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THE MEETING IS ABOUT TO BEGIN.
REMEMBER TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE AS THIS MEETING IS BEING RECORDED FOR PUBLIC RECORD, PLEASE STAND BY.
WE ARE GOING ON AIR IN 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THE MAY MEETING OF THE DRB.
WE HAVE, UH, A BIT MORE OF A FULL SCHEDULE TODAY.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE A MEMBER, UH, LAURA LEWIN IS NOT HERE TODAY.
UM, AND WE ARE GONNA BE LOSING ONE MEMBER AT NOON, BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY STILL HAVE A QUORUM.
UM, MICHAEL, UH, THANK YOU SARAH.
BEFORE I BEGIN, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ROIA, WHO WILL LET THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC KNOW HOW THEY MAY PARTICIPATE TODAY, AS WELL AS GO OVER THE A NOTICE FOR A LOBBYIST RE REGISTRATION.
TODAY'S MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD HAS BEEN SCHEDULED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH A QUORUM OF THE BOARD PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AT THE MIAMI BEACH CITY HALL AND APPLICANT STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA, VIA THE ZOOM PLATFORM WEBINAR.
IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN TODAY'S MEETING, THOSE WISHING TO PARTICIPATE VIA THE ZOOM PLATFORM WEBINAR MAY DIAL 8 8 8 4 7 5 4 4 9 9, WHICH IS TOLL FREE.
AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 2 2 7 3 9 4 1 9 2 4, OR LOG INTO THE ZOOM APP AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH AGAIN IS 8 2 2 7 3 9 4 1 9 2 4.
ANY INDIVIDUAL WISHING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM MUST CLICK THE RAISE HAND ICON IF THEY'RE USING THE ZOOM APP, OR DIAL STAR NINE IF THEY'RE PARTICIPATING BY PHONE.
NOW, BEFORE I SWEAR IN THOSE, THOSE WHO WILL BE TESTIFYING TODAY, I'M GOING TO READ INTO THE RECORD THAT THE CITY'S NOTICE REGARDING LOBBYIST REGISTRATION.
IF YOU'RE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A BUSINESS, A CORPORATION, OR ANOTHER PERSON, YOU NEED TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
IF YOU HAVEN'T REGISTERED YET, YOU NEED, YOU SHOULD REGISTER BEFORE YOU SPEAK TO THE BOARD.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST IN THREE LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES.
NUMBER ONE, IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ONLY ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF AND NOT ANY OTHER PARTY.
NUMBER TWO, IF YOU'RE TESTIFYING AS AN EXPERT WITNESS, PROVIDING ONLY SCIENTIFIC, TECHNICAL, OR OTHER SPECIALIZED INFORMATION OR TESTIMONY IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING.
NUMBER NUMBER THREE, IF YOU'RE APPEARING AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION OR REIMBURSEMENT FOR YOUR APPEARANCE TO EXPRESS SUPPORT OF OR OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM.
NOW, EXPERT WITNESSES AND REPRESENTATIVES OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SHALL PRIOR TO APPEARING DISCLOSE IN WRITING TO THE CITY CLERK, THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THE PRINCIPAL ON WHOSE BEHALF THEY'RE COMMUNICATING.
IF YOU'RE AN ARCHITECT, ATTORNEY, OR, OR EMPLOYEE, OR REPRESENTING AN APPLICANT OR AN OBJECTOR, YOU MUST REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST.
THESE RULES WILL APPLY WHETHER YOU'RE APPEARING IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST AN ITEM, OR ENCOURAGING OR ARGUING AGAINST ITS PASSAGE, DEFEAT, MODIFICATION, OR CONTINUANCE.
NOW, I WILL, UM, SWEAR ANY EVERYONE IN, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR, UH, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
NOW, IF ANY, UM, IF THERE ARE ANY VISUAL SPEAKERS, YOU WILL NEED TO BE SWORN IN AT THE TIME OF YOUR TESTIMONY, TESTIMONY ONE BY ONE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU WILL BE GIVING IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
BEFORE WE BEGIN, I WANT THE BOARD MEMBERS TO KNOW I DID PASS OUT AN UPDATED AGENDA.
THIS IS REFLECTIVE OF OUR ONLINE AGENDA.
UM, JUST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE THAT THE FIRST APPLICATION TO BE HEARD TODAY WILL BE, UM, 59 80 NORTH BAY ROAD.
AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA AS PRINTED IN THE, UM, BOARD MEMBERS PACKAGES, WHICH IS, UM, THE NEXT ONE WILL BE 1681 LENNOX AVENUE.
UM, BEFORE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE APRIL 10TH MEETING.
[1. After Action April 10, 2025]
TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF APRIL 10TH, 2025.UM, JUST FOR PROCEDURAL PURPOSES, DO WE ALSO, UH, NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? NO, WE DON'T.
I MEANT TO WITH THE MINUTES FROM LAST WEEK OR LAST MONTH.
SORRY, WHICH ITEM? IN THE NEW APPLICATIONS? IT SAID IT HAS THAT SCOTT'S NAME WAS ON IT, BUT HE WASN'T HERE.
SO MOVE TO ACCEPT, UH, CHANGES TO THE APPROVED AGENDA.
[2. DRB25-1082 f.k.a. DRB22-0794, 5980 N BAY ROAD ]
CONTINUE WITH THE FIRST APPLICATION ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS DRB 25 DASH[00:05:01]
0 180 2 FOR 59 80 NORTH BAY ROAD.AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING MODIFICATION THROUGH PREVIOUSLY ISSUED DESIGN APPROVAL THROUGH AN EXISTING RESIDENCE, UM, WHICH IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW POOL AND COMMAND THE REAR YARD.
THIS APPLICATION INCLUDES A NEW TWO STORY ADDITION, INCLUDING ONE OR MORE WAIVERS IS NOTED ON OUR STAFF REPORT.
THIS APPLICATION, THIS UM, LOT IS PRETTY LARGE.
IT'S NEARLY ONE ACRE IN SIZE, AND THE HOME IS WELL UNDER THE MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE AND LOT COVERAGE THAT COULD BE BUILT ON THE SITE.
THE HOME IS UNUSUAL IN ITS PLACEMENT.
IT'S WELL SET BACK FROM NORTH BAY ROAD WITH MOST OF THE HOME IN THE REAR HALF OF THE LOT.
THE WAIVER THAT'S BEING REQUESTED IS DUE TO THE LENGTH OF THE TWO STORY SITE ELEVATION.
THE CODE REQUIRES THAT IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN 60 FEET, YOU MUST HAVE A, A BREAK AND A COURTYARD IN THAT SIDE ELEVATION.
BECAUSE OF THIS LARGE SIZE LOT THAT WOULD RESULT IN A, UM, UM, A COURTYARD OF 4 27 SQUARE FEET, THE APPLICANT'S PROVIDING 136 SQUARE FEET.
HOWEVER, THE HOME IS LOCATED ON ONLY 40% OF THE, UM, OF THE, THE LOT DEPTH.
SO WE DO THAT FEEL THAT IS A STRONG MITIGATING FACTOR AND WARRANTS THE, UM, REQUESTED, UH, WAIVER THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION, INCLUDING THE WAIVER IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DRAFT FINAL ORDER.
THIS PART OF THE BOARD PACKAGES WITHOUT TURN IT OVER TO MR. MCDOWELL FOR HIS PRESENTATION.
GOOD MORNING, CARTER MCDOWELL WITH BILLS AND SUNBURG 1450 BRICKELL AVENUE HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER.
UM, HERE WITH MY ASSOCIATE NICK NOTTO AND OUR ARCHITECT CHRIS FERNANDEZ.
UM, WE BELIEVE AND HOPE THAT THIS IS AN EASY AND AND QUICK, UH, APPLICATION FOR YOU, GIVEN YOUR, YOUR SCHEDULE.
UM, IMPORTANTLY, WE ARE KEEPING THE EXISTING HOUSE.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE.
WE'RE NOT SEEKING TO TEAR IT DOWN AS MANY OF THE NORTH BAY PROPERTIES HAVE DONE.
INDEED, OUR, INDEED OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH GIVES A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT A UNDERSTORY HOUSE CAN DO ON THESE LOTS.
AS THE STAFF HAS POINTED OUT, WE HAVE A, A LOT THAT IS ALMOST AN ACRE IN SIZE.
THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT IS 18,000 SQUARE FEET.
AS A RESULT, THE 1% REQUIREMENT, BECAUSE OF OUR LOT SIZE IS THREE TIMES WHAT IT WOULD BE FOR OUR NEIGHBOR, UH, TO THE SOUTH.
AND FOR OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE SIMPLY SITUATED, THE HOUSE IS 5,000 SQUARE FEET LESS THAN IT COULD BE, UM, ON, ON THE, ON THE LOT.
UM, AND WE DO AS YOU, AS YOU WILL SEE IN A MOMENT, PROVIDE SUBSTANTIAL THREE DIMENSIONALITY TO THE, THE NORTH FACADE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALONG THE NORTH EDGE.
THE FRONT SETBACK IS 106 FEET FROM NORTH BAY ROAD.
IT'S NOT INVISIBLE TO OUR NEIGHBOR, BUT IT IS INVISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC, UM, IN EVERY WAY.
YOU JUST, YOU WILL NEVER SEE IT.
UM, WITH THAT, LET ME SEE, UM, I'M GONNA MOVE THROUGH, THROUGH THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY FACING NORTH BAY ROAD.
YOU'LL NOTICE THE ABSENCE OF A HOUSE IN THAT PICTURE.
THIS GIVES AN OVERVIEW, UH, IN THE TOP TWO VIEW.
YOU SEE THE EXISTING HOUSE, ALTHOUGH WE WILL BE CHANGING THE ROOF AND YOU SEE A NEW HOUSE BUILT UNDER THE EXISTING REGULATIONS WITH AN UNDERSTORY AND THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE THAT CAN BE BUILT ON A LOT, THAT LOT IS SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER THAN OUR, UM, BELOW YOU AGAIN, YOU GET A, A MORE OF A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THE SAME ISSUE.
THE HOUSE TO OUR SOUTH DEMONSTRATES WHAT THE CODE WOULD ALLOW YOU, NOT WHAT WE'RE SEEKING TO DO.
UH, THE OWNER LIKES THE HOUSE PERHAPS.
AS IMPORTANTLY, UM, THE VIEW ON THE BOTTOM LEFT SHOWS A TWO STORY BLANK WALL THAT OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH WHERE WE ARE BUILDING THIS ADDITION FACES US.
SO WE HAVE A TWO STORY BLANK CONCRETE WALL ON AN, ON AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FROM OUR NEIGHBOR FACING US, AND THAT WE'LL FACE THE ADDITION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WHOOPS, WRONG, WRONG DIRECTION.
UM, ANOTHER VIEW, UH, SHOWING THE HOUSE TO THE SOUTH.
WE ARE SEEKING, WE ARE DOING A GROUND FLOOR EDITION.
UM, AND ON TOP OF IT, THE, AND WITH JUST THAT EDITION, WE WOULDN'T BE BEFORE YOU.
UM, WE ARE SEEKING TO LINK THE, AND UTILIZE THE NEW GARAGE THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND PERMITTED, UM, TO LINK TO THE, THE HOUSE, THE NE THE NEIGHBOR, THE OWNERS ARE SEEKING TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE TO RESPOND TO A GROWING FAMILY WITH GRANDCHILDREN AND, AND OTHERS.
UM, SO WE ARE, WE ARE SEEKING, UH, ADD APPROVAL TO ADD THAT SECOND, WELL, WE'RE ALLOWED TO ADD THE, THE ADDITION.
WE'RE SEEKING RELIEF FROM THE REQUIREMENT OF A WHAT WOULD BE A FOUR OR 500 SQUARE FOOT BREAK IN THAT FACADE, AS YOU CAN SEE HASHED.
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THAT WE ARE PROVIDING.MOST IMPORTANTLY, IF YOU LOOK IN THIS DRAWING, THE AREA THAT IS WHITE IS A ONE STORY EXISTING EDITION, AND THERE IS A GLASS RAILING ON THAT SO THAT YOU GET A THREE DIMENSIONALITY ON THE SIDE TOWARD WHAT IS IN FACT, OUR NEIGHBOR'S BLANK WALL.
I KEEP HITTING THE WRONG BUTTON, I APOLOGIZE.
THIS IS THE INTERIOR FACING THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE WHERE OUR GARAGE AND YOU SEE THAT THERE IS A GROUND FLOOR OPENING THROUGH THE ADDITION THAT WE'RE, UH, UH, SEEKING TO BUILD.
UM, HERE YOU SEE AN AERIAL VIEW WITH THE ADDITION.
YOU SEE THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE NEIGHBOR, TO THE, TO THE NORTH.
UM, THAT LITTLE WHITE STRUCTURE IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE BLANK WALL THAT FACES US, THAT FACES THE ADDITION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THERE IS SOME WILL BE SUBSTANTIAL LANDSCAPING ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, ANOTHER VIEW SHOWING IN A, IN A MORE, UH, STYLIZED VERSION, THE HOUSE TO OUR NORTH AND OUR PROPERTY.
AND AGAIN, THE LANDSCAPE THAT'S THERE.
UM, THAT SEEMS TO BE, UM, OUR DRAWINGS.
I THOUGHT WE HAD ADDIT AN ADDITIONAL VIEW.
UM, WELL IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THERE.
UM, AT ANY RATE, THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL, UH, THREE DIMENSIONALITY TO THE ADDITION FACING OUR NEIGHBOR.
WE DON'T MEET THE, THE 400 SQUARE FEET, BUT WE, IF YOU CONSIDER THE 106 FOOT FRONT SETBACK IN TERMS OF OUR RELATIONSHIP TO OUR NEIGHBOR AND LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS UNDER THE, CAN HAPPEN UNDER THE CODE, WHICH IS TO OUR SOUTH, UM, WE CERTAINLY ARE, HAVE A MINIMAL IMPACT ON THEIR NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH.
AND WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL, OUR ARCHITECTURE'S HERE TO ANSWER FURTHER QUESTIONS, UH, ABOUT IT.
UH, WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
UM, DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION? YES, IT DOES.
WE'D LIKE TO RESERVE TIME IF THERE'S ANY SPEAKERS.
IS THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK? IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE? THERE'S NOBODY LINE WITH THEIR HAND RAISED.
I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC PORTION, OPENING IT UP TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS? JUST ONE QUESTION.
THE OPENING, UM, OR THE BREAK, MICHAEL, THAT YOU ALL ARE LOOKING AT FOR THE VARIANCE IS ON THE ADDITION FACING THE INTERIOR OF THE LOT, CORRECT.
WHERE THE GARAGE DOORS ARE AND THE ENTRANCE TO THE MAIN HOUSE.
IT'S CONNECTING ON THE NORTH SIDE, IT'S CONNECTING.
UH, FOR ME AS ONE BOARD MEMBER, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH, UM, APPROVING THIS WAIVER OR VARIANCE.
THIS WOULD BE, THIS IS A DESIGN WAIVER, NOT A VARIANCE.
I THINK WE ALL, I, UM, I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT THE POINT THAT YOU MADE ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE IS BEING RENOVATED AND ADDED TO AS OPPOSED TO TORN DOWN AND STARTED FROM SCRATCH.
UM, I ALWAYS LIKE TO SEE A LESSER FOOTPRINT, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO I TOO, I MEAN, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, WELL DESIGNED.
IT SEEMS LIKE A GREAT ADDITION.
SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HOW DO YOU WANNA, UH, WORK THIS? JUST TO UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A PASS THROUGH ON THE GROUND LEVEL, BUT CONNECTED ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
DOES ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVED? OKAY.
IN THE NEXT APPLICATION, ALEJANDRO'S GONNA READ INTO THE RECORD.
[3. DRB24-1078, 1681 LENOX AVENUE ]
APPLICATION IS THE RRB 24 10 78 16 81 OX AVENUE.THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING MODIFICATIONS TO AN EXISTING TWO STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT RECEIVED DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL.
SPECIFICALLY THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL FOR THE PROPOSED ALUMINUM SCREEN LOCATED ON THE WEST AND SOUTH FACADES, INCLUDING ONE OR MORE WAIVERS AS THE BACKGROUND.
THIS, UH, ON DECEMBER 1ST, 2009, THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD APPROVED THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO-STORY RETAIL AND RESTAURANT BUILDING DRB FILE NUMBER 22 5 6 1.
THE SUBJECT BUILDING WAS PERMITTED AND CONSTRUCTED AND UNTIL RECENTLY IT WAS OCCUPIED BY A RESTAURANT KNOWN AS THE YARD HOUSE.
UH, THIS IS LOCATED IN SONY DISTRICT CD THREE AND THE BUILDING CONTAINS A, A COVERED TERRACE AT THE FRONT FACING LENOS AVENUE.
AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSED TO ENCLOSE THE TERRACE WITH A NEW LASER COAT, WHITE POWDER COATED ALUMINUM
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SCREEN.THESE SCREENS WILL EXTEND ALONG THE BUILDING'S FRONT AND SIDE FACADES.
THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE IS PROPOSED TO BE RELOCATED FROM THE NORTHWEST CORNER TO THE SOUTH SIDE, WHERE A DOUBLE DOOR VESTIBULE WILL BE ADDED.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE EXISTING CONCRETE WATER FEATURE, WHICH WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.
THE DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED ALUMINUM SCREEN CREATES A VISUAL INTEREST AND HAS THE POTENTIAL TO ENHANCE THE BUILDING'S APPEARANCE.
HOWEVER, AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, THE SCREENS MAY OBSCURE THE ORIGINAL DESIGN INTENT AS THE ADDITIONAL SCREENS REDUCES THE TRANSPARENCY AT THE GROUND LEVEL AND CONFLICTS WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW CRITERIA.
P WHICH STATES THAT ALL PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT FRONT IN THE STREET OR SIDEWALK SHALL INCORPORATE AN ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TRANSPARENCY AT THE FIRST LEVEL IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE PEDESTRIAN COMPATIBILITY AND ADEQUATE VISUAL INTEREST.
UH, STAFF ALSO HAS A CONCERN WITH THE PROPOSAL TO REMOVE THE EXISTING WATER FEATURE AND INSTEAD RECOMMENDS THAT THE LOWER SECTION OF THE SCREEN BE REPOSITION IT EITHER BEHIND OR ABOVE THE WATER FEATURE.
THIS WILL ALLOW FOR A KEY FEATURE OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN TO BE MAINTAINED WHILE IT'S STILL ALLOWING FOR AN OUTDOOR SEATING.
STAFF IS ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT THE WATER FEATURE BE OPERATABLE, INCLUDING THE CORPORATION OF NIGHT LIGHTING TO ENHANCE THE EVENING APPEARANCE, TO MAINTAIN THE BUILDING TRANSPARENCY AND REVEAL MORE OF THE REGIONAL DESIGN STAFF ALSO SUGGESTS REDUCING THE SUSPENDED SCREEN STAFF RECOMMENDS PROVIDING FURTHER DETAILS ON THE PROPOSED LIGHT FIXTURES TO ENSURE THEY ALIGN WITH THE OVERALL DESIGN.
PRIOR TO THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER OF THE SHORT FRONTAGE STANDARDS FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL GROUND, GROUND FLOOR, GROUND FLOORS.
UH, AS THE PROPOSED ALUMINUM SCREEN WILL REDUCE THE AREA THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION, THEREBY INCREASING THE NON-CONFORMITY WITH THOSE STANDARDS, UH, STAFF IS NOT OPPOSED TO THE GRANTING OF THE WAIVER.
UH, THE PLANNING BOARD WILL SCHEDULE TO REVIEW A SEPARATE APPLICATION ON ITS JUNE 10TH, 2025 FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENT THAT REQUIRED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THE PLANNING BOARD WILL REVIEW THE APPLICATION FOR OCCUPANCY SOUND IMPACTS AND GENERAL OPERATIONS IN VIEW OF THE FOREGOING ANALYSIS.
I RECOMMEND APPLICATION TO BE APPROVED SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS DENOMINATED IN THE ATTACHED DRAFT ORDER.
AND WITH THIS, I LET THE APPLICANT TO THANK YOU ALEJANDRO.
UH, GOOD MORNING BOARD, MONICA ENTON, MHE LAW OFFICES AT 79 50 NORTHWEST 53RD STREET.
I'M JOINED TODAY BY OUR ARCHITECT OF RECORD, ALYSSA CRIPPLING AND OUR DESIGNERS, UH, ALESSANDRO MJA AND STEPHANIE KHAN FROM MJA STUDIOS.
UH, WE'RE HERE AS ALEJANDRO INDICATED, REQUESTING DESIGN REVIEW, APPROVAL AND A WAIVER FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1681 LENNOX AVENUE, WHICH MOST OF YOU'LL RECOGNIZE AS THE YARD HOUSE PROPERTY REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, ULTRA SUPPER CLUB, THE PRINCIPLES OF WHICH ARE, UM, DANNY ANO AND CHARLES CABO.
BOTH CHARLES AND DANNY HAVE OVER 50 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE EACH IN THE HOSPITALITY, UM, AND SERVICE INDUSTRY.
I THINK THEY KIND OF KNOW A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEY WANNA BRING THEIR EXPERTISE HERE.
NOW THEY HAVE, UM, OVER 12 RESTAURANTS THROUGHOUT CANADA AND NUMEROUS RESTAURANTS HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA THAT MIGHT BE RECOGNIZABLE, INCLUDING AM MALL IN LEVEL SIX IN COCONUT GROVE, SOPHIA AND THE DESIGN DISTRICT, AND MOST NOTABLY HERE IN MIAMI BEACH, BLOS.
SO THEY WANNA BRING THAT UPPER SCALE, UH, DESIGN AND, UH, ENTERTAINMENT AND, UH, FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT HERE TO MIAMI BEACH.
IN SO DOING, THEY ARE BRINGING FOOD ATMOSPHERE, UM, AND EVERYTHING TOGETHER THROUGH DESIGN.
DESIGN WILL COME FROM THE OUTSIDE AND INCORPORATE ITSELF INTO EVERY ASPECT OF THIS, OF THIS PROJECT.
HERE IS A LIST OF THE RESTAURANTS THAT THEY HAVE THROUGHOUT CANADA.
SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW THEM, AND AS I INDICATED, WE HAVE OUR LOCAL RESTAURANTS THAT I THINK ARE VERY NOTABLE HERE.
PROPERTIES THAT I SAY I INDICATED 1681.
SO I WANNA DISCUSS THE STAFF REPORT AND WHAT STAFF JUST INDICATED ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND OUR PROPOSED SCREEN.
ALESSANDRA WILL GET MORE INTO THAT, BUT I KIND OF JUST WANNA GIVE AN OVERVIEW.
THIS IS WHAT THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE.
WE DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS ANY VISIBILITY OR TRANSPARENCY DURING DAYTIME HOURS UNLESS YOU'RE ON THE PROPERTY.
YOU DO NOT SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING INSIDE DURING DAYTIME HOURS AT NIGHT WITH LIGHTS ON, OF COURSE LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, LIGHT UP WHAT'S INSIDE AND IT GOES THROUGH THE GLASS.
BUT DURING THE DAYTIME, ESPECIALLY IN WHAT IS THE COURTYARD SPACE AS IT'S SET BACK, YOU DON'T SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
THE WATER FEATURE THAT IS LOCATED IN THE FRONT, WE DON'T BELIEVE ADDS MUCH TO THE ARCHITECTURE OR THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.
IT ALSO HA UH, DEMONSTRATES DIFFICULTIES TO MAINTAIN AS ANY GOOD WATER FEATURE ALWAYS DOES.
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AND THE PROPOSAL, I THINK IMPROVES NOT ONLY THE FRONT, BUT EVEN THE VIEWS FROM HERE.AND WHY DO I SAY THAT? I SAY THAT BECAUSE THE SCREEN IS GOING TO WRAP AROUND THE WEST FACADE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY THE FRONT FACADE AND IT'LL WRAP AROUND THE SOUTH FACADE, WHICH CURRENTLY FACES THE PARKING LOT OWNED BY THE CITY.
WE ARE RELOCATING OR PROPOSING TO RELOCATE THE MAIN ENTRANCE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER NEAREST THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
WE'LL BE RELOCATING THAT TO THE SOUTH FACADE.
SO WE, WE CAN'T ELIMINATE THE, THE DOORWAY BECAUSE FOR FIRE PURPOSES WE NEED THAT SECOND ENTRANCE, BUT IT WILL BE AN EXIT ONLY AND ONLY IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, THE PRINCIPAL ENTRANCE WILL BE LOCATED ALONG THE SOUTH FACADE AND THE SCREEN WILL WRAP AROUND.
SO THE SCREEN WILL BE VISIBLE FROM LINCOLN ROAD AND FROM 17TH STREET.
SO WHERE NOW YOU SEE THIS BLANK WALL THAT THERE'S NO INTEREST FOR THE BUILDING COMING FROM THE NORTH.
NOW THERE'LL BE INTEREST CREATED AND THE SCREEN AS WE, AND I'M SORRY 'CAUSE I AM GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH IT.
AS YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN, WE HAVE CREATED VISIBILITY.
WE HAVE CREATED TRANSPARENCY AND INTEREST INTO WHAT IS HAPPENING BEYOND IT WITH RESPECT TO THE WAIVER.
I'LL LET ALYSSA DISCUSS IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER LATER.
BUT THE WAIVER IS WHAT WE CALL CIRCULATION WAIVER AS TO THE DISTANCE IN FRONT OF THE SPACE AND THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THE SIDEWALK FROM THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS CURRENTLY IN A WATER FEATURE.
THE, THIS IS, WE, THERE'S A DIS THERE'S A DISPUTE ON WHETHER WE EVEN NEED THIS WAIVER.
WE'RE DOING THIS IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION BECAUSE THE SCREEN WOULD GO IN EXACTLY THE SAME PLACE THAT THE WATER FEATURE IS IN CIRCULATION WOULD NOT CHANGE ON THE DISTANCE OF THE SIDEWALK.
AND THE DISCREPANCY ALSO, UH, ALLUDES TO WHETHER WE'RE MEASURING FROM THE TREE TRUNK OR THE ADA PAVE.
BUT AGAIN, ALYSSA WILL KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT IN A MORE DETAIL, UH, SHORTLY.
WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO OUR DESIGNER WHO CAN WALK YOU THROUGH THE REALLY INTERESTING DETAILS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY REALLY EXCITED ABOUT CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE TO MIAMI.
IT'S ALWAYS, UH, AMAZING TO DO WORK OUT HERE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK THAT WE ARE DOING OUT HERE, INCLUDING HISTORICAL WORK.
WE'VE WORKING ON THE SAGAMORE, FOR EXAMPLE, ON WITH THE RIS CARLTON.
UM, SO WE'RE ALWAYS VERY, VERY RESPECTFUL OF HISTORY.
I'M NOT A A PERSON THAT BELIEVES IN DESTROYING HISTORY.
IT'S EASIER TO DESTROY THAN IT IS TO REMAKE, RIGHT? SO, UM, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT, UM, KNOWLEDGE WHEN IT COMES TO THE HOSPITALITY AND RESIDENTIAL MARKET AS I WAS WITH MONICA WAS EXPLAINING.
UM, IT'S A PRETTY EXCITING PROJECT HERE.
OBVIOUSLY RIGHT NOW AS IT EXISTS, IT'S A PRETTY BLACK FACADE, SO WE JUST KIND OF WANT TO BEAUTIFY THE OUTSIDE, KEEP IT A BIT MORE SCULPTURAL, A LITTLE BIT MORE INTERESTING DURING THE DAY AND AT NIGHT.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A BIG BLACK HOLE.
UM, WE'RE NOT INTENDING TO TOUCH THE FACADE, NOT ONLY FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE, BUT WE ACTUALLY WE'RE GONNA ENJOY THAT FACADE BEING LIKE SOMETHING A BIT MORE REFLECTIVE WHEN WE HAVE OUR GUESTS THAT ARE GONNA BE UTILIZING THE FRONT LIKE A PATIO ESSENTIALLY.
SO JUST TO KINDA GIVE THEM A BIT OF PROTECTION AND A LITTLE BIT MORE INTEREST AS AN ELEVATION.
KEEP IT A LITTLE BIT MORE EXCITING WHEN THEY'RE IN THERE.
UH, WE CHOSE TO KIND OF DO THIS SCULPTURAL FACADE ON THE OUTSIDE.
OBVIOUSLY AT NIGHT IT WOULD BE BEAUTIFIED WITH THE LIGHTING ON THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM.
UM, LOTS OF TRANSPARENCY AS WAS DESCRIBED BECAUSE IT'S ALL APERTURES ALL BE DONE OUT OF LASER CUP METAL, SO LARGE PANELS.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH IT.
IT'S LIKE BIG APERTURES LIKE THIS.
UM, I DON'T MIND TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FOUNTAIN.
OBVIOUSLY I'VE STUDIED THE SITE.
I'VE BEEN THERE MANY, MANY TIMES.
AND THE FOUNTAIN WASN'T A FUNCTION OF LIKE NOT WANTING WATER.
I LOVE WATER, SO IT WAS GREAT, BUT JUST NEVER ON.
AND IT ALWAYS BECOMES LIKE THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE A GARBAGE BIN RIGHT NOW.
SO THE IDEA WAS TO KIND OF GET A LITTLE BIT MORE, NOT AN INTERRUPTION TO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE SCREEN AND THE SCULPTURE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, BY REMOVING IT.
SO CAN IT STAY AND NOT, WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, NEVER GONNA BE USED.
IT'S GONNA TURN INTO A PLANTING BED AND MAYBE WE'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE LOITERING ON THERE, SO MAYBE IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA TO KEEP IT THERE.
SO JUST ALLOW THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE FACADE TO MAYBE TAKE MORE PRECEDENCE.
UM, THIS WAS ALREADY DESCRIBED, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE BLOCK ON THE LEFT HAND.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE TRANSPARENCY THROUGH IT.
WE CHOSE TO, UM, DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
ALWAYS TRY TO LIKE, PUSH THE ENVELOPE WHEN IT COMES TO DESIGN RATHER THAN GO THROUGH THE FRONT, WHICH IS ALWAYS BEING UTILIZED.
WE ACTUALLY CHOSE TO USE THE SIDE AND THROUGH THE SOUTH TOWARDS THE PARKING LOT.
I THINK IT'S KIND OF AN EACH, AN INTERESTING WAY TO JOURNEY THROUGHOUT THE RESTAURANT RATHER THAN THE OBVIOUS.
JUST MAKES THIS SENSE OF ARRIVAL A LITTLE BIT MORE EXCITING.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN THE HOSPITALITY MARKET.
YOU JUST GOTTA GET PEOPLE EXCITED.
WE ALL KNOW WHEN WE GO TO RESTAURANTS, WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT TWO, THREE HOURS TO ENJOY OURSELVES.
SO JUST TO KEEP IT A LITTLE BIT MORE EXCITING IN THERE.
SO WE CHOSE TO GO ON THE SIDE, ACTUALLY BEAUTIFIES IT.
WE'RE GONNA CLEAN IT UP TO THE, TO THE PARKING LOT.
WE'RE GONNA TILE IT AND THEN AS THE, AS THE, UH, THE GATE IS ALMOST LIKE THESE BEAUTIFUL GATES THAT OPEN UP AND WE'LL HAVE
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A QUEUE.SO WE'RE NEVER GONNA HAVE PEOPLE LINING UP ON LENNOX.
IT'LL ALWAYS BE ON THE SIDE, WHICH IS NICE TOO.
AND THEN WE'LL KEEP PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE RESTAURANT AND THEN OUT ONTO THE PATIO.
JUST, JUST THAT ONE LITTLE POCKET THAT OPENS UP IS WHAT'S GONNA BE UTILIZED.
WE'RE NOT INSTRUCTING ON THE, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S THE FACADE THERE.
SO WE'RE NOT REALLY TOUCHING THE EXTERIOR, LIKE IN TERMS OF THE CONCRETE BUILDING.
AT NIGHT, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY PRETTY.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE SORT OF THE WAVES COMING THROUGH.
SO IT'S WAY MORE, IT'S A NICE JUXTAPOSITION TO THE ARCHITECTURE.
AND THERE'S THE ENTRANCE THERE, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THOSE GATES WILL BE OPEN DURING THE NIGHT AND THEN CLOSE THAT AND DURING THE DAY.
AND THEN PEOPLE WILL MAKE THEIR WAY DOWN THE CORRIDOR.
AND THEN MAINTAIN THE LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S ALSO ON THE, UH, RIGHT HAND SIDE, SO VERY PRO LANDSCAPING AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, IN, IN THE INTERIOR, THE COURTYARD.
WE'RE DOING WORK WITH ADDITION.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE DOING THE NEW ONE IN EDGE WATER.
WE'RE GONNA PUT A LOT OF IT INSIDE THE COURTYARD, SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO BEAUTIFY IT, UH, WITH KEEPING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE NATURAL TOO.
UM, WHAT ELSE CAN I TELL YOU ABOUT THIS? HERE'S THE MATERIALS.
SO WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN THE BLACK ALUMINUM THAT'S THERE.
NOW THE SECOND IMAGE IS THE, UM, UH, THE, ESSENTIALLY THE, UH, THE PANELS THAT ARE GONNA BE GOING UP ON THE SIDE OF THE ELEVATION ON THE SOUTH TOWARDS THE, UM, THE PARKING LOT.
THAT'S A LITTLE, UH, RENDERING OF THE, UM, THE SCREEN AND WHAT WE'RE IMAGINING.
SO AGAIN, THOSE APERTURES ARE PRETTY, IT'S LIKE A VEIL.
THE EXISTING CONCRETE ROOF, WHICH WE'RE NOT TOUCHING.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA PUT LIKE A BASALT, UM, PAVER ON THE, ON THE GROUND, KEEPING IT REALLY BLACK ON BLACK TOP IMAGE SHOWS KIND OF AN AERIAL VIEW.
LOOKING DOWN INTO THE COURTYARD, INTO THAT PACK, PACK INTO THAT, UM, PATIO SPACE.
SOME PRETTY LIGHTING, SOME FURNITURE.
AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO KEEP THE PLANTS PRETTY DARK AS WELL.
SO I'M, I'M NOT A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, BUT, UM, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF, THE TYPES OF PLANTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE UTILIZING.
SOMETHING LOCAL, OBVIOUSLY LITTLE MAINTENANCE, NOT TOO MUCH.
AND CHARLES, OUR CLIENT IS, IS, HE'S GOT A GREEN THUMB HIMSELF.
HE TENDS TO REPLACE THEM ALL THE TIME, SO HE NEVER SEES SOME DEBT.
UM, IT'S AN EXPENSE, BUT HE DOES MAINTAIN HIS PROPERTY AS WELL, WHICH MAKES ME HAPPY FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE.
UM, AND THEN I GUESS WE'RE GONNA PASS IT OVER.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M, I'M HERE FOR YOU.
AND BEFORE ALYSSA GETS STARTED, I WOULD JUST ASK THE CHAIR IF WE COULD HAVE A COUPLE MORE MINUTES, UH, FOR OUR PRESENTATION, SINCE I SEE OUR TIME RUNNING OUT.
AND WE'RE GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS TOO.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE MORE INFORMATION EXCHANGED.
SO HOW MANY, MAYBE TWO MORE MINUTES.
UM, MY, I'M HERE MY ALYSSA KLIN, UM, M WORK AT 1251 SOUTHWEST 20TH STREET, UH, MIAMI, FLORIDA.
AND, UM, AS YOU KNOW, UH, RESTAURANTS DON'T SURVIVE IF THEY DON'T OPERATE WELL AND IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T LOVE THEM.
UM, SO ONE OF OUR PRIME FOCUSES WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, ARE GONNA BE HERE FOR A LONG TIME AND THAT WE OPERATE SUCCESSFULLY.
LUCKILY, THIS BUILDING IS VERY WELL SET UP FROM THE GET GO WITH ALL OF ITS SERVICE ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ALREADY.
SO THE TRASH AND THE DELIVERIES ALL HAPPEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
THERE'S A, AN EXISTING DESIGNATED LOADING SPACE RIGHT THERE.
UM, SO ALL OF THAT KIND OF THING WORKS SUPER WELL.
UM, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WANTED TO UTILIZE, 'CAUSE IT'S A VERY WIDE SIDE YARD, WE WANTED TO UTILIZE THAT FOR THE ENTRANCE AND CREATE THAT SCREEN EXPERIENCE AS ALEJANDRO WAS DESCRIBING, ALL THE WAY ALONG THE SIDE, IT HAS THE ADDED BENEFIT OF BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE, UM, QUEUING SPACE FOR, FOR ANY GUESTS ARRIVING.
AND OF COURSE AN EXTENDED ARRIVAL EXPERIENCE.
UM, SO THAT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THE EXISTING DOOR, WHICH IS ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER, YOU'LL SEE OF IT'S BEEN XED OUT.
UM, THAT WILL BE THE EMERGENCY EXIT.
AND THEN THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT WE HAVE DOUBLE DOORS, TWO SETS OF DOORS ON EVERY ONE OF THESE ENTRANCES.
SO FROM A SOUND STANDPOINT, UM, THERE, BASICALLY THERE'S AN AIR LOCK ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE ENTRANCES, INCLUDING THE, UM, EMERGENCY EXIT ENTRANCE OR EXIT NEW VESTIBULE AND ENTRANCE SEQUENCE ON THE SOUTH.
AND THEN THE EXIT OUT TO THE TERRACE ALSO HAS TWO SETS OF DOORS.
SO THERE'S VERY GOOD SOUND PROTECTION, UM, BETWEEN THE INTERIOR AND THE EXTERIOR.
UM, LET'S SEE, THE, THE YELLOW DESIGNATES KIND OF THE DINING AREA.
YOU'LL NOTICE IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER THAN THE YARD HOUSE, PARTIALLY BECAUSE WE'VE TAKEN THIS ENTRANCE SEQUENCE TO GREAT EXTENTS.
ONCE YOU COME IN AND YOU'RE GREETED INSIDE AN ENTIRE ENTRY VESTIBULE.
UM, AND THEN ENTER THE DINING EXPERIENCE, THE DINING IS FAR MORE BOOTHS AND LESS, UM, AND LESS TABLES AND CHAIRS THAN WHAT YARD HOUSE HAS.
SO THE OVERALL SEAT COUNT ACTUALLY COMES DOWN.
UM, THERE, IT ALSO HAS TO, UH, RETAIN SPACE FOR PERFORMERS TO BE ABLE TO INTERMINGLE
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WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, DINERS.SO THE SPACE CONTINUALLY CHANGES ON THE INTERIOR.
UM, AND THEN ON THE EXTERIOR YOU'LL NOTICE WE'VE ACTUALLY REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF SEATING AND KEPT IT ALL TO THE SOUTH PORTION OVER THE SITE.
UM, IT MAINTAINS THE VIEWS WHERE THE SCREEN IS LOWER INTO THE GLAZED PORTION ON THE NORTHERN SECTION, NORTHERN HALF OF THE FACADE.
AND THEN AGAIN, BECAUSE OF ALL THE PLANTING AND THE POTS AND THE SCREEN, THE NUMBER OF TABLES AND CHAIRS THAT ACTUALLY FIT OUT THERE IS, UM, GREATLY REDUCED.
UM, WE ARE ADDING A VERY SMALL MEZZANINE, PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THIS PERFORMANCE ASPECT.
IT GIVES FAR BETTER, UH, VIEWS AND A VIP KIND OF EXPERIENCE TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
HOWEVER, IT'S SIMPLY BOOTHS AND THAT LITTLE LANDING.
UM, AND THEN THE SOUTH PORTION THAT WE'RE ADDING IS ALL FOR THE, UM, PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT, THE SOUND AND LIGHTING GUYS.
SO IT'S NOT A HIGHLY OCCUPIED SPACE.
UM, AND THEN ONE OTHER THING IS THAT IT DOES HAVE A, A STAGE, I CALL IT THE MUPPET, THE MUPPET STAGE, YOU KNOW, THE, ALL THE GUYS IN THE LITTLE OPENINGS.
UM, SO IT'S A VERY TALL KIND OF, UH, EXPERIENCE WITH, WITH OUR MUPPETS IN THERE.
AND THEN BEHIND THAT, WHAT USED TO BE THE KEG ROOM IS NOW GONNA BE THE DRESSING ROOM.
UM, TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE, UM, WAIVER REQUEST, UM, WE HAD SPOKEN ABOUT THIS BOTH WITH MICHAEL HAN WITH ALEJANDRO AND THERE WAS SOME DISCREPANCY IN HOW THE, THE WAIVER IS REQUIRED.
UM, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT RIGHT NOW FROM THE LOADING THE CURB TO THE EXISTING PROPERTY LINE AND THEREFORE THE UM, WATER FEATURE, WE HAVE 9.7 FEET, THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE WIDTH, THIS 10, UM, IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM MICHAEL THAT THE 10 WAS ACTUALLY MEASURED TO THE TREE, NOT TO THE A PA.
AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE ADI PAVE IT IS A TRAFFICABLE SURFACE.
UM, SO WE OF COURSE CAN PULL THE SCREEN BACK.
WE, BECAUSE WE'RE LITERALLY TALKING ABOUT A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL SPACE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO PULL IT BACK FROM.
SO WE'LL LEAVE IT TO STAFF AS TO WHETHER WE ACTUALLY NEED TO DO IT OR NOT.
WE CAN VERY MUCH MEET THE SETBACK, UM, WITH THE SCREEN.
UM, IF THE FOUNTAIN DOES REMAIN, THAT OF COURSE DOES GET REDUCED.
SO BASICALLY IT THANK YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, WITH THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY THE, AS YOU SAW IN THAT LAST SLIDE, THE SIDEWALK IS, WOULD BE EXACTLY IN THE SAME LOCATION.
THE SCREEN WOULD BE IN EXACTLY THE SAME LOCATION.
THIS WOULD NOT IN ANY WAY, UH, CREATE A BIGGER, UH, CONDITION OR, OR A WORSEN AN EXISTING CONDITION.
UM, WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE OUR PRESENTATION AND ASK THAT YOU APPROVE OUR APPLICATION WITH THE WAIVER AND REMOVING CONDITION 1D, ONE C, D AND E, WHICH REQUIRE US TO CREATE MORE TRANSPARENCY, REMOVE AND OR RELOCATE THE UPPER SCREENS AND REMOVE AND MAINTAIN THE WATER FEATURE.
WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN OURSELVES UP TO ANY QUESTIONS AND RESERVE TIME FOR REBUTTAL.
ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK? WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES HERE OF THE LINCOLN ROAD BID WHO ARE SUPPORTING US.
OTHERWISE YOU HAVE RECEIVED, I BELIEVE, A LETTER IN SUPPORT.
I MEAN IF YOU WANNA SPEAK VIA THE GOOD MORNING.
ANNABEL YI'S, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR LINCOLN ROAD.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD TO SPEAK HOW EXCITED WE ARE ABOUT THIS CONCEPT, THIS PROJECT OPENING UP ON LINCOLN ROAD.
THIS IS REALLY GONNA ELEVATE AND ADD TO THE TRANSFORMATION THAT LINCOLN ROAD IS GOING THROUGH.
SO WE ARE HERE, WE'RE VERY EXCITED.
WE HOPE YOU APPROVE THE WAIVER AND WE CAN'T WAIT FOR THE RESTAURANT TO BE OPEN.
NO ONE ONLINE AND THERE'S NO ONE IN LINE WITH THEIR HAND RAISED.
I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC PORTION, OPENING UP TO THE BOARD FOR COMMENT.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO START
AND I, THE ONLY, DE ONLY REAL QUESTION I HAVE LEFT IS LIKE, ARE THERE ANY PARTICULAR LINE ELEMENTS THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE DETAIL ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE, UH, SCREEN OR, I'M, I'M SORRY.
AND I'M HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME HEARING YOU
UM, ARE THERE ANY, UH, PARTICULAR LIGHTING ELEMENTS THAT YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE ON THE SCREEN ON THE EXTERIOR? NOT ON THE SCREEN ITSELF,
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BUT IT'S, IT'S ABOVE RIGHT.EVENING SHOT SHOW THAT, GET THIS ILLUMINATION ON.
YOU NEED TO COME, COME THE MIC, COME BACK.
THE EVENING SHOT SHOWED THAT IN THE RENDERING.
SO YOU GET LIGHTING ON THE TOP.
IT'D BE LIKE A, LIKE A LED LIGHT ON THE BOTTOM AS WELL.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A CO OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF LIGHTING ELEMENT USING THAT SCREEN AS I REFLECTIVE, UH, THAT'S RIGHT.
SO IT'S POWDER COATED SO IT POWDER COATED IS ONLY, UH, BUT YEAH, I'D LOVE TO DESIGN IT.
UM, GABRIEL, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? UM, MY QUESTION IS WITH THE ANCHORING OF THE SCREEN, STAY UP HERE
OH YEAH, WE, OH, IN THE APPLICATION.
SO LET'S PULL UP THE APPLICATION.
IT'S A LIGHT ALUMINUM SCREEN SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE MATTERED.
SO I DON'T WANT THIS THING TO RUST.
SO, UM, BUT IS IT REMOVABLE? IS IT, YOU KNOW, HURRICANE PROOF OR LIKE, TALK, TALK TO ME ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS PROCESS.
ALYSSA CAN TALK ABOUT THE DYNAMIC.
LET'S, LET'S HAVE THEN THE TALK BECAUSE IT'S SO TRANSPARENT.
IT'S NOT A LOT OF MATH THAT, SO IT'S JUST GONNA BLOW RIGHT THROUGH IT.
BUT STILL, I MEAN, IT'S STILL CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, A CONCERN.
YEAH, NO, IT IS ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE REGARDLESS OF, OF ITS BEAUTY.
AND IT'S, AND IT'S IF YOU, UH, FAIL, LIKE, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE THAT, UH, FOR THE PRESENTATION, BUT IT IS PART OF YOUR PACKAGE AND THE DRB PACKAGE, PAGE 23 OF THE PACKAGE, UH, DEMONSTRATES THE ANCHORING AND ALYSSA CAN DISCUSS IT.
IS THE ANCHORING ON TOP AND BOTTOM? YEAH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UH, FEATURE THAT ATTACHES THAT IN CASES THE LIGHT AND IS ATTACHED DIRECTLY TO THE, TO THE CONCRETE ON THE SURFACE OF THE CONCRETE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WANNA MAINTAIN ALSO WAS TO KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THIS GIANT, UM, THAT THE, THE ROOF BEING THAT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE, WE DID WANNA PRESERVE THAT AND SEE THE SCREEN AS BEING ADDITIVE.
SO ON PAGE 23, YOU CAN SEE IT BASICALLY THERE'S A, THERE'S A CHANNEL THAT THE SCREEN EMBEDS INTO.
IT DOES FOLD BACK AND FORTH, WHICH GIVES A LITTLE MORE STRUCTURAL STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY FROM A LATERAL STANDPOINT.
UM, AND WE ALSO CURVED IT AROUND FROM THE GROUND WHERE IT CURVES BACK AROUND.
WE'RE IMAGINING WE MAY NEED SOME POSTS FOR THE, FOR IT TO FINISH TO, UM, AT THE ENDS JUST TO GIVE IT THAT LATERAL, THAT LATERAL STRENGTH.
AND SOME OF THOSE POSTS ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE EMBEDDED, UM, IN THE CONCRETE BECAUSE THE GROUND LEVEL ONES ARE A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAN THE ONES THAT ARE SUSPENDED.
YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, I THINK IT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL TO PUT UP THIS IMAGE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF HOW WE, WE, UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE THAT AS PART OF OUR, I MEAN IS IT, YOU SAID IT'S, IT'S ON THE PUBLIC MATERIALS, IT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE.
SO HOW WE HAVE THINGS LISTED, I GUESS BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO BREAK THE FILES SMALLER.
THERE'S A LENNOX PLANS PHOTOS, LENNOX PLANS DRAWINGS.
AND THE DRAWINGS, IT'S ONE OF THE LAST PAGES OF THE DRAWING SECTION.
'CAUSE I HAVE THAT OPEN AND IT ONLY GOES TO 17.
SO WHAT GAUGE IS THE ALUMINUM? I'M SORRY, SORRY.
THE THICKNESS OR GAUGE OF THE ALUMINUM.
THAT'S GONNA BE UP TO OUR, ONCE WE GET INTO OUR FABRICATION DETAILS, BUT UM, FROM, FROM THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD PRELIMINARILY, UM, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT A QUARTER INCH THICK.
FROM MY EXPERIENCE, THAT TENDS TO BE A COMFORTABLE LASER CUT.
AND I THINK IT ALSO WILL DEPEND A LITTLE BIT ON THE SCALE OF THE PATTERN ONCE WE START GETTING THAT.
BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE SLENDER, THE LARGER OPENINGS THAT ALESSANDRA WAS DESCRIBING, THEY'RE GONNA NEED A LITTLE BIT OF THICKNESS JUST TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE, OF THE PATTERN.
SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY AT LEAST A QUARTER INCH THICK.
SO THERE WILL BE SHOP DRAWINGS AFTER SHOP DRAWINGS? EXACTLY.
I MEAN IT'S GONNA BE A FULLY ENGINEERED OKAY.
UM, WE DID THE, THE RAILING ON THE SIDE OF THE BETSY HOTEL, THAT STAIR, UM, WHICH HAS EXTENSIVE LASER CUT AND QUARTER INCH WAS WHERE WE ENDED UP WITH THAT.
BUT THERE HAD TO GO THROUGH KIND OF AN ENGINEERING PROCESS TO GET THERE.
SO I THINK YOU CAN BRING UP, MAYBE IT'S PAGE 11 IN THE LENNOX IN PLANS DRAWINGS.
THANK YOU
HOW DO YOU BRING THAT UP? YOU BRING IT UP, CJ, CAN YOU BRING IT UP OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS EASIER TO TALK SOMETHING IN FRONT OF YOU FOR SURE.
AND THEN WHERE IS, SO YOU MENTIONED THE, THE, THIS SORT OF TRACK LIGHTING OR WHATEVER.
HOW, WHERE IS THAT GONNA BE? SO THE, THE TOP, UM, SITS IN A CHANNEL ACROSS THE TOP.
UM, AND THE LIGHTING SITS ON EITHER SIDE
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IN EITHER SIDE OF THE CHANNEL.SO IT KIND OF SANDWICHES THE, THE SCREEN ITSELF AND WITH THE LIGHTS IN EITHER SIDE SO THAT THEY, THEY SHINE AND THERE'D BE THE, THE ANGLED CUTOFFS.
SO THEY KIND OF SHINE DOWN AND DIRECT THE LIGHT ONTO THE, UM, ONTO THE SCREEN ITSELF.
AND THEN FOR THE UPPER ONE, IT'S ALSO ON THE TOP.
IT'S THE SAME CHANNEL KIND OF TOP AND BOTTOM.
YEAH, BECAUSE WE, WE SEE THE KIND OF THE ROOF AND THE GROUND PLANE AS BEING KIND OF THE THING THAT IN ENCOMPASSES THIS NEW SCREEN DESIGN.
AND SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
IN THE RENDERINGS THAT YOU SHOWED US, THERE'S A VERY STRONG LINE OF THE LIGHTING.
IS THAT WHAT IT'S GONNA BE OR IS IT GONNA BE SOFTER? NO, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE A, A DISTINCT LINE THAT THAT CONTINUES ACROSS THE TOP.
IS MULTI MULTICOLOR OR THE ONE COLOR AT AT THIS POINT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT PLANNING IT.
IT PROBABLY WILL BE SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU CAN GET IT IN BOTH AND IT WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW THE DESIGN, THE DESIGN INTENT IS NOT TO MAKE IT INTO RAINBOW COLORS.
IT'S VERY MUCH SUPPOSED TO BE A VEIL, A LACE.
AND THEN HOW FAR BACK, I MEAN, WHAT IS, CAN YOU MAYBE TELL US WHAT IS THE EFFECT THAT YOU'RE GOING FOR WITH THIS SCREENING? IS IT FLOWING DOWN? HOW FAR BACK, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THIS MASSIVE CANTILEVER CANOPY.
IS IT, YOU KNOW, SPILLING OVER OR INSIDE A LITTLE BIT? AGAIN, IT'S JUST HARD TO TELL FROM, OH, IT'S SET BACK FROM THE ANGLED, UH, PROFILE OF THE, NO, I MEANT FROM THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
LIKE HOW FAR BACK IS IT FROM THE FRONT EDGE OF THE CONCRETE PLAN? OH, IT'S, IT'S ON PLAN.
HOLD ON, LEMME JUST GET YOU THE PLAN.
CAN WE PULL, LIKE DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE ANY RENDERINGS FROM THE INSIDE OF THE COURTYARD THAT, THAT SOMETHING WHERE MISSING THERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW DOWN, THERE'S AN, A AERIAL VIEW INTO THE SPACE.
YOUR FIRST IMAGE WITH THE DOTTED LINES AND PLAN, I THINK SHOW WITH THE UPPER LEVEL AND LOWER.
WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE ANSWERING SARAH, WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL RIGHT NOW.
TELL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE STORY BEHIND IT.
I HEARD LACE, LIKE YOU HAVE THIS SORT OF CONCRETE RIGID CANOPY AND NOW YOU'RE DRAPING LACE.
I'D JUST LOVE TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR STORY BEHIND THAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S VERY TRANSPARENT AND I, THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE GAUGE OF THE METAL.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE OPEN ENDS AND YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO COME AND BEND THEM AND NO, NO, THAT'S I THINK QUARTER INCH AND IT BEING CURVED, YOU'LL GET SOME GOOD RIGIDITY OUT OF THAT.
AND AS MU WAS SAYING, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME STRUCTURAL DRAWINGS THAT IT HELPS US.
SO IT'S DESIGN INTENT TO THE MOST PART.
WE HAVE STRUCTURAL DRAWINGS AND INSTRUCTIONAL ENGINEER TO COME ON BOARD AS WELL AS A LIGHTING CONSULTANT.
NO, NO OFFENSE TO THIS ROOM, BUT NOT AS HARSH AS THIS.
I'M GONNA BE SENSITIVE TO THE EYES.
WE DO WANT OUR GUESTS TO COME UP AND BE VERY COMFORTABLE TO THE, SO WE DON'T WANT HARSH LIGHTING.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE NICE AND SOFT AND GENTLE.
THIS IS IN-HOUSE RENDERINGS, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE BEST THAT WE COULD DO IN TERMS OF GIVING YOU AN INDICATION OF WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
IF CJ COULD GET THE PRESENTATION BACK UP, WE'LL TRY TO GET THE RIGHT, UH, FOLDER FOR YOU.
AND I MEAN THAT WAS, I, I, I THOUGHT IT, I LIKED THAT YOU DID THIS, THIS BREAKDOWN OF THIS IS ONE AND YOU KNOW THAT IT WAS NOT ATTACHED.
GABE, GABRIEL, DID YOU HAVE, I KNOW THIS, YOU BROUGHT THIS UP.
DO YOU HAVE MORE COMMENTS? I JUST, I JUST HAVE A CONCERN, YOU KNOW, WITH IT, I FEEL THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING'S GONNA HAPPEN AND I, I JUST, I FEEL SOMETHING WITH THEIR, THE THICKNESS IS NOT PROBABLY OKAY.
AND, AND THE ATTACHMENT, THE ANCHORING AND IS, IS ANOTHER CONCERN.
SO IT'S MORE STRUCTURAL THAN DESIGN.
I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA LIE, BUT THE STRUCTURAL IS WHAT'S CONCERNING.
SO YOU'LL SEE THE, THIS IS THE PLAN OF, OF THE PROPOSED SCREENS.
ALYSSA, COULD YOU GET CLOSER TO THE MIC? SORRY.
THE BLUE, THE BLUE INDICATES THE SCREENING ELEMENTS ABOVE MM-HMM
SO THEY'RE SET BACK A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND THEN THE GROUND LEVEL ONES ARE MORE ALONG THE EDGE.
AND YOU'LL SEE AT THE END OF ALL THE GROUND LEVEL ONES, WHICH ARE THE TALLER ONES, I SEE THAT THEY KIND OF DO A TIGHT CURVE BACK, WHICH IS WHERE IT ENGAGES WITH THE POSTS.
SO EACH OF THOSE TIGHT LITTLE KICKBACKS, UM, ALLOWS FOR A POST TO BE KIND OF ENVELOPED BY THE VEIL AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS TO STIFFEN THE LATERAL FOR THE GROUND LEVEL, WHICH WE AGREED WAS GONNA BE THE AREA OF CONCERN.
YOU HAVE PEOPLE TOUCHING THEM, LEANING ON THEM.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY THE POSTS WERE INTRODUCED ON THE GROUND LEVEL.
FOR THE UPPER LEVEL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MUCH SMALLER AND OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT DEALING WITH THEIR OWN WHITE AS WELL AS THE, UM, AS THE WHITE OF PEOPLE MESSING WITH THEM.
THEY'RE LIGHT, LIGHT FIXTURES.
THE BLUE ONES KIND OF LIKE A LIGHT FIXTURE UP THERE, JUST KINDA ANCHORED.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE VERY HEAVY.
BUT AGAIN, WE'LL GET A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO SIGN OFF ON THESE.
AND SO THEN TO INTERACT, IS THERE GONNA BE A GAP BETWEEN THE TOP OF THE ONES FROM THE FLOOR AND YES,
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BECAUSE IT'S, I KNOW IT'S VERY HIGH.SO, UM, SO THAT THERE IS A, SOME, SOMETIMES THE UPPER ONE GETS A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN THE LOWER ONE, SO THEY KIND OF ENGAGE AND SO IT'S VERY AROUND DIMENSIONAL.
YOU CAN SEE BETWEEN THE BLUE AND THE YELLOW OR IT'S THE YELLOW ON THE FRONT.
SCOTT, DID YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE, LOOKING STRAIGHT AT THE BUILDING, I SEE WHERE IT'S A VERY LOW WALL DURING THE DAY VERSION, YOU HAVE A MAN STANDING THERE AND IT'S, IT'S THE WALL'S LIKE AT BELOW WAIST HEIGHT AND THEN AT THE NIGHT VERSION IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S PLANTERS BEHIND THAT WALL.
SO I JUST WANTED TO YEAH, THAT'S THE SUSPECT SHOT ON THE NORTH SIDE.
UM, IT'S THIS NUMBER SEVEN, RIGHT? WE, WE TRY TO UH, MAINTAIN VISIBILITY INTO WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE MAIN ENTRANCE, WHICH IS THE NORTH END.
UM, AND THE PLANTERS ARE ON THE INSIDE OF SCOTT.
YOU WERE ASKING EARLIER ABOUT DID WE HAVE AN AERIAL OR SOMETHING SHOWING WHAT THE COURTYARD WOULD LOOK AT LOOK LIKE? IF YOU LOOK UP NOW, UM, ON THE TOP LEFT YOU CAN SEE THE AERIAL VIEW LOOKING INTO THE SPACE AND THE TOP RIGHT KIND OF AT LEVEL, YOU CAN SEE INSIDE SPACE THERE, THE COURTYARD.
SO WHERE THAT'S VERY LOW, I, I APPRECIATE STEPH'S COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, VISIBILITY AND WHERE YOU HAVE IT LOW AND THEN THE HIGH ONE IS SHORTER.
I THINK YOU ADD A NICE OPENNESS THERE.
I JUST, THE, THE HEIGHT CONCERNED ME THAT PEOPLE WOULD HOP OVER IF THERE'S NOT A BARRIER.
AND THEN IN THE OTHER ONE THERE'S AT THE VERY NORTH SIDE IT JUST STOPS AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN THE GLASS AND THE BUILDING.
BUT THAT'S GONNA BE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ACCESSIBLE, RIGHT? LIKE, IT IT'S NOT SO, SO THERE'S A BACKFLOW PREVENTER THERE.
WE'RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE A BACKFLOW PREVENTER RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THERE.
SO WHAT, WHAT DID YOU SAY? I'M SORRY.
IT'S A BACKFLOW PREVENTER AND A FIRE HYDRANT.
AND THE FIRE ACCESS IS ACTUALLY FROM THAT SIDE.
SO WE'RE REQUIRED TO KEEP IT OPEN.
SO THE FIRE WOULD ENTER THE SPACE FROM THAT LOCATION, BUT IT CURVES BACK INTO THE BUILDING NOT ALLOWING ACCESS TO THE RESTAURANT THROUGH THAT SIDE.
NO, IT'S OPENED, IT'S OPEN ON THAT.
SO HOW DO YOU, SO HOW DO YOU PREVENT PEOPLE FROM WALKING THROUGH THERE? FROM THE OUTSIDE IS WHAT I'M ASKING.
THERE'S A GATE I'LL SHOW YOU ON THE PLAN.
THERE'S A GATE ABOUT HALFWAY ALONG THE FACADE BACK ONE.
ALRIGHT, SO YOU SEE WHERE THE, THE BILLY STARTS TO, IS THERE, IS THERE A LASER ON THE SIDE? I DUNNO THAT THERE IS, YOU SEE WHERE THE, THERE IT SAYS SERVICE STATION TO THE LEFT OF SERVICE STATION THAT IS THAT GLAZING, RIGHT? RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S A, A, A YELLOW LINE THAT RUNS KINDA NORTH SOUTH ON THAT PLAN WITH THE, SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE, THE AREA RIGHT NOW WHERE YOU ENTER INTO YARD HOUSE, WHERE THAT FRONT ENTRANCE IS, THERE WILL BE NO TABLES THERE.
THAT'S JUST BEAUTIFICATION OF THE SPACE.
SO THAT IS NOT, UM, THAT IS OUR EMERGENCY EXIT THAT IS ALL OPEN SO YOU CAN EXIT, BUT THERE WILL BE A BARRIER TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM GOING BACK RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S WHAT THERE'S A BARRIER QUESTION BARRIER FURTHER SOUTH, AS ALESSANDRA WAS SAYING, RIGHT.
WHERE THE BUILDING KIND OF LHAS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE GATE, WHICH IS WHERE ACCESSES THE ACTUAL RESTAURANT SPACE.
WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE RIGHT.
AND THEN MY LAST COMMENT WAS AGAIN WITH STAFF.
I APPRECIATE THE MAINTENANCE OF THE WATER FEATURE, BUT UM, I MEAN THIS WATER FEATURE IS A CONCRETE BLOCK BASICALLY.
I DON'T SEE MUCH ARCHITECTURAL USE OF IT.
IT'S SAD NOT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF WATER FEATURE.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD REALLY ADD TO YOUR AMBIANCE IN THAT COURTYARD TO HAVE SOME KIND OF WATER SOUND.
BUT I DON'T PARTICULARLY THINK SAVING THAT THING IS GONNA BE A CRIME TO THE ARCHITECTURAL WORLD, UM, OR THAT IT'S AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE BUILDING, HONESTLY,
SO I, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GETTING RID OF THAT.
UM, ADAM, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? UM, I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
NO, I, I, AGAIN, NOW THAT LOOKING AT CLOSELY, CLOSELY I SEE THE SORT OF DRAPING OF THE FABRIC IS, IS SORT OF THE PATTERN YOU'RE TRYING TO USE THAT AS THE RIGIDITY OF THE LOWER SECTION THERE.
AND THAT, THAT IS SOME OF MY CONCERN IS JUST IT GETTING DAMAGED AND IT'S WEAR POORLY WEARING OVER TIME AND LIKE PEOPLE BENDING THE, THE PATTERN IS THERE.
I SEE THAT IN THE RENDERINGS THE PATTERN IS, IS CONSISTENT AND I GET IT.
BUT ARE YOU PLANNING TO SORT OF GRADIENT UP WITH SORT OF DENSITY TO LIGHTER AS YOU, AS YOU WORK FROM THE GROUND UP SO THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE PROTECTION OF THE, OF THE PATTERN SO IT DOESN'T GET AS DAMAGED? UM, AND BEFORE I LET ALESSANDRO IT DISCUSSED THE, THE ACTUAL MATERIAL, I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE WILL HAVE LANDSCAPING ALL ON THE, ON THE INTERIOR AROUND THE, UH, THAT METAL FRAMING.
SO, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE CAN ADDRESS THE OUT, I JUST WANNA SAY, SO THERE'S ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE LACE IS CONNECTED, SO THERE'S NEVER ANY OPEN LIKE FRAME WHERE YOU CAN GRAB IT AND, AND PRY IT OPEN.
AND LAST THING WE WANT IS SOMETHING GET HURT.
THAT'S THE LAST THING WE WANT.
SO IT IS ABSOLUTELY ALTERNATE.
IMAGINE LIKE A LACE, RIGHT? SO IT'S ALL INTERWOVEN, CONNECTED,
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YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH IT.SO I, I DON'T THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO CRACK THAT UP.
YOU'D HAVE TO PUT SOME, WELL, LET ASK YOU A QUESTION.
'CAUSE THIS SEEMS TO BE A GENERAL CONCERN.
COULD YOU MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT THICKER IF YOU WERE ASKING OH, SURE.
THAT'S WHAT THE SAYS THAT THEY WANT IT TO BE THICKER.
WE DON'T REALLY WANT A BUNCH OF POSTS.
SO IF HE SAYS TO MAKE IT HALF INCH THICK, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
SO I I ALSO HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO THAT BECAUSE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE AND PEOPLE STICKING TRASH IN THERE AND LEAVING IT AT NIGHT, LIKE IT COULD BE A CONCERN LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA PUT IT TIME, BUT LIKE A MESH OR SOMETHING TO PREVENT TRASH BEING OR CUPS.
WE, WE WANTED IT TO BE A LITTLE MORE DENSE, BUT I THINK IT CONTRADICTED THE OPEN.
IT WAS LIKE THIS CROP, WE DID A 50 50 ALMOST, RIGHT? I'M, I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, THE LOWER QUADRANT OF IT.
AND AGAIN, PEOPLE LIKE CLIMBING IT OR STEPPING ON IT AND, AND BENDING A PIECE.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR SHOPS, IF YOU GRADIENT IT FROM DENSER UP THAT WAY YOU'RE ALSO, IT'S, IT'S MORE RIGID AND THEN NOBODY CAN PUT THEIR FOOT IN THERE AND START TO CLIMB IT.
UM, AND IT'S ALSO COULD ACT AS LIKE THE BOTTOM OF THE, THE CURTAIN DRAPE.
IF IT'S LIKE, IF YOU HAD A YEAH, A FOLD OR SOMETHING THERE.
LIKE, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GOES AGAINST THE STAFF IF IT DOESN'T OR HAPPY TO LOOK, I SEE MY KIDS CLIMBING IT
AND THERE'S NO MUPPETS BY THE WAY IN THE SHOW.
I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, THERE ARE NO MUPPETS IN THE SHOW.
AND DOES THE IDEA OF THE LACE CONTRIBUTE TO THE IDEA OF THE PROGRAM INSIDE? LIKE THIS IS PART OF WHAT, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE, THE TYPE OF YES.
SO THE BASE SHOWS AND, AND THE VIBE INSIDE.
I JUST, THAT THAT'S SORT OF THE BIG STATEMENT FOR IS IT MATCH WHAT'S HAPPENING INSIDE? IT'S FOR SURE IT IS.
AND AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, THAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE A PIECE OF ART, WHICH WAS THE INTENT.
YOU DON'T WANT THIS THING TO LOOK DECORATIVE.
I SEE A LOT OF ELEVATIONS ON FACADES TENDING TO LOOK A LITTLE DECORATIVE OF PLASTER.
I JUST REALLY WANTED THIS THING TO FEEL LIKE A PIECE OF ART RATHER THAN LIKE YOU MEAN PARIS OR SOMETHING? YEAH, EXACTLY.
I JUST, I, YOU KNOW, WE DO A LOT OF WORK GLOBALLY AROUND THE WORLD AND WE GET TO SEE THIS EXCITING ELEVATIONS ON, ON RESTAURANTS THAT YOU JUST DON'T SEE IT VERY MUCH AND I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE DECORATIVE.
SO YEAH, DEFINITELY MORE SCULPTURAL THAN IT'S NOW.
AND IT DOES CARRY COMPLETELY INTO THE INTERIOR.
IT'S ALL A VEIL OF INTRIGUE IS WHAT WE'VE CALLED IT.
AND THE MUPPET WALL, BUT WE WILL CALL IT THE VEIL OF INTRIGUE, SEAT ON TABLETOPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
MYRA, DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT THIS? YES.
UM, I'LL TRY TO GO, UH, THROUGH ALL MY, UM, COMMENTS ON THIS.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT ANCHORING AND THE GAUGE.
UM, I THINK ALL OF THAT WILL BE, UM, LOOKED AT VERY CAREFULLY BY YOUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.
AND THEN IF THAT ISN'T ENOUGH, I KNOW THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL TAKE, UH, A GOOD LOOK AT THAT SO THAT IT NOT ONLY WITHSTANDS, UM, DAILY TOUCHING OF THAT VEIL, UM, OR LACE, BUT ALSO A STORM, UM, WIND OR HURRICANE.
UM, AND SO I, I DON'T, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT 'CAUSE I KNOW IT WILL BE LOOKED AT CAREFULLY.
UM, I THINK THAT REDUCING THE NUMBER OF SEATS, UM, IS GOOD.
UM, IT ALSO REDUCES YOUR PARKING REQUIREMENT IN THE PARKING CRUNCH THAT WE HAVE IN THE AREAS AS IT EXISTS.
UM, I THINK THE ENHANCEMENT YOU'VE DONE TO THE PROPERTY IS, UH, BEAUTIFUL.
UM, NOT ONLY IN THE FRONT, BUT ON THE SIDE.
UM, I THINK MOVING THE ENTRANCE THROUGH THE SIDE NOT ONLY, UM, CREATES A DIFFERENT, UH, FEELING WHEN A PERSON GOES TO THE RESTAURANT, BUT IT ALSO PROVIDED FOR A BETTER CIRCULATION OF THE RESTAURANT INSIDE.
UM, CURRENTLY THE WHEN WITH THE PREVIOUS, UM, OCCUPANT, UM, THE, THE FEELING INSIDE WAS NOT A GOOD FEELING.
IT WAS LIKE FOREVER YOU KEPT ON GOING BACK.
UH, SO I THINK THIS CIRCULATION WILL WORK MUCH BETTER, IN MY OPINION,
UM, I, UM, I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT WHEN IT LIGHTS UP.
I KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE, UM, BASED ON, UM, THE PROPERTY AND I, IT I DO NOT.
UM, I I I AM PRETTY SURE IT'S GONNA BE A FIRST CLASS RESTAURANT COMING IN.
UM, AND I'M SURE THAT THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF SECURITY AND MAINTENANCE ON IT.
UM, BUT IF THERE'S A CONCERN WITH SOMEONE TRYING TO STICK THEIR HAND IN OR A FOOT IN, UH, OR UH, LEAVING WATER BOTTLES IN THE, UH, OPENINGS, I'M SURE THAT THE, UM, EITHER THE ALARM SYSTEMS THROUGH LASER CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT AND ALSO THE MAINTENANCE EVERY DAY.
I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH REMOVING THE WATER FEATURE.
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VERY MUCH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S OPINION.HOWEVER, I DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S MUCH OF A WATER FEATURE, MORE OF A BATHTUB FOR THE, UM, COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, I, I THINK REMOVING IT, UM, OR IF YOU DECIDE REMOVING IT IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR ME.
IF YOU DECIDE TO DO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF WATER FEATURE ON THE INSIDE COURTYARD FOR SOUND EFFECT, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
UH, BUT I WOULDN'T MAKE THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IT RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, IN AND OUT, IN AND OUT, IN AND OUT.
AND CURRENTLY WE ARE THERE WITH A BLOCK OF CEMENT, UM, OR THE BUILDING IS THERE WITH A BLOCK OF CEMENT OF THE WATER FEATURE.
SO I DON'T FORESEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE EITHER.
I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL ENHANCEMENT, UH, TO LENNOX AVENUE.
AND THE RESTAURANT WILL BE A WONDERFUL ENHANCEMENT, I'M SURE, UM, TO LINCOLN ROAD.
UM, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS RELATED TO THIS.
IT'S ACTUALLY, I WANNA START WITH POINTS THAT WERE MADE BY STAFF, UM, AND EXPAND UPON THEM.
SO, UM, I, ONE OF THEM WAS TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE, HOW THE SCREEN MAY OBSCURE THE ORIGINAL DESIGN INTENT.
UM, AND THIS WAS SOMETHING, SO I WENT TO THE PROPERTY AND I STOOD, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STREET, YOU KNOW, REALLY SORT OF STUDYING WHAT WAS GOING ON.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I'D LIKE TO MAYBE BRING UP A PICTURE RIGHT NOW AS THE BUILDING EXISTS.
IT'S, AND I DIDN'T EVER EVEN REALLY NOTICED IT BEFORE.
UM, IT'S THIS REALLY INTERESTING, SIMPLE, MODERNIST GESTURE OF WHERE YOU HAVE THE GLASS, THE GLASS WALLS, AND THEN THIS VERY HEAVY CONCRETE OVERHANGING CANTILEVER CANOPY.
UM, AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS TYPICAL MODERNIST PLAY WITH THE LIGHTNESS SUPPORTING THE HEAVINESS, AND IT'S REALLY REINFORCED BY THE FACT THAT SOME OF THE WINDOWS AT THE FRONT ARE, YOU KNOW, PLACED AT AN ANGLE.
SO YOU HAVE THIS VERY SORT OF STRONG MODERNIST GESTURE TO THIS BUILDING.
UM, AND EVEN THE SIDE, ALTHOUGH I AGREE, YOU KNOW, THE SIDE ALONG THE PARKING LOT, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH.
IT STILL HAS THAT SORT OF SIMPLE, ELEGANT, MINIMAL STATEMENT TO IT.
UM, AND MY MAIN CONCERN THAT, THAT I THINK IS WHAT STAFF, WHAT STAFF HAS POINTED OUT IS THAT THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE BUILDING.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO TELL WITH THE DRAWINGS THAT YOU SUBMITTED OR THE RENDERINGS.
WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT THESE SCREENS DON'T OBSTRUCT THAT OR CHANGE THAT OR ALL THAT.
AND I LOVE, I LOVE THE RESTAURANT CONCEPT THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING.
I LOVE THE ACTIVATION AND THE ENERGY, AND I, I GET IT.
UM, ALL, ALL OF THE INTERIOR THINGS THAT YOU'VE CHOSEN, THE LANDSCAPING, ET CETERA, I WANNA BE ABLE TO GO WITH, WITH YOU ON THIS JOURNEY.
I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT, I, I WANT THESE SCREENS TO WORK IN SYNC WITH THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE, NOT FIGHT IT OR OBSCURE IT.
ADMITTEDLY, I'M A FAN OF MODERNISM AND MINIMALIST ARCHITECTURE TO BEGIN WITH.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NICE.
UM, AND, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT STRIKES ME.
AND, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND MY OTHER CONCERN, UM, DID YOU PROVIDE IN THE PRESENTATION MATERIALS A SAMPLE OF EXACTLY THE DESIGN? OR IS THAT JUST SORT OF THE IDEA OF WHAT YOU MIGHT BE DOING? WE HAVE A BLOW UP OF THAT.
ON THE LAY, YOU MEAN? EXACTLY.
WE DON'T HAVE A PHYSICAL, WE DON'T HAVE A PHYSICAL, UH, NO, WE'RE ON, RIGHT, BECAUSE USUALLY, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TYPICALLY, UM, I KNOW YOU HAVE A MATERIALS BOARD, WHICH IS HELPFUL.
UM, TIP THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING OR THAT'S BASED AN IDEA OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT LIKE THIS, THE DESIGN.
I'M GONNA GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER, WHICH IS I'M NOT HERE TO DESTROY ARCHITECTURE HISTORY.
SO, AND I LOVE THE MINIMALISM OF THE BUILDING TOO.
THAT'S WHY THE IDEA OF TRYING TO KEEP IT AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE AND LIGHT AS POSSIBLE WAS PART OF THE JOURNEY.
AND THEN USING PLANTING TO KIND OF USE IT AS A BIT OF A CAMOUFLAGE FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN THE PATIO, RIGHT? SO WE'RE USING IN PLANTING FROM THE INSIDE, BECAUSE FROM THE OUTSIDE THERE'S NO, SO MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE STREET SIDE VIEW, I ALSO, AND AGAIN, IT'S ANOTHER STAFF POINT, WHAT ARE THE SORT OF REGULATIONS OR ABOUT THE INTERACTION BETWEEN THE PEDESTRIAN AND THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY? BECAUSE I AGREE, THIS IS REALLY CUTTING IT OFF, AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHY, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA CREATE THIS EXCLUSIVE SPECIAL EXPERIENCE,
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BUT WHAT ARE OUR, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS AND ZONING? WHAT DOES THE CODE SAY? WELL, THE CODE REQUIRES THE ACTIVATE, YOU KNOW, ACTIVATED USES ALONG THE STREET FRONT.AND RIGHT NOW, UM, LIKE WAS MENTIONED, AND MAYBE YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH DURING THE DAY, BUT YOU HAVE THE OUTDOOR SEATING THAT CREATES THE ACTIV ACTIVATION.
AND RIGHT NOW, THE SCREENING OUT, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE, THE VISIBILITY AND TRANSPARENCY THROUGH, SO IT DOESN'T BECOME LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A WALL TO THE STREET.
RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT THAT, BY THE WAY, I THINK IT IS HELPFUL THAT YOU HAVE THE, THE TWO LAYERS.
IT DOESN'T REALLY, YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE STRAIGHT ON ELEVATION, BUT I THINK HAVING THAT UPPER LEVEL, WHICH IS MORE UNDULATING AND THE LOWER LEVEL, SO I DO THINK YOU'LL GET THAT, YOU'LL GET THAT TRANSPARENCY.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA LOOK AT IT STRAIGHT ON.
UM, SO, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THE, THE ISSUE WITH THE WATER FEATURE AND HOW THAT SORT OF IS JARRING IN COMPARISON TO THE LACE IN THE, UM, UM, THE GENTLE CURVES OF THE, OF THE LACING ELEMENTS.
AND JUST TO GO BACK ONTO THE, UM, THE WAVE THAT'S BEING REQUESTED FOR THE FRONTAGE STANDARDS, I JUST WANNA VERIFY, I JUST, IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF THE 10 FOOT PEDESTRIAN ZONE, LOOKING AT THE CODE REQUIREMENTS, IT REQUIRES A, A 15 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE BACK OF CURB.
AND SINCE YOU'RE NOT PLACING THE, SINCE YOU'RE REMOVING THE WATER FEATURE, BUT THAT'S FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, MICHAEL, UNDER THE, BUT, BUT YOU, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU REMOVE THE WATER FEATURE, YOU, YOU, THAT YOU COMPLY WITH THE CODE, YOU'RE REMOVING THE WATER FEATURE AND THEN YOU'RE ADDING SOMETHING BACK.
SO I THINK THE WAIVER IS STILL NEEDED.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA KEEP, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT 15 FEET FROM THE, FROM THE BACK OF FORTH.
WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE WAIVER.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE BOARD GRANTS IT, OR YOU ASK, ASK OF IT TODAY.
SO IT DOESN'T BECOME AN ISSUE AT, UM, AT PERMITTING, RIGHT? MM-HMM
THAT'S WHY WE DID IT IN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T CERTAIN THAT IT WAS NECESSARY SINCE IT WASN'T NEW CONSTRUCTION.
BUT AS MICHAEL INDICATED, THE REMOVAL OF THE WATER FEATURE COULD BE CONSIDERED NEW CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? IF WE PUT THE SCREEN BACK, IF YOU WERE KEEPING THE WATER FEATURE, THEN I WOULD SAY WOULD NOT NEED THAT.
BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THE DISTANCE THAT EXISTS ON THE SIDEWALK WOULD NOT CHANGE.
IT'S EXACTLY THIS IN THE SAME LOCATION.
WE'RE THAT CORRECT? YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT REDUCING THAT, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE AN, I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT THE CURRENT DESIGN AS EXISTS IS THAT THERE IS A VERY DIRECT INTERACTION BETWEEN THE STREET AND PEOPLE SITTING IN THE RESTAURANT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCEPT IS, IS NOT TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT IT ALSO, WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT, AND AGAIN, MAYBE IT'S JUST AN ISSUE WITH THE RENDERING, IS AT THAT WAS IT SOUTHWEST CORNER, THAT THE, THE DEPTH OF THE, THE CANTILEVER IS EVEN MORE DRAMATIC.
AND YOU HAVE THIS DEEP RECESS.
AND I THINK THAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE BUILDING WAS TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PEDESTRIANS AND WITH THE STREET, AND ALSO THIS VERY DRAMATIC OVERHANG AND WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE FEW FEATURES OF THE BUILDING.
AND MY CONCERN IS THAT THE, THAT THESE, THE SCREENING IS GONNA SCREEN THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA NOTICE IT.
IT'S NOT, IT'S GONNA TAKE AWAY THAT EFFECT.
AND IF THAT'S ONE OF THE FEW DESIGN COMPONENTS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, YOU KNOW WHAT I, I DON'T KNOW.
IT HAS TO BE DONE SENSITIVELY.
AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M CONFLICTED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I WANNA SAY, LISTEN, THIS IS YOUR PROPERTY AND YOU CAN DESIGN IT AND HAVE YOUR RESTAURANT CONCEPT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T, I KEEP THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A, A WOMAN WEARING LIKE AN ELEGANT, BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED LIKE ISSA MEKI GOWN AND THEN WRAPPING IT WITH THIS REALLY GARISH, COLORFUL WRAP.
AND YOU CAN'T SEE THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT IN IT.
IT JUST CLASHES AND IT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT.
THIS COULD BE REALLY INTERESTING.
I LIKE MIXING, YOU KNOW, DESIGN DESIGNS, BUT YOU HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT.
AND THAT'S ALSO WHY I MENTIONED THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT DRAWING OF WHAT THAT SCREENING IS.
AND MAYBE IT WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE IF THE DESIGN OF THE SCREEN WAS LESS SORT OF FLORAL AND CURVE LINEAR.
AND MAYBE IT'S MORE OF A NOD TO THE MODERNISM OF THE BUILDING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
'CAUSE I WAS, AGAIN, LIKE I, I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, LOOKING AT THE BUILDING, TRYING TO THINK IT THROUGH, AND I WAS LIKE, HOW CAN WE ENSURE THAT THIS IS DONE IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY DON'T CLASH? AND HERE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THIS, AND THIS IS A MASSIVE BUILDING ON A MAIN, A BIG STREET.
THIS IS A VERY VISIBLE LOCATION, SO IT HAS TO BE DONE RIGHT.
AND, AND I'M SURE
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU PRESENT US WITH, YOU KNOW, DRAWINGS THAT ARE HARD TO READ, AND THEN THIS IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING OF DOING.
YOU KNOW, IN OFTENTIMES WE GET THESE PRESENTATIONS AND THEY SAY, HERE'S THE SCREEN.
THIS IS WHAT WE'VE WORKED OUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PRESENTING US WITH, THIS IS REALLY THE, THE BIG THING THAT YOU'RE ASKING US ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE SCREEN.
AND THEN YOU'RE COMING AND SAYING, OH, IT COULD BE THIS, BUT YOU GOTTA TRUST US.
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THE INTENT IS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THIS.OBVIOUSLY IF DURING CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, A FLOWER NEEDS TO GO TO THE LEFT OR, YOU KNOW, THERE NEEDS TO BE A, AN EXTRA SUPPORT THAT MAY HAPPEN.
BUT THE INTENT IS TO PROVIDE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, UM, IN THAT SHEET.
IF I CAN, CAN ADD AND, AND TO WHAT, UM, SARAH IS SAYING, I ACTUALLY HAVE A DIFFERENT, UH, FEELING WHEN I LOOK AT THAT BUILDING OVER THE YEARS.
UM, I DON'T SEE AN INVITING, UH, BUILDING.
I SEE A BLOCK OF CEMENT ON TOP AND THEN A BLACK OR DARK GLASS, AND THEN I SEE ANOTHER BLOCK OF CEMENT ON THE BOTTOM, WHICH IS THE WATER FEATURE.
UM, THAT'S FROM THE OUTSIDE MANY A TIMES, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THERE AND ENTERING THE, THE RESTAURANT, IT'S NOT INVITING, IT'S NOT A GOOD FEELING ON THE INSIDE.
IT DOESN'T ALLOW ME THAT MUCH VISIBILITY, UM, BECAUSE OF ITS CIRCULATION, BECAUSE OF ITS DARK GLASS, UH, OR WHAT APPEARS TO BE A DARK GLASS.
IT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE ME MUCH OF AN INVITATION OR MUCH OF A NICE LOOK, UM, TO THE PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, DOESN'T GIVE ME THAT VISIBILITY.
SO I DON'T, I I DON'T HAVE AN INVITING FEELING IN THE STRUCTURE AS IT SITS TODAY FROM THE OUTSIDE OR THE INSIDE.
I THINK THE LACE ACTUALLY NOT BEING A STRAIGHT, BUT ACTUALLY BEING CURVED AND BEING, UM, DIFFERENT ON THE, UH, DIFFERENT LEVEL.
UM, ON THE BOTTOM, AS ON THE TOP, UM, IS ALSO INCREASING THE VISIBILITY, UM, THAT IS AVAILABLE NOW.
I'LL SEE THAT VLLC, THE LANDSCAPING FROM THE OUTSIDE, I SEE SOMETHING FAR PRETTIER THAN WHAT I SEE TODAY.
SO I, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT LIKES, UH, DIFFERENT TASTE, DIFFERENT COLORS.
UH, UM, THAT'S MY, MY, UH, MY TAKE ON IT.
SO BASICALLY YOU DON'T LIKE THE BUILDING TO BEGIN WITH AND YOU'RE HAPPY FOR IT TO BE OVER.
SO, SARAH, I DON'T MIND SPEAKING TO THAT.
LIKE, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT I, LIKE, I'M SORRY.
I ACTUALLY LIKE THE COMBINATION.
ONE THING I FORGOT OF THE, UH, SLAB OF, OF THE ROOF, UH, WITH THE LACE.
I THINK IT'S, UH, KEEPING SOME OF THE MODERN, UM, TOGETHER WITH SOME OF THE NEW, YEAH.
SCOTT, DID YOU COMMENT? YEAH, I, THIS GREW ON ME A LOT.
I DIDN'T LOVE IT FROM THE BEGINNING.
AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T RESPOND.
I, I, I DID NOT LOVE IT AT THE BEGINNING.
UM, PARTICULARLY THE SPACE YOU LEFT ON THE NORTH SIDE LOOKING IN.
UM, I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S VERY WHIMSICAL AND IT'S VERY ELEGANT.
AND I LIKE YOUR CON I LIKE THE CONCEPT.
I KNOW YOUR RESTAURANTS ARE AMAZING.
'CAUSE THIS IS A DEAD AREA RIGHT NOW.
AND I ALSO WOULD SAY EVEN REMOVING THE FOUNTAIN, YOU'RE NOT REALLY BASTARDIZING THE ARCHITECTURE.
SO IF THIS DOESN'T WORK OUT, IT CAN BE UNDONE AND EVERYTHING REMAINS THE SAME.
AND I THINK RIGHT NOW YOU'RE RIGHT IN THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING, UM, IT'S GOTTA BE DONE RIGHT? THAT, THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THE SAME PICTURE, THE ONE IN THE DAYTIME.
AND YOUR CONCERNS ARE MY, WHERE MY REALIZATIONS THAT THERE'S ENOUGH OF IT ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND ON THE LEFT SIDE YOU SEE IS STRONG ROOF.
UM, EVEN WITH THE DESIGN, THEY LEFT KIND OF SPACE IN THE CORNER THAT LOOKS PAST IT.
SO ANYWAY, I THINK YOU DID ALL THE RIGHT THINGS AS FAR AS SPACING, THIS LACE STUFF.
SO I WOULD, IF WE'RE READY, I WOULD, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DESIGN, UH, AS WELL AS THE, UH, VARIANCE.
WELL, ACTUALLY I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT AS YOU'RE TALKING.
UM, I THINK MAYBE IN LOOKING, AND AGAIN, SOME OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE RENDERING AND, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT IS ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT, WHAT'S CONTRIBUTING ABOUT THIS BUILDING IS THIS DEEP, HEAVY, UM, CONCRETE OVERHANGING ROOF.
I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE PROPERTY REALLY INTERESTING.
AND THE LINE GOES ALL THE WAY BACK.
AGAIN, IT'S A VERY SIMPLE, MINIMAL GESTURE, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE ARE WAYS TO PRESERVE THIS CONCRETE CANOPY AND ALSO HAVE THE SCREENING BECAUSE, AND IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S JUST HARD TO SEE IN THE RENDERING.
I THINK RIGHT NOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE WRAPPING IN WRAPPING THE PROPERTY WITH THE SCREENING, YOU'RE OBSCURING THAT PLAY OF MATERIALS AND WEIGHT AND LIGHTNESS.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MAYBE A DIFFERENT PLACE.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S HARD BECAUSE YOU WANNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE WALKING ON THE SIDE.
IF YOU WERE TO REDUCE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE SCREENING,
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UH, AGAIN, IT'S HARD, IT'S HARD WITH YOUR RENDERINGS THE WAY YOU, WHAT YOU'VE SEEN, SARAH, I, I HAVE ONE IDEA, OR UHHUH, BECAUSE I I AGREE WITH YOU.THE ROOF LINE IS THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AND CREATING A CHANNEL INTERACTION SORT OF CREATES THAT SEPARATION AND JUST SORT OF, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
IT SORT OF DISCONNECTS A LITTLE BIT.
AND I DON'T KNOW, THIS MAY BE AN IDEA, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
AND I'M GOING OFF OF YOUR IDEA ABOUT THE, THE DRESS AND THE DRAPING AND, AND SEEING A NECKLINE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THE CONNECTION TO THE, THE ROOF HAD IT, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE, HAD HAD SOME MOVEMENT, SO IT WASN'T JUST THE CHANNEL THAT WRAPS THE AND CONNECTED TO THE CONCRETE AND MAYBE THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF MORE SPACE WOULD ADDRESS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND, AND REMOVING IT A LITTLE BIT FROM THE, THE LID SO THAT THE ROOF LINES STAY ON THE ROOF LINE, THE, THE, THE UP, JUST THE UPPER CANOPY WHERE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE.
AND THEN I KNOW THAT LIKE THE GRAZER LIGHT, WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY BE IN THERE.
THAT'S JUST A IDEA WHEN YOU WERE HERE SPEAKING ABOUT THAT CAN BRING UP YOUR, CAN YOU BRING UP THE NIGHT PICTURE? YEAH, WE HAVE THAT UP.
AND I, I, I THINK UNFORTUNATELY MS. GIL, AS YOU INDICATED EARLIER, THE RENDERINGS KIND OF ARE DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT.
I THINK IN ONE OF THE, UH, ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKAGE WHERE WE ACTUALLY SEPARATE AT THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM SCREENS, IT'S EASIER TO SEE THAT THAT TOP SCREEN THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE OVERHANG IS SET BACK MUCH MORE THAN THE GROUND SPEED.
DO YOU HAVE LIKE, HOW MANY, IS IT FIVE FEET, 10 FEET? IT'S ON THAT PLAN? YEAH, IT'S ON THE PLAN ITSELF.
OH, AGAIN, SO IT IS, IT IS SET BACK MUCH MORE THAN THE GROUND ONE.
IT'S JUST THE RENDERING WITH THE LIGHTING, IT'S DIFFICULT TO READ IT THAT WAY, BUT IT IS SUBSTANTIALLY SET BACK.
SO YOU SEE THE OVERHANG AND THEN THE VEIL IN THE BACK.
AND THE COMMENT MADE BY, I WAS GONNA SAY SARAH, I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO EXPRESS THAT HORIZONTAL LINE THAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'RE ACTUALLY PRESERVING IT, SETTING IT RIGHT BACK.
SO YOU ACTUALLY, YOU CAN SEE IT HERE, RIGHT? YEP.
SO LEAVING THIS EDGE HERE, WE'RE NOT BRINGING THE VEIL TO THE EDGE OF IT.
IT'S LIKE A PIECE OF SCULPTURE SET INSIDE OF IT, RIGHT? BECAUSE I MEAN, IT WAS THE, THIS JOINT OR WAIT, GONNA GO BACK, RIGHT? SO THAT, THAT'S I THINK WHEN WE HAVE THE CONCERN OF HOW IS THIS ATTACHED? 'CAUSE THAT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S LAYERS.
WHAT YOU'RE READING IS THE SCREEN.
'CAUSE IT IS SET FURTHER BACK.
IT IS ON THE PLANE FURTHER BACK.
THESE RENDERINGS ARE ACTUALLY REALLY VERY ACCURATE.
LIKE THE LINES THAT YOU'RE READING FOR THE LIGHTS ARE HOT, ARE AGAINST THE, THE CONCRETE.
SO YOU CAN START TO SEE THAT IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE DRAPING DOWN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THEY'RE HOT AGAINST THE THING.
SO THEY'RE WAY BACK IN THE SPACE.
AND YOU'LL SEE HERE, RIGHT, HOW FAR BACK THEY ARE.
AND THEN YOU READ THE LINES SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THROUGH THE SCREEN TO THE LINE OF THE LIGHT.
SO THERE LIKE, SO THE BOTTOM IS LOWER THAN, DOESN'T EVEN TOUCH THE SEAT OF THE ROOF.
AND THEN ONLY THE BACK ONE'S LIKE CHANDELIER, THE BLUE LINES THAT TOUCH THE ROOF.
SO THIS IS THE EDGE, THIS IS THE BOTTOM MASSIVE GAP.
AND THEN ONLY ON THE INSIDE THERE, THAT LIGHT FIXTURE, RIGHT, I SEE IT.
AND THE INSIDE ONE IS, IS EVEN FURTHER BACK CORRECT.
SO THIS IS, AND LEAVING MORE OF THE ROOF, UM, SLAB, CORRECT, VISIBLE, CORRECT.
THIS IS NOT TOUCHING, THIS IS NOT TOUCHING.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE, ON THE PLAN.
MAYBE YOU SHOULD START LIKE THAT.
SO LAYER ONE HERE, LAYER TWO HERE, AND ALL SCREENS BACK.
AND THIS IS ALL THE CONCRETE ROOF LINE IS RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT BLUE LINE IS THE, THIS DOESN'T, YOU CAN SEE THE SETBACK ON THE, OF HOW FAR BACK IT IS ON THE, THE YELLOW ON THE BOTTOM IS THE, THE YELLOW CORRECT.
I APOLOGIZE IF THAT WASN'T CLEAR DURING OUR PRESENTATION.
IT DOES, IT'S, IT'S THAT 3D ILLUSION OF THE EYE, BUT IT IS, YOU SEE IT HERE.
I HOPE THAT ANSWERED QUESTIONS.
YEAH, I MEAN, AGAIN, I STILL HAVE THE RESERVATION THAT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN FOR THIS SCREEN.
AND FOR THAT I THINK WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA HOLD 'EM INTO THIS DESIGN.
SO IT'S GONNA BE HAVE TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S PRESENTED TODAY.
I THINK THAT THE BOARD WANTS TO INCLUDE A CONDITION LIKE HAS BEEN SUGGESTED THAT IF REQUIRED THEY CAN PROVIDE A DENSER SCREENING ALONG THE LOWER PORTION IF NEEDED.
WE CAN HAVE THAT CONDITION ABSOLUTELY.
BUT THE DESIGN WILL BE SUBSTANTIALLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S SHOWN TO YOU TODAY.
I THINK THAT REQUIRING A DENSER OR MORE GAUGE, IT, IT'S REALLY GONNA BE BETWEEN THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AS TO WHAT WILL SUSTAIN THE WINDS AND THE HURRICANES.
AND I, I, I THINK WE'RE GETTING OUT OF OUR AREA.
WE'RE GONNA, I THINK WE CAN, WE COULD JUST SAY IN
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REQUIRED, SO THAT WAY WE DON'T WANNA SAY THAT, THAT THEY COME BACK WITH A STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING.SO WE, OKAY, WE HAVE TO BEEF UP THE LACE ALONG THE BOTTOM.
AS LONG AS WE HAVE A CONDITION THAT SAYS IF REQUIRED, THEN WE CAN APPROVE THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY.
WELL, BUT ALSO MY CONCERN, AND WE'VE HAD OTHER, A LOT OF THE PARKING GARAGES THAT HAVE THE SCREENING, TYPICALLY AT THE DRB, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AND WE DO IT IS A, USUALLY, I ASSUMED IT WAS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AN EXACT DRAWING OF THE SCREEN.
AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE REVIEW, CONSIDERING THIS IS THE MAIN PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
AND THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NOTHING FIRM.
THIS IS, THIS IS OUR PROPOSED DRAWING, EXACT DRAWING.
THE ONLY THING I SAID BEFORE THAT THIS WAS JUST A CONCEPT.
UNTIL IT GOES TO ENGINEERING, IT GETS APPROVED.
RIGHT? SO IF ENGINEERING SAYS NO, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT, WELL, I WOULD SAY IF THIS GOES TO ENGINEERING AND THEY HAVE TO LIKE DOUBLE THE SIZE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S WOULD, WE'RE NOT GONNA ACCEPT THAT MY CONCERN IS NOT IN ENGINEERING, IT'S THE THICKNESS.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE THICKNESS OF THE PLATES ITSELF.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE OPENING.
WHAT WILL DESIGN LOOK LIKE? RIGHT? NOT EVEN THE OPENNESS.
WHAT WILL THIS LOOK LIKE THAT'S COMPLETELY WRAPPING THIS ENORMOUS PROPERTY? WHAT WILL THAT LOOK LIKE? IF YOU SAY, YEAH, I'M GONNA COMMIT TO WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED HERE, THEN WE'RE GONNA HOLD YOU TO THAT.
AND IN ORDER TO GET THE APPROVAL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE IT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THIS, WHICH IS WHAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST.
WHAT HAS ALSO HAPPENED IS PEOPLE HAVE COME AND SAID, OH YEAH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT IT IS AND THIS IS THE PALLET AND THIS IS THIS.
AND THEN THEY BUILD THE BUILDING AND IT'S DIFFERENT.
AND SO WE'RE JUST SORT OF, YOU KNOW, IT DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THE APPLICANTS IS SAYING IS GONNA BE BUILT, WILL INDEED BE BUILT SO THAT WE KNOW, OKAY, THIS IS INTERACTING WELL, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS SUCCESSFUL.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE MAIN, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
YOU'RE PROPOSING A SCREEN, THIS IS WHAT YOU APPLICATION IS ABOUT.
SO I THINK WHAT PLANNING, IF WE COULD HAVE CJ PULLED UP WITH WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR SCREEN, AND I WASN'T SPEAKING ABOUT THE GAUGE WHEN I SAID THE DESIGN FROM ENGINEERING.
IF YOU SEE THERE'S SOME VERY THIN LINES THAT HOLD THE, THE MORE DECORATIVE PORTIONS TOGETHER.
IF ENGINEERING CAME BACK AND SAID, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DOUBLE THOSE LINES, OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE LESS OF THEM.
THAT'S WHERE I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CHANGE IN DESIGN, NOT NECESSARILY GAUGE.
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID, AND WE ARE COMMITTING THAT THIS IS OUR DESIGN.
THE ONLY CHANGE WOULD BE, AS I SAID, IF ENGINEERING CAME BACK AND SAID WE NEED MORE SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, UH, SYSTEMS IN BETWEEN THE, THE DECORATIVE, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT WITH RESPECT TO CHANGES IN THE DESIGN.
FOR AND FOR A FEELING OF COMFORT.
I THINK WHAT MICHAEL BEHA IS SAYING IS THAT IF THIS CONCEPT OF THE VEIL OF THE LACE CHANGES, UM, THEY WILL NOT BE APPROVING IT AND IT WILL COME BACK, OR IF THEY FEEL THAT IT'S OKAY, BUT THAT THIS BOARD NEEDS TO SEE IT AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S A MAJOR CHANGE, THEN THEY WILL BRING IT BACK TO THIS BOARD.
SO IF THE SHOP DRAWINGS DON'T MATCH PER THE STAFF'S NOT ACCEPTING 'EM, THEN WE CAN DO A REVIEW OF THEM.
HOW DOES THAT WORK, MICHAEL? WELL INCLUDE A CONDITIONING SAYING THAT DESIGN PRESENTED FOR THE SCREENING SHALL BE SUBSTANTIALLY CONSISTENT WITH THAT PRESENTED TO THE BOARD.
I CAN MAKE A MOTION AND TRY TO, I THINK, I THINK, UH, SCOTT MADE THE MOTION ALREADY.
WOULD YOU WANNA ADD THAT, UM, SCOTT, YOU WANNA ADD WITH THAT MOTION, THAT PROVISION, AND I'M SORRY, WOULD THAT MOTION INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF, UM, CONDITIONS D ONE C? YEAH, I WAS OKAY WITH THE NO FOUNTAIN AND I WAS OKAY WITH, UM, WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? OKAY, SO REMOVAL, ALL THOSE THREE.
WAIT, CAN YOU SAY THE, SO IT WAS REMOVAL OF THE FOUNTAIN, C, D, AND E ON THE ORDER, RIGHT? ONE CD AND E.
THE LAST ONE E IS TO RELATED TO THE TRANSPARENCY THAT YOU DISCUSSED BEFORE.
SO YEAH, I WAS FINE WITH, I WAS FINE WITH THE TRANSPARENCY ISSUE AND ESPECIALLY THE GAPS THEY LEFT AND THE SETBACK OF THE TOP ONE.
I THINK THAT IT GIVES ENOUGH TRANSPARENCY BASED ON THAT YOU DON'T SEE IN THE BUILDING ANYWAYS AS IT IS.
AND YEAH, I, I, THAT WAS MY MOTION.
OKAY, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION SECOND BY, UM, MS. OLI.
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SHOULD WE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.WE ARE GOING ON AIR IN 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
WELCOME BACK TO THE DRB MEETING, UH, ON MAY.
[4. DRB25-1081, 1820 BAY ROAD ]
ON TO OUR NEXT PROJECT, DRB 25 DASH 1 0 81 18 20 BAY ROAD.AND THIS IS, UM, A LITTLE BIT SIMILAR TO THE LAST APPLICATION.
IT'S ANOTHER SCREEN, IRONICALLY, ON THE SAME AGENDA RIGHT AFTER, RIGHT AFTER ANOTHER ONE.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS DRB 25 DASH 180 1 FOR 1820 NORTH BAY ROAD.
AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL FOR THE RENOVATION OF AN EXISTING ONCE RATE COMMERCIAL BUILDING, INCLUDING THE RENOVATION OF FRONT FACADE AND INSTALLATION OF A SCREEN LOCATED AT THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, INCLUDING, UM, A WAIVER FOR THE FRONTAGE STANDARDS SIMILAR TO THE, THE LAST APPLICATION.
UM, AS INDICATED IN OUR STAFF REPORT, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING A NEW, UM, 10 FOOT PRIVACY SCREEN WITH AN ENTRANCE OPENING ALONG THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS COMPRISED OF A STEEL GRID STRUCTURE WITHIN WHICH FOUR ROWS OF TERRACOTTA LOUVERS ROTATE MANUALLY.
THE INCORPORATION OF THE SCREEN CREATES AN ENTRY COURTYARD BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE BUILDING WITH THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSED, UM, TO LOCATE OUTDOOR FURNITURE AND LANDSCAPE PLANNERS.
UH, WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE DESIGN AND JUST RECOMMENDING SOME ADDITIONAL A, UM, ARTICULATION ALONG THE BLANK PORTION OF THE FRONT WALL.
IN ADDITION TO THE DESIGN OF THE FRONT FACE.
SETTLEMENT INNOVATIONS, THIS APPLICATION INCLUDES A WAIVER PERTAINING TO THE REQUIRED, UH, CLEAR PEDESTRIAN PATH IN THE SUNSET HARBOR.
A MINIMUM OF 10 FEET IS REQUIRED, WHICH CAN BE REDUCED TO AT LEAST NO MORE THAN, UH, AT LEAST FIVE FEET.
THE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN PROVIDES A CLEAR PEDESTRIAN PATH OF SEVEN SIX INCHES WITHIN A OVERALL SIDEWALK, SIDEWALK OF 15 FOOT SEVEN INCHES, WHICH INCORPORATES, UM, PLANTERS WITH EXISTING TREES, UM, BASED UPON THE EXISTING, UM, PEDESTRIAN PATH OF SEVEN, OF SIX FOOT, SIX INCHES CLEAR.
UM, IT'S NOT LESS THAN WHAT'S PROPOSED.
UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION, INCLUDING A, UM, THE WAIVER FOR THE CLEAR PEDESTRIAN PATH IS PROPOSED.
WITH THAT, I'LL TURN OVER TO THE APPLICANT.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR THE, THE PRESENTATION.
MICHAEL, WHILE THE APPLICANT IS COMING UP, CAN I JUST ASK YOU, WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT ON THE PEDESTRIAN PATH AND WHAT ARE THEY? UM, THE DB CAN GRANT A PEDESTRIAN PATH IS OF AT LEAST FIVE FEET.
UM, THE REQUIREMENT IS 10 WITHOUT A WAIVER.
WE'RE ASKING FOR A WAIVER TO GO, UM, BELOW 10, BUT THEY'RE PROVIDING, I THINK IT'S, UH, SEVEN FOOT, SIX INCHES.
I'M GONNA ASK WHETHER WO BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE.
UM, BEFORE YOU GUYS PROCEED, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE PARTIES WHO WILL BE TESTIFYING, REPRESENTING TODAY HAVE BEEN SWORN IN EARLIER, OR NO? NO, I BELIEVE NOT.
I'LL, I'LL JUST DO THAT REALLY QUICKLY.
UM, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT, THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'LL BE GIVING US PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.
GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE THOMAS SIP, UH, IN REPRESENTATION OF OUR CLIENT.
AND, UH, WE'RE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR A REMODELING OF AN EXISTING BUILDING.
UH, THE BUILDING IS LOCATING LOCATED AT A 1820 BAY ROAD.
IT'S WITHIN THE SUNSET, UH, HARPER NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND IT'S PART OF THE CD TWO MEDIUM INTENSITY COMMERCIAL ZONING.
UH, IT'S AN EXISTING ONE STORY BUILDING.
UM, IT ORIGINALLY DATES FROM 1938, AND IT HAS S SUFFERED SEVERAL MODIFICATIONS THROUGH THE YEARS, UH, LOSING ITS ORIGINAL CHARACTER.
UM, AS PART OF THE DESIGN INTERVENTIONS, WE ARE PROPOSING MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING FACADE.
WE ARE PROPOSING THE ADDITION OF
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A PERMEABLE PRIVACY SCREEN, UM, WITHIN THE, AT THE PROPERTY LINE.AND WE ARE PROPOSING, UM, SIDE INTERVENTION SIDE WORK, UM, ESPECIALLY AT THE FRONT YARD.
UH, AND LAST, WE'RE SEEKING A WAIVER LIKE, UH, STAFF MENTIONED.
AND NOW I'M GONNA LET THOMAS, UH, PRESENT THE PROJECT IN DETAIL.
SO IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY, LEMME GO THROUGH THE
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE, THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WITHIN THE SUNSET HARBOR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, IT'S KIND OF RIGHT AT THE CENTER, UM, WHERE OUR OFFICE IS ACTUALLY LOCATED RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
SO WE ARE THE DIRECT NEIGHBOR TO THIS PROPERTY.
UM, UH, THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE HOW THE, THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY IS, UM, IN THE FRONT YARD AREA.
IT IS A MUCH LOWER, UH, AREA THAN THE SIDEWALK.
UM, SO OUR PART OF OUR PLAN IS TO RAISE THAT AREA TO INCORPORATE AND MAKE IT AT THE SAME ELEVATION AS THE, AS THE SIDEWALK.
UM, AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THE EXISTING OVERHANGS THAT ARE PART OF THE 1970 ALTERATION THAT WAS DONE.
UM, THERE IS NONE OF THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE THIRTIES BUILDING, UH, LEFT IN THIS PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE REALLY, UH, BRINGING IMPROVEMENT AND, UM, VERY HIGH-END MATERIALITY TO THE FACADE, WHICH I FEEL IS VERY IN LINE WITH THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU CAN SEE HERE ALL OF THE, UH, SIDE YARDS OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE'RE ALSO BRINGING LANDSCAPE TO THESE AREAS, AND THEY'RE MEANT TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS OF THE, OF THE ACTUAL USE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UH, ACTUAL USE OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
THIS IS MEANT TO BE A PRIVATE WELLNESS CLUB, UM, IN WHICH MEMBERS, UM, CAN BECOME, UH, YOU KNOW, IN INTEGRATED WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY OF, OF THIS SPECIFIC BUSINESS.
AND, UM, GO THROUGH TREATMENTS INSIDE THE SPACE.
UH, WE'RE DEDICATING A LARGE PORTION OF THE, UM, WE'RE DEDICATING A LARGE PORTION OF THE ACTUAL, UH, INTERIOR LOUNGE SPACE TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, THIS IS PART OF OUR, UM, CONCEPT TO REALLY GIVE BACK TO THE STREET AND CREATE A LARGE COMMUNITY SPACE.
UM, AND, UH, SO THE CONCEPT IS TO CREATE THIS NEW FACADE.
WE'RE CREATING NEW OPENINGS, UM, IN EXPANDING THE EXISTING ONES AND CREATING OPENINGS WITHIN IT.
UM, AND ALSO CREATING THIS PRIVACY SCREEN, WHICH IS MEANT TO REALLY, UM, SHIELD PART OF THE IN INTERIOR USE OF THE, OF THIS FRONT YARD, WHILE ALSO CREATING SOME CONNECTION, VISUAL CONNECTION BETWEEN THE, UM, BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE, AND THE ACTUAL SPACE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, WHAT OUR PROPOSED MATERIALITY IS AND THE FACADE AND THE, THE RENDERINGS WE HAVE PREPARED.
UM, WE ACTUALLY BROUGHT, UM, SAMPLES HERE.
THE CONCEPT FOR THE FACADE IS, IS UTILIZING TERRACOTTA, UM, TILES, WHICH ARE GLAZED AND HAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TONES WITHIN THIS, UH, COLORATION, WHILE ALSO BRINGING IN THE TERRACOTTA WITHIN THE PRIVACY SCREEN.
UM, WE ARE SEEKING A WAIVER, UH, FOR, UM, AS MENTIONED BY, UH, MICHAEL, UM, WHICH AGAIN, THIS, THE SIDEWALK WIDTH IS WHAT IT IS, AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE, UM, THE ABILITY TO EXTEND IT BEYOND WHAT THE 50 FOOT FRONTAGE OF OUR PROPERTY.
SO, UM, WE REQUEST THAT THE, UM, THE CURRENT SITUATION BE MAINTAINED.
WE'RE ACTUALLY EXTENDING IT, UH, BY ABOUT A FOOT.
UM, WHICH WAS, IS BECAUSE THERE IS A, A SLIGHT DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINES OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND OURS.
UM, WE ARE, WE'RE ACTUALLY GIVING THAT BACK TO THE SIDEWALK AND IMPROVING THE CURRENT SITUATION.
YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, AN AXONOMETRIC OF WHAT OUR PROPOSAL IS.
UM, PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FACADE INCLUDE AN OVERHANG, UM, AND PLANTERS ALONG THE TOP OF THE BUILDING AND ALONG THE CANOPY THAT EXTENDS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE OPENING, WHILE PROVIDING SHADING ALSO FOR THE INTERIOR.
UM, THE IDEA IS THAT WE ARE SIMPLIFYING THE FACADE AND ALLOWING THE, UM, VEGETATION TO KIND OF DRAPE OVER OUR PROPOSED FACADE AND CREATE A LAYERING EFFECT BETWEEN BOTH THE PRIVACY SCREEN, THE ACTUAL FACADE, AND ALSO THE VEGETATION.
UM, SO, UH, WITH THIS, I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UH, EXPLAINED, I BELIEVE
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THE, THE PROJECT.UM, SO WE'RE OPENING OURSELVES UP TO QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AND FROM THE UM, MEMBERS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK? GOOD MORNING.
SARAH DERE, CENTRAL HARBOR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
WE'VE MET WITH THE, WITH THE PRINCIPAL AND THE DESIGNERS, AND, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION APPROVES THIS, THIS, THIS, UH, THE COVERING THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA PUT THERE IS GONNA ENHANCE THE, THAT, THAT BUILDING, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS JUST A BUILDING THAT REALLY IS NOT REALLY THAT GREAT, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK VERY, VERY NICE.
ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK? ANYONE ONLINE? THERE IS NOBODY ONLINE WITH THEIR HAND RAISED.
I'M NOW CLOSING THE PUBLIC PORTION, OPENING UP TO THE BOARD FOR COMMENT.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN? OKAY, GO FOR IT.
APOLOGIES IF YOU'VE ALREADY, IF YOU ALREADY SAID THIS ALREADY, BUT THOSE SLATS ON THIS, THE, UH, WALL, IS IT WOOD? NO, THEY'RE TERRACOTTA.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE TILES THAT YOU HAVE, CORRECT.
THAT YOU SAY ARE GLAZED IN DIFFERENT TONES? YES, THEY ARE.
THE ACTUAL SHAPE OF THE TILES WILL VARY.
THE ONES APPLIED IN THE FACADE WILL HAVE A, LIKE A RECTANGULAR SHAPE WHILE AS THE ONES ON THE ACTUAL PRIVACY SCREEN ARE MUCH LONGER AND TALLER, ABOUT TWO FEET AND A HALF IN HEIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH, I THINK THERE'S A, A HOW THE, WHERE THOSE MATERIALS ARE GONNA GO AND HOW THEY'RE PART OF THE DESIGN.
I KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A, A MICROPHONE THAT YOU CAN TAKE WITH YOU.
UM, IF YOU WANNA GO OVER, IS THIS WORKING? OKAY, PERFECT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE MATERIALS HERE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE GLASS, UM, WE'VE ALREADY, UH, SPECKED THE GLASS WITH REP ENGINEER FOR THE ENERGY CALCULATION.
SO THIS IS THE CLARITY AND TRANSPARENCY OF THE GLASS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
UM, WE REALLY PREFER TO HAVE MORE TRANSPARENCY TO RETAIN THIS COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE INTERIOR OF THE LOUNGE SPACE, THE EXTERIOR, UM, FRONT YARD SPACE AND THE STREET.
UM, WE ARE GOING WITH A DARK ESPRESSO COLOR FOR THE FRAMES, UM, AND ALSO, UH, RELATING TO THE OVERALL CANOPY, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE.
WE ALSO PREPARE THIS RENDERING WITHOUT THE PRIVACY SCREEN, SO YOU COULD SEE BOTH FACADES MORE, UH, WITH MORE CLARITY.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT WE HAVE THIS OVERHANGING CANOPY WITH A PLANTER, UM, IN THE SAME DARK METAL, UM, AND THE, THE TERRACOTTA ALL, ALL ALONG THE FACADE.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, AN ACTUAL RAY SILL FOR THIS, UM, WINDOW SYSTEM, WHICH CAN ACTUALLY FUNCTION AS A SEATING BOTH FOR THE INSIDE AND THE OUTSIDE.
SO IT'S ALSO GONNA BE ACTIVATED IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL OPENING.
SO MEMBERS CAN SIT BOTH ON THE INSIDE AND ON THE OUTSIDE, UH, ON THE SILL, UM, WHICH IS GONNA BE COVERED IN MICRO CEMENT.
UM, AND THEN ON THE ACTUAL SCREEN WE HAVE THE TERRACOTTA TILES IN A VARIETY OF SHADES WITHIN THIS RANGE.
AND THE VARIATION OF, SO, AND THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE WOULD BE IN THE DARK METAL AS WELL.
CAN YOU, OH, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE LOGO, WHICH WILL BE, UM, IN A, WITH, IN A METAL CUTOFF WITH A STANDOFF AND LED BEHIND IT, WHICH YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE.
WHERE, WHERE IS, I'M SORRY, THE, THE LOGO.
THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL, THANK YOU.
OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, THOMAS, THE SCREEN TILES, YOU SAID TWO FEET AND THAT THEY'RE OPERABLE? YES.
THE IDEA IS THAT, UM, THEY ARE THREADED BY A METAL ROD, UM, AND THAT THEY CAN BE TURNED.
WE ARE STILL COORDINATING WITH THE COMPANY, UH, THAT PRODUCES THE TERRACOTTA TILES TO PRODUCE A TILE THAT WILL WORK SUFFICIENTLY AND BE RESISTANT TO, TO THIS, UH, SPECIFIC, UH, FEATURE.
SO IT'LL BE A SOLID GLAZED TERRACOTTA PIECE WITH A HOLE IN IT THAT WILL YES.
GET THREADED THROUGH AND THEN HAVE SOME RESISTANCE SO THEY'RE NOT SPINNING IN THE WIND.
YES, WE ALREADY HAVE ENGAGED THE, UM, STRUCTURAL ENGINEER THAT'S PRODUCING, UH, ENGINEERING DRAWINGS FOR THIS SPECIFIC, UM, PROPHECY SCREEN.
SO WE ARE CONSIDERING THE WIND LOADS AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND STRUCTURALLY THIS WILL BE A SOUND, UH, SCREEN.
AND ARE YOU DOING, ARE THEY MORE FIXED FACING THE, THE CAFE NEXT DOOR, LIKE ON THE, ON THE RETURN CORNER, OR ARE THEY
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KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE THAT CORNER VISIBILITY.ONE THING THAT'S, UM, IMPORTANT TO RE REMARK IS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TURNING BACK ON THE TERRACOTTA ON THE FACADE, SO THAT THERE IS NO EXPOSED STUCCO PORTION OF THE FACADE.
THE ENTIRE VISIBLE FACADE IS COVERED WITH THE MATERIAL.
UM, AND THEY'RE STILL MOVABLE, FACING CARE AT EXPRESS.
YOU DIDN'T WANT TO SORT OF MAKE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE OR LESS PERMEABLE SO THAT YOU HAD A LITTLE MORE PRIVACY ON THAT SIDE? UM, WE DON'T REALLY THINK PRIVACY ITSELF IS SO RELEVANT.
WE JUST WANT TO CREATE A SLIGHT BARRIER.
WE DON'T WANT TO FULLY BLOCK THE VISIBILITY.
I THINK HAVING VISIBILITY EVEN ON THE SPECIFIC CORNER IS IMPORTANT FOR THE CONCEPT, UH, SO THAT YOU CAN MAINTAIN, BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE FOOT TRAFFIC, UM, EXPOSES THE BUILDING COMING, UM, SOUTH ON, ON BAY ROAD ACTUALLY COMING FROM WHERE OUR OFFICE IS.
AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF VISIBILITY AND WE WANT TO RETAIN SOME OF THAT.
UM, I KNOW THE BUILDING AND IT CURRENTLY, AND IT'S, THIS IS A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT AND I THINK YOUR PRESENTATION WAS REALLY NICE WITH PHYSICAL MATERIALS AND THE RENDERINGS AND I DON'T KNOW, I THINK IT'LL BE A NICE THANK YOU.
REALLY APPRECIATE ADDITION TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE WANNA COMMENT? YEAH, MYRA, UM, I KNOW CARROT EXPRESS, UM, WHICH IS A NEIGHBOR, UM, THEY'RE, UM, THEY HAVE THE TABLES AND CHAIRS OUTSIDE WITHIN THEIR PROPERTY LINE, BUT THEY, IT'S OPENED, IT DOESN'T HAVE A WALL, UH, OR ANY KIND OF, I DON'T WANNA CALL IT A, A THRILL WALL, I GUESS IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT, IT'S JUST OPEN, WHICH MAKES IT MORE OPENED, MAKES THE STREET APPEAR WIDER THAN IT ACTUALLY, UH, IS.
WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION AND NOT GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE IN THE FRONTAGE OF THIS, UH, THROW WALL AND TAKING IT BACK, CREATING MAYBE A DIFFERENT FACADE WHERE THE FACADE ENDS, RIGHT, OR WHERE IT BEGINS RIGHT NOW? UM, SO PART OF THE CONSIDERATION DURING THE DESIGN WAS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAXIMIZE THE ACTUAL USABLE SPACE THAT IS FOR THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN AN EXTERIOR LAUNCH.
THE CURRENT SETBACK OF THE EXISTING BUILDING IS NOT SUFFICIENT IF WE WERE TO PUSH THAT PRIVACY SCREEN FURTHER INTO THE PROPERTY.
UM, ANOTHER CONSIDERATION THAT WAS MADE WAS A CONTINUATION OF THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING TO THE SOUTH, UM, WHICH IS, WHICH TERMINATES AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, THE ACTUAL ONLY BUILDING WITHIN THE IMMEDIACY OF THE PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE IS WHERE OUR OFFICE IS LOCATED, UH, 1828 BAY ROAD.
UM, AND WE JUST THOUGHT THAT IN FOR MULTIPLE REASONS, INCLUDING, UH, MAXIMIZING THE ACTUAL USABLE SPACE FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE PROPERTY AND RETAINING THE CONSISTENCY OF THE FACADE BASED ON THE BUILDING ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, IT MADE SENSE TO CONTINUE THAT FACADE LINE.
SO WHAT IS THE, UM, MICHAEL, I GUESS THE EXISTING FRA RIGHT NOW IS 2204.
THEY'RE PERMITTED AT 56, 25 SQUARE FEET.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT INCREASING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
YEAH, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT MODIFYING THAT.
SO THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THAT, BUT THAT LOT IS LIKE 60 BY 75 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? UM, THE LOT IS ACTUALLY 50 BY, YEAH, 50 BY 75.
SO YOU WANNA INCREASE THE FRONTAGE TO THE PROPERTY LINE BY PUTTING IN THE THRILL WALL AND WHAT WILL BE BETWEEN THE ACTUAL BUILDING AND THE THRILL WALL.
UH, WE'RE UTILIZE UTILIZING THAT SPACE AS AN EXTERIOR LOUNGE FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE CLUB.
SO THERE WILL BE FURNITURE LANDSCAPE, UH, THIS WILL BE A, UH, WHAT KIND OF CLUB? IT IS A PRIVATE MEMBERS WELLNESS CLUB.
UM, SO BASICALLY YOU COME IN TO DO TREATMENTS LIKE HYPERBARIC CHAMBER.
UM, YOU COME TO, THERE'S A INFRARED BED.
UM, THERE'S A COLD PLUNGE, UH, INFRARED SAUNA.
DO YOU HAVE MORE, JUST BECAUSE I WAS GONNA BUILD UPON YOUR COMMENT.
MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT THESE ROADS IN THE, UM, IN THIS DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE, UM, THIS COMMERCIAL AND, UH, MULTI-FAMILY AREA, THE STREETS ARE, ARE NARROW, ESPECIALLY THERE IN BAY ROAD AND BRINGING THE, THE THROW WALL ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE JUST MAKES IT MORE CLOSED IN.
UM, SO I, I JUST WOULD HAVE PREFERRED SOMETHING LEFT, UM, FURTHER BACK.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT TO MAXIMIZE
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THE AREA, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO MAXIMIZE, YOU KNOW, THE LOOK OF THE STREET.UM, SO THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
UM, I WOULD, OR LET ME IF I COULD, UM, OR I MEAN IF, DO YOU WANNA RESPOND? SURE.
UM, ACTUALLY WE ARE TRYING TO RETAIN, WE'RE ACTUALLY RETAINING THE EXISTING CONDITION BECAUSE THAT IS NOT USABLE WALKWAY.
UH, THERE'S NOT PART OF THE SIDEWALK AND IT'S ACTUALLY A LOWER AREA CURRENTLY, SO YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY ABLE TO STEP ON THAT IN THAT AREA.
SO YOU DON'T REALLY EXTEND OR EXPAND UPON THE SIDEWALK.
SO, UM, WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT HAVING THAT AREA BEING USED IS TO THE BENEFIT OF THE STREET BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY CREATE SOME DIVERSITY AND INTEREST WITHIN THAT SPACE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE, AND, AND ALSO IT'S NOT AS EXPOSED AS IN CARROT EXPRESS IN WHICH THE, THE TERRACE IS KIND OF FULLY OPEN.
UM, IT GENERATES, YOU KNOW, SOME CONNECTION VISUALLY BETWEEN THE PASSERBYS ON THE, ON THE ACTUAL SIDEWALK AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE LOUNGE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE PEOPLE, UM, YOU'RE GONNA SEE CONNECTION.
UH, THE IDEA IS THAT IT IS VERY MUCH OPEN, SO YOU CAN LITERALLY TURN THE LOUVERS KIND OF LIKE VERTICALLY AND HAVE KIND OF LIKE, ALMOST LIKE A PERFECT, UH, VISUAL BETWEEN THE TWO SPACES.
SO WE WANTED TO RETAIN THIS PERMEABILITY, UH, WHILE ALSO CREATING, UH, AN ELEMENT OF INTEREST BECAUSE CURRENTLY THE FACADE, AND I THINK THIS WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH, UM, WITH ROGELIO AND ALEJANDRO DURING THE, THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT WAS THAT THE FACADE WAS TOO FLAT, UM, AND IT WASN'T REALLY CREATING ENOUGH INTEREST FOR THE STREET.
UM, SO IT WAS PART OF THE INTENTION SINCE WE WERE REMOVING THOSE REALLY UGLY OVERHANGS THAT WERE PART OF THE 1970 EDITION, THAT WE CREATE SOMETHING ELSE TO GENERATE INTEREST AND, UM, MAKE THE FACADE MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
AND, AND IN DOING SO, UM, YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT THE SPACE BETWEEN THE BUILDING ITSELF AND THE THROW WALL IS LOWER IN ELEVATION THAT IS PART OF THE PROPERTY OWNED? YEAH, CURRENTLY IT CAN BE BROUGHT UP CORRECT TO THE HEIGHT OF THE SIDEWALK AT LEAST, UM, UM, SO THAT IT ISN'T LOWER IN ELEVATION.
SO THAT COULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF IN THAT MANNER.
AND THE FACADE COULD HAVE BEEN CHANGED WITHOUT CREATING THE THRILL WALL, BUT CREATING A DESIGN IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ITSELF AND THEN DOING SOME SORT OF, UM, A WALL BUT NOT NECESSARILY ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING.
UM, CREATING A WALL JUST TO CREATE A SEPARATE SPACE FOR LOUNGING AND KEEPING IT OPEN.
THAT, THAT WAS JUST MY THOUGHT.
UM, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE OTHER PROPERTIES WITHIN THE INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT HAVE MOVED BACK, UM, OR HAVE KEPT THE FRONT SIDE, UH, FRONT SETBACK THAT'S REQUIRED AND THEN OTHERS HAVE NOT LIKE THE PROPERTY OWNED BY THE SAME COMPANY OR LLC, UM, TO THE SOUTH, THE BUILDING.
UM, I WOULD SAY TOO, TO PIGGYBACK ONTO THAT, WHEN I FIRST WENT INTO THIS, TO VIEWING THE PROJECT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THIS BUILDING HAS ALWAYS BEEN AWKWARD, I SEE TO SAY THE LEAST.
AND 'CAUSE IT IS SET BACK, IT'S LOWER.
THERE IS ALL OF THESE ELEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY THAT AREN'T COMPATIBLE WITH ITS NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND I REMEMBER, UM, ONE OF THE CONCEPTS THAT WHEN I WAS STUDYING URBAN PLANNING, AND CERTAINLY STAFF CAN, YOU KNOW, TALK, TALK TO THIS POINT, THAT IN ORDER TO CREATE A SORT OF HARMONIC STREET SCAPE TO HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THE PROPERTY LINES AT THE SAME PLANE.
AND SO, BUT THIS BLOCK HAS ALWAYS BEEN AWKWARD, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THIS BUILDING, BUT THEN ALSO THE BUILDING THAT YOU'RE IN IS ALSO SET BACK AND THEY'RE THE ONLY TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE, AND ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, AT THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK.
AND SO I HAD THAT IN MIND AS I WAS VIEWING THIS WHEN I WENT TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY.
AND I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE CHOICES THAT YOU MADE BOTH TO RAISE IT, UM, TO STREET LEVEL AND TO CREATE THIS PRIVACY WALL ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND NOW AT THIS POINT IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING THAT YOU'RE IN IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S SET BACK.
UM, THEY DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF MAINTAINING ALL OF THE GREENERY AND EVERYTHING.
BUT NOW THERE'S JUST THIS ONE-OFF, WHICH IN GOING BACK AND FORTH IN MY MIND OF, YOU KNOW, FOR PREPARATION FOR THIS, WHICH IS BETTER TO HAVE TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE AWKWARD OR TO HAVE ONE, I THINK THAT YOUR SOLUTION IS MORE SUCCESSFUL.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, THAT IT IS TRANSPARENT AND I ALSO THINK IT'S GONNA CREATE A VERY NICE AMENITY FOR THE MEMBERS OF YOUR CLUB.
I THINK, AGAIN, IT'S, IT, IT, IT'S MAKING IT LESS AWKWARD FOR ITS NEIGHBORS.
UM, MY ONE THOUGHT THOUGH, TO THAT POINT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP WITH YOUR TALKS WITH STAFF OR HOW THAT IS, BUT OF COURSE THE WALL OR
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THE PRIVACY WALL EXTENSION THAT IS NEXT TO CARE AT EXPRESS, YOU KNOW, IS IT, AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, BUT WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THAT BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER AS A TRANSITION? OR IS IT BETTER TO HAVE IT ALL THE SAME FOR UNITY? SO THERE'S NOT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, IT 10 FEET IS A PRETTY HIGH WALL AND IT IS IN YOUR, I WAS TRYING TO FIND IN YOUR PRESENTATION MATERIALS, THERE'S NOT MAYBE THAT ONE OVER THERE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF, UM, VIEWS THAT YOU HAVE THAT SHOW, THAT SHARED PROPERLY LINE.MAYBE THERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW WITH THE CLOSED.
YEAH, I ACTUALLY HAVE IT ON RIGHT NOW, IF YOU CAN SEE THE EXTENSION OF THE SIDE.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY COMMENT TO JUST MAKE SURE TO THINK ABOUT THAT TRANSITION.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS, THIS IS ITS DESIGNS AND I LIKE WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH THE BUILDING, IT WORKS VERY, VERY WELL, BUT YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE SEEN IN CONTEXT AND IT, IT INTERACTS FINE WITH THE BUILDING TO THE SOUTH, IT'S JUST THAT ONE COURTYARD AREA.
AND MAYBE IF YOU EXAMINE IT AND YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, IT DOES ALL HAVE TO BE THE SAME ALL AROUND WHAT I, I JUST DON'T WANNA CREATE A SITUATION WHERE IT'S OVERBEARING TO THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE WITHIN THIS IMAGE, THE, OUR BUILDING ACTUALLY HAS THIS VERY LARGE CONCRETE WALL THAT'S ABOUT TWO STORIES, UH, HEIGHT, UM, AND, UM, WE ARE CONNECTING TO IT.
SO THAT IS KIND OF LIKE THE POINT OF TERMINATION WHERE THE, THE TURNAROUND, UH, ENDS.
UM, AND WE REALLY THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD JUST BE MUCH MORE PURE, UM, TO HAVE THE CONSISTENT HEIGHT, UH, ALONG.
AND WE DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD REALLY ADD TO, UM, EITHER THE, THE STREET OR COMING FROM THE CORNER THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THIS KIND OF LIKE DROP DOWN WHEN YOU GET TO CARROT EXPRESS.
UM, IT'S BECAUSE WE, AS I, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS IS A, THIS IS A PREVIOUS SCREEN, SO YOU CAN LITERALLY JUST TWIST THE, THE SLATS SO THAT THEY'RE VERTICAL AND THEN YOU HAVE ALMOST PERFECT VISIBILITY.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT REALLY TALKS ABOUT HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY IN THAT SENSE.
SO, UM, HOW DID YOU ARRIVE AT THE 10 FOOT HEIGHT? UM, IT'S, WE TOOK AND CREATED A MODULAR SYSTEM WITH THE TWO AND A HALF FOOT, UM, ELEVATION OF THE MODULE SO THAT WE COULD CREATE A CONSISTENT OPENING THAT WAS, UH, SIMILAR TO THE OPENINGS WE HAVE IN THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING.
SO WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LOOK THROUGH, YOU HAVE, UM, KIND OF LIKE THESE ALIGNMENTS, UM, WHICH I THINK ARCHITECTURALLY ENHANCE THE FACADE.
I VERY MUCH LIKE THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL VERSUS HAVING IT LIKE A FENCE, BECAUSE TO ME, IRONICALLY, BEING TALLER ACTUALLY FEELS MORE COHESIVE AS A ROOM RATHER THAN A BARRIER.
AND BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT TASTES,
SO IF THIS WALL WERE TO BE REDUCED, I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE INVITING, UM, NOT INVITING, BUT JUST MORE OPEN, UM, FROM THE STREET AREA AND YET PROVIDE THE PRIVACY REQUIRED FOR THE PRIVATE MEMBERS.
CAN I JUST CLARIFY, SO YOU GOT, YOUR OFFICE IS ACTUALLY IN THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH, RIGHT? YES.
SO YOU, YOU GUYS ARE ABOVE, UM, KE EXPRESS, SO YOU KNOW THE BUILDING VERY WELL.
HAD THERE EVER BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION OF EXTENDING THE GREENERY AND CREATING A GREEN ROOF AS A WELLNESS CENTER OR NO? UM, THE ISSUE IS THAT THIS IS A 1938 BUILDING.
UM, THE ROOF STRUCTURE HAS BEEN REDONE, BUT WE ARE, UM, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE 50% RULE IN TERMS OF THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE DOING TO THE PROPERTY.
AND HONESTLY, IF WE HAD TO BRING THIS UP TO NEW, NEW, NEW BUILDING STANDARDS, WE WOULD BE UNABLE TO MAINTAIN, UH, ANYTHING OF THE CURRENT BUILDING.
THE ELEVATIONS WOULD ALL CHANGE.
AND I FEEL LIKE THIS WOULD REALLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.
UM, AND WHAT ACTUALLY DOES, EVEN THOUGH IT, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT DOES HAVE SOME AWKWARD QUALITIES TO THE STREET, IT ACTUALLY, IT HAS BEEN PART OF THE STREET FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
AND THEN THE, THESE TILES, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS GONNA BE THE TILE, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT SHAPE.
BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE A VARIATION.
BECAUSE I WAS ALSO THINKING OF THE COMMENT THAT STAFF MADE ABOUT THE PRE SECTION TO THE LEFT.
CAN YOU PUT UP THE OTHER PICTURE WITH, UM, THE WALL ITSELF? SO FIRST OF ALL THOUGH, YOU'RE, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE, THE, THE PRIVACY WALL, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE, IT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THIS AS MUCH, RIGHT? LIKE IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE,
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I LIKE, I THINK THAT IS ENOUGH VARIATION IN THE TILE.I THINK THAT'S A GOOD CHOICE NOT TO HAVE A SOLID TILE, BUT TO HAVE IT BE, UM, AND I LIKE THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE TILE AND THE TEXTURE OF THE TILE AND THEN THE TEXTURE OF THE GLASS AND THE BAND.
SO I, I THINK THAT'S REALLY SUCCESSFUL.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY ISSUE NOW WITH REMOVING THE CONDITION.
WE HAD ASKED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS ON THAT BLANK WALL, BUT THERE'S ENOUGH TEXTURE THERE, AND I THINK IT, IT'S BALANCED BY THE OPENNESS PLUS THE SCREEN FROM THE FRONT.
SO I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH VISUAL INTEREST.
AND YOU DON'T WANT TO ADD TOO MUCH TO IT.
SO I'M OKAY WITH, UM, THE DESIGN IS PRESENTED AND, AND THEN THE, THE, THE SIDE, IT'S ON THE LEFT SIDE OR THE RIGHT SIDE THAT YOU WANNA DECREASE THE PE OR WAS IT ON THE SIDE OR ON THE FRONT? NO, IT'S THE FRONT.
IT, THE ISSUE IS THAT THE SIDEWALK REALLY CAN'T BE ENLARGED AND THIS CONDIT IN, IN THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE THE, BOTH OUR BUILDING AND THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH ARE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE KIND OF STUCK WHERE IT IS AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE ROOM TO PUSH THE, THE FACADE BACK.
UM, SO WE, THAT'S WHY WE OPTED TO ASK FOR THE WAIVER AND PUSH THE PRIVACY SCREEN TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND ACTUALLY GIVE, UH, THE BACK TO THE SIDEWALK THAT ABOUT ONE FOOT, UM, IN THE FRONT THAT IS DISCONNECTED CURRENTLY.
YEAH, I THINK AS LONG AS IT ALIGNS WITH WHERE THE BUILDING NEXT TO THE SOUTH IS, YES.
AS LONG AS IT'S IN THAT SAME, I I THINK IT'LL BE REALLY SUCCESSFUL.
AND, AND MICHAEL, THIS JUST LIKE OUR PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, IF IT DOESN'T MEET STRUCTURAL, UM, INTEGRITY, THE WALL THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, THEN IT WOULD AND, AND THE DESIGN HAS TO BE CHANGED DRAMATICALLY.
IT WOULD COME BACK, IT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DOES ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? ANYONE MOTION TO APPROVE SOUNDS? YEAH.
AND THAT'S INCLUSIVE OF THE WAIVERS, INCLUSIVE OF THE WAIVER.
WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THE CONDITION REGARDING MODIFYING THE, THE WALL ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
[5. DRB25-1080, 6788 COLLINS AVENUE ]
ON TO DRB 25 DASH 1 0 8 0 67 88 COLLINS AVENUE.THIS IS AN APPLICATION THAT'S BEEN FILED REQUESTING DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL FOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING FACADE OF A COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER.
THE INTERVENTION INTERVENTIONS ARE RELATIVELY MINOR, INCLUDING, UM, UH, NEW ALUMINUM STRUCTURE TO DESIGNATE EACH STOREFRONT IN A, IN A, UM, UH, SIMULATED WOOD FINISH, AS WELL AS A CORPORATION OF, UH, STUCCO FINISHES.
STAFF IS SUPPORTED THE DESIGN.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE STUCCO BE PAINTED A LIGHTER COLOR AND THAT THAT STUCCO INCORPORATE, UM, UM, SOME SCORING DETAILS VERSUS BEING A, A BLANK, UM, ELEMENT THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN OUR DRAFT FINAL ORDER.
I'M THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR ON FILE.
I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT, ALSO ONE OF THE APPLICANT'S, UM, ASSISTANTS, THIS C BEN FISHMAN.
UM, CURRENTLY THE, WE WANT TO REPLACE, UH, GET APPROVAL FOR REPLACING THE FACADE.
AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW, THE FACADE IS ALL IS UPDATED, OUTDATED, UH, WHEN IT RAINS, WATER GOES THROUGH THE FACADE, FALLS ON THE CUSTOMER WHILE WALKING.
UH, THE TRUSSES IS WOOD TRUSS RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S ROTTED.
AND WE HAD TO MAKE SOME EMERGENCY REPAIRS ON THE FACADE, ON THE ONE STORY PLAZA.
UM, WITH THE NEW CHANGES, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BRING, UH, FOOT TRAFFIC AND, UH, MORE CUSTOMERS TO THE, TO THIS PLAZA.
UM, CURRENTLY THIS IS THE DESIGN WE, WE PUT TOGETHER TO ENHANCE THE PLAZA TO MAKE IT LOOK APPEALING TO THE CUSTOMER EYES.
UM, AND IT'S ALSO AROUND THE AREA.
ALSO, IT WILL UPDATE THE AREA.
UM, THE, UH, THE ALUMINUM, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS IN BROWN, AND THE GRAY STARCO, UH, AS HE REC RECOMMENDED TO BE LIGHTER.
UM, IT IS A SHERWIN WILLIAMS CODE.
UM, I HAVE TO FIND THE CODE, BUT I DID SUBMIT THE CODE THERE.
UM, AND THIS IS, UH, THE MIDDLE OF THE STORE, THE PLAZA, UH, IT'S GONNA BE, WE, WE GONNA MAKE THE TRUSSES TO GO ABOUT THE PLAZA WHEN THE HEIGHTS FINISHED.
UM, THE MIDDLE OF THE PLAZA THERE.
UM, WHAT ELSE? OKAY, HERE WE GO.
THIS IS THE MATERIALS THAT WE ARE GONNA BE USING.
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IT'S A CEMENT ROCK.UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BASED FOR THE SWEATER IN MIAMI BEACH.
ALSO THE ALUMINUM, UH, PLANKS, WHICH IS GONNA BE USED IN BROWN IN THE, UM, LIKE A BROWN COLOR.
UM, THIS ALREADY WENT THROUGH, UM, THE TRUSS COMPANY THAT'S SPILLING THE TRUSSES IS METAL TRUSSES.
UM, AND THESE, UH, ALUMINUM PLANKS WILL BE BOLTED ON OR SCREWED ONTO TO THE TRUSSES.
UM, THEN YOU WANT ADD ANYTHING TO? SURE.
I'M THE, I'M THE PROPERTY MANAGER AND PROJECT DIRECTOR, UH, FOR THIS FAMILY OFFICE.
IT'S THREE BROTHERS, UH, OWNED THIS FOR PROBABLY ABOUT 20 YEARS.
UH, WE HAVE A VIOLATION, UH, ON THE FACADE THAT WE'VE HAD PROBABLY FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.
UH, WE ORIGINALLY STARTED TO, TO DO THE RENOVATIONS ON THIS SINCE, AND APPLIED FOR PERMITS.
BUT WHEN WE REALIZED TO JUST THE, JUST LIKE, FIX WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IS AN EYESORE FOR THE AREA.
UM, SO WE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN THIS STAGE RIGHT NOW FOR THIS, FOR THE GET APPROVAL FOR THIS NEW DESIGN.
SO WE COULD GO AHEAD AND WE COULD CONTINUE WITH OUR PLAN FIXING UP, UH, THE SHOPPING CENTER AND MAKING IT A, UH, SOMETHING THAT FITS SMOOTHLY INTO COLLINS AVENUE AND, UH, AND SOMETHING FOR THE, FOR THE COMMUNITY TO ENJOY AND LIKE.
ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK? ANYBODY ONLINE? WE DO HAVE ONE CALLER ONLINE.
SHE, DOES SHE NEED TO BE NO, NOT SWORN IN.
YEAH, SHE DOES NEED TO BE SWORN IN.
MARILYN, ARE YOU THERE? SHE LOWER HER HAND.
UM, THEN I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD FOR A COMMENT.
YOU WANT NOT TO BEGIN? HANG ON.
WELL, I THINK THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT.
I, UM, AND MAYBE THIS IS JUST THE PRESENTATION MATERIALS I'M LOOKING AT.
ARE YOU GOING TO, I, I SAW IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN ENHANCING THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL.
ARE YOU GONNA BE ADDING ANY GREENERY OR SHRUBS OR THAT SORT OF THING? SO IT'S NOT ALL ASPHALT, RIGHT.
UM, AND THEN FOR THOSE MIDDLE COLUMN AREAS BETWEEN HANDICAP PARKING, UM, AND BY THE LITTLE CAESARS, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S LIKE, UH, THERE'S SOME GRASS.
WE ARE GONNA OBVIOUSLY GO FOR PERMITS TO MAKE THE LANDSCAPING NICER.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, UH, OUR ARCHITECT WORKING UP A PROPOSAL NOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO ANY BOARD HEARINGS FOR.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, A REGULAR PERMIT.
UH, BUT TO HELP WITH THE GARBAGE ENCLOSURE AS WELL, UH, TO MAKE THAT MORE, UH, NICER.
UH, AND WE HAVE AS WELL, UM, PERMITS IN PLACE NOW TO REDO THE PARKING LOT IN TERMS OF ASPHALT, UH, THE SEALANT AND, AND THE, AND THE PAINTING.
SO OVERALL, THIS IS JUST, UH, THE BIGGEST HURDLE.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST IN A SENSE, UH, PICKING UP PIG PIGGYBACKING ON, ON THE REST OF THE, FOR THE PROJECT TO COME TOGETHER.
AND SO YOU HAVEN'T NECESSARILY EXPLORED ANY WAYS TO INCLUDE ANY GREENERY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NOT NECESSARILY.
EVEN THAT JUST PLANTERS OR, IT'S, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING AFTER WE HAVE A APPROVAL FOR THE FACADE AND WE CAN START WORKING ON THE REST OF THE PROJECT.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF LIKE THE MA PART OF THE MASTER PLAN.
UM, UM, MICHAEL, ON, ON THIS ISSUE OF THE LANDSCAPING, UH, IT IS, UM, UM, UM, A DIFFICULT PROPERTY WHEN YOU PASS BY THERE.
UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE CONDITIONS THAT IT HAS BEEN FOR YEARS NOW.
UM, LANDSCAPING WOULD DO A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF ENHANCEMENT, I BELIEVE, TO THE PROPERTY, BOTH WITHIN THE PARKING LOT AND ON THE FRONT.
UM, BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE PRO AND THE PARKING LOT.
THE BAR WOULD REQUIRE THAT AS PART OF THE APPROVAL THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A LANDSCAPE PLAN WITHOUT REDUCING THE PARKING, BUT INCORPORATES APPROPRIATE HEDGING MATERIAL AND OTHER LANDSCAPING WHERE, UM, WHERE IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDED ON THE SITE AS PART OF THIS, AS PART OF THIS, THIS CLARIFICATION BASED ON THEIR, ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE USE, ARE THEY AT THE MAX OF THEIR, ARE THEY MEETING THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENT AND THEREFORE CANNOT REDUCE ANY PARKING? I HAVEN'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PARKING, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE ANALYSIS DEPENDING ON THE,
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UM, DEPENDING ON THE NEEDS OF THE FACILITY.BUT WE COULD YOU PUT, IT COULD PUT A CONDITION THAT IF, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF THE PARKING REQUIREMENT IS EXCEEDED THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO REMOVE SOME PARKING SPACES.
I DUNNO IF YOU ONE WANTS TO, UM, WEIGH IN ON THAT.
UH, RIGHT NOW FOR THE PARKING LOT, I MEAN, WE CAN USE MUCH MORE PARKING.
IT'S, UH, HIGH DENSITY, A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
UH, OUR STORES, MOST OF THEM I THINK JUST HAVE MAYBE TWO, TWO TO THREE SPOTS.
UH, WE HAVE AN ANCHOR, ANCHOR TENANT, WHICH WE HAVE LEASE OBLIGATIONS IN TERMS OF PROVIDING SQUARE FEET, UH, UM, UH, UH, PARKING SPOTS.
UH, WE HAVE A BURGERFI THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, CONTR CONTRACTUALLY SUPPLY PARKING SPOTS.
SO IN GENERAL, TO REDUCING OUR PARKING RATIO TO BE DETRIMENTAL FOR OUR TENANTS AND FOR CUSTOMERS.
I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, I FEEL I COULD JUST, I, I THINK FOR THIS PROJECT TO BE APPROVED, IN MY OPINION, IT ISN'T JUST LOOKING AT THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPING AND TAKING A LOOK AT THE PARKING LOT.
WELL, I THINK YOU CAN INCORPORATE INCLUDE SHOULD LIGHTING, DRAINAGE, PAVING, OBVIOUSLY, AND LANDSCAPING.
AND IF YOU ARE CURRENTLY AT THE MAX AND YOU CANNOT, UM, OR AT THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES REQUIRED BY CODE, THEN IT IS WHAT IT IS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PARKING SPACES BASED ON THIS PRESENTATION THERE ARE AND HOW MANY ARE REQUIRED.
AND I THINK THIS IS ALL PART OF A COMPLETE PACKAGE THAT SHOULD BE PRESENTED.
I, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY I SAT ON THE BOARD OF THE PARKING TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE FOR EIGHT YEARS.
NO ONE EVER SAID IN THE CITY, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MORE PARKING BECAUSE IT IS A DISASTER FOR PEOPLE.
SO I FEEL BAD THESE PEOPLE HAVE A BROKEN BUILDING THAT THEY'RE REFURBISHING OUT OF NECESSITY OR RATHER THAN WANT AND TO PUT ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS ON THEM WHEN THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO DO, TO MAKE THINGS WORK.
THIS IS NOT, STRIP MALLS DO NOT REALLY BELONG IN MIAMI BEACH.
AND TO TAKE EVEN ONE SINGLE PARKING SPACE AWAY TO ME IS, IS CRIMINAL.
SO I WOULD NEVER, AND NOT FORCE, FORCE THAT ON SOMEBODY.
I'M NOT PROPOSING TO TAKE PARKING SPACES AWAY.
BUT I THINK THAT'S INFORMATION WE NEED BECAUSE LANDSCAPING IN THAT PARKING LOT IN FRONT, UM, WOULD TREMENDOUSLY ENHANCE THE PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN IN DISARRAY FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS.
UM, IF, IF PARKING LOT CAN, IF NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES CAN STAY, I AGREE WE SHOULD KEEP THEM.
'CAUSE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES CAN NEVER BE ENOUGH.
UM, BUT WE DO NEED AS AN ENTIRE PACKAGE TO THE STRIP MALL THAT HAS BEEN IN, IN, IN DISARRAY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, TO NOW APPROVE IT PIECEMEAL AND NOT SEE THE LANDSCAPING THAT GOES WITH IT, UM, WOULD NOT BE, UH, MY, MY RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK YOU'RE, IF YOU GO TO ANY REDESIGN OF THAT, YOU'RE GONNA KICK IN ALL MORE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
'CAUSE THEY ALWAYS CHANGE AND YOU END UP WITH LESS PARKING SPACES.
WELL, AND IT SHOULD MEET THE PARKING LOT SHOULD MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS OF LIGHTING, DRAINAGE, THAT PAVING, LANDSCAPING, WHATEVER LANDSCAPING IT REQUIRES.
WHAT ABOUT JUST 'CAUSE THERE ARE EXISTING LANDSCAPING BEDS, THERE'S JUST MINIMAL THERE.
THERE NEEDS TO BE LANDSCAPING ADDED.
I MEAN THAT, THAT HAS TO BE A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL OR PERMITTING.
I MEAN, USUALLY DON'T WE HAVE TO HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN SUBMITTED WITH PACKAGE IF PACKAGE EVERY PROPERTY THAT IS SUBMITTED FOR PERMITTING, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL REQUIRES A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO COME IN WITH A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
WHY ISN'T THIS ONE? NO, IT DOESN'T.
IT DOESN'T, DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF RENO OF INTERVENTIONS, A LEVEL OF RENOVATION.
BUT THIS IS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON COLLINS AVENUE AMONGST VERY SIGNIFICANT PROPERTIES.
UM, I THINK WE COULD REQUIRE, YOU COULD REQUIRE, SO LOOKING AT PHOTOS OF THE SITE NOW, THERE IS A HEDGE ALONG, UM, COLLINS AVENUE.
THERE ARE LAND, THERE ARE SOME LANDSCAPE ISLANDS WITHIN THE SITE.
YOU COULD REQUIRE THAT THERE BE TREES INSTALLED WITHIN THOSE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS.
TREES THAT CAN FIT WITHIN THE SPACES THAT WOULD NOT RESULT IN THE REDUCTION OF PARKING SPACES, BUT WOULD ENHANCE THE SITE BY ADDING I AGREE, TREES INTO THOSE LANDSCAPE AREAS.
BUT WHY ISN'T THAT PLAN PRESENTED? UM, MAYBE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT REQUIRED BASED ON THE FRONTAGE IT BE DONE, CHANGES THAT THEY'RE MAKING.
IT COULD BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
AND I THINK IT'S A CONDITION THAT THE, THE BOARD, UM, COULD AND SHOULD ADD.
IF YOU PROMISE THAT YOU WILL REQUIRE YEAH, WE, WE WE SOME HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE LANDSCAPING THAT IS THERE NOW IS, I'M SORRY, IT'S ATROCIOUS.
AND I COMMEND YOU FOR I'M SURE WITH MANY CODE VIOLATIONS BEING CITED.
I, I COMMEND YOU FOR FINALLY TAKING THE ACTION OF IMPROVING THE
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SITE, THE BUILDING FRONTAGE.BUT IT'S NOT JUST THE BUILDING FRONTAGE, IT'S ALSO THE PARKING LOT WITH DRAINAGE, LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING.
IF WE REALLY WANNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON THIS SHOPPING MALL MM-HMM
UM, LET ME ASK YOU QUESTION TWO OF THE LIGHTING.
THERE IS SOME, IN YOUR DESIGN, YOU ARE SHOWING SOME STOREFRONTS HAVE THESE YEAH.
WHAT IS THAT? LIKE? WHAT IT'S, YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THE FEET OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA USE OR, OH, THE WALL LIGHTING.
NO, WE DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC ONES THAT WE'RE GONNA USE THERE.
WE CAN SUPPLY THOSE, CAN HAVE THOSE EMAILS.
AND WAS THE INTENTION THAT THAT WOULD, WAS THAT FOR DECORATIVE INTEREST OR WAS THAT SUPPOSED TO ILLUMINATE? 'CAUSE I'M ASSUMING THAT THE SIGNS ARE GONNA BE ILLUMINATED OR, YES.
SO WHAT WAS THE IDEA BEHIND THOSE? IT'S DECORATIVE AND ALSO AT THE BOTTOM OF THE, THE, UH, WALKWAY IS GONNA HAVE LIGHTING ALSO FOR THE CUSTOMERS.
LIKE YOU SEE WHERE THE, THERE'S STANDING THERE, THERE'S LIGHTS GONNA BE UNDER THERE TOO.
DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT? THAT YOU CAN OH, UP THERE? NO, I DON'T.
YOU'RE SAYING WHERE THE, WHERE THE GREEN LINE IS ON THE CURB? NO.
WHERE THE, YOU SEE THERE'S A LADY OR A GUY, UH, STANDING IN FRONT OF THE STOREFRONT.
THERE'S LIGHTS ALSO UNDER THE WALKWAY OR ALONG THE BOTTOM EDGE? WELL, THE, WELL THE EDGE OF THE WALKWAY HERE, UHHUH.
AND THEN ALSO WHEN YOU WALK IN HERE, IT'S GONNA HAVE LIGHTS ON THERE.
RECESS LIGHTS UNDER THE CANOPY.
HOW DO WE DEAL WITH LIGHTING ON AS A BOARD TO JUST, 'CAUSE THIS ISN'T NEW FOR ME.
'CAUSE I SEE SOMETIMES IT'S SORT OF DONE AT THE STAFF LEVEL, BUT CAN WE MAKE OUR COMMENTS NOW LIKE THAT THIS, THIS IS A LOT OF LIKE, IT, IT'S MAKING IT A LITTLE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, KIND OF LIKE A CASTLE TOP OR PICKETY TO HAVE ALL THESE THAT WILL DISTRACT FROM THE LIT SIGNAGE.
AND I'M CONCERNED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE IN EXECUTION.
AND THOSE, I ASSUME THOSE ARE JUST THE ALUMINUM BLADES THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL BE ANGLE MOUNTED TO THE STUCCO, WHICH WILL LOOK GOOD.
WHICH I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THE, THE SIGNAGE IS GONNA MOUNT TO THAT.
IT MIGHT HAVE ITS OWN, UM, YOU KNOW, BRACKET THAT WILL GO BACK TO THE BUILDING.
BUT YEAH, I JUST THINK WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT STAYS CLEAN AND NOT, AND WE, WE WANNA ACQUIRE THAT NOT LIT LIKE IT HAS THIS CASTLE TYPE OF TURRET LOOK THAT I DON'T PARTICULARLY LOVE.
AND I WAS THINKING THAT TOO, THAT IT WOULD CONFLICT WITH WHATEVER SIGNAGE THE TENANT NEEDS FOR THEIR OWN STORE.
UM, IF ANYTHING, MAYBE PUT LIGHTS ON THE COLUMNS OR, OR SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVES LIGHT TO THE AREA, YOU KNOW, AS OPPOSED TO YEAH, I THINK IT'D, IT'D JUST BE TOO, THERE'RE GONNA BE A LOT OF VISUAL CLUTTER WITH ALL THE SIGNS AND THE LIGHTS AND THE ALUMINUM AND THE GRAY AND THE, AND THE SCONCES THAT ARE AND THE S YES, ON THE, ON THE GRAY PORTIONS.
LIKE YEAH, IF YOU, IF YOU LIT THE, THE, LETS SAY THE COLUMNS OF ESS NICELY ALONG THE BOTTOM AND THEN THE SIGNAGE IS LIT ABOVE, IT WOULD BE MUCH CLEANER, I THINK.
DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT MAYBE IF YOU'RE FEELING LIKE THIS IS VERY CASTLE, LIKE REFINING IT IN SOME WAY? OR, I MEAN, WOULD YOU WANNA MAKE THAT THE CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL? UM, I DON'T, GO AHEAD.
I JUST, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DETAIL.
I, I JUST THINK IT'S THE LIGHTS THAT ARE DRAWING THE ATTENTION TO THE TOP.
OTHERWISE I THINK IT'LL BE OKAY.
I PERSONALLY, AGAIN, I I JUST THINK THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE ELEMENT OF THIS PROJECT, AND IT SHOULDN'T JUST BE THE, THE STUCCO IN GRAY AND THE WOODEN, UM, METAL LIKE SLOTS.
UM, I THINK IT'S FAR MORE THAN THAT.
IT INCLUDES LIGHTING IN THE BUILDING, LIGHTING IN THE PARKING AREA.
UM, IT INCLUDES LANDSCAPING, IT INCLUDES DRAINAGE.
THAT PARKING LOT, AT LEAST LAST TIME I WAS THERE HAD DRAINAGE ISSUES IN SOME AREAS.
SO I, I THINK WE NEED TO SEE A COMPLETE PACKAGE BECAUSE BY THE END OF THIS WHOLE PROJECT, IT MAY CONFLICT OR BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS BEFORE US TODAY.
I MEAN, THIS SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD TO ME THOUGH.
WE DON'T, WE HAVE VERY IS THERE ANY LIGHTING IN THE PARKING LOT? YEAH, SO WE HAVE, THERE'S TWO POLES, UH, INSIDE THE PARKING LOT AREA.
UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY A MID PERMIT FOR THAT RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF, UH, JUST MAKING IT BETTER.
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WE HAVE TWO, WE HAVE TWO POLES, TWO RISERS.UM, ON EACH ONE OF THEM HALFWAY THROUGH THERE'S TWO LIGHTS.
SO THERE'S A TOTAL OF FOUR LIGHTS PER POLE.
SO WE'RE GETTING EIGHT TOTALLY ON THE PARKING LOT.
AND WE ALSO HAVE ON THE GARBAGE ENCLOSURE THAT AREA OF BURGY.
SO IN THEORY, PART OF THIS DESIGN, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE AWAY THOSE LIGHTS ON THE CASTLE LOOKING AREA, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ANY DETRIMENT TO THE LIGHTING OF THE PARKING LOT.
UM, WE ACTUALLY JUST GOT THE PHOTOMETRIC, UH, FOR OUR PARKING LOT RIGHT NOW.
AND IT'S, IT'S, IT DEFINITELY MEETS THE MINIMUM OF, UH, I THINK IT WAS FOUR CANDLES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I, IT MEETS THAT FOR SURE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF REGARDING THE DRAINAGE THAT WAS AN ISSUE.
ARE THEY, I'M SORRY, ON THE LIGHTING THAT YOU SAID IN THE PARKING LOT, ARE, ARE THOSE NO LIGHTING POLES THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN THE POLES THAT ARE, ARE PRE-EXISTING? EXISTING? IT'S JUST THE, IT'S, IT WENT FROM, IT'S, IT'S UPDATED LED FIXTURES OF WHICH WERE IN THE, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, OF THE PERMIT FOR THAT.
HOW OLD ARE THOSE POLES? DO YOU KNOW? I DON'T KNOW.
THIS IS PART OF WHAT I'M SAYING.
I, I, I, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE RENOVATING, BUT WE'RE KEEPING THINGS THAT ARE NOT, UM, VERY DESIRABLE OR HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE.
AND I'M SORRY, I, I, I DON'T MEAN TO BASH THE PROPERTY, BUT I THINK THE PROPERTY CAN BE IMPROVED SIGNIFICANTLY AND DESERVES TO BE IMPROVED.
NOT JUST WITH THE FACADE ON THE TOP OF THE, YOU KNOW, BY THE ROOF LINE OR ON THE TOP OF THE STOREFRONTS.
I THINK IT, IT, IT REQUIRES A LOT MORE THAN THAT.
I THINK THE CITY HAS WAITED A LONG TIME.
I I WOULD IMAGINE THAT CODE HAS DONE A LOT OF VIOLATIONS ON THE SITE FOR A VARIETY OF THINGS.
I CAN YOU SAY IF THAT'S CORRECT OR NOT? YES, CORRECT.
IT'S, I THINK IT'S A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE PERSONALLY AT THIS POINT.
UM, THE FACADE IS NOT IN GREAT SHAPE.
UH, THERE'S PIECES THAT ARE ACTUALLY FALLING OFF, WHICH, WHICH WE DID.
WE DID EMERGENCY OR PR ON THIS PAST WEEKEND.
SO I MEAN, YEAH, WE'RE TAKING TIME.
IT'S REALLY, IT'S, IT WAS GETTING EVERYTHING PLANNED.
EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING THE DUCKS LINED UP FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD HEARING.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT THAT DID A GARBAGE ENCLOSURE, WHICH HELPS THE PARKING, WHICH HELPS THE WHOLE ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER PURPOSES.
UH, WOULD EVERYTHING ELSE DOES NOT NEED TO HAVE A DESIGN, UH, DESIGN APPROVAL IN TERMS OF REDOING THE WALKWAY? NO.
I MEAN, USUALLY LIGHTING IS, IS PART OF THE DRB APPROVAL, LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE WHAT WE HAVE.
IS THE PROJECT CURRENTLY OR THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY BEFORE THE SPECIAL MASTER? YES.
SO WHAT I DON'T WANT, WHAT I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IS FOR US TO BE A BANDAID OF PARTIAL ENHANCEMENT TO THIS PROPERTY.
OBVIOUSLY, IF IT'S GONE BEFORE THE SPECIAL MASTER, IT'S BEEN ISSUES EXISTING AS I CAN RECALL FOR A QUITE NUMBER OF YEARS.
SO EVEN WAITING FOR A DESIGN REVIEW BOARD TO SEE THIS, BY THE TIME YOU SUBMITTED TO PLANNING ALL OF THAT, YOU COULD HAVE ALSO SUBMITTED A, UH, LANDSCAPING, UH, PARKING LOT, UH, DESIGN WITH LIGHTING, UM, AN ALL ENCOMPASSING TO PROPERLY ADDRESS ALL OF THE ISSUES SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY.
I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE STRUCTURAL ISSUES FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THEY'VE BEEN IN PLACE, IF YOU ARE BEFORE THE SPECIAL MASTER, THEY'VE BEEN IN PLACE FOR UNFORTUNATELY MANY, MANY MONTHS, POSSIBLY YEARS.
CLIENT CANAL FOR 1 1 1, NOT ONE, ONE SOLUTION HERE TO HELP ONE FORWARD, BUT ALSO KEEP UNDER THE PURVIEW THE, THE LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING BEFORE THE DRB.
SO AN OPTION THAT THE BOARD COULD DO, THEY COULD APPROVE THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE STOREFRONT AND REQUIRE THAT PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THOSE RENOVATIONS THAT THE BOARD APPROVE, UM, REVISED LANDSCAPE DESIGN AND REVISED LIGHTING DESIGN.
UM, SO I THINK THE BOARD COULD APPROVE NOW CHANGES TO THE FACADE AND THE SIGNAGE, INCLUDING NOT ILLUMINATING THE, THE, UM, THE SIMULATED WOOD ELEMENTS FOR THE SIGNAGE AND THAT THE OVERALL LIGHTING PACKAGE COME BACK TO THE BOARD ALONG WITH THE LANDSCAPING, PRIOR SIGNAGE AND SIGNAGE.
AND, WELL, THE, THE SIGNAGE IS, UM, IT'S GONNA BE OBJECT, OBJECT, UH, SUBJECT TO EACH INDIVIDUAL TENANT COMING IN.
I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO RACEWAYS SO THAT THEY, THAT THEY INCORPORATE ALL THOSE, UM, TRANSFORMER ELEMENTS BEHIND THE, BEHIND THE WALLS.
UM, BUT AT LEAST IT WOULD GIVE THEM AN APPROVAL TODAY FOR SOMETHING.
AND WE WOULD THEN CONTINUE THAT LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING TO A FUTURE AGENDA TO, TO, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO RE-NOTICE IT.
SO THAT WOULD GIVE THEM SOMETHING MOVING FORWARD, BUT KNOWING THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET A PERMIT BY BUILD FOR BUILDING PERMIT UNTIL THE, THE DRB APPROVES THE REVISED, UM, LIGHTING
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AND LANDSCAPING.THAT'S 1 0 3 AND, AND DRAINAGE AND THE WHOLE PARKING, UH, LOT.
DO, DO WE USUALLY DO DRAINAGE OR IS THAT NOT, THAT'S PART OF THE PARKING CODE.
THE BOARD IS NOT GONNA REVIEW THE, WE'RE NOT REVIEWING THE DRAINAGE.
BUT, BUT IN PART OF, THAT'S NOT REALLY REDOING THE PARKING LOT.
THE PARKING CODE DOES REQUIRE THAT PARKING LOTS HAVE PROPER DRAINAGE.
BUT THE PROPER LIGHTING ISSUE, DRAINAGE ISSUE, IT WAS, THEY, WE DID A HYDRO JETT ON IT SEVEN MONTHS AGO.
IT'S BEEN, YEAH, IT'S MORE THAN FIVE.
BUT I WOULD, SO I, I WOULD SUGGEST IF THE BOARD, UM, TAKES THE DIRECTION TO REVIEW THE LIGHTING, THEN I WOULD SUGGEST, 'CAUSE I SEE RIGHT NOW THERE'S A COUPLE OF REALLY TALL LIGHT POLES WITH BIG LIGHTS AIMING DOWN.
I WOULD SUGGEST REMOVING THOSE AND PUTTING SMALLER, UM, LIGHT FIXTURES AT A 10 OR 12 FEET MORE DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE LOT.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE THESE LARGE PEDESTRIAN.
MORE PEDESTRIAN SCALED LIGHTING.
SO IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD, THEN I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE BOARD.
DECIDE, AND THIS WOULD, THE APPROVAL TODAY OF THE FACADE WOULD INCLUDE THE IMPROVEMENT TO THE, OR THE CORRECTION TO THE STRUCTURAL PROBLEMS THAT YOU'RE HAVING THAT ARE ALSO BEFORE THIS SPECIAL MASTER.
IS, IS THE APPLICANT OKAY WITH THAT IN TERMS OF THE PROCEDURES? IT WOULD, THE BOARD APPROVES THE APPLICATION TODAY, IT WOULD REQUIRE YOU TO COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD IN A MONTH OR TWO, PROBABLY A COUPLE MONTHS TO PRESENT A LANDSCAPE PLAN AND LIGHTING PLAN FOR THE BOARD TO REVIEW.
I MEAN, ARE WE, I HAVE TO SAY THOUGH, WITH THE PARK, THE CITY'S, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN LIGHT CAPACITY.
I JUST, I MEAN, I'M TO YOUR POINT, LIKE THERE'S NO LIGHT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE LIGHT FIXTURES LOOK LIKE.
PART OF MYRA'S POINT IS IF YOU'RE GONNA REDO IT, LIKE REDO IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE REALLY DON'T HAVE A BRAND NEW NEWLY RENOVATED BUILDING AND THEN HAVE THESE LIGHT FIXTURES FROM 1997, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REALLY GONNA STAND OUT AND ADDING LIGHT FIXTURES AND THE LITTLE BIT NICER AND ELEVATING THE LANDSCAPING.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A MAJOR INVESTMENT OR YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S GONNA ENHANCE THE BUILDING.
AND YOU KNOW, I I I AGREE WITH MYRA.
I MEAN THE, WHAT YOU PRESENTED IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT, BUT IT'S ALL IN THE DETAILS.
AND IF YOU REALLY WANNA MEET YOUR GOALS THEN, YOU KNOW, HAVING UPGRADED LIGHTING, UPGRADED LANDSCAPING IS WHAT'S GONNA FINISH THIS OFF.
MYRA, MICHAEL, I WOULD ALSO, I'M SORRY, I HAD A CAVEAT THAT WE CONFIRMED WITH PARKING OR BUILDING, UM, THAT THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM HAS BEEN ADDRESSED AND RESOLVED AND THAT IT MEETS THE CURRENT CODE FOR DRAINAGE FOR A PARKING LOT.
I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE, WE'RE NOT GONNA, NO ONE'S GONNA GO OUT THERE AND VERIFY UNLESS THEY GOT A VIOLATION.
WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE HAD A VIOLATION AND CLEARED IT UP.
SO MAYBE YOU CAN PROVIDE EVIDENCE OF THAT VIOLATION FOR DRAINAGE.
IT HASN'T BEEN HYDRO JETTED AND IT WAS HYDRO JETTED AND FOR THE LAST SEVEN MONTHS WE HAD A LOT OF RAIN AND NOTHING HAPPENED.
SO THINK YOU, YOU CAN PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION OF THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
AYA, ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE OF MICHAEL'S? I'M IN SUPPORT OF PROPERLY IMPROVING THE SITE.
AND IF IT REQUIRES YOU TO GET APPROVAL ON THIS TODAY SO THAT YOU CAN MEET THE CODE VIOLATIONS THAT HAVE AND THE SPECIAL MASTER REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR MONTHS AND YEARS, THEN SO BE IT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IN A MONTH OR TWO THE REST OF THE PROJECT COME FORWARD TO THIS BOARD, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING AND CONFIRMATION THAT THE DRAINAGE HAS BEEN RESOLVED.
ANY ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SIGNAGE OUT.
I DON'T RECALL OUT ON THE STREET OR IT'S JUST ABOVE.
'CAUSE I KNOW ONLY ONE SIGN IS ALLOWED PER STOREFRONT.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF THE BOARD APPROVES THE APPLICATION TODAY, NOT INCLUDING THE LIGHTING, BUT INCLUDING THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE STOREFRONT, AND THEN CONTINUE, UM, A LANDSCAPE PLAN AND LIGHTING PLAN, INCLUDING CONFIRMATION THAT THE DRAINAGE HAS BEEN FIXED TO THE JULY 10TH MEETING.
I'LL SECOND, OH WAIT, I THINK ONE OF US HAS TO MAKE THAT MOTION.
OR I, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION AND I'LL, I'LL MOVE IT AND MY ROLE WILL SECOND.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE TWO MOTIONS.
THE FIRST IS GONNA BE TO APPROVE WITH THOSE CONDITIONS AND THEN WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THE APPLICATION SO THEY CAN PRESENT THE, UM, CONTINUE THE PORTION OF THE APPLICATION FOR LANDSCAPING LIGHTING TO THE JULY MEETING AND BRING THEIR DRAINAGE.
SO, UH, UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT FIRST MOTION? AYE.
AND THEN CAN I GET A SECOND MOTION? THANK YOU.
JUST TO CONTINUE THE APPLICATION FORMALLY, SO I'LL MOVE THIS TO HAVE A CONTINUANCE
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FOR JULY AND THAT WOULD BE FOR THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO BE PRESENTED THE LIGHTING PLAN AS WELL AS CONFIRMATION THAT THE DRAINAGE HAS BEEN CORRECTED.THAT'D BE FOR THE JULY 10TH MEETING.
IS THAT, DO YOU THINK YOU CAN DO THAT BY THAT POINT? YEAH, I'LL MOVE THAT.
MAY OPPOSED? DO YOU, OH NO, THAT PASSES IS SIX TO ZERO.
DO YOU HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO SEE NEXT TIME? YES.
IN TERMS OF, YEAH, YOU GUYS SHOULD MEET WITH STAFF.
WE'LL GO OVER WHAT WE'RE GONNA EXPECT IN TERMS OF A LANDSCAPE PLAN AND LIGHTING PLAN AND THEN HAVE THAT PRESENTED, UM, FOR US FORMALLY IN ABOUT SIX WEEKS SO WE CAN SUBMIT IT TO THE BOARD FOR THE JULY MEETING.
WE ALSO NEED TO SET UP A, I THINK ALSO THAT MY MENTIONED FOR THE LANDSCAPING MAYBE TO HAVE MULTIPLE, YOU KNOW, LEVELS AND NOT LIKE THIS SQUARED OFF HEDGE THAT YOU CAN STILL SEE THE DIRT.
IT SHOULD BE A LANDSCAPING PLAN DONE BY A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WHERE DIFFERENT LAYERING OF PLANT TREES, PALMS OR WHATEVER, UH, A MIDDLE LAYER AND THEN A GROUND COVER LAYER.
[6. DRB24-1072, 299 72nd STREET ]
WE'RE NOW MOVING ON TO OUR LAST ITEM, DRB 24 1 0 7 2 2 99 70 SECOND STREET APPLICANT'S.GIMME JUST A SECOND, I'LL TEE THIS UP.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS DRB 24 DASH 0 1 72 FOR 2 99 70 SECOND STREET.
AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW FIVE STORE COMMUNITY COMPLEX FOR THE PARKING GARAGE LIBRARY, COMMUNITY CENTER, AQUATIC CENTER, FITNESS CENTER, RETAIL, MULTI-PURPOSE FIELDS, AND JOGGING TRACK, INCLUDING VARIANCES TO MODIFY THE CLEAR PEDESTRIAN PATH REQUIREMENTS, REDUCED HABITABLE FLOOR REQUIREMENTS, REDUCE HABITABLE DEPTH REQUIREMENTS, REMOVE THE DRIVEWAY AND VEHICLE ACCESS LIMITATION, REDUCE SETBACK FOR SURFACE PARKING AND REMOVAL OF UPPER LEVEL RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENT FOR MAIN USE PARKING GARAGES.
OKAY, NOW THE PROPOSED COMMUNITY CENTER FEATURES A CONTEMPORARY DESIGN, WHICH IS COMPATIBLE WITH OTHER RECENT CONSTRUCTION IN THE NORTH BEACH TOWN CENTER.
IT INCLUDES A SURROUNDING FITNESS LOOP OF ACTIVE GREEN SPACE WITH TWO SOCCER FIELDS ON THE EAST SIDE.
OVER THE PLAN TO REMOVE THE MATURE SEED, SEED GRAPE CANOPY TREES ALONG COLLINS AVENUE IS A CONCERN THE STAFF HAS EXPRESSED AS PART OF THIS, UM, APPLICATION.
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS GONNA PRESENT REVISED PLANTS TODAY THAT SHOW THAT THEY HAVE INCORPORATED THOSE, UM, SEED GRAPE, UM, TREES, UM, ALONG THE BUILDINGS, NORTH ELEVATION ALONG 73RD STREET, WHICH INCLUDES RETAIL NEAR COLLINS DROPOUT.
PORTIONS OF THE FACADE THAT ARE, ARE, ARE DOMINATED BY BLANK, UM, STUCCO WALLS.
UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE APPLICANT ADD SOME WINDOWS OR ARTICULATION ALONG THOSE BLANK PORTIONS OF, UM, 73RD STREET.
UM, THE WESTERN SIDE, UM, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE HIGH VOLTAGE LINES, HAS A GARAGE SCREENED WITH BLUE COB POLYCARBONATE MESH STAFF IS RECOMMENDING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT MESH TO BE INCORPORATED AS PUBLIC ART.
IN ORDER TO ADD SOME VISUAL, UM, COMPONENTS AND INTEREST REGARDING THE SOUTHERN FRONTAGE, GEE, ALONG 72ND STREET, WHICH FEATURES THE LOBBY, THE LOBBY, UM, LIBRARY, COMMUNITY CENTER, AND POOL ACCESS.
UM, UM, THE APPLICANT IS, IS ASKING FOR A VARIANCE REGARDING THE ENTRANCE OF THE GARAGE, WHICH IS ALONG A, A CLASS A STREET.
HOWEVER, THIS DOES ALIGN WITH, UM, HARDING AVENUE.
WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS REQUEST.
UM, NOW DUE TO THE POWER LINES, UM, TREE, TREE PLANTING IS LIMITED ON THE SITE, INCLUDING ON THE WEST SIDE AND PARTS OF THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES.
UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED PLANS THAT ADDRESS AND HELP MITIGATE THE VARIANCES THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED.
THE APPLICANT HAS HAS, UM, WELL DEVELOPED PLANS THAT OUTLINE EACH OF THE VARIANCE REQUESTS.
SO LET THE APPLICANT GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE.
AND, UH, WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE VARIANCES AS REQUESTED AND ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, UM, DRAFT FINAL ORDER.
BUT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT FOR THE PRESENTATION CONSULTANT.
UM, BEFORE WE CONTINUE, I BELIEVE SOME OF YOU WERE SWORN IN, BUT PERHAPS SOME OF YOU WERE NOT IN THE ROOM WHEN WE WERE DOING SWORN IN IN THE, IN THE MORNING.
YEAH, YEAH, I'LL JUST, UH, I'LL JUST DO IT REALLY QUICKLY.
WE DID THE SECOND ROUND WHEN WE DID.
UM, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'LL BE GIVING IS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YEAH.
AND, UM, MADAM CHAIR, I KNOW THAT, UH, THIS APPLICATION, OKAY, SHE'S A LITTLE DISTRACTED.
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NO, IT'S OKAY.UM, UH, THIS APPLICATION MAY BE A LITTLE, UH, HEFTY.
SO, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE HIM A LITTLE MORE THAN 10 MINUTES OR WE, WE REQUEST YES.
IT'S NOT EVEN NOON, AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE QUESTIONS.
I REPRESENT THE CITY, THE CRP DEPARTMENT.
UM, BEFORE I TURN IT OVER, I KNOW THAT MICHAEL PROVIDED YOU A SYNOPSIS OF, OF WHAT THE PRO, WHAT THE PROJECT INCLUDES.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT BACK IN DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR, LAST YEAR, THE CITY ASKED US TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL FLOORING WITH AN ACTIVATED, UH, UH, FLOOR ROOFTOP WITH, WITH A PICKLEBALL.
SO BESIDES, WE, YOU KNOW, WE INCREASED THE, FROM THE PARKING SPACES FROM 500 TO A LITTLE OVER LESS THAN 600 WITH THE PICKLEBALL ACTIVATED ROOFTOP.
UM, IN JANUARY WE DID MEET WITH THE CRA, THE NORTH BEACH CRA, UH, STAKEHOLDERS.
AND WE DID PRESENT IT, IT WAS A FAVORABLE PRESENTATION, AND WE DID DO AN OUTREACH, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
WE DID GET FAVORABLE PRESENTATION, THE COMMENT THAT WAS RECEIVED, WHAT THEY WANTED TO KEEP THE SEA GRAPES ALONG COLLEGE AVENUE TO BE INCORPORATED INTO, INTO THE PROJECT.
SO THE PLANS THAT YOU HAVE HAVE BEEN UPDATED TO INCORPORATE THOSE CONCERNS OR ASK OF THE, OF THE RESIDENTS.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE CONSULTANT, UH, UH, JASON FROM, UH, WATERMAKER JENSEN.
HE'LL PROVIDE YOU THAT, UH, PRESENTATION ON, ON, ON THE UPDATED, UH, UM, RENDERINGS THAT, THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU.
SO JASON JENSEN, UH, CEO OF WINEMAKER JENSEN ARCHITECTS, AND WITH ME AS NATALIA LIAN.
AND WE HAVE RAPHAEL VIBRATO AND GANO FII.
UH, SO WE HAVE A TEAM FOR ANY OF THE QUESTIONS.
'CAUSE IT, IT IS A VERY IN DEPTH PROJECT.
UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE CAN PRESENT THE ALL RIGHT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, A LOT OF WORK HAS COME TO, TO GET TO THIS POINT MANY YEARS.
AND THIS IS, THIS ITERATION IS REALLY WORKING TO PROVIDE THAT COMMUNITY AMENITY, UH, MEET BUDGET, ALL OF THOSE CONCERNS, UH, IN A ELEGANT SOLUTION.
UH, SO WE'RE EXCITED TO PRESENT THE 72ND COMMUNITY COMPLEX, AND IT IS EXACTLY THAT.
YOU HEARD ALL OF THE PROGRAM THAT GOES INTO IT, OBVIOUSLY INCREDIBLY COMPLEX TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE PIECES WORK WELL TOGETHER.
UH, WE ARE EXCEEDING THE, THE GOP AND DCP PROGRAM GOALS.
UH, THAT'S A MANDATE FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, MEETING THE PROJECT BUDGET IS CERTAINLY, UH, FIGURING OUT WHERE THE PIECES GO AND THE MOST ECONOMICAL, BUT ALSO, UH, TO TAKE THE MOST ADVANTAGE OF THE, THE VIEWS, THE SUSTAINABILITY, ALL OF THOSE FACTORS INCORPORATED INTO THAT, ALONG WITH THE BUDGET, UH, BALANCING THAT PARKING WITH THE COMMUNITY PROGRAM NEEDS.
UH, I, I THINK THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, QUITE AN ELEGANT SOLUTION TO HIDE PARKING, UH, TO ESSENTIALLY PROVIDE A, A PARK THAT CASCADES OVER PARKING AND PROMOTES SUSTAINABILITY THROUGH THE PROJECT.
UH, THE PROJECT IS HARMONIZING WITH THE STREETS ALONG THE SIDE AND THE HEART OF THE COMMUNITY.
UH, WE DESCRIBE THIS PROJECT AS THE LIVING ROOM FOR THE COMMUNITY, THE PLACE THAT YOU GO WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC, UH, YOU KNOW, PURPOSE OR DESTINATION.
WE WANT TO PROVIDE THAT INTERGENERATIONAL AMENITY FOR THIS, UH, THIS SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
WHAT'S BEAUTIFUL IS THIS CONNECTS THIS GREENWAY.
UH, I DESCRIBE IT AS A GATEWAY.
UH, SO WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING ON COLLINS, PLACING THAT PARK ON THE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THAT STREET, AND THEN ECHOING THE PARK THAT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET PROVIDES THIS GREEN GATEWAY, UH, TO THIS COMMUNITY.
SO, UH, ALONG WITH THE OTHER PROPERTIES, THIS COMPLETES THIS RECREATIONAL CORRIDOR FROM EAST TO WEST, FROM WATER TO WATER, UH, AND TAKES OUT WHAT WAS SURFACE PARKING AND HIDES THAT WITH ALL OF THESE AMENITIES.
SO THE, THE ACCESS TO THIS SITE, AS WE CLOSE IN A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, WE'RE KEEPING ALL THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS ON THE CORNERS.
UH, THE NORTH SIDE, WE HAVE STRONG CONNECTIONS BECAUSE THAT IS A, A VERY POPULAR CORRIDOR FOR PEDESTRIANS CROSSING OVER TO THE, TO THE BEACH.
AND THERE'S AN EXISTING CURB CUT WHERE WE'RE MAKING THAT CURB CUT ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UH, ON 72ND, THAT IS WHERE THE EXISTING CURB CUT IS, AND WE'RE ELIMINATING ONE CURB CUT THAT WAS ON 73RD.
UH, SO IN BLUE IS WHERE THAT CURB CUT IS.
WHEN YOU SEE THIS LOOKING FROM THE, FROM THE BEACH TO THE WEST, UH, YOU START TO SEE HOW THIS CONNECTS WITH THE GREEN ACROSS THE, ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, YOU SEE SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURE CONNECTING TO SOME OF THE OTHER PARK STRUCTURES, UH, WITHIN, UH, THAT
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ENTIRE CORRIDOR.AND THEN ALSO, UH, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING HAS A VIEW TO THIS DIRECTION.
SO THE CASCADING WORKS TO ALLOW EVERY PROGRAM TO HAVE A VIEW, HAVE A VIEW.
SO I'M GONNA WALK YOU UP EACH LEVEL OF THIS, UH, STARTING WITH THE, THE GREEN SPACE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE WERE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF, UH, TREES ALONG THAT QUARTER ON COLLINS.
AND THAT WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IN THAT DARK GREEN, WE'RE SAVING ALL OF THOSE TREES.
UH, IT REALLY EMBRACES THE, THE GREEN SPACE THAT IS OPEN AS A LAWN THAT CAN BE REALLY PROGRAMMED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
UH, THIS IS GOING TO SUPPORT THE, THE POOL UPSTAIRS.
THEY HAVE LOTS OF TENTS, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR SOME OF THE MEETS AND SOME OF THOSE LARGE STAIRS THAT YOU SEE ARE NEEDED FOR EGRESS.
BUT THEY ALSO ALLOW THIS SPACE TO BE CONNECTED BY JUST ONE LEVEL TO ALLOW ALL THOSE TEAMS AND FUNCTIONS TO WORK TOGETHER.
BUT THEN IT ALSO ALLOWS THE COMMUNITY TO USE THIS FOR MARKETPLACE FOR PICKUP SOCCER, ALLOWS PARKS AND REC TO USE THIS SPACE.
HAVING THAT ON THE GR ON THAT FIRST LEVEL, I THINK IS A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO PROGRAM THAT FOR THE, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AS YOU MOVE AROUND THIS SPACE, UH, WE, WE HAVE, UH, ENLARGED THE SIDEWALK ON THE PERIMETER.
SO WE'VE GONE FROM, I BELIEVE, SIX TO 10 FEET ON, ON 72ND.
AND THEN WE'VE ADDED THIS OTHER FITNESS FITNESS LOOP.
SO YOU SEE THIS OTHER, UH, LOOP THAT GOES AROUND INSIDE OF THAT PERIMETER.
SO WE ARE NOT FORCING PEOPLE JUST TO WALK ALONG THE STREET EDGE.
WE GIVE THEM AN ENTIRE FITNESS LOOP THAT THEY CAN, UH, RECREATE ON.
AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE AS MUCH LANDSCAPE AS POSSIBLE IN THOSE CORRIDORS.
WITH THE FPL, UH, CONSIDERATIONS, WE'RE STILL GOING TO PROVIDE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
THAT'S UNDERSTORY AND LOW PLANTINGS IN THOSE AREAS.
SO THE SOUTH, THE WEST AND THE NORTH ARE PREDOMINANTLY IN THAT CORRIDOR AS WE MOVE UP.
AND ORANGE IS A RETAIL COMPONENT, HOLDING THAT EDGE.
AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE YOU WILL WALK BY AS YOU'RE GOING ACROSS THE STREET.
MOST PEOPLE ARE WALKING THROUGH THAT CORRIDOR.
UH, SO THAT WILL ALSO SUPPORT, WE MENTIONED THOSE TENTS AND, AND EVENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING ON THE LAWN.
IT PROVIDES SUPPORT FOR THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN ON THE THE SOUTH SIDE, YOU HAVE THE LIBRARY COMPONENT.
UH, IT WAS IMPORTANT TO, TO THAT COMPONENT THAT THEY BE ON THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER.
SO AS YOU HAVE THAT CORRIDOR AND CONNECTION ACROSS THE STREET TO THE RECREATION CENTER, YOU HAVE THAT, UH, AVAILABLE AS WELL.
THE DARK BLUE IS THE LOBBY SPACE.
SO THAT IS CONNECTING ALL OF YOUR PROGRAM SPACES.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THE PARKING, YOU SEE THE CONNECTION TO THE PARKING, HAVING THAT, UH, MOVE AROUND THE FIRST LEVEL AND TIE IN SOME OF THAT, THOSE OTHER COMPONENTS LIKE STORAGE AND EVEN THE AQUATICS, UH, MECHANICAL AREA.
AND THAT LIGHT BLUE ALL ON THAT FIRST LEVEL.
WE HAVE A SECOND LAYER OF THE LIBRARY ON THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER.
THEY HAVE AN OUTDOOR, UH, COMPONENT AT EACH LEVEL, SO THEY CAN BREAK OUT FROM, FROM THE INTERIOR ONTO A, A PORCH FEATURE IN THOSE AREAS.
AND THEN WE HAVE A, A SIMPLE GARAGE STRUCTURE.
UH, BESIDE THAT, AS WE MOVE UP ANOTHER LEVEL IN YELLOW, WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY CENTER, AND THEN THE BLUE IS THE AQUATICS.
BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE WORKING REALLY TOGETHER.
INSTEAD OF HAVING THESE COMPONENTS SPRINKLED, THESE ARE ALLOWS THEM TO REALLY WORK CONSISTENTLY TOGETHER.
SAY, WHEN YOU HAVE A MEET, YOU ALSO NEED SOME COMMUNITY ROOMS TO HELP SERVICE THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, SO THAT THERE'S A LOT OF SYNERGY HAPPENING IN THAT, THAT MIDDLE SPACE.
IF YOU'RE A PARTICIPANT FOR THE POOL, YOU ACCESS THE POOL DIRECTLY.
THE LOCKER ROOMS ARE ON THAT LEVEL.
BUT IF YOU ARE A SPECTATOR, WE'RE MOVING UP ONE LEVEL.
YOU HAVE FITNESS AND YOU HAVE AN OUTDOOR SEATING ON THAT UPPER LEVEL SO THAT THE SPECTATORS AND PARTICIPANTS ARE SEPARATED.
BUT EVERYBODY GETS A VIEW OF THE WATER.
THE SPECTATORS ARE LOOKING OVER THE POOL.
THE POOL IS LOOKING OVER THE, THE PARKING, UH, AND, UH, SORRY, NOT THE PARKING, BUT THE PARK, AND ALLOW EVERYBODY TO HAVE A STRONG VIEW.
AND THEN WE MOVE UP TO THE, THE FINAL LEVEL.
AND YOU HAVE THE, THE PICKLEBALL.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE AN EVENT, UH, THAT HAS A LOT OF PARKING NEEDS, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT DOING PAR PICKLEBALL.
WE WOULD HAVE RE REMOVABLE BALLARDS AT THAT POINT.
SO YOU CAN CHANGE THAT AS YOU NEED TO.
UH, BUT ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, WHEN WITH LOW PARKING, A LOWER PARKING NEEDS, THERE'S NEVER A LOW PARKING NEED, BUT A LOWER PARKING NEED, UH, YOU CAN ACTIVATE THAT.
AND THEN WE KNOW THERE ARE SOME TALLER BUILDINGS COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS ALLOWS EVERY SURFACE THAT YOU SEE TO BE
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TREATED IN SOME WAY FROM THE AIR.SO THIS ALLOWS YOU TO SEE HOW THAT CASCADING EFFECT WORKS.
AND YOU SEE THE DENSITY ALONG COLLINS THAT WE'VE MAINTAINED.
UH, WE COMPLETELY SUPPORT THAT AS, AS WELL.
UH, YOU SEE THE ACCESS, UH, FROM THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
WE HAVE SOME COLUMNS THAT ARE ACTING ALMOST AS A BREEZE DELAY FOR THE, THE PARKING TO HIDE THAT, THAT ENTRY A LITTLE BIT.
UH, THAT STAIRWELL COMES AND BRINGS YOU UP, AND YOU CAN COME DIRECTLY TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, UH, FRONT DOOR AND TO THE AQUATICS.
UH, AND YOU CAN ALSO CONNECT TO THAT PARK AREA.
YOU HAVE SOME SEATING ALONG THE FITNESS TRAIL FOR THE, FOR THE PARK.
YOU SEE THE ANGLES THAT WE'RE WORKING WITHIN THE, THE PROJECT, THOSE ARE ALL FOR, FOR DEFINITE REASONS.
UH, THEY, THEY ALL POINT TO THE WATER FOR A VIEW PURPOSE.
AND THEN IF YOU TRACK THE SUN, THEY'RE ALSO HELPING TO, TO SHADE AND, AND KEEP THE WINDOWS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE FOR A VIEW STANDPOINT, BUT PROTECT THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND YOU SEE ON THAT UPPER LEVEL HOW THE, THE SPECTATORS WORK WITH THE, UM, PAGE, THE PARTICIPANTS COMING ON THAT SUB LOWER LEVEL OF THE POOL DECK.
THERE IS, UH, THE MAIN POOL, IF YOU JUST REMEMBER A LITTLE BIT, THERE'S A MAIN POOL AND A WARMUP POOL.
THE WARMUP POOL IS ALSO MORE OF A RECREATIONAL POOL.
SO THAT HAS SOME RECREATIONAL FEATURES.
AND WE HAVE A SEPARATION ON THE POOL DECK THAT YOU CAN RUN THOSE SIMULTANEOUSLY.
SO IF IT'S A SMALL EVENT, YOU CAN KEEP THAT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
IF IT'S A LARGER EVENT, YOU CAN USE THE FULL WARMUP, UH, DEPENDING ON, JUST ALLOWS IT TO BE SCALED.
WE'LL MOVE AROUND THE BUILDING.
YOU CAN SEE THE ENTRY TO LOBBY TO THE PARKING THAT ALIGNS WITH THE ROAD ACROSS THE STREET, THE LEVELS AS YOU MOVE UP THE LIBRARY, COMMUNITY CENTER FITNESS, MOVE AROUND THE CORNER.
THIS IS THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER.
SO YOU HAVE THE LIBRARY, YOU HAVE THOSE, THOSE OPEN PORCH AREAS.
YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT HAS AN OPEN PORCH AREA, ALL GLASS THAT CAN OPEN UP TO THOSE AREAS ON THAT CORNER.
AND SOME OF YOUR EGRESS THERE.
THE, THE BLUE IS A PLACEHOLDER.
WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH OUR ART AND PUBLIC PLACE.
WE HAVE SEVEN DIFFERENT ARTISTS THAT HAVE SUBMITTED FOR THIS.
SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE LEVEL OF ARTISTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.
SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN BLUE, THAT SCREENING, THIS IS THE ONE SCREENING TODAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OVER BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU.
SO WE MOVE AROUND THE BUILDING.
AGAIN, WE'RE BRINGING SOME OF THAT, ANTICIPATE THAT ARTIST WORKING AROUND THAT CORNER.
AND THEN AS WE COME DOWN TO THE LOWER LEVEL, YOU CAN SEE THE LEVEL OF LEVEL OF PLANTING.
YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'RE HARMONIZING TO THE, THE NEXT LEVEL.
BUT WE'RE PLANTING ALL OF THE, THE, THE SLOPES WITH THAT AND STAGGERING THAT AS WE GO UP TO THE BUILDING.
SOME OF THE SIGNAGE OPPORTUNITIES YOU SEE THE, THE GLASS AS THAT'S S FACING TOWARDS THE WATER.
AND THEN KEEPING IN MIND WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE AT NIGHT.
SO EVERY TIME WE'RE SHOWING A PICTURE, WE'LL SHOW BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE DAYTIME AND NIGHTTIME FOR THIS.
SO ON THE CORNER WITH THE LIBRARY COMMUNITY CENTER AND THAT, WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE AT NIGHT.
THEN WE'LL JUST KEEP MOVING AROUND THAT NORTHWEST CORNER.
YEAH, ACCENTUATING SOME OF THE, THE PATTERNS IN THE GLASS STAIRWELL.
BECAUSE THE, I WILL SAY BECAUSE OF THE POOL DECK, THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF E EGRESS IN THIS FACILITY.
SO THAT'S WHY THERE ARE THE SIGNIFICANT LARGE STAIRS.
IF YOU'RE WONDERING, UM, IF THAT IS FULLY LOADED, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO EGRESS FROM THAT.
SO WE'RE USING THAT POOL DECK TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL SHADE AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT RETAIL AREA.
AND YOU SEE HOW THAT CORNER WOULD LOOK AT NIGHT.
AND THEN FROM THE PARK SIDE, THEN ALONG THAT PARK YOU HAVE THAT SEATING.
YOU HAVE THE, THE WALK, THE WALKWAY THAT'S COMING, UH, FITNESS TRAIL THAT'S COMING BY THAT FACADE.
SO WE'RE KEEPING THAT ALL LIT FROM THE BUILDING AS WELL.
THIS IS A GOOD VIEW THAT SHOWS ALL OF THOSE VIEWS HEADING TOWARDS THE WATER AND REALLY TIES IN SOME OF THE SCALE.
ALSO AS IT COMES DOWN TO THE WATER, IT'S, IT'S BREAKING DOWN THE SCALE.
UH, YOU HAVE SOME OF THE LARGER BUILDINGS, UH, THAT ARE ON THAT WEST SIDE.
UH, AND THEN THERE ARE A COUPLE TALLER BUILDINGS THAT ARE COMING IN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS PROJECT.
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THE SITE HAS A STRANGE SHAPE TO IT.WE JUST HAPPEN TO BE AT THAT NEXUS OF, OF THE ROADWAYS.
UH, AND THIS BUILDING IS REACTING TO THOSE AND NESTLED WITHIN THAT.
BUT A LOT OF THE SHAPE AND CONSIDERATION FOR THIS IS TO ALLOW THE MOST GREEN SPACE ON THE, ON THE SITE AND COLLECT THAT GREEN SPACE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BLOCKING VIEWS FROM ONE OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS. ONE OF THE GEO BOND REQUIREMENTS WAS TO HAVE THOSE PARTICULAR SPACES IN PARTICULAR SPACE, UH, LOCATIONS VERTICALLY TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE VIEWS OVER THE, OVER THE PROJECT.
SO WITH THAT, WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.
UH, ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD MORNING? HOW ARE YOU TODAY? MY NAME'S DANIEL VEIA, NORTH BEACH RESIDENT.
UM, AND HEAVILY INVOLVED IN A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKING PLACE IN NORTH BEACH.
UM, THIS IS THE SINGLE MOST LARGEST GEO BOMB PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE COMMUNITY.
IT IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE GONE THROUGH A VERY LONG PROCESS TO GET TO THIS POINT.
UM, AS YOU HEARD, A PRESENTER MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES AND MENTIONED BUDGET, BUDGET, BUDGET.
SO I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE CERTAIN BUDGET CONSTRAINTS.
I'LL LIMIT MY COMMENTS TO ONE CONCERN HARDING AVENUE, WE HAVE AN AMAZING AWARD-WINNING TOWN CENTER CODE.
YOU HAVE IMPLEMENTED AND ENFORCED THAT CODE ON ALL OF THE BRAND NEW BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED.
I SEE NO REASON TO HOLD BACK ON THE FACT THAT THIS IS A COMMUNITY BUILDING AND NOT ADDRESS IT.
I DO UNDERSTAND THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH SOME ALTERNATIVES AND CONSIDERATIONS FOR DEALING WITH A 55 FOOT WALL, SINGLE BLOCK LONG WALL.
BUT THAT MASSING IS IT, IT'S BIG, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE HAVE TO BALANCE BUDGET AND WE HAVE TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN DESIGN.
YOU CAN LISTEN TO ALL THE TIME DELIBERATION YOU HAD ON YOUR OTHER PROJECTS TODAY, WHICH WERE MUCH SMALLER AND LESS IMPACTFUL THAN THIS.
SO I'M CURIOUS TO HEAR HOW YOU'RE GOING TO SUGGEST TO THE CITY ON HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS WALL ALONG THE SIDE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ARCHITECTURAL CLADDING IS THE SINGLE ONLY OBJECTIVE.
WE ALREADY HEARD THE CONSTRAINTS WITH REGARDS TO LANDSCAPING.
THAT IS A, A PHYSICAL CONSTRAINT.
THEY ARE VERY HEAVY POWER LINES ACROSS THIS, THIS ROUTE.
UM, BUT I, WE STILL NEED TO FIND A BALANCE.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEED TO FIND A WAY THAT WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN HARDING AVENUE AND YOU LOOK AT THE ANGLE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT WALL.
SO WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE THERE.
WE NEED TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
UM, YOU ALSO SEE THE NIGHTTIME VIEW.
YOU SAW HOW AMAZING THEY DEALT WITH ALL THE OTHER FACADES AND ALL THE LIGHTING AND THE CHANGE.
AND ONCE AGAIN, YOU LOOK AT HARDING AND IT, IT'S IMPACTFUL.
SO, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE BOARD TO REALLY FOCUS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A COMMUNITY PROJECT, IT'S A CITY PROJECT.
IT'S NOT THE NORMAL APPLICATION IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND WE ALSO NEED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS 30% DESIGN SO WE DON'T DELAY THIS PROJECT.
SO IT'S, IT'S A BALANCING ACT AND I'M RELYING ON ALL OF YOU HERE TODAY TO, TO DO YOUR BEST TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS ON THAT.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER MEMBERS? AND THERE'S NOBODY ON LINE WITH HER HAND RAISED.
I'M NOW GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION AND OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.
SO, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? GABRIEL'S ABOUT TO LEAVE GABRIEL, PLEASE.
MY CONCERN IS REALLY THE POWER LINES.
IS THERE ANY WAY OF GROUNDING ON PUTTING THEM ON THE GROUND? AND, AND I DON'T SEE 'EM ANYWHERE ON THE ON, ON THE, ON THE DESIGN.
SO ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT YOU'RE PUTTING THEM ON THE GROUND? UH, NO SIR.
WE, THE CITY A FEW YEARS AGO DID EXPLORE THE LINES ORIGINALLY RENT THROUGH THE PROPERTY ITSELF, IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY, UH, AND, AND, AND CONSTRUCT A BUILDING.
WE HAD TO RELOCATE THE, UH, THE, UM, THOSE FPNL LINES.
IT WAS EXPLORED TO DO UNDERNEATH THE GROUND, BUT IT WOULD'VE BEEN IN EXCESS OF 20 TO $30 MILLION TO DO SO.
AND THESE ARE HIGH TRANSMISSION LINES, NOT JUST NORMAL POWER LINES TRANSMISSION.
THESE ARE THE TRANSMISSION LINE.
THEY'RE RUNS NORTH TO SOUTH FROM, FROM THE SURF SIDE DOWN TO, TO THE CITY AND BACK AND FORTH.
SO IF THE CITY ELECTED THE, THE ELECTED TO GO AHEAD AND DO A REROUTE IT, THE WAY WE HAVE IT NOW WAS ROUGHLY ABOUT ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS LESS THAN TWO.
THAT WAS THE REASON IT WAS ALL CONSTRAINED FOR, FOR MONEY.
SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT IT CANNOT BE DONE? WELL, I CAN'T SAY CANNOT.
I'M JUST SAYING IT'S, IT'S FUNDING.
IT'S A, A COST RELATED FUNDING COMPONENT TO IT.
AND, UM, SEVERAL PARTNERS HAVE TO BE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE TO PITCH IN ON THE COST.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD START LOOKING FOR IN THE FUTURE.
'CAUSE WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LOT.
IT'S, IT WAS ALL ABOUT FUNDING AND, UH, UH, HARDING, IS IT A COUNTY OR I DON'T REMEMBER
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IF IT'S A COUNTY OR FOC.F YEAH, SO FOC CAN BE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE TO SHARE IN THAT COST.
SO YES, THAT WAS, BUT I DID, WE DID EXPORT IT.
SO CONTINUING ON HIS THOUGHT OF THE UNDERGROUNDING, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE FURTHER EXPLORED.
HARDING BEING A STATE ROAD, UM, THAT'S THE, THE, THE PRIMARY PERSON TO CONTACT, UH, FOR FUNDING OF THIS.
AND I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT, THE RELATIONSHIPS WITH FDOT.
I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT MM-HMM
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO INVEST THIS MUCH MONEY ON A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN IN THOUGHT SINCE THE NINETIES, UM, THEN WE NEED TO DO IT COMPLETELY.
UM, UM, THE LIBRARY THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITH THE 3,900 SQUARE FEET, IS THAT DISPLACING THEN THE LIBRARY? THE LITTLE LIBRARY WE HAVE FURTHER UP ON COLLINS AVENUE? THAT IS CORRECT.
THE CITY OF, CITY OF MIAMI BEACH DOES HAVE A, UH, AN AGREEMENT WITH THE, UH, MIAMI, MIAMI COUNTY LIBRARY, MIAMI PUBLIC LIBRARY TO RELOCATE THAT, UM, THAT FACILITY ON 75TH STREET TO THIS FACILITY HERE ON 75TH.
AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 7,500 AND, AND, AND TWO AND TWO STORIES.
AND WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH COUNTY, THE MIAMI COUNTY.
SO MIAMI-DADE COUNTY LIBRARY SYSTEM IS FUNDING THE INTERIOR.
UM, IT IS FULLY FUNDED BY THE CITY.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE LIBRARY? I MEAN, IS THAT A PART OF THAT, THE LIBRARY ON SEVENTH FIFTH STREET? YEAH, THE CURRENT ONE.
WE'RE JUST RELOCATING THIS PROJECT'S ONLY RELOCATING THAT PRO THE, THE LIBRARY TO THIS SITE, THAT CITY PROPERTY.
SO THERE WAS A PARKING LOT ADJACENT TO IT.
BUT THE LIBRARY SYSTEM SHOULD BE PAYING FOR THE INTERIORS OF THIS LIBRARY AS THEY DID FOR THE REGIONAL LIBRARY ON 22ND STREET WHEN IT WAS BUILT.
UM, THE, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER YOU SHOW ON THE FOURTH FLOOR, UM, IS THAT FOR SENIORS FOR WHAT WILL BE THE PROGRAMMING, UH, IDEA BEHIND THE NEED FOR THAT COMMUNITY CENTER? THAT WOULD BE MULTIPURPOSE.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT, IT'S ONLY FOR SENIORS.
IT'S FOR ALL, ALL EVENTS REALLY THAT THE CITY WILL LIKE TO HAVE THERE.
SO, 'CAUSE THERE'S ALSO A COMMUNITY CENTER TO THE EAST AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE TO THE WEST.
BUT YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS ALWAYS ENVISIONED TO BE A MULTIFUNCTION MULTI-USE.
SO THE PARKS DIRECTOR AND THE PARKS BOARD REQUESTED THAT THIS BE INCORPORATED, UM, IN THE, COULD SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
JUST, UH, ON THE COMMUNITY CENTER, UM, WHEN IT'S BEING USED AS AQUATICS COMPLEX OR FOR PRODUCTS AND REC, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY ACT ABSOLUTELY NEED THAT OVERFLOW SPACE TO BE ABLE TO RUN THOSE EVENTS.
UH, BUT WHEN IT'S, BUT THOSE ARE EVENTS, ARE EVENTS.
UH, SO THAT IN BETWEEN THAT THEY'RE DESIGNED TO BE INTERGENERATIONAL TO HAVE, BE ABLE TO BE RENTED OUT, TO BE ABLE TO SERVE ANY OF THOSE PURPOSES.
AND WE ARE COORDINATING WITH PARKS AND REC.
THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE OPEN ROOMS OR IS THERE ANY OTHER STRUCTURE THERE? THERE THERE'S ROOMS, THERE'S, THERE'S SUPPORT SPACES, THERE'S SOME OFFICE SPACE IN THERE.
UH, AND HOW IT'S DESIGNED IS THAT ALL OF THE VERTICAL CIRCULATION TIES EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
SO I WOULDN'T SEE THESE AS UNRELATED.
I WOULD SAY YOU HAVE SOME COMMUNITY ROOMS AND YOU HAVE FITNESS ROOM AND YOU MAY HAVE YOGA DOWNSTAIRS AND GO UP AND USE THE FITNESS ROOM AND THEN YOU MAY GO TAKE A SWIM.
YOU KNOW, SO BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DISPERSED ANYMORE, WE'VE REALLY CONSOLIDATED THEM.
YOU HAVE ONE LARGE, IT, IT REALLY EMBODIES THE COMMUNITY COMPLEX IDEA THAT THEY'RE ALL CONNECTED.
UM, THE, THE POOLS ONE IS A MAIN POOL AND THE OTHER ONE IS A WARMUP POOL THAT CAN BOTH BE THE MAIN POOL, I ASSUME IS FOR THE MEATS.
WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT IN DOING A WATER FEATURE POOL LIKE YOU HAVE ON NORMANDY AND NORMANDY POOL? I GUESS
SO THAT GOB IS, UM, DECADES OLD AND THE GOB UHHUH IS DECADES OLD UHHUH.
SO HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION WITH THE PARKS BOARD, UH, PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD AND THE PARKS DIRECTOR TO SEE IF THIS WOULD BE A NICE AMENITY IN THIS AREA? 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE ONE IN NORMANDY, BUT IT BASICALLY SERVICES THAT COMMUNITY UP THERE TO THE WEST.
AND THEN WE HAVE ONE IN FLAMINGO PARK.
UM, THAT, AND BOTH ARE WIDELY USED.
THAT'S WHY I AM BRINGING IT UP.
IF YOU CAN EXPLORE IT, I KNOW YOU'RE IN THE MIDST OF, UH, THIS IS JUST A PRELIMINARY PHASE, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING THEM UP.
AND ACTUALLY, MY, MY CONCERN TOO IS
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RELATED TO THAT.CAN YOU, AS PART OF THAT, CAN YOU ALSO EXPAND UPON, YOU KEEP MENTIONING THE MEATS AND, AND HOW IS THIS GONNA BE USED? 'CAUSE I TOO WAS THINKING BACK TO THIS ORIGINAL GEO BOND CONCEPT AND HOW THIS HAS GOTTEN MUCH MORE.
AND SO HOW IS THIS, WHAT ARE GONNA BE SOME OF THE MORE OPERATIONAL, I I I, IF I COULD SPEAK.
THE, UH, IT, IT'S NOT JUST A COMPETITION POOL.
UH, THERE, THERE'S FEATURES IN THAT RECREATIONAL POOL THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY FOR YOUNGER, YOUNGER AGES.
UH, THERE'S ALSO AUGMENTATION, UH, FEATURES THAT YOU CAN ADD TO, TO THAT POOL, UH, TO ALLOW THAT TO, TO BE MORE PLAYFUL, TO BE MORE OF THAT COMMUNITY POOL.
WE ALSO HAVE A MOVABLE FLOOR AND A PORTION OF IT.
SO FROM, UH, LESSONS STANDPOINT, IT'S, YOU CAN MAKE IT CORRECT HEIGHT FOR TO DO SWIM LESSONS IN.
UH, SO THERE'S A LOT OF FEATURES IN THAT, UH, THAT I WOULDN'T CLASSIFY THIS AS A, A STRICTLY COMPETITION LOCATION.
IT'S, IT'S MEANT TO BE USED AT OTHER TIMES AND REALLY BE ENERGIZED THROUGHOUT THE, THE WEEK WITH ALL TYPES OF SWIMMERS.
UH, SO IT, IT'S WHAT THE BELLS AND WHISTLES THAT YOU ADD TO THAT REALLY MAKE THE DIFFERENCE, UH, ON THAT FEATURE.
AND THAT HAS ALL BEEN CERTAINLY DISCUSSED IN A FOCUS OF PARKS AND REC.
AND AS YOU SAY THAT A FEW MINUTES AGO WE SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR UNDERGROUNDING OF UTILITIES, AND YET WE'RE DOING TWO POOLS WHEN THERE ARE ALREADY SEVERAL POOLS FOR MEETS IN MIAMI BEACH, BOTH AT FLAMINGO AND AT THE YOUTH CENTER.
AND EVEN AT NORMANDY PARK, THE ONE ON NORMANDY, IF IT STILL HAS THAT NAME.
SO I, I, I THINK THERE IS SOME PROGRAMMING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AS TO HOW WE ARE GOING TO UTILIZE THESE POOLS AND CAN THERE BE SOMETHING ELSE DONE MORE EFFICIENTLY SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THESE TWO BODIES OF WATER SITTING ON A ROOF.
THAT ONE AT LEAST TENDS TO BE QUITE EXPENSIVE IF YOU HAVE A MOVABLE FLOOR ON IT.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED THAT EXTENT.
UH, I'VE BEEN VERY MUCH INVOLVED, UM MM-HMM
WITH PARKS AND RECREATION OVER THE YEARS, AND I VERY MUCH HAVE USED THE PARKS AND THE COMMUNITY CENTERS AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT REDUNDANCY APPEARS TO EXIST RIGHT NOW WITH THESE TWO POOLS.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WILL TELL YOU IS THAT HARTING AVENUE OR THIS COMPLEX, AND, AND FIRST I SHOULD HAVE STARTED BY SAYING I COMMEND YOU.
I DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE THAT GREEN.
I LOVE PUBLIX, BUT, UM, BUT IT DOES REMIND ME OF PUBLIX A LITTLE BIT.
SO, BUT IT IS THE CITY COLORS.
UM, IT'S SO, UM, A, A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY, UM, IN THE WAITING FOR THIS FOR DECADES, AGAIN.
UM, BUT THERE'S ONE THING MISSING.
THE PARK, THE YOUTH CENTER TO THE NORTH, I'M SORRY, TO THE WEST, TO THE WEST, HOLDS A PLAYGROUND.
AND IT HOLDS THE TENNIS CENTER ALSO HIGHLY USED AND A YOUTH CENTER, BASKETBALL AND WHATEVER ELSE THEY DO IN THERE.
THE PARKING LOT IS A LITTLE SLIVER ON THE, UM, SOUTHWEST CORNER.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THE PEOPLE THAT GO TO THAT YOUTH CENTER FOR WHATEVER, UH, EVENT MM-HMM
UM, THEY HAVE TO PARK INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THEY GET TICKETED BECAUSE IT'S RESIDENTIAL PARKING, BECAUSE MOST OF THE BUILDINGS THERE DO NOT HAVE PARKING.
THEY'RE OLDER BUILDINGS WITH NO PARKING EXCEPT ON THE STREET.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT FOR THE, UM, COMMUNICATION OF THE YOUTH CENTER ON THE WEST AND THIS NEW FACILITY ON THE EAST TO COMMUNICATE VIA A BRIDGE OVER HARDING SO THAT CHILDREN CAN SAFELY, THE PARENTS CAN SAFELY PARK IN THE NEW BUILDING AND CROSS THAT BRIDGE INTO THE BASEBALL FIELDS, INTO THE TENNIS CENTERS, INTO THE PLAYGROUND, AND INTO THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT'S THERE? FROM A CIP POINT OF VIEW, I HAVE NOT BEEN AWARE OF ANY COMMUNICATION OR OVERHEAD COMMUNICATION BETWEEN BOTH FACILITIES.
SO I, AT THIS TIME, I CAN'T, I CAN'T SAY THAT I HAVE HEARD CAN WE EXPLORED, BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE, IT, IT'S DANGEROUS FOR PARENTS WITH CHILDREN, AND SOME OF THEM ARE QUITE SMALL.
SOME OF THEM ARE TEENAGERS TO CROSS HARDING
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AVENUE.IT, IT'S, I, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT PROBABLY HAS MORE TRAFFIC THAN COLLINS AVENUE.
AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S CURVED, IT'S, IT'S A PROBLEM.
IT, THE, ACTUALLY, THE BIGGER ISSUE IS THE FPL, UH, WE CAN'T DO A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THERE UNDERNEATH THOSE POWER LINES, UH, FROM THAT PROXIMITY.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY THE CONTROLLING FACTOR BEYOND, YOU KNOW, A, A FUNDINGS MECHANISM.
UH, BUT IF THOSE WEREN'T THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN ADDING THAT, I, I, I AGREE.
I, I THINK THERE COULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME, MAYBE SOME EX EXPLORATION WITH FDOT ON SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNALING, UM, YOU KNOW, WARNING.
BUT, BUT I, THE SIGNALING IS NOT THE ISSUE THERE IS SIGNALING.
IT'S THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND THE SPEED THAT GOES BY THERE.
THAT, AND IT IS DANGEROUS, HIGHLY DANGEROUS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, UH, LEVEL OF SERVICE ON THAT INTERSECTION IS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A F AT THIS POINT, OR A, OR A D.
UH, BUT IT, BUT IT'S AWFUL AND IT'S DANGEROUS.
AND YET WE HAVE, IT'S ALL PARKS AND RECREATION, AND WE DON'T HAVE, UM, COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS FOR SAFETY PURPOSES.
I CAN SURELY, UH, MENTION, I WILL COMMUNICATE IT TO, UH, I APPRECIATE BUILDING UP THERE,
THIS IS A GOOD FORUM FOR THAT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE IDEA WHEN THE YOUTH CENTER WAS DONE MM-HMM.
IS THAT WE WOULD DO SOME SORT, AND ACTUALLY SOME OF THE RENDERINGS INCLUDED A BRIDGE MM-HMM
UM, TO THIS EVENTUAL FACILITY THAT YOU'VE DESIGNED, BECAUSE THE ONE ON THE WEST HAS NO PARKING.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE SMALLER CHILDREN ARE GONNA GO.
I THINK WE TIE THAT TOGETHER WITH THE FPL ISSUE BECAUSE THEY KIND OF TIED TOGETHER LOGISTICALLY.
ANYONE ELSE? SCOTT? UH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO START.
NO, I THINK YOU GUYS ADDRESSED A LOT OF THINGS WITH THIS ONE BUILDING.
UH, YOU, YOU, IT VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT.
I THINK YOU GUYS TOOK A LOT OF THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.
LOVE THE STAIRS, LOVE ALL THAT.
MEYER, I GOTTA TELL YOU, FPL WE MADE ON THE VENETIAN CAUSEWAY, THE POWER LINES, THEY PAID TO BURY THEM.
THE, THE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, THEY PAID A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, WHICH THEY'RE STILL NOT BURIED.
SO I THINK THAT'S NOT GONNA EVER HAPPEN IN OUR LIFETIME.
SCOTT, I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH FPL SINCE 1993.
I UNFORTUNATELY STILL DEAL WITH THEM.
AND TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE, I HAVE TO ALSO DEAL WITH FDOT.
IT'S, YEAH, IT'S PIE IN THE SKY, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
FPL N FDOT NEED TO BE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE IN THIS CITY AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
BECAUSE MEANWHILE, WE HAVE DEEP POCKETS IN THIS CITY.
WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THESE PROJECTS.
WE REQUIRE PEOPLE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON DEVELOPMENTS.
WHEN THEY COME BEFORE THIS BOARD, WE, WE LOOK AT THEIR DESIGNS.
FPL AND F NEED TO COME TO THE TABLE.
COLLINS AVENUE IS UNDERGROUNDED.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, THE WALL THAT DANIEL SPOKE ABOUT, THAT'S NOT THIS, IS THAT THE WALL? YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE ARTWORK? YEAH.
SO THE ARTWORK HASN'T BEEN PRESENTED THERE, SO THEY WERE GONNA, THEY WERE GONNA BRING MANY OPTIONS TO IT.
UM, AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? BECAUSE IS THAT THE ONLY THING YOU'RE OBJECTING TO RIGHT NOW? UH, I JUST HAVE TO ASK, BECAUSE LISTEN, THERE, THIS IS LIKE A PUZZLE WITH A LOT OF PROBLEMS. NO, THIS, AND I THINK THEY SOLVED MOST OF THEM.
THIS IS A PUZZLE THAT'S BEEN 10 YEARS AND YEAH.
AND IF WE GO THE WRONG WAY, WE DELAY THIS PROJECT, THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T GET ANYTHING.
AND NORTH BEACH NEEDS THIS PROJECT.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING BALANCE.
AND I'M JUST SAYING ART IN ITSELF.
I'M NOT TELLING YOU BREAK UP THE MASSING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A WALL.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
I NEED THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACE THAT DID AN AMAZING JOB FINDING ANOTHER A HUNDRED PARKING SPACES.
YOU, MAYBE YOU DO, BUT THE BALANCING ACT THAT THE CITY HAS DONE ON THIS PROJECT IS AMAZING.
WE ALL WANTED THE HESCO PROJECT, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS TO SPEND.
SO WHAT CAN WE DO FROM LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING, THE TYPES OF ELEMENTS THAT ARE USED? YOU KNOW, JUST, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GREAT.
JUST SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT REMEMBER THE, SOMETHING, IT MAY NOT BE ADDRESSED TODAY, BUT BRING, I KNOW THEY'RE BRINGING IT BACK TO THE BOARD, BUT TRY TO GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION.
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I'LL BE HERE WHEN THEY BRING THE ART BACK.BUT ART PUT ON TOP OF THIS MESH IS PROBABLY NOT IT, ARE YOU, IS, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT IS THERE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MESHES? WHAT'S THE LONGEVITY OF THIS? THE CITY HAS MAINTENANCE ISSUES TO DEAL WITH THAT AREN'T NORMAL FOR OTHER PROJECTS.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL ANY BETTER.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF MY, THAT THAT'S FACADE WAS ONE OF MY COMMENTS TOO, THAT YOU DID SUCH A GOOD JOB ON.
DO YOU MIND IF I NO, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
YOU DID SUCH A GOOD JOB ON ALL THE OTHER FACADES WITH MOVEMENT AND DIMENSION.
I MEAN, GRANTED IT'S A LARGE PROPERTY, BUT I, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME HOW FLAT THAT SIDE WAS.
AND, AND I DO THINK I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS GONNA BE ONE OF MY COMMENTS ANYWAY, OF, AND I AGREE THAT ART CAN BE, AGAIN, LIKE YOU GUYS CAN WORK YOUR MAGIC MM-HMM
BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, 40 FOOT NICHES.
BUT I DO AGREE WITH THAT COMMENT THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF MOVEMENT ON THAT SIDE.
IF, IF I COULD JUST SAY THAT THE, THE, THE MESH MATERIAL EVEN IS A PLACEHOLDER, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THAT, UH, FROM THE SUBMISSIONS, JUST TO SPEAK TO THE VARIETY, ALL OF THEM, UH, WE REALLY, WE HAD A PRE-MEETING WITH ALL OF THEM, AND WE, WE PUSHED THOSE SAME RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE WANT IT TO BREAK UP THE, THE FACADE AND NOT BE HOMOGENOUS.
SO ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS, WE FEEL AS WELL, AND WERE SPOKEN IN THOSE.
AND WHAT WE RECEIVED BACK WERE SOME MANY DIFFERENT MATERIALS, BUT ALL OF THEM WERE DIMENSIONAL.
SO I'M, I'M VERY HOPEFUL THAT A LOT OF THESE WILL BE, UH, ABLE TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE NEXT ONE ON AND WILL ADD A FLAVOR.
UH, FORTUNATELY THAT ROAD IS A FASTER PACE ROAD.
SO YOU SEE THAT IN THAT FASTER PACE.
UH, AND BY BEING ANGLED, YOU SEE IT AT THAT, THAT CONDITION.
UH, BUT ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS ARE COMPLETELY RELEVANT AND ARE BE, WILL BE THE FOCUS OF THAT PROCESS.
I MEAN, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER THE FOUNTAIN BLUE WALL WITH THAT AMAZING THING? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING.
HOW COOL WOULD IT BE THAT MAYBE WE'RE SO SAD TO HAVE THAT, LIKE CHOMAY, YOU KNOW, VIEW OF THE BAND SHELL AND THE BEACH AND ALL OF THESE.
AMAZING, I MEAN, BUT THE DIFFERENCE WITH THAT IS THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT AS MUCH.
I THINK THAT SINCE THAT'S COMING BACK TO US, YOUR COMMENTS ARE WELL TAKEN, AND I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT MM-HMM
UM, AND I'M SURE THEY ARE TOO, AFTER DOING ALL THIS STUFF, THEY DON'T WANNA HAVE A STUPID WALL RUINING THE WHOLE THING.
AND THEN I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE LIGHTING AT SOME AMOUNT OF LIGHTING OR SOME, UH, LAND LIGHTING TO BRING IT OUT AT NIGHT AND MAYBE EVEN TILL DURING THE DAY.
I MEAN, THE REST OF MYRA'S COMMENTS, THE POOLS AND STUFF, I MEAN, I LISTEN, I THINK IT'S AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE THAT MIAMI BEACH DOES NOT HAVE WORLD CLASS SWIMMING FACILITIES.
I MEAN, I'VE HEARD THAT OVER AND OVER, SO I'M SURE YOU'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE POOL SITUATION.
LIKE, THIS HAS BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF VETTING AND MM-HMM
TALKING AND FIGHTING, AND I'M SURE.
SO LIKE, I THINK WE'VE NEED TO, WE'VE HELPED MEETS FOR THE, A AAU SINCE THE 1990, I'M SORRY, SINCE THE 1980S AT FLAMINGO PARK, UM, AT THE SCOTT RICK AU CENTER.
NOW WE HAVE IT AT FLAMINGO PARK AND AT NORMANDY.
SO IT MAY NOT BE FOR THE, UM, OLYMPICS, BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY CAN HOST THE OLYMPICS.
NO, I JUST, I'VE BEEN, I HAVE RELATIVES AND FRIENDS IN OTHER STATES AND CITIES.
WE HAVE ONE OF THE LEAST SWIMMING CULTURES IN THE MOST SWIMMING ENVIRONMENTS COMMUNITY.
SO I, BUT THIS IS NOT OUR THING AT THIS POINT.
I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON.
AND TO ME, THE WALL IS THE BIG THING.
I MEAN, THE REST OF IT, I THINK YOU GUYS THOUGHT SO MUCH INTO THIS.
LIKE, I LOVE THE STAIRS, THE BIG STAIRS.
UM, THE TREES ARE BACK SO HAPPY WITH THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE POWER LINES BURIED.
MYRA, EVEN IF WE HAD $30 MILLION AND GAVE IT TO FPL LI BET THEY WOULDN'T BE BURIED IN OUR LIFETIME.
SO, WELL, IF WE GOT COLLINS AVENUE BURIED YEARS AGO, EVEN BEFORE IT WAS AN ISSUE.
UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, I JUST WANNA GET IT DONE.
I, THESE FUNCTION ARE OUTSIDE OF US AS DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, BUT WE'RE MORE INTO, WE'RE DEALING WITH A DESIGN, AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN.
IT'LL KEEP ON MAKING SOME CHANGES.
HOWEVER, BESIDES DESIGN, IT HAS TO BE FUNCTIONAL.
IF IT'S NOT FUNCTIONAL, THEN IT'S NOT GOOD.
AS BEAUTIFUL AS THE DESIGN MAY BE, UM, FUNCTIONALITY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.
JUST TO REFRESH ME THAT THE, THE UNDULATION IS
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NOT GONNA BE IN THE STRUCTURE, IT WILL BE WHATEVER, THE APPLIED SCREEN DESIGN SLASH ARTWORK THAT, THAT THAT'S CORRECT.IT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S A VERY EFFICIENT STRUCTURE THAT'S BELOW IT.
UH, AND THEN WE'RE ABLE TO CREATE THAT DEPTH WITHIN THE, THE ARTWORK ARMATURE.
AND IT'S A PERMEABLE FACADE, CORRECT? I, I DON'T WANT TO, WE HAVE SEVEN PROPOSALS.
SO IT, ALL OF THEM ARE PERMEABLE IN SOME WAY.
SOME ARE, SOME ARE MORE FIN STRUCTURES, SOME ARE, YOU KNOW, FLEXIBLE STRUCTURES.
SO YEAH, I JUST, WHEN WE BRING IT BACK, WE'LL BRING ALL OF THAT DETAIL MATERIALS, UH, OPENNESS TO IT.
BUT WHEN YOU SEE IT FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES, UH, EVERYTHING THAT, THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, YOU'LL HAVE A DIFFERENT SHADOW PATTERN AS YOU MOVE AROUND IT.
POTENTIALLY DIFFERENT COLORS, IF IT'S A FIN AS YOU MOVE PAST IT.
UH, SO THERE'LL BE SOME VARIATION THAT, THAT IT APPEARS DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHAT ANGLE YOU SEE IT.
I JUST WAS MAKING SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE, THE STRUCTURAL WILL STAY THE SAME IN THE SAME LINE, BUT WHAT WE'RE APPLYING TO IT WILL BE PART OF THE NEXT CONVERSATION.
UM, THE, THE LIGHTING ON THE, ON THE UPPER PARKING DECK SLASH COURTS, IS THAT ALWAYS ON? IS THAT ON FOR WHEN IT'S, IS THERE NIGHT GAMES? LIKE, WHAT IS THAT LIKE? I'D SUSPECT THERE'D BE, YOU KNOW, TWO LEVELS OF PARKING, UH, LIGHTING, FOR INSTANCE, UH, ONE LEVEL THAT'S SUITABLE FOR PLAYING PICKLEBALL.
AND THEN ONE LEVEL THAT IS, UH, SUITABLE JUST FOR STANDARD PARKING.
IT WON'T BE BLASTING ALL THE TIME.
SO NO, WHEN, WHEN IT'S NOT BEING USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PICKLEBALL, THEN THOSE LIGHTS WOULD, WOULD BE TURNED OFF.
UH, BUT WE, WE ARE STILL GOING TO BE ADHERING TO, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE LIGHT TRESPASSING IDEALS THAT ARE BUILT INTO THE LEAD STANDARDS.
UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT TRESPASSING PAST THAT AND COVERING ANY, ANYTHING THAT'S ON OUR SITE.
IL, DO YOU HAVE OTHER, OH, SORRY.
I'M JUST SAYING IT'S A NICE, NICE DESIGN.
I SAID ONE COMMENT, I GUESS, UM, I NOTICED SEVERAL BUDGET CONSTRAINTS AND THEN JUST SEVERAL OTHER DESIGN ELEMENTS.
BUT OVERALL, GOING FROM 86 TREES TO 23 TREES, HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT ABOUT DOING ANY TYPE OF GREEN ROOF FEATURE OR ANY TYPE OF, UH, I KNOW IT'S A COST RESTRAINT, BUT ANY TYPE OF, UH,
UH, ONE THING YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE ON THE POOL DECK IS WE ARE ADDING SOME GREENERY, SAY IN BETWEEN THE POOLS.
SOME SLIVERS OF, OF GREEN IN THERE AS WELL.
BUT THEY, THERE'S A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE MEETS TO HAVE CLEAR DECK SPACE, UH, AROUND THAT.
SO THEY NEED 16 FEET, YOU KNOW, AROUND THAT.
AND THEN THE, THE, THE PARKING IS SUCH A NEED ON THE UPPER LEVEL THAT THAT LIMITS US THERE.
BUT IF, IF YOU REMEMBER PREVIOUS ITERATIONS, THIS, THIS WHOLE BUILDING, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET, NOT LOSE ANY OF THE PROGRAM, UH, IN THE ORIGINAL, UH, BOND RE REQUIREMENTS AND FIT THIS IN A SMALLER CONFIGURATION TO ALLOW ALL OF THAT GREEN SPACE TO EVEN KEEP THOSE TREES ON COLLINS.
ALL OF THAT GREEN SPACE HAS NOT BEEN IN ANY PREVIOUS PLAN.
SO, SO THAT'S AN, AN ASPECT THAT I, I THINK IS REAL ENHANCEMENT.
I APOLOGIZE, I'M, I'M NEW TO THE COMMITTEE, SO I WAS NOT AWARE.
I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO KNOW THE LAST 15 YEARS OF HISTORY.
I JUST SEE THAT LOOKING AT THE BUILDING, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, PART SURFACES AND BEING CONTINUED.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF ANY KIND OF GREEN ROOF OR TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, GREEN SURFACES CAN BE ADDED.
SO I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO, TO EXPLORE, LOOK AT PLANNERS AND, AND EXPLORE, YOU KNOW, ANY ADDITIONAL ON, ON THOSE UPPER LEVELS AS POSSIBLE.
UH, I, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN LOOSELY FOLLOWING THIS PROJECT FOR A LONG TIME, AND BECAUSE OF, OF WHAT IT SORT OF BALLOONED INTO AND BECAME, I DIDN'T REALLY WANNA LIKE IT, BUT THIS IS A REALLY, I LIKE IT.
I REALLY, IT'S A REALLY GREAT DESIGN AND IT'S A VERY EXCITED, UM, AND I FEEL LIKE WE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN PRESENTED BY WAYS TO USE CITY PROPERTY THAT HAVE A LOT OF FLASH AND NOT A LOT OF PUBLIC GOOD.
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KNOW, A PROFOUND AMOUNT OF PUBLIC GOOD.UM, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, A FANTASTIC AMENITY.
UM, I STILL HAVE DEEP RESERVATIONS ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SPENDING OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR PURVIEW IS RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, REVIEWING THIS, I, I MEAN, I DID WANNA, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT FROM ALL ANGLES AND WAS REALLY SORT OF THINKING IT THROUGH.
UM, BUT OVERALL, I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB.
AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LIKED THE MOST ABOUT THE DESIGN WAS THAT THERE WAS SO MUCH MOVEMENT AND DEPTH AND YOU, YOU KNOW, INCLUDED SO MUCH ON THIS, IN THIS BUILDING.
UM, AND I LIKE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT HOW THE SPACES IN OUR LATE, AND IT REALLY SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITH SERVING THE COMMUNITY IN MIND.
UM, A FEW QUESTIONS, UM, TO THAT POINT.
SO TO PIGGYBACK ONTO WHAT QUI WAS MENTIONING, I UNDERSTAND, AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU CLARIFIED WITH THE FP AND L LINES, LONG HARDING.
THAT ALSO IS, AND THIS WAS A COMMENT I MADE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THIS, THAT AS A, AN EXERCISE PATH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S GONNA GET HIT WITH THE WESTERN SUN.
AND IF THERE WAS ONE SIDE TO HAVE TREES ON, THAT WOULD BE IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF I WANTED TO ENCOURAGE SOME SORT OF LOW BUT SHADE BECAUSE NO ONE'S GONNA WANNA BE RUNNING OR WALKING OR EXERCISING OR USING THAT PATH PAST NOON.
BUT THERE IS LIMITATIONS DUE TO THE FP AND L REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE TREES UNDERNEATH THE, UH, TRANSMISSION LINES.
IT, THERE CANNOT BE, THEY RIGHT.
TO BE ABLE TO, BUT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO PLANT HUGE TREES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
MAYBE IT'S LOWER SHRUBBERY SOMETHING.
SO THERE IS LIMITATIONS DUE TO THE FP AND L REQUIREMENTS.
IF YOU COULD EX I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I, I WOULD REALLY, 'CAUSE I, I WANT PEOPLE TO USE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, YEAH, YOU'RE THINKING UNDERSTORY TREES THAT HAVE SOME TYPE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THEY HAVE CANOPY, SOME CANOPY SUNWOOD AND SUNSET HARBOR THAT ARE UNDER POWER LINES THAT ARE YEAH.
SUPER WIDE, LIKE YOUR UMBRELLA, BASICALLY.
I MEAN, I'LL LET THE YEAH, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE ON IT, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT FPL L HENCE THE VHA THAT THEY DO ON THE TREES ON ALTON SWALE IS BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE SO MANY FEET FROM THE POWER LINE.
AND, AND, UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE TREE YOU MENTIONED OR THAT WAS MENTIONED, BUT THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH.
WHAT IF I COULD, I THINK, I THINK AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION NEEDS TO BE MADE BETWEEN TYPICAL OVERHEAD POWER LINES AND THE TRANSMISSION LINES.
THE LIMITATIONS THAT FPO HAS PUT ON US ARE QUITE ONEROUS.
THEY DO NOT ALLOW ANY VEGETATION THAT CAN GROW, UM, THAT CAN EXCEED 12 FEET IN HEIGHT.
SO THAT LITERALLY ELIMINATES EVEN SMALL TREES.
THAT'S WHY YOU FIND THAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ARE ACTUALLY REALLY SMALL VEGETATION IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, BECAUSE PRECISELY OF THOSE, OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS THAT FPOS GIVING US.
AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT ANYWHERE WITHIN 75 FEET OF THE TRANSMISSION LINES THAT, UM, THAT HIGH LIMITATION ON VEGETATION IS BEING, UM, IMPOSED.
SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY ONEROUS.
WE THOUGHT THAT THAT FACADE PARTICULARLY WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE NOT ONLY TO MEET THE STREET TREE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY, BUT TO ALSO HAVE GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE, CONVENIENCE FACTORS TO HAVE THE SHADE THERE.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE LIMITATIONS, THEN THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT PROVIDING, THERE'S NOT TREES ALONG THERE.
NOW, THE SEA GRAPES AREN'T ON THAT SIDE TOO.
THE SEA GRAPES ARE ON, ARE ON COLLINS.
THE TREES THAT YOU HAVE THERE ARE O ARE OVERGROWN FROM THE PARKING LOT ITSELF.
AND THERE WERE TREES THERE WHEN THE FPL DID DO THE TRANSMISSION LINES AND THEY RELOCATED THEM FROM THERE.
SO THEN, I MEAN, I GUESS THEN THE, THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE OR SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO CONCEPTUALIZE IT IS MAYBE THAT IS NOT THE SPACE FOR THIS, THIS WALKWAY, OR LIKE, MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE BEST USE OF IT.
IS THERE A DIFFERENT WAY? IS THAT THE BEST WAY TO ACTIVATE THAT SPACE? OR IS THERE SOME SORT OF CANOPY OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
I MEAN, I WOULD JUST HATE THIS IS, THIS IS THE ENTIRE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE.
I WOULD HATE FOR THAT TO NOT, NO ONE WANNA, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW HOW HOT IT GETS.
I MEAN, NO, I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT COMMENT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITHIN THE 12 FEET, WE'RE NOT DONE LOOKING AT THAT UHHUH.
WE WANT IT TO BE A LINEAR PARK.
I MEAN, EVEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOU, WE'VE ALL PROBABLY WALKED THE HIGH LINE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, MOST, THERE, THERE MOST OF THAT IS, IS LOWER, YOU KNOW, FOLIAGE.
SO FROM THE WEST, WHEN THE SUN IS LOW, UH, 12 FEET CAN STILL PROVIDE A LOT OF SHADE.
SO I THINK WE CAN HAVE BREAKS IN THAT AND, AND SOME FOLIAGE THAT IS DENSE LOW, THAT STILL PROVIDES AMOUNT OF SHADE.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CONTIN CAN CONTINUE TO BRING BACK WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT FACADE IN GENERAL.
UH, BUT THAT, I, I DEFINITELY HEAR YOU.
AND I THINK THAT CAN BE CERTAINLY A GOAL,
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I WOULD SAY TO, YEAH, I MEAN SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA MAKE THESE A BUNCH OF SUGGESTIONS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING CERTAINLY TO EXPLORE AND TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IT'S LIKE TO WALK ON THAT PATH AT FOUR 30, JULY 15TH, YOU KNOW, UNBE, THAT'S WHAT, SO ANYWAY, NOT FUNCTION.SO DID YOU, ON HER ISSUE, DID YOU CONSIDER MAYBE NOT PLACING THE POOL ON THE ROOFTOP AND PLACING IT IN THE GREEN AREA THAT YOU HAVE ON THE, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE? ONE, ONE OF THE WAYS, UM, ON HOW THIS IS STAGGERED, UH, THE, ON A SAY A LOWER ROOF, ESSENTIALLY A ONE STORY ROOF VERSUS PUTTING ON A FIFTH, FIFTH FLOOR HAD A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF COST SAVINGS.
WE WERE ALLOWED THAT ALLOWED US TO MAKE THE PARKING TRULY EFFICIENT BEYOND THAT AND BRING THE, THE POOL DOWN AND THEN MAKE ALL OF THE, UH, MECHANICS OF THE POOL, THE PUMP AND ALL ACCESSIBLE.
UH, BUT I, I THINK THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE, THE PARK AND THE POOL IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND BEING ABLE TO USE THAT.
AND I THINK THE, UH, THE THINKING WAS WITH THE PARK IS THAT THAT IS MORE THAT PUBLIC AMENITY THAT CAN BE ACTIVATED WITH A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES.
UH, SO WE'RE HOPEFUL OF THAT AT THAT LEVEL.
UM, WHEREAS THE POOL HAS TO BE COMPLETELY SECURE.
SO IF IT'S ON THE GROUND LEVEL, UH, IT HAS TO HAVE A SECURE FENCE.
YOU HAVE TO BE TICKETED TO, YOU KNOW, CHECKED IN TO, TO COME INTO THAT.
SO THEN IT, IT REALLY ISN'T, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY PUBLIC AT THAT POINT.
SO, MULTIPLE CONCERNS IN THERE IS, IT IS A BALANCE.
AND IT WAS ALSO ONE OF THE PROGRAMMINGS THAT ORIGINALLY FROM, FROM THE, FROM THE CONCEPT OF THIS PROJECT, IT WAS ALWAYS TO ENVISIONED, SUPPOSED TO BE AT, AT A ROOF LEVEL.
IT IT WAS A REQUIREMENT OF THE GEO.
THAT, THAT WAS WITHOUT KNOWING THAT FPL LINES WERE GONNA BE IN THE MIDDLE.
AND THAT YOU CANNOT USE THE POOL DURING CERTAIN NUMBER OF MONTHS AFTER 12 O'CLOCK NOON.
SO IT, YOU KNOW, AND IT INCREASES THE COST BY HAVING THE POOL ON THE ROOFTOP, AS YOU MENTIONED, AND ALL OF THE RELATED EQUIPMENT TO THAT POOL.
BESIDES THE FACT YOU'RE GONNA NEED A CHILLER ON IT.
WHY, AND THIS IS MORE THE OPERATIONAL, WHY RETAIL, WHY THE CITY ORIGINALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A MIXED USE PROJECT WITH RETAILS AND, AND THE CITY ALLOWS THE CITY MORE FUNCTION, MAYBE BRING, BRING IN A RESTAURANT.
MAYBE WE BRING IN SOME, SOME DIFFERENT TYPE OF, UH, RETAILS TO DRAW MORE PEOPLE IN.
SO THAT WAS THE REASON WHY THEY WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND USE IT.
BUT IT WAS MORE TOWARDS, UH, MULTIPLE USE OF BEING MORE FLEXIBLE AS OPPOSED TO THE CITY RUNNING A RESTAURANT OR DOING IT WAS JUST TO GENERATE SOME MONEY AND CORRECT, CORRECT.
IT WAS MORE TO, YOU KNOW, TO LEASE OUT.
WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE RETAIL SPACE? IT WAS, IT'S A MINIMUM OF 5,000, BUT IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE IT WAS GONNA BE THE WHOLE, THE FIRST FLOOR.
AND IT WAS, IT WAS WHERE THE RETAIL WAS.
THAT STAFF MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT THERE BEING A SOLID WALL.
WHICH IS INTERESTING TOO, BECAUSE I ALWAYS THINK THAT RETAIL WANTS MORE WINDOWS AND VISIBILITY.
SO I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT COMMENT ABOUT THE SOLIDITY.
SO THE, THE RETAIL IS ALMOST COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT LOOKING TO THE PARK.
AND THEN THERE'S ESSENTIALLY A POCKET PARK THAT HAPPENS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT.
UH, SO THE, ALL THE GLASS OPENS UP TO THOSE TWO SIDES.
AND IF, IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE WHOLE PROJECT, REALLY THERE, THE GLASS IS ON THAT KIND OF FRONT AND BACK.
AND THEN THE FINS ARE THE OTHER DIRECTION.
SO THE, THE WALL IN QUESTION IS THE WALL THAT'S RUNNING REALLY PARALLEL.
YOU KNOW, WHAT, IN THE PRESENTATION CAN YOU BRING UP PAGE 29? 'CAUSE IT SHOWS IT'S THE NORTH VIEW.
AND SO THIS, THIS IS, IS THIS 29, UM, THIS, THIS DOES SHOW LIKE THE GLASSES FACING THE PARK AND THEN THE, THE WALL IN QUESTION IS THAT RIGHT HAND SIDE? NOW ON THE ELEVATIONS, YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE THAT.
SO YOU, YOU DO HAVE NO, I THINK THERE'S MAYBE THEN ANOTHER ONE.
IS THERE A NORTH VIEW KEEP GOING NORTH NEXT? NO, IT'S THE VIEW.
IF YOU'RE STANDING ON, I GUESS IT'S 72ND STREET.
OH, WE'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY.
I, I HAVE A PRESENTATION HERE WHERE IT'S PAGE 29.
AND IT'S JUST NORTH VIEW BECAUSE IT SHOWS THOSE, I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT HERE, RIGHT TO THE LEFT OR MILE.
I BELIEVE IN THE, IN THE COMMENTS WITH STAFF THAT IT WAS THAT, THAT ESSENTIALLY WHERE THE RETAILER POPPING OUT.
SO BECAUSE RIGHT, RIGHT NOW THE DESIGN AND IT'S, IT'S SHOWING, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I
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GUESS IT'S UNDER THAT SECOND POOL AND IT REALLY IS A LARGE WHITE WALL.YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UNDER THAT OR WHY THERE'S NO NOTHING BROKEN.
I THINK OF THOSE, OF THOSE TWO NORTH FACING WALLS THERE.
THOSE ARE FACING, UH, MANOLA THERE.
SO AS YOU WALK AROUND THEM, YOU KNOW, IT IS ESSENTIALLY YOU HAVE VOIDS BETWEEN WALLS, UH, ESSENTIALLY.
UM, BUT WE, WE CAN CONTINUE TO, TO ADDRESS THAT.
I, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT'S YEAH.
REQUESTED IN THE, IN THE VARIANCES TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT.
WHEN I SAW IT, I THOUGHT IT WAS PART OF THE, THE REC CENTER SORT OF LIKE CAFE, LIKE IT WAS, 'CAUSE IT WAS FOCUSED INBOARD.
AND NOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF NOT LIKE ACTIVATING THE CORNER AS AS LIKE A PRIME PRIME RETAIL.
THAT'S, I SEE WHERE YOU HAVE THE SIGNAGE, RIGHT? LIKE, BUT IF, AND I GET THE STAGGERING, I THINK I, I DON'T, I WOULDN'T MESS WITH ANYTHING.
BUT DOES, DOES THE GLASS WANNA WRAP AROUND THE CORNER JUST SO THAT IT, IT INVITES LIKE THAT.
YOU HAVE THE TWO, YOU HAVE THE CUBAN, YOU HAVE THE ARGENTINIAN, AND NOW YOU HAVE MM-HMM
THIS, I WOULD EVEN SAY, 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THIS NORTH VIEW AND IT'S SORT OF LIKE A BIRD'S EYE VIEW LOOKING DOWN.
THAT'S, I I GUESS IT WAS A DESIGN DECISION.
WHY NOT ACTIVATE? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW HOW YOU HAVE IT TO YOUR POINT IS THE WINDOW IS FACING EAST AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE FACING WEST, THIS POCKET PARK.
BUT THEN ALONG, I GUESS THAT'S 73RD MM-HMM
WHICH IS A STREET WHERE PEOPLE ARE WALKING.
AND IT'S THAT THERE'S NOTHING, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE PRIME REAL ESTATE FACING.
IT'S VERY, VERY VISIBLE STOREFRONT.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING, DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW WHERE I'M ABSOLUTELY IN, IN, IN A NORMAL RETAIL SITUATION, YOU'RE REINFORCING THE STREET EDGE.
UM, IN, IN THIS ONE, THE, THE THOUGHT IS, UM, WE HAVE MUCH LARGER OVERHANGS ON THE PARKS SIDE SO THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, ONE, SOME OF THE THOUGHT OF THIS WAS MAYBE THERE'S SOMEWHAT OF CONCESSION SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, FOOD SUPPORT FOR SOME OF THE EVENTS HAPPENING.
SO YOU MIGHT BE SITTING ON THE PORCH OF THIS WHILE YOU CAN SEE SOMETHING HAPPENING ON THE FIELD.
UH, SO THAT'S WHERE IT WAS REALLY OPENING UP TO THE PARK.
UH, BUT WE, WE CAN CERTAINLY CONTINUE TO LOOK THAT I WOULD DO THAT.
'CAUSE I MEAN, I'M COMING AT IT.
IF YOU'RE GONNA RENT THE SPACE, YEAH.
I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE A VACANCY MM-HMM
AND IF I'M A BUSINESS OWNER, I WANT THERE TO BE AS MUCH VISIBILITY AS POSSIBLE INTO MY STORE, RESTAURANT, WHATEVER.
AND SO FACING INTO THE POCKET PARK IS LOVELY.
AND I KNOW THAT SEEMS SILLY 'CAUSE IT'S JUST RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO RETAIL, IT NEEDS TO LOOK AND FUNCTION LIKE RETAIL TO ATTRACT, IF IT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER COMMUNITY, PUBLIC SPACE, THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE.
LIKE, I THINK THAT THIS FUNCTIONS WELL AS A PUBLIC SPACE, BUT I WANT IT, YOU KNOW, I WANT US TO NOT HAVE A VACANCY, MORE STOREFRONT RIGHT.
TO MAKE IT, WE'LL MAKE IT READ LIKE A STOREFRONT.
RELATIVELY MINOR, YOU KNOW, CHANGE TO, TO ADD TO THIS.
AND, AND LIKE I SAID, IT, IT IS NOTED THAT WE'RE, WE WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THAT.
UH, SO IT, WE HAVE IT ON OUR AGENDA TO DO THAT.
UM, I ALSO, SORRY, I HAVE A LOT OF LITTLE NOTES EVERYWHERE.
UM, I'M ALSO GLAD YOU'RE MAINTAINING THE SECRET TREES, THE, THE STAIRS.
SO I WAS RECENTLY AT, UM, THE WASCO CENTER, WACO IN, AT, UM MM-HMM
AND THEY HAVE THE SAME SORT OF THIS LONG WHITE CONCRETE, BIG TWO STORY STAIRCASE.
AND I WAS THERE LAST MONTH, MAYBE IN APRIL, AND IT WAS HOT AND THE SUN WAS BLINDING.
AND THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT I NOTICED ABOUT YOUR DESIGN, THAT YOU HAVE NOT ONE, BUT TWO OF THESE WHITE COMPLETELY OPEN WIDE TWO STORY STAIRCASES.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT THAT THIS WAS APPARENTLY PART OF THE MEAT CONDITION, BUT I, I JUST WANTED TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO, AGAIN, THINK ABOUT THE SUNSHINE BEATING DOWN ON US, THE REFLECTION.
IS THERE SOMETHING, THERE'S ALSO A, SOMETHING, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF STAIRCASES.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF VERY, VERY VISIBLE STAIRCASES THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING AND YOU'VE INCORPORATED THEM NICELY.
UM, AND I LIKE THE IDEA TO HAVE THE STAIRCASE, HOW YOU HAVE IT AS ALMOST CREATING SHADE AND A SPACE UNDERNEATH IT.
BUT THAT, THAT, THAT WAS MY, AGAIN, CONCERN.
DO YOU WANNA ADD PLANTERS TO THE STAIRCASE? AND THEN SOME SOMETHING? I, I WAS JUST GONNA ENCOURAGE YOU, AND AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY GREAT, REALLY THOUGHTFUL DETAILS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE FUNCTIONALITY AND THE USER FRIENDLINESS THAT DOES NOT STRIKE ME AS A VERY UI MEAN IT'S FUNCTIONAL MM-HMM
BUT THAT DOES NOT STRIKE ME AS A TERRIBLY MM-HMM
WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE EXACT SURFACE MATERIAL AND, AND, AND REFLECTION AND GLARE WITH THAT.
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AND YEAH, THAT, THAT I IDEA BEYOND THE, JUST REQUIRED FOR THE EGRESS WIDTHS OF, OF THOSE, WHICH YEAH, I, I AGREE.IT BECOMES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT, BUT IT'S ALSO TO PROVIDE THIS TOPOGRAPHY WHERE THE SECOND FLOOR AND THE, AND THE PARK START TO BLEND TOGETHER.
SO IF I'M MOVING FROM ONE TO THE OTHER, I CAN ALMOST JUST GRADUALLY GET BACK UP TO THE POOL DECK LAYER LAYER OR I CAN COME BACK DOWN TO THE PARK AND FEEL THE SAME.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'LL BE AN ISSUE TO HAVE PLANTER BOXES OR TYPE OF SOME TYPE OF CAP TREE ADDED TO THE STAIRCASES ON THAT? WELL, WE HAVE SOME, WE HAVE SOME SOCIAL SEATING BUILT INTO THE BOTTOM OF THE, THE STAIRS THAT STARTS TO, TO BE SEATING THAT'S LOOKING BACK ON THAT FIELD.
SO THAT KIND OF GROUNDS THEM INTO THE PARK.
AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE TO, TO LOOK AT MATERIALS AND, AND GLARE THE EXACT, YOU KNOW, DETAILS OF THAT.
IT WOULD BE KIND OF COOL TO SEE TREE LINE KIND OF CLIMBING WITH THE STAIR LINE.
BUT THAT'S, SO YOU ACTIVATED DOWN AT THE, AT THE BASE OF THE STAIR, BUT, SO, BUT ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC CAN WALK UP THE STAIRS ANYTIME OF DAY.
RIGHT? SO, SO THE, THE, THE ONE STAIR THAT ACCESSES, UM, THE COMMUNITY CENTER FROM THE SOUTH MM-HMM
UH, YOU CAN COME FROM THE PARK AND WALK DIRECTLY INTO THE FRONT LOBBY DOOR OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER IN AQUATICS, UH, WITHOUT GOING, UH, ON THE LOWER LEVEL.
UH, SO THAT WOULD BE USED ALL THE TIME AND IS PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE.
THE OTHER STAIRS WILL ESSENTIALLY NOT BE USED EXCEPT FOR IN A EGRESS SITUATION OR IN A, A MEET WHERE IT'S ORGANIZED TO MAKE A CONNECTION, SAY BETWEEN TEAM TENTS AND THE, AND THE POOL DECK THE NORTH.
SO IT'S REALLY THE ONE STAIR THAT'S GOING TO GET DAILY USE.
SO THE NORTH STAIR IS, IS MORE FOR OVERFLOW MEET COR.
AND TO MEET THE EGRESS, WE HAVE TO HAVE THREE MAJOR EXITS OFF THE POOL DECK AT THAT WIDTH TO ACCOMMODATE THE POTENTIAL LOAD OF THAT.
IS THERE A GATE AT THE BOTTOM OF IT OR A GATE AT THE TOP? THE TOP OF THAT? THE TOP.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THE STAIRS IN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE SUN IS ON THE WEST SIDE, THE BUILDING'S GONNA PROVIDE SOME SHADE FOR ITSELF, UH, IN THE LATER PART OF THE DAY.
AND THO THOSE STAIRS BECOME IMPROMPTU SEATING FOR THE, THE PUBLIC'S PARK SPACE.
SO EACH OF THOSE, AND THE STAIR AND THE SEATING BUILT INTO THE, THE WALL ON THE EDGE OF THAT ALL HAVE THESE SOCIAL SEATING KIND OF BLEACHER PLACES TO, TO PROVIDE THAT.
SO IT'S, WE'RE NOT PROVIDING ACTUAL BLEACHERS ANYWHERE, BUT WE'RE PROVIDING ALL OF THESE, UH, SEATING OPPORTUNITIES BUILT INTO THAT.
BUT I THINK THE STAIRS THEMSELVES BECOME AN, AN OPPORTUNITY.
IF THEIR SUN BEATING DOWN, YOU KNOW, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT SWIM MEETS.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AND HOW OFTEN, WHAT IS THIS GONNA LOOK LIKE IN THE USE? YOU KNOW, IS IT 12 MONTHS A YEAR? IS IT HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE? PROBABLY.
I MEAN, THIS, IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL MEETS, UM, HOW THEY USE IT.
THAT WILL BE PROBABLY MAYBE A PARKS, UH, RECREATION HOW THEY WANT TO DO.
YOU'RE SAYING NOW THAT YOU NEED TWO LARGE STAIRS FOR EGRESS.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE YOU EXPECTING? THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS? YEAH.
AND THE ACTUAL USAGE ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.
UH, SO FROM THE FIRE THEY'RE SAYING YOU COULD POTENTIALLY PUT, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE THOUSAND PEOPLE UP THERE.
UH, THE TYPE OF MEETS THAT WE'RE SPEAKING TO DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE BY ANY MEANS.
UH, SO IT'S A LOT OF THAT IS, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY USE IT, THAT'S NOT COMPLETELY DEFINED, UH, YET.
UH, JUST IN OUR PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE, A LOT HAPPENS ONCE YOU OPEN THAT AND PEOPLE SEE THE FACILITY AND RE AND MAKE THOSE REQUESTS.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT YOU'LL HAVE IS YOU'LL HAVE A LOT OF TEAMS AND COLLEGES COMING AND TRAINING HERE DURING THE, THE WINTER.
UH, SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE A LOT OF THOSE TYPE OF GROUPS AS WELL.
SO THE, THE HIGH SCHOOL, I THINK BEACH HIGH, UM, SWIM TEAM, UM, PROBABLY GO TO FLAMINGO AT THIS TIME.
AND THE SWIM MEETS THAT THEY HAVE AGAINST OTHER HIGH SCHOOLS OCCUR SOMETIMES HERE.
AND SOMETIMES, DEPENDING ON THE, THE SCHOOLS INVOLVED, IT OCCURS THROUGHOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT SCHOOLS, NOT JUST IN ONE SCHOOL ALONE.
AS FAR AS COLLEGES, UM, MOST OF THE COLLEGES HAVE THEIR OWN, UM, SWIM, UH, FACILITIES.
AND MOST OF THEM WILL PROBABLY TAKE PLACE THERE.
UM, AND SOMETIMES OUT OF STATE.
AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE MEET IS AS FAR AS THE A A U SWIM TEAM, UM, IT HAS TWO OR THREE MEETS.
IT USED TO HAVE TWO OR THREE MEETS A YEAR.
UM, AND IT USES ALL THE LANES IN ITS CHILDREN OF DIFFERENT AGES FROM AGE FOUR, I'M SORRY, FIVE, SIX TO HIGH SCHOOL, YOU KNOW,
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GRADE SCHOOL TO HIGH SCHOOL.AND, UM, SOMETIMES IT'S DONE HERE AND SOMETIMES IT'S DONE IN OTHER PARTS, FACILITIES IN OTHER PARTS.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S OCCURRING EVERY WEEK OR EVERY MONTH.
AND THEN FINALLY,
AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS GONNA, YOU KNOW, ADD TO IT, IT SAID THERE'S GONNA BE 318 NET NEW WEEKLY PM PEAK HOUR VEHICLE TRIPS.
AND EVEN MORE CONCERNING THAT, THE INTERSECTIONS ARE OPERATING AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE OF A D
OH, THAT'S, SO IT DOESN'T GET MUCH BETTER.
SO, I MEAN, THE TRAFFIC IS OBVIOUSLY, I GUESS ALSO MY BIG CONCERN WITH THIS, YOU, I I'M, I'M WONDERING WHAT THE EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN MEETING WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, WHAT THE COMMUNITY, I'M GLAD THAT DANIELLE CAME AND SPOKE TO WHAT OTHER CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALSO, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMMUNITY AND TRYING WHAT HAVE BEEN, AND I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT THE SEA GREAT TREES, BUT IS ANYBODY SAYING THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY THAT WAS NOT APPROVED? THIS HAS BALLOONED INTO SOMETHING.
WE'RE ADDING SO MUCH MORE TRAFFIC, WE'RE ADDING, YOU KNOW, THE NEGATIVES.
WHAT HAS BEEN THE FEEDBACK FROM THE FEEDBACK HAS BEEN, AGAIN, THE TREES HAVE BEEN ONE.
UM, THE OTHER ONE HAS BEEN, SOME HAVE VOICED THAT THEY DON'T WANT A AQUATIC CENTER.
UM, SOME HAVE VOICED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, UM, AND SOME HAVE VOICED THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING.
SO THERE'S BEEN A MIX, A MIX, UM, YOU KNOW, MIXED, MIXED CONCERNS OR MIXED, UH, INFORMATION THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING.
BUT THE OVERALL, UM, INFORMATION THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING IS VERY FAVORABLE TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THE PROJECT ITSELF.
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONCERNS OBVIOUSLY FOR, WITH THAT.
AND IS THERE, IS THERE ANY SOLUTION TO THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT'S ALREADY TERRIBLE? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE'RE, FROM THIS PROJECT, I THINK IS, SHOULD BE DISCUSSED WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT AND HOW THEY ANALYZE THAT FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW AND HOW IT AFFECTS.
BUT I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THEY HAVE, WE WILL TAKE THAT INTO, INTO CONSIDERATION.
I I WILL SAY JUST THE NEEDS OF PARKING FOR THE COMPLEX THAT WE'RE CREATING JUST BY THE NEW PROGRAM IS STILL UNDER THE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT'S BEING ADDED.
SO IT'S NET NEW PARKING THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ON THE PROJECT.
UH, AND I THINK THAT WAS A, A GREAT MOVE ADDING THE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT REALLY EMPHASIZED THAT AND RESPONDED TO THAT, THAT COMMENT.
WELL, AND YOU'VE ALSO DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS A PARKING LOT.
I MEAN, I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT UNTIL WE STARTED.
AND IT'S A PARKING LOT TOO, WHICH I THINK IS, I FEEL LIKE MIAMI BEACH HAS REALLY NICE PARKING LOTS IN GENERAL, OR PARKING GARAGES.
THOSE ARE ALL MY, MY COMMENTS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO FOLLOW UP WITH.
HOW MANY COMMUNITY MEETINGS DID IT TAKE YOU TO GET HERE? UH, WE HAD A, A FEW.
WE HAD CRA, WE'VE HAD STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE MORE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS.
HOW MANY MEANING WITH THE COMMUNITY MEETING BOARD AND EVERYBODY ELSE COMMUNITY? THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS PREVIOUSLY WITH STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS.
WE WERE, I THINK IT WAS A COUPLE OF THEM THAT WE'VE HAD.
VERY LUCKY AND FORTUNATE, THE YOUTH CENTER, UH, ICE SKIDDING RING TOOK 98 COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
OH, I REALIZE I DID HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT.
I THINK THAT'S A FANTASTIC AMENITY AND IT'S GONNA BE REALLY LOVELY.
YOU HAVE IT IN, IN, ON OUR RENDERINGS SURROUNDED BY A FENCE.
I INITIALLY ENVISIONED IT AS JUST PEOPLE COMING AND GOING AND ENJOYING THE, THE, THE FENCE FOR THE PARKS AND REC IS GOING TO USE THAT.
THERE ARE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, PICKUP AND BALLS, UH, BEING KICKED AROUND IN THERE.
THAT SMALL SIDED SOCCER WOULD BE IN THERE.
THE TREES ARE GOING TO BE A HUGE HELP TO KEEP THAT IN AS A SOCCER PLAYER MYSELF.
UM, THEY DON'T JUST STAY LOW
UM, SO THAT'S PART OF THAT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE KIDS RUNNING THROUGH THOSE TREES AND, AND INTO THE STREETS INTO THOSE, BUT THE EXACT FENCING, THAT WILL BE ANOTHER MATERIAL THAT WE LOOK AT WOULD, YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDER, RATHER THAN FENCING, I DON'T KNOW, AS A MOTHER OF A CHILD WHO WAS LIKE THE RUNNER MM-HMM
I CAN SEE WHY THE FENCE THERE.
I WAS GONNA SAY TO HAVE LOWER SORT OF BENCHES SO THAT IT COULD, YOU KNOW, KEEP EVERYTHING IN.
BUT THE ISSUE, AND I, I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A POLICY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS SEEMS TO HAVE INITIATED ANYWAY, THAT, YOU KNOW, I PERHAPS NAIVELY LIKE PARKS TO BE AS WELCOMING AS POSSIBLE.
AND ISN'T IT LOVELY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOCIAL SEATING, WHICH I THINK IS A FANTASTIC PHRASE.
AND ISN'T IT LOVELY TO JUST HAVE PEOPLE TO BE THE PARK AS WELCOMING AS
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POSSIBLE, WHERE YOU CAN JUST ENTER WHEREVER YOU NEED TO.AND, UM, I THINK JUST AGAIN, A SENSITIVITY TO, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA KEEP THINGS IN, BUT YOU ALSO WANNA MAKE IT WELCOMING.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS A HUGE SPACE.
WHAT CAN BE DONE JUST TO MAKE IT BOTH WELCOMING BUT ALSO CONTAINING WHAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN.
I AGREE WITH WHAT SARAH'S SAYING, HOWEVER, THE LIABILITY OF KEEPING THAT OPEN IS EXTREME.
UH, BUT MAYBE IT CAN BE CAMOUFLAGED WITH, UH, HEDGING OR SOMETHING SO THAT IT ISN'T JUST A STRAIGHT MM-HMM
LET'S, LET'S, LET'S REFINE THAT.
SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, INTERESTING.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S SO MUCH SPACE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM.
THERE'S SO MUCH FENCE, LIKE THERE'S SOME WIGGLE ROOM, RIGHT.
AND I THINK THE EXACT PLACEMENT OF THE FENCE, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, UH, WITH SOME, MAYBE SOME ROOM FOR HEDGING ON BOTH SIDES OF IT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.
BUT HEDGING THAT COVERS THE FENCE ITSELF.
THE, THAT THE FENCE ENDS UP BEING INSIDE THE, THE, THE HEDGE.
I MEAN, THAT COULD ALSO BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN ARTIST GET INVOLVED TO DESIGN A REALLY SORT OF UNIQUE, INTERESTING, MAYBE LIKE THE SECOND RUNNER UP FOR YOUR PROPOSAL OR, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE A MAJOR FEATURE.
I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE TREES THERE NOW, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING REALLY VISIBLE.
I WOULD HATE THIS FANTASTIC NEW COMMUNITY CENTER TO THEN HAVE THIS VERY INDUSTRIAL, BORING LOOKING FENCE SURROUNDING IT AND BLOCKING IT.
SO SOMETHING AGAIN, I KNOW THERE'S A TON OF DETAILS TO WORK OUT MM-HMM
UM, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT WE'VE GIVEN YOU LOTS TO THINK ABOUT.
I WANNA RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD A CONTINUANCE BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE THERE'S A LOT.
WHAT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YEAH, EVERYTHING I'VE, I'VE HEARD TODAY HAS BEEN PRETTY MINOR.
WE ALREADY HAVE A CONDITION THAT THE HARDING ELEVATION, THAT SCREEN IS GONNA COME BACK TO THE BOARD.
SO THAT'S COMING BACK TO THE BOARD.
WELL, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IF THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK TO US ANYWAY, THAT COULD BE IN THE FUTURE UNTIL WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GONNA DEVELOP THAT ELEVATION.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S MORE OPEN-ENDED IN TERMS OF WHEN THEY CAN COME BACK.
I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF CONDITIONS REGARDING, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE RETAIL ALONG 73RD STREET, WE ALREADY HAVE A CONDITION REGARDING EXPANDING THE FENESTRATION IN THAT AREA.
SO WE DO HAVE, WE HAVE A LOT OF CONDITIONS ALREADY IN THE, IN THE DRAFT ORDER, REFLECTIVE WHAT THE BOARD HAS ASKED FOR.
SO I FEEL COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE BOARD APPROVING IT, KNOWING THAT THE WEST ELEVATION IS GONNA COME BACK.
UM, BUT I MEAN, I, IT SEEMS LIKE IF, I DON'T KNOW, I I, FOR ME, THERE WERE A LOT OF MAJOR DETAILS THAT NEEDED TO BE, THERE WERE ENOUGH MAJOR DETAILS THAT NEEDED TO BE REFINED A LITTLE BIT.
THE TAKEN AS A WHOLE, THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE.
SO I THINK, I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE IT, THEN I WANNA FOCUS ON WHAT ELEMENTS, UM, DO YOU WANNA SEE BACK? YEAH.
I PERSONALLY, I THINK IF WE, IF THEY KEEP THE DESIGN, THE CONCEPT, UM, AND DON'T MAKE ANY MAJOR CHANGES TO IT, OTHER THAN MAYBE PUTTING A HEDGER ON THE FENCE OR PUTTING GLASS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RETAIL, UM, THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE COMING BACK TO THIS BOARD.
IT GOES TO, THROUGH SO MANY COMMUNITY MEETINGS, THE PARKS BOARD, UH, I, YOU KNOW, UNLESS A MAJOR CHANGE IS MADE, UM, THAT YOU DECIDE TO MOVE THE POOL TO THE PLAYGROUND AREA THAT YOU FINALLY SUCCEED WITH F AND FPL L THAT YOU, I DON'T KNOW, CHANGE THE, THE, MAYBE THERE'S A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE WALL THAT IS A CONCERN WITH ART.
UM, THEN IT COMES, COMES BACK BACK AND YOU LEAVE IT UP.
LET'S PLANNING WEST ELEVATIONS COMING.
BUT THAT COULD BE MONTHS FROM NOW.
IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE NEXT YEAR.
SO HOW WOULD MOVE THEM UP? I MEAN, WOULD YOU, I I MEAN, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE STAIRS, THERE'S THE FENCE, THERE'S THIS WESTERN WALL, THERE'S THE RETAIL, UM, THERE'S ALL THE LANDSCAPING WE WANNA DO.
WHAT ABOUT LANDSCAPING THE STAIRS? WHAT ABOUT LANDSCAPING? THE POOL THING? WHAT ABOUT LANDSCAPING? THE TOP, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE PADDLE BALL IS? I DON'T KNOW.
IT, TO ME IT ADDS UP TO BE A LOT.
AND WHAT IF THEY DECIDE TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, CHANGE? WELL, WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR THE ART, CAN THEY INCLUDE ALL THE, ANY OTHER CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE OR UPGRADES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE? YEAH.
BUT IF WE DON'T ASK THEM TO DO THE CHANGES NOW, THEN IT'S, IT'S, I THINK THEY'VE RECEIVED OUR INPUT TO BE ABLE TO PROCEED.
SOME OF THE THINGS THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO, DO, THEY CANNOT ELIMINATE ONE OF THE STAIRCASES SIMPLY BECAUSE OF FIRE, FIRE CODE ISSUES ON EGRESS.
UH, EVEN THOUGH MAYBE ONE STAIRCASE IS MOST LIKELY ENOUGH.
'CAUSE FEW PEOPLE ARE GONNA TAKE THE STAIRCASE UNLESS THERE'S A FIRE.
UM, BUT I, I THINK WE'VE GIVEN THEM INPUT FOR THE FENCE, FOR THE RETAIL, FOR THE SHADE NEEDED ON THE POOL DECK.
THEY CAN COME BACK WHEN THEY COME BACK WITH
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THE ART, WHICH MAY BE IN SIX MONTHS, OR IT MAY BE IN EIGHT MONTHS, MAYBE IN FOUR MONTHS.I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIME SCHEDULE IS.
BUT CAN YOU BRING THE REST OF THOSE THINGS AT THAT TIME? ABSOLUTELY.
THAT WILL BE THE IDEAL PATH FOR THE CITY WHERE WE CAN COME BACK FOR ITEMS. UM, OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, LET US PROCEED FORWARD WITH THE, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DRAWINGS INTO THE 60%.
AND THAT WAY IT ALLOWS THE CONSULTANTS TO DEVELOP THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY REQUESTING.
AND WE CAN BRING IT BACK AT THOSE TIMES.
LIKE, UH, MICHAEL SAID, SO THEN I DON'T UNDERSTAND IF, WHAT IF, IF YOU BRING STUFF BACK WITH THE CHANGES, CAN WE THEN WEIGH IN ON ALL OF THE CHANGES? OR WE CAN ONLY THEN WEIGH IN ON THIS ONE WALL? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT WORK? I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LEVEL OF CHANGES ARE GONNA BE.
SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO COMMENT.
UM, TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO, I MEAN, LET'S SAY THEY COME BACK AND THE FENCE IS THE SAME OR THEY, THEY HAVE A NEW FENCE IN THAT'S A MI THAT'S A MINOR ELEMENT.
SO, BUT COULD WE THEN COMMENT ON IT OR WILL IT BE LIKE, NO, YOU GUYS CAN ONLY COMMENT ON THE HARDING AVENUE SIDE.
IT'S A MATTER OF HOW FAR DEVELOPED THEY'VE ALREADY, UM, BETTER GONE WITH THE PLANS.
SO, UH, OF COURSE ANYTHING REGARDING LANDSCAPING SITE FEATURES MM-HMM
UM, THE, THE, THE FENCE LANDSCAPING, THOSE ARE ALL MINOR ELEMENTS THAT I'M SURE THEY CAN, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE NOT GONNA BE DONE TILL THE THE LAST.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT CAN EASILY BE CHANGED.
IF YOU WANNA SAY THAT THE FINAL, LIKE THE FINAL, UM, LANDSCAPE PLAN GOES BACK TO THE BOARD, INCLUDING ANY LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS ON THE BUILDING AS WELL AS ANY SITE, UM, WALLS OR FENCES THAT CAN ALSO BE CONTINUED AND COME BACK AS PART OF THE WEST ELEVATION.
THOSE, I THINK, AND THEY CAN TIME IT WITH THE ART, WITH THE, WITH THE WEST ELEVATION WALL.
RIGHT? AND THAT ALLOWS THE CITY TO GO AHEAD AND DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, THE STRUCTURAL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT MORE WORK GOING INTO NOW FROM 30 TO 60, 30 TO 90.
THERE'S A LOT MORE WORK INTO IT AND IT ALLOWS THE CONSULTANTS TO GO AHEAD AND DEVELOP IT AND ALSO THE CITY DEVELOPING, UH, ALONG WITH THE COST OF, YEAH, I THINK RIGHT NOW, WE KNOW, I'VE HEARD NO CONCERN REGARDING THE MASSING.
THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE WHERE IT IS.
THE FORM IS WHERE IT IS, THE ELEVATION HAS BEEN BROKEN UP.
WHERE THEY ARE, IT'S A MATTER OF WHERE DO WE NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION DESIGN ELEMENTS.
SO I THINK THAT GIVES THEM THE, THE CITY, THE CONSULTANT, THE REASSURANCE THAT THIS IS OUR PERIMETER, THIS IS OUR FOUNDATION WE CAN DESIGN FOR.
AND I'M CURIOUS TO SEE HOW YOU WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE, THE CON YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE RAISED.
SO I, I THINK WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND THE BOARD TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION, WE ALREADY HAVE THE CONDITION REGARDING SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE FACADES.
WE HAVE THE CONDITION RIGHT NOW THAT THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENT OF THE WEST ELEVATION WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR THE FINAL DESIGN AND DETAILS.
WE CAN ADD IN THAT THE, THE FINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN, INCLUDING ANY ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ON THE BUILDING ITSELF.
WE'LL COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR THE FINAL REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
I MAKE A MOTION WITH ALL OF THOSE CAVEATS,
AND I LIKE TO TAKE THAT WE APPROVE THE PROJECT.
I'D LIKE TO TAKE ONE MOTION TO APPROVE THE DESIGN, AND THEN A SECOND MOTION FOR THE, UH, FOR THE VARIANCES.
SO MY ROOMMATE, THE MOTION MAKE A MOTION MOTION TO APPROVE THE DESIGN.
OPPOSED? SO THAT'S APPROVED, UM, FIVE TO ZERO.
AND I'LL TAKE MOTION ON THE VARIANCES.
MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCES WITH ALL OF THE CAVEATS THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT WE'VE EXPLAINED.
THE LANDSCAPING, THE RETAIL, THE FENCING, RIGHT? SO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THE FENCING, THAT'S GONNA COME BACK TO THE BOARD, UM, AS WELL AS THE WEST ELEVATION WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD, RIGHT? MM-HMM
ALL ALL IN FAVOR OF THE VARIANCES.
[FUTURE MEETING DATE REMINDER: June 6, 2025]
I THINK WITH THAT WE CAN ADJOURN THE MEETING.AND WHEN IS OUR, THE NEXT ONE IN JUNE? IT'S UH, JUNE 6TH.
AND THEN WHAT'S THE JULY MEETING DATE? JUNE 6TH.
THEY, UM, THEY HAVE TO CHANGE IF IT DOES OF SOMETHING.
'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S NOT A CONSISTENT WEEK.
SOMETIMES IT'S THE SECOND WEEK IN THE MONTH.
SOMETIMES IT'S THE THIRD WEEK IN THE MONTH.
SOMETIMES IT'S THE, WELL, WE JUST STARTED ON THURSDAY, BUT THE JULY MEETING HAD A CONFLICT THE THURSDAY THAT WE TYPICALLY WOULD BE MEETING.
AND SO WE HAVE TO CHANGE, OH, I DUNNO, IN OCTOBER.
WE HAVE A LOT OF HOLIDAYS IN OCTOBER THAT WE HAD TO WORK AROUND JUNE 6TH.
WE WILL, WE WILL EMAIL YOU WITH, I DON'T THINK IT'S JUNE 6TH.
[03:45:01]
JUNE IS IS JUNE, JUNE 13TH? NO, IT'S JUNE 12TH.'CAUSE THEY SAY JUNE 6TH AND THAT'S PROJECT YES.
AND THAT'S WHAT PASSED ON THE AGENDA.
I, THERE WAS ONE MEETING JUNE, JULY, OCTOBER THAT THEY CHANGED THE DATE BECAUSE IT, THERE WAS A PROBLEM.