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WE ARE GOING ON AIR IN 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
AS, UH, HIL LOVES THAT, I SAY WELCOME TO THE MARCH 4TH PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UM, FIRST I WANNA WELCOME OUR NEWEST MEMBER.
KEITH MARKS HIS, UH, FIRST MEETING AND HE'S A GREAT GUY AND I THINK HE'S GONNA BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND WE'RE ALL LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
UH, THERE'S ONE CHANGE ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS WE ARE MOVING THE, UM, POROUS SURFACE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING TO A CONTINUANCE.
OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S ALL THE SAME.
[1. After Action Report – February 4, 2025 ]
CAN I GET A, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE AFTER ACTION REPORT FOR LAST MEETING? MOTION TO APPROVE.CAN I ASK YOU A, CAN I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THAT? OF COURSE.
WHEN, WHEN WE CONTINUE ONE OF THE ITEMS, UH, IS THERE A VOTE TAKEN? YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I REMEMBER THERE BEING A QUESTION ABOUT LIKE THE VEN DO.
UH, WAS IT VEN DOM, UH, ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD JUST CLOSE IT OUT OR CONTINUE IT? AND I THINK THERE WAS A VOTE TAKEN THAT WAS CONTINUED TO THE APRIL MEETING.
NO, I KNOW, BUT ON THE MINUTES I DIDN'T SEE THAT THERE WAS LIKE THE VOTE REFLECTED.
YOU MEAN AS OPPOSED? 'CAUSE I SAW THAT IT SAID IT WAS MOVED, YOU'RE SAYING IT SAID IT WAS MOVED.
UM, WOULD THAT OBJECTION, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO NICK CITY ATTORNEY, THE ATTORNEY.
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
TODAY'S MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE CONDUCTED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH THE BOARD PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AT MIAMI BEACH CITY HALL AND APPLICANT STAFF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY IN TODAY'S MEETING.
THE PUBLIC MAY DIAL 1-877-853-FIVE 2 5 7 AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 6 1 4 3 4 2 6 3 2 7 POUND, OR LOG INTO THE ZOOM APP AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 6 1 4 3 4 2 6 3 2 7.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM? MUST CLICK THE RAISE HAND ICON IN THE ZOOM APP OR DIAL STAR NINE IF THEY'RE PARTICIPATING BY PHONE.
IF YOU'RE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A BUSINESS CORPORATION OR ANOTHER PERSON, YOU NEED TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST WITH CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
IF HAVEN REGISTERED YET, YOU SHOULD REGISTER BEFORE YOU SPEAK TO THE BOARD.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ONLY ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF AND NOT ANY OTHER PARTY.
OR IF YOU'RE TESTIFYING AS AN EXPERT WITNESS PROVIDING ONLY SCIENTIFIC, TECHNICAL, OR OTHER SPECIALIZED INFORMATION OR TESTIMONY IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING, OR IF YOU'RE APPEARING AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION OR REIMBURSEMENT FOR YOUR APPEARANCE TO EXPRESS SUPPORT OF OR OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM.
EXPERT WITNESSES AND REPRESENTATIVES OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SHALL PRIOR TO APPEARING DISCLOSE IN WRITING TO THE CITY CLERK, THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THE PRINCIPLE ON WHOSE BEHALF THEY'RE COMMUNICATING.
IF YOU'RE AN ARCHITECT, ATTORNEY, OR EMPLOYEE REPRESENTING AN APPLICANT OR AN OBJECTOR, YOU MUST REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST.
THESE RULES APPLY WHETHER YOU'RE APPEARING IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST AN ITEM OR ENCOURAGING OR ARGUING AGAINST ITS PASSAGE, DEFEAT, MODIFICATION, OR CONTINUANCE.
AND LASTLY, I'D LIKE TO SWEAR IN, UH, ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR STAFF WILL BE TESTIFYING TODAY.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO, YES.
[2. PB24-0656. 1235 Washington Avenue. Night Club]
IS A REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE PLANNING BOARD FILE 24 0 6 5 6 12 35 WASHINGTON AVENUE CLUB.MR. UH, YOU GOTTA START WITH ACTUALLY, MR. LARKIN, DO YOU WANNA, UM, SPEAK ON THE APPLICATION? YES, THANKS MICHAEL.
UM, MICHAEL LARKIN, TURNER, SOUTH KING BOULEVARD HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
WE ARE WORKING ON COMPLIANCE WITH SOME OF THE STAFF CONDITIONS.
IT'S TAKEN AS LONGER THAN WHAT WE WOULD LIKE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONTINUANCE UNTIL THE APRIL HEARING THAT ADDRESS WAS PROBABLY THE FIRST NIGHTCLUB I EVER PARTIED AT.
IT WAS CLUB Z LIKE 20 YEARS AGO.
IT'S STILL, ITS STILL A BAR, HUH? 20 YEARS.
UM, WHAT, WHAT IS, SO IT'S IT'S GONNA BE A NEW, IT'S STILL GONNA BE A NIGHTCLUB, RIGHT? IT'S JUST, UM, NEW, BUT A NEW NAME BECAUSE WE LOOKED IT UP AND THERE'S A CURRENT NAME THERE FOR THAT CLUB, BUT THE NAME MIGHT STAY THE SAME, BUT THEY'RE IMPLEMENTING A DIFFERENT OPERATING PLAN HOPING TO ATTRACT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ENTERTAINMENT THERE.
SO, BUT YOU KNOW, MICHAEL HAS PUT IN SOME RIGOROUS STAFF CONDITIONS AND INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING NO, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS THERE A WAY TO COMPLY, SO.
UM, WE SHOULD TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT? ANYONE ON ZOOM? THERE'S NOBODY ON ZOOM.
ANY QUESTIONS OR SOMEONE WANNA MOVE IT? YOU HAVE WE SEEN A MOTION TO CONTINUE IT TO THE APRIL 8TH MEETING? I MOVED SECOND.
JOHN MOVED IT, YOU FEEL SECOND.
I'M SURE WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN TODAY.
[8. PB24-0734. Increasing and Enhancing Porous Surface Requirements for Parking Lots and Driveways.]
24 0 7 3 4.INCREASING AND ENHANCING POROUS
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SERVICE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING LOTS.THAT WAS MOVED TO A CONTINUANCE.
MICHAEL, IF WE NEED A, SO THIS IS ONE WHERE, UM, WE ARE STILL, UM, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE PUBLIC IN JANUARY, AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FINALIZE THE, UM, RECOMMENDATION YET IN THE REPORT FOR THE, UM, PB 24 0 7 3 4.
SO WE ARE ASKING THE BOARD TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE APRIL 8TH MEETING.
ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS? ANYONE ON ZOOM? NOPE.
ANYONE OPPOSED? OKAY, IT'S MOVED.
[3 PB22-0553. 455 Lincoln Road]
IT'S FIRST ONE IS PLANNING BOARD FILE 22 0 5 5 3 4 55 LINCOLN ROAD.OKAY, SO THIS IS, UM, THIS STAFF REPORT BEGINS ON PAGE 17 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES.
AND THIS IS PB 22 DASH 0 5 5 3 FOR 4 55 LINCOLN ROAD.
UM, THIS IS AN APPLICATION THAT INITIALLY WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD FOR AN NIE ON NOVEMBER 22ND, 2022.
AND THEIR BTR FOR THE OPERATION, INCLUDING ENTERTAINMENT, WAS ISSUED, UM, ON OCTOBER 28TH, 2024.
UM, THE COP REQUIRES THAT THE APPLICANT APPEAR BEFORE THE BOARD FOR A PROGRESS REPORT WITHIN 90 DAYS OF THE ISSUANCE OF THE VTR.
NOW, AS PART OF ANY SORT OF STANDARD PROGRESS REPORT, UM, WE ADVISED THE BOARD OF ANY CITATIONS OR COMPLAINTS ISSUED BY THE CODE OF COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT REGARDING THE OPERATION OF THE VENUE.
AS IT NOTED ON PAGE, UM, 17 AND 18, THERE WERE A COUPLE, THERE WERE A COUPLE VIOLATIONS ISSUED REGARDING THE OPERATION.
THIS ON THE NOTES, INDICATE THAT WHILE CONDUCTING A FOOT PATROL IN THE AREA, AN INDIVIDUAL WAS OBSERVED PLAYING INSTRUMENTS AND A WOMAN WAS OBSERVED PERFORMING BY DANCING RESTAURANT MANAGER WAS PERFORMED THAT THE PERMIT IS NEEDED TO CONDUCT STREET PERFORMANCE ACTIVITY.
AND HE UNDERSTOOD THE RESTAURANT CAME INTO COMPLIANCE IMMEDIATELY BY CEASING ALL ACTIVITY.
UM, THERE WERE SOME OTHER VIOLATIONS REGARDING, UM, SANITATION AND, UM, AND, UM, WINDOW COVERINGS.
BUT THE, UM, UH, OPERATIONAL VIOLATION WAS ALSO ON, ON 12 11 24, WHERE THERE WAS A COP CONDITION VIOLATION AS WELL FOR, UM, PERFORMERS AND COSTUMES OBSERVING, ENTERING THE ESTABLISHMENT WITH A SILK BELT BACKDROP IN FRONT.
AND, UM, THE RESTAURANT, UM, WAS NOTED AS HAVING A BTR FOR INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, BUT NOTHING ON THE EXTERIOR AND THE ENTERTAINMENT OUTSIDE, UM, WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, WHICH THEY DID NOT HAVE.
AND THE, UM, RESTAURANT CAME INTO COMPLIANCE ONCE THEY WERE NOTIFIED.
WE ALSO NOTED THERE WAS A NO NOISE COMPLAINT ON 2 22 ON 2025.
NOW, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE BOARD HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AND CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT, UM, THEY WANT TO CONSIDER SETTING A REVOCATION, HEARING THE SUING THAT A REV REVOCATION OR MODIFICATION HEARING COULD BE SET DUE TO THE NOTICE FROM REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE, UM, MAY 6TH, 2025 WITHOUT TURN IT OVER TO THE, UM, THE APPLICANT.
WAIT, MICHAEL, I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO IT SAYS THE BTR ALLOWS 'EM TO HAVE ENTERTAINMENT INSIDE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
YOU'RE SAYING IT WAS A VIOLATION? THAT'S JUST SEE PERFORMERS WALKING? OH, NO, NOT WALKING.
THEY HAD, THEY HAD A PERFORMER OUTSIDE THE ESTABLISHMENT TOO.
OH, THEY WERE PERFORMING OUTSIDE.
MICHAEL OPOLIS, UH, 200 SOUTH PISCA BOULEVARD.
I JOINED TODAY WITH, UH, MICHAEL LARKIN AND MY COLLEAGUE NICK RODRIGUEZ.
UH, WE REPRESENT THE APPLICANT, UH, ANDRES GARRE, UM, THE EXECUTIVE MANAGER, UH, THE EXECUTIVE CHEF AND THE OWNER ARE ON THE WAY.
UH, IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN GIVE YOU A QUICK WALKTHROUGH OF THE ACTUAL, UH, VENUE ITSELF WHERE WE COULD JUST JUMP RIGHT TO, UH, SOME OF THESE VIOLATIONS, WHATEVER YOU WANT.
SO I'LL GIVE YOU A QUICK RUNDOWN.
SO THE RESTAURANT IS LOCATED ON 4 5 5 LINCOLN ROAD, UH, AND DREXEL AVENUE.
UM, ANDRES CONEZ IS A UNIQUE COLUMBIAN RESTAURANT.
UH, IT'S A WORLD CLASS STEAKHOUSE, AND THEY PROVIDE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AND OCCASIONAL PERFORMANCES BY STAFF.
UM, THEY'VE RECEIVED SEVERAL APPROVALS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
IN 2020, THEY RECEIVED THEIR FIRST CUP FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENT, UH, WHICH SUBSEQUENTLY EXPIRED IN 2021.
THEY RECEIVED HPB APPROVAL, UH, FOR A VARIANCE, UH, FOR THE ROOFTOP BONDING AND TO OPERATE AN OUTDOOR BAR.
AND THEN IN 2022, THEY WENT BACK TO GET A NEW CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, FOR THE PRIOR ONE THAT HAD EXPIRED.
UM, THEIR BTR WAS ISSUED ON OCTOBER 28TH, 2024.
AND ON THE SCREEN YOU COULD SEE SOME OF THE CONDITIONS, UH, LAID OUT BY THE 2022 CUP.
UM, THEY'RE A RELATIVELY NEW RESTAURANT.
THEY'VE BEEN OPEN FOR CLOSE TO FOUR MONTHS NOW.
SO THE OWNER AND THE RESTAURANT AND THE GENERAL MANAGER IS, IS LEARNING AND EDUCATING THEMSELVES ON THE CONDITIONS
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OF THE CUP, UM, MOST OF WHICH WERE, AS STAFF MENTIONED, IMMEDIATELY COMPLIED WITH, UH, SOME OF WHICH WERE, UM, IMMEDIATELY COMPLIED WITH AS WELL.BUT THERE WERE SOME HICCUPS ALONG THE WAY.
UH, I THINK STAFF MENTIONED THE FIRST CUP, WHICH WAS, UH, FIRST CUP UH, VIOLATION, UH, TOOK PLACE ON NOVEMBER 17TH.
AND THIS ONE WAS, UH, THERE WERE PERFORMERS DANCING OUTSIDE THE RESTAURANT, AND THE GENERAL MANAGER MISTAKENLY BELIEVED THAT THAT WAS ALLOWED AS PART OF THEIR CUP.
UH, WHEN THEY WERE ALERTED THAT THEY WEREN'T, THEY HALTED THE PERFORMANCES.
THEN THEY HIRED A, UH, PERMIT EXPEDITOR TO WORK WITH THE LINCOLN, UM, LINCOLN, UH, BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT TO AMEND THE LINCOLN ROAD CULTURAL ACTIVATION PERMIT TO ALLOW THEM THEN TO HAVE PERFORMERS OUTSIDE DANCE WITH BETWEEN TWO AND 10 MINUTE INTERVALS TWICE A DAY.
AND WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT? SO THAT'S ACTIVE AND IT GOES, IT WAS, IT WAS, UH, ACTIVE FROM, UH, NO, SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR TO OCTOBER OF 2025.
UM, I BELIEVE THE SECOND VIOLATION THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS A SANITARY VIOLATION.
UH, THIS WAS JUST A BAD TIMING.
THEY RECEIVED A BIG CRATE WITH A TABLE, AND THE CRATE WAS TOO BIG TO MOVE INSIDE, SO THEY DISMANTLED THE CRATE, TOOK THE TABLE INSIDE.
BETWEEN THAT TIME IS WHEN THEY RECEIVED THE VIOLATION, UH, THE GENERAL MANAGER ACTIVELY EDUCATED ALL THE EMPLOYEES TO COMPLETELY DISMANTLE 'EM PROPERLY, THROW AWAY, UM, ANY GARBAGE AND WASTE.
UM, AND THEN THAT VIOLATION WAS SUBSEQUENTLY COMPLIED WITH A FEW DAYS LATER.
UM, THIS IS ANOTHER ACTIVE, UH, PROACTIVE INVESTIGATION.
UH, HERE THEY HAD, AS PART OF THE LINCOLN ROAD, UH, CULTURAL ACTIVATION PERMIT, THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DISPLAY COWS AS A FURNITURE FOR ONE OF THE EVENTS.
UM, THEY PUT A TABLE, UH, A COFFEE TABLE AND A BENCH AGAINST THEIR BUILDING UNDER THE AWNING.
UH, AN INVESTIGATOR, UH, INVESTIGATOR TOLD THEM THEY, THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT, SO THEY PROMPTLY REMOVED THE FURNITURE BROUGHT INSIDE, AND THAT WAS COMPLIED WITH.
UM, THE LAST VIOLATION, UH, SORRY, THE, THE VIOLATION REGARDING THE SILK BACKDROP.
THEY HAD A PERMIT, UH, THEY WERE DOING A SPECIAL EVENT INSIDE, AND THEY HAD A, THEY HIRED AN EVENT PLANNER WHO PUT A SILK BACKDROP OUTSIDE FOR GUESTS TO WALK THROUGH.
UH, AGAIN, THIS WAS A PROACTIVE, UH, INVESTIGATION.
THEY ALERTED THEM THAT THE SILK BACKDROP REQUIRED A SPECIAL PERMIT.
SO THEY PROMPTLY REMOVED THAT, BROUGHT THE SILK BACKDROP INSIDE, AND THAT WAS IMMEDIATELY COMPLIED.
UH, THE, THERE WAS ANOTHER INSTANCE WHERE THEY HAD, UM, THEIR, THEIR WINDOWS WERE VANDALIZED, SO THEY COVERED THE WINDOWS.
THEY WERE KEYED AND KEYED AND, UH, GRAFFITIED.
SO THEY, UH, THEY MEANING THE GENERAL MANAGER HIRED A COMPANY TO PUT, YOU KNOW, PRETTY LOGOS AND THEY COVERED THE WINDOWS ENTIRELY.
THEY FOUND OUT THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
SO THEY JUST REMOVED THOSE LOGOS.
AND THE WINDOWS ARE CURRENTLY VANDALIZED, BUT THEY HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT SO LONG AS THE CITY'S OKAY WITH IT.
UH, THE VERY LAST COMPLAINT THAT MR. BEUS MENTIONED OF A FOOT PATROL FOR A SEPARATE COMPLAINT, UM, THEY HEARD MUSIC COMING FROM, UH, FOUR, FIVE FIVE.
THEY WERE SINGING HAPPY BIRTHDAY ON TOP OF THE ROOFTOP.
THE INSPECTOR NOTIFIED OF THE, UH, THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE, THE GENERAL MANAGER HALTED THE SONG, THE MUSIC AT 1604 DREXEL, A CONDO, UH, 1604 DREXEL.
THAT WAS THE ORIGIN OF THE COMPLAINT.
DO YOU KNOW MICHAEL? I CAN CHECK.
INSPECTOR WAS THERE FOR A SEPARATE COMPLAINT AT 1604 DREXEL AND OVERHEARD HAPPY BIRTHDAY SONGS.
THAT'S WHERE, SO HOW MANY, HOW MANY, HOW MANY MANAGERS DO YOU HAVE CURRENTLY? THERE'S ONE FULL-TIME MANAGER AND HE WORKS, UH, WEEKLY EVERY DAY.
AND THEN THERE'S AN EXECUTIVE CHEF AND, UH, ABOUT A HUNDRED DIFFERENT EMPLOYEES.
SO HAVE YOU SAT DOWN WITH THEM ALL OR HAVE THEY SAT DOWN WITH THEM ALL? YES.
AND GIVEN THEM ALL? YES, CORRECT.
THE GENERAL MANAGER IS AWARE OF ALL THE CONDITIONS IN THE CDP AND HAS BEEN ACTIVELY EDUCATING THE STAFF SO THAT NONE OF THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
AND AS WE MENTIONED, AND THE STAFF MENTIONED, A MAJORITY OF THESE ITEMS WERE IMMEDIATELY COMPLIED WITH MM-HMM
UM, SO THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, SHOWING A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO CONTINUE.
UH, THEY HAVEN'T VIOLATED ANY, ANY REAL NOISE ORDINANCES.
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN ANY, ANY VIOLATIONS, UM, CONTRADICTING THE CONDITIONS IN, IN THE CP.
SO THEY'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON IT AND WOULD RESPECTFULLY, UH, REQUEST THIS.
IS THERE ANYONE ON ZOOM? NO, THERE'S NOT ANYONE
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HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS.ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PLUG AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU MY COMMENTS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'VE BEEN TO THE ONE IN COLUMBIA AND IT'S AN AMAZING OPERATION.
AND MY GUT IS THEY CAN DO A LOT OF THAT IN COLUMBIA THAT THEY'RE, THEY TECHNICALLY CAN'T DO HERE.
I THINK ALL THE VIOLATIONS ARE PRETTY MINOR.
UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT ADDITION TO LINCOLN ROAD.
I, I, I'VE BEEN THERE MANY TIMES AND I, AND THEY'VE BEEN UNBELIEVABLE TO STAFF.
OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE TECHNICAL THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE WORKED THROUGH.
UM, MY, OBVIOUSLY I'M GONNA LET THE REST OF MY BOARD MEMBERS COMMENT, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD JUST CONTINUE THIS FOR A COUPLE MONTHS AND SEE, YOU KNOW, SEE IF THEY CAN GET RECT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYTHING WAS PRETTY MINOR THAT CAN BE RECTIFIED.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS, BUT I'LL START WITH KEITH OR WHOEVER.
UH, LINCOLN IS A VERY DIFFICULT AREA TO MANAGE FOR SURE.
UH, AND THESE ARE ALL MINOR COMPLAINTS IN MY OPINION.
SO I THINK SEE IF THEY LEARN, YOU KNOW? YEAH, I AGREE TOO.
I MEAN, WE COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVE IT A FEW MONTHS, SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAN.
YOU MENTIONED THAT, WELL, BOTH OF YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD THE ENTERTAINMENT OR THE DANCING OUTSIDE AND THEN YOU WENT TO THE LINCOLN ROAD BID AND, AND GOT APPROVAL FROM THEM FOR THAT.
BUT OUR ORDER SAYS THERE'S NO OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT ALLOWED.
WOULDN'T THAT HAVE TO COME BACK TO US FOR, FOR NO, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE, THIS WOULD BE ON, THIS WOULD BE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A SEPARATE SPACE.
IT'S SORT OF OPEN AIR ON THE ROOF.
OH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S S THAT'S SEPARATE.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S SEPARATE.
I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ON THE, ON THE LINCOLN ROAD GROUND FLOOR LEVEL ON THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE SPECIAL EVENT THAT CLEARS IT UP.
I THINK THE ISSUE WAS THAT THERE WERE OUTSIDE ON LINCOLN ROAD ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, A PERFORMER DANCING.
BUT NOW YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT ACCORDING, YOU GOT A PERMIT FOR THAT TWICE A DAY, TWO TO 10 MINUTE INTERVIEWS, I'M ASSUMING? NOT VERY LATE AT NIGHT, NO.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR CAN WE JUST MOVE THIS, THAT, WHAT I JUST, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THE 1604 DREXEL IS AN APARTMENT BUILDING MM-HMM
BUT, BUT THE ATTORNEY SAID WAS THAT THE NOISE COMPLAINT WAS AT, WAS ABOUT SOMETHING AT 1604.
AS OPPOSED TO SOMEBODY FROM 1604 COMPLAINING ABOUT, UH, THAT THE LINCOLN ROAD ESTABLISHMENT.
IT WAS UNRELATED TO OUR APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE IT FOR TWO MONTHS TO THE MAY ME TO THE MAY 6TH MEETING, THE MAY I'LL SECOND.
YEAH, JUST LIKE I SAID, THEY ALL SEEM MINOR.
JUST MAKE SURE THAT THEY, UH, EDUCATE THEM ON, YOU KNOW, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS TO P SO THAT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE AGAIN, IT'S A GREAT ADDITION AND LINCOLN ROAD NEEDS, PLACES LIKE THAT AND WE WANTED TO SURVIVE AND DO WELL.
SO, AND I'M SURE THERE ARE PROBABLY A HUNDRED PROACTIVE INVESTIGATIONS THAT CAME UP WITH NOTHING, YOU KNOW, SO.
WELL, MAJORITY OF THESE ARE THE, IS IS EXACTLY THE, THIS IS, WE ONLY HEAR ABOUT THE ONES WHERE THEY FLAGGED SOMETHING, BUT I'M SURE THERE WERE OTHER INVESTIGATIONS WHERE THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, NOTHING WAS ALRIGHT.
CAN I GET A SECOND? SECOND, ELIZABETH SECOND.
ALL THIS PAPER? AYE, YOU WANNA OPPOSED? OKAY.
SO WE'LL SEE YOU ON THIS ONE IN MAY.
THANK YOU FOR, THAT'LL BE MAY 6TH.
WHAT'S THAT? THE MEETING IS ON MAY 6TH.
[4 PB24-0707, a.k.a PB23-0577. 230 1st Street & 81 Washington Avenue – Le Jardin Boucherie & Genzo-Omakase Room.]
PROGRESS REPORT IS, UH, PLANNING BOARD FILED 24 0 7 0 7 LAHAR RE AND THIS STAFF BOARD BEGINS ON PAGE, UM, 31 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES.I THINK EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD EXCEPT FOR, UM, KEITH MARKS WAS HERE IN JANUARY WHEN THIS APPLICATION WAS LASTED BY THE BOARD.
AND ON JANUARY 7TH, THE BOARD APPROVED A MODIFICATION TO INCLUDE THE OPERATION OF THE THIRD FLOOR.
THE FIRST TWO FLOORS WERE INITIALLY APPROVED FOR THE OPERATION OF A RESTAURANT ON, UM, ON MAY 23RD, 2023 ON JANUARY 28TH.
THE BTR WAS ISSUED FOR THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOORS.
UM, THEY HAD NOT YET, UM, RECEIVED THE PERMIT OR FINALIZED THE CONSTRUCTION FOR THE THIRD FLOOR OF THE RESTAURANT, BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO OPEN THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOORS BASED UPON THE CUP AND THE BTR WAS ISSUED ON FEBRUARY 28TH.
NOW, ON FEBRUARY 13TH, UM, THE PINE DEPARTMENT SENT A CURE LETTER TO THE APPLICANT AND THIS WAS RESPONSE TO A CODE CITATION THAT WAS ISSUED FOR HAVING AN OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT IN THE FORM OF A LIVE BAND IN THE EXTERIOR COURTYARD.
UM, THE CURE LETTER ADVISED THE APPLICANT TO APPEAR BEFORE THE BOARD FOR A PROGRESS REPORT, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR, UM, FOR TODAY.
THAT WAS NOTED IN OUR, UM, STAFF REPORT.
HEY, MICHAEL, SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU AGAIN.
SO WAS THE VIOLE, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
DO THEY HAVE ENTERTAINMENT? NO.
'CAUSE UM, NO, 'CAUSE HE ENTERTAINMENT IS PROHIBITED SOUTH OF HISTORY.
SO THEY HAD KNOWN HER, SO, OKAY.
SO, UM, ENTERTAINMENT'S PROHIBITED.
SO YOU'RE, SO IT WAS TWO THINGS.
A SPECIAL EVENT WITHOUT A PERMIT AND ENTERTAINMENT.
AND THEY CAN'T, SO THEY CAN'T GET A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT AND THEY CAN'T HAVE ENTERTAINMENT GOT EVEN WITHOUT A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
SO THEY HAD, AND IT'S PROBABLY THEIR FIRST WEEK OF OPENING AND THEY'RE TRYING TO RIGHT.
SO THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A FLAGRANT VIOLATION.
UM, AND THIS REGARD, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE ENTERTAINMENT IS PROHIBITED SOUTH OF HISTORY.
UM, THE, THERE'S, THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY HERE.
BUT WE DO BELIEVE, WE ARE STRONGLY RECOMMENDING THAT THE BOARD, UM, DOES SET A REVOCATION MODIFICATION HEARING FOR MAY 6TH.
NOT TO SAY THE BOARD HAS TO MODIFY AT THAT TIME, BUT WE DO BELIEVE BASED UPON WHAT HAPPENED HERE IN JANUARY THAT AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, THE BOARD
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SHOULD SET A REVOCATION MODIFICATION HEARING, MONITOR THE PROPERTY FOR THE NEXT TWO MONTHS.WHAT WOULD YOU MODIFY IF THE CP PROHIBITED WHAT THEY DID? WELL, THE BOARD, THE BOARD COULD TAKE AWAY THE OPERATION OF THE THIRD FLOOR.
YOU KNOW, THEY COULD, THEY COULD MODIFY THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
I MEAN, I DO THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING, THERE SHOULD BE SOME CONSEQUENCES FOR HAVING THE, THE FLAGRANT VIOLATION, BUT FOR THE BOARD TO MAKE THE DECISION IN, IN MAY.
BUT WE DO THINK IN ORDER TO OPEN THAT, KEEP THAT OPEN, THE BOARD SHOULD, UM, SET A REVOCATION MODIFICATION HEARING FOR MAY 6TH.
'CAUSE WE DO HAVE TO ADVERTISE THAT IN ACCORDANCE TO THE 30 DAY NOTICE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT.
THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION TO JUST CONTINUE THE STATUS OF THE HEARING.
THE BOARD COULD, THE BOARD COULD CONTINUE THE PRIOR SUPPORT AS WELL.
NICHOLAS RODRIGUEZ HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AND OWNER 81 WASHINGTON, LLC.
UM, AS MICHAEL MENTIONED, WE, THERE'S NOT REALLY A DEFENSIBLE POSITION HERE THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW.
UM, THIS WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A HENRY HO HAUSER BUILDING THAT THE APPLICANT SPENT OVER $30 MILLION, UH, RESTORING AND RENOVATING.
UM, AFTER ABOUT THREE YEARS IN THE PERMITTING AND LICENSING PROCESS, THE OWNER GOT CARRIED AWAY AT THE GRAND OPENING.
UM, THIS WAS JUST FOR THE GRAND OPENING.
THIS ISN'T HOW THEY INTEND TO OPERATE THE RESTAURANT.
IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THEIR OPERATION.
IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THEIR CUP.
UM, SO THEY DID JUST, UH, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO JUST BE A SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, COUPLE OF SONGS BY THIS PERSON WHO IS A SINGER WHO IS A FRIEND OF THE OWNER.
IT TURNED INTO MORE THAN THAT.
UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY HAS LED TO THIS VIOLATION.
THE OWNER HAS PAID THE FINE, UM, THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED A REPEAT VIOLATOR IF IT WERE TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
AND OF COURSE, UM, WE HAVE CONSEQUENCES BEFORE THIS BOARD AS WELL.
SO WE'RE NOT OPPOSING, UH, CONTINUING THIS PROGRESS REPORT AND YOU GUYS CONTINUING TO MONITOR.
UH, WE'RE NOT, UH, PLANNING TO HAVE ANY MORE EVENTS OR ENTERTAINMENT AT THE RESTAURANT.
UH, TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE ARE OTHER NOISE COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, UM, THEY HAVE, NONE OF THEM HAVE RIPENED INTO VIOLATIONS.
AND DESPITE THAT, THE OWNERS ARE STILL MAKING CHANGES AT THE PROPERTY, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THEIR OUTDOOR SPEAKER LAYOUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER COMPLAINTS ARE COMING IN, WHETHER THEY'RE WELL-FOUNDED OR NOT, THAT THEY'RE BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS.
UH, SO THAT THEY REALLY ARE KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THE INITIAL PHASES OF OPENING.
AND THEIR CUP, UM, THAT'S SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE EVENT THAT HAPPENED AT THEIR GRAND OPENING, THAT WAS A VIOLATION.
THERE IS NO, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DANCING AROUND THAT.
UH, BUT GOING FORWARD, I THINK THAT THIS OPERATOR IS RESPECTFUL OF THE CITY'S LAWS.
THEY ARE INTENDING TO OPERATE THIS AS A RESTAURANT.
UM, AND AS MR. ELIAS YOU POINTED OUT, I THINK THEY, THEY JUST GOT A LITTLE CARRIED AWAY ON THEIR VERY FIRST EVENING OF OPERATIONS.
AND I WILL POINT OUT, THERE WERE SEVERAL NEIGHBORS FROM THE COSMOPOLITAN THAT WERE PERSONALLY INVITED TO THE GRAND OPENING.
UM, MANY NEIGHBORS WERE THERE ENJOYING IT.
UM, AND IT DID CEASE AT 11:00 PM SO AFTER 11:00 PM IT STOPPED.
UM, THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THEY'RE EVER GONNA HAVE THIS HAPPEN.
SO ANYONE IN IN CHAMBERS SPEAK ON THIS? ANYONE ON ZOOM? THERE'S NOBODY ON ZOOM WITH THEIR HAND RAISED.
ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA START AGAIN.
I MUST BE IN A GOOD MOOD, BUT
LISTEN, I KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THEY PUT INTO IT.
I ACTUALLY WENT OVER THERE TO SEE IT.
I THINK IT'S A LITTLE EARLY TO HAVE A REVOCATION HEARING.
MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO TWO MONTHS.
UM, AND ASSUMING IT'S A ONE-OFF, YOU KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW KEITH LIVES SOUTH OF FIFTH AND AND WE DO NEED TO ADHERE TO THE RULES THERE.
IT, IT, IT OBVIOUSLY IT WAS A MISTAKE.
IF IT WAS OPENING NIGHT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S WRONG, IT HAPPENS.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN LIGHT OF THE INVESTMENT MADE THERE, I I WOULD HATE TO HAVE A REVOCATION HEARING AT THIS STAGE SINCE THEY'VE ONLY BEEN OPEN A MONTH.
BUT I THINK IT THE ME ARE YOU THE OWNER? THIS IS THE GENERAL MANAGER HERE.
CAN YOU STEP UP ONE SEC? AND AGAIN, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN OPINIONS, BUT, UM, YEAH, IT'S JUST YOU, YOU CAN'T BLATANTLY DISREGARD A A CP LIKE THAT.
I KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY AND EFFORT'S BEEN PUT INTO THAT.
UM, SO YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE CUP EDUCATE AND EDUCATE THE STAFF ON THAT.
BECAUSE WE WANT YOU TO DO WELL.
AND HE, WE'LL START WITH KEITH.
WELL, GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT, UH, YOU, YOU WENT IN FRONT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD AND IN CASE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND, UM, NO MUSIC AND WHAT AMBIENT OUTSIDE MEANS, PERHAPS THEY COULD TALK TO CATCH.
UH, I STILL THINK THAT THE SPEAKERS, AND THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION, THEY COULD DO BETTER.
UH, WHEN I WAS THERE ON THE 14TH, UH, AT NIGHT, I THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE LOUD.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT PERSONALLY, I THOUGHT IT WAS LOUD FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WERE SITTING THERE, BUT THAT'S UP TO THE GENERAL MANAGER.
BUT, UM, AMBIENT IS, IS IN THE EAR OF THE BEHOLDER.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT WHEN I WAS THERE, UH, I WAS HEARING, UM, THE LOWER END OF AMBIENT CASUAL NICE FRENCH MUSIC THAT WOULD PUT YOU IN A MOOD TO EAT.
AND SO I WOULD JUST BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.
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APPRECIATE THAT, KEITH.AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DEACTIVATED, I THINK TWO OR THREE SPEAKERS IN THE, IN THE FRONT AREA THAT WE, WE WERE NOTICING IT WAS MAYBE GETTING A LITTLE LOUD.
SPEAKERS HAVE BEEN DEACTIVATED, UM, IN RESPONSE TO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE NORMALIZATION PERIOD.
THEY'VE BEEN OPEN ABOUT A MONTH.
I, I WOULD SUGGEST IF THE BOARD IS GONNA CONTINUE THE APPLICATION, IF WE GET TO THAT POINT THAT WE INCLUDE A CONDITION THAT STAFF GO OUT THERE AND WE SET THE, THE LEVEL OF MUSIC SO WE, WE CAN CONFIRM WHAT THAT VOLUMES WOULD BE, THAT'S FINE.
THEY ARE USING A LIMITER AS REQUIRED BY THEIR CP THEY'RE USING.
THE DECIMAL SIX, IS IT 70 OR 65? UH, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE DECIBEL METER IS SET AT? WE CAN BRING THAT BACK IN THE PROGRESS REPORT TO MAKE SURE WHAT THE LEVEL SET OUT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I DO THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD, WE COULD WAIT.
UM, I HAVE A FEELING THE CITY'S GONNA GO OUT THERE AND TELL 'EM WHERE THEY NEED TO SIT.
I THINK THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY FROM THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, CALLS THAT WERE MADE THAT ARE GONNA BE KEEPING AN EYE ON THE PLACE.
THEY GO A FEW MONTHS AND, AND NOT HAVE ANY VIOLATIONS.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA SHOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU ARE TRYING.
SO YEAH, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF JUST CONTINUING IT FOR TWO MONTHS.
UM, I, I MIGHT WANT TO DO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN TWO MONTHS.
I MEAN, ONE OF MY CONCERNS, I GUESS IS AS THE SUMMER MONTHS COME, UH, TRAFFIC SLOWS DOWN A BIT AND, YOU KNOW, WE SEE RESTAURANTS AND NIGHTCLUBS PUSHING THE LIMITS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO BRING IN CLIENTELE AND BRING IN CUSTOMERS.
AND SO I GUESS THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE.
I AM, I'D SAY MAYBE 90 DAYS BRING YOU GUYS BACK INSTEAD OF 60 DAYS.
OBVIOUSLY, IF THERE IS A VIOLATION, YOU'LL BE BACK SOONER THAN THAT.
UM, BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF, UH, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CALIBRATING THE DECIMAL DECIBEL, UH, LEVEL.
YOU KNOW, ONE THING I GUESS IT, IT, IT'S, IT SORT OF AT ODDS TO ME THAT THEY HAVE AMBIENT MUSIC AND THEN WHEN CODE COMPLIANCE GOES, THEY'RE DETERMINING WHETHER THE MUSIC IS QUOTE UNQUOTE EXCESSIVELY LOUD.
RIGHT? AND SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT EXCESSIVELY LOUD.
IT'S IS IT ABOVE NORMAL CONVERSATION? WELL, SO THEN, THEN CODE NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED ON THAT BECAUSE IN THESE REPORTS FROM THAT ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORTS ARE, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, IT WA ONE OF THEM SAYS IT WAS NOT, UM, IT WAS NOT, UH, UNREASONABLY LOUD OR IT WAS NOT LOUD NOR EXCESSIVE, BUT ONE OF THEM SAID THE MUSIC WAS NOT, NOT EXCESSIVELY LOUD.
I THINK, UM, WE SHOULD HAVE A MEETING WITH PLANNING STAFF AND CODE COMPLIANCE ONSITE TO ESTABLISH WHAT THAT LEVEL IS.
BUT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE BEEN THERE.
I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND, UM, LOOKING FORWARD TO YEARS OF SUCCESS THERE.
I MEAN, I, I AGREE WITH, UH, JONATHAN.
I WOULD PROBABLY SCHEDULE, UH, WHERE I WOULD, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE THIS.
YOU WERE SAYING WHAT, 90 DAYS? YEAH.
I THINK THAT THAT MAKES MOST SENSE HOW YOU ALL OPERATE.
YEAH, I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING IS IT SEEMS LIKE WHENEVER CODE GETS THERE, THEY'RE UNABLE TO ACTUALLY MAKE CONTACT WITH ANYONE.
SO MAYBE JUST HAVING SOMETHING SET IN PLACE WHERE IF CODE DOES COME OUT, THERE'S A WAY TO KIND OF GET AHOLD OF SOMEONE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER AND MORE EFFICIENTLY.
I THINK THOSE NOTES ARE FOR THE, THE COMPLAINANT IS REFUSING TO COOPERATE WITH CODE.
BUT OUR MANAGERS HAVE, HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH CODE EVERY TIME THAT THEY'VE BEEN THERE.
UM, I THINK, AND TO JONATHAN'S POINT, I THINK THERE'S EVEN ONE OF THESE NOTES WHERE THEY SAY THAT THEY GO TO THE VANTAGE POINT OF THE COMPLAINANT, THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING NEXT DOOR, AND THEY CAN'T HEAR ANY MUSIC.
UM, THAT'S THE STANDARD IN OUR CP.
IT'S, YOU CANNOT IMPACT THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING NEXT DOOR AND WE'RE COMPLYING WITH IT.
DO WE KNOW IF THE COMPLAINTS, THERE'S FOUR COMPLAINTS WHERE, WHERE THE, UH, COMPLAINANT WAS NOT WILLING TO MEET? IS IT ALL FROM THE SAME PERSON OR SAME BUILDING? I DON'T KNOW.
WITHOUT, UM, ASKING CODE COMPLIANCE.
I COULD HAVE THEM COME WHEN WE, WE HAVE THIS CONTINUED I'LL CODE COMPLIANCE, COME BACK AND THEY CAN RESPOND TO ANY DIRECT QUESTIONS REGARDING THOSE COMPLAINTS AS WELL AS ANY FUTURE COMPLAINTS.
GENERALLY COMPLAINANTS HAVE TO DISCLOSE NOW, RIGHT? YES.
THEY HAVE TO DISCLOSE THEIR, THEIR, OKAY.
UM, I'M ON BOARD WITH, UH, WITH MY COLLEAGUES HERE.
I THINK THAT THERE'S NO NEED TO BE COMING BACK TOO SOON.
UM, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LEARNING CURVE AND WE MAY PUSH THE LIMITS HERE, BUT, UH, I'M SURE YOU GUYS WANNA WATCH THIS SUCCEED AND YOU DON'T WANT ANY MODIFICATIONS ON YOUR COP.
SO I AM PRETTY CERTAIN THAT YOU GUYS WILL BE FOLLOWING THE RULES, ELIZABETH.
I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE CONVERSATIONAL.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT, BUT AGAIN, I, I'D AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU.
UM, I'D LIKE TO NOTE, DOES CODE HAVE, UM, NOISE METERS? BECAUSE THAT, NO, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S NOT THE STANDARD.
BUT IS THERE SOME WAY THAT WE CAN SET A STANDARD THAT, BECAUSE FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER PLACES,
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THE, THE ISSUE WITH THE METER IS THAT IF YOU'RE OUT THERE AND A LOUD CAR DRIVES BY, THAT WILL AFFECT THE METER TOO.SO THE METER DOESN'T, DOESN'T DISTINGUISH WHERE THE THE SOUND IS COMING FROM.
AND THAT'S WHAT A, A PERSON CAN DISTINGUISH.
WHERE IS THE SOUND COMING FROM AND IS IT ABOVE CONVERSATIONAL LEVEL? CONVERSATIONAL.
THAT'S THE STANDARD IS CONVERSATIONAL, BUT OKAY.
SOM MOVE IT TO JUNE, JONATHAN.
WE'LL SEE YOU IN A FEW MONTHS.
[5. PB24-0719. 1350 Collins Avenue]
APPLICATIONS PLANNING BOARD FILE 24 0 7 1 9 13 15 COLLINS AVENUE.SO KEEPING ALONG WITH THE LINES OF ENTERTAINMENT.
UM,
THIS IS PP 24 0 7 1 9 FOR 1350 COLLINS AVENUE.
SO THIS APPLICATION IS ONLY BEFORE YOU, NOT FOR AN NAE, BUT FOR A CUP FOR, UM, OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT.
THIS APPLICATION INITIALLY WAS, UM, BEFORE YOU ON JANUARY 7TH AND WAS CONTINUED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT TO THE FEBRUARY MEETING.
AND ON FEBRUARY 4TH THE APPLICATION WAS ALSO CONTINUED TO, TO, TO TODAY'S MEETING IN ORDER FOR THE APPLICANT TO PERFORM ADDITIONAL, UM, SOUND TESTS.
AND I'LL GO OVER THOSE, UM, RESULTS THAT, UM, PLANNING STEP ALSO PARTICIPATED IN AS PART OF OUR, UM, OUR REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION.
SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT AS PART OF A NEW RESTAURANT ON THIS HISTORIC SITE.
THIS WOULD, AS PROPOSED CONSIST OF EITHER A DJ OR LIVE MUSIC.
AND THE HOURS AND DAYS PROPOSED ARE FRIDAYS FROM 7:00 PM TO 11:00 PM SATURDAYS FROM NOON TO 4:00 PM AND FROM 7:00 PM TO 11:00 PM AND SUNDAYS FROM 11:30 AM UM, TO 6:00 PM NOW, AS NOTED IN OUR STAFF REPORT, THIS PROPERTY IS RELATIVELY NARROW, ONLY 50 FEET WIDE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO OTHER, UM, RESIDENTIAL AND HOTEL PROJECTS.
UM, MOST NOTABLY THE, UM, THE CLOSELY THE MOST, UM, CLOSELY AFFECTED PROPERTIES ARE THE, UM, THE SHEPLEY HOTEL ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND COMMODORE, UM, HOTEL, WHICH IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING CONVERTED TO, UM, I BELIEVE APARTMENTS IN THE FUTURE ON THE NORTH SIDE.
NOW, STAFF DID GO OUT THERE AS PART OF THE SOUND TEST AND, UH, PARTICIPATED IN THAT AND FOUND THAT AT AN AMBIENT LEVEL, UM, THE SOUND WAS NOT READILY APPARENT IN THE, IN THE ADJACENT, UM, UM, HOTEL ROOMS, PLAYING IT AT AMBIENT BACKGROUND MUSIC, WHICH IS WHAT THE LEVEL OF THE CODE ALLOWS WITHOUT REQUIRING THE CUP.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE BEFORE BECAUSE THEY'RE ASKING TO HAVE, UM, ENTERTAINMENT ABOVE AMBIENT LEVEL.
NOW, ONCE, AS PART OF THE SOUND TEST, THE SOUND WAS TURNED UP TO ABOVE AMBIENT LEVEL.
YOU COULD CLEARLY HEAR THAT MUSIC, UM, WITHIN THE HOTEL ROOMS OF THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS, EVEN WITH THE, UM, AIR CONDITIONING GOING IN THE CASE OF THE, OF THE SHEPLEY, UM, HOTEL TO THE, TO THE SOUTH.
SO BASED UPON, UM, THE SITE CONDITIONS AND STEPS EXPERIENCE WITH THE SOUND STUDY, UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT AT THIS TIME THE ONLY, UM, UM, PROVISIONS THAT THE, THAT THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVE AS PART OF THE COP IS, UM, POSSIBLY HAVING A DJ WITH AMBIENT LEVEL MUSIC ONLY ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS BETWEEN 12 AND 4:00 PM AND OTHER TIMES THEY COULD HAVE AMBIENT BACKGROUND MUSIC, NO DJ, BUT THEY'D BE LIMITED TO HAVING A DJ 12 TO FOUR SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS AT AN AMBIENT BACKGROUND LEVEL, NOT TO INTERFERE WITH NORMAL CONVERSATION.
UM, THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UM, THE APPLICANT, MR. DE LA PUENTE FOR HIS PRESENTATION.
BOB FUENTE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT LAW OFFICES AT 1200 BRICKELL AVENUE.
UM, WITH ME TODAY IS OWNERSHIP REPRESENTED BY MUSTAFA KORU AS WELL AS, UM, UH, JAMIL DIBB, WHO'S ALSO A RESTAURANT OPERATOR.
UM, HE ALSO OPERATES MERCADO PES KOREA PAPER FISH AND BARCO.
UM, ALSO WITH US IS BROOKS ACOUSTICS, UH, BENNETT BROOKS AND DENNIS SCH WATKIN.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM EXTENSIVELY BECAUSE AS MICHAEL MENTIONED, WE DO UNDERSTAND THE CONSTRAINTS OF THIS SITE.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, UH, HOTELS ON BOTH SIDES AND WE HAVE A NARROW LOT AND WE WERE VERY CAREFUL FROM THE BEGINNING TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THESE ISSUES THAT MICHAEL HAS OUTLINED.
SO WE HAVE HAD EXTENSIVE MEETINGS, UM, WITH STAFF AND EXTENSIVE MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
WE ACTUALLY CONDUCTED FIRST A ZOOM MEETING WHERE WE SENT OUT AN INVITATION TO EVERYONE WHO WAS RECEIVING, UM, THE NOTICE OF THIS APPLICATION.
AND THEN WE ALSO FOLLOWED THAT UP WITH ANOTHER ONSITE MEETING THE NEXT DAY.
YOU KNOW, AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE, THOSE ARE NOT NECESSARILY WELL ATTENDED.
SO FOR THE ZOOM MEETING, WE HAD ONE PERSON ATTEND, ACTUALLY FROM TEXAS.
UM, AND WE HEARD NO COMPLAINTS FROM HIM.
HE'S SEASONAL AND, UM, YOU KNOW, LIVES ON, I GUESS ON OCEAN DRIVE.
BUT, UH, HE SEEMED OKAY WITH THE APPLICATION AND WE, WE RECEIVED NO OTHER OBJECTIONS FROM HIM.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAD THE MOST CONNECTIONS AND THE MOST CONTACT WITH THE SHEPLEY HOTEL AND, UM, HE'S HERE TODAY ALSO.
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STAFF SEVERAL TIMES AND AGAIN WITH HIM JUST NOW, SORRY, THAT'S WHY I WAS RUNNING IN.UM, AND WE ALSO MET WITH A COMMODORE, WHICH IS JUST NEXT DOOR.
AND WE MET MOST RECENTLY WITH THE COMMODORE LAST WEEK.
AND THAT MEETING ACTUALLY WENT WELL.
AND THEY, THEY EXPRESSED NO OBJECTIONS TO OUR PROPOSED ORIGINAL HOURS.
SO, UM, WHAT WE HAVE NOW, I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO, UM, AGREE TO WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS, UM, BUT THEN I JUST LEARNED NOW THAT THE OPERATIONAL PLAN IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UM, MICHAEL'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD'VE BEEN OKAY, HAD WE BEEN PLANNING ON DOING BRUNCH FOR THE FIRST FIVE MONTHS, BUT WE ARE NOT.
SO, UM, OUR REQUEST WOULD BE TO FORGET THE BRUNCH AND ALLOW US TO DO AMBIENT LEVEL ONLY WITH A DJ, BUT AMBIENT LEVEL ONLY, UH, FOR DINNERS ON FRIDAYS FROM 7:00 PM TO 11:00 PM OKAY.
JUST TO DIRECT US TO THE PROVISION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE, OUR OPERATIONAL HOURS IN THE CUP THAT, THAT, THAT MICHAEL, THAT YOU WOULD'VE BEEN OKAY WITH, BUT YOU'RE NOT, SINCE YOU'RE NOT DOING BRUNCH.
NO, MICHAEL HAD, UH, RECOMMENDED, UM, DJ AMBIENT LEVEL ONLY ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS FROM 12 TO FOUR.
SO WE DON'T NEED, THAT'S ON PAGE, THAT'S ON PAGE 57 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES.
YEAH, I SEE IT UNDER CONDITIONS.
SO, UM, BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'RE MODIFYING WHAT THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS, WHICH WAS 2:00 AM RIGHT? SO YOU GUYS ARE NOW ASKING FOR 11.
THAT WAS OUR ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL REQUEST.
AND THAT WAS SUBSEQUENTLY MODIFIED ACTUALLY PRIOR TO FEBRUARY TO BE ONLY UNTIL 11:00 PM 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN CONTINUING THIS DIALOGUE AS WE'VE BEEN GOING ALONG AND LISTENING TO THE ISSUES.
SO THEN WE REDUCE THEM AND THEN WE REDUCE THEM AGAIN.
AND THEN NOW WE'RE BACK TO, OH, NOW WE'RE ONLY AT FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS FROM SEVEN TO 11:00 PM AND THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO ALLOW US TO DO THAT FOR NOW.
AND THEN THIS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO FURTHER TESTING OF COURSE.
'CAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, OUR SOUND ENGINEERS HERE, UM, WE JUST SPOKE WITH OUR NEIGHBOR AND WE SAID WE ARE OBVIOUSLY, OBVIOUSLY WILLING TO FURTHER ADJUST AND FURTHER ADJUST.
WE ALREADY HAVE FURTHER, THERE'S A COURTYARD THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE PLANS THAT IS THE MAIN SOURCE OF CONCERN FOR HIM BECAUSE IT, THAT'S WHERE IT'S OPEN TO HIS BUILDING.
AND UH, WE ALREADY HAVE SOLUTIONS ON HOW TO FURTHER LIMIT THE SOUND THAT'S COMING FROM THOSE SPEAKERS WHILE KEEPING IT A LITTLE BIT LOUDER ON THE INTERIOR PART OF THE COURTYARD WHERE HE'S NOT EXPOSED.
SO WE ARE, WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK IN 90 DAYS FOR A PROGRESS REPORT ANYWAY.
SO WE WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU ALLOW US TO OPERATE WITH THOSE LIMITED HOURS AND THEN SEE HOW WE ARE AT THE 90 DAYS.
AND THEN I'M HOPEFUL THAT AT THAT POINT WE COULD ADD MORE.
'CAUSE THE BRUNCH WILL BE COMING THEN.
AND IF IT'S NOT GOOD, THEN IT IS WHAT IT IS, THEN YOU, WE DEAL WITH IT THAT WAY.
BUT THAT WOULD BE, AND HIS HOTEL IS THE CLOSEST DIRECT NEIGHBOR.
SO WE HAVE TWO, WE HAVE THE SHEPLEY AND THE COMMODORE ON EITHER SIDE.
THE COMMODORE WAS OKAY WITH OUR PLAN.
UM, HE HAS DIFFERENT CONCERNS AND THAT'S FAIR.
AND WE'RE HERE TO TRY TO ADDRESS HIS CONCERNS.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE OUR REQUEST.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, SO BENNETT IS HERE.
HE CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU, UM, HOW HE DID OUR TESTING, UM, AND WHAT FURTHER MEASURES CAN BE TAKEN.
OBVIOUSLY BEFORE WE'RE OPERATIONAL AND BEFORE WE GET OUR CERTIFICATE OF USE, MICHAEL WOULD COME BACK OUT FOR THAT SOUND CALIBRATION TO MAKE SURE THE CITY'S OKAY WITH WHATEVER THIS BOARD ORDERS.
AND WE'D ALSO HAVE CODE COMPLIANCE PROBABLY PRESENT ALSO, SO THAT EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO THERE'S NOT DIFFERENT, LIKE A MOVING GOAL POST FOR US.
UH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, SO IF YOU HAD NO INTENTION OF BEING A BAR, UM, WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR A DJ? AND ALSO, UH, YOU'VE ALREADY HAD ONE VIOLATION AND YOU HAVEN'T EVEN OPENED.
THAT WAS FOUR SPEAKERS MOUNTED ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT ARE FACING COLLINS.
AND I HAVE A, I MEAN, I'VE GOT AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
AND, UM, I APOLOGIZE ON BEHALF OF THE CLIENT FOR THAT.
THAT WAS A PREMATURE INSTALLATION.
OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS NO, IT'S NOT APPROVED YET.
UM, THERE WAS NOBODY MONITORING WHO'S INSTALLING THE SPEAKERS.
SO, AND AS FAR AS THE, THE SOUND VIOLATION, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IT WAS FROM ONE OF THE WORKERS WITH A RADIO.
IT'S NOT THE SOUND VIOLATION HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS THE PROBLEM IS THE SPEAKERS BEING MOUNTED ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING FACING COLLINS? YEAH, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY, I, I THINK WHAT WE RECOMMEND THAT THEY INSTALL SPEAKERS THAT WERE LOWER TO THE GROUND ALONG COLLINS AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS ON THE BUILDING.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ANYTHING ON COLLINS AT ALL.
AND THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S THE BOARD'S ORDER, THEN WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.
BUT THE IDEA WITH THE OUTSIDE SPEAKERS WAS NEVER TO BE ABOVE AMBIENT LEVEL ANYWAY.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SHARING THE PARTY WITH COLLINS AVENUE.
UM, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN THE PACKAGE THAT THIS IS A ANOTHER ADDITION, A GOOD ADDITION, WE BELIEVE TO COLLINS AVENUE.
THIS IS GONNA BE A VERY HIGH END RESTAURANT.
THERE ARE SIX SUITES THAT ARE PART OF THIS A THOUSAND DOLLARS A NIGHT.
UM, I BELIEVE YOU SAW THE PHOTOS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN BRING THEM UP.
IT WAS PART OF OUR, BUT THE SUITES ARE NOT MY ISSUE.
THE SUITES ARE, WE'RE NOT HERE FOR, FOR BEDS.
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YOU KNOW, HEADS AND BEDS.BUT THE SUITES ARE SORT OF PART AND PARCEL OF THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE OUR GUESTS THAT ARE GONNA BE PAYING A THOUSAND DOLLARS A NIGHT.
THEY ARE NOT GONNA WANNA BE DISTURBED EITHER.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT THIS IS AN ELEVATED SORT OF PROPERTY AND THE HO THE RESTAURANT IS PART OF THAT.
SO, AND I DO HAVE, LET ME, UM, ASK, UM, UH, JAMIL TO COME UP AND ADDRESS, UM, YOUR QUESTION.
'CAUSE AS LONG AS HE'S HERE, HE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
UH, LOOK, THIS IS, UH, YOU ARE WHO? I'M SORRY.
YOU JAMIL LIP, RIGHT? WHAT'S YOUR ROLE? I'M CO-FOUNDER OF BE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND, UH, LOOK, WE'RE PART OF EVERY BOARD OF LINCOLN ROAD OCEAN DRIVE, ESPANOLA WAY.
WE'RE NOT BAR NIGHTCLUB PEOPLE.
NOW THE, THE, THE RESTAURANT WORLD IS BEING CHANGING CONSTANTLY.
SO NOW YOU WANNA HAVE A NICE DINNER AND MAYBE SOME KIND OF ENTERTAINMENT.
WE HAVE AS, AS BOB SAID, SIX SUITES OF A THOUSAND DOLLARS A NIGHT.
SUPER CHEF FROM NAPOLI SUPER KITCHEN.
IT'S GONNA BE LIKE AN INCREDIBLE A TO MIAMI BEACH.
WE INVEST A LOT OF MONEY AND WE DON'T HAVE PLANS TO HAVE LIKE LOUD MUSIC BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA AFFECT OURSELVES.
IT'S GONNA BE SUPER AMBIENT MUSIC AND MAYBE IT'S GONNA BE THE MOST ROMANTIC PLACE IN MIAMI.
FIRST VIOLATION ABOUT PARTY, WE SHUT IT DOWN.
AND I WOULD NOT CALL IT DJ, I WOULD CALL IT MUSIC PROGRAMMER.
SO THE IDEA WAS TO HAVE VERY LIGHT.
WE HAVE THE PLAYLIST TO, IT'S VERY CHILL, VERY NICE.
AND THEN MAYBE, MAYBE THE VIOLIN WAS A BAD IDEA.
IF WE AFFECT ANY HOTEL, WE JUST REMOVE IT IMMEDIATELY.
WE DON'T WANNA, WE'RE NOT HERE TO LOSE TIME.
WE'RE TRYING JUST TO MAKE AS BEST AS WE CAN.
WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO MAKE NOISE LIKE THIS.
WE HATE THE NOISE OF COLLINS AVENUE.
WE HATE THE NOISE OF OCEAN DRIVE.
IF WE CAN REMOVE THE SPEAKERS EVERYWHERE, IT WOULD BE THE MOST AMAZING, UH, LIKE NEWS.
BUT LIKE ACROSS THE STREET, WE HAVE A PLACE THAT MAYBE THE NOISE, IT'S GONNA BE THREE TIMES MORE THAN US.
SO WE, WE ARE NOT ABOUT THE NOISE, WE'RE ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
UH, MIAMI'S GETTING, UH, EVERY TIME MORE LIKE COMPETED FROM ALL OVER THE PLANET, PLACES EVERYWHERE.
IT'S NOT ANYMORE JUST ABOUT THE FULL, ABOUT THE SERVICE, IT'S ATMOSPHERE.
CAN I ASK A, THE DJ, IS HE GONNA BE OUTSIDE OR INSIDE? LOOK, WE HAVE A, A LIKE A INSIDE PATIO AND IT'S GONNA BE, UH, LIKE IN THE INTERIOR, BUT OUTSIDE.
AND WE HAVE ALL THE TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE TO WORK WITH OUR NEIGHBOR.
AS WE WORK WITH, WE WANT 20 RESTAURANTS IN MIAMI BEACH.
WE'RE KNOWN BECAUSE WE WORK FOR, WITH, WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE CAN, MAYBE IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LOUD.
MAYBE WE CAN PUT A LOWER, LOWER, LOWER.
THEY CAN HAVE MY PERSONAL CONTACT AS, UH, IN NEWS CAFE.
NEWS CAFE, WE HAVE A OFFICE ON TOP OF US AND WE WORK WITH THEM.
I, I KNOW YOU'RE IN THE MXC, BUT IN OTHER AREAS WE'VE BEEN ENCOURAGING, UH, NOISE LIMITERS SO THAT THERE IS NO WAY IT COULD GO ABOVE 65 OR 70.
WHATEVER WE DECIDE, WE'RE FINE.
DO YOU HAVE THAT IN THE PROPOSAL NOW? YEAH, WE, WE, WE HAVE THAT.
WE HAVE THAT AND WE HAVE A SOUND LIMITER.
AND, AND THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THE NOISE CONTROLLER, THE NOISE, UH, IN SPANISH.
I DON'T, WE CAN PUT IT NEXT TO HIS PROPERTY.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU THINK OF DJ, MAYBE THAT'S THE WRONG TERM.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S AN OXY HORN TO SAY DJ AND AMBIENT BECAUSE YOU'RE THINKING BASS AND BASS IS THE MOST TRAVELS THE FARTHEST AND FACT, UH, I KNOW LIVING NEXT TO NIKKI'S BEACH, THAT YOU COULD BE NEXT TO IT AND YOU'RE NOT HEARING THE TREBLE.
BUT IF YOU WALK 200 YARDS AWAY, YOU'RE HEARING THE BASE GOING BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM.
SO I JUST, YOU GOTTA HAVE THE, THE WHOLE SPECTRUM IMMEDIATELY.
WE CAN FIX IT FROM OUR PHONE, FROM WHEREVER WE ARE.
LOOK, WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO MAKE MONEY AND HAVE A FIGHT WITH THE NATURE.
WE REMOVE SPEAKERS AND WE REMOVE THE MUSIC PROGRAMMER AND WE FOCUS ON THE, ON THE FOOD.
BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO, TO HAVE A FIGHT WITH, AND HE'S A HOTELIER.
WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA LET HIM SPEAK.
BUT TO KEITH'S POINT, SO I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS WEIRD THAT YOU COULD HAVE A STEREO WITHOUT A DJ, BUT YET IF YOU PUT A DJ THERE WITH THE EXACT SAME VOLUME, YOU CAN, I FIND THAT RIDICULOUS.
BUT TO HIS POINT, I THINK THE PERCEPTION IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A DJ, HE GETS OUTTA CONTROL AND THE BASS STARTS COMING.
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HIS RECOMMENDATION.I DON'T, I DON'T CARE IF YOU HAVE A DJ TO ME, IT'S ABOUT THE NOISE THAT IT'S MAKING NOISE.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, LET'S, LET'S GO ON WITH THE HEARING AND, AND ARE YOU, ARE YOU ALL FINISHED THROUGH PLACE? YEAH, JUST, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, UM, YEAH, THERE IS A LOCKED SYSTEM.
THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN CHANGE THE SETTINGS ARE GONNA BE THE MANAGER AND THE SOUND ENGINEER.
SO THAT THERE'S PROTECTION THAT WAY AND WHATEVER LEVEL IT IS.
I'LL JUST, UM, SAY THAT WHEN WE INITIALLY, WHEN WE DID THESE TESTS LAST THURSDAY, UM, OUR SOUND ENGINEER BENNETT BASED THAT ON A PRIOR PROJECT WHERE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THE CODE DOESN'T GO BY NUMBERS.
BUT THE NUMBERS THAT WE USED FOR THIS TEST WERE NUMBERS THAT WORKED FOR A PROJECT IN OCEAN DRIVE.
AND WHEN WE WERE THERE WITH MICHAEL, THEN WE LEARNED THAT THOSE NUMBERS FOR ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WAS MORE RECENTLY APPROVED HAD BEEN LOWERED.
AND SO THOSE ARE NOT THE NUMBERS WE USED, BUT WE CAN USE THOSE NUMBERS.
SO WE'RE, THERE'S ABSOLUTE FLEXIBILITY HERE.
LIKE YOU SAID, WE ALSO DON'T UNDERSTAND IF THE NOISE LEVEL'S, THE NOISE LEVEL DJ OR NOT.
BUT YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY UNDER THE, THE WAY THE CODE IS, ONCE THERE'S A DJ, IT MAKES IT SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO LET'S HEAR HIS, I WANNA HEAR FROM HIM AND THEN, AND AFTER WE HEAR HIS CONCERNS, AND MAYBE YOUR SOUND GUY CAN, CAN, PERFECT.
AND, AND I'M SORRY MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO FIRST ASK THE BOARD IF ANYONE HAS ANY DISCLOSURES TO MAKE OH, OKAY.
SO KEITH, UM, WHENEVER THERE'S AN APPLICATION LIKE THIS, IF YOU MET WITH OR, OR COMMUNICATED? NO ONE.
THIS WHOLE BOOK, TALK TO NO ONE.
ANY OTHER, ANY DISCLOSURES TO MAKE ABOUT ANYBODY? NOPE.
JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF WITH YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN GO.
UH, MY NAME IS JUAN PABLO NORIO.
SO I'M THE OWNER OF THE SHEPLEY HOTEL, UH, THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH OF THE RESTAURANT, UH, APPLICANT.
UH, I, I DID SEND, UH, A LETTER A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, UH, WHERE I DO THINK I EXPRESSED MY, MY CONCERNS WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, SOUND LEVEL OF THE PROJECT.
AND, AND WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE, UH, THE PROPERTY NEXT TO US BEING REDEVELOPED.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND, UH, ENTREPRENEURSHIP.
AND I'M, I'M GLAD THAT SOMETHING IS GOING TO BE DONE.
UH, WE'VE SEEN FIVE OR SIX CONCEPTS, UH, NEXT DOOR THROUGHOUT THIS LAST 20 YEARS, AND IT'S GLAD THAT, UH, THAT SOMETHING'S COMING THERE.
UH, WE DID THE TESTS LAST WEEK AND, AND AGAIN, UH, WE RUN A HOTEL.
UH, WHEN YOU ARE IN YOUR HOTEL ROOM, YOU HAVE THE EXPECTATION OF SILENCE.
AND, UH, WE AS HOTELIERS, WE WANT TO BE THE ONES THAT CONTROL THE EXPERIENCE OF OUR GUESTS.
WE DON'T WANT THE EXPERIENCE OF OUR GUESTS BEING CONTROLLED FROM OUTSIDE THE HOTEL THE SAME WAY THAT THEY WOULDN'T WANT THE EXPERIENCE OF THEIR CLIENT TO BE CONTROLLED FROM THE HOTEL.
AND I THINK THAT'S A BASIC RULE.
UH, WE SOMETIMES GET STUCK WITH THE CONCEPT OF THE AMBIENCE, AMBIENCE PLUS AMBIENCE, BUT NOT SO AMBIENCE.
FOR US, IT'S VERY CLEAR, IF I CAN LISTEN TO YOUR MUSIC FROM WITHIN THE ROOM, THAT'S NOT GOOD TO US.
AND THAT'S NOT GOOD BECAUSE, UH, WE LIVE IN A TIME WHERE OUR GUESTS WILL HAVE AN IMMEDIATE IMPACT BY EXPRESSING, I CAN SEE THE REVIEW ALREADY EXPRESSING, MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT ASSIGNED TO THE ROOMS THAT ARE FACING, UH, THE, THE SOUTH, THE NORTH PART, OR, AND THIS IS AN IMMEDIATE THING.
UH, I, I, I ALSO OWN THE LESLIE HOTEL AT OCEAN DRIVE.
I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH MUSIC AND, UH, RESTAURANT OPERATORS FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS.
ONE THING IS WHAT GOES ONTO THE BOOKS.
ONE THING IS WHAT HAPPENS ON A DAY BY DAY BASIS.
THE LIMITS THAT WE PUT TO THE SYSTEMS ARE VERY EASILY OVERRIDE.
AND, AND SOMEHOW WHEN SOMEBODY OPERATING BELIEVES THAT VOLUME MAKES A BETTER, UH, IMPRESSION TO THEIR CLIENTS, NOBODY WILL HESITATE TO DO SO.
BY THE TIME I HAVE FIVE REVIEWS ON A WEEKEND EXPRESSING THAT IT'S TOO LOUD, WE'RE DONE.
WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND CHOICE.
ONCE THAT'S OUT THERE, AND IT'S AN EXPEDIA, TRAVELOCITY, TRIPADVISOR AND BOOKING.COM, EVERYBODY AGREEING WITH THE SAME PROBLEM, WE'RE DONE.
IT TAKES YOU 20 YEARS TO BUILD SOMETHING AND IT TAKES YOU FIVE REVIEWS ON A ROW TO DESTROY.
RIGHT? SO WE ALL WE'RE AFRAID OF THAT.
AND OUR RULE IS SIMPLE, RIGHT? IF WE CAN LISTEN TO THE MUSIC INSIDE THE ROOM, WE'RE NOT GOOD FOR THAT.
WE DID THE TEST WITH THE FOUR DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND WHAT
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HAPPENED, AND ONLY THE AMBIENT MUSIC SCENARIO WAS BARELY LISTENED TO FROM WITHIN THE ROOM.EVERY OTHER SCENARIO, WHETHER IT WAS A VIOLINIST, AND THIS IS A RESTAURANT THAT IS CLOSED, NO PEOPLE CHATTING AND NO MUSIC ON TOP OF THAT.
SO THAT'S THE BEST CASE SCENARIO.
IT WAS STILL VERY AUDIBLE WITHIN THE ROOM WITH THE DOORS, WITH THE HIGH IMPACT GLASS WINDOWS CLOSED.
IF WE CAN KEEP THE NOISE TO THE AMBIENCE LEVEL THAT IS NOT AUDIBLE FROM THE HOTEL'S, UH, PLACE, I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
BECAUSE, UH, IF IT'S NOT AUDIBLE FROM THE HOTEL, WHAT CAN I SAY? SO THE SPECS OF HOW THAT GETS WRITTEN INTO A, INTO A NORM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TRICKY.
BUT, BUT THE EXPECTATION THAT WE HAVE IS VERY CLEAR.
WE DO NOT WANT TO CONTROL THE EXPER.
WE WANT TO CONTROL THE EXPERIENCE OF OUR GUESTS OURSELVES.
WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE CONTROLLED.
SO YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE NO ONE IN A HOTEL ROOM HEARS ANYTHING.
FOR THE HOTEL ROOM, UNFORTUNATELY, THIS FACE IS AN OUTDOOR PATIO.
THERE USED TO BE A SWIMMING POOL THERE, IT WAS THE SWIMMING POOL OF A HOUSE, AND NOW THERE'S NO MORE SWIMMING POOL.
AND, AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL AREA.
AND, AND IT'S A VERY, VERY CL WE HAVE A FIVE FOOT SETBACK.
AND YEAH, IT'S, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY IN YOUR COMMENTS NOW, UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING JUST AS IS RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN BARELY OR SOMETIMES HEAR SOME NOISE IN THE ROOM.
SO THIS IS WITHOUT A RESTAURANT, SO FORGET THE MUSIC.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT EVEN WITH THE RESTAURANT, YOU'RE AT RISK TO HEARING NOISE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, JUST, JUST TO REVIEW WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY, UH, UM, I THINK THE MAIN CONVERSATION IS GONNA BE AROUND THE ENTERTAINMENT, RIGHT? AND SO WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, LIKELY THIS IS GONNA BE A RESTAURANT NEXT TO YOU.
UM, YOU MAY BE EXPOSED TO NOISE IN THESE ROOMS BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
EITHER WAY, WE, WE, WE WILL BE EXPOSED NO MATTER WHAT TO THE NORMAL, UH, CONVERSATIONAL LEVEL OF A RESTAURANT THAT IS ALMOST THERE.
UH, SO THAT'S, UH, INEVITABLE.
UH, USUALLY MUSIC ENHANCES THAT, UH, AMOUNT OF, OF, OF NOISE.
THE ONLY TOOLS THAT WE HAD SO FAR IS JUST PLAYING THE MUSIC AND TESTING FROM WITHIN.
UH, MICHAEL CAME WITH HIS TESTER.
WE DID FOUR DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, AND SO WE, WE GRABBED THAT INFORMATION, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR.
SO YOUR ASK IS BASICALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, YOU'RE NOT AGAINST THE CONCEPT OF HAVING THE OMNI, THE OMNI MUSIC AND THE ENTERTAINMENT.
YOU JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RESPECTING THE AMBIENT.
I, I, AGAIN, I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO INFLUENCE OF THE MUSIC INSIDE MY ROOM AS PER WHAT MICHAEL, UH, TESTED WHEN THE AMBIENCE MUSIC WAS ON.
THERE'S NO PEOPLE, THERE'S NO CROWD.
IT WAS NOT AUDIBLE FROM INSIDE THE ROOM.
EVERY OTHER SCENARIO WAS OKAY.
SO YOU WOULD, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING YOU, YOU WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH AMBIENT MUSIC AS LONG AS IT'S MONITORED.
AND WITH THE MICHAEL, WHAT WERE THE, BUT THERE, THERE'S, EXCUSE ME ONE SECOND.
WHAT WERE THE OTHER, UH, WHEN THEY RAISED, OTHER THAN AMBIENT, WHAT WERE THE OTHER, THEY RAISED THE LEVEL ABOVE AMBIENT.
AND THEN IT WAS PLAINLY AUDIBLE ON THE INSIDE, EVEN WITH THE AIR CONDITIONING RUNNING.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE'S GOTTA BE AMBIENT.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S JUAN POP WAS RECOMMENDING ANYTHING.
AND THEN THERE WAS A MIX OF AMBIENCE, UH, AND THERE WAS A INTENDEDLY, LIKE A AMBIENCE, MUSIC VIOLINIST.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT STARTS WORKING OUT WITH A, A COMBINATION OF IT WAS NO, NO AMBIANCE ANYMORE.
UH, SO IT'S, IT'S VERY TRICKY.
BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANOTHER WAY THAN JUST TESTING, TESTING WHAT'S ALLOWED OR ALL.
OF COURSE, I'M AFRAID THAT WHATEVER YOU TEST MAKES SENSE ON PAPER AND WHAT HAPPENS ON A DAY BY DAY BASIS, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW.
AND, AND I RUN A RESTAURANT A BLOCK FROM THERE.
AND YOU MEAN THAT THEY WON'T ADHERE TO THE, TO THE AMBIENT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL, IT'S, IT'S, YES.
IT'S, IT'S, UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS VERY SENSITIVE FOR THE HOTEL BECAUSE WE HAVE VERY SMALL REACTION CAPACITY WHEN THINGS HAPPEN.
SO YOU MIGHT, UH, GO ABOVE THAT LEVEL.
WE'RE ALREADY ON, ON ON DARK WATER.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN TELL THE GUESTS, COME BACK, WE UNDERSTAND WEEK, AND YOU'LL FIGURE OUT THAT NOW WE'RE GONNA BE DOING BETTER.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO SENSITIVE FOR US.
MY, UM, IS THERE ANYONE ON ZOOM? THERE'S NOBODY ON ZOOM WITH THEIR HANDS.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS SPEAK ON THIS? ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, DO YOU WANNA HAVE YOUR, NO.
AND WHAT'S THE PLAN? IT'S, WE, WE'VE BEEN HAVING THIS DIALOGUE AND YES.
AND DENNIS WOULD I, UM, WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU, I'M SORRY.
UH, BENNETT WOOD, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
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YOU KNOW, SO AMBIENT DOES NOT MEAN IT'S GONNA BE SILENT NEXT DOOR, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS CONFINED SITE.SO IT CAN BE AMBIENT ON OUR, AND IT COULD STILL BE HEARD.
SO THAT'S THE, AND LIKE EVERYONE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE AMBIENT MUSIC.
AND, AND I THINK BENNETT WILL EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW THE SOUND SYSTEM, IT CAN BE LOCKED, AND I'LL LET HIM GO THROUGH THAT.
AND, AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, TO ME, IF YOU HAVE MUSIC WHERE IT DOESN'T DISRUPT CONVERSATION AT YOUR TABLE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY HEAR IT IN A HOTEL ROOM NEXT DOOR.
SO THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
BECAUSE ISN'T THE DEFINITION OF AMBIENT THE CODE THAT YOU CAN'T HEAR IT DISRUPTIVE, UH, NICK, THAT THE DEFINITION OF AMBIENT IS THAT AT A VOLUME LEVEL, THAT DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH NORMAL CONVERSATION AT THAT VENUE.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW A HOTEL ROOM WOULD HEAR THAT NEXT DOOR, BUT GO AHEAD.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, I'M BENNETT BROOKS OF BROOKS ACOUSTICS, POMPANO BEACH, FLORIDA.
AND, UH, WE WERE, UH, FORTUNATE AND DELIGHTED TO WORK ON THIS PROJECT.
I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE RENDERINGS AND THE PICTURES, AND MAYBE YOU'VE BEEN THERE TO VISIT.
UM, UH, MICHAEL BELU WAS VERY KIND TO COME AND HELP US, UH, IN THE COMMISSIONING PROCESS THAT, THIS IS NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT FOR THE BOARD, THIS IS WHAT WAS LEFT ON THE DESK.
UM, I, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN ALL THE RENDERINGS.
AT ANY RATE, UM, THE DISCUSSION IS CENTERING AROUND WHAT'S GONNA BE AUDIBLE, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, AND THAT'S VERY CORRECT.
AND THAT'S OUR GOAL, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
UM, THIS PROJECT, AS YOU, AS YOU'VE BEEN TOLD, IS VERY HIGH END.
IT HAS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, MEET, UH, UH, THE EXPECTATIONS OF ITS OWN CLIENTELE.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY EVEN MORE STRICT THAN I WOULD THINK, UH, THE NEIGHBORS.
BUT, UM, THAT BEING SAID, YES, EVERYTHING, UH, THAT HAS BEEN INSTALLED IS UNDER CONTROL.
AND WHEN I I SAY THAT, I MEAN, IT'S, UH, IT'S HARDWIRED AND IT'S SOFTWARE DRIVEN, IT'S PASSWORD PROTECTED.
THE, UH, ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT IS LOCKED IN, UM, CASES AND, AND RACKS, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE HERE IN MIAMI BEACH FOR A LONG TIME NOW, EVERYTHING, THAT'S BASICALLY THE IDEA, MOST OF THE CONDITIONS.
BUT WHEN YOU SAY IT'S LOCKED, IT, WAS IT LOCKED WHEN THEY DID THE TESTING AT A LEVEL WHERE YOU COULD NOT HEAR IT IN THE HOTEL NEXT DOOR? YEAH.
AND FOR, YES, FOR THE AMBIEN, AS YOU HEARD, THAT'S, UH, COULDN'T REALLY HEAR IT IN, IN THE ROOMS EVEN SHUTTING DOWN THE AC.
AND YOU CAN LOCK, YOU CAN LOCK THE VOLUME.
I MEAN, IT'S, UH, IT'S RUN, IT'S RUN FROM A TABLET, UH, FOR THE, FROM THE PHONE, EVERYTHING.
WE HAD EVERY, YOU KNOW, THE SOURCE, WHICH WOULD BE THE DJ IS UP TO, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN PUT ON THE MAX AND THE DRIVING OF THE, UH, SPEAKERS THROUGH THE AMPLIFIERS AND ALL THE ELECTRONICS THAT'S, THAT'S LOCKED, THAT CAN'T BE TOUCHED.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, UM, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.
WE WON'T, YOU KNOW, CALL 'EM A MUSIC PROGRAMMER BECAUSE YOU CAN SET THE, YOU CAN SET THE PROGRAM UP, UH, TO PLAY THE SONGS ALL NIGHT, UH, WITHOUT ANYBODY THERE.
BUT BASICALLY THE, UH, MUSIC PROGRAMMERS THERE TO, YOU KNOW, BE PERSONABLE WITH THE, WITH THE GUESTS.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WITH THAT PERSON BEING THERE.
UM, BUT, UH, TO GO INTO THE DETAIL OF IT, YOU KNOW, ALL PHYSICALLY EVERYTHING IS LOCKED.
THEY ARE ALL SOFTWARE CONTROLLED, AND THEN THE PROGRAM MATERIAL IS ALL SOFTWARE CONTROLLED.
SO, UH, THE SETTINGS FOR EACH AND EVERY LOUDSPEAKER THAT'S INSTALLED THERE IS SOFTWARE CONTROLLED AND SET AND LOCKED.
SO NO ENTERTAINERS CAN MESS WITH IT.
AND, UH, IF THEY TRY, I'M SURE THAT WILL BE THEIR LAST, UH, VISIT.
BUT, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN REST ASSURED THAT WHATEVER IT'S SET AT WILL BE THE MAXIMUM UNDER ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU, THAT YOU REQUIRE.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
AND SO THAT'S, UH, WHY WE HAD THE COMMISSIONING EXERCISE, UH, LAST WEEK TO GO THROUGH AND SET IT UP, UH, BASED ON THE AMBIENT BEING, YOU KNOW, CONVERSATIONAL LEVEL.
AND, UH, SO YES, THERE, THERE ARE GONNA BE CONVERSATIONS THAT'S PHYSICAL, THAT'S PEOPLE, UH, AS FAR AS THE ELECTRONICS THAT'S SET TO ENHANCE THAT AND MAKE THAT A GOOD EXPERIENCE, THAT'S NOT THERE TO COMPETE WITH THE PEOPLE.
UH, SO, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I CAN GO INTO THE DETAILS.
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THE, THE CUP YOU'RE COMFORTABLE IS, IS IS CODIFIED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE TESTING.YOU, YOU OBSERVED YOURSELF? CORRECT.
SO, SO MICHAEL WAS THERE AND, UH, WE'RE PLANNING FURTHER REQUIREMENTS BASED ON, UH, UH, MICHAEL HAD A GREAT SUGGESTION BECAUSE THERE'S SOME SPEAKERS IN THE, THERE'S AN OPEN COURTYARD AREA MM-HMM
AND THEN THERE ARE TWO, UH, LONG BUILDINGS THAT BASICALLY SHIELD THE NEIGHBORS FROM WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND THAT'S WHERE THERE'S DINING IN THERE.
AND, UH, THERE'S A SMALL BAR IN THERE JUST TO SERVICE IT.
AND, UM, SO, SO THE OPEN COURTYARD WHERE THE SWIMMING POOL WAS, THAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE, THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE NEIGHBORS, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING OVER.
SO THERE WERE, THERE'S, UH, UM, A SET OF SPEAKERS OUT THERE THAT, UH, CAN BE INDIVIDUALLY CONTROLLED.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A GROUP OF, YOU KNOW, THIS BLOCK, THIS BLOCK, THIS BLOCK.
EACH ONE IS INDIVIDUALLY CONTROLLED.
AND WE'RE IN, NOW, IN THE PROCESS, WE'RE WORKING TO LET LOWER THE DECIBEL LEVEL OF THAT, OF THE COURTYARD INDIVIDUALLY.
ONCE THAT'S LOCKED, THAT'LL BE PART OF THE COMPLETE SCENE THAT, UH, THAT THEY RUN.
SO THE AMBIENT SCENE WILL BE LOCKED WITH THE COURTYARD REDUCED.
AND THAT SHOULD MAKE IT EVEN LESS AUDIBLE.
WELL, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE THE OUTDOOR SPEAKERS AT A, AT THE LOCKED LEVEL, BUT INDOORS, YOU HAVE IT ABOVE AMBIENT LEVEL AND THE DOORS ARE ALL OPEN AND THE SOUND TRAVELS OUTSIDE FROM INDOORS, AND THEN THAT COMBINES WITH THE OUTDOOR AMBIENT LEVEL.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
WELL, EVERY, THE WHOLE SYSTEM, THE WHOLE SET IS LOCKED TO MEET THAT AMBIENT PROPERTY LINE REQUIREMENT.
WELL, BUT I'M SAYING, HAVE YOU TESTED BECAUSE, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE, YOU WROTE IN THE OPERATIONAL PLAN, NOT YOU, BUT THEY WROTE IN THE OPERATIONAL PLAN THAT ON CERTAIN OCCASIONS THE MUSIC IS PROPOSED TO BE ABOVE AMBIENT LEVELS IN THE RESTAURANT, BUT THE SOUND SYSTEM WILL BE DESIGNED TO PREVENT DISTURBING NEIGHBORS.
AND SO I THINK JONATHAN, I THINK SINCE THAT TIME THEY REVISED THE PROPOSAL, THEY'RE NO LONGER PROPOSING TO HAVE ABOVE AMBIENT LEVEL INSIDE.
THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT CONCERN.
THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT AT THIS, AT THIS, UH, UH, UH, MEETING, WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING TO STICK WITH THE, THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, I THINK THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AS THEY WERE, UH, JUST AGREED TO MODIFY.
YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR DIFFERENT HOURS.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR, UM, 7:00 PM TO 11:00 PM VERSUS OUR RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WAS 12 TO FOUR.
SO THE HOURS, HOURS ARE A BIT DIFFERENT, BUT, UH, THE SYSTEM ITSELF PHYSICALLY, ELECTRONICALLY, EVERYTHING WILL BE LOCKED DOWN.
AND, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REDUCING THE COURTYARD ITSELF, THAT AREA, SO THAT IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE LESS THAN IT WAS WHEN LAST WEEK.
UH, SO THAT WILL MAKE IT EVEN MORE CONDUCIVE, I THINK, TO, FOR THE SATISFACTION.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE, THE COURTYARDS GETTING SMALLER? NO, NO, NO.
THE LOUD SPEAKERS COMING, COMING SPEAKERS ARE COMING DOWN.
REDUCE, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE HOTEL WINDOWS LOOK ONTO, RIGHT.
SO FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT AT NO TIME WOULD IT BE ABOVE, YOU KNOW, BACKGROUND, CONVERSATION LEVEL, BUT WITHIN THE COURTYARD IT'LL BE EVEN LOWER THAN THAT.
AND I THINK PART, PART OF THE THING TOO IS HAVING MORE SPEAKERS THAT HAVE THE, THE VOLUME SMALLER IS BETTER THAN HAVING A FEWER LARGER SPEAKERS THAT HAVE TO PROJECT THE VOLUME FURTHER.
THE POINT, THE POINT IS STILL THE SAME.
YOU HAVE SIX SUB WHOOPERS, YOU HAVE 39 SPEAKERS, SIX LIGHTS, A DJ BOOTH.
THIS IS A BAR, I'M SORRY, THIS IS A BAR.
THIS IS NOT A HIGH-END HOTEL RESTAURANT.
THIS IS, THIS IS, EVEN IF YOU'RE RENTING A THOUSAND DOLLARS A NIGHT, YOU'VE GOT 39 SPEAKERS, FOUR FACING COLLINS, UM, SIX SUBWOOFERS.
UM, YOU'VE GOT A DJ BOOTH, YOU'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF MAIN RACKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I, I USED TO DATE GUYS IN BANDS A LONG TIME AGO.
SO I KIND OF KNOW HOW IT WORKS.
UM, SO MAY I ASK IF THIS IS A VERY SMALL HOTEL, UM, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHY SO MANY SPEAKERS AND LIGHTS AND, AND ALL THAT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S YEAH, SURE.
THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
AND WHY WOULD WE HAVE AGREED TO 12 TO FOUR, UM, ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS AND NO ENTERTAINMENT, UM, ON FRIDAYS, NOR AFTER FOUR ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS? AND NOW WE'RE COMING BACK WITH THIS.
I'M, I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
WELL, THE, THE PHYSICAL LAYOUT THAT YOU POINTED OUT, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, THE MORE SMALLER SPEAKERS YOU HAVE, THE MORE EVEN THE COVERAGE AND THE LESS EACH SPEAKER PUTS OUT.
SO BASICALLY YOU SET IT UP SO THAT, UH, SO THAT THE CLIENTS, THE CUSTOMERS WILL, YOU KNOW, GET AN EVEN COVERAGE.
YOU KNOW, IN THE OLD DAYS WITH
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THE BANDS, ALL THE SPEAKERS WERE UP FRONT AND BY THE STAGE OR WHEREVER THEY WERE.SO, SO THAT THEY HAD TO, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO,
WELL, I MEAN, THEY DIDN'T REALLY DO SURROUND SOUND AND UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME OF THE BIGGER VENUES DO.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANTED TO REACH THE BACK, THEY HAD TO MAKE IT QUITE LOUD IN THE FRONT.
SO THIS KIND OF SYSTEM AVOIDS THAT ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S EVEN ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH A LOT OF SMALL SPEAKERS.
NOW YOU SEE A LOT OF SPEAKERS SAY, WELL, OKAY, THAT'S JUST BASICALLY TO KEEP IT LOWER.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT'S, IT'S, UH, MAYBE COUNTERINTUITIVE, BUT, UH, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU'RE NOT CRANKING UP ONE SPEAKER 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A DEAD SPOT OVER THERE.
UH, AND YOU COULD REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS YOU HAVE.
'CAUSE YOU STILL HAVE THOSE FOUR THAT ARE FACING COLLINS AVENUE.
AND I DID NOTICE THAT YOU HAD SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, YOU HAD SOMETHING ABOUT THEM PROJECTING ONTO COLLINS.
UH, WE'LL REMOVE THE SPEAKERS ON COLLINS.
WELL, I THINK THEY WERE JUST REMOVED.
I, I MEAN, I, OFF FRONT OF I WE'RE NOT PUTTING THEM BACK FOR THE BUILDING.
AND WHAT ABOUT INSIDE? BECAUSE WE, I MEAN, LOOK, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS GENTLEMAN'S, JUAN, IS IT, YOU KNOW, OUR CONCERN IS THE NEIGHBORS.
AND, AND LIKE HE WAS SAYING, IF YOU HAVE A HOTEL, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE RENTING ON COLLINS AVENUE, BUT IF I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T, THAT RUINS HIS, HIS EXPERIENCE FOR HIS CUSTOMERS AT, AT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING SOMETHING AT THE EXPENSE OF HIM AND THE OTHER PEOPLE AROUND.
AND TO PUT TO HER POINT, I MEAN, IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED TO ME.
I MEAN, BUT HE'S RIGHT THAT IF THERE'S ONE BAD EXPERIENCE AND THEY WRITE A REVIEW, AND SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'D LOVE TO GIVE YOU WHAT YOU WANT, BUT YOU JUST GOTTA COMMIT THAT HE'S NOT GONNA HEAR IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S COMPLICATED.
AND TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, I MEAN, MY UNDERSTANDING HAS ALWAYS BEEN EXACTLY WHAT BENNETT IS SAYING IS THAT THE DISTRIBUTIVE SOUND SYSTEM, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS MORE SPEAKERS, IS ACTUALLY MORE CONDUCIVE TO BE ABLE TO BE ABLE, HOW MANY I I, I'M, I'M GONNA JUST SAY I, I'M GONNA DISAGREE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW LARGE THOSE SPEAKERS ARE THAT ARE INSIDE.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S 39 OF THOSE IS PRETTY HEAVY.
WELL, IT'S LIKE A LITTLE BOOKSHELF SPEAKER.
AND THE IDEA IS TO, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE IT, IT'S A, IT'S A DISTRIBUTED SYSTEM AND THE DISTRIBUTED SYSTEM SYSTEMS, I HAVE A SONO, SO IT'S ABOUT THAT SIZE AND BETTER.
BUT I THINK, I THINK, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS, ELIZABETH, BUT I THINK WE'RE NOT THE SOUND EXPERTS HERE.
AND, AND I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE WANT IS THE OUTCOME.
WE'RE ALL AGREEING ON THE OUTCOME THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AND HOW WE GET THERE IS NOT FOR US TO FIGURE OUT, BUT IT'S, BUT IT IS ABOUT THEIR CUP AND THAT IS NOISE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS THAT TECHNOLOGY IS AVAILABLE TO US, TO, THE OTHER THING IS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE, UM, ARCHITECTURE, UH, AFFECTING THE SOUND, WE CAN JUST CONTROL IT WITH EACH LITTLE SPEAKER.
IF WE WANT TO DROP IT DOWN HERE, WE CAN DO THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED TO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ONLY HAVE THREE SPEAKERS OR FOUR OR FIVE, WHATEVER THE NUMBER, THEN YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THE ARCHITECTURE.
BECAUSE BASICALLY YOU'LL HAVE, SOME PEOPLE WILL HEAR IT IN THE, THE FRONT OF THE RESTAURANT AND THEY WON'T HEAR IT IN THE BACK.
THIS WAY, UH, IT'S EVEN COVERAGE AND IT'S CONTROLLABLE.
IT'S ALL SOFTWARE CONTROLLABLE.
UH, WE, WE WERE WALKING AROUND WITH A, WITH A PAD AND CONTROLLING IT FROM THERE.
LIKE, IS THIS OKAY? IS THIS OKAY? AND, UH, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S DONE.
THERE WAS NO RESTAURANT THERE, THERE WAS NO RESTAURANT, THERE WERE NO HOTEL GUESTS, THERE WERE NO PATRONS TALKING, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS NONE THAT, WELL, THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MUSIC IS AT CONVERSATIONAL LEVEL.
SO I WOULD THINK INSIDE THE RESTAURANT AND AT THE, AT THE PROPERTY LINE, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT THE SAME LEVEL AS YOU WOULD, WHETHER IT'S FULL OR NOT, BECAUSE, UH, THE PEOPLE WILL BE THERE AT CONVERSATIONAL LEVEL.
YOU GET A, YOU GET PEOPLE TALKING, SOMEONE'S GONNA LAUGH, SOMEONE'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT NORMAL CONVERSATION IS, IS THAT'S WHAT THE SYSTEM'S DESIGNED FOR TOO.
ENHANCE THAT, MAKE IT A GREAT EXPERIENCE.
THEY WANT PEOPLE TO, TO BE THERE AND NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A A PARTY PARTY SCENE.
YEAH, YOU, YOU HAD ME UNTIL I HEARD SIX SUBWOOFERS
IT'S VERY LOW AND IT TRAVELS AND IT CAN RATTLE WINDOWS AT AN AMBIENT LEVEL BECAUSE WE'VE EXPERIENCED THIS BEFORE.
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SO WHY SUBS? WHY SUBS THAT, THAT YOU, WHEN THERE IS NO REASON IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FINE DINING AND MUSIC, TO HAVE A SUBWOOFER THAT WAS CREATED BY DJS? WELL, YES, IT WAS CREATED BY DISCOS AND NO ONE NEEDS, UH, SOUND BELOW 20,000 MEGAHERTZ.WHY ARE YOU DOING IT AT A SUBWOOFER ALONE? WELL, BECAUSE THE LITTLE SPEAKERS THAT ARE DISTRIBUTED TO KEEP THE SOUND LEVEL DOWN WOULD WITHOUT THE SUBS TO FILL IN THAT, THAT, UH, LOWER FREQUENCY RANGE, WELL, YOU DON'T NEED ANYTHING BELOW 20.
BUT, UH, MY RADIO, MY, IT IS NOT STANDARD AMBIENCE MUSIC BETWEEN 20,000 MEGAHERTZ UP AND AREN'T SUBWOOFERS DOWN IN THE RANGE WHERE WINDOWS RATTLE.
WELL, YEAH, IF YOU PLAY 'EM LOUD ENOUGH NOW, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M THE GUY THAT MOVED ULTRA THE FIRST TIME THEY BROUGHT IT BACK.
SO I, I'M, I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE, THE CONCEPT, RIGHT? BUT THE IDEA HERE IS THAT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE SPEAKERS WILL SOUND TINNY IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT SUPPORT.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE SPREAD AROUND.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S SIX OF 'EM, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALL IN THE SAME SPOT.
LIKE THEY'RE ON STAGE PROJECTING OUT.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF SPRINKLED AROUND.
YOU THINK, THINK OF IT AS, UH, I DON'T KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF, I'M JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH AN ANALOGY, A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, A SPICE OR HERBS.
YOU DON'T PUT IT ALL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DISH.
SO THE FLAVOR GOES, UH, AROUND, AND THOSE ARE ALL, EVERY, EVERY ELECTRONIC THING IN THAT BUILDING IS LIMITED.
SO IF, UH, THERE'S EVER ANY ISSUE WITH SUBWOOFERS, LOUDSPEAKERS, HOWEVER MANY THEY ARE, UM, UH, OTHER THAN PHYSICALLY REMOVING THEM, THEY CAN BE TURNED TO ZERO AT ANY TIME.
UH, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ISSUE IS, IS IT GOING TO BE CONTROLLED PROPERLY? BECAUSE THERE'S AN ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER EVERYTHING.
SO, BUT SUBWOOFERS AT A LOW MEGAHERTZ LEVEL DO TRAVEL DIFFERENTLY THAN THE NORMAL SET.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANNA, AND THEY DO RATTLE.
WELL, WE DON'T WANNA HEAR THAT NEXT DOOR EITHER.
AND THEY DO PICK UP THE BOUNCING OFF AND ECHOING MAGNIFICATION THAT'S OF WALLS.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S, THAT'S WHY I'M A BUNCH OF THEM.
AND THEY'RE STRATEGICALLY LOCATED AND THEY'RE ALL CONTROLLED BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT OUR NEIGHBOR TO HEAR THAT.
WE DON'T WANT THEM TO HEAR IT.
THEY'LL HAVE TO COME TO THE RESTAURANT IF THEY WANT TO HEAR IT.
I, UM, I HOPE THAT ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.
AND, AND ANY OTHERS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, JUST REMEMBER, CONTROL, CONTROL, CONTROL.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA.
SO THAT WE CAN BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
OH, YOU, YOU KNOW HIM ALREADY.
ANY OTHER, ANYTHING ELSE? I'M GONNA JUMP IN.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, WE SEE SO MANY DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS HERE AND, AND, AND I THINK THE SAME WAY ON A, ON ALL OF 'EM, IT'S, I DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE A PROPERTY, BUT WHEN, WHEN WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE THE FIX OUTSIDE, THEN IT BECOMES AN ISSUE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, YOU CAN HAVE WHOLE DUMB CONCERTS IN THERE.
IF HE CAN'T HEAR IT, I DON'T THINK, HE DON'T THINK HE WOULD CARE, AND I DON'T THINK WE WOULD CARE.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, ON COLLINS AVENUE WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUILDING, ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE CLOSE TOGETHER, FIVE FOOT SETBACKS.
AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE TO, TO DO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND NOT AFFECT THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU TALK ABOUT, UM, LOCKING THE SOUND SYSTEM ONLY SOME PEOPLE HAVE CONTROL, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE HERE, WE HEAR THAT FROM EVERY APPLICANT, BUT ALL IT TAKES IS SOMEONE TO TURN A DIAL AND THE VOLUME GOES UP, WHETHER IT'S A MANAGER OR THE DJ OR WHOEVER.
YOU KNOW, WE DO SOUND STUDIES AND, AND, AND, AND IT ALL LOOKS GOOD OR SOMETIMES LOOKS GOOD.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE COULD ALL BE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD FLUSH 'EM DOWN THE TOILET.
'CAUSE ALL IT TAKES IS SOMEBODY TO TURN THE VOLUME UP AND, AND THERE ARE PROBLEMS. WELL, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT.
UH, AND WE CAN SET IT UP SO THAT IT'LL WORK ABSOLUTELY FINE.
IT'S, UH, IT'S PART OF MANAGEMENT.
AND YOU HAD SOME EARLIER, UH, UH, HEARINGS THIS MORNING WHERE THERE WERE SOME ISSUES.
ULTIMATELY YOU ARE IN CONTROL AND THEN YOU DICTATE THE TERMS AND THEN WE MAKE IT.
WELL, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S MY CONCERN.
AND THIS IS KIND OF MORE DIRECTED TOWARD THE BOARD.
UM, I'VE BEEN UP HERE ABOUT A YEAR AND THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF, UM, CASES LIKE THIS.
AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT TAKES THE
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BOARD, UH, QUITE A LONG TIME TO, TO ACT WHEN THERE'S A VIOLATION.UM, MAYBE THE BOARD, MAYBE IT'S CHANGED, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST YEAR MAYBE WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING BETTER AT THAT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO HIS POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF, UM, ISSUES WHERE SOMEBODY COMPLAINS AND THEN HIS BUSINESS IS, IS IN, IN BAD CONDITIONS.
THE ISSUE WAS TO NOT LET IT HAPPEN INITIALLY.
UM, EVEN WITH EVEN SAYING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THIS, UM, YOU SAID THE OWNER SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, HEY, IF IF WE CAN'T MAKE IT WORK, WE'LL GET RID OF THE SPEAKERS.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE WILL GET RID OF THE ENTERTAINMENT.
I MEAN, THE ONLY THING I WOULD PROPOSE THAT I, I MAY GO ALONG WITH AND STAFF TELL ME IF WE CAN DO THIS, COULD, COULD THEY GET A SORT OF A, UM, PROBATIONARY APPROVAL WHERE LET'S SAY IT GOES FOR TWO OR THREE MONTHS AND AFTER THAT TIME, THE, IT BECOMES NULL AND VOID, BUT THEY WOULD'VE TO COME BACK BEFORE.
AND IF THERE ARE NO VIOLATIONS, UM, WE CAN SORT OF APPROVE IT.
UM, UM, HOW WE'D NORMALLY WOULD, I THINK WE, WHAT WE COULD DO, UM, IS LIKE WE HAVE DONE BEFORE, HAVE A HAVE A SCHEDULED PROGRESS REPORT.
BUT I'M, I'M, NO, I DON'T, WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.
AND THEN IT COMES BACK TO US AND WE SET IT FOR A REVOCATION HEARING AND THEY'RE GOOD FOR A FEW MONTHS, MAYBE A VIOLATION, MAYBE NOT.
AND THEN IT'S GONNA, WE'RE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, UM, UM, UH, DISMISS IT AND THEN A FEW MONTHS GO BY AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE ANOTHER VIOLATION.
THIS IS JUST WHAT WE SEE ALL THE TIME.
SO THROUGH THE CHAIR OF, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF WHAT WE PROPOSED AT THE BEGINNING WAS TO ALLOW US TO OPERATE WITH OUR PROPOSED HOURS AND WITH THE REDUCED SOUND LEVELS SUBJECT TO STAFF'S APPROVAL WITH THE TESTING PRIOR.
AND THEN AT OUR, WHAT WOULD BE THE 90 DAY PROGRESS, WE WOULD KEEP THIS APPLICATION OPEN AND CONTINUE IT UNTIL THE POINT IS, SO VOCATIONS, ONCE WE GIVE IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR US TO REVOKE IT, IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
SO LEMME CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE WHAT I'M THINKING IN MY MIND IS, OPEN UP YOUR RESTAURANT, HAVE PEOPLE THERE, HAVE YOUR DESIGN, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER YOU'RE GONNA BE HAVING IT, BECAUSE THAT WILL CHANGE THE WAY THAT THE SOUND TRAVELS AND THE AMOUNT OF HAVING 50 TO A HUNDRED PEOPLE IN THE RESTAURANT WILL CHANGE THE WAY THE SOUND TRAVELS.
AND ONCE YOU'RE THERE, ONCE YOU HAVE IT OPEN, ONCE EVERYTHING'S IN THE WAY THAT THE TABLES ARE WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, THE CHAIRS ARE WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, THEN COME BACK TO US AND PROVE TO US THAT IT WON'T BE HEARD FROM THE HOTEL ROOMS. 'CAUSE THE PROBLEM IS, IS THE, THE WAY THAT THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS SET UP, IT, IT'S TO THE DETRIMENT OF, OF SAID THIS BEFORE ON THE, ON THE PANEL, IT'S TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE NEIGHBORS, THE RESIDENTS, THE HOTEL GUESTS NEXT DOOR.
BECAUSE YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN A, THE N IT'S A, IT'S 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, THE NEIGHBORS ARE WITH THEIR KIDS AT HOME AND THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO OPEN THE DOOR FOR A CODE COMPLIANCE PERSON AND, BUT THEY MAKE THE PHONE CALL.
BY THE TIME THE CODE OF COMPLIANCE PERSON GETS OVER THERE, IT'S ALREADY THE MUSIC IS DOWN AND YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, AND THEN THERE'S NO REAL VIOLATION.
SO THEN YOU NEVER REALLY COME BACK AND IT'S A CYCLE.
AND SO WHAT I THINK THE BETTER WAY TO HANDLE IT IS TO DO THE DUE DILIGENCE AHEAD OF TIME, SET EVERYTHING UP AS IT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BE, AND THEN IF YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK AND, AND YOUR NEIGHBORS SEE YOU SHOW YOUR NEIGHBORS THAT IT WILL WORK WITHOUT THEM HEARING ANYTHING, THEN I THINK IT'S FINE.
BUT I MEAN, AS YOU KNOW, IN LIGHT OF THE, THE COMPLAINT, THE, THE CONCERNS OF NEIGHBORS IN LIGHT OF WHAT I THINK IS SORT OF THE APPETITE OF THE MIAMI BEACH COMMUNITY NOT TO HAVE MORE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, UM, I, TO ME, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THE APPETITE TO ALLOW OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT WITHOUT FIRST BEING GIVEN A HUNDRED PERCENT ASSURANCES THAT IT, THAT NOISE WON'T TRAVEL.
AND SO, UH, THAT'S HOW I FEEL.
I MEAN I, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT, IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THIS FOR, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINK.
UM, I WAS OUT THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PLACE IS ALMOST READY TO OPEN UP.
WHEN DO YOU GUYS ANTICIPATE, UM, STARTING OPERATIONS? OKAY, SO, SO I WOULD SUGGEST WHAT JONATHAN'S SUGGESTING IS THAT YOU START OPERATION NOW, UM, WITHOUT HAVING, UM, A DJ, HAVING WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS, WHICH IS AMBIENT BACKGROUND LEVEL MUSIC.
AND THEN, UM, AFTER YOU START OPERATION OR DURING THAT, DURING THE OPERATION, WE WOULD GO OUT THERE AND DO THE SOUND TESTING AGAIN DURING THE, THE, THE DINING AND SEE HOW THAT, HOW THAT WORKS AND CONTINUE THIS APPLICATION FOR ONE TO TWO MONTHS.
SO THAT BY THE TIME YOU COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE STARTED OPERATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH NOT HAVING THE COP, JUST WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS AND SEE IF THAT ALLOWS YOU TO OPERATE IN A RESPECTABLE MANNER, DOESN'T, DOESN'T IMPACT THE NEIGHBORS.
AND THEN IF THE BOARD WANTS TO, THEN ON TOP OF THAT, ADD THE DJ WITH THAT SAME LEVEL OF AMBIENT LEVEL,
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THEN THE BOARD WOULD ADD THAT, UM, AS PART OF THE CP WE WOULD AGREE TO THAT.WITH THE NO TO FOUR HOURS ON FOUR HOURS.
WELL, NO, THIS WOULD BE RIGHT.
SO RIGHT NOW WHAT THE BOARD WOULD BE DOING IS JUST CONSIDERING CONTINUING THE APPLICATION FOR ONE TO TWO MONTHS THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO START OPERATION.
THEY CAN OPERATE IN THAT INTERIM.
NO, THEY WOULD BE BE OPERATING UNDER, THEY'D BE OPERATING WITH AMBIENT BACKGROUND LOOP MUSIC.
OR WITH THE CODE ALLOWS THEY, THEY WOULD NOT BE OPERATING WITH THE COP.
THEY DON'T NEED TO BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDER 200.
SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT FOR PROGRAM? SO I WOULD ASK, WILL IT CONTINUE TO BE FOR ONE MONTH OR TWO MONTHS? WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS TWO MONTHS.
TWO MONTHS? THAT WOULD GIVE THEM TWO, BECAUSE WE NOT OPEN FOR THREE OR FOUR WEEKS.
SO IT WOULD BE, WELL, IF THEY OPEN IN THREE OR FOUR WEEKS, THEN THEY'D ONLY BE OPERATING A MONTH BEFORE THEY COME BACK.
COULD WE SAY TWO MONTHS AFTER THEY OPEN? I AGREE.
WELL, WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO SET A DATE CERTAIN TODAY TO KEEP THE APPLICATION, SAY THREE MONTHS.
SCOTT JUST SAYING WAIT UNTIL TWO MONTHS AFTER THEY OPEN INSTEAD OF TODAY WE CAN, SO THREE MONTHS, WE CAN THREE MONTHS WE CAN SAY, LET'S SAY THREE MONTHS AND WANNA GET A DATE CERTAIN SO WE DON'T HAVE TO THAT WOULD BE THE JUNE MEETING, MICHAEL.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK IT'S ALRIGHT, BUT WE CONTINUE TO THE JUNE 10TH MEETING.
IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS OF COURSE MONITOR, FIND OUT WHEN THEY OPEN, OPEN.
I THINK AFTER THAT, AFTER THE, UM, PLACES OPEN, WE WOULD DO SOUND TESTING AGAIN ON SITE WITH THE, UM, RESTAURANT OPERATION AND COME BACK TO THE BOARD IN JUNE WITH THE OUTCOME OF THAT SOUND TESTING AS WELL AS ANY SORT OF COMPLAINTS OR, UM, UPDATES ON THE OPERATION.
AND CAN WE ALSO PUT THAT ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THE SURROUNDING BUILDING ARE, ARE GONNA BE, WE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT WELL, OKAY.
YEAH, THEY'RE NOTIFIED AND WE'LL PUT THIS IN ON THE, WE WILL, YOU'RE SITTING HERE SO YOU, YOU MAKE SURE YOU ATTEND.
BUT THERE'S, BUT OTHER HOTEL ATTEND HOTELS THAT ARE CLOSE.
NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT APPARENTLY HE'S THE MOST VULNERABLE, SO, SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION.
WE WILL, WE WILL INCLUDE OUR NOTICE.
I THINK BY THE TIME WE'LL HAVE OUR NOTICING ON THE, ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE.
I THINK THE, THE BUILDING NORTH IS, UH, IS IS NOT A HOTEL, SO IT'S A YEAH, CONDOMINIUM.
AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S PAYING REAL ATTENTION TO THE PROCESS.
SO I I WOULDN'T ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING RIGHT NOW? I AM, UH, I I I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO STOP THEM FROM OPENING AND, AND RIGHT.
COMPLYING BY, UH, I GUESS STANDARD LAW.
WELL, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, THEY DON'T NEED A CUP TO OPEN AND OPERATE AT AMBIENT MUSIC.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
WE'RE GONNA SEE HOW THAT'S HOW WE, HOW IT GOES.
I, I, I DO THINK THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THEY SPEAK ABOUT CONTROL CONTROL, UH, IT IS LIKE THAT.
BUT IT'S NOT CONTROLLED BY ME.
IT'S NOT CONTROLLED BY UNDERSTOOD BY THE CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICER.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA, WE GOTTA MOVE ON.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO SOUND TESTING AND THAT YOU'RE, HE'S GONNA BE GIVEN NOTICE, MICHAEL, CORRECT? YES, YES.
AS WILL THE, UM, NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH.
I, I GUESS WE WILL REPEAT A, A SIMILAR PROCESS TO WHAT WE DID THIS WEEK AND YOU'LL COME BACK FOR THE NEXT ONE.
I'M GONNA MOVE TO CONTINUE TO THE JUNE 10TH, WAS IT? SECOND, SECOND.
ANYONE OPPOSED? OKAY, SEE YOU THEN.
[6. PB24-0703, 1250 West Avenue - ALTON BEACH BAYFRONT OVERLAY DISTRICTCOMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.]
[7. PB24-0698, 1250 West Avenue - DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FOR THE ALTON BEACH BAYFRONT OVERLAY DISTRICT]
PREVIOUSLY CONTINUED ITEMS PLANNING BOARD FILE 24 0 7 0 3 12 50 WEST AVENUE, ALTON BEACH AFRONT OVERLAP DISTRICT.AND THIS STAFF REPORT BEGINS ON PAGE, UM, 75 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES.
SO THIS IS AN APPLICATION INCLUDING PV 24 DASH 7 0 3 AND PV 24 DASH 0 6 9 8 FOR, UM, 1250 WEST AVENUE TO CREATE THE ALTON BEACH BAYFRONT OVERLAY DISTRICT, BOTH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS AND, UM, AND DEVELOPMENT, LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION MODIFICATIONS.
NOW, THE PLANNING BOARD LAST REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION ON OCTOBER 29TH OF LAST YEAR.
SINCE THIS APPLICATION INCLUDES AN F-A-R-F-A-R INCREASE, THERE'S A SIX STEP PROCESS THAT THIS APPLICANT, THESE APPLICATIONS WOULD'VE TO GO THROUGH.
THE FIRST STEP IS A FIRST REVIEW BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
THE SECOND STEP IS A PUBLIC WORKSHOP.
THAT PUBLIC WORKSHOP WAS HELD ON DECEMBER 19TH OF LAST YEAR.
THE THIRD STEP IS A TRANSMITTAL MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
AFTER TODAY'S MEETING, THERE WOULD BE A FIRST MEETING, PUBLIC HEARING AT THE CITY COMMISSION, FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETING AND FOLLOWED BY A, UH, A FINAL, UM, UM, CITY COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE THE SIXTH STEP IN THE PROCESS.
NOW THIS APPLICATION TODAY WAS LAST CONTINUED BY THE PLANNING BOARD ON FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY 4TH, UM, TO A DATE CERTAIN OF TODAY.
AFTER TODAY'S MEETING, IT WOULD GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR A FIRST READING.
NOW, WE DID NOTE IN OUR, UM, UH, LINK TO THE VIDEO, WHICH IS ON YOUTUBE NOW OF THE COMMUNITY WORKSHOP THAT WAS HELD ON DECEMBER 19TH.
WE DID PROVIDE YOU A SUMMARY OF THAT COMMUNITY MEETING AS PART OF THE BOARD PACKAGES.
AND I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH SOME OF WHAT THE, UM, APPLICANT IS PROPOSING.
UM, THE, THE 1250 WEST AVENUE SITE IS LOCATED IN THE RM THREE,
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UM, MULTI-FAMILY HIGH INTENSITY ZONING DISTRICT.AND THESE AMENDMENTS WOULD ALLOW A ULTRA LUXURY DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING APPROXIMATELY 180 RESTAURANT SEATS LOCATED 1250 WEST WEST AVENUE.
THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES AN INCREASE IN FAR FROM THE CURRENT ZONED MAXIMUM 2.75 UP TO 6.0, AS WELL AS A BUILDING HEIGHT INCREASE FROM 150 FEET TO 360 FEET.
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT, UM, IN HIS LATEST, LATEST PROPOSAL IS GONNA SHOW UP MODIFICATION LOWERING THE HEIGHT DOWN TO, UM, 300 AND AND 30 FEET.
NOW STARTING ON PAGE 79 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES, WE DID INCLUDE A, UM, UM, THE WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE MODIFIED, INCLUDING, UM, WHAT WAS PROPOSED INITIALLY AND WHAT'S PROPOSED CURRENTLY.
SO THE BOARD CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE INITIAL PROPOSAL AND WHAT THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSING NOW.
NOW, BASED UPON THE PLAN SUBMISSIVE, WE DID NOTE SOME, SOME OBSERVATIONS BASED UPON THE CURRENT MAXIMUM FAR FOR THE SITE.
JUST TAKING THE, UM, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL, THE ENTIRE MAXIMUM FAR OF 2.75 IS CONTAINED WITHIN THE FIRST 13 FLOORS OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL.
THIS WOULD INCLUDE AN OVERALL BUILDING HEIGHT UP TO 158 FEET AND GVD AND INCLUDE 52 APARTMENTS AND 180 RESTAURANT SEATS.
UM, NOW THE INCREASED FAR DOES PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL, UM, 73 UNITS AND 210 FEET OF BUILDING HEIGHT AND AN ADDITIONAL 272,000 OF ADDITIONAL SQUARE FEET.
THE AVERAGE UNIT SIZE PROPOSED IS APPROXIMATELY 3000, UM, 250 SQUARE FEET.
NOW AS NOTED IN OUR REPORT, WE DO BELIEVE THAT, UM, WHILE THE LATEST PROPOSAL HAS BEEN SCALED BACK, IT STILL DOES FAR EXCEED THE MAXIMUM FAR ESTABLISHED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE R THREE DISTRICT.
AND WE DO BELIEVE IT STILL IS OUT OF SCALE WITH THE EXISTING BUILDINGS IN THE MEDIA AREA, INCLUDING STRUCTURES THAT ARE NON-CONFORMING.
NOW, WE DID NOTE STARTING ON PAGE, UM, 81 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES SINCE THE WAVERLY PROJECT HAS BEEN USED AS COMPARISON, WE DID NOTE SOME, UM, DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE, UM, WHAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL AND WHAT, UM, IS COMPARED TO THE, UM, THE 1330 WEST AVENUE SITE, WHICH IS THE, THE WAVERLY, UM, UM, PROJECT.
SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT, UH, WHILE WE, WE THINK THAT THEY'RE, UM, IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO OFFER SOME BONUSES BASED UPON WHAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING, WE DO THINK THAT THOSE MODIFICATIONS ARE SLIGHTLY EXCESSIVE.
UM, IN SUMMARY, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WITH THE BONUSES THAT THE MAXIMUM FAR, UM, IS LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN TWO ABOVE WHAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED, RESULTING IN A MAXIMUM FAR OF NO MORE THAN 4.75, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE BUILDING HEIGHT, UM, BONUS DOES NOT EXCEED MORE THAN A HUNDRED FEET RESULTING IN A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF NO MORE THAN 300 FEET.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING NO MODIFICATIONS TO THE, THE CURRENT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
AND BASED UPON THE HEIGHT, THIS WOULD RESULT IN BASICALLY DOUBLING THE, WHAT'S WHAT'S SHOWN FOR THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR THE, FOR THE TOWER.
UM, NOW WE, WE DO NOW SINCE THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL MEETING BY THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD TRANSMIT THIS BOTH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE L-D-L-D-R AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY COMMISSION WITH NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS.
HOWEVER, WITH THE IDEA THAT, UM, THE THRESHOLDS NOT EXCEED WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDED, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR PROPOSAL.
GREAT, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD OF YOUR STAFF, MICHAEL LARKIN, TOUR SOCA BOULEVARD HERE RESIDENT, THE APPLICANT WITH IT IS MICHAEL STERN.
UH, NICHOLAS RODRIGUEZ, MY COLLEAGUE AND OUR ARCHITECT RECORD KOBE KARP.
UM, SINCE WE LAST APPEARED BEFORE YOU ALL, WE BE DOING A LOT OF TREMENDOUS OUTREACH TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'VE MET WITH WNA AND THEY'RE VERY KIND AND LED US ALMOST AN HOUR DISCUSSION WITH THEM.
WE'VE ALSO MET WITH A NEWER GROUP ON WEST AVENUE CALLED SOY WEST ALLIANCE, AND ALMOST MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE'VE CONTINUED A DIALOGUE WITH OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS WHO WOULD BE IMPACTED THE MOST, 1228 WEST TO OUR SOUTH AND MONAD TERRACE TO OUR NORTH.
WHILE THESE ASSOCIATIONS HAVE NOT ADOPTED A A OFFICIAL POSITION ON IT, WE FEEL THAT WE'VE MADE GOOD PROGRESS AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO WORK VERY HARD WITH 'EM TO EARN THEIR SUPPORT.
TODAY WE'RE HERE TO SHARE THE LATEST PROPOSAL FOR 1250 WEST AVENUE WITH YOU ALL.
IT HAS CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY SINCE THE LAST TIME YOU ALL CONSIDERED IT BACK IN NOVEMBER.
AND WE'RE HERE TO LY REQUEST YOUR PAYROLL RECOMMENDATION WITH REGARD TO OUR PROPOSED OVERLAY.
UH, NEXT SLIDE OR, AND NEXT SLIDE.
SO THE PROPERTY OF THE SUBJECT OF THE OVERLAY IS 1250 WEST AVENUE.
WE HAVE HIGHLIGHTED THE BIKINI HOSTILE SITE HERE TO THE RIGHT.
UM, BECAUSE AS YOU ALL KNOW, A KEY PART OF OUR PUBLIC BENEFIT PACKAGE IS THE PERMANENT ELIMINATION OF BIKINI HOSTILE USE AT THAT PROPERTY THAT HAS PLAGUED THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR YEARS.
WE KNOW BIKINI HOSTILE SITE HAS BEEN THE NEWS, UH, RECENTLY SINCE THE CITY OF MIAMI BEGAN SENDING UNHOUSED INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE THERE LAST NOVEMBER.
AND WE WANNA KIND OF DISPEL SOME RUMORS AND BE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT SINCE THEN AND NOW WE'VE HAD NO OPERATIONAL CONTROL OVER THE HOSTILE PROPERTY THAT IS SOLELY WITHIN THE PROVINCE OF THE OWNERS.
BUT THE CONVERSION BIKINI HOSPITAL INTO A HOMELESS SHELTER IS THE LATEST MANIFESTATION OF THIS NUISANCE THAT
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HAS PLAGUED THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.AND AS LONG AS THAT USE IS THERE, IT'LL CONTINUE TO BE A PROBLEM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS WHY MICHAEL IS SO EARNEST IN HIS APPROACH TO TRY TO ELIMINATE THAT USE.
THAT BEING SAID, WE FEEL OUR PROPOSAL IS A LOT OF MERIT OUTSIDE OF OUR GENEROUS PUBLIC BENEFIT PACKAGE PROPOSED BY MICHAEL.
SO OUR PRESENTATION TODAY FOCUSES PRIMARILY ON THE MERITS OF OUR LEGISLATION.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE OVERLAY ONLY COVERS 1250 WEST AVENUE.
WE ARE NO LONGER INCLUDING THE BIKINI HOSTEL SITE WITHIN OUR OVERLAY ZONING DISTRICT.
AND NOW WE TURN OVER TO MICHAEL STERN.
HE'LL TAKE THIS PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD.
UM, APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR OUR APPLICATION.
UM, SO ON THIS SLIDE WE SEE THE EXISTING CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING THE OVERLAY.
UM, TO GIVE YOU SOME HISTORY, THIS BUILDING, UH, IS IN VERY POOR CONDITION.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT AS A HEALTHCARE FACILITY, WHICH IS WHY IT'S ONE OF THE FEW BUILDINGS WITH NO BALCONIES.
UM, THIS IS A BUILDING WHERE THE CONDO BOARD IS SORT OF ON A FINANCIAL CLIFF WHERE THE POTENTIAL ASSESSMENTS, UM, ARE GONNA OUTWEIGH THE VALUE OF THE UNITS, UM, COMMON ALONG THE COAST.
BUT THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THAT.
IN THE CURRENT CONDITION, THERE ARE 238 EXISTING UNITS.
WE'LL GET TO IT ON A, ON A SLIDE IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE ARE PROPOSING TO REDUCE THAT DENSITY.
UM, AND CURRENTLY UNDER THE ZONING, SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE PERMITTED.
UM, SO WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS IN HOW WE APPROACH DEVELOPING THIS SITE.
UM, ONE IS OF COURSE AN AS OF RIGHT DEVELOPMENT UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING.
UH, AND THE SECOND APPROACH IS WHY WE'RE HERE, THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT, UM, FOR A MODIFICATION OF ZONING, AND I'LL GO THROUGH BOTH OF THOSE WITH YOU.
UM, SO THIS IS AN AS OF RIGHT CONDITION.
UM, ANYBODY WHO'S SEEN OUR PRESENTATION BEFORE WILL SEE THAT WE ADDED AN AREA CHART BECAUSE ONE OF THE, UH, COMPLAINTS WE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE OPPONENTS WAS PERHAPS THERE WAS MORE FAR IN THE AS OF RIGHT, UM, SUCH THAT THIS WOULD MAYBE BE A DECEPTIVE SLIDE.
UM, SO WE ADDED A TABLE DEMONSTRATING THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A PERFECTLY COMPLIANT AS OF RIGHT CONDITION.
IT'S ALSO THE MOST LIKELY, UM, CONDITION BECAUSE THE BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO BE U-SHAPED LIKE MONAD TERRACE IS TO MAXIMIZE WATER VIEWS, TO HAVE IT MAKE ANY ECONOMIC SENSE AT ALL.
IF WE DID A SQUATTER SHORTER BUILDING, WHICH WE COULD THEORETICALLY DO, WE'D END UP WITH HALF THE UNITS WITH NO WATER VIEWS AND IT WOULD JUST MAKE NO ECONOMIC SENSE.
SO THIS IS A VERY REALISTIC AS OF RIGHT CONDITION.
AND WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE ABOUT THIS, UM, AS OF RIGHT DEVELOPMENT, UM, IT'S UNDER THE, AS OF RIGHT ZONING, WE CAN DO UP TO 286 UNITS.
SO IT WOULD BE A DENSER DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS WOULD BE PERMIT PERMITTED.
UM, THE SETBACKS ARE ACTUALLY, OTHER THAN THE TWO SIDE SETBACKS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE WATERFRONT SETBACK AND THE STREET SETBACK, WHICH ARE ACTUALLY THE MOST IMPACTFUL, ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
AND WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME SLIDES TO SHOW THAT.
AND JUST FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL EXPRESSION POINT OF VIEW, THE CURRENT ZONING LEADS TO, TO SHORTER SQUATTER BUILDINGS THAT ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO, UM, TO MAKE PRETTY ATTRACTIVE, ET CETERA.
UH, JUST FROM AN URBAN PLANNING STANDPOINT.
ALSO MONOLITHIC SKYLINE WHERE EVERYTHING IS AT THE EXACT SAME HEIGHT, MID-RISE BUILDINGS, UM, WITHOUT ANY VARIETY AT ALL IS, IS NOT GREAT AT URBAN PLANNING EITHER, IN OUR OPINION.
UM, SO THIS SHOWS YOU THE GENESIS OF KIND OF WHERE WE STARTED TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
UM, WE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED A TOWER THAT WAS 420 FEET, WHICH CLEARLY WOULD'VE SET A NEW HEIGHT PRECEDENT FOR THIS CORRIDOR.
WE'VE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWERED IT TO 330 FEET, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW THE PARAPET OF THE WAVERLY.
SO IT'S SIMILAR IN HEIGHT TO THE WAVERLY, BUT ACTUALLY A BIT LOWER.
AND, UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT'S NOT AN ARBITRARY NUMBER.
THIS IS THE HEIGHT AT WHICH, UM, WE KIND OF HIT THE ECONOMIC BONE OF WHERE THE, WHERE IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO BUILD THE BUILDING TO OVERCOME CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND PROVIDE THE PUBLIC BENEFITS PACKAGE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, TO BUILD THIS BUILDING.
UM, THIS BUILDING WE FEEL IS NOW VERY CONTEXTUAL.
IT'S VERY RESPECTFUL IN, IN TERMS OF ITS HEIGHT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WILL BE, I'M SURE AFTER WE LEAVE, UM, A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT HOW THIS IS GONNA TURN THE NEIGHBORHOOD INTO BRICKLE OR SUNNY ISLES OR, UM, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'M, I'M BUILDING BUILDINGS IN BRICKELL.
UM, THEY'RE THREE AND FOUR TIMES THE HEIGHT OF THIS.
THIS IS BASICALLY A RELATIVELY LOW TOWER, JUST ABOVE A MID-RISE BUILDING.
UM, WE ALSO HEARD SOME COMPLAINTS HISTORICALLY THAT MAYBE ARE, UM, RENDERINGS OR MASKING DIAGRAMS WEREN'T TO SCALE.
THEY HAVE BEEN TO SCALE, THEY ARE TO SCALE.
YOU COULD SEE THAT THEY'RE, UH, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY SHORTER THAN THE WAVERLY.
AND IF THERE ARE, ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT CORP IS HERE AND WE'LL BE HAPPY, UH,
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TO DO THAT.WE THINK THAT NOT ONLY ARE WE NOT DESTROYING THE CHARACTER OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE, UM, I'M SURE WE'LL HEAR A LITTLE BIT LATER TODAY, WE'RE ENHANCING IT WITH A, A MUCH HIGHER QUALITY BUILDING THAT GREETS THE STREET, UH, BETTER AND IS LESS IMPACTFUL TO THE NEIGHBORS.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING INTERRUPT YOU ONE SECOND.
SO MICHAEL, WHAT, EXPLAIN WHY, HOW DOES THE WAVERLY HAVE SO MUCH MORE HEIGHT THAN EVERY OTHER BUILDING ON THAT STREET? WELL, THAT WAS APPROVED BEFORE THE DOWN ZONING.
SO, UM, BACK WHEN THAT WAS BUILT, I THINK, OR APPROVED IN THE LATE NINETIES, UM, THE, THERE WAS A HIGHER HEIGHT IN HIGHER FAR THAT WAS ALLOWED CITYWIDE.
AND AFTER THE, AND SINCE SINCE THE DOWN ZONING, BASICALLY THE, THE, THE HEIGHTS WERE LIMITED EVEN IN THIS, IN THIS LOCATION WAS LIMITED TO ONE 50 FEET.
BUT CITYWIDE HEIGHTS WERE REDUCED TO, UM, TO NO MORE THAN 200 FEET.
ALRIGHT, SORRY, GO AHEAD MIKE.
UM, SO, AND ACTUALLY I'M JUST GONNA TOUCH ON ONE MORE THING THAT, UH, BEFORE WE GET INTO OUR PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE HEARD, I DEVELOPED A PROPERTY NEXT DOOR CALLED MONAD TERRACE, WHICH I THINK NOW IS, IS A, A PRETTY UNIVERSALLY ADMIRED BUILDING, UM, IN THE CITY.
WE HAD PLENTY OF OPPOSITION EVEN BACK THEN, UM, FROM SOME OF THE SAME FOLKS WHO ARE NOW ADVOCATING FOR US TO BUILD MONA TERRACE AGAIN.
ESSENTIALLY MANY OF THOSE FOLKS SHOWED UP AT DRB TO COMPLAIN THAT THAT BUILDING AT THAT HEIGHT WAS PROBLEMATIC.
UM, WHICH OF COURSE WE DISAGREE WITH, BUT PEOPLE HAVE ASKED, WHY CAN'T YOU JUST BUILD MONA TERRACE AGAIN? YOU DID IT BEFORE AND DO IT AGAIN.
LAND COSTS ARE DOUBLE WHAT THEY WERE AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE DOUBLE OR TWO AND A HALF TIMES WHAT THEY WERE WHEN WE DID MONAD TERRACE.
IT'S JUST NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE TO BUILD A BUILDING LIKE THAT UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING IN THE CURRENT REALITIES OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST CLIMATE.
SO MOVING ON TO OUR PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS BETWEEN A HUNDRED AND 125 UNITS, WE WOULD LIMIT OUR DENSITY AND WE THINK THAT DENSITY IS THE REAL IMPACT.
HOW MANY CARS, HOW MANY TRIPS, HOW MUCH IMPACT TO THE SEWER SYSTEM AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND WE'RE PROPOSING ESSENTIALLY A THIRD OF THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY, WHICH WE THINK IS THE REAL IMPACT, UH, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE WOULD PROHIBIT SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
THE UNITS WOULD BE LARGER IN SIZE, THEY'D BE LARGE ENOUGH THAT THEY COULD NEVER BE SHORT TERM RENTALS ANYWAYS.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE'RE PROPOSING A VERY COMPACT TOWER FOOTPRINT THAT WILL HAVE THE LEAST IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS AND WILL MINIMIZE THE SHADOW, UM, COMPARED TO A BLOCKIER, UH, STOCKIER AS OF RIGHT BUILDING.
AND WE ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S TRULY AN ICON AND A LANDMARK BUILDING THAT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN BE PROUD OF RATHER THAN ANOTHER HO-HUM MID-RISE BUILDING.
UM, SO LET'S LOOK AT THOSE REAL WORLD IMPACTS.
UM, SO THIS IS, UH, A SLIDE SHOWING THE PEDESTAL SETBACK WITH THE AS OF RIGHT TO THE LEFT.
AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO THE RIGHT, THE DARK GRAY IS THE 50 FOOT SECTION, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE HEIGHT OF THE PEDESTAL.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING A MUCH MORE COMPACT PEDESTAL AT THE 50 FOOT LEVEL WITH A MUCH BIGGER WATERFRONT SETBACK AND A MUCH BIGGER STREET SETBACK THAT SORT OF CASCADES FROM THE STREET RATHER THAN PUTTING A BIG UGLY PARKING PODIUM, UM, RIGHT AT THE STREET, WHICH IS KIND OF THE OLDER CONDITION.
THE WAVERLY WAS BUILT THAT WAY WITH A BIG, UH, PARKING PEDESTAL GREETING THE STREET.
WE DON'T THINK THAT'S THE NICEST WAY TO PLAN BUILDINGS.
IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SET, THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS SHOWS THE TOWER SETBACK.
MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN WE HAVE ABOUT 10 MORE MINUTES? YES, THANK YOU SIR.
IT'LL BE A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, SO THIS IS A SLIDE SHOWING WHAT WE THINK IS THE MOST IMPACTFUL THING, WHICH IS ON THE LEFT.
THE AS OF RIGHT TOWER WOULD HAVE A WALL THAT IS 318 FEET LONG ON EACH NEIGHBOR, BASICALLY CREATING A WALL TO WALL SHADOW CONDITION FOR 1228 AND MONAD TERRACE.
UM, THAT IS ABOUT THE WORST SHADOW CONDITION YOU CAN HAVE AND THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING CALLS FOR.
AS OF RIGHT, WE ARE PROPOSING A VERY SHALLOW TOWER FOOTPRINT ONLY ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET DEEP.
UM, AND I, A COMMENT WAS MADE, UM, EARLIER THAT IN OUR PROPOSAL, ALL OF THE, AS OF RIGHT FLOOR AREA IS ONLY GOING UP TO 13 FLOORS.
AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE WE ARE SHRINKING OUR TOWER FOOTPRINT TO MAKE IT LESS IMPACTFUL TO OUR NEIGHBORS.
SO THERE'S LESS FAR ON EACH FLOOR AS IT GOES UP BECAUSE WE THINK SHRINKING THE TOWER FOOTPRINT AND MAKING IT LESS BLOCKY AND MORE ELEGANT AND NARROW IS ACTUALLY THE BEST CONDITION FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND THE BEST URBAN PLANNING MODEL, UM, AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE WATERFRONT SETBACK ON THE, AS OF RIGHT, UM, IT'S 50 FEET, FEET AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO SET THE TOWER BACK FROM THE WATER 140 FEET.
AND THE STREET SETBACK IS 50 FEET IN THE AS OF RIGHT CONDITION ON THE TOWER.
AND WE ARE PROPOSING ALMOST 200 FEET AWAY FROM THE STREET.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE REAL SHADOW IMPACT HAPPENS AT THE WATER AND AT THE STREET.
AND WE'RE ALSO DEALING WITH IT ON OUR TWO NEIGHBORS BY SHRINKING OUR TOWER FOOTPRINT AND MAKING IT LESS IMPACTFUL, OPENING UP THE CORNERS FOR THE WATERFRONT VIEWS.
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PLACED THE TOWER RIGHT WHERE MONAD TERRACES ELEVATOR AND STAIR CORE IS.IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES.
SORRY MICHAEL, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, JUST A QUESTION ABOUT THE IMPACT.
UM, HAVE WE DONE A STUDY TO, AS OF RIGHT, HOW MANY UNITS ARE ACTUALLY BLOCKED VERSUS IF WE'RE DOING THE PROPOSED? BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF WHO'S BEING AFFECTED ON DEPENDING ON WHAT THE WIDTH AND HEIGHT WE, I WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT STUDY.
UH, BUT WE CAN AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT.
I HAVEN'T COUNTED THE UNITS THAT, THAT HAVE IMPACTED VIEWS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, ABOUT HALF THE UNITS AT MONA TERRACE WOULD HAVE VIEWS IMPACTED IN THE AS OF RIGHT CONDITION.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY AT AT 1228, BUT I ASSUME SIMILAR ABOUT HALF, MAYBE A THIRD 'CAUSE THE BUILDING IS DEEPER.
UM, BUT WE, WE CAN FOLLOW UP AND GET YOU THAT.
SO THIS IS A SLIDE JUST DEMONSTRATING REAL WORLD IMPACT ON THE LEFT, THAT'S THE AS OF RIGHT CONDITION, JUST SHOWING THE, THE ENORMITY OF AN AS OF RIGHT WALL CONDITION, WALL TO WALL THAT WILL ALWAYS BE IN SHADOW TO SOME LEVEL.
AND ON THE RIGHT, THE CASCADING, UH, PEDESTAL THAT STEPS UP TO A SHALLOWER TOWER, WHICH WE THINK IS MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE IN THE WAY IT GREETS THE STREET.
UM, WE ALSO IN THE AS OF RIGHT CONDITION, UM, COULDN'T AFFORD TO DO, UH, A BURIED PARKING PEDESTAL LIKE WE DID AT MONAD TERRACE, JUST THE REALITIES OF WHAT CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE TODAY.
AND WITH THE PROPOSED TOWER, WE WOULD BE BURYING ALL THE PARKING AND DOING A VERY LUSH LANDSCAPED FRONT, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID AT MONAD TERRACE, UM, SO THAT THE BUILDING WOULD GREET THE STREET IN THE CORRECT WAY.
IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS FROM A A D-LINE AT MONAD TERRACE.
SO THE AS OF RIGHT CONDITION FACING WEST AVENUE IS ON THE LEFT AND THE CASCADING PEDESTAL IS ON THE RIGHT.
AND THIS IS MUCH MORE RESPECTFUL AND EMPATHETIC TO THE VIEW.
CARTERS AT MONAD TERRACE THAT EXISTS TODAY WILL PRESERVE MOST OF THE VIEWS FROM MONAD TERRACE, BOTH ON THE WATER SIDE AND ON THE STREET SIDE.
AND THEN THIS IS A, A PROJECT OVERVIEW JUST SHOWING, UH, THE BUILDING IN CONTEXT AND IN SCALE.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA HEAR MAYBE SOME CONTENTIONS THAT THIS IS SOMEHOW FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING THE CONTEXT OR CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, IT IS SHORTER THAN A BUILDING THAT IS TWO BUILDINGS DOWN.
UM, IT CREATES A VARIETY OF SKYLINE THAT I THINK IS, IS INTERESTING AND DIVERSE AND IT WILL BE A VERY, VERY ICONIC ARCHITECTURAL BUILDING THAT WILL COMPLIMENT THE QUALITY OF TERRACE.
SO THIS IS A CONTEXT SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS ALONG THE BAY FRONT AND WEST AVENUE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WITH THE REDUCTION IN OUR HEIGHT TO 330 FEET, WE ARE IN CONTEXT OF THE EXISTING BUILT ENVIRONMENT OF WEST AVENUE.
WE'RE SHORTER THAN THE WAVERLY, WE'RE SHORTER THAN THE FLORIDIAN, AND WE'RE SHORTER THAN THE CENTER TOWER AT THE FLAMINGO COMPLEX.
THIS IS A SUMMARY OF OUR LEGISLATION.
NOTE THAT WE'RE JUST PROPOSING RESIDENTIAL ACCESSORY USES NO OUTDOOR RESTAURANT SEATING.
OUR FLOOR AREA HAS BEEN REDUCED FROM 7.75 DOWN TO 5.75.
OUR HEIGHT FROM FOUR 20 TO 330 FEET, WE'RE MODIFYING THE SIDE INTERIOR SETBACKS.
WE'RE INCLUDING SOME ALLOWABLE SETBACK ENCROACHMENTS, AND WE'RE ASKING FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF OUR MECHANICAL PARKING.
AS MICHAEL DISCUSSED EARLIER, WE'RE ASKING A DENSITY REDUCTION TO 75 UNITS PER ACRE.
WHAT IS PERMITTED? RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GONNA PROFFER VOLUNTARY COVENANT PROHIBITING SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY ADMINISTRATION ON DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THE TWO MAIN PRONGS OF THAT PUBLIC BENEFIT WOULD BE THE ACQUISITION OF THE BIKINI HOSTILE PROPERTY, THE DEMOLITION OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND THE CONVEYANCE OF THE LAND TO THE CITY.
LET THE CITY CHOOSE WHAT TO DO IN CONSULTATION WITH THE RESIDENTS OF WEST AVENUE.
THE SECOND COMPONENT OF THE PUBLIC BENEFIT PACKAGE IS ACTUALLY FINISHING THE BAY WALK.
THE BAY WALK COULD BE BE AS PHENOMENAL AS THE BEACH WALK.
I THINK THERE ARE THREE MISSING LINKS BEHIND SOUTH BAY CLUB BEHIND 1228 WEST, IMMEDIATELY TOWARDS SOUTH AND BEHIND 1450 LINCOLN ROAD.
WE'RE GOING TO ABSORB ALL THE HARD AND SOFT COSTS IN CON IN CONNECTION WITH THESE MISSING LINKS.
THESE ARE THE REASONS TO RECOMMEND TO TRANSMIT AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
WE HAVE REDUCED IMPACTS TO THE VIEWS FROM
REDUCED IMPACT TO WEST AVENUE STREET FRONTAGE IN BISCAYNE BAY.
REDUCED DENSITY THAT IN TURN REDUCES TRAFFIC AND INFRASTRUCTURE BURDENS.
WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE AS-BUILT HEIGHT ALONG THE WEST AVENUE CORRIDOR.
WE ARE GOING TO ELIMINATE THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL OPPORTUNITY, ELIMINATES THE SEVERE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP UNFOLDING FOR 1250 WEST AVENUE UNIT OWNERS.
MICHAEL GOT INTO IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH TRYING TO ASSEMBLE THE NECESSARY FUNDS TO, YOU KNOW, RE REMEDY THEIR BUILDING, WHICH THEY CAN'T BE.
THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL ECONOMIC BENEFITS CREATED FOR THE CITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD, AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE AN ARCHITECTURAL LANDMARK.
AND FINALLY, BIKINI HOUSE WILL BE EXTINGUISHED.
THE BAY WALK WILL FINALLY BE COMPLETED.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE'RE HAPPY TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND WE'RE DONE.
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YES.DO YOU HAVE THE BIKINI UNDER CONTRACT? I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THAT ONE.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A FINAL AGREEMENT YET WITH BIKINI.
WE EXPECT TO HAVE IT DONE BEFORE LAND USE, WHICH IS MARCH 11TH.
WE EXPECT TO HAVE IT DONE BEFORE THEN, OR ELSE WE CAN'T GO FORWARD ON MARCH 11TH.
AND OUR, OUR APPLICATION IS OF COURSE PREDICATED ON EXTINGUISHING THAT USE AND, UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO DELIVER THAT AND WE WILL.
MICHAEL, PEOPLE LIVE IN THIS CONDO RIGHT NOW.
AND SO YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF POTASS AGREEMENT THAT IF YOU GET APPROVAL, THEN NO, THEY, BUT DON'T YOU OWN THE LIKE ALL WE OWN? I'LL, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT.
WE OWN, UH, MANY UNITS IN THE BUILDING TODAY AND WE ARE UNDER CONTRACT FOR OVER 98% OF THE REMAINING UNITS.
TO GET THE VOTE UNIT, YOU CONTROL THE BOARD.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE UNDER CONTRACT IN THE AREA OR JUST THIS ONE? JUST THIS ONE.
UM, ISN'T MICHAEL, MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS ONE.
ISN'T THE BAY WALK ALREADY FUNDED? THE BAY WALK WAS FUNDED, BUT IT WAS UNDER 2018 CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS.
SO IF YOU LISTEN TO THE DIRECTOR OF CIP NOW THAT'S ABOUT 60% FUNDED.
AND HOW MUCH IS THAT? I DON'T KNOW THE ACTUAL DOLLARS.
BUT
YEAH, IT'S BETWEEN FOUR AND 5 MILLION.
MY BIGGEST SCREW IN THE PROJECT IS YOUR ARCHITECT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT'S GROSS
UM, LET'S START WITH IN CHAMBERS.
ANYBODY IN THE CHAMBERS TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE? MA'AM, ACTUALLY LET HER GO AND THEN YOU'LL COME NEXT.
SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOU OVER THERE.
MY NAME IS JACKIE LELAND, UH, 1228 BAY.
UM, OUR PRESIDENT IS HERE, MICHAEL, AND WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE'RE PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION.
AND YOU ARE JUST A RESIDENT OR YOU'RE ON THE ASSOCI? NO, I'M ON THE BOARD AND I'M CHAIR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.
AND WHAT'S YOUR BUILDING? I'M SORRY? IS IS THERE A NAME OF YOUR BUILDING OR IS IT 1228? THAT'S JUST BAYVIEW.
NO, I JUST DON'T, I'M NOT FAMILIAR.
SO WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE WANT TO GIVE YOU OUR POSITION ON, ON WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY.
AND WE WANNA TELL YOU THAT WE ARE CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT IN FACT, THESE TWO DEALS GET DONE.
WE THINK IT'S CRITICAL THAT THE BIKINI BE TIED TO THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVE JUST RECEIVED THE INFORMATION, JUST STARTED NEGOTIATIONS, AND WE JUST WANNA LET THIS BOARD KNOW.
THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW, AND EVERYBODY KNOW THAT THE MITIGATIONS THAT WE HAVE, THE, THE HELL WE'RE ABOUT TO GO THROUGH FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S GOOD FAITH ON PART OF THE DEVELOPER.
I'M GONNA STOP YOU ONE SECOND.
HER POINT ABOUT IT THAT IT'S GOTTA BE CONTINGENT ON THE BIKINI HOUSEHOLD.
IS THERE ANY IMPEDIMENT TO THAT HAPPENING? NO.
SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN REPRESENT WITH NO DOUBT THAT, THAT IF THIS DEAL GETS DONE, THE BIKINI HOUSE WILL BE PART OF IT.
SO THE DEAL IS PREDICATED ON US EXTINGUISHING THAT USE.
'CAUSE I AGREE WITH HER AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THE CASE.
I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE WHOLE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH AGREES WITH US
IS THAT A GUARANTEE? BUT GO AHEAD.
MAY, MAY I JUST ASK ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THIS? WHAT ABOUT CONTRACTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE WITH THE BIKINI HOSTEL? HOW WILL THOSE GO AWAY WITH OTHER ENTITIES? SO I'M, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS IT.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, OBVIOUSLY DIRECT CONTROLLER INVOLVEMENT IN THAT.
BUT PART OF OUR DEAL WITH THE BIKINI HOSTEL IS THAT THEY NEED TO DELIVER THE PROPERTY TO US VACANT.
WE HAVE CLAUSES IN THE AGREEMENT THAT IT'S DELIVERED VACANT A, THAT WHATEVER PROCESS THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH TO VACATE IT WILL BE DONE, UH, HUMANELY AND PROPERLY AND IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.
WE HAVE PROVISIONS IN THERE THAT THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH HAS KEPT INFORMED OF WHAT THAT PLAN IS TO HUMANELY VACATE THE PROPERTY, BUT TO BE UNEQUIVOCAL.
THEY OWE US VACANCY WHEN WE CLOSE ON THAT PROPERTY AND WE EXPECT THAT TO HAPPEN IN ROUGHLY 120 DAYS.
THAT'S, BUT YOU BRING UP POINTS AND I WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION ON NO, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANNA DO AND, AND WE JUST WANNA LET YOU FOLKS KNOW, WELL, WE HAVE JUST BEGUN DISCUSSION WITH THESE PEOPLE.
WHILE WE ARE CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC, YOU KNOW, WE NEED, UH, WE NEED THIS TO BE PROPER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR OUR BUILDINGS AND, AND FRANKLY FOR THE CITY.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT EVERYTHING'S GONNA WORK OUT SMOOTHLY.
UM, SO ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME? WE HAVEN'T FULLY DEVELOPED OUR POSITION YET.
BECAUSE WE'RE STILL IN CONVERSATION.
YOU, I, I'M SURE YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GO THROUGH THREE YEARS OF HELL AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS
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PARTICULAR PROJECT.SO WE'RE IN CONVERSATION AND WE WILL GET SOMETHING DEFINITIVELY AS AN OPINION TO YOU, I'D SAY WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
AND JUST SO YOU AND KNOW, I'M SURE YOU DO KNOW THIS, THAT OUR BOARD IS SIMPLY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.
AND IT SOUNDS TO ME, FROM WHAT MICHAEL DESCRIBED, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT'S GONNA BE DONE BETWEEN NOW AND THE FIRST HEARING BY COMMISSION.
REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE RECOMMEND.
THINGS MAY CHANGE AND I'D SAY, UM, THE C THE CITY COMMISSION IS GONNA PROVIDE INPUT AND ULTIMATELY IT IS UP TO THE, UM, DECISION OF THE CITY COMMISSION.
AND, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE WANNA ENCOURAGE THIS BOARD, ALL BOARDS, THE COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THESE ELEMENTS ARE DEALT WITH.
BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, SO TODAY, UM, AND I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM OTHER PEOPLE, BUT WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER TO, WE RECOMMEND TO THE COMMISSION TO PASS THIS THE WAY THEY'RE PROPOSING OR NOT.
AND SO AT THIS POINT, KNOWING YOU HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF US PASSING THIS WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION? WE DO NOT HAVE A SOLID OPINION ON THAT AT THIS TIME, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE REDUCTION, I MEAN, IT'S LOOKING MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE.
LET'S JUST, YOU KNOW, BE COMMON SENSE FOLKS.
WE WANNA SEE THE PROPERTY DEVELOPED, WE WANT IT TO BE RIGHT FOR EVERYBODY.
AND, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONED ON A NUMBER OF THINGS IF THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S LIKE THE SUN SHINING, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
AND JA, JACKIE, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE STILL LOOKING FOR AS THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU'RE STILL AT HOPING TO, WELL, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS FOR THE RESIDENTS OF, OF WEST AVENUE IS WE DON'T HAVE PARKING, EXTRA PARKING ANYWHERE.
IT'S A COMMON AND PERSISTENT DILEMMA WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO AT FIRST I BELIEVE THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE, AND WE STILL ARE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THAT PROPOSITION, AND I THINK IT'S CRITICAL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I THINK THE CITY REALLY NEEDS TO CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF THIS DEAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WANTS THE PROPERTY DEVELOPED.
UH, THE BIKINI, I DON'T WANT TO WASTE YOUR TIME TALKING ABOUT THE CONSISTENT PROBLEMS THERE.
WE DON'T, THAT NEEDS TO GO AWAY.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE, THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE ITSELF IS THERE, ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE REDUCTION.
UM, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE MITIGATIONS WITH RESPECT TO OUR BUILDING.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
UM, SO I THINK A LOT OF PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE.
I'LL GIVE YOU A DEFINITIVE ANSWER IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS.
SOUND GOOD? AND, AND, AND MICHAEL, SO WHAT, WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE NOW? IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE JUST DEEDING THE PROPERTY TO THE CITY AS BEFORE YOU WERE GONNA BUILD THE PARKING GARAGE AND THEN LEASE IT, I GUESS TO THE, THE CITY.
UM, YES, THE PUBLIC BENEFITS PACKAGE HAS BEEN RESTRUCTURED.
UM, WHAT IT IS NOW IS THAT WE WILL ACQUIRE BIKINI HOSTEL, DEMOLISH IT, GRADE IT, SOLD IT, LANDSCAPE IT, FENCE IT, AND THEN CONVEY IT TO THE CITY.
I FELT THAT, UH, OUR PRIOR APPROACH WAS TOO PRESCRIPTIVE.
I THINK WE WERE TELLING THE CITY COMMISSION WHAT TO DO WITH IT OR TELLING THE NEIGHBORS WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
AND THAT DID NOT SIT WELL WITH SOME MM-HMM
SO I THINK IT'S BETTER IF WE CONVEY IT.
AND JACKIE JUST MENTIONED AN EXCELLENT FUTURE USE.
THE CITY COMMISSION WILL NOT DO ANYTHING WITHOUT THE CONSULTATION OF THE RESIDENTS IN THIS CORRIDOR.
JONATHAN, WHAT'S, SORRY, I GUESS I JUST A, A QUESTION.
HOW LONG GENERALLY IT TAKES FOR A CITY TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THE, THE LAND AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEN TO DECIDE TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE THERE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RESIDENTS? I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT TAKES 10 YEARS? I, I, I JUST DUNNO.
'CAUSE I MEAN, 10 YEARS FROM NOW IS TO ME, NOT REALLY.
I MEAN, THAT KIND OF GUTS A LOT OF THE BENEFIT, UH, ESPECIALLY AS ALL THE WEST AVENUE CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, ON THE ROADS OCCURS.
I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA LOSE A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING PARKING SPACES AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE TIMING.
WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE TAKEN YEARS OR DECADES.
I, I AGREE WITH YOU, JONATHAN.
I'M SURE IT'S A DESIROUS TO MOVE QUICKLY ON THIS.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH IT BEFORE I, I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT, WE HAVE PROPERTIES ALL OVER THE CITY THAT NOBODY KNOWS WHAT TO DO WITH AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT THAT.
WELL, I THINK WHAT THE PROPOSED WE WERE WERE JUST VERY HAP I'M SO SORRY.
UH, WE WERE VERY HAPPY WITH WHAT WAS PROPOSED WITH THE BIKINI HOTEL, LIKE TO LET THE NEIGHBORS DECIDE.
I THINK BUT WHAT, EITHER, EITHER WAY, WHETHER THE PEOPLE OF THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD OF WEST AVENUE ARE OPPOSED OR FOR THIS PARK.
AND THE MAIN THING THAT EVERYONE'S AGREEING ON IS GETTING RID OF THIS BIKINI HOSTELS.
I THINK THE BENEFIT THEY'RE TRYING TO BRING IS ELIMINATING BIKINI HOSTEL.
AND THEN THE SECOND PART IS NOT FOR US NECESSARILY, UM, PLAN OUT TODAY.
I GUESS BASED ON THE ASSOCIATION'S PRELIMINARY REVIEW, WOULD YOU ALL PREFER, LET'S SAY THE APPLICANT WERE TO PURCHASE IT AND JUST BUILD AN AS OF RIGHT DEVELOPMENT? WHAT WOULD THE ASSOCIATION'S PREFERENCE BE AS IT RELATES TO THAT? THE, AS OF RIGHT DEVELOPMENT, OR WE WOULD NOT PREFER THE AS OF RIGHT.
I, WE DO AGREE THEORETICALLY, OBVIOUSLY WITH
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THE REDUCTION IN DENSITY, THE NUMBER OF UNITS, THE STRESS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PARKING, ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF, IT'S PROVEN.I THINK, UH, MONAD TERRACE IS OBVIOUSLY AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, HOW A NEIGHBORHOOD COULD CHANGE AND BECOME A BETTER, BETTER BUILDING, BETTER HOOD, BETTER EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW.
SO DEFINITELY THE DENSITY, WE WOULD NOT PREFER THAT IT WOULD DIRECTLY IMPACT US, I THINK, IN A NEGATIVE WAY.
SO WE DO HAVE A TOWER, IT'S JUST, JUST A DIFFERENT ORIENTATION, RIGHT.
SO TOWER GETS TURNED, GROWS A LITTLE TALLER, NOT SO BAD.
AMY LITOS, UH, RESIDENT OF WEST AVENUE AND A MEMBER OF THE WEST AVENUE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WNA, WHICH HAS BEEN SUCCESSFULLY ADVOCATING FOR WEST AVENUE SINCE 2012.
SO I THINK WHAT WAS CLEAR WITH THE EXCHANGE WE JUST HEARD IS THAT THERE IS A LOT TO BE DECIDED HERE STILL.
SO TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT, I BELIEVE IS A BIT PREMATURE.
BUT THAT SAID, WE APPRECIATE, UM, MR. LARKINS AND MR. STERN'S TIME.
HE HAS, OR THEY HAVE MET WITH, UM, SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
THEY HAVE DONE A CITYWIDE, UM, ZOOM CALL AND THERE WAS A LOT GLEANED FROM THAT.
UM, ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST STATE UP FRONT THAT WE KNOW THAT MR. STERN CAN BUILD A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AND EVIDENCE OF THAT IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
MONAD TERRACE IS A GORGEOUS BUILDING.
WE ASSUME IT MUST HAVE BEEN PROFITABLE FOR THE BUILDER AND AS WELL A GOOD INVESTMENT FOR THOSE WHO BOUGHT INTO IT.
SO WITH THAT SAID, WE WOULD LIKE AS MONET TERRA IS THIS DEVELOPMENT AT 1250 TO BE BUILT AS OF RIGHT AT 150 FEET.
AND THAT'S NOT JUST WAGNER'S POSITION, THAT'S THE POSITION OF RESIDENTS OF WEST AVENUE.
AND THAT'S BASED ON OUR, UM, JANUARY 6TH MEETING WHEREBY AN OVERFLOW CROWD OF 102 PEOPLE VOTED ON THIS MATTER.
IT WAS A STRAW VOTE, BUT OUT OUT OF 102 PEOPLE, 98 WERE OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AS PROPOSED.
TWO WERE FOR IT, AND TWO WERE NON-COMMITTAL.
SO IF THAT IS OUR STARTING GROUND, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT.
IT'S NOT JUST WEST AVENUE AND WNA THAT DOES NOT, UH, SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AS PROPOSED.
BUT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, SO TOM MOONEY'S PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WHICH I'M SURE YOU HAVE IN YOUR MATERIALS, CAME OUT WITH INITIAL ASSESSMENT OF THIS PROPOSAL.
GRANTED IT WAS BEFORE SOME OF THE DOWNSIZING.
NEVERTHELESS, THERE WERE SOME VERY INTERESTING, UH, STATEMENTS IN THAT REPORT.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO READ A FEW STATES HEAR THAT OUT OF 13 CRITERIA, THE PLANNING BOARD FOUND THAT SEVEN WERE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT TWO WERE PARTIALLY CONSISTENT, ANOTHER TWO WERE CONSISTENT, AND TWO WERE NOT APPLICABLE.
SO WHAT THIS WOULD STATE IS THAT THE OVERWHELMING CONSENSUS OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT GOOD FOR WEST AVENUE EITHER.
AND JUST IN WORDS, LET ME READ A FEW STATEMENTS.
IT STATES THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS OUTTA SCALES WITH THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT IT CREATES AN ISOLATED OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT BEARS NO RELATIONSHIP OR CONSISTENCY WITH THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT.
AND THAT THE BENEFITS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE NOT COMMENSURATE WITH THE IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT IT COULD ADVERSELY AFFECT LIVING CONDITIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT COULD SERIOUSLY REDUCE LIGHT AND AIR TO ADJACENT AREAS.
FURTHERMORE, THEY BELIEVE THAT THE ECONOMICS DO NOT WORK FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD EITHER IN THAT THEY COULD ADVERSELY AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES AND BE A DETERRENT TO IMPROVEMENT OR DEVELOPMENT OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
NONE OF THAT SOUNDS POSITIVE FOR WEST AVENUE.
I I'M A LITTLE PUZZLED BY THAT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE, THE SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN DENSITY.
IS THAT NOT SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE FAVOR, YOU KNOW, IN FAVOR OF? I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT REASSESS THIS PROJECT WITH THE DOWNSIZING THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED.
I THINK THAT, UM, IN, IN ORDER FOR ALL OF YOU TO COME UP WITH A GOOD ASSESSMENT TO COME DOWN WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS WOULD REQUIRE THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT CHIME IN ONCE AGAIN, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN CHANGED DRAMATICALLY FROM THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.
I JUST, AGAIN, GO BACK TO THIS IS PREMATURE TO MAKE AN ASSESSMENT ON THIS PROJECT NOW.
SO JUST TO PAUSE FOR A MOMENT.
SO THE REVIEW CRITERIA HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED BASED ON THE REDUCTION.
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THIS IS BASED ON THE ORIGINAL.WELL, WE STILL HAVE, WE STILL BELIEVE THAT THAT, UM, ALTHOUGH THEY'VE MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS, NOT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH FOR US TO MODIFY OUR, UM, CRITERIA, OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATION.
AND IN THE CLOSING STATEMENT OF THAT RECOMMENDATION, USE THE WORD HOSTILE AND NOT AS IN BIKINI HOSTILE, BUT AS IN THAT THIS PROPOSAL WOULD BE HOSTILE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, LET ME JUST FINISH WITH THIS.
BUT THAT WAS BASED ON THE PRIOR PLAN, RIGHT? YES.
BUT, BUT STILL EVEN WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY'VE, THAT THEY'VE DOWN DOWNSIZED IT ENOUGH ENOUGH.
AND LASTLY, I'D JUST LIKE TO FINISH WITH THIS, THAT, UH, I KNOW IT'S NOT UNUSUAL IN THIS CASE, AND, UM, MR. STERN DID, UM, SORT OF, UH, PRESAGE SOME OF WHAT WOULD BE SAID TODAY, BUT, UM, BIKINI HOSTEL IS SOMETHING THAT NOBODY WANTS OTHER THAN THE OWNERS PERHAPS.
UM, BUT WE'RE LOSING SIGHT OF THE POINT HERE, WHICH IS THIS DEVELOPMENT.
IT SHOULDN'T BE CONFLATED WITH, UM, OR NOT WANTING BEHE HOSTILE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO LET'S PLEASE CONCENTRATE ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, WHICH IS HEIGHT AND FAR.
UM, AND LASTLY, THIS IDEA OF INCENTIVES, UM, COMPLETING PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS, UM, BUYING PROPERTIES THAT ARE UNDESIRABLE, ET CETERA.
UM, IT CREATES A PERVERSE INCENTIVE FOR DEVELOPERS TO USE IN ORDER TO HAVE GRANTED WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, WHICH IS ALL THIS EXCESS FOREIGN HEIGHT.
SO I WISH THAT A CITY AS RICH, AS WEALTHY AS OURS WOULD START TO, UM, LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, STRATEGICALLY AND START TO FUND THESE PROJECTS THEMSELVES WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS INSTEAD OF DEPENDING ON DEVELOPERS TO DO IT FOR THEM.
AND LASTLY, THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE MIAMI HERALD THIS WEEKEND, WHICH WAS AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE NEW CONDO LAWS THAT WERE PASSED THAT ARE SO ADVERSELY AFFECTING SO MANY ASSOCIATIONS, I THINK INCLUDING THE 1250.
I THINK THEY'VE FALLEN INTO THIS BUCKET WHEREBY, UM, THE THE COSTS ARE SO ONEROUS TO REPAIR AND REPLACE ALL THESE COMPONENTS IN THEIR BUILDING THAT PERHAPS WE'RE NOT KEPT UP.
NEVERTHELESS, IT'S CREATED, AGAIN, A PERVERSE INCENTIVE, UM, TO, UH, DEVELOPERS TO COME IN AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE YOUR KNIGHT AND SHINING ARMOR.
WE'RE GONNA BUY YOU OUT OF THIS PREDICAMENT YOU'RE IN.
AND IT REALLY IS UNFAIR THAT PEOPLE, UH, WILL LOSE THEIR HOMES BECAUSE OF THIS.
SO LET'S NOT, UM, INCENTIVIZE THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR.
ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS SPEAK ON THIS? CAN I MAKE A COMMENT ON WHAT SHE SAID? I JUST WANNA BRING UP THAT, THAT I OBJECT IN, IN STRONG TERMS. I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS DOING WITH THE BIKINI, BUT THIS IS A PROBLEM FOR THE CITY.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA SET A PRECEDENT WHERE WE, THERE'S A PROBLEM ACROSS THE STREET THAT'S SOLVED BY MONEY OF A DEVELOPER ASKING FOR EXTRA HEIGHT.
WHEN DOES THIS STOP? WE SAW THIS ON, ON, UH, FIVE PARK.
YOU KNOW, HE, HE GAVE BASICALLY THE PEOPLE OF WNA UH, HAD STOCKHOLM SYNDROME FROM WATCHING THIS BUILDING DETERIORATE FOR 10 YEARS.
AND THEN HE SAID, OH, I'M GONNA GET EXTRA HYPE, BUT I'M GONNA TEAR IT DOWN AND I'M GONNA BUILD YOU A PARK.
AND THAT'S WHY PARKS ARE SO SENSITIVE.
SO WE HAVE A PARK, A THREE ACRE PARK ACROSS FROM A PUBLIX WHERE THERE'S NOTHING BUT HOMELESS PEOPLE AND KIDS PLAYING IN A PARK.
I WHEN DOES THIS STOP? WHEN DOES THE CITY, AS SHE SAYS, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IF BIKINI HOLDS HOSTEL IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE MIAMI-DADE DUMPED HOMELESS PEOPLE ON THERE.
THE THE CITY SHOULD TAKE CARE OF IT.
WE SHOULD NOT SAY TO A DEVELOPER, OH, YOU WILL GET A ONE TIME SPECIAL.
WE'RE GOING GO AGAINST WHAT AS IS AND YOU'RE GONNA SOLVE OUR PROBLEM AND GIVE YOU EXTRA HEIGHT.
UH, IN THE, IN THE CASE OF, UH, FIVE PARK, THE PROBLEM SOLVED WAS THAT THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T WANT TO TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONDEMNED.
SO BY HOLDING IT HOSTAGE, HE HAS A 550 FOOT BUILDING THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
AND IF WE START THIS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, I JUST THINK IT'S WRONG.
NOW, THAT'S FOR THE COMMISSION TO DECIDE, RIGHT? BUT THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION ON THE SUPPORT.
IS THERE ANYONE ON ZOOM? WE HAVE AT LEAST 10 CALLERS ON ZOOM TO START, SO LET'S COVER THE FIRST ONE.
YOU THERE? HELLO? YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH.
CAN YOU JUST TELL US WERE YOU, UH, WERE YOU SWORN IN YET? I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE BE SWORN IN ON THESE LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.
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DON'T.UH, I'M SPEAKING TODAY TO URGE YOU TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, OF A NEGATIVE TRANSMITTAL FOR THE APPLICANT'S ITEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF GETTING WORN DOWN HERE BY THE REPETITIVE FILINGS AND CONTINUANCES.
UM, AND THE HEAD FAKE DECREASES IN DENSITY.
YOU KNOW, THEY START AT FOUR 30 AND THEN IT'S 360, NOW IT'S THREE 30.
THE POINT IS, ALL OF THAT IS ABOVE WHAT THE LAW ALLOWS.
UM, ALL OF US ALSO ARE NOW ON NOTICE THAT THE LOBBYIST APPEARING ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER WAS EXPOSED JUST WEEKS AGO ON THE DEIS OF OUR HONORABLE CITY COMMISSION, ESSENTIALLY SEEKING TO BUY AND CORRUPT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT OF BELL ISLE.
AND NOW, AFTER THE WNA ASSOCIATION UNANIMOUSLY REJECTED THIS DEVELOPER MONSTROSITY, THE SAME BAD ACTORS ARE BEING OR REFERENCING A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THE SAME STREET ESTEEM BOARD MEMBERS, WE, THE PEOPLE OF MIAMI BEACH ARE AT A CROSSROADS.
EITHER REMAIN A RESIDENT FRIENDLY HOME FOR ALL, OR BE SOLD OUT TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER.
ATTEMPTING TO NEGOTIATE WITH THESE BAD ACTORS IS LIKE ATTEMPTING TO MAKE A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL.
I URGE YOU TO REJECT ANY MORE SPECIAL TREATMENT FOR THESE MEGA DEVELOPERS UNDER THE GUISE OF MINUSCULE PUBLIC BENEFITS.
UM, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, WHY THIS PERSON IS STILL ALLOWED TO APPEAR BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION.
UM, THE DEVELOPER REFERENCED NOT BEING ABLE TO BUILD ANOTHER MONA TERRACE 'CAUSE OF THE COST OF LAND.
UM, WHILE I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT, UM, MAYBE HE CAN SHOW US HOW MUCH HE'S PAYING THE, UH, THE RE THE OWNERS OF 1250, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE REMEDY FOR HIM IS TO GET A BETTER PRICE FROM THEM IF HE CAN'T BUILD AS OF RIGHT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AS SO FAR AS THE BIKINI HOSTEL, AGAIN, DEVELOPER GROUPS HAVE BEEN LINKED PAYING FOR THE, THE UNHOUSED PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING THERE.
SO THAT ALSO IS A VERY, AS EVERYBODY SAID BEFORE, A VERY PERVERSE KIND OF REASONING.
OUR NEXT CALLER IS GAIL DURHAM.
I LIVE IN THE WEST AVENUE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I RECENTLY ENJOYED THE, UH, RECENTLY REJOINED THE BOARD OF THE WEST AVENUE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT'S THE BEST ASSOCIATION IN MIAMI BEACH.
I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS, UM, MAYBE IT FELT LIKE INCORRECT INFORMATION GIVEN BY THE DEVELOPER.
FIVE YEARS AGO, WNA MET WITH MONNET TERRACE DEVELOPER AND WE SUPPORTED 100% THE MONNET TERRACE PROJECT.
NO ONE WENT TO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AND OBJECTED TO ANYTHING HE PROPOSED.
SECOND OF ALL, SINCE 2013, HOTELS ARE PROHIBITED IN THIS ZONE.
SO THIS PROPERTY CANNOT BE A HOTEL, IT CAN'T BE SHORT-TERM RENTAL, IT CAN'T BE A SUITE HOTEL.
UH, IT CAN'T BE APARTMENT HOTEL, IT CAN'T BE A BEN BREAKFAST.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO REFERENCE ALSO, WELL, THE BIKINI HOST.
THERE ARE 13 OTHER SMALL LOW END CHEAP HOTELS ON WEST AVENUE THAT WOULD MAKE MORE MONEY RENTING TO THE HOMELESS TRUST RATHER THAN TO TOURISTS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER'S NOT WILLING TO BUY UP ALL 13 OF THESE HOTELS, SO IT DOESN'T REALLY SOLVE ANY PROBLEM.
AND SECOND OF ALL, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THE BIKINI BAR USED TO BE THAT IT WAS OPEN TILL 5:00 AM.
HOWEVER, COURAGEOUS COMMISSIONERS HAVE REDUCED THE HOURS TO MIDNIGHT.
SO NOW THAT THE BAR CAN ONLY BE SERVED ALCOHOL TILL MIDNIGHT, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT HAVE BEEN VERY MUCH REDUCED.
UM, THERE DOESN'T SEEM, SEEM TO BE ANY COMMISSIONER SPONSOR FOR THIS PROPOSAL, UM, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANY THE COMMISSIONERS EVEN WANT THIS.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, A MAJOR CONCERN WITH THE FIVE OTHER CONDOS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHO ARE BEING AGGRESSIVELY CONTACTED BY DEVELOPER CONDO FLIPPERS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CORRECT TERM IS.
WE JUST CALL THEM DEVELOPER CONDO FLIPPERS, WHERE THEY BUY UP A WHOLE PROPERTY.
1228 HAS BEEN CONTACTED 800 WEST STAFF AND ALSO THREE CONDOS ON LINCOLN COURT.
SO, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE SPREADING, IT WOULD BE VERY DANGEROUS ZONING PLANNING TO ALLOW CONDO DEVELOPERS TO GIVE MONEY OR CASH OR BUY OUT A BUILDING NEXT DOOR IN EXCHANGE FOR EXTRA HEIGHT AND FAR.
UM, PLEASE ABIDE BY WHAT HAPPENED AT THE JANUARY 6TH LAB MEETING WHERE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS OPPOSED THIS.
OUR NEXT CALLER IS MARTIN MOLER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TODAY.
UH, I WAS AT THAT WANER MEETING WHERE 98 OUT OF 102 PEOPLE EXPRESSED OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT.
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UH, I THINK THAT'S EXTRAORDINARY IN THIS TODAY AND AGE THAT YOU CAN GET THAT MANY PEOPLE TO AGREE ON ANYTHING.AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE ATMOSPHERE, THE ENERGY AT THAT MEETING WAS EXTRAORDINARY.
IT WAS, WAS SOMETHING I HAVE NOT SEEN MUCH IN MIAMI BEACH.
FRANKLY, PEOPLE WERE MOTIVATED AGAINST THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I THINK BY AND LARGE, THEY REP, THEY REP RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A CLASSIC CASE OF UNFORTUNATELY, DEVELOPER MANIPULATION.
WE'RE STILL SEEING TODAY THE PINK BRUTALIST BLOB THAT WE ALL KNOW IS NOTHING LIKE WHAT THAT AS OF WRIGHT PROJECT WOULD EVER LOOK LIKE.
UH, I WONDER IF THE, THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS ARE AWARE THAT MANY SOUTH BEACH CITIZENS GOT TEXT MESSAGES OUTTA THE BLUE, OSTENSIBLY ASKING YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT THE BIKINI HOSTEL, BUT ACTUALLY TRYING TO PUSH YOU TO RESPOND IN A WAY THAT WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU FAVOR THE TOWER AT 1250 WEST AVENUE, WHICH WAS, WAS, UH, VERY, UH, VAGUELY MENTIONED IN THE TEXT MESSAGE.
SO WE'RE SEEING THIS KIND OF MANIPULATION, EVEN OF THE POPULACE, UH, TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE BUILDING WHAT WOULD BE A, A DECEPTIVE, UH, LEVEL OF SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, I GREATLY APPRECIATED THE BOARD MEMBER WHO MENTIONED THE PROBLEMS, UH, RESULTING FROM FIVE PARK.
AND THAT'S ONE OF OUR GREATEST CONCERNS IS THAT ALLOWING ANYTHING ABOVE, AND AS OF RIGHT DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE WOULD PERPETUATE THE THE PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD.
WE'RE GOING TO FIND MORE AND MORE DEVELOPERS COMING AND SAYING, HEY, YOU DID THIS FOR 1250 WEST AVENUE.
WHY CAN'T YOU JUST GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE? AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A WALL OF BUILDINGS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF MIAMI BEACH, AND WE HAVE WITHERING NEIGHBORHOODS, WITHERING BUSINESSES ON THE INSIDE BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW PERFECTLY WELL THAT ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS WILL BE AIMED AT THE ABSOLUTE RICHEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE HERE ON A DAILY OR WEEKLY BASIS, AND THEY WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING LOCAL BUSINESSES.
PLEASE OPPOSE ANYTHING ABOVE AND AS OF RIPE DEVELOPMENT FOR 1250 WEST AVENUE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
I I'M NOT AS ELOQUENT AS THE PRIOR SPEAKERS IN, IN MY MESSAGING, BUT, UM, I'M, I, I BELIEVE IN DEVELOPMENT.
I BELIEVE IN ADVANCEMENT THAT, THAT THINGS GET OLD AND THEY HAVE TO BE REPLACED.
BUT, UM, THERE ARE COUPLE, COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT, THAT THE SPONSOR SAID RELATIVE TO COST.
UH, ONE IS THAT, UH, THE COST TO BUY PROPERTY AND BUY OUT THOSE CONDO UNITS, UH, THAT EXIST TODAY WENT UP.
YES, THEY DID, BUT ALSO THE SALE PRICE WENT UP.
SO WITHOUT A P AND L STATEMENT OF WHAT 150 OR 200 FEET WOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, TO THE SPONSOR, THERE'S REALLY NO BASIS TO STATE THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING DOUBLED WELL.
SO THE SORT OF, THE PRICE OF HIS CONDO WHEN COMPLETED.
SO THAT SHOULD BE A, A A ZERO SUM GAME.
UH, WHAT'S MORE, UH, I AM REALLY DISTURBED BY THE TIMING OF THAT, UH, EFFORT BY THE HOSPITAL TO TURN THAT INTO A HOMELESS SHELTER.
UM, THE TIMING WAS JUST A, YOU KNOW, AS THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SPONSOR TOOK PLACE, WHETHER THE SPONSOR HAD PARTICIPATION IN THAT, I HAVE NO IDEA, BUT I COULD TELL YOU THAT HIS, HIS, UH, EFFORTS TO CREATE THAT 320 FOOT TOWER NOW HAD DIRECT RESULT IN, UH, THE ATTEMPT BY THE HOSTEL TO, TO HOLD THE, THE CITY HOSTAGE.
UM, AND THAT'S NOT ANY WAY TO DEAL WITH THE CITY.
IT DOESN'T WORK IN MIAMI BEACH IS THE, IS IS WHAT, AND I, I USED TO AGREE WITH KEITH MARKS ALL THE TIME LATELY, NOT SO MUCH, BUT I APPRECIATE HIS, HIS, UH, COMMENTS ON THAT ISSUE ON HIS FIRST DAY ON THE JOB.
UM, SO WE NEED MORE MIDDLE CLASS BY LIMITED LOWERING THE NUMBER OF VOLUME OF MIDDLE CLASS UNITS IN THE CITY IS NOT A POSITIVE THING, AND IT'S GONNA BE A DOMINO EFFECT ALL.
AND IT MAY BE OUR, OUR OUR, OUR THE PLANNING BOARDS WISH THAT ALL OF WEST AVENUE BECOME, YOU KNOW, AFFLUENT AND $3,000 A SQUARE FOOT UNITS.
UM, I KNOW IT WILL BE THE NEXT BUILDING NEXT DOOR WILL BE THE NEXT UNIT, THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY FOR A DEVELOPER TO CREATE THAT ENVIRONMENT.
BUT IS THAT WHAT WE WANT? DO WE WANT TO HAVE, UH, AFFLUENT PEOPLE ALONG WEST AVENUE THAT COME FOR THREE TO SIX MONTHS A YEAR? OR DO WE WANT RESIDENTS WITH SMALLER UNITS MORE VOLUME? UH, THAT'S A QUESTION OF THE PLANNING.
AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
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OUR NEXT CALLER IS ALEX.MY NAME IS ALEX TI UH, I PERSONALLY LOVE THIS BUILDING.
UH, I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
IT'S HAS A VERY NICE, ELEGANT TOUCH.
UM, I DON'T UNDERST EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY THESE PEOPLE, THEY'RE OPPOSED TO THIS.
I MEAN, THE WHOLE AREA'S GONNA BE UPGRADED.
IT'S LIKE SOMEBODY GIVES US SOMETHING, WE GET THE BENEFIT, WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING.
THERE ARE MANY TALL BUILDINGS.
THEY'VE BEEN TALL BUILDINGS ON WEST AVENUE.
SO THE BOARDWALK, YOU GUYS DON'T EVEN SAY MUCH ABOUT THE BOARDWALK.
THE BOARDWALK COULD HAVE BEEN DONE FIVE YEARS AGO.
THIS DEVELOPER WILL HELP TO EXPEDITE.
THE ONE THING WE DON'T HAVE IN LIFE IS TIME.
SO WE'RE GONNA WAIT UNTIL YOU APPROVE THE BOARDWALK.
AND WHEN WHY HASN'T HAPPENED, WHY THEY'RE SHORT IN BUDGET, THIS DEVELOPER'S GONNA MAKE A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AS WELL AS THE MON.
AND IT'S GONNA LOOK, BOARDWALK IS GONNA FINISH.
UH, AS FAR AS FAR AS THE BIKINI HOSTEL, EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S FULL OF HOMELESS.
IT'S NOT ABOUT HAVING A LICENSE TO OPERATE UNTIL TWO O'CLOCK OR 5:00 AM OR ANYTHING.
SO YOU WANNA DO A NICE ENVIRONMENT, YOU WANNA WALK TO A NICE CITY, UH, MOST LIKELY THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THE GARAGE.
I BELIEVE THIS IS GREAT NEIGHBOR LIKE MYSELF.
MANY PEOPLE THAT I KNOW, THEY LIKE IT.
UM, I WANNA TAKE THIS IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DIRECTION, WHICH IS, I'M TRYING TO IMAGINE WHAT IF THIS WERE A PRIVATE CLUB, A BAR CLUB TYPE OF THING INSTEAD OF A CONDOMINIUM.
AND A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THIS PROMOTER OF THIS CLUB HAD COMPLETED A DIFFERENT EXCLUSIVE CLUB, WHICH CONFORMS TO ALL THE LAWS REGARDING LIQUOR LICENSING, LIKE HOURS, AMPLIFIED MUSIC, OUTDOOR NOISE AND ALL THAT.
ITS LIMITED MEMBERSHIP SOLD OUT AT AMAZINGLY HIGH RATES.
UH, THE NEIGHBORS ARE PRETTY HAPPY, IN PART BECAUSE HARDLY ANYONE ACTUALLY EVER GOES TO THE CLUB.
UM, THERE'S HARDLY ANY TRAFFIC, HARDLY ANY GARBAGE AND ALL THAT.
OF COURSE, THE NEIGHBORS NEVER GO BECAUSE IT'S WAY TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THEM.
UM, BUT HAVING MADE A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT DEAL, THIS PROMOTER WANTS TO DEVELOP ANOTHER CLUB.
BUT THIS CLUB, HE SAYS CANNOT SUCCEED WITHOUT PERMANENT EXEMPTIONS FROM MAJOR ASPECTS OF THE LIQUOR LAWS.
THEY NEED TO HAVE MUSIC ALL NIGHT.
THEY NEED EXCEPTIONS TO LOTS AND LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, IN ORDER TO MAKE MONEY, THEY CLAIM BECAUSE LIQUOR COSTS MORE NOW BARTENDERS MAKE MORE MONEY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UM, THEY ARE TRYING TO GREASE THE PUBLIC MACHINE APPROVAL MACHINERY, UH, BY PAYMENTS OF VARIOUS SORTS, UM, WHICH THEY SAY WILL BENEFIT THE PUBLIC.
AND TO HELP THIS HAPPEN, MIND YOU, THEY HAVE CONCOCTED AN OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT THEY'RE CALLING, LET'S JUST CALL IT THE CLEVELAND OVERLAY DISTRICT, JUST, JUST FOR FUN.
ALRIGHT? IN THIS SCENARIO, WOULD ANYBODY ENTERTAIN THAT ARGUMENT EVEN FOR A MINUTE? THE ANSWER IS NO, THEY WOULDN'T.
AND YET WHAT WE HAVE HERE AT 1250 WEST IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING.
IT IS A DEVELOPER COMING IN AND SAYING THAT, WHAT ARE THE LAWS? WHY ARE THE LAWS EVEN HERE? WHY BOTHER WITH THE LAWS? I'M JUST GOING TO STATE A POSITION AND THEN I'M GOING TO SEE THE CITY PLANNER REPORT.
JUST KIND OF MEET ME HALFWAY AND I CAN STATE ANY POSITION AND THEY'LL MEET ME HALFWAY.
EVEN IF IN THEIR ANALYSIS EVERYTHING IS INCONSISTENT, DOESN'T MATTER FOR SOME REASON, THEY'RE GONNA MEET HIM HALFWAY ANYWAY.
AND THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN IN A SITUATION WITH A PRIVATE CLUB AND A LIQUOR LICENSE AND ALL THAT.
SO WHY IS IT HAPPENING HERE? I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT NOTE THAT THE ONLY POSITIVES THAT KEEP COMING OUT, THIS CAME OUT OF THE, UM, PLANNER'S REPORT.
THIS CAME FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S TESTIMONY, UH, HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE IMPACTS, UH, LIKE TRAFFIC FOR INSTANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THAT'S NICE, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THIS IS SUPER PRIME REAL ESTATE.
IT'S GOING TO BE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
THAT MEANS THE UNITS ARE GOING TO BE VERY LARGE, AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FEWER OF THEM IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE.
IT ALSO MEANS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TONS OF THEIR OWN PARKING.
UM, THE PEOPLE WON'T BE THERE VERY MUCH.
SO THERE'S ACTUALLY HARDLY ANY, UM, IMPACT ON OUR UTILITY SYSTEMS.
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UM, BUT THE POINT IS, THAT'S GONNA BE THE CASE EITHER WAY.WHETHER YOU HAVE THIS MUCH LARGER, DENSER, TALLER TOWER OR YOU HAVE A MATTER OF RIGHT DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S, I, I THINK YOU NEED TO DISCOUNT THAT ARGUMENT AND THAT'S WHERE ALMOST ALL THE POSITIVES OF THIS ARE COMING INTO IT.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY LAW AND ORDER.
THIS IS SOMETHING MAYOR MINOR EMPHASIZES OVER AND OVER, YOU RAN ON IT AND ALL THAT.
UH, BUT WHY WOULD THIS BE CONFINED TO POLICE ACTIONS AND ESPECIALLY TO ROWDY CROWDS OF STUDENTS? IT'S SPRING BREAK.
UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT SOMEHOW WHEN IN PLANNING AND ZONING, THE LAW IS HELD AS SORT OF A COMPLETELY NEGOTIABLE THING, WHEREAS FOR OTHER LAWS, IT IS REGARDED AS SOMETHING THAT YOU DO NOT BREAK THAT LAW.
HAVE YOU, YOU HAVE EXCEEDED THE TIME ALLOWABLE FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT.
THANK YOU FOR, UH, HEARING THE COMMUNITY'S THOUGHTS.
I LIVE IN THE WEST AVENUE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
WE HAVE BEEN ATTENDING THESE MEETINGS ON THIS PROPERTY PROJECT FOR, WHAT, SIX MONTHS NOW.
UM, I'VE NEVER SEEN EVIDENCE OF THIS DEVELOPER TEAM APPRO APPROPRIATELY APPROACHING THIS PROJECT.
UM, WITH CONSIDERATION TO THE COMMUNITY.
IT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD THEIR OPENING GAMBIT OF THE HORRENDOUSLY TALL NEEDLE TOWER.
AND IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT THAT WAS JUST A MANIPULATION TO COME BACK TO US AND NOW TRY TO SELL US THE QUOTE UNQUOTE SHORTER TOWER, WHICH IS STILL OUTSIDE OF OUR LAWS.
UM, I AM PERSONALLY VERY TIRED OF HEARING THE ARGUMENT THAT THEY CAN'T MAKE MONEY ON THIS, UM, UNLESS THEY GO OUTSIDE OUR LAWS.
WELL, YOU ARE A PRIVATE DEVELOPER.
PERHAPS ON THIS INVESTMENT YOU SHOULD SELL OFF AND CALL IT A LOSS.
IF YOU CAN'T GET IT DONE AT A PROFIT THAT SUITS YOU, THEN MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE PROJECT FOR YOU.
BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING THAT WE CAN FIND A CREATIVE SOLUTION THAT IS BEAUTIFUL, THAT CONFORMS TO OUR LAWS.
UM, SOMEONE TODAY MENTIONED THE HIDEOUS BLOB, THE ONE THAT CONFORMS TO FAR.
I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THAT REVIEW.
UM, WE HAVE WONDERFUL ARCHITECTURE SCHOOLS HERE IN THE AREA.
I BET ANY NUMBER OF STUDENTS COULD COME UP WITH A GORGEOUS BUILDING THAT IS AFFORDABLE AND SUITS OUR COMMUNITY AND MAKES US PROUD THAT COMES IN, PERHAPS NOT AT A GREAT ECONOMIC PROFIT, BUT AGAIN, THAT IS THE PRIVATE DEVELOPER'S RISK.
PERHAPS THIS INVESTMENT IS NOT WORKING OUT FOR YOU.
I INVITE YOU TO LEAVE THIS INVESTMENT BEHIND.
I'M A RESIDENT OF MIAMI BEACH.
UH, I WAS BORN IN MAMIE BEACH AND I'VE BEEN HERE FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS.
UH, FOR ME THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT.
AS SOMEONE WHO SPENDS A LOT OF TIME IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WHETHER WALKING TO MEET FRIENDS AND FAMILY, ENJOYING THE BAY, WALK ALONGSIDE THEM, OR JUST PASSING THROUGH LITERALLY EVERY DAY.
I GREW UP HERE AND I WANT TO SEE IT THRIVE.
UH, I SEE THE REPLACEMENT OF THE BIKINI HOSTEL, UH, WITH A PARK OR GARAGE OR WHATEVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEELS AND NEEDS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE HOSPITAL IS DEFINITELY NOT SOMETHING THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS WANT.
AND THE COMPLETION OF THE BAY WALK ARE CHANGES THAT WOULD HAVE A GREAT IMPACT ON US, ESPECIALLY IN ME.
SINCE IT'S SOMETHING THAT I REALLY WANT TO BE FINISHED IN THE CITY, UH, IT WILL CREATE A SAFER, A MORE PEACEFUL ENVIRONMENT WHILE ALSO MAKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD MORE WALKABLE AND WELCOMING FOR EVERYONE.
AND JUST TO FINISH, I WANT TO SAY THAT I REALLY LIKE THE IMPROVEMENT THAT THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM IS MAKING.
UH, I SEE THE SHORTER THE HEIGHT OF THE NEW BUILDING
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TO BE VERY NICE.UH, IT LOOKS, UH, IMPACTFUL IN A WAY THAT TOURISTS, RESIDENTS ARE GONNA LIKE IT.
AND I REALLY HOPE THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD GET ON WITH THIS PROJECT AND WOULD AGREE WITH IT AND WOULD PASS IT THROUGH TO THE COMMISSION AND TO THE MAYOR.
UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THIS.
AND I WANTED TO TAKE, TO THANK THE TEAM, I WANTED TO THANK, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD.
I WANTED TO THANK EVERYONE IN THE CITY.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING MIAMI BEACH GETTING EVEN MORE AND MORE BEAUTIFUL, SAFER, PEACEFUL, AND NICE FOR EVERYONE IN THE UH, CITY.
OUR NEXT CALLER IS JESSICA DAVIS.
JESSICA, HELLO? YES, TWO MINUTES AND, AND PLEASE DON'T BE REDUNDANT IF, IF IT'S JUST REPEATING, BUT GO AHEAD.
I AM AN OWNER AT 1228 WEST AVENUE.
I HAVE, UH, OWNED AND LIVED AT 1228 WEST AVENUE FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
MY PARTICULAR UNIT, UH, WHICH I RETIRED TO, IS DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENT.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I REALLY LIKE THIS NEW PROPOSAL AND THE HEIGHT REDUCTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO SIT ON MY TERRACE AND LOOK AT MY BEAUTIFUL BAYVIEW AND LOOK AT A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, WHICH I BELIEVE, UH, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL WOULD PROVIDE US.
UM, WHAT I WOULD URGE THE PLANNING BOARD TO DO IS TO PLEASE TAKE WHAT THESE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ARE SAYING WITH A GRAIN OF SALT BECAUSE, UM, I DO NOT WANT TO BE, UH, HAVE MY, UM, INVESTMENT AND MY VIEWS DICTATED TO BY THEM.
UM, AT THE JANUARY 6TH MEETING, WHICH MS. LIDOS MENTIONED, UH, MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE OPPOSED TO THE 1250 TOWER WHO WERE THERE DO NOT LIVE ON WEST AVENUE, INCLUDING MS. DURHAM, WHO USED TO LIVE ON WEST AVENUE, BUT NO LONGER DOES.
AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT DISINGENUOUS THAT MS. LIDOS, WHO LIVES IN THE FLORIDIAN, ONE OF THE TALLEST AND PROBABLY WIDEST BUILDINGS ON WEST AVENUE, IS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT SHE'S NOT GOING TO BE LIVING NEXT DOOR TO.
UM, I REALLY, YES, I UNDERSTAND IT IS ABOUT WEST AVENUE AND ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS, BUT PLEASE, I URGE YOU TO TAKE THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE, 1228 WEST AVENUE, THE RESIDENTS, THE OWNERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND IN MY MIND, UH, WHAT IS PROPOSED, UM, THE TOWER HEIGHT IS, IS FINE.
AND AGAIN, WE WANT TO BE SURROUNDED BY BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR TAKING ALL OF THIS IN CONSIDER INTO CONSIDERATION.
I PERSONALLY REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, YOU JUST THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE AT 1228 WEST AVENUE.
OUR NEXT UM, CALLER IS DEBORAH.
HI, HOW ARE YOU? AND THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS.
LIKE LET'S BE POSITIVE, LET'S CHANGE MIAMI BEACH.
WE NEED SOME, LIKE A NEWS VIEWS.
WE NEED, WE NEED TO BE, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO JUST HAVE A NEW BETTER FUTURE FOR ALL OF US.
WE'RE, WE'RE MIAMI BEACH IS IS A PLACE WHERE IT'S A LOT OF HOMELESS, IT'S A LOT OF, UM, WE NEED TO CHANGE.
I JUST WANNA TELL EVERYONE THAT WE HAVE TO BE MOST POSITIVE ABOUT IT.
THEY'RE BRINGING NEW THINGS, NEW BUILDINGS.
I LIVE IN THE 65TH, UH, WEST AVENUE AND I WANNA SEE NICE THINGS.
I DON'T WANNA SEE ALL THE BUILDINGS.
AND I NEED THIS RESISTANCE TO CHANGE.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE AND POSITIVE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING.
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TO SAY I ALSO LIVE ON WEST AVENUE AND I REALLY SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED ALSO WITH THE CHANGES THAT WERE PROPOSED TODAY.I THINK IT'S AN ICONIC AND THOUGHTFUL DESIGN THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE ARCHITECTURAL LANDSCAPE AND IT WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO A CONTINUED GROWTH AND MODERNIZATION OF MIAMI BEACH, WHICH I THINK IS MUCH NEEDED.
AND THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SHARE.
OUR NEXT CALLERS, ERIC MARSHALL.
PLANNING BOARD, UH, MEMBERS AND FOR TAKING THE TIME AS ALWAYS, SEEMS TO BE A
I GUESS WITH REGARDS TO, UH, THE PRESENTATION, THAT CONTEXT VIEW OF WEST AVENUE IN 2000, UH, I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDINGS.
WHAT THEY FAILED TO MENTION IS ALL THOSE BUILDINGS BESIDES FIVE PARKS WERE BUILT IN 2005 OR SOONER.
UH, WEST AVENUE HAS LIVED HERE EVER SINCE.
AND, UH, VERY FRIGHTENED THAT IF THIS ONE'S APPROVED, THAT IT'S JUST GONNA GO RIGHT DOWN THAT ROAD.
YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S MY MAIN, MAIN CONCERN.
ONE, ONCE THEY'LL USE THAT SAME ARGUMENT, THIS IS NO COINCIDENCE THAT IT'S SO SOON AFTER FIVE PARTS.
SO MY, MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT IF WE APPROVE THIS ONE, MR. MOONEY, WHO DAVID EZ REFERRED TO AS THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, TWICE TO TURN THIS DOWN, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDED, UH, LOWER HEIGHT, NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, HE WENT RIGHT THROUGH THOSE LISTS AND NINE OF THEM DIDN'T MEET OR WORK CONSISTENT.
I DON'T WANT TO BE REDUNDANT WITH EVERYBODY ELSE SAYING THE SAME THINGS AS WELL, BUT FOR SURE THIS SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING WHERE, IF THIS GOES THROUGH THE NEXT ONE.
AND I LOVE THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBER WHO MENTIONED, HEY, WHEN DID IT BECOME THE DEVELOPER'S, UH, PREROGATIVE OR, UH, RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX UP A MESS OF THE CITY, WHICH THE BEGINNING HOSTELS.
THANKS AGAIN FOR TAKING THE TIME.
LIZ HIRSCHFIELD, HOW MANY MORE ON THE LINE DO YOU SEE? ONE MORE.
CAN YOU YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEP.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY I WAS ACTUALLY, I'M 1330 WEST AND I SAT ON A PRIOR CALL AND WAS REALLY OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I'M ACTUALLY PLEASED TO SEE THE, THE REDUCTION IN HEIGHT.
UM, I THINK THE BUILDING LOOKS BEAUTIFUL.
I DO KNOW THAT LOOKING AT THE BUILDING NEXT TO US, UM, THE MONADS GORGEOUS, BUT IT SEEMS TO HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES.
SO I WOULD WANNA JUST BE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY, UM, CAREFULLY THOUGHT THROUGH IN TERMS OF THE QUALITY AND HOW IT'S BEING BUILT.
'CAUSE IT DOES, THERE WAS SOME RESIDENT FROM MONAD ON THE LAST CALL THAT WERE REALLY UPSET WITH A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE LEFT INCOMPLETE.
UM, AND THEN I THINK PEOPLE BRING UP A LOT OF REALLY GOOD POINTS AROUND LIKE, WHY ARE WE LIKE BENDING ON LAWS AND REGULATIONS JUST TO LIKE LET A DEVELOPER DO SOMETHING.
I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS LIKE, IF THE CITY'S NOT GONNA TAKE CARE OF THE BIKINI TERRA, THE BIKINI HOSTEL OR FINISH THE BAY WALK, WHAT CHOICES DO WE HAVE LEFT? BUT TO COMPROMISE WITH THE DEVELOPER WHO'S GONNA BRING KIND OF NEW AND MODERN, UM, BUILDING TO THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND I THINK IT LOOKS MUCH BETTER.
SO I AT THIS POINT AM IN SUPPORT OF IT WHEN BEFORE I WAS NOT.
AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY DEFENSE OF, UH, GAIL DERHAM, APPARENTLY SHE DOES LIVE ON WEST AVENUE, SO I WANT TO CLARIFY THE RECORD.
DO YOU WANNA ALLOW HER TO SPEAK AGAIN, GAIL? IF THAT'S SIMPLY TO SAY WHERE YOU LIVE? I, I JUST REMEDIED THAT, SO.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR CALLERS ON ZOOM.
I CLOSED THE PUBLIC, BUT GO AHEAD.
UH, GREETING EVERYONE, UH, I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR PARTICIPATION AND ONLINE AND IN PERSON.
AND I'D LIKE TO, UH, REITERATE, UH, SOME THOUGHTS OF, UH, MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE CALLERS BACK THAT MENTIONED THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
UH, THEY MENTIONED THE HOMELESSNESS ISSUE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I AM, UH, UH, PASSIONATE ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AN EXAMPLE, UH, YESTERDAY ON, UH, WASHINGTON AVENUE NEAR, UH, PETER RUSTICA, A HOMELESS, UH, GENTLEMAN, WAS, UM, SPEAKING INAPPROPRIATELY TO MANY OF ME.
THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, ALLEGEDLY THREATENED, UM, AN S ASSAULT ON THIS, UH, IN THIS WOMAN.
AND THE GENTLEMAN, OF COURSE, WAS, UM, INTERCEPTED BY A CITY OF MIAMI BEACH, UH, PD.
UH, THEY ALSO DID REMOVE A, WHAT APPEARED TO BE A METALLIC, UH, BAR OR OBJECT.
AND THIS WAS ALL IN BROAD DAYLIGHT.
SO AGAIN, WE DO HAVE MANY ISSUES AND THIS BOARD IS TRYING THE BEST, UH, THAT THEY CAN TO TAKE ALL PERSPECTIVES INTO, INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE NEED TO REALLY THANK THE PEOPLE, UH, THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, MR. MARKS, MR. NEEDLEMAN, MR. FRIEDEN, MR. SMITH, BRIAN, YOU OF COURSE, MR. ELIAS.
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SO WE THANK YOU AND AGAIN, WE'LL DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN, BUT WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM AND IT CANNOT BE SWEPT UNDER THE RUG.AND WITH THAT, I YIELD MY TIME.
OKAY, SIR, CAN YOU GIMME YOUR NAME IF I GOT YOUR NAME? YES.
MY NAME IS LUIGI MARY, THAT IS LUID AS IN DELTA, GI, MY LAST NAME IS M-A-R-Y-L 1 16 32 MERIDIAN AVENUE.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, I'M JUST GETTING MY 2 CENTS.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S STRONG FEELINGS ON BOTH, UH, SIDES OF THIS.
MY PERSONAL VIEW, AND THERE'S A, A GOOD SAYING IN LAW THAT REASONABLE MINDS CAN DIFFER.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYONE'S RIGHT OR WRONG.
I PERSONALLY THINK THIS PROJECT IS MUCH BETTER, UH, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED THAN WHAT WOULD BE AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, UH, JUST ONE OPINION.
UM, BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS DELAY THE RECOMMENDATION, WHETHER IT'S POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL START WITH KEITH.
UH, I'M NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK MANAD WAS, UH, BRILLIANT.
UH, I JUST HAVE PROBLEMS BASED ON PAST EXPERIENCE WITH DEVELOPERS IN THE CITY THAT IF YOU GIVE AN OVERLAY AND YOU MULTIPLY THE FAR BASED ON ITEMS THAT AREN'T RELATED DIRECTLY TO THAT STRUCTURE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BIKINI HOSTEL, WHICH SHOULD BE A COMMISSION, MAYOR, CITY MANAGER ISSUE.
UM, IF YOU START ADDING IN ITEMS LIKE THE BAY WALK, UH, I DON'T THINK DEVELOPERS SHOULD GET CREDIT.
I THINK PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC, UH, NEED AND THE PUBLIC, UH, BENEFIT ARE ITEMS. AND I'M GONNA JUST YEAH.
DIVERT BY THE WAY, I WANTED TO SAY ONE THING AND AND TO TAG ON I LIKE I AGREE WITH YOU.
AND SO MY VIEW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT, NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT PROJECT, BUT I, JUST TO GET A BETTER I'M, BUT GO AHEAD.
I JUST WANNA STATE THAT I THINK THE PUBLIC BENEFITS ARE THE ONES THAT I'M SEEING.
THE, THE COMMISSION DO, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, INCENTIVIZING FAR FOR, UH, LONG-TERM RENTALS, INCENTIVIZING CONVERTING HOTELS TO CONDOS? I THINK THE, THE, WE GOT IT BACKWARDS THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE ECONOMIC DRI DRIVERS, SUCH AS DEVELOPERS TELLING US THAT THEY NEED EXTRA, UM, VARIANCES BASED ON PUBLIC BENEFITS.
I THINK THE PUBLIC BENEFITS SHOULD BE DRIVEN BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE COMMISSIONERS.
SO IN SUMMARY, UH, I DO AGREE WITH THE NEGATIVE VIEW.
UH, AND THIS MAY NOT BE POPULAR, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IT WAS OVERLY GENEROUS BECAUSE OF GIVING BENEFIT TO THE BAY WALK AND TO THE BIKINI HOSPITAL.
I THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO REC, I PERSONALLY THINK WE SHOULD JUST SAY NEGATIVE AND LET IT TO THE COMMISSION.
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS ON MAXIMUMS, WHICH I DISAGREE WITH, IT NEEDS TO BE CRANKED DOWN FROM WHAT, UM, THE 150 HEIGHT AND THE 4 75 FAR.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS CITY, LIKE, LIKE ALL CITIES IS CHANGING.
UM, IN, IN 40, 50 YEARS FROM NOW, A LOT OF THESE BUILDINGS WE SEE AREN'T GONNA BE HERE FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE REPLACED WITH SOMETHING.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS WHAT, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL BE A PROCESS LIKE WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW, THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, UM, COMMISSION MEETINGS AND, AND, AND MEN.
WHAT, UM, LAST MONTH WE HEARD ANOTHER ONE IN NORTH BEACH.
UM, THAT ONE WAS A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION WITH THE SIZE OF THE LOT.
IT HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY OVERWHELMING NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT.
UM, IT HAD A HISTORIC BUILDING ON, ON SITE, A VERY HISTORIC BUILDING ON SITE THAT WAS GONNA BE REBUILT.
UM, SO WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, EVERY, EVERY APPLICATION DIFFERENTLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE THOUGH, I, I, I BELIEVE IS AT SCALE WITH, WITH THE AS-BUILT ENVIRONMENT ON, ON WEST AVENUE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT, IT, IT DOES STAND OUT.
AND, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S, WE'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE SUNNY ISLES OR BRICKLE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT JUST, IT, IT STANDS OUT.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE, BE CAREFUL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GOING IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER'S GONNA BE BUILT THERE IS, IS IF SOMETHING DOES GET BUILT, UM, WON'T BE A LITTLE TALLER.
UM, BUT I THINK THIS ONE AS IT'S, AS IT'S, UM, DESIGNED IS JUST IS, IS TOO MUCH.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'M, I'M BASING IT ON, I MEAN, MY, AGAIN, I AGREE WITH KEITH.
I MEAN, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND A NEGATIVE, UM, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY, BUT AGAIN, IT'S BASED ON THE MERITS OF THE, OF THE PROPOSAL.
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A DEVELOPER IS GOING TO PROVIDE TO THE CITY, UM, OR, OR WHATEVER PUBLIC BENEFIT.I THINK GOING DOWN THAT PATH IS REALLY SCARY BECAUSE IT BASICALLY TAKES OUR ZONING CODE AND SAYS, WE DON'T REALLY NEED IT ANYMORE.
WE WILL JUST LET SOMEONE COME IN AND SAY WHAT THEY WANNA BUILD AND THE CITY WILL PUT A PRICE TAG ON IT AND, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
SO WE WOULDN'T NEED A ZONING CODE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S ON THE, THE MERITS OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
NOW, WITH ALL, WITH ALL THAT SAID, I'M NOT OPPOSED.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU MADE A GOOD POINT WHERE, OR IF SOMEONE DID THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE BUILDINGS THERE ON WEST AVENUE ARE THE SAME HEIGHT.
IF YOU WANTED TO GO UP A LITTLE BIT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAVE IT STAND OUT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'D QUANTIFY THAT.
IF 50 FEET, FOUR OR FIVE STORIES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO MAKE IT LOOK DIFFERENT.
I, I MEAN, I'M, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT THIS ONE, THIS AS PROPOSED, I JUST THINK IS, IS OUTTA SCALE, UM, WITH, WITH WHAT'S ON WEST AVENUE NOW.
SO, I MEAN, AGAIN, I'M, I WOULD RECOMMEND A NEGATIVE, UM, RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I, I AM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT LOOKING PROJECT.
I, I HOPE YOU CAN FIND A, A SOLUTION, YOU KNOW, TO, TO QUELL ALL THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS AND, AND REACH AN AGREEMENT ON IT.
BUT FOR ME, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ZONING CODE IS THE SHOULD STAY IN PLACE UN UNLESS THERE'S REALLY EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND IF WE ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GO BACK ON THE, OR MAKE EXCEPTIONS TO THE ZONING CODE, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FULL NEIGHBORHOOD BUY-IN FULL NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT.
UH, BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET AS, AND WE'VE CLEARLY HEARD FROM SOME OF THE BOARDS THAT, THAT THEY'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF, OF DISCUSSING THIS AND REACHING AGREEMENTS.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE AN UP OR DOWN, UH, RECOMMENDATION TODAY AND, AND NOT PROLONG THIS FURTHER.
UM, SO I'M NOT PERSONALLY READY TO GIVE A, A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I THINK I PROBABLY WOULD BE HAD, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MORE DISCUSSIONS AND NEGOTIATIONS TAKEN PLACE, UM, TO, TO FIND A, A MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN WHERE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AND WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DEVELOPER'S LOOKING TO DO WHAT, LOOKING BETWEEN WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AND WHAT THE DEVELOPER'S LOOKING TO DO.
SO, UM, I THINK THERE'S MORE ROOM TO NEGOTIATE, MORE ROOM TO CREATE A, A PROJECT THAT EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IT'S THERE YET.
AND SO, GIVEN THE TIME CONSTRAINTS AND THE REQUEST FROM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DEVELOPER OR THE APPLICANT TO, UM, TO PUSH THIS FORWARD, I'M A NO VOTE FOR NOW.
SO MICHAEL, UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE TIMING OF THE CONVEYANCE? SO, SO ASSUMING THAT THIS GETS APPROVED AND, AND YOU ALL CLOSE ON THE BIKINI HOUSEHOLD'S, THE TIMING OF CONVEYANCE TO THE CITY.
WELL, I THINK THAT WE WOULD TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DEMOLITION REMEDIATION IF NECESSARY.
SO I WOULD SAY, BUT THE USE WOULD STOP RIGHT AWAY.
THE CONVEYANCE USE STOPS RIGHT AWAY AND THEN, YEAH, MAYBE SIX TO NINE MONTHS.
AND THEN ALL PARKING FOR THIS PROJECT IS CONTAINED WITHIN THE SUBTERRANEAN GARAGE.
UM, I MEAN, GENERALLY I'D SAY THERE ARE DEFINITELY THINGS IN THE SCALE OF THIS PROJECT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MIGHT CONCERN ME.
BUT THE WAY THAT I LOOK AT IT IS RIGHT NOW WHAT'S, THERE IS AN ABSOLUTE BLIGHT TO THE COMMUNITY.
UH, AND I THINK MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO CALLED IN TODAY SEEM TO SHARE THAT SENTIMENT.
ADDITIONALLY, IF YOU WERE TO HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT WERE TO COME IN, UH, AND DO A PROJECT AS OF RIGHT, IT WOULD, IT MIGHT EVEN BE WORSE THAN WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW.
CERTAINLY AS IT RELATES TO THE STREETSCAPE AND KIND OF THE VIEWS THAT YOU, OR MAYBE THE LIGHT THAT COMES IN THROUGH THE SIDE SETBACKS.
UM, SO BECAUSE OF THAT AND A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT AT THIS BOARD, I, I LIKE TO KIND OF WEIGH WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW, WHAT CAN THEY DO AS OF RIGHT AND WHAT CAN WE TRY AND HELP INFORM TO HAVE AN OVERALL BETTER, UH, YOU KNOW, RESULT.
I MEAN, I, I FOR ONE, WOULD BE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION, MOSTLY BECAUSE I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE JUST KILL IT, THEN IT KIND OF LEAVES WHAT'S THERE NOW OR IT LEAVES FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO COME IN AND DO SOMETHING AS OF RIGHT, WHICH IS, AGAIN, NOTHING GREAT AND PROBABLY WORSE.
UM, SO I, I WANT THE CITY TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE.
I'D BE IN FAVOR OF PUSHING IT FORWARD, SEEING WHAT THE COMMISSION CAN, YOU KNOW, HELP KIND OF CRAFT AND, AND SHAPE AND CONTINUE DOING OUTREACH WITH THE COMMUNITY AND HOPEFULLY HELP INFORM AN EVEN BETTER PROJECT THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US NOW.
UM, I MEAN, BECAUSE OF THAT, AND I WOULD BE A FAVORABLE, BUT OBVIOUSLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO SAY.
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YEAH.AND I, AND I ALREADY MADE MY COMMENT.
I THINK, UM, I'M HAPPY THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE COMMUNITY OUTREACH TO GO, THERE'S GONNA BE A, ANOTHER MEETING.
I, I, AGAIN, LIKE
ONE IS A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN DENSITY, UM, UM, UH, THE, THE PUBLIC BENEFIT, ALTHOUGH I AGREE WITH KEITH, THAT THAT SHOULDN'T BE GO HAND IN HAND BUT THE REALITY IS THAT THAT'S PART OF THE DEAL.
UM, AND I JUST THINK IT'S A PRETTIER BUILDING THAN WHAT CAN BE BUILT.
UM, BUT THAT BEING SAID, UM, I HOPE THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE FIRST READING FOR COMMISSION, THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND THAT, UM, HOPEFULLY THERE CAN, UH, COME TO AN AGREEMENT.
I, I, I FIND IT A LITTLE DISTRESSING THAT THE STAFF REPORT IS BASED UPON, UH, PRIOR PROPOSAL, NOT THE REDUCTIONS.
IT, IT IS, IT IS BASED UPON THE REDUCTIONS.
WELL, IT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH.
ANYWAY, THAT BEING SAID, MELISSA, GO AHEAD.
I SHARE A SIMILAR, UH, POSITION TO YIL AND BRIAN HERE.
UM, I THINK OVERALL IT'S A POSITIVE OF THE PROJECT.
I THINK WE'RE ADDING, UM, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING SOMETHING THAT'S WAY BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE THREE CASES SCENARIOS ARE GONNA BE PLEASING EVERYONE IF WE KEEP IT SUCH AS IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA IF WE KEEP DO AS OF RIGHT.
IT'S NOT A GREAT PROJECT EITHER.
AND THIS HAS ALSO GOT, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE FIRED UP AS WELL.
MY CONCERN IS A BIT OF A PRECEDENT.
I KIND OF, WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT REAL ESTATE COSTS RIGHT NOW IS UP, DEVELOPMENT COSTS IS UP, AND THAT'S THE REALITY.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE SEEING BUILDINGS BEING KNOCKED DOWN TO BE REBUILT IN OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TYPE BUILDINGS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY NEEDS TO TAKE UP.
UH, BUT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE BUILDINGS BEING DEVELOPED, UM, THIS IS A NEW REALITY WE'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH.
AND SOMEHOW, UM, IT WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT OR WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE, UM, AN ANALYSIS FROM THE CITY THAT SORT OF MAKES US UNDERSTAND, UM, THE MINIMUM COSTS AND REDEVELOPMENT IN CERTAIN AREAS.
AND SO THAT WE HAVE SORT OF BASELINE OF KNOWING WHAT'S ACTUALLY A REALITY FOR THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE SOME ACTUAL FACTS TO, VERSUS EVERYONE SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A DEVELOPER JUST TRYING TO MAKE TONS OF MONEY.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOME REAL DATA TO WORK WITH AND KNOW WHAT'S REALISTIC AND REDEVELOPING SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND IT WOULD BE ALSO A WAY OF THE CITY TO PUT A BLUEPRINT DOWN SO THAT WE COULD REVIEW SOME OF THESE FAR UM, UM, YOU KNOW, STANDARDS RIGHT NOW TO REDEFINE WHAT IS THE REALITY OF, OF REDEVELOPING IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THERE'S A RESPONSIBILITY IN THIS CITY TO PICK THESE NEIGHBORS NEIGHBORHOODS OUT AND PUT A BLUEPRINT SO THAT WE CAN BASE OUR, OUR DECISIONS IN, IN A WAY THAT'S MORE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS SAYING YES TO INDIVIDUAL CASES AND, AND, AND PROJECTS LIKE THIS.
UM, AND TO, UM, KEITH'S POINT, UM, I AGREE THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT THIS BASED ON THE, UH, BENEFITS THAT THEY'RE OFFERING THE COMMUNITY, AT LEAST NOT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD POINT OF VIEW.
WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS AS A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
UM, BUT I DO WOULDN'T WANNA DISCOURAGE NECESSARILY DEVELOPERS TO BE, UM, LOOKING INTO ADDING BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK A LOT OF TIMES, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, RESPONSIBILITY DEVELOPERS HAVE, BUT IT SHOULD BE DRIVEN BY THE RESIDENTS AND NOT SO MUCH OF A, A WAY OF BUYING, UM, OUR APPROVAL AT LEAST.
UM, AND ON THAT NOTE, UM, AS I SAID, UM, I AM, UH, CONSISTENT WITH BRIAN AND, AND YA SHIELD HERE IN, UH, UH, WANTING TO SEE THIS MO THIS PROJECT, UM, MOVE FORWARD.
UM, I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
HA, HAVE YOU ALL READ THE CITY RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS REDUCTION IN HEIGHT, HEIGHT, MICHAEL? UM, THE REDUCTION IN HEIGHT AND WHAT THEY'RE REF RECOMMENDING? AS FAR AS AS THE MAXIMUM FAR? YES.
AND WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO TO AGREE TO THOSE? WE CAN'T AGREE TO ANY FURTHER REDUCTION HEIGHT.
AS MICHAEL SAID EARLIER, THREE 30 IS OUT AS LOW AS WE CAN GO AND OUR FAR HAS BEEN REDUCED TO 5.75.
WE ALSO FEEL THAT'S PRETTY MUCH AS LOW AS WE CAN GO.
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I CAN'T AGREE TO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT PLANNING DOES AND WHAT THEY SAY AND, UM, I AGREE WITH, WITH WHAT KEITH HAS SAID.I AGREE WITH WHAT A LOT HAVE SAID AS FAR AS GETTING RID OF, UM, THE BIKINI.
THAT'S KIND OF A NO-BRAINER, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY.
THIS IS, UM, I GUESS IT'S THE ANTI LIVE LOCAL.
UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO WHAT THE NEIGHBORS SAY AND WE LISTENED TO THAT EARLIER WHEN, WHEN WE HEARD, UH, THE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, UM, ON COLLINS.
UM, I'D LIKE YOU TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING ELSE.
I DON'T, SOMETHING THAT'S MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO MICHAEL, WHAT'S THE VOTE COUNT THAT YOU NEED FOR? WELL, IT'S JUST, UM, UM, TO, TO BE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST, UH, A MAJORITY FOUR, FOUR SETTINGS.
'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE BOARD'S KIND OF REFLECTIVE OF WHAT WE HEARD TODAY FROM THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, WHY DON'T, UH, KEITH, YOUR FIRST MOVE, WHY DON'T YOU MAKE A MOTION? WELL, I'D, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A, UM, MOTION TO SUPPORT THE, THE CITY STAFF.
SO SEND IT WITH AN UNFAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT? I'M GONNA SECOND IT.
UH, I THINK SCOTT SECONDED IT.
SO LET'S DO A ROLL CALL ON THIS ONE, PLEASE.
SO THIS WOULD BE FOR A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION, UM, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
UM, AND, AND THIS COMMISSIONER WILL SEE THE VOTE COUNT, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
WE, WE'LL BREAK IT DOWN SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE STUDIED AS UN GO AHEAD.
OH, THIS, THIS IS THE NEGATIVE.
THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS THE, OH, YES.
ASKING FOR THE NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION.
AND, UH, MR. MR. UM, MR. ELIAS? NO.
SO THAT'S A, A FOUR TO THREE RECOMMENDATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TRANSMITTING IT.
AND, AND I HOPE THAT, THAT THAT WILL REFLECT THAT MORE WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE.
HOPEFULLY THEY CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S REFLECTIVE OF WHAT WE HEARD TODAY.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE IN FAVOR AND THEY'RE AGAINST, SO.
AND, AND LISTEN, I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT.
UM, I THINK IT'S BETTER THAN AS OF RIGHT.
BUT I, I WISH THERE WERE MORE PEOPLE HERE TO SUPPORT AND OR ANY, WE DON'T HAVE, THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.
UM, UH, MICHAEL, WAS IT, DID WE DO BOTH OR WAS THAT, DO WE HAVE TO? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S FOR BOTH.
I'M SORRY YOU FINISHED ELIZABETH.
YEAH, I'M, I'M MUCH THANK YOU GUYS MUCH.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A TOUGH THANK YOU, BUT WE WISH YOU THE BEST.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL DO ONE MORE AND THEN WE'LL BREAK FOR LUNCH.
[9 PB25-0737 Lincoln Road West Residential Use Incentives - Comprehensive Plan Amendment.]
[10 PB24-0731. Lincoln Road West Residential Use Incentives – LDR Amendments]
PLANNING BOARD.NUMBER NINE, PLANNING BOARD FILE OH 5 0 7 3 7 LINCOLN ROAD, WASTE RESIDENTIAL USE INCENTIVES.
I GUESS THEY GO HAND IN HAND NINE AND 10, CORRECT? MICHAEL? NINE.
AND SO ACTUALLY, UM, 9, 10, 11, 12 ARE ALL SORT OF RELATED.
WE TAKE NINE AND 10 TOGETHER, WHICH IS FOR LINCOLN ROAD WEST.
AND THEN 11 AND 12 FOR LINCOLN ROAD.
UM, EAST, DO YOU WANNA TAKE THESE? UM, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN DO, UM, WEST AVENUE AND THEN TAKE A BREAK FOR LUNCH.
DO THE WEST PORTION OF LINCOLN ROAD AND THEN TAKE A BREAK FOR LUNCH.
YEAH, WHICH THAT'S ITEMS WHICH NINE AND 10.
SO THIS STAFF REPORT BEGINS ON PAGE, UM, 99 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES.
AND JUST TO MAKE IT MORE UNDERSTANDABLE, I'VE ASKED THE BOARD MEMBERS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAP, WHICH IS ON PAGE, LET'S SEE, ON PAGE 113 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES.
'CAUSE THIS BREAKS DOWN THE, UM, THE LINCOLN ROAD WEST SECTION TO AREA ONE, TWO, AND THREE BECAUSE THE HEIGHTS AND FAR CHANGES DEPENDING ON THE AREA THAT YOU'RE IN, WITH A HIGHER HEIGHT AND HIGHER FAR CLOSER TO 17TH STREET.
AND THE LOWER HEIGHT AND LOWER FAR INCREASE CLOSER TO THE, THE FLAMINGO PARK, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE WEST AT WASHINGTON AVENUE RESIDENTIAL USE INCENTIVES THAT CAME BEFORE THE BOARD, UM, LAST YEAR, WHICH IS TO PROVIDE, UM, RESIDENTIAL INCENTIVES TO INCREASE OR PROVIDE INCENTIVES FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS CASE ALONG, UM, LINCOLN ROAD VERSUS WASHINGTON AVENUE.
SO I'LL JUST GO THROUGH SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE, UM, THE CHANGES NOW COMPARED TO, UM, THE WASHINGTON AVENUE CHANGES, THE HEIGHTS AND FARE PROPOSED HERE IS MUCH LESS.
WHEREAS ON WASHINGTON AVENUE, THE PROPOSAL WAS TO GO FROM A 2.0 FAR TO 4.0.
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IN THIS CASE, THE PROPOSALS GO TO IS TO GO FROM, FROM 2.25 TO THREE, OR FROM 2.5 TO 3.5.SO THE, THE PROPOSED FAR INCREASE IS MUCH LESS COMPARED TO WHAT YOU SAW ON, UM, WASHINGTON AVENUE.
BUT IT'S A VERY SIMILAR ORDINANCE.
AND, SORRY, JUST TO PAUSE YOU THERE.
IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE LINCOLN ROAD STREET SCAPE AND THIS, THEY DON'T WANT IT TO BE ING? IT'S, IT'S, UM, 'CAUSE IT ALREADY, IT ALREADY HAS A HIGHER ALLOWANCE, ROUGHLY R WHICH IS ABOVE TWO ANYWAY, AND ALSO BASED UPON THE COMMISSION SPONSOR, IT WASN'T INTENDED TO BE, UM, A MORE RADICAL INCREASE IN, IN FAR.
SO, UM, AS, AS AGAIN, LOOKING AT PAGE 1 1 13, YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN IN, IN THE, IN THE MAP.
I'LL JUST GO THROUGH BRIEFLY WHAT THESE, UM, CHANGES ARE.
SO FOR AREA ONE, WHICH IS THE PINK AREA, THIS WOULD BE FOR PROPERTIES ALONG 17TH STREET, UM, BETWEEN LINCOLN LANE NORTH FROM ALTON ROAD TO DREXEL, DREXEL AVENUE.
AND THIS WOULD AS PROPOSED BEING, UH, FAR INCREASE.
AND AGAIN, ALL THESE INCREASES ARE INCENTIVES ARE FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ONLY, AND FOR PROJECTS THAT ONLY HAVE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ABOVE THE GROUND, GROUND FLOOR, WE HAVE TO AGREE TO, UM, PERPETUITY NOT HAVE ANY SORT OF NON, NON-TRANS, ANY SORT OF TRANSIENT USES.
SO, AGAIN, FOR THE, UM, AREA ONE, AN INCREASE IN FAR FROM 2.25 TO 3.0 FOR LOTS OF LESS THAN 45,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND FROM 2.75 TO 3.5 FOR LOTS GREATER THAN 45,000 SQUARE FEET IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, IT'LL ALLOW MAXIMUM INCREASE IN HEIGHT FROM 80 FEET UP TO 150 FEET.
NOW, AREA TWO, WHICH IS IN THE, UH, THE PURPLE AREA IN THE MIDDLE, THIS WOULD BE FOR, UM, LINCOLN ROAD NORTH PROPERTIES WITH A LOT LINE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF LINCOLN ROAD BETWEEN ALTON ROAD AND DREXEL AVENUE.
THIS WOULD INCLUDE AN FAR INCREASE OF 2.5 TO 3.0, AND A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 50 FEET TO 100 FEET.
NOW BECAUSE THIS ALSO INCLUDES PROPERTIES WHICH ARE ON LINCOLN ROAD, IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THAT CHARACTER WOULD REQUIRE THAT FOR ADDITIONS THAT GO ABOVE THAT 50 FEET HEIGHT, REQUIRE A SETBACK OF 50 FEET FROM LINCOLN ROAD, OR A SETBACK OF, AND A SETBACK OF 25 FEET FROM ANY ADJACENT SIDE STREET.
THIS WOULD ALSO INCLUDE AN ALLOWANCE OF THE HPB TO WAIVE THOSE, UM, ADDITIONAL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AS THEY, UM, SAW APPROPRIATE.
NOW THE THIRD AREA IS THE AREA IN YELLOW, WHICH IS THE AREA ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF LINCOLN ROAD AND NORTH OF LINCOLN.
LANE NORTH, WHICH IS THE AREA THAT'S ABUDDING.
THE, UM, THE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE R TWO, THE RM ONE SECTION.
THIS WOULD BE A, A LOWER MAXIMUM, THE LOWER INCREASE IN FAR FROM 2.5 TO 2.75, AND A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEAT BUILDING HEIGHT INCREASE FROM 50 FEET, UM, TO 75 FEET.
THIS WOULD ALSO ALLOW, UM, MULTI-STORY ROOFTOP ADDITIONS SUBJECT REVIEW BY THE STORE PRESERVATION BOARD.
RIGHT NOW, THE STORE PRESERVATION BOARD COULD ONLY APPROVE A SINGLE STORY ROOFTOP EDITION.
THIS WOULD ALLOW A MULTI-STORY ROOFTOP EDITION CURRENTLY IN THE CODE.
IF THE, UM, IF SOMEBODY'S PROPOSING MORE THAN A, A ROOF MORE THAN A ONE STORY ROOFTOP ADDITION, IT WOULD REQUIRE DEMOLITION DOWN TO THE GROUND OF AN, OF A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
SO THIS, THIS WOULD ALLOW THE, THE RETENTION OF A RETEN MORE OF A RETENTION OF A, UH, EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND ALLOW APPROPRIATE ROOFTOP ADDITIONS SUBJECT TO THE, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
NOW, AS A CONDITION OF ALL OF THESE, UM, INCREASES, IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE THAT OR AMEND THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
OFF STREET PARKING WOULD BE, WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR, UM, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IT ACTUALLY WOULD PROHIBIT, UM, CERTAIN OFF PARKING.
THIS ALSO WOULD REMOVE THE CURRENT INCENTIVES FOR HOTEL PROJECTS ON LINCOLN ROAD BETWEEN PENNSYLVANIA AND LENNOX, AND REMOVE THE FAR INCENTIVES FOR HOTELS ON LOTS LESS THAN 45,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO AGAIN, THE INTENT TO, THE INTENT HERE IS TO INCREASE FAR AND HEIGHT FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW INCENTIVES AND, UM, REDUCE INCENTIVES THAT WERE IN PLACE FOR HOTEL DEVELOPMENT.
NOW AGAIN, THIS IS THE, JUST THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS.
SO THIS IS JUST A, UM, THE FIRST MEETING AT THE PLANNING BOARD.
AFTER THIS MEETING, WE'LL TAKE PUBLIC TAKE COMMENT, THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETING.
IT'LL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR A FINAL TRANSMIT TRANSMITTAL MEETING, AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE CITY COMMISSION, ANOTHER WORKSHOP MEETING, AND THEN A FINAL, UM, UM, MEETING BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION.
SO AT THIS TIME, WE'RE JUST ASKING THE BOARD, REVIEW THE APPLICATION, PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS, CONTINUE THE, UM, ORDINANCES TO THE MAY 6TH MEETING.
NOW, ONE OF THE THING THAT THE BOARD ALSO, THAT THE LANDUS COMMITTEE ASKED THE BOARD TO CONSIDER, JUST LIKE, UM, WASHINGTON AVENUE, THE LANDUS COMMITTEE ASKED THE BOARD TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT IT'D BE APPROPRIATE TO INCLUDE A TDR PROGRAM.
WHEREAS, UM, FRB TRANSFERRED FROM A, FROM A SETTING DISTRICT TO THIS RECEIVING DISTRICT.
IN THIS CASE, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AS CRITICAL BECAUSE THE AIR INCREASES MUCH LESS COMPARED TO WASHINGTON AVENUE, BUT IT
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IS PART OF THE, UM, RECOMMENDATION FROM THE LAND USE COMMITTEE.WITH THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, I ASSUME YOU'RE NOT HERE ON THIS ITEM.
I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONER SUAREZ HIM OR NOT.
HEY GUYS, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEP.
HEY, I, I JUST WANT TO, I JUST WANT TO REALLY TOUCH UP ON WHAT KEITH SAID AT THE LAST ITEM.
AND HE, AND HE HIT IT ON THE HEAD.
HE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE HAVING, WE SHOULD BE PUTTING FORWARD INCENTIVES FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT TO ENVISION AS THE CITY, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A DEVELOPER TELLING US WHAT THEY ENVISION FOR OUR CITY.
IT'S WHAT WE ENVISION NOW FOR LINCOLN ROAD WEST.
THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NO, YOU COULD, YOU COULD DO PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS ALL DAY.
THERE'S NOT A DEVELOPER THAT CAME TO ME THAT SAID, HEY, I WANNA DEVELOP LINCOLN ROAD.
I TRULY BELIEVE THAT IF YOU WANNA REALLY JUMPSTART LINCOLN ROAD AND YOU WANNA RESHAPE THE ECONOMY OF LINCOLN ROAD, THE PERFECT WAY TO DO IT IS WITH MIXED USE.
I MEAN, HOW COOL WOULD IT BE TO LIVE ABOVE LINCOLN ROAD TO COME DOWN, GO SHOPPING, AND THEN JUST GO BACK HOME? AND SO THE, THIS IS THE VISION, UH, OF, OF, OF WHAT I BELIEVE, UH, SOME OF OUR MOST STRUGGLING DISTRICTS NEED.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALLY HIT ON THE FACT THAT WE'RE INCENTIVIZING THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
AND SO, UH, I THINK THIS CAREFULLY, THIS, THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION CAREFULLY, UH, BALANCES THAT, OKAY, THESE ARE NOT LUXURY HOMES.
THEY ARE SPECIFIC FOR, UH, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET A HEAD START IN MIAMI BEACH.
SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT I HAD WHEN I MOVED TO MIAMI BEACH FOR THE FIRST TIME.
AND I THINK IT'S A, A GREAT WAY TO INCENTIVIZE MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ON LINCOLN ROAD.
SO, UH, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS AND, AND I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE KEITH ON HIS, ON HIS FIRST, UH, DAY ON THE, ON THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND, UH, YOU GUYS SPOKE VERY WELL, THE LAST ONE.
UH, COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU STILL THERE? DAVID, ARE YOU STILL THERE? YEAH, I'M HERE.
UM, SO I WAS ON LINCOLN ROAD YESTERDAY, JUST KIND OF TOOLING AROUND.
WANTED TO KIND OF GET A FEEL FOR THIS.
I'M A BIG FAN OF, UH, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS AND, AND I'VE SEEN QUITE A FEW OF THEM.
I WANTED TO GET YOUR OPINION ON WHAT YOU THOUGHT MIGHT HAPPEN TO THE RETAIL THAT IS BELOW SOME OF THAT.
UH, WOULD YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THE BUILDINGS? WELL, THE RETAIL STAYS, THE RETAIL, THE RETAIL STAYS, AND I, I BELIEVE YOU CAN, CAN, CAN TOUCH UP ON THIS, BUT MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL WILL BE SET BACK QUITE A BIT.
UH, AND IT'S, IT'S TRULY A MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT.
I MEAN, IF YOU GO TO ANY CITY IN THE WORLD THAT'S THRIVING, IT'S ALL MIXED USE.
YOU HAVE RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM AND YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL TOP AND YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN RETAIL, INSTEAD OF GETTING IN THEIR CARS AND DRIVING ON 41ST STREET OR MACARTHUR TO GO HOME AND ADDING TO THE TRAFFIC, THEY JUST WALK UPSTAIRS TO THEIR HOME.
SO, SO CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION OR I DON'T, I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THIS IS HOW TO DO THAT.
UM, PART OF THE PROBLEM ON LINCOLN ROAD AND, AND, AND MUCH OF THE RETAIL SPACES ACROSS THE CITY IS THAT THEY HAVE THOSE INSETS, UM, WHERE THE STORE FRONT WINDOW IS, UH, MORE, IS MORE PARALLEL OR CLOSER TO THE SIDEWALK AND TO THE STREET THAN THE ACTUAL DOOR.
AND I WAS GOING TO ASK IF THOSE, IF THOSE ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN, UH, INCORPORATE INTO THESE INCENTIVES OR NEW DEVELOPMENTS TO HAVE THEM UNIFORM SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE SLEEPING IN THOSE DOORWAYS, UH, SO THAT YOU HAVE THE DOORWAYS LIT.
UM, SO THAT, WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
I DUNNO IF THOSE DOOR, A LOT OF THOSE DOORWAYS ARE HISTORIC.
SO I, I'M, I MAY NOT, THAT MAY NOT BE ALLOWED.
OR YOU CAN DEMOLISH OR RESHAPE A DOORWAY, I BELIEVE CAR.
NOT JUST THAT CARNE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE DOORWAY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND, AND BY THE WAY, HAVING A MUCH MORE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WILL REALLY DRIVE OUT THE HOME WITH SOME FROM LINCOLN ROAD MM-HMM
AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE EYEBALLS ON THE GROUND.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE RESIDENTS TO CALL CODE OR POLICE.
AND SO IT'S, UH, IT IT, THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING HOMELESS, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS GOING TO DEFINITELY ADDRESS THE HOMELESSNESS ON LINCOLN ROAD.
AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP BEFORE WE GET TO THANKS DAVID, BEFORE WE GET TO THIS, UH, SECOND SPEAKER, TO FOLLOW UP ON THE, THE COMMENT ON THE, UH, RECESSING OF THE, UM, THE STOREFRONTS.
A LOT OF THOSE EMPHASIS ARE HISTORIC, BUT AS WELL AS THAT, UM, THE CODE REQUIRES
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THAT THESE DOORS SWING OUT AND THEY CAN'T SWING OUT INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THOSE RECESSES.
CAN WE, WE MODIFY CODE ALL THE TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN LIKE, WE DID THIS.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A BUILDING CODE SAFETY ISSUE.
YOU CAN'T HAVE, YOU CAN'T HAVE THE DOOR, THE DOORS SWEEP INWARD PRACTICING OUTWARD.
NO, WE, IF WE EXTENDED, LIKE WHEN AMAZON GO WAS COMING ONTO LINCOLN ROAD, THEY RE RETROFITTED THE WHOLE SPACE.
THEY GOT HPB APPROVAL AND THEY CHANGED THE WAY THE DOORWAYS OPENED.
SO COULD, I MEAN, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.
I JUST, THAT'S SOMETHING, SO THE DOORS, THE DOORS HAVE TO SWING OUT.
THEY CAN'T SWING IN, THEY HAVE TO SWING OUT.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT.
OTHERWISE, OTHERWISE, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE EXITING THE BUILDING, THERE'S A RUSH AND YOU HAVE TO SWING IN.
YOU COULD HAVE PEOPLE TRAPPED AND CAN'T GET OUT, BUT YOU COULD HAVE 'EM BOTH WAYS.
CAN'T YOU? YOU, IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE THEN IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD OPEN, PUSH IT OUT, AND IF IT WAS ON THE STREET LEVEL, THEN YOU COULD BE KNOCKING ON THE PEOPLE.
I GUESS IT'S JUST THAT THERE'S SOME THAT ARE GO THERE I THINK AS WELL, YOU KNOW, FACTORING, HAVING LIGHT APPROPRIATE LIGHTING TO LIGHT THOSE SPACES, NOT HAVING RECESSES UNDER LIKE OVERHANGING WINDOWS.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU DON'T WANNA CREATE NEEDS TO BE, YOU DON'T WANNA CREATE UP.
SO, UM, A PLACE THAT, UH, UM, HARBORS AND EVEN IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I WAS WALKING WITH ONE OF THE OFFICERS YESTERDAY AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, TO THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT ARE UNHOUSED, THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T CARE IF THERE'S LIGHT OR NOT.
THEY'RE GONNA KNOCK THE, KNOCK THE LIGHT OUT.
AND BUT IT, IF YOU PROJECTED THE LIGHT FROM THE INSIDE OF THE STORE DOWN INTO THE SPACE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING IT DIRECTLY ABOVE HEAD, THAT MIGHT MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
THOSE ARE JUST SOME SUGGESTIONS.
THAT'S SO YOUR WHOLE CONCERN WITH THE LAYOUT OF THE DOOR WAS IN THE WINDOWS, IS WITH THE HOMELESSNESS IS THE LIGHT MM-HMM
IT'S JUST, IT IS JUST BECAUSE IT WAS PRETTY BAD.
WELL GUYS, IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, I'M HERE.
YEAH, NO, WES, I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, DAVID.
UM, ANYONE ELSE ON ZOOM? YEAH, WE HAVE, UH, JANE KREPP.
UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO ELABORATE MORE ON COMMISSIONER SU SUAREZ'S COMMENTS.
UM, AS BEING A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF MIAMI AND NEW YORK CITY, WHERE WE HAVE VERY SUCCESSFUL MIXED USE IN NEW YORK CITY, ESPECIALLY DOWNTOWN WHERE I LIVE FOR 45 YEARS IN SOHO, WHERE WE ALL LIVED ABOVE THE STORE BASICALLY.
THE PROBLEM IS WITH MIAMI BEACH, INCENTIVIZING RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE IS THAT I THINK MIAMI BEACH IS THE ONLY CITY I'VE EVER BEEN IN THAT HAS OUTDOOR SPEAKERS, OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, ROOFTOP ENTERTAINMENT, AND NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO A BAR, ESPECIALLY A 5:00 AM BAR.
NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR MUSIC BLARING ALL NIGHT.
THIS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE OF MIXED USE, UH, INCENTIVIZING IN MIAMI BEACH.
YOU, YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, NOBODY WANTS, LIKE I SAID, NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO A BAR.
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO CONTAIN OUTDOOR NOISE AND PARTICULARLY TRAFFIC, WHICH YOU GET IN NEW YORK, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE WORST.
SO, UM, I THINK YOU NEED TO, YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE IDEA WITH THE COLLINS AVENUE, I LIVE RIGHT NEAR 1350 COLLINS HAVING OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT.
THERE IS JUST THE WRONG MESSAGE THAT MEANS EVERY OTHER, UH, WE HAVE OTHER OUTDOOR SPACES ON COLLINS UP TO 15TH STREET, THEY'RE ALL GONNA WANT IT.
AND WE HAD IT ILLEGALLY TWO YEARS AGO, ALL WE WERE UP ALL NIGHT TILL 3:00 AM WITH THE SUBS BOOMING, NOT ONLY THROUGH THE BUILDING, THEY GO THROUGH THE SUBSTRATE AND TRAVEL, THE VIBRATION TRAVELS.
YOU CANNOT CONTAIN THE VIBRATION.
IT'S NOT A DECIBEL LEVEL, IT'S A VIBRATION ISSUE, WHICH IS COMPLETELY MEASURED BY A DIFFERENT INSTRUMENT, BY THE WAY.
SO MY COMMENT IS, I LIVED IN SOHO, VERY SUCCESSFUL.
THE FIRST THING WE DID, I PART OF THE SOHO ALLIANCE, WE GOT RID OF THE LATE NIGHT ENTERTAINMENT, AND THAT'S WHEN ALL THE DEVELOPERS CAME IN, DID ALL THE HIGH END STORES.
AND TODAY SOHO GENERATES MOST OF THE SALES TAX FOR ALL OF NEW YORK CITY.
SO AGAIN, YOU'RE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, YOU'RE THE ONES THAT ALLOW THE SPEAKERS.
THAT'S THE MAIN PROBLEM HERE IN MIAMI BEACH.
YOU CANNOT HAVE MIXED USE WITH OUTDOOR SPEAKERS.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR CALLERS ON ZOOM.
KEITH, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO, OTHER THAN I THINK IT'S A'S A GOOD IDEA.
UH, I AM FOR THIS TYPE OF COMMISSION DRIVEN PUBLIC BENEFIT, UH, ENCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT IN THAT.
AND LINCOLN IS CERTAINLY AN AREA, IF WE COULD GET MIXED USE, THAT WOULD BE PERFECT.
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A GOOD, I MIXED USE IS A GOOD IDEA.
YOU SEE A LOT OF CITIES GOING IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, I JUST HAVE A FEW CONCERNS WITH, WITH THIS, UM, AND I THINK WE BROUGHT 'EM UP WHEN WE DISCUSSED WASHINGTON AVENUE.
I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I, I THINK THE HEIGHT IS A LITTLE EXCESSIVE.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BASICALLY 15 STORIES ON
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LINCOLN ROAD.UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I I MEAN, I LIKE THE IDEA OF RESIDENTS ABOVE, BUT 15 STORIES MAY BE A LITTLE TOO HIGH.
UM, ALSO WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, KEEPING A, A, UM, WELL, BASICALLY THIS GIVES THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, UM, THE ABILITY TO WAIVE 50% OF THE REQUIRED SETBACK FROM LINCOLN ROAD DOVETAILS INTO WHAT I, WELL, IT, IT EXPANDS ON WHAT I SAID BEFORE, YOU KNOW, 15 FOURS CLOSE UP TO AS, I MEAN, IF ANYTHING, IT SHOULD BE SET BACK AS FAR AS POSSIBLE FROM LINCOLN ROAD.
I THINK, I THINK JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, SCOTT, THE ONE 50 FEET WOULD BE FOR PROPERTIES FRONTING 17TH STREET.
RIGHT? FOR PROPERTIES FOR, FOR PROPERTIES FRONTING LINCOLN ROAD, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WOULD BE 100 FEET.
I MEAN, AND SORRY, THE SET THE SETBACK FOR, FOR LINCOLN ROAD, WHAT, 50 FEET? 50 50? IT'S THE, SO IT'S A DOUBLING.
IT'S THE SAME IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, I WOULDN'T WANNA SEE, UM, 10 FLOORS.
I, IF ANYTHING THAT SHOULD BE SET BACK AS FAR AS POSSIBLE.
IT SHOULDN'T BE ANY WAIVER OF THAT.
WE'RE GIVING A LOT IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
AND IF A DEVIL, EVERYONE WANTS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, YOU KNOW, HE SHOULD STICK TO IT.
THAT COULD BE ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS TOO, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING BOARD COULD SAY, STICK WITH THAT 50 FEET AND MAKE IT A VARIANCE.
IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO MAKE, NOT EVEN, NOT EVEN A VARIANCE.
I GUESS WE, WE HAVE TO PUT A NO VARIANCE PROVISION IN FOR THAT.
SO, SCOTT, THE, SO AS A, FOR INSTANCE, THE, UM, I THINK IT'S THE FIVE BELOW ON LINCOLN ROAD THAT TOOK FOREVER AND EVER TO GET APPROVED.
AND SO THAT, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW FAR BACK THAT IS, I'M NOT, I, I, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, BUT YOU GOTTA REMEMBER THESE ARE, THESE ARE REALLY HARD SPACES TO LEASE.
THEY'RE HARD TO GET EVEN, EVEN IF YOU'VE GOT 'EM ABOVE IT.
I DON'T, I DON'T HOW DO YOU REALLY THINK 10 STORIES? IS IS THAT MUCH? I MEAN, IT'S, I DON'T, COMPARED TO WHAT'S THERE NOW.
WELL, I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA EVOLVE AS A CITY, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, I LOOK, I TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE HERE NOW THAT ARE HERE NOW ARE NOT GONNA BE HERE IN 40, 50 YEARS.
UM, I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT LITTLE BY LITTLE, NOT SO MUCH JUST DOUBLE HEIGHTS EVERYWHERE.
SO MAYBE THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I MEAN, WHO, WHO CAME UP WITH ALL OF THESE, THESE, THIS CAME OUT OF, UM, TO THE CITY COMMISSION SPONSOR AND THE, AND THE LAND USE COMMITTEE.
SO LAND USE HAS ALREADY, OKAY, SO THEY'VE ALREADY REVIEWED, I MEAN, WELL, A LOT OF THESE HAVE BEEN PUSHED THROUGH.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I, WE, WE DID LOOK AT IT, UNLIKE WASHINGTON N HAD MORE OF A CONSISTENT HEIGHT.
WE DID LOOK AT MODULATING THE HEIGHT.
SO THE HIGHER HEIGHT IS PUSHED TOWARDS 17TH STREET.
THE NORTH SIDE OF LINCOLN ROAD IS HIGHER.
THE SOUTH SIDE OF LINCOLN ROAD IS ONLY RIGHT, A 25 FOOT INCREASE IN HEIGHT.
SO WE DO TRY TO MODULATE THE HEIGHT DEPENDING ON JUST ELIZABETH, I'M NOT SAYING NOT 10 FEET, I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT 10 STORIES OR A HUNDRED FEET, SET IT WAY BACK FROM LINCOLN ROAD, WHAT IS THE ALBION? I WAS JUST THERE.
WHAT IS IT LIKE 10? THAT'S, IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO, YEAH, I THINK IT'S 10.
SO I MEAN THAT'S, I THINK THAT WE, THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE AT THE, UM, THAT I WAS WITH YESTERDAY AND, AND I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T FIND THAT THAT WAS EGREGIOUS.
SO, AND THEN, AND THEN EXACTLY.
AND THEN JUST DOWN FROM THAT, YOU'VE GOT THE CLOCK TOWER BECAUSE IT'S, WELL, THERE'S SEPARATED.
I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS A WHOLESALE CHANGE ALL UP AND DOWN LINCOLN ROAD.
SO IN THEORY, YOU COULD HAVE THIS EVERY, EVERY LOT.
AND LISTEN GUYS, YOU KNOW, I I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
I'M STILL, YOU KNOW, SO YEAH, I'M STILL HERE.
YOU KNOW, LOOK, I I, I, GUYS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, ESPECIALLY BASED ON THE LAST ITEM YOU GUYS HEARD, IS THAT WE WANNA INCENTIVIZE WHAT WE WANT.
OKAY? I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A, I DON'T WANNA PASS THIS AND HAVE A DEVELOPER COME TO ME SAYING, HEY, WE NEED AN EXTRA THIS, WE NEED AN EXTRA THAT, RIGHT? OR, OR HOW ABOUT THIS? A DEVELOPER COMES TO LINCOLN WROTE, HAS ONE PROJECT ON LINCOLN ROAD THAT THEY WANT TO DO, AND THEN THEY HAVE THIS, UH, MASSIVE SCALE THING, UH, OF BUILDING A CONCEPT THAT THEY HAVE.
AND THEN THEY END UP GETTING IT.
AT LEAST IF WE PASS THIS, WE CAN SAY, LOOK, WE'RE GIVING YOU THE BEST INCENTIVE POSSIBLE TO DEVELOP WHAT WE ENVISION FOR MIAMI BEACH.
AND IT DOESN'T GIVE THEM AN EXCUSE TO SAY, OH, WELL, WELL, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED.
AND YOU SAY, LOOK, THIS IS, WE GAVE YOU ENOUGH ROOM TO WORK WITH.
AND, UH, AND I, I'M OKAY WITH PUTTING A VARIANCE, UH, UM, UH, MR. BELU, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALLED IT, BUT MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S NO VARIANCES.
BUT YOU KNOW, BA WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER, I THINK MELISSA SAID IT, CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE UP.
WHAT'S THE POINT OF PASSING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GONNA HA NOTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT LINCOLN ROAD,
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OR NOT LINCOLN ROAD, WASHINGTON AVENUE FOR THE HOTEL INCENTIVE, WE'VE HAD THAT FOR HOW LONG? UM, YOU KNOW, FIVE, SEVEN YEARS.AND THEY ONLY BUILT TWO HOTELS.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BUILD HOTELS.
I'M TRYING TO BUILD PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT 17TH STREET, WHICH IS NOT ON LINCOLN ROAD, IT'S, IT'S LIKE THE MOST, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST EMBARRASSING STREETS IN MIAMI BEACH.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE LIKE A DAYCARE, THEN YOU HAVE THE CITY HALL, THEN YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF GARAGE.
IT'S JUST, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
AND I THINK, AND IT'S THE PERFECT AVENUE FOR, FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND BACK TO WHAT WE'RE SAYING, BUT MORE, I WAS SAYING BEFORE, KIND OF HAVING A BLUEPRINT, ONCE YOU HAVE A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD OR A WHOLE STREET LIKE THAT, AND THERE'S AN EXPECTATION OF WHERE IT'S GOING, THEN IT ALLOWS US NOT TO BE DEALING WITH INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS WHERE YOU HAVE LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A A STREET OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE AFFECTED BY, BY ONE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT.
YOU HAVE NOW RESIDENTS WHO KNOW THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR ALL ACROSS LINCOLN ROAD WHAT THE TRANSFORMATION IS GONNA BE.
AND SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT IS REALLY UPSETTING, IS SEEING, UH, RESIDENTS LIKE WE SAW IN THE LAST TIME SHOWING UP FOR, FOR, FOR THIS PAST PROJECT, WHO BOUGHT UNITS, UH, CONDO UNITS EXPECTING THAT THE FAR WOULD NOT CHANGE ON THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR.
AND NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE LEFT, YOU KNOW, LOSING THEIR VIEW.
AND SO I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, WE, WE SEE THE NECESSITY FOR THIS ON LINCOLN ROAD, THAT WE APPROVE SOMETHING ALL ACROSS THESE STREETS LIKE WASHINGTON AND, AND, AND, AND LINCOLN ROAD.
AND WE GIVE SOMETHING TO THE RESIDENTS THAT THEY NOW KNOW THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING.
AND I THINK THIS IS A POSITIVE ONE, JUST, YOU KNOW, DAVID IS MOTIVATED FOR THE RIGHT REASONS, SEEING THESE AREAS TRANSFORM.
UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT MORE AFFORDABLE CONDOS.
THESE KINDS OF UNITS WILL BE MORE AFFORDABLE CONDOS.
THESE ARE NOT GONNA BE THE HIGH ENDS THAT WE'RE SEEING ELSEWHERE, BUT IT ALSO HAS A COST.
SO WE HAVE TO GO WITH HEIGHT AND, UM, AN INCREASED HEIGHT.
AND SO I KNOW IT'S KIND OF, SORT OF STRANGE TO PICTURE LINCOLN ROW WITH 10 FLOOR BUILDINGS.
UM, BUT, UM, I THINK WITH IT, WITH IT BEING CONSISTENT ALL ACROSS, UM, YEAH.
AND, AND AGAIN, LIKE I, LIKE I MENTIONED, I'M NOT SAYING I'M OPPOSED TO THE HEIGHT.
I'M JUST SAYING WE ARE, WE ARE IN, WE ARE DOUBLING THE HEIGHT.
AND I THINK THE COMMISSIONER AGREES TO ME, AND WE'RE LAYING OUT, THESE ARE THE GROUND RULES.
WE'RE SAYING THESE ARE THE GROUND RULES.
WE'RE GIVING, WE INCREASED OUR, OUR HEIGHT, OUR FA SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, DON'T, DON'T COME BACK AND ASK MORE.
DON'T, DON'T ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE.
COME BACK AND, AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CONSISTENT, THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY.
SO THAT, AND I THINK THE COMMISSION, THE, THE SPONSOR IS, IS OPEN TO THAT.
AND I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I THINK IT SHOULDN'T BE FOR SETBACKS IN ANY, ANYTHING ELSE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WELL, I KNOW THINGS CAN COME UP WHERE MAYBE A VARIANCE MAY BE NEEDED, BUT, BUT I THINK ON THINGS LIKE, UH, HEIGHT AND, UM, OR I'M SORRY, HEIGHT AND SETBACKS.
THERE SHOULDN'T BE, UM, ANY VARIANCES ALLOWED MM-HMM
AND ALSO, AND ALSO WHEN YOU DO THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS, THE, THE, THE BAD RETAIL GOES AWAY BECAUSE LIKE JANE CROP WAS SAYING, NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE ABOVE THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK IT JUST NATURALLY, WELL, YOU, YOU'RE JUST GONNA TRY.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BUILT IN CLIENT TELL ON THE ROAD.
ANOTHER POINT JUST TO BRING UP, AND EXACTLY THIS IS, I MEAN, I, I SAT ON H PB FOR A WHILE AND I KNOW THERE, THERE WERE TIMES WHEN, UM, YOU KNOW, APPLICATIONS CAME IN FRONT OF US AND THEY WANTED TO ADD ON TO A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING, AND OH, THEY WERE GONNA PRESERVE IT, RETAIN IT.
UM, WHEN YOU ADD ON TO BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GONNA GO 10 FLOORS OR HOWEVER MANY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO DEVELOPER THAT'S GONNA KEEP THAT FOOTPRINT OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING AND BUILD ON TOP OF IT.
IT, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS IT'S GONNA BE DEMOLISHED.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT EX EXCEPT FOR MAYBE THE FACADE.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S SOME OF, OF THESE ON LINCOLN ROAD, THESE ARE SOLID BUILDINGS.
WHAT, WHEN YOU TALK 10 STORIES OR EVEN THREE STORIES ON TOP OF THESE OLDER BUILDINGS, UM, MAYBE THREE STORIES CAN BE DONE, BUT IT WOULD TAKE MASSIVE, UM, STRUCTURAL, UM, UM, SHORING INSIDE THE BUILDING.
MOST LIKELY A DEVELOPER'S NOT GONNA DO THAT.
THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK TO JUST SAY, WELL, WE'LL KEEP THE FACADE IF THAT AND BUILD.
SO JUST, JUST, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS GOING YEAR, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THINK YEARS INTO THE FUTURE THAT, YOU KNOW, ALABAMA, THEY'VE GOT BUILT IN ALABAMA.
WAIT A MINUTE, MINUTE ELIZABETH AND GEORGE, FINISH.
MY, MY MY THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY END UP LOSING A LOT OF THOSE BUILDINGS ON LINCOLN ROAD.
I JUST, AND I'M NOT, AND IS THAT A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING? I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THIS MAY LEAD, WHAT THIS MIGHT LEAD TO.
I THINK ENGINEERING HAS COME A LONG WAY.
AND IF YOU CAN SHORE UP BUILDINGS IN SOUTH ALABAMA THAT HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO GOD KNOWS WHAT, THEN WE CAN DO IT TOO.
MICHAEL, QUESTION THE, THE, THE LAW THAT THE GOVERNOR PASSED, WAS IT A YEAR OR SO AGO THAT THAT KIND OF, UM, SUPERSEDED LOCAL ORDINANCES ABOUT ABILITY TO TEAR DOWN HISTORIC PROPERTIES? DOES THAT INCLUDE COMMERCIAL OR IS THAT, WHAT WAS THAT? ONLY RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK THAT ONLY APPLIES TO PROPERTIES
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THAT ARE, UM, IN THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION ZONE ALONG THE OCEAN.IT WOULDN'T APPLY TO THIS LOCATION, THESE LOCATIONS.
IS THERE ANY INCENTIVE ATTRIBUTED TO WORKFORCE HOUSING OR INCLUSION OF WORKFORCE HOUSING AS PART OF THIS THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT INCLUDED AS PART OF THIS, WHICH IT WAS INCLUDED AS PART OF THE, UM, WASHINGTON AVENUE.
I THINK THE ISSUE THERE HERE IS THAT THE FAR INCREASE IS SO, SO MINIMAL VERSUS WASHINGTON AVENUE.
WE HAD A 2.0 FAR INCREASE TO PLAY WITH.
RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT 0.5 BE PART OF THE ATTAINABLE OR OR WORKFORCE FOR ATTAINABLE HOUSING.
AND THEN A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE WOULD BE ALSO FOR TRANSFER DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS OR TDI PROGRAM.
IN THIS CASE, YOUR MAXIMUM FAR INCREASE IS ONLY BETWEEN 0.5 AND 0.75.
SO I, I THINK THIS IS INCREDIBLE IN TERMS OF ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTS OF HOW TO KIND OF REVITALIZE LINCOLN ROAD, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GONNA BE.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I'D SAY IS IF YOU LOOK AT AREA ONE, THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE ARE A LOT OF, I THINK CITY PARKING LOTS THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IF THE COMMISSIONER OR THE COMMISSION WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT, BUT I'D LOVE TO TRY AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TO, TO WHAT COMMISSIONER SUAREZ WAS SAYING WAS LET'S KIND OF SHOW THE COMMUNITY WHAT WE WANT THE CITY TO BE.
SO A LOT OF THE REAL ESTATE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE SEEN HERE ARE THESE HIGH-END CONDOS.
SO MAYBE INTRODUCING AN ADDITIONAL INCENTIVE, UH, TO TRY AND, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE SOME TYPE OF WORKFORCE HOUSING COMPONENT.
SO IF, IF YOU HAVE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WITH INCENTIVES IT GETS UP TO, WHAT IS IT, A THREE FIVE FAR FOR A LOT GREATER THAN 45,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO MAYBE IT GETS UP A LITTLE BIT MORE IF YOU INCLUDE WORKFORCE HOUSING OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
ARE THERE A LOT OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS ON, ON LINCOLN THAT ARE YES, THERE ARE.
BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO STORES AND HISTORIC BECAUSE OF AGE OR SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECT.
I MEAN, WHAT, THEY'RE BOTH AGE AND THEY'RE SIGNIFICANT.
WE COULD, WE COULD COME BACK WITH A LIST AND SHOW YOU THE, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT, UM, IS LIKE THE LINCOLN THEATER ON LINCOLN ROAD.
THAT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST ONES THAT WAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL ADAPTIVE REUSE FROM THE THEATER SPACE TO THE, THE RETAIL STORE.
AND IT LOOKS GREAT FROM THE OUTSIDE AND EVEN THE INSIDE.
IT HAS, YOU CAN, YOU CAN, IF YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE ORIGINAL THEATER SPACE WAS AND, AND, AND RECALL IT IN THE INTERIORS.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING FOR US TO DO TODAY ON THIS, BUT THIS IS JUST DO, UM, REVIEW IT LIKE WE DISCUSSED.
WHAT ABOUT THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION? IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DOING TODAY? NO, THAT'D BE, THAT'D BE FOR THE, UM, FOR THE TRANSMITTAL AT THE SECOND, AT THE MAY MEETING.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ALL, WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT THE BOARD, UM, CONTINUE BOTH THESE ITEMS TO THE, TO THE MAY MEETING DATE.
DO WE NEED TO MOVE OR? YEAH, WE MOTION, MOTION TO CONTINUE THESE ITEMS IN THE MAY.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL TAKE A QUICK LUNCH IF YOU WANT TO.
SO WE COULD DO, SINCE LET'S JUST FINISH IT.
NOW SHOULD BE A SHORTER DISCUSSION 'CAUSE IT'S VERY SIMILAR.
YEAH, SO I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY JUST DO LINCOLN ROAD EAST AND THEN DO THE LAST ONE, WHICH SHOULD BE REALLY MINOR.
SO I'LL, WE PROBABLY DO THIS BEFORE, UM, TAKING, TAKING LUNCH.
[11 PB25-0738. Lincoln Road East Residential Use Incentives - Comprehensive Plan Amendment]
[12 PB25-0739. Lincoln Road East Residential Use Incentives – LDR Amendments]
PB 25 0 7 38, WHICH IS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS RELATED TO LINCOLN ROAD EAST AND PB 25 0 0 7 3 9.UM, LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION AMENDMENTS RELATED TO LINCOLN ROAD, LINCOLN ROAD EAST.
NOW THE STAFF REPORT FOR THESE ITEMS BEGAN ON PAGE 141 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES.
AND JUST LIKE THE LAST ITEMS, WE HAVE A MAP TO BETTER HIGHLIGHT THESE AREAS AND THE MAP CAN BE FOUND ON PAGE AND WE FIND IT HERE ON PAGE 1 53 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES.
SO THIS BREAKS OUT, UM, THREE DIFFERENT AREAS AS WELL.
WE HAVE THE AREA, UM, ON 17TH STREET NORTH OF LINCOLN LANE NORTH, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED GREEN ON THE MAP.
THIS WOULD BE TO INCREASE THE FER FROM 2.75 AS CURRENTLY ZONED TO, UM, 3.5 AND INCREASE THE HEIGHT FROM 80 FEET TO 125 FEET.
AREA TWO, WHICH IS IN THE, THE BLUE OR PURPLE AREA IN THE CENTER.
THIS AREA IS, UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF LINCOLN ROAD FROM DREXEL AVENUE TO COLLINS AVENUE WITH AN FAR CURRENTLY OF 2.75.
WOULD INCREASE THAT TO 3.5 AND ALLOW THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT FROM 50 FEET TO 125 FEET.
AND THEN WE HAVE LINCOLN ROAD SOUTH.
NOW IN THIS AREA THERE ARE ALREADY TALLER BUILDINGS ON LINCOLN ROAD SOUTH.
SO THIS INCLUDES AN FAR INCREASE OF 2.75 TO 3.5 AND RAISES THE HEIGHT FROM 50 FEET TO, UM, 150 FEET.
NOW WE DID NOTE IN THIS AREA THE HEIGHT OF SOME CURRENT PROPERTIES INCLUDING, UM, FOUR 20 LINCOLN ROAD WITH THE HEIGHT OF 103 FEET, UM, AND THREE 50
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LINCOLN ROAD WITH A HEIGHT OF 80 FEET.UM, 1650 JAMES AVENUE WITH A HEIGHT OF 76 FEET.
AND THE CLOCK, THE 4 0 7 LINCOLN ROAD HAS A HEIGHT OF 186 FEET.
NOW AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE FOR, TO CREATE, UM, UH, RESIDENTIAL USE INCENTIVES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE INCREASED FAR THAT I MENTIONED.
NOW ALSO, IN ORDER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE, UM, THE FAR AND HEIGHT INCREASE, THIS WOULD REQUIRE THAT EACH PROJECT TO EITHER HAVE, HAVE ONE OF THE FOLLOWING, EITHER A COVERED A COVERED TRANSIT SHELTER WITHIN 1500 FEET OF THE DEVELOPMENT SITE, A CONTRIBUTION TO THE SOUTH BEACH PUBLIC BENEFIT FUND, OR THEY OBTAIN THE FULL BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN 24 MONTHS OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS ORDINANCE.
UM, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THE LINCOLN ROAD, UM, WEST, THIS DOES ALSO INCLUDE A PROVISION THAT REQUIRES A, UH, 50 FOOT SETBACK FOR PROPERTIES ON LINCOLN ROAD.
UM, IT DOES ALLOW MULTI-STORY ROOFTOP ADDITIONS SUBJECT TO THE REVIEW BY THE STORE PRESERVATION BOARD.
THIS ALSO DOES AS AN INCENTIVE, UM, WAIVE THE REQUIRED MOBILITY FEES FOR PROJECTS THAT OBTAIN A BUILDING PERMIT BY SEPTEMBER 1ST, UH, 2030.
NOW, JUST LIKE THE LINCOLN ROAD S THIS LINCOLN ROAD WEST, THIS WOULD BE A, UM, A SIX STEP PROCESS.
TODAY'S THE FIRST STEP IN THIS PROCESS.
WE WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING ON, ON MAY 6TH.
AND THEN AS WELL AS THE TWO CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS AND ANOTHER COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETING.
SO AGAIN, THESE WERE ALL REVIEWED IN CONTEXT BY THE LANDUS MEETING IN NOVEMBER 'CAUSE THE, THE, THE LANDUS COMMITTEE ASKED FOR THEM, ASKED TO REVIEW BOTH THE WASHINGTON AVENUE INCENTIVES AS WELL AS THE LINCOLN ROAD, EAST AND WEST ON NOVEMBER MEETING.
AND THESE ARE ALL COMING TO THE PLANNING BOARD NOW.
THE WASHINGTON AVENUE CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD IN, UM, IN JANUARY.
DO THEY, SO THIS TIME I'M JUST ASKING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FEEDBACK AND TO CONTINUE THIS APPLICA THESE APPLICATIONS TO THE MAIN MEETING.
DO THESE MIRROR EACH OTHER? DO THEY MIRROR ONE ANOTHER? THE EAST AND THE WEST? THEY'RE, UM, SIMILAR.
THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT IN FAR BECAUSE LINCOLN ROAD EAST ALREADY HAS HIGHER HEIGHT.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER HEIGHT IS OFFERED HERE AND WE DON'T HAVE THE, UM, THE LOWER RM ONE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH IS PERTAINABLE TO WHICH PERTAINS TO THE LINCOLN ROAD WEST.
SO WE DO BELIEVE THESE ARE CONS.
THESE, THESE DO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE IMMEDIATE CONTEXT AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
'CAUSE WE ALREADY, THAT'S WHICH, WHICH TALKED ABOUT JUST A LITTLE WHILE AGO ON THE EAST SIDE OF COLLINS AS WELL.
YOU HAVE THE HIGHER OCEANFRONT PROPERTY.
SO THE HIGHER, THE HIGHER HEIGHT IS ALSO PUSHED OVER HERE.
THIS IS ALSO THE CITY CENTER AREA, WHICH ALSO HAS A HIGHER HEIGHT ALLOWANCE WITH THAT.
WE DO HAVE NOBODY, I THINK, IN CHAMBERS AND THERE'S NOBODY ON LINE WITH THEIR HAND RAISED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT UP TO THE BOARD FOR, UM, FOR COMMENT.
YEAH, I MEAN I THINK WE'RE ALL SUPPORTIVE.
RIGHT? MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO THE MAIN MEETING.
ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED? I THINK IT'S ALL FANTASTIC.
[13 PB25-0743. Historic Preservation Board Fee Waiver for Single Family Home Applications.]
TODAY IS PLANNING BOARD 25 0 7 4 3.HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD FEE WAIVER FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOME APPLICATIONS.
UM, THIS APPLICATION IS A CITY SPONSORED ITEM AND THIS BEACON IN PAGE 181 OF THE BOARD PACKAGES.
THIS INITIALLY CAME, UM, FROM A REFERRAL BY THE CITY COMMISSION TO THE, UM, LAND USE AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE MEETING, UM, WHICH DISCUSSED PROPOSAL ON NOVEMBER 25TH AND RECOMMENDED TO THE PLANNING BOARD TRANSMIT THIS WITH THE FABLE RECOMMENDATION.
WHAT THIS DOES IS WAIVE THE APPLICA APPLICATION FEES FOR, UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR IN INDIVIDUALLY DESIGNATED AS HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
IT JUST WAIVES THE APPLICATION FEES.
THEY WOULD STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HARD COSTS IN TERMS OF THE, THE PUBLIC NOTICE, THE, THE MAIL NOTICE, THE SITE POSTING AND THE UM, AND THE, UM, SAY THE HERD NOTICE.
BUT IT WOULD WAIVE THE, THE BASE APPLICATION FEE, WHICH IS ABOUT $3,600 FOR APPLICATIONS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT HAVE TO MAKE AN APPLICATION HISTORIC RESERVATION BOARD.
NOW, UNLIKE HOMES OUTSIDE OF HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHENEVER YOU MAKE SOME, EVEN SOME MINOR CHANGES TO, UM, HOMES THAT ARE DESIGNATED IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR INDIVIDUALLY DESIGNATED, IT MAY, UM, REQUIRE A REVIEW BY HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
SO IT JUST LESSENS THE BURDENS FOR PROPERTIES THAT DO, UM, WANNA MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY AND HAVE TO MAKE AN APPLICATION TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
WE NOTED ONLY, I THINK ONLY FIVE APPLICATIONS OVER THE LAST, UM, FIVE YEARS.
SO THERE'S NO, NO COST IMPLICATION TO, FOR THE CITY IN TERMS OF THESE APPLICATIONS.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD TRANSMIT THIS TO THE CITY COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION.
WHAT WAS THE MOTIVATION BE FOR THIS? I WAS JUST ASK, JUST, JUST, JUST, JUST TO REMOVE IMPEDIMENTS FOR, UM,
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HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED HOMES FOR MAKING APPLICATION FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY.AND WHAT, WHAT IS NORMAL? WHAT'S THE NORMAL COST? 36.
THE NORMAL APP APPLICATION FEE'S ABOUT $3,600.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
ALRIGHT, THIS, I'LL OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
I SEE NOBODY HERE IN CHAMBERS AND NOBODY OH, ONLINE.
I'LL MOVE IT IF YOU LIKE, MADE A MOTION.
ANY QUESTIONS? SECOND COMMENTS ABOUT IT, SCOTT.
WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE MOTION.
ANYONE OPPOSED? CONGRATS ON FINISHING YOUR FIRST MEETING.
WELCOME BOARD AND FOR MAKING SO MANY CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENTS.
AND WE DO HAVE ABOUT 20 ORDINANCES ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH, SO BE PREPARED FOR THAT.
WHAT'S THAT? WE HAVE ABOUT, WE HAVE ABOUT NO 10 OR 15 ORDINANCES ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH.
SO WE DO HAVE A LONG AGENDA BOARD.
UM, MR. LATON ASKED EVERYBODY IF THEY COULD LET, LET US KNOW IF THERE, IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, ANY CONFLICTS WITH THE MEETINGS FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS TO LET US KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH MEETING QUORUM FOR, UM, FOR THE SUMMER.
SUMMER LIKE MAYBE LATE JUNE, JULY OR OCTOBER OR SEPTEMBER.
ANY OF THOSE WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO PLAN A TRIP FOR.
THIS ISN'T BEING RECORDED, IS IT? WE'RE GOOD.
UM, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PLAN A VACATION AND WE'RE GONNA BE GONE FOR AN EXTENDED PIECE A PERIOD OF TIME AND I'M GONNA MISS PROBABLY A MEETING OR SO.
UM, YES, I WOULD JUST ASK ANYBODY TO GIVE ME, UM, IF THEY'RE ANTICIPATED TO BE ABSENT FOR ANY MEETING COMING UP SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE A QUORUM FOR THOSE MEETINGS.
WE HAVE THE USUAL, THERE'S NO MEETINGS IN AUGUST, RIGHT? CORRECT.
NO MEETINGS IN AUGUST AND YOU CAN MISS UP THE TWO MEETINGS.
WELL, SO THAT OUR NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 8TH AND SO I THINK WE CAN ADJOURN.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY MEETING ADJOURNED.