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ONE.AND WELCOME TO THE SPECIAL LAND USE AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE OF NOVEMBER 5TH, 2024.
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COMMISSIONER SUAREZ HERE, VICE CHAIR BOT HERE, AND CHAIRMAN FERNANDEZ PRESENT, WE HAVE A QUORUM.
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[6. DISCUSS POSSIBLE AGREEMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT AND CONVEYANCE TO CITY OF PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE AT 1247-1255 WEST AVENUE FOR CITY GARAGE (DUAL REFERRAL TO THE FINANCE AND ECONOMIC RESILIENCY COMMITTEE).]
DIRECTOR, UH, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES, WITHDRAWALS, UH, TO TODAY'S AGENDA? UM, YES, MR. CHAIR.ITEM NUMBER SIX, DISCUSS POSSIBLE AGREEMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT AND CONVEYANCE TO THE CITY OF PUBLIC, UH, TO THE CITY OF A PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE AT 1247 TO 1255 WEST AVENUE FOR CITY GARAGE.
THIS ITEM IS BEING DEFERRED TO A FUTURE DATE.
UM, AND I'LL JUST STATE IT, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THIS ITEM, I AM SO HAPPY THAT THE ITEM IS BEING DEFERRED BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN OVER, OVER, NOT THIS SPECIFIC ITEM, BUT THE, UH, COMPANION DEVELOPMENT, UH, ITEM THAT IS ASSOCIATED TO THIS.
AND SO I JUST WANT THE RECORD TO REFLECT.
I'M VERY HAPPY IT'S BEING DEFERRED BECAUSE WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED AT THE MOMENT IS NOT ANYTHING NEAR TO WHAT I COULD EVER SUPPORT WITH THAT.
IS THERE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO APPROVE THE SETTING OF THE AGENDA? I'LL MOVE IT.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ, UH, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SCHWARZ BY ACCLAMATION.
[1. DISCUSS THE CREATION OF A TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS (TDR) PROGRAM FOR WASHINGTON AVENUE.]
DIRECTOR, LESS INTRODUCE ITEM NUMBER ONE.UM, ITEM NUMBER ONE IS DISCUSS THE CREATION OF A TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS PROGRAM FOR WASHINGTON AVENUE.
ALRIGHT, AND THIS IS AN ITEM I PLACED ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE THERE, THERE IS A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN OUR CITY, UH, RIGHT NOW ABOUT HOW FAR CAN BE USED AS A TOOL FOR ECONOMIC ACTIVITY IN OUR CITY, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE WE ARE SEEING A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF VACANT STOREFRONTS, AREAS WHERE PERHAPS WE'VE SEEN, UH, INCIDENTS OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND ALSO TO SUPPORT, UM, THE CREATION OF, OF HOUSING.
AND SO, FAR IS THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION FOR THE GOOD IT COULD CREATE IN, IN OUR CITY.
UM, THE REASON WHY I'VE ASKED FOR THE TDR, UH, PROGRAM TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA IS 'CAUSE I, I DO ALSO BELIEVE THAT, UH, TDR CAN NOT, THAT FAR CANNOT ONLY HELP WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUT IF USED SMARTLY AND PROPERLY COULD ALSO BE, UH, USED AS A TOOL TO HELP EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS, EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS, WHETHER IT BE TO ACHIEVE GOALS OF PRESERVATION OR EVEN ACHIEVE GOALS OF, OF EVEN, UH, AFFORDABILITY.
THE, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE, UH, THROUGH COVENANTS.
SO MY MADAM DIRECTOR, YOU'VE PREPARED, UH, A MEMO WITH SOME ANALYSIS.
I'D APPRECIATE IT IF YOU COULD WALK US THROUGH, UH, STAFF'S, UH, PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE'LL BRING THE CONVERSATION BACK TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UM, SO A, A QUICK SUMMARY OF A TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS PROGRAM WOULD BE FOR, UM, AN ORGANIZATION OR MUNICIPALITY TO IDENTIFY CERTAIN SENDING DISTRICTS AND RECEIVING DISTRICTS.
THE PURPOSE WOULD BE FOR A SENDING DISTRICT TO BE ABLE TO SELL UNUSED DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, TYPICALLY IN THE FORM OF FLOOR AREA OR DENSITY, TO RECEIVING DISTRICTS THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE THE, UH, ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT FROM THOSE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.
UM, TYPICALLY THIS IS DONE, UH, FOR A PUBLIC PER, UH, PROCESS.
MR. CHAIR, AS YOU CORRECTLY STATED, IT CAN BE USED FOR A VARIETY OF THINGS FOR THE SENDING SITES.
UM, OFTEN THERE'S A PUBLIC BENEFIT OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION
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THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST COMMON, UH, TDR, UH, ORGANIZATION IN THE COUNTRY.THERE'S ALSO TDRS THAT, THAT, UM, ARE IMPLEMENTED TO PRESERVE RESILIENCY, OPEN SPACE, AND TO PROVIDE FOR TRANSIT NETWORKS.
UM, IN THIS CASE, UM, FOR WASHINGTON AVENUE, UH, THE WASHINGTON AVENUE HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED BY THE SPONSOR, UH, AS A RECEIVING SITE.
THERE COULD BE POTENTIAL, UM, SELLING SITES THAT WOULD BE LOWER SCALE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS SUCH AS THE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE OCEAN BEACH HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND EVEN POTENTIALLY, UH, THE MXE AREAS OF OCEAN DRIVE AND COLLINS AVENUE.
THIS COULD ENABLE THESE SELLING SITES TO DERIVE INCOME FROM THEIR UNUSED FAR AND PUT THAT BACK INTO THE BUILDING.
TYPICALLY, THERE ARE SAFEGUARDS PUT IN PLACE, NOT ONLY FOR THE SENDING AREAS ON WHAT THEY CAN SPEND THE MONEY ON, BUT FOR THE RECEIVING AREAS, THERE ARE OFTEN RESTRICTIONS.
UM, RESTRICTIONS COULD BE IN THE, UM, IN THE FORM OF RESTRICTED USES, UM, OR IN OFTEN THERE'S A CAP ON HOW MUCH FAR THEY CAN BUY, HOW MUCH FAR THEY COULD RECEIVE IN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.
THIS, UM, HAS COME UP THIS DISCUSSION, UH, A FEW TIMES IN THE PAST DECADE OR SO.
UM, PRIMARILY WE DISCUSSED IT IN THE NORTH BEACH AREA.
AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE WITH OUR LOWER SCALE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICTS IS THEY CURRENTLY HAVE AN FAR OF ABOUT A 1.25, THE RM ONE DISTRICT IN FLAMINGO PARK, SAME WITH THE RM ONE IN NORTH BEACH, WHERE WE HAD PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED THIS.
UM, HAVE A LOW FAR CURRENTLY, SO MANY OF THESE HISTORIC PROPERTIES DO NOT HAVE AVAILABLE FAR TO SELL.
UM, ANOTHER CHALLENGE THAT THAT IS POTENTIALLY CREATED IS THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS FOR TDR IS BY TWO PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO IT'S NOT THE CITY THAT SETS THE PRICE.
IT'S NOT THE CITY THAT WOULD GO IN AND NEGOTIATE THIS TYPE OF OF SALE.
UM, IT ACTUALLY REQUIRES TWO PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS TO COME TOGETHER TO NEGOTIATE, UM, TO, TO TRANSFER THAT FAR.
UM, ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THE TDR IS THAT IT DOES NOT INCREASE FAR, UM, THROUGHOUT THE CITY, RIGHT? IT JUST TRANSFERS THE, THE AVAILABLE FAR TO ANOTHER AREA.
SO THE AGGREGATE FAR WOULD REMAIN THE SAME.
BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE THIS CHALLENGE OF NOT HAVING A LOT OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS WITH A, A BUNCH OF FAR TO SELL, UH, THE CITY OF MIAMI.
AND WE HAD BRIEFLY NOTED THE CITY OF MIAMI HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM, WHICH WAS NOT THE TRADITIONAL TDR.
THEY HAVE A PROGRAM BY WHICH THEY ACTUALLY, THE CITY INCREASED THE ALLOWABLE FAR FOR CERTAIN HISTORIC PROPERTIES FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF THOSE PROPERTIES SELLING FAR.
SO WHILE THEY WERE GIVING FAR TO, UM, HISTORIC PROPERTIES, IT WAS FOR THE PURPOSE OF SELLING, NOT FOR DEVELOPING THEIR OWN PROPERTIES.
IT, IT HELPED THE IO DISTRICT ON SCA BOULEVARD.
UM, SEVERAL OF THE PROPERTIES, UH, RESTORE THEIR, THEIR PROPERTIES WHILE GENERATING INCOME TO HELP THEM, UH, PAY FOR THESE COSTS.
UH, THE CITY OF CORAL GABLES HAS A, HAS A TDR PROGRAM.
UM, AND IT IS CERTAINLY AN OPTION.
WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONCEPT OF THIS AND WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, UM, WE BRING BACK A DRAFT ORDINANCE OF WHAT A TDR PROGRAM COULD LOOK LIKE AT THE JANUARY MEETING.
AND SO, IN THE MEMORANDUM, YOU'VE IDENTIFIED, UH, POTENTIAL SENDING AREAS AND POTENTIAL RECEIVING AREAS.
THERE ARE THREE POTENTIAL SENDING AREAS YOU'VE IDENTIFIED.
AND THOSE ARE THE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE OCEAN BEACH HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THE MXC, UM, THE MXC AND SOUTH BEACH.
AND SO IN FLAMINGO PARK, WE, AND I GUESS GOING, GOING TO YOUR POINT, UM, THE, THE, THE FAR THERE IS RELATIVELY LOW, IS A 1.25.
AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT FAR HAS BEEN USED OR UNUSED AT THE MOMENT.
BUT WE ARE WORKING ON A CAPACITY ANALYSIS STUDY THAT WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THE BUDGET THAT COULD POTENTIALLY, UH, GUIDE US WITH THAT INFORMATION.
UM, AND THEN OCEAN BEACH, WHICH IS THE AREA OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT SOUTH OF FIFTH.
UM, THAT AREA ALSO HAS A LOW FAR THAT'S, THAT'S GOT, I BELIEVE, A 1.0 FAR GOES OUT TO THAT, THAT AREA RANGES BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE IT ENCOMPASSES SEVERAL DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS.
IT RANGES FROM A 1.0 TO A 2.5 AND THEN, AND THEN AT THE MXC OCEAN DRIVE AND COLUMNS.
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IT IS 2.0.AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE, UH, THAT WE LOOK AT, UH, HELPING THESE AREAS PRESERVE THEMSELVES WHILE LOOKING AT NEW CONSTRUCTION IN AREAS LIKE ON WASHINGTON AVENUE, UH, TO HELP SUPPORT THE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY, WE COULD POTENTIALLY CREATE A BANK OF FAR, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, AN INVENTORY OF FAR, UH, AND THESE HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR PURPOSES OF ALLOWING, UH, THESE, THESE HISTORIC BUILDINGS TO SELL THIS FAR TO A RECEIVING DISTRICT, LIKE THE WASHINGTON AVENUE CORRIDOR OR THE FIFTH STREET CORRIDOR, THE ALDEN ROAD CORRIDOR, AND ALLOW THESE, UH, HISTORIC PROPERTIES NOW TO REINVEST THAT MONEY INTO THE PRESERVATION OF THESE PROPERTIES.
WHICH IS OFTENTIMES A CHALLENGE THAT WE ENCOUNTER.
OFTENTIMES WE SEE PROPERTIES THAT ARE, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE NOT WELL MAINTAINED, BUT IT'S THE EXPENSE OF, OF, UH, OF MAINTAINING THESE PROPERTIES THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT.
I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO, UH, TO, TO, TO COMMENTS FOR MY COLLEAGUES.
I'M GONNA GO TO COMMISSIONER BOTTA AND THEN COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ.
CAN YOU, UM, TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE, THE CITY OF MIAMI, MIMO, UM, CORRIDOR TRANSFER? SO THE, THE MOTELS THAT, UM, WERE ABLE TO SELL FAR AND INVEST IN THEIR PROPERTIES, WHERE DID THE FAR GO? I BELIEVE THE, THE FAR WENT TO THE WYNWOOD AREA FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND HOW WOULD THE CITY MANAGE THIS? IT HAS TO BE, UM, UH, BROKERED A DEAL BROKERED BETWEEN TWO PRIVATE ENTITIES.
AND HOW DO WE MANAGE THIS? I MEAN, FIFTH STREET AND ALTON ROAD ALREADY ON THE, YOU KNOW, KNOW, HAVE A TARGET ON THEIR BACK BECAUSE OF, UM, TRANSIT ZONING REGULATIONS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE COMING DOWN THE PIKE WITH, UM, THE BAY LINK, HOW MUCH MORE FAR WOULD THEY GET OVER WHAT EXISTS? SO IF THEY, YOU KNOW, IF AN AREA ALREADY GETS 4.0 FAR AND THEY CAN GET ANOTHER 1.5 'CAUSE THEY BUY IT FROM A SENDING DISTRICT, IT WOULD GO UP TO 5.5 AS OF RIGHT.
AND THEN LET, LET ME INTERJECT THERE, BECAUSE THAT, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A POLICY DECISION.
UM, IF, IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA ALLOW THEM TO GO BEYOND, LET'S SAY, LIKE A 4.0 OR IF WE WANT TO ALLOW THEM TO USE A SENDING DISTRICT TO REACH THAT 4.0, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF THEY ALREADY HAVE 4.0 AS OF RIGHT, YEAH.
THEN DO THEY, AND I, IT MAY STILL BE A POLICY QUESTION, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YEAH.
UM, NOT TRYING TO SET POLICY, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE, WE'RE SITTING, I'M JUST SKEPTICAL.
AND I DEFINITELY WANNA HELP INCENTIVIZE OLDER PROPERTIES TO, UM, REDEVELOP AND RENOVATE AND ADAPTIVELY REUSE WHAT THEY HAVE.
AND, AND I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT THAT GOES INTO THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX.
I'M JUST REALLY LEERY BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE FOLKS WHO ARE ABLE TO WORK THE SYSTEM IN SUCH A MANNER THAT THEY GET EGREGIOUS HEIGHT INCREASES, AND FAR AND DENSITY INCREASES WITHOUT US MAKING IT EASIER WITH A PROGRAM.
SO HOW, HOW WOULD WE, AS A CITY, SORT OF MANAGE THIS SO IT DOESN'T GET OUT OF HAND? UM, SO THE STRUCTURE OF SUCH A PROGRAM WOULD BE VERY COMPLEX.
UM, THEY, THERE'S TYPICALLY A CAP, A POLICY JUST CALL IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CAP OF THE FAR FOR THE RECEIVER COULD BE.
THEY WOULDN'T BE UNLIMITED TYPICALLY, UM, THERE WOULD BE A CAP PUT ON PLACE.
THE STRUCTURE OF THE, THE PROGRAM DOES BECOME COMPLICATED BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO ENSURE THAT NOT ONLY ARE THE RECEIVING PROPERTIES, UM, FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THE CITY'S GOALS OF THEM BEING ABLE TO PURCHASE MORE PROPERTY, WHICH COULD BE USE RESTRICTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT ALSO THE SENDING BUILDINGS WE WOULD HAVE TO KEEP TRACK OF TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MONEY THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED FROM THE TRANSACTION WAS BEING PUT TOWARD THAT PUBLIC PURPOSE GOAL, WHICH IN THIS CASE COULD BE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OR RESILIENCY UPGRADES.
SO IT, IT IS A COMPLEX STRUCTURE.
UM, I THINK IT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN CERTAIN AREAS.
I THINK THERE'S ALSO BEEN PROGRAMS WHERE IT HASN'T BEEN AS SUCCESSFUL, SO IT WOULD REALLY NEED TO BE STUDIED FURTHER.
UM, AND BROUGHT BACK TO YOU WITH MORE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND YOU, YOU MAY HAVE ASKED THIS ALREADY.
THE, UM, THE CURRENT FAR FOR, UM, WASHINGTON AVENUE, THE CURRENT FAR FOR WASHINGTON AVENUE FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS A 2.0 FOR COMMERCIAL ONLY DEVELOPMENT.
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HOTEL, IT WOULD BE A 1.5.AND, AND ALSO WITH, UM, JUST, JUST, JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THE RECORD WITH THE, WITH THE VAGA BOND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT FAR THAT, UH, THAT TDR WAS USED FOR, UH, FOR, FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO CREATE RESIDENTIAL INVENTORY.
AND CERTAINLY, UH, NOTHING WOULD PROHIBIT US FROM PUTTING IN PLACE ANY RESTRICTIONS WE MAY WANT, UM, AS TO WHAT THE TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL INVENTORY THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE, IF WE WANT TO PUT ANY, ANY INCOME RESTRICTIONS, UH, OR SETTING ASIDE A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE UNITS TO A SPECIFIC, UH, SEGMENT OF THE, OF THE, UM, OF, OF THE A MI.
UM, IT, AND, AND IN ADDITION TO, TO THAT, I, I BELIEVE, SO THESE ARE PRIVATE TRANSACTIONS.
UM, SO THESE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS, YOU KNOW, THEY COME TO THEIR OWN AGREEMENT AS TO, AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHO WANTS TO SELL, UM, AND HOW MUCH THEY'RE GOING TO SELL UNLESS WE SET A POLICY.
OTHERWISE, THEY NEGOTIATE THOSE TERMS AMONGST THEMSELVES.
AND THEN WE COULD PUT IN PLACE A REQUIREMENTS WHERE IT HAS TO BE APPROVED.
LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S A HISTORIC SENDING DISTRICT AND A HISTORIC RECEIVING DISTRICT, IT COULD GO TO THE, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, OR, OR IF IT'S NOT, IT COULD STILL, UH, THEY COULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF TRANSFER, UH, FROM THE CITY.
SO IT'S SOMETHING WHERE, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE WE CAN STILL, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME SORT OF OVERSIGHT IN THE PROCESS, MAKE SURE IT'S NOT BEING ABUSED AND ISSUE AN APPROVAL FOR ANY OF THESE TRANSFERS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
CORAL GABLES DOES THIS AS WELL, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THEY HAVE A SIMILAR APPROVAL PROCESS WHERE THE CITY DOES NEED TO APPROVE IT.
THE, THE APPLICATIONS ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE, THE CORAL GABLES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, AND THEN ARE THEN AUTHORIZED BY THE CITY.
AND THAT HELPS CREATE A, A GOOD OVERSIGHT, UM, IN TRACKING MECHANISM FOR THIS TRANSFER OF, OF FLORA AREA.
THANK YOU, UH, MR. CHAIR, VICE MAYOR.
UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BREAKING SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX.
I KNOW THAT, UM, TDRS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE, BUT, UH, THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
AND, UM, I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS.
SO I, EARLIER IN THE YEAR, MET WITH THE FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND THEY HAD ASKED ME TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO GET THESE BUILDINGS TO RENOVATE WITHOUT ADDING HEIGHT.
AND SO I PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA, IT WENT TO THE AD HOC REVIEW, AND SO IT'S STILL GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
THIS JUST GIVES THEM A DIFFERENT OPTION, A DIFFERENT PATH FORWARD, UM, THAN THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE, OR WILL HOPEFULLY BE OUT THERE.
SURE, YES, YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND, UH, IN FACT, THE AD HOC HISTORIC PRE PRESERVATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE DID ISSUE RECOMMENDATIONS AMONGST THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, WAS, UM, WAS THE CREATION OF A TDR, UM, OR EVEN THE TRANSFER OF DENSITY, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, HISTORIC, UH, STRUCTURES THAT MAY, MAY HAVE NOT MAXIMIZED ON ITS DENSITY AND COULD SELL DENSITY, UH, FROM HISTORIC SIDE TO A, UH, TO, TO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I MIGHT WANT TO RECEIVE, UH, THAT DENSITY, UH, IN A FAIR MARKET VALUE, UH, THAT CAN THEN BE REINVESTED, UH, TO, TO, IN THOSE PROPERTIES.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.
ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM, UH, FROM THE DAYS? I, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD BE WILLING TO TRY THIS IN A SPECIFIC AREA, UM, POTENTIALLY NOT DOING A CITYWIDE PROGRAM, UM, BUT MAYBE HAVE A PILOT PROGRAM AND HAVE IT SUNSET SO THAT IF NOBODY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF IT WITHIN THREE OR FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ON THE BOOKS IN PERPETUITY.
I, I'M LEERY, BUT I'LL KEEP AN OPEN MIND.
AND SO I WOULD, UM, BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THE STAFF COMES BACK WITH AS A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE BEST PRACTICES LOCALLY AND EVEN FURTHER AFIELD IF THERE ARE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE DOING IT PARTICULARLY WELL WITH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CHECKPOINTS IN PLACE.
I MEAN, I, I, MY GREATEST FEAR IS THAT SOMEHOW WE GET IT WRONG AND PEOPLE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GAIN THE SYSTEM.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, 40 STORY BUILDINGS BECOME THE NORM WHERE WE DON'T WANT
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THEM.AND, AND, AND TO YOUR POINT, UH, C COMMISSIONER, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION, UH, HAS, HAS SUGGESTED IS TO EXPLORE, YOU KNOW, DESIGNATING, UH, SPECIFIC AREAS, UH, FOR THIS NOT TO DO IT CITYWIDE TO GO TO LOOK SPECIFIC AREAS.
UH, AND I THINK, AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT IS THE MEASURED APPROACH.
UH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T TRIED IT.
UH, PERHAPS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF MIAMI HAS HAD ITS, ITS EXPERIENCES WITH IT, UH, WHEN, UM, CORAL GABLES BAY HARBOR HAVE HAD THEIR EXPERIENCES WITH IT.
UM, BUT MIAMI BEACH IS UNIQUE AND SO, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK.
I DO BELIEVE THAT HISTORIC AREAS LIKE FLAMINGO PARK, UM, THE OCEAN BEACH HISTORIC AREA, THE, UH, HISTORIC PARTS OF THE MXC, UH, IN, IN SOUTH BEACH ARE AREAS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE, UM, SENDING DISTRICTS BECAUSE THEY DO, UH, THEY DO NEED INVESTMENT.
WE HAVE HISTORIC ASSETS THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I HATE TO PUT IT THIS WAY, BUT THEY'RE CORRODING AWAY, UH, BECAUSE IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE TO DO CONSTRUCTION.
OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROCESS IS, UH, IS A VERY INVOLVED PROCESS THAT, UH, THAT TAKES A LOT OF TIME, AND THAT TIME MEANS MONEY TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
AND SO IF THIS HELPS, UH, ACHIEVE THAT, UH, I'M, I'M ALL FOR IT.
UM, AND, AND THE CITY ADMINISTRATION HAS RECOMMENDED WASHINGTON AVENUE AS A POTENTIAL RECEIVING AREA, UM, THE FIFTH STREET CORRIDOR, THE ALTON CORRIDOR.
YEAH, I, I THINK I, I WOULD BE LEERY TO INCLUDE FIFTH AND ALTON AT THIS POINT.
I WOULD RATHER JUST FOCUS IT, I MEAN, IF WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO REALLY TRANSFORM WASHINGTON WITH A NUMBER OF INITIATIVES, THIS BEING POTENTIALLY ONE OF THEM, AND SOME OTHERS BEING POTENTIALLY OTHERS, YEAH.
UM, I WOULD RATHER SEE HOW IT WORKS THERE, UM, RATHER THAN OPENING UP TO MULTIPLE AREAS OF THE CITY, ESPECIALLY WHERE THOSE TWO IN PARTICULAR ARE POTENTIALLY DESIGNATION DESIGNATED OR COULD BE DESIGNATED AS, UM, AREAS THAT WE HAVE EVEN LESS CONTROL OVER BECAUSE OF TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
AND, AND, AND, AND I'LL SAY EVEN PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, LINCOLN ROAD, YOU KNOW, LINCOLN ROAD IS AN AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO REDEVELOPMENT.
SO I COULD SEE HOW, HOW IT MIGHT BE, UM, APPROPRIATE NOT TO CONSIDER RIGHT NOW FIFTH STREET, UH, OR EVEN ALTON ROAD, UH, BUT PERHAPS LINCOLN ROAD, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO, UH, TO, AGAIN, INCENTIVIZE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY THERE.
UM, I, THAT'S SOMETHING I'D BE OPEN TO.
LET ME RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER SU HAS BEEN WAITING TO SPEAK.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA AS FAR AS, UM, THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX.
I ACTUALLY WALK FLAMINGO PARK EVERY NIGHT.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE BILLINGS DEFINITELY COULD USE SOME, SOME HELP.
SOME HAVE, UH, SOME, SOME LOOK LIKE THEY'RE IN GREAT SHAPE.
UM, I, I HAVE TWO ITEMS ON HERE FOR WASHINGTON AVENUE AND LINCOLN ROAD THAT REALLY DOES ADDRESS, UH, A REVITALIZATION OF WASHINGTON AVENUE AND LINCOLN ROAD.
AND I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO, UM, SORT OF STEP ON THE TOES OF, OF, OF, OF A EITHER ITEM.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD COMMINGLE.
UM, HOWEVER, I DON'T, I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO NOT PRECLUDE, NOT PIGEONHOLE US JUST TO WASHINGTON AVENUE FOR THIS PROGRAM, CONSIDERING WE HAVE, UH, AN ITEM, UH, TWO ITEMS FOR WASHINGTON AVENUE AND LINCOLN ROAD THAT REALLY DOES, YOU KNOW, AGGRESSIVELY GO FOR A, A RES RESIDENTIAL PLAN, UH, OF DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT COULD REALLY BENEFIT FROM, FROM THIS, YOU KNOW, SHOOTING FROM THE HIP 41ST STREET, UH, PERHAPS POCKETS IN NORTH BEACH, WHO THAT REALLY, THAT REALLY COULD USE, UH, HELP.
UM, I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANNA JUST PIGEONHOLE THIS TO JUST WASHINGTON AVENUE, CONSIDERING THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE NEXT ITEM IS GONNA BE WASHINGTON AVENUE.
UM, AND SO IF, IF, IF IT'S OKAY WITH MY COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, LET'S GIVE DIRECTION TO THE CITY STAFF TO, TO REALLY NOT, NOT, UM, RESTRICT THEM ON ONE AREA, UM, AND THEN COME BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, THESE ARE SOME OF THE AREAS THAT COULD REALLY BENEFIT FROM THIS PROGRAM, UM, ON A RECEIVING BASIS.
AND, AND, AND SEE HOW THAT GOES.
I'M GONNA OPEN UP, UH, THE FLOOR TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK.
AND BY THE WAY, TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE ATTENDING.
UH, I DO REALIZE IT'S ELECTION DAY, UH, AND, UH,
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IT'S NOT ALWAYS THAT WE HAVE A LAND USE, UH, COMMITTEE THAT HAS, UH, SO MANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PRESENT, BUT THEY'RE HERE.AND WE APPRECIATE YOU FOR, UH, BEING HERE.
I SAW AND ASSUME THAT MITCH NOVIK HAD HIS HAND RAISED.
MITCH, UH, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
UH, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK.
UH, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BOT'S INITIAL COMMENTS.
I RECALL THAT TWO OR THREE TIMES OVER THE PAST THREE DECADES WHEN TDR WERE DISCUSSED, AND ULTIMATELY THEY WERE REJECTED, UH, IT COULD OPEN A QUAGMIRE OR CAN OF WORMS THAT, UH, HAVEN'T BEEN DISCUSSED TODAY.
UH, WAYNE ROBERTS, UH, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK.
I THOUGHT THE LAST COMMISSION WAS, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND AGAINST RESIDENTS, AND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE OVER THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS IN DEVELOPING, UM, MIAMI BEACH, TALLER AND WIDER, UH, HIKED BEYOND ANY RECOGNITION OF WHAT EXISTS.
UM, AND THIS IS THE LATEST EXAMPLE, DDRS ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS A DEVELOPER SPONSORED, UM, THEFT OF, OF, OF RESIDENT RIGHTS.
AND, UH, IT'S A GAME AND IT'S SAD, SAD DAY.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE, UH, FOR US TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, ASKING THE ADMINISTRATION, UH, TO COME BACK TO US, UH, AT A FUTURE MEETING, UM, WITH A DRAFT, UH, POLICY THAT WE CAN CONSIDER.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, YOU'VE MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OF SENDING AREAS.
UM, I'M OPEN TO, UH, AND, AND I'M OPEN TO, TO THOSE, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD BE EXPLORING WASHINGTON AVENUE, LINCOLN ROAD, AND ANY OTHER THAT YOU RECOMMEND AS, UM, AS RECEIVING AREAS.
I THINK, I THINK YOU NEED TO CONSIDER, UM, SOME CERTAIN BASIC REGULATIONS AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER, WHETHER, WHETHER YOU ALL RECOMMEND FOR THIS TO BE, WHETHER, WHETHER YOU ALL, WHETHER YOU ALL, UH, FEEL THAT THIS SHOULD BE A CONTRIBUTION FROM A SENDING AREA TO HELP SOMEONE REACH THEIR MAXIMUM, OR WHETHER THIS IS ABOVE THE MAXIMUM.
UM, I FEEL, I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT INCREASING CAPS, THAT THIS DOES NOT GO BEYOND THE CAP, BUT THE, BUT PROPERTY OWNERS USE THIS TO USE THE FAR THAT WE ARE ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE BY BUYING IT FROM A SENDING DISTRICT THAT THEN CONTRIBUTES TOWARDS THE PRESERVATION, BUT NOT TO GO ABOVE THE CAP THAT, UH, THAT, THAT WE'RE SENDING IN PLACE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER POLICY WE BRING BACK INCLUDES, UH, A, UM, A, A REVIEW PROCESS, NOT JUST IF IT'S IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, INCLUDING IF IT'S, UH, OUTSIDE A HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT THERE IS A REVIEW FOR A, UH, CERTIFICATE OF TRANSFER.
UM, SO THAT THERE IS AN OVERSIGHT TO THIS.
AND, AND LASTLY, I JUST, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO, TO, TO THE LAST MEMBER OF THE, OF THE PUBLIC WHO, WHO CALLED, UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO HELP OUR HISTORIC ASSETS.
OUR, WE'RE SEEING OUR HISTORIC ASSETS IN GREAT THREAT.
AND A LOT OF THESE HISTORIC ASSETS ARE THE, ARE, ARE THE PROPERTIES THAT HOUSE, UH, OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, OUR ATTAINABLE HOUSING, AND OUR, AND OUR WORKFORCE HOUSING.
AND UNLESS WE FIND A, TO FIX THESE BUILDINGS, WE'RE GONNA LOSE THESE HISTORIC ASSETS ONE BY ONE.
IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN TODAY OR TOMORROW, OR OVER THE NEXT TWO OR THREE, OR MAYBE EVEN FIVE YEARS.
AND OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS, EIGHT YEARS, 12 YEARS, 16 YEARS, 20 YEARS, I'VE SEEN NO ONE FIND A WAY TO GET OUR COMMUNITY TO INVEST IN THE PRESERVATION OF THE HISTORIC ASSETS IN, IN, IN, LIKE IN FLAMINGO PARK.
THAT'S PART OF THE NATIONAL REGISTRY.
I HAVEN'T FOUND, I HAVEN'T SEEN A WAY THAT WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO INVEST THERE.
AND WHAT WE SEE IS THE MONEY GOING, THE, THE MONEY AND PRESERVATION IS GOING INTO, INTO THE OCEAN FRONT.
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AND WE SEE THE ARTICLES, $2.5 BILLION BEING INVESTED IN THE OCEAN FRONT, BUT HOW MUCH MONEY IS REALLY BEING INVESTED.I'M SURE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE DOING CERTAIN LEVELS OF INVESTMENT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BUT, BUT REALLY, REALLY A COMPREHENSIVE INVESTMENT IN UPLIFTING THAT AREA AND PRESERVING THOSE BUILDINGS.
I JUST DON'T SEE THAT LEVEL OF INVESTMENT HAPPENING.
AND THAT'S A THREAT TO OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THAT'S A THREAT, UH, TO THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO JUST RESPOND TO THOSE COMMENTS.
AND I SEE NOW, UH, EVERYONE WANTS TO JUMP ON BOARD.
SO COMMISSIONER SCHWARZ AND COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, THEN COMMISSIONER BOND.
UM, YEAH, LOOK, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A SILVER BULLET, RIGHT? FOR, FOR SAVING HISTORIC, UH, BUILDINGS.
AND I, I, I THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE SOUTH OF FIFTH, FOR EXAMPLE, SOUTH OF FIFTH USED TO BE A GHETTO, RIGHT? AND IT'S, IT ISN'T A, IT ISN'T A HISTORIC REGISTRY.
AND, AND WHAT MADE SOUTH OF FIFTH REALLY SPECIAL, IT WAS, IT WAS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, I STILL OWN PROPERTY IN A RESIDENT, IN A HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
AND, AND, AND, AND WHY WAS THERE DEVELOPMENT FOR, FOR THAT AREA IS, UH, WELL, WHY WAS THERE, UH, A, A NEED TO REHABILITATE OLD, HISTORIC, UH, BUILDINGS OR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN SOUTH OF FIFTH? IT'S BECAUSE OF THE SURROUNDING AREA REALLY BECAME A, A, A, A HOTSPOT FOR RESIDENTS TO LIVE AND, AND CUT SORT OF ESCAPE FROM THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF ANYTHING THAT REALLY UPLIFTS A NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A, UH, A, A SILVER BULLET THAT'S GONNA SOLVE ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS. I THINK THAT'S WHY THERE'S SEVEN OR SIX COMMISSIONERS AND ONE MAYOR, WE ALL HAVE VALUE TO ADD TO SOLVING A PROBLEM.
UM, I THINK THAT YOU ALWAYS TELL ME THAT, UH, MR. CHAIR, AND, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER, WE, WE CAN SOLVE A PROBLEM.
SO COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY, UM, IF THIS IS, IT'S GONNA COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE.
AND, UM, YOU ARE NOT EXCLUDING FIFTH OR ALTON AT THIS, THIS POINT, AND YOU'RE NOT INCLUDING A SUNSET PROVISION? WELL, IN FACT, I, I'VE, I'M FINE EXCLUDING FIFTH AND ALTON.
UH, IF, UM, I WOULD LIKE FOR LINCOLN ROAD TO BE A PART OF IT, UH, I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO DO POLICY THAT WE CAN GET BEHIND.
SO I DO NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH EXCLUDING FIFTH AND ALTON.
UM, BUT I WOULD WANT TO BE OPEN-MINDED TO THE PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATION.
I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE POLITICALLY DRIVEN.
AND I KNOW, I MEAN, I, AND I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A NEGATIVE WAY.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES WHEN WE SAY POLITICALLY DRIVEN, IT SOUNDS NEGATIVE, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE GUIDED BY US.
I WANT IT TO BE GUIDED PROFESSIONALLY BY THE ADMINISTRATION.
MY ONLY POINT IS I WOULD RATHER GET THIS RIGHT FOR A SMALL SPECIFIC AREA AND TEST IT OUT WITH SUNSET PROVISIONS.
AND THEN IF IT IS A UNMITIGATED DISASTER, WE'VE ONLY DONE A LITTLE BIT OF DAMAGE.
AND IF IT'S A RAGING SUCCESS, THEN WE KNOW WE CAN EXPAND IT TO OTHER AREAS.
THAT'S, SO, I, I WOULD RATHER START SMALL AND FIGURE IT OUT, RATHER THAN CASTING A WIDER NET.
'CAUSE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE TIME, AND THERE WILL ALWAYS BE APPETITE TO, TO DO THIS IF IT WORKS.
COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA, UH, MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
UH, I, I THINK RIGHT NOW, IF IT'S, SINCE IT'S COMING BACK TO COMMITTEE, I, I THINK LET'S HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION COME BACK TO US, UH, WITH THEIR PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS ON, ON THE AREAS THAT SHOULD BE RECEIVING, UH, FROM, FROM THIS.
SO, UH, AND THEN, AND, AND WHEN IT COMES BACK, THEN WE CAN DECIDE, HEY, WE LIKE THIS AREA, THIS AREA NEEDS IT MORE, OR, OR, OR DOESN'T NEED IT.
AND THEN, UH, WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION THERE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S GET THE FULL PICTURE AND THEN DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO RESTRICT TO.
I'LL JUST, I'LL, I'LL JUST PUT FOR, FOR, FOR THE RECORD, I, I DO FAVOR, UM, KEEPING THIS ALIGNED WITH THE AREAS THAT, THAT, THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON LEGISLATIVELY AT THE MOMENT.
WASHINGTON AVENUE, LINCOLN ROAD.
UH, I, I'M MORE INCLINED TO SUPPORT THAT.
I'M GONNA KEEP AN OPEN MIND TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, WANT STAFF TO FEEL FREE TO COME BACK WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT I'M JUST BEING VERY OPEN HERE.
UM, I AM, I'M OF THE THINKING OF, OF COMMISSIONER BO.
WE, UH, AS NARROW AS WE CAN SO THAT WE CAN TEST IT.
IF IT DOESN'T, IT'S EASIER TO, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, STOP.
BUT I DO THINK WE OWE IT TO OUR COMMUNITY TO TEST IT.
AND, UM, BECAUSE IT'S EASY TO SAY NO, IT'S EASY
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TO SAY NO.THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE BUILT A CAREER ON SAYING NO.
AND, UH, AND THAT'S EASY IN POLITICS.
UH, BUT WE REALLY DON'T, DON'T IMPROVE OUR CITY OR THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE JUST OF OUR CITY, JUST BY ALWAYS, UH, SAYING NO AND, AND NOT, AND NOT TESTING THINGS.
COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE, UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
UH, I COMMEND YOU FOR THE INNOVATIVE THINKING, I THINK IS A DIFFICULT CONCEPT, BUT, BUT COULD BE, UH, VERY FRUITFUL.
UM, AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, WHILE THE TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT IS ON THE TABLE, WOULD BE PROBABLY WISE TO EXCLUDE FIFTH STREET AND ALTON ROAD.
UH, ANOTHER AREA I WILL HIGHLIGHT, 'CAUSE I KNOW I'VE HEARD YOU MENTION AS WELL, AND EVERY TIME I DRIVE TO CITY HALL, I SAY, WHY IS THERE NO HOUSING AROUND CITY HALL? IT MAKES NO SENSE.
UM, AND IT'S A ENTRYWAY CORRIDOR.
PERHAPS 17TH STREET WOULD BE AN AREA THAT, UH, COULD BE WORTHWHILE IN EXAMINING THAT WOULD BE A RECEIVER OF THIS.
AND, AND SO IF STAFF COULD, UH, COULD, UH, CONSIDER THAT AS WELL AS PART OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, MADAM DIRECTOR, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED TO COME BACK TO US? UM, WE WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THE JANUARY MEETING.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT MEETING DATE HAS BEEN SET YET.
UM, BUT I THINK WE'RE COMFORTABLE COMING BACK IN JANUARY.
I LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, DRAFT POLICY IN JANUARY.
UH, WITH THAT, LET'S CALL UP, UM, LET'S CALL UP ITEMS
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[3. LDR AMENDMENT TO INCENTIVIZE RESIDENTIAL USES ON LINCOLN ROAD]
TWO AND THREE TOGETHER.UH, WE WILL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SEPARATE ITEMS, BUT I DO THINK THAT THEY'RE, UH, SIMILAR ENOUGH THAT THEY SHOULD BE CALLED UP TOGETHER.
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS DISCUSS PROPOSAL TO REVITALIZE THE TWO TO 300 BLOCKS OF LINCOLN ROAD, UH, INCLUDING PEDESTRIANIZATION OF THE CORRIDOR, OTHER STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS AND AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
ITEM NUMBER THREE IS AN LDR AMENDMENT TO INCENTIVIZE RESIDENTIAL USES ON LINCOLN ROAD.
ALRIGHT, UM, WE GOOD HERE? IS IT TDR PROGRAM?
UM, SO MADAM DIRECTOR, UH, WOULD YOU WALK US, UH, THROUGH, UM, OR COMMISSIONER SWAR, YOU WANNA PRESENT ON YOUR ITEM ON ITEM THREE? I, I DON'T MIND HAVING, UM, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR OR SITTING PLANNING DIRECTOR, UH, DISCUSS LINCOLN ROAD.
UM, YOU KNOW WHAT I THOUGHT FOR, UM, CLARITY PURPOSES, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PUT THE MAPS UP BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS. EACH OF THOSE ITEMS HAVE THREE DISTINCT AREAS AND IN SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, PJ, IF, IF THAT'S YOU, PJ UP THERE, UH, CAN YOU PULL UP FIRST? UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE MAP.
THIS IS NOT, IT'S THE PAGE 24 OR PAGE, PAGE 24.
I THINK I SENT THEM TO YOU SEPARATELY AS WELL.
YEAH, I CAN JUMP RIGHT IN FOR, UM, UH, PURPOSES OF TIMING.
UM, SO THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS. THE FIRST ITEM, WHICH IS THE TWO AND 300 BLOCK, WE'RE WE'RE CALLING, UH, LINCOLN ROAD EAST.
THIS IS THE EASTERN END OF LINCOLN ROAD.
SO WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THIS IS, UM, THIS WAS A CARRYOVER OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE COMMITTEE AT THE SEPTEMBER 5TH MEETING.
THESE ARE AREAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO INCENTIVIZE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THEY'RE BOTH SIMILAR, UM, BUT THEY DO HAVE SOME DIFFERENCES.
SO IN LINCOLN ROAD EAST, WE HAVE EVALUATED IN, IN, UM, CAREFUL DETAIL, THIS PORTION OF THE CITY.
UM, WE HAVE, AGAIN NOTICED THERE ARE DISTINCT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE AREA,
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UM, BETWEEN 17TH STREET AND LINCOLN, UH, LANE NORTH BETWEEN, UM, THE NORTH SIDE OF LINCOLN ROAD, AND THEN BETWEEN THE SOUTH SIDE OF LINCOLN ROAD, UM, TO THE, YOU KNOW, UP UNTIL ABOUT THE 16TH STREET.SO IN THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, PROPERTIES FRONTING ON 17TH STREET.
THIS IS A PORTION OF OUR, ALL OF THIS IS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS PORTION BETWEEN 17TH STREET AND LINCOLN LANE NORTH DOES HAVE A SIGNIFICANT, UH, CONCENTRATION OF, OF LOW SCALE CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS, BUT IT ALSO HAS SOME VACANT PARCELS, UM, THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING USED AS PARKING, AS WELL AS SOME NEWER BUILDINGS.
SO IT'S, IT'S RELATIVELY A MIXTURE.
CURRENTLY THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT ON 17TH STREET IS 80 FEET.
UM, SO WE BELIEVE IN THIS PARTICULAR PORTION FOR PROPERTIES THAT DO NOT CONTAIN A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING, THAT AN INCENTIVE, UM, COULD BE DEVELOPED.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE AN INCREASE IN FAR FROM THE CURRENT 2.75 TO 3.5, THE CURRENT HEIGHT OF ALONG 17TH STREET FROM 80 FEET TO 125 FEET.
AND THEN THE REMAINING SOUTH PORTION OF THAT AREA WOULD BE THE CURRENT HEIGHT FROM 50 FEET WOULD ALSO BE ELIGIBLE FOR 125 FEET.
BUT THIS WOULD BE VERY LIMITED TO PROPERTIES THAT DO NOT CONTAIN CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS.
UH, THE LINCOLN ROAD, THE NORTH SIDE OF LINCOLN ROAD, WE HAVE A CURRENT FAR OF 2.75.
WE DO BELIEVE A INCENTIVE OF 3.5, UM, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE HERE.
WE HAVE A CURRENT HEIGHT OF 50 FEET AND, UH, ARE RECOMMENDING AN INCENTIVE OF UP TO 125 FEET.
THE SOUTH SIDE OF LINCOLN ROAD IS WHERE THE CHARACTER STARTS TO CHANGE MORE DRAMATICALLY.
UM, SOUTH OF THE SOUTH LOT LINES OF LINCOLN ROAD, WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED THE CITY CENTER, THAT PORTION, WHICH WOULD BE THE 16TH STREET PORTION.
UM, THE AREA THAT'S NOT SHADED CURRENTLY ALLOWS FOR A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 100 FEET.
SO IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, UM, WE HAVE A MUCH LOWER CONCENTRATION OF CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS.
WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER HEIGHT JUST TO THE SOUTH THAT IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED.
SO WE DO BELIEVE, UM, THE CURRENT HEIGHT OF 50 FEET COULD BE INCENTIVIZED UP TO 150 FEET.
UM, FOR NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THE FAR RECOMMENDATION IS, UM, THE SAME AS THE OTHER TWO AREAS, WHICH WOULD BE THE 3.5.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MOVE ON TO THE SECOND MAP? SURE.
PJ, IF YOU COULD PULL UP ITEM THREE, PAGE 60.
SO I'LL JUST START IN WITH THIS.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE TRADITIONALLY THINK OF AS THE PEDESTRIAN PORTION OF LINCOLN ROAD.
UM, THIS IS THE PORTION THAT IS CLOSED TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC CURRENTLY.
UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE EVALUATED THIS AREA AND HAVE DEVELOPED DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THREE DISTINCT AREAS.
UM, AREA ONE, WHICH IS THE NORTHERN PORTION, AGAIN BETWEEN 17TH STREET AND LINCOLN LANE NORTH IS CURRENTLY NOT LOCATED WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR AN 80 FOOT HEIGHT, UM, WHICH IS DIFFERENTIATES IT AS WELL.
UM, SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING ON THAT PORTION OF THE PROPOSAL FOR THE INCENTIVE.
NOW THE FAR CURRENTLY IN THIS WESTERN PORTION IS A 2.5, UNLIKE THE EASTERN PORTION, WHICH HAD THE 2.75 FAR.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING AN INCENTIVE OF 3.0, UM, FOR LOTS THAT ARE GREATER THAN 40 THOU, 45,000 SQUARE FEET, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE INCENTIVE OF A 3.5.
UM, THE HEIGHTS ON 17TH STREET ARE 80 FEET CURRENTLY, UM, TO THE SOUTH OF 17TH STREET, THE HEIGHT IS 75 FEET.
CURRENTLY, WE ARE RECOMMENDING AN INCENTIVE OF 150 FEET, UH, LINCOLN LANE, THE NORTH SIDE OF LINCOLN ROAD.
SO THIS IS SOUTH OF LINCOLN LANE.
THIS IS THE PEDESTRIAN MALL, UM, OF LINCOLN ROAD.
A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS, PRIMARILY ONE AND TWO STORY BUILDINGS.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS PORTION ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
UM, WE ARE RECOMMENDING A FAR INCENTIVE FROM A 2.5 TO A 3.0 AND THE HEIGHT FROM A CURRENT
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50 FEET TO, UH, AN INCENTIVE OF 100 FEET.UM, FOR AREA THREE, THIS IS ALSO DIFFERENTIATES ITSELF BECAUSE IT IS IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE LOW SCALE RM ONE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL LOW SCALE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND AS THIS, THIS PORTION OF THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE MORE OF A TRANSITION AREA TO STEP DOWN TOWARD THAT, THAT LOW SCALE, UH, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE CURRENT FAR IS 2.5, AN INCENTIVE UP TO 2.75.
THE CURRENT HEIGHT IS 50 FEET, AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING AN INCENTIVE UP TO 75 FEET.
UM, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN BOTH OF THESE, UM, PROPOSALS IN ALL OF THE AREAS WE ARE RECOMMENDING, UM, CERTAIN SETBACKS, THOSE SETBACKS WOULD BE TO ENSURE THE, UH, CHARACTER OF THE STREET FOR, UH, ANOTHER TERM WOULD BE KIND OF THE STREET WALL.
HOW YOU PERCEIVE THE SPACE, UM, WOULD NOT BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED.
AGAIN, THE WHAT IS THE SETBACK? UM, THE CURRENT SETBACK ALLOWABLE FOR, FOR UP TO 50 FEET CURRENTLY IS ZERO FEET.
AND WE ARE, WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
BEYOND THE 50 FEET, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE SETBACK BE INCREASED FOR THE PORTION BEYOND 50 FEET TO, UH, 50 FEET SETBACK FROM LINCOLN ROAD.
NOW IN THE PEDESTRIAN PORTION, WHICH WAS THE LINCOLN ROAD WEST, WE ALSO HAVE A PROVISION THAT COULD ALLOW THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD TO WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT UP TO 50%.
SO THE BOARD COULD APPROVE A SETBACK OF 25 FEET, UM, IN LIEU OF THE 50 FEET.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE THESE ARE LARGE AREAS OF THE CITY.
THERE ARE CERTAIN PROPERTIES WITHIN THIS AREA THAT ACTUALLY HAVE DIFFERENT LOT, LOT DEPTHS.
SO YOU MAY HAVE A MORE SHALLOW LOT THAT DOES REQUIRE SOME TYPE OF FLEXIBILITY WITH THAT 50 FOOT SETBACK.
UM, BUT WE DID BELIEVE IT IMPORTANT TO, TO, AS A GENERAL RULE, PRESERVE THAT THAT STREET WALL THAT IS CREATED, UM, CURRENTLY AND WITH THE EXISTING REGULATIONS ON ON THE PEDESTRIAN, ON ON BOTH, ON BOTH OF THE, THROUGH THE CHAIR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IS THERE, WHAT WAS THE SETBACK FOR THE, UM, FIRST ITEM OR THE ITEM TWO? IT IS THE SAME.
IT IS 50 FEET FROM LINCOLN ROAD AND 25 FEET FROM THE SIDE STREETS.
AS, EXCEPT AS, EXCEPT THE FIRST ITEM DOES NOT MAKE THE EXCEPTION FOR THE 50% OF THE SETBACK WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW.
AND SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS, WHY WAS IT IN THE JUDGMENT OF THE, OF, OF HARBOR CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT THE SETBACK SHOULD BE THE 50 FEET? YEAH, AND WE, AND WE LOOKED AT THIS CAREFULLY, UM, THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING ROAD IS ALMOST ENTIRELY ONE IN TWO STORY BUILDINGS.
SO THE HISTORIC CHARACTER, THE HISTORIC CHARACTER.
SO WHEN YOU WALK DOWN A STREET WITH, YOU KNOW, EVEN TWO AND THREE STORY BUILDINGS, YOU HAVE A SENSE OF PLACE.
YOU HAVE, YOU CAN SEE THE SKY.
YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT CROSS VENTILATION, WHICH WAS VERY IMPORTANT IN OUR HISTORICAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, AGAIN, THE VIEW CORRIDORS, WHEN YOU LOOK UP, YOU CAN SEE PORTIONS OF SKY.
SO I THINK SETBACKS ARE IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE THAT, THAT CHARACTER.
ALSO, THE STREET WALL, THESE ARE NOT HUGELY WIDE BOULEVARDS.
UM, TYPICALLY IN, IN CERTAIN OTHER CITIES AROUND THE WORLD, YOU HAVE VERY LARGE HISTORIC BOULEVARDS WITH MUCH GREATER SCALE BUILDINGS ON EITHER SIDE.
THOSE CAN ACCOMMODATE MAYBE A HIGHER STREET WALL BECAUSE HISTORICALLY THEY HAD ONE.
THESE ARE JUST VERY LOW SCALE AREAS.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE ARE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO NOT HAVING THE SETBACK FOR 50 FEET, FOR 50 FEET IN HEIGHT, WHICH IS THE CURRENTLY ALLOWABLE.
IT WOULD BE THE, BUT BEYOND, BEYOND 50 FEET IN HEIGHT.
UM, WE DO THINK IT IS, UH, IMPORTANT TO HAVE A SETBACK.
WE LOOKED AT THE PROPERTIES, WE ACTUALLY SAW A PROJECT, UM, AT THE STERLING BUILDING MANY YEARS AGO, UM, UNDER A DIFFERENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY ABLE TO ACHIEVE A, A VIABLE PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED.
UM, WITH THAT SETBACK, THEY ACTUALLY HAD ADDITIONAL SETBACKS THAN, THAN WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO WE LOOKED AT THAT PROJECT AS A PROTOTYPE TO SEE IF IT COULD WORK.
AND IN, SO LET ME ASK YOU, WHAT IS, UH, THE WIDTH OF, OF LINCOLN ROAD, UH, IN THIS WEST AREA? I ALMOST SAY IT WAS CLOSE TO A HUNDRED FEET, WASN'T IT? PROBABLY A HUNDRED FEET.
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IN MANY OF THESE AREAS, IN THE AREAS FRONTING, UH, LINCOLN ROAD, THE HEIGHT WOULD STILL BE CONTEXTUAL TO THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD? YES.UM, COMMISSIONER SWAR J JUST FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
WHEN, WHEN WE DID THE INCENTIVE FOR HOTELS ON WASHINGTON AVENUE, WHAT IS THE SETBACK THAT THE MOXIE AND THE GOOD TIME HOTEL HAD TO ADHERE TO? I DON'T RECALL THE, I THINK IT WAS AT LEAST 25, 20 FEET.
I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP, THOSE PROJECTS, BUT DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T TOO OVERBEARING ON, ON, ON THE YES.
OR IMPOSING ON, ON WASHINGTON AVENUE.
SO, UM, IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM WITH 50 FEET? SO LET'S, YOU KNOW, UH, SO, SO THE 50 FOOT SETBACK WOULD ONLY BE FOR AREA ONE OR AREA TWO.
THE WAIVER PROVISION BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD IS FOR THE LINCOLN ROAD WEST.
AND, AND, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO, AS MUCH AS WE CAN, AS WE ARE WORKING ON INCENTIVIZING THE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY OF THE AREA AND BRINGING, AND BRINGING POPULATION THAT CAN SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES THERE.
I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT WE NEED TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER LINCOLN ROAD.
IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, EXCEPT FOR CERTAIN NODES, UM, IT'S PRETTY LOW SCALE, YOU KNOW, SO YOU GOT TO THE INTERSECTIONS AND THE INTERSECTIONS.
THERE ARE TIMES WHERE YOU GO UP, LIKE AT THE VAN D***S BUILDING, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE, UH, THE SONY BUILDING THAT GOES UP IN HEIGHT.
UH, YOU HAVE THE FOUR 20 BUILDING, THE 4 0 5, UH, BUILDING WHERE YOU GO UP AT THE INTERSECTIONS.
BUT AS YOU GO FURTHER, FURTHER INTO, INTO MIDBLOCK, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LOWER SCALE AND, AND, AND PER AND SO, AND SO, I JUST WANT TO BE SENSITIVE OF, OF, OF THE FACT THAT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GIVE THE, UH, THE, THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO WAVE SETBACKS, PEOPLE WILL SEEK THOSE WAIVERS.
AND THOSE WAIVERS, IF THEY'RE GRANTED, WILL AFFECT THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE ROAD.
UH, AND, AND IN, AND IN MY SENSE, THE LACK, IN MY PERSPECTIVE, THE LACK OF THE SETBACKS DOES CREATE A CANYON EFFECT THAT YOU DON'T EXPERIENCE RIGHT NOW IN, UH, ON LINCOLN ROAD.
LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN MIDTOWN, YOU KNOW, MIDTOWN IS NOT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MORE ORIGINAL, UM, BUILDINGS IN MIDTOWN, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT CANYON EFFECT, EVEN THOUGH THE BUILDINGS ARE NOT THAT HIGH.
BUT YOU DO HAVE A CANYON EFFECT.
AND, UH, AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE THAT HERE.
AND SETBACKS DO SERVE THAT PURPOSE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PERHAPS CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTIONS, THOSE NODES AT THE INTERSECTIONS, YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD DEFER TO OUR PLANNING STAFF TO TELL US IF IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE THERE.
MAYBE GIVE, GIVE WAYS TO REDUCE, UH, THOSE, THOSE SETBACKS AT INTERSECTIONS WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU TEND TO HAVE, UH, SOME OF THAT HYPE, BUT FURTHER, FURTHER IN MIDBLOCK.
IT'S GONNA AFFECT THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AND IT'S GONNA AFFECT THE HISTORIC CHARACTER, THE LOW SCALE, HISTORIC CHARACTER OF IT.
LIKE, UM, I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE, LIKE I SAID, THAT UH, THE GOOD TIME MOTEL AND THE MOXIE, THEY, THEY TOOK, I THINK, I BELIEVE IT'S 25 FEET.
AND WHEN YOU WALK ALONG WASHINGTON AVENUE, IF YOU'RE LIKE WALKING EVEN ON THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE, YOU DON'T SEE THE BUILDINGS, YOU DON'T SEE THE MOXIE, YOU DON'T, YOU, YOU, THE GOOD TIME.
I DON'T KNOW IT WAS SHAPED WORD LIKE A Z BUT FOR THE MOXIE, I THINK IT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
UM, I GUESS THE PROPOSAL HERE IS 50 FEET AND WITH A WAIVER IT WOULD GO TO 50%.
UM, THERE'S NO CANYON EFFECT BECAUSE IT'S ONE BUILDING AND IT'S ALSO WIDER.
IF, IF IT, AND IT'S WHY, IF IT, IF IT, IF IT WERE THE ENTIRE STREET, YOU WOULD FEEL IT.
BUT THERE, IT'S, IT'S ONE BUILDING AND YOU DO SEE IT.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, I, AGAIN, I I I, I DEFER TO, TO, TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THIS.
UM, 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE EXPERTS ON PRESERVATION.
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HISTORIC CORRIDOR HERE, AND WE WANNA HELP IT BE MORE SUCCESSFUL.BUT I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, CAUTION US TO ERODE FROM THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.
THIS IS A, A PEDESTRIAN PROMENADE, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WASHINGTON AVENUE.
WASHINGTON AVENUE IS NOT A PEDESTRIAN PROMENADE.
AND, UH, AND, AND FOR MORRIS LAPUS, THAT WAS A BIG DEAL.
MORRIS LAPUS WAS ENVISIONING A PEDESTRIAN, UH, PROMENADE WHEN HE, WHEN HE CLOSED THE STREET, WHICH IS NOT HOW, UH, WASHINGTON AVENUE, UH, WAS, WAS ENVISIONED.
UH, SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, IS 50 FEET WITH A POSSIBLE WAIVER OF UP TO 50%, UM, WITH, IS THAT A FIVE, FIVE SEVENS VOTE? IS THAT A FOUR SEVENS VOTE? SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
WE ARE, WE DO APPRECIATE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN CERTAIN INSTANCES.
THIS IS CHALLENGING BECAUSE IN THE PAST, LIKE WITH THE MOXY AND WITH OTHER, UH, THE, THE OTHER WASHINGTON AVENUE, THE GOOD TIME, WE ACTUALLY HAD DRAFT PROPOSALS AT THE TIME, THOSE REGULATIONS WERE IN PLACE.
EVERY PROPERTY IS SO UNIQUE THAT IT IS DIFFICULT TO SET A ABSOLUTE, UM, SETBACK.
AND I THINK THE WAIVER PROVISION FOR UP TO 50%, WHICH WOULD BE THE 25 FOOT SETBACK, UM, COULD BE WARRANTED IN, IN CERTAIN INSTANCES.
UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S ALSO A, YOU KNOW, IF IF IT'S NOT A WAIVER, THERE WOULD ALSO BE A VARIANCE PROVISION.
IF IT, IF THERE WAS NO WAIVER AND IT WAS A VARIANCE, IT WOULD BE A FIVE SEVENS VOTE.
A WAIVER ALONE WOULD NOT REQUIRE FIVE SEVENS.
BUT OFTEN A WAIVER IS TIED TO A LARGER APPLICATION THAT INCLUDES DEMOLITION OR PARTIAL DEMOLITION THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE FIVE SEVENS VOTE.
SO ULTIMATELY IT'S LIKELY TO BE PACKAGED AS PART OF OTHER REQUESTS FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD THAT REQUIRE THE FIVE SEVENS THROUGH THE CHAIR WITH A FIVE SEVENS VOTE.
AND SO, AND, AND SO, SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THOUGHT WHEN THE ITEM CAME INITIALLY BEFORE US, THE ADMINISTRATION WASN'T RECOMMENDING A WAIVER.
WE DID NOT HAVE A WAIVER PROVISION IN OUR INITIAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, WE DEVELOPED THIS INITIALLY BY LOOKING AT THE ROAD, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT AN ACTUAL PROJECT THAT HAD, IT WAS UP TO 75 FEET AT THE STERLING HOTEL.
UM, AND IT WAS, I THINK 20 FEET FROM THE SIDE STREET.
AND THAT MASSING WISE, 'CAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY REAL PROJECT WE HAD TO KIND OF GO BY, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS SLIGHTLY SHORTER THAN WHAT THIS IS PROPOSING, UM, WAS ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT 50 FOOT SETBACK.
SO FROM AN URBAN DESIGN AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION PERSPECTIVE, SINCE THAT, AND AGAIN, THAT'S ONE SPECIFIC PROJECT, WAS ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT VERY SUCCESSFULLY.
I MEAN, IT WAS, IT WAS A VERY COMPATIBLE PROJECT.
OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO, TO HAVE THAT AS THE MINIMUM SETBACK.
I AGREE IN MOST INSTANCES, THAT IS LIKELY GOING TO BE A, A VIABLE SETBACK FOR MOST PROJECTS.
HOWEVER, THERE COULD BE INSTANCES WHERE AN APPLICANT MAY, AN APPLICATION MAY WARRANT A BIT OF DEVIATION FROM THAT.
I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T FULLY REVIEWED ONE.
AND THERE IS A PROVISION, EVEN IF IT, THERE WAS NO WAIVER, THE APPLICANT COULD STILL REQUEST AS A VARIANCE.
SO, SO, SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
IS THERE A MAXIMUM, IS, IS THERE A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF SETBACK THAT IS GONNA BE REQUIRED IN THE POLICY EVEN IF THEY GO SEEK A, A WAIVER? OR CAN THEY SEEK A WAIVER FOR 100% OF THE SETBACK? CURRENTLY IN THE LINCOLN ROAD WEST PROPOSAL, THE MAXIMUM THE BOARD COULD WAVE WOULD BE THE 25 FEET.
SO, OKAY, SO, SO IT WOULD BE YOU AND YOU MENTIONED THAT EARLIER IT WOULD BE JUST HALF.
I, I HAVE CONCERNS WITH IT, BUT, BUT IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, I'M GONNA FOLLOW YOUR, YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
UH, I, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I JUST, UH, GET CONCERNED BY IT.
UM, SO, SO BETWEEN THE TWO, UH, PROPOSALS BEFORE US, UM, TELL US WHAT IS THE SUMMARY OF IMPACTS? WHAT ARE THE SUMMARY OF IMPACTS? UH, HOW MANY UNITS ARE WE, DO WE ANTICIPATE WOULD BE CREATED? UH, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF POPULATION TRAFFIC, UH, WATER CONSUMPTION, UH, SEWER ISSUES? UH, IF YOU COULD WALK US THROUGH THAT FOR THE TWO APPLICATIONS.
AND I HAVE, UH, LIO MADAN HERE FROM PLANNING AS WELL, UM, WHO ACTUALLY PREPARED
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SOME OF THIS AND, UM, MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.UM, FOR THE LINCOLN ROAD EAST ON PAGE 31 OF YOUR BOOK, WE HAVE OUTLINED THE, UM, THIS WOULD BE, IF, IF THE, ALL OF THE PROPERTIES WERE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS, THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE.
UM, SO IT'S A POTENTIAL INCREASE OF 350 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, POTENTIAL POPULATION INCREASE OF 875 PEOPLE, POTENTIAL INCREASE OF 205 PEAK HOUR VEHICLE TRIPS, POTENTIAL INCREASE OF 136,500 GALLONS OF POTABLE WATER CONSUMPTION PER DAY POTENTIAL INCREASE OF 122,500 GALLONS OF SANITARY SEWER TRANSMISSION PER DAY, AND A POTENTIAL INCREASE OF 1,116 TONS OF SOLID WASTE COLLECTION PER YEAR.
UM, SO ADDITIONALLY, UM, WE HAVE PROVIDED A, A, A TRANSIT, TRANSP TRANSIT MAP.
SO THAT SHOWS THE, THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK IN TERMS OF THE BUS ROUTES.
UM, THESE NUMBERS ARE BASED OFF OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE COUNTY'S, UH, WATER CAPACITY.
AND THE, THE TRAFFIC COUNTS ARE GENERATED FROM THE, UM, ITE, WHICH IS THE STANDARD BEST PRACTICE THAT TRAFFIC ENGINEERS USE, UH, DEPENDING ON THE USE.
UM, BUT THIS IS NOT A FORMAL INFRASTRUCTURE ANALYSIS OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY UNDERGROUND.
I THINK WE HAVE, UM, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT HERE.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
AND AGAIN, ROGELIO MADON FROM MY OFFICE DID A GREAT JOB ON THIS AND CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
AND I'D LIKE TO, UH, RECOGNIZE, UH, THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR IF YOU APPROACHED THE PODIUM.
SO IN, IN THE MEMO, I SEE THAT, UH, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS CURRENTLY STUDYING, UH, THE SEW SYSTEM THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UM, AND BASED ON THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'VE HEARD, UM, WHAT CONDITIONS ARE OUR SANITARY SEWER, UH, SYSTEMS IN, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE THIS AND WHAT DO WE NEED TO BE DOING TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T CREATE A PROBLEM FOR OUR CITY? WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, CHAIRMAN FERNANDEZ FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, BRAD KANE, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
SO WE, WE'VE GOTTEN AN INITIAL PROPOSAL FROM HAZEN AND SAWYER TO DO, UM, AN ANALYSIS OF THAT WHOLE ENTIRE AREA, UH, AT THIS POINT.
SO I COULDN'T TELL YOU SPECIFICS UNTIL THAT PROCESS IS COMPLETED.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU IN GENERAL, UM, ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THESE AREAS, UM, THAT OUR RESIDENTIAL WOULD REQUIRE, UH, ANY APPLICANT TO DO A HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS MODEL, AND BASED UPON WHATEVER THE APPLICANT'S, UM, MODEL RESULTS ARE, THAT WOULD DETERMINE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHETHER ANY INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES WOULD NEED TO BE MADE, UH, AT THAT TIME BASED UPON WHAT EXACTLY DEVELOPMENT AND HOW IT WOULD, UH, AFFECT OUR SYSTEM.
SO, SO THE HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS MODELS WILL INDICATE WHETHER UPGRADES NEED TO BE DONE TO THE SYSTEM AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT.
HOW, HOW IT WOULD AFFECT IF IT'S INCREASED PIPE SIZE, IF IT'S NEEDING A, TO HAVE TO PUT IN A LIFT STATION, IT WOULD ALL DEPEND ON, YOU KNOW, HOW BIG IT IS.
AND IT WOULD JUST REALLY DEPEND ON EACH INDIVIDUAL APPLICANT, UH, AT THE TIME.
SO, SO, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE APPLICATIONS, ONE APPLICATION IS GONNA CREATE 2000 PEOPLE, UH, THAT'S GONNA GENERATE, UH, NEARLY OR ABOUT 280,000, UH, GALLONS OF SANITARY SEW TRANSMISSION, UH, WHICH IS WHY YOU WOULD NEED A POTENTIAL LIFT STATION AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF, BUT THAT ADDRESS, THAT LIFT STATION THAT A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND PLACES AS PART OF THEIR APPLICATION, IS THAT FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE SYSTEM, FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE LINE, OR IS THAT JUST IMPROVEMENTS MADE RIGHT IN FRONT OR WITHIN THE GENERAL PROXIMITY OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT? IT, IT REALLY WOULD JUST DEPEND ON, YOU KNOW, HOW BIG IT IS AND HOW MUCH, AND HOW FAR THINGS HAVE TO GO DOWN.
WE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN WITH THE HAZEN AND SAWYER POTENTIAL, UH, REPORT THAT, UH, WE WOULD DO IS IT WOULD ADDRESS WHAT CONDITIONS NEED TO BE MADE TO BRING THE SYSTEM UP TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, AND THEN WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THERE WAS NEW DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S PART OF WHAT HAZEN AND SAWYER, UH, WAS ASKED TO, UH, PREPARE IN THEIR PRICE PROPOSAL I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA SPECULATE LIKE THINGS WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WITHOUT THOSE KIND OF THINGS DONE, BECAUSE I'M JUST BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, NOT GIVING YOU FULL INFORMATION WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT
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INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT'S COMPLETED.BUT YES, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION THROUGH THE CHAIR.
SO IT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ASKING THIS CONSULTANT TO DO A STUDY BECAUSE OUR SYSTEMS MAY NOT BE UP TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE FOR CURRENT USAGE LEVELS.
WE, WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE, THAT WHOLE AREA.
SO THIS WOULD BE ON TOP OF THAT.
SO WE, WE COULDN'T, IN THEORY, WE SHOULDN'T BE GREENLINING ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA UNTIL WE KNOW WHETHER OR NOT OUR SYSTEMS ARE SUFFICIENT FOR WHAT'S THERE NOW.
AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO THEN WITH THAT INFORMATION, EXTRAPOLATE WHAT INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN TO, UM, EFFECTUATE DEVELOPMENT.
IS THAT, AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? I WANT THE DIRECTOR TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE STUDY WOULD, WOULD, WOULD PROVIDE A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION TO US.
SO THE STUDY'S SAYING WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE, WE MIGHT BE FINE.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE GET THE STUDY BACK.
BUT YOUR, YOUR ANALYSIS ASSET IS LIKELY THAT UPGRADES WILL BE NEEDED IN PROXIMITY TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SITES, MR. CHAIR, SIR? CORRECT.
SO, UM, JUST TO, JUST TO CLARIFY, IF THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT, UM, YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STUDY AND PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES? CORRECT? THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THOSE COSTS.
AND THEN ANYTHING THAT, UM, WELL, SO, SO I JUST, I I, I, I WANNA MAKE CLEAR TO MY COLLEAGUES THAT IF THERE IS GONNA BE A DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPER IS GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR OWN STUDY IN ORDER TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND IF THERE'S UPGRADES THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR IT IN ORDER TO GET THE BUILDING PERMIT.
THEY, THEY WOULD'VE TO BOARD THE, THE COST OF THAT.
SO REGARDLESS IF WE PAY FOR A THIRD PARTY STUDY OR NOT, IT IS GONNA HAVE TO BE, UH, UH, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE STUDIED BY WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT AS PART OF A PERMIT PROCESS FOR, FOR THE CITY TO, UH, TO DEVELOP.
AND ANY APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE CHAIR BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT.
WOULD IT JUST BE TO THE, UM, IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, OR WOULD IT POTENTIALLY HAVE TO UPGRADE THE SYSTEM ON, ON THE WHOLE LINE? SO POTENTIALLY, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO ANSWER THIS.
IF, IF THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT AND THERE IS SIGNIFICANT UPGRADES TO, UH, TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS TO BE NEEDED, NOT JUST THAT PROPERTY MIGHT BENEFIT, OTHER PROPERTIES MIGHT BENEFIT ADJACENT TO IT, POTENTIALLY.
BUT YOUR MEMORANDUM SAYS THAT IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE IN THE PROXIMITY TO THE DEVELOPMENT SITE.
IT, IT JUST, SO NO, BUT SO, SO IF, IF A DEVELOPMENT SITE USING AN INCREASED FAR, IT'S GONNA GENERATE A, A, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, OF GALLONS OF, OF, YOU KNOW, SEWER TRANSMISSIONS PER DAY THAT IS GONNA BE TRANSMITTED NOT JUST THROUGH THE INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT OUTSIDE OR NEAR PROXIMITY TO THAT DEVELOPMENT SITE.
BUT ONCE IT GOES BEYOND THAT, WE, I INHERIT THE PROBLEM OF, UH, OF, UH, OF AN ANTIQUATED SEWER SYSTEM.
AND SO HOW DO YOU DEAL, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE FIRST PROJECT, THE FIRST PROJECT THEY'RE GONNA COME IN, UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE, AS OF RIGHT TO DO DEVELOPMENTS AS PER THIS LEGISLATION.
AND THEY'RE GONNA COME IN AND DO IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE MORE THAN LIKELY IN THEIR, IN THEIR PROXIMITY.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS FURTHER DOWNSTREAM IN THE SYSTEM? UM, IS THE DEVELOPER RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR, FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS FURTHER, FURTHER DOWNSTREAM? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO PLAN FOR? I, I THINK IT'S ALL GONNA BE TIED TO HOW BIG THESE PROJECTS ARE.
IF THEY'RE BIG IN, IN, UM, UH, STATUE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT STUDY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT, WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH HAZEN AND SAWYER WILL GIVE US A GOOD DETERMINATION OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE THINGS NEED TO BE AT AND THEN WHAT THE FUTURE COULD LOOK LIKE.
IT'S, I IT'S VERY HARD TO JUST SPECULATE ABOUT THINGS 'CAUSE WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GONNA GO THERE.
WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE.
BUT THE HAZEN AND SAWYER STUDY, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD HELP JUST GIVE US A GENERAL IDEA OF, YOU
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KNOW, WHERE WE NEED TO BE, BRING THINGS UP TO COMMISSION, AND WHAT THINGS COULD LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE, COMMISSIONER BOND, AND THEN, UH, GONNA, UH, RECOGNIZE THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.SO, I MEAN, WE DO HAVE A PROPOSED SENSE OF, WELL, A SENSE OF WHAT COULD BE PROPOSED, RIGHT? WHETHER OR NOT I AGREE WITH IT, OR WHETHER OR NOT IT BECOMES POLICY, THERE IS AN ENVELOPE OF WHAT'S PROPOSED.
I, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS, AND I'M, WITH ALL MY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND FAST TRAINING AS A CITY PLANNER, UM, TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, BUT WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT IN A SECOND.
BUT, SO WE DO HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT, WHAT THE PRO, I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING.
IT'S GONNA BE BUILDINGS THAT ARE TWICE THE SIZE OF WHAT'S THERE NOW WITH INCREASED DENSITY.
UM, AND I DO, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COMMISSIONER SUAREZ ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE DEVELOPER WILL HAVE TO DO THEIR OWN, UM, MITIGATION STUDIES TO DETERMINE WHAT IMPACT THERE'S GONNA BE FOR SEWAGE AND WATER USE AND ALL THAT KINDA STUFF.
BUT WE ALL KNOW WATER DOESN'T STOP AT, AT PLAT LINES, AND WE HAVE A HISTORY OF, UM, UM, WATER INFRASTRUCTURE GETTING A, A, A, YOU KNOW, A SHORTER LIFE THAN WE WOULD LIKE ALL OVER THE CITY.
AND, UM, I, I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT, HOW QUICKLY IS THIS, HAS IN SAWYER PROPOSAL GONNA COME ONLINE? DO WE THINK? IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE STILL PROPOSING THERE HAS TO BE FUNDING APPROVED FOR IT, AND IT COULD PROBABLY TAKE THREE TO FOUR MONTHS.
IT'S, IT'S WITHIN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS FROM START TO FINISH FROM WHERE WE'RE TODAY, ROUGHLY.
I MEAN, TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE, NOT THAT THIS SHOULD DERAIL ANYTHING, BUT IT WOULD, IT, I THINK WE WOULD MAKE BETTER DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT WE CAN AFFORD TO BUILD THERE ONCE WE KNOW HOW SOLID OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS, BECAUSE WE, OR EVEN IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, WE KNOW WHAT THE CITY NEEDS TO PLAN FOR IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, EVEN IF WE APPROVE THIS WELL.
AND WHETHER IT'S THE CITY IS DOING IT, OR THE DEVELOPERS ARE DOING IT, YOU KNOW, FOR, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TALKING ON LINCOLN ROAD, YOU KNOW, PRESUMABLY THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA TEAR UP LINCOLN ROAD TO GET TO THE PIPES.
THEY'D HAVE TO DO IT ON THE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE ALLEYS OR ON THE, THE, THE BACKSIDES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NON PEDESTRIAN ROADS.
LIKE I, I, I THINK THIS IS JUST A LOT MORE, THERE'S A LOT MORE GOING ON HERE BECAUSE LINCOLN ROAD WASN'T CONTEMPLATED TO BE RESIDENTIAL, UM, OR HASN'T BEEN, AT LEAST IN DECADES.
SO IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT USE, YOU KNOW, HAVING PEOPLE IN RESTAURANTS AND STORES USING THE SANITARY SYSTEM VERSUS FAMILIES, UM, WHO LIVE THERE.
SO I'M, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NORTH BEACH, WE'RE FOUR YEARS INTO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UM, A, A WATER CLEANLINESS ISSUE THAT NOBODY EVER CONTEMPLATED.
SO I AM, I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO AVOID OVER HERE.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PLAN AND WE CAN PASS LEGISLATION, BUT PASSING LEGISLATION, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S TOGETHER WITH THE PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE.
WELL, AND THE OTHER THING IS, AND IT, THIS IS TANGENTIALLY RELATED, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DRIVE DOWN PINE TREE ALMOST EVERY DAY COMING INTO CITY HALL, AND THERE'S THAT, THAT, I DON'T KNOW, PUMP STATION, WHATEVER IT IS, ON THAT LITTLE CIRCLE NEAR 28TH, DOES NOT SMELL GOOD.
AND I COUNT MY BLESSINGS THAT I'M NOT ON THE PEOPLE WHO LIVES IN ONE OF THOSE BEAUTIFUL HOMES ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NASTY AND I KNOW IT'S BEING WORKED ON, AND I'M SURE IT'LL GET RESOLVED EVENTUALLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NOT FOR NOTHING.
BUT LINCOLN ROAD IS ONE OF OUR PREMIER TOURIST DESTINATIONS.
THE LAST THING WE NEED ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE IT'S DEALING WITH IS FOR IT TO HAVE SEWAGE ISSUES OR PUMP SMELLS, OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS IS NOT JUST ANY STREET THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO I JUST WANNA BE REALLY CAUTIOUS AND MINDFUL ABOUT HOW WE PROCEED, WHICH IS NOT TO SAY STOP, BUT IT'S, IT'S TO SAY, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE REALLY THINKING ALL THE ANGLES THROUGH.
I DON'T WANT TO, UH, EXTEND THE CONVERSATION TOO LONG, BUT TO ADD TO WHAT BRAD WAS TALKING ABOUT, MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND, UM, TO PROVIDE SANITARY SEWER SERVICE, THERE'S ONLY THREE WAYS TO MOVE THAT SANITARY SEWER.
ONE IS THROUGH GRAVITY, ONE IS PUMPED, OR THIRD IS A COMBINATION OF THE TWO.
SO WHEN A DEVELOPER, A DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA COME ONLINE, AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PERFORM HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS, BUT WHAT THAT INVOLVES IS FIGURING OUT ONE, CAN THEY JUST DO IT BY GRAVITY? IF THEY CAN JUST GO OUTSIDE THEIR BUILDING AND CONNECT TO THE CLOSEST PIPE BY GRAVITY, THAT WOULD NOT IMPACT THE SYSTEM AND ALLOWS 'EM TO COME ON.
IF THAT'S A PROBLEM, THEN THEY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GO TO A PRESSURIZED SYSTEM, WHICH TIME THEY WOULD HAVE TO POTENTIALLY CONSTRUCT THEIR OWN PUMP STATION OR LIFT STATION AND CONNECT A PRESSURIZED
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PIPE SOMEWHERE DOWNSTREAM.IF I'M THE DEVELOPER, YOU WANNA DO IT AS CLOSE TO YOUR PROJECT AS POSSIBLE, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA BUILD LONGER PIPES THAN YOU NEED TO.
AND THAT'S WHAT, WHY THE MEMORANDUM SAYS IN NEAR PROXIMITY OR IN THE VICINITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT, TO A POINT WHERE NOW CAN, THEY CAN MAKE THEIR DISCHARGE WITHOUT IMPACTING ANYBODY ELSE.
UH, THE CITY HAS ADEQUATE CAPACITY THROUGH THEIR NETWORK OF MASTER PUMP STATIONS, WHICH RIGHT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE ONE ON 28TH STREET THAT COMMISSIONER BOT WAS REFERRING IS ONE OF OUR MASTER PUMP STATIONS.
THE IDEA IS TO GET THE SANITARY SEWER TO, AT SOME FORM OR ANOTHER, TO THE NEAREST MASTER PUMP STATION THAT EVENTUALLY GETS IT TO VIRGINIA KEY.
I HOPE THAT'S NOT TOO TECHNICAL, BUT I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT.
AND, AND THAT OCCURS EVERY TIME ANY DEVELOPMENT COMES ONLINE ABOVE A CERTAIN CAPACITY.
DAVID, HOW DO WE, THE ZONING IS IMPORTANT, AND WE NEED TO WORK ON THE ZONING BECAUSE IT'S NEEDED FOR THE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY IN THE, IN THE AREA.
BUT HOW DO WE MAKE SURE, I, BECAUSE I STILL HAVEN'T RECEIVED A CLEAR ANSWER TO THIS, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THE UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE IS PLANNED TO BE UPGRADED, TO KEEP UP WITH THE CAPACITY THAT IS, THAT, NOT, NOT WITH THE CAPACITY, BUT WITH THE USAGE THAT IS GONNA BE GENERATED BY THE ZONING.
AND THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING THAT IS BECAUSE WHAT I AM HEARING RIGHT NOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE VERY PIECEMEAL PATCHES.
YOU KNOW, ONE DEVELOPER COMES IN, DOES A PATCH, THEN ANOTHER DEVELOPER COMES IN AND DOES ANOTHER PROJECT AND DOES A PATCH.
AND TO ME, THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE TYPE OF PATCHWORK INFRASTRUCTURE WE SHOULD BE HAVING.
WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING PATCHWORK INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE SHOULD BE HAVING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE POPULATION AND THE DEMAND OF THE POPULATION.
UM, SO HOW DO WE PLAN FOR THAT? AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'M EXPLAINING MYSELF RIGHT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A VALID CONCERN.
IF YOU FEEL THE CONCERN IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT, THEN TELL ME.
UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE IN OUR ZONING LEGISLATION TO SUPPORT THE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY, BUT I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE IN OUR LEGISLATION NOT TO HURT, UH, THE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CITY THAT COULD CREATE A GREATER, UH, FINANCIAL CHALLENGE FOR THE CITY IN THE FUTURE.
SO IF YOU COULD RESPOND TO THAT, DAVID, CERTAINLY.
UM, I, I THINK THAT EVERY UTILITY, INCLUDING OURS, HAS A PLAN IN TERMS OF, UH, WHEN, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND OR UPGRADED.
UH, THERE, THERE'S, IN MY MIND, THERE'S THREE PIECES TO THAT.
UH, ONE IS, IS, IS THE UTILITY TOO OLD? IS IT OUTDATED? DOES IT NEED TO BE REPLACED JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT IT TO COLLAPSE OR HAVE ANY ISSUES? TWO, IT, ASSUMING IT'S NOT IN THAT CONDITION, IS IT SURCHARGED OR DO YOU HAVE OTHER, UH, WHAT WE CALL INFLUE AND INFILTRATION IN, IN THE INDUSTRY OF, UH, OTHER WATER, OTHER SOURCES THAT GET INTO IT, THAT IT'S OCCUPYING CAPACITY THAT YOU CAN OTHERWISE USE FOR THE PURPOSE THAT IS INTENDED FOR.
AND THREE, DOES IT, DOES IT NEED TO BE UPSIZED FOR SOME REASON, FOR, FOR SOME REASON OR ANOTHER? UM, I'LL LEAD TO UP TO BRAD IF HE WANTS TO GET INTO ANY DETAILS, BUT I, I KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT HAS THESE PROGRAMS IN PLACE AND HAS A PLAN FOR RENEWAL AND REPLACEMENT OF, OF THESE FACILITIES OVER, OVER TIME.
IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE, OBVIOUSLY, TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE.
SO YOU HAVE TO PLAN FOR IT AND JUST LIKE A CAPITAL PROGRAM AND, AND, AND, AND TREAT IT THAT WAY.
COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, THANK COMMISSIONER BOT.
UH, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD THERE, THERE, THERE WE HAVE OUTDATED INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND TO THINK THAT THE CITY IS GONNA COME UP AND RIP UP THE LINCOLN ROAD TO, TO UPGRADE IT, THAT'S, THAT COULD BE ALMOST LIKE A BILLION DOLLARS.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PERFECT REASON WHY WE SHOULD ALLOW THESE DEVELOPERS TO COME IN, BUT IT'S NOT A BILLION DOLLARS TO, TO, I JUST, I JUST NEED TO KNOW IT.
A BILLION DOLLARS IF THEY WERE TO COMPLETELY UP, WELL, THINK, LOOK AT, LOOK AT SOUTH FIFTH, RIGHT? LOOK AT, LOOK AT THE, LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE SPENDING THERE FOR, UH, FOR, FOR SEA LEVEL RISE.
RIGHT? AND, AND YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT TO MENTION THE ECONOMIC DAMAGE THAT WOULD HAPPEN TO LINCOLN ROAD, UH, BECAUSE OF, OF A RESULT OF CLOSING STORES.
BUT BE, BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T WANT OUR PUBLIC TO BE IN FEAR.
SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY RESPONSIBLE WITH THE WORDS WE'RE USING HERE AND THE INFORMATION WE'RE SAYING, IF THERE IS A NEED, THIS, OUR VOTES ARE TIED WITH THE LEGISLATION THAT WE PASS, AND WE'RE ALSO TIED WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF OUR VOTES AND THE LEGISLATION THAT WE PASS.
IF WE NEED TO GO IN AND, AND UPGRADE
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THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON LINCOLN ROAD, LET'S SAY TO CREATE SEWER CAPACITY, WHAT DID, WHAT, WHAT COULD BE AN ANTICIPATED COST TO THAT? IS IT, IS IT ANYTHING LIKE WHAT WAS MENTIONED? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT COMMISSION.I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, IT NECESSARILY IS THAT MUCH.
TYPICALLY, MOST OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS REPLACED AS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND SOME OTHER SELECT PROJECTS.
EXAMPLE, JUST RECENTLY WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ON THE LINCOLN ROAD PHASE TWO PROJECT THAT INVOLVES MERIDIAN AS PART OF THAT PROJECT, SINCE WE'RE OPENING UP THE ROAD, WE'RE REPLACING AGED INFRASTRUCTURE AND UPSIZING SOME OF IT AS WE DO THESE STRETCHES.
WE'VE DONE THAT ON EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECT THAT WE'VE DONE.
WE'VE REPLACED AGING AND, AND, AND REPAIRED, UH, PROBLEMATIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO SOLAR INFRASTRUCTURE WE'RE GONNA BE REPLACING AS WE'RE ACTUALLY, YES.
WE'RE ACTUALLY REPLACING A 30 INCH, 30 INCH FORCE MAIN ON MERIDIAN.
I THINK IT'S A 30 INCH FORCE MAIN.
AND, AND, AND ARE WE GONNA BE REPLACING IT ON THE ROAD AS WELL? OR, OR THE ROAD? CORRECT.
AND BRAD, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY MAJOR UTILITIES ON THE CORRIDOR OF LINCOLN ROAD ITSELF.
EVERYTHING IS ON THE NEEDS THE SEW NEEDS TO GOT FROM A BUILDING THAT'S MID-BLOCK TO THE FORCE MAIN.
AND, AND SO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, YEAH, THERE'S SOME OF IT THAT THE DEVELOPER'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT CONNECTS TO THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, BUT, BUT, BUT HOW DOES A PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CONNECTS TO THE FORCE MAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU UPGRADING THAT AS PART OF THE, OF THE CIP PROJECT? NO, WE'RE NOT.
AND SHOULDN'T WE, WE WE'RE NOT.
WE, WE WOULDN'T, THE LINCOLN ROAD PROJECT WAS INTENDED TO BE A, A, AN AESTHETIC IMPROVEMENT TO THE CORRIDOR.
THE CORRECTION OF THESE UTILITIES HAS BEEN SORT OF AN INCIDENTAL TO THE WORK THAT WAS BEING DONE ON, FOR EXAMPLE, MERIDIAN OR DREXEL.
SO WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS IN ORDER TO, UH, CORRECT.
SO, BUT IF A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND THEY DO A PROJECT THAT INCREASES THE, UH, FLOW AND THAT, AND THAT YOU NEED TO GO IN NOW AND YOU NEED TO UPGRADE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT GOES, THAT GOES TO THAT FORCE MATE.
UM, BECAUSE IS THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE ALLEY? IT MIGHT BE A POINT SOURCE, AND IT WOULD BE EITHER IN THE LINCOLN LANES, SOUTH OR NORTH, DEPENDING ON WHICH SIDE THE PROJECT IS ON.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, IF, IF THE REQUIREMENT IS A PRESSURIZED SYSTEM, THEY WOULD CONNECT AT A POINT SOURCE.
IT MIGHT BE ONE LOCATION THAT GETS IMPACTED.
THEY WOULD NOT BE REPLACING, UH, AN EXISTING TRANSMISSION MAIN, WHICH WHAT WE WOULD CALL, OKAY.
UH, SO AS I WAS SAYING, IT CERTAINLY SEEMS WE HAVE VERY AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT? AND IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPMENT TO COME IN AND PAY WITH, WITH OUTSIDE MONEY, AND THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO SPEND MONEY ON UPGRADING INFRASTRUCTURE, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE KILLING TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE HERE.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S, IM, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT AGAIN, IF THERE'S GONNA BE A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEIR OWN STUDY AND MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T IMPACT, UH, NEGATIVELY THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
IN FACT, UM, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE THE, THE SURROUNDING AREAS OF, OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND LOOK, I JUST, AGAIN, JUST TO PUT THINGS INTO PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS A POTENTIAL INCREASE OF ONLY 350 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
YOU KNOW, I, I BELIEVE FIVE PARK HAS ABOUT 350 RE OR CLOSE TO IT RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
ONE IS 7 97 AND THE OTHER ONE IS THREE 50.
SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE MAKING A MANHATTAN HERE.
I I, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO REVITALIZE A, A, A STRETCH OF LAND THAT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, STRUGGLING FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS WITH VACANCIES AND, AND ECONOMIC DROUGHT.
AND WHAT OTHER BETTER WAY TO REALLY GIVE AN, UH, AN AREA OF OUR CITY, ONE OF THE MOST COVETED A A A REFRESH, UH, ON, UH, ON RESIDENTIAL.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LINCOLN ROAD IS THE PERFECT PLACE TO LIVE.
YOU GOT THE BEACH ON ONE SIDE, YOU HAVE TRADER JOE'S ON THE OTHER, AND YOU HAVE A SLEW OF, OF, OF RETAIL AND SHOPS, UH, DOWN BELOW.
YOU DON'T, YOU WILL NET YOU, YOU DON'T EVER HAVE TO GET INTO A CAR.
AND, YOU KNOW, THI THIS IS, THIS, THIS MIXED RETAIL USE.
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IT'S A TRIED AND TRUE METHOD ACROSS THE WORLD.AND IF WE REALLY WANT TO BE CON BE SERIOUS ABOUT GIVING LINCOLN ROAD AN INJECTION OF LIFE, YOU KNOW, THI THIS IS, THIS IS CERTAINLY THE WAY TO GO.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, UH, AND NO ONE, NO ONE'S ARGUING THAT COMMISSIONER I CAN, AND LET ME, IF I, IF I CAN FINISH, PLEASE, YEAH.
BUT I JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT THE INFERENCE TO, TO BE OUT THERE THAT DISCUSSING INFRASTRUCTURE IS, IS GETTING IN, IN THE WAY OF THAT.
BECAUSE I THINK IT GOES HAND IN HAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE WANNA BE SERIOUS ABOUT REDEVELOPING LINCOLN ROAD AND SEEING THAT ENERGY IN THERE.
UM, AND PART OF THE SERIOUSNESS OF THAT CONVERSATION ARE THE, THE IMPACTS IT GENERATES AND MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T END UP, LIKE FOR LAUDERDALE, THE, FOR LAUDERDALE HAS BEEN, UH, DEALING WITH SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES, BURSTING PIPES, UH, BURSTING PIPES.
THAT, THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE HERE.
AND SO, AND WHAT I'M SIMPLY SAYING IS, I THINK IF WE HAVE A STUDY, IT'S GOING TO BE REDUNDANT.
IT'S ONLY GOING TO, UM, COST TAXPAYER MONEY TO, TO PAY FOR IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE DEVELOPERS OR EVER ANY OTHER PROJECT IS GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES ANYWAYS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I THINK, UM, I, I, I THINK I, IF, IF WE WANT TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LINCOLN ROAD, SURE.
UH, WE, WE CAN PUT MORE STUDIES, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, I CERTAINLY FEEL THAT THIS IS GONNA BE VERY REDUNDANT.
AND, AND JUST, IT IS IT PART OF, IT'S A, A NORMAL PART OF A PLANNING PROCESS TO CONSIDER, UH, THIS INFORMATION? YES, ALWAYS.
I MEAN, WE, WE SHOULDN'T BECAUSE I MEAN, USUALLY, YEAH.
AND, AND, AND, AND THE REASON WHY I WHY I ASK THIS, BECAUSE USUALLY FAR WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THESE FAR UH, PROJECTS PIECEMEAL, UH, NOT PART OF A MASTER PLANNING.
UH, USUALLY IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE CONSIDERED FAR, IT'S BEEN PART OF A LARGER MASTER PLAN.
AND THEN AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN, YOU USUALLY CONSIDER THESE ELEMENTS.
BUT HERE WE'RE BRINGING IN INDEPENDENT APPLICATIONS, AND WE CAN CALL THEM APPLICATIONS OUTSIDE OF A TRADITIONAL MASTER PLAN, WHERE IN THE MASTER PLAN, YOU WOULD'VE CONSIDERED ALL OF THIS AND DONE THESE STUDIES HERE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS OUT OF PLACE TO BE DOING THE STUDY.
IS THIS NOT OUTTA PLACE COMMISSIONER? UH, I'M SORRY, VICE MAYOR.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU, I MEAN, MIAMI BEACH IS A VERY BUILT OUT CITY, UH, AS OPPOSED TO IF YOU'RE OUT WEST SOMEWHERE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE GONNA DEVELOP 200 ACRES AND, AND ADD, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF HOMES.
THE, I I THINK OUR CHANGES, AS WE CAN SEE FROM THE DATA HERE, IS VERY INCREMENTAL.
UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER IT WITH A REDUCTION IN POPULATION THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
SO I THINK SOMETHING'S VERY MANAGEABLE IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DEFINITELY PLANNED.
AND, UM, AND I, I DO AGREE THAT, UH, DEVELOPERS NEED TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE, UH, INTO ADAPTING THEIR DEVELOPMENTS INTO OUR SYSTEMS AND OUR UTILITIES.
UH, COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ, THANK YOU.
UM, SO WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT, UM, NUMBER TWO, WHICH WAS THE 200, 300 BLOCKS.
AND WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH, AND NOW WE HAVE, UM, MORE AREAS.
IT'S VERY SWEEPING, IT'S VERY BROAD, AND IT'S VERY SCARY.
I CAN'T IMAGINE MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY OF THIS WITHOUT DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND FINDING OUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERNEATH OUR STREETS.
LIKE THAT'S A NO BRAINER, NOT AN OPTION TO NOT DO IT.
AND, UM, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SO BROAD, I WOULD WANNA SEE SOMETHING A LITTLE, LITTLE MORE NARROW AND THEN SEE IF IT WORKS, AS OPPOSED TO RUBBER STAMPING SOMETHING FOR ALL OF LINCOLN ROAD THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE NEED.
UM, I DO AGREE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE BENEATH OUR STREETS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, ALL OF LINCOLN ROAD NEEDS HELP, UH, NEEDS, NEEDS OUR SUPPORT.
UM, SO IN THAT PART, I, I DISAGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THIS POLICY HOLISTICALLY ON LINCOLN ROAD.
UM, BUT I DO AGREE THAT WE REALLY DO NEED TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMISSIONER BOT.
YEAH, I, I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING, THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NEVER A WASTE OF MONEY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES ARE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR PART OF THE CITY THAT WAS NOT CONTEMPLATED TO BE PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL, UM, I THINK IT'S ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT.
I ALSO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO THE PROPOSALS,
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THE INCENTIVES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOUBLING HEIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM 50 STORIES TO, OR 50 FEET, GOD FROM 50 FEET TO A HUNDRED FEET.UM, WHERE DOES THE PARKING GO? UM, DO WE, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIMIT, UM, TO REQUIRE THIS TO BE ATTAINABLE HOUSING? YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE SAYING 1200 FOOT SQUARE FOOT APARTMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, AS COMMISSIONER SUAREZ SAID, IT'S A VERY APPEALING PLACE TO LIVE BECAUSE YOU CAN WALK TO EVERYTHING.
YOU CAN WALK, YOU KNOW, DOWN WASHINGTON TO A GRADE SCHOOL AND, YOU KNOW, WALK OVER TO THE BEACH AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD, ATTRACTIVE REASONS TO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE POTENTIAL IMPACT FOR, UM, SOME OF THE USE ON, ON VEHICLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
DO WE MAKE IT WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR FIRST RESPONDERS AND CITY EMPLOYEES OF VARIOUS STRIPES? I MEAN, CAN WE CREATE THOSE INCENTIVES AS WELL AS PART OF, PART OF THIS? UM, BUT I WOULD, I WOULDN'T HESITATE FOR A MILLISECOND TO GET THAT STUDY GOING.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE, I'M THEN GONNA OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THESE TWO ITEMS, ITEMS TWO AND THREE.
SO WHERE I STAND ON THIS, AND, AND I THINK I'VE BEEN CLEAR, I THINK THIS, AND ALONG WITH WASHINGTON AVENUE, IS, ARE GOING TO BE SOME OF THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL PROJECTS THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE UP FOR OUR ENTIRE COMMISSION.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, OR OH MY GOSH, UH, YOU'RE BUILDING, BUILDING.
THIS IS ABOUT CREATING A COMMUNITY, A COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE LOST 10,000 RESIDENTS.
AND I GUESS I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE CAN ALL COMMIT TO SOME SORT OF TIMELINE BECAUSE WE, WE TALK A GREAT GAME ABOUT WE NEED TO PROVIDE HOUSING, WE NEED TO HELP PEOPLE, WE NEED TO BRING BACK RESIDENTS FOR OUR CITY.
IF I'M SOMEBODY OUT THERE RIGHT NOW BEING PRESSURED BY THE INCREASING COSTS, WHEN COULD I EXPECT HELP FROM OUR CITY? RIGHT? WHEN COULD I EXPECT THAT WE ARE GOING TO BRING ONLINE MORE HOUSING OPTIONS? BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS SINCE I WAS ON THE PLANNING BOARD BEFORE I GOT ON THE PLANNING BOARD, RIGHT? AND WE HAVEN'T PUT ANY POLICY IN PLACE YET.
WE HAVEN'T DONE A SINGLE THING COLLECTIVELY TO FACILITATE RELIEF IN HOUSING.
RIGHT? AND I THINK WE NEED TO SIT THERE AND, AND COMMIT TO SOME SORT OF TIMELINE.
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN OUT THERE SUFFERING AND STRUGGLING FOR YEARS AND YEARS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE ADDED A SINGLE PROJECT IN OUR CITY THAT COULD ACTUALLY TACKLE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.
IN CARLISLE, I'M SORRY, BY, IN CARLISLE, 10 YEARS AWAY, FIVE, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AWAY, COLLINS FAR THAT, THAT'S SE THAT'S 70.
WHAT? BUT YOU'RE SAYING NOT A SINGLE ONE.
I'M SAYING, WAIT, LET'S GO THROUGH THE CHAIR.
THAT'S COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE HAS THE FLOOR, UH, AND HE'S MAKING HIS POINT.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE, THESE ARE PIECEMEALED THINGS TOGETHER, RIGHT? I'M TALKING ABOUT CREATING A COMMUNITY, AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS, AND I'M NOT SAYING US, I'M SAYING COLLECTIVELY AS A CITY, WHEN I SAY WE, I'M REFERRING TO US COLLECTIVELY AS A CITY.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS, RIGHT? AND, AND IT IS TIME TO, WE TRULY PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS AND, AND ADHERE TO THOSE PROGRESSIVE VALUES THAT WE ALL EXPOSE AND ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING TO HELP PEOPLE WITH HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.
TWO THIRDS OF OUR CITY ARE RENTERS.
RENTAL COSTS HAVE GONE UP 30, 40, 50, 60%.
AND IT'S SIMPLY SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
AND I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO BE SERIOUS.
WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED THESE AREAS, AND IF WE WANNA FIND A WAY, WE'LL ALWAYS FIND A WAY TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
AND I'M NOT SAYING NOT TO BE MEASURED AND, UM, CONSIDER ALL THE POSSIBILITIES LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE JUST ALWAYS CONTINUE TO DELAY.
AND WE HAVE ALL THESE GREAT RESTAURANTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OPENING ON LINCOLN ROAD.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANYBODY TO GO TO THEM, RIGHT? WE'RE BRINGING, WE'RE CELEBRATING MAYBE 800 RESTAURANT SEATS COMING ONLINE ON LINCOLN ROAD, WHERE, WHERE'S THE CONCERN FOR THAT, RIGHT? WE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP THOSE BUSY BY JUST THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE.
WE NEED TO REALLY CREATE A COMMUNITY.
AND I LOVE THAT WE'RE ALL THOUGHTFUL AND ALL BALANCED, BUT I ALSO THINK AT SOME POINT YOU JUST NEED TO HAVE SOME CONVICTION AND SAY, I'M GONNA BE BOLD.
I'M GONNA LEAD THE CITY FORWARD.
AND, AND I HOPE YOU KNOW THAT, THAT THAT'S THE PATH THAT WE'RE ON.
SO THANK YOU FOR MR. CHAIR FOR THE FLOOR.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, I JUST, I THINK THAT
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WE ARE FOCUSING A LOT ON, ON HOUSING, AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS SAYING DELAYING ANY, ANY OF THIS.I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, UH, IS, IS A DESIRE TO BE HOLISTIC AND INTEGRATED IN OUR PLANNING, UM, AND ADOPTING A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH THAT IS IN FACT, PROGRESSIVE.
I MEAN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PROGRESSIVENESS, IT'S NOT JUST BEING PROGRESSIVE IN HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, BUT, YOU KNOW, BEING PROGRESSIVE ALSO MEANS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT OUR SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEVELOPING IN A SUSTAINABLE WAY, UH, THAT IS EQUITABLE, THAT IS RESILIENT, UH, THAT ULTIMATELY ENHANCES THE OVERALL QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR RESIDENTS.
SO WHEN WE SAY ESPOUSING PROGRESSIVE VALUES, WELL, WELL, PROGRESSIVE VALUES NOT ONLY TALK TO HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, BUT ALSO TALK TO SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE, AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS SOLID AND SOLID IN AN EQUITABLE WAY, UH, IN AREAS OF WHERE WEALTHY INDIVIDUALS LIVE.
AND IN AREAS WHERE WE ARE CREATING HOUSING FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT MIGHT NOT BE OF THE HIGHEST, UH, AFFLUENCE, UH, BUT STILL DESERVE TO HAVE PROPER AND FUNCTIONING, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THAT IS, THAT IS PART OF WHAT IT IS TO BE A PROGRESSIVE LEADER.
AND THE VALUES THAT, AND THE ISSUES WE SHOULD BE, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, AND THEN I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO THE PUBLIC AND COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ BEFORE OPENING UP TO THE PUBLIC.
SO, JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY WITH CITY STAFF, IF, IF WE PASS THIS TODAY, AND LET'S ASSUME IT PASSES THE COMMISSION AND THERE'S A VICE CHAIR, THERE'S 350 POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT COME ONLINE, DOES STAFF FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD ON THAT, GIVEN THE PARAMETERS THAT YOU HAVE AS FAR AS THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS AND, UH, THE IMPACTS TO INFRASTRUCTURE? I'LL ELABORATE, BRAD, FILL IN THE DETAILS, BUT I, I THINK WE HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE, UH, THAT HAS FUNCTIONED, UH, THAT IT SHOULD.
AND, UH, ANOTHER COMMENT THAT I WOULD MAKE, UM, 'CAUSE JOE BROUGHT, UH, COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT ON HOW ARE WE GONNA FILL ALL THE HIGH-END BEAUTIFUL, UH, RESTAURANTS THAT ARE COMING TO LINCOLN ROAD AND CERTAINLY ATTAINABLE RESIDENTIAL MAY HELP PATRONIZE SOME OF THE RESTAURANTS, BUT LINCOLN ROAD IS AN EXTENSION OF OUR CONVENTION CENTER CAMPUS.
AND, UH, THE IMPORTANCE OF GETTING THE CONVENTION CENTER HOTEL BUILT, UM, WILL BRING MORE TRAFFIC.
AND WE KNOW THAT WHEN THE G-M-C-V-B FILLS OUR CONVENTION CENTER AND WE GET GOOD CONVENTIONS, THEY'RE PACKING LINCOLN ROAD AND ESPANOLA WAY AND OCEAN DRIVE.
AND, UM, SO IT'S A LAYERED APPROACH, UM, IN ORDER TO GET THE BUSINESS THERE TO LINCOLN ROAD.
IS, UM, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS BEFORE US.
WE'VE GOTTEN, THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT DISCUSSION, UH, GREAT FEEDBACK, AND I THINK IT'S BEEN, UH, VERY COMPREHENSIVE, UH, IN WHAT, IN WHAT WE'VE COVERED.
UM, SO, SO, UM, THIS ITEM IS BEFORE US TODAY.
IS IT COMING BACK TO US? ARE WE MAKING A VOTE ON THIS TO SEND IT BACK? WHERE ARE THESE TWO ITEMS IN THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS? UM, THROUGH THE CHAIR.
SO THEY'RE IN DIFFERENT SPOTS.
UH, LINCOLN ROAD EAST, UM, WAS A REFERRAL TO THE LAND USE COMMITTEE.
SO, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE LAND USE COMMITTEE TRANSMIT A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
UM, THIS, IF DEFERRED COULD COME BACK TO YOU AS WELL.
LINCOLN ROAD WEST WAS A DUAL REFERRAL.
SO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM WAS REFERRED TO THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL AS THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU TRANSMIT A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD, BUT THIS COULD ALSO BE DEFERRED IN AND DISCUSSED FURTHER AT THIS COMMITTEE.
SO, SO, NO, I THINK, I THINK MOTIONS ARE, ARE, ARE PROPER AT THIS TIME.
I, I JUST, SO IS THIS ALREADY GOING BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD OR THE PLANNING BOARD IS PENDING? UH, SOMETHING BEING SENT FROM THIS BODY TO THEM? THE PLANNING BOARD IS PENDING A RECOMMENDATION OKAY.
SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, KEEPING IN MIND, UM, THAT MYSELF, I, I'M GONNA KEEP IN MIND THE FEEDBACK OF THIS BODY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, UH, ONCE THIS GOES BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION IS
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GONNA NEED SIX VOTES.UH, WE ALREADY HAVE ONE COLLEAGUE THAT HAS ALREADY SAID THAT SHE IS, UH, VOTING NO ON, ON ALL OF THESE ITEMS. AND, UH, AND SO WE NEED TO TAKE SERIOUSLY THE FEEDBACK WE'RE GETTING HERE.
UH, AGAIN, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BECAUSE THESE ARE INVESTMENTS WE'RE MAKING IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS, UH, TO IMPROVE HISTORIC ASSETS, HELP US PRESERVE THESE HISTORIC ASSETS, UH, SUPPORT THE DECLINING ECONOMY OF LINCOLN ROAD THAT DOES, I DON'T WANNA SAY DECLINING ECONOMY OF LINCOLN ROAD, BECAUSE THERE IS GOOD ALSO HAPPENING ON LINCOLN ROAD.
UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN, UH, HOUSING FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
UM, SO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE, ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.
IF YOU'RE ON ZOOM, YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND.
I SEE MICHAEL COMRAD HAS HIS HAND RAISED.
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK.
I WANT TO THANK THE BOARD AND THE STAFF FOR TAKING THE TIME TO, AND ABRE AND ADDRESSING BRINGING FULL-TIME RESIDENTS BACK INTO MIAMI BEACH.
UH, EYES ON THE STREET IS KEY.
PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT THEIR STREETS IS KEY.
AND OF COURSE, I'M VERY, UM, VERY, UH, HAPPY THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT LINCOLN ROAD.
LINCOLN ROAD IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IS TO ME IS LIKE A FAILED MALL, JUST LIKE MANY MALLS AROUND THE COUNTRY TODAY THAT LACK DIVERSITY AND INTEREST, CREATING A MIXED JUICE ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU CREATE PEOPLE WHO CAN LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY RIGHT ON LINCOLN ROAD CREATES THAT COMMUNITY THAT WAS REFERRED TO BEFORE.
HAVING PEOPLE LIVE UPSTAIRS AND IN UNITS AND BRINGING THEIR DOG DOWN, GRABBING A CUP OF COFFEE, GETTING THEIR LIFESTYLE MEETS, LIFESTYLE NEEDS MET THIS KEY TO THE FUTURE OF WHAT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
UM, PEOPLE CARE ABOUT THEIR STREETS.
UH, CREATING ATTAINABLE HOUSING, UH, OBVIOUSLY IS SUPER IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A, A PLACE FOR AFFORDABLE AND OTHER SORTS OF HOUSING.
BUT I, I DO THINK THAT SIZES OF UNITS CAN BE SMALLER TO ATTRACT YOUNGER PEOPLE WHO WANNA LIVE HERE ON A LONG TERM BASIS.
AND THAT I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT CAPPING THE, OR LIMITING THE SIZE OF THOSE UNITS AND PERHAPS MAYBE MAKING THEM SMALLER TO ALLOW, ALLOW THEM TO BE MORE ATTAINABLE.
UM, I THINK SETBACKS ALSO ARE SOMETHING THAT REALLY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED SETBACK IN HEIGHT.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT LINCOLN ROAD, UM, YOU HAVE A HUNDRED FOOT DEPTH LOTS, PRIMARILY UP TO EUCLID, AND THEN THE LOTS GO TO ABOUT 140 FEET DEEP.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HAVE A 50 FOOT SETBACK, UH, RIGHT OFF THE BAT, AND THEN A AND A A 25 FOOT SETBACK OFF THE CORNER, YOU'RE IMMEDIATELY SETTING BACK AND CREATING A FORM WORK, WHICH IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE THE LIGHT IN THERE, BUT ISN'T NECESSARILY WHAT COULD BE BEST FOR.
SO I WOULD JUST THANK YOU, UH, MITCH NOVIK, UH, UNMUTE YOURSELF.
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK.
GOOD LATE AFTERNOON, MITCH NOVIK.
UH, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS DISCUSSION, I'VE HEARD REFERENCES ACTUALLY ALL DAY THAT THIS PLACE WE'RE LOSING RES RESIDENTS.
IT'S UNAFFORDABLE, YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY MY REAL ESTATE TAXES ARE THOUSANDS.
UH, I'M AFRAID TO ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT THE NUMBER MORE THAN LAST YEAR.
MY WATER BILLS THIS MONTH ARE, UH, NEARLY A THOUSAND MORE THAN LAST MONTH.
WE JUST HAD A UTILITY BILLING RATE INCREASE, UH, AT THE CITY AUTOMATIC AS IT'S BEEN FOR THE LAST DOZEN YEARS.
OUR BUDGET HAS DOUBLED IN THE PAST, UH, DOZEN YEARS.
WE HAVE FOUR TO 500 MORE CITY EMPLOYEES.
YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEMS REALLY BEGIN WITH YOU, AND I WOULD HOPE YOU LOOK WITHIN.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD.
I AM WITH THE OWNERSHIP OF 200 LINCOLN ROAD ON THE CORNER OF COLLINS AVENUE.
LISTENING TO ALL THIS IS VERY INTERESTING.
UM, WHAT SORT OF BUSINESS IMPACT ANALYSIS HAS BEEN DONE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CHANGES MEAN? MR. COMRAD WAS TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE SETBACKS AND THE BUILDABILITY, I, I PRESUME IS WHERE HE WAS GOING, UH, OF THE, OF THE LOTS WITH THOSE SETBACKS, BECAUSE IT DOES IMPACT THE ECONOMIC VIABILITY OF, OF A SITE IF YOU HAVE TWO SMALL, AN UPPER FLOOR, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS INVOLVED IN CONSTRUCTING A BUILDING IN THE AVAILABLE SPACE.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, HAS THERE BEEN ANY SORT OF BUSINESS IMPACT STUDY THAT'S DONE, THAT GOES ALONG IN TERMS OF WHAT IT MEANS TO THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY? UM,
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I DON'T KNOW IF THE, ALRIGHT, IF THOSE ARE YOUR COMMON THAT'S, THAT'S MY QUESTION.AND THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER COMMENT IS, IS IS THAT JUST AS IN GENERAL, UH, SEEING OTHER PROGRAMS ELSEWHERE AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A HUGE IMPACT, UH, AND SOMETHING THAT'S ESSENTIAL AND IT DOES NEED, UH, GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION TO HELP WITH THAT.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN SUBSIDY.
I THINK IT MEANS CREATING A, A, A PROFILE FOR, UH, PRIVATE SECTOR TO HAVE A PROFITABLE INVESTMENT WHERE THEY CAN ALSO CREATE THAT, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND I'VE SEEN THAT IN DIFFERENT PLACES, AND I WON'T, I WON'T, I CAN MENTION THEM IN PARTICULAR.
IT'S NOT REALLY IMPORTANT IN THIS CONVERSATION, BUT BY GIVING, AS YOU'RE SUGGESTING CERTAIN ZONING INCENTIVES TO MAKE LARGER PROPERTIES, IT HELPS TO OFFSET THAT.
BUT WHEN YOU START TO LIMIT THE SIZE OF UNITS, YOU REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS IN THE MARKETPLACE.
SO I THINK IT'S A POSITIVE THAT THIS IS BEING UNDERTAKEN, BUT WE'RE CONCERNED AS PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THE NET IMPACT MAY OR WE DON'T KNOW YET WHETHER IT'S GONNA HAVE A POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE IMPACT.
UM, ANDRES, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND RAISED.
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK.
UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT ON THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND SIDE AND THE COST OF THE RENTALS, IT'S ALSO GOING UP BECAUSE AS LANDLORDS, OUR TAXES ARE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS ARE GOING UP THROUGH THE ROOF.
SO THE 20 30%, AS A MATTER OF FACT, RIGHT NOW WITH, UH, THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS FOR THE RESERVE STUDIES THAT ARE BEING PUT INTO PLACE FOR MANY OF THE BUILDINGS JUST ON THE MAINTENANCE ALONE, OUR MAINTENANCES AND MOST BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE GOING UP 20 AND 30% NEXT YEAR JUST ON MAINTENANCE FEES.
AND THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, EVEN IF YOU'RE DOING SMALLER APARTMENTS FOR, UH, LOWER INCOME HOUSING, IS STILL EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
UM, I THINK I, WE'VE MENTIONED, WE SPOKE ABOUT IT BEFORE, UH, COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ, I, I THINK THAT REALLY THE PLAN IS IF THE CITY COULD LOOK INTO BUYING MORE, UH, PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BUILT AND TRY TO RESTRICT THAT RENTAL INCOME, UM, AS A COLLABORATION WILL BE A LOT BETTER AND MORE AFFORDABLE, UM, AS A, AN ADDITIONAL PLAY TO ADDITIONAL APARTMENTS BEING BUILT THAT ARE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THAT SHOULD DEFINITELY BE, UH, THOUGHT OF.
THANK YOU, ANDRES, SIR, WELCOME.
IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK.
ACTUALLY, WE HAVE SOME SLIDES, SO IF WE COULD HAVE A LITTLE MORE THAN TWO MINUTES.
THIS IS, THIS IS A PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK.
YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO EMAIL THE COMMITTEE.
I MEAN, WE HAD SOME SLIDES THAT WE, I'M SORRY, SIR.
THIS IS A PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
I, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK.
IF I GIVE YOU MORE TIME, I GOTTA GIVE THE REST OF THE PUBLIC.
WELL, WE'RE THE OWNER OF THE CVS ON THE EAST SIDE OF LINCOLN ROAD.
AND, UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY ONE OF THE LARGEST LANDOWNERS IN TERMS OF MASS ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET AND HAVE ABOUT 32,000, UH, SQUARE FEET OF LOT AREA.
UM, UNDER THE SORT OF PROPOSED INCREASE IN DENSITY AND WITH THE SETBACK, UM, WE FOUND THAT OUR SITE CAN REALLY KIND OF ONLY SUPPORT ABOUT 84 UNITS.
UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT REMOVING THAT SETBACK, IT GROWS BY ABOUT 12 UNITS.
AND WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT OUR BLOCK IS THAT A LOT OF SITES ARE ONLY A HUNDRED FEET DEEP.
WHEN YOU IMPOSE A 50 FOOT SETBACK, THEIR LOTS ARE BASICALLY UNDEVELOPABLE.
SO I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO, AND I THINK IT WAS, YOU KNOW, TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, IS INCENTIVIZE ELEGANT SOLUTIONS TO INCREASE DENSITY.
WE TALKED ABOUT TDR TRANSFERS, THAT COULD ALSO BE AN ELEGANT SOLUTION TO THAT PROBLEM.
BUT, UM, REALLY INCENTIVIZE VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT OF THAT STREET.
OTHERWISE, WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE A LOT OF CHANGE.
THANK YOU FOR, FOR BEING PRESENT HERE TODAY.
PETER, YOU CAN STATE YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD.
I WELCOME PETER CANNABIS, RITZ CARLTON ONE LINCOLN ROAD.
THANK YOU FOR TACKLING THIS ISSUE.
UH, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE BOTTOM OF THE FUNNEL HERE HAS TO BE ECONOMIC, OTHERWISE EVERYTHING ELSE YOU'VE DISCUSSED HERE TODAY AS FAR AS INFRASTRUCTURE IS ACADEMIC.
SO, UM, I, AS I UNDERSTAND, WE, WE ARE NOT SHOWING GRAPHICS, ALEX, IS THAT CORRECT? THIS IS A PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
OKAY, THEN LET ME IMPROVISE
IF YOU, IF YOU TAKE A WHOLE BLOCK OF THIS AND YOU LOOK DOWN THE WAY, WHAT YOU'VE ESSENTIALLY DONE IS BRING THE ROOFTOPS DOWN MORE TO STREET LEVEL.
YOU'RE CREATING VOID AREAS, WHICH NOT ONLY IMPACT PROGRAM, BUT IT'S GONNA LOOK VERY STRANGE FROM THE POSTCARD POINT OF VIEW THAT WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT HERE.
AND THAT I THINK IS REALLY GONNA FORM YOUR TUNNEL EFFECT.
I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS IN ANY CITY, UH, IN ANYWHERE.
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CONTINENTS BEFORE.UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, MAGAZINE SHOWED SOME GREAT SLIDES, UH, THE LAST TIME, THE LAST HEARING OF BEAUTIFUL PLACES, BEAUTIFUL WALKING CITIES AROUND THE WORLD.
NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAD ANYTHING BUT ZERO SETBACKS BECAUSE THAT'S THE STANDARD IN BOSTON, BARCELONA OR ROME, WHATEVER.
UM, AND, UH, WE HAVE A PERFECT 1.5 TO ONE RATIO OF A HUNDRED FEET AND 150 FEET, WHICH IS CONSIDERED THE GOLDEN RATIO IN URBAN PLANNING, WHICH CREATES GREAT OUTDOOR AREAS.
SO, UH, I THINK THAT, UH, WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE FACT THAT YOUR PREMIUM APARTMENTS ARE GONNA BE LOOKING DOWN ON A ROOFTOP.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA REALLY NOTICE LINCOLN ROAD SO MUCH.
THEY'RE GONNA BE NOTICING MORE ROOFTOP THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
UH, THE OTHER THING IS, I DID A LITTLE ANALYSIS.
YOU CAN FIT EVERY SINGLE LOT ON, UH, THE 200 300 BLOCK ONTO OUR SITE AT RITZ CARLTON.
AND THEN WE HAVE ROOM TO SPARE.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO ILLUSTRATE BY THAT IS THAT, UM, SMALLER SETBACKS AND, UH, SMALLER FAR MAY WORK ON LARGER SITES LIKE THAT.
BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PRODUCING AN ECONOMIC PROGRAM WITH HOUSING, I THINK YOU REALLY HAVE TO RECONSIDER, UH, OR TAKE A MUCH CLOSER LOOK AT THESE PARAMETERS BECAUSE MOST OF THESE LOTS ARE NOT GONNA HAVE SUFFICIENT ECONOMIC PROGRAM TO REDEVELOP.
AND IN SOME CASES ARE GONNA BE UNDEVELOPABLE.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU WANT THIS LEGISLATION TO BE TRANSFORMATIVE AND MOTIVATE PEOPLE TO DO THE INTENT THAT YOU WANT.
PLEASE STATE YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD.
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN MICHAEL LARKIN, 200 SOUTH CAMPBELL BOULEVARD HERE, RESIDENT RITZ CARLTON OWNERSHIP GROUP.
I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS LEGISLATION FOR ALL OF LINCOLN ROAD, PARTICULARLY THE 200 300 BLOCKS.
YOU KNOW, WHEN COMMISSIONER SUAREZ WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, CORRECTING THE DEFICIENCIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE TIME OF PERMIT.
YOU KNOW, UNDER CHAPTER 1 63, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADOPT LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS.
IF ANY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD VIOLATE THOSE STANDARDS.
THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CAN'T SAY NO.
AND WHEN THEY SAY YES, THEY SAY YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE APPLICANT OPPORTUNITY TO MITIGATE.
SO HERE THE MITIGATION COULD BE, IT WOULD BE PIECEMEAL, BUT AT LEAST IT WOULD BE THE DEVELOPER BEARING THE COST RATHER THAN THE CITY TRYING TO ISSUE ANOTHER GO BOND.
THE CITY HAS EVEN THAT BONDING CAPACITY.
YOU KNOW, FPL DOES THIS ALL THE TIME.
WHEN THEY SUPERSIZE THE TRANSFORMER VAULT THAT'S WITHIN YOUR PROPERTY, THEY DO THAT TO ADD EXTRA POWER TO THE GRID.
UNDER THE TERM SHEET BETWEEN THE RITZ-CARLTON AND THE CITY, THERE'S AN OBLIGATION TO SPEND ADDITIONAL DOLLARS ON THE SEWAGE LINE THERE, WHICH IS MADE OUTTA CLAY.
SO, BUT WITH REGARD TO THIS LEGISLATION, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE RITZ CARLTON IS UNDER OBLIGATIONS TO HELP RESHAPE THE 200, 300 BLOCKS OF LINCOLN ROAD, ESPECIALLY THE STREETSCAPE.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING WITHOUT SOME MEANINGFUL CHANGES TO THE REGULATIONS THAT WOULD ASK THE DEVELOPERS TO MOVE IN.
RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE FAR IS A GOOD START.
THE HEIGHT IS A GOOD START, BUT IT'S THE SETBACKS THAT ARE REALLY VERY PUNITIVE.
I THINK THAT THE 50 FOOT SETBACK OVER 50 FEET IN HEIGHT IS PARTICULARLY HARSH.
I THINK THAT THE 25 FOOT SETBACK ON THE SIDE STREETS IS ALSO HARSH.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT AN IDEAL BUILDING FOR REDEVELOPMENT IS BAI TOWER THAT SITS AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF WASHINGTON AND LINCOLN.
THERE, IF YOU HAD A 50 FOOT SETBACK AND A 25 FOOT SETBACK, IT RENDERS THAT PROPERTY UNDEVELOPABLE.
SO I ASK YOU ALL TO GIVE SOME SERIOUS CONSIDERATION TO A FRONT SETBACK.
THAT'D BE SOMETHING MORE OF A COMPROMISE.
ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE HEARD.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION ON THE TABLE ON ITEMS TWO AND THREE? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TRANSMIT TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
IS THERE A SECOND ON THE MOTION? I HAVE TO GO TO THE COMMISSION FIRST.
UH, I WELL, SO, SO ITEM TWO HAS TO GO BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
ITEM THREE NEEDS TO GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO IF YOU AMEND YOUR MOTION FOR THAT.
IS THERE A SECOND ON, ON THE MOTION? WHERE ARE WE GONNA TALK FURTHER ABOUT THE SECOND? UH, IT, WELL, UH, THE ITEM, THE ITEM HAS TO GO GO BACK TO CITY COMMISSION IN A FIRST READING.
HAS A FIRST READING BEEN SENT TO THE CITY COMMISSION YET? NO.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE PROPER TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY.
ULTIMATELY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET THEIR INPUT ON THIS.
UM, UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, IS THE ITEM THAT THAT, THAT I SPONSORED, UH, THAT, UH, THAT HAS TO BE A REFERRAL BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION SO THAT IT CAN BE REFERRED TO PLANNING BOARD.
UH, AND ITEM NUMBER THREE IS TO SEND WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED HERE TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND THEN, AND THEN AFTER THAT, BOTH ITEMS GO BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR FIRST, UH, READING.
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WELL, THE ITEM NUMBER TWO WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD.RIGHT? AND THEN YES, IT WOULD GO TO COMMISSION YEAH.
NOW THERE WOULD BE A PUBLIC WORKSHOP REQUIREMENT FOR, SO I CAN JUST KINDA GIVE YOU THE HISTORY FOR WASHINGTON AVENUE EAST.
WE HAVEN'T GONE LINCOLN ROAD EAST THROUGH THE PUBLIC.
THE PUBLIC, YOU MEAN LINCOLN ROAD EAST LINCOLN ROAD EAST.
UM, THAT WOULD NEED TO START FROM THE BEGINNING WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP, BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD, AND THEN TO CITY COMMISSION FOR FIRST READING.
AND THEN BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, IT WOULD HAVE THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP REQUIREMENT.
LINCOLN ROAD WEST, UM, WOULD FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS, BUT IT WOULD GO DIRECTLY TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND NOT STOP AT THE CITY COMMISSION.
BUT YEAH, THEY BOTH HAVE TO END UP AT THE CITY COMMISSION.
AND BETWEEN NOW AND THAT TIME, WOULD THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, MR. MARTINEZ, UH, WILL BE CONDUCTING THE, UH, STUDY ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE WOULD NEED DIRECTION TO DO THAT AND WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE FUNDING.
I, I THINK YOU'VE, YOU, YOU'VE HEARD FROM AT LEAST TWO MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA BE INTERESTED IN GETTING THAT INFORMATION, UH, AS PART OF THEIR DECISION MAKING PROCESS ON THIS LEGISLATION.
AND SO I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, UM, YOU WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA, DAVID, WE'RE GONNA NEED THAT FEEDBACK CHAIR.
WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN A REFERRAL TO FINANCE TO SEEK THE MONEY? AND, AND WHAT IS, UH, WHAT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, HOW MUCH DOES THIS COST? I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 250,000.
HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH? 250,000, 200 TO DO ALL THAT'S, TO DO ALL THE SOUTH BEACH.
I, I THINK I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS AT COMMISSION.
'CAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM MY OTHER COLLEAGUES IF THEY FEEL THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH, UH, TO BE ASKING FOR THAT FUNDING.
I DO THINK IF WE NEED TO PLAN, WE NEED TO PLAN RESPON RESPONSIBLY.
UH, AND I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT WE'RE STEPPING INTO INFRASTRUCTURE WISE.
UH, AND, AND EVEN, EVEN IF IT IS SO THAT WE CAN PLAN A POLICY, UH, THAT MAKES, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS MORE BROADLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UPGRADES THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
UM, BUT, BUT I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M, I'M FEELING THAT IT, IT'S AN IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER SCHWARZ AND THEN COMMISSIONER BOT.
UH, I, I'M JUST GONNA PUT ON THE RECORD, I'M NOT GONNA BE IN SUPPORTIVE OF SPENDING A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS OF TAXPAYER MONEY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S GONNA BE REDUNDANT WHEN A DEVELOPER, WHOEVER, WHATEVER PROJECT IS GONNA BE FORWARD, IS GONNA HAVE TO SPEND THAT MONEY ANYWAY.
SO I, I'M JUST PUTTING ON THE RECORD, I'M NOT GONNA BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.
I THINK THAT'S A BAD USE OF TAXPAYER MONEY.
UH, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, FOR THE LAST, I THINK WE'VE BEEN ON THIS ITEM FOR LIKE AN HOUR AND A HALF, THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES FORWARD IS GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY ON THIS, UH, ON THIS STUDY.
AND, UH, IT'S GONNA BE THOROUGHLY VETTED BY OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM, UH, IN ORDER TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND, AND IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES WITH ANY OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT'S GONNA ARISE FROM THAT STUDY, UH, WHICH IS ALSO GONNA BE CHECKED BY, UH, OUR, OUR PUBLIC WORKS.
BUT UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE AM I GONNA BE OKAY WITH SPENDING A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS ON REDUNDANT STUDIES.
AND, AND AND THE FLIP SIDE TOO, THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER SUAREZ IS THAT I THINK SOME OF YOUR COLLEAGUES MIGHT, COULD, COULD POTENTIALLY ARGUE THAT, THAT THESE POLICIES THAT WE'RE PUTTING FORWARD WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE POLICIES WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, UH, THE, THE, THE CONDITIONS OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND, AND I TOLD, AND I HAVE THE FLOOR.
UH, THE CONDITIONS OF THE, OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE JUST HAVE TO BE AWARE OF, UH, BECAUSE IT IS PART OF RESPONSIBLE PLANNING.
'CAUSE WE HAVE CHOSEN TO PUT FORWARD, UH, THESE ITEMS OUTSIDE OF A MASTER PLAN.
AND IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THIS IS THE TYPE OF INFORMATION THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED AS PART OF A MASTER PLAN, NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT INDEPENDENT DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS, UH, WOULD, WOULD DO THIS.
WE ARE POLICY MAKERS AND WE NEED TO LOOK OUT FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY.
AND THE ONE THING WE CANNOT ALLOW IS FOR THE CITY TO ENCOUNTER A BIGGER PROBLEM AFTER THE FACT OF FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND WHILE DEVELOPERS MIGHT ADDRESS THINGS PIECEMEAL FOR INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT OUTSIDE THEIR PROPERTY, THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TOTALITY OF THE SYSTEM AND, UH, AND THE, AND THE IMPACTS, THE DAMAGE THAT COULD HAPPEN FURTHER DOWNSTREAM.
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THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A GOVERNMENT THAT ARE THE ULTIMATE OWNERS OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE ONES THAT ARE ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE AND THE COMMISSIONER BOT.MR. CHAIRMAN IS, UH, CHAIRMAN OF FINANCE.
UH, AS LONG AS WE'RE ALL MAKING GOOD FAITH EFFORTS THAT, UH, WE'RE GOING TO BE OPEN-MINDED ABOUT THE, UM, PROPOSALS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US, UH, HOWEVER WE WANT TO PLAN EFFECTIVELY, I'LL, I'LL BE IN SUPPORT OF, UH, OF AN INFRASTRUCTURE STUDY IF, UH, AS LONG AS MY COLLEAGUES ARE MAKING GOOD FAITH EFFORTS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL, YOU'RE NOT COMMITTING TO GOING FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSALS WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CERTAINLY NOT A DEFINITIVE NO.
AND WE REALLY WANNA MAKE YOU GOOD FAITH EFFORT IN GETTING THESE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS BACK.
BUT I ALSO THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO, UH, PUT THESE ON PARALLEL PATHS INSTEAD OF JUST, UH, WAITING SIX MONTHS TO GET THIS STUDY BACK.
I THINK WE CAN, UH, CONTINUE MOVING THIS, UH, THROUGH, UH, THE PROPER COMMITTEES AS WE WAIT FOR THAT.
SO, UH, AS CHAIR OF FINANCE, I'D CERTAINLY BE SUPPORTIVE HEARING AT OUR COMMITTEE.
AND, UH, AND, AND THAT'S WHY, UH, BECAUSE WE ARE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.
WE ARE TRYING TO, UH, MOVE THESE FORWARD.
AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, AND I'M JUST CHECKING HERE, I BELIEVE, UM, SOME OF THESE MAY HAVE BEEN, UH, LEGISLATION THAT MAY HAVE BEEN INITIALLY REQUESTED BY, UH, BY A LOBBYIST.
UM, AND SO, AND SO THERE'S A LOBBYIST OF RECORD ASSOCIATED, UH, WITH ANY OF THIS POLICY.
UH, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY TO TRY TO SHARE COST, UH, WITH A DEVELOPER THAT HAS COME FORWARD, UH, TO, UH, TO, TO REQUEST THIS POLICY? WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK, WE CAN CERTAINLY APPROACH THE, THE APPLICANT.
WELL THAT'S A GOOD OUTCOME OF THE, UH, DEVELOPER NOTICE, UH, SPONSORED BY COMMISSIONER BOND.
DO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED ONLY GOOD THINGS COME OUTTA THAT.
UM, TO REASSURE MY COLLEAGUE, COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE, UM, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS OVER THE YEARS ABOUT THIS, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU I'M NOT TRYING TO DERAIL ANYTHING.
I JUST DON'T WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IN OUR ZEAL TO GET GOOD THINGS DONE FOR OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE SCREWED IT UP.
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE CUT, CUT TWICE? UH, I MEASURE TWICE.
SO IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A ROADMAP SO YOU KNOW WHERE TO MEASURE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.
UM, MY QUESTION TO THE STAFF IS, UM, TWO 50 FOR ALL OF SOUTH BEACH, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE THE FIRST STREET PROJECT UNDERWAY AND WE ALREADY HAVE THE WEST AVE PROJECT UNDERWAY.
PRESUMABLY WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THOSE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AREAS OF SOUTH BEACH.
SO WOULD THOSE BE INCLUDED AGAIN, OR IS THIS ADDRESSING DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE? UM, THIS IS A, A COMPREHENSIVE HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS, OR IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE WHOLE SYSTEM AS A WHOLE, AND THEN IT LOOKS AT EVERY NODE CONSIDERING THE NEW PROJECTS AS WELL AS ANY FUTURE PROJECTS.
SO IT'S KINDA, UH, LIKE A, A PLAN FOR, TO BE ABLE TO PREDICT OR PLAN TO THE FUTURE.
UM, AGAIN, THEY, HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS DO OCCUR AS THE DEVELOPMENTS COME ON BOARD, BUT IF WE WANNA LOOK IN ADVANCE, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
BUT THE WHOLE SOUTH OF FIRST, OR THE WHOLE FIRST STREET PROJECT IS A HUGE HYDRAULIC PROJECT.
I MEAN, THE SOUTH OF FIFTH PROJECT IS MAINLY A STORM WATER PROJECT THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS, OH, THAT DOESN'T TAKE, NOT SURE.
SO IS THERE A WAY TO KIND OF, UM, IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE HYDRAULIC STUDY ANYHOW, IS THERE A WAY TO KIND OF DO IT, UM, IN PHASES OR SOMETHING WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY LOOK AT THIS PART FIRST AND WE CAN CARVE OUT 50 GRAND TO GET THEM STARTED AND THEN THE REST FLOWS SEQUENTIALLY? NO PUN INTENDED.
I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT BRAD SHAKE HIS HEAD AND DIDN'T LOOK AT THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL, BUT I, IN TERMS OF A HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS, THE IDEA OF WAS TO LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE SOUTH BEACH AREA BECAUSE EVERYTHING AFFECTS EVERYTHING.
SO ARE WE DOING THIS CITYWIDE, AND I, FORGIVE ME COLLEAGUES, BUT I, I KNOW IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS, BUT ARE WE DOING THIS CITYWIDE? BECAUSE THE OTHER AREA THAT IS HAVING, UM, A HUGE AMOUNT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT IS NORTH BEACH BETWEEN US AND NORTH BAY VILLAGE.
AND THEN IF WE, IF WE, UM, YOU KNOW, GET OURSELVES TOGETHER AND WE SHOW THAT TDRS ARE GOOD IN INCENTIVIZING, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN, UM, HEIGHTS AND FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE ALONG 41ST STREET, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST SOUTH, UH, SOUTH BEACH.
IT'S GONNA BE NEEDING THIS WHOLE STUDY.
SO HOW ARE WE THINKING ABOUT THAT HOLISTICALLY AS A CITY? WELL, AGAIN, THIS, THE, THE REQUEST FOR THE HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS IS COMING FROM THE DAIS FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED HERE, INCLUDING WHEN WE DO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WASHINGTON AVENUE.
SO THAT WAS THE IDEA BEHIND THIS ONE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT AT THIS TIME,
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THAT WE DON'T FEEL THAT IT IS WARRANTED IN THE NORTH BEACH AREA AT THIS POINT.ALRIGHT, WELL WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION OFFLINE.
UM, I, I WOULD BE VERY CURIOUS TO HEAR YOUR REASONING AS TO WHY, GIVEN THE NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENTS AND WHATEVER'S GOING ON IN NORTH BAY VILLAGE, BUT WE CAN DO THAT OFFLINE.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME HAVE RAISED IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, THE LEVEL OF RES, YOU KNOW, HOW RESPONSIBLE WAS THAT POLICY DONE AT THE TIME, WHICH POLICY? NORTH BEACH, YOU KNOW, HOW RESPONSIBLE WAS THAT? WAS EVERYTHING REALLY TAKING, TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE? AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO AVOID.
I, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UM, FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE UP THERE IN NORTH BEACH.
WE HAVE RECURRING, ELEVATED, ELEVATED LEVELS OF, OF, UM, BACTERIA.
OF, OF, OF, OF BACTERIA UP THERE.
AND SO, AND SO I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN IN, UH, IN SOUTH BEACH.
AND WE'RE TRYING VERY HARD TO REMEDY IT IN NORTH BEACH.
AND SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY RESPONSIBLE.
THE, THE LEGISLATION IS RESPONSIBLE IN CREATING HOUSING AVAILABILITY AND CREATING ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES AND INVESTMENTS IN, IN PRESERVATION, BUT IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE RESPONSIBLE IN, UH, IN PRESERVING AND UPGRADING, UH, THE QUALITY OF OUR, OF OUR UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, 1, 1, 1 LAST QUESTION ON THIS.
UH, ASSUMING LET'S SAY WE WERE TO DO A TDR PROGRAM, DOES THIS LEGISLATION ESTABLISH THAT THIS IS THE CAP? BUT IF THERE IS A TDR THAT THE TDR WOULDN'T GO ABOVE THIS CAP, THAT THE TDR, HOW, HOW, HOW WOULD THIS WORK IN, IN THE EVENT THAT THERE IS A TDR IN THE FUTURE? SO AS CURRENTLY DRAFTED, THIS WOULD BE INDEPENDENT FROM ANY TDR.
UM, THERE IS NO PROVISION FOR THE, THE HEIGHTS THAT ARE OUT OUTLINED IN THESE DRAFT ORDINANCES THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO, OR THE FAR THAT THEY WOULD'VE TO PURCHASE.
SO, SO, SO JUST GUIDE ME HERE, MR. ATTORNEY, BECAUSE THIS IS WHY I WANTED TO HAVE THESE, THESE ITEMS TO TOGETHER.
IF WE WERE TO HAVE A TDR PROGRAM, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS WORK? UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, HOLISTICALLY SO THAT, OKAY, YOU HAVE A, A CAP THAT'S SET, UH, BY, BY THESE LEGISLATIONS, UM, BUT WE'RE NOT JUST AUTOMATICALLY GRANTING IT, IT MAYBE THEY, WE GRANT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF IT, BUT THEN THEY BUY THE REST OF IT THROUGH A TDR UP TO THE CAP THAT'S ESTABLISHED LEGISLATIVELY.
HOW DO WE DO THAT? AT WHAT POINT DO WE DO THAT? UM, I THINK IF, IF THE FIRST ITEM IDENTIFIES WASHINGTON AVENUE FOR A POTENTIAL TDR PROGRAM, UM, IF, IF WASHINGTON IS GOING TO BE A, A, UH, ASCENDING DISTRICT, BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, YOU COULD, YOU COULD, NO, WASHINGTON WOULD BE A RECEIVING DISTRICT, A RECEIVING DISTRICT, SORRY.
THEN YOU COULD, YOU COULD PROVIDE THAT THE FAR INCREASES, UM, THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING UNDER THESE, THIS OTHER LEGISLATION THAT THOSE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS MAY BE UP TO A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE COULD BE TRANSFERRED TO TWO OTHER PROPERTIES.
SO I THINK YOU COULD INCORPORATE THE TWO ORDINANCES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO, UM, UH, REFLECT EACH OTHER.
DEBBIE, DID I, DID I STATE THAT ACCURATELY OR YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
I THINK IF THE, JUST TO CLARIFY, IF THE, UM, THE 3.5 FAR OR, OR THE 3.0 FAR WERE TO BE CAPPED INCLUSIVE OF THE TDRS, INCLUSIVE OF THE TDRS, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REFLECTED IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCES.
IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCES, OKAY.
I THINK IF THE ORDINANCES WERE ADOPTED AS CURRENTLY DRAFTED, WE COULDN'T THEN, UNLESS WE AMENDED THE ORDINANCE, REQUIRE A DEVELOPER TO PURCHASE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS IN ORDER TO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THE ADDITIONAL FAR.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN I HAVE.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CREATE THE OPPORTUNITY IS WE NEED TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC ASSETS THAT WE HAVE.
SO I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS, THIS IS POSITIONED IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE CAP IS INCLUSIVE OF, OF TDRS, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT JUST GRANTING THEM E EVERYTHING, THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO INVEST IN PRESERVATION IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IF I COULD HAVE SIGN THIS IN THE CHAMBERS, PLEASE.
'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A MEETING UP HERE.
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SO HOW, HOW DO WE ACHIEVE THIS? I THINK THE COMMITTEE MAY WANNA DISCUSS THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF ITEM, UH, FOUR, BECAUSE I THINK ITEM ITEMS ONE, IF ITEMS ONE AND FOUR ARE GOING TO PROCEED, THEN I THINK ITEM FOUR MAY NEED TO BE AMENDED TO REFLECT THE GDR COMPONENT.AND THAT WOULD MEAN THAT IN LINCOLN ROAD, WE WOULDN'T BE, WE WOULDN'T BE OPEN TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO INCLUDE TDRS ON LINCOLN ROAD.
I THINK WE'RE BRINGING BACK THE TDR, UM, DISCUSSION.
SO RIGHT NOW, IT'S CERTAINLY A POSSIBILITY TO, OKAY, HERE'S THE THING.
WHEN THIS GOES BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR FIRST READING, IS EVERYTHING COMING BACK TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN CONSIDER EVERYTHING TOGETHER? IS THERE IS, ARE THE TDRS GOING BACK WITH LINCOLN ROAD, EAST LINCOLN ROAD WEST AND WASHINGTON AVENUE AS CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS? THESE ARE ON DIFFERENT TRACKS THAT WOULDN'T, IS IS THAT ADVISABLE? IT DEPENDS ON THE POLICY OF, OF THIS BODY IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE.
IF YOU WANT TO TIE THE ADDITIONAL FAR TO A TDR PROGRAM OR A PARTIAL T DDR R PROGRAM, I THINK THEN THEY WOULDS NEED TO GO TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE GOING ALL BACK TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE THAT WAY WE, WE ACHIEVE THE COLLECTIVE POLICY GOALS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE.
IF WE, IF WE APPROVE FAR AND THEN WE APPROVE A TDR PROGRAM AFTER, AFTER THE FACT, IT DEFEATS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF CREATING THE TDR PROGRAM.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I HAVE A COMMENT? PLEASE? YES, YOU MAY.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, UH, ITEMS, THE WASHINGTON AVENUE AND THE LINCOLN ROAD HAS AN EXPIRATION DATE.
THE TDR PROGRAM WOULD NOT HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE.
I THINK THE INTENT IS FOR THE TDR PROGRAM TO HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE AS A SUNSET PROVISION.
I, I DON'T, I DIDN'T READ IT IN HERE THAT THERE WAS AN EXPIRATION.
NO, BUT WE DISCUSSED IT AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION, THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING A SUNSET SO THAT WE CAN, UH, REVISIT THE PROGRAM, SEE, SEE IF IT'S WORKING WELL, MEETING ITS GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, WHETHER IT HAS ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
WELL, I I THINK THE, THE, I THINK WHEN WE LAST TOUCHED BASE ON THIS ITEM AN HOUR AGO WAS THAT WE'RE GONNA POSSIBLY SILO IT TO A VERY SMALL SPECIFIC LOCATION TO SEE IF IT DIDN'T GET OUTTA HAND AND IT BECOME A DEVELOPER'S, YOU KNOW, UH, TOOL TO CIRCUMVENT WHAT, WHAT WE WANTED IT TO DO.
UM, LOOK, I, BUT AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A NEIGHBORHOOD OF RESIDENTS AND, AND, AND NOT HAVE THE STATUS QUO.
IF, IF I HAVE THE FEELING UP HERE FOR MY COLLEAGUES THAT THERE'S MORE OF A, OF A NO HERE, LOOK, UH, OKAY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROPERTY IN WASHINGTON.
I DON'T HAVE ANY SELF-INTEREST.
I'M NOT GONNA BE MAKING A DIME OFF THIS.
I'M DOING WHAT I THINK IS BEST FOR MIAMI BEACH.
WE HAVE SHOOTINGS, WE HAVE STABBINGS, WE HAVE RAPES ON WASHINGTON AVENUE.
LINCOLN ROAD HAS PEOPLE WHO ARE HOLDING UP, UH, PATRONS IN VICTORIA'S SECRET GETTING SHOT.
OKAY? YOU HAVE A 70, YOU GOT, YOU GOT MAYBE WHAT? 30 40% OF LINCOLN ROAD IS VACANT.
AND WE'RE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT ELECTED NOT TO BE STATUS QUO.
I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE TO BEING CAUTIOUS FOR THIS, BUT LOOK, UH, I I'M DOING THIS BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS THE BEST VISION FOR OUR CITY.
WE'RE THE ONLY CITY IN THE WHOLE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT HAS LOST RESIDENTS IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, WHICH I FIND CRAZY.
SO, LOOK, IT, IT'S EITHER WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS VISION OR WE WANT TO JUST PUT A BUNCH OF NOS IN, IN, IN THE PROCESS.
AND, AND LOOK IT, GUYS, IT'S UP TO YOU.
WE NEED, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE NEED SIX OUTTA SEVEN VOTES.
SO
SO LOOK, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE ONE OF THE ONLY ITEMS I'M EVER GOING TO ASK FOR AN INCREASE IN DEVELOPMENT.
MOST OF MY ITEMS ARE QUALITY OF LIFE, AND THAT'S SORT OF MY BREAD AND BUTTER FOR THE CITY.
BUT IT COMES TO A POINT WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT FIGHTING, YOU KNOW, A WHACK-A-MOLE GAME OF QUALITY OF LIFE, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO THE, THE PROPER PLANNING OF THE CITY.
DO YOU WANNA PLAN FOR THE CITY YOU WANT, OR DO YOU WANNA BE STUCK WITH THE ONE YOU HAVE? SO, LOOK, UM, I'M GONNA DEFER TO MY COLLEAGUES ON THIS.
IF, IF, IF THERE IS A, IF I'M CERTAINLY GETTING THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE'S, THERE IS, UH, MORE TO THIS SORT OF, UH, UH, HESITANCY
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THAN MEETS THE EYE.AND LOOK, I MEAN, AT THE, I, I WANT TO HAVE, I, I WANT TO HAVE A MIAMI BEACH THAT MY CHILDREN CAN LIVE IN AND, AND, AND BE THANKFUL FOR, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THREE, THREE SMALL CHILDREN.
I WANT 'EM TO LIVE ON LINCOLN ROAD.
I WANT 'EM TO LIVE ON WASHINGTON AVENUE.
HELP ME, HOW COOL WOULD THAT BE IF THEY COULD GET TO LIVE ON LINCOLN ROAD AND WASHINGTON AND, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO BE UP HERE AND THROW ALL THESE ROADBLOCKS AND THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONS AND OF ALL THESE ROADBLOCKS, AND LISTEN AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS FOR RESIDENTS, OKAY? I'M EVEN WILLING TO CAP THE UNIT SIZE SO THAT IT'S NOT GONNA JUST BE A BUNCH OF LUXURY UNITS.
I'M EVEN GOING AS FAR AS SAYING LIKE, WE NEED TO LIMIT PARKING SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE TAILOR THE MARKET TO PEOPLE WHO, WHO JUST WANNA WALK EVERYWHERE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT VISION DO WE WANT MIAMI BEACH TO BE IN THE NEXT 20, 30 YEARS? BECAUSE LET'S BE HONEST, WHATEVER WE DECIDE UP HERE TODAY ISN'T GONNA BE BUILT IN FIVE YEARS.
IT'S GONNA BE PROBABLY BUILT IN LIKE 10 YEARS, AND WE'RE GONNA BE LONG GONE.
AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I AM BESTOWING A FUTURE TO MY CHILDREN AND MY NEIGHBOR'S CHILDREN SO THAT THEY HAVE A QUALITY OF LIFE AND THEY, THEY COULD LIVE IN THIS CITY.
AND IT'S NOT JUST A BUNCH OF 3000 PLUS SQUARE FOOT LUXURY CONDOS FOR JUST SNOWBIRDS.
SO LOOK, YOU GUYS, WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO, IF YOU WANNA, IF YOU WANNA THROW SHADE ON THIS, I, I'M GETTING THE MESSAGE, THAT'S FINE.
OKAY? WE'RE ALL GONNA HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING UP THAT WE'RE GONNA WANT AND WE'RE GONNA ALL NEED TO BE UNITED ON.
OKAY? SO, UH, BY ALL MEANS, I I'M HOPING THAT WE, SIR, I'M NOT GONNA ALLOW MY COLLEAGUES TO BE THREATENED ON THIS DAY.
LISTEN, NOT THAT IS, THAT IS A, A THREAT.
I HAVE THE, I HAVE THE WAY, HOLD UP.
DO NOT HAVE RAISED YOUR VOICES.
LOOK, I HAVE THE FLOOR, OKAY? AND I'M NOT THREATENING ANYONE.
I'M SIMPLY SAYING THAT MOVING FORWARD, WE ALL NEED TO BE UNITED ON THIS, OKAY? WE NEED TO BE UNITED ON ALL, UH, FAR PROJECTS.
SO LOOK, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE'RE NOT UNITED, WE'RE NOT UNITED.
THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION.
SO LOOK, I, I'LL DEFER TO YOU GUYS AND SEE WHAT, HOW YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS, OKAY? WE HAVE TO BE VERY CLEAR.
WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU IS IMPORTANT TO YOU.
AND ALL COMMISSIONERS HAVE PRIORITIES.
COMMISSIONER BOND HAS BEEN CONSISTENTLY CLEAR ABOUT HER CONCERNS ABOUT AN INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THAT MERITS AS MUCH ATTENTION AND DEFERENCE AS CONCERNS ABOUT AFFORDABILITY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THE SHOOTINGS, THE RAPINGS AND THE STABBINGS THAT ALL OF US ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND WE CAN'T SAY THAT COMMISSIONER BOT'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE ARE OUT OF PLACE BECAUSE THERE ARE RAPE SHOOTINGS AND STABBINGS GOING ON.
HER CONCERN IS VERY LEGITIMATE BECAUSE SHE LIVES IN A PART OF OUR CITY THAT IS PLAGUED BY INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN'T TOUCH THE WATER BECAUSE OUR CITY HAS BEEN DEVELOPED SO IRRESPONSIBLY THAT INFRASTRUCTURES IS, IS DISINTEGRATING RIGHT NOW.
AND WE HAVE ELEVATED LEVELS OF, OF, OF MATTER OF, OF, OF, OF BACTERIA.
I'M TRYING TO FIND A NICE WAY TO SAY THE C WORD.
UM, THAT PEOPLE CAN'T TOUCH THE WATER.
AND THAT IS AS IMPORTANT AS ALL THE ARGUMENTS YOU ARE MAKING.
COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, PRESERVING OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS IS ALSO AS IMPORTANT AS EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND THEY ALL DESERVE TO BE LISTENED TO.
IT'S NOT YOUR HIGHWAY OR THE, IT'S NOT YOUR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY.
EVERYONE'S POINTS NEEDS, NEED TO BE CONSIDERED IN ORDER TO GET EVERY ANYTHING DONE HERE.
WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE GENERAL CONTEXT OF THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE IT'S MY OWN LEGISLATION TOO.
MY OWN LEGISLATION WON'T GET THE SIX VOTES NECESSARY UNLESS WE ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO JUST BE MINDFUL.
NO ONE IS TELLING YOU NO TO YOUR LEGISLATION.
I HAVE NOT HEARD A NO COMING OUT OF HERE.
WHAT I'VE HEARD IS LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD RESPONSIBLY.
COMMISSIONER BOT, UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU MEANT TO CAST DISPERSIONS ABOUT, UM, WHY PEOPLE WERE, WERE MOVING SLOWER THAN YOU WOULD LIKE.
I WILL PRESUME IT WAS A MISSTATEMENT.
I'LL GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT ON THAT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS SAYING NO TO ANYTHING.
I THINK WHAT EVERYBODY IS SAYING, UM, YES, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE WE GET IT DONE CORRECTLY, BECAUSE FOR TOO LONG, UM, THINGS GET DONE IN HASTE AND NOT CORRECTLY.
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BACK AND, UM, PEOPLE WHO SEEK TO BENEFIT FROM THE NEW POLICY, UH, DO A SWITCH AND BAIT, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GO FROM 75 FEET TO 150 TO 200 FEET BEFORE YOU KNOW IT.SO I THINK WE HAVE VERY UNITED GOALS FOR OUR CITY.
YOU KNOW, IN THE IDEAL WORLD, WE WOULD HAVE A MASTER PLAN THAT TAKES THE ENTIRETY OF THE CITY AND, AND LOOKS AT HOW THINGS WOULD BE DEVELOPED AND WHAT THINGS CAN GO FIRST AND WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE BUILT, HOW AND WHEN.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THIS IS KIND OF GETTING TO A MINI MASTER PLAN FOR A CONTIGUOUS SECTION, WASHINGTON AND LINCOLN.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE COMMISSION MEETING WHEN IT WAS FIRST DISCUSSED, OR ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IT'S LINKED, THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE IT IN THE ABSTRACT.
AND I THINK TAKING AN EXTRA MONTH OR TWO MONTHS TO GET TO THE CORRECT ANSWER, TO GET TO THE CORRECT WAY TO INCENTIVIZE THIS SO THAT WE GET THE WHAT, THE OUTCOME THAT WE DESIRE.
I MEAN, WE HEARD FROM A BUNCH OF FOLKS SAYING THAT THE SETBACKS, WHICH NEVER OCCURRED TO ME MIGHT BE, UH, TOO, TOO DRACONIAN AND MAY NOT EFFECTUATE THE CHANGE THAT WE WANT.
MAYBE THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE SHOULD HAVE WITH STAFF.
I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS, BUT TO JUST PUSH FORWARD AND SAY IT'S, IT'S CORRECT THE WAY IT IS NOW, LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WAY IT IS NOW WHEN WE HAVE SOME VALID QUESTIONS AND NEED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, I WOULD RATHER TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET IT RIGHT RATHER THAN FORCE IT THROUGH AND NOT HAVE IT YIELD THE RESULTS THAT WE WANT.
BECAUSE WE ALL WANT BETTER AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BETTER ATTAINABLE HOUSING.
WE WANT TOILET THAT FLUSH ON THE REGULAR.
WE WANT OUR KIDS TO BE ABLE TO WALK THEIR DOGS IN THE EVENING AFTER DINNER.
WE'RE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT VIEW, BUT WE ALSO WANNA PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF OUR CITY, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T CREATE ANY UNINTENDED LOOPHOLES.
SO, YOU KNOW, TO QUOTE MYSELF, LET'S MEASURE TWICE AND, AND CUT ONCE.
AND SO, AND SO LET'S BRING THIS BACK IN.
IF THE MOTION THAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE, THE MOTION THAT THAT'S ON THE TABLE IS TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE, COMMISSIONER SUAREZ IS NOT KILLING YOUR ITEM.
THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS SENDING THIS TO THE PLANNING BOARD, SO THEN IT CAN GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR A FIRST READING.
AND I THINK IT'S VERY DISINGENUOUS TO SAY THAT THAT IS PUTTING A ROADBLOCK ON, ON YOUR LEGISLATION WHEN YOUR COLLEAGUES HERE ARE SUPPORTING YOUR ITEM MOVING FORWARD.
IN FACT, THE ONLY ITEM THAT IS BEFORE US THAT IS ACTUALLY MOVING FORWARD TO THE PLANNING BOARD WITH THE CAVEAT OF A $250,000 STUDY THAT'S GONNA TAKE SIX MONTHS.
THIS PROCESS, IS THIS GOING TO THE PLANNING BOARD? HOW LONG OF A PROCESS IS IT? UM, THE, THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD PROBABLY, UH, IT WOULD BE NOTICED FOR THEIR PLANNING BOARD FOR THEIR NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE THE JANUARY MEETING.
THEN THERE WOULD BE NEED TO BE AN INTERVENING PUBLIC WORKSHOP.
UM, SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE ANOTHER MONTH.
SO THE EARLIEST THE PLANNING BOARD COULD HAVE THEIR SECOND HEARING WOULD BE FEBRUARY.
AND THEN IT DOESN'T GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION AT LEAST TILL FIRST RATING.
SO FIRST RATING COULD BE POTENTIALLY AT THE END, MARCH OF FEBRUARY, MORE LIKELY MARCH MM-HMM.
AND THEN BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING.
SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE APRIL.
AND THEN IT HAS TO COME BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
AND SO IT'S LIKE A SIX MONTH PROCESS ANYWAYS.
SO WE MIGHT VERY WELL HAVE THIS STUDY BY THE END OF THE PROCESS.
THIS STUDY CAN BE, CAN TAKE PLACE WHILE THIS PROCESS IS GOING THROUGH.
IS THAT CORRECT, MR. DIRECTOR? MR. MR. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANNA BE CLEAR AS TO WHAT THE DIRECTION IS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T COMMENCE THE STUDY UNTIL WE HAVE THE MONEY AND THEN WE CAN DO THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
SO THE SIX MONTHS STARTS WHEN PUBLIC WORKS IS ABLE TO ACTUALLY CUT THE DEAL WITH THE CONSULTANT THAT'S GONNA DO THE STUDY.
SO THAT KNOW FOR EXPECTATIONS, AND THAT COULD BE HOW LONG, WELL, I, I, AGAIN, I, THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE A BUDGET AMENDMENT OR, OR SOME OTHER WAY WHERE WE FIND THE, THE MONEY.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO DECIDE, DO WE, ARE WE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE OR NOT? YES.
ARE WE, ARE WE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE? CAN WE BRING IT? AND, AND AGAIN, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE, YOU'RE RECOGNIZING ME, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE TO SAY THIS OR HOW MANY TIMES I CAN MAKE MYSELF MORE CLEAR OR THE PUBLIC DIRECT PUBLIC WORK STRUCTURE, MAKING MYSELF MORE CLEAR IN ORDER FOR ANY DEVELOPMENTS TO GO FORWARD, THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO MAKE THEIR OWN STUDY.
RIGHT? AND TO SEE IF IT IMPACTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IF IT, AND HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A DEVELOPER'S TRAFFIC STUDY? THEY ALWAYS TELL YOU THIS IS DIFFERENT THOUGH.
THIS IS NOT, THEY ALWAYS NO, IT'S NOT DIFFERENT, COMMISSIONER.
IT'S NOT DIFFERENT BECAUSE I'VE READ THESE STUDIES AND I'VE HAD TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON THESE STUDIES.
AND, UH, COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE SAT ON THE PLANNING BOARD, COMMISSIONER BOT SAT ON THE PLANNING BOARD.
THESE DEVELOPERS PAY PEOPLE TO DO STUDIES THAT
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FRANKLY, I'VE NEVER TRUSTED.I DON'T TRUST THE INDEPENDENCE OF THOSE STUDIES.
THEY'LL TELL YOU, OH, THE ROAD, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE AN IMPACT TO, TO, TO THE ROADWAY.
WELL GET OUT OF, OF MY HOU TRY TO GET OUT OF MY HOUSE AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE, IN THE AFTERNOON AND TELL ME WHETHER THERE'S AN IMPACT TO THE ROADWAYS IF I CAN RESPOND TO THAT.
AND SO, AND, AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY RESPONSIBLE WITH THE LEGISLATION THAT WE ARE ADVANCING.
AND WE CAN'T JUST SAY FOR THE SAKE OF EXPEDIENCY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MOVE QUICKLY.
WE'RE NOT GONNA CONSIDER THIS.
I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER IT SO THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE IT INTO OUR PLANNING WITHOUT HOLDING UP THE LEGISLATION.
IF I CAN RESPOND TO THAT, I, I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC STUDIES ISN'T, ISN'T CONCRETE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WATER AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND SEWAGE.
THAT IS, THAT, THAT'S A MATHEMATICAL, UH, REALITY.
THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY TEST FOR THE MAXIMUMS. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, THE DIFFERENCE IS APPLES AND ORANGES AS FAR AS, BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE PLENTY OF TRAFFIC FROM, UH, A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS, FOR EXAMPLE, A HOTEL WHERE YOU CAN'T REALLY CALCULATE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME AND GO.
I MEAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN GUESS, BUT WHEN YOU DO A STUDY ON SEWAGE OR WATER, IT, IT'S PRETTY CUT, CLEAR AND DRY.
SO AGAIN, LOOK GUYS, UH, I, I SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING.
I, I'M, I, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD USE OF TAXPAYER MONEY FOR, TO SPEND A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS ON A STUDY THAT'S GONNA BE STUDIED ANYWAYS.
UM, AND, AND LOOK, UH, I, IF THIS IS HOW YOU GUYS WANT TO GO AND IT, BECAUSE IT CERTAINLY SEEMS THAT BETWEEN A BUDGET AMENDMENT AND A FINANCE MEETING, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE THREE, THREE MONTHS MAYBE IF YOU HAVE THE VOTES AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER SIX MONTHS, UH, OF THE STUDY.
SO WE'RE PUSHING THIS WHAT A YEAR? I MEAN, UH, LOOK, I, I, I, I DON'T SEE THAT, UH, OF REALITY.
SO LOOK, YOU GUYS, I MADE A MOTION, HOWEVER, WHOEVER WANTS TO SECOND IT, UH, TOTALLY OKAY WITH THAT.
UM, AND, AND WE WILL JUST SEE WHERE THE CHIPS FALL.
THERE'S A, OKAY, SO GOING BACK TO, UH, STAFF, THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE MOVES THESE TWO ITEMS. ONE GOES BACK TO COMMISSION, THE OTHER ONE GOES TO, TO THE PLANNING BOARD AS IT RELATES, UH, TO THE TDRS.
UM, WAS WAS THE ITEM, THE, THE ITEM WAS NOT MOVED TO INCLUDE THE TDR COMPONENT IN, IN IT OR NOT ITEM NUMBER ONE, ARE YOU REFERRING TO YEAH, THE TDR COMPONENT THAT WAS, WE WERE DIRECTED TO BRING THAT BACK IN JANUARY WITH MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION TO THE THIS COMMITTEE.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA GRANT THE FAR WITHOUT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, THE TDR COMPONENTS.
AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
SO THERE'S A MOTION, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE COMING BACK TO COMMISSION ANYWAYS.
SO I'M SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT.
SO WE WOULD, UM, INCREASE FAR AND THEN POTENTIALLY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL, AN INCREMENTAL INCREASE OF FAR AVAILABLE THROUGH A TDR PROGRAM.
I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT AT FIRST READING WE COULD CONSIDER INCORPORATING THE, THE, THE TDR AS PART OF THE CAP.
I MEAN, AND CORRECT ME MR. ATTORNEY IF I'M WRONG, IF YOU'RE ESTABLISHING A CAP, THE TDR CAN BE INCORPORATED AS PART OF THE CAP IN THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD THOUGH IS THAT BECAUSE THIS IS AN LDR AMENDMENT, IT REQUIRES REVIEW BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND SO IF, IF THAT'S GONNA BE THE INTENT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE KNOW THAT NOW, THEN WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT IN WHAT GOES TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
BUT IF, IF NOT, MAYBE AT A LATER STAGE IT COULD BE INCORPORATED AS LONG AS BOTH COMMISSIONER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INCORPORATE THE TDR UH, COMPONENT INTO, INTO YOUR LINCOLN ROAD, UH, PORTION OF THE LEGISLATION? UH, LOOK, I I, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE PREMATURE BECAUSE THEY, THE STAFF IS GONNA COME BACK AND SAY WHICH SITES SHOULD BE RECEIVING IF, IF IT HAPPENS TO BE LINCOLN ROAD.
UM, BUT IF WE MOVE FORWARD NOW, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE IT LATER WITHOUT GOING BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND THEN YOU'LL BE UPSET BECAUSE WE'RE DELAYING IT.
'CAUSE WE'RE SENDING IT BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO THE QUESTION IS, SO DO WE WANT TO GIVE STAFF AND THEN IF WE SAY, LET STAFF DO THE STUDY, THEN YOU'RE GONNA GET UPSET BECAUSE WE'RE DELAYING IT TO JANUARY.
I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I HOPE I CAN'T PREDICT MY EMOTIONS HERE.
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IF, IF THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE GONNA BE A CAP, UH, ON, ON FAR? UH, YEAH, AND, AND I'M, I'M, I'M MORE THAN REASONABLE TO WORK WITH, UM, IN MY ITEMS AS FAR AS THE TDR PROGRAM, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, I THINK THE MAX IS FOUR ON, ON, ON, UM, ON WASHINGTON AVENUE.I KNOW WE'RE NOT, WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT WASHINGTON AVENUE, BUT WE, WE TALK ABOUT IT NOW.
MAYBE WE BRING IT TO THREE AND A HALF, AND THEN THE TDR PROGRAM GIVES YOU THAT EXTRA INCENTIVE TO GO TO FOUR.
SO, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK THAT ITEM TO DISCUSS IT NOW.
UM, BUT, UH, I'M, I'M CERTAINLY, I'M AGREEABLE TO, TO WORK ON IT,
SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF YOUR MOTION? OKAY, SO, UM, MADAM DIRECTOR, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE ME SOME MY, UH, OPTIONS.
SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE COMMITTEE MAY BE OPEN TO REFERRING, UM, THE LINCOLN ROAD WEST TO THE PLANNING BOARD WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION THAT THE FAR BE CAPPED BELOW THE PROPOSED MAXIMUM, AND THAT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE ABOVE THAT BE ALLOWABLE AS A BONUS FOR A TDR WITHIN THE GIVEN TIMEFRAME OF THE EXPIRATION DATE.
SO I BELIEVE WASHINGTON AVENUE, LINCOLN ROAD HAVE A SEVEN YEAR EXPIRATION DATE THAT SHOULD RUN CONCURRENT WITH ANY SORT OF TDR PROGRAM.
AND AS FAR AS THE INCENTIVE, I DON'T KNOW THE INCENTIVE OR THE, THE DELTA BETWEEN WHAT IS ALLOWED BY A RIGHT AND WHAT COULD BE ALLOWED.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE REALLY ISN'T THAT MUCH, UM, FAR AND FLAMINGO PARK, FOR EXAMPLE, LEFT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MY COLLEAGUES FEEL ABOUT THIS, BUT I'M CERTAINLY OKAY WITH A, UH, A 0.5 FAR INCREASE.
SO WE WOULD GIVE FLAMINGO PARK, UH, A 0.5 FAR INCREASE IN ORDER TO SELL IT TO LINCOLN ROAD AND WASHINGTON AVENUE, UH, AS FAR TO, TO MAKE TO MEET THAT FOUR CAP.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MY COLLEAGUES FEEL ABOUT THAT.
SINCE, SINCE THE, SINCE THE AVAILABILITY, UM, IN THE FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE AVAIL, THE UNUSED FAR IS MINIMAL.
IT'S NOT THAT MUCH, IT'S A LIMITED QUANTITY.
I GUESS IT'S A GOOD WAY TO TEST IT TO SEE IF THERE IS A DEMAND FOR IT.
UH, AND IT'S A, DOING IT PRETTY MUCH AT A LOWER SCALE WHERE YOU CAP THE FAR WHERE YOU CAP THE FAR AT 3.5, AND THEN THE REMAINING 0.5 DOING IT THROUGH A TDR INCENTIVE PROGRAM THROUGH I THE CHAIR.
CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? IS THAT CORRECT THOUGH? IS THAT A CORRECT, UH, YEAH, I HEARD A BIT OF A DIFFERENT, UM, SUMMARY THERE.
I THINK COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, ARE YOU PROPOSING TO, FOR THE CITY TO INCREASE FAR IN FLAMINGO PARK BY 0.5 IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEM TO SELL THAT 0.5? OR ARE YOU SAYING IF YOU HAVE 0.5 AVAILABLE UNUSED, THEN THAT 0.5 COULD BE TRANSFERRED TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE TO THE CAP OF THE FAR FOR LINCOLN ROAD? I THINK IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING, YOU MENTIONED THAT FLAMINGO PARK DOESN'T HAVE AVAILABLE FAR TO GIVE.
AND SO IN ORDER FOR THE PROGRAM TO WORK, WE WOULD HAVE TO ALLOW FLAMINGO PARK TO HAVE, UH, AN INCREASE IN FAR.
AND WHAT I'M SAYING, WHAT I'M SUGGESTING OR PROPOSING IS INCREASE IT BY 0.5 AND BRING THE CAP THAT, WELL, THE, AS OF ALL RIGHTS ON LINCOLN ROAD, IN WASHINGTON AVENUE, VIEW DOWN 0.5 FROM WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY.
UM, AND THEN HAVE THEM, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TDR PROGRAM TO GO IN EFFECT TO, UH, REGAIN THAT 0.5.
SO IN A SENSE, YOU'RE BASICALLY INCENTIVIZING, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GIVING, YOU'RE GIVING THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN FLAMINGO PARK AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUY FAR FROM A DEVELOPER TO, AND, AND BY THE WAY, IT'S, IT'S, IT, IT'S, THAT'S THE POINT.
IT'S SPECIFIC THAT IT HAS TO BE USED FOR REHABILITATING THE BUILDING, UH, IN, IN FLAMINGO PARK, IN THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, UM, SO THAT A DEVELOPER CAN
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COME IN AND BUY FAR FROM MULTIPLE PROJECTS, LET'S SAY ON LINCOLN ROAD.THERE IS A LARGE LOT, YOU KNOW, HE'S, I'M ASSUMING HE'S GONNA HAVE TO BUY FAR FROM MULTIPLE BUILDINGS FROM ONE OF THESE SMALL ART DECO BUILDINGS, WHICH WILL GREATLY ENHANCE THE BUILDING AND BE ABLE TO GET TO THE CAP OF FOUR OF, OF WHATEVER WE'RE PROPOSING HERE TODAY.
SO THAT'S HOW IT CAN WORK HAND IN HAND.
UH, AND I'M CERTAINLY OKAY WITH THAT.
UH, MR. CHAIR,
UH, AND THE, UH, AND, AND THE MONEY THAT THEY GET FROM THAT GOES BACK INTO THE PRESERVATION OF THE PROPERTY OR, OR INTO SOME SORT OF RENTAL PROGRAM ON, ON THE PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE, NOT ALL PROPERTIES NEED TO BE RESTORED, UM, BUT PERHAPS IN SOME CASES IT COULD HELP US, UH, WORK ON AFFORDABILITY.
WHAT I WORRY ABOUT WITH THIS ONE IS I MET WITH THE FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND THEY DON'T WANT ANY MORE FAR IN THEIR AREA.
HAS, UM, ANY OF THIS BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THEM? THAT'S WHY THE ITEM THAT I BROUGHT FORWARD AND, UH, COMMISSIONER BOT HAD CO-SPONSORED AND SHE'S DOING STUFF FOR NORTH BEACH, HAD TO DO WITH INCENTIVIZING WITHOUT FAR, HAVING THE INCENTIVES DEAL WITH, UH, FEE WAIVERS OR, UH, HOLDING THEIR HANDS THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WORRY EXACTLY WHAT FLAMINGO PARK SAID THAT THEY DID NOT WANT IS WHAT'S ON THE TABLE.
AND SO, WHEN FLAMINGO PARK MADE THOSE STATEMENTS, WAS IT THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD? ABSOLUTELY.
WHAT DO YOU, SO, SO, SO THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FAR LEADING TO DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT.
THEY WANTED, UM, AND SEND, SO THIS DOES THE OPPOSITE.
THIS, THIS FAR WOULD ONLY BE LIKE A BANK OF MONEY FOR THEM WHERE IT COULD NOT BE USED FOR DEVELOPMENT.
CORRECT ME, MADAM DIRECTOR, IF I'M WRONG.
IT COULD NOT BE USED FOR DEVELOPMENT IN FLAMINGO PARK.
IT COULD ONLY BE SOLD TO A RECEIVING PROPERTY.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND I THOUGHT THE RECEIVING PROPERTY WAS IN FLAMINGO PARK.
THAT'S WHERE MY CONFUSION CAME.
THE RECEIVING PROPERTY IN THIS CASE, UNDER THE CURRENT MOTION, WOULD BE ON LINCOLN ROAD OR WASHINGTON AND, AND POTENTIALLY ON WASHINGTON AS WELL.
OR POTENTIALLY ANY OTHER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? I I, I, I THINK YOU, YOU'VE GOT, YEAH, IN THE FUTURE, FIFTH, ALTON EXCLUDED.
I MEAN, TECHNICALLY WE DIDN'T EXCLUDE IT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KIND OF GOT WHERE WE'RE FEELING ON THIS.
AND, AND, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T, TH THIS COULD BE A BANK THAT CAN HELP A LOT OF PROPERTIES, PROPERTIES, UH, ACHIEVE PRESERVATION OR EVEN AFFORDABILITY, DEPENDING ON HOW WE DECIDE TO USE THIS.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE SHOULD LIMIT IT TO 0.5.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND GIVING THEM 0.1, UH, BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE MIGHT BE, UH, YOU MEAN WILLING ONE POINT 0.1, UH, YOU YOU MEAN 1.0? YEAH, YEAH.
UM, BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE MIGHT BE WILLING TO SELL, AND THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE A DEMAND, UH, FOR THIS, FOR THIS F-A-F-A-R, UM, AND THAT, AND THAT ULTIMATELY MEANS THAT THAT'S MONEY THAT'S GOING INTO PRESERVATION, OR THAT'S MONEY THAT COULD BE GOING INTO COMMITTING A PROPERTY, UH, TO AFFORDABILITY.
AND SO, AND SO I WOULD, IF WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S HELP THEM MORE RATHER THAN MAKE IT MORE RESTRICTIVE.
WE CAN CAP WHAT THE RECEIVING PROPERTIES CAN GET.
BUT I WOULDN'T, I, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I WOULD CONSIDER, I WOULD, I WOULD LET THE PLANNING BOARD CONSIDER THAT, WHETHER IT'S 0.5 THAT WE GRANT THEM, WHETHER IT'S 1.0, LET THEM CONSIDER THAT BASED ON THE NUMBERS AND THE ECONOMICS OF IT.
AND HOW MUCH GOOD COULD THAT DO TO HELP PROPERTIES ACHIEVE, UH, PRESERVATION COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE, UH, MR. CHAIR, I, I REALLY LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE, WHERE IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE GOING TO ESSENTIALLY, UH, THEN ALSO FACILITATE THE PRESERVATION OF OUR CHERISHED HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
ANOTHER WAY, UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE LAND USE BOARD, UH, THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED IN FINANCE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING.
THEY'RE ALL, YEAH, TIFF, UH, OFTEN ISSUED AS BONDS, AND IT'S ALMOST A SIMILAR CONCEPT.
IT'D BE MORE HOLISTIC, WHERE IF WE ESSENTIALLY DESIGNATED LINCOLN ROAD AND WASHINGTON AVENUE BECAUSE THEY ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO FLAMINGO PARK, AND YOU WOULD ESSENTIALLY SAY, OKAY, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE X, HOWEVER, WITH THESE INCENTIVES, YOU WILL HAVE X PLUS ONE.
WELL, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE THAT PLUS ONE, THE EXCESS REVENUES THAT ARE GENERATED THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT,
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AND YOU COULD PUT THAT INTO A FUND, UH, THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS PRESERVATION OF OUR ART DECO HISTORIC AREAS.SO IT'S, UH, IT'S A SIMILAR TYPE PREMISE.
UM, BUT YOU WOULDN'T ESSENTIALLY GET INTO, LIKE THE PRIVATE SALE.
IT WOULD BE A, A HOLISTIC VISION, UH, WHERE YOU COULD, UH, INCORPORATE SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
AND MR. MR. ATTORNEY, WHAT ARE THE STATE REGULATIONS? HAVE WE LOOKED INTO THE STATE REGULATIONS AS IT RELATES TO TAX INCREMENT FINANCING? THE ONLY CONTEXT I'M AWARE THAT WE CAN DO THAT IS, IS, IS WITH A, A REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.
BUT I, WE WOULD NEED TO RESEARCH THAT A LITTLE FURTHER FOR, FOR THIS AREA, FOR AND FOR THIS RDA.
AND, AND, AND IT'S BEEN, UH, DONE IN, IN THE PAST AS A, AS IT RELATES TO TRANSPORTATION HUBS, UH, WHERE YOU'RE ABLE TO, THROUGH THE TDS TO, UH, GET THE TAX INCREMENT AND, AND REINVESTED.
AND SO THERE MIGHT BE CERTAIN AREAS WHERE THAT POTENTIALLY COULD WORK.
COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE, ESPECIALLY TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS.
UH, I THINK, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE STATUTE THAT MIGHT, UH, ALLOW THAT.
UH, SO MAYBE THE CITY ATTORNEY COULD RESEARCH THAT, UH, FURTHER FOR US.
UH, WHO'S GONNA BRING US BACK INTO, UH, BE IMPROPER POSTURE HERE? SO MR. THROUGH THE CHAIR.
UM, JUST SOME CLARIFICATION SAUSAGE MAKING HERE.
THE, I THINK THE DIRECTION IS CLEAR.
UM, WHAT I THINK THERE'S STILL A QUESTION ON IS, DO WE WANT TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE TDR PROGRAM? I THINK PRIOR TO INCORPORATING THIS IN, IN A PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDATION, I THINK I, I THINK, UM, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS TWO WAYS.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA HOLD UP LEGISLATION THAT'S BEFORE US.
AND SO, AND SO I THINK WE CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, SAY WE WANT TO SEE THIS INCORPORATED AS PART OF LEGISLATION THAT'S BEFORE US.
UM, I WOULD BE, I, I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO RESTRICTIVE ON THE PLANNING BOARD.
I DON'T WANT TO TELL THE PLANNING BOARD THAT THE CAP SHOULD BE 3.5 OR 3.0.
I WANT TO GIVE THE PLANNING BOARD LEEWAY BECAUSE THEY ARE THE PLANNING EXPERTS.
AND SO I WANT TO GIVE THEM LEEWAY FOR THEM TO SAY, WELL, THIS AMOUNT OF IT SHOULD BE TDR AND THIS AMOUNT SHOULD BE AS OF RIGHT.
UM, SO WE HAVE THE LEGISLATION BEFORE US, AND THAT'S GONNA MOVE FORWARD.
ON LINCOLN, ON LINCOLN ROAD WEST, THAT'S GOING TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND LINCOLN ROAD EAST, THAT'S GOING BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
SO WE CAN DO THE REFERRAL TO, TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND THEN ITEM NUMBER ONE, A MORE GENERAL BROAD POLICY, UH, IS GOING TO COME BACK, UH, TO THE COMMITTEE IN JANUARY.
IS THAT FAIR? THAT'S CLEAR, YES.
AND THEN, AND THEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE ANALYSIS.
UM, COMMISSIONER, I GET YOUR CONCERNS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL FINDING THE PATHWAY TO SIX VOTES.
UH, ULTIMATELY THAT IS, THAT IS THE GOAL.
AND, AND, UM, AND SO, AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S THIS, THIS IS A PART OF THAT.
AND, UM, MAYBE WE CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN BE DONE TO EXPEDITE THAT STUDY.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS A VERY NARROW AREA OF, OF THE CITY WHERE WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT POLICY WHERE WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE POLICY LOOKS LIKE.
AND SO PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, IS IT REALLY GONNA TAKE SIX MONTHS? CAN WE CON, CAN, CAN WE COMMUNICATE WITH THE CONSULTANT AND SEE, AND SEE, GET A BETTER TIMEFRAME FROM HIM OR HER, UH, COMMISSIONER OR OR VICE MAYOR? WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
UH, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEIR PROPOSAL, UH, ADVISES IS GONNA TAKE.
CAN IT BE A LITTLE SHORTER? IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT IT DOESN'T START UNTIL I'M ABLE TO COMMIT, COMMIT AND ISSUE A PURCHASE ORDER, AND THEY CAN ACTUALLY START WORKING.
SO I, I, IS THIS, IS THIS STUDY FOR ALL OF SOUTH BEACH? YES.
SO SHOULD WE DO A MOTION TO SEND THAT A REFERRAL FOR FINANCE, SEND IT TO COMMISSION SO THAT WE CAN DO A REFERRAL TO FINANCE? UM, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
I, I BELIEVE I ALREADY YOU DID THAT ALREADY.
SO THAT'S ALREADY BEFORE THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND MR. REK IS, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? NO, NO, NO, NO.
THERE'S ALREADY GOING TO FINANCE.
IT'S, IT'S FOR THE COMMISSION.
IT, I, I'VE ASKED FOR IT TO BE PLACED ON THE OCTOBER COMMISSION AS A REFERRAL TO FINANCE FOR THE NOVEMBER FINANCE MEETING SO THAT IT DOESN'T GET SEWED DOWN.
I, IF I MAY, YEAH, I BELIEVE THE FI BECAUSE THE NOVEMBER FINANCE MEETINGS THIS WEEK, IF I'M CORRECT.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA MAKE IT, SO, BECAUSE IT SAYS IT'S GOTTA GO TO NOVEMBER COMMISSION, SO IT'S GOTTA BE DECEMBER.
SO IT, IT'S GOTTA BE DECEMBER FERC,
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SO IT'LL BE IN THE DECEMBER FERC.SO IT'S COMING UP, SO IT'LL BE ON THE NEXT, THE NOVEMBER COMMISSION MEETING, GO TO THE NEXT POSSIBLE FERC, WHICH WOULD BE DECEMBER.
AND THIS WOULD BE, AND BOTH WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING BOTH TRACKS, CORRECT? UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. CHAIR.
WHAT'S THAT? IT'D BE DUAL TRACK.
UH, CAN YOU GO BACK ON THAT? I GOT LOST FOR DUAL TRACK.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE FI WE'RE REFERRING IT TO FINANCE AND AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON THE LEGISLATION.
WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE LEGISLATION.
NO ONE'S HOLDING BACK LEGISLATION.
DID WE, DID WE VOTE? I DON'T THINK WE VOTED ON THE MOTION.
SO CAN WE SHOW THAT ADOPTED BY ACCLIMATION? YEAH.
SO IF WE HAVE TWO WARRANT ELECTION DAY.
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SUAREZ, I THINK WE COULD JUST MOVE THE ITEM, UH, THE WASHINGTON AVENUE ITEM, RIGHT? I MEAN WE JUST, WE, WE PRETTY MUCH DISCUSSED THAT AS LONG ALONG THE SAME LINES.ARE, ARE THERE ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THIS ITEM THAT NEED TO BE, UH, DISCUSSED? WE, ARE YOU ASKING ME? WELL, A ANYONE THE STAFF, YOU, IT'S YOUR ITEM.
YEAH, WE, WE CAME THE LAST TIME THIS WAS HEARD AT LAND USE, IT WAS A, UM, AN FAR OF THREE.
UM, AND WITH A A HUNDRED FEET, UH, MAXIMUM WITH CERTAIN INCENTIVES, UH, AFTER STUDYING THIS WITH, UH, WITH ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS, DAVID MARTIN, WE DID IT CAREFUL ANALYSIS AND IT WASN'T ENOUGH, UH, FOR, FOR, FOR A STRIKE PRICE OF SOME OF THESE, UH, LOTS.
AND SO I SIMPLY REQUESTED TO GO FROM THREE TO FOUR.
AND, AND THERE'S AN INCREASE IN DENSITY FROM ONE 50 TO 1 75 TO ON THE UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, AND LIKE WE JUST DISCUSSED IN THE LAST COUPLE ITEMS, I HAVE NO PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THIS DOWN FROM A FOUR TO THREE, THREE AND A HALF WITH, WITH THE, THE TDR PROGRAM, UM, BEING GOING UP TO FOUR AS AS A, UH, AN AS A, AS A FURTHER INCENTIVE AS A CAP CORRECT.
BUT I BELIEVE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, THAT WE HAVE TO AGREE TO A FOUR CAP HERE, UH, AND IN THE MEANTIME AND THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS A FLEXIBILITY OF GIVING US THEIR INPUT.
'CAUSE I, WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I DON'T WANT IS TO TELL THE PLANNING BOARD, IF IT'S 3.5 OR THREE, LIKE I WANT THEIR FEEDBACK ON, ON WHAT THAT SHOULD BE.
UM, THIS IS VERY, VERY, VERY AGGRESSIVE POLICY.
BUT I THINK WASHINGTON AVENUE IS IN DIRE NEEDS, UH, OF THIS, YOU KNOW, DIRE, DIRE NEED OF, OF ENERGY, OF, OF INVESTMENT.
AND THERE WILL BE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE MAD.
THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO WILL CALL IN INTO THESE MEETINGS AND SAY, AND SAY FAUCETS ABOUT US, UH, AND AS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE, IN THE EARLIER ITEMS. BUT PEOPLE, IF WE DO THIS, AND THIS ENDS UP BEING WHAT IT IS ENVISIONED TO BE, PEOPLE WON'T BE ABLE TO CALL US AND ACCUSE US OF NOT BEING VISIONARIES AND NOT TRYING TO TRANSFORM THE AREA AWAY FROM RAPE SHOOTINGS AND STABBINGS.
THEY WON'T BE ABLE, THEY MIGHT TRY TO ACCUSE US OF OTHER THINGS, BUT THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO ACCUSE US OF STATUS QUO ON AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING.
THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO ACCUSE US OF NOT LOOKING TO REIGNITE THE ECONOMIC ENGINE OF THE REGION.
THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO ACCUSE US OF NOT TAKING ACTIONS ON STABBINGS, ON SHOOTINGS AND, AND RAPES.
UH, AND SO AND SO THINGS ARE, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT EASY.
IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A LOT.
UM, YOU KNOW, ARE WE MAKING ANY ACCOMMODATIONS FOR PARKING FOR A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF PARKING FOR DELIVERIES AND ANCILLARY USES OF SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES? YEAH.
UM, I CAN LET THE DIRECTOR SPEAK TO THAT.
SO THE LOADING, THE REQUIRED LOADING WILL STILL BE PROVIDED FOR, FOR, FOR THESE PROJECTS.
THERE'S NO WAIVER OF THE LOADING SPACES.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A PROVISION THAT, UM, THE DELIVERIES OR GUEST PARKING CAN BE ACCOMMODATED TO MATCH THE LOADING ZONE REQUIREMENT.
UM, AND THERE IS A ALLOWABLE, UM, IF THE DEVELOPER SHALL CHOOSE, THERE'S NO PARKING REQUIREMENT, BUT THE DEVELOPER MAY CHOOSE TO INTRODUCE A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF PARKING IF DESIRED.
UM, BUT THERE, THERE WOULD BE NO PARKING FOR THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
THERE IS THE ROBUST MICRO MOBILITY COMPONENT.
THE IDEA IS, AND THIS IS A NEW CONCEPT, BUT LISTEN, I'M, I'M AROUND THE CITY ALL THE TIME AND I SEE MICRO
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MOBILITY MORE AND MORE.SO THAT WOULD BE THE CONCEPT OF THIS TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
BUT FOR WORKERS AND FOR, FOR DELIVERIES, THERE WOULD BE REQUIRED AREAS.
ONE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALSO, IT'S NOT JUST FOR DELIVERIES, BUT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SERVICING THE APARTMENTS, PLUMBERS AND ELECTRICIANS AND WHATEVER, THERE'S A PLACE FOR THEM TO PARK IN THE BUILDING.
AND, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NO MORE THAN A HUNDRED FEET AND NO MORE FAR THAN 4.0 MAX THAT IS THE CURRENTLY DRAFTED.
SO INCLUDING ANY TDR, INCLUDING ANY TDR R BUT THAT IS THE, THE, THE MAXIMUM.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT THIS TURNING INTO BRICKLE, THAT IS CLEARLY NOT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED NOR MISCHARACTERIZATION A WILD MISCHARACTERIZATION OF, OF WHAT WE'RE IMAGINING.
AND ALSO THE LIKELIHOOD THAT EVERY SINGLE BUILDING ALONG WASHINGTON AVENUE IS GOING TO CHANGE IS UNREALISTIC.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS TO GET THIS SORT OF CORRELATED VARIABLE SKYLINE SO THAT YOU HAVE SOME THAT ARE A HUNDRED AND SOME STAY WHERE THEY ARE.
AND YOU KNOW, THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, TO RE INCENTIVIZE OR TO INCENTIVIZE, UM, REHABILITATION OF OLDER BUILDINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL INVEST IN SOME OF THE STOCK THAT'S THERE WITHOUT, UM, KNOCKING DOWN AND BUILDING NEW.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, IT, IT PAINS ME TO GIVE MORE HEIGHT AND MORE DENSITY, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY WAY FORWARD OTHER THAN TO TRYING THIS.
AND THIS IS NOT A CITYWIDE PROPOSAL.
IT IS ON ONE OF OUR MOST CHALLENGING CORRIDORS, WHICH CAN BE, UM, THE POSTER CHILD FOR URBAN TRANSFORMATION.
AND SO LET ME JUST ASK OUR STAFF SOME, SOME QUESTIONS BECAUSE A SIMILAR ITEM A FEW YEARS BACK WAS DONE IN TERMS OF HOTELS.
UH, IS THAT CORRECT, MADAM DIRECTOR? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND SO WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THAT WAS THAT EVEN THOUGH WE PUT A SIMILAR INCENTIVE OUT THERE FOR HOTELS A NUMBER OF YEARS BACK, WE ENDED UP MAYBE WITH TWO THAT ACTUALLY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THIS.
WE HAD, UH, THREE APPLICATIONS, THREE APPLICATIONS, TWO WERE ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED.
APPLIC TWO WERE ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED.
AND THAT WAS FOR ALL OF WASHINGTON? YES.
SO FOR ALL OF WASHINGTON, WE HAD A SIMILAR APPLICATION AND, AND IT ONLY LED TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SIMILAR PRO LEGISLATIVE PROPOSAL THAT GOT ADOPTED.
UH, AND IT LED ONLY TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF TWO HOTELS.
AND SO I JUST WANT US TO BE AWARE OF THE FEARMONGERING THAT GOES OUT.
THERE ARE THE MISCHARACTERIZATIONS THAT GET PUT OUT THERE BECAUSE IT IS A STYLE OF POLITICS THAT SELLS.
IT IS A, A STYLE OF POLITICS THAT FUEL FEAR IN THE COMMUNITY THAT CAPTURES ATTENTION, THAT IS EXPEDIENT AND POPULIST, AND THAT WORKS AGAINST THE PROGRESS OF OUR CITY AND RESPONSIBLY ADDRESSING THE PERILS AND THE CHALLENGES THAT WE WERE ELECTED AS A BODY TO COME TOGETHER AND MAKE THE DIFFICULT DECISIONS FOR THE GOOD OF MIAMI BEACH TO PROTECT MIAMI BEACH FROM CONTINUING TO HAVE A DECLINING ECONOMY AND A DECA DE DECLINING, UH, POPULATION COUNTS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE GOT ELECTED TO DO.
AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE WILL PASS POLICY LIKE THIS, WE'RE DOING IT IN A MEASURED WAY THAT PROTECTS THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY.
PERHAPS OTHERS WOULDN'T BE AS MEASURED IN PUTTING FORWARD THIS TYPE OF POLICY.
OTHERS PERHAPS MIGHT TRY TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE, BUT WE ARE TAKING A MUCH MORE MEASURED APPROACH, UM, THAT, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT HOPEFULLY, UM, IMPROVES AN AREA OF OUR CITY THAT RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN ONE OF THE BIGGEST BLIGHTS THAT WE HAVE IN SOUTH BEACH.
AND THAT WHENEVER WE ARE ON THE NEWS FOR SOMETHING NEGATIVE, A STABBING OR A SHOOTING OR A RAPE, UM, IT, IT'S USUALLY HAPPENING IN THIS CORRIDOR.
AND SO, AND, AND SO THIS, YOU KNOW, MOVES US IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE NEED TO BE HOPEFULLY MOVING INTO ADDRESS THESE CHALLENGES.
COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ, UH, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS THAT I HADN'T ASKED DURING MY BRIEFING.
I KNOW THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT ON THURSDAY THERE'S RESIDENT OUTREACH ON ZOOM.
UM, SO THAT'S NOVEMBER 7TH, SO THAT THEY CAN GIVE INPUT.
I AM A LITTLE BIT WORRIED THAT THIS IS SWEEPING CHANGE FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT NO ONE'S ASKING FOR, BUT I DO ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE REALITIES OF HAVING EVERY SINGLE, UH, BUILDING BUILT ARE VERY RARE.
IS THERE A SUNSET PROVISION? UM, YES, THERE IS.
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LET ME, ME, LET ME DOUBLE CHECK THEAND SO, AND, AND SO THE LIKELIHOOD THAT EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY ON WASHINGTON AVENUE TAKES ADVANTAGE OF OF THIS WE GO BASE OF HISTORY IS VERY UNLIKELY.
LAST TIME, ONLY TWO TOOK ADVANTAGE OF IT.
AND SO, AND, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UH, WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND.
AND IF THROUGH THESE INCENTIVES WE CAN TRANSITION OUT, HELP TRANSITION OUT SOME OF THE NIGHTCLUB THAT HAVE BEEN CAUSING PROBLEMS IN OUR CITY, UH, IT, IT, IT WILL BE GOOD.
I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS 'CAUSE WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
UM, JUST HAVING HEARD SOME OF THE RHETORIC OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, I THINK PERHAPS THIS, THIS BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE NARROW, UM, WILL GET US TO THE FINISH LINE.
BUT, UH, BUT, BUT WITH ME, I, I, I THINK IT IS, UH, IT, IT DOES TAKE US WHERE WE NEED TO GO.
UM, WILL THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALSO INCLUDE THIS, YOU SAID ALL OF SOUTH BEACH, SO YEAH.
YES, IT DOES WELL THROUGH THE CHAIR.
IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY ONE THING.
THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS ON IS CURRENTLY IN A DIFFERENT TRACK.
THIS ITEM AS COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ, UM, HAD NOTED, UM, THERE IS A PUBLIC WORKSHOP THIS THURSDAY EVENING THAT'S ON ZOOM.
THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN HEARD BY THE PLANNING BOARD AT, AT ONE HEARING THE PLANNING BOARD.
THE PLANNING BOARD DID ENDORSE THE CURRENT PROPOSAL.
AND THE IDEA IS THAT ON THURSDAY WE WILL HAVE THE REQUIRED PUBLIC WORKSHOP, AND THIS WILL GO BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR FORMAL REVIEW AT THEIR NOVEMBER 27TH MEETING.
AT THAT MEETING, WE CAN GIVE THIS COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THAT 0.5.
UM, BUT SO THIS IS MOVING IN A FASTER TRACK TRACK, THE 0.5, I'M SORRY, THE, THE, THE TDR POINT.
SO IT WOULD BE, BUT AGAIN, I WANT US TO BE OPEN-MINDED.
I DON'T WANT TO TELL THE PLANNING BOARD THAT IT'S 0.5 OR WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
I, I AND, AND I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOW REVERTING TO THAT AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM.
UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S BEING SUGGESTED BY STAFF THAT WE HAVEN'T DEVELOPED THE TDR PROGRAM? THAT'S WHAT I HEARD FROM, FROM WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE FROM THE COMMITTEE THAT IT WAS, I I WANNA BE OPEN-MINDED.
I DON'T WANNA LEAD THE PLANNING BOARD WITH A NUMBER.
I WANNA KNOW, I WANNA KNOW IF THE PLANNING BOARD FEELS TDRS ARE APPROPRIATE AND IF THEY DO FEEL THAT THEY ARE APPROPRIATE AND THE DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT FAR INCREASES, HOW MUCH THEY FEEL SHOULD BE TDR, HOW MUCH THEY FEEL SHOULD BE AS OF RIGHT.
BUT WITH THE CAP OF THE 4.0, THE CAP, RIGHT? OF COURSE.
WHAT I SAW THAT THERE ARE, THAT THERE'S A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE AND UNIT SIZES IN THIS LEGISLATION.
WELL, UH, WELL, THERE ALREADY IS A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IT'S NOT IN THIS YEAH, I SAW THAT LEGISLATION.
IT'S, IT'S, BUT IT WAS INCORPORATED.
I THOUGHT I SAW LANGUAGE THAT INCORPORATED A MINIMUM UNITIZED INTO IT.
WE, WE UPDATED THE ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE THE MINIMUM 500 SQUARE FEET.
500 SQUARE FEET, AND THERE'S A MAXIMUM ALSO OF 1200 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE INTENT OF THE MAXIMUM, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER IS THE, THE INTENT OF THE MAXIMUM WAS TO LIMIT ULTRA LUXURY RESIDENTIAL.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSIONS, I THINK ON THE DAY OF OUR COMMISSION MEETING WHERE WE WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY TO LARGER FAMILIES.
UM, AND I'M OKAY WITH INCREASING THAT TO PERHAPS 2000, UH, SQUARE FEET.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS, BECAUSE I DO, I I DO THINK WE DO NEED HOUSING FOR FAMILIES IN OUR CITY.
THAT IS A BIG, BIG LACK OF, OF, OF INVENTORY THAT WE HAVE IF WE DO THAT.
UM, AND EVEN UNDER THE CURRENT POLICY, I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO, UH, TO HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF UNITS FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT I CALL THE FORGOTTEN MIDDLE.
AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS, UH, PUBLICLY IN, IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, THE FORGOTTEN MIDDLE.
YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE, UH, HOUSEHOLDS OF TWO PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, EACH ONE MIGHT BE MAKING 70,000, AND PEOPLE DON'T THINK OF THEM AS PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING DIFFICULTIES FINDING HOUSING IN THIS CITY, BUT THEY ARE, THEY ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE DIFFICULTIES FINDING HOUSING IN THIS CITY, AND THEY COULD BE CONTRIBUTING TO OUR ECONOMY, BUT THEY'RE MOVING OFF THE BEACH, UH, TO FIND ESPECIALLY NEW INVENTORY THAT THEY CAN AFFORD OFF THE BEACH.
AND, UH, AND, AND I THINK THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT
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RANGE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BETWEEN ONE 20 AND ONE 60, UH, THAT NO ONE THINKS ABOUT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT THE LUXURY MARKET AND THEY'RE NOT THE WORKFORCE MARKET, BUT THEY'RE THE MARKET OF YOUNG PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE BEING PUSHED OUT OF OUR CITY.UH, AND I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO SEE HOW WE COULD HAVE A SET ASIDE OF UNITS, UH, FOR THAT POPULATION AS PART OF THIS POLICY.
AND AS PART OF THE IDEA ALSO OF LIVE BETTER IN THE FUTURE IS, YOU KNOW, HAVING A BROAD POLICY OF, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FAR INCREASES, THAT FUTURE FAR INCREASES BE TIED TO A SETASIDE FOR, UM, FOR THE REALLY LOW POPULATION THAT IS MAKING VERY LITTLE INCOME, BUT ALSO FOR THAT FORGOTTEN MIDDLE, UH, RANGE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE IT AS PART OF THIS, BECAUSE WE ARE DEVELOPING HERE, POTENTIALLY IF ALL OF THIS GETS USED, IF ALL OF THE ZONING GETS, GETS USED, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S VERY DOUBTFUL THAT ALL OF THE ZONING GETS USED, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY 2,400 NEW RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UH, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING, HOW DO WE CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE FORGOTTEN MIDDLE, THIS 2,400 AND THESE 2,400 RESIDENTIAL UNITS? UM, AND I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF THIS.
AND, AND JUST, JUST AS CAVEAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU INCREASE THE MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE, YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE LESS RESIDENTIAL UNITS, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF AREA THAT YOU CAN BUILD.
I, I, MY LEGISLATION, I DIDN'T WANT TO GET TOO IN DETAILED WITH, WITH A MI, YOU KNOW, LIVE LOCAL DOES A LOT OF THAT.
I WANTED TO BE AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS POSSIBLE.
IN MY OPINION, THE BEST WAY TO REALLY LIMIT LUXURY DEVELOPMENT AND HAVE SOMETHING MORE ATTAINABLE IS THE LACK.
YOU DON'T OFFER A PARKING SPOT, A DEDICATED DEEDED PARKING SPOT, AND YOU CAN ONLY BUILD TO A CERTAIN SIZE.
UM, AND BECAUSE IN REALITY, YOU CAN'T SELL A LUXURY UNIT WITHOUT A PARKING SPOT AND, AND, AND LESS THAN 1200 SQUARE FEET.
SO, UM, AND EVEN, EVEN WITH WATERVIEW, SO, UM, JUST REMEMBER WITH LIVE LOCAL, LIVE LOCAL ONLY LOOKS AT UP TO 1:20 AM I AND, AND WITH LIVE LOCAL, THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS THAT THAT POPULATION, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THAT POPULATION THAT ARE CHALLENGING IN THAT, THAT ARE BEING CHALLENGED IN OUR CITY.
UM, AND NO ONE IS, UM, NO ONE IS THINKING ABOUT THEM.
NO ONE IS, IS ADDRESSING THEIR, THEIR HOUSING NEEDS.
I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT LIMITING THE UNIT SIZES IS GONNA GET US, GET US THAT, BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THE MARKET IS GOING TO DICTATE.
IF THIS IS SUCCESSFUL, AND WE SEE THE TRANSFORMATION, UH, THAT WE HOPE TO SEE ON WASHINGTON AVENUE AND ON LINCOLN ROAD, YOU NEVER KNOW, EVEN ON A 1000 SQUARE FOOT UNIT, A 700 SQUARE FOOT UNIT, THEY'RE SMALL UNITS, BUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE COULD BE LUXURY.
UH, A LUXURY PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHERE IF WE COULD INCORPORATE THE SET ASIDE OF UNITS FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO MAKE UP TO A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE A MI, THAT INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, THE WORKFORCE, UH, MARKET.
AND THAT INCLUDES THE FORGOTTEN MIDDLE.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU SET THAT CAP, YOU'RE BEING INCLUSIVE OF EVERYONE BELOW, BUT YOU'RE ALSO BEING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING BEYOND WHAT GOVERNMENT HAS USUALLY LOOKED, LOOKED AT.
AND WE'VE LOOKED AT AFFORDABLE MARKETS, WE'VE LOOKED AT WORKFORCE.
WE'VE NEVER LOOKED BEYOND THE WORKFORCE.
AND THOSE ARE REAL PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO TODAY ARE ONE, ONE PAYCHECK AWAY FROM BEING PRICED OUT OF MIAMI BEACH INTO DOWNTOWN, INTO LITTLE HAVANA, INTO OTHER AREAS.
AND IT, IT WOULD BE REALLY GROUNDBREAKING LEGISLATION THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME WE'RE LOOKING AT ACTUALLY THE AVERAGE RESIDENT OF MIAMI BEACH.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO, WHO, WHO LIVE IN, IN OUR CITY THAT ARE LEAVING OUR OUR CITY IS THIS MARKET.
I, I'M, I'M TOTALLY OKAY WITH PERHAPS REMOVING THE MAXIMUM REQUIREMENT AND HAVING A SET ASIDE FOR A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE ON A MI.
AND PERHAPS, UH, PER, PERHAPS, UM, THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD CAN GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK AS TO WHAT AMOUNTS, UM, COULD BE, UH, INCORPORATED.
WHAT, WHAT SHOULD BE THE SET ASIDE? HOW MANY UNITS? I THINK WE SHOULD BE GOING UP TO ONE 60 OF A MI.
'CAUSE IF WITH ONE 60 OF A MI, YOU MAY HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING ABOUT
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70,000, UH, IN, IN SALARY AND THEY'RE WITHIN THAT YOU CAN HAVE TWO TEACHERS, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN A HOUSEHOLD MAKING, YOU KNOW, AND TEACHERS UNFORTUNATELY DON'T EVEN MAKE 70,000, BUT PEOPLE WITH A 70,000 SALARY ARE STILL STRUGGLING IN OUR CITY.WE, WE CAN LET THE PLANNING BOARD SUGGEST.
UM, IT, THIS MAY HAVE ALREADY COME UP, UM, AND IT MAY ALREADY BE INCLUDED, BUT, UM, A COVENANT TO ENSURE THIS DOESN'T, IF SOMEBODY DOES THIS PROJECT THAT DOESN'T TURN INTO A HOTEL, I THINK IT'S IN THE COVENANT SECTION OF THE LEGISLATION, AND THEY'VE INCORPORATED LANGUAGE THAT IF A FUTURE COMMISSION EVER WISHES TO REVERT THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE A SIXTH, SEVENTH VOTE OF THE MIAMI BEACH CITY COMMISSION.
AND THAT'S LANGUAGE THAT, UH, THAT, THAT THE CHAIRMAN HAS IS GOING TO BE SPONSORING ON AN UPCOMING COMMISSION AGENDA.
SO I THINK THE PLANNING DIRECTOR HAS STARTED TO INCLUDE IT, UM, SINCE THESE ARE MOVING FORWARD, BEFORE THAT NEW ITEM IS COMING.
BUT IT'S GOOD THAT WE'RE STARTING IT WITH COMMISSIONER SCHWARZ'S LEGISLATION.
UH, IS THERE, ARE THERE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PRESENT WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM ON ZOOM? I DON'T SEE ANYONE WITH THEIR HANDS, UH, RAISED ON ZOOM.
UM, AND THE PUBLIC, NO ONE'S APPROACHING THE PODIUM.
IS THERE A MOTION ON THE ITEM? I'LL MOVE IT.
IT'S BEEN, UH, MOVED, UH, BY MOVE IT AS AMENDED WITH THE, UH, THE, I MEAN, WE DISCUSSED A LOT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE, THE CAP ON MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE SETTING ASIDE FOR AN AN A MI WITH THE SUGGESTION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, WHAT OTHER SUGGESTIONS THAT WE HAVE, THE TDR, THE P, THE, THE INTRODUCTION OF A-A-T-D-R FOR A PORTION YEP.
SO THE ITEM HAS BEEN MOVED AS AMENDED.
IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY THE CHAIR.
UM, COMMISSIONER WITH THE INCLUSION OF THOSE PROVISIONS, I WOULD LOVE TO JOIN YOU, UH, AND COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE AS, UH, AS THE SPONSOR OF THE, OF THE ITEM.
WHAT ARE WE CALLING THIS, UH, WARP.
WASHINGTON AVENUE RESIDENTIAL PLAN.
YOU GOT ANY IDEAS? BY, BY ACCLIMATION.
LET'S, UH, LET'S, THE SHOULDERS ADOPTED.
[5. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADOPTING A “LIVE BETTER” PROGRAM, INCLUDING ZONING AND OTHER INCENTIVES, TO PROMOTE ATTAINABLE HOUSING SOLUTIONS IN MIAMI BEACH FOR MIDDLE-INCOME INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES.]
I'M GONNA LEAVE THE LAST ITEM FOR OUR NEXT, UH, MEETING BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S, I COMMISSIONING NEEDS TO LEAVE AND I, WE ALL NEED HAVE PLACES WE NEED TO GET TO BECAUSE IT IS ELECTION DAY.DID EVERYONE VOTE? I THINK UNTIL SEVEN.
AND WE HAVE, SHE'S STILL MAKING UP HER MIND.
UH, COLLEAGUES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TEAMWORK.
I'M GLAD I'M SO PROUD BY THE ROBUST DISCUSSION THIS COMMITTEE HAS HAD AND THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH VERY TRANSFORMATIVE POLICY IN SUCH A RESPONSIBLE MANNER.
UH, NOW NOTWITHSTANDING THE CRITICISM WE'LL GET FORWARD, BUT IT IS MOVING MIAMI BEACH IN A MUCH BETTER DIRECTION.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COLLABORATION.
LISTEN, IF IT WERE EASY, IT WOULD'VE BEEN DONE A LONG TIME AGO.
AND TO STAFF, UH, MR. DIRECTOR, UH, MADAM, MADAM, DIRECTOR, AND NICK, THANK YOU FOR, FOR YOUR SUPPORT.