Dec 17, 2024 Historic Preservation Board

AND FOR THOSE MEMBERS, OR FOR THOSE ATTENDEES THAT ARE APPEARING VIRTUALLY, I'LL SWEAR YOU IN ONE BY ONE, UH, BEFORE YOU ADDRESS THE BOARD, AND THANK YOU.

THANK YOU,

[1. November 12, 2024 meeting ]

STEVEN.

UH, MR. CHAIR, THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS THIS MORNING IS THE APPROVAL OF THE NOVEMBER 12TH, 2024 MEETING MINUTES.

UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EDITS OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? SECOND.

UM, THE FIRST APPLICATION ON THE AGENDA THIS MORNING IS HPB 24 0 6 9 3.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THAT WAS APPROVED.

[ HPB24-0639, 833 6th Street – Possible Designation of an Historic Site.]

UM, THIS IS FOR 8 33 SIXTH STREET, COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER.

UM, THIS IS A POSSIBLE DESIGNATION OF A HISTORIC SITE, A PRESENTATION, UM, BY THE CITY'S PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD OF A PRELIMINARY EVALUATION AND RECOMMENDATION REPORT RELATIVE TO THE POSSIBLE DESIGNATION OF THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER, LOCATED AT 8 33 SIXTH STREET AS A LOCAL HISTORIC SITE.

UM, JUST BRIEFLY, WE, WE HAVE MORE DETAILED BACKGROUND IN THE REPORT,

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BUT ON, UH, SEPTEMBER 11TH OF THIS YEAR, THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION, UH, VOTED TO INITIATE THE DESIGNATION PROCESS.

UM, FOR ANYONE WHO'S LISTENING OR WHO MAY NOT HAVE THIS INFORMATION, THE DESIGNATION PROCESS IS ACTUALLY QUITE LENGTHY WITHIN THE CITY.

UM, THE FIRST STEP IS THE INITIATION OF THE REQUEST.

UH, THE CITY COMMISSION IS ONE OF THE ELIGIBLE PARTIES TO, TO MAKE SUCH A REQUEST.

UM, AND THEN WE ARE NOW ON THE SECOND STEP.

THE SECOND STEP IS TO PRESENT A PRELIMINARY EVALUATION.

SO STAFF'S INITIAL FINDINGS TO THE BOARD REGARDING, UH, WHETHER OR NOT WE BELIEVE THIS BUILDING MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR AN INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC SITE.

UM, IF THE BOARD DURING THIS MEETING, UH, DETERMINES THAT IT DOES MEET THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS, THEN STAFF WOULD BE DIRECTED BY THIS BOARD TO PREPARE A FORMAL DESIGNATION REPORT.

THAT FORMAL DESIGNATION REPORT WILL BE MORE DETAILED, UM, AND WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD AT A LATER DATE.

THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, IS THAT, THAT THAT DESIGNATION REPORT BE TRANSMITTED TO THIS BOARD NO GREATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER, UM, ANY DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD THAT WE RECEIVE TODAY.

UM, STAFF WILL THEN PRESENT THE DESIGNATION REPORT THAT THE BOARD, UH, AT THAT POINT WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO BOTH THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE CITY COMMISSION, WHETHER OR NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGNATION.

UM, THIS WOULD ALSO BE THEN REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AS A ZONING MAP CHANGE TO DESIGNATE THE HISTORIC SITE.

THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION, AND THEN ULTIMATELY IT WOULD GO TWICE TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION FIRST READING AND SECOND READING.

UM, THE SECOND READING WOULD BE THE FORMAL ADOPTION OF THIS AS A HISTORIC SITE.

SO IT IS QUITE A LENGTHY PROCESS.

UM, THIS IS THE FIRST SIGNIFICANT STEP IN, IN OUR REVIEW.

UM, AND JUST THE REPORT IS, IS MORE DETAILED.

UM, BUT I'M GONNA GIVE A BRIEF SUMMARY.

UM, THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER WAS BUILT BY THE CITY.

IT'S CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH, UM, IN BETWEEN 1970 AND 1974.

SO ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, UM, IT WAS CONSTRUCTED WAS DURING THE 1960S, WE HAD A SIGNIFICANTLY GROWING ELDERLY POPULATION, UM, WITH THE CITY, RECOGNIZED THAT AND ACTUALLY RECEIVED A GRANT FROM HUD, UM, TO CONSTRUCT A COMMUNITY CENTER, UM, PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON SENIORS.

SO IN 1968, THE CITY COMMISSION SELECTED A CITY OWNED PARKING LOT AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SIXTH STREET AND MERIDIAN AVENUE, AND ACTUALLY PURCHASED FOUR ADJACENT LOTS FOR THE PROJECT.

UM, IN 1969, MORRIS LAPIDUS AND ASSOCIATES WAS SELECTED AS THE PROJECT ARCHITECT.

UM, AND IN SEPTEMBER OF THAT YEAR, THE CITY HAD A GROUNDBREAKING.

HOWEVER, IT WAS NOT UNTIL 1970 THAT CONSTRUCTION BIDS WERE RECEIVED AND THE FUNDINGS BECAME AVAILABLE FOR, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT.

UM, DURING THE CONSTRUCTION, THE WESTERN WING OF THE BUILDING WAS ACTUALLY OMITTED DUE TO A LACK OF FUNDING FOR THAT PORTION OF THE PROJECT.

UM, AND THE REMAINING PORTION WAS COMPLETED IN 1971.

I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, IN 1970.

IN 1971, THE CITY WAS ABLE TO ALLOCATE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WEST AUDITORIUM WING, UM, WHICH WAS COMPLETED IN 1975.

THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER IS HIGHLY CHARACTERISTIC OF THE BRUTALIST STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE.

UM, THE PLAN HAS THREE PARTS.

IT HAS A SYMMETRICAL, TWO STORY CENTRAL VOLUME THAT CONTAINS, UH, OFFICES AT THE GROUND LEVEL AND ACTIVITY ROOMS AT THE SECOND LEVEL.

A ONE STORY AUDITORIUM WING IS LOCATED TO THE WEST AND A ONE STORY RECREATION WING TO THE EAST, UH, COVERED WALKWAYS FROM SIXTH STREET LEAD TO A CONCOURSE THROUGH WHICH ALL AREAS OF THE BUILDING CAN BE ACCESSED.

AND AN EXTERIOR MONUMENTAL STAIR LEADS TO THE SECOND LEVEL.

UM, BELOW THE STAIR IS A MULTI-LEVEL WATER FEATURE.

THAT WATER FEATURE IS NOT OPERATIONAL AT THIS POINT.

UM, AND IT IS SURROUNDED BY BUILT-IN PLANNERS, THE ORIGINAL LOCATION, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF THE BUILDING INCORPORATED, UH, DISTINCTIVE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND FINISHES.

UM, AND THIS, YOU KNOW, IS, IS ONE OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT FEATURES ARCHITECTURALLY OF THE BUILDING WITH ITS ROUGH, UH, BOARD FORM CONCRETE FINISH, A SMOOTH CONCRETE FINISH, EXPOSED CONCRETE BLOCKS, UM, ALL IN A STACKED BOND WITH RAKE JOINTS.

UM, SO AGAIN, ALL OF THESE FEATURES ARE, ARE SIGNIFICANTLY,

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UM, CHARACTERISTICS OF THE BRUTALIST STYLE.

NOW, WITH REGARD TO THE ORDINANCE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION, UM, STAFF HAS FOUND THAT FOUR OF THE CRITERIA WE BELIEVE ARE EITHER SATISFIED OR PARTIALLY SATISFIED.

UM, ONE ASSOCIATION WITH EVENTS THAT HAVE MADE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE HISTORY OF THE CITY, THE COUNTY STATE ORDINATION.

UM, WE BELIEVE THIS IS DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE URBAN RENEWAL POLICIES OF THE, OF THE LATE 1940S IN WHICH FEDERAL GRANT PROGRAMS, FEDERAL PROGRAMS PROVIDED GRANTS TO MUNICIPALITIES.

UM, IT DOES EMBODY A DISTINCTIVE CHARACTERISTIC OF A HISTORICAL PERIOD.

IT IS HIGHLY INDICATIVE OF THE BRUTALIST STYLE.

AND, AND WHAT MAKES IT UNIQUE IS IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A HUMAN SCALE BRUTALIST BUILDING.

UM, A LOT OF BRUTALIST BUILDINGS THAT WE SEE THROUGHOUT MIAMI-DADE COUNTY AT LEAST, ARE MORE MONUMENTAL IN SCALE.

AND THIS IS, THIS IS MORE AT A HUMAN SCALE.

UM, WE BELIEVE IT POSSESSES, OR AT LEAST ORIGINALLY POSSESSED HIGH ARTISTIC, UH, VALUES.

UM, HOWEVER, WE HAVE NOTED IN OUR REPORT THAT SIGNIFICANT AND DISTINCTIVE FEATURES OF THE THE BUILDING, UM, INCLUDING THE EXPOSED CONCRETE AND RELATED FINISHES, HAVE BEEN SEVERELY COMPROMISED.

UH, THEY HAVE BEEN PAINTED OVER AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

WE ARE NOT SURE IF THAT PAINT COULD BE REMOVED.

UM, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT IT COULD BE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

UM, AND FINALLY, WE BELIEVE THAT IT DOES REPRESENT THE WORK OF A MASTER, UM, SERVE AS AN OUTSTANDING OR REPRESENTATIVE WORK OF A MASTER DESIGNER, ARCHITECT, OR BUILDER.

UM, THIS BUILDING, AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, WAS DESIGNED BY MORRIS LAPIDUS.

UH, MORRIS LAPIDUS IS, UM, ONE OF OUR MOST CELEBRATED ARCHITECTS IN THE CITY.

UH, HAS MANY BUILDINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY WITHIN LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS AS CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS, AS WELL AS BUILDINGS THAT ARE, THAT IS A TEST FOR EVERYONE BASICALLY.

UM, INCLUDING BUILDINGS THAT ARE, ARE LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES AS INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC SITES, MOST NOTABLY THE FONT BLUE HOTEL.

UM, ONE OF THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS FOR DESIGNATION, UH, IS THAT A BUILDING STRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT OR LANDSCAPE FEATURE MAY BE DESIGNATED EVEN IF IT HAS BEEN ALTERED, IF THE ALTERATION IS REVERSIBLE.

AND THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, UM, REMAIN INTACT AND REPAIRABLE.

WE BELIEVE THIS IS PARTIALLY SATISFIED.

UM, THE COMMUNITY CENTER DOES RETAIN SOME DEGREE OF ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY.

HOWEVER, AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED, THERE HAVE BEEN, UM, SOME PRETTY SEVERE ALTERATIONS INCLUDING THE, THE PAINTING OF ALL OF THE EXPOSED CONCRETE, AS WELL AS THE ENCLOSURE OF THAT UPPER LEVEL.

ACTUALLY HAVE AN INDI, UH, A SEPARATE HISTORIC DISTRICT NAMED AFTER MORRIS LAPIDUS BETWEEN, UH, 43RD AND 53RD STREET ON COLLINS AVENUE.

SO THAT OPEN LEVEL, UM, WHICH WE HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH, I THINK THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH HERE, UM, ON THE, ON PAGE SIX, UM, THAT KIND OF OPEN BREEZEWAY LEVEL HAS ALL BEEN ENCLOSED.

UM, THERE'S ALSO BEEN, YOU KNOW, SOME SECURING OF THE SITE AND SOME ENCLOSURES AT THE GROUND LEVEL.

UM, FINALLY, WE ARE REQUIRED TO REVIEW ALL HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS IN, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SEA LEVEL RISE CRITERIA.

UM, WE HAVE NOTED THAT THIS BUILDING IS, IS HIGHLY VULNERABLE TO THE IMPACTS OF SEA, SEA LEVEL RISE.

UM, IT IS ONE OF THE LOWEST POINTS, UH, UH, IN FLAMINGO PARK.

UM, MERIDIAN AVENUE HAS A, A ELEVATION AT THIS SIXTH STREET IN MERIDIAN AVENUE OF ABOUT THREE AND GVD.

SO THE SIXTH STREET SIDE IS 2.81, SO THAT'S EVEN LOWER.

AND THE MERIDIAN SIDE IS 3.12.

UM, SO THAT IS A SIGNIFICANTLY LOW ELEVATION EVEN FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH, RIGHT? I MEAN, ALL OF OUR ELEVATIONS ARE LOW, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER, UM, THAN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY.

UM, BASED ON THE, THE SURVEY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO FIND, THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION IS APPROXIMATELY 5.66 AND GVD, WHERE THE REQUIRED BASE FLOOD ELEVATION IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF THE CITY IS EIGHT AND GVD .

UM, SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSAL MAY BE IN CONFLICT WITH SOME NEAR MIDTERM AND LONG TERM EFFORTS TO INCREASE THE RESILIENCY OF THE CITY WITH RESPECT TO SEA LEVEL RISE.

UM, BUT WE'VE ALSO NOTED, UH, THAT THE BUILDING POTENTIALLY COULD BE MODIFIED, UM, INCLUDING BUILDING ELEVATION, UH, TO FURTHER THE CITY'S

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RESILIENCY INITIATIVES.

SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THIS BOARD TO CONSIDER AS PART OF ANY HISTORIC DESIGNATION.

UM, AND, AND WE WANTED TO OUTLINE OUR INITIAL FINDINGS REGARDING THE SEA LEVEL RISE CRITERIA, BUT BASED ON THE EVIDENCE PRE PRESENTED IN THIS, THE, IN THIS PRELIMINARY EVALUATION, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE SITE MEETS THE QUALIFICATIONS AS A HISTORIC SITE.

AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A FORMAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION REPORT FOR THE PROPOSED SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER HISTORIC SITE, WHICH WE WOULD BRING BACK TO YOU, UM, AT A LATER TIME.

THAT'S ALL I HAD, BUT I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THAT'S IT, .

THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU, DEBBIE, THAT THAT WAS REALLY VERY THOROUGH AND, UM, AS WELL AS CONCISE.

SO, 'CAUSE IT'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF HISTORY.

WHAT'S THAT? I HAVE A QUESTION.

UH, OF COURSE, I I, I WILL GO RIGHT DOWN THE LIST.

I'LL START WITH BRIAN WHO SAID HE'LL HAVE A QUESTION.

I'LL GO RIGHT DOWN THIS LINE AND THEN WE'LL FINISH WITH ELIZABETH.

UM, DEBBIE, I JUST THAT THANK YOU FOR THAT, UM, AMAZING SUMMARY OF THE, OF THE HISTORY THERE.

I WANTED TO JUST ASK, IN TERMS OF THIS POSSIBLE DESIGNATION, HOW WOULD, HOW COULD THIS POTENTIALLY AFFECT OTHER BUILDINGS THAT WERE DESIGNED BY LAPIDUS OR, OR OTHERS IN THE CITY? AND MAYBE COULD YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A CONTEXT ABOUT WHEN A DESIGNATION, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS BOARD DECIDES TO MAKE SUCH A DESIGNATION, UM, I GUESS JUST POTENTIAL IMPACTS THAT WE MAY SEE IN THE CITY WITH, WITH OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN A, IN A SIMILAR POSITION, PERHAPS? UM, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, AND WE OUTLINED THE HISTORY.

WE HAD PREVIOUSLY EVALUATED THE BUILDING AS POTENTIALLY A, A CHANGE IN CLASSIFICATION AS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING.

UM, THAT WHEN STAFF EVALUATED THAT HAD MORE, IN OUR OPINION, UH, HAD MORE POTENTIAL IMPLICATIONS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS A BRUTALIST PERIOD BUILDING, WHICH INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, THE 1970S, UP UNTIL THE LATE SEVENTIES.

UH, WE DO HAVE MANY BUILDINGS WITHIN THE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WERE BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES.

A LOT OF THOSE, UM, WHILE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN FULLY EVALUATED, ARE THE MORE TYPICAL HOUSING, UM, MID-RISE BUILDINGS WITH A HUGE PARKING DECK TYPICALLY UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING.

UM, THAT IN, IN STAFF'S OPINION, AREN'T CONTRIBUTING TO THE SENSE OF TIME PLAY IN PLACE OF THE DISTRICT.

SO WE WERE CONCERNED THAT THAT WOULD HAVE GREATER IMPLICATIONS, THAT IF THIS PERIOD BECAME PART OF THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE FOR FLAMINGO PARK, THAT A LOT OF THESE OLDER AND STAFF'S OPINION, NOT ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT BUILDINGS, JUST DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY WERE BUILT DURING THAT SAME PERIOD AND ARE INDICATIVE OF THAT PERIOD, GOOD OR BAD, UM, WOULD NEED TO ALSO BE EVALUATED.

UM, WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE HAVING A SIGNIFICANT UPTICK IN A LOT OF BUILDINGS FROM THE LATE 1960S THROUGH THE, THE LATE 1970S THAT HAD, ARE GOING THROUGH 40 RECERTIFICATIONS THAT HAVE THESE CONCRETE BALCONIES.

UM, AND WE WERE CONCERNED THAT THAT KIND OF CAPTURING ALL OF THOSE BUILDINGS WOULD LEAD TO ISSUES FOR, FOR A LOT OF THOSE, THOSE OLDER CONDO BUILDINGS IN THE FUTURE, WHICH ARE IN, IN WHICH ARE ALSO, AND BY THE MOST PART, NON-CONFORMING BUILDINGS, RIGHT? THEY ARE OUT OF SCALE WITH THE DISTRICT.

THEY'RE OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE DISTRICT.

UM, THERE ARE LARGE EMPHASIS ON PARKING IN TERMS OF THE SITE PLAN IS ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE DISTRICT IN TERMS OF ITS PEDESTRIAN QUALITY AND, AND, AND CHARACTER.

UM, THIS PROPOSAL IS FOR AN INDIVIDUAL SITE DESIGNATION, WHICH IS, IS MORE, UM, SPECIFIC TO THIS PROPERTY ONLY, UM, WHEN STAFF EVALUATED THIS PROPERTY, YES, IT'S A, IT'S A MORRIS LAPIDUS DESIGN BUILDING, AND MORRIS LAPIDUS IS A HIGHLY CELEBRATED ARCHITECT, NOT ONLY IN MIAMI BEACH, BUT REALLY INTERNATIONALLY AT THIS POINT.

BUT IT WAS MORE THAT IT, IT IS A VERY UNIQUE BRUTALIST BUILDING FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.

IT DOES HAVE THAT PEDESTRIAN QUALITY TO IT.

UM, AND I THINK THAT LIMITING IT TO ONE SITE SPECIFICALLY DOES NOT HAVE THE REPERCUSSIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, TO OPEN UP ALL OF THESE, THESE BUILDINGS DURING THIS PERIOD.

UM, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF LAPIDUS BUILDINGS WITHIN OUR LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

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UM, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS AN INDIVIDUAL SITE, IT'S LOOKED ON AS A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

IT'S NOT CAPTURING ALL OF THOSE ALL AT ONCE TO, TO CONSIDER FOR FUTURE DESIGNATION.

IT'S VERY SITE SPECIFIC AND WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ANY FUTURE PROPOSED HISTORIC SITE WOULD BE EVALUATED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

YEAH, THAT, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL.

I WAS ACTUALLY JUST, I MEAN, I LIVE ON BELL ISLE, SO I WAS THINKING LIKE JUST WHAT THE POTENTIAL IMPACT WOULD BE THERE.

'CAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT YOU COULD PERHAPS MAKE THE SAME ARGUMENT.

SO I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT PRECEDENT, AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVING US, UH, THE, THE BACKGROUND ON THAT.

UM, LORD, UH, UH, NO, SORRY, , DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ADD, UH, DEBBIE BY DESIGNATING IT AS A HISTORIC BUILDING, DO WE HAVE TO, DOES IT HAVE TO CONFORM TO THE FLOOD ELEVATION? IT DOES NOT.

IT DOES NOT.

UM, BUT WE HAVE THE SEA LEVEL RISE CRITERIA TO CONSIDER FOR ANY HISTORIC DESIGNATION.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF OUR, OUR BIGGEST CONCERNS ABOUT THIS BUILDING.

AND IT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS.

UM, WHEN WE EVALUATED IT PREVIOUSLY, IT'S VERY LOW.

UM, SIXTH STREET AND MERIDIAN AND JEFFERSON ARE ALSO VERY LOW IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF THE CITY.

UM, BUT IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T PRECLUDE YOU FROM MOVING FORWARD AND ULTIMATELY FOR THE CITY TO DESIGNATE THE BUILDING.

UM, WE DO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF THE TRAJECTORY OF, OF WHAT WATER IS, IS, IS GONNA DO TO, TO OUR CITY IF WE'RE NOT PROACTIVELY RAISING FLOOD PROOFING AND MAKING ALTERATIONS TO NOT ONLY OUR RIGHT OF WAYS, BUT ALSO PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY, IN THIS CASE, GOVERNMENT OWNED PROPERTY, UM, WE'LL LIKELY NEED SOME MODIFICATIONS, UM, IN THIS CASE, PROBABLY SOME SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS TO THEIR GROUND LEVEL, UM, IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE RESILIENT.

HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED AT ALL AS TO WHAT THE MODIFICATIONS WILL BE? SHOULD WE HAVE TO WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT YET.

UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BE QUITE FRANK WITH YOU, STAFF IS NOT IN A PROFESSIONAL POSITION TO, TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE HAP WHAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN.

UM, IT'S A VERY COSTLY PROPOSITION.

I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO AND A HALF FEET.

IT'S, IT IS SIGNIFICANT.

THERE, THERE POTENTIALLY COULD BE THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE.

UM, ENDEAVOR OR EVEN OTHER, JUST TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF HASKELL'S POINT, EVEN OTHER EXAMPLES OF OTHER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE HAD A SIMILAR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TWO AND A HALF FEET AND WHAT SOLUTIONS THERE WERE THERE.

AND IF YOU COULD JUST MAYBE, IS THERE ANY BACKGROUND ON THAT? OF, OF, I MEAN, WE, THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, RECENT BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED IN THE PAST THAT WE CAN AT LEAST HAVE IN OUR MIND, WE HAVE SEEN STRUCTURES THAT WERE ACTUALLY ELEVATED, UM, STRUCTURALLY, THIS IS PROBABLY MR. MEYER, PROBABLY NO BETTER THAN ME.

UM, MORE UNIQUE.

WE'VE SEEN, UM, SOME BUILDINGS FROM THE 1920S, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH PROBABLY HAVE VERY DIFFERENT STRUCTURAL SYSTEMS THAN THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING, UM, BE RAISED, UM, THE FACT, AND MOST OF THOSE HAVE BEEN RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS OR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

UM, THE FACT THAT THIS IS A NON-RESIDENTIAL USE MAY BE BENEFICIAL.

MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST AS A LAY PERSON'S OBSERVATIONS, MAYBE THE GROUND FLOOR COULD BE OPENED UP.

MAYBE THE GROUND FLOOR DOESN'T NEED TO CONTAIN SPACE, UM, THAT, THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE ACTIVELY USING OR ANY SORT OF CRITICAL ELECTRICAL OR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.

MAYBE IT COULD BE WET FLOOD PROOFED AND OPENED FOR THE WATER.

UM, THE AREA AROUND THE SITE, INCLUDING THE SIDEWALK AND THE STREETS, MAY, MAY HAVE TO COME UP.

UM, CURRENTLY THE FUTURE, THE FUTURE CROWN OF ROAD FOR THIS AREA IN SIDEWALK WOULD LIKELY BE HIGHER THAN THE BUILDING SITE.

SO IT, IT WOULD CREATE SOME, SOME COMPLICATIONS.

UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY, UM, RAISED 11TH STREET, UM, JUST NORTH OF THE, OF, OF THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THAT SOME OF THE, THE SIDEWALK AND IS IS ABOVE A FEW OF THE BUILDINGS AND YOU ACTUALLY STEP DOWN INTO BUILDINGS.

THOSE ARE ACTUALLY RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS MAKING IT EVEN MORE CHALLENGING.

UM, BUT

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IT'S JUST, UM, LIKELY THAT ALTERATIONS ARE GONNA NEED TO OCCUR TO RAISE THE BUILDING, I DON'T THINK WOULD BE COST EFFECTIVE AT ALL.

I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A STRUCTURE THAT WASN'T DESIGNED THAT WAY.

UH, AND TO YOUR SECOND POINT TO, UH, ABANDON THE GROUND FLOOR, WE'D BE LOSING ALL THAT FLOOR SPACE ESSENTIALLY, RIGHT.

FOR USE.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO ME, THIS WHOLE THING IS TIED TOGETHER.

I THINK THERE WAS CONVERSATION EARLIER ABOUT THE FIRE STATION BEING RELOCATED THERE, UH, THE ONE THAT'S ON JEFFERSON, I THINK.

RIGHT? AND NOW THERE'S CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS FIRE STATION BEING MOVED OVER TO FLAMINGO PARK, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY OUTRAGEOUS TO BE FRANK WITH YOU.

YOU KNOW, FLAMINGO PARK HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.

IT'S GOT A STORIED HISTORY THAT TRACK, AND TO ENCLOSE IT WITH A FIRE STATION, I DON'T THINK THE TWO ARE COMPATIBLE.

SO I WANTED TO JUST DIGRESS A LITTLE BIT AND ASK YOU ABOUT WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THAT FIRE STATION ON JEFFERSON, BECAUSE ALL THESE COMPONENTS ARE LINKED.

WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DESIGNATE THIS AS HISTORIC, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO RELOCATE ANYTHING TO THAT SITE.

WHERE DO WE STAND ON THAT ISSUE? BECAUSE I PASSED BY JUST, IF I MAY HAVE ANOTHER MOMENT.

I DON'T SEE ANY MAJOR ISSUES WITH THAT FIRE STATION.

WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT RELOCATING IT? IT'S BEEN THERE FOR MANY YEARS.

IT FUNCTIONS, IT'S PROVIDED NUMEROUS SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY.

WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT RELOCATING? SO THE PLAN FOR A NEW FIRE STATION, FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE, WHICH YOU'RE CORRECT, IS CURRENTLY LOCATED ON JEFFERSON AVENUE, UM, WAS PART OF THE CITY'S GEO BOND PROJECT INITIATIVE, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.

SO THE CITY HAS ALLOCATED A BUDGET FOR A NEW FIRE STATION.

I, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE CHIEF IS NOT HERE.

UM, BUT OVER THE PAST, AT LEAST PROBABLY SEVEN YEARS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN ADVOCATING FOR A NEW FIRE STATION.

UM, THERE'S A LIST OF REASONS THAT I HAVE HEARD.

I'M NOT EQUIPPED TO SPEAK TO THOSE IN ANY DETAIL AS TO WHY THE CURRENT FIRE STATION IS INADEQUATE FOR THE CITY'S PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS.

UM, BUT THAT HAS BEEN STATED BY THE CITY'S FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT THE CURRENT FIRE STATION IS NOT ADEQUATE FOR, FOR OUR LIFE SAFETY NEEDS.

UM, SO THERE IS A PROJECT, AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A, A, A POLICY DECISION AS TO WHERE THE LOCATION FOR THE NEW FIRE STATION'S GONNA GO.

UM, UP UNTIL THIS YEAR, THE CITY HAD SELECTED THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY SITE AS THE NEW LOCATION FOR THE FIRE STATION.

THERE WAS ACTUALLY A PROJECT THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THIS BOARD.

UM, AFTER A LENGTHY DEBATE AT SEVERAL MEETINGS, UH, THIS BOARD APPROVED A PLAN TO PLACE A NEW FIRE STATION IN THIS LOCATION WHILE PRESERVING SOME VERY LIMITED ASPECTS OF THE LAPIDUS DESIGN AND INCORPORATING THOSE INTO THE NEW FIRE STATION.

UM, SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE HAD A, A CHANGE IN POLICY DIRECTION FROM THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION TO STOP THE PLANNING FOR A NEW FIRE STATION IN THIS LOCATION.

UM, SO THAT CALL WAS MADE BY THE POLICYMAKERS.

AND THEN SHORTLY AFTER THAT, IN PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, THE IDEA OF POTENTIALLY PUTTING A FIRE STATION ON THE VERY WESTERN EDGE OF FLAMINGO PARK WAS, WAS DISCUSSED AND DEBATED.

UM, THAT BECAUSE FLAMINGO PARK IS A REGIONAL PARK, IT IS OVER A CERTAIN ACREAGE REQUIRED A, A BALLOT QUESTION.

IT REQUIRED THE APPROVAL OF THE VOTERS COUNTYWIDE.

SO IT WAS A COUNTYWIDE, UM, BALLOT QUESTION THAT BALLOT QUESTION PASSED.

AND THE CITY COMMISSION HAS, HAS CURRENTLY DIRECTED THE ADMINISTRATION TO WORK WITH OUR DESIGN CONSULTANTS ON FEASIBILITY OF PLACING A SIMILAR, NOT THE SAME PLAN AND DESIGN FOR THE FIRE STATION THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED FOR SIXTH STREET TO THE VERY WESTERN EDGE OF FLAMINGO PARK.

THERE, THERE, THERE ARE NO FINAL PLANS FOR THAT.

UM, I HAVE NOT SEEN, UM, ANY REAL DIMENSION PLANS.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A FINAL DECIS DECISION MADE THAT IF IT WORKS OR IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THERE IS NOT A FINAL APPROVAL THAT IT WILL DEFINITELY BE AT THIS, IN THIS PORTION OF FLAMINGO PARK.

UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN DIRECTED TO EXPLORE WITH OUR DESIGN CONSULTANTS TO SEE IF IT'S POTENTIALLY

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POSSIBLE TO PLACE IT THERE.

IT JUST SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A WHOLE WASTE OF A LOT OF MONEY DOING STUDIES AND HIRING ARCHITECTS FOR SOMETHING THAT CURRENTLY WORKS.

IF YOU WERE TO LEAVE THE FIRE STATION WHERE IT IS AND STAIRWELL, WE LEAVE THE COMMUNITY CENTER AS IS OCCUPANTS AND LEAVE FLAMINGO PARK AS IS, I WOULD SAY WE'D SAVE QUITE A BIT OF MONEY FOR THIS CITY.

NO NEED TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.

THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT.

SO IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT AS A HISTORIC BUILDING, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT IT AT THIS TIME BECAUSE IT'S TIED TOGETHER TO ALL THESE THREE COMPONENTS, FLAMINGO PARK, THE FIRE STATION, AND THIS, AND THIS SITE, UH, ITSELF.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO GENERALLY WHERE THIS CITY IS HEADED IN TERMS OF THOSE THREE COMPONENTS BEFORE WE CAN DECIDE ON THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU HASKELL.

UM, RAY, JUST TO ADD ON, I WAS ON THE BOARD THREE YEARS AGO WHEN WE DID APPROVE THIS SITE FOR THE, THE FIRE STATION.

AND THEY WERE, UH, UH, MAINTAINING MANY OF THE, UH, PARTS OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING AS PART OF THE DESIGN.

THEY WERE EVEN BRINGING, UH, A SCULPTURE FROM ANA THAT'S BEEN SAVED FOR YEARS AND PUTTING IT ON THE BUILDING.

THE CITY SPENT AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO GET TO THIS PLAN.

NOW WHY DID WE TAKE SO LONG? NUMBER ONE, WHEN YOU ASK WHY WE NEED TO MOVE THE FIRE STATION AT ALL, THE ORIGINAL FIRE STATION WAS BUILT BEFORE WE HAD ALL THOSE HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS SOUTH OF FIFTH.

WE DO NOT HAVE PROPER FIRE EQUIPMENT TO TAKE CARE OF A FIRE IN THOSE HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS.

THAT'S THE REASON YOU NEED A NEW FIRE STATION.

NUMBER TWO FLAMINGO, UH, UH, PARK WAS, WAS REJECTED ORIGINALLY BY THE FLAMINGO, UH, PARK ASSOCIATION AS HAVING, UH, UH, THE FIRE STATION IN THE PARK.

THEN WE COME UP WITH THIS LOCATION, WHICH I THINK WAS THE FIFTH SELECTION, UH, THAT THE, THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WENT THROUGH TRYING TO FIND.

AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE BACK TO FLAMINGO PARK AND THE FLAMINGO PARK RESIDENTS DON'T REALLY WANT IT THERE.

I'VE BEEN BY THAT SITE THAT'S VERY NARROW.

I DON'T SEE HOW THEY'RE POSSIBLY GONNA HAVE IT WITHOUT IT BEING UP AND OVER THE TRACK.

UM, TO ME, WE CANNOT DESIGNATE THIS PROPERTY AS HISTORIC UNTIL THERE IS A NEW FIRE STATION BUILT AND THE CITY HAS MADE A COMMITMENT TO RETURN IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION.

IT'S REALLY NOT RIGHT NOW.

IT'S A BASTARDIZED BUILDING.

MANY FEATURES ARE GONE AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT RETURNING AND WHATNOT, BUT TO ME, IT'S NOT HISTORIC UNLESS YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND THE CITY MAKES THE COMMITMENT TO DO THAT.

UH, AND SO I WOULD NEED TO HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION FROM THE CITY BEFORE I COULD PERSONALLY VOTE TO MAKE THIS A HISTORIC SITE.

RAY, COULD YOU, I, I JUST WAS TRYING TO TAKE SOME NOTES ON WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.

UH, YOU SAID WE CANNOT DESIGNATE THIS WITHOUT IT, BUT WHAT WAS IT IN THAT, WITHOUT KNOWING WHERE THE FIRE STATION IS GONNA GO, BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE A PLANNED FIRE STATION FOR THAT LOCATION, THERE'S NO REASON THAT IT COULDN'T COME BACK THERE IF THE CITY CAN'T REALLY BUILD IT SOMEPLACE ELSE.

SO ONCE YOU DESIGNATE THIS IS HISTORIC, THEY'RE GONNA SAY, OH, WELL NOW YOU CAN'T DO THAT TO ME TILL THERE'S A NEW FIRE STATION.

I, I, I PERSONALLY CAN'T VOTE TO DESIGNATE THIS AS A HISTORIC SITE.

WE'VE SPENT AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND WE HAVE NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT.

UH, LAURA, DID YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING? UM, MR. CHAIR? OH, YEAH, JUST GO AHEAD.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

UH, WE DO HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO COMMENT.

UM, SO IT'S UP TO YOU WHEN YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEM.

WELL, LET'S FINISH WITH BOARD COMMENT.

UM, AND I GUESS THIS IS KIND OF AN UNUSUAL CASE, BUT WE USUALLY GO THROUGH BOARD QUESTIONS WITH STAFF, AND THEN WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE ANYBODY WHO'S, UH, WANTS TO TALK IN, UH, IN PUBLIC.

'CAUSE THERE WON'T BE ANOTHER PRESENTATION.

THAT'S THE PRESENTATION.

DO THINK THAT IT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BEAUTY OF THIS BOARD IS KNOWING THE INTRICACIES OF, UM, THE COMMUNITY, UM, THE LOCAL, VERY HYPERLOCAL COMMUNITY.

UM, LAURA, THANK, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, I, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE, UM, THE, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

UM, BUT I DO TEND TO AGREE WITH MY BOARD MEMBERS THAT A LOT OF THE ELEMENTS, UM, ALTHOUGH REVERSIBLE, WHICH IS NOTED IN, IN, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THEY'RE NOT, UH, THEY DON'T HOLD THE STANDARD OF AUTHENTICITY, UM, CURRENTLY AS IS.

UM, I DO THINK THAT THE GENERAL FORM OF THE STRUCTURE, OBVIOUSLY THE LOCATION, ET CETERA SETTING, UM, MEET THE CRITERIA.

SO I, I AM INCLINED TO AGREE THAT AT FACE VALUE, IT IS A HISTORIC SITE.

UM, BUT I

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SO I DO THINK WE KIND OF NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE BEYOND, UM, A, A POTENTIAL DESIGNATION FOR THIS SITE.

ELIZABETH, DID YOU WANNA WEIGH IN? YES.

UM, SO WHEN INITIALLY I SAID, OH, THAT'S, UM, A GREAT BUILDING, WHY NOT DESIGNATE AS HISTORIC, BUT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SEA LEVEL RISE AND THE NEED FOR RESILIENCE, AND MY CONCERN IS WE ARE JUST KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

AND BY DESIGNATING HISTORIC TODAY, IN YEARS AHEAD, WE'LL CREATE ANOTHER PROBLEM ON HOW TO, UM, ALLOW THIS BUILDING TO SURVIVE SEA LEVEL RISE.

AND I THINK GIVEN THE, THE POINTS THAT TREY, UH, PRESENTED, AND I WAS NOT HERE THREE YEARS AGO WHEN THE OTHER FIRE STATION WAS DEBATED, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TOO MANY PIECES, UH, IN THE PUZZLE, AND THEY ARE NOT VERY STABLE AT THIS POINT.

AND I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ALL GO AND WHAT'S THE BETTER LOCATION FOR EVERYTHING.

BECAUSE ONCE WE DESIGNATED THIS BUILDING AS HISTORIC, IT'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A FIRE STATION IN THE FUTURE.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO EVALUATE THOSE OPTIONS A LITTLE BIT BETTER UNDER THE LIGHT OF THE LACK OF, UM, FUTURE RESILIENCE OF THIS BUILDING AND HOW TO RESOLVE THAT.

SO, UM, I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION, AND NOT INFORMATION, BUT STUDIES IN TERMS TO UNDERSTANDING THE IMPLICATIONS OF DESIGNATING THE HISTORIC AND IN THE LONG RUN, HOW WE ALLOW THIS BUILDING TO SURVIVE AND HOW WE ACCOMMODATE THIS FIRE STATION, THE FLAMINGO PARK, AND, UH, ALL THE CONSTITUENCIES INVOLVED IN THAT DECISION.

TO NOT, YOU KNOW, PUT TOO MUCH WEIGHT ON THAT BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THAT'S A P POLICY DECISION.

UM, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING MORE? OKAY, GO FOR IT.

I GUESS THIS IS A FURTHER QUESTION FOR, FOR STAFF.

UM, WAS, AND FORGIVE ME FOR NOT FOLLOWING ALL OF THE DETAILS OF THE KIND OF WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON ON THE, IN THE POLITICAL WORLD HERE ON THIS, BUT WAS THERE, WAS IT CONTEMPLATED THAT THERE COULD BE A REVAMPING OF THE FIRE STATION AND A PART OF THE PARKING LOT THAT EXISTS, I BELIEVE, ON THIS SITE, THAT, THAT WITH THOSE TWO ENTITIES, THAT THERE COULD BE ENOUGH SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW NEEDS OF SOUTH OF FIFTH WITH NEW EQUIPMENT AND WHATNOT? AND WHAT WERE THE DISCUSSIONS AROUND THAT, IF THERE WERE ANY? I I BELIEVE IT'S A 21,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, UM, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH, WHICH IS A PRETTY BIG LOT, OBVIOUSLY.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE JEFFERSON LOT WHERE THE EXISTING FIRE STATION IS? YES, YES.

SO WE, AND YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T BEEN BEEN A POINT PERSON OR, OR DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THIS, BUT WE, I, ALONG WITH OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, UM, OFFICE, HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT POSSIBLE LOCATIONS FOR A FIRE STATION FOR, FOR PROBABLY 10 YEARS.

UM, THE FIRST, THE FIRST ANALYSIS AND STUDY WAS DONE ON THE JEFFERSON AVENUE SITE IN TERMS OF COULD WE USE THAT SITE TO BUILD A NEW FIRE STATION, UM, COULD WE MODIFY THE EXISTING BUILDING AND EXPAND IT FOR THE NEW FIRE STATION? THAT SITE IS, IS VERY COMPLICATED BECAUSE THERE IS A, UH, I THINK IT'S A WASTEWATER STATION AND PUMP THERE, WHICH LIMITS, UM, IN A VERY SEVERE WAY WHAT CAN BE DONE ON THIS SITE.

SO A GOOD PORTION OF THAT SITE CANNOT BE UTILIZED DUE TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S, THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.

UM, ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT STAFF IN OUR EVALUATION OF THE, THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER DID NOT TAKE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.

MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD WOULD BE NOT TO TAKE WHERE A NEW FIRE STATION'S GONNA GO INTO CONSIDERATION.

MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD WOULD BE TO EVALUATE THE PROPOSAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DESIGNATION CRITERIA, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE MANDATED TO DO.

NOW, THERE'S ALSO BEEN POINTS REGARDING THE SEA LEVEL RISE CRITERIA.

WE ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO EVALUATE PROPERTIES BASED ON THE SEA LEVEL RISE CRITERIA.

UM, BUT WHILE THERE'S A LOT OF, OF, YOU KNOW, IDEAS AND, AND UNCERTAINTY OVER A FIRE STATION PROJECT FOR SOUTH BEACH, UM, I WOULD CAUTION THE BOARD

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WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE PLAN AT THIS POINT.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE WILL, UM, BUT TO EVALUATE THE, THE PROPOSAL BASED ON THE CRITERIA.

UM, OKAY.

CAN I ASK, UH, AND THEN WE'LL GET TO THE PUBLIC, UH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK, UH, A REMINDER OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, BECAUSE THIS CAME TO US IN AS, UM, AS A, A, A MANDATE, A QUESTION.

HOW WOULD YOU REFER THIS FROM THE, FROM CITY COMMISSION? CAN YOU DESCRIBE KIND OF WHAT OUR ROLE IS HERE? SURE.

UM, THIS CAME TO YOU BASICALLY AS A REFERRAL.

SO THE CITY HAS INIT, THE CITY COMMISSION INITIATED THE DESIGNATION, MEANING THERE'S AN APPLICATION FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER THIS AS A POSSIBLE HISTORIC SITE.

SO THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT OR MANDATE OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THE BOARD REVIEW STAFF'S PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS OF THE SITE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIRED CRITERIA AND MAKE A, A DETERMINATION.

SO YOU ARE BEING ASKED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MORE DETAILED INFORMATION FOR A POTENTIAL HISTORIC SITE DESIGNATION.

SO RIGHT TODAY WOULD BE, DO YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD OR NOT? THAT IS SOLELY IN THE DISCRETION OF THIS BOARD, WHETHER OR NOT TO CONTINUE THIS PROCESS OR TO STOP THE PROCESS.

AND IF, UH, IT'S VOTED BY THIS BOARD TO STOP THE PROCESS, IS THERE, IS THERE AN APPEAL, UH, AN APPEAL OPTION BY THE COMMISSION, BY THE CITY COMMISSION? I DO NOT BELIEVE THE CODE PROVIDES FOR AN APPEAL OF A PRELIMINARY EVALUATION, SO I, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE ANY APPEAL POSSIBLE.

AND WOULD THERE BE ANY, UM, OPTION, SAY THIS BOARD REJECTS THE, UM, REJECTS THE, THE REJECTS MOVING THIS FORWARD, IS THERE ANY OPTION FOR THE BOARD AT A FUTURE TIME OR THE COMMISSION AT A FUTURE TIME TO REINTRODUCE THE REFERRAL? YES.

ELIZABETH, QUESTION FOR DEBBIE.

I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE, UM, I KNOW IF THE, IF THE DESIGNATION REPORT IS VOTED DOWN, IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO COME BEFORE YOU FOR 12 MONTHS, I BELIEVE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO CONFIRM THIS WITH STEVEN OR NICKIS, MOST LIKELY, UM, IF THE BOARD DECLINES TO MOVE FORWARD AT THE PRELIMINARY EVALUATION PROCESS, IF THERE MAY BE A 12 MONTH WAITING PERIOD.

BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, IN THE FUTURE, THIS COULD COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD AT, AT EITHER THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD, AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY COMMISSION, THE REQUEST OF THE PLANNING BOARD MDPL, THERE'S CERTAIN ENTITIES THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BRING THIS BACK BEFORE YOU IN THE FUTURE.

WAIT, FIRST ELIZABETH AND THEN, AND THEN RAY, AND THEN NO.

CAN WE DE, CAN WE DEFER THAT DECISION TO A LATER MEETING? YES.

THE CONTINUANCE CAN BE MADE UP TO 120 DAYS, UM, AND THE CONTINUANCE CAN BE A TOTAL OF 12 MONTHS.

CAN WE ASK FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO BE PRESENTED AT THAT LATER MEETING, OR THAT'S NOT THE SPACE FOR IT NOW? YES.

OH, GOOD.

UH, RAY AND THEN BRIAN, UH, DEBBIE, UM, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THIS WASN'T BROUGHT UP THREE YEARS AGO WHEN THIS, UH, PARTICULAR PROPERTY WAS SCHEDULED TO BE RENOVATED, UH, INTO THE FIRE STATION, TORN DOWN AND SAVE PARTS, AND WHY IS IT YOU THINK NOW? DO YOU THINK THAT THIS WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THE FIRE STATION COULD NEVER GO BACK THERE AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON IT'S BEFORE US? SO I, I DON'T KNOW.

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR, FOR OTHER PEOPLE IN TERMS OF WHY THEY'RE BRINGING THIS BEFORE YOU, I CAN SPEAK WITH STAFF'S HISTORY WITH THE PROJECT, WHICH IS EXTENSIVE, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR RECOMMENDATION HAS REMAINED CONSISTENT IN TERMS OF THE FACT THAT WE DO NOT BELIEVE THIS BUILDING IS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING, WHICH WAS THE PREVIOUS REQUEST.

WE HAVE POINTED OUT THE SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS WITH REGARD TO THE BUILDING'S ELEVATION AS WELL AS ALTERATIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED TO THE BUILDING OVER TIME.

WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT THIS BUILDING IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT IN TERMS OF THE CRITERIA FOR AN INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC SITE, WHICH IS WHY OUR RECOMMENDATION IS SOLELY BASED ON THE CRITERIA AND NOT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THIS OTHER CHATTER THAT'S GOING AROUND AND

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ALL THESE OTHER DIFFERENT INITIATIVES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, POSSIBILITIES.

BRIAN, UM, I GUESS I'M JUST, I WAS HOPING THAT YOU COULD GIVE ME A LITTLE HELP OR GIVE US A LITTLE HELP HERE.

UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES RELATED TO THE RESILIENCY AND THE SEA LEVEL RISE.

AND SO I'M WONDERING IN YOUR MIND, IF, IF WE WERE TO HYPOTHETICALLY CONTINUE THIS ITEM, WHAT OTHER KINDS OF INFORMATION COULD WE RECEIVE FROM THE CITY AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS AND PROFESSIONALS TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THOSE MODIFICATIONS WOULD NEED TO BE, UM, TO HASKELL'S POINT, THE, THE COST, THE POTENTIAL COSTS OF THOSE MODIFICATIONS? I KNOW THAT WE'RE, WE ARE, OUR PURVIEW IS, IS, IS ON THE DESIGNATION, BUT AS, UM, YOU KNOW, AS SOME OF MY, MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, I THINK THAT WE, WE DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT A LOT OF ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY AND POTENTIAL COST RAMIFICATIONS.

AND I, I JUST WANT US TO LOOK AT THIS PRETTY HOLISTICALLY.

SO I'M CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE ANY, UM, GUIDANCE THERE ON WHAT COULD BE OFFERED TO US IN A, A POTENTIAL FUTURE MEETING.

UM, YEAH, AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

SO I AM AWARE, AND WE CAN BRING YOU BACK A LOT MORE DETAIL, THAT THE BUILDING HAD RECEIVED A 40 YEAR RECERTIFICATION.

UM, AND ADDITIONALLY, I BELIEVE IT WAS A 50 YEAR, YOU KNOW, NOW IT'S EVERY 10 YEARS, I BELIEVE THEY WENT THROUGH MORE RECENT CERTIFICATION.

UM, THERE HAVE BEEN REPAIRS DONE TO THE BUILDING THROUGH OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS OFFICE.

I BELIEVE FACILITIES MAY, OUR FACILITIES MANAGEMENT DIVISION MAY ALSO BE INVOLVED, SO WE COULD, I COULD CERTAINLY REACH OUT TO THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WHO HAVE ACTUALLY, UM, PERFORMED REPAIRS ON THE BUILDING AND WHO ARE MUCH MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT ITS CURRENT CONDITION THAN I AM.

UM, I COULD ASK THEM TO PROVIDE US SOME INFORMATION AND PERHAPS ATTEND A FUTURE MEETING TO GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION REGARDING, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING STRUCTURAL CONDITION, UM, AND IN WHAT THEY SEE POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE FOR, FOR RESILIENCY UPGRADES THAT MAY NEED TO HAPPEN.

UH, I THINK, UM, SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA DO THIS WHERE WE HAD OUR OPPORTUNITY TO JUST ASK QUESTIONS AND GET THIS OUT, AND THEN WE'LL LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND WE'LL HAVE OUR, OUR CONVERSATION.

IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, MR. CHAIR.

UM, ON ZOOM, WE HAVE SEVERAL, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS JOHAN MOORE.

GOOD MORNING, JOHAN.

GOOD MORNING, DEBBIE.

UH, AND, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, UM, YOU, UH, MR. MOORE, BEFORE YOU START, I NEED TO, UM, SWAY YOU IN.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE, UH, YES, CORRECT.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'LL BE GIVING IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, I DO.

AND I'M GONNA SET THE CLOCK THANK YOU IN TWO MINUTES, UM, FOR YOU TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.

GREAT.

TO CONSERVE CULTURAL RESOURCES, UH, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE BBA PROJECT, UH, FUNDING CAN AND WILL BE PURSUED MORE AGGRESSIVELY.

THANK YOU, UH, DEBBIE, FOR ALL YOUR CLARITY.

UM, THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYING.

I ALSO WANT TO THANK RAY, UH, FOR HIS CLARITY ON THE NEED FOR A NEW FIRE STATION.

THERE HAS, UH, NEVER BEEN DISAGREEMENT, I THINK, FROM WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE NEED FOR A NEW FIRE STATION.

UH, IT CANNOT ACCOMMODATE MODERN UPTODATE EQUIPMENT.

UH, IT DOES NOT PERMIT, UH, DRIVING THROUGH THE FIRE STATION.

UH, AND THE BUILDING IN FACT SEEMS TO BE RATHER MOLDY.

UH, THE ADJACENT PARKING GARAGE.

TWO STORY STRUCTURE THAT SOME MAY HAVE ASSUMED IS CITY PROPERTY IS IN FACT THE PROPERTY OF THE CONDOMINIUM ACROSS THE ALLEY.

AND SO IT SHOULD NOT BE, IN YOUR MINDS CONSIDERED AS A PART OF THIS, UM, I FEEL FOR YOU HAVING TO DECIDE THIS BASED ON THE ARCHITECTURAL AND SUCH CRITERIA RATHER THAN ON THE SURROUNDING SOCIAL ISSUES.

BUT THIS BUILDING IS CENTRAL TO OUR COMMUNITY.

IT IS A LOAD STONE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

UH, IT IS, IT IS VERY MUCH AT THE HEART OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND IT'S SOCIAL FUNCTIONS ARE WHAT IS AS IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AS ITS ARCHITECTURE.

I WANTED TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE CONCERNS, THOUGH THAT CAME UP.

UM, CITY, UH, STAFF HAS BEEN MADE AWARE THAT THE WEST DRAIN IN THE ADJACENT PARKING LOT IS INADEQUATE, UH, FIXING THAT SHOULD HELP PROTECT THE BUILDING.

UH, WHEN THE SITE WAS DESIGNATED FOR THE FIRE STATION, WE WERE PROMISED AN ADJACENT INJECTION WELL.

AND CITY STAFF IS ALSO AWARE THAT THAT IS CURRENTLY AN ORPHANED PROJECT.

UM, BUT ALL ISSUES POTENTIALLY WITH INJECTION WELLS ASIDE, UH, IT MIGHT BE A WAY OF ADDRESSING THIS.

FINALLY, I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT UNDER THE US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS OBLIGATION

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IF THIS BO BODY AND OR THIS CITY COMMISSION, UH, CHOOSES TO PUSH FOR IT FOR FEDERAL FUNDING, UH, TO BE REQUESTED BY THE WHITE HOUSE IN 28, IS THE NEXT CHANCE, UH, THAT WOULD PERMIT BUILDINGS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO BE ELEVATED.

UH, AND THAT I THINK IS, IS A, IS A PRACTICAL FORWARD-LOOKING ANSWER TO THE OTHERWISE RATHER ALARMING QUESTION THAT WAS IMPLIED, WHICH IS HOW IS THE CITY GOING TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY, UH, FOR ELEVATING SUCH A BUILDING? I'LL LEAVE MY COMMENTS AT THAT.

UH, I AM DISHEARTENED, UH, THAT THERE WAS NOT UNANIMITY OR MAJORITY SUPPORT FOR THIS.

AND I URGE YOU TO PUT OFF A DECISION, UH, I THINK STAKEHOLDERS, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY, AND OTHERWISE WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION FOR YOU THAT CAN HELP YOU MAKE A FULLER DECISION AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

MR. MCKINNEY, GOOD MORNING.

THANK YOU, JOHAN.

UH, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS DAVID MCKINNEY.

I JUST NEED TO SWAY YOU IN BEFORE YOU ADDRESS THE BOARD.

YES, THANK YOU.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'LL BE GIVING IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.

I'M AN ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN.

AND I'M GONNA SET, LEMME INTRODUCE CLOCK FOR TWO MINUTES FOR YOU TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.

UH, UH, LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF TO THOSE OF YOU WHO DO NOT KNOW ME.

I'M DAVID MCKINNEY.

I HOLD AN MA IN PHD IN THE HISTORY OF ARCHITECTURE FROM, UH, UNIVERSITY VIRGINIA, AND RECENTLY, UH, PRESENTED A PAPER AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI AT A NATIONAL CONFERENCE ON THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS BUILDING TO THE CAREER MARKET, UM, UH, MORRIS LAPIDUS AND ON THE ARCHITECTURAL LANDSCAPE OF MIAMI BEACH.

UH, I HAVE TO SAY I'M DISHEARTENED AND DISAPPOINTED THAT THE, UM, UH, BOARD HAS ALREADY DECIDED, UM, IT'S, UH, UH, THERE AND MAY KNOWN ITS VOTES BEFORE HEARING THE PUBLIC.

I THINK IT'S A DISSERVICE TO THIS, UH, TO THE CITY AS A WHOLE, UH, AND BASICALLY THWARTS THE, THE WHOLE, UH, PURPOSE OF PUBLIC CLIMATE.

UM, I WILL NOTE THAT, UH, IN THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS BUILDING, UH, HAS BEEN NOTED AND, UH, BROUGHT BEFORE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD BY THE SOCIETY OF ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIANS AND THE STATE HISTORICAL, UH, PRESERVATION.

UH, FLORIDA STATE, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION HAS NAMED IT AS ONE OF ITS BUILDINGS TO SAVE.

UH, I HAVE TO DISAGREE PROFESSIONALLY WITH THE STAFF.

UH, OPINION ABOUT THE PAINT FOR A BUILDING THIS AGE NOT TO HAVE PAINT ON, UH, ON IT, UH, IS BASICALLY, UH, TO, UH, SAY THAT YOU, YOU HAVE TO, UH, HAVE A BUILDING, UH, IN PRISTINE STYLE, UH, THE MOMENT THAT IT IS, UH, OPENED, UH, BEFORE IT CAN BE PRESERVED.

PAINT REMOVAL IS NOT A DIFFICULT, UH, UH, THING, UH, THERE, UH, ASPECT AND SHOULD NOT BE A REASON FOR YOU TO DECIDE AGAINST THIS BUILDING.

UH, I WOULD, SORRY.

UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I JUST COMPLETE MY FOLLOW UP? YES, YOU HAVE ONE MORE MINUTE, DAVID.

UM, THERE, THIS BUILDING, UH, REALLY HAS NATIONAL IMPLICATIONS.

IT WAS A NATIONAL MODEL FOR HIS, UH, UH, THEIR, UH, UH, RECOGNIZED BY BOTH THE US SENATE AND BY THE WHITE HOUSE CONFERENCE ON AGING WHEN IT WAS CREATED.

IT IS, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, UH, THEIR SCHNEIDER, UH, MORRIS LAPUS ARCHITECT OF THE AMERICAN DREAM, IT IS FEATURED PROMINENTLY IN THIS MONOGRAPH, WHICH IS THE PROBABLY THE BEST MONOGRAPH ON MORRIS LAPUS, UH, THERE DATE.

SO IF YOU, UH, DECIDE NOT TO DESIGNATE THIS YOU BUILDING, YOU'RE BASICALLY GOING AGAINST, UM, NOT ONLY THE HISTORIC AND PRESERVATION CODE OF, UH, MIAMI BEACH, BUT THE, THE WHOLE TIDE OF ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY FOR THIS, FOR, UH, BOTH THE CITY, THE STATE, AND THE NATION.

GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER.

THANK YOU, DAVID.

OKAY, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS COMMISSIONER TANYA BHAT.

GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

UM, I, I WILL

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NEED TO SWAY YOU IN AS YOU ADDRESS THE BOARD.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL BE GIVING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.

IT MAY NOT BE TO EVERYBODY'S TASTE.

AND SINCE WE'VE GIVEN UP THE CALL IS THREE MINUTES, MR. CHAIR, SHALL I SET THE CLOCK AT THREE? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UM, EXTENDING A LITTLE BIT OF LATITUDE.

UM, IN CASE THIS GOES OVER THREE MINUTES, I WANTED TO, UM, ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT I'VE HEARD, UH, RAISED.

I WON'T BELABOR THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS BUILDING, UM, THAT, UH, PROFESSOR, UH, EXCUSE ME, UH, DR. MCKINNEY JUST LAID OUT BECAUSE I COULDN'T DO IT ANY BETTER THAN HIM.

UM, SO A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I'M HEARING BEING DISCUSSED ARE POLICY DECISIONS AND, AND ISSUES, RATHER THAN THE PURE MERITS OF THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS BUILDING.

UM, I HAVE BEEN RUNNING POINT ON THIS, UM, ISSUE THE LOCATION OF A NEW DESPERATELY NEEDED FIRE STATION SINCE THE FIRST COMMISSION MEETING EXACTLY A YEAR AGO.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE ARE VERY FAR DOWN THE ROAD.

UM, WE HAD A ROBUST CONVERSATION, UM, WITH A NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDERS, NOT JUST A CONVERSATION PROCESS WITH A NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDERS, UM, IN THE SOUTH, UH, SOUTH BEACH AREA TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL SITES THAT WERE NOT THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER.

I THINK WE VETTED EIGHT OR NINE, UM, THAT WERE SUGGESTED BY STAFF, BY RESIDENTS.

UM, AND WE HAD VERY SPECIFIC CRITERIA.

THE BEST OPTION WAS THE SITE IN THE, ON THE EASTERN MOST EDGE OF THE FLAMINGO PARK.

UM, IT HAD TO PASS A COUNTYWIDE REFERENDUM, UM, AND IT DID WITH 75 PLUS PERCENT, INCLUDING AN AVERAGE OF CLOSE TO 75% IN EVERY DISTRICT, EVERY PRECINCT IN MIAMI BEACH, INCLUDING FLAMINGO PARK.

SO LET'S LET THAT SINK IN.

THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE PRECINCT IN MIAMI BEACH, NOT EVEN FLAMINGO PARK, WHO DID NOT APPROVE OF THIS LOCATION OR THE RELOCATION OF THE FIRE STATION.

THE NEXT ISSUE, AND IT'S A CONCERN IS CAN WE FIT THE FIRE STATION THAT WE NEED, WHICH IS A CATEGORY FIVE RATED COMMAND CENTER, UM, ALONG WITH THE NEWER, BIGGER EQUIPMENT NECESSARY TO SERVICE THE NEWER, BIGGER BUILDINGS SOUTH OF FIFTH INTO THAT VERY NARROW LITTLE STRIP ON THE EASTERN MOST EDGE OF FLAMINGO PARK.

CAN WE DO THAT WITHOUT AFFECTING THE TRACK AND FIELD? AND THE ANSWER IS YES.

WE HAVE WORKED WITH ENGINEERS, UM, WORKING ON THIS PROJECT.

THEY HAVE CONFIRMED THAT IT WILL NOT ONLY NOT AFFECT THE TRACK AND FIELD, BUT IT WILL BE, UM, FURTHER AWAY FROM THE TRACK AND FIELD THAN THE EXISTING FENCE THAT IS AT THE EASTERN MOST EDGE OF THE TRACK AND FIELD.

IN LAST WEEK'S COMMISSION MEETING, WE UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE CHANGE ORDERS TO THE CONTRACTS FOR THE, UM, THE ARCHITECTS AND THE ENGINEERS AND ALL THE FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON THIS PROJECT SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN, UM, REEVALUATING AND REDESIGNING THE NEW FIRE STATION FOR ITS NEW LOCATION ON THE EASTERN EDGE, UH, ON ALTON ROAD.

THAT IS WORK THAT IS STARTING.

THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL ALTERNATE FIRE STATION LOCATION THAT IS POSSIBLE.

I KNOW THAT THERE IS A MAGICAL THINKING WISH FLOATING AROUND THAT WE CAN BUY A WALGREENS THAT WOULD ADD 20 TO $30 MILLION TO THE COST OF THE PROJECT IF WE WERE EVEN ABLE TO FIND A WALGREENS FOR SALE IN THE RIGHT AREA.

BECAUSE REMEMBER, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT IS PLACED ON A LOVELY SITE THAT DOESN'T SERVE THE, THE, UM, RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT IT IS REQUIRED TO SERVE.

THE FIRE CHIEF, CHIEF VIRGIL, THE, THE FORMER FIRE CHIEF AND OUR CURRENT FIRE CHIEF, UH, CHIEF ABELL, WERE INTIMATELY INVOLVED AT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY TO FIND A NEW SPACE.

AND THEY ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORTIVE OF THE NEW LOCATION FOR THE FIRE STATION.

THE FIRE STATION LOCATION IS SET.

WE ARE MOVING AHEAD.

WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF OPEN HOUSES AND EVENTS AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME VISIT IT, I WOULD HAPPY TO ARRANGE IT.

THE BUILDING IS ROCK SOLID.

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I HAD SOMEBODY WRITE INTO ME TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE TRYING TO SAVE IT.

IT'S NOT VERY PRETTY AND I NEVER SEE A BUS TOUR STOPPING BY.

BUT YOU'RE ALL ON THIS BOARD BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY AND SIGNIFICANCE.

ISN'T IT ALWAYS EVERYBODY'S IDEA OF AESTHETICALLY PLEASING DAVID MCKINNEY LAID OUT ALL THE REASONS WHY THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT BUILDING, NOT JUST AESTHETICALLY AND ARCHITECTURALLY, BUT FOR THE CULTURE AND THE HISTORY THAT IT WAS BUILT TO SERVE AND WHICH IT REPRESENTS.

AND IT IS BEING REINVIGORATED IN RECLAIMING ITS SPACE IN THE COMMUNITY AS IT WAS MEANT TO BEFORE.

IT WAS PUT ON LIFE SUPPORT ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO.

THE SENIOR LUNCH SERVICES PROGRAM IS RESTARTING WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

THE DAYCARE NO LONGER NEEDS TO BE RELOCATED.

IT HAS CONTINUED UNINTERRUPTED.

WE, LAST WEEK, AT LAST WEEK'S COMMISSION MEETING, AUTHORIZED THE CITY TO START PLANNING FOR A SUMMER CAMP PROGRAM TO BE HELD THERE.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE MOVING SOME OF ITS TRAINING FACILITIES TO THE UPSTAIRS, WHICH WILL NOT ONLY ENABLE THAT PART OF THE CITY TO HAVE A VISIBLE POLICE PRESENCE, BUT WILL ALSO ALLOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DO THE TRAININGS THAT IT DOES AT CITY, AT THEIR, UM, HEADQUARTERS, LIKE SELF-DEFENSE CLASSES FOR WOMEN AND THE POLICE ATHLETIC LEAGUE TO HOLD THEIR BOXING CLASSES FOR KIDS.

THERE, THERE'S GOING TO BE ROOM FOR, UM, UH, A NUMBER OF NOT-FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS.

THERE IS A, UM, A ROBUST INTEREST FROM THE COMMUNITY.

THERE'S A COMMITTEE BEING FORMED TO HELP GUIDE THE KIND OF SOFT PROGRAMMING.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IN THE EVENINGS, WHAT HAPPENS ON WEEKENDS, YOGA CLASSES? COMMISSIONER, CAN YOU, CAN YOU KIND OF WRAP THIS UP PLEASE? A LITTLE? UM, THANK YOU.

I'M ALMOST DONE.

GOOD.

I I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION YOU'VE BEEN ASKING ABOUT.

THE, THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS ALIVE AND KICKING AND ROBUST, AND THE ONLY WORK THAT IT NEEDS IS REPLACING THE ELEVATOR, WHICH IS NORMAL STANDARD REPAIR.

AND I REALLY URGE YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER PURELY ON THE MERITS OF THE, THE HISTORICAL BUILDING YOUR VOTE FOR DESIGNATING IT.

UM, YES, THERE'S ANOTHER PERSON.

ONE JUST POPPED UP.

ACTUALLY, WE HAVE TWO THAT JUST POPPED UP.

UM, OUR NEXT SPEAKER WITH THE INITIALS, KRG.

GOOD.

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

I JUST NEED CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE, YEAH.

I JUST NEED TO S SWEAR YOU IN.

SO DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL BE GIVING IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I HOPE SO, YEAH.

OKAY, GREAT.

AND MR. CHAIR, HOW LONG SHOULD I SET IT FOR THE COMMISSIONER? UH, INITIAL THREE, THREE MINUTES.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, HOW MANY, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED, COMMISSIONER? UM, I, I WASN'T ABLE TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION, ALTHOUGH I'VE STARTED TO RECEIVE TEXT MESSAGES FROM PEOPLE ACROSS THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY ARE FLABBERGASTED THAT AFTER ALL, AFTER ALL OF THIS EFFORT, KNOWING THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION REALLY APPRECIATES THIS BUILDING, THAT THIS BOARD IS NOT GOING TO COMPLETE THE DESIGNATION.

I'M SHOCKED.

UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT IS A, FROM BRUTALISM, AND I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER BOUGHT, SHOWED SEVERAL ARTICLES AROUND THE COUNTRY EXPLAINING THAT EXPERTS, EXPERTS, UM, ARE CLAIMING THAT THIS IS A, AN EXAMPLE OF, OF MOORES LAPIDUS.

WHY WOULD WE TAKE A, A, A UNIQUE BUILDING LIKE THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT IS THRIVING, THAT HAS A DAYCARE, THERE IS SO MUCH EXCITEMENT THERE.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOVES IT.

BARBARA ICKY IS GOING TO REPAINT IT, AND THERE IS NO APPRECIATION, UM, FOR IT FROM THIS BOARD.

AND I, I, AND I HONESTLY, I'M GONNA REALLY, , I HOPE I WOULD, I WOULD ASK YOU TO DEFER THIS ITEM BECAUSE I THINK WE, I NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH EACH OF YOU AND SHOW YOU SOME OF THE ARTICLES WRITTEN ON THE CENTER AND POSSIBLY TRY TO CHANGE YOUR MINDS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS IS JUST WRONG.

AND REALLY IT'S A SLAP IN THE FACE TO ME.

COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ, ALL OF US WHO VOTED FOR IT.

I THINK THE LAST VOTE WAS ACTUALLY A UNANIMOUS VOTE.

SO BY IGNORING US, AND IT JUST SHOWS THAT THERE'S NO RESPECT, UM, FOR OUR OPINION.

THAT'S HOW I FEEL RIGHT NOW.

VERY DISAPPOINTED.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

OKAY, OUR FINAL SPEAKER IS DANIEL ERALDO.

DANIEL, GOOD MORNING.

YOU'LL BE GIVING IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.

I JUST NEED TO SWAY YOU IN.

BEFORE YOU ADDRESS THE BOARD, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY THAT

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THANK YOU SO MUCH AND GOOD MORNING.

MEMBERS OF THE HP BOARD, SORRY I CAN'T BE THERE IN PERSON THIS MORNING.

UM, MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORTS THE DESIGNATION OF THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER AS A HISTORIC SITE.

IT IS A SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURE DESIGNED BY MORRIS LAPIDES, AND IT IS LONG SERVED AS A COMMUNITY HUB.

WE HAVE WORKED COLLABORATIVELY WITH STAKEHOLDERS OVER THE YEARS TO PRESERVE THIS IMPORTANT BUILDING.

AND WE'RE PLEASED TO SEE A RECEIVING FORMAL RECOGNITION OF ITS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE WITHIN OUR DISTRICT.

IT'S ALSO NICE THAT THE 40 YEAR RECERTIFICATION HAS RECENTLY CONCLUDED ENSURING THE SAFETY OF THE STRUCTURE IN THE NEAR TERM.

NOW, AS FAR AS A RECENT DISCUSSION, IT'S A VERY, UH, INFORMATIVE AND, UM, UH, I, I DO BELIEVE THOUGH, THAT WE HAVE TO EXPAND OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT SEA LEVEL RISE AND RESILIENCY TO ALSO INCLUDE TODAY'S RESIDENTS OF OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS, NOT ONLY WITH A SINGLE-MINDED FOCUS FOR THE FUTURE RESIDENTS.

THIS IS A COMMUNITY CENTER.

IF THIS WERE IN VENICE, ITALY, HOW WOULD HE RESPOND TO THE FACT THAT IT'S TWO FEET BELOW THE NEW CONSTRUCTION FLOOD LEVEL? ALL THAT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT IS A FIRE STATION OR THE RELATIVE LEVEL TO NEW CONSTRUCTION.

NOAA 2022 PREDICTION IS ONE FOOT, SEA LEVEL RISE BY 2050 AND TWO FEET BY 2100.

SO WE NEED TO HAVE CHARTS WITH THESE BUILDINGS AND WITH THE PROJECTIONS WE NEED TO TAKE THE ABSTRACT TO THE ACTUAL, IN ORDER TO STOP THIS IMPASSE THAT WE KEEP HAVING ON DECISIONS.

SO I WOULD ASK THIS BOARD TO PLEASE PROTECT THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND THAT STAFF DO A BETTER JOB TO EXPLAIN THE RESILIENCY AND THE BENEFITS OF A COMMUNITY CENTER TODAY.

IT IS, IN CONCLUSION, IT'S AMAZING THAT THERE ARE EVEN SOME MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD WHO RECENTLY SPOKE IN SUPPORT OF UNLIMITED BUILDING HEIGHTS ALONG THE COAST WHEN IT'S ABOUT NEW LUXURY CONDOS ON THE OCEAN'S EDGE.

IT'S BILL, BILL BUILD, BUT SAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER.

SORRY.

SEA LEVEL RISE IS COMING.

THANK YOU, DANIELLE.

DOES THAT CONCLUDE OUR PUBLIC? YES.

HOW A BUILDING THAT'S SET LOW INTO THE GROUND WILL BE ABLE TO BE USED AND ANTICIPATE BEING FLOODED.

WELL THAT WAS QUITE A PUBLIC, UM, A A PUBLIC CONTRIBUTION TO OUR, OUR COMMITTEE MEETING.

AND, UM, I WANNA OPEN IT UP FOR THE DISCUSSION OF THE BOARD AND WHAT WE DO.

AND I, I DID WANT TO KIND OF, UM, I HADN'T YET KIND OF EXPRESSED MY OPINIONS ON THIS.

UM, AND, UH, MY, MY OPINIONS BEFORE ALL OF THESE COMMENTS WAS THAT THE, I DIDN'T THINK THE STAFF REPORT WENT QUITE FAR ENOUGH TO TALK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF THIS BUILDING AS A HISTORIC, AS A HISTORIC BUILDING.

I, I BELONG TO THE 20TH CENTURY SOCIETY IN LONDON, WHICH IS A, WHICH IS A PIONEERING SOCIETY.

THAT'S TO SAVE HISTORIC, UH, CONCRETE, CONCRETE BUILDINGS, UM, IN BRITAIN.

BUT, UH, AND SO I CONSIDERED THIS TO BE A KIND OF A PIONEERING, UM, KINDA STEP FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH TO TAKE IN TERMS OF PRESERVING A BUILDING.

MORRIS LAPUS.

AND I ALSO, I ALSO LIVED FOR A WHILE IN BROOKLYN HEIGHTS, WHERE MANY OF YOU GUYS KNOW CAMAN, UH, CAMAN PLAZA NORTH IS A, UM, IS MORRIS LAPIDUS BUILDING OF THE SAME PERIOD.

AND SO IF YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE BUILDINGS ARE USED AND HOW THEY'RE SET WITHIN HISTORIC CONTEXT, YOU KINDA SEE THIS BUILDING AS I IMAGINE, UH, OTHERS WOULD AS PART OF A CONTEXT OF A HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, DISTRICT.

IN THAT CASE, IT'S, UM, IT IS A, BROOKLYN HEIGHTS IS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE, UM, THE LAPIDUS BUILDINGS ARE KIND OF ADDRESSING, ADDRESSING THAT.

AND SO, UM, I WAS VERY GUNG HO ABOUT THIS.

AND I ALSO, I ALSO BELIEVE THAT BUILDINGS FROM THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES AND AND BRULES BUILDINGS HAVE A PLACE, AND THOSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE RAISED OFF THE GROUND AND HAVE THE FIRST HABITABLE FLOOR ABOVE PARKING ARE SOME OF OUR MOST RESILIENT STRUCTURES AND HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO REALLY BE, AND I KNOW MY STUDENTS, EVEN MY STUDENTS NEVER WANNA, UH, TAKE THEM.

THE NEXT GENERATION WANTS THOSE BUILDINGS.

THEY CONSIDER THOSE BUILDINGS TO BE, THEY TALK ABOUT THE RAILINGS, THEY TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING.

AND SO, I I I CONSIDER THIS TO BUILDING TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY.

AND THIS, THESE WERE THE NOTES THAT I TOOK FOR MYSELF BEFORE THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION.

AND IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME TO THINK ABOUT THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT'S HAPPENING AROUND IT.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT ALL THAT'S ALL HAPPENING, AND THAT'S ALL PART OF WHAT, WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT.

BUT JUST AS A BUILDING ITSELF, IT IT'S, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, KIND OF PIONEER, UH, THE PRESERVATION OF, UH, OF A SO-CALLED BRUTALIST BUILDING, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH EXPOSED CONCRETE OR PAINTED CONCRETE.

AND IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY ALSO TO SHOW HOW A BUILDING FOR THE CITY TO DEMONSTRATE

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IT'S NOT THAT ANYBODY'S GONNA BE LIVING THERE AND THEIR BED'S GONNA FLOAT OUT THE DOOR, IT'S THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ANTICIPATE THESE FLOODS, THEY'LL MOVE THINGS.

AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THE CITY SHOW PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ALSO, MANY OF WHOM SUFFER FROM THIS SAME ELEVATIONAL CHALLENGE, UM, KIND OF WHAT SOME BEST PRACTICES ARE.

SO I THOUGHT IF THE HISTORIC PRES, IF A HISTORIC PRESERVATION CAN, IF A HISTORICALLY PRESERVED BUILDING CAN BE A MODEL FOR THE FUTURE, UH, OF PRESERVATION, THAT THAT'S A REALLY KIND OF EXCITING PLACE TO BE.

SO I WAS, UM, I WAS ALL SET.

I WAS A LITTLE, UM, I WAS ALL SET FOR THIS, UH, FOR THIS TO BE A KIND OF CONVERSATION ABOUT PUSHING POSSIBLY, UM, THE, THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE HISTORIC IN OUR CITY.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE FACT THAT ONE OF OUR MOST CELEBRATED ARCHITECTS, MORE LAPIDUS, YOU KNOW, AS, AS, UM, HAS BEEN POINTED OUT, UM, DAVID POINTED THIS OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS BUILT BUILDINGS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, EARLIER, UH, NEAR THE WAR AND THEN AFTER THE WAR.

AND, AND THE OTHER THING THAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS BUILDING IS THAT WE WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, STUDIES, UH, THIS PART OF FLAMINGO, THE FLAMINGO, FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND IT'S FASCINATING THAT THE, THIS IS A RESPONSE TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO MOVED INTO THE ART DECO BUILDINGS, UM, IN RIGHT AFTER WORLD WAR II.

SO THE 1940S BUILDINGS, THE 1930S BUILDINGS, IT'S THOSE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE AGING IN PLACE.

AND SO THE IDEA OF FOLLOWING A COMMUNITY AGING IN PLACE AND CELEBRATING A MONUMENT TO THAT COMMUNITY, AGING IN PLACE, I THOUGHT WAS, WAS JUST KIND OF AN AMAZING, UH, AN AMAZING MOMENT FOR THE CITY.

SO I WAS TOTALLY, I WAS TOTALLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT, UM, GOING, GOING INTO THIS.

AND, UH, THAT'S, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF YOU ARE NOT READY TO, OR HAVE EXPRESSED THAT YOU'RE NOT READY TO, UM, TO SUPPORT THIS.

SO, UM, I WOULD BE READY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY TO ACCEPT A MOTION TO, TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.

'CAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT APPROVING IT TODAY.

WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THIS PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD.

UM, BUT SEEING THAT THERE ARE MAYBE MORE CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AMONG BOARD MEMBERS.

SO, UM, THAT, UH, MAYBE YOU'D LIKE TO, ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO CHIME IN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO SO, BRIAN AND, AND SO BRIAN AND THEN RAY, I'D TO SPEAK.

OH, OKAY.

UM, SO LET'S, LET'S DO, UM, LET'S COMPLETE PUBLIC CO UH, COMMENT BEFORE WE DO BOARD.

SO WHY DON'T YOU, WHY DON'T YOU, WE'LL JUST DO THAT FIRST, BECAUSE I THINK WE'D LIKE TO TALK AS A GROUP ABOUT INCLUDING YOUR CONVERSATION.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER, AND, UH, THANK YOU TO THE MEMBERS.

OH, YES.

I, I, GOOD MORNING, SIR.

I NEED YOU TO SWAY YOU IN.

SURE.

UM, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL BE GIVING IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.

AND IF ANY OF THE, UM, BOARD MEMBERS HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, THE CITY COMMISSION VOTED FOR THIS.

SO THEY ARE THE APPLICANTS.

SO THAT'S, UM, WHY YOU'RE HEARING FROM COMMISSIONERS.

NORMALLY WE DON'T HEAR FROM COMMISSIONERS ON APPLICATIONS, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, INSTANT, THE CITY COMMISSION IS THE APPLICANT AND ALSO, UM, YOUR, YOUR RULING SHOULD BE BASED UPON THE CODE, UH, NOT INFLUENCED AT ALL BY WHO THE APPLICANT IS IN THIS MATTER.

AS SPECIFICALLY AS YOU MENTIONED, UM, MR. CHAIR BRUTALIST ARCHITECTURE, WHICH IS OFTEN, WAY TOO OFTEN MISUNDERSTOOD.

AND THANK YOU, MR. ATTORNEY FOR THAT.

UH, I COME HERE BECAUSE I DO RESPECT HIGHLY THE ROLE OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD AS THE EXPERTS IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

AND, UH, AND I RESPECT THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO, YOUR INDEPENDENCE AND YOUR OBJECTIVITY IN MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN OUR CITY CODE.

AND I WOULD ALWAYS ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO DO THAT, UM, AS SOMEONE WHO, WHO HAS JOINED MY COLLEAGUES, UH, COMMISSIONER ROSA GONZALEZ, COMMISSIONER TANYA BOT, UM, IN, IN FIGHTING FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THIS IMPORTANT, UH, BUILDING I STAND, UH, BEFORE YOU IN SUPPORT OF DESIGNATING THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER AS A HISTORIC SITE, A DESIGNATION THAT WOULD HONOR NOT ONLY ITS ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE, SIGNIFICANCE, BUT ALSO IT'S PROFOUND CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE HUMAN FABRIC OF THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.

YOU, YOU ALREADY KNOW THE, UH, THE, THE HISTORY OF THIS BUILDING, UH, BUILT IN 69 OR DESIGNED IN 69 BY MORRIS LAPUS.

AND, UM, AND YOU ALL KNOW THE, UH, GREAT WORK THAT HE'S DONE WITH OUR GLAMOROUS HOTELS, WHETHER IT BE THE FOUNTAIN BLUE OR THE EDEN ROCK.

BUT THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER STANDS APART AS IT REPRESENTS AN EVOLUTION IN HIS WORK, EMBRACING PURPOSEFUL FORM OF MODERNISM,

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UH, BUT IT'S BOLD CONCRETE DESIGN REFLECTS THE STRENGTH AND THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THIS BUILDING, WHICH WAS NEVER JUST ABOUT AESTHETICS ALONE.

UH, THIS BUILDING, AS I UNDERSTAND, WAS ALL ABOUT SERVING THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT MOST.

AND THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT THIS CENTER HAS DONE AND HAS DONE FOR DECADES AND HOPEFULLY WILL CONTINUE TO DO FOR DECADES, UH, IN, IN OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, TODAY, IT'S, IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF, OF EMBRACING ITS HISTORY.

IT IS STILL SERVING THE COMMUNITY TODAY.

AND, AND IT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY IN THE FUTURE.

AND WHILE THERE'S GREAT DEBATE ABOUT, ABOUT OTHER NEEDS IN OUR COMMUNITY, ABOUT FACILITIES, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES THAT WE NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO LEARN HOW TO COEXIST THE FUTURE NEEDS OF PUBLIC SAFETY TOGETHER WITH A NEED OF PRESERVING OUR HISTORY, UH, AND ESPECIALLY THE OPPORTUNITY TO PER, TO PRESERVE THIS BRUTALIST BUILDING WHEN WE HAVE NOT HAD TOO MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO ENGAGE IN DESIGNATION OF THIS SPECIFIC STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE.

SO I STAND HERE BEFORE YOU, UM, JUST TO SHARE MY OPINION OF HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO PRESERVE THIS BUILDING.

IT IS A UNIQUE STYLE THAT, UH, IT OFTEN TAKES TIME TO APPRECIATE.

UM, BUT ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN THROUGH THIS BUILDING CAN TELL YOU THE FUNCTIONALITY AND THE BEAUTY OF THIS BUILDING TRULY IS IN THE INSIDE OF, OF, OF ITS WALLS.

FROM THE OUTSIDE, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A CONCRETE STRUCTURE FROM THE INSIDE, IT BREATHES LIGHT.

UH, YOU SEE THE OUTSIDE AND YOU SEE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF SPACES WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAN BE EMBRACED AND CONTINUE TO SERVE THE MOST UNDERSERVED IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHOSE FABRIC, UH, AND WHOSE CONTRIBUTIONS WE NEED TO PRESERVE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND THANK YOU COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

AND I THINK WE MAY HAVE A FIRE IN THE BUILDING.

THAT'S A FIRE ALARM.

ALRIGHT, SO I THINK WE'VE CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY APPLICANT RESPONSE.

SO, UM, RAY, YOU LOOK POISED TO SAY SOMETHING.

UM, I HAVE REALLY NO PROBLEM IN DE DESIGNATING THIS AS A HISTORIC BUILDING IF IT'S RETURNED TO THE ORIGINAL CONDITION THAT MORRIS LAB IS BUILT.

AND IF THERE'S NOT A COMMITMENT TO DO THAT, I CAN'T SAY THAT THIS CAN BE A HISTORIC STRUCTURE.

I HAVE NO, UH, UH, I MEAN, IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT BUILDING.

IT, IT HAS A LOT OF FUNCTION FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT SO DID THE 21ST STREET RECREATION CENTER ON WASHINGTON AVENUE, THAT GOT TORN DOWN BECAUSE THE CONVENTION CENTER WANTED TO EXPAND AND ALL THOSE SERVICES GOT REPOSITIONED SOMEPLACE ELSE.

SO I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I, I UNDERSTAND WHY THE COMMISSION WANTS TO SAVE THIS BUILDING, AND I DO BELIEVE IT HAS ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE.

AND I ALSO THINK SINCE, UH, IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY, UH, COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ THAT THE INTERIOR IS MOST IMPORTANT, I THINK WE SHOULD ALL BE GIVING A TOUR.

BUT FOR NOW, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE CONTINUED.

IN TERM TERMS OF USAGE METRICS, UM, TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE CENTER CURRENTLY SERVES ITS RESIDENTS AND WHAT, AND THE QUANTITIES AND THE METRICS AROUND THAT.

CAN I ? YES.

BRIAN, UM, I THINK JUST IN LIGHT OF EVERYONE'S COMMENTS, PERHAPS WE COULD, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, MAYBE I CAN MAKE A MOTION.

I, I JUST WANT TO ECHO, UM, MY COLLEAGUES ON MOST OF THE POINTS, AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR THE COMMISSION FOR, FOR GIVING US ALL OF THAT ADDED DETAIL AND THAT CONTEXT ABOUT, UM, THE DECISIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN CONFRONTED WITH.

AND I'M SORRY.

UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN FOLLOWING ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS, UM, VARIOUS EVENTS, UH, I I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A COMMIT, UH, A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM FOR THREE MONTHS, I THINK, OR A FEW MONTHS, HOWEVER MANY MONTHS, YOU KNOW, THE CITY STAFF CAN HELP US IN MAKING A DECISION.

LOOK, I I DON'T WANT IT TO BE MISCHARACTERIZED, AT LEAST ON, ON MY, UM, YOU KNOW, BEHALF.

I, I DO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ARCHITECTURAL AND HIS HISTORICAL INTEGRITY OF THIS BUILDING.

I THINK THAT THE BRUTALIST, UM, ARCHITECTURE, THE CONCRETE FINISHES, THE RIBBON WINDOWS, THE STAIRCASE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CENTRAL WATER FEATURE, THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT, UM, CERTAINLY RESONATE WITH ME.

AND, UH, HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION AND I THINK IT'S FAIR TO GET MORE INFORMATION.

UH, TO RAY'S POINT, I WOULD LIKE A TOUR OF THIS BUILDING.

I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND FROM A DATA PERSPECTIVE HOW THIS BUILDING IS USED

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UM, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE ASSESSING THE REPAIRABILITY OF THE COMPROMISED ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OR, OR NOT, YOU KNOW, TO COMMISSIONER BOT'S POINT.

IF THERE, IF, IF THERE, IF THERE ARE, IF IT'S NOT AN OVERWHELMING, YOU KNOW, AMOUNT OF REPAIRS, THEN I, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT THAT IS THE CASE IN SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, ASSESSMENT.

UM, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO EXPOSED CONCRETE OR WATER INTRUSION OR ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS.

UM, YEAH.

AND THEN LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF TAKE A, THE PULSE AND TO, TO, TO TALK TO THE COMMISSIONERS.

I WOULD LOVE TO SPEAK WITH COMMISSIONER ROSEN GONZALEZ AND OTHERS, UM, WHO I HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH ONE-ON-ONE TO HAVE GREATER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THEIR VISION FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PLACE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR THAT WE CONTINUE FOR PERHAPS TWO MONTHS OR THREE MONTHS, HOWEVER MANY MONTHS, DEBBIE BELIEVES THAT WE CAN PERHAPS GIVE US SOME MORE INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION.

SO IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

NOW I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THE MOTION WITH DEBBIE BECAUSE, UM, THERE ARE A FEW FACTORS.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE DEBBIE'S OKAY WITH LIKE ALL OF YOUR, THE REQUEST, BECAUSE THE MOTION'S PRETTY SPECIFIC.

THERE'S A TOUR, UM, MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE, UM, HOW ABOUT THE MATERIALS? ITS ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS, MATERIALITY OF THE BUILDING, THE REPAIRABILITY OF FEATURES.

AND DID YOU, RAY ALSO HAD AN, AN ADDITIONAL AD, WHICH WAS THAT THE BUILDING, I GUESS GETS RETURNED TO ITS ORIGINAL BUILT CONDITION, RIGHT? THAT'S THE, YEAH, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION JUST TO THROW IN.

YEAH, YEAH.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH THAT ARE HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED, LIKE THE BASS MUSEUM AND, AND YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT.

I WANNA KNOW IF THEY ARE.

I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT IT'S IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO RAY WAS ASKING HOW THIS WOULD COMPARE TO ITS OTHER SISTER SINGLE SINGULARLY, UH, DESIGNATED, UM, BUILDINGS.

'CAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS, UM, TECHNICALLY OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC, THE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.

IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, IT'S CONTAINED WITHIN THE FLAMING PARK.

IT'S, SO IT'S ALREADY UNDER THE REVIEW OF THE, WHICH IS WHY, YOU KNOW, THE PREVIOUS PROJECT CAME BEFORE YOU BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S ALREADY UNDER HISTORIC PRESERVATION JURISDICTION BECAUSE IT'S LOCATED WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE DOZEN INDIVIDUALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC SITES, UM, SOME OF WHICH ARE IN FLAMENCO PARK.

WE DO HAVE OLD CITY HALL, THAT'S AN INDIVIDUAL SITE THAT'S ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO THE DISTRICT.

AND SAME WITH THE, WITH THE BASS MUSEUM.

IT IS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING IN THE DISTRICT DUE TO ITS PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION AND ITS CONTINUITY WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT.

SO IT, IT, THIS WOULD STILL BE IN THE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, AND IF IT WOULD FORWARD WOULD ALSO BE INDIVIDUALLY DESIGNATED SIMILAR TO OLD CITY HALL.

IT HAS TWO DESIGNATIONS.

IT HAS INDIVIDUAL AND IT'S PART OF A DISTRICT.

UM, AND I ALSO HAD, SO SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS MOTION, UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEING REQUESTED IS, UM, WOULD BE PART OF LIKE, SAY, SAY WE VOTE TO, TO HAVE A NEW, IT WOULD BASICALLY BE HAVING A NEW, UM, KIND OF REPORT WITH A, WITH SOME EXTRA KIND OF FEATURES TO IT AND HAVE A, A TOUR.

AND THE TOUR WOULD HAVE TO BE INDIVIDUAL OR WOULD IT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE INDIVIDUAL.

RIGHT? WE COULDN'T DO IT AS A GROUP.

IF, IF WE DID IT AS A GROUP, WE'D HAVE TO NOTICE IT PUBLICLY NOTICE AS, AS A SUNSHINE MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, WHICH WOULD THEN ALLOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO ALSO ATTEND THAT MEETING.

UM, WE COULD DO EITHER ONE.

UM, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, I COULD CERTAINLY REACH OUT, UM, TO THE APPROPRIATE, UH, CITY STAFF TO ARRANGE INDIVIDUAL TOURS OR, UM, A SINGLE TOUR.

AND WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE, UM, THE IDEA OF THREE MONTHS? IS THAT, YEAH, THREE MONTHS WOULD BE THE MARCH 11TH MEETING, AND THAT IS WITHIN THE 120 DAYS.

UM, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND IT BE THE MARCH 11TH MEETING.

I'M ALSO KIND OF INTERESTED IN THE PROJECT MOVING, KIND OF KEEPING STAFF WORKING ON THE DESIGNATION REPORT FOR US, LIKE OVERALL TO SEE IF WE CAN HAVE SOME MOTION ON IT, UNDERSTANDING WE NEED TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION, OBVIOUSLY BEFORE WE VOTE ON ANY DESIGNATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

AND, UM, SINCE IT, UH, UM, YEAH, IT'S, WELL, I DID WANNA SEE IF WE, IF WE, I DON'T KNOW, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A, I'M STILL INTERESTED IN, IN, IN HAVING THIS INFORMATION COME BACK TO US AND HAVING US HAVE THE TOURS AND EVERYTHING AS, BUT

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UM, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY STOMACH IN AMONG THIS GROUP FOR, UM, FOR A MOTION THAT WOULD, THAT MIGHT, UM, THAT MIGHT, UH, IN, THAT MIGHT SUPPORT THE MOVING FORWARD? WHICH IS WHAT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE, THE RECOMMENDATION IS JUST LIKE CON OBJECTIVELY THERE HAS BEEN A RE CONTINUE WITH THE, UM, UH, WHERE IS THE RECOMMENDATION CAN, UH, DIRECT DEPARTMENT TO PREPARE A FORMAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION REPORT FOR THE PROPOSED COMMITTEE? MR. MR. CHAIR? YES, GO AHEAD.

YOU DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON WE DO THE DEFERRAL OR THE CONTINUANCE OF IT.

SO THAT DOES TAKE, UH, PRIORITY.

SO, UM, I'M STILL CONSIDERING THIS, THE DISCUSSION RIGHT.

BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE VOTE, WE'LL VOTE ON THAT TOO.

UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS FIRST VOTE, I WANT TO SEE IF THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, IF ANYBODY HAD STOMACH FOR THIS OTHER, FOR THIS OTHER OPTION, JUST TO SEE IF IT WEIGHS YOU IN.

LAURA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY? OH, GO AHEAD.

SORRY.

HAS, DID YOU, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? OH, EXCUSE ME.

UM, I THINK OBJECTIVELY IT MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR A HISTORIC SITE WHERE PREVIOUSLY IT MIGHT NOT HAVE MET, UM, FOR A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

SO I DEFINITELY AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE, UM, MORE RESEARCH MOVING FORWARD.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF THE, THE WIDER , YOU KNOW, PROJECT AND THE FEASIBILITY OF ACTUALLY RESTORING THE SITE.

SO PERSONALLY, I DO THINK OBJECTIVELY IT MEETS THE CRITERIA OF HISTORIC STATE.

HASKELL, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING ELSE? YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD TO IT.

BRIAN HAD SAID, I THINK IT WAS JUST THAT ONE STEP AT A TIME, MAKE THIS INITIAL MOTION WHERE WE GET THIS INITIAL INFORMATION, THEN WE'LL MAKE A MORE INFORMED DECISION LATER ON AS TO HOW WE WANNA PROCEED.

NOT ENCUMBER STAFF WITH ADDITIONAL STUDIES OR SO FORTH.

JUST GET US WHAT WE WANT AT THIS TIME.

YEAH, I MEAN, I JUST, IN CLOSING, I JUST WANNA SAY I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARE, WHO ARE LISTENING RIGHT NOW THINKING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW ARE SUPPORTIVE, I, I'M VERY OPEN-MINDED TO A POTENTIAL DESIGNATION, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT I NEED.

UM, THIS PAUSE ISN'T ABOUT STALLING PROGRESS, IT'S ABOUT LAYING A STRONGER FOUNDATION FOR THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE AS A BOARD TOGETHER.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE IT'S NECESSARY.

DID YOU WANNA WEIGH IN ELIZABETH? YES.

UM, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY MAYBE WHAT I SAID BEFORE, AND I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC AND THE EDUCATION I RECEIVED ON THIS BUILDING.

AND IT'S NOT THAT I, I'M, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF THE BUILDING, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT BUILDINGS NOT ON, UM, SPECIFIC SITE SPECIFIC.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CITY AS A WHOLE AND HAVE LIKE A, A KIND OF A MASTER PLANNING OR A BIRD'S EYE VIEW LOOK AT THINGS.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER HOW THIS BUILDING PLAYS AMONG ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED IN THE PAST AND MAYBE MORE BUILDINGS IN THE FUTURE.

AND I THINK WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY WITH THESE BUILDINGS ONCE WE DESIGNATE THEM HISTORICALLY, WE NEED TO BE PREPARED TO PRESERVE THEM IN THE FUTURE.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND FROM A MASTER PLAN STANDPOINT WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS OF ONE MORE BUILDING THAT NEED WILL BE UNDER OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PRESERVE.

BUT YES, I APPRECIATE HAVING SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

WE'VE GOT A, A MOTION A SECOND.

AND IT'S, I THINK THE BUILDING MERITS THIS DESIGNATION, WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER OF THE MOVING PIECES.

MM-HMM .

AND I WOULD JUST ADD THAT I, I TOTALLY AGREE THAT WE WOULD DEFINITELY NEED MORE INFORMATION BEFORE EVER DESIGNATING THIS AND AGREEING TO THE DESIGNATION.

I THINK MORE OF INFORMATION WOULD COME FROM THE DESIGNATION REPORT AND THE WORK THAT THE STAFF WERE BASICALLY ASKING THEM TO DO THE WORK THAT THEY NEED TO DO ANYWAY TO GET THE INFORMATION.

I, SO, UM, SO I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THE IDEA OF, OF THE DELAY AT THIS POINT, BUT I WILL.

BUT YOU'RE, YOU GUYS ARE, WE'RE GONNA VOTE AND SEE HOW THAT GOES.

AND, UM, BUT I'M TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF, OF GETTING MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE EVER VOTE ON THE DESIGNATION.

I THINK EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD CAN AGREE THAT WE WOULD NEED THAT NEED I THE TOUR AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

AND SO ANYWAY, WITH THAT, UM, DO YOU WANNA CALL, UH,

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SURE.

I WILL CALL THE ROLE, UH, I'M SORRY, DEBBIE, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT'S THE MOTION AT THE TABLE NOW? AND DEBBIE, DO YOU WANT TO TRY TO SUMMARIZE MY MOTION AND ALL AND PROPOSAL? 'CAUSE I, I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING VERSUS THE WHAT'S ON THE MOTION.

MY PROPOSAL, JUST BEFORE DEBBIE GETS INTO WHAT'S ON THE TABLE, MY PROPOSAL IS TO REC, IS TO TAKE THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION PLUS THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD FOR THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED, INCLUDING THE TOURS AND THINGS LIKE THIS.

UM, SO THAT WE'LL BE MORE UP TO DATE, BUT JUST, BUT KEEP TO KEEP THE STAFF MOVING ON THIS, UM, IF POSSIBLE.

IS THAT THE PROPOSAL? BUT NO, NO.

THE VOTE IS, THE VOTE IS TO WAIT THREE IS TO, IS TO, UM, CONTINUE, CONTINUE FOR THREE MONTHS.

AND WELL, DEBBIE, YOU, YOU CAN TELL US WHAT, WHAT, YEAH.

UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE MOTION IS TO CONTINUE THIS APPLICATION, UM, TO THE MARCH 11TH MEETING AND DURING THE TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THE MARCH 11TH MEETING TO ARRANGE, UH, TOURS FOR BOARD MEMBERS OF THE BUILDING AND ALSO BRING BACK THE MARCH 11TH MEETING, UM, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WITH REGARD TO THE EXISTING, UH, CONDITION OF THE BUILDING, ANY REPAIRS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE DONE TO THE BUILDING, AN INITIAL FEASIBILITY.

AND THEN, AND RAY, THIS IS TO YOUR POINT, IF THE BUILDING COULD BE RESTORED BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL DESIGN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DETAIL WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET WITH REGARD TO THAT.

UM, BUT I THINK FOR CERTAIN WE COULD BRING YOU BACK SOME INFORMATION AS WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE, DO, DONE, UM, TO RESTORE THE BUILDING BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL DESIGN.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT ANY, ANY CURRENT PROJECTS OR, UM, PLANS TO, YOU KNOW, REDUCE WATER INTRUSION OR, OR ANY, UM, STRUCTURAL REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.

AND THEN ANY COST CONSIDERATIONS IF, TO THE EXTENT OF WHICH THAT CAN BE PRESENTED, I UNDER UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY INVOLVED YEP.

WE CAN BRING YOU BACK WHATEVER INFORMATION WE'RE ABLE TO OBTAIN WITH REGARD TO, UH, FUTURE BUDGETING FOR THE, FOR THIS BUILDING.

JUST TO PUT, JUST TO PUT IT OUT THERE.

ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING THIS WORK FOR US ANYWAY, IS TO HAVE THEM WORK ON THE DESIGNATION REPORT AND HAVE A THREE MONTH UPDATE IN MARCH.

IF WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE THIS, HAVE THE DE THE DATE, BUT NOT, SEE, I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE KIND OF TELLING THEM TO DO THE DESIGNATION REPORT AND THEN WE'RE SAYING, BUT, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA VOTE BECAUSE, WELL, I THINK MY CONCERN, WE'RE NOT VOTING ANYWAY ON THE DESIGNATION YET.

WE WOULDN'T DO THAT UNTIL WE HAVE ONE.

BUT MY CONCERN IS, IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE PROCESS IN WHICH THE DESIGNATION OCCURS, ESSENTIALLY BY SIGNING OFF ON STEP NUMBER THREE, I BELIEVE IS WHAT WE'RE AT, OR PERHAPS IT'S STEP TWO, THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE KIND OF BLESSING THE DESIGNATION THE WAY THAT I, THE WAY THAT I READ THE, THE, THE STEP-BY-STEP PROCESS.

AND I THINK FOR ME, I, THE, THE FIRST PRELIMINARY DESIGNATION, I'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MEET MY SATISFACTION FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT NEXT PHASE.

THAT'S WHY I HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE FOR THE CONTINUANCE SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION THAT DEBBIE JUST OUTLINED, AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT STEP OF THE PROCESS, ASSUMING WE HAVE THAT.

SO I WILL CALL THE ROLL DISCUSSION IS CONCLUDED.

UH, MR. BRESLIN? YES.

MS. WEINSTEIN BERMAN, YES.

SO THAT IS CONTINUED TO THE MARCH 11TH MEETING, AND I'LL BE REACHING OUT TO, TO THE BOARD MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY TO JUST TRY AND SET UP THAT, THAT TOUR, AND I MEAN, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, I MEAN, THIS BUILDING IS STILL PROTECTED BECAUSE IT'S IN A HISTORIC ZONE IN, IN A DISTRICT.

IT'S NOT LIKE, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S HANGING OUT THERE BEING READY TO BE TORN DOWN.

AND THAT'S PART OF OUR, OUR THOUGHT PROCESS IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, IS THAT ENOUGH PROTECTION OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED? AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

WE CERTAINLY WILL.

SO SHALL WE MOVE ON? UM, YES.

UM, THANK YOU EVERYONE.

UM, THE NEXT APPLICATIONS ARE, ARE, UH, WITH REGARD TO SPECIFIC SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

UM, I WOULD REQUEST THAT I READ EACH THREE OF THESE APPLICATIONS INTO THE RECORD AT ONCE, UM, PRESENT THEM ALL AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR PRESENTATION AND THEN, UM, MOVE FORWARD AS THEY ARE A GROUP AND BE VOTED ON, UM, TOGETHER.

IS THAT, YEAH,

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THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

[ HPB24-0613, 1810-1818 Michigan Avenue.]

THE HOME WAS, WAS PURCHASED BY HENRY HUBBLE.

SO THE FIRST, UH, APPLICATION IS HPV 24 0 6 1 3.

THIS IS 1810 AND 1818 MICHIGAN AVENUE AND APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING AN AFTER THE FACT CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.

THE SECOND APPLICATION IS SPECIFIC TO 1810 MICHIGAN AVENUE, AND THIS IS HPB 24 0 6 1 4.

AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON AN EXISTING VACANT LOT.

THIRD APPLICATION IS SPECIFIC TO 1818 MICHIGAN AVENUE, AND THIS IS HPB 24 0 615.

AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON AN EXISTING VACANT LOT AND VARIANCES FROM THE SETBACK LOT COVERAGE AND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, STAFF HAS PROVIDED A, A HISTORY FOR THE, THE REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION.

UM, THE PROPERTY WAS OWNED FOR A VERY LONG TIME BY, UM, A COUPLE, UM, AND UNTIL RECENTLY, UM, WAS FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, NOT MAINTAINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS, UH, FOR MANY YEARS.

AND, YOU KNOW, AN UNFORTUNATE EVENT HAPPENED WHERE THE COUPLE WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY PASSED AWAY.

UM, THEIR ESTATE WAS TURNED OVER TO, UM, A ENTITY TO MANAGE THE ESTATE AND ULTIMATELY WITH THE GOAL OF SELLING THE ASSETS, UM, AND FINALIZING THAT ESTATE PROCESS IN MAY 26TH, 2023, UM, THERE WERE VIOLATIONS ISSUED FOR BOTH 1810 AND 1818 MICHIGAN AVENUE, UM, RESULTING IN UNSAFE STRUCTURES.

SO THERE WERE TWO UNSAFE STRUCTURES.

THESE WERE BUILDING CODE VIOLATIONS, UM, THAT WAS ISSUED ON MAY A YEAR, ABOUT A YEAR LATER IN MAY OF 2024 AS A RESULT OF AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION ORDERED BY THE CITY'S BUILDING OFFICIAL PERMITS FOR THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF BOTH HOMES, UM, WERE ISSUED.

AND THE, THE STRUCTURES WERE SUBSEQUENTLY DEMOLISHED ON NOVEMBER 26TH, 2024.

THE BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD ACTUALLY REVIEWED A LOT SPLIT.

UM, AND, AND WHAT MAKES THIS COMPLICATED IS OVER THE YEARS, THESE PROPERTIES, WHILE ORIGINALLY INDIVIDUAL LOTS WERE THE SUBJECT OF A LOT OF UNPERMITTED CONSTRUCTION THAT ACTUALLY ENDED UP HAVING THE EFFECT OF COMBINING THE PROPERTIES.

UM, WHICH IS WHY THIS IS COMING TO YOU AS ONE APPLICATION FOR THE, THE DEMOLITION OF TWO DIFFERENT HOMES.

SO ALL OF THE UNPERMITTED WORK REALLY HAD THE EFFECT OF AGGREGATING ALL OF THESE SITES INTO ONE PROPERTY FOR ZONING PURPOSES.

UM, SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH EACH OF THE BUILDINGS SEPARATELY AND RESPOND TO THE, UM, THAT'S SO DISTRACTING.

, UM, RESPOND TO THE PRESUMPTIONS BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS COMING TO YOU AS AN AFTER THE FACT DEMOLITION.

THE BUILDINGS WERE DEMOLISHED WITHOUT PREVIOUS APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD.

AND WE DO HAVE, UM, AND WE HAVE EVALUATED WHAT THE EXISTING PRESUMPTIONS ARE.

SO, 1818 MICHIGAN AVENUE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1925.

I MEAN, THIS WAS A, JAKE REALLY TOOK A DEEP DIVE INTO THE HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY, AND IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING.

UM, IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED IN 1925, DESIGNED BY INTERNATIONALLY RENOWNED FROM SCHULTZ AND WEAVER.

AMAZING, RIGHT? THEY DESIGNED THE BILTMORE AND CORAL CABLES, THE WALDORF ASTORIA IN, IN NEW YORK, THE FREEDOM TOWER.

UM, IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED, UM, NOT AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT AS A MODEL FOR A LARGE, UM, COOPERATIVE APARTMENT PROJECT THAT WAS, UM, PROPOSED WITHIN MIAMI BEACH.

THAT LARGER DEVELOPMENT AS TO WHICH 1818 WAS TO SERVE AS THE MODEL TO ENTICE BUYERS ACTUALLY NEVER OCCURRED.

UM, SO IN 1928, THE HOUSE, UM, THE BUILDING WAS LISTED FOR SALE, UM, AND WAS USED BY DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AS A TEMPORARY CLUBHOUSE.

UM, IN 1929,

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HE WAS KIND OF A FASCINATING PERSON.

HE'S NOTED AS A MYSTIC, HE WAS A PORTRAIT ARTIST.

UM, AND IT JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO TOO MUCH LENGTH, BUT IN OUR ANALYSIS, IT'S A REALLY FASCINATING, UM, AND IMPORTANT, UH, PART OF THE CITY'S HISTORY.

SO WE DO THINK THAT THIS BUILDING IS, YOU KNOW, HIGHLY SIGNIFICANT, UM, BOTH ARCHITECTURALLY AND HISTORICALLY IN TERMS OF, UM, THE EVENTS.

AND WE COME TO OUR FIRST PRESUMPTION, WHICH IS, UM, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD SHALL DETERMINE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS WHETHER THE REPLICATION OF AN ORIGINAL CONTRIBUTING BUILDING IS WARRANTED.

UM, THE POLICY OF THE CITY SHALL BE THAT A PRESUMPTION THAT SHALL BE A PRESUMPTION THAT A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING THAT IS DEMOLISHED WITHOUT OBTAINING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD BE REPLICATED.

UM, THIS PRESUMPTION MAY BE REBUTTED, UM, FOR, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CRITERIA, AND I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH THOSE FOR THIS FIRST ONE QUICKLY.

UM, IT CAN BE REBUTTED IF A FULL REPLICATION OR CONTEMPORARY DEPICTION IS NOT REQUIRED TO UNDERSTAND AND INTERPRET A PROPERTY'S HISTORICAL VALUE.

NUMBER TWO, OTHER PROPERTIES WITH THE SAME ASSOCIATIVE VALUE HAVE SURVIVED, OR THREE, SUFFICIENT HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION DOES NOT EXIST TO ENSURE AN ACCURATE REPRODUCTION IN RELATION TO CRITERIA THREE ABOVE.

ALTHOUGH PLANS ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE ORIGINAL 1925 PORTION OF THE BUILDING, NO PLANS EXIST FOR THE 1929 RENOVATIONS, WHICH INTRODUCED MAJOR SITE ELEMENTS THAT BECAME THE FAMILIAR POSTCARD, UM, THAT WE'VE ALL SEEN A MILLION TIMES OF THE COLLINS CANAL.

CONSEQUENTLY, STAFF BELIEVES THAT NUMBER THREE IS ONLY PARTIALLY SATISFIED AND WOULD NOT RECOMMEND A COMPLETE REPLICATION OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING BUILDING.

STAFF WOULD NOTE, HOWEVER, THAT THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT DESIGN INCLUDES A PARTIAL RECONSTRUCTION, UM, AND INCORPORATES SIGNIFICANT ELEMENTS OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING BUILDING.

SO AGAIN, THIS ONE IS, IS SOMEWHAT OF A HYBRID.

IN TERMS OF OUR RECOMMENDATION, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT, UH, TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE, THE PARTIAL RECOMMENDATION BE REQUIRED, THE PARTIAL RECONSTRUCTION BE REQUIRED.

UM, NOW TO THE SECOND PRESUMPTION IS THAT IF THE BOARD DETERMINES THAT REPLICATION IS NOT WARRANTED DUE TO THE CRITERIA, UM, IT IS THE PRESUMPTION OF THE BOARD THAT THE NEW STRUCTURE BE LIMITED TO THE HEIGHT, MASSING AND SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING BUILDING.

THIS PRESUMPTION MAY BE REBUTTED, UM, IF THE PROPOSED NEW STRUCTURE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER AND CONTEXT OF THE IMMEDIATE AREA, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER MADE A REASONABLE EFFORT TO REGULARLY INSPECT AND MAINTAIN THE STRUCTURE FREE OF DEFICIENCIES AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MINIMUM MAINTENANCE STANDARD.

UM, AS NOTED, UH, THE REPLACEMENT BILL, SORRY, THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION.

UM, STAFF WOULD NOTE THAT THE COMPANION APPLICATION FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOME HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.

STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, AND WE'LL GET INTO THIS IN MORE DETAIL, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER CONTEXT OF THE IMMEDIATE AREA.

UM, WE DO ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER HAS MADE EVERY REASONABLE EFFORT TO INSPECT AND MAINTAIN THE STRUCTURE, UH, FREE OF DEFICIENCIES.

UNFORTUNATELY, IN, UM, WHEN THE CURRENT OWNER ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY IN 2021, THERE WERE SERIOUS ISSUES, UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROPERTY IN TERMS OF ITS SEA WALL AND SIGNIFICANT POTENTIAL DAMAGE THAT IT COULD BE, COULD DO, NOT ONLY WITH THE HOME COLLAPSING, BUT ALSO, UH, SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT COULD HAVE HAD SHOULD THE BUILDING HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED.

UM, WITH REGARD TO 1810 MICHIGAN AVENUE.

SO WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE BOARD, UM, REQUIRING PARTIAL RECONSTRUCTION FOR 18 18 18 10.

MICHIGAN AVENUE, UM, AGAIN, WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1925.

UM, IT WAS ALSO RELATED TO THE HUBBLE'S.

UM, HENRY HUBBLE'S SON WAS THE PRESIDENT OF A CONTRACTING FIRM, HUBBLE AND HUBBLE, WHO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED THE BUILDING.

UM, THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE WAS MUCH MORE MODEST

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AND MUCH LESS CHARACTERISTIC THAN THE 1818, WHICH WE BELIEVE, UM, IS OF, OF EXTRAORDINARY SIGNIFICANCE TO THE CITY.

UM, IT WAS A MODEST EXAMPLE OF THE MEDITERRANEAN REVIVAL, UH, STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE.

UM, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO DATE THIS PHOTOGRAPH, BUT ON PAGE 10, UM, WAS A RELATIVELY EARLY PHOTOGRAPH OF THE BUILDING.

UM, REGARDING THE TWO PRESUMPTIONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR HOME, UM, STAFF HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO LOCATE ANY ORIGINAL PLANS FOR THIS BUILDING.

UM, ADDITIONALLY WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO LOCATE ANY EARLIER PHOTOGRAPHS OTHER THAN THE ONE ON PAGE 10, WHICH WE DO NOT BELIEVE IT'S IT'S ORIGINAL DESIGN.

WE DO BELIEVE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME ALTERATIONS, UM, AT THE TIME OF THIS PHOTOGRAPH.

UM, SO CONSEQUENTLY WE DO NOT RECOMMEND THAT THE BOARD REQUIRE THE REPLICATION OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING.

UM, WE DO NOT BELIEVE IT SATISFIES THE CRITERIA.

UM, WITH REGARD TO, UM, THE PRESUMPTION NUMBER TWO REGARDING THE LIMITATIONS ON THE BUILDING SIZE AND HEIGHT, UM, WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT, UH, THE BOARD SHOULD NOT REQUIRE ANY, UM, LIMITATIONS OTHER THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THE CITY CODE BECAUSE THE CRITERIA THAT THE NEW STRUCTURE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, WITH THE CONTEXT AND CHARACTER OF THE IMMEDIATE AREA, WE BELIEVE IS SATISFIED.

AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER MADE EVERY REASONABLE EFFORT TO INSPECT AND MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY.

THEREFORE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE APPROVAL OF THE, UM, REQUEST FOR DE AFTER THE FACT DEMOLITION WITH THE CONDITIONS OUTLINED IN OUR REPORT.

AND ONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS IS WITH REGARD TO, UM, 1818 MICHIGAN AVENUE, THAT IT BE PARTIALLY RECONSTRUCTED IN CO ACCORDANCE WITH THE, WITH THE COMPANION APPLICATION.

UM, I ALSO JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, I HAVE BEEN, UM, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH, UM, SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE FLAMING OF THE PALM VIEW HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, IN THE PALM VIEW SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

UM, THEY HAVE HAD A ROUGH TIME DEALING WITH THESE PROPERTIES OVER MANY YEARS.

UM, THE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CURRENT OWNER IS MAINTAINING THE PROPERTIES, UM, THE VACANT LOTS, EVEN, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR, OUR LEGAL REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF FENCING, LANDSCAPING.

UM, AND SO WE ARE JUST, UM, PUTTING THAT OUT THERE.

WE BELIEVE, UM, WE'VE BEEN NOTIFIED BY THE APPLICANT REPRESENTING THE OWNERS THAT THEY ARE DOING EVERYTHING.

UM, WE ALSO WANTED TO PUT AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT BOTH OF THESE PROPERTIES BE POSTED WITH A, UM, A NO TRESPASSING SIGN PROVIDED BY THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ENTER THE PROPERTY, SHOULD THERE BE ANY, UM, ANY ILLICIT ACTIVITY OR, OR CONCERNS.

SO LET'S GO TO 18, 18 FIRST.

THAT'S THE, THE CHALLENGING ONE IN TERMS OF THE NEW DESIGN.

UM, SO WE ARE JUST, JUST DEBBIE, JUST TO INTERRUPT YOU SO THAT WE WOULD BE VOTING ON THAT FIRST PART AT SOME POINT.

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE US TO, AND IT, IT'S UP TO THE BOARD.

WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT WE LOOK AT THE NEW DESIGNS MM-HMM .

PRIOR TO VOTING ON THE DEMOLITION, BECAUSE THE DEMOLITION DOES HAVE THE, THE CONDITION WITH REGARD TO 1818 MM-HMM .

AND THAT'S REALLY TIED INTO THEIR PROPOSAL FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.

IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION AND, AND I JUST THOUGHT WE NEEDED A, A KIND OF A TABLE, A LITTLE TABLE OF CONTENT SET FOR WE WERE, I THINK FOR CERTAIN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE FIRST APPLICATION.

NOW WE COULD THAT ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE FIRST APPLICATION? OKAY, THEN LET'S CONTINUE AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT.

UM, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT PRACTICAL DI DIFFICULTIES THAT, UM, DO WARRANT THE GRANTING OF THE VARIANCES.

SO 1818, UH, MICHIGAN AVENUE IS REQUESTING THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THEIR NEW DESIGN AS WELL AS, UM, SEVERAL VARIANCES.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSING THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

UM, ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT A TRUE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING HOME, THE DESIGN, UH, DOES BEAR VERY STRONG RESEMBLANCE TO ITS PREDECESSOR, ESPECIALLY WHEN VIEWED FROM THE COLLINS CANAL, WHICH STAFF BELIEVES IS PERHAPS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY.

HISTORICALLY, UM, IT, IT IS PROPOSED TO BE MODIFIED, EVEN LOOKING AT THE CANAL, THE SEA WALL HAS WILL, WILL BE TREMENDOUSLY HIGHER THAN IT IS NOW.

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UM, AS WELL AS THE HOME.

THE HOME IS PROPOSED TO BE ELEVATED TO THE REQUIRED BASE FLOOD ELEVATION PLUS FREEBOARD.

UM, BUT THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ALONG THE CANAL WILL BEAR A STRONG RESEMBLANCE TO THE ORIGINAL HOME.

UM, ON PAGE EIGHT THERE YOU SEE THE POSTCARD.

UM, AND THEN BELOW THAT YOU CAN SEE THE RENDERING OF THE PROPOSED HOME.

SO WE WOULD CONSIDER THIS A PARTIAL RECONSTRUCTION.

AND WE DO THINK, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, WITH, UM, MS. MCCONNEY FOR QUITE SOME TIME TO REALLY REFINE THE DETAILS OF THE PROPOSED HOME IN ORDER TO MAKE IT AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE.

UM, AND WE ARE HIGHLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS APPLICATION, UM, WHICH IS A REMINDER OF THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE SITE.

AND WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL NOW DUE TO THE UNIQUENESS, NOT ONLY OF THE, THE SHAPE OF THIS LOT, BUT ALSO THE FACT THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING PARTIAL REPLICATION OR RECONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING.

THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED, LET'S SEE, FIVE VARIANCES.

UM, THE FIRST VARIANCE IS TO REDUCE BY UP TO 30 FEET, THE MINIMUM REQUIRED SETBACK OF 30 FEET FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

UM, THE SECOND VARIANCE IS TO REDUCE BY UP TO 10 FEET THE MINIMUM REQUIRED NORTH SIDE INTERIOR SETBACK OF 10 FEET FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT PORTIONS OF THE HOME, UM, AT A SETBACK OF ZERO FEET FROM THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE.

THE THIRD VARIANCE IS A VARIANCE TO REDUCE BY 12 FEET TO INCHES.

THE MINIMUM REQUIRED SUM OF THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS OF 22 FEET, TWO INCHES, UM, IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A SUM OF THE SIDE YARDS OF 10 FEET VARIANCE NUMBER FOUR IS TO REDUCE BY 24.2%.

THE MINIMUM REQUIRED FRONT YARD OPEN SPACE OF 50% IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A FRONT YARD OPEN SPACE OF 25.8%.

VARIANCE NUMBER FIVE IS TO, UH, EXCEED BY 5.8% THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED LOT COVERAGE OF 30% IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A LOT COVERAGE OF 35.8%.

UH, REQUESTS FOR VARIANCES ONE, TWO, AND THREE ARE THE SETBACK VARIANCES.

UM, THE DE SINCE THE DESIGN OF THE NEW HOME WE'RE RECOMMENDING CLOSELY FOLLOWS THE SIGHTING OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING HOME AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS.

THAT WAS A NON-CONFORMING, UM, SITUATION IN TERMS OF THE SETBACKS.

SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT THOSE VARIANCES, UM, ARE A RESULT FROM OUR, UH, RECOMMENDATION WITH REGARD TO RECONSTRUCTION.

UM, AND WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE SETBACK VARIANCES.

UM, ALSO THE NEED TO ELEVATE THE HOME TO THE CURRENTLY REQUIRED BASE FLOOD ELEVATION LEAVES LITTLE AREA WITHIN THE FRONT YARD TO TRANSITION TO A NEW ELEVATION.

SO WHILE THE VARIANCES SEEM EXTREME, IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE HOME RIGHT THAT'S ON THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.

AND IN THE CASE OF THE FRONT YARD, IT WOULD BE THE STAIRS AND OTHER SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE ELEVATED IN ORDER TO TRANSITION TO THE HIGHER LEVEL OF THE HOME.

UM, AND ALSO, AND I THINK I I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, IT IS A VERY IRREGULARLY SHAPED LOT.

UM, THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE HAS A LENGTH OF 105 FEET AND SEVEN INCHES, AND THE REAR PROPERTY LINE HAS A LENGTH OF 16 FEET, TWO INCHES.

SO THIS IS EXTREMELY UNUSUAL AND UNIQUE.

UH, VARIANCE NUMBER FOUR IS RELATED TO THE FRONT YARD OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT.

THIS, THIS REQUIREMENT MANDATES THAT A MINIMUM OF 50% OF THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD CONSISTS OF LANDSCAPE, OUS AREA, THE PROPOSED FRONT SETBACK OF THE HOME AND THE INTRODUCTION OF THE WALKWAY, STAIRS, AND DRIVEWAY HAVE RESULTED IN AN OPEN SPACE, UM, PROPOSED OF 25.8%.

VARIANCE NUMBER FIVE IS RELATED TO THE LOT COVERAGE.

UM, STAFF WOULD NOTE THAT TYPICALLY UP TO 500 SQUARE FEET OF A GARAGE CAN BE DEDUCTED FROM THE LOT COVERAGE IF CERTAIN CRITERIA ARE MET, INCLUDING THE VEHICULAR ENTRANCE OF THE GARAGE IS NOT PART OF THE PRINCIPAL FACADE OF THE HOME.

AND THAT THE GARAGE IS CONSTRUCTED WITH AN ENTRANCE PERPENDICULAR AND NOT VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE THE DESIGN OF THE NEW HOME CLOSELY FOLLOWS THE SETBACKS OF THE PREVIOUS HOME.

THIS RESULTS IN A LIMITED AREA WHERE A GARAGE COULD BE INTRODUCED.

AS SUCH, THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL IS REQUIRED TO COUNT THE FULL GARAGE AS PART OF THEIR LOCK COVERAGE.

UM, THAT IF THEY WERE, IF THEY WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THE GARAGE AREA FOR THEIR LOCK COVERAGE, THEY WOULD BE, UM, VERY CLOSE TO BEING AT THE, AT THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE.

SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT FOR ALL THESE REASONS,

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AND SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ALL OF THE VARIANCES.

UH, CAN I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION? YES.

JUST A QUESTION ABOUT THE, WE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE VARIANCE NUMBER TWO.

UM, EH, UH, REDUCING THE 10 FOOT MINIMUM TO ZERO.

OH, IT FROM THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE? YEAH, THAT'S CANAL.

THAT'S THE CANAL, BUT, AND THE 30 IS, IS THE 30 IS THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE.

IS THAT THE, UM, THAT'S THE EAST, IS THAT THE GARAGE? YES.

THAT'S SO GARAGE AND STAIR, I UNDERSTOOD NUMBER TWO, BUT IT WAS NUMBER ONE TO 30.

AND THE STAIRS ARE WHAT? GO ALL THE WAY TO THE ZERO LINE.

THAT'S OKAY.

BUT THAT'S THE EXACT POSITION OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.

THOSE VARIANCES ARE ALL IN.

IT'S, IT'S NOT EXACT, IT'S CLOSE.

SORRY, DEBBIE, WHAT WAS VARIANCE NUMBER THREE, PLEASE? VARIANCE NUMBER THREE IS THE SUM OF THE SIDE YARDS.

SO BECAUSE THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE NORTH SIDE, THEREFORE THEIR SUM OF THE SIDE YARDS IS THROWN OFF.

SO YOU HAVE A MINIMUM, UM, REQUIRED SUM OF THE SIDE YARDS, UM, OF 22 FEET, TWO INCHES.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE NORTH PLUS THE SOUTH SETBACK.

THEIR SOUTH SIDE SETBACK IS 10 FEET.

THEIR NORTH SIDE SETBACK IS, WHAT AM I GETTING? ZERO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR DEBBIE ABOUT THIS? ALRIGHT.

AND FOR 1810 MICHIGAN AVENUE, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JAKE WHO'S GONNA GIMME A BREAK.

DEBBIE HAS A BREAK.

SO FOR 1810, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON A VACANT LOT.

THE PROPOSED HOME HAS BEEN DESIGNED IN A CONTEMPORARY MEDITERRANEAN STYLE, WHICH INCORPORATES MANY ARCHITECTURAL CONCEPTS OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING HOME.

IN THIS REGARD, THE FRONT FACADE FEATURES HAS STEPPED ASYMMETRICAL DESIGN, WHICH HAS BEEN CLEARLY INSPIRED BY THE PREVIOUS HOME.

ADDITIONALLY, THE NEW HOME HAS BEEN SET BACK NEARLY 60 FEET FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, MAINTAINING THE HISTORIC RELATIONSHIP OF THE HOME TO THE STREET.

ALTHOUGH FURTHER, ALTHOUGH THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE HOME IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED OVER FIVE FEET ABOVE GRADE TO COMPLY WITH MODERN CODE REQUIREMENTS, THE INTRODUCTION OF THE ONE STORY GARAGE WITHIN THE FRONT YARD HELPS TO MAINTAIN THE SCALE OF THE HISTORIC SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, WE HAVE INCLUDED A PHOTO PHOTOGRAPHS ON PAGE SEVEN OF THE PICTURE OF THE PREVIOUS EXISTING HOME AND THE NEW HOME.

AND WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT ATTENTIVELY.

GREAT.

I KEEP THINKING THIS IS THE, THE TIMER, WHICH IS WHY I WAS KIND OF LIKE CONFUSED IN THE LAST DAY WHEN WE WERE REALLY, THE TIMER WAS EVER.

THE TIMING HAS BEEN A LITTLE CRAZY.

OKAY, SO, UM, NOW APPLICANT MAKES A PRESENTATION.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO YES.

PRESENT? SURE.

WELCOME MS. BALTER, BEFORE YOU START, UH, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY EX PARTY COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS? NOPE.

AND, UH, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED? UH, I THINK WE'LL WRAP IT UP IN 10 MINUTES, BUT IT IS THREE APPLICATIONS, SO WE DO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST ADDITIONAL IF NEEDED.

BUT WE'LL TRY AND I'LL, I'LL SET IT INITIALLY AT 10.

I OKAY.

GOING BACK TO AERIALS FROM 1941, UM, YOU CAN SEE IN BLUE AND RED WHERE THOSE ADDITIONS WERE CONSTRUCTED, SOME LEGALLY, MOST ILLEGALLY.

I'LL TRY TO BE CONCISE.

I APPRECIATE THESE, I DUNNO WHERE DEBBIE WENT, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH DEBBIE AND JAKE FOR THAT VERY DETAILED PRESENTATION.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A LOT IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT ALL THE THREE APPLICATIONS ARE VERY MUCH RELATED, SO WE WANTED TO GET IT ALL OUT FIRST AND THEN ADDRESS ANY REMAINING QUESTIONS.

UM, MY NAME'S EMILY BALTER, ARDELL FERNANDEZ, LARK EZ OFFICE AT 200 SOUTH BISQUE BOULEVARD.

WITH ME TODAY ARE MY COLLEAGUES, MICKEY MORERO AND MICHAEL LARKIN.

WE'RE ALSO JOINED BY THE PROJECT ARCHITECT, JENNIFER MCCONNEY GSO AND OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, JOSEPH HECHE.

UM, I WILL GO OVER THE RECENT HISTORY OF THE PROJECT AND THEN I WILL LET, UH, JENNIFER GO OVER THE MORE INTERESTING HISTORY.

UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF 18TH STREET IN MICHIGAN AVENUE, UH, IN THE PALM VIEW HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THE TWO LOTS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY ARE THE NORTHERN TWO, LOTS OF THIS, UH, TRI LARGER TRIANGULAR PORTION.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS AN OLDER AERIAL, AND YOU CAN, UM, SEE THE, THE OVERLAP WITH THE STRUCTURES BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINES.

IT'S TWO PLATTED LOTS.

UH, ORIGINALLY, UH, WE DID AN IN-DEPTH HISTORY OF THE SITE, AND AS PART OF OUR ANALYSIS, JENNIFER HELPED US, UH, IDENTIFY THROUGHOUT THE YEARS WHERE THESE ADDITIONS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE, TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.

UM,

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UM, AND AS FAR AS THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY, UH, LEADING TO THE EMERGENCY DEMOLITION, UH, BOTH SITES WERE ANALYZED.

THESE ARE PHOTOS OF 1818 MICHIGAN.

UM, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS 80 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, DETERIORATION, AND THE HOME WAS IN IMMINENT DANGER OF COLLAPSE.

YOU CAN SEE FAILING FOUNDATIONS, UH, DAMAGE WITHIN THE WALLS, EXTENSIVE CRACKING, UM, CONTINUED SECOND FLOOR ALL THE WAY UP THE BUILDING.

UM, STEPS WERE, WERE NOT SAFE.

UM, AND, AND THERE WAS EXTENSIVE, UH, STEEL, STAIR STEEL STAIR CONNECTION FAILURES.

UH, AND IT WAS EV THERE'S, UH, A LARGE AMOUNT OF EVIDENT OF ILLEGAL CONSTRUCTION AND WORK DONE WITHOUT PERMITS THAT COULD NOT BE REPLACED.

UM, ONE MAJOR, UH, ISSUE WITH THE 1818 MICHIGAN HOME WAS THE STRUCTURE BUILT ON TOP OF THE SEA WALL.

UH, IT WAS DEEMED THAT THE SEA WALL WAS FAILING AND IT COULD NOT BE REPAIRED WITHOUT REMOVING THE STRUCTURE, AND THE STRUCTURE COULD NOT BE REPAIRED ON THAT DETERIORATING SEA WALL.

UM, SO THE CATCH 2022 WITH THAT ISSUE, UM, LED TO THE, UH, DETERMINATION THAT THAT PARTICULAR STRUCTURE WAS IMMINENTLY COLLAPSING.

UM, IF YOU WOULD WALK ON IT, IT WOULD BOUNCE, UM, UH, TO 1810.

UM, YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, BY CURRENT HISTORY WAS CROSSING THE PROPERTY LINES AND TAKING UP THE ENTIRE SITE.

UH, SIMILAR EVIDENCE OF ILLEGAL WORK.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT FACADES WERE ENTIRELY ENCLO ENCLOSED.

UM, CONDUIT CRACK, EXTERIOR CONDUIT CRACKING.

UH, THERE WAS A, A BOAT NOTCH WITHIN THE PROPERTY, AND THAT ALSO LED TO SOME OF THE INFILTRATION OF WATER, UH, ONTO THE, UNDER THE FOUNDATION OF THE HOME, THE CURRENT CONDITION.

UH, SO AS I MENTIONED, I WOULD GO OVER THE, UH, RECENT HISTORY.

THE IN, AS DEBBIE NOTED IN MAY, UM, OF LAST YEAR, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL ORDERED THE SITE TO BE DEMOLISHED.

UM, IT HAS, THE TWO HOMES HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED AND WE'RE THIS WEEK, UH, PICKET FENCE AND LANDSCAPING WILL GO IN.

UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, DEBBIE NOTED THE CONDITION WITH THE NO TRESPASS SIGNS.

UM, THE CURRENT TRUSTEES HAVE AGREED TO COMPLY WITH ALL CONDITIONS FOR VACANT SITES, WHICH INCLUDE THAT, UH, CONDITION.

UH, THE SEA WALL PERMIT HAS BEEN POOLED, UM, APPROVED BY DERMA, APPROVED BY THE STATE, APPROVED BY THE CITY.

SO THAT IS, THEY'RE CURRENTLY RETAINING A CONTRACTOR TO ACTUALLY DO THE WORK.

UM, THE ILLEGAL SITE, THE ILLEGAL IMPROVEMENTS, UM, CREATED, UH, A A ONE BUILDING SITE.

SO THEN WE HAD TO GO BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD TO REQUEST A LOT SPLIT.

UH, THE LOT SPLIT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL PLATTED LOT LINES.

UH, SO NOW WE COULD COME BEFORE YOU ALL, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LOSS HERE, BUT WE'VE PUTTING FORTH THE, THE BEST TO SIGN FOR YOUR REVIEW.

SO I'LL GIVE IT TO JENNIFER.

ONE SECOND.

GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY.

JENNIFER MCCONNEY, UH, STUDIO, MCG ARCHITECTURE IN MIAMI.

UM, THIS HAS DEFINITELY BEEN ONE OF OUR MORE INTERESTING PROJECTS.

UM, YOU HAVE, OH, YOU OKAY? YOU WANT ME DO IT? UH, YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL DO THAT.

THANKS.

AND FROM THE, I GUESS 25 PLUS YEARS I'VE BEEN COMING TO THIS BUILDING, I'VE SAT AT THAT INTERSECTION IN FRONT OF PUBLIX AND LOOKED AT THE SITE AND ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN A REALLY COOL BUILDING AT ONE POINT.

UH, BUT IT'S BEEN IN DECAY FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

UM, AND I WAS, YOU KNOW, REALLY HAPPY WHEN WE GOT THIS.

I MEAN, THE FIRST, THE CLIENTS CAME TO US AND SAID, WE WANNA BUILD TOWNHOUSES.

UM, AND THEN WE STARTED LOOKING MORE INTO THE HISTORY AND THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, IT'S, IT'S A BETTER IDEA TO JUST REALLY KEEP THE FABRIC OF THIS, OF THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD THE SAME.

UM, AND AGAIN, HAD WE HAD TO, WE SUBDIVIDED, WE DIVIDED THE LOTS AGAIN BACK TO WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY PLOTTED BECAUSE OF ALL THE ILLEGAL ADDITIONS THAT WERE DONE ON THE SITE.

UM, SO I THINK WE'VE HAD A REALLY GOOD TIME DOING THIS.

SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE'S, UM, THEY USED TO OWN THE ENTIRE BLOCK OR THEY, THEY STILL, THE, THE TRUST STILL DOES.

UM, THE ONES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY IS LOT THREE AND LOT 2 18, 18

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AND 1810.

SO WHAT WE, WE WANTED TO PUT BACK KIND OF THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, ALSO ON 1818, YOU CAN SEE THESE IMAGES.

UM, WE'VE ALL SEEN THEM BEFORE IN THE POSTCARDS.

SO WHAT DEBBIE WAS EXPLAINING EARLIER, THIS WAS A MODEL APARTMENT UNIT FOR SCA IN THE ARTICLES THAT, UM, JAKE SUPPLIED US WITH.

UH, THEY WERE, UM, IT WAS SOMEWHERE SOUTH OF LAGO ISLAND, SO POSSIBLY ALICE ISLAND, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.

THERE WAS GONNA BE A APARTMENT BUILDING BUILT BY SCHULTZ AND WEAVER.

SO THIS IS VILLA BISKA.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE IMAGES OF WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.

IT'S A CURVED ISLAND THINKING.

IT MAY HAVE BEEN SOMEWHERE ON ALLISON OR SOMEWHERE ON MIGHTY BEACH.

UH, I'M NOT SURE.

UH, SO I THINK THIS IS, AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE TOP, UH, LEFT.

THAT'S PRETTY INTERESTING.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS 19 MID TWENTIES.

THESE ARE THE ONLY DRAWINGS THAT WE HAVE OF 18.

18.

THERE'S ONLY TWO ELEVATIONS.

UM, AND A A FLOOR PLAN OF, OF BOTH LEVELS.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE IN THE AD ON THE TOP, IT'S CARL FISHER'S PROPERTY.

THEY WERE SELLING THIS FOR $20,000 BACK THEN.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT SCHULTZ AND WEAVER DID.

SO WE HAVE THE BILTMORE, WE HAVE THE RONNEY, AND WE HAVE THE FREEDOM TOWER TOO.

WE'RE STILL AROUND TODAY.

THIS IS HENRY HUBBLE.

UM, WE FOUND HIM IN THE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI.

HE WAS A REGENT FOR THE ART SCHOOL, SO PRETTY INTERESTING.

UM, AND IT LOOKED LIKE WHEN HE BOUGHT, WHEN HE BOUGHT THE 1818, IT WAS HIS ART STUDIO, WHICH WE THINK WAS THAT TOWER AND WHERE WE HAVE THE GARAGE, UM, OVERLOOKING THE WATERWAY.

WE THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE, THAT WAS BUILDING CARD, 1925.

AND THEN THIS IS OUR PROPOSAL.

THERE WAS ANOTHER BUILDING, 1835, UM, KIND OF WHERE THE POOL IS.

BUT UM, YOU KNOW, WE DECIDED NOT TO PUT THAT PIECE BACK AND THERE'S NO INFORMATION ON THAT BUILDING AT ALL.

SO RIGHT NOW THE SITE IS AT ABOUT THREE NGVD, THE MINIMUM BASE FLOOD ELEVATION TO BUILD THE HOUSES AT NINE.

SO AT FIRST, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THIS WITHOUT IT NOT LOOKING LIKE IT'S ON SITTING ON A GIANT HILL? SO WHAT WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THIS SITE IS IT HAD A CONCRETE WALL GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND IT, WHICH IS BASICALLY, UH, AT THE SAME HEIGHT THAT THE ELEVATION WOULD NEED TO BE AT.

SO WE USE THAT WALL AS KIND OF A, A RETAINING WALL INSTEAD OF A FENCE.

AND NOW THE BUILDING SITS RIGHT ON TOP OF THAT.

SO IT'S, IT'S RAISED AT THE RIGHT HEIGHT, UM, MEETS MINIMUM FLOOD ELEVATION.

UM, WE'RE BUILDING IT BACK AS CONCRETE.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY WOOD.

UM, THE HOUSE WAS 50 BY 50.

WE'RE, THAT'S THE SAME HEIGHT.

I MEAN THE SAME WIDTH AND, UM, DIMENSIONS THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

WE, WHAT WE THINK WAS THE STUDIO, WE ARE TURNING INTO A GARAGE.

THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER PLACE TO PARK ON THE SITE.

WE ARE, WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE CARS.

UM, BUT WE DID REBUILD THE TOWER AND I THINK THE MOST FUN PART WAS THE FACADE ALONG THE WATERWAY.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHO GETS TO DO THAT? AND EVEN THOUGH THAT DOESN'T MEET THE ALLOWABLE SETBACKS, IT'S A REALLY BIG PART OF MIAMI BEACH.

EVERYBODY GO DRIVES ON DAY BOULEVARD.

AND IF, IF THEY SEE THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, IT'S AMAZING.

AND, AND, AND ALSO WHAT IT DOES IS IT ALSO SCREENS THEIR BACKYARD FROM DADE BOULEVARD AND WHAT'S GOING ON, UM, WITH THE PUBLIC MUCH ACROSS THE STREET.

HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO YOU THINK WE NEED? I PROBABLY NEED 10 MORE MINUTES, BUT I'LL BE, I I'LL TALK FASTER.

THIS IS THE MORE INTERESTING ONE ANYWAY.

, I'LL GO FASTER.

SO, PROPOSED PLAN, UH, WE FIT IT WITHIN THE 50 BY 50.

IT IS A DIFFERENT PLAN THAN WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY, FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

UM, AND WE COMPLETED A POOL, A LITTLE POOL HOUSE WHERE THE, UM, 1835 USED TO BE SECOND FLOOR.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE SHOWING IT AS A MASTER.

WHOEVER BUYS THIS, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA END UP CHANGING THE, THE LAYOUTS, BUT, BUT UM, WE PUT THE MASTER BEDROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

THESE ARE THE, UM, FRONT ELEVATION ALONG A MICHIGAN.

WE RECREATED IT AS BEST WE COULD.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DIMENSIONS, BUT WE DID THE BEST WE WE CAN.

THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION.

THERE WAS NO ORIGINAL REAR ELEVATION, BUT WE MIRRORED IT, SO I'M ASSUMING IT WAS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.

UM, WE HEAR THAT THERE'S A PICTURE OF THAT CREST THAT'S IN THE ARCHWAY, BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND IT.

AND SIDE ELEVATIONS OPEN VERANDA ON THE SECOND FLOOR, A LOT OF WOOD DETAILS FOR THE VERANDAS ON THE WATERWAY AND ON THE SECOND LEVEL.

AND THEN WE REALLY DOVE DEEP INTO THE FACADES FACING THE WATERWAY.

THERE WERE ORIGINAL, UH, CRESTS.

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WE DID THE BEST WE COULD AT RECREATING THAT.

UM, AND THEN, AS YOU KNOW, AS THERE'S, UH, SIMILAR DETAILS ON THE BILTMORE.

THERE'S THESE WOOD WALKWAYS, UH, THAT, UH, KIND OF CREATE THAT BUFFER SCREEN ALONG THE WATERWAY.

AND THEN HERE'S SOME OF THE IMAGES AND THE DETAILS THAT WE TOOK FROM THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS AND THE PHOTOGRAPHS.

, CAN YOU, CAN YOU POINT OUT THAT CREST JUST FOR THE RECORD? SURE.

IT'S, UM, SO RIGHT THERE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT, THAT'S, IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN, UM, ON A BEIGE ABOVE THAT DOORWAY.

THAT'S THE CREST.

AND THEN THESE ARE SOME JUST MATERIAL IMAGES THAT WE WERE USING.

AND, UM, THE, THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ALSO IS USING NATIVE TREES, UM, SILVER BUTTONWOOD, GREEN BUTTONWOOD, SALT TOLERANT PLANTS, UH, SIMPSON STOPPERS, ET CETERA.

SO WE REALLY WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE ENOUGH OLD FLORIDA.

AND BEFORE PRESENTING, UH, 1810, WE QUICKLY WANTED TO GO OVER THE VARIANCES FOR THE SITE.

UH, I THINK DEBBIE OUTLINED THEM VERY CLEARLY.

THE VARIANCES ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE EXTREME IRREGULARITY OF THE SITE.

IT'S A TRIANGULAR SHAPED, UM, MUCH LONGER REAR, UH, MUCH LONGER FRONT, SHORTER REAR, AND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE ON THE CANAL.

UH, IT ALSO HAS TO DO THE VARIANCES ARE ALSO DIRECTLY RELATED, UH, TO THE ELEVATION AND THE, THE CHANGE BETWEEN THE CURRENT ELEVATION AND THE PROPOSED ELEVATION IN ORDER, UH, TO BRING IT UP TO BFE, UH, PLUS FREEBOARD.

UH, THAT'S WHY WE NEED, UH, THE RETAINING WALL AND THE STEPS IN THE FRONT, UM, AS WELL AS THE GARAGE.

THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO PARK ON THIS SITE.

UM, AND THE LOCK COVERAGE IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE SIDING OF THE PREVIOUS STRUCTURE AND HOW WE'RE MAINTAINING THE MASSING.

SO I THINK, OH, IF WE'RE READY, WE'LL GO TO 1810.

THIS IS A IMAGE ALONG THE WATERWAY AND A RENDERING OF THE FRONT.

18, 10.

UM, DEFINITELY NOT AS INTERESTING OF A BUILDING, BUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT IS INTERESTING IS IT'S SET BACK REALLY FAR, JUST CLEARING THE ORIGINAL 1818.

SO I'M SURE HENRY WANTED, DIDN'T WANNA BLOCK HIS VIEWS.

SO HE SET THAT BUILDING BACK.

AND THEN WHAT THAT AREA IN THE FRONT BECAME WAS A GIANT PARKING LOT FOR THE 20 PLUS PEOPLE THAT WERE LIVING IN THIS BEFORE IT WAS DEMOLISHED.

SO HERE'S SOME ORIGINAL PHOTOS.

THE, THE TOP IS THE EARLIEST.

UM, THE TWO TOP ONES ARE THE EARLIEST IMAGES THAT WE HAVE.

UH, AND THE ENTRYWAY HAD A, A BIT OF AN ARCHWAY, SO WE REALLY TRIED TO RECREATE, NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M USING THE RIGHT TERM, BUT, UM, KIND OF USE THAT SAME MASSING AND THE ENTRY POINTS AND, UH, THE OPEN SPACE IN THE FRONT.

WE TRIED TO REDO THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY IN A, IN A NEW RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.

UM, SO THIS IS, THIS IS OUR PROPOSAL.

UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE THE ARCHWAY, THE ENTRY.

UM, WE HAVE THAT KIND OF, UM, A LITTLE FLORIDA ROOM ABOVE IT THAT THEY HAD ON THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.

AND THEN WE DIVIDED THE BUILDING IN THREE, UH, ALONG THE FRONT.

UM, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S FORCED, YOU KNOW, NO, NOT MANY ARE LIKE THAT, BUT ACTUALLY THIS WORKED OUT REALLY WELL.

UH, AND THEN WE PUT, ORIGINALLY THERE WAS PARKING IN THE FRONT.

WE HAVE THE, THE GARAGE, NOT FACING THE STREET, BUT, UM, ACCESS FROM THE SIDE.

UM, SITE PLAN, FLOOR PLAN.

OBVIOUSLY WHEN SOMEBODY BUYS THIS, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA GO THROUGH THE PLANS AGAIN AND, AND, AND CHANGE IT A BIT.

UM, BUT I THINK IT'S OPEN AND FUNCTIONAL FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, ELEVATIONS.

AND, UM, AND THAT'S THE SAME.

AND, AND THE LANDSCAPING TOO.

HE'S ALSO USING, YOU KNOW, UM, TREES THAT ARE FROM SOUTH FLORIDA THAT ARE SALT TOLERANT AND, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANNA BRING THAT BACK.

AND THEN THESE ARE SOME OF THE, UM, THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW FROM THE BACK ON THE REAL SIDE.

SO THAT WILL CONCLUDE OUR PRESENTATION.

WE'RE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE THREE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AFTER THE FACT DEMOLITION, UH, NEW DESIGN FOR 18.

18 AND VARIANCES 10 WITH THE VARIANCES AND, UH, DESIGN FOR 1810.

UH, WE'LL RESERVE TIME FOR REBUTTAL.

AND, AND WE'RE AVAILABLE.

OUR WHOLE TEAM IS HERE.

THERE STILL A VACANT LOT? IS THIS PART OF THE ESTATE AS WELL? THE TRIANGULAR LOT THAT'S BEYOND THAT? 'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT THIS BOAT SLIP THING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S OH, ABOUT FOUR.

UH, ANY BOARD QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO, LIKE TO POSE? RAY? UM, YEAH, JUST A, UM, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT SORT OF TIE IN.

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SO THAT THERE'S THREE PROPERTY LINES THAT GO THROUGH IT MM-HMM .

LIKE WHO OWNS THAT BOAT SLIP AND WHO'S GONNA DO SOMETHING WITH IT? SO THE, THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE APPROVED BY DURHAM STATE AND THE CITY PROPOSED FILLING IN THE BOAT SLIP, IT WAS ILLEGALLY CONSTRUCTED.

SO IT'LL BE FILLED IN THE BOAT SLIP WILL NO LONGER BE THERE.

'CAUSE IT DIDN'T SHOW THAT.

UM, AND THEN THE RENDER DIDN'T PICK THAT UP, BUT THE HOME THAT'S STILL ON 18TH STREET, IS THERE A FUTURE PLAN FOR THAT? I MEAN, IT'S IN ALMOST THIS DEPLORABLE CONDITION.

THAT'S WHAT YOU ALREADY TORE DOWN, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY.

CORRECT.

WE'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH DEBBIE, UH, JENNIFER, OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS, UH, TO STUDY THAT HOUSE.

UH, IT, IT WASN'T AS IN IMMINENT DANGER AS THESE TWO.

UM, IT HAS BEEN SECURED SECURITY, UH, LANDSCAPED, BUT IT, IT WASN'T AS IMMINENT AS THESE TWO.

SO THESE TWO WERE THE PRIORITY FOR THE ESTATE, UM, AND FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.

AND THEN MY ONLY OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE ALL LOOKED AT THE COLLINS CANAL AND THAT WALL AND, AND YOU KNOW HOW IT WAS LIKE ALMOST LIKE BEING IN, IN VENICE.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE DONE A FAIRLY DECENT JOB WITH THAT, BUT IT STILL LOOKS REALLY PLAIN TO ME.

IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD ADD SOME TRIM AROUND THE, THE WINDOW OPENINGS, YOU KNOW, JUST TO, TO ADD A LITTLE, 'CAUSE IT JUST, IT'S LIKE THIS BIG HUGE BLANK WALL AND YES, YOU, YOU'VE MADE A NEW, UH, MODERN, YOU KNOW, UH, ENTRANCE OF WHERE THERE USED TO BE STEPS AND, AND EVERYTHING.

BUT THE REST OF IT IS JUST REALLY PLAIN.

YES, YOU'VE ADDED SOME PLANTS FROM YOUR FIRST WHATEVER, BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT NEEDS TO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THERE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING DOWN DADE BOULEVARD AND SAY, OH YEAH, THAT MOVIE LOOKS NICE.

AND, AND YOUR ELEVATION ON ON, UH, MICHIGAN IS REALLY GREAT.

YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE WINDOWS ARE ALL TRIMMED OUT AND WHATNOT.

I JUST THINK YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING MORE WITH THAT.

AND THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, RAY.

ANY, UM, LAURA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEAUTIFUL, THOUGHTFUL PRESENTATION.

UM, IS THERE ANY OF THE ORIGINAL FABRIC OR CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES THAT, UM, COULD POTENTIALLY BE RETAINED? PROBABLY NON STRUCTURALLY .

UM, AND I, I THINK IT WAS A, A GREAT PROPOSAL ON A, ON A VERY PARTICULAR LOT.

SO, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT'S, IT'S BEEN DEMOLISHED.

UM, THERE WERE THINGS THAT WE TRIED TO KEEP, BUT WE COULDN'T EVEN ACCESS SOME OF THEM FROM THE WATERWAY BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE SEA WALL.

UM, SO IT'S NO LONGER EXISTS AT THE MOMENT.

THIS HASCO, JULIE, I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN, ELEGANT DESIGN.

BUT TO RAY'S POINT, THAT TRIANGULAR PORTION THAT YOU SHOW IN THIS RENDERING, IS THIS A FUTURE SITE FOR ANOTHER HOUSE THAT'S GONNA BE ACCESSED OFF OF 18TH STREET? CAN YOU LIFT THAT UP? OR, SORRY.

OH, IT'S OKAY.

THAT IS LOT FOUR, WHICH, UM, YES, THAT'S A LOT FOUR THAT IT'S A PART OF THE EMT, BUT IT'S NOT A PART OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE WAS NEVER, THERE HASN'T BEEN A HOUSE THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

PROBABLY SINCE THE NINETIES CAN, SO IT'S BEEN VACANT.

CAN YOU PUT THE PLAN UP? JUST, CAN YOU PUT THE PLAN UP ON THE SCREEN JUST SO WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME, THE SITE PLAN? YEAH, I THINK ABOUT THIS ONE.

SO THIS IS THE, THE CURRENT CONDITION, UH, THIS IS THE SUBJECT AREA OF THE LOT SPLIT THAT WE WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD AND WE'RE RETURNING THESE FOUR LOTS TO THEIR PLOTTED LINES.

UM, BUT NO, THERE'S NO PROPOSED, UH, NEW HOME OR RECONSTRUCTION FOR LOT FOUR.

IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

UM, SO THAT, I MEAN, IF, IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO PURCHASE , BUT NO, THAT IS NOT PART OF THE SCOPE OF EXACTLY.

AND THAT WAS THE INLAND BOAT SLIP.

YOU HAD THE INLAND BOAT SLIP ON THE, THAT'S BEEN FILLED IN ALREADY, OR IT'S ABOUT TO BE, BE OKAY.

YEAH, WE, WE DID TALK ABOUT POSSIBLY LOOKING AT SAVING IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT AN ALLOWED BOAT SLIP.

NO, I KNOW.

BUILD THE, THE BUILDING ON THE SEA WALL, UM, AND I ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF I WANNA DO THAT AGAIN, WHERE YOU CAN'T FIX THE SEA WALL WITHOUT FIXING THE BUILDING.

MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, REGARDING THE SEA WALL, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, THE EXTERIOR WALL ALONG CANAL WAS INTEGRATED WITH THE SEA WALL MM-HMM .

WHEREAS CURRENTLY IT'S SET BACK.

HAVE YOU STUDIED IN ANY WAY, UM, SETTING THE EXTERIOR WALL ALONG THAT PLANE OF THE, UH, OF THE SEA WALL? WELL, SO I PART THAT SEA WALL WILL BE OUTSIDE OF OUR PROPERTY LINE.

UM, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S WAYS TO POSSIBLY CHANGE THAT, BUT I, BUT THE, RIGHT NOW, THE SEA WALL SITS OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

SO IF WE COULDN'T

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SO, UH, YOU KNOW, SO I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DISCONNECTED AT LEAST A BIT.

SO IF, IF WE HAD TO DO REPAIRS TO THE SEA WALL, THEN IT WOULDN'T AFFECT THE STRUCTURE ABOVE AND VICE VERSA.

CAN YOU PUT THAT PLAN UP TOO, JUST TO SHOW US THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE SEA WALL AND THE, AND THE BUILDING? SO YOU COULD SEE HOW, UH, OOPS, YOUR SESSION HAS ENDED.

SO YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE SURVEY WHERE THE SEA WALL IS OUTSIDE.

I THINK YOU CAN YOU USE A PLAN THREE FEET? ARE YOU NOT SEA WALL LOOKS LIKE IT'S WALKABLE.

THE CAP.

IT WOULD BE THE CAP.

SO, UM, UH, SO YOU WANNA SEE THE WHAT, ELEVATIONS OR IT'S THE PLAN? I THOUGHT MAYBE THE PLAN.

OH, PLAN.

TO SEE THE SETBACK OF THE YEAH, WHAT HE'S POINTING OUT.

SO THE SEA WALL, UH, AND THE PROPERTY LINE, I DUNNO IF I CAN, OKAY, HERE, HERE WE GO.

SO THE PROPERTY LINE'S IN RED, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE, RIGHT? OF WHERE MY, WHERE THAT CURSOR IS, RIGHT? RIGHT THERE.

THE SEA WALL'S JUST A BIT OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S AN EXISTING, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT IS TODAY.

SO WE ARE, WE PUT OUR BUILDING WITHIN OUR PROPERTY.

THAT'S USUALLY A GOOD IDEA.

IS THERE A WAY TO GO FROM THE INSIDE OF THE PROPERTY OUT TO THE SEA WALL? LIKE TO GET TO THE GONDOLA THAT'S WAITING FOR YOU DOWN THERE? YEAH.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE THERE.

SO THERE'S THAT, THAT, UM, WE HAVE THE DOORWAY THAT WE HAD BEFORE, SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE RULES WITH THE DOCKING OF THE BOATS AND HOW ALL THAT WORKS, BUT, UM, UH, THEY DO HAVE LIFTS RIGHT NOW ON THE OTHER PROPERTY NEXT DOOR.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

JUST WALK RIGHT OUT ONTO THE SEA.

UH, MIKE, MIKE, MIKE RAY.

RAY, MIKE, IS THIS PART OF YOUR VARIANCE TO PUT THE SEA WALL OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE? NO.

OR IS THAT A SEPARATE ISSUE ALTOGETHER? NO, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DERM THAT'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE.

RAY, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.

JUST ARE YOU FINISHED? ASK JUST ONE MORE QUESTION.

YEAH, GO AHEAD.

JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION.

SINCE THIS OTHER LOT THAT COULD BE BUILT ON IN THE FUTURE MM-HMM .

WHY WOULDN'T THE OWNER AT THIS POINT IN TIME TAKE THE SEA WALL ALL THE WAY DOWN SO THAT IT'S CONSISTENT AND DONE ALL AT THE SAME TIME, SAME PERMITTING AND ALL OF THAT? IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD MAKE MUCH MORE SENSE.

HE, HE IS, YEAH.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

THE SEA WALL APPROVAL PERMIT IS FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THEIR PROPERTY.

WHICH INCLUDES THE VACANT PORTION.

SO THE RENDERING IS NOT ACCURATE THEN, IS THAT CORRECT? THE, THE ONLY PART OF THE RENDERING THAT'S NOT ACCURATE IS THAT THEY KEPT THE BOAT DOCK AND THAT WAS BE THE BOAT NOTCH.

WHEN YOU SAY RENDERING, DO YOU MEAN THE 3D RENDERING OR THE SITE PLAN? WHICH ONE DO YOU MEAN? UM, ON THREE A FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK IT'S JUST NOTCH.

IT'S RENDERING TWO TO RAY'S POINT.

IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THE SEA WALL DOESN'T EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

YEAH, YEAH.

I THINK OUR, IT, IT WASN'T A PART OF OUR PLANS.

SO THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS, BECAUSE THAT'S A SEPARATE PROPERTY, BUT THEY, THEY, THE GERM PERMITS THAT THEY'RE PULLING HAS THAT LOT INCLUDED IN THERE.

IT'S IN, IT'S INCLUDED.

AND THE BOAT, UM, CUT OUT IS NOT THE REPRESENT THE CUT OUT.

OKAY, GOT IT.

SEA WALL'S GONNA GO RIGHT ACROSS IT.

YES, CORRECT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

IF YOU DIDN'T REQUEST ALL THESE VARIANCES, SIDE YARDS AND REAR SETBACK, FORGET THE CANAL SETBACK, THAT'S UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO REPLICATE THE BUILDING, BUT THE OTHER SETBACKS ON THE EAST, WEST, AND SOUTH, WHAT WOULD THE SIZE OF YOUR HOUSE BE? IT, IT, SO RIGHT NOW THE, WE'LL START WITH THE EAST.

THE EAST SETBACK IS 11 FEET, UM, PLUS OR MINUS, THE ORIGINAL SETBACK WAS 9.55 MM-HMM .

UH, SO IT WAS JUST ONE FOOT DIFFERENCE.

UH, IF WE WERE, IT'S A TWO STORY RESIDENCE, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO BE SETBACK 30 FEET.

SO AS YOU COULD SEE, IF WE SET BACK 30 FEET, THE BUILDING WOULD BE IN THE CANAL.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO SHORTEN THE, THE REAR BY PROBABLY ABOUT 20 FEET OR SO.

SO INSTEAD OF IT BEING A 50 BY 50 BEAUTIFUL SQUARE CLASSICAL ARCHITECTURE, WE WOULD END UP WITH, UM, A, UH, 30 FOOT BY 50 FOOT BUILDING, WHICH IS NOT WHAT THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECT INTENDED.

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GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

UM, BRIAN, ARE YOU, YOU'RE YOU OKAY? YOU GOT YOUR BID IN AND ELIZABETH? YEAH.

JUST TO CONFIRM, HI AGAIN.

ALL THE PROPERTIES BELONG TO THE SAME OWNER, CORRECT? THE FOUR LOTS? YES.

AND THEN YOU MENTIONED DURING YOUR PRESENTATION THAT SOME OF THE LAYOUT, INTERIOR LAYOUT WOULD CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.

SO THERE IS, SO THOSE HOUSES ARE BEING BUILT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE, OR THEY'RE GONNA BE SOLD IN THE DESIGN PHASE AND THE FUTURE OWNER WILL HAVE.

SO WE ARE PROVING BASICALLY IS THE ENVELOPE.

SO THE ENVELOPE WILL NOT CHANGE ONCE IT'S APPROVED, OTHERWISE YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO US.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.

AND JUST ON THE, ON THE VAR ON THE VARIANCES, UM, THAT, UH, YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCES SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING, YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE BUILDING AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THE, UM, ORIGINAL 1818 TO THE EXISTING TO WHAT WAS THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S A VERY, IT'S A VERY SAD THING THAT THE, THAT THESE BUILDINGS, UM, ESPECIALLY SCHULTZ AND WEAVER HOME, I, I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THERE WERE SCHULTZ AND WEAVER HOMES ON MIAMI BEACH WAS, UM, WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, DEMOLISHED.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF, I THINK WE WENT THROUGH, WE USED TO HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, FIND OUT WHEN BUILDINGS WERE GONNA BE DEMOLISHED WHEN THEY WERE ON THE, AND MAYBE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST.

WE, YEAH, THEY CAME BEFORE BEFORE THIS BOARD, BEFORE IT WAS DEMOLISHED.

MAYBE IT WAS, MAYBE, MAYBE WHEN IT WAS IN MY HIATUS.

SO, UM, IT WAS HIM.

SO MAYBE THAT'S WHY I DON'T RECALL.

YEAH, YOU YOU WERE THE ONE THAT WE DID PRESENTED IT.

UM, SO, UM, THIS IS A COMPLEX, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, I THINK NOW WE, UM, WE, UH, USUALLY DO, UH, OUR, UM, BOARD DISCLOSURES, BUT I THINK WE ARE, WE HAD THAT, WE GOT THAT OUTTA THE WAY.

SORRY.

NO, IT'S ALL GOOD.

IT'S ALL GOOD.

I JUST, UM, AND NOW IS THERE, WE OPEN IT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, YES.

I SEE ON ZOOM WE HAVE, UH, WELL, DANIELS GERALDO HAD HIS HAND RAISED, BUT HE LOWERED IT.

SO DANIEL, HI DANIEL.

UH, YES, GOOD MORNING.

UM, DANIEL SERAL WITH MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE.

UM, WE, DANIEL, JUST FOR THE RECORD, YOU WERE PREVIOUSLY THE LONG-TERM NEGLECT.

OH, SORRY, I WAS ALREADY SWORN IN, RIGHT? YEAH, NO, I JUST, OKAY, THANK YOU.

WE DO TAKE ISSUE WITH THE LONG TERM NEGLECT OF THIS PROPERTY, AND IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE THERE WAS AN UNAPPROVED DEMO DEMOLITION DUE TO THAT NEGLECT.

UM, HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID, WE DO SUPPORT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OR APPROVAL ABOUT CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND VARIANCES WITH CONDITIONS.

WE THINK THE ARCHITECT HAD A THOUGHTFUL APPROACH IN THE NEW STRUCTURE DESIGN THAT CLOSELY REFERENCES THE ORIGINAL HOME WHILE INCORPORATING NECESSARY RESILIENCY MEASURES.

WE DID HAVE SOME CONCERNS.

WE CONTINUE TO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE SEA WALL.

SOME OF THOSE WERE ALREADY VOICED BY THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

UH, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO FIND OUR PHOTOS THAT WE TOOK OF THIS CU ALL BEFORE IT GOT DEMOLISHED.

UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WEREN'T ANY LASER SCANS DONE BY THE OWNERS BEFORE THAT, UNFORTUNATELY.

SO, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONDITION THAT, UM, THE OWNER WORK WITH STAFF TO UNCOVER ANY AVAILABLE, UH, DOCUMENTATION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE SEAWALL WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, LIKE ONE OF THE DECORATIVE ELEMENTS, IT, IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE IT'S LIKE, COMES FROM HOME DEPOT, I HATE TO SAY.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST LIKE, UH, AN INVENTORY ITEM, BUT I THINK THIS PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY THAT SEAWALL, UH, DESERVES THE BEST ATTENTION.

AND THEN IN CLOSING, WE DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THERE IS ACTUALLY ONE HOME REMAINING ON THE SITE.

AND WE DO HOPE THAT THIS OWNER, IF THESE VARIANCES ARE APPROVED, THAT THE OWNER IS GOING TO VERY QUICKLY BRING THAT HOME BACK TO COMPLIANCE.

WE'D HATE TO LOSE AT HOME.

IT HAS NOT BEEN CONDEMNED, AND WE HOPE THE BOARD WILL ALSO ENCOURAGE THAT.

AT THOSE AND, UH, PASS THOSE ALONG.

DANIEL.

DANIEL, BEFORE YOU LEAVE, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YES.

UM, I, I WAS JUST, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE SEA WALL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 18.

18, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FACADE ALONG THE, ALONG, ALONG THE CANAL, OR SPECIFICALLY THE SEA WALL ITSELF? OH, I'M SORRY.

YEAH, I, IT IS KIND OF LIKE A VENETIAN WALL.

SO IT, WHETHER IT'S A SEA WALL OR A FACADE, BUT IT'S THAT LARGE WALL ALONG THE CANAL.

UHHUH, THAT, I GUESS NOW IT'S ATTACHED FROM THE, THE SEA WALL.

BUT YES, THE PART ABOVE THE SEA WALL HAD SOME INTERESTING, LIKE DECORATIVE MEDALLIONS.

AND I KNOW WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS, SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK

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THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

THANKS.

ANY, ANYBODY ELSE ON OF THE PUBLIC ON ZOOM? ANYONE ELSE? NO, NO.

AND ANYBODY HERE FROM PUBLIC WHO WANTS TO SPEAK? NO.

WITH THAT, WE WILL CLOSE THE, UM, PUBLIC, UM, COMMENT AND, UM, OPEN IT UP TO BOARD COMMENT.

SO ANY THOUGHTS? RIGHT? I I THINK IT'S A GREAT PRESENTATION.

UM, ARE THESE SPEC HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT THAT WILL BE UP FOR SALE FOR OTHER PEOPLE? OR ARE, DO THEY ALREADY HAVE OWNERS? NO, FOR SALE.

THEY'LL BE FOR SALE.

UM, YOU, YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB BECAUSE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IS SO SPECIAL WITHIN MIAMI BEACH.

UM, AND I KNOW ORIGINALLY THE OWNER WANTED TO BUILD TOWNHOUSES, LIKE WHAT'S ON THE OTHER CORNER, AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE BECAUSE THAT WAS BUILT BEFORE IT BECAME, UH, PALM VIEW, UH, HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I THINK YOU'VE TAKEN, UH, PARTICULAR PRECAUTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE STAYED WITHIN THE, UH, WHAT IS WANTED FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, THANK YOU AS ALWAYS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL.

I, I LOVE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE REFERENCES WITH LIKE, THE GONDOLAS ON THE CANAL.

IT'S VERY, YOU KNOW, BRINGS BACK KIND OF THE ROMANCE OF, UH, THE 1920S MIAMI BEACH.

SO I THINK HE DID A FANTASTIC JOB AND VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT.

THANK, HE'S, I ECHO WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN.

I'M NOT ONE FOR SUPPORTING VARIANCES WHEN IT COMES TO SETBACKS, TYPICALLY, BUT I THINK THIS IS AN UNUSUAL CASE THAT WARRANTS UH, ALLOWANCE OF IT.

THANKS.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

UM, IT WAS, IT'S AN INCREDIBLY THOUGHTFUL DESIGN.

UH, I REALLY AM, UH, IT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO LEARN ABOUT THE HISTORY INVOLVED HERE.

UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S SO MANY STORIES THAT ARE TIED TO THIS PROPERTY, AND I DO ENDORSE THE PROJECT.

I THINK THAT IT'S VERY TASTEFULLY DONE, VERY THOUGHTFULLY DONE.

THERE ARE, TO MY COLLEAGUE TO LAURA'S POINT AS WELL.

THE, THE REFERENCES ARE REALLY, THEY RESONATE WITH ME AND I, I REALLY LIKE THEM.

UM, SO I DO NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES.

AND THE FACT THAT THE ORIGINAL BUILDING IS, YOU KNOW, CLOSELY POSITIONED, UM, GIVES ME COMFORT ON THE VARIANCE SIDE OF THINGS.

ELIZABETH.

THANK YOU, JENNIFER.

THAT'S, UH, IT'S REALLY A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN AND I CAN SEE SOMEWHAT DIRECTIONS RECONSTRUCTION OF A MORE ROMANTIC IMAGE OF MIAMI BEACH FROM THE PAST.

UH, BUT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO REINFORCE WHAT, UH, RAY HAS SUGGESTED THAT MAYBE THE FACADE FACING THE CANAL COULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DECORATION.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT AND THE CANAL, ONE HAS MORE ATTENTION TO THE TAIL AND THE OTHER LOOKS MORE STREAMLINED.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE IF BOTH HAVE THE SAME LANGUAGE.

UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UH, YOU HAVE MY FULL SUPPORT.

AND, UH, YEAH, I, UH, AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT I THINK THIS IS A REALLY AMAZING, IT'S AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY.

UM, IT'S SADLY AN OPPORTUNITY.

IT REALLY WOULD BE MUCH, MUCH MORE, UM, OPPORTUNE TO BE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE SCHULTZ AND WEAVER BUILDING THAT WE'RE RENOVATING AND REPURPOSING.

UM, AND, UH, AND ITS NEIGHBOR.

BUT, UH, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH, UH, DANIEL'S RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU LOOK MORE CLOSELY AT THE HISTORIC REFERENCES TO THE, TO THAT, THAT, UH, CANAL FACADE.

IT'S NOT EXACTLY, IT'S EVER GONNA, NEVER GONNA BE THE SAME AS THE HISTORIC FACADE, BUT IT CAN, IT CAN BE A LITTLE CLOSER.

SO WHEN, WHEN YOU, AND, AND YOU KNOW, I, I THINK YOU'LL BE WORKING, MAYBE DEBBIE WOULD KNOW WHETHER YOU'RE WORKING WITH, UM, STAFF WHEN A BUYER COMES IN TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE APPROVE HERE IS, YOU KNOW, IS WITHIN, UM, VERY CLOSE TO WHAT THEY, WHAT IS ULTIMATELY BUILT WITH, WITH A, OBVIOUSLY A SPECIFIC BUYER, A HOMEOWNER.

UM, SO WITH THAT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING, ANY OTHER COMMENTS.

SO I'LL ENTERTAIN, WE WILL DO THREE MOTIONS.

UH, SO LET'S DO THE FIRST MO WELL, ACTUALLY WE MIGHT NEED FOUR MO, WE, WE FOUR MOTIONS.

SO THE FIRST MOTION WILL BE, UH, WELL, DEBBIE, DO YOU WANNA TAKE US THROUGH THE MOTIONS JUST SO YOU CAN KEEP 'EM? UH, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, SO THE FIRST WOULD BE FOR H PV 24 0 6 1 3.

AND THIS IS FOR THE AFTER THE FACT DEMOLITION FOR BOTH BUILDINGS.

SECOND.

OH, SOMEBODY HAS TO, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL MOVE THAT.

SECOND MOTION WOULD BE 4 18 10 MICHIGAN AVENUE.

WE HAVE IT MOVED IN SECOND.

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MS. WEINSTEIN BERMAN.

[ HPB24-0614, 1810 Michigan Avenue.]

THIS IS H PB 24 0 6 1 4.

THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE NEW HOME.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

MS. WEINSTEIN BERMAN.

MR. MEYER? YES.

MR. EHRLICH? YES.

UH, MS. CAR MARGO? YES.

MR. BRESLIN? YES.

MR. STEWART? YES.

[ HPB24-0615, 1818 Michigan Avenue.]

THIRD MOTION WOULD BE FOR HPB 24 0 6 1 5.

THIS IS 1818 MICHIGAN AVENUE.

UM, WE'LL NEED TWO MOTIONS, BUT THE FIRST MOTION WOULD BE FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE NEW HOME.

AND, AND CAN WE ADD THE YEAH.

UM, THE C WALL.

I'M, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

YOU'LL DO IT.

I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE, UH, APPROVE IT WITH ADDING SOME, UH, EXTRA DIMENSION TO THE SEA WALL, UH, TO THE SEA WALL.

ACTUALLY, IF THE ORIGINAL ONE HAD ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF STEPS BUILT INTO IT THAT WENT UP TO THAT AREA, I DON'T KNOW IF DERM WILL ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT OR NOT.

'CAUSE YOU STILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, A SEAWALL CAP.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T GO ANY HIGHER.

BUT, BUT ANYWAY, THE EXTERIOR OF THE, OF THE BU BUILDING ITSELF THAT YOU HAVE THE, UH, ADDITIONAL, UM, LET'S JUST SAY TRIM AROUND THE WINDOW AREAS AND MAKE IT LOOK JUST A LITTLE MORE INVITING TO PEOPLE WALKING BY.

UM, AND THAT'S MY MOTION.

CAN, CAN I CLARIFY BECAUSE I THINK WHAT MAY BE CAUSING THE REACTION, AND I I WOULD AGREE WITH THIS, IS THAT THE, THE GABLE, THE PROJECTING GABLE OVER THE DOOR WAS A VERY DECORATIVE ELEMENT CURRENTLY TO PROJECT THE GABLE THE WAY IT WAS HISTORICALLY, WHICH I WOULD SUPPORT, WOULD BE PROJECTING OVER THE SEA WALL, WHICH IS CITY OWNED.

CITY OWNED PROPERTY OUTSIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY.

SO THAT WOULD NEED ADDITIONAL APPROVALS.

NO, I, I WASN'T LOOKING TO DO THAT.

SO I WAS ONLY IF AT ALL PO BEFORE WHEN I WOULD LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY AS IT'S FALLING APART, YOU WOULD WALK OUT THERE AND THERE'D BE TWO STEPS DOWN TO THE WATER ONTO OVER THE SEA WALL THAT, THAT WAS PART OF THE SEA WALL.

AND I'M, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ADD A STEP OR TWO JUST TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE INVITING TO THAT AREA, BUT THAT'S JUST A, A THOUGHT.

BUT THE ONLY THING I'M PUTTING IN MY MOTION IS TO, UH, ADD TO THE FACADE, UH, A LITTLE MORE, UH, UH, FENESTRATION DECORATION TO MAKE IT NOT SO STARK.

IT, IT IS MATCHING WHAT WAS THERE HISTORICALLY ON THE PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE TWENTIES, I BELIEVE.

SO WE CAN ADD IT, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL THAN WHAT WAS THERE HISTORICALLY.

BUT SEE NOW IT'S SO HUGE AND STARK.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHEN YOU GOT, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT JUST SEA WALL AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE BUILDING ABOVE IT, AND ALL YOU HAVE IS THIS LITTLE TRIM WORK AROUND THE, THE, UH, DOORWAY AND YOU'VE GOT A GATE.

UH, AND YES, YOU PUT SOME EXTRA HANGING PLANTS, BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO, NEEDS SOMETHING IS, IS IN MY FEELING.

AND MAYBE IF IT'S A STUCCO TREATMENT, BECAUSE BACK THEN WE DIDN'T HAVE FLAT, YOU KNOW, STUCCO, YOU KNOW, TO JUST MAKE IT MORE APPEALING TO PASSERBY.

SO SHOULD IT BE A MOTION PERHAPS TO WORK WITH THE STAFF? WORK WITH STAFF, YEAH.

WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT TO DEVELOP A, SOME SORT OF A MOTIF ON THAT.

WE'LL LEAVE THAT WORK WITH, WITH STAFF.

SO THAT'S MY MOTION.

JUST, JUST TO POINT OUT, STAFF IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE HISTORICAL IMAGE, BUT I AGREE THAT THE STUCCO, I THINK COULD BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF TEXTURE THAT WOULD BE MORE COMMONLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE 1920S.

MAYBE EVEN SOMETHING LIKE A LIME PAINT WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL.

MM-HMM .

UM, AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY COMING ACROSS IN SOME OF THE DRAWINGS, THE, THE DECORATIVE IRON GRILLS.

AND SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM ON THAT.

BUT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA DEVIATE TOO MUCH FROM THE ORIGINAL? NO, NO, I JUST, OKAY.

I JUST WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT JUST STANDS OUT A LITTLE BIT AND MAYBE VERY GOOD, MAYBE GRILL WORK WOULD, WOULD DO THAT.

MM-HMM .

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST SOMETHING.

I'LL DO THAT.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.

SO WE HAD A MOTION.

DID WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

DO WE HAVE MOTION? IS THERE MOTION FOR THE VARIANCES ON 18? 18? SHOULD ACCEPT THE VARIANCES AS PRESENTED.

LET ME CALL THE ROLL.

MS CAR MARGO? YES.

MS. WEINSTEIN BERMAN? YES.

IS THAT FOUR? NO, THE VARIANCES.

THEN THE LAST, THE LAST MOTION WOULD BE FOR THE VARIANCES FOR 18.

18.

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DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.

LET ME CALL THE ROLE.

OKAY, WE'RE GETTING DOWN TO THE END OF THE

[2. HPB24-0636, 318 Lincoln Road.]

AGENDA.

OUR FINAL APPLICATION, UH, THIS MORNING, STILL MORNING, UM, IS HPB 24 0 6 3 6 3 18.

LINCOLN ROAD AND APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE EXTERIOR FACADE MODIFICATIONS.

THE SUBJECT BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1945 AND IS CLASSIFIED AS NON-CONTRIBUTING.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO RENOVATE THE LINCOLN ROAD FACADE, INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING CLADDING ALONG THE WESTERN UPPER FACADE, WHICH IS IN POOR CONDITION, AND TO BE REPLACED WITH FLUID PANELS IN SET WITH VERTICAL LED LIGHTING AND TWINKLING SPOTLIGHTS.

THIS MODIFICATION AND THE PROPOSED PAINT SCHEME MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER AND SHOULD ELEVATE THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE ALONG THIS VEHICULAR PORTION OF LINCOLN ROAD.

UH, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED APPLICATION AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS OUTLINED IN THE DRAFT FINAL ORDER.

UH, DO THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO.

WELL, WELCOME.

BEFORE WE BEGIN, COULD SOMEONE HELP ME, UH, FIND MY POWERPOINT? UH, WE NEED HELP WITH THE POWERPOINT.

CAN YOU PUT IT UP PLEASE? THAT IS MADE PRESENTATION.

NO, I HAD, I HAD A, I HAD A POWERPOINT, WHICH YEAH, IT WAS THAT ONE.

OH, I'M SORRY.

NO WORRIES.

SO IT WAS IN PEF, IT'S JUST ITEM TWO.

GOT IT.

THERE'S ALSO, DO YOU HAVE, UH, TWO OTHER PRESENTATIONS? DO YOU WANT THOSE AS WELL OR NO, THIS ONE'S FINE.

THIS ONE'S FINE.

YOU CAN EITHER USE THIS OR CLICK OR RIGHT THERE.

HELLO EVERYONE AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME TO, UH, SPEAK TO US TODAY.

MY NAME IS JOSH ROBBINS AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF, UH, THREE 18 LINCOLN ROAD.

BACK IN THE 1950S, THIS PART OF LINCOLN ROAD WAS LIKE THE TIMES SQUARE OF MIAMI BEACH FULL OF LIGHT VIBRANCE AND ACTIVITY.

TODAY, HOWEVER, THAT ENERGY HAS GONE AND HAS BEEN REALLY REPLACED WITH LIGHT AND DARKNESS.

WHAT WAS, ONCE THE HEARTBEAT OF MIAMI BEACH HAS ARGUABLY BECOME ONE OF ITS LEAST INVITING AREAS AND WALK BY AT NIGHT.

AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT PEOPLE LOITERING IN ITS DIMLY LIT SIDEWALKS.

THANKFULLY, EFFORTS ARE UNDERWAY TO BRING THIS AREA BACK TO ITS FORMER GLORY, LIKE PEDESTRIAN IT WITH THE REST OF LINCOLN ROAD.

BUT THOSE AREA, BUT THOSE EFFORTS ARE STILL IN THE EARLY STAGES AND WHO KNOWS IF OR WHEN THEY'LL COME TO FRUITION, RATHER THAN US SITTING BACK AND HOPING THAT THE CHANGES HAPPEN, WE WANT TO BRING ABOUT THOSE CHANGES OURSELVES.

WHEN WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY BACK IN JULY, WE SAW THE POTENTIAL THAT HAD, BUT WE KNEW WE HAD OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US.

THE BUILDING FACADE UNTOUCHED FOR DECADES SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

IT'S WORN PAINT TILES FALLING OFF.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD SEE, BUT THERE'S TREES GROWING OUT FROM ITS CRACKS.

WE KNEW THAT WE COULD JUST SLAP ON A FRESH PAINT OF A FRESH COAT OF PAINT AND CALL IT A DAY, BUT WE FIGURED THIS WAS THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY, OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING TRULY SPECIAL.

AS WE RESEARCHED THIS BUILDING'S HISTORY, WE STUMBLED UPON THIS INCREDIBLE, THIS INCREDIBLE POSTCARD THAT I ACTUALLY HAVE RIGHT HERE.

YOU DON'T MIND OUR BUILDING IS IN THE BACKGROUND, BUT WHAT REALLY CAUGHT OUR EYE IS THIS DARBY'S BUILDING IN THE FRONT.

ITS CHARMING CHARACTER REALLY INSPIRED US, AND WE QUICKLY REALIZED THAT WE COULD BRING THIS FACADE, THAT OUR BUILDING WOULD BE THE PERFECT CANVAS TO BRING THIS

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FACADE BACK TO LIFE.

YOU CAN SEE FROM OUR PICTURE THAT WE'RE NOT ONLY TRYING TO DO SOMETHING HISTORIC, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO BRING SOMETHING HISTORIC BACK TO LIFE.

AND, BUT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ACTIVATING OUR FACADE FOR THE AESTHETICS.

IT'S REALLY ABOUT RESTORING LIGHT, DETERRING NEFARIOUS ACTIVITY AND CREATING A SAFE, A SAFE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO HANG OUT.

WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO INVITE OUR ARCHITECT, MARK HARRINGTON, TO DISCUSS THE DESIGN FEATURES OF OUR PROJECT, OUR PROPOSED PROJECT.

UH, THANKS FOR CONSIDERING PROPOSAL TODAY.

UM, YOU GUYS PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH IT.

IT'S, UH, BETWEEN, UH, LINCOLN AND COLLINS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET ON THE 40 FOOT TALL STRUCTURE, UM, WAS REALLY THE ORIGINAL THEATER, WHICH WE'RE REALLY NOT AFFECTING AT ALL THE LOWER VOLUME.

UM, UH, UH, WE'RE PLANNING TO BASICALLY REFINISH THE ENTIRE, UH, SURFACE AND REALLY INSPIRED BY THE HISTORICAL RESEARCH IN THE DARBY UH, FACADE.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS SOME THESE VERTICAL STRIPS AS NEON WILL BE CREATED WITH, UH, LED SET IN FOR THAT STUCCO, UH, AND A FLUTED, UH, STUCCO DETAIL, VERTICAL FLUTES.

UM, THE STRIP LIGHTING WOULD BE FAR MORE DURABLE THAN THE ORIGINAL NEON CONTROLLABLE.

AND, UM, AND THE SIGNAGE, WHICH ISN'T PART OF OUR PROPOSAL.

UM, IT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE, THE CITY'S ALREADY, UH, APPROVED FOR THIS SPECIAL SIGNAGE DISTRICT, WHICH IS REALLY A, A HIGHER SQUARE FOOTAGE TO BRING THAT ENERGY BACK TO THE AREA.

UM, AND THOSE ALL WILL COME AS A LATER APPLICATION.

AND THAT'S BASICALLY IT.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR COMMENTS.

CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

UM, ARE THERE A BOARD MEMBER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I MEAN, YOU ARE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS PART OF THE, THE FACT YOU WANNA CLOSE LINCOLN ROAD OFF OR LINCOLN ROAD OFF AND JUST LIKE THE OTHER SIDE AND WHATNOT.

SO YOUR PLAN IS SORT OF TYING INTO THAT.

ARE YOU CHANGING THE, UM, UH, THE VENDORS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE IN YOUR BUILDING? UM, WE, WE BOUGHT THE BUILDING WITH, UH, LEASERS, UH, ENCUMBERING IT, BUT WE ARE BRINGING IN NEW VENDORS.

WE'VE ALREADY SIGNED A COUPLE LEASES AND WE DO PLAN ON WHEN YOU STARTED, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE WAY YOU'RE DOING THE OUT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SEEDING AND EVERYTHING AND REALLY BRINGING THE, THE BUILDING UP TO THE NEXT LEVEL.

I MEAN, THAT PARTICULAR BLOCK OF LINCOLN ROAD, I THINK WE COULD ALL SAY IS LESS DESIRABLE THAN MAYBE WE'D LIKE IT TO BE.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS.

THANK YOU, RYAN.

I, YEAH, I I WOULD ECHO THE SAME POINT.

I I REALLY APPRECIATE THE INVESTMENT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE MADE IN THIS, THIS DISTRICT, AND ESPECIALLY IN THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK.

UM, I'M CURIOUS ON THIS, JUST ON THE SIGNAGE, WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE.

UM, THERE.

IS THAT OKAY.

WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING ON DOING WITH THE SIGNAGE? I MEAN, I, I, I SEE THE, THE FLUTING AND THE LED AND WHATNOT, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE ACTUAL, LIKE ALL START AND FILL IN THE BLANKS .

UM, BUT SO WE, UH, I THINK IN YOUR PACKET AND JUST FROM A PRACTICAL POINT OF VIEW, ARE THE, THE CURRENT LESSEES, LIKE ARE THEIR SIGNAGE IS ALSO GONNA BE THERE AS WELL? OR IS THAT, UH, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

SO, UM, I THINK IN A PACKET THAT WE GAVE YOU, WE HAVE RENDERINGS WITHOUT THE SIGNAGE, BUT IT, IT JUST LOOKED A LITTLE NAKED WITHOUT THE SIGN.

SO THAT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE DISPLAYING THESE.

UM, THIS PART OF THE, THE BUILDING WHEN WE BOUGHT IT HAD NO TENANTS IN IT.

SO THOSE SIGNS ARE ALL SPECULATIVE.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY THE HISTORIC SIGNS FROM THAT POSTCARD THAT I, THAT I PASSED AROUND TO YOU GUYS.

BUT YEAH, WE'RE, UM, WE'RE PLANNING ON BRINGING IN TENANTS AND WE ACTUALLY, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU, IF YOU'RE ALL AWARE, BUT THIS PART OF LINCOLN ROAD HAS A VERY SPECIAL SIGNAGE LAW WHERE YOU COULD ACTUALLY COVER 35% OF THE FACADE WITH SIGNAGE AFTER THEY, THEY COME, I THINK GET YOUR APPROVAL OR DESIGN APPROVAL SO SQUARE IT'S LIKE RIGHT.

IT'S OUR, IT'S OUR TIMES SQUARE.

EXACTLY.

IS THE, IS THE THOUGHT THAT YOU WOULD USE SOME OF THE SAME ICONOGRAPHY AND FONTS THAT WERE USED IN THE ORIGINAL OR, OR WOULD THAT BE OPEN TO THE LESSES? I WOULD ASSUME THAT WOULD BE OPEN TO, I, I LOVE IT PERSONALLY.

I LIKE, I LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS WITH THE OLD STYLE FONT, BUT NOW THAT WOULD REALLY BE UP TO THE LESSES.

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MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY.

SO, UM, SO MR. ROBBINS, YOU'RE CORRECT.

THIS IS IN, WITHIN THE LINCOLN ROAD SIGNAGE DISTRICT, WHICH DOES ENCOURAGE FANCIFUL CREATIVE, REALLY INTERESTING SIGNS IN CHARACTER WITH THAT KIND OF MID-CENTURY PERIOD.

UM, THESE ARE JUST PLACEHOLDERS.

IF A, IF THEIR FUTURE TENANTS, UM, AND I KNOW IT'S THEIR INTENT TO, TO ENCOURAGE THEIR FUTURE TENANTS TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S ARTISTIC AND VERY CREATIVE FOR THIS, FOR THIS BUILDING.

UM, IF EACH OF THOSE TENANTS DECIDE THAT AND THE OWNERS AGREE THAT YES, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH A REALLY COOL SIGN THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED BRIAN TO COME BACK TO YOU.

SO THE SPECIFICS OF ANY TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, HIGHLY DECORATIVE INTERESTING SIGN WOULD BE REQUIRED TO RETURN TO THIS BOARD FOR INDIVIDUAL APPROVALS OR A SEPARATE APPROVAL.

UM, AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING 'CAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO PORTRAY THAT IN THEIR RENDERINGS WITH THE HISTORIC SIGNAGE.

BUT THE, THE NEW SIGNAGE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK SPECIFICALLY.

UM, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? SO ELIZABETH, SORRY, AND THEN I'LL GET, NO, THAT'S ALL.

UH, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE PROPOSING WE ARE DOING ALL THE STOREFRONTS AS WELL, PLUS THE AREA ABOVE THE STOREFRONT WHERE THE SIGNAGE GOES? IS THAT CORRECT? OR THE STOREFRONTS ARE REMAINING THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE.

THE, THE STOREFRONT, AGAIN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MARK, BUT THE STORE, WE'RE JUST DOING THE, THE EVERYTHING ABOVE, ABOVE THE, THE STOREFRONTS, THE, THE NEON LIGHTS.

ALRIGHT, THANKS TESCO.

THANK YOU MR. ROBS.

IT'S NICE TO SEE THE NEXT GENERATION TAKING OVER.

YOU'RE RELEASING THE RAINS TO ALLOW 'EM TO, UH, PRESENT TO US.

UM, IN YOUR LETTER OF INTENT, YOU STATE, UM, IN FACT OUR PROPOSED LIGHTING AND FAAR PLAN IS NEARLY INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM WHAT WAS PRESENT ON THE TWO TO 300 BLOCK.

SO ARE WE TO EXPECT ESSENTIALLY THE SAME LIGHT INTENSITY, THE SAME CHARACTERS AND SO FORTH AS WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON YOUR RENDERINGS? YEAH, I, I THINK SO.

YOU KNOW, THE NICE THING ABOUT NEON IS YOU CAN CONTROL IT'S DIMMABLE, UM, WAY MORE CONTROLLABLE THAN THE, AND WE WORRY ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.

YOU DON'T WANT IT TO FEEL OVERPOWERING AND WE ARE IN CONTROL OF THAT.

UH, A GOOD THING, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL, IT LOOKS ALMOST OVERPOWERING A LITTLE BIT.

UM, I'LL JUST ASK THE, IN THE, IN, UH, THE STAFF REPORT, I THINK THEY TALKED ABOUT A, AN AWNING, UM, PLAN OR, UM, LET'S SEE, A PLAN FOR, UH, SIGNAGE.

LIKE A, A GUIDE I GUESS LIKE TO ESTABLISH SOME ARE YOU YEAH, THAT'S ON A SEVEN.

UM, ARE YOU THINKING OF THAT? DOTS IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ALLOWED.

UM, AND, UH, THE AWNINGS ARE UNCHANGED AT THIS POINT.

SO THERE'S NO AWNING PLAN, UH, ACCORDING TO THE, WE ACTUALLY REMOVED ONE OF THE AWNINGS, CORRECT? YEAH.

SO, UM, ACTUALLY WE, WE HAVE A PERMIT RIGHT NOW, JUST A CLEANUP PERMIT FOR THE LAST SPACE THAT WE HAVE TO LEASE.

AND THE AWNING CLOSEST TO THE, TO THE WEST.

UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING RID OF IT JUST 'CAUSE THERE'S PIGEONS HANG OUT THERE AND IT, IT'S KIND OF GROWS.

SO WE, WE JUST WANT TO CLEAN IT UP.

BUT ONE OF THE AWNINGS, UH, IS, UH, I GUESS IT IS, UH, IS OUR TENANTS AND THAT'S STAYING.

AND, UH, SO DEBBIE, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE STAFF ANALYSIS, I DON'T SEE IT IN THE FINAL ORDER, BUT I MIGHT NOT BE, IS IT, IT'S, UM, CONDITION ONE C? SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS, UM, A, FOR THEM TO STUDY A FU LIKE A MASTER PLAN FOR FUTURE AWNINGS AND SIGNAGE.

AND ALSO WE HAVE THAT CONDITION ABOUT THE PAINT COLOR.

'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER TIME IS INDIVIDUAL TENANTS HAVE PUT THEIR OWN THINGS UP AND EVEN THEIR OWN PAINT COLORS ON THE BUILDING.

IT'S ONE BUILDING.

UP WITH A CONSISTENT, YOU KNOW, AWNING PROGRAM FOR THE BUILDING AND NOT ALLOW EACH ONE TO DO THEIR OWN THING.

SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS KIND OF A CONSISTENCY THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING AS PART OF A A, A PLAN.

AND WE UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT ALL GONNA HAPPEN AT ONCE NECESSARILY BECAUSE TENANTS WILL COME AND GO AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

BUT THAT THERE'D BE A PLAN IN PLACE FOR SIGNAGE, THE LOCATION OF SIGNAGE FOR AWNINGS SO THAT WE, WE END

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SO ARE YOU, OH, JUST, JUST ONE SECOND.

SO YOU, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT, UM, WITH THE, WITH THE STAFF RECOMMEND WITH THE STAFF ORDER AS AS IT'S WRITTEN, WHICH INCLUDES THAT? YEAH, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

IT, IT, IT MAY JUST MAKES OUR BUILDING LOOK BETTER.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

WELL, EXACTLY.

IT'S JUST YOU, YOU HADN'T PRE QUITE PRESENTED THAT.

UM, BUT IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S, UM, DEFINITELY PART OF YOUR PLAN.

SO RAY, I'M SORRY I INTERRUPTED.

IT REQUIRES ANYTHING TO DO ANYWAY, REQUIRES ANYTHING THEY DO ANYWAY REQUIRES A PERMIT.

WELL, IT'S AN AWNING OR REHAN EVEN PAINTING A COLOR.

I MEAN, SO THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

THERE IS CONTROL.

ALRIGHT, SO WITH THAT IS, IS THERE, UM, ANY BOARD DISCLOSURES? NO.

I THOUGHT THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN, BUT, UM, OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, I SEE WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, UH, DANIEL ERALDO.

UH, YES.

DANIEL ERALDO WITH MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE, WE SUPPORT THE PROPOSED FACADE MODIFICATIONS SUBJECT TO STAFF CONDITIONS.

THE INTRODUCTION OF POLLUTED PANELS WITH LED LIGHTING APPROPRIATELY REFERENCES A VIBRANT ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF 1950S LINCOLN ROAD.

AND WE ALSO APPRECIATE THE UNIFIED, UH, LOOK AND PAINT SCHEME, WHICH WILL ENHANCE THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.

WE KNOW THAT THIS AREA HAS BEEN IN A DECLINE, SOME SAY, MANAGED DECLINE OVER THE LAST DECADE OR SO.

AND WE ARE HOPING THAT THE NEW OWNERS WILL PROPERLY MAINTAIN THEIR BUILDINGS AND BRING THE STREET AND THE BLOCK BACK UP TO THE EXPECTATIONS WE EXPECT, UH, THE ART DECO DISTRICT.

ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? I, UM, I HAD A CHANCE JUST TO CHECK IN WITH DEBBIE BEFORE THIS, AND I ASKED, AND, UH, MAYBE YOU GUYS WOULD GIVE ME YOUR OPINION ON THIS.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT, UH, CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT UNLESS THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE.

NO.

SO WITH THAT, UM, WE CAN EITHER, IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO MAKE IT BOARD MEMBERS OR ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THIS PROJECT, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

LET ME CALL THE ROLL.

MS. WEINSTEIN BERMAN.

SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR REGULAR AGENDA, UH, THIS MORNING.

UH, DO THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE

[DISCUSSION ITEMS AND PROGRESS REPORTS]

I ASKED IF, UM, UH, WE COULD RECOMMEND TO STAFF TO, UM, SEE IF WE COULD GET A RE A PRESENTATION BY THE, UM, TEAM THAT DETERMINED THAT SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE BUILDINGS, A COUPLE OF THEM IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS WERE, UM, SUBSIDING AND JUST TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE DATA IS AND WHAT, UM, WHAT THEY THINK IT IS.

SO I, AND, AND DEBBIE SAID SHE WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UM, OR REQUEST BY THE BOARD TO KIND OF REACH OUT TO THEM AND, UM, SEE IF THEY WOULD DO THAT FOR US.

I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GREAT FORM AND IT WILL ALSO BE RECORDED SO PEOPLE, THE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT AND, AND POTENTIALLY THEY'LL MAKE A PRESENTATION TO US YES.

IF THAT, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO, I WILL CERTAINLY EXTEND THE INVITATION AND YES.

AND GIVE THAT REQUEST.

AND THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I WILL, I'LL GIVE THEM THE, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT FEW MEETING DATES AND, AND SEE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO TO COME.

UM, IF NOT, ALTERNATIVELY, I COULD ALSO OFFER, THEY COULD PRESENT VIA ZOOM.

OH YEAH, YEAH, FOR SURE.

YES, YES.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

GREAT.

WE DIDN'T NEED A FORMAL MOTION, BUT THAT'S STRONGER.

THERE YOU GO.

STRONGER.

I CAN REPORT BACK TO THEM THAT, UM, OKAY.

NINE IS APPROVAL OF THE MOTION.

I WAS ONLY GONNA SAY THAT I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE FOR THE JANUARY MEETING.

YOU'RE GONNA BE UNDER THE, THE LINDSAY'S WONDERFUL LEADERSHIP.

BUT I WANT TO JUST WISH YOU ALL, WELL FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR A WONDERFUL YEAR, UH, FULL OF GRATITUDE FOR ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS AND OBSERVATIONS AND, UH, THAT I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT, UH, GREAT HOLIDAY AND, UM, COME BACK REFRESHED.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE.