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GOOD MORNING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 11TH, UM, MEETING OF THE MIAMI BEACH HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.I'D LIKE TO TAKE A, A MOMENT PRIVILEGE AND WISH MY, MY COLLEAGUE, RAY BRESLIN, A HAPPY BIRTHDAY TODAY AND, UH, WITH THAT, SO HAPPY, HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
AND, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THE MEETING OVER TO, UH, DEBBIE ETT.
UM, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO NICKIS, UM, FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO READ THE NOTICE REGARDING LOBBYISTS, UH, REGISTRATION AND, AND SWEAR IN ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO TESTIFY TODAY.
AND GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD WILL BE CONDUCTED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH THE BOARD PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AT MIAMI BEACH CITY HALL, AND APPLICANT'S STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY IN TODAY'S MEETING.
THE PUBLIC MAY DIAL 1-888-475-FOUR 4 9 9 AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 1 7 4 8 3 4 7 4 8 8 POUND, OR LOG INTO THE ZOOM APP AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH AGAIN IS 8 1 7 4 8 3 4 7 4 8 8.
UH, IF YOU'RE APPEAR ON BEHALF OF A BUSINESS, A CORPORATION, OR ANOTHER PERSON, YOU NEED TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
IF YOU HAVEN'T REGISTERED YET, YOU SHOULD REGISTER BEFORE YOU SPEAK TO THE BOARD.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ONLY ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF AND NOT ANY OTHER PARTY, OR IF YOU'RE TESTIFYING AS AN EXPERT WITNESS, PROVIDING ONLY SCIENTIFIC, TECHNICAL, OR OTHER SPECIALIZED INFORMATION OR TESTIMONY IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING, OR IF YOU'RE APPEARING AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION OR REIMBURSEMENT FOR YOUR APPEARANCE TO EXPRESS SUPPORT OF YOUR OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM.
EXPERT WITNESSES AND REPRESENTATIVES OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SHALL PRIOR TO APPEARING DISCLOSE IN WRITING TO THE CITY CLERK, THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THE PRINCIPLE ON WHOSE BEHALF THEY'RE COMMUNICATING.
IF YOU'RE AN ARCHITECT, ATTORNEY, OR EMPLOYEE REPRESENTING AN APPLICANT OR AN OBJECTOR, YOU MUST REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST.
THESE RULES APPLY WHETHER YOU'RE APPEARING IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST AN ITEM, OR ENCOURAGING OR ARGUING AGAINST ITS PASSAGE, DEFEAT, MODIFICATION, OR CONTINUANCE.
AND LASTLY, I'D LIKE TO SWEAR IN ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR STAFF WILL BE TESTIFYING TODAY.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.
UM, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UH, ON THE AGENDA THIS MORNING.
UM, THE FIRST IS, UH, WE HAD PASSED OUT A SCHEDULE OF MEETINGS FOR 2025 TO ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
WE, UH, YOU ALSO HAVE THIS, UH, I BELIEVE IN YOUR EMAIL, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT NOT EVERY MEETING FOR 2025 WILL BE THE SECOND TUESDAY.
WE HAVE A FEW THAT ARE THE THIRD TUESDAY, SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE A NOTE OF THAT.
UM, THE NEXT ANNOUNCEMENT I HAVE IS WITH REGARD TO A NEW REQUIREMENT FOR ALL OF THE CITY'S LAND USE BOARDS, WHICH IS TO TAKE A TOUR, UM, THAT THE MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE OFFERS OF THE ART DECO DISTRICT.
UM, I'VE TAKEN THE TOUR, IT'S INCREDIBLE.
UM, SO REGARDLESS IF IT'S A REQUIREMENT OR NOT, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT THAT, UM, ANYONE WHO HAS NOT TAKEN IT SIGN UP FOR IT.
UH, THEY DO OFFER THE TOURS EVERY SINGLE DAY, UM, AND THE BOARD MEMBERS CAN DO THAT IN THEIR, IN THEIR, YOU KNOW, FLEX WHATEVER SCHEDULE THAT YOU HAVE.
UM, BUT I WILL BE SENDING AN EMAIL FOLLOW UP WITH, UH, THEIR INFORMATION AND HOW YOU CONTACT THEM AND SCHEDULE THAT TOUR.
UM, BUT IT IS PRETTY FLEXIBLE SINCE THEY OFFER IT EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.
UM, THE NEXT ANNOUNCEMENT I HAVE IS WE DO HAVE SEVERAL DISCUSSION ITEMS THIS MORNING.
UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, A TIME CERTAIN FOR ONE OF THE DISCUSSION ITEMS, WHICH IS THE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI SUBSIDENCE, UM, ITEM WE HAVE, UH, DR. BERG, ANDREW ALU, UM, WHO HAS GRACIOUSLY, UM, OFFERED TO, TO ATTEND THE MEETING AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BOARD MEMBERS HAVE AND, AND GIVE A BRIEF SUMMARY OF OF THEIR FINDINGS.
UM, SO WHEREVER WE ARE IN THE AGENDA, I WOULD ASK, UM, THAT WE PAUSE IF WE NEED TO AND TAKE THAT ITEM.
UM, WITH THAT, IT APPEARS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FIVE BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT TO ABSENT.
WE HAVE, UM, ELIZABETH CAMARGO AND LAURA WEINSTEIN BERMAN ABSENT.
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SO LET'S GET STARTED.[ Election of Chair and Vice-Chair]
HAVE ONE ITEM, UM, BEFORE WE GET TO THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH, IT, WHICH WOULD BE THE ELECTION OF THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.UM, WE DO HAVE A SHORT BOARD, BUT WE DO NEED TO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION TO THE CLERK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A FULL BOARD, THAT WOULD BE HOPEFULLY NEXT MONTH OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT NOW.
I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO KEEP THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AS THEY CURRENTLY ARE.
OKAY, SO THAT'S THE HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. UH, THE
[1. December 17, 2024 meeting ]
FIRST ITEM IS THE APPROVAL OF THE DECEMBER 17TH, UH, MEETING MINUTES.DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR MOTION? OKAY, WE HAVE A SECOND.
[2. HPB24-0628, 900 Ocean Drive.]
RIGHT.SO I, OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS MORNING IS HPB 24 0 6 2 8.
AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE EAST FACADE OF THE BUILDING, INCLUDING THE INTRODUCTION OF A GLASS CANOPY STRUCTURE AND A VARIANCE FOR REDUCED, UH, SETBACKS.
UM, THIS PROPERTY ACTUALLY CONTAINS, UH, TWO ORIGINAL CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS.
WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE ALTERATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE OVER TIME.
WE HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH, UM, ON PAGE SEVEN OF OUR STAFF ANALYSIS OF THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION.
UM, NOW IT, IT APPEARS TO BE MORE OF A SINGLE BUILDING.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, UM, JUST TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ALTERATIONS OVER TIME, UM, TO THIS BUILDING.
IT WAS DESIGNED BY, UH, GILBERT FINE IN THE POSTWAR MODERN STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE.
UM, IN THE EARLY 1990S IS WHEN THE MAJOR CHANGES WERE DONE TO THIS BUILDING, WHICH IS WHAT MAKES IT APPEAR TO BE A SINGLE BUILDING.
NOW, THAT CENTER COURTYARD, UM, WAS SIGNIFICANTLY ENCLOSED.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY REQUESTING THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW DOUBLE HEIGHT STOREFRONT SYSTEM ALONG THE EAST FACADE, WHICH IS THE OCEAN DRY FACADE IN PLACE OF THE EXISTING METAL GATE AND PLASTIC RAIN SCREEN.
UM, STAFF WOULD NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, IS PROPOSING THIS STRATEGY FOR THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF RETAINING SOUND ON THE INTERIOR.
THIS PARTICULAR, UM, PROPERTY DOES HAVE A, A ROBUST ENTERTAINMENT COMPONENT OF THEIR OPERATIONS.
AND, UH, FOR A CONCERN OF NOISE SPILLING OUT INTO OCEAN DRIVE, THEY CAME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
UM, THE BOARD DID APPROVE A SIMILAR PROJECT IN 2021.
HOWEVER, AS PART OF THAT APPROVAL, THE BOARD ALSO REQUIRED AS A CONDITION OF THAT APPROVAL THAT THE EXISTING RETRACTABLE AWNINGS THAT WERE ATTACHED TO THE EAST FACADE OF THE BUILDING BE REMOVED.
I WOULD NOTE, AND THE THE HISTORY IS SOMEWHAT COMPLICATED HERE, THAT THOSE RETRACTABLE AWNINGS THAT THE BOARD CONDITION TO BE REMOVED WERE ACTUALLY APPROVED BY THE BOARD IN A PREVIOUS APPLICATION.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS A CHANGE, SO WE DID NOT, YOU KNOW, WE FOUND THAT THAT CONDITION AT THE TIME WAS PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE.
UM, SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH JOSE GOMEZ AND MONICA ENTIN EXTENSIVELY PROBABLY FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS, UH, MAYBE LONGER, UM, ON A SOLUTION THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY ALLOW THEM TO RETAIN THE AWNINGS.
UM, WHILE GETTING THAT, UM, SOUND BARRIER WITH THE GLASS WALL, UM, I THINK WE CAME UP WITH A REALLY INTERESTING SOLUTION, WHICH IS, UM, WHICH IS INCLUSIVE OF RESTORATIVE WORK.
UM, AGAIN, YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING NOW AND YOU LOOK, COMPARE IT TO THE HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPH, AND WE DID SEE OPPORTUNITIES TO ACTUALLY BRING BACK SOME OF THOSE HISTORIC ELEMENTS, MOST NOTABLY THE BREEZE BLOCK.
UM, WHICH WE FIND IS A HIGHLY SIGNIFICANT FEATURE OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
UM, AND, UH, IMPORTANT TO BRING BACK.
SO WORKING WITH, UH, THE ARCHITECTS, THEY, THEY HAVE COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL TO DO JUST THAT.
UM, THEY HAVE ALSO, UH, REMOVED THE
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CENTER AWNING, UM, STRUCTURE, WHICH WE DO BELIEVE IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT OVER THE, UM, CURRENT CONDITION.AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING, UH, APPROVAL.
THE VARIANCE REQUEST IS FOR THE NEW CANOPY STRUCTURE.
SO THE CANOPY STRUCTURE, WHICH IS REMOVING THE EXISTING AWNING IS A SIMPLE GLASS PROJECTING ELEMENT, WHICH WE BELIEVE IS MORE APPROPRIATE THAN THE EXISTING, UM, AWNING STRUCTURE.
AND BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO THE, BASICALLY TO THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, THEY DO NEED A VARIANCE.
WE HAVE ANALYZED THIS IN TERMS OF, UM, PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES AND HARDSHIP.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE EXISTING BUILDING HAS SEVERAL NON-CONFORMING SETBACKS ALREADY, UH, INCLUDING THE FRONT SETBACK, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE TO PROVIDE THAT, THAT PROTECTION.
UM, WE WOULD NOTE THAT IF IT WAS NOT A PERMANENT GLASS AND STEEL STRUCTURE, IF IT WAS A FABRIC AWNING, UM, THEY WOULD NOT NEED A VARIANCE.
SO I THINK THIS SOLUTION WITH OPENING UP THAT CENTER, UM, DRIVEN BY OUR APPROPRIATENESS CRITERIA IS REALLY CAUSING THEM, UH, TO REQUEST THAT VARIANCE.
SO WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE VARIANCE AND OUR AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, FOR STAFF, FOR DEBBIE? MY ONLY QUESTION IS, I, I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS A, A, A PROPOSAL TO HAVE UNIFORM AWNINGS, UH, AND UMBRELLAS OR WHATEVER ON OCEAN DRIVE FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH, AND IT WAS PART OF THE, UM, 2017 GEO BOND MONEY THAT WAS SET ASIDE TO REDO OR REIMAGINE OCEAN DRIVE.
HOW DOES THIS FIT IN WITH THAT? SO THE, THE CONSISTENCY, UM, WAS OF THE, OF THE UMBRELLAS WAS, IS NOT A GEO BOND PROJECT.
THERE IS A SEPARATE OCEAN DRIVE PROJECT.
UM, THE, THE CITY, GOSH, PROBABLY ALMOST 10 YEARS AGO NOW, UM, DID DEVELOP DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE SIDEWALK CAFE PORTIONS OF OCEAN DRIVE.
AND THOSE GUIDELINES INCLUDED SOMEWHAT CO CONSISTENCY FOR THE UMBRELLAS ON THE SIDEWALK PORTION.
WE DO NOT HAVE SPECIFIC DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE PRIVATE PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHAT THIS PROPOSAL IS.
UM, AS PART OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A SELECTION OF FABRIC COLORS, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE UMBRELLAS.
AS PART OF THAT GUIDELINE, THERE WAS ALSO A PROVISION IN THE OCEAN DRIVE SIDEWALK CAFE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT ALLOWED THE BOARD TO DEVIATE FROM THAT IN TERMS OF THE RETRACTABLE AWNINGS EXTENDING OVER THE SIDEWALK.
UM, IF THE BOARD, IF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD APPROVED IT, THEY DIDN'T NEED TO CHOOSE THE STANDARD UMBRELLA WITH THE STANDARD COLORS.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD COULD HAVE APPROVE AN ALTERNATIVE, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE.
UM, THEY CAME BEFORE YOU AND ASKED FOR THESE RELATIVELY UNIQUE, UM, RETRACTABLE STRUCTURES AND THEY WERE APPROVED BY THE BOARD.
UM, DEBBIE, COULD YOU, I GUESS FURTHER TO THAT, ON THAT SAME TOPIC, UM, CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND IN TERMS OF WHAT THOSE STANDARD AWNING DESIGN SPECIFICATIONS ARE THAT EXIST? I, I GUESS NOW IN THE CODE, JUST SO THAT WE CAN, 'CAUSE I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE BOTH GETTING AT, PERHAPS I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR RAY, BUT IS, IS THIS QUESTION OF UNIFORMITY AND IT, AND THIS QUESTION OF IF EVEN THE SIDEWALK CAFES ARE ENVISIONING SOME SORT OF A UNIFORM DESIGN COLOR PALETTE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF THING, WE'RE, WE'RE CURIOUS AS TO HOW THAT COULD BE EXTENDED HERE PERHAPS, OR, OR I AM RATHER.
SO, SO IN OTHER WORDS, LIKE WHAT IS, WHAT'S THE CURRENT GUIDANCE ON THOSE SIDEWALK CAFES, AND DO WE HAVE THE PURVIEW ALSO TO INFLUENCE THAT DECISION HERE IN THIS, WITH THIS APPLICANT? SO THE CURRENT GUIDANCE WITH THE SIDEWALK CAFE PORTION OF THESE PROPERTIES, UM, IS BASICALLY A 10, A MAXIMUM UMBRELLA SIZE, UH, A STANDARD UMBRELLA OF 10 BY 10.
UM, AND I THINK WE HAD ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT COLORS.
UM, SO IT WASN'T, THEY ALL HAD TO BE WHITE OR THEY ALL HAD TO BE YELLOW.
UM, I KNOW WE HAD A YELLOW, WE HAD OF COURSE, WHITES,
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LIGHT GRAYS.THERE WAS A, A, A BLUE, UM, EVEN A PINK, UM, WE HAD ADOPTED AS A, AS A POTENTIAL COLOR A SEA.
AND THOSE ARE GREEN, THOSE ARE ALL SOLID COLORS, ARE NO STRIPES.
THOSE ARE ALL SOLID COLORS, ALL FABRIC.
UM, AND MORE OF THE, THE, THE STANDARD GUIDELINE IS THE TRADITIONAL UMBRELLA THAT YOU OPEN AND CLOSE, UM, WHETHER IT HAS, UH, I THINK SOME OF THE, THE RESTAURANTS ON OCEAN DRIVE ACTUALLY WENT EVEN FURTHER AND ACTUALLY DID LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A FOUNDATION INTO THE SIDEWALK, WHICH WE PERMITTED AS PART OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES SO THAT THEY WERE CLEANER AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE THOSE LARGE BASES AND THEY WERE ABLE TO BE REMOVED MUCH EASIER THAN, UM, THE ONES WITH THE, WITH THE LARGE BASES.
SO WE HAD GUIDELINES SPECIFIC TO UMBRELLAS.
NOW, IN THOSE GUIDELINES, THERE WAS ALSO A PROVISION SAYING THAT SOMEONE CAN DEVIATE FROM THAT AND DO THESE WHAT MANGOES HAS, WHICH IS THESE KIND OF RETRACTABLE UMBRELLA STRUCTURES.
AGAIN, NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER PROPERTIES, BUT THE GUIDELINES DID SAY IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO GO TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD TO GET THE ALTERNATIVE APPROVED, THEY COULD, THAT HAPPENED AND THE BOARD APPROVED WHAT IS THERE NOW, THE, THE BOARD APPROVED THIS, THIS APPARATUS THAT IS THERE AND ALSO APPROVED THE, I GUESS IT WAS, I WOULD BE A MORE OF AN AQUAMARINE COLOR AS WELL, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
WHICH IS, WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, AM I CORRECT? CORRECT.
THE AQUA WAS NOT ONE OF THE COLORS.
THERE WAS A PALE KIND OF SEA FOAM.
UM, AND THEN WHAT WAS YOUR, I, I GUESS I'M JUST CURIOUS TOO IN TERMS OF, BECAUSE I, I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE OLD PLANS AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY AWNING AWNINGS, YOU KNOW, ON THESE PLANS.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS KIND OF FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT, AND I, I AM VERY AWARE THAT THERE WERE MULTIPLE BOARDS HERE AND, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PERS UM, YOU KNOW, UH, PEOPLE INVOLVED IN DIFFERENT PRINCIPLES HERE, BUT WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT TO RESTORING IT MORE TO ITS ORIGINAL, UM, CONTEXT? YEAH, INITIALLY, AND I MEAN, THIS GOES BACK PROBABLY OVER 15, 20 YEARS, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS RELATIVELY CONSISTENT NOT TO ALLOW THESE AWNING STRUCTURES.
SO WE HAD, WE WERE CONSISTENT WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE DID THINK AT THE TIME, AND THIS GOES BACK A SIGNIFICANT WAY, UM, WE WERE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THESE STRUCTURES.
WE DID BELIEVE THAT OPENING UP THE FACADE AND, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCING THE MORE TRADITIONAL TYPE OF UMBRELLA STRUCTURES WOULD BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE.
HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID, THE BOARD SEVERAL BOARDS ACTUALLY DISAGREED WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVED WHAT'S THERE NOW, UM, OBVIOUSLY STAFF IS, IS VERY RESPECTFUL OF THE P PREVIOUS BOARD'S DECISION, THIS BOARD'S DECISION.
UM, AND SO WHEN WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT MORE RECENTLY, UM, THAT'S WHEN WE SAID, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT ARE APPROVED.
WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET SOME OF THOSE HISTORIC ELEMENTS BACK IF THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO RETAIN ITS PREVIOUS APPROVAL, NOT REMOVE THE AWNINGS.
UM, AND I THOUGHT WE CAME UP WITH A PRETTY CREATIVE SOLUTION.
UM, AND I WANNA THANK THE APPLICANT FOR AGREEING TO THIS AS WELL AS TO BRING BACK SOME OF THE MORE PERMANENT ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN LOST OVER TIME.
UM, I GUESS FOR FURTHER TO THAT POINT, AND I, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE INCLUSION OF THE BREEZE BLOCK HERE.
I'M CURIOUS AS TO TWO THINGS ON THE BREEZE BLOCK, AGAIN, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, FROM YOUR, YOUR VIEWPOINT HERE IS, ONE IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING, THE BREEZE BLOCK, AT LEAST IT APPEARS TO ME, DOES NOT GO ALL THE WAY UP THE BUILDING AS IT ORIGINALLY IS DEPICTED IN, IN, IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS, WHICH TO ME ACTUALLY GIVES IT A, A MORE RICHER FEEL.
SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT, ABOUT THAT OR IS THE RENDERING OFF MAY, MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION BY THE ARCHITECT SO THAT THEY'LL ANSWER SOME OF THOSE DESIGN QUESTIONS.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, A GOOD QUESTION AND BECAUSE IT'S REALLY A QUESTION FOR, FOR THE ARCHITECT.
I, I THINK JUST TO YOUR POINT, BRIAN, I THINK THE CLOSER WE CAN GET IT, AND IT MAY NOT BE EXACT DUE TO
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ALTERATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE BUILDING, THE CLOSER WE CAN GET IT TO THE IMAGE THAT'S ON PAGE SEVEN OF THE REPORT, THE BETTER.AND I GUESS JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION, WHICH I THINK IS A STAFF QUESTION IS, WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT, AND I'M ASSUMING IT HAS TO DO WITH RIGHT AWAY AND, AND THE LIKE, BUT WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT, UM, TO RESTORE SOME OF THE BREEZE BO BREEZE BLOCK DETAILS THAT FRAME THE BUILDING, UM, WITH THIS GATE LOOKING STRUCTURE? IS IT A GATE THAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE IN THE OLD PICTURE? LIKE IN THE FRONT YES.
OR FENCE, THE RAILING, IT'S LIKE A, A RAIL.
I DON'T THINK WE, DID YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT? WE, I DON'T BELIEVE WE DID, NO.
WITH THAT, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, SO NOW GOOD MORNING BOARD.
MONICA ENTON, MH HELA OFFICE IS AT 79 50 NORTHWEST 53RD STREET.
I'M JOINED TODAY BY THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD, JOSE GOMEZ.
UM, DEBBIE STOLE MUCH OF MY THUNDER, BUT I'D LIKE TO KIND OF REVERSE ARCHITECT MY PRESENTATION TO KIND OF ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP AND JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A BRIEF HISTORY ON, FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS TO WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING WITH REGARDS TO THE AWNINGS AND THE UMBRELLA STRUCTURES.
SO, AS DEBBIE INDICATED BACK IN 2004, THOSE AWNINGS WERE APPROVED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
WHEN THIS, WHEN THE CITY COMMISSION STARTED LOOKING AT, UM, A UNIFORMITY ON OCEAN DRIVE, WE WERE VERY INVOLVED WITH THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME IN THE CREATION OF THOSE GUIDELINES AND WORKED WITH THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE, AND THE COMMISSIONERS AT THE TIME WHILE WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AS A RESULT, WE, UM, WERE ABLE TO INCORPORATE A REQUIREMENT THAT IF WE WANTED TO KEEP THESE STRUCTURES, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD AND GET AN APPROVAL FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD FOR THOSE UMBRELLA STRUCTURES, WHICH IN FACT, WE DID.
THIS WAS DONE SIMULTANEOUS TO THOSE GUIDELINES THAT WE ARE NOW SPEAKING ABOUT.
SO WE WERE WORKING WITH THE CITY COMMISSION TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE, THE VIEW THAT THE COMMISSION HAD.
SO IN FACT, WE DO HAVE TWO HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD APPROVALS, ONE FOR THE AWNINGS AND ONE FOR THE UMBRELLA STRUCTURES.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE HISTORY OF THIS STRUCTURE, THE BUILDINGS WERE ORIGINALLY TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS.
THEY WERE THE PARK SEAT AND THE SURF SEA APARTMENTS.
SO THERE WAS NO CONNECTION IN BETWEEN THE TWO STORE, THE TWO BUILDINGS.
IT WAS ACTUALLY AN OPEN SPACE.
UM, OVER THE YEARS, THE, THE YOUTH STARTED OPERATING AS A SINGLE USE, AND THEREFORE, IN THE SEVENTIES, WE START SEEING THE ENCLOSURE, THE, THE CLOSURE OF THAT COURTYARD THROUGH THE INTRODUCTION OF ELEVATORS.
AND A LOT OF THOSE DESIGN ELEMENTS START TO LEAVE THE BUILDING IN THE SEVENTIES.
ONCE WE GET TO THE NINETIES IS WHEN WE SEE THE REAL CHANGES, WHERE WE NOW INCORPORATE EVERYTHING AS ONE.
WE DO STEPS LEADING UP TO THE STOREFRONTS.
WE CREATE STOREFRONTS WITH MORE GLASS.
WE ENCLOSE THE SPACE WITH THAT METAL GATE, WHICH WAS NOT HISTORIC, THAT COMES UP IN THE NINETIES.
AND WE ENCLOSE THE SPACE WITH THE ROOFTOP, UM, AGAIN IN THE NINETIES.
DURING THAT TIME, WE'VE OBTAINED ALL THE APPROVALS FROM THE BOARD FOR ALL THE USES, PERMITS, ET CETERA.
UM, IN 2021, WE DECIDED TO, UH, TRY TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO TO RETAIN SOUND WITHIN THE STRUCTURE.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE CAME UP WITH A MORE, UH, AGGRESSIVE LOOK FOR THE BUILDING WITH A, A GLASS ENCLOSURE.
THE BOARD DID IN FACT APPROVE THAT WITH, WITH LIMITATIONS ON AWNINGS ON THE EAST, WHICH WAS SUBSEQUENTLY APPEALED AND WAS A SUBJECT OF AN APPEAL WITH THE, UH, CITY FOR SOME TIME.
WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCE THAT TIME, SINCE 2021, IS ACTUALLY WORK WITH STAFF TO TRY TO, UM, GET TO A HAPPY MEDIAN.
SOMETHING THAT WOULD, UH, I THINK IMPROVE FOR THE CITY.
THE OVERALL AESTHETIC AND THE OVERALL IMPACT OF MANGOES CAFE, UH, MANGOES CAFE IS, AS DEBBIE INDICATED, IS HAS A LIVELY PERFORMANCE.
UM, AND WHAT WE'VE DONE THROUGH THE INCORPORATION OF THIS GLASS IS TO TRY TO RETAIN SOUND WITHIN THE SPACE.
UH, JOSE HAS WORKED WITH DEBBIE AND NOW IS FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS TO TRY TO, UM, REDESIGN IT IN SUCH A WAY WHERE IT DOES INTRODUCE SOME OF THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS LIKE THE BREEZE BLOCK.
UM, WE ALSO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD MAKE THAT ENTRANCE, UH, MORE PALPABLE.
AND THE WAY TO DO IT WAS THROUGH THE INTRODUCTION OF A GLASS, UH, CANOPY THAT WOULD EXTEND TO THE STREET.
UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE IT IS A STRUCTURE RATHER THAN A REMOVABLE AWNING, IT DOES REQUIRE A VARIANCE.
BUT UNDER THE CODE, IF WE WERE DOING
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IT IN A FABRIC, WE WOULDN'T NEED THE VARIANCE IT IS BECAUSE IT IS A PERMANENT STRUCTURE.BUT WE FIGURED THAT THE TRANSPARENCY OF THIS PERMANENT STRUCTURE WAS THE DIRECTION THAT THIS BOARD WOULD WANT TO GO IN, WHICH IS CREATING THAT CLARITY AND THAT VISIBILITY INTO THE SPACE.
AND SO WE THOUGHT THAT THE VARIANCE WAS WORTH WHAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD WOULD WANT TO SEE, AND THERE ARE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES AS DEBBIE INDICATED, UM, WITH REGARDS TO EXISTING NON-CONFORMING SETBACKS ALREADY.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO JOSE TO GO OVER THE DESIGN ELEMENTS WITH YOU, AND THEN I'LL COME BACK AND, AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT HISTORY.
DO WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION?
JOSE GOMEZ, BALEN GOMEZ ARCHITECTS.
UH, WE ARE THE ARCHITECTS OF THE PROJECT AND EVERYBODY ALREADY KNOWS THE STORY, SO LET YOU JUST TAKE YOU RIGHT THROUGH IT.
UH, THIS IS THE LOCATION WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH MANGOES.
SO THIS IS AN IMAGE OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS RIGHT NOW.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE MAIN FOCUS ON OUR DESIGN HAS BEEN CONCENTRATING ON THE CENTER PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
OUR GOAL IS TO REMOVE THAT EXISTING GATE, UH, AND, UH, REINTRODUCED A BREEZE BLOCK.
UH, YOU MENTIONED A BREEZE BLOCK, UH, MR. EG YOU WERE MENTIONING THE HEIGHT OF THE BREEZE BLOCK, AS YOU CAN SEE, AND YOU'LL NOTICE THE EXISTING OPENINGS RIGHT NOW ALIGNED WITH THE, UH, WINDOWS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE, UH, CAME BACK WITH THE BREEZE BLOCK.
YOU CAN SEE IN THIS IMAGE HERE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO ALIGN, AND THE WIDTH OF THE BREEZE BLOCK IS BASED ON THE, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
SO WE'RE LINING THE TOP WITH THE LINE OF THE WINDOWS OF THE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE THE GLAZING THAT WE'RE, THAT WAS APPROVED ALREADY.
AND THEN TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE CLARITY IN THE, UH, MINIMAL DESIGN OF THE FRONT.
WE PUT THIS, UH, INTRODUCED A GLASS CANOPY IN QUESTION.
SO THIS IS WITH THE, UM, AWNINGS ALREADY OPEN.
THE IMAGE BEFORE IS WHEN THEY'RE RETRACTED, AND THIS IS WHEN THEY'RE BROUGHT OUT.
UH, THIS ARE, AGAIN, IMAGES WITH THE AWNINGS PICKED UP AND WITH THE AWNINGS BROUGHT OUT TO THE STREET, UM, THIS IS THE, THE INTERIOR OF THE SPACE.
UM, HERE YOU ARE, YOU'RE SEEING AT AN IMPLANT VIEW.
LET ME JUST GET YOU TO, THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR.
THIS IS ALL PART OF THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL OF HOW WE ENCLOSE THE, UH, THE FRONT AREA.
AND, UH, THIS HERE SHOWS YOU THE DOUBLE DOORS, THE, UH, THAT WERE, UH, PUT IN PLACE FOR THE SOUND.
AND HERE IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THE PROPOSED.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PROPOSED, WE SHOW YOU TWO IMAGES, UH, WITH THE AWNINGS IN PLACE.
AND, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE RETAINING THE BUILDING.
SO IF THEIR AWNINGS ARE EVER REMOVED, THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING STILL WILL REMAIN IN PLACE.
AND THIS IS JUST A PLAN VIEW OF THE, UH, ENTRY WHERE THE CANOPY IS SUPPOSED TO BE.
UM, IN THIS IMAGE, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU DON'T SEE THE METAL CANOPY, WHICH IS IN, IT'S IN YOUR PACKAGE FOR SOME REASON.
IT DIDN'T COME OUT ON THE SLIDE, BUT IT'S IN PAGE, I BELIEVE, UH, 1 0 6 OF YOUR CANOPY OF YOUR PACKAGE.
AND THIS IS A SECTION SHOWING YOU HOW, UH, WE'RE TREATING THE, UH, THE GLASS CANOPY.
AND HERE YOU CAN SEE A, A LARGER IMAGE OF THE GLASS CANOPY IN SECTION RIGHT AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, RIGHT AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
UH, IT'S ALL I HAVE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, ALSO I DID FAIL TO MENTION THAT THERE IS A REQUIREMENT UNDER THE ORDER THAT WE RECEIVED IN 2017, AND THERE ARE NO VIOLATIONS OF THIS REQUIREMENT THAT THOSE UMBRELLA STRUCTURES, UH, BE RETRACTED AFTER BY THREE O'CLOCK, UM, UNLESS IT IS RAINING.
SO THERE HAVE BEEN NO VIOLATIONS OF THAT.
SO WE HAVE BEEN IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPROVALS FOR THE UMBRELLA STRUCTURES AND THE AWNINGS.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH JOSE'S HELP IS TO CREATE, I THINK, MORE VISIBILITY, RETAIN, SOUND, REINTRODUCE HISTORIC ELEMENTS, AND AT THE SAME TIME SERVE THE PURPOSE OF THE APPLICANT.
UH, WITH THAT, I WOULD REQUEST APPROVAL OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THE ORDER AS PROVIDED.
AND I'LL RESERVE TIME FOR REBUTTAL.
THANK YOU, YOU VERY MUCH, UM, APPRECIATE THAT.
DO, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IS THE REASON THAT YOU'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE YOU'VE RECEIVED VIOLATIONS ON SOUND? THERE ARE NO VIOLATIONS AT MANGO'S TROPICAL CAFE, NOR HAVE WE HAD ONE FOR SOUND.
THIS IS MORE PERSPECTIVE WITH WHAT THE VIEWS OF THE
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CITY ARE AS THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD.WE'RE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE IN THE FUTURE.
WELL, I THINK I ARGUABLY THERE ARE TWO BUSINESSES ON OCEAN DRIVE THAT BRING EVERYBODY HERE.
IT'S MANGOES AND, AND UH, UM, UH, THE PALACE.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO MAINTAIN THESE TWO BUSINESSES IN OPERATING CONDITION THAT EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH.
AND I, I, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO HERE.
UH, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HASKELL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? JUST, OKAY, BRIAN, GO AHEAD.
UM, I GUESS THIS IS QUESTION MORE, UM, ORIENTED TO JOSE.
UM, I JUST, I MEAN, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, 'CAUSE YOU SAID IN YOUR TESTIMONY THAT THE BREEZE BLOCK GOES TO THE, I BELIEVE THE BOUNDARY OF THE WINDOWS, BUT WHAT, WHAT I'M SEEING IN THE OLD PHOTO IS THE BREEZE BLOCK.
YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT HERE, THAT IT ACTUALLY EXCEEDS THE BOUNDARY OF WHERE THE WINDOWS END.
SO I GUESS THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL QUESTION, IS, IS WHY IN THIS NEW ITERATION TO ME, THE THE BREEZE BLOCK AESTHETICALLY WOULD'VE LOOKED BETTER HAD IT GONE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE BOUNDARY OF THE ROOF LINE.
UM, AND I'M CURIOUS WHY YOU GUYS DID NOT PURSUE THAT.
AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION TO DEBBIE, WHETHER THERE WAS A CONVERSATION WITH STAFF AND IF THERE WAS ANY GUIDANCE THERE.
YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU PICKED UP A, A GREAT DETAIL, BUT I MUST TELL YOU, LIKE RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A COUPLE OF BEAMS IN PLACE.
UM, SO BE A MAJOR RECONSTRUCTION THERE WHERE WE COULD BASICALLY RIGHT NOW JUST OPEN UP THE SIDES AND KEEP THE HEADER OF THAT BEAM AND IT STILL ALIGNS WITH THE WINDOWS.
SO DESIGN WISE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, I THINK PROBABLY IF, UH, IF I WOULD'VE BEEN THE ORIGINAL DESIGNER, I PROBABLY WOULD'VE DESIGNED IT THE WAY I HAVE IT NOW.
I ALIGNING WITH THE REST HORIZONTALITY OF THE TWO BUILDING AND IT SORT OF BRINGS 'EM TOGETHER.
THE TWO BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW, THEY WERE ORIGINALLY SEPARATED.
AND I THINK TO ME THAT MAINTAINING THAT HORIZONTAL LINE, IT'S, UH, MORE EFFICIENT AND HAVING THAT ELEVATED BREEZE BLOCK, AND I HAVE THE BEAMS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I, UH, WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DESTROY THAT WHOLE AND REBUILD.
CAN YOU SHOW US THOSE BEAMS? UH, I'M SORRY.
IT'S ME JUST PUT UP ON, I THINK YOU HAD A SECTION.
I ACTUALLY, A PHOTOGRAPH SHOWS IT.
UH, LET ME, WELL, YOU HAVE A RIGHT THERE, YOU HAVE IT IN THE SECTION WHERE YOU SEE WHAT'S BEHIND.
IF YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE TOP OF THE WINDOWS RIGHT NOW, THE TWO WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE, YOU SEE THE, UH, CONCRETE BEAMS ON TOP.
SO IN ORDER TO, UM, TAKE OUT THOSE BEAMS, WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE OUT ALL THE COLUMNS, TAKE OUT THE BEAM IN, IN THE CENTER,
THEY'RE ACTUALLY UNDER A BEAM.
LET ME JUST TAKE YOU TO, YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
SO WE, UH, AND, AND THE SECTION IS DONE RIGHT THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE GLASS, NOT THROUGH THE BEAM AREA, BUT BASICALLY THOSE TWO BEAMS ARE IN PLACE THERE.
AND I THOUGHT THAT IT'S, IT'S VERY SIMPLE TO JUST MAKE THE HORIZONTAL AND EV EVERYTHING LINES WITH THE REST OF THE WINDOWS.
SO IF IT'S NOT, TO ME IT'S A VERY SIMPLE, UH, RECONSTRUCTION OF THAT AREA.
IT'S, I MEAN I'M, SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT AGAIN 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A DRAWING THAT SHOWS IT.
BUT YOU'RE, JOHN WAS LOOKING AT THE A ONE PROPOSED FRONT INJURY SECTION.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT, JOHN? YES.
AND A TOP RIGHT OF THE RENDERING OF THE BUILDING OR THE DRAWING OF THE BUILDING, THERE'S A KIND OF A CROSSHATCHED SECTION.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO AS THE BEAM? YES.
I DUNNO IF WE CAN, NO, THE BEAM 8, 2 2, IT'S THE SAME SECTION, BUT YOURS IS CUT OFF A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATION BETTER, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATION, THE BEAM IS ON TOP OF THE BREEZE BLOCK.
SO THE BEAM SIT SITS DIRECTLY ON TOP OF THE BREEZE SPOT.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PHOTOGRAPH OF TODAY'S, UH, CONDITION, SEE THERE'S THE BEAM THERE.
SO WHAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO IS JUST MAKE THE OPENING A LITTLE WIDER, PUT THE BREEZE BLOCK IN THE SAME SAME CHARACTER THAT WE HAD AT THE, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, BUT WE WERE NOT GOING UP WITH A BREEZE FLAT.
WE'RE KEEPING IT AT THE SAME ELEVATION OF THE WINDOWS BECAUSE RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE WINDOW IS THAT, IS THAT CONCRETE, THE HORIZONTAL BEAM? CONCRETE BEAM, RIGHT, EXACTLY.
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BEAM.THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN 2 0 2, CORRECT.
AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, RIGHT BEHIND THOSE SECTIONS, THOSE ARE OUR MEANS OF EGRESS FROM THE UPSTAIRS.
THAT'S, THOSE ARE OUR STAIRCASES.
SO THE BREEZE BLOCK IS NOT, UM, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S PRESENTING, IT'S A LIGHT BLOCK.
IT'S KIND OF PRESENTING LIGHT THROUGH CORRECT.
WHAT IS BEHIND THE BREEZE BLOCK? 'CAUSE I'M, I'M EXPECTING YOU, ARE YOU, IT'S GLASS, IS IT OPEN OR IS IT GLASS? OKAY.
IT'S GLASS SO THAT THE SOUND DOESN'T COME OUT AND OKAY.
AND FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF LIKE CLEANING OR MAINTAINING THAT, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
I MEAN, I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT IS ONE OF THE CLEANEST PLACES I'VE EVER BEEN TO
THEY ARE, IT WILL, IT WILL BE MAINTAINED AS PART OF THEIR REGULAR, UH, BUSINESS OPERATION.
THIS IS SPACE OF ABOUT FOUR INCHES IN THERE.
I THINK BRIAN STILL HAS A FLOOR.
WELL, I JU JUST FURTHER ON THE, THE BREEZE BLOCK.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT QUITE, UM, SATISFIED WITH, WITH THE ANSWERS.
SO IS THERE A DESIGN SOLUTION THAT COULD BE ENVISIONED? AND PERHAPS THERE'S NOT, BUT I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THIS, WHAT THE THINKING WAS HERE.
THAT WOULD TAKE THE BREEZE BLOCK A LITTLE BIT IN FRONT AND THEN TAKE IT ALL THE WAY UP, LET'S SAY, SO THAT IT DOESN'T INTERSECT WITH THE BEAM, BUT YET IT RESTORES IT TO ITS ORIGINAL GRANDEUR.
AND AGAIN, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THERE ARE MANY BUILDINGS IN MIAMI BEACH THAT HAVE BREEZE BLOCK THAT DO GO UP TO THE VERY EDGE OF THE BUILDING FROM THE SAME TIME PERIOD.
AND THAT ACTUALLY THAT IS DESIRED.
AND, AND MR. EARLI, I, I AGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK THE DIFFERENCES IN THOSE BUILDINGS, THAT BREEZE BLOCK HAS BEEN MAINTAINED HERE.
ALL OF THAT WAS TAKEN DOWN AND THE STRUCTURE WAS PHYSICALLY CHANGED, INCLUDING THE CREATION OF THIS HORIZONTAL SUPPORT BEAM.
THAT THAT IS THE, THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN, IN THOSE HISTORIC, UH, BUILDINGS THAT OVER TIME HAS, THEY'VE RETAINED THE SAME CONFIGURATION.
HERE WE'RE TRYING TO REINCORPORATE IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT CHANGING, UH, STRUCTURAL ISSUES THAT THAT WOULD HAVE A LARGER IMPACT.
BUT THE QUESTION WAS, WAS THERE, OR IS THERE ANOTHER DESIGN SOLUTION THAT COULD BE CONTEMPLATED TO TAKE THAT BREEZE BLOCK ALL THE WAY UP TO THE BUILDING? HONESTLY, EVERYTHING CAN BE DONE RIGHT,
SO CAN THERE BE ANOTHER DESIGN SOLUTION? LISTEN, I I, I'LL BE LYING TO YOU IF I SAY NO, THERE'S GOTTA BE RIGHT.
BUT, UM, WE FOUND SOLUTION OR, OR I GUESS JUST SOLUTION THAT IS WHAT WAS THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU GUYS HAD THAT LED YOU TO NOT PURSUE THAT? IT WAS A STRUCTURAL DECISION THAT WE FELT THAT THE BEAM WAS ALREADY IN PLACE AND IT WOULD BE, UM, A MUCH SIMPLER CONSTRUCTION SOLUTION THAN TAKING OUT THE WHOLE BEAM.
BUT I'M SUGGESTING THAT I UNDERSTAND ABOUT TAKING OUT THE WHOLE BEAM.
BUT WHAT I'M SUGGESTING, AND PERHAPS THIS CAN'T BE DONE, BUT I'M SUGGESTING IS WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT IN PUTTING THAT BREEZE BLOCK STRUCTURE A LITTLE BIT IN FRONT OF WHERE THAT BEAM IS? NO, IT WAS NEVER THOUGHT OUT.
IT WAS NEVER A DECISION THAT WE CONSIDER.
DO YOU HAVE, UH, ON THIS TOPIC? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR BRIAN.
UH, WHY DOESN'T IT BOTHER YOU? THE BREEZE BLOCK DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM
I MEAN, IF, IF IT'S, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT BOTHERS YOU, I WOULD THINK YOU'D WANT THE BREEZE BLACK ALL THE WAY.
WELL, WELL, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL POSTCARD, WHICH I ACTUALLY THINK IS PRETTY COMPELLING, IT ON THE BOTTOM ISN'T THE ISSUE.
ACTUALLY I THINK THEY DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF MIMICKING WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT CONCEPT WAS.
'CAUSE IT KIND OF COMES UP AROUND A QUARTER OF THE BUILDING'S LENGTH.
IT'S REALLY AT THE TOP WHERE THEY'VE JUST DROPPED THE BALL IN MY OPINION.
AND IT KIND OF JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOT UNFINISHED.
HASKELL, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING, JUST ONE SECOND.
I THINK WE HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ON THIS, ON THIS TOPIC.
AND THEN WE'LL, IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL GET BACK TO THAT.
THIS BUILDING TO ME IS SO FAR GONE FROM ITS ORIGINAL DESIGN MM-HMM
THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OR AS MANY ELEMENTS AS POSSIBLE OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
AND TO BRIAN'S POINT, WHAT I SEE, IF YOU LOOK AT EXISTING SHEET 2 0 2, YOU HAVE THE DEPTH OF STRUCTURE OF THE ROOF SHOWN BY THE FASCIA THERE IN WHITE, ABOVE THE BEAM, ABOVE THE YELLOW BEAM.
ARE YOU ABLE TO PULL, PULL IT UP FOR US ON THE SCREEN PLEASE.
IT WOULD BE, YEAH, YOU JUST PASSED IT.
IT WAS THAT, THAT'S THE PAGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOWN ON THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER.
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I'M LOOKING AT IT HERE.OH, I'M SORRY, I'M ON THE WRONG SIDE.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE YEAH, SORRY, THIS ONE.
OH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE OLD? YEAH, I WAS ON THE ONE.
IT'S TITLED EXISTING 2 0 2 EXISTING JOE.
YOU SEE THE FACIA, RIGHT? YES.
THAT'S WHERE THE ORIGINAL BLOCK WENT UP TO.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL PHOTOGRAPH, THERE'S A FRAME THAT HELD THE ROOF IN AN EAST WEST DIRECTION.
AND THAT EAST WEST DIRECTION, AS I SEE IT RIGHT NOW, IS STILL THERE.
IF YOU WERE TO REMOVE, I DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE OF THAT BEAM.
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THAT BEAM? THE EO BEAM? JUST FRAMING THE OPENING THAT WAS, UH, PUT IN PLACE.
SO IF YOU'RE OPENING THAT MANY YEARS AGO, IF YOU'RE CREATING A NEW OPENING, IT'S JUST AS EASY TO REMOVE THAT BEAM BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY SUPPORTING THE ROOF.
I THINK WE'D HAVE TO, THE BEAM ITSELF MIGHT NOT BE SUPPORTING IT.
IT'S NOT, BUT THE BEAM IS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE WE'RE SUPPORTING THE OPENING OF THE WINDOW.
SO IF WE TAKE IT OUT, PERHAPS THAT WOOD IN THE FASCIA THAT THAT MIGHT STAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HOLDING THAT.
JUST BY OBSERVATION FROM THE ORIGINAL PHOTOGRAPH, WHAT'S HOLDING IT IS THAT FRAME IN AN EAST WEST DIRECTION.
AND THAT FRAMES OUTLINE IS THE DASH LINE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE OPENING.
AND THAT FRAME APPEARS ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO WHAT, WHAT YOU OR SOMEONE HAD PREVIOUSLY DONE WAS JUST INTRODUCE A NEW BEAM IN A NORTH SOUTH DIRECTION, TYING INTO THOSE FRAMES.
THAT, THAT HAS BEEN DONE WAY BEFORE I WAS AROUND.
UH, SO THAT'S BEEN DONE, UH, WHAT I'M SUGGESTING A LONG TIME AGO.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT BEAM IS NOT INTEGRAL TO MAINTAINING THE STRUCTURAL, UH, SUPPORT OF THE ROOF.
AND IT'S, IT WAS ONLY INTRODUCED LIKE YOU HAD SAID TO, TO SUPPORT THE WINDOW AND TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT BY REMOVING IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA AFFECT THE ROOF ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND YOU COULD INTRODUCE THE, TO BRIAN'S POINT, THE BREEZEWAY OR THE, THE PANELS ALL THE WAY UP.
I, I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT ON THAT, UH, POINT, UH, LINDSAY, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS REP, IF IT'S REPRESENTED IN DRAWING, PLEASE POINT IT OUT THE BEAM THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY DISCUSSING.
NOW, UM, WHEN YOU SAY BEAM, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS IT RUNNING THROUGH THE EXISTING HISTORIC FACADE ALL THE WAY TO THE GATE? LIKE FROM THE, YOU KNOW, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND PROVIDING SUPPORT ALL THE WAY THROUGH? OR IS IT JUST TYING IN AT THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HISTORIC SOUTH BUILDING, IF YOU WILL,
FIVE FEET OR FIVE FEET? 10 FEET.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WIDE, YOU KNOW.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A STEEL BEAM, NOT CONCRETE, NOT A CONCRETE BEAM CONCRETE.
NO, I'M SURE IT'S A CONCRETE BEAM CONCRETE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCRETE BEAM STEEL.
YEAH, IT SAYS IT'S MARKED AS STEEL ON THE, IT'S MARKED AS STEEL HERE ON THE, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCRETE BEAM IN PLACE.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO STEEL BEAM IN THERE.
WELL, ON ON THE PLANS IT SAYS STEEL.
I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT BEAMS. THAT'S WHY I WAS NO, NO.
YEAH, I CAN TELL YOU WHERE DID YOU SEE A STEEL BEAM? I, I THINK HE'S REFERRING TO A 4 0 1.
PERHAPS IT'S A DIFFERENT BEAM.
NO, THAT, THAT'S THE STEEL BEAM THAT IS ON THE, ON THE STOREFRONT.
THAT'S NOT THE BEAM ON THE, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IF YOU LOOK ON A 4 0 1, THE SECTION IS BEING CUT RIGHT THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING.
YOU CAN SEE THE FOUR, HOW IT GOES SOUTH.
CAN YOU PUT A 4 0 1 AND MAYBE USE YOUR CURSOR TO SHOW US WHERE CAN SEE IF BEAM IS AND WHAT IT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE ELEVATION ON THE SAME PAGE.
THAT UH, UH, CAN YOU USE THE CURSOR PLEASE? YEP.
LET'S SEE WHERE, BECAUSE YOU CAN KIND OF BE, LET'S SEE
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IT UH, I THINK IT'S LIKE ON THE COMPUTER.YEAH, JUST THE CURSOR ON THE COMPUTER.
OH, SORRY, THAT WAS MY FAULT ANALOGY.
AND WHERE IS THAT? IN THE ELEVATION? THAT, THAT STEEL BEAM YES.
'CAUSE THE SECTION JUST GOT, COULD GO UP TO RIGHT THROUGH THE CENTER.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SIDE, THE EXISTING, THE CONCRETE BEAM IS ON THE, TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT.
AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US IS THAT'S THE CONCRETE BEAM HERE.
SO IF YOU FOLLOW THE STEEL BEAM UP ON THE ELEVATION, YOU SEE THE STEEL BEAM ON THE ELEVATION.
AND THEN ABOVE IT IS THE GLASS WINDOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE THEN ABOVE IT GLASS WINDOW HERE IS THE CON IS A LARGE CONCRETE, RIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK WHAT OUR, MY COLLEAGUES ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE STEEL BEAM BEAM.
IT'S POSSIBLE TO RAISE THAT UP TO THE STEEL, TO THE STEEL BEAM AND NOT GO ABOVE THE STEEL BEAM.
BUT THAT WOULD BE, BECAUSE IF YOU NOTICE THE STEEL BEAM IS HIGHER THAN WHERE THE BREEZE BLOCK IS CURRENTLY PLACED.
I BRING THE STEEL BEAM TO HERE, LINE UP.
NO, THE STEEL BEAM STAYS WHERE IT IS, BUT I THINK THE DISCUSSION IS BRINGING THE BREEZE BLOCK UP TO WHERE THAT STEEL BEAM IS WITHOUT MOVING IT.
THE DRAWINGS ARE NOT, ARE, ARE KIND OF, I I UNDERSTAND A LITTLE SHIFTED, BUT I, I FULLY UNDERSTAND OKAY.
WELL, I MEAN, SO I I YOU GET THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE COMMENT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO INCORPORATE, I THINK IS THE QUESTION? WELL, LET'S, LET'S WAIT FOR, LET'S WAIT TILL WE GET TO, UM, THIS WAS JUST THE, THIS WAS JUST THE TIME TO, UH, ASK YOU GUYS QUESTIONS.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, UM, ANY OTHER, UH, ON ANY OTHER TOPICS THAT YOU WANTED TO ASK? CAN MAYBE YOU CAN KIND OF ARTICULATE AGAIN FOR US WHAT THE, UM, WHAT THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES ARE, UH, AND HOW YOU GUYS ARE THINKING ABOUT THEM FOR THE VARIANCE? WELL, THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES THAT EXIST, I THINK NUMBER ONE IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE EAST FACING RIGHT ACROSS THE OCEAN.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A STRUCTURE THAT'S HURRICANE IMPACT RESISTANT.
IF WE COULD PUT AN AWNING THAT'S REMOVABLE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S HURRICANE IMPACT RESISTANT.
THIS, UH, STRUCTURE WOULD BE HURRICANE IMPACT RESISTANT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, OUR ENGINEER IS HERE ON SOMETHING ELSE, AND WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THIS WITH HIM TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD BE A HURRICANE IMPACT RESISTANT, UM, STRUCTURE DIRECTLY, UM, ACROSS FROM THE OCEAN.
BUT MOREOVER, THERE ARE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES ALREADY IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
WE HAVE NON-CONFORMING SETBACKS, UM, THAT EXIST WITH RESPECT TO THE FRONT, UH, PROPERTY LINE.
ALSO, THE, THE ABILITY TO RETAIN AND ENCLOS THIS SPACE, UM, IS IN FACT A BENEFIT I BELIEVE TO THE CITY AS MUCH AS IT IS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE WITH THIS.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS, IT'S A TWOFOLD BENEFIT, NOT ONLY FROM THE NOCE PERSPECTIVE, BUT VISIBILITY.
EVERY ONE OF US KNOWS WHERE MANGOES IS.
WE'VE ALL SEEN THE STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE.
WE'VE ALL SEEN THE GATE, WE'VE ALL SEEN THE CANOPIES.
WE BELIEVE THAT THIS PROPOSAL, UM, IMPROVES THAT CONDITION AND THE VISIBILITY TO WHAT WOULD BE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THOSE STRUCTURES HAS BEEN CHANGED OVER THE YEARS SUBSTANTIALLY.
SO WE BELIEVE THAT THIS REINTRODUCTION OF THIS PROJECT IMP, YOU KNOW, IS A BENEFIT TO THE CITY.
AND THIS IS NOT A MAJOR RENOVATION WHERE WE'RE DEMOLISHING A STRUCTURE.
WE ARE TRYING TO SERVE THE PURPOSE WITHOUT, UH, REDOING THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
A ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, UH, WE HAVE BOARD DISCLOSURES.
ANY, ANYBODY, ANYTHING, ANY COMMUNICATIONS TO DISCLOSE? I HAPPENED TO RUN INTO DAVID WALLOCK AFTER THIS GUY CONTINUED THE FIRST TIME, BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS THE MERITS OF IT.
UM, YES, ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK? PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE ON ZOOM OR COME FORWARD.
UH, IF YOU'RE IN THE AUDIENCE.
OKAY THEN, UM, BOARD MEMBER, BOARD MEMBER COMMENT, UH, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO, UM, MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE PROJECT OR ANYTHING THAT
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ASK DEBBIE OR BRING SOME SOMETHING INTO? NO.UM, DEBBIE, THEN I WANT TO HAVE A, JUST A CHANCE TO KIND OF BRING YOU INTO THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT, WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT THIS, ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE, OF THE BREEZE BLOCK.
AND, UH, CAN YOU, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? 'CAUSE IT WASN'T REALLY ADDRESSED IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT YOU MAY HAVE A PROFESSIONAL OPINION ON THAT.
UM, AND I, I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION.
I DO THINK IT WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT TO EXTEND THE BREEZE BLOCK VERTICALLY TO SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSER TO HOW IT WAS HISTORICALLY.
UM, I THINK IT'S LIKELY POSSIBLE IT MAY NOT BE, UM, AS FAR VERTICALLY AS IT'S SHOWN IN THE PHOTOGRAPH, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER ROW, UM, OF BLOCKS.
SO I ACTUALLY, UH, APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT AND AM SUPPORTIVE OF THAT RECOMMENDATION BY THE BOARD.
SO, UM, HEARING NO, UH, NO MORE COMMENT, WE WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO HAVE, WE HAVE TWO, WE WILL NEED TWO MOTIONS.
ONE FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THE OTHER FOR THE VARIANCE.
ANYBODY WANT TO START WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS? I, I JUST HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT.
WHEN DEBBIE SAID, MAYBE ONE MORE ROW OF BLOCK COULD BE ADDED TO ME, IF YOU CAN'T ADD BLOCK TO GET IT AS HIGH AS THE WINDOWS TO MAKE IT LOOK CONSISTENT, UM, IT IS NOT, IT'S JUST NOT TO ME WORTH DOING.
SO DO YOU MEAN HIGHER THAN THE WINDOWS? NO, RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE AS HIGH AS THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE, BUT NOT AS HIGH AS THE NEW WINDOWS IN THE MIDDLE.
IF YOU CAN'T GO AS HIGH AS THE NEW WINDOWS IN THE MIDDLE, THEN IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE TO ME.
SO I I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE POSTCARD IMAGE, I MEAN IF THIS IS WHAT WE'RE USING AS OUR, YOU KNOW, THE POSTCARD IMAGE POSTCARD, UM, SO IF WE'RE USING THAT AS OUR BAROMETER, RIGHT? UM, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THE BREEZE BLOCK IN THE POSTCARD IMAGE, UM, THERE IS EXACTLY ONE ROW OF BREEZE BLOCK ABOVE THE WINDOWS THAT WERE IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
AND SO IF THERE IS A WAY TO INCORPORATE THE ONE ROW OF BREEZE BLOCK INTO THE REVISED STRUCTURE RIGHT NOW, IT'S THE HEIGHT, THEN I THINK THAT REALLY KNOW, DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE THE OFFSETTING LINES THERE, I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY A DESIGN DECISION AT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, AND SO IF WE'RE INCORPORATING THIS BACK IN, WE'RE NOT DOING THIS JUST AS LIKE A, OH, WE'RE JUST GONNA THROW SOME BREEZE BLOCK UP THERE AND, YOU KNOW, HARKEN BACK TO IT.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S MAKE IT LOOK, LET IT DID TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S POSSIBLE.
AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE PUSHING BACK ON BECAUSE IT'S, WE'VE JUST LEFT OFF ONE ROW FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME REASON.
UH, AND, AND I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE BRIAN WAS GOING WITH THAT.
IF
UM, IF WE COULD ENTERTAIN A CONDITION THAT SAYS WE ABSOLUTELY WILL, WILL WORK TO ADD, UM, THE ADDITIONAL, UH, BREEZE BLOCK TO TIE INTO, UH, WHAT WAS THERE, UH, SO LONG AS IT DOES NOT HAVE A STRUCTURAL IMPACT.
UH, 'CAUSE I, AS WE STAND HERE, I, I, WE HAVEN'T STUDIED THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS.
IT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO STRUCTURAL DAMAGE WHATSOEVER.
UM, IT'S JUST COSMETIC AS YOU INDICATED MR. MAYOR, THAT IT'S JUST FOR THE WINDOWS AND THEN NOT, NOT A, NOT A BIG DEAL.
UM, BUT I WOULD REQUEST THAT IF POSSIBLE, IF THAT WOULD BE A PART OF YOUR CONDITION.
UH, ARE YOU, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY, MR. CHAIR, COULD I INTERRUPT? YEAH, FOR SURE.
UM, WE HAD A DELAYED PUBLIC COMMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOARD IS OPEN TO REOPENING THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
I I'M, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, MITCH NOVIK.
MITCH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT? HI.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, OF COURSE.
AND THANK YOU DEBBIE, FOR TAKING MY COMMENT.
I HAD A, UH, A TECHNOLOGICAL DELAY IN, UH, UH, EARLIER, UH, MITCH NOVIK 9 0 1 COLLINS.
MY PROPERTY IS, UH, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ALLEY.
UH, MANGOES FOR THE MOST PART HAS BECOME A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
I APPLAUD THE EFFORT THEY'RE MAKING TO CONTAIN THEIR NOISE.
THIS SHOULD BE A MODEL, UH, ESPECIALLY TO THE BUSINESSES NORTH OF, UH, THIS PROJECT, UH,
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WHO BLAST THEIR MUSIC ON TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, CREATING AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE.UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR CONVERSATION, UH, AND AGREE LARGELY WITH MR. EHRLICH'S COMMENT REGARDING THE BREEZE BLOCK.
UH, I, THERE'S JUST SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT WHAT I BELIEVE IS AN AWNING AT THE ROOFTOP LEVEL, THAT IT HAS A CURVATURE LOOK TO IT.
AND I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT, UH, THE LANGUAGE WAS ALIEN TO THE BUILDING AND, UH, I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE MORE RECTAL LINEAR.
AND AGAIN, THANK YOU, UH, FOR TAKING MY LATE COMMENT.
DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? WELL, I ACTUALLY JUST HAVE A QUESTION MORE FOR MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, PUTTING ASIDE THE BREEZE BLOCK FOR A SECOND, AND ASSUMING THAT WE CAN GET, I THINK IN LINDSAY'S WORDS, WHICH I APPRECIATED THE WAY THAT YOU SAID IT, THE CORRECT OFFSET.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT THAT OFFSET EVEN HAS TO, YOU KNOW, FROM LIKE A PROPORTIONAL POINT OF VIEW, IT SHOULD REALLY MIMIC WHAT THAT POSTCARD IS IN MY, IN MY VIEW.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL WORK WITH, WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE ACHIEVED.
MY QUESTION, MY SECOND QUESTION, UM, GIVEN THAT WE DO HAVE THE PURVIEW ON THE AWNINGS BECAUSE OF THE GUIDE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT ARE, THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS, WHAT IS EVERYONE'S VIEW OF THESE AWNINGS BOTH IN TERMS OF THEIR, THE APPARATUS AND ALSO IN TERMS OF THE COLOR PALETTE? JUST SO I KNOW WHERE, I MEAN, YOU, YOU GUYS ARE OKAY.
I MEAN, MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS THEY WERE APPROVED AND I MEAN IF, YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S DEFINITELY WHERE I'M COMING FROM TOO.
I DON'T, AND IF WE DO, IF WE DO NOTHING TODAY, THEY STAY SO.
YOU KNOW, UM, I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE, IT, IT'S HARD FOR ME 'CAUSE I MEAN, I'M JUST BEING HONEST, RIGHT? LIKE IT'S, I STRUGGLE WITH THIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THIS AWNING IS REALLY WHAT THE OCEAN DRIVE OF TODAY SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, WE ALL KNOW WHAT OCEAN DRIVE IS GOING THROUGH.
WE ALL KNOW THAT IT NEEDS A REBOOT.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME UNIFORMITY, SOME CONSISTENCY AND, AND THE LIKE I, BUT I AM SENSITIVE TO AS A BUSINESS OWNER AND YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THAT HAS THIS ASSET.
YOU GUYS ARE COMING HERE TO GET AN APPROVAL FOR SOMETHING.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST WONDERING LIKE HOW WE GOT HERE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BECAUSE, UM, AS HASKELL POINTED OUT TO ME, THIS IS A BIT OF A, UM, DEVIATION FROM, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
UH, AND THERE ARE, SO THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY KIND OF ADD-ONS THAT IT'S HARD TO EVEN HARKEN BACK TO WHAT THE, THE ORIGINAL GRANDEUR WAS OF THAT POSTCARD IMAGE.
YOU WENT THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THE, OF THE PERMITS AND THE PERMISSIONS FOR THIS.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY, UM, NOT, IT, IT, IT'S A RESULT OF MANY, MANY DECISIONS IN MANY DIFFERENT CONTEXTS.
AND I, I THINK I WOULD TRY TO, UM, KIND OF STAY WITH WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US AS BEING CHANGED AND MODIFIED AND KIND OF WORK WITH THAT.
I THINK THERE'LL BE POTENTIALLY, AND MAYBE MAYBE DEBBIE WOULD HAVE OTHER, I MEAN, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO PREDICT THE FUTURE AND HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE, HOW THE OCEAN DRY WILL BE CHANGED IN THE FUTURE.
BUT I WOULD SAY FOR RIGHT NOW TO ADDRESS THE, UM, THE ISSUES, THE, WHAT'S BEING CHANGED BEFORE IS THE AWNING ABOVE IS NOT BEING CHANGED.
AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE AWNINGS, UH, THE GREEN AWNINGS ARE BEING CHANGED.
UM, BUT WORK ON WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS THAT THEY HAVE, UH, PRESENTED US.
IF THERE'S ANOTHER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, I'M HAPPY TO, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, UM, THIS WAS KIND OF YOUR QUESTION REPHRASE, LIKE ARE WE GONNA READDRESS EVERYTHING? BUT, UM, I WOULD PROBABLY ADVISE US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, UM, WITH THIS ORDER, WITH THIS, UM, WITH THIS APPLICATION AS IT STANDS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? I DO
HOW DO WE PUT THAT? HOW DO WE BRING IT BACK? I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN, TO YOUR POINT, JOHN.
UM, I JUST WANNA VOICE MY OPINION ON THIS BECAUSE THIS IS SO FAR DEVIATED FROM THE ORIGINAL DESIGN AND IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
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ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MATTER OF PERSONAL VIEW, BUT MY PERSONAL AND BEYOND IT IS, I THINK THEY'RE HIDEOUSUM, THEY, THEY SIT THERE, THEY BLOCK PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
YOU GOT POSTS EVERY WHAT, 10, 15, 20 FEET SHOULD BE A RETRACTABLE AWNING PERHAPS INTO THE BUILDING.
NOTHING YOU, YOU'RE EXTENDING SIX, SEVEN FEET INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY, WAY BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE, ABOUT 12 FEET OR SO.
WHERE DO WE STOP IF WE ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN, THE NEXT BUILDING'S GONNA COME AND SAY THE PREVIOUS BOARD ALLOWED IT.
YOU ALLOW US TO, AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO SORT OF, UH, IF I MAY MISTAKE IN THE GROUND AND SAY THAT'S IT.
JUST ONE SAY, I THINK LINDSAY'S GONNA SAY SOMETHING.
AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, DO I LOVE THESE AWNINGS? NO, THAT'S MY FRANK OPINION, BUT I'M ALSO NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND SUGGEST THAT WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROVED THAT YOU NEED TO LIKE RIP OUT BECAUSE YOU'VE COME HERE BEFORE US TODAY.
I, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A STANCE THAT I'M WILLING TO TAKE.
I'M NOT, UM, NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING CHANGES.
I AM WILLING TO SAY I NEED TO SEE THE, YOU KNOW, THE BREEZE BLOCK TO GO UP ONE MORE BECAUSE I THINK THAT REALLY KEEPS IN LINE AS BEST WE CAN TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
AND I AM WILLING TO SAY, AND I, I KIND OF HINTED AT THIS EARLIER, UM, I APPRECIATE THE CONDITION I'M WORKING WITH STAFF, BUT I I, IF WE GO THAT ROUTE, I WOULD LIKE SOME MORE DELINEATION ON WHAT YOU MEAN BY STRUCTURAL CHANGES.
BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, IN ENGINEERING AND, AND AS ATTORNEYS, STRUCTURAL CHANGES CAN MEAN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
AND SO I WANT, I WANT SOME MORE CLARITY ON THAT BEFORE, AND I, I'M GETTING A LITTLE AHEAD, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M JUST, THAT'S GONNA BE MY POSITION.
I, I WOULD WANT MORE CLARITY ON THAT, NOT JUST IF IT REQUIRES ANY STRUCTURAL CHANGES, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT.
AND THEN LATER ON WE FOUND OUT IT DIDN'T GET DONE BECAUSE IT REQUIRED SOMETHING MINOR.
UM, SO I, I THINK WE'RE, I, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I WANNA BE REASONABLE.
IT, IT'S SOMETHING MAJOR
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS HAPPENS.
AND, BUT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE AWNINGS, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T LOVE THEM.
UM, I WILL SAY IF I, YOU KNOW, IF I HAD TO LIKE, CHOOSE THE LESSER OF THE TWO EVILS, IF I'M LOOKING AT THINGS OR TRYING TO COME UP WITH A POSITIVE OF THEM, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, WHILE THEY ARE PERMANENTLY INSTALLED.
AND I DON'T LOVE THAT ASPECT OF IT.
I DO THINK THAT THE IMPACT ON THE SIDEWALK ITSELF IS MUCH SMALLER THAN LIKE THE BIG BASES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO HOLD UP THE 10 BY 10 UMBRELLAS.
UM, SO FROM A PER, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T LOVE THEM.
PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE LIKED TO AGREE TO THEM.
HAD, HAD I BEEN SITTING ON THIS BOARD WAY BACK WHEN, UM, HOWEVER WE ARE HERE DEALING WITH THEM.
AND, AND THAT'S KINDA MY THOUGHT PROCESS, RIGHT? WE'RE HERE, IF WE SEND THEM AWAY STAYS AS IT IS.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
UM, AND THEN WE DON'T GET TO HELP THEM ACHIEVE THIS IMPACT THAT I THINK THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT, I MEAN, EVEN MITCH NOVIK CALLED IN AND SAID HE SUPPORTS IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S CUTTING DOWN ON THE NOISE IN THE AREA.
SO, AND I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT I, I THINK THAT I WOULD NOT WANT, I WOULD WANNA ENCOURAGE ANYBODY COMING TO IMPROVE THEIR BUILDING TO KIND OF BRING ANY ASPECT OF THEIR BUILDING BACK TO A MORE, UH, CLOSER TO THE HISTORIC, UM, FABRIC.
AND NOT DISCOURAGE THAT BY SAYING, OKAY, IF YOU COME TO OUR BOARD, WE'RE JUST GONNA OPEN UP EVERYTHING FOR ANYBODY'S COMMENT, NO MATTER WHETHER YOU HAVE APPROVALS FOR IT OR NOT.
AND I, I THINK THIS BOARD, PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS BOARD IS TO, UM, BUILD TRUST IN, YOU KNOW, IN WHAT WE, IN, IN WHAT WE DO TO HELP PEOPLE, TO HELP BUSINESSES AND PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS TO BRING THE HISTORIC FABRIC, UH, OF OUR CITY, UH, TO HIGHLIGHT IT AND TO BRING IT BACK TO WHERE IT CAN BE.
SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD ARGUE THAT MAYBE THIS IS NOT THE, THIS IS NOT THE, THE CASE TO, YOU KNOW, TO FALL, TO FALL ON YOUR SWORD FOR, BUT IT IS, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THE A AND I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THE AWNINGS ARE, ARE NOT A, NOT SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY AGREES ON.
I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD LOOK, IT'S A GOOD POINT THAT WE DON'T WANNA PUNISH PEOPLE TO BE PUNITIVE.
UM, AND IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ENGAGED IN THIS COLLABORATIVE PROCESS TODAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING TO YOU AND HAVING AN OPEN AND HONEST CONVERSATION.
UM, SO I DON'T REALLY VIEW IT LIKE JOHN CHARACTERIZED IT AT ALL, AT ALL, UH, THAT WE WOULD EVER GO DOWN THAT ROAD, LET'S SAY.
UM, WHAT I WILL SAY THOUGH IS THAT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE, UM, OTHER UMBRELLAS SPECIFICALLY DO NOT INCLUDE THIS COLOR.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS TO MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE COLOR ITSELF, JUST AS I'M AWARE, I AM NOT A BIG FAN OF THIS TEAL COLOR.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT, I WOULD GO MORE TO THE, TO THE GUIDELINES THAT DEBBIE VERBALLY MENTIONED TO US A FEW MOMENTS AGO.
ONE OF THOSE COVERS IS, AND SO IF THERE'S ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WHO FEEL SIMILARLY, GREAT.
UM, AND IF THE APPLICANT FEELS A CERTAIN WAY, WE CAN, YOU
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KNOW, HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION QUESTION.DID, DID YOU SAY THAT THE AWNINGS ARE EXISTING? SO I, I DON'T UNDER, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE EXISTING ON, THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGING TO THE EXISTING AWNINGS IS YOU GETTING RID OF THE, THE REMOVAL OF THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE ACTUALLY REMOVING, RIGHT.
WE'RE REMOVING THE FRONT AWNING.
THAT IS RIGHT IN THE FRONT OF THE SPACE.
BUT THESE APPROVALS ARE VESTED RIGHTS.
AND THESE VESTED RIGHTS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
NOT ONE OR TWO YEARS, NOT SIX MONTHS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER 20 YEARS FOR ONE AND ALMOST EIGHT YEARS FOR THE OTHER.
THESE ARE VESTED RIGHTS THAT THE APPLICANT RELIED UPON A CITY APPROVAL, A CITY ORDER INVESTED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN THESE STRUCTURES AND THESE MATERIALS, THAT CREATES A VESTED RIGHT UNDER A SLEW OF CASE LAW FROM THE SUPREME COURT CASE OF KUNTZ TO, TO LOCAL CASE LAW, UM, THE, UH, JESUS VERSUS FELLOWSHIP OF MIAMI COUNTY.
ON THE QUESTION OF THE, THE COLOR THOUGH, ARE YOU PLANNING ON REPLACING ANY OF THOSE AWNINGS OTHER THAN THE CENTRAL AWNING? NOT AT THIS TIME, NO.
I I JUST WANTED TO SAY ONE THING.
'CAUSE I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THIS.
EVEN IF THEY WERE SEEKING TO REPLACE THE AWNINGS, THEY COULD SEEK APPROVAL FROM US FOR A OH, A CHANGE IN THE COLOR.
IS THAT RIGHT? OUTSIDE OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
THERE'S TWO, THERE'S TWO ASPECTS HERE.
THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO STRUCTURES WITH THIS AWNING.
THERE'S THE AWNING PORTION THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING, WHICH IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE SIDEWALK CAFE GUIDELINES, AND THEY HAVE A SEPARATE RETRACTABLE AWNING STRUCTURE ON THE, IN THE SIDEWALK.
UM, THE BOARD HAD PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THE DEVIATION FROM THE COLORS FOR THE AWNING THAT'S IN THE SIDEWALK TO MATCH THE ONES ON THE BUILDING, BUT, YEAH.
WELL, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE CONVERSATION.
CAN I HEAR A MOTION, UH, FOR THE, UM, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FIRST? SO, I'M SORRY, LINDSAY, I DIDN'T SEE YOU.
NO, NO, I WAS GONNA MAKE THE MOTION
UM, SO I WILL MAKE THE MOTION FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, SUBJECT TO STAFF CONDITIONS AND THE CHANGE OF THE BREEZE BLOCK, UM, THAT THEY WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO INCORPORATE ANOTHER ROW OF THE BREEZE BLOCK TO BRING BACK THAT OFFSET LINE ABOVE THE EXISTING WINDOW LINE, AND WE'LL MAKE ALL REASONABLE EFFORTS TO DO SO ABSENT MAJOR STRUCTURAL CH ABSENT THE NECESSITY OF A MAJOR STRUCTURAL CHANGE.
HOW'S THAT? UM, YEAH, I, I'M A BIT CONCERNED ABOUT MAJOR STRUCTURAL, UM, CHANGE.
UM, THAT MIGHT BE CHALLENGING FOR STAFF TO DETERMINE, AND WE MAY END UP IN, IN A SITUATION WHERE WE, WE DON'T AGREE.
UM, SO I THINK, I MEAN, THEY COULD COME BACK IF THEY RUN INTO, YEAH, THEM COME BACK IF THEY, IF THEY RUN INTO IT STRUCTURALLY.
I GUESS MY POINT IS, I, I WAS TRYING TO OBVI THE NEED FOR THEM TO COME BACK, IF THEY CAN WORK IT OUT.
IF THEY CAN'T WORK IT OUT, IF THEY CAN'T COME TO TERMS, THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK TO US.
I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WORKED VERY WELL WITH STAFF, SO I THINK, WE'LL, I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL REACH A HAPPY MEAL, A POSITIVE, UH, RESULT.
AND THEN THEY HAVE THE VARIANCE AS WELL, RIGHT TO THE FRONT SETBACK.
SO, CAN I HEAR A MOTION? MOTION ON THE VARIANCE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE VARIANCE IS PRESENTED.
I HOPE YOU HAVE A FANTASTIC DAY.
UM, I DON'T SEE, DO WE HAVE, UM, LET ME JUST ASK, UM, ON ZOOM, IS THERE ANYONE IN ATTENDANCE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI FOR THE, UH, DISCUSSION ITEM ON THE SUBSIDANCE STUDY? IF THERE IS SUBSIDENCE, EXCUSE ME.
UM, IF THERE IS, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE HERE YET.
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UM, DO YOU, DO YOU WANNA DO THE ONE OF THE DISCUSSION ITEMS LIKE THE, UH, VERSAILLES HOTEL? IS THAT YES.UM, I THINK EMILY, WERE, BECAUSE YOUR ITEM IS, IS LIKELY TO TAKE MORE THAN, UH, 15 MINUTES, UM, WE COULD DO ANOTHER DISCUSSION ITEM.
WE HAVE, UM, TWO MORE DISCUSSION ITEMS. IS THE VERSAILLES
[4. 3425 Collins Avenue. A resolution in support of a Miami-Dade County Tax Exemption application for the restoration of the Versailles Hotel.]
FOR THE AMMAN IS, ARE YOU GUYS HERE? UM, SO WE COULD GO AHEAD AND, UM, DISCUSS THAT, WHICH IS DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER ONE.AND THIS IS, UM, 34 25 COLLINS AVENUE.
THIS IS A PROJECT THAT HAS, UM, THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE, UH, CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS APPROVED FOR THIS PROJECT OVER THE YEARS.
UM, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE FILED A PART ONE OF THE MIAMI MED COUNTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION, A VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION.
WHAT THAT IS, IS FOR THE PROPERTY TAXES.
SO THEIR PROGRAM ALLOWS THE INCREASE IN BUILDING VALUE TO BE FROZEN, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, IN THE TAX ROLL FOR A MAXIMUM PERIOD OF 10 YEARS.
THERE ARE TWO PARTS TO THIS APPLICATION.
PART ONE IS TECHNICALLY A PRE-CONSTRUCTION APPLICATION, WHICH IS BASICALLY, UM, GONNA BE REVIEWED BY THE COUNTY, AND THEY WOULD BE AUTHORIZING PART ONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN APPROVED.
PART TWO, UM, WHICH WE HOPE WILL BE SOON, BUT WILL BE AFTER CONSTRUCTION.
SO PROBABLY AT LEAST, UH, ANOTHER 18 MONTHS, UM, DOWN THE ROAD, IF NOT LONGER.
'CAUSE IT IS A VERY AMBITIOUS PROJECT.
UM, WOULD THEN REQUIRE THE INSPECTIONS AND A FINAL REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMPLETED, UM, PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THOSE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
UM, I WOULD POINT OUT THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT TO THIS PROJECT.
THE AVALOR EXEMPTION WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO THE VERSAILLES TOWER AND NOT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE THE HISTORIC RESTORATION OF THE ACTUAL VER ORIGINAL VERSAILLES HOTEL.
UM, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THEIR APPLICATION.
SO, JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, SO THE NEW AMMAN RESIDENCES TOWER IS EXCLUDED FROM THAT CORRECT.
AND ULTIMATELY THIS, SINCE THIS IS A COUNTY PROGRAM AND IT'S THE COUNTY'S PORTION OF THE TAXES ONLY, UM, THE COUNTY WILL MAKE THE FINAL SAY THEY ARE, THEIR HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER IS REVIEWING THIS.
UM, WE WILL CERTAINLY BE AVAILABLE AS STAFF TO HELP THE COUNTY IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'LL BE THEM, THEIR TEAM THAT DECIDES WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS APPROVED AS WELL AS THE, UH, PROPERTY APPRAISER TO DETERMINE THE FINAL VALUE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU, YOU SIGN THIS AND, UM, WE'LL SEND IT INTO THE COUNTY CONFIRMING, UM, WHAT'S THAT? NO, I SEE PART ONE, CORRECT.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER IS REQUIRED TO, YEAH, THAT'S TO CONFIRM THAT THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, UH, FOR, FOR REHABILITATION, WHICH THE BOARD IN THEIR APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, MULTIPLE ONES FOR THIS PROJECT HAS ALREADY DETERMINED.
SO I WOULD BE JUST AUTHORIZING THAT ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD.
THE THE PART TWO IS THE INSPECTIONS, RIGHT.
UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT WAS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED IS CONSISTENT.
THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE A RESOLUTION TO URGE THE COUNTY TO AUTHORIZE THIS.
MIAMI-DADE COUNTY HAS A LOT OF AMAZING HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROJECTS.
UM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, A LARGE PROJECT FOR THE COUNTY.
TYPICALLY, THEY DON'T DEAL WITH SUCH LARGE PROJECTS.
WE'RE VERY EAGER FOR THE CONSTRUCTION TO, TO, UH, BE COMPLETED.
AND WE WANNA SUPPORT THE PROJECT IN ANY WAY.
AND I BELIEVE, AND IT, AND FROM A MATTER OF CONTEXT HERE, DEBBIE, ISN'T THIS, THIS APPLICANT, I'M, I'M TOLD ALSO WENT TO GREAT LENGTHS TO RESTORE THOSE INTEGRAL ELEMENTS TO THE VERSAILLES PROPERTY, AS WELL AS A FRESCO THAT I BELIEVE WAS RELOCATED.
IS THAT RIGHT? IT GREAT LENGTHS
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AND IT'S REALLY, IT EXTRAORDINARY.I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL EVER SEE ANOTHER PROJECT LIKE THIS IN TERMS OF THE INVESTMENT AND DEDICATION TO RETAINING PARTS OF THIS BUILDING.
I MEAN, IF YOU DRIVE BY, IT'S AN ENGINEERING FEAT.
AND, UM, I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED WITH THEIR WHOLE TEAM, SPECIFICALLY THEIR ENGINEERING TEAM.
YEAH, I THINK I REMEMBER, WHAT WAS IT, IN THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD, THERE WAS A MEMBER OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT OR ENGINEERING TEAM WHO CAME AND SAID THAT THEY HAD TO, LIKE, RELOCATE CERTAIN PARTS OF THE BUILDING OFF SITE.
THE CUPOLA THE, THE CUPOLA HAD WAS RETAINED YES.
AND LIFTED OFF OF THE BUILDING AND IS BEING, UM, PROTECTED AND STORED.
BUT ANYWAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT
UH, MY NAME IS NINA CARUSO, DIRECTOR OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION SERVICES AT RJ HEISEN BOTTLE ARCHITECTS.
I'VE BEEN WORKING DIRECTLY WITH MARK WITT, UM, VICE PRESIDENT OF OKO DEVELOPMENT.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, HE DID JUST HAVE TO, UH, LEAVE, BUT TO JUST ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF THIS, UM, REALLY INCREDIBLE FEAT.
I PERSONALLY, IN MY TENURE YEARS, UM, HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY, UH, WORKING ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROJECTS, HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING QUITE LIKE THIS.
SO, UM, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALSO APPLYING TO THE FEDERAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, THE TAX CREDIT PROGRAM.
UH, SO WITH THIS RESOLUTION AS WELL AS THE APPROVAL FROM THE COUNTY, UH, WE'LL BE LOOKING TO SUBMIT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ALONG WITH THIS APPLICATION TO DEMONSTRATE, UH, REALLY THE UNWAVERING SUPPORT OF THE LOCAL, YOU KNOW, THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
UM, SO YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION OR? YES.
SO THE RESOLUTION'S ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE PACKET, I GUESS.
UM, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION SECOND.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU
[5. InSAR Observations of Construction-Induced Coastal Subsidence on Miami’s Barrier Islands, Florida. Presentation by Esber Andiroglu, PhD, PE, LEED AP Director of Murphy Construction Program, University of Miami, Department of Civil and Architectural Engineering. ]
CHAIR? I DO, I BELIEVE ASR, UM, ANDREW, ANDREW ULLO.THAT'S, I PROBABLY MISPRONOUNCED IT.
UM, I'M, I APOLOGIZE, IS HERE.
UM, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN PERSON.
UH, EZR IS A PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI.
HIS, UM, CREDENTIALS ARE ALMOST TOO LONG TO STATE.
UM, BUT, UM, HE, WHAT DID PARTICIPATE IN THE AUTHORING OF THE, UM, OBSERVATIONS OF CONSTRUCTION INDUCED COASTAL SUBSIDENCE ON MIAMI'S BARRIER ISLANDS.
UM, THE REPORT HAS BEEN SENT TO YOU, UM, I THINK MOST OF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT REGARDLESS, BUT I REALLY WANNA THANK ESPR FOR ATTENDING.
I KNOW YOU DO A LOT OF WORK IN MY, YOU'VE DONE WORK IN MIAMI BEACH BEFORE, AND YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR, UM, WITH OUR RESILIENCY ISSUES AND THE WORK WE DO HERE.
AND THE BOARD, I THINK INVITED YOU TO, TO MAYBE ASK SOME QUESTIONS OR JUST HEAR YOUR, UM, YOUR OBSERVATIONS ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THE FINDINGS WERE IN THIS STUDY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BY THE WAY, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND, UM, ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS THIS MORNING.
SO, UM, AS, UM, DEBBIE, YOU KNOW, UH, NOTED, UH, WE FEEL THAT THIS WORK IS REALLY SIGNIFICANT IN LIGHT OF A LOT OF THE EMERGING CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING RELATED TO, UM, UH, THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
AND, UH, OUR MISSION WITH THIS STUDY WAS REALLY THE PRIMARY MISSION WAS TO DESCRIBE AND HOPEFULLY DEPLOY A TECHNOLOGICAL INNOVATION, A TOOL THAT CAN BE REALLY INSTRUMENTAL IN MONITORING HEALTH OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, UH, THROUGH INSTAR SATELLITE DATA.
AND, UH, SO WE WERE EXCITED THAT ONCE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD SEE IT ON SOME EXAMPLES, UH, WE WERE EXCITED TO DEMONSTRATE IT ON, ON ACTUAL BUILDINGS.
AND, UM, AND AGAIN, UH, I THINK UNFORTUNATELY, THE, THE FOCUS OF OUR STUDY KIND OF TOOK A DIFFERENT DIRECTION OR, OR GOT IT MISINTERPRETED, UM, IN A PATH THAT WAS NOT OUR INTENT.
SO OUR INTENT WAS STRICTLY TO IDENTIFY THE APPLICABILITY OF THIS TECHNOLOGY IN MONITORING, BUILDING, UH, HEALTH OR ANY BUILT ENVIRONMENT, WHETHER IT'S BUILDINGS, BRIDGES, UH, ANY
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STRUCTURES REALLY.UM, NOW, UH, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE FACED, UH, DURING THIS STUDY WAS ACCESS TO DATA AND, UH, AVAILABILITY OF DATA COOPERATION FROM, UH, COMMUNITIES, PROPERTY OWNERS, HOAS, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, CITIES.
AND, AND, AND REALLY, UM, AGAIN, UH, WE WERE FEARFUL OF THIS, THAT OUR INTENT WAS GOING TO BE MISINTERPRETED OR TAKEN AS A FEAR FACTOR OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND, AND PEOPLE WERE NOT FORTHCOMING WITH SHARING DATA.
AND BY NO MEANS, BY THE WAY, THE FINDINGS OF THIS STUDY IMPLY THAT ANYWHERE THAT WE NOTICE OR IDENTIFY SUBSIDENCE, THAT IT IMPLIES AT ALL THAT A BUILDING IS IN RISK OF COLLAPSE OR STRUCTURAL FAILURE, UM, THAT IS NOT THE CASE AT ALL.
UM, SO, UM, WE HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS GONNA BE FUTURE COLLABORATIONS FROM OUR COMMUNITY, UH, BOTH FROM DESIGNERS, GEOTECH LABS, PERMITTING AGENCIES, HOAS, UM, ENGINEERS, PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, TO PARTICIPATE IN DATA SHARING SO THAT WE CAN REALLY ADVANCE THIS STUDY EVEN FURTHER.
SO, SOME OF THE TOPICS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WERE REFERENCED IN THIS STUDY, UM, PEOPLE RIGHT AWAY JUMPED IN AND SAID, OH, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE FOUNDATION IS FAILING? OR THE, THE STORMWATER INJECTION IS CONTRIBUTING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, EROSION? AND NO, WE HAVE NOT STUDIED ANY OF THOSE CONCEPTS YET, AS, AS OF THIS TIME, UH, THOSE ARE POTENTIAL AREAS OF ADDITIONAL INVESTIGATION WE HOPE TO ENGAGE IN.
BUT AS YOU KNOW, AS AN ACADEMIC INSTITUTION, UM, WE ALWAYS RELY ON ALSO AVAILABILITY OF RESEARCH FUNDING, UH, THAT SUPPORT THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY AND, YOU KNOW, UH, COOPERATION AND COLLABORATION FROM SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES TO HELP COLLECT DATA.
SO OUR MISSION REALLY, AND MY PRIMARY MISSION TODAY TO VISIT WITH YOU IS TWOFOLD.
ONE, TO DISMISS ANY CONFUSION OR PANIC OR REACTION THAT WHAT WE PRODUCE ACTUALLY IMPLIES, UH, DANGER TO ANY OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, BUT RATHER IT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AS AN AVAILABLE RESOURCE, A TECHNOLOGICAL, INNOVATIVE, UH, TOOL FOR, YOU KNOW, INVESTIGATING, UM, AND OBSERVING AND COLLECTING DATA.
AND THE SECOND PART IS FOR FUTURE INVESTIGATIONS TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE ARE HERE.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN YOUR BACKYARD AS UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI, AND WE VERY MUCH ENJOY PARTICIPATING AND COLLABORATING AND PROVIDING SUPPORT TO OUR COMMUNITY.
AND IF THERE'S ANY FUTURE RESEARCH OPPORTUNITIES, INVESTIGATIONS COLLABORATIVELY, JOINTLY WITH THE CITY, WITH OUR REGIONAL GOVERNMENTS OR STATE LEVEL, FEDERAL LEVEL, WE ARE HERE, WE WOULD LOVE TO TEAM UP.
AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, HOPE THAT YOU WILL PARTICIPATE AND SHARE IN ON, YOU KNOW, DATA COLLECTION, EXERCISE AND HISTORIC.
YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, LIKE FROM THE DATE WHEN THEY WERE DESIGNED AND BUILT TO TODAY, THE WAY WE DESIGN AND BUILT, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN PRINCIPLES HAVE CHANGED, RIGHT? THERE ARE A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS THAT HAS ALSO CHANGED.
SO THERE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURES THAT WE HOPEFULLY ALL COLLECTIVELY LIKE TO PRESERVE.
AND THEREFORE, ANY TOOLS THAT WE CAN RELY ON TO HELP IDENTIFY POTENTIAL, UH, IMPACT ON THOSE TYPES STRUCTURES AS A RESULT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT MIGHT BE IN THE SAME REGION.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE WE, AS DURING THIS STUDY, WE TRY TO ACCESS DATA FOR, UH, PILE DRIVING OR VIBRATION, UM, STUDIES OR GEOTECH REPORTS.
WE WERE TOLD THAT THERE IS NO RECORD, THERE IS NO DATA.
IT WAS HARD FOR US TO KIND OF BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NO DATA BECAUSE SOME OF THIS IS REQUIRED INSPECTION PROCEDURES, AT LEAST THE DATA WASN'T FORTHCOMING TO BE SHARED WITH US SO THAT WE COULD ADVANCE OUR INVESTIGATION, UH, DEEPER.
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THE PRIMARY, REALLY MY SECOND, BESIDES CLEARING THE AIR, UH, MY SECOND PRIMARY FOCUS IS FUTURE COLLABORATION.AND ACCESS TO DATA BY NO MEANS, UH, SHOULD BE LOOKED AT THROUGH AS A THREAT TO INDUSTRY OR REGULATORY FRAMEWORK, UH, BUT RATHER PARTNERSHIP.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? BRIAN? UM, IS, IS IT ESSIC? ESPER.
THANK YOU ESPER FOR COMING HERE.
IT'S, IT WAS, UM, REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL TO READ THIS STUDY.
UM, I THINK THAT THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
UM, I JUST WANT TO READ ACTUALLY A LINE FROM THE STUDY, WHICH I THOUGHT THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH RESIDENTS WOULD APPRECIATE, UM, READING.
SO IT SAYS THAT THIS IS IN THE ABSTRACT OF THE STUDY.
IT SAYS IN NORTHERN AND CENTRAL SUNNY ISLES, WHERE 23% OF COASTAL STRUCTURES WERE BUILT DURING THE LAST DECADE, NEAR NEARLY 70% ARE EXPERIENCING SUBSIDANCE.
DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? SUBSID, SUBSIDE SUBSIDENCE.
THE MAJORITY OF THE OLDER SUB, UM, SUBSIDING STRUCTURES SHOW SUDDEN ONSET OR SUDDEN ACCELERATION OF SUBSID SUBSIDENCE SUGGESTING THAT THIS IS DUE TO CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES IN THEIR VICINITY.
WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SUBSIDENCE IN AT A DIS AT DISTANCE OF 200 METERS, POSSIBLY UP TO 320 METERS FROM CONSTRUCTION SITES.
WE ATTRIBUTE THE OBSERVED SUBSIDENCE TO LOAD INDUCED PROLONGED CREEP DEFORMATION OF THE SANDY LAYERS WITHIN THE LIMESTONE, WHICH IS ACCELERATED, IF NOT INSTIGATED BY CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES.
SO I JUST, UM, WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, I GUESS, ON, I'M, I'M TOTALLY SENSITIVE TO THE NATURE IN WHICH YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, GET ALL THIS DATA AND IT'S, IT'S FANTASTIC THAT YOU DID HAVE SOME PRIVATE SECTOR, UM, ACTORS, YOU KNOW, HELPING YOU GUYS OUT.
AND I THINK THAT WE ALL WANT TO COLLABORATE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN ON, ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON HERE.
UM, CERTAINLY I DON'T THINK THAT ANYBODY HERE WANTS TO BE HYPERBOLIC IN, YOU KNOW, ANY OF OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, ASSESSMENTS.
WITH THAT SAID, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO UNDERSTAND, ESPECIALLY FOR THIS BODY, WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE FOR HISTORIC BUILDINGS, UM, PARTICULARLY WITH, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS MAY POTENTIALLY HAVE WEAKER FOUNDATIONS USING OLDER MATERIALS AND WHETHER THERE MAY BE MORE OF AN INCREASED RISK OF DAMAGE FROM SUCH GROUND MOVEMENT.
UM, SO I'M CURIOUS KIND OF WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.
UH, THE, THE FACT THAT YOUR STUDY KIND OF SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATES, IT ACTUALLY SAYS THAT, UM, ACTUALLY SAYS THAT ABOUT HALF OF THE SUBSIDING STRUCTURES ARE YOUNGER THAN 2014.
UM, BUT THEN YOU ALSO NOTE THIS, THIS KIND OF POTENTIAL EFFECT OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
SO IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US, LIKE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT IS THE IMPLICATION FOR THESE HISTORIC STRUCTURES? WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING? UM, SHOULD THERE BE DEEPER PILINGS, GREATER STABILIZATION? ARE THERE OTHER AREAS OF RESEARCH THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE FUNDING ON THIS? SURE.
SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT PARAGRAPH YOU JUST REFERENCED SUMS UP, UH, THE, THE HYPOTHESIS OF OUR INVESTIGATION REALLY NICELY.
SO I SPECIFICALLY AM GONNA CALL IT AS A HYPOTHESIS.
SO NOW THERE ARE SOME COMPONENTS IN THERE THAT ARE FACTUAL.
SO FACTUAL MEANING THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE DATA THAT BACKS UP THE SUBSIDENCE MEASUREMENTS, UH, IN VALIDATED, UH, DATA.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, ALSO THE LOCATIONS AND WHEN THE INCIDENTS MAY HAVE STARTED WHEN IT WENT THROUGH FOR A PERIOD OF, UH, UH, YEARS, AND THEN IT STOPPED.
UM, SO THOSE ARE FACTUAL DATA, BUT WHAT MAY BE THE CAUSE IS A HYPOTHESIS.
SO THOSE WE DO NEED TO CONTINUE ON RESEARCH.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAND LAYERS OR THE, UH, THE ROCK LAYERS,
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THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE GEOTECHNICAL GEOLOGICAL PRO, UH, PROPERTIES OR, UH, ALTERATIONS, UM, IN EARTH LAYERS THAT MAY CONTRIBUTE TO THAT, IT'S A HYPOTHESIS.WE DON'T REALLY, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT STUDY AT THIS TIME.
SO IT'S AN AREA OF INVESTIGATION WORTH LOOKING INTO IF WE WANT TO SAY THIS IS HAPPENING AND DUE TO THIS, BUT WE'RE NOT PREPARED AT THIS TIME, UM, TO SPEAK TO THAT.
SAME WITH THE COMPACTION OF SAND LAYERS OR WATER SATURATION.
UH, YOU KNOW, NONE OF THOSE, UH, HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED.
SO THESE ARE ALL INVESTIGATION AREAS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO EXPAND TO, IF WE CAN RECEIVE THE SUPPORT THE NECESSARY MEANS, UM, AND COLLABORATIONS, UH, TO CONDUCT THAT WE'RE HERE AND EAGER TO START ON IT.
NOW, TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS ON HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
UM, SO WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY, WE ARE ABLE TO MEASURE ACCURATELY AND IDENTIFY WHEN A, UH, LET'S SAY SUBSIDENCE EVENT MAY START AND HOW LONG IT MAY CONTINUE IF WE MONITOR THE BUILDINGS AND WHEN IT STOPS.
AND WE WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHETHER THIS SUBSIDENCE IS HAPPENING UNIFORMLY, WHICH ALL BUILDINGS ARE DESIGNED WITH ANTICIPATION THAT THEY WILL SETTLE, UH, THAT IS A NORMAL STRUCTURAL, YOU KNOW, UH, ENGINEERING AND DESIGN CONCEPT.
UM, SO NO ARGUMENT THERE, BUT ARE IS THIS, UH, PRODUCING DIFFERENTIAL SUBSIDENCE WHERE THE SETTLEMENT IS NOT UNIFORM AND THAT MAY END UP PRODUCING UNEVEN, UH, LOAD DISTRIBUTION THAT MAY RESULT IN LIKE CERTAIN CRACKS.
AGAIN, EVEN WHEN THAT HAPPENS, BY NO MEANS, WE ARE IMPLYING THAT AS SOON AS THAT IS NOTICED, THE BUILDING IS IN THE DANGER.
ONLY THING WE'RE SAYING IS THAT THE BUILDING NOW IS MORE EXPOSED.
SO MOST OF THE SITES THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT ARE COASTAL, UH, BUILDINGS, COASTAL PROPERTIES WHERE THEY'RE EXPOSED TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE MORE HARSH ENVIRONMENT, BASICALLY THE SALT INTRUSION.
UH, SO A LOT OF YOUR, LET'S SAY, STEEL REINFORCEMENT COULD BE EXPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, THE CHLORINE ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU COULD START NOTICING CORROSION HAPPENING FASTER, THE CRACKS GROWING FASTER, AGAIN, BE, YOU KNOW, THAT LEADING TO A BUILDING, STRUCTURAL FAILURE IS WAY OFF.
UM, AS BUILDINGS ARE DESIGNED WITH MUCH, MUCH, MUCH HIGHER SAFETY FACTORS, UH, THAT ACCOUNT FOR ALL THAT.
BUT ULTIMATELY WE REACH A POINT WHERE BUILDINGS NEED TO BE REPAIRED, RESTORED, AND THIS COULD ADVERSELY IMPACT THOSE REPAIR COSTS.
SO IF WE CATCH THEM EARLY ON, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO MUCH CHEAPER OR ECONOMICALLY, UH, RESTORE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THOSE TYPE OF, UH, CORRECT DEVELOPMENTS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, IT GETS TOO FAR, THAT CAN RESULT IN A VERY COSTLY, UM, RENOVATION OR REPAIR, UM, YOU KNOW, OUTCOME.
SO THAT'S HOW IT IMPACTS, AND IT ALSO HELPS PRESERVE HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND SPECIFICALLY CONCRETE.
UM, CONCRETELY, HOW CAN OWNERS OR, UM, GOVERNMENTS TRACK SUBSIDENCE AND TRACK EXACTLY THE, THE, THE INCREMENTAL DIFFERENCES? AND WHAT, WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD YOU GIVE THEM ON THAT FRONT? YEAH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ACTUALLY, IF A PARTICULAR BUILDING WANTED TO, LET'S SAY, TEAM UP WITH US AND SAY, HEY, I WANNA TAKE THIS ON ACTUALLY AND MONITOR MY BUILDING, RIGHT? SO WE CAN SET UP, WE CAN HELP SET UP, UH, MONITORING, UH, DATA COLLECTION, UH, PROVISIONS.
UM, AND, AND BY THE WAY, WHEN WE'RE COLLECTING THIS DATA, WE ARE NOT JUST SAYING TODAY WE LOOK AT THE SATELLITE, WE MEASURE FROM HERE ON THE ROOF, AND NEXT MONTH WE MEASURE FROM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VERY PINNED DOWN, VERY SPECIFIC DATA POINTS, DATA COLLECTION POINTS, AND OFTEN ARE ALWAYS ON A REFLECTIVE ELEMENT, UH, IN THE BUILDING SO THAT WE MAINTAIN THAT SAME CONSISTENCY.
AND THEN WE ALSO USE TWO DIFFERENT, UH, SATELLITES, FOR EXAMPLE, TO CORRECT, UH, WHAT WE READ FROM ONE AGAINST THE OTHER.
UM, SO IF A BUILDING WERE TO SAY,
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I WANNA PARTICIPATE IN THIS, AND ESPECIALLY IN CASE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT IS VERY EASY FOR A NEW BUILDING THAT'S GETTING BUILT TO AGREE TO INSTALL REFLECTORS ON CERTAIN CRITICAL ELEMENTS OR LOCATIONS ON THE BUILDING, ON THE ROOF, ON THE BUILDING FACADE THAT CAN SERVE AS THE DATA COLLECTION, UH, POINTS.AND THEN FROM THERE ON THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THAT DATA.
SO THIS IS REALLY A GREAT FEEDBACK TO THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY.
SAME WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT THINKING IS IF THERE'S A DATA REPOSITORY THAT IS ESTABLISHED, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT EVERY GEOTECH REPORT THAT IS FILED AND SUBMITTED AS PART OF A PERMIT APPLICATION GOES INTO THAT DATA REPOSITORY AND IS ACCESSIBLE TO ALSO SEE WHAT YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LATER DOWN THE ROAD ONE CAN, ONE OF THE INVESTIGATIONS WE DO WANNA DO IS, ARE THERE CHANGES IN, YOU KNOW, GEOTECH FINDINGS? IF I DO A TEST TODAY VERSUS I REPEAT THE TEST IN THE SAME PARCEL 20 YEARS FROM NOW, OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, ARE THERE CHANGES? BUT THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF DATA THAT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE ACCESS TO.
SO RIGHT NOW WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY KIND OF A UNIFORM DATA COLLECTION PROCESS IN PLACE.
UM, AND CITIES, PERMITTING AGENCIES, REGULATORY OFFICES WOULD BE THE GREAT PARTNERS IN ESTABLISHING A UNIFORM DATA COLLECTION PLATFORM.
AND IT SHOULDN'T BE A, YOU KNOW, ADDING A PLATE ON A BUILDING OR FEW PLATES LITERALLY COST IS PROBABLY CENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO THERE IS NO HEARTACHE TO IMPLEMENT, UH, SUCH PROCEDURE AS LONG AS WE ARE.
IS THERE, IS THERE A, OH, SORRY.
IS THERE AN AGREED UPON, 'CAUSE I'M NOT, THIS IS NOT MY BACKGROUND AT ALL, BUT IS THERE AN AGREED UPON TECHNOLOGY THAT IS USED WITH THESE REFLECTORS THAT EVERYONE WIDELY ACCEPTS THAT WELL, YEAH.
THIS, THIS PAPER, WHAT YOU READ THE REPORT IS THE IN SAR.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WIDELY ACCEPTED BY, IT IS OTHER GOVERNMENT IN THE SCIENTIFIC WORLD.
IT HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED AND ACCEPTED AS A RELIABLE SOURCE OF MEASUREMENT AS A TOOL.
AND THEN JUST MY, MY LAST QUESTION IS JUST IN READING THE SECTION ON MIAMI BEACH, WHICH WE ALL KNOW IS VERY IMPORTANT, UM, I WILL STATE THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU DO NOT OBSERVE ANY SUBSIDENCE IN MIAMI BEACH, I BELIEVE IS YOU SAID WE WE DO NOT OBSERVE MUCH, MUCH SUBSIDENCE, AND THE EXCEPTIONS ARE THE, WHICH SHOWS ONE TO 1.5 CENTIMETERS OF DISPLACEMENT DURING 2019 TO 2023.
AND THE FINA HOUSE, WHICH DISPLAYS ONE CENTIMETER OF DISPLACEMENT DURING 2016 TO 2023.
UM, THE FINA FORM CONSTRUCTED IN 2016 HAS NO SCATTERERS.
I DON'T QUITE KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS DUE TO THE SHAPE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, CAN YOU PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT THERE? AND IS IT THAT YOU DIDN'T FIND SUBSIDENCE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA, OR YOU, YOU MAY INTERPRET IT AS THAT.
SO BASED ON THE AVAILABLE DATA OR ACCESS TO DATA, DATA SOURCES, AND REMEMBER ALSO, IN OTHER WORDS, THESE WERE THE PARTNERS THAT HELPED YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS A CENTIMETER.
SO WE, WE, THAT'S THE ONE CENTIMETER OF DISPLACEMENT.
WE WITH, WE ALSO HAD LIMITED RESOURCES, SO WE FOCUSED A LOT OF OUR EFFORT ON AREAS WHERE WE COULD EASILY DETECT AND IDENTIFY AND VALIDATE THIS TECHNOLOGY.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE EXAMPLE YOU'RE REFERENCING, IS IT WORTH LOOKING INTO IT DEEPER WITH SURE, WE CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN WITH HAVING AVAILABLE RESOURCES AT HAND.
UH, BUT IT, WE DIDN'T SEE IT WITH THE INITIAL LOOK AND ALARMING, YOU KNOW, DEGREE OF SUBSIDENCE, AGAIN, USING THE WORD ALARM IS PROBABLY THE WRONG WORD, UH, BUT SIGNIFICANT, LET'S SAY THAT WARRANTED, UH, US TO FOCUS ON THAT BUILDING WHERE WE WERE SEEING IT IN SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS.
AND GIVEN THAT THIS IS A STUDY, UH, WE JUST WANTED TO GET THIS STUDY DONE, DEMONSTRATE THE, UH, VALIDITY AND ACCURACY OF THE TECHNOLOGY.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENT.
BUT BY NO MEANS WE'RE NOT EXCLUDING BUILDINGS ARE, WE ARE REALLY IDENTIFYING BUILDINGS THAT PROVIDED THE EASIEST DATA SOURCE FOR US, OR MOST DATA AVAILABLE.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE NEEDED, WE HAD A TIMELINE WE NEEDED TO COMPLETE AND
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VALIDATE.AND YOU WERE, YOU WERE PURPOSELY FOCUSING MORE ON SUNNY ISLES BEACH, IS THAT CORRECT, OR? WELL, WE SAW A LOT MORE SUBSIDENCE UNIFORMLY ACROSS, UH, NOT JUST IN ONE BUILDING, BUT UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SATELLITE DATA, UH, YOU KNOW, FINDINGS, I MEAN, THINGS LIT UP IN, IN THAT REGION, UH, MORE THAN IN OTHER AREAS, RIGHT? SO BECAUSE OF THAT, WE JUST FOCUS THERE.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, MR. RELU.
SO BASICALLY YOU'VE SET UP A BENCHMARK AT THIS POINT OF THAT WE CAN COME BACK TO AND SEE WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS IN TERMS OF SUBSIDENCE IN A FEW YEARS.
HOW OFTEN CAN YOU CONDUCT THESE TESTS? HOW OFTEN DO YOU INTEND TO CONDUCT SPECIFIC AREA TESTS? WELL, AGAIN, IT'S, FOR EXAMPLE, IN SOME OF THE, SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.
IN SOME OF THE AREAS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR CENTIMETERS, A COUPLE OF INCHES.
HOW OFTEN DO YOU INTEND TO COME, COME BACK AND CHECK THOSE AREAS? YEAH, AS, AS AN ACADEMIC INSTITUTION, IT IS NOT REALLY IN OUR SCOPE OR MISSION, LET'S SAY, TO CONTINUE BEYOND THE DEMONSTRATION OF THE INVALIDATION OF THE, THIS TECHNOLOGY AND USE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY.
SO, UM, TO ACTUALLY PUT IT, TO USE AND CONTINUE TO MONITOR IF THERE IS A, THIS NEED OR DESIRE BY A PARTICULAR AGENCY OR STRUCTURE, I GOTCHA.
AND APPROACHES AND SAYS, CAN YOU HELP? AND WE WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS INVESTIGATION.
WE CAN CERTAINLY CONTINUE MONITORING AND LOOKING, BUT IT IS NOT OUR INTENT TO JUST, UM, 'CAUSE IT DOES TAKE A LOT OF RESOURCES AND TIME AND EFFORT.
UM, AND, AND SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE JUST LOOKING AT IT FOR THE SAKE OF MONITORING, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY A SERVICE OR, UH, THE SCOPE THAT, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO CONDUCT THE TEST FOR A SPECIFIC BUILDING, IF YOU WILL, TO, WELL, WE, YEAH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, THIS PARTICULAR STUDY TOOK US A COUPLE YEARS, BUT, UH, BECAUSE WE WERE ALSO LEARNING AND, YOU KNOW, DETAILING HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE.
SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, MUCH BETTER AT IT NOW.
BUT I ALL DEPENDS ON THE AVAILABILITY OF DATA.
SO WE WOULD GO BACK, YOU KNOW, TO A PARTICULAR LOCATION AND LOOK AT HISTORIC SATELLITE DATA FIRST AND SEE HOW FAR WE GO BACK.
AND THEN ONCE WE UNDERSTAND THAT, WE START, UH, IDENTIFYING AT WHAT POINT, IF ANY, WE MAY SEE EVIDENCE OF SUBSIDENCE A SHIFT IN DATA POINTS.
AND THEN THAT TRIGGERS LIKE A STARTING POINT, OH, LET'S SAY, UH, THE MONITORING AND THEN MOVE FORWARD TO SEE COMING TO CURRENT DATE, UH, WHERE WE ARE, HOW MANY, WE HAVE SEEN SOME EXAMPLES WHERE IT HAPPENED FOR THREE YEARS AND THEN IT STOPPED IT, YOU KNOW, IT BECAME UNIFORM.
SO, UH, ONCE WE IDENTIFY THAT, THEN THE NEXT STEP IS REALLY LOOKING AT, OKAY, IF IT WAS A THREE YEAR WINDOW, UH, LET'S GATHER OTHER DATA OF WHAT MAY HAVE BEEN HAPPENING.
IS THERE ANY INSPECTION REPORTS FROM THE BUILDING FROM THAT PERIOD THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IDENTIFIED ANY CRACKS THAT MAY HAVE DEVELOPED THAT, UH, SOMEBODY IDENTIFIED AND REPAIRS WERE RECOMMENDED? ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, COINCIDING? UM, ARE THERE OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS THAT WERE RECORDED DURING THAT PERIOD? YOU KNOW, IS THERE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS IN THE HISTORIC BUILDING CASES, UH, THE VIBRATION REPORTS OR GEOTECH REPORTS? SO WE WOULD TRY TO COLLECT AS MUCH DATA AS POSSIBLE THAT PERTAINS TO THAT TIMEFRAME AND WITHIN THE GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, A REPORT THAT SUGGESTS WHAT ELSE NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
BUT THE ACTUAL MEASUREMENT AND IDENTIFICATION OF WHEN IT STARTS AND WHEN IT ENDS WITHIN A, YOU KNOW, OF, UH, WITHIN ONE YEAR.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY, PROBABLY WITHIN SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR WE CAN PRODUCE A REPORT THAT SAYS, YES, THIS ADDRESS, UH, DOES HAVE THIS LEVEL OF SUBSIDENCE.
UM, OR, YOU KNOW, IT STARTED AND THEN AT THIS POINT, OR IT'S STILL ONGOING, WE WILL BE ABLE TO PRODUCE A REPORT.
SO AS AN OWNER, I COME TO YOU AND I ASK, YOUR MUNICIPALITY COMES TO YOU AND ASKS YOU TO LOOK AT A SPECIFIC SITE, YOU'RE, IT'S GONNA TAKE ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR TO OBTAIN A REPORT FROM YOU? YEAH, I MEAN, DEPENDING ON THE SITE, DEPENDING ON THE GAIN AVAILABILITY OF
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RESOURCES WITHIN, UH, 'CAUSE AS YOU KNOW, AS AN ACADEMIC INSTITUTION, WE RELY ON OFTEN DOCTORATE STUDENTS, GRADUATE STUDENTS.UH, WE ARE NOT IN A CONSULTING BUSINESS WHERE WE HAVE STAFF READY TO DELIVER ON DEMAND.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS STAFF, THE SO-CALLED STAFF, WHICH IS OUR STAFF REALLY IS OUR STUDENTS.
UH, 'CAUSE IT'S AN EDUCATIONAL ENDURE.
AND, UM, SO IT'S ALL DEPENDS ON THAT.
SO YOU MAY HAVE, IN SOME INSTANCES TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A QUICKER ANSWER.
IN OTHER INSTANCES WE MIGHT BE CHALLENGED, UH, STAFFING WISE.
AND I, UM, SO THIS STUDY DOESN'T TAKE SIZE OR HEIGHT OR PROXIMITY OF ONE BUILDING TO THE NEXT.
THIS STUDY DID NOT, ALL YOU DID IS JUST ESTABLISH BENCHMARKS AS TO WHAT YOU SEE OVER THE PAST SIX OR SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS.
IN THE FUTURE, DO YOU PLAN INCORPORATING THAT DATA INTO YOUR STUDIES? YES.
IF WE DO GET, UM, MEANS AND, YOU KNOW, FUNDING TO EXTEND THIS STUDY FURTHER AND, UH, AND ESPECIALLY IN SOME OF THOSE HYPOTHESIZED AREAS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, DEFINITELY BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO INFORM THE ENTIRE CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN SECTOR.
IF THERE ARE, IF THERE IS INFORMATION WE CAN LEARN, NEW KNOWLEDGE THAT CAN BE GENERATED, THAT CAN BETTER INFORM DESIGN GUIDELINES, CONSTRUCTION PRACTICES, WHY NOT? UH, YOU KNOW, WE DO WANT TO BRING THAT FORWARD.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION JUST GOES BACK TO THE, UM, THE POINT ABOUT SUBSIDENCE AND UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SUBSIDENCE, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT IT, WE THINK ABOUT CHAMPLAIN TOWERS, BUT YOU CLEARLY STATE THAT CHAMPLAIN TOWERS WAS CAUSED BY OTHER, THE COLLAPSE WAS CAUSED BY OTHER FACTORS.
SO CAN YOU TELL US OF, UH, UH, OF AN EXAMPLE OF, UH, WHEN OF SOMETHING THAT'S SUBSIDENT HAS CONTRIBUTED TO A BUILDING, A BUILDING THAT HAS SOMEHOW, UM, DETERIORATED SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF SUBSIDENCE? IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE, THAT WE CAN EXPECT SUBSIDENCE TO DO? OR IS IT A NATURAL, ARE WE LEARNING THAT IT'S A NATURAL DY DYNAMIC QUALITY OF THE EARTH THAT EVERYTHING KIND OF RISES AND FALLS DEPENDING ON THE GEO? YOU KNOW, THE LATTER.
AND, BUT THEN THE KEY HERE IS THAT DIFFERENTIAL SUBSIDENCE VERSUS UNIFORM SUBSIDENCE.
WHY IS THAT THE KEY? WELL, BECAUSE IF IT IS A DIFFERENTIAL AND THAT THE DIFFERENTIAL SUBSIDENCE IS SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH THAT CAN RESULT IN, LET'S SAY FORMATION CRACKS.
WHEN HAS THAT HAPPENED? CAN YOU POINT TO AN EXAMPLE? LIKE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS LOOK TO AS SAYING, WELL, THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS PROBLEM.
WELL, IF I'M SEEING, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS THAT TWO CENTIMETERS SUBSIDENCE? YEAH.
AND ANOTHER SECTION OF THE BUILDING WITHOUT ANY EXPANSION JOINTS, STRUCTURAL, UH, DESIGN ELEMENTS, ALL OF A SUDDEN, UH, WE ARE RECORDING, UM, 10 CENTIMETERS, RIGHT? BUT THERE'S A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE.
AND THEN WITH THAT KIND OF AN UNDERSTANDING, UM, YOU KNOW, IF I'M THE ENGAGE IN THAT BUILDING, UH, WALK THE BUILDING WITH STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS, HOAS, MAINTENANCE CREW, AND TRY TO, I IDENTIFY POTENTIAL CRACK FORMATIONS THAT MAY BE EXPLAINED AS A RESULT OF SUCH DIFFERENCE THAT NOW IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT BUILDING IS FALLING APART.
NOW I KNOW, HEY, I UNDERSTAND THIS.
AND YOU KNOW, AND BY FIXING MEANING I'LL IDENTIFY THE CRACKS.
SOME SOMETIMES OFF, YOU KNOW, THOSE CRACKS ARE NOT READILY VISIBLE.
YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DIG A LITTLE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, IDENTIFY THEM, UH, TO BRING THEM TO THE SURFACE.
SO, BUT YOU'LL CORRECT THAT MEASURE, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU KNOW, AND YOU, THE BUILDING IS IN DANGER.
NOW, FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, YOU MIGHT CONTINUE, FOR EXAMPLE, TO SEE THAT CONTINUE AND ESCALATE MORE AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE MIGHT SEE IT STOPPED.
AND NOW YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT YOU GOT.
DID YOUR PROCESS EVER MEASURE ONE BUILDING WITH TWO DIFFERENT POINTS OR, 'CAUSE THAT EXAMPLE THAT YOU JUST GAVE WAS ONE THAT I DIDN'T SEE IN THE STUDY.
WELL, WE DESCRIBED SUBSIDENCE.
WE DO MEASURE MULTIPLE POINTS AND WE DO IN ONE BUILDING, OF COURSE.
WE DON'T, NONE OF OUR MEASUREMENTS ARE JUST ONE POINT IN THE BUILDING.
I DIDN'T SEE, BUT SO, OKAY, SO YOU SAY IT'S MOSTLY IMPORTANT FOR A SINGLE BUILDING TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER ONE SIDE IS TIPPING MORE THAN THE OTHER.
RATHER THAN WHETHER ONE BUILDING IS HERE AND THE NEIGHBORING BUILDING IS GOING UP OR DOWN BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT IMPACT ONE ANOTHER, OR IT WAS JUST,
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IS A, IS AN INTERESTING CONCEPT.ONE BUILDING GOING UP ADJACENT TO ANOTHER BUILDING.
THAT AGAIN IS, UH, IF WE SEE, RIGHT, THAT, LET'S SAY, UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING BUILDING, WE LOOK AT THE HISTORIC DATA, THERE IS NO RECORD, NO SIGN OF SUBSIDENCE, AND SUDDENLY ONE DAY WE START SEEING THAT SUBSIDENCE STARTING MM-HMM
AND IT CONTINUES AND IT STOPS.
IF AT THE SAME TIME WE NOTICE THAT THERE WAS CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY NEXT DOOR OR SO MANY FEET AWAY, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT PROPERTY THAT THE START DATE OF THAT COINCIDES WITH THE START DATE OF THE SUBSIDENCE.
THAT MAY GIVE US A HYPOTHESIS, AGAIN, AN INCLINATION THAT THE TWO EVENTS MAY BE RELATED.
UH, ONE MAY BE TRIGGERED BY THE OTHER.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT, UM, NOW THAT THAT TRIGGERED THE BUILDING IS IN DANGER? NO, BUT IF IT IS CERTAIN BUILDINGS THAT ARE MORE SENSITIVE IN NATURE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU TAKE YOUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS WHERE SOME OF OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT ARE SMALLER IN HEIGHT AND SIZE MAY NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS BE ON BASED ON WHEN THEY WERE BUILT.
THEY MAY, THEY MAY NOT EVEN BE ON PILES.
WE DO HAVE SOME INSTANCES OF THOSE.
THEN YOU MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I GOTTA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSITIVE WITH THE NEXT PROJECT THAT MIGHT BE GOING UP AND LET'S SEE HOW WE CAN MONITOR BETTER OR, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S THE INFORMATION REALLY, UH, THAT WE WANNA COMMUNICATE.
CAN, CAN YOU JUST DO ONE THING, UH, JUST 'CAUSE WE WERE, WE DID THIS, UM, THIS KIND OF MOMENT FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE AND YOU'RE REALLY BEING REALLY HELPFUL.
CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF, OF YOUR BACKGROUND AND, UM, YOU KNOW? SURE.
SO, UM, AS WAS NOTED EARLIER, I'M A PROFESSOR OF PRACTICE IN DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL ARCHITECTURAL, UH, ENGINEERING.
I ALSO HOLD A SECONDARY APPOINTMENT IN DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICAL ENVIRONMENTAL MATERIALS ENGINEERING AND OTHER SECONDARY APPOINTMENT AT SCHOOL OF ARCHITECTURE.
AND I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE MURPHY CONSTRUCTION PROGRAMS FOR UNIVERSAL MIAMI, WHICH IS JOINTLY OFFERED BY ENGINEERING AND ARCHITECTURE SCHOOLS.
UM, SO A LOT OF MY ACADEMIC WORK REALLY CENTERS AROUND THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
UM, I ALSO COME FROM OVER THREE DECADES OF INDUSTRY PRACTICE, PRIMARILY ON, UH, MEP AND LIFE SAFETY SECTORS.
UM, I'M VERY MUCH ENGAGED IN RESEARCH RIGHT NOW ON VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, UM, RANGING FROM THESE TOPICS, UH, ALL THE WAY TO ENERGY AND WATER RESOURCES.
I COLLABORATE QUITE A BIT WITH THE INTERNATIONAL CODE, CANCEL IN NEW CODE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I'M VERY ACTIVE AT THE MOMENT ON PROJECTS THAT FOCUS ON WATER EFFICIENCY AND WATER SCARCITY AND WATER CONSERVATION, UH, AND ONSITE WASTEWATER TREATMENT AND, UH, FAILING SEPTIC SYSTEMS, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, IN THOSE AREAS.
SO ALL ASPECTS OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT REALLY, AND HOW DO WE ADVANCE KNOWLEDGE, BETTER DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION PRACTICES AS WE EDUCATE, UH, THE NEW GENERATION AND TRANSFORM THE WORKFORCE IN RESPONSE TO THESE CHALLENGES.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR OFFERING THAT AND FOR YOUR OPINION.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE MORE GO FOR IT.
IS THERE, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT FROM A, FROM A PREDICTIVE TOOL PERSPECTIVE, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU COULD USE THIS TECHNOLOGY TO PREDICT WHETHER, LET'S SAY A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WAS TO PLANS OF A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WERE TO TAKE PLACE? YOU WERE TO BUILD A CERTAIN STRUCTURE, HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OLDER STRUCTURES ADJACENT TO IT WITHIN 320 METERS.
UM, I THINK IF WE HAVE MORE DATA AND MORE, UH, WORK DONE IN THIS AREA, SURE THAT THAT CAN, THAT KIND OF A TOOLKIT, LET'S SAY IT CAN DEFINITELY BE PRODUCED, UH, FROM, UH, THIS TYPE OF INVESTIGATION.
BUT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, UH, A SIMPLE SHORT ANSWER IS, UH, WHEN YOU WERE ASKING EARLIER, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT PARTICULAR REGION VERSUS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER AREAS.
UM, SO IF WE ARE SEEING THAT LEVEL OF ACTIVITY IN THAT PARTICULAR REGION, IF THERE IS A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING UP OR PLANNED, THAT MIGHT BE THE FIRST SIGN THAT HEY, MIGHT
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WANT TO LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE IT FALLS WITHIN THIS ALREADY IDENTIFIED AREA VERSUS ANOTHER AREA THAT WASN'T LIGHTING UP WITH THE DATA POINTS.UH, BUT IS IT A DEFINITE ANSWER AND A TOOLKIT? WE ARE NOT QUITE THERE.
WE WILL, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE CAN REALLY DO MORE RESEARCH, HAVE ADEQUATE DATA THAT CAN ULTIMATELY LEAD TO A GIS BASED, UM, TOOL TOOLKIT THAT ANYONE WITH VERY, YOU KNOW, SIMPLISTIC APPROACH WITH EASE COULD UTILIZE THAT TOOL.
SO THAT'S WOULD BE THE FUTURE END GOAL.
UM, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY WHEN I LEAVE HERE TODAY, I'M GONNA BE ATTENDING A SUMMIT THAT, UM, IS TAKING PLACE IN FROST MUSEUM OF SCIENCE, UM, THAT IS FOCUSED ON, UH, THAT DEVELOPING, CREATING DIGITAL TWINS OF OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
BUT WITH, WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE NEED TO ACCESS TO DATA COLLABORATION FROM COMMUNITIES TO PARTICIPATE IN CREATION AND COLLECTION OF DATA, UM, IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
I'M DOING THE SAME THING ACTUALLY ON, I MENTIONED THE WATER CONSERVATION BENEFITS.
UM, AND I'LL, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU CAN AFFORD THE TIME, I'LL MENTION THIS TO YOU.
UH, FOR DECADES NOW, FOR A FEW DECADES WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON CONSERVING WATER.
UH, WE GO TO REDUCED FLOW RATES AND FIXTURES, UH, PLUMBING FIXTURES AND DUAL FLUSH TOILETS.
AND SURE ENOUGH, WE HAVE CONSERVED SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WATER.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW ARE BUILDINGS DESIGNED, YOU KNOW, HOW WE SIZE THE PIPES IN THE BUILDINGS BASED ON DEMAND RATES THAT WERE ESTABLISHED USING TOOLS THAT WERE DEVELOPED IN 1940S.
SO WE ARE CONSERVING QUITE A BIT, BUT WE'RE STILL SIZING AS IF WE ARE NOT, UH, SO NOW AS A RESULT, ALL OF OUR PIPES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN PERHAPS THEY NEED TO BE.
SO THAT RESULTS IN A STAGNATION OF WATER.
UM, THERE IS, UH, UH, VELOCITY LOSS, PRESSURE LOSS, HIGHER ENERGY DEMAND.
THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL, AS OUR COLLABORATING PARTNER IS, UH, SUPPORTING AND FUNDING US, AND WE'RE PRODUCING A NEW MEANS AND METHODS OF HOW TO RESIZE BUILDINGS.
NOW, WHEN WE ARE VALIDATING OUR NEW APPROACH, AGAIN, WE NEED DATA FROM THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
SO IF WE CAN HAVE, AND WE HAVE, WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH IN THE DECADES THAT WE ARE IN NOW THAT THIS TECHNOLOGY IS AVAILABLE, SENSORS ARE LOW COST, READILY AVAILABLE, WE CAN INTEGRATE, UM, INTO DESIGN CONCEPTS.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHEN, WHEN I MENTIONED ABOUT DIGITIZED BUILT ENVIRONMENT COLLABORATION WITH INDUSTRY PROPERTY OWNERS, REGULATORY AGENCIES TO HELP US COLLECT THE DATA.
AND WITH THAT WE CAN, AGAIN, VALIDATE STUDIES AND TRANSFORM, UH, APPROACHES OR THE WAY WE DESIGN AND BUILD AS PER JUST ONE QUESTION BACK TO, UH, ON THE, THE DATA SIDE AND, AND I GUESS FURTHER TO DRILL DOWN ON ONE OF JOHN'S QUESTIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, HE HAD ASKED, I THINK YOU, WE, WE WERE GETTING TO THE QUESTION OF IS THERE DATA SHOWING THAT IF THERE IS SUCH A RELATIVE DIFFERENTIAL IN SUBSIDENCE WITH ONE BUILDING AND ANOTHER, WHAT HAVE THEIR, YOU KNOW, THE, THOSE OUTCOMES BEEN IN A, IN A NEGATIVE WAY? I KNOW EITHER, NOT NECESSARILY FROM YOUR INSTITUTE OR FROM UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI, BUT IN OTHER EXAMPLES THAT YOU HAVE READ ABOUT IN OTHER PLACES.
CAN YOU GIVE US SOME EXAMPLES? YEAH, THERE ARE EXAMPLES, BUT I'M NOT PREPARED TO SPEAK ON THEM REALLY.
LIKE OFF THE, UH, AT, AT THIS MOMENT, BUT ALSO ALL OUR MEASUREMENTS AT, AT THE REFERENCE SITES, WE HAVE NOT VISITED THE ACTUAL BUILDINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND ENTERED THEN OBSERVE AND INSPECTED OR GAIN SUCH ACCESS TO, UH, FURTHER, YOU KNOW, SO ALL OUR DATA IS YOU'RE LIMITED IN SAR.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND LOOK FORWARD, ENJOY THE CONFERENCE, FUTURE OPERATIONS.
I'M SUPPOSED TO BE THERE TOO, BUT I'M NOT SURE I'LL MAKE IT.
WE'VE GOT A BIG, BIG, UH, I'LL SEE YOU THERE PROJECT.
OKAY, SO WE CAN MOVE TO OUR NEXT, UH, APPLICATION,
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WHICH IS HPB[3. HPB23-0591, 1509 and 1515 Washington Avenue and 1500 Collins Avenue.]
23 0 5 9 1.THIS IS 1509 AND 1515 WASHINGTON AVENUE AND 1500 CULLINS AVENUE.
AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE TOTAL DEMOLITION IN PARTIAL RECONSTRUCTION OF TWO CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS, INCLUDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ADDITION, THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION AND RENOVATION OF TWO CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS, INCLUDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF A ONE STORY ROOFTOP ADDITION, THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING, ONE OR MORE WAIVERS AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS IS AS PART OF A, A NEW HOTEL PROJECT, UM, AS WAS EVIDENCED IN THE, THE APPLICATION TITLE.
THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED, COMPLEX SITE.
WE HAVE A FRONTAGE ON COLLINS AVENUE AS WELL AS WASHINGTON AVENUE.
UH, IT IS PROPOSED TO BE A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT SITE, UM, AND CONTAINS FOUR UH, BUILDINGS.
THEY HAD IN HALL HOTEL LOCATED AT 1500 COLLINS, THE CAMPTON APARTMENTS LOCATED AT 1455 WASHINGTON AVENUE AND TWO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS LOCATED AT 1509 AND 1515 WASHINGTON AVENUE.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A NEW HOTEL, WHICH ENCOMPASSES THE ENTIRE SITE, UM, AND WE'LL HAVE, UH, FRONTAGES ON BOTH COLLINS AND WASHINGTON AVENUES.
UM, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JAKE, WHO'S GOING TO DESCRIBE THE HADDEN HALL AND, UH, CAMPTON APARTMENTS, UM, PORTION OF THIS PROJECT.
SO WE'RE GONNA START AT HADDEN HALL, WHICH IS LOCATED ALONG COLLINS AVENUE AND WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1941, DESIGNED BY ARCHITECT L MURRAY DIXON.
IN THE STREAMLINED MODERNA STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE, THE BUILDING IS PROPOSED TO BE RETAINED AND PARTIALLY RESTORED, INCLUDING THE EXTERIOR FACADES AND FRONT YARD WITHIN THE BUILDING.
AT THE GROUND LEVEL, THE LOBBYIST PROPOSED TO BE RESTORED AND THE ORIGINAL HOTEL LOUNGE IS PROPOSED TO BE MODIFIED, INCLUDING EXPANSION INTO THE ADJACENT HALLWAY TO MAINTAIN SYMMETRY WITHIN THE ORIGINAL LOBBY.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE NEW WALLS WITHIN THIS AREA ALIGN WITH THE WALLS OF THE SOUTHERN HALLWAY.
ADDITIONALLY AT THE GROUND LEVEL, A PORTION OF THE SECOND LE A PORTION OF THE SECOND LEVEL.
ADDITIONALLY, THE GROUND LEVEL AND A PORTION OF THE SECOND LEVEL HOTEL ROOMS ARE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH A DOUBLE HEIGHT, 128 SEAT BALL BALLROOM, AND A 90 SEAT CAFE.
THIS ALSO INCLUDES LOWERING THE GROUND LEVEL FLOOR PLATES OF THE FORMER HOTEL ROOMS TO MATCH THE LOBBY LEVEL AND THE REMOVAL OF A PORTION OF THE SECOND LEVEL FLOOR PLATE FOR THE NEW BALLROOM.
AT THE ROOF LEVEL, A NEW PARTIAL ONE STORY ROOFTOP ADDITION IS PROPOSED TO BE INTRODUCED ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THE NEW ADDITION IS LOCATED PARTIALLY WITHIN THE COLLINS AVENUE LINE OF SITE.
HOWEVER, THE BOARD CAN MODIFY THE LINE OF SITE REQUIREMENTS BASED UPON THE CRITERIA OUTLINED.
ON PAGE 13 OF THE STAFF REPORT, STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THE CRITERIA HAVE BEEN SATISFIED AND HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE ROOFTOP EDITION AS PROPOSED.
UM, MOVING TO THE CAMPTON APARTMENTS, WHICH ARE LOCATED ALONG WASHINGTON AVENUE TO THE WEST OF THE HADDEN HALL HOTEL AND TO THE NORTH OF THE CAMEO THEATER.
THIS BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1940 AND DESIGNED BY ARCHITECT HENRY HOER IN THE ART DECO STREAMLINED MODERNA STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE.
THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING AND THE ORIGINAL ONE STORY LOBBY ARE PROPOSED TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY RETAINED AND RESTORED INTERNALLY.
EXCEPT FOR THE LOBBY, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH ALL OF THE FLOOR PLATES AND ROOF STRUCTURES IN ORDER TO INTRODUCE A DOUBLE HEIGHT SPA AT THE ROOF LEVEL.
A NEW ACTIVE ROOF DECK IS PROPOSED TO, IS PROPOSED INCLUDING SEVERAL SEATING AREAS, RESTROOMS AND SHADE STRUCTURES.
ADDITIONALLY, A NEW PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE CONNECTING THE TWO TWO STORY WINGS IS PROPOSED TO BE CONSTRUCTED OVER THE EXISTING ONE STORY LOBBY.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE BRIDGE BE SET BACK TO THE EAST TO REDUCE ITS IMPACT ON THE LOBBY AND BE DESIGNED IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY STRUCTURAL SUPPORTS INTO THE LOBBY BELOW.
DEBBIE'S GONNA GO OVER THE TWO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE, NOW WE'RE MOVING TO WASHINGTON AVENUE.
WE HAVE 1509 AND 1515 WASHINGTON.
UM, BOTH BUILDINGS ARE CLASSIFIED AS CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS.
UH, 1509 WASHINGTON WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1949, UH, DESIGNED BY ALBERT ANNIS.
THIS IS A ONE STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
UM, WE'VE NOTED IN THE REPORT THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ALTERATIONS PRIMARILY TO THE STOREFRONTS.
UM, THE GLAZING AT THE, THE STOREFRONT, SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN RECONFIGURED, BUT GENERALLY, UM, THE BUILDING
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REMAINS LARGELY INTACT.UH, 1515 WASHINGTON AVENUE IS, IS A MORE UNIQUE, UM, STRUCTURE.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED AS TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS, BOTH DESIGNED BY ALBERT ANIS IN BOTH CONSTRUCTED IN 1948.
UM, THERE'S A REAR U-SHAPED BUILDING, UM, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY OFFICES.
IT WAS LATER CONVERTED TO APARTMENTS.
UM, AND THE FRONT BUILDING IS ACTUALLY COMPRISED OF, UH, TWO DIFFERENT STRUCTURES SEPARATED BY A PASSAGE THAT PROVIDES ACCESS TO THE REAR.
UM, THIS BUILDING HAS ALSO HAD SOME MODIFICATIONS, AGAIN, PRIMARILY TO THE STOREFRONTS, UM, BUT IT GENERALLY, UH, DOES REMAIN INTACT.
NOW, IN THIS PORTION OF THE PROJECT, THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY REQUESTING TO DEMOLISH, UM, BOTH OF THESE BUILDINGS AND TO RECON SUBSTANTIALLY RECONSTRUCT THEM, UM, THE FRONT PORTIONS OF, OF THE BUILDINGS AT A HIGHER ELEVATION AS PART OF THE LARGER REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.
UM, WE DID NOTE THAT THE EXISTING SITE GRADE IS QUITE LOW.
UM, WE ALSO NOTED THAT THE FINISHED FLOOR LEVELS RANGE BETWEEN ABOUT FIVE AND A QUARTER AND GBD TO, UH, 5.66 AND GBD AND NOTED, UM, THE FUTURE CROWN OF THE ROAD SET BY THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT FOR THIS PORTION OF WASHINGTON AVENUE IS ACTUALLY AT 6.5.
SO DURING THAT, UM, KIND OF INITIAL GATHERING OF INFORMATION WHEN WE WERE MEETING WITH THE APPLICANTS, WE REALIZE THE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE CHALLENGES OF WHEN THE SIDEWALK IS RAISED, HOW DO WE, UM, ADAPT THESE BUILDINGS IF THEY WERE TO BE RETAINED, UM, TO THE NEW SIDEWALK LEVEL.
WITH COMMERCIAL, WITH THESE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN, IN COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BUILT TO THE SETBACKS SO THAT THAT LEAVES VERY LITTLE ROOM FOR ANY TYPE OF, UM, MODULATION OR TRANSITION TO, TO HIGHER LEVELS OR POTENTIALLY A LOWER LEVEL.
UM, IF, BECAUSE AS WE'VE NOTED, THE BUILDING WOULD, WOULD ACTUALLY BE BELOW THE FINISHED FLOOR OF THE BUILDING, WOULD ACTUALLY BE BELOW THE FUTURE CROWN OF ROAD, UM, THAT IS SET.
SO WE DID LOOK AT, WE DID EXPLORE AND THE APPLICANT EXPLORED SUBSTANTIAL WITH SUBSTANTIAL EFFORT.
UM, VARIOUS OPTIONS WE DIDN'T AUTOMATICALLY COME TO.
WELL, WE THINK THE BEST, UM, COURSE OF ACTION IS TO DEMOLISH THEM AND REBUILD THEM.
BUT AFTER WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ON, ON SEVERAL OPTIONS, WE DO BELIEVE IN THIS CASE THE BEST, UM, COURSE OF ACTION WOULD BE TO RECONSTRUCT THESE COMMERCIAL, UM, BUILDINGS AT A HIGHER LEVEL.
UM, WE DID LOOK AT PARTIALLY RETAINING, UM, SOME OF THE ORIGINAL FACADE MATERIAL AND THE IMPLICATIONS WITH SHORING AND ACTUALLY HAVING PORTIONS OF, OF CONCRETE, UM, LEVITATING AND JUST SUPPORTED BY SHORING IS A CONCERN.
UM, IT'S BEEN DONE SUCCESSFULLY BEFORE.
IT'S ALSO BEEN DONE UNSUCCESSFULLY BEFORE.
UM, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THESE BUILDINGS DO NOT HAVE, UM, ANY CRITICAL, UH, SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL MATERIAL, THERE'S NO, UM, THE ORNAMENTATION IS VERY, UM, SIMPLE.
UM, THE MATERIALS USED TO CONSTRUCT THESE BUILDINGS IS ALSO VERY COMMON AND SIMPLE.
WE DID DO BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL BE FAIRLY EASY TO, TO RECONSTRUCT AND WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE CURRENT PROPOSED PLAN TO RECONSTRUCT THEM AT THE HIGHER LEVEL.
AND I THINK IN THE PLAN SET THAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE SHOWN WHAT, WHAT THE PROJECT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THIS PORTION AT THE FUTURE RAISING OF THE ROAD.
AND I THINK IT, IT TURNED OUT VERY SUCCESSFUL AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO TRANSITION, UM, WITH THE CITY AS WE START ELEVATING CERTAIN AREAS.
UM, WITH REGARD TO THE, UM, THE SEVEN STORY HOTEL EDITION.
SO BEHIND THESE RECONSTRUCTED PORTIONS, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A NEW SEVEN STORY, UM, HOTEL, WHICH WILL INCLUDE 199 UNITS.
IT WILL ALSO INCLUDE, UH, GROUND FLOOR RESTAURANT AS WELL AS ROOFTOP RESTAURANT, UM, SEATING.
AND WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.
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UM, OF THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN SET BACK 30 FEET FROM WASHINGTON AVENUE, UM, WHICH WE BELIEVE WILL MINIMIZE ITS IMPACT ON THE HISTORIC, UM, FACADES THAT ARE, THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE RECONSTRUCTED.UM, THEY HAVE ALSO, UM, INCORPORATED CHANGES OF PLANE AND MATERIALS TO, UM, TO HELP BREAK DOWN THE MASS OF THE STRUCTURE.
WE WOULD NOTE, HOWEVER, THAT THERE IS A SECTION OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION REGARDING BUILDING LENGTH, UM, THAT SAYS UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, NO PLANE OF A BUILDING ABOVE THE GROUND FLOOR FACING WASHINGTON SHALL CONTINUE FOR GREATER THAN A HUNDRED FEET WITHOUT INCORPORATING AN OFFSET OF A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET IN DEPTH.
UM, THIS PROJECT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THAT.
HOWEVER, UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE OTHER ARTICULATION THAT THEY HAVE INCLUDED SATISFIES THE SPIRIT OF THAT CONDITION.
THEY DO NOT REQUIRE VARIANCE FOR THIS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE DISCRETION OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD SUBJECT TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS CRITERIA.
UM, SO I THINK, UM, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH THE DESIGN AND MEETING THE SPIRIT OF THAT REGULATION AS IT IS PROPOSED.
UM, WE ARE ALSO VERY, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED AS PART OF THIS.
UM, SPECIFICALLY THE ELEVATED TERRACES THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY, UH, COLUMNS WITH THE KIND OF VAULTED ARCH MOTIF.
UM, WHEN WE MET WITH THE APPLICANT, THEY WERE VERY INSPIRED BY TREES AND, AND PARTICULARLY THERE'S ONE LARGE, UM, BANYAN TREE ON THE SITE, WHICH THEY'RE PROPOSING TO, TO RETAIN.
UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A POETIC REASONING FOR SOME OF THESE, THESE FEATURES.
UM, WE ALSO NOTED WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT THAT IT ALSO PICKS UP ON KIND OF THE INTERNATIONAL STYLE OR POSTWAR MODERN, WHERE YOU SEE SOME OF THESE, UM, GEOMETRICAL ARRANGEMENTS.
AND WE ARE, WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
WE DID HAVE ONE CONCERN REGARDING THE SOUTHERN MOST COLUMN, UM, WHICH IS INTERACTING WITH THE LARGE BANYAN TREE THAT IS, IS PART OF THE CAMPTON FRONT YARD.
UM, WE'RE A BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROXIMITY OF THAT COLUMN, WHICH APPEARS TO BE GOING THROUGH THE CANOPY OF THAT TREE.
AND WE HAVE RECOMMENDED A CONDITION, UM, THAT REQUIRES, UH, OUR URBAN FORESTRY DEPARTMENT TO REVIEW ANY, UM, ANY STRUCTURE THAT MAY BE INTERACTING WITH THE CANOPY, WITH THE APPLICANT'S ARBORIST TO ENSURE THAT NO HARM WILL BE DONE TO THE TREE, UM, THAT WILL HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE, ON THE, ON THE TREE ITSELF.
SINCE THAT IS IN PART WHAT HAS INSPIRED THE DESIGN OF THE NEW BUILDING, WE THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, FINALLY, THERE IS A POOL SUITES BUILDING, UM, THAT IS PART OF THE HADDEN HALL COMPLEX, UM, THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2015.
IT WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THIS BOARD.
UM, AT THE TIME THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF THAT BUILDING, UM, THE RENOVATION OF THE POOL AND THE POOL DECK, AND THE INTRODUCTION OF SEVERAL NEW DINING TERRA TERRACES.
UM, CONS, STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE REMOVAL OF THIS BUILDING AS IT, AS IT IS A, A RELATIVELY NEW, UM, INTRODUCTION TO THE SITE AND, UM, ARE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PORTION OF THE PROJECT.
I'M GONNA, THEY ARE REQUESTING, UH, SEVERAL WAIVERS, SO I'M GONNA TURN IT BACK OVER TO JAKE TO GO THROUGH THE, UH, WAIVERS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED.
SO THE FIRST WAIVER IS FOR THE OFF STREET LOADING SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
THE NEW HOTEL TOWER REQUIRES THREE LOADING SPACES, AND THE NEW RESTAURANT REQUIRE THE NEW RESTAURANTS REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL THREE SPACES.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MAY WAIVE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR OFF STREET LOADING FOR PROPERTIES THAT CONTAIN A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, PROVIDED THAT A PLAN FOR ON-STREET LOADING IS APPROVED BY THE PARKING DEPARTMENT AS THIS PORTION OF WASHINGTON AVENUE DOES NOT HAVE ALLEY ACCESS AND OFF STREET LOADING FOR THIS PROPERTY WOULD REQUIRE THE INTRODUCTION OF A LARGE CURB CUT.
STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE LOADING WAIVER AS REQUESTED, SAY.
A SECOND WAIVER IS FOR THE LONG FRONTAGE STANDARDS, WHICH WERE DEVELOPED TO ENSURE THAT NEW BUILDINGS CAN BE RETROFITTED TO ACCOMMODATE THE RACING OF THE STREETS IN THE FUTURE.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MAY WAIVE THESE REQUIREMENTS WHERE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE REGULATIONS IS UNFEASIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE ENVIRONMENT AND ADJACENT STRUCTURES.
IN THIS INSTANCE, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A WAIVER FOR THE PORTION OF THE PROJECT WHERE THE TWO CONTRIBUTING FACADES ARE PROPOSED TO BE RECONSTRUCTED.
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THE FACADES WILL BE RECONSTRUCTED AT A HIGHER ELEVATION, ENSURING FUTURE COMPATIBILITY.AS SUCH, STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT SATISFIES THE OVERALL INTENT OF THE LONG FRENCH EDGE STANDARDS AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS WAIVER REQUEST.
THE LAST WAIVER IS FOR, UM, IS TO ALLOW THE RECONSTRUCTION OF A PORTION OF THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 1515 WASHINGTON AVENUE THAT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE REQUIRED NORTH SIDE SETBACK.
THE CRITERIA FOR THE WAIVER TO RETAIN THE NON-CONFORMING SETBACK FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION ARE OUTLINED ON PAGES 1819 OF THE STAFF REPORT.
AND STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THREE OF THE CRITERIA HAVE BEEN SATISFIED AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS WAIVER.
FINALLY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN JANUARY, THE PLANNING BOARD REVIEWED AND APPROVED THE PROJECT WITH REGARD TO IMPORTANT ISSUES RELATED TO THE OPERATIONS, INCLUDING PARKING, TRAFFIC, NOISE, DELIVERIES, SANITATION, AND SECURITY.
AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT AND AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF ON THIS PROJECT, OR IS EVERYTHING CRYSTAL CLEAR? OKAY.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT LET'S, UM, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE PRESENTATION.
WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION REGARDLESS.
UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH, DEBBIE AND JAKE.
UH, EMILY BALTER, DEL FERNANDEZ, LARKIN AND TAP OFFICE IS AT 200 SOUTH BISCAYNE BOULEVARD.
UM, IF WE COULD PULL UP OUR SLIDES.
UM, MICHAEL LARKIN AND I ARE HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF 1515 WASHINGTON ACQUISITIONS, LLC, THE PARTNERS GAVIN ZO, AND, UH, ZR KBA, UH, WITH KAYA GROUP.
UH, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE REST OF OUR TEAM.
UH, WE'RE A BIG GROUP BECAUSE THIS PROJECT INCLUDES SO MANY FACETS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, RENOVATION, AS WELL AS NEW BEAUTIFUL DESIGN.
UH, SO OUR ARCHITECT OF RECORD, BERTA ROSENSTEIN, WHO HAD A STINT ON THIS BOARD, UH, IN 26, 2006, 20 2006 TO 2012.
UH, OUR DESIGN ARCHITECTS FROM ROT ROTATE STUDIO, CHRIS EVANS IS HERE, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT KEN GARDNER, OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER USE OF HECHE, AND OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION EXPERT, UH, STEVE ABDI.
UH, AS DEBBIE AND, AND JAKE WENT THROUGH IN DETAIL, I, I WON'T BELABOR WHAT OUR REQUESTS ARE, BUT IT'S CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, THAT COMBINE SO MANY DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF WHAT THIS BOARD DOES EVERY DAY.
UH, I THINK WE HIT ON EVERY PORTION OF THE HPV CODE.
UH, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CAME AFTER NOT KNOWING, BUT NOW I, I DO SEE THE IMPORTANCE THAT WE CAME AFTER PROFESSOR ANDREA LU, ANDREA GLU, UM, 'CAUSE SO MANY OF THE POINTS THAT HE MENTIONED THIS PROJECT INCORPORATES, UH, NO WA NO VARIANCES, UH, ONLY WAIVERS BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE, UH, ASPECTS OF THE, WHAT WE'RE PRESERVING, WHAT WE'RE RENOVATING.
AND AS PART OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, THAT DEBBIE AND JAKE WENT INTO IN DETAIL, UH, UNLIKE OTHER TIMES, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO START WITH, BECAUSE IT'S SO IMPORTANT, UH, IS OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND THE HISTORY OF THESE SITES.
UH, STEVE AB DECOFF PREPARED AN EXTENSIVE HISTORIC RESOURCES REPORT FOR ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO GIVE HIM A MINUTE TO GO THROUGH THOSE WITH YOU ALL, BECAUSE THAT REALLY SETS THE PRECEDENT FOR THE NEW DESIGN.
UH, AND THEN CHRIS WILL GO THROUGH THE NEW DESIGN AND THEN I'LL BRIEFLY CONCLUDE.
UM, STEVE AOV, HERITAGE ARCHITECTURAL ASSOCIATES, 4,300 OF SCA BOULEVARD.
UH, WE'RE HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE CONTEXT AND THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL RESOURCES INVOLVED HERE IN THIS EXCITING PROJECT.
THE PROPERTY, UH, YOU CAN SEE UP HERE ACTUALLY STRADDLES, UH, TWO DISTRICTS.
THE WASHINGTON AVENUE FRONTAGE IS LOCATED IN THE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHILE THE DEN HALL IN, UH, ALONG COLLINS IS IN THE OCEAN DRIVE, COLLINS AVENUE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO HERE, UH, WE HAVE THE CONTEXT OF THE SITE, WHICH IS VERY DISTINCT BETWEEN WASHINGTON AVENUE AND COLLINS ON WASHINGTON.
WE HAVE, UH, A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF RETAIL, WHICH REALLY DEFINES THE STREETSCAPE AS, AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE COMMENTARY.
THE RETAIL BUILDINGS ARE GENERALLY ONE TO TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT.
THERE ARE ALSO SOME OTHER APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND MIXTURE OF USES.
SOME THEATERS, THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS TEND TO BE THREE TO FOUR STORIES IN HEIGHT, BUT CLEARLY THERE'S NO SETBACK ALONG THE SIDEWALK.
WHERE ALONG, UH, COLLINS, THE BUILDINGS ARE, ARE A LITTLE BIT LARGER.
THEY'RE HOTEL ORIENTED, PRIMARILY
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IN TERMS OF, THERE'S A, THERE'S A RANGE OF ARCHITECTURE STYLE INVOLVED HERE.UH, THERE'S MEDITERRANEAN IN THE CONTEXT, PARTICULARLY ESPANOLA WAY AS A BLOCK TO THE SOUTH ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF WASHINGTON.
CLEARLY ART, MODERN AND DECO INSPIRED BUILDINGS ARE, UH, AROUND THE SITE AND ON THE SITE.
AND, UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME MID-CENTURY BUILDINGS FURTHER NORTH ALONG COLLINS, NORTH OF HATTON HALL.
SO, OUR FIRST RESOURCE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IS HATTON HALL.
IT'S 1500 COLLINS, BUILT IN 1941 IN THE STREAMLINED MODERN STYLE.
THE ARCHITECT IS EL MURRAY DIXON.
KEY FEATURES ARE, UH, SHALLOW U-SHAPE, THE VERTICALLY PROPORTIONED, UH, CENTRAL PROJECTING BAY, AND A CIRCULAR FOUNTAIN IN THE FRONT.
HERE WE HAVE SOME OF THE ROUNDED CORNERS WITH THE CONTINUOUS EYEBROWS OVER THE WINDOWS, THE TERRAZA IN THE ENTRANCE, AND, UH, THE ORNAMENTAL CONCRETE STUCCO, UH, RAILING SYSTEM ALONG THE PERIMETER THERE.
THE INTERIOR PUBLIC SPACE OF THE LOBBY REFLECTS THE AIR OF THE ARCHITECTURE.
WE HAVE THE, THE, UH, TERRA PATTERN FLOORING, THE FLOATING CEILINGS WITH MOLDINGS THERE, AND THE ROUNDED MARBLE CLAD RECEPTION DESK.
NEXT, UH, THE NEXT BUILDING IS THE CAMPTON APARTMENTS, LOCATED AT 1453.
1455 WASHINGTON, BUILT IN 1940, THE STREAMLINED MODERN STYLE, THE ARCHITECT HENRY HOER.
IT HAS A DEEP U-SHAPED COURT DOOR, WHICH IS HEAVILY LANDSCAPED AND SOME, UH, CHEVRON MOTIF, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THE LOWER LEFT HAND SLIDE OR THE IMAGE THERE.
NEXT, PLEASE, UH, SOME OTHER IMAGES SHOWING SOME OF THE DETAIL, THE KEY FEATURES AROUND THE CORNERS, THE EYEBROWS, THE INTERIOR PUBLIC SPACE THERE WITH THEO AND THE FLUTED MANTLEPIECE PIERS THERE NEXT.
AND, UH, THE BUILDINGS ALONG, UM, WASHINGTON AVENUE.
HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE IS 15 15 15 23 WASHINGTON BUILT IN 1948.
AND ON THE RIGHT IS THE, UH, 15, UM, 1491 TO 1513 WASHINGTON BUILT IN 1949.
UH, THEY WERE BOTH BY ALBERT ENNIS.
NEXT, I THINK VERY CLEARLY, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY DEFINE THE STREETSCAPE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS IS, UH, 1515, UH, 1523.
WASHINGTON ORIGINALLY WAS ALL RETAIL IN OFFICES.
THERE ARE TWO STOREFRONTS ON EACH SIDE OF THE BUILDING FRONT IN WASHINGTON.
UH, THEY HAD, UH, CONTINUOUS CONCRETE CANOPIES, WHICH EXTENDED ACROSS THE FRONT, AND THERE WAS SOME TERRAZA DETAILING AT THE ENTRANCES THERE NEXT PLACE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE DESIGN MOTIF IS REALLY THE CONTINUOUS HORIZONTALITY OF THAT FRAME.
SIDEBOARD EXTENDS ACROSS THE TOP, WHICH IS PUNCTUATED BY VERTICAL PIERS BELOW THAT SUPPORT THAT, AND DIVIDE THE, UH, FACADE INTO NINE STOREFRONTS.
UM, SO THAT'S REALLY THE DESIGN INTENT BEHIND THE BUILDING.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE.
UH, THERE'S ALSO SOME NICE, UH, ORNAMENTAL TERRAZA DETAILING AT THE ORIGINAL ENTRANCES TO THE STOREFRONT.
THANK YOU FOR, UH, FOR HEARING US TODAY.
UH, CHRIS EVANS ROT ROTATE STUDIO.
I'M THE PRINCIPAL OF, UH, THE HOUSTON OFFICE, UH, 65 BRIAR HOLLOW, UH, HOUSTON, TEXAS.
UM, SO I'LL BE GOING THROUGH, UH, THIS, UH, WITH AS MUCH INFORMATION I CAN.
IT'S A, IT'S A SIZEABLE DOCUMENT.
SO, UM, WE WILL, UH, GET STARTED.
THE, UH, SO WE'LL START WITH THE HAD IN THE HALL BUILDING OFF OF COLLINS, WHICH IS THE, THE EASTERN BUILDING HERE.
UH, WE ARE, WE ARE PRESERVING THE FACADE OF THAT IN ITS ENTIRETY.
WE ARE, UM, RESTORING THAT FACADE TO ITS, UH, FORMER GLORY.
UM, WE ARE, UH, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DEMOLITION ON THE INTERIOR FOR THE ORIGINAL, UM, GUEST ROOM LAYOUTS, AS WAS, AS WAS PREFACED, UH, THE ORIGINAL, UH, ALL THE ORIGINAL TERRAZZO ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS ON THE EXTERIOR.
UH, THE LOBBY, UH, DETAILS ARE BEING BOTH, UH, PRESERVED AND, UM, AND SOME REPLACED AS WERE, AS WERE DEMOLISHED IN PREVIOUS RENOVATIONS.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A, UM, A ROOFTOP ADDITION BEING ADDED TO THE, THE HADDEN HALL, WHICH WE'LL BE GOING INTO AS WE GO FURTHER.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE, THE CAMPTON APARTMENTS, UH, WHICH IS THE SOUTH, UH, SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THAT IS, UH, EXI CURRENTLY HAS BEEN OPERATED AS THE HOTEL.
UH, THIS HAS BEEN, UM, UH, WILL IS NO LONGER AN APARTMENT BUILDING, BUT WILL BE, UM, UH, THE FACADE PRESERVED IN ITS ENTIRETY AND, AND RESTORED.
UH, THERE WILL BE ALSO PRESERVATION OF THE EXISTING HISTORIC LOBBY.
WE'LL GET INTO THOSE, UH, PLANS IN MORE DETAILS, UH, SO WE CAN DISCUSS THAT.
UM, CAN, CAN I JUST INTERRUPT? CAN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING, CAN YOU POINT TO IT USING YOUR CURSOR? JUST YES.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
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YOU WERE ALREADY DOING IT.WERE YOU ALREADY DOING IT? NO, NO,
I'LL, UH, I'LL DO IT WITH MORE EMPHASIS.
AND THEN, UH, THE, AS AS WAS DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, THERE'S THE, THIS KIND OF PLAN CENTER BUILDING, WHICH IS THE, UM, NINE, UH, 2015, UH, POOL, UH, SUITE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, WHICH WILL BE REMOVED IN ITS ENTIRETY, REALLY TO OPEN THE COURTYARD BACK UP, UP TO ITS HISTORIC KIND OF VOLUMETRIC QUALITY.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE, I, I JUST SOMETHING CALL THE WASHINGTON BUILDINGS.
THOSE, UH, THOSE ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING REMOVED IN ORDER TO BRING THE, UH, THE FINISHED FLOOR UP TO THE, THE CURRENT, UH, NGED.
UM, I THINK JUST AS A, AS A STARTING POINT AS WE GET INTO THE NEXT SLIDES, I THINK JUST WANTED TO REINFORCE OUR LOVE OF THESE HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND REALLY WANTING TO MAKE THE EFFORTS TO PRESERVE THESE AND, AND BRING THEM, UM, INTO, INTO THEIR NEXT KIND OF ITERATION, UM, AS LEADS ARE COMBINED INTO A SINGULAR AND SINGULAR PROPERTY.
UM, AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL MECHANICAL LIFE SAFETY, UM, ADJUSTMENTS BEING MADE IN ORDER TO, UH, IN ORDER TO, UH, ENSURE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL, UM, FORWARD PROGRESS.
UH, SO THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE CURRENT SITE PLAN.
UM, AFTER, AFTER DEMOLITION, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE HADDEN HALL, UH, IT MAINTAINS ITSELF, UM, THE ORIGINAL DRIVE, UH, THE, THE APPROACH.
AND, UM, AND OF COURSE WE'LL GET INTO THE, UH, YEP.
HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO YOU, DO YOU NEED
WE'LL, WE'LL BE AS QUICK AS WE CAN.
I WILL SPEAK FASTER IF YOU CAN DO IT IN 10 MINUTES.
UM, AND THEN, UM, YOU CAN SEE OBVIOUSLY THE COURT, THE, THE CENTRAL COURTYARD, WHICH IS BEING RETURNED BACK TO THE ORIGINAL KIND OF VOLUMETRIC FEEL OF THE, UM, THE, UH, UH, POOL DECK OF THE, OF THE ORIGINAL HADDEN HALL.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE NEW WASHINGTON BUILDING, UM, WHICH IS BEING BUILT AT THE CURRENT SETBACK LINE AS WHERE IT'S, WHERE IT SAYS NOW TO CONTINUE WITH THE CONTINUE, UH, STOREFRONT, UH, FRONTAGE.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE OUTLINE THERE OF THE, THE NEW SEVEN STORY TOWER THAT SITS BACK, UH, FROM THE SETBACK.
UM, AND WE'LL GET IN SOME LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT AS WE GET WITH THE PLANS.
UM, SO OUR, OUR DESIGN NARRATIVE IS REALLY, UH, STORYTELLING.
AND, AND WHAT WE WE'RE VERY INSPIRED BY AND, AND, AND WANT TO REFERENCE IS, IS THE STREAMLINE MODE OF THE, OF THE ORIGINAL HADDEN HALL IN CAMPTON APARTMENTS.
UH, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT THE FOUNDATION OF LIKE, THE ESPANOL WAY AND THE KIND OF SPANISH, MEDITERRANEAN ROOTS, UH, THAT ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE SITE.
UM, SO WE SEE A REALLY, A, A, A BEAUTIFUL COMBINATION OF THOSE TWO, THOSE TWO ELEMENTS AS WE, UM, KIND OF RECREATE A NEW ARCHITECTURE, A NEW STREAMLINED MODERN THAT IS NOT, UH, REFERENCES THE PAST, BUT IS NOT A COPY OF THE PAST.
UH, WE WANT SOME DIS WE WANT, UH, THE SEPARATION FROM THE ORIGINAL, UH, NEXT SLIDE.
UM, AND AS, AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THE, THE, THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL BAAN TREE ON IN FRONT OF THE CAMP APARTMENTS.
AND, UH, WE WERE, UH, INSPIRED BY THAT, THE, THE BIOPHILIA OF THAT, OF THAT TREE AND THE, THE AERIAL ROOTS THAT COME DOWN AND EXPAND, AND THE TREE GETS LARGER AND LARGER.
AND WE THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY SYNONYMOUS WITH HADDEN HALL, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL HOTEL.
AND AS IT EXPANDS AND GROWS AND KIND OF CONNECTS THESE, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF NETWORK OF, OF ELEMENTS THAT TIES THIS PROJECT INTO A SINGULAR FACILITY WHILE MAINTAINING INDEPENDENT STRUCTURES, UH, THIS IS THE FIRST VIEW YOU'LL SEE OF THE AERIAL VIEW.
YOU CAN SEE THAT HADDEN HALL, UH, WHICH IS BEING PRESERVED, UH, LARGELY INTACT AS FROM THE FACADE.
YOU CAN SEE THE NEW ADDITION ON THE NORTH WING.
AND THEN THE, UM, THE SCREENED, UH, UH, UM, TERRACOTTA BREEZE BLOCK, UH, SCREENING OF THE MECHANICAL ON THE SOUTH WING.
UM, IN THE BACKGROUND, YOU CAN SEE THE ROOF, ROOF TERRACE ON TOP OF THE, UH, THE CAMPTON APARTMENTS.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE NEW WASHINGTON, UH, TOWER WITH THE ROOF ROOFTOP RESTAURANTS.
UM, ON THAT, ON THAT CORNER THERE.
UH, SO MOVING INTO THE, THE HADDEN HALL ELEMENTS, UM, UH, JUST FOCUS HERE NEXT, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
UM, SO THIS IS THE VIEW FROM DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT, UM, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE TODAY.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, PRIMARILY CLEANING, UH, CLEANING THE FACADE, REPAIRING ANY DAMAGE, UM, NEW, NEW WINDOWS THAT ARE BOTH, UM, HURRICANE, UH, RATED, BUT ALSO MATCHING THE PROFILES OF THE HISTORIC, HISTORIC PROFILES.
UM, AND THIS IS REALLY THE ANCHOR POINT FOR THE DROP OFF IN THE HOTEL.
UM, OH, ACTUALLY ONE, AND YOU'LL NOTICE IN THIS AS WELL, THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN SLIGHTLY SEE THE, THE NEW ADDITION ON THE ROOFTOP, WHICH, UH, WE WANTED TO HAVE SIMILAR LINES AS A STREAMLINE MODE, DARREN, BUT TO BE DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT AND HAVE, UH, TO REFERENCE, BUT NOT BE, NOT BE AN EXACT COPY OF THE PAST.
THE BASEMENT, UH, WHICH WILL NOT BE ABANDONED, IS BELOW THE, THE, THE LEVEL OF
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THE FLOOD, UH, LEVEL CELLS.SO, MOVING INTO LEVEL ONE OF HADDEN HALL, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS, UH, THE NORTH WING, UM, IS BEING, UM, CONVERTED, LARGELY DEMOED.
ON THE LEFT IS THE DEMOLITION, AND ON THE RIGHT IT'S PROPOSED, UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE YOU'RE DEMOLISHING THE ORIGINAL ROOMS ON THAT, ON THAT NORTH WING TO MAKE A LARGER, UH, BALLROOM.
UH, AND, UH, AND A AND A, UM, UH, PRE-FUNCTION SPACE.
UH, THEN, UH, YOU'LL SEE THE LOBBY, WE WILL GET INTO MORE DETAILS BEING PRESERVED AS, UH, THE HISTORIC LOBBY.
AND THEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THE ROOMS THERE ARE ALSO BEING DEMOLISHED.
AND THE FLOOR LEVEL LOWERED FOR A NEW CAFE CALLED, UH, DIXON'S CAFE ON THE, UH, COLLINS FACING SIDE, UH, FITNESS AND OFFICE FOR THE BACK OF HOUSE OPERATIONS OF THE HOTEL.
UM, SO A LITTLE BIT CLOSER UP, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE.
YOU CAN SEE THE DEMOLITION, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE AREAS IN BLACKWOOD ARE BEING PRESERVED.
SO THAT IS THE HISTORIC LOBBY, UH, WITH THE ANCILLARY SPACES BOTH TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH.
AND THOSE ARE BEING RETAINED, UH, FROM THE, UH, THE FINISHES TO THE DETAILS.
UM, THE RECEPTION DESKS AND THE, UM, UH, CONCIERGE DESK.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT, UH, THOSE, THOSE ELEMENTS THAT ARE STILL MAINTAINING, UM, THE, THE ORIGINAL CONTEXT OF THE PROPERTY, UM, ELEVATIONS AND PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ONLY THING THAT WE ARE CHANGING REALLY IS ON THE LOWER, UH, THE NORTH ELEVATION ON THE LOWER LEFT.
UH, THERE'S SOME, UM, NON HISTORIC ELECTRIC DOORS THAT WILL BE REMOVED, UH, FOR A NEW ELEVATOR THAT'S GOING IN.
AND THEN, UM, THE, UH, WELL, AS WE DO THE FULL RENOVATION, LOOKING AT NEW MECHANICAL SYSTEMS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, INVISIBLE THAN, THAN WHAT YOU SEE IN THE, IN THE CURRENT DESIGN.
UM, UH, MOVING UP TO LEVEL TWO, UH, WE ARE LARGELY RECONFIGURING ALL THE ROOMS, ALTHOUGH MAINTAINING THE WINDOW LOCATIONS AS THEY ARE.
AND SO WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THOSE EXISTING, UH, LAYOUTS TO, UH, TO, TO KEEP THOSE, THE DESIGN INTENT OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, FACADE.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, ON THE NORTH WING, YOU CAN SEE THAT DOUBLE HEIGHT SPACE IN THE, IN THE UPPER RIGHT, THAT IS THE BALLROOM, UH, BELOW TO GET A, A SIZABLE CEILING HEIGHT THERE.
AND THEN ON THE, UH, THE WEST SIDE OF THAT, WE HAVE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL MEETING SPACE, UM, MOVING UP TO LEVEL THREE, UH, MORE, UH, RECONFIGURATION OF THE ROOM TYPES.
UH, ONE THING YOU'LL SEE IS ON THE, UH, WEST SIDE OF THE PROPOSED PLAN, THERE IS A NEW, UH, INTERCONNECTING WALKWAY THAT IS PART OF THE, THE, THE, THE TYING AND, UH, TOGETHER OF THE THREE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS SO THAT IT RUNS PARALLEL TO THE CAMPTON AND CONNECTS TO THE NEW WASHINGTON STRUCTURE.
UM, AND THEN ON THE ROOF DECK, UM, SIMPLY REMOVING, UH, THE EXISTING EQUIPMENT AND SOME, UH, UH, UM, KIND OF SERVICE, SERVICE, UM, BUILDING ON THE, ON THE, YEAH.
AND THEN WE'RE BUILDING THE NEW, UM, THE NEW GUEST ROOM, UH, UNITS ON THE, UH, ON THAT NORTH WING, AS WELL AS A LIVABLE TERRACE THAT LOOKS OUT OVER COLLINS AVENUE.
SO THERE IS AN OUTDOOR SPACE, THAT'S PARTLY WHAT GIVES US A SETBACK FROM THE STREET.
AND THEN OF COURSE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE HAVE THE SCREENED TERRACOTTA BREEZE BLOCK, UM, EQUIPMENT TERRACE.
UM, AS, AS, AS DISCUSSED IN ELEVATION, UH, VERY LITTLE CHANGE, UM, TO THE FACADE, UH, EXCEPT FOR UPDATE, UPDATING THE WINDOWS AND THE SYSTEMS TO, TO, UH, HURRICANE, UH, RATING, UH, AND MATCHING THE EXISTING PROFILES.
UM, AND THEN ON THE, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS THE SIGHT LINE VIEW, UH, VIEWPOINT.
SO, UH, THE UPPER WING YOU'RE SEEING FROM ACROSS THE STREET, LOOKING AT THE NORTH WING, YOU CAN SEE THE DIAGRAM IN THE UPPER RIGHT, UH, THAT IS SHOWING THE SETBACK LINE, THAT IT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE OTHER, OTHER SIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEN ON THE SOUTHERN OR THE, THE, THE LOWER IMAGE IS, UH, LOOKING AT THE CENTER WING, UH, WHERE WE HAVE AN ELEVATOR AND STAIRS COMING UP FOR THAT FOURTH FLOOR.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT, THAT, UM, THAT LINE OF SIGHT AS IT, UH, FROM ACROSS THE STREET AS WELL.
UH, THIS IS, UH, STARTING TO LOOK AT THE DETAILS OF THIS.
LIKE I SAID, WE WANT THIS TO BE AN ARCHITECTURE THAT, UH, UH, REFERENCES, UH, OUR STREAMLINE MODERNA, BUT IT'S NOT A, IS NOT A DIRECT COPY.
SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE, A LITTLE BIT MORE MINIMAL, UH, GLASS, UH, BUT WITH THOSE SAME BEAUTIFUL CURVES OF THE STREAMLINED MODERN.
UM, NEXT BUILDING IS THE CAMPTON APARTMENTS, UM, UH, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT.
UH, OBVIOUSLY IN THIS RENDERING, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE HISTORIC BANYAN TREE, WHICH IS JUST THE LEFT THERE.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS AS A, AS A FAIRLY SET BACK GARDEN.
UM, ONE THING I WILL NOTE IS IN THIS ELEVATION YOU SEE, OR THIS RENDERING, YOU SEE THE, UM, UH, THE SHRUBS, UH, THAT KIND OF DEFINE THE BOUNDARY THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED, THAT THOSE ARE NO LONGER NO TOLERANT FOREFOOT, WHICH WAS, UM, CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE INTEND TO TEND TO ADJUST, UM, BASEMENT, UH, WILL NO LONGER BE, WILL BE USED.
UH, THESE, UH, OBVIOUSLY THESE WERE THE ORIGINAL APARTMENT LAYOUTS, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN, THEY WERE SINCE CONVERTED IN 2015 INTO HOTEL ROOMS. BUT THEY WILL BE, THEY WILL BE REMOVED, UH, AS THIS WILL BECOME A, UM, UH, TREATMENT, UH, A SPA,
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UH, SPA TREATMENT, UH, FACILITY.WE ARE MAINTAINING AND PROTECTING THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC, UM, UH, LOBBY, WHICH YOU CAN SEE THERE IN THE, KIND OF THE BRIDGE CONNECTION IN THERE BETWEEN THE TWO, THE NORTH AND SOUTH WINGS, UH, THAT WILL BE PRESERVED IN ITS ENTIRETY.
UM, FLOOR FINISHES AND ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS.
UM, SEC SECOND LEVEL OF APARTMENTS IS LARGELY BEING REMOVED.
THERE IS A SMALL MEZZANINE IN THE NORTH, UH, THE NORTH WING.
UM, AND THEN ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU SEE THE ROOF TERRACE.
UH, WE ARE MOVING THE EQUIPMENT FROM THIS, UH, THIS BUILDING.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, INTRODUCING A, UM, UH, A ROOF TERRACE FOR THE SPA FACILITY.
UM, THE, UH, THERE WAS ONE COMMENT, UH, WHICH WE CAN SEE IN SOME NEXT SLIDES, BUT THE, THE, THERE'S A BRIDGE, GO BACK.
THERE'S A BRIDGE THAT CONNECTS THE NORTH AND SOUTH WINGS.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO, UH, AT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WE'LL BE LOOKING TO MAKE THAT MORE NARROW, SET IT BACK.
SO IT IS ARCHITECTURALLY SEPARATE FROM, UH, THE ORIGINAL FACADE.
AND, UH, STRUCTURALLY WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, WE SEE NO REASON WHY WE CANNOT SPAN OVER THE, THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC LOBBY, SO THAT THERE IS NO INTER INTRODUCTION OF ANY COLUMNS.
UM, SO THE, THE ELEVATION SIMILAR TO HAVING VERY, UH, VERY LITTLE CHANGE TO THE FACADE, SIMPLY, UH, RESTORING, UM, AND, AND MAINTAINING THE, THE NEW FACADE.
UM, UH, YOU WILL SEE IN THE BACKGROUND BETWEEN THERE, THERE IS A, THAT THE BRIDGING ELEMENT, AS I DISCUSSED, WE WILL BE REVISING THAT TO, TO MAKE IT LESS, UM, TO, TO SEPARATE THE PLANES.
UH, FURTHER, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT ACTUALLY VERY CLEARLY IN THE UPPER, UPPER LEFT IMAGE WHERE THAT BRIDGE CONNECTS, AND THEN RIGHT THERE IN THIS SECTION.
SO WE WILL BE LOOKING TO MAKE THAT NARROWER.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE COLUMNS WILL BE, WILL BE SPREAD SO THAT THE, THEY DO NOT AFFECT THE, UH, THE INTEGRITY OF THE, THE ROOM BELOW.
CHRIS, DO YOU NEED FIVE MINUTES OR 10 MINUTES? I WOULD SAY 10.
HOW, HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU LIKE? UH, 10 MINUTES WOULD BE IDEAL, I THINK.
UM, UH, COURTYARD, OBVIOUSLY RETAINING, UH, REMOVING THE ORIGINAL OR THE STRUCTURE FROM 2015, UM, TO OPEN UP THE VOLUMETRIC FEEL, UH, HIGHLY INFLUENCED BY THE, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE ARCHITECT, UH, ROBERTO BURLEY MARX.
UM, BUT REALLY WANTING TO KIND OF LAY IN WITH MATERIALS, THE SPANISH MEDITERRANEAN MATERIALS, UM, IN THE MOSAICS, UM, TO, TO ENHANCE THE EXISTING POOL DECK.
UH, THIS, I THINK ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS A VERY IMPORTANT IMAGE, WHICH, UH, SHOWS, UH, THE KIND OF THE, THE REFERENCE TO THE STREAMLINED MODERN, UH, KIND OF INTERPLATE WITH THE, UH, THE BIOPHILIA OF THE, THE BANYAN TREE CONCEPT, ESPECIALLY IN THAT INTERSECTION BETWEEN THOSE, THOSE TWO.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT BRIDGING ELEMENT IN THE, UH, IN THE BACKGROUND OF THAT VIEW, WHICH CONNECTS HATTON HALL TO CAMPTON AND TO THE NEW WASHINGTON BUILDING.
UM, DEMOLITION PLAN ON THE LEFT, OBVIOUSLY REMOVING THE, THE POOL BUILDING.
AND THEN THE TWO, THE TWO, THE TWO WASHINGTON BUILDINGS, UH, TO BRING BACK THAT, THAT NEW, UM, COURTYARD.
UH, THIS IS THE SIDE ELEVATION OF THE CAMP, WHICH FACES INTO THIS COURTYARD.
UM, IT, YOU KNOW, UH, MAINTAINING MANY OF THE WINDOWS, BUT CLEANING UP THE FACADE, UH, TO ENGAGE THAT, UH, SPA FACILITY WITH THE POOL DECK.
SO YOU CAN SEE, UH, THAT BRIDGING ELEMENT.
UH, THIS IS THE, UH, UH, SOUTH, UH, SORRY, UH, WEST ELEVATION OF THE, OF THE POOL DECK.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE SECTION THROUGH THE POOL THERE.
AND THEN THE NEW, THE NEW BUILDING IN THE BACKGROUND.
UM, AS WELL AS YOU CAN SEE THE BRIDGING ELEMENT AND SECTION HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE.
AND THEN HERE IT IS AN ELEVATION.
SO THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE CONNECTING.
THIS IS ALLOWING PEOPLE TO TRANS, UH, UH, TRANS, UH, MOVE FROM, UH, THE HADDEN HALL TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS WITHOUT, UH, WITH RAIN COVER.
AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, THE, UH, THE PLANTER DETAILS THERE ON THE FACADE.
THOSE WILL ALL THE IRRIGATED PLANTERS.
UM, AND THEN MOVING INTO THE WASHINGTON BUILDING.
UM, WE'LL START IN THE, THE, DO WE HAVE AN ENLARGED, UH, WE'LL LOOK AT THE ELEVATION.
UM, SO ON THE, ON THE LOWER LEFT CORNER, UH, THAT'S KIND OF THE REAL START.
THAT'S THE, UH, ANOTHER ADDITIONAL, UH, HOTEL LOBBY ZONE.
IT'S NOT REALLY A CHECK-IN ZONE, BUT IT IS A SECURITY POINT FOR PEOPLE IN A WAY TO ACTIVATE, UH, WASHINGTON AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THE HOTEL IS, IS DUAL-SIDED AND ACTIVATES BOTH SIDES OF BOTH COLLINS AND WASHINGTON.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE A SMALL POOL BAR, UH, TO THE RIGHT.
AND THEN OUR THREE MILL RESTAURANT IS THAT PURPLE COLOR THERE.
UM, WE HAVE A SMALL, UM, UH, COFFEE SHOP, UM, AND THEN A RETAIL SPACE, BOTH THE COFFEE SHOP AND THE, UM, THE RETAIL WILL BE MANAGED BY THE HOTEL SO THAT THEY CAN MAINTAIN THE, THE, THE CONTINUITY AND THE, AND THE, UM, UH, THE GOAL OF HOW THEY PRESENT THINGS.
UM, USING THE RENDERING, YOU CAN SEE THE RECONSTRUCTED, UH, ELEVATION THAT IS, UM, UH, TRYING TO FOLLOW THE DESIGN INTENT OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, THE ORIGINAL, UM, BUILDINGS.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE SETBACK, THE 30 FOOT SETBACK FOR THE, WHERE THE TOWER SITS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE, UH, CONTINUING ELEMENTS OF, UM, STREAMLINED
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MODERN AND, AND THE, AND THE BAAN TREE, TREE, UM, MOVING, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT GROUND FLOOR, BUT THEN, UH, ON THE, ON THE RIGHT IS SECOND FLOOR, UH, WHERE YOU CAN SEE, UH, NEW, THIS IS WHERE THE GUEST ROOMS, PRIMARY GUEST ROOMS START.AND YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, LIVABLE TERRACES ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT BUILDING AS THEY, UH, COVER THE, UM, THE TERRACE IN THE BUILDING, SO THE, THE RESTAURANT BELOW AND HOW THE TOWER STARTS TO ANGLE.
AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE SETBACK, UM, SO THAT WE HAVE NO MORE THAN A HUNDRED FEET OF, UH, AT THE SETBACK LINE.
AND THEN IT, IT DOES STEP BACK, UM, AT AN ANGLE AFTER A HUNDRED FEET.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ANGLE, UH, IN THAT FACADE.
UM, MOVING UP TO THREE AND FLOOR LARGELY THE SAME, UH, EXTENSION OF THE GUEST ROOMS. UH, LEVEL SIX IS WHERE THINGS, UH, START TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.
WE HAVE ON THE LOWER NORTH, UH, SORRY, SOUTH EAST CORNER, UH, PRESIDENTIAL SUITE AND A LIVABLE TERRACE, UH, DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THAT.
AND ONE THING WE WILL NOTE IS THAT THESE ARE NOT MINIMAL ROOM SIZES.
THESE ARE, UM, UH, STANDARD IS, UH, 330 SQUARE FEET, AND THEN THEY GO UP FROM THERE, DEPENDING ON JUNIOR SUITES HERE, OR, UM, PRESIDENTIAL NEXT SLIDE.
AND THEN, UH, LEVEL SEVEN, UH, IS, IS WHERE WE WILL SEE THE, THE RESTAURANT.
SO THIS IS THE ROOFTOP RESTAURANT AND, AND THE POOL DECK.
UM, WE ARE VERY CONSCIOUS OF NEIGHBORHOOD SOUND TRANSMISSION, AND, UH, I'VE WORKED QUITE A BIT WITH THE PLANNING BOARD TO ENSURE, UH, THE SOUND IS, IS MITIGATED.
UM, AND THE BAR IS FULLY INTERIOR.
THE BAR PROPER IS FULLY INTERIOR, UM, WITH, UH, A CORRIDOR THAT SEPARATES, UM, FROM THE, FROM THE, FROM REALLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIDE.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE ADDITIONAL GUEST ROOMS TO THE NORTH, UH, ELEVATIONS OF THAT, UH, WASHINGTON, UH, WASHINGTON FACADE.
UH, THIS, YOU CAN SEE THE TWO DIFFERENT HEIGHTS.
UH, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS AS IT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED, UM, WHEN BUILT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, ON THE LEFT, UH, AS THE STREETS IS RAISED AT A LATER DATE, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, THAT, THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN HOW THOSE ADJUST TO EACH OTHER.
AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PRESENTATION.
WE DO HAVE AN ADDENDUM IF THERE'S QUESTIONS THAT COME UP THAT WE NEED TO ANSWER.
YES, WE, WE ARE APPRECIATIVE OF THE EXTRA TIME.
UH, WE DID GO BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD IN JANUARY AND RECEIVED A UNANIMOUS APPROVAL FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT STRUCTURE AND NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENTS, WHICH IS THE COLLECTIVE TOTAL OF THE SEATS, BROUGHT US OVER THE REQUIRED MINIMUM, UH, PERTAINING TO OUR WAIVERS.
UH, ONE ADDITIONAL NOTE IS WE AGREED AT THE PLANNING BOARD TO A CONDITION, UH, THAT THE HOTEL WILL HAVE A DOCK MASTER, UH, HIRED EMPLOYEE ON SITE DURING ALL LOADING OPERATIONS.
SO, UH, TO SUPPORT, UH, THE ON-STREET LOADING REQUEST, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, WHEN WORKING WITH THE PARKING DEPARTMENT, UH, THEY LOOKED AT THE CONTEXT OF WASHINGTON AVENUE AND THE ON STREET LOADING AND AGREED TO WHEN OUR PROJECT GOES THROUGH PERMITTING TO ADD A FOURTH LOADING SPOT, UH, THERE ON WASHINGTON AVENUE FOR OUR USE.
UH, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE ARE APPRECIATIVE OF THE EXTRA TIME, UH, AND WILL RESERVE TIME FOR REBUTTAL.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
UM, NOW WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BOARD TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.
UM, IS, UH, RAY, DO YOU WANNA START? UH, JUST, UH, SO THE MAIN, UM, ENTRANCE TO THE HOTEL WILL BE FROM THE HAYDEN HOUSE, AND THE OTHER ENTRANCE ON WASHINGTON IS JUST, UM, THAT WAS I, OKAY.
I APPRECIATE IT'S REALLY A SECONDARY
I, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT TO START WITH, SO THANK YOU.
BRIAN, YOU READY? OR, OR JUST, JUST MAKE SURE HASKELL YOU ARE, YOU NEED MORE TIME.
ALRIGHT, JUST A QUESTION ON THE, UM, KIND OF ON LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, UM, I GUESS ON STARTING WITH THE HADDEN BUILDING, UM, THERE FROM THE RENDERS, I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T GET THE FEELING THAT MAYBE THEY'RE ALL COMPLETE, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS FINISHED.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I AT LEAST APPRECIATED FROM THE, THE RESOURCES REPORT WAS JUST KIND OF THIS LUSH, I WOULD CALL IT ALMOST A LAWN WITH LIKE THIS FOCUS ON THE FOUNTAIN, UM, IN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, WHICH IS MOST OF THE ELEMENTS ARE STILL THERE.
UM, AND LOOK, I'M AWARE THAT THERE'S A CURB CUT.
NOW I'M AWARE THAT THERE'S LIKE A, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, UM, LIKE KIND OF WALKWAY ON THE LEFT, LEFT HAND SIDE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE DIFFERENT RENDERINGS, THEY DON'T SEEM SO CONSISTENT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE RENDERINGS ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE FOR DESIGN AND ATTEND IN SOME WAYS, BUT THEY ARE, OR I GUESS YOU COULD JUST TELL US WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING TO, TO FRONT THERE.
WELL, THE, THE PLANS WILL TAKE PRECEDENT OVER THE, OVER THE, THE RENDERS, UH, AT KEN GARDNER, HERE'S THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, AND HE CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK TO SOME MORE SPECIFICS.
UH, KEN GARDNER, GSLA DESIGN LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS,
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UH, OFFICES OF 1 76, 70 NORTHWEST, 78TH AVENUE, MIAMI.UM, WE ARE, WE'RE LOOKING TO, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, KEEP WITH THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE THING WITH THE HISTORIC PLANT MATERIALS, BUT ALSO TO CREATE A LUSH, WELCOMING, INVITING, UM, ENVIRONMENT AS, AS YOU, YOU ENTER INTO THE, THE SITE.
SO, UM, THERE ARE PLANTERS ALONGSIDE THE BUILDING NOW MOST OF THE PLANTING NOW ARE KIND OF IN POTS AND IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF, YEAH, THAT ACTUALLY WAS ONE OF MY COMMENTS IS THAT IF YOU, 'CAUSE I, I DID TOUR THE SITE AND SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE DID DISCLOSURES ALREADY.
UM, BUT I NOTICED THAT THAT KIND OF DISJOINTED NATURE, I THINK MAKES IT LESS, UM, LESS PLEASURABLE, LIKE AS AN EXPERIENCE, LIKE AS OPPOSED TO THIS, WHICH IS WAS THE ORIGINAL KIND OF INTENT, WHICH I THINK IS A LITTLE MORE, UM, LITTLE MORE COHESIVE, I WOULD SAY.
SO I MEAN THE, THE POTTED PLANTS ARE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HAPHAZARD, NOT IN REGULAR FORMATION.
IT'S, IT'S ALSO NOT OVERLY FROM A HORTICULTURAL STANDPOINT, THE, THE MOST SUSTAINABLE WAY TO, TO DO IT.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THE MATERIAL IN THE GROUND.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE REDUCING A LITTLE BIT OF THE PAVEMENT TO A, UH, PERFECT, YOU KNOW, A LOT.
I MEAN, IT'S REALLY CONFUSING FROM YOUR RENDERINGS 'CAUSE THE, THERE'S YOUR RENDERING SHOWS TONS OF PAVEMENT IN THAT SECTION, BUT THANK YOU.
'CAUSE THAT'S HOW I, YEAH, WE ARE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING ALL, ALL OF THE PAVEMENT.
'CAUSE THERE'S STILL THE CIRCULATION ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, WORKED THROUGH.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE ARE, BUT PARTICULARLY ON THOSE LIKE, LET'S SAY ON THE SOUTH, YOU KNOW, SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT KIND OF STRETCHES ALONG THE BUILDING.
YOU'VE GOT A LOT, AGAIN, IN THE RENDERS.
YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF KIND OF DISPARATE LOOKING PLANTS THERE.
AND THEN ALSO ON THE NORTH SIDE AS WELL.
SO IT'S, IT, OUR INTENTION NOW IS NOT REALLY A REGIMENTED DESIGN.
IT'S, IT'S TO, IT'S TO CARESS THE BUILDING INTO A, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A NATURALISTIC, I MEAN, I'M NOT, NOT A WILD JUNGLE, BUT A LITTLE BIT MORE NATURALISTIC OF A, OF A DESIGN.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING FOR.
UM, AND WHAT ABOUT THAT, THAT WALKWAY ON THE, THE SOUTH SIDE? 'CAUSE THAT YEAH, THAT, SO I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A, A BIGGER OPPORTUNITY THERE TO AGAIN, TRY TO KIND OF STRIKE THE BALANCE OF THIS.
WE ARE, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S NOT A MAJOR DESIGN.
IT, IT'S, IT'S AN ACCESS PATH.
EFFECTIVELY TO, TO ALLOW YOU ACCESS TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING WITHOUT GOING ALL THE WAY OUT INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEN JUST WHILE I HAVE YOU UP HERE, 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE THE EXPERT ON THIS, UM, THE, IT, IT'S WELL KNOWN IN, IN MIAMI THAT THE, SOME OF THE BIOPHILIC, UM, UH, UH, ASSETS OF SOME OF, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PREEZ ART MUSEUM, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, WHICH USED SOME OF, I'M NOT SURE HOW SIMILAR THEY ARE.
AND I GUESS I JUST WANNA KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE USING HERE BECAUSE IT, AT THE PEREZ, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THAT HANG, THOSE HANGING PLANTS HAVE CREATED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CONCRETE WATER INTRUSION.
THEY'VE NEVER SINCE THE BEGINNING.
HARRIS AND DERON, I'M I'M TOLD BY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THERE, WHICH IS A VERY STAR BOARD IN MIAMI, WE'RE TOLD THAT THERE WOULD BE NO ISSUES AND THAT EVERYTHING WOULD WORK SEAMLESSLY.
AND LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY STILL ARE HAVING TONS OF ISSUES WITH, WITH BOTH WATER INTRUSION, WITH THE EFFICACY OF THOSE, THOSE WATER SYSTEMS THAT, UM, THAT FEED THOSE PLANTS THAT LOOK, THAT LOOK TO BE HANGING FROM THE RENDERINGS.
BUT PERHAPS I'M MISINTERPRETING IT.
SO, UH, I, I OBVIOUSLY DID NOT DESIGN PEREZ, SO I'M, I'M NOT FULLY AWARE OF ALL THE DETAILS OF OF THAT.
I JUST BRING IT UP BECAUSE NO, NO, NO.
THEY'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON THIS, RIGHT.
LIKE WITH TONS OF CONSULTANTS OVER MANY, MANY YEARS.
AND I, I'M TOLD THAT THEY STILL HAVE NOT GOTTEN IT CORRECT THERE.
AGAIN, I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT PROJECT IN PARTICULAR, BUT WE HAVE, UH, DESIGNED, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, LANDSCAPES ON ELEVATED SURFACES A LOT, INCLUDING THE, THE GARAGE AT SIX ON SIX IN WASHINGTON, UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, HAS SURVIVED FOR 20 SOMETHING YEARS AT LEAST.
UM, AND, AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS, IS THE PROPER PLANNING AND, AND ALLOWANCE FOR THE, THE HORTICULTURAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE PLANT MATERIAL.
SO THAT'S, UH, ALLOWING FOR, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT ROOTING SPACE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING ENOUGH SOIL TO SUSTAIN PLANT LIFE.
UM, BUT IT'S ALSO MAKING SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE PROPER, UH, UH, WATERPROOFING, DRAINAGE, IRRIGATION.
UM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, FOR THE SIX STREET GARAGE, 'CAUSE WE KNEW IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO
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MAINTAIN THAT GARAGE.UM, WE INCLUDED, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE HELPED KIND OF DEVELOP CALLED A FERTIGATION SYSTEM.
SO EVERY TIME THE IRRIGATION WENT ON, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF FERTILIZER THAT WENT INTO TO, AGAIN, TO HELP SUSTAIN THE PLANT LIFE.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS, AS DESIGNERS, I DON'T WANT THE PICTURE ON DAY ONE.
I WANT THE PICTURE 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
I WANT THE PICTURE 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
I WANT THIS PROJECT TO LAST IN PERPETUITY.
I'M LOOKING AT AMENITY DIAGRAM LEVEL ZERO ONE.
HOW MANY, SO YOU MAY HAVE TOUCHED ON IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHERE'S YOUR LOADING GONNA BE? 'CAUSE YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT FOUR SPACES AND THE PARKING DEPARTMENT HAS SAID THAT YOU MAY GET FOUR SPACES IN THE FUTURE ALLOCATED TO DELIVERIES.
WHERE'S YOUR DELIVERY CORD? OR HOW ARE YOU GONNA SERVICE THIS HOTEL? LET ME PULL UP THE, WHICH ONE DO YOU THINK IS BEST? UM, PROBABLY THE ONE THAT THE, THE FIRST PLANS HAS, UH, IS A, IS IT AERIAL? IS IT FURTHER ZOOMED OUT? I'M GONNA SKIP TO THE BEGINNING SO WE CAN, IT'S DRAWING NUMBER A ZERO DASH 64.
IS IT THIS ONE? YOU CAN GO ONE MORE BACK.
I THINK THAT THE OVER, YEAH, IT'S THIS ONE HERE.
THE LOADING IS NOT ACTUALLY ON.
THE LOADING SPACE IS, UH, SO IMMEDIATELY TO OUR NORTH IS CLUB MADONNA, THAT BUILDING, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER VACANT BUILDING NEXT TO THAT.
THE CURRENT LOADING ZONE IS IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING.
THERE'S THREE, UH, ON STREET LOADING SPACES.
UH, BUT THERE'S ROOM FOR A FOURTH.
AND ALL OF OUR LOADING AND DELIVERY DELIVERIES WILL BE CIRCULATED, UH, INTERNAL TO THIS NORTH CORRIDOR THAT WE'VE CREATED SO THAT YOU CAN COME IN FROM OUR LOADING ZONE TO THE NORTH.
THE, THE PROPERTY, IS THAT THE BACK OF HOUSE CORRIDOR THAT I'M LOOKING AT? CORRECT.
SO ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE BACK OF HOUSE, UH, OKAY.
SERVICE, FPL, ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN CONCENTRATED BEHIND THE HISTORIC FRONTAGE.
SO YOU HAVE THREE FOOT FOUR THERE SHOWING CORRECT.
THAT'S SUFFICIENT FOR YOU TO PROVIDE ALL THE SERVICE FOR THE HOTEL THROUGH THAT THREE FOOT FOUR AREA, CORRECT? YEAH, WE HAVE, THERE'S A ZONE THERE THAT YOU CAN BE ONCE YOU BYPASS, UH, AND THEN IT GOES, IT IS WIDE, NOT AS IT GOES, UH, FURTHER INTO THE, INTO THE SPACE, BUT THERE IS A SPACE.
WHAT WAS THAT? AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A DOCK MASTER, CORRECT.
SO WE'LL HAVE A, SO YES, WE, WE BELIEVE THAT THE THREE FEET IS SUFFICIENT AND THEN IT DOES OPEN UP TO DOUBLE THAT SEVEN AND A HALF FEET.
UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE A FULL-TIME AS WHENEVER LOADING AND DELIVERIES ARE EXPECTED, WE'LL HAVE A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE THAT THAT'S THEIR JOB TO COORDINATE SO THAT THEY'RE NOT ARRIVING AT THE SAME TIME SO THAT THEY'RE PARKED IN THE RIGHT LOCATION.
UM, AND THAT SO THEY CAN SEAMLESSLY ENTER THE SITE AND KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE TWO LANES ON WASHINGTON AVENUE PLUS IT'S THE PARKING LANE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THAT'S 71 AND A HALF FOOT ROUGHLY SPACE IS GONNA BE ALLOCATED FOR LOADING, RIGHT? THERE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THE 71 AND A HALF FEET FROM, I THINK SHE'S, THE LOADING ZONE WAS NORTH AT THAT.
THE, IS THE LOADING ZONE IS, IS IT'S, IT'S ON STREET.
IT'S WITHIN THE ON STREET PARKING SPOTS.
THE LOADING THE LOADING ZONE, OR IS IN A PARKING SPOT, WHAT LOOKS LIKE THE PARKING.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BLOCK THE, THE TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC.
THEY'LL BE COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF LANES.
BUT I, I, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE DESIGN.
I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN.
YOU'VE MAXIMIZED THE AMOUNT OF AMENITIES ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO I, I WANNA KNOW WHY ARE YOU ENCROACHING WITH YOUR STEPS INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY? WE ARE NOT, UH, ENCROACHING INTO THE, INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WE DID ADVISE, UH, YOU'RE BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE.
NO, WE DID, WE DID REVISE TO, TO PUSH BACK, UM, FULLY OUTSIDE OF THAT PROPERTY LINE.
UH, PLEASE REPEAT, I COULDN'T, WE PUSHED BACK TO, TO BE OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE THEN OUR REVIEW WITH PLANNING AND, AND HISTORIC COMMITTEE OR, UH, STAFF PROJECT.
CAN YOU PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN SO WE CAN SEE IT? LET'S LOOK AT THAT DRAWING.
THE, SO WE'RE PROVIDING OUR, OUR PLANS PROVIDE THE CURRENT CROWN OF ROAD CONDITION AND THEN THE FUTURE CROWN OF ROAD CONDITION, WHICH IS OVER A FOOT HIGHER.
UM, WE DO HAVE STEPS IN OUR FRONTAGE, UM, BUT AS PART OF THE PLANNING REVIEW, UM, WE'VE AGREED THAT THOSE WILL BE WITHIN OUR PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE NOT ENC ENCROACHING, BUT THEY'RE NOT SHOWN CURRENTLY.
SO THIS IS AN INCORRECT, THE WAY THEY'RE SHOWN CURRENTLY IS NOT CORRECT ON THIS PARTICULAR DRAWING.
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LOOKING AT A OH SIX FOUR I THINK.CAN YOU PULL THIS ONE UP BY ANY CHANCE? YOU WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT THAT? RA OH SIX FOUR RIGHT THERE.
WAIT, CAN WE HAVE IT ON THE MIC? UH, IF YOU WANNA TAKE THE DRAWING BACK, UM, AND, AND SHOW IT, YOU CAN, OR I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY FIND THAT ON ANOTHER PLAN WE HAVE IT ON.
I BELIEVE WE VISED THAT ON THAT.
RIGHT? SO WHEN THE, WHEN THE FUTURE CROWN OF ROAD IS RAISED, THOSE STEPS WILL BE ABSORBED.
SO THIS IS PART OF, UH, WHAT WE WORKED WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
CAN YOU POINT THEM OUT JUST SO WE CAN BE REALLY CLEAR? SO I THINK THE, THE STEPS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING ARE THESE HERE IN THE FRONT, UM, THAT IT APPEARS THAT TWO OF THEM ARE WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THAT WAS A QUESTION OF, UH, STAFF.
AND WE WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE HAVE TO HARMONIZE IN THE FUTURE, UH, THAT THERE'S NOT A BIG GAP OR WE DON'T HAVE RAMPING, UM, INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THIS IS CURRENT CONDITION, BUT WHEN THE ROAD AND THE SIDEWALK ARE RAISED, IT WON'T ENCROACH.
BUT THAT, BUT THAT SAYS PROPOSED PLAN, RIGHT? EXCUSE ME, SORRY.
WHAT DOES THE ELEVATION HAVE TO DO WITH THE BY? SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS BY RAISING THE LEVEL OF THE SIDEWALK, YOU'RE GONNA ELIMINATE TWO STEPS MM-HMM
YOU'RE GONNA RAISE THAT ROADWAY A FOOT.
WHY DON'T YOU LET THEM ANSWER? UM, CAN, DID YOU HEAR THE QUESTION, UH, ABOUT THE AMOUNT THE ROAD WILL BE RAISED? UM, MAYBE THE TIMELINE WHEN THAT'S PLANNING TO BE, TO HAPPEN? MAYBE THAT'S MORE DEBBIE QUESTION, BUT JUST FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE.
I THINK THAT WAS THE QUESTION.
THE PUBLIC WORKS ADVISED US THAT IT'S A FIVE YEAR PLAN.
FIVE, UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW EITHER.
SO I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS IN THEIR EMAIL WHEN THEY SEND IT.
THAT'S WHY THESE PLANS INCLUDE PROPOSED AND OR THEY INCLUDE CURRENT AND FUTURE RAISING SO THAT THE PROJECT IS ABLE TO HARMONIZE REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE CITY IS IN THE TIMELINE OF RAISING THE ROAD.
I'M OKAY WITH IT AS LONG AS THEY DON'T ENCROACH
UH, WHEN WE UNDERSTAND WHEN THE BUILDING IS, UH, OPEN, BUT WHEN THE BUILDING IS OPEN, IT COULD BE, THERE WILL BE TWO STEPS THAT WILL COME OUT ENCROACHING BEYOND THE EDGE OF THE, BEYOND THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT THE COMPROMISE YOU GUYS WERE ABLE TO, UH, ACHIEVE? YES.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE, I BELIEVE SO IF THE YES, SO WE, THE REVOCABLE YES.
WHICH WILL REQUIRE REVOCABLE PERMIT FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
SO IF WE DON'T, DON'T OBTAIN THE REVOCABLE PERMIT TO CONSTRUCT INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY, THEN WE HAVE TO PUSH IT BACK.
WE HAVE TO PUSH OUR STEPS BACK SO THAT THEY HARMONIZE, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS PUSH IT BACK.
BUT JUST FOR THE EDIFICATION OF EVERYONE LISTENING TO MAKE SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND.
SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU, YOU GUYS HAD REACHED, UH, OUT TO PUBLIC WORKS, THE PLAN TO ACTUALLY RAISE THE ROADS WILL TAKE LONGER, APPROXIMATELY FIVE YEARS.
AND SO THE, THE CONSENSUS, UM, IN, IN BETWEEN IS THAT THIS, THE STEPS IN UNTIL THEY GO GO TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA GO PAST THE PROPERTY PROPERTY LINE WITHIN THOSE FIVE YEARS.
IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT, YES.
THE REASON I RAISED THAT IS BECAUSE YOU'RE REALLY CHOKING THAT SIDEWALK OFF.
IT'S ANOTHER FOOT OUT OF THE SIDEWALK AT THIS POINT WHERE YOU HAVE THE STEPS, IT'S ABOUT SIX FEET WIDE.
AND TO HAVE ALL THIS ACTIVITY ON, ON UH, WASHINGTON AVENUE, LIMITED TO FIVE OR SIX FOOT AREA, I THINK IS DIFFICULT TO LIVE WITH.
CAN YOU PUT THE IMAGE BACK UP, THE RENDERING THAT YOU WERE SHOWING? UM, THAT ONE.
SO ON THE RIGHT, YEAH, NO, I CAN'T SEE WHAT THESE YEAH.
ON THE RIGHT THERE'S, THAT'S WHERE THIS, CAN YOU POINT THE STEP IS IT, UH, WILL THE HANDRAIL COME OUT IN ALSO AHEAD OF THE STEP? RIGHT.
SO YOU'LL HAVE, WHAT'S THE DIMENSION BETWEEN THE WALL THERE WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, PLANTS ON IT AND THE HANDRAIL? JUST TO KNOW HOW MUCH WILL IT'LL BE STICKING OUT.
THE HANDRAIL WILL EXTEND ONE FOOT BEYOND THE LOWEST STEP.
AND THEN THE, WE HAVE ONE STEP OR ONE AND A HALF STEPS THAT'S COMING OUT BEYOND THE WALL.
WE HAVE ONE STEP THAT PROJECTS ONE AND THAT THAT, AND THEN WE HAVE AN 11 FOOT SIX SIDEWALK, UM, ON THAT.
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OH YES.THAT'S, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THE DISCUSSION WITH PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT A FIVE YEAR TIMELINE IS WHAT THEY'RE ANTICIPATING, RIGHT? THE FUTURE COR CONDITIONS, DOES THAT REPRESENT THE FIVE YEAR OH, WE TOOK IT AWAY
SO DOES, SO THE FUTURE CON ROAD CONDITIONS, DOES THAT REFLECT FIVE YEARS OR DOES THAT REFLECT EVEN FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD? 'CAUSE RIGHT THERE, I ONLY SEE TWO REMAINING STEPS.
I MEAN, IT'S COME UP QUITE A BIT.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHERE THAT IS IN THAT TIMELINE.
IS THAT AT THE FIVE YEARS THAT'S PROJECTED OR IS THAT EVEN LATER? CORRECT.
SO THIS IS INTENDED TO ABSORB AND HARMONIZE WITH THE FUTURE KIND OF ROAD ONCE IT'S CONSTRUCTED.
SO IF, IF THE BUILDING IS BUILT TODAY UNDER THE CURRENT CONDITION, THIS IS HOW THE STEPS WILL BE HARMONIZED WITH THE SIDEWALK.
ONCE THE SIDEWALK AND THE STREET IS RAISED, THIS IS HOW IT'LL BE HARMONIZED.
MY QUESTION IS, THE FIVE YEAR TIMELINE THAT PUBLIX WORKS HAS GIVEN YOU, DOES IT TAKE IT TO THAT FUTURE COR CONDITION? CORRECT.
THAT IS REPRESENTED IN THAT DRAWING? CORRECT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW.
I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS A SUBSEQUENT RAISING OR WHERE WE EXPECTED IT TO BE.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO THANK.
WE'RE NOT SURE WHERE THE PROJECT WILL SIT WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS IS TIMELINE, SO THAT'S WHY WE WORK WITH 'EM TO PROVIDE BOTH OPTIONS.
AND, AND SO THE CURRENTLY WASHINGTON AVENUE, DO YOU KNOW THE ELEVATION OF WASHINGTON AVENUE EITHER IN NGVD OR NAVD? I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER.
IT'S GOING TO 6.5 NGVD, IT'S GOING TO 6.5 BECAUSE THE CURRENT FINISH FLOOR IS BETWEEN 4.5 AND 5.5, DEPENDING ON THE POINT.
SO I WOULD ESTIMATE AROUND THERE.
AND THE CURRENT ROAD IS, YOU SAID IT'S GOING TO 6.5 AND WHAT IS IT CURRENTLY? I MEAN, IF THE BUILDING'S AT 4.5, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA MISSPEAK.
THE DYNAMIC WORLD THAT WE'RE IN.
SO, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
YOU MENTIONED THE, UH, DETAILS ON HADDEN HALL THAT YOU WERE, UH, THE EXTERIOR DETAILS OF WHAT YOU'RE PRESERVING.
WHAT IS, UM, WHAT'S MISSING? UH, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S MISSING OR ARE YOU ONLY, UM, UH, LIKE CLEANING UP AND, AND, AND PRESERVING THINGS THAT ALREADY EXIST? WE'RE ESSENTIALLY CLEANING UP AND PRESERVING, UM, A NEW FINISH.
JUST, UH, TO CLEAN UP MATERIAL.
THE EXISTING, UM, UH, TERRAZZO, UH, TERRACE IS REMAINING THE, THE EXISTING TERRA OF STAIRS, THE, THE RAILINGS, UH, PRESERVING THE ORIGINAL FOUNTAIN THAT'S STILL ON, ON PROPERTY.
UM, THERE'S SOME NON HISTORIC TILE WORK ALREADY IN THERE.
WE LOOK TO BER MOVE THOSE AND REPLACE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, UH, WE ARE PAINTING SOME, SOME KEY UNDERSIDES OF THE, UH, UH, THE UNDERSIDES OF THE EYEBROW.
UH, WE HAVE A KIND OF A, A WARM PINK, UH, THAT WE PULLED OUT OF SOME ADJACENT BUILDING, UH, UH, STREAMLINED MODERNA PROPERTIES.
AND I, I NOTICED ON PAGE 14 OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCES REPORT, AND IN YOUR DRAWINGS THAT YOU SHOW, UM, A KIND OF X IN THE, IN THE LOBBY OF THE, THE TERRAZZO, YOU SHOW A COUP, I THINK THERE ARE THREE XS.
AS PART OF THE TERRAZZO YOU'RE GONNA BE REMOVING.
UM, PART OF ALL BUT ONE, I THINK, AND I WAS WONDERING, CAN YOU SHOW THE PLAN AGAIN? YOU HAD IT, WHAT'S THERE NOW? WHAT'S COMING UP? SO, AND ACTUALLY, I, I DIDN'T TOUCH ON IT, UH, BUT THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF OR REQUEST FROM STAFF TO, UM, UH, TO ADJUST SOME OF THE, THE OPENINGS.
UH, ACTUALLY THIS ONE, THAT ONE'S ACTUALLY PERFECT.
UM, AND, AND SO, UM, AS WE ARE, WE WERE ADJUSTING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE, THE GRAND LOBBY.
UM, WE WERE SHIFTING THE OPENING TO THE NORTH WING.
UM, BUT AT, AT, AT, AT STAFF REQUEST, WE WERE LOOKING TO STUDY, RELOCATING THAT BACK TO, TO THE ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL ACCESS POINT, WHICH WOULD NOT REQUIRE US TO, TO, TO LOSE THOSE, THOSE XS THAT ARE IN THE, IN THE FLOOR PATTERN.
AND WAS THERE ANY WAY ON THE SOUTH SIDE TO MAINTAIN SOMEHOW, AT LEAST THE XS THAT ARE STILL IN THE CORRIDOR? I MEAN, YOU JUST ELIMINATE ALL OF THEM, UM, BEHIND THE RECEPTION CONCIERGE AND THE LUGGAGE, UH, DROP OFF.
BUT YOU, THERE SEEMS TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP AT LEAST A REMNANT OF THE, OF THE, OF THE TERRA GOING FURTHER TO THE SOUTH, UM, TO THAT LITTLE STAIRWAY, UH, THAN JUST ELIMINATING ALL OF THAT.
THERE, THERE, THE STAIRWAY, UH, OBVIOUSLY WILL BE REMOVED AS WE'RE LOWERING THE FLOOR LINE.
BUT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OPERATIONALLY TRYING TO EN ENSURE WE HAVE, UH, A GOOD FLOW FOR LUGGAGE AND EVERYTHING, WE, WE, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE REDUCTION OF THE CORRIDOR.
UM, I WASN'T SAYING TO MOVE THE WALLS, I WAS SAYING CONTINUE TO KEEP THE TERRAZA, THE ORIGINAL TERRA FLOWING UNDERNEATH THE, UH, IT WOULD FLOW UNDERNEATH THE, THE LUGGAGE UNDER UNDERST.
AND GO DOWN TO, I THINK THERE'S, YEAH, I THINK WE COULD WORK THROUGH SOME SOLUTIONS THAT,
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UH, THAT MAINTAIN THAT, THAT THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT TO RESPECT THEIR, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE NOT CHANGING LEVELS OF ANYTHING 'CAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY KEEPING ONE.I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN WORK TO, WE CAN WORK TO ACCOMMODATE THAT FOR SURE.
I HAD A, I HAD A, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH MY, MY LITTLE THINGS.
UM, LET'S SEE, THE ROOFTOP, UH, SO THE ROOFTOP ADDITION, YOU'VE, YOU'RE USING IT FOR HOW MANY UNITS? UM, ARE THERE ANY UNDERSIZED UNITS UP THERE? LIKE, IT'S ABOUT I THINK NINE IF I COUNT CORRECTLY.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER OFF, BUT YEAH.
NINE, NINE UNITS AND NONE OF THEM ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE UNDERSIZED.
UM, WELL, THEY'RE ALL 350, LIKE YOU SAID, THREE 50 SQUARE FEET.
ARE THESE, SOME OF THESE ARE THESE, SOME OF THESE FALL BELOW THAT 300 AND THESE ARE MAINTAINING CLOSER TO THE, THE, THE KIND OF THE HISTORIC ROOM SIZES.
UM, AND SO, AND NONE OF THEM HAVE BALCONIES AND NONE OF THEM, CAN YOU GO? WELL, THE, THE, THE, THE ONE OF THE FAR, A FAR, UH, THAT ONE HAS THE, YEAH, THAT IS A LIVABLE SIZE TERRACE.
UM, OH, THAT'S A PRIVATE TERRACE ON THAT SIDE.
IT'S PART OF THE PRESIDENTIAL.
UH, SO YOU DO HAVE SOME SMALLER UNITS THAN, AND YOU HAVE A MIXTURE OF SMALLER UNITS AND LARGER UNITS.
SOME OF THE, UH, UNITS IN THE HADDEN HALL ARE, ARE CLOSER TO THE HISTORIC SIZE.
UH, THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE NEWER TOWER ARE ALL, ALL INCREASING THE SIZE.
UH, BUT WE, AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PLANS, WE HAVE, UH, COMBINED SOME TO MAKE LARGER UNITS, UM, EVEN IN THE, IN THE HADN HOME.
UM, NOW, UH, I, IT SEEMS, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, UM, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT SIGNAGE AND BRANDING ON THE, ON THE NEW TOWER? I, UH, ARE YOU, YOU'RE, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE KEEPING THE HADDEN HALL, THE ORIGINAL NAME.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA BE THE NAME OF, OF THE WHOLE HOTEL.
UM, BUT ON THE WASHINGTON AVENUE SIDE, YOU, I JUST NOTICED ON, IN ONE OF THE RENDERINGS, YOU JUST HAD THE WORD SIGN
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, UH, THERE'S A, A LONG PROCESS TO GETTING ALL OF THE, THE, YEAH, THE CONCEPTS FOR THE, THE RETAIL AND THE RESTAURANT.
UH, THOSE ARE YET TO BE, YET TO BE DETERMINED.
SO, UH, THE, THE SIGNAGE STILL OBVIOUSLY IN THE, IN THE BRANDING, WE'LL HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW.
UM, WHERE WOULD IT GO ON, ON A FACADE LIKE THIS? WELL, THE, HISTORICALLY THIS FACADE, THESE, THE SIGN BOARD IS, THAT IS THE KIND OF LARGE RECTANGULAR.
AND SO AT LEAST ON THE, ON THE, CAN YOU POINT TO IT, UM, ON THE RIGHT PART OF THE BUILDING? YEAH, THERE'S THAT.
UM, THAT WOULD BE THE HOTEL, THE HOTEL SIGN, THIS, THE RETAIL.
IS THIS THE RETAIL, THE RESTAURANT? THAT'S THE RETAIL IS RETAIL.
UH, ADJACENT TO THAT IS THE, UH, COFFEE SHOP CAFE, AND THEN THE RESTAURANT, WHICH IS RE, WHICH IS THE MAIN BODY OF THAT.
AND THEN THE LAST WILL BE, UH, THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL HOTEL SIGNAGE THERE TO HELP WAY FIND AND ACTIVATE THAT FACADE.
BUT NOTHING ON THE, NOTHING ON THE, UH, THE ABOVE, ON THE PORTION ABOVE THAT YOU CAN CONCEIVE.
I THINK THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED.
WELL,
JUST MAKING SURE THAT THEY IN THE TEAM COME BACK TO US ANYWAY.
I WAS, SOMETIMES THESE THINGS HAVE A NATURAL PLACE FOR THEM.
IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THERE WAS ONE IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE.
BUT THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SIGN LOCATION, OF COURSE, FOR THE RETAIL AND THINGS LIKE THIS.
IN GENERAL, WE WOULD LOOK TO MAINTAIN LOCATION WITHIN THE, THE HISTORIC SIGN SIGN AND THE COMPTON AND THE CAPTAIN.
UM, WOULD THERE BE ANY SIGNAGE FOR THE SPA ON, ON WASHINGTON, OR WOULD THAT JUST BE A KIND OF REALLY PRIVATE THERE, THERE, THERE WILL BE.
WE CERTAINLY WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S, UH, ADVERTISED TO THE PUBLIC.
WE DO SHOW A LOGO ON THE, ON THE GATE.
UM, THERE WITH, AH, WITH THE, THE NAME OF IT IS STILL OKAY, UH, UH, CONFIDENTIAL IN A SENSE, BUT THE, YEAH, THERE WILL BE SIGNAGE THERE AT THAT, AT THAT GATEWAY SO PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND, AND IT'S IDENTIFIED AS SOMETHING SEPARATE FROM THE HOTEL.
AND, AND CAN YOU ONE, JUST, UM, I SEE YOU SEE IN THIS IMAGE, THE, THE COLUMN COMING DOWN INTO THE, UH, INTO THE TREE, YOUR PLANS TEND TO CUT OFF.
UM, THE PLAN PLANS TO DETAIL THAT WITH THAT COLUMN, WITH THE, UM, THAT COLUMN IN THE FIRST OR SECOND FLOOR, IN SECOND FLOOR PLAN, MOSTLY, UH, KIND OF CUT OFF IN A WAY THAT'S NOT, YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO SEE HOW THE TREE IS EXACTLY ALIGNING WITH IT OR NOT.
SO IS THERE, THEY CERTAINLY, IS THERE A DRAWING THAT YOU CAN SHOW INSTEAD OF YOU JUST NOT TELLING ME THAT IT'S GONNA BE BASICALLY WE CAN YEAH.
WHETHER WE HAVE IT ON ONE OF THE VIEWS, BUT THEY DO, IT CERTAINLY DOES OVERLAP.
UM, THAT, THAT CANOPY AND THE, AND THE COLUMN LOCATION DO OVERLAP.
UM, AND SO OBVIOUSLY WE'LL BE WORKING WITH AN ARBORIST AND I WILL, I WILL POINT OUT THAT THAT IS A NON-STRUCTURAL COLUMN.
IT'S REALLY, IT'S A DECORATIVE COLUMN, RIGHT.
UM, SO IT WILL NOT HAVE PEERS THAT ARE SUPPORTING.
IT'S REALLY A CANTILEVER ABOVE.
UM, AND I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY WORK WITH STRUCTURE TO WHETHER THAT TO MINIMIZE A PIER THAT'S GOING DOWN IN THROUGH THAT CANOPY, BUT
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AS WELL, WORKING WITH AN ARBORIST TO ONE PREP THE TREE, PROTECT THE TREE FOR THE, THE, WHERE'S THE CORE OF THE TREE IN THAT DRAWING? CAN YOU POINT YOUR THING? IS THAT IT THERE? YEAH, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CENTER POINT OF THE TREE.AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT COLUMN WHICH IS, IS OVER.
IT'S NOT DIRECTLY AND IT'S, UH, UH, DIRECT ROOT BALL.
BUT LIKE I SAID, UH, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH AN ARBORIST, IT'S IN OF OUR UTMOST INTEREST TO PRESERVE THE TREE.
THOSE WERE, THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS.
UM, AND DO THE CHAIR YES, PLEASE.
YEAH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE CURRENT, UH, GRADE IS FOUR AND A HALF, 4.5, 4.5 FEET BEAT THE CURRENT CROWN OF ROAD, CORRECT? THAT'S NGBD OR NBD? NGBD.
AND GVD IS SIX AND A HALF FEET AND IT'S GOING GO UP TWO FEET.
SO TWO FEET WOULD BE, AND YOU'RE ASSUMING YOUR STAIRS ARE, ARE SIX OR SIX INCHES? YES, CORRECT.
SO, OKAY, SO IT GOES UP FOUR STAIRS, FOUR STEPS.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT DRAWING? YES.
THE RENDERING, SO THAT'S FOUR STEPS.
SO FOUR STEPS IS ONE, COUNT THEM 1, 2, 3, 4.
SO THERE SHOULD BE THREE, FOUR STEPS ABOVE THAT.
AND YOU SHOW TWO STEPS ABOVE IT.
SO I'M, WELL, WHAT'S GONNA ACTUALLY HAPPEN IS NOW WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING, IT'S GOING TO BE, THERE ARE GONNA BE FOUR STEPS LEFT, NOT TWO.
WE ALSO, WE CAN MAKE UP SOME OF THAT WITH GRADE CHANGES.
WE RAMP TOWARDS THE, FOR THAT HEIGHT, BUT WE CAN SOMETHING WE CAN STILL, WELL, THAT'S KIND OF A LONG, BIG RAMP.
I MEAN, IF, IF THE ROAD IS, IF THE CROWN OF ROAD IS COMING UP TWO FEET, WE ALREADY HAVE A RAMP.
SORRY, YOU'RE SHOWING IT GOING UP THREE, YOU'RE SHOWING UP, GOING UP THREE FEET ON YOUR, IT SEEMS LIKE A, IT SEEMED, I THINK TO LINDSAY'S POINT, IT SEEMED THE RENDERING MADE IT SEEM LIKE IT'S REALLY GOING A LOT AND IT'S NOT GOING QUITE THAT MUCH.
I THINK BASED ON YOUR, THE INFORMATION, WHICH SOUNDS, WHICH SOUNDS RIGHT.
SO, SO MY QUESTION, UH, I WANNA GO BACK TO THIS BECAUSE I WAS KINDA LOOKING AT THE PRACTICAL IMPLICATIONS OF THIS.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU'RE BUILDING THIS BUILDING WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU KNOW IT, YOU KNOW, THE CROWN OF THE ROAD IS COMING UP, YOU'RE TRYING TO FUTURE PROOF IT.
UM, BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, I, I'M LOOKING AT THIS.
SO AS THE STAIRS STAND RIGHT NOW, I'M LOOKING AT, UH, A OH SIX FOUR AGAIN.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE WHERE THIS FROM WHERE THE STAIRS END TO, I GUESS THE FRONT WALL, IF YOU WILL, OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, YOU'VE GOT A SIX FOOT CLEARANCE.
IS THAT RIGHT? AM I READING THAT ACCURATELY? THE, I'M LOOKING AT A OH SIX FOUR, THE FRONT PORCH.
SO FROM THE TOP OF THE YEAH, SO THE CORRECT.
SO THE CLEARANCE ON THE PORCH IS SIX FEET.
SO IF THEY WERE, WHICH I THINK WAS WHAT HASKELL WAS SUGGESTING TO PUSH IT BACK IN ORDER TO GET THAT SAME RISE, YOU'RE LOSING THAT SIX FOOT CLEARANCE, YOU KNOW, PERMANENTLY VERSUS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
WHICH, AND, AND YOU GUYS, YOU'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH PUBLIC WORKS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THIS PUBLIC WORKS BOUGHT INTO THIS SMALL ENCROACHMENT FOR THE SHORT PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL THE ROAD IS RAISED? CORRECT.
AND, AND ORIGINALLY WE WERE PROPOSING MUCH LARGER RAMPS AND STEPS BETWEEN EACH OF THE DOWN COLUMNS FROM THE FRAMING THAT WERE RECON RECREATING.
UM, SO THIS WAS THE COMPROMISE TO MINIMIZE THE STEPS TO TWO OR THREE MAIN ENTRANCE POINT.
UM, YEAH, YOU CAN SEE THE RAMP AT THE SOUTH.
AND SO, AND SO THAT, I MEAN, IN EFFECT FROM A LONG-TERM PERSPECTIVE, MAINTAINS THAT SIX FOOT CLEARANCE ON THE PORCH, WHICH YOU NEED TO PASS PEOPLE THROUGH OR PUT CORRECT, YOU KNOW, SEATING OR WAITERS OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER'S GONNA BE HAPPENING.
AND SORT OF ACTIVATION ON THAT PORCH SPACE, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED THAT, THAT THROUGHPUT.
AND YOU'VE GOT, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THIS, RIGHT? I WAS TRYING TO READ THIS.
EVIDENTLY, I'M, IT'S ABOUT TIME FOR ME TO GET GLASSES.
UM, IS IT, AM I READING THIS RIGHT? IT'S 12 FOOT SEVEN FROM THE EDGE OF THE CURB TO THE EDGE OF THE FIRST STAIR STEP.
AM I READING THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.
EDGE OF CURB TO THE FIRST STEP IS FOUR SEVEN.
SO, AND THEN THE CLEARANCE IS SIX FEET, AND THEN THE EDGE OF THE STEP TO THE WALL IS NINE FEET.
SO THERE'S, IT LOOKS CONDENSED ON OUR PLANS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE THERE THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE STAIRS.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE WAY IT'S SHOWN RIGHT NOW WITH THE ELEVATIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S HOW IT'S GONNA BE IN PROPOSED CONDITION, IN ULTIMATE CONDITION.
WHEN YOU BUILT IT, YOU, TO ME, THE WAY I LOOK AT THIS IS YOU'RE BUILDING, WHAT, 250,000 SQUARE FEET OR SO AND WE'RE HERE PINCHING INCHES.
WHY NOT START FROM THE PROPERTY LINE INWARD? WHY ARE WE BRINGING A
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PROJECT BEFORE US THAT ENCROACHES ONTO THE PROPERTY LINE BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE? I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE BUILDING SO MUCH, WHY DO WE HAVE TO CRAM SO MUCH WITH THREE FOOT SETBACKS? WE'LL PUSH THE, I DON'T GET IT.WE CAN, WE CAN WORK TO PUSH THE STEPS BACK AND WE CAN DO SOME REVISIONS ON THAT.
WE CAN MAKE SOME REVISIONS TO PUSH THE STEPS BACK.
OH, SO YOU'LL MAKE, YOU'LL MAKE IT SO THE STAIRS DO NOT ENCROACH THE OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.
WE WON'T NEED A REVOCABLE PERMIT.
WE'LL PUSH THE EXACTLY BACK SO PEOPLE TOTALLY WITHIN OUR PROPERTY.
JUST OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, YOU, WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU DO THAT? KIND OF PUSH IT IN THE, IN THE CENTER SOMEPLACE, A COUPLE FEET IN THE CENTER OR? I THINK WE, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT MORE.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR A GUARANTEE, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT BETTER THAN ANYBODY AND IT'S HUGE.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE HISTORIC RIGHT.
UM, BUT TO MAKE UP A DIFFERENCE WITHIN THERE, I THINK IT WOULD BE WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE, THE PORCH AND THE, THE EDGE OF THE, THE RESTAURANT.
NOT NECESSARILY IN THE FULL BUILDING.
SO IT WOULD BE THE INTENTION THAT YOU JUST PROPOSED WAS TO BRING THE, THE BUILDING.
SO THE, SO THAT NO PART OF THE BUILDING, THE STAIR OR THE HANDRAIL COMES, IS, IS, IS PRO IS ON CORRECT.
IS OFF, OFF THE PROPERTY LINE? CORRECT.
YEAH, I, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING.
I MAY BE COMING OFF AS A BIT OF RACIST, UH, BUT THIS HAS HAPPENED TIME AND TIME AGAIN SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD THAT I SEE PEOPLE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION.
YOU HAVE AN ENVELOPE WITHIN WHICH YOU CAN BUILD, BUILD WITHIN THAT ENVELOPE.
DON'T COME IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD AND TRY TO GET, GAIN A FEW MORE INCHES HERE AND A FEW MORE FEET HERE BEYOND YOUR PROPERTY LINE.
YOU HAVE ENOUGH OF A PROPERTY TO WORK WITH 250,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND I'M SITTING HERE ARGUING WITH YOU OVER INCHES FOR STEPS.
WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND OUR TIME THIS WAY.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE, I MEAN, I MEAN, THERE'S NO VARIANCE APPLIED FOR HERE.
SO TO ME, UM, WHATEVER WE THINK IS AN ENCROACHMENT MUST NOT BE, OR IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A VARIANCE, A REVOCABLE PERMIT.
IT'S A, I I MEAN I CAN HEAR IT FROM THE AUDIENCE, SO I'LL SAY IT.
IT'S A REVOCABLE PERMIT FROM PUBLIC WORKS THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO APPLY FOR.
AND IF PUBLIC WORKS DIDN'T GRANT IT, THEN THEY COULDN'T DO IT.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T NEED TO SEEK A VARIANCE, I GUESS IS THE POINT, IS WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING.
IF THE DESIGN REQUIRES IT, IT'S A REVOCABLE PERMIT APPROVED BY CITY COMMISSION.
I'M GETTING LOTS OF HEAD NODS.
THE CITY COMMISSION HAS TO APPROVE ANYTHING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE REVOCABLE PERMIT.
SO IF PUBLIC WORKS, AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE WORKED WITH PUBLIC WORKS AT THE BEGINNING, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD KEEP THE HISTORIC FABRIC IN THE HISTORIC LOCATION WITH THE RECONSTRUCTION, KEEPING IT AS CLOSE TO A RECONSTRUCTION AS POSSIBLE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE, THAT WAS OUR STARTING POINT, WORKING BACKWARDS RATHER THAN STARTING FROM PROPERTY LINE WORKING IN.
UM, BUT I, I, I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
UH, KEEPING THE STAIRS WITHIN THE PROPERTY LINE AND WORKING WITH STAFF AND PUBLIC WORKS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S MINIMAL ENCROACHMENT INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, JUST SPEAKING ABOUT THE WASHINGTON AVENUE SIDE, I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE TERRA.
I NOTICED IN THE HISTORIC, UM, RESOURCES REPORT, THERE WAS SOME, THERE WAS SOME DETAIL IN THE OF TERRA DETAIL.
IS ANY OF THAT GOING TO BE KEPT AS A KIND OF MEMORY OF THIS PAST OR IS IT JUST ALL, ALL GONE? WE, WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, I HAVE DISCUSSED IT
UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY A JAPANESE, UM, UH, ART FORM CALLED KINTSUGI, WHICH IS THE IDEA OF BROKEN POTTERY BEING RETCHED TOGETHER.
AND SO, UM, THIS IDEA OF BEING PERFECTLY IMPERFECT IS ALSO, UH, THE, THE BRAND THAT'S NOT BEING NAMED ON THIS IS ALSO VERY INTERESTED IN, IN THAT IDEA.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE EFFORT TO MAINTAIN OR RETAIN SOME OF THOSE PIECES AND TO KIND OF RECONSTITUTE THOSE INTO A NEW AND BEAUTIFUL COMPOSITION IS SOMETHING WE'RE VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN DOING.
CAN WE, UH, WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO PUTTING THAT INTO THE, INTO THE ORDER THAT THEY WOULD, THAT THE, THOSE TERRA BITS THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'LL EVENTUALLY BE TAKING OUT WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT? INTO THE, WHERE THEY ARE? I MEAN, INTO THE, INTO THAT WALKWAY AREA? LET'S, YEAH.
WE, WE ARE, WE'RE DEFINITELY, UH, OPEN TO DOING THAT.
I MEANT JUST FURTHER, FURTHER ON THE TERRA QUESTION.
UM, SO I GUESS WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE TERRAZZO THAT, THAT WHEN WE WALK THE PROPERTY WILL BE KEPT IN WHICH, OR WHICH SECTIONS ARE, ARE GOING TO BE REMOVED? UM, EVERYTHING FROM THE ORIGINAL HADDEN HALL, UH, TERRACE AND INTERIOR WILL BE RETAINED.
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HADDEN HALL WILL BE RETAINED.AND, AND THEN A QUESTION ON THAT, WHO IS YOUR TERRAZZO RESTORATION CONSULTANT ON THAT, DO YOU THINK? THAT HAS NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED.
UH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I, LIKE, I DID WALK IT AND THERE ARE SOME SECTIONS THAT ARE PRETTY, PRETTY ROUGH AND SOMETIMES YOU GO INTO A PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, LIKE LET'S SAY AT SO HOUSE THEY DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB AND THEN AT SOME OTHER PLACES THEY DON'T DO SUCH A GOOD JOB.
AND SO I ALWAYS WONDER, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S LIKE, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS ONE? IS IT REALLY THAT IT WAS, IS IT DEGRADATION OR IS IT JUST MAKING SURE YOU HIRE THE RIGHT PERSON TO, TO GET THAT DONE? NOT A, NOT A SPECIALIST ON, UH, RESTORING TERRAZZO.
I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO THE SKILL AND CRAFT, BUT, UM, 'CAUSE I DO NOTICE A WIDE RANGE IN SOUTH FLORIDA OF, OF TERRAZZO WHEN IT'S RESTORED.
UM, WE'LL HAVE TO AS WE GET THE, THE CONSULTANT ON BOARD.
JUST, I HAVE AN STORE PRESERVATION CONSULTANT.
WE FAMILIAR WITH, UH, QUALIFIED.
OH, ON THE MIC YOU'RE SPEAKING THE MIC.
UH, WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH QUALIFIED TERRA CONSULTANTS.
THEY'VE DONE WORKFORCE AT THE HAMPTON HOUSE IN, IN MIAMI.
SO WE HAVE FOLKS THAT WE, THE THE HAMPTON HOUSE IN ALLA? YEAH.
YEAH, WE RESTORED THE TERRA WITH, YEAH, IT'S A VERY JOB, WHICH IS REALLY DEGRADED THERE, SO.
UM, ON THE QUESTION OF, I'M NOW MOVING TO, UH, THE STATUE AT, I GUESS THAT'S IN THE, IN THE FOUNTAIN.
UH, AGAIN, IT'S NOT ON THE RENDERING.
I KNOW THE RENDERINGS AREN'T ACCURATE, IS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE STATUE.
THE STATUE WILL BE MAINTAINED, UH, AS A HISTORIC ELEMENT THAT IS EXISTING IN THE, FROM THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER, THERE'S A COMMENT IN THE STAFF REPORT, SO MAYBE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, FOR EITHER PARTY, BUT IT JUST SAYS THAT THE, ALONG THE GROUND LEVEL, NORTH AND SOUTH EX EXTERIOR COURTYARD ELEVATIONS FACING THE ENTRY TERRACE TO THE HOTEL, SEVERAL OF THE EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS ARE PROPOSED TO BE EXPANDED TOWARD THE GROUND TO CREATE LARGER WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS.
SO I WAS JUST HOPING THAT WE COULD JUST SEE WHERE THAT IS.
I'M NOT SURE THAT I QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CHANGES THERE.
WHERE THE CAFE, THAT'S THE DIXON CAFE AREA? CORRECT.
SO BASICALLY TO PROVIDE MORE LIGHT TO THE WELL, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, I DON'T SEE IT THERE.
IT'S, YEAH, BUT I JUST SHARE THE SCREEN.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE WINDOWS THROUGH THE SAME RIGHT.
IT, IF WE COULD SHARE THE SCREEN.
IT'S JUST, IT'S TWO TWO ENTRY DOOR OR ONE'S AN ENTRY DOOR FOR THE DIXON CAFE TO, TO ACCESS FROM, UH, COLLEAGUES.
CAN, DO YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT? CAN YOU SHARE THE SCREEN PLEASE? IF WE CAN SHARE THE SCREEN? PJ DO YOU MIND PULLING? THANK YOU.
SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE, RIGHT THERE IN THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE THERE, THERE'S A, A PAIR OF DOUBLE DOORS AS THIS NEW, UH, FLOOR ELEVATION TO, IT'S BEING ADDED TO, TO CREATE AN A DA COMPLIANCE SPACE.
UM, WE HAVE ADDED A PAIR OF DOORS THERE SO THAT THIS CAN BE ACCESSED FROM PUBLIC.
IT'S NOT JUST AN INTERIOR HOTEL ENTRANCE.
SO THE WINDOW BECOMES A DOOR BASICALLY.
SO WE ENLARGE THAT OPENING DOWN TO THE, TO THE FLOOR.
AND THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE, DIRECTLY OPPOSITE OF THAT, UM, THE, THE WINDOW THERE, UM, UH, WAS OPENED UP FOR, UH, EGRESS FOR THE BALLROOM ENTRANCE.
BALLROOM ENTRANCE IS THROUGH THE INTERIOR.
WHAT QUESTION? YES, GO FOR IT.
I, I WANTED, IT WAS BACK TO THE TERRAZZO.
SO WHEN JOHN OR BRIAN OR JUAN ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE TERRAZZO, I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WASHINGTON SIDE, BUT THEN IT SEEMED LIKE WE LAUNCHED INTO THE OTHER SIDE.
SO I, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT REPLICATION.
AND I MENTIONED THIS, I DID A SITE VISIT.
SO I MENTIONED LIKE THE MEN'S SHOP, YOU KNOW, THE, NOT NECESSARILY THAT ONE, BUT THE ENTRANCES TO EACH OF THOSE LITTLE, LIKE STOREFRONTS.
IS THAT GONNA BE A NOD? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR FOR ME.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO RE MAINTAIN.
IT HAS TO BE BROKEN UP TO, TO ELEVATE, BUT TO SALVAGE IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
TO RECON TURN IT INTO A NEW COMPOSITION.
I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.
UM, SO IF THERE'S NO MORE, IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, I THINK WE GO RIGHT TO BOARD DISCLOSURES.
AND YOU GUYS ALREADY DID SOME OF IT, IT SOUNDED LIKE, UM, BY INFERENCE.
LAST WEEK I HAD A FULL HOUR TOUR OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AND I WAS AMAZED AT HOW WELL YOU'VE TAKEN ALL THESE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES AND PUT THEM TOGETHER INTO AN ASSEMBLAGE.
RAY HASKELL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO, NO.
NO, I MEAN, I JUST HAVE TO DISCLOSE THAT I MET WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, YESTERDAY AND THE ATTORNEY, UM, WE'RE JUST DOING DISCLOSURES, RIGHT? YEAH, JUST DISCLOSURES.
AND I HAVE NONE, BUT LINDSAY, YEAH.
SO I MET WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, YEAH.
YES, I DID MEET WITH THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY BACK IN NOVEMBER.
WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR A WHILE.
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ALRIGHT.UH, SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE WILL OPEN IT TO PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT.
UM, ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE PLEASE COME FORWARD.
MITCH, ARE YOU WANTING TO COMMENT
UH, THANKS FOR RECOGNIZING ME.
WE MUST HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING TELEPATHICALLY, UH, MITCH NOVA KNOW WHEN I, I THINK WE LOST YOU, MITCH.
MITCH, WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH YOUR AUDIO, SO, UM, MAYBE MOVE ON TO ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC.
WE HAVE A BIG TEAM AND THEN THERE'S GRAHAM.
I THINK WE'RE, I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE.
UH, WELL IF MITCH COMES BACK, UM, MAYBE A WATCH FOR HIM.
UH, WE CAN, UM, DO THAT AND GO.
MITCH, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I'M BACK.
I'M IN A BASEMENT, UH, UH, IN THE, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, MITCH NOVIK.
I WON'T WALK AROUND, UH, IN PACING.
UH, DEBBIE, AGAIN, THANKS FOR RECOGNIZING ME.
WE MUST HAVE BEEN AND COMMUNICATING TELEPATHICALLY MITCH NOVIK 9 0 1 COLLINS AVENUE.
WHEN I MOVED TO MIAMI BEACH IN THE MID EIGHTIES, I LIVED AT BOTH THE GENEVA AND PARISIAN HOTEL, WHICH ABUTS THIS PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE.
I'M JUST WONDERING, UH, IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT.
I'M IMAGINE IT WILL BE POSITIVE ON THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, WHICH MY CHILDHOOD FRIEND STILL OWNS.
UH, AND, UH, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS ASSEMBLING.
UH, I, I THINK I COUNTED AROUND SEVEN LOTS IS UH, IS, IS QUITE A TASK IN THIS CITY.
AND, UH, I LIKE WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR.
I SEE NO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE, ON MITCH'S, LIKE QUESTION ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES? ANY, ANY OBSERVATIONS? I, I, I, I ASSUME IS THAT THE PROPERTY IMPROVES THE, UH, THE ADJACENCY WILL IMPROVE AS WELL? YES.
I THINK IT'S AN OVERALL INTENT TO ELEVATE THE AREA AND PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN WASHINGTON AND COLLINS, WHICH THERE IS NO MIDBLOCK CONNECTIVITY TODAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH THAT, WITH THAT WE CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND NOW IT'S, NOW IT'S, UH, NOT IT, IF YOU HAVE ANY LINGERING QUESTIONS, YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY ASK THOSE, BUT NOW IT'S JUST A BRIEF, UM, UH, COMMENT.
DO YOU WANNA ACTUALLY START? NO, I'LL START.
RAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UM, JUST, UM, WHEN I WAS THERE AND, AND TOURED THE PROPERTY, UM, MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS, WELL, LIKE, PARTICULARLY WITH THE, UH, HAYDEN HOUSE IS THERE'S A LOT OF NICE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THERE.
AND TODAY MOST EVERYBODY WANTS TO WHITEWASH THEIR BUILDING AND JUST THROW A LITTLE SPIT OF COLOR HERE AND THERE.
AND I WAS REALLY HOPING THAT MORE COLOR WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT ARE IN THAT BUILDING.
UM, AND THEY DID TALK ABOUT, UM, ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL COLOR TO THE EYEBROWS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE OTHER DETAIL, UM, BROUGHT OUT TO THAT END.
'CAUSE I JUST BECAUSE YOU REMINDED ME.
CAN WE SEE THE SAMPLES? CAN WE PASS THOSE AROUND? SORRY, I FORGOT THEY WERE THERE.
I MEAN, IT MIGHT EVEN BE HELPFUL IF THE ARCHITECT CAN TELL US WHERE THOSE ARE GONNA BE USED.
UH, OBVIOUSLY IS THERE A MOVING MIC? IS THERE A HANDHELD MIC? I CAN, I THINK I CAN, OH, YOU CAN DO IT FROM THERE.
I THINK I CAN DO IT FROM THERE.
UH, THE, OBVIOUSLY THE BREEZE BLOCK THERE IS IN THE FOREGROUND THAT'S, UH, LOOKING FOR THE, THE ELEMENTS ON THE, UH, ROOF SCREENING.
UM, THE, THE, UH, EPAY, UH, SAMPLE.
THERES, UH, FOR ROOF DECK, UH, ROOF DECK TERRACES.
UM, AND THEN ON THE, ON THE, ON THE BOARD ITSELF, UM, WE HAVE, UM, I THINK KIND OF FRONT AND CENTER, THE, UM, THE FLUTING DETAILS, THE, THE, THE, THE STUCCO FLUTING DETAILS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE ALSO, WE HAVE SOME IMAGES OF THE, UM,
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OH, STEVE, BRIAN WANTS RYANUH, WE ALSO HAVE SOME PHOTOS OF THE HISTORIC TERRAZZO THERE THAT AS USES SAMPLES THAT WE'LL BE, UH, CONTINUING TO OBVIOUSLY PRESERVE.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME, UH, MOSAIC, I THINK YOUR MOSAIC, UH, THAT'S, UH, ON THE WALKWAY THAT CONNECTS THE, UM, TWO, THE TWO BUILDINGS OR THE THREE BUILDINGS I SHOULD SAY.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU TELL US WHERE THE WALKWAY CONNECTS THE BUILDINGS ON THE, THIS PALLET WHERE YEAH, EXACTLY.
WHERE, WHERE ARE THOSE BEING USED, THOSE WALKWAYS WITH LIKE, THE KIND OF, UM, THE MOSAIC POINT SITE LOOKING? THE, THE MOSA? YEAH.
MAYBE THE MOSAIC WITH LIKE MOSA TRIANGLES MOSAIC.
THOSE, THOSE ARE ON THE, ON THE ELEVATED OR THE WALKWAY THAT CONNECTS ALL THROUGH THE BUILDINGS, THAT KIND OF SPINE.
OH, THAT CONNECTS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE BUILDING FROM WHAT, FROM FROM THE WEST? IT'S THAT, YEAH, IT'S THAT MAIN CIRCULATION.
UM, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE ON THERE? I CAN'T SEE THE PINK.
THE PINK IS OBVIOUSLY THE, YEAH, THAT'S THE PINK EYEBROWS.
UM, OF COURSE WE HAVE OUR, OUR, THE ALUMINUM, THE ALUMINUM WINDOW.
UH, THIS THE HISTORIC, UH, THEN, THEN IN THE NEW, UH, WASHINGTON BUILDING, WE HAVE THE BLACK, UM, THE, WE HAVE A DARKER KIND OF DARK BRONZE WINDOW ON THAT, UH, NEW BUILDING.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO ARE LOOKING TO UTILIZE TERRAZZO AS WE MOVE FORWARD AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN THE PLASTER, OBVIOUSLY FOR ANYTHING, FOR ANY OF THE NEW PLASTER WORK OR STUCCO.
WHAT WAS YOUR VISION FOR THE, THE FIREPLACE THAT'S ON THE, THAT'S IN THE, THE VERY GORGEOUS FIREPLACE IN THE WASHINGTON BUILDING.
AND THE ONE IN THE, IN THE CAMPTON APARTMENTS.
NO, THAT, THAT'S, EVERYTHING IN THAT LOBBY WILL BE PRESERVED AS, AS IS.
SO IT'LL JUST BE CLEANING, MAINTAINING, YEAH.
AND I AND WHERE ARE THOSE LITTLE BRICK, UM, THE BRICK ELEMENTS GOING? UH, THOSE ARE MOSAICS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO USE IN ON THE INTERIOR OF THE SPACE.
UM, THEY'RE NOT THE SMALL KIND OF REDDISH YEAH, THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE A, THERE'S A ROW OF THEM.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A MOSAIC TILE.
UM, WELL, LOOKING TO USE THOSE ON THE, UH, ELEVATED TERRACE ABOVE THE, UH, SOUTH OF THE RESTAURANT.
THOSE, NO, NOT THAT ONE THOUGH.
ONE THAT'S, IT LOOKS, IT'S LIKE, YEAH.
THAT'S SO ON THE, THE RESTAURANT TERRACE, UM, THAT FACES THE POOL DECK.
AND WE'RE IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH MR. BRESLIN'S CONDITION TO FURTHER EXPLORE, UH, COLOR MOMENTS, UH, WITHIN HADDEN HALL AND CAMPTON APARTMENTS.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THE FIREPLACE IN THE LOBBY OF THE CAMPTON.
THERE'S SOME VERY PRETTY GREEN AND PINK.
UM, AND WE'D LIKE TO PULL THAT, UH, AND BRING IT TO THE EXTERIOR AS WELL.
SO WE'RE IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
UM, SO HASKELL, DID YOU WANNA HAVE ANY, ANY COMMENTS, UH, FOR ANYBODY? IN GENERAL? I LIKE THE DESIGN.
I THINK IT'S, UH, IT COMPLIMENTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, CERTAINLY FROM WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
UH, BUT AS LONG AS WE MAINTAIN WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, I'M OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
BRIAN? UM, YEAH, I, I, UH, THINK THAT THE, THE PROJECT IS EXTREMELY THOUGHTFUL.
UM, IT'S, IT IS ASTONISHING HOW YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO COHESIVELY PUT ALL OF THESE, THESE LOTS TOGETHER AND THAT THEY ACTUALLY, I THINK THEY FLOW REALLY WELL.
YOU KNOW, HAVING WALKED IT, UM, YESTERDAY AND LOOK, I MEAN, FROM THE WASHINGTON AVENUE SIDE OF THINGS, IT'S A TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENT.
UM, I AM, I'M GLAD THAT THAT HASKELL ADDED, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CONDITION ON YOU GUYS THAT YOU GO TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY IN DESPERATE DIRE NEED OF ACTIVATION OF WASHINGTON AVENUE.
THIS IS A FANTASTIC PROJECT, UM, TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU DO SPAN THE TWO AVENUES.
UM, AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA REALLY ACTIVATE THAT LIKE LIFE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF NIGHTLIFE, UM, NOT NIGHTLIFE, BUT LIKE QUALITY OF LIFE, UM, IN THAT AREA WITH THE RESTAURANT, AND HOPEFULLY WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, SOUND RETAIL CHOICES.
UH, I ALSO LIKE HOW, JUST FROM LIKE A PROGRAMMATIC POINT OF VIEW, YOU HAVE THE SPA ENTRANCE ON THAT SIDE, WHICH I THINK IT KIND OF COMPLIMENTS THE, THE USES OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, ARCHITECTURALLY IT'S ANOTHER, I, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS, AGAIN, IT'S JUST VERY, VERY THOUGHTFUL.
I THINK THE ARCHITECTURAL KIND OF STREAMLINED MODERN MOTIF, MODERN REINTERPRETATION THAT YOU DID WAS, IS, IS REALLY LOVELY.
UH, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY WELCOME IN THAT, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I ALSO ECHO SOME CONCERN OR SOME A DESIRE, I WOULD SAY, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE DETAILS ARE PROPERLY EMPHASIZED.
THE COLOR, THE, YOU KNOW, THOSE CHEVRONS, ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT HAS,
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YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY DETAIL ORIENTED AND, AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE PROPERTY'S NOT IN THE BEST OF SHAPE RIGHT NOW, SO I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL BE THE MOMENT TO, TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS AND TO MAKE THAT EMPHASIS AND TO BRING IT BACK TO, TO ITS GLORY.UM, AND THEN I THINK, LOOK ON THE CALL-IN SIDE OF THINGS, I, I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE FROM WHAT I CAN TELL ON THE PLANS, I CAN'T REALLY SEE THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO IT, BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT THIS IS GONNA BE KIND OF A BOTANICAL GARDEN TYPE FEEL IN THE FRONT.
IT'S GONNA BE VERY LUSH, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL, UM, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THAT, THAT ENTRYWAY, UM, OF THE ARCHITECT.
AND I THINK IF YOU CAN KIND OF BRING THAT IN AND IT BECOMES REALLY, REALLY COHESIVE IN THAT SENSE, AND THERE'S A, YOU KIND OF ARE INSPIRED BY IT WHEN YOU WALK BY, THAT'S GONNA DO TREMENDOUS WONDERS TO BOTH COLLINS AND TO TO WASHINGTON ALONG 15TH STREET, WHICH IS A, IS AN AREA THAT NEEDS IT.
AND LITTLE BY LITTLE WE CAN KEEP BUILDING AND YOU GUYS CAN BE A MODEL FOR, FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, UH, THAT DO THIS RESPONSIBLY.
SO, UM, I'LL, I'LL ECHO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS.
UM, BUT I DID SAY THAT I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION, AND THIS IS REALLY MORE FOR PURPOSE DISCUSSION.
UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THIS AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE AND THIS AND THE OTHER.
AND NO ONE'S GONNA HOLD YOU TO THIS.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, LIKE, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE? LIKE, WHEN ARE THEY EXPECTING TO, WHEN ARE YOU GUYS EXPECTING TO HAVE THIS PROPERTY OPEN AND TO THE PUBLIC ISH TIME? 28, 3 YEARS.
AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT THE APPLICANT WAS WILLING TO MAKE THE CONCESSION AS FAR AS THE STEPS THAT MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS WANTED.
BUT WHAT I WANTED TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT, RIGHT, IS WE'RE LOOKING AT CONDITIONS THAT THEY STAND TODAY.
IN FIVE YEARS, THOSE CONDITIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO CHANGE.
THEY'RE TRYING TO FUTURE PROOF THIS BUILDING.
AND WE'VE ASKED THEM TO LIKE TO, TO MAKE CHANGES TO THIS.
AND THEY HAVE OBVIOUSLY THE WHEREWITHAL TO DO SO, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM AN OVERARCHING PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN THREE YEARS.
IT COULD BE THREE YEARS, IT COULD BE DONE.
AND THEN WE'RE NOT EVEN, WE'RE NOT EVEN DEALING WITH THIS.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN ENCROACHING INTO THE, UM, INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY AS WE WERE DISCUSSING.
SO I APPRECIATE THE CONCESSION, UM, AND THAT'S HELPFUL AND THAT GETS THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE AS A BOARD AND AS APPLICANTS, LIKE WE NEED TO BE, WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH EXISTING BUSINESSES THAT AREN'T IN THE PROCESS OF REBUILDING AND RENOVATING AND, YOU KNOW, RECONSTRUCTING HISTORIC BUILDINGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE STREETS HAVE ALL BEEN RAISED AROUND THEM AND THE SIDEWALKS ARE THREE FEET ABOVE THEM.
AND WHEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, HEAVY RAIN EVENTS OR WHEN WE HAVE, UM, OTHER ISSUES, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING DOWN INTO ALMOST A BASEMENT LEVEL TO GET INTO THESE BUILDINGS.
AND SO I APPLAUD, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WORKING WITH STAFF, THE FACT THAT WE'VE COME THROUGH AND WE'VE SAID THESE BUILDINGS ARE SITTING AT AN EXISTING LEVEL THAT IS NOT TENABLE IN GOING INTO THE FUTURE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT, RECONSTRUCT IT AND LIFT IT.
AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW, AS CONDITIONS EXIST, WE NEED TO EXTEND THIS MUCH INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY ON A, ON A 12 FOOT SIDEWALK WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT IN FIVE YEARS IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE SET BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND SO THOSE ARE JUST THE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
AND SO, LIKE I SAID, FULL CIRCLE, I APPRECIATE THE CONCESSION AND THAT MAKES THIS WORK.
AND, BUT THAT SAID, I THINK THAT WE DO NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS THAT IT'S A TEMPORARY, WHAT WAS IT? CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? NO, NO, NOT CUP, REVOCABLE, REVOCABLE PERMIT.
UM, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT THIS FROM LIKE A HOLISTIC PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE? AND THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING FROM A, FROM A CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE, THEY'RE NOT EVEN EXPECTING TO BE OPEN IN THREE YEARS.
AND I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA PUT THE BAD VIBES OUT INTO THE WORLD, BUT I KNOW HOW CONSTRUCTION WORKS AROUND HERE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I I, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE, WHICH I, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME.
SO I, I AM, YOU KNOW, VERY IMPRESSED BY THIS PROJECT.
I THINK, UH, IT'S, IT'S AN AMAZING ACHIEVEMENT AND I, UH, AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES' ASSESSMENTS.
AND I JUST HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION ALONG, IT'S A LITTLE BIT ALONG THE LINES OF THE TERRAZA PIECES, BUT IT'S MORE HOLISTIC BECAUSE YOU REALLY ARE TAKING OUT A LOT OF THE HISTORIC FABRIC YOU'RE TAKING.
THERE'S A LOT OF CONCRETE THAT'S GONNA BE MOVED IN.
THERE'S A LOT OF, AND I WAS WONDERING WHY, UM, UH, YOU HAD NOT SATISFIED THE RECYCLING AND SALVAGE PLAN FOR PARTIAL TO TOTAL DEMOLITION, AND WHETHER THERE WAS ANY, UM, ANY OPTION OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY SALVAGE OR RECYCLE, NOT YOU PERSONALLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WORK
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WITH SOMEBODY TO WORK WITH SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO, UM, TO NOT PUT THIS, NOT PUT THIS INTO LANDFILL.UM, AND, UH, IS THERE ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? CORRECT.
SO AS PART OF OUR PERMITTING, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A SALVAGE AND DEMO PLAN.
UH, THESE ARE CONCEPTUAL, BUT THAT IS THE INTENT IN THE EVENT, UM, CORRECT.
SO IT WILL BE, SO WE WILL HAVE SATISFIED THAT REQUIREMENT IN A FEE YEAR FROM NOW AFTER, AFTERWARDS.
BUT I WAS, IT, IT SEEMS SO SURPRISING GIVEN YOUR SENSITIVITY TO SO MANY OTHER DETAILS AND SO MANY OTHER, OTHER ISSUES THAT WE ADDRESS WITH HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
AND ALSO YOUR INTENTION TO HAVE THIS BE KIND OF A RESILIENT SPOT, ALMOST SEEMS LIKE IT'S WATER.
I DON'T, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY INTERIORS.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE WAITING TO KIND OF FIGURE THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT, UH, UH, THAT WILL HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH HEALTH AND, AND THE ENVIRONMENT AND OUR, OUR BODIES AND OUR, OUR WELLNESS.
SO, UM, YEAH, WITH THAT, I THANK YOU AND I'LL, I'LL, UM, SEE IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION OR, UH, TO, UH, A MOTION TO APPROVE.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO, UM, FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BE APPROVED, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND OUR THREE CONDITIONS.
BRIAN, IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT, UM, I WILL NOTE THAT WE HAVE ONE TYPO CORRECTION ON CONDITION ONE, UM, D ONE V, WHICH IS JUST TO SAY NO EQUIPMENT SHALL BE LOCATED ON THE ROOF OF THE ROOFTOP ADDITION.
UM, SO THAT WAS JUST A TYPO THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO CORRECT.
I ALSO HEARD, BRIAN, I DON'T KNOW IF PART OF YOUR MOTION IS THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO, UM, THAT THE STAIRS SHALL BE SET BACK SO THAT NO PART OF THE STAIRS OR RAILING IS WITHIN, WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, SO MAYBE ABOUT THE TERRA, UM, WASHINGTON PRESERVATION ON WASHINGTON AND, AND IN HALL, I GUESS TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE THAT THE TERRAZZO THAT IS REMOVED, UM, BE, UH, POTENTIALLY REPURPOSED CORRECT, UM, ON OTHER WALKWAYS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, UM, TO REPOPULATE ON THE PROPERTY.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO CONDITIONS REGARDING THE TERRAZZO WITHIN HADDEN HALL AND THE CAMPTON APARTMENTS.
I THINK IT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE FOR CONSISTENCY TO ADD SIMILAR LANGUAGE FOR WASHINGTON.
DO YOU SEE WHY I, SO THE ORIGINAL OH, RIGHT, THE, THE RETAILER.
SO WE HAVE IT, WE HAVE IT FOR MM-HMM.
IN OUR, IN THE DRAFT ORDER, WE HAVE IT FOR HADDEN HALL.
UM, IT'S D ONE A I, AND THEN FOR, UM, CAMPTON IT'S BI, WE CAN ADD WASHINGTON WITHOUT MAKING IT TOO COMPLICATED.
UM, MAYBE UNDER C CONDITION C WHERE, WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE DISCUSSING THE DETAILED MEASURE DRAWINGS OF THE WASHINGTON AVENUE FACADE MM-HMM
UM, AT A REQUIREMENT THAT THE ORIGINAL TERRAZA WILL BE, UH, STUDIED AND SALVAGED AND MM-HMM
THE APPLICANT AGREES TO A RECOMPOSITION OF IT.
I THINK WE CAN PUT TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE AND MAYBE REPURPOSED SOMEWHERE ELSEWHERE ON THE SITE.
AND THAT LOCATION MAKES SENSE TO ME AT LEAST.
AND THEN WE ALSO AGREE TO, UM, MR. BREEN'S COMMENT TO INCORPORATE ADDITIONAL COLOR THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT WOULD BE, IS THAT RAY, WAS THAT FOR THE, THE CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS AND THE EXTERIOR TO USE AN ACCENT COLOR TO HIGHLIGHT THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES? ACCENT COLOR? YES.
SO WE CAN SPLIT THAT INTO TWO CONDITIONS UNDER AI AND THEN BI, OR WE CAN ADD ONE CONDITION THAT ADDRESSES BOTH BUILDINGS.
ONE CONDITION, ONE CONDITION, YEAH.
I WOULD DO ONE CONDITION FOR THE CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS.
SO THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE FIX THE ONE TYPO IN D ONE V TO SAY ROOFTOP ADDITION.
UM, WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE STAIRS ON WASHINGTON AVENUE SHALL BE SET BACK SO THAT NO PORTION OF THEM ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, USED, UM, ACCENT COLORS TO ACCENT PAINT COLORS TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS.
AND THAT FOR THE WASHINGTON AVENUE, SINCE
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WE ALREADY HAVE THE TERRAZZO CONDITION AND THE OTHER TWO THAT, UM, THE TERRAZZO, UM, THEY SHALL PROVIDE DRAWINGS OF THE EXISTING TERRAZZO FLOORING AND SHALL BE RETAINED AND RESTORED TO THE GREAT EXTENT POSSIBLE, OR MAY BE REPURPOSED ELSEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY.UH, REGARDING THE LOADING, DID WE DISCUSS THAT AT ALL? DID WE HAVE ANY CONCLUSION OF THAT? SO THE LOADING, THE LOADING WAS ACTUALLY PART OF THEIR PLANNING BOARD ORDER.
SO ALL OF THE CONDITIONS THAT EMILY DISCUSSED, INCLUDING THE DOCK MASTER, IS PART OF THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THEIR PLANNING BOARD ORDER.
SO WE READY FOR THE ROLL CALL? ANY MORE DISCUSSION? OKAY.
THAT'S A BIG, THEY PROBABLY TURN THIS ON OFF.
OKAY, GUYS, WE DO HAVE ONE DISCUSSION ITEM REMAINING.
UM, YEAH, YOU GET PLACES WHERE, YEAH, IT'S A DIFFERENT SET THAT COULD BE DONE.
NEXT TIME I FORGOT ABOUT IT WHEN I WAS ORDERING MR. CHAIR, ARE YOU OKAY WITH ME? YES, PLEASE.
[6. HPB24-0626 a.k.a. HPB20-0379, 2901-2911 Indian Creek Dr. Update regarding property maintenance issues, fencing and the status of the building permit for the project. ]
OUR FINAL ITEM TODAY IS A DISCUSSION REGARDING, UM, A HPB FILE.ACTUALLY, IT'S HPB 24 0 6 2 6.
UM, THIS WAS A MODIFICATION, UH, THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD IN OCTOBER OF 2024 FOR 29 0 1 AND 29 11 INDIAN CREEK.
WITHIN THAT APPROVAL, THE BOARD ENTERED A CONDITION THAT REQUIRED THE APPLICANT TO RETURN TO THE BOARD, UM, WITHIN, I THINK IT WAS, I FORGET, UM, I THINK IT SAID THE FEBRUARY MEETING, UM, FOR AN UPDATE
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REGARDING, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ISSUES, FENCING, AND THE STATUS OF THE BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE PROJECT.SO WE DO HAVE, UM, MR. GRAHAM PENN WITH US TODAY REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO WILL GIVE US THE UPDATE.
AGAIN, MR. BRESLIN, I WOULD BE REMISS IN NOT WISHING YOU A HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
YOU'D HOLD IT AGAINST ME FOREVER.
I CAN TAKE YOU THROUGH BASICALLY THE UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE.
I'M ALSO JOINED IN CYBERSPACE BY BILL LTO, WHO'S THE PROJECT MANAGER, IN CASE ANY ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
SO, AS DEBBIE SAID, THIS IS GOING TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS OF HER PROPERTY.
SINCE THAT OCTOBER MEETING, WE'VE MADE SIGNIFICANT PROCESS PROGRESS, NOT PROCESS PROGRESS IN THE PERMITTING AS WELL AS THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK HOPEFULLY REPRESENTS THE FINAL SUBMITTALS FOR BOTH THE, FOR BOTH THE MASTER BUILDING PERMIT AND THE CONSTRUCTION FENCE OF THE, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION FENCE.
SO LET ME TAKE YOU THROUGH PERMITTING FIRST, AND THEN I'LL SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT OF UPDATE ON OUR CONDITION.
SO WHEN WE WERE, UH, HERE LAST, WE WERE BETWEEN REVIEW CYCLES OF THE MASTER BUILDING PERMIT.
SO WE LAST SUBMITTED IN, I MEAN, WE SUBMITTED AGAIN AFTER THE BOARD'S MEETING IN OCTOBER.
GOT COMMENTS BACK IN NOVEMBER, WE SUBMITTED IN DECEMBER.
WE GOT COMMENTS BACK IN JANUARY.
WE, UH, HAVE A, AS, AS LAWYERS LIKE TO SAY, WE HAVE A GOOD FAITH BELIEF THAT THIS IS THE END OF OUR, UH, OF OUR COMMENTS.
UM, SO THE TEAM IS CONFIDENT THAT HOPEFULLY THIS LAST SUBMITTAL, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR NEXT WEEK, WILL BE THE FINAL SUBMITTAL, THE MASTER BUILDING PERMIT, AFTER WHICH WE CAN MOVE FORWARD THE FENCING.
SIMILARLY, WE'VE GONE THROUGH TWO CYCLES OF REVIEW FILED IN DECEMBER, FILED AGAIN IN JANUARY, AND WE'RE NOW, HOPEFULLY THIS WEEK WE WILL HAVE THE FINAL VERSION OF THE FENCE.
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE PRODUCT OF, OF GOING BACK AND FORTH TO THE DEPARTMENT ABOUT DESIGN.
I HOPE THIS LOOKS FAMILIAR TO YOU, DEBIT HERE, UH, AND WHOEVER'S REVIEWED IT.
UH, BUT BASICALLY THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE LACK OF INTEREST IN THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT.
SO WE'VE ADDED THE NEW, KIND OF THE, THE PALM TREE ELEMENT, A DIFFERENT COLOR.
SO THAT IS WHAT WILL BE RESUBMITTED THIS WEEK.
SO, UH, DEMO, AS YOU KNOW, WE, WE, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF DEMOLITION ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.
WE ALSO HAVE, UM, SO THAT IS PER STAFF PENDING THE APPROVAL OF THE, OF THE MASTER BUILDING PERMIT.
SO ONCE THAT ISSUES, DEMOLITION WILL BEGIN.
NOW, PART OF THAT PROCESS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WILL INCLUDE RE RETAINING THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS OF THE 1930S BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO THAT WILL BE PART OF THE DEMOLITION, UH, CONDITION.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN, AND THIS HAS BEEN, I'M NOT GONNA, UH, PRETEND IT HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE.
THERE'S BEEN A, A TERRIBLE TIME TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THIS BUILDING, OUT OF THIS PROPERTY FOR A LONG TIME.
SO IT'S GONE UP AND DOWN WITH CONDITION, BUT THE, THE TEAM HAS GONE BACK AGAIN AND, UH, AND, UH, TAKEN OUT ALL THE GARBAGE AND RESECURED THE PROPERTY.
THESE ARE PHOTOS THAT WERE TAKEN ON FRIDAY.
SO JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THE UPDATE, THAT'S THE, THE, THE FENCE BEING, THIS AGAIN, WILL NOT BE THE, THE FINAL FENCE.
THIS IS THE CURRENT FENCE, BUT IT'S BEEN RE UH, RESTORED.
THIS IS A VIEW EAST LOOKING INTO THE PROPERTY FROM INDIAN CREEK.
UH, YOU CAN SEE AGAIN ALL THAT.
THERE WAS A BUNCH OF DETRITUS IN THERE FROM, UM, FROM THE HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT KEEP GETTING INTO THE PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT, CLOSE UP VIEW.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S ALL CLEANED OUT.
LOOK, LOOKING WEST, IN THE SAME VIEW, UH, ANY OF THAT JUNK THAT WAS THERE HAS BEEN REMOVED.
THEY'VE ALSO SPENT A LOT OF TIME AGAIN, RESE SECURING THE PROPERTY.
AND AGAIN, THAT BUILDING THAT THEY'RE RESE SECURING IS THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED.
SO WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF IT DURING THIS HOPEFULLY SHORT INTERIM BETWEEN TODAY, THE ISSUANCE OF THE MASTER, AND THEN THE ISSUANCE OF THE, OF, OF THE DEMOLITION DEPARTMENT.
UM, IF THE BOARD HAS ANY INTEREST IN US CONTINUING TO COME BACK AND UPDATE YOU, WE'LL GLADLY COME BACK AT YOUR LEISURE.
BUT, UM, WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
AND AGAIN, MR. LITOS ON ZOOM, IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT DETAILS, GO AHEAD.
REMIND ME AGAIN, GRAHAM, WHEN WERE YOU HERE BEFORE US? WHEN WE OCTOBER IMPOSE THE CONDITION? OCTOBER.
I MEAN, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING WORK, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A FENCE AS DESIRED.
I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE THE CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH THE BLACK MESH OVER IT.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT AGAIN, WE'RE WAITING FOR THE PERMIT TO ISSUE FOR THE GOOD FENCE.
SO AGAIN, IF, IF THE BOARD'S INTEREST IS IN KEEPING OUR, OUR FEET TO THE FIRE SET ANOTHER, UH, MEETING, WE'LL COME BACK.
I, I, SO I, I'M NOT TRYING TO, THIS IS NOT ME TRYING TO PLACE BLAME, I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A STATEMENT.
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THAT IT'S TAKING US, AND I'LL USE THE COLLECTIVE US RIGHT CITY STAFF APPLICANT FOUR MONTHS, AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE A PERMIT FOR A FENCE AROUND A PROJECT.SO IT'S, AGAIN, I'M NOT NECESSARILY PLACING BLAME, I'M JUST SAYING WELL, WE, WE'VE GOTTA BE MORE EFFICIENT.
HE'S EXPRESSED THAT SAME, UH, FRUSTRATION TO ME THAT IS TAKING THIS LONG TO GET A FENCE PERMIT, BUT I, YEAH, I MEAN, I'M SURE SOME OF IT WAS OUR NEED TO GET THINGS IN.
THERE WAS THE DESIGN BACK AND FORTH THAT I JUST DISCUSSED.
BUT, UM, YES, IT, IT TO THE FENCE IN PARTICULAR.
THE FENCE IS IS HE THERE IN, IN THE I DO.
BILL, BILL, CAN YOU RAISE YOUR HAND THERE? IT'S OKAY.
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF.
SO JUST, UM, PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT GRAHAM SAID, WE'VE BEEN FAIRLY DILIGENT IN TRYING TO GET OUR MASTER BUILDING PERMIT AND FENCE PERMIT, UM, APPROVED.
AND WE ARE READY TO
WE HAVE A CONTRACT LINED UP, UM, FOR BOTH THE FENCE AND THE DEMOLITION AND MOVING RIGHT INTO THE FOUNDATION AS SOON AS WE CAN GET A PERMIT.
SO CAN YOU PLEASE DETAIL, UM, WHAT THE REASONS THAT YOUR FENCE PERMIT WERE SET BACK, YOUR APPLICATIONS WERE SENT BACK TO THE CITY? IT'S REALLY, YEAH, IT'S REALLY JUST BUILDING DEPARTMENT COMMENTS.
UM, SO THERE WAS INITIALLY A COMMENT ABOUT, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THERE WERE GOING TO BE LIFE SAFETY SYSTEMS BEHIND THE FENCE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GET A LETTER FROM OUR ENGINEER AND SUBMIT THE LETTER TO THE ENGINEER.
AND THAT'S GOTTA GO THROUGH A REVIEW PROCESS AS WELL.
SO THERE'VE BEEN FOUR OR FIVE COMMENTS.
THERE WAS A CORPORATE DOCUMENTS COMMENT THAT TAKES IT WAS A, WHAT I'M DOCUMENT.
WHAT WAS THE SECOND ONE YOU SAID? I'M SORRY.
SO WE GET THE CORPORATE DOCUMENTS AND WE SEND THOSE IN, AND THEN THEY GET REVIEWED AND THEN THAT COMMENT GETS REMOVED.
SO, UM, IF BETWEEN FOUR OR FIVE DISCIPLINES THAT REVIEW THE FENCE APPLICATION, EACH DISCIPLINE HAS FOUR OR FIVE COMMENTS, WE RESPOND TO THEM AND THEN THEY GET RESPONDED TO, AND HOPEFULLY THERE'S NOT ANOTHER SET OF COMMENTS AND THEN WE ANSWER THOSE COMMENTS.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, JUST PUSHING THROUGH THE SYSTEM OF APPROVAL THAT'S TAKEN TIME.
AND, AND BILL, AS I NOTED EARLIER, WE'RE AIMING TO HAVE THE FENCE PERMIT APPLICATION BACK IN THIS WEEK, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
ARE YOU CONFIDENT AT THIS POINT, OH, DID BILL LEAVE? WELL, WHATEVER.
ARE YOU AS A TEAM, I'M STILL CONFIDENT AT THIS POINT THAT, UM, THE FOUR OR FIVE THINGS THAT EACH DIFFERENT DISCIPLINE, UM, ASK YOU TO COVER IN THE LAST PERMIT ARE GONNA BE, ARE GONNA BE ADDRESSED, OR ARE THERE THINGS THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING THAT YOU'RE STILL WORKING ON? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, CORRECT.
BILL, THAT YOU, THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS, WE'VE NOW ANSWERED EVERY CONCERN THAT WE'VE HEARD.
RIGHT? I, I THINK CONSISTENTLY WE'VE ANSWERED THE CONCERNS.
I THINK SOMETIMES IT FALLS INTO THIS SORT OF SUBJECTIVITY AREA, AND THAT'S WHERE THINGS GET THAT DELAYED, RIGHT? UM, SO YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE APPROVAL OF THE ARTWORK ON THE FENCE IS SORT OF SUBJECTIVE, RIGHT? SO WE'VE SUBMITTED WHAT YOU SAW ON THE SCREEN, AND HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE ACCEPTABLE AND WE CAN GO RIGHT TO CONSTRUCTION.
SO IF, SINCE YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS, UM, THIS PROCESS, ARE THERE ANYTHING FROM, UH, ANYTHING FROM IN WITHIN THE TRENCHES THAT YOU WOULD, COULD IMMEDIATELY SEE AS BEING, UM, UH, SUGGESTIONS FOR HOW THE PROCESS, UH, PERMITTING PROCESS COULD BE IMPROVED? OR ARE THERE, OR IS THAT JUST TOO LONG, TOO LONG A LIST FOR YOU TO JUST GIMME THE TOP FIVE OR THREE? KIND OF A KIND OF A LOADED QUESTION.
I'M NOT SURE THAT I, UH, IF, IF YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE CAN, IT'S OKAY TOO.
AND REMEMBER, YOU CAN'T SWEAR, YOU CAN'T SWEAR IN
I DO, I DO UNDERSTAND THOSE RESTRICTIONS.
WITH RESPECT TO THE FENCE, UH, LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE SEVERAL DISCIPLINES, RIGHT? SO THERE'S A STRUCTURAL COMPONENT, THERE'S, UH, A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE
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THAT THAT IS SUBJECTIVE.SO, UM, THERE IS A, UH, A LOT OF NUANCE INVOLVED IN THAT.
I THINK IF YOU TAKE THAT AND YOU EXTRAPOLATE IT TO THE BUILDING PROCESS, IT JUST BECOMES EVEN MORE COMPLICATED, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH RESPECT TO FLOOD VENTS, UM, FIRE REVIEW PLANNING REVIEW, THERE TENDS TO BE QUITE A BIT OF OVERLAP.
AND SOMETIMES THE REVIEWERS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT ARE NOT PRIVY TO THE RESPONSE OF A, AN APPLICANT TO A COMMENT BY ONE DISCIPLINE SO THAT THE OTHER ONE DOESN'T SEE IT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT, THAT'S A GREAT WAY OF PUTTING IT.
WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE BUILDING PROCESS, THAT'S BEEN, UH, VERY CHALLENGING.
AND I THINK OUR ARCHITECT, UM, SEBASTIAN EZ FROM URBAN ROBOT WOULD ECHO THAT.
UM, WE, WE REALLY ARE TRYING TO STAY ON TOP OF THINGS AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE REQUESTED MEETINGS.
AND SOMETIMES THE MEETINGS ARE ZOOM, SOMETIMES THEY'RE IN PERSON AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE WITH ONE REVIEWER, BUT THE OTHER REVIEWER CAN'T MAKE IT.
SO, UM, THE PROCESS BECOMES A, IS CERTAINLY A LOT LONGER THAN I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE BACK IN OCTOBER.
AND I WILL CERTAINLY TELL YOU THAT IN OCTOBER I THOUGHT WE WERE TWO WEEKS AWAY FROM A PERMIT, AND THEN TWO WEEKS TURNS INTO FOUR WEEKS, AND THEN FOUR WEEKS TURNS INTO TWO MONTHS BECAUSE YOU WIND UP GOING BACK AND FORTH.
AND THE TIME THAT NEEDS TO BE DEDICATED TO EACH DISCIPLINE, OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE TO TAKE THEIR TIME AND REVIEW IT AND DO IT PROPERLY, AND WE HAVE TO RESPOND PROPERLY.
SO, UM, THERE, THERE IS DEFINITELY A, UM, UH, A SERIES OF PARAMETERS THAT YOU NEED TO WORK WITHIN THAT MADE THE PROCESS A LITTLE LONGER THAN I EXPECTED.
I MEAN, I, I GUESS I'M RESTATING WHAT I SAID EARLIER, BUT I I, I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY OBVIOUS TO ALL OF US THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT THE SITE SECURED AND THE RESIDENTS WANT THE SITE SECURED AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS THE SITE SECURED, THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A WAY TO STREAMLINE A PROCESS WITHIN BUILDING PLANNING, YOU KNOW, ALL THE APPROVALS, WHATEVER DISCIPLINES NEED TO BE CONSULTED FOR A, A FENCE PERMIT AROUND AN ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION SITE.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS IN EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST THAT WE LOOK INTO STREAMLINING.
I KNOW WE HAVE A NEW, UH, DIRECTOR OF BUILDING DEPARTMENT, SO I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT FOCUS AREAS ON IMPROVEMENT, BUT I, I THINK JUST FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF SITTING HERE TODAY THAT THIS APPEARS TO ME LIKE IT COULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO.
'CAUSE I JUST, I, IT, IT SHOCKS ME THAT IT COULD TAKE FOUR MONTHS TO GET A FENCE.
AND TO GET A PERMIT TO PUT A FENCE UP TO, AND WHEN YOU TIE THAT TO THE LAST PROJECT THAT WE SAW, AND YOU WERE, AND YOU THINK IF THAT TEAM HAS THIS, THESE KIND OF SETBACKS, THAT IT'S GONNA REALLY BE DETRIMENTAL TO THAT, TO THAT HUGE PROJECT.
THERE GOES THAT THREE YEAR TIMELINE.
THE THREE YEAR TIMELINE WOULD JUST BE PERMITTING.
THAT WAS JUST A DID YOU WANNA ADD? YES, PLEASE.
WELL, I MEAN, I, YEAH, I MEAN, I, LOOK, I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THE INNER WORKINGS OF, OF OUR MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT, AND I KNOW EVERYBODY'S WORKS REALLY, REALLY HARD AROUND HERE, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO CASCADE AT ALL.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, LIKE IN WHAT, LIKE, ARE THERE, I GUESS TO, TO LINDSAY'S POINT, ARE THERE CERTAIN, ARE THERE CERTAIN PERMITS OR CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, REQUESTS FOR THINGS? ARE THEY, PERHAPS, COULD THEY BE RETHOUGHT SO THAT LIKE A MEMBER OF THOSE FOUR DEPARTMENTS WAS ON A COMMITTEE OR SOMETHING AND THEY KIND OF GOT ALL THAT APPROVAL ALL AT ONCE OR SOMETHING? UM, I'M SURE IT'S A LOT MORE COMPLICATED TO, UM, YEAH, I'M SURE.
I MEAN, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER, THE POLICIES ARE SUPPOSED TO PROTECT US, SO, RIGHT.
AND THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, OFFENSE DOES REQUIRE A STRUCTURAL REVIEW BUILDING DEPARTMENT REVIEW, FIRE REVIEW.
WE, WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE, THE LAND USE SIDE AND, AND THE ZONING REGULATIONS, WE HAVE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS THAT WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT HAVE TO BE IDENTIFIED IN THE PLANS OR ELSE IT WOULDN'T BE LAWFUL FOR, FOR PLANNING APPROVAL.
IN THIS INSTANCE, I BELIEVE, UM, OUR ONLY REMAINING COMMENT IS THAT THE ARTISTIC GRAPHIC BE INTRODUCED ON THE FENCE, WHICH AGAIN, IS A REQUIREMENT.
SO THE PALM TREE LOOKED GOOD TO ME, THAT'S NEWS ALL DAY.
SO LET ME KNOW WHEN IT'S RESUBMITTED,
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UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT, UH, THE CODE REQUIRES THAT DEFENSE HAVE AN ARTISTIC GRAPHIC.SO TO THAT POINT, IF THE CODE REQUIRES ARTISTIC GRAPHIC, WAS IT NOT THERE AT THE OUTSET? WELL, YEAH, IT WASN'T AT THE OUTSET.
SO THAT'S A YEAH, THAT'S OKAY.
SO I MEAN, SO IT, IT GOES ON BOTH SIDES AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CACHE OR PLACE BLAME, BUT, YOU KNOW MM-HMM
AS MUCH AS YOU GUYS WANT A FENCE AROUND THIS PROPERTY TO KEEP UNWANTED PERSONS OUT OF YOUR PROPERTY, AS MUCH AS I WANT IT TO BE SECURED, AS MUCH AS I THINK EVERYONE WANTS IT TO BE SECURED, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S WORK THAT COULD BE DONE ON ALL SIDES, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF POINT THAT OUT AND JUST, YOU KNOW, FORM MONTHS AND CHANGE TO GET MM-HMM
JUST SEEMS A LITTLE EXCESSIVE.
SO CAN WE, UM, CAN WE SEE WHERE THIS PROJECT IS IN ANOTHER FOUR MONTHS OR DO YOU THINK THAT'S TOO LONG? TWO MONTHS? WE ARE FOUR MONTHS OUT FROM THE LAST ONE.
RIGHT? IT IS OCTOBER THERE ABOUT SEVEN.
WHAT, FIVE MONTHS? I WOULD, NO, OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, RIGHT? YES.
NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY WE'RE FOUR MONTHS.
SO I WAS GONNA DO ANOTHER FOUR MONTHS.
THEY SHOULD HAVE A FENCE PERMIT BY THEN.
SO GRAHAM, WE SHOULD BE DEMOLISHED BY THEN.
IS THE MEETING, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE.
OKAY, MR. CHAIR, THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR TODAY.
UM, UNLESS ANYONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING, WE CAN, UH, ADJOURN.