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THE MEETING IS ABOUT TO BEGIN.
REMEMBER TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE AS THIS MEETING IS BEING RECORDED FOR PUBLIC RECORD, PLEASE STAND BY.
WE ARE GOING ON AIR IN 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE MAY 13TH MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
AND, UH, WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ASK DEBBIE TACKETT TO, UM, CONTINUE THE MEETING.
UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED TODAY, I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME OUR NEWEST, UH, BOARD MEMBER, RANDY HOWORTH.
UH, RANDY WAS, WAS APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION LAST MONTH, AND WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HIM HERE.
HE HAS EXTENSIVE, UH, EXPERIENCE WITH LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, URBAN DESIGN, AND ALSO WITH, UH, HE'S PREVIOUSLY SERVED ON THE TAMPA HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
SO, UM, HE HAS EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE IN WHAT WE DO.
AND RANDY, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE, UM, TO ADD ANYTHING, BUT WE'RE VERY HAPPY YOU'RE HERE.
UM, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY.
UH, I SERVED ON THE TAMPA BOARD FOR TWO YEARS AND AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE AND, UH, REALLY EXCITED ABOUT BEING INVOLVED WITH THAT TYPE OF, UH, ACTIVITY AGAIN.
'CAUSE I FOUND IT SO ENJOYABLE TO, UH, INTERACT WITH DEVELOPERS AND HOMEOWNERS AND TRYING TO GET THINGS IMPROVED IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK MIAMI BEACH IS CERTAINLY A GREAT PLACE TO START FOR ME HERE.
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UM, I JUST ONE QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT.WE WILL HAVE FIVE, UH, BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT TODAY.
FIVE MEMBERS IS A, IS A, UM, ENOUGH FOR A QUORUM AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO HEAR ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS.
BUT ONE MEMBER, UH, MS. CAMARGO IS ABSENT TODAY.
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THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO NICKAND GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD WILL BE CONDUCTED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH MEMBERS OF THE BOARD PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AT MIAMI BEACH CITY HALL, AND APPLICANTS AND STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM.
TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY IN TODAY'S MEETING, THE PUBLIC MAY DIAL 1-888-475-FOUR 4 9 9 AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 1 7 4 8 3 4 7 4 8 8 POUND, OR LOG INTO THE ZOOM APP AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH AGAIN IS 8 1 7 4 8 3 4 7 4 8 8.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM? MUST CLICK THE RAISE HAND ICON OR DIAL STAR NINE IF YOU ARE PARTICIPATING BY PHONE.
IF YOU'RE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A BUSINESS, A CORPORATION, OR ANOTHER PERSON, YOU NEED TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST WITH CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
IF YOU HAVEN'T REGISTERED YET, YOU SHOULD REGISTER BEFORE YOU SPEAK TO THE BOARD.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ONLY ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF AND NOT ANY OTHER PARTY, OR IF YOU'RE TESTIFYING AS AN EXPERT WITNESS, PROVIDING ONLY SCIENTIFIC, TECHNICAL, OR OTHER SPECIALIZED INFORMATION OR TESTIMONY IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING, OR IF YOU'RE APPEARING AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION OR REIMBURSEMENT FOR YOUR APPEARANCE TO EXPRESS SUPPORT OF OR OPPOSITION.
20 ITEM EXPERT WITNESSES AND REPRESENTATIVES OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SHALL PRIOR TO APPEARING DISCLOSE IN WRITING TO THE CITY CLERK, THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THE PRINCIPLE ON WHOSE BEHALF THEY'RE COMMUNICATING.
IF YOU'RE AN ARCHITECT, ATTORNEY, OR EMPLOYEE REPRESENTING AN APPLICANT OR AN OBJECTOR, YOU MUST REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST.
THESE RULES APPLY WHETHER YOU'RE APPEARING IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST AN ITEM, OR ENCOURAGING OR ARGUING AGAINST ITS PASSAGE, DEFEAT, MODIFICATION, OR CONTINUANCE.
[SWEARING IN OF PUBLIC]
I'D LIKE TO SWEAR IN ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR STAFF WHO WILL BE TESTIFYING TODAY.PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU.
[1. April 22, 2025 meeting]
BUSINESS THIS MORNING IS THE APPROVAL OF THE APRIL, UM, 22ND, UH, MEETING MINUTES.DOES, DO ANY OF THE MEMBERS HAVE EDITS, UH, OR CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE? NO.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? YES.
I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN PAPER.
[2. HPB24-0641, 1800 Michigan Avenue. ]
UH, ONE REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE, UH, THIS MORNING, UH, WHICH IS HPB 24 0 6 4 1.THE APPLICATION IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF
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THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO THE JUNE 17TH MEETING.
UM, STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, TO ADDRESS SOME OF OUR COMMENTS AND WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE REQUEST A CONTINUANCE.
I SEE EMILY BALTER HERE, UM, FROM THE APPLICANT'S SIDE.
EMILY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.
DOES THE, DO THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? OKAY.
BALTER, BEHAR DEL FERNANDEZ, LARKIN AND TAP OFFICE OF 200 SOUTH BISCAY BOULEVARD.
WE'RE SEEKING TO COME BEFORE YOU IN JUNE.
I'LL MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE THE APPLICATION.
I THINK WE NEED TO OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTE.
UM, ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE? PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE ON ZOOM OR COME FORWARD.
UM, MR. CHAIR, WE DO HAVE ONE, UM, SPEAKER.
I, UH, I, I LIVE ON MICHIGAN STREET, A FEW HOMES AWAY.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT YOU, YOU REALLY CAN'T KNOCK DOWN ANY HOMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE ARE A HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, THIS HOME IS BEING SOUGHT TO KNOCK DOWN BECAUSE THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF THIS ENTIRE LOT AND SELL IT TO A DEVELOPER.
UH, THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.
AND, UH, I AM JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD WOULD ALLOW THE HOME TO GET KNOCKED DOWN IF IT'S CLEARLY NOT STRUCTURALLY UNSAFE.
UM, I SEE NO OTHER, UH, SPEAKERS.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY, WE'RE THE, THE ONLY VOTE BEFORE THE BOARD IS ON THE REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE.
SO I WILL MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE THE APPLICATION.
SO THE APPLICATION WAS CONTINUED TO JUNE 17TH.
[3. HPB24-0639, 833 6th Street – Possible Designation of an Historic Site.]
UH, REGULAR APPLICATION UNDER CONTINUED ITEMS ON THE AGENDA IS HPB 24 0 6 3 9.THIS IS A POSSIBLE DESIGNATION OF A HISTORIC SITE FOR THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER.
UM, GIVEN THE SHORT BOARD TODAY, WE, WE DO ONLY HAVE FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT, WHICH IS THE SAME NUMBER WE HAD AT THE APRIL MEETING.
UM, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD THAT THIS ALSO BE CONTINUED TO THE JUNE MEETING, UM, BECAUSE THE BOARD WAS SPLIT AND DIDN'T APPEAR TO HAVE THE REQUIRED FOUR AFFIRMATIVE VOTES.
AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO DISCUSS IT.
BUT, UM, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THIS ITEM BE CONTINUED UNTIL WE HAVE, UH, SIX OR SEVEN MEMBERS PRESENT, WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL BE THE JUNE 17TH MEETING.
IS THIS ALSO OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING? PUBLIC? YES.
UM, SO SHOULD WE DO THAT NEXT? SURE.
IF, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, UM, WE CAN OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE PLEASE COME FORWARD.
ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
UM, I SEE ONE SPEAKER, UH, JOHAN MOORE.
UM, I WANT TO WELCOME THE NEW MEMBER, UH, AND THANK, UH, DEBBIE FOR HER STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT IN FACT, THIS BE DEFERRED BY A MONTH, UM, MERIDIAN COURT COMMUNITY, UM, WOULD FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE, UH, WITH A FULLY SEATED BOARD.
UH, AND WE THINK THAT ONLY A FULLY SEATED BOARD, UH, CORRECTLY AND ACCURATELY CAN REFLECT COMMUNITY STANDARDS OF PRESERVATION.
UH, AND I WANT TO REPEAT THAT WE IN NO WAY OBJECT TO, UH, A MEMBER'S, UH, PRINCIPLED, UH, OBJECTION TO CONSIDERING DESIGNATION AT THIS TIME.
UH, GIVEN THE MEMBERS, UH, AS I SAY AGAIN, PRINCIPLED SUPPORT FOR LEAVING THE, UH, COMMISSION THE OPTION OPEN OF REVISITING THIS SITE FOR HEAVY MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT AS A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WE CONTINUE TO OBJECT
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TO THAT AND WE WOULD CONSIDER IT TO BE A, A FAIRER VOTE IF IN FACT, THE BOARD WOULD AGREE TO, UH, POSTPONE THIS, DEFER THIS BY ONE MONTH.AND, AND JOHANN, I, I APOLOGIZE.
DO YOU SWEAR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU GAVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, I DO.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS DAVID MCKINNEY.
DO YOU SWEAR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'VE GIVEN IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? UH, I DO.
UH, I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT THE, UH, UM, UH, THE DELAY OF THE, A CONSIDERATION.
I HAVE TO RAISE A, UH, CONCERN ABOUT THE PRECEDENT OF LOOKING AT A BUILDING AND EVALUATING IT ON, UH, THE, UH, MEMBERS, UH, THEIR REALLY CONCERNS ABOUT PUBLIC POLICY.
INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THE, THE BUILDING ON ITS MERIT.
UM, IN, IN THAT CASE, I WOULD ACTUALLY, UH, SUGGEST THAT YOU DEFER THE APPLICATION.
AND UNTIL, UH, MEMBERS ARE WILLING TO LOOK AT THE BUILDING AND, UH, EVALUATED, UH, ACCORDING TO THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN THIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION STATUTE, UH, IT IS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT TO, TO START, UM, BRINGING IN THINGS THAT ARE EXTRANEOUS TO THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS, UH, THERE, AND REALLY OBTAINING NOT JUST THIS APPLICATION, BUT I THINK THE ENTIRE PROCESS.
UH, I SEE NO OTHER, UH, PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
THEN, UM, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, OPEN IT FOR BOARD MEMBER COMMENT.
ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING TO ADD? IT CAN BE CONTINUED.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CHANGE MY VOTE.
UM, ONE THING I DID WANT TO POINT OUT, UH, MR. HOLLINGWORTH WILL BE ABSENT AT THE JUNE MEETING
SO IN THE UTMOST, UM, CAUTIOUSNESS, MAYBE THE JULY 8TH MEETING WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL.
WE ARE STILL SHORT ONE, ONE MEMBER.
UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT, THAT THAT POSITION WILL BE FILLED AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, BUT THAT'S NOT GUARANTEED EITHER.
SO WOULD, WOULD THE MOTION BE TO CONTINUE TO THE JULY 8TH MEETING GIVEN THE UNCERTAINTY THAT WE'LL HAVE SIX OR SEVEN MEMBERS AT THE JUNE MEETING? MY ONLY QUESTION IS ON THE NEW MEMBERS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO BRING THEM UP TO DATE ON WHAT'S GOING ON? THEY HAVEN'T HEARD ALL THE TERING THAT WE'VE HAD BACK AND FORTH AND WHATNOT, AND THEY WERE, I WOULD BE LEFT WITH LIKE, OH GEE, WHAT DO I DO? WELL, AND, AND STAFF CERTAINLY MEETS WITH EACH OF THE NEW BOARD MEMBERS PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND ADVISES THEM.
SO I, IF I MAY, MAYBE YOU'RE CAUGHT UP.
SO MAYBE I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN.
UM, BUT I, 'CAUSE I WASN'T HEARING THE DECEMBER MEETING, YOU KNOW, I WAS ABSENT.
UM, AND SO I WENT BACK AND WATCHED THAT MEETING SO THAT I WAS FAMILIAR.
SO I MEAN, IF MR. HOLLINGSWORTH HAS NOT DONE THAT AND HE WANTED TO, I'M, I'M SURE HE IS FREE TO DO SO.
UM, I DID WATCH THE ENTIRE MEETING, YOUR LAST MEETING, SO BRINGS ME UP TO SPEED AS A, YOUR LAST MEETING.
I DIDN'T SEE ALL THE PREVIOUS, I'VE BEEN TO THE SITE AS WELL TWICE NOW, SO I'M PRETTY WELL UP TO SPEED ON WHERE YOU ARE IN THE PROCESS.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE RELEVANT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I'D RATHER ASK THEM AT THE MM-HMM
ALRIGHT, SO DID WE HAVE A MOTION? A MOTION DIDN'T, I'M SORRY, WHAT? DID WE MAKE A MOTION? OH, DID YOU MAKE NO, HE KIND OF SAID HE WOULD DO.
WOULD YOU LIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I, I, I SURE I WILL MAKE THE MOTION.
UM, SO, UH, PURSUANT TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION, I WOULD, UH, MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE THIS APPLICATION UNTIL THE JULY MEETING IN THE HOPES THAT WE WILL HAVE MORE THAN FIVE PEOPLE SITTING UP HERE.
SECOND, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.
[4. HPB25-0646 a.k.a. HPB21-0482, 1300 Lenox Avenue.]
APPLICATION IS HPB 25 0 6 4 6.AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING MODIFICATIONS TO A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION, RENOVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY
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HOME, INCLUDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ATTACHED AND DETACHED ADDITIONS AND VARIANCES FROM THE REQUIRED SETBACKS, OPEN SPACE LOT COVERAGE AND RETAINING WALL REGULATIONS.UM, SPECIFICALLY THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, UM, SOME DESIGN MODIFICATIONS AND MODIFICATIONS TO TWO OF THE PREVIOUSLY ISSUED, UH, VARIANCES.
UM, FOR A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION, THIS IS A ONE STORY, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOME LOCATED WITHIN THE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, WAS BUILT IN 1936 IN THE MEDITERRANEAN REVIVAL ART DECO TRANSITIONAL STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE.
UM, IN MARCH OF 2022, THE BOARD APPROVED THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, WHICH DID INCLUDE, UM, DEMOLITION, PARTIAL DEMOLITION, RENOVATION RESTORATION, AND THE ELEVATION OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
THE BOARD ALSO DID APPROVE, UM, AND ATTACHED AND DETACHED ADDITIONS AS WELL AS VARIANCES FROM THE SETBACKS, OPEN SPACE LOT COVERAGE AND RETAINING WALL, UH, REGULATIONS.
SO THE EXISTING, UH, PROJECT THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TODAY, UM, IS SUBSTANTIALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROJECT.
UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO RESTORE THE EXISTING HOME AND WHAT THEY ARE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY REDUCING THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE EXISTING HOME.
PREVIOUSLY, THE PLAN WAS TO ELEVATE THE HOME FROM THE INTERIOR.
SO INSTEAD OF, UM, LIFTING THE HOME, THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN WAS TO ADAPT THE HOME WITHIN THE EXISTING WALLS BY ELEVATING THE FLOOR WITHIN THE WALLS AND ADJUSTING, UH, THE WINDOW OPENINGS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPORTIONS.
UM, IN LOCATIONS OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, UM, THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN SOLD.
THE CURRENT OWNER DID, UH, REACH OUT TO STAFF.
THEY, UH, PREFER NOT TO RAISE IT, UM, AND KEEP IT AT ITS EXISTING FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A TRICKY THING, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE WERE ALL VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE INNOVATIVE, CREATIVE WAY TO ELEVATE THE HOME WHEN IT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
THAT DOES RESULT IN MORE DEMOLITION OF THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL OF THE HOME.
THIS IS, UH, MUCH LESS INTERVENTION IN TERMS OF STRUCTURAL MODIFICATIONS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE MADE TO THE HOME.
UM, SO FROM A PURELY HISTORIC PRESERVATION POINT OF VIEW, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A LOWER INTERVENTION PROJECT WHICH RETAINS MORE OF ITS ORIGINAL FABRIC.
UM, FROM A RESILIENCY POINT OF VIEW, UM, I THINK WORKING WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, CERTAIN FLOOD, DRY FLOOD PROOFING, UM, TECHNIQUES WILL HAVE TO BE USED BECAUSE THE HOME IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE CURRENT FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATIONS.
UM, BUT STAFF, UH, DOES NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO, TO THIS, UH, REDUCED SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE EXISTING ONE STORY HOME.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS, WHICH WE NOTED IN OUR, UH, STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDATION WITH REGARD TO SOME OF THE NEW WINDOW OPENINGS, PARTICULARLY ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE HOME.
UM, THESE WINDOW OPENINGS WILL BE VISIBLE FROM BOTH 13TH STREET AND LENNOX AVENUE, AND WE ARE ASKING, UM, THE BOARD TO CONSIDER NOT APPROVING THEM, EXTENDING ALL THE WAY DOWN, UM, TO THE, TO THE GROUND LEVEL, BUT TO RETAIN THE PROPORTIONS OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS.
UM, REGARDING THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, SO AGAIN, IN 2022, THE BOARD APPROVED A SIMILAR NEW DETACHED TWO STORY BUILDING AT THE REAR OF THE HOME.
UM, THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED DESIGN DOES MAINTAIN, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME FOOTPRINT OF THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL.
IT IS SLIGHTLY LARGER, WHICH IS, UM, ACTUALLY RESULTING IN THE TWO VARIANCES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED TO BE MODIFIED.
SO THE TWO VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUESTING MODIFICATIONS ARE THE OVERALL LOCK COVERAGE.
AND THIS IS A RESULT OF A VERY SLIGHT INCREASE IN, UH, BUILDING FOOTPRINT SIZE.
UM, IT'S 28 SQUARE FEET IS THE INCREASE, UM, IN BUILDING FOOTPRINT, WHICH WOULD RESULT IN A LOT COVERAGE OF 36.1%.
THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED VARIANCE WAS FOR 35.7%.
UM, AND STAFF WOULD NOTE, AND ACTUALLY, UM, WE ARE GONNA BE DISCUSSING THIS AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
UM, WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE A ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT HOME OR A HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED HOME THAT IS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE ARE CERTAIN INCENTIVES, UH, ZONING WISE AVAILABLE TO THESE HOMES.
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PROPOSAL, WHICH WE'RE AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT LATER, TO EXTEND THESE INCENTIVES TO CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS AS WELL.THE INCENTIVES WOULD ALLOW FOR UP TO A, UH, 40% LOT COVERAGE.
SO IF THIS PROPERTY WAS ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE INCENTIVES, THEY WOULD NOT NEED THE VARIANCE.
UM, AND VARIANCE NUMBER TWO IS FOR THE, UM, REAR YARD LANDSCAPE, OPEN SPACE AREA.
AGAIN, THIS IS A VERY SMALL, UM, UH, INCREASE IN THE VARIANCE REQUESTED.
UM, IT, THEY'RE TRYING, THEY'RE INCREASING 72 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND AGAIN, STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION WITH THIS, WITH THIS MINOR MODIFICATION.
UM, AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS WITHIN OUR STAFF REPORT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STAFF REPORT? UH, FOR DEBBIE? RANDY? UM, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE SECOND VARIANCE REQUEST.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT YOU WOULD INCREASE THE LANDSCAPING OR YOU INCREASING
NO, THEY'RE ACTUALLY, THEY'RE INCREASING THE VARIANCE REQUEST.
SO IN THE REQUIRED REAR YARD, YOU'RE, THERE'S A MINIMUM OF 70% LANDSCAPE AREA.
THE PREVIOUS VARI VARIANCE WAS TO PROVIDE 45.5%.
NOW THEY'RE ASKING TO PROVIDE ONLY 39.1%.
SO THEY'RE REDUCING THE, THE LANDSCAPE AREA IN THE, IN THE REQUIRED REAR YARD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DEBBIE? OKAY.
I'M THE ARCHITECT OF THE PROJECT.
SO, UH, THE MAJOR, UH, MODIFICATION THAT WE ARE, UM, UH, TRYING TO DO HERE.
IT'S THE, UH, MODIFICATION OF THE, UH, ACCESSORY BUILDING.
SO IN THE DESIGN OF IT, BESIDES OF THE TWO VARIANCES THAT, UH, DEBBIE SPOKE, SO WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT, UM, MORE, UM, CONTEMPORARY AND MORE, UM, APPEALING RATHER THAN BEING, UH, UH, BRUTALISM BO BOX.
SO THAT'S, UM, ANOTHER CONSIDERATION THAT, UH, IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN IN PLACE.
IS THAT THE EXTENT OF YOUR PRESENTATION THAT MM-HMM
UM, SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE IS WHY DID YOU PICK THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN FOR THE AUXILIARY BUILDING? IT'S GONNA STAND OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IN MY OPINION.
UH, BECAUSE, UH, WE ORIGINALLY IT WAS, UH, LIKE A BOX.
IT WAS LIKE A BRUTALISM, IT WAS TOO CONCRETE.
SO WE WANNA BRING SOMETHING, UH, MORE, UH, WARMED, UH, WITH SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, DESIGN, CONTEMPORARY DESIGN.
SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF JUST TO BRING MORE, UH, UH, APPEALING TO, TO THE ACCESSORY ITSELF.
UM, FURTHER TO THAT QUESTION, UM, SO THIS DESIGN THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, VIRTUALLY WAS APPROVED ALREADY FOR THE ACCESSORY BUILDING, THE, THE WOOD FACADE AND THE HEAT? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
IT WAS A, THE PREVIOUS DESIGN WAS VERY CONTEMPORARY, UM, BUT IT IS NOT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY.
OH, SO THIS IS IN DIFFERENT MATERIALITY, IS A BRAND DESIGN OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDING.
SO WE'VE NOT REVIEWED IT AT ALL.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT?
UM, LINDSAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, WELL, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPTION.
WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY AT THE END TO HAVE BOARD DISCUSSION.
WHAT IS THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE TO CHANGING THE WINDOWS TO A HIGHER, UH, BOTTOM SILL, PLEASE, TO MATCH THE EXISTING? THAT'S A QUESTION TO YOU.
UH, YOU MEAN ON THE EAST FACADE? I'M SORRY, ON THE EAST FACADE, I THINK IT WAS THE EAST FACADE, UM, FACING LENNOX.
THERE WAS, THE WINDOWS GO RIGHT TO THE FLOOR, I THINK IN YOUR DESIGN.
AND CHANGES THE SORT OF CHANGES THE CHARACTER COMPLETELY.
AND AS OPPOSED TO THE EXISTING WINDOWS, WHICH LOOK LIKE THEY'RE AT A NORMAL CELL HEIGHT.
UH, WELL THIS IS, THIS IS JUST A CONNECTIVITY WITH THE EXTERIOR.
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TO KEEP THE, THE LOCATION OF IT.WE ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT LARGER BECAUSE WE NEED TO ACCESS THE, THE YARD.
SO IT'S JUST A FUNCTION IN THIS CASE.
SO YOU WOULDN'T BE WILLING TO GO BACK TO WHAT THE STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING? UH, NO.
I MEAN, FOR THE DESIGN THAT WE ARE PURPOSING NOW.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
SEEING NO, UH, FURTHER QUESTIONS, WE WILL NOW, UM, HAVE BOARD DISCLOSURES.
ARE THERE ANY DISCLOSURES, DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT? NO.
UM, SEEING NO BOARD DISCLOSURES, WE'LL OPEN IT TO PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, WE'LL START WITH PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE.
IF YOU WOULD HAVE A SEAT FOR A MOMENT AND THEN WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP TO RESPOND TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
HI, I'M ROGER BLA, MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE.
UH, PROBABLY NOT AS A SURPRISE.
UH, WE APPRECIATE THE, UH, FACT THAT THEY'RE CONTINUING THE ORIGINAL BUILDING AS THEY ARE.
UH, IT'S A HISTORIC FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WHILE WE COMMEND THE PROPERTY OWNER'S COMMITMENT TO PRESERVING THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, RATHER THAN DEMOLISHING IT, WE EXPRESS, UH, CONCERN, AS RAY HAS SAID, IT'S SCANDINAVIAN DESIGN IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IN MIAMI.
JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL.
UH, IT STANDS OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB.
IT ISN'T HIDDEN, UH, FROM STREET VIEW AT ALL.
UH, ONCE, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME MODERN HOMES IN, UH, FLAMINGO PARK NOW, LIKE ONE LAST MONTH.
AND IT, THEY, THEY AT LEAST RETAINED SOME OF THE CHARACTER.
IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO GO ALONG WITH THE BUILDING, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
I MEAN, 1936 HOUSE IS, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME.
SO, UH, WE, WE AGREE WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE'VE HEARD SO FAR THAT IT, IT JUST, IT DOESN'T FIT IN.
I HAVE LAW OFFICES AT 38 35 UTOPIA COURT IN COCONUT GROVE.
UM, AND I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING BRUCE CARTER, UM, WHO OWNS AND LIVES AT, UM, 1310 LENNOX, AND IT'S IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
UM, I'VE GOT TWO CONCERNS, UH, TODAY WITH THE POSTURE OF THIS APPLICATION, THIS APPLICATION CANNOT BE CONSIDERED AS A MODIFICATION OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD ORDER APPROVED ON MARCH 8TH, 2022.
I'M GONNA GO DOWN THE REASONS, UM, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT FAILED TO OBTAIN A FULL BUILDING PERMIT WITHIN THE REQUIRED 18 MONTHS FROM THAT DATE.
TWO, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT REQUESTED AN EXTENSION THAT IS ERRONEOUSLY BASED ON A JUNE 24TH TWO, 2021 GOVERNOR'S EMERGENCY ORDER, UH, ON DEALING WITH THE CHAMPLAIN TOWERS, UH, COLLAPSE.
UH, THAT DID NOT AUTHORIZE AN EXTENSION OF TIME FOR PERMITS AND OTHER AUTHORIZATIONS AS REQUIRED IN THE STATUTE.
THREE, BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR DID NOT INCLUDE IN HIS ORDER, FLORIDA STATUTE 2 52, 360 3, WHICH AUTHORIZES EXTENSIONS OF TIME FOR PERMITS AND AUTHORIZATIONS LIKE THE 2022, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD ORDER NUMBER FOUR, BECAUSE 25, UH, 2 2 5, 2 0.63, EXCUSE ME, 0.363 SPECIFICALLY APPLIES TO A NATURAL EMERGENCY.
AND THE 2021 EMERGENCY ORDER THAT THE APPLICANT RELIED ON BY THE GOVERNOR ADDRESSED THE CHAMPLAIN COLLAPSE.
AND BECAUSE FLORIDA STATUTE 2 52 34, PARAGRAPH EIGHT DEFINES A NATURAL EMERGENCY AS CAUSED BY A NATURAL EVENT, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, HURRICANE, STORM, FLOOD, SEVERE WAVE ACTION, DROUGHT, AND EARTHQUAKE, AND BE, AND SIX, BECAUSE THE COLLAPSE IS NOT A NATURAL EMERGENCY, THE APPLICANT CANNOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SECTION 2 52 0.3 63 TO EXTEND THE 2022 HPB ORDER.
FURTHERMORE, THE HPB ORDER IS NULL AND VOID PURSUANT TO CODE SECTION 2.13, 2D POINT D 0.1,
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UH, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT FAILED TO OBTAIN A FULL OR ANY OTHER KIND OF BUILDING PERMIT WITHIN 18 MONTHS OF THE, AFTER THE HPB ORDER WAS APPROVED, I CHECKED WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THE ONLY BUILDING PERMIT FOR THIS PROPERTY AFTER 2022 WAS ISSUED ON AUGUST 2ND, 2024.IT'S BR 2 4 0 9 597 ERRONEOUSLY BASED ON THE GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER.
MY CLIENT HAS SOME DOCUMENTS THAT, UM, DEAL WITH WHERE I GOT MY INFORMATION.
HOW, HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO YOU NEED? THREE MORE MINUTES.
I THINK THAT'S IT, BECAUSE I'VE, I'LL GIVE YOU, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU TWO, BUT WELL, I'VE GOT A DUE PROCESS ISSUE HERE BECAUSE I'VE GOTTA MAKE A PRESENTATION.
TRY TO JUST, 'CAUSE I HAVE TO GIVE EVERYBODY FIVE MINUTES.
UM, SO ON BEHALF OF MR. CARTER, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE BOARD DETERMINE THAT THE 2022 ORDER IS NULL AND VOID AND CONTINUE THE REMAINDER OF THE MATTER UNTIL A FUTURE MEETING.
THEREFORE, THE SECOND CONCERN CENTERS UPON THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY VARIANCE ACCORDING TO THE ZONING CODE.
IF THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY VARIANCE IS NOT PERMITTED AS LISTED ON SECTION 2.83 B, THE APPLICANT MUST MEET THE EIGHT, THE EIGHT CRITERIA FOR A HARDSHIP VARIANCE.
BUT SECTION 2.8 0.3 B HAS NO LIST OF CRITERIA FOR A, FOR A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY VARIANCE, IT'S BLANK EXCEPT FOR THE WORD RESERVE.
THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY IN THE CITY CODE OR THE RELATED SPECIAL ACTS, NOR IS THERE ANY DEFINITION OF FLORIDA STATUTES OR FLORIDA CASE LAW.
THIS PROVIDES NO GUIDANCE TO THE HPB WHEN IT DECIDES WHETHER TO APPROVE A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES VARIANCE.
THERE'S NO BASIS FOR ANY SUCH DECISION WITHOUT STANDARDS OR CRITERIA UNLESS BETWEEN THE TIME I LOOKED AT THE ZONING CODE THAT PROVISION HAS BEEN CHANGED.
AND, AND SO THIS LEAVES YOU WITH THE CRI WITH THE CRITERIA REQUIRED FOR THE HARDSHIP VARIANCE.
NONE OF THE PROPOSED VARIANCES MEET THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA.
I'M ONLY GONNA TALK ABOUT TWO.
THEY HAVE TO MEET EVERY SINGLE CRITERIA FOR A HARDSHIP VARIANCE.
THE APPLICANT DOESN'T MEET THE HARDSHIP REQUIREMENT AND CRITERIA FOR WHERE IT FAILED TO SHOW THAT EACH OF THE SETBACK, LOT SIZE AND REQUIRED SIDE YARD SETBACKS ARE COMMONLY ENJOYED BY THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT AND WHERE IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO USE THE LAND FOR THE PURPOSE OR THE MANNER IN WHICH IT IS ZONED.
YEAH, YOU GET YOUR THREE MINUTES.
SORRY, I'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH THESE.
UH, NONE OF THE VARIANCES ARE THE MINIMUM VARIANCES THAT WOULD ALLOW THE REASONABLE USE OF LAND BUILDING OR STRUCTURE AS REQUIRED IN CRITERIA FIVE, WHERE FLORIDA CASE LAW HOLDS THAT AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT CAN DEVELOP OR BUILD OR USE OR USE THE LAND, BUILDING A STRUCTURE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE, THE APPLICANT HAS NO NEED FOR A VARIANCE AND HE CLAIM THAT.
THE, THE, THE VARIANCES ARE BASED ON, UH, NOT NECESSITY, BUT THE APPLICANT'S CHOICE TO BUILD A PARTICULAR DESIGN.
THE CODE AND CASE LAW ARE CLEAR.
IF YOU CAN BUILD A CODE COMPLIANT PROJECT, EVEN A SMALLER ONE, YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO A VARIANCE.
HERE, THE APPLICANT CAN BUILD A CODE COMPLIANT PROJECT ON ITS PROPERTY WITHOUT THE NEED OF A VARIANCE.
THEREFORE, THE VARIANCE REQUEST SHOULD BE DENIED.
FINALLY, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL AND PRESENTATION FAIL TO PRESENT ANY COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT IT MEETS THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
IT DOESN'T MEET STANDARD NINE OF THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS WHERE THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE SITE IS NOT COMPATIBLE.
I'M JUST ABOUT DONE IF I COULD.
WHERE THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE SITE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE MASSING AND SCALE OF ITS NEIGHBOR.
THE APPLICANT AND STAFF REPORT HAVE NOT SHOWN CONSISTENCY REGARDING AESTHETICS, APPEARANCE, PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES OF THE PROJECT IN RELATION TO THE SITE ADJACENT STRUCTURES AND PROPERTIES, AND THE SURROUNDING C COMMUNITY AS REQUIRED.
IN CRITERION FOUR, THE PROPOSED LAYOUT AND DESIGN OF THE SITE, GIVEN THE VARIANCE REQUEST, OVERBUILDS THE LOT AND PAYS LITTLE, IF ANY, ATTENTION TO ITS NEIGHBOR'S CONTRARY TO CRITERIA FIVE.
FOR ALL THESE REASONS, I URGE YOU TO DENY THE APPLICATION AND DIRECT THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK WITH A PROJECT THAT BETTER FITS IN WITH THE UNIQUE SINGLE WITHIN THIS UNIQUE SINGLE FAMILY HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
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MORE PUBLIC, UM, DISCLOSURE, PUBLIC HEARING? MY NAME IS DANIEL HILDEBRAND.I LIVE AT 1 3 20 OX AVENUE, ONE HOUSE.
APART FROM THIS NEW PROJECT, I'M A DEVELOPER MYSELF AND A LOT OF NEW MODERN BUILDINGS, BUT NOT IN THE LAST REMAINING POCKET OF PROTECTED HISTORIC ACO BUILDINGS.
I BOUGHT MY 1935 ACO HOUSE OVER 10 YEARS AGO AND SPENT A LOT OF TIME, EFFORT, AND MONEY TO RESTORE IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL LOOKS.
THE ACO BUILDINGS IN IS WHAT MAKES SOUTH SPEED SO POPULAR AROUND THE WORLD.
THE NEW, THIS NEW BUILDING IS AN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING HOUSE.
IT'S ON A SEVEN FOOT RISE, HAS TWO STORIES AND AN A SHAPED ROOF TOTALING ABOUT 40 TO EVEN MAYBE 50 FEET IN HEIGHT.
THIS IS ABOUT THE FOUR STORY BUILDING.
A HUGE CONCRETE WALL AT THE FULL LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY.
THE FIRST THING YOU ARE GOING TO SEE WHEN YOU ENTER 13TH STREET AND LENOX CIRCLE IS A FOUR STORY SHOEBOX, AND IT'S A SCANDINAVIAN MODERN DESIGN.
IT HAS WOODEN SIDING LIKE A BARN.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A WOODEN ORCO BUILDING.
ALL OF SOUTH BEACH DOESN'T HAVE A WOODEN BUILDING.
APPARENTLY ALL SORTS OF SETBACKS NEED TO BE WAIVED, AND THE EXISTING BUILDING GETS A NEW LOOK AND NEW GARAGES BUILT ALMOST TO THE SIDEWALK.
VERY DANGEROUS IF A CAR IS, IS THERE AND THERE IS NO DRIVEWAY.
IF YOU APPROVE THIS PROJECT IN THIS FORMS, YOU'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT.
THIS IS A DEVELOPER WHO WANTS TO MAXIMIZE HIS PROFIT BY SQUEEZING AS MUCH SQUARE FEET OUT OF THAT LOT WITH ANY, WITHOUT ANY CONSIDERATION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF YOU LET THIS HAPPEN, THE HISTORIC PROTECTION MEANS NOTHING, AND EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BUILD, SET SOMETHING SIMILAR.
I CASH OUT AND MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SINCE I DON'T WANT TO LIVE BETWEEN FOUR STORY CONCRETE WALLS.
PLEASE DO NOT APPROVE THIS PROJECT IN THIS FORM AND JOIN OUR LAST REMAINING STORY, SOUTH BEACH NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PERMIT HAS BEEN EXPIRED AND HAS NOT BEEN RENEWED.
HI, MY NAME'S BRUCE CARTER AND I DO LIVE NEXT DOOR.
AND I'M THE PERSON WHO'S PROBABLY MOST AFFECTED BY THIS PROJECT.
UM, I BELIEVE BREVITY IS THE WAIT TO, TO GET A POINT OF CALL.
SO I'LL BE VERY SHORTENED TO THE POINT I THINK THE POINTS HAVE BEEN MADE.
I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY CLEAR THAT THIS BUILDING IS COMPLETELY OUT OF, UH, OUT OF WHACK FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT A 45 LOOKING IN MY PROPERTY, IN MY POOL.
I WILL SEE A 45 FOOT CONCRETE WALL THAT IS FIVE FEET AWAY FROM ME.
AND NORMALLY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'M PRETTY OPEN TO RESILIENCY TO BUILDING.
BUT I ASK YOU, WHAT KIND OF PLANT CAN I PLANT BETWEEN MY HOUSE AND A 40 FOOT WALL THAT I COULD LANDSCAPE THIS AWAY? THERE IS NO ESCAPING SOMETHING OF THE SCALE TO MY NEIGHBOR'S POINT.
IT'S SO BIG, IT WILL ACTUALLY CAST A SHADOW NOT ACROSS MY ENTIRE PROPERTY AND ONTO HIS PROPERTY.
AND HE'S AN ENTIRE HOUSE AWAY.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF SCALE.
AND, UM, I'M, I'M BELABORING A POINT AT THIS POINT, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE THAT THIS IS COMPLETELY OUTTA SCALE.
AND I AS HUMBLY AS PEOPLE WHO KNOW SO MUCH MORE ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION, THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS AGAIN, I SOLD MY HOUSE ON THE WATER IN SUNSET ISLAND TO MOVE TO A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I BELIEVED IN.
AND BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN A HISTORIC WAY, AND THAT'S NO SMALL THING, RIGHT? I DECIDED TO LEAVE A VERY BEAUTIFUL HOME AND INVEST MY TIME AND ENERGY AND A PLACE THAT I KNEW WOULD BE HISTORIC AND BUCOLIC.
I WILL, WE WILL LEAD WITH THESE WORDS.
ON THE APPLICANT'S APPLICATION.
THE FIRST THING THEY SAY IN HISTORIC IS THE WELCOMING, THE FLAMING OF A HEART NEIGHBORHOOD IS BUCOLIC AND DYNAMIC.
THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S WORDS, BECAUSE ALL STRUCTURES ARE SET SO FAR AWAY FROM THE STREET, NOT MY WORDS, IT'S THEIRS.
NOW WE HAVE A FOUR STORY STRUCTURE, FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE STREET ON LENNOX AVENUE.
I HUMBLY ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN NOT ALLOWING THIS ADDITION TO HAPPEN.
HI, I'M, I'M THE, UH, MY NAME'S JOHN ROSENBLATT.
I'M THE OWNER OF THIS, UH, THIS PROPERTY.
I'VE BEEN DOING HISTORIC RENOVATION SINCE 1986, SINCE THE HISTORIC REHABILITATION ACT THAT, UH, WAS PASSED AT THAT POINT.
AT THAT POINT I WAS IN PROVIDENCE, RHODE ISLAND.
UH, I AM A LITTLE TAKEN ABACK BECAUSE THERE IS NO CONCRETE WALL.
THEY APPEAR TO BE THINKING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS STRUCTURE THAT WAS APPROVED BY
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THIS BOARD.UH, IT'S A, IT'S A SMALL BUN BELOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY GOT THE IDEA OF FOUR STORIES.
I, I, THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE STRUCTURE THAT I'M PLANNING TO BUILD IT.
IT'S COMPLETELY FITTING WITH THE NOTION.
THIS IS NOT AN ART DECO DISTRICT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE GOT THAT IDEA.
THIS IS A MEDITERRANEAN, MEDITERRANEAN STYLE HOUSING AREA.
ALMOST PREDOMINANTLY THE STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE THAT WE ARE JUST RENOVATING, WE'RE NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING TO THE MAIN BUILDING.
THAT'S A MEDITERRANEAN STYLE BUILDING, NOT OUR DECO.
UH, THE ONLY THING WE'RE ADDING IS A, A SMALL TWO CAR GARAGE, WHICH IS EXACTLY THE SAME STYLE AND STRUCTURE AS THE GARAGE AND THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET.
FURTHERMORE, THIS STRUCTURE IN THE BACK WILL BE COMPLETELY SHROUDED BY HEDGES.
AS YOU, IF YOU GO THERE, YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THAT STRUCTURE.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THERE IS NO SHADOW BEING CAST.
THIS IS A, THIS BOARD HAS ALREADY APPROVED A BRUTALIST STYLE BUILDING, A CONCRETE BUILDING.
MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I AM GOING TO THE EFFORT TO REDO THE ORIGINAL APPROVED STRUCTURE.
'CAUSE I DIDN'T THINK THAT IT FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS STRUCTURE IS SIMILAR TO OTHER BUNGALOW BUILDINGS IN MIAMI BEACH, WHICH MAKES COMPLETE SENSE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
A, AS FAR AS EXTENSIONS, WE WERE APPROVED BY HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
ALL THE, THE LEGAL ISSUES WERE RESOLVED.
WE, WE, WE, WE DID GET AN EXTENSION AS PER THE, THE, UH, GOVERNOR'S ORDER.
AND EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE, WE'VE DONE WITH THE APPROVAL OF, OR APPROVAL ALMOST EVERYTHING, APPROVAL OF THE HISTORIC RESERVATION.
UH, PEOPLE HERE, I MEAN, THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS TO CREATE A PROBLEM, UH, A AN EYESORE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I, UM, YEAH, IF, IF THERE, IF WE'RE FINISHED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, ARE YOU TAKE OFF THE BOTTOM.
'CAUSE WE'RE JUST FINISHING PUB.
WE'LL FINISH PUBLIC COMMENT IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE SPEAKING, ANYBODY ON, ANYBODY ONLINE, DEBBIE.
SO, UM, IF THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN, UH, YOUR TEAM CAN RESPOND.
UH, MY NAME IS RICARDO DE LAVEGA.
I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR THE COTTAGE.
UH, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM WHAT JOHN JUST SAID.
UH, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED AS TO WHY THEY THINK THAT WE'RE BUILDING A FOUR STORY CONCRETE, UH, WALL.
THE FOOTPRINT AND HEIGHT OF THE COTTAGE IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED.
THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL WAS A FLAT ROOF BOX.
IT DID VERY MUCH LOOK LIKE A CONCRETE BUNKER.
IT DID VERY MUCH LOOK LIKE IT HAD THREE, FOUR STORY HEIGHT.
THE REASON THAT I DID A PITCH ROOF, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY TO REDUCE THE BULK AND SCALE OF THE PREVIOUS DESIGN, WHICH I THINK IS ALSO MORE IN KEEPING WITH A TYPICAL PITCH ROOF, UH, OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS CONTEMPORARY IN NATURE QUITE CONSCIOUSLY.
SO, BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE A CONTRAST, IN MY OPINION, TO THE EXISTING, UH, HOUSE.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
UH, IN TERMS OF THE MATERIALITY, YES, IT'S ALSO CONTEMPORARY, BUT AGAIN, IT IT, YOU, YOU CAN'T MIMIC THE EXISTING OR THE PAST.
SO, SO THAT I, I TOOK A VERY CLEAR VIEW ON THAT, BUT I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME FOOTPRINT AND HEIGHT OF THE ORIGINAL TWO STORY BUILDING, BUT IT'S A PITCHED ROOF AS OPPOSED TO FLAT.
THEREFORE IT LOOKS MUCH LOWER IN SCALE, IN BULK AND, AND MESSY AS WELL.
BUT IT IS NOT A 40 FOOT HEIGHT CONCRETE WALL, AND IT IS NOT FOUR STORY HEIGHT.
UH, ANY FURTHER REBUTTAL FROM THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, UM, SORRY, JUST ONE MORE GO.
PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE.
UH, IT'S NOT TOO CLOSE TO THE STREET, ET CETERA.
IT IS WHOLLY WITHIN THE CODE, AGAIN, WHAT WAS APPROVED, BUT IT IS TO THE COAST.
ALL THE SETBACKS AND HIGHS ARE TO THE CODE.
SO THIS NOTION THAT WE'RE BUILDING SOMETHING, UH, YOU KNOW, TOTALLY
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OUTTA CONTEXT AND TOO CLOSE TO THE STREET, THE GARAGE IS IDENTICAL TO ONE ACROSS THE ROAD.IT WORKS IN TERMS OF, UH, YEAH, UH, THE, THE TURNING CIRCLES AND BLIND SPOTS, ET CETERA.
SO I, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT IS WITHIN THE EXISTING CODES.
UH, WITH THAT, I THINK WE WILL, UM, CLOSE THE, UM, APPLICANT REBUTTAL AND, UM, OPEN IT TO BOARD MEMBER COMMENT.
SO WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO, UM, AND THIS WOULD NOT BE COMMENTS TO THE APPLICANT, BUT JUST KIND OF AMONG US, OR IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR DEBBIE OR WHATEVER, THEN THIS IS THE TIME IN, IN MY OPINION, WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, THE ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE LOOKED LIKE IT SHOULD BE ON A LAKE
UH, IT'S WOOD STRUCTURE, YOU'RE GONNA FEED THE TERMITES.
I MEAN, IT JUST, IT DOESN'T FIT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL, IN MY OPINION.
UH, AND, UH, AND NO ONE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO CHANGE MY OPINION ON THAT.
UH, I JUST DON'T THINK IT, IT WORKS.
AND, UH, THE ADDITIONAL VARIANCES, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE JUST KEEP NICK NICKEL AND DIMMING THE VARIANCES IN, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE OTHER OWNERS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED AS A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IN MY OPINION, WILL, WILL JUST STAND OUT AND IS SOMETHING I PERSONALLY COULD NOT VOTE FOR ANYBODY.
UM, HASKELL, DEBBIE, HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, AS FAR AS I KNOW, BY DEFINITION, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME HAS ONE KITCHEN.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S HOW YOU DEFINE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME? CORRECT.
ONE, ONE FULL COOKING KITCHEN.
THERE ARE PROVISIONS WITH A RESTRICTED COVENANT TO HAVE TWO KITCHENS.
SO THE, THE WE DO PERMIT, IN INSTANCE, IN CERTAIN INSTANCES, TWO KITCHENS WITH, UH, A REQUIREMENT FOR A RESTRICTED COVENANT ADVISING, UM, THAT THEY WILL NOT RENT IT OUT SEPARATELY AS A SEPARATE UNIT, THAT IT WOULD BE ONE HOME.
AND THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A REGULAR, REGULAR, IT IS RELATIVELY COMMON, UM, SITUATION, UM, THAT PEOPLE WANT TWO KITCHENS AND THEY SUBMIT THE RESTRICTED COVENANT THAT'S RECORDED.
AND IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, IT'S NOT JUST THAT THE, THAT, THAT NO PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE RENTED SEPARATELY.
IT'S ALSO THAT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY WILL REMAIN AS ONE RESIDENTIAL UNIT, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO ENFORCEMENT OF THAT IN TERMS OF RENTALS, UH, FUTURE RENTALS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IN OTHER WORDS, HOW ARE WE TO KNOW THAT THE OWNER, FUTURE OWNER IS NOT GONNA RENT THAT SECONDARY STRUCTURE OUT? UM, DEBBIE, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW IF IN THIS DISTRICT, WOULD AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT BE PERMITTED? NO.
WELL, REGARDLESS, I DON'T THINK THIS, THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN DESIGNED IN A MANNER, UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR, UH, A PORTION OF IT TO BE RENTED SEPARATELY.
THE THE REASON I ASK IS THE PLAN SHOWS A KITCHEN ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE, YOU KNOW, AND THE NEW STRUCTURE.
AND, AND THE PURPOSE OF THE COVENANT WOULD BE TO ENSURE THAT NO PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS, IS, UM, IS, IS USED AS A SEPARATE RESIDENTIAL UNIT.
WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE THAT COVENANT IF A VIOLATION AROSE IN THE FUTURE.
WELL, UM, YOU'RE ASKING US TO VOTE ON A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING.
SO, UM, PARAGRAPH NUMBER TWO, UH, STATES THAT THE GENERAL DESIGN SCALE MASK AND ARRANGEMENT, I DON'T THINK IS SATISFIED.
FIRST ONE, THE RELATIONSHIP WITH SUBSCRIBERS, A, B, C ABOVE OTHER STRUCTURES AND FEATURES OF THE DISTRICT.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT DOES TEXTURE AND MATERIAL OF THE ADDITION DOES NOT.
THEREFORE, I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
RANDY, DID YOU WANNA GO NEXT? ARE, ARE YOU FINISHED? YOU'LL OKAY.
SORRY LINDSAY, YOU WANTED TO GO? NO, I'M LATE.
THE PERSPECTIVE VIEW OF THE EXISTING HOME WITH THE NEW WINDOW PATTERN.
I, IT APPEARS IT HAS COMPLETELY CHANGED THE CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENT DESIGN OF THIS HOUSE.
I, I DON'T EVEN SEE THE HOUSE ANYMORE.
UM, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE A BRAND NEW HOUSE WITH A, A EXISTING ROOF.
UM, I WASN'T HERE FOR THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL OF THE BRUTALIST DESIGN, WHICH I BELIEVE IS IN OUR PACKET AT THE END.
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WHICH TO ME IS ALSO A LITTLE OUT OF CONTEXT WITH THAT PROPERTY.I DROVE AROUND LAST NIGHT THREE TIMES AROUND THE BLOCK TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES, WHAT THE CHARACTER WAS.
I HAVE TO AGREE, THIS DOESN'T, THE, THE ADDITION BEING PROPOSED HAS ABSOLUTELY NO RELEVANCE TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHATSOEVER.
UM, I DON'T CALL IT SCANDINAVIAN.
I DON'T, I, I, I GUESS A GUT REACTION IS IT APPEARS SCANDINAVIAN, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER PRESIDENT IN MIAMI BEACH IS FOR THIS STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ONE.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN ONE LIKE THIS.
UM, NOT THAT NEW ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN CANNOT BE INCORPORATED, AND I REALLY LIKE MODERN ARCHITECTURE, BUT THIS SEEMS TO BE JUST TOTALLY CONTRARY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE SCALE.
A LOT OF THE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE TWO STORY PORTIONS, BUT THEY'RE PART OF A ONE STORY.
THIS IS A TWO STORY HOUSE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN SUBDIVIDED ON A PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE BUILDING, THE SECOND HOUSE
I MEAN THAT BASICALLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
I, I I WOULDN'T SUPPORT IT EITHER.
MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE RENDERERS YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE THE FINAL RENDERS.
I I, WE HAVE, WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE IN THE PACKET, WHAT YOU SUBMITTED.
UM, SO LINDSAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, SO I, YOU KNOW, UM, I DID SOME LOOKING INTO THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T AWARE OF THE CHALLENGE COMING BEFORE US, AND, AND NOT THAT THAT NECESSARILY MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO MOST PEOPLE SITTING UP HERE, BUT I WANTED TO LOOK INTO THAT.
SO, UM, IF WITH THE CHAIR'S PERMISSION, I'LL ALLOW THEM TO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE BOTH THE APPLICANT AND THE, THE PERSON WHO THE ENTITY IS CHALLENGING IT, UM, ACQUIRED THEIR RESPECTIVE PROPERTIES IN 2024.
SO THIS IS RECENT, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, UM, BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO GET A FEELING FOR, WAS THIS SOMEONE WHO WAS HERE AND OWNED THIS, THIS NEIGHBORING CHALLENGING PROPERTY AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WAS APPROVED, ET CETERA.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT.
UM, AND THEN I, I ALSO TOOK ISSUE, UM, WITH A STATEMENT, UM, THAT EVERYTHING WAS TO CODE.
BECAUSE IF, IN MY MIND, IF IT'S TO CODE, THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE SEEKING A VARIANCE TO THE CODE, RIGHT? THE CODE DICTATES THE LOT COVERAGE, UM, AND THE LANDSCAPING REQUIRED.
AND IF THEY WERE WITHIN THAT, THEY WOULDN'T NEED A VARIANCE HERE.
UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK, UM, THAT THE STRUCTURE THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, PROPOSING IS BEAUTIFUL.
I ALSO TEND TO AGREE THAT IT DOESN'T FIT WITHIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WITH MY, YOU KNOW, WITH MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS.
DID I RESPOND FOR A SECOND ON THE APPLICATION? JUST, JUST WAIT, UM, PLEASE TO RESPOND UNTIL WE'VE HAD A CHANCE FOR THE, THE BOARD AND THEN, AND THEN OF COURSE, IF THERE'S INFORMATION THAT HASN'T BEEN PRESENTED, UM, LIKE WITH THE, ARE THEY, IS THAT EVEN A POSSIBILITY OR? I, I THINK THE, THE PRESENTATION'S BEEN MADE.
UM, I THINK WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE APPLICANT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT REBUTTAL IF PERFECT.
UM, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE BOARD TO DELIBERATE, UH, ASK ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS AND, AND TAKE A VOTE.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IS THE FACT THAT DID THIS REQUIRE A NEW APPLICATION? I MEAN, WE, WELL, I THOUGHT, ONE, I THOUGHT SOMEONE WAS GONNA ASK, ASK DEBBIE ABOUT THAT, THAT COMPONENT.
WERE YOU FINISHED WITH? I, I WASN'T, AND WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS THAT, UM, I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND OPINE AGAIN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS CHALLENGE UNTIL IT SHOWED UP TODAY.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH THAT, I KNOW WE HAVE EMAILS FROM MR. GIBBS HERE FROM, LOOKS LIKE YESTERDAY OR THE LAST COUPLE DAYS.
SO, I MEAN, RELATIVELY RECENT.
UM, SO I DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING, I, I KNOW MR. GIBBS FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE OF MAKING HIS PRESENTATION LISTED OFF A BUNCH OF CODE PROVISIONS AND REASONINGS WHY, AND HE MADE HIS ARGUMENT.
UM, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK INTO THAT MYSELF.
UM, I, I DID ASK OFFLINE, UM, TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE IS NO BUILDING PERMIT EXISTING FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
UM, SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE EVERYONE PURCHASED INTO THIS, WHAT EXISTED AT THAT TIME.
UM, FOR MY PURPOSES, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CHALLENGE MAKES A DIFFERENT OR DIFFERENCE OR NOT, OTHER THAN, UM, I WOULD WONDER IF THE CHALLENGER AND THE APPLICANT COULD GET TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AMENABLE TO BOTH PARTIES, THAT PERHAPS THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO RESOLVE IT AND PRESENT SOMETHING AND RESOLVE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE BOARD HAS ADDRESSED TODAY.
WHETHER THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME BACK BEFORE US, WHETHER THAT IS A CONTINUATION OR WHETHER THAT IS A, UH, WITH, UH, SEEKING MODIFICATIONS TO A CURRENTLY
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APPROVED ORDER BASED UPON WHATEVER THE STATUS IS OR WHETHER THAT IS, UM, MAKING A, A NEW FULL APPLICATION TO THE BOARD.UM, BUT THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THAT ISSUE.
AND IF WE WANNA DIRECT OTHER QUESTIONS TO STAFF, I'M, YEAH, I WANTED TO REALLY KIND OF GET A CLARIFICATION ON, UM, THE, UM, WHAT, UM, WHAT WAS KIND OF IMPLIED, WHAT MR. GIBBS IMPLIED ABOUT THE, UM, JUST NOT BEING ABLE TO BE CONSIDERED AS AN EXTENSION.
UM, THE, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY VARIANCE, UH, THE PRACTICAL, THE DEFINITION, UH, THE GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY.
CAN YOU GIVE US SOME HELP, UH, THINKING ABOUT THAT? SURE.
THE, THE ISSUE OF, OF, UM, OF, OF TOLLING AND EXTENSIONS OF DEVELOPMENT ORDERS, UM, IS, IS, IS GOVERNED BY STATE STATUTE, AND IT'S HANDLED AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL.
SO, UM, PURSUANT TO A DECLARATION, A STATEWIDE DECLARATION OF EMERGENCY OR A STATE DECLARATION OF EMERGENCY FOR SPECIFIC COUNTIES, UM, DEVELOPMENT ORDERS, INCLUDING ORDERS OF THIS BOARD ARE AUTOMATICALLY TOLD AND EXTENDED FOR A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME DEFINED IN THE STATUTE.
UM, THAT THAT'S HANDLED AT THE STAFF LEVEL.
THERE'S, UH, THERE'S REALLY NO ROLE FOR THE, FOR THE BOARD TO PLAY IN THAT MATTER.
UM, AS TO THE, AS TO THE VARIANCE, UH, THAT IS SQUARELY WITHIN YOUR AUTHORITY, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S UP TO THE BOARD TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE APPLICANT HAS DEMONSTRATED, UH, THAT THEY MEET EITHER THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES OR THE UNDO HARDSHIP STANDARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE THAT DECISION BASED ON THE, THE EVIDENCE BEFORE YOU.
AND THAT INCLUDES SUBMISSIONS BY THE, BY THE APPLICANT.
IT INCLUDES TESTIMONY, UH, IT INCLUDES, UH, THE, THE TESTIMONY AND WRITTEN ANALYSIS OF YOUR, OF YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF.
UM, BUT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT IS, THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD.
UM, AND IF YOU DO FIND THAT, THAT THERE ARE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES OR AN UNDUE HARDSHIP THAT, THAT SUPPORTS THE GRANTING OF A VARIANCE, UM, THEN YOU ARE, YOU CAN ONLY APPROVE IT ON A, ON AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF, OF FIVE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, CORRECT? WELL, I WAS, UM, I WAS KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THIS, UH, GOING IN, IN THE WAY THAT LINDSEY WAS TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE CLEARLY THERE ARE CHALLENGES BETWEEN, UM, THE NEIGHBORS.
I, I AG I AGREE THAT THE, UM, HIS, THAT THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS WINDOWS SHOULD NOT BE CHANGED SO THAT THERE'S GREATER TRANSPARENCY OUT TO THE POOL.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S, UH, UP TO THE EAST SIDE.
I ALSO THINK THAT THE, UM, THAT THE WAY THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STRUCTURE IS THE ADDITION IS LAID OUT AND KIND OF, ITS, ITS HEIGHT AND ITS, UM, KIND OF CONNECTION TO THE HOUSE AND, BUT ALSO ITS CONNECTION TO ITS NEIGHBORS NEED TO BE, NEED, NEEDS TO BE REWORKED.
UM, AND I, I DON'T, I MEAN, I WILL RESERVE JUDGMENT TO THIS BOARD, BUT I KNOW WE'RE A SHORT BOARD AND WE WOULD NEED EVERY PERSON ON THE BOARD TO BE, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THIS IN ORDER FOR IT TO PASS WITH THE VARIANCES.
AND IT, IT DOESN'T SOUND TO ME LIKE WE HAVE THAT.
UM, SO OUR OPTIONS WOULD BE TO, UM, SEE IF WE HAVE MAYBE TAKE A STRAW POLL TO SEE IF WE CAN, UH, TO SEE IF WE CAN, UM, UH, HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, PROPOSE A CONTINUANCE OF THIS, UM, FOR THE PARTIES TO COME BACK TO US TO KIND OF CON CONVERSE WITH EACH OTHER AND TO SEE IF THEY CAN POSSIBLY COME TO AN AGREEMENT ABOUT WHAT THIS, UM, WHAT THIS, UH, STRUCTURE SHOULD, SHOULD BE.
IS THAT, UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT WE COULD DO? AND LET ME, CAN WE DO A STRAW POLL, UM, ANYBODY IN FAVOR OF, OF A CONTINUANCE? AND WE'D MAKE IT, I THINK TO A, A TIME CERTAIN YEAH, EXACTLY.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, A FEW MONTHS SO THAT WE CAN, MAYBE THE JULY MEETING OR SOMETHING.
SO THERE'S TIME FOR THERE TO BE A CUSHION, TO BE AN, FOR THERE, TO BE AN AGREEMENT, AND THEN FOR THE APPLICANT, FOR THE ARCHITECT TO, UM, MAKE WHATEVER, WHATEVER, UM, CHANGES THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.
UM, WOULD ANYBODY AGREE TO THAT? I, SO I WOULD, I WOULD SUPPORT A CONTINUANCE.
I MEAN, AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES HERE OBVIOUSLY WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
UM, AND GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THE INCLINATION OF THE SPORT, IT SEEMS TO NOT SUPPORT THE, UH, MODIFICATIONS
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TO THE APPLICATION AS, UH, REQUESTED.UM, THAT WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAY I, THROUGH THE CHAIR, IF I COULD ASK THE APPLICANT HOW MANY MONTHS BE, WOULD, WOULD BE WORKABLE, I MEAN, IS ARE, IS TWO MONTHS ENOUGH OR DO THEY NEED THREE, WHICH WOULD REALLY BE FOUR? 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN AUGUST MEETING.
WE DON'T HAVE AN AUGUST MEETING.
SO I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF A STRAW POLL, YOU KNOW, AND THEN ASK, LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST TAKE A STRAW POLL TO SEE IF THE BOARD WANTS TO GO IN THIS DIRECTION.
THEN WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU GUYS.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE IT, I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO BE VERY CLEAR, THE AUXILIARY BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO BE MAJORLY CHANGED TO EVER GET A YES VOTE OUT OF ME.
YEAH, THIS IS A, A STRAW POLL ON CONTINUOUS.
WE HAVE A, SO PLEASE, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE TIME YOU NEED OR, UM, OKAY.
UM, MY QUESTION IS REGARDING THE, UH, MAIN HOUSE BECAUSE, UM, I KNOW THAT THE, UM, ISSUE OR THE BIG ISSUE HERE IS THE ACCESSORY BUILDING, BUT UM, ALSO ON THE MAIN HOUSE WE ARE, UM, ASKING TO NOT TO RAISE THE HOUSE AS ORIGINALLY WAS APPROVED.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DIVIDE THOSE TWO, UH, PROJECTS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION, WITH THE REMODELING BECAUSE WE ARE, WE ARE AT THIS MOMENT, LIKE STOPPED.
SO WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING FOR FEW MONTHS.
BUT THEN I NEED TO KNOW LIKE, WHAT'S THE DECISION ON THE HOUSE? YOU HAD A QUESTION.
SO ONE IS A PROCEDURAL QUESTION, WHICH IS WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD BIFURCATE IN THAT WAY.
THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST QUESTION YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER YET.
AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO SOME OF THE FEEDBACK I BELIEVE RELATED TO THE WINDOWS ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, AND EARLIER YOU SAID THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE A CHANGE THAT YOU'D BE WILLING TO MAKE MM-HMM
AND SO, I MEAN, AND THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A STICKING POINT AS WELL.
SO I THINK IF WE'RE CONTINUING THIS, WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE FEELING NOW IN TERMS OF THOSE WINDOWS, I THINK THERE'S, YEAH, UM, I CAN, I CAN GO BACK WITH THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL ON THE WINDOWS.
UH, THE ONLY THING THAT, UH, WE ARE NOT PLANNING TO GO BACK IS WITH RAISING THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURE.
BECAUSE OF THE INCREMENT OF ESCAP OF WORK.
THE OTHER ONES FOR NOW, WE CAN GO BACK AND THEN WE CAN TAKE THAT LATER.
AND ABOUT THE BIFURCATING, THE PROJECT? YEAH, SO I THINK THE BOARD DOES HAVE SOME OPTIONS HERE.
UM, WE COULD APPROVE THE CHANGES SUBJECT TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE HISTORICAL HOME AND BRING BACK THE, THE DESIGN OF THE NEW EDITION.
YOU COULD DENY THE DESIGN OF THE NEW EDITION AND REVERT BACK TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED EDITION, WHICH IS IN YOUR PACKAGE.
UM, AND JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE HISTORICAL HOME, THE PREVIOUS DESIGN THAT WAS APPROVED, THE PREVIOUS VARIANCES THAT WERE APPROVED, NOT THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE VARIANCES.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE I THINK, ANOTHER OPTION, OR YOU COULD CONTINUE THE ENTIRE APPLICATION TO BRING BACK.
BUT I, I DO WANNA POINT OUT THIS STRUCTURE HAS BEEN VACANT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
IT, IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING IN THIS PORTION OF FLAMINGO PARK, UM, SOMEWHAT OF A TREND OF VACANT BUILDINGS THAT ARE CAUSING, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERN MM-HMM
UM, SO STAFF WOULD SUPPORT CERTAINLY MOVING FORWARD WITH RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING HOME, UM, AS, AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
DO WE NEED TO TAKE A STRAW POLL ON THAT OR? I, I, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY IT A LITTLE BIT JUST TO SEE IF WE COULD PUT A FINER POINT ON THAT, WHICH IS, COULD WE APPROVE THE, UM, APPROVE THE EXISTING HOME WITH THE WINDOWS, UM, WITH THE WINDOWS BEING AS THEY ARE NOW, RATHER THAN AS THEY'RE PROPOSED TO BE, AND, UM, DENY THE, THE, UH, THE, THE ADDITIONAL, UH, STRUCTURE AND, AND THEN THAT WOULD COME BACK TO US.
IT WOULD BE BASICALLY A DENIAL OF THE MODIFIED DESIGN AND THE, THE ADDITIONAL VARIANCES REQUESTED.
SO IF WE DENIED THE PROPOSED DESIGN, THEY WOULD STILL, BUT WE WOULD NOT BE APPROVING THE, WOULD WE BE APPROVED, WOULD THE APPROVAL FOR THE PRIOR CONCRETE DESIGN STILL REMAIN? YEAH, THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED.
I, I, SUBJECT TO ARGUMENTS SUBJECT
UM, I, UH, SO I, I'M IN, I'M INCLINED TO DO WHATEVER I CAN TO HELP YOU TO CON WORK ON THE EXISTING HOUSE.
I JUST THINK THE, UM, THE ADDITION, THE PROPOSED ADDITION NEEDS TO BE, NEEDS TO BE RE-LOOKED AT WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS IN MIND AND THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE CONVERSATION THERE.
SO I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T, UM, I WOULD IF WE DID.
SO IF WE, OUR TWO CHOICES ARE TO DENY THE CURRENT,
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UM, PROPOSAL AND THEREFORE THEY ARE RE THEY HAVE THE EXISTING APPROVED PROPOSAL REMAINING.UM, AND THAT CAN'T BE, AND THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND THEY CAN GO FOR PERMITS ON THAT.
THE ONLY WAY WE COULD ENCOURAGE THE FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH THE NEIGHBORS WOULD BE ABOUT IT WOULD BE TO DO WHAT IN YOUR WOULD BE A CONTINUANCE A CONTINUANCE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEM TO ALLOW YOU GUYS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, BUT OBVIOUSLY WITH THE CONVERSATION WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS.
DID I SAY SOMETHING QUESTION? UM, I ALLOWED TO SAY SOMETHING? YEAH.
UM, YOU HAD A QUESTION SHE JUST ASKED FIRST AND THEN I'LL, SORRY, I, I, SO I THINK I MISUNDERSTOOD BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT WE COULD APPROVE THE MODIFICATIONS AS TO THE EXISTING HOUSE.
BUT THEN THAT WOULD BE A, A DENIAL OF EVERYTHING ELSE, AND THEY COULD THEN COME BACK WITH A LATER MODIFICATION APPLICATION TO ADDRESS THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
THE CHAIR, THE CHAIR ASKED WHAT WOULD BE THE MECHANISM TO ENCOURAGE FURTHER CONVERSATION? AND THAT WOULD BE EITHER A, A CONTINUANCE OF THE WHOLE THING OR APPROVAL OF THE MODIFICATIONS TO, TO THE MAIN HOME, UH, AND A CONTINUANCE OF THE, OF THE REST.
CAN WE CONTINUE A PORTION OF AN APPLICATION? YEAH, THAT'S, YES.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE QUESTION.
SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE SUGGESTING CONTINUING THE WHOLE THING.
NO, I DIDN'T REALLY WANNA CONTINUE THE WHOLE THING 'CAUSE I WANT THESE GUYS TO START WORKING ON THIS.
AND YOU, I'M SORRY YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO SAY? NO, I, I THINK WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD WITH THE ORIGINAL, UH, APPROVED, UH, BUILDING.
SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS THIS ANY FURTHER.
WE'RE JUST GONNA FILE A PERMIT FOR THE APPROVED STRUCTURE.
THE ONLY THING IS, IS IS THAT ORIGINAL, UH, IS THAT ORIGINAL PROPOSAL STILL VALID BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T APPLY FOR A PERMIT WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP TO US THAT WE'RE BASICALLY BACK TO SQUARE ONE.
UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING WHATEVER IS, IS, IS APPROPRIATE.
I MEAN, SO I I THINK THAT'S NOT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW.
I MEAN, CITY ATTORNEY CAN WEIGH IN ON THIS.
I THINK THAT'S NOT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW.
AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE CHALLENGER WOULD NEED TO TAKE UP AT, AT ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL.
I BELIEVE THE PERMIT IS ACTIVE.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, HE'S WITHDRAWING HIS PERMIT TODAY.
AND GOING BACK, I'M SORRY, THE PREVIOUS ORDER OF THIS BOARD IS ACTIVE.
SO HE'S SAYING LET'S GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ORDER, THEN THEY'RE JUST WITHDRAWING THIS, WE'RE REALLY DONE.
I THINK WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR WOULD BE THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE CONTRIBUTING HOME THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING, INCLUDING NOT ELEVATING THE HOME, RETAINING THE HOME.
UM, SO THAT'S PART OF THIS APPLICATION AS WELL.
SO THAT, THAT COMPONENT COULD BE APPROVED.
AND THEN THE REMAINING ITEMS, THE REDESIGN OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDING AND THE ENHANCED VARIANCES WOULD, WOULD BE, COULD BE DENIED BY THIS BOARD, MR. CHAIR, BUT IT COULD BE DENIED OR THE APPLICANT COULD WITHDRAW, UM, THAT COMPONENT OF THE APPLICATION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE SUGGESTION CAME FROM MY CLIENT.
WHY NOT JUST CONTINUE THE ITEM PERIOD.
BECAUSE ONCE YOU DO THAT, IF YOU START APPROVING THINGS, AND THEN EVENTUALLY IF I HAVE TO GO IN AND FILE A PETITION FOR WR CARY OR EVEN A DECLARATORY ACTION ON, ON STUFF, YOU GUYS ARE LE THESE PEOPLE ARE LEFT HANGING.
SO IF YOU JUST DO A CONTINUANCE AND THEN WE CAN TALK, WE CAN FIGURE SOMETHING OUT OR NOT, BUT AT LEAST IT'S, IT'S EASIER.
UM, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT, THAT IDEA OR, I MEAN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.
I THINK I WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY WOULD LIKE US TO DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAD JUST ASKED TO FOR US TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
SO, I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, AND THEY ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT THEY WOULD WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION ENTIRELY.
SO WHAT WOULD ANYBODY WOULD? YES.
ANY THOUGHTS? DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES.
IF THE WINDOWS ARE CHANGED PER AND NOT ACCORDANCE TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, DOES THAT HAVE TO COME, DO THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR THAT? OR IS THAT A STAFF APPROVAL? I DON'T KNOW.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE, YOUR PROCESS.
SO THAT'S PART OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IN THE ORDER.
UM, THAT IS SOMETHING BECAUSE IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN THAT STAFF HAS THE AUTHORITY TO REVIEW AND APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVE.
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WAIT, NO, BEFORE YOU DO, JUST, JUST, DO YOU HAVE A THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO SHARE? JUST, I MEAN, WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY WERE SAYING IS THEY'RE WILLING TO, UM, GO TO THE ORIGINAL, UH, PLAN, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE AUXILIARY BUILDING.THEN THERE'S NO VARIANCES BEYOND WHAT WAS ALREADY REQUESTED.
AND THEY WILL, WITH THE, WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, NOT RAISE IT.
AND WE GO BACK TO THE REGULAR WINDOWS.
I THINK WE COULD MAKE A MOTION TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE HAPPY WITH THAT.
SO, IS THAT CORRECT? ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH WHAT? UM, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT RAY? REPEAT IT, PLEASE.
THAT, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING AND, AND KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS WITH YOUR RENOVATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
AND, AND THAT YOU'LL ACCEPT THE FACT THAT WE DON'T WANT FLOOR TO CEILING, UH, WINDOWS ON THE, ON THE ONE SIDE.
AND YOU GO BACK TO THAT AND THEN YOU'LL, YOU'LL BUILD WHAT YOU WERE, WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED AS THE AUXILIARY BUILDING.
ONE, ONE SEC LINDSAY, YOU CAN COME UP AND, AND SO WHAT THE REASON I WAS SUGGESTING WE SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT AND THAT IT MAY BE THAT THE CHALLENGER'S GOING TO ADDRESS THIS, UH, UM, WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE TO ME,
THAT MR. GIBBS IS SUGGESTING HE WILL SEEK CCII ON OUR DECISION.
AND THAT HE WILL THEN, THAT WILL THEN DELAY THEM FURTHER.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I WAS SUGGESTING WE ASK THE APPLICANT WHICH ROUTE THEY WOULD LET ME, WOULD LIKE US TO GO.
AND MAYBE THE CHALLENGER WHO IS NOW STANDING AT THE PODIUM MIGHT HAVE MORE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
BUT I, TO ME, I SEE THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS, TWO WAYS WE CAN GO WITH THIS.
AND I THINK THE BOARD, IT SOUNDS TO ME THE BOARD WOULD BE AMENABLE TO EITHER ONE.
I WANNA KNOW WHERE THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO SPELL.
YEAH, I MEAN, I HAVE A PHD FROM NORTHWESTERN.
I'M NOT AS SMART AS EVERYONE HERE.
UM, I HAVE TO SLEEP WITH TWO GUNS BY MY BED.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN 300 VISITS BY THE POLICE OFFICERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE APPLICANT JUST SO YOU KNOW, KNEW OF THIS.
I'VE BEEN LIVING NEXT DOOR TO THIS APPLICANT'S DISASTER THAT'S NEXT TO ME.
AND IT HAS BEEN A HOLY NIGHTMARE FOR ME.
SO YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THERE IS SOME LEVEL OF ANGER.
'CAUSE I'VE LIVED IT THAT SAID, I'M WILLING TO LIVE ANOTHER YEAR LIKE THIS 'CAUSE I'VE ALREADY STARTED.
SO FOR YOUR POINT OF THE, THEY HAVE TO LIVE THROUGH THIS.
I KNOW I LIVE IT EVERY DAY, BUT THAT SAID, I'M WILLING TO FIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMETHING GOOD, THESE ARE JEWELS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
EVERY HOUSE IS A JEWEL AND LETTING THIS APPLICATION GO.
AND JUST MY SORT OF GENERAL POINT IS, IS PIECEMEALING.
THIS JUST MAKES IT COMPLICATED.
I MEAN, LINDSAY, I LOVE THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT LIKE BIFURCATING AND WANTING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, BUT DID YOU SEE HOW THE LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY SORT OF, WELL, WHAT DOES HE WANNA DO? WOULD HE DO THIS? MAYBE HE WOULDN'T, WHERE THE WINDOWS OR THE WINDOWS HERE IS HE RAISING THE FLOORS NOW? THE LEVEL JUST KEEPS EXPOUNDING, EXPOUNDING TO A POINT.
AND I WOULD ASK THAT WE JUST CONTINUE THIS AND COME BACK IN A WAY THAT'S ORGANIZED AND SETTLED AND WE CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND WHEN IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
IF IN FACT THEY DON'T RAISE THIS, ISN'T IT SUBJECT TO FLOODING? WHY WOULD YOU TURN AROUND AND DO ALL THIS WORK ON YOUR HOME AND NOT RAISE IT AND, AND, AND BE IN A FLOOD ZONE DISTRICT? THAT, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN FLOODING.
AND THAT'S THE REASON A LOT OF THE HOMES ARE VACANT.
SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT THEY DON'T RAISE THE HOME.
THAT WE DON'T GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND, AND, UH, AND FORGET THIS ALL TOGETHER IN MY OPINION.
UM, DEBBIE, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING, ANY GUIDANCE, UH, THAT YOU WISH TO HELP US WITH? I, I'M INCLINED TO, UM, TO SUGGEST THAT WE CONTINUE THE WHOLE, IT'S JUST, IT'S VERY COMPLICATED WHEN WE START TO, UM, TO KIND OF BREAK IT APART AND THINK ABOUT IT IN DIFFERENT PIECES.
AND I THINK THERE, THIS MIGHT PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR BETTER THINGS TO COME OUT OF THE NEW, UM, THE NEW PROJECT PROPOSAL, WHATEVER CHANGES, MINOR CHANGES OR MAJOR CHANGES ARE MADE.
UM, SO I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY CALL, UH, CALL THE VOTE AND HAVE A MOTION TO, UM, TO CONTINUE THIS, THIS PROJECT.
UM, DEBBIE, DO YOU WANNA NO, JUST A, A QUICK NOTE.
I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND IF THE BOARD IS INCLINED TO CONTINUE THE APPLICATION THAT WE SET THE DATE FOR JULY 8TH, UM, THERE IS NO AUGUST MEETING.
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SEPTEMBER MEETING WOULD BE BEYOND THE 120 DAY, UH, CONTINUANCE PERIOD.UM, SO I THINK, UH, THE JULY 8TH MEETING AT THIS POINT, IF THEY NEED MORE TIME AFTER THAT, WE CAN, UH, REVISIT THAT AT THAT POINT.
BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND JULY 8TH.
SO WITH THAT, DO I HAVE A MOTION? NO.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO THE JULY 8TH MEETING.
I THINK YOU CAN DO A ROLL CALL.
HOW MANY, LET'S LET, HOW MANY VOTES DO WE NEED? WE, WE CONTINUE.
NEED TO CONTINUE? CONTINUE, YEP.
UH, WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE PROCEDURE IN THIS CASE? SO FOR THE JULY MEETING? SO DO I NEED TO, STAFF WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY SET A MEETING.
UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S ALSO A GOOD IDEA TO TAKE THE BOARD'S ADVICE AND MAYBE REACH OUT TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, START THAT CONVERSATION AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT WE WILL REACH OUT TO YOU AND, AND GIVE YOU SOME DATES AND WE CAN MEET, UH, SET UP A MEETING.
READY FOR THE, THE NEXT APPLICATION.
[5. HPB25-0649 a.k.a. HPB20-0442, 100 21st Street.]
ARE MOVING ON TO HPB 25 0 4 0 6 4 9.AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED, UH, REQUESTING MODIFICATIONS TO A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION RENOVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE HOTEL BUILDING.
THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF THE ACCESSORY CABANA STRUCTURE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A GROUND LEVEL AND ROOFTOP ADDITIONS, ONE OR MORE WAIVERS IN A VARIANCE TO RELOCATE SIGNAGE, UM, TO A NON-ST.
UM, THIS MODIFICATION IS SPECIFICALLY REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL SCOPE FOR DEMOLITION.
UM, STAFF HAS PROVIDED A BACKGROUND TO THE BOARD, UM, IN OUR ANALYSIS.
UM, THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING.
UH, IT IS PROPO ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED AS THE SEAGULL HOTEL.
IT IS NOW, UM, PROPOSED TO BE A NEW BULGARY HOTEL.
THE BOARD APPROVED A, A SIGNIFICANT PROJECT IN 2021.
UH, SINCE THAT TIME WE HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH THE TEAM ON THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.
WHAT DO THE PREPARATIONS SO THAT, OH,
UM, SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT.
I KNOW, UM, PLANNING HAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED A FULL BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE PROJECT THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD APPROVED.
UM, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO SEE, UM, WORK, UM, CONTINUE AND ULTIMATELY THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.
UM, DURING SOME RECENT, UH, ACTIVITY, UH, WITHIN THE INTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE, THE APPLICANT HAS ADVISED US THAT THEIR STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS HAVE, UH, REEVALUATED THEIR INITIAL, UH, RESTRUCTURING OF THE BUILDING.
PRIMARILY DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT WAS DISCOVERED THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT ON, UH, SPREAD FOUNDATION.
UM, AFTER TESTING AND STUDIES, UH, THEY DID CONCLUDE THAT, THAT ALL OF THE FLOOR PLATES WILL NEED TO BE DEMOLISHED.
ADDITIONAL, UM, DEMOLITION OF TWO OF THE FACADES IS ALSO REQUESTED.
UM, BUT STAFF WOULD NOTE THAT THE PRIMARY FACADE THAT CONTAINS ALL OF THE SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, UM, WILL STILL BE RETAINED INSURED.
UM, THEY HAVE PROVIDED A PRELIMINARY SHORING EMBRACING PLAN THAT STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH.
UM, SO AT THIS POINT, UH, WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION AND ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DEBBIE ON THIS AT THIS POINT? NO.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS CARTER MCDOWELL WITH BERG 1450 BROOK AVENUE.
I HAVE MY ASSOCIATE, UH, NICK NOTTO WITH ME.
WE HAVE OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, UM, SF UH, CAN, AND WE ALSO HAVE, UM, OUR ARCHITECT HERE.
IF, IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS FOR THE ARCHITECTS ABOUT THIS, UM, I NEED TO MAKE, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY NEW MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I WANT TAKE A MINUTE, UH, TO JUST SAY THIS IS INDEED PROPOSED.
WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING A NEW ARY MIAMI BEACH, NEW ARY HOTEL.
AT THE TIME WE STARTED THIS PROCESS,
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IT WAS GOING TO BE THE FIRST ARY HOTEL IN THE UNITED STATES.UM, A REAL FEATHER IN THE CAP OF MIAMI BEACH.
WE WENT THROUGH HEARINGS BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION BEFORE THIS, THIS BOARD ITSELF, BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND I CAN HONESTLY SAY WE GOT UNANIMOUS VOTES FOR THIS PROJECT EVERYWHERE WE WENT.
THERE WAS ONE PLANNING BOARD MEMBER WHO SAID, I LOVE THE PROJECT.
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS ASPECT, SO I'M NOT GONNA VOTE FOR IT.
SO WE, WE HAD ONE VOTE, WHICH WAS NOT UNANIMOUS.
THIS BOARD UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE PROJECT.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD ON THIS PROJECT, UM, SINCE WE GOT THE ORIGINAL APPROVALS.
THERE WERE SOME DELAYS THROUGH CHALLENGES.
UM, BUT WE'VE MADE, MADE OUR WAY THROUGH THOSE.
UM, AS YOU'VE BEEN BY THE PROPERTY, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE DONE SIGNIFICANT WORK ON THE PROPERTY, MOSTLY DEMOLITION AT THIS POINT.
UM, AND WE ARE AT A CRITICAL JUNCTURE WITH REGARD TO THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AND WITH THIS PROJECT, WE ARE HERE ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THE MODIFIED DEMOLITION.
AND WE GENUINELY NEED YOUR HELP TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
UM, WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE DELAY, HONESTLY, IS VERY HARD AND VERY DAMAGING TO THE PROJECT.
UH, BECAUSE WE MIGHT IN FACT HAVE CONTRACTORS END UP DEMOBILIZING, UH, WITH DELAY, WHICH WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE HAPPEN.
TO BE CLEAR, WE ARE NOT MODIFYING THE PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD IN ANY WAY.
IT'S NOT LARGER, IT'S NOT IN NO DIFFERENT SETBACKS.
AND I GUESS I, HOW DO WE, SO IF PLEASE PUT UP THE FIRST SLIDE, WHICH SHOWS A RENDERING.
UM, OF COURSE YOU CAN'T SEE IT, BEC OH, NOW YOU CAN SEE IT.
UH, SO THAT'S A RENDERING OF THE NORTH FACADE FROM THE ORIGINAL, UH, PACKET.
UM, I DO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS, WHICH ARE NOT IN THIS PRESENTATION.
WE HAVE THEM ON A LAPTOP, UM, A A COUPLE LAPTOPS THAT I CAN SHOW TO THE BOARD.
THEY ARE THE ORIGINAL RENDERINGS.
I DIDN'T INCLUDE THEM IN THIS, NOT THINKING THAT I SHOULD DO THAT FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE NEW.
BUT IF THEY'RE BOARD, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS THAT WE CAN SHOW YOU ON THE SCREEN OF THE, UH, OF OUR COMPUTERS.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY ARE ALREADY IN THE RECORD OF APPROVAL.
UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO DO THAT FOR A MINUTE, WE CAN, I CAN CERTAINLY ASK NICK AND BARBARA TO SHOW YOU A COUPLE ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS OF THIS PROJECT FROM DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS.
UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE LARGER PROJECT.
SO TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT ASKING TO CHANGE THE PROJECT.
WE'RE SIMPLY CHANGING THE WAY WE HAVE TO BUILD IT.
UM, WE WILL PRESERVE THE NORTH FACADE, AS DEBBIE HAS SAID.
UM, THAT IS THE MOST, AND REALLY THE ONLY REMAINING ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THIS BUILDING.
UM, BASED ON THE PRIOR APPROVAL, UM, WHEN THE PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED, WE BOTH THE CITY AND WE BELIEVED THAT WE HAD A SUBSTANTIAL, WE HAD AN OLDER HISTORIC STRUCTURE, BUT THAT IT WAS, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY SOUND AND STABLE.
UM, WHAT WE FOUND AFTER THE FACT, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, IS THAT, AS DEBBIE HAS SAID TO YOU, THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT WITH NO DEEP PILE FOUNDATIONS AT ALL.
UM, HAD THIS BEEN A THREE STORY BUILDING THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN A SURPRISE, BUT AS AN EIGHT STORY BUILDING, UM, I CAN TELL YOU IT WAS A COMPLETE SURPRISE TO OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, TO OUR OWNER, AND TO THE DESIGN TEAM.
UM, IT WAS, IT WAS PRETTY MUCH A GUT PUNCH TO BE HONEST.
UH, BECAUSE WE NOW NEED TO COMPLETELY REDO THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING.
'CAUSE WE CANNOT MAKE THE PROJECT AS ORIGINALLY APPROVED, MEET APPLICABLE CODE REQUIREMENTS WITH NO DEPO FOUNDATIONS.
AND INDEED THE BUILDING WILL BE SUBJECT POTENTIALLY TO COLLAPSE IN THE EVENT OF A HURRICANE BECAUSE IT COULD GET UNDERMINED.
UM, IT JUST COMPLETELY CHANGED WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO THIS BUILDING.
AS A RESULT, WE ARE COMING BEFORE YOU ASKING TO FIRST STABILIZE THE NORTH WALL.
YOU, WE HAVE IN THE PRESENTATION, AND I CAN GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION FOR YOU, WHICH IS MOSTLY JUST THE CHANGED, UH, DEMOLITION PLANTS.
BUT WE HAVE A SHORING PLAN WHERE, WHEREAS YOU HAVE SEEN ON OTHER PROJECTS LIKE THE IMAN AND THE RALEIGH, WE'LL INSTALL A STEEL STRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THE NORTH FO NORTH FACADE AND PROTECT IT.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO PUT IN FOUNDATIONS UNDER THOSE STRUCTURES AS IF IT WERE A TOWER CRANE EFFECTIVELY.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT IN SIX NEW OR SEVEN NEW FOUNDATIONS, THEN ERECT THOSE TOWERS PIN THE NORTH WALL TO, WITH THOSE TOWERS TO HOLD IT UP.
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DEMOLISH THE FLOOR PLATES BEHIND IT, UM, AND BUILD A NEW BUILDING, WHICH ULTIMATELY IS BETTER, I THINK, FOR EVERYBODY BECAUSE THE CURRENT STRUCTURE AND OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER CAN GO THROUGH THIS IN MORE DETAIL.BUT THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN DOZENS OF CORE SAMPLES TAKEN THROUGHOUT THIS BUILDING.
NOT ONE OF THEM MET THE STRUCTURAL REQUIREMENTS THAT OF THE DESIGN.
AND SOME ARE, AND I I I USE THE WORD WOEFULLY INADEQUATE.
I THINK OUR STRUCTURALLY ENGINEER HAD A DIFFERENT PHRASE, BUT IT IS, IT'S REALLY IN BAD SHAPE.
AND SO WHILE WE HAD HOPED TO MAYBE BE ABLE TO PUT NEW FOUNDATIONS IN UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING BECAUSE OF THE, THE WEAKNESS OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND ITS INSTABILITY, WE REALLY CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT RISKING, YOU KNOW, COLLAPSE AND POTENTIALLY KILLING, UH, THE, THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS ON SITE.
WE HAVE TALKED TO A LOT OF CON UH, CONTRACTORS ABOUT THIS ALONG WITH OUR ENGINEERS.
UM, AND SO WE ARE HERE ASKING TO REMOVE THE ALL OF THE FLOOR PLATES, SAVE THE ESTE, THE, THE CONTRIBUTING NORTH FACADE, AND THEN BUILD THE NEW BUILDING, WHICH WILL THEN BE, UH, ATTACHED TO THE FACADE AGAIN.
AND YOU WILL GET THE SAME PRODUCT THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD.
UM, ONE SMALL NOTE, WE ARE DEMOLISHING THE WEST FACADE.
UM, THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE CANNOT PUT A STRUCTURE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING ON THAT WEST SIDE.
IT IS A SHARED ACCESS WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.
SO WE CAN'T GET TO ANY PLACE WHERE WE COULD SUPPORT THAT WALL BY SUPPORTING IT FROM THE OUTSIDE.
'CAUSE I SIMPLY CAN'T INSTALL THAT STRUCTURE IN THAT SHARED ALLEYWAY.
UM, SO WE WILL REBUILD THAT STRUCTURE.
UH, THAT WESTERN WALL, IF YOU SEE IT'S A VERY PLAIN WALL.
THERE ARE A COUPLE WINDOWS IN IT.
THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING IN IT.
UM, AND I, AGAIN, WE ASKED FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
WE ASKED FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR HELP.
UM, WE HAVE PUT A NUMBER OF THINGS IN THE RECORD IN TERMS OF THE ENGINEERING, BUT YUSEF IS HERE AND HAPPY TO ADDRESS YOU IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STRUCTURAL, STRUCTURAL CONDITION OF THE BUILDING OR THIS APPROACH.
UM, AND I THINK I WILL STOP THERE SINCE YOU HAVE A LONG HEARING IN FRONT OF US AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
OH, I WILL ALSO SAY THERE HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN THE PRINCIPALS, MY CLIENTS, AND THE ADJOINING, UH, PRINCIPALS OF THE SETAI.
UM, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE FINE WITH IT.
AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT EXPANDING AND CHANGING THE SETBACKS, THEY'RE FINE WITH IT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? JUST WHAT DOES THIS ADD TO YOUR TIMEFRAME NOW, CARTER? UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE I CAN ANSWER THAT.
UM, BUT ONE OTHER THING, YOU SHOULD ALSO KNOW THIS PROJECT'S FULLY FUNDED.
WE DON'T HAVE TO CLOSE ANY LOANS OR DO ANYTHING ELSE.
WE ARE MOVING FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
IT IS GONNA COST US, I BELIEVE, SEVERAL MONTHS OF DELAY BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE TO, OOH, I'M TOLD BY OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER ALMOST A YEAR'S DELAY.
UH, BECAUSE WE HA NOW HAVE TO DO WITH YOUR APPROVAL.
WE CAN DO THE, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED ON THE DESIGN OF THE NEW STRUCTURAL SYSTEM, BUT WE'RE EARLY IN IT.
WE NEEDED YOUR APPROVAL TO DO THAT.
UM, SO WE NEED TO THEN DO THAT DESIGN, GET IT, THEN FILE IT AS A MODIFICATION TO OUR EXISTING PERMIT.
AND THAT WILL TAKE I'M SURE AT LEAST SIX MONTHS.
UM, AND FROM THERE WE THEN GET, AND THE DEMOLITION ITSELF WILL TAKE QUITE A, WHAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO IN THE INTERIM IS GET THE BRACING UP AND DO THE REST OF THE DEMOLITION SO THAT WE'RE PREPARED AS SOON AS THE PERMIT'S MODIFIED TO START THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW PROJECT.
UM, BUT YES, IT IS BEEN, IT IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
IT'S CERTAINLY NOT WHERE THE OWNER OR ANY OF US WANT IT TO BE.
UM, IT IS, UH,
UH, THE, THE, THE BRACING STRUCTURES THEMSELVES ARE CURRENTLY BEING BUILT BID AND THEY'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $6 MILLION JUST FOR THE BRACES.
WE ASK TO ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS GREAT PROJECT.
EVERYTHING THING IN THE RENDERING.
IT ALMOST SHOWS THE, UH, UM, PORT KIERE BEING ON THE SAME LEVEL AS THE STREET.
BUT I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT BUILDING AND IT'S LIKE A DRIVE UP AND DOWN.
AND IN THE ORIGINAL A RAM, IF I MAY, IN THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, RAY, THAT THAT WAS MODIFIED, WE ARE LOWERING THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF ITS ANGLE, CURRENT ANGLE, AND THIS WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD ALREADY BECAUSE IT OF THE DRIVEWAY ANGLE, YOU CAN'T USE THAT DRIVEWAY.
SO WE, THE BOARD APPROVED LOWERING THE ENTRY INTO THE BUILDING.
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THERE ARE, AGAIN, NO, NO ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT FEATURES LEFT IN THE LOBBY.SO YOU ARE CORRECT, BUT WE ARE IN FACT LOWERING THAT ENTRY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
NOW WE WILL GO TO, UM, BOARD DISCLOSURES.
ANY, ANY DISCLOSURES ON THIS PROJECT? NO, NO? NO.
UM, OPENING TO PUBLIC HEARING, UM, ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
UM, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE STRUCTURAL CHALLENGES AND BE SILLY TO SAY DON'T DO IT.
UM, BUT WE DON'T POSE THE ADDITIONAL DEMOLITION REQUEST AS LONG AS THE VISUAL FACADES AS, AS YOU STATED, ARE STILL THERE, WHICH THEY APPEAR TO BE, WHICH IS WONDERFUL.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE PIECEMEAL.
IT'D BE GREAT IF ALL THIS COULD BE DONE AT ONCE, BUT, UH, WE, IT, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE OF THE SEQUEL HOTEL HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE AND, UH, IT'S REALLY GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SEEING NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION AND, UM, GO TO BOARD MEMBER, BOARD MEMBER COMMENT, DISCUSSION.
ANY, ANYTHING ANYBODY WANTS TO ADD.
I COMMEND YOU ON NOT WANTING TO TEAR THE ENTIRE BUILDING DOWN, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE STATE HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT THEY DON'T CARE ANYMORE, PARTICULARLY NORTH OF 23RD STREET AND YOU'RE JUST A COUPLE BLOCKS AWAY.
SO TO SAVE THE, THE, THE FACE OF THE BUILDING THAT FRONTS THE STREET, UM, IS COSTING YOU A LOT OF MONEY TO DO.
AND, UH, AND I PERSONALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE PRESERVING IT AND THAT WHEN YOU'RE FINISHED, YOU WILL HAVE A STRUCTURE THAT WILL STAND THE TIME FOR THE NEXT A HUNDRED AND SOME ODD YEARS.
AND JUST GRATUITOUSLY, WE LOOK FORWARD TO JOINING YOU IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'D SAY WE LOOK FORWARD TO JOINING YOU IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT THAT ANYBODY'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH LINDSAY? YES, I MEAN, I, I GUESS I'M SOMEWHAT ECHOING.
I, I DO REALLY COMMEND THE EFFORTS.
I WASN'T HERE FOR THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE WERE HERE JUST WHAT, TWO MONTHS AGO, THREE MONTHS AGO WHEN WE DID THE PORT SHARE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE EFFORTS AND THE LINKS THAT THIS APPLICANT HAS GONE TO TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING THIS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, RIGHT? UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, PRESERVING THIS, UM, EXTERIOR STRUCTURE OR THE FACADE RATHER, UM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS BUILDING.
UM, I, I JUST, I DUNNO, I I, IT, IT WARMS MY HEART AND I APPRECIATE IT AND I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT.
AND ACTUALLY, I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING, BUT YOU SAID IT'S SO MUCH MORE ELOQUENTLY THAN I EVER COULD, BUT, UH, NO, I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU GUYS ARE DOING ON THIS, ON THIS WONDERFUL PROJECT.
SO I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
I WAS JUST DEVASTATED WHEN I HEARD THAT IT, IT WAS BUILT LIKE A TWO STORY BUILDING IN FLAMINGO PARK INSTEAD OF
SO WITH THAT, UM, DO WE HAVE A, UM, THE STAFF REPORT OBVIOUSLY, UM, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND AS A DRAFT ORDER.
DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, MOTION? I, I WILL, UM, MOVE TO APPROVE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF SECOND.
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ON THE AGENDA IS HPB 24 0 6 29.THIS IS NINE 10 MARSAY DRIVE IN 71 16 BAY DRIVE.
AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON THE VACANT PORTION OF THE SITE.
AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JAKE, WHO WILL PRESENT OUR RECOMMENDATION.
THIS SUBJECT L-SHAPED SITE CONTAINS TWO PARCELS AND HAS FRONTAGE ON BOTH BAY AND MARSAY DRIVE.
THERE IS AN EXISTING CONTRIBUTING BUILDING LOCATED AT 71 16 BAY DRIVE, WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE RETAINED.
AND A NEW DETACHED ADDITION IS PROPOSED TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON
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THE VACANT PORTION OF THE SITE.THE NEW FOUR STORY BUILDING CONSISTS OF SIX PARKING SPACES AT THE GROUND LEVEL AND 10 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITHIN THE UPPER THREE FLOORS.
STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE BUILDING DESIGN, WHICH HAS BEEN DEVELOPED IN A MANNER THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND CONSISTENT WITH THE SCALE OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, INCLUDING THE SETBACK OF THE FOURTH LEVEL STAFF HAS TWO CONCERNS WITH THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
FIRST, WE RECOMMEND THAT ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING BE INTRODUCED ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE PARKING AREA TO BUFFER LIGHT AND SOUND FROM THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS TO THE EAST.
AND SECOND, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE WEST ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING BE FURTHER REFINED TO BREAK DOWN THE THREE LARGE VERTICAL EXPANSES OF BLANK STUCCO WALL STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT TO REPLACE THE EXISTING VACANT LOT WITH A HIGH QUALITY BUILDING AND INCLUDING NO WAIVERS OR VARIANCES.
AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
UM, UH, ANY, ANY, UM, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO.
CHAIR STAFF MEMBERS OF THE BOARD STAFF.
I WORK AT AKERMAN, LLP OFFICES AT 98 SOUTHEAST SEVENTH STREET.
AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AND APPLICANT, FRA NORMANDY, LLC.
WITH ME TODAY IS OUR ENTIRE TEAM.
I HAVE MY PARTNER GUS MAXWELL, AS WELL AS FROM OWNERSHIP, DARON ARRAD.
AND I HAVE OUR DESIGN ARCHITECT, JEN F DVE FROM IDEA ARCHITECTS, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT EMR FROM GSLA ARCHITECTS AND OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER ADRIAN DUKOWSKI FROM KIMLEY HORN.
WE ARE HERE REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO DEVELOP A 10 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON THE VACANT PORTIONS OF THIS LOT.
IF YOU CAN PLEASE PULL UP THE PRESENTATION.
HERE YOU SEE A RENDERING OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
NOW THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE ENTRANCE OF NORMANDY AISLE AT ABOVE 71ST STREET, WHICH IS THE COMMERCIAL CORE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS AN AREA THAT IS WELL SERVED BY TRANSIT, WALKABLE, LOTS OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY GOING ON IN THE AREA.
WE HAVE A BIT OF A FUNKY ZONING CONDITION HERE.
THE PORTIONS OF THE LOT THAT HAVE THE HISTORIC BUILDING ARE ZONE RO AND THEN THE VACANT PORTIONS WHERE WE PROPOSE TO BUILD THE NEW STRUCTURE THEIR ZONE RM ONE.
THIS IS OF COURSE IN THE NORMANDY ISS HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE BEFORE THE BOARD.
SO THIS IS THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAT IS ON BAY ROAD.
IT HAS COMMERCIAL SPACE AT THE GROUND FLOOR, AS WELL AS SIX RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
THIS APPLICATION PROPOSES TO LEAVE THIS STRUCTURE INTACT, BUT I WILL POINT OUT THAT THERE HAS BEEN ACTIVE INVESTMENT IN RETAINING THIS STRUCTURE.
AS RECENTLY AS 2017, ALL OF THE WINDOWS WERE REPLACED WITH HURRICANE IMPACT WINDOWS, AND THE FACADE RECEIVED A LITTLE TLC SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO ENJOY THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
THIS IS THE VACANT PORTION OF THE LOT WHERE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO BE.
THIS HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A LONG TIME, SO, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE EXCITED THAT WE'RE FINALLY ACTIVATING THIS WITH, YOU KNOW, A REASONABLE RESIDENTIAL USE.
YOU CAN SEE HERE A LITTLE BIT OF THE CONTEXT OF WHERE THIS IS GOING.
UM, I'M GONNA HAND OVER THE PRESENTATION TO AN ARCHITECT TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE DRAWINGS, BUT BEFORE THAT, I DID WANNA MAKE TWO POINTS.
THE FIRST IS THAT THE CODE ALLOWS US TO BUILD UP TO 55 FEET IN HEIGHT, BUT WE'VE CONSCIOUSLY BUILT IT DOWN TO 41 AND A HALF FEET IN ORDER TO HAVE A PRODUCT THAT IS CONTEXTUALLY APPROPRIATE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE FOUR STORY BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE KNIGHTS BRICK CONDO RIGHT ACROSS BAY ROAD IS SUBSTANTIALLY TALLER AT NINE STORY.
SO WE THINK OUR HEIGHT IS PRETTY APPROPRIATE.
AND THE SECOND POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY CAREER AS A LEND USE ATTORNEY, I RECEIVED AN UNPROMPTED CALL FROM NEIGHBORS AND THEY WERE ACTUALLY ASKING IF WE COULD BUILD TALLER, PUT MORE UNITS THERE, MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT.
SO I HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE NINTH BRIDGE CONDO, UH, SIX OWNERS IN THAT CONDO THAT I WILL BE DISTRIBUTING.
THEY'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.
THEY THINK THE DESIGN IS VERY HIGH QUALITY, AND THEY'RE HAPPY THAT THIS VACANT LOT IS FINALLY BEING DEVELOPED.
AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JEN FRANCOIS AND I'LL COME BACK TO CONCLUDE.
I'M PARTNER OF IDEA ARCHITECTS 3 2 3 3 NORTHEAST 163RD STREET, NORTH MIAMI BEACH.
UM, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO THE OPPORTUNITY OF PRESENTING THIS PROJECT, UH, TO YOU TODAY.
UM, AS CECILIA SAID, UH, IT'S A VERY MODEST PROJECT.
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UH, 10 DWELLING UNITS.UH, WE WENT, UH, UH, FOR, FOR FOR THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT.
UH, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH, UH, UH, THE OWNER AND STAFF TO, TO GIVE WHAT WE THINK IS, UM, IS, IS A GOOD PRODUCT.
UM, SO AS WE DESCRIBED AS A SIMPLE STRUCTURE AS ONLY, UH, FOUR STORIES, AND WE WERE VERY, UH, MINDFUL TO HAVE, UM, THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING TO BE, UH, UH, AS PLEASANT TO THE EYE AND COMPATIBLE WITH, UH, THE SCALE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UH, AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE RENDERINGS, THE, UM, THE PROJECT ACTUALLY, UM, SCALES BACK FROM THE STREET.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BOUTIQUE PROJECT.
AS I SAID, IT'S A VERY MODEST SCALE.
UH, WE THINK THAT, UH, IN WORKING ON IT, WE, WE ARE IN ALL THE DETAILS, UH, TO MAKE IT A VERY, UH, PLEASANT PROJECT.
UM, WE, WE WOULD WELCOME YOUR SUPPORT.
WE THINK THAT, UH, THIS IS THE RIGHT, UH, UH, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, UH, FOR THE SITE.
AND, UH, WE'RE CERTAINLY VERY INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT YOU SAY.
UH, IN THE STAFF REPORTS THERE ARE, UH, TWO CONDITIONS AND, UH, WE, UH, WE, WE, WE WILL COMPLY WITH, UH, THE CONDITION.
UM, WE HAVE NO, UM, NO RESTRICTION IN, UH, BEING IN COMPLIANCE.
I'LL BE MORE THAN IP TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE.
I'M ALSO, UH, A COMPANY HERE BY, UH, KIL SIMILAR, UH, THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OF THE PROJECT.
UH, ANY QUESTION YOU MAY HAVE, YOU'LL BE, UH, HAPPY TO TO ANSWER THEM.
AND DOES THAT CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION? UH, YES IT DOES.
UM, THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION OVER.
SO WOULD, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? RAY? MY STANDARD QUESTION, IS THIS GOING TO BE APARTMENTS OR CONDOMINIUM? UM, YEAH, PLEASE.
SO OF COURSE IT'LL DEPEND ON MARKET CONDITIONS AT THE TIME.
THE INTENT INITIALLY IS TO GO APARTMENT, BUT IF THE CONDO MARKET IS GOING GOOD, THEN THEY'LL SWITCH OVER TO A CONDO.
BUT THEY HAVEN'T DETERMINED THAT YET.
'CAUSE I DID NOTICE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT ONE HUGE UNIT ON THE UPPER FLOOR AND I THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE THE OWNER OF THIS PROJECT WAS GONNA TAKE THAT FOR THEMSELVES.
UH, AND YOU'VE GOT A 10 UNIT BUILDING.
UM, NOW I NOTICED THAT THERE'S FOUR PARKING SPACES ON THE STREET, BUT I BELIEVE YOU CAN'T HAVE THOSE ASSIGNED TO YOUR BUILDING.
SO YES, WE HAVE 10 UNITS AND ONLY SIX PARKING SPACES.
THE INTENT IS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM TO HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES, THE TWO BEDROOM AND FOUR, I BELIEVE FOUR OF THE ONE BEDROOMS WILL HAVE A PARKING SPACE.
THERE ARE UNITS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN ASSIGNED PARKING SPACE, BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS AREA IS WELL SERVE BY TRANSIT.
YOU HAVE BOTH THE MIAMI-DADE COUNTY 79 AND 2 79 BUS GOING ALONG 71ST STREET AS WELL AS THE MIAMI BEACH TROLLEY.
IT'S A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO WE DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A NEGATIVE FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, AND, AND WE HAVE EXTENSIVE, UH, UH, STORAGE ON THE GROUND FLOOR FOR BICYCLES.
WHILE YOU'RE, WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE, I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF YOU WOULD, UM, POSSIBLY TALK ABOUT THE, HOW YOU, HOW YOU'RE ADDRESSING THE, UM, THE WEST ELEVATION, LIKE WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON IT.
I I YOU SAID YOU'RE GONNA BE ADDRESSING THAT AS STAFF RECOMMENDED TO FURTHER REFINE IT, BUT I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANY COMMENTS ON HOW YOU MIGHT BE DOING THAT.
UH, WELL IT SEEMS THAT IT MAY BE, UH, UM, APPEARING AT AS A LITTLE TOO MASSIVE RIGHT NOW.
DO YOU WANNA PULL IT UP? I THINK YOU, THERE'S THE, THERE'S THE
UH, YEAH, I'LL SHOW THE ELEVATION.
UH, THERE, THERE, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
IT MAY SEEM A LITTLE, UH, MASSIVE.
UM, SO, UH, BASICALLY WHAT MAY BE AN IRRITATION HERE IS, IS IS THE MASS OF THE VERTICAL, UH, UH, STUCCO, UM, UH, FACADE.
SO WE WILL BASICALLY JAZZ IT UP.
IT COULD BE JUST WITH, UH, UH, WITH, UH, LINES INSERT IN THE STUCCO, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL ACTIVATE THE DESIGN.
IS THAT KIND OF ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT YOU GUYS HAD IN MIND? YEAH, JUST A MORE ARCHITECTURAL DEFINITION TO BREAK UP THE VERTICALS.
AND, UH, THE, MAYBE THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT COULD TALK ABOUT THE FIRST, LIKE HOW YOU'RE GOING TO I'M SORRY.
I, YEAH, THIS'LL WORK AS WELL.
I'M WITH GSLA, DESIGN LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS.
UM, YEAH, AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPING, WE, THE CONDITION BETWEEN THE UNITS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A SMALL SETBACK AND THEN THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR HAS ONE TOO.
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UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULDN'T PUT MASSIVE SHADE TREES IN THERE TO BUFFER, BUT WE DO HAVE, UH, TREES PLANTED ABOUT 14 FEET ON CENTER, UH, 10 TREES ON EACH SIDE OF THE, UH, BETWEEN EACH FACADE.UH, AND WE HAVE THOSE UNDER PLANTED WITH HEDGES, WHICH, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY GREW UP TO THE BASE OF THE TREE, WHICH WE GREW UP.
SO WE'LL HAVE A, YOU KNOW, 15, 20 FOOT VERTICAL WALL OF VEGETATION.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE, UH, NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING AND HEADLIGHTS.
SO, UM, I THINK THE SHRUBS GOING IN THERE NOW.
WE HAVE 'EM 24 INCHES TALL, BUT WE WILL JUST INCREASE THE SIZES AND WE'LL STAGGER THEM.
SO RIGHT AWAY THEY'LL HAVE AN IMMEDIATE, UH, YOU KNOW, LIGHT BARRIER FOR HEADLIGHTS.
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL, THANK YOU.
WITH THE PARKING, COULDN'T YOU JUST HAVE IT WHERE THEY BACK INTO THE SPACES INSTEAD OF DRIVING FORWARD? I MEAN, THAT'S A, I MEAN, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF THE LIGHT SITUATION.
I MEAN, I KNOW I PARKED THAT WAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A, SOMETHING WE CAN DICTATE
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH, READY? TRY TO READ THE, SORRY, READ THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
IS IT ORANGE GARR ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING THAT YOU'RE PLANTING TREES? THERE'S ORANGE GEIGERS, SILVER BUTTONWOOD.
UM, I SEE ORANGE MIXED GE CRAB WOODS IN THERE TOO.
BUT BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS WHERE IT'S NARROW, WE HAVE GEIGERS CRAB WOODS AND, UH, SILVER BUTTONWOOD.
AND THEN UNDERNEATH WE HAVE RED MAC, COCOA PLUM, THINGS THAT'LL GROW, UH, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU.
I, UH, COMMEND THE ARCHITECT ON THE DESIGN.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE AREA.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU IF YOU STUDIED WHETHER YOU COULD ADD ADDITIONAL PARKING, UH, BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAD DISCUSSED WAS THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING RENTAL UNITS.
AND MORE THAN LIKELY, UH, YOU'RE GONNA NEED MORE PARKING THAN SIX PARKING SPACES.
AND THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS, DID YOU STUDY ANYTHING ON THE ALLEY SIDE? PERHAPS ADDING ADDITIONAL PARKING IN NORTH SOUTH? THERE'S, UM, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON ON THE, ON THIS SMALL SIDE.
AND ACTUALLY WE WENT BACK AND FORTH MAIN TIME WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WOULD, UH, UH, BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ALL THE REQUIREMENT.
UH, THERE IS STREET PARKING NOW, NOW THE REQUIREMENT IS ZERO, SO WE COULD HAVE PROVIDED ZERO, BUT WE, WE KNEW THAT WAS UNFAMILIAR, UNFAMILIAR, UH, BUT, UH, WHAT WE PROPOSE HERE, SIX IS REALLY THE, THE, THE, THE MAXIMUM THAT COULD FIT, UH, IN ORDER TO RESPECT THE, THE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, THE, THE, THE ACCESS TO THE BUILDING ITSELF.
AND, UH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, WE PROVIDING, WE'RE PROVIDING EXTENSIVE, UH, GROUND FLOOR STORAGE FOR BICYCLE.
AND WE THINK THAT'S GONNA BE AN ASSET FOR THE PROJECT.
AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS, UH, THE TENANTS AND NUMBER TWO OF POSSIBLE GUESTS.
SO IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIVING THERE WITH ONLY SIX UNITS HAVING PARKING, ANY GUESTS COMING BEYOND GONNA PARKING LOT ALL AROUND
BUT, UH, THE PROJECT IS BEAUTIFUL AND I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT SHOT IN THE ARM FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
SO NOW, UM, WE WILL GO TO BOARD DISCLOSURES.
ALRIGHT THEN, UH, OPENING FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT.
ROGER GOLA MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION BOARD.
UH, WE APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE PRESERVING THE EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
ALSO COMMEND YOU FOR TEAM IT BELOW THE MAXIMUM.
I MEAN, THAT'S, YOU DON'T HEAR MUCH ABOUT THAT.
UH, IT, IT RESPECTS THE SCALE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, YOU ADD ADDITIONAL HOUSING TO MIAMI BEACH WHILE ACTIVATING A, A VACANT LOT, THAT'S GREAT TOO.
WE SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE LANDSCAPING.
WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT SCREENING, WE'RE FINDING OF THE WEST ELEVATION.
NOW WE HAVE ONE, UH, POINT AS A, TO BLEND IN WITH THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD INSTEAD OF THE CURVES AROUND THE, UH, EYEBROWS.
IF YOU CAN PUT VERTICAL LINES, WE THINK WOULD BE MORE OF A HOMAGE TO THE, UH, HISTORICAL DESIGNS.
UH, BUT WITH, WITH SOME REFINEMENTS SUCH AS THAT, THE POTENTIAL WOULD BE A POSITIVE ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE RESPECTING ITS HISTORIC CONTACTS WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
SEEING NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, WE'LL NOW GO TO BOARD, COMMENT AND DISCUSSION.
ANYTHING, ANYTHING, LINDSAY? GO FOR IT.
UM, SO I, I DO AGREE WITH MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS.
I THINK IT'S A VERY BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED PROJECT.
UM, I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMMENTS, UM, MADE BOTH BY, UH, MDPL RES, UH, REPRESENTATIVE, UM, AND THE BOARD
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THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITION OF THE HOUSING.UM, THE FACT THAT YOU'VE, YOU KNOW, CONSCIOUSLY CHOSEN TO STAY BELOW THE HEIGHTS TO REALLY REMAIN, UM, INCONGRUENCE WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I LIVE IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND I HAVE NO PARKING, BUT STREET PARKING, SO I'M TOTALLY OKAY WITH THAT.
UM, HAVING PARKING AT ALL IS KIND OF A NICE PARK.
UM, AND I'M SURE THE MARKET WILL REFLECT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE A PARKING SPOT, YOU KNOW, YOUR COST OF YOUR UNIT, UH, WHETHER THAT'S A RENTAL OR A CONDO.
UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE HERE.
UM, I THINK YOU GUYS PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THIS AND, UH, IT LOOKS GOOD.
I, UM, I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO THIS BUILDING AND WALK BY IT ALMOST EVERY THE SITE, ALMOST EVERY DAY.
AND I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE A, AN AMAZING ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I THINK THE WAY YOU'RE TREATING THE FRONT OF IT IS GONNA BE, UH, IS REALLY BEAUTIFUL.
AND I HOPE IT'LL BE A MODEL FOR, UM, FOR FUTURE, FOR, UM, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN AND AROUND OUR CITY.
UM, WITH THAT, DO I, CAN WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WERE BASICALLY WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED.
I, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
OKAY, LET ME CALL THE ROLE, UH, MR. HOLLINGWORTH? YES.
[7. HPB24-0637, The right-of-way located adjacent to the east of 260 Euclid Avenue.]
NEXT APPLICATION IS HPB 24 0 6 3 7.THIS IS A RIGHT OF WAY LOCATION ADJACENT TO THE EAST OF TWO 60 EUCLID AVENUE.
AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ODOR CONTROL UNIT AT THE EXISTING PUMP STATION LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FILED BY OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
UM, THIS ODOR CONTROL UNIT, UM, IS AT THE EXISTING WASTEWATER LIFT STATION LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF WASHINGTON AVENUE AND THIRD STREET.
UH, THE EXISTING LIFT STATION IS LOCATED, LOCATED PRIMARILY UNDERGROUND, UM, EXCEPT FOR THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS REQUIRED TO BE ELEVATED.
UM, THE EXISTING ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN, IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS, UM, WAS ACTUALLY DESIGNED AS PART OF AN ART AND PUBLIC PLACES PROJECT.
UM, A, A TILE PROJECT ENTITLED LIQUID MEASURES BY WENDY WISHER.
UM, THE ODOR CONTROL UNIT IS PROPOSED IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO CONCERNS OF THE, UM, SURROUNDING RESIDENTS.
UM, THE EXISTING EQUIPMENT DOES NOT HAVE ADEQUATE, UM, FACILITIES TO, TO MITIGATE THE ODOR EMISSIONS OF THE WASTEWATER.
UM, THE UNIT IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED ABOVE GROUND WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE PORTION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IT IS NINE FEET TALL, UM, AND CONTAINS FILTERS WHICH WILL REMOVE THE ODORS.
AND WE HAVE THESE, THESE TYPE OF UNITS INSTALLED ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY.
UM, AND THEY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT TREATS THE SUBSTANCE AND VENTS CLEAN, UM, CLEANED AIR THROUGH A 15 FOOT TALL EXHAUST STACK.
UM, STAFF WOULD NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED TWO OPTIONS, UM, IN TERMS OF THE PLACEMENT OF THE UNIT.
UM, THEY ARE STILL LOOKING AT POTENTIAL CONFLICT CONFLICTS WITH UNDERGROUND UTILITIES.
UM, WE HAVE, THEY'RE VERY, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR LOCATIONS.
WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO EITHER.
UM, AND THEY HAVE ALSO PROPOSED A TILE CLADDING SYSTEM.
THEY HAVE TWO PARTICULAR DESIGN STAFF HAS REVIEWED BOTH OF THESE DESIGNS, UM, AND WOULD HAVE NO OBJECTION TO EITHER BEING APPROVED.
UM, I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE CITY'S PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT NEIGHBOR AT TWO 60, UM, EUCLID AVENUE TO ENSURE THAT THE RESULTING PRODUCT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO NOT ONLY SEE THERE, BUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WILL BE IMPROVED IN TERMS OF REMOVING SOME OF THESE ODORS.
SO WITH THAT, I CAN TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
UM, BUT I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DEBBIE AT THIS POINT? NO.
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YOU.UH, GEORGE MALDONADO, ASSISTANT DIVISION DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS OPERATIONS.
LISA NAZER, INSTRUCTOR, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.
UH, LIKE, LIKE DEBBIE ALLUDED TO, WE ARE HERE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A ODOR CONTROL UNIT LOCATED AT TWO 60 WASHINGTON AVENUE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, SINCE 2020, WE HAVE LOGGED OVER 30, UH, AREA RESIDENT COMPLAINTS OF ODOR IN THE AREA.
AS A RESULT OF THOSE COMPLAINTS, WE UNDERWENT A $1.2 MILLION STATION REHAB, UH, TWO PARALLEL 24 INCH, UM, SANITARY SEW OF GRAVITY MAINS, UH, MANUAL REHABS, VALVING IN THE STATION.
UH, WE SEEK APPROVAL FROM, WE SOUGHT APPROVAL FROM THE COMMISSION FOR A CHANGE ORDER IN THE AMOUNT OF 250,000 FOR 14 SEALED TIGHT WATER HATCHES TO MITIGATE THE ODOR COMPLAINTS AS WELL.
UM, WE STILL CONTINUE TO RECEIVE COMPLAINTS AFTER THAT.
SO THIS IS THE FINAL ATTEMPT, HOPEFULLY, THAT WE CAN MITIGATE THOSE ORDER CONTROL, UH, COMPLAINTS FOR, FOR GOOD.
AT THIS TIME, I TURN IT OVER TO BYM, WHICH IS THE CONTRACTOR OVERSEEING THE CONSTRUCTION.
UM, PLEASE TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU.
YOU HAVE A TECHNICAL, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE? OH, SORRY.
I'M THE PRESIDENT, CEO OF BIOM TECHNOLOGIES.
WE ARE THE, UH, ODOR CONTROL, UH, SYSTEMS PROVIDER ON THIS PROJECT.
AND I'LL, UH, THE PRESENTATION I'M ABOUT TO DO, WE'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT INTO THE PROJECT TEAM, TRY TO GIVE YOU SOME VISUALS AND ALSO JUST EXPLAIN THE TECHNOLOGY VERY BRIEFLY.
AS YOU'RE AWARE, UH, DEALING WITH, UH, THE CONVEYANCE AND THE TREATMENT OF SEWAGE DOES PRODUCE GASEOUS PHASE EMISSIONS.
THEY PRODUCE ODORS, UH, THEY CAN BE DANGEROUS CHEMICALS AT TIME, HENCE ALL OF THE, UH, THE COMPLAINTS.
SO TRYING TO INTEGRATE AN ABATEMENT DEVICE INTO A DENSE URBAN, UH, ENVIRONMENT IS ALWAYS A, A CHALLENGE.
SO HOPEFULLY WHAT WE SHOW YOU HERE TODAY IS A, IS A SUITABLE SOLUTION FOR THAT.
AND MR. CHAIR, CAN WE JUST TAKE ONE, UH, SHORT BREAK? I'M NOT SURE THAT ALL THE WITNESSES HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
WERE YOU GUYS SWORN IN EARLIER THIS MORNING? UH, EARLIER THIS MORNING WE DID RAISE OUR HANDS, YES.
UH, SO THE PROJECT TEAM, BIOM TECHNOLOGIES, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS.
WE DO ODOR CONTROL AND AIR EMISSION ABATEMENT.
OUR SPECIALTY IS HARNESSING THE POWER OF MOTHER NATURE, AND WE'VE DONE THIS LITERALLY ON EVERY CONTINENT ON THE PLANET, OUR SPECIALTY, ALSO DEALING WITH THESE DENSE URBAN ENVIRONMENTS.
UM, ALSO WE HAVE, UH, REPRESENTED HERE TODAY IS L SEVEN, UH, CONSTRUCTION, A FLORIDIAN CON, UH, CONTRACTOR THAT SPECIALIZES IN INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, PARTICULARLY WATER AND WASTEWATER.
AND THEN WHILE NOT ON THE SLIDE, UH, THIS PROJECT, WOULDN WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A SUCCESS WITHOUT, UH, OUR LOCAL PARTNERS, TSC JACOBS AS WELL.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO WE'VE, YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS KIND OF THE PROPOSED LOCATION.
THERE WERE, AS, UH, WAS MENTIONED, THERE ARE TWO POTENTIAL LOCATIONS.
UH, ONE IS MORE DIFFICULT THAN THE OTHER IN TERMS OF UNDERGROUND UTILITIES.
PART OF THE PROJECT HAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION JUST, UH, THE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
SO TODAY WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE LOCATION THAT WE FEEL IS GONNA HAVE THE, THE SHORTEST CONSTRUCTION PERIOD AND THE LEAST AMOUNT OF REWORK TO THE EXISTING, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S THERE.
YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH ODORS IS ONE THING, BUT IF YOU DEAL WITH THE ODORS AND CREATE A NOISE, YOU'RE STILL IMPACTING PEOPLE'S QUALITY OF LIFE.
SO THE PROJECT TRIES TO TAKE ALL OF THIS INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO IT'S NOT ONLY DEALING WITH THE ODORS, DEALING WITH THE NOISE THAT'S PRODUCED FROM THE EQUIPMENT THAT DEALS WITH MAKING THOSE ODORS, AND THEN TRYING TO MAKE IT BLEND IN AESTHETICALLY INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
GONNA GIVE YOU A, JUST A SHORT 45 SECOND VIDEO, KIND OF YOU, IT REALLY GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF HOW THIS IS GONNA LOOK WHEN YOU ZOOM INTO THE AREA.
SO LET'S EXPERIENCE INTEGRITY PERFORMANCE.
IMAGINE AN AIR FILTRATION SYSTEM BUILT RIGHT INTO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ELIMINATES ODORS, HAS NO FENCES, MAKES NO NOISE, AND AESTHETICALLY BLENDS INTO THE LOCAL ENVIRONMENT.
WITH ITS COMPACT AIR TREATMENT SYSTEM, IT IS PROVEN TO REMOVE ODORS WILL BLEND INTO THE EXISTING STRUCTURES AND WILL IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FROM NEARBY RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TO THE AREA.
SLIM AND LOW PROFILE, SECURE WITH HIDDEN UNDERGROUND DUCT WORK, SAFE WITH NO MOVING PARTS AND ACCESSIBLE ENTRANCES, CONCEALED INFRASTRUCTURE BLENDING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
A CUBAN TILE MOSAIC WILL BE APPLIED TO THE EXTERIOR WALLS OF THE SYSTEM.
TO ENHANCE THE OVERALL AESTHETIC, THE SYSTEM WILL INCLUDE SEVERAL PROVISIONS
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FOR NOISE REDUCTION, INCLUDING CONCRETE WALLS AND SPECIALIZED ACOUSTICAL LOUVERS WITHIN THE FAN ROOM ACCESS DOOR COMPLETE WITH A VENTILATION FAN IN LET SOURCES OF CONTROL PANEL AND THE FLUID SYSTEM, THERE ARE HARDLY ANY EXTERNAL SIGNS OF INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT.INSTEAD, IT'S A SIMPLE LOW PROFILE STRUCTURE, SOMETHING YOU MIGHT PASS EVERY DAY WITHOUT A SECOND THOUGHT INSIDE THE BIOFILTER BIOM HARNESSES THE POWER OF NATURE TO REMOVE FOUL ODORS.
THE FAN PUSHES THESE ODORS INTO THE FILTER MEDIA AND THEY ARE DESTROYED NATURALLY WITHOUT THE GENERATION OF ANY HARMFUL BYPRODUCTS.
SINCE THE MEDIA IS NATURAL AND PERMANENT, VERY LITTLE MAINTENANCE IS REQUIRED.
MINIMIZING TRAFFIC AND OPERATOR ATTENDANCE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ADAPTIVE ARCHITECTURE, A SMALL FOOTPRINT THAT FITS INTO PARKS, BOULEVARDS, OR COMMUNITY PATHS.
BEHIND THAT DESIGN IS ADVANCED BIO REM TECHNOLOGY WORKING CONTINUOUSLY TO ELIMINATE ODORS SAFELY, QUIETLY, AND WITHOUT DRAWING ATTENTION.
BIO REM SYSTEMS ARE DESIGNED TO FIT IN SEAMLESSLY AND PERFORM AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL.
SO JUST A QUICK INTRODUCTION SO YOU CAN KINDA SEE HOW THE STRUCTURAL ACTUALLY LOOK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND KINDA GIVE YOU A HINT OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY INSIDE IT.
UM, JUST TO RECAP, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO REALLY, UH, KEEP AS MUCH OF THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THERE AS POSSIBLE.
YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE PROJECT HAS TO FIT IN SEAMLESSLY, INCLUDING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE.
UH, PART OF THE CONCEPT IS TO KEEP THE OAK TREES THAT ARE IN THAT VICINITY AS WELL AS PART OF THE, THE OVERALL AESTHETICS TAKES LONG ENOUGH TO GROW THOSE.
YOU DON'T WANT TO CUT THOSE DOWN.
UM, YOU'VE SEEN IN THE VIDEO THE, THE TILES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED, WE'VE BROUGHT SOME SAMPLES HERE AS WELL, JUST SO YOU GET A BIT OF A FEEL.
I MEAN, THIS IS FAIRLY FLEXIBLE, BUT IT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BLEND IN WELL WITH THE, THE FOLIAGE AS WELL AS, UH, THE COLOR OF THE PAVEMENT AND, AND THE OTHER BUILDINGS THERE.
UM, THE OTHER KEY FEATURES, NO MOVING PARTS, RIGHT? EVERYTHING'S CONTAINED WITHIN A STRUCTURE, SO IT'S SECURE.
YOU DON'T HAVE KIDS PLAYING AROUND WITH, WITH EQUIPMENT.
UH, IN TERMS OF THE SIZES, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.
IT WAS AT THE, AT THE INTRODUCTION, IT'S ABOUT 15 FEET BY 12 FEET AND DIMENSION, ABOUT NINE FEET TALL.
UH, ABOUT AS LOW PROFILE AS YOU CAN GET IN TERMS OF, UH, ALL OF THE OTHER TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR ODOR CONTROL.
THIS IS LOW PROFILE SAFE AND DOESN'T CON, UH, PRODUCE ANY SECONDARY CONTAMINANTS.
UH, IT'S GONNA BE REINFORCED CONCRETE, THAT'S GONNA BE GREAT FOR SOUND ATTENUATION.
UH, ANY STEEL IS GONNA BE CORROSION RESISTANT.
OBVIOUSLY WE WANT THIS THING TO AGE WELL AS WELL.
IT'S NO SENSE PUTTING IN A NICE BUILDING THAT STARTS TO LOOK PRETTY, UH, HORRIBLE AFTER, UH, A YEAR OF BEING EXPOSED TO THE SALT AIR.
SO EVERYTHING, UH, HAS BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THIS TO REMAIN AS NICE 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AS IT WAS ON DAY ONE.
UH, WITHOUT GETTING TOO TECHNICAL, I AM AN ENGINEER BY BACKGROUND, BUT JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S INSIDE THE BOX, THIS HARNESSES NATURALLY OCCURRING BACTERIA, RIGHT? IF I WIPE MY HAND ON THIS TABLE RIGHT NOW, I'VE GOT THE BACTERIA WE NEED THAT'S GOING TO EAT THE AIR POLLUTION.
SO THOSE ODORS, UH, THAT ARE IN THE AIR ARE ACTUALLY GONNA BE A FOOD SOURCE FOR THESE BACTERIA.
WE GROW 'EM ON A SPECIAL ROCK AND THEY BREAK IT RIGHT DOWN TO CARBON DIOXIDE AND WATER.
THEY ARE BENIGN, THEY'RE NOT GENETICALLY MODIFIED.
UM, AND AS I SAID, USE VERY LITTLE WATER, NO MOVING PARTS.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MAINTENANCE CREWS CONTINUALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRYING TO CHANGE OUT, UH, MATERIALS.
UH, YOU GUYS ARE NOT GUINEA PIGS.
THIS HAS BEEN DONE TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
JUST GOT THREE REAL SHORT EXAMPLES.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE UP IN VANCOUVER, IN BRITISH COLUMBIA, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS LITERALLY 10 FEET FROM SOMEONE'S BEDROOM WINDOW.
IN THIS CASE, THE SUBSURFACE CONDITIONS ALLOWED US TO BURY EVERYTHING BELOW GRADE.
UH, JUST ONE EXAMPLE THERE, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A PARK IN DOWNTOWN PORTLAND, OREGON.
SAME THING THERE, UH, OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE LAST EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE OF THIS IN, IN A SIMILAR SCENARIO, RESIDENTIAL AREA, IN A MEDIUM IN SALT LAKE CITY.
IN THIS CASE, UH, THE CLIENT OPTED TO GO FOR AN OPEN TOP SYSTEM.
YOU KNOW, THE ROCKS KIND OF BLENDED IN WITH THE, UH, THE SAND AND ROCK AND THE DESERT ENVIRONMENT.
UH, BUT THE SAME TYPE OF CONCEPT, RIGHT? TOTAL ODOR REDUCTION, NO NOISES, SAFE AND LOW MAINTENANCE.
AND THAT KIND OF ENDS THE PRESENTATION.
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WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A BIT OF A VISUAL SENSE FOR WHAT WE WERE DOING.QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WELL, I HAPPEN TO LIVE VERY CLOSE TO THE OLIS THAT WAS IN YOUR FIRST PICTURE, OKAY? YES.
AND THAT PARK IS OFTEN REFERRED TO AS STINKY PARK.
SO WHAT DO YOU DO DIFFERENT? ARE YOU GONNA DIFFERENT NOW THAN YOU DID THERE? SO AT, AT THAT FACILITY, I BELIEVE IT'S A CAPACITY ISSUE AND THAT'S ACTUALLY BEING EXPANDED TO DEAL WITH THOSE RESIDUAL ODORS.
SO WHEN YOU HAD THAT, YOU SAY
SO THAT UNIT WILL BE UPGRADED TO A BIGGER UNIT TO ABSORB MORE OF THE ODORS.
WELL, THE, I MEAN THAT AFTER THEY REDID THE OBELISK, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S HISTORIC AND I MEAN IT'S, IT'S REALLY A NICE LITTLE POCKET PARK.
IT IS IF YOU CAN GET PAST THE SMELL
SO RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HANG OUT THERE ARE THE HOMELESS, BUT, YOU KNOW, SO I I, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEE THAT COME BACK ONLINE.
AND AT ONE POINT IN TIME THEY EVEN TALKED ABOUT MAKING SOME SORT OF A ROUNDABOUT THERE, CHANGING THE ROADS AND EVERYTHING, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW.
UH, ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT'S APPLICANT? YES, PLEASE, RANDY.
I, I'M LOOKING AT THE TWO OPTIONS FOR THE LOCATION AND I DON'T, UM, OPTION ONE APPEARS TO BE SLIGHTLY FURTHER NORTH THAN OPTION TWO.
WHY IT CANNOT BE SLID EVEN FURTHER NORTH SO THAT IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER BECAUSE OPTION ONE APPEARS, IT'S RIGHT ON THE SIDEWALK.
THERE'S VIRTUALLY NO LANDSCAPING.
I BELIEVE IT'S DUE TO THE UNDERGROUND STRUCTURES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THERE.
SO YOU'VE GOT, UH, I, I BELIEVE IT'S THE, UH, THE SEWAGE LINES THEMSELVES AS WELL AS SOME ELECTRICAL.
YOU CAN PUT IT IN EITHER ONE OR TWO, OR PATIENT-WISE IT CAN BE EITHER.
MOVED BACK AND FORTH IN ONE OR, YES.
IT, IT JUST CANNOT BE SLID FURTHER SOUTH BECAUSE THE PARCEL IS A PIE SHAPED POSSIBLY, NO, I MEAN, FURTHER SOUTH, I WOULD THINK FURTHER NORTH, BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE MORE AREAS, BUT WE HAVE STRUCTURES IN THERE MANHOLES THAT WE NEED TO KEEP TO MAINTAIN THE STATION FLOW.
SO YOU CAN'T GO NORTH? WE CAN'T GO NORTH, BE BEYOND OPTION.
AND DO YOU HAVE NO PREFERENCE FOR WHICH OPTION? YOU JUST SAY THAT'S THE TWO PLACES IT CAN GO? WE PREFER TO PRESERVE THE OAK TREES.
WE WANT TO POSITION IT IN BETWEEN THE TWO OAK TREES.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT APPROVAL FROM THE URBAN FORESTER.
AND WHICH, WHAT, WHICH OPTION? I CAN CAN'T SEE THE TREES, SO I DON'T, I'M SORRY.
TRYING TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THAT'S THERE AND AND REDUCE THE CONSTRUCTION TIME AS WELL IS OPTION TWO? UH, OPTION ONE, THEN AN OPTION TWO.
WHAT DO YOU LOSE? ONE OF THE OAK TREES? I BELIEVE SO, YES.
YOU'LL HAVE TO REMOVE THE 14 INCH OAK TREE OR THE 11 INCH OAK TREE.
I'M, IT'S HARD TO SEE ON THE PLAN OF THE, OF SPEAKING OF THE DIAMETER 11 INCH OR THE, THE HEIGHT.
IT'S A PRETTY MATURE TREE THAT WE WANT TO TRY AND SEE.
THE EXISTING, I, I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE, WITH THE SITE.
UM, THE EXISTING ELECTRICAL PANELS THAT ARE RAISED, HOW TALL ARE THOSE? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET LIKE A FRAME OF REFERENCE.
I WOULD SAY I'M SIX FOOT, THEY'RE ABOUT MY HEIGHT A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
AND THIS IS NINE FEET TALL, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND HOW HIGH DID YOU SAY THE EXHAUST STACK EXTENDS? IT'S 15 FEET.
THE EXHAUST STACKS EXTENDS 15.
THERE IS AN EXISTING EXHAUST STACK AT THE STATION NOW THAT EXTENDS SOME 30 FEET IN THE AIR.
I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT EXHAUST, UM, THE EXHAUST STACK AND WONDERING, IS THAT GONNA BE THE STAINLESS, THE, IS IT STAINLESS STEEL LIKE YOU, IS THAT A STAINLESS STEEL STACK OR IS IT, HER PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO MAKE IT STAINLESS.
NOW WE CAN ALSO COAT IT IF WE WANT, UH, A DIFFERENT FINISH TO IT, BUT WE WOULD WANT IT TO BE CORROSION RESISTANT.
YEAH, YEAH, OF COURSE, OF COURSE.
THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO SEE IS A BUNCH OF RUST STREAKS COMING DOWN.
YEAH, NO, IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY PROMINENT, UH, FEATURE THERE.
AND, UM, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO ADD TO, TO, I SAW IT IN THE VIDEO, THE, THE PLANTINGS THAT YOU'RE ADDING AROUND IT SO THAT THERE IS EXISTING LANDSCAPING AT THE SITE.
WE TEND, WE TEND, WE WE'RE GOING TO COMMINGLE THAT THE, THE NEW INSTALLATION WITH THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE.
I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, SOME INSTALLATIONS OF SEGEL PALMS, SOME LOW LYING, UH, GREEN ISLAND FICA.
PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.
I, I BELIEVE IT'S SOME SEGO PALMS, SOME GREEN ISLAND FCUS, SOME NATIVE, UH, SPECIES THAT ARE DROUGHT TOLERANT THERE.
IS THERE ANY LIGHTING AT NIGHT AROUND THAT, AROUND THAT, UM, PLANNED FOR, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING, UH, TO HAVE THAT.
I, I THINK THAT WOULD JUST BE A,
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YOU KNOW, BE A LITTLE BRUTAL.I, WELL, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT SECURITY, JUST SO THAT YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT IT BEING DARK AND THERE'S A, SOMETHING THERE THAT SOMEBODY COULD BE AROUND THE CORNER, YOU HAVE AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT.
NOT A LOT OF LIGHT, NOT LIKE A, IT'S A FEATURE THAT CAN BE ADDED IF, IF, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WANTED.
BUT YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT'S REINFORCED CONCRETE, IT'S GONNA BE A, A HEAVY GAUGE DOOR, EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE LOCKED UP.
UM, YEAH, IT'S NOT ABOUT SOMEBODY HIDING INSIDE.
IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE ABOUT SOMEBODY BEING AROUND JUST 'CAUSE YOU'RE ON THE SIDEWALK AND YOU'RE WALKING AROUND THIS KIND OF BUILDING THAT SOMEBODY COULD BE WALKING AROUND.
BUT DOES ANYBODY DO THAT IN YOUR OTHER, DO THEY EVER ADDRESS THE, THAT ISSUE IN ANY OF YOUR OTHER SITES? IN OTHER SITES, THERE TENDS TO BE OTHER LIGHTING.
UH, YOU KNOW, JUST NORMAL STREET LIGHTING IN THE AREA.
I BELIEVE THERE IS STREET LIGHTING IN THAT AREA, CORRECT? YEAH.
IT'S NOT THE MOST LIT AREA IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE RECENTLY, BUT, UH, YEAH.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF TREE COVER.
I MEAN, YES, THERE'S A LOT OF TREE COVER.
I MEAN IT BEAUTIFUL TILE, MAYBE UPLIGHTING, I DON'T KNOW.
UH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT THAT JUST GIVES IT, WE HAVE SEEN PEOPLE TRY TO PEEL TILE OFF OTHER STRUCTURES, BUT, UM, YEAH, HOPEFULLY THAT DOESN'T OCCUR HERE.
LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S ALWAYS A DELICATE BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWEAK COVER AND THE LIGHTING.
UH, I HAVE A QUESTION ON, UH, PAGE C3.
THERE ARE TWO RE UH, ISOMETRICS OF THE STRUCTURE AND IT LOOKS LIKE A LARGE SURFACE PLATE AROUND THEM.
IS THAT JUST A GRAPHIC THAT DOESN'T EXIST AS FAR AS A PHYSICAL ELEMENT AROUND IT? I MEAN, WILL LANDSCAPING GO RIGHT UP TO THE WALLS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT IN THE RENDERINGS? IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A HUGE PLATFORM IT SITS ON.
UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT A PLATFORM, THAT'S JUST A CUTAWAY OF THE ACTUAL GROUND SURFACE AND THE PAVEMENT THAT'S IN THE AREA.
SO THERE'S NOTHING BEYOND THE WALLS OF THE ACTUAL BOX.
UM, AS FAR AS, UH, THE SURFACE OF THE GROUND RIGHT NOW, THERE, THERE ISN'T NO YEAH, THAT RIGHT.
I THINK BELIEVE THAT'S ALL PAVEMENT IN THAT AREA.
IT'S, IT'S ALL GROUND COVER IN THAT, IN THAT SPECIFIC SITE THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT IT AT.
BUT IN THIS RENDERING, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PLANT AROUND THE STRUCTURE.
BUT IS YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S NOT THE CASE OF THIS RENDERING? THAT'S NOT THE CASE OF THE RENDERING, NO.
AND THEN WHAT IS THE SETBACK OFF THE SIDEWALK? DO YOU KNOW? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S LIKE A, A SIX INCHES OF FOOT'S RIGHT ABOVE IN THE SIDEWALK.
'CAUSE IT'S VERY TIGHT IN THAT AREA.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S A PIE STRAIGHT, A PIE STRAIGHT, UH, RIGHT PARCEL OF LANDSCAPING THERE.
IT'S THE ONLY AREA OF FOOTPRINT THAT WE COULD FIT THE ORDER CONTROL UNIT IN.
ALRIGHT, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NOPE.
UM, BOARD DISCLOSURES, SEEING NONE THEN.
UM, ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PLEASE COME FORWARD.
ROGER, UH, THE, THE GENTLEMAN FROM MDPL, ROGER BLA, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE THAT PROJECTS SUCH AS THESE SHOULD BE HELD TO THE SAME STANDARDS AS, UH, ANYTHING ELSE WITH DESIGN PRESERVATION IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
UH, HAVE YOU, I'M, I'M CONCERNED WHETHER OR NOT, I MEAN, IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL.
I WISH EVERYBODY SAW THIS PRESENTATION.
IT ALSO SMELLS GOOD RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY, THEY BROUGHT SAMPLES OR SOMETHING.
UH, BUT I, I WONDER IF, IF YOU'VE DONE SOME DEMONSTRATIONS OR PRESENTATIONS TO THE LOCAL, UH, NEIGHBORS, RESIDENTS AROUND THERE, UH, BE, UH, BECAUSE SOME OF THEM WOULD BE GREATLY AFFECTED.
I THINK THIS IS REALLY NICE BUILDING, UH, UH, WHICH HAS ALL THIS TILE IN FRONT OF IT AND EVERYTHING AND JUST, YOU KNOW, GET THEIR INPUT.
ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE CHOICES OF LOCATIONS.
UH, JUST IT INVOLVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT SHOULD BE GIVEN.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, NO ONE WANTS THE SMELL.
SEEING NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT, WE WILL, UM, GO BACK TO ANY COMMENTS, UH, FROM BOARD MEMBERS ON THIS? SANDY, UH, YOU MADE THE COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING THAT I THINK THIS IS PART OF A PUBLIC ART.
I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE PUTTING TILE LIKE THIS ON THE BUILDING CONSTITUTE PUBLIC ART.
THE, THE ELECTRICAL PANELS THAT ARE EXISTING WAR AND ART AND PUBLIC PLACES PROJECTS.
SO THAT KIND OF MIRRORED BLUE TILE IS A, IS AN ART PIECE BY WENDY WISHER, BUT THIS DOES NOT HAVE AN ART IN PUBLIC PLACES COMPONENT.
THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO KIND OF BLEND IN BY INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, A, A SIMPLE TILE.
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ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENT BOARD COMMENTS? NO, MY, I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD BE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT TILE THAT'S BEEN PUT ON LIKE THE 41ST STREET BRIDGES AND WHATNOT, PEOPLE GO AND THEY PRY THEM ALL OFF.THESE ARE A LITTLE LARGER TILES, SO MAYBE YOU WON'T HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM.
BUT, UH, YEARS AGO AT THE END OF, FROM 24TH STREET, LIKE TO 42ND, THEY HAD LITTLE ROUND COLUMNS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NAMES OF THE STREET, YOU KNOW, 24TH STREET, 25TH, AND THEY WERE ALL TILED AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN REMOVED BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT, UM, PEOPLE JUST MISUSED THEM.
AND, AND OH, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WENT WITH THE PROPOSAL THAT, UH, WE'VE SHARED WITH YOU TODAY.
I THINK THOSE WILL BE LESS LIKELY TO BE PRIED OFF.
BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT WHEN YOU USE THE, THE ARTIST PIECE OR YOU HAVE SOMETHING OF INTEREST, UM, THEY TEND TO BE, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ON THE CORNERS WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GONNA PUT LIKE A METAL CORN? I MEAN, NO, IT'LL HAVE A TILE FINISH, A CORNER FINISH TO GO UP.
I THINK YOU JUST ASK FOR SOMEBODY TO TRY AND PRY IT OFF IF YOU DON'T HAVE A, A, A METAL CORNER, YOU KNOW, UH, FINISH ON, ON ON THE FOUR CORNERS.
I KNOW THERE WAS A DISC KIND OF, IT'S MORE OF A QUESTION THAN A COMMENT, QUITE FRANKLY.
UM, IN THE VIDEO THAT YOU SHOWED, SHOWED SOME, UM, SHRUBBERY TREES NEXT TO IT.
AND I KNOW THERE WAS MENTION OF IT BEING SIX FEET FROM THIS OR SIX FEET, SIX INCHES FROM THE SIDEWALK.
'CAUSE IT'S A VERY NARROW SPACE.
BUT IS THE RENDERING IN THE VIDEO ACCURATE THAT THERE IS PLANS TO PUT LANDSCAPING LIKE ON THE SIDES OF THE STRUCTURE TO FURTHER SHIELD IT FROM VIEW AND PERHAPS VANDALISM,
THE, THE THREE OTHER SIDES NOT FACING THE SIDEWALK WOULD HAVE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE PERIMETER, BUT THE ONE FACING THE STATION CLOSEST TO THE PANEL WOULD HAVE JUST THE TILE WALL TO MIMIC THE GLASS MOSAIC INSTALLATION THERE.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE FOOTPRINT TO PUT, UH, LANDSCAPING ON THAT PORTION.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE PART THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE LANDSCAPE.
IS THAT THE EAST? THAT WOULD BE THE EASTERN PORTION.
UM, SO YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PROPOSED LOCATIONS AND YOU TALK ABOUT THE SPACE IN WHICH YOU HAVE TO WORK, RIGHT? UM, AND MAYBE THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE MANHOLES BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT THE STRUCTURE'S ROTATED.
IT'S, IT APPEARS TO BE ROTATED AT LEAST YEAH.
SO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF IS ROTATED.
SO IT'S, UM, UM, IT WOULD HAVE A NORTH SOUTH ALIGNMENT, UH, AS A RECTANGULAR SHAPE, UM, IN EITHER, IN EITHER LOCATION.
IT'S JUST OFFSET SLIGHTLY EITHER WAY.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT, WAS, THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS REPRESENTED IN THE DRAWING.
AND SO MY QUESTION WAS, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
IF IT WERE A, A NORTH-SOUTH ORIENTATION IN BOTH INSTANCES, DOES THAT GIVE YOU MORE CLEARANCE ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER? CAN IT BE A NORTH-SOUTH? WELL, OPTION ONE AND TWO, ONE PRESERVE THE TREE.
TWO, WE HAVE TO REMOVE THE TREE, SO WE PREFER OPTION ONE.
UM, SEEING NOT A LOT OF FURTHER COMMENT, BOARD COMMENT, I'LL JUST WEIGH IN AND SAY THAT I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I I I, I NEVER LIKE PROJECTS THAT ADD MORE STUFF ON OUR SIDEWALKS, WHICH ARE ALREADY PRETTY CROWDED WITH A LOT OF THINGS.
I UNDERSTAND THE, THE NEED FOR THIS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS ARE REALLY, UM, TRYING TO SAVE TREES, WHICH I THINK IS, UH, VERY IMPORTANT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I HOPE THAT YOU'LL, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY YOU'LL, THAT THE, THAT THE LANDSCAPE THAT YOU PROPOSE WILL THRIVE, UM, THERE, AND THAT THE, THERE'LL BE MAINTENANCE DONE TO THE TILES SO THAT IT REMAINS, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE TILE TURNS THE CORNER AT THE TOP.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S AN EASY POINT FOR IT TO SEPARATE FROM THE STRUCTURE OR NOT.
BUT, UH, MAYBE THERE'S SOME, SOME WAY THAT YOU GUYS CAN MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S, UM, THAT'S RESILIENT ABSOLUTELY.
TO PUBLIC, UM, PUBLIC INTER INTERACTION.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, WITH THAT, I WOULD, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED, UM, UH, AS YOU PROPOSE IT WITH, I GUESS POSITION ONE.
AND WE'LL ENSURE THAT WE, UH, WE FINISH THIS OFF TO LAST AS WELL.
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO WITH OPTION NUMBER ONE TO SAVE THE TWO TREES THAT ARE THERE AND, AND APPROVE THIS.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND HER.
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OKAY.[8. HPB24-0644, 100 Lincoln Road CU-1.]
NEXT APPLICATION IS HPV 24 0 6 4 4.THIS IS 100 LINCOLN ROAD, CU ONE.
AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR FACADE MODIFICATIONS TO THE COMMERCIAL UNIT, CU ONE LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JAKE FOR OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
THIS IS IN THE DECO PLUS CONDOMINIUM BUILDING, WHICH WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1965 AND IS CLASSIFIED AS NON-CONTRIBUTING.
THE SCOPE OF WORK IS LIMITED TO THE RETAIL STORE AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WAS FORMERLY A WALGREENS, A NEW RETAILER.
ALOE IS MOVING IN AND PROPOSING MODIFICATIONS TO THE COLLINS AVENUE IN LINCOLN ROAD FACADES, INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF THE LOW OVERHANG AND THE INTRODUCTION OF A NEW TOLER, NEW TOLER STOREFRONTS, AND A VERTICAL ALUMINUM CLOUDING.
TREATMENT STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS, AS THEY WILL NOT HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE EXISTING NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING OR THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BUT WOULD RECOMMEND REFINEMENT OF THE TRANSITION TO THE STOREFRONTS TO REMAIN ALONG COLLINS AVENUE.
WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION AND LOOKS FORWARD TO THE REACTIVATION OF THIS PROMINENT CORNER RETAIL SPACE, WHICH HAS BEEN VACANT FOR NEARLY 10 YEARS.
IF I COULD JUST ADD, UM, WITH REGARD TO KIND OF THE TRANSITION AREA WHERE IT INTERSECTS WITH, WITH THE, UH, ADDITIONAL STOREFRONTS THAT ARE NOT PART OF THIS PROPOSAL.
UM, I KNOW THE, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THOSE ADJACENT TENANTS, UM, TRYING TO ADDRESS STAFF'S COMMENT AS WELL.
THEY ACTUALLY SUBMITTED, UH, A PROPOSAL TO STAFF JUST A FEW DAYS AGO, WHICH I BELIEVE IS GONNA BE PART OF THEIR PRESENTATION.
SO I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT AND I THINK, UH, WE HAVE A SOLUTION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FOR JAKE OR DEBBIE ABOUT THE, UM, STAFF REPORT AT THIS POINT? SEEING NONE? UH, YES.
UM, WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE TO BE SWORN IN FIRST.
COULD YOU RAISE YOUR, COULD YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.
MATT AMSTER WITH THE LAW FIRM OF BURKE, HOWER DE FERNANDEZ.
LARKIN AND TAP OFFICES IS AT 200 SOUTH PI GAIN BOULEVARD IN MIAMI HERE TODAY, REPRESENTING 100 LINCOLN ROAD, LLC, UH, WHICH IS AN AFFILIATE OF ALO, LLC.
AND, UH, THAT IS THE OWNER AND APPLICANT.
UM, THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL UNITS, UH, AT THE DELEAGE, UH, SPECIFICALLY CU 1 2 39 AND 40.
UH, THIS IS THE PROMINENT SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LINCOLN ROAD AND COLLINS AVENUE.
IT HAD FOR MANY YEARS A WALGREENS STORE.
UM, HOWEVER, THAT HAS BEEN DORMANT AND VACANT FOR A GOOD NINE YEARS NOW.
AND, UH, ALOE IS HERE TO COME TO THE RESCUE.
AND FINALLY, UH, REACTIVATE, UH, THIS PROMINENT CORNER, UM, WITH US TODAY.
AND WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION IF THAT CAN BE BROUGHT UP.
UM, WE HAVE FROM ALOE JACKIE, BB MANUKIAN, UH, HEAD OF ARCHITECTURE AND STORE DESIGN.
UH, NEXT TO ME IS DANIEL MCFARLAND, OUR ARCHITECT FROM LALE MARCH.
ARCHITECTS, UH, AND MY COLLEAGUE FROM THE FIRM, BEN SHERRY, UH, HANDED OUT TO YOU, UH, WHAT DEBBIE WAS REFERRING TO.
UM, THE COLLINS AVENUE FRONTAGE IS BASICALLY ROUGHLY HALF, UH, OWNED BY ALOE AND HALF OWNED BY ANOTHER OWNER, WHICH IS GFI INVESTMENTS INCORPORATED.
AND I BELIEVE THAT A REPRESENTATIVE MAY BE ON ZOOM, UH, FROM THAT GROUP.
UM, BUT WE'VE REACHED OUT AND HAD MANY MEETINGS WITH THEM IN ORDER TO ADDRESS WHAT, UH, DEBBIE CALLED OUT ANYWAY, IS THE TRANSITION BETWEEN THE, THE TWO, UH, UNITS, RIGHT? OURS IS, UH, FOR, UM, RE REDOING THE STOREFRONTS NOW, BUT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING FRONTAGE ON THOSE SOUTHERN UNITS.
SO, UM, PLEASED TO SAY THAT WE HAVE COME TO AN AGREEMENT, UH, AND, UH, THE CODE ACTUALLY DOES REQUIRE WHEN WE MAKE AN AGREEMENT, RIGHT, WITH ANY, ANYONE FOR EITHER SUPPORT OR AN AGREEMENT NOT TO OBJECT THAT WE HAVE TO FORMALLY, UM, STATE THAT ON THE RECORD, WHICH I'M DOING RIGHT NOW, AS WELL AS PROVIDE THIS IN WRITING, UH, WHICH WE GAVE, UH, BOTH BY EMAIL AND HARD COPIES A FEW MINUTES AGO, UH, TO DEBBIE AND TO NICK.
UH, THE, UH, THE, THE ESSENCE OF
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OUR AGREEMENT WITH OUR NEIGHBOR.UM, YOU DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH YOUR PLANS NECESSARILY, UM, THAT'S INCLUDED IN OUR PRESENTATION.
DANIEL WILL WILL WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT WE'VE AGREED, BUT WE BASICALLY, UM, THE LITTLE TOP PAGE WAS BASICALLY TO ADD THAT WE HOPE IN YOUR, UH, VOTE OF, FOR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, THAT WE INCLUDE THIS EXHIBIT THAT WE'VE HANDED OUT AS EXHIBIT A TO SUPPLEMENT OUR ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED DOCUMENTS SO THAT THIS AGREEMENT AND THIS, UH, TRANSITION BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES CAN BE REFLECTED, UH, IN THE RECORD AS PART OF THE APPROVAL.
WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DANIEL.
UM, I'VE SORT OF ALREADY GONE OVER THE BASICS OF THE SITE.
UM, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO BRINGING LIFE BACK TO THE CORNER HERE AT, UH, COLLINS AND LINCOLNS.
IT'S, LIKE YOU SAY, IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS, UH, DORMANT, SO REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO MAKING IT EXCITING AGAIN.
UM, JUST, UH, REAL, UH, BRIEFLY, UH, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH ALOE, WHO THEY ARE, UH, THEY'RE PROBABLY MOST WELL KNOWN FOR THEIR YOGA APPAREL.
UM, THEY STRIVE TO MAKE THE BEST YOGA APPAREL IN THE WORLD.
UM, THEY'RE ALSO A BRAND WITH A COMMITMENT TO, TO WELLNESS AND FITNESS, MINDFULNESS.
UM, AND THEY DO THAT, UM, THROUGH THEIR STORES, BUT ALSO, UH, THROUGH WELLNESS CENTERS THAT THEY'RE CREATING.
AND THIS PROJECT WILL INCLUDE ONE OF THOSE WELLNESS CENTERS, ONE OF FOUR, UH, INTERNATIONALLY, UH, THE OTHERS BEING, UM, UH, SEOUL, KOREA, LONDON, AND BEVERLY HILLS.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING THIS AS A, AS AS PART OF THEIR, UH, CORE COLLECTION OF WELLNESS CENTERS.
SO, EXCUSE ME, THESE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES OF, UM, ALOE SANCTUARIES.
THEY CALL THE STORE SANCTUARIES, SANCTUARIES, UH, ACROSS THE GLOBE.
UM, WHILE THEY ALWAYS ARE LOOKING FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKING A PRESENCE ON THE STREET, UM, OFTEN WE'RE WORKING IN HISTORICAL DISTRICTS SUCH AS THIS ONE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE YOU WANNA MAKE YOUR PRESENCE, BUT WITH, BUT WITHOUT OVERWHELMING THE CONTEXT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE ALWAYS STRIVE TO DO.
SO, UH, THE INTERIORS, THESE ARE, THESE ARE SHOTS OF OTHER LOCATIONS, ALLO LOCATIONS.
THE INTERIORS STRIVE FOR, UH, MODERN CLEAN LINES.
UM, THE MERCHANDISE IS FAIRLY SPARSE COMPARATIVELY TO OTHER, OTHER RETAILERS.
UH, AND IT REALLY KIND OF GOES FOR A MODERN, ALMOST MUSEUM-LIKE FEEL IN THE INTERIOR.
SO THE OTHER COMPONENT IS THE WELLNESS CENTER.
SO THE WELLNESS CENTER IS KIND OF LIKE A HEALTH CLUB, BUT IT ALSO OFFERS, YOU KNOW, OTHER TREATMENTS.
UM, THERE'S SPECIAL EXCLUSIVE EXPERIENCES LIKE A SNOW ROOM WHERE YOU GO IN AND IT'S SNOWING INSIDE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER, UM, THERE'S PILATES CLASSES, THERE'S A, THERE'S A GYM, UM, BUT ALSO YOGA.
AND THAT'S REALLY CORE OF WHO ALOE IS, IS THIS, UH, UH, COMMITMENT TO YOGA.
SO THAT'S, THERE'S A, AND THIS IS ALL TAUGHT BY THEIR, YOU KNOW, TOP-NOTCH TRAINERS.
THEY'RE REALLY INTO YOGA, I CAN SAY THAT.
SO THE, UM, THE, THE SITE IS HERE, UH, UM, COLLINS AND LINCOLN, YOU KNOW, SUPER PROMINENT.
UM, THE CORNER ENTRY IS THE STORE ENTRY AND THE WELLNESS ENTRY IS ON LINCOLN ROAD, WHICH WE'LL SEE.
THIS SHOWS THE, THE SURVEY OF THE INTERIOR.
THIS IS THE, UM, THE FOUR UNITS THAT, UM, MATTHEW DESCRIBED, WHICH ARE, UH, WHICH WERE THE FORMER WALGREENS UNITS.
SO IT'S THE EXACT SAME FOOTPRINT AS, AS THE WALGREENS WAS.
UH, THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED IN THIS PART OF THE OCEAN DRIVE, COLLINS AVENUE, UH, DISTRICT, UM, BUT NOT A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITION.
UM, AND OF COURSE IT'S VACANT, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THIS LOW CANOPY, UM, CREATING SOMEWHAT OF A CAVERNOUS FEELING ON THE SIDEWALK.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE REALLY WANNA WORK, NOT WORK WITH.
UM, AND I THINK, AND THIS, THIS SHOWS THE ADJACENT, THE ADJACENT, UH, UH, YOU SHOULD SPEAK TO THIS.
YEAH, JUST, UH, AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE BASICALLY ALL THE BLACK IS THE ALOE STORE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOOTPRINT AND EVEN, UH, INTERIOR.
BUT THE YELLOW OUTLINE IS, UH, OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH.
I KNOW THEY'VE NOW SWITCHED, SO THE TOP IS SOUTH.
AND THAT, THAT'S HOW YOU CAN SEE JUST THAT ROUGHLY SPEAKING, EACH HAS ABOUT HALF OF THAT FRONTAGE.
AND SO THAT TRANSITION, WHICH AGAIN WE'LL GET TO ON THE EXTERIOR, UH, THIS JUST OUTLINES, UH, WHERE THAT TAKES PLACE.
AND, AND JUST AS A POINT OF CONTEXT, NORTH IS, UM, NOT UP.
SO AT THE, UH, AT THE SOUTH SIDE, UH, IS THE ENTRY TO THE PARKING AND LOADING AREA, TO THE DECO PLOT.
AND JUST TO THE EAST, THERE IS THE, UH, ANOTHER IS A PARKING GARAGE ENTRY RIGHT NEXT TO THE PORTICO SHARE OF THE DECOLLAGE.
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A LITTLE PLANTED AREA AT THE, AT THE END.SO I THINK THIS, THIS SLIDE REALLY SHOWS KIND OF THE CORE OF WHAT THE TRANSFORMATION THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS, IS TO TAKE THE, TAKE THE STREET STREETSCAPE AND LITERALLY ELEVATE IT FROM WHERE IT IS NOW AT EIGHT FOOT SIX UP TO 14 FEET.
UM, THIS REQUIRES REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING CONCRETE CANOPY AND ITS STRUCTURE AND RESTRUCTURING THE FACADE HIGHER.
UM, THE, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE OF THE ROOF ALLOWS FOR A 14 FOOT CEILING, SO THE GLASS AND THE CEILING JUST GO STRAIGHT IN.
SO EVERYTHING, UM, IS REALLY GONNA COME INSIDE AND OUT, IS REALLY GONNA SPEAK TO EACH OTHER A A LOT MORE THAN IT, THAN IT DOES NOW.
UM, DEBBIE, I MEAN, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED WORKING WITH WORK WITH DEBBIE, SHE HAD SUGGESTED, YOU KNOW, WE GOT RID OF THIS CANOPY, LIKE, HOW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S MAINTAIN SOME PROTECTION.
AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO THAT, BUT WITH THE CANOPY MUCH HIGHER, WE'RE ALSO MAKING IT SHALLOWER.
SO IT'S A LOT LESS, OPPRESSIVE IS A STRONG WORD, BUT
UM, THIS SHOWS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, INTERIOR AND EXIT, THIS IS THE WALGREENS PLAN, BEFORE YOU WOULD LOOK INTO, YOU KNOW, STANDARD DRUGSTORE AISLES, NOT REALLY MUCH TO LOOK AT, AT, UM, THE ALOE PLAN IS FAR MORE OPEN, ESPECIALLY AT THE PERIMETER.
SO, UM, THE AREA ON THE LOWER RIGHT IS THE STORE.
UH, THERE ARE STORE FIXTURES IN THERE WHICH ARE NOT SHOWN IN THIS PLAN, BUT THEY'RE FAIRLY SPARSE.
AND THEN THE, ALONG THE, ALONG THE, UH, COLLINS, EXCUSE ME, ALONG LINCOLN, UM, IS THE ENTRY TO THE HEALTH CLUB, WHICH IS, WHICH IS SEPARATE.
IT SEEMS LIKE A, A MORE APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THE ENTRY TO THE HEALTH CLUB.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S A LITTLE MORE PRIVATE, CLOSER TO THE DELEAGE ENTRY.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE CORNER IS THE OBVIOUS PLACE TO PUT THE ENTRY TO THE STORE, WHICH IS WHERE THE WALGREENS ENTRY WAS AS WELL.
UM, THIS SHOWS THE ROOF CONDITION WITH THE NEW CANOPY.
THE NEW CANOPY IS THREE FOOT SEVEN DEEP, UM, THAT'S 14 FEET HIGH.
UH, THEN WE ARE, UH, WE'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, REMOVING A LOT OF EQUIPMENT FROM THE LOW ROOF THERE.
AND WE DO HAVE A LOCATION WHERE WE HAVE SOME HVH EQUIPMENT THERE.
UM, BUT THIS SHOWS THE RELATIONSHIP, UM, OF THE SIDEWALK TO THE CANOPY.
UM, IT ALSO SHOWS A CONDITION AT THE END THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH A NEIGHBOR ON, WHICH IS THE, UM, A SMALL NEUTRAL ZONE, WHICH WE'LL SEE IN A RENDERING SOON.
UM, BUT ALSO A CANOPY SECTION WHERE THERE WAS, UM, SOME SENSITIVITY TO ABOUT DRAINAGE OF THE HIGHER CANOPY ONTO THE LOWER CANOPY.
SO WE'RE GONNA PITCH THE HIGHER CANOPY AWAY FROM THE LOWER CANOPY, SO THERE'S NO, UM, FALL FROM ONE ONTO THE NEXT.
HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO YOU NEED? UH, I'LL WRAP IT UP QUICK.
UH, LET'S GO BACK TO THIS SECTION.
SO THIS SHOWS THE SECTION OF THE CANOPY AND THE RELATIONSHIP.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S 14 FOOT HIGH WITH A 14 FOOT CEILING.
THIS SHOWS THE, REALLY THE COMPARISON OF, OF OLD TO NEW.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THERE THE LOW CANOPY, THAT IS WHAT WILL BE DEMOLISHED AND MOVED UP.
THIS IS A SIGHT LINE STUDY SHOWING, UM, HOW THE CANOPY RELATES TO THE ENTIRE STREET SCAPE ACROSS LINCOLN ROAD, UM, SHOWING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DO HAVE SOME MECHANICAL UNITS WE'RE PROPOSING THERE.
THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE FROM ACROSS THE STREET.
AND THEN THIS SHOWS THAT THE CORNER ENTRY, SO THIS CANOPY IS CONSTRUCTED OF ALUMINUM TUBES, WHICH ARE POWDER COATED OR KIN COATED.
SO THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT CORROSIVE, IT'S HOLLOW.
UM, SO IT, IT CREATES A, A, YOU KNOW, A PATTERN KIND OF LIKE THIS.
UM, IT'S SLIGHTLY INSPIRED BY, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE A LOT OF, UH, SCREENS IN MIMO ARCHITECTURE.
WE SORT OF STARTED WITH AN IDEA OF THAT, BUT THEN THIS IS SORT OF MORE MODERNIZED, UM, AND, AND, AND, AND MORE DELICATE NEXT.
SO THE, THE HOLLOWNESS ALLOWS US TO PUT LIGHTS WITHIN IT.
SO AT NIGHT IT WILL GLOW FROM THE INSIDE OUT LIKE A LANTERN.
THE, THE ENERGY CODE WON'T ALLOW TOO MUCH
THIS SHOWS, UM, THE CONDITION AT THE, UH, WHERE WE TRANSITION TO THE NEIGHBOR, THE RED LINE IS ACTUALLY THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THE, THE EXISTING CANOPY WILL EXTEND OVER THE PROPERTY LINE TO MAINTAIN, UM, THE, UH, PROTECTION TO WHERE THE, THE NEIGHBOR HAS, UH, OUTDOOR SEATING.
THE, THE END OF THE CANOPY, UH, WILL ALSO TERMINATE IN A CURVE.
SO THERE'S A SORT OF DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE NEW AND THE EXISTING CANOPY ENDING WITH A CURVE.
YOU CAN SEE THE CURVE NIGHTTIME SHOT.
THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBOR'S PERSPECTIVE.
AND, AND THEN ONE MORE, ONE MORE
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THAT BEEPING.THIS SHOWS THE, THIS SHOWS THE, UM, THE ENTRY ALONG LINCOLN.
UH, ONE THING I DO WANNA SAY IS THERE ARE, THERE ARE THREE LOCATIONS WHERE THESE SCREEN ELEMENTS COME THE WHOLE WAY DOWN TO THE SIDEWALK.
UM, AND THEY PRO THEY HAPPEN WHERE WE WANNA PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE PRIVACY, LIKE AT THE HEALTH CLUB ENTRY OR ON, ON THE, UH, COLLINS SIDE, THERE'S A LOCATION WHERE THERE'S A BUILDING EGRESS CORRIDOR, AND WE'RE USING THESE, UM, VERTICAL SLATS TO, TO, TO UNIFY THE STRUC, UNIFY THE VISUALS OVER THAT EGRESS CORRIDOR.
THE BASE IS CAST STONE FOR DURABILITY, WATERPROOFING ANOTHER NIGHTTIME SHOT.
UH, ONE THING I'D JUST LIKE TO DISCUSS QUICKLY IS WE DO, I KNOW THERE'S REAL SENSITIVE TO ENCLOSED SHOW WINDOWS, AND WE ARE PROPOSING ONE ALONG LINCOLN.
UM, IT'S BRACKET BY TWO COMPLETELY OPEN, UH, STOREFRONTS.
AND, AND, AND SO WHAT THAT IS, IT'S GONNA BE LIT WITH MANNEQUINS, 14 FOOT TALL, COMPLETELY ILLUMINATED WITH MERCHANDISE.
IT WILL BE VERY BRIGHT, BUT, AND I DON'T THINK IT WILL, UM, REALLY BE SEEN AS BLOCKING VIEWS INTO THE STORE OR AS ANY KIND OF HINDRANCE TO THE, TO THE STREET EXPERIENCE.
JUST REAL QUICK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, A TRUE AND MUCH NEEDED ADAPTIVE REUSE TO FINALLY ACTIVATE THIS LONG DORMANT COMMERCIAL CORNER.
UH, THE PROJECT, UH, WE FEEL SATISFIES ALL THE APPLICABLE CRITERIA FOR BOTH THE DEMOLITION OF THE STOREFRONTS AND THEN THE NEW DESIGN, UH, AS WELL AS BEING FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH OUR NEIGHBOR BASED ON OUR AGREEMENT TO PUT IN THAT, UH, NEUTRAL ZONE AS APPROPRIATE, APPROPRIATE TRANSITION.
UH, AND THEN IT, WE BELIEVE, UH, FULLY AND IN FACT, UH, UH, ACTIVATES AND WILL BE A CATALYST FOR THE FURTHER REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA.
UH, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST APPROVAL OF BOTH DEMOLITION AND THE PROPOSED DESIGN WITH, OF COURSE, UH, AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THIS EXHIBIT A THAT WE HANDED OUT FOR THE TRANSITION TO BE ADDED, UH, TO THE RECORD.
WE AGREE WITH ALL OTHER STAFF CONDITIONS, UH, AND OUR TEAM IS ENTIRELY AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
AND WE'LL RESERVE ANY TIME SHOULD WE BE NEEDED FOR REBUTTAL.
UM, NOW ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION BACK TO DEBBIE.
DID YOU SAY THIS WAS A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING? YES.
SO, UH, MY QUESTION WOULD BE WAY BACK IN 1998, WITH IT BEING A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING, WHY DID, UH, THIS BOARD RE REQUIRE ALL OF THE STOREFRONT WINDOWS TO BE MAINTAINED, WHICH WALGREENS DIDN'T WANT? SO THEY BLOCKED THEM OFF.
AND THEN WE HAD ART WINDOWS, UH, THAT WERE, UH, OVERSEEN BY OLI.
IF IT WAS A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING, WHY WOULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? SO THERE, THERE IS A CRITERIA IN, IN OUR, UH, REVIEW THAT IS MORE ABOUT CONNECTING THE PUBLIC REALM WITH THE, WITH THE PRIVATE AREA IN TERMS OF TRANSPARENCY INTO A SPACE KIND OF IN THE, IT'S REALLY GOOD TO URBAN DESIGN TO HAVE ACTIVE STOREFRONTS, SO TO WHAT WALGREENS WANT.
I WASN'T HERE IN 1998, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
BUT WHAT I BELIEVE THEY WANTED TO DO WAS JUST BLOCK ALL THE STOREFRONTS IN TO REMOVE THAT ACTIVITY FROM THE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PASSERBY AND THE SIDEWALK.
AND THE COMPROMISE WAS TO ALLOW CERTAIN STOREFRONTS TO BE BLOCKED IN, BUT TO PROGRAM THEM WITH, WITH ART SPACE.
SO IT'S THE SAME CRITERIA THAT WE, A VERY SIMILAR CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE OUTSIDE OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, ALTHOUGH IT CAN BE TIED TO, BECAUSE IT'S A HISTORIC BUILDING, IT NEEDS TO HAVE THIS TRANSPARENCY.
UM, IN TERMS OF GOOD PRACTICE FOR URBAN DESIGN, WE, WE FOCUS ON THAT CITYWIDE.
I HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION NOW.
CAN I ASK THE APPLICANT, WHAT IS THE, UM, DEPTH OF THE CANOPY ON THE SIDEWALK NOW ON YOUR BUILDING? UH, EIGHT FEET.
AND WHAT IS THE CANOPY ON THE NEW DESIGN? THREE FOOT SEVEN AT 14 FEET? YES.
THE DEPTH OF THE EXISTING IS EIGHT, SIX, IT'S ALMOST A SQUARE UNDERNEATH.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO, NO QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT THEN, UM, BOARD DISCLOSURES, ANY DISCLOSURES ON THIS APPLICATION? NO, NO.
SEEING NONE OPENING TO PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND PLEASE COME FORWARD.
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HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THIS, THIS PROJECT, IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR SO LONG.IT'S GONNA MAKE A REAL BIG DIFFERENCE IN WHAT ACTUALLY IS A VERY HISTORIC CORNER.
AS, AS MANY OF YOU MIGHT KNOW, UH, THE ENTRANCE TO CALL FISHER'S, UH, HOME.
UH, HE'LL BE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE A YOGA PLACE THERE.
UH, UH, BUT IT REALLY WILL REVITALIZE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'D BE A GREAT PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, UH, IF YOU CAN KIND OF WORK ON ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE TOO.
BUT, UH, WE WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY FOR IT.
I THINK THAT, UH, UH, CLOSES PUBLIC HEARING WE HAVE, UM, ON ZOOM, RUSSELL GALBIT.
HI, RUSSELL, DO YOU SWEAR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I, SO THANK YOU.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT I AM SO EXCITED TO SEE ALO, UM, COME TO THIS CORNER AND TO ACTUALLY SEE AN ACTIVE AND BEAUTIFUL USE LIKE THIS.
I THINK THE LINCOLN ROAD STREET END IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT STREET ENDS WE HAVE ON MIAMI BEACH.
AND AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY TO, TO HELP LINCOLN ROAD THROUGHOUT THIS PERIOD OF TIME AND MANY, MANY YEARS.
AND I JUST WANT TO THANK ALOE FOR SELECTING LINCOLN ROAD.
I THINK IT'S A STREET THAT'S INCREDIBLE.
IT'S, UH, IT'S SMEARED IN THE HISTORY AND THE, AND THE FOUNDATION OF MIAMI BEACH.
UH, AND, UM, AND REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE STILL HAVE ROSIE IN THE CANOPY PARK IN SOUTH BEACH.
AND ROSIE, AS MOST OF YOU SHOULD KNOW, OR MOST OF YOU DO KNOW, IS THE ELEPHANT THAT HELPED BUILD LINCOLN ROAD, UM, AND HELP BUILD THE STREET AND WITH CARL FISHER'S HOUSE THEREIN.
SO, UM, THE USE IS ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIC.
UH, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO SEE IT.
UM, AND, UH, WE HOPE THAT THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD EXPEDITIOUSLY.
UH, I SEE NO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO COMMENT.
UH, SO NOW IT'S TIME FOR A BOARD MEMBER COMMENT ON THE PROJECT AND BOARD DISCUSSION.
UM, I, I THINK THAT THE REMOVAL OF THE CANOPY IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE FOR THE PEDESTRIAN, ESPECIALLY FACING WEST.
IT IS THE MOST HOSTILE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THE INTERSECTION IS ALSO WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE STOP FOR CROSSING THE STREET.
IF IT'S RAINING, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SHELTER, YOU WILL NOT GET IT FROM A THREE FOOT OVERHANG AT 14 FEET.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S VIRTUALLY NO CANOPY ON THE NEW DESIGN.
THERE'S A, A, A GESTURE TO IT, BUT IT'S NOT A CANOPY.
AND I THINK IT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT ALL OF THAT WILL BE LOST WITH THIS DESIGN.
I DON'T THINK AT, UM, EXTENDING A CANOPY OUT WOULD HURT THE DESIGN AT ALL.
AND IT WOULD PROVIDE A MUCH, MUCH IMPROVED PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND HOW DO YOU INCREASE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SHELTER FROM THE SUN IN THE AFTERNOON, FROM THE WEST FACING AND FROM THE RAIN, WHICH WE GET ALL SUMMER LONG IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO I I I, I REALLY HOPE WE CAN PROMOTE SOMETHING BETTER THAN JUST A THREE FOOT AT 14 FEET.
IT'S VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE MY WHOLE POINT WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS IS I DIDN'T LIKE THE FACT THAT WE LOST THE EYEBROW.
YOU TURNED THE EYEBROW INTO AN OVERHANG WHEN YOU, YOU BROUGHT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, UH, RIGHT OUT TO THE VERY EDGE.
AND IF THE EYEBROW CONTINUED FURTHER, THEN YOU'D MAINTAIN SOME CHARACTER THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE WITH THE BUILDING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANTED TO RAISE IT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'VE SHOWED THE, THE TRANSITION NOW, BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT EYEBROW GO OUT FURTHER.
MAYBE NOT ALL THE WAY TO THE EIGHT FEET OR WHATEVER, BUT TO SHOW AS AN EYEBROW, NOT JUST AS AN OVERHANG.
UH, AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY COMMENT.
RAY, NOTHING FROM YOUR HOUSEHOLD.
LINDSAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT? I, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE SUGGESTIONS MADE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL COVERAGE FOR PEDESTRIANS, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, YEAH, I'M, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK RUSSELL SAID SIMILAR TO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO THE ACTIVATION OF THIS BLOCK, THIS CORNER.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE BEEN EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT SINCE I FIRST HEARD IT WAS HAPPENING, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE IT, YOU KNOW, COME TAKING SHAPE AND COMING BEFORE US.
UM, SO I, GENERALLY I'M IN SUPPORT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND IF THERE ARE MODIFICATIONS TO IMPROVE IT, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT EITHER.
LINDSAY PASCAL, THE ARCHITECT.
UH, WHY DID YOU CHOOSE THREE FOOT SEVEN? IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, WHAT INITIALLY STARTED OFF AT THREE FEET, BUT BECAUSE THE ADDITION OF THE, OF THE, UM, LOWER TUBES, UH, WE JUST THOUGHT THREE FEET WAS THREE
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FOOT WAS ENOUGH TO PROVIDE A SMALL AMOUNT OF COVERAGE.I COULD, I AGREE THAT CERTAINLY IN A, IN A GALE WIND OR A LOT OF RAIN, IT'S NOT GONNA HELP.
BUT WE THOUGHT IT WAS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT.
WE WANTED TO KEEP OUR PROJECTION MINIMUM TO KEEP OUR EXPOSURE WITHIN TO THE MAXIMUM.
BEFORE IT WAS, I MEAN, TO RAISE POINT, BOTH RAY, UH, IT WAS ONE TO ONE, ESSENTIALLY IT WAS EIGHT FEET, EIGHT AND A HALF FEET ABOVE THE STREET LEVEL.
UM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO, TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS, GO OUT SUBSTANTIALLY TO PROVIDE ANY COVERAGE.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
AND FROM A VISUAL STANDPOINT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE IF YOU'RE STANDING ACROSS THE STREET AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE AS WELL.
IS IT NN NO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY ANY, ANY KEEPING US FROM EXTENDING IT.
I MEAN, CERTAINLY GIVEN THE COMMENTS, THIS IS THE, SOUNDS LIKE THE CRITICAL ISSUE.
UM, WE CERTAINLY CAN GO OUT, IT'S JUST WE ENCROACH INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY MORE.
BUT I THINK THAT THE EXISTING ONE DOES THAT ANYWAY.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE THERE WITH THE CANOPY ENCROACHING.
SO WE CERTAINLY CAN EXPLORE PULLING IT OUT.
I THINK THE
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE UP 14 FEET UP IN THE AIR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO ONE TO ONE TO PROVIDE THE SAME COVERAGE AS BEFORE.
I REALIZE THAT SOME WEB THAT WOULD GET THINKING THAT WOULD'VE NO, I WAS, I WAS JUST THINKING IF WE COULD KEEP IT OUT WHERE IT WAS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT THEY'VE RAISED IT, IT, IT, IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE AN EYEBROW.
AND YES, IT'S NOT GONNA PRESENT THE SAME COVERAGE FOR THE PEOPLE UNDERNEATH IT, BUT, UM, I, I DON'T THINK IT, IT, IT HURTS THE INTEGRITY OF THE DESIGN, BUT YET I FEEL THAT IT, IT MAKES IT FEEL MORE LIKE IT WAS BEFORE.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TO ME THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW.
IT JUST, IT'S ALMOST TO THE POINT OF BEING TOO MODERN AND NOT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
UM, I, MY CONCERN WITH BRINGING IT TO EIGHT FEET IS THAT BECAUSE THE, THE, THE NATURE OF THIS THING IS ESSENTIALLY A BOX MADE OUT OF TUBES IS THAT IT MIGHT START TO FEEL HEAVY, LIKE A BIG MASS.
UM, I, RIGHT NOW IT'S SOMEWHAT SLENDER AND IT HAS THAT PORTION TO IT.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT AS DEEP AS IT IS TALL.
SO I'M A LITTLE BIT, I, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT REQUIRE A STUDY.
I MEAN, I THINK WE GET UP TO PROBABLY FIVE FEET.
I THINK EIGHT, IT'S GONNA MAYBE FEEL BULKY.
I JUST, RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A VISOR, YOU KNOW.
WELL, I WOULD, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT YOU WOULD BRING THE TUBES OUT TO THE EIGHT FEET.
I WOULD THINK YOU'D LEAVE THEM WHERE THEY ARE.
OH, JUST SO THAT YOU HAVE THE SAME FEELING YOU HAVE.
WHEN YOU LOOK THE BUILDING TO THE SAME BUILDING WITH THE OTHER STORAGE, I JUST WANNA, NO, I THINK BRINGING AN EYEBROW TUBES OUT WOULD BE TERRIBLE.
I JUST THIN, THIN LINE OF YOUR, I I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
SO RIGHT NOW THE TUBES SIT ON TOP OF WHAT THE, THE CANOPY ITSELF IS A METAL PLATE VERY THIN.
IT'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT, THAT EYEBROW EYEBROW, AS YOU SAY COULD JUT OUT.
I, I THINK IT'D BE HUGE IMPROVEMENT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE FABULOUS.
I THINK IT REALLY HELP THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU, YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT YOURSELF FOR JUST YOUR PROJECT, BUT I THINK OVERALL, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND, AND IT BRINGS, IT, IT BRINGS THAT LITTLE ART ECHO FLAVOR BACK INTO IT.
I, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A NECESSARY ADDITION.
SO I THINK WE COULD, COULD YOU PLEASE INTRO? UH, SURE.
STEP UP TO THE MIC AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
HI, I'M JACKIE PAUL MANUK AND MATT INTRODUCED ME A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.
UM, I REPRESENT ALO FROM AN ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN STANDPOINT.
UM, WE WORK TOGETHER, NOT NECESSARILY, UH, THE OTHER WAY AROUND, BUT I THINK, UM, THE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED ARE VALID.
UM, I THINK THAT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WAS, UM, WAS REALLY SIMPLIFY THIS CORNER A BIT.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF I'M HEARING CORRECTLY, IF WE'RE TO TAKE THE METAL PLATE AND EXTEND IT OUT EIGHT FEET OR WHATEVER WE DEEM APPROPRIATE, I FEEL LIKE THAT WILL LOOK LIKE A MISTAKE.
I FEEL LIKE IT WILL LOOK LIKE AN ADD-ON.
I THINK WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DEVELOPING JUST THE CEMENT, JUST AN EYEBROW.
THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO MORE CEMENT.
THE CEMENT IS IS YOU, YOU WOULD ADD IT IN WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING, YOU'RE IT OUT.
YOU JUST PUT IT BACK INTO AT HOW WOULD THAT, EXCUSE ME.
HOW WOULD THAT INTEGRATE WITH THE BOX THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD FEEL LIKE A VERY INTEGRATED DESIGN.
WELL, IF YOU WANT MY APPROVAL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT.
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DO YOU WANT THIS DEVELOPMENT? UM, LET ME, LET ME JUST STEP IN HERE BECAUSE, UM, I THINK THE DESIGN AS IT STANDS NOW IS VERY ELEGANT.I THINK THERE IS, UM, IT'LL BE A HUGE ADDITION TO THIS CORNER.
I ALSO THINK IT COULD PROBABLY BE THICKENED A LITTLE SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST THREE FEET.
IT CAN BE, BUT I, I, I ALSO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD ADMIT THAT EVEN IF IT WERE EIGHT FEET, IT'S NOT PROTECTING YOU FROM OUR REIGNS.
UM, SO, OR OUR SUN IN THE WEST.
I, I WORK JUST A BLOCK FROM HERE, UH, IN A BUILDING THAT DOESN'T HAVE EYEBROWS ON IT.
IT'S A, IT'S A CONTRIBUTING, UH, 1940S BUILDING.
AND IT'S A VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, YOU, IT, IT, IT WORKS, IT WORKS WITH BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE OF THE STREAMLINED QUALITY OF THAT BUILDING.
AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT THIS BUILDING IS KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT KIND OF, UH, STREAMLINE MODERN, IT'S ALSO MID-CENTURY MODERN.
IT'S KIND OF PULLING THIS HORIZONTAL, UH, AREA AROUND IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF TO, TO DEEPEN THAT, THAT DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE EDGE OF THE, OF THE A A BIT, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY, I DUNNO, I WOULD SAY TWO FEET MAXIMUM MORE.
AND MAYBE THAT'S ALL BUT I WANTED TO ASK DEBBIE IF SHE THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMETHING STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON.
UM, AND I, I THINK IT, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PUT IN A, A DEEPENING UP TO A MAXIMUM OF, OF TWO ADDITIONAL FEET.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS CAN AGREE TO? YES.
WITHOUT CHANGING, LIKE YES, IT WOULD BE LOOKING LIKE THIS, BUT JUST A LITTLE DEEPER.
WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING WE INCORPORATE IS ACTUALLY BRINGING THE, THE STRUCTURE THAT IS NOW THREE FEET EXTENDING, BRINGING THAT OUT TO, UP TO TWO FEET MORE, MORE, RIGHT.
SO THAT WE'RE NOT THIS FLOATING BOX SITTING OVER US.
BUT ALSO PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT MORE COVERAGE BUT NOT THE EXISTING EIGHT FEET.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, I, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE STOREFRONTS ON LINCOLN ROAD, THERE IS NO COVERAGE.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE CAUGHT IN THE RAIN, YOU'RE CAUGHT IN THE RAIN.
AND I, I HAVEN'T, I LIVE IN A 1930S BUILDING, LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ANY EYEBROWS.
I OPEN MY BACK DOOR AND YOU KNOW, THE WATER DRIPS DOWN ON ME.
YOU KNOW, IT JUST, I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, RAY, BUT I, I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE, UM, TO EXTEND THE EXISTING DESIGN.
UM, AND IT DOES KIND OF HARMONIZE IT, UM, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND AGAIN, I MEAN THE ACTIVATION OF THIS SPACE, I, I THINK IS, IS OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE.
UM, AND YOU'VE, WE'VE GOT A SOLID CONTRIBUTOR WHO WANTS TO COME IN AND PUT INTO THE SPACE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE IN BROOKLYN, THEY'RE IN, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU SAW THE DIFFERENT PLACES THEY ARE.
I MEAN THAT'S SO, SO JUST TO DEFINE IT, LEAVE IT EXACTLY WHERE IT IS NOW.
THE THREE FOOT SEVEN, BUT BRING THE CEMENT PART OF THE EYEBROW OUT.
WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE JUST, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
MAYBE THAT'S, WE'RE JUST NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIMPLY THICKENING THIS ENTIRE PORTION HERE SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST THREE FEET, SEVEN, IT'S ACTUALLY COMING, THE WHOLE THING'S COMING OUT.
SO YOU GET THE SAME COVERAGE THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE WHOLE THING IS A THICKENED EYEBROW ESSENTIALLY.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE NO, IT'S AN OVERHANG.
IT'S IN THE, IT'S AN'S OVERHANG THE SCHEME OF THE, OF THE, YOU GUYS, IF IT WANTS OF THE BUILDING, IT STAYS WHERE IT IS AND THERE'S TWO FEET OF EYEBROW.
IT'S, OTHERWISE IT DOESN'T GET MY VOTE.
DO, SHOULD WE TAKE A STRAW HOLD TO SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD SUPPORT THAT COMPROMISE OF THICKENING THE THICKENING, THE ALOE, ESSENTIALLY AN EYEBROW TO ALLOW FOR IT TO PROVIDE BETTER, MORE SHADE, BUT NOT CHANGING THIS, UM, THIS DESIGN.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT, RANDY? AND YOU'RE NOT, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THIS HASKELL? I'M OKAY.
EXTENDING, EXTENDING THIS WHOLE THING OUT.
AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH I'M, I'M OTHERWISE OKAY.
UH, TO EXTEND THE EYEBROW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ESSENTIALLY TWO ELEMENTS THEN, RIGHT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONCRETE EYEBROW? YEAH.
AND THEN RECESSING THEIR, THE VERTICAL ELEMENTS BACK FROM THAT EYEBROW.
I I THAT'S A COMPLETE DESIGN CHANGE.
I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
JUST, I, I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S A COMPLETE DESIGN CHANGE, RIGHT? IS AND IS THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST EXTENDING THIS AND YOU'RE NOT OKAY WITH THAT.
THICKENING IT SO THAT IT GETS TO, IT GETS TO RANDY'S EARLIER POINT.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE MORE SIDEWALK COVERAGE.
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FACADE UP THERE STAYED BACK THERE.BUT I KNOW YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A CONCRETE, UH, OVERHANG.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A, UM, METAL WHICH IS GONNA BE INTEGRATED WITH THE VERTICAL STRUCTURE.
SO I, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE MORE SIDEWALK COVERAGE THAT ONLY THREE FEET DOES.
CAN WE, CAN WE GET A MOTION TO THIS EFFECT? YEAH.
SO I, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION, UM, THAT WE APPROVE.
NO, I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING.
THE, THE MOTION WOULD NEED FIVE VOTES FOR APPROVAL.
'CAUSE THERE IS DEMOLITION ASSOCIATED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
IT'S NOT JUST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
WE HAD OUTLINED THE, THE DEMOLITION AND THE DEMOLITION CRITERIA IN OUR EVALUATION TO, TO REMOVE THE EXISTING EYEBROW.
UM, IN SOME OF THE STOREFRONT DEMOLITION, WE, IT DOES INCLUDE DEMOLITION.
SO WHILE IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT, IT'S RELATIVELY MINOR DEMOLITION, IT, IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE FIVE VOTES.
CAN I, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? SO, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT'S? I I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LOOK, IT'S BASED ON OUR STRAW POLL HERE.
UM, IT DOES NOT APPEAR WE'RE GONNA GET FIVE VOTES.
I WOULD, I WOULD BE OPEN TO A CONTINUANCE IF, IF YOU GUYS WOULD YES.
COULD COULD I ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
I WANNA UNDERSTAND THE MOTIVE BEHIND THE EYEBROW CONTINUATION, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THESE WOULD BE AT DIFFERENT, THE EXISTING EYEBROW WOULD BE AT A DIFFERENT HEIGHT AS THE NEW EYEBROW.
SO IS IT THE ARCHITECTURAL LANGUAGE OF THE EYEBROW THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO? OKAY.
I KNOW THAT
IT'S A SIGNIFICANT SIGNIFICANCE OF THE EYEBROW THAT, THAT I'M INTERESTED IN.
'CAUSE I THINK LOOKING AT IT M MIGHT, UM, I, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT.
'CAUSE I, I THINK IT MIGHT NOT LOOK AS, AS GOOD AS, UM, WE MIGHT THINK IT, IT COULD, WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING LEAVING THE EYEBROW AT EIGHT FEET.
NO, I JUST, IF IT, IF YOU HAD, UH, WHAT I, AT THE BOTTOM OF, OF THAT JUST HAD A TWO FOOT EYEBROW THAT CAME OUT FROM THERE ALL THE WAY AROUND MM-HMM
THAT, THAT WOULD BRING BACK TO ME WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE.
SO I THINK A COUPLE OF THINGS.
IN DOING SO, I THINK YOU WOULD BLOCK A LOT OF THE LIGHT, THE NATURAL LIGHT THAT WOULD BE COMING INTO THIS SPACE.
I THINK YOU'D ALSO BE BLOCKING THE VISIBILITY OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE ENVISION AS THIS, YOU KNOW, REALLY BEAUTIFUL SORT OF, UM, CANOPY STRUCTURE THAT'S ILLUMINATED AT NIGHT.
UM, I THINK YOU WOULD BLOCK A LOT OF THAT VISIBILITY.
SO CII, HE KEEPS SAYING CONCRETE, BUT IS THERE NO WAY TO ACTUALLY JUST EXTEND THAT METAL OUT TWO FEET? I DON'T THINK TWO, LEAVING THE FACADE OF THE TUBES AT THREE FEET MOVING THE LEVEL THAT THEY SIT ON OUT TWO FEET WITH A METAL STRUCTURE.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA LOSE VISIBILITY BACK TWO FEET UP 14 FEET IN THE AIR.
YOU JUST, YOU'RE JUST NOT, BUT IT WILL GIVE SORT OF A SKIRT TO THE HORIZONS.
YEAH, I, I THINK WE WOULD THINKS ABSOLUTELY.
I DUNNO IF THAT WOULD, IT COMES UP FIVE FEET.
IT, THAT'S WHAT I THINK HE'S TRYING TO GET TO AS AN EYEBROW.
WHETHER IT'S METAL OR CONCRETE, DOESN'T MATTER.
THERE'S, IT'S JUST THAT I WANNA HAVE SOMETHING COMING OUT.
I SEE LIKE A BASE, THE PLATE, THE PLATE THAT WOULD SORT STEP BACK.
IT MIGHT SEEM LIKE TWO DIFFERENT ELEMENTS, WHEREAS IT'S NOW, BUT ONE ELEMENT.
I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY WORK WITH THAT THOUGH.
CAN WE CALL UP THE PRESENTATION JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING, JUST FOR CLARITY,
WELL, DEBBIE, CAN YOU ALSO, UM, I, IS THIS, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO DO THIS ADMINISTRATIVELY? I BELIEVE SO IF I'M CLEAR.
I MEAN, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE EXTENDING OUT JUST THE, THE PLATE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE OVERHANG OUT, AN ADDITIONAL APPROXIMATELY TWO FEET.
SO THIS AREA HERE UNDERNEATH THE, THE UPPER CANON.
WERE YOU ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING? I HAVE A QUESTION.
YEAH, GO AHEAD AND THEN, AND THEN ASK.
UM, SO, AND I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND, UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXTENDING, SO THERE'S TWO THINGS I THINK, NOT COMPETING, BUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS HERE.
ONE IS WHAT I THINK WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED, WHICH IS GIVING AN ADDITIONAL TWO FEET OF COVERAGE, RIGHT? THAT THAT'S, THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED.
UM, I THINK FROM A PERSPECTIVE, AND I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT OR A DESIGNER, SO I'LL ALLOW, OBVIOUSLY ASK YOU GUYS TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, BUT, UM, FROM A HARMONIZATION OF WHAT WAS ONE ELEMENT IS NOW KIND OF BECOMING TWO ELEMENTS THAT WE WANNA HARMONIZE
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TOGETHER.WOULD IT BE OKAY THAT THEY WORK WITHIN THAT TWO FEET? LIKE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY UNLESS THEY WANT TO THREE FEET PLUS TWO FEET OF METAL, OR COULD IT BE THREE FEET PLUS ONE FOOT OF, OR FOUR FEET PLUS ONE FOOT OF METAL OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WORKS WELL IN THEIR DESIGN? I, I, I DOES.
IS THAT WORKABLE TO YOU, UM, WITH STAFF? YES.
CAN, CAN WE PULL UP THE, UM, SECTION, YOU WERE TRYING TO DO IT ON THE ELEVATION, BUT MAYBE ON A SECTION SO YOU HAVE SOME DETAILS.
SO THE PROPOSAL I WAS MAKING WAS TO BRING THAT WHOLE BOX, THICKEN IT SO THAT IT WAS THREE FEET WIDE AND WHATEVER THAT HEIGHT IS THERE.
UM, RAY WANTS TO HAVE A, YEAH, IT, SO WHAT DO YOU HAVE THERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT STRUCTURE? IT'S, IT'S JUST A METAL PLATE.
IT'S OPEN WITHIN, SO THE RAIN FALLS THROUGH ON TOP OF THAT METAL PLATE AND THEN DRAINS OFF THE FRONT LIP.
SO IT'S WEATHER, IT'S A WEATHERPROOFED METAL PLATE.
AND RAY, YOU SAID YOU WANT THAT METAL PLATE TO COME OUT TWO MORE FEET AT THE BOTTOM.
IS THAT METAL PLATE GONNA BE ABLE TO COME OUT TWO FEET AND THEN NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH, WITH THE RAIN RUNNING OFF AND WHATEVER? I MEAN, I I WHAT'S THE THICKNESS OF THAT METAL PLATE? IT, IT'S THIN.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S, SO RIGHT NOW IT'S SORT QUARTER INCH, QUARTER INCH.
IT JUST SHOW, I MEAN ON HERE IT SHOWS THAT THERE'S SOME THICKNESS TO THAT.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO TELL ON THAT ONE.
I HAVE, YOU KNOW, ON THE, I MEAN I'M LOOKING AT THIS ONE, YOU JUST HAND IT OUT.
I MEAN IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A THICKNESS TO IT.
YOU CAN SHOW I THINK WITH THE, WITH THE METAL, UM, MOVERS.
SEE, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT HERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A THICK, IT'S RIGHT THERE, HERE.
SO WITHIN STRUCTURE, UM, WE GOTTA BE ON THE, WE GOTTA BE ON THE MIC IF YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE A CONVERSATION.
SO YEAH, YOU CAN, MAYBE THERE'S A CARRY MIC IF YOU WANNA DO THAT, BUT YEAH.
CAN I TRY THAT FOR A MINUTE? RAY? IT, IT SHOWS THE THICKNESS OF THE CANOPY.
CURRENTLY YOU JUST HAVE A FASCIA AND A SOFFIT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
WHAT RAYS WANTS TO SEE IS AN EXTENSION, IF YOU WILL.
SO IF WE EXTENDED ANOTHER TWO FEET, I THINK THAT MIGHT PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME ADDITIONAL ABILITY TO LIGHT UP.
'CAUSE YOU'RE PROVIDING LIGHTING ON THE UNDERSIDE OF THAT BOX, IF YOU WILL, RIGHT? CORRECT.
'CAUSE THE LIGHT FIXTURE WITHIN, SO YOU COULD INTER, IF YOU COULD, I MEAN YOU COULD ESSENTIALLY CREATE A SIX INCH DEEP HIGH EYEBROW AND YOU COULD PUT ALL YOUR LIGHTING WITHIN THAT EYEBROW AND IT MIGHT PROVIDE YOU WITH A BETTER LIGHTING SCHEME FOR YOUR STOREFRONT AND IT WILL APPEASE, UM, MY COLLEAGUE.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE SORT OF TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I DON'T, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT ONE, ONE THING.
ALWAYS HAVE THE, I ALWAYS HAVE THE EXTENSION.
THE, THE, THE, THE DEEP CANTILEVERED EYEBROW WOULD GO ABOUT SIX FEET OUT.
YOUR BOX STILL REMAINS AT THREE FOOT SIX OR THREE FOOT SEVEN.
BUT IT'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE LIGHTING THROUGHOUT THAT EYEBROW.
I THINK WE HAVE, WE HAVE LIGHTING THOUGH.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED DEPTH TO HAVE THAT LIGHTING.
IF THAT EYEBROW WILL APPEASE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'M WILLING TO DEFER TO MY FOUR OTHER COLLEAGUES AND VOTE FOR WAY.
IT IS ONLY BECAUSE I REALLY WANTED TO SEE AN EYEBROW, WHICH SHOULD BE CEMENT.
YOU BRING OUT SOMETHING THAT'S METAL, IT'S STILL NOT, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT DEFEATS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE.
UM, SO IF THESE FOUR THINK THAT IT'S FINE THE WAY IT IS, THEN I'LL VOTE FOR IT.
UH, R RANDY, HOW ARE YOU? ARE YOU, I, I STILL WOULD STILL WANT THE TWO EXTRA FEET, FIVE FEET.
LET, I THINK I WOULD LEAVE IT UP, UP TO THEM.
DO, DO YOU BRING THAT FACADE OUT TO THE FIVE FEET ABOVE OR DO, ARE YOU ABLE TO KEEP IT BACK? SO THERE IS A DEFINED LEDGE? I, I'M, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE BETTER SIDEWALK COVERAGE.
THAT'S MY, I IMAGINE YOU WOULD BRING THE BOX OUT SO IT WOULD BE A BIGGER WIDE, AND IT WOULD BE VERY BEAUTIFUL LIKE THAT TOO, I THINK.
AND I THINK CAN, WE CAN WORK OUT THE DETAILS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE, UM, IF WE DID A STRAW POLE RAY AND WE'VE GOT IT OUT, WE'RE EXTENDING IT OUT.
ARE YOU, I STILL UP TOO HEAVY.
WE'RE PROVIDING MORE COVERAGE.
I ONLY WANT TO HIT JUST THE METAL PART IN THE BOTTOM, OTHERWISE LEAVE, LEAVE THE DESIGN THE WAY IT IS.
SO RANDY, ARE YOU WILLING TO LEAVE THE, TO APPROVE THIS DESIGN AS IT IS?
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I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THE FIVE FEET.AND I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THE TOP PIECE.
HOW, HOW MUCH DO YOU PREFER? I AGREE THAT PULLING THE WHOLE FIVE FEET, IF IT WAS TWO FEET OF, I UNDERSTAND.
I UNDERSTAND RAY, BUT, UH, RANDY, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO COMPROMISE? LET ME ASK THE COMPROMISE.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO BRING A, A PROJECTION OUT THAT GIVES THAT IMPRESSION? THERE IS A BASE THERE SO THAT YOU GET THE SENSE THAT THERE'S A BIT OF AN EYEBROW, BUT IT BRINGS THE SIDE, THE COVERAGE OUT TO FIVE FEET AND YOU DON'T BRING THAT FACADE ALL THE WAY OUT.
BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL LOOK VERY HEAVY A LITTLE.
MAYBE IT ONLY STICKS OUT A FOOT BEYOND OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
I THINK I'M HAPPY THEY WORK WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH DON'T LOOK AT ME.
I'M NOT TRYING TO REDESIGN YOUR PROJECT.
SO MAY I MAKE A WAIT? I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON BOARD WITH WHAT, WHAT AN A MOTION.
UM, YOU WANNA, JUST WITHOUT MAKING A MOTION, CAN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT THE MOTION WOULD BE AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE WITHOUT MAKING A MOTION.
I CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THE MOTION WOULD BE,
DID YOU GUYS SEE, DID YOU GUYS SEE THIS? YOU SAW THIS? YEAH.
BUT MAYBE THAT LOOKS A LITTLE THICK FROM HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, UM, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 3.7 AND TWO FEET OUT.
SO 5.7 OR FIVE, NOT FIVE SEVEN, EXCUSE ME.
UM, THAT GOES UP TWO FEET, CORRECT.
SO, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT WE APPROVE.
I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND, YEAH, JUST A RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE SURE THAT RANDY'S ON BOARD.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, OR IF I WERE TO MAKE A MOTION, IT WOULD SAY THAT WE APPROVE WITH, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, SUBJECT TO THE APPLICANT WORKING WITH STAFF TO SATISFY A CONDITION PROVIDING FOR SOME SORT OF EYEBROW.
YEAH, I GUESS IT, THAT EYEBROW.
UM, THIS IS JUST DISCUSSION PURPOSES AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S OUTTA SIZE.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE SAY IT OKAY.
UM, IS THIS GOING IN THE DIRECTION THAT YOU GUYS ARE? OKAY, BUT THEN EYEBROW OR EYEBROW LIKE STRUCTURE, HOW'S THAT EXTENDING FROM THE FRONT FASCIA? UM, OKAY.
THEY'RE WILLING TO, YOU WANT TO, YOU WANNA SAY? NO, I GOTTA SAY IT AGAIN.
UM, SO I WOULD MOVE THAT WE APPROVE, UM, PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF TO INCORPORATE AN EYEBROW LIKE STRUCTURE THAT EXTENDS FROM THE FRONT FASCIA OF THE FRONT FACADE OF THE, THE, THE SLATS THAT THE VERTICAL SLATS.
UM, UP TO TWO FEET OUT FROM THE 3.7, A MINIMUM OF TWO FEET OUT.
I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FIVE FEET, RIGHT? FIVE FEET.
FIVE FEET FOR PROPERTY LINE UP TO FIVE FEET EXTENDING FROM THE FRONT, UH, FACADE OF THE BUILDING.
DID YOU GET ALL THAT? DEBBIE? IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
LET'S MAKE SURE DEBBIE GOT EVERYTHING.
AND SO THAT IS TO REQUIRE FIVE FOOT COVERAGE.
WE WITH LIKE FIVE FOOT COVERAGE WITH SOME SORT OF, WITH AN EYEBROW LIKE PROJECTION FROM AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PROJECTING OVERHANG.
SO LET ME, UH, CALL THE ROLE IT'S MAINTENANCE YEAH.
TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR, WITH THE ADDITION OF THE YES.
EXHIBIT A, THE TRANSITION EXHIBIT A WILL SATISFY, UM, THE FIRST CONDITION.
SO WE WILL REFERENCE THAT IN, IN THE FINAL ORDER FOR THE TRANSITION.
SORRY FOR MY PERSISTENCE, BUT IT'S ALRIGHT.
MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE TWO, UH, DISCUSSION ITEMS. I'M, THEY MAY BE LENGTHY, THEY MAY NOT BE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE, UM, LUNCH.
SO IF WE MAYBE WANNA GRAB YOUR LUNCH AND WE'LL, WE CAN DISCUSS THE, THE LAST TWO ITEMS, UM, AT THAT TIME.
SO MAYBE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, GRAB YOUR LUNCH, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE DISCUSSION ITEMS.
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PLEASE STAND BY.WE ARE GOING ON AIR IN 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
UM, WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED WITH OUR, OUR TWO DISCUSSION ITEMS, WHICH WE'LL FINISH THE AGENDA TODAY.
[9. Ad Hoc Historic Preservation Ordinance Review Advisory Committee Recommendations – Ordinance.]
THE FIRST DISCUSSION ITEM IS A, UM, IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION REGARDING, UM, THE PROPOSED, UH, LEGISLATIVE, UH, MODIFICATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THE, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION AD HOC ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMITTEE.THIS COMMITTEE, UH, WAS FORMED BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION ON MARCH OF 2024.
UM, THE SPONSOR OF THIS ITEM WAS COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ.
UM, AND A, UH, AGAIN, AD HOC HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE REVIEW ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, WAS, WAS FORMED.
WE HAD, UM, SEVEN MEMBERS, UH, JUST REAL QUICK, UH, RICK LOPEZ, FORMER CHAIR OF THIS BOARD WAS ACTUALLY THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE.
UH, MICHAEL GOLDBERG, UH, WAS THE VICE CHAIR ALEX WITKOFF, ANDREW HALLAN, SCOTT NEEDLEMAN, DANIEL ERALDO AND JAVIER GRANDA, UH, WERE THE REMAINING, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
THE COMMITTEE WAS TASKED WITH A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF THE CITY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION REGULATIONS, UM, INCLUDING THE POSSIBLE EXPANSION OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS CRITERIA, AS WELL AS PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION TO IMPROVE AND OR STREAMLINE THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR PROJECTS LOCATED IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, UM, OR INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC SITES.
THE COMMITTEE HELD, UH, FIVE MEETINGS BETWEEN JUNE 27TH AND OCTOBER 15TH, 2024.
UH, ALL OF THESE MEETINGS WERE PUBLICLY NOTICED.
THEY WERE ALL HELD AFTER 5:00 PM UM, TO MAKE THEM AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE TO ANYONE WHO WANTED TO ATTEND.
UM, THE, AGAIN, THE COMMITTEE MET, UM, ON FIVE SEPARATE OCCASIONS, THEY REVIEWED THREE MAJOR AREAS, UM, AND ISSUED RECOMMENDATIONS ACCORDING TO THOSE AREAS.
THE FIRST WAS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS CRITERIA.
THOSE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, 40 PLUS CRITERIA THAT WE OUTLINE, UM, IN OUR STAFF REPORTS TO THE, TO THE BOARD EVERY MONTH.
UM, THE SECOND AREA THEY LOOKED AT WAS THE ACTUAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW PROCESS, BOTH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD REVIEW PROCESS AS WELL AS THE STAFF LEVEL REVIEW PROCESS.
AND THE THIRD TOPIC OF DISCUSSION WERE TO, UH, LOOK AT ENHANCING INCENTIVES FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UM, FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SO WITH REGARD TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS CRITERIA, IF YOU LOOK, WE DO HAVE, UM, A DRAFTED ORDINANCE.
THIS ENTIRE ORDINANCE, I SHOULD, UH, PREFACE AND SAY WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AT THEIR MAY MEETING.
THE PLANNING BOARD DID UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMEND A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION THAT WILL BE TRANSMITTED TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION.
UM, THE, UM, AGAIN, THE CRITERIA, UM, WE LOOKED AT, AND IT WAS NOTED, UM, THROUGHOUT THAT WE DID HAVE SIGNIFICANT REDUNDANCIES IN OUR CRITERIA.
UM, WE HAD SOME CRITERIA THAT WERE ACTUAL CODE REQUIREMENTS, UM, NOT ACTUALLY CRITERIA FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REVIEW.
WE HAD CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT, UM, OR INFORMATIONAL ONLY WE HAD, UM, SPECIFICALLY IN THE, IN THE DEMOLITION CRITERIA, I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF, UH, RECOMMENDED CLEANUP.
THIS, THE REVISIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THE CRITERIA ARE IN AN ATTEMPT TO HELP STREAMLINE AND CONSOLIDATE, UM, NOT ONLY THE BOARD'S REVIEW, BUT STAFF'S REVIEW.
BECAUSE WHEN WE, UH, ISSUE A STAFF LEVEL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, WE ALSO USE THESE CRITERIA AND ALSO TO MAKE IT CLEARER TO THE APPLICANTS AND MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
UM, THE SPECIFIC AREAS WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WITHOUT GETTING TOO CONFUSED, UM, AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, WE DID DO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RESEARCH ON OTHER HISTORIC COMMUNITIES, AND DID NOTE THAT WE HAD PROBABLY FOUR TO FIVE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF CRITERIA THAT MOST HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMUNITIES HAD, AND THAT MAYBE THAT COULD BE
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IMPACTING THE APPEARANCE OF, OF A, A DIFFICULT PROCESS.UM, WE, WE DID NOT ELIMINATE ANY CRITERIA.
WE SIMPLY CONSOLIDATED, REMOVED REDUNDANCIES, UM, AND CLARIFIED THE, THE CRITERIA.
WE DID ELIMINATE WARN ON ACTUALLY CRITERIA THERE.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE ZONING CODE, UM, OR WERE JUST PURELY AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM.
SO WE THINK THIS IS A POSITIVE IMPROVEMENT, UM, AND THE ADMINISTRATION IS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, THAT SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS, AS WAS THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, THE SECOND TOPIC THAT THE, THAT THE COMMITTEE LOOKED AT, UM, WAS THE REVIEW PROCESS.
UH, MOST OF YOU, I THINK, UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC LISTENING MAY NOT.
UM, WE BASICALLY HAVE TWO TRACKS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW WITHIN THE CITY.
AND IT IS A, A DEPENDENT ON THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT IS REQUESTED BY ANY PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER.
UH, WHETHER THOSE ELEMENTS CAN BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY STAFF THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, OR IF THEY REQUIRE A HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD REVIEW.
UM, THE COMMITTEE DID FOCUS ON POTENTIALLY, UM, LOOKING AT AREAS WHERE WE COULD INCREASE THE EXPANSION OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW REVIEW.
UM, IN PART, WE LOOKED AT, UM, WE LOOKED AT THE CRITERIA FOR DESIGN REVIEW.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU GO THROUGH THE DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS, THAT MEANS YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND WE NOTICED SOME INCONSISTENCIES THAT WERE LIKELY NOT SUBSTANTIAL IN TERMS OF NOT ONLY WHAT WE DO IN PRACTICE, BUT IN TERMS OF THE LEVEL OF ALTERATIONS.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, AND I, I'LL GO THROUGH THESE, UH, SUSTAINABLE ROOFING CURRENTLY, UM, A SUSTAINABLE ROOF COULD BE DEFINED AS A, AS A WHITE ROOF, RIGHT? A HIGH ALBEDO SURFACE.
A WHITE ROOF IS A SUSTAINABLE ROOF.
TECHNICALLY, OUR REGULATIONS REQUIRE THAT TO BE REVIEWED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, WHICH WE THINK IS, IS RATHER CUMBERSOME AND NOT IN LINE WITH OUR RESILIENCY, UM, GOALS IN THE CITY.
AND WE, WE DO BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD EASILY BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
NOW, SUSTAINABLE ROOFING COULD ALSO BE A METAL ROOF.
IT COULD ALSO BE A GREEN ROOF.
UM, AGAIN, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS CRITERIA.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF A MEDITERRANEAN REVIVAL HOME OR BUILDING CAME IN AND DID A VERY MODERN OR, UM, VERNACULAR TYPE METAL ROOF, STAFF WOULD REVIEW IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CRITERIA, DETERMINE THAT LIKELY IT DID NOT MEET THE CRITERIA.
AND THEN WE WOULD ULTIMATELY, UM, EITHER CHANGE THE STYLE OF THE ROOF TO BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY OR SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO THIS BOARD.
UM, PROPERTY WALLS, FENCES AND GATES ARE NOT CLEARLY DEFINED AS A STAFF ADMINISTRATION.
WHICH PAGE YOU, THIS IS ON THE COMMITTEE REPORT, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE FINAL REPORT.
I THINK THAT WAS, IS THERE A PAGE NUMBER? IT'S ON PAGE THREE AT THE BOTTOM.
UM, MINOR PUBLIC INTERIOR MODIFICATIONS.
UM, THESE WOULD BE MINOR MODIFICATIONS THAT DID NOT DESTROY ANY SIGNIFICANT FE INTERIOR FEATURES.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE INTRODUCTION OF A SMALL BAR COUNTER.
UM, THE, YOU HAD SLIGHT MODIFICATION WITHIN THE INTERIOR THAT, THAT ALSO SATISFIED THE CRITERIA.
UM, MINOR WORK INVOLVING IMPROVEMENTS UPON RIGHT OF WAY AND EASEMENTS.
AGAIN, THAT IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH OUR REVIEW PROCESS OUTSIDE OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS, UH, DEMOLITION AND RECONSTRUCTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION OF ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.
NOW IN THE ORDINANCE, WE HAVE HAVE PROVIDED A DEFINITION OF AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE, UM, AND A LIMITATION ON, ON THAT.
BUT THAT WOULD BE RECONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT, UH, HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION TO ENSURE THE ACCURATE RECONSTRUCTION.
AND IT WOULD NOT BE, I THINK, MORE THAN, UH, 25% OF THE AREA OF, OF THE FACADE, UH, RAILING REPLACEMENT.
THIS IS SOMETHING THIS BOARD HAS REVIEWED OFTEN.
UM, SO A RAILING, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY WE HAVE, AND, AND I'M PREACHING TO THE CHOIR HERE, CONCERNS WITH, UM, OLDER BUILDINGS THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN ALL CASES.
UM, DUE TO THE CURRENT LIFE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS OF A 42 INCHES IN HEIGHT, UH, THE FOUR INCH REJECTION
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REQUIREMENTS, UM, WE'RE ALSO SEEING MORE AND MORE STRUCTURAL ISSUES WITH, PARTICULARLY WITH CONCRETE RAILINGS IN TERMS OF THE WEIGHT OF THESE RAILINGS ON PROJECTING SURFACES.UM, SO THIS CRITERIA WOULD, WOULD ALLOW THE RAILING REPLACEMENT IN AN ALTERNATE MATERIAL THAT MIGHT BE MORE SUSTAINABLE AND STRUCTURALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THE BUILDING THAT MATCH THAT CLOSELY MATCHES THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
UM, SO THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO, TO BE A STAFF LEVEL REVIEW.
ADDITIONALLY, THE COMMITTEE DID RECOMMEND THAT FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS, NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THAT STAFF BE ABLE TO APPROVE ALTERNATE DESIGNS FOR RAILINGS SUBJECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF DESIGN GUIDELINES.
UM, WHICH WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK LATER TO BOTH THIS BOARD AND TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
SO THAT INSTEAD OF, OF THESE CONDOMINIUM BUILDINGS GOING THROUGH THE 40 OR 50 YEAR RECERTIFICATION PROCESS, THEY WOULD HAVE A, A MENU OF DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY REVIEW.
WE COULD ACTUALLY REVIEW AND APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVELY INSTEAD OF BRINGING EACH ONE THROUGH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD PROCESS.
UM, A A SECOND RECOMMENDATION TO THE PROCESS WAS A MODIFICATION TO THE EXISTING TWO-STEP PROCESS.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE A TWO-STEP PROCESS IN THE, IN THE CODE.
SO THE, THE QUESTION CAME UP, UM, AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WHY HASN'T ANYONE USED IT? IT IS EXTREMELY VAGUE AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
IT, IT, UM, REQUIRES THE BOARD TO DETERMINE ELIGIBILITY FOR THE TWO STEP PROCESS.
SO THAT CREATES ALL, ALL TYPES OF CHALLENGES BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO THE BOARD TO DETERMINE THEIR ELIGIBILITY BEFORE THEY COULD SUBMIT AN ACTUAL APPLICATION FOR THE TWO STEP PROCESS.
UM, SO WE HAVE INCLUDED, UH, CRITERIA THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR A TWO STEP PROCESS, AND IT WOULD BE THE PLANNING DIRECTOR'S DETERMINATION TO, TO SEE IF A PARTICULAR PROJECT DID SATISFY THOSE CRITERIA FOR THE TWO STEP PROCESS.
WHAT THE TWO STEP PROCESS CURRENTLY ALLOWS FOR IS THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A, OF A SITE PLAN, A DETAILED SITE PLAN, UM, AND A SET WHICH WOULD BE A BINDING APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN, AND THEN UP TO A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO RETURN WITH ALL OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS.
THIS IS PARTICULARLY, UM, HELPFUL WITH EXTREMELY LARGE PROJECTS WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN CAN'T GET THROUGH AN EXTREMELY LARGE PROJECT IN ONE MEETING.
UM, BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE WE LOOKING AT THE SITE PLANNING ISSUES, THE DEMOLITION ISSUES, BUT YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF HEIGHT MASSING, WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO, TO LOOK THROUGH ALL OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS OF A, OF A BOOK THAT MAY BE THIS THICK AS, AS A LOT OF YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH, I THINK THIS, THIS IS A GREAT, UH, RECOMMENDATION AND IT MAY ULTIMATELY RESULT IN BETTER QUALITY PROJECTS BECAUSE THEN WE'LL HAVE TIME TO REALLY GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THE ARCHITECTURE.
UM, INSTEAD OF REVIEW TRYING TO BITE THIS, THIS HUGE APPLE ALL AT ONCE, WE CAN HAVE MULTIPLE BYTES AT IT.
AND I THINK THAT, THAT FROM THE DEVELOPER'S SIDE COMM OF THE COMMUNITY, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THEM TOO, BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN FINANCING THRESHOLDS IN TERMS OF GETTING A SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL.
WE WILL SEE IF, IF, IF THAT IS ADOPTED, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE UTILIZED.
UM, THE THIRD RECOMMENDATION WAS WITH REGARD TO THE TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS AND MITIGATION PLAN REQUIREMENTS.
CURRENTLY A TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS AND MITIGATION PLAN IS REQUIRED FOR ALL COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS OVER 5,000 GROSS SQUARE FEET AND MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS WITH FOUR, UH, NEW UNITS.
THAT, THAT IS PRACTICALLY EVERY APPLICATION THAT WE HAVE.
UM, AND THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM APPLICANTS ON THAT IT IS, IT ADDS MAYBE TWO TO THREE MONTHS TO THE PROCESS IN CERTAIN INSTANCES, IT, IT REQUIRES MAYBE SIX MONTHS IN ADDITION TO THE PROCESS.
UM, SO THIS WAS UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED, UM, THAT, THAT WE WOULD KEEP A TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS MITIGATION PLAN REQUIREMENT IN.
BUT THE THRESHOLD FOR PROJECTS WOULD BE RAISED TO A 50,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, WHICH ARE REALLY THE MAJOR PROJECTS THAT DO, DO HAVE CIRCULATION ISSUES, DELIVERY ISSUES, AND, UM, UM, IMPACTS TO, TO THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE.
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UM, THE THIRD PROCESS WAS TO EXPAND THE EXISTING SPECIAL REVIEW PROCEDURE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.SO THE CURRENT, UM, SPECIAL REVIEW PROCEDURE DOES PERMIT EXPANDED ALREADY ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OVER, UM, ADDITIONS AND EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
HOWEVER, UM, FOR ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OF NEW ADDITIONS, THERE ARE CERTAIN PERCENTAGE THRESHOLDS OUTLINED IN THE CODE.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT UP TO 10,000 SQUARE FOOT, LOT STAFF CANNOT APPROVE AN ADDITION, UH, GREATER THAN 20% OF THE EXISTING SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE SITE.
AND GOING THROUGH THIS, IT, IT APPEARED THAT A LOT OF THESE REGULATIONS WERE NOT DRAFTED WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN MIND.
WE HAVE VERY FEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, AND WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH COMMERCIAL OR MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, 20% OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN 20% OF 13,000 SQUARE FEET OR SINGLE OR HISTORIC SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE VERY SMALL LEADING, YOU KNOW, TO NO, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU WANNA DO A 200 SQUARE FOOT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ENDING UP GOING THROUGH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
UM, AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE FOR, FOR LARGER ADDITIONS THAT ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, THAT DON'T REQUIRE THE DEMOLITION, UM, OF ANY SIGNIFICANT PORTIONS OF THE HOME.
UM, SO WE THINK THAT WILL BE HELPFUL.
UM, THERE'S A COUPLE, UH, CLEANUP ITEMS. UM, NUMBER ONE, TO BE CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF THE OTHER BOARD NO NOTICE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE CONTINUED ITEMS NOT REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL NOTICE IN THE MIAMI HERALD.
THEY WOULD REQUIRE JUST THE, THE STANDARD NOTICE THIS REQUIRED FOR ALL OF THE OTHER BOARDS.
AND A, UM, THE LAST ONE UNDER THIS TOPIC IS TO INCLUDE A PROCEDURE FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION REMOVAL.
UM, THIS WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A PROVISION BY MIAMI-DADE COUNTY, UM, AS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WE ARE UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF MIAMI-DADE COUNTY IN TERMS OF THEIR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM.
THEY DO ALLOW MUNICIPALITIES TO HAVE OUR, THEIR OWN HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAMS, WHICH WE DO HERE.
HOWEVER, ANY MUNICIPALITY WOULD NEED TO MEET THEIR MINIMUM RE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE COUNTY'S ORDINANCE.
ONE OF THE COUNTY'S MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS IS TO HAVE A PROCEDURE TO REMOVE HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
SO WE WERE, ALTHOUGH WE ARE IN VERY GOOD STANDING WITH BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE STATE, THIS WAS ONE AREA THAT WE DID NOT COMPLY WITH.
UM, AND WE HAVE PROPOSED SIMILAR LANGUAGE TO WHAT THE COUNTY HAS, WHICH WOULD SAY, UM, THE CITY COMMISSION OR HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD AS APPLICABLE MAY AMEND OR RESCIND ANY DESIGNATION PROVIDED IT COMPLIES WITH THE, IN THE SAME MANNER AND PROCEDURES USED IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGNATION.
UM, SO BASICALLY YOU WOULD JUST DO THE ENTIRE PROCESS AGAIN TO REMOVE THE DESIGNATION AS YOU DID TO DESIGNATE.
UM, FINALLY THE COMMITTEE LOOKED AT INCENTIVES, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHARGES OF THE COMMITTEE AND ONE OF THEIR TASKS.
UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS HERE.
THE FIRST IS TO EXPAND THE AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM.
SO THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS AN AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM, BUT, UH, ONLY SINGLE FAMILY HOME PROPERTIES ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS TAX EXEMPTION.
WHAT IT IS IN ITS CONSISTENT WITH MIAMI-DADE COUNTIES PROGRAM IS IT ALLOWS FOR A PROPERTY OWNER TO EXEMPT UP TO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE VALUE OF THE INCREASED BUILDING VALUE AFTER RENOVATION AND OR SMALL NEW ADDITIONS ARE ADDED TO A PROPERTY.
SO IT'S NOT EXEMPTING, YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE BUILDING VALUE.
IT'S NOT EXEMPTING THE PROPERTY VALUE, IT'S EXEMPTING THE ADDITIONAL VALUE AFTER WORK IS COMPLETED.
SO IF YOU RENOVATE YOUR HOME AND THE THE PROPERTY APPRAISER, YOU KNOW, ASSESSES YOUR PROPERTY AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE THAN IT WAS BEFORE THE RENOVATIONS THAT THAT WOULD, THAT PORTION THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WOULD BE EXEMPTED FROM YOUR TAX, FROM YOUR PROPERTY TAXES FOR A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS.
THE COUNTY CURRENTLY OFFERS THAT PROGRAM FOR THEIR PORTION OF THE TAXES FOR, FOR ANY USE OF BUILDING.
CITY OF MIAMI BEACH OFFERS IT CURRENTLY ONLY TO SINGLE FAMILY.
THIS WOULD EXPAND IT TO MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AS WELL.
UM, THE COMMITTEE ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY EXPLORE
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A TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.THIS IS NOT PART OF THE ORDINANCE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE, UH, COMMISSION LAND USE COMMITTEE.
AND WE ADVISED THE COMMITTEE THAT WE NEEDED TO, TO PERFORM A MARKET STUDY TO DETERMINE HOW THIS WOULD WORK.
THIS IS A MUCH MORE COMPLICATED PROGRAM THAN OUR, THAN OUR TAX EXEMPTION.
UM, AND WE ARE CURRENTLY, WE'VE BEEN DIRECTED TO CURRENTLY PURSUE THAT.
SO WE ARE CURRENTLY GATHERING MORE INFORMATION FOR POTENTIALLY EXPLORING A TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS PROGRAM.
UM, ANOTHER INCENTIVE, AND, AND WE HAD AN APPLICATION EARLIER TODAY, WAS TO EXTEND THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME ZONING INCENTIVES THAT ARE OFFERED TO HISTORIC HOMES OUTSIDE OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT HOMES THAT ARE NOT DESIGNATED.
SO THIS WOULD BE TO EXPAND THIS, THESE, THESE ZONING INCENTIVES TO THE CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
THESE ARE THINGS LIKE MAINTAINING AN EXISTING SETBACK FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES WE SEE HERE ARE ASKING FOR VARIANCES FOR SETBACKS.
AND THEY'RE SIMPLY TRYING TO FOLLOW, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING PROPERTY SETBACK.
WE ALLOW THAT FOR MANY OTHER HOMES IN THE CITY.
AND THE IDEA WOULD BE TO EXTEND THAT TO CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AS AN INCENTIVE.
THE ONLY THING, THE ONLY INCENTIVE THAT WAS NOT RECOMMENDED BE TRANSLATED TO CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS WOULD BE THE UNIT SIZE.
SO CURRENTLY THE ALLOWABLE UNIT SIZE IS 50% OUTSIDE OF DISTRICTS.
IF YOU'RE AN ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANT HOME, YOU CAN GET UP TO 60%.
UH, THE COMMITTEE DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE EXTENDING THAT INCENTIVE TO CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS.
SO ALL OF THE INCENTIVES WOULD, WOULD BE, WOULD APPLY EXCEPT FOR AN ADDITIONAL UNIT SIZE, UH, INCENTIVE.
UM, AND THAT IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT THE ORDINANCES AMEND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE TDR.
SO THE TDR IS NOT IN THIS, THIS TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE ORDINANCES.
UM, BUT ALL OF THE OTHER ITEMS I DISCUSSED HAVE BEEN, UM, INCLUDED IN THIS.
THIS IS, UM, CURRENTLY SCHEDULED TO GO TO THE COMMISSION AT THEIR MAY MEETING THAT'S AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.
UM, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE THEM WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF THIS BOARD.
I'M, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, THEN I WAS GONNA ASK BE, ESPECIALLY REGARDING THE, UM, THE, UH, TRANSFER RIGHTS, DID, WOULD, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER THEY LOOKED AT, UM, BUOYANT CITY, THE BUOYANT CITY GUIDELINES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BECAUSE IT'S EXTENSIVELY DEALT WITH IN THAT? CORRECT.
UM, WE DID, YOU KNOW, CONTEMPLATE A LOT OF THE BUOYANT CITY, UH, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDED, UH, INCENTIVES AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, UM, CAN BE VERY SUCCESSFUL.
IT CAN ALL ALSO NOT BE SUCCESSFUL IN, IN WHAT REALLY IN OUR RESEARCH, WHAT IT CAME DOWN TO IS, IS THERE A MARKET FOR A TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS PROGRAM? AND WE ARE CURRENTLY, UH, WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT, UM, TO, TO DO A MARKET STUDY TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S, THERE'S REAL POTENTIAL FOR THAT PROGRAM.
'CAUSE IT IS A COMPLEX PROGRAM.
IT DOES TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MANAGEMENT AND OVERSIGHT OF A, OF A PROGRAM LIKE THAT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE'LL WE WILL GET SOME, SOME MORE INFORMATION TO, TO SEE IF THAT'S A VIABLE OPTION.
AND THEN THAT WOULD COME BACK IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AS A SEPARATE ITEM.
I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW EXPANSION.
UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT MINOR RE PUBLIC INTERIOR MODIFICATIONS, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT ENCOMPASSES.
YOU SAID LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, A SMALL BAR COUNTER.
SO JUST TO USE A RECENT EXAMPLE, WE HAD THE, UM, THE NAUTILUS.
SO WOULD THAT BE ADMINISTRATIVE OR WOULD THAT BE BEFORE THE BOARD? UM, I THINK WE WOULD LIKELY, AND I, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY DEMOLITION.
SO IF THERE WAS DEMOLITION OF ANY SIGNIFICANT INTERIOR, IT WE, WE WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED.
UM, WE WOULD LIKELY BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM ADMINISTRATIVELY.
THAT WAS, THAT'S THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY THE EXTREME.
UM, MOST OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE INTERIOR MODIFICATIONS WE SEE ARE NOT AS SIGNIFICANT
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AS THAT.UM, SO I WOULD HAVE TO, TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THEY, THEY HAD ANY DEMOLITION OF SIGNIFICANT FEATURES.
UM, SO WE MAY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO APPROVE THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY IF, IF THIS WAS IN EFFECT.
SO IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS FOR DEBBIE, WOULD IT, IS THERE, ARE WE OPENING THIS PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, GO AHEAD.
UM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE INCENTIVES FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
HAVE WE DONE ANY SORT, YOU MENTIONED A CONSULTANT ABOUT SOME OTHER THINGS.
HAVE WE DONE ANY SORT OF ANALYSIS ON WHAT, HOW THAT AFFECTS OUR TEXT? I MEAN, SELFISHLY, LIKE WHEN WE DO IMPROVEMENTS ON MY BUILDING, IT I, WE WOULD NOT QUALIFY.
BUT FROM A TAX PERSPECTIVE, WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR CITY OF MIAMI BEACH IF THOSE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, COULD MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN HAVE AVALOR EXEMPTIONS FOR 20 YEARS? IS THAT RIGHT? IT'S FOR 10 YEARS.
UM, WE'RE GATHERING THE INFORMATION FROM MIAMI-DADE COUNTY ON, BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAS RECEIVED SEVERAL APPLIC MANY APPLICATIONS OVER THE YEARS FOR MIAMI BEACH PROPERTIES.
'CAUSE THEIR, A PROGRAM FOR THE COUNTY'S PORTION ALLOWS THAT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO, TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND, UM, ANY POTENTIAL FISCAL IMPACTS FROM MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME PROGRAM, UM, WHICH WE DO ADMINISTER HERE.
I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, PART OF ME WISHES IT WAS MORE, BUT BECAUSE IT'S BASED ONLY ON THE INCREASE IN BUILDING VALUE, IT'S NOT GONNA COVER THINGS LIKE LARGE NEW ADDITIONS.
IT'S NOT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, REPAIRING YOUR BUILDING OR EVEN MAKING SIGNIFICANT UPGRADES TO YOUR BUILDING IS NOT GOING TO INCREASE THAT BUILDING VALUE TREMENDOUSLY ACCORDING TO THE, THE TAX APPRAISER.
SO FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, IT'S, UM, IT'S NOT A HUGE SAVINGS.
BUT AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE RESTORING A HISTORIC BUILDING, ANYTHING HELPS.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S HARD TO DETERMINE WHAT, ACCORDING TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER, WHAT INCREASES YOUR BUILDING VALUE.
DOES IMPACT WINDOWS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THIS IS A QUESTION I'VE ASKED, IF YOU REPLACE ALL YOUR WINDOWS WITH IMPACT WINDOWS, DOES THAT INCREASE YOUR TAXABLE BUILDING VALUE? I GET, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOTTEN DIFFERENT ANSWERS FROM THAT QUESTION.
SEEING NO OTHER COMMENT, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
HELLO, I'M KEN HARRISON ROBERTS.
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH A HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROCESS IN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.
HAVING WORKED WITH THE, UH, COMMISSION FOR THE DRAFTING OF THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCES IN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.
I'VE BEEN ACTIVELY INVOLVED WITH REPRESENTING BOTH DEVELOPERS AND OPPONENTS OF DEVELOPERS OVER THE YEARS.
I PROBABLY HAVE PRESENTED OR BEEN PARTICIPATING IN PRESENTATION OF OVER A HUNDRED APPLICATIONS BEFORE THE BOARD, THOUGH I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THAT AS MUCH RECENTLY.
I AM SERVING AS A LAND CONSULTANT FOR, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS OF WELL OVER A BILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF PROPERTY AND IN MY BEACH.
SO I HAVE A SIGNIFICANT INTEREST IN PRESERVING, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN MIAMI BEACH.
UM, I THINK THIS BOARD HAS A UNIQUE VIEW OR SHOULD HAVE A UNIQUE VIEW OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
THIS BOARD IS, SHOULD BE PROTECTING AND I'M SURE WANTS TO PROTECT ITS OWN JURISDICTION AND ITS OWN POWER.
UP TO NOW OTHER ENTITIES HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT WHAT YOU SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT DO, HOW YOU SHOULD REVIEW PROJECTS, WHAT'S THE CRITERIA AND WHAT SHOULD BE THE PROCESS FOR REVIEW.
AND I, I LOOKED AT THIS VERY CAREFULLY.
I'VE SPENT PROBABLY 30 HOURS STUDYING THIS, COMPARING IT TO OTHER, TO THE CURRENT, UM, FORMAT, COMPARING IT AND GOING BACK TO MANY BRIEFS THAT I WROTE INVOLVING THESE ISSUES.
I'M GONNA NEED A FEW MORE MINUTES THEN ON WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE, BUT I WANNA GO OVER A COUPLE THINGS.
I ONLY HAVE A COUPLE SUGGESTIONS.
THERE'S ONE, IT'S ABOUT DESIGN REVIEW CRITERIA.
AND IF YOU GO TO PAGE EIGHT OF THE LEGISLATION AND IT'S DESIGN CRI CRITERIA M WHICH STATES, AND THIS IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE CRITERIA, I THINK IT'S IMPRESSION FROM WHAT HAPPENED EVEN EARLIER TODAY.
IT SAYS, UH, ONE CRITERIA WOULD BE ANY ADDITION ON A BUILDING SITE SHALL BE DESIGNED, CITED, AND MASKED IN A MANNER WHICH IS SENSITIVE TO AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS THAT'S BEING
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PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.IN FACT, IN THE PROJECTS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN, INVOLVED IN ON THE LITIGATION LEVEL, THAT IS ONE OF THE THREE KEY ISSUES THAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH BOTH BEFORE THE BOARD AND, AND IN LITIGATION, IS WHETHER OR NOT THE ADDITION ON A SITE IS COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S THERE ON THE SITE ALREADY.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THAT PARTICULAR CRITERIA WAS REMOVED.
I THINK IT'S A VERY POIGNANT CRITERIA.
AND WHAT CONCERNS ME IS WHEN IT'S, IF IT'S REMOVED, IT'S GONNA BE A MESSAGE THAT THAT'S NO LONGER A CRITERIA FOR THIS BOARD.
AND EVEN THOUGH THERE MIGHT BE WAYS OF INTERPRETING OTHER SECTIONS, I HAVE ANOTHER TWO MINUTES.
HOW MUCH MORE TIME? TWO MORE MINUTES.
UH, ANOTHER SECTION, EVEN THOUGH THERE MIGHT BE OTHER SECTIONS YOU MIGHT TRY TO APPLY.
REALLY THIS IS THE BEST SECTION FOR EXPLAINING THE NEED FOR COMPATIBILITY WHEN YOU PUT ADDITIONS ON THE SITE.
I THINK IT'S TAKING AWAY YOUR POWER.
I THINK IT'S TAKING AWAY THE REVIEW PROCESS THAT'S BEEN EFFECTIVE FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
AND THIS, THIS PARTICULAR CRITERIA HAS BEEN APPLIED FOR MANY PROJECTS AND MANY TIMES AND MANY PRESENTATIONS OVER THE YEARS.
THE OTHER CRITERIA, AND THIS IS ALSO ABOUT TAKING AWAY YOUR POWER AND YOUR AUTHORITY.
RIGHT NOW, THERE IS A THRESHOLD REQUIREMENT, AND IT MIGHT BE TOO LOW.
WHERE, UM, ANY, UM, UH, MULTIFAMILY BUILDING, WHICH IS OVER 5,000 SQUARE FEET, YOU HAVE TO GET A, UH, TRAFFIC MITIGATION ANALYSIS OR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND MITIGATION PLAN.
THAT MIGHT BE TOO, UM, TOO LOW.
BUT TO GO ALL THE WAY UP TO 50,000 FEET, WHICH IS 50,000 FEET, COULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A 75 UNIT BUILDING.
AND TO SAY THAT'S THE CRITERIA BEFORE YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, AT LEAST DO SOME OF THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, THAT SEEMS TO BE WAY TOO HIGH.
AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THAT NUMBER AND I, I THINK YOU NEED TO PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS TO LOOK AT THAT, THIS BOARD, NOT DEFERRING IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD, NOT DEFERRING IT TO ANYBODY ELSE.
AND IF IT'S OVER 50 THOU LESS THAN 50,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT MORE THAN 5,000, NO.
VERY OFTEN NO OTHER BOARD WILL REVIEW IT.
SO THERE'LL BE NO PUBLIC AIRING OF A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE TRAFFIC ISSUES HAVE BEEN PROPERLY ADDRESSED.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THAT NUMBER AGAIN AND LOWER THAT THRESHOLD.
UM, ALSO IT LOWERS THE THRESHOLD OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
UM, I BELIEVE FROM, UH, 15,000, IT RAISES IT FROM 15,000 TO 50,000 SQUARE FEET.
ONCE AGAIN, THAT SEEMS TO BE, OH, QUITE A BIT OF RAISING OF A THRESHOLD.
AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA LOSE YOUR POWER YEAH.
AND MAY I HAVE 30 MORE SECONDS.
UNDER THE, UNDER THE CITY CHARTER.
UNDER THE CITY CHARTER, THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT THAT SHOULD A PROPOSED REGULATION REDUCE THE POWER OF THIS BOARD, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO A CITY REFERENDUM.
NOW WITH THE MACHINATIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN THE LEGISLATURE, WHICH HAVE TAKEN LOCAL CONTROL AWAY, TAKEN LOCAL CONTROL AWAY, THERE'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS MATTER WOULD HAVE TO GO TO REFERENDUM.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO TO REFERENDUM ON THIS ISSUE AND PROTECT IT BY REFERENDUM.
I THINK THIS BOARD SHOULD PROTECT YOUR OWN JURISDICTION AND HAVE REASONABLE CRITERIA, ESPECIALLY THE RIGHT TO LOOK AT TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THOSE, THOSE PROJECTS ARE NOT GOING BEFORE ANY OTHER BOARD.
AND WHEN YOU, IT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN HAVE PUBLIC REVIEW ON THOSE ISSUES.
UM, MR. SWICK, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? ARE YOU, WERE YOU REPRESENTING YOURSELF AND YOUR OWN OPINIONS OR ARE YOU REPRESENTING SOMEONE ELSE HERE? I AM NOT REPRESENTING ANYBODY BECAUSE IF I STARTED TALKING TO MY CLIENTS, I'D HAVE TO THEN BE RETAINED BY, THEY WOULD DO IT, THEY WOULD PAY IT, BUT THEN THEY'D BE PAYING LIKE 14 FEES AND THE PAPERWORK AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UH, FOR ALL THAT, I'M SURE YOU'RE WORTH IT.
SO I JUST WENT UP HERE AND I FELT IT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS BOARD AND EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD AND THIS PUBLIC, THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH, YOU KNOW, I RAN SIX REFERENDUM CAMPAIGNS TO KEEP FAR UNDER CONTROL SIX IN THE CITY SUCCESSFULLY.
I RAN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH, SAY MIAMI BEACH CAMPAIGN, THE LITERAL THE ORIGINAL REFERENDUM CAMPAIGN.
SO I HAVE A TREMENDOUS INTEREST IN THIS THING, AND AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, I HAD RAN, YOU KNOW, BAYER DERMER, I WAS HIS CAMPAIGN MANAGER WHEN HE RAN FOR OFFICE.
SO I MEAN, I HAVE A BIG POLITICAL INTEREST, BUT THIS IS THE INTEREST OF MIAMI BEACH.
I MEAN, I PERSONALLY HAVE OWNED HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
I DID SELL THEM, BUT TO SEYMOUR HOTEL THAT WAS GONNA BE DEMOLISHED IF I HADN'T BOUGHT IT.
AND IN MANY, AND I'VE HELPED SO MANY OF MY FRIENDS WORK THROUGH THIS PROCESS, YOU KNOW, PRO BONO TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE THEIR PROPERTIES.
SO ANYWAYS, I'M DOING THIS FOR THE BEST
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INTEREST OF MIAMI BEACH, NOT FOR ANY DEVELOPER, NOT FOR ANY PARTICULAR INTER INTERESTED PARTY.SO, UM, DEBBIE, CAN YOU START OR, OR YEAH, IF I JUST THESE THREE ISSUES.
SO THE CRITERIA, WHICH IS TWO M AS IN MARY ON PAGE EIGHT MM-HMM
ANY ADDITION ON A BUILDING SHALL BE DESIGNED, CITED AND MASSED IN A MANNER WHICH IS SENSITIVE AND COMPATIBLE TO THE EXISTING IMPROVEMENT.
IF YOU GO TO PAGE SEVEN AND YOU LOOK AT CRITERIA D RIGHT, IT'S THE SAME THING, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THAT'S WHAT I WAS.
SO PART OF THIS, YOU DON'T THINK, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THESE ONE BY ONE IS BECAUSE THE, THE SHEER NUMBER OF THESE CRITERIA CAN CREATE SOME PERCEPTION ISSUES WITH HOW WE TREAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN MIAMI BEACH.
UM, I THOUGHT REMOVING REDUNDANT CRITERIA WAS, WAS BENEFICIAL.
LET ME JUST, LEMME DO THE BOARD THING.
D IN, IN CONJUNCTION WITH TWO, THE EXAMINATION OF ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE CRITERIA STATED BELOW WITH REGARD TO AESTHETICS, APPEARANCES, COMPATIBILITY, SAFETY AND FUNCTION OF ANY NEW OR EXISTING STRUCTURE, PUBLIC INTERIOR SPACE AND PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES OF THE PROJECT IN RELATION TO THE SITE ADJACENT STRUCTURES AND PROPERTIES AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SHALL REVIEW PLANS BASED ON THE CRITERIA STATED BELOW, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
D THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE OR ADDITIONS TO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE ARE APPROPRIATE TO AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE ENVIRONMENT AND ADJACENT STRUCTURES AND ENHANCES THE APPEARANCE OF SURROUNDING PROPERTIES OR THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH THE DISTRICT HAS CREATED CRITERIA.
M SAYS, ANY ADDITION ON A BUILDING SITE SHALL BE DESIGNED, CITED AND MASS IN A MANNER WHICH IS SENSITIVE TO AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS.
SO IN MY OPINION, THESE ARE REDUNDANT.
SO RESPECTFULLY, I, I WOULD DISAGREE.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK M KIND OF FURTHER NARROW.
I DO NICK LOOKING AT ME FUNNY BECAUSE M NARROWS IN ON SPECIFICALLY ON LIKE, ON THE SITE AND THE EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT SITE AS OPPOSED TO ADJACENT STRUCTURES, WHICH COULD BE YOUR NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW.
SO I, I MEAN, I THINK THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO, AND I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, WOULD JUST BE TO AMEND DI WELL THAT'S WAS GONNA BE MY SUGGESTION IS TO TAKE PORTIONS OF M AND INCORPORATE IT INTO D THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.
IF, IF WE'RE GOING, IF RATHER THAN, IF YOU THINK THEY'RE REDUNDANT TO HAVE THEM IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES, MAYBE IT'S BETTER TO HAVE THEM CONSOLIDATED INTO ONE.
UM, BUT TO SAY THAT THEY SAY THE SAME THING.
IF I WERE UP HERE ARGUING, I MIGHT SAY THAT THEY'RE DIFFERENT AND I, I UNDERSTAND, UM, WHERE HE'S COMING FROM THAT SOMEONE MIGHT THINK THAT WE HAVE ELIMINATED THAT.
NOW, IF I WERE DOING THE RESEARCH ON IT, I WOULD SAY LOOK AT THE LEGISLATIVE HISTORY AND, AND WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS AND THE DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING NOW.
UM, I THINK THAT THERE, YOU KNOW, A CONSIDERATION OF MAKING SURE THAT IT IS DESIGNED, CITED AND MASSED, UM, IN A MANNER THAT'S SENSITIVE TO AND TO, AND COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, ON THE SITE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, INCORPORATE THAT INTO D IF, IF THAT, UM, SERVES THE SAME PURPOSE.
I, I'M GETTING FUNNY LOOKS FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY.
SO NICK, WELL, BECAUSE I THINK THE D ADJACENT STRUCTURES IS WITHOUT REGARD TO WHICH PROPERTY IT'S ON.
DEPUTY, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WAS THE, THE, THE THOUGHT OF THE COMMITTEE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THAT IS HOW WE TREAT THE CRITERIA.
WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING IT ADJACENT, COMPATIBLE WITH THE ENVIRONMENT AND ATION STRUCTURES IS ALL STRUCTURES YEAH.
BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY PUT EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S, I I MEAN I AGREE THAT IT'S STRUCTURES, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS, TO ME, I READ ONE AS COMPATIBLE WITH, IF YOU WILL, NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
IT DOESN'T EXPLICITLY SAY THAT, BUT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ET CETERA.
AND THEN M TO ME SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY TO THIS SITE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, TODAY WE HAD, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, ACCESSORY ACCESSORY UNIT THAT WAS PRESENTED, RIGHT? AND SO IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SETTING ASIDE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, JUST LOOKING AT THAT SITE IN A VACUUM, IS IT, UM, DESIGN SITE OF THE MASS IN THE MANNER WHICH IS SENSITIVE TO THE EXISTING IMPROVEMENT ON THAT SITE AND THEN TAKING A STEP BACK, IS IT APPROPRIATE AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE ENVIRONMENT AND ADJACENT STRUCTURES, WHICH WOULD BE OUR NEIGHBORING OBJECTOR.
RIGHT? SO IT'S TWO DIFFERENT, I AGREE.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT IN A VACUUM, BUT TO ME THAT'S WHAT THESE TWO DIFFERENT PROVISIONS ADDRESS, UM, THAT'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS.
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I KIND OF, I KIND OF FEEL THAT, UM, THAT D IS AN UMBRELLA THAT COVERS M AND M IS MORE SPECIFIC.IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS MEAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE WHAT AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE DRIVEWAY, TO THE WHATEVER.
UM, AND SO IT'S MORE SPECIFIC, 'CAUSE IT'S A DESIGN, WHICH IS THIS BUILDING SITE IS MORE SPECIFIC THAN THE BUILDING ENVIRONMENT AND IT'S, UH, ADJACENT STRUCTURES.
SO I KIND OF SEE D AS BEING AN UMBRELLA THAT, THAT, UM, INCLUDES M THEY'RE NOT THE SAME, BUT THEY'RE, BUT ONE INTERPRETS THE ENTIRETY OF WHAT THE OTHER ONE CONTAINS.
I THINK M REFINES D IF YOU WILL, IT'S MORE SPECIFIC BUT ALSO MORE AMBIGUOUS.
'CAUSE WHAT ARE EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS? I MEAN, IT'S MORE SPECIFIC.
'CAUSE IT SAYS BUILDING SITE RATHER THAN ENVIRONMENT, BUT IT SAYS EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS RATHER THAN THE BUILDING ITSELF.
IT, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A STRUCTURE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STRUCTURE AS IT EXISTS, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ON IT, EITHER OVER TIME HISTORICALLY OR BEING PROPOSED TO BE MADE ON IT CURRENTLY.
AND THEN THAT I THINK IS, IS PROBABLY THE THINKING WHY, UM, THIS WAS REDUNDANT, NOT BECAUSE IT'S A REPEAT, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A SUBSET OF ANOTHER, OF ANOTHER PROPOSAL.
SO, BUT PERHAPS FROM A LEGISLATIVE STANDPOINT, IF WE WERE TO BRING THEM TOGETHER, IT WOULD YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T MIND.
ARE WE AT A POINT WHERE THIS CAN BE WORDSMITHED A BIT OR ARE WE NOT AT THAT POINT? WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND DOES THAT HAVE TO GO BACK TO PLANNING FOR APPROVAL? NO.
I WOULD, I WOULD, I MEAN, I, I DON'T SEE IT AS BEING, I, I DIDN'T READ IT AS BEING, AS BEING, UM, AS BEING NECESSARY TO UNDERSTAND.
I, I DIDN'T THINK IT PROVIDED THAT MUCH MORE, ANY STRUCTURE THAT DIDN'T ALREADY EXIST IN DI DIDN'T THINK M OFFERED ANYTHING MORE.
I THOUGHT IT OFFERED MORE SPECIFICS, BUT WOULD BE, WHICH WOULD BE COVERED IN D BUT PERHAPS TO CLARIFY, SINCE THERE'S SOME AMBIGUITY THAT COULD BE, IT COULD, IT COULD BE THIS COULD BE D COULD BE MODIFIED TO INCLUDE, UM, PROPOSED STRUCTURE, UM, ADD, UM, YOU KNOW, BUILDING SITE OR ADDITIONS OR, YOU KNOW, NO ADDITIONS TO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE BUILDING SITE AND THEN, UM, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
AND THEN TO ENHANCE THE APPEARANCE, I GUESS I GO BACK TO, I MEAN, I READ D IT SAYS, OR THE PURPOSES FOR THE DISTRICT WAS CR WAS CREATED, LIKE D IS THE NEIGHBOR, LIKE EVERYBODY THE BIGGER PICTURE, RIGHT? IT'S PROPOSED STRUCTURE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S IT, THAT'S THE PROJECT.
AND THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE OR ADDITIONS OR ADDITION.
SO IT EXPANDS FROM THE, FROM THE PROJECT ITSELF OUT.
THAT'S WHAT I SEE IS HAPPENING HERE.
AND THAT'S WHY IT COVERS M WHICH IS JUST, THAT'S BUILDING SITE.
I GUESS MY POINT WAS IS THAT THIS SEEMS TO TALK ABOUT HOW THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED INTERACTS WITH THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN THIS TALKS ABOUT HOW WHATEVER CHANGE WITHIN THE PROJECT ITSELF INTERACTS WITH EXISTING STRUCTURES ON THAT SITE.
THAT'S, THAT'S TO ME THE DISTINCTION.
AND I MEAN, AND IF, IF I COULD JUST ALSO POINT OUT, AND YOU CAN SEE MAYBE WHY THIS IS NECESSARY NOW, WHY WE WORKED ON THIS COMMITTEE.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, THOSE ARE STAYING IN, AND WE HAVE A STANDARD THAT SAYS NEW ADDITIONS, EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS OR RELATED NEW CONSTRUCTION SHALL NOT DESTROY HISTORIC MATERIALS THAT CHARACTERIZE, OH WAIT, IS THAT THE, UM, HOLD ON.
NEW WORK SHALL BE DIFFERENTIATED FROM THE OLD AND SHALL BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MASSING SIZE, SCALE, AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES TO PROTECT THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE PROPERTY AND ITS ENVIRONMENT.
SO THAT'S ALSO VERY SIMILAR TO THESE.
UM, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS ARE 10, THOSE ARE REMAINING HERE.
UM, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE GOLD STANDARD.
SO I DO THINK THAT ALSO COVERS SOME OF THIS.
SO LET'S, LET'S GO THROUGH THE, LET'S GO THROUGH THE OTHER TWO TOO.
I, I THINK MAYBE THERE COULD BE SOME WORDSMITHING THERE.
BUT I, I JUST, I'M, I'M, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO FIND THE WORDS THAT THIS PHRASES THAT YOU PUT IN TAKE FROM M AND PUT IN D THAT WOULD MAKE, THAT WOULD STRENGTHEN.
DII JUST, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING LINDSAY, YOU HAVE IN MIND.
LINDSAY, ARE YOU, UM, ARE YOU FOCUSED ON, IN MM REFERENCES THE EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING AGAIN, FOR ME? YEAH.
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HOW CHANGES A PROJECT COMING BEFORE US, ESPECIALLY, UM, AN ADDITION INTERACTS WITH THE BUILDINGS ON THAT, LIKE WHATEVER EXISTS ON THAT SITE, RIGHT ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY VERSUS HOW THE PROJECT, ITS THE ENTIRE PROJECT INTERACTS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT LARGE IN THE DISTRICT AT LARGE.DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM
SO I'M JUST THINKING IS IT A, IS IT A CLARIFICATION TO A, IN LOOKING AT D IS IT, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING A CLARIFICATION TO WHAT IS ADJACENT STRUCTURES? I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT J ON PAGE EIGHT, ANY PROPOSED NEW STRUCTURE SHALL HAVE AN ORIENTATION AND MASSING, WHICH IS SENSITIVE AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE BUILDING SITE AND SURROUNDING AREA IN WHICH CREATES OR MAINTAINS IMPORTANT VIEW CORRIDORS.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT ALSO IS SIMILAR MM-HMM
BECAUSE THAT'S SPECIFIC TO THE BUILDING SITE.
UM, SO I THINK IF YOU TAKE JE AND D TOGETHER PLUS THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR S STANDARDS, YEAH, MAYBE IT'S, I I DO THINK WE'RE COVERED.
UM, BUT I'M, I'M HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, INCORPORATE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, I MEAN MAYBE IT'S ANY NEW PROPOSED STRUCTURE OR ADDITION ON A BUILDING SITE, RIGHT? BECAUSE ONE IS TALKING, I, YOU KNOW, I, AGAIN, WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF ADDITION? AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S, DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE A DEFINED TERM.
UM, AT LEAST LOOKING AT THIS, UM, UM, LINDSAY, IS YOUR QUESTION WHETHER ADDITIONS TO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE INCLUDES LIKE A GROUND LEVEL EDITION? I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN.
IN D IT SAYS THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE OR ADDITIONS TO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE.
AND THEN AGAIN, TO ME, D TALKS ABOUT HOW THE PROJECT EXISTS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE DISTRICT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ET CETERA.
AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT THE SITE ITSELF AND HOW THINGS ARE MASSED ORIENTED, SITUATED ON THE SITE.
AND I AGREE WITH DEBBIE THAT JAY DOES SEEM TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT.
AND SO PERHAPS J AND M ARE THE BETTER COMBINATION RATHER THAN M AND D.
WELL, THEY BOTH ARE FUTURE LOOKING.
JAY IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT A NEW STRUCTURE SHALL HAVE.
AND M IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT A BUILDING SITE SHALL BE.
SO ANY NEW PROPOSED STRUCTURE OR ANY ADDITION ON A BUILDING SITE, YOU KNOW, SHALL HAVE AN ORIENTATION AND MASSING AND SHALL BE DESIGNED INSIDED IN A MANNER WHICH IS SENSITIVE AND COMPATIBLE.
YEAH, BUT I WAS JUST SAYING, YEAH.
SO ANY NEW PROPOSED STRUCTURE AND BUILDING OR ADDITION ON A BUILDING SITE, NO ADDITION ADDITIONS ARE OKAY.
UM, SHALL HAVE AN ORIENTATION AND MASSING AND SHALL BE DESIGNED AND SIDED.
DO YOU MEAN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE? WELL, SO AGAIN, J IS A PROPOSED NEW STRUCTURE.
SO I MEAN, WHICH PRESUMABLY WOULD BE A NEW STRUCTURE.
WELL, IS IT, IS IT THAT OR OR IS IT ADDITION? OR IS IT AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING BUILDING? WELL, THE ADDITION ITSELF IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THE ADDITION IS A NEW STRUCTURE, OTHERWISE IT WOULDN'T BE AN ADDITION.
IT WOULD BE THE STRUCTURE FAIR.
I, I MEAN, BUT MY QUESTION IS, WELL, I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU DO AN ADDITION ON YOUR HOUSE, IT'S A NEW THING.
THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED AN ADDITION AND ADD ON
I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE TO DO, I'M NOT SURE THIS HELPS THE, THE BOARD STRENGTHEN.
I I THINK WE POINT, I THINK IT'S A, WELL, I GUESS MAYBE THERE'S A SIMPLE WAY TO, UM, INCLUDE IT.
THE POINT IS IT GIVES IT THE FOCUS AND ON THAT PARTICULAR PROBLEM OH, YOU MEAN LEAVE M IN? YEAH, LEAVE IT IN AND IT GIVES IT THE FOCUS.
HOW DOES THE FOCUS DIFFER IN, BECAUSE FROM ANYTHING ELSE, LOOK HOW AMBIGUOUS THIS IS.
YOU GUYS ARE EXPERTS WHO DO THIS ALL THE TIME.
I MEAN, REVIEW THE DESIGN REVIEW CRITERIA, AND YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE EVEN ARTICULATING HOW TO DO IT.
IF YOU CAN'T ARTICULATE IT EASILY, THEN THERE'S A PROBLEM WOULD BE ABLE TO APPLY IT.
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO ARTICULATE HOW TO INCLUDE WHAT'S MISSING, WHAT M IS PROVIDING, WHAT THE LACK IS.
IT'S, IT'S A SITE SPECIFIC AS, AS POINTED OUT BY MS LEVEL.
IT'S A SITE SPECIFIC ANALYSIS AS AGAINST THE NEIGHBORHOOD ANALYSIS.
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LOOKING AT ANOTHER, DOES IT WORK WITHIN THE SITE ITSELF? BUT J IS A SITE SPECIFIC ANALYSIS TOO.WHY, WHY, WHY DOESN'T JAY COVER IT BETWEEN AND ING, BUT IT'S, AND THE SURROUNDING LOOKING AT SURROUNDING AIR, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO GO BACK.
SO YOU LOOK, IS IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? THEN YOU LOOK AT IS IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJOINING BUILDING PROPERTIES, THE BUILDING, THEN YOU LOOK BUILDING, IS IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE BUILDINGS ON THE SITE ITSELF? RIGHT? SO THERE'S DIFFERENT LAYERS.
THAT'S, JAY SAYS THAT ALREADY.
I, I, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THAT THE LANGUAGE IN D IS, I HEAR WHAT EVERYONE'S SAYING, BUT I THINK THE LANGUAGE IN D IS REALLY THE BROADEST BY SAYING THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE OR ADDITIONS TO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE ARE APPROPRIATE TO AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE ENVIRONMENT AND ADJACENT STRUCTURES.
ADJACENT STRUCTURES MEANS ON THE SITE OR NOT.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE HEADING UNDER NUMBER TWO, WHICH ALL OF THESE ARE UNDER NUMBER TWO, IT TALKS ABOUT MM-HMM
RE, YOU KNOW, COMPAT CONSISTENCY WITH REGARD TO AESTHETICS, APPEARANCES, COMPATIBILITY, SAFETY AND FUNCTION OF ANY NEW OR EXISTING STRUCTURE.
I FIND IT VERY HARD TO DIS TO DISCERN ANYTHING IN M THAT ISN'T COVERED ELSEWHERE.
M SEEMS KIND OF TO MY MIND, AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A, A WITHDRAWAL OF POWER.
IT'S JUST, IT'S ALREADY THERE.
IT'S GONNA BE, I KNOW HOW IT WORKS AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME MAJOR, AND IF I MONTH GO SAYING, UH, NO, THAT THAT CRITERIA, THAT SPECIFIC CRITERIA INTERNALLY IN ONE SITE HAS BEEN REMOVED.
AND I KNOW IT BECAUSE I'VE ACTUALLY, BUT IF YOU LOOK ARGUMENT ARGUMENTS, IF YOU LOOK AT NUMBER TWO, HIS, IT SAYS IN RELATION TO THE SITE ADJACENT STRUCTURES AND PROPERTIES AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, RIGHT? ALL OF THESE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO REQUIRE COMPLIANCE WITH NUMBER TWO, THE GOAL THAT, BUT THEN IT LIMITS ITSELF BY SAYING THESE CRITERIA REFERENCE ABOVE ARE AS FOLLOWS, AND THEN IT DEFINES IT AND LIMITS IT TO THE, THOSE PARTICULAR CRITERIA IF YOU READ IT.
SO THE PROBLEM IS, IS IT'S THERE AND NOW IT'S GONNA BE REMOVED AND I, HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WE CAN INCLUDE IT AND MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THAT SITE SPECIFIC ANALYSIS HAS TO BE DONE.
I'M JUST COMING, BRINGING OUT THIS PROBLEM.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION ADDING IT TO ONE CRITERIA OR ANOTHER, BUT I KNOW HOW DEVELOP DEVELOPERS ARE NOW GONNA DO, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
AND I KNOW THEY'LL COME IN THERE AND WITH THEIR LAWYERS AND THEY'RE GONNA SAY, THIS CRITERIA, THIS SITE SPECIFIC ANALYSIS WAS REMOVED BY THIS BOARD.
THE CITY MADE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT TO TAKE THIS OUT.
THEY'LL SAY IT'S BEEN OVERREGULATED, IT'S BEEN APPROPRIATELY HANDLED.
I MEAN, YOU'LL SEE IT, PEOPLE SAY A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.
I'M SAYING I KNOW I'M TRYING TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.
BUT IF, IF REALLY I KNOW HOW IT WORKS, THE EVALUATION, BUT WE CAN PUT ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN SITE SPECIFIC SITE SPECIFICITY, WE CAN POINT TO JAY AND WE CAN SAY, THERE IT IS THIS BUILDING SITE.
IT, IT IS NOT ONLY AN MM, EVERY PIECE OF M IS LOCATED SOMEPLACE ELSE.
M HAS NOTHING UNIQUE IN IT, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY IT WAS TAKEN OUT AS BEING REDUNDANT.
NOW OBVIOUSLY THE ACT OF TAKING ANYTHING OUT OF ANYTHING IS, CAN BE CRITIQUE.
AND THE GOAL OF THIS EXERCISE AND THE DIRECTION THE COMMITTEE WAS GIVEN, UM, BY THE COMMISSION WAS TO STREAMLINE.
BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN FACING SOME REAL CHALLENGES WITH HIGHER AUTHORITIES PREEMPTING US.
I I DON'T THINK THERE'S A SINGLE PERSON WHO WORKS FOR THE CITY, UM, OR WHO SITS ON A COMMITTEE THAT IS HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
UM, SO THE GOAL HERE WAS TO, UM, STREAMLINE, CLARIFY, MAKE THE PROCESS, UM, MORE TRANSPARENT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THESE CRITERIA AND IMAGINE A LAY PERSON OR, OR A PROPERTY OWNER, YOU KNOW, IT IS CONFUSING BECAUSE THEY DO SOUND THE SAME OR MEAN THE SAME THING.
UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN COMPARING OUR LIST OF CRITERIA TO OTHER HIGHLY REPUTABLE HISTORIC COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, CHARLESTON, SAVANNAH, NEW YORK CITY, WASHINGTON, DC OURS WERE EXTENSIVE.
I MEAN, I'M SAYING, I'M SAYING MAYBE THREE TO FOUR TIMES MORE REVIEW CRITERIA THAN, THAN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE IMAGE OF, OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN THE CITY.
ALL OF THE INCREDIBLE HISTORIC PRESERVATION WORK, UM, THAT THE CITY HAS DONE OVER THE PAST, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE DECADES SHOULDN'T BE OVERSHADOWED IN BUREAUCRACY.
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RIGHT.UM, AND I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE GOALS.
I I THINK THIS IS A, A PRETTY EA I THINK THIS IS A, A PRETTY GOOD EX A GOOD EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ELIMINATED WITHOUT ELIMINATING CONTENT, BUT CAN STREAMLINE THIS DOCUMENT.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT, UM, THAT MR. ROBBINS POINTED OUT THAT I WAS ALSO INTERESTED IN KIND OF FOLLOWING UP WITH YOU THAT WERE SEEM, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE 50,000, UH, SQUARE FOOT, UM, RECOMMENDATION YES.
UM, SO THIS RECOMMENDATION CAME, CAME DIRECTLY FROM THE COMMITTEE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD FLAGGED IT AS AN ONGOING CONCERN OF APPLICANTS.
UM, AND THE COMMITTEE LOOKED AT THE REGULATIONS.
WE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, A 50,000 SQUARE FOOT THRESHOLD FOR, UM, COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT TYPE ESTABLISHMENTS THAT REQUIRE, UH, PLANNING BOARD REVIEW.
SO THAT HAS BEEN THE THRESHOLD THE CITY HAS USED FOR HIGHER IMPACT DEVELOPMENTS IS A 50,000 GROSS SQUARE FOOT REQUIREMENT.
UM, THE PLANNING BOARD DOES NOT REVIEW, FOR EXAMPLE, 50,000 SQUARE FOOT PROJECTS IN MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS.
UM, BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S GONNA CAUSE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND OPERATIONAL IMPACTS IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, IT'S GONNA CAUSE THE SAME TYPE OF IMPACTS IN MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS.
SO THIS WOULD CAPTURE ALL OF THAT.
UM, I DIDN'T HAVE A NUMBER, UM, TO RECOMMEND, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, THE HIGHER THRESHOLD TYPE PROJECTS THAT WE SEND FOR ADDITIONAL REVIEWS IN GENERAL, UM, YOU KNOW, I DID NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE 50,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT DOES ADD, UM, SIGNIFICANT TIME MM-HMM
UH, IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS LOOKED AT DURING THE ACTUAL BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS.
UM, WE DO HAVE A TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT HERE, UM, THAT REVIEWS THESE TYPES OF, OF IMPACTS WHEN THE PROJECT IS MUCH FURTHER ALONG.
UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, UP TO THIS BOARD TO DETERMINE IF, IF YOU THINK A LOWER THRESHOLD IS BETTER.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, A LOT OF WORK IS DONE BEFORE THIS, THIS HEARING WITH TRANSPORTATION AND AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT.
SO WE, THE CITY DOES HAVE AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT LOOK AT ALL OF THESE, UM, UH, TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE USED TO DENY A PROJECT, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO IF A PROJECT IS GOING TO HAVE A TRAFFIC IMPACT, THAT'S NOT A BASIS FOR THIS BOARD TO DENY AN APPLICATION.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, MISPERCEPTION OUT THERE THAT, OH, IF IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA INCREASE TRAFFIC SO THIS BOARD CAN DENY THE PROJECT THAT'S ACTUALLY LEGALLY NOT THE CASE.
UM, SO IT DID SEEM AT LEAST IN SOME INSTANCES THAT IT MAY BE CREATING UNNECESSARY, UM, BUREAUCRACY AND DELAYS FOR CERTAIN APPLICANTS.
NOT TO SAY THAT TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IS COMPLETELY IGNORED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS BECAUSE IT IS LOOKED AT, UM, DURING THE PERMITTING.
I THINK THE REAL CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION ANALYSIS WHEN PEOPLE PULL OUT BUILDINGS, WHICH WAY THEY GO, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
HOW IS EVERYTHING REGULATED? AND THAT'S REALLY, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED A FULL BLOWN TRAFFIC STUDY ON IT, BUT YOU, THERE'S PARTS OF THAT THAT ARE VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE NO, THERE'S NO SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS BEING PRESENTED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
AND, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY BUILDING 25,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME, YOU KNOW, A MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING WITH, YOU KNOW, 40 UNITS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE LOOKING AT THAT AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE.
AND THEN IT'S DROPPED ON THE LAP OF WHAT? OF WHO? THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE A REVIEW PROCESS.
SO THAT ANALYSIS IS NEVER DONE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE MORE PROBLEMS. I DON'T, I AGREE THAT A FULL BLOWN TRAFFIC STUDY, YOU KNOW, TENS OF THOUSANDS DOLLARS MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN THIS BOARD GET FRUSTRATED, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, OF COURSE, WE DON'T HAVE REGULATORY POWER TO STOP SOMETHING JUST 'CAUSE IT ADDS, UM, CARS, BUT CERTAINLY SHOULD HAVE ABILITY TO HANDLE THINGS THAT ARE IMPACTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IMPACTING, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVEWAYS AND THE WALKWAYS, THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT COULD BE ACTUALLY AFFECTED BY THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.
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THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TYPE OF REVIEW PROCESS, ESPECIALLY WHEN MOST OF THESE BUILDING, WHEN IT'S UNDER 50,000 SQUARE FEET, IT'S NOT EVEN GONNA GO BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD.SO THERE'S NO MEANS FOR THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE AND TO BRING THAT ISSUE TO YOUR, YOU KNOW, UH, TO YOUR ATTENTION.
AND IT'S THOSE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE BEING ACTUALLY IMPACTED, AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA SPEAK UP.
AND THEN ONCE IT'S APPROVED, WHAT HAPPENS, THEY'RE STUCK WITH IT.
UM, YOU GUYS STILL WORKING ON LANGUAGE FOR THE, UH, PREVIEW ONE? PREVIOUS ONE I'VE PUT TOGETHER? WHICH ONE? FOR THIS? FOR TRANSPORTATION? NO, FOR THE PREVIOUS ONE, BUT I, I PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER.
UM, SO SINCE WE WERE DISCUSSING, PERHAPS J COULD BE MODIFIED TO INCORPORATE THE THINGS OKAY.
THAT AT LEAST I THOUGHT WERE MISSING MM-HMM
UM, AND I ALSO GOT RID OF SOME NOMINALIZATIONS, BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
UM, ANY PROPOSED NEW STRUCTURE OR OR ADDITION ON A BUILDING SITE SHALL BE ORIENTED, DESIGNED, CITED, AND MASKED IN A MANNER WHICH IS SENSITIVE TO AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE, OR, SORRY, WITH EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS, THE BUILDING SITE AND SURROUNDING AREA, AND WHICH CREATES OR MAINTAINS IMPORTANT VIEW CORRIDORS.
I, I THINK THAT WORD IS THE KEY, IF I MAY, THE WORD DESIGNED, TAKEN OUT OF, UH, N AND PLACED INTO J.
AND THE REASON IS, FOR, AS AN EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY I BUILD A TWO STORY EDITION.
I CAN MASS IT, I CAN ORIENT IT IN SUCH A WAY, BUT IF I DON'T PLACE ANY WINDOWS, IF YOU WILL, THAT'S WHICH IS PART OF THE DESIGN, THEN I'M JUST CREATING A BLANK WALL, WHICH MY NEIGHBOR MAY HAVE TO STARE INTO, OR ANYBODY FROM THE STREET.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE OPERATIVE WORD.
I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT TO ME, THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, THE DESIGNED PORTION IN M IF WE'RE GONNA JOIN J AND M.
I ALSO THINK THAT, I MEAN, THERE'S PROBABLY AN ARGUMENT THAT ORIENTATION AND SIDING, I MEAN, THEY'RE DIFFERENT TO ME, BUT, BUT, SO THAT'S WHY I INCLUDED THEM ALL, AND, AND TO ME.
CLEARLY AT SOME POINT, SOME, FOR SOME REASON, THEY USED THE PHRASE NEW STRUCTURE AND ADDITION, AND THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY USE THEM INTERCHANGE.
NOW WHETHER THEY MEANT THEM INTERCHANGEABLY WHEN ORIGINALLY DRAFTING THIS OR NOT, I CAN'T SAY, BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN A NEW STRUCTURE AND AN ADDITION, THAT'S WHY I INCORPORATED THEM BOTH IN THE LANGUAGE.
I'M, I'M FINE WITH WHAT YOU PROPOSED.
I DO THINK IT'S REDUNDANT IN AND OF ITSELF, BUT IT'S NOT ADDING ANOTHER, IT'S NOT, IT'S TAKING AWAY M UM, WHICH I THINK, YOU KNOW, I, I DO THINK, I THINK ANYTHING THAT'S PROPOSED HAS BEEN, IS A DESIGN THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
LIKE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S, OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T PROPOSE IT, THERE WOULDN'T BE NO, THERE'D BE NOTHING THERE.
I MEAN, IF IT HADN'T BEEN DESIGNED WITH OR WITHOUT WINDOWS.
SO THAT'S, THAT WAS MY THINKING.
BUT IF THIS, IF, IF WE WANNA GO IN THAT ROUTE, I AM FINE WITH IT.
THANK YOU FOR THE WORDSMITHING.
NOW, BACK TO THE, UM, UH, CAN TRAFFIC, WHAT TRANSP TRANSPORTATION.
DEBBIE, I WANTED TO JUST ASK YOU ABOUT THAT.
LIKE, UM, OH, OR DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANNA SAY? TRANSPORTATION? WELL, I, TRANSPORTATION A QUESTION.
'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO PICTURE IN MY HEAD.
GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF LIKE 15,000 FEET VERSUS 40,000 SQUARE FEET.
DO WE NEED, WE STILL HAVE FOUR.
DO WE NEED FIVE THOUGH? DO WE NEED FIVE TO, TO MOVE THIS FORWARD? UH, NO.
THIS IS, THIS IS JUST GONNA BE A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, WERE YOU, YOU WERE, I WAS JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH AN EXAMPLE.
FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD THE PROJECT THAT WE, IN NORTH, IN NORTH BEACH THAT WE SAW, RIGHT.
AND THEN 50,000 WOULD BE, UM, I'M TRYING TO MAKE A FRAME OF REFERENCE.
THAT'S ALL
WHICH HOTEL? THE, THE, UM, 21ST STREET? YEAH.
THE, UM, SEA SEAGULL SEA, THE, IT USED TO BE THE, YEAH.
THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE LARGE.
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OKAY.WELL, DO YOU, DO YOU THINK THAT WE'RE, OR ARE PROJECTS THAT WOULD IMPACT TRANS THAT WOULD BENEFIT? I THINK PART OF THE, PART OF THE THINGS, PART OF WHAT MR. ROBBINS BROUGHT UP WAS THAT THE ANALYSIS, THAT THE ANALYSIS AND PLAN SHALL AT A MINIMUM PROVIDE THE FOLLOWING.
IT GOES THROUGH THESE FOUR THINGS, WHICH ARE QUITE ONEROUS, WHICH ARE, WHICH ARE A LOT, UM, RIGHT.
AND, AND THE BOARD DOES HAVE, IN OUR CRITERIA, UM, CIRCULATE, YOU KNOW, VEHICULAR CIRCULATION, PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION AS PART OF THE REVIEW CRITERIA.
WHAT THIS WOULD STREAMLINE IS THE STEPS BEFORE YOU GET TO THE BOARD, WHICH IS PROBABLY, AGAIN, A MONTH TO TWO TO THREE MONTHS BEFOREHAND, WORKING WITH TRANSPORTATION AND THEIR PEER REVIEWER TO GET THINGS APPROVED.
SO THIS BOARD WOULD STILL RETAIN THOSE CRITERIA TO LOOK AT GENERAL CIRCULATION, BOTH VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION WITHIN THE SITE.
SO MAYBE MY QUESTION IS, YEAH.
UM, I, I THINK IT'S, IS IT KIMLEY HORN THAT DOES THE, THE OFFICE HAVE THE, SO IF I, IF AN APPLICANT COMES BEFORE US AND HAS A BUILDING THAT'S SMALLER THAN 50,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT CLEARLY IT'S GONNA HAVE SOME SORT OF IMPACT ON TRAFFIC.
I THINK IT'S, SO WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASK THEM THOSE QUESTIONS AND, AND EX AND EXPECT THOSE THINGS AND ANALYZE IT BASED UPON THAT.
BUT IF THEY'VE NOT DONE THE WORK IN ADVANCE, HOW DO WE DO THAT? OR IS THAT GONNA BE, I MEAN, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS STAFF GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE A CONCERN, YOU SHOULD PERHAPS LOOK INTO THIS, BUT IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT AT THIS POINT.
I MEAN, DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS, IN THE INITIAL MEETINGS WITH STAFF, WE COMMENT ON, YOU KNOW, CIRCULATION AND BOTH PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR CIRCULATION.
UM, WHEN REVIEWING PROJECTS, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MINIMUM CRITERIA FOR, FOR PARKING AREAS AND TURNAROUND RADIUS AND LOADING AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT IN IDENTIFYING ANY MAJOR ISSUES THAT WE SEE.
AND CERTAINLY WE WOULD BRING THOSE TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION.
THIS, THIS WOULD ELIMINATE THAT FORMAL PROCESS OF THE SUBMITTING THE METHODOLOGY, HAVING A PEER REVIEW, UM, TEAM LOOK AT THIS.
AND THEN THE BACK AND FORTH WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, OUR PEER REVIEWER, AND THE APPLICANT'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.
I, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, OUR RESIDENT WHO CALLED IN EARLIER, UM, YOU KNOW, I DRIVE BY, UM, NEAR TOWER ON FIFTH AND ALTON EVERY SINGLE DAY WHO WAY BIGGER THAN 50,000 SQUARE FEET DEFINITELY HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN ADVANCE.
AND EVERY SINGLE DAY, THERE ARE TRUCKS IN THE WAY.
THERE ARE PARKED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBLEMATIC AND THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS, RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW, EVEN, EVEN WHEN THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE STILL RUN INTO ISSUES.
AND SO I, I MEAN, I GUESS THE LIFT ASSOCIATED WITH IT FOR A SMALLER SCALE DEVELOPMENT IS, I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S PROBABLY THE REASONING, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK SO.
THAT'S JUST TOO BIG, TOO MUCH FOR, FOR THE BUILDING, SAY IN NORTH, IN NORTH BEACH THAT WE SAW TODAY TO GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE THING.
TO PUT SIX PARKING PARKED CARS ON THE, ON THE SITE.
AND WHICH WOULD BE THE, I THINK WHAT MR. ROBINSON WAS KINDA SUGGESTING WAS IN THE RANGE OF BUILDINGS THAT WERE NOT BEING CAPTURED ANYMORE, WERE NOT BEING, THEIR IMPACT WASN'T BEING EXPLORED ANYMORE.
I, I DON'T, I I, I SEE THE SIDE OF THAT.
YOU DO UHHUH,
YOU KNOW, SO HALF OF THAT IS 60.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BIG PROJECT, BUT IT'S NOT THAT BIG.
UM, BUT I CAN ALSO UNDERSTAND THE LIFT OF A, A MUCH SMALLER PROJECT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, 15,000 SQUARE FEET, FOUR UNITS MM-HMM
UM, THE LIFT OF GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS FORMALLY IN ADVANCE OF EVEN GETTING TO THIS BOARD.
UM, AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, I KIND OF AS COLOR TO THE ART OR COLOR TO THE DISCUSSION
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IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I SEE ONES WHO, WHO'VE GONE THROUGH THAT FORMAL PROCESS, WHO, WHO COULD CARRY THE LIFT MM-HMMSO THIS IS THE THING, IF THEY DON'T CONSIDER IT BEFORE THEY BUILD AND THEY MISS IT, AND YOU DON'T HAVE A PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC PERSON LOOKING AT IT, AND THEY BUILD IT OUT, YOU'RE STUCK.
IS THAT A POSSIBILITY, DEBBIE? IS THAT, IS THAT A, IS THAT A, LIKE, NOBODY WOULD SAY, HAVE YOU BEEN THINKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION? YOU HOPE THEY'RE NOT, BUT THERE'S NO FORMALITY AND FORMALITY.
NO, BUT I'M WONDERING, IN THE OTHER STAGES OF THE PROCESS, ARE THERE OTHER REVIEWS? SO THE ONUS WOULD BE ON STAFF TO SAY, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS IN THIS BOARD TO THEN MAKE SURE THAT IT HAPPENED, ASSUMING IT COMES BEFORE US.
YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO IF IT WAS LESS THAN 50,000 SQUARE FEET.
REALLY, I MEAN, DURING THE PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS, ALL OF THAT COMES UP, EVEN FOR SMALLER PROJECTS THAN 50,000 UNDER THIS NEW, I MEAN, I THINK IF WE HAVE AN ISSUE FLAGGED, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, LOADING ISSUES OR PARKING, CIRCULATION ISSUES, I MEAN, WE HAVE VERY CLEAR STANDARDS FOR, YOU KNOW, DRIVEWAY WIDTHS AND CURB CUTS AND ALL OF THOSE.
WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE DO WE RECALL OF THE PROJECT THAT WE RECENTLY LOOKED AT ON WASHINGTON? THE COMBINED DEVELOPMENT? UM, THAT'S WELL OVER 50,000.
I, I JUST KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THEY WERE HANDLING THEIR LOADING AND THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER.
I MEAN, THAT'S A, THAT'S WELL OVER 50,000.
JUST, AND THEY ADDED RESIDENTIAL IN HERE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA BE FOR MULTIFAMILY, I GUESS TO INCLUDE MULTIFAMILY.
I THINK IT'S PRIMARILY THIS, PRIMARILY THE CIRCULATION ANALYSIS THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT DEBBIE DOESN'T DO A GREAT JOB AND THE STAFF DOESN'T DO, WE HAVE A REALLY GREAT STAFF, BUT THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION.
AND WITHOUT HAVING A PUBLIC COMING OUT THERE AND LOOKING AT IT, IT'S UNFORTUNATE.
BUT THEN IT'S THE SAME PUBLIC THAT'S GONNA GET STUCK WITH IT.
SO IF THERE COULD BE SOME TYPE OF, EVEN NOT FORMAL, BUT A, A CIRCULATION ANALYSIS OR SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
AND EVEN IF IT'S A CIVIL ENGINEER, NOT TRAFFIC ENGINEER, SOMEBODY TO MAKE THAT ANALYSIS TO MAKE CERTAIN, ALL THOSE PROBLEMS ARE LOOKED AT.
AT LEAST I'M NOT EXPECTING PERFECTION, BUT I, YOU KNOW, JUST TO GET IT OUT THERE, THAT'S A SUGGESTION.
I'M, I'M THINKING THAT, I'M JUST THINKING THAT 50,000 MIGHT BE WAY MUCH HIGHER.
'CAUSE THEN NOBODY'S FORMALLY LOOKING AT IT.
I'M, I'M, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE 50,000 AS A, AS A THAT WE TRY THAT.
I MEAN, WHAT DO WE DO THEN? WE, WELL, I MEAN, IT'S AMENDMENT.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST A, WE'RE GONNA TRY IT AND SEE HOW IT WORKS,
I KNOW, BUT WE CAN PROMOTE, I KNOW IT'S NOT LIKE A TRIAL PERIOD, BUT WE, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE CODE WAS LAST AMENDED, BUT MAYBE IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE TO PICK A NUM.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PICK A NUMBER OUT OF A HAT.
IS THERE SOME MIDDLE GROUND FOR THE 15,000 TO 50,000 THAT'S NOT A FULL PEER REVIEWED TRANSPORTATION.
IS THERE SOMETHING, A LESSER SCOPE THAT COULD BE DONE? I, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THIS TO SPEAK TO WHAT COULD OR COULDN'T BE DONE.
LET ME ASK LIKE THAT QUESTION, MAYBE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY.
OF THE FOUR THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THAT ARE ALL REQUIRED, IS THERE ONE THAT COULD JUST BE REQUIRED IF YOU'RE BETWEEN FIVE AND 50? OR LIKE, SO THAT IT'S A LIGHTER LOAD, LIKE EITHER THE DETAILS OF THE IMPACT OF, OR IS IT OR STRATEGY IS TO MITIGATE, OR, YOU KNOW, UM, COULD ONE AND TWO BE REQUIRED IF YOU'RE BETWEEN FIVE AND, UM, I'M ON PAGE SEVEN OF SEVEN.
UH, ONE OF TWO, ONE AND TWO BE REQUIRED.
IF YOU'RE BETWEEN 5,000 AND 50,000 AND ALL ARE REQUIRED IF YOU'RE ABOVE 50,000, OR IS DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL? I WOULD, I WOULD WANNA CONSULT WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
WHO HAS MUCH MORE EXPERIENCE, UM, WITH THE SUBMITTAL OF THESE STUDIES, UM, YOU KNOW, TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE YEAH.
AND HAVE YOU FOUND THAT, UM, PROJECTS THAT ARE FIVE THAT ARE OVER 5,000, BUT JUST OVER 5,000 HAVE TROUBLE WITH THIS? YES.
SO IT'S REALLY A, A BOTTLENECK THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS.
IT'S A BOTTLENECK, LIKE QUICKLY.
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NO DOUBT IT'S A BOTTLENECK.I IMAGINE IT'S, I MEAN, IT CAN'T BE INEXPENSIVE ANYTHING.
SO I'D RATHER, I'D RATHER KEEP THE HIGHER, I, I'D RATHER HAVE IT BE SOMEHOW THE LANGUAGE BE IN THERE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S WHILE, UM, TRANSPORTATION, UH, ANALYSIS AND MITIGATION PLANS ARE RECOMMENDED FOR EVERY APPLICANT.
UM, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL MISUSE DEVELOPMENTS OVER 50,000.
SO THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE THAT SAYS IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T VALUE THIS, THAT IT'S THAT WE'RE EXPECTING THIS TO BE SOMEHOW ADDRESSED.
UH, THIS ONE IN THIS, THIS DOCUMENT THOUGH.
THE SEVEN OF SEVEN, THE LAST PAGE SEVEN, SEVEN HAVE THAT THERE.
IT MAYBE SOMETHING IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE, THE TOP PART.
AM I READING THE, THE DRAFT CORRECTLY OR IS THAT NOT THE DRAFT? IS THIS JUST THE, UH, THIS IS JUST THE, THIS IS RICK'S, UH, THIS IS RICK'S MEMO, BUT IT'S NOT THE, UM, BUT THAT'S HOW, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH HOW IT IS IN THE OKAY.
COULD IT BE THAT? UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE POINT IS THAT WE WANT TO, WE WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT TRANSPORTATION, UH, TRANSPORTATION'S IMPORTANT TO PROJECTS THAT OF ANY SCALE.
AND THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT THIS MEANS YOU DON'T HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT IF YOU'RE LESS THAN 50,000.
WELL, AND I, I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S IN YOUR CRITERIA.
UM, AND IT'S IN, YOU KNOW, STAFF CRITERIA TOO.
SO WHEN WE MEET WITH AN APPLICANT AND THERE, THERE CAN BE AN ISSUE, IT'S STILL INFORMATION THAT CAN BE REQUESTED.
SO, I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S THEIRS THAT, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS BETWEEN FIVE AND 50, YOU KNOW, FIVE AND 49, 9, 9 9, UM, YOU KNOW, CAN BE REQUIRED.
YOU KNOW, SHOULD STAFF REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE AS, CAN YOU POINT TO, AS PER LIKE THE, UM, THE LINE THAT THAT NOTES THAT TRANSPORTATION WILL BE REVIEWED.
WHERE IS THAT IN THE, THAT'S IN YOUR CRITERIA.
CRITERIA? UM, IS IT, WHICH ONE IS IT? ON PAGE SEVEN, F PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC MOVEMENT WITHIN AND ADJACENT TO THE SITE SHALL BE REVIEWED TO ENSURE MM-HMM
THAT CLEARLY DEFINED SEGREGATED PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE SITE IN ALL BUILDINGS IS PROVIDED FOR, AND THAT ANY DRIVEWAYS AND PARKING SPACES ARE USABLE, SAFELY AND CONVENIENTLY ARRANGED AND HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT ON PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
ACCESS TO THE SITE FROM ADJACENT ROADS SHALL BE DESIGNED SO AS TO INTERFERE AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE WITH VEHICULAR TRAFFIC FLOW ON THESE ROADS AND PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT ONTO AND WITHIN THE SITE, AS WELL AS PERMIT BOTH PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICLES, A SAFE INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THE SITE.
SHOULD WE BE ADDING BICYCLES TO THAT? BECAUSE WE MEAN, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE CITY MADE THE BOLD STATEMENT, VEHICULAR PEDESTRIANS WERE FIRST BICYCLES FOR SECOND CARS FOR THIRD.
AND, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT AT ALL.
VEHICULAR DOES NOT INCLUDE BICYCLES.
I HAVE AN IDEA IN HOW THIS COULD BE SOLVED.
I THINK THAT IT DO THE 50,000 TO START WITH, BUT TO RESERVE THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD SHOULD IT IDENTIFY SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC ISSUES TO BE ABLE TO ORDER A PLAN FOR ANY PROJECT OVER 20,000 OR ANYTHING FOR ANY PROJECT.
SO IF THERE'S A PROBLEM AND IT'S ADDRESSED AND IDENTIFIED, THEN THIS BOARD WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK FOR SUCH A PLAN.
I, AND WOULDN'T WE ALREADY BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN, BASED ON THAT, BASED ON F SO, AND, AND I, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD COMPEL 'EM TO DO IT.
I DON'T THINK YOU'D SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE IT UNLESS YOU DO IT.
SO, SO HERE'S, HERE'S MY, HERE'S MY THANK YOU.
I, SO I TEND TO AGREE, BUT MY CONCERN IS IF, IF THE INFORMATION ISN'T AVAILABLE WHEN THEY COME BEFORE US, HOW LIKE THAT MEANS COME BACK ONCE YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
UM, THE BOARD DOES HAVE AUTHORITY TO, TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL STUDIES FROM APPLICANTS IN GENERAL, BY THE WAY.
IT DOESN'T, NOT NOT LIMITED TO, TO, TO TRAFFIC.
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I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WHATEVER, WHATEVER STANDARD IS GONNA APPLY, IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR AND MEASURABLE.AND, AND THAT'S WHY OBVIOUSLY IF STAFF FORESEES AN ISSUE, I, I THINK THAT THEY WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
I JUST, WHAT I DON'T WANT US TO GET INTO, AND I THINK WHAT WE MAY HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST, RIGHT? IS THAT SOMEONE COMES BEFORE US AND WE'RE LIKE, NOT QUITE COME BACK, NOT QUITE COME BACK, NOT QUITE COME BACK.
BECAUSE THEN THAT HAS THE PRACTICAL EFFECT OF CAUSING OTHER ISSUES.
AND SO ON ONE HAND IT'S ELIMINATING THE LIFT, THE REQUIREMENT OF THE LIFT, RIGHT.
OF THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY AND SAYING, WE'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE THIS OF YOU UPFRONT, BUT ALSO KNOW THAT IF YOU COME BEFORE THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY BE ASKING FOR THAT.
NOW, AGAIN, TYP, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY I THINK STAFF IS VERY GOOD AT IDENTIFYING THAT AND, AND WILL IDENTIFY THAT.
I HAVE, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT, YOU KNOW, DEBBIE AND JAKE WOULD DO THAT.
UM, BUT ALSO SOMETIMES WE DON'T AGREE WITH STAFF.
AND IF THEY COME BEFORE US, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'M NOT A TRAFFIC EXPERT
SO, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE INFORMATION PROVIDED, I GUESS THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE SOMEONE FROM PROVIDING IT TO DEMONSTRATE, LIKE, ON THEIR OWN, TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY SATISFY THAT.
UM, I, I'M PRETTY, I'M, I'M, I'M PRETTY, UH, CONFIDENT THAT WE COULD DO WHAT, UM, MR. ROBBINS RECOMMENDS IN SITUATIONS IN WHICH IT'S, IN WHICH IT'S NEEDED.
AND THAT WE, THAT'S OUR DISCRETION AS, AS YOU SAID, NICK.
AND THEN, UM, WE COULD LEAVE THIS WITH THE 50,000 TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, WE DON'T HIT PEOPLE WITH, YOU KNOW, LEASE TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS WHO DON'T NEED TO BE DOING THEM.
I DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER, UM, SPEAKER ON ZOOM.
OH WAIT, HE JUST PUT HIS HAND DOWN.
JOHN, ARE YOU THERE? OKAY, I THINK HE JUST LEFT.
SO THERE WAS A THIRD THING THAT, UM, MR. ROBINSON REC, UH, DISCUSSED.
AND THAT WAS, WHAT WAS THAT? THIS WAS THE, UH, THE REFERENDUM, THE REF, YEAH.
SO THE, THE CITY CHARTER, UM, THE CITY CHARTER REQUIRES THAT PRIOR TO ANY AMENDMENT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT REDUCES, EITHER REDUCES THE POWERS AND DUTIES OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD OR ADOPTS A LESS STRINGENT HISTORIC PRESERVATION STANDARD.
UM, THAT A, THAT A REFERENDUM IS REQUIRED.
STATE LAW WAS AMENDED, UH, UH, WITHIN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
I BELIEVE IT WAS IN, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 2023, UM, TO BROADLY PROHIBIT ANY REFERENDUM OR INITIATIVE PROCESS THAT RELATES TO A LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION.
SO ANY, ANY AMENDMENT TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE THAT, THAT, UH, THAT, THAT ADOPTS A LESS STRINGENT, THAT STANDARD, UM, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD NO LONGER REQUIRE A REFERENDUM.
COULD NO LONGER REQUIRE WE YEAH, YEAH.
FROM, FROM CALLING REFERENDUM.
WELL I THINK WE'VE, UM, BE BELABORED THIS.
ANY, ANYTHING, ANYTHING ELSE YOU GUYS WANNA ADD? UH,
UM, SO WE NEED A A, A CONSOLIDATED RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE GOOD.
SO, UH, DO WE MAKE A MOTION? MM-HMM
WELL, BEFORE, BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YEAH.
UM, THIS IS A SOFT STRAW POLL, I GUESS.
UM, ARE, ARE MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS AMENABLE TO THE, RECOMMEND THE MODIFICATIONS I RECOMMENDED AS TO THE SITE MASSING ORIENTATION DESIGN, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
I'LL HAND THAT OVER TO YOU WHEN I GET DONE, IF THAT'S OKAY.
JUST YES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
BEFORE YOU, JUST BEFORE YOU DO THAT, UM, IF THERE ARE SOME, LIKE, THERE, UM, PROBLEMS WITH THE NUMBERING, UH, ON THE DOCUMENT.
UM, SO THEN I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO
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SUPPORT THE FINAL REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION OF THE 2024 AD HOC HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE ADVISORY REVIEW COMMITTEE WITH THE LIMITED CHANGE TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THE REMOVED PROVISIONS FROM M IN, FROM TWO M INTO TWO J.AND I WILL PROVIDE, I CAN READ THEM.
DO YOU WANNA READ IT? CAN YOU READ IT? I'LL READ IT IN.
SO WE WOULD PRO, WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT TWO J OR SAY ANY PROPOSED NEW STRUCTURE OR ADDITION ON A BUILDING SITE, B ORIENTED, DESIGNED, CITED, AND MASKED IN A MANNER WHICH IS SENSITIVE TO AND COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS, THE BUILDING SITE AND SURROUNDING AREA, COMMA, AND WHICH CREATES OR MAINTAINS IMPORTANT VIEW CORRIDORS.
UM, I'M OKAY WITH GENERAL WORDSMITHING OF THAT OR ELIMINATION OF COMMAS IF I'VE GOT TOO MANY.
I LIKE THE OXFORD COMMA, SO I, AND WERE THERE ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE? THAT WAS IT.
UM, SO WITH THAT CHANGE WE WOULD, THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.
WE WOULD SUPPORT THE COMMITTEE'S REC REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION WITH THAT MINOR SUGGESTED REVISION.
[10. Land Use Incentives for Schools and Educational Facilities – Ordinance.]
UM, WE HAVE ONE LAST ITEM.UM, THIS IS ANOTHER PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT WILL IMPACT AS CURRENTLY DRAFTED.
UM, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD'S, UM, REVIEW AUTHORITY.
SO THIS IS AN ORDINANCE, UM, TO, AND A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO INCENTIVIZE THE DEVELOPMENT OF BUILDINGS FOR SCHOOL USE.
SO THIS IS SPECIFIC TO, UM, SCHOOLS.
UM, THIS WAS, UM, REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AT THEIR, UH, MAY MEETING.
UM, BASICALLY, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UM, WITH A, A MODIFICATION.
SO LET ME JUST SUMMARIZE WHAT THE ORDINANCE, AGAIN, TO INCENTIVIZE SCHOOL USES.
UM, BUT CITYWIDE WOULD ALSO IMPACT PROJECTS UNDER THE BOARD JURISDICTION.
UM, SO THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW ELIGIBLE EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES WOULD BE SUBJECT TO STAFF LEVEL REVIEW, BOTH WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND OUTSIDE OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
UM, AS LONG AS NEW CONSTRUCTION DID NOT EXCEED 25,000 SQUARE FEET OF NEW FLOOR AREA, UM, OR THE MAXIMUM, UH, ALLOWED, WHICHEVER IS LESS.
UM, THE BUILDING HEIGHT MAY NOT EXCEED 50 FEET, UM, OR THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE HEIGHT, WHICHEVER IS LESS CURRENTLY A, A PROJECT PROPOSED WITH THESE, UM, THRESHOLDS WOULD REQUIRE EITHER REVIEW BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD OR THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, UH, DEPENDING WHOSE JURISDICTION IT WAS IN.
SO THAT IS THE, THE CHA THIS SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT IMPACTS THIS BOARD'S REVIEW AUTHORITY.
UM, OTHER INCENTIVES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, ARE THAT ELIGIBLE, UM, EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES MAY REQUEST A COMMISSION WARRANT TO INCREASE FAR UP TO 10% OR NOT TO EXCEED 5,000 ADDITIONAL SQUARE FEET.
UM, EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES COULD ALSO SEEK WARRANTS FOR A 50% REDUCTION IN SETBACKS, OPEN SPACE, AND LOT COVERAGE.
CURRENTLY, ALL PROJECTS CAN SEEK A COMMISSION WARRANT FOR UP TO A 25% REDUCTION IN THESE, UM, IN COMMERCIAL AND HIGH INTENSITY DISTRICTS, CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED FOR FACILITIES THAT DO NOT EXCEED 50,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THERE WOULD ALSO BE A ELIMINATION OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR SCHOOL USE.
UM, THAT'S A BASIC SUMMARY OF THE INCENTIVES CONTAINED WITHIN THIS ORDINANCE.
AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE, BECAUSE THIS DOES IMPACT, UM, THE BOARD'S AUTHORITY, UH, FOR REVIEW, IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION, UM, WITH REGARD TO THAT SPECIFIC ELEMENT.
BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO DISCUSS, UM, THE ENTIRETY OF THE, OF THE ORDINANCE, UM, AS THE CITY.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS
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IS AS THE CITY IS REALLY, UM, WORKING TO TRANSITION AND HAVE A MORE BALANCED ECONOMY, UM, BALANCING RESIDENTIAL AND TOURISM, IT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS OR SO, WE'VE HAD A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN TOURISM AS WE'RE LOOKING TO INCENTIVIZE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT THE CITY.ONE OF THE AMENITIES THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK TO WHEN THEY'RE DECIDING WHICH COMMUNITY TO LIVE IN IS SCHOOLS.
UM, AND THERE IS A DESIRE TO ENHANCE, UM, THE, THE SELECTION AND THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF SCHOOLS, UH, FOR PEOPLE, EITHER EXISTING RESIDENTS OR PEOPLE LOOKING, UH, TO MOVE HERE.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL, UM, IN, IN INCENTIVIZING THAT, UH, DEBBIE, REMEMBER WE HAD, UH, WELL, WELL OVER A YEAR AGO, THE SCHOOL THAT CAME BEFORE US ON WASHINGTON AVENUE BETWEEN SECOND AND THIRD OR WHATEVER, HOW WOULD THIS HAVE AFFECTED THAT? 'CAUSE HE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPLA WITH SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW? CORRECT.
THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR SCHOOLS.
THAT, THAT PROJECT WAS REVIEWED SEVERAL TIMES BY THIS BOARD AND ALSO THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL USE IN GENERAL, UM, REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL.
SO THIS WOULD'VE STREAMLINED THAT PROCESS, UM, THAT WOULD'VE MET THOSE THRESHOLDS IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT AND THE, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE AND COULD HAVE BEEN REVIEWED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
NOW, I WILL SAY TO THAT POINT, UH, DURING THE PLANNING BOARD'S REVIEW A COUPLE WEEKS AGO OF THIS ORDINANCE, THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTED THE ORDINANCE AND ISSUED A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION, BUT WITH AN ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS REMAIN FOR ALL SCHOOLS, UM, THAT, THAT ARE CURRENTLY REQUIRED TO OBTAIN A CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL.
SO AS DRAFTED, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE WOULD ELIMINATE THAT, BUT THE PLANNING BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO KEEP THEIR REVIEW FOR CONDITIONAL USE IN, AND I THINK WE, WE WOULD DO THE SAME THING, BUT THE, THE PLANNING BOARD IS THE ONE THAT, THAT EVALUATES CONDITIONAL USE, UH, APPLICATIONS.
SO THEY WANTED TO KEEP THEIR REVIEW OF PROJECTS, BUT WE, I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD THAT IN THAT WE AGREED TO THAT.
IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S IN, THAT'S IN HERE THAT WE, THAT'S PART OF THIS PROCESS? WELL, FOR, FOR THIS BOARD, THE, THE BIGGEST CHANGE WOULD BE TO NOT, NOT REQUIRE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD REVIEW FOR PROJECTS THAT, THAT MET A MAXIMUM THRESHOLD.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, A 25,000 SQUARE FOOT NEW SCHOOL THAT DID NOT EXCEED 50 FEET IN HEIGHT WOULD NOT REQUIRE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD APPROVAL, BUT WOULD BE REVIEWED ADMINISTRATIVELY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS CRITERIA.
THIS WOULD NOT INCLUDE, AND I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, THIS WOULD NOT INCLUDE DEMOLITION, ANY DEMOLITION UNDER THIS, THE WAY IT'S DRAFTED WOULD CONTINUE TO REQUIRE THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
BUT WHEN WE WOULD APPROVE THE, WHEN WE WOULD REVIEW THE DEMOLITION APPLICATION, WE WOULD NOT SEE WHAT WE WOULD NOT BE, IT WOULD NOT COME BACK TO US WITH WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PROPOSE ON THE SITE.
AND WE WOULD HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT WAS BEING BUILT WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, CORRECT? MM.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
AND IS, AND SCHOOLS ARE SCHOOLS LIKE, UM, LIKE A CLASS OF TYPE OF AMENITIES FOR, UM, FOR COMMUNITIES THAT ARE, THAT INCLUDE OTHER THINGS LIKE GO AHEAD.
WE'RE KIND OF, AND I'M SURE THIS PROBABLY IS DEFINED, MR. CITY ATTORNEY SOMEWHERE, UM, WHAT USES THIS APPLIES TO COULD BE A LANGUAGE, WHAT IS DEFINED AS A SCHOOL USE? IS IT FIU, IS IT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS? IS IT ANY SORT OF EDUCATIONAL USE? I THINK IT'S ANY, YEAH, SO ANY THAT'S, THAT'S A BONAFIDE SCHOOL THAT'S EITHER A PUBLIC SCHOOL OR A 5 0 1, UM, NONPROFIT SCHOOL.
IT WOULDN'T BE, FOR EXAMPLE, A COOKING SCHOOL THAT WAS A FOR-PROFIT COOKING SCHOOL OR A MASSAGE SCHOOL OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER SCHOOLS THAT ARE FOR-PROFIT ENTITIES THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY UNDER THE LEGITIMATE IRS CLASSIFICATION OF SCHOOL.
AND, UH, I TO YOUR POINT, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL, UNIVERSITY THAT WOULD ALL BE COVERED UNDER THIS.
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THAT'S RIGHT.WELL, OTHER AND OTHER, I CAN SEE OTHER PUBLIC AMENITIES IF THIS PASSES OTHER PUBLIC AMENITIES COMING UNDER THIS TOO, WHICH WOULD COULD POLICE DEPARTMENTS, FIRE DEPARTMENTS, IT COULD BE OTHER, OTHER THINGS.
I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THIS, WHERE THIS, YOU KNOW, BEGINS AND ENDS.
AND HOW, HOW DID THIS COME TO PASS THIS? HOW DID THIS ORIGIN, WHAT WAS THE ORIGIN? YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BACKGROUND.
I DO KNOW THIS WAS, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, DAVID SUAREZ SPONSORED THIS.
AND I THINK THE, THE DESIRE IS TO, AS PART OF OUR ONGOING EFFORTS TO REALLY INCENTIVIZE MORE PERMANENT RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF SEASONAL RESIDENTIAL AND IN A LOT OF THESE NEW LUXURY BUILDINGS ARE NOT FULL-TIME RESIDENTS WITH FAMILIES.
SO I THINK THE IDEA WAS, WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE STABLE LONG-TERM RESIDENTIAL AND DIVERSIFY OUR HOUSING STOCK TO, TO OFFER, YOU KNOW, INCENTIVES FOR AMENITIES THAT, AGAIN, PEOPLE MOVING HERE MAY, MAY, MAY WANNA SEE MORE OF LIKE DAYCARE, A, A DAYCARE SCHOOL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, A, A PRESCHOOL IS CERTAINLY PART OF THIS.
A DAYCARE I THINK IS A SEPARATE DAYCARE WOULD BE A SEPARATE NON-SCHOOL USE, EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION CENTER.
EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION CENTER THAT WOULD, WOULD FALL UNDER IT.
AND THIS SAYS COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ, IT'S NOT HIS ITEM.
UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS DAVID SUAREZ.
IT SAYS, I BELIEVE DA IT SAYS DAVID SUAREZ WAS A CO-SPONSOR.
IT SAYS APRIL 3RD AT YOUR QUESTION FROM SHERIFF FERNANDEZ.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SORT IT OUT.
HAVE WE HAD INSTANCES OF SCHOOLS WANTING TO COME TO MIAMI BEACH? WE HAVE.
AND THEN DIDN'T BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS TOO ONEROUS THAT WE KNOW OF.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
AND, AND IS THE INCENTIVE JUST THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE, I MEAN, THEY'RE GETTING FAR THE GENERALLY THE INCENTIVES WOULD BE A STREAMLINED REVIEW PROCESS WITHOUT NECESSARILY THE, THE REQUIREMENT TO COME TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD DESIGN REVIEW BOARD OR PLANNING BOARD, A REDUCTION OR ACTUALLY AN ELIMINATION OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND SOME ENHANCED INCENTIVES WHERE THEY COULD REQUEST A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM THE CITY COMMISSION.
SO, I MEAN, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF, I MEAN, MY THOUGHT PROCESS WOULD BE, I LIKE THE IDEA OF INCENTIVIZING IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, AT LEAST THAT I KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE COMMISSION CAN OVERRULE ME
BUT, UM, THAT I STILL THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BOARD OVERSIGHT.
AND IT'S, IT'S LESS ABOUT BOARD OVERSIGHT TO ME AND MORE ABOUT PUBLIC OVERSIGHT.
THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD MEETINGS.
IT'S LESS ABOUT, I MEAN, IN OUR LAST ITEM WE HAD MR. ROBBINS MM-HMM
IN FRONT OF US TALKING ABOUT, OH, THE BOARD SHOULD RETAIN CONTROL THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER.
TO ME, IT'S LESS ABOUT THAT AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT THE BOARD IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
IT'S A PUBLIC FORUM WHERE ANYBODY CAN SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST SOMETHING MM-HMM
UM, AND IT GIVES THEM, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER, UM, LAYER OF PROTECT, YOU KNOW, PROTECTION, I GUESS.
UM, WELL, JUST UNDERSTANDING OF HOW, OF HOW THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE CHANGING AND HOW THE PROCESSES ARE BEING.
YEAH, I THINK IT, IT, IT SUPPORTS THE HEALTHY CITY.
IT SUPPORTS A HEALTHY COMMUNITY, UM, TO HAVE THIS KIND OF KNOWLEDGE.
I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, UM, ABOUT THAT, BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF OFFERING INCENTIVES.
SCHOOLS I THINK WOULD BE AMAZING.
I KIND OF, I'M OPERATING IN A VACUUM.
I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THIS ITEM.
I HAVEN'T BEEN FOLLOWING IT SINCE APRIL OF LAST YEAR.
UM, BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF OFFERING INCENTIVES, UM, TO INCENT YEAH.
INCENTIVES TO EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS TO COME INTO THE, TO THE, UM, TO THE CITY AND DEVELOP HERE.
AND IF THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, THINKS THAT IS WARRANTED, THEN THAT I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT.
UM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT INCENTIVE, JUST LIKE I THINK YOU SAID PLANNING BOARD, YOU KNOW, OR PLANNING BOARD SAID, THAT'S GREAT, WE CAN HAVE THE INCENTIVE, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, TAKE AWAY THE OVERSIGHT OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I THINK THE SAME THING HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE INCENTIVE CAN STILL EXIST, UM, BUT SUBJECT TO THE OVERSIGHT OF THE BOARD THAT, YOU KNOW, NECESSITATES A PUBLIC HEARING.
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BUT THE ONLY, THE ONLY INCENTIVE IS THE, UH, NO, THE ONLY INCENTIVE IS NOT HAVING TO BRING IT BEFORE THE BOARD THAT CAN GO ADMINISTRATIVELY THROUGH THE PROCESS WITHOUT BOARD.UNLESS THERE'S WELL, AND THAT'S WHAT THE ONLY INCENTIVE, AGAIN, PARKING REDUCTIONS.
IT'S, AND THE ABILITY TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL RELIEF FROM, FROM CERTAIN ZONING REGULATIONS AND ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ALSO, BUT THOSE DON'T COME THROUGH US, THOSE WHO GO THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVELY IF IT'S LESS THAN 25,000 SQUARE FEET.
WELL, THE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND ANY RELIEF ON THE SETBACKS WOULD GO THROUGH THE COMMISSION WARRANT PROCESS, OR THAT WOULD BE THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION.
I THINK WE STILL NEED TO SEE THE DESIGN.
FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THAT'S STILL, SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE GOING TO DO ANYTHING HERE, JUST LIKE THE PLANNING BOARD ADDED WHAT THEY WANTED, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO AT LEAST SEE A PLAN AND APPROVE IT, BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE TO FIT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND YOU COULD CERTAINLY MAKE THAT MOTION.
SO THAT WOULD BE, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION WITH THE, UM, DESIGN WITH THE CONDITION THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD REVIEW WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED.
YES, I WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION.
NO, I WAS JUST GONNA CONT JUST CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND ABOUT THIS.
JUST, JUST QUICKLY, JUST, MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO, UM, MAYBE REDUCE THE THRESHOLD OF, UH, VOTE VOTING THRESHOLD, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, ON A SCHOOL.
I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO, THE REASON WHY THEY REMOVED, UH, US AS PART OF THE PROCESS IS BECAUSE THIS IS AN ONEROUS PART OF THE, THE WHOLE THING.
GETTING A, A, A PACKAGE PREPARED AND THINGS AS OPPOSED TO JUST GETTING IT TO DEBBIE AND GOING BACK AND FORTH AND THE STAFF GOING BACK AND FORTH LIKE THAT.
SO MAYBE IF WE SAY THAT THE, THAT THE, UM, THAT WOULD REQUIRE ONLY A, LIKE A FOUR, UH, FOUR SEVENTH VOTE RATHER THAN A A FIVE, THAT FOUR SEVENTHS WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM VOTE.
OR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SOMETIMES YOU, THEY RAISE, YOU CAN RAISE THE THRESHOLD FOR WHAT THE VOTES REQUIRED IF YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING STRICTER.
AND IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING LESS STRICT, I THINK IF FOUR OF THE SEVEN BOARD MEMBERS FEEL THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE, THAT IT CAN PASS, IT'S AN EASIER, IT'S AN EASIER LOWER BAR FOR A SCHOOL.
BUT I MEAN, IS THAT A, IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? BY LARGE, I MEAN, UNLESS THEY'RE REQUESTING A VARIANCE, IT WOULD BE FOUR OF SEVEN OR DEMO OR DEMOLITION.
SO IT'S JUST, BUT DEMOLITION WOULD BE COMING A FORCE ANYWAYS.
I'M JUST SAYING, I, I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE A CONDITION IN WHICH IT WOULD HAVE TO BE FIVE SEVENS.
BUT, UM, WELL, UM, IS THAT EVEN, IS THAT EVEN A WAY OF THINKING ABOUT THIS? LIKE, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF HOW IT CAN COME TO THE BOARD, BUT IT'S, BUT THE BOARD REVIEW IS A LOWER, IS A LOWER BAR FOR SCHOOLS.
I'M TRYING TO BE IN THE SPIRIT OF THIS, OF WHAT THEIR APPROACH THERE WITHOUT SAYING WE DON'T SEE IT AT ALL.
IN A HISTORIC, IN A HISTORIC CONTEXT, I THINK YOU PROBABLY WANNA BE CAREFUL WITH DEMOLITION, I WOULD SAY.
BECAUSE IF AN APPLICATION CAME BEFORE YOU, YOU'D STILL NEED FIVE.
AND IF IT WERE FOR A SCHOOL, UM, I THINK YOU WOULD WANNA REVIEW THE DEMOLITION THE SAME WAY YOU WOULD ABSOLUTELY.
UM, BUT IF THEY WANTED VARIANCES OR THINGS LIKE THIS.
WELL, THE VARIANCE THRESHOLD IS IN OUR, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FIVE, BUT IT'S IN OUR SPECIAL ACTS.
IT'S NOT A, IT IS NOT A LEVERAGE, IT'S NOT A TOOL THAT WE CAN USE THEN.
AND I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS STILL JUST A RECOMMENDATION TO THEM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE KEEP IT EITHER, AND I THINK EITHER WE KEEP IT AS IS FOR THE REASON STATED AND PERHAPS THEY REWORK IT OR COME BACK TO US.
I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT LITTLE, I JUST HAD TO ASK ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M, I'M FINE WITH THIS.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.
UM, MR. CHAIR, THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THE AGENDA.
I DON'T KNOW, NICK, IF YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES YOU WANNA SHARE? NOT TODAY, NO.