINING THE DEFINITION OF EITHER GROCERY STORE OR A PARTICULAR KIND OF GROCERY STORE, GOURMET GROCER.
I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO SEE ANYTHING ON WASHINGTON THAT COULD BE A, ANOTHER LAST MILE DELIVERY PLACE LIKE GOPUFF OR SOME OF THOSE OTHER PLACES, BECAUSE IT, I MEAN, THOSE ARE BIG SPACES, BUT I THINK, I MEAN, NICK CAN CHIME IN.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN EXCLUDE, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN, YOU CAN DEFINE, YOU CAN WHAT YOU CAN DEFINE, YOU CAN, WELL, THAT'S PART OF IT.
WE YOU CAN SAY WE, YOU CAN'T EXCLUDE BRANDS.
BUT YOU CAN SAY NO LAST MILE DELIVERY SERVICES OR NO, YOU KNOW, SO, GOT IT.
WHICH, WHICH OVERLOADS THE, THE, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE NAME OF A STORE.
IT IS, BUT IT'S, BUT, BUT I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO THAT CAN DEFINE IT BETTER WITHOUT HAVING A CONVENIENCE STORE.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, ESPECIALLY, I THINK WE NEED REAL GROCERY.
AND THEN I'M GONNA, SCOTT, I'M GONNA START WITH YOU AND LET YOU QUESTION WHAT GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
FIRST OF ALL, MATTHEW, WITH YOU, I KNOW YOU WALKED THE PROPERTY, IF YOU COULD JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR ME.
I'M ALREADY AS WELL, I WAS JUST ON THE PHONE WITH YOU.
NOW, SO YOU'RE ON THE BOARD OF THIS GROUP, BUT YOU'RE ALSO WORK WITH, WITH MR. LINCOLN ROAD? YES.
I, I, UH, FOR LAST AND YOUR NAME, I'M SORRY.
AND SO GREAT TOO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE YOUR ACQUAINTANCE HERE AND UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT I JUST AM VERY STRONG.
UH, I'M VERY STRONGLY FOR THIS.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT PROPERTY HAS PRESENTED A CHALLENGE WHEN IT COMES TO, LIKE I MENTIONED, WASHINGTON, WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING FOR THE BEACH.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE, UM, BEEN STUDIOUS ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE DOING FOR LINCOLN ROAD, FOR WASHINGTON, DREXEL, ALL THAT.
AND WHEN I TELL YOU THAT, WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROPERTY AND HAVING TO, UM, BRING POSSIBLE TENANTS, OKAY, YOU HAVE TO SECURE THEM.
YOU DON'T, THEY DON'T JUST ALL COME, UH, AND, AND KNOW ABOUT THE SPACE.
YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW, MOST PEOPLE THAT ARE ON LINCOLN ROAD HAVE NO IDEA THAT MR. SEJA, PAUL SEJA OWNS A PROPERTY THAT IS A WHOLE CITY BLOCK.
IN FACT, THE FUNNIEST THING, WHEN I SPOKE TO, UM, COMMISSIONER GRECO, OKAY, HE TOLD ME WITH HIS WHOLE, THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT HE HAD, YOU KNOW, PENALIZED HIM BY MAKING THIS VERY IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, AGENDA OF ORDINANCE, OF TRYING TO, UM, AVOID ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, CONVENIENCE STORE, GROCERY STORE ON LINCOLN ROAD.
I GET THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT THIS IS NOT GOING ON LINCOLN ROAD.
AND IN DOING THIS AND MAKING THIS ABOUT THAT, WE'RE AVOIDING THE BIGGER ISSUE, WHICH IS CLEANING UP THE OTHER SIDE OF WHERE THIS PROPERTY PRESENTS, YOU KNOW? AND IT, IT IS BEING PENALIZED FOR SURE.
BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WHEN YOU LOOK, THERE'S A PICTURE OF IT.
YOU SEE THE PROPERTY STANDS ALMOST, IT'S A CITY BLOCK, BUT IT'S A VERY LONG, DEEP CITY BLOCK.
AND WE ARE UNABLE TO FIND A, A WAY TO HAVE A TENANT WANT TO COME AND BE IN THAT PROPERTY WHEN IT PRESENTS DEEPEST WITHIN THE PROPERTY.
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AN ENTRANCE ON LINCOLN ROAD.IT WOULDN'T IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM BE CONNECTED TO LINCOLN ROAD.
AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING, WE TOOK AWAY THE POSSIBILITY OF CON, UH, A CONVENIENCE STORE.
IT'S BEEN EMPTY FOR EMPTY FOR TWO YEARS.
AND SO, UM, AND THE OTHER ISSUE TOO IS THAT IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO FIND THE PERFECT, UH, TENANT FOR THAT SPACE.
SO WE ALREADY TOOK THE CONVENIENCE STORE OUT.
WE ALREADY WENT TO THE BIN, WHICH I'M A PART OF, AND I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS COMPLETELY.
AND WE SAID, WHAT DO YOU THINK? OH, LET'S MAKE A LIST OF THE POSSIBLE G YOU KNOW, POSSIBILITIES.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH EVERYONE TO TRY TO MAKE THIS RIGHT.
THE ONLY THING I'LL SAY TO THAT IS, YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT THE TENANT YOU BRING IN, IF ONE DAY PAUL SELLS IT AND THEY UHHUH VACATE, UHHUH, WE'VE GOTTA LIVE WITH THIS ORDINANCE.
SO THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE TO, ON THE SAME HAND, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE COP PROCESS, RIGHT? OKAY, LET'S REALLY LOOK AT WHAT THAT WOULD DO.
BECAUSE IT'S SAYING, OH, WELL, WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE ANYBODY COULD DO ANYTHING.
NO, THE COP PROCESS WOULD PROTECT EVERYONE FROM THAT.
SO, I, I, INSTEAD OF DENYING THIS REQUEST, OR, OR MAKING IT UNFAVORABLE, I JUST WANNA PLEAD TO YOU TO REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT THE COP WOULD ACTUALLY PROTECT YOU FROM BEFORE YOU SAY NO TO US, WHERE WE COULD NOT EVEN START THE PROCESS WITH THE TENANT.
THE QUESTION IS WHAT, WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION GO ALONG WITH, RIGHT.
'CAUSE EVERYONE'S IN AGREEMENT, I THINK, UH, YES.
SO, AND BY THE WAY, IT'S GETTING, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT HAPPENING THERE, SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT.
RIGHT? WE ARE, WE'RE WE STAY THERE SINCE YOU'RE SO KNOWLEDGEABLE.
SCOTT, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR? YEAH.
UM, I THINK THE IDEA OF A GROCERY STORE IN THAT AREA IS A GREAT IDEA.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE THE QUESTION'S GONNA BE, HOW DO WE DESCRIBE A GROCERY STORE? UM, IT'S OBVIOUS WE DON'T WANNA SEE SEVEN 11.
UM, IT CAN'T BODEGAS OR IT CAN'T BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE CONVENIENCE, LAST MILE THINGS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
YOU CAN'T, THE CONVENIENCE STORE IS NOT ON THERE.
AND THE COP PROCESS WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, BE APPLICANTS CAN GET, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN READ AN ORDINANCE AND FIND LOOPHOLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL, UM, HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING IT.
BUT, BUT BE, BUT THE IDEA IS A GREAT IDEA.
WE TALKED ABOUT A GOURMET, UM, UM, UM, UH, MARKET OR WHATEVER.
I'M, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WE HEARD, UM, JOHANN MENTION EARLIER, YOU KNOW, THIS WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO ON WASHINGTON IS INCENTIVIZE RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD LOVE A PLACE TO GO TO, TO BUY GROCERIES, UM, AT A REASONABLE PRICE.
YOU KNOW, I'M SURE A LOT OF 'EM WILL GO FOR, YOU KNOW, A A A HIGH END MARKET.
BUT HONESTLY, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A, ANY, UM, GOOD GROCERY STORE THERE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IS NOT GONNA GO IN.
UM, OR SOME OF THE BIGGER ONES.
UM, TRADER JOE'S, ALDI, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN GO TO, UM, PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WORK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A GOOD IDEA.
UM, BUT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S HOW WE JUST, IT'S HOW WE, UM, UH, DEFINED GROCERY STORE.
THINK YOUR, YOUR DECISION FOR THAT TODAY IS GOING TO EITHER DELAY THAT FROM HAPPENING OR NOT.
WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES WITH THE BOARD.
BUT I, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA DO IT TODAY, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A DEFINITION.
BUT AGAIN, I, I WOULDN'T WANT TO GET TOO SCRIPT DESCRIPTIVE AND SAY, WELL, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF SEAFOOD, BUT NOT THAT KIND OF SEAFOOD.
IT GETS, IT, IT CAN GET A LITTLE TRICKY, BUT, BUT CERTAIN THINGS, MAYBE A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, THE CITY HAD SOMETHING IN THEIR STAFF REPORT, UH, LIMITATIONS ON NON-FOOD AND ACCESSORY ITEMS. I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT BEHIND THAT.
UM, AND WE COME UP, COULD COME UP WITH OTHER THINGS, BUT I DON'T WANNA, UM, GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TELLING THEM, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE, UM, RIGHT.
WELL, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THIS KIND OF SERIAL, AND NOT THAT I, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE, THERE'S A MIDDLE GROUND SOMEWHERE.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD, HAVE YOU TALKED TO MICKEY GRINE BY ANY CHANCE? UH, NO.
I, BUT LAINA, LIKE THEY HAVE IN BRICKLE CA YEAH.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT I'VE GOT, UM, THE OTHER PLANNING BOARD, UH, MEMBER, I, UH, I DON'T KNOW HER NAME RIGHT NOW.
UH, ANYWAY, SHE'S TRYING TO COME TO LOOK AT THE TIMEOUT SPACE TO SEE FOR A GROCERY STORE, BECAUSE APPARENTLY THEY'RE IN DESPERATE NEED OF IT.
SO I HAVE A, A ENVISIONING IN THE FUTURE THAT THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION, WHICH IS SO RESPONSIBLE, AND I GET THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS, IT'S GOING TO BE THE OPPOSITE.
WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKED TO DO SOMETHING.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, UM, THERE, YOU'LL SEE THAT, UM, THIS IS THE ONE PROPERTY CLOSE BY THERE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SUPPORT ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
YOU KNOW, I, I, I'M JUST BEING SO COMPLETELY
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HONEST, AND I JUST WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT.I UNDERSTAND MATTHEW, YOU KNOW.
SO, SO I DID MEET WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, MR. KADEN, AND, AND, UH, AND MURRAY IN FRONT OF US HERE, UH, TO, TO VIEW THE SPACE, UH, LAST MONTH.
UH, BEFORE I GIVE MY THOUGHTS, I DO HAVE A QUESTION THAT I JUST, I WROTE DOWN, AND I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THE WHOLE TIME.
UH, YOU STATED, MR. KADEN, THAT, THAT A GROCERY STORE IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT, TODAY AT THE TIMEOUT SPACE AT 1601 DREXEL AVENUE.
UM, AND YOU ALSO SAID THAT YOU STATED THAT, UH, IF YOU COMBINED IT WITH THE OTHER PROPERTY, IT WOULD NOT BE BY, RIGHT? CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT? 'CAUSE I'M, I'M NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING WHAT, WHAT THAT, WELL, IF IT WAS, IF, IF IT IS COMBINED WITH THE PROPERTIES THAT FRONT ON WASHINGTON AVENUE AND COM AND REDEVELOPED IN COMBINATION, THEN IT FALLS INTO THE WASHINGTON AVENUE OVERLAY.
UM, I THINK IT'S CALLED THE MIMO OVERLAY.
AND THAT HAS STRICT LIMITATIONS ON GROCERY STORES IN TERM IN INCLUDING, UH, DISTANCES AND SUCH.
SO, UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY, UH, RIGHT NOW WE CAN DO IT AS OF RIGHT ON TIMEOUT MARKET, BUT LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT OF THE, THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, UH, COMBINING WITH WASHINGTON AVENUE, IT WOULD PROHIBIT TIMEOUT MARKET, FOR INSTANCE, FROM BEING RECREATED.
SO WE, THAT'S WHY WE ARE INCLUDING THAT.
BUT THE, THE TIMEOUT MARKET BUILDING IS 10, 15 YEARS OLD.
NO, YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING DEMOLISHING THAT AND, AND OR, AND OR DEMOLISHING SOME OF THE, NO, NO, A REDEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UH, THAT PROPERTY MAYBE BUILDING ON TOP OF THE TIMEOUT MARKET, UH, YOU KNOW, BUILDING ADDITIONALLY ON THE, UH, PORTIONS OF FRONT WASHINGTON AVENUE.
AND OVER THE ALLEYWAY THAT EXISTS TODAY, OR, OR POTENTIALLY, YES.
UH, SO I MEAN, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.
THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION THERE.
UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THE, THE VIEWPOINT OF THE LINCOLN ROAD BID AND ALL THE GREAT THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING THERE, INCLUDING THE LARGE, UM, CAPITAL PROJECT THAT'S COMING FORTH AS WELL.
UH, BUT I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK HOW A GROCERY STORE IS COMPLIMENTARY TO WHAT IS GOING ON THERE.
UH, MANY OF THESE RESTAURANTS, WHICH ARE, ARE VERY HIGH END, THEY'RE, THEY'RE FOCUSING MORE ON THE NIGHTTIME USE.
AND WHAT DOES A GROCERY STORE BRING? IT BRINGS FOOT TRAFFIC DURING THE DAYTIME.
AND IF YOU TRAVEL AROUND THE COUNTRY IN MANY URBAN AREAS, WHAT DO YOU FIND IN THEIR, IN THEIR THRIVING URBAN ENVIRONMENTS? YOU FIND GROCERY STORES, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A MASS MARKET GROCERY STORE NECESSARILY, BUT YOU DO FIND GROCERY STORES.
SO, SO I, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH, WITH, WITH SCOTT, I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT CALLED IN THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR A GROCERY STORE, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA GET A 50,000 SQUARE FOOT SUBURBAN STYLE PUBLIX OR EQUIVALENT HERE.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE UNDERSTAND, UH, YOU KNOW, ANYONE WOULD, WOULD THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
BUT, UM, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS WHILE ALSO ESTABLISHING SOME OF THE GUARDRAILS THAT THE NEIGHBORS ON LINCOLN ROAD ARE OUR CONCERN ABOUT.
UM, I'M CURIOUS WHAT THE NEIGHBORS ON WASHINGTON AVENUE THINK ABOUT THIS.
I SEE WE HAVE THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE BID HERE.
I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING UP AND SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS TROY WRIGHT, WASHINGTON AVENUE BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE.
UM, I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO MY BOARD, HOWEVER, BASED UPON PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS, IN ADDITION TO HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A NEED FOR A GROCERY STORE.
THERE IS A NEED FOR SOME KIND OF MARKET.
UM, IS THAT THE RIGHT LOCATION? I DON'T KNOW.
UM, BUT WE, WE DEFINITELY ARE IN NEED OF ONE, SO I CAN'T REALLY RESPOND MUCH MORE THAN THAT.
UM, AND, AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS THAT LINCOLN ROAD HAS, UM, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DEFINE A CERTAIN CHARACTER OF PEOPLE ON THE AVENUE, IN ADDITION WITH THE MASS CHANGES THAT WE WOULD LIKE ON WASHINGTON AVENUE.
WE FEEL THE SAME WAY, BUT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND I THINK THAT'S STILL BEING DEFINED.
YEAH, IT, I, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THIS IS STILL BEING DEFINED AS USE INCENTIVES FOR RESIDENTIAL THAT ARE BEING CONTEMPLATED.
UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK MOST PEOPLE OR ALL PEOPLE EAT FOOD AND NEED TO PURCHASE FOOD FOR GROCERY STORES.
SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT KIND OF PERSON IT WOULD ATTRACT, BUT A AGAIN, UM, AND I THINK THIS SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH PROPER GUARDRAIL SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A, YOU KNOW, FIRST, LAST MILE TYPE, UH, OF DELIVERY SERVICE THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE A CONVENIENCE STORE THAT SOMEHOW COULD FINAGLE ITS WAY UNDER THE DEFINITION OF GROCERY, UH, WITHOUT BEING TOO DETAILED TO HAVE UNINTENDED
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CONSEQUENCES.YEAH, I'M, I'M IN AGREEMENT IN TERMS OF THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE ALL SORT OF SAYING THE SAME THING.
WE ALL SHARE A SIMILAR VISION, UH, BUT WE JUST HAVE TO BE SO, ESPECIALLY, SO CAREFUL.
I MEAN, ESPECIALLY IN THAT LOCATION, WHEN YOU GO ONTO THE WASHINGTON SIDE OF IT, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S AN AREA THAT IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF ELEVATION, AND IT REALLY BRINGS DOWN A LOT OF THE AREA AROUND IT.
AND SO IF WE DON'T GET THIS RIGHT, IT WILL JUST CON CONTRIBUTE TO THAT PROBLEM.
AND SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH, WITH, UH, THE LINCOLN ROAD BID AND, AND GET IN TOUCH WITH THE WASHINGTON BID, UM, AS WELL TO, TO REALLY COME UP WITH A VISION AND GET EVERYBODY'S BUY-IN AND AGREEMENT.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK, AND, AND LIKE I, I MENTIONED TO DENISE AND THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY WORRIED ABOUT YOU ALL, AND YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT THE AMBASSADOR AND SENATOR AND, AND YOU TWO, UH, HAVE, HAVE MADE TO THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S JUST WHAT HAPPENS 10 YEARS FROM NOW AND WHAT HAPPENS 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE'S A CURRENT ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT WAS PASSED BY THE COMMISSION, SO WE'RE ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION TO THAT.
UM, AND, AND TO A CARVE OUT FOR THAT.
AND SO IF WE'RE GONNA DO A CARVE OUT FOR THAT, WE NEED TO GET IT RIGHT.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY THINKING.
I'M, I'M, OBVIOUSLY, I THINK I, I GUESS I, THE WRITING'S ON THE WALL, YOU KNOW, TO PUSH THIS TO, I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION WAS JANUARY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME YOU ALL WANT, BUT I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT TO HOPEFULLY GET SOME BETTER VERBIAGE TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT.
QUESTION, UH, FOR STAFF, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS TODAY, AS THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, WOULD THEY HAVE TO THEN COME BACK TO US ONCE A TENANT IS SECURED? THIS YEAH.
THIS REQUIRES A CONDITIONERS PROCESS.
SO SAME, SAME, THE SAME WITH WHAT HAPPENED WITH A FIVE BELOW.
UM, THAT WAS A CONVENIENCE STORE, BUT THAT WAS APPROVED AS AN EXCEPTION, BUT HAD TO COME BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD FOR THE FINAL, UM, FOR THE FINAL RIGHT.
SO PASS, IF THIS, IF THIS IS ADOPTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND SO WE WILL SEE THIS COME BACK TO THE BORDER, RIGHT? SO IF, IF WE APPROVE THIS, THIS GOES TO THE COMMISSION, THEY WOULD THEN EITHER APPROVE OR, OR DENY WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
I ASSUME THAT YOU ALL NEED THIS IN ORDER TO START LOOKING FOR TENANTS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA DELAY IT.
BUT, BUT IF YOU DON'T SECURE THIS, BUT, AND THEN IF YOU DO SECURE SOMEONE, THEY COME BACK TO US FOR APPROVAL.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS MP AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? BUT WE WOULDN'T BE APPROVING THE TENANT.
WE WOULD BE PUTTING CON CONDITION
AND IT'S KIND OF TOO LATE AT THAT POINT.
I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE CAN PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS, BUT AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, I'LL, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A TENANT THAT IT WAS REALLY NOT THE ONE THAT WE'RE ENVISIONING, SURE, WE CAN REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE SECURITY OUTSIDE.
THEY CAN DENY 24 7, BUT IT'S REALLY MISSING THE POINT.
DENY THE CUP IF THERE'S ENOUGH.
WELL, THAT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA, BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT BASED UPON THE USER.
IF IT WE'RE NOT TENANT, IT WOULD JUST BE, BUT I KNOW YOU HAVE, YOU COME IN FRONT OF AND SAY, TECHNICALLY ACCORDING TO THE, YOU KNOW, LANGUAGE YOU HAVE TO PROVE SINCE YOU'RE PROVE IT, SINCE YOU'RE ON THE BOARD AND YOU'RE ON THE, HAVE YOU GUYS EVER, HAVE YOU SAT TOGETHER, TRIED TO COME TO AN AGREEABLE COMPROMISE ON A DEFINITION? YES.
WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE BEN THAT ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY, UM, WAS REQUESTED OF US TO PIGEONHOLE EXACTLY THE KINDS OF, UM, RIGHT.
UM, WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO EVEN DO THAT BECAUSE WHATEVER HAPPENS HERE, WELL, THAT, BUT THAT'S THE WHOLE DISCUSSION HERE IS HOW WE FURTHER DEFINE IT.
SO I'M, I'M, I'M WONDERING, OH, DO YOU MEAN TO DEFINE IT SO, WELL THAT'S, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT AND, AND RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY WANT TO DRASTICALLY, WE ONLY WANT THE HIGHEST IN MARKET, AND YOU ARE, WELL, THE REASON, WELL, THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR US, BUT IS THERE A COMPROMISE THAT ON LANGUAGE? I MEAN, 'CAUSE LISTEN, WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND IT FAVORABLY, BUT MM-HMM.
I HAVE LEAST LANGUAGE THAT GOES BACK 30 PLUS YEARS FOR GROCERY STORES THAT EXCLUDE WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT AND WHAT YOU DO WANT.
AND THEY CAN BE WORKED AROUND FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
AND IF YOU WOULD ALLOW ME, I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU SURE.
AND THE CITY, SO Y'ALL CAN KIND OF GET THROUGH IT REALLY QUICKLY.
UM, I THINK THAT WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT.
WE DO NOT WANNA SEE ANY KIND OF ACTUAL CONVENIENCE STORES OR ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UH, FIRST LAST MILE TYPE STUFF, WAREHOUSE, I, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN CASES, UH, FOR INSTANCE WHERE WINN DIXIE, I THINK THERE WAS A WINN-DIXIE CASE MANY, MANY YEARS AGO WHERE, UH, SOME LANDLORD HAD TRIED TO SAY, OH, YOU CAN'T SELL PAPER GOODS, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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WAS IT, OBVIOUSLY WHEN DIXIE LOST, SO I, I, OR I'M SORRY THE LANDLORD LOST.BUT IF Y'ALL WOULD LET ME SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE, I, I CAN GIVE YOU WHATEVER YOU LIKE, AND Y'ALL CAN FIGURE IT OUT AND WE CAN BE DONE WITH IT.
WELL, WE'D APPRECIATE RECEIVING THAT LANGUAGE.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THE AREA, AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN LEASES, LEASING AND ZONING CERTAIN THINGS.
RIGHT? YOU CAN'T, THAT YOU PUT IN LEASES THAT YOU CAN'T PUT IN ZONING, BUT THIS LANGUAGE WOULD ENCOMPASS THAT PARTICULAR USE.
SO, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO.
AS, AS LONG AS THE LANGUAGE IS DESCRIPTIVE.
DOESN'T SAY LIKE A NO, NO, NO.
YEAH, I'LL JUST GIVE IT TO YOU.
SO IF YOU COULD PULL UP THE FLOOR PLATE AGAIN, WHAT'S THE ENTIRE, I GUESS, SPACE THAT, THAT YOU ALL HAVE VACANT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO LEASE, AND WHY DO YOU THINK THAT A PUBLIX OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE A PUBLIX WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FIT IN THERE? WELL, UH, LET RE ANSWER, BUT, WELL, A PUBLIX IS PUBLIXES TODAY ARE 30 TO 60,000 SQUARE FEET.
NONE OF THESE SPACES ARE EVEN APPROACHED THAT.
NO, BUT AGAIN, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO LEASE IT? I MEAN, IT, IT, IT, IT VARIES DEPENDING UPON THE STATUS OF THE EXISTING TENANTS.
IT COULD BE AS MUCH AS WE'RE SHOWING YOU UP THERE, THE, YOU KNOW, 8,300 FEET IN THE THEATER, UH, THE, UH, UH, THE, THE 10,000 OR SO, UH, FEET IN THE, UH, ON THE WASHINGTON AVENUE SIDE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, BUT, UH, YOU, YOU HAVE TO PLAY WITH THE, THE EXISTING TENANCY EXPIRING LEASES.
BUT THERE ARE THESE AREAS THAT COULD BE AGGREGATED.
THAT'S, IT'S OUT OF OUR, I'M, I'M, I ASSUME THAT YOU ALL HAVE AN IDEA AS TO WHICH TYPE OF TENANCY YOU'RE GOING TO TARGET.
BASED, BASED ON HOW THE LEASE EXPIRATIONS ARE LOOKING, WHAT'S THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT YOU'RE GONNA GO OUT, OUT WITH SPECIFICALLY, SPECIFICALLY EPICURE, SOMETHING EXACTLY LIKE THAT.
MM-HMM,
IF THAT'S NOT IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT YOU WANT, THEN THAT'S, BUT WHICH WOULD INTO, INTO HOW, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET WE'RE, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE SAYING THE ONLY AMOUNT OF SQUARE, I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, 3000, THEN FOR THE TIMEOUT SPACE THAT'S BETWEEN 18 TO 20,000 SQUARE FOOT.
THAT'S KIND OF LIKE OUR BIGGEST, UM, UH, WE HAVE A GARAGE THERE TOO.
SO YOU'D BE LOOKING TO FILL ABOUT 20,000 SQUARE FEET.
IT WOULDN'T TAKE UP THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, SO IT, IT, IT JUST MAKES SENSE.
NO, YOU'RE LOOKING TO FILL UP, UP TO 20,000 SQUARE FEET.
I'M NOT THE LEASING PERSON FOR THE, BUT YOU KNOW, UH, YEAH, WE, YOU COULD SAY THAT.
AND MY WIFE WOULD BE VERY HAPPY IF EPICURE EVER CAME BACK.
I HATE TO REPEAT WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, AND USUALLY I SKIP MY TURN WHEN EVERYTHING HAS BEEN SAID, BUT I JUST THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO GET IT RIGHT BECAUSE, UM, IT IS REFRESHING TO SEE THE CITY MOVING A DIRECTION WHERE THERE'S AN OVERALL VIEW FOR THAT ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD TO, UM, UPGRADE.
UM, AND SO WE LIKE WHAT THE COMMISSION IS PUSHING FOR, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USAGE ON WASHINGTON AND, AND THE UPCOMING, UH, UH, LEASES COMING UP ON LINCOLN ROAD.
UH, I THINK EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
EVERYONE HAS THE SAME VISION RIGHT NOW FOR WHAT THAT SPACE COULD BE, UH, AND WANT IT TO BE.
I JUST DO ALSO UNDERSTAND OF, UH, WANTING TO HAVE A FEW SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT, UH, UH, WE, WE KEEP IT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I THINK YOU GUYS ARE WELL INTENTIONED, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND IT FROM A LEGAL POINT OF VIEW.
WE'VE GOTTA BE CAREFUL WHEN WE START PLAYING, UM, AND ZERO IN ON DETAILS LIKE THAT.
BUT I THINK WE COULD LEAVE IT UP TO THE, UM, THE STAFF HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, UH, IN OUR, UH, RECOMMENDATION, UM, SOME WORDING THAT WE COULD WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHY, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NO LANGUAGE, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING A CONTINUANCE, RIGHT.
UM, SO THAT WE CAN, SO THAT LANGUAGE CAN BE DEVELOPED AND WE'RE, THAT'S WHY WE PUT ON THE ONUS OF THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE US WITH LANGUAGE SO WE CAN SEE IF IT, IF IT MEETS THEIR VISION VERSUS HAVING TO IMPOSE SOMETHING ON THEM.
SO WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT THEY COME UP WITH SOME LANGUAGE THAT WORKS FOR THEM FOR US TO REVIEW AND FOR THE BOARD TO REVIEW.
CAN YOU DO THAT? I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BECAUSE WHAT WE WOULD DO, WHAT WE WOULD DO, UH, NEESON, IS WE WOULD PASS IT ON FAVORABLY AND PUT A NOTATION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ASKED YOU ALL TO COME UP WITH A, A, A MORE CLEAR DEFINITION OF, OF WHAT YOU ENVISION.
AND I, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT COULD BE PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION.
IF THE BOARD WANTS TO DO THAT, YOU COULD REQUEST THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE, BY THE CITY COMMISSION THAT, UM, ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE BE PUT IN PLACE SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS AREA.
I THINK AT THIS POINT, FOR A GROCERY STORE WITH NECESSARY MEET THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS OR ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S AS HARD AS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS HARD AS, AS IT SEEMS TO BE.
I, I THINK THIS FOR ZONING FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE THAT FOR,
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TO, TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.I ALSO WANNA INVITE
YEAH, NO, WHAT I MEAN IS HOW IT PRESENTS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE, UM, HOW PRETTY FAR THERE IT'S FROM LINKEDIN MODE AND ACTUALLY WHAT IS BEING ACTIVATED RIGHT AROUND US IS, UM, UH, ALLOWED.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SORT OF, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE GREAT.
ALL THE CHANGES THAT ARE COMING, MR. LUNO, WE, WE, WE WELCOME YOUR LANGUAGE.
UH, AND, UH, WE WILL, I THINK OUR THRUST THOUGH WOULD BE TO TRY TO KEEP IT, UH, FAIRLY SIMPLE AND NOT TOO DENSE WHERE YOU'RE, YOU, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU'RE OVER, YOU'RE OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE.
WE'RE NOT SUGGEST THAT EITHER.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WHAT I DON'T WANNA HAVE HAPPEN IS THAT, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE COMMISSION IS RELYING ON YOU TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION, AND WE DON'T HAVE THIS LANGUAGE DEVELOPED YET.
SO I COULD DELAY THINGS IF THE SCO IS COMMISSIONED AND THEY SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO REVIEW THE LANGUAGE.
SO I DO THINK SINCE THERE IS NO TENANT IDENTIFIED, IT'S WISE TO CONTINUE THIS APPLICATION YEP.
TO JANUARY, DEVELOP THE LANGUAGE.
THAT WAY THE BOARD HAS WEIGHED IN AND PROVIDED RECOMMENDATION ON THE LANGUAGE, BE SUPPORTIVE OR NOT.
COULDN'T YOU ALL DEVELOP THE LANGUAGE BETWEEN NOW AND LET'S SAY YEAH, BECAUSE NEXT MEETING, COULDN'T WE, IT'S MORE DIFFICULT THAN THAT.
IN OTHER WORDS, UNLESS, I MEAN, ARE YOU, IS PUTTING THIS TO JANUARY AND ONEROUS FOR YOU, OR WELL, WE CAN LOOK, THEY ARE ACTIVELY DEALING WITH POTENTIAL TENANTS, RIGHT.
SO YOU NEED, WE CAN COME UP WITH LANGUAGE IN A FEW DAYS.
I HATE TO, I HATE TO MAKE THEM WAIT ANOTHER THREE MONTHS FOR, YOU WANNA CONTINUE UNTIL NOVEMBER? WE CAN CONTINUE UNTIL NOVEMBER.
IF WE CAN GET NEXT MONTH, YOU WANNA CONTINUE UNTIL NOVEMBER, WE CAN CONTINUE UNTIL NOVEMBER 26TH.
WOULD THAT BE FINE WITH YOU? THAT WOULD BETTER.
ONE MONTH AND THEN YOU ALL TRY TO COME UP.
I THINK EVERYBODY WANTS THE SAME THING.
IT'S JUST, BUT I UNDERSTAND PRESCRIPTION IT TOO MUCH COULD BE VERY DETRIMENTAL TO THE VALUE.
THERE'S GOTTA BE A COMPROMISE WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, ACCOMPLISH WHAT I THINK YOU ALL ENVISION.
BUT THEY'RE JUST SCARED THAT YOU MAY BE NOT ENVISIONING THAT AND THAT THERE'LL BE A BAIT AND SWITCH.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF.
THEY DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THEM AS WHOEVER COMES AFTER IT.
BECAUSE WHOEVER IT'S GOT THAT, THAT ORDINANCE, UNLESS IT'S CHANGE AGAIN, HAS TO LIVE WITH, YOU KNOW.
UM, BUT WE WANT, THE PROPERTY SHOULD PROBABLY DO THE SAME WITH RETAIL MERCHANTS ON LINCOLN ROAD.
IF, IF THAT'S YOUR CONCERN, IF THAT IS THE CONCERN OF LINCOLN ROAD, THEY SHOULD DO IT WITH THE RETAIL MERCHANTS BECAUSE THAT CAN REALLY GO, AS YOU'VE SEEN.
SO THEN LET'S MOVE IN A MONTH AND, UM, AND 'CAUSE WE WANT YOU TO BE SUCCESSFUL, BELIEVE ME, AND WE WANT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT YOU TO HAVE A GREAT TENANT AND SO IS IT, WE'LL DO THAT MOTION.
MOTION TO, UH, TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.
AND THE PURPOSE IS TO GIVE YOU MAYBE A MONTH TO COME UP WITH WHAT, WHAT EVERYONE CAN, THAT YOU ARE HAPPY WITH, THEY'RE HAPPY WITH, AND YEAH.
WOULD LANGUAGE THAT'LL JUST SOME FURTHER DEFINING LANGUAGE IN TERMS OF I SECOND THAT GROCER OR, OR, OR PARTICULAR GROCER? ELIZABETH.
ALL FAVOR, ELIZABETH WILL GIVE US HER, UH, FAVOR.
REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING IN TO SPEAK TO US.
[7. PB24-0695. Washington Avenue Residential Use Incentive – Comprehensive Plan Amendment. ]
[8. PB24-0696. Washington Avenue Residential Use Incentives – Land Development Regulations Amendments.]
ARE ON, OH,UM, WE ARE NOW ON ITEM WHAT WAS SEVEN? SO IT'S, UH, PLANNING BOARD FILED 24 0 6 9 5 WASHINGTON AVENUE RESIDENTIAL USE SINCE I GUESS THEY'RE BOTH COMPANION.
YEAH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE NEXT ITEMS TOGETHER.
SO PLANNING BOARD FILE OH 6 9 5 AND OH 6 9 6 WASHINGTON AVENUE RESIDENTIAL USE INCENTIVES, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, MICHAEL.
SO JUST, UM, THIS HAS SOME COMPLICATED HISTORY AND THE, THE BOARD HAS SEEN THIS BEFORE.
SO, UM, AND JUST, JUST SOME BACKGROUND IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS SINCE, SINCE THIS DOES INCLUDE AN FAR INCREASE, THE CITY NOW HAS IN PLACE A SIX STEP PROCESS.
IT'S, UM, THE FIRST STEP IS A, A MEETING BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, THEN A COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETING, A SECOND MEETING, A SECOND MEETING BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, CITY COMMISSION REVIEW, ANOTHER OUTREACH MEETING, AND THEN A FINAL REVIEW BY THE CITY COMMISSION.
NOW IN THIS CASE, THE PLANNING BOARD DID REVIEW THIS APPLICATION.
PREVIOUSLY WE DID HAVE A, UH, PUBLIC, UM, COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETING, AND WE DID PROVIDE THE SUMMARY OF THAT MEETING, WHICH OCCURRED ON JULY 30TH.
I'M SORRY, THAT MEETING WAS ON SEPTEMBER 10TH.
AND ON PAGE 12 OR PAGE 30 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES, WE PROVIDED A SUMMARY OF THE COMMENTS PROVIDED BY THE, UM, THE, THE MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE.
NOW, SINCE THAT TIME, THE COMMISSION SPONSOR HAS FURTHER REVISED THE PROPOSED FIR INCREASE.
THE PRIOR INCREASE WAS TO, UM, ALLOW UP TO A 3.0 FAR.
THIS CURRENT, UM, DRAFT ALLOWS UP TO A 4.0 FAR.
SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS STARTING OVER AGAIN.
SO THIS NOW IS THE FIRST READING AT THE PLANNING BOARD
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FOR THIS, UM, THESE INCENTIVES.I'M GONNA GO THROUGH AND OUTLINE THESE INCENTIVES AGAIN.
AND THEN AFTER THIS MEETING, THERE WILL BE A, ANOTHER COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETING.
AND THIS WILL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR IN NOVEMBER FOR THE PLANNING BOARD'S FINAL REVIEW AND TRANSMISSION TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
MICHAEL, UH, CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT PROCESS BEFORE YOU START? SURE.
ARE WE REQUIRED TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM? YES.
THIS, THIS NOW IS, AND THAT'S WHY WE, WE HAVE ALREADY SCHEDULED THE, UM, THE SECOND OUTREACH MEETING.
AND IN ORDER TO, UH, AVOID DELAYING THIS FURTHER, WE HAVE SCHEDULED THIS FOR THE, THE SECOND READING, UM, NEXT MONTH.
SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT THIS, UM, TIMEFRAME CAN, CAN OCCUR WITHOUT SLOWING THE PROCESS DOWN.
UM, SO AGAIN, WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES IS ALLOW FOR, UM, TANGIBLE INCENTIVES FOR NON-TRANSIENT RESIDENTIAL USES ON WASHINGTON AVENUE FROM FROM FIFTH TO 16TH STREET.
NOW, THIS, THIS AREA DOES INCLUDE A VARIETY OF ZONING DISTRICTS, AND I'M GONNA GO THROUGH SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED AS PART OF THOSE DISTRICTS.
NOW, AGAIN, THIS, THESE INCENTIVES WOULD APPLY TO PROJECTS THAT HAVE NON-RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT USES ONLY.
UM, SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT THEY'RE NON-RESIDENTIAL, THAT NO RESIDENTIAL UNIT SHALL EXCEED 1200 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
IT DOES REQUIRE A MINIMUM MICRO MOBILITY COMPONENT WITHIN THE INTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE ACCESSIBLE BY ALL RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A MINIMUM, UM, LOT SIZE FOR AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT OF NOT LESS THAN 13,000 SQUARE FEET.
NOW, WE DID PROVIDE ON PAGE, UM, SIX OF THE BOARD, UM, PAGE SIX OF THE STAFF REPORT, OR PAGE 24 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE PRIOR APPROVAL AND WHAT'S PROPOSED RIGHT NOW.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN A SORT OF CARVE OUT FOR, UM, A PROPERTY TO, UM, TO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS, THIS ORDINANCE WOULD ELIMINATE THE MINIMUM OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR NON-TRANSIENT RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS.
PROVIDE A CAP ON THE NUMBER OF PARKING, ON THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES PROVIDED FOR AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT.
HOWEVER, THIS WOULD NOT APPLY, FOR EXAMPLE, TO THE PROPERTY WE JUST SAW LOCATED IN THE CD THREE ZONING DISTRICT THAT HAS PARKING FACILITIES.
WHICH, WHICH THE, THE PRIOR PROPERTY, THE, THE SAAS PROPERTY INCLUDED A PARKING GARAGE THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY PRIOR TO JANUARY 1ST OF, OF, UM, OF THIS YEAR.
IT DOES INCREASE THE MAXIMUM FAR RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT FAR MAXIMUM IS 2.0 FOR THE CCPS TWO, RM TWO AND CD TWO PROPERTIES, AND WOULD INCREASE THAT FROM 2.0 TO 4.0 FOR THOSE PROPERTIES AND WOULD INCREASE THE FAR FOR CD THREE, THREE CD THREE ZONE PROPERTIES TO 3.25.
IT DOES EXEMPT THE MICRO MOBILITY COMPONENT FROM FAR WITHIN THE BUILDING.
NOW, IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, IT DOES, IT DOES PROVIDE FOR AN INCREASE IN HEIGHT FROM 50 FEET TO 75 FEET.
AND THE CURRENT HEIGHT FOR HOTELS AND TRANSIENT USES WOULD BT WOULD BE DECREASED FROM 75 TO 50 FEET.
NOW, ON TOP OF THAT, IF YOU PROVIDE ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL, UM, ADDITIONAL, IF YOU COMPLY WITH ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS, YOU COULD GET AN ADDITIONAL 25 FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND THAT'S WITHIN, UM, THE CCPS TWO, RM TWO AND CD TWO ZONE PROPERTIES NOT TO EXCEED A HUNDRED FEET.
NOW, TO GET THAT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT YOU WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO PROHIBIT OFF STREET PARKING EXCEPT FOR THE PROPERTY I MENTIONED EARLIER.
UM, IT WOULD HAVE TO EXCEED THE MINIMUM MICRO MOBILITY REQUIREMENTS AND PARTICIPATE IN A PUBLIC MIC, A PUBLIC MICRO MOBILITY NETWORK.
IT DOES REQUIRE THAT A, UH, IT ACTUALLY DOES ELIMINATE THE MOBILITY FEE FOR PROJECTS THAT THEY GET A BUILDING PERMIT BY SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2032.
AND IT DOES SUNSET THESE INCENTIVES FOR PROJECTS THAT HAVE OBTAINED, OBTAINED A FULL BUILDING PERMIT BY SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2032.
IT DOES ALSO ALLOW FOR ENHANCED PERMITTING PROCESS, UM, FOR THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS.
NOW, SINCE THE FAR INC WAS INCREASED FROM 3.0 TO 4.0, THIS LATEST, UM, PROPOSAL DOES ALSO INCLUDE A, UM, DENSITY INCREASE FROM A PREVIOUS, UH, 100 TO 160 UNITS PER ACRE UP TO 175 UNITS PER ACRE TO ALLOW FOR THAT ADDITIONAL, UM, FAR.
UM, NOW WE ALL RECOMMENDED THAT RECOMMENDING THAT THE BOARD REVIEW AND PROVIDE COMMENT AND CONTINUE THIS, UM, APPLICATION FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION MODIFICATIONS AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS.
IT'S THE NOVEMBER 26TH MEETING.
IN THE INTERIM, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC WORKSHOP MEETING AND PROVIDE YOU THE RESULTS OF THAT MEETING AT THE NOVEMBER 26TH MEETING.
WELL, I'LL TURN IT OVER, UM, TO THE BOARD FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS? SHOULD WE ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE OR, OR YOU WANNA DO PUBLIC COMMENT? I'LL BE HERE IN CASE.
I THINK THIS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
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WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY.AND, UH, WASHINGTON AVENUE BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT DEFINITELY SUPPORTS THE IDEA NOW OF DOING SOME GREAT THINGS WITH RESIDENTIAL ON WASHINGTON AVENUE.
THERE WAS, WERE A FEW THINGS IN THERE THAT WE DIDN'T AGREE WITH, BUT I THINK SINCE WE HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN AND BASED UPON THE SUNSHINE MEETING THAT HAPPENED, I THINK NOW WE HAVE A GREAT FOUNDATION TO REALLY START DOING, UH, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO ON WASHINGTON AVENUE.
WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS THAT YOU HAD AN ISSUE WITH BEFORE THAT HAVE NOW SINCE BEEN RESOLVED? WELL, NUMBER ONE, I MEAN, THE FAR WAS A BIG QUESTION.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THERE WERE CERTAIN PROPERTY, UH, OWNERS WHO, UM, WOULDN'T SELL AND IT WOULD BE TOO DIFFICULT IN THIS MARKET FOR ANYONE TO BUY.
AND SO, ALTHOUGH WE COULD HAVE COME UPON AN AGREEMENT, WE COULD HAVE SAID WHAT WE WANTED FOR THE AVENUE, NO ONE WOULD'VE EVER SOLD THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, I THINK NOW THAT WE CAN GO TO, IF IT'S APPROVED TO A 4.0, IT WILL MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
UM, THE, THE HEIGHT, UH, WILL MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
AND SO THOSE WERE THE, THE BIGGEST THINGS.
AND THERE WERE SOME OTHER LANGUAGE IN THERE REGARDING THE TIMELINES HAVING MORE TO DO WITH NIGHTLIFE, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT WAS THE MAIN CONCERN.
SO YOU, YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A HIGHER FAR? ABSOLUTELY.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANYONE ON ZOOM? YES, WE HAVE, UH, DANIEL ERALDO.
UH, MEMBERS DANIEL SERATO WITH MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE.
UM, SO WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS LATEST VERSION YET, BUT JUST GOING BACK TO WHAT WE'VE SAID ALL ALONG, IS WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE MASSING STUDIES, THAT THERE ARE DRAWINGS AND DIAGRAMS TO ENSURE WHATEVER'S DONE IS, UH, SENSITIVE, RESPECTFUL, COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
MANY OF YOU KNOW, THE UNFORTUNATE FATE OF THE URBAN PROJECT THERE ACROSS FROM THE HISTORIC POST OFFICE, WHICH THIS BOARD, UH, GRANTED ADDITIONAL, UH, ENTITLEMENTS TO.
AND, UM, NOW IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS, VACANT AND, UH, MOSQUITO, UH, NEST.
SO WHATEVER WE DO, WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT.
I DO WANNA CAUTION WHAT WAS SAID BY THE BID HEAD.
YOU KNOW, ANYTIME YOU INCREASE FAR, THE OWNERS JUST PUT THIS SELLING PRICE HIGHER, AND THAT'S JUST HOW ECONOMICS GO.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK BIGGER AT WHAT IS THE OVERALL VISION, WHAT WE WANT AS A CITY.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY WITH YOUR SUPPORT, WE'LL MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
ANYONE ELSE? MICHAEL, WE NO OTHER CALLERS ON ZOOM? OKAY.
SCOTT, QUESTIONS? NO, I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, I KNOW THAT THE SUNSHINE MEETING THAT, UH, YOU, YOU'RE REFERRING TO, I MEAN, I, I ATTENDED, UM, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, UH, INCENTIVIZING RESIDENTIAL IN WASHINGTON WHEN IT WAS GOOD.
UM, I SAW SOME, SOME MASSING STUDIES THAT WERE DONE AND, AND I'M SEEING RATHER LARGE BUILDINGS KIND OF RECTANGULAR SHAPED BOXES.
SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN.
I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, I I, THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY, UM, WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD, BUT I, I MEAN, AT LEAST PERSONALLY, THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE MOVING, GOING FORWARD.
BUT, BUT I'M SURE SOME OF THESE THINGS CAN BE, UM, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSED AND MAY THEY MAY BE FURTHER REFINED.
UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S A POSITIVE DIRECTION TO, TO INCENTIVIZE RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING THAT.
MATTHEW, UH, MICHAEL, SO WHAT IS, IF THERE WAS A PARKING REQUIREMENT, UM, AS PART OF THIS OR THERE IS TODAY, WHAT IS THE TYPICAL HEIGHT OF A PARKING PODIUM FOR THESE TYPES OF BUILDINGS? WELL, UM, TYPICALLY IF SOMEONE'S BUILDING PARKING, IT, IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE REQUIREMENT.
UH, TYPICALLY IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD MORE THAN A FIVE STORY PARKING GARAGE.
UM, 'CAUSE THEN THE, THE SETBACKS CHANGE.
UM, BUT WE DID PROVIDE MASSING STUDIES IN THIS, IN THIS SET TO THE PLANNING BOARD THAT INCLUDE, UM, THE HEIGHTS WITHOUT A PARKING PEDESTAL.
SO I, WE DO THINK THAT WITH THE, UM, ADDITIONAL FAR THAT'S PROPOSED NOW, ADDITIONAL HEIGHT IS WARRANTED.
BUT MY, BUT MY QUESTION IS, LET'S SAY THAT, UM, A BUILDING WAS BEING BUILT TODAY, RESIDENTIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, AT A, AT A 2.0 FAR THAT'S ALLOWED TODAY AND BUILDING THE REQUIRED PARKING, LET'S SAY ONE SPACE PER PER UNIT, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW MANY LEVELS OF PARKING WOULD THAT BE? WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT, WE CAN PROBABLY TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT FOR NEXT MEETING AND SEE, BASED UPON THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS, UM, HOW MANY PARKING SPACE WOULD BE REQUIRED AND WHAT THAT WOULD ENTAIL IN TERMS OF A PARKING GARAGE.
BUT REALLY IS SITE SITE SPECIFIC, DEPENDING ON THE, THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UM, AND THE SIZE OF THE LOT.
BUT IT WOULD BE LIKE ONE TO TWO LEVELS PRESUMABLY
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OF PARKING? CORRECT.DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF, THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
NOW, UM, OF COURSE THE MORE UNITS WE PROVIDE, THE MORE PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED UNDER THE, UNDER THE CURRENT CODE REQUIREMENTS.
BUT WHAT WE'RE REVIEWING TODAY, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY REQUIRED PARKING FOR THAT? THERE'S REQUIRED PARKING FOR, UM, FOR LOADING AND FOR STAFF.
SO, UH, WHATEVER THE REQUIRED PARKING IS FOR LOADING, YOU HAVE TO DOUBLE THAT TO ALSO CONSIDER SOME, SOME REQUIRED PARKING ON SITE FOR STAFF THAT MAY BE NEEDED.
SO, UH, I THINK THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS IF RESIDENTIAL WAS BUILT TODAY IN THE CURRENT ZONING, YOU'D BE REQUIRED TO BUILD PERHAPS 20 TO 30 FEET OF, OF PARKING AT THE GROUND LEVEL? YEAH.
OR MORE DEPENDING ON JUST HOW EFFICIENT THE SITE IS.
IF YOU HAVE A LARGER SITE, YOU CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT AND DO IT IN FEWER LEVELS.
SO, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED FEET, SEVEN 90 FEET, 80 FEET MIGHT BE VERY REASONABLE, UH, FOR US TO CONSIDER.
AND THEN WE TAKE AWAY THAT PARKING THAT WE'RE NOT BUILDING.
SO IF IT'S 20 FEET OF PARKING, TAKE THE A HUNDRED FEET AND SUBTRACT 20 FEET, YOU'RE AT 80 FEET.
AND PRESUMABLY WE COULD STILL WITHIN THAT SAME VOLUME, YOU KNOW, MEET AN FAR OF, OF 3.0 OR, OR SUCH.
UM, YOU KNOW, I ATTENDED SOME OF THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND I THINK ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS ISN'T SO MUCH THE INCREASE IN DENSITY OR THE INCREASE OF FAR, IT'S, IT'S THE HEIGHT, IT'S THE ACTUAL, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, IMPACT THAT YOU HAVE ON THE BUILD ENVIRONMENT WHEN YOU'RE WALKING AROUND.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO INCENTIVIZE MORE RESIDENTIAL AND, UM, I THINK THERE'S A WAY PROBABLY TO THREAD THAT NEEDLE WHERE IT COULD BE DONE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, GOING SO HIGH THAT IT, THAT IT REALLY IS OUTTA CHARACTER WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THE, THE OTHER THING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS ANSWERED BY, BY THE WASHINGTON AVENUE BID, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INCREASE IN FAR FROM THREE TO FOUR, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK PROBABLY SURPRISED MANY OF US UP HERE WHEN WE WERE READING THROUGH THERE, SINCE THERE WASN'T NECESSARILY ANY CONTEXT.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WASHINGTON AVENUE HAS A LOT GOING FOR IT.
IT HAS, YOU KNOW, FUTURE TRANSIT LANES AS WELL.
UH, WHICH WOULD, YOU KNOW, WHICH WOULD OR COULD SUPPORT, UH, THIS INCREASE IN, UM, IN PEOPLE LIVING THERE.
SO COULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT, BUT I THINK THAT THAT HEIGHT, THE HEIGHT IS WHAT IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, THE BIG, THE BIG STICKLER HERE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY WAY THAT, THAT I THINK WE CAN HELP MOVE THAT HEIGHT TO A MORE REASONABLE LEVEL, WHETHER IT'S SETBACKS, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE SETBACKS? YEAH, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANOTHER MECHANISM IS THE SETBACKS.
SO IF YOU HAVE A STREET WALL THAT'S SAY, YOU KNOW, 50 FEET TALL, UM, YOU KNOW, FIVE STORIES AND YOU HAVE THE TOWER FOR THE SETBACK AS YOU EXPERIENCE WALKING DOWN THE STREET, YOU MAY NOT EVEN SEE THAT TOWER.
YOU'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, UM, MORE AWARE OF WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT'S IMMEDIATELY AT THE, AT THE FRONT SETBACK.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER MECHANISM THAT CAN BE USED TO, TO FURTHER, UM, DIMINISH OR MINIMIZE THE, THE HEIGHT.
BUT I WAS THINKING THE OPPOSITE OF THAT, ACTUALLY REDUCING THE REQUIRED SETBACK SO THAT YOUR FLOOR PLATES COULD BE LARGER SO THAT YOU CAN USE THAT ALLOWABLE FAR IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE GOING, UH, TO THAT MAXIMUM HEIGHT.
WELL, GENERALLY RIGHT NOW IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, UM, WE DON'T, THE SETBACKS ARE PRETTY MINIMAL ALREADY.
SO I THINK THAT TYPICALLY IF YOU WERE IN A, A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE THE, THE HIGHER SETBACKS KICK IN, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER ON THE AGENDA, 1250 WEST AVENUE.
MM-HMM
HOWEVER, UM, FOR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, PROBABLY GOING BACK 10 YEARS AGO, IF YOU WERE DOING A RESIDE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, YOU HAD TO FOLLOW THE RESIDENTIAL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
THOSE REQUIREMENTS WERE REMOVED, UM, FIVE TO 10 YEARS AGO.
SO NOW A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TYPICALLY CAN FOLLOW THE COMMERCIAL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT.
IF YOU WANT TO, UM, HAVE AN INCREASE IN SETBACKS ABOVE A POINT, OR IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU WANNA HAVE THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO MAX OUT THE, THE SETBACKS, THEN YOU DON'T NEED TO, YOU DON'T NEED, YOU DON'T NEED TO MODIFY THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, YOU ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT YOU WANNA HAVE LIGHT AND AIR.
SO YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE, UM, A LARGER FLOOR PLATE.
TYPICALLY, IF YOU'RE DOING AN OFFICE BUILDING, YEAH, YOU CAN HAVE A VERY LARGE FLOOR PLATE, BUT THAT FLOOR PLATE MAY NOT WORK FOR A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING WHERE PROBABLY A MORE SLENDER TOWER IS MORE APPROPRIATE.
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IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN GET THESE, UH, THESE MASSING STUDIES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT UP ON THE SCREEN FOR OUR, OUR BENEFIT AND, AND THE VIEWING PUBLIC'S BENEFIT? WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION, UM, PREPARED.SO THERE'S, UM, BUT IT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT.
SO IN THE BACK, IF PJ CAN BRING UP THE STAFF REPORT FOR THIS ITEM, GIVE US A SECOND.
WHILE HE'S DOING THAT, I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO REALIZE THAT THERE THERE'S ALSO A SENSE OF PROVISION OF 2032 FOR ALL THESE INCENTIVES, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE.
I MEAN, LOOK, IT, IT'S, I, I ONLY THE SECOND ONE IN HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS SOME, SOME REALLY GOOD, YOU KNOW, IDEAS BEHIND HERE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE IN THE CITY.
THE POPULATION KEEPS GOING DOWN, THE PRICE OF HOUSING IS INCREASING IN THIS CITY.
SO MORE SUPPLY IS, YOU KNOW, IS A BASIC WAY TO HELP, HELP COMBAT THAT.
BUT JUST LIKE A GROCERY STORE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THIS RIGHT HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BIG POTENTIAL FOR, FOR A BIG CHANGE.
AND PETER, ARE YOU, ARE YOU ABLE TO BRING UP, THERE WE GO.
IF YOU CAN GO TO, UM, MATTHEW, WHICH PAGE WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO TO FROM THE, WELL, IT STARTS ON, RIGHT, I MEAN, WHAT MICHAEL, WHICH, WHICH EXAMPLE DO YOU THINK IS A, IS A GOOD ONE? THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ABOUT FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT PARCELS I THINK OUTLINED HERE.
IF YOU GO TO PAGE, UM, PAGE 30 OF THAT STAFF REPORT, AND I DUNNO IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO ROTATE IT ALMOST THERE.
SO THIS, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF, UM, THE, THE PROPERTY AT 1260 WEST WASHINGTON AVENUE THAT SHOWS A 4.0 FAR AND A HUNDRED FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND THEN THE PRIOR, THE PRIOR, UM, SLIDE BEFORE THIS SHOWS A 4.0 FAR AT, UM, A HEIGHT OF 75 FEET.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER EXAMPLES OF A 4.0 FAR IN? YEAH, WE PROVIDED THIS MIAMI BEACH, UH, UM, CURRENTLY, SO, UM, I, I KNOW IT'S JUST BECAUSE WE, WE DID THIS FOR OUR ANALYSIS FOR 1250.
THE WAVERLY HOTEL HAS AN FAR OF ABOUT 4.2, UM, BUT TYPICALLY THE MAXIMUM CURRENTLY IN THE CITY IS AROUND 3 3 3 0.25.
DOES STAFF HAVE ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ON, ON THIS CHANGE TO THE PROPOSED INCENTIVES? NO, WE, WE FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, IT FITS IN WITH A DESIRE TO PROVIDE MORE RESIDENTIAL USES ALONG WASHINGTON AVENUE.
AND ULTIMATELY, UM, ANY SORT OF, UM, NEW TOWER OR DEMOLITION WILL REQUIRE REVIEW BY HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
SO I THINK THAT, AND WE, AND THIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD HAS APPROVED PROJECTS ALONG WASHINGTON AVENUE THAT DO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF FRONTAGE WHILE ALSO ALLOWING A NEW DEVELOPMENT.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE, THE PROJECT WE SAW EARLIER, THE MOXIE MM-HMM,
SO WE DO THINK THAT THAT, THAT THAT HEIGHT AND, UM, PROVIDES THE FLEXIBILITY.
AND I DO THINK THAT HAVING HIGHER HEIGHT PROVIDES MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE, FOR MASSING.
UM, IF YOU HAVE A HIGHER FAR AND HAVE A SQUASHED BUILDING, THEN YOU MAY HAVE MORE, MORE IMPACTS ON CREATING A, A UNIT THAT MAY NOT BE A DESIRABLE RESIDENTIAL UNIT.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO LIMIT THE, UM, THE WIDTH AND, UM, SIZE OF A, A FLOOR PLATE FOR A RESIDENTIAL TOWER VERSUS A, UM, AN OFFICE BUILDING OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
AND THEN THE OTHER, ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS ABOUT THE MICRO MOBILITY COMPONENT.
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HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE FURTHER DEFINED AND YES.SO THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WE'LL BE MODIFYING, UM, OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY CODE TO FURTHER DEFINE WHAT'S PART OF A MICRO MOBILITY NETWORK, AND ALSO TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T RUN AFOUL OF OUR PROHIBITION ON, ON SCOOTER RENTALS, WHICH IS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW CITYWIDE.
SO WE, WE WOULD BE MODIFYING, UM, THOSE DEFINITIONS, IF THIS GETS TO THE POINT WHERE, WHERE, UM, IT'S GOING TO BE APPROVED, THERE IS A PLACE TO DO, YOU KNOW, NO PARKING REQUIREMENT AND ACTUALLY INSTITUTING PARKING MAXIMUMS. IT IS SOUTH BEACH.
IT IS ALONG, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS ALONG WASHINGTON AND COLLINS AND OCEAN, WHERE YOU DO HAVE THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE TODAY THAT, AND THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST INSTANCE WHERE THE CITY WOULD ACTUALLY FACE PLACE OF PROHIBITION.
YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS REDUCED PARKING REQUIREMENTS ELSEWHERE IN NORTH BEACH, BUT THE CITY HAS NEVER PROHIBITED SOMEBODY FROM PROVIDING PARKING IN ACCORDANCE WITH PARKING DISTRICT NUMBER ONE.
SO THIS WILL BE THE FIRST, THE FIRST TIME THAT THE CITIES HAS ACTUALLY PROHIBITED, UM, PARKING IN THESE INSTANCES.
AND THAT'S SMART, SMART POLICY IN NORTH BEACH.
A LOT OF THOSE UNITS HAVE TWICE OR EVEN MORE OF THE REQUIRED, THE MINIMUM REQUIRED PARKING.
UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I, PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED THAT, THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL GONNA BUY A CAR AND LIVE IN THESE UNITS AND PARK ON THE STREET, BUT THAT'S NOT THE REALITY LIKELY OF THE SITUATION HERE.
MATT, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT? I DON'T, I'M SORRY.
YOU DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE TRUE.
WELL, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE TRUE.
I'M NOT QUITE FOLLOWING JUST WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT THAT'S THE REALITY.
I THINK IF SOMEBODY'S BUYING, IF, IF SOMEBODY'S BUYING INTO A BUILDING UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS NO PARKING THERE, THEY, THEY BUY INTO THAT BUILDING WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING.
AND IF PARKING IS NOT READILY AVAILABLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN THAT'S GONNA DISSUADE THEM FROM BUYING THAT, YOU KNOW, BUYING THAT OR LIVING IN THAT UNIT.
SO I DO THINK THAT THAT, UM, THIS IS THE AREA WHERE THAT MICRO MOBILITY COMPONENT, UM, CAN, CAN WORK.
AND WHERE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MOST BUILDINGS OF FLAMINGO PARK, THERE'S NO PARKING PEOPLE LIMITING 50% OF THE FLOOR AREA RATIO OF THE FLOOR OF THE FIRST FLOOR TO MICRO MOBILITY IS NOT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF, OF A DEVELOPMENT.
UM, BUT I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF REMOVING THE PARKING REQUIREMENT AND LETTING THEM DECIDE WHAT TO DO.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE STILL CAN FINE TUNE, UM, THE MICRO MOBILITY COMPONENT AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK PROHIBITING ANYTHING.
I DON'T THINK TELLING A OWNER OF A PROPERTY, YOU CANNOT DO THIS OR YOU CANNOT DO THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO GO AT ALL.
SO MAYBE, MAYBE YOU JUST COME, I KNOW WE, I SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT THIS BEFORE, UM, ELIZABETH, YOU HAD A CONCERN WITH LIMITING THE MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE TO 1200 SQUARE FEET.
I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE RAISED TO 2000 SQUARE FEET.
I THINK THAT, UM, IF WE'RE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT HAVING FAMILIES LIVE HERE, THAT, UM, WE NEED TO RAISE, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE A CEILING.
WE SHOULD HAVE A FLOOR, AND THAT FLOOR SHOULD BE 650 SQUARE FEET.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD RAISE THAT TO 2000 SQUARE FEET AND MAKE IT ACTUALLY LIVABLE FOR FAMILIES.
I DON'T THINK 1200 SQUARE FEET IS, I MEAN, I LIVE IN 1200 SQUARE FEET NOW, AND IT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR ME AND MY HUSBAND.
SO I THINK THAT, THAT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU NEED TO GET IT RIGHT AND THAT, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD HAVE FAVORABLE APPROVAL WAS, I THINK THE INTENT IN DOING THAT WAS TO AVOID, UH, YOU KNOW, LUXURY.
BUT TWO, IT'S NOT 2000 SQUARE FEET'S NOT GONNA BE LUXURY.
ESPECIALLY NOT WITH, NOT IN SOUTH BEACH AND NOT FOR A FAMILY.
I'M, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE WORKSHOPPED A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU, ELIZABETH.
UM, AND I AGREE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE, I, I AGREE THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE MM-HMM.
UM, BUT I THINK THIS IS A IMPORTANT PROPOSAL AND, AND ORDINANCE TO PUSH FORWARD.
UH, WE'VE SEEN THAT, UH, INCENTIVES WORK BY THE AMOUNT OF, UH, OFFICE SPACE THAT WE HAVE COMING TO MIAMI BEACH.
AND, UM, I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO MOVE FORWARD FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY BECAUSE WE NEED THIS HOUSING SPACE.
THE ONLY THING THAT COMES TO MIND IS LIKE ALL THESE NEW RESIDENTS, THEY'RE REALLY GONNA NEED A GROCERY STORE.
UM, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY COMMEND,
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UH, THE COMMISSION WHO'S PROPOSING THIS BECAUSE AGREE, FOR A LONG TIME, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS.I THINK EVERYONE WHO'S BEEN ON HERE FOR A FEW YEARS, UM, CAN ATTEST TO THAT.
AND WE'VE TRIED TO KIND OF MOVE THE DENSITY AWAY FROM THE WATER KIND OF MORE TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, CENTER OF THE CITY.
UM, SO IT'S, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT STEP, UH, TOWARDS BRINGING RESIDENTS BACK TO THE BEACH, UM, IN A VERY SMART AND THOUGHTFUL WAY.
MY QUESTION IS ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
SO HOW MUCH RETAIL WOULD BE ALLOWED, UH, TO BE HOUSED ON THE GROUND FLOOR, WHATEVER, WHATEVER COULD FIT IN AFTER YOU FACTOR IN THE REQUIRED MICRO MOBILITY COMPONENT AND ANY SORT OF LOBBY OR STAIRWELLS, YOU CAN HAVE ACCESSORY COMMERCIAL USES ON THE GROUND FLOOR THAT ARE TYPICAL FOR, SO LET, LET'S ASSUME THAT SOMEONE IS TAKING FULL ADVANTAGE OF, YOU KNOW, THE FOUR OH FAR, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AT LEAST TO ME IT WASN'T TOTALLY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THE MICRO MOBILITY REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE.
I KNOW YOU SAID THAT HAS TO BE FURTHER DEFINED, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE FRAMEWORK IN THERE TO ALLOW FOR RETAIL USE.
BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE BRING, RIGHT, ONCE WE BRING THE DENSITY AND, AND KIND OF CRITICAL MASS INTO THE AREA, IT'D BE A SHAME TO NOT HAVE THOUGHT THROUGH WHAT THAT RETAIL USE COULD BE, RIGHT? I DON'T ENVISION YOU, YOU WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THIS MICRO MOBILITY COMPONENT AS THE STREET FRONT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE LIKE WITHIN THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
WE STILL HAVE YOU ACTIVE USES ALONG THE STREET, RIGHT? SO I'M MEANING IS THAT JUST GONNA GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, A, A, YOU KNOW, 500 SQUARE FOOT SPACE OR CAN YOU KIND OF HAVE MORE OF A SPACE? 'CAUSE IF ANYTHING I'D, I'D FURTHER PROMOTE THAT RETAIL USE VERSUS THE MICRO MOBILITY.
EVEN THOUGH I THINK THAT THE MICRO MOBILITY ARE IMPORTANT AND IT'S GONNA GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS REDUCING THE, UH, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, DRIVING AND, AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE CAN KIND OF BALANCE BOTH.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, INCREDIBLY SUPPORTIVE AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH DEPTH TO HAVE VIABLE RETAIL ALSO.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT KIND OF AS WE PUSH THIS FORWARD, WE CAN PROACTIVELY THINK ABOUT HOW TO BALANCE BOTH THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, RETAIL NEEDS.
OBVIOUSLY THE RESIDENTIAL NEEDS, WHICH IS GONNA TOTALLY, IN MY OPINION, START TO CHANGE THE FABRIC OF THE CITY IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION.
UH, WHILE ALSO BALANCING, YOU KNOW, THE MICRO MOBILITY, WHICH I THINK ALL FORWARD LOOKING CITIES ARE STARTING TO INCORPORATE.
'CAUSE I, I JUST, JUST, UM, YOU WOULDN'T WANNA HAVE A LARGE SITE THAT HAS ONLY A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING WITH NO ACTIVE USES ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
UH, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THAT, THAT, UM, COMMERCIAL COMPONENT.
LIKE IF, IF YOU LOOK AT, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN OR BRICKELL, YOU KNOW, FROM THESE BUILDINGS THAT WERE DONE IN IN THE SEVENTIES, THAT THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU SAW.
YOU SAW A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, THESE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS WHICH HAD NO PLANNING FOR, FOR RETAIL USE.
UM, SO IF, IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT, LET'S DO IT WHERE WE CAN REALLY ACTIVATE THE STREETSCAPE AND, AND THAT GIVES AN ADDITIONAL INCENTIVE FOR THESE PEOPLE TO MOVE IN AND START TO CREATE THAT VIBRANT CITY THAT I THINK WE'RE ALL, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
MELISSA, ANYTHING ELSE? UM, I'M SECONDING WHAT
I THINK IT'S A FINE BALANCE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL USAGE AND, UM, AND THE RETAIL.
AND TO MAKE THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, A HAPPENING VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK WE'RE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
SO CONGRATS TO THE COMMISSION FOR PULLING THIS OUT.
AND I, AND I DO, AND I DO THINK THE, THE NEW, UM, FAR HEIGHTS, UM, ARE, UM, PART OF THE TRADE OFF.
I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SEEING THE, THESE CHANGES AND WE TEND TO RESIST IT AND A LOT OF RESIDENTS GET SCARED OF IT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING'S GOTTA GIVE TO ATTRACT SOME OF THE INVESTMENTS IN THE CITY IN THAT AREA.
JUST A FOLLOW UP IN TERMS OF JUST, I MENTION YOU MENTIONED THE, THE HEIGHT AGAIN.
UM, TYPICALLY WHEN WE HAVE AN FAR OF OVER 3.0 IN THE CITY, THE HEIGHT IS 150 TO 250 FEET.
I MEAN, SORRY, 150 TO 200 FEET IN TERMS OF THE ALLOWING, SO HAVING AN FAR OF 4.0 WITH A HEIGHT OF, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED FEET, A HUNDRED FEET OR SO IS NOT EXCESSIVE.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE EXEMPTION FOR THE MICRO MOBILITY OR IS THAT, IS WELL, THE A HUNDRED FEET, THE, IT'S JUST SEPARATE.
THAT'S A SEPARATE MEASUREMENT.
THAT'S NOT THAT, THAT, UM, MICRO MOBILITY IS NOT EXEMPT FROM THE HEIGHT.
ALRIGHT, SO MICHAEL, THERE'S NO ACTION FOR US TO, TO TAKE TODAY? NO.
NO, THE ONLY ACTION IS TO, UM, PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS AND CONTINUE TO THE NOVEMBER 6TH MEETING.
ALRIGHT, WELL, UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANY MORE COMMENTS, LET'S DO THAT.
WELL, HANG ON ONE, ONE MORE COMMENT.
AND JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THE SPONSOR IS HERE, WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIM, AND I KNOW HE IS LISTENING TO US, THE MICRO MOBILITY PART EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE FINE TUNED.
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IT'S, YOU KNOW, A, A SHARING NETWORK OR IT'S PEOPLE'S PERSONAL DEVICES, MANY PEOPLE, UH, WHO HAVE SCOOTERS AND E-BIKES, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY KEEP THEM OUTSIDE OR THEY KEEP THEM IN THEIR APARTMENT.SO I THINK THAT COMPONENT, IF THERE'S GONNA BE ONE STILL HERE, NEEDS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALSO POTENTIAL PRIVATE OWNERSHIP AS WELL, UH, WHEREVER THAT, THAT MAY BE AS IT FITS INTO HERE.
ALSO, NICK WANTED ME TO LET YOU KNOW, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE DO HAVE MINIMUM UNIT SIZES, YOU KNOW, UM, FOR, FOR APARTMENT UNITS ANYWAY.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD APPLY HERE AS WELL.
AND YOU STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE, COMPLY WITH THE MINIMUM.
UM, WHAT'S THE MINIMUM USAGE? WHAT'S A MEAN MINIMUM? MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE? MINIMUM OF BE FIVE 50 FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND 800 AVERAGE.
I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE PLENTY OF FAMILIES THAT LIVE IN APARTMENTS, 1200 SQUARE FEET.
I THINK THAT WE REALLY WANT TO INCREASE THAT.
I'M NOT WILLING TO SET A, A MAXIMUM AT ALL.
LIKE, I'M NOT WILLING TO TELL A PROPERTY OWNER, YOU CANNOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LIVE IN 1200 SQUARE FEET.
I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN TO ANOTHER SPONSOR AND HE'S SUPPORTIVE OF THE 2000 BECAUSE THAT'S A REAL FAMILY PLACE.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, AND EXCUSE ME, MARKET IMPLICATIONS.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE A, A LUXURY CONDOMINIUM ON THE WATERFRONT.
SO, YEAH, SO I THINK, I THINK AS WE GET TO NEXT MONTH'S MEETING, IF THERE IS A, IF THERE ARE CONSENSUS ON RECOMMENDATIONS, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT AS PART OF THE PLANNING BOARD'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
IF THERE'S NOT A CONSENSUS, WE ALSO CAN PROVIDE ANY SORT OF ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY HAD AS PART OF THE, UM, ORDINANCES.
AND WHEN AND WHEN'S THE, UH, WORKSHOP, THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP? UM, LEMME SEE.
PRIOR TO NOVEMBER'S MEETING, RIGHT? YES.
LEMME JUST GET THAT, SORRY, I JUST GOT A, SOME PROBLEM WITH MY COMPUTER.
YEAH, I JUST WANNA ALSO, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE THE PUBLIC AWARE, SO THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP WILL BE ON, UM, NOVEMBER 7TH AT 5:30 PM AND THAT'LL BE VIA ZOOM WITH THAT, WAS THERE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE, THE, UM, ORDINANCE? ALL RIGHT, SO, SO AFTER THAT WORKSHOP THEN, I CAN'T COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD ON NOVEMBER 26TH IF PLANNING'S GONNA TWEAK THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE OR NO, WE'RE GONNA, IF THERE, IF THE, WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY LOOK INTO FURTHER THE, UM, THE MICRO MOBILITY COMPONENT AND, UM, UM, THE MASSING STUDIES AGAIN.
AND THEN THE PLANNING BOARD WILL MAKE ITS FINAL RECOMMENDATION.
AND NEXT, MARK ON NOVEMBER 26TH.
ALRIGHT, SO WE WANNA MOVE IT TO NEXT MONTH.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE, UH, THIS ITEM TO NEXT MONTH.
AND THAT, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S FOR BOTH ITEMS PB 24 DASH 0 6 9 5 AND PB 24 DASH 0 6 96? CORRECT.
[10. PB24-0670 a.k.a. PB22-0519, a.k.a. PB0416-0008, f.k.a. File No. 2136. 4041 Collins Avenue - Hotel.]
NEXT ITEM IS UNDER PREVIOUSLY CONTINUED APPLICATIONS PLANNING BOARD FILED 24 0 6 7 0, UH, OH 5 1 9 AND OH 0 0 8 40 41 COLLINS AVENUE HOTEL.GIMME JUST A SECOND TO FIND THIS REPORT.
YOU CAN JUST READ THAT DESCRIPTION JUST NOW.
THE NEXT SIGN ON THE AGENDAS AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING MODIFICATIONS TO A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CONDITION USE PERMIT FOR NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENT WITH ENTERTAINMENT.
SPECIFICALLY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR THE RENOVATION AND RECONFIGURATION OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED VENUES IN THE HOTEL AND THE EXPANSION AND INTRODUCTION OF OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT IN SOME OF THE VENUES PURSUANT TO CHAPTER TWO, ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION 2 5 2 OF THE MIAMI BEACH RESILIENCY CODE.
SO IT WAS NOTED IN OUR REPORT, UM, STARTING ON PAGE 105 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES STAFF HAS OUTLINED THE VARIOUS VENUES ON THE SITE.
OKAY, WHAT PAGE MICHAEL 1 0 5, PAGE 1 0 5 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES THIS, THIS APPLICANT IS REQUESTING MODIFICATIONS TO A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED, UM, CUP.
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PROPERTY HAS A LONG HISTORY.UM, MOST RECENTLY THE SWORN PRESERVATION APPROVED, UM, RENOVATIONS TO THE BUILDING, INCLUDING RECONFIGURATION OF THE ENTIRE EXTERIOR PORTION OF THE BUILDING AS IT FACES, UM, THE OCEAN.
AS PART OF THAT, UM, A MODIFICATION, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN EXPANSION OF THE OCCUPIES PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE BOARD.
NOW, ORIGINALLY THEY WERE, THEY WERE, UM, REQUESTING EXPANSION OF THE ENTERTAINMENT COMPONENT.
CURRENTLY, THE COP ALLOWS FOR ENTERTAINMENT AT AN AMBIENT LEVEL SO THEY CAN HAVE A LIVE BAND OR A DJ, UM, OUTSIDE, BUT NEVER TO EXCEED, UM, AMBIENT LEVELS OR A LEVEL THAT WOULD INTERFERE WITH NORMAL CONVERSATION.
ORIGINALLY, THEY WANTED TO EXPAND UPON THAT THEY HAVE SINCE WITHDRAWN THAT REQUEST.
SO THIS REQUEST ONLY INCLUDES, UM, MODIFICATION OF THE VENUES.
JUST TO CLARIFY WHERE SOME SEATING HAS BEEN MOVED AROUND, OCCUPANCIES HAVE MOVED AROUND AND THEY ARE REQUESTING TO INCREASE THE OVERALL OCCUPANCY.
UM, NOW JUST TO GO THROUGH THE SUMMARY OF OUR, UM, OUR STAFF REPORT.
THE NOTABLE CHANGES START ON PAGE, ON PAGE 1 0 9 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES.
THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED, UM, POOL DECK AS WELL AS ON PAGE ONE 10, AN EXPANSION OF AN OUTDOOR VENUE.
NOW, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THE COP THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IN FAVOR OF TODAY, WHICH DOES AUTHORIZE, UM, AMBIENT OUTDOOR MUSIC UP UNTIL 3:00 AM AND THAT'S HOW THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING.
UM, ON PAGE 113 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES, YOU'LL SEE A COMPARISON OF THE PRIOR APPROVAL ON THE UPPER LEFT AND UPPER RIGHT, THE PROPOSED, THE PROPOSED VENUE.
AS IT RELATES TO THE POOL DECK, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING AN, AN INCREASE IN OCCUPANCY OF APPROXIMATELY 400 PEOPLE.
THAT'S PART LARGELY DUE TO A, UM, A SOLID COVERING, WHICH COULD BE PLACED OVER ONE OF THE POOLS TO, FOR A LARGER DANCE FLOOR TO EXPAND THAT OCCUPANCY.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT NOT BE APPROVED WITHOUT A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
UM, SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE APPLICANT MAINTAIN THE CURRENT OCCUPANCY, WHICH IS 1,590 PEOPLE, AND ONLY BE ALLOWED TO INCREASE UP TO THE PROPOSED 2043 PERSONS AS PART OF A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT ONLY UP TO, UM, EIGHT TIMES PER YEAR.
CURRENTLY, UM, LIKEWISE, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING, UM, MODIFICATION OF AN OUTDOOR VENUE SHORT ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 113.
PREVIOUSLY, THIS, THIS COMPONENT WAS ONLY INDOORS AND HAD APPROVAL FOR INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT.
NOW THEY'RE PROPOSING AN EXPANSION OF THAT AREA WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW OUTDOOR DECK, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT THAT OUTDOOR AREA BE ALLOWED TO HAVE ENTERTAINMENT, UM, LIKE THE REST OF THE SITE.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT FOR THIS, THIS NEW COMPONENT THAT, UM, OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT NOT BE PERMITTED ANY INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT BE LIMITED TO THE INDOORS OF THE ESTABLISHMENT.
SO IN SUMMARY, UM, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THERE BE NO EXPANSION OF THE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT VENUES, INCLUDING FOR THE POOL AREA AND FOR WHAT'S CALLED AS THE ANDES LOUNGE OR VENUE NUMBER FIVE, EXCEPT AS MAYBE PERMITTED WITH A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT UP TO EIGHT PER YEAR THAT WE DID PROVIDE IN STARTING ON PAGE 116 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES A, UM, A RED LINE OR UNDERLINING AND, AND STRIKE THROUGH OF THE PRIOR, UM, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND ANY SORT OF, UM, UM, MODIFICATIONS.
THE ONLY, UM, DISAGREEMENT OR, UM, UM, DISCREPANCY BETWEEN WHAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IS THE ISSUE OF THE, UM, OCCUPANCY TO GO ABOVE THE, UM, APPROXIMATELY 1600 AT ALL TIMES AS WELL AS TO ALLOW, UM, OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT EVEN AT ENT LEVEL FOR THE AREA THEY'RE REFERRING TO AS THE ANDAZ LOUNGE.
I'LL TURN OVER TO THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR PRESENTATION.
UM, JAVIER ARNO AND NICK NODO WITH THE LAW FIRM OF BILLS AND SUNBURG 1450 BRICKELL AVENUE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER AND APPLICANT.
UH, JUST I'LL DIVE INTO, JUST TO RESPOND TO MICHAEL'S PRESENTATION.
WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF'S REVISED OR MODIFIED CP.
WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE OCCUPANCY REMAINING AT THE 1590, UM, AND USING SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS TO THE EXTENT THAT, UM, THE OCCUPANCY, UM, EXCEEDS, UH, EXCEEDS THAT.
UH, AS MICHAEL INDICATED, UM, THERE'S ALSO A MODIFICATION TO THE WHAT IS THE ON DAS LOUNGE, UM, THAT INCLUDES AN OUTDOOR COMPONENT THAT WASN'T PREVIOUSLY EXISTING.
UM, WE'RE ALSO COMFORTABLE WITH NOT HAVING ENTERTAINMENT USES IN THAT AREA.
SO WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF'S, UM, REPORT AS PROPOSED WITH ONE MINOR, UM, UH, REQUEST, WHICH ACTUALLY HAS TO DO WITH A TRANSPORTATION RELATED CONDITION.
I'LL LEAVE THAT FOR, FOR, UH, A MOMENT.
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BE TO ALLOW US TO WORK WITH, UM, CITY, UH, STAFF, CITY TRANSPORTATION STAFF IN PARTICULAR, TO COME BACK AFTER OPERATION TO REVIEW OUR PROPOSED VALET ATTENDANCE, UM, THAT WILL ALLOW US TO INCORPORATE, UM, AND THIS BOARD HAS CONSIDERED THAT AS RECENTLY AS APRIL OF THIS YEAR IN A DIFFERENT APPLICATION AND INCLUDED THAT AS, UH, A, AS A MODIFIED CONDITION THAT'LL ALLOW US TO, UM, UH, BE ABLE TO, UH, PROVIDE DATA THAT SUBSTANTIATES RIDE SHARE AND OTHER COMPONENTS THAT CAN'T BE, UH, INCLUDED, UM, UH, UNTIL YOU HAVE ACTUAL TRIP GENERATIONS AND UNTIL THE PROPERTY'S ACTUAL OPERATIONAL.WE'VE ACTUALLY PROVIDED SOME LANGUAGE TO STAFF.
I THINK THEY MAY HAVE, UH, SOME, SOME THEY MAY HAVE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THAT LANGUAGE, I'M NOT SURE.
UM, BUT JUST TO DIVE A LITTLE BIT BACK, UM, THIS PROPERTY IS THE CONFIDANT, HISTORIC CONFIDANT HOTEL.
UM, IT'S BEEN OPERATING AS A HYATT FOR SOME TIME.
UM, THE HYATT, IT REMAINS AS THE OPERATOR, BUT WE ARE REPOSITIONING THIS HOTEL AS AN ON DAS, WHICH IS PART OF THE HYATT BRAND.
IT'S A, IT'S A HIGHER END LUXURY COMPONENT OF THE HYATT BRAND.
AND SO WE'RE PARTICULARLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS RENOVATION, WHICH IS ONGOING.
UM, AS STAFF INDICATED, WE DID RECEIVE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD UNANIMOUS APPROVAL FROM THAT BOARD IN 2022, WHICH ALLOWED US TO GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
AND THE PROPERTY IS UNDER, UNDER THAT RENOVATION CURRENTLY.
IT'S ACTUALLY CLOSED AT THE, AT THE PRESENT MOMENT, ALLOWING FOR THOSE MODIFICATIONS.
UM, THEY'RE BOTH INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS.
UM, THE EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS ARE REPOSITIONING OF THE POOLS, UM, AND THE POOL DECK AREA AS WELL AS AN EXCITING PIECE, WHICH THERE'S A, A HISTORIC 1940S HOME, OR 1930S HOME, I SHOULD SAY, UM, THAT HAD BEEN PLACED IN ONE LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY.
IT'S BEEN LIFTED AND RELOCATED TO A DIFFERENT PLACE.
UM, WHICH, UH, WHICH WITH THROUGH CONSULTATION WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD AND AND PLANNING STAFF, IT'S A MUCH, UH, BETTER SUITED LOCATION, UM, FOR BOTH USE AND ENJOYMENT OF THAT, UH, OF THAT HISTORIC HOME.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE QUITE EXCITED.
I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH QUICKLY.
UM, THE, THIS IS THE LOCATION, 40 41 COLLINS AVENUE.
UM, THIS IS THE EXISTING CUP, UM, IT'S COLOR CODED, COLOR COORDINATED.
UM, YOU COULD SEE THAT THESE ARE THE, UH, THE VENUES, THE POOL DECK AREA 1930S HOME IS IN BLUE AND, UH, TOWARDS THE MIDDLE.
UM, THAT WAS ITS PRIOR LOCATION.
UM, THEN YOU HAVE WHAT IS THE, UM, THE TWO OF THE RESTAURANTS.
AND THEN ON THE SECOND FLOOR IS WHAT IS NOW WE REFER TO AS THE S LOUNGE.
UM, IT'S ACTUALLY BEING REPOSITIONED TO A NEW, UM, UH, THAT'S THE NEW ENTRANCE AND LOBBY AREA.
YOU'LL ACTUALLY GO UP, UM, A FLIGHT OF STAIRS AND THAT'LL ALLOW THOSE, UH, FOLKS AS THEY COME IN TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE TERRACE AREA AND SEE VIEWS OF THE WATER AS THEY CHECK IN.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED, UM, RE UH, REDISTRIBUTION OF THE, OF THE VENUE SPACES.
SO WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY VENUE SPACES.
THERE'S FIVE AS PART OF THE CURRENT CUP.
THERE'S FIVE AS PART OF THE PROPOSED OR MODIFIED CUP, THE OCCUPANCY AS, AS, UH, MICHAEL, UM, ALLUDED TO, UH, SOME OF THE SPACES ACTUALLY DECREASE IN OCCUPANCY, SOME CHANGE SLIGHTLY, UH, INCREASE WITH, UH, C COUNTS.
UM, AND WE'VE AGREED AS, UH, AS MICHAEL INDICATED TO, UM, TO THE STATUS QUO AS FAR AS OCCUPANCY 1590 AS IS PRESENTLY IN THE CURRENT CUP, YOU'LL SEE THE RELOCATED IN BLUE.
THE RELOCATED HISTORIC HOME NOW HAS A MORE PROMINENT LOCATION TOWARDS THE WATER, WHICH REALLY WILL ALLOW, YOU KNOW, THOSE THAT WALK DOWN, UM, THE, THIS, THE BOARDWALK TO BE ABLE TO VIEW IT AND, AND ENJOY IT.
THIS IS THE, THE ON DAS LOUNGE COMPONENT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S THE IN LIGHTER SHADE OF PINK IS THE, IS THE OUTDOOR COMPONENT THAT WE, AS WE HAVE AGREED TO NOT HAVE THE, UH, THE ENTERTAINMENT, UH, COMPONENT TO IT.
UM, WE ARE PARTICULARLY EXCITED ABOUT, UM, ABOUT THIS REPOSITIONING A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT HAS BEEN MADE INTO, INTO THAT.
AND SO, UM, WE ARE, UH, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT CCPS HAVE, HAVE EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS.
UM, BUT WE HAVE BEEN A GOOD STEWARD OF OUR, UH, OF OUR CUP, UH, OVER THAT TIME.
WE BELIEVE THAT THE, UM, THE, THE ANDAZ COMPONENT OF THIS WILL BRING AN ELEVATED, UM, UH, AN ELEVATED COMPONENT TO THIS AREA AND, UH, AND TO THE USES, UM, AND PATRONS THAT SERVE IT.
I'M GONNA HAVE NOW, UH, JUST GO BRIEFLY.
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THE RED LINE VERSION OF THE MODIFIED CUP.AS YOU CAN SEE IT, THE THREE MEAL RESTAURANT WENT, WENT DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY OCCUPANCY.
UM, AND THE OTHER VENUES HAD SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS.
UM, AND WE, THIS IS THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDED MODIFIED CUP, NOT, NOT OUR ORIGINAL PROPOSED, UM, NUMBERS.
SO YOU'LL SEE THE POOL VENUE HAS AN OCCUPANCY OF 400, WHICH IS WHAT THE, THE STAFF FELT COMFORTABLE WITH.
AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT AS WELL.
WE'LL, A AVAIL TYPES OF SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS TO THE EXTENT THAT WE INTEND ON EXCEEDING OUR OCCUPANCY.
UM, THE NATURE AND OPERATION OF THIS HOTEL, UM, IS NOT, UM, IS NOT THAT OF, OF, OF, UH, OF, YOU KNOW, UH, AN ENTERTAINMENT IN THE SENSE OF, UH, UH, DJS ALL THE TIME HAVING, UH, PROMOTIONAL EVENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE OPERATIONS OF OUR HOTEL.
SO WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE MODIFIED CUP AS IT IS.
UM, AND THEN I'M GONNA HAVE MY MALCOLM GO THROUGH JUST BRIEFLY THE OVERALL DESIGN CHANGES.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S, I IMPORTANT SO YOU CAN GET A FLAVOR OF WHAT THE, WHAT THE REVISED VENUES ARE.
AND THEN IF WE CAN, WE'LL GO BACK TO OUR, OUR REQUEST FOR A SLIGHT MODIFICATION TO THE, UM, TO THE TRAFFIC, UH, CONDITION TO THE VALET ATTENDANT CONDITION.
UM, MALCOLM BERG, PRESIDENT AND, UH, DESIGN DIRECTOR OF EOA GROUP ARCHITECTURE AND INTERIOR DESIGN FIRM IN, UH, CORAL GABLES.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK YOU WANNA DELVE TOO DEEP INTO THE NARRATIVE OF THE PROJECT, BUT THE NARRATIVE, BASICALLY YOU STARTED WITH THE ACQUIESCE NATURE OF THE LOCATION, THE FACT THAT WE ARE OVER THE OCEAN LOOKING AT THE OCEAN, BUT FRANKLY, THE PROPERTY WAS DEVOID OF ANY RELATIONSHIP TO THE OCEAN.
SO WE WANTED TO BRING SORT OF AN ANTHROPOMORPHIC, SOMEWHAT, UH, BIOMORPHIC RELATIONSHIP BACK INTO THE PROPERTY.
INSERT DOING, BROUGHT THE POOLS MUCH CLOSER TO THE LOBBY IN THE LOBBY LOUNGE.
THE CURRENT SITUATION, AS WAS JUST MENTIONED, AS YOU ENTER THE PROPERTY, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHERE YOU ARE.
WE BROUGHT THAT LOWER LOBBY TO THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH IS THE ANDAZ LOUNGE.
UM, SO YOU COME IN THROUGH ESSENTIALLY SORT OF A JUMP ENTRY, TAKE THE ELEVATOR STRAIGHT UP, UH, BEAUTIFUL GRAND STAIRS THAT TAKE YOU UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR, GO INTO THE LOUNGE, CHECK IT AT THE LOUNGE, AND THAT LOUNGE TAKES YOU DIRECTLY TO THE OUTDOOR TERRACE.
THAT OUTDOOR TERRACE IS NOW THE COVERING THAT IS CURRENTLY THE RETRACTABLE, UH, ROOF, UH, AT THE, AT THE CONFIDANT.
SO WE'RE REPLACING THE RETRACTABLE BY A SOLID COVER.
THAT SOLID COVER WILL HAVE LITTLE POOLS, UH, THAT BASICALLY LIGHT UP AT NIGHT, THAT ARE ALSO FILTERING LIGHT THROUGH A SKYLIGHT DOWN TO THE LOWER LEVEL.
SO THE DINING ROOM WILL HAVE AN OUTDOOR TERRACE, UH, WITH SKYLIGHTS IN IT, UH, THAT ACT AS BASICALLY IMAGINE THEM AS, AS, AS THE WATER VERSION OF A FIRE, FIRE PIT ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO, ALSO IMPORTANT BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO THE GRAPHICS, TO NOTE THAT AS WE'RE TALKING NUMBERS, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ONE MASSIVE PARTY SPACE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS AT ALL.
THERE ARE MANY DISCREET SMALL PORTIONS THAT ARE KIND OF INDEPENDENT, SORT OF TIED SYMBIOTICALLY TO EACH OTHER, BUT NOT, UH, THIS IS NOT A MOSH PIT BY ANY STRETCH OF IMAGINATION.
ALRIGHT, SO GETTING INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THE CONCEPT, THE ACQUIESCE WORLD, UH, BRINGING, UH, UH, THE OCEAN INTO THE PROPERTY.
UH, LOOKING AT THE SITE ITSELF, UM, OBVIOUSLY OCEAN ON THE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE HISTORIC BUILDING, UM, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PICTURE THAT HAS BEEN MOVED FROM WHERE THIS WAS DOWN TO THIS ZONE OVER HERE ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.
THIS UPPER POOL IS NOW FIVE FEET HIGHER THAN THE GRADE USED TO BE.
SO WE'VE ACTUALLY BROUGHT THE, THE EAST POOL STAYS AT THE CURRENT GRADE.
THE CENTER POOL GETS HIGHER TO GET MUCH CLOSER TO THE LEVEL OF THE LOBBY LOUNGE.
SO THE ANDAZ LOUNGE EXTERIOR TERRACE IS ONLY FIVE FEET ABOVE THIS ONE.
SO A REAL BEAUTIFUL, UH, UH, UM, MOMENTS OF HIERARCHY AS YOU GO FROM THE LOUNGE ITSELF TO THE TERRACE TO THE MIDDLE INTERSTITIAL POOL TO THE, TO THE LOWER POOL.
THIS IS NOW, UH, SHOWING, SORRY, IN THE PREVIOUS ONE, DOWN BELOW YOU CAN SEE THE LOWER RESTAURANT TO THE LEFT OF THE UPPER POOL, WHICH IS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE THAT IS BELOW THE TERRACE.
AND THIS IS A LOWER RESTAURANT INTERIOR, LOWER RESTAURANT EXTERIOR.
AS WE GO BACK TO THE UPPER LEVEL, WE HAVE THE ANDAZ LOUNGE HERE, AND THIS IS ALL THE TERRACE WITH THE ANDAZ LOUNGE CONNECTING THE BALCONY WITH A BALLROOM BALCONY, IT WALKS YOU DOWN, AND AT THE END OF THAT TERRACE, YOU STEP DOWN TO THE ACTUAL POOL BAR THAT ACTS AS THE AMBASSADOR BETWEEN ALL THE SPACES, JUST GIVING YOU A BIT OF A LAY OF LAND, THE ENTRANCE, THIS IS THAT, UH, GRAND STEER HISTORIC STEER THAT WE ARE SORT OF REPURPOSING, PUTTING NEW CHANDELIER, NEW MATERIALS ON THE WALL, ADDING AN ELEVATOR AT THE END.
SO VERY INTUITIVE PATH OF TRAVEL.
THAT ELEVATOR TAKES YOU RIGHT UP TO THE ANDAZ LOUNGE ITSELF.
FROM THIS LOUNGE, WE WALK STRAIGHT, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A BAR AT THE ANDAZ LOUNGE AS WELL.
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DIRECTLY OUT TO THE TERRACE.THE TERRACE WITH A SORT OF A LILY PAD.
WATER FEATURES, I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN SEE THEM.
UM, THAT GET LAID UP AT NIGHT.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE ISN'T A LOT OF ROOM FOR ASSEMBLY SPACE.
IT'S REALLY MUCH MORE NEUTRAL AS AN EXTENSION OF THE, UH, OF THE LOBBY LOUNGE.
AS WE WALK PAST, UH, THE, THE LILY PADS, WE GET TO THE END OF THE, UH, OF THE TERRACE LOOKING DOWN ON THAT INTERSTITIAL POOL THAT IS NOW FIVE FEET HIGHER THAN THE GRADE IS TODAY AND BEYOND.
ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU START TO SEE THE, UH, THE BAR, AND THEN YOU START TO SEE THE, UH, THE, UH, THE POOL AND THE BAR NEXT TO IT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE LOWER AND THE UPPER POOL.
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A HUGE PARTY VENUE BY ANY STRETCH OF IMAGINATION.
AND THIS SHOWS THE IMAGE OF THE 1930S RELOCATED HOME, UH, MUCH MORE VISIBLE FROM THE BOARDWALK THAN IT WAS PRESENTLY.
I NEGLECTED TO ALSO INTRODUCE JUST SOME OTHER MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE.
DAVID HOROWITZ FROM, UH, OWNERSHIP IS HERE, AS WELL AS ADRIAN DEBOWSKI FROM KIMLEY HORN TO ADDRESS ANY TRAFFIC RELATED COMMENTS THAT THERE MAY, THERE MAY BE.
I DO HAVE, UM, THAT LANGUAGE THAT CAN BE DISTRIBUTED.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH AN APPLICATION THAT, UM, THAT THIS BOARD APPROVED IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR.
UM, AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH LANGUAGE THAT'S EMBEDDED WITHIN BOTH, UM, OUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AS WELL AS, UM, AS THE, THE CITY'S TRAFFIC REVIEW.
UM, SO THAT, WITH THAT, WE WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I CAN DISTRIBUTE THIS, I'LL GIVE IT TO MICHAEL AND HE CAN DISTRIBUTE IT.
UH, ANYONE ELSE IN THE CHAMBERS SPEAK ON THIS? ANYONE ON ZOOM? YES.
WE HAVE ONE CALLER ON ZOOM, DANIEL ERALDO.
DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
DANIEL ERALDO WITH MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE.
I JUST WANTED TO, UM, HIGHLIGHT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THEY HAVE GONE AND MOVED A PROPERTY, A 1930S SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
THEY'VE ELEVATED IT TO THE NEW FLOOD REQUIREMENT AND MOVED IT ON THE PROPERTY.
AND IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN IT YET, I URGE YOU TO GO CHECK IT OUT.
THIS IS AN AMAZING EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS POSSIBLE WITH RESILIENCY AND WHEN YOU HAVE DEDICATED OWNERS THAT TAKE CARE OF THEIR PROPERTIES AND DO NOT NEGLECT IT LIKE WAY TOO MANY ALONG THE OCEAN.
SO, JUST WANTED TO CHIME IN AND SAY THANK YOU TO THE OWNERS FOR THEIR RESTORATION AND RENOVATION PROJECT BADIR.
UM, REAL QUICK, IS THERE ANY DISCLOSURES, ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE TO MAKE ON THIS ONE? NO.
USED TO GO TO BAR MITZVAHS ALL THE TIME AT THIS POINT.
SO WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC.
ANYBODY ELSE ON ZOOM? THERE'S NOBODY ELSE ON ZOOM WITH A HAND RAISED.
SO WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY? SCOTT, YOU WANNA START? NO, I MEAN, IT, IT, THEY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CITY RECOMMENDED YOU GUYS ARE, ARE GOING ALONG WITH.
SO, I MEAN, THAT GOES A LONG WAY WITH US, I THINK.
UM, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, I THINK I READ SOMEWHERE YEARS AGO THERE WAS ONE MINOR NOISE VIOLATION, SO, UM, I'M IN FAVOR.
AND, UM, AND I JUST LOOKED AT THE, I GUESS THE LANGUAGE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE, THE VALET OPERATOR OR THE NUMBER OF AT ATTENDANTS.
AND, UM, YEAH, I KNOW WE, WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE WHERE WE, WE DIDN'T REQUIRE IT, I GUESS INITIALLY THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT, BUT IF YOU FIND YOU NEED CORRECT FEWER, THEN WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF, OF ADDING THAT AS WELL.
I'VE STAYED THERE PRE-RENOVATION AND, UH, BEAUTIFUL THEN AND CERTAINLY WILL BE EVEN NICER, UH, WHEN IT, WHEN IT OPENS.
I WAS TRYING TO FIND THE TDN THE TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT PLAN IN THE PACKET, AND I COULDN'T LOCATE IT.
AND, UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT.
THIS IS A, A, YOU KNOW, LARGE HOTEL, EVEN LARGER HOSPITALITY, UH, TYPE OPERATION WITH HUNDREDS OF EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS OF GUESTS, AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A PART OF THE CITY WHERE THEY'RE USED TO HAVING THESE BIG TYPE OPERATIONS, BUT IT'S STILL GONNA BE IMPACTFUL AND IT'S NOT EASY FOR A LOT OF THESE EMPLOYEES TO GET TO THE AREA.
SO I WANNA LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW THIS IS GONNA BE, UH, CONTROLLED AND MITIGATED, PLEASE.
SO, AS PART OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY IN ADRIAN DUKOWSKI WITH KIMLEY HORN OFFICES AT TWO ALEJANDRO PLAZA AND CORAL GABLES, UM, WE INCLUDED A WHOLE SERIES OF, UH, TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES THAT ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE TRAFFIC
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STUDY.THEY SHOULD ALSO BE, UM, PULLED INTO THE TRANSPORTATION MEMORANDUM.
THESE CONSIST OF, UM, HAVING, UH, EMPLOYEE TRANSPORTATION COORDINATOR ROLE, UM, THAT'S ASSIGNED TO A SPECIFIC PERSON, UM, EMPLOYEE AT THE SITE TO, UH, FACILITATE THE ENTIRE PROGRAM.
THERE'S 20 SHORT TERM SECURE BAR, UH, BICYCLE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE PROVIDED.
THE HOTEL CONCIERGE WILL PROVIDE TRANSIT INFORMATION INCLUDING ROUTE SCHEDULE AND MAPS, UM, DEDICATED SCOOTER MOTORCYCLE PARKING WITHIN THE OFFSITE GARAGE, UH, CARPOOL INCENTIVES FOR EMPLOYEES, UH, SUBSIDIZED TRANSIT PASSES FOR EMPLOYEES, UH, 10 RENTAL BIKES.
UM, THEY WILL BE, THOSE RENTAL BIKES WILL BE SERVICED AND WASHED ON A MONTHLY BASIS ON THE SITE, UH, CAR AND VAN POOLING DESIGNATED PARKING SPACES, ALSO IN THAT OFFSITE GARAGE, UH, LOCKERS AND FOR BICYCLISTS TO STORE AND CHANGE CLOTHES AND A SHOWER FACILITY FOR BICYCLISTS TO USE ON SITE.
AND THESE ARE THE, THE KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, ITEMS THAT, THAT CAN HELP MOVE THE NEEDLE.
WE SAW WITH CATCH, THEY PROVIDED SOME GREAT INFORMATION.
THEY FOLLOWED UP, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE OPERATION WAS OPEN AND UNDERWAY.
I THINK AFTER THIS, UM, AFTER THIS, THIS HOTEL AND ALL THE OTHER ASSOCIATED HOSPITALITY VENUES ARE OPEN, WHETHER IT'S, IT'S 90 DAYS, 180 DAYS, WHATEVER THE TIME PERIOD IS, THAT INCLUDES THE SEASON.
YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU ALL BACK HERE FOR A PROGRESS REPORT TO TALK ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS AND THE, UH, THE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES THAT HAVE BEEN OUTLINED IN THE, IN THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT PORTION OF YOUR OPERATIONS.
I, I, MICHAEL CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THERE'S ALREADY A REQUIREMENT TO COME BACK AT A SIX MONTH.
I DON'T THINK THAT WAS EXPRESSLY PUT IN BECAUSE THIS IS A MODIFICATION.
SO I DO THINK WE NEED TO EXPRESSLY INCLUDE A TIMEFRAME.
UM, ALSO, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE NOW, GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE THAT THE CITY REQUIRES ON AN ONGOING BASIS, AN ANNUAL BASIS, A PROGRESS REPORT TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
BUT I THINK AT THIS TIME WE, WE SHOULD PUT IN A CONDITION THAT SAYS AFTER THE SITE IS, YOU KNOW, UM, UP AND RUNNING ACCORDING TO THE PLANS APPROVED HEREIN, THAT YOU COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR PROGRESS REPORT OR ISSUES SUCH AS THE, UM, UM, TRAFFIC VALET AND TDM IS, UM, IS, UM, PROVIDED TO THE BOARD AND FURTHER EVALUATED.
SO I'LL LEAD UP TO THE BOARD OF WHAT TIMEFRAME YOU THINK IS MOST APPROPRIATE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR THAT PROGRESS REPORT.
AND THEN WITH THAT, I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE MODIFIED CONDITION THAT YOU, THAT YOU HAVE IN HERE, UM, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE A PROGRESS REPORT NOW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 90 OR 120 DAYS AFTER, UM, OPERATION STARTS.
MATT, DO YOU HAVE A TIMEFRAME IN MIND FOR THAT? AGAIN, I, I THINK IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD, UH, IT SHOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SEASON, YOU KNOW, THE WINTER MONTHS HERE.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD A PROGRESS REPORT THIS MORNING.
THEY OPENED IN, I THINK MAY, AND THEIR REPORT BASICALLY COVERED THE SLOWEST PART OF THE YEAR.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S HELPFUL, BUT IT'S NOT THE MOST IMPACTFUL.
SO WHY DON'T WE GO SIX MONTHS FROM NOW THAT IT COULD BE, YEAH, SIX MONTHS.
WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE OPENING? WE ANTICIPATE FEBRUARY.
SO, SO WE'RE WHAT, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL.
SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU WANNA DO IT TILL MAYBE MAY, I MEAN, I, I THINK I, I HAPPY TO LEAVE THIS, LEAVE THIS UP TO MICHAEL AND HIS TEAM TO FIGURE OUT THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO BRING THEM BACK JUST, AND, AND THAT, AND THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD AND GIVE A PROGRESS REPORT.
WHAT WE, THE REASON THE CONDITION IS DRAFTED AS IT IS, WHICH IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OTHER APPLICATION THAT CAME BEFORE IT IS TO ALLOW STAFF TO NAVIGATE THOSE, THAT ANALYSIS INDEPENDENT OF THE, THE, THE BOARD PROCESS, RIGHT? SO IT DOESN'T MEAN WE WOULDN'T COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD ADDRESS ANY TRANSPORTATION RELATED ISSUES AND ALSO ADVISE YOU OF OUR ATTENDANT, UM, YOU KNOW, CAPACITY.
UH, BUT I THINK ALLOWING US TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL AND THEN ALLOWING STAFF TO BRING US BACK BEFORE NOT MAKING IT A CONDITION PRECEDENT.
THE THING I DO THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A, A DATE IN THERE, UM, TO START WITH.
UM, SO I WOULD SAY I WOULD SAY SIX MONTHS.
UH, SO NOT JUST THE VALET PORTION, WHICH IS IMPORTANT SINCE THERE'S, RIGHT, SINCE THE PARKING IS OFF SITE.
UM, BUT ALSO ALL THE, THE TDM STRATEGIES THAT YOU'VE OUTLINED, UH, WITH RESPECT TO YOUR EMPLOYEES AS WELL.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE INDEPTH INFORMATION TO PROVIDE TO US ON THAT AND TO TAKE A, A REALLY GREAT EFFORT TO, TO HELP, YOU KNOW, HELP EMPLOYEES FIND THE MOST
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APPROPRIATE.YEAH, AND BEST WAY TO GET TO THE, THE GOOD NEWS WITH THIS PROPERTY IS IT'S AN ON ONGOING.
THE, THE, THE FORTUNATE PART IS THIS ISN'T A NEW, UM, PROPERTY.
SO WE'VE BEEN OPERATIONAL FOR MANY YEARS.
MM-HMM,
AND SO THERE'LL BE THAT CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS, UM, AND, AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SERVE OUR EMPLOYEES AND, AND, AND OUR PATRONS, UH, WITHOUT ANY ISSUES.
UM, THROUGHOUT OUR OPERATION TO DATE.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE ANTICIPATE.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T, UM, UNNECESSARILY BURDEN OUR, OUR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROGRESS REPORT WITH THE, THE, THE STRICT COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS.
THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND AND STAFF HAS SAID THAT THEY, THEY ARE, THEY ACCEPT THAT CHANGE.
ANYTHING ELSE, JONATHAN? YEAH, I MEAN, TO MATTHEW'S POINT, I MEAN, IT WAS REALLY HELPFUL FOR US TO UNDERSTAND FOR CATCH THIS MORNING, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY ARE RIDING A SCOOTER, HOW MANY ARE DRIVING, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY ARE COMING FROM SOUTH BEACH, MID BEACH, NOT FROM MID BEACH, BUT, UM, SO THAT WILL BE HELPFUL.
UM, SO JUST TO UNDERSTAND, 'CAUSE IN THE CURRENT, I GUESS, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THERE'S 11 MORNING AND 37 EVENING VALET ATTENDANCE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE TRAFFIC, UM, ANALYSIS GENERATES.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S A CONSERVATIVE ANALYSIS, RIGHT? YOU'RE ASKING, AND IT DOESN'T, YOU'RE ASKING FOR TO REVISIT THAT YOU'RE OKAY WITH THIS FOR NOW, BUT YOU WANNA REVISIT IT AT THE PROGRESS REPORT, YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK AND SHOW US HOW YOU DON'T REALLY NEED THAT MUCH, THAT MANY VALET, WHICH IS FINE.
IF YOU DON'T NEED IT, YOU DON'T NEED IT, AND I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE IN THERE, BUT YOU'RE OKAY.
I'M JUST MAKING SURE YOU'RE OKAY WITH THESE NEW PROVISIONS BECAUSE IN, IN WHAT WAS PASSED OUT WAS, I GUESS THE OLD LANGUAGE, AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU NO, THE, THAT LANGUAGE IS NOT, THAT LANGUAGE IS NOT INCLUDED IN, IN NO, I KNOW.
KNOW THE, THE, IT WAS USING THE OLD 13.
SO LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS LIKE, VALET SERVICE SHALL BE PROVIDED 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, YOU KNOW, I ASSUME YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE REST OF THESE.
YEAH, IT WAS ONLY THAT SPECIFIC ITEM, THE ITEM ON THE VALET ATTENDANCE THAT WE WANTED THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO REVISIT IT BASED ON AN ANALYSIS.
COMMENTS? UM, NOTHING FROM ME OTHER THAN JUST TO CONFIRM WITH STAFF.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE NO CHANGE TO SOUND OR MUSIC, ANYTHING THAT THAT'S ALL CONSISTENT? THAT'S CORRECT.
MELISSA, JUST, I'M JUST RELIEVED THAT YOU GUYS PULLED OUT THE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT.
YOU JUST SAVED AN HOUR OF YOUR, YOUR TIME.
UM, NO, I'M, I'M ON BOARD ON IT WITH EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE, UH, NEW, UH, TRANSPORTATION.
IT'S, IT'S ABSOLUTELY STUNNING.
SHE WHISPERED, SHE WANTS TO MOVE IN THERE.
WELL, HONESTLY, THERE'S, THERE'S VERY FEW HOTELS AROUND THAT THAT ARE UP TO STANDARD.
THANKS TO THE OWNER BACK THERE.
ALRIGHT, SO I'M WANNA MOVE IT WITH THE ADDED CONDITION THAT THEY'LL COME BACK.
WHAT'D YOU SAY? SIX MONTHS, MICHAEL? SIX MONTHS AFTER THEY START OPERATIONS, I'LL MOVE IT FORWARD.
WELL, MELISSA, MELISSA MOVED IT, I'M MODIFYING THE CONDITION, RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA ADD THAT, WE'RE GONNA ADD WHAT YOU INCLUDED THE TOP OF THIS PAGE.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT, WE'LL ADD THAT AS WELL AS A SIX MONTH CORRECT REPORT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
IS SHE'LL SECOND IT? YOU WANT, DO YOU, CAN I DO IT ALL IN FAVOR OR DO I NEED TO ROLL? YOU CAN DO ALL IN FAVOR.
ANYONE OPPOSED? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UH, WE'LL DO ONE MORE THEN BEFORE LUNCH.
[11. PB24-0704, 1343 Alton Road – Day Care Center]
APPLICATION PLANNING BOARD FILE.ALTON ROAD FOR A DAYCARE CENTER.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE ON THAT? LET'S SEE.
THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE HERE, UM, VIA ZOOM.
MIKE, ARE YOU, ARE YOU ON THIS ONE? NO, NO.
YEAH, THE APPLICANT'S, UM, AVAILABLE, UM, VIA ZOOM.
THE NEXT ITEM IN THE AGENDA IS PB 24 DASH 7 0 4 13 43 ALTON ROAD.
AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING MODIFICATIONS TO A PREVIOUSLY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE OPERATION OF A DAYCARE CENTER.
SPECIFICALLY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE OWNER OPERATOR AND UPDATE THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL PURSUANT TO CHAPTER TWO, ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION 2 52 OF THE MIAMI BEACH RESILIENCY CODE.
WE SHOULD NOTE THAT THIS APPLICATION ACTUALLY HAS A LONG HISTORY GOING BACK TO 1991.
IT HASN'T HAD A, A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP, UH, SINCE THEN.
SO OVER TIME OUR CCPS HAVE CHANGED AND EVOLVED.
SO AS PART OF THE, UM, CONDITIONS APPROVING THE CHANGE OF OPERATOR AND OWNER, WE'RE ALL RECOMMENDING SOME OF THE CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, BE UPDATED.
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THE PLANNING BOARD GRANTED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A DAYCARE FACILITY AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.NOW, AT THE TIME THIS PROPERTY WAS ON CD ONE AND NOT LOCATED IN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO AT THAT TIME, A PARK, AN ANNUAL PARKING IMPACT FEE WAS REQUIRED, WHICH WAS BEING PAID.
NOW, LATER ON THIS SITE BECAME LOCATED IN THE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND BECAUSE IT'S IT'S CLASSIFIED AS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING IN THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE IS NO PARKING REQUIREMENT.
SO ONE OF THE UPDATES TO THE ORDER INCLUDES REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY PAY THE ANNUAL FEE FOR THE PARKING.
ANOTHER REQUIREMENT BY THE PLANNING BOARD WAS THAT THEY PROVIDE, UM, AN ON STREET LOADING ZONE FOR THE PROPERTY.
NOW, SINCE THIS PROPERTY WAS INITIALLY APPROVED, ALTON ROAD WAS, WAS REDONE, AND THERE'S NO LONGER ANY SORT OF LOADING AREAS OR PARKING SPACES ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING THAT AS PART OF THIS APPROVAL, THAT THE CONDITION BE UPDATED TO REMOVE THAT REQUIREMENT FOR, UM, AN ON STREET LOADING, THERE IS PARKING AVAILABLE, UM, AT THE FRONT OF THE SITE AS WELL AS, UM, OPERATIONALLY ALONG THE ALLEY FOR, UM, FOR LOADING OR UNLOADING.
SO THIS, THIS APPLICATION IS RELATIVELY MINOR, IT'S JUST, IT IS JUST BEFORE YOU FOR A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP OPERATOR.
NOW, JUST TO NOTE THAT THIS NOW IS A NON-CONFORMING, UM, USE IN THE, UM, RO THIS IS NOW RO ZONING DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, AS LONG AS THE THE USE IS MAINTAINED AND, AND AND CONTINUOUSLY OPERATED, THIS USE MAY, MAY CONTINUE.
AND SINCE IT HAS BEEN OPERATION FOR SO LONG, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS FROM ITS OPERATION.
WE HAVE THE, I BELIEVE THE, THE APPLICANT OR OWNER IS ONLINE IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM.
UM, LAUREN PATAU AND LAUREN, I'D FIRST LIKE TO, TO SWEAR YOU IN.
DO, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, MY NAME IS LAUREN TO, I'M THE NEW OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
AND SO, UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CONTINUE THE OPERATIONS ON THE PROPERTY FOR A, UH, CHILDCARE CENTER.
UM, MY VISION FOR THE PROPERTY IS TO, UH, PROVIDE A MONTESSORI EDUCATION FOR THE COMMUNITY AND JUST PROVIDE A HIGHER STANDARD OF, UH, EDUCATION IN GENERAL AND IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND, UM, I'M WILLING TO COMPLY WITH ANY, UH, REQUEST FROM THE BOARD.
AND THERE'S NOBODY WE WANNA, I GUESS WE WANNA TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT DOWN.
UM, IS THERE ANYBODY ON ZOOM? THERE'S NOBODY ON ZOOM WITH THEIR HAND RAISED.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I FINE WITH THAT.
UM, YOU WANNA TAKE A LUNCH BREAK NOW? UH, YES.
WE'LL DO A 1520 MINUTE LUNCH BREAK.
SO LET'S SAY IT'S 10 TO TWELVE, TWELVE TEN, MAKE A PHONE CALL.
[12 PB24-0717. NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR LAND USE BOARDS.]
NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND CODE AMENDMENTS.THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 12 ON THE AGENDA PLANNING BOARD FILE 24 0 7 1 7 NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR LAND USE BOARDS.
IN THIS, UM, APPLICATION OF THE STAFF REPORT BEGINS ON PAGE 143 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES.
NOW THIS ORDINANCE PROPOSES TO AMEND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS BY REPLACED IN THE CURRENT REQUIREMENT FOR A 30 DAY PUBLISHED NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER OF GENERAL CIRCULATION WITH A 30 DAY ONLINE NOTICE PUBLISHED ON A WEBSITE HOSTED BY MIAMI-DADE COUNTY.
THIS WOULD INCLUDE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES REQUIRED FOR THE CITY'S LANDING BOARDS, INCLUDING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DESIGN, REVIEW BOARD, HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, AND THIS BOARD, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, CURRENTLY ALL REQUIRED PUBLIC NOTICES ARE REQUIRED TO BE PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER GENERAL CIRCULATION.
AND THESE ARE DONE IN THE MIAMI HERALD AND THE SUNDAY SECTION.
UM, PREVIOUSLY WE HAD TWO OPTIONS.
WE COULD PROVIDE, WE COULD DO PUBLIC NOTICE ON A THURSDAY IN THE, IN THE MIAMI, UM, HARALD NA IN THE HARALD NEIGHBORS, OR ON SUNDAY.
OVER TIME, THE, THE HARALD HAS REMOVED THAT SECTION FROM THURSDAY.
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SO NOW WE'RE, WE'RE LIMITED TO PROVIDING PUBLIC NOTICE ON SUNDAY.IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THAT NOTICE, WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE, UM, OUR, OUR NOTICE THE TUESDAY BEFORE THE MEETING.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A BIG TIMEFRAME REQUIRED FOR US TO PUBLISH ANY NEWSPAPER THAT'S, ANY, ANY PUBLIC NOTICE THAT'S REQUIRED.
THIS OPTION ALLOWS US TO DO PUBLIC PUBLISH NOTICES ONLINE ON A, UM, COUNTY ACCESS A COUNTY WEBSITE, WHICH WILL ALSO BE MORE, UM, COST EFFICIENT COMPARED TO THE CURRENT PROCESS.
RIGHT NOW APPLICANTS PAY, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES OVER A THOUSAND DOLLARS TO PUBLISH THEIR NOTICE IN THE HERALD.
AND THIS, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SPENDS TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR IN DOING PUBLISHED NOTICES FOR THE HERALD.
THIS ONLINE, UM, PROCESS, WE BE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT, WE BELIEVE, UM, UM, BE MORE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND, UM, IS ACTUALLY A BETTER SOLUTION COMPARED TO THE CURRENT OPTION.
SO WE ARE RECOMMEND PLAINTIFF AWARD FAMILY WITH THIS ORDINANCE TO THE CITY COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE CHAMBERS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? DANIEL? IT COULD HAVE COME FOR THE LAST HEARINGS.
UM, ANYONE ON ZOOM? THERE'S NOBODY ON ZOOM WITH THEIR HAND RAISED.
UH, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY QUESTIONS? SOMEONE WANNA MOVE IT? ONE QUESTION.
THERE ARE NO, UH, LIMITATIONS OR RESTRICTIONS AS TO WHEN THINGS CAN BE POSTED.
MEANING IF I COME TO CITY STAFF AND SAY I WANNA SUBMIT A PROPOSAL THAT DAY, WE CAN SUBMIT TO THE, WELL I DON'T KNOW THE TECHNICALITIES OF THE COUNTY WEBSITE YET, SO, BUT I'M SURE IT'S GONNA BE MUCH, MUCH RESTRICTIVE COMPARED TO THE, THE HAROLD NOTICE.
I WELL YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION BUT WE'LL DISCUSS.
UM, MICHAEL, THE RED NOTICES THAT GO OUT IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, THAT'S, THEY'RE NOT CHANGING.
SO WE STILL, WE STILL DO THE MAIL NOTICE TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS MAIL.
WE WITHIN THREE AND 75 FEET, WE STILL DO THE SITE POSTING.
THIS WOULD JUST TAKE PLACE OF THE HARALD NOTICE TO DO A, AN AN ONLINE POSTING.
THIS IS JUST REPLACING THE, THE HERALD HARALD NOTICE.
DO DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF HOW MANY RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER RELY ON THOSE NOTICES IN THE NEWSPAPER? I GUESS THE ONLY THING I'M THINKING IS IF THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO RELIGIOUSLY LOOK AT THAT, IS THERE ANY WAY WE'RE REACH, WE'RE CONTACTING PEOPLE TO LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THIS NEW WEBSITE.
I'M SURE THE CITY WILL BE DOING SOME OUTREACH, UM, WHEN THIS DOES GO LIVE.
AND, AND THE CITY COMMISSION HAS ALREADY ADOPTED, UM, THIS RULE FOR, FOR, FOR ACTIONS, UH, THAT REQUIRE, UM, NEWSPAPER NOTICE UNDER THE CITY CODE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A BALLOT QUESTION ON THE NOVEMBER 5TH BALLOT TO ADDRESS, UH, NEWSPAPER NOTICES FOR ORDINANCES.
'CAUSE OUR CHARTER REQUIRES THAT THOSE BE NOTICED IN A NEWSPAPER.
UM, WHAT THIS DOES IS THIS WOULD NARROWLY APPLY THE ALLOW, UH, NOTICES OF LAND USE BOARD APPLICATIONS TO BE, TO BE NOTICED ONLINE, UH, INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF IN THE NEWSPAPER.
ALRIGHT, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.
YEAH, I MEAN, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS.
I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE INTENT BEHIND IT.
NEWSPAPER CIRCULATIONS GOING DOWN AND THERE'S LESS, UH, OPPORTUNITIES EVEN TO, TO PUBLISH THESE WITHIN THE NEWSPAPERS.
I KIND OF WONDER THOUGH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE IMPACT TO NEWSPAPERS? IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF A PRESS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO A FUNCTIONING, UM, YOU KNOW, A FUNCTIONING DEMOCRACY, A FUNCTIONING GOVERNMENT, A FUNCTIONING, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST GENERAL WELLBEING OF THE POPULATION.
SO THIS, THIS PROBABLY WILL HAVE AN IMPACT TO, TO THE PRESS, UM, BY REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF ADVERTISING IN THERE.
SO, UM, I'LL BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT JUST FOR THE REASONS THAT WERE OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT I THINK THERE COULD BE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES TO THE PRESS THAT'S SO IMPORTANT TO OUR, OUR REGION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY POST THAT PASSES WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION? SEVEN TO ZERO.
[13 PB24-0718. UNDERSTORY AND HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS IN SF DISTRICTS]
13, PLANNING BOARD FILE 24 0 7 1 8 UNDERSTORY AND HIGH REQUIREMENTS IN SF DISTRICTS.AND THIS REPORT BEGINS IN PAGE, UM, 151 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES.
SO CURRENTLY, UM, HOMES THAT HAVE AN UNDERSTORY REQUIRE REVIEW BY THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD.
NOW AN UNDERSTORY IS A HOME THAT'S BEEN ELEVATED, UM, ABOVE THE GROUND LOVER.
SO YOU HAVE A USABLE SPACE UNDER YOUR FIRST LEVEL.
UM, TYPICALLY THE DESIGNER REVIEW BOARD NOW REVIEWS HOMES THAT INCLUDE AN UNDERSTORY OR ALSO HAVE A DESIGN WAIVER AND MAY INCLUDE A VARIANCE IF AN APPLICATION ONLY HAS A VARIANCE AND DOESN'T HAVE AN UNDERSTORY, UM, THAT WOULD GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
NOW, WHEN OUR RESILIENCY CODE WAS FIRST ADOPTED, UM, A COUPLE YEARS AGO OR FIRST, UM, CAME FOR REVIEW A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WE HAD DEVELOPED, UM, UM, REGULATIONS WITH THE IDEA THAT THESE UNDERSTORY HOMES WOULD BE REVIEWED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
SO THE REQUIREMENTS ARE PRETTY STRICT IN TERMS OF, UM, UM, THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS,
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YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF OPENING ALONG YOUR, ALONG YOUR FRONT ELEVATION, ALONG YOUR SIDE.ELEVATIONS, WE REQUIRE LANDSCAPING TO BLEED, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE BUILDING.
SO WE HAVE ALL THESE VERY PRESCRIPTIVE REQUIREMENTS TO ENSURE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE SOLID MASS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A THIRD STORY BUILDING.
THE IDEA IS THAT YOU HAVE THIS OPEN AREA, UM, UNDER THE HOUSE TO SERVE AS, UM, FOR, FOR WATER RETENTION OR FOR FOR FLOODING.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT IS INTENDED AS AN AREA THAT THAT CAN ADAPT TO RISING SEA LEVELS WHILE STILL HAVING YOUR, YOUR, UM, ACCESSIBLE AREAS.
UM, YOUR OCCUPIABLE AREAS, UM, ELEVATED.
NOW, UM, THIS ORDINANCE, WHAT WE FOUND OVER TIME IS THAT SINCE IT DOES REQUIRE GOING TO THE, TO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD RIGHT NOW, IT DOES ENTAIL AN EXTRA TIMEFRAME FOR SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO DO AN UNDERSTORY HOME AND SORT OF COULD BE A DISINCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO DO THAT UNDERSTORY HOME BECAUSE OF THE EXTRA, EXTRA TIMEFRAME INVOLVED IN GOING TO THE DRB AS WELL AS THE ADDITIONAL EXPENSE.
NOW THE ADDITIONAL TIMEFRAME IS TYPICALLY THREE OR FOUR MONTHS NOW, UM, ALSO PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD ALREADY FOR AN UNDERSTORY HOME, TYPICALLY SINCE THEY'RE ALREADY GOING TO DRB, THEY MAY THEN ALSO ASK FOR A DESIGN WAIVER SINCE THEY'RE ALREADY GOING ANYWAY.
THEY MAY MAY AS WELL ASK FOR A DESIGN WAIVER.
SO WE BELIEVE BY, BY, UM, BY, BY PLACING THIS BACK UNDER REVIEW BY THE PLANNING STAFF, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA ELIMINATE A LOT OF DESIGN WAIVERS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA PROBABLY GO TO THE DRB JUST FOR DESIGN WAIVER.
THEY'LL PROBABLY DESIGN THEIR HOME TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE UNDERSTORY, UM, THAT REQUIRE.
NOW ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE DOING AS PART OF THIS ORDINANCE IS MODIFYING THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.
WHEN THE RESILIENCY CODE WAS ADOPTED, UM, IT, IT PUT, IT PUT IN STATE, IN, IN PLACE, AND ACROSS THE BOARD, MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF, UM, UM, 31 FEET FOR, UM, FLAT ROOFS AND 34 FEET FOR SLOPE ROOFS, REGARDLESS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT YOU'RE LOCATED IN NOW IN PRACTICE AND STAFF.
AND THE DESIGNER REVIEW BOARD HAS BEEN VERY GOOD AT ENSURING THAT THAT MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS ONLY APPROPRIATE TO THE RS ONE OR RS TWO PROPERTIES THAT HAVE THE LARGEST, YOU KNOW, UM, LOT AREAS.
FOR EXAMPLE, ON, UM, STAR ISLAND OR ALONG AREAS OF NORTH NORTH BAY ROAD OR ON PINE TREE DRIVEWAY, WE HAVE THE LARGE LOTS.
SO, UM, THIS ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE HEIGHTS.
SO IT'S NOT ACROSS THE BOARD THAT STAFF CAN APPROVE THE HIGHER HEIGHT.
THESE HIGHER HEIGHT ALLOWANCES ARE ONLY ALLOWED FOR THE RS ONE, RS TWO PROPERTIES, OR RS THREE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 18,000 SQUARE FEET TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE, THE RS TWO LOTS FOR THE RS FOUR RS FOUR PROPERTIES, THEY ARE LIMITED TO, UM, FOUR FOOT INCREASE IN HEIGHT AT STAFF LEVEL.
ANYTHING ABOVE THAT WOULD BE A VARIANCE.
SO THERE MAY BE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO HIGHER THAN THAT, UM, UM, 28 FEET FOR A FLAT ROOF OR 31 FEET FOR A SLOPE ROOF FOR AN RS FOUR PROPERTY.
BUT IN THAT CASE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THEIR CASE BEFORE THE DESIGNER VIEW BOARD, AND THAT WOULD BE A, UM, A VARIANCE.
SO WE BELIEVE THAT THIS ORDINANCE WILL, UM, FURTHER FOSTER MORE PEOPLE TO DO FLOOD RE FLOOD RESISTANT OR MORE RESILIENT HOMES BY, UM, NOT BY REMOVING THAT ADDITIONAL STEP IN THE DESIGN VIEW PROCESS.
AND WE BELIEVE WE HAVE SUFFICIENT STAFF TO REVIEW THESE HOMES ADMINISTRATIVELY.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE, UM, PLANNING BOARD TRANSMIT THIS ORDINANCE TO THE CITY COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION.
I DO KNOW WE HAVE OUR CHAIRPERSON OF THE DRB HERE, UH, MS. SARAH GILLER NELSON, IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
UM, SO YES, I AM SARAH GIL NELSON.
I HAVE BEEN THE CHAIR FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS AND THREE YEARS PREVIOUS I WAS THE VICE CHAIR.
UM, I HAVE, UH, VERY DEEP ROOTS IN THE COMMUNITY.
IN FACT, I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT THIS MORNING THAT MY FAMILY HAS LIVED ON MIAMI BEACH FOR ALMOST A HUNDRED YEARS.
SO YOU GO TO BEACH HIGH? YES, I DID.
UH, AND I CURRENTLY HAVE TWO AT BEACH HIGH RIGHT NOW.
SO WE ARE VERY INVESTED IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE SUCCESS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE LONGEVITY OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND I TAKE MY ROLE, UM, YOU KNOW, SERVING ON THE BOARD LIKE ALL OF YOU DO VERY SERIOUSLY.
LIKE I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE'RE CONTRIBUTING.
UM, I WAS HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF ADAPTING THIS POLICY, REMOVING THE UNDERSTORY REVIEW FROM THE PURVIEW OF THE DRB.
UM, I WILL SAY THIS, THAT AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE ARE A CITY THAT LOVES OUR DESIGN.
WE ARE WORLD FAMOUS BECAUSE OF IT.
WE HAVE LIFEGUARD STANDS THAT ARE DESIGNED.
WE HAVE OUR SIGNATURE SIDEWALK COLOR THAT IS ONLY HERE IN MIAMI BEACH.
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UM, I'M SURE VERY FEW OTHER CITIES HAVE THAT.IF YOU LOOK AT OUR MANHOLE COVERS, THEY ARE ALSO BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED, INSPIRED BY ART DEGO ARCHITECTURE.
WHY IS THIS? BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS DEMAND IT.
THIS IS WHY VISITORS COME HERE.
AND GOOD DESIGN IS GOOD FOR BUSINESS.
IT INCREASES OUR PROPERTY VALUES, IT INCREASES THE DEMAND.
IT MAKES OUR COMMUNITY VERY, VERY DESIRABLE.
I'D BE WILLING TO ARGUE THAT THE MOST BELOVED COMMUNITIES IN THE COUNTY, MIAMI SHORES KOCH, UM, CORAL GABLES, MIAMI BEACH, HAVE A VERY RIGOROUS DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS BEFORE BUILDING A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD PLAYS A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE IN ENSURING THE HIGH QUALITY OF DESIGN IN OUR CITY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT SO MANY OF US DESIRE.
WHAT MY CONCERN IS WITH THIS, THE ELIMINATION OF THE REVIEW OF THE UNDERSTORY SINCE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WHEN THE STATE GOVERNMENT PREEMPTED ANY CONSIDERATION OF HISTORIC CONDITIONS ON SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THAT HAS BEEN ELIMINATED FROM OUR DOCKET.
OUR DOCKET HAS GOTTEN VERY, VERY, VERY SMALL.
SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE ONE OF THE BIGGEST WAYS THAT WE MAKE AN IMPACT ON WHAT OUR COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE.
AND AGAIN, ENSURE THE HIGHEST OF DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE ALL DEMAND.
THE UNDERSTORY IS AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE THAT IS FAIRLY NEW.
THERE HAVE BEEN MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH ME PERSONALLY, UM, AS WELL AS I'M SURE WITH STAFF, JUST EXPLAINING TO ARCHITECTS AND DESIGNERS, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE NOT NECESSARILY FROM SOUTH FLORIDA, WHAT THIS UNDERSTORY REALLY IS AND HOW IT FUNCTIONS.
IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT VERY MUCH IS BEING WORKED THROUGH.
I CHUCKLE TO MYSELF ALL THE TIME THAT BECAUSE OUR DESIGN STANDARDS ARE SO HIGH, THAT SIMPLY PUTTING, CAN I HAVE SURE, A COUPLE MORE MINUTES.
THAT SIMPLY PUTTING HOMES ON STILTS WOULD NOT CUT IT FROM THE MIAMI BEACH COMMUNITY.
IT'S DEFINITELY NOT SOMETHING THAT ANY OF US WOULD WANT, AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THIS SORT OF UNDERSTORY CONCEPT.
HOWEVER, IT IS SOMETHING THAT OFTEN NEEDS TO BE FINESSED.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO US ON MANY OCCASIONS IS THAT WE, ON THE DRB SEE DESIGNS THAT OF A HOME WITH AN UNDERSTORY, AND THEY APPEAR BECAUSE OF HOW IT'S DESIGNED LIKE A FOUR STORY APARTMENT BUILDING THAT'S PLOPPED IN THE MIDDLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR MAIN PURVIEWS AS WELL IS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
DOES THIS NEW STRUCTURE, UM, IS IT COMPATIBLE WITH ITS NEIGHBORS? WILL IT ENHANCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD? CERTAINLY PLOPPING A BUILDING THAT LOOKS LIKE A FOUR STORY APARTMENT BUILDING AND A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY WITH OLDER HOMES THAT ARE ONLY ONE STORY IS VERY JARRING AND IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
AND ONE OF THE WAYS THAT THE DRB HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN ENSURING THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF DESIGN IN THE CITY IS WORKING WITH ARCHITECTS AND DEVELOPERS TO FINESSE THE DETAILS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE, ALTHOUGH THIS IS A THREE STORY BUILDING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A HOME THAT BELONGS WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND THAT IS REALLY WHERE OUR EXPERTISE LIES.
THAT IS REALLY WHERE OUR SUCCESS LIES.
THE STAFF DOES A FANTASTIC JOB OF CHECKING OFF THE BOXES OF REVIEWING ALL OF THE PROJECTS OF WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE APPLICANT.
AND THEN LIKE YOU, WE GET TO SEE IT ONCE THEY'VE REVIEWED IT AND PERHAPS THEY'RE AT AN IMPASSE.
PERHAPS THEY'VE DONE AS MUCH AS THEY COULD, AS MUCH AS TIME ALLOWS.
AND THEN WE, A BODY OF EXPERTS IN DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURE ARE ABLE TO FINESSE THE DETAILS OR ABLE TO TAKE THIS UNDERSTORY THAT IS NOT SUCCESSFUL AND ABLE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANTS TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL.
IT IS AN ESSENTIAL PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS.
MY CONCERN IS THAT BY ELIMINATING THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE US DONE THAT, EVERYBODY'S GONNA LOSE THAT THE QUALITY OF DESIGN IN OUR CITY IS GOING TO SUFFER.
UM, LET, WHAT I'M ALSO VERY, UM, CONCERNED ABOUT IS, OH, I'LL SAY TOO, AND I WAS JUST HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW OFTEN WE HAVE HAD COMMENTS FROM APPLICANTS, UM, DEVELOPERS, ARCHITECTS SAY TO US, THE ENHANCEMENT THAT YOU WORK WITH US TO MAKE HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY MADE, IMPROVED OUR STRUCTURE.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS CONTRIBUTING POSITIVELY TO THE ENTIRE PROCESS.
UM, I WOULD SAY THIS TOO, I HEAR, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT RESILIENCY IS A VERY IMPORTANT GOAL.
AGAIN, MY FAMILY AND I ARE HERE FOR THE LONG TERM.
WE WANT THINGS TO BE RESILIENT.
HOWEVER, AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE PERMITTING PROCESS SOMETIMES DOES TAKE LONGER THAN PEOPLE WANT IT TO.
WHAT I'M URGING YOU TO CONSIDER IS THAT ELIMINATING THE DESIGN, THIS AS PART OF THE DESIGN PURVIEW, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS AS WELL AS TO CREATE AND STILL MAINTAIN THE HIGH QUALITY STANDARDS OF UNDERSTORY STRUCTURES.
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ONE OF THE WAYS, FOR INSTANCE, COULD BE, I GET THE COMMENT A LOT THAT WE HAVE APPLICANTS THAT COME BEFORE THE BOARD THAT JUST, OR THAT COME TO THE CITY TO GET A PERMIT THAT IS A MINOR CHANGE.MAYBE IT'S A DIFFERENT CHANGE IN THE WINDOW COLOR OR A RAILING COVER.
AND INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THE ENTIRE INTO A QUEUE WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE, WHERE YOU HAVE THE PLANNERS FROM THE CITY NEEDING TO REVIEW, SAY A FIVE STORY BUILDING, IF THERE WAS A SEPARATE QUEUE FOR JUST SMALL SCALE PROJECTS THAT WOULD SPEED UP THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
THIS IS JUST ONE OF MANY IDEAS OF WANTING ALTERNATIVE WAYS THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE THIS GOAL OF MAKING THE PERMITTING PROCESSING FASTER WITHOUT SACRIFICING THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE'VE ALL COME TO APPRECIATE.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO URGE YOU TO NOT, TO NOT RECOMMEND TO THE COMMISSION TO REMOVE THE UNDERSTORY FROM THE PURVIEW OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WELL, IT'S HARD TO FOLLOW SARAH GIL NELSON.
DANIEL SERAL WITH MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION WEEK.
IT'S ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY.
I GREW UP, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, ON ONE OF THE ISLANDS, MY MOM AND MY SISTER NOW LIVE ON THEM.
I CANNOT IMAGINE A HOME RIGHT NEXT TO THEM BEING KNOCKED DOWN NOW UNDER THIS NEW ORDINANCE.
ADMINISTRATIVELY, YOU'VE GOT NO IDEA WHAT'S APPROVED.
YOU'VE GOT NO IDEA WHAT THEIR CONSTRUCTION PLAN IS.
WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR ALL THEIR WORKERS, THE HOURS? YOU HAVE NOTHING IN THE CITY'S RECORDS OTHER THAN AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL TO GO BY.
AND I KNOW SEVERAL OF YOU ARE IN COMMUNITY GROUPS AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL TAKE THIS TO HEART BECAUSE I THINK IT'S WELL INTENDED TO TRY TO STREAMLINE THINGS.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE REALLY DOING IS RE REMOVING ENTIRELY THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD PROCESS.
I WOULD SUGGEST AN ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE NOW THAT UNDER STORIES ARE STILL UNDER DRB, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN UNDER STORY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO DRB, MAKE IT EVEN.
AND SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN UNDERSTORY, YOU ALSO GO TO DRB BECAUSE THE POINT IS HAVING THE NEIGHBORS BE AWARE OF IT.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY MANSIONS ON STAR ISLAND, HIBISCUS PALM, WHERE THE NEIGHBORS LITERALLY THEIR ONLY RIGHT WAS TO GO TO A DRB HEARING.
WE HAD ONE CASE WHERE THEY SAID, YOUR WINDOW SPEC HOME WINDOW IS LOOKING RIGHT INTO MY MASTER BATHROOM.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE STAFF THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA NOTICE IF THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT.
SO WE WOULD SAY TO YOU, JUST LIKE SHE MENTIONED, SOME OF THE CITIES, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE MENTIONED BEVERLY HILLS, PALM BEACH, ALL OF THE HIGH-END CITIES HAVE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, WHICH IS PART OF LIVING IN A HIGH-END HIGH VALUE AREA.
AND YOU WANNA KEEP THAT NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT.
YOU DON'T WANNA SILENCE A RESIDENCE A VOTE FOR, THIS IS A VOTE FOR SILENCING THE RESIDENTS.
ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS? ANYONE IN ZOOM? NO.
BEFORE I FORGET, THERE'S AN APPLICABILITY SECTION THAT THE, UM, THE COMMISSION SPONSOR WERE LIKE INCLUDED TO, TO APPLY FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE THERE MAY BE SOME PEOPLE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW BEFORE THE DRB THAT MAY BE REQUESTING, UM, A HIGHER HEIGHT.
SO WE WANNA HAVE THE PLANNING BOARD INCLUDE THIS APPLICABILITY SECTION, WHICH WOULD SAY THIS ORDINANCE SHALL NOT APPLY TO LANDY SPORT APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE PAID THE INITIAL APPLICATION FEE, OBTAINED A FILE NUMBER AND PRESENTED A PROPOSED DESIGN AT A PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE WITH PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF BEFORE OCTOBER 29TH, 2024.
SO YEAH, SO RECOMMENDING THAT IF THE BOARD TRANSMITS THIS FAVORABLY, THAT THAT, UM, THAT, UM, APPLICABILITY SECTION BE ADDED TO THE ORDINANCE.
SCOTT, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, YEAH, I, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANNA STREAMLINE THE PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, ANYTIME ANYBODY HAS A PROJECT HERE, IT TAKES A LONG TIME.
UM, AND, AND I THINK ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION IS, IS GOOD.
UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, BECAUSE IT'S A RELATIVELY NEW, UM, THING WE MAY BE SEEING MORE OF, UM, I DO THINK IT SHOULD PROBABLY STAY AT THE DRB FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
WHEN I SAY A LITTLE WHILE UNTIL WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE KIND OF SEE WHAT ARCHITECTS ARE PROPOSING, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE, THE DRAWBACKS? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE POSITIVE THINGS WE GET OUT OF IT? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF MOVING FORWARD? AND LET'S SAY AFTER WE GET, UM, I'LL JUST SAY SO MANY OF THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE POINT WHERE THE CITY CAN SAY, OKAY, NOW I KNOW IF WE WERE GONNA MOVE TO, LET'S SAY A YEAR FROM NOW OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW, UM, REVIEW THEM ADMINISTRATIVELY.
WE KNOW WHAT TYPES OF THINGS ARE GONNA BE PROPOSED.
WE KNOW MAYBE WE CAN PUT SOME REGULATIONS INTO TO, UM, UM, ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE SEE
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THAT WE'VE SEEN COMING UP IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, MEANING I'M TALKING LIKE IN THE FUTURE.UM, SO, UM, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S AT IT, IT'S A GOOD TIME.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THESE HOMES WE'VE SEEN BUILT IN THE CITY.
MAYBE YOU CAN LET US KNOW HOW MANY THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN PERMITTED AND BUILT ALREADY.
UH, UM, I THINK WE HAVE PROBABLY AROUND 40 OR SO.
ARE MOST OF THEM ON THE ISLANDS? THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE NOW.
WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THEN, TYPICALLY THAT, TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY THEY STARTED OUT AS RESPONSES TO WATERFRONT HOMES.
THAT'S, AND THEN WE SAW THEM, UM, UM, MORE NOW EVEN IN INTERIOR LOTS.
DO YOU STILL SEE TIMES WHEN, UM, SOMETHING IS GOING IN FRONT OF THE DRB AND IT'S LIKE, OH, THIS IS KIND OF NEW.
THIS, THIS DESIGN IS, IS PUTTING SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT'S WE HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE? AND IT'S SOMETHING WE, I THINK WE'VE SEEN SO MANY, SO MANY VARIETIES NOW, AND I DO THINK THAT, UM, THAT IF WE, IF WE DO GET, COMES WITH AN IMPASSE WITH AN ARCHITECT WHERE WE'RE, UM, THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO MAKE CHANGES THAT WE RECOMMEND AS PART OF, AS PART OF THEIR DESIGN, AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD TAKE THEM TO THE DRB.
SO IF, IF IT'S A, IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER THAT YOU SUBMIT YOUR PLANS AND, UM, YOU AUTOMATICALLY GET APPROVAL.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF WOULD STILL LOOK AT.
IF THE DESIGN IS STILL A BAD DESIGN, WE WOULD SAY YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T MEET THE, UM, THE REVIEW CRITERIA.
AND WE STILL CAN TAKE THEM TO THE DRB OR MAKE THEM, YOU KNOW, MAKE MODIFICATION TO THEIR DESIGN.
SO THAT WOULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION YOU GUYS CAN MAKE IN EVERY INSTANCE.
JUST LIKE RIGHT NOW, IF SOMEBODY COMES FORWARD, YOU KNOW, FORWARD WITH A DESIGN THAT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH OUR CRITERIA, WE DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SAY NO, WE, YOU HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE PLAN, TO THAT, TO THE DESIGN OR ELSE MAKE AN APPLICATION TO THE D TO THE DRB.
SO THEN IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THEN THIS WOULD GIVE STAFF THE, THE RIGHT IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE TO MAKE THEM GO TO DRB, BUT WELL, IF WE CAN'T, IF WE CAN'T APPROVE THEIR DESIGN ADMINISTRATIVELY RIGHT.
THEIR OPTION IS TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO COMPLY WITH OUR DESIGN REVIEW CRITERIA.
BUT IF THEY DID AGREE WITH STAFF, THEN THEY CAN BUY.
SO, SO BASICALLY WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF DISCRETION IN YOUR HANDS IS WE WE'RE REVIEWING, WE'RE REVIEWING ALL THESE HOMES NOW AS PART OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD PROCESS, UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD MAKE THINGS, UM, LESS CUMBERSOME TO REVIEW.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL STILL BE REVIEWING ALL OF THESE AT AT STAFF LEVEL.
IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF THINGS ARE STILL GOING IN FRONT OF THE DRB YOU, IF, IF THIS WAS APPROVED, UM, THE PRO THE APPLICATION WOULD COME TO YOU, YOU'D REVIEW IT, YOU WOULD PRETTY MUCH PUT FORTH THE SAME COMMENTS YOU WOULD AS IT WAS YES.
ONE OF THE DRB, BUT WOULD YOU, WELL, IF THEY DIDN'T AGREE TO ALL OF 'EM, WOULD YOU AUTOMATICALLY SEND IT TO THE DB AT THAT POINT? YEAH, WE, THAT WE SAY IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T COMPLY WITH OUR DESIGN, UM, REQUIREMENTS, THEN YOUR OPTIONS ARE TO COMPLY OR MAKE AN APPLICATION TO THE DESIGN REPORTS FULL COMPLIANCE.
LIKE OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE COMES FOR US WITH A BLANK ELEVATION OR, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, OTHER DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT ARE OUT OF SCALE OR HAS A, HAS A MASSIVE THREE STORY TALL FRONT ENTRANCE PORTICO THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN REVIEW AND WE HAVE IN THE CODE ALREADY, UM, DESIGN VIEW CRITERIA THAT WE COULD USE TO DENY SOMETHING OR TO REQUIRE DESIGN MODIFICATIONS.
SO, SO I'M JUST CLEAR, MICHAEL, SO THIS DOES NOT GIVE ANY, UH, RELIEF TO YOU GUYS OF LESS WORK.
IT'S REALLY JUST FOR THE PROCESS TO BE QUICKER FOR THE ACTUAL YEAH, IT'S NOT REALLY LESS WORK.
IT WOULD BE A LOT, IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE WORK IF WE'RE GONNA DO THE OPPOSITE INTAKE MORE HOMES TO THE DRB, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE MORE STAFF TO GO TO DRB.
UM, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY, IT, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE MAYBE, UM, LESS STAFF TIME AT THE DRB, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN ADMINISTRATIVELY VERSUS GOING TO THE DB, BUT THERE'S STILL THAT FALLBACK WHERE IF THERE'S AN IMPASSE BETWEEN, UM, THE ARCHITECT OR THE OWNER AND STAFF, THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO GO TO THE DRB TO MAKE AN APPLICATION.
HOW, HOW MANY OF THESE HOMES HAVE YOU SEEN THAT YOU HAVE HAD TO SEND TO THE DRB? WELL, NO, THEY ALL, NO, THEY ALL HAVE TO GO TO DRB.
AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE HAD IMPASSE IN THE PAST.
WE HAVE HAD TIMES WHERE WE WE'RE NOT GONNA RECOMMEND IN FAVOR OF THE HEIGHT BEING REQUESTED.
THAT'S WHY WE DID PUT IN SORT OF, UM, LIMITS THE STAFF.
SO YOU HAVE SAFEGUARDS IN THERE.
SO STAFF CAN ONLY APPROVE THESE CERTAIN HEIGHT LIMITS.
IF THEY WANNA GO HIGHER THAN THAT.
NOW THE DRB CAN JUST GRANT THEM, BUT NOW IT WOULD BE ACTUALLY A VARIANCE BEFORE THE DRB FOR THE SMALLER LOTS.
HAVE YOU SEEN ANY DESIGNS THAT YOU JUST COMPLETELY OBJECT TO? I MEAN, TO SARAH, TO SARAH'S POINT, SARAH KNOWS WE'VE HAD, THERE'S BEEN OFTEN DESIGN, UH, UM, PLANS WHERE WE'RE RECOMMENDING A CONTINUANCE MM-HMM.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S WORKED BETTER FOR, FOR EVERYONE.
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OR I THINK IN THE, IN THE END, EVERYBODY HAS, EVERYBODY HAS DONE THE MODIFICATION, MADE THE MODIFICATIONS NECESSARY TO GET THEIR PLANS APPROVED.THERE HAVE BEEN LIMITED, LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THE DRB HAS ACTUALLY DENIED, DENIED THE PLANS, AND THEY HAVE TO START OVER AGAIN.
I THINK IF, IF I MAY, UM, I THINK WHAT THE DRB OFFERS IS ANOTHER LAYER OF EXPERTISE AND TIME TO HAVE ANOTHER SET OF EXPERT EYES REVIEW THE PLAN AND MAKE SURE THAT NOT ONLY ARE THE DESIGN, THE MINIMUM DESIGN CRITERIA BEING MET, BUT THAT WHAT IS BEING PUT FORTH IS THE BEST POSSIBLE SOLUTION FOR THAT PROPERTY.
AND THAT ALSO THAT EXTRA ADDITIONAL EXPERTISE AND VISION AND CONTRIBUTION WOULD BE LOST BY TAKING IT AWAY.
THE STAFF DOES WHAT WE, WHAT WE OFTEN DO IS WE'LL GET A DESIGN THAT NEEDS SOME FINESSING AND THAT MAYBE IN THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE STAFF, THE APPLICANT, THEY'VE REACHED AN IMPASSE OR IT'S STILL NOT REALLY COMING THROUGH AND WE GIVE THEM THAT ADDITIONAL IDEAS, INSIGHT HELP TO CREATE A MORE SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.
AND SO IT'S THAT ADDITIONAL LAYER, WHICH I THINK IS KEY TO, UH, FROM A, A BUILDING THAT'S FINE TO A BUILDING THAT'S FANTASTIC.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE REALLY APPRECIATE AND AN ASPECT OF WHAT RESIDENTS VISITOR IS EVERYBODY WOULD LOVE IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE DO ACTUALLY DO HAVE TWO OTHER CALLERS ONLINE NOW.
UM, THE FIRST IS, UH, MATT AMSTER.
MATT? MATT, ARE YOU THERE? CHECK YOUR MUTE.
YEAH, IT TOOK A LITTLE BIT TO THANK YOU.
UM, WE, UH, REPRESENT, UH, MANY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT DO, UH, GO BEFORE THE DRB AND, UH, ALL I AM HERE TODAY ON THE LIMITED PURPOSE, UM, THE APPLICABILITY SECTION THAT MICHAEL BELU, UH, MENTIONED TO YOU.
UH, A FEW OF OUR CLIENTS ARE IN THAT SORT OF IN BETWEEN STAGE.
SO IF YOU DO GO FORWARD TO RECOMMEND, UH, FOR THIS ORDINANCE TODAY, WE DO ASK THAT YOU INCLUDE THAT APPLICABILITY.
UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THESE ARE HOMES THAT HAVE UNDERST STORIES WE HAD ALREADY PLANNED.
YOU KNOW, IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO DESIGN, UH, UNDER THE RULES IN EFFECT TODAY.
UH, AND SO WE WILL BE GOING TO THE DRB, WE WILL GET THEIR REVIEW AND UH, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FOLLOW THE SAME RULES THAT ARE IN EFFECT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S JUST WE'RE IN THE PIPELINE AND THE, THE CHANGE WOULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE PROJECTS.
THE APPLICABILITY SECTION WOULD BE INCLUDED, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
WHO'S NEXT? WE HAVE ANOTHER CALLER, UM, GLENNON HALL.
I'M PRESIDENT OF THE PINE TREE LAGO, HOA.
UH, WE HAVE BEEN VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT SO MANY OF OUR PRE 1945 HOMES HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED AND REPLACED WITH OUT OF SCALE WHITE BOXES.
WE ARE TOTALLY AGAINST ANY PROCESS BY WHICH THIS APPROVAL PROCESS WILL BE JUST ADMINISTRATIVELY.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT GETS REVIEWED BY DRB FOR COMMUNITY INPUT.
THAT IT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR ZOOM CALLERS.
I MEAN, I JUST, I MEAN, I'M, I'M OPEN TO THE IDEA OF, OF EITHER WAY ON THIS.
I MEAN, I CAME IN THINKING, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA STREAMLINE THE PROCESS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S, UM, I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE, WHAT THE REST OF THE BOARD HAS TO SAY ON THAT.
BUT, BUT ONE OF THEIR QUESTION FOR STAFF, UM, WHAT WAS YOUR REASONING BEHIND, UM, ALLOWING THE RS THREE PROPERTIES WITH A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 18,000 SQUARE FEET TO GO A LITTLE HIGHER AND NOT RS FOUR? I UNDERSTAND THOSE ARE SMALLER LOTS, BUT ARE YOU, IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY ANY LOTS SPECIFICALLY THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP? IS, IS THAT THE REASON THAT'S IN THERE? SO, RIGHT.
SO RIGHT NOW, THE CODE, THIS HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR A LONG TIME, EVEN FOR TRADITIONAL HOMES IN AN R THREE ZONING DISTRICT.
IF YOU ARE, IF YOU ARE OVER A CERTAIN SIZE, UM, ACTUALLY YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAKE AN APPLICATION TO THE, TO THE DESIGN VIEW BOARD FOR A DESIGN WAIVER TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL HEIGHT.
SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD HAS LOOKED AT, STAFF HAS LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF THE SIZE, IF YOU'RE CONSISTENT WITH AN RS ONE OR RS TWO SIZE LOT, THEN IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE, THE HIGHER HEIGHT.
WE FELT THAT THAT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE TO THE RS FOUR LOTS.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE REALLY THE, THE 6,000 SQUARE FOOT SMALL LOTS.
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PUT A COLLECTION TOGETHER, YOU'RE STILL GONNA BE NEIGHBORING SMALL LOTS.WE FELT THAT IN THAT, IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE, IF THERE IS SOMETHING REALLY UNUSUAL ABOUT THAT SITE, THE APPLICANT CAN STILL MAKE AN APPLICATION FOR VARIANCE, WHICH IS A HARDER STANDARD TO MEET THAN VERSUS JUST A DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL.
JUST THEN, C OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THE CODE? UH, IN LIKE, MINIMUM LOT SIZE OR MAXIMUM LOT SIZE BETWEEN RS THREE AND RS FOUR? IT'S, UM, YEAH, IT'S BETWEEN 10 10,000.
RS THREE IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET, AND RS FOUR IS 6,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT'S WHY THE 18,000 SQUARE FEET IS IN THERE FOR RS THREE LOTS.
THAT, THAT YOU WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH AN RS TWO ZONING.
MATTHEW, I WANNA THANK SARAH AND DANIEL FOR SPEAKING AND OTHERS ABOUT THIS.
I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PUBLIC PROCESS, UH, A PIECE OF THAT PROCESS THAT OTHERWISE, UM, UH, MIGHT, MIGHT GO AWAY.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE POINT, MIAMI BEACH IS A WORLD CLASS CITY WITH WORLD CLASS DESIGN STANDARDS AND JUST ANOTHER SET OF EYES FROM FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THE CITY.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF DO AN EXCELLENT JOB OF REVIEWING AND OFFERING SUGGESTIONS.
UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS, HAS BEEN A, A, UH, OBSERVED THE DRV PROCESS, IT DOES MAKE MANY OF THESE PROJECTS BETTER.
AND, UH, I I THINK COMBINED WITH THE RULES ABOUT PRE 1942 BUILDINGS THAT NO LONGER EXIST, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR IMPROVEMENT IS, IS CONTINUING TO, TO GO AWAY.
I, I SUPPORT THE REASONING BEHIND, UM, INCREASING THE RESILIENCE OF THE, UH, THE BUILDING STOCK IN THE CITY.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW, ARE YOU AWARE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, MANY SITUATIONS WHERE, WHERE DEVELOPERS OR HOMEOWNERS WERE GOING TO DO AN UNDERSTORY AND BECAUSE OF THE DRB REQUIREMENT SWITCHED TO A REGULAR ON GRADE OR OR AMOUNT SINCE, SINCE WE FIRST STARTED WITH THE ID, WITH THE CONCEPT OF, OF AN UNDERSTORY HOME, THE CODE HAS ALWAYS REQUIRED DESIGNER REVIEW BOARD.
SO WE'VE NEVER HAD A CASE WHERE IT WAS, IT WAS DONE AT STAFF LEVEL.
SO I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS COMING INTO IT.
THE CODE REQUIRED DESIGNER REVIEW BOARD APPROVAL.
SO NOBODY'S COME TO US AND SAID THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO A HOME BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO DRB.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT JUST ANECDOTALLY, THERE MAY BE SOME, UM, SOME, UM, DEVELOPERS THAT ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, BUILDING HOMES FOR THEMSELVES, JUST FOR THE QUICKNESS OF IT TO AVOID A TIME DELAY OR JUST DO A HOUSE, A HOUSE WITHOUT AN UNDERSTORY.
'CAUSE YOU CAN DO IT IN FOUR MONTHS QUICKER THAN ONE THAT HAS TO GO TO DRB.
SO WHAT IS THE, THE FOUNDATION SITUATION FOR A HOME THAT DOES NOT HAVE AN UNDERSTORY THAT'S BUILT IN 2024? IS IT AT GRADE, IS IT ELEVATED ABOVE THE, THE CURRENT GROUND LEVEL? WELL, SO YOU HAVE A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.
SO, UM, REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER HOME YOU'RE DOING, YOU HAVE TO RAISE YOUR FIRST LEVEL TO BFE PLUS ONE.
SO TYPICALLY THAT ELEVATION, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME OF THE ISLANDS, THE BASEBALL ELEVATION IS, IS EIGHT FEET.
SO YOUR MINIMUM FLOOR ELEVATION IS GONNA BE PLUS NINE FEET AND GBD AND TYPICALLY THE CITY'S STREETS AVERAGE, YOU KNOW, IN THE LOWEST INSTANCES, TWO TO THREE AND A HALF FEET OR SO ON THE ISLANDS OR LOWER AREA BAIN ROAD.
UM, SO YOU DO HAVE A, UM, A BIGGER DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR STREET ELEVATION AND YOUR FIRST HABLE FLOOR IN THOSE LOWER, LOWER LYING AREAS.
AND THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT MORE TRADITIONALLY, UM, WERE MORE, UM, NATURALLY ATTUNED TO HAVE AN UNDERSTORY HOME.
SINCE YOU HAVE TO ELEVATE YOUR HOME SO HIGH ANYWAY, YOU MIGHT AS WELL USE THIS, THIS UNDERSTORY LEVEL.
WE ARE SEEING NOW THAT HOMES THAT, UM, ARE MAYBE IN INTERIOR AREAS OF THE CITY THAT HAVE ALREADY HIGHER STREET ELEVATION, THEY DO HAVE TO ELEVATE THEIR HIGH, THEIR, THEIR FIRST FLOOR HIGHER TO GET A USABLE UNDERSTORY LEVEL.
AND THAT'S WHY WE DO HAVE THE HIGHER, HIGH, HIGHER HEIGHT ALLOWANCE FOR AN UNDERSTORY HOME VERSUS A NON UNDERSTORY HOME.
SO TYPICALLY YOU HAVE TO ELEVATE IT HIGHER THAN BFE PLUS FIVE, WHICH IS THE, THE MAXIMUM ELEVATION WHERE YOU CAN START YOUR HEIGHT.
SO EVEN THOUGH, FOR EXAMPLE, AN UNDERSTORY HOME MAY START AN ELEVATION OF BFE PLUS SEVEN OR EIGHT, WE START THE MEASUREMENT FOR HEIGHT AT BFE PLUS FIVE.
SO JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE ELEVATING THE HOME HIGHER, THERE'S STILL A MINIMUM POINT WHERE YOU HAVE TO MEASURE YOUR HEIGHT FROM.
SO IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T GIVE MORE HEIGHT BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE ADDING MORE TO YOUR FIRST LEVEL.
THERE'S, YOU ARE CAPPED IT WHERE YOU HAVE TO START YOUR,
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YOUR MEASUREMENT FROM.SO UNDERSTORY OR NOT NEW HOMES BUILT TODAY ARE STILL RESILIENT AND STILL ABLE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, STILL HAVE THAT SAME PROTECTION AGAINST, AGAINST, YOU KNOW, NATURAL WEATHER, CORRECT? WELL, YEAH.
YOU HAVE TO BUILD TO AT LEAST BE A P PLUS ONE, BUT OF COURSE THE HIGHER YOU GO THE MORE RESILIENT IT IS, YOU KNOW.
BUT WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, TO A DEGREE AND MAKE SURE IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OF COURSE, YOU DON'T WANNA ALLOW, YOU KNOW, UM, UNDERSTORY HOMES WITH A, WITH A EVEN A 15 OR 20 FOOT, WE TYPICALLY SEE AN UNDERSTORY LEVEL THAT'S, UM, EIGHT TO 10 FEET FOR THE UNDERSTORY.
AND THAT'S FROM THE FIRST, THAT'S FROM THE FIRST LEVEL OF THE UNDERSTORY TO THE, UM, THE, THE TOP OF THE FIRST LEVEL THAT'S HABITABLE.
NOW ALSO, OVER TIME, THE CITY HAS ELEVATED THE MINIMUM, THE MINIMUM ELEVATION FOR YOUR UNDERSTORY.
UM, WE NOW REQUIRE THAT YOU ELEVATE YOUR FIRST UNDERSTORY LEVEL TO THE FUTURE CROWN ROAD.
AND AS PUBLIC WORKS OVER TIME ELEVATES THAT NUMBER THAT THAT BASE STANDARD KEEPS GOING UP.
IT WAS, IT WAS ABOUT APPROXIMATELY FIVE AND A QUARTER FEET N-G-V-D-A FEW YEARS AGO.
SO WE'RE SEEING THAT NUMBER, YOU KNOW, GRADUALLY INCREASE TO, AND WE SEE THIS AS A, UM, AS A ONGOING PROCESS.
THESE, THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT SET IN STONE.
THESE NUMBERS ARE GONNA BE GOING UP ON A CONSTANT BASIS FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
AND I THINK THAT'S A, A GREAT REASON, YOU KNOW, WHY I SUPPORT THIS PROCESS STILL OF GOING TO DRB FOR THE UNDERSTORY.
IT'S, IT'S STILL AN ONGOING PROCESS, EVEN WITH A COUPLE DOZEN HOMES BEING BUILT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EXTRA PUBLIC PROCESS HERE INVOLVED IN THESE IMPORTANT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS IS SOMETHING THAT WE PROBABLY, PROBABLY SHOULD CONTINUE.
JOHN, I, I, I'M SORT OF TORN ON THIS.
UM, I, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MUCH MORE DONE TO STREAMLINE THE, THE ABILITY OF RESIDENTS TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOMES THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH CLIMATE CHANGE AND SEA LEVEL RISE.
AND, AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, NOT WITH, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE RENOVATING A SMALLER SIZE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO DO, HAVE EQUAL ACCESS TO THIS AND NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH A, A REALLY LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS.
ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, IF IT, IF IT GOES BACK AND FORTH, IT CAN TAKE MANY MONTHS.
AND THAT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT'S BEING WASTED AS THAT'S DELAYED.
BUT I, I TOTALLY, I, I HEAR THE COMMENTS BY, UM, THE, THE CHAIR AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS PROCESS.
I'D LIKE TO LEARN SORT OF THE AVERAGE OF HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE THINGS AND, AND TO MAYBE SEE SOME EXAMPLES.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IN ADDITION TO ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS TO STREAMLINE THESE THINGS, WHETHER THEY NECESSARILY NEED TO GO THROUGH A FULL, UM, HEARING OR WHETHER THERE'S SOME, A MORE INFORMAL WAY TO HAVE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEMBERS, PERHAPS HAVE THEM INVOLVED IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.
WE, WE, WE HAD A PROCESS, UM, PROBABLY GOING BACK 50, 20 YEARS AGO, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL REVIEW PANEL.
AND THAT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO ORGANIZE AND OPERATE, AND IT JUST, IN THE END, IT, IT FELL APART AND, AND DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE.
AND THAT'S WHY EVERYTHING MOVED TO THE DESIGNER REVIEW BOARD.
BUT WE DID TRY, TRY THAT, YOU KNOW, PROCESS PREVIOUSLY, WELL, PERHAPS THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CHAIR LIKE THEY HAVE TODAY.
UM, SO I, I GUESS THAT, THAT'S, I GUESS I'M, I'M INTERESTED, I DON'T WANT TO PUSH THIS THROUGH.
UM, AND I ALSO DON'T WANT TO NOT DO THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, I THINK, AND THE COMMISSION IS CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, INDICATED BY SENDING US THROUGH, YOU KNOW, A DESIRE TO MAKE THIS PROCESS EASIER.
AND I THINK FOR MANY, THIS, AN UNDERSTORY IS OUT OF REACH FOR MANY RESIDENTS, AND I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE, IT IS THE FUTURE.
IT IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT NEW HOMES ON MIAMI BEACH ARE GONNA BE LOOKING LIKE, AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE.
AND IF WE WANT TO KEEP MOVING OUR CITY FORWARD, WE HAVE TO DO SOME THINGS TO MAKE THIS PROCESS EASIER.
I'M NOT TAKING AWAY FROM THE PROCESS.
I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
I GUESS I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO THIS.
SO I, I WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMING IS LIKE IN TERMS OF PUSHING IT FORWARD TO THE NEXT COMMITTEE OR THE NEXT, OR THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS SO THAT WE CAN EXPLORE SOME ALTERNATIVES, ALTERNATIVES TO THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO, THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD TO GET A BETTER SENSE.
I, YOU KNOW, I REALLY, ADMITTEDLY, I DON'T HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF, WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH, IF YOU, IF THE BOARD WANTS TO CONTINUE THIS, WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH MORE BACKUP INFORMATION, INCLUDING DESIGNS OF UNDERSTORY
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HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN IMPROVED AND, UM, ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING CONSTRUCTED.I'D ALSO, I ALSO DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, SO THE, THE CURRENT APPLICATIONS THAT WE HEARD THE GENTLEMAN SAY THAT THEY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL FOR THEM TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FOR THE APPLICABILITY? WELL, MATT AMSTER, SO I'LL, THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, UM, SO THE PROPERTIES HE'S REFERRING TO ARE ZONED RS FOUR.
SO RIGHT NOW THE DEER, THE DEER B, CAN GRANT UP TO A HEIGHT OF 31 FEET FOR A FLAT ROOF AND 34 FEET FOR A SLOPE ROOF.
HOWEVER, IT'S UNLIKELY THE DEER B WOULD GRANT THAT HEIGHT FOR AN RS FOUR PROPERTY, AND WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IN FAVOR OF THAT.
BUT THIS APPLICABILITY ALLOWS THEM TO GO TO THE DB AND THEY CAN JUST ASK THIS HEIGHT AS PART OF THEIR DESIGN REVIEW BOARD APPLICATION.
ALTHOUGH WE, WE HAVE TOLD THEM WE'RE NOT GONNA BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS HEIGHT, BUT JUST ALLOW THEM TO GO TO THE DB WITHOUT ASKING FOR VARIANCE.
IF THEY WERE TO FALL UNDER THEIR CURRENT OR UNDER THE PROPOSAL LEGISLATION, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO DB AND ASK FOR A VARIANCE BECAUSE THEY WERE ASKING FOR MORE THAN A THREE FEET IN HEIGHT.
SO THIS JUST ALLOWS THEM TO GO TO DB WITHOUT A VARIANCE, OR THE CURRENT PROCESS WITHOUT A VARIANCE.
ALTHOUGH THEY UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT LIKELY OR MAY NOT BE LIKELY THAT THE DB MAY, UM, GRANT APPROVAL.
OTHERWISE HE WOULD PROBABLY BE IN FAVOR OF THIS.
WELL, I'M SURE HE IS IN, HE'S IN FAVOR OF THE, THE OTHER ASPECTS OF IT GOING FORWARD.
SO WOULD THE BOARD LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS TILL THE NOVEMBER MEETING? WELL, LET'S SEE IF MELISSA AND LIZ, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, SORRY.
UM, LIKE WHAT JONATHAN SAID, JUST ECHO THAT SENTIMENT.
I'M DEFINITELY TORN, UM, OVERALL SIGNIFICANTLY MORE IN FAVOR OF STREAMLINING THE PROCESSES IN THE CITY.
BUT MY CONCERN IS, IF THIS WERE TO PASS THE FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION, AT WHAT POINT IN THE PROCESS DO THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES HAVE A CHANCE TO COME AND VOICE THEIR CONCERNS? I MEAN, YOU MIGHT BE DEALING WITH PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, CAN'T AFFORD TO REDO THEIR HOMES, BUT THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR 50, 67 YEARS, WHATEVER IT IS, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE COME IN BUILDING SAYING THAT'S 30 HAVE TO REALIZE 34 FEET HIGH.
AND THEY CAN'T COME IN TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RUINING MY PROPERTY, OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
SO WE DO HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT WE DO POST THE SITE.
OH, SO I SEE, I SEE THAT FOUR.
BUT BUT THEY'D HAVE TO RELY ON STAFF.
CORRECT? IT'S, IT'S NOT, BUT THERE'S NO JUST LIKE, NOT NOTICE.
THERE'S NO, IT DOESN'T, THE, THE, THE, THE P DEPARTMENT'S NOT GONNA MAKE A CHANGE BASED UPON A NEIGHBOR COMING IN TO LOOK AT A SET OF PLANS.
THIS JUST, THIS JUST NOTIFIES THE NEIGHBORS THAT AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND THEY'RE ABLE TO COME IN AND REVIEW THE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.
BUT THAT DOESN'T GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO, TO COME IN AND SAY, UH, I'M MR. SO AND SO, AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT ME.
WE, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO THAT OUT OUTSIDE OF A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
WE CAN'T NEGOTIATE LIKE THAT WITH, WITH NEIGHBORS.
SO HIS QUESTION IS, WHAT, WHAT RIGHTS DO THEY HAVE? THEY REALLY, RIGHT.
THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO TRANSPARENCY FROM US AND, AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO, WE HAVE TO NOTICE THEM SOME OTHER, THERE HAS TO BE A DIFFERENT WAY.
LOOK, I MEAN, I'M IN FAVOR OF STREAMLINING LIKE Y'ALL ARE.
I JUST THINK THAT, THAT THERE HAS TO BE A, A BETTER WAY TO NOTICE THE PUBLIC BECAUSE, UM, I MEAN, PUTTING IT IN A, LIKE WE DO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE AN IDEA.
I MEAN, I THINK IT REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT OF WAIT, NOT NOTICING IT'S PARTICIPATION.
JUST YEAH, BUT YOU HAVE TO NOTICE SOMEBODY SO THAT THEY CAN PARTICIPATE.
BUT THERE IS THERE GONNA NOTICE SOME, REGARDLESS, THERE IS NOTICE, BUT PLACING BUT PLACING A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY ISN'T, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE GOING UP TO, NO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT THE POINT OF THE ORDINANCE IS, I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY ABOUT NOTICE IT'S ABOUT PARTICIPATION.
THERE'S A NOTICE PROVISION, BUT THERE'S NO PARTICIPATION PROVISION, BUT THERE'S NO PROVISION.
BUT TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT FORM OF NOTICE.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, NOBODY WOULD KNOW IT'S 74 10 ON HARDING THAT THERE'S A, A LIVE WORK IN, I MEAN, LIVE LOCAL PROJECT.
WELL, IS THERE AN ISSUE? WOULD NOTICE HOW IT'S GONNA WORK? IT'S SMALL, IT'S A 70, IT'S, IT'S EIGHT AND A HALF BY 14.
THERE'S JUST A SMALL RED IT, EIGHT AND A HALF BY THAT'S NOT POINT.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE? WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE? AND THIS IS A QUESTION FOR SETH, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO, I I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, EITHER PASS THIS WITH A FAVORABLE OR UNFAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION, BUT IF IT'S WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION, SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WE, OR LET'S SAY UNFAVORABLE WHERE WE WANT TO STAY WITH THE DRB, BUT WE WANT THE DRB TO HAVE A MORE STREAMLINED PROCESS, MEANING THE DRB IS NO LONGER ABLE TO, I, I DON'T KNOW, SUGGEST SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES THAT REQUIRES HIM COMING BACK.
WELL, IT ALSO MAKES IT MORE COMPLICATED TOO.
SO I THINK ONCE YOU PUT MORE, UM, KINKS IN THE WHEELS HERE, IT'S, IT JUST MAY MAKE THINGS MORE COMPLICATED TO THEN START ANOTHER PROCESS THAT'S OUTSIDE OF WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED.
SO I THINK THAT THE COMMISSION SPONSOR WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE, LIKE A DECISION TODAY, UH, RECOMMENDATION TODAY, WHETHER IT'S FAVORABLE OR UNFAVORABLE, I THINK IF YOU WANNA RECOMMEND EITHER WAY, YOU COULD ALSO RECOMMEND ADDITIONAL
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CHANGES BEING INCORPORATED AS PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION.I'M ASKING STAFF WHAT THAT WOULD BE, MEANING AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, JUST FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, I WOULD VOTE TO HAVE, I WOULD, I WOULD VOTE, UH, TO RECOMMEND AN UNFAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION.
BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH STREAMLINING, YOU KNOW, APPLICATIONS IN THE CITY.
SO I'D SAY UNFAVORABLE, BUT CITY STAFF, HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY STREAMLINE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES COMING THROUGH THE DRB FOUR? YOU, YOU CAN'T STREAM, THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS FOR DRB, THERE'S NO, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN STREAMLINE HOMES AS PART OF THE DRB PROCESS.
THERE'S ALREADY THAT PROCESS IN PLACE.
WE HAVE TO SEND, WELL, WE'LL PROBABLY SAVE SOME TIME NOW WITH OUR, OUR NOTICE REQUIREMENTS CHANGES.
SO RATHER THAN HAVING TO PUBLISH, YOU KNOW, 38 DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING, WE CAN PUBLISH SOONER.
SO WE CAN PROBABLY MODIFY OUR DEADLINES A LITTLE BIT BASED UPON THAT.
BUT WE CAN'T HAVE, I THINK A SEP A SEPARATE PROCESS OUTSIDE OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD PROCESS TO COMPLICATE MATTERS FURTHER.
CAN WE LIMIT THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE DRB IS ABLE TO OPINE ON? I MEAN, IS THAT POSSIBLE? MEANING, I DUNNO WHAT THE TECHNICAL LANGUAGE IS RIGHT NOW, BUT THE DRB IS ABLE TO REVIEW AND APPROVE X, Y, Z AND A SINGLE FAMILY UNDERSTORY HOME.
SO INSTEAD OF SAYING THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO REVIEW A, B, C, D, E, FG, IT'S A, B, C OR WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S ALL UNDER THEIR PURVIEW NOW.
SO I'M SAYING MAYBE WE CAN LIMIT IT, BUT THERE'S STILL THAT, THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND, AND OPINION.
SO, SO WHAT IS IT, WHAT ABOUT ADDING A, THIS IS JUST AN IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING A, THIS THIS PROCESS AS OUTLINED IN, IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, BUT ADDING SOMETHING, ADDING A PROPOSAL THAT A NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE EVEN BEEFING UP THE NOTICE PROVISION, UM, ELIZABETH, SO, BUT MM-HMM.
SO THAT IF THERE IS SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WINDOW IS LOOKING RIGHT INTO MY, YOU KNOW, MY WINDOW, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT EITHER, EITHER BEFORE IT GETS TO THE DRB OR AT THE DRB IF IT CAN'T BE WORKED OUT.
BUT I GUESS MY POINT BEING IS PROVIDING AN EXTRA BUFFER SO THAT IF THERE, JUST SO THAT THERE'S NOT, YOU KNOW, AT THAT, AT THAT POINT, YOU'RE GONNA BE DELAY THINGS EVEN FURTHER.
BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THAT, THAT PUBLIC NOTICE, THE, A APPLICANT HAS DONE THEIR PERMIT DRAWINGS AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO THEN GO TO DRB THAT COULD THEN REQUIRE FURTHER CHANGES.
SO THAT PROCESS WOULD PROBABLY DOUBLE THE TIMEFRAME.
I, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT TOO COMPLICATED.
SO I JUST, I JUST MAKING A COMMENT, BUT I JUST THINK WE'RE MAKING IT TOO COMPLICATED.
I, I, I, I THINK WE ALL AGREE IT'S, IT'S A GREAT THING TO FIND WAYS TO STREAMLINE IT AND MAKE THE PROCESS QUICKER.
I THINK IT'S GREAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RESILIENCY ISSUES.
UM, BUT AT THIS POINT THE DEBATE IS IS, YOU KNOW, DOES THIS PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE? AND BEFORE WE, THESE PROJECTS ARE APPROVED, AND IT DOES.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE JUST SPENT, YOU KNOW, AN HOUR DISCUSSING A GROCERY STORE ON, ON WASHINGTON AND HOW IT IMPACTS THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
EVERY HOUSE, I GUESS DESIGN IS A SEMI-PERMANENT BUILDING, AND IT DOES HAVE A HUGE IMPACT, AND THERE'S OTHER WAYS WE CAN FIND TO STREAMLINE WITH IT.
BUT IF WE'RE ADDING ALL THESE KIND OF DETAILS AND CURVES AND WE JUST MAKE IT COMPLICATED BY CHANGING THE PROCESS FOR THE RESIDENTS, AND I'M NOT SURE IT'S SERVING ANY PURPOSE, I THINK WE GOT A PROCESS THAT WORKS.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE IS, IS TIME.
AND THIS IS NOT SEEMING LIKE THE RIGHT WAY TO SAVE TIME.
ANOTHER THING THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, JUST THROWN OUT THERE IS RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A 30 DAY NOTICE REQUIREMENT FOR ALL DRB APPLICATIONS.
ONE THING THAT WE, UM, LOOKED AT IN THE PAST WAS A, A, A REDUCED, UM, NOTICE REQUIREMENT FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF APPLICATIONS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE THROWN OUT THERE, OR MAYBE IT'S PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT AS PART OF, AS PART OF, UM, TO, TO, TO JONATHAN'S POINT.
SO YOU CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING.
SO TAKING THE OTHER SIDE, IF WE PASS IT ON FAVORABLY, ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT CAN, THAT I DO THINK THAT THAT CAN MINIMIZE WAS SAYING THEIR SAYING YOU CAN, CAN I ASK THOSE? I THINK THAT PART OF, LIKE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT TODAY, THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS CHANGES ONCE, IF THE CITY TAKES OVER THIS, THIS, UM, PUBLICATION HAS HAD MORE, HAS MORE CONTROL OVER IT, THEN IT'S EASIER FOR US TO NOTICE SOMETHING FOR TWO WEEKS AND IN 30 DAYS VERSUS HAVING TO SEND A SEPARATE, HAVE A SEPARATE HER AD FOR TWO DB MEETINGS IF IT'S, IF IT'S MORE DONE IN-HOUSE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD LESSEN THE TIMEFRAME FOR REVIEW, BUT STILL REQUIRE DRB.
BUT YOU'RE STILL, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAVING, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE WEEKS VERSUS A LOT STILL HAVING, YOU KNOW, MONTHS TO GO.
IF, IF I COULD ALSO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE DRB, THE HPB, THESE ARE JUST ONE STEP IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
AND PART OF MY POINT WAS THAT I TOO WOULD LIKE THINGS TO BE SPED UP AND, BUT MAYBE LOOKING AT OTHER PARTS OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS TO LOOK FOR EFFICIENCIES AS OPPOSED TO ELIMINATING THE REVIEW BY THESE BOARDS THAT DO CONTRIBUTE VERY POSITIVELY.
THE DRB IS NOT THE ONLY THING BEING PUT IN FRONT OF PEOPLE BEFORE THEY GET A
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PERMIT.THERE'S A LOT THAT HAPPENS BEFORE AND AFTER, BEFORE INSTRUCTION ACTUALLY BEGINS.
SO, SO I, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO, BEFORE, BEFORE WE DO THAT, ACTUALLY THE COMMISSION SPONSOR WOULD LIKE TO COME AND JUST SPEAK ON THE ITEM, UM, IF HE'S GONNA BE IN PERSON OR VIA ZOOM SO WE CAN JUST, I THINK, I THINK HE'S GONNA BE, UH, DIALING IN VIA ZOOM.
UM, HELLO, COMMISSIONER SUAREZ.
CAN YOU EVERYONE HEAR ME OKAY? YES.
I, I'D JUST LIKE TO MENTION THE REASON I'M PUTTING THIS FORWARD IS BECAUSE WE HAVE UNPRECEDENTED FLOOD LEVELS FROM THESE, UH, FROM OUR STORMS THAT ARE, WE'VE HAD THESE A HUNDRED YEAR STORMS BACK TO BACK IN, IN MIAMI BEACH.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO, UH, USE THIS AS A RIGHT OKAY, IS IT REALLY PUTS A DANGER TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN MIAMI BEACH.
YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK WHEN YOU BUILD A A MOUND, UH, AND PUT A HOUSE ON IT, WHAT DOES THAT DO? IF YOUR NEIGHBOR DOESN'T HAVE, UH, HASN'T ELEVATED TO THE PROPER STANDARD, IT, IT, IT'S GONNA FLOOD THEIR HOMES.
AND THAT'S WHY A LOT OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, ESPECIALLY SINCE I'VE GONE DOOR TO DOOR FOR THOUSANDS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, FLOODING HERE HAS BEEN SO BAD EVER SINCE MY NEIGHBORS BUILT THIS HOUSE.
AND THOSE, AND THOSE HOUSES DON'T HAVE AN UNDERSTORY.
SO, YOU KNOW, LOOK, WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, I I, I HAVE CHILDREN, I WANT THEM TO LIVE IN MIAMI BEACH AND I DON'T WANT 'EM GETTING FLOODED.
AND, UH, I THINK THE PREVIOUS GUEST THAT SPOKE, UH, MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST HURT, UH, HURDLES IN, IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS, UH, FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF, OF WAITING ANYMORE WITH, WITH, WITH CLIMATE CHANGE AND SEA LEVEL RISE, PARTICULARLY IN MIAMI BEACH.
SO, UH, I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN MY POSITION ON THIS.
I THINK IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT TIME.
UH, WE'RE HURRICANES ARE ONLY GETTING WORSE A YEAR AFTER YEAR.
UH, SO I, I, I, UH, I, I WANNA THANK EVERYONE FOR TAKING THE TIME AND, UH, AND LISTENING TO ME.
I, I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT INITIATIVE TO BE THINKING OF WAYS ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO BE DEVELOPING THEIR HOUSE AND MAKING THEM MORE RESILIENT.
BUT, UM, I GOTTA SAY, WHEN YOU'RE TAKING ON A NEW PROJECT OF BUILDING A HOUSE THAT'S GONNA BE A THREE YEAR PROJECT, ADDING ON A THREE EXTRA MONTHS IS NOT WHAT IT'S GONNA MAKE IT A, YOU KNOW, DO OR DIE OF THIS, THIS, THIS DESIGN.
YOU EITHER LIKE THE, THE DESIGN AND YOU'RE GONNA GO IN THAT DIRECTION OR YOU DON'T.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THREE MONTHS HERE AND THEN THREE MONTHS ON THE NEXT PERMIT, THREE MONTHS ON THE NEXT THING, THOSE ADD UP.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS NECESSARILY A GAME CHANGER WHERE PEOPLE WILL PULL AWAY FROM A CERTAIN DESIGN BASED ON A DELAY OF THREE MONTHS.
I, I PERSONALLY WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS.
UM, I KNOW THAT THE COMMISSION WANTS AN ANSWER, BUT, UM, I THINK IT, WE OWE IT TO THE PROCESS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT PARTI ALTERNATIVES ARE.
IF, IF WE JUST VOTE THIS DOWN NOW, I WOULD SECOND THAT.
WELL, YOU'RE SAYING IF WE'VE ONLY ASKED STAFF, I MEAN, IT'S WELL INTENTIONED.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE REALLY ANY MIDDLE GROUND? I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T SEE WHERE THERE'S A MIDDLE GROUND.
WHAT, WHAT MORE ARE WE LOOKING FOR? FOR CALLING, I THINK, BUT I THINK EITHER HAS TO BE FAVORABLE UNF FAVOR.
I DON'T SEE WHERE THERE'S, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, I MEAN, HOWSER, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A THREE MONTH PROCESS.
I MEAN, I DON'T, IS IT ACTUALLY A THREE MONTH PROCESS? HOW MUCH DOES IT COST? DO YOU HAVE TO HIRE LAWYERS? IS THAT LIKE A $50,000 THING? IS IT A $20,000 THING? I MEAN, IT, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, HAVING A SENSE OF WHAT, WHAT THIS REALLY, WHAT KIND OF BURDEN THIS REALLY IS.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO HAS AN UNDERSTORY HOME.
I'M SURE I WILL IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND REALLY, IS THIS, IS THIS A PROBLEM THAT WE NEED A SOLUTION FOR REALLY? OR IS IT, OR MAYBE NOT.
I MEAN, UNDER UNDERSTORY HOMES THEMSELVES, THEY ARE MORE EXPENSIVE AND TYPICALLY APPLICANTS TO THE DRB DO HIRE AN ATTORNEY.
UM, SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, KNOWLEDGEABLE OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS OR HOMEOWNERS HAVE HANDLED IT THEMSELVES.
UM, BUT GENERALLY, OF COURSE, IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE.
AND, AND THE, THE BASE FEE, BECAUSE WE CHARGE, UM, THE, UH, A BASE FEE FOR THE APPLICATION PLUS PER SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO THE TYPICAL APPLICATION TO THE DEER B IS GONNA BE 10 TO $12,000 OR UP TO MAYBE 18,
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$20,000 DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE HOME.AND OF COURSE, IT'S NOT REALLY A COST CONCERN IF YOU'RE AROUND STAR ISLAND, BUT SMALLER HOMES, YOU KNOW, WE ARE SEEING MORE OF THESE UNDERSTORY HOMES AND SMALLER LOTS.
SO THAT WOULD BECOME A LARGER PERCENTAGE OF COST, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE SMALL PROPERTIES.
SO, SO I, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONCERN WITH THE COST THERE AND THAT, ESPECIALLY FOR THE SMALLER, SMALLER HOMES, ISN'T THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE TACKLED ON A SEPARATE, UM, YOU KNOW, A SEPARATE POLICY DECISION IF THAT IS A COST COST ISSUE? WELL, IT'S ALSO A MATTER OF TOO, OF LIKE ALL THESE, ALL THESE HOMES REQUIRE STAFF REVIEW MM-HMM.
SO IT'S A MATTER OF WHO'S GONNA SUBSIDIZE THE REVIEW, WHO'S SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY FOR THESE APPLICATIONS.
SO IF THE APPLICANT ITSELF IS NOT PAYING FOR IT, THEN THE REST OF THE CITY IS PAYING FOR THE APPLICATION.
AND IT WAS SUBSIDIZING, IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS TYPICALLY EACH OF THESE HOMES WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE OR TWO PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS WITH THE APPLICANT, AND THEN WE HAVE AT LEAST TWO SUBMISSIONS THAT ARE REVIEWED BEFORE WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO THEN REVIEW AND PREPARE STAFF REPORT.
SO THERE'S LOTS OF STAFF TIME INVOLVED IN THE PREPARATION BEFORE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE DRB.
BUT THIS ALL WOULDN'T BE ELIMINATED, WOULD IT? IF YOU WERE REVIEWING ADMINISTRATIVE? IT'D BE DONE AS PART OF THE, IT'D BE THE FEW WOULD BE ELIMINATED.
THE FEW WOULD BE, IT'D BE AS PART OF THE, IT'D BE DONE AS PART OF OUR, UM, BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS.
NOW IT WOULD REQUIRE MORE STAFF TIME AT THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S FRONT LOADED.
BASICALLY IF WE HAVE A HOME THAT'S GONE TO DRB, IT'S BEEN EVALUATED BY STAFF FOR ZONING DESIGN.
SO WHEN IT COMES FOR BUILDING PERMIT, THAT'S A QUICKER BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW GENERALLY COMPARED TO A HOME THAT DID NOT GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
SO, SO AGAIN, I'M GONNA ASK YOU ALL THE STAFF, I MEAN, IS WHAT, IF WE CONTINUE AT WHAT BENEFIT IS THAT? OH, I, I THINK NO BENEFIT EXCEPT FOR PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION.
BUT I, I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE, UH, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE TIME AT DOING THAT.
DID THE LAND USE THE LAND USE TO SUSTAINABILITY BOARD? UM, THEY RECOMMENDED IT WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMEND RECOMMENDATION.
DID THEY CONSIDER ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, THEY, YEAH, THEY RECOMMENDED THE BOARD TRANSMIT THIS WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
AND A BIG PART OF THAT DISCUSSION WAS THAT IF YOU DON'T SEEK, UM, AN UNDERSTORY NOW, UM, THAT YOU'RE STILL REQUIRED TO RAISE A HOME TO, TO MINIMUM BLOOD ELEVATION.
SO THAT OFTEN REQUIRES BRINGING IN A LOT OF FILL AND, AND, AND BUILDING A HOME ON, ON A BERM, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT, WHAT THE, WHAT THE SPONSOR, UM, ADDRESSED DURING HIS COMMENTS.
IT WAS A BIG TOPIC OF CONCERN FOR THE LAND USE COMMITTEE, BUT THE LAND USE COMMITTEE ALSO DISCUSSED ISSUES OF, OF, UM, OF NOTICE, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE RAISED TODAY.
I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, I THINK YOU SHOULD VIEW THIS AS, AS, AS ONE OR THE OTHER.
IT'S EITHER THESE ARE GOING TO BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY OR THEY'RE GONNA REQUIRE DRB REVIEW.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A THIRD OPTION.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN HEIGHT BETWEEN A HOME WITH AN UNDERSTORY VERSUS A STANDARD HOME THAT COULD BE BUILT WITHOUT AN UNDERSTORY? IT COULD BE UP TO THREE FEET TALLER, THREE TO FOUR FEET TALLER, THREE TO FOUR FEET TALLER.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S, AND THAT, AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS FOR THE UNDERSTORY.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT TO GAIN MORE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT IN THE LIVING SPACES, IT'S TO GAIN, UH, USABLE UNDERSTORY LEVEL.
YOU KNOW, INITIALLY BACK WHEN WE FIRST HAD UNDERSTORY HOMES, WE HAD A HEIGHT OF, UM, SEVEN AND A HALF FEET FOR AN UNDERSTORY LEVEL.
THAT REALLY IS NOT A NICE USABLE SPACE FOR UNDERSTORY.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE DID RAISE THE HEIGHT TO HAVE A MORE USABLE UNDERSTORY LEVEL, NOT JUST A, A DARK AREA UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE.
I, I GUESS, AND PART OF, EXCUSE ME ONE SECOND.
I'M, I'M BEING TOLD, IS THERE SOMEONE ON ZOOM, I'M BEING TOLD THAT SOMEONE'S TRYING TO GET ON ZOOM AND THEY, I'M SORRY.
WE HAVE TWO CALLERS NOW ON ZOOM.
IF YOU WANNA, IF YOU WANNA ONE SECOND.
HOW ARE YOU?
I'M VERY GRATEFUL, UH, FOR GIVING MY OPINION, AND I LIVE IN THE FLORIDIAN BUILDING.
UH, I BELIEVE THESE CHARMING NEIGHBORHOODS HAS A POTENTIAL FOR ELEVATION AND REFINEMENT BENEFITS, BENEFITING US ALL AS A RESIDENT WITH A TOTAL SOPHISTICATION.
IT IS TIME FOR MIAMI BEACH TO THE PARK FROM THE OUTAGE, SEVENTIES AND 80 EIGHTIES, UM, AESTHETICS AND EMBRACE SOME MORE EXCLUSIVE ATMOSPHERES.
WHAT ISTI IS? WE WE CAN CONTINUE STILL ICONIC CHARMS. MA'AM.
DEBORAH, WHICH ITEM ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ON THE, THAT AGAIN.
WHICH ONE? YEAH, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT YOU MEAN? IS IT 1, 2, 5, UH, 12? NO, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S NEXT.
I DIDN'T THINK YOU WERE ON THE RIGHT ONE.
THAT'S, IF YOU COULD CALL BACK IN.
YEAH, THAT'LL BE THE NEXT ITEM TAKEN UP.
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OKAY.YEAH, JUST CALL BACK ON THE NEXT ITEM.
SO WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY, UM, NAMED, UM, FRED.
YOU THERE? FRED? CHECK YOUR MUTE BUTTON.
IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE.
YEAH, LISTEN, I, UM, UH, HAVE HAD A, SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THIS UNDERSTORY.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE UNDERSTORY, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WAS, UH, ORIGINALLY SUGGESTED BY THE COMMITMENT STAFF, UH, IN ORDER TO, UH, YOU KNOW, COMBAT, UH, GLO, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, CLIMATE CHANGE.
AND TO LEAVE IT IN THE HANDS OF DRB, UH, FIRST OF ALL MAKES IT VERY CONFUSING AND FRED SCHEME GET IT.
HEY, FRED, FRED, WE LOST YOU AFTER YOU SAID IT'S CONFUSING IN DRB, SO WE LOST YOU.
SO IF YOU COULD KEEP GOING FROM THERE.
UM, HEAR ME AGAIN? NOW WE CAN HEAR YOU.
SO, UM, YEAH, YOU KNOW IT TO, TO GO TO DRB FOR SOMETHING THAT THE STAFF AND COMMISSION, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WERE THE ORIGINATORS OF, I THINK IS REALLY AN OVERKILL.
UH, IT TAKES FOUR MONTHS TO GET INTO DRB, AND IF YOU GO INTO DRB AND THEY DENY IT, UH, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK TO STAFF AND THEN STAFF WILL HAVE TO SEND IT BACK TO DRB.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DELAYING PEOPLE BY, BY POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, FOUR TO EIGHT MONTHS.
IN THE MEANTIME, THEY HAVE CARRY COSTS, THEY HAVE INSURANCE COSTS, THEY HAVE TAXES THAT THEY HAVE TO, WITH, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE, IF WE TRULY ARE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO CREATE RESILIENCY, THEN, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS ALREADY PUT ON THE TABLE.
I, I JUST DON'T SEE WHY DRB NEEDS TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS.
THEY, THEY ORIGINALLY WERE NOT INVOLVED IN IT AND FOR SOME REASON IT GOT PUSHED OFF TO THEM.
AND I'VE SPOKEN TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON DRB AND THEY DON'T EVEN WANT IT.
SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW, UH, I, I'M SORRY I'M GONNA SINGLE OUT MS. GELLER, BUT WHEN MS. SKILLER TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WELL, YOU'LL BE TAKING AWAY SOME OF THE POWER OF THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT ABOUT POWER.
THIS IS ABOUT HOW TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF MIAMI BEACH AND HOW TO MAKE THINGS EASIER.
YOU KNOW, WE, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS UPSIDE DOWN.
UH, YOU KNOW, ADMITTEDLY, SO THERE ARE MANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE UPSIDE DOWN, ADMITTEDLY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T ABOUT POWER.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THE PROCESS ALONG AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BECOME THE CITY OF NO.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE MUCH BETTER PROCESSES, THEY DON'T DO THIS KIND OF STUFF, YOU KNOW, THIS IS TENS AND TENS AND TENS AND TENS AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THAT WERE CAUSING PEOPLE OKAY.
BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE OF ALL THESE DELAYS.
SO I WOULD REALLY URGE YOU TO VOTE TO SEND THIS BACK TO A STAFF LEVEL AND TAKE THIS AROUND D UH, AWAY FROM DRB BECAUSE DR B'S GOT PLENTY OTHER THINGS TO DO.
ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, CLOSING IT, TOM.
UM, I WAS FOLLOWING THE, THE DISCUSSION AND I JUST WANTED TO, TO COME UP HERE AND, AND SAY A FEW THINGS.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE, ARE STRUGGLING WITH THIS AND IT'S, IT IS A DIFFICULT ITEM.
UM, HISTORICALLY, AND I THINK MICHAEL WENT OVER THIS, UM, THE UNDERSTORY HOMES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE DRB.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR CONSULTANT RECOMMENDED WHEN THEY WERE DRAFTING THE RESILIENCY CODE IN 2022 AND STAFF RECOMMENDED THE COMMISSION IN 2022, WAS THAT THE REVIEW OF UNDERSTORY NOT BE MANDATED FOR DRB REVIEW.
AND THE REASON THAT BOTH OUR CONSULTANT RECOMMENDED THAT, AND STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT WHEN THE RESILIENCY CODE WAS PROPOSED IN 2022 AND 2023, IS THAT IN OUR EXPERIENCE, PARTICULARLY ON A COASTAL CITY LIKE MIAMI BEACH, UNDERSTORY HOMES ARE A FAR SUPERIOR NEW BUILDING TYPOLOGY.
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HOMES THAT ARE NON UNDERSTORY ARE MORE SIGNIFICANTLY ELEVATED, THAT'S NOT THE MOST RESILIENT WAY TO DO A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME.AND SO WE'VE SEEN OUTSTANDING EXAMPLES OF UN UNDERSTORY HOMES THAT ARE ACTUALLY, UM, NOT JUST MORE CONTEXTUALLY COMPATIBLE, BUT ALSO PROVIDE A MUCH BETTER ALTERNATIVE FOR NEIGHBORS THAT ARE CURRENTLY LOWER.
BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME WILL LIKELY EITHER HAVE TO RAISE THE HOME OR, OR BUILD A NEW HOME.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS THAT I, I DON'T THINK IT WAS STAFF'S INTENT OR THE LAND USE COMMITTEE'S INTENT TO DISCOUNT THE ROLE OF THE DRB.
THEY'VE ALWAYS PLAYED A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ROLE IN DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY.
AND IN TERMS OF COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.
AND IF HOMEOWNERS WANT TO SEEK A WAIVER FROM THE DRB, THEY CERTAINLY WOULD BE ABLE BE ABLE TO AVAIL THEMSELVES TO THIS.
BUT JUST LIKE WE HAD RECOMMENDED IN 2022, THE PRIMARY REASON FOR RECOMMENDING THAT, UM, DRB REVIEW NOT BE MANDATORY FOR UNDERSTORY IS TO ENCOURAGE THIS TYPE OF TYPOLOGY.
BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF THE PROCESS AND THE TIME INVOLVED WITH GOING TO DRB, WE HAVE HAD INSTANCES WHERE HOMEOWNERS HAVE JUST DECIDED, I'M GONNA GO WITH THE OTHER OPTIONS SO I DON'T HAVE TO GO TO DRB.
AND SO I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
THE SPONSOR DID INDICATE THAT, UM, REGARDLESS OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION, HE WOULD LIKE THIS TRANSMITTED TO THE COMMISSION BECAUSE HE'D LIKE TO GET THIS BEFORE THE COMMISSION, UM, FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION IN NOVEMBER.
UM, MICHAEL, UM, YOU, FOR THE DESIGN OF NEW, UM, UNDERSTORY BUILDINGS, THE CITY HAS GUIDELINES OR ARE THEY, ARE THEY, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? REGULATIONS VERY LOOK AT YOU.
LOOK ON PAGE, UM, 1 58 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES.
YOU SEE A WHOLE, WHOLE HOST OF UNDERSTORY REQUIREMENTS AND UNDERSTORY STANDARDS IN THE, IN THE, UM, YOU SAID ABOUT YOU, WE'VE SEEN ABOUT 40 OF 'EM IN THE CITY.
I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST ONES NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT WAS RIGHT UP THE ROAD HERE ON MERIDIAN, JUST NORTH OF DAY BOULEVARD.
I THINK, I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS APPROVED BEFORE WE HAD THE UNDERSTORY STANDARDS IN PLACE.
UM, I, I GUESS THE, THE, THE, UM, THING I'M STILL DEBATING, UM, IS, AND YOU MENTIONED ALSO EARLIER THAT WE'RE SEEING MORE OF THESE NOW ON SMALLER LOTS ON THE INTERIOR LOTS, NOT SO MUCH ON THE ISLANDS OR ON THE, ON THE LARGER LOTS.
AND THAT WAS MY, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY WE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SEEING FEWER ON THE LARGER LOTS OR FEWER ON THE ISLANDS, BUT MORE WE'RE INCREASING ON THE INTERIOR LOTS.
WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T SEE THESE HOMES ON INTERIOR LOTS 'CAUSE THEY WERE ACTUALLY PENALIZED BY HEIGHT.
UM, ONCE THE RESILIENCY CODE WAS ADOPTED TO REMOVE THAT, THAT PENALTY.
NOW WE ARE SEEING SOME, UM, MORE HOMES ON THESE INTERIOR LOTS.
UM, YEAH, I'M JUST, I'M, I'M STILL TORN WITH IT BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, I STILL BELIEVE THAT ON THESE INTERIOR LOTS, IT'S A, IT'S A RELATIVELY NEWER TYPE OF, UM, JUST, JUST ADD ONE, DESIGN 1.2 THAT THE STANDARDS I MENTIONED WERE RI THOSE WERE ORIGINALLY WRITTEN WITH THE IDEA OF STAFF REVIEW.
IF, IF WE HAD ORIGINALLY THOUGHT THAT ALL THESE UNDERSTOOD HUB WERE GONNA GO TO DRB, WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SO STRICT WITH THE STANDARDS, WE WOULD'VE BEEN MORE OPEN WITH THE STANDARDS.
'CAUSE IT IS, IT IS A TEDIOUS PROCESS.
NOW REVIEWING WITH THE DRB, IT'S JUST, UM, 'CAUSE IT'S VERY PRESCRIP, IT'S VERY PRESCRIPTIVE.
IF YOU DON'T COMPLY WITH THIS REQUIREMENT, THEN YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR VARIANCE OR, OR DO SOMETHING ELSE.
SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT WE DO HAVE VERY STRICT STANDARDS IN HERE THAT WOULD APPLY NOW FOR, UM, STAFF LEVEL REVIEW.
AND, UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, ARBITRARY OR, UM, UNDEFINED.
MICHAEL QUESTION, IS THERE ANY, UM, WAY YOU CAN THINK OF THAT IF WE WERE TO, 'CAUSE I AM TORN, BUT I I'M LEANING IN FAVOR OF IT TO DEFER TO STAFF AND, AND YOUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT TO ADD A, A THOUGHT OF SOMEHOW GETTING NEIGHBOR PARTICIPATION IF REQUIRED, LIKE THEY COULD COME, YOU CAN PROVIDE YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND THEN ADD THAT AS A, UM, ANOTHER NOTE LIKE SOME METHODOLOGY WHERE AN AFFECTED NEIGHBOR COULD COME MEET WITH YOU ALL.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO, UM, MAKE CHANGES TO THE, THE PLANS BASED UPON MEETING WITH A NEIGHBOR.
I DUNNO IF TOM, IF YOU WANNA PROVIDE, YEAH, THE ONE THING I WOULD MENTION MR. CHAIR, IS THAT IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, THERE'S ACTUALLY AT THE DIRECTION OF THE LAND USE COMMITTEE, A POSTING PROVISION WAS PROVIDED WHERE THESE TYPES OF HOMES WOULD BE POSTED.
SO A NEIGHBOR WOULD KNOW, RIGHT, THAT THIS TYPE OF HOME WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED.
BUT THEN THEY WOULD HAVE NO, LIKE NO BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEN THEY WOULD ABLE, ABLE TO JUST BE LABOR THE PROCESS.
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COULDN'T THEY MODIFY MEANING WE'RE NOT LOOKING, LOOKING TO, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO HOLD PROCESS COMING STAFF A RECOMMENDATION OR SOMETHING.WELL, THE THOUGHT BEHIND THEY CAN SAY AGAIN, MY, MY MASTER BEDROOM IS HERE AND THIS WINDOW IS LOOKING IN.
THE THOUGHT BEHIND THE POSTING WAS THAT THE POSTING WOULD BE REQUIRED BEFORE THE BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED.
AND THAT WAY IF A NEIGHBOR SAW IT AND HAD A CONCERN, THEY COULD REACH OUT TO THEIR NEW NEIGHBOR AND SAY, HEY, I'VE GOT THIS CONCERN.
AND THEN THEY COULD TRY TO WORK THAT OUT.
CERTAINLY IF THEY WANTED TO ADVISE OF THEIR CONCERNS WITH STAFF, WE COULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE COULDN'T VETO IT OR REQUIRE THAT THEY MAKE CHANGES THAT ARE CONTRADICTORY TO THE CODE.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
BUT IF THEY DON'T FULLY AGREE WITH ALL OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION, CAN YOU CAN REFER THEM TO DRB MANDATORILY? YES.
THEY DON'T ALL, WE ALL KNOW THE FACTS, SO WE JUST HAVE TO VOTE.
LEMME JUST MENTION ONE MORE THING AND THIS IS, UM, 'CAUSE IF THIS PASSES YOUR WORKLOAD WOULD GO WAY DOWN.
SO I'M GONNA MAYBE ADD SOMETHING.
MAYBE THE POSTING, ACTUALLY NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S CORRECT.
THEY'RE STILL REVIEWING EVERY APPLICATION.
WELL, I, AS FAR AS PREPARING FOR THE BOARD MEETINGS, UM, OKAY.
AND, AND, AND ANYTHING MAYBE THAT IT'S AFTER THAT, BUT WHAT IF IN THOSE POSTINGS, IT, AND THIS, YOU KNOW, TELL ME HOW YOU FEEL.
BUT IN THOSE POSTINGS IT SAID I'M, UH, JUST LIKE A BOARD MEETING ON THIS DAY AND TIME OR YOU KNOW, A A A MAYBE THE AFTERNOON, A THREE HOUR TIMEFRAME OR SOMETHING.
ANY AFFECTED PARTY CAN COME INTO THE OFF PLANNING STAFF OFFICE, UM, REVIEW THE PLANS, MAKE COMMENTS TO STAFF AND, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS THEY HAVE.
I, I THINK WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, ALRIGHT GUYS, WE, TOM, LAST THING AND THEN WE GOTTA VOTE.
WE DON'T, JUST, JUST IN RESPONSE TO THAT, MR. DIELEMAN, CERTAINLY IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME IN AND REVIEW THOSE PLANS AND MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH STAFF, THEY CAN DO THAT.
IT'S PROBABLY BETTER JUST TO LET THEM MAKE AN APPOINTMENT AS OPPOSED TO CREATE A SPECIFIC TIMEFRAME'S, THE 'CAUSE A OF PEOPLE IN THE SEE THOSE POSTINGS AND THEY JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THEY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SAYS IN THERE, BUT MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE MORE EXPLICIT IF YOU WANNA REVIEW THE PLANS.
WELL, YOU COULD CERTAINLY RECOMMEND THAT THE POSTING INCLUDE LANGUAGE SPECIFIC TO A PLACE WHERE, UM, AN AFFECTED PERSON CAN COME REVIEW THE PLANS.
OR MAYBE IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND MAYBE POSTED ONLINE.
'CAUSE IT'S GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA BE PLANS THAT WE HAVE.
IF IT'S GONNA BE IN FOR PERMIT, IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT THE BUILDING ANYTHING TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO A, YOU KNOW, A JOINT PROPERTY OR ANYONE INTERESTED, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT AND GO SEE THE PLANS AND ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PLEASE NOT MAKE A MOTION, MOVE IT FAVORABLY TO THE COMMISSION WITH ANY SUGGESTION.
UM, I'M FINE WITH, WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S IN HERE.
I MEAN, THEY'VE OBVIOUSLY DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.
WE HAVE A MOTION OF A SECOND? I, NO, SECOND.
I'LL, I'LL DO A ROLL CALL FOR THIS.
SO THIS IS, UH, UM, WOULD BE FOR A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION AS DRAFTED.
MR. NEEDLEMAN, I'M GONNA VOTE YES JUST BECAUSE, UM, I I I THINK STREAMLINING THE PROCESS GOES, GOES IS, IS IMPORTANT.
NOW A ROLL CALL IS JUST YES OR NO, MR. ELIAS.
SO THAT PASSES A FOUR TO THREE WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION? YES.
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TO FOUR, I BELIEVE 14 AND 15 ARE COMPANION ITEMS. PLANNING BOARD 24 0 7 0 3.AND PLANNING BOARD 24 0 6 9 8.
UH, WEST AVENUE, ALTON BEACH, BAYFRONT OVERLAY DISTRICT AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE NEXT ITEMS TOGETHER AND THIS, UH, STAFF REPORT FOR US BEGINS ON PAGE 1 61 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES, NOT JUST FOR AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS BECAUSE IT DOES INCLUDE AN FAR INCREASE.
IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME SIX STEP PROCESS THAT WE MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT THE WASHINGTON AVENUE, UM, INCENTIVES ARE GOING THROUGH.
THIS IS THE, THE FIRST STEP IN THE, IN THE PROCESS.
AFTER THIS MEETING, THERE WILL BE A COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETING FOLLOWED BY A SECOND PLANNING BOARD MEETING, THEN A CITY COMMISSION REVIEW, ANOTHER COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETING, AND THEN ULTIMATELY A, A FINAL ADOPTION HEARING IF THAT'S THE CASE BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION.
SO THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES, UM, A NEW ALTON BEACH OVER FROM OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD AMEND THE RM THREE DEVELOPMENT
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REGULATIONS, UM, SPECIFICALLY TO THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT ONE 12, I'M SORRY, 1250 WEST AVENUE.THIS WOULD INCLUDE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A LUXURY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING APPROXIMATELY 180 RESTAURANT SEATS AND A HUNDRED, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
THIS INCLUDES AN INCREASE IN THE MAXIMUM FAR OR FLOOR AREA RATIO FROM 2.75 UP TO 8.53, AS WELL AS A BUILDING HEIGHT INCREASE FROM 150 FEET TO 4 35 FEET.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO MODIFY CERTAIN SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
THESE MODIFICATIONS ARE LISTED ON PAGE 1 65 AND 1 66 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES.
THIS INCLUDES A, A CHART SHOWING WHAT'S REQUIRED, WHAT'S PROPOSED, AND THE DIFFERENCE COMPARED TO, UM, WHAT THEIR CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE RIGHT NOW.
ON PAGE 1 66, WE PROVIDED A SUMMARY OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED FAR AND HIGH BONUSES.
THIS INCLUDES AS PROPOSED AN FAR BONUS OF 1.0 FOR NOT EXCEEDING A DENSITY OF 55 APARTMENTS PER ACRE.
A FAR BONUS OF 0.5 FOR EXECUTING A COVENANT PROHIBITING SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND PERPETUITY ON THE PROPERTY.
AN FAR BONUS OF 1.25 FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF A BAY WALK EXTENSION AT THE BAYVIEW TERRACE CONDO.
AN FAR BONUS OF 1.0 FOR OBTAINING A BUILDING PERMIT WITHIN FIVE YEARS.
AN FAR BONUS OF 1.25 REDEVELOPING THE PROPERTY ON THE EAST SIDE OF WEST AVENUE WITH A PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE AND A BUILDING HEIGHT BONUS OF 285 FEET ABOVE THE CURRENT MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 150 FEET FOR A PROJECT THAT IMPLEMENTS ALL THE ABOVE BONUSES, ALLOWING FOR MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 4 35 FEET.
THE PROPOSAL ALSO INCLUDES AN ADDITIONAL 10% FAR BONUS VIA THE TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, POTENTIALLY RESULTING IN A MAXIMUM FAR OF 8.53.
NOW WE NOTED IN OUR REPORT THIS, THIS WOULD BE A, UM, INCREASE FROM THE MAXIMUM SIZE CURRENTLY ALLOWED OF 228,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE AN INFRASTRUCTURE ANALYSIS AND MASTERING STUDIES AS PART OF THEIR A APPLICATION.
NOW WE ALSO NOTED THAT THE APPLICANT DID REFERENCE THE, UM, THE NEARBY, UM, WAVERLY CONDO AS A COMPARISON SITE.
SO FOR THAT REASON, WE DID PROVIDE A, UM, COMPARISON OF THIS PROPOSAL WITH THE WAVERLY SITE.
AND THIS COMPARISON CAN BE FOUND IN PAGE 167 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES.
THE, UM, THE WAIVER LEASE SITE HAS A HEIGHT RANGING FROM 279 FEET TO 3 3 4 FEET VERSUS THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL OF 4 35 FEET.
THE FAR FOR THE WAIVER LEASE SITE IS 4.2 VERSUS WHAT'S PROPOSED OF 8.53.
UM, NOTABLY AS WELL THE TOWER SETBACKS, UM, FOR THE WAVERLY SITE AS WELL AS WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES, THE WAVERLY AND THE CODE REQUIRE AT LEAST 50 FEET AND THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING A TOWER SETBACK OF 26 FEET ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE.
WE ALSO NOTED THAT THE, UM, THE WAVERLY HAS A FRONTAGE OR A, A WIDTH OF THEIR TOWER THAT RANGES TO 60 FEET TO 90 FEET VERSUS 180 FEET PROPOSED 148 FEET PROPOSED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT SITE.
NOW, WE DID NOTE IN OUR REPORT THAT WHILE WE DO BELIEVE THAT CERTAIN BONUSES AS PROFFERED BY THE APPLICANT MAY BE APPROPRIATE, WE DO BELIEVE THAT COLLECTIVELY THE RESULT IN AN OVER SALE PROJECT THAT IS HOSTILE TO ITS SURROUNDINGS, WE BELIEVE ANY BONUSES SHOULD BE COMMENSURATE WITH THE ACTUAL BENEFIT AND SHOULD NOT RESULT IN A PROJECT THAT CREATES AN IMBALANCE WITH THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT.
IN TERMS IN TERMS OF SCALE, MASS AND BUILDING HEIGHT, WE DID PROVIDE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN OUR REPORT IN TERMS OF, UM, THE BONUSES WHILE RECOMMENDING, UM, NO CHANGE TO THE, UM, REQUIRED SETBACKS, UM, BECAUSE THE, UM, WE ARE, WE'RE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE TOWER WIDTH OF 148 FEET.
SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE EXISTING SETBACKS, WHICH WOULD ALLOW A, UM, A WIDTH OF 100 FEET OR MORE APPROPRIATE, ESPECIALLY AT THE HEIGHT THAT'S BEING CONTEMPLATED, WE'RE ALL RECOMMENDING THAT THERE BE NO BONUS FOR, UM, THE REDUCED BEN, THE REDUCED DENSITY AND ALSO NO BONUS FOR OBTAINING A BUILDING PERMIT WITHIN FIVE YEARS.
TYPICALLY PROJECTS THAT RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM A DRB OR PLANNING BOARD, UM, GET THE BUILDING PERMIT WITHIN 18 MONTHS.
WE DO BELIEVE THAT EIGHT FIVE YEARS IS EXCESSIVE AND IS NOT WARRANT A BONUS.
WE BELIEVE THAT, UH, BONUS FOR RESTRICTIVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO 0.5 THAT MAY BE COMMENSURATE WITH OTHER PENDING PROPOSALS IN THE CITY.
UM, WE DO BELIEVE THE BONUS FOR DEVELOPMENT AT CONSTRUCTION OF THE BAY WALK SHOULD BE LIMITED TO 0.5.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE BONUS FOR REPLACING EXISTING TRANSIT USES ON THE EAST SIDE OF WEST AVENUE OF THE PUBLIC PARKING STRUCTURE SHOULD BE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN, UM, 1.5.
AND THAT THE ADDITIONAL 10%, 10% FAR BONUS, UM, ALSO NOT BE INCLUDED OR BE ELIMINATED.
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THAT THE PROPOSED HEIGHT BONUS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN 150 FEET.SO IN SUMMARY, WE RECOMMENDING THAT THE BONUS DOES NOT EXCEED 2.5 AND THAT THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT DOES NOT EXCEED A TOTAL HEIGHT OF 300 FEET WITH NO NO MODIFICATION TO THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
AFTER THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, WE ASK THE BOARD TO PROVIDE COMMON AND FEEDBACK AND CONTINUE BOTH THESE OR, UM, BOTH THE, UM, THE ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LDR AMENDMENTS TO A DATE CERTAIN OF JANUARY TO ALLOW US TIME, TIME TO HAVE THE, THE FIRST PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETING BEFORE THE JANUARY MEETING.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UH, MR. LARKIN FOR THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION.
UH, THANK YOU MICHAEL, CAN THE PRESENTATION BE PULLED UP? AND MICHAEL, DO YOU SEE MICHAEL STERN'S HAND BEING RAISED? I THINK HE'S PROBABLY UNDER MS. YEAH.
YES, THAT WOULD BE LIKE, THAT WOULD BE LIKELY.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PROMOTE HIM? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WOULD YOU, I THINK HE'S, HE HAS HIS HAND RAISED WHEN, WHEN IT'S TIME FOR HIM TO SPEAK.
UM, HE CAN SPEAK JUST WITHIN A MINUTE.
SO IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND PROMOTE HIM, IT WOULD BE GOOD.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBER STAFF MICHAEL LARKIN, TOUR SOUTH BISKIN BOULEVARD.
OH, BEFORE YOU START, THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE DISCLOSURES, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THIS IS A A OKAY, SO WANNA MAKE SURE LEGISLATIVE, BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF US MAY HAVE MET OKAY, GO AHEAD.
HERE TODAY, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
WITH ME TODAY IS KOBE KARP, OUR ARCHITECT OF RECORD.
MY COLLEAGUE NICHOLAS RODRIGUEZ.
ADRIAN DEBOWSKI FROM KIMBERLY HORN.
MICHAEL STERN IS IN GERMANY RIGHT NOW, BUT HE IS ONE TO VERY MUCH TO PARTICIPATE, SO YOU'LL BE HEARING HIS VOICE, UH, VERY SOON.
SO WE'RE EXCITED TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS.
UM, IT'S A VERY LONG PROCESS, AS I'LL DESCRIBED TO YOU ALL LATER.
IT STARTS NOW, IT CULMINATES WITH A SECOND READING AT CITY COMMISSION IN APRIL.
WE DO THINK THAT THIS TOWER IS APPROPRIATE, UH, FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S CONTEXTUAL AND WE THINK THAT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT PACKAGE THAT WE ARE OFFERING TO IMPROVE THIS CORRIDOR IS COMM MEASURE IT WITH WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS TURN IT OVER NOW TO MICHAEL, UM, PROBABLY GO THROUGH NEXT SLIDE.
SO JUST BEFORE I DO, THE ZONING IS RM THREE FOR THIS SECTION OF WEST AVENUE THAT'S BAYFRONT ON THE WEST SIDE OF WEST AVENUE.
UH, WHEN YOU GET PAST THE FLAMINGO, IT REVERTS TO RM TWO, BUT ON THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE CORRIDOR, IT'S RM THREE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ABOUT BENTLEY BAY, WHERE IT AGAIN, TRANSITIONS TO A CPS ZONE.
AND THIS IS THE EXTENT THE ALTON BEACH OVERLAY.
ORIGINALLY, WE WANTED TO CONFINE IT TO THE BOUNDARIES OF OUR PROPERTY.
STAFF HAD SUGGESTED, WELL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE PURSUING A REDEVELOPMENT OF THE BIKINI HOSTEL PROPERTY, INCLUDE THAT.
BUT JUST AS AN EARLY NOTE, WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN THE FLOOR AREA FROM THE BIKINI HOSTEL PROPERTY THAT CAN REMAIN THERE AND HAVE IT BENEFIT THE CITY WHEN WE DONATE THAT PROPERTY TO THE CITY.
SO THIS IS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MICHAEL STERN.
UH, IS HE PROMOTED ALREADY? MICHAEL? YES.
MICHAEL, ARE YOU THERE? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO, UH, SORRY, IS THERE A WAY THAT I CAN SEE THE SLIDES WHILE I'M SPEAKING? I, UM, I DON'T THINK SO.
I DON'T, HE SWIPES OVER TO THE SCREEN SHARE PART.
I THINK YOU PROBABLY CAN, IF YOU DIALED IN VIA ZOOM, YOU JUST HAVE TO SWIPE OVER THE SCREEN.
YOU COULD SEE THE SCREEN SHARE.
OH, YOU MEAN JUST, YEAH, MICHAEL? YEAH, IF YOU, IF YOU SWIPE OVER ONE SCREEN, DO YOU SEE IT? THE SCREEN SHARE? I THINK I HAVE IT NOW, YES.
UH, APPRECIATE, UH, THE TIME AND I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF FIRST.
I'M THE CEO OF JDS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND I'D LIKE TO JUST START BY INTRODUCING THE TEAM.
SO, UM, FOR MYSELF, FOR JDS, MY PARTNER, UH, GV DEVELOPMENT, UM, ALL OF US LIVE ON MIAMI BEACH, FIRST OF ALL.
AND WE CARE VERY DEEPLY ABOUT THE IMPRINT THAT WE LEAVE ON THE CITY.
I'D LIKE TO START WITH JUST A QUICK CASE STUDY OF ANOTHER PROPERTY WE DEVELOPED DIRECTLY ADJACENT, UM, TO THIS SITE, MONAD TERRACE, WHICH IS, UH, DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO 1250 WEST AVENUE.
UM, JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY WHO'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, IT WAS ORIGINALLY A LITTLE STREET, A CUL-DE-SAC THAT HAD A NUMBER OF OLDER HOMES, BUNGALOWS ON THEM.
UM, THEY WEREN'T IN GREAT CONDITION.
UM, WE HAD A COMPLICATED ASSEMBLAGE
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TO ASSEMBLE THE ENTIRE BLOCK, UH, CLOSE THE STREET.THERE WERE A LOT OF, UH, LEGAL ISSUES AND INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES TO DEAL WITH TO GET THIS PROPERTY, UH, DEVELOPED.
UM, NICK, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, SO THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE, UM, WITH 1250 WEST, THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, KIND OF IN THE BACKGROUND ON THE LEFT IN THE, THESE IMAGES.
UM, AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, WE TOOK A LOT OF CARE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DEVELOPED A PROPERTY THAT WAS VERY RESPECTFUL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, VERY RESPECTFUL TO THE, IN THE WAY THAT IT GREETS THE STREET.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT IMAGE ON THE RIGHT, UM, WE AT GREAT EXPENSE BURIED THE PARKING IN A VERY RESILIENT WAY.
THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST RESILIENT BUILDINGS, UM, BUILT IN MIAMI BEACH.
IT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT TO WHAT IS HOPEFULLY GONNA BE THE NEW WEST AVENUE STREET ELEVATION AT SOME POINT.
UM, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A BIG PARKING PODIUM THAT GREETS THE STREET IN AN UNFRIENDLY WAY.
SO WE BURIED THE PARKING, CREATED A VERY LUSH LANDSCAPE, UH, BOTH IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
WE ALSO CARE ABOUT HOW THE BUILDING, UM, WILL NOT JUST IMPACT THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN IT, BUT ALSO ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT KIND OF LIVE WITH IT EVERY DAY.
SO WE DID A VERY DYNAMIC FACADE THAT IS VERY ATTRACTIVE OVER TIME.
UM, AND WE THINK, WE THINK WE DID A, A REALLY NICE JOB OF INTEGRATING A BUILDING WITH A CHALLENGING SITE, UM, INTO THE LANDSCAPE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WE THINK THAT IT'S ELEVATED BOTH THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE CORRIDOR AND, UH, THE VALUES ALONG THE CORRIDOR, NOT JUST FOR THIS BUILDING, UH, AND ITS RESIDENCE, BUT ALSO ALL THE BUILDINGS AROUND IT.
I'VE SEEN A LOT OF APPRECIATION, UM, SINCE THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN BUILT.
UM, BUT THE POINT IS, UM, WE'RE NOT HERE TO, TO DAMAGE NEIGHBORHOODS WE'RE, WE'RE IN.
WE'RE HERE TO ENHANCE THEM AND BUILD, UM, VERY, UM, RESPECTFUL AND CONTEXTUAL BUILDINGS, UM, THAT EMBRACE THEIR SURROUNDINGS.
SO NOW WE COME TO THE PROPERTY, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, 1250 WEST AVENUE.
UM, THIS BUILDING HAS 238 EXISTING UNITS.
UM, IT WAS BUILT, UH, IN A DIFFERENT ERA.
NO BALCONIES, I BELIEVE IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT AS A HEALTHCARE FACILITY.
UM, IT IS IN VERY BAD CONDITION.
IT'S GOT A MOLD PROBLEM, IT'S GOT ROTTED PIPES, IT'S GOT A ROTTING FOUNDATION.
UM, THE BUILDING IS, IS UTTERLY OBSOLETE AND IS TIME TO GO.
AND THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE RIGHT APPROACH TO DEVELOPING THIS VERY IMPORTANT SITE? AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO RUN YOU THROUGH OUR PROPOSAL AND WHY WE THINK IT'S BEST.
THERE'S THE AS OF RIGHT DEVELOPMENT UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING AND WHAT WE THINK IS A SUPERIOR URBAN DESIGN APPROACH, WHICH IS OUR PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT.
AND I'D LIKE TO RUN YOU THROUGH THOSE TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND EXPLAIN WHY WE THINK WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS APPROPRIATE AND A BETTER PLAN.
SO THIS IS AMASSING, UM, OF BASICALLY THE AS OF RIGHT ZONING.
UM, THE ZONING REQUIRES SORT OF A SQUAT AND SHORT BULKY ARRANGEMENT IN ORDER TO FIT ALL OF THE FLOOR AREA.
IT PROVIDES VERY LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES FOR ARCHITECTURAL EXPRESSION.
UM, IT TENDS TO TO LEAD TO A SHORT SQUAT BUILDING THAT CREATES BAD SHADOW IMPACT ON ITS NEIGHBORS.
UM, IT ALSO DOES HAPPEN ALONG THE CORRIDOR TO ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTALS, WHICH WE DON'T THINK IS THE BEST IDEA IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A BUILDING THAT IS A LOT LESS DENSE.
WE WOULD LIMIT OURSELVES TO ABOUT A HUNDRED UNITS ONLY.
SO THE COMMENSURATE TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND SEWER IMPACTS WOULD ACTUALLY BE A LOT LOWER.
AND THOSE IMPACTS WE THINK ARE A LOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN HEIGHT.
WE WOULD COMMIT TO DOING RELATIVELY LARGE UNITS, WHICH WOULD DISCOURAGE SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
WE'D ACTUALLY PROHIBIT THEM OUTRIGHT.
BUT THE KEY IS WE WOULD CREATE A VERY COMPACT TOWER FOOTPRINT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY CREATE A LOT LESS SHADOW FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME ON THE NEIGHBORS.
WE WOULD ALSO VERY STRATEGICALLY PLACE THE TOWER TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO BOTH MONAD TERRACE ON ONE SIDE AND 1228 WEST TO THE OTHER.
WE WOULD ALSO CREATE A MUCH BIGGER STREET AND WATERFRONT SETBACK TO PRESERVE VIEWS FOR ALL OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS AROUND IT.
UM, SO THESE ARE SOME AERIAL SHOTS THAT JUST DEMONSTRATE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE, AS OF RIGHT ZONING WOULD TYPICALLY CALL FOR AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
UM, SO THIS IS THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IN THE AS OF RIGHT PEDESTAL, WHICH IS UP TO 50 FEET IN HEIGHT.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE STREET SETBACK IS RELATIVELY MINIMAL AT 20 FEET.
WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SET, NEXT SLIDE.
AND THIS IS OUR PROPOSED PEDESTAL, WHICH WOULD BE TIERED IN HEIGHT.
SO IT WOULD CASCADE DOWN TOWARDS BOTH THE WATER AND THE STREET.
THE DARK GRAY THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS
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THE ONLY 50 FOOT PORTION.THE OTHER SECTIONS WOULD TIER DOWN TIER ONE THAT'S 16 FEET AND TIER TWO AT 19 FEET.
UM, WE WOULD ALSO HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER FRONT AND REAR SETBACKS TO THAT 50 FOOT SECTION.
SO IN THE PRACTICAL WORLD, THE REAL WORLD, IT'S A MUCH LESS IMPACTFUL PODIUM THAN THE AS OF RIGHT CONDITION.
AND THIS IS THE TOWER FOOTPRINT THAT IS ALLOWABLE AS OF RIGHT ABOVE 50 FEET.
UM, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S ROUGHLY A 50 FOOT FRONT SETBACK, A 63 FOOT REAR SETBACK, BUT THE SETBACKS NOT THAT DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE PEDESTAL.
IT CREATES, AS I SAID, A A PRETTY SQUAT, UNINTERESTING SHORT BUILDING.
AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT CREATES A 318 FOOT LONG WALL, 150 FEET TALL, DIRECTLY AGAINST ITS NEIGHBOR MONAD TERRACE AND THE OTHER NEIGHBOR 1228, WHICH WOULD PERPETUALLY CAST THOSE BUILDINGS IN SHADOW.
NOT A GREAT CONDITION IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND THEN REALLY THE CRUX OF OUR, OF OUR ARGUMENT IS WE ARE PROPOSING A MUCH MORE COMPACT TOWER FOOTPRINT, MUCH MORE ELEGANT IN ITS PROPORTIONS, 140 FOOT WATERFRONT SETBACK, ALMOST 200 FEET SETBACK FROM THE STREET AND UH, WALL LENGTH AGAINST OUR NEIGHBORS OF ONLY 104 FEET.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT MATTERS IN TERMS OF REAL WORLD IMPACT.
THAT AND THE DENSITY TO THE NEIGHBORS.
I THINK ONCE THE BUILDING IS GONNA AT LEAST MATCH ITS HEIGHT, THAT THE LENGTH OF THAT WALL BECOMES MORE IMPORTANT IN PRACTICAL IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORS.
THE BUILDING WILL NOT OVERWHELM THE STREET BETWEEN THE TIERED PEDESTAL AND BEING SET BACK AS FAR AS IT IS AND IT PRESERVES VIEWS TO ITS NEIGHBORS, INCLUDING THE WAVERLY BY BEING SIGNIFICANTLY SET BACK FROM THE WATER OR THE TOWER PORTION.
AND I'D LOVE TO RUN YOU THROUGH SOME SLIDES TO SHOW SOME OF THOSE REAL WORLD IMPACTS.
SO THIS IS LOOKING AT THE BUILDING FROM WEST AVENUE IN FRONT OF 1228.
THIS IS AN AS OF RIGHT MASSING WITH A PEDESTAL AND A PO UH, AND A TOWER ABOVE THAT AT 150 FEET IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND THAT'S OUR TOWER MASSING WITH THAT CASCADING TIERED PODIUM AND A MUCH MORE ELEGANT SLENDER TOWER, UH, FLOOR PLATE.
THIS IS ACTUALLY FROM A BALCONY AT A UH, WEST AVENUE FACING MONAD UNIT.
THIS IS THE REAL WORLD IMPACT ON THE STREET SIDE, UM, OF THAT AS OF RIGHT CONDITION.
IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONDITION WITH THAT STEP, UH, PEDESTAL AND THE FURTHER, UH, SETBACK OF THE TOWER FROM THE STREET BY PLACING A SMALLER, MORE COMPACT TOWER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK, THE REAL WORLD IMPACTS ARE ACTUALLY A LOT LESS TO BOTH THE STREET AND THE TWO NEIGHBORS.
SO THIS IS STRAIGHT ON, UM, FROM WEST AVENUE LOOKING AT THE BUILDING AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, SLIDING THE TOWER MASS BACK AND STEPPING THE PEDESTAL AND CREATING A MUCH MORE ELEGANT CONDITION.
AND IT DOES HAVE, WE DO, WE ARE ASKING FOR SOME SIDE SETBACK VARIANCES, BUT THERE IS A GREATER SIDE SETBACK TO THE AS OF RIGHT CONDITION.
UM, GIVEN THAT IT'S A A, A VARIABLE BASED ON HEIGHT.
SO WE ARE ASKING FOR SOME SETBACK, UH, RELIEF ON THE SIDES, BUT IT'S STILL A GREATER SETBACK CONDITION THAN THE AS OF RIGHT ON THE SIDES.
AND THIS IS, UH, A SHOT OF THE BUILDING IN CONTEXT.
UM, IT IS TALLER THAN THE WAVERLY, BUT IT WILL NOT BE VISUALLY JARRING.
IT GENERALLY FITS IN CONTEXT WITH BOTH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE WAVERLY AND SOME OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS.
UM, IT IS A MUCH MORE INTERESTING AND BETTER SKYLINE TO HAVE SOME VARIETY WITH SOME ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST THAN TO HAVE KIND OF A, I DON'T KNOW, MICHAEL, DID WE LOSE YOU? IT'S OKAY.
IT'S TIME FOR ME TO TAKE BACK OVER THE PRESENTATION.
LOOKING BACK TOWARD THE EAST, TOWARD THE BEACH, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS AT DIFFERENT HEIGHTS THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE CORRIDOR.
YOU KNOW, GOING TO FLAMINGO ON THE NORTH, THE WAVERLY, THEN OUR PROPOSED PROJECT IN RED.
THEN YOU HAVE THE FLORIDIAN DOWN SOUTH, THE ICON YOU NEED, UH, A CITYSCAPE THAT IS VARIED.
IF YOU JUST HAVE THE SAME MONOTONOUS CITYSCAPE, IT'D BE LIKE CON LIKE CONDO, CANYON AND COLLINS IN THE FIFTIES.
A BUNCH OF FINE PEOPLE LIVE THERE.
MANY, MANY OF MY CLIENTS LIVE THERE.
BUT STILL YOU HAVE REPLICATED ONE AFTER THE OTHER.
THESE SHORT SQUAT BUILDINGS WITH A POSSIBLE SECTION OF THE BATH CLUB AND CHARLIE SEAGERS LIKE LIME GREEN, 6,000 INDIAN CREEK, WHICH IS INTERESTING.
BUT BEYOND THAT, IT'S A REPLICATION OF THE SAME BUILDING TYPOLOGY, WHICH IS MONOTONOUS.
SO I THINK IN ANY CITYSCAPE IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR A CITY TO ENCOURAGE BUILDINGS OF DIFFERENT HEIGHTS LIKE IS ALONG THE WEST AVENUE CORRIDOR.
THIS IS JUST A VIEW OF LOOKING BACK TOWARD DOWNTOWN, TOWARD THE PORT OF MIAMI.
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LOOKING TOWARD THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE BEACH WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS AT DIFFERENT HEIGHTS ALONG THE BAY.AND TRADITIONALLY IN MIAMI BEACH YOU HAVE THE TALLER BUILDINGS HUGGING THE BAYSIDE OR THE OCEAN FRONT.
WE'RE NO DIFFERENT IN THAT REGARD.
THIS IS AGAIN, IF YOU'RE AT PORT OF MIAMI LOOKING EASTWARD TOWARD THE BEACH, AGAIN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A WHOLE PANOPLY OF DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, OF DIFFERENT HEIGHTS, PARTICULARLY ALONG THE BAY FRONT.
THIS IS THE PUBLIC BENEFIT SUMMARY THAT I ALLUDED TO A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.
WHAT MICHAEL STERN INTENDS TO DO, 'CAUSE THE BIKINI HOSTEL IS SUCH A NUISANCE TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, IS THAT HE HAS OFFERED TO PURCHASE BIKINI HOSTEL.
AND UPON APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT, DEMOLISH IT, GET RID OF IT.
AND WHAT WE HAVE THOUGHT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS TO CONSTRUCT A PARKING GARAGE AT THIS LOCATION.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, WEST AVENUE IS BEING RAISED HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR WITH THE RAISING OF WEST AVENUE.
COMES A DELETION OF OVER A HUNDRED ON STREET PARKING SPACES.
MANY OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE EAST SIDE OF WEST AVENUE BETWEEN WEST AND ALTON DON'T HAVE ANY ONSITE PARKING.
OUR PARKING GARAGE WILL BE ABOUT 120 SPACES.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN, WE'LL CONVEY THAT GARAGE TO THE CITY UPON ITS COMPLETION.
NOW IF YOU AHA DIFFERENT IDEAS ABOUT WHAT COULD BE BETTER AT THIS LOCATION, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
AND ULTIMATELY IT'S UP TO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS TO WEIGH IN HEARING FROM YOU AND FROM THE RESIDENTS ALONG WEST AVENUE.
THE NEXT PART OF OUR PUBLIC BENEFIT PACKAGE WOULD BE COMPLETING THE MISSING BAY WALK SEGMENTS, UH, BEHIND THE SOUTH BAY CLUB 1228 WEST AVENUE.
OF COURSE, WE TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN.
THEN THERE'S A SHORT SEGMENT BETWEEN THE CAPRI AND THE WESTERN OF LINCOLN ROAD THAT WE WOULD ALSO HANDLE WITH THAT PROFFER.
WHAT WE'VE HEARD OVER THE LAST WEEK IS THAT, WELL, THESE BAY WALK, THESE MISSING LINKS ARE FULLY FUNDED BY THE GO.
AND THAT WAS TRUE I THINK BECAUSE THE CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATES THAT WERE THE BASIS OF THE GO BOND WERE DONE FROM 20 20 20 21.
AND EACH YEAR SINCE IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE DRAMATICALLY ESCALATED.
SO IT'S TRUE THAT MOST GO BOND PROJECT WILL PROBABLY FUND THE 60, 70% MARK, BUT THERE'S A SHORTFALL IN FUNDING NOW.
SO WE WOULD STEP INTO THE GAP AND DO THAT.
AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE'S NO GAP, WHICH I HIGHLY DOUBT, THEN THE CITY COMMISSION WOULD HAVE THE UTTER DISCRETION TO TRANSFER THAT TO WEST AVENUE TO HELP THERE WITH ANY COST OVERRUNS OR ANY OTHER THING ALONG THIS CORRIDOR.
AND THEN FINALLY, WE WERE ASKED TO BROADEN OUR PUBLIC BENEFIT, GIVE BACK TO THINK NOT JUST THE WEST AVENUE, BUT THIS WILL BE AN ICONIC PROJECT FOR THE WHOLE CITY.
SO WHY NOT THINK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT COULD BENEFIT THE CITY? AND A LOT OF FOLKS DO USE THE COUNTY HEALTH CENTER DOWN THERE IN ALTON RIGHT NOW.
IT'S BEEN RENDERED AN UNSAFE STRUCTURE.
THEY ARE SEEKING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF STATE FUNDING WITH COUNTY FUNDING.
WE'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT MIX, BUT ULTIMATELY, AGAIN, IT'S UP TO YOU ALL IN THE CITY COMMISSION TO SEE IF THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE TYPE OF PROFFER.
THIS IS A RENDERING OF HOW THE PARKING GARAGE COULD LOOK WITH A LINER UNIT FACING WEST AVENUE.
OF COURSE ALL THE PARKING AREA WOULD BE APPROPRIATELY SCREENED.
THESE ARE THE MISSING LINKS OF THE BAY WALKS STARTING ON THE RIGHT ON THE SOUTH, BEHIND THE SOUTH BAY CLUB.
AND THEN OUR SEGMENT, WHICH IS 12 50 12 28.
THEN A MUCH SMALLER SEGMENT BETWEEN LINCOLN ROAD AND THE CAPRI ON THE NORTH.
I'M JUST CURIOUS OF THE BAY LINK.
SO BAIL LINK, THEY WERE JUST GONNA LEAVE IT EMPTY.
I MEAN THE UNFINISHED PORTION WAS JUST GONNA SIT THERE.
THEY HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN THE EASEMENT TO THE CITY TO BUILD IT.
THEY HAVEN'T BOUGHT THE EASEMENT AND THEY HAVEN'T GRANTED THE EASEMENT ON EITHER OF THE, ALRIGHT, SO IF I UNDERSTAND THE, THE PUBLIC BENEFIT, THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT FOR YOU.
BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO GET THE EASEMENTS.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS ON THAT.
IT'S GONNA BE THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT'S JUST NOW STARTING TO BE NEGOTIATED.
BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD PROFFER THE FUNDS TO THE CITY.
I THINK THE CITY HAS A CONTRACT WITH RICKMAN RICKMAN'S ALSO DOING THE WEST AVENUE RAISING.
SO IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THEM ALSO DO THE BAY WALK.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, FOR SOUTH BAY CLUB.
I DON'T THINK THAT THEY HAVE TO, UM, LIKE
SO I THINK THE CITY'S FOCUSING UPON THAT THEY MADE THEM MUCH PROGRESS THERE.
BUT YOUR CLIENT'S GONNA COMPLETE IT WHENEVER.
WE'LL WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE DOING THE FUNDS.
I DO THINK IT'S UNDERFUNDED NOW WITH THE GEO BOND, SO WE'LL BE STEPPING INTO THE BREACH.
AND THIS JUST SHOWS YOU LIKE THE BENEFITS OF THE CITY.
FOR THOSE ALL THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, COURTS ARE CONCERNED WITH CITY FINANCES.
YOU CAN SEE A SEVEN TIME INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF CITY, UH, PROPERTY TAX THAT COMES TO THE CITY BASED UPON THE COMPLETION OF THIS PROJECT.
AND THEN WHAT WE TRY TO ASK OUR ECONOMISTS TO DO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS TO ESTIMATE, OKAY, IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD THIS NEW LUXURY BUILDING, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE AN INCREASE IN HOUSEHOLD INCOME AND HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE INTO SPENDING PATTERNS? AND WHAT THEY FOUND WAS
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THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE ABOUT 23 MILLION FOR THE INCREASE AND THEN 149 MILLION WOULD BE ADDED TO THE CITY'S ECONOMY, MEANING BUYING AT RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL SHOPS.'CAUSE IT'S LIKE A, A GOOD MONEY MULTIPLIER EFFECT THAT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL FOR OUR CITY.
SO EACH, EACH NEW POTENTIAL RESIDENT'S GONNA SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE CITY
YEAH, WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH OUR ECONOMISTS ON THAT AS WELL.
UM, TO REFINE THAT NEXT SLIDE.
AND THIS IS A LEGISLATION SUMMARY.
UM, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY RESIDENTIAL ACCESSORY USES ARE PERMITTED, NO OUTDOOR RESTAURANT SEATING THAT'S SEEN AS A NUISANCE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
FLOOR AREA, BONUSES, UH, HEIGHT BONUS OR SIDE INTERIOR SETBACK MARKET.
MICHAEL, SORRY, YOU GO BACK ONE STEP.
THE BOTTOM FLOOR, THE RETAIL OF THE PARKING GARAGE, YOU'RE DONATING.
SEE THE RETAIL WILL REMAIN WITH THE OWNER WITH WHAT TYPE OF TENANTS? YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CIVIC USES THERE.
IT COULD BE CODE ENFORCEMENT SHARES IT WITH THE POLICE STATION FOR A MINI SUBSTATION.
THERE COULD BE REALLY ANYTHING.
IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE AN OFFICE USE.
OH, FOR THE CITY THOUGH? YEAH.
THAT'D BE OUR FIRST, OUR FIRST CHOICE IN THE GARAGE.
BUT THE RETAIL IN THE BOTTOM, I, I THOUGHT OKAY, AS LONG AS THERE'S AN ACTIVE USE THERE AND IT'S NOT A DEAD ELEVATION FACING THE STREET.
JUST MICHAEL WANTS, DEVELOPERS ALWAYS WANT TO CONTROL THE CORNERS ADJACENT TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S JUST ONE WAY OF ENSURING THAT IT'LL BE A NICE QUALITY USE THERE AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DISASTROUS.
SO AGAIN, GOING TO FOUR, LIKE WE, AS MICHAEL ALLUDED TO, WE ARE MODIFYING THE INTERIOR SETBACKS.
THERE ARE PERMITTING SOME MINOR SETBACK ENCROACHMENTS.
AND ALTHOUGH WE LOVE THIS BOARD, WE'RE TRYING TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS AND JUST HAVE MECHANICAL PARKING BE DONE ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE BASIS RATHER THAN COMING TO YOU ALL THE TRANSFER DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AS I THINK THIS THROUGH, IT'S REALLY NOT NECESSARY FOR OUR PROJECT.
AND WE WILL PROBABLY BE REVISING OUR LEGISLATION AND DELETING THAT BECAUSE THE FLOOR AREA THAT COMES WITH THE BIKINI HOSTILE PROPERTY, WE WANT IT TO REMAIN BIKINI HOSTILE PROPERTY.
IF THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO EMBARK UPON A TDR PROGRAM AND SELL THE ITS DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS TO A DEVELOPER THAT'LL WANT, THAT'S FINE.
AND THEN THE CITY COULD USE THOSE FUNDS TO CONSTRUCT ATTAINABLE HOUSING SOMEWHERE.
BUT AS I THINK IT THROUGH, I THINK IT'S JUST CAUSING CONFUSION.
WE'RE NOT USING ANY OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS FROM BIKINI HOSTEL PROPERTY.
SO NEXT TIME YOU ALL SEE THIS IN JANUARY 7TH, THAT'LL PROBABLY BE REMOVED FROM OUR LEGISLATION.
WE'VE HEARD THAT OUR BONUS SYSTEM IS CONFUSING, IT'S INNOVATIVE, IT'S TOO NEW.
BUT AS YOU ALL KNOW, IN MIAMI BEACH, OUR RECENT HISTORY WAS IN THE EIGHTIES THAT HOVERED CLOSE TO BANKRUPTCY.
SO THEY OPENED THE DOOR TO DEVELOPERS.
THEY HAD DEVELOPERS GO THROUGH A BONUS SYSTEM THAT WAS PRESENT IN THE NINETIES.
THE BONUS SYSTEM WAS BASED UPON, THIS IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE OLD ZONING CODE.
THE BONUS SYSTEM WAS BASED UPON DESIGN ELEMENTS.
AND UH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, JUST AVERAGE UNIT SIZE OF APARTMENTS, THE GREATER THE APARTMENT SIZE, THE GREATER THE THE FAR BONUS.
YOU HAVE A DENSITY REDUCTION TO 55 UNITS PER ACRE LEAVING US ONLY WITH 104.
THIS IS A SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION FROM TODAY.
WE'LL PROFFER A COVENANT THAT PROHIBITS SHORT TERM RENTAL, WE WILL FILL THE FUNDING GAPS FOR DESIGNING CONSTRUCTION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS AND OR MISSING BAY WALK SEGMENT.
WE'LL OBTAIN A BUILDING PERMIT WITHIN FIVE YEARS.
OF COURSE, I'VE HEARD THE CRITIQUE FROM STAFF THAT COULD PROBABLY BE REDUCED A LITTLE BIT.
WE WERE TRYING TO GIVE OURSELVES SOME WIGGLE ROOM BECAUSE WHILE I DEARLY LOVE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, IT DOES REQUIRE A LOT OF EFFORT TO GET THROUGH THAT BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
SO, BUT THERE'S ROOM FOR CHANGE THERE.
AND, UM, WHAT'S THE LAST ONE, NICK? I CAN'T SEE IT COLLECTION.
IT'S OKAY, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST THE SLIDE WITH REGARD TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY SHOWING THAT YES, EVEN WE'RE GONNA REDUCE THE TRIPS AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, THAT COMMERCIAL USE THAT'S CLOSER TO ALTON LIKELY RETAIL, BUT THAT IS, EVEN WITH ALL OF THAT, IT LEADS TO A NET REDUCTION IN THE NET NEW TRIPS, UM, FOR OUR PROJECT.
AND THE WATER AND SEWER ANALYSIS CAME LATE.
IT CAME IN ACTUALLY, UH, YESTERDAY.
IT SHOWED THAT NOTHING WRONG WITH THE WATER LINES IN THE AREA, BUT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT THERE IS CONSULTANT IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE SEWER LINE, UM, BEING A LITTLE BIT OLD IN THIS AREA.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR CIVIL ENGINEER TALK TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT TO TRY TO HELP OUT WITH THAT ISSUE.
UM, THAT'S A ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF GOING THROUGH THIS.
THIS IS AN EXHAUSTIVE PROCESS, BUT IT IDENTIFIES INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES UP FRONT AND ALLOWS US TO TACKLE THEM.
SO I THINK THAT'S A SMART WAY TO GO.
HOW DOES THAT GET TA LET'S SAY THAT YOUR ENGINEER FINDS A PROBLEM.
WHO, HOW DO THEY ADDRESS THAT? I THINK IT PROBABLY IS ROLLED INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND WOULD BE ONE MORE VOLUNTARY PROFFER THAT WE
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WOULD, UH, GIVE TO THE CITY IN ORDER TO FIX THIS.YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO OVERBURDEN IF WE, YOU TELL ME A SEWER LINE'S 80 TO A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
WELL THAT'S A PROBLEM, RIGHT? OH, SO, OKAY.
SO CAN I ASK, LET'S SAY YOU WERE TO REBUILD WHAT'S THERE TODAY, WOULD THAT NOT BE ALLOWED IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE SEWER CAPACITY? IF YOU COULD BUILD AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.
IS ASKING MATTER OF, RIGHT? I MEAN, OR MAYBE THAT'S FOR, FOR MICHAEL AND NICK.
WELL, TYPICALLY ANY SORT OF DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL THEY HAVE TO DO A, A WATER AND SEWER ANALYSIS.
AND I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, AS MICHAEL STATED, THERE HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE WITH THE WATER.
BUT UM, TYPICALLY THE SEWER SYSTEM MAY, MAY NEED UPGRADING AS PART OF ANY SORT OF, UM, REDEVELOPMENT OF A SITE.
SO REGARDLESS, RIGHT, BUT, BUT, BUT HE'S ASKING IF, IF YOU CAN BUILD AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.
IS THAT PROCESS I STILL IN PLACE DON'T, I DON'T REVIEW ANY SORT OF WATER SEWER ANALYSIS.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT PROCESS IS FOR IF THIS IS DEMOLISHED AND IF IT'S REBUILT.
SO MATTHEW, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S HARD TO SAY THEY HAVE TO DO IT ANYWAYS, BUT WE'RE UNDER THE MAGNIFYING GLASS HERE AND SUBJECT NEGOTIATION WITH THE CITY.
SO I THINK THE CITY'S IN A POSITION TO ASK US FOR HELP, WHEREAS IF WE'RE GOING AS OF RIGHT, THEY MAY NOT DO SO.
AS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS.
AND IS THIS IN A ZONING DISTRICT WHERE THEY REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? NO.
50,000 SQUARE FOOT RULE APPLIES TO COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AND MXC.
AND THE LAST, BEFORE WE GET TO THERE, JUST ONE BACK.
SO THIS IS THE TIMELINE I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, STARTING WITH YOU ALL THAT WE HAVE A VIRTUAL MEETING IN DECEMBER, UH, JANUARY 7TH, BACK TO YOU ALL FOR THE FORMAL TRANSMITTAL HEARING, FIRST READING BEFORE THE COMMISSION, FEBRUARY, MARCH, ANOTHER VIRTUAL COMMUNITY MEETING, AND THEN APRIL CITY COMMISSION.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY IT REQUIRES DRB APPROVAL, UH, AT SOME POINT AFTER THAT.
UNLESS YOU PUT AN UNDER STORY ON SORRY, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, UNLESS YOU PUT AN UNDER STORY ON THEN YOU'RE GOOD.
NO, THIS, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE SIXTH STEP FAR REVIEW PROCESS.
SO ALL WE WOULD BE DOING IS AGREEING TO MOVE IT TO THE, TO THE PROVIDE, PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS AND THEN CONTINUE TILL JANUARY.
AND THEN, I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST I THINK, AND YOU'VE BEEN VERY GENEROUS WITH THE TIME, UM, UH, MICHAEL STERN WANTED TO COMMENT IN THE LAST THREE TO FOUR SLIDES AND THEN THAT'S THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION.
MICHAEL, YOU THERE? YES, I'M HERE.
JUST, JUST, UH, WANTED TO JUST SHOW SOME IMAGES.
YOU COULD JUST SCROLL THROUGH THEM.
NICK, I'LL, WE TOOK A LOT OF YOUR TIME, BUT JUST SOME REAL WORLD IMAGES AND CONTEXT SHOWING THE CONDITION FROM THE WATER GENERALLY IN CONTEXT AND HOW THE BUILDING GREETS THE STREET AND WHAT THAT, UH, WE'LL TAKE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS SPEAK ON THIS SET? COME ON UP LADIES FIRST ACTUALLY, NEVERMIND.
I MEAN,
I MEANT THE WAVERLY, UH, MY NAME'S MIKE DORSCH.
UM, AND UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WHICH SAID WAS, UM, COMPARING THE AS OF RIGHT VERSUS THE, THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT AND THEY WANT TO PRESERVE THE VIEWS FOR THOSE OF THE WAVE EARLY.
WELL, THEY'RE NOT PRESERVING MY VIEW.
I'LL HAVE PEOPLE LOOK IN MY BEDROOM.
I BOUGHT THIS MY UNIT 12 YEARS AGO.
I RESEARCHED ZONING AND REALIZED THAT NOTHING BETWEEN ME AND THE FLORIDIAN AT SIX 50 WEST COULD BE BUILT A HIGHER THAN 150 FEET.
WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE WAVERLY? DO YOU KNOW? PARDON ME? WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE WAVERLY? I'M IN SOUTH SIDE.
NO, I'M SAYING DO YOU KNOW THE HEIGHT OF YOUR BUILDING WE PROVIDED IN A REPORT.
SO THE WAVERLY RANGES FROM 279 FEET HIGH TO 334.
I THINK IT'S A 34 STORY BUILDING.
AND I THINK THE, THE MONAD COMES TO MAYBE 18, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DIDN'T OPPOSE IT.
UM, MONAD NUMBER ONE BECAUSE IT'S AS OF RIGHT, NUMBER TWO, IT'S A NICE BUILDING.
IF THEY GET 2 MILLION A UNIT, GREAT.
UM, ALSO I OWN A UNIT AT FLORIDIAN AND WHEN THE FIVE PARK WAS BUILT, I DIDN'T OBJECT TO THAT BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING A WHOLE CITY PARK AND THE ALTERNATIVE WAS THIS MASSING OF BUILDINGS, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN HIDEOUS AND IT DIDN'T AFFECT MY CORNER VIEW TOO MUCH BECAUSE I WAS ALREADY LOOKING AT THE CONTINUUM AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
UM, BUT IN THIS CASE, THIS BUILDING WILL DIRECTLY IMPACT ME.
THEY SHOW AMASSING OF THE AS OF RIGHT.
WELL, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT BECAUSE THEY BUILT MONAD AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA, PARDON MY FRENCH, P**S OFF OFF THE PEOPLE THEY JUST SOLD TO.
IF THEY PUT A BUILDING 20 FEET NEXT DOOR RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A PRETTY WIDE SETBACK BETWEEN THAT BUILDING.
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SO I THINK THE ALTERNATIVE OF JUST SAYING, WELL, LET ME GO HIGHER.WELL, YEAH, IT MIGHT HELP MONAD TODAY VERSUS THE AS OF RIGHT, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY HELPING MONAD TODAY VERSUS WHAT'S THERE.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD SETBACK WITH THE PARKING LOTS BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.
SO I, I'M NOT SURE WHY SUDDENLY WE SHOULD BREAK FROM TRADITION AND LET THESE GUYS GO HIGHER WHEN YOU'RE GONNA GET OVERWHELMED WITH EVERY BUILDING BETWEEN THERE AND THE FLORIDIAN WANTING TO DO THE EXACT SAME THING.
AND ALSO I LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
IT'S A YOUNG CROWD AND IT'S A A A NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE BIG BUILDINGS COME IN, THE PEOPLE WITH THEIR BENTLEY SHOW UP.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD ISN'T THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S THESE BIG FANCY BUILDINGS AND NOBODY'S THERE.
LISTEN, I LOOKED DOWN ON MONAD.
HALF THE PEOPLE AREN'T THERE, WHEREAS THE, THE OTHER UNITS, THEY'RE ALL OUT WALKING THEIR DOG.
THE FLAVOR OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO CHANGE WITH HIGH END, YOU KNOW, 2,500, $5 MILLION RESIDENTS.
UM, AND MY VIEW GETS LOST AND I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT RIGHT.
THEY CAN BUILD WHATEVER THEY WANT TO BUILD WITHIN THE COAT AND MONAD WAS A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT.
WHY SUDDENLY THEY GONNA GO BUY THE BIKINI HOSTEL TO SAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOBODY CARES ABOUT THAT BI BIKINI HOSTEL.
AND I CERTAINLY WOULD RATHER HAVE THE BIKINI HOSTEL THAN THE PARKING GARAGE, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE NEED EITHER.
SO FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THIS PROJECT SHOULD BE DOA DEAD ON ARRIVAL AND I HOPE YOU GUYS ALL FEEL THE SAME WAY.
HI EVERYONE, MY NAME IS MEGAN AXEL.
I AM A RESIDENT OF MIAMI BEACH FOR EIGHT YEARS.
I CURRENTLY LIVE AT THE FLAMINGO AND I ABSOLUTELY ADORE OUR COMMUNITY.
I FIRST AND FOREMOST AM A VERY AVID, UH, CREATIVE ARTIST AND ALSO AN ADVOCATE FOR SUSTAINABILITY OF OUR FUTURE.
AND ALSO WHEN I SAW THE DESIGN OF THIS BUILDING, I REALLY DID SEE THE FUTURE.
NOW MOVING FORWARD, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE JDS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE A BEAUTIFUL ADDITION TO WEST AVENUE.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE NOT ONLY ARCHITECTURALLY BEAUTIFUL, BUT ALSO FUTURE FORWARD.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT OF 280 UNITS WILL HAVE FAR MORE IMPACT ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRAFFIC ON WEST AVENUE.
THE PROPOSED JDS DEVELOPMENT AT A HUNDRED UNITS WILL HAVE FAR LESS IMPACT ON NOT ONLY THE SEWAGE WASTE MANAGEMENT AND TRAFFIC, BUT ALSO ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND ON OUR BELOVED BAY AS A BIG SUPPORTER OF SUSTAINABILITY AND A PROSPEROUS MIAMI BEACH FUTURE.
I'M IMPRESSED WITH THE PLANS JDS HAS FOR 1250 WEST AVENUE.
ANYBODY ELSE? WE HAVE SEVERAL COLORS.
UM, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
ARE YOU HERE FOR THIS? OKAY, WE ALWAYS TAKE CUSTOMERS INSIDE THE STORE.
MY NAME IS SELENA MAM, I'M FROM GERMANY AND I LIVE ON WEST AVENUE.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A FEW QUICK COMMENTS ON THE PRESENTATION WE JUST HEARD.
SO, UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO START MENTIONING THAT IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE BIKINI HOSPITAL WOULD BE A VERY GREAT IMPROVEMENT OF THE AREA.
I WALK A LOT MY DOG OR JUST FOR JOY AT NIGHT.
AND UM, I FEEL ESPECIALLY DURING THE LATER HOURS, IT'S UM, THE AMOUNT OF DRUNK PEOPLE HANGING OUT THERE AND HANGING OUT IN THE AREA DOESN'T FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE FOR ME.
AND, UM, ALSO AS WE HEARD IN THE PRESENTATION, I WOULD ALLOW, UH, LIKE TO MENTION THE FINISHING OF THE BAY WALK WOULD BE AN AMAZING ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY FOR FAMILIES.
IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO WALK THE ENTIRE WATERFRONT.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, I THINK IT'S A VERY MODERN AND ELEGANT DESIGN CONSTRUCTION AND, UM, I BELIEVE THAT, SORRY, UM,
IT WOULD BE JUST A VERY ICONIC ADDITION TO OUR MIAMI BEACH SKYLINE, ESPECIALLY THE VERY, UM, SKINNY ARCHITECTURE.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A MASSIVE BUILDING THAT PEOPLE FEEL THEY'RE BLOCKING THE VIEWS.
SO I THINK THE DESIGN IS A VERY, AS I SAID,
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ICONIC ADDITION TO THE MIAMI BEACH SKYLINE.MY NAME IS TIM CARR WITH THE WEST AVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I JUST WANTED TO REVIEW THE STATEMENT IN CASE YOU DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO READ IT LAST NIGHT THAT WE SENT OUT FROM OUR BOARD MEETING YESTERDAY.
BUT AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF THE WEST, A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REGARDING THE PROPOSED LEGI LEGISLATION FOR THE JDS DEVELOPMENT GROUP AND THE REDEVELOPMENT OF 1250 WEST AVENUE IN THE RELATED FLOOR AREA RATIO AND HEIGHT BONUSES.
THE WAWONA BOARD AND DIRECTORS REQUIRE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE DEVELOPER AND THE CITY, AND THE FEEDBACK FROM AFFECTED RESIDENTS AND OTHERS BEFORE TAKING ANY, ANY POSITION ON THESE MATTERS.
AGAIN, THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS SHOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND FEEDBACK TO INFORM THIS DECISION.
SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE DOING TODAY.
'CAUSE THIS IS REALLY THE, JUST THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS.
WE HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD, UM, WE DID A ZOOM CALL LAST WEEK, WAS REALLY THE FIRST OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD FROM THOSE MOST IMPACTED, UH, FROM 1228, THE BOARD THERE, UH, MONAD TERRACE AND THE WAVERLY, UH, BOARD AS WELL.
SO WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO GATHER THEIR FEEDBACK.
WE JUST HAD OUR FIRST CHANCE TO SEE THE CITY'S REPORT, SO WE'RE REALLY GATHERING ALL THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE REALLY COME OUT WITH A STATEMENT IN THIS PROCESS.
AND WE REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR DIALOGUE AND FEEDBACK ON THIS AS WELL.
LASTLY, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THE BOARD AND AS YOU, AS YOU SAW YOU, THE, SO THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE A, I THINK A COMMUNITY WORKSHOP KIND OF.
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, THE CITY'S GONNA HAVE AS, AS MICHAEL HAS SAID, TWO MORE OUTREACHES ONCE IN DECEMBER.
I THINK THE OTHER ONE IS IN FEBRUARY.
SO AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO BE AT THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THIS PROCESS AND WE'LL BE LISTENING ATTENTIVELY TO YOUR COMMENTS AS WELL IN THE WHOLE PROCESS.
BUT JUST IN CLOSING, AGAIN, THE BOARD DOES APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC BENEFITS, UH, THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED BY GDS AND THE CONNECTION AND THE POSITIVE IMPACT THAT IT CAN HAVE ON OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL.
OKAY, TIM, UH, QUESTION FOR YOU.
IS THIS THE FIRST THAT YOU'VE LEARNED ABOUT THIS? OR HAVE, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER IN THE PAST? NO, WE'VE BEEN TALKING AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN READING PIECES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAD A PRESENTATION TO OUR BOARD PRIOR TO ALL THIS SO THAT WE COULD GET UP TO SPEED AND EVERYTHING.
WERE YOU ABLE TO OFFER ANY INSIGHT AT THAT EARLY STAGE TO THE DEVELOPER? NOT REALLY.
UH, JUST REALLY TAKING IN THE INFORMATION OF WHAT THEY PROVIDED AND REALLY KINDA WAITING ON THE CITY'S REPORT AS WELL IN THAT PROCESS.
I'M SORRY, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU.
COULD YOU TALK ABOUT, I GUESS, THE PERCEIVED BENEFITS FOR THE WEST AVENUE CORRIDOR, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, I GUESS, REMOVAL OF THE BIKINI HOSPITAL, THE DONATION OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PUBLIC PARKING, KIND OF WHAT THAT MEANS WITH THEM RAISING THE ROADS, HOW THAT OFFSETS THE PARKING NEEDS? SURE.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, OUR JOB IS TO REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY AND SOLICIT FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE WITH WEST A PHASE TWO AND THE NEW KIND OF RESTRICTIONS, UH, FROM THE STATE AND COUNTY REGARDING PARKING, WE'RE GONNA LOSE SIGNIFICANT PARKING DURING THAT PHASE FROM BASICALLY, UH, 14TH STREET ALL THE WAY UP TO 17TH STREET.
AND THEN THE PHASE THREE FROM 14TH SOUTH DOWN TO EIGHTH STREET.
SO OUR THOUGHT IS, AGAIN, TO ACTIVATE THE COMMUNITY.
HAVE FIRST, UH, FIRST FLOOR RETAIL, POTENTIALLY RELOCATE THAT TIRED, UH, POST OFFICE ON, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO, UH, THE, WHERE THE PUMP STATION IS BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW.
UH, BUT THEN HAVING PARKING, YOU KNOW, FOUR FLOORS OF PARKING ABOVE THAT TO REALLY HELP ACCOMMODATE THE RESIDENTS NEED.
THEY DON'T REALIZE IT NOW, BUT WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW ON THE PARKING ANALYSIS.
AND REALLY THIS, THE, THE EXTREME NEED THAT RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO NEED, ESPECIALLY A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES AROUND HERE.
'CAUSE A LOT OF THEM, YOU KNOW, ON THE WATERFRONT DO HAVE PARKING, BUT THE ONES THAT CROSS THE STREET ARE SMALLER BUILDINGS AND A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE DO DEPEND ON, ON STREET PARKING.
SO YOU WOULD WALK IN A PARKING GARAGE THERE.
SO THAT KIND OF GETS ABSOLUTELY WHAT YOU'RE SEEMING NEED, I GUESS.
IT'S INTERESTING 'CAUSE I'VE HEARD THE EXACT OPPOSITE, SO THAT I APPRECIATE THAT'S GOOD.
IT'S GOOD FEEDBACK AS WE NEED BECAUSE I'M WELCOME.
LIKE, AGAIN, THIS IS THE EARLY STAGES.
WE WELCOME EVERYONE'S FEEDBACK IN THIS PROCESS SO WE CAN MAKE THE MOST, UH, INFORM AND YOU'LL ACTIVELY, ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE IN THESE, THESE COMING MEETING.
BUT I WELCOME ELIZABETH, ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE HEARD AS WELL.
I'VE HEARD THAT YOU, YOU DON'T NEED A PARKING GARAGE AND THAT YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF PARKING AND THAT SOME OF THE PARKING DOWN ON THE SOUTH END IS NOT EVEN UTILIZED.
THEY'RE GONNA PARK IN YOUR BUILDING, ESPECIALLY ONCE WESTPA PHASE TWO.
ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS? OKAY, THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS, UH, MARKOVICH AND I'M
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A BROKER WITH SOTHEBY'S AND I'VE BEEN IN MIAMI BEACH FOR 20 YEARS NOW AND JUST MOST RECENTLY PURCHASED A HOME IN MY FAMILY.SO I'LL INTRODUCE MYSELF AT ANOTHER POINT.
UM, AND I CAN'T WAIT TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO WALK MY FAMILY FROM SUNSET HARBOR ALL THE WAY SOUTH OF FIFTH.
SO I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT WALKABILITY.
UM, I PERSONALLY LOVE THE SLEEK DESIGN.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE SELL A LOT OF LUXURY CONDOS AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WEST AVENUE, WEST AVENUE IS BUILT FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS AND, AND NEEDS IT REALLY TO ENHANCE, ENHANCE THE MIAMI SKYLINE.
I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, GOT SO MUCH MORE POTENTIAL AND IT'S A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND I THINK THERE IS JUST A TON OF DEMAND FOR THAT.
UM, AND YEAH, LOOKING FORWARD TO BEGINNING HOSTILE, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY BEING THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE APPEAL.
AND I THINK THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT IS AMAZING AND THE WAY THEY DESIGNED IT IS BETTER THAN, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE MORE CLUNKY AND BULKY FEEL.
MY NAME IS
I'M A SOBER GUY TODAY AND I REPRESENT A COMMUNITY OF OVER 1500 PEOPLE.
THEY'RE SOBER AND WE DEFINITELY WALK THE AREA.
UH, MY BACKGROUND IS REAL ESTATE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.
I LOOKED INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE PROJECT, AND I SHOW THIS TO FEW OF MY FELLOWS.
THEY ALL AGREE IT'S A PERFECT PROJECT FOR THIS LOCATION.
I WALKED SOUTH BEACH ON A DAILY AND WEST AVENUE.
IT DEFINITELY NEEDS A PAY WORK FULLY COMPLETED, WHICH IS DEVELOPER IS WILLING TO, TO BE PART OF.
UM, REGARDING THE HOSTEL THAT NEEDS TO GO IT UP.
UM, ACTUALLY STAYED THERE IN MY DRINKING DAYS.
MIAMI B***H HAS GOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE IN THE CENTER.
I FEEL LIKE VOICE STABBING CAN BEAT THE NEXT DOWNTOWN IN BRICK RICO.
UM, IT'S THE FUTURE WHEN YOU BUILD THIS LIKE THAT, IT'S WATER VIEWS, IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PARK, WHICH IS AMAZING.
AND THE DESIGN IS JUST PERFECTLY SLEEK AND IT SHOWS, UM, A LOT ABOUT THE DEVELOPER.
AGAIN, MY BACKGROUND, IT'S REAL ESTATE, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.
I LOOKED INTO IT, I SEEN THE PRESENTATION BEFORE AND I RUN THIS BY OTHER PEOPLE.
I WALK AND I WALK A LOT, SO YES, I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE GUYS.
I'M ISABEL GERINI AND I LIVE IN WEST AVENUE NEXT DOOR TO THE 1250.
SO APART FROM SAYING THAT, UH, I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT IS GONNA BE EXTREMELY BEAUTIFUL AND IT'S GOING TO ENHANCE THE WHOLE WEST AVENUE AREA, WHICH HAS A GREAT POTENTIAL.
I ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, UH, SOMETHING MORE PRACTICAL, WHICH IS LIKE PARKING.
UH, FOR ME IT'S ALWAYS VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND, TO FIND A PLACE TO PARK MY CAR ALSO BECAUSE, UH, IT'S ALWAYS FULL FULL.
AND I BELIEVE, UM, THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING THE BIKINI HOSTEL, WHICH IS AN ANTIQUE BUILDING AND ALSO A LITTLE BIT DEGRADING FOR THE AREA, HAVING A PARKING LOT SUCH AS THAT ONE WILL BE HELPFUL FOR THE WHOLE AREA.
SO YEAH, JUST ON THE PRACTICAL SIDE, BASICALLY.
IF THEY, IF THIS PROJECT GOES THROUGH AND, AND THERE'S A PARKING GARAGE THERE THAT THEY CONVEY TO THE CITY, IS THAT GONNA BE DESIGNATED FOR WEST AVENUE RE HOW'S THAT GONNA WORK? WE DON'T KNOW.
THAT HASN'T BEEN, THAT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED OR, ALRIGHT, WILL THAT BE PART OF THESE DISCUSSIONS AND GO, I MEAN, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY PART OF THE REASON IS WEST AVENUE NEEDS PARKING FROM WHAT WE'RE HEARING, I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE IF ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S JUST A CITY GARAGE THAT YOU GO AND PAY FOR.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO WHAT I KNOW AT THIS POINT IS THAT THE, THE GARAGE IS INTENDED TO BE A PUBLIC GARAGE.
WHETHER THERE COULD BE SPACES DESIGNATED FOR, FOR NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENCE IS SOMETHING THAT THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN IDEA.
I'M ENCOURAGING THE RESIDENTS THAT IF YOU NEED PARKING, THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS? OKAY.
I'VE BEEN LIVING DOWN HERE IN MIAMI BEACH FOR ABOUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS? 12 YEARS.
I LIVE ON, UH, 12, UH, 41 WEST.
SO, UM, I'D BE EXCITED TO SEE THIS PROJECT GET, UM, GO THROUGH THE, OUT IT'S, IT LOOKS FROM THE DESIGN LIKE VERY MAJESTIC AND LIKE, JUST THE, THE WOW FACTOR OF THE, THE GREEN.
IT WOULD BE LIKE THE BIG BROTHER, BROTHER OF LIKE MONAD WHENEVER YOU WOULD DEVELOP IT.
SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD BRING A LIKE THE, WELL I'M A WELLNESS PROFESSIONAL, SO LIKE I LOVE ANYTHING THAT LIKE, IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW.
IT LOOKS LIKE A COLLEGE DORM, A TORY, SO LIKE THAT HAS TO GO FOR SURE.
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THE DETAILS AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS WILL FIGURE THAT OUT.I DON'T KNOW ABOUT A PARKING GARAGE EITHER 'CAUSE I RIDE MY BIKE AND WALK EVERYWHERE AND ROLLERBLADES, SO I DON'T KNOW.
BUT YOU NEED TO BE METH, I'M SURE YOU GOT THERE.
THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU'LL FIGURE OUT THE DETAILS.
AND MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, I DON'T, I COULDN'T EVEN THINK WHAT WOULD BE BETTER THERE, BUT LIKE WHAT'S THERE IS KIND OF DEAD SPACE RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T, I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT TO PUT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW
ALRIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS? OKAY, WE'LL GO TO ZOOM.
WE HAVE AT LEAST EIGHT CALLERS ON ZOOM.
SO I'LL START WITH THE FIRST ONE, UM, FOR US.
HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, YES.
UH, I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CHAMBER TODAY.
SO, UH, WHO CAME, YOU KNOW, WITH THE DEVELOPER'S PRESENTATION? SO I'M, UNFORTUNATELY I COULDN'T BE THERE.
UM, BUT I'LL, I'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS BRIEF.
UH, MY COMMENT TODAY IS IN STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL, A 450 FOOT SKYSCRAPER ON WEST AVENUE WITH AN FAR INCREASE UNHEARD OF TO 8.53.
I'M ALSO IMPARTIAL OPPOSITION TO YOUR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR A SLIGHTLY LESS HIGH 300 FOOT TOWER AT 5.25 FAR AS A POLICY ISSUE.
AND THIS, UH, PROBABLY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED BY THE CITY COMMISSION.
I THINK THAT STACKING UNLIMITED FAR BONUSES FOR TANGENTIAL, UH, PUBLIC BENEFIT IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY DESTROY THE UNIQUE CHARACTER OF MIAMI BEACH, ESPECIALLY AS COMPARED TO OTHER OVERDEVELOPED PARTS OF THE COUNTY.
UM, ALL OF THE CITY COMMISSIONERS WERE ELECTED ON A PLATFORM OF IN SCALE DEVELOPMENT, UH, APROPOS, WHICH YOUR STAFF DIRECTLY POINTED OUT, UM, THE INACCURATE COMPARISON MADE BY THE DEVELOPER, UH, FOR NON-CONFORMING USES TO THE WAVERLY CONDOMINIUM THAT WAS BUILT 25 YEARS AGO.
UM, UNDER COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES.
I WOULD ALSO, UM, NOTE THAT IT IS INACCURATE, UM, THAT THE BUILDINGS SURROUNDING THE PROJECT ARE WITHIN THE SAME HEIGHT.
FINALLY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UH, ADDRESS ONE POINT OF THE FAR BONUSES, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC GARAGE, UH, FOR WHICH THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A 1.25 FAR INCREASE.
AND YOUR STAFF HAS, HAS ALSO REQUESTED A ONE, UM, A MAXIMUM 1.5.
UM, THIS LOT, 1255 WEST AVENUE IS A VERY NARROW LOT UNDER 10,000 SQUARE FEET, WHOLLY INAPPROPRIATE FOR THIS PURPOSE AND INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
UM, AND APART FROM USAGE, UH, THIS BENEFIT IS IN NO WAY COMMENSURATE TO A 1.5 FAR INCREASE.
I URGE THE BOARD TO REJECT THIS PROPOSAL AND LIMIT ANY CONSIDERATION OF PUBLIC BENEFIT FAR BONUS TO A MAXIMUM OF 1.0 TO 1.25 FOR A TOTAL OF 3.75 TO 4.0 AND A HEIGHT NOT TO EXCEED 200 FEET TO BE IN SCALE OF THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS.
NEXT, OUR NEXT CALLER, UH, STEVEN STARK.
UH, I LIVE AT, UH, APARTMENT 2202 IN THE WAVERLY.
UH, UH, I HAVE SENT A LETTER TO YOU, UH, BRIAN AND TO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UM, I, I MIRROR THE COMMENTS YOU JUST RECEIVED FROM THE LAST SPEAKER.
UM, I DO BELIEVE, UH, I DO AGREE WITH THE STAFF THAT THIS IS A RIDICULOUSLY OVERSIZED PROJECT.
THAT THE THREE TIME INCREASE IN THE FAR AND THE THREE TIME INCREASE IN THE HEIGHT ALLOWANCE, I THINK IS TOTALLY INCONSISTENT WITH, UM, WHAT THE CITY HAS TRIED TO DO, WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKS LIKE AND OTHER ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO THIS.
UH, THIS WILL ABSOLUTELY BLOCK, UM, MY SOUTHERN VIEW, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT MY VIEW, BUT CERTAINLY TO THE EXTENT THAT IT IS HIGHER THAN OUR BUILDING, IT WILL CAST A MUCH LARGER SHADOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE ACTUALLY SEEN WHAT THE SHADOWS LOOK LIKE FROM HIGH BUILT BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
UH, I WILL ESSENTIALLY BE LOOKING INTO BU UH, UNITS OVER THERE.
UM, I I, I'VE LIVED ON SOUTH BEACH SINCE 2006.
I ORIGINALLY WAS AT THE FLAMINGO, WHICH FRANKLY IS A PROBLEM THAT, UH, A PROPERTY THAT HAS HAD LOTS OF PROBLEMS. UM, I THINK THAT BUILDING A, A UNIT OF THIS SIZE FOR, UM, HIGH INCOME BUYERS, UH, FOR ESSENTIALLY A HUNDRED PEOPLE, UM, AND OTHERWISE CHANGING THE
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WHOLE SCOPE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK REALLY DOES A DISSERVICE.I AGREE WITH MOST OF THE FINDINGS OF THE, OF THE STAFF, BUT I ALSO DISAGREE WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE STAFF THAT ESSENTIALLY THE DEVELOPER COMING IN AND SAYING, I WILL MAGICALLY SOLVE A PROBLEM FOR YOU.
WITH BOTH THE BAY WALK AND THE, UM, THE HOSTILE PROPERTY, WHICH HAS BEEN A LONGSTANDING PROBLEM, UH, FOR THE CITY, AND WHICH FRANKLY I THINK CAN BE SOLVED WITHOUT GIVING AWAY DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THAT ESSENTIALLY CREATE A PROPERTY THAT IS LITERALLY THREE TIMES HIGHER THAN THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR.
UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IT'S WAY OUT OF PROPORTION IN WHAT'S THERE NOW.
I THINK THE, AS-BUILT RENDERING THAT YOU SAW WILL NEVER BE BUILT, I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD COMPARISON.
UM, WE WOULD NOT OBJECT TO BUILDING ANOTHER, UM, UH, UH, UH, OF THE, OF A MONAD AS NEXT DOOR.
AND I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT OBJECT TO A SLIGHT INCREASE ABOVE THE 150.
BUT, UH, WE DISAGREE EVEN WITH THE 300 FOOT, UM, UH, PROPOSAL FROM STAFF AND WOULD ASK THAT YOU REJECT THIS PROPOSAL AND ALLOW MUCH MORE EVALUATION AND DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WITH THE DEVELOPER AND WITH OTHER PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROJECT DOESN'T LIKE RUIN THE CHARACTER OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AGAIN, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE, TODAY WE ARE NOT REJECTING OR APPROVING ANYTHING.
THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP IN A LONG PROCESS.
BUT NEXT, OUR NEXT CALLER IS JACKIE.
I AM ON THE BOARD OF 1228 WEST.
SO DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
AND WHILE I DON'T SPEAK FOR THE BOARD AT THIS TIME, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT COME TO ANY DIRECT CONCLUSIONS, I WILL SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE, UM, AS A BOARD.
AND WE WILL MOST PROBABLY BE WORKING EXTENSIVELY WITH THE DEVELOPER TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT STAFF'S REPORT AND, AND THE, AND THE WORD HOSTILE IS INTERESTING BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE SOME DRAMATIC PROPOSALS, UM, BEFORE US AND WE SHARE SOME OF STAFF'S CONCERNS.
SO WE KNOW THAT MICHAEL STERNS CAN BUILD A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.
WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO A BUILDING BEING BUILT THAT'S BEAUTIFUL AND APPROPRIATELY SCALED.
UM, I THINK HE'S GOT A GOOD TRACK RECORD DOING THAT, BUT WE WILL BE FOREVER AND AS WILL WEST AVENUE AND THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, AS YOU KNOW, AFFECTED BY WHAT ULTIMATELY IS BUILT.
I DO WANNA TELL, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD THAT THERE IS A DROUGHT, A PARKING DROUGHT.
THERE SHOULD BE NO CONFUSION IN YOUR MINDS ABOUT THE NECESSITY FOR A PARKING GARAGE IF IT'S DONE PROPERLY AND BEAUTIFULLY AND CONTEXTUALLY WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I DO THINK WE WOULD WANNA WORK WITH THE CITY ON DEDICATING SOME SPACES.
MANY BUILDINGS HAVE NO GUEST PARKING, UH, ONLY, YOU KNOW, LIMITED PARKING FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT EXIST.
AND WE ARE HAPPY THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING THAT AS PART OF THEIR PACKAGE.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY THAT'S GONNA SIT UP AND STAND UP FOR THE BIKINI
I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WOULD EXIST.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AND, AND WE AGREE WITH THAT.
UM, WE JUST LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING EXTENSIVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER.
WE HAVE A LOT OF INPUT WE LIKE TO GIVE TO ALL OF YOU, TO THE DEVELOPERS AND OBVIOUSLY TO THE CITY.
BUT WE HOPE THE CITY WILL BE OPEN TO RESERVING SOME OF THOSE POTENTIAL PARKING SPACES FOR, UH, SURROUNDING BUILDINGS.
AND HAVING SAID THAT, WE DO ENCOURAGE THIS DEVELOPMENT TO GO FORWARD.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE AS PROPOSED, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE THAT WILL BE CONTEXTUAL AND BEAUTIFUL AND I THINK MICHAEL CAN DO IT.
SO THAT'S HOW WE FEEL AT THE MOMENT.
NEXT, NEXT CALLER, NATALIA SANCHEZ.
HI, THIS IS NATALIA AND, UH, UH, DAVID GREENBERG.
I LIVE AT UNIT FIVE A AT MONAD TERRACE.
UH, ONE OF THE UNITS, UH, RIGHT ON THE BAY.
I'M A NORMAL PERSON WHO LIVES AT MONAD FULL-TIME.
UM, I WAS ORIGINALLY SKEPTICAL ABOUT A, A LARGE BUILDING, UH, BEING BUILT RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ME.
UH, BUT I MUST SAY NOW THAT I'VE HEARD THE DEVELOPERS SPEAK ABOUT THE PROPOSED BUILDING, THE MORE I THINK THIS PROJECT IS ACTUALLY GREAT FOR MONAD AND THE ENTIRE WEST AVE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I JUST DON'T THINK OTHER DEVELOPERS WOULD BRING THIS
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MUCH BENEFIT TO THE TABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WOULD BE SO CONSIDERATE TO THE LIKE, ADJACENT BUILDINGS.SO HERE'S WHAT'S JUMPING OUT TO ME FROM THE PRESENTATION.
I JUST WATCHED THE SIGNIFICANT SETBACK FROM WEST AVE AND THE BAY IS A HUGE WIN.
UM, ALSO THE BUILDING'S NOT TALLER THAN OTHER TALL BUILDINGS IN SOUTH BEACH, SO I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE ARE SAYING THE HEIGHT IS AT ALL INAPPROPRIATE OR AT A SCALE.
IT'S BASICALLY AROUND THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE OTHER TALL BUILDINGS.
UM, WE KNOW FROM MONAD, UH, I LIVE AT MONAD.
THIS IS A DEVELOPER THAT REALLY CARES ABOUT DESIGN AND STYLE.
SO THIS NEW BUILDING VERY LIKELY IS GONNA LOOK AMAZING, WHICH I THINK WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR REAL ESTATE VALUES, QUALITY OF LIFE.
SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A HUGE WIN.
UH, I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE BIKINI HOSTEL.
IT IS ABSOLUTELY A WIN TO REMOVE THE BIKINI HOSTEL.
UM, AND OF COURSE HELPING TO EXTEND THE BAY WALK, ANYTHING THAT GETS THAT DONE IS AWESOME FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO LOOK, SOMEONE'S GOING TO, TO REDEVELOP THIS PROPERTY ON WEST AVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO US.
UM, I THINK AS A CITY WE SHOULD BE SAYING YES TO DEVELOPERS WHO ARE CONSIDERATE AND WHO HAVE PROVEN TO DO A GOOD JOB IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
TO ME, IT SOUNDS LIKE OTHERS OPPOSED TO THIS ARE JUST LIKE, KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT TO THEIR UNIT AT THEIR APARTMENT, UH, NOT THE OVERALL COMMUNITY.
I LIVE AT THE WAVERLY ON SOUTH BEACH.
MY VIEW IS LOOKING WEST TO THE BAY, AND IT'S ALSO LOOKING SOUTH ABOVE MONAD TERRACE AS WELL.
I, UH, I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH MY WAVERLY NEIGHBORS WHO SPOKE BEFORE.
I WOULD MUCH PREFER A TALLER, SLIMMER BUILDING, LESS UNITS, LESS DENSITY.
UH, FURTHER SETBACK FROM THE BAY IS ALSO A HUGE WIN.
UM, AND ALSO IN MY OPINION, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN MOAD, ESPECIALLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE, LIKE THE GUY WHO JUST SPOKE, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT SPACE BETWEEN THEM AND THE NEW BUILDING.
THEY DON'T WANT A CROWDED DENSITY POPULATED, CLUNKY BUILDING.
UM, THE MOAD RESIDENTS ALSO THERE, YOU'RE USED TO A TALLER TOWER ABOVE THEM, THE WAVERLY TO THE NORTH.
SO I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD MIND AS MUCH.
UM, BACK TO THE WAVERLY PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE 30TH FLOOR OF THE WAVERLY, THEY HAVE UNITS OF THE FLAMINGO LOOKING IN THEIR BEDROOMS ALREADY, SO IT'S NOTHING NEW.
I AGREE WITH THE LAST GUY THAT, YOU KNOW, SAID IT'S MORE ABOUT PEOPLE'S INDIVIDUAL VIEWS.
AND AGAIN, I'LL TAKE BENTLEY'S NEXT DOOR OVER DRUNK TOUR THAN THE BII HOST FOR $30 A NIGHT ALL DAY, EVERY DAY.
I'M A BIG FAN OF THIS BUILDING.
THINK MICHAEL STERN DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB WITH MONAD TERRACE AND I HOPE IT GETS APPROVED.
NEXT CALLER ALEX@ITELCRAFT.COM.
I LIVE ON THE SOUTH POINT DRIVE.
I'VE BEEN IN MIAMI BEACH FOR A LONG TIME, AND, UH, THIS IS WHAT I CALL HOME.
UH, I THINK MOVING FORWARD THIS CITY NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED AND I THINK IT'S UNAVOIDABLE.
UH, THIS A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.
AND WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT? SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A GREAT BUILDING, SUBSTANTIAL, PRETTIER AND SLICKER FROM WEBERLEY AND FLAMINGO THAT THEY'RE SO BIG AND HEAVY AND AND WIDE.
UH, I BELIEVE IT BALANCES WELL WITH A FIVE PARK AND ALL THE OTHER TALL BUILDINGS AROUND LESS DENSITY.
SO, SO IMPORTANT FOR THE TRAFFIC.
THE TRAFFIC IS STABLE INTO THAT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHOEVER GOES, AND NOT NOW WITH, WITH THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT ALL THE TIME.
SO THIS DEVELOPER, UH, HAS ALREADY PROVEN HIMSELF WITH MONAD.
I SEE BY SEA WHEN I GO, UH, BY BOAT.
I MEAN, THE BUILDING IS BEAUTIFUL.
SO THAT'S A CHANCE TO HAVE ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.
UH, THE BEGINNING HOSTEL, I DON'T HAVE TO SAY MUCH.
EVERYBODY HATES IT, SO IT'S GONNA BE ELIMINATED.
PUBLIC PARKING IS ALWAYS A PLUS.
EVERYBODY LOVES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BOARDWALK THAT WE HAVE, SOUTH BEACH ON THE OTHER SIDE IN CALLED IN OCEAN DRIVE, GOING UP NORTH IS AMAZING.
SO VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, UM, ABOUT THE SKYLINE.
EVERYBODY LOVES THE SKYLINE IN MIAMI, DOWNTOWN IN SOUTH BEACH.
AND IN ORDER TO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL SKYLINE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
YOU CANNOT HAVE A BUILDING WITH 50 FEET BIGGER OR 20 FEET HIGHER THAN THAN THE OTHER ONE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTREMES.
AND THIS IS WHAT MAKE, YOU KNOW WHAT MAKE THE THE SKYLAND BETTER.
I WOULD SAY DON'T DISCOURAGE THIS DEVELOPER.
UH, YOU'RE GONNA DISCOURAGE ALL DEVELOPER AND WEST
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AVENUE IS GONNA LOOK ALL FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL SKYLINE.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE IT.
THE NEXT CALLER JUST HAS THE NAME.
WE MAY NOT KNOW JUST ON UNMUTE YOURSELF.
YEAH, JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR ADDRESS.
AND, UM, BESIDES APOLOGIZING FOR NOT HAVING MY NAME ON MY PHONE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT.
UM, I ALSO DIDN'T PREPARE ANYTHING TODAY.
I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, SEEM TO HAVE PREPARED THEIR SPEECHES AND HAVE A VERY STRONG OPINION, EITHER PRO OR CON.
I CAME WITH A VERY, UM, OPEN MIND.
UM, AND I DON'T REALLY, UM, I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY THAT SAID IT SHOULDN'T BE A PERSONAL VIEW OR IF IT'S AFFECTING MY UNIT OR NOT.
IT SHOULD BE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? AND WHAT MADE ME RAISE MY HAND, UM, AND, AND REALLY, UH, DECIDE FOR, FOR MY SIDE AND, AND I'M GONNA OPPOSE TO THIS PROJECT, IS WHEN I HEARD SOMEONE ON THE FLOOR SAYING, WE'RE GONNA BECOME BRICKLE.
LIKE, BRICO IS AMAZING AND DOWNTOWN AND WE ALL LOVE.
THAT'S WHY I DON'T LIVE THERE.
I THINK WE'RE VERY DIFFERENT FROM BRICKLE AND I HOPE WE DON'T BECOME BRICKLE.
SO IF, IF STARTING WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND I DO APPRECIATE THE MONNET.
I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.
I THINK THE PROJECT THAT I JUST SAW, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE MONNET.
SO IT'S A VERY HIGH RISE AND, AND BRICKLE STYLE.
AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT MADE ME SPEAK.
UM, SO I REALLY HOPE THAT, UH, THE REPRESENTATIVES THAT WE ELECT DO NOT ALLOW US TO BECOME BRICKLE.
UH, OTHERWISE WE WOULD LIVE THERE, RIGHT? UM, SO THIS IS MIAMI BEACH.
UM, THE SMALL BUILDINGS, THE ART DECO.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT MAKES US RIGHT.
AND I HOPE THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE CONTINUE.
AND THE MONNET IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU CAN DEVELOP, UM, STARTING PUTTING THIS HIGH RISES AND BECOMING BRICK IS WHAT I HOPE WE DON'T GO.
WE HAVE, UH, FOUR MORE AT THIS POINT, CALLERS.
UM, THE NEXT ONE, NEXT PERSON IS STEVE.
UH, HI, MY NAME IS STEVE DICKENS.
I AM A RESIDENT OF THE WAVERLY.
UM, I, MY VIEW, MY UNIT LOOKS SOUTH OVER THE MONAD DIRECTLY AT THE SIDE OF THIS PROPOSED BUILDING.
UM, AND ALL THIS IDEA THAT SOMEHOW IT IS NOT COMMUNITY ORIENTED IF YOU ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE YOUR OWN VIEW, KIND OF DOESN'T LAND WELL WITH ME.
UM, WHAT IS COMMUNITY ORIENTED IS HAVE THE RULE OF LAW.
AND WHEN I BOUGHT THIS UNIT, I LOOKED AT WHAT THE LAWS WERE.
AND I SAW THAT MY VIEW WOULD BE PROTECTED.
AND NOW WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT MY VIEW, APPARENTLY PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO HAVE IT JUST THROWN UNDER THE BUS.
FOR A DEVELOPER WHO'S PRIMARILY OFFERING A PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE IS BY FAR THE BIGGEST OF THESE BENEFITS.
WHEN I CAN LOOK DOWN AND SEE A PARKING GARAGE THAT BLOCKS SOUTH, WHICH NEVER HAS CARS ON ITS UPPER LEVEL, AND IT'S NEAR, AS I CAN TELL, IS RARELY EVER FULL AT ALL, WHICH HAS FAR MORE EMPTY SPACES THAN THE ONES THAT ARE GETTING LOST ON WEST AVENUE.
SO I I I IT IS NOT BE NOT COMMUNITY TO TRY TO PROTECT LAW AND ORDER WHEN YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH THE TROUBLE TO FIGURE THIS OUT YOURSELF.
YOU KNOW, IF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS NEVER LOOKED AT THE ZONING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WAS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY I SHOULD SUFFER BECAUSE OF THAT IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
BEYOND THAT, WHEN I READ THE STAFF REPORT, AS NEAR AS I CAN TELL, THE DEVELOPER JUST KIND OF SUCCESSFULLY SHIFTED THE CENTER OF THE ARGUMENT BECAUSE STAFF COMES UP WITH 300 FEET.
THEY DON'T EVEN SAY WHY THAT'S BETTER THAN 420, THAT THE, THE DEVELOPER IS OFFERING, UH, MUCH LESS ANY RATIONALE FOR WHY THE HEIGHT SHOULD BE A BONUS THEY GO THROUGH IN THE REPORT.
UM, THEY SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT THE CURRENT MAXIMUM FAR FOR THE SITE IS CONTAINED WITHIN THE FIRST 11 FLOORS OF THE NEW BUILDING.
EVEN WITH VERY GENEROUS CEILINGS, 11 FLOORS WILL FIT WITHIN 150 FEET.
OR ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS YOU CAN HAVE SOME REASONABLE MODEST BONUS FAR AND STILL FIT IT WITHIN 150 FEET.
THERE IS NO REASON TO GO TO 300 FEET OR 420 OR ANYTHING ABOVE WHAT THE LAW HAS IN THERE WITHOUT SOMETHING TRULY EXCEPTIONAL LIKE THE PARK, WHICH, UM, WHICH WAS GIVEN TO US.
AND I WILL JUST SAY IN TERMS OF NEIGHBORHOOD, DO WE WANT WEST AVENUE TO BE EDGEWATER? BECAUSE THAT'S THE ESSENTIAL PRECEDENT YOU'RE SETTING HERE,
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WHERE EVERY SINGLE WATERFRONT BUILDING IS TURNING INTO A 650 FOOT TOWER OF SUPER PRIME RESIDENCES.UM, WHERE MOST OF THE PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN THERE.
AND A LOT OF THEM ARE CURRENCY SINKS.
AND SOME OF THAT'S LAUNDERED MONEY.
I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO BE EDGEWATER.
AND EVEN COMING DOWN TO THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A CITY'S HAVING BURIED SKYLINES, EDGEWATER INCREASINGLY DOESN'T
INCREASINGLY IT HAS A HEDGE OF BUILDINGS AT 650 FEET TALL.
SO, AND WHAT'S WHAT STATE DOESN'T HAPPEN HERE.
THE BOARD ALLOWS THIS AND THE COMMISSION ALLOWS THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, WELL, BAYVIEW TERRACE IS PROBABLY NEXT.
AND WHAT ABOUT SOUTHERN TOWERS? AND REALLY ANY OF THEM, BECAUSE WHEN YOUR INCENTIVE IS SUDDENLY TO GO THREE TIMES AS TALL OR EVEN TO GO HIGHER AT ALL YOUR INCENTIVES TO SELL OUT.
'CAUSE WE'RE SEEING THAT HAPPENING ON BUILDING AFTER BUILDING, AFTER BUILDING IN EDGEWATER, UM, AND IN THE WATERFRONT PART OF BRICKLE TOO.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE TO THINK OF THIS PRESIDENT HERE THAT YOU'RE SETTING, THAT PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF WHO LOOKED AT THE LAW WOULD GET THROWN UNDER THE BUS.
AND THAT YOU'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT EVERYONE ELSE GETS THROWN UNDER THE BUS TOO.
IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE ESSENTIALLY EVERYONE LOSES THEIR VIEWS BECAUSE, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE DOMINO EFFECT.
SO I THINK I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTER.
THIS SHOULD BE DOA, THAT, UM, THE DEVELOPER HAS SHOWN WITH MONAD THAT HE CAN BUILD WITHIN THE 150 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT.
BEAUTIFULLY WONDERFUL UNITS, GREAT LOOKING BUILDING.
ARE WE GOTTA LET YOU GO, STEVE? IT'S, WE, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR INPUT, BUT YOU'RE NOW REPEATING YOURSELF, SO WE'RE GONNA GO ONTO THE NEXT CALLER.
NEXT CALLER IS, UH, DEBORAH CAST.
HELLO, HOW ARE YOU? THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS WITH YOU ALL.
I'M HONOR OF THE FLORIDIAN BUILDING AND I REALLY BELIEVE, AND I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HOLDS A FUTURE FOR A, A POTENTIAL, A REFINEMENT AND OFFERING, OFFERING TO ALL OF, UH, US AS A RESIDENTS, A TOTAL A TOUCH OF SOPHISTICATION.
IT'S TIME FOR MIAMI BEACH TO MOVE AWAY FROM THIS OUTDATED SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES AESTHETIC TO EMBRACE A MORE UPSCALE AMBIENCE WHILE PROVIDING ITS ICON CHARM BECAUSE IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
BUT IT'S OBSD THAT TRANSFORMATION IS ESSENTIAL FOR MIAMI BEACH TO REMAIN T AND AVOID BECOMING OBSOLETE AS SCENES IN GROWTH OF NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR TO THE BAY.
BY DOING SO, WE CREATED COMMUNITIES THAT WILL EVOLVE INTO MORE EXCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENT, WELCOMING HIGH END DEVELOPMENTS THAT WILL ONLY IBR OR QUALITY OF LIFE AS RESIDENTS.
I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT I CAN, UM, THAT THIS WILL APPEAL, UM, MIAMI BEACH AND I'M VERY SUPPORTING OF THIS WONDERFUL PROJECT AND I'M VERY HAPPY AND PLEASED THAT BIKINI HOSTEL IS BEING REPLACED IN, IN A, IN A, A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR NEXT CALLER IS, UH, DANIEL ERALDO.
DANIEL ERALDO HERE WITH MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAD.
AND, UM, I REMEMBER GROWING UP IN, UH, HERE AND SEEING WHERE YOU COULD WALK AND SEE THE BAY EASILY.
THERE WAS A LOT OF HOUSING FOR RESIDENTS THAT WORK HERE.
UH, AND THEN ONE DAY IT WAS BOUGHT UP AND ALL THE BUILDINGS WERE KNOCKED DOWN AND REPLACED WITH A LUXURY CONDO ALSO CALLED MONAD TERRACE.
IN SPITE OF THE LOSS OF THESE RESIDENTS, AT LEAST A NEW BUILDING WAS BEAUTIFUL WITHIN THE EXISTING ZONING ENVELOPE.
NOW, NEXT DOOR, ANOTHER CONDO TAKEOVER IS HAPPENING.
ARE THE RESIDENTS OF THAT CONDO THERE TODAY TO SPEAK IS THE VISION OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THIS PLANNING BOARD TO ONLY HAVE NEW LUXURY HOMES AND CONDOS THAT ARE OUT OF REACH, EXCEPT FOR ONLY THE MOST WEALTHY.
SEEMS LIKE ANOTHER SOLUTION LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM.
HOW ABOUT WE ADDRESS CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES AT THE, THE HOSTEL WITHOUT A HIGHRISE BEING THE ONLY SOLUTION? WHERE IS THAT IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? IS THERE ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT OF THIS PROPOSAL? WHAT IS A REAL PUBLIC BENEFIT? CAN WE FIND PARKING AND ADDRESS THE HOSTEL WITHOUT A MAJOR UP ZONING FOR AN ALL LUXURY HIGH RISE? AND FINALLY, IN AN ERA WHERE TALLAHASSEE IS ALREADY PREEMPTING OUR ZONING RIGHTS, ARE WE REALLY GOING TO BE RUSHING INTO A MAJOR UPZONING WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE STATE WILL MAKE THAT APPLY THROUGHOUT
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THE CITY? AND I POINT YOU TO FIFTH AND ALTON, WE WERE TOLD THIS COULD ONLY HAPPEN HERE AND NOW WE'RE DEALING WITH THE PROSPECT OF HIGH RISES EVEN ALONG OCEAN DRIVE.SO I URGE YOU, YOU TO PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN PROCEEDING WITH CHANGING ZONING.
UM, OUR NEXT CALLER IS ISABELLA GOMEZ.
HEY EVERYONE, MY NAME IS ISABELLA GOMEZ AND I RESIDE ON WEST AVENUE.
I THINK THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO PRIORITIZE AND ENHANCE THE SAFETY AND THE SECURITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, ESPECIALLY BY REMOVING THAT BIKINI HOSTEL.
THIS PROJECT WILL ALSO BOOST, I THINK, OUR LOCAL ECONOMY AND INTRODUCE LUXURY LIVING IN, IN MIAMI BEACH.
AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL ALIGN PERFECTLY WITH MIAMI BEACH VISION TO CREATE A, A MORE SAFE AND AND VIBRANT COMMUNITY.
OUR NEXT CALLER IS, UH, ERIC MARSHALL.
HI, ERIC MARSHALL, RESIDENT OF THE WAVERLY AND WEST AVENUE RESIDENCE SINCE 2001.
AND WOW, YOU GUYS PUT IN SOME HOURS.
I I STOPPED BY THAT OFFICE AT 10 THIS MORNING.
AND YOU'RE ON ITEM THREE OR FOUR AND THREE O'CLOCK.
UM, I'M THE ONE THAT SUBMITTED THE PLANNING AND, UH, VISUAL AUDIO VISUAL AIDS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, OCTOBER 14TH, I BELIEVE'S PART OF THE MINUTES THERE.
UM, AS A, AS AN ATTORNEY, I SAW THAT LETTER OF INTENT AND I, AND I WENT THROUGH IT, UH, YOU KNOW, AND ITEMIZED THE DIFFERENT ONES ABOUT THE RESILIENCY CODE.
AND I WASN'T SURE IF I WAS DOING IT CORRECTLY.
AND THEN I SAW THE REPORT BY MR. MOONEY, AND SINCE WE AGREED ON MOST OF THEM, I FELT LIKE I DID.
UH, YOU KNOW, WITH REGARDS TO THE DIFFERENT CRITERIA, I, I SEE THAT YOU'RE DOING YOUR DILIGENCE, WHICH IS CERTAINLY APPRECIATIVE.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR THE DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS FROM THE WEST AVENUE, FROM FROM DIFFERENT RESIDENTS.
MY BUILDING IS ALREADY, MY VIEW IS BLOCKED BY THE MONAD, SO IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL WITH ME.
UH, IT'S MORE SO JUST, I WAS IN DOWNTOWN MIAMI YESTERDAY, UH, ON SUNDAY.
WE GO DOWN EVERY SUNDAY AND THOSE BUILDINGS ARE SO CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER.
THERE'S, THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS, BUT THEY'RE ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, AND SO I, I CAN'T IMAGINE HAVING A BUILDING.
AND THEN SIX MONTHS OR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, THERE'S ANOTHER BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO IT WHERE SO HALF OF THEIR VIEW IS DONE AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THIS WILL JUST BE A DOMINO EFFECT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE MY PRESENCE KNOWN THAT I'VE BEEN LISTENING ALL DAY.
I SENT IT IN A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
I REALIZED WE'RE EARLY IN THE PROCESS AND AS A WAVERLY BOARD MEMBER, I I HEARD THE 1228.
WE HAVEN'T TAKEN AN OFFICIAL POSITION WITH REGARDS TO THAT, BUT YOU CERTAINLY HEAR WAVERLY CALLERS CALLING IN.
I, I'VE SPOKEN WITH TOM EVA, I CERTAINLY WILL BE PARTAKING IN THE PROCESS TO, TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA PUT MY HEAD IN THE SAND AND SAY DEAD ON ARRIVAL, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, FOR SURE ON FIRST REVIEW, SEEING IT KNOCKED OFF 150 FEET AND MAYBE THERE'S MORE TO GO.
BUT AGAIN, THANKS FOR THE TIME AND I JUST WANTED TO CALL IN AND LET MY MYSELF KNOW.
AGAIN, OUR LAST CALLER IS MARTIN MOELLER.
I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF WAVERLY AND I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY ABSOLUTE FIRM OPPOSITION TO THE REQUESTED AMENDMENTS, TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TO INSIST THAT THE DEVELOPER OF 1250 WEST AVENUE BE ALLOWED TO BUILD ONLY A MATTER OF RIGHT PROJECT ON THE SITE AND NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES A TALLER TOWER.
I SPEAK NOT ONLY AS A RESIDENT OF A NEIGHBORING BUILDING, BUT ALSO AS AN ARCHITECTURAL CURATOR, HISTORIAN, AND EDUCATOR.
MUCH OF MY RESEARCH HAS DEALT WITH URBAN HISTORY AND SPECIFICALLY WHAT MAKES CITIES SUCCESSFUL OR UNSUCCESSFUL.
THIS PROPOSED TOWER IS PRECISELY THE SORT OF PROJECT THAT THREATENS A UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOOD SUCH AS OURS, ARCHITECTURALLY, SOCIALLY, ENVIRONMENTALLY AND ULTIMATELY SURPRISINGLY ECONOMICALLY.
THE SCALE WOULD DWARF NOT ONLY ADJACENT BUILDINGS ON THE WATERFRONT, BUT ALSO THE LOW RISE INLAND NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS ESSENTIAL TO THE CHARACTER OF SOUTH BEACH.
THE PROJECT IS OBVIOUSLY AIMED AT THE, SO-CALLED SUPER PRIME MARKET, MEANING THAT IT WOULD BE ONLY LIGHTLY OCCUPIED FOR MOST OF THE YEAR.
AND ITS OWNERS WOULD DO ALMOST NOTHING TO SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES OR STREET LIFE.
AS WE ALL KNOW PERFECTLY WELL WITH ALL OF THOSE APARTMENTS WOULD BE AIR CONDITIONED, YEAR ROUND POOL WOULD BE METICULOUSLY MAINTAINED AND UNTOLD ENERGY AND OTHER RESOURCES WOULD BE EXPENDED AS THE UNITS SIT ALMOST EMPTY.
BUT IT'S ON THE ECONOMIC FRONT.
THE PROJECTS SUCH AS THIS ARE MOST DAMAGING ULTIMATELY.
AND FIRST OF COURSE, IT'S LIKE THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IS A BOON TO CITY COFFERS.
IF AMENDMENTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ARE GRANTED FOR THIS PROPOSAL, EVEN AT 300 FEET, LET ALONE 420 FEET, THEN THAT PLAN IS RENDERED MEANINGLESS.
EVERY OLDER BUILDING IN SOUTH BEACH WOULD SUDDENLY HAVE A VIRTUAL TARGET
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ON ITS BACK.THE MARKET WOULD SHIFT IMMEDIATELY TO ONE IN WHICH ALL PROPERTIES BECOME VALUED, SOLELY BASED ON THEIR ABILITY TO BE TRANSFORMED INTO SUPER LUXURY COMPLEXES THAT WOULD MAXIMIZE PROFITS FOR THE DEVELOPERS.
THAT BEGINS WHAT I CALL THE TERMINAL SUPER PRIME CASCADE IN WHICH THE COMMUNITY FACES ACCELERATING POPULATION LOSS CLOSURES OF LOCAL SHOPS, RESTAURANTS, AND OTHER BUSINESSES IN DESTRUCTION OF HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL FABRIC AND CULTURE.
I'M WELL AWARE THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL EXISTING BUILDINGS, INCLUDING MY OWN, THAT EXCEED THE 150 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT.
BUT THESE WERE BUILT IN A DIFFERENT ERA AND AIMED AT A VERY DIFFERENT MARKET.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT MUST BE ASSESSED BASED ON HOW THINGS STAND TODAY AND TODAY OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR CITY ARE AT GREAT RISK FROM DEVELOPMENT THAT SERVES ONLY THE INVESTORS AND NOT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
THIS TOWER WILL LOOM OVER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, EVEN AT 300 FEET, SERIOUSLY COMPROMISE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND OPEN THE FLOODGATES FOR OUTSCALE DEVELOPMENT.
PLEASE DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO LIMIT THIS AND OTHER PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS THROUGHOUT SOUTH BEACH TO NO MORE THAN 150 FEET IN HEIGHT.
WE KNOW PERFECTLY WELL THAT THE DEVELOPER CAN BUILD A BEAUTIFUL, PROFITABLE BUILDING IN THAT EXISTING ENVELOPE BECAUSE THEY DID IT AT MONAD TERRACE AND THEY CAN DO IT AGAIN AND SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO GO BEYOND THAT.
OKAY, WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE CALLERS NOW THAT I SAID WE HAD DONE.
ALRIGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT? WELL, ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, MONAD TERRACE.
PLEASE KEEP JUST ANYONE SPEAKING GOING FORWARD.
IF YOU'RE REITERATING WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, JUST TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF.
UM, I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER AT MONA TERRACE, SO I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF AS I'M SURE I WILL BE VERY INVOLVED IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
SO ANYTHING YOU GUYS CAN DO TO MINIMIZE THE DAMAGE TO OUR BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, IT WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED.
UM, I'VE BEEN THE GENERAL MANAGER FOR TWO YEARS THERE, SO I DO KNOW MY BUILDING, LIKE THE P PALM OF MY HANDS AND THERE'S MANY THINGS THAT WORRY ME, BUT I DO TRUST THAT THIS PROCESS WILL GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, MANY MEETINGS AND MANY THINGS THAT WOULD HAPPEN PRIOR TO MAKING VERY IMPORTANT DECISIONS.
UM, I DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY THAT HAS GIVEN GREAT COMMENTS ABOUT MON TERRACE AND ALSO CARE ABOUT MONNET AS A BUILDING.
EVERYBODY FROM THE, FROM THE WAVERLY.
UM, SO MOSTLY I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND, AND WE HOPE THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A SEAMLESS PROCESS.
AND PLEASE KEEP PARTICIPATING IN THE PROCESS.
OKAY, THE NEXT, THE NEXT COLOR IS, UH, CANDACE.
CANDACE, CAN YOU, HI, CAN YOU HEAR ME? HELLO? YES.
MY NAME IS CANDACE AND I'M A RESIDENT OF MIAMI BEACH FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS.
UM, I HAVE, I'M A CONDO OWNER OF BOTH PRIMARY AND INVESTMENT PROPERTIES THERE.
UM, I LIVE ON BELL ISLAND AND JUST TO MENTION ABOUT THE STYLE OF MO OF UH, THIS NEW PROJECT COMING FORWARD.
I LIVE IN A COLONIAL STYLE BUILDING AND IT'S A CONSTANT FIGHT.
WHITE PEOPLE WANNA TRY TO MODERNIZE THIS BUILDING.
SO IT SEEMS TO BE WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS IS THIS MODERN STYLE IN MIAMI BEACH.
AND, UM, ANOTHER ANOTHER POINT I WANNA BRING UP IS THAT TALKING ABOUT THIS BEING, MAKING THE AREA UNAFFORDABLE, BUT THESE OLDER BUILDINGS ARE BECOMING UNAFFORDABLE.
UM, I ALSO HAVE A UNIT IN HISTORICAL BUILDING AND BETWEEN THE REPAIRS AND ASSESSMENTS, A LOT OF OF PEOPLE HAVE TO SELL BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD IT AND THE BUILDING IS DETERIORATING.
ALSO, I DO USE THE VENETIAN CAUSEWAY TO RUN, WALK AND JUST ENJOY BEING OUTSIDE.
AND THAT HAS BECOME KIND OF A HAZARD BETWEEN THE SCOOTERS, THE BIKES, EVERYTHING GOING ON.
I THINK THE BAY WALK IS A HUGE BENEFIT FOR THE HEALTH AND THE WELLBEING OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND ALSO THE BUILDING IS JUST, IT'S VERY TASTEFULLY DONE AND IT'S IN LINE WITH THE FUTURE OF MIAMI, THE FUTURE OF CONSTRUCTION.
AND I WOULD URGE ANYONE THAT'S AFRAID THAT THIS IS GONNA START LOOKING LIKE AN AREA OF BRICKLE OR EDGEWATER, I WOULD REALLY URGE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT MONAD.
'CAUSE IT WAS DONE VERY TASTEFULLY.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF GREENERY AROUND.
AND WHERE MIAMI BEACH, I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER GOING TO HAVE THAT FEEL OF BRICKLE.
AND IT'S DONE, UH, VERY DISCREETLY, TASTEFULLY.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN REALLY GET BETTER THAN THAT.
AND THEN MY LAST POINT ABOUT THE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY IS THE PARKING AND, UM, PARKING ON WEST AVENUE IS REALLY DIFFICULT.
I EVEN NOTICED RECENTLY THAT THE WHOLE FOODS PARKING LOT HAD MADE IT NOW PUBLIC PARKING.
AND I ASSUME THAT THAT'S FROM LACK OF CITY PARKING.
SO THOSE ARE JUST KIND OF THE POINTS I WANNA BRING UP.
AND I AM ACTUALLY REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD.
I'M JUST SO HAPPY ALL THE RESIDENTS AGREE.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW.
IS MICHAEL STERN RAISED THIS HAND AGAIN? NO.
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HIS HAND IS RAISED AGAIN.ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE CLOSING A PUBLIC HEARING OTHER THAN YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT.
SO YEAH, JUST TWO MINUTES MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND JUST REMEMBER, THIS IS EXPLORATORY.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT MORE TO GO HERE.
SO WE'RE NOT MAKING DECISIONS.
I'M NOT GONNA REBUT THE 20 SPEAKERS AT ALL.
UM, JUST THAT WE DO UNDERSTAND IT'S OUR OBLIGATION TO REACH OUT TO OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS.
JACQUE LADON IS A FRIEND EVEN, AND SHE'LL BE TOUGH ON ME.
UM, AND SHE'S ON THE BOARD AT 1228 MONAD TERRACE.
WE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT, AS YOU HEARD, THERE'S A RANGE OF OPINION COMING FROM THE WAVERLY, BUT WE WILL STILL REACH OUT TO ALL OF THEM.
WE DON'T BELIEVE OUR JOB IS DONE, WE'RE JUST BEGINNING OUR OUTREACH EFFORTS AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP ON GOING.
UM, MICHAEL, CAN I STOP YOU THERE ON THE OUTREACH, UH, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH NEIGHBORS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER, WHETHER UH, BUILDINGS OR, OR GROUPS OR ANYTHING, CAN I JUST ASK THAT THERE BE TRANSPARENCY SINCE, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BIG ASK OF THE PUBLIC OF THE HEIGHT AND THE FAR MM-HMM.
IT HAS TO BE, IT'S A CODE REQUIREMENT.
SO WITH REGARD TO THE DOMINO EFFECT, YOU KNOW, AND THE APPROVAL OF THIS BEING SOME TYPE OF, UH, CATALYST TO DEMO'S, OLD CONDO, IF YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN THE CONDO BUILDINGS ON WEST AVENUE OR IN BELL ISLE, MOST OF 'EM ARE IN EXCELLENT SHAPE.
EVEN 1228 WEST AVENUE IS IN GREAT SHAPE.
YOU START DOWN IN BENTLEY BAY, GO TO THE FLORIDIAN.
THESE HAVE BEEN WELL-MAINTAINED BUILDINGS.
SO THIS IS DEFINITELY, CERTAINLY A ONE-OFF BASED ON ITS STRUCTURAL CONDITION.
I DON'T THINK THE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE NEARLY AS IN BAD OF A SHAPE AS THIS ONE.
SO I DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO THIS THEORY OF THE DOMINO EFFECT.
AND HONESTLY, THE LAST POINT IS THIS IS REALLY LIKE A ANTI LIVE LOCAL ACT.
I HEARD DANIEL REFERENCE STATE PREEMPTION, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE.
YOU KNOW, WE LIVE LOCAL ACT DOES NOT APPLY TO THE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS, BUT THE PHILOSOPHY OF US IS VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO LIVE LOCAL IDEA OF JUST GOING IN PREEMPTING LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND DOING WHAT WE WANT.
WE'RE ENGAGING IN DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU, WITH THE CITY ADMINISTRATION, WITH THE ELECTED OFFICIALS TRYING TO WIN NEIGHBOR SUPPORT AND OFFERING SUBSTANTIAL PUBLIC BENEFITS PACKAGE THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO IF THIS WAS A LIVE LOCAL ACT DEVELOPMENT.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, UH, MICHAEL, I ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT OUTREACH, I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH, THE BUILDINGS BEHIND THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE NEAR, THEY HAVE GOT TO BE CONTACTED.
AND THIS IS, IT'S TOO, IT'S TOO IMPORTANT, UM, TO THE EAST, RIGHT? ANY, ANY BUILDINGS BEHIND IT, ANY OF THE SMALLER BUILDINGS, ANYTHING THAT, THAT EVEN IS, YOU KNOW, GOES FROM WEST JUST NORTH.
IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT THEY'D BE CONTACTED.
UM, YEAH, AND JUST BE, I WANT Y ALL TO BEAR IN MIND IS THAT THIS IS COME RECOMMENDATIONS TO THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA GO FORWARD WITH PUBLIC OUTREACH.
AND SO, I MEAN, I KNOW WE HEARD A THOUSAND COMMENTS, SO I'LL BE PRETTY QUICK.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WHAT WE'VE HEARD IS A, A LOT OF PEOPLE WANNA SEE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE OLDER BUILDINGS ON WEST AVENUE AND THEY'D LIKE TO SEE 'EM REDEVELOPED.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S AGAINST THAT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS REALLY OUT OF SCALE WITH NOT JUST WEST AVENUE, WITH THE CITY IN GENERAL.
AND BASICALLY THERE'S A BUILDING THERE NOW.
AND IF YOU ASK MOST PEOPLE IN THE CITY, THEY, UH, I DON'T LIKE THAT BILL.
WE SHOULD NEVER DO THAT AGAIN.
WE DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANNA SEE THAT AGAIN.
AND, AND HERE WE ARE NOW DOING THE SAME THING AGAIN.
UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE CITY AND THIS AND THAT.
TRY TO GET FAR HEIGHT, ALL SORTS OF THINGS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT GOES THROUGH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA END UP IS ANOTHER WITH END UP WITH IS ANOTHER BUILDING THERE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, AH, WE CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN AGAIN.
SO I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S WAY TOO MUCH.
I MEAN, I OPEN TO STILL TALKING, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD THE DEVELOPER BUILT THE OTHER PRO, UH, BUILDING NEXT TO THERE, NOWHERE NEAR WHAT THIS ONE LOOKS LIKE.
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FINANCIALLY OR WILL BE FINANCIALLY SUCCESSFUL.UM, IF ON THIS SITE HE WANTS TO GO A LITTLE HIGHER THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE, I'D BE OPEN TO THAT.
I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, BUT, BUT THIS IS JUST, I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REACH REACHING FOR LITERALLY REACHING FOR THE SKY.
AND I THINK IT'S DANGEROUS FOR THE CITY TO GO DOWN THE ROUTE OF, WELL, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPER'S GONNA SAY, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO AND LET ME, I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD USE THIS TERM, BUT GREASE THE WHEELS BY SAYING, WE'RE TO BUILD THIS FOR YOU.
THIS, WE'RE GONNA MAKE UP YOUR SHORTFALL HERE FOR THIS PROJECT TO GET IT DONE.
I, THAT'S, THAT I THINK IS THE MOST DANGEROUS PART ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL.
I THINK IT'S A LOT ALSO, I MEAN, IT IS MM-HMM,
UM, I IT IS REACH FOR THIS MOON AND SETTLE FOR THE STARS AT SOME POINT IN REAL ESTATE.
BUT, UM, I THINK ALSO THAT IT, LIKE YOU SAID, IT IS THE ANTI LIVE LOCAL AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE SEEING A LOT MORE OF THAT AND BECAUSE THAT'S THE NATURE OF REAL ESTATE, UM, AND WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL AND THOUGHTFUL OF, OF THE THINGS THAT WE, THAT WE DO UP HERE.
AND, UM, AGAIN, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REACH OUT TO EVERYBODY AND GET THEIR THOUGHTS AND I'M JUST, I THINK IT'S JUST A LOT.
IT'S, I DO, I'M SHOCKED TO HEAR THAT EVERYBODY WANTS PARKING WHEN I HAVE BEEN TOLD THE OPPOSITE AND, AND I KNOW THAT WE NEED IT.
BUT, UM, I'M JUST THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A KNOCKOUT PROJECT.
UM, BUT I, AGAIN, IT'S, THANK YOU.
I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCLOSE, BUT I MET WITH, UH, MICHAEL AND NICHOLAS AND, AND THE DEVELOPER AT, UM, AT THIS LOCATION.
AND I ACTUALLY DIDN'T KNOW, UH, THAT THIS DEVELOPER, HE'S BUILT A LOT, UH, AR AROUND AROUND THE COUNTRY, SOME REALLY WELL KNOWN BUILDINGS.
UM, THE STEINWAY TOWER IN NEW YORK CITY, IT'S THE THIRD TALLEST BUILDING IN MANHATTAN, OVER 1400 FEET AND IN BROOKLYN, THE BROOKLYN TOWER IS OVER A THOUSAND FEET BY FAR THE TALLEST IN BROOKLYN.
UH, THESE ARE REALLY MAGNIFICENT BUILDINGS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, GREAT ARCHITECTURE THERE DOWN IN MIAMI.
HE'S DOING IN BRICKELL A THOUSAND FOOTER AT 8 8 8, UH, BRICKELL AVENUE AND ANOTHER ONE ACROSS FROM THE, UH, THE METRO RAIL STATION IN BRICKELL AS WELL.
UH, SO CERTAINLY WE KNOW HE CAN GO HIGH AND WE SEE MONAN TERRACE, MO MONAN TERRACE, HE CAN GO LOW.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT ATTRACTS PEOPLE TO MIAMI BEACH? I, I THINK A LOT AND WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM OTHERS AS WELL, IT'S A, IT'S A LOW RISE, MEDIUM DENSITY CITY.
AND WE HAVE THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT TO DO THAT.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WALKABLE, WALKABLE AND BIKEABLE STREETS.
WE HAVE FROM MIAMI ANYWAY, A PRETTY ROBUST PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM, FREQUENT BUSES, UH, THE TROLLEY SYSTEM AS WELL IN SOUTH PEACH TREES ARE JUST A BLOCK OR TWO FROM THIS LOCATION.
UH, SO I WANNA TAKE A DIFFERENT STAB AT THIS.
UH, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYONE MENTION YET, BUT THE, AND I MENTIONED THIS TO THE DEVELOPER AS WELL.
THE, MY CONCERN BESIDES OBVIOUSLY THE INCREASE IN FAR AND SUBSTANTIAL HEIGHT IS THE DECREASE IN DENSITY THAT IS BEING SOLD AS A POSITIVE HERE, UH, GOING DOWN TO 55 UNITS PER ACRE MAXIMUM.
AND, UM, I PULLED UP THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF THE CITY AND THE DIFFERENT, UH, FUTURE LAND USE MAP CATEGORIES, SOMETHING THIS LOW IS UNHEARD OF IN SUCH A HIGH, HIGH DENSITY, HIGH INTENSITY AREA.
IN FACT, MICHAEL, CAN YOU, CAN YOU THINK OF ANY OTHER AREA IN THE CITY THAT CAN GO AS HIGH AND HAVE SUCH A LOW, UH, DENSITY NOW WITHOUT TAKING ANALYSIS AND, AND, AND REVIEWING EVERYTHING? I MEAN, A LOT OF THESE ZONING DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW, ALLOW A VARIETY OF USES.
IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THE DENSITY IS THE MAXIMUM THAT'S ALLOWED.
SO WE DON'T SET LIKE A MINIMUM, A MINIMUM DENSITY ANYWHERE.
SO WHY WOULD, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD WE SET THE PRECEDENT OR WHY WOULD THE CITY SET THE POLICY AND SET THE PRECEDENT? WE WANNA LOWER THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
WE DON'T, THAT'S, WE DON'T, WE DON'T THINK IT'S WARRANTED TO GIVE A BONUS FOR LOWERING THE DENSITY.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING IT ON THEIR OWN, THEIR OWN VOLITION THAT THERE'S NO NEED TO, TO, TO, TO WARRANT TO, TO, UM, UM, UM, I GUESS REWARD THAT WITH A BONUS.
I MEAN, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT INCREASING, YOU KNOW,
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DOUBLING THE FAR AND, AND THE HEIGHT, UH, TO PROMOTE MORE PEOPLE MOVING TO THE CITY.IT HAS BEEN NOTED TOO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE REMOVING, REGARDLESS OF THE STATE OF THE BUILDING, THESE ARE, UM, STUDIO ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS WITH AN AVERAGE RENT OF 2000 TO $2,400 A MONTH.
SO WE'RE REMOVING 200 AND PLUS UNITS THAT ARE PROBABLY PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, LIVING AND WORKING HERE TO DO, UM, YOU KNOW, ULTRA LUXURY.
AND LOOK, I, NO ONE'S GONNA ARGUE THAT THE BUILDING IS BEYOND, ITS, ITS USEFUL LIFE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
IT'S A VERY CHALLENGING ENVIRONMENT.
UH, SO SOMETHING WILL BE, YOU KNOW, BUILT HERE IN REPLACING THIS BUILDING.
I THINK THE QUESTION IS, UH, YOU KNOW, BESIDES THE HEIGHT AND THE FAR, AGAIN, YOU'VE HEARD FROM, FROM DOZENS OF PEOPLE ABOUT THAT ALREADY.
WHAT ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT, THAT CAN LIVE HERE? IF WE'RE GONNA GO TO 400 PLUS FEET OR 300 FEET, UH, IS IT THE BEST POLICY TO, TO LOWER THE NUMBER OF UNITS? WOULD THE DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, BE OPEN TO, TO, YOU KNOW, RAISING THE NUMBER OF UNITS? IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA REPLACE EVERY UNIT THAT'S THERE.
BUT STRICTLY SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE HARDER TO SELL ALL THESE LARGE UNITS.
IT MAY BEHOOVE THEM TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT UNIT SIZES.
AND I'M TALKING THIS FROM AN, YOU KNOW, AN URBAN PLANNING AND AN URBAN POLICY PERSPECTIVE HERE.
IT MAY BE BETTER FOR THE DEVELOPER TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE FEEDBACK THAT I'M GONNA PROVIDE AND ASK THAT AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THAT YOU RECONSIDER THE BONUS THAT YOU HAVE PROFFERED, UH, THE, THE FLOOR AREA RATIO BONUS FOR DECREASING THE DENSITY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS A REALLY REMARKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROBABLY MORE PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, NOT LESS TO LIVE THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE OUR CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR WENT, BUT I, I WOULD'VE MADE A MOTION TO CONTINUE IT.
YEAH, WE JUST NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUE.
I MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE JANUARY PLANNING BOARD MEETING AND SECOND ABOUT MR. CEMENT.
DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE, DO WE NEED A QUORUM? I DUNNO, QUORUM.
I WOULD JUST NOTE ONE LAST THING.
I WOULD JUST, I, I HAD ONE LAST NOTE REGARDING THE, THE RENDERINGS THAT WERE PROVIDED.
SO WE DO HAVE DEFINITIVE INFORMATION FROM THE BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE WAVERLY.
I WOULD JUST ASK FOR THE APPLICANT TO GO BACK AND VERIFY THE HEIGHTS AND RENDERINGS THAT THEY'RE SHOWING.
'CAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE THE RENDERINGS SHOW THAT THE WAVERLY WAS MATCHING UP WITH THE HEIGHT OF THIS PROPOSAL, WHEN ACTUALLY THE, THIS PROPOSAL AS PRESENTED IS A HUNDRED TO 150 FEET TALLER THAN THE WAVERLY.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE, THAT THOSE GRAPHICS ARE GRAPH ARE ACCURATELY REPRESENTED.
I DID, I DID NOTICE THAT, THAT IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET TALLER, UM, THAN THE WAVERLY AND IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THE SAME HEIGHT, THE IN THE RENDERINGS.
SO, SO THEN ON THAT NOTE AS WELL, WHAT IS THE REFERENCE THAT THESE HEIGHTS ARE BEING MEASURED FROM? YOU KNOW, IS IT NGVD? IS IT RIGHT GRADE? I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA END UP WITH A, UM, A 10 FOOT HEIGHT DISCREPANCY.
DEPENDING WHAT, SO THAT IN, IN THE, IN THE OVERALL SCHEME OF THINGS, THAT 10 FOOT IS MEANINGLESS IN THIS POINT.
SO THIS, I THINK AT THIS POINT JUST, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE PERMIT DRAWINGS I CAN GIVE THEM TO THE APPLICANT AND WE CAN HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A DIRECT COMPARISON WITHOUT THE HEIGHTS.
WE'LL SEE YOU ON NOVEMBER 26TH AT 9:00 AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.