Jun 10, 2025 Land Use and Sustainability Committee

ITEM NUMBER 19 IS A DISCUSSION OF POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OF THE CITY CODE AND THE CITY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REGARDING ALLOWABLE USES AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS WITHIN THE 40TH STREET RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY OVERLAY ONLY APPLICABLE TO RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS.

OKAY, SO THIS IS AN ITEM BEING SPONSORED BY, UH, MAYOR STEVEN MINOR.

I'VE REQUEST, I'VE, I'VE RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO DEFER THIS ITEM, BUT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS ITEM IS TIME SENSITIVE.

UH, SO WHO WILL BE, UH, MR. DARK, ARE YOU GONNA BE INTRODUCING THIS ITEM? YES, MR. CHAIR.

ALRIGHT, SO PLEASE.

TWO STORIES TO THREE STORIES, AND FROM A HEIGHT OF 24 TO 36 FEET FOR A SLOPE ROOFS AND FROM 27 FEET TO 39 FEET FOR FLAT ROOFS.

UM, AS THE COMMITTEE MAY RECALL, THIS, UH, ITEM WAS, UH, REFERRED LAST YEAR ON MAY 15TH, AND IT WAS DISCUSSED, UM, ONE TIME, UH, AT THE SEPTEMBER, UM, MEETING, I'M SORRY, AT THE JUNE 10TH MEETING, UM, WHEREIN, UM, THE, THE COMMITTEE REQUESTED THAT ADDITIONAL STUDY OF THE PROPOSAL, UM, BE MADE.

AND SINCE THEN, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS MET WITH, UH, RABBI STILLMAN AND HIS ARCHITECT, AND THE PROPOSAL HAS BEEN MODIFIED.

AND I'LL JUST BRIEFLY GO THROUGH WHAT THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE PROPOSAL ARE.

IT WOULD MODIFY THE 40TH STREET OVERLAY, WHICH IS, IF EVERYBODY'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS, THE SOUTH SIDE OF 40TH STREET FROM CHASE AVENUE TO PINE TREE DRIVE, THAT ALLOWS FOR THE RS DISTRICT TO HAVE RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS AS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS.

THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE WOULD MODIFY THAT OVERLAY, SO IT WOULD BE VERY SPECIFIC TO THAT OVERLAY.

AND THESE USES WOULD STILL REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL.

ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPOSAL WOULD ALLOW FOR THE INTRODUCTION OF DORMITORY, UM, UH, NOT TO EXCEED FOUR DORMITORY UNITS PER PLATTED LOT, AS WELL AS STANDALONE SCHOOL AS A MAIN USE.

ADDITIONALLY, UM, THE, UM, MAXIMUM LOT AGGREGATION HAS BEEN INCREASED FROM TWO LOTS TO THREE LOTS, BUT DESIGN REVIEW BOARD APPROVAL WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR ANY SITES CONTAINING TWO OR MORE PLATTED LOTS.

THE MAXIMUM LOT UNIT SIZE IS PROPOSED TO BE INCREASED FROM 50% TO A HUNDRED PERCENT.

THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE FOR A TWO STORY HOME IS PROPOSED TO BE INCREASED FROM 30% TO 50%.

UH, COVERED STAIRS AND WALKWAYS WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM THE UNIT SIZE AND LOT COVERAGE CALCULATIONS.

UH, THE MINIMUM OF FRONT SETBACK HAS BEEN REDUCED FROM 30 FEET TO 20 FEET.

THAT'S FOR, UH, TWO STORY HOMES.

UH, THE MINIMUM STREET SIDE SETBACK HAS BEEN REDUCED TO FIVE FEET, AND THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT HAS BEEN INCREASED FROM

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UH, FINALLY THE OPEN SPACE, UM, AND EXTENDED SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR HOMES EXCEEDING TWO STORIES WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM THE OVERLAY.

UM, THIS PROPOSAL WOULD REQUIRE A CORRESPONDING AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND SO IF THIS IS ENDORSED BY THE LAND USE COMMITTEE AND THE CITY COMMISSION, UH, CONSIDERS A REFERRAL TO THE PLANNING BOARD, WE WOULD INCLUDE A CORRESPONDING AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IN SUMMARY, UH, SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD, UM, A SEPARATE REFERRAL BY THE PLANNING BY THE CITY COMMISSION TO THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD BE REQUIRED BASED UPON THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE OVERLAY.

THE ADMINISTRATION IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCES DRAFTED, AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE, UH, LAND USE COMMITTEE ENDORSE THE THE PROPOSAL.

THANK YOU, MR. DIRECTOR.

UM, JUST A FEW POINTS OF CLARIFICATION.

UM, UNDER SB 1730, WHAT DOES IT SPEAK ABOUT? EDUCATIONAL USES ON RELIGIOUS PROPERTY, MR RETURN? I, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

SO SP 1730 IS THE AMENDMENT TO LIVE LOCAL ACT.

I'M SORRY.

YEAH, IT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY AT OUR ELECTION TO APPROVE LIVE LOCAL PROJECTS.

I'M SORRY.

UH, THE OTHER BILLS IT RELATES TO EDUCATIONAL USES ARE RELIGIOUS PROPERTY.

OH.

UM, THERE WAS A BILL, UH, UH, I THINK IT WAS LAST SESSION OR MAYBE THE YEAR BEFORE THAT THAT, UH, PREEMPTED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AS TO, UM, AS TO AUTHORIZING PROPERTIES OWNED BY RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS TO OPEN SCHOOLS.

SO THIS IS ALLOWING A SCHOOL AS A, AS A MAIN USE, BUT THIS IN ESSENCE JUST CONFORMS WITH STATE LAW IN A WAY? YEAH, IN A WAY, YES IT DOES.

AND THEN IT INTRODUCES A LIMIT OF FOUR ROOMS PER UNIT, IS THAT CORRECT, MR. DIRECTOR? FOUR DORMITORY UNITS PER PLAID LOT.

AND WHAT IS THE SIZE OF A DORMITORY UNIT, JUST TO UNDERSTAND? UM, WE DON'T, IS IT LIKE A TRADITIONAL ROOM? YEAH, A DORMITORY IS TYPICALLY ANYWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND 300 SQUARE FEET, AND THEY MAY OR MAY NOT INCLUDE A RESTROOM.

UM, BUT THAT'S, UM, WHAT THE TYPICAL SIZE IS.

AND, AND HOW DOES THAT COMPARE, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THE AVERAGE HOME ON A LOT LIKE THIS, UH, HOW MANY ROOMS WOULD AN AVERAGE HOME IN A HOU A LOT LIKE THIS HAVE WITH THE ALLOWABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE UNDER THE CODE? MOST HOMES ARE TYPICALLY UP TO FOUR BEDROOMS, INCLUDING AS WELL AS A KITCHEN AND BATHROOMS AND, AND FAMILY ROOM.

SO THIS IS, THIS SETS A LIMIT, UM, OF UP TO, UM, FOR, FOR, FOR THESE ROOMS PER PLANET LOT.

UH, SO IT'S KIND OF CONTEXTUAL WITH WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED OTHERWISE GENERALLY AT, WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME? THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, I KNOW AT ONE POINT THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ROOFTOP ACTIVATIONS, UH, AND I THINK A NUMBER OF US FELT VERY STRONGLY ABOUT ROOFTOP ACTIVATIONS.

HAS THIS BEEN ELIMINATED FROM THE ORDINANCE IN THE OVERLAY? THERE IS NO PROHIBITION ON ROOFTOP ACTIVATION, NO.

OH, THERE'S NO PROHIBITION? I DON'T BELIEVE SO LET ME, I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS THIS ITEM MOVES FORWARD, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IF IT MOVES FORWARD THAT WE MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THERE ARE NO, THE, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND WE NEED TO PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF THIS, OF THIS AREA.

UM, AND WE TRUST THAT THE, THAT THE USE WILL BE A RESPECTFUL USE, BUT AT THE SAME POINT, WE NEED TO PUT THE PROPER SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, UH, THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TODAY DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING ADDRESSING ROOFTOP USES.

THE, THE PREVIOUS EXCEPTIONS THAT WERE PROPOSED FOR ROOFTOP ACCESS AND ROOFTOP DECKS, THOSE HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE OVERLAY.

HOWEVER, TO YOUR POINT, IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, IT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE SENSE TO ADD A SPECIFIC PROVISION REGARDING NO ROOFTOP ACCESS.

SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION.

A PREVIOUS VERSION OF THIS ORDINANCE HAD ACCESS TO THE ROOF.

THAT LANGUAGE HAS BEEN DELETED, BUT IT, I THINK THIS COMMITTEE, IF THE ITEM DOES MOVE FORWARD, WE SHOULD MOVE IT FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF LIMITING, UH, ROOFTOP, UH, ACCESS.

UM, NOW THIS, THIS ORDINANCE, THIS AMENDMENT, CAN IT APPLY TO ANY PROPERTY OR IS IT LIMITED ONLY TO PROPERTIES FRONTING THE OVERLAY TO HAVE THE TOTAL AGGREGATION OF THREE LOTS? IT COULD APPLY TO ANY PROPERTY WITHIN THE OVERLAY.

UM, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT YOU AGGREGATE A MINIMUM

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NUMBER OF LOTS.

SO THE, UM, THE REGULATIONS IN THE PROPOSED OVERLAY, THE REVISED REGULATIONS WOULD APPLY TO ANY PROPERTY IN THE OVERLAY REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY LOTS THEY HAVE AGGREGATED.

BECAUSE WHAT I'M SEEING HERE, IT SAYS DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, UH, FOR DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF TWO OR MORE PLOTTED LOTS IN THE 40TH STREET OVERLAY.

AND WHEN I MET WITH THE INTERESTED PARTY, UH, IT WAS INDICATED TO ME THAT THIS WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THOSE THAT HAVE TWO OR MORE, UH, PLOTTED LOTS.

SO I JUST WANT TO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS AS NARROWLY TAILORED, UH, TO CONFORM TO THE INTENT OF THIS EXPRESS TO ME.

SO I, I DO WANT TO AVOID SETTING AN UNINTENDED PRECEDENT.

I MEAN, WE COULD ADD THAT FOR, UM, FOR CLARITY, BUT AS DRAFTED, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WOULD LIMIT THIS TO SOLELY PROPERTIES THAT AGGREGATE TWO OR MORE LOTS, BUT WE COULD ADD THAT PROVISION THAT THIS, I WOULD JUST MAKE SURE JUST FOR, JUST FOR CLARITY.

UM, ALRIGHT.

WITH THAT I'LL PASS PASS IT ALONG TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR COMMENTS.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UM, WHEN YOU SAY DORMITORY, THAT MEANS BEDROOM.

IT'S NOT DORMITORY LIKE WITH FOUR BUNK BEDS, IT'S A BEDROOM.

UM, IT COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE MORE THAN ONE BED.

UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO FURTHER CLARIFY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD INCLUDE AS WELL.

YEAH, SO MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF, OF FINDING A HAPPY SOLUTION, BUT MY CONCERN IS THIS IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT UPZONING FOR WHAT IS A, A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO I DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME EFFECTIVELY A HOTEL WHERE YOU'VE GOT FOUR OR EIGHT PEOPLE PER ROOM.

UM, I DON'T SEE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, THE PARKING PLAN IS.

UM, I KNOW THERE ARE PARKING LOTS NEARBY, BUT STILL, IS THERE GONNA BE LIKE A CHECKOUT, A CHECK IN PERIOD? WHAT IS THE CHANGEOVER GOING TO BE? IS IT GONNA BE FOR PEOPLE WHO STAY FOR A WEEKEND OR A MONTH OR A YEAR? LIKE I THINK THOSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT, THAT I NEED TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

UM, MADAM, MADAM VICE, SIR.

BUT LET ME, LEMME JUST SUGGEST THAT, THAT ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS WITH THIS ORDINANCE BY VIRTUE OF BEING PART OF THE OVERLAY IS A MATTER OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

IS THAT CORRECT, MR. ATTORNEY? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ARE RAISING, WHILE THERE ARE VERY GOOD POINTS, AND I THINK THERE ARE POINTS THAT DO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, THOSE FALL UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING BOARD AT THE TIME OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE THAT RELATES MORE TO AN OPERATIONAL PLAN.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.

SO, YEAH, SO THANK YOU.

I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS NOT STRUCTURED SO LOOSELY THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT IS WELL INTENDED IN THIS INSTANCE WITH A GOOD, THOUGHTFUL OPERATOR SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO PICK UP AND MOVE TO FIJI.

AND THERE'S NOW THIS FACILITY AVAILABLE, HAVING SOMEBODY ELSE COME IN WHO IS NOT A GOOD OPERATOR, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT THIS IN, IN THE LAND USE REGULATIONS.

UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT OPENING OURSELVES UP TO SOMETHING WE CAN'T ROLL BACK.

IS THERE A WAY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE SAFEGUARDS THROUGH THE LEGIS, THROUGH THE LEGISLATION? MR. SURE.

WE COULD CREATE A DEFINITION FOR DORMITORY AND WE COULD INCLUDE A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF BEDS WITHIN A DORMITORY UNIT, IF THAT WAS THE, UM, THE DIRECTION OF THE COMMITTEE.

I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

UH, I THINK, I THINK IT'S BETTER.

AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS AN OVERLAY, UM, THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A BUFFER BETWEEN COMMERCIAL ZONING AND RESIDENTIAL ZONING.

AND IS, AND ITS INTENT IS TO PRESERVE THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA WHILE ACCOMMODATING RELIGIOUS USES.

AND I THINK THIS IS CERTAINLY AN IMPORTANT RELIGIOUS USE AND I THINK IT'S JUST GOOD TO HAVE THAT SAFEGUARD.

WE CAN, THE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, CAN CERTAINLY MOVE FORWARD.

BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY IN ADDITION TO LIMITING THE ROOFTOP ACTIVITY, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE CLEARLY DEFINED WHAT IS A DORMITORY SO THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH, YOU KNOW, A HOTEL OR HOSTILE USE OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF, OF TRANSIENT USE THAT MIGHT BE NON-CONFORMING TO THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF LIFE AND TO NONCONFORMING TO THE INTENT OF THE RELIGIOUS OVERLAY ITSELF.

SEEING NONE IN PERSON, NONE ON ZOOM, UH, WITH THE COMMENTS, UH, AND THE AMENDMENTS PROFFERED IS THERE.

WITHOUT ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FROM THE DAIS, ARE THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IF YOU'RE ON ZOOM, FEEL FREE TO RAISE YOUR HAND ON ZOOM.

IF YOU'RE IN PERSON, FEEL FREE TO APPROACH THE PODIUM.

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I'M, I'D LIKE TO MOVE IT.

THE ITEM'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER SUAREZ.

I'LL SECOND THE ITEM.

UH, AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST IS THAT, UH, AS THIS MOVES FORWARD, UM, THAT THE COMMUNITY BE PROVIDED, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY JUST TO FORWARD ANY QUESTIONS TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UM, AND THAT WE MAKE SURE, I KNOW THIS IS A RESIDENCE RIGHT TO KNOW ITEM.

LET, LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, THEY'VE BEEN VERY RESPECTFUL THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, UM, AND THAT, AND THAT THEY'RE PROVIDED THE PROPER NOTICE, UH, SO THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THE, OF THE LEGISLATION.

IF I MAY, THROUGH THE CHAIR, YES.

I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A, UM, A, A LAPSE HERE BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT INFORMED.

IT IS A RESIDENTS RIGHT TO KNOW ACT AND THE, THE HOA DID NOT GET ANY INFORMATION, SO SOMEHOW THAT DIDN'T WORK AND IT NEEDS TO GOING FORWARD.

WITH THAT, WE CAN SHOW THE ITEM ADOPTED.

UH, NEXT STEP IS FOR THERE TO BE A REFERRAL.

UM, IS FOR THERE TO BE A REFERRAL AT COMMISSIONED FOR THIS TO GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THAT WILL BE AT THE JUNE MEETING? PROBABLY JULY, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE AND THEN WE HAVE TO DRAFT THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE PRINT DEADLINE.

UH, WELL, THE, THE DEADLINE FOR REVIEW BY THE MANAGER HAS ALREADY PASSED.

AND SO BY THE TIME WE GET THAT IT'LL PROBABLY BE THE JULY MEETING.

SO, SO, SO FOR THOSE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO, WHO ARE WATCHING OR, OR ATTENDING IN PER IN PERSON, UH, THE NEXT STEP FOR THIS WOULD BE A REFERRAL TO THE PLANNING BOARD.

AND THAT REFERRAL WILL PROBABLY APPEAR IN THE JULY, UH, COMMISSION MEETING? THAT'S CORRECT.

WE CAN CALL ITEM NUMBER 22.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, WITH THAT

[22. CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO NOTICE REQUIREMENTS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO FACILITATE RESCHEDULING OF LAND USE BOARD MEETINGS IN THE EVENT THAT A MEETING IS CANCELED DUE TO A LACK QUORUM; AND DISCUSS AMENDMENTS TO LAND USE BOARD MEMBER ATTENDANCE REQUIREMENTS.]

COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, VICE MAYOR, WELCOME.

ITEM NUMBER 22 IS CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO NOTICE REQUIREMENTS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO FACILITATE RESCHEDULING OF LAND USE BOARD MEETINGS IN THE EVENT THAT A MEETING IS CANCELED DUE TO A LACK OF QUORUM AND DISCUSS AMENDMENTS TO LAND USE BOARD MEMBER ATTENDANCE REQUIREMENTS.

THIS IS YOUR COMMISSIONER, YOUR THIS IS YOUR ITEM.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO INTRODUCE YOUR ITEM.

THANKS.

I'LL HAVE TOM TEE IT UP.

22.

THIS IS A, UM, THIS IS A PROPOSAL THAT WOULD, UM, AMEND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, UM, FOR TWO AREAS.

THE FIRST WOULD BE TO CREATE, UM, A BETTER, UM, SET OF OPERATIONAL STANDARDS FOR CANCELED OR RESCHEDULED MEETINGS.

RIGHT NOW, UM, WHENEVER A LAND USE BOARD MEETING IS CANCELED OR THEY DON'T GET THROUGH THE WHOLE AGENDA, THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING THAT AN ITEM IS AUTOMATICALLY MOVED.

BUT THIS WOULD CODIFY THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR LAND USE BOARD MEETINGS THAT ARE CANCELED OR RESCHEDULE AFTER THE AGENDA ITEMS HAVE BEEN NOTICED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPROPRIATE SECTIONS.

ALL THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA OF THE CANCELED OR RESCHEDULED MEETING SHALL AUTOMATICALLY BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA OF THE NEXT LAND USE BOARD MEETING AT LEAST FIVE DAYS PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.

A COURTESY NOTICE FOR THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT WERE CANCELED OR RESCHEDULED SHALL BE PROVIDED ON A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE WEBSITE.

THE SECOND PART OF THE PROPOSAL, UH, PERTAINS TO THE REMOVAL OF A, UM, LAND USE BOARD, UH, MEMBER.

UM, AND RIGHT NOW, IF A LAND USE BOARD MEMBER FAILS TO ATTEND THREE OF THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETINGS PER CALENDAR YEAR, THEY ARE AUTOMATICALLY REMOVED FROM THE BOARD.

THE SPONSOR HAS PROPOSED TO REDUCE THIS TO TWO REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETINGS.

THIS PART OF THE PROPOSAL IS NOT RECOMMENDED BY THE ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE THIS COULD RESULT IN GAPS IN BOARD MEMBERS, UM, PARTICULARLY SINCE IT CAN SOMETIMES TAKE A COUPLE OF MONTHS FOR, UH, BOARD MEMBERS TO GET REAPPOINTED BY THE COMMISSION.

AND SO THE ADMINISTRATION'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RESCHEDULED MEETINGS SECTION, BUT NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REDUCING THE NUMBER OF PERMITTED ABSENCES FROM THREE TO TWO.

ALSO, TOM, UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE ALSO HAVE AN ALTERNATE MEMBER.

WE, UM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ESTABLISHING AN ALTERNATE MEMBER, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE AN ALTERNATE MEMBER CURRENTLY.

AND, AND I'M, AND I'D LIKE TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, THAT IT'S, UH, IT'S SUSTAINABLE FOR, FOR BUSINESS OWNERS AND RESIDENTS TO RELY ON, UH, ON THE BOARD ACTUALLY MEETING FOR FORM.

UH, SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS HAS, IS A RESULT OF THE DRB.

THEY HAVE MISSED QUORUM, UM, I THINK LAST YEAR MANY TIMES.

UM, AND THAT HAS RESULTED IN A, A LOT OF HEARTBREAK FOR SOME OF THE BUSINESSES AND HOMEOWNERS WHO, WHO, WHO RELY ON THE DRB FOR, FOR APPROVAL PROCESSES.

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UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME DRB MEMBERS WHO, WHO MISSED MORE THAN THREE, UH, AND ARE STILL SOMEHOW ON THE BOARD.

AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHOEVER WE PUT ON THESE BOARDS HAVE, UM, ARE, ARE COMMITTED TO TO, TO ATTENDING.

I THINK SINCE I'VE BROUGHT THIS IDEA FORWARD, THE BOARD HAS CHANGED.

UM, I THINK THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT MEMBERS ON NOW, AND ATTENDANCE HAS BEEN A HUNDRED PERCENT.

UM, SO, UH, I'M OKAY WITH NOT MOVING FORWARD ON THE SECOND PART, UM, THE ALTERNATE MEMBER, UH, AND I WANTED TO SEE WHAT MY COLLEAGUES THINK ABOUT THIS, WHERE IF THERE IS A, A, A SITUATION WHERE A BOARD MEMBER IS NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE IT, AND THERE IS AN ALTERNATE THAT COULD BE CALLED ON, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MY COLLEAGUES WOULD FEEL ABOUT THAT.

I THINK, UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, MEMBERS SERVE IN SEATS OFTENTIMES THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO A TRADE, UH, WHETHER IT BE AN ATTORNEY, UH, IN THE BO OA WE HAVE ACCOUNTANTS, UH, WE HAVE PLANNERS.

AT ONE POINT WE HAD WATER OR QUALITY EXPERTS MM-HMM .

UH, UH, CERTAIN ON CERTAIN BOARDS, UM, WHERE THEY'RE NOT JUST A PERSON THAT IS SITTING THERE AND VOTING, BUT THEY'RE A PERSON WITH A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE.

AND IF THAT INDIVIDUAL IS GONNA BE ABSENT AND IS GONNA CAUSE A QUORUM ISSUE, HAVING AN ALTERNATE MEMBER MIGHT NOT UNNECESSARILY DO JUSTICE TO THE SUBSTANCE THAT THE MEMBER THAT'S GOING TO BE ABSENT, YOU KNOW, BRINGS, UM, WELL, WE COULD HAVE AN ALTERNATE FOR THAT SEAT.

I, I UNDERSTAND THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MUCH, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A BIT MUCH, I THINK.

I THINK SO.

I I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT.

UM, I, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT, UH, ABOUT IT.

UM, AND IMAGINE THERE, THERE ARE BOARDS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A REAL ESTATE EXPERT ON, ON THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD YOU HAVE.

UM, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER CATEGORIES WE HAVE ON THE PLANNING BOARD? YOU HAVE GENERAL BUSINESS, YOU HAVE ENGINEERING, YOU HAVE REAL ESTATE, YOU HAVE, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, URBAN DESIGN.

DIRECTOR, UH, OUT OF RESPECT TO OUR COLLEAGUE COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE, HE HAS ITEM NUMBER NINE ON THE AGENDA.

UM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

AND SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE EXPERTS ON EACH ONE OF THOSE, AS IT IS, IS HARD TO FILL THE VACANCIES THAT WE HAVE WITH QUALITY IN, IN INDIVIDUALS.

I MEAN, FOR US IT'S GREAT BECAUSE IT'S ANOTHER SEAT TO APPOINT TO, AND THERE'S ALWAYS INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO SERVE ON THESE BOARDS.

AND WE, AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS PEOPLE THAT WANNA SERVE ON THEM, BUT DO THEY HAVE THE SPECIFIC EXPERTISE TO FILL A SPECIFIC SEAT? WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE ALTERNATE WOULD BE.

YEAH, THAT'S OKAY.

I MEAN, IT'S, MAYBE WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

I DON'T THINK SO.

THAT'S FINE.

SO I'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PART A, UM, AND, UM, WITHDRAW PART B FOR, FOR THIS, FOR THIS ITEM.

I'D LIKE TO, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE DAY IS ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.

I'D, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE ITEM.

I'LL SECOND THE ITEM.

ARE THERE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE IN PERSON, SEEING NONE IN ZOOM, WE CAN SHOW THE ITEM ADOPTED BY ACCLIMATION.

WITH THAT, MR.

[9. DISCUSS SETTING PARAMETERS FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO PRESENT CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS TO THE CITY ADMINISTRATION AND CITY COMMISSION, AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO INVOKING THE PREEMPTIONS IN THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, TO ENCOURAGE LONG-TERM NON-TRANSIENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT (INCLUDING WORKFORCE HOUSING) THAT IS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.]

HE'S JOINING US TODAY, SO I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THAT ITEM.

FROM OUR RESIDENTS AS WE LOOK AT AFFORDABILITY, THERE'S SIMPLY NO OTHER WAY TO HELP.

LET ME JUST PULL THAT OUT.

THIS IS ITEM NINE.

UH, DISCUSS SETTING PARAMETERS FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO PRESENT CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS TO THE CITY ADMINISTRATION AND CITY COMMISSION AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO INVOKING THE PREEMPTIONS IN THE LIVE LOCAL ACT TO ENCOURAGE LONG-TERM NON-TRANSIENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING WORKFORCE HOUSING THAT IS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND MR. MAGAZINE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO INTRODUCE YOUR ITEM.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

AND, UH, FULL DISCLOSURE, WHEN I THOUGHT OF THIS ITEM, UH, IT WAS BEFORE THE NEW ITERATION OF THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, AND I'VE BEEN TOSSING BACK AND FORTH IN MY HEAD IF IT'S, IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS MORE NEEDED AND APPLICABLE NOW OR, UH, HAS TO BE TOTALLY RETHOUGHT AND REVAMPED.

WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS IS WE ALL RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO FACILITATE, UH, HOUSING, LONG-TERM RESIDENTIAL HOUSING.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALL HEARD

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UM, VERY PRESSURED, UH, POPULACE, UH, WITH HOUSING BEING ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE LEADING, UH, ATTRIBUTIONS TO LACK OF AFFORDABILITY.

AND THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS INCREASING SUPPLY.

AND TALLAHASSEE ESSENTIALLY, UH, TOOK A LOT OF THOSE DECISIONS OUT OF OUR HANDS.

AND THIS WAS ESSENTIALLY LOOKING TO CREATE AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WOULD BE MORE IN SCALE WITH OUR CITY.

AND LET ME USE AN AN EXAMPLE, UH, LINKING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS ITERATION OF LIVE LOCAL.

IF WE WERE PREEMPTED AS A CITY AND LET'S SAY A LONG ALTON ROAD, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, A LIVE LOCAL PROJECT WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO BE BUILT UP TO 200 FEET OR 175 FEET, WE COULD SET SOME SORT OF PARAMETERS IN CONJUNCTION WITH CITY STAFF AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WHILE WE RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO FACILITATE, UH, RESIDENTIAL HOUSING, 200 FOOT BUILDING ON ALTON ROAD IS JUST OUT OF SCALE AND OUT OF CHARACTER WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THAT IN MIAMI BEACH.

UH, BUT LET'S WORK WITH, UH, THE PROJECT SPONSOR AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING MORE IN SCALE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, LIVE LOCAL WOULD BE 60% MARKET RATE, 40% WORKFORCE HOUSING.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN VERY SIMPLISTICALLY A QUICK CALCULATION, YOU COULD SAY, OKAY, IF A DEVELOPER HAS THE ABILITY TO BUILD, UM, 200 FEET UNDER LIVE LOCAL, LET'S LOOK AT JUST GRANTING HIM THE ABILITY TO DO 60% OF THAT, UH, OF ALL MARKET RATE.

AND WHILE PERHAPS THE WORKFORCE HOUSING APARTMENTS WOULDN'T BE INCLUDED, THE NUMBER ONE DRIVER OF, UH, PRICE POINTS IN OUR CITY IS GOING TO BE LOCATION.

AND THESE WOULDN'T BE WATERFRONT APARTMENTS AND, UH, APARTMENTS THAT WOULD BE BUILT ON ALTON ROAD OR, OR WASHINGTON AVENUE OR EVEN LINCOLN ROAD.

THEY WOULD BE AT A MORE PRICE ACCESSIBLE AND AFFORDABLE POINT.

SO IT WOULD BE A WAY TO ESSENTIALLY FACILITATE A PROCESS WHERE, UH, YES, WE HAD LIVED LOCAL, JAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS, UH, BUT WE WOULD DO SOMETHING MORE IN CHARACTER, MORE IN SCALE WITH OUR CITY INSTEAD OF LOSING IT ALL TOGETHER.

UH, HOWEVER, A HUGE WRENCH WAS THROWN INTO THAT, UM, AS THE CURRENT ITERATION OF LIVE LOCAL HAS BEEN PASSED.

AND WHEN I OPENED UP AND SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF A MEASURE LIKE THIS IS MORE NEEDED OR IS NOT EVEN FEASIBLE RIGHT NOW, IS BECAUSE THE AREA THAT I'VE, UH, HIGHLIGHTED ALONG ALTON ROAD RIGHT NOW UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL, AND TOM, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UM, A DEVELOPER WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD 519 FEET, RIGHT? AND WE HAVE THIS KIND OF MISNOMER THAT, WELL, THESE PROJECTS AREN'T, UH, FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE IF A DEVELOPER ALREADY OWNS LAND AT A VERY LOW COST BASIS.

AND THERE'S A DEVELOPER IN OUR CITY THAT HAVE, HAS SUBMITTED MANY APPLICATIONS THAT, UH, HIS LAND COST IS VERY LOW 'CAUSE HIS FAMILY HAS OWNED THEM FOR A LONG TIME.

THESE PROJECTS ARE FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE, RIGHT? IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RENTS THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO OBTAIN UNDER LIVE LOCAL FOR A STUDIO BEDROOM, I THINK IT'S APPROACHING 25 OR 2,600.

AND FOR A THREE BEDROOM, YOU'RE LOOKING UPWARDS OF ALMOST 3,500 OR 3,900 UNDER THE NEW, UM, FANNIE AND FREDDIE GUIDELINES.

AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY BEING SUBSIDIZED.

AND IF YOU'RE ABLE TO BUILD 519 FEET UNDER MARKET RATE, UH, AND THEN JUST BREAK EVEN ON THE LIVE LOCAL PORTION, THAT IS VERY PROFITABLE.

AND, UH, I THINK WE'D BE REMISS TO SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE ANY OF THESE PROJECTS 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.

SO TOM, I'LL KICK IT OVER TO YOUR STAFF AND, AND KIND OF, UH, LET THE COMMITTEE, UH, TALK ABOUT THIS.

IT, IT'S A THOUGHT.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE MOVE ON THIS OR WE JUST KIND OF, UH, ASK CITY STAFF TO EVALUATE WHAT POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVES WOULD BE.

UM, BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE, UH, AN INCREDIBLE BURDEN ON OUR CITY.

WE COULD TALK ABOUT OTHER LITIGANTS, UM, FOR THIS, BUT THIS IS ONE THING WHERE IT'S TRYING TO THREAD THE NEEDLE WHERE IF WE DO LOSE THE BATTLE AND THESE PROJECTS ARE KIND OF COMING DOWN THE PIKE, A A WAY TO SOFTEN THAT BLOW.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD LOOKED AT AS PART OF THIS ITEM, UM, IS WHAT OTHER OPTIONS WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE COMMISSION SHOULD THEY WANTED TO EXERCISE SOME LATITUDE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO A LIVE LOCAL PROJECT.

UM, A COUPLE OF OPTIONS THAT WE CAME UP WITH WERE, ONE, THE, THE COMMISSION COULD ESTABLISH A WAIVER PROVISION WITH REGARD TO CERTAIN TYPES OF ELEMENTS LIKE BUILDING HEIGHT, PARKING.

THE OTHER THING THAT THEY COULD ESTABLISH WOULD BE A WARRANT PROCESS AS IT RELATES TO FAR.

AND THESE WOULD BE DONE ON A

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PROPERTY BY PROPERTY CASE BY CASE BASIS, DEPENDING UPON WHAT THE ELEMENTS OF THE PROJECT ARE, WHETHER OR NOT, FOR INSTANCE, THEY'RE WILLING TO AGREE BY COVENANT THAT ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS WILL BE NON-TRANSIENT IN PERPETUITY.

THAT THEY WILL BE GEARED TOWARD THE, UM, TYPE OF HOUSING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WHETHER IT BE ATTAINABLE HOUSING OR WHETHER IT BE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF WORKFORCE HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

BUT THAT WOULD ALLOW THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT OPTIONS LIKE THAT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

THE ONE THING WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND AT THIS TIME WOULD BE TO AMEND CERTAIN SECTIONS OF THE CODE TO INCREASE, UH, BUILDING HEIGHT AND FAR IN RESPONSE TO WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A LIVE LOCAL PROJECT IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES WOULD BE VIABLE.

IT COULD BE THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, IF WE SEE A LARGE NUMBER OF LIVE LOCAL PROJECTS CONCENTRATED WITHIN A CERTAIN AREA OF THE CITY, IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO FINE TUNE THE ZONING REGULATIONS SO THAT YOU COULD STILL ACHIEVE THE GOAL OF GETTING MORE ATTAINABLE TYPE HOUSING WITHOUT THE BURDEN OF HAVING TO ADHERE TO THE MORE STRICTER REQUIREMENTS FOR WORKFORCE OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

BUT AT THIS TIME, THAT'S NOT A BROAD CODE AMENDMENT THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND.

LEMME JUST ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE PART OF THE CONCERN WITH, UH, WITH LIVE LOCAL OF COURSE, AS BEEN AS IT'S BEEN WELL, UM, DESCRIBED BY COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE IS THE FACT, OKAY, ALONG ELTON ROAD WE COULD END UP WITH THESE VERY TALL BUILDINGS, HOWEVER, WHILE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION AND THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO INVOKE LIVE LOCAL, DOES THAT RIGHT YIELD AN APPROVAL OR DO THEY NEED TO MEET OTHER CRITERIA IN ORDER TO GET THEIR DEVELOPMENT APPROVED? SO, UM, IF WHAT IT'S GONNA HINGE ON IS WHETHER THERE'S AVAILABLE INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY ON THAT PARTICULAR SITE.

SO, UM, SO, AND THIS, THIS APPLIES PRIMARILY TO WATER AND SEWER.

SO IF THERE IS NOT AVAILABLE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHAT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT SAYS IS YOU'RE ENTITLED TO ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL IF YOUR PROJECT COMPLIES WITH LIVE LOCAL ACT AND OTHERWISE COMPLIES WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THAT LAST PART OTHERWISE APPLIES WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, MEANS THAT THERE HAS TO BE AVAILABLE INFRASTRUCTURE.

UM, IF THERE ISN'T, THEN, THEN THEN WE CAN NEGOTIATE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO A SIZE THAT IS MORE APPROPRIATE, THAT WOULD MEET THE CAPACITY THAT OUR CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE IS ABLE TO HANDLE.

WE, WHAT WE, WELL, WHAT WE CAN DO IS THAT AT THAT POINT THEY WOULD NOT BE ENTITLED TO ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.

SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REGULAR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW BOARD PROCESS.

AND THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE WITH A PROPERTY OWNER.

STAFF WILL GIVE THEM, YOU KNOW, ROUND, UH, ROUNDS OF FEEDBACK AND, AND COMMENTS AND THEY'LL HAVE TO RESPOND TO THOSE COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER SUAREZ.

BUT THE WAY I SEE IT IS IF IF THEY DON'T MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS, THEN THEY LIVE LOCAL PROJECT IS NOT POSSIBLE.

AND AT WHAT, WHY DO WE NEED TO NEGOTIATE IF IT'S NOT POSSIBLE? WELL, BECAUSE WHAT, BECAUSE AT THAT, AT THAT POINT WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT YOU ARE ENTITLED TO THE LIVE LOCAL.

WHAT IT DOES IS A MATTER OF PROCEDURE, IT GIVES PROPERTY RIGHTS, BUT IT ALSO CHANGES PROCEDURE.

AND SO, AND SO, AND CORRECT ME MR. ATTORNEY IF I'M WRONG, BUT, UM, IF YOU DON'T MEET THE CAPACITY INFRASTRUCTURE, THEN YOU NO LONGER APPLY FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.

UH, THE CITY CAN SUBJECT YOU NOW TO, TO A DIFFERENT PROCESS.

IS THAT A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW? THAT'S LAW'S, RIGHT.

BUT IF, IF THEY CAN'T MEET, IF, IF THEY CAN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT RELATES TO INFRASTRUCTURE, THEN WHAT, WHAT'S STARTED TO NEGOTIATE ANYWAYS? WELL, YOU CAN NEGOTIATE A MORE MODERATELY DESIGNED BUILDING THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO MEET THE CAPACITY OF THE AVAILABLE INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND, AND IT'S NOT A NEGOTIATION, IT'S NOT A TRANSACTION, IT'S NOT A TRANSACTION LIKE WE WOULD ENGAGE IN FOR, FOR CITY PROPERTY.

UM, BUT RATHER IT'S, IT'S THE NORMAL DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS WHERE YOU'RE SUBMITTING A BOARD APPLICATION AND, AND STAFF PROVIDES.

THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THOSE OPTIONS.

AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF THEY CAN'T MEET, IF, IF A DEVELOPER CAN'T MEET OR AN APPLICANT CAN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, AND THEY WANT, AND OKAY, WELL THEN THEY CAN'T.

RIGHT? SO, SO WHY WOULD WE ENTERTAIN, UH, A NEGOTIATION IF THEY, THEY CAN'T AT, AT, AT THE, AT THE VERY FIRST STEP, THEY CAN'T EVEN APPLY FOR THIS PROPERTY.

THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.

I SEE THE CITY ATTORNEY WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE ON THAT COMMISSIONER BOT.

SO GENERALLY AN APPLICANT HAS THE OPTION OF EITHER PAYING, UH, MITIGATION OR MAKING THE REQUIRED IMPROVEMENT.

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OH, OKAY.

SO, SO, SO IF THEY, AT, IF THEY, IF THERE'S A SITE AND THEY CANNOT, AS IT STANDS, CANNOT MEET THE INFRASTRUCTURE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY NEED TO PUT IN A LIFT STATION RIGHT? A, A PUMP, UM, THEY WOULD DO THAT AND THEN THEY WOULD BE APPROVED.

WE WOULD, WELL THEY, FIRST OF ALL, WE WOULD, WE WOULD, WE WOULD, UM, SO THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE REGULAR BOARD REVIEW PROCESS.

SO THEY COULDN'T BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.

UM, AND THEN PRIOR TO THE ISSUE OF THE BUILDING PERMIT, THEY WOULD EITHER HAVE TO MAKE THE REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS OR, OR PAY MITIGATION.

BUT WHY WOULD THEY BE SUBJECT TO A BOARD APPROVAL PROCESS? BECAUSE WHAT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT ACT SAYS IS THAT YOU'RE ENTITLED TO ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL IF YOU SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ACT AND YOU OTHERWISE SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LOCAL COMP PLAN.

UM, AND THAT IT'S THE COMP PLAN IS, AND IF YOU DON'T, AND IF YOU DON'T SATISFY THE COMP PLAN, THEN WHAT HAPPENS THEN YOU DON'T GET ADMIN, YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.

THEN WHAT HAPPENS? WELL, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO INVOKE DEVELOPERS STILL GONNA INVOKE THE OTHER PROVISIONS OF THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, BUT AT LEAST AT THAT POINT THEY'LL GO THROUGH THE BACK AND FORTH.

THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT BOARD REVIEW PROCESS.

SO, SO THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO MAKE, UM, AMENDS TO COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INFRASTRUCTURE WISE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE COMP PLAN.

AND THAT, THAT THAT REQUIRES BOARD APPROVAL PROCESS? NO, WHAT IT'S, WHAT IT IS, IS THAT LIVE LOCAL SAYS IF YOUR PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE COMP IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN MM-HMM .

THAT YOU'RE ENT THAT YOU CAN, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.

WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IF IF THE PROJECT WOULD NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED LEVELS OF SERVICE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMP PLAN, THEN YOU DON'T GET ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.

YOU CAN STILL INVOKE THE PREEMPTIONS IN THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, BUT YOU WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE NORMAL BACK AND FORTH PROCESS OF GOING BEFORE THE DRB OR THE H PB BUT NOT A COMMISSION APPROVAL.

NO.

AND THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE THE NEGOTIATION HAPPENS, IS WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? YEAH, THE THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE NORMAL LAND REVIEW PROCESS.

BECAUSE EVEN, EVEN, OKAY, LET'S SAY THEY COME IN AND THEY SAY, OKAY, WE'RE WILLING TO PUT A PUMP STATION, IT'S NO LONGER AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AND WE'RE NOW ABLE TO GO BACK BEFORE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

IS THAT RIGHT NICK? WITH OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND, UH, AND THIS PUBLIC PROCESS, RIGHT.

AND WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY FORCED TO APPROVE 500 FOOT BUILDING.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN WORK WITH A DEVELOPER AND FIND A MEDIUM.

WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT, EACH PROJECT WILL BE REVIEWED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT A DEVELOPER CAN STILL INVOKE PREEMPTIONS IN THE RIGHT.

SO I JUST WANT TO WALK THIS THROUGH, UH, HYPOTHETICALLY, UM, SUBMITS AN APPLICATION, INVOKES LIVE LOCAL PREEMPTIONS, HOWEVER, NEEDS TO MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA FOR THE COMP PLAN AS IT RELATES TO INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND WE WANNA NEGOTIATE WITH THE DEVELOPER TO BRING DOWN A LOWER, A LOWER HEIGHT.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF THE NEGOTIATION PART, DOES THAT REQUIRE A COMMISSION APPROVAL? WOULD WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON THAT? OR IS, OR WHAT COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ IS UH, SUGGESTING IS JUST AMENDING THE PROCESS FOR WHICH, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UH, UH, UH, COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? UM, I WOULD SAY THAT IT, IT'S, WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK MORE LIKE IS THAT THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT, UH, DESIGN TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THAT, UH, PLANNING WILL GIVE THEM FEEDBACK BASED ON THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT APPLY FOR THE BOARDS.

I DON'T, I WANNA BE SENSITIVE, SENSITIVE WITH THE WORD NEGOTIATION.

'CAUSE AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT TRANSACTIONAL MATTERS.

THEY'RE STILL, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE A REGULATORY DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PROCESS.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE MAY, WHILE WE MAY HAVE SOME LEEWAY AS FAR AS THE DESIGN OF A PROJECT OVERALL MASSING OF A PROJECT, A DEVELOPER CAN STILL INVOKE THE PREEMPTIONS IN THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.

SO, UM, WE ARE GONNA BE REVIEWING THESE ON, ON AN, ON AN INDIVIDUAL PROJECT CASE BY CASE BASIS.

SO, UH, COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO CHIME IN.

SO JUST TO FURTHER SOME OF THOSE POINTS, WHAT WOULD BE COVERED UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SO LET'S CONTINUE USING THIS AS AN EXAMPLE OF ALTON ROAD.

UH, A 500 FOOT APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED.

WHAT WOULD WE LOOK AT TO SEE IF IT WOULD COMPLIES WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SO, TOM, QUESTION IT'S GONNA BE, IT IT IS, IT IS A, IT IS A TOM QUESTION.

IT'S GONNA DEPEND, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ON THE HEIGHT SPECIFICALLY, IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON THE IMPACT OF THAT PROJECT, WHICH IS EITHER BASED ON NUMBER OF UNITS OR,

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OR SQUARE FOOTAGE.

BUT TOM COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT.

BUT YEAH, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, THE EASIEST WAY TO ANSWER IT WOULD BE THIS, THE, UM, IMPACTS ON INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OVERALL HEIGHT.

SO SOMEBODY COULD COME IN WITH A 500, 400 FOOT BUILDING AND THAT'S NOT GONNA HAVE ANY BEARING ON THE, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE.

WHAT DOES HAVE A BEARING ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THE INTENSITY.

AND UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL ACT CURRENTLY, YOU CAN HAVE AN INTENSITY OF UP TO 6.375.

SO IF SOMEBODY ON ALTON ROAD WANTED TO DO AN FAR OF 6.375, REGARDLESS OF THE HEIGHT THAT THEY CHOOSE, THEY COULD PROPOSE THAT.

NOW DEPENDING UPON THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE PROPOSED, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS PROPOSED, THEN OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WOULD DO A VERY DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE NEED FOR POTABLE WATER, THE AVAILABILITY OF POTABLE WATER, WATER PRESSURE, AND THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH STORMWATER RUNOFF AS WELL AS ACCOMMODATE REQUIREMENTS FOR SEWER.

UM, IF IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE INTENSITY PROPOSED COULD NOT BE ACCOMMODATED WITH OUR CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE, WE WOULD MAKE A FINDING OF INCONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THEY WOULD THEN HAVE TO GO TO PUBLIC HEARING, UH, IN TERMS OF QUOTE UNQUOTE NEGOTIATIONS.

WHICH, WHICH, WHAT, WHICH PUBLIC HEARING, IF THEY'RE IN AN HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT WOULD BE THE HV.

GOT IT.

OUTSIDE THEY WOULD GO TO, TO DRB, IT'D BE A LAND USE BOARD.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE PASSING ALONG TO THE STATE.

ALTHOUGH THE LAND USE BOARD COULD THEN, UM, OFFER, UM, GUIDANCE AND FEEDBACK SINCE THEY HAVE TO NOW APPROVE IT REGARDING THE ARCHITECTURE, UM, REGARDING THE DISTRIBUTION OF VOLUME.

BUT AS NICK SAID, BUT WHAT DOESN'T LAND USE, EXCUSE ME, BUT WHAT DOES A LAND USE BOARD HAVE TO DO WITH APPROVING POTABLE WATER? WELL, THAT'S THE OTHER PART.

THE ACTUAL INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD HAVE TO BE DETERMINED BY PUBLIC WORKS.

AND IF IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS JUST NO WAY TO MITIGATE WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING OR THE WHAT WAS NEEDED FOR MITIGATION ENDED UP BEING COST PROHIBITIVE FOR THE DEVELOPER, THEN THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT REDUCING THE INTENSITY, REDUCING THE NUMBER OF UNITS TO SOMETHING THAT COULD EITHER BE MITIGATED OR COULD POTENTIALLY BE ACCOMMODATED BY AVAILABLE INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVE YET TO TAKE AN APPLICATION THROUGH THAT ENTIRE PROCESS.

AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THE MORE OF THESE PROJECTS GET BUILT, THE LESS AND LESS OR THE MORE STRAIN ON INFRASTRUCTURE THERE IS, RIGHT.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE CASE OUTSIDE LEVEL OF ACT.

SO EVEN IF SOMEBODY IS PROPOSING A NEW PROJECT, AS OF RIGHT UNDER CURRENT REGULATIONS, THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A VERY RIGOROUS, UH, REVIEW OF THE IMPACTS OF THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD, AS OF RIGHT, PROJECTS DELAYED IN TERMS OF PERMITTING BECAUSE OF THEIR INABILITY TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY MAKE CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE TO DEAL WITH THAT.

AND, AND IN FACT, OUR, US OURSELVES, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT CERTAIN ZONING TO CREATE MORE HOUSING AVAILABILITY IN OUR CITY, YOU KNOW, BOTH ON LINCOLN ROAD AND WASHINGTON AVENUE, WE'VE, YOU, YOU DE NEED THAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING WHAT IS THE CAPACITY OF THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND IF WE CREATE THE ZONING, WHAT IS THE ADDITIONAL NEED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS SO THAT WE CAN BETTER CONTEMPLATE THAT IN THE, UM, LEGISLATING PROCESS.

AND SO, TOM, IF THEY, IF THEY, IF PUBLIC WORKS DETERMINES THAT IT'S INCONSISTENT AND WE CANNOT MEET THAT DEMAND AGAIN, THEY, THEY CANNOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR LIVE LOCAL PLAN UNLESS THEY BRING DOWN THEIR INTENSITY.

IT, THERE WOULD BE A COUPLE OF THINGS THEY COULD DO.

THEY COULD REDUCE THE LEVEL OF INTENSITY TO MEET WHAT IS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE IN TERMS OF CAPACITY, OR THEY COULD POTENTIALLY MAKE CERTAIN PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS TO INCREASE THAT CAPACITY.

BUT IF THEY COULD NOT, IF THERE WERE JUST NO PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD BE MADE OR THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WERE JUST COST PROHIBITIVE, THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE A CHOICE.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO REDUCE THE CAPACITY.

AND I JUST WANT US TO REMEMBER, I I JUST WANT US TO REMEMBER THIS, THIS BILL STILL HAS NOT BEEN SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR AND WE'RE STILL ACTIVELY LOBBYING, UH, IN AN INTEREST TO TRY TO GET, UH, THIS BILL VETOED.

SO, SO, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE LATEST AMENDMENTS OF SB 1730 AND THE EXPANSION OF THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST ASSUMING SHOULD THEY BE SIGNED, BUT WE ARE STILL ACTIVELY BECAUSE OF THESE GREAT CONCERNS TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

I HAVE ALSO A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN ABOUT THE ADDED INTENSITY, THE ADDED DENSITY AND THE IMPACTS THAT THAT'S GONNA ALREADY HAVE ON, ON ALREADY FAILING EMERGENCY ROUTES, UM, ON INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE DON'T OWN.

THESE ARE STATE OWNED ASSETS THAT ARE OUR EMERGENCY ROUTES THAT ARE ALREADY FAILING.

THAT'S SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT,

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IF COMMISSIONER, UH, THE CHAIR BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT AS FAR AS TRAFFIC.

IS TRAFFIC AT ALL CONSIDERED IN, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? YES, AND WE DO A TRAFFIC EVALUATION AS PART OF EVERY DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

THE PROBLEM IS UNDER STATE LAW, WE CAN'T DENY A PROJECT BECAUSE THEY DON'T MEET TRAFFIC CURRENCY.

WE CAN REQUIRE CERTAIN FORMS OF MITIGATION, PARTICULARLY AT THAT PROPERTY AND POTENTIALLY WITHIN ADJACENT INTERSECTIONS.

BUT UNDER STATE LAW, WE CAN'T DENY A PROJECT BASED UPON THAT PROJECT GENERATING MORE TRAFFIC, WHICH CONTRIBUTES TO FAILING ROADWAYS OR FAILING INTERSECTIONS.

AND TOM, I KNOW YOU'LL SAY IMPOSSIBLE TO JUDGE A HYPOTHETICAL HERE, BUT STILL TRY FOR IT.

DO YOU FEEL AS IF THIS IS AN ADEQUATE SAFEGUARD OR, OR USING THAT SAME EXAMPLE, IF THERE IS A 400, 450 FOOT PROJECT PROPOSED ON ALTON ROAD OF 6.0 FAR, ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO, UH, SQUEEZE IN UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR IS THAT GOING TO BE A SAFEGUARD THAT WE CAN ESSENTIALLY RELY ON? UP UNTIL NOW IT'S BEEN A SAFEGUARD FOR LARGER PROJECTS THAT WERE AS OF RIGHT.

SO I THINK IF YOU START TO SEE MULTIPLE LIVE LOCAL PROJECTS THAT ARE AT THAT TYPE OF FAR NUMBER, YEAH, I THINK THAT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, AND, AND TO YOUR POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE GREATER CONCERN IS THE PRECEDENT SAID BY FIVE PARK FIVE PARK ITSELF, IT WAS CONSTRUCTED THAT NEEDED ITS OWN LIFT STATION BECAUSE IT WASN'T ABLE, THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE WASN'T ABLE TO HANDLE THE CAP, THE, THE CAPACITY NEEDS.

AND SO EVEN THAT HAD TO GO BACK AND THEY HAD TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO ANYONE WHO TRIES TO TAP INTO THAT HEIGHT, LIKELY, I MEAN, WE CAN'T SAY FOR SURE BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL ANALYZED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT IF FIVE PARK, YOU KNOW, NEEDED THAT LIFT STATION AND ALL THAT, IT'S LIKELY THAT OTHER PROJECTS PROBABLY WILL.

YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.

THE, THE CITY BASICALLY IS NOT GONNA APPROVE OR PERMIT A PROJECT THAT'S GONNA RESULT IN A DEGRADATION OF THINGS LIKE WATER PRESSURE OR CAUSE SEWER BACKUP OR RESULT IN FIRE HYDRANTS NOT HAVING ENOUGH PRESSURE.

THOSE ARE CERTAIN THRESHOLD THINGS THAT GET TO BASIC LIFE SAFETY.

AND UNLESS THE DEVELOPER CAN MAKE INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES TO FULLY ADDRESS THAT LIKE THEY DID AT FY PARK, THE PROJECT WON'T BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.

COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE, WHAT DIRECTION WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE THIS ITEM ON? UH, I KNOW THAT THIS ITEM IS IMPORTANT TO, TO YOU AND YOU'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR, FOR A LONG TIME.

SO I I THINK WHERE WE CAN HEAD WITH THIS IS PAUSING ANY TYPE OF LEGISLATION, LEGISLATION, HOWEVER, REALLY ASKING STAFF OR URGING STAFF TO SHARPEN YOUR PENCILS BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE WAIT AND SEE, WAIT AND SEE.

AND THEN WHEN WE'RE FORCED TO ACCEPT THE LOCAL PROJECT IN SOME WAY, THEN IT'S GONNA GET REAL, RIGHT? AND, AND WE CAN'T JUST BE IN BRAINSTORMING MODE AT THAT POINT.

IT'S, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE URGENTLY AND HAVE SOME SORT OF, UH, OUTLINER BASIS IN OUR HEAD BECAUSE, UM, ONCE THESE PLANS GET BAKED, RIGHT, WE SAW THAT IN NORTH BEACH WHERE WE SAID, OH, OKAY, YOU HAVE A 200 FOOT BUILDING, PLEASE MAKE THAT RESIDENTIAL.

WHAT WOULD YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU NEED? NO, SORRY, THOSE PLANS ARE ALREADY DONE.

SO IF A DEVELOPER ALREADY COMES IN AND THEY'VE ALREADY SPENT A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS ON COMING UP WITH SOME OF THESE PLANS, UH, WE'RE KIND OF PAST THE POINT OF NEGOTIATION, SO IT'S A BIT OF A CHICKEN AND THE EGG, SO I'M FINE TO JUST KIND OF PAUSE ON THIS.

UH, I, I JUST, I HOPE IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO BITE US AND I UNDERSTAND OUR APPREHENSION OF TRYING TO NEGOTIATE SOMETHING MORE ACCOMMODATIVE UNTIL ONE OF THESE PROJECTS ACTUALLY COMES TO FRUITION.

ALRIGHT, AND, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE.

COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.

YEAH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF RODNEY FROM PUBLIC WORKS WANTS TO COME UP HERE.

UM, SO THE, I THE QUESTION IS, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IN, IF A PROJECT LIKE THAT CAN SERVE, YOU KNOW, CAN BE APPROVED ON ALTON ROAD OR ANY SORT OF ANY PLACE IN MIAMI BEACH, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR PUBLIC WORKS TO DO AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT IS THE THRESHOLD FOR AN INTENSE, UH, OR, OR AN APPLICATION THAT HAS A CERTAIN INTENSITY OF WHAT, WHAT WAS IT, TOM? 6.3, 6.75 MAX FAR THAT COULD BE PROPOSED WOULD BE 6.3 7 5, 6 0.37 IS CLOSE.

SO YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF STAFF CAN COME UP WITH AT LEAST MAYBE FOR ALTON, SINCE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT

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ALTON.

UM, SOUTH OF FIFTH, WE'RE ALREADY DOING ONE FOR WASHINGTON AVENUE AND LINCOLN ROAD, BUT MAYBE A COUPLE MORE CORRIDORS IN NORTH BEACH WHERE IF THERE WAS A, UM, A A LIVE LOCAL APPLICATION TO A CERTAIN HEIGHT.

SO WE KNOW THAT ONE MILE OR A THREE QUARTER MILE RADIUS FROM FIVE PARK IS 520 FEET AND IT HAS AN FAR OF 6.375 CA.

CAN THAT BE DONE? GOOD AFTERNOON.

RODNEY KNOWLES, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

UM, YES, WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT TO SEE IF WE CAN ESTABLISH WHAT THAT THRESHOLD IS AND WHAT THESE PARAMETERS ARE SO THAT, UM, WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE, UM, THAT INFORMATION WHICH WILL GUIDE A LOT OF THESE DECISIONS, I THINK IS REASONABLE.

THAT, THAT WOULD GIVE US, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN COME BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING OR IF YOU NEED A COUPLE OF MEETINGS TO COME BACK AND, AND GIVE US THAT ANALYSIS SO THAT WHEN THERE IS AN APPLICATION THAT COMES IN, WE KIND OF KNOW WHERE, WHERE THEY'RE, WHERE THEY ARE, UH, THE, THE DEVELOPER.

AND SO I THINK THAT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE AN UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT WE CAN WORK WITH AND AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT.

YES SIR.

ALRIGHT, DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THE ITEM TO THE SEPTEMBER 11TH LAND USE SO THAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER, I'LL PUT THE CHAIR ASIDE.

UM, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA TO GET THAT ANALYSIS BACK, WHETHER YOU WANT TO KEEP IT HERE OR WHETHER YOU WANT TO CLEAR THE AGENDA.

I, I'M FINE WITH I, I, I, I THINK, LISTEN, I THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION TO BE HAD.

WE STILL NEED TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE BILL.

IT'D BE GREAT TO GET THAT ANALYSIS FROM PUBLIC WORKS AND I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE SOME MORE THOUGHT TO, IN FACT, SOME OF THE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDED IN THIS MEMO, UH, AS IT RELATES TO SOME OF THE WAIVERS TO, TO TRY TO CREATE A MORE ATTRACTIVE PROCESS.

I KNOW WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON THE LIVE BETTER SURVEY, UH, THAT, THAT HOPEFULLY WILL BE TEAMING UP, HOPEFULLY WITH A, WITH FIUI THINK IT IS, KARA, IS IT F-I-U-F-I-U, UH, TO, UH, DO A SURVEY OF THE HOUSING NEEDS OF OUR WORKFORCE AND, AND WHAT THAT IS SO THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT INTO POLICY.

UM, SO LET'S KEEP THIS SEPTEMBER.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

UM, MR. DIRECTOR, LET'S CALL ITEM NUMBER 12.

UM, WITH THAT,

[12. REQUIRE APPLICANTS FOR ZONING INCENTIVES TO BE IN GOOD STANDING WITH THE CITY PRIOR TO FILING A COMPLETED APPLICATION, INCLUDING RESOLVING ALL OPEN CODE VIOLATIONS, PAYING ALL OUTSTANDING FINES, FEES, OR OTHER BILLS TO THE CITY, AND PROHIBITING HABITUAL OFFENDERS WITH A PATTERN OF CODE VIOLATIONS DURING THE PRECEDING FEW YEARS FROM APPLYING UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.]

OKAY, MR. CHAIR.

ITEM NUMBER 12 IS REQUIRE APPLICANTS FOR ZONING INCENTIVES TO BE IN GOOD STANDING WITH THE CITY PRIOR TO FILING A COMPLETED APPLICATION, INCLUDING RESOLVING ALL OPEN CODE VIOLATIONS, PAYING ALL OUTSTANDING FINES, FEES, OR OTHER BILLS TO THE CITY AND PROHIBITING HABITUAL OFFENDERS WITH A PATTERN OF CODE VIOLATIONS DURING THE PRECEDING FEW YEARS FROM APPLYING UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.

ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS AN ITEM I'VE PLACED ON THE AGENDA.

THIS IS, WE, YOU KNOW, WE DEAL WITH A LOT OF INCENTIVES TO CREATE HOUSING.

INDIVIDUALS COME TO US SEEKING ZONING RELIEF.

UM, WHAT I DON'T WANT IS FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE BAD PROPERTY OWNERS TO BE BENEFITING FROM INCENTIVES WHEN THEY'RE NOT BEING RESPONSIBLE IN THEIR MAINTENANCE OF THEIR, OF, OF THEIR PROPERTY.

SO THIS ORDINANCE AMENDS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PRIVATE APPLICATIONS TO OUR LDRS TO REQUIRE NO OPEN ZONING, CODE BUILDING OR LIFE SAFETY VIOLATIONS AT A PROPERTY THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM THESE, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE LDRS.

NO OUTSTANDING FINES, NO OUTSTANDING FEES OR OTHER OPEN, UH, BILLS TO, TO DO TO, TO, TO THE CITY.

UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, IF SOMEONE, IF SOMEONE HAS HAD MORE THAN THREE VIOLATIONS OF THESE TYPES OF PROPERTY VIOLATIONS, WHERE THERE ARE DENIGRATING THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF, OF AN AREA WHERE THEY'RE CONSTANTLY VIOLATING THE CODE, WHERE THEY ARE CONSTANTLY, UM, JUST DETERIORATING THEIR PROPERTY, THAT THEY HAVE A ONE YEAR WAITING PERIOD BEFORE THEY BE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM ANY OF THESE ZONING INCENTIVES.

WHAT I DON'T WANNA ENCOURAGE, I DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE PROPERTY OWNERS TO PURPOSEFULLY LET THEIR BUILDING AND THEIR PROPERTY GET IN BAD CONDITIONS, ABANDON THEIR PROPERTY, ACCUMULATE CODE VIOLATIONS, UH, NOT CLEAN THEIR PROPERTY, KEEP THEIR PROPERTY EMPTY, KEEP THEIR PROPERTY IN UNSAFE, UNSANITARY UNCI, UNSIGHTLY BLIGHTED CONDITIONS TO THEN FORCE OUR HAND INTO ZONING CHANGES TO IMPROVE THE AREA.

NO, IF YOU'RE GONNA COME AND SEEK ZONING CHANGES FROM THE CITY IS BECAUSE YOU ARE A PROPERTY OWNER THAT IS

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IN GOOD STANDING WITH THE CITY, SOMEONE WHO MAINTAINS THEIR PROPERTY AND DESERVES FOR OUR CITY TO HAVE THE CONSIDERATION OF GRANTING YOU ZONING RIGHTS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TODAY.

BUT ALL OF THAT STARTS WITH YOU BEING A RESPONSIBLE PROPERTY OWNER, WITH YOU BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR WITH YOU, KEEPING YOUR PROPERTY CLEAN WITH YOU, ABIDING WITH THE ZONING LAWS OF THE CITY, WITH THE CODE, WITH THE LIFE SAFETY, UH, LOSS OF THE CITY OF YOU, NOT ENDANGERING THE PEOPLE WHO WALK BY YOUR PROPERTY.

AND SO I'M GONNA PASS IT ALONG, MR. ATTORNEY, UH, FOR, SO YOU CAN FURTHER DESCRIBE THIS ORDINANCE OR EXPLAIN ANYTHING ELSE I MAY HAVE NOT TOUCHED UPON.

SURE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D BE HAPPY TO.

SO YOU COVERED THE MAIN POINTS, WHICH IS THAT AN APPLICANT SEEKING ZONING INCENTIVES CAN'T HAVE ANY OPEN VIOLATIONS, CAN'T AT THAT TIME OWE THE CITY ANY MONEY.

IF THE, IF THE DEVELOPER IS DEEMED TO BE A HABITUAL OFFENDER, MEANING THEY HAVE THREE OR MORE VIOLATIONS WITHIN THE PROCEEDING THREE YEARS, THEN THEY HAVE TO SIT OUT, UH, FOR ONE YEAR BEFORE THEIR, THEIR, UH, THEIR AMENDMENT CAN BE CONSIDERED.

UM, THIS DOES PROVIDE FOR A WAIVER BY THE, BY RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION, UM, BASED ON A NUMBER OF FACTORS WHICH WE'VE DRAFTED, WHETHER THE APPLICANT WAS THE OWNER OF, OF THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME OF THE VIOLATIONS, UH, ANY EFFORTS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN TO MITIGATE THE CONDITIONS THAT GIVE RISE TO THE VIOLATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE AND ANY OTHER, UH, PERTINENT INFORMATION, UM, THAT THE CITY COMMISSION CONSIDERS WARRANTS GRANTING A WAIVER.

BUT OTHERWISE, THIS WOULD APPLY VERY BROADLY TO ANYBODY WHO IS SEEKING AN AMENDMENT TO THE LDR.

AND I JUST THINK THAT THAT, THAT THIS IS SO IMPORTANT, I THINK OF FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, LINCOLN ROAD ON, ON LINCOLN ROAD, UH, WHERE, OR EVEN WASHINGTON AVENUE, I THINK PER PERHAPS WASHINGTON AVENUE IS A MUCH BETTER EXAMPLE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT IMPORTANT ZONING LEGISLATION, UM, THE ZONING LEGISLATION THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE.

AND IT APPLIES TO BOTH LINCOLN ROAD AND WASHINGTON AVENUE AND OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY ZONING LEGISLATION THAT WILL DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY INCREASE THE VALUE OF PROPERTY.

BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BENEFIT FROM, FROM THAT ZONING ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE ATTRACTING THE CRIME, WHO ARE MAINTAINING THEIR PROPERTIES, WHO ARE BRINGING DOWN THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE AREA, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING IT AT TIMES DANGEROUS FOR PEOPLE TO WALK AROUND.

UH, SOME OF THESE AREAS, IF YOU WANNA BENEFIT FROM ZONING, BE A RESPONSIBLE PROPERTY OWNER AND START BY BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR WITH THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER BOT HAD HER HAND UP FIRST AND THEN VICE MAYOR SUAREZ.

SO I LOVE THE INTENT OF THIS, AND I, MY QUESTION IS, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO HAS SAT ON A PROPERTY AND ENGAGED IN DE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT OR IS TRYING TO, FOR THEM A YEAR IS JUST THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

THEY'VE SAT ON IT FOR 15 YEARS, LEAVING IT VACANT AND WHAT'S ANOTHER YEAR? SO HOW DO WE STRENGTHEN THAT PIECE SO THAT WE CAN GET EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING AFTER HERE? WELL, IT, UH, A, UM, A VIOLATION FOR DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT WOULD BE THE TYPE OF VIOLATION THAT COULD QUALIFY YOU AS AN HABITUAL OFFENDER.

TYPICALLY, ONCE SOMEONE IS READY TO MOVE FORWARD, THE FIRST THING THEY'RE SEEKING IS AN APPLICATION TO AMEND THE CODE.

SO IT'S AT EXACTLY THAT MOMENT THAT WE THINK THAT THE ONE YEAR WAITING PERIOD WOULD REALLY HAVE THE GREATEST EFFECT.

BUT MY POINT IS A ONE YEAR WAITING PERIOD IF THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN, YOU KNOW, A LOUSY OWNER FOR SO MANY YEARS, IS A ONE YEAR WAITING PERIOD SUFFICIENT OR IS IT JUST, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER YEAR OUT OF 10? I MEAN, IS THERE, IS THERE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO TO ADD TEETH TO THIS TO MAKE THIS I, I, I GOT AN IDEA, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

UM, CAN, CAN WE ALL THE PROPERTIES OWNED BY THAT INDIVIDUAL, MEANING IF, IF IF HE'S A HABIT, IF HE'S MARKED AS A, IF HE OR SHE AS ARE MARKED AS A HABITUAL OFFENDER, ANY PROPERTIES THAT THIS PERSON OWNS HAS TO BE, UM, HAS TO WAIT A YEAR.

I LIKE THE WAY MY COLLEAGUES THINK THAT'S, UM, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT THE SPONSOR HAS ALSO ASKED.

UM, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS REALLY GROUNDBREAKING LEGISLATION AS IT AS IT IS.

UM, AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, THAT IT BE, THAT IT BE LIMITED TO THE PROPERTY THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THE, OF THE APPLICATION.

UM, THERE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REASONS FOR THIS PENALTY ARE, ARE AT THEIR CORE PROPERTY SPECIFIC ARE, UM, REPEATED VIOLATIONS ON THAT PROPERTY, VIOLATIONS THAT RELATE TO THE BUILDING CODE, LIFE SAFETY CODE, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, DEMOLITION BY ELECT.

CAN WE REQUIRE AN EXTRA FEE? SO,

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UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, DEPENDING ON, ON ON HOW MANY, LET'S SAY IT'S THREE, BUT LET'S SAY THEY HAVE SEVEN, UM, A YEAR, IN MY OPINION AS COMMISSIONER, BUT STATED, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ENOUGH.

UM, OR MAYBE AFTER THREE FOR EVERY OTHER, FOR AN ADDITIONAL THREE, IT'S ANOTHER YEAR.

UM, ON THE WAITING PERIOD, I WOULD NOT GO LONGER THAN ONE YEAR.

THERE IS, AND AND I CAN BRIEF YOU INDIVIDUALLY ON THIS, BUT I THINK THAT ONE YEAR, UM, IS REALLY THE, THE MAXIMUM FOR A WAITING PERIOD LIKE THIS.

THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES UNDER STATE LAW THAT I WANT TO AVOID.

AND, AND, AND I THINK ALSO WHEN WE LOOK IS, YOU KNOW, THE ATTORNEYS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WERE GUIDING ME ON PENALTIES AND FINANCIAL PENALTIES.

BUT THE ONE THING IS WHEN YOU SAY ONE YEAR THAT IS SO MUCH GREATER THAN ANY FINANCIAL PENALTY, THE HOLDING COST OF THE PROPERTY FOR A YEAR THAN NOT BEING ABLE TO FILE AN APPLICATION AND START THAT PROCESS FOR A YEAR.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS SOMETIMES PEOPLE FILE AN APPLICATION AND THEN THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, A YEAR GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF DOING THE SIGNS.

AND THIS IS SAYING, YOU KNOW, A ONE YEAR WAITING PERIOD, UH, BEFORE THE AMENDMENT, UM, CAN BE FILED.

IS THAT CORRECT? MR. ATTORNEY.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THIS, AND IS THIS TROUBLED TO JUST THE PROPERTY OR, OR THE OWNER? NOW I'M GONNA DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEYS.

THE PROPERTY.

I WOULD, YEAH, I WOULD RECOMMEND THE PROPERTY.

SO WHAT IF THEY JUST SELL THE PROPERTY TO A, AN LLC ON A DELAWARE AND WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE OWNER IS? THIS WOULD, THE, THE, IT WOULD STILL APPLY TO A NEW OWNER.

AND I JUST WANT TO CORRECT MYSELF IS BECAUSE I, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT ME SO, WELL NICK, THIS, IT'S NOT, WE CAN'T PROHIBIT SOMEONE FROM FILING AN APPLICATION, BUT IT'S, IT'S CONSIDERATION BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD.

IT CANNOT BE CONSIDERED BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD CORRECT.

FOR A YEAR.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND WHICH IS, SO I THINK WE, AS THE CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED, WE ARE BEING VERY GROUNDBREAKING.

UM, AND I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO PUT EXTRA TEETH.

I JUST GET CONCERNED IF WE PUT TOO MANY TEETH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF THAT, UM, MR. ATTORNEY AS IT RELATES TO, UM, TO THE PREDATORY SOLICITATION ON OUR ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE PREDATORY BUYOUT, UH, OF CONDOS, UH, THOSE PREDATORY PRACTICES, HOW WOULD THIS APPLY TO THAT? SO VIOLATIONS OF THE, OF, OF YOUR TWO ORDINANCES, WHICH ARE, WHICH ARE PENDING BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION FOR SECOND READING ON JUNE 25TH, THOSE WOULD BE THE KINDS OF VIOLATIONS THAT COULD MAKE SOMEBODY A, AN HABITUAL OFFENDER.

SO, SO, SO IF THERE IS A DEVELOPER OUT THERE THAT IS PRE ON CONDO OWNERS, UH, THAT ARE AGGRESSIVELY SOLICITING THEM ENGAGING IN UNFAIR PREDATORY TACTICS, THEN THE GREATEST PENALTY THAT WE WILL HAVE IS IN FACT MAKING THEM HOLD ONTO THE PROPERTY FOR A YEAR AND DELAYING THEIR, THEIR, THEIR ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN APPLICATION.

CAN YOU KNOW, I ALSO THINK OF THE VILLE SITE, RIGHT? AND WHAT WE LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT IS THAT WHEN THE PROPERTY SITS VACANT, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY ALSO SUFFERS.

UH, COULD WE REQUIRE THEM TO MAKE, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE YEAR, MAKE CERTAIN ENHANCEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY WHERE I KNOW WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IT HAS TO BE IN A PARK-LIKE, UH, APPEARANCE.

BUT CAN WE, CAN WE RAISE THE STANDARD OF THAT SO THAT IT'S NOT IN A, IN A, THE BARE MINIMUM OF JUST HYDRO SEEDED THAT IS GOING TO JUST BROWN OUT AFTER A WEEK? I THINK IF YOU, UM, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE REQUIREMENTS THAT APPLY TO, TO VACANT PROPERTIES, UM, I THINK WE COULD DO THAT AS PART OF SEPARATE LEGISLATION.

I KNOW THAT COMMISSION HAS AMENDED THAT SECTION A FEW TIMES OVER THE YEARS.

UM, AND IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT STRENGTHENING THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, WE CAN, WE CAN TALK.

ONLY BE GRANTED BY RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION, AND IT WOULD BE BASED ON, UH, WE DRAFTED THREE FACTORS.

GOING BACK TO THE DEVILLE SITUATION, 'CAUSE I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR FROM THE DEVILLE AND OTHER PROPERTIES IS, YOU KNOW, OKAY, YOU WANNA PENALIZE A PROPERTY OWNER.

SOMETIMES YOU HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE THE PROPERTY'S SITTING IDLE, PENALIZES THE NEIGHBORS MORE THAN WHAT IT PENALIZES THE PROPERTY OWNER.

DO WE PUT ANY SAFEGUARD IN PLACE, UH, IN THE, IN THE EVENT, LET'S SAY YOU REALLY DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU DO NEED TO MOVE QUICKLY ON, UH, TO NOT HURT.

ARE THERE ANY WAIVERS, ANY SAFEGUARDS THAT WE PUT INTO THIS? WE DID INCLUDE A WAIVER PROVISION.

IT WOULD BE AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT.

UH, IT COULD

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ONE IS WHETHER THE APPLICANT WAS THE OWNER AT THE TIME.

TWO IS WHETHER THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN ANY EFFORTS TO MITIGATE THE CONDITIONS THAT GAVE RISE TO THOSE VIOLATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AND THIRD IS ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE RELEVANT TO THE COMMISSIONS.

SO THE COMMISSION COULD WAIVE THE WAITING PERIOD, BECAUSE AT TIMES YOU MIGHT HAVE A GOOD PROPERTY OWNER THAT INHERITS THE PROBLEMS OF SOME OF SOMEONE ELSE.

CAN, BUT COULD WE MAKE THAT A FIVE SEVENTH WAIVER? AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS NEW.

WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS, IS REALLY BRAND NEW.

SO I WOULD START WITH A MAJORITY VOTE.

AND COULD YOU MAKE IT A FIVE SEVEN? ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S A MATTER OF POLICY.

BUT MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THIS IS, SINCE THIS IS A, A, A NEW PENALTY, UM, THAT YOU MAY WANNA TRY IT OUT AND THEN REVISIT IT AND, YOU KNOW, AND MAKE AMENDMENTS.

BUT IT'S YOUR CALL.

FOLLOW YOUR GUIDANCE.

HMM.

I GO STRONGER FIRST.

YOU GO STRONGER FIRST.

I, I'D LIKE TO GO STRONGER AS WELL.

ALRIGHT, WELL, WELL, I, THE MAJORITY RULES , SO, UM, WE WILL GO STRONGER.

FIRST FIVE, SEVENTH, FIVE, SEVENTH.

AND I THINK I, I THINK, I THINK IT, IT'S JUST A LINE.

GO SIX SEVENTH, TANYA.

NAH.

UM, ARE THERE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I SEE THAT THE INSPECTOR GENERAL IN THE AUDIENCE, ARE YOU HERE ON THIS ITEM? MR. STORINO? SEVERAL SEVERALLY.

UM, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR GUIDANCE AS IT RELATED TO THE, UM, TO, TO THE CONDOMINIUM BUYOUT, UH, ORDINANCE TO, UH, STOP THOSE, UH, PREDATORY PRACTICES.

I'M VERY, UH, PLEASED WITH THE GUIDANCE OF YOUR OFFICE, UH, AND WITH THE WORK OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT WILL BE CONSIDERING AT THE JUNE 25TH, UH, CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

AND THEN HOPEFULLY THIS ITEM THAT WILL BE A PART OF THAT TO ENSURE THAT, THAT WE HAVE THE PROPER TEETH IN PLACE, UH, WITH THAT SCENE.

NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN PERSON WISHING TO SPEAK ON, ON THIS ITEM AND NONE ON ZOOM.

CAN WE SHOW THE ITEM ADOPTED BY ACCLIMATION? ALRIGHT.

THIS WOULD GO TO WISH COMMISSION MEETING.

NEXT, WE WOULD, UH, DRAFT AN ORDINANCE FOR THE JULY CITY COMMISSION MEETING FOR A REFERRAL TO THE PLANNING BOARD.

[2. DISCUSS REPLACING THE DRAWBRIDGE AT 63RD STREET WITH A FLYOVER TO ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC CONGESTION.]

UM, OKAY.

LET'S, COMMISSIONER BOT, YOU HAVE ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, BEFORE WE TAKE ITEM NUMBER ONE.

IT SEEMS LIKE ITEM NUMBER TWO IS, UH, IT'S AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION AS IT RELATES TO TRAFFIC.

AND TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS IN OUR MIND.

AND LET'S LET THE DIRECTOR INTRODUCE THE, THE ITEM.

UH, MR. CHAIR, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER TWO.

DISCUSS REPLACING THE DRAWBRIDGE AT 63RD STREET WITH A FLYOVER TO ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC CONGESTION.

THE BRIDGE ON AN HOURLY BASIS WOULD REDUCE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION AS COM THAT'S, THAT'S CREATED AS A RESULT OF THE FREQUENT BRIDGE OPENINGS.

UM, SO THIS IS A HEAVY LIFT.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE, UM, RESOLVED TODAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

WE HAVE TRIED A NUMBER OF TIMES IN DIFFERENT WAYS OVER THE YEARS TO TRY TO MAKE THIS DRAWBRIDGE, UM, LESS OF A IMPEDIMENT FOR THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC IN THE CITY.

UM, WE HAD ALL KINDS OF, UM, IDEAS THAT WE HAVE SUGGESTED TO THE COAST GUARD WHO MAINTAINS JURISDICTION OVER THIS DRAWBRIDGE AND THE RIGHT OF WAY ON THE WATER.

AND WE'VE BEEN SHUT DOWN AT EVERY TURN.

SO THERE ARE TWO CHOICES.

YOU CAN EITHER ACCEPT STATUS QUO OR YOU CAN TRY TO THINK ABOUT SOMETHING NEW AND DIFFERENT.

AND I PREFER TO PROCEED WITH THE LATTER ROUTE.

UM, AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH EVALUATIONS OF WHAT KINDS OF, UM, THINGS ARE AVAILABLE TO US TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS AND ASSESS.

WE ARE NOT THE ONLY, UM, MUNICIPALITY IN THE WORLD THAT HAS THIS ISSUE.

AND WE HAVE, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS NOVEL, GROUNDBREAKING, BEAUTIFUL, COMPLICATED, PROBABLY EXPENSIVE AND CERTAINLY DIFFICULT, BUT THAT'S NEVER STOPPED US.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR ESTEEMED DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION, MS. COLLEAGUES, TO SHOW US THE WAY FORWARD.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR.

COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

UM, SO AS COMMISSIONER BOT POINTED OUT, UH, THE 63RD STREET BRIDGE IS NOT UNDER OUR JURISDICTION.

IT'S UNDER THE STATE OF FLORIDA DEPARTMENT, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

AND, UM, THE REGULATIONS REGARDING THE OPENING OF THE BRIDGE, UH, ARE UNDER THE COAST GUARD'S PURVIEW.

AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR A WHILE.

UM, TRYING TO PERSUADE THEM THAT OPENING

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UM, CURRENTLY EVERY HALF HOUR, THE BRIDGE OPENS EVERY HALF HOUR, MORE OR LESS.

SO WE WERE ADVOCATING FOR HOURLY OPENINGS.

WE CONDUCTED A TRAFFIC STUDY, A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, SHARED THAT WITH THEM, THAT SHOWED THAT OPENINGS ONCE AN HOUR WOULD CREATE LESS CONGESTION, WHICH THEY DID NOT DISAGREE WITH.

HOWEVER, THEY FELT THAT THAT WOULD, UH, PRESENT TOO MUCH OF A, UM, UH, CHALLENGE FOR MARINE TRAFFIC.

SO YES, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC WOULD INDEED, UH, GET BETTER, BUT MARINE TRAFFIC WOULD BE AFFECTED.

SO WE ARE THEY ACTUALLY, THE, THE COAST GUARD, UM, COUNTERED WITH ANOTHER OPTION THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY EVALUATING.

THERE IS SOME BENEFIT TO THE OPTION THAT THEY ARE PROFFERING, WHICH BASICALLY WHAT IT DOES IS IT TAKES THE BRIDGE OFF OF THE ON DEMAND SCHEDULE.

ON DEMAND MEANS THE BRIDGE TENDERS REQUIRED TO OPEN THE BRIDGE WHENEVER A VESSEL SIGNALS THE BRIDGE TENDER TO OPEN THE BRIDGE.

SO CURRENTLY THE BRIDGE IS ON DEMAND WEEKDAYS AND WEEKENDS FROM 7:00 PM ABOUT 7:00 PM TO 7:00 AM THE NEXT DAY.

AND SO, UM, BY TAKING THE BRIDGE OFF DEMAND, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE SOME BENEFIT TO TRAFFIC FLOW, NOT AS MUCH AS THE WEEKDAY, HOURLY, UH, OPENINGS THAT WE WERE RECOMMENDING AND PROPOSING, BUT AT LEAST IT'S A STEP IN, IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

BUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING IN PARALLEL.

WHAT THIS ITEM REALLY IS ABOUT IS TO CONDUCT A FEASIBILITY.

STU SAY, BEFORE YOU GET INTO THAT, AND BY THE WAY I LOVE THIS ITEM, UM, WAS, WAS THERE MAYBE DISCUSSION TO LIMIT THE BRIDGE OPENING ONCE AN HOUR DURING RUSH HOUR? PERHAPS MAYBE MEET HIM IN THE MIDDLE, LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, DURING RUSH HOUR, ONLY OPEN IT ON THE HOUR.

SO DURING RUSH HOUR, THERE'S ACTUALLY RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE FROM APPROXIMATELY 7:00 AM TO 10:00 AM AND APPROXIMATELY 4:00 PM WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS TO 7:00 PM THE BRIDGE WILL NOT OPEN TO REGULAR MARINE TRAFFIC.

UH, ONLY IT IT WILL ONLY OPEN, UH, FOR EMERGENCY VESSELS AND TUGS AND TOES.

SO IT'S NOT EVEN OPENING BETWEEN SEVEN AND 10.

AND THEN THAT'S RIGHT.

FOUR AND SEVEN, WHAT'S, YEAH.

FROM ABOUT FOUR TO SEVEN.

BUT THEN AFTER 7:00 PM IT'S ON DEMAND.

IT'S, IT'S ON DEMAND.

AND THEN THAT, THAT ALSO CREATES, EVEN ON WEEKENDS AND, AND WEEKDAYS, IT CREATES SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME CONGESTION.

SO WHEN DOES IT OPEN EVERY 30 MINUTES THEN WHAT? OR IS IT ONLY ON DEMAND FOR NOW? I'M SORRY.

SO MY, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT OPENS UP EVERY 30 MINUTES.

IT, IT, IT DOES BETWEEN 10:00 AM AND 4:00 PM BETWEEN 10:00 AM APPROXIMATELY 10:00 AM AND APPROXIMATELY 4:00 PM AND AFTER 7:00 PM IT'S ON DEMAND.

ON DEMAND.

SO LET'S GET ONTO THE FLY.

I'M MORE INTERESTED IN THE FLYOVER.

SAY WE DID BUILD IT AT A LITTLE HIGHER, UH, ELEVATION MM-HMM .

SO PUT, PUT THIS ITEM ENTAILS IS A HIGH LEVEL FEASIBILITY STUDY, WHICH WOULD BE REQUIRED BY THE DOT, UM, FOR US TO CONDUCT.

AND THE STUDY WOULD LOOK AT TWO OPTIONS.

ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO ELEVATE THE BRIDGE, MEANING, MEANING JUST, UH, UH, RECONSTRUCTING THE BRIDGE AT A HIGHER LEVEL.

IT WOULD STILL BE A BAS BRIDGE, A DRAW BRIDGE.

BUT, UH, IF IT'S, IF IT'S CONSTRUCTED AT A HIGHER LEVEL AND THERE THEREBY CREATING MORE CLEARANCE BETWEEN THE, UM, SEA LEVEL AND THE BOTTOM OF THE BRIDGE, IT WOULD REDUCE THE NUMBER OF VESSELS THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE BRIDGE TO OPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SO THAT'S THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THAT OPTION.

AND THE SECOND OPTION WOULD BE TO REPLACE THE DRAWBRIDGE WITH A FLYOVER, WITH A PERMANENT HIGH LEVEL FLYOVER? UH, BOTH, BOTH, UM, OPTIONS ARE, ARE, SHALL WE SAY, COMPLEX.

THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT EASY, BUT THAT'S WHY I THINK THE FIRST STEP SHOULD BE A FEASIBILITY STUDY TO LOOK AT, UM, IF THERE'S ANY FATAL FLAW AND MORE OR LESS, TO HAVE AN IDEA OF THE IMPACTS THAT EACH ALTERNATIVE WOULD HAVE ON THE SERVER ON THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT AND THE COST THROUGH THE CHAIR.

AND SO IF WE, I JUST WANNA KNOW IF WE WANTED TO SAY WE DON'T WANT A DRAW BRIDGE ANYMORE, AND WE JUST WANT A FIXED, WE DON'T, WE JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, PUT A KEY IN IT AND NEVER OPEN IT AGAIN.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CAN DO? OR SINCE THIS IS OWNED BY THE CITY? NO, SIR.

US CG WOULD'VE TO CAN SAY, SO WE CAN'T, MEANING, LET'S

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BUT WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT A DRAW BRIDGE ANYMORE.

WE JUST WANT TO, WE WANT TO SAY IT'S NO, NO LONGER DRAWBRIDGE, WE'RE GONNA EXTEND IT BY, I DON'T KNOW, SIX FEET.

CAN WE DO THAT? UH, SO WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS A FLYOVER, BUT THE FLYOVER WOULD HAVE TO BE AT A HIGH LEVEL TO MEET COAST GUARD MINIMUM CLEARANCE REQUIREMENTS.

MM.

OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE A BASCU BRIDGE THAT WOULD NEED TO OPEN FOR VESSELS BECAUSE IT IS AN NAVIGABLE WATER.

LET ME, LET ME RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER BOND TO, UH, FOLLOW UP ON HER RIDE.

SO I WAS JUST GONNA SUGGEST THAT, UM, WHICHEVER GETS US THERE BETTER, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN DO A FLYOVER, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL.

UM, IT IS THE HEAVIER, THE TWO LIFTS BECAUSE OF THE ENGINEERING.

THE FACT THAT THE LAND'S ALREADY BOUGHT AND NOT BOUGHT, BUT OWNED AND, AND BUILT ON IT'S COMPLICATED.

UM, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT DOABLE.

AND I'M, YOU KNOW, ALL ABOUT THE HEAVY LIFTS.

SO I WOULD, TO ME, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT, AT SOME GREAT LENGTH, THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY LOOK FAR AFIELD.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO OUR USUAL POOL OF, YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS IN SOUTH FLORIDA WHO DO THIS, BUT LOOKING AT ENGINEERS FROM AROUND THE WORLD WHO ARE LEADING EDGE ENGINEERS, WHO HAVE HAD INCREDIBLE, UM, SUCCESSES DOING THINGS IN, UM, COPENHAGEN AND, YOU KNOW, THESE CRAZY BRIDGES AND TUNNELS AND THINGS THAT, THAT, UM, THAT ADDRESS THESE KINDS OF ISSUES.

SO I, I THINK THAT, UM, FOR SURE WE SHOULD SAY YES, THANK YOU TO THE, UM, UM, THE TWICE AN HOUR OR ONCE AN HOUR THAT THE COAST GUARD IS OFFERING FOR OVERNIGHT FROM 7:00 PM TO 7:00 AM FOR SURE, WE SHOULD SAY YES AS SOON AS WE CAN ON THAT, AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS EVALUATION OF WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY REBUILD HIGHER? WOULD THAT GET US DOWN TO ONCE AN HOUR? THAT WOULD BE ALREADY SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER.

UM, BUT IDEALLY TO GET TO A FLYOVER AND TO, TO REALLY THINK DIFFERENTLY ABOUT WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.

I MEAN, IDEALLY, INSTEAD OF HAVING RESIDENTS, UM, CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THEIR VIEWS NEGATIVELY, IDEALLY THE OUTCOME OF THIS WOULD BE, UM, THAT IT WOULD ENHANCE THEIR VIEWS AND BE THIS ARCHITECTURALLY BEAUTIFUL AND STRIKING PLACEMAKING KIND OF, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND OH, BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD A WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, CONCURRENCY NEEDS FOR WATER AND SEWER ISSUES, BUT THE FACT THAT TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY NEEDS AREN'T MET OR AREN'T EVEN REGARDED.

AND WE HAVE FAILED ROADS ALL OVER OUR CITY.

AND WHEN WE TRY TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS WITH FDO, THEY SAY, BUT NO, THE HURRICANES WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH, UM, EGRESS FROM THE ISLAND WITH, WITH HURRICANES, BUT WE ARE FAILING AT EVERY TURN ON OUR ROAD.

SO IF, IF WE CAN THINK BIG AND GET THIS DONE, THIS ALLEVIATES A HUGE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, UM, IMPEDIMENTS THROUGHOUT THE ISLAND.

IT'S NOT JUST ALONG THAT CORRIDOR, BUT IT'S FOR EVERYBODY GOING NORTH AND SOUTH.

AND SO, UM, OR TRYING TO GET TO NORTH AND SOUTH.

SO, YOU KNOW, I I, I'M PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

SO I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THE, THE ADMINISTRATION'S RECOMMENDATION.

IT'S RIGHT NOW WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION'S RECOMMENDING THAT WE CONDUCT A PHASE ONE ANALYSIS ON THE FEASIBILITY MM-HMM .

THE FEASIBILITY OF RACING THE ELEVATION OF 63RD STREET BRIDGE, IS THAT CORRECT? AND THAT, THAT, UH, THAT THE FUNDING, UH, BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET PROCESS? THAT'S CORRECT.

DO WE BELIEVE WHAT, OKAY.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN GET THE BALL ROLLING WITH FDLT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY, SIR.

SO I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

IS THERE NO WAY TO JUST GO STRAIGHT TO THIS, THE PHASE TWO FEASIBILITY STUDY? LIKE, IS THE PHASE ONE NECESSARY TO SHOW THAT IT'S NOT AS USEFUL OF AN OPTION OR IS IT TO SEE HOW USEFUL IT'S, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO CONDUCT A PHASE ONE THAT WOULD LOOK AT TWO OPTIONS AND THEN WE, THE OUTCOME OF THE PHASE ONE ANALYSIS WOULD BE A PREFERRED OPTION, AND THEN WE WOULD TAKE THAT OPTION INTO PHASE TWO.

SO AM I ALLOWED, SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, OKAY, SO PHASE ONE EVALUATES THE POTENTIAL REPLACEMENT OF THE BRIDGE, OR THE NEW BRIDGE CONSTRUCTED A HIGHER ELEVATION THAN THE CURRENT CON STRUCTURE WITH THE OBJECTIVE OF REDUCING THE FREQUENCY OF THE BRIDGE OPENINGS BY ACCOMMODATING A GREATER NUMBER OF VESSELS THAT CAN PASS.

SO IT'S JUST TO SEE WHETHER IT'S FEASIBLE.

AND THEN PHASE TWO WOULD BE DETAILED PLANS, CONCEPT PLANS AND COST ESTIMATES FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION? CORRECT.

I BELIEVE THAT CAN OWN, UH, THAT CAN CHAR BOATS THERE.

BUT WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT BOATS ARE THERE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY A FINITE NUMBER OF BOATS WITH A FINITE HEIGHT IN INDIAN CREEK, WHETHER THEY'RE OWNED BY THE HOTELS.

THERE'S TWO HOTELS

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ANYBODY CAN GO THROUGH LIKE A SAILBOAT TRAVERSING FROM MAINE CAN GO THROUGH.

TRUE.

UM, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO REASON TO.

RIGHT? I MEAN, UM, THEY, YOU CAN'T DOCK THERE.

NOT ANYMORE, AT LEAST.

UM, AND WHAT, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS WE KIND OF KNOW WHO'S GONNA BE COMING AND WHO'S GONNA BE GOING OUT THERE RELATIVE, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY SPEAKING, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A, THERE, I THINK THERE'S A BIG BOAT, THERE'S A COUPLE OF BIG BOATS IN INDIAN CREEK.

UM, AND MAYBE WE NEED TO DO JUST A QUICK BOAT RIDE AND SEE LIKE HOW MANY BOATS ARE THERE AT A CERTAIN HEIGHT.

AND IF YOUR ANALYSIS OF A BRIDGE IS NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING BECAUSE THE BOATS THERE ARE A CERTAIN HEIGHT, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE, UM, EFFECTIVE OR, OR, OR GETS US TO WHERE WE WANT TO GO.

COMMISSIONER, WE REVIEW THE LOGS, THE BRIDGE LOGS EVERY MONTH.

WE REQUEST THEM FROM FO TO REVIEW THEM.

THE ONLY THING IS THE LOGS DO NOT GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL AS TO HIGH, HOW HIGH THE VESSEL IS.

UM, SO RIGHT.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF THERE'S LIKE 50 VESSELS THERE THAT ARE 50 FEET IN HEIGHT MM-HMM .

UM, AND THEY TRAVERSE REGULARLY BECAUSE THEY'RE OWNED BY OWNERS THERE.

AND OUR, AND OUR BRIDGE IS ONLY IT GOES UP TO 50 FEET OR 48, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT REALLY GONNA DO WHAT WE WANTED IT TO DO.

INTO ACCOUNT WHAT BOATS THE OWNERS HAVE IN INDIAN CREEK TO SO THAT THEY DON'T REQUIRE A DRAWBRIDGE OPENING WHEN COMING IN AND COMING OUT AT LEAST A GREATER PERCENTAGE OF 50.

SO I THINK, I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME MM-HMM .

SOME, SOME FEEDBACK ON, ON ON WHAT, HOW YOU CAN KIND OF REVERSE ENGINEER WHAT WE REALLY NEED MM-HMM .

BASED ON THE BOATS THAT ARE THERE.

BUT WOULD, IF I MAY, YEAH.

WOULD THE COAST GUARD ACCEPT, UM, PARAMETERS FOR A NEW BRIDGE BASED ON WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS ON THE WATERWAY? OR ARE THEY TRYING TO PROTECT, I MEAN, IT'D BE GREAT BECAUSE THEN WE COULD FOREGO PART OF THIS.

UM, OR ARE THEY GOING TO INSIST THAT IT NEEDS TO BE OPEN TO ANYBODY, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SUPER AMOUNTS OF SENSE TO COME DOWN IN YOUR CREEK WHEN YOU COULD JUST COME DOWN THROUGH THE BAY OR THROUGH THE OCEAN IF YOUR SAILBOAT WITH MASS OR SOMETHING? THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.

I'M NOT SURE IF THE COAST GUARD CAN REGULATE ROUTES IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE HIGHER THAN, UH, SO MANY FEET TAKE THIS OTHER ROUTE VERSUS, VERSUS THROUGH THROUGH INDIAN CREEK.

I'M, I'M NOT SURE I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT THESE ARE OPEN NAVIGABLE BODIES OF WATER THAT ARE NOT RESTRICTED.

UH, BUT IT'S, IT, WE, WE NEED TO ASK THE COAST GUARD TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO RESTRICT THE, THE SIZE OF THE VESSELS.

I THINK, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO USE OUR WATERWAYS AS LONG AS YOU FIT UNDER OUR BRIDGES, RIGHT? LIKE, THAT SHOULD BE THE WAY THIS GOES.

THAT IF YOU HAVE A VERY, YOU KNOW, A $50 MILLION GOOGLE OWNER OR YACHT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE COMING DOWN, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE STUFF THAT GETS DOCKED IN FRONT OF BAYSIDE.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE, UM, COMING DOWN INDIAN CREEK NECESSARILY.

YOU'LL BE GOING INTO DEEPER WATER.

AND, UM, SAME THING WITH A SAILBOAT WITH A OF A CERTAIN SIZE THAT HAS A, A, YOU KNOW, PRETTY LARGE MAST COMMISSIONER.

BOB BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.

LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, SURPRISE LAKE.

YOU, THERE'S NO DRAW BRIDGE TO GET THE SURPRISE LAKE.

WHY IS INDIAN CREEK, WHY IS THERE A, A BRIDGE REQUIRED THERE TO ACCESS INDIAN CREEK? I, I'M NOT SURE.

I KNOW THAT BRIDGE HAS BEEN THERE SINCE THE EARLY DAYS.

UM, CERTAINLY I WOULD SAY PROBABLY THIRTIES, 1930S, 1940S PERHAPS.

IT'S BEEN, YEAH.

BUT IS THERE LIKE A, UH, IS THERE A SORT OF PROCESS, NOT A PROCESS, BUT IS THERE A RULE OF THUMB FOR A BODY OF WATER, UM, THAT REQUIRES A BRIDGE? I, I, THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE ALONG THAT WATERWAY WHO HAVE PURCHASED ALONG THAT WATERWAY.

WHETHER THEY LIVE ON COLLINS AVENUE AND HAVE DOCKS, UH, FRONTING IT, OR WHETHER THEY LIVE ON PINE TREE DRIVE FACING THAT WATERWAY.

AND THEY MADE AN INVESTMENT ON ALONG THAT WATERWAY KNOWING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO A BRIDGE THAT OPENS.

UH, AND SO WE NEED TO BE MM-HMM .

MINDFUL OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THE IN INVESTMENTS PEOPLE HAVE MADE MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT THERE IS A BRIDGE THERE THAT OPENS UP THAT THROUGH WHICH THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ACCESS TO THE BAY.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT AS WELL.

WHICH, WHICH GOES TO MY POINT ON IF WE'RE GONNA BE DOING A STUDY FOR A BRIDGE THAT HAS FOR A HIGHER ELEVATION, THEN WHAT'S TAKEN

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I THINK THESE ARE VERY GOOD POINTS COMMISSIONERS, UM, WHICH I THINK WE CAN INCLUDE AS PART OF THIS PHASE ONE ANALYSIS AND LOOK INTO ALL THESE, UM, YOU ALL THESE POTENTIAL.

SO, SO THE ADMINISTRATION IS RECOMMENDING US TO GO FORWARD WITH, PROCEED WITH PHASE ONE, CONTEMPLATE THE FUNDING AS PART OF THE 26TH BUDGET.

UM, DOES THIS NEED TO GO BACK TO THE COMMISSIONER TO BE REFERRED TO THE BUDGET PROCESS? OR DOES IT GO FROM HERE STRAIGHT TO THE BUDGET PROCESS, MR. ATTORNEY? I THINK IF THE, UH, COMMITTEE MAKES RECOMMENDATION TODAY, THEN THE ADMINISTRATION WILL TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS.

IS THERE.

I THINK THAT WE ADOPT THAT BY ACCLIMATION.

ONE LAST THING, AND I, I DON'T WANNA THROW A CURVE BALL THIS 'CAUSE I'M IN FAVOR OF BOTH PARTS, BUT, UM, I KNOW THAT PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR THE BRIDGE ARE, THEY MAY, THEY MAY NOT LIKE THE FACT THAT IT'S GETTING OPENED UP EVERY HOUR, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU HAVE A BACKLOG OF BOATS, PARTY BOATS THAT ARE WAITING, THEY'RE BLASTING MUSIC AT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY, NOT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY, BUT BETWEEN THE, THE, THE, THE DRAWBRIDGE OPENINGS AND THEY HAVE TO WAIT THERE WHILE THEY PLAY MUSIC.

I JUST, JUST THE CURVE BALL.

UM, BUT SINCE THIS IS GOING TO COMMISSION, I MEAN, WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO ENGAGE.

COULDN'T WE DO A QUIET ZONE FOR THE BRIDGE? LIKE IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE A PARTY BOAT, THAT'S FINE, BUT IT'S TECHNICALLY A QUIET, I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, BY LAW YOU CAN'T HAVE A DISRUPTIVE NOISE.

SO THE THING IS, WE PASS THE LAW.

THE THING IS, YOU KNOW, DO THEY KNOW ABOUT THE LAW? AND IF THEY KNOW ABOUT THE LAW, ARE THEY GONNA, HOW ENFORCE IT RESPECT THE LAW? AND IF THEY DON'T RESPECT THE LAW, ARE YOU GONNA BE THERE TO ENFORCE IT WHEN THEY'RE DISRESPECTING IT? YEAH.

MAYBE WE PUT A SIGN ON THE BRIDGE THAT SAYS QUIET ZONE AND YOU KNOW, PUNISHABLE BY THIS, IF THAT'S CERTAINLY DOABLE.

YEP.

I MEAN, FRANKLY WE COULD DO THAT TODAY, RIGHT? YES, WE COULD.

AND MAYBE WE CAN WE DO THAT? UM, IT'S ALREADY A QUIET ZONE.

CAN WE JUST, BUT, BUT CAN WE, CAN WE CO LIKE, GET A SIGN MADE UP ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BRIDGE? AND SO WHATEVER IS CURRENTLY IN OUR LAWS, HAVE IT BE VISIBLE INSTALLING THE SIGN WOULD, WOULD BE, UH, SIMPLE.

THE ONLY THING IS I JUST WANNA, WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT VIOLATING ANY MARITIME LAW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

FOR EXAMPLE, WITH RAILROADS, I'M FAMILIAR WITH QUIET ZONES AS THEY PERTAIN TO RAILROADS.

AND THE, THE FEDERAL RAILROAD ADMINISTRATION, THE FRA, HAS SOME VERY STRICT PARAMETERS, UH, THAT GOVERN QUIET ZONES.

I'M NOT A MARITIME LAW EXPERT, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO CONSULT WITH THE COAST GUARD JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE VIOLATING WITH THE RAILROADS THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS THAT GETS APPROVED RIGHT.

IN ORDER TO PUT THOSE QUIET ZONE FOR RAILROADS.

BUT I'M NOT SURE.

AND SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER, WHETHER HERE THE SAME WOULD APPLY.

SO CAN WE INITIATE THAT? IS DOES THAT NEED SOME KIND OF YES, BUT WE COULD PUT, WE COULD PUT THE, WE COULD PUT THE SIGNAGE ON, ON A SEA WALL.

WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO PUT IT ON THE BRIDGE.

I THINK WE COULD PUT SIGNS TO THE EXTENT LIKE WE HAVE ON SOME OF OUR ROADWAYS THAT SAY NO HONKING, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES FOR THAT WOULD APPLY TO VESSELS.

I THINK WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY PENALTIES THAT THE CITY CAN ENFORCE.

SO, SO CAN YOU, FOR VIOLATIONS, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE A LEGISLATIVE MATTER, RIGHT.

FOR THE SIGNS, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN, UH, WHEN JOSE AND OUR OFFICE ARE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT STEPS ARE REQUIRED, THEN WE'LL, IF WE NEED TO BRING A CODE AMENDMENT, WE CAN OKAY.

WE CAN COORDINATE THAT.

SO LET'S DO, DO THAT.

SO WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE SIGNED ITEM, WE WILL INCLUDE A RECOMMENDATION THAT SIGNAGE BE PLACED FOR THE QUIET ZONE ALONG THE INDIAN CREEK, UH, WATERWAY, UH, AT THE 63RD STREET, UH, UM, INTERSECTION WITH THE BRIDGE.

UH, LET'S OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

IF THERE'S ANYONE IN PERSON WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

I SEE LARRY SCHAFER HAS HIS HAND RAISED.

MR. SCHAFER, WELCOME.

ITEMS, THESE BRIDGES ARE IMPORTANT EVACUATION ROUTES IN THE EVENT OF A HURRICANE.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, THANK YOU TANYA, FOR BRINGING THIS ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION.

I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP SOMETHING ABOUT FUNDING.

UH, I'M READING NOW AN ARTICLE ON FLORIDA POLITICS.

UH, IT'S ABOUT HOW BAY HARBOR ISLANDS IS REPLACING THEIR, UH, THEIR BRIDGE AT A HUGE COST.

AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT I THINK IS RELEVANT HERE IS THAT SENATOR CHEVRON JONES AND THE STATE REPRESENTATIVE, FABIAN BAABA, WENT TO THE STATE AND ASKED FOR AND RECEIVED FUNDING FOR THAT LOCAL BRIDGE PROJECT.

SO I BELIEVE THAT STAFF SHOULD REACH OUT TO OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS IN TALLAHASSEE TO SEE IF FUNDING CAN BE OBTAINED FOR THE 63RD STREET FLYOVER PROJECT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT POPPED OUT IN THAT ARTICLE THAT WAS SEEMED TO BE VERY IMPORTANT IS THAT THESE, THESE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE

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AND SO, UH, IT MAY BE POSSIBLE TO GO BEYOND TALLAHASSEE AND REACH OUT FOR FEDERAL DO, UH, FEDERAL, UH, DOLLARS.

AND THIS ARTICLE SPECIFICALLY, UH, MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS SOME COMMUNICATION WITH THE US DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SECRETARY LAST YEAR.

SO WE, I, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT ITEM.

THANK YOU, TANYA.

IT'S A BIG ITEM.

LET'S GO AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND SOME MORE MONEY FOR IT.

AND THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK LAST NIGHT.

I KNOW THAT WAS A MARATHON SESSION.

UH, SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, LARRY.

ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIR, JUST ONE COMMENT.

CAN THE MOTION JUST SPECIFICALLY MENTION, UH, COMMISSIONER BOT'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RESTRICTIONS DURING THE, WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON DEMAND HOURS FOR THE THAT PERIOD TO BE ON A SCHEDULE, THE CURRENT SCHEDULE, WHICH IS ON THE HALF HOUR AND HOUR RATHER THAN ON DEMAND? YEP.

AS SAMANTHA AND THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, WE DID HAVE ONE OTHER HAND UP.

OH, I SEE.

WE HAVE ELIZABETH LA ELIZABETH, WELCOME.

HI.

GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, I HAVE A SUGGESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS DISCUSSED, BUT, UM, I DID HEAR, UH, WHILE LARRY AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS BRIDGE STUFF, AND OF COURSE TANYA AS WELL, BUT WHAT IF WE HAD SOME SORT OF FUND THAT THESE NEW PROJECTS, COULD, ANY OF THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS COULD CONTRIBUTE TO, THAT WOULD HELP FUND OUR, EXCUSE ME, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE BRIDGE BEING WON.

UM, AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE, IT WOULD BE AN ONGOING CONTINUOUS FUND THAT OTHER PEOPLE COULD CONTRIBUTE TO AS WELL.

UM, FOR INSTANCE, MAYBE I'M NOT GONNA, I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S THINGS THAT HAVEN'T EVEN BROKEN GROUND YET THAT THOSE ARE POSSIBILITIES AND I JUST WOULD LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL.

THANK YOU ELIZABETH.

I, I DO KNOW WE DO HAVE A TRANSPORTATION FUND.

AND THAT TRANSPORTATION FUND, UH, IS GONNA BE FACING SIGNIFICANT, UH, IMPACTS, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE TROLLEY SERVICE, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE WATER TAXI AND, UH, AND A NUMBER OF OTHER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE NEED.

BUT PERHAPS THERE ARE OTHER TYPES OF FUNDS THAT I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER TYPES OF FUNDS, UH, OR IMPACT FEES CAN BE APPLICABLE TOWARDS, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S GOOD INPUT.

ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE IN PERSON, NONE ON ZOOM.

THERE WAS A MOTION THAT WAS AMENDED THAT I THINK WE CAN ADOPT BY ACCLIMATION.

MR. DIRECTOR, LET'S CALL ITEM NUMBER ONE.

AND MR. CHAIR, JUST TO CONFIRM, THAT'S TO SEND THIS TO THE FULL CITY COMMISSION WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION? YES.

OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO THE BUDGET.

THE BUDGET.

WELL, AS A MATTER OF FACT, RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING I WAS ACTUALLY ON THE PHONE WITH THE BUDGET, UH, DEPARTMENT, THEY ADVISED THAT IT'S ALREADY, YOU WILL ALREADY BE SEEING THIS ITEM AS PART OF AN ENHANCEMENT REQUEST DURING THE FERC WORKSHOPS.

SO IT'S ALREADY OKAY, SO IT'S ALREADY THERE.

[1. DISCUSS SAFETY CONCERNS RELATED TO UTILITY WORK PERFORMED ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.]

OKAY, MR. CHAIR.

ITEM NUMBER ONE IS DISCUSS SAFETY CONCERNS RELATED TO UTILITY WORK PERFORMED ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.

AND, UH, COMMISSIONER BOND, THIS IS YOUR ITEM.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO INTRODUCE YOUR ITEM.

HAD INCIDENTS WHERE THAT PARKING IS OFFLINE OVER THE WEEKEND, WHICH IS NOT GREAT FOR RESIDENTS.

UM, VERY BRIEFLY, UM, WE HAVE FOUND, UH, TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT PUBLIC WORKS GET, UM, UNDERTAKEN BY THIRD PARTY, UM, VENDORS AND THEY LEAVE THINGS IN A LESS THAN IDEAL STATE WHEN THEY'RE DONE.

AND THE EXCUSE IS, OH, WE'RE ALMOST DONE, OR, OH, WE'LL BE BACK TO FIX IT NEXT WEEK.

OR, OH, WE'RE WAITING FOR A PART, OR, OH, WHATEVER.

AND, YOU KNOW, GOES FROM BEING A WEEK TO A YEAR OR LONGER.

AND, UM, THERE ARE SECTIONS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT LOOK LIKE A WAR ZONE AND PEOPLE HAVE HURT THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF IT.

AND IT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN.

AND I, WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THE, THE MEMO, I WAS HORRIFIED TO SEE THAT, UM, THERE, THIS ISSUE GOES BACK TO 2016 AND THAT YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON CORRECTING ISSUES GOING BACK A DECADE.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE CLEAN THIS UP AND HOW DO WE PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING IN, IN THE FIRST PLACE? SO THERE ISN'T THIS BACKLOG THAT NEEDS TO BE RECTIFIED.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN, I, I THINK IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A DIFFERENT ITEM, BUT IT'S A SIMILAR KIND OF A THOUGHT IS WHEN THERE ARE PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS HAPPENING AND PARKING GETS MOVED FROM ONE SIDE OF THE STREET TO ANOTHER OR GETS TAKEN AWAY COMPLETELY.

AND, UM, THE VENDOR FINISHES WORK ON A FRIDAY BUT ISN'T COMING BACK TILL MONDAY OR TUESDAY.

WE'VE

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AND SO, I DUNNO IF THAT CAN KIND OF BE SNUCK INTO THIS THIS TOPIC OR IF, IF WE NEED TO BRING SOMETHING SEPARATELY.

BUT, UM, WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, RODNEY.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

RODNEY KNOWLES, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

AND WE SEE THAT THIS CAN BE ADDRESSED, UM, PRIMARILY THROUGH DEVELOPING A CLOSER RELATIONSHIP WITH NOT JUST THE VENDORS THAT ARE PERFORMING THE WORK WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT LOOKING AT OUR OWN STAFF AND OUR PROCESS INTERNALLY TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU MENTIONED.

WE HAVE THIS BACKLOG OF, UH, PERMITS THAT STRETCH AS FAR BACK AS 2016 IN SOME CASES THAT JUST HAVEN'T BEEN CLOSED OUT PROPERLY.

THE FINAL INSPECTION, UM, HASN'T BEEN, YOU KNOW, FORMALLY CLOSED OUT, PROJECT IS FINISHED, BUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT THOSE RIGHT OF WAY RESTORATIONS HAPPEN THE WAY THAT THEY SHOULD.

UH, WE HAVE THREE INSPECTORS.

WE ADDED A THIRD ONE RECENTLY.

UM, AND EVERYBODY IS IN ADDITION TO THEIR NORMAL DUTIES GOING BACK AND EATING AT THIS BACKLOG, KNOCKING IT DOWN.

AND WE ANTICIPATE BEING UP TO SPEED AND CURRENT BY THE FALL OF THIS YEAR GOING FORWARD, DEVELOPING A PROCESS WHERE WE ARE MONITORING THESE, UH, ACTIVITIES MUCH MORE CLOSELY.

WHERE TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE ANTICIPATED, UH, FINISH OF THE PROJECT, WE'RE ASKING THEM TO CONSIDER REQUESTING THE FINAL INSPECTION WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND WE ARE JUST WALKING THIS THING THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS EXECUTED PROPERLY AND THAT THE RESTORATIONS ARE COMPLETED, UM, AS COMPLETELY AS POSSIBLE.

SO WE SEE IT AS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, UH, WE CAN TACKLE INTERNALLY AND DO ON OUR END WITH STAFF.

SO I, I DON'T WANNA HA REHASH THE PAST.

I JUST WANNA EDUCATE MYSELF ON HOW THIS HAS HAPPENED BECAUSE WHEN I'VE ASKED, I OFTEN GET TOLD, UM, THEY CAN'T CLOSE OUT THE PERMIT UNTIL IT IS RESTORED COMPLETELY.

YET WE HAVE PROJECTS GOING BACK A DECADE THAT PRESUMABLY HAVE CLOSED PERMITS, BUT, OR MAYBE THEIR PERMITS WERE NEVER CLOSED, I'M NOT SURE, BUT HAVE NOT BEEN RESTORED.

SO EDUCATE ME ON HOW THAT LAPSE HAS HAPPENED.

SURE.

AND WE'VE HAD SOME TURNOVER WITH STAFF INTERNALLY, SO IT WAS, AND NOT TO POINT FINGERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE'VE JUST HAD A TRA UH, TRANSITION OVER THE YEARS AND A NEW SYSTEM THAT WE'VE IMPLEMENTED, UM, WITH REGARD TO PERMITTING.

SO IN THAT CONVERSION AND LOSING STAFF, ET CETERA, THINGS FELL THROUGH PROVERBIAL CRACKS.

UNFORTUNATELY, UM, THESE PROJECTS ARE FINISHED.

UM, THE RESTORATION HAS BEEN COMPLETED TO VARYING DEGREES AND WE, WE SEE SITUATIONS WHERE THE RESTORATION COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BETTER.

UM, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CONTACTING THE VENDOR THAT PERFORMED THE WORK AND INSISTING THAT IT BE DONE TO STANDARDS.

AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH OUR COLLEAGUES INTERNALLY WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS ESTABLISHING WHAT THAT STANDARD IS FOR CLOSEOUT.

AND I'LL USE GREEN SPACE MANAGEMENT, FOR EXAMPLE.

UM, IF THEY'VE DISRUPTED A LANDSCAPING AND THEIR RESTORATION IS INSTALLING, UH, LINERS OR ONE GALLON PLANT MATERIAL IN A BED THAT'S WELL ESTABLISHED FOR QUITE A WHILE, THE DIFFERENCE, IT LOOKS SLOPPY AND IT LOOKS NASTY.

SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF COORDINATING WITH OUR COLLEAGUES SAYING, LOOK, WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER AN ACCEPTABLE STANDARD FOR CLOSEOUT? AND THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD RECENTLY.

UM, AND WE ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE, THE LANDSCAPE INSPECTORS IN GREEN SPACE, WORKING ALONG WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY INSPECTORS, UM, AS A TEAM AS OPPOSED TO SEPARATE ENTITIES DOING THEIR OWN THING AND THEN COMPLETING COMPLAINING WHEN IT ISN'T DONE PROPERLY.

SO IT DOES THIS NEED TO BE CODIFIED? I MEAN, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE TURNOVER AND TRANSITION SURE.

IN AN ORGANIZATIONAL AS LARGE AS OURS.

SO HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT'S GREAT RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE ON TOP OF IT, WHICH IS AWESOME.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S BUY-IN FROM ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, WHICH IS ALSO AWESOME, BUT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, EVERYONE'S TAKEN OFF AND WE ALL WON THE LOTTERY AND WE'RE HAVE DEPARTED.

AND, UM, WHAT, HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN? MEMORIALIZE IT IN OUR SOPS.

SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE IN BLACK AND WHITE AND ESTABLISHED THAT TRANSIT TRANSCENDS ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES, THAT THIS IS THE ESTABLISHED STANDARD AND IT'S PASSED ON AND IT'S UPDATED REGULARLY.

SO THERE AND IS THAT WORK IN PROGRESS ALREADY? YES.

AND ARE YOU HAVING ANY PUSHBACK FROM VENDORS WHO MIGHT HAVE DONE A JOB THREE YEARS AGO AND WERE LIKE, DUDE, WE CLOSED THAT OUT.

WE'RE, WE'RE NOT COMING BACK.

SOMETIMES GETTING THEM ON BOARD COULD BE A CHALLENGE, GETTING 'EM TO BE RESPONSIVE.

UM, BUT THEY INTEND ON DOING WORK IN THE CITY GOING FORWARD, SO THEY WANT TO BE GOOD PARTNERS AND WE FOUND THAT LOOKING FORWARD AND THEM WANTING TO DO WORK IN THE CITY, AGAIN, HAS MOTIVATED 'EM TO COME BACK AND, AND DO RIGHT BY US.

UH, IN THE EVENING HOURS APPARENTLY.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

UM, I JUST WANNA BRING, BRING UP RECENTLY I'VE RECEIVED COMPLAINTS FROM SUNSET HARBOR,

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UM, THERE'S A CONTRACTOR THAT'S GOING IN THAT IS DOING UNDERGROUND WORK, UM, THAT THEN IS PUMPING WATER OUT, IS GOING INTO OTHER PROPERTIES.

UM, WHAT JUST, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS RIGHT OF WAY? ONE SECOND.

THE RIGHT WAY MANAGER IS HERE.

ALSO S GOOD AFTERNOON COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

ALEXANDER VAR, MANAGER, UM, I BELIEVE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 1759 PRETTY.

UM, IT'S IN FPL PROJECT, AN EMERGENCY PROJECT.

WE REACHED OUT TO THEM YESTERDAY.

UM, THEY'RE DEWATERING NOT INTO PRIVATE AREAS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, THEY'RE, THAT WATER IS GOING INTO THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY.

BUT, UM, WE REACHED OUT LAST NIGHT, UH, VIA EMAIL AND THEY WILL BE ADDRESSING IT TONIGHT, BUT IT IS AN EMERGENCY WORK.

IT WASN'T PLANNED, WASN'T SCHEDULED.

UH, THERE'S LOSS OF SERVICE IN THAT AREA.

AND WHEN, WHEN THEY TELL US THAT THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING AS IT RELATES TO AN EMERGENCY WORK, HOW DO WE VERIFY THAT? BECAUSE NOW IT'S HAPPENED TWICE, RIGHT? UH, WHERE THEY'VE GONE IN TWICE OVER A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME TO DO THIS TYPE OF WORK, UH, AND IT'S AFFECTING NEARBY PROPERTY.

SO HOW DO WE VERIFY THAT? SO EMERGENCY WORK FOR US, UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR FBL TRANSLATE TO RESTORATION WORK, THEY CALL IT RESTORATION BECAUSE THERE'S EITHER LOSS OF POWER OR A BACKUP FEEDERS OUT.

UM, THIS RESTORATION WORK IS USUALLY LIMITED TO CABLE POOLING, SO THERE'S REALLY NO EXCAVATING.

UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE KNOW WHEN THIS IS TRULY AN EMERGENCY.

WHEN IT GOES PAST CABLE POOLING OR WE NEED TO EXCAVATE, IT CHANGES THE NATURE OF EMERGENCY WORK.

UM, SO IT'S, THAT'S HOW WE KEEP AWARE OF THE EMERGENCY NATURE AND WE FOLLOW UP.

THEY USUALLY GIVE US A TIME AND EXPECTATION OF WORK.

IT'S USUALLY TO FIX THAT BACKUP FEEDER, A SHORT-TERM REPAIR, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A LONG-TERM REPAIR PERMITTED CORRECTLY WHERE PLANS ARE REVIEWED AND THEN THE ACTUAL PERMIT IS ISSUED FOR THE FINAL RESTORATION.

GREAT.

UH, COMMISSIONER MATA, ANYTHING ELSE WITH THIS ITEM? NOPE.

YOU WANNA KEEP THIS ITEM OPEN OR WE CAN CLOSE THIS ITEM? I THINK WE CAN CLOSE IT.

DIRECTOR, LET'S CALL ITEM NUMBER THREE.

SO WE CAN LET ME KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW IT'S GOING, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED A WHOLE COMMITTEE ITEM FOR OKAY, GREAT.

SO, UH, SEEING MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN PERSON WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, NONE WITH THEIR HANDS RAISED ON ZOOM, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THIS ITEM WITH THAT, UH, MR.

[3. DISCUSS STATUS OF OCEAN DRIVE CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT AND LUMMUS PARK ENHANCEMENT PROJECT]

OKAY, MR. CHAIR, ITEM NUMBER THREE IS DISCUSS STATUS OF OCEAN DRIVE CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT IN LOOMIS PARK ENHANCEMENT PROJECT.

COMMISSIONER BOND, THIS IS YOUR ITEM.

I'M PROUD TO BE A CO-SPONSOR ALONGSIDE OUR COLLEAGUE COMMISSIONER JOSEPH MAGAZINES.

UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M JUST GONNA LET YOU TAKE IT, DAVID.

GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

UM, DAVID GOMEZ, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

UH, IF THERE'S ONE THING I'VE LEARNED ON THIS PROJECT IS THAT I NOW OFFICIALLY HATE TRAFFIC STUDIES .

UM, THEY TAKE FOREVER AND THEY'RE VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND AND THEY PRESENT ALL SORTS OF CHALLENGES.

UM, AS I'M SURE YOU ARE FAMILIAR, UM, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY PHASE SINCE APRIL OF LAST YEAR.

UM, AND IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, THE CITY COMMISSION PASSED A RESOLUTION TO BEGIN IMPLEMENTING, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE WEST SIDE OF OCEAN DRIVE.

UM, OUR CONSULTANTS PREPARED A, AN ANALYSIS AND A PRESENTATION THAT WAS SHARED DURING A PUBLIC MEETING ON MARCH 6TH.

AND UNFORTUNATELY WE COULD NOT GET CONSENSUS FROM THOSE IN ATTENDANCE ON WHAT THEIR PREFERENCES WERE.

WE DID DEVELOP AND PUBLISH AN ONLINE SURVEY, WHICH AGAIN ASKED VARIOUS DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.

THE TAKEAWAY FROM THAT ONLINE SURVEY WAS ESSENTIALLY THAT THOSE THAT RESPONDED, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER NOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I WANNA SAY IT WAS OVER 400 FOLKS.

UM, THOSE THAT RESPONDED PREFERRED TO WAIT FOR THE PERMANENT IMPROVEMENT TO OCEAN DRIVE BEFORE BEGINNING A A, AN IMPLEMENTATION OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE WEST SIDE SIDEWALK.

UM, AS YOU WILL RECALL, ON MARCH 21ST DURING THE CITY COMMISSION, I DID PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE COMMISSION ON WHERE WE WERE WITH THE ANALYSIS AND WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION JULY 25TH, UM, WITH THE CONSULTANT TO PRESENT THE FINDINGS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS.

HOPEFULLY WE WALK AWAY FROM THAT MEETING WITH DIRECTION FROM COMMISSION ON WHICH CONFIGURATIONS THE PREFERRED OPTION.

WE DID HEAR DURING LAST MONTH'S COMMISSION MEETING THAT THERE IS A PREFERENCE FOR FULL PEDESTRIANIZATION.

SO WE WILL COME BACK IN JULY AND PROVIDE THAT UPDATE AND, AND HOPEFULLY GET DIRECTION.

SO LET ME JUST ASK YOU, UH,

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SO THE CALVIN, GRD ALVIN GIORDANO GIORDANO, UM, THEIR WORK WAS TO LOOK AT ONLY THE OCEAN DRIVE PORTION OR WERE THEY CONTRACTED TO LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF THE SCO PLAN ADOPTED IN 2222 AND SEE WHAT ASPECTS OF IT WOULD BE FEASIBLE TO MOVE FORWARD IN THEIR SCOPE OF WORK WAS SPECIFIC TO THE OCEAN DRIVE CORRIDOR.

AND THE MASTER PLAN FOR LOOMIS PARK.

SO, AND AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S GONNA COME BACK TO US WHEN NEXT, UH, NOT JUNE, THE JULY COMMISSION MEETING.

THE JULY COMMISSION MEETING.

WHAT PORTIONS OF IT WE SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD WITH? IT WILL BE THE, THEIR PRESENTATION ON AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION ON WHICH CONFIGURATION FOR OCEAN DRIVE, WHETHER IT'S ONE WAY, TWO WAY OR FULL PEDESTRIANIZATION.

THAT TIME WAS ALL INCLUDED IN THEIR BASE FEE.

AND THEN ONCE WE GET DIRECTION FROM COMMISSION, THEY WILL THEN BEGIN DEVELOPING THE, THE 30%.

BUT WHY DO WE NEED A CONSULTANT TO TELL US WHETHER WE WANNA DO FULL PEDESTRIANIZATION OR NOT? WHEN IT'S, WHEN THAT'S A POLICY DECISION THAT I THINK THIS COMMISSION HAS BEEN PRETTY CLEAR ON WHERE IT STANDS IN THAT POLICY MATTER.

IT'S ACTUALLY TIED TO THE RESULTS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

IF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH INDICATION HAVEN'T BEEN THAT.

SO THAT THIS FAR, I THOUGHT THAT THE CALVIN GIORDANO, THE PURPOSE WAS, AND PERHAPS IT'S MY ERROR BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS KOVICH PLAN WAS, YOU KNOW, VERY CREATIVE, HAD MANY ELEMENTS.

HMM.

BUT THEN I THOUGHT THAT THE PURPOSE OF HIRING, UM, HIRING THIS ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN FIRM WAS TO REACH OUT, ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, SEE WHAT OUR BUDGET WAS, WHAT COULD WE DO AND OUR MEANS TOGETHER WITH THE DESIRES OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN COME BACK WITH KIND OF LIKE THE HAIRCUT VERSION, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE MOLDED TO WHAT WE COULD ACTUALLY AFFORD THAT WAS ALIGNED WITH, WITH, UH, WITH THE DESIRES OF THE COMMUNITY.

I'M GONNA RECOGNIZE OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, DAVID MARTINEZ AND COMMISSIONER, WHAT YOU DESCRIBED AS, AS PART OF WHAT CALVIN GIARDANO WILL BE DOING.

HOWEVER, BEFORE THEY DO THAT, IN ORDER TO MAKE FOR THE COMMISSION THE MAYOR COMMISSION TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE CONFIGURATION OF OCEAN DRIVE, THE TRAFFIC STUDIES ARE REQUIRED BECAUSE IT IMPACTS, OF COURSE, AS, AS WE ALL KNOW, THE COUNTY HAS TO, UH, HAVE A SAY IN IT.

FDOT HAS TO HAVE A SAY IN IT.

'CAUSE IT, IT ALSO IMPACTS COLLINS AVENUE, WHICH IS A STATE ROAD.

AND IT CONSTITUTES FOR US TO CHANGE OCEAN DRIVE FROM WHATEVER IT IS TODAY.

IT CONSTITUTES LANE REPURPOSING, WHICH HAS A STATUTE THAT TELLS US WHAT WE NEED, WHAT PROCESS WE NEED TO MAKE.

SO WE WOULD NOT WANT TO COME TO THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDING OR ASKING YOU WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO WITH IT? AND THEN YOU TELL US YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING AND WE GO BACK AND THEN SOMETHING WE, IT CAN'T BE DONE BECAUSE THEY DON'T AGREE WITH US.

SO AHEAD OF GOING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE TO DO THIS UPFRONT WORK THAT'S TAKEN QUITE A BIT OF TIME TO GATHER ALL THE DATA THAT'S GONNA BE PRESENTED AND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA, SO WE STILL HAVEN'T FORMALLY GONE OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS WITH COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING THE PUBLIC MEETING THAT WAS HELD IN MARCH MOST RECENTLY.

UH, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE TWO OF THE ASSOCIATIONS.

WE'VE ALSO MET WITH THEM.

UM, AND WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK ON, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT RIGHT HERE.

I'M, AND I'M SORRY, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT RIGHT HERE.

WE ENGAGED THIS CONSULTANT IN 2022.

IN 2022, THIS CONSULTANT WAS SUPPOSED, WAS SUPPOSED TO START IN WITH THE, WITH THE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT IS THAT SINCE 2022, THE ONLY STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT IS THAT MEETING WHERE WE WERE ALL AT AND TWO HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATED.

THERE'S SOMETHING REALLY WRONG HERE.

THE BULK OF THE TIME THAT THE, I'M SORRY.

THE AWARD FOR CGA DID HAPPEN IN 22.

THE, THE EXECUTION, IT WAS AT THE END OF 22.

SO THEY STARTED IN 23, THE THREE YEARS AGO, THE BULK OF THE TIME BETWEEN 2023 AND WHEN THEY BEGAN THE TRAFFIC STUDY IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR, WAS ARGUING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE COUNTY AND FDOT ON HOW TO PERFORM THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH METHODOLOGY TO USE, WHAT NUMBER OF STUDIES THEY NEEDED TO DO, HOW MANY INTERSECTIONS.

IT WAS A LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS JUST MAKING, JUST ARRANGING MEETINGS WITH DOT TOOK FOREVER.

AND WERE, WE, WERE, WERE WE PAYING THEM THIS WHOLE TIME? IT'S ALL PART OF THEIR FEE.

SO IT DIDN'T LIKE THE FACT THAT IT WAS BEEN DRAGGED OUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS HAS NOT INCREASED THE COST.

NO, THERE WAS, THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT, BUT THE AMENDMENT CAME AS A RESULT OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC STUDIES RE RESULTING FROM THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

IT WASN'T PART OF THEIR BASE FEE.

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IN ADDITION, PART OF THE DELAY INCLUDED THE COUNTY NOT WANTING TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION WITH THE LAWSUIT ASSOCIATED WITH OCEAN DRIVE, UH, IN THE CLEVELAND OR, AND ALL OF THAT.

SO IF THE COUNTY WOULD NOT TELL US THEY AGREE OR DISAGREE OR NOT, THEN WE COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD.

SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT WAS INVOLVED IN THE DELAY OF COMING UP WITH A, UH, AN, UH, A STRATEGY ON HOW TO ANALYZE THE TRAFFIC DATA AND THE MODELS THAT WERE GONNA BE USED TO, UH, TO ANALYZE THAT.

AND, AND JUST ONE MORE THING, WHAT, WHAT CALVIN ANO IS GONNA COME IN JULY IS NOT TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU SHOULD DO.

IT'S TO TELL YOU WHAT CAN BE DONE AND GIVE YOU OPTIONS SO THAT Y'ALL CAN MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION ON WHICH WAY TO ADDRESS OCEAN DRIVE OPTIONS AS IT RELATES TO WHETHER TO, TO PEDESTRIANIZE OR NOT.

WHAT THEY'RE GONNA SAY IS, IF YOU CHOOSE TO GO ONE WAY, THESE ARE THE PARAMETERS THAT WE SEE.

IF YOU CHOOSE TO GO BACK TO TWO WAYS, THESE ARE IT.

AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO FULLY PEDESTRIANIZE OR SOME HYBRID, THESE ARE THE PARAMETERS.

I DON'T THINK AT THIS POINT THE EVIDENCE OR THE, OR THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY HAVE SHOWN ANYTHING THAT'S NOT DOABLE.

THERE'S JUST DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF WHAT CAN BE DONE AND DIFFERENT IMPACTS.

HOW QUICKLY CAN WE MOVE THE MOMENT THIS COMES BACK TO US IN JULY, YOU SAID MM-HMM .

HOW QUICKLY DO WE MOVE FORWARD AT THAT POINT? AND LET'S NOT FORGET THIS IS, WE TALK ABOUT THE THREATS TO THE POSTCARD OF OUR CITY.

THIS IS THE POSTCARD , YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE POSTCARD, OCEAN DRIVE, LOOMIS PARK.

THIS IS THE MOST PEDESTRIAN, THE MOST POPULAR, THE MOST ICONIC, THE MOST PHOTOGRAPHED PART OF OUR CITY.

THE, THAT PARK IS IT IT IS, IT IS OUR BIGGEST ATTRACTION AS IT RELATES TO PARKS.

WE HAVE MUSSEL BEACH THERE, WE HAVE THE PLAYGROUND THERE.

WE HAVE JUST SO MUCH GOING ON THERE.

SO HOW QUICKLY DO WE MOVE AFTER JULY? AS SOON AS WE HAVE DIRECTION FROM COMMISSION, THEY BEGIN THE 30% DRAWINGS AND THE FORMAL PERMITTING PROCESS.

AS YOU KNOW, THE PERMITTING PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY ON REPURPOSING ROADS SPECIFICALLY IS DIFFICULT AND TIME CONSUMING.

SO WE ARE ANTICIPATING GOING BEFORE THE HPB WITH THE DESIGN IN MAY OF NEXT YEAR.

AND THEN ONCE WE GET APPROVAL FROM HPV, IT'S A MATTER OF MONTHS FOR COMPLETION OF DESIGN AND THEN CONSTRUCTION.

AND SO THE, SO FROM JULY TO CONSTRUCTION, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT 12 MONTHS? 24 MONTHS, 36 MONTHS FROM JULY TO CONSTRUCTION.

YOU LOST ME THERE.

JULY 25TH WHEN WE GIVE DIRECTION, OH, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY 18 MONTHS.

18 MONTHS.

AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE PRESENTED ON JULY 25TH IS DOABLE PER COUNTY AND STATE LAWS, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY SURPRISES WHERE THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND OR CGA HAS BEEN HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH BOTH THE COUNTY AND DOT.

WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY FLAWS YET IN EITHER IN ANY OF THE CONFIGURATIONS, WHICH WOULD PROHIBIT THE, THE CONFIGURATION.

WE MAY NEED TO DO ADDITIONAL ITEMS. WE MAY NEED TO CHANGE ADDITIONAL SIGNALS.

WE MAY NEED TO, UH, REMOVE PARKING SPACES ON, ON COLLINS.

THERE'S THINGS THAT, THAT I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS FOR, BUT EACH OPTION WILL PRESENT ITS OWN CHALLENGES AND NEEDS.

DAVID, LET ME ASK YOU, UM, BACK IN FEBRUARY, THIS COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED A RESOLUTION FOR LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING AND IRRIGATION IMPROVEMENTS TO LOOMIS PARK.

WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE A COMPANY THAT IS SPECIFICALLY, UH, AN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN SERVICES COMPANY ALREADY PART OF A BROADER, UH, PROJECT FOR THIS, UH, FOR OCEAN DRIVE, UH, LOOMIS PARK, THEIR CURRENT SCOPE DOES NOT INCLUDE THE IMPROVEMENTS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS GOING TO REQUIRE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PROCUREMENT AND AN ARCHITECT AND ENGINEERING, UH, COMPANY TO BE CONTRACTED.

SO THAT TO ME EQUATES TIME.

YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THE GREATER PROJECT IS 18 MONTHS FROM BREAKING GROUND.

UH, SO BASED ON THAT, IF IT'S 18 MONTHS FROM BREAKING GROUND, IS IT EVEN ADVANTAGEOUS TO ENGAGE IN THIS, UM, EAST ON THIS, ON THESE IMPROVEMENTS ON LOOMIS PARK? THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC NEEDS IN LOOMIS PARK, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

WE HAVE MET WITH PARKS AND RECREATION AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT SCOPE.

UM, THERE WAS A BRIEF WHILE WHERE I WAS, UH, CONSIDERING HAVING CGA IMPLEMENT THAT AS PART OF THEIR OVERALL PLAN.

UM, BUT I THINK I DON'T WANT TO DISTRACT THEM FROM WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON THE OTHER STUFF.

SO WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT, UH, CONSULTANT TO DO THAT.

THE I THE PURPOSE OF COURSE BEING IDENTIFYING THAT THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE NOW THAT WILL BE PART OF THE FINAL PRODUCT, BUT ARE, ARE WE GOING TO SPEND TIME PROCURING AND

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SO I WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK WITH AN AMENDMENT ANYWAY.

AND SO IF WE DO GO OUT TO PROCUREMENT, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, IS THIS A JOCK CONTRACT? IS THIS A PUSH BUTTON? IS THIS WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE USING ONE OF THE ROTATIONAL CONSULTANTS OFF OF OUR CONTINUING SERVICES.

SO IT'S A MORE EXPEDITED FORM OF PROCUREMENT.

AND IN, SO FROM THE MOMENT WE AWARD, UM, HOW QUICKLY DO WE ANTICIPATE WE CAN SEE WORK HAPPENING IN LOOMIS PARK AS IT RELATES TO LIGHTING? I MEAN THE LIGHTING, WE HAVE LIGHTING THERE, BUT IT TRIPS BECAUSE THERE'S NO PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE WANT LANDSCAPING THERE.

BETTER LANDSCAPING, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE BETTER LANDSCAPING WITHOUT THE IRRIGATION.

SO, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FROM AWARDING THE CONTRACT TO IMPLEMENTATION? I WOULD BE HESITANT TO GIVE YOU A TIME WITHOUT HAVING THE CONSULTANT ON BOARD SO THAT I KNOW HOW MUCH THEY HAVE TO DO.

ARE WE GOING TO BE MAKING AN INVESTMENT THAT LATER IS GOING TO BE RIPPED OUT AS PART OF THE BIGGER PROJECT? THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN FOR LU PARK IS A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN THE LINE.

UM, YOU TOLD ME IT'S 18 MONTHS.

NO, NO, THAT'S OCEAN DRIVE.

THE CGA IS CURRENTLY ONLY PREPARING A MASTER PLAN FOR LUMI.

THAT'S A MUCH BIGGER PROJECT.

UM, SO THEY, THE WHATEVER WE DO NOW WILL BE USEFUL AND OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD LOOK AT INCORPORATING WHATEVER WE CAN SO THAT IT'S PART OF THE FINAL PRODUCT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE DA? I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THIS, MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DO NOW GETS, UM, INCORPORATED INTO THE PLAN GOING FORWARD.

SO WE'RE NOT DOING STUFF RIPPING IT OUT.

REDOING STUFF.

YES MA'AM.

SO, SO LOOMIS PARK IS A MUCH BIGGER PROJECT THAN OCEAN DRIVE.

BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OCEAN DRIVE BEFORE WE DO WITH LOOMIS PARK.

THERE'S VERY LITTLE INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE, THE SCOPE FOR CGA IS TO DEVELOP THE MASTER PLAN SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT, SO THAT WE CAN PLAN WHAT THE INTERFACE IS BETWEEN THE OCEAN DRIVE CORRIDOR AND THE PARK.

SO IT, SO FOR EXAMPLE, ON THERE'S ON A SPECIFIC, IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC ENTRY, WE'LL PLAN FOR THAT NOW SO THAT WHATEVER WE DO IN THE CORRIDOR COMPLIES LATER.

SO THIS CITY COMMISSION RIGHT NOW IS GONNA BE THE DETERMINING FACTOR OF HOW OCEAN DRIVE AND LOOMIS PARK IS GOING TO LOOK YES.

FOR THE NEXT FORESEEABLE FUTURE.

YES, SIR.

OH, HOW EXCITING.

ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, ARE THERE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE SIGN? I'M SEEING NONE IN PERSON.

I SEE MITCH NOVIK HAS HIS HAND RAISED.

MITCH, WELCOME.

YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK THA THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

AND EVERYONE, MITCH NOVIK HERE, TAXPAYERS SPENT 650,000 FOR KOVICH AND ASSOCIATES TO PRESENT AN ESTIMATED A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS PLAN FOR LO PARK, WHICH ENTAILS RELOCATING OCEAN DRIVE INTO THE PARK, DESTROYING THE VESTIGES OF THE ORIGINAL 1870S COCONUT PLANTATION, WHICH REMAINED TODAY IN LIGHT OF THE COUNTY CHARTERS, EXPLICIT PROHIBITION ON PLACING PUBLIC ROADWAYS WITHIN PARKS.

MY QUESTION IS, HAS MALPRACTICE OCCURRED? THERE'S A $20 MILLION BOWL, UH, FOR OCEAN DRIVE, UH, UH, WHICH REALLY CAN'T BE USED IN TERMS OF RELOCATING OCEAN DRIVE, OCEAN DRIVE.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR OCEAN DRIVE CAN BE FOUND ON OCEAN COURT.

UH, MY QUESTION IS, WHY DON'T WE JUST SPEND THE 5 MILLION ALLOCATED FOR LA PARK ON PLANTING MORE COCONUT PALMS AND A FEW SEA GRAPE TREES AND ABANDON THIS CRAZY PLAN, WHICH CAN'T BE REALIZED.

AND AS FAR AS PEDESTRIANIZATION OF THE ROADWAY IS CONCERNED, IT'S ALREADY BEEN DECIDED BY THE COURTS AND THE COUNTY SAID THAT OCEAN COURT WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC CAPACITY THAT OCEAN DRIVE REQUIRES TO SERVICE THE BUILDINGS ALONG THAT STREET.

STREET, I, TO ME, OCEAN DRIVE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A STRAIGHT STREET.

MITCH.

ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE.

UH, I, I DO AGREE WITH, WITH THE COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THE STREET THROUGH THE PARK.

I, YOU KNOW, EVEN CHANGING, CHANGING, UH, THE STREET TO BEING A CURVED

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UH, AND IT GOES WITH THE, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WITH THE STYLE OF THE ARCHITECTURE, THE STREAMLINE AND, AND, AND OUR DECO ARCHITECTURE ON OCEAN DRIVE.

AND THE MOMENT YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, IT IS A VERY RECTOR LINEAR STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE WITH RECTOR LINEAR, UH, STREETS.

AND I LIKE THAT WORD.

AND, UH, AND CURVING IT AND PUTTING IT THROUGH THE PARK.

IT'S CERTAINLY, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M GONNA ALIGN WITH.

SO, WITHOUT ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S, UH, WHAT YES, YES.

I'M NOT SURE IF TOM HAD BROUGHT UP BEFORE, BUT ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS BASICALLY THE SAME TOPIC.

SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU CAN PROBABLY, WELL, I THINK WITH

[8. PROVIDE A PRESENTATION OF THE OCEAN DRIVE CORRIDOR PROJECT AND FUTURE DIRECTION.]

EIGHT, LET'S SEE.

LET'S LOOK AT ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, SPONSORED BY COMMISSIONER BOND.

IT SEEMS LIKE DIFFICULT TO DISCUSS THE STATUS OF THE YEAH, SO I THINK, I THINK WE CAN SHOW ITEMS NUMBER, NUMBER THREE AND ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AS ADDRESSED.

UM, WITH THAT,

[11. DISCUSS AND IDENTIFY POTENTIAL SITES FOR THE INSTALLATION OF “THE GLORY OF OLD GLORY,” A SERIES OF MURALS BY ARTIST ENZO GALLO, WHICH WERE REMOVED, PRESERVED, AND DONATED TO THE CITY PRIOR TO THE DEMOLITION OF THE WELLS FARGO BANK ON ALTON ROAD.]

LET'S CALL ITEM NUMBER 11.

OKAY, MR. CHAIR.

ITEM NUMBER 11 IS DISCUSS AND IDENTIFY POTENTIAL SITES FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE GLORY OF OLD GLORY.

A SERIES OF MURALS BY ARTIST ENZO GALLO.

WHICH WERE REMOVED, PRESERVED, AND DONATED TO THE CITY PRIOR TO THE DEMOLITION OF THE WELLS FARGO BANK ON ALTON ROAD.

THANK YOU, MR. DIRECTOR.

AND, UM, THIS IS A CIP ITEM AND WE HAVE DAVID GOMEZ.

IT IS, AND I AM STILL HERE.

, YOU'RE AT THE PODIUM.

I FIGURED.

LET'S GO BACK WITH A CIP ITEM.

UH, TELL US WHERE, WHERE ARE WE WITH THE PLACEMENT OF THE MURALS AT THE 72ND STREET COMMUNITY CENTER? AS YOU WILL RECALL, THIS BODY, UH, REFERRED AN ITEM TO COMMISSION IN MAY, UH, ASKING THEM TO CONSIDER THE PLACEMENT OF THE ENZO GALLO MURALS AT 72ND STREET.

UM, THEY APPROVED THAT, UH, RECOMMENDATION AND WE ARE HERE TODAY TO PRESENT THE PRELIMINARY FINDINGS FROM THE DESIGN CONSULTANT FOR THE 72ND STREET COMPLEX.

UM, WHAT THEY HAVE DETERMINED IS THAT THERE IS NO INTERIOR WALL LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THESE MURALS.

THESE MURALS ARE 15 FEET BY 15 FEET, SO IT, IT'S HARD TO GET THAT KIND OF INTERIOR OPEN SPACE.

UM, SO THEY CAN'T ACCOMMODATE IT INSIDE THE BUILDING, BUT THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED TWO EXTERIOR WALLS.

THEY COULD POTENTIALLY ACCOMMODATE THE ARTWORK.

UH, THEY'RE ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER AND THE NORTHEAST CORNER FACING 73RD AND 72ND STREET.

UM, THAT'S A POTENTIAL.

THEY DO NEED TO DO A LITTLE MORE STUDY, UH, TO CONFIRM IT.

AND ULTIMATELY, THE PLACEMENT AND THE DESIGN OF IT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY DRB, UM, AS PART OF THE EXTERIOR FACADE OF THE BUILDING.

UH, THERE IS A CAUTION SHOULD THE, THE BODY DECIDE TO PROCEED WITH FURTHER INVESTIGATION, THAT I'D HAVE TO ISSUE AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONSULTANTS SO THAT THEY CAN DO THE ADDITIONAL MODELING AND ADDITIONAL DESIGN WORK INVOLVED TO PREPARE THOSE DOCUMENTS.

UM, WE ARE ASKING, OR WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT SHOULD THIS BODY AND THE COMMISSION DECIDE TO PROCEED WITH PLACING IT AT 72ND THAT WE DO SO THROUGH THE 26 BUDGET PROCESS.

UM, IMPORTANT COMMUNITY BENEFIT OF HAVING THIS COMPLEX THERE.

I JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT, UH, ARTS AND PUBLIC PLACES DID ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION BACK IN 2022, UH, SUPPORTING THE PRESERVATION OF, OF THE MURALS.

AND I THINK, UH, WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND CIVIC NATURE OF THESE, OF THESE MURALS AND HOW WE DON'T, IT'S NOT EVERY DAY THAT WE ARE BUILDING A CIVIC FACILITY, UH, WHERE THIS TYPE OF ARTWORK WOULD BE CONTEXTUAL AND APPROPRIATE.

AND, UM, AND, AND TO, AND TO THAT EXTENT, I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, OF COURSE I'M BIASED BECAUSE I, I WORKED WITH MDPL, UM, IN, UM, IN, IN PRESERVING THIS, THE, THESE MURALS.

AND, UM, AND SO OF COURSE I HAVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF BIAS.

I WANNA SEE THEM PLACE THEIR BEAUTIFUL MURALS, THEIR PATRIOTIC MURALS, AND THEY, AND THEY DO BELONG IN A CIVIC FACILITY.

UM, SO I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M FINE, UH, WITH US MOVING FORWARD, UH, WITH, UH, WITH HAVING THEM EXPLORE WHETHER THEY CAN BE PROPERLY PLACED ON THE EXPER ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.

AND MR. SHABA.

YEAH, I'M, I'M SUPER SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, REALLY AN AN, AN UPGRADE.

NOT AN UPGRADE, AN ENHANCEMENT OF AN ALREADY,

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AND I THINK IT'S, UM, PUTS THEM IN A HIGH VISIBILITY SPOT, UM, ADJACENT TO THE VAN SHELL AND TO PARKS WHERE LOTS OF PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE AND ENJOY THEM AND RESTORE THEM, NO PUN INTENDED, TO THEIR FORMER GLORY, UM, AS THEY SHOULD BE.

SO THE ADMINISTRATION'S RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR US TO EVALUATE THE INCLUSION OF THE, OF THE MURALS.

UM, LET'S SEE.

WHAT ACTION DO YOU NEED FROM US TODAY, DAVID? UH, A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION TO INCLUDE THE MURALS AT THE 72ND STREET PROJECT AND LOOKING TO IDENTIFY THE FUNDING THROUGH THE FISCAL 28 6, UH, BUDGET CYCLE.

AND THE FUNDING THAT YOU WOULD NEED AS PART OF THE 26TH FUNDING CYCLE WOULD BE, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN BE PLACED.

IT WOULD BE FOR DESIGN AND AND ANALYSIS, INCLUDING THE, THE ANALYSIS BY THE RESTORER, SO THAT TO, TO DETERMINE HOW IT WOULD BE MOUNTED AND HOW IT WOULD BE PLACED ON THE NORTHEAST OR SOUTHWEST SOUTHEAST CORNER.

THERE IS STATE OVERSIGHT THAT WE WERE CONTEMPLATING HAVING.

IS PART OF THE FUNDING, CAN PART OF THE FUNDING IN TERMS OF THE INSTALLATION COME FROM THE GEO BOND PROJECT ITSELF? I UNDERSTAND THAT THE RESTORER NEEDS TO ASSESS AND EVALUATE AND FIGURE OUT HOW THIS IS GONNA BE DONE, BUT LIKE ONCE, NO, UM, I AM VERY CONCERNED, AS, AS YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION BUDGET IS VERY TIGHT.

AND THE PREVIOUS INFORMATION PROVIDED BY FACILITIES IN THE RESTORE IS THAT THE ARTWORK ALONE TO RESTORE THE ARTWORK ALONE IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND $4 MILLION.

IT'S NOT A SMALL AMOUNT.

MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, YES.

UM, WE MIGHT, WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER IS MAYBE MOVING A LITTLE SLOWER.

WE DO HAVE A LITTLE TIME TO DESIGN THIS, THIS FACILITY AND GO THROUGH A LOT OF THE STAGES.

UM, IS TO MOVE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO COMMISSION DIRECTING STAFF TO PROCEED WITH A FEASIBILITY AND COSTING OF WHERE IT COULD GO ON THE BUILDING, WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE, UM, AND THEN BRINGING THAT BACK TO YOU, SHOWING YOU WHAT IT IS.

AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IT'LL HAVE A, A PRICE TAG IN TERMS OF WHAT IT IT WOULD COST TO IMPLEMENT.

AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WE CAN MAKE A DECISION IF YOU DO WANT TO PROCEED AND ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT IT IN THE BUILDING OR NOT.

I SUPPORT THAT.

I THINK THAT'S, UM, AND, AND ALSO TO PRIORITIZE.

'CAUSE THERE IS GONNA BE A COST OF COURSE, OF THE FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER, DAVID, BUT THERE WILL BE THAT THE ALSO INCLUDE THAT, THAT'S WHAT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING TO INCLUDE IN THE 26 BUDGET IS TO CONDUCT THAT FEASIBILITY.

THE 26 BUDGET WOULD ACTUALLY BE WHAT YOU IDENTIFIED AS THE COST TO INSTALL, AS WELL AS THE FULL DESIGN.

THE FEASIBILITY, I HAVE ARRANGED RIGHT NOW SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 40 AND $60,000.

UH, IT'S NOT FINALIZED BECAUSE THEY WERE STILL WAITING ON SOME OF THE CONSULTANTS.

SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS LET'S APPROVE, LET, LET'S SEND TO THE COMMISSION TO PROCEED WITH THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT IN THE BALLPARK OF 40 TO 60 MILLION, UH, 40 TO $60,000, EXCUSE ME, TO CONDUCT THAT, BRING IT BACK TO THE BODY.

WE CAN PUT UP PLACEHOLDER IN THE 26TH BUDGET IN CASE WE DECIDE WE WANT TO PROCEED.

SO THAT A, THERE'S A PLACEHOLDER TO, FOR FULL DESIGN AND THEN FUTURE IMPLEMENTATION WHEN THE FACILITY IS CONSTRUCTED, WHEN, WHEN IT IS, UM, IMPLEMENTED, YOU KNOW, THE FEASIBILITY STRUCTURE IS GONNA, UH, STUDY IS GONNA TAKE SOME TIME.

UM, AND GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS WILL TAKE SOME TIME WHEN IT IS IMPLEMENTED.

IN THEORY, THE CRA WILL HAVE MORE FUNDS IN ITS COFFER, AND THIS IS A PERMANENT ART STRUCTURE INSTALLATION.

SO IN THEORY, THE CRA COULD HELP TO PHRASE SOME OF THE COSTS.

SO LET'S KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WELL.

SO MAYBE A MILLION COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL, YOU KNOW, I BUDGET AND A MILLION COMES OUTTA THE CRA.

SO I JUST WANNA BE ALSO VERY MINDFUL.

AND I, AND AND I, AND I APPRECIATE I ACTUALLY WITH THIS, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR ITEM ON THE NORTH BEACH MASTER PLAN, AND I'M, AND, AND I BELIEVE THIS FALLS APART OF THE MASTER PLAN.

UH, CORRECT ME, DAVID, IF I'M WRONG, IS THE 72ND STREET, UH, COMPLEX, A, A CIVIC TYPE COMPLEX ON THAT PROPERTY, I THINK IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER WAS CONTEMPLATED IN THE NORTH BEACH MASTER PLAN.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, THE CRA FUNDS, WHICH ARE VERY PRECIOUS FUNDS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SEEING HOW THEY ALIGN THEIR USE ALIGNS WITH THE NORTH BEACH MASTER PLAN.

UH, OTHERWISE WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA END UP USING THOSE FUNDS FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, RATHER THAN THE UNIFIED AND ALIGNED DIVISION OF A VERY IMPORTANT MASTER AND GOVERNING DOCUMENT FOR THE, FOR THE AREA.

IN THIS CASE, IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IT'S, IT IS PART OF THAT, OF, OF THAT, UM, OF THAT DOCUMENT.

SO THAT, WELL, AND I WILL SAY THERE'S BEEN SOME VERY ROBUST DISCUSSION AT THE CCRA ADVISORY COMMITTEES ABOUT HOW TO DISPERSE THE FUNDS, HOW TO USE THEM.

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I I THINK ADAM IS NOT SUCH A BIG STICKER OVER OUR HEADS RIGHT NOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY MINDFUL OF HOW THOSE FUNDS GET USED AND THAT THEY FIT WITHIN THE, THE, THE MISSION OF THE CRA.

UM, AND IT'S SUPPORTING THE VIEW, THE, THE VISION OF NORTH BEACH.

UH, WITH THAT, SO, I'M SORRY.

DO WE NEED TO, UM, WOULD WE NEED TO THEN SEND SOMETHING TO THE NORTH BEACH CRA TO GET THEM TO AGREE? OR IS THAT PREMATURELY POINT? WELL, I THINK, I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW WE DON'T NEED A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT.

YEP.

JUST YET, WE'RE JUST DOING A FEASIBILITY STUDY, WHICH WE'RE GONNA TRY TO INCORPORATE INTO THE 26TH BUDGET.

IS THAT CORRECT, DAVID? CORRECT.

WE STILL NEED THE MONEY, THE AUTHORIZATION FROM COMMISSION TO SPEND THE MONEY FEASIBILITY ON THE FEASIBILITY RIGHT.

BEFORE WE EVEN GET INTO CONSTRUCTION AND FULL DESIGN.

WITH THAT, IS THERE ANYONE IN FROM THE PUBLIC PRESENT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE IN PERSON.

I SEE LARRY SCHAFER HAS HIS HAND RAISED ON ZOOM.

IS LARRY WELCOME.

UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UH, BRING UP THE POSSIBILITY THAT MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER LOCATIONS FOR THESE GORGEOUS, UH, MURALS.

UH, THE EXISTING NORTH SHORE PARK AND YOUTH CENTER HAS A LARGE EXTERIOR WALL ON 72ND STREET BETWEEN HARDING AND I BELIEVE THAT'S DICKENS THERE.

UH, THEY MAY HAVE INTERIOR WALL SPACE AT THE EXISTING NORTH SHORE PARK AND YOUTH CENTER, A BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY BUILT.

UM, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE WAITING FOR YEARS TO SEE THESE MURALS.

IF WE CHOOSE THAT.

ANOTHER PLACE COULD POSSIBLY BE THE MIAMI BEACH BAND SHELL, ALTHOUGH FROM ON ARTISTIC PERSPECTIVE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO KEEP THOSE WALLS IN NEUTRAL AVAILABLE FOR PROJECTIONS.

A THIRD SITE MIGHT BE UNIDAD INTERIOR WALLS OR EXTERIOR WALLS.

AND THEN THE LAST IDEA FOR A LOCATION, THERE IS A WALL ON 72ND STREET AT THE BEACH ACCESS THAT MAY BE OWNED BY THE BURLEY HOUSE.

SO VERY VISIBLE WALL.

I THINK THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME IDEAS FOR MURALS THERE BEFORE, BUT THAT IS A EXISTING EXTERIOR WALL THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO RECEIVE AND ENJOY THE BENEFITS OF THIS MURAL NOW AND NOT TIE THE DELIVERY TO SOME DATE THAT KEEPS GETTING PUSHED OFF WITH THAT 72ND STREET PROJECT.

THAT'S SOME GREAT FEEDBACK RIGHT THERE.

WITH THAT, UH, LET'S SHOW THIS ITEM ADOPTED BY ACCLIMATION, UH, WITH, UH, FUNDING TO BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE 26TH BUDGET.

DID YOU WANT TO CONTINUE IT TO A FUTURE DATE? SO AS DAVID SAID, IT COULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU? OR DID YOU WANT TO JUST RE-REFER WHEN IT'S READY TO COME BACK TO YOU? MR. MARTINEZ? I THINK YOU CAN DIRECT US TO BRING IT BACK WHEN IT'S READY.

FOR, FOR Y'ALL TO OPINE.

AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT STEP.

WE WILL DO THAT.

FOUR, MR. DIRECTOR, LET'S CALL THAT ITEM.

SO WE'LL LEAVE IT ON AS A FUTURE ITEM.

UH, I THINK WE CAN CLOSE IT AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BRING BACK A NEW ITEM, NEW REFERRAL.

WITH THAT, UH, THANK YOU DAVID.

UM, I DON'T THINK CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS HAS ANY OTHER ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

UM, I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY, UH, FOR THE NORTH BEACH MASTER PLAN, NO, EXCUSE ME, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE NORTH BEACH, NORTH BEACH MASTER PLAN.

AND WE ARE, THAT'S THE NEXT ITEM WE WERE GOING TO CALL BECAUSE IT DOES TIE IN WELL.

ITEM NUMBER

[4. DISCUSS THE STATUS OF THE NORTH BEACH MASTER PLAN.]

MR. CHAIR, ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS DISCUSS THE STATUS OF THE NORTH BEACH PASTOR PLAN.

COMMISSIONER BOND, THIS IS YOUR ITEM.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO PRESENT IT.

MY LEGS, MY LEGS .

LET ME JUST ALLOW COMMISSIONER, BUT TO PRESENT HER ITEM.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

UM, SO THE MASTER PLAN WAS A HUGE SUCCESS IN TERMS OF ITS CREATION, IN TERMS OF ITS COMMUNITY BUY-IN AND THE VISION THAT CAME OUT FROM IT.

UH, IT THEN SEEMED TO BE KIND OF CHERRY PICKED BY PRIOR, UM, POLICY DECISIONS.

AND SINCE THEN NOBODY'S REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT.

SO I TASKED HEATHER WITH, UM, OR WE ALL TASKED HEATHER WITH PUTTING TOGETHER, UM, UH, A SPREADSHEET, UH, TO IDENTIFY WHAT HAD BEEN, UH, HIGHLIGHTED AS, AS THINGS WE WANTED TO DO, WHERE WE WERE ON THEM, IF THOSE WERE NO LONGER, UM, RELEVANT, IF THEY'D BECOME OBSOLETE, AND TO REALLY KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND SO I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE DOING.

AN UPDATE ON THAT.

AND, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE SPREADSHEET IN SOME DETAIL, UM, IT IS A VERY USEFUL DOCUMENT AND, UM, IT IS A LIVING, BREATHING DOCUMENT AS WE EVOLVE AS A, AS A COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE INCREDIBLY USEFUL.

SO THANK YOU FOR CREATING IT.

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HEATHER SHAW, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FOR DOING A GREAT TEE UP OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

IT IS DEFINITELY A FLUID DOCUMENT.

IT STARTED WITH PLAN NOBI AND THEN IT TURNED INTO THE MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR, UH, NORTH BEACH.

AND THAT WAS ALL DONE BEFORE WE ACTUALLY CREATED THE NORTH BEACH CRA, WHICH IS NOW MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PLAN, NOBI HAD 27 PROJECTS INITIALLY IN 2018.

UM, WE ARE NOW STILL TRACKING 23 PROJECTS OF WHICH EIGHT ARE, HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, 14 ARE IN PROGRESS, AND FIVE HAVE BEEN DEEMED, UH, DEFERRED OR NOT VIABLE.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS DEFINITELY A CITYWIDE, UM, DEPARTMENT EFFORT.

I AM JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUE DAVID GOMEZ FROM CIP AND DEFINITELY TRANSPORTATION AND, UM, UH, PARKS AND A NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING ON THIS.

AND WE WORK DILIGENTLY TO UPDATE ALL THE PROJECTS.

UM, YOU WILL SEE I, IN THE MEMO, THERE'S A CHART THAT TALKS ABOUT, UM, THE VALUE OF ALL OF THESE PROJECTS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON IS TO MAKE SURE, AS YOU MENTIONED, COMMISSIONER, THAT THEY KEEP THE ENERGY AND THAT THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD.

AND PART OF WHAT WE'RE ALSO DOING WITH THE NORTH BEACH CRA IS WE'RE GOING TO DO A FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN.

SO THESE PROJECTS GET PRIORITIZED AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY DELIVERING ON THE ELEMENTS OF THE NORTH BEACH CRA TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE DELIVERED IN TIME AND THAT THE MONEY, OR THAT IS GENERATED FROM THE CRA MAKES WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS SUPPORTING THESE PROJECTS BEING COMPLETED.

AND WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO, UM, UPDATE THIS WITH YOU REGULARLY AND, AND COME BACK AT ANOTHER TIME AS EACH PROJECT PROGRESSES.

I, I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE UPDATES.

IS THERE ANYTHING YOU NEED FROM US? ARE THERE ANY ROADBLOCKS, ANY IMPEDIMENTS THAT ARE, THAT HAVE SPRUNG UP THAT YOU NEED SOME ASSISTANCE WITH? WELL, AS YOU WILL SEE IN, IN THE CHART, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE TO BE FUNDED.

UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, AGAIN, WITH THE NORTH BEACH CRA WILL HOPEFULLY, UM, FLUSH OUT SO WE CAN PRIORITIZE THEM ON THE FUNDING.

I KIND OF TURNED TO MY COLLEAGUE DAVID, HE HAS THE LION'S SHARE OF, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND THE FUNDING FOR THOSE.

I'M ACTUALLY HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THE PROJECTS UNDER C'S PORTFOLIO ARE, ARE FUNDED, SO WE ARE MOVING AHEAD WITH THOSE AND WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THOSE.

UM, YOU WILL NOTE IN THE CHART THAT A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THAT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL FUNDING ARE, ARE TRANSPORTATION OR OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE PROJECTS LISTED.

HOW MANY OF THE PROJECTS ARE CIP PROJECTS? CIP HAS THE HIGHEST NUMBER THEN TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY.

AND THEN, UM, THEN THE DISPARATE DEPARTMENTS, 11 PROJECTS OR CIP.

COULD WE GET A SIMPLE BREAKDOWN OF THE COMPLETE OF PROJECTS? I'M SORRY? OF THE COMPLETED PROJECTS? YEAH, I KNOW WE HAVE EIGHT COMPLETED PROJECTS MM-HMM .

AND 14 THAT ARE IN PROGRESS AND FIVE THAT ARE DEFERRED OR NOT FEASIBLE.

UM, COULD WE JUST GET A LIST OF THOSE? YES, THANK YOU.

DEFINITELY DO THAT.

YOU KNOW, IT JUST, UM, TO MAKE IT SIMPLE ALSO, AS WE KEEP REFERRING BACK TO THE CHART, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO COLOR CODE, UH, YOU KNOW, CHOOSE YOUR COLORS, BUT THESE HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, THESE ARE WORK IN PROGRESS.

THESE ARE KIND OF NEXT UP IN THE QUEUE AND THESE ARE ORPHANS OR YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU WANNA IDENTIFY.

BUT I THINK THAT WAY WE CAN TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT WHAT'S BEEN DONE WITH WHAT'S WORK IN PROGRESS.

AND DID YOUR CHART NOT COME UP COLOR CODED? I'M, I'M GETTING THE FEELING THAT YOUR CHART DIDN'T PRINT CORRECTLY.

ORANGES, YEAH.

OURS ARE COLOR CODED.

I WILL, I WILL EMAIL THAT TO YOU SO YOU HAVE THEM COLOR CODED.

MM-HMM .

PALM TREES, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S GONNA JUST MAKE IT HARDER TO ACCOMPLISH THE BROADER, BIGGER VISION OF THE MASTER PLAN COMMISSIONER.

AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THIS MASTER PLAN IS SUCH A GREAT TOOL, COMMISSIONER BOND, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT, UH, TO, TO, TO THE COMMITTEE.

I THINK AS WE LOOK AT NORTH BEACH AS WE LIVE AT OUR INVESTMENTS IN NORTH BEACH, UM, HOW DO WE STICK TO THE MASTER PLAN? HOW DO WE DISCIPLINE OURSELVES SO THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INVESTMENTS OF THE TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS IN NORTH BEACH, WE LOOK, WE GO BACK AND BEFORE WE APPROVE THEM, WE DETERMINE IS IT ALIGNED WITH WHAT IS IN THE MASTER PLAN IS O OTHER, OTHERWISE, IF WE KEEP ON DOING SHORT WINS, QUICK WINS THAT REQUIRE MONEY, BUT ARE NOT IN THE MASTER PLAN, THEN WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, UH, THIS, THIS, THIS GREAT VISION THAT'S, THAT'S HERE.

AND SO, AND SO WE JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED THE ADMINISTRATION TO KIND OF DISCIPLINE THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, RAISE THE FLAG, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO

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BAD.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT.

YEAH, NO, I AGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A BALANCE OF WHAT WE CAN SEE AND TOUCH AND FEEL NOW BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE TO KNOW THAT THERE'S PROGRESS, BUT ALSO MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT, UM, DOING END RUNS AROUND THE STUFF THAT, THAT IS GONNA BE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND HARDER TO DO, BUT, BUT STILL NEEDS TO GET DONE.

OUR CITY MANAGER SAYS GOING FOR THE BIG ROCKS, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE BIG ROCKS, BUT WE'RE ALSO, AS YOU SAID, COMMISSIONER, GETTING SOME OF THE LOW HANGING FRUITS.

AND THE LOW, LOW HANGING FRUIT IS GREAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I CAME UP TODAY ON A, ON ANOTHER CONVERSATION, UM, HAVING TO DO, I WAS GETTING AN UPDATE ON MIAMI BEACH DRIVE, UH, SHORT-TERM IMPROVEMENTS VERSUS LONG-TERM IMPROVEMENTS.

AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THE DESIRE MIGHT BE THERE TO DO THE SHORT-TERM IMPROVEMENTS, BUT IF WE FOCUS SO MUCH ON THE SHORT TERM IMPROVEMENTS, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE MONEY TO PUT A PROJECT INTO THE CAPITAL PLAN, HAVE IT GO THROUGH THE FIVE YEAR PLAN TO GET FUNDED BECAUSE WE JUST SPENT AND SPENT THE WHEELS ON THE SHORT TERM.

SO, UM, WITH THAT, IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE IN PERSON AND NON IN ZOOM.

COMMISSIONER BOB, UH, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO WITH THIS ITEM? DO YOU WANNA COME BACK IN SIX MONTHS? THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMERS.

AND REMEMBER, PLEASE KEEP US DISCIPLINED AS IT RELATES TO, TO, TO THIS CENSUS CENTER US BACK AROUND THIS VISION OF THE MASTER PLAN.

WILL DO.

SO WE'LL SHOW THIS AS CONTINUED TO THE JANUARY 20, 26 MEETING FOR FURTHER UPDATES.

THANK YOU, MR. DIRECTOR, LET'S CALL

[5. MONTHLY UPDATES ON HISTORIC HOTEL REDEVELOPMENT ON COLLINS AVENUE BETWEEN 14TH AND 20TH STREETS, INCLUDING AN OVERVIEW OF PENDING PERMITS AND PROGRESS UPDATES FROM DEVELOPMENT TEAMS.]

ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

MR. CHAIR, ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS MONTHLY UPDATES ON HISTORIC HOTEL DEVELOPMENT ON COLLINS AVENUE BETWEEN 14TH AND 20TH STREET, INCLUDING AN OVERVIEW OF PENDING PERMITS AND PROGRESS UPDATES FROM DEVELOPMENT TEAMS. YEAH.

MR. DIRECTOR, UH, WHAT, WHY DON'T YOU PROVIDE US WITH AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE AT, UH, WITH THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED? ANY FEEDBACK FROM ANY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS? SURE.

UM, THE SPREADSHEET'S BEEN UPDATED TO, UM, CREATE DIFFERENT COLUMNS FOR COMPLETED PROJECTS, WHICH INCLUDE THE NAAU AND THE SHELBURN.

UM, OPEN AND OPERATIONAL HOTELS WHICH HAVE APPROVALS FOR RENOVATIONS AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THOSE THAT ARE CLOSED AND, AND CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

AS FAR AS THE, UM, PROJECTS THAT ARE OPEN, THE OSA AND THE AQUA, UM, THE, THE WORK IS FAIRLY LIMITED.

UM, THE RITZ PO, THE RITZ SAGAMORE, UM, THEY DO HAVE A PERMIT APPLIED FOR, WE'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY WHEN THEY WILL BE COMING IN, UM, TO COMPLETE THAT.

BUT THEY ARE OPEN AND OPERATIONAL.

THE NATIONAL IS ALSO GOING THROUGH MORE MODEST TYPES OF, OF RENOVATIONS.

UM, AND THE NAUTILUS HOTEL IS CURRENTLY OPEN AS, AS IT'S ONLY A LIMITED SCOPE OF WORK.

REGARDING, UM, THE PROJECTS THAT ARE CLOSED AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UH, THE ROYAL PALM HOTEL RECENTLY CLOSED AND THEY'RE UNDERGOING A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT RENOVATION.

THEY DID RECEIVE HPB APPROVAL, THE DELLEN HALL.

HOW LONG DO WE ANTICIPATE FOR THE ROYAL PUMP TO BE CLOSED FOR? PROBABLY, I WOULD SAY, BASED UPON THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING BETWEEN NINE AND 12 MONTHS.

AND, AND ARE, IS THIS LIKE A REMODELING OR IS THIS PHYSICAL ALTERATIONS TO THE BUILDING? BOTH.

THERE'S, UH, THERE'S, UH, MOSTLY REMODELING, BUT THEY'RE NOT LIKE MAKING ANY PHYSICAL ALTERATIONS TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES.

IT'S MOSTLY A LOT OF, I'D SAY PROBABLY 90% REMODELING.

THEY ARE MAKING SOME PHYSICAL CHANGES TO THE POOL DECK, BUT THIS IS, UM, PROBABLY MORE OF AN EXTREME MAKEOVER ON THE INTERIOR.

HOW MANY ROOMS DO WE BELIEVE ARE THE ROYAL PALM? I THINK THEY'RE CLOSE TO 300 ROWS BETWEEN THREE ROOMS, 300 ROOMS. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S AN IMPACT.

AND THEY CLOSED TO ONE, THEY CLOSED RECENTLY, PROBABLY WITHIN THE LAST 30 DAYS.

THE RALLY, WELL, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE RALLY? THEY, THE SITE HAS A CONSTRUCTION FENCE.

UM, THE DELANO, WE BELIEVE IS NEARING COMPLETION.

THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT, UM, THEY EXPECT TO BE OPEN SOMETIME IN LATE 2025, BUT, UH, ACCORDING TO MY STAFF, THEY'RE REALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH THEIR CONSTRUCTION AND WE WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THEY OPEN EARLIER THAN THAT.

AND HOW MANY ROOMS IS THE DELANO? I THINK THE DELANO'S AROUND A HUNDRED ROOMS. A HUNDRED ROOMS. OKAY.

AND THEN

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THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION MM-HMM .

UM, THEY HAVE AN ACTIVE BUILDING PERMIT, UM, AND THERE HAS BEEN WORK DONE ON THE SITE.

AND THE SHORE CLUB, UM, THEIR PERMIT IS AN APPLICATION STATUS.

UM, THEY ESTIMATE THEIR REOPENING WILL BE SOMETIME IN 2027.

UM, BUT THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD AND, AND THEY'RE CLOSE TO GETTING THEIR PERMIT APPROVED.

UM, 1500 COLLINS, THAT'S THE HADDEN HALL.

UM, THEY HAVE GOTTEN THEIR HPV APPROVALS, UM, WHICH IS ELIGIBLE FOR AN EXTENSION OF TIME, BUT THEY HAVE NOT YET APPLIED FOR A PERMIT FOR, UM, THEIR PROPOSED, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING BOTH AN EXPANSION AND A RENOVATION.

THIS PROJECT IS, IS COMBINED WITH THE OTHER PORTION OF THE PROJECT ON WASHINGTON AVENUE.

IS THERE ANYTHING OF CONCERN THAT YOU THINK NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION? NO.

AND THEN THE LAST WOULD BE THE BULGARY.

THEY RECENTLY WENT TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, UM, UH, TO RECEIVE APPROVAL FOR, UH, ADDITIONAL MODIFICATIONS TO THEIR SCOPE OF WORK.

UM, AND, AND THIS WAS ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.

UM, AND ALL INDICATIONS ARE THAT THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE THE PERMIT HAS BEEN ISSUED AND THEY EXPECT TO COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION IN 2027.

WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE BANCROFT? UH, THE BANCROFT IS CLOSED.

THEY STILL HAVE, UH, THEIR PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL AND HPB APPROVAL FOR A CONVERSION TO OFFICE.

THEY MAINTAINED THAT, BUT THEY HAVE ALSO REPRESENTED TO US THAT THEY ARE EXPLORING A LIVE LOCAL PROJECT AT THAT SITE, BUT THEY HAVE NOT YET SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION.

AND, UM, THE BANK, SO AT THAT LOCATION, UM, IN WHAT WAYS THE BANCROFT CAN'T BE DEMOLISHED.

THE BANCROFT UNDER LIVE LOCAL, IF THE NEW LIVE LOCAL IS SIGNED INTO LAW, COULD POTENTIALLY BE DEMOLISHED, BUT THERE WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR REPLACING THE FACADE.

HOWEVER, THEY WOULD LOSE NON-CONFORMING SETBACKS IF THEY WERE TO DEMOLISH IT.

SO OUR STANDING, SO IN ESSENCE, BECAUSE OF OUR SETBACKS, THEY WOULDN'T, THEY DEMOLISH, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM THE SAME SETBACK.

SO IT'S IN THEIR INTEREST TO KEEP THE CURRENT BUILDING BECAUSE THAT'S CORRECT.

GOT IT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE DA? NO.

QUESTIONS FOR, UH, ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I THINK WE CAN, UH, WE CAN COMPLETE THIS ITEM FOR THIS MEETING.

UH, LET'S SEE.

LET'S CALL ITEM

[15. DISCUSS POSSIBLE LEGISLATION REGULATING TEMPORARY AND/OR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING]

NUMBER 15.

ITEM NUMBER 15 IS DISCUSSED POSSIBLE LEGISLATION REGULATING TEMPORARY AND OR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.

AS, AS A SHELTER? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY STATE LAW THAT WOULD OPERATE IN THAT MANNER.

SO THIS ITEM WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA, GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE ALL EXPERIENCED, THE INHUMANE PLACEMENT OF HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS AT A FACILITY THAT DOESN'T OFFER THE PROPER SERVICES TO HOMELESS IN INDIVIDUALS.

UH, A HOSTILE WITH A BAR AND A BEER OR GARDEN, UH, THAT DOESN'T OFFER THE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES, UH, THAT HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS DESERVE.

AND SO, UM, WE, THIS ITEM WAS, UH, WAS PLACED ON THE, ON THE AGENDA, UH, TO DISCUSS POSSIBLE LEGISLATION TO REGULATE TEMPORARY AND TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IN OUR CITY TO AVOID THIS TYPE OF SITUATION HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE.

NOW, MORE SPECIFICALLY, I JUST, YOU KNOW, AS IT RELATES TO THIS ISSUE, IT'S BEEN SAID THAT THERE'S A STATE LAW THAT PROHIBITS UNREGULATED SHELTERS LIKE THE ONE AT THE BIKINI HOSTEL.

AND THAT IF THAT LAW HAD BEEN ENFORCED YEARS AGO, WE WOULDN'T BE FACING THE SITUATION WE'RE FACING AT THE BIKINI HOSTEL.

I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY SUCH LAW, BUT NICK, UH, IS YOU ARE OUR, OUR CITY ATTORNEY.

ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY STATE LAW THAT PROHIBITS THE USE OF THE BIKINI HOUSEHOLD

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UM, I THINK THAT IF THE, IF, IF YOU OR THE COMMITTEE IS INCLINED TO LOOK AT OUR REGULATIONS, UM, ON HOSTELS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE CAN WORK WITH YOU ON.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DIFFICULTY WITH THE BIKINI HOSTILES SITUATION IS THAT, UH, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BIKINI HOSPITAL IS LICENSED AS A HOS AS A, AS A HOTEL, WHICH IS A, WAS A, WHICH IS A TRANSIENT LODGING ESTABLISHMENT.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE COUNTY HOMELESS TRUST HOTEL AND MOTEL PROGRAM DOES PROVIDE FOR TEMPORARY HOUSING IN HOTELS AND MOTELS.

BUT WE COULD LOOK AT OUR REGULATIONS TO SEE, UH, WHERE, WHERE IN THE CITY HOSTELS SHOULD BE PERMITTED.

SO THAT WOULD BE, SO IN OTHER WORDS, HOSTELS CAN BE USED, CAN BE RENTED OUT.

NOTHING, NOTHING CAN BE DONE TO PROHIBIT HOSTELS FROM RENTING A ROOM TO BE USED BY AN INDIVIDUAL THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PERMANENT HOME.

AND SO, AND SO, IF WE DO NOT WANT TO FIND OURSELVES IN THIS SITUATION, AGAIN IN THE CITY, THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN FIND OURSELVES AWAY FROM THE SITUATION IS IN ESSENCE BY PROHIBITING HOSTILE USES IN THE CITY AND FACING OUT EXISTING HOSTELS.

THE, THE, I WOULD RECOMMEND, AND WE CAN WORK WITH YOU ON THIS, ON THE, UM, ON LOOKING AT OUR HOSTILE REGULATIONS AND IDENTIFYING WHERE, IF AT ALL, THEY SHOULD BE PERMITTED AS A ZONING MATTER.

YOU SEE, THE THING IS, HUSTLES HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE FABRIC OF OUR CITY.

I AND I, I HATE TO, YOU KNOW, DO AWAY WITH SOMETHING THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DO WANT TO COME TO MIAMI BEACH.

THERE ARE KIDS THAT COME HERE ON VACATION THAT THE ONLY PLACE THAT THEY CAN AFFORD TO STAY AT IS IN A HOSTEL.

AND I DON'T KNOW, LIKE, DO WE WANT TO CLOSE THE DOOR ON THAT? IS THERE A WAY WHERE, WHERE WE CAN REQUIRE, IF LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, YOU GO TO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, YOU GO TO A HOTEL, THE HOTEL REQUIRES YOU TO SHOW YOUR PASSPORT.

CAN YOU, CAN WE REQUIRE FOUR HOSTELS, UM, TO REQUIRE SOMEONE TO HAVE A PERMANENT ADDRESS IN ORDER TO STAY THERE? NO.

UM, WE ARE BROADLY PREEMPTED FROM REGULATING THE BUSINESS OPERATIONS OF PUBLIC LODGING ESTABLISHMENTS, WHICH INCLUDES HOTELS, MOTELS, AND HOSTELS.

SO WE, WE COULDN'T IMPOSE A REQUIREMENT LIKE THAT ON SOMEBODY STAYING IN, IN A, IN A HOTEL OR HOSTEL ON THAT, YES.

COMMISSIONER.

UM, IS THERE A WAY IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO, OR WE CHOOSE NOT TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT HOSTELS? UM, I, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LIVED IN EUROPE, I STAYED IN HOSTELS WHEN I WENT ON BIKE TRIPS.

THEY'RE AWESOME.

GOOD ONES ARE WELL RUN AND CLEAN AND HOSPITABLE.

THEY'RE FABULOUS.

UM, SOME ARE NOT.

AND I WOULD TELL YOU THAT AS A 16-YEAR-OLD ON A BIKE TRIP, IF I WERE CHECKING INTO A HOSTEL THAT HAD AT LEAST AS MANY, UM, HOMELESS FOLKS STAYING THERE AS PEOPLE ON BIKE TRIPS, I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SUPER PSYCHED.

NOR WOULD MY PARENTS.

AND IS THERE A WAY TO REQUIRE THAT IF HOSTELS ARE PARTICIPATING IN THIS LODGING PROGRAM, THE HOTEL MOTEL PROGRAM, THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO LET REGISTERING GUESTS KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A MIX OF, UM, UH, FOLKS WHO ARE STAYING THERE AS PART OF THE HOMELESS TRUST PROGRAM, AS WELL AS REGULAR, UH, VISITORS FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE? I WOULD SUSPECT THAT THAT WOULD BE ENCOMPASSED BY THE SAME STATE PREEMPTION.

WE CAN LOOK AT THAT ISSUE, BUT I, I THINK BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY A REGULATION ON THE BUSINESS OPERATIONS OF THE HOSTEL, BUT IT'S, IT'S COMING FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, ANGLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT TELLING THEM THEY CAN'T BOOK EITHER TYPE OF GUEST, AND WE'RE NOT TELLING GUESTS THAT THEY CAN'T STAY THERE OR SHOULDN'T STAY THERE.

IT'S JUST GIVING PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE SENDING YOUR KID HERE FOR SPRING BREAK AS A SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL, YOU MIGHT CHOOSE TO MAKE A DIFFERENT CHOICE IF YOU HAD THAT INFORMATION.

MM-HMM .

TO ME, THAT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.

WE, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.

AGAIN, THE PREEMPTION IS VERY

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BROAD.

UM, SO YOUR, YOUR SUGGESTION IS JUST MORE BROADLY TO LOOK AT THE AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE WE WANT TO ALLOW HOSTS AND WHERE WE DO NOT WANT TO ALLOW HOSTELS.

HOW MANY HOSTS DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE CITY? I THINK WE'VE GOT PROBABLY THREE TO FOUR THAT ACTUALLY OPERATE AND ARE LICENSED AS HOSTELS.

NOW, I'M SURE THERE'S A FEW MORE THAT ARE LICENSED AS, AS HOTELS BECAUSE THEY WERE LICENSED BEFORE WE CREATED A DEFINITION FOR HOSTILE, EVEN THOUGH OPERATIONALLY THEY PROBABLY ACT AS A HOSTILE.

WOULD STAFF COME BACK NEXT MONTH WITH RECOMMENDATIONS OF LIMITATIONS OF, OF HOW WE CAN LIMIT THESE, UH, AND WHETHER, WHETHER WE WANT TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF THE EXISTING HOSTEL SETTING, UH, IN AMORTIZATION PERIOD TO PHASE OUT THE EXISTING HOSTELS, UH, IN OUR CITY? UM, SEPTEMBER MIGHT BE BETTER, NICK, UNLESS YOU THINK YOU CAN PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER PRETTY QUICKLY WITH, WELL, THERE'S TWO PART, TWO PARTS TO IT.

ONE IS, IS WHERE AS A ZONING MATTER, HOSTELS SHOULD BE AN ALLOWABLE USE.

MM-HMM .

UM, THE OTHER PART, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH YOU ON, BUT, UH, WE SHOULD SET THIS FOR A FEW MONTHS SO THAT WE HAVE TIME TO, UH, TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT.

SURE.

SO WE'LL SAY BY ACCLAMATION, CONTINUE THIS TO SEPTEMBER 11TH WITH DIRECTION TO WORK ON LEGISLATION REGARDING THE FURTHER REGULATION OF HOSTELS.

AND BEFORE WE DO THAT, AND I WANNA OPEN THE FLOOR TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK.

IF THERE'S ANYONE IN PERSON WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

UH, ELIZABETH LATON, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND RAISED ON ZOOM.

WELCOME.

SENSITIVE TOWARDS THE HOMELESS WHO ARE MORE EMPATHETIC.

HI, GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN.

UM, I'VE LONG BEEN CONFUSED ABOUT THIS WHOLE HOSTILE SITUATION.

I THOUGHT AT ONE POINT, AND I KNOW IN NEW YORK AND OTHER STATES, AND EVEN IN OTHER COUNTRIES, THERE'S AN H CAP.

UM, AND I WONDERED IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT MIAMI-DADE COUNTY HAS THE ABILITY TO DO.

UM, AND ALSO TO COMMISSIONER BOT'S SUGGESTION THAT SOME SORT OF PUBLIC NOTICE BE GIVEN.

I THINK THAT IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, UM, SAFETY ISSUE FOR UNSUSPECTING PEOPLE.

UM, I THINK THAT IF THERE'S A WAY TO ELIMINATE, UM, THESE, I GUESS APARTMENT HOTELS OR HOSTELS, ALL OF THAT KIND OF THING, I THINK THAT IT'S, IT WOULD JUST DO OUR CITY A WORLD OF GOOD.

I KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW, THAT NEXT DOOR I'M LOOKING AT, WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE IS, IS, UM, AT THE MONTE CARLO, SOMEBODY HAS, HAS COME IN AND SUBLET ABOUT 30 APARTMENTS.

THERE IS NO OVERSIGHT AT ALL.

THEY JUST, UH, HAVE A ELECTRONIC KEY AND WALK IN.

SO THERE'S ONLY SOMEBODY THAT MONITORS THE PUBLIC COMMON AREAS.

AND THAT'S NOT SAFE EITHER.

UM, BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW.

YOU JUST, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

AND THIS WHOLE THING, I'VE GONE ON THE, THE HOTEL MOTEL PROGRAM ON THE MIAMI-DADE HOMELESS TRUST SITE, AND THERE'S NOTHING LISTED FOR THE BIKINI HOSTEL.

AND IF THERE ARE OVERSIGHT, IF THERE IS A LAW, IF THERE ARE OVERSIGHT MEASURES THAT ARE IN PLACE THAT PREVENT, UM, PEOPLE BEING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A CONTINUUM OF CARE.

AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW PLACING THEM IN A BEER GARDEN, HOSTILE BAR, UM, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FITS THAT CRITERIA.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE PO EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN DO THAT IT'S COMPLETELY FRUSTRATING.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S DANGEROUS TO THEM.

IT'S DANGEROUS TO US.

AND I'M JUST, ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN DO, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL LOOKING INTO IT.

THANK YOU, ELIZABETH.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK THE POINT RAISED BY COMMISSIONER BOND IS A VERY GOOD POINT.

I THINK IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE RENTING AT A FACILITY AND THAT FACILITY IS UNDER CONTRACT WITH ANYONE IN THE CONTINUUM OF CARE, THEN IT SHOULD BE NOTICED.

IT SHOULD BE NOTICED TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE LOOKING TO STAY THERE FOR A NIGHT OR TWO OR A MONTH.

HEY, LISTEN, YOU KNOW, THERE SHOULD BE A NOTICE ON THE BOOKING PAGE.

THERE SHOULD BE A NOTICE.

AND WHEN YOU GET THERE, THERE, THERE, THERE, THERE SHOULD BE A NOTICE.

PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE TO WRITE.

NOT EVERYONE MIGHT WANT TO.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE

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AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO, EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT BE EMPATHETIC AND CARING, JUST CHOOSE AS PART OF THEIR VACATION NOT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.

AND WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE SOCIAL AILMENTS ARE, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I WANT TO HAVE TO SHARE A ROOM WITH SOMEONE THAT IS SUFFERING WITH THESE SOCIAL AILMENTS.

NO MATTER THE AMOUNT OF EMPATHY, NO MATTER THE AMOUNT OF CARE, NO, NO.

NO MATTER HOW GOOD HEARTED SOMEONE MAY BE, THEY JUST MAY NOT WANT TO SHARE A ROOM, A COMMON FACILITY, A BATHROOM, UH, WITH, UH, SOMEONE THAT IS IN THIS, UH, SITUATION.

SO MR. RETURNING, AS WE PREPARE FOR THIS ITEM TO COME BACK, I THINK AT THE VERY MINIMUM, I THINK THE SIGNAGE NOTICE DISCLOSURE, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS SO REASONABLE.

UM, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHY, WHY WE, WHY WE WOULDN'T.

AND, AND ALL I'M SAYING IS WE WOULD JUST WANNA LOOK AT IT IN LIGHT OF THE STATE PREEMPTION.

OF COURSE.

IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

LET'S SAY THE STATE DOES PREEMPT US.

NO, BUT LET'S SAY NO, NO, NO, NO.

NOT, NO.

OKAY? WE CAN'T REQUIRE THE ENTITY FROM DISCLOSING IT, BUT WE CAN'T PUT A SIGN ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY SAYING THIS FACILITY HOUSES, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUALS IN THE CONTINUUM OF CARE.

'CAUSE IT'S ONLY FAIR IF I'M GONNA BE STAYING IN A PLACE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOMEONE, I, I, I FEEL THE, WE HAVE HAD RESIDENTS WHO, NOT RESIDENTS, WE HAVE HAD VISITORS WHO HAVE BEEN TRAPPED, WHOSE VACATIONS HAVE BEEN RUINED, WHOSE MONEY HAS BEEN STOLEN AND AWAY BECAUSE THEY WENT SOMEWHERE.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY PAID FOR SOMETHING AND NOW THEY WERE LEFT WITH NOWHERE TO GO.

SO LET'S THINK ABOUT THAT.

ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? NO.

WITH THAT, IT'S SIX O'CLOCK AND WE HAVE, UH, EXHAUSTED OUR TIME.

BUT COMMISSIONER BOND, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION TO OUR STAFF, UH, TO DAVID MARTINEZ, TOM MOONEY, TO UM, TO NICK ES, AND TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO, WHO PARTICIPATED.