* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. [00:00:06] GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THE APRIL 22ND, 2025 MEETING OF THE MIAMI BEACH, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD AND HAPPY EARTH DAY TO YOU ALL. AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO, UH, TURN THE MEETING INTRODUCTION OVER TO DEBBIE ETT. DEBBIE, UM, THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. UM, JUST ONE QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO NICK CLAUS. [ATTENDANCE] UM, WE WILL HAVE FIVE BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT TODAY. SO, UM, TWO SEATS ARE CURRENTLY VACANT, SO WE WILL HAVE FIVE THAT IS A QUORUM FOR ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS, UM, THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA THIS MORNING. UH, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, UH, CHIEF DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY NICK , TO READ THE NOTICE REGARDING LOBBYIST REGISTRATION AND SWEAR IN ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO TESTIFY. THANK [CITY ATTORNEY UPDATES] YOU, DEBBIE. AND GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD WILL BE CONDUCTED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH THE BOARD PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AT MIAMI BEACH CITY HALL, AND APPLICANT'S STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY IN TODAY'S MEETING, THE PUBLIC MAY DIAL 1-888-475-FOUR 4 9 9 AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 1 7 4 8 3 4 7 4 8 8 POUND, OR LOG INTO THE ZOOM APP AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH AGAIN IS 8 1 7 4 8 3 4 7 4 8 8. ANY INDIVIDUAL WISHING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM MUST CLICK THE RAISE HAND ICON IF THEY'RE USING THE ZOOM APP, OR DIAL STAR NINE IF THEY'RE PARTICIPATING BY PHONE. IF YOU'RE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A BUSINESS, A CORPORATION, OR ANOTHER PERSON, YOU NEED TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. IF YOU HAVEN'T REGISTERED YET, YOU SHOULD REGISTER BEFORE YOU SPEAK TO THE BOARD. YOU DON'T HAVE TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ONLY ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF AND NOT ANY OTHER PARTY, OR IF YOU'RE TESTIFYING AS AN EXPERT WITNESS, PROVIDING ONLY SCIENTIFIC, TECHNICAL OR OR OTHER SPECIALIZED INFORMATION OR TESTIMONY IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING, OR IF YOU'RE APPEARING AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION OR REIMBURSEMENT FOR YOUR APPEARANCE TO EXPRESS SUPPORT OF OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM. EXPERT WITNESSES AND REPRESENTATIVES OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SHALL PRIOR TO APPEARING DISCLOSE IN WRITING TO THE CITY CLERK, THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THE PRINCIPAL ON WHOSE BEHALF THEY'RE COMMUNICATING. IF YOU'RE AN ARCHITECT, ATTORNEY, OR EMPLOYEE REPRESENTING AN APPLICANT OR AN OBJECTOR, YOU MUST REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST. THESE RULES APPLY WHETHER YOU'RE APPEARING IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST AN ITEM, OR ENCOURAGING OR ARGUING AGAINST ITS PASSAGE, DEFEAT, MODIFICATION, OR CONTINUANCE. UM, AND LASTLY, I'D LIKE TO SWEAR IN ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR STAFF WHO WILL BE TESTIFYING TODAY. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU NICK. UH, MR. CHAIR, OUR [1. February 11, 2025 meeting] FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS THIS MORNING IS THE APPROVAL OF THE FEBRUARY MINUTES. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EDITS OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, [2. HPB24-0639, 833 6th Street – Possible Designation of an Historic Site. [Time Certain of 9 a.m. or shortly after]] SO WE CAN MOVE TO OUR FIRST REGULAR, UH, AGENDA ITEM. UH, THIS IS HPB 24 0 6 3 9 8 33 6 STREET, UH, THE POSSIBLE DESIGNATION OF A HISTORIC SITE. UH, WE ARE, UM, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION IS FOR THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER. WE, THE BOARD HAD PREVIOUSLY, UH, HEARD THE ITEM AT THE DECEMBER 17TH MEETING LAST YEAR AND CONTINUED THE APPLICATION TODAY. UM, DURING THE TIME BETWEEN THE LAST MEETING AND TODAY, I HAD INVITED, UM, SEVERAL, ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AT THE TIME, UH, TO TAKE A TOUR OF THE FACILITY. SEVERAL OF THE MEMBERS, UH, DID TAKE A TOUR WITH STAFF. I KNOW SEVERAL OF YOU ALSO WENT ON YOUR OWN. UM, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS, IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATION. UH, JUST TO QUICKLY, UM, FOR ANYONE WHO MAYBE DIDN'T HEAR THE DECEMBER PRESENTATION, TO SUMMARIZE THIS HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH. SO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION IS A PRELIMINARY EVALUATION. THIS IS NOT TO DESIGNATE FORMALLY THE THE HISTORIC SITE, UM, THE PRELIMINARY EVALUATION. UH, IF THE BOARD DECIDES THAT THEY BELIEVE THE SITE MEETS THE QUALIFICATIONS AS A, THE CRITERIA THAT ARE SET FORTH, UM, FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION, THEN THE BOARD MAY DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A FORMAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION [00:05:01] REPORT FOR THE SITE. UM, THAT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU AT A LATER MEETING. WE WOULD NOTICE THAT, UM, SEPARATELY AS A, AS, UM, THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION REPORT PRESENTATION. AT THAT, THE MEETING WHERE THE BOARD REVIEWS THE FORMAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION REPORT, THE BOARD WOULD THEN ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION. UM, THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO BOTH THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, UM, THE CITY SHOULD DESIGNATE THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER AS A HISTORIC SITE. THE APPLICATION WOULD THEN BE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD. THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD ALSO ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION. AND THEN FINALLY IT WOULD BE, UM, TWO READINGS AT THE CITY COMMISSION, OR THE CITY COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL AUTHORITY, UH, WHETHER OR NOT TO DESIGNATE AS A HISTORIC SITE. SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THE PROCESS. UM, A QUICK RECAP OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE EXISTING SITE, UH, SATISFIES THE MINIMUM CRITERIA REQUIRED, UM, FOR DESIGNATION AS A HISTORIC SITE SPECIFICALLY, UM, WE DO BELIEVE THE, UM, CRITERIA, A ASSOCIATION WITH EVENTS THAT HAVE MADE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE HISTORY OF THE CITY. THE COUNTY STATE ORDINATION HAS BEEN SATISFIED. UM, THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO URBAN RENEWAL POLICIES RESULTING FROM THE HOUSING ACT OF 1949. UM, THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER WAS CONSTRUCTED FROM HUD MONEY, UM, WHICH WAS THE FEDERAL GRANT, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROVIDING GRANTS, UH, TO MUNICIPALITIES. UM, CRITERIA C EMBODY DISTINCTIVE CHARACTERISTICS OF A HISTORICAL PERIOD, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STYLE, OR METHOD OF CONSTRUCTION. WE BELIEVE THIS IS SATISFIED. UM, THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER DOES EMBODY, UM, THE DISTINCTIVE, UH, CHARACTERISTICS OF STYLE. UM, WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT CRITERIA E IS SATISFIED, UM, REPRESENT THE WORK OF A MASTER, SERVE AN OUT OF AN OUTSTANDING OR REPRESENTATIVE WORK OF A MASTER DESIGNER, ARCHITECT, OR BUILDER WHO CONTRIBUTED TO OUR HISTORICAL AESTHETIC IN ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE. THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER WAS DESIGNED BY MORRIS LAPIDUS. UM, THIS IS A BIT OF A DEVIATION FROM WHAT WE'RE USED TO SEEING FROM MORRIS LAPIDUS. UM, THIS WAS A LATER BUILDING OF HIS AND SHOWED HIS EVOLUTION INTO, UM, OTHER STYLES BEYOND THE POST-WAR MODERN STYLE. UM, AND FINALLY, WE DO BELIEVE, UH, CRITERIA D IS PARTIALLY SATISFIED THAT, UM, THE, THE BUILDING POSSESSES ARTISTIC VALUES. UM, WE DO BELIEVE THE BUILDING DOES STILL POSSESS ARTISTIC VALUES. HOWEVER, UM, WE DID NOTE THAT SIGNIFICANT AND DISTINCTIVE FEATURES OF THE BRUTALIST STYLE HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERED, AND THAT'S MOST NOTABLY SEEN IN THE CONCRETE THAT HAS BEEN PAINTED MANY TIMES OVER. ORIGINALLY, IT WAS, UM, AGAIN, VERY CHARACTERISTIC OF THE BRI OF THE STYLE TO HAVE THE BOARD FORM EXPOSED CONCRETE. UM, AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THE BUILDING IS CAPABLE OF FULL RESTORATION. UM, WE HOPE IT IS, AND WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT, UM, SHOULD THIS BE DESIGNATED AS A HISTORIC SITE THAT THE CITY WILL, UH, COMMIT TO RESTORING THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL VALUE OF THE BUILDING. AND THAT IS A SUMMARY OF OUR RECOMMENDATION. UM, WE DID ALSO NOTE, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE SEA LEVEL RISE CRITERIA THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO REVIEW ANY DESIGNATION PROPOSAL AGAINST THAT, THE SITE IS EXTREMELY LOW. THE SITE IS ONE OF THE LOWEST IN THE CITY. UM, AND I THINK AS PART OF THIS, SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD, WE WOULD WANT TO ADVISE THE BOARD THAT ALTERATIONS ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED SPECIFICALLY TO THE GROUND LEVEL. UM, LIKELY IN THE FUTURE WHEN THE STREETS GET RAISED. UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT SHOULD BE A FLEXIBLE, UM, DESIGN PROJECT TO ADAPT THIS BUILDING FOR, FOR SEA LEVEL RISE. AND WITH THAT, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE BOARD, UH, DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE THE DESIGNATION REPORT FOR A FUTURE MEETING. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION JUST ON THE, UM, ON THE PROCESS OF THIS, WOULD, ARE WE ALSO GOING TO HEAR AN AN APPLICANT, UM, PRESENTATION, OR WAS THAT ESSENTIALLY, ARE YOU PRESENTING THAT? SO I'M, I'M PRESENTING THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S PRESENTATION. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS NOT THE APPLICANT. UM, THE CITY COMMISSION IS ACTUALLY THE APPLICANT. OKAY. THEY PASSED A RESOLUTION, UM, [00:10:03] RECOMMENDING THAT THE BOARD REVIEW, UH, A PRELIMINARY EVALUATION FOR THIS SITE. OKAY. SO I DON'T THINK AT THIS POINT WE HAVE ANY, UM, APPLICANT PRESENTATIONS. OKAY. YOUR PRESENTATION, DEBBIE, WAS THE, WAS THE CITY'S PRESENTATION. OKAY. SO ESSENTIALLY WE WOULD THEN, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR DEBBIE, UH, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO ASK THEM AND THEN WE'LL GO TO BOARD DISCLOSURES AND PUBLIC HEARING. GO AHEAD. MY QUESTION WOULD BE, THIS IS ALREADY IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT HAS THE SAME, UH, RESPECT OF ANY OTHER BUILDING IN THE DISTRICT. AND I LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE IN THE COLLINS PARK NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU HAVE THE BASS MUSEUM, AND THAT'S NOT DESIGNATED AS HISTORIC. UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND TO ME, THERE'S SOMETHING POLITICAL GOING ON TRYING TO DESIGNATE THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING WHEN THERE ARE OTHER BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, IN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH THAT SHOULD ALREADY BE DESIGNATED AS, AS AS HISTORIC. SO I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFICULTY WITH THIS. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION FOR DEBBIE? SO I WAS NOT HERE AT THE DECEMBER 17TH MEETING, UM, BUT I DID WATCH IT. UM, I WAS IN COURT THAT DAY, SORRY, I GUESS. UM, BUT I DID WATCH IT. AND I THINK A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT, THAT WERE REQUESTED WERE ONE A LIST OF, UH, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THIS CONTINUANCE, RIGHT? THE CONTINUANCE WAS TO GET MORE INFORMATION. SO THAT'S WHY I WATCHED DECEMBER 17TH, SO THAT WE COULD THEN COME HERE TODAY WITH MORE INFORMATION, UM, WAS TO GET A LIST OF LIKE THE, SORRY TO GET A LIST OF THE OTHER INDIVIDUALLY DESIGNATED SITES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY. DID, DID WE GET THAT? UM, I DON'T THINK, I MEAN, WE HAVE ON, ON OUR HISTORIC PROPERTIES DATABASE, ALL OF THE INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC SITES. UM, WE HAVE MANY THAT ARE CITY OWNED PROPERTIES AND SEVERAL THAT ARE PRIVATELY OWNED. UM, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, YEAH, MAYBE IF YOU COULD TALK THROUGH SOME OF, I MEAN, JUST GIVE SOME EXAMPLES. I MEAN, I KNOW THE BAT, I KNOW IN DECEMBER 17TH MEETING AGAIN, I, I WATCHED IT, RAY BROUGHT UP THE BASS MUSEUM. UM, BUT GIVE SOME EXAMPLES OF OTHER PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY HAS DESIGNATED IN THE PAST. YEAH, SURE. SO I THINK, UM, THE EARLIEST ONE, I BELIEVE, UM, THE CARL FISHER CLUBHOUSE, UM, IS A CITY OWNED HISTORIC SITE. UH, WE ALSO HAVE OLD CITY HALL IN THE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, THAT IS A HISTORIC SITE. UH, FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO, UM, IS A HISTORIC SITE. UH, THE VENETIAN CAUSEWAY, THE MIAMI BEACH WOMAN'S CLUB, UH, SUNSET ISLAND BRIDGES ONE, TWO, AND FOUR. UH, THE BATH CLUB ON COLLINS AVENUE, THAT'S PRIVATELY OWNED, UH, PINE TREE DRIVE ROADWAY, UM, WHICH IS A COUNTY OWNED ROAD , UM, THE FLAGLER MEMORIAL AND MONUMENT ISLAND CITY OWNED PROPERTY. UM, THE 28TH STREET OBELISK AND PUMPING STATION. UH, WE HAVE THE OTHER TWO, UH, CITY OWNED PROPERTIES ARE THE NORTH BEACH BANDSHELL IN THE COLLINS CANAL, WHICH WAS OUR MOST RECENT DESIGNATION. UM, IN TERMS OF PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTIES, WE HAVE THE INTERNATIONAL INN, UH, 36 OCEAN DRIVE, 1600 COLLINS AVENUE. UM, AND AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE BATH CLUB, THE REST OF THE SITES ARE MUNICIPAL OWNED. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DEBBIE? THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GET TO PUBLIC, UH, BEFORE WE GET TO DISCLOSURES AND THEN PUBLIC CARE, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, DEBBIE, WHAT WOULD BE THE ADDITIONAL ADVANTAGES OR DISADVANTAGES SHOULD THE BUILDING BE DESIGNATED A HISTORIC? OKAY, AND THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND I'M, I, I'M GLAD TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY. SO, MR. BROLIN IS CORRECT. THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER IS CURRENTLY LOCATED WITHIN A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION WITHIN THE DISTRICT, IT IS CURRENTLY UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. IT IS CLASSIFIED, UM, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AS NON-CONTRIBUTING. THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE PROCESS IN WHICH ALTERATIONS ARE REVIEWED. UM, IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE PROCESS FOR DEMOLITION, UH, THAT REMAINS THE SAME. UM, HOWEVER, WHEN, WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE THE BOARD SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO RECLASSIFY THE BUILDING AS CONTRIBUTING. SO A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING IS ONE THAT [00:15:01] CONTRIBUTES TO THE TIME SINCE IN PLACE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING, UM, IS AN ANOMALY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN TERMS OF OUR OTHER CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS. UM, IT WAS BUILT LATER, UM, IN 1970 AND LATER IN 1975, IT WAS ADDED ONTO AND IS A DISTINCT STYLE COMPARED TO THE OTHER STYLES THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING WITHIN THE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. THEREFORE, THE BOARD AT THAT TIME DID NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS BUILDING WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS, UM, THE OTHER CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND IT REMAINED, UM, NON-CONTRIBUTING AS AN INDIVIDUAL SITE. THE CRITERIA ARE QUITE DIFFERENT. IT DOESN'T NEED TO RELATE ENTIRELY TO ITS SURROUNDING HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, AND, AND STANDING ON ITS OWN AS AN INDIVIDUAL SITE. STAFF DOES BELIEVE THAT THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING, UM, DOES MEET THE CRITERIA. IT IS, AGAIN NOW FOR ALL THE REASONS I EXPRESSED EARLIER. NOW, CREATING A HISTORIC SITE WOULD, WOULD NOT ALTER ANY OF THE PROCESS THAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE FOR THE NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING. SO THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR ALTERATIONS, THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR DEMOLITION WOULD BE THE SAME AS IT IS TODAY. WHAT IT MAY DO, UM, IS OPEN UP CERTAIN GRANT OPPORTUNITIES. UM, OFTEN THERE ARE, THERE ARE SPECIFIC GRANTS FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION THAT WE, WE CAN APPLY FOR THROUGH THE STATE OF FLORIDA. UM, THERE ARE ALSO CERTAIN, UH, BUILDING CODE RELIEF FOR, FOR HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN TERMS OF, UM, ACCESSIBILITY AND FLOODPLAIN, UH, REQUIREMENTS. SO THE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME BENEFITS TO THE, TO THE HISTORIC SITE DESIGNATION, BUT OVERALL, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE HOW THIS PROPERTY IS REVIEWED. ALL CITY OWNED BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN EITHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR INDIVIDUALLY DESIGNATED, UM, DO SHIFT JURISDICTION OVER DEMOLITION TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION. UM, THAT WOULD NOT CHANGE IF WE, UH, DESIGNATE THIS AS A HISTORIC SITE. SO THE BOARD IS A RECOMMENDING BODY IN TERMS OF DEMOLITION FOR CITY OWNED PROPERTIES. ULTIMATELY, IT'S A MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION DECISION IF THE DEMOLITION IS, IS GRANTED. SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. YES, THANK YOU. CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? GO. IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC REASON WHY THIS CAME TO, TO US AT THIS POINT IN TIME, SINCE IT WAS REVIEWED IN THE PAST AND REMAIN NON-CONTRIBUTING? SO IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC ONE THAT'S HAPPENING AT THIS POINT? AGAIN? SO THE, THE, THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION, UH, TOOK THIS ITEM UP IN TERMS OF THE, I THINK THEY HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER AND WHAT WOULD THE FUTURE BE IN TERMS OF THE USES. UM, CURRENTLY THERE'S THE DAYCARE. UM, THERE IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN A LOT OF OTHER SOCIAL PROGRAMS IN THE BUILDING, INCLUDING THE SENIOR MEALS, UM, PROGRAM, WHICH I THINK DURING COVID, UH, WENT AWAY. UM, SO THE COMMISSION WAS DISCUSSING IDEAS FOR PROGRAMMING AND BRINGING BACK SOME OF THOSE SOCIAL, UH, SERVICE USES. UM, AT THE SAME TIME, THERE, THERE WAS THE FIRE STATION PROPOSAL, UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, A SEVERAL YEAR LONG PROCESS IN WHICH THIS BOARD DID REVIEW A DESIGN OPTION FOR A FIRE STATION THAT WAS ULTIMATELY APPROVED, WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS. UM, AND THEN THERE WAS A DESIRE ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION TO NOT PUT THE FIRE STATION HERE TO FIND A ALTERNATE LOCATION FOR THE FIRE STATION AND TO REALLY CONCENTRATE ON HOW TO REPROGRAM AND MAINTAIN, UM, THE EXISTING SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER. SO I THINK AS PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, UM, IT WAS, UH, COMMISSIONER TANYA BOT WHO SPONSORED A RESOLUTION TO REFER A POSSIBLE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF THIS SITE TO THIS BOARD. LINDSAY? YES, SO I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION. UM, SO, AND THE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE THE CRITERIA A THROUGH H, UM, BUT IT TALKS ABOUT THE PROPERTY SHALL POSSESS AN INTEGRITY OF LOCATION DESIGN, SETTING MATERIALS, WORKMANSHIP FEELING AND ASSOCIATION, AND MEET THE CRITERIA. SO CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF LOCATION DESIGN LIKE THAT? THAT'S NOT ADDRESSED IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT'S JUST THE CRITERIA THAT'S ADDRESSED. SO CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT [00:20:01] A LITTLE BIT? SURE. SO INTEGRITY OF LOCATION BASICALLY MEANS HAS IT BEEN MOVED, HAS THE LOCATION SINCE THE TIME IT WAS CONSTRUCTED, CHANGED SO DRAMATICALLY THAT IT ALTERS THE, YOU KNOW, THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE WITH THE, WITH THE HISTORIC SITE. UM, SO WE DO BELIEVE THE INTEGRITY OF LOCATION IS, IS, UM, SATISFIED. UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, AND, AND WE'VE NOTED CERTAIN ALTERATIONS INCLUDING THE ENCLOSURE OF THAT SECOND LEVEL, UM, THE PAINTING OF THE EXPOSED CONCRETE. UM, AND WE WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT TO THE BOARD BECAUSE WHILE, UM, WE DO BELIEVE IT STILL MAINTAINS ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY, THAT OUR ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY HAS BEEN COMPROMISED. UM, AND WHILE WE'RE NOT CERTAIN, BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THE CITY HAS EXPLORED THIS AT THIS POINT, THAT THE BUILDING COULD BE RESTORED, WE'RE CERTAINLY HOPEFUL THAT THE BUILDING COULD BE RESTORED. ALRIGHT. ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, FOR DEBBIE? ALRIGHT, THEN I GUESS WE GO TO BOARD DISCLOSURES. UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO DISCLOSE? ANYBODY TAKE A TOUR OF THE BUILDING? THE STAFF? OKAY. YEAH. ALRIGHT. I DID TOO. I MEAN, I DIDN'T TAKE A TOUR, BUT I VISITED IT MULTIPLE TIMES. . ALRIGHT. ON MY OWN. NOW I THINK WE CAN GET TO, UM, TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND DEBBIE, DO YOU WANT TO MANAGE THAT? YES. UM, ANYONE WISHING TO TESTIFY ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PLEASE COME FORWARD. THANK YOU. MAY PLEASE BEGIN. GOOD MORNING. I'M DAVID MCKINNEY. I LIVE AT 10 20 MERIDIAN AVENUE, MIAMI BEACH. I'M SORRY. IS, IS THIS BETTER? YEAH, THAT'S BETTER. OKAY. MY APOLOGIES AGAIN. I, GOOD MORNING. I'M DAVID MCKINNEY. I LIVE AT 10 20 MERIDIAN AVENUE, MIAMI BEACH, 3 3 1 3 9, AND I AM A RETIRED ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN. UM, I WILL SAY THAT I PROBABLY MORE THAN ANYONE IN MIAMI BEACH, I HAVE SAT THROUGH EVERY MEETING RELATED TO THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER EVENING, UH, PROBABLY MORE THAN EVEN MS. TACKETT. AND I CAN SAY THAT IN MOST OF THOSE MEETINGS, THIS BUILDING HAS NOT BEEN EVEN CONSIDERED ON ITS MERIT ONLY BECAUSE OF OTHER THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON, UH, TO WIT THE WHERE TO PUT THE FIRE STATION. SO, TODAY I WOULD ASK YOU TO REALLY, TO FOLLOW THE GUIDANCE OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UM, STATUTES. AND REALLY, I CONSIDER THIS BUILDING ON ITS OWN MERIT. NOW, THE, THE, WHILE I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, ANY REASONABLE PERSON CAN UNDERSTAND THE, THAT WHEN IT SAYS THE PRESERVATION AND CONSERVATION OF PROPERTIES OF HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL AND ARCHEOLOGICAL MERIT IN THE CITY IS A PUBLIC POLICY. AND IN ADDITION TO YOU, UH, EXERCISING YOUR EVALUATION, I THINK YOU DO ALSO HAVE A, UM, OBLIGATION TO FOLLOW THE PUBLIC POLICY OF THE CITY. UM, THE MS. TACKETT HAS GONE THROUGH, UH, THE EVALUATION CRITERIA. AND I WOULD, UH, ACTUALLY SAY THAT FROM MY, UH, PROFESSIONAL STANDPOINT IN THAT, UH, THE CRITERIA IS, UH, THEY'RE FULLY SATISFIED FOR ALL BUT THE ONE DESIGNATION OF A HISTOR ON NATIONAL REGISTER, UH, FOR, UH, UH, TIME'S SAKE. I WILL NOT GO THROUGH ALL THOSE ASPECTS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, NOTE THAT, UH, UM, THAT TWO OF THE VOTES AGAINST THE, UH, UM, UH, THE TWO DECIDING VOTES ON THE E UH, EARLIER, UH, DESIGNATION OF THIS AS CONTRIBUTING DID SO BECAUSE THEY SAID, UH, FOLLOWING MS, UH, TACKETT'S GUIDANCE THAT, UM, THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED AS THE CONSTRUCTION DATE WAS 1970 A AS MS. TACKETT NOTES. AND SHE, UH, THERE DISAGREED, BUT, UH, THERE JACK F. GLASS, WHO WAS THE CHAIR AT THAT MOMENT, [00:25:01] AND ALSO, UH, A GRADUATE OF COLUMBIA'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM, NOTED THAT IT IS, UH, UH, THAT THE GROUNDBREAKING WAS IN 1969 AND THE USUAL DATE FOR CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S WHY THERE IS A GROUND DATE. THERE IS 1969. SO THERE THAT, UH, WAS A FACTOR THAT YOU SHOULD BE AWARE. MR. UH, STEWART, MAY I HAVE JUST A FEW MORE MINUTES? ONE, ONE MORE MINUTE, PLEASE. OKAY. 'CAUSE WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A TIME CERTAIN AT 10. OKAY. AND WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF STARTED THIS PROCESS, SO, OKAY. UH, THERE, UM, THERE, JUST TO ADDRESS THEN THE, UH, THE, UH, AND WHY I GAVE YOU PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, QUICKLY, THE INTEGRITY OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, IF YOU WILL LOOK AT, UH, THE, UH, PICTURE THERE, UH, OF THE, UM, THEIR, UH, THE PAINTED, UH, CONCRETE. YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, UH, FORMS STILL ON THERE. THE OTHER ASPECT IS SEA LEVEL RISE AND SO FORTH. THAT BUILDING BY MY TAPE MEASUREMENT IS 41, UH, THERE INCHES ABOVE THE STREET LEVEL. NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PICTURES THERE, IF YOU GO THROUGH TIMES STATE, IT WAS STANDARDS AND, AND LIST THOSE, UH, FROM THERE YOU HAVE THAT. SO, I WOULD ASK YOU TODAY TO FOLLOW THE NATIONAL SOCIETY OF ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIANS, THE FLORIDA TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND OUR OWN LOCAL ORGANIZATION, AND RECOGNIZE THIS BUILDING, WHICH IS ALREADY IN THE CANNON OF MORRIS LAPUS AND IS PICTURED HERE AS THE FIRST BUILDING OF HIS PUBLIC BUILDINGS IN MORRIS LADIS IN THE AMERICAN GROUP. THANK YOU, DAVID. THANK YOU. GREAT. GREAT WORK. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. I AM MITCH NOVIK. UH, I OWN A HENRY HO HAUSER DESIGNED APARTMENT BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET AT SIX 10 JEFFERSON AVENUE. IN 1967, THERE WAS A, AN AUCTION OF WHAT WAS BELIEVED TO BE UNDEVELOPABLE SWAMP LAND IN NORTHEAST AID COUNTY. UH, AT THE END OF THE AUCTION, THERE WERE TWO BIDDERS REMAINING, THE MUSK FAMILY AND THE SFR FAMILY. AND ULTIMATELY, THE SFR FAMILY PURCHASED THAT LAND KNOWN AS AVENTURA. TODAY FOR $6 MILLION, THE SOFAS IN TURN HIRED MORRIS LAPUS AND ASSOCIATES TO PLAN A CITY. UH, IN 1972, MY FAMILY PURCHASED A PRE-CONSTRUCTION WINTER'S SUMMER HOME IN A DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS VILLA DORADO. UH, PRIMARILY 3, 2, 3, AND SOME FOUR STORY STRUCTURES. THOSE STRUCTURES ARE IN THE SAME VOCABULARY AND LANGUAGE AS THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER. UH, I WOULD URGE YOU TO PROCEED WITH THIS, UH, PRELIMINARY EVALUATION. UH, THIS BUILDING IS IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. HI, I'M ROGER GOLDBLATT, 1750 JAMES AVENUE. I'M SPEAKING FOR MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE. UH, WE LY SUPPORT THE DESIGNATION OF 8 33 SIXTH STREET. SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER HAS A HISTORIC SITE. THIS SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURE OF DESIGN BY RENOWNED ARCHITECT MARS LAPIDUS HAS LONG SERVED AS A COMMUNITY GEM AND A PHYSICALLY RECOGNIZED, UH, RESOURCE FOR MANY, MANY PEOPLE. UH, WE WORKED COLLABORATIVELY WITH SHAKE WITH STAKEHOLDERS OVER THE YEARS TO PRESERVE THIS IMPORTANT BUILDING AND ARE PLEASED TO SEE IT POSSIBLY RECEIVING FORMAL RECOGNITION THAT IT REALLY DESERVES AS IT FOR TO IGNORE SIGNIFICANCE WITHIN OUR DISTRICT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE, UH, JOHANN MOORE ON ZOOM. GOOD MORNING, JOHANN. GOOD MORNING, JOHANN. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, I DO. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING BOARD MEMBERS. UH, GOOD MORNING TO STAFF. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO, UH, DEBBIE TACKETT FOR ALL OF HER EFFORTS, UM, AND HAVING SEEN THIS PROCESS THROUGH OVER THE YEARS. UM, I WANT TO JUST SAY A FEW THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, UH, THE COMMUNITY DOES APPRECIATE, UH, THE BOARD'S RESPONSIBILITIES TO THE INTEGRITY OF THEIR POSITION. [00:30:01] UH, AND WE WOULD NOT, IN FACT WANT TO URGE YOU TO MOVE FORWARD IF YOU DO NOT TRULY BELIEVE THAT THIS BUILDING IS WORTHY OF, UH, EXTRA PROTECTION. THE COMMUNITY, THOUGH, IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BUILDING AND ITS FUTURE. AND WE WOULD URGE THAT YOU GO FORWARD, UH, BECAUSE WE DO BELIEVE IT MEETS THE CRITERIA, BUT ALSO BECAUSE, AS I SAID IN THE LETTER, UH, TO THE BOARD MEMBERS, UH, IT IS A TOUCHSTONE AND AN ICONIC OBJECT, UH, FOR OUR COMMUNITY, UH, REFLECTING ITS PAST AND HOPES FOR ITS FUTURE. IT WILL ALSO, AS, UH, DEBBIE REMINDED US AS IT WINS ITS WAY THROUGH WHAT IS IN FACT GOING TO BE AN ONGOING TORTUOUS, UH, PROCESS OF APPROVALS OR CONSIDERATIONS. IF THE APPROVAL LANDS AT COMMISSION AND IS APPROVED, UH, THEN IT WILL, IF YOU WILL, TIE THE HANDS OF A FUTURE COMMISSION, UH, IN WAYS THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD FIND REASSURING, UH, THAT A FUTURE COMMISSION WILL NOT SUGGEST, UH, DESTROYING THIS BUILDING. UH, AND ITS MEANING FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN ORDER TO CITE OTHER PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THERE, HEAVEN FORBID, HEAVY IMPACT, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE DESIGNATING THIS BUILDING, UH, IS CONSISTENT WITH FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S SIXTH STREET OVERLAY, AND ITS PROPOSED PROTECTIONS. AND IN FACT, THE SITE INTEGRITY IS ASSURED, UH, BY THAT WE'RE NEVER GOING TO END UP WITH A FREEWAY OFF RAMP, UH, RIGHT ABOVE THE BUILDING, FOR INSTANCE. THAT WENT THROUGH MY MIND AS, AS DEBBIE WAS MAKING HER COMMENTS. UM, AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU MISSPOKE, UH, ABOUT THE FIRE STATION. IS IT NOT FIRE STATION ONE? UH, OUR LITTLE FIRE STATION THAT IS THE CONTRIBUTING ONE? UH, OR AM AM I, AM I UNAWARE OF SOME OTHER, UH, UH, STRIKING STRUCTURE THAT IS FIRE STATION TWO? SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, TO THE BOARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I HOPE YOU WILL MOVE THIS PROCESS FORWARD. UH, AND I'LL END BY REMARKS WITH MY APPRECIATION FOR EVERYONE'S INVOLVEMENT. THANK YOU. DID YOU WANNA RESPOND TO YES. FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO? RIGHT. UM, IT IS AN INDIVIDUALLY, UH, DESIGNATED STRUCTURE. THIS IS ON, UM, BOULEVARD DAVE BOULEVARD IN 2020 THIRD STREET. YEP. UM, IT'S A REALLY UNIQUE, INTERESTING BUILDING. FIRE STATION. NUMBER ONE IS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING WITHIN THE FLAMINGO PARK DISTRICT. SO ANY OTHER, ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE OR ONLINE? NO. OKAY. SO THAT, UH, CLOSES PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, ANY OTHER, SO WITHOUT, I GUESS WE HAD APPLICANT REBUTTAL WITH THE FIRE STATION TWO , UH, REMARK. ANY, OKAY. SO NOW WE, IT'S OUR TURN TO KIND OF MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT THIS AND, UM, ASK EACH OTHER QUESTIONS OR WHATEVER. OKAY. OKAY. I WAS ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD WHEN THIS SITE WAS APPROVED FOR THE NEW FIRE STATION, AND MANY OF THE FEATURES OF THIS BUILDING WERE BEING SAVED FOR THE FIRE STATION. AND UNTIL, UM, A NEW FIRE STATION IS ACTUALLY BUILT, THIS PLAN STILL COULD BE BUILT. AND I THEREFORE CANNOT VOTE TO DO ANYTHING MORE WITH THIS BUILDING UNTIL THERE'S A FIRE STATION BUILT. THEN I MIGHT CONSIDER WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEING ASKED. OKAY. HASCO, I, UM, APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND I CONCUR WITH YOU AND I SUPPORT THAT. AND SECONDLY, I THINK THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, REFURBISHING THIS BUILDING DOWN THE ROAD WILL BE ASTRONOMICAL, CONSIDERING THE GROUND FLOOR IS SEVERAL FEET BELOW FLOOD ELEVATION, AND WE WOULD LOSE THE ENTIRE USE OF IT. SO FOR THAT REASON, UH, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. OTHER THAN THAT, HAVING WORKED WITH MORRIS LAPIDUS, UM, AND HIM EXPRESSING THAT THIS WAS PROBABLY HIS LEAST FAVORITE BUILDING THAT HE'S EVER DESIGNED, AND THERE'S A REASON WHY IT'S CALLED, IN MY OPINION, BRUTALIST DESIGN, UH, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT, UH, ADDING ADDITIONAL COST TO STUDYING THIS BUILDING ANY FURTHER. SO WITH THAT, I TURN IT OVER TO YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT THAT THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE? LINDSAY ELIZABETH? NOT RIGHT NOW. UH, THIS IS THE ONLY TIME YOU HAVE I KNOW. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. ALL RIGHT, THEN, IF THERE AREN'T ANY MORE COMMENTS, I WILL, I WILL SIMPLY SAY THAT I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, UH, PROJECT BEING. YES. WHAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH, I'M LETTING HER OVER, OVER. SORRY. OH, THANK YOU. OH, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU EITHER ONE. OKAY. GO, PLEASE. [00:35:01] UM, SO, SO ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, I TOO AM FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT FOR A WHILE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH, UM, AND I ACTUALLY ASKED OUR CITY ATTORNEY IN ADVANCE OF THIS, UM, WHETHER THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A MANDATORY OR PERMISSIVE, RIGHT? SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS IS, YOU KNOW, IF IT SATISFIES THIS AND IF THE STAFF MAKES THE RECOMMENDATION, ARE WE REQUIRED TO DO SO? AND, AND MY DETERMINATION IS NO. UM, AND, AND BECAUSE IT IS PERMISSIVE, UM, I ALSO STRUGGLE WITH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN THE PRIOR TESTIMONY ABOUT THE BUILDING ITSELF AND SETTING ASIDE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ALWAYS STRUGGLED WITH WAS THE FACT THAT THOSE UPPER, LIKE THE UPPER SECTION HAD BEEN CLOSED IN THE, THE GATES HAD BEEN DROPPED. AND THE, THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS GIVEN AT THAT TIME, HOLD ON, WAS, UM, NOT FEASIBLE TO RETAIN THE ENTIRE BUILDING FOR A MUNICIPAL USE. IT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH MUNICIPAL USE. UM, IT DOESN'T LEND ITSELF TO USE TODAY WITH OUR MUNICIPAL USES. AND SO THAT'S THE STRUGGLE THAT I HAVE. AND SETTING ALL THAT ASIDE, UM, I DON'T SEE THAT THERE IS ANYTHING THAT STANDS IN THE WAY OF THE CITY, YOU KNOW, PROGRAMMING THIS BUILDING IF THAT'S WHAT THEY CHOOSE TO DO, REGARDLESS OF A HISTORIC DESIGNATION. UM, AND SO WHILE I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY WANTS US TO LOOK AT IT IN A VACUUM AND NOT CONSIDER THE REASON IT IS BEFORE US TODAY, I THINK THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING STANDING IN THE WAY OF DOING ALL THESE THINGS THAT THE CITY HAS SAID, AT LEAST FOR THE LAST YEAR, IF NOT MORE, THAT THEY WANNA DO. UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DOESN'T PREVENT THE CONTINUED USE OF THE BUILDING AS IS TODAY. UM, AND IT DOESN'T PREVENT, YOU KNOW, FUTURE FLOOD PROOFING. IT DOESN'T PREVENT ANYTHING. AND OBVIOUSLY THE BUILDING STILL STANDS UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THIS BOARD, WHETHER IT IS COMPOSED OF US OR OTHERS, UM, IN THE FUTURE. UM, BUT NOT ONLY THAT, BECAUSE I WENT BACK TO LOOK AT THIS, I, I DO HAVE SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS. UM, WHAT 5, 5, 4 OR FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN WE ADDED A WATER EXPERT TO THIS BOARD, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS SPECIFICALLY, THE COMMISSION SAID, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION. WE NEED TO HAVE A PERSON THAT HAS THOSE, THOSE, UM, THOSE CREDENTIALS TO SIT ON THIS BOARD. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SEA LEVEL RISE IS A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM. AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A VIDEO MARCH 23RD, 2024 OF THAT ENTIRE SECTION UNDERWATER LAST MARCH, UNDERWATER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE THREE WEEKS AGO WHEN WE HAD THIS MAJOR EVENT. AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE MORE FREQUENT, MORE READILY OCCURRING. AND SO IF KIND OF TALKING THIS THROUGH, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'VE LABORED OVER THIS A LOT. UM, IF I THINK ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS OR ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS IN THE DECEMBER 17TH MEETING WAS IF WE, LIKE MOVING FORWARD, WE COULD, IF YOU WILL, VACATE THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, THERE'S, I KNOW THERE'S A TERM FOR THAT. I'M PROBABLY NOT USING THE RIGHT WORD, BUT, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE FIRST FLOOR OUT, MAKE THAT BREEZEWAY IF YOU WILL, OPEN AND UTILIZE JUST THE SECOND FLOOR. YOU KNOW, ARE WE THEN FURTHER BASTARDIZING THIS BUILDING THE USES THAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR, AND THE REASON WHY THE ARGUMENT IS BEING MADE FOR IT BEING DESIGNATED HISTORIC IN THE FIRST PLACE. UM, SO THOSE ARE KIND OF, THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS AND, AND THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. UM, LIKE I SAID, I WASN'T HERE IN DECEMBER, SO MY COMMENTS ARE A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH. UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THIS. GREAT. THANK YOU. ELIZABETH. YES. I DIDN'T WANNA DISAPPOINT YOU NOT HAVING AN OPINION YES. THAT, NO, NO. I MEAN, I THINK THERE IS A BIG STRUGGLE INSIDE OF ME BETWEEN SAYING YES OR NO. AND MAINLY BECAUSE, UH, I THINK THERE IS, UM, YES, I UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF THE BUILDING AND ITS CONNECTION TO MARY LAPUS AND THE STYLE, BUT ONE THING THAT COMES TO MY MIND OFTEN IS THAT WE HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES AND WE HAVE A LIST OF BUILDINGS THAT IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE EVEN MORE THREATENED BY CLIMATIC CHANGES. AND WHERE DO WE PUT OUR RESOURCES? AND I HATE TO SAY IT'S LIKE WE HAVE TO CHOOSE WHICH BUILDINGS TO PRESERVE AND WHICH NOT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE THE MEANS TO PRESERVE EVERYTHING THAT WE MAY DEEM HISTORICALLY OR ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANT IN THE CITY. SO, UH, THE MORE WE TIE BUILDINGS TO STRINGS AT THIS POINT NOW, MORE COMPLICATED IT GETS IN THE FUTURE. AND THEN THE RESOURCES, WE MAY BE MORE WISELY SPREADING THROUGHOUT OTHER BUILDINGS THAT MAY MERIT MORE THAN THIS ONE. UH, WHAT MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE AT THAT POINT. SO THAT'S WHERE MY, MY MIND KEEPS GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE YES OR NO. [00:40:03] OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I WAS, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT, UM, UH, I, THE FIRST FINISHED FLOOR, I BET IF YOU WENT BACK TO YOUR VIDEO, YOU WOULD SEE THE FIRST FINISHED FLOOR WAS DRY AT THAT TIME DURING THAT, NO, IT'S NOT THE FIRST FINISHED FLOOR. NOT THE ROAD, THE ROAD. BECAUSE THE, THIS, I WOULD JUST ARGUE THAT THE AGREED, I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, 40 INCHES ABOVE THE, THE ROAD, BUT THIS, BUT BE THAT AS A MAY, I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE. I UNDERSTAND ALL OF YOUR OPINIONS, I RESPECT THEM. I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, TO SHOW LEADERSHIP IN THE WAY WE ARE THINKING ABOUT OUR, OUR HISTORIC FABRIC AND THAT WE CAN, UM, TAKE THIS BUILDING ON FOR ALL OF THE CHALLENGES IT HAS. I, I WAS AT LINCOLN, I WAS ON LINCOLN ROAD WHEN MORRIS LAPIDUS WAS THERE, AND HE, AND WE WERE TRYING TO POINT OUT THINGS THAT WERE GONNA BE DESTROYED, UH, BEAUTIFUL FEATURES OF LINCOLN RO THE ROAD THAT WERE GONNA BE DESTROYED IN THE MID NINETIES. AND MORRIS CAME BY AND SAID, LET HIM GO. LET HIM GO. I'VE GOT THIS PROJECT, I'M, I'M GONNA BE TAKING ON THIS NEW PROJECT. SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND HE DIDN'T HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF, HE, LET'S JUST SAY HE WASN'T A PRESERVATIONIST. AND HE HAD, HE HAD FAVORITES AT DIFFERENT TIMES. HIS FAVORITE BUILDING WAS PROBABLY HIS NEXT BUILDING, LIKE MOST ARCHITECTS. SO, UM, OR THE ONE HE IS WORKING ON. BUT I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES WITH THIS BUILDING. I DO THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE LEADERS IN THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE OUR, WHERE HISTORIC PRESERVATION'S GOING IN, NOT ONLY IN OUR CITY, BUT IN OUR COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD. AND THAT THE PRESERVATION OF CONCRETE BUILDINGS OF THIS ERA IS THE NEXT WAVE. AND WE WILL SEE IT. I, I KNOW MY STUDENTS LOOK AT THESE BUILDINGS FOR THEM, THEY'RE . MIGHT AS WELL BE THE PYRAMIDS IN EGYPT. UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE, UM, WHATEVER THE BOARD DECIDES, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL, WE'LL DECIDE TOGETHER. AND, UM, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO THINK, I ALSO THINK THAT THIS DESIGNATION IS NOT, THE, IS NOT SO MUCH A, A SHACKLE ON THE BUILDING AS IT IS, UH, SHOWING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BUILDINGS TO BE DESIGNATED. 'CAUSE WE'RE, THERE ARE MANY, MANY HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING, THAT ARE DESIGNATED THAT WILL ALSO NEED TO BE CHANGED. THIS WE WILL HAVE TO BE MOVING FORWARD WITH A LOT OF, UH, RESILIENCY EFFORTS, UNDERSTANDING HOW BUILDINGS RESPOND TO CLIMATE CHANGE. AND, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERY, AND, AND MANY OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE DESIGNATED ALREADY HAVE THIS DISTINCTION ARE, ARE ALSO GOING TO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. IT'S NOT THAT THIS IS, I I CONSIDER THIS TO BE MORE KIND OF AN ELEVATION OF A MOMENT IN, IN MIAMI BEACH'S HISTORY RATHER THAN A, LIKE A, A BALL AND CHAIN ON THE BUILDING. SO, YES, GO AHEAD. SO I JUST WANNA RESPOND TO THAT. AND I, AND I THINK, UM, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE CONCERNS I HAVE NO ONE'S HERE ASKING US TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE NO ONE'S SAYING DON'T PRESERVE IT. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT WE DESIGNATE IT INDIVIDUALLY. AND I MEAN, I LITERALLY WROTE THIS DOWN IN QUOTES, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS SAID, THIS WILL TIE THE HANDS OF FUTURE PEOPLE. SO YOU SAID, DON'T LOOK AT IT AS A SHACKLE, BUT THAT'S WHAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC EXPECTS THIS TO BE. AND SO THAT, THAT, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF MY CONCERN. RIGHT. RIGHT. UM, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO LOOK AT THIS AT, AT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. LET'S JUST SAY WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. WE'RE VOTING ON THE ABILITY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS BUILDING. WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THIS BUILDING BEING PRESERVED IN, IN, YOU KNOW, ASPECT FOREVER. YES AND NO. I MEAN, LOOKING BACK AT PRIOR INSTANCES OF WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT DESIGNATED BUILDINGS, WHETHER CONTRIBUTING OR WHETHER, UM, DESIGN OF THEM AS INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC SITES, I, I FEEL LIKE YOU HAD MORE INFORMATION AT THIS STAGE. UH, YOU KNOW, AND BECAUSE BY THE TIME THE REPORT IS PREPARED, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, HERE'S THE REPORT, GIVE US A THUMBS UP. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UM, SO I, I HONESTLY HOPED I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WE'VE CONTINUED THIS. I WASN'T HERE LAST TIME. I'VE WATCHED IT. I HOPED TO GET MORE INFORMATION TODAY, WHICH I THINK WAS WHAT WAS ASKED BY THE BOARD MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT HASN'T BEEN PRESENTED. SO, BUT WE HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, EACH OF US, TO VISIT THE BUILDING. AND I SAY THAT WAS A REAL EYE-OPENER FOR ME. I HAD NEVER BEEN TO THE BUILDING. I'D NEVER SEEN THAT MANY OF THE INTERIORS ARE REALLY WELL PRESERVED. I MEAN, SADLY, YOU KNOW, NEGLECT IS A GREAT PRES PRESERVER. SO IT WAS A, UM, MANY, I WAS REALLY SURPRISED BY HOW THE BUILDING HAD BEEN, UM, KEPT IN ITS ORIGINAL, IN ITS CONFIGURATION AFTER THE AUDITORIUM SPACE WAS PUT, WAS ADDED, AND UM, WAS, YOU KNOW, IMPRESSED BY THE, THE LANDSCAPE, THE TREES, AND THE, THE, I THINK SOME OF THE ORIGINAL LANDSCAPE MAY STILL BE IN THERE. AND IT'S JUST A REMARKABLE BECAUSE THE PLANTERS IT HAS ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS WE'RE GONNA NEED TO SEE MORE OF IN OUR CITY. I'M NOT, I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS ARE GONNA [00:45:01] VOTE, VOTE THE WAY YOU FEEL YOU NEED TO DO, I JUST FOR THE, FOR THE RECORD, I JUST WANTED TO JUST SAY THAT I THINK THE BUILDING HAS A LOT OF MERITS TO IT, AND IT'S, UM, AND UM, MAYBE THIS WILL COME BACK, BUT, UM, YES. UH, DEBBIE, DID YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, REALLY QUICKLY PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. UM, THE FIRE STATION, THE NEW FIRE STATION CAME UP AS A QUESTION. UM, THE CITY IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN IN THE, UH, PRELIMINARY DESIGN PHASE CURRENTLY FOR THAT, UH, NEW FIRE STATION. THE SCHEDULE, WE ARE CURRENTLY ESTIMATING THAT THAT WOULD BE COMING BEFORE THE BOARD BY THE END OF THIS YEAR. SO THAT IS MOVING FORWARD. AND THERE WILL BE AN APPLICATION BEFORE THIS BOARD LIKELY, UM, AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, UM, THAT IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE STILL, UM, YOU KNOW, REVIEWING ALTERNATE SITES AND, AND HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF INVESTING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RESOURCES TO REDESIGN THE FIRE STATION FOR A NEW LOCATION. YES, DEBBIE, BUT WE ALREADY APPROVED THIS AS THE FIRE STATION. SO ANOTHER PLAN COMES THROUGH, WE COULD APPROVE FOR A FIRE STATION AND IT COULD BE SHOT DOWN AGAIN UNTIL THERE'S A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND AND THE FIRE STATION IS STARTED. I PERSONALLY CANNOT VOTE FOR ANYTHING ON THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE IS AN APPROVED PLAN FOR A FIRE STATION. AND UNTIL THERE IS A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND IN ANOTHER SITUATION, MY HANDS ARE TIED. OKAY. ELIZABETH, YOU'RE STILL RED. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY? SORRY. NO, NO. I WAS JUST GONNA ASK ABBY, IF, UH, WHAT ARE THE PLANS THE CITY PLANS TO IMPROVE OR INCREASE THE USE OF THE BUILDING? SO, CURRENTLY, UM, THE CITY IS, UM, I THINK PRETTY FAR ALONG IN THE PROCESS OF REESTABLISHING THE SENIOR LUNCH, UM, PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE. SO THAT, AGAIN, THAT WAS A PREVIOUS PROGRAM IN THE SPACE IT HAD LEFT. UM, BUT THAT IS IMMINENTLY BEING REESTABLISHED, SO THAT'S GREAT. UM, THAT ALSO HEARKENS BACK TO THE ORIGINAL USE OF THE SITE, WHICH WAS FOR OUR SENIOR COMMUNITY, UM, REALLY THE MOST VULNERABLE AND AT NEED, UM, POPULATION THAT WE HAD SPECIFICALLY IN THE 1970S. UM, BUT EVEN NOW WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING A, A LOT OF NEED IN THAT COMMUNITY. UM, THE DAYCARE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY IN THE SPACE IS, IS PROPOSED TO CONTINUE IN THAT SPACE. THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL, UM, OUTREACH COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UM, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO DISCUSS OTHER POSSIBLE USES. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SENIOR LUNCH IS A GREAT USE GIVEN THE VULNERABILITY OF THE SITE. THIS IS NOT GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, A A MUNICIPAL OFFICE THAT HAS A LOT OF TECHNICAL EQUIPMENT THAT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE RAISED. UM, EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, ENTIRELY SECURED. SO I, I DO THINK THE CITY IS CREATIVELY LOOKING AT PROGRAMMING. UM, THE, THE SPACE AND, UM, FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN, UH, ADVISED OF, ALL OF THESE USES ARE ACTUALLY, UH, QUITE CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WAS TO SERVE AS COMMUNITY FOR THE UNDERSERVED, UM, POPULATIONS IN OUR, IN OUR CITY. OKAY. SO A LOGISTICS QUESTION, 'CAUSE JUST, UH, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, THERE MIGHT NOT BE, UM, THE VOTES TO, TO PASS THIS, BUT, UM, DO YOU RECOMMEND A, A STRAW POLL OR DO YOU RECOMMEND A MO JUST TAKING A MOTION? UM, AND IF SO, WHERE, HOW WOULD THAT, UH, SO WE NEED, UH, FOUR, FOUR VOTES, VOTES OF THIS, UM, BOARD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGNATION REPORT. YOU COULD, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO EITHER DIRECT US TO, TO PREPARE THE REPORT OR NOT. UM, YOU COULD ALSO CONTINUE THE ITEM IF THERE IS SOME MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION YOU WOULD LIKE US TO BRING BACK. GO AHEAD, NICK. YOU, YOU ALSO HAVE A, A THIRD OPTION, WHICH WOULD BE TO VOTE NOT TO DIRECT STAFF TO PROCEED WITH THE FORMAL DESIGNATION. SO THIS IS JUST TO, JUST TO FRAME THIS, UM, THE, THE, THE ITEM IS BEFORE YOU ON A, ON A PRELIMINARY EVALUATION. THIS IS NOT THE, UH, THE FORMAL QUA A JUDICIAL, UH, HEARING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE HPB TO, TO APPROVE THE DESIGNATION, UM, SUBJECT TO FURTHER ACTION BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND CITY COMMISSION. THIS IS THAT INITIAL STEP OF DO WE WANT TO SCHEDULE THE FORMAL, UH, UH, DESIGNATION FOR, FOR HEARING IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO, UM, SO YOU, AS YOUR THREE OPTIONS ARE TO, TO, [00:50:01] TO VOTE TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE THE FORMAL REPORT AND SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, YOU COULD, IF YOU, IF YOU, UH, WANTED SPECIFIC INFORMATION AS DEBBIE, UM, AS DEBBIE LAID OUT, YOU COULD CONTINUE THIS WITH SPECIFIC DIRECTION OR YOU COULD TAKE A VOTE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FORMAL REPORT. CAN I ASK THE QUESTION? YES, PLEASE. ASK QUESTIONS. UH, NICK, SO THAT FORMAL REPORT, WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE ABILITY TO RESTORE THE BUILDING? LIKE DEBBIE SAID, THAT WE ARE NOT SURE IF IT COULD BE RESTORED, ITS ORIGINAL SHOP SHAPE AND FORM, OR THAT REPORT WOULD NOT GO TO THAT LENGTH. I, I THINK THE REPORT WOULD DO A, UM, A COMPLETE ANALYSIS OF, OF WHETHER THE, THE STRUCTURE MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR, FOR DESIGNATION. UM, DEBBIE, I WOULD DEFER TO YOU ON WHETHER THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE ABILITY TO FULLY RESTORE THE EXISTING BUILDING. UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CERTAINLY EXPLORE, UH, WITH OUR, UH, FACILITIES MANAGEMENT AND, AND POTENTIALLY OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS OFFICE TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE FEASIBILITY IS. UM, I DO, I DID JUST GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROGRAMMING. SO I THINK CURRENTLY WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT A, A DAY CAMP FOR CHILDREN IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SOME ADDITIONAL SERVICE-BASED USES, UM, FOR, FOR CHILDREN AND WOMEN. UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLAN WOULD BE FOR RENOVATION OF THE BUILDING. UM, WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THESE AREAS WOULD NEED TO BE RENOVATED BEFORE THESE NEW USES, UH, GO IN. I WOULD ASSUME THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME RENOVATION. UM, SO BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN WE PREPARE THE DESIGNATION REPORT, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE, UM, BECAUSE THOSE, THOSE USES ARE IMMINENTLY GOING TO BE OCCUPYING THE BUILDING, I THINK BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME WE BROUGHT THE FORMAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION REPORT, WE WOULD HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, POTENTIAL RENOVATION OF THE BUILDING AND WHAT COULD BE DONE TO, TO RESTORE CERTAIN COMPONENTS OF THE BUILDING. AND I I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, IF, IF THIS BOARD, UM, UH, DETERMINES THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ASK STAFF TO CONTINUE WITH THE DESIGNATION REPORT, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE COMMISSION TO SEND THIS BACK TO US WHEN MAYBE WHEN WE'RE A FULL BOARD AGAIN? OR IS IT, DOES THAT MEAN THAT IF YOU SAID IT'S NOT IN IT IS POSSIBLE? I THINK NICK GI YEAH. , BECAUSE IT, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF IT WERE A, A SEMI JUDICIAL DECISION, UM, THAT WAS DECIDED. IT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IT'S DEBBIE. IS THERE A, A WAITING PERIOD IF, UM, FOR, FOR FOR AN ORDER FOR AN INDIVIDUAL APPROVAL? YEAH. AND THIS IS, I THINK THAT THAT WAITING PERIOD ONLY APPLIES TO THE DENIAL, UH, WITH PREJUDICE OF, OF AN APPLICATION OR THE DENIAL OF AN ORDINANCE TEXT AMENDMENT, UM, BY THE CITY COMMISSION. MM-HMM . AND, AND THIS IS NEITHER OF THOSE, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY EVALUATION, SO I DO BELIEVE IT, IT COULD, YOU KNOW, BE RE-REFERRED, UM, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE AND WE COULD DISCUSS IT AGAIN. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, OR WE COULD CONTINUE THE APPLICATION, BUT WE'D HAVE, WE'D HAVE TO CONTINUE IT WITH, UM, WITH RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHAT WE NEED TO SEE, UH, BEFORE IT'S, YEAH. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO GO AHEAD. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S A SECOND. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO NOT MOVE THIS, UH, DESIGNATION REPORT FORWARD AT THIS TIME. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY. UM, LET ME SEE. LET ME CALL THE ROLE, UH, MS. CAMARGO NO, MS LEVEL. THE MOTION AGAIN IS WHAT THE MOTION IS TO, UH, IS TO, IS TO DENY IT. WELL, THE MOTION IS NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A FORMAL DESIGNATION, SO A AT THIS TIME, A AT AT THIS TIME. SO A YES VOTE MEANS DO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH FORMAL DESIGNATION WITH ASKING THE REPORT. SO THEN WE CAN HOLD A, I MEAN IT THE, THIS WHERE WE STEP ONE, STEP TWO, I FORGET WHAT IT'S CALLED THE RIGHT NOW, THE BOARD. YEAH. WE'RE AT STEP TWO IS ON A PRELIMINARY EVALUATION [00:55:01] REPORT. THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A FORMAL DESIGNATION REPORT. THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FORMAL DESIGNATION REPORT. I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT WE NOW HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND I'VE BEEN ASKED TO VOTE ON THIS, SO YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. WE CAN'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE DISCUSS. WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROLL CALL, RIGHT? YEAH. UM, NO. MR. MEYER? YES, MR. STEWART. I THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD ASK YOU TO DESIGNATE IT. SO I'M SAYING NO, IT, IT'S JUST WEIRD. IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE 'CAUSE YOU SAY NO TO SAY YES, BUT, OKAY. SO TECHNICALLY THAT MOTION FAILED. THE MOTION FAILED. NO, THAT YOU HAVEN'T ASKED ME YET. OH, MR. BRESLIN. YES. SORRY. SO YOU HAVE THREE NO'S, TWO YESES. SO DID WE FINISH THE ROLL CALL? YES. YES. YEP. SO THREE MEMBERS VOTED AGAINST THE MOTION, MOTION, THE MOTION, WHICH WAS TO SAY NO, THE, THE MOTION FAILS. OKAY. CAN I ASK A QUE I HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. OKAY, PERFECT. TIME FOR, FOR A QUESTION. . UM, SO I'M, I'M WORKING THROUGH THIS, UM, TALKED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS COULD BE BROUGHT BACK BEFORE AT THIS STAGE, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING, UM, WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING? I, I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IF, IF WE APPROVE THIS FULL BOARD OR NOT. UM, IF WE, IF IT ISN'T APPROVED AT THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING, THEN WHAT I, I, 'CAUSE LAST TIME I THINK SOMEONE ASKED IF THERE WAS A ROOM FOR APPEAL FROM THIS DECISION, AND I THINK THE ANSWER WAS NO. BUT FROM THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING, IS IT, IS IT AN APPEALS PROCESS? OR LIKE WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THE BOARD VOTED, IT VOTED AGAINST IT. IF THE BOARD, UM, IF THE BOARD VOTES TODAY TO HOLD TO, TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE THE FORMAL DESIGNATION REPORT AND THE, THE, UH, UH, A FORMAL DESIGNATION HEARING IS SCHEDULED, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A 30 DAY MAIL NOTICE POSTING AND, AND, AND, UH, AND NEWSPAPER ONLINE NOTICE. UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT IS, IS THE QUESTION AFTER THAT HEARING, IF THE HPB DENIES THE DESIGNATION REQUEST, THEN THE, THE DESIGNATION COULD NOT MOVE FORWARD ON DESIGNATIONS. UM, YOU ARE NOT ADVISORY, YOUR APPROVAL IS REQUIRED FOR THE DESIGNATION TO PROCEED. BUT NORMALLY IF AN APPLICANT SOUGHT A DECISION FROM US AND WE MADE A DECISION, THEY WOULD HAVE AN APPEALS PROCESS. WOULD THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE THE CITY, HAVE AN APPEALS PROCESS? SHOULD THIS BOARD CHOOSE NOT TO? I MEAN, NORMALLY THAT WOULD GO TO COMMISSION. SO I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? I I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE PRACTICAL REALITY OF ALL THIS. IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UM, AND IF THE BOARD VOTES TODAY TO SCHEDULE THE FORMAL DESIGNATION HEARING, UM, WE CAN, WE WILL LOOK AT THAT IN ADVANCE OF THE FORMAL DESIGNATION HEARING. OKAY. SO, UM, ANY ADVICE ON, ON WHERE TO GO FROM HERE? UH, YOU COULD CONSIDER, UM, YOU COULD ENTERTAIN MR. CHAIRMAN A A DIFFERENT MOTION. YES. IT COULD EITHER BE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A FORMAL DESIGNATION REPORT. IT COULD BE A MOTION TO CONTINUE, UH, WITH A REQUEST FOR MORE INFORMATION. AND I WOULD, IF THAT IS WHERE THE BOARD IS HEADING, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. EXACTLY. SO ANY MOTION, WE NEED THE FOUR YES VOTES, CORRECT. THREE, THREE, NO, FOUR. FOUR, I BELIEVE TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A FORMAL DESIGNATION REPORT. YOU NEED FOUR AFFIRMATIVE VOTES. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK WE'RE STUCK. BUT DO YOU WANNA TRY IT ? UH, AND WHAT IF YOU'RE STUCK, NICK, AND WITH A, WITH A SHORT BOARD, YOU'RE STUCK. YOU CAN'T GET FOUR VOTES. UM, IS THERE A, IS THERE A KIND OF DEFAULT THAT THE, THAT THE ITEM IS JUST DEFERRED? WHAT I, WITHOUT, WITHOUT INSTRUCTIONS, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, UM, I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IF THERE IS A BOARD MEMBER LYDE TO MAKE A MOTION, LET'S, LET'S, UM, LET'S, LET'S HEAR THAT MOTION, SEE IF THERE'S A SECOND. AND THEN WE WILL, WE WILL, WE WILL TAKE THIS ONE STEP AT A TIME. CONTINUE WAITING FOR A FULL BOARD. THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING. BUT [01:00:01] I, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING ADDITIONAL. YOU'RE JUST ASKING FOR A FULL BOARD. THAT'S POSSIBLE. I, I WASN'T SURE WHETHER THAT'S POSSIBLE. I THINK, I THINK IF IT'S, DID YOU HEAR WHAT RAY'S REQUEST WAS? I'M SORRY. NO, I DID NOT. , WOULD YOU LIKE TO? YES. OKAY. IT'S, UH, HE WAS WONDERING WHETHER THE, WHETHER THE CON WE COULD CONTINUE THIS UNTIL WE HAVE A FULL BOARD AND, AND WITH, SO THAT'S NOT GOING WITH ANY OF THE OPTIONS YOU HAD. 'CAUSE YOUR CONTINUING OPTION WAS WITH, WITH SPECIFIC, NEEDING MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION. I GUESS THE SPECIFIC INFORMATION WOULD BE WHO'S ON, LIKE, WHO ARE THE, THE BOARD MEMBERS? I THINK YOU CAN CONTINUE, YOU COULD CONTINUE THE, UM, THE, THE DISCUSSION TO, UM, TO, TO THE NEXT MONTH'S MEETING. UH, THE, THE CITY COMMISSION, UH, WILL BE, WILL BE MEETING, UH, TOMORROW MM-HMM . SO AN APPOINTMENT COULD BE MADE TOMORROW FOR ONE OF THE, THE TWO VACANCIES THAT, THAT THE, UH, THAT ARE, THAT, THAT CURRENTLY EXIST. OKAY. SO IF YOU WANTED TO, TO WAIT UNTIL YOU HAD, UM, UH, A, A FULLY CONSTITUTED BOARD, I THINK THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S APPROPRIATE. THAT'S APPROPRIATE. YES. LINDSAY. SO I, I WANNA SEE TWO THINGS HERE. UM, ONE, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING. I WAS LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, INDIVIDUALLY DESIGNATED SITES. AND TYPICALLY IT'S A UNANIMOUS VOTE THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEND IT TO BE TO, TO, TO FOUR DESIGNATION, OR SORRY, FROM THIS STAGE, FROM STATE STEP TWO TO STEP THREE, IT'S TYPICALLY UNANIMOUS. AND, AND CLEARLY WE'RE DIVIDED THERE. AND I UNDERSTAND WHY AND, AND I GET IT. UM, FOR ME, UM, TO MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, UM, AND BASED ON WHAT NICK HAS TOLD ME, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REPORT WOULD PROVIDE US WITH INFORMATION, UM, AND THAT WOULD MOVE US TO SOME FINALITY. WHEREAS I AM CONCERNED IF WE CONTINUE THIS, WE'RE KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD IF WE, UM, IF WE, IF WE VOTE NO TODAY, UH, RAY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, AND WHAT MY, MY STRUGGLE WITH NOT SUPPORTING YOUR MOTION DOESN'T NECESSARILY, IT'S NOT ON THE MERITS OF LIKE THE APPLICATION ITSELF, BUT ON DOES THAT JUST SHIFT IT DOWN TO THEN IT'S BROUGHT BACK BEFORE US AGAIN NEXT MONTH OR THE MONTH AFTER THAT OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT? BECAUSE AS DEBBIE SAID, THE TIMEFRAME, UM, FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S KICKING CAN DOWN THE ROAD, WHEREAS THE DECISION ON THE REPORT ITSELF, UM, WOULD BE A FINAL DECISION. AND SO THAT'S THE STRUGGLE THAT I HAVE. MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS BUILDING IS, YOU KNOW, A PREVIOUS HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, WHICH I WAS ON, APPROVED A FIREHOUSE IN THIS LOCATION. THE CITY SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE PLAN AND EVERYTHING. AND A YEAR LATER, ALL OF A SUDDEN A COMMISSIONER SAYS, OH, WAIT A SECOND, WE DON'T WANT A FIRE STATION THERE. LET'S TRY AND, AND MAKE IT A HISTORIC BUILDING AND BUILD A FIRE STATION SOMEPLACE ELSE. THE FIRE STATION WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2017 AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S REALLY GONNA GO UNTIL A SHOVEL GOES IN THE GROUND. 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE UN UPSET WITH WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY GONNA GO OVERLOOKING THE, THE TRACK, UH, UH, IN FLAMINGO PARK. SO TO ME, THIS LOCATION IS STILL A VIABLE OPTION. AND I CAN'T VOTE FOR ANYTHING RELATIVE TO THIS BUILDING UNTIL A FIRE STATION IS BUILT. I DON'T CARE HOW LONG IT TAKES. I DON'T CARE HOW MANY MORE TIMES PEOPLE COME TO THE BOARD. MY VOTE WILL ALWAYS BE NO UNTIL SOMETHING IS DONE. BECAUSE WE AT IS THE TAXPAYERS HAVE SPENT AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF MONEY ALREADY AND WE DON'T HAVE A FIRE STATION. SO UNTIL WE DO, THIS BUILDING IS STILL ON THE, ON, ON THE TABLE. SO I'M I'M WITH YOU ON THAT. UM, I GET THAT. MY POINT IS, IS THAT IF WE VOTE FOR THEM TO BRING US BACK A REPORT, YOU COULD VOTE NO. AT THAT POINT. IT'S SPENDING MORE POINT MONEY AND, AND, AND RIGHT NOW IT'S PROTECTED ALREADY IT'S PROTECTED IN, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S IN. IT'S IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT'S GOT AS MUCH PROTECTION AS THE BAS MUSEUM HAS. RIGHT. AND, AND YOU KNOW, TO ME IT DOESN'T NEED ANYMORE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. OKAY. AND THAT'S THE REASON I MADE THE MOTION THAT I MADE. RIGHT. OKAY. LINDSAY, DID THAT HELP YOU AT ALL? DO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION OR TO HELP US MOVE FORWARD? UM, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN MAKE A MOTION THAT'S GONNA HELP US MOVE FORWARD. THAT'S THE STRUGGLE. WELL, THE, THERE'S A MOTION THAT WE COULD DO, AND RAY SAID HE WOULD BE AMENABLE TO IT. THAT'S TO CONTINUE UNTIL WE HAVE A FULLER BOARD WHERE WE HAVE MORE VOICES AT THE TABLE TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM. I, I THINK WE'RE SUFFERING FROM BEING A SHORTBOARD AND A AND DIVIDED OPINION. I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY MOTION THAT WILL MOVE US FORWARD. THE WHAT? THAT WE WILL MOVE US FORWARD. [01:05:01] OKAY. I THINK THAT'S, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THE ITEM FORWARD UNTIL WE HAVE A FULL BOARD TO CONTINUE IT. UNTIL WE HAVE TO CONTINUE UNTIL WE HAVE A FULL BOARD. AND NICK, THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. SO THIS WOULD BE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PRELIMINARY EVALUATION. UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND INCLUDING A DATE, CERTAIN IN YOUR MOTION. UM, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, WE HAVE TWO SEATS THAT ARE CURRENTLY VACANT. THERE ARE ON TOMORROW'S COMMISSION AGENDA, AT LEAST ONE SEAT UP FOR POTENTIAL REAPPOINTMENT. I THINK MORE LIKELY, UH, YOU KNOW, TO FILL THE TWO SEATS, IT WOULD LIKELY BE AT THE MAY MM-HMM . COMMISSION MEETING. UM, I CAN'T SAY THAT FOR SURE, BUT I WOULD THINK THE SAFER ROUTE WOULD BE TO CONTINUE IT UNTIL AFTER THE MAY CITY COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH WOULD THEN BE OUR JUNE 17TH MM-HMM . UM, HPV MEETING. AND HERE'S MY QUESTION, TALKING ABOUT KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. I HONESTLY WOULD RATHER CONTINUE IT TO MAY, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE AN EXTRA PERSON ON HERE AND, AND THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE TO DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, THEN THAT MOVES US TO TOWARDS FINALITY. NO, BECAUSE IF THAT ONE PERSON SAYS NO, WE'LL BE THREE AND THREE. NOT NECESSARILY SOMEONE COULD CHANGE THEIR VOTE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. THAT'S THE POINT. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. BUT WE MAYBE POTENTIALLY BE STILL STUCK. SO I MEAN, THEN WE'RE STILL STUCK AND WE MOVE IT TO JUNE. UH, THAT'S MY POINT. WE, WE COULD BE STUCK, BUT I THINK WE'D BE STUCK WITH A FULL, IF WE WERE STUCK WITH A FULL BOARD, WE'D HAVE A MORE COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT, OF WHERE WE STAND AND WHERE THE NEW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FAIR. NO, I WAS JUST SAYING, BUT WE CONTINUE IT TO, MAY WE HEAR IT, UH, YOU KNOW, AND IF, IF WE'RE STUCK, MAY, JUNE, UH, YOU, DID YOU SAY, UH, DID YOU SAY DATE? OH, DEBBIE WAS, WERE YOU ACCEPTING DEBBIE'S DATE? I THINK JUNE IS A SAFE ONE. ANOTHER MONTH WON'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. AND WE DON'T HAVE THREE VISITS. E EITHER ONE IS FINE. OKAY. UM, MAY OR JUNE 17TH. BUT, AND IF YOU WANT A FULL BOARD, I THINK WE'RE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE THAT AT THE JUNE MEETING. NO, I, I JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING. YEAH. YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS THERE. IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM. IF THIS CITY HAS SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ALREADY DEVELOPING PLANS FOR A FIRE STATION AT THIS LOCATION. NOW WE'VE GONE AHEAD AND SPENT ANOTHER $500,000 ON A CONSULTANT TO TELL US WHETHER IT'S FEASIBLE TO BUILD A FIRE STATION AT FLAMINGO PARK. WHERE TO ME, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY, IT IS NOT. WHY ARE WE CONTINUING THIS ITEM, ASKING THE CITY TO ALLOCATE MORE RESOURCES TO DOING MORE STUDIES WHEN AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE COULD GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN. WHAT, SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AGO? IS THAT WHAT IT IS? NO. MORE LIKE 10 AND JUST PUT IT TO BED. THANK YOU, HASKELL. I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION. MINE IS TO GET US OUT OF THIS ITEM THIS MORNING BY, BY TIME CERTAIN, WHICH DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND I, I APOLOGIZE TO ALL OF YOU WHO ARE HERE. SO, UM, THIS IS ONE WAY TO DO IT. IT'S ONE WAY FOR US TO JUST GET OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR DEADLOCK THAT WE WILL NOT OTHERWISE BE ABLE TO LEAVE. AND THERE'S A MOTION, UH, ON THE, ON THE TABLE TO CONTINUE IT UNTIL JUNE WITH NO FURTHER INFORMATION. SO NO FURTHER RESEARCH ON THE PART OF THE, THE STAFF, UM, UNTIL WE HAVE A FULL BOARD. AND THERE'S, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WILL BE A SECOND TO THAT, BUT, SO I'M JUST GONNA REVIEW THE PLEASE THE MOTIONS. SO MY MOTIONS TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO THE JUNE MEETING, AND NO FURTHER STUDIES OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ARE REQUIRED. IS THERE A SECOND ? NO. IS THERE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OR AN UNFRIENDLY AMENDMENT? WITHOUT A SECOND? THIS WAS YOUR RAY. I THOUGHT THIS WAS YOUR IDEA TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A FULL BOARD IDEA. I KNOW YOUR, I KNOW YOUR IDEA. YEAH. , IT'S SORT OF SAD IF WE'RE GONNA BE DEADLOCKED ON THIS FOR THE REST OF THE DAY. UM, LINDSAY, DID YOU HAVE, UM, A, A SUGGESTION? WOULD YOU VOTE FOR IT IF IT WERE MAY I, I MEAN, THAT WAS MY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, THAT IT'D BE MAY SO THAT WE, I MEAN, MOVE THIS. SO MY, AGAIN, I GO BACK TO MY POINT IS TO BRING IT TO A FINALITY, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. UM, AND, AND WE CAN'T GET THERE IF WE'RE JUST RIGHT DELAYING. UM, SO YOU WOULD, ELIZABETH, WOULD YOU ACCEPT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO MAY INSTEAD OF JUNE? YEAH, THEY MIGHT. I DON'T KNOW. WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL VOTE. AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE A VOTE. YEAH. SO I WILL ACCEPT THE MEANS, THIS FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO MEET, TO MOVE TO THE, UH, MAY MEETING, TO PUSH, TO PUSH THIS DOWN TO JUST WAIT. SO WE CAN GET OUT OF THIS FOR NOW WITHOUT FURTHER [01:10:02] WORK. UH, DI SO WE HAVE A SECOND, A FIRST AND A SECOND. DID YOU SECOND IT? OKAY. YES, I WOULD SECOND IT WITH THE FAMILY MINUTE. I'M SORRY, THAT WAS REALLY LOUD. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO BE CLEAR ON A MOTION TO CONTINUE. YES. YOU ONLY NEED A MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS PRESENT, SO THAT WOULD BE THREE VOTES. OKAY. PERFECT. YES, WE SHOULD DO A ROLL CALL SO WE CAN MOVE ON. DO A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. PLEASE. OKAY. UH, MR. MEYER? NO. MR. BRESLIN? YES. MS. LOVELL? YES. MS. CAR. MARGO? YES. MR. STEWART? YES. OKAY. THE APPLICATION HAS CONTINUED TO THE MAY 13TH MEETING. OKAY. UM, MICHAEL, DO YOU NEED TO RUN THIS OR CAN THIS, CAN YOU MOVE THIS OVER THERE, OR DO I NEED TO SIT THERE? UM, MOVE THIS HERE. UM, OKAY. LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT APPLICATION. [3. HPB24-0638, 1210 Michigan Avenue. [ Time Certain of 10 a.m. or shortly after ]  ] UH, WE'RE A FEW MINUTES BEHIND SCHEDULE. THIS IS HPB 24 0 6 3 8 12 10. MICHIGAN AVENUE AND APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME. UM, THIS IS A PARTICULAR, UH, ONE OF OUR FEW, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, UH, AREAS LOCATED WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING WITHIN THE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1940, UH, AND DESIGNED BY ARCHITECT ALBERT ANNIS. UM, YOU KNOW, DURING OUR INITIAL MEETINGS WITH STAFF, WE, WE DID EXPRESS SOME, UH, SERIOUS CONCERN REGARDING THE DEMOLITION OF A BUILDING THAT WHILE HAS, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN, HAD SOME MINOR ALTERATIONS AND HAS BEEN ADDED ONTO OVER THE YEARS, UM, REMAINS SUBSTANTIALLY INTACT FROM ITS ORIGINAL DESIGN. UM, AFTER, UH, DISCUSSING THIS AT LENGTH WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, SUBMITTED A, UH, STRUCTURAL CONDITION ASSESSMENT REPORT. UM, THIS WAS A, A RATHER EYE-OPENING AND ALARMING REPORT AS IT DID CONCLUDE. UM, YUSEF HASHIM, UH, STRUCTURAL ENGINEER CONCLUDED IT IS AN IMMINENT DANGER OF COLLAPSE AS IT LACKS ANY LATERAL SUPPORT, PROPER DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION WHEN PORTIONS OF IT WERE CONSTRUCTED. SO THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY AN ISSUE OF, OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT, UM, RATHER THAN A, AN ISSUE OF THE BUILDING'S INITIAL CONSTRUCTION, UM, IS, IS IN PART CAUSING THE SEVERE OR STRUCTURAL DETERIORATION OF THE BUILDING. IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT THE CURRENT, UH, DECAY CONDITIONS OF THE STRUCTURAL MEMBER DEEM IT UNSTABLE TO SUPPORT LATERAL, UH, TO SUPPORT LOAD CONDITIONS OF ITS CURRENT PERMITTED USE. UM, AT THAT POINT, UM, STAFF DID ACCEPT THOSE FINDINGS. UH, WE, UH, REVIEWED ALL OF THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING REPORTS. WE, UM, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL, UH, LIFE SAFETY ISSUES OF RETAINING THE EXISTING HOUSE. UM, SO WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUEST FOR TOTAL DEMOLITION. UH, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE TO RETAIN AND RESTORE THE HOUSE, UH, EVEN A PORTION OF THE HOME, UH, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RECONSTRUCTION WOULD BE REQUIRED. UM, THAT WOULD, UH, LEAVE PRACTICALLY NO ORIGINAL MATERIALS. UM, STAFF IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE RECONSTRUCTION. WE DO NOT BELIEVE, UM, AN ACCURATE RECONSTRUCTION WOULD BE POSSIBLE DUE TO, UM, THE HOME BEING NEARLY FOUR FEET BELOW THE REQUIRED, UM, BASE FLOOD ELEVATION. UM, SECOND, UH, MIAMI BEACH DOES HAVE A RICH EVOLUTION OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES. UH, WE [01:15:01] DO BELIEVE THAT A NEW CONTEMPORARY HOME IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE. UM, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED CONTEMPORARY DESIGN LANGUAGE OF THE NEW HOME. UM, SPECIFICALLY, WE, UH, WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO ENSURE THAT THE MASSING OF THE HOME WAS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, UM, AND THAT REQUIRED A SIGNIFICANT FRONT YARD SETBACK. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY'RE ALL SETBACK APPROXIMATELY 50 FEET, WHICH IS, UM, BETWEEN, UH, 20 AND 30 FEET MORE SETBACK THAN IS ACTUALLY REQUIRED. THE INITIAL DESIGN CONCEPTS WE SAW HAD THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME COMING MUCH FURTHER TO THE STREET. UM, AND SO WE WANT TO, UH, CONGRATULATE THE ARCHITECT FOR REALLY UNDERSTANDING HOW IMPORTANT THAT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THIS HOME, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS, AND FOR SETTING THE BACK, UM, SIGNIFICANT SETTING THE THE HOME BACK SIGNIFICANTLY. AND ALSO BREAKING UP, UH, THE MASSING. THEY, THE MASSING DOES TAKE INSPIRATION FROM THE HISTORICAL, UH, HOME AND THE MASSING OF THE HISTORICAL HOME WITH A, UH, LOWER PORTION, UM, TOWARD THE STREET AND A, A SETBACK OF FURTHER SETBACK FOR THE TALLER PORTION OF THE HOME. UM, STAFF WOULD NOTE THAT THIS IS CURRENTLY, UM, BEING PROPOSED AS AN UNDERSTORY. HOME. UNDERSTORY HOMES ARE PERMITTED WITHIN ALL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS, UM, AND HAS A, A MUCH MORE RESILIENT DESIGN, UM, THAN SOME OF THE ELEVATED, UH, YARD ELEVATED HOMES. AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE UNDERSTORY, UM, WILL BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO ITS ADJACENT NEIGHBORS AS THE YARD WILL NOT NEED TO BE RAISED NEARLY AS HIGH. UM, WHICH WOULD, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY HELP, UH, RUNOFF WATER RUNOFF. STEPH DOES HAVE A, A FEW CONCERNS, UH, REGARDING THE DESIGN OF THE HOME, PARTICULARLY ALONG THE, UH, SIDE ELEVATION FACING, UH, THE PARK. UM, WE WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT TO BREAK THIS UP A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, ESPECIALLY THE PORTION THAT PROJECTS WITHIN THAT 50 FOOT SETBACK. UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS OF HOW THAT COULD BE DONE. UH, THE APPLICANT, I BELIEVE, HAS REVIEWED THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND DID SEND STAFF, UM, AN ALTERNATE CONCEPT, UH, WHICH WE WERE ABLE TO QUICKLY REVIEW YESTERDAY. WE DO BELIEVE THIS SATISFIES STAFF'S CONDITIONS OR RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, UM, AND ARE GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, AND THAT I THINK WILL BE PART OF THEIR PRESENTATION TODAY. UM, I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DEBBIE ON THE APPLICATION? NO. NO. OKAY. UM, WELL, WELCOME. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBER STAFF MICHAEL LARKIN, 200 SOUTHEAST KING BOULEVARD HERE REPRESENTING ANDREW MELLI, THE APPLICANT. UH, CAN YOU PULL THE PRESENTATION PLEASE? SURE. SIT UP YET? NO. ONE SECOND. I DON'T HAVE ANY GOOD JOKES. SO, MICHAEL, YOU'RE USUALLY REALLY GOOD IN THESE MOMENTS, . OKAY. UH, NEXT SLIDE. SO, AGAIN, I'M HERE REPRESENTING ANDREW MELLI, THE OWNER. I'M WITH THE ARCHITECT, RALPH CHOUF, OUR LAND ARCHITECT, CHRIS CALLIE, OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, YUSEF HACKER, AND MY COLLEAGUE, UM, MICHAEL OPOLIS. NEXT SLIDE. SO, AS YOU ALL CAN SEE, THE HOME IS SITUATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF MICHIGAN AVENUE AND 12TH STREET, IMMEDIATELY WEST OF FLAMINGO PARK. NEXT SLIDE. AND AS YOU CAN ALSO SEE, THESE PHOTOS ARE TAKEN OF DIFFERENT, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, DEBBIE'S, RIGHT? UH, THERE AREN'T MANY SINGLE FAMILY HOME DISTRICTS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S PALM VIEW, THERE'S THIS ONE, AND THERE'S ALTOS TEL MAR, UH, NEXT SLIDE. WE ARE HERE TODAY REQUESTING APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION AND DESIGN. NEXT SLIDE. ORIGINALLY BUILT IN 1940, ARCTIC WAS ALBERT ANIS. IT'S, THERE WAS A ONE STORY ADDITION ADDED TO THE HOME WITH A FLAT ROOF IN 1982. THE ADDITION REQUIRED THE DEMOLITION, A RECONFIGURATION OF THE TWO REAR CORNER WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, [01:20:01] ORIGINAL RESIDENCE. NEXT SLIDE, ANOTHER REVIEW OF IT. THE ONE STORY ADDITION WITH A FLAT ROOF, AGAIN, WAS ADDED IN 82. UM, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS MORE THAN AN 82 EDITION IS SHADED IN YELLOW, AND THE ORIGINAL RESIDENCE IS TO THE RIGHT. NEXT SLIDE. THIS ARE, THESE ARE CURRENT PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING HOME, ONE TAKEN FROM MICHIGAN AVENUE, THE OTHER FROM 12TH STREET. NEXT SLIDE. WITH REGARD TO THE STRUCTURAL ASSESSMENT, WE HAD TWO INDEPENDENT ENGINEERS ANALYZE THE HOME. CALC ENGINEERING EXPECTED THE HOME PROVIDED CONCRETE COMPRESSIVE STRENGTH TESTING USING CORE SAMPLES, DID A STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS AND CALCULATIONS, USES FIRM CONDUCTED A VISUAL INSPECTION OF THE HOME, EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR, AND ANALYZED THE PRIOR TESTING. BOTH ANALYSES REACHED THE SAME CONCLUSION. THE HOME DOES NOT COMPLY WITH CURRENT BUILDING CODES, WHICH IS NOT SO SURPRISING. BUT THE MORE ALARMING CONCLUSION IS THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY SEVERELY COMPROMISED AND BEYOND REPAIR. WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO YUSEF. HE IS GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH THE FINDINGS OF HIS REPORT. GOOD MORNING. UH, MY NAME IS YUSEF HASH. I'M STRUCTURAL ENGINEER 99 NORTHWEST 27TH AVENUE. UH, WE, UH, WE WENT AND INSPECTED THE PROPERTY. UH, UH, WHAT WE FOUND WAS ALARMING MORE THAN ANYTHING IS THE, THE, THE, THE LEVEL OF THE FIRST FLOOR IS SO MUCH BELOW FLOOD ELEVATION. AND THE, THE CONTINUOUS FLOODING OF THE CRAWL SPACE AND THE TOUCHING OF THE WATER TO THE, TO THE FRAMING OF THE HOUSE HAD DAMAGED IT. UH, THE STEM WALLS AND THE FOUNDATIONS, UH, ARE ALSO IN BAD SHAPE. AND YOU, WE SAW EVIDENCE OF CORROSION, EVIDENCE OF, UH, REBARS AND CONCRETE POLLING SHOWING UP. UM, SO WE, UH, WERE ASKED, UH, WELL, WHAT CAN WE DO TO THE HOUSE? CAN WE LIFT IT, UH, TO TRY TO SAVE IT? UH, GOING THROUGH THE ANALYSIS OF THE STRUCTURAL MEMBERS, UH, THE LACK OF REINFORCEMENTS AND THE MASONRY, UH, THE LACK OF STRAPPING ON THE FLOORS AND THE ROOFS, UH, WE DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE IN LIFTING THE HOUSE BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT WE WILL FURTHER DAMAGE THE STRUCTURE MORE THAN TRYING TO HELP IT BY ELEVATING IT. SO THAT'S WHY, UH, WE HAD RECOMMENDED THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, WE CANNOT REALLY DO ANY OF THAT. SO, RECOMMENDED DEMOLITION, GIVE IT BACK TO RALPH. GOOD MORNING, RALPH CHO, ARCHITECT CHO LEVY FISHMAN OFFICES IN MIAMI AND TAMPA. SO, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TWO THINGS. I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE HOUSE ITSELF, AND THEN I WANNA TALK ABOUT, UH, THE NEW PROPOSED DESIGN. AS FAR AS THE HOUSE ITSELF, THE REASON THE STRUCTURE IS SO DAMAGED RIGHT NOW, THIS RESIDENCE WAS BUILT WITH SPREAD FOOTINGS. THIS, UH, AREA AND ALL OF MIAMI BEACH ACTUALLY REQUIRES A DEEP FOUNDATION, WHICH IS PILING GRADE BEAM BECAUSE IT'S ON SPREAD FOOTINGS. THE HOUSE WAS SINKING AND SINKING, AND LATELY IT'S BEEN SINKING AT AN ALARMING RAKE. SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, IT'S ABOUT FOUR FEET BELOW THE, THE REQUIRED FEMA BASED FLOOD. AND BECAUSE IT'S FOUR FEET, EVERY TIME THERE'S A HEAVY RAIN, IT FLOODS INSIDE THE HOUSE. AND SO NOW YOU HAVE THESE, THE ISSUE OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE FLOOD, WHICH MAKES, UH, LIVING THERE ON TENABLE. THE RESIDENTS, UH, DID AN, AN EXTENSIVE RE RENOVATION IN THE 1990S, INCLUDING IMPACT RESISTANT WINDOWS AND SUCH. SO THE HOUSE HAS NOT BEEN UNDER NEGLECT AT ALL. THIS IS THE HOUSE THAT THE OWNER GREW UP IN, AND HE'D LIKE TO, UH, RE-INHABIT THIS LOCATION WITH THE NEW PROPOSED DESIGN. YOU CAN'T ADD, OR YOU CAN'T LIFT THIS HOUSE BECAUSE ARCHITECTURALLY, IF YOU HAVE THIS STYLE HOME ON STILTS, IT JUST DOESN'T GO. IT'S NOT THE TYPE OF HOME THAT WOULD WOULD DO THAT. SO WE'VE DESIGNED THIS, UH, RESIDENCE WITH A, WITH A NEW UNDERSTORY. AND WE SET THE RESIDENCE BACK 42 FEET FROM MICHIGAN AVENUE. THE ALLOWABLE SETBACK FOR ONE STORY IS 20 FEET, BUT WHEN WE MET WITH PLANNING, UM, UH, THEY WANTED US TO BE IN, IN SYNC WITH OUR HOMES NEXT DOOR AND THE ADJACENT RESIDENCES. SO WE SET BACK THE RESIDENCE 42 FEET FROM MICHIGAN. UM, WE THEN ADDED DESIGN FEATURES, UH, OF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE TO THE NEW DESIGN. FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE A STEP BACK DESIGN, IF WE CAN GO TO THE EXTERIOR RENDERINGS. THERE YOU GO. UH, WE HAVE A STEP BACK DESIGN, UH, ON MICHIGAN AVENUE, BRINGING THE TALLER, UH, PORTION, UH, BACK, UH, AWAY FROM MICHIGAN. AND THIS IS THE SAME EXACT DESIGN LANGUAGE THAT WAS USED BY THE EXISTING HOUSE. WE ALSO HAVE CORNER [01:25:01] WINDOWS. WE ADDED CORNER WINDOWS. WE ADDED MEDALLIONS, UH, TO THE BUILDING, WHICH WE ARE REMOVING OFF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE. UM, AND WE'RE ADDING TO IT, UM, AS WELL. THERE'S GONNA BE A NEW PLACARD, UH, MADE, UH, WITH THE, UH, ELEVATION OF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE, AND A BRIEF HISTORY THAT'S GONNA BE LOCATED IN, UM, IN THE, IN THE ENTRY GATE. UM, THE EXISTING RESIDENCE ALSO DOES NOT MEET TODAY'S STANDARDS FOR SETBACK, UH, DIMENSIONS. AND THE NEW RESIDENCE DOES, IT SETS BACK A LOT MORE THAN THE EXISTING RESIDENCE. UM, SO, UH, THIS IS, UH, A VIEW FROM, UH, 12TH, UH, STREET. AND YOU COULD SEE IT'S MOSTLY GLASS. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS TO LIGHTEN UP THE ELEVATION AND, UH, UH, LET IT PLAY WELL WITH THE, THE PARK ACROSS THE STREET. UM, I WANNA, I WANNA BRING UP, UH, SOMETHING ABOUT THE HEIGHT. UH, THERE'S A NEW CODE THAT, THAT THE REVISED CODE JUST CAME OUT. AND THE REVISED CODE STATES THAT THE FEMA BASED FLOOD, YOU TAKE THE, THE ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE MAXIMUM FROM FEMA BASED FLOOD, WHICH IS EIGHT IN THIS CASE, EIGHT FEET ABOVE MEAN SEA LEVEL. AND YOU CAN GO FIVE FEET ABOVE EIGHT. SO YOU TAKE YOUR, YOUR HEIGHTS FROM THERE. SO YOU TAKE YOUR HEIGHTS FROM PLUS 13 ABOVE MEAN SEA LEVEL. THE HEIGHT ALLOWED, THIS IS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE, UH, DESIGNATION IN RS, UH, FOUR. AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL HEIGHT OF ALL THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, THIS AREA IS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE. SO YOU'RE ALLOWED TO GO 31 FEET ABOVE THE FEMA PLUS FIVE. THAT PUTS US AT 44 FEET ABOVE MEAN SEA LEVEL. SO, UH, IT DOESN'T MEAN THE HOUSE IS 44 FEET TALL, IT JUST PUTS US AT 44 FEET ABOVE MEAN SEA LEVEL. THE WAY THIS RESIDENCE WAS DESIGNED, WE ARE AT 40.5 FEET ABOVE MEAN SEA LEVEL. SO WE ARE AT THREE AND A HALF FEET BELOW WHERE WE CAN TECHNICALLY BE. THE REASON FOR THE NEW CODE IS, UH, PLANNING, UH, VERY WISELY, UH, SAID, WELL, WE NEED UNDERSTORY HOMES. WE'RE GONNA ALLOW THEM IN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH, UH, BECAUSE, UH, OF GLOBAL WARMING AND THE FLOODING ISSUES THAT, UH, ARE OCCURRING HERE. SO THEY WANT THE UNDERSTORY TO BE USABLE UNDERST STORIES. THUS THEY RAISED THE HEIGHT THAT THESE, UH, RESIDENTS COULD BE. WE STUCK WITH THE OLD CODE ON THIS. AND SO NOW THE HEIGHT OF OUR UNDERSTORY IS ABOUT EIGHT FEET, UH, GRADE TO CEILING. AND THEN, UH, GRADE TO FINISH THE FIRST FLOOR IS 10 FEET. SO WE ARE LITERALLY THREE AND A HALF FEET BELOW WHERE WE CAN BE ON THIS RESIDENCE. SO I WANNA ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THAT IN THE UNDERSTORY UH, DISCUSSION. UH, BECAUSE THIS IS THE NEW WAVE OF MIAMI BEACH. UH, THESE WILL BE THE HISTORIC CONES IN THE FUTURE. UM, THIS IS BECAUSE OF, UH, WEATHER CONDITIONS, GLOBAL WARMING, AND THIS IS WHAT, UH, EXACTLY WHAT YOU'LL BE SEEING ALL AROUND. AGAIN, THIS AREA HAS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE HEIGHTS, UH, IN, UH, IN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH. UM, IN TODAY'S WORLD, WE CAN'T LIVE WITH EIGHT FOOT HIGH CEILINGS, SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT. SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MICHAEL. MICHAEL HAVE, HAVE I, AYE. SO I THINK THAT'S ALL. MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, I WOULD LIKE TO RESERVE SOME TIME FOR REBUTTAL AND HEAR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD. UH, GREAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, I WANNA KNOW IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT THEY PRESENTED, RIGHT? NO. NONE. NO, NONE, NO QUESTIONS. I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS, UH, FOR THE APPLICANTS. UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR, IT WAS QUITE A, IT, IT, IT'S A LOT TO COVER. AND, UM, UM, I JUST HAD A, A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW, HOW YOU GO ABOUT, UM, KIND OF DETERMINING THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY. MAYBE THIS IS A USE OF QUESTION, HOW YOU, LIKE, HOW DID YOU TEST, WHAT TEST DID YOU USE TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONCRETE STRENGTH THAT WAS MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY? THAT, THAT WAS, I'M SORRY. THAT WAS DONE BY THE OTHER ENGINEER. CALC ENGINEERING. THEY'VE DONE CONCRETE TEST COMPRESSION TESTING. THE COMPRESSION TESTING, THEY TOOK CORE SAMPLE, SENT THEM TO THE LAB, CUT COMPRESSION TESTING BACK. I JUST DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THAT IN THE, IN ANY OF THE, IT'S, IT'S IN THE APPENDIX OF THE, IT'S IN THE APPENDIX OF THE IT'S ALRIGHT. AND, UM, I WAS ALSO WONDERING HOW, YOU KNOW THIS, THAT THE SPREAD FOOTINGS ARE SINKING. I FIGURED THAT WAS SOMETHING YOU WOULD'VE DETECTED AS A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. YES. DID YOU, DO [01:30:01] LIDAR DETECT LIDAR MEASUREMENTS OR WHAT WERE THEY? RALPH MENTIONED THAT, YEAH. UH, YES. THERE, THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE, I, WE DIDN'T DO, WE DIDN'T DO LIDAR, BUT WHAT WE SAW, YOU SEE THE CRACKING IN THE WALLS WHEN YOU HAVE LADDER CRACKING RIGHT IN THE MASONRY WALLS, THAT'S INDICATIVE OF SETTLEMENT ON THE AND THE FOUNDATIONS. OKAY. AND THAT'S, HOW WAS IT? UH, SO IT WAS JUST UNEVEN SETTLEMENT RATHER THAN THE WHOLE BUILDING SINKING, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN A TOPIC THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IN TALL BUILDINGS. BUT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU NOTICE IT IN THIS BUILDING. I, I FOLLOW YOU ON THAT AND IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S PREFERABLE TO HAVE THE WHOLE STRUCTURE SETTLE AT THE SAME TIME. YES. BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T PUT YOU STRESS ON STRUCTURAL MEMBERS, BUT THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE SATELLITE. USUALLY THEY USE SATELLITE DATA. SO I WAS WONDERING WHICH SATELLITES YOU GUYS USE. CORRECT. DIFFERENTIAL SETTLEMENT IS THE PROBLEM. OKAY. SO, ALRIGHT. AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ONE THING. UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT MEAN C LEVEL. DID YOU JUST MEAN NGVD? YEAH, HE MEANT N-G-V-D-D. OKAY. THAT'S LIKE NNG VD ZERO IS WHAT YOU'RE FACING. CORRECT. PERFECT. OKAY. UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING, THE PLACARD, I WASN'T SURE I SAW THAT, BUT YOU MENTIONED A PLACARD WITH HISTORY OF THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING AND THEN WHERE WAS THAT GONNA BE LOCATED? IT'S UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS. YEAH, IT'S ACTUALLY, I MUST HAVE MISSED IT. YEAH. OKAY. SO IT'S GONNA BE LOCATED RIGHT NEXT TO THE FRONT ENTRY, WHICH IS GONNA BE ON 12TH STREET ON 12TH. AND IT'S GONNA BE A WHOLE PLACARD OF, OF THE, UH, HISTORY OF THE HOUSE. PERFECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? UM, TO THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING TO RALPH. RALPH, YOU HAD SAID THAT, UH, THE BUILDING WAS SINKING AT AN ALARMING RATE. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? I KNOW THAT BECAUSE, AND MAYBE I MISSPOKE WHEN I SAID ALARMING, BUT IT REALLY IS DEFINITELY SINKING. UH, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S UNEVENNESS AND THERE'S CRACKING ON THE WALLS, ON THE CEILINGS. UM, THERE'S DIFFERENT, UH, UH, TYPES OF CRACKING, UH, AT THE REAR OF THE RESIDENCE. AND THEN THE FRONT, THE NEW FOUND, THE NEW ADDITION IS ALSO SINKING. IT HAS SEVERE CRACKING AS WELL. UH, SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S MY, IN MY OPINION, AS AN ARCHITECT AND YOU'RE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, MAYBE YOU CAN REFUTE OR VERIFY WHAT I'M SAYING. UH, THIS AREA REQUIRES DEEP FOUNDATIONS PILING GRADE BEAM. AND WHEN I GOT THE ORIGINAL, UH, DRAWINGS OF THE RESIDENTS, WE WERE NOT MUCH TO GO ON. BUT LUCKILY WE HAD THE STRUCTURAL DRAWINGS, UH, THE, UM, THE FOUNDATION DRAWINGS AND IT'S SPREAD FOOTINGS. RIGHT. THE ALARMING ISSUE WOULD BE DIFFERENTIAL, UH, SETTLEMENT. RIGHT. ONE LEVEL SINKING DIFFERENTLY THAN THE OTHER. CORRECT. BUT UNLESS YOU HAVE HISTORICAL DATA, YOU CAN'T DETERMINE HOW FAST THIS IS SINKING OR WHERE, WHETHER IT'S SINKING AT ALL RELATIVE TO FIVE YEARS AGO OR 10 YEARS AGO. BUT YOU CAN DETERMINE THAT THE, THE, UH, SINKING AND THE CRACKING IS FAIRLY SEVERE ON THIS RESIDENCE. IT'S, IT'S REALLY, REALLY BAD. I WILL DEBATE THAT WITH YOU, BUT THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE CAN DISCUSS LATER ON. WHAT I WANNA TALK ABOUT IS YOU BRINGING UP THIS ISSUE OF THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. WHAT IS THE RELATIVE HEIGHT OF THIS STRUCTURE TO ADJACENT HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? HOW MUCH TALLER IS IT? YOU KNOW, I DID NOT MAKE IT DO A STUDY OF THE ADJACENT HOMES, BUT YOU CAN NEVER COMPARE THIS. THIS IS COMPARING APPLES WITH ORANGES. YOU HAVE HOMES THAT WERE BUILT WITH EIGHT FOOT CEILINGS BUILT ON GRADE, BUILT BELOW, UH, UH, FEMA STANDARDS. AND NOW YOU HAVE A RESIDENCE THAT HAS AN UNDERSTORY AND IT HAS TWO FLOORS ABOVE IT. SO OF COURSE IT'S GONNA BE HIGHER THAN, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THAT MUCH HIGHER THAN THE ADJACENT RESIDENCE BECAUSE THAT RESIDENCE WAS, I GUESS, BUILT BEFORE THERE WAS A DRB 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S JUST THIS BIG TWO STORY BLOCK, UH, TOWER THAT, THAT EXISTS THERE. THIS, UM, THE RESIDENCE WE DESIGNED CANNOT, UH, AGAIN, YOU CAN'T COMPARE IT WITH THE EXISTING RESIDENCES. THIS IS NOT, UH, IN THE SAME PERIOD AS WHAT WAS DESIGNED. AND IT'S, UH, IT'S AGAIN, WITH THE NEW CODES AND WITH, UH, GLOBAL WARMING THAT WE HAVE UNDERST STORIES THAT THE EXISTING RESIDENCES DO NOT HAVE UNDERST STORIES. THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS I, I'M BEGINNING TO SEE A TREND THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHERE YOU HAVE THESE EXISTING HOMES AND, UM, HOME NEW HOMEOWNERS DEVELOPERS ARE COMING IN AND BUILDING THESE MONSTROUS HOMES ADJACENT TO EXISTING HOMES. AND IT'S JUST COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER, OUT OF SYNC BASED ON YOUR NUMBERS. THE LAST FLOOR IS, I THINK, 13 FEET, NO TALL. HOW TALL IS THE TOP FLOOR? UH, THE TOP FLOOR IS, UH, 12 FEET FLOOR TO ROOF. AND THE FIRST FLOOR IS 10, UM, 12 FEET FLOOR TO, UH, FLOOR. AND THE UNDERSTORY IS GRADE TO FIRST FLOOR 10 FEET. WE ALLOW TWO FEET FOR THE STRUCTURE. RALPH. I THINK THE DESIGN IS BEAUTIFUL. MY CONCERN, AGAIN, IS HOW IT IMPACTS [01:35:01] THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT KIND OF A TREND ARE WE SETTING FOR FUTURE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FUTURE HOMES IN MIAMI BEACH, WHERE THE NEW HOMES ARE TOWERING OVER EXISTING HOMES AND LOOK COMPLETELY OUT OF SIGHT. IIII HAVE TO, UH, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU HASKELL. I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU AT ALL. I'VE KNOWN YOU A LONG TIME. UM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, LIKE I TOLD YOU BEFORE, YOU'RE THE PERSON THAT GOT ME TO STOP SMOKING FIVE YEARS AGO, . SO, UM, YOU CAN'T COMPARE, UH, WHAT'S EXISTING TO WHAT'S NEW. I MEAN, IT'S ALL NEW STANDARDS, ALL NEW, UH, ELEVATIONS. WE NOW TALK ABOUT FEMA BASED FLOOD PLUS. AND BEFORE, UH, THIS YOU, YOU DID NOT BUILD TO A FEMA CODE. SO THIS, UH, UNFORTUNATELY THE RESIDENCE IS EXISTING, THAT'S EXISTING IS FOUR FEET BELOW WHAT IS REQUIRED BY FEMA. ACTUALLY A LOT MORE THAN FOUR FEET, BECAUSE NOW IT'S, FEMA USED TO BE PLUS ONE, NOW IT'S FEMA PLUS TWO. SO IT'S GETTING WORSE AND WORSE, YOU KNOW. SO, QUESTION AGAIN, I JUST WANNA REITERATE YOU'VE NOT ASKED WAIT, WAIT. VARI, RIGHT, SO YOU'RE, WAIT, JUST WAIT JUST ONE SECOND. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCES OR WAIVERS HERE. RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, I I LIKE THE DESIGN. I, I JUST WANT YOU TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU'RE BUILDING A NUMBER OF HOMES IN OUR AREA. I JUST WANT YOU TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE HOMES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA AS TO THESE TOWERING MANSIONS AND HOW THEY COME. WELL, HASKELL, ONE OF THE REASONS IS THE, THE HOME WE DESIGNED IS THREE AND A HALF FEET BELOW WHAT I COULD HAVE ACTUALLY DESIGNED THERE TO MEET CODE. SO WE'RE THREE AND A HALF FEET BELOW ALREADY. UM, SO WE ARE BEING AS SENSITIVE AS POSSIBLE, BUT THIS IS A NEW ARCHITECTURE. THIS IS A NEW ERA. UH, UNFORTUNATELY THE HOMES THAT WERE THERE RIGHT NOW ARE JUST, THEY JUST DON'T WORK. AND THEY'RE STRUCTURALLY, UH, BECOMING A LITTLE BIT ON SOUND, BUT I CAN'T SAY THAT FOR ALL THE, ALL THE RESIDENTS, AS I CAN TELL YOU FOR THIS ONE THROUGH THE CHAIR. YES, LINDSEY. UM, ON, SO THE PAPERS THAT YOU DELIVERED TODAY, I GUESS WERE SENT TO STAFF LAST NIGHT ON, UM, A ZERO FOUR D BECAUSE IT'S ON PAPER. I CAN'T BRING IT UP ONLINE AND ZOOM IN. COULD YOU TELL US WHAT THOSE ELEVATIONS ARE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE THAT MIGHT HELP WITH THIS DISCUSSION? WELL, I CAN TELL YOU BY HEART WHAT THEY ARE THAT WORKS. JUST TELL SO I CAN WRITE 'EM DOWN. THAT'S ALL FROM GRADE TO THE TOP OF THE FIRST LIVABLE FLOOR IS 10 FEET. OKAY. FROM THE TOP OF THE FIRST LIVABLE FLOOR. MM-HMM. TO THE TOP OF THE SECOND LIVABLE FLOOR IS 12 FEET. MM-HMM . OKAY. FROM THE TOP OF THE SECOND LIVABLE FLOOR TO THE ROOF, TOP OF ROOF IS ANOTHER 12 FEET. MM-HMM . WE ALLOW TWO FEET IN EACH FLOOR FOR THE STRUCTURE. THE INSIDE CEILINGS WILL BE DROPPED AN ADDITIONAL FOOT, NOT EVERYWHERE, BUT WHERE THERE'S MECHANICAL AND ELEC, AN ELECTRICAL CLASHING, ESPECIALLY WHERE THERE'S AIR CONDITIONING THAT BLOWS OUT INTO THE MORE MAJOR AREAS WHICH ARE ON THE PERIMETER. SO THOSE WILL BE DROPPED IN ADDITIONAL FOOT, BUT THAT'S, THOSE ARE, SO WHERE WE ARE ALLOWED TO BE ABOVE MEAN C LEVEL OR NGVD AS AS THE CHAIR, UH, STATED, WE COULD BE AT 44 FEET ABOVE MEAN C LEVEL OR FOUR PLUS 44 NGVD. WE ARE AT PLUS 40.5 NGVD. SO WE ARE ALREADY THREE AND A HALF FEET LOWER THAN WHERE WE COULD BE WITH THE NEW CODE. THANK YOU. DID YOU UNDERSTAND OR? I DID. THANK YOU. I GOT THE ANSWER. THE 40 IN GBD, WHICH WAS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. AND, AND I NOTICED WHEN YOU PUT THE SLIDES UP THAT YOU HAD ONE THAT WENT THROUGH THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, DID YOU YEAH. CAN YOU DO THAT? BECAUSE I WAS, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. CAN YOU NARRATE THE CHANGES? YES. UM, TO THE ONE THAT HAS, OKAY, THERE WE GO. SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS THAT, UH, THE FRONT WALL, UH, BE, UH, SCALED DOWN, UH, TO PEDESTRIAN HEIGHT THAT'S PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND BE MADE MORE TRANSPARENT. AND WE DID THAT. UH, WE ALSO INCORPORATED THE RELIEF PANELS THAT ARE EXISTING IN THE RESIDENCE. NOW. WE'RE GONNA TAKE THEM OFF AND WE'RE GONNA, UH, INCORPORATE IT INTO THE BUILDING. UH, AS WELL, WE HAVE INCORPORATED CORNER WINDOWS TO MA MATCH THE CORNER WINDOWS THAT WERE IN THE EXISTING BUILDING. I'D LIKE TO STATE SOMETHING REGARDING THE INCORPORATION OF THE RELIEF PANELS I WAS SPEAKING TO, TO DEBBIE, UH, BEFORE THIS HEARING. AND WE COULD ACTUALLY, INSTEAD OF PUTTING THEM THERE ON THE BUILDING, WE COULD ACTUALLY PUT THEM, WE, UH, MIXED IN WITH THE TILE, UH, FLOOR LEADING INTO THE HOUSE. SO THEY'RE LIKE THOSE BRICKS THAT COMMEMORATE PEOPLE. THESE WILL COMMEMORATE THE [01:40:01] EXISTING HOUSE ON THE FLOOR. SO WE CAN KEEP GOING. OKAY. THIS IS THE BEFORE. AND THEN CAN YOU JUST DO THE BEFORE TO THE ONE SLIDE YOU JUST FINISHED? JUST QUICKLY. I, YOU, OKAY. SO THAT'S IT RIGHT NOW. AND THEN, BECAUSE THESE ARE IMAGES THAT ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE ONES THAT ARE IN MY PACKET. UH, SO, OKAY. PERFECT. ALRIGHT. THAT'S BEFORE, SO THIS IS THE VIEW FROM MICHIGAN MM-HMM . AND WE ADDED CORNER WINDOWS, UH, BECAUSE THE EXISTING RESIDENCE HAS WINDOWS ON THE CORNERS IT TOWARD THIS ELEVATION AS WELL. AND WE JUST, UH, MIMIC THEM IN THE MODERN STYLE HERE. UH, WE ALSO, I'M SORRY, WE RELOCATED THE BALCONY, UH, WHERE YOU SEE THE BIG SQUARE, THERE WAS A BALCONY AND WE RELOCATED, UH, THAT BALCONY. UM, HERE IS, UH, BEFORE THIS IS JUST THE ADDITION OF A PLACARD. I SEE. UH, WHERE, I DON'T KNOW, ACTUALLY, I WOULD PROBABLY PUT THAT PLACARD MIXED IN WITH THE, IF WE DO IT ON THE WALK IN THE FRONT, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD PUT IT. PROBABLY PUT IT, NO ONE, NO ONE WILL SEE THAT ELEVATION. THIS IS, UH, THE RESULT OF THE FINAL PRODUCT. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. I THINK, I THINK IT HAS A LOT OF MOVEMENT HERE. THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN THE ARCHITECTURE. I THINK IT'LL GO NICELY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ANYTHING INCOMPATIBLE WITH ANYTHING THAT'S BUILT HERE IN THE FUTURE. IT'S NOT A WHITE BOX AS PEOPLE CALL IT. UH, COULD YOU PLEASE GO OVER THE VOLUMETRIC STUDY THAT YOU MENTIONED? YOU KIND OF FOLLOW THE VOLUMES OF THE EXISTING HOUSE AND TRY TO USE THAT AS INSPIRATION FOR WHAT YOU DID. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE VOLUMES, BUT WHAT WE, THE MASS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN I, THE MASS, I'M JUST TRYING TO REPRODUCE WHAT YOU SAID AND MAYBE I'M, I'M, CAN WE GO TO THE SLIDE, UH, THAT SHOWS THE EXISTING RESIDENCE IN THE FRONT ON MICHIGAN? NO UHHUH RIGHT THERE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT, UH, AND YOU CAN EVEN SEE IT MAYBE IN THE TOP ONE AS WELL. YOU SEE HOW THE HOUSE IS, UH, LOWER IN THE FRONT AND IT STEPS BACK TOWARD BACK. UM, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. WE'RE LOWER IN THE FRONT NOW GO TO THE, UH, GO TO OUR RENDERING THERE. OKAY. NO, NO, YOU PASS. THERE YOU GO. SAME THING HERE. SO WE'RE LOWER IN THE FRONT AND WE'RE BIGGER IN THE BACK, WHICH MAKES IT EVEN MORE OF A, A, A, A SETBACK EFFECT. IT, IT, IT REALLY RELIEVES YOUR VISION FOR MICHIGAN AVENUE. HOW ABOUT ON 12TH STREET? DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE INSIGHTS ON THAT STUDY OF THE ELEVATION FACING 12TH STREET? UM, THE OTHER STREET, RIGHT? YOU HAVE IT'S 12TH NO. YES. MICHIGAN OR NO. SO THIS IS THE ONE YOU SHOWED ME WAS ON MICHIGAN. SO, UM, YES. THAT'S THE CHILD ON 12TH STREET. YES. RIGHT. HOW DOES THAT RELATES TO THE EXISTING HOME AND YOUR DESIRE TO, TO, WELL, HOWEVER, THE ONLY RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE HERE IS YOU DO SEE THE STEP BACK ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE RENDERING, WHICH IS, AND THEN YOU ALSO SEE THE LINEARITY OF THE, UH, OF THE SLABS FOR THE ROOF AND THE FLOORS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESIDENCE ITSELF, THE EXISTING RESIDENCE, WE HAVE LINEAL ELEMENTS THAT YOU CAN TURN TO THE EXISTING RESIDENCE. OKAY. ANY, ANY SIDE THE SIDE, WE HAVE IT. THERE YOU GO. THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY. YOU, THIS IS KIND OF COVERED UP. YOU SEE SOME LINEAL ELEMENTS TO THAT. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO THE MODERN VERSION OF THAT. SO. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I DON'T HAVE THE PLANS IN FRONT OF ME FOR SOME REASON IT'S NOT IN MY PACKAGE. BUT ARE YOU ENCROACHING ON ANY OF THE EXISTING SETBACKS? NO. UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE ASKING FOR NO VARIANCES OR NO WAIVERS. THERE YOU GO. THERE ARE THE PLANS. ALRIGHT. UM, SO ANY RESPONSE TO THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT TO OVERALL, ARE YOU GOOD? UH, NO. MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK OUR TEAM'S DONE A GOOD JOB RESPONDING TO PERFECT THE BOARD QUESTIONS AND LET'S JUST GO TO PUBLIC HEARING. EXCELLENT. OKAY. SO FIRST BOARD DISCLOSURE. ANYBODY? UM, YES, RAY, I DID SPEAK TO THE, UH, OWNER ON THE MIC. ON THE MIC PLEASE. I DID SPEAK TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. UM, MAYBE A MONTH OR SO AGO. YEP. AND I WAS HAPPY THAT THE SAME PERSON WAS COMING BACK AND BUILDING THE NEW HOUSE AND WANTING TO LIVE THERE. YEP. YEP. HIGH SCHOOL. DID YOU HAVE ANY DISCLOSURE? DIDN'T TALK TO ANYBODY. NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. MS. CHAIR, CAN I, CAN I, YES. FOR ONE MINUTE, UH, SINCE WE HAVE TWO [01:45:01] MINUTES LEFT, UH, LET'S JUST FINISH BOARD DISCLOSURES AND THEN I'LL GET RIGHT BACK TO YOU. OKAY. AND THEN I'LL WRITE, JUST YES, I SPOKE WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. YES. OKAY. AS DID I AND I SPOKE WITH THE ARCHITECT I'VE BEEN IN. OKAY. UM, SO YES, PLEASE. THE OWNER OF, OF THE PROPERTY. OH, GREAT. OKAY. NICE TO PUT A FACE WITH A VOICE. . THANK YOU ALL AND THANK, THANK YOU STAFF. UM, I WANT TO, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO LEAVE, SO I'M GONNA SPEAK VERY QUICKLY. UM, I WANT TO THANK MY FATHER AND SISTER FOR COMING HERE TODAY. SENATOR STEINBERG, MY SECOND AND EIGHTH GRADE TEACHER, RABBI BOUND JACOB, JEAN GEORGE, UM, MAYOR FELLAS WHO HAS TO LEAVE IN A MINUTE. HE'S ON THE FLAMINGO PARK WEST BOARD. WE ORIGINALLY, WE NEVER ANTICIPATED KNOCKING DOWN THIS HOME. I MADE A PROMISE TO MY MOTHER THAT I WOULD NEVER SELL THE HOME THAT WE GREW UP IN. SO FIRST WE SAID, HAD A WHOLE SET OF PLANS TO RENOVATE THE HOME AND IT BE, SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS BECAME ABUNDANTLY CLEAR. WE SUBMITTED ORIGINALLY A MUCH DIFFERENT DESIGN THAT I HAVE TO ADMIT AFTER SHOWING IT TO ABOUT 20 DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO LOOKED IT OVER. EVERYONE COMMENDED THE DESIGN THAT THE STAFF PROPOSED, THE ONE THAT WE'RE GOING WITH TODAY. SO I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL BECAUSE CLEARLY WHATEVER I SUBMITTED THE FIRST TIME AROUND WASN'T NEARLY AS GOOD AS WHAT YOU GUYS CAME UP WITH. SO, GREAT. AGAIN, THANK, THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND TAKING AN INTEREST. SO, UM, LET, CAN WE GO TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT? YES. UH, ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ANYONE IN CHAMBERS PLEASE COME FORWARD. MAYOR, SORRY. UM, DO YOU NEED TO LEAVE LIKE VERY QUICKLY? CAN CAN, I'M SORRY. CAN HE JUST GO FIRST? 'CAUSE I THINK YEAH, OF COURSE. OKAY. SORRY. THANK YOU. UM, MAYOR FEIG, HOMEOWNER OF 1240 LENOX AVENUE. I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR FIVE YEARS NOW. UM, I'VE MET WITH MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. I'M ALSO PART OF THE BOARD MEMBER IN THAT AREA AND MOST PEOPLE ARE IN FAVOR OF THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THIS HOME AND THE DEMOLITION OF IT. UNFORTUNATELY, OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS OF LIVING THERE, THERE ARE MANY, MANY VACANT HOMES IN THE AREA DUE TO RESTRICTIONS ON THE REBUILDING OF THEM AND THE COST TO REBUILD THEM. I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM TWO VACANT HOMES AND I'VE MADE A LOT OF NOISE IN THE CITY OVER THE PAST YEAR BECAUSE THERE ARE COUNTLESS OF HOMELESS PEOPLE THERE, THERE ARE ACTIVITIES GOING ON AT NIGHT, UM, WHICH I'M WAKING UP IN THE MORNING AND MY KIDS ARE SEEING PEOPLE GET ARRESTED ACROSS FROM THESE HOMES. SO I'M REALLY PUSHING TO MAKE A CHANGE AND TO GET THESE HOMES RECONSTRUCTION AND PEOPLE LIVING IN THESE HOMES BECAUSE IT'S A DISASTER RIGHT NOW IN THE AREA. AND, UH, I'M ALL IN FAVOR FOR IT. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. OKAY. ROGER BLA AGAIN. UH, MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAD QUITE A, UH, DEMONSTRATION OF THEIR, UH, PROJECT AND WE WE'RE NOT OPPOSING THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION. IT'S UNFORTUNATE, HOWEVER, TO HAVE A POTENTIAL LOSS OF A CONTRIBUTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITHIN THIS HISTORIC FLAMINGO NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT WE SAW PICTURES OF THE FLOODING AND A LOT, AND A LOT OF THE OTHER ISSUES THEY HAVE. AND, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES POSED BY THE FLOODING THE EXISTING STRUCTURES CONDITION. HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED NEW BUILDING INTRODUCES A SCALE AMASSING THAT IS KIND OF INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. THE DRAMATIC INCREASE IN HEIGHT AND FOR THE CEILING DIMENSIONS INCREASE THE STRUCTURE THAT WOULD TOWER OVER A LOT OF THE HISTORIC HOMES. WE ENCOURAGED TO DESIGN TO MAINTAIN SOME MORE CONTEXTUAL SCALE WITH THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE ADDRESSING OF, OF COURSE, THE RESILIENCY CONCERNS. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ISAAC TIDAL. I'VE LIVED IN MIAMI BEACH FOR OVER 55 YEARS. THE FIRST FEW YEARS I'VE LIVED IN THE 41ST STREET AREA AND FOR OVER 50 YEARS I'VE LIVED IN SOUTH BEACH DOWN THE BLOCK FROM THE MES. AND 41ST STREET IS NOT AS, WASN'T AS POPULAR AS SOUTH BEACH WHERE WE LIVE, BUT AFTER THAT IT CHANGED. 41ST STREET IS VERY POPULAR. THE HOUSES ARE ALL, NONE OF THEM ARE VACANT IN OUR AREA. THEY'RE ALL VACANT. MANY HOUSES ARE CONSTANTLY VACANT AND THE HOUSES, MOST OF THE HOUSES ARE SHTA HOUSES. THEY'RE BELOW SEA LEVEL. AND I DUNNO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY OVER THERE. THE 41ST SEATERS BECAME POPULAR BECAUSE EVERY SEC SECOND HOUSE IS BEING KNOCKED DOWN. AND BEAUTIFUL HOMES GO UP IN OUR AREA. IT NOTHING'S HARDLY ANYTHING CHANGES BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA LET BUILD NICE HOMES. YOU GO TO 41ST STREET, YOU SEE THOSE HOMES, BEAUTIFUL HOMES [01:50:01] LIKE THE ONE YOU SAW THAT VALLEYS WANT TO BUILD. MAYBE IT'LL BUILD UP THE AREA AGAIN. ALSO, UM, NORTH BAY ROAD, EVERY SECOND HOUSE WAS KNOCKED DOWN EVEN THOUGH WORTH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. THEY KNOCK IN THE HOUND, KNOCK THEM DOWN AND BUILD BEAUTIFUL HOMES AND THEY'RE FAKE ON THE AREA. NOW IF YOU WANNA KEEP THE HOTELS AS ARE THEY GO OKAY. BUT THE HOMES, OUR HOMES ARE ALL SCH SMART. IF I HAD THE MONEY, I WOULD BUILD A HOME LIKE THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO HOLD BACK. THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM GOING UP THE HOUSES ARE ALL SCH SMART. IF I HAD THE MONEY, I WOULD BUILD A HOUSE LIKE THAT TOO. SO I WISH WE COULD BUILD UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU HONOR. DO WE GET AN OFFICIAL INTERPRETATION ON THE WORD? IT'S GOTTA BE IN THE CAN. IT'S GOTTA BE IN THE LEXICON NOW. MY NAME IS STUART MELLI. I'M ANDREW'S FATHER. UM, I PURCHASED THE HOME IN 1976, I BELIEVE. UM, JUST THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RATE OF DETERIORATION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, AROUND THE TIME OF HURRICANE ANDREW, WE HAD SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF AND A 500 GALLON WATER TANK IN THE ATTIC. THE HOUSE SHIFTED AND THE WATER TANK BROKE, FLOODED THE ENTIRE HOUSE. UM, A FEW YEARS LATER, THE LIVING ROOM FLOOR COLLAPSED. IT JUST DROPPED DOWN ABOUT TWO FEET. UM, AFTER WE BUILT THE ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE ON THE BACK, IT WAS BUILT WITH SPREAD FOOTINGS. AND AT THE TIME THE SPREAD FOOTINGS THAT WERE USED WERE SUFFICIENT TO BUILD A SECOND STORY. 'CAUSE WE THOUGHT MAYBE DOWN THE LINE WE'D WANNA BUILD ON TOP OF IT. UM, BUT THAT ROOM STARTED TO SETTLE ALONG WITH OTHER PARTS OF THE HOUSE. THERE WAS A BULGE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROOM. I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM, BUT THE ENTIRE, UM, STRUCTURE WAS, WAS NOT SUPPORTED. SO THE, THE RATE OF DETERIORATION HAS CONTINUED ALSO WITH REGARD TO HOW THIS HOME APPEARS IN CONNECTION WITH ADJACENT HOMES. UM, KEEP IN MIND THAT ON MICHIGAN AVENUE THERE ARE NO NEIGHBORS. IT FACES THE TRACK OF FLAMINGO PARK FACING TO THE EAST. IT FACES FLAMINGO PARK. UM, THERE'S LITERALLY ONE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR. THEIR HOME WAS BUILT. IT WAS LIKE A NO ARCHITECTURE, JUST A BOX. AND, UM, ACROSS THE ALLEY GOING, GOING WEST. THERE'S ANOTHER HOME OWNED BY S SANKO, WHICH ARE FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS. AND I THINK EVERYBODY IS, UM, ANXIOUS TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS HOME AND REALLY THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA. SO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS GEORGE GUTTMAN. I'VE BEEN A LICENSED STATE OF FLORIDA CONTRACTOR FOR 38 YEARS. ALMOST ALL MY LIFE HAS BEEN IN MIAMI BEACH. UM, THEY HAVE A GREAT ARCHITECTURAL FIRM. I WAS LOOKING AT THE RENDERINGS AND I KNOW THAT WITHOUT STAFF SUPPORT AND THEIR DESIGN, THE RENDERINGS WOULD NOT LOOK AS BEAUTIFUL AS THEY ARE. I JUST WANTED TO SAY JOB WELL DONE. UH, I'VE SEEN SOME HOMES NOT SO ATTRACTIVE, BUT I KNOW WITHOUT STAFF IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED. SO JOB. VERY WELL DONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR, UH, GIVING THE STAFF, UH, ACCOMMODATION. 'CAUSE THEY WORK VERY HARD EVERY DAY AND WE ALL RELY ON YOU GUYS. SO THANK YOU. MORNING. MORNING. MY NAME NAME'S GENE WEST. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FROM MIAMI BEACH FOR OVER 25 YEARS. UM, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROBLEMS OF 1210 MICHIGAN AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WEST OF FLAMINGO PARK. AS I HAVE A KEY TO THE RESIDENCE. I'VE BEEN USING IT AS MY OFFICE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. I ALSO SEEN GO HANDEDLY FOILED THE ARMED ROBBERY OF A SUSPECT THIS YEAR, TRYING TO BREAK IN WITH A KNIFE. FORTUNATELY, WE HAVE THAT UNDER VIDEO AND IT HELPED US PROSECUTE THIS INDIVIDUAL. BUT I'M VERY, UH, EXCITED IF THIS GOES THROUGH AND I THINK IT'D BE A GREAT STEP FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN A GOOD DIRECTION. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME'S JACOB CASTLE. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF MIAMI BEACH NOW FOR 21 YEARS. I'M ALSO SIX FOOT NINE. SO WHEN I GO OVER TO THE RESIDENTS BACK IN THE DAY FOR SHABBAT DINNER AT OTHER FAMILY EVENTS, A NORMAL SIZED CEILING, MAYBE FROM 1982 OR 1976, WHENEVER THIS HOUSE WAS, IT DOESN'T WORK. OKAY. I HIT MY HEAD WALKING THROUGH THE DOOR, . OKAY. LIKE, WE, WE NEED MORE HOUSES LIKE THIS. IT FITS IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL FAMILY. I LOVE THE MI MES. I WANNA [01:55:01] CONTINUE GOING OVER FOR SHABBAT DINNER AND I'M TIRED OF HITTING MY HEAD, WALKING IN EVERY DOOR. SO I, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME HERE TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, . HI, MY NAME IS ISAAC COZI. I'M SIX FOOT EIGHT AND I HAVE THE SAME EXACT PROBLEM AND I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT A HIGHER CEILINGS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HI, I'M SARAH ELLI. I'M ANDREW'S SISTER. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THIS HOME. AND YOU MAY PROMISE MY MOM THAT HE WAS GONNA PRESERVE THIS HOME, SAVE THIS HOME. AND IT'S AN HONOR OF HER AND HER MEMORY. I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO WALK BACK IN THIS HOME SINCE SHE PASSED, NOT BECAUSE OF THE EMOTIONAL PART, WHICH IS A PART OF IT IS DISGUSTING. THE HOUSE IS INFESTED WITH TERMITES, IT'S SINKING. IT SMELLS LIKE MILDEW. IT IS, IT IS SAD FOR ME NOT TO BE ABLE TO GO GET MY CHILDHOOD MEMORIES AND GO THROUGH HER STUFF AND HER BELONGINGS IN ALMOST TWO YEARS. SO I REALLY PLEASE HOPE YOU CAN APPROVE OF THIS HOME THING. OH, AND ONE MORE THING IS I LIVED IN 1235 LENNOX, WHICH WE WANTED TO RENOVATE THE HOU. IT WAS RAINING IN MY LIVING ROOM WITH MY TWO CHILDREN AND WE COULDN'T GET ANYTHING DONE. IT WAS LIKE THEY MAYOR WAS SAYING HOMELESS PEOPLE IN THE PARK, AND IT WAS REALLY SCARY. SO I'VE NOW MOVED TO NORTH BEACH, SO TO REALLY HELP CLEAN UP THIS AREA, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO START HERE. THANK YOU. UH, MY NAME IS PAUL STEINBERG. I'VE LIVED ON MIAMI BEACH AND WORKED ON MY MIAMI BEACH FOR OVER 50 YEARS. I HAPPEN TO BE THE ATTORNEY FOR THE SHARON MCMILL ESTATE. UH, AND ANDREW, THE PERSONAL REPRESENTATIVE. UH, ORIGINALLY WHEN SHARON PASSED AWAY, UH, ANDREW WAS INTENT ON REBUILDING THE HOUSE 'CAUSE THAT WAS HIS HOUSE. OVER THE YEAR OR SO SINCE HIS MOTHER DIED, IT BECAME OBVIOUS THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE, AND THAT WAS HIS ORIGINAL PLAN. UH, I'VE LOOKED AT THE HOUSE, I'VE BEEN IN THE HOUSE, I KNOW ABOUT THE FLOODING IN THE AREA, AND I THINK IT'S ABOUT TIME THAT HER MEMORY AS WELL AS THE FAMILY MEMORY WOULD BE, UH, SAVED BY, SORRY TO SAY, REMOVING THE EXISTING HOUSE AND PUTTING A QUALITY STRUCTURE ON THE SITE. OKAY. THANK YOU, SENATOR. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. HI, GOOD MORNING, MARK EFF 59 79 ALTON. I'VE ALSO, UH, GREW UP HERE ON MIAMI BEACH AND I'VE KNOWN THE MORES FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS. I'VE BEEN TO THE HOUSE MANY, MANY TIMES. AND ALSO I GREW UP ON NORTH SHORE DRIVE, WHICH IS ANOTHER PRETTY GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOMES THAT HAVE, UM, DIFFERENT SCALES THERE. MY MOTHER'S STILL IN HER ORIGINAL HOUSE, WHICH IS A ONE STORY, AND IT'S, UM, ONE OF THE ONLY HOMES ON THE STREET THAT ARE STILL LIKE THAT. BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT IS JUST THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING. THAT IS THE NEW ARCHITECTURE. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN MY MOTHER EVER MOVES OUT OF THAT HOUSE, I'M SURE IT WILL BE TORN DOWN. AND ANOTHER, UM, ONE, ALMOST HOPEFULLY AS NICE AS THIS ONE GETS BUILT UP, AND, UM, UNFORTUNATELY FOR WHATEVER YOUR, UM, AND I LOVE ALL, UM, ART DECO AND OLD MIAMI BEACH HOMES, BUT IT JUST, THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT LASTING ANYWHERE. IT SADLY. THANK YOU. UH, OKAY, THAT WAS IT FOR, ARE THERE MORE? WE HAVE PEOPLE ON ZOOM. OKAY. UM, OUR FIRST, UH, SPEAKER IS ZAS PHONE, IPHONE ZAS. HI, GOOD MORNING. HI. COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND THEN I'LL SWEAR YOU IN? SURE. MY NAME IS ERIC STEINMAN. ERIC, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, I DO. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. I JUST WANT TO SAY, I KNOW THE ELLIS FOR OVER 40 YEARS AND, UH, NUMEROUS TIMES ANDY TOLD ME THAT, UH, HE WOULD NEVER SELL THE HOUSE. HE WOULD ALWAYS WANNA LIVE, LIVE THERE. HE, UH, MY MOTHER ACTUALLY LIVES ON 1400 LENNOX AVENUE AT THE CORNER RIGHT BEHIND THE CVS AND MY MOTHER EVERY SINGLE TIME. AND SHE'S A 80-YEAR-OLD LADY. EVERY SINGLE TIME IT RAINS, IT FLOODS INTO HER GARAGE. AND I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, GOD WILLING, SHE SHOULD LIVE TO 120. HOWEVER, UM, ONE DAY WHEN I ALSO INHERIT HER HOUSE, UM, I'M GONNA BE, LOOK, I'M GONNA BE SAFE. I'M GONNA BE FACED WITH THE SAME ISSUES BECAUSE LITERALLY HER, HER HOUSE, HER THE FOUNDATION IS CRUMBLING. AND, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVE ENGINEERS COMING TO TRY TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO WITH IT, BUT EVERY SINGLE TIME IT RAINS, HER ENTIRE GARAGE FLOODS, UH, IT COMES INTO THE LIVING ROOM A LITTLE BIT. SO, UM, THIS, THIS AREA OBVIOUSLY, [02:00:01] YOU KNOW, IS A, IS A FLOOD ZONE. AND, UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSE IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. AND, UH, IF ONE DAY I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT HOUSE AT 1400 LENNOX AVENUE MYSELF. OKAY, THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER, I'M, I'M DONE. OH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, OUR, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MOSHI. SO SOKO, GOOD MORNING. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM IT SAYS YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING, IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. UM, I'VE BEEN A LIFETIME RESIDENT OF MIAMI BEACH, UH, LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE ELLIS, AND I'M A FELLOW MEMBER WITH, UH, MAYOR FEIG ON THE FLAMINGO PARK WEST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UH, MY SECOND, EVERYTHING THAT MAYOR SAID, WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH EXTREME ISSUES OF HOMELESSNESS, VAGRANCY CRIME, UM, AS WELL AS OTHER MULTIPLE ISSUES DUE TO VACANT HOMES, HOMES THAT CANNOT BE RENOVATED. AND IT WOULD BE AN EXTREMELY WELCOMING IDEA AND SIGHT TO HAVE A NEIGHBOR AGAIN, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A VACANT, DETERIORATING HOME THAT CANNOT BE LIVED IN. SO I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THIS. THANK YOU. I DO NOT SEE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS. ALL RIGHT. UM, IS THERE ANY APPLICANT REBUTTAL TO ANYTHING THE SPEAKER SAID? I DON'T THINK THIS IS A REBUTTAL, REALLY. I JUST WANNA STRESS THAT, UM, IN THE RM, UM, UH, RS FOUR DISTRICT, IT'S THE STRANGEST, MOST STRINGENT DISTRICT AS FAR AS HEIGHT IS CONCERNED. UH, WE ARE THREE AND A HALF FEET BELOW WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY BE. SO WE WERE ABOUT AS MUCH TO SCALE AS, UH, POSSIBLE, UH, HAVING A PRAGMATIC HOME. UH, OUR UNDERSTORY IS, UH, TWO AND A HALF FEET BELOW WHAT IT ACTUALLY COULD BE AS FAR AS IN HEIGHT. SO I THINK WE'VE RESPECTED THAT. UH, AND I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO, TO, TO UNDERSTAND THAT ABOUT THE SCALE OF, OF THIS RESIDENCE. GREAT, THANK YOU. AND IF YOU COULD SIT, UM, TAKE A SEAT AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE BOARD MEMBER, UH, COMMENT NOW, JUST, UM, AND IT'S NOT GONNA GO BACK AND FORTH TO THE APPLICANT. IT'S GONNA BE AMONGST US WHEN WE'RE VERY GOOD AT THAT BY NOW. UM, SO, UH, RAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START? WELL, I JUST WANNA THANK THEM FOR THE PRESENTATION. UM, UH, UH, IT'S ALWAYS SAD TO LOSE A HISTORIC HOME. UM, AND IT'S A SAD REALITY THAT THIS ENTIRE AREA IS BELOW FLOODPLAIN AND THERE'S GONNA BE MORE AND MORE OF THESE THINGS HAPPENING, UM, SADLY. UM, BUT I, I, UM, IT'S A GREAT PLAN. I'M THRILLED THAT YOU ASKED FOR NO VARIANCES BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE COME BEFORE US ASKING FOR MORE AND MORE AND MORE. AND I, I, I, I THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S A GOOD PRESENTATION AND UM, I'M ALL SET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU RAY HASKELL, GREAT PRESENTATION. UH, I COMMEND THE MELLI FAMILY FOR THE LIST OF, UH, SPEAKERS THAT YOU'VE GATHERED TO SUPPORT, UM, THE DEMOLITION OF THIS HOME. I THINK YOUR DESIGN IS BEAUTIFUL. UM, YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF, UM, NOT ENCROACHING ON SETBACKS, THE HEIGHT YOUR BELOW, YOUR, THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED. SO, UH, FOR THOSE REASONS I SUPPORT YOU, HOLLY. THANK YOU HUSKE, ELIZABETH? YES. UH, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. UM, YES, IT'S FAIR, IT'S SAD TO SEE ANOTHER HISTORIC HOME GOAL, BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT LIFE GOES ON AND THINGS NEED TO BE REPLACED WHEN THE RIGHT TIME COMES. UM, I LIKE THE DESIGN, APPRECIATE ALL THE EXPLANATIONS GIVEN. I JUST WISH, LIKE FROM A VOLUMETRIC STANDPOINT, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT SOFTER. NOT SO MUCH ON MICHIGAN, BUT ON 12TH STREET BECAUSE IT'S STILL VERY, LIKE, STRAIGHT LINES AND TRYING TO MAKE SOME REFERENCE TO THE EXISTING HOME AND THE MORE HISTORIC HOMES. THEY'RE A LITTLE SOFTER ON THE STREET FRONT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UM, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, LINDSAY. UM, NO, I MEAN, I, I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT, UM, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH A WORKABLE SOLUTION, UM, YOU KNOW, TO PRESERVE OR, YOU KNOW, IN ESSENCE OR, UH, THEIR FAMILY HOME. SO. ALRIGHT. AND I WAS JUST GONNA ADD, UM, MY COMPLIMENTS TO THE TEAM. YOU HAVE WORKED VERY HARD OVER MANY MONTHS AND, UH, I AM PARTICULARLY APPRECIATIVE THAT YOU WORK SO CLOSELY WITH STAFF BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR PROFESSIONAL, UM, ADVISORS HERE AND, UM, GUIDE AND GUIDES AND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE, I ASK QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE ENGINEERING AND HOW THAT WORKS BECAUSE AS WE MOVE FURTHER AND FURTHER ALONG, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE MORE AND MORE SPECIFICS ABOUT HOW, HOW DATA IS COLLECTED AND HOW IT'S ANALYZED AND UNDERSTOOD IN TERMS OF EITHER BUILDING, SINKING OR STRUCTURAL, UH, STRUCTURAL, UM, [02:05:01] NEEDS OF PARTICULARLY HISTORIC BUILDINGS. UM, AND SO I, UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT THE IDEA THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A COMMUNITY, A COMMUNITY IN INSPIRATION IS, UH, EVEN MORE, UH, OF MORE VALUE SO THAN ALMOST ANYTHING ELSE. SO I THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND WITH THAT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. OH, RIGHT. UM, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE, UH, SET BY STAFF AND THAT YOU'VE ACCEPTED AS WELL. UM, SECOND QUESTION. I SECOND. OKAY. OKAY. UH, LET ME CALL THE ROLE. MR. MEYER? YES. MS. LOVELL? YES. MS. CARGO? YES. MR. BRESLIN? YES. MR. STEWART? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY, WELL THANK YOU. WE'RE, WE ARE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT APPLICATION. [4. HPB24-0643, 1825 Collins Avenue. ] UM, ON THE AGENDA THIS MORNING IS HPB 24 0 6 4 3. THIS IS 1825 COLLINS AVENUE. AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION AND RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING HOTEL BUILDING SITE IMPROVEMENTS AND A VARIANCE FROM THE MINIMUM REQUIRED SETBACKS FOR A DETACHED SIGN. I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO JAKE FOR THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, DEBBIE. THE NAUTILUS HOTEL WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1950 AND DESIGNED BY ARCHITECTS MORRIS, ALBERT ANIS AND MORRIS LAPIDUS IN THE POSTMODERN STYLE AND WAS MORE RECENTLY RENOVATED IN 2012. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SEVERAL DESIGN MODIFICATIONS THROUGHOUT THE SITE, INCLUDING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ENTRY DRIVE, LOBBY AND OTHER PUBLIC SPACES, POOL DECK AND REAR YARD, MOST NOTABLY AT THE REAR OF THE LOBBY. A MORE DEFINED LOUNGE AREA WITH PARTIAL GLASS WALLS IS PROPOSED TO BE INTRODUCED AND IN FRONT OF THE LOUNGE, A SMALL CAFE COUNTER THE HOTEL LOBBY AS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AS EXPANSIVE. AND THESE NEW ELEMENTS DEFINE MORE INTIMATE SPACES. STAFF BELIEVES THE ARCHITECT HAS GONNA DONE A GOOD JOB AT BALANCING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE LOBBY WITH MODERN HOSPITALITY STANDARDS. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND, HOWEVER, THAT THE OVERHEAD STORAGE RACK ALONG THE FRONT OF THE COUNTER BE ELIMINATED TO BETTER REINFORCE THE ORIGINAL VISUAL CONNECTION FROM THE HOTEL ENTRANCE TO THE REAR OF THE LOBBY. OTHER MODIFICATIONS INCLUDE THE EXPANSION OF TWO WINDOW OPENINGS AT THE SECOND LEVEL OF THE REAR ELEVATION TO ACCESS AN EXISTING ROOF DECK AND NEW OUTDOOR BAR COUNTER IN SHADE STRUCTURES WITHIN THE REAR YARD. FINALLY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO LOCATE A DETACHED SIGN ALONG THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE AND PARTIALLY WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY WHERE A SETBACK OF FIVE FEET IS REQUIRED. STAFF FINDS THAT UNIQUE CONDITIONS EXIST IN WHICH THE EXISTING RECREATED HISTORICAL NAUTILUS SIGNAGE AT THE PORT OF RICOCHET AND BUILDING PARAPET LEAVES LITTLE AREA FOR A SIGN IDENTIFYING THE CURRENT HOTEL BRAND. AS SUCH, STAFF FINDS THAT PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES EXIST WARRANTING THE GRANTING OF THE VARIANCE. AND THAT'S IT. AND WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, FOR JAKE OR FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT? NO. OKAY. WELCOME. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. UH, THANK YOU DEBBIE AND JAKE FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AND THANK YOU CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR ALLOWING US TO PRESENT OUR APPLICATION. MY NAME IS ARMANDO HAS WITH LAW OFFICES AT 200 SOUTH PISCA BOULEVARD IN MIAMI. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, THE OWNER OF THE NAUTILUS HOTEL, LOCATED AT 1825 COLLINS AVENUE. WITH ME HERE TODAY IS MY COLLEAGUE DAVID ELLO, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM OWNERSHIP, SEAN BOLE AND OUR ARCHITECT OF RECORD, MIRIAM SALAS FROM CAMPO ARCHITECTURE. FOR SOME CONTEXT AND BACKGROUND, YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY ALONG COLLINS AVENUE NORTH OF 18TH STREET. AS NOTED, THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1950 AND IS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING. IT IS ALSO LOCATED WITHIN THE OCEAN DRIVE, COLLINS AVENUE, HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THE MIAMI BEACH ARCHITE [02:10:01] ARCHITECTURAL DISTRICT, THE ZONINGS R THREE. AS STAFF OUTLINED, WE ARE HERE TO REQUEST APPROVAL OF RELATIVELY MODEST RENOVATIONS TO THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR PUBLIC SPACES, AS WELL AS ASSIGNED VARIANCE. THESE CHANGES WILL IMPROVE THE GUEST EXPERIENCE WHILE ALSO BEING SENSITIVE TO THE ORIGINAL ORIGINAL DESIGN. I WANT TO NOTE THAT WE ARE IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH THE STAFF REPORT AND THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE REMOVAL OF THE GLASS RACK AND STORAGE FOR THE PROPOSED CAFE COUNTER, WHICH MIRIAM WILL ADDRESS. I'D LIKE TO ASK MIRIAM TO COME UP NOW AND WALK YOU THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS. GOOD MORNING, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR THE VERY PRODUCTIVE STAFF REPORT. UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH DAVID AND HER TEAM FOR QUITE A WHILE. SORRY, EXCUSE ME. THE INTRO PART. I AM MIRIAM SI WILL BE THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD ON THIS PROJECT, MY PRACTICE, UM, IN WHICH I'M A PARTNER AND THE DIRECTOR SPECIALIZES IN HOTELS SPECIFICALLY THROUGH THE LENS OF PRESERVATION HISTORY. SO WE ARE VERY DEDICATED TO KEEP OUR ALL HOTELS AND THE ESSENCE OF THERE ARE SO SPECIFICALLY INTO THIS PROJECT. THE, THE BUILDING I WE KNOW IS THE WORK OF MA LAB AND NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED. SO OUR DESIGN INTENT HAS BEEN VERY CAREFUL ON NO MODIFIC MODIFICATIONS TO THE ESSENCE OF THE SPACES. UM, FOR TODAY, WE, WE ARE GONNA PRESENT WHAT THE RENOVATIONS ARE AS ARE VERY MODEST. THEN THE ONE EXTERIOR CHANGE, WHICH IS ONLY ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN, THEY, IT HAVE BEEN IN THE OUTS FOR RECENT TIMES. WE'LL REMEMBER THAT IT'S A VERY NARROW PROPERTY, VERY LONG FACING COLUMNS. AND THEN THE BOARDWALK, OUR PRESENTATION. AND YOU HAVE A MUCH LARGER PACKAGE FOR YOU GUYS TO REVIEW THAN WE ARE PRESENTING DAILY TODAY. UM, OUR APPROACHES THE PRESIDENT HISTORIC COMPANY TO THE EXTENT THEY EXIST TODAY IN THAT EFFECT, WE ARE GONNA, I GONNA WALK UTILIZED THROUGH THE GUEST ARRIVAL INDOOR OUTDOOR SPACES, POOL, AND THE BEACH. IN THE GUEST ARRIVAL AREA, WE HAVE FOUR ELEMENTS OF INTERVENTION. ONE IS WE ARE REPLACING THE EXISTING DRY WITH PERMEABLE PAVERS. AS WE KNOW, THE IMPERIAL SURFACES ARE NOT IDEAL FOR THIS LOCATION. THE, THE SECOND CHANGE IS LINE ITEM B, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE FRONT DESK MILLWORK WHILE WE'RE KEEPING THE LOCATION. CURRENT HOSPITALITY STANDARDS, ONE, A MORE INDIVIDUALIZED EXPERIENCE. SO THE INDIVIDUAL POTS SERVE THE GUESTS BETTER. THE THIRD ONE IS THE INTRODUCTION OF THE LOBBY COUNTER, WHICH IS SHOWN IN THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT AS C. AND THEN LASTLY IS THE INCORPORATION OF A GLASS PARTITION BETWEEN THE REAR OF THIS CAFE COUNTER AND THE SUNKEN LOBBY LOUNGE. UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE DEMOLITION THAT IS BEING PROPOSED, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED DEMO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY PAYMENT TO BE REPLACED. WE HAVE AN EXISTING POP-UP, WHICH IS A SORT OF A COFFEE STAND TOWARDS THE FRONT. WE HAVE, UH, ALSO AN EXISTING DRESSING ROOM THAT WILL BE BOTH REMOVED. UM, THE EXISTING FINISHES OF THE BAR WILL REMAIN AND WE HAVE A, TOWARDS THE ADJACENT TO THE DOT. WITH THE ST IT REFLECTS THE PROPOSED AREA THAT WILL HAVE THE NEW CAFE. THE IMAGES ON THE RIGHT ARE TELLING OF THE INTENTION OF HOW THE NEW DRIVEWAY WILL LOOKING. IT IS INTER INTERLOCKING PER PAPERS. UM, SOMETHING FUN THAT WE ARE ADDING IS THIS JOLLY CAR. THEY, UM, AS YOU KNOW, INSTAGRAM MOMENTS ARE NEEDED IN TODAY'S SPACES. SO IT IS A REMOVAL FEATURE IS NOT A PERMANENT FEATURE. UM, WHICH BY, BY IT ESSENCE OF BEING REMOVAL IS NOT ALTERING THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING. ONE IMPORTANT ELEMENT, AND WE SEE IT IN THE BOTTOM IMAGES, UM, BECAUSE FOR THE CERTAIN REASONS THAT THEY EXPLAINED, WE ARE COMPROMISING OR REAL ESTATE WHERE TO PUT A SIGN TO IDENTIFY THE HOTEL BRAND. WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD IN THE PREVIOUS LOCATION OF THE ARLO SIGNAGE. IT WILL BE THE, THE JAMES HOTEL'S SIGNAGE. UM, WE INCLUDED THIS AS A REFERENCE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO LANDSCAPE WISE, WHICH IS ALL WITHIN NATIVE PLANTS AND FULL LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURAL PLANTS WILL BE PROVIDED ON THE PERMITTING PROCESS. ON THE PLAN. THE NOTES, THE DIFFERENCE OF THE CONTINUOUS RECEPTION DESK INTO RECEPTION POTS WILL BE THREE OF THEM. WE WILL BE ADDING IN [02:15:01] LINE 19 C, THE COFFEE LOUNGE IN ITEM D. WE'LL BE UPDATING THE FINISHES. ONE IMPORTANT THING IS THE, SEE THE, THAT HAS BEEN WHERE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH STAFF AND WE LIMITING THE LEVEL OF TRUCTURE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED. RIGHT? SO BEING FROM BEING INITIALLY A SOLU WALL, NOW IT IS A GLASS WALL AND I UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE CONCERNS WITH WE ARE, WE ARE SHOWING ON IMAGE D AS THE SHELVING IS YOU MOVE ONE MORE PAGE 13 AND 14. IN THIS RENDERING, WE CAN SEE HOW THE GLASS WALL BEHIND THE BAR HAS BEEN INCLUDED FOR SEPARATION, BUT IT'S A VISUAL CONNECTION ESTABLISHED. AND I UNDERSTAND THE SUGGESTION, RECOMMENDATION OF REMOVAL OF THE FRONT STORAGE PIECE BECAUSE THE SPACE IS SO SMALL OPERATIONALLY IS NEEDED. OTHERWISE WE'LL BE NEEDING TWO AT ATTENDANTS EITHER BARISTAS OR TENDERS AND LATER ON NIGHT. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THE SPACE THAT IS PROVIDED TRYING TO BE REDUCING FOOTPRINT DOESN'T REALLY ALLOW FOR TWO OR THREE SERVERS AT THE SAME TIME. ONE THING THAT I THINK WE ARE VERY WILLING AND VERY OPEN TO WORK WITH AT STAFF LEVEL IS THE SIMPLIFICATION OF THAT PROPOSAL. STORAGE, OVERHEAD STORAGE AND PROBABLY THE CHANGE OF MATERIALITY. SO IT IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE TRANSPARENCY THAT IS, UH, DESIRED FOR THIS AREA. THIS IS, THIS USE ARE COURSES FOR INTERIOR DESIGNERS. THEY, THEY KIND OF EXPLAINING WHAT IS THE EFFORT ON HERE AND THEY DESIGN THE PROPOSED WITH THE ORNAMENTAL RACKS IS TRYING TO MAKE REFERENCE TO SOME OF THE LANGUAGE OF MA APPLE. UM, I CAN SEE THAT BEING BUSY PATTERN. SO WE COULD DEFINITELY REVIEW THAT. HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE SEPARATING THE LOUNGE. SO WHAT INITIALLY WAS PROPOSED AS A HARD WALL. THEN AS A GLASS WALL IS NOW GONE AND THEY ARE HAVING CONTINUOUS DRAPES. IT WILL BE THAT A IS NOT A PERMANENT INSTALLATION AND B CAN BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY AS NEEDED OR IF NEEDED ALONG THE SIDE WHERE WE WERE HAVING THE POP-UP OF THE COFFEE SHOP AND THE POP-UP OF THE HEAD DRESSING ROOM. WERE PROVIDING MUCH MORE INTIMATE AREAS. THEY'RE BROKEN DOWN BY SITTING GROUPS AND IT'S ALIGNED WITH ARTWORK. UM, THIS PLACE AS WE MOVE DOWN TO THE PROPERTY IN AREA THREE, WE'RE PROPOSING A CLOSING DOOR-TO-DOOR, UM, RELATIONSHIP. SO WE'RE CALLING THESE THE BAR BALLOONS SALON, WHICH IS TAKING PLACE AS A CURRENT RESTAURANT. IN LINE ITEM E IS A CONFIGURATION OF THE CURRENT RESTAURANT BAR TO PROVIDE MORE OF A SEMI-PRIVATE PRIVATE MEETING ROOM OPTION. BUT IT COULD ALSO BE OPEN IF THERE IS A DEMAND. AND THEN ITEM F WILL BE PROPOSING TO REPLACE EXISTING WINDOWS WITH NEW SLIDING WINDOWS JUST TO CREATE A SENSE OF OPENNESS. VISUALLY IT WILL BE VERY SIMILAR AS WE CAN SHOW IN THE NEXT SLIDE. THE AREA DASHED IN BETWEEN THE NEAR THE ITEMS E ARE WHAT IS BEING REMOVED TO CREATE A PRIVATE DINING. AND THE TOP OF THAT WE ARE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF PLUMBING FIXTURES EVEN BEYOND WHAT IS CALLED REQUIRED JUST TO PROVIDE GUEST EXPERIENCE. UM, THE LINE ITEM F IS WHERE WE ARE PROVIDING THE SLIDING DOORS, WHICH ARE IN THE SAME LOCATION OF CURRENT OPENINGS. IT'S JUST THE OPERATION IS DIFFERENT. THIS IS DEPICTED HERE. THE OPENING DOESN'T CHANGE, IT'S JUST THE OPERATION. THIS IS ALSO CALLED THE SUPER INTERIOR DESIGNERS IS A ARTIST RENDERING OF WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. IT'S VERY CONSISTENT. THE, THE DIFFERENCE IS THE ABILITY TO OPEN THE WINDOWS DURING THE DAY AND HAVE A, A TRUE TRANSITION INDOOR DOORS. AS IT RELATES TO THE CANOPY, UH, WE ARE NOT REPLACING, WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO REMOVE IT. IT WILL REPLACE IN KIND AND THE CURRENT CANVAS IS PRETTY MUCH DATED AND IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACE IN KIND AS WE MOVE DOWN THE PROPERTY. WE ARE IN AREA FOUR, WHICH IS THE POOL AREA. THE, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS TO REFURBISH THE EXISTING POOL CABANAS AND THEY WILL PUT AND THE EXISTING WOOD POOL DECK. YOU CAN SEE AS, YOU KNOW, STONE CAN BE A VERY HARSH ELEMENT AND IT JUST NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. IT WILL BE REPLACING KIND. THEY, WE ARE PROVIDING A NEW LANDSCAPE OFFER WITH BETWEEN THE CABANAS AND THE UH, REST OF THE POOL AREA IS MUCH FOR PRIVACY OF THE CABANAS, BUT IT IS STILL AN OPEN SPACE. I WILL SAY [02:20:01] THE MORE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE ON THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION WILL BE ON LINE ITEM I, WHICH IS EXISTING BAR IS CENTER ON THE PROPERTY. AND THE EFFORT HERE HAS BEEN TO OPEN THE PROPERTY. SO IF WE LOOK INTO THE, INTO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE CAN SEE THAT THE LOCATION IS DEAD CENTER. RIGHT NOW THERE IS ASTROTURF. WE ARE GONNA BE REPLACING THE TURF WITH A, A MORE CONTEMPORARY BUT ALSO PERMEABLE MATERIAL IN WHICH WE'RE CHANGING ASTO TURF WITH GRAVEL. I BELIEVE THAT THE SAMPLES OF THE GRAVEL WERE SENT PROBABLY AT THE END OF LAST YEAR TO GUYS' OFFICE. UM, HERE THE, WHAT I SAY, THE INTENSITY OF CHANGE IS MORE SIGNIFICANT, BUT IT'S ALSO IN OUR OPINION AS QUITE OF AN IMPROVEMENT OF THE USE OF THIS SPACE. WE ARE, WE'RE SPLITTING WHAT WAS IN THE CURRENT BAR, CURRENT LOCATION OF THE BAR, WHICH IS THAT THAT CIRCULAR LINE WITH UM, TWO SEPARATE S THAT ARE OPEN AIR. THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE FULL ENCLOSED STRUCTURES. ONE CONTAINS A BAR WHERE YOU CAN SIT UP AND HAVE A SMALL PLATES OR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS COVER COMMUNAL SEATING. UM, THE CENTER LINE ON THE LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS IS SITTING AREAS, BUT ALSO ARE OPEN NATURE AS WE CAN SEE ON THE, IN THE FOLLOWING IMAGE. THIS IS ALSO, WE'RE PROVID HERE THE REFERENCE OF THE LANDSCAPE DRAWINGS IN WHICH WE, AGAIN, WE ARE MAKING A, A STRONG EFFORT TO WORK WITH NATIVE PLANTS AND TO REUTILIZE IN PLACE EXISTING PLANTING. YOU HAD THAT BEAUTIFUL ONE BOARD WAWE, THE, THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE ARTIST THAT'S PRETTY MUCH TELLING OF OUR VISION AND VERY FAR INTO WHAT WE HAVE SELECTED THIS MATERIAL FOR FFE, THE FFE, ALL THE FURNISHING IS REMO REMOVABLE. SO THERE IS NOT A PERMANENT MODIFICATION. UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE, OOPS. MAY I CONTINUE? HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO YOU NEED FOR THIS? I MEAN LIKE LAST THREE PAGES, TWO MINUTES. YES. OKAY. TWO MINUTES. THE REAR WINDOWS AND THE FIRST FLOOR. AND THEN THERE'S TWO OPENINGS ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT WERE DISCUSSED WITH STAFF IN WHICH WE ARE JUST REPLACING THE EXISTING WINDOWS FOR A DOOR THAT LEADS INTO THEIR TERRA THAT ALREADY EXISTING CAN, BECAUSE PRETTY MUCH WE DESCRIBE. AND THEN LASTLY IS THE SIGNAGE VARIANCE. WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS, UH, A SIGN THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF SIGNAGE FOR A DETACHED SIGN. IT'S KEPT AT THE FIVE FEET DIAMETER, MEANING IT'S HEIGHT WITH COMPLY. AND IT IS A TANGENT TO THE PREVIOUS FOOTPRINT OF THE ARROW SIGN AS IS SHOWN IN THE IMAGE YOU GOT. I'M OBVIOUSLY HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE INTO WHAT IS INTENDED DESIGN. GREAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE UM, ANY QUESTIONS. WE WILL ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE PROJECT OR THE VARIANCE. OKAY. UH RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, GOOD. UM, I I NOTICED THAT YOU HAVE LIKE A DOUBLE ENTRY COMING IN FROM THE BEACH WALK. MM-HMM . IS THAT MEANING THAT NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, THAT AREA OPEN TO PEOPLE COMING IN FROM THE BEACH WALK TO UTILIZE THE RESTAURANT AND WHATNOT, WHICH CURRENTLY YOU DO NOT HAVE. RIGHT NOW THERE IS A DOOR THAT IS USUALLY IN AN OPEN POSITION DURING THE DAY HOURS AND IT'S CLOSED AT NIGHT. IT HAS A PANIC HARDWARE TO GO OUT AS A MEANS OF EGRESS. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A DOOR AT THE EXISTING LOCATION AND THAT ALLOWS ACCESS FROM ANY PATRON THAT WILL USE THE BAR LOOM BEACH SIDE. HOWEVER IT RESTRICTS TO AFTER HOURS ONLY ACCESSIBLE BY GUEST. RIGHT. YEAH. WITH ANY OF THESE BUILDINGS ALONG COLLINS AVENUE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY LONG AND NARROW. YES. . SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT WHEN YOU WALK IN THE FRONT DOOR, YOU HAVE TO WALK ALMOST ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK TO GET TO THE RESTAURANT. MM-HMM . WHICH ALWAYS MADE THEM SOMEWHAT UNPOPULAR. UM, AND I THINK YOUR USE OF COLOR AND EVERYTHING COMING IN THAT STEP DOWN AREA IS ALWAYS BEEN SORT OF A NUISANCE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. MM-HMM . AND I DO HOPE THAT THE JAMES HOTEL THE THIRD TIME IS, IS A, A A A GOOD PLUS FOR THEM. 'CAUSE THEY STARTED OFF TRYING TO BUILD 21ST STREET MM-HMM . WHERE THE BUG IS NOW. AND THEN THEY WENT INTO, UM, THE ROYAL PALM AND LEFT THERE AND NOW THEY'RE GONNA COME TO YOU AND LET'S HOPE THAT THIS WORKS OUT WELL THERE. HAVING A CHARM, . ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UM, OF THE APPLICANT? WELL, UM, SEEING NONE, UH, WE WILL THEN GO TO BOARD. YES. ARE YOU GONNA BE CLOSED DURING THE RENOVATION? SORRY. [02:25:02] HMM. I COULDN'T YOU WILL, WILL YOU BE CLOSED DURING THE RENOVATION? NO, WE'LL BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH OUR FARM MARSHALS AND PLANNING. I'M SORRY, DIDN'T HEAR WILL BE TO PROVIDE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE CLOSED. CERTAIN AREAS WILL BE CLOSED BUT WILL ALLOW FULL. SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA TOTALLY CLOSE LIKE THE SHELBOURNE DID? NO, NOT AT ALL. 'CAUSE WHAT WE ARE DOING IN THE GUEST TOWER, WHICH IS NOT SUBJECT OF PRESENTATION, IT'S MOSTLY COSMETIC IMPROVEMENTS. SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE FULL CLOSURE. WE ARE WILLING TO BE WORKING WITH WHAT'S DEFINED AS BUFFER FLOORS FOR, FROM A FIRE PREVENTION PERSPECTIVE. OKAY. THANK YOU HASCO? YES. UH, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. WHY DO YOU SEE THE NEED TO EXTEND BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE FOR YOUR SIGNAGE? WHAT HAPPENS IS FIVE FOOT TALL SPHERES. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS BECAUSE WE CANNOT PUT USUALLY SIGNAGE CODE IN THE CANOPY, WE OBVIOUSLY NEED TO MAINTAIN THE SIGNAGE. SO WHAT WE ARE HAVING IS AN ISSUE OF WHERE TO PUT THE SIGN. MOST OF THAT ENTRANCE IS NEEDED FOR THE, THE VEHICLE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY FOR THE DROP OFF AREA. SO WE ARE LEFT WITH A VERY SMALL LANDSCAPE BUFFER. THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO PUT THE SIGN. IF IT GETS TOO MUCH BEHIND, THEN IT'S COVERED BY AN EXISTING COLOR AND EXISTING PLANTING. SO WE'RE PRETTY MUCH MIMICKING THE PREVIOUS ARLOW SIGNAGE. I'M JUST GOING BY YOUR RENDERING. AND THE COLUMN LOOKS TO BE FIVE FEET BEHIND THE PROPERTY LINE, RIGHT? YOU'RE RENDERING ON UM, YEAH. CAN WE PUT THE PRESENTATION BACK ON PAGE OH ONE AREA ONE? YEAH. YES. SO LET'S, SO THAT COLUMN'S TO THE RIGHT AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY, UH, I CAN'T SEE IT. YOUR STAMP IS ON THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT IT'S A BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY LINE. YES. HENCE, HENCE THE VARIANCE REQUEST. WHY CAN YOU NOT JUST SIMPLY PUSH THAT BACK BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE AND MAINTAIN YOUR SIGNAGE ON THE PROPERTY LINE, NOT ENCROACH INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE IT WILL ENCROACH AND THERE REQUIRE SPACE FOR THE VEHICLE ACCESS. SO WHAT WE ARE, WE'RE LOOK THAT LINE THAT REPRESENTS THE END OF THE PAVING AND THE CURB THAT IS EXISTING LANDSCAPE BUFFER AS IT IS TODAY. CAN YOU USE THE CURSOR TO POINT OUT YES. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EXACTLY. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. MUCH TALLER . UM, THIS EXACT, THIS CURVE LINE REPRESENTS THIS BEHIND THE ARLO. SO THAT DRIVEWAY IS IN THE NARROWER SIDE AND IT CAN GET VERY BUSY. IF WE CAN FURTHER ENCROACH INTO THAT SPACE WITH THE SIGNAGE, IT WILL BE A NEGATIVE INTERVENTION ON THE HOW IT OPERATES. IF WE WERE TO KEEP THE SIGNAGE ON THIS SIDE, IT GETS VERY FAR FROM HOW TO PERCEIVE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE PERSPECTIVE OF PEOPLE THAT IS COMING IN. I JUST WANNA SAY I SUPPORT EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING. I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT THIS IDEA OF I'M VERY MUCH AGAINST GETTING INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. MM-HMM . WITH NEW FEATURES OF THE BUILDING. YES SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, ELIZABETH. SO, UH, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PAVING THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR THE DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT? SURELY BECAUSE JUST LIKE THE SCALE, 'CAUSE THE PICTURE YOU SHOWED, IT'S NOT YEP. CORRELATES TO THE FAR PLAN. YEP. SO WE CAN ALSO LEAVE THE, THE SCALE IS PRESENTED WELL HERE. OKAY. SO WELL WE SAW THE, THE, THE UNEVEN OF THE CASE. WE ARE TRYING TO BE MORE PLAYFUL AS IN HAVING THE SAME CONSISTENT PAVERS. THE INTERLOCKING PATTERN ALLOWS FOR THIS WRITTEN AND THEN THE INTENTION IS TO HAVE GREENERY COMING THROUGH. WE WANTED TO WORK REALLY WITH LARGER PAVERS. SO THE AREA OF GREEN, UH, A MORE PERMEABLE SURFACE WILL BE LARGER, BUT WE NEEDED THE PAPER SURFACE TO HAVE GOOD TRACTION FOR VEHICLE. RIGHT. SO THEN THIS DRAWING IS NOT IN SCALE. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME. THE OTHER ONE IS MORE IN TUNE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO. AND LET ME, I CAN SHOW YOU TO PUT AT IT. RIGHT. IT'S 13. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THE SCALE OF IT IS VERY CLOSE PAVING. MM-HMM . AND THEN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN. UM, THE INTENT HERE WITH INCREASING THE SCALE IS TO ALSO BE ABLE TO INCREASE THE LENGTH OF THE GREENER. OTHERWISE IT'LL BE VERY CHOPPED. RIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS RELATED TO THE BACK AREA WHERE YOU HAVE CURRENTLY THE BAR, THE TRI DEMOLISH AND HAVING TWO SIDE BARS. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA TO OPEN THE VIEW OF THE BEACH. SO I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT YOUR DECISION [02:30:01] ON HAVING THE CRUSHED GRANITE OR MARBLE FOR THE SURFACE AND ON THE MAINTENANCE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANY FLOODING EVERY SO OFTEN RAINS HARD AND WHERE ALL THESE LITTLE CRUSHED STONES WILL END UP AFTER A STORM. MM-HMM . SO WHAT THE IDEA WE USE IN THE CRUSHED STORM IS THAT IT'S A COMMON MATERIAL USED FOR JUST MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION. IT HAS ENOUGH WAY TO HOLD DURING RAIN. IT HAS ALSO ENOUGH DENSITY TO ALLOW FOR PERMEABILITY. SO FROM A ALSO A SUSTAINABLE SPECIALIST, UM, ALONG WITH PRESERVATION. SO WHAT THE IDEA OF THE GRANULAR NATURE OF IT IS A BETTER DRAINAGE SURFACE. IT TENDS NOT TO GO INTO YOUR DRAINAGE. IT TENDS TO STAY IN PLACE. BUT JUST LET THE WATER COME THROUGH. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? UM, ALRIGHT, WITH THAT WE HAVE, UM, BOARD DISCLOSURES. DID ANYBODY SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT OR ANYBODY RELATED TO THIS? NO, NEITHER. NEITHER DID I. SO WE'LL GO RIGHT TO, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT. ROGER, I'M ROGER AGAIN. UH, MARILYN'S, UH, MARILYN, UH, I MOVED, UH, MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE AND BASICALLY WE, WE SUPPORT THE PROJECT. IT'S UH, JUST SUBJECT TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WE THINK ARE GOOD. AND, UH, WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONTINUED INVESTMENT INTO THE, UH, CONTRIBUTING BUILDING DESIGN BY ALBERTAS AND, UH, MORRIS. LEVI. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, ANYONE ON ZOOM WISHING TO COMMENT PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT, SO, UM, NOW WE HAVE, UH, BOARD MEMBER COMMENT. I'LL GO DOWN THE LINE. UM, UH, LINDSAY, CAN I START WITH YOU OR YOU? NO. OKAY. RAY, CAN I START WITH YOU? UH, YOU'VE SAID I, I, I MEAN I REALLY LIKE THE, THE RETRO LOOK, THE BRIGHT COLORS AND WHATNOT. I MEAN, SO MANY HOTELS NOW ARE GOING TO THE VERY MONOTONE AND, AND TO ME WALKING INTO THAT WOULD, WOULD BE VERY REFRESHING. UM, I DUNNO HOW COMFORTABLE ALL THOSE CHAIRS WOULD BE, BUT I'M SURE I'D FIND ONE THAT I COULD SIT IN WHO WOULD BE COMFORTABLE. AND I, I THINK THAT THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB IN TRYING TO, UM, REIMAGINE WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH A VERY LONG, DEEP STRUCTURE LIKE THIS HOTEL IS. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. RIGHT. COOL. I I LIKE THE RE UH, THE RENOVATION, THE PROPOSED RENOVATION, THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE. LIKE I SAID, YOU'RE ENCROACHING ESSENTIALLY TWO AND A HALF FEET BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE. AND I DON'T WANNA SET A PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, TODAY IT'S TWO, TOMORROW IT'S THREE NEXT WEEK AT SEVEN. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT SET WITHIN YOUR PROPERTY LINE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ELIZABETH, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? UM, I'LL GO LAST YOU . I THINK YOU ARE LAST. LINDSAY, I KNOW. LINDSAY, ARE YOU GETTING CLOSE TO BEING, TO GATHERING YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS? NO. OKAY. I'LL, I'LL, I'LL GO. I'LL JUST, I JUST HAD, UM, UH, TO HASKELL'S TO HASKELL'S POINT MAYBE TO BRING DEBBIE INTO THIS QUESTION. 'CAUSE THE STAFF I THOUGHT HAD A, A CONVINCING KIND OF ARGUMENT ABOUT THE VARIANCE QUESTION. AND, UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF MAYBE YOU COULD PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, OF YOUR THINKING OUT THERE FOR US. SURE. SO THIS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY CHALLENGING SITE FOR, FOR SIGNAGE, UM, INVISIBILITY AS A LOT OF OUR OCEAN FRONT PROPERTIES ARE. BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, THEY HAVE VERY SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC SIGNAGE, UM, BOTH ON THE BUILDING AND ON THE PORTICO SHARE. UH, WE HAD INITIALLY SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT MAYBE CHANGING THE PORTICO SHARE SIGNAGE, WHICH STAFF EXPRESSED SERIOUS CONCERN ABOUT, UM, I THINK WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE THIS SIGN. UM, AND THE APPLICANT WAS VERY RESPECTFUL OF OUR OPINION AND THE HISTORIC SIGN. UM, AND SO DETERMINED THAT A DETACHED SIGN WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO GO. NOW THERE IS A PORTION OF THE SIGN THAT IS SHOWN PROJECTING PAST THEIR PROPERTY LINE. STAFF WAS NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. NUMBER ONE, THIS COULD NOT BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS REQUIRES REVOCABLE PERMIT BY PUBLIC WORKS. THERE ARE MANY OF THESE PERMITS THAT WERE GRANT HAVE BEEN GRANTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY. IT'S ACTUALLY APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION. PUBLIC WORKS MAKES A, A RECOMMENDATION. UM, THERE'S AN EXISTING PLANTER ELEMENT THERE. SO THERE'S ALREADY AN ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT THAT IS MAINTAINED BY THE PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY PORTION. AND SO I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE WEREN'T TAKING AWAY ANY SORT OF, UM, UH, PUBLIC [02:35:01] AMENITY HERE BECAUSE THE PLANTER IS ALREADY THERE. WE'RE NOT ENCROACHING INTO THE SIDEWALK OR THE CIRCULATION, UM, WITHIN THE SECTION OF COLLINS AVENUE. SO WE WERE SUPPORTIVE OF IT. WE DO BELIEVE IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST LOCATION FOR A NEW SIGN. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE ALSO BE HAPPY TO TRY TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO SHIFT IT EASTWARD. UM, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY, ANY CONCERNS ABOUT IT OTHER THAN IT WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO BE REVIEWED BY PUBLIC WORKS AND THEN ULTIMATELY A REVOCABLE PERMIT ISSUED BY THE CITY COMMISSION. RIGHT. AND, UM, I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, ABOUT THE, THE OVERHEAD BAR. I THINK THERE WAS A NEW RENDERING THAT WE SAW. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT, IT SEEMED TO HAVE LESS OF, OF THE CIRCULAR DETAILS ON IT THAT THE OVERHEAD BOTTLE STORAGE AS, AS IT WAS CALLED. UH, YEAH, WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TRYING TO PRESERVE THAT KIND OF THE VISUAL CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THE, THE SPACE. UM, ULTIMATELY I THINK WE COULD WORK WITH THE ARCHITECT. THEY'RE A VERY TALENTED TEAM. UH, VERY AGREEABLE AND RESPECTFUL TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT HAS MORE TRANSPARENCY IF, IF THE BOARD SHALL CHOOSE, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. THANK YOU. LINDSAY COMMENT, MAYBE EVEN A QUESTION. UM, SO I, I WAS JUST KIND FLIPPING THROUGH HER MAKING SURE I DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING. UM, SO I'LL START WITH COMMENT. ADMITTEDLY, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY ONE OF MY FAVORITE LOBBIES AND HOTELS ON THE BEACH. IT'S, UM, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S, IT HAS SIGNIFICANT MEANING FOR ME FOR LOTS OF REASONS. MM-HMM . UM, I ACTUALLY HAD DINNER THERE AS RECENTLY AS LIKE TWO OR THREE MONTHS AGO. UM, I GOTTA SAY I'M NOT REAL THRILLED WITH THE BAR CLOSING OFF THAT OPENING RIGHT THERE. I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK MAKES THAT LOBBY. I MEAN, ANYTIME I DESCRIBE IT, AND I THINK I HAVE A LIST OF PLACES TO GO ON MY BEACH, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I SAY. SO YOU WALK IN, YOU SEE THE SUNKEN BAR AND LIKE THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT YOU SEE. SO I'M STRUGGLING A LOT WITH THE CLOSING OFF OF THAT IN THE INTERIOR LOBBY. UM, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, STAFF'S REPORT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IN THE 1950S THIS IS THE STANDARD OF, UH, ACCOMMODATIONS AND NOW THAT IT'S CHANGED, UM, THAT'S A STRUGGLE FOR ME. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, RIGHT, WE'RE LOSING THE, THE VISUAL EVEN ABOVE AND OVER THE BAR. UM, WHAT I DIDN'T SEE, AND PERHAPS I MISSED IT SO SOMEONE CAN POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. DID WE HAVE ANY HISTORIC PHOTOS OF THE LOBBY INTERIOR, YOUR APPLICANT OR HISTORIC RESOURCES REPORT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? JUST A FLOOR PLAN, YEAH. OKAY. IN THE, IN THE LAST, ONE OF THE LAST IMAGES THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PRINTOUTS, IT IS THE HISTORICAL FLOOR PLAN, WHICH IS NOT THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION. SO THAT CIRCULAR SUNKEN BAR IS A DIFFERENT GEOMETRY THAT WE USED TO EXIST. OKAY. OKAY. ONE, I, I WANTED TO RESPOND IF I MAY, TO THE LOCATION BAR. I DON'T KNOW IT'S APPROPRIATE TIME THOUGH. YEAH. OKAY. THE, THAT COFFEE LOUNGE, IT IS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING POP-UP THAT IS NEAR THE GLASS WALL, WHICH WE DON'T SINK IS OVER. WE DESIGN IT, IT LITTLE LOOKS LIKE A TEMPORARILY CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? SO THERE IS A NEED TO HAVE A COFFEE AREA FOR GUESTS AND HOTEL TODAY, HOTEL STANDARDS. SO IN TRYING TO PLACE AN ELEMENT IN THIS VERY OPEN SPACE, WE EXPLORE MANY LOCATIONS, THREE DIMENSIONALLY. AND WE THOUGHT THAT BECAUSE IT'S NET NESTED BETWEEN THE COLUMNS MIGHT BE THE BEST APPROACH. UM, THEY HAD SHARED WITH US ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ONE THAT WILL BE AROUND A COLUMN, BUT IT WILL THROW IT OFF CENTER. AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER TO KEEP THE VERY CENTER LINE ACTUAL DESIGN. UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE OVERHEAD, LIKE I MENTIONED THE, MY INITIAL PRESENTATION WE'RE VERY OPEN TO WORK WITH DEBBIE STAFF. WE HAVE IN THE PAST, AND IF I'M, IF I'M NOT MISTAKE, MY FIRST CALL ON THIS PROJECT WAS A CALL TO DAVID'S OFFICE. I ACTUALLY SIT IN THE SIMILAR BOARD THAN YOU GUYS DO TODAY IN NEW ORLEANS. SO WE'RE VERY, VERY, UM, PRO PRESERVATION IN OUR PRACTICE. THANK YOU, ELIZABETH. YES. UH, SO JUST SIGNING WITH RAY, I REALLY LIKE THE, THE NEW, THE, THE COLLAR CHOSEN AND THE TRYING TO REVIVE BRINGING BACK THE, THE VIBRANCY OF THE PAST OF THE LOBBY. SO I, I REALLY ENJOY THAT. UM, REGARDING THE BAR, I WOULD, I THINK IT'D BE VERY BENEFICIAL IF YOU COULD REMOVE THE RACK AT LEAST ON THE FRONT, THE SIDE, SINCE THEY ARE COVERED IN BETWEEN THE COLUMN AND THE STRUCTURAL ELEMENT, IT'S NO BIG DEAL. MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE THIS EVEN A LITTLE BIGGER TO GAIN SOME EXTRA STORAGE SPACE, BUT IF YOU COULD KEEP THE OPENNESS AND THE ABILITY TO SEE THROUGH FROM FRONT TO BACK AS YOU WALK INTO THE HOTEL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY, UM, IMPORTANT [02:40:01] FEATURE TO ADD TO MM-HMM . THE CURRENT DESIGN. AND, UM, I'M STILL A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THE CRUSH GRANITE IN THE BACK BECAUSE IT'S A VERY LARGE AREA AND THERE IS FURNITURE SITTING ON TOP OF THIS CRUTCH, GRANITE, AND AS YOU KNOW, IT MOVES WITH WEIGHT AND THEN CHAIRS START WOBBLED TABLES WOBBLE. SO I SEE THAT KIND OF A MAINTENANCE NIGHTMARE FOR THE MANAGEMENT. MM-HMM . SO THAT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION TO MAYBE EXPLORE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE WILL GIVE THE PERMEABILITY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT WOULD WORK A LITTLE BIT BETTER WITH, UH, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AND THE FURNITURE THAT DON'T ACTUALLY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. . ALRIGHT. UH, WITH THAT, WE'VE HAD, UM, BOARD MEMBER COMMENT AND, UM, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO, UM, WE, WE NEED, LEMME JUST CLARIFY BEFORE WE START. OH YES, GO AHEAD. I WAS GONNA JUST CLARIFY THAT WE NEED TWO VOTES AND WE NEED, UM, HOW MANY VOTES DO WE NEED TO PASS THE, UM, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS? YEAH, THERE'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF DEMOLITION, SO WE NEED FIVE FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND THEN IT WOULD BE FIVE AND THEN FIVE FOR THE VARIANCE. FOR THE VARIANCE. EVEN WITH A SHORT BOARD. YES. OKAY. YES. LINDSAY, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OH, YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION? NO, I, WELL I WAS GONNA SUGGEST, BECAUSE I, I KIND OF KNOW WHERE I'M STANDING AT THE MOMENT. SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE ACTUALLY VOTE OR SHOULD WE STRAW POLL IT? WE CAN STRAW POLL. UM, WOULD IT BE OKAY WITH THAT? DO YOU WANT THE STRAW POLL ON THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE? YEAH, SO CAN WE SURE. UM, WELL, I, I WOULD START WITH THE VARI. CAN WE START WITH THE VARIANCE? OR WE CAN START WITH THE VARIANCE. OKAY. SO STRAW POLL AND THE VARIANCE. STRAW POLL. AND THE VARIANCE. THEN I, I WOULD SUPPORT THE VARIANCE. OKAY. I WOULD SUPPORT THE VARIANCE. I NOT SUPPORT THE VARI. OKAY. AND HOW SCHOOL DOES NOT SUPPORT. SO HE'S NO ON THE VARIANCE. OKAY. STRAW HOLE. AND THEN THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE DEMOLITION AND THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE, IN THE PUBLIC INTERIOR STRAW POLL. YES. PLEASE START, I'M A NO NO. THEN DO WE NEED TO GO FURTHER GO, I MEAN , I MEAN, HOW, HOW MUCH DO WE NEED TO GO? YES, YES, YES. I, I'M A YES. YES. YOU'RE A YES AND YOU'RE A NO. ALRIGHT, SO, UM, OUR OPTIONS ARE GO AHEAD LINDSAY. YEAH. LIKE OUR OPTIONS ARE, OPTIONS ARE TO, UH, WE COULD, WE COULD ALSO DO WHAT WE DID BEFORE, WHICH IS SAY WE WILL WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A MORE OF A BOARD, UH, TOGETHER. AND, AND CAN WE, BUT CAN WE DO THAT? I HAVE TO ASK NICK IF THAT'S OKAY. ON A, ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, CAN WE, BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT PROPO APPLICATION THAN WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT EARLIER. I WOULD LIKE TO BE, TO WEIGH IN, BUT I WOULD FIRST SAY THAT THE BOARD HAS AUTHORITY TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS. RIGHT. SO IF THERE IS A PARTICULAR CONDITION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE HERE, OF COURSE YOU CAN IMPOSE THAT CONDITION ON YOUR APPROVAL AS LONG AS IT IS WITHIN THE, THE, THE SCOPE OF YOUR REVIEW CRITERIA. SO YOU COULD PROVE, YOU COULD CONCEIVABLY APPROVE A VARIANCE WITHOUT, BUT, BUT SAY THAT THE, THE SIGN CANNOT BE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY, WHICH MEANS THERE REALLY IS NO VARIANCE. IS THAT YOU CAN'T, NO. THERE THERE'S STILL A VARIANCE 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE AT THE PROPERTY LOT 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE AT THE PROPERTY IT'S REQUIRED TO BE AT FIVE FEET. WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD ACCEPT IF WE MOVED IT? SO THERE'S NOTHING OVER THE, THE SIGN IS NOT OVER THE PROPERTY LINE. OKAY. SO MAYBE WE CAN, MAYBE WE CAN, UM, MOVE AND OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY ELSE WAS OKAY WITH IT. SO IF, CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE VARIANCE THAT WOULD SATISFY EVERYBODY? WOULD YOU LINDSAY, ABOUT THE VARIANCE QUESTION. OKAY. YEAH. AND IT'S KIND OF FOR THE APPLICANT, I MEAN, KIND OF IS THAT WORKABLE? IF WE HAD MORE OF A FULL, FULL BOARD? YOU MIGHT GET IT'S, IT'S UP TO YOU, RIGHT? IT'S UP TO YOU. RIGHT. IT'S, WE HAVE MORE OF FULL BOARD. YOU MIGHT GET THE VARIANCE AS REQUESTED NOW. UM, AND SO I, YOU KNOW, NOT TO SAY IF, IF LET BEFORE WE EVEN POSE THAT AS A REAL QUESTION. UM, NICK, IS THAT A REAL POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD DO WHAT WE DID WITH THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TODAY AND SAY WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO, UH, CONTINUE UNTIL WE HAVE A, A FULL BOARD IN MAY? FOR EXAMPLE, MAY OR JUNE. MAY OR JUNE. YOU, YOU COULD, DO YOU, DO YOU FIRST WANT TO HEAR FROM I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF IT WAS A POSSIBILITY. YEAH, YOU COULD. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO I THINK WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY'D LIKE TO BE VOTED NOW WITH THE AMENDMENT, GIVEN WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW ARE WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A FULL BOARD TO VOTE AGAINST. YEAH, I'M SORRY. DAVID. COO WITH L IS AT 200 SOUTH BISCAYNE BOULEVARD ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE NEED FIVE VOTES TO APPROVE THEIR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND, AND FIVE OH VOTES TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE. [02:45:01] AND WE HAD STARTED WITH THE VARIANCE, WHICH WAS EASIER AND THE VICE CHAIR IS NOT AT SUPPORT AT THIS MOMENT. SO YEAH, WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO, TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING IF POSSIBLE. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE A THOUGHT. UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT, FOR INSTANCE, IN OUR REVIEW OR IN THE AUDIENCE WITH OFTEN, WHICH IS AN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OR PROVIDES, THAT IS AT THE DESIGN LEVEL, THE ARCHITECT IS COMMITTED TO INTRODUCE AND WORK WITH THE STAFF LEVEL TO GET IT TO COMPLETION. AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I MENTIONED THAT IS BECAUSE THE SCHEDULING IMPACT YES. THAT THIS WILL FURTHER DELAY THE PERMITTING PROCESS. THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE VARIANCE. WE'RE CLOSER ON THE VARIANCE SO WE COULD GET THE VARIANCE IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO MOVE THE SIGN, UM, ONTO THE PROPERTY LINE, LIKE JUST A LITTLE BIT CLOSER IN. DEFINITELY. AND, AND THEN WE COULD, WE COULD DO THAT. AND THEN I THINK WE CAN WORK ON THE, ON THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WITH DETAILS. YEAH. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE COULD REQUEST 'CAUSE THEY DON'T SEEM YOU HAVE SUCH A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH STAFF, IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE TOLD AND AGREED WHAT THIS WOULD OKAY, LINDSAY. AND SO I, AND SO I THINK, AND, AND I'M NOT LOOKING TO HOLD YOU GUYS UP AT ALL. I, I JUST, I'M, I'M REALLY STRUGGLING AGAIN. I I EXPRESSED IT EARLIER LIKE WHAT YOU, YOU WERE LOSING THAT WALK-IN THAT GRANDER THE, I MEAN, QUITE FRANKLY IN, IN MY OPINION, THAT'S WHY I THINK THEY'D BE WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF ON, ON THAT IF YOU, BECAUSE STAFF HAD HAD RECOMMENDATIONS IN LINE WITH THAT, I THINK. RIGHT. BUT I, I MEAN, I, I MEAN, MY PART IS, IS THAT I THINK THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF WERE TO TALKING ABOUT NOT HAVING THE UPPER, BUT NOT NECESSARILY RE NOT HAVING THE COFFEE BAR THERE AT ALL. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH. BUT WE WE CAN CER I'M SORRY, INTERRUPT, SORRY. WE CAN CERTAINLY, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT ELIMINATING THE RACK AND PERHAPS PUTTING IT TO THE SIDES, WHICH IS, DOESN'T IMPACT THE, THE VIEW CORRIDOR. UM, BUT IN TERMS OF WITHOUT THAT RACK AND HAVING THE BAR, THE BAR COUNTER THERE, THERE'S STILL, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL GLASS BEHIND IT. SO YOU CAN SEE DIRECTLY THROUGH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL THE RENDERING UP, BUT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE, THE DESIGN OF THE CEILING IN THE BAR YOU CAN SEE DIRECTLY THROUGH. SO WE, WE WOULD BE IMMUTABLE TO, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH STAFF TO, TO MODIFY THAT OVERHANG, UM, GLASS RAG. AND I'M, LET ME, LET ME JUST ASK ABOUT, UH, LINDSAY'S COMMENT TO STAFF BECAUSE, UH, I DON'T THINK YOU HAD AN OBJECTION AND I DIDN'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THERE BEING A COFFEE BAR THERE. IT WAS THE VISUAL, UM, IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION OR SOMEHOW WE COULD, WE WOULD HAVE A A GROUNDS FOR KIND OF SAYING THIS IS NOT WHERE THAT COFFEE BAR SHOULD BE. YOU KNOW, STAFF WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THE, WITH THE COFFEE BAR AS LONG AS THAT VISUAL CONNECTIVITY REMAINED, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE UPPER PORTION, WE THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT KIND OF VIEW SHED THROUGH, THROUGH THE SPACE. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T NORMALLY LOOK LOW TO LOOK THROUGH A SITE. YOU, YOU HOLD YOUR HEAD UP. UM, SO WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE BAR, UM, COUNTER THERE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE REMOVAL OF THE UPPER PORTION. RIGHT. AND, AND REDESIGNING THE SIDE RACKS TO ACCOMMODATE MORE STORAGE. RIGHT. I THINK LINDSAY, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PROVIDE MORE DATA OR DETAILS AS TO WHY YOU, YOU, YOU COUNTER STAFF'S PROFESSIONAL OPINION ABOUT THIS , I MEAN, I'M IN TROUBLE. I, AND I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT HISTORIC RESOURCES OR HISTORIC PHOTOS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT THEY DON'T EXIST SO, SO LONG AS I'VE KNOWN IT, IT'S, I MEAN YES, THERE'S THE VIEW, BUT I MEAN, YOU WALK IN, SO I MEAN YES, REMOVING THE OVERHEAD WOULD VIEW, BUT YOU WALK STRAIGHT IN AND YOU GO, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE, I MEAN ON, I HAVE ACTUALLY STAYED IN THE HOTEL, UM, STRANGELY ENOUGH , UM, AND MY FRIENDS HAD A, YOU KNOW, THEIR BACHELOR WRAP PARTY DOWN HERE. AND I WAS LIKE, WHY AM I PAYING TO STAY IN A HOTEL WHEN I LIVE FOUR BLOCKS AWAY? BUT NONETHELESS I DID. UM, BUT UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GO IN IT'S GRAND OPENING THAT YOU WALK INTO THE BAR, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAYBE THERE'S A PROGRAMMATIC NEED ASIDE FROM THE COFFEE BAR WHY YOU'RE TRYING TO CLOSE THAT SIDE OFF. BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S A LOSS THAT THAT'S ME. AND I MEAN, AND, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THAT'S WHY THE PUBLIC INTERIORS, MAY I RESPOND TO FOLLOW ADDRESS? CAN WE JUST PULL UP THE RENDERING JUST, AND TRY TO TRY TO ENVISION THAT RENDERING WITHOUT THE, THE WINE RACK. YOU COULD REALLY SEE STRAIGHT THROUGH, AS THEY SAID, YOU CAN SEE THE CEILING. I, I JUST THINK HER POINT IS THAT A, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO WALK STRAIGHT THROUGH. MM-HMM. BUT I I I'M NOT SURE YOU'D BE ABLE TO WALK STRAIGHT THROUGH EVEN IF THAT WASN'T THERE, ISN'T THERE A, A CHANGE IN ELEVATION? THERE'S IT'S STEPS DOWN, BUT YEAH. BUT YOU WALK IN AND DOWN. YEAH. RIGHT. SO, WHICH WE ARE KEEPING THAT IN PLACE. WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING THE STEPS. WE'RE NOT INTERRUPTING ONLY FROM THAT POINT OF THE CENTER ACT. ONE THING THAT IS IMPORTANT AS PRESERVATION IS WE STRUGGLE MANY TIMES IS BRINGING CURRENT GUEST EXPECTATIONS OF A HOTEL AND MAINTAINING THE SIGNIFICANT SPACES OR THE CONTRIBUTING ELEMENTS [02:50:01] INSIDE A HISTORIC PLACE. SO WE WERE TRYING TO FIND THAT BALANCE AND WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH DEBBIE AND HER TEAM INTO FINDING A WAY THAT THE BAR, WE STILL ALLOW FOR TRANSPARENCY INTO THE SPACE AND VISUAL ACCESS TO THE SPACE. IT YES, I UNDERSTAND. IS THERE, I GUESS THE, YOU HAVE THE, YOU, YOU HAVE THE BAR ON THE, DO YOU HAVE THIS, CAN YOU PUT IT UP THE PLAN? UH, UH, THE PLAN UP? YES. UH, YEAH, THERE YOU GO. SO YOU HAVE THE, THE NEW, THE NEW BAR. MM-HMM. RIGHT. MAYBE. YEAH. SO WHERE, WHERE LINDSAY'S MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER WAY THAT, THAT, UM, EXISTING BAR ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT SPACE, YOU HAVE IT THERE. UM, THE EXISTING BAR RIGHT ABOVE D YEAH, YEAH. THAT BAR EXISTS NOW. EXACTLY. BUT THAT CAN BE ENHANCED TO ACCOMMODATE THE COFFEE, UM, AS WELL. YES AND NO. IF YOU THINK ABOUT MOST HOTELS, YOU GRAB COFFEE ON THE GO, YOU MIGHT, I I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS BETWEEN GETTING THIS DONE TODAY YEAH. OR WAITING. YEAH. POTENTIALLY WAITING TO GET IT DONE A LITTLE BIT LATER. I'M TRYING TO KINDA FIGURE OUT OTHER WAYS THAT YOU, IF YOU WANTED TO WORK WITH STAFF. MAYBE THERE'S A, THERE'S NOT THAT GRAY BOX UP THERE. CAN YOU MOVE THE CURSOR JUST A BIT? . OKAY. UM, SO JUST TO THE LEFT OF THE D THERE'S A, COULD THE COFFEE BAR GO TO THE LEFT? UM, JUST SHIFT UP TO THE NORTH. SO IT'S BETWEEN THE COLUMN AND THE, SO BETWEEN HERE AND YEAH, RIGHT THERE. RIGHT IN THERE. UH, RIGHT IN THERE. AND THEN BE A MORE CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH THE OTHER BAR. WOULD THAT WORK FOR YOU? YEAH. I WISH I HAD BROUGHT MY SKETCHES OF WHEN WE WERE DEVELOPING. WE, I PROMISE YOU WE PLACE IT THERE. IT LOOKS SO OFF CENTER BECAUSE WE HAVE THE VERY EX EXCEL APPROACH TO ENTER THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE SPACE. SO PUTTING SOMETHING THAT WAS SO OFF CENTER TO ONE CORNER, OKAY. IT LOST THE BALANCE OF THE SPACE. I UNDERSTAND. WHAT WE WERE TRYING WAS TO RECREATE, OR NOT NECESSARILY RECREATE, BUT LIKE RESPECT THAT ACTUAL NATURE. AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO BALANCE IT. I UNDERSTAND. SO WHAT'S CURRENTLY TO THE LA TO THE RIGHT OF THE RECEPTION DESK. HOLD ON. THERE IS LIKE THE RECEPTION DESK. THERE IS A GLASS AREA. THINK IN DOUBLE DOORS TO THE CAR HERE. YEAH. WHAT'S IN THERE RIGHT NOW? UM, THIS IS SORT OF A MILL WALL RIGHT NOW IS ART. SO IF YOU WOULD LOCATE YOUR BAR LIKE SOMEWHAT CONTIGUOUS TO THE CHECK-IN THE RECEPTION DESK, WOULD THAT BE WE COOL? I DON'T WANNA, I I'M SORRY, I DON'T WANNA PLAY DESIGN. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. I APOLOGIZE FOR IT. I DON'T LIKE DOING THIS, BUT WE JUST, THE REASON WHY IT'S NOT PROPOSED THERE IS THE LEVEL OF MODIFICATIONS THAT INTERNAL TO THE GUTS OF THE BUILDING WITH A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, BACK OF THE HOUSE OPERATIONS, UM, FUNCTIONS OF INFRASTRUCTURE OCCUR THAT IS LY COST PROHIBITIVE. MM-HMM . MM-HMM. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS AS TO WHY HERE WE HAVE A NEW WALL RUNNING THROUGH HERE MM-HMM . AND THIS IS VERY PRAGMATIC PROBABLY, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE RUNNING PLUMBING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANNA DO ANY INTERVENTION TO THE TERRAZA FLOOR. RIGHT. SO WE NEEDED TO FIND A PLACE TO RUN ANY INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT BOTH ELECTRICAL AND PRO LINES. I SEE. UNDERSTOOD. LINDSAY, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER I AND I THINK MAYBE ONE OF THE PIECES THAT I'M MISSING, MISSING HERE PROGRAMMATICALLY. SO LIKE, IS THE PLAN HERE, BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE THE C SO AS IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW WITH THE SUNKEN BAR, YOU CAN WALK IN FROM, I DON'T KNOW, 80 DEGREES OF THAT CIRCLE, IF YOU WILL, RIGHT NOW, UM, PROGRAMMATICALLY LIKE WHAT ARE I SEE LIKE THE RAMP, SO IS THE PLAN THAT ALL ENTRANCE INTO THE SUNKEN LOBBY BAR WOULD BE THROUGH THE RAMP AMP? MAYBE THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF IT CHANGES MY MIND, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER. YES, WE DID. THE INTENTION OF THE PROBLEM MUCH PERIMETER SEATING WAS TO INCREASE OUR CAPACITY, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE SEATING CAPACITY ON THE BAR IS QUITE LIMITED. SO THAT WAS THE BEST WAY TO, WHILE NOT EXCEEDING WHAT IS ALLOWED BY CODE, BY CREATE MORE SITTING AREA, THEY, WHILE THE, WE, WE DIDN'T STAY, BUT WE SPENT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME DOCUMENTING THE PROPERTY AND WE NEVER SAW ANYBODY GOING THROUGH THE STEPS. MOST PEOPLE TEND TO GO THROUGH THE RAMP AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS. UM, SO GIVEN WHAT YOU'VE HEARD, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT MAKES SENSE OR, OR IS IT THE GO AHEAD. WELL, AND THEN ALONG THOSE LINES, I SWEAR I'M NOT NORMALLY THIS DIFFICULT. UM, ALONG THOSE LINES, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU HAVE A POPUP AND IT'S, YOU MADE SOME COMMENT ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE POPUP, BUT MM-HMM . WHY NOT HAVE THE COFFEE BAR, YOU [02:55:01] KNOW, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE LOBBY WHERE IT IS NOW? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU HAVE SEATING SET UP THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, THE SEATING IS THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT THERE NOW THAT YOU TAKE THE COFFEE BAR OUT. TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT. SO WE ARE PLACING, LET ME GO BACK TO THE SLIDE. SO WHAT HAPPEN IS, RIGHT NOW THE COFFEE BAR FUNCTIONS HERE WE ARE PRE CREATING AND PROPOSING AN AREA FOR CONCIERGE, DEDICATED CONCIERGE SERVICE, WHICH, UH, WE, WE THINK, SORRY, WE THINK THAT ISN'T THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR CONCIERGE, YOU KNOW, FRONTING THE RECEPTION DESK. 'CAUSE NOW CONCIERGE SERVICES ARE NOT PROVIDED WITHIN THE RECEPTION DESK, THAT EXPECTATION FROM THE GUEST. BUT WE DIDN'T WANNA HAVE AN OBSTACLE AS YOU ENTER THE SPACE. SO RIGHT NOW, IN MY OPINION, WHEN YOU ENTER THE LOBBY AND YOU HAVE THAT POPUP, FIRST WE HAVE THE POPUP OF THE COFFEE SHOP THAT LOOKS LIKE A TEMPORAL CONSTRUCT. AND THEN YOU HAVE A POPUP OF THE DRESSING ROOM. IN MY MIND, WE WERE CLEANING THAT SPACE AGAIN, MANY DESIGNERS, MANY POINTS OF VIEWS. RIGHT? I I WAS ONLY GONNA ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THE EX THE ADDITION OF THE COFFEE BAR, WHERE THEY PLACE IT, IT IS JUST TEMPORARY. I MEAN, IT'S NOT, IT, IT IS WHAT THEY'RE GOING, WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING, BUT THEY'RE NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL STRUCTURALLY CHANGE THE, THE LOBBY FOREVER. UH, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO GET BACK TO A MUCH, MUCH MORE OPEN AND NOT HAVE COFFEE BE WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU FIRST COME IN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN SEE THAT, UM, THOSE KIND OF CHANGES THAT ARE, THAT WE UNDERSTAND ARE RENEWABLE EVENTUALLY. UM, CAN I YES, PLEASE. SOMETHING SPARK, AS I SAID, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TO PROVIDE THAT SORT OF THE SERVICE AND THE EQUIPMENT IN A MORE WAY, LIKE A COFFEE ON WHEELS. BUT THE, THE SPACE IS NEEDED. OPERATION IS NEEDED. MY THEORY, WE DO A COFFEE ON WHEELS. IS THAT ALSO WE LOOK UNFINISHED AS A TEMPORAL INTERVENTION BETTER. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK CAN BE THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED. I GET THAT. UM, SO YOU TALK ABOUT IT, IT'S REVERSIBLE IF YOU WILL MM-HMM . UM, BUT ONE OF THE REA WELL, I MEAN JOHN SAID THAT, BUT YES, YOU AGREE . UM, BUT ONE OF THE REASONS YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T WANNA PUT IT OFF CENTER, ASIDE FROM THE FACT THAT IT IS OFF CENTER, UM, IS YOU'VE GOT THE KNEE WALL THERE, YOU'VE GOT, I MEAN, AND YOU DO HAVE ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL TERRAZZO FLOORS. I MEAN, UM, MAYBE IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT I'M AS FAMILIAR WITH LIKE THIS HOTEL LOBBYIST THAT I, AS I AM . UM, BUT, UH, WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THIS COFFEE BAR ON THAT TERRAZZO FLOOR SUCH THAT IF LATER AT A LATER DATE, UM, IT COULD, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE REVERSED. WHAT DOES IT, I MEAN, THAT'S AN IMPACT. SO I'M CURIOUS WHEN WE HAVE DONE THIS IN THE PAST, BECAUSE WE ALSO WORK A LOT WITH HISTORIC TAX RATES AND THE DEPARTMENTS INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. WHAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING THAT WHEN YOU REMOVE THE INTERVENTION, THE SPACE IS STILL STACKED. SO MANY TIMES WE PROVIDE LIKE AN UNDERLAYMENT THAT IS SORT OF A PROTECTION BETWEEN THE MILLWORK INSTALL AND THE EXISTING TERRAS EXISTING MARBLES, DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION. THE LEN IS A, A PROTECTIVE ELEMENT. SO THERE IS NO MECHANICAL, NO FASTENERS ATTACHED TO THE RUSSELL, THE WEIGHT OF THE MILLWORK ITSELF PLACES IN PACE THAT NO ONE, NOBODY CAN LEAN AGAINST IT AND PUSH IT. BUT WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY SECURING IT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA HAVE HOLES ON PATCHES ON THE TERRA. SO, OKAY. UM, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET BEHIND THIS , BUT I'M NOT YOUR ONLY ONE . I MEAN, I THINK I WAS THE STRONGEST VOICE ON IT, BUT I'M NOT YOUR ONLY ONE, SO I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. SO HOW, I THINK HASKELL, YOU WERE AGAINST THE, THE ONLY ISSUE I SIGN THE SIGN. OH, THE SIGNAGE. OH, YOU, YOU WERE OKAY. YEAH, I THINK OKAY. HE SAID NO ORIGINALLY, SO YES, I KNOW. I KNOW. YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT. OKAY. SO I THINK, UM, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION. HOW'S THAT? PLEASE DO. YES. OKAY. SINCE I'VE BEEN THE ONE KIND OF DRIVING THIS, UM, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF WITH CONDITIONS, UM, THAT WE FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PHRASE THIS, FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO MAINTAIN AT LEAST THAT VIEW CORRIDOR. UM, WHICH WOULD MEAN FINDING ANOTHER STORAGE SPACE FOR THE OVERHEAD. RIGHT. UM, AND THEN ALSO, AND I'M GUESSING IT'S PROBABLY IN THE PLAN SOMEWHERE, WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED TO ME, THE UNDERLAYMENT BELOW THE MILLWORK THAT PREVENTS THE FASTENERS INTO THE TERRAZZO. MM-HMM . SUCH THAT AT A LATER DATE, SHOULD YOU OR SOMEBODY ELSE DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO REMOVE IT, THEY CAN WITHOUT DAMAGING THE TERRAZZO. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CONDITIONED. IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? YEAH, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO COME UP WITH THE WORDING. UM, BUT YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY A POSSIBILITY. [03:00:01] OKAY. UM, SO SAY A SECOND WITH THAT. I, I THINK IT WOULD BE, I MEAN, LOOK, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE A BEAUTIFUL SPACE AND I DON'T DENY THAT, AND I DON'T WANNA BE VERY CLEAR. NO, I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS. I JUST AM STRUGGLING WITH THE LOSS. RIGHT. THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE. UH, SO I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR THERE. UM, SO THAT'S FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE? CORRECT? THAT'S YOUR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS CERTIFIC. SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE ABOUT TO VOTE ON THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE WITH RIGHT. WITH THIS MUD, WITH THESE CONDITIONS. BUT WE NEED A SECOND. I SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A, DO YOU WANNA TAKE THE VOTE? JUST LET ME CLARIFY THIS CLEAR CONDITION. UM, WE CAME UP WITH SOMETHING REAL QUICK HERE. UM, THAT THE BAR COUNTER ITSELF SHALL BE DESIGNED THE COFFEE BAR. THE COFFEE BAR DOES, SHALL BE DESIGNED SO THAT IT IS NOT DIRECTLY ATTACHED TO THE TERRAZZO FLOORING. IS THAT WHAT YOU DESCRIBED AS YOUR PLAN? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. I JUST, AND, AND WE PROVIDE THE FINAL CUT SHEETS AND SECTION DETAILS ONCE WE ARE FOR THE, AND THAT THE OVERHEAD WILL BE REWORKED WITH STAFF. THE, THAT THE CENTER, UM, THE WESTERN MM-HMM . RACK SHALL BE REMOVED AND THE SIDE AREAS OF THE RACK MAY BE, UM, INCREASED TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL STORAGE, SUBJECT TO STAFF REVIEW. MM-HMM . WHEN YOU SAY WESTERN AREAS OF THE RACK, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN. IT'S THAT ONE THE FRONT YES. RIGHT WHEN YOU WALK IN. SO IT WOULD BE THE FRONT PORTION ABOVE, DIRECTLY ABOVE THE COUNTER, THAT ONE'S GONE, RIGHT? RIGHT. YES. IS THE ONE THAT IS IN THAT EMAIL THAT I WAS SHOWING BEFORE? YEAH, THAT'S THE CONDITION C ONE A THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE ORDER. THERE'S NOT AN EASTERN ONE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S NO, WHEN YOU SAID REMOVE THE WESTERN ONE, I WAS LIKE, WAS THERE ONE RIGHT BEHIND IT? BUT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING. OKAY. I'M JUST GONNA MAKE SURE. THANKS. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE A MOTION. DID WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY. AND THIS IS THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. LET ME CALL THE ROLE MR. MEYER CLARIFICATION. OH, NO, THIS IS JUST CERTIFICATE OF NO SIGNAGE. WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING SIGNAGE YET. YES. MR. BRESLIN? YES. MS. CAR. MARGO? YES. MS. LOVE? YES. MR. STEWART? YES. OKAY. THAT'S BEEN APPROVED WITH THOSE CONDITIONS. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE SECOND MOTION WOULD BE FOR THE VARIANCE. THE VARIANCE. AND, AND YOU AGREED TO, UM, A CONDITION OF THE VARIANCE THAT THE SIGN IS NOT, DOES NOT EXTEND OVER THE PROPERTY LINE? YES, WE AGREE. OR BE ON THE PROPERTY LINE. WE REQUEST THAT IT CAN BE IN THE FRONT SIDE BACK THOUGH. RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE WILL PUT A CONDITION. AND SO THAT MEANS THERE IS NO VARIANCE NOW, RIGHT? CORRECT. BUT WE HAVE A VARIANCE THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE THAT'S, WELL, NO, THERE WOULD BE STILL A DIFFERENT, IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT VARI VARI. I THINK WE DENY THE VARIANCE WOULDN'T BE OVER THE VARIANCE. THE VARIANCE IS REQUIRED BECAUSE THE MINIMUM REQUIRED SETBACK FOR A DETACHED SIGN IS FIVE FEET. MM-HMM . IT SOUNDS LIKE THE BOARD IS OKAY WITH THE VARIANCE AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T ENCROACH PAST THEIR PROPERTY LINE TOWARD COLLINS AVENUE. MM-HMM . SO, SO THEY WOULD NOT NEED A IRREVOCABLE PERMIT FROM THE CITY COMMISSION. CORRECT. BUT THEY WOULD SIGN A VARIANCE. YES. OKAY. YES. OKAY. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE WITH THAT CONDITION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE SIGN WILL STAY WITHIN THE PROPERTY LINE. I SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. LET ME CALL THE ROLL MS LEVEL. YES. MR. BRESLIN? YES. MR. MEYER? YES. MS. CARGO? YES. MR. STEWART? YES. OKAY, GREAT. THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, . UM, OKAY. WE COULD TAKE ONE MORE ITEM BEFORE WE BREAK FOR LUNCH, IF, IF EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THAT? YES. OKAY. OUR NEXT [5. HPB24-0632, 1730 Jefferson Avenue.] APPLICATION, LET'S SEE, IS HPB 24 0 6 3 2. THIS IS, UH, 1730 JEFFERSON AVENUE. I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JAKE FOR THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU, DEBBIE. THE SUBJECT SINGLE FAMILY HOME WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1938 AND DESIGNED BY ARCHITECT ALEXANDER LEWIS IN THE ART DECO STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE. [03:05:01] THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF ATTACHED ONE STORY, ADDITION TO THE EXISTING HOME AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A ROOFTOP. ADDITION TO THE EXISTING REACCESS EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY BUILDING AND RELATED VARIANCES. STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE DESIGN OF THE ADDITIONS, WHICH WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM JEFFERSON AVENUE, BUT DOES HAVE CONCERN WITH MODIFICATIONS PROPOSED FOR THE PRIMARY FACADE OF THE HOME. THE EXISTING FRONT FACADE IS SUBSTANTIALLY INTACT, AND THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. AS SUCH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PRIMARY FACADE BE RETAINED AND RESTORED CONSISTENT WITH AVAILABLE HISTORIC DOCUMENTATION. UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING NINE VARIANCES. YEAH. UM, LET'S SEE. SO VARIANCES ONE AND TWO ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE. THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE IS 30%. UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO EXCEED THAT BY, UH, 5%. THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE, WHICH IS 50% BY 2.9%. UM, STAFF WOULD NOTE THAT THE, IF THE EXISTING RESIDENTS WERE LOCATED OUTSIDE OF A DISTRICT, THE HOME WOULD BE ELIGIBLE, UM, FOR INCENTIVES IF THEY'RE RETAINING THE HOME, UM, THAT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE IF YOU'RE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO THE RETENTION OF MOST HOMES, INCLUDING INDIVIDUALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC HOMES OUTSIDE OF DISTRICTS, DO HAVE THESE INCENTIVES. IF THE INCENTIVES WERE IN PLACE HERE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY, UM, UNDER CONSIDERATION, THE, IT WILL BE, UM, UNDER CONSIDERATION BY THE PLANNING BOARD TO EXTEND THESE INCENTIVES. UM, SO PEOPLE DO FEEL, UM, THAT IT'S POSSIBLE TO RETAIN THESE HOMES IF IT WAS EXTENDED TO HOMES, CONTRIBUTING HOMES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. THEY WOULD NOT REQUIRE THESE VARIANCES. UM, SO THE VARIANCES ARE RELATIVELY MINIMAL. STAFF DOES BELIEVE THAT THE RETENTION OF THE EXISTING HOME IS A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY TO SUPPORT BOTH OF THESE, UM, VARIANCES. VARIANCES THREE AND FOUR ARE TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING SETBACKS TO THE HOME TO CONSTRUCT AN ATTACHED ADDITION. ALSO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT AN ELEVATED TERRACE AND POOL DECK. UH, THE EXISTING SETBACKS ARE 4.83 ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE AND 4.85 ALONG THE NORTH SIDE, WHERE SEVEN FOOT SIX IS REQUIRED. UM, TYPICALLY, AGAIN, FOR, FOR HISTORIC HOMES OUTSIDE OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN AN, AN ADD ON TO THE PROPERTY AT A FIVE FOOT SETBACK AS LONG AS THE EXISTING HOME WAS AT LEAST FIVE FEET. THAT'S WHAT WE SEE HISTORICALLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UM, WHETHER IN A DISTRICT OR NOT. THE OLDER HOMES HAD FIVE FOOT SIDE SETBACKS. WE BELIEVE, AND WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE, THAT IT'S OFTEN THE CASE THAT THE INTENT POTENTIALLY WAS TO HAVE FIVE FOOT SETBACKS FOR THIS HOME, BUT WHEN IT WAS BUILT, IT WAS ACTUALLY NOT EXACTLY FIVE FEET. UM, SO REGARDLESS, UM, THE, THE VARIANCES THREE AND FOUR WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ADD ONTO THE BUILDING AT THE EXISTING SETBACK VARIANCES FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN ARE RELATED TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ONE STORY ROOFTOP ADDITION. UM, THIS IS ON THE EXISTING ONE STORY ACCESSORY BUILDING AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. THE EXISTING BUILDING HAS SETBACKS OF SEVEN FEET ON THE NORTH SIDE AND ALMOST EIGHT FEET ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND, UH, UH, 11.34 FEET ON THE REAR. UM, HOWEVER, TWO STORY ACCESSORY BUILDINGS HAVE GREATER REQUIRED SETBACKS THAN A ONE STORY ACCESSORY BUILDING. SO THE REQUIRED SETBACK IS A MINIMUM OF 10 ON THE SIDES FOR THE SECOND STORY. UM, ADDING THE SECOND STORY TRIGGERS THIS AND 15 FEET ON THE REAR. SINCE ALL OF THE EXISTING SETBACKS DO NOT MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THE TWO STORY HOME, THEY WOULD NEED THE VARIANCES. UM, TO CONSTRUCT THE SECOND STORY ON THE ACCESSORY BUILDING, UM, FURTHER ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDING, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A NEW OPEN STAIR, UM, TO ACCESS THE SECOND LEVEL. THIS INCREASES THE SOUTH SIDE SETBACK VARIANCE REQUEST. UM, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF VARIANCES FIVE AND SIX DUE TO THE PRO PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES OF RETAINING THE EXISTING ACCESSORY BUILDING AND JUST EXPANDING IT. UM, HOWEVER, VARIANCE NUMBER SEVEN, UH, THIS IS THE ONE FOR THE STAIR. UM, WE BELIEVE THE STAIR CAN BE RELOCATED WITHIN [03:10:01] THE EXISTING SETBACK. AND SO THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S NECESSARY AND WE THINK IT'S JUST, UM, IT JUST ADDS TO THE, THE LEVEL OF VARIANCE THAT THEY NEED. UM, FINALLY, VARIANCES EIGHT AND NINE ARE RELATED TO THE INTER ARE ALSO RELATED TO THE INTRODUCTION OF THE STAIR. UH, VARIANCE EIGHT IS TO REDUCE BY 8.7%. THE MINIMUM REQUIRED REAR YARD OPEN SPACE. UM, THE REQUIRED OPEN SPACE IS 70%. SO THEY'RE REQUESTING THE, THAT BE REDUCED TO 61.3%. AND VARIANCE NINE IS TO EXCEED BY 36.3%. THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDING WITHIN THE REQUIRED REAR YARD. UM, THE, THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE WITHIN THE REAR YARD IS 25%. THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PROVIDE A LOT COVERAGE OF 61.3%. UM, IN SUMMARY, STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE VARIANCES ARE WARRANTED AND WILL ENABLE THE, THE RETENTION OF THE EXISTING HOME TO BE AND FOR, FOR AN EXPANDED LIVING AREA. UM, BUT WE ARE ASKING FOR THE STAIR VARIANCE, WHICH IS NUMBER SEVEN, TO BE MODIFIED, UM, TO NOT INCREASE THE REQUEST. SO IN SUMMARY, WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT. WE WOULD, WE DO FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT THE, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING SHOULD BE RESTORED TO ITS ORIGINAL DESIGN. UM, AND WITH THAT, UH, WE HAVE, WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JUST, UM, ONE SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DEBBIE? THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE, UM, ABOUT THE VARIANCES. UM, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK ABOUT EIGHT, UM, VARIANCES. EIGHT AND NINE, THE VERY LAST ONES. I, I BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT IF THE STAIR, UM, WAS MOVED TO THE NORTH, THE STAIR IN THE AUXILIARY BUILDING WAS MOVED TO THE NORTH SIDE. UM, IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT? UM, YOU, YOU DO NOT BELIEVE EIGHT AND NINE VARIANCES. EIGHT AND NINE, JAKE, YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT? YEAH. IF THEY, IF THEY ELIMINATE THE STAIR ON THE, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, THEY WOULDN'T NEED THOSE VARIANCES. THEY WOULDN'T NEED EIGHT AND NINE. OKAY. SO THEY RETAIN THEIR EXISTING NONCOMPLIANCE. THAT ONE SMALL CHANGE, MOVING THAT STAIR FROM THE SOUTH SIDE TO THE NORTH SIDE WOULD ELIMINATE VARIANCES SEVEN, EIGHT, AND NINE. FROM THE SOUTH SIDE TO THE EAST SIDE TO THE EAST SIDE, YEAH. WOULD, UM, TO THE EAST, I THOUGHT IT WAS TO THE, NO, WE'RE TELLING, WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO MOVE THE STAIR FROM THE SOUTH SETBACK TO THE EAST, SETBACK EAST, KIND OF IN FRONT OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDING. UM, BUT THEY STILL WOULD NEED VARIANCE SEVEN TO BUILD ON TOP OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. YES. WE'RE JUST REDUCING IT TO ELIMINATE THE STAIR. CORRECT. SORRY, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE STAIRS? UH, ON THE MIC, ON THE MIC, ON THE MIC, YOU'RE PROPOSING THE STAIRS BETWEEN THE POOL AND THE ACCESSORY BUILDING, CORRECT? YEAH. RIGHT. AND THAT WILL ELIMINATE THREE VARIANCES. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. AND THEN, UM, I ASSUME YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION AND YEAH, YOU'LL BE WALKING US THROUGH THIS AS WELL, SO THANK YOU. WELCOME, WELCOME GUYS. UM, MY NAME IS EDWARD HERRA WITH DG ARCHITECTURE HERE REPRESENTING DR. THOMAS HILL AND RICO GAMBOA, THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. UM, FIRST I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO, TO DEBBIE AND JAKE. THEY'RE, THEY'RE INCREDIBLY WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH. UM, SO YES, UM, 1730 JEFFERSON. THIS IS JUST OUR INDEX SHEET AS THEY HAVE EXPLAINED THE VARIANCES WE'RE REQUESTING AND THE REASONS FOR THEM. UM, THE, THE POND DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WE'RE LOCATED IN. AND AGAIN, MORE, MORE OF THE RSS FOUR, THE ZONING AND ALL. THIS IS HOW THE HOUSE USED TO LOOK BACK IN, YOU KNOW, 1938 IS A MODERN STREAMLINED ARCHITECTURE. IT'S A VERY BEAUTIFUL HOME. AND, YOU KNOW, THE OWNERS WOULD, WOULD LOVE TO, TO GET THE PROCESS GOING. MORE INFORMATION ON HISTORICAL RESEARCH. THIS IS THE UPDATED SURVEY, AS THEY HAVE MENTIONED. WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO KEEP ALL THE EXISTING SETBACKS, YOU KNOW, TO THE SOUTH TO THE NORTH FOR THE EXISTING HOUSE AND FOR THE EXISTING GUEST HOME, THE ORIGINAL MICROFILM AND THE RECORD CORD FOR THE PROPERTY. AND JUST SOME PERMIT HISTORY THAT WE FOUND FOR THE ORIGINAL GATE, UM, THE NEW DRIVEWAY AND, AND THE POOL AND SOME LANDSCAPING THAT WAS DONE THROUGHOUT THE TIME. THIS IS HOW THE HOMES LOOKS AS OF TODAY. UM, WHEN, WHEN WE GOT HIRED FOR THIS PROJECT, OR ORIGINALLY, THE OWNER HAD GONE THROUGH ANOTHER TEAM THAT UNFORTUNATELY LEFT HIM HANGING, WHICH HAD CAUSED THE PROJECT TO, TO RECEIVE SOME SPING. AND THE REASON FOR THE SPING IS, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN SEE MY MOUSE, BUT THE, THE EYEBROWS FROM THIS LITTLE CORNER HERE, AND THEN THE BACK REAR EYEBROW HAD CAUSED SPING TO, TO TWO TO TWO WINDOWS. [03:15:02] AGAIN, MORE, MORE PRESENT AS THE HOUSE AND THE GUEST HOUSE THAN AS OF TODAY. THIS IS THE, THE STREET AND THE, AND THE, AND THE OF JEFFERSON, THE HOMES ADJACENT TO IT. AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL THE HOMES HAVE, YOU KNOW, EITHER MORE OF A ARCHITECTURAL STYLE WITH SPANISH OR MORE OF A STANDARD MODERN, BUT NOTHING THAT COMPARES TO 1730 JEFFERSON. THIS IS, UH, TO THE EXISTING DIAGRAMS. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, THE LOCK COVERAGE IS, IS, IS MET BY THE HOUSE AS IT STANDS TODAY. THE FRONT YARD SPACE, THE EXISTING OPEN SPACE DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF TODAY, AND THE SAME GOES FOR THE REAR YARD AS THE HOUSE IS TODAY. IT DOES NOT MEET THE REAR YARD REQUIREMENTS FOR OPEN SPACE. UM, AS, AS DEBBIE MENTIONED, THE EXISTING UNIT SIZE ALSO MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS AS IT STANDS TODAY. AND OUR PROPOSED, SO OUR PROPOSED UNIT SIZE, THAT'S ONE OF THE VARIANCES WE'RE REQUESTING BECAUSE WE'RE EXCEEDING THE PERCENTAGE. UM, THIS IS THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THE DIMENSIONS, THE, THE INTERIOR DESIGN AND, AND THE DIMENSIONS ON THE OUTSIDE AND THE LAYOUT INTERNALLY. AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED ALTERATION. SO ON THE FRONT FACADE, REALLY WE'RE, WE'RE KEEPING THE ORIGINAL OPENINGS, THE ORIGI, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL FACADE. THE SAME GOES FOR THE LEFT SIDE. AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND, AND THAT'S WHERE WE NEED, YOU KNOW, THE VARIANCE BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA LINE IT UP WITH THE EXISTING CARPORT TO, TO THE EAST. AND THAT'S THE PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED DESIGN. AND REALLY IT'S, IT'S MAINLY ON THE REAR PORTION OF THE HOUSE AND TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT WE'RE DOING MOST OF THE WORK. AND THIS IS THE EXISTING ROOF PLAN. AND THE PROPOSED ROOF PLAN. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE EXPANDING THE HOUSE TOWARDS THE BACK AND TOWARDS THE SIDE. THIS IS THE GUEST HOUSE AS IT AS IT STANDS TODAY. IT'S A ONE STORY WITH A FLAT ROOF. AGAIN, MINOR MODIFICATIONS ON THE, ON THE EXTERIORS, JUST BLOCKING UP THE WINDOWS BECAUSE THE OWNERS WOULD NOT LIKE TO BE LOOKING AT THEIR NEIGHBORS. THEY WANT PRIVACY FROM THEIR NEIGHBORS. AND THAT'S THE PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, SECOND FLOOR AND INTERIOR ALTERATIONS TO THE GROUND FLOOR. AND AGAIN, MINIMAL WINDOWS TOWARDS THE BACK, MINIMAL, YOU KNOW, EXITS TO THE BACK AGAIN TO KEEP THEIR PRIVACY FROM THEIR NEIGHBORS. THIS IS THE ELEVATIONS, YOU KNOW, SIDE BY SIDE. UM, AND THE FRONT, AGAIN, THE ALTERATIONS ARE MINIMAL, IS REALLY JUST WINDOWS BEING MODERNIZED AND THE EYEBROWS BEING, BEING MODERNIZED UNDER THE REAR IS WHERE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, DEMOING THE EXISTING OPENING TO WIDEN THAT OPENING AND GETTING RID OF THE PARAPET HANDRAIL DETAIL TO, TO BRING IT UP TO MORE MODERN STANDARDS AS THE OWNERS WILL LIKE. AND THAT'S THE PROPOSED REAR WITH A, YOU KNOW, HAND GLASS RAIL RATHER THAN A, A PARAPET HANDRAIL. AND ALONG THE FRONT, AGAIN, MORE MODERN WINDOWS AND, AND, AND DOORS ON THE SIDE IS REALLY, IT'S JUST BLOCKING UP TWO WINDOWS AND, YOU KNOW, RAISING THE EYEBROWS AGAIN SO THAT THEY'RE NOT RIGHT ABOVE THE WINDOWS. AND ON THE OPPOSITE CORNER IS WHERE WE WERE, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE ADDITION TO, TO BE BEHIND THE CARPORT. UM, THIS IS THE GUEST HOUSE AS MENTIONED. IT, IT, IT HAS SUBSTANTIAL, YOU KNOW, WE REMOVE THE WIND, THE, THE ROOF, OBVIOUSLY TO ADD THE SECOND STORY, YOU KNOW, BLOCKING UP THE, THE WINDOWS TO THE REAR AND ALTERATIONS TO, TO MOST OF THE OPENINGS. AND THAT WOULD BE THE PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, TWO STORY REMODEL HERE, JUST TO BEGIN TO GET MORE PERSPECTIVE WITH RENDERINGS. THE MATERIALITY IS, YOU KNOW, A WHITE STUCCO BANDING FOR THE COLOR OF THE HOUSE, UM, MODERN, YOU KNOW, METAL EYEBROWS AND CORAL CORAL ROCK FOR THE HARDSCAPE ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND, AND ACCENT WALLS. THIS WILL BE THE LOOK OF THE FRONT OF THE FACADE, JUST A LITTLE MORE PERSPECTIVE TO THE RIGHT TO SEE THE ADDITION, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE CARPORT WHERE WE WERE LOOKING TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, THAT EXISTING SETBACK. AND THIS WOULD BE THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, WHERE AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING TO MAKE MORE OF THEIR ADJUSTMENTS PER SE. AND THE GOAL IS TO KIND OF HUG, YOU KNOW, THE POOL WHERE THEY WANNA HAVE THEIR GATHERINGS FOR THEIR FAMILIES. AND REALLY IT'S JUST TO KEEP EVERYTHING WITHIN THAT POOL AREA, GUEST HOUSE AND MAIN HOUSE. THAT'S THE GUEST HOUSE LOOKING FROM THE MAIN HOUSE TO THE BACK. AND THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE ALTERATIONS ARE MADE TO THE ACTUAL GUEST HOUSE. THIS IS THE STAIRCASE THAT THEY WERE MENTIONING THAT IS INFRINGING ON THE SETBACK TO, TO THE SIDE. AGAIN, WE WOULD BRING UP EVERYTHING UP TO CODE, THE, THE LANDSCAPING, YOU KNOW, NEW TREES, NEW HEDGES, AGAIN, TO BUFFER THE NEIGHBOR. WE'RE, WE'RE AWARE OF OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE REAR, OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE RIGHT AND TO THE LEFT. PRIVACY IS OBVIOUSLY A CONCERN, AND THIS IS A PERSPECTIVE, [03:20:01] SO YOU CAN SEE THE FULL SITE. UM, SINCE MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS IN THE CITY OF CORAL, IT WAS, I WASN'T REALLY AWARE THAT YOU CAN SEND MODIFICATIONS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, TO SUGGESTIONS. SO AFTER DISCUSSING WITH THE OWNER, AND, YOU KNOW, DEBBIE AND JAKE HAVE BEEN HELPFUL, AND THEY HAD MEN MENTIONED THEIR, THEIR, THEIR CHANGES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. THE OWNERS HAD COME TO AGREEMENT WITH DOING THE STUCCO BANDING AND BRINGING THAT BACK. THEY ALSO WERE OKAY WITH DOING THE WINDOWS AND DOORS WITH THE DIVISIONS, WITH THE MUDS AND THE MULLIN. THEY WERE OKAY WITH THAT ONE AS WELL. AND THEY WERE ALSO OKAY WITH RELOCATING THE STAIRCASE, SO THAT WE DON'T NEED THAT, THAT VARIANCE. I JUST WASN'T AWARE YOU CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES PRIOR TO, TO BEING HERE. UM, I HAVE PRINTED SOME PICTURES. I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE. I DUNNO IF I CAN SHOW YOU HOW THE HOUSE USED TO LOOK. THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO CATCH IT ON A, HOW THE HOUSE USED TO LOOK. YES. AND THEY WOULD LIKE THE SAME, I'M SORRY. AND THEY WOULD LIKE, THEY WOULD LIKE THE SAME LANDSCAPE, THE LANDSCAPING TO BE TO THAT STANDARD WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE HOME. THAT'S HOW IT LOOKED. AND THEY WOULD LIKE THAT PRIVACY. OH, I SEE. OKAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR ME NOW. ALRIGHT. I'LL PASS THEM UP. THANK YOU. UM, ALRIGHT. THAT CONCLUDES YOUR PRESENTATION. YES, YES. FANTASTIC. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, AND, UM, ARE THERE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, UH, YOU HAVE A VARIANCE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THE SECOND FLOOR ON THE AUXILIARY BUILDING, BUT A SECOND FLOOR WOULD REQUIRE A DIFFERENT SETBACK THAN YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND WE HAVE A LETTER FROM YOUR NEIGHBOR FROM BEHIND THAT'S VERY MUCH AGAINST THAT SECOND FLOOR. UM, AND WE HAVE TO REALLY CONSIDER THAT OF COURSE. UM, AND I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. NO, CORRECT. WE WE'RE AWARE THAT WE, WE DID REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS TO THE REAR AND TO OUR SIDES, AND THEY, WE, WE SPOKE OR, OR AN EMAIL. I DID NOT, OH, SORRY. I MEAN, I'M, I'M MISTAKEN THEN. I, I RECEIVED THE EMAIL ON FRIDAY. I MISTAKED YOU FOR SOMEBODY ELSE. SORRY. UM, WE, WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO YOU. SORRY. UM, BUT THE REASON FOR, FOR THAT SECOND STORY EDITION FOR THE OWNERS IS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE THEIR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO VISIT THEM. THE HOUSE ONLY HAS TWO BEDROOMS AND THEY REALLY JUST WANT THAT EXTRA SECOND FLOOR FOR TWO EXTRA BEDROOMS SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN STAY WITHIN THE SAME HOME. THAT'S REALLY THE SOLE REASON FOR IT. UM, YOU KNOW, DR. THOMAS HILL TRAVELS A LOT. HE'S, AND HE JUST WANTS TO GATHER HIS FAMILY ONCE A YEAR, YOU KNOW, OR TWICE A YEAR HERE. THAT'S THE ONLY HARDSHIP, I GUESS, FOR THAT. AND WE OBVIOUSLY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO, WE'LL, WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET TO THE, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT IN A MINUTE. BUT ARE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR THEM? OKAY, SO, UM, WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE TO, UM, DISCLOSURES, BOARD DISCLOSURES, JUST RECEIVING LETTERS FROM OTHERS. YES, WE ALL DID. YES, WE ALL DID. YES, EXACTLY. UM, ANY, ANY DISCLOSURES HERE? NO. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT THEN. UH, LET'S OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE PLEASE COME FORWARD. YOU MIGHT BE THE ONLY PERSON. HI, HOW ARE YOU? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING FROM ME. MY NAME'S DAVE ATEL. UH, I, I AM THE, UH, PERSON IN THE BACK, UH, BEHIND THE, ON THE WEST HAND SIDE, I GUESS WEST HAND DIRECTION, WEST DIRECTION. UM, UH, OBVIOUSLY I THINK THERE WERE JUST A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE OF NOTE. UH, ONE THING IS THAT THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD VERY PRONE TO FLOODING. UH, AND SO OBVIOUSLY THE NEIGHBORS ARE WORRIED ABOUT, UH, WATER ABSORPTION INTO THE PROPERTY. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU REALLY DO NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE VARIANCES. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THAT IS ALSO A BUDDING OUR BACKYARD WHERE OUR POOL IS, WHERE OUR KIDS PLAY. AND WE WERE OF COURSE WORRIED ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE IMPOSITION OF A SECOND FLOOR ON THE GUEST HOUSE WOULD DO, UH, TO OUR PROPERTY IN THAT SENSE, IN THE SENSE OF SIGHT LINES, BUT ALSO LIGHT AND NOISE, THAT SORT OF THING. SO THAT'S OUR, OUR COMMENT. WE ACTUALLY HAD NOT HEARD FROM THE OWNERS. UH, WE BECAME AWARE OF THIS LAST WEEK, SO APOLOGIES FOR THE VERY LATE EMAIL ON THE SUBJECT. SO, AND I'M REACHABLE AND I'M HAPPY TO GIVE YOU MY CONTACT INFORMATION. I APOLOGIZE THAT AS NECESSARY. THAT'S MY COMMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. A AGAIN AND ROGERS, UH, MDPL, UH, WE APPRECIATE THE INVESTMENT IN THIS CONTRIBUTING [03:25:01] SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE HISTORIC PALM VIEW NEIGHBORHOOD. HOWEVER, WE HAVE A FEW CONCERNS AND MODIFICATIONS OF THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, PARTICULARLY THE REMOVAL OF DISTINCTIVE RACING STRIPES THAT WERE ON THE ORIGINAL STUCCO BAND. STUCCO BAND, YEAH. WHICH, WHICH YOU SOUNDS, SOUNDS LIKE YOU ADDRESS, WHICH IS GREAT AND FACADE. WE ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED LIGHTING FIXTURES ON THE FRONT GATE STYLING. UNDERSTOOD. AND, UH, WHICH SHOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THIS TO OUR CHARACTER. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO WORK WITH THE STAFF. ANY MODIFICATIONS IN RESPECT TO ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE ORIGINAL DIRECTOR ESSENTIALLY BE LISTENING. THANK YOU. NO. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, ON ZOOM WE HAVE, UH, CHRIS GLODE. HI CHRIS. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I, I DON'T SEE HIM ANYMORE. CHRIS, ARE YOU, ARE YOU STILL ON ZOOM? NO. OKAY. NO. ALRIGHT. IS THAT IT FOR WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UM, NOW WE'LL GO TO, WELL, YOU CAN MAKE ANY REBUTTALS IF YOU WANT ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOU HEARD. YOU OBVIOUSLY, MR. CHAIR. YES. I THINK WE'RE HAVING TECHNICAL DIFF SORRY. OKAY. DIFFICULTIES. I THINK CHRIS HAS HIS HAND BACK UP. OKAY, CHRIS, THANK YOU SO MUCH. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I DO SWEAR. UM, CHRIS, YOU NEED TO BE SWORN IN. GO AHEAD CHRIS. DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. MY NAME'S CHRIS GLODE AND I'M A HOMEOWNER AND A NEIGHBOR OF THIS PROPERTY IN THE STORY PUMP VIEW NEIGHBORHOOD. A LOT OF WHAT YOU HEARD TODAY ABOUT THE CONCERNS OF THE FACADE ARE EXACTLY MY CONCERNS. I DO APPRECIATE THE OWNER AND THE ARCHITECT WILLING TO ADJUST AND PRESERVE THE FACADE. I JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS ON THAT FACADE THAT, UH, AND I WANT TO CONFIRM THAT ALL OF THOSE WILL BE PRESERVED. I DID DETAIL THEM IN THE LETTER THAT I SENT TO THE HPB ON FRIDAY, AND I, IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE UPDATED DRAWINGS TO KNOW IF THEY ARE ALL THERE. SO I HOPE THAT THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR NEIGHBORS AND STAFF TO REVIEW THE UPDATED DRAWINGS AND ENSURE THAT THE ENTRANCE DOOR AND STOOP ARE PRESERVED. THE WINDOWS, THE EYEBROWS, THE RACING STRIPES, THE GABLE VENTS, WHICH I HAVE NOT HEARD MENTIONED TODAY. NO CHANGES TO THE OVERHANG. AND I'M ALSO ADDING TO THE DISCUSSION THE, WHAT I BELIEVE IS AN INCOMPATIBLE SIDEWALK WALL, PEDESTRIAN GATE, AND CAR GATE. SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT THOSE CAN ALSO BE ADJUSTED TO REFLECT THE STYLING OF THE ORIGINAL HOME. I DO NOT OBJECT TO THE WALL, THE GATE, AND, UH, AND THE TWO GATES. I JUST OBJECT TO THE STYLING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. UM, NOW I SEE NO FURTHER PEOPLE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS, UH, BASED ON ANY OF THE, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT YOU HEARD? YES. MAY I RESPOND TO? YES, YOU MAY RESPOND. YES. NOW IS THE TIME. UM, THE OWNERS, BELIEVE ME, THEY'RE AWARE OF YOUR CONCERNS. THEY, THEY, THEY RESPECT PRIVACY. THEIR MAIN GOAL IS TO HAVE PRIVACY. UM, BUT TO HIS POINT, TO THE RIGHT OF 1730 JEFFERSON, THERE'S A TWO STORY APARTMENT CONDO BUILDING, UM, WHICH SEIZE COMPLETELY INTO THEIR PROPERTY. ALL WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO AGAIN, IS HUG THE POOL, CREATE A, A, A SENSE OF OASIS FOR THEIR FAMILY THAT ONLY FACES THE POOL TOWARDS HIS SIDE. EVEN THOUGH WE ARE ADDING A SECOND STORY, THERE'S ONLY TWO WINDOWS WHICH HAPPENED TO BE IN THE BATHROOM. SO THE CONCERN FOR VISIBILITY, WE ARE AWARE AND WE, WE, WE WE'RE TRYING TO NOT SEE YOUR HOUSE. AND THEN THE, THE SLIDING GLASS DOORS FOR BOTH THE GROUND FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR ARE ONLY FACING THE POOL AGAIN, BECAUSE THE ONLY REASON TO GO UP IS TO GO TO SLEEP. IT, THERE REALLY IS NO OTHER REASON. UM, NOW AS FAR AS THE, THE MS, THE CHRIS, HIS NEIGHBOR WE'RE ALSO, WE'RE OKAY WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT LOW WALL AND FRONT GATES BEING MORE IN LINE WITH THE HOUSE. THE ONLY ONE THAT WE WOULD OBJECT TO IS THE EYEBROWS. THE REASON FOR, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PUT THE SCREEN BACK ON, BUT THE REASON FOR THE EYEBROWS NOT BEING ADJACENT TO THE WINDOW ANYMORE, THE REASON FOR RAISING THEM IS BECAUSE IT CAUSES ISSUES WITH WATERPROOFING. UM, AND THAT'S THE MAIN, MAIN WHEN WE ACQUIRED THIS PROJECT AND BEGAN TO WORK WITH THE, WITH THE OWNERS, THIS WINDOW AND THIS EYEBROW HAD SIGNIFICANT WATER DAMAGE BECAUSE THE EYEBROW WAS NOT PROPERLY SEALED. SO IN ORDER TO AVOID THAT HAPPENING AGAIN, WE RAISE THE EYEBROW 20 INCHES. THAT, THAT REALLY IS THE ONLY REASON TO TO DO SO. UM, AND I, THAT, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY OBJECTION WE HAVE. [03:30:01] CAN YOU PUT THE ORIGINAL, THE IMAGE OF THAT ORIGINAL FACADE? YES. UP SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. IT'S PAGE 11. SO YOU SEE HOW THE EYEBROW IS HUGGING THE WINDOW? OH, SORRY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE. YES, YES. OH, THE, THE EYEBROW HUGS THE WINDOW. MM-HMM . SO THAT DETAIL COSTING THE ISSUES NOT ONLY ON THIS SIDE, BUT ALSO ON THE REAR SIDE BACK HERE. AND TO AVOID THAT OCCURRING AGAIN, BECAUSE THE OWNERS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT WATER DAMAGE AND WATER INTRUSION. WE RAISED THE EYEBROW. UM, THERE IS NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT MATTER OF FACT. AND, AND THE GABLE, HE MENTIONED THE GABLE, I THINK HE SAID GABLE DENT, BUT HE MIGHT MEAN THE SCUPPERS ABOVE THE YEAH. OH, FAIR, TRUE. I, I APOLOGIZE, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. SO THERE WAS THESE BIG SCUPPERS ALONG THE FRONT, THESE BIG RECTANGULAR SCUPPERS. WE MINIMIZE THEM BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH THE WATER IN A DIFFERENT WAY. SO THIS IS JUST AN EMERGENCY CUPPER. IT'S NO LONGER WHERE THE MAIN WATER IS GOING TO, IS GOING TO THE SIDES NOW AND AGAIN, TO TRY TO AVOID THE ISSUE WITH WATERPROOFING ALONG THE FRONT FACADE. GREAT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? WELL, JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, EYEBROWS WERE ORIGINALLY OVER THE WINDOW FOR, FOR SHADE . SO PUTTING THE EYEBROW UP 20 INCHES REALLY SERVES NO PURPOSE OTHER THAN A DECORATIVE STRIP. I, I WOULD BE AGAINST THAT. UM, NOT ONLY IS THE EYEBROW, YES, FOR AESTHETIC PURPOSES, BUT NOW IT'S ALSO PROVIDING SHADE TO THE SAME LOWER WINDOW AND THE ABOVE WINDOW. JUST AGAIN, TRYING TO AVOID THAT SAME OCCURRENCE TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE FOR, FOR THE OWNER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THEY'RE SPENDING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO RE UM, HOW DO YOU SAY, REPAIR AND, AND REDO THEIR HOME. AND WE DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN IN THEIR LIFETIME. ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL. UH, AND WE HAVE ANOTHER QUE UH, RAY, YOU FINISH. UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION HERE, ELIZABETH. YOU KNOW, SO HOW DID YOU GET TO THE 20 INCHES MAGIC NUMBER? OH, UM, JUST FOR, SO THE HOUSE LOOKS SYMMETRICAL FROM THE BOTTOM AND THE TOP BASICALLY LIKE, OH, SORRY. UM, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THE SAME WIDTH FROM BELOW AS ABOVE. THAT'S BECAUSE I THINK THE ORIGINAL DESIGN HAD AN ELEGANCE TO IT WITH THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WINDOWS EYEBROWS AND SPACE BETWEEN. AND BY INTERSECTING THE SPACE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, LIKE YOU DID, YOU KINDA LOSE THAT ELEGANCE THAT YOU CAN SEE THE TRADITIONAL DESIGN. SO I'M, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE TECHNICAL NEED, BECAUSE NOWADAYS CONSTRUCTION IS MUCH BETTER THAN IN THE DAYS THAT THEY USED TO BE MADE. AND THEY MIXED SAND IN THE CONCRETE SO FAR. SO, SO I BELIEVE THERE ARE WAYS NOWADAYS THAT YOU COULD REBUILD EYEBROWS IN THE SAME LOCATION AND NOT HAVE ONE INTRUSION, BUT I DON'T WANT THE ONE TO BE BLAMED FOR THE DECISION. SO IF YOU FEEL LIKE STRONGLY THAT YOU NEED TO RAISE THE EYEBROW TO AVOID FUTURE DAMAGE, I WOULD AT LEAST ENCOURAGE YOU TO RAISE THE MINIMUM NEEDED TO WATERPROOF AND FINISH THE WINDOW HEAD AS NEEDED TO AVOID ISSUES. BUT NOT TO INTERSECT LIKE YOU DID, BECAUSE I THINK YOU LOST THE RHYTHM OF THE . I, I CAN AGREE WITH YOU. I, I, I DO AGREE THE RHYTHM AND THE BALANCE OF THE HOME IS, IS DIFFERENT IN OUR PROPOSAL. UM, MAYBE TO KEEP THAT BALANCE THE SAME WAY THAT AS THE ORIGINAL HOME INTENDED, WE WOULDN'T RAISE IT 20 INCHES, MAYBE MORE LIKE EIGHT INCHES OR 10 INCHES, IF THAT'S OKAY. UH, LINDSAY, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. SO, UM, I MEAN, LOOK, IN MY MIND OF WORK, I DEAL WITH A LOT OF WATER INTRUSION AND WATERPROOFING ISSUES AND THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER, BUT NEVER BEFORE HAVE I HEARD WE CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE OF THE WATER INTRUSION AND THE WA AND THE WATERPROOFING ISSUES, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING A RECONSTRUCTION LIKE THAT, OR YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE REMODELING LIKE THIS. UM, SO DID YOU CONS, I MEAN, DID YOU CONSULT WITH AN ENGINEER OR WATERPROOFING PERSON TO, TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT IT COULD BE MAINTAINED? UM, YES. YES. SO ORIGINALLY THESE EYEBROWS ACTUALLY WERE MADE OUTTA WOOD. UM, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY THEY, THEY FAILED. AND THE ONES WE WERE PROPOSING WERE COMING OUT FROM THE SAME SLAB. SO THE SLAB PROJECTING FROM THE SECOND FLOOR IS THE SAME SLAB PROJECTION FOR THE EYEBROW. IT WAS JUST A CONTINUATION OF THE, OF THE GESTURE. UM, IF WE WERE TO DROP THEM TO THE EIGHT INCHES, 10 INCHES, IT, IT WOULD BE MAYBE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL. UM, BUT, BUT THERE, THERE IS SIGNIFICANCE AND, AND THERE IS, WE, UM, HOW DO YOU SAY WE WENT, WE SUBMITTED A PERMIT TO DO A REPAIR, WHICH WE HAD TO STOP WHEN WE STARTED WORKING WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND THE HOUSE ALMOST INCURRED A VIOLATION BECAUSE OF THE PREVIOUS TEAM THE OWNERS HAD HIRED. AND BELIEVE ME, WE, WE, WE TRIED TO REPAIR IT, BUT IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO REPAIR THIS IF WE WERE GONNA BE DOING THIS SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WORK TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AS WELL. WELL, I, I MEAN, I MAYBE, MAYBE I SHOULD REPHRASE MY QUESTION. I MEANT MORE ALONG THE LINES OF IN THE REVISED DESIGN, COULD YOU NOT HAVE REINCORPORATED THE EYEBROWS AS THEY WERE IN THE, OR IN, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO THE REDESIGN, I GUESS IS MY POINT. UM, I MEAN, I WOULD EXPECT THAT SOMEONE WOULD SAY THAT YES, THAT IS [03:35:01] POSSIBLE. I, I KNOW, UH, MS. CAMARGO HARE DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I DO TOO. MM-HMM . IT IS POSSIBLE. MM-HMM . IT'S JUST, THERE IS A HIGHLY MORE OF A PROBABILITY OF OF, OF WATER ISSUES. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL IT THE TRUTH. UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE OKAY WITH LOWERING THE DISTANCE OF, OF THE WINDOW TO THE EYEBROW, BOTH ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND ON THE, ON THE GROUND FLOOR. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MITIGATE ANY, ANY OF THESE FUTURE ISSUES FROM OCCURRING. AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO. WE WANT THEM TO HAVE A HOME, THAT THEY'RE GONNA LIVE THERE FOR THEIR LIFETIME AND HOPEFULLY FOR THEIR CHILDREN. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL. MM-HMM. OKAY. UM, I THINK THAT DRAWS TO THE CONCLUSION, UH, OUR QUESTIONS FOR YOU. SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO SO. UM, AND WE'LL HAVE A, A BOARD DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, WHAT'S POSSIBLE AND WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IF YOU, SORRY, I'VE BEEN STEADY FOR WHILE. THAT'S OKAY. WHAT'S THAT? UH, CAN I STAND? I HAVE, IF THAT'S, I SAYING OF COURSE, OF COURSE. IF YOU PREFER. OKAY. I JUST DIDN'T WANT YOU TO THINK YOU WERE ALWAYS ON CALL AND, UH, OH, FOR THIS TO ANSWER QUESTION. SO, UH, ANY, ANY BOARD COMMENT? DOES ANYBODY WANNA START? UM, THESE GUYS BURY IN THEIR, NOTHING ADDITIONAL, NOTHING ADDITIONS. OKAY. THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IS THE, UM, ADDITION ON THE REAR HOUSE. YEAH. UH, BEING SO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND, UM, RAISING THAT BUILDING TO A HEIGHT OF 22 FEET. THE SETBACK IS ABOUT 11 FEET, SO IT'S TWO TO ONE. I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOMING OVER THE GENTLEMAN'S POOL. YOU'RE GONNA CUT OFF HIS SON EARLY MORNING, SON, HE'S NOT GONNA GET ANY SUN IN HIS POOL UNTIL ONE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S CALLING FOR. THAT'S NOT WHAT HE BOUGHT THE HOUSE FOR. SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT ANY ADDITION ON THAT SECOND FLOOR. THAT'S HOW THE BUILDING WAS BOUGHT. IF THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY THAT WAY, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE WITH IT, KNOWING THAT, UH, THEY CAN'T AFFECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THEIR NEIGHBORS TO BETTER ENJOY THEIR PROPERTY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE COUPLE QUESTIONS. YES, YES, PLEASE. MM-HMM . IT'S OKAY. SHE'S FOR STAFF IN CONSULTING STAFF. ANYBODY . SO THE, THEIR REQUEST FOR THE UNIT SIZE VARIANCE, THAT INCLUDES THE ADDITION OF THE ACCESSORY UNIT PLUS THE ADDITION ON, UH, THE MAIN STRUCTURE. YES. YES. AND WHAT WILL BE THE REQUIRED REAR SETBACK FOR AN ACCESSORY UNIT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A TWO STORY? CAN YOU MIC ON THE MIC? I CAN BARELY HEAR YOU. OH, FOR A TWO STORY, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, IT'S 15 FEET AND THEY'RE PROVIDING 11 FEET, WHICH IS THE EXISTING, CORRECT. UM, 11.34 FEET, WHICH IS THE EXISTING SETBACK. OKAY. APPROACHING LIKE FOUR FEET INTO THE BACK SET. THANK YOU. SO WITHOUT THE, WITHOUT THE SECOND STORY, THEY WOULD, HOW MANY VARIANCES WOULD THEY ULTIMATELY NEED? 'CAUSE THEY WOULDN'T NEED A STARE OR THEY WOULDN'T NEED, WOULD THERE BE ANY, IF THE SECOND STORY WERE TO BE ELIMINATED COMPLETELY, I THINK THEY WOULD STILL, FOR THEIR DECK, FOR THE POOL DECK, THEY WOULD STILL NEED THOSE, UM, SETBACK VARIANCES. IS THAT CORRECT? IF THE, IF THE ONE STORY ROOFTOP ADDITION WAS ELIMINATED, THEY WOULD STILL NEED VARIANCES ONE THROUGH FOUR. ONE THROUGH FOUR. OKAY. UM, WELL, I'LL, I'LL, UH, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I WAS GONNA MAKE A COMMENT THAT IT JUST, THIS, UH, A PROJECT LIKE THIS, UM, IT HAS A LOT OF MERITS. I JUST THINK IT'S A, NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, KIND OF CONNECTION. MY OPINION IS IT MIGHT NEED MORE CONVERSATION WITH NEIGHBORS, IT MIGHT NEED MORE, UH, KIND OF ANOTHER PASS. LIKE WE NEVER SAW THE REALLY, WHAT THE FINAL DRAWINGS LOOKED LIKE WITH THE, WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS IN IT. UM, MAYBE, MAYBE IF WE CONTINUED THIS, UM, TOWARDS THE DATE, CERTAIN, UH, IT MIGHT GIVE THEM TIME TO BRING, UH, NEIGHBORS TOGETHER AROUND MAYBE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, GREEN WALL OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD, WHICH COULD BE PROPOSED FOR THE BACK OF THAT, UM, THAT BUILDING, WHICH ISN'T GONNA BRING SUNLIGHT BACK, BUT IT WILL BRING MORE GREENERY. BUT THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS ON THIS. ANYBODY JUMP IN? LINDSAY? I, I WOULD SUPPORT TO CONTINUE AND, AND I WOULD REITERATE MY COMMENTS ON ABOUT THE EYEBROWS. MM-HMM . UM, YEAH, JUST FOR PURPOSES OF, YOU KNOW, IN DISCUSSION WITH STAFF AND IN FURTHER REVISION, IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH A WAY THAT GETS US CLOSER TO, [03:40:02] UM, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC FACADE AND THE MAINTAIN MAINTENANCE OF THAT, UM, I THINK YOU WOULD, IT WOULD GO A LONG WAY IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD OR, UM, SO I WOULD SUPPORT A CONTINUANCE AND, AND I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK UP BEFORE WE DO THAT, THEN THAT'S, NO, I, I WOULD, I WOULD, IF YOU'D MOVE TO CONTINUE IT, I WOULD SECOND THAT. AND, AND, AND PARTICULARLY WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, THAT GENTLEMAN RIGHT OVER THERE HAS TO SAY HE'S OKAY WITH THE SECOND FLOOR, OR I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR IT. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. YEAH. SO I WOULD LIKE, I THINK WE, I WE SHOULD GIVE HIM SOME TION. YES. SOME GUIDANCE. YES. WHAT CHANGES WE TO AGREE? THERE'VE BEEN A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. SO WHY DON'T YOU, WHY DON'T YOU START TO KIND OF LIST THE, THESE WILL BE IN THE, IN THE, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THIS, I MEAN THIS OPTION TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND REALLY PRESENT THE PACKAGE AND TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS? AND, UH, I ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION. WHEN WOULD THAT BE FOR, I GUESS WE COULD WORK, WE COULD WORK WITH YOU WITH DEBBIE ON THAT. 'CAUSE THERE'S A FEW THINGS THEY'RE DRAWING, THEY'RE DRAWINGS, BUT THERE'S SOME DESIGN, THERE'S SOME DESIGN WORK TOO. YEAH. I, I WOULD RECOMMEND IT BE THE JUNE 17TH MEETING. YEAH. WE DON'T, I DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME BETWEEN NOW AND MAY EXACTLY. TO REVIEW THE DRAWINGS. YEAH. I ONLY WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING KNOWN THAT WE HAVE AN EXTENSION FOR THAT SPING VIOLATION TILL AUGUST, I THINK 13TH. SO, OKAY. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE CONS STRINGENT ON TIME TO, TO WORK WITH ONE AND THE OTHER. WILL THIS JUNE? SHOULD JUNE SHOULD WORK, RIGHT? NOTHING LATER, I GUESS. YES, NO, OF COURSE. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. HE'S FINE WITH JUNE. SO DO YOU WANNA START ARTICULATING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN, FOR ME IT HAS TO DO WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF THE FRONT FACADE, UM, UH, THE EYEBROWS SPECIFICALLY. UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. UM, AND, AND, AND I AGREE WITH RAY. I, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT YOU DISAGREE, BUT I AGREE WITH RAY. I MEAN, THEY SERVED A PURPOSE AND THEY STILL TO THIS DAY SERVE A PURPOSE, WHICH IS PROVIDING SHADING, YOU KNOW, OVER THOSE WINDOWS. RIGHT. AND YOU MOVE THEM OVER, LIKE JUST GEOMETRICALLY MOVE THEM UP. GEOMETRICALLY YOU, YOU LOSE SOME OF THAT SHADING BECAUSE THE ANKLE OF THE SUN, UH, JUST PRACTICALLY SPEAKING. UM, SO, SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, MY, THAT WOULD BE THE PORTION THAT I WANT. UH, WHAT ELSE DO WE WANNA INCLUDE? AND I CAN INCORPORATE IN MY MOTION, BUT I THINK IT'S BETTER THAT WE KIND OF TALK THIS THROUGH, GET IT WRITTEN DOWN, AND THEN WE CAN INCLUDE IT IN THE MOTION AND WE'LL SEE THE CHANGES THAT STAFF MADE, RIGHT. AND THE CHANGES THAT STAFF MADE. SO THE MOVING OF THE STAIR TO ELIMINATE AT LEAST THREE OF THE VARIANCES. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF DE DEBBIE'S OKAY WITH THAT AND THE FENCE. SO RE THAT WASN'T AN INITIAL STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS BE SUPPORTIVE OF A, OF A FENCE DESIGN THAT WAS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. SO I WOULD MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE TO THE JUNE MEETING. 17TH. THANK YOU. JUNE 17TH. UH, THE JUNE 17TH MEETING, UM, WITH, UM, THE EXPECTATION THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE CHANGES, MAINTENANCE OF THE FRONT FACADE, UH, THE EYEBROWS SPECIFICALLY, UM, THE, AND THEN INCORPORATE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS THE STAIR. UM, AND THEN THE FENCE. DID I MISS ANYTHING OR IS THAT ENOUGH? IS THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU? DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH GUIDANCE, I GUESS IS THE REALLY YEAH, JUST TO, I GUESS TO CONFIRM RIGHT. REALLY. YEAH. I MEAN, THE POINT, THE POINT OF THE, THAT INFORMATION IS SO THAT YOU HAVE THE GUIDANCE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHEN YOU COME BACK. SO THAT'S REALLY THE MORE IMPORTANT PART. UM, SECOND THAT, OKAY, JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, THE, ON THE, THE SECOND FLOOR, ON THE ROOFTOP ADDITION, THE ROOF, THE ROOFTOP ADDITION IS, IS ALLOWED UNDER THE CODE, THE APPLICANT CAN SEEK APPROVAL FOR A ROOFTOP ADDITION. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS APPROPRIATE THOUGH FOR THE BOARD TO, TO ASK FOR CHANGES OBVIOUSLY WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE APPROPRIATENESS CRITERIA. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE ANY DIRECTION TO THE APPLICANT WITH REGARD TO THE SECOND FLOOR? I THINK THE SECOND FLOOR, SORRY, GO, GO AHEAD. THE SECOND FLOOR, IF YOU COULD, YOU CAN SHIFT THAT EASTWARD TO THE 22 FOOT SIX YARD SETBACK AND CANTILEVER ROAD OVER THE EASTERN WALL OF THE GROUND FLOOR. YOU COULD ACHIEVE THE SAME THING, BUT THEN YOU'D BE SET BACK 22 AND A HALF FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, NOT 11 FEET. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO CONSIDER. I DON'T KNOW IF THE GENTLEMAN, THE OWNER TO YOUR WEST WOULD AGREE, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD MIGHT BE ONE SOLUTION THAT WOULD WORK. OKAY. SO FOR HIM OR FUTURE OWNERS, [03:45:01] UM, WE, WE CAN LOOK INTO IT. LOOK INTO IT, YES. THIS IS JUST THIS ONE. YEAH. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU TRY OPTIONS WITH THE SECOND FLOOR. THAT'S WHAT THE OWNER REQUESTS AND THAT YOU DO WHAT YOU CAN, THIS IS A GREAT, A GREAT START INTO LOOKING INTO THAT, TALKING TO YOUR NEIGHBOR, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ANY, I I DIDN'T HAVE ANY REQUEST TO NOT LOOK AT IT. I, I WOULD SAY YOU COULD LEAVE IT WHERE IT'S AT. IF YOUR NEIGHBOR APPROVES, IF HE DOESN'T APPROVE, THEN YOU HAVE TO CANTILEVER IT OVER SO YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR A VARIANCE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. I THINK FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT AND TO KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSE, YOU FOLLOWING THE EXISTING LINE MAKES SENSE. UM, ONE CONTINUOUS LINE, BUT YES. AND I, WHEN WE ARE ENCROACHING TO SETBACKS, HAVING THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR APPROVAL, IT'S FUNDAMENTAL. OKAY. OKAY. AND, AND SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE BOARD IS OF COURSE ENCOURAGED TO CONSIDER, UH, INPUT FROM THE, FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT YOUR DECISION MUST BE BASED ON THE, ON THE CRITERIA. THE DECISION IS YOURS. EXACTLY. YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT WAS A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO THE JUNE 17TH MEETING. AND WE HAD A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY. DO WE NEED A SECOND MOTION FOR THE VARIANCES? NO, THE ENTIRE MOTION CONTINUE. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING. THANK YOU. LUNCH BREAK. IT'S, I DON'T MIND EATING DURING THE IT'S OKAY. IT'S OKAY. BUT IS IT LIKE AN HOUR LONG, TWO HOUR PHONE CALL. OKAY, COOL. DO YOU WANT DO PUT SOME MORE THAT JUST BY 10 MINUTES, JUST OH, YEAH. YEAH. COOL. YEAH. WE'LL, WE'LL BREAK FOR 15 MINUTES. OKAY. COME ONE 15. OH, THAT'S, NO, LIKE 1 5 1 0 5. ONE FIVE. OKAY. WE WILL COME BACK SHORTLY AFTER ONE O'CLOCK, RIGHT? OKAY. YEAH. JUST SO PEOPLE AREN'T WAITING. THEY'VE BEEN HERE. IF WE, IF WE WERE SEVEN PEOPLE, I WOULD JUST STEP OUT AND MAKE IT. YEAH. TWO, ONE. OKAY. WELCOME BACK EVERYONE. UM, WE ARE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT, UH, APPLICATION. I'M [6. HPB25-0647 a.k.a. HPB 7431, 1020 Pennsylvania Avenue.] [8. HPB24-0618, 1020 Pennsylvania Avenue.] ACTUALLY GOING TO READ, UM, TWO APPLICATIONS INTO THE RECORD. THESE ARE BOTH FOR 10 20 PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE. THE FIRST APPLICATION IS HPB 25 0 6 4 7. THIS IS AN APPLICATION THAT HAS BEEN, IS REQUESTING A MODIFICATION TO A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE AFTER THE FACT DEMOLITION OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THE SITE. SPECIFICALLY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE DELETION OF CONDITION C ONE OF THE FINAL ORDER. THE NEXT APPLICATION IS HPB 24 0 6. UH, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, INCLUDING ONE OR MORE WAIVERS. SO WE'LL TAKE THE DEMO. THE MODIFICATION OF THE DEMOLITION. FIRST IN 2014, THE EXISTING BUILDING WAS DEMOLISHED AS A RESULT OF AN UNSAFE STRUCTURES VIOLATION. UM, ON JUNE 10TH, 2014, THE BOARD REVIEWED AND APPROVED AN AFTER THE FACT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE FOR DEMOLITION, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS, INCLUDING CONDITION C ONE, WHICH STATES ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE SHALL NOT EXCEED THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PREVIOUS STRUCTURES. THE NEW OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAS SUBMITTED A SEPARATE APPLICATION TO REDEVELOP THE SITE WITH A NEW MULTIFAMILY BUILDING, WHICH EXCEEDS THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PREVIOUS STRUCTURE BY APPROXIMATELY 4,100 SQUARE FEET, AND IS REQUESTING TO MODIFY THE FINAL ORDER TO ELIMINATE THIS CONDITION. STAFF HAS EVALUATED THE NEW BUILDING AND FINDS THAT IT IS APPROPRIATELY SCALED AND MASKED IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORING TWO AND THREE STORY BUILDINGS AND THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC DISTRICT. FURTHER, IF CONDITIONS SEE ONE REMAINS, IT MAY NOT BE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE TO REDEVELOP THE SITE AS ANY NEW STRUCTURE WOULD BE LIMITED TO APPROXIMATELY 50% OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE PERMITTED BY CODE. IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THE LOT HAS REMAINED VACANT FOR OVER 10 YEARS AND HAS HAD INCREASING, HAS HAD AN INCREASINGLY ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC DISTRICT. STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE DELETION OF THIS CONDITION. SO THE NEXT APPLICATION IS FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE NEW MULTIFAMILY BUILDING. A NEW THREE STORY MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING IS PROPOSED TO BE CONSTRUCTED CONSISTING OF SIX PARKING SPACES AT THE GROUND LEVEL AND SIX MULTI-LEVEL RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON THE UPPER FLOORS. STAFF IS GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE BUILDING DESIGN, WHICH [03:50:01] HAS BEEN DEVELOPED IN A MANNER THAT APPROPRIATELY RESPONDS TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE HEIGHT, SCALE AND MASSING OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. STAFF HAS TWO RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE DESIGN. FIRST STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE OVERSIZED PROJECTING OVERHANG AT THE THIRD LEVEL FACING PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE BE REDUCED TO LESSEN THE PERCEIVED MASS OF THE BUILDING. SECOND, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COVERED WALKWAY CANOPY WITHIN THE FRONT YARD BE REDESIGNED TO INCLUDE A DETACHABLE ROOF. STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE DESIGN OF THIS ELEMENT, BUT HAS CURRENTLY CONFIGURED WITHOUT A DETACHABLE ROOF. IT IS NOT AN ALLOWABLE YARD ENCROACHMENT. FINALLY, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL OF A WAIVER RELATED TO THE HEIGHT OF THE COVERED PARKING AREA AT THE GROUND LEVEL. THE ARM ONE ZONING DISTRICT REQUIRES A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF 12 FEET ABOVE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION PLUS ONE FOOT WHEN PARKING IS LOCATED BELOW THE FIRST HABITABLE LEVEL. HOWEVER, THE BOARD MAY WAVE THIS REQUIREMENT BY UP TO TWO FEET. STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE TWO FOOT HEIGHT WAIVER REQUEST AS THIS MINOR REDUCTION IN HEIGHT HELPS TO ENSURE GREATER COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ADJACENT LOW SCALE CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS AND IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ABOUT THIS? UM, I HAD A, I HAD A QUESTION, DEBBIE. UH, I WASN'T ON THE BOARD, I DON'T THINK, IN 2014, AND DON'T RE I DON'T REMEMBER THIS. UM, DO YOU REMEMBER ANY OF THE CONDITIONS, UH, SURROUNDING THE, OR THE CONTEXT SURROUNDING THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE, UM, THAT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION NOT EXCEED THE DEMOLISHED BUILDINGS, UH, PACKAGE? SO WHEN, WHEN THE, AFTER THE FACT DEMO WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD AT THAT TIME, UH, THERE WAS NOT A REPLACEMENT DESIGN PROPOSED. UM, THE PRESUMPTION IN OUR CODE IS THAT THE BOARD, UM, IMPOSED A CONDITION AT THE TIME THERE, THERE ARE CURRENTLY TWO PRESUMPTIONS AT THE TIME. THERE WAS ONE PRESUMPTION. THE ONE PRESUMPTION AT THE TIME WAS THAT IN ANY NEW BUILDING SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING BUILDING, THE HEIGHT OR THE HEIGHT OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING BUILDING. UM, SO THAT WAS PRESUMED AND WAS NOT, WAS NOT, UM, ADEQUATELY REBUTTED BY THE APPLICANT. PART OF THE REBUTTAL PROCESS IS A REPLACEMENT DESIGN. UM, SO THE PRESUMPTION WAS THAT ANY NEW BUILDING NOT EXCEED THE SIZE OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING BUILDING. AND THAT'S HOW THE ORDER, UM, WAS ENTERED. UM, IT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SEEN, UH, OVER MANY YEARS, 10 OVER 10 YEARS NOW, UM, WE HAD SEEN ONE PROPOSAL THAT ACTUALLY SUBMITTED, THEY ENDED UP WITHDRAWING. WE'VE SEEN MULTIPLE OWNERSHIP CHANGES OF THIS PROPERTY. UM, WE'VE BEEN DISCOURAGED BECAUSE WE DO WANNA SEE A GOOD BUILDING HERE IN MY PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, PREVIOUS POTENTIAL BUYERS IS THAT WITH IT, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD ULTIMATELY BE REDUCED TO ABOUT A 0.57 FAR THAT IT DIDN'T MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH THAT LIMITED FAR. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT ANYONE ALWAYS HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST A MODIFICATION TO THAT. UM, AND WE HAVE AN OWNER NOW WHO IS REQUESTING THAT MODIFICATION IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A, A BUILDING THAT'S AT, YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO THE 1.25 ALLOWABLE FAR. AND IN YOUR EXPERIENCE IS THE, UM, IS THE, UM, IS IT GENERAL IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, HAVE YOU SEEN A NUMBER OF CASES IN WHICH THE, IN WHICH A RESTRICTION ON THE BUILDING, ON THE BUILDING SIZE AND FOOTPRINT FROM A PREVIOUS OWNER HAS BEEN KEPT OR CHANGED OR, I'VE SEEN NUMEROUS OCCASIONS WHERE LATER THEY, THEY REQUEST A MODIFICATION IN CONJUNCTION WITH A NEW PROJECT AND THE BOARD WOULD APPROVE THE, THE REMOVAL OF, OF SUCH CONDITION. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, MY NAME IS JOSE SANCHEZ FROM PRAXIS ARCHITECTURE DESIGN PRINCIPAL FOR PRAXIS. AND I WILL BE PRESENTING THE, UM, IN MORE THE, ABOUT THE NEW BUILDING, THE PROPOSAL FOR THE NEW BUILDING. THE OWNER, UH, AVIO HERNANDEZ JOINING ME HERE TODAY. AND HE CAN, UM, HE CAN PROVIDE MORE DETAILS AS FAR AS THE TECHNICALITIES OF THE, OF THE, UM, UH, AND, AND THE LEGALITY OF, UH, THE, THE CHANGES AND, AND THE ORDINANCE. UM, I WILL, IF YOU COULD PLEASE BRING UP THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. SO THE, THIS IS THE, UH, PROJECT FOR 10 20 PEN, UM, SIX UNITS, UH, MULTI [03:55:01] ON A 7,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. IT HAS BEEN, UH, DESIGNED WITH, UH, CONTEXTUAL, UH, DESIGN IN, IN MINE AND WALKING THROUGH THE, UM, UH, STREET AND TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE, THE IDENTITY AND THE, THE, THE MAIN ELEMENTS OF THE EXISTING PROPERTIES. I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE, UM, EX EXISTING PROPERTIES. NOW THIS IS THE, THE AREA IN PENNSYLVANIA AND WELL, MOST OF THE, UH, PROJECTS ARE TWO STORY WALKUP APARTMENTS FROM, UH, WOULD IMAGINE THESE FIFTIES, UH, YOU KNOW, AS BASIC AS IT GETS FOR, FOR HOUSING WITH, UH, STEREO STAIRS ON ONE SIDE. AND, BUT YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS OF OUR VERSION OF ART DECO IN, IN THESE IMAGES WITH, UH, THE, UH, CONCRETE SCREENS, THE, UM, PASTEL OR MIRRORED COLORS. AND THERE ARE A, A COUPLE OF MEDITERRANEANS IN THE MIX, UH, MEDITERRANEAN REVIVAL. AND THEN, UH, THIS IS OUR, OUR PROJECT THAT INCORPORATES SOME OF THE ELEMENTS, UM, THAT, THAT WE SAW IN, IN THE AREA. BUT I WOULD SAY IN A, IN A MODERN VERSION OR A 2.0 VERSION, UH, WITH, UM, THE, UM, HOR HORIZONTAL ELEMENTS, IT'S ACTUALLY THE, THE FACADE IS ABOUT THE CONTRAST BETWEEN ONE SIDE MORE SOLID WITH TWO HORIZONTAL STRIP WINDOWS AND, AND EYEBROWS, WHICH ARE PREVALENT IN THE AREA, CONTRASTING WITH A, A, A CORNER WINDOW WITH A MORE, UH, GLAZING AND MORE GLAZE AREA FOR THEIR BALCONIES. AND, UM, AND THAT'S IN THE, IN THE MAIN, IN THE MAIN VOLUME. AND IT HAS AN ACCENT WALL IN, UM, UH, UM, MUTE OR TONE DOWN, UH, GREEN COLOR THAT WILL ADD CHARACTER TO THE PROJECT WHILE THE REST IS IN NEUTRAL COLORS IN, UH, UH, A BONE COLOR AND TOP THAT WILL BLEND WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND CONTRIBUTE TO IT. AND WE THEN WE HAVE, UM, SOME, UH, PROJECTING CANOPIES IN THE UPPER ROOF AND AT THE ENTRANCE AS, UM, AS ACCENT TO PROVIDE ACCENT. AND, UM, THIS, THIS, UH, BASICALLY THE REAR ELEVATION TOWARDS THE, UH, ALLEY, BUT IT'S THE SAME AS THE FRONT ONE. AND IN THIS VIEW, ONE CAN SEE, UH, THE VOLUMES OF THE PROJECT IN MORE DETAIL IN THE, THE UPPER LEVEL. SO IT'S, UM, UM, BUILDING WITH, UM, THE TYPOLOGY OF TOWN TOWNHOUSES OR MULTILEVEL A THREEPLEX, UH, UNIT ON TOP OF PARKING WITH THE STAIRS ON THE SIDE SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING PROJECTS. AND THESE ARE THE SITES ON THE PROPERTY, ALL THE TECHNICAL DRAWINGS, FLOOR PLANS, UM, UM, SELF EVIDENT AND, AND MEAN THE UPPER, UM, UPPER, UH, FAMILY ROOM. SO IT'S, UM, BASICALLY, UM, A, A NEW HOUSING, UH, THAT WE THINK BLENDS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WITH, UH, IMPROVE, UH, SPACES TO THE EXTENT THAT THE LOT, UH, ALLOWS. IT'S A, THERE ARE TWO BEDROOM UNITS, NOT VERY LARGE WITH A COMMON LIVING AREA IN THE SECOND FLOOR. AND THEN, UH, BEDROOMS AND THEN THE, UH, EXTRA SPACE IN THE, IN THE THIRD LEVEL OF ROOF TERRACE. AND THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE FRONT, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO THE REAR WITH THE CANOPY, AND THAT SHOULD BE MODIFIED. RIGHT? AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE PROJECT, AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS AND WE, UH, WELCOME ANY COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS FOR THE APPLICANT? GO AHEAD, RAY. MY, MY TYPICAL QUESTION IS THIS AN APARTMENT BUILDING OR A CONDOMINIUM APARTMENT? BUILDINGS. OKAY, SO YOU MEAN THEIR RENT, THEIR RENTALS. YEAH. YES. I SEE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LINDSAY? I I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, BECAUSE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU SHOWED, AND YOU HAVE A SLIDE IN HERE, UM, BUT THE MATERIALS AND LIKE THE, THE COLOR SCHEME, TALK TO ME ABOUT HOW YOU GUYS CHOSE THAT. UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WELL, UH, THE, THE, IT'S, IT'S MORE LIKE THE, THE COLORS SCHEME BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S MOSTLY, UH, PLASTER WITH PAINT AND IT WAS, IT WAS, UM, UM, SELECTED BY, BY WALKING, LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH, WHICH WE ALREADY KNEW WERE AWARE OF COURSE. AND ALSO WORKING IN CONJUNCTION [04:00:01] WITH THE, UM, UM, HPV STAFF. I THINK AT ONE POINT WE HAD, UH, A VERSION THAT WAS PROBABLY MORE FAITHFUL TO THE, TO THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN ALL OF THEIR COMPONENTS AND, UM, AND, AND COLORS AND PROPORTIONS. AND THEN, UH, IT WENT BACK AND FORTH AND THE DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS ABOUT KOHLER AND THAT IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE MODERN. SO IT WAS A, A, A PROCESS TO GET TO THIS. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, DID YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY SAW IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO ONE TO REDUCE YOU MEN. YOU EVEN KIND OF MENTIONED THAT THE OVERHANG, UH, TO REDUCE THAT. HAVE YOU, THERE'S ALSO, UM, A QUESTION ABOUT MAKING THE COVERED WALKWAY IN THE FRONT, A NON, UM, SOMETHING THAT WAS NON, UH, THAT WAS A DETACHABLE ROOF LIKE STRUCTURE. HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS? UH, NO. THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE VERY RECENT. UM, BUT, UM, OH, OKAY. OR ACTUALLY, THERE, THERE WAS ANOTHER PERSON IN THE OFFICE THAT WAS IN, IN CHARGE OF THE PROJECT AND SO, BUT WE WILL COMPLY WITH WHATEVER IS REQUIRED, IF IT MAKES SENSE, UM, OF, OF COURSE, AND WE CAN WORK WITH, UM, HPV STAFF TO THAT END. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK WE'LL, UM, NOW GO TO WILL DISCLOSURES. ANY DISCLOSURES ON THIS PROJECT? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. OKAY. AND NOW WE WILL OPEN IT TO PUBLIC COMMENT. ROGER, JUST FOR THE AFTERNOON, CAN YOU SAY YOUR WHOLE NAME AND IT JUST OH, SURE. BECAUSE LAST TIME I THINK SOME PEOPLE WALKED IN, THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE CAME. OH, I'M ROGER GOLDBERG, MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION BOARD MY ADDRESS. YEAH, I THINK THESE PEOPLE THOUGHT YOU WERE ROGER AGAIN, LIKE, OH, ROGER AGAIN. LIKE THAT WAS YOUR NAME. OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY. UM, M-D-A-P-L POSES THE REQUEST TO DELETE THE CONDITION. THE, THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY QUITE NICE, UH, LIMITING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SIDE. THE CONDITION WAS PUT IN PLACE AFTER THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WAS DEMOLISHED BY EMERGENCY ORDER. THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED WITH THIS RESTRICTION IN PLACE AND MOVING IT NOW WOULD REALLY SET A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT TOWARDS OTHER PROJECTS, OTHER PROPERTIES, UM, IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS WHERE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT HAS OCCURRED. WE MUST MAINTAIN CONSEQUENCES FOR DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR REASONS, AND SOMETIMES A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY FLEXIBLE AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, ANYONE ON ZOOM? PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. I SEE NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO THE UH, YES, ABSOLUTELY COMMENT. I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND ABOUT, UM, COMPLYING WITH ALL THE REGULATIONS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE ALWAYS TRY TO DO. IN THIS CASE, WE ARE ONLY REQUESTING A WAIVER FOR THE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE, WHICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IT'S A VERY SMALL BUILDING AND I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. BUT THE, UM, THEY ARE A NEW OWNER. MY, MY CLIENT BEFORE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY, HAD COMMUNICATION WITH, UM, MIAMI, MIAMI BEACH ZONING, UH, I, I BELIEVE WITH BETWEEN HIS ATTORNEY AND MIAMI BEACH, UH, STAFF AND IT, IT HAD BEEN AGREED THAT IT, IT WOULD BE, THAT LIMITATION WOULD BE REMOVED. NO, I, I'M GOING TO JUST CLARIFY. UM, WE DID MEET WITH THE APPLICANTS, UM, WE DID ADVISE THEM OF THE PREVIOUS ORDER AND THE CURRENT RESTRICTION. WE ALSO ADVISED THEM THAT THERE IS A PROCESS, UM, TO MODIFY THAT CONDITION. AND WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, PENDING OUR REVIEW OF A, A NEW PROPOSED PROJECT THAT STAFF WOULD, WOULD LIKELY SUPPORT THE MODIFICATION OF THAT CONDITION AS THIS, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN A VACANT PROPERTY FOR OVER 10 YEARS, WHICH IS CAUSING A VERY NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND WE DO BELIEVE THE BEST, UM, THE BEST, UH, COURSE FORWARD IS A NEW HIGH QUALITY BUILDING THAT'S WITHIN THE SCALE AND CONTEXT OF, OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE THIS PROPERTY, UH, VACANT GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION. SO I'M NOT, UH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THE DE DETAILS, BUT THERE, I UNDERSTAND [04:05:01] THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN MY CLIENT. HI, CAN I? SURE. YES, YES, THE BEST. HI, HOW ARE YOU EVERYONE? UH, MY NAME IS AVI OLI. I'M THE DEVELOPER AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT, UH, TE TAK, UH, T SAID BEFORE, I AGREE WITH HER, WHEN WE, UH, WE SAW THE PROPERTY, WE, UH, MADE, UH, COMMUNICATION WITH THE BOARD, I MEAN WITH THE STAFF OF, UH, MIAMI BEACH AND, AND I SEE OUR ATTORNEYS, UH, DID COMMUNICATION WITH DEBBIE, I THINK, OR PART OF THE DEBBIE STAFF. AND, AND AS SHE SAID, UH, OF COURSE THAT WE HAVE TO PASS THE PROCESS AND WE HAVE TO SUBMIT A NEW PROJECT AND, AND SHOW, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE BOARD. SO WE, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE A A YES. UH, SO WE HAVE TO DO OUR JOB. SO JUST TO CLARIFY. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU, UM, DEBBIE, CAN WE KIND OF TALK ABOUT BOTH OF THESE AT THE SAME TIME IN THE SAME THING? OKAY, GOT IT. BECAUSE THERE ARE NO VARIANCES, THERE'S ONE WAIVER OF TO THE TWO FEET, WHICH YOU, DO YOU WANT TO KIND OF JUST CLARIFY THAT SINCE IT WAS BROUGHT UP? UM, SURE. SO THE, UM, THE RESILIENCY STANDARDS IN OUR CODE FOR THE RM ONE, UM, DO SAY THAT THE, THE SPACE BETWEEN DESIGN FOR PARKING LEVELS UNDER A BUILDING THAT THE, THEY, THEY BE 12 FEET IN HEIGHT ABOVE DESIGN, FLOOD ELEVATION, WHICH IN THIS CASE IS NINE. UM, THE BOARD FOR CONTEXTUAL REASONS IS ABLE TO MODIFY THAT THIS IS A VERY LOW SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD. BY ALLOWING THAT WAIVER OF TWO FEET, IT DOES BRING, UH, THE PERCEIVED HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING LOWER. UM, SO, AND IT IS A SMALL LOT. IT'S A SINGLE LOT. UM, WE DO THINK THAT THE, THE WAIVER IS WARRANTED AND ARE SUPPORTIVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, SO I GUESS WE GET TO, UM, BOARD COMMENT. DOES ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS, UM, ABOUT ANY PART OF THIS? I'M GETTING THERE. YOU'RE GETTING THERE. ANYBODY ON THIS SIDE? RIGHT? JUST THAT I LIKE THE DESIGN. I'M HAPPY IT'S NOT WHITE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A COMMENT. I, I LIKE THE DESIGN. I THINK IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO STUFF, YOU KNOW, FIVE POUNDS OF FEATHERS INTO A ONE POUND BAG HERE. UM, THE DRIVEWAY YOU SHOW IS 19 FEET MINUS, MINUS, IN OTHER WORDS, REMOVE THE COLUMNS AND YOU'RE LEFT WITH LIKE 18 FOOT FOR A TWO-WAY DRIVEWAY. THESE ARE VERY TIGHT. AND WHAT'S DICTATING THIS PARKING LAYOUT IS THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT YOU REQUIRE BASED UPON THE UNITS THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING, RIGHT? UH, I BELIEVE WE'RE NOT REQUIRE ANY SPACE IN THIS AREA FOR CORRECT. SMALLER APARTMENT UNITS. SO I UNDERSTAND IT'S, IT'S VERY TIGHT. I SUPPOSE THAT WAS A, A CONCESSION MADE TO, TO MAKE SOME OF THESE SMALL LOTS, UH, MORE, MORE APPEALING AND, AND, AND BUILDABLE. UM, THEY'RE VERY, VERY TIGHT. I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE ARE LIMITED WITHIN THIS SETBACKS AND WE HAD DISCUSSED, UH, DIMENSIONS, UH, BACK AND FORTH WHEN, AND ONE MORE QUESTION I HAVE OF DEBBIE, HOW MUCH ARE WE EXCEEDING THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE BASED ON THE ORIGINAL, UH, CONSTRAINTS? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WE DON'T HAVE A PRECISE OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING BUILDING. WE DO BELIEVE IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 4,000 SQUARE FEET, THE PREVIOUS BUILDING. SO THEY'RE NOW ASKING FOR 8,600. YEAH, CORRECT. ABOUT 8,600. SO ABOUT 4,045 DOUBLING ESSENTIALLY. MORE THAN DOUBLING. CORRECT. SO, SO WHAT'S DRIVING THIS IS THE ECONOMICS, THE PROPERTY, VAL, THE COST OF THE PROPERTY DICTATING WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING ON THERE. RIGHT. IN OTHER WORDS, THE OWNER'S SAYING, I WANT X AND YOU HAVE TO BUILD SO MANY TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE. YES, I GET IT. ALRIGHT, I'M DONE. OKAY. UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE, UH, JUST WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING, DEBBIE? UM, BY LAW, LEAD BY CODE, IF THERE WERE NO HISTORY ON THIS LOT, UH, HOW MUCH THEY COULD BUILD BASED ON CURRENT ZONING, THEY COULD BUILD, UM, A 1.25 FAR. THEY'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING A 1.3, A 1.23. EXCUSE ME. YEAH. OKAY. SO, SO THEY'D BE ABLE TO BUILD PROBABLY, I HAVEN'T DONE THE EXACT MATH, BUT 8,800, CLOSE TO 9,000 SQUARE FEET. SQUARE FEET. OKAY. SO THEY ACTUALLY LOWER BELOW THE [04:10:01] MAXIMUM. THEY'RE SLIGHTLY BELOW THE MAXIMUM. YES. CLOSE. UH, LINDSEY, DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE TO THE BOARD ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? OKAY, THEN, UM, I'LL, I GUESS I'LL JUST ADD THAT, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THIS. UM, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CHALLENGES TO, YOU KNOW, YOU PLACE A O AN ORDER ON A SITE AND YOU EXPECT THAT ORDER TO BE IN PLACE WHEN THE NEXT, UH, OWNER COMES ALONG. I THINK WE OFTEN EXPECT THAT TO BE RELATIVELY SOON AND NOT WAIT A DECADE AFTER WHICH CODES HAVE CHANGED. UM, REQUIREMENTS HAVE CHANGED AND A NUMBER OF OTHER, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE SITE HAS BEEN EMPTY FOR A LONG TIME, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY A CH A BIG CHALLENGE. SO I WOULD, UM, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO, UM, SUPPORT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT IS, UM, ALSO, UM, INCLINED TO SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, CHANGING OF THE, THE ADDITION OF THE WAIVER, THE CHANGING OF THE, UM, REDUCTION OF THE, OF THE OVERHEAD, UM, UH, COVER AND THEN THE DETACHED, UH, COVER ON THE FIRST FLOOR. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT I'D LIKE TO, UH, GIVE THESE GUYS A CHANCE. I THINK THEY'VE STUDIED THE EXISTING STRUCTURES AND KIND OF HAVE SOMETHING I AGREE WITH STAFF THAT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S THERE AND, UM, WOULD ENCOURAGE A, YOU KNOW, A MOTION TO SUPPORT IT. UH, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY VARIANCES, UM, BESIDES THAT, UH, WHICH IS NOT A VARIANCE, BUT BESIDES THE CHA, WHAT, AND JUST AS JUST WHY IS THAT NOT A, A VARIANCE IF YOU HAVE A A, A LIMITATION? IT, IT'S JUST A, YOU CAN JUST DO A FOUR, UH, FOUR VOTE APPROVAL. YEAH. I THINK FOR BOTH THE INTENT OF HAVING IT BE A WAIVER WAS TO INCREASE ITS FLEXIBILITY OF USE. RIGHT. WHEREAS VARIANCE, THE STANDARDS FOR VARIANCE ARE, ARE VERY STRICT. UH, A WAIVER IS MORE OF A FLEXIBLE DESIGN CHOICE THAT THAT COULD BE MADE. BUT I MEANT TO CHANGE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ALLOWED ON THE SITE. WELL, THAT'S NOT A VARIANCE. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A VARIANCE RIGHT'S THAT, BECAUSE THEY'RE, I MEAN, AND REMEMBER, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT ASKING TO EXCEED WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE IF IT WERE A VACANT LOT. RIGHT. UM, THIS IS JUST A, THE BOARD CAN MODIFY CONDITIONS IN ANY OF THEIR PREVIOUS ORDERS, RIGHT. IF THE A, YOU KNOW, IF THE REQUEST IS MADE. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I WOULD, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS ARE, ARE FEELING ABOUT THIS, SO, SO THEN WE CAN VOTE. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT. I WOULD EVERYBODY READY FOR VOTING? THIS ONE? YES. OKAY. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, THE PROJECT, UH, INCLUDING THE, UM, COMMENTS AND REQUESTS BY FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD STAFF. IS THERE A SECOND RAY? SO HOW MANY DO WE NEED ISH? I THINK WE NEED TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS. 'CAUSE THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT FILE NUMBERS AND I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE UP THE MODIFICATION FIRST. MM-HMM . UM, AND THAT IS HPB UH, 25 0 6 4 7. AND HOW MANY VOTES DO WE NEED TO APPROVE TO APPROVE THAT? FIVE. FIVE VOTES. WE NEED FIVE. YEAH, BECAUSE IT WAS IN MODIFICATION FOR AND AFTER THE FACT DEMOLITION. THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THAT, OKAY. SO IT'S LIKE A, A VARIANCE. YOU'D NEED THE SAME NUMBER OF VOTES. YOU NEED THE SAME NUMBER. OKAY. SO I'LL REPHRASE MY, SHOULD I REPHRASE MY MOTION? SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF HPB 25 DASH 0 6 4 7. AND THERE WERE NO, UM, REQUIREMENTS ADDITIONAL HERE. IT'S JUST AN APPROVAL. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT, RAY? OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S A MOTION TO SECOND. LET ME CALL THE ROLL. MR. MEYER? NO. MS. LOVE, YES. MS. CAR. MARGO? YES. MR. BRESLIN? YES. MR. STEWART? YES. OKAY. THAT'S ONLY FOUR, RIGHT? SO THAT FAILS DID NOT PASS. UM, AND THERE ARE REALLY NO CONDITIONS THERE TO CHANGE THAT. SO WE WILL HAVE [04:15:01] TO, UM, PERHAPS DO, CONTINUE THIS, AS WE SAID WE WOULD DO BEFORE. AND CONTINUE IT TO A TIME, PRESUMABLY MAY OR JUNE IF WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE, IF IT'S ALLOWED THE BOARD TO CONTINUE THE APPLICATION, WE WOULD NEED TO RECONSIDER THE PREVIOUS VOTE AND THEN CHANGE THAT. OH, AND THEN CHANGE THAT. YES, EXACTLY. CORRECT. NO, I GET IT. YES. WE SHOULD HAVE MADE THAT A STRUGGLE, BUT WE NEED, UM, OH, SO I ASK IF YOU GUYS ARE READY TO VOTE? ? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. MR. CHAIRMAN, ON A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE MOTION MUST BE MADE BY A MEMBER ON THE PREVAILING SIDE. RIGHT? SO THAT WOULD MEAN THE MOTION WOULD NEED TO BE MADE BY MR. MEYER. OKAY. THAT'S IT. WHICH IS YOUR CALL, BUT PARDON ME. IT'S, IT'S UP TO YOU WHETHER YOU, WHETHER YOU MAKE THAT MOTION. BUT, UH, BUT IN ORDER TO PROPOSE A MOTION TO, TO RECONSIDER ON A, ON A, I JUST WANT TO CLEAR THE AIR, WHAT I SEE HERE HAPPENING HERE, AS I UNDERSTAND THE LOT HAS BEEN VACANT AND I SUPPORT YOUR EFFORTS. WE'RE TRYING TO CRAM SO MUCH INTO SUCH A SMALL PROPERTY. AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'M LOOKING AT THESE FLOOR PLANS. THESE ARE TINY, TINY UNITS. 10 FOOT BY EIGHT FOOT ROOMS, SIX UNITS ON THIS PROPERTY. I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH GOING ABOUT BUILDING SIX STRUCTURES IN MIAMI BEACH. JUST, JUST ONE SECOND. I'M SORRY. SO WHAT ARE YOU ASKING ME TO DO NOW, ? 'CAUSE IT'S GOING AGAINST WHAT I BELIEVE. I, I'M NOT IN TERMS OF VOTING FOR THIS PROJECT. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO DO ANYTHING. I'M JUST ADVISING THE BOARD. IF YOU, IF THE BOARD WISHES TO RECONSIDER THE, THE VOTE ON THE FIRST APPLICATION, WHICH IS THE MODIFICATION TO THE PRIOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, THAT, THAT MOTION TO RECONSIDER WOULD NEED TO BE MADE BY A MEMBER WHO VOTED ON THE PREVAILING SIDE. ONLY YOU, IN ORDER TO CONTINUE CAN I, I, IN ORDER TO CONTINUE, CAN I ASK, CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION? ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE WITH THIS PROJECT? CAN I, THAT'S FINE. IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME BACK, THEY CAN COME BACK AND MODIFY THEIR PLAN. I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT TO MAKING THAT MOTION. SO YOU HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RE RECONSIDER TO MO. SO THE MOTION SOUNDS LIKE HAS BEEN MADE. IS THERE A SECOND TO THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER? I WILL SECOND THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT, OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. ALL DO YOU WANNA DO THE ROLL? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE RECONSIDERATION? AYE. AYE. OKAY, GREAT. ALRIGHT. SO GO AHEAD ELIZABETH. LINDSAY. OH, LINDSAY. WELL, I MEAN, I, I THINK MY QUESTION WAS GOT US, WAS GONNA GET US WHERE WE ARE. UM, SO NOW I THINK WE'RE, WE'VE GONE, WE'VE TAKEN A STEP BACK, RIGHT? OKAY. WE HAVEN'T DENIED IT, BUT NOW IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE GOING TO GET AN APPROVAL TODAY WITH FIVE VOTES. AND SO I WOULD MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE THE APPLICATION UNTIL WE HAVE A FULL BOARD. AND DO WE THEN HAVE TO GIVE FEEDBACK OR BOTH APPLICATIONS? BOTH APPLICATIONS? I WOULD MOVE THAT WE, WE CONTINUE BOTH APPLICATIONS. YES. UM, UNTIL WE HAVE A FULL BOARD, UM, WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET YOUR FIVE VOTES THAT YOU NEED IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD. I BELIEVE THE DATE THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT WOULD BE AT LEAST JUNE 17TH. JUNE 17TH. . THANKS RAY. UM, DO WE NEED TO GIVE THEM FEEDBACK IN A SENSE SENSE? I WAS ONLY GOING TO, I WAS ONLY GONNA RECOMMEND THAT YOU LISTEN TO WHAT MY COLLEAGUE SAID ABOUT HOW YOU TALK ABOUT THE SIZE, THE APARTMENT SIZES, COMPARE IT TO OTHER APARTMENT SIZES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING, I MEAN, JUST GIVE SOME CONTEXT FOR THAT. SO IT'S, IT'S UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCES ON THE SITE AND YOU'RE NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE, IT IS A, A NEIGHBORHOOD OF SMALL APARTMENTS. SO YOU MAYBE YOU KIND OF LOOK AT THAT AND KIND OF TEE THAT UP A LITTLE TEE THE PRESENTATION UP A LITTLE BIT. SO IT'S MORE, UM, YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE, WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND YOU HAVE THE REDESIGNS THAT THE STAFF ARE REQUESTING ALREADY IN THE NEW, IN THE NEW DRAWINGS. UM, BECAUSE THESE WILL, THESE QUESTIONS WILL COME BACK UP. UM, RIGHT. WE'LL ADDRESS. YEAH. YEAH. YOU'LL BE, YEAH. MM-HMM . SO, UM, LET'S GO FOR A, UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE UNTIL THE JUNE 17TH, UH, MEETING THE FIRST, UH, THE, BOTH THE, THE FIRST CAN WE DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME? YES. OH, PERFECT. THEN SECOND, I DIDN'T DO IT. I DIDN'T MOTION ANYBODY. NO. OH, YOU DID? LINDSAY MADE THE MOTION. YEAH, I MADE A MOTION MOTION ON THE TABLE. I SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. OKAY. AND THAT'S TO CONTINUE BOTH APPLICATIONS TO THE JUNE MEETING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU. [04:20:08] I DIDN'T SEE THE AREA. NO, I JUST SAW THE DIMENSIONS. OKAY. THE, UH, [7. HPB23-0571, 321 Jefferson Avenue.] NEXT APPLICATION ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, HPB 23 0 5 7 1. THIS IS 3 21 JEFFERSON AVENUE. AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCE. UM, SUBJECT SITE CONTAINS A ONE STORY STRUCTURE. UH, IT'S A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING CONSTRUCTED IN 1935, DESIGNED BY LESTER AVERY IN WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE MAINSTREAM VERNACULAR STYLE. IT'S A, IT'S A VERY SIMPLE, UM, RELATIVELY UNADORNED BUILDING. UH, IT DOES REMAIN SUBSTANTIALLY INTACT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DOOR AND WINDOW REPLACEMENTS. UM, THE BOARD DID REVIEW A, A PROPOSED PROJECT, UM, LAST YEAR. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS, IT WAS IN JULY OF LAST YEAR, SO ALMOST ONE YEAR AGO. UM, THE BOARD HAD SOME COMMENTS. UM, THE APPLICATION WAS ULTIMATELY DEFERRED BY THE APPLICANT AND WE RENO, UM, THE APPLICATION FOR TODAY'S MEETING, UM, SINCE THAT HEARING STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT. UM, AND THE, THE DESIGN HAS BEEN FURTHER EVOLVED, UM, INCLUDING THE FRONT FACADE OF THE, UH, PORTION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING HAS BEEN FURTHER REFINED TO MAINTAIN ALL EXISTING, UH, OPENINGS, INCLUDING A NEW DECORATIVE SCREENING THAT WAS PROPOSED TO BE INTRODUCED WITHIN THOSE WINDOWS. UH, THE FRONT SITE WALL HAS BEEN ELIMINATED. THE DESIGN OF THE ADDITION HAS ALSO BEEN, UH, FURTHER DEVELOPED, INCLUDING THE INTRODUCTION OF AN EYEBROW AT THE ROOF LEVEL, UH, FACING JEFFERSON AVENUE AND THE INTRODUCTION OF A DECORATIVE LOUVRE SCREENING IN AND COMPOSITE WOOD CLADDING. UM, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE FURTHER DEVELOPED DESIGN, UH, WHICH WE DO BELIEVE IS, IS NOT ONLY CONSISTENT WITH STAFF'S DIRECTION AT THE TIME FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT ALSO THE BOARD'S, UH, DIRECTION. WE, WE DO HAVE, UH, ONE CONDITION THAT WE WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO CONSIDER. UM, IN TERMS OF OUR RECOMMENDATION, THAT WOULD BE TO EXTEND THE SIDE WALLS OF THE BUILDING FURTHER TO THE, UH, TO CONNECT WITH THE NEW ADDITION TO, TO RESOLVE WHAT WE THINK NOW IS SOMEWHAT OF AN AWKWARD RELATIONSHIP WHERE WE'RE JUST CHOPPING THE FRONT, UH, OF THE BUILDING OFF AND DETACHING IT FROM THE NEW ADDITION. UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD RESO BY CONTINUING THOSE WALLS TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING THAT WOULD RESOLVE, UM, AN, AN AWKWARD, UH, CONDITION. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT AND WE ARE, UH, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS, RAY OR? NOPE. MIC'S ON RAY. NO QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, WELCOME. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ESGAR FATTY WITH FATTY ARCHITECTS AT 46 20 SOUTHWEST 55 AVENUE DAVY. UH, AFTER MANY MEETINGS AND, UH, DISCUSSION WITH THE STAFF, WE DECIDED TO KEEP THE FRONT WALL OF THE EXISTING DESIGNATED HISTORIC BUILDING AS A PEDESTRIAN ENTRY TO THE BUILDING AND ALSO AS A SCREEN TO, UH, FOR THE PARKING AT THE GROUND LEVEL. UH, THE OPENINGS, AS SHE MENTIONED, WERE KEPT AT THE EXACT LOCATION. THE WALL IS GONNA BE REINFORCED, IS STRUCTURALLY THE ONLY COMMENT I WANT TO MAKE ABOUT CONNECTING THIS WALL TO THE NEW FOREST STORY BUILDING. I THINK WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT THE STRUCTURALLY, I GOT ONE STORY WALL AND I'VE GOT A FOUR STORY BUILDING. I THINK THE MOVEMENT OF THESE TWO ELEMENTS IS GONNA PROVIDE CRACKS AND THIS, THIS ABILITY FOR THE ONE STORY SCREEN WALL, WE COULD MAYBE HAVE DECORATIVE, UH, GATES TO CONNECT IT TO THE COLUMN AT THE, UH, GROUND LEVEL. SO IT WOULD BE CONNECTED AND IT'S NOT SEEN FROM THE JEFFERSON AVENUE. ANYWAYS. WE ARE BRINGING THE WALL BACK ABOUT 12 FEET BACK INTO [04:25:01] THE SITE. UH, THE BUILDING IS A FORESTRY APARTMENT. GROUND LEVEL IS PARKING. UH, SECOND LEVEL HAS THREE UNITS, TWO BEDROOM UNITS, AND ONE BEDROOM. UH, AN AREA FOR GYM. THE THIRD FLOOR IS GOT FOUR UNITS, TWO, TWO BEDROOM UNITS, AND TWO ONE BEDROOM UNITS. ON THE THIRD LEVEL, WE HAVE TWO UNITS OF THREE BEDROOM EACH. AND THE ROOF IS DESIGNATED AS A ROOF TERRACE. IT IS SCREENED WITH PLANTER ALL THE WAY AROUND TO SOFTEN THE BUILDING AND ALSO PROVIDE PRIVACY FOR THE ROOF TERRACE. UH, THE SIDE FACADE, BECAUSE OF THE LENGTHY WALL OF 98 FEET, 92 FEET PLUS IS BEEN BROKEN ON BOTH SIDES WITH, UH, UH, COMPOSITE, UH, WOOD CLADDING TO KIND OF BREAK IN THAT LONG, UH, LOOKING WALL ON THE SIDES, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ONLY FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY. BUT IT KIND OF BREAKS THAT, UH, THAT WALL IN AND THEIR ACCENT BY, UH, COMPOSITE WITH CLADDING. I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EXPLAINED THE PROJECT. IF THERE IS ANY QUESTION, I'LL BE MORE THAN THAT. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NOPE, IT IS WHAT? . IT'S OKAY. I JUST, ARE YOU THE SAME ARCHITECT THAT PRESENTED BEFORE? I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE, NO. OH, NO. SO THE PREVIOUS DESIGN WAS NOT BY YOU? UH, YES, IT WAS BY OUR OFFICE. OH, OKAY. BUT IT WASN'T BY ME. NO, NO. OKAY. I JUST I JUST WAS TRYING TO OUT WAS THE SAME MARKET. NO, I WAS ABSENT THE LAST MEETING. OH, NO, NO, THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? RAY? JUST, IS THERE ANY PROBLEM WITH EXTENDING THE SIDE WALLS BACK TO THE BUILDING THAT, UH, THAT, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING? NO. NO, NO, NO. I SAID I HAVE NO PROBLEM. THEY'RE ABOUT 12 FEET BACK IN ANYWAYS. THEY'RE NOT SEEN FROM EITHER SIDE OF JEFFERSON AVENUE, FIVE FEET WIDE SETBACKS, BUT I HAVE PROBLEM EXTENDING IT BACK. I MEAN, THEY'RE ONLY LIKE THREE FEET AWAY FROM THE STRUCTURAL COLUMN. THEY ARE EXTENDED BACK, WHAT? FOUR? NO, NO PROBLEM. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN MORE THAN LOVELY TO WORK WITH . ALL RIGHT. ANOTHER STAFF. IT'S BEEN THE STAFF, UM, GIVE LOVE TO STAFF DAY. SO IT'S EXCELLENT. YOU GUYS DESERVE, EVERYBODY LOVES YOU DESERVE ALL OF IT. . EVERYBODY LOVES HIM. SO, UM, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? IF NOT, WE WILL GO, WE WILL GO TO, UM, UH, BOARD DISCLOSURES, NO DISCLOSURES. ANY DISCLOSURES. NO DISCLOSURES. AND IF NOT, IF NO DISCLOSURES, WE'LL GO RIGHT TO THE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE PLEASE COME FORWARD. MR. ROGER AGAIN? YES, . HI. I'M LITTLE CONFUSED. ARE YOU STILL KEEPING THE FACADE? KEEPING THE WHAT? THE FACADE? YES, WE ARE. OKAY. THAT'S ON THIS RECORD. OKAY. ROGER BLAD, UH, M-D-P-L-I THOUGHT HE MOVED AROUND A LITTLE BIT. UH, WE, WE ACTUALLY OPPOSED THE NEW COMPLETE DEMOLITION OF THE CONTRIBUTING HISTORIC BUILDING. WHILE WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS IN REDEFINING AND REFINING THE DESIGN WITH STRONG CONCERNS ABOUT THE LIMITED RETENTION OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING AND LACK OF INTEGRATION INTO THE NEW STRUCTURE, SUCH DEMOLITION ONLY PRESERVING THE FRONT FACADE IS NOT THE PURPOSE OF WHAT HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS MADE FOR. THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN SCALE AND COMPATIBLE DESIGN ELEMENTS FAILED TO HONOR HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AFTERNOON, SIR, I'M WITH THE MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER MEMBERS WISHING TO COMMENT. ALRIGHT. UM, THEN WE HAVE, UM, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO SAY IN RESPONSE TO THE MDPL? NO, I'M FINE WITH THAT. OKAY. THEN NOW, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. WE'LL GO TO BOARD. UH, COMMENT LINDSAY? NO. OKAY. ANY, UH, ANY BOARD MEMBER LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS, ON THIS PROJECT? UM, YES, LINDSAY, NOT A COMMENT, BUT WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH COMMENT, I HAVE NO, NO. OH, ELIZABETH, I GONNA MAKE SUGGESTIONS. PLEASE MAKE SUGGESTIONS. YES, [04:30:01] . SORRY. NO, UH, I THINK, I MEAN THIS DESIGN IS MUCH BETTER THAN THE ONE WE SAW BEFORE. THANK YOU. AND I'M VERY HAPPY THAT UNFORTUNATELY WE MADE YOU GO BACK AND THINK AGAIN, BUT WAS FOR A GOOD CAUSE. UM, SO THE ONLY THING I WOULD, I, WHEN I LOOK AT THE DRAWING, I FEEL LIKE THERE IS THIS MOTHER BUILDING SITTING BEHIND THIS ONE STAR STRUCTURE. UM, AND I REALLY LIKE THE, UM, METAL RAILING THAT YOU ARE PROVIDING, THE OPENINGS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. SO I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF POSSIBLE SOME KIND OF LANGUAGE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE ONE STORY BUILDING THAT YOU SEE THERE AND THE NEW BUILDING THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. SO YOU SELL, YOU HAVE ALL THESE VERY LINEAR AND MODERN RAILINGS ON THE BUILDING. SO MAYBE IF YOU COULD ADD A LITTLE DETAIL ON THE CORNERS OR SOMEWHERE TO HAVE SOME RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TRUCTURE, THE FRONT, I THINK THAT COULD BE A POSITIVE CHANGE. ACTUALLY, WE ARE KEEPING IT TOTALLY SEPARATED TO SHOW OLD AND THE NEW. SO IT IS PURPOSELY SEPARATED, BUT I DON'T WANT ANY CONNECTION BETWEEN THESE TWO. THERE IS AN OLD ONE AND THERE'S A NEW ONE, A MODERN NEW ONE BEHIND IT. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. BUT THEY ARE PART OF ONE SLOT AND THEY ARE KIND OF WORKING TOGETHER IN A SENSE BECAUSE ONE IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE OTHER MM-HMM . SO THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT IF THERE WOULD BE SOME KIND OF, I'M NOT SAYING A STRONG CONNECTION, BUT LIKE I MENTIONED TOO, WELL WE RESPECT THE LITTLE ONE DOWN THERE AND WE ARE BACK HERE. I SEE SOME KIND OF CONNECTION. I THINK THAT WOULD BE POSITIVE TO THE BUILDING. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, YES. ANY, UH, LINDSAY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? ANYBODY ELSE? I'D LIKE, PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE A COMMENT. UM, YOUR DRAWINGS SHOW THE BUILDING HEIGHT TO BE 39 AND A HALF FEET TALL. CORRECT. BUT IN REALITY, IN IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS, IT'S MORE LIKE 60 FEET TALL ALMOST. CORRECT? NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SEVEN 60 STORY NEXT DOOR TO US. ONE BLOCK. ONE BLOCK. I'M LOOKING AT YOUR DRAWING A FIVE, RIGHT? YEAH. THAT'S TWO BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO US. BUT A BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO THAT IS FIVE STORY APARTMENT, ONE BUILDING. THERE IS THREE OF THEM TO THE LEFT. THERE WAS, IF YOU SEE THE PICTURES ON THE FIRST FEW PAGES, YOU WILL SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I SEE THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS BEING TWO STORIES OR AT THE MOST THREE STORIES. YOU'RE S THE TWO ADJACENT BUILDINGS ARE TWO STORY. YES, YOU'RE CORRECT. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE, CAN YOU STAY ON, CAN YOU STAND ON THE MIC? WHERE IS THERE FIVE? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? UH, ON JEFFERSON? ON JEFFERSON ON 4 0 1. YEAH. WITH 3 0 1 ON JEFFERSON SOUTH OF US NEXT TO THAT TWO STORY BUILDING, THERE'S A FIVE STORY, MAYBE ABOUT 500 UNITS APARTMENT THERE. AND RIGHT BEHIND US THERE IS FEW OTHER OFF OF MARY. THEN THERE'S A FEW OTHER, ABOUT FOUR, FIVE STORY APARTMENTS. RIGHT. NO, I SEE IT. I SEE IT ON 3 0 1. THOSE WERE THE, CORRECT, THOSE ARE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PICTURES, BUILDINGS BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES MM-HMM . OR LATE SIXTIES. YES. THAT WERE ALLOWED TO GO TO THAT HEIGHT. YES. YES. CORRECT. THOSE ATROCIOUS BUILDINGS. YEAH. . UM, SO NOW WE'RE REPEATING THAT WITH ALL THESE TALL BUILDINGS IN THE AREA IN A VERY BASICALLY LOW RISE BUILDINGS, TWO TO THREE STORES. AND WE'RE COMING IN WITH ESSENTIALLY A FIVE OR SIX I STORY. I SHOW YOU THE I UNDERSTAND YOUR THANK YOU CONCERN. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I THINK WITH THAT, UM, LINDSAY, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? NO, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT COMMENTS THEN NO, I WAS GOING, I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT, UM, MAYBE CRAFTING A MOTION, BUT, UM, AROUND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT GO AHEAD. OKAY. UM, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY AGAIN, WE NEED FIVE VOTES FOR THIS APPLICATION. WE NEED FIVE BECAUSE OF THE 'CAUSE OF THE DEMOLITION, BECAUSE OF DEMOLITION, DEMOLITION. FIVE, THE DEMOLITION. YEAH. AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT YOU WANNA CRAFT A MOTION. MM-HMM . I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST MM-HMM . THAT PERHAPS WE, STRAW POLL. POLL. YES. A STRAW POLL WOULD BE GOOD. THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH ALL THAT. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SO LET'S DO A STRAW POLL TO SEE WHETHER, HOW MANY OF US WOULD BE WILLING TO GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS AND, UM, WHERE WE CAN GO FROM THERE. SO RAY, YES. YES. SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. THIS, UH, RIGHT WITH THE, WITH THE CHANGES WITH THE WALLS COMING BACK. YES. THEY ARE OUR, OUR EXPERT OPINIONS AND EXPERT. YES, THEY ARE. YES. YES, YES. OKAY. ELIZABETH? YES. AND LINDSAY? YES. WOW. YES. AND I'M, YES. SO WE WOULD HAVE IT IF WE TOOK A VOTE, WE [04:35:01] WOULD HAVE THE, OH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION. DOES THAT INCORPORATE ELIZABETH'S COMMENTS? YES OR NO? WE, ELIZABETH'S COMMENTS WOULD BE, COULD BE ADDED TO THAT. WE DIDN'T YEAH, OF COURSE WE COULD. IN A MOTION. YEAH. PERFECT. DO YOU WANT TO, WOULD YOU MAKE A MOTION? SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PROJECT HPB 23 DASH 0 5 71 3 21 JEFFERSON AVENUE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF AND ELIZABETH FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE RATINGS OF THE PROPOSED NEW BUILDING AND TRY TO CREATE SOME KIND OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THEM AND THE PROPOSED RAILING FOR THE ONE STAR BUILDING. OKAY. THAT'S VERY CLEAR. THANK YOU. UM, SO WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND. DID WE HAVE A SECOND YET? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. LET ME CALL THE ROLE MS LEVEL. YES. MR. MEYER? YES. MR. BRESLIN? YES. MS. CARGO? YES. MR. STEWART? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE NEXT APPLICATION [9. HPB24-0610, 3611, 3621 & 3651 Collins Avenue.] ON THE AGENDA IS HPB 24 0 6 1 0. THIS IS 36 11 36 21, AND 36 51 COLLINS AVENUE. AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW RESIDENTIAL AND HOTEL DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT 36 11 AND 36 21 COLLINS AVENUE. UH, THE SUBJECT UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT SITE CURRENTLY CONTAINS THREE BUILDINGS, UH, THE CONTRIBUTING CORAL REEF HOTEL LOCATED AT 36 11 COLLINS. THE CONTRIBUTING, UH, PATRICIA HOTEL LOCATED AT 36 21 COLLINS AND THE BEACH HOUSE EIGHT CONDOMINIUM LOCATED AT 36 51 COLLINS AVENUE. UH, THE PROPOSED SCOPE OF WORK FOR THIS APPLICATION IS LIMITED TO THE, THE 36 11 AND 36 21 COLLINS AVENUE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, AND INCLUDES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL AND HOTEL DEVELOPMENT. NO WORK IS PROPOSED FOR THE BEACH HOUSE EIGHT CONDOMINIUM PORTION OF THE SITE. UM, STAFF HAS PROVIDED A, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE RESILIENCY AND SAFE STRUCTURES ACT. THIS APPLICATION, IT HAS BEEN FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT, WHICH IS WHY, UM, THE APPLICANT IS NOT BEFORE THIS BOARD REQUESTING THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING, UH, STRUCTURES AT 36 11 AND 36 21, UH, COLLINS AVENUE. BOTH OF THESE PROPERTIES, UM, ARE QUALIFYING UNDER THAT STATE LAW. UM, AND THE BUILDING PERMITS FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THOSE STRUCTURES ARE CURRENTLY BEING REVIEWED AT AN ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL. UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A NEW 17 STORY MIXED USE BUILDING WITH 23 RESIDENCES IN 36 HOTEL ROOMS. THERE WILL ALSO BE, UH, DINING VENUES IN A SPA. UH, THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS COMPOSED OF TWO MAIN PARTS, A TWO STORY PODIUM AND A 15 STORY TOWER. THE PODIUM IS PROPOSED TO BE CLAD IN A NATURAL STONE MATERIAL. IT, IT FEATURES FLUIDED TWO STORY DECORATIVE COLUMNS AROUND THE PERIMETER. UM, AND THE PRIMARY GLASS TOWER FEATURES WRAPAROUND BALCONIES WITH GUARDRAILS COMPOSED OF FLUTED TERRACOTTA PANELS TOPPED WITH FRITTED GLASS. UH, STEPH IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE, UH, DESIGN OF THE BUILDING IN PARTICULAR, WE THINK THE PEDESTAL, UH, PORTION REALLY HELPS, UH, CREATE A MORE PEDESTRIAN SCALE ALONG COLLINS AVENUE AND IS CONSISTENT WITH, UM, WITH THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC DISTRICT. IN TERMS OF SCALE AND MASSING, UM, WE DO HAVE ONE CONCERN, UH, REGARDING THE LOCATION OF THE SERVICE AREAS ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE, UH, OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS FRONTING ON 36TH STREET. UH, THIS AREA INCLUDES BUILDING SERVICES, INCLUDING A GENERATOR AND FP AND L VAULT ROOM AND LOADING DOCKS. UM, THERE'S ALSO A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF CURB CUTS ALONG THIS AREA AS THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, AS THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR THAT RUNS TO THE BEACH ITSELF. [04:40:01] UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THIS AREA, THAT THERE'S A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, UM, ACTIVE USE PORTION OF THE SITE. UM, AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE APPLICANT AT A MINIMUM, UH, LOOK AT REDESIGNING THIS, WHICH COULD INCLUDE THE RELOCATION OF THE FP AND L. UM, AND CERTAINLY THE GENERATOR. THE GENERATOR CAN BE, YOU KNOW, ALMOST ANYWHERE ON THE SITE. UM, JUST TO INTRODUCE SOME MORE ACTIVE USES. THIS WOULD ALSO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED CURB CUTS AND CREATE A, A BETTER URBAN CONDITION. UM, FINALLY, STAFF WOULD NOTE, AND WE'VE JUST NOTED THIS, UM, THIS IS NOT, UH, FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION TODAY, BUT THE, THE SOME OF THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS FOR THE PROPERTY WILL, UH, REQUIRE RELIEF. THEY ARE CURRENTLY SEEKING THAT, THAT RELIEF IN THE FORM OF A CITY COMMISSION WARRANT. THE CITY COMMISSION IS AUTHORIZED TO, UH, REDUCE THE SETBACKS UP TO 25%. UM, THE, THE REDUCTION IN THE SETBACK IS REALLY A PRODUCT OF THE BEACH HOUSE EIGHT CONDOMINIUM. UH, I KNOW THEY, YOU KNOW, AS A UNIFIED SITE, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER TO FIND AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THE TOWER. THE TOWER HAS BEEN SEPARATED NINE FEET FROM THE BEACH HOUSE, EIGHT CONDOMINIUM. UM, BUT SINCE BEACH HOUSE EIGHT CURRENTLY HAS A, A NON-CONFORMING SETBACK, TAKING THE SUM OF THE SIDE YARDS, WHICH IS A PERCENTAGE OF THE LOT WIDTH, UM, TAKING THE BEACH HOUSE EIGHT SETBACK INTO CONSIDERATION HAS THE EFFECT OF NOT MEETING THE SUM OF THE SIDE YARDS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SOUTH SIDE SETBACK FOR THEIR TOWER, UM, DOES MEET THESE, THE SINGLE SIDE SETBACK. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A RELATIVELY NEW PROCESS, UM, IN TERMS OF THE COMMISSION WARRANT PROCESS, BUT THEY'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY VARIANCES, UM, OR ANY WAIVERS FROM THIS BOARD. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. I HAD A, I HAD A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, DEBBIE. IT MAY AND JUST AS, UM, YOU MAY NOT, MAYBE THE APPLICANT SHOULD PUT ANSWER, BUT, BUT JUST FOR YOU, HOW, UM, SO THE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP, IT'S A, IT'S A COMBINED LOT, BUT ONE OF THE, ONE OF IT'S NOT. UM, CAN YOU DE, CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR ME THE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP WITH THE CONDOMINIUM ON THE SITE? THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT SITE, YES. WHICH WOULD BE, UM, THE BEACH HOUSE. EIGHT CONDOMINIUM IS ONE OWNER, AND THEN THE OWNER FOR THE OTHER TWO PARCELS IS THE SECOND OWNER. THAT'S WHO THE IS IS GONNA BE COMING BEFORE YOU TODAY. HOWEVER, THEY'RE BOTH CO-APPLICANT, THEY HAVE BOTH AUTHORIZED THE APPLICATION, UM, AND ARE BEFORE YOU TODAY, UM, AS A UNIFIED, A PROPOSED UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT SITE THAT THE, WE WILL REQUIRE AN ACTUAL COVENANT IN LIEU OF UNITY AT THE TIME WOULD REVIEW THE BUILDING PERMIT. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING. 'CAUSE I'M NOT, HAVEN'T BEEN FAMILIAR WITH THAT BEFORE, BUT YEAH. DIDN'T WE RECENTLY HAVE A UNIFIED, WASN'T ISN'T WASHINGTON, WASN'T THAT A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT SITE? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. 'CAUSE THERE'S MULTIPLE OWNERS, WE'VE HAD UNIFIED SITES, BUT IT, THIS, I THOUGHT THIS WAS WITH THE CONDOMINIUM ON IT AS ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CO-OWNERS WAS A LITTLE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. IT'S, YEAH, JUST, IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND LIKE THE UNITY OF TITLE WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW. YEP, YEP, YEP, YEP. OKAY. GREAT. ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DEVIN? ALRIGHT, ALL YOURS. WELCOME. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, NEESON KADEN AND, UH, CECILIA TORRES TOLEDO OF AKERMAN, LLP AS WELL AS TRACY SLAVIN OF LSN REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. UH, WITH ME TODAY AS WELL IS THE CEO OF THE, UH, PRINCIPAL DEVELOPER 13TH FLOOR, OR NO CORTE, AS WELL AS THE COO RAY MELDY. UH, WE HAVE OUR ARCHITECTURE TEAM HERE LED BY BRANDON HALL OF BRANDON HALL ARCHITECTURE, AND ALSO BARBARA PERLE OF LUIS RTA RTA ARCHITECTURE, WHO IS THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD IVANA BECKER OF, UH, AN AL LANDSCAPE, AS WELL AS OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS, UH, ADRIAN DUKOWSKI. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK STAFF FOR WORKING WITH US ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH. I'D LIKE TO BEGIN OUR PRESENTATION, IF WE CAN HAVE IT PUT UP THERE. THERE WE GO. UH, THIS IS A VERY EXCITING NEW, UH, PROJECT WHICH IS BEING BROUGHT TO THIS CITY. IT IS THE ANI A BRAND, UH, THAT IS BEING BROUGHT HERE. I SEE HOW I ADVANCE THIS, RIGHT? OKAY. I'M TRYING TO ADVANCE THIS, DO I [04:45:01] THAT NOT IT, DO IT THAT WAY. LET ME MOVE MICROPHONES, . OKAY. UM, AND SO FIRST I THINK YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION. THIS IS A 3,600 BLOCK OF COLLINS AVENUE. IT CONSISTS OF THE THREE BUILDINGS, AS DEBBIE DESCRIBED, ONE OF 36, 11, 36, 21, AND ALSO THE, UH, BEACH HOUSE EIGHT, WHICH IS INCLUDED BY UNITY OF TITLE. FIRST IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHIN WHICH THIS SITS. THIS IS AN AREA OF COLLINS AVENUE, REALLY FROM UH, 23RD STREET NORTH TO THE FOUNTAIN BLUE, WHICH WAS LARGELY DEVELOPED IN THE LATE 1930S INTO LATE 1940S WITH GRAND OCEAN FRONT HOTELS, INCLUDING HOTELS, FAMOUS HOTELS SUCH AS THE CADILLAC, THE CROWN, THE VERSAILLES, THE SEA AISLE, UH, THE SAXONY. NOW THE ANA, THESE HOTELS IN DISTINCTION FROM THE HOTELS DEVELOPED EARLIER IN SOUTH BEACH WERE LARGER. UH, THEY WERE OCEAN FRONT PROPERTIES. THEY HAD GRAND ENTRANCES. UH, AND THAT WAS THE CHARACTERISTIC LOOK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SINCE THEN, NEW BUILDINGS OF GREAT CHARACTER AND QUALITY HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IMPROVED BY THIS BOARD, INCLUDING THE FAINA HOUSE, WHICH BRANDON HALL WAS THE ARCHITECT ON, AND MOST MORE RECENTLY THE AMAN, UH, BY KGO KUMA, AS WELL AS OTHER BUILDINGS OF EQUIVALENT STATURE AND, UH, FEEL IN THAT AREA. THIS IS A LOOK LOOKING UP NORTH IN COLLINS AVENUE. THE FIRST BUILDING YOU'VE SEEN THE FOREGROUND IS THE ANA HOUSE BY HALL, FOLLOWED BY KGO KUMA, UH, UH, AMAN. AND THEN YOU SEE THE, UH, RESTORED VERSAILLES, WHICH WILL BE THE AMAN HOTEL, WHICH IS IN PROCESS NOW. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, HISTORICALLY, THIS WAS THE CHARACTER OF THIS PORTION OF COLLINS AVENUE. IT IS WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF THE GRANT HOTELS WITH BEAUTIFUL ENTRANCES, VEHICULAR ENTRANCES AND GARDENS IN FRONT. THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW, AGAIN, THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH DOWN ON COLLINS AVENUE, LOOKING TOWARDS THE SAX, THE ANA, ALSO THE VERSAILLES, THE OLD WHITMAN HOTEL, WHICH, UH, IS NO LONGER THERE. AND SO TODAY WHAT WE HAVE ON THIS PROPERTY ARE THREE BUILDINGS. THE BEACH HOUSE IS IN THE FOREGROUND, AND THEN YOU SEE 36, 21 AND 36 11. THESE BUILDINGS ARE NOT CHARACTERISTIC OF THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE THE SIGNATURE OF THE EAST SIDE OF COLLINS AVENUE IN THE THIRTIES AND THE FORTIES. THESE WERE ANOMALOUS STRUCTURES WHICH WERE BUILT AT AN EARLIER TIME. THEY WERE INEXPENSIVE. UH, THEY'VE OUTLIVED THEIR USEFUL LIVES AND PURPOSES, AND THEY'RE ALSO, FRANKLY, UNSAFE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT RESILIENT. THIS IS ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE LOOKING AT THE SITE FROM THE SOUTH. THIS IS THE 36TH STREET SIDE. AND WE WILL ADDRESS, UH, A LITTLE BIT LATER HOW WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR 36TH STREET IS A VAST IMPROVEMENT IN TERMS OF ACTIVA ACTIVATION OF THE STREET AND MAKING IT A MUCH MORE WELCOMING STREET. AND IN THAT REGARD, WE WILL LATER ASK YOU TO CONSIDER OUR APPROACH TOWARDS THE 36TH STREET SIDE BECAUSE, UH, THERE IS NO OTHER FEASIBLE PLACE TO LOCATE THE, DRIVE, THE, THE, THE LOADING DOCKS, THE FP AND L VAULT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK YOU'LL SEE WHAT BRANDON DID IS AN EXCELLENT TREATMENT OF THAT STREET, WHICH MAKES IT A REALLY, TRULY GREAT PEDESTRIAN STREET FACING THE PARK. THIS IS THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THE SITE THAT WILL BE DEMOLISHED. AND BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO BRANDON, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SPEAK FOR A MOMENT ABOUT THE ENORMOUS SUPPORT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM NEIGHBORS AND STAKEHOLDERS LEADING WITH, AND WE WILL, WE WILL DISTRIBUTE TO YOU A PACKAGE OF ALL THEIR LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND ENDORSEMENT, INCLUDING FIRST AND FOREMOST THE MID BEACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS THE PRINCIPAL ASSOCIATION FOR THAT PART OF MIAMI BEACH, THE FAINA HOUSE CONDOMINIUM. AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ACTUALLY TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE LETTERS. THE, THE SINCE NOT ONLY THE SINCERITY, BUT THE STRENGTH WITH WHICH THEY THINK THIS PROJECT IS SO GOOD AND SO APPROPRIATE FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THE CARIBBEAN CONDOMINIUM, WHICH IS THE LARGE CONDOMINIUM IN THE SOUTH BEACH, HAY HOUSE EIGHT CONDOMINIUM AS WELL, THE COLLINS PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, BUT ALSO MANY PROMINENT NEIGHBORS, INCLUDING, YOU'LL SEE A LETTER FROM ALAN FAINA, WHO IS SINGULARLY RESPONSIBLE REALLY FOR TURNING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND BY HIS CREATION OF THE FAENA DISTRICT. AND HE VIEWS THIS PROJECT AS BEING A NEXT STEP IN THE FURTHER POSITIVE EVOLUTION OF THE AREA. AS WELL AS, BY THE WAY, HUMANA CAMINOS, WHO IS OF OBVIOUSLY FAMOUS ARCHITECT AND HAS HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THE CREATION OF THE DISTRICT. SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER [04:50:01] TO BRANDON. WE WILL NEED MR. CHAIR A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. I SEE THE CLOCK IS RUNNING DOWN, BUT WE'LL NEED ABOUT ANOTHER 15 MINUTES, I THINK. THANK YOU. YOU WANT 15? THANK YOU NATHANSON, UH, CHAIRMAN, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD STAFF, UH, IT'S GREAT PLEASURE TO BE HERE. ONCE MORE, UM, JUST DO THE TECHNICAL, UM, ASPECT. YES. OKAY. SO, UM, THE CYPRIANI BRAND, UM, 1931, GIUSEPPE CYPRIANI IN VENICE, UM, CREATED HARRY'S BAR, VERY FAMOUS. IT'S A PLACE, UM, THAT'S CLASSICAL, CLASSIC, TIMELESS QUEEN ELIZABETH VISITED, UH, ELIZABETH TAYLOR VISITED, UM, MANY, MANY DIGNITARIES. THERE'S A PICTURE THERE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT OF ENNIS HEMINGWAY WITH GIUSEPPE CYPRIANI. IT'S A BRAND THAT'S INTERNATIONAL, IT'S KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE WORLD FOR ITS TIMELESS ELEGANCE OF SERVICE AND EXCELLENCE IN A QUIET AND YET BEAUTIFUL WAY. AND THAT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH, NOT ONLY TO THEIR SERVICE, BUT ALSO TO THEIR ENVIRONMENTS, THEIR BUILDINGS. AND WE ARE VERY LUCKY AND PRIVILEGED, I FEEL, TO BE PART OF BRINGING THE KAZA CIPRIANI BRAND TO THIS PART OF MIAMI BEACH. IT'S THE ONLY, IT'S THE THIRD, UM, KAZA CIPRIANI PROJECT TO BE, UM, UNDERTAKEN BY THE FAMILY. IT'S ONE OF THREE, TWO OF WHICH ARE IN HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN NEW YORK AND IN MILANO. AND THIS WILL BE THE FIRST NEW BUILD, ENTIRELY NEW BUILD. IT ONLY HAS 23 APARTMENTS. IT ONLY HAS 36, UM, HIGH-END, UH, UH, HOTEL ROOMS. IT HAS A PRIVATE MEMBERS CLUB. AND AS NISSAN SAID, IF WE LOOK AT A HISTORIC DISTRICT, I'VE WORKED VIRTUALLY MY WHOLE CAREER WITH HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND HISTORIC BUILDINGS, UM, FROM LONDON TO THROUGHOUT THE WORLD HERE IN MIAMI BEACH, THROUGH NEW YORK. AND YOU NEED TO KNOW A GOOD HISTORIC BUILDING, UH, OR A HISTORIC DISTRICT WHEN YOU SEE ONE. AND I THINK WHEN YOU WORK WITH HISTORY AND THE LAYERING OF HISTORY, URBANISTICALLY AND IN ARCHITECTURE, ONE HAS TO LOOK AT THE PAST AND YET CELEBRATE THE FUTURE. AND I TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY. SO IF WE LOOK BACK TO THESE POSTCARDS THAT NEESON SHOWED THE EXCLUSIVE HOTELS ON COLLINS AVENUE, AND WE SEE THE LIA, WE SEE THE, UH, SETBACK GARDENS, THE LUSH PLANTING, THE GENEROUS DRIVEWAYS, THAT WAS THE CHARACTER OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT BACK IN ITS HEYDAY, THE GLAMOR OF COLLINS AVENUE IN MID BEACH. AGAIN, THAT SAME POSTCARD LOOKING SOUTH, WE SEE ROY FRANCE'S SEA AISLE, 1941 PRE-WAR BUILDING, AND YET ROY FRANCE POST-WAR IN THE SAXONY HOTEL. NOW THE FINER HOTEL, A STREAMLINE MODERN INTERNATIONAL STYLE BUILDING. SO ROY FRANCE HIMSELF, THE DYN OF ARCHITECTURE OF THIS PART OF MIAMI BEACH. UM, SOON, VERY SOON AFTER THE SAXON WAS BUILT, BUILT THE SAN SEA, UH, 1949 WITH, UH, LAPIDUS, WHO DID SOME CONVERSION WORK WITH IT AS WELL. BUT AGAIN, A MODERN BUILDING. SO THEY WERE MOVING WITH THE TIMES. ARCHITECTS DO MOVE WITH THE TIMES. SO WHAT WOULD, UH, WHAT WOULD ROY FRANCE DO, UM, TODAY, FOR EXAMPLE? AND IF WE GO TO THAT OTHER PHOTOGRAPH LOOKING DOWN, WE SEE THE PORT KCHE, THE DRIVEWAYS, THE GARDENS, THE GENEROSITY OF THOSE SPACES. AND AS ANCE SHOWED, THERE IS NO GENEROSITY TO OUR CURRENT SITE AT ALL CURRENTLY. AND WE SEE HERE ON THE LEFT, THE, UM, THE VERSAILLES BUILDING, AGAIN, 1941 PRE-WAR BY ROY FRANCE WITH ITS STONE BASE. THE, THE CORAL STONE BASES, THE DRIVEWAY, THE PORT KCHE, AND THOSE CORAL STONE BASES QUITE OFTEN X EXTENT IN THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT LARGE GRAND DAM HOTELS THAT LINED THE EAST SIDE OF, UH, COLLINS AVENUE OF THE TIME, OF THE HEYDAY TIME. WHY DO PEOPLE COME TO FLORIDA? WHY DO PEOPLE COME TO MIAMI BEACH FOR ITS LIFESTYLE? UM, SO HERE NOW WE LOOK AT THE CIPRIANI PROPOSAL LOOKING NORTH. YOU SEE IN THE FOREGROUND, THE AMMAN, THE VERSAILLES BY ROY FRANCE WITH ITS, UH, STONE BASE, THE DRIVEWAY, THE PORT CHE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE JUST MID PICTURE, MID VIEW, THE PORT CHE OF THE CURRENT DESIGN. A TWO STORY HIGH BUILDING WITH [04:55:01] A GRAND ENTRANCE. YOU'LL SEE IT IN A COUPLE MORE SLIDES. THE GENTLE CURVATURE OF THE TOWER THAT SET WELL BACK FROM, UH, COLLINS AVENUE, FACING THE OCEAN AND GIVING LIGHT AND AIR AND SPACE TO COLLINS AVENUE ITSELF. SO THE FRONT ELEVATION, YOU SEE THE GARDENS, YOU SEE A BUILDING WHICH IS NOW LOWER SET BACK, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN 30 FEET BACK FROM COLLINS AVENUE PROPERTY LINE. YOU SEE A GREEN MANSARD ROOF, YOU SEE LAVISH, UM, GOOD QUALITY MATERIALS. THIS IS ZOOM IN, YOU HAVE A GREEN MANSARD ROOF, WHICH I'LL COME BACK TO THAT SLOWLY GEN GENTLY, UM, STEPS BACK FROM THE FACADE. AND THERE YOU SEE THE, UH, PORT CASHIER, THE DRIVEWAY VERY GENEROUSLY, UH, DIMENSION, THE ELEGANCE OF ENTERING THROUGH TO THE PRIVATE MEMBERS CLUB. THERE ARE NO PUBLIC RESTAURANTS IN THIS BUILDING. THE STONEWORK, THE FLUTING ECHOING THE LEGACY OF ARCHITECTURE IN THIS PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE FLUTE COLUMNS. AND WE HAVE, UH, SOME MATERIALS, SOME MATERIAL SAMPLES, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT STONE FROM ITALY, UH, OR, OR ELSEWHERE WITH CORAL, UM, SHELLS. UM, BUT NOT THE LOCAL CORAL STONE NECESSARILY 'CAUSE IT'S VERY FRYABLE. UM, AND THEN BRONZE TRIMS, UH, AND, UH, AND FLUTED DETAILS. SO THERE'S A, A VIEW LOOKING FROM THE CORNER OF 36TH STREET AND COLLINS AVENUE. THERE, YOU SEE THE GREEN MANSARD STEPPING BACK AND WE'LL TAKE A, A LITTLE WALK AROUND THE BUILDING, BUT AS ROY FRANCE SAID, LET IN THE AIR AND SUN. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE COME TO FLORIDA FOR. AND SO ADDRESSING THE VIEW, FOR EXAMPLE, FROM BEACH HOUSE EIGHT AND THE, UM, THE RATHER UNEDIFYING VIEW OF THAT BUILDING, THE SIDE OF THAT BUILDING. UM, IF I WAS THE ARCHITECT OF THAT BUILDING, I WOULDN'T BE PARTICULARLY PROUD OF THIS. UM, AND THE PROXIMITY OF THAT BUILDING TO BEACH HOUSE EIGHT, THAT VERY SAME SHOT WITH THE NEW BUILDING AS OF RIGHT. UM, NO VARIANCES ASKED FOR. NOW OPENING UP ALL THE WAY DOWN COLLINS AVENUE, YOU SEE THE SPACE THAT'S GIVEN OVER TO THE PORT CASHIER STEPPING THE BUILDING BACK WITH THAT DROP OFF AND DRIVEWAY, YOU SEE THE GREATER AMOUNT OF SPACE BETWEEN BEACH HOUSE EIGHT AND THE NEW TOWER. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY MOVING THE BUILDING FURTHER SOUTH, UM, TO ENABLE THOSE VIEWS TO BE, UM, ENJOYED JUST AND MORE LIGHT AND AIR BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS. ECHOING ROY FRANCIS', UH, UH, LITTLE QUOTE AND MANTRA THERE. AND THEN THE PRIVATE, UM, SWIMMING POOL JUST FOR THE 23 RESIDENCES. THE POOL FOR THE 36 HOTEL GUESTS, UH, IS ON THE, UH, OCEAN FRONT SIDE HERE, AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT THE MATERIALITY, LIGHT AIR, THE DETAILING OF THE FLUTED, UH, BANDS AND EDGES, THE FRITTED GLASS, UH, BAS STRAITS, THE RECONSTITUTED WOOD, UH, HANDRAIL AND WARM COLORED, UH, SOFFITS TO THE BALCONIES. AND AGAIN, THE MATERIALS AND THE SHAPES THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING FOR ALL OF THESE, UH, DETAILS THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING. AND THEN THE ATTENTION TO DETAIL CARRIES THROUGH TO THE WAY THE INSIDE FOLLOWS THROUGH TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO THE FIRST FOUR FLOORS OF THE TOWER ARE HOTEL FOR HOTEL SUITES, AND THEY HAVE A CERTAIN RHYTHM THAT STEPS BACK AGAIN, A SORT OF A, AN HOMAGE OR A, UH, AN ABSTRACTION OF MANY OF THOSE RHYTHMIC, UM, RHYTHMIC SHAPES AND FORMS FROM THE, THE BETTER EXAMPLES OF ROY FRANCIS' BUILDINGS. AND THEN, UM, THE STONE BASE YOU SEE THERE, THE SETBACK WITH THE GREEN GARDEN, AND THEN THE ENTIRE FACADE, YOU START TO SEE THE WAY THAT RHYTHM CHANGES WHEN IT COMES TO THE APARTMENTS ABOVE. IN THE FOREGROUND OF THIS, YOU SEE THE STEP TERRACES OF THE GARDENS AND THE GARDENS AND LANDSCAPING ARE VERY IMPORTANT. SO THIS COMING ROUND TO 36TH STREET AND THE COMMENTARY ON ACTIVATION, UH, THIS FACADE, WE HAVE MANY SUPPORTING, UM, PIECE OF INFORMATION, BUT THIS FACADE IS NOW SET 16 FOOT SIX BACK FROM THE STREET. UM, THE CURRENT SETBACK IS FOUR FOOT NINE. WE ARE LANDSCAPING THE ENTIRE [05:00:01] LENGTH. THIS PARTICULAR LENGTH OF FACADE ALONG HERE IS ACTUALLY 42 FEET SHORTER THAN THE EXISTING, UH, CORAL REEF BUILDING. SO, AND OF THAT, UM, NEARLY 50% OF THAT IS AN ACTIVE DROP OFF IN PORT COCHERE FOR THE 23 APARTMENTS. ABOVE THAT, YOU SEE JUST TO THE LEFT, YOU SEE NEXT TO THAT THE, UM, LOADING BAY AND THE FPL VS. AND THESE WILL BE DETAILED AGAIN, THE SAME STONE, THE SAME TERRACOTTA, THE SAME BRONZE DETAILING THE, THE ACTIVATION OF THE UPPER FLOOR WITH THE PRIVATE MEMBERS CLUB, WITH THE LITTLE JULIET BALCONIES, THE LANDSCAPING, THE, THE CURB CUTS ARE NON-EXISTENT, WHERE THE FPL VAULT IS. AND THE, UM, THE GENERATOR ROOM, THOSE ARE ONLY SERVICED ONCE A YEAR OR ONCE A MONTH. UM, VERY RARELY THE MATERIALS AND FINISHES ALONG THERE. THAT'S HOW IT EXISTS TODAY. AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE TURNING IT. IT'S VERY ACTIVE. WE HAVE BIKE PARKING ALONG THERE AS WELL. SO, UM, THAT'S HOW IT IS TODAY. INACTIVE, FOUR FOOT NINE SETBACK. AND THERE IS A, A QUICK COMPARISON THERE. YOU SEE 223 FEET IN LENGTH OF THE CORAL REEF. OURS IS 181 AND CHANGE FEET LONG, OF WHICH NEARLY 50% IS, IS ACTIVE, DROP OFF WITH A BIKE WALKING. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE LANDSCAPING WHERE THE ACCESS NEEDS TO BE AFFORDED TO THE FPL AND THE, UM, AND TO FILL THE GENERATOR, THE ADJACENCY OF THE GENERATOR NEEDS TO BE NEXT TO THE FPL, WHICH NEEDS TO BE NEXT TO THE EMERGENCY, THE, UH, ELECTRICAL ROOM. UM, SO THERE ARE ADJACENCIES THAT NEED TO BE MAINTAINED AND ALL OF THESE, UH, ELEMENTS NEED TO BE AT STREET LEVEL, THE DROP OFF, THE GARDENS AND DROP OFF. UM, AND THE BUILDING ITSELF IS AT BFE PLUS TWO IN THE APPLICATION IT'S BFE, UM, PLUS ONE. WE'VE ACTUALLY LISTENED AND, AND AMENDED THAT IN OUR CURRENT DRAWINGS TO PLUS TWO TO TAKE ACCOUNT OF, UH, FEMA REQUIREMENTS AND TO GIVE GREATER RESILIENCY TO THE BUILDING, WHICH MEANS THE DROP OFF IS VERY HIGH. COLLINS AVENUE IS IMPORTANT. WE DON'T WANT TRUCKS. AND, AND TRADITIONALLY ALONG THIS PART OF, UH, MIAMI BEACH, THE SIDE STREETS ARE OFTEN WHERE THE, UM, ACTIVITIES TAKE PLACE TO SUPPORT BUILDINGS IN THEIR FUNCTION, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY STREET ACCESS ON THE NORTHERN SIDE. SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE VIEW TODAY THAT HEDGE, ACTUALLY, I WAS JUST THERE EARLIER TODAY, AND IT'S MORE THAN SIX FEET HIGH, THAT HEDGE. UM, AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE TURNING. YOU REMEMBER THE POSTCARD IMAGES WITH THE LIA AND HERE THE FLOWERING PLANTS AND THE, AND THE GRASSES AND THAT SENSE OF LANDSCAPING, AS I SAID, RUNS ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE, UM, THE GARDENS AND THE SETBACKS, THE GREENERY AND THE, UM, THE BEACH WALK. AGAIN, JUST TO REINFORCE THE QUALITY OF MATERIALS ON 36TH STREET. BUT GOING BACK TO LANDSCAPE, WE THINK OF THE ITALIAN RIVIERA, WE THINK OF, UM, LAKE CUOMO, WE THINK OF VENICE, UM, AND THAT ELEGANCE OF ITALIAN STYLE AND EXCELLENCE AND DESIGN BEING BOUGHT THROUGH WITH ENYA INTO THE LANDSCAPE. SO THERE YOU SEE THE, THE RATHER FORMAL, UM, ITALIANATE GARDEN DESIGN, BUT USING RESILIENT PLANTING, USING LOCAL PLANTING, UM, TO BRING IT INTO THE CONTEXT OF, OF MIAMI BEACH IS THE OTHER ASPECT THAT'S BEEN VERY IMPORTANT THROUGHOUT THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT. YOU SEE THE LEVELS THAT, THAT, UM, TEAR DOWN ALMOST LIKE THE OLD FASHIONED HAHA DEVICES, UM, OF ENGLISH LANDSCAPES. UM, SO THIS POOL DECK IS AT PLUS 14 AND A HALF. THE BEACH WALK IS AT PLUS NINE. AND HOW DO WE MAKE THAT TRANSITION BETWEEN THE TWO LEVELS WITH THE GENTLE, UM, THE GENTLE, UH, TERRACING OF THE LANDSCAPE AS YOU SEE IN THIS SECTION. AND THERE YOU SEE THE, UH, BOARDWALK OR THE, I SHOULD CALL IT THE BEACH WALK IN THE FOREGROUND AND THEN THE TERRACING GOING BACK. AND AT JUST FIVE FEET ABOVE THAT THERE'S THE BEACH. AND THEN SEVEN FEET ABOVE THAT YOU SEE THE RESTAURANT DECK OF THE RII PRIVATE, UM, UH, RESIDENCE, UH, PRIVATE, UM, MEMBERS CLUB. AND THIS IS FROM THE POOL LOOKING BACK, THIS IS WHAT I MEAN BY THE HAHA DEVICE, SO THAT THE GUESTS ARE [05:05:01] AT THIS LEVEL, THEY DON'T REALLY SEE THE, UM, BEACH WALK, UH, PROMENADE AND THE BEACH WALK PROMENADE DOESN'T NECESSARILY SEE INTO THE, UM, THE POOL, BUT IT'S DONE IN A VERY GENTLE AND LANDSCAPE WAY, TAKING THAT LANDSCAPE UP. ANOTHER LEVEL THERE IS THE PRIVATE ROOF DECK SURROUNDED BY GREENERY. AND JUST BY WAY OF, UM, A SUMMARY, THERE'S THE HOTEL CLUB AND LOBBY GROUND FLOOR ENTRANCE ON THE LEFT OF THIS SLIDE WITH THE PORT KCHE AND THE SETBACK. THEN THE CLUB LEVEL AT THE UPPER LEVEL, ACTIVATING THAT 36TH STREET FRONTAGE. AND THEN THE FOUR LEVELS OF HOTEL, OF WHICH ON THAT ROOF DECK IS THE GREEN MANSARD WITH THE, UH, RESIDENCE POOL. AND THEN YOU SEE THE 11TH FLOORS OF, UH, CONDOMINIUM RESIDENCES ABOVE THAT, IT'S A 200 FOOT AS OF RIGHT BUILDING HEIGHT WITH A 25 FOOT, UH, UH, BULKHEAD AT THE TOP, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S BFE PLUS TWO. UH, THERE'S THE DROP OFF IN THE DRIVEWAY AND IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION FOR NOW. UM, I'LL HAND BACK OVER TO NEESON, BUT THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND I HOPE YOU ENJOYED THE PROJECT. THAT DOES CONCLUDE OUR PRESENTATION. WE WE'RE HERE FOR QUESTIONS. UH, UH, ALSO, WE, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL AND AS WELL WITH RESPECT TO THE 36TH STREET SIDE AND THE LOCATION OF THE FP L VAULT AND, AND, UH, CER AND, UH, OTHER DRIVEWAYS THAT'S FOR SERVICING THE BUILDING AS I THINK BRANDON HAS MADE A VERY PERSUASIVE CASE AS THAT'S AN EXCELLENT SOLUTION FOR THE STREET AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AND NOW, UM, WE HAVE, UH, NOW QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS FOR THE APPLICANT, ANYTHING THAT YOU SAW THAT YOU'D LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE GO TO QUESTIONS? YES. OH YES. I, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO JUST SWEAR IN ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE NOT YET BEEN SWORN IN SINCE, UH, SINCE WE DID THAT LAST THIS MORNING. SO IF ANYONE HAS NOT BEEN SWORN IN, COULD YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS? DO YOU SWEAR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THINK WE SHOULD DO BOARD DISCLOSURES? UH, NO, WE DON'T DO THAT YET. WE WILL GET TO IT. WE WILL GET TO IT. YOU'LL GET TO DISCLOSE IN DUE TIME. WHERE DO YOU RECOMMEND THAT WE DO IT NOW? UH, WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR THIS, SO WE'LL DO IT RIGHT? YES. PROCESS. WE'LL DO IT WITH A PROCESS. PROCESS. YOU CAN DISCLOSE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE AT ANY TIME, RIGHT? PLEASE DON'T FEEL I'M INHIBITING YOU. DO YOU HAVE IT SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO, I JUST, SO MOST OF YOU KNOW WHY YOU WEAR TWO HATS. I PRESIDENT OF THE RAY, COULD YOU TURN YOUR, SORRY, COULD YOU TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON? SORRY. I'M PRESIDENT OF THE COLLINS PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND I ALSO SIT ON THE HPV BOARD. AND, UH, EARLIER THIS MONTH, RAY MEI, UH, ASKED ME IF WE COULD GET A LETTER FROM THE COLLINS PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. AND I SAID PERFECT TIMING. WE HAVE A BOARD MEETING ON THE 15TH OF, OF, OF, UH, APRIL. IT'S GONNA BE AT MIAMI CITY BALLET. YOU CAN COME AND PRESENT TO THE BOARD. I HAVE TO ABSTAIN SINCE I SIT ON THE HPB. AND, AND HE AND BRANDON ON ZOOM PRESENTED TO THE BOARD, UM, THE PROJECT. UH, AND IT WAS MOTIONED BY, UH, UM, UM, STEVEN MENDEL, WHO IS THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF THE, UM, DORCHESTER AND THE MARCE HOTEL TO WRITE THE LETTER AND, AND ALL IT WAS SECONDED BY PAM MAYER, WHO IS OUR SECRETARY. I SIMPLY WROTE THE LETTER, SAID I ABSTAINED FROM IT AND SENT IT LIKE I DO WITH ALL LETTERS THAT I'VE BEEN PRESIDENT FOR 20 YEARS WITH, WITH THE, AND I JUST NEED YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT I CAN MAKE AN ABSOLUTE CLEAR DECISION ON WHATEVER'S PRESENTED HERE TODAY. UH, FOR, FROM THE BOARD STANDPOINT, UM, I, I THINK MY INTEGRITY GOES UNQUESTIONED. OKAY, THANK YOU. NO QUESTIONS? NO, NOT AT THE MOMENT. ALRIGHT, UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NOT AT THE MOMENT. NOT AT THE MOMENT, LINDSEY. NO, NO PROBLEM. NO. ALL RIGHT. AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT EITHER. SO THERE ARE NO APPLICANT RESPONSES TO THE, UM, TO RESPOND TO. AND, UH, NOW WE'LL CONTINUE WITH BOARD DISCLOSURES, WHICH WE'RE COMING RIGHT AFTER THIS. SO RAY, YOU'VE STARTED THIS IN A GREAT TRADITION. I ALREADY GAVE MINE. THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF HE CAN UPHOLD YOUR STANDARDS OF THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL, BUT ASCAL ANY, I HAVE MET WITH REPRESENTATIVE, SOME OF THE PROJECT [05:10:01] PREVIOUSLY. ANYTHING, I HAVE MET WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THE ARCHITECT. OKAY. I MET WITH THE APPLICANT. YOU MET WITH THE APPLICANT AND I'VE BEEN CONTACTED BY THE APPLICANT, BUT I HAVEN'T MET ON THIS, ON THIS PROJECT. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE'LL OPEN IT TO PUBLIC HEARING. OH YEAH, LINDSEY AND I THINK ALL OF THE LETTERS THAT WE RECEIVED WE'RE CO EVERYONE WAS COPIED ON, BUT JUST TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY WEREN'T, I RECEIVED NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS EMAILS AND THEY'RE ALL COPIED RIGHT HERE. YEAH, THEY'RE ALL HERE. THEY'RE ALL ON THE RECORD. THAT'S FAIR. BECAUSE THEY GO THROUGH THE BOARD STUFF. CORRECT, BUT NOT, I MEAN, I, SOME OF THEM WENT TO MY WORK EMAIL RATHER THAN MY HPV EMAIL, SO I JUST WANTED TO RAISE THAT. THAT'S ALL. AND I WOULD JUST REMIND THE BOARD, ANY EMAILS YOU RECEIVE ABOUT INDIVIDUAL APPLICATIONS SHOULD BE FORWARDED TO STAFF SO THEY CAN BE MADE A PART OF THE RECORD. UH, ANY EMAILS THAT WERE FORWARDED TO STAFF HAVE, HAVE ALREADY BEEN UPLOADED TO THE, TO THE CITY WEBSITE. PERFECT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, I THINK WE'RE ONTO THE PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE. I GUESS. DEBBIE, DO YOU WANT TO, UH, THERE ARE PEOPLE ON ZOOM AND YEAH, I THINK THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME. YES, YES, PLEASE. SO MAYBE WE CAN HAVE PEOPLE IN, IN PERSON, UH, SPEAK FIRST AND THEN ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. SO, UM, WE SENT THIS LETTER OUT THIS MORNING TO THE CITY CLERK. UM, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE ALL READ IT, UM, BUT I'M GONNA READ OUR STATEMENT. IT'S ABOUT TWO MINUTES. UM, THE MID BEACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATES. I'M SORRY, COULD YOU FIRST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? ALICIA, A-L-I-C-I-A CASANOVA. I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE MID BEACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU. UH, THE MBNA REPRESENTS CONDOMINIUMS AND HOTELS LOCATED WITHIN THE GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARIES OF EAST MID BEACH, ENCOMPASSING COLLINS AVENUE IN INDIAN CREEK DRIVE FROM 24TH STREET TO 63RD STREET. OUR MEMBERS INCLUDE RESIDENTS LIVING ADJACENT TO THESE PROPERTIES AND THE HOTELS OPERATING WITHIN THE VICINITY, UM, ALL DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THEIR CURRENT STATE AND PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT. THESE STAKEHOLDERS HAVE CHOSEN TO INVEST, RESIDE, AND OPERATE WITHIN A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED HISTORIC DISTRICT, DEEPLY VALUING COMMUNITY ENHANCEMENT THAT ALIGNS WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD'S CHARACTER. THE MBNA DEEPLY APPRECIATES THE RICHEST HISTORY OF MIAMI BEACH AND WOULD NOT SUPPORT ACTIONS THAT WOULD COMPROMISE GENUINELY CHERISH LANDMARKS. WE REGRET SEEING COMMUNITY-WIDE PETITIONS THAT INACCURATELY PORTRAY THE CORAL REEF HOTEL AND THE PETITION. WHILE THE PROPOSED DESIGN DOES NOT REPLICATE THE EXISTING HISTORICAL STRUCTURES, IT RESPECTFULLY ALIGNS WITH THE BROADER ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE OF OUR COMMUNITY. THIS ALIGNMENT IS ESSENTIAL TO MBNA AS WE ADVOCATE FOR THOUGHTFUL DEVELOPMENT THAT COMPLIMENTS OUR COMMUNITY'S CONTEXT AND IDENTITY. ADDITIONALLY, OVER THE PAST 18 MONTHS, THE MBNA HAS ACTIVELY AND CONSISTENTLY ENGAGED WITH 13TH FLOOR ALONGSIDE ASSOCIATIONS, PROPERTY OWNERS AND INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECT. STAKEHOLDERS HAVE EXPRESSED BOTH THEIR SUPPORT AND THEIR CONCERNS AFTER CONSIDERING PERSPECTIVES FROM VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS AND OPPOSING VIEWPOINTS. ALL CONCERNS RAISED HAVE BEEN THOROUGHLY ADDRESSED PRIOR TO TODAY. PROJECT DETAILS AND PRESENTATIONS HAVE BEEN READILY AVAILABLE THROUGH OUR WEBSITE, MID BEACH.NET, THROUGH YOUTUBE CHANNEL AND REGULAR MEMBER COMMUNICATIONS. THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, 13TH FLOOR HAS DEMONSTRATED RESPONSIVENESS BY INCORPORATING SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY FEEDBACK INTO THEIR EVOLVING DESIGN PLANS. ON BEHALF OF MBNA, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH AND THE HPA BE FORMALLY RECOGNIZE OUR ASSOCIATION'S PREFERENCE AND FULLY SUPPORT AND APPROVE THIS BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, ROGER AGAIN, , YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT. ROGER BLAD, UH, MARILYN, UH, MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE. UM, WE, WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OR OFFER YET TO GET A PRESENTATION, BUT WE STRONGLY OPPOSE THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF THE HISTORIC CORAL REEF AND PATRICIA HOTELS, THE PATRICIA OF ROY FRANCE DESIGN, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, JUST LIKE THE VERSAILLES DOWN THE STREET, WHICH IS GETTING A COMPLETE RENOVATION. THIS EARLY EXAMPLE OF ROY FRANCE'S WORK MUST BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO GRACE THE STREETS OF MIAMI BEACH FOR ANOTHER A HUNDRED YEARS. WE ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO RETURN TO THEIR EARLIER CONCEPT THAT PRESERVE THE FACADES. IT'S FUNNY, I'M SAYING PRESERVED FACADES NOW, BUT, UH, IT, IT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION. PRESERVE THE FACADES OF THESE STRUCTURES WHILE ALLOWING FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT BEHIND, UH, THE, THE, THE TOWERS ARE, [05:15:01] ARE, YOU KNOW, WOULD WORK WELL. WHILE THE RECENTLY ENACTED STATE LAW, PREEMPTING LOCAL REVIEW OF DEMOLITION FOR COASTAL STRUCTURES WOULD ALLOW FOR TOTAL DEMOLITION, WE BELIEVE IT WOULD SERVE THE COMMUNITY INTEREST AND PROTECT THE INTEGRITY, INTEGRITY OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO INCORPORATE THE FACADES INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. WHERE SHOULD THIS ITEM BE CONTINUED TO ALLOW FOR FURTHER EXPLORATION OF ALTERNATIVES TO DETERMINE THE FATE OF THESE SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC STRUCTURES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS VERONICA SARAVIA AND I LIVE ON 900 MERIDIAN AVENUE. AND I'M SPEAKING JUST ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AS A CONCERNED RESIDENT OF A, OF A, I LIVE IN A CONDO FROM THE 1950S, AND I FEEL THAT ELEGANCE IN THE HISTORIC, IN HISTORIC ITALIAN CITIES LIKE LAKE CUOMO OR VENICE ARE NOT MADE BY GTI GLASS TOWERS. THAT ELEGANCE IS FOUND IN THE TASTEFUL DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE, LIKE THE DELANO, LIKE THE CADILLAC, LIKE WHAT THE RALEIGH WAS. WE HAVE THAT RIGHT AND WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESERVE IT. THE IMAGES OF RII BUSINESSES THAT WE SAW IN HISTORIC BUILDINGS WOULDN'T SEEM FAIR THAT HERE WE WOULD HAVE TO LOSE OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS ON MIAMI BEACH. UM, I COULD HAVE LOOKED FOR AN APARTMENT IN AVENTURA OR SURFSIDE OR BELL HARBOR OR DOWNTOWN FORT LAUDERDALE. AND THOSE OF US WHO COME TO MIAMI BEACH ARE LOOKING TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY OF WHAT'S HERE. HISTORY LOOKS UNKINDLY ON MIAMI BEACH FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE SENATOR IN 1988 AND THE NEW YORKER IN 1981. AND I WOULD ADVISE THAT THOSE DECISIONS NOT BE REPEATED. UM, I'VE BEEN ON WALKING TOURS AND I HEAR PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE WORLD COMING TO MIAMI BEACH TO SEE MIAMI BEACH, NOT TO SEE DAYTONA BEACH. AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE DECISION TO POTENTIALLY DEMOLISH THESE BUILDINGS IS BASED ON A LAW THAT WAS PASSED IN TALLAHASSEE. WE LOBBY MONEY. TALLAHASSEE IS ABOUT EIGHT HOURS AWAY FROM HERE BY CAR. IF YOU DON'T STOP AND ABOUT 500 MILES AWAY, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT HISTORICALLY. THANK YOU, . THANK YOU. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS STEVE BINKI. I'M PRESIDENT OF THE CARIBBEAN CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION. WE HAVE, UH, WE LET WE OCCUPY THE BLOCK IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROJECT. WE ALSO HAVE A HISTORIC BUILDING IN NEW TOWER THAT I THINK WORKS QUITE WELL. I HAVE A BACKGROUND. I STUDIED AT THE PRATT INSTITUTE SCHOOL OF ARCHITECTURE. I WAS, UH, PRESIDENT OF LINCOLN ROAD BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT FOR SEVEN YEARS. AND WITH DEBBIE'S HELP, I BROUGHT A 1925 STOREFRONT BACK AT 900 LINCOLN ROAD. I'M A GREAT BELIEVER IN THE PRESERVATION OF GOOD ARCHITECTURE. I THINK THE TWO BUILDINGS THERE ARE ANYTHING BUT GOOD ARCHITECTURE. I LIVE A BLOCK AWAY. WE WALK BY THEM VERY FREQUENTLY. IT IS A HORRENDOUS FEELING TO WALK BY THESE TWO STRUCTURES. IT'S UNPLEASANT. IT'S, IT, IT'S JUST VERY UNPLEASANT AND I DON'T CONSIDER THEM SIGNIFICANT WHATSOEVER. THE CARIBBEAN CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION STRONGLY, STRONGLY, UH, RECOMMENDS THE ADOPTION OF THIS PLAN. WE THINK THERE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN A BETTER DESIGN STRUCTURE OR BETTER FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT RESTORES THE ELEGANCE OF THE OLD BUILDINGS. UM, IT'S JUST A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT WOULD MAKE NO SENSE TO PUT TWO DERELICT BUILDINGS IN FRONT OF THESE TOWERS WHEN YOU COULD PUT REALLY A TWO STORY TOWER, A TWO STORY BASE THAT, THAT CALLS BACK TO IT. MIAMI BEACH USED TO BE. WE VERY, VERY STRONGLY ADVOCATE THE ADOPTION OF THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY, MR. CHAIR, WE DO HAVE, UM, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ON ZOOM, UH, JOHANN MOORE. GOOD AFTERNOON, JOHANN. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THIS TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. GOOD AFTERNOON. THE BOARD MEMBERS, UH, YET AGAIN. UH, IT MIGHT SEEM, UH, STRANGE, UH, FOR ME TO BE COMMENTING ON THIS, UH, GIVEN THAT IT'S NOT MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WANT TO THANK MID BEACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND ANNAMARIE FERREIRA FOR GENEROUSLY ENGAGING WITH ME ON THIS SUBJECT. UH, MY JUMPING IN WAS MOTIVATED BY THE, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, TO ME, IN ANY CASE, UNCLEAR STATUS OF MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE'S ENGAGEMENT ON THESE ISSUES. I'VE SINCE BEEN REASSURED BY THAT, INCLUDING BY THE TWO PRESENTATIONS TODAY. UM, I VERY MUCH AM TAKEN WITH MID BEACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S, GENERAL DESIGN GUIDELINES. I'M VERY MUCH TAKEN WITH THE GREEN STEP BACK OF, UH, THE PROPOSED BUILDING. GRANTED, UH, 36 21 IS A LITTLE HARDER TO LOVE THOUGH. THAT'S NOT, UH, THE DETERMINING FACTOR FOR CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS. UM, BUT [05:20:01] I WANT TO URGE THE DEVELOPER VOLUNTARILY TO RETAIN. THAT IS TO SAY, NOW UPON FURTHER, UH, INFORMATION BEING PRESENTED TODAY, RELOCATE THE FACADE OF THE CORAL REEF, UH, BACK TO WHERE IT COULD SERVE AS A COMPONENT OF THE, AND I HAVE IN FACT, UH, WRITTEN TO THE COMMISSION ASKING THAT IT APPROVE ANY REQUESTED SETBACKS ONLY ON THAT CONDITION THAT THAT FACADE BE PRESERVED. I REALLY THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT ALL NEIGHBORHOODS AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS COMMIT TO A COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR PRESERVING, CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY ONE THAT LIES ON THE COASTAL LIMESTONE RIDGE. IE HIGHER ABOVE SEA LEVEL RISE THAN THOSE IN MY LESS FORTUNATE NEIGHBORHOOD IN TERMS OF ELEVATION, UH, MY NEIGHBORHOOD OF FLAMENCO PARK. SO I ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPER TO TAKE, UH, THE COMMUNITY'S PRESERVATIONIST, UH, UH, REQUESTS INTO CONSIDERATION. AND I THANK MID BEACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AGAIN FOR ITS ENGAGEMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, MR. CHAIR, I SEE NO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ON ZOOM AND NO ONE IN THE AUDIENCE. ALRIGHT. UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE PUBLIC? NO. MR. CHAIR, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS 'EM, BUT, UH, NO RESPONSE I FEEL IS NECESSARY. ALRIGHT, THEN I GUESS WE TURN IT OVER TO A BOARD MEMBER COMMENT OR, AND, OR END DISCUSSION. ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN INSIDE, UH, ONE, IT WAS A TIME, A TIMESHARE, AND I HAD A FRIEND VISIT SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND INVITED ME THERE AND HE SAID, I TRADED MY TIMESHARE IN ORLANDO FOR THIS HEAP OF JUNK. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I, I, I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT, WHAT IT WAS LIKE BEFORE YOU CAME, BUT THAT WAS MY ONLY INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. UH, WHEN THE BOARDWALK WAS THERE, I WOULD QUITE OFTEN WALK BY AND BE ABLE TO SEE THE OUTSIDE, OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY. UM, IT'S VERY, WELL, IT'S NOT MAINTAINED AT ALL. IT'S RUN DOWN AND, AND THIS BOARD DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHETHER THE BUILDING GETS TORN DOWN OR NOT. TALLAHASSEE'S TAKEN THAT AWAY FROM US. SO FROM MY STANDPOINT, ALL WE CAN LOOK AT IS THE DESIGN BROUGHT US TODAY, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA BE EVALUATING. THANK YOU RAY, UH, HASKELL. YEAH, I THINK THE PROJECT IS BEAUTIFUL. I THINK IT'S A GREAT ASSET FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR DESIGN. HOWEVER, I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE, UM, MANEUVERABILITY ANALYSIS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. YOU'VE EFFECTIVELY TAKEN OVER 36TH STREET, WHEREAS TODAY YOU CAN, ONE CAN ACCESS THE BEACH, A PEDESTRIAN CAN ACCESS THE BEACH ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 36TH STREET, AS WELL AS THE SOUTH SIDE. THE WAY YOU HAVE IT LAID OUT WITH ACCESSIBILITY TO THE BUILDING, IT'S NOT, IT'S GOING TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM ACCESSING THE BEACH. WHAT CONSIDERATION ARE YOU GIVING TO RESIDENTS OF THE AREA WHERE YOU ARE EFFECTIVELY TAKEN OVER 36TH STREET TO, TO IMPROVE THE SOUTH SIDE OF 36TH STREET? IF I MAY, I THINK BRANDON AND ADRIAN CAN ADDRESS IT. THE, UH, THERE IS OF COURSE A FULL SIDEWALK AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPING AS WELL AS THE ACTIVATION ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 36TH STREET, WHICH IS A BETTER CONDITION THAN THERE IS TODAY. PLUS, THERE WILL ALSO BE, OF COURSE, THE CONTINUED ACCESS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT AFFECTS PEDESTRIAN ACCESSIBILITY IN TERMS OF VEHICULAR. AND WE CAN SHOW YOU THE CIRCULATION, UH, OF CARS IN AND OUT, UH, OF THE PROPERTY. BUT REMEMBER AS WELL, IT'S A RELATIVELY, UH, NOT NOT INTENSE USE WITH, UH, 30 SOME ODD HOTEL ROOMS, 20 SOME ODD RESIDENCES, A PRIVATE CLUB. AND SO, UH, UH, IT'S MUCH LESS INTENSE THAN COULD BE MADE. BUT IF, IF YOU WANT, WE CAN SHOW YOU HOW THAT, BUT IT DOES AFFECT THE PARKING TO THE SOUTH CIRCULATION TO THE PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PARKING. RIGHT. THE EGRESS AND EGRESS, THE, THE, THE CITY'S PARKING GARAGE. THE PARKING LOT, PARKING LOT RATHER, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. ADRIAN DUKOWSKI WITH KIMLEY HORN OFFICES AT TWO ALE HAMBRA AND CORAL GABLES. UM, SO THE, THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTIONS TO THE SOUTH CITY LOT ARE NOT IMPACTED. THE ON STREET PARKING THAT'S ALONG THE NORTH SIDE, WE, WE WILL HAVE TO REMOVE THAT AND WORK WITH THE CITY'S PARKING DEPARTMENT TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE OUR DRIVEWAYS THERE AND THAT MANEUVERABILITY. BUT ON THE SOUTH SIDE, EVEN THE ON-STREET PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE, IT'S, IT'S MAINTAINED, UM, WITH OUR, OUR MANEUVERABILITY ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MANEUVER [05:25:01] IN AND OUT OF BOTH THE LOADING AND THE PORT OF CASHIER ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 36TH STREET WITHOUT IMPACTING THE ON STREET PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE. SO ONLY THE ON STREET PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE WOULD BE REMOVED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THOSE DRIVEWAYS. AND THE LOADING, I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING EFFECTIVELY IS ARE YOU GONNA CREATE SOME SORT OF A BUFFER BETWEEN THE SIDEWALKS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 36TH STREET AND THE ENTRY IS NOW YOU ESSENTIALLY ARE GOING TO HAVE THE ENTRY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO THE TOWERS? ARE YOU GONNA CREATE SOME SORT OF A BUFFER FOR PEDESTRIAN, MAKING IT A LITTLE MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON THESE DRAWINGS. UH, WE CAN PULL THEM BACK UP AGAIN. I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A, A MUCH, UH, A MORE GENEROUS BUFFER THAN EXISTS ON MIC. CURRENTLY THERE'S THAT HEDGE, RIGHT? YOU'LL NEED TO BE ON THE MIC. NEED A MICROPHONE. IF YOU'RE GONNA EXPLAIN ANYTHING, YOU'LL NEED TO BE ON THE MIC. SO MAYBE JUST PULL THE DRAWING THAT DRAWING UP ON THE, ON THE SCREEN. I'M LOOKING AT HPVA 300 DASH ZERO 20. DO WE HAVE THE REMOTE MIC DOWN HERE THAT THEY CAN USE THE MANEUVERABILITY ANALYSIS? IS IT AT THE LECTERN NISSAN? WHAT IS THE REMOTE MIC AT THE LECTERN THAT COULD BE USED? I DID NOT SEE A REMOTE MIC HERE. STAFF . HERE THEY COME. THANK YOU. OKAY, WHILE WE'RE WAITING JUST TO, TO ALSO, UH, REPEAT THE ONLY, UH, VEHICULAR ENTRANCE FOR THE, FOR THE SOUTH SIDE IS THE, THE RESIDENCES ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. THE CLUB IS ON COLLINS AVENUE. SO, UH, THE RESIDENCES THEMSELVES SHOULD NOT CREATE THAT MUCH, UH, TRAFFIC IN AND OUT, BUT YOU'LL SEE, WE'LL SHOW IT AGAIN. HERE WE GO. THAT'S THE SOUTH SIDE VIEW ELEVATE. YES. THAT'S THE SOUTH ELEVATION. YES, THAT'S THE SOUTH ELEVATION WITH THE 16 FOOT SIX SETBACK. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE LANDSCAPING IS ON THE NORTH SIDE FOR THE CITY PARKING LOT. THAT'S FINE. I JUST SEE THE, THEY'RE VERY FRIENDLY IN THE RENDERING, WALKING ALONG THAT SIDEWALK, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THERE'S ALSO A BIKE PARK WHERE THE BIKES ARE IS THE SOUTH SIDE OF 36TH STREET, CREATING A BUFFER THERE FOR THE VEHICLES COMING IN AND OUT, BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR PRIMARY ENTRANCE NOW TO THE, TO THE BUILDING FOR THE RESIDENCES ONLY? YEAH, JUST FOR THE RESIDENCE. I'M SORRY, JUST FOR THE RESIDENCE. THAT'S THE RESIDENCE. WHAT? THIS IS JUST FOR THE 20 RESIDENCES. SO 23 RESIDENCES. ARE YOU, ARE YOU ASKING, ASKING AND DELIVERY AND WHERE A DELIVERY IS COMING? THE DELIVERY IS ON THE STREET AS WELL? NO. YES, IT'S, IT'S WHERE, UM, IT'S EAST. YOU CAN SHOW IT ON THE, IT'S JUST EAST OF THE EDGE. YEAH. THIS, THE NORTH SIDE OF 36TH STREET IS WHAT I LOOKING AT. THIS IS THE, THERE'S TWO LOADING POSITIONS HERE BEHIND A BRONZE COLORED METAL SCREEN AS WE SHOWED IN THE ELEVATION. AND THEN THIS LANDSCAPING, THERE'LL BE A, A GREEN CREEK, UH, LANDSCAPING TREATMENT OVER THE, UM, ENTRANCE TO THAT LOADING BAY AS WELL. SO IT IS INTEGRATED INTO THE LANDSCAPING THROUGH HERE. HASKELL, ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT STREET? CORRECT. RIGHT. SO THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT, HE'S ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER, WE'RE LOOKING, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NORTH SIDE OF 36TH STREET. HE'S ASKING ABOUT THE SOUTH SIDE OF 36TH STREET SIDE, WHICH IS NOT YOUR PROPERTY. SOME SORT OF A BUFFER FOR ANY PEDESTRIANS, BECAUSE TO ME WE'RE, THAT SIDE IS GONNA BE USELESS IN TERMS OF A PEDESTRIAN. YOU'VE GOT SO MANY CURB CUTS WITH THE SOUTH SIDE. THE SOUTH SIDE HAS TODAY, AND ADRIAN CAN, UH, ELUCIDATE MORE ON THIS IS IS THERE IS A SI THERE'S PARKING ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE THAT'S GONNA REMAIN. UH, SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY, AND THE SIDEWALK THE SAME AND THEN THE SIDEWALK. SO THE SAME CONDITION THAT IT IS TODAY IS WHAT IT WILL BE AFTERWARDS. RIGHT. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. RIGHT. AND WHAT I'M ASKING IS, ARE THERE ANY CONSIDERATIONS FOR IMPROVING THAT SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET? YES, THANK YOU . AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S PRECEDENT THAT YOU'VE ASKED THAT BECAUSE OUR CLIENTS WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO MAKE ENHANCEMENTS TO THE PARK AND THAT SOUTH SIDE TO MAKE IT MORE INVITING. UH, THAT'S NOT PART OF, OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, BUT, UH, THEY'RE DEF DEFINITELY WITH YOU IN TERMS OF WANTING TO MAKE THAT THE SOUTH SIDE AS WELL. AND THE PARK ITSELF MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND VISUALLY, THAT IS NOT IN YOUR SCOPE OF WORK, NOT IN OUR SCOPE OF WORK. CONSIDERING THAT AS A CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY? NO, IT'S NOT IN, UH, WELL, UH, NO, IT'S NOT IN OUR SCOPE OF WORK. AND, UH, UH, NOR OF COURSE IS IT, UH, RELATE TO THE SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE HERE. BUT WE WILL, WE HAVE, I WILL SAY THIS, WE HAVE ENGAGED IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY WITH REGARD TO IMPROVING THE PARK. I KNOW FOR INSTANCE AS WELL, ONE OF DEBBIE'S, UH, LONGTIME WISHES IS TO SEE THESE BEACH FRONTS [05:30:01] BE BE MORE THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, SURFACE PARKING LOTS. SO WE ARE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE CITY, UH, AND POSSIBLY PARTICIPATING WITH THE CITY AND IMPROVING IT, BUT IT'S IN VERY PRELIMINARY STAGES. OKAY. UM, RAY, YOU'VE SEEN POISED. YEAH, I, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, ANYBODY THAT'S LOOKED AT ANY OF THE STREET ENDS BETWEEN COLLINS AND THE BEACH, I MEAN, LOOK AT 20TH STREET, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE SETAN ON ONE SIDE, YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALWAYS ALL BLOCKED UP. AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE SHORT CLUB. EVEN ON 24TH STREET, YOU'VE GOT EVERYTHING ON ONE SIDE FOR ONE HOTEL AND HOMES. THEN YOU'VE GOT THE ENTRANCE TO THE CONDOMINIUM ON THE OTHER SIDE. THERE'S ALWAYS TRUCKS AT THE END ALL TURNING AROUND AND WHATNOT. THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TOTALLY SATISFY BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE FOR THESE BUILDINGS. THANK YOU. UM, ELIZABETH, ANY, ANY WORDS OF, UM, NO. SINCE, ANY THOUGHTS? YES, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GROUND FLOOR AND ACCESSIBILITY AND SO FAR, UM, I WAS JUST CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE, LIKE THE DELIVERIES THAT YOU MENTIONED ARE NEXT TO THE ENTRANCE. THAT'S THE DELIVERIES OF EVERYTHING, LIKE ALL THE FOOD PRODUCE, ALL THE, THE MATERIALS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE HOTEL AND THE CLUB. AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS THE GARBAGE DUMPSTER. IT'S LOCATED WHERE I, I SHOULD HAVE, I DIDN'T SEE THE PLANTS, BUT RIGHT. SO GOING BACK TO THIS PLAN, YOU SEE JUST HERE, THERE'S TWO LOADING DOCKS. THE TRASH ROOM IS DOWNSTAIRS. THERE'S A DESIGNATED, UM, TRASH ELEVATOR HERE. THERE ARE, UM, COLD TRASH ROOMS DOWNSTAIRS. THE PRIVATE MEMBERS CLUB, UM, IS A PRIVATE MEMBERS CLUB. SO THE PUBLIC, UM, THE PUBLIC THROUGHPUT OF TRASH IS SOMEWHAT LIMITED IN TERMS OF THERE'S ONLY 36 HOTEL ROOMS. SO ALL OF THE STUDIES ARE POINTING TO THE FACT THAT THIS, THIS PROVISION IS TOTALLY ADEQUATE FOR THE INCOMING AND OUTGOING, BOTH TRASH AND DELIVERANCE. AND IT'S JUST LOCATED HERE. THANK YOU. LINDSAY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. NO, NO. UM, WELL THIS IS JUST COMMENTS. THIS IS BECAUSE WE'RE JUST GETTING, WE'RE WRAPPING UP AND NEXT IS GONNA BE ASKING FOR MOTIONS. YEAH. UM, SO NO QUESTIONS OBVIOUSLY. UM, I WOULD SAY, UM, I APPRECIATE, AND I KNOW I, LIKE I SAID, I MET WITH APPLICANT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ASKED THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME ON THIS PROJECT WAS KNOWING WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE BEACH WALK ACCESS. 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S COME UP BEFORE IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WHETHER IT'S A WALL NEXT TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING DOWN THE BEACH WALK OR WHETHER THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF PLEASANT VIEW. AND SO I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, YOU INCORPORATING THAT AND EXPLAINING THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY. UM, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UM, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I, UH, REALLY APPRECIATE THIS PROJECT AND I, I'M GLAD YOU SPEND AS MUCH TIME AS YOU DID ON THE HISTORIC, UH, BUILDINGS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, DEBBIE AND HER STAFF HAVE DONE OVER THE YEARS IS TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE WAY IN WHICH CONTINUITIES OF, OF BUILDINGS, OF DIFFERENT ERAS KIND OF FORM THE FABRIC OF OUR HISTORIC, OF OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE FUTURE. AND I KNOW, UM, MANY PEOPLE COME HERE FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BUT MANY PEOPLE ALSO COME HERE FOR THE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NOR AND FOSTER BUILDINGS. AND TO SEE THE NEWEST, SOME OF THE NEWEST BUILDINGS THAT, UH, THAT THIS, THAT THIS AMAZING COMMUNITY IS ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE. UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND THE WAY YOU KIND OF TEED THIS UP, I THINK IN THE STAFF REPORT, UNDERSTANDING THE, THE, THE LEGISLATIVE LANDSCAPE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITHIN HERE, WHICH IS NEW FOR ALL OF US HERE. UM, SO GIVEN, GIVEN THAT I, UM, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE AMOUNT OF, OF DETAIL YOU PUT INTO YOUR PLANS. I, I, I, I DON'T KNOW BETTER, BUT I AM, I AM WONDERING WHETHER WOOD RAILINGS, HOW WOOD RAILINGS ALONG THE OCEAN ARE GONNA, ARE GONNA MANAGE. BUT THAT'S, I'M NOT GOING TO, I'M NOT GOING TO, UM, GO THERE AND TRY TO, UH, YOU KNOW, DETAIL THAT, UH, WITH YOU. I DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER THAN WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. SO, UM, YEAH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, UM, THE WAY IN WHICH THE, THE, THE BUILDING KIND OF STEPS BACK AND IT'S IN A LINE OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE AN INCREDIBLE LANDSCAPE FOR HOSPITALITY IN OUR, IN OUR CITY. UM, AND IT'S GOING TO, I THINK IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS STUDIED IN THE FUTURE BY STUDENTS, SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE STUDENTS NOW WHO HAVE NO IDEA. [05:35:01] THEY THINK 2000 IS A ANCIENT BUILDING, SO A BUILDING BUILT IN 2000. SO THEY, UM, WILL SOMEDAY THINK THIS IS A, THIS IS A, UM, AN AMAZING BUILDING TO LOOK AT. I ONLY HOPE THAT THE, UM, THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME INTO THE, INTO THE LOBBY TO SEE WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'VE DONE THERE. I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE A PRIVATE CLUB AND I, AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO PUBLIC RESTAURANT, 'CAUSE THAT'S HOW I USUALLY GET INTO SOME OF THESE PLACES, IS JUST MAKE A RESERVATION . I, I'M BEGINNING TO WORRY. I MIGHT BE LIKE, UH, LOCKED OUT OF THIS WITH ALL OF MY, WITH ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS. UM, BUT, UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THERE WAS A WAY FOR THIS, FOR THIS LOBBY TO BE ABLE TO BE A PUBLIC PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, IF NOT FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, TO, TO VIEW IT AND TO UNDERSTAND IT TO, OR TO GIVE TOURS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT. IS IT, BUT I KNOW HOW PRIVATE THIS IS 'CAUSE IT'S A PRIVATE HOTEL, IT'S A PRIVATE CLUB, IT'S A PRIVATE PROPERTIES, CONDOMINIUMS. IS THERE ANY THOUGHT THAT, UM, YOU MIGHT, OR THE OWNERSHIP MIGHT GIVE TO THAT? I THINK IN THE HARRY'S BAR WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE TO START WITH BECAUSE OF COURSE, ANY OF US WHO HAVE BEEN THERE, YOU GO RIGHT TO HARRY'S BAR AND YOU'RE IN THE ANI AND YOU KIND OF UNDERSTAND ALL THE AMENITIES THAT ARE THERE IN VENICE. UM, BUT IS THAT, UM, QUESTION FOR OWNERSHIP? OH, OF COURSE, OF COURSE. I UNDERSTAND THE SAME QUESTION CAME UP ON THE HEARST TOWER IN NEW YORK AND, AND WHICH I WAS INVOLVED INTIMATELY WITH THAT MM-HMM . EVERYBODY WANTED TO GO IN AND PEOPLE COULD GO IN, THEY COULDN'T GO ANY FURTHER AND JUST LOOK AND COME OUT AGAIN. RIGHT. UM, BUT I'VE HEARD THIS ARGUMENT BEFORE. GOOD AFTERNOON, RAMEL, ANDY, 13TH FLOOR INVESTMENTS, 28 50 TIGER TAIL. UM, THE LOBBY IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND WE DO HAVE A BREEZEWAY THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE OPEN FOR EVENTS. UM, WE'RE NOT LOOKING, YES, IT'S AN EXCLUSIVE CLUB, BUT WE ALSO NOT SHUTTERING THE DOORS. SO IT'S NOT THAT TYPE OF LOCATION. OKAY. IT WAS JUST A A, A QUESTION. UM, THANK YOU FOR, UM, I THOUGHT RESPONDING. YOUR NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, HOW MUCH DOES A MARTINI COST EXACTLY. , WHERE'S THE BAR? AND I DON'T EVEN BELLINI BELLINI, EXCUSE ME. BELLINI, RIGHT, EXACTLY. YES. ALRIGHT. UM, WITH THAT I WOULD ENTERTAIN ANY, UH, ANY MOTIONS. AND DEBBIE, CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM WHAT WE WOULD NEED AND THE VOTES WE WOULD NEED? SO THIS IS, IS PURELY A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE DESIGN OF THE NEW, UH, PROPOSED BUILDING. UH, IT REQUIRES FOUR VOTES. OKAY. WE WOULD ASK MR. CHAIR AGAIN THAT THE, UH, THOUGH WITH RESPECT TO 36TH STREET MM-HMM . THAT THE DESIGN BE, AS WE HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU, WE WILL THOUGH BE HAPPY AS WELL TO WORK WITH STAFF ON, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FINAL DETAILING AND SUCH, UH, SURE. TO ACCOMMODATE CONCERNS. I, I, YES. THAT'S A THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME ABOUT THAT. I DID WANT JUST MENTION THAT I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU GUYS WERE COMING FROM ON THIS. I, I, AND I WAS TRYING TO REWORK LIKE HOW IT MIGHT POSSIBLY BE MOVED AROUND. I THINK THAT THE SOUTH SIDE IS PROBABLY THAT SIDE THAT'S ALREADY ACTIVE IS PROBABLY THE PLACE THAT I, I'M OKAY WITH IT BEING, WITH IT BEING THERE. AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO HOW IT'S GOING TO BE HANDLED ON THE STREET. AND THE FACT THAT YOU'RE EVEN, YOU KNOW, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY ABOUT, UH, MAKING THE SOUTH SIDE OF 36TH STREET ALSO PART OF LIKE, THAT GARDEN EXPERIENCE TO THE BEACH, UM, IS A VERY POSITIVE, UH, IS A VERY POSITIVE THING. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. DO CAN I, UH, GET A MOTION FROM ANYBODY? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT THE, UH, UH, THE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. I'LL SECOND IT. UM, AND THIS IS THE, UM, LET ME JUST SEE. LEMME READ THE ORDER. I IS THE, DID YOU CHANGE THE ORDER TO HAVE TO HAVE YEAH, IT'S, WE HAVE, UH, C TWO A IS THE CONDITION REGARDING 36TH STREET. RIGHT. SO CAN, WOULD YOU ACCEPT THAT? UM, C TWO A RE UM, REQUIRES THEM TO, UM, TO BE PLACED CONSIDER RELOCATING PLACED ON THE, ON THE NORTH? IT DOESN'T SAY NORTH SIDE. THERE JUST SAYS CONSIDER, I THINK IT CONSIDER RELOCATING THE, CONSIDER RELOCATING THAT I I DIDN'T THINK THEY NEEDED TO DO THAT. BUT IF, IF WE CAN JUST ELIMINATE THAT. NO, I DON'T THINK THEY NEED TO RELOCATE IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO I GUESS SAID, DO WE NEED TO NO, I WAS, I DIDN'T SECOND THAT HASKELL DID, BUT OH, HASKELL, YOU OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL? I'M FINE. SO THE, THE MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE PER STAFF'S CONDITION WITH THE EXCEPTION TO OF C TWO A AND THAT WOULD BE DELETED, RIGHT? YEAH. AND, AND THAT LEAVES THE, UM, SOUTH SIDE THE BUILDING? YES. AS IT [05:40:01] IS THE WAY IT CURRENTLY IS AS PROPOSED. WE, WE, THEY'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF WORKING WITH STAFF TO IMPROVE, UH, THE SOUTH SIDE OF 36TH STREET. AND THAT'S ENCOURAGING STAFF IS, WELL, THE SOUTH SIDE, NO, WE'RE, WE'RE SOUTH SIDE OF 36TH. WE'LL WORK, WE WILL WORK WITH THE CITY. WE'LL WORK, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS, WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING TO THE, TO THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE SOUTH SIDE OF 36TH STREET. I'M HOPING THAT IT DOES. LET ME JUST, LET ME EXPLAIN HOW THIS HAS HAPPENED IN, IN, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE THAT'S THE CITY SIDE OF THE STREET. IT, IT HAS TO BE A SEPARATE PROJECT, BUT LIKE, UH, LIKE WITH STARWOOD AND, AND, AND THE STREET, WHEN THE CITY FINALLY RED REDOES THE STREETS, STARWOOD IS GOING TO, INSTEAD OF HAVING TWIGS PLANTED, THEY'LL PAY THE MONEY TO PLANT BIG PLANTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THEY'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO HELP THE FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT MAKE THEIR BUILDING LOOK BETTER. IT'S NOT PART OF THE PROJECT, IT CAN'T BE, BUT BELIEVE ME, THIS IS A PRIVATE CLUB. EVERYBODY THAT'S COMING HAS TO THINK, THIS IS WONDERFUL. I'M HAPPY TO PAY MY MONEY. I LOVE WHAT I HAVE HERE. AND THEY WANT IT TO BE LOOK NICE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF I MAY, I THINK AMMAN ALSO WANTS TO IMPROVE THE CONDITION. SURE. THEY DO ON THE OTHER SIDE, UH, ON THE 35TH STREET SIDE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN WORKING WITH THE CITY TO MAKE THAT PARK AND PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE BETTER. YES. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR, UM, EXCLUDING, UH, C TWO A. CORRECT ON THE TABLE. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL, I'LL CALL THE ROLE. MS. CAR MARGO? YES. MR. MEYER? YES. MS LEVEL? YES. MR. BRESLIN? YES. MR. STEWART? YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT MONTH I'M BRINGING A PARK. UH, I SIT RIGHT BY THE AIR CONDITIONING DUCK. I'M FREEZING. NICE TO, WE ARE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT APPLICATION. THE NEXT APPLICATION [10. HPB25-0648, 1700 Washington Avenue – Possible Designation of an Historic Site.] ON THE AGENDA IS HPB 25 0 6 4 8. THIS IS 1700 WASHINGTON AVENUE, A POSSIBLE, UH, DESIGNATION OF A HISTORIC SITE. UH, THIS IS A PRESENTATION TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, AGAIN, OF A PRELIMINARY EVALUATION AND RECOMMENDATION REPORT RELATIVE TO THE POSSIBLE DESIGNATION OF THE JACKIE GLEASON THEATER, UH, LOCATED AT 1700 WASHINGTON AVENUE AS A HISTORIC SITE. UM, SO STAFF HAS ACTUALLY DID A, DID A PRETTY EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF RESEARCH AND SITE VISITS TO THIS PARTICULAR, UM, PROPERTY, UM, WHICH WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE AS THE JACKIE GLEASON THEATER. UM, IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED AS THE MIAMI BEACH AUDITORIUM THAT WAS REALLY PART OF THE, THE ORIGINAL CONVENTION CENTER COMPLEX. IT HAS A FASCINATING HISTORY. UM, IT HAS, UM, HOSTED SOME VERY SIGNIFICANT EVENTS. UM, WHAT WE, JUST AFTER, AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE IT THROUGHOUT THE REPORT, OUR EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF RESEARCH, NOT ONLY OF THE KIND OF ALTERATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN OCCURRED, THAT HAVE OCCURRED, UM, THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT HISTORY AND THE CITY COMMISSION ACTION FOR THIS PROPERTY. UM, BUT ALSO THROUGH OUR SITE VISIT, WE HAVE, UM, IN OUR REPORT SOME SUBSTANTIAL, UH, HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE PROPERTY. SO WHILE WE DO BELIEVE THAT ON THE FACE, UM, OF THIS, UH, PROPOSAL, THERE ARE CONDI, THERE ARE CRITERIA THAT HAVE BEEN SATISFIED, UH, MOST NOTABLY ASSOCIATION WITH THE LIVES OF PERSONS SIGNIFICANT IN THE HISTORY'S PAST. UM, THE THEATER IS ASSOCIATED WITH JACKIE GLEASON, AN ACTOR AND COMEDIAN WHO WAS REFERRED TO AS THE GREAT ONE. UM, HIS SHOW, THE JACKIE GLEASON [05:45:01] SHOW WAS FILMED IN THE MIAMI BEACH AUDITORIUM BETWEEN 1964 AND 1970. UM, HAD, UH, VARIOUS GUESTS FROM AROUND, AROUND THE WORLD. UM, AND WE DO FIND THAT THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE SOCIAL HISTORY OF THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH. UNFORTUNATELY, UM, BASED ON OUR RESEARCH, THERE IS VIRTUALLY NO ORIGINAL DESIGN ELEMENTS ON THE EXTERIOR OR WITHIN THE INTERIOR. UM, THE INTERIOR ALSO HAD A INTERESTING HISTORY WHERE, UH, MORRIS LAPIDUS HAD ACTUALLY BEEN HIRED BY THE CITY TO, TO RENOVATE THE INTERIOR. UM, WE WERE INTERESTED TO SEE IF ANY OF THOSE ELEMENTS REMAINED. UM, BUT IT APPEARS THAT IN THE LATE 1980S WHEN THE, UH, THEATER WAS UNDERWENT A SIGNIFICANT RENOVATION BY THE CITY, THAT ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS, INSTEAD OF SOMETIMES WE SEE THEY'RE JUST COVERED UP, WERE ACTUALLY REMOVED. UM, AGAIN, THE, AT THAT TIME THE EXTERIOR WAS ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY MODIFIED TO LOOK MORE LIKE AN ART DECO TYPE STYLE, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT CONCERNING BECAUSE WE DO, WE DO OFTEN HEAR, UM, THIS BUILDING REFERRED TO AS AN ART DECO BUILDING. AND IT IS, IT IS NOT. UM, IT WAS ORIGINALLY A VERY, UH, MODEST BUT INTERESTING, ELEGANT, UH, POSTWAR MODERN STYLE BUILDING. SO DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE DO NOT BELIEVE THIS, THIS BUILDING COULD BE RESTORED BACK TO, TO ANY SEMBLANCE OF ITS ORIGINAL DESIGN, UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE STRUCTURE HAS LOST ALL OF ITS ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY AND ARE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE, THE POSSIBLE DESIGNATION OF THE STRUCTURE AS A HISTORIC SITE. I THINK MORE APPROPRIATELY, POTENTIALLY COULD BE, UM, AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT OF, OF WHATEVER NEW RENOVATION PROJECT OR NEW PROJECT THAT COULD OCCUR HERE IN THE, IN THE FUTURE THAT AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SITE AS, AS A SOCIAL AND CULTURAL HUB OF THE CITY, UM, WOULD BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE COURSE OF ACTION THEN TO PRESERVE SOMETHING THAT DOES, THAT HAS NO, NO ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY LEFT. UM, BUT I AM, I AM GOING THROUGH THIS QUICK BECAUSE IT'S LATE IN THE DAY AND WE HAVE TO CONCLUDE IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT I AM MORE THAN HAPPY, UH, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UH, THE BOARD MAY HAVE, UM, ALONGSIDE THE JACKIE GLEASON, THERE IS THESE LOVELY LITTLE HAND PRINTS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT ON BY MANY STARS. UM, AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY MIGHT PLAN TO DO WITH THOSE. YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, MY FRIEND HARVEY SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD TAKE PICTURES OF HIM MAKE WALLPAPER, YOU COULD ALSO MAKE VINYL ON THE FLOOR SOMEPLACE. UM, BUT CURRENTLY THAT'S NOT LIKE THE WALK OF FAME THAT YOU SEE IN HOLLYWOOD. I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY PRETTY POORLY MAINTAINED BY THE CITY. UM, IT'S ALMOST EMBARRASSING. SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT WOULD BE DONE AS PART OF THAT, BUT THAT'S . YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW EITHER, BUT I, I, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE I I I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I'VE SEEN THE HAND PRINTS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE INTERESTING. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY PLAN FOR THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS CURRENTLY. UM, YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW. BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT, THAT JACKIE GLEASON THEATER, FILLMORE, AK WHATEVER, IS CURRENTLY NOT AT ALL HISTORIC. THE ORIGINAL TWIN SISTER OF THE MIAMI-DADE AUDITORIUM IS TOTALLY GONE. AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS THE HISTORIC PART. THERE'S I THINK, THREE DIFFERENT, UH, ADDITIONS BY THREE DIFFERENT ARCHITECTS. UM, AND, UM, THE INTEGRITY OF THE SOUND, EVERYTHING INSIDE, I DON'T THINK IT'S SAVEABLE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, TO ME THERE, YOU CAN'T, YOU CANNOT NAME THIS HISTORIC BUILDING AND GIVE THE, GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT IS STATE OF THE ART AND CAN BE AS GOOD AS NEW WORLD RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. UM, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE CONTEXT THAT THIS, I MIGHT HAVE JUST MISSED IT. UH, THE CONTEXT THAT THIS REQUEST CAME TO YOU IN, UM, THIS WAS A RESOLUTION BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, FERNANDEZ WAS THE SPONSOR. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY, UM, REAL EVALUATION OR DESCRIPTION OTHER THAN TO HAVE THE BOARD EVALUATE A POSSIBLE HISTORIC SITE FOR THIS LOCATION. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS INTENTIONS WERE, UH, WITH THIS, UH, DESIGNATION? I DO NOT. OKAY. [05:50:02] ANY, ANY, ANY COMMENT ON, ON THIS? I'M, I'M INCLINED TO, I'M INCLINED TO FOLLOW YOUR RECOMMENDATION. I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY LOGICAL AND, UH, AND THOUGHT OUT. AND, UH, OF COURSE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ABOUT THE SITE THAT NEEDED TO BE EXPLAINED TO FUTURE GENERATIONS THAT SHOULD BE BUILT INTO WHATEVER HAPPENS THERE. BUT YEAH, A GO A LITTLE MUSEUM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT INSIDE. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW IS, UM, WAY BACK, UH, I THINK WHEN MATT BAUER WAS THE MAYOR, UH, CIRQUE DE SOLEIL HAD BEEN APPROVED TO GO IN THAT SITE, AND THEY WOULD'VE BEEN TEARING THAT DOWN, BUILDING A NEW CIRQUE DE SOLEIL THING AND A HOTEL. AND THEY WERE ACTUALLY APPROVED BY COMMISSION, BUT THEY, THEY WALKED AWAY FROM THE PROJECT BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT WELCOMED BY THE COMMUNITY. TOO MANY PEOPLE WERE AGAINST THEM COMING IN AND DOING THAT. BUT A PREVIOUS COMMISSION ALREADY SAID, HEY, YEAH, LET'S LET'S BRING IN SOMETHING NEW. LET'S MAKE IT, LET'S MAKE IT GREAT. SO WHY WE'RE CIRCLING ALL BACK AROUND NOW AND LOOKING AT IT AND SAYING, OH NO, THIS MIGHT BE A HISTORIC BUILDING, I THINK IS, UH, IN INCORRECT. AND I AGREE WITH YOUR, YOUR ANALYSIS, DEBBIE. YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK IT WAS A GOOD EXERCISE, AND I'M GLAD THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION TO REALLY TAKE A DEEP DIVE, UM, AND LOOK TO SEE IF POTENTIALLY THERE ARE GREAT ARCHITECTS THAT, THAT WORKED ON THIS RUSSELL PANCOAST, EL MURRAY DIXON, UM, MORRIS LAPIDUS TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING, UM, SALVAGEABLE OR, OR WORTH DESIGNATING. AND UNFORTUNATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING LEFT WITH ANY INTEGRITY. IT'S JUST S LINDSAY. SO I THINK I WAS TRYING TO, I ALREADY CLEANED OUT MY STACK, BUT I FOUND IT INTERESTING THAT WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION HERE ON A POSSIBLE, ON A, ON A RECOMMENDATION NOT TO DESIGNATE SOMETHING HISTORIC THAN ON LIKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO DESIGNATE SOMETHING HISTORIC EARLIER TODAY. UM, AT LEAST PAGES. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT PHOTOS AND OTHER THINGS. UM, I WILL SAY, UM, I REMEMBER I WENT ON, MY PARENTS CAME TO VISIT YEARS AGO AND WE WENT ON A TOUR AND SOMEONE'S LIKE, THIS IS ART DECO. AND I WAS LIKE, BUT IS IT, I, NO, I DON'T THINK SO. UM, BUT I THINK THAT THE HISTORY WORTH PRESERVING IS WHAT HAPPENED THERE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE ARCHITECTURE THAT STILL EXISTS TODAY. UM, AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M INCLINED TO GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS WELL, UM, FOR THAT REASON. UM, IS THAT EMOTION? NO, I'M JUST HAVING COMMENTS. DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? DO YOU NEED A MOTION? WELL, I THINK IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WANNA SPEAK, WE SHOULD HAVE, IF THERE'S ANY YES, PLEASE. . ROGER. I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ME FOREVER. ANYONE THIS WAS YOUR HAND, ROGER AGAIN? NO, UH, ROGER GOBLE AND DPL L I'M ACTUALLY NOT NOT GONNA READ BECAUSE I, I HEARD DEBBIE SAT IN ENCOUNTERS A LOT OF, UH, THINGS THAT WERE WRITTEN, BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE THAT PLACES OF CULTURAL INTEREST. LIKE, I CAME HERE BECAUSE I WATCHED THE JACKIE GLEASON SHOW AND I SAW THEM COMING IN FROM THE WATER AND I SAID, I WANNA LIVE THERE. AND A HUNDRED YEARS LATER, HERE I AM. UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND LIKE THE, UH, AL CAPONE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT HISTORIC, BUT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REALLY WORTH PEOPLE WANNA SEE 'EM. MM-HMM . ANYWAY, THAT'S BEEN A LITTLE SPIEL AT THE END OF THE DAY. THANK YOU. AND ARE WE STILL COMMENTING OR COMMENT? YES, YOU CAN COMMENT. OH, I WAS GONNA SAY, I MEAN, RAY MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT HAND PRINTS AND, YOU KNOW, RECREATING THIS. AND I EXPECT THE CITY WILL PROBABLY DO THIS EVEN IF WE DIDN'T SAY IT. BUT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE HERE AND WE HAVE THE FORUM, I WOULD LOVE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER ENDS UP HAPPENING THERE. 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS, RECOGNITION OF THE HISTORY THAT EXISTED IN THIS PLACE. YOU KNOW, THE JACKIE LEASON THEATER. I MEAN, SOME OF THIS COULD BE INCORPORATED IN SOME SORT OF MEMORIAL PLAQUE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, TO REALLY RECOGNIZE WHAT HAPPENED THERE. I, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WHEN I FIRST SAW THAT THIS WAS THE AGENDA OF, I HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, I WAS LIKE, NO, BUT JACKIE GLEASON AND THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER, AND IT, TO ME IT EVOKES LIKE THE DO VILLE AND THE THINGS THAT WE, THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD THERE AND, AND HISTORIC PERFORMANCES THAT HAPPENED THERE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. UM, AND NOT WANTING TO LOSE SOMETHING ELSE, BUT LEARNING MORE ABOUT IT. UM, LIKE I SAID, I'M INCLINED TO GO STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A RECOGNITION. UM, YOU KNOW, AND SO I, I HAVE, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT WE COULD ASK THE COMMISSION THAT LATER ON, BUT I JUST WANNA PUT THAT FORWARD. THE QR CODE, , YOU KNOW, I, WE COULD PUT OUT A QR CODE, BUT LIKE, I FEEL LIKE IN 10 YEARS QR CODES AREN'T GONNA BE A THING, YOU KNOW, SO . [05:55:01] UM, BUT ANYWAYS, SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT WHILE WE'RE HERE. OKAY. SO, UM, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU SAY YOU NEEDED A RECOMMEND? UM, I THINK A MOTION TO SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. DO NOT PROCEED WITH A FORMAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION REPORT. OKAY. I WILL MOVE THAT WE SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND NOT PROCEED WITH A FORMAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION REPORT. OKAY. OKAY. UH, LET ME CALL THE ROLE. MS. CAMARGO? YES. MR. MEYER? YES. MR. BRESLIN? YES. MS. LOVELL? YES. MR. STEWART? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, BOARD MEMBERS, THAT CONCLUDES OUR REGULAR APPLICATION, BUT WE DO HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM [11. HPB24-0626 a.k.a. HPB20-0379, 2901-2911 Indian Creek Dr. Update regarding property maintenance issues, fencing and the status of the building permit for the project. ] REAL QUICK. UH, GRAHAM PENN IS ON THE LINE. THIS IS AN UPDATE REGARDING 29 0 1, 29 11 INDIAN CREEK DRIVE. UM, I DID ADVISE GRAHAM TO PARTICIPATE VIA ZOOM, SO IT'S NOT OUT OF, UM, ANY DISRESPECT FOR THE BOARD, BUT I KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE A LONG DAY AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT FOR GRAHAM TO PARTICIPATE VIA ZOOM. I SEE HE IS WITH US AND HE DOES HAVE A POSITIVE UPDATE REGARDING THE PROPERTIES. GRAHAM AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. YES. PERFECT. I APOLOGIZE AGAIN FOR NOT BEING THERE, BUT SITTING THERE FOR SIX AND A HALF HOURS FOR THIS, UH, DOES SEEM LIKE A BIT OF, A LITTLE BIT OF A WASTE. UH, AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE IN, IN FEBRUARY, WE HAD A CIRCUMSTANCE. WE WERE WAITING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION FENCE PERMIT TO ISSUE. UH, AND WE WERE STILL WORKING ON THE, THE MASTER BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION. GOOD NEWS, UH, AS DEBBIE INDICATED, AND I DO HAVE SLIDES, WHICH I'M SURE YOU DO NOT WANNA SEE, BUT I WILL, WE COULD PUT THEM UP IF YOU'RE INTERESTED. DEFENSE PERMIT IS ISSUED. THE ACTUAL DEFENSE HAS BEEN INSTALLED, UH, AROUND, AROUND THE PROPERTY. WE'RE WAITING FOR THE ME, THE STEEL PANELS, UM, BUT THE FRAME IS UP. SO WE ANTICIPATE THE, THE FENCING BEING FULLY INSTALLED THIS WEEK. IT'S A NICE TALL FENCING, WHICH SHOULD PROTECT THE PROPERTY, UH, MOVING FORWARD, UM, AND AVOID THE INTRUSIONS THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN SUFFERING WITH FOR 12 YEARS AT THIS POINT. UM, THE PRO PROPERTIES CONDITION REMAINS GOOD. UH, AND WE ARE AT THE FINAL, FINAL STAGES OF GETTING THE MASTER BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH, UH, AFTER WHICH WE CAN PROCEED TO DEMOLISH AS APPROVED AND MOVE ON TO NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO, UH, WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS SINCE FEBRUARY. UM, AND I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OBVIOUSLY, IF THE BOARD, UH, WANTS US TO RETURN AGAIN, I'LL GLADLY COME BACK IN PERSON OR IN CYBERSPACE, WHICHEVER YOU'RE INTERESTED IN. BUT WE ARE NOW, UH, HOPEFULLY ON THE GLIDE PATH TO BEING DONE. THAT'S ALL. GREAT. AND 200 SOUTH PIS GAME BELOW, BY THE WAY. , I DON'T THINK I PUT MY EITHER ADDRESS. OH, THAT'S GOOD. GOOD NEWS. DID YOU GET THE, UM, DID YOU GET THE GRAPHICS, UM, FIGURED OUT ON THE, ON THE FENCE? YES. YES. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU, GRAHAM. HE'S GONE. OKAY. THAT'S OUR LAST ITEM. MOTION TO A TURN? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. DO I NEED NEXT, NEXT WEEK? * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.