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TO THE SPECIAL COMMISSION MEETING TODAY OF JUNE 9TH.PRETTY GOOD CROWD FOR, UH, A ONE TOPIC ISSUE TODAY.
UH, RALPH, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US SOME PERTINENT ANNOUNCEMENTS? GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.
DURING THIS HYBRID SPECIAL COMMISSION MEETING, THE CITY COMMISSION IS PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBER AT MIAMI BEACH CITY HALL, 1700 CONVENTION CENTER DRIVE THIRD FLOOR.
THE PUBLIC IS INVITED TO ATTEND A MEETING.
VIRTUALLY, HOWEVER, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO ATTEND A MEETING OR PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT IN PERSON MAY APPEAR AT THE COMMISSION CHAMBER TO PARTICIPATE OR PROVIDE COMMENTS VIRTUALLY DURING THE COMMISSION MEETING.
THE PUBLIC MAY JOIN THE MEETING BY VISITING THE ZOOM APP ON THEIR SMART DEVICE, OR ON THE WEB AT ZOOM US OR BY TELEPHONE AT (305) 224-1968.
THE TOLL FREE NUMBER IS 8 8 8 4 7 5 4 4 9 9.
THE WEBINAR ID IS 8 1 3 9 2 8 5 7 6.
AGAIN, WEBINAR ID 8 1 3 9 2 8 5 7 6 70.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WANTING TO SPEAK VIRTUALLY ON AN ITEM DURING THE MEETING MUST CLICK THE RAISE HAND ICON IF USING THE ZOOM APP, OR PRESS STAR NINE ON THE TELEPHONE TO RAISE THEIR HAND.
THE ZOOM LINK WEBINAR ID AND TELEPHONE NUMBERS PROVIDED FOR THIS COMMISSION MEETING ARE STATIC AND REMAIN UNCHANGED FROM MEETING TO MEETING.
AND SINCE TODAY, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THE ALTON, THE PROPOSED ALTON BEACH BAYFRONT OVERLAY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
TOM, OUR DIRECTOR OF LAND USE, WHY DON'T YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? PLEASURE, MR. MAYOR.
UH, PUT YOUR HAND OVER YOUR HEART AND FACE THE AMERICAN FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[R7 A ALTON BEACH BAYFRONT OVERLAY - DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTA RESOLUTION OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH, FLORIDA, APPROVING, FOLLOWING FIRST READING/PUBLIC HEARING, OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AS AUTHORIZED UNDER SECTION 2.11.1 OF THE MIAMI BEACH RESILIENCY CODE, AND SECTIONS 163.3220 – 163.3243, FLORIDA STATUTES, BETWEEN THE CITY AND WEST HOSPITALITY OWNER LLC AND 1250 WEST AVE OWNER LLC (COLLECTIVELY THE “DEVELOPER”), WHICH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DELINEATES THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1250 WEST AVENUE (THE “DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY”) AND 1247, 1255 WEST AVENUE AND 1234 13 STREET (THE “HOSTEL PROPERTY”) LOCATED IN MIAMI BEACH, FLORIDA CONSISTING OF (1) A MAXIMUM OF 125 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AT THE DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY, (2) GROUND FLOOR RETAIL/COMMERCIAL AT THE DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY, AND (3) ACCESSORY USES; AND (4) A PUBLIC PARK AT THE HOSTEL PROPERTY (THE “PROJECT”); AND MEMORIALIZES CERTAIN PUBLIC BENEFIT COMMITMENTS MADE BY THE DEVELOPER, INCLUDING ACQUISITION OF THE HOSTEL PROPERTY AND CONVEYANCE TO THE CITY, AMONG OTHER PUBLIC BENEFITS; AND FURTHER, SETTING THE DAY, TIME, AND PLACE FOR THE SECOND AND FINAL READING OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.]
ERIC, THE, UM, AS WE GET INTO THIS, DO YOU, ARE YOU PLANNING ON MAKING A PRESENTATION? DO YOU WANNA LEAD IT OFF? SO, WE ABSOLUTELY WOULD LIKE TO KICK OFF THE ITEM.I KNOW THAT, DAVID, SO I'M ACTUALLY JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS BEFORE YOU DO.
I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THE, UH, WHAT YOU, HOW YOU WANTED TO HANDLE IT.
OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S MULTIPLE COMPONENTS TODAY.
WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM IN AN ORDERLY FASHION.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF, UH, ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO, UH, COME TO A MEETING OF THE MINDS.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR, FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE BIKINI HOSTEL IS A PRIME ASPECT OF THIS AGREEMENT.
UM, AND WE NEED TO, THERE'S, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME IRONCLAD RESOLUTIONS IN THAT.
AND, AND AS WE ALL KNOW, THE BIKINI HOSTEL HAS BEEN A PROBLEM AND A ISSUE FOR OUR CITY WAY BEFORE ANY OF US WERE ELECTED, PROBABLY EVEN BEFORE MOST OF US EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT BECOMING ELECTED OFFICIALS.
IT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR YEARS.
I HAVE CHARTS OF THE POLICE REPORTS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR, UH, FOR MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS.
BUT OBVIOUSLY IN MORE RECENT VINTAGE, WE HAVE THE, UM, THE HOMELESS TRUST THAT HAS PLACED, UH, HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS, UM, THERE COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATELY.
UH, IT'S, ANYBODY WHO GOES BY THERE REALIZES THIS IS, IT'S NOT A HUMANE SITUATION FOR OUR HOMELESS POPULATION TO BE THERE.
AND DESPITE OUR EFFORTS AS THIS COMMISSION TO SUBSIDIZE THE COST AND PAY FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS TO BE A CAMILLUS HOUSE, WHICH IS IN, WHICH IS INAPPROPRIATE FACILITY THAT OFFERS A RANGE OF SERVICES, ALMOST, UM, UNFORTUNATELY THAT WAS, UH, REJECTED.
UM, BUT I, I, I, I, BUT I MENTIONED THAT RIGHT AT THE START BEFORE WE EVEN GET INTO ANY ISSUES, BECAUSE I'M GONNA HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS, AND I, AND I RELATING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN CLAD UNDERSTANDING AND AGREEMENT WITH THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE BIKINI HOSPITAL, WHICH IS THE MUSK KATS.
AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE COMFORT LEVEL, THAT THE HOMELESS TRUST IS NOT GONNA TURN AROUND AND DO THIS AT ANOTHER LOCATION, BECAUSE PART OF WHAT WE HEAR IS TO RESOLVE AN ISSUE.
AND IF WE JUST MOVE THE ISSUE SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEN, UM, THEN WE'RE NOT RESOLVING ANYTHING FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND ACTUALLY POTENTIALLY MAY, MAYBE EVEN MAKING IT WORSE.
SO I START OFF WITH THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT OVER, UM, THAT THAT IS, THAT IS A, UH, AN ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND AT ALL TIMES WHEN WE DISCUSS THIS, THIS AGREEMENT TODAY.
AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR, HONORABLE COMMISSIONERS.
ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR, HONORABLE COMMISSIONERS.
DAVID MARTINEZ, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
UM, DIVING RIGHT INTO IT, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU, THIS IS, UH, FIRST RATING OF, UH, THE DISCUSSION ON THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT, UH, RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT AT 1250 WEST AVENUE.
UH, THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT ESTABLISHES, UH, THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR
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THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY AT THE BIKINI HOSPITAL, AS WELL AS OTHER PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT ARE BEING PROFFERED BY THE DEVELOP THE DEVELOPER TEAM, UM, INCLUDING IF, UH, WE END UP WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TODAY TO MOVE TO A SECOND READING THAT CURRENTLY IS SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 25TH AT THIS, AT THIS TIME.THE JUMPING RIGHT INTO IT, I WANNA START OFF BY SAYING THAT THIS IS OBVIOUSLY ASSOCIATED TO LDR AMENDMENTS AND COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS, UH, THAT ARE NECESSARY TO CREATE THE OVERLAY IN QUESTION.
UH, THOSE AMENDMENTS, UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, INCLUDE INCREASING THE FLOOR AREA RATIO, FAR, UH, THROUGH BONUSES, AS WELL AS AN INCREASE IN HEIGHT, UM, TO 330 FEET FROM THE APPRO, FROM THE ESTABLISHED, ESTABLISHED 150 FEET FOR THAT, UM, FOR THAT ZONE ZONING DISTRICT.
FOR THE RECORD, ADMINISTRATION CONTINUES TO HAVE CONCERNS OVER THE REQUESTED HEIGHT AND FAR AS WELL AS THE REQUESTED SITE SETBACK REDUCTION ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH FOR THE RECORD.
AND, UH, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE CONCERNS.
UH, PUTTING THAT ASIDE, WE ARE NOW DOWN TO EVALUATING THE PUBLIC BENEFITS, WHICH PRINCIPALLY ARE COMPOSED OF WHAT HAPPENS AT THE HOSTILE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS THE BAY WALK, THE REMAINING BAY WALK THAT ARE MISSING, UH, ALONG THE BAY.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER NOW, UH, FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND WE'VE HAD VERY GOOD DISCUSSIONS.
I THINK WE'VE MADE SOME HEADWAY IN, IN A LOT OF TOPICS IN, IN A, IN A LOT OF THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS.
WE STILL HAVE SOME THINGS TO IRON OUT.
WE HAVE, UH, AS OF JUNE 5TH, WE HAVE RETURNED TO THE DEVELOPER OUR VERSION OF THE LATEST REVISED TERMS AND CONDITIONS ON THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE.
UM, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED SOMETHING, ANYTHING OFFICIAL IN WRITING YET, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS AS RECENTLY AS THIS AFTERNOON THAT, UH, APPEARED TO BE THAT WE'RE GOING IN A, IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH THIS.
AND HOPEFULLY WE RECEIVE A CLEANED UP VERSION THIS WEEK SO THAT WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO YOU IF FAVORABLE.
TODAY IN, UH, ON JUNE 25TH, IN, IN ESSENCE, WHAT IS BEING PROFFERED IS THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL PURCHASE THE BIKINI HOSTILE PROPERTIES.
THE, THE, THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT ESTABLISHES A TIMEFRAME OF WHEN THINGS HAPPEN, WHEN A CLOSING HAS TO OCCUR, WHEN AN APPLICATION FOR A DEMOLITION PERMIT OCCURS, AND WHEN DEMOLITION BEGINS, AND THEY RESTORE THE HOSTILE PROPERTY TO A CODE COMPLIANT CONDITION.
FOLLOWING THAT, THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT ESTABLISHES THAT THEY, AT THAT TIME, THEY WOULD ESTABLISH A SALES CENTER ON THE PROPERTY FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME DURING THE DURATION WHERE THEY'RE DEVELOPING THE 1250 WEST, UH, CONDOMINIUM.
AND AT THE END OF THAT PERIOD, THEY HAVE AN OPTION TO EITHER CONSTRUCT A PARK, UH, UP TO $2 MILLION IN VALUE, OR THIS, AS THE CITY HAS PLACED A, A CONDITION OR A TERM THAT BASICALLY ALLOWS US TWO YEARS OR 24 MONTHS FROM THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE AGREEMENT TO DECIDE IF WE NEED TO PARK THERE OR SOMETHING ELSE.
AND IF WE DECIDE WE DON'T WANNA PARK, THEN IN THEORY WE GET $2 MILLION IN GENERAL, GENERALLY, OR WE DO SOMETHING ELSE.
AND THAT WAY THE COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO DECIDE DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
WE CAN MAKE THE DECISION IMMEDIATELY, OR WE CAN MAKE IT UP TO 24 MONTHS INTO THE TERM.
AND THEN THE, THE DA ESTABLISHES THE REST OF THE CONDITION FOR THAT.
WITH RESPECT TO THE BAY WALKS, WE ALL KNOW THE THREE BAY WALKS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 1450 LINCOLN ROAD, THE TERMINUS OF LINCOLN ROAD ON THE BAY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 12 28 28 WEST AVENUE, WHICH IS THE BAYVIEW TERRACE CONDOMINIUM DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF 1250 WEST AVENUE.
AND THE LARGER ONE OF ALL IS 800 WEST AVENUE, WHICH IS THE SOUTH BAY CONDOMINIUMS. THE CITY IS REQUESTING THAT THE VALUE ATTRIBUTED TO THE, THE COMPLETION OF THOSE THREE P SEGMENTS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE PERMITTING, DESIGN, AND FULL CONSTRUCTION OF THE THREE SEGMENTS TO BE IN THE VALUE OF $25 MILLION.
THOSE ARE THE ESTIMATES THAT WE HAVE FROM OUR CONSULTANTS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE REQUESTED.
I THINK WE'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS.
I THINK YOU'LL HEAR, YOU'LL PROBABLY HEAR TODAY FROM THE DEVELOPER, THAT, THAT THE PLANS THAT THEY HAVE, WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET IN WRITING, WE HAVE DISCUSSED IT, BUT THEY CLAIM THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, UH, SOME TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT THEY FEEL MIGHT WORK FOR US, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE AS OF YET.
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DEVELOPER INITIALLY INTENDS ON SECURING THE EASEMENTS THAT ARE REMAINING NECESSARY TO CONSTRUCT THEM, COMPLETING THE FULL PERMITTING WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT REGULATORY AGENCIES, AS WELL AS CONTRACTING A A WITH A CONTRACTOR TO ACTUALLY COMPLETE THE CONSTRUCTION AND CONVEY 'EM TO THE CITY.I THINK WE CAN GET THERE, BUT I, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, A FORMAL WRITTEN RESPONSE BACK ON THOSE TYPE, THOSE PARTICULAR TERMS. UM, SO WHAT WE FEEL AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE FEEL THAT THIS PACKAGE COULD BE WORTH PROBABLY OVER $45 MILLION IN TERMS OF PUBLIC BENEFITS, INCLUDING THE PARK.
SO I THINK WE'RE IN THE RIGHT BALLPARK, POSSIBLY THAT WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
UH, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE TO SEE THE FINAL DOCUMENT.
WE THINK THAT IF WE RECEIVE SOMETHING RELATIVELY QUICKLY AS SOON AS EARLY THIS WEEK, WE CAN TURN IT AROUND HOPEFULLY IN TIME, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SECOND READING ON JUNE 25TH AND, AND HOPEFULLY BE DONE WITH THIS.
AND WITH THAT, UH, UNLESS CITY MANAGER YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT I MIGHT HAVE MISSED? UM, THAT'S IT IN GENERAL, NO, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUMMARY, DAVID.
UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WE HAVE MADE SOME POSITIVE MOVEMENT IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM FOR WORKING WITH US TO BRING SOME OF THESE THINGS TO CLOSURE.
UM, I THINK WE'VE MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS ON THE TIMELINE AND THE BAY WALKS AND THE, UM, THE, THE PUBLIC BENEFIT PACKAGE.
SO, UM, I AM ENCOURAGED, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'VE STILL GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO, AND THAT'S WHERE'RE HERE TO DO TODAY.
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION.
I WOULD ASK JUST AS I ASKED, UH, ERIC BEFORE, UH, DAVID STARTED.
AND THANK YOU, ERIC, FOR KEEPING IT BRIEF.
I THINK, I THINK BREVITY IS, IS GOOD, IS GOOD.
BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA OBVIOUSLY UP HERE ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND GO THROUGH.
SO I, I THINK THAT'LL BE, UH, USEFUL.
I'M MELISSA TAPPEN, UH, WITH OFFICES AT 200 SOUTH BISCAY BOULEVARD, MIAMI.
I'M JOINED BY MICHAEL STERN AND RAFA GLI, I PRINCIPAL OF JDS.
I'M ALSO JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUES, MICHAEL LARKIN, GRAHAM PENN, AND NICK RODRIGUEZ.
UH, WE'RE HERE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL AT FIRST READING OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
IT'S INTENDED TO CONSOLIDATE THE COMMENTS, UH, GOING THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH, UH, THE CITY ADMINISTRATION.
WE HAVE TURNED AROUND THREE DRAFTS, UM, OVER THE LAST, UH, SEVERAL WEEKS.
UM, AND THE GOAL HERE IS TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE INTEND TO RESUBMIT TO THE CITY ADMINISTRATION SO THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE ANY COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE.
SO WITH THAT, IF WE CAN GO TO THE PRESENTATION.
WE ALL KNOW, UH, THAT THE PROPERTY WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
UM, IS 1250 WEST FLAGLER, UH, JUST ACROSS WEST AVENUE FROM THE BIKINI HOSTEL.
SO, I THINK WHAT IS ON EVERYBODY'S MIND IS HOW QUICKLY, OH, IS THAT IT? THANK YOU.
UM, SO I THINK WHAT EVERYBODY HAS IN MIND TODAY IS EXACTLY HOW LONG, UH, WILL WE BE DEALING WITH THE BIKINI HOSTEL AT THIS SITE.
SO THE GOAL IS, UH, BY SEPTEMBER 15TH, THE HOSTEL WILL NO LONGER BE OPERATING, AND THE PERSONS RESIDING AT THE HOSTEL WOULD'VE BEEN HUMANELY RELOCATED TO A NEW FACILITY OUTSIDE OF MIAMI BEACH.
UM, WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS TO WEST AVENUE RESIDENTS, AND WE KNOW THAT THIS IS THE FASTEST POSSIBLE TIMELINE THAT WE HAVE NEGOTIATED, UH, WITH THE SELLER.
UM, SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS THE DEADLINE, UM, FOR CLOSING.
UM, IT PROVIDES FOR THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE CLOSING DATE OF SEPTEMBER 6TH TO 2025.
AND THE CLOSING DEADLINE, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS SEPTEMBER 15TH.
UM, WHAT WE THINK IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT IS THAT THERE IS A DEADLINE FOR RELOCATION OF THE TENANTS AND CLIENTS, UM, WHICH UNDER THE PSA, THE SELLER IS TO DELIVER A VACANT SITE AT CLOSING.
IF NOT, THE DEVELOPER WILL, UH, RETAIN $1 MILLION OF THE SELLER PROCEEDS FOR COMPASSIONATE RELOCATION PROGRAM, AGAIN, TO A FACILITY AUTHORIZED TO RECEIVE THE POPULATION UNDER APPLICABLE LAW.
UM, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DEADLINE FOR THE VACANT SITE IS SEPTEMBER 29TH, 2025.
UM, THEREAFTER, WE HAVE 30 DAYS, UH, OF CLOSING TO APPLY FOR A DEMOLITION PERMIT AND COMMENCING DEMOLITION WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE ISSUANCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF, UH, PERMIT.
UH, WE ALSO WILL COMPLY WITH ALL VACANT LIGHT LOT REQUIREMENTS, UM, AFTER THE DEMOLITION WITHIN, UH, 30 DAYS.
WE ALSO SPOKE, UM, ABOUT THE, UH, WHAT TO DO WITH THE BIKINI
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HOSTILE SITE.UH, WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION MENTIONS.
UH, THE FIRST OPTION IS WHAT WE HEARD FROM MANY WEST AVENUE RESIDENTS, WHICH WAS A PASSIVE PUBLIC PARK.
OPTION TWO IS, UM, OTHER PUBLIC USES.
UM, IF THE CITY DECLINES TO PROVIDE FOR A PARK AND TAKES POSSESSION OF VACANT LAND, UM, IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL $1.5 MILLION.
UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH ABOUT 2000001.5 MILLION, AND WE'RE WORKING OUT THOSE TERMS, AND THAT WILL BE PART OF THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DRAFT.
UH, THE TIMING IS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION, AS MENTIONED, HAS 24 MONTHS, UH, TO SOLICIT INPUT AND CONSIDER A POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE USE FOR THE HOSTILE SITE.
UH, WE'VE ALSO ASKED FOR A DECLARATION OF USE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR, UM, COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY IS IN FACT WHAT WILL TAKE PLACE AT THE SITE IN THE FUTURE.
ANOTHER ITEM IS THE TEMPORARY SALES CENTER.
WHILE THE FUTURE OF THE HOSTILE SITE IS BEING DETERMINED BY THE CITY DURING THESE, UH, 24 MONTH PROCESS, AND THE PROJECTS GO, UH, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PHASE, WE THINK THAT IT IT'S BENEFICIAL TO HAVE A ACTIVE SITE, UM, AT THE HOSTEL SITE, UM, WHICH WOULD BE WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING AS A TEMPORARY SALES CENTER.
UH, JDS HAS A TRACK RECORD OF PROVIDING VERY ATTRACTIVE, WELCOMING SALES CENTERS THAT WILL BRING SOME LIFE TO THE BIKINI HOSTEL SITE WHILE THESE APPROVALS AND PERMITS ARE UNDERWAY.
UM, SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT INCLUDE THE MERCEDES-BENZ PLACE SHOWROOM IN BRICKELL, AND THE MONAD TERRA SALES CENTER THAT PREVIOUSLY EXISTED NEXT DOOR, AS WELL AS THE DOLCE GAANA SITE, UH, GALLERY IN BRICKELL.
UH, THERE'S A BENEFIT TO HA TO THE CITY, UH, TO HAVE THESE IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO THE HOSTEL SITE, UH, DURING THIS TIME, INCLUDING LANDSCAPING, TEMPORARY STRUCTURES, PARKING SPACES.
AND THE GOAL WOULD TO BE WORK WITH THE CITY ON THIS MASTER PLANNING EXERCISE SO THAT THE INVESTMENT MADE INTO THE PROPERTY WILL CARRY ON FOR THE FUTURE USE OF THE SITE.
UH, WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED, OF COURSE, THE TRANSFER OF THE HOSTEL SITE TO THE CITY.
UM, THE, IT MUST BE CONVEYED TO THE CITY PRIOR TO TCO OR CEO FOR THE 1250 WEST AVENUE PROJECT.
UH, OPTION ONE IS TO CONVEY A PARK, AND OPTION TWO IS TO CONVEY VACANT SITE, UH, WHICH WOULD BE AFTER THE TEMPORARY SALES CENTER USE.
CONCLUDES ALSO VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR PUBLIC BENEFIT PACKAGE, UM, IS THE COMMITMENT, UH, TO COMPLETE THE BAY WALK.
UM, 800 WEST AVENUE, 1228 WEST AVENUE, AND 1450 LINCOLN ROAD.
UH, FOR THIS, WE HAVE THREE PLANS.
UM, PLAN A IS FOR THE DEVELOPER TO CONSTRUCT, AND THAT IS THE DEVELOPER WILL OBTAIN EASEMENTS, DESIGN THE BAY WALK CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S CONCEPTUAL PLANS, OBTAIN PERMITS, AND CONSTRUCT THE BAY WALK SEGMENTS, INCLUDING THE REPLACEMENT DOCKS.
UM, OPTION TWO, UH, THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE THAT THE DEVELOPER OBTAINS FULL BID CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS AND ASSIGNS THOSE CONTRACTS TO THE CITY WITH CASH PAYMENT FOR FULL VALUE OF THE CONTRACT, PLUS A 15% CONTINGENCY FEE.
AND PLAN C IS, UH, ALTERNATIVE OPTION TWO, WHICH IS THE CI THE DEVELOPER WILL PAY THE CITY'S ESTIMATED COST TO DEVELOP THE BAY WALK, AND THAT'S THE $25 MILLION FIGURE, UH, THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED.
OF COURSE, THE TIMING IS AS IMPORTANT AS EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE, UH, MILESTONES IN THIS AGREEMENT, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPER, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD IN GOOD FAITH.
UH, THE DEADLINE TO OBTAIN THE BAY WALK EASEMENTS FROM THE ADJACENT CONDOMINIUMS IS 12 MONTHS FROM THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UH, THE DEADLINE FOR THE BAY WALK PERMITS WOULD BE 30 MONTHS FROM THE EFFECTIVE DATE.
UM, WE'VE INCLUDED WITH, WITHIN THAT LANGUAGE, UH, THE POSSIBILITY FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO EXTEND BY SIX MONTHS IF APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED TO THE DEVELOPER OR SUBMITTED BY THE DEVELOPER ARE BEING DILIGENTLY PURSUED.
UM, THOSE PERMITS CAN TAKE A LOT OF TIME AND SOMETIMES THERE'S, UM, ISSUES THAT COME UP.
WE WANNA GIVE THAT ABILITY TO THE CITY MANAGER.
HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO YOU HAVE? UH, JUST ONE MORE MOMENT.
UH, THE DEADLINE FOR CONSTRUCTION 18 MONTHS FROM THE ISSUANCE OF PERMIT, UM, AGAIN, WE'VE INCLUDED THAT LANGUAGE, UH, FOR SIX MONTHS.
AND THE GOAL IS FOR THE BAY WALK TO BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO TCO OR CEO.
UH, WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT THE DEVELOPER IS VOLUNTARILY RELINQUISHING ANY RIGHT TO DO A LIVE LOCAL ACT PROJECT.
AND UPON ISSUANCE OF A TCO, THE DEVELOPER WILL RECORD A COVENANT RUNNING WITH THE LAND THAT PERMANENTLY ELIMINATES THAT ELIGIBILITY.
AND WITH THAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INDULGENCE.
WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
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THANK YOU.SO I'M JUST GONNA TEE UP A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS RELATING TO THE BIKINI HOSTEL.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE GUARANTEE THAT THIS AGREEMENT WILL INCLUDE THE PURCHASE OF THE BIKINI HOSTEL? THE AGREEMENT INCLUDES THE BIKINI HOSPITAL, 100%.
UH, WE SHARED, UH, THE AGREEMENT, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, THOSE MAJOR, UM, DEAL POINTS, UH, WITH THE CITY ADMINISTRATION.
THAT IS WHAT'S BEEN FOLLOWED IN THIS AGREEMENT.
DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THAT AGREEMENT? NO.
THERE'S A CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISION THAT WE HAVE HOR SHARED AND CAMERA WITH YOUR CITY ADMINISTRATION.
JUST THINK STRAIGHT OUT, UM, FOR ME AT LEAST, I WILL HEAR FROM MY COLLEAGUES.
I HEARD, I HEARD A MURMUR UP HERE, SO I THINK MAYBE SOMEBODY SHARES THAT WITH ME.
THE SECOND QUESTION IS, HOW DO, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THIS OWNER OF THE BIKINI HOSPITAL WON'T TURN AROUND AND JUST DO THIS NEXT DOOR OR SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY? THAT'S INCLUDED IN OUR AGREEMENT, UH, WHICH WE DON'T IN THE PER YES.
AND AGAIN, IT'S BEEN SHARED IN CAMERA.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONER.
UM, SO I'LL SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THE AGREEMENT.
UM, THE AGREEMENT'S BEEN SHARED, UH, WITH CITY STAFF AND ATTORNEYS IN CAMERA.
WE HAD DO HAVE A CONFIDENTIALITY JUST MAKE, SO FOR THE RESIDENTS OUT THERE, WHEN YOU SAY IN CAMERA, MEANING IT WAS SHOWN, IT WAS SHOWN
IT MEANS, IT MEANS WE'VE SEE, I I LOVE THE HUMILITY.
OH, I ACTUALLY WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT TOO, OBVIOUSLY.
BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IT WAS SHOWN TO THEM.
I THINK IT WAS SHOWN ON A ZOOM MEETING, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A COPY OF IT.
SO WE, SO THERE'S NO RECORD THAT WE HAVE OF THIS AGREEMENT.
WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK TO MAYBE COME UP WITH, UH, AN NDA THAT ALLOWS US TO SHARE IT.
WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE SELLER TO GET PERMISSION TO SHARE IT.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE, WHAT'S THE, I I, I'M, 'CAUSE WE'VE, I'VE DEALT WITH THE CITY MANAGER, ERIC, ON THIS.
I, WHAT, COULD YOU TELL US WHAT THE REASON THERE'D BE SUCH CON I MEAN, I THINK OUR RESIDENTS WOULD WANT TO SEE WHAT IT SAYS.
YEAH, SO THOSE, THE, THERE IS A STANDARD CONFIDENTIALITY CLAUSE IN EVERY PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT, UH, THAT TYPICALLY THE TERMS ARE CONFIDENTIAL UNTIL THE PROPERTY CLOSES, AND THEN IT RECORDS IN THE CITY RECORDS, AND THEN IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD WHEN IT RECORDS.
UM, IT'S A PRETTY STANDARD CLAUSE IN EVERY PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT I'VE DONE IN 20 PLUS YEARS IN REAL ESTATE.
THERE'S ALWAYS A, A STANDARD CONFIDENTIALITY CLAUSE BETWEEN THE PARTIES THAT SAID, WE'VE BEEN TRANSPARENT IN THIS PROCESS FROM DAY ONE.
UM, WE HAVE NO ISSUE SHARING IT.
WE CAN GO BACK TO THE SELLERS, UM, SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH CONDITIONS THAT WILL ALLOW US TO SHARE IT.
AS I SAID, WE'VE SHOWN IT TO CITY STAFF.
WE'VE EXCERPTED DIFFERENT PROVISIONS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THE WAY WE RELOCATE THE HOMELESS POPULATION, PURCHASE PRICE, AND OTHER KEY, UM, PROVISIONS.
UM, AS I SAID, I'M HAPPY AFTER THIS HEARING BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING TO GO BACK TO THE SELLER AND WORK WITH CITY STAFF AND ATTORNEYS TO COME UP WITH A FRAMEWORK THAT ALLOWS US TO SHARE IT.
WELL, I THINK YOU JUST BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT.
YOU SAID YOU EXCERPTED OUT WHERE THE HOMELESS WILL BE RELOCATED.
NOW, I, I BELIEVE WHAT YOU MEAN IT'S GONNA BE OUTSIDE OF MIAMI BEACH, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE A FIDUCIARY DUTY TO PROTECT OUR CITY AND OUR RESIDENTS.
HOW DO WE HAVE THE GUARANTEE IF IT'S EXCERPTED OUT SO WE HAVE COMMITTED TO THOSE ITEMS IN THE DA.
SO ALL THOSE, UH, PROVISIONS THAT REQUIRE US TO TAKE ACTIONS WITH REGARDS TO THE HOMELESS POPULATION ARE REPEATED IN THE DA.
AND THE ZONING OVERLAY IS DEPENDENT ON THE DA IN ORDER FOR US TO GET OUR BONUSES.
SO WE DON'T GET OUR ZONING UNLESS WE PERFORM ON THE DA AND THE DA ECHOES THOSE PROVISIONS THAT REQUIRE US TO PERFORM IN THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT.
SO IT FLOWS THROUGH FROM THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT INTO THE DA, WHICH WE ARE BINDING OURSELVES TO.
AND THE ZONING OVERLAY REQUIRES US TO MEET THOSE CONDITIONS OF THE DA IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THE BONUSES THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
AND DOES THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE BIKINI HOSTEL HAVE AS PART OF THIS AGREEMENT THAT THEY WILL NOT HOUSE ANY HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS? OBVIOUSLY IT'S PURSUANT TO THE, TO THE HOMELESS TRUST IN ANOTHER PROPERTY ON MIAMI BEACH.
SO WE HAVE A PROVISION IN OUR AGREEMENT THAT THE RELOCATION OF HOMELESS POPULATION MUST BE OUTSIDE OF MIAMI BEACH.
AND WE HAVE A TIMEFRAME IN WHICH THEY DO IT.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE CURRENT HOMELESS AT THE BIKINI HOSTEL WILL NOT, WILL BE OUTSIDE OF MIAMI BEACH, BUT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY, THEY MAY OR MAY POTENTIALLY OWN OTHER PROPERTIES IN MIAMI BEACH.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THIS OWNER DOESN'T JUST TURN AROUND AND DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND BY THE WAY, AGAIN, AND I HOPE EVERYONE LISTENING HERE, THIS COMMISSION COLLECTIVELY HAS TRIED TO ACT HUMANELY.
WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW AT THE BIKINI HOUSEHOLD IS NOT ONLY UNFAIR TO OUR RESIDENTS, IT IS COMPLETELY UNFAIR TO THE HOUSING POPULATION THERE.
THIS IS NOT A HOMELESS SHELTER.
THERE'S A BAR, I THINK IT WAS RECENTLY SHUT DOWN, BUT THERE'S A BAR IN THE MIDDLE.
YOU HAVE A SOCIAL SERVICES WORKER SITTING ON A RICKETY TABLE.
I'VE SEEN IT WITH MY OWN EYES.
WE COULDN'T, YOU HAVE HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS EATING LITERALLY ON THE SIDEWALK.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO DINING ROOM.
AGAIN, ALL OF THIS IS CAMILLA'S HOUSE AND CAMILLA'S HOUSE.
DESPITE SOME OF THOSE STATEMENTS THAT I'VE, THAT I'VE READ, THE CAMILLA'S HOUSE
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ABSOLUTELY HAS BEDS.THEY'VE TOLD US THEY HAVE BEDS.
THEY'VE TOLD US THEY WOULD HELP TRANSFER THE INDIVIDUALS.
UM, ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THOSE OBLIGATIONS DO LIVE IN THE DA AND THERE ARE NO ZONING BENEFITS WITHOUT MEETING THOSE OBLIGATIONS IN THE DA.
AND THE DA TIES DIRECTLY TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE PSA.
SO YOU'RE NOT RELYING ON THE PSA BECAUSE IT'S IN THE DA ITSELF.
THOSE CONDITIONS ARE PARROTED THERE AND WE ARE BINDING OURSELVES TO MEET THOSE OBLIGATIONS.
WELL, I'M GONNA NEED TO READ ALL OF THAT LANGUAGE MYSELF, JUST WITH MY OWN EYES.
UH, WE, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO.
ALSO, UM, HAS THE HOMELESS TRUST RECEIVED ANY CONSIDERATION PAYMENT ABSOLUTELY.
TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING BE SO THAT'S NOT FROM YOU.
HA HAS THEY HAVE RE HAVE THEY RECEIVED ANY PAYMENT OR CONSIDERATION FROM ANY OTHER PARTY TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? I WOULDN'T KNOW.
I, I DON'T INTERACT WITH THE HOMELESS TRUST.
I'VE NEVER SPOKEN TO THEM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AT ANY TIME.
COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ
ARE WE GONNA TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? OH, YEAH.
I'M, I'M HAPPY TO, TO TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
I HAVE, UH, QUESTIONS THAT I, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE THAT LIVE AT THE PROPERTY.
NOW IS OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, BY THE WAY, WHAT I'M DOING IS I'M, I'M GONNA COMBINE SUT NICK HOUR WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, SO, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.
I THINK THAT'LL GIVE THE BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC WHERE WE'RE THINKING AS WELL WHEN, WHEN WE GET THEIR FEEDBACK.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'VE RAISED A VERY GOOD POINT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UM, AND A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS A PRIVATE AGREEMENT, A PRIVATE PSA, WHICH CLEARLY THE CITY IS NOT A PARTY TO.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AN NDA IS VOLUNTARY.
UH, AN NDA WAS, YOU KNOW, THE PARTIES COULD CHOOSE TO, TO, TO, TO WAIVE THOSE, THOSE PROVISIONS.
AND SO WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE SOMETHING.
I THINK IT, IT'S ONLY, IT'S ONLY PROPER THAT, THAT WE BE ABLE TO SEE THAT AGREEMENT THAT WE BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE TERMS IN, IN THAT, IN, IN THAT AGREEMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, IT WAS MENTIONED ON THE RECORD, UM, THAT, THAT THE CITY ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT SUPPORT THE 300 FEET.
THERE'S TWO PROVISIONS THAT WE'RE STILL SLIGHTLY OFF ON.
ONE IS THE HEIGHT WHERE THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR 330 FEET.
THE ADMINISTRATION IS STILL AT 300.
THE OTHER IS THE FAR WHERE THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR 5.75 FAR TOTAL FOR THE SITE.
THE ADMINISTRATION IS RECOMMENDING 4.75.
I THINK IT'S, I I THINK I I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT JUST, YOU KNOW, TODAY WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE LDR CHANGES.
SO TODAY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UM, ARE THE, ARE THE ISSUES RELATING TO THE ACQUISITION OF THE HOSTEL PROPERTY AND, AND ITS DEMOLITION, UH, WAIVER OF CERTAIN FEES, UH, THE COMPLETION OF THE BAY WALK PROJECT.
WE'RE CONSIDERING, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF A POTENTIAL PARK OR OTHER PUBLIC BENEFIT AT THE HOSTEL SITE AND, AND ITS TRANSFER TO, TO CITY OWNERSHIP.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TODAY.
YOU'RE CONSIDERING FIRST READING OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH BASICALLY OUTLINES THE TRANSACTION OF WHAT PUBLIC BENEFIT IS BEING PROVIDED TO THE CITY AND IN, UM, IN EXCHANGE FOR THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT.
BUT WE'RE NOT APPROVING LDR CHANGES.
WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE HIGH TODAY.
WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE SETBACKS.
SO THAT'S, SO, SO LET'S GO TO, TO TO, TO WHAT I HAVE GREAT CONCERNS ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE, UM, AT 1250 WEST AVENUE RIGHT NOW.
AND SO WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE BUILDING ARE HOMESTEADED PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ACTUALLY LIVE THERE? I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
THAT MEANS THAT AND THOSE, AND THAT 20%, YOU'RE OFFERING ASSISTANCE TO THAT 20% OF HOMESTEADED PROPERTY OWNERS? YES.
WELL, THE HOMESTEADED PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, HAVE BEEN PAID A LITTLE BIT MORE TO HELP THEM, UM, AS HOMESTEAD VERSUS INVESTORS.
SO WE TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE WERE NEGOTIATING EACH INDIVIDUAL CONTRACT.
BUT THE BALANCE OF THE BUILDING IS THAT 80% IS
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TENANT OCCUPIED AND, AND THAT, AND THAT 80% ARE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO MAKE UP OUR WORKFORCE.AND THOSE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT THE MOMENT THAT THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED AND THE MOMENT THAT THEY ARE DISPLACED AND THIS BUILDING IS DEMOLISHED, THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE FACED WITH THE STRUGGLE OF HAVING TO FIND NEW HOUSING.
AND THOSE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE WE ARE IN A, IN, IN AN EFFORT TO CREATE HOUSING STOCK IN OUR COMMUNITY HOUSING STOCK FOR THE WORKING CLASS WHO SERVICE OUR RESTAURANTS, WHO WORK IN OUR SCHOOLS, WHO, WHO TAKE CARE OF THE SICK AT, AT THE HOSPITAL, WHO PROVIDE FOR OUR ESSENTIAL SERVICES IN OUR, IN OUR CITY.
UM, AND IN OUR OWN EFFORTS OF PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS CITY, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS, HOW DO WE CREATE MORE THIS ATTAINABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING IN OUR CITY TO ADDRESS THE GREAT TRAFFIC CONGESTION THAT WE, THAT WE FACE IN OUR CITY.
AND SO I NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING DONE, WHAT IS BEING DONE TO HELP THESE INDIVIDUALS BE ABLE TO STAY IN OUR CITY AND HAVE A FUTURE IN THIS CITY AND NOD AND NOT BE PRICED OUT IF OUR CITY BY US TAKING AWAY, UH, THIS HOUSING.
SO I'LL SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THIS TOPIC.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, JUST ON THE TRAFFIC ISSUE, UM, WE'RE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT ZONING TONIGHT, PER SE, BUT THE DENSITY IN OUR PROPOSED PROJECT IS ABOUT A THIRD OF WHAT'S ALLOWED.
AND, AND MY QUESTION DOES NOT RELATE.
BUT AT THE RIGHT TIME WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ZONING, WE CAN TALK ABOUT DENSITY.
I AM TALKING, I WANT TO STAY FOCUSED AND DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO GET DEFLECTED FROM THE ASSISTANCE THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY AND WHO FORM PART OF OUR WORKFORCE WHO ARE GOING TO BE LOSING THEIR HOUSING, WHAT IS BEING DONE FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS SO THAT THEY, SO WE DON'T LOSE THIS POPULATION TO OTHER PARTS OF MIAMI.
SO I COMMISSION, UM, ON THE LAND USE AT, AT FIRST READ, UM, YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT YOU WANTED US TO LOOK INTO CREATING SOME SORT OF A TENANT RELOCATION FUND TO ASSIST THOSE WHO WILL BE, UM, DISPLACED BY THE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WE'VE TOOK YOUR SUGGESTION, UM, AND PROPOSED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, EITHER MELISSA OR NICK CAN RUN THROUGH WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE.
WE PROPOSED ESSENTIALLY A RELOCATION STIPEND FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE RENTERS THAT WILL BE, UM, EVENTUALLY WILL MOVE FROM THE BUILDING WHEN IT'S DEMOLISHED.
UM, WHAT ARE THOSE NUMBERS? I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE PLACED ON THE RECORD.
SO YEAH, SO IT'S $7,500 FOR A ONE BEDROOM.
IT'S $10,000 FOR A TWO BEDROOM FOR THOSE TENANTS THAT ARE GONNA RELOCATE AS RENTERS.
UM, WE ALSO, UH, BETWEEN, SO WE, SO THAT'S, THAT COMES OUT TO ABOUT THREE MONTHS, ROUGHLY THREE MONTHS.
AND WE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I AND I, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, HOW IS THAT AN ASSISTANCE TO SOMEONE? AND THE REALITY IS, ANY OF THESE TENANTS THAT ARE, THEY'RE NOT CHOOSING TO MOVE, THEY'RE BEING FORCED TO MOVE.
SO HOW DO WE ASSIST THEM THREE MONTHS? I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT AN ASSISTANCE THAT'S, THAT'S JUST LIKE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO ENCOUNTER.
I THINK WE REALLY ARE GOING TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT PROVIDING ASSISTANCE TO THESE INDIVIDUALS.
WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT FIVE OR SIX MONTHS.
'CAUSE THAT REALLY IS AN, AN, AN ASSISTANCE, YOU KNOW, ONE THING, YOU KNOW, THREE MONTHS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FIRST LAST SE SECURITY.
BUT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT WHAT REALLY IS AN ASSISTANCE THAT HELP THESE INDIVIDUALS STAY IN OUR CITY.
SO ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT RECENTLY, WHICH WE'RE WILLING TO EXPLORE IS PERHAPS MAKING A SLIDING SCALE IF SOMEBODY STAYS IN THE COMMUNITY, IF THEY STAY IN MIAMI BEACH VERSUS IF THEY MOVE ELSEWHERE.
MAYBE THERE'S A SLIDING SCALE.
I'LL SAY SOMETHING ELSE ON THE, THE DISPLACEMENT OR RELOCATION OF THOSE TENANTS.
WE DON'T PLAN ON DEMOLISHING THE BUILDING IMMEDIATELY, AND WE ARE GONNA LET ALL THE LEASES RUN NATURALLY.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE TERMINATING ANYBODY'S LEASE EARLY.
THERE IS NO LEASE IN THE BUILDING THAT RUNS PAST SIX, SIX MONTHS OR SO.
UM, MAYBE THERE'S ONE OR TWO THAT ARE SEVEN OR EIGHT MONTHS, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE TERMINATING ANYBODY'S LEASE EARLY.
THEY JUST, THEY JUST WON'T BE RENEWED.
AND WE ARE WILLING TO LOOK AT, UM, YEAH, BUT I THINK I, I THINK THAT'S YOUR INTENT.
BUT I THINK THE REALITY IS A LOT OF THESE TENANTS WHO HAVE FORMED A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR DECADES WITH THE CONVERSATION THAT IS BEING HAD AT THIS VERY MOMENT, I THINK THEY FEEL A CERTAIN LEVEL OF HOUSING AND SECURITY, AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT THEY WILL FEEL COMFORTABLE, UH, PROBABLY RENEWING LEASES AND ALL THAT.
I THINK IF THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE A HOUSING OPPORTUNITY, ESPECIALLY IN AN EXPENSIVE MARKET LIKE MIAMI BEACH.
AND I, AND, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT WHAT, WHAT WILL BE OFFERED TO TENANTS WHO STAY IN MIAMI BEACH? I NEED THAT PLACE ON THE RECORD.
WE, WE WILL, UM, GO BACK, CRUNCH SOME NUMBERS AND PROPOSE SOMETHING.
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WHAT WHAT TRULY IS FAIR IS IF WE GO BEYOND THE THREE MONTHS, IF WE LOOK AT, AT ASSISTING THESE, THESE INDIVIDUALS WITH SIX MONTHS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SECURE THEIR HOUSING IN OUR CITY, AND WE DON'T LOSE, UH, THE RESIDENT BASE, UH, OF INDIVIDUALS WHO CALL MIAMI BEACH HOME.THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S A GREAT CONCERN THAT I HAVE.
UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, WITH THAT I'LL LOVE TO HEAR FROM, FROM SOME OF MY, UH, OTHER COLLEAGUES UNDERSTANDING THAT TODAY WE'RE NOT APPROVING LDRS IS SIMPLY, UH, THESE, UH, THESE, THESE TERMS. I THINK CERTAINLY THE COMPLETION OF THE BAY WALK, YOU KNOW, I SEE THAT AS SOMETHING THAT'S MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL.
YES, IT IS A PUBLIC BENEFIT, UH, TO, TO OUR CITY, BUT IT DOES BENEFIT YOUR PROJECT AS WELL.
UH, SO WHILE IT IS A PUBLIC BENEFIT, I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IT DOES MAKE YOUR PROPERTY MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE AND GETTING RID OF THE BIKINI HUSTLE AGAIN, WHILE IT IS A SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC BENEFIT, IT HAS BEEN PART OF THE PUBLIC DISCOURSE OF THIS CITY, THE NUISANCE THAT IS CREATED.
IT'S ALSO HARDER FOR YOU TO SELL UNITS AT A LUXURY PROJECT LIKE THIS WILL BE IF THERE IS A MAKESHIFT HOMELESS SHELTER OPERATING ACROSS, ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, NOTWITHSTANDING THAT I UNDERSTAND, UH, THE, THE, THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US.
AND I AM GONNA PASS IT ON TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR COMMENTS.
UH, COMMISSIONER BOTES AND THEN COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE.
UM, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.
THE, HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO THE AVAILABILITY OF, UM, COMPARABLE RENTAL UNITS IN THE AREA AND THERE IS SUFFICIENT AFFORDABLE THAT FOLKS COULD MOVE INTO THAT ISN'T A SIGNIFICANT DOWNGRADE OR COST INCREASE? YES, THERE ARE COMPS FOR BOTH RENTALS AND FOR SELLERS HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE SELLING THEIR CONDOS.
WE DID A, A PRETTY DETAILED STUDY OF, OF COMPS THAT SELLERS CAN STAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF THEY CHOOSE, THEY CAN BUY IN SOME OF THE EXISTING STOCK ALONG WEST AVENUE AND BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN BETTER CONDITION THAN THIS ONE.
AND THERE ARE ALSO RENTAL UNITS AVAILABLE ALL UP AND DOWN THE CORRIDOR THAT ARE SIMILARLY PRICED FOR A STUDIO ONE, TWO BEDROOM, ET CETERA.
SO IF THE RESIDENTS CHOOSE TO STAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY HAVE PLENTY OF OPTIONS AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT.
UM, AND THEN THROUGH, I GUESS EITHER MR MANAGER OR MR. CITY ATTORNEY, IF WE'RE TALKING JUST ABOUT THE DA TODAY, BUT THERE'S SOME OF US WHO ARE STILL WRESTLING WITH THE HEIGHT, IF WE APPROVE THE DA, WE STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOWER THE HEIGHT.
THAT WILL BE HEARD AT THE NEXT MEETING.
NO, I KNOW, I KNOW THAT, BUT THE, THE DA ISN'T CONTINGENT ON THE HEIGHT.
WELL, TODAY'S THE FIRST READING OF THE DA.
THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF THE DA.
THIS WAS, UM, TIMED THIS WAY SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE SECOND READING OF THE DA AND THE SECOND READING OF THE LDRS AND COMP PLAN ALL SIMULTANEOUSLY AT THE NEXT MEETING OR AT WHATEVER MEETING YOU CHOOSE TO HEAR IT IN THE FUTURE.
ASK SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE BAY WALK.
ONE OF THE REASONS I FIRST GOT INVOLVED IN OUR CITY WAS 10 YEARS AGO FOR THE BAY WALK.
UH, IT WAS, I HAD DREAMS OF PUSHING MY DAUGHTER IN A STROLLER DOWN A CONTIGUOUS BAY WALK BEHIND OUR HOUSE WHERE WE LIVE AT SIX 50 WEST AVENUE.
AND HAS THE CITY COMPLETED ANY PORTION OF THE BAY WALK? MR. CITY MANAGER IN THE PAST 10 YEARS, HAS THE CITY COMPLETED HOW MANY FEET OF OUR BAY WALK HAS THE CITY CONSTRUCTED? SO THE CITY HAS BEEN REQUIRING ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO CONSTRUCT THE BAY WALK AS PART OF REDEVELOPMENT, UM, FOR ALL OF THE AREAS NORTH OF FIFTH STREET.
THE CITY ITSELF HAS NOT COMPLETED ANY, CITY'S NOT COMPLETED ANY 10 YEARS.
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS BAY WALK TO GET DONE.
AND OUR CITY HAS NOT COMPLETED A SINGLE FOOT OF THIS.
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A PROJECT THAT YOU BUILT ON WEST AVENUE WHERE YOU COMPLETED THAT.
AND WE BUILT A SECTION OF BAY WALK THAT IS VERY WIDELY USED TODAY.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT PLANS AND OPTIONS BEHIND THE BAY WALK, I, I THINK I HEAVILY LEAN ON PLAN A, UH, FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO DO THIS.
WE'VE ALL SAT UP HERE IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS AND TALKED ABOUT EFFICIENCY.
UM, IT JUST BEING MORE EXPENSIVE FOR GOVERNMENT TO DO THINGS PERHAPS INEFFECTIVE.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT THAT TIMELINE, THAT'S A PRIVATE DEVELOPER DOING THAT.
I'M A BIT TAKEN ABACK THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING THESE MONTHLY UPDATES.
AND COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR EFFORTS ON STAYING ON TOP OF THE BAY WALK.
BUT HOW, HOW MANY YEARS HAVE WE HAD CITY STAFF COME UP HERE AND SAY, GREAT PROGRESS.
AND NOW TO FIND OUT WE STILL NEED 18 MONTHS
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OR 12 MONTHS TO GET, UM, EASEMENT RIGHTS FROM 800 WEST AVENUE AND THEN A 30 SOME MONTH APPLICATION PROCESS.UH, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE CIP OR, OR THE PLANNING 800 WEST AVENUE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE A NEW DOCK BEHIND THEIR HOUSE AND THEY HAD RENOVATIONS ON THEIR POOL DECK IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
A FEW YEARS AGO, THEY CAME IN FOR AN APPLICATION TO SIGNIFICANTLY RENOVATE THEIR POOL DECK.
SO IN WHAT WORLD DID IT EVER NOT MAKE SENSE WHERE THIS BAY WALK HAS BEEN SUCH A PRESSING ISSUE FOR THE COMMUNITY NOT TO THINK COMPREHENSIVELY AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU HAVE TO CONSTRUCT THE BAY WALK.
WE'RE ISSUING YOU PERMITS TO GO AND BUILD A DOCK WHERE THE BAY WALK HAS TO BE CONSTRUCTED AND NOT HAVE THAT AS A PART.
WA WAS THAT PART OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR GETTING THESE PERMITS AS PART OF THEIR, UM, APPLICATION TO THE DRB FOR THESE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS? WE DID INCLUDE A VERY EXTENSIVE BAY WALK CONDITION, A PROVISION FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO PROVIDE REPAIRING RIGHTS AND TO AGREE TO ALLOW THE CITY AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, TO DESIGN PERMIT AND CONSTRUCTIVE BAY WALK.
GIVEN THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED AT THE TIME, IT WAS CONCLUDED THAT WE COULD NOT REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO CONSTRUCT AN OVER WATER BAY WALK, WHICH AT THE SOUTH BAY CLUB IS THE ONLY TYPE OF BAY WALK THAT YOU CAN DO BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF THE GARAGE TO THE SEA WALL.
SO IT'LL HAVE TO BE AN OVER THE WATER BAY WALK AND JUST WORK WITH ME THROUGH THIS.
SO WE WENT OUT AND HAD THEM ALLOW THEM TO CONSTRUCT DOCKS TO THE WEST OF THE BAY WALK EXACTLY WHERE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WE'D REQUIRE A OVER THE WATER BAY WALK TO BE BUILT.
WELL, THE, THE DOCK HAD BEEN EXISTING PREVIOUSLY, AND THE APPLICATION THAT THEY WERE IN FOR WERE, WAS FOR POOL DECK IMPROVEMENTS ON THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO THOSE WATER STRUCTURES, THOSE MARINE STRUCTURES WERE THERE.
UM, AND THEY WEREN'T PROPOSING TO DO ANYTHING TO THAT.
AND, AND THE SAME THING BEHIND 1100 WEST AVENUE, RIGHT? THEY WENT AND GOT PERMITS FOR A $25 MILLION RENOVATION ON THEIR POOL DECK, AND THEY HAD REQUIREMENTS TO BUILD THE BAY WALK.
AND IT WASN'T SAT THERE AND SAID, YOU WANT THIS, YOU HAVE TO GO AND CONSTRUCT THAT.
AND THANK YOU TO THE EFFORTS FOR, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONS IN, IN RECENT YEARS WHERE THAT GOT CONSTRUCTED.
WHERE I'M GOING WITH ALL THIS IS THIS.
WE'VE HAD DESIGNERS AND WORLD RENOWNED ARCHITECTS WHEN THEY CAME AND LOOKED AT THE CONVENTION CENTER AND LOOKED AT OUR CITY HOLISTICALLY AND SAID ONE OF THE BIGGEST PIECES TO THIS ENTIRE PUZZLE IS FORMING A CONTIGUOUS BAY WALK AROUND OUR ENTIRE CITY.
AND WE SEE THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT THAT THAT BEACH WALK IS, IT'S ONE OF THE BEST AMENITIES ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, AND WE SHOULD BE PRIORITIZING THE BAY WALK TO THE SAME.
UH, SO THE FACT THAT WE CAN KICKSTART THIS, I'M A BIT TAKING ABACK THAT IT, IT'LL STILL BE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, AND I JUST LAMENT HOW LONG IT'LL TAKE IF WE DON'T HAVE PRIVATE SECTOR EXPERIENCE.
BECAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY COUGHING UP 25, $30 MILLION ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT COULD BE ALLOCATED IN THE GEO BOND, IT'LL NEVER GET DONE, NEVER EVER.
I WILL NEVER FULFILL THAT DREAM OF, I CERTAINLY WON'T BE ABLE TO PUSH HER IN HER STROLLER, UH, GIVEN THAT
YEAH, SHE MIGHT BE PUSHING ME, SHE MIGHT BE PUSHING ME, OR AT LEAST HER POPS THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THERE IN THE BACK.
UM, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A TRUE COMMUNITY AMENITY, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT FOR THIS BAY WALK.
I CAN REMEMBER COMING UP AND, AND TALKING TO THEN COMMISSIONER STEVEN MINOR AND MAYOR GELBER SAYING, YOU GUYS BETTER GET ON 800 WEST AVENUE BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS PRIVATE DEVELOPER COME IN AND CONSTRUCT AN OVERPASS OVER FIFTH AVENUE OF A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE.
AND WE WILL NOT HAVE DONE OUR PART IN CONSTRUCTING 800 WEST AVENUE.
AND IF THIS DOESN'T GO FORWARD, THAT'LL STILL REMAIN.
AND, AND, AND I CAN'T CO-SIGN TO JUST SIT THERE FOR 10, FOR 15, FOR 20 YEARS NOT HAVING THIS BAY WALL COMPLETED.
UM, WHILE WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO SOME OF THE LDR UH, AMENITIES, I, I'D ASK FOR CONSIDERATION, I KNOW THIS IS SMALL, BUT IT JUST CAME UP.
IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A SALES CENTER THERE ON THE SITE OF THE BIKINI HOSTEL, UH, PERHAPS THAT I KNOW HOW BEAUTIFUL SOME OF THESE NEW MODERN SALES CENTERS ARE, UM, IF WE CAN LOOK FOR SOME SORT OF ABILITY FOR A COMMUNITY ACTIVATION THERE, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF MONTHS.
I KNOW THERE'S CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS THAT HOST MEETINGS, UH, WHETHER IT BE SOBE, WEST, WNA, THERE'S A BUNCH OF CHILDREN IN THE AREA, UH, FAMILIES.
IF WE COULD DO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF NIGHTS WHERE THERE WOULD BE, UH, COMMUNITY SOCIAL HOURS OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR WHEN THE SALES CENTER IS, UH, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT UM, UH, FOR FIVE PARK, I DON'T THINK WE FULLY UTILIZE.
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HAVE THIS GORGEOUS SALES CENTER THAT JUST GOES UNUTILIZED.UM, SO THAT'S REALLY, UH, WHAT I FOCUS ON IS THE TIMELINE OF THE BAY WALK.
UM, AND, AND ONE LAST QUESTION, I'LL, I'LL KICK IT OVER.
IS THERE ANY WAY, I SAW THAT IT'LL TAKE 12 MONTHS TO ACQUIRE EASEMENT, UH, SORRY, EASEMENT RIGHTS FOR, UH, THE DEVELOPER TO GET FROM 800 WEST AVENUE AND THEN A 30 MONTH PERMIT PROCESS.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO OVERLAP THOSE SO WE CAN APPLY FOR SOME OF THESE PERMITS WHILE YOU'RE OBTAINING THOSE RIGHTS? COMMISSIONER? I WON'T SPEAK FOR THE DEVELOPER, BUT, UH, IN THEORY THEY SHOULD HAPPEN IN TANDEM IN TERMS OF PREPARING DOCUMENTS AS WELL AS OBTAINING THE EASEMENTS.
WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS WITH 800, HOWEVER, IT CAME KIND OF TO A SCREECHING HALT HALT LAST YEAR WHEN, UH, THE NOTION OF THIS BEING PART OF THE BENEFIT FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO, AND ALSO WITH 2028 WEST, UH, IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT GETTING ANYTHING BACK FROM THEM ONCE IT WAS IN PLAY FOR THIS DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT.
WE HAVE EASEMENTS FOR 1450 LINCOLN ROAD.
SO I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT.
AND, AND I'M HOPING THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE WORKING OFF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED AND MAKE IT A LOT FASTER.
AND I THINK IT COULD BE DONE SIMULTANEOUSLY.
AND I KNOW I SAID ONE QUESTION, I'LL ASK ONE MORE OF THE DEVELOPER, IF YOU COULD JUST STEP UP HERE AND, UH, THIS IS, I, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPER WOULD NEED TO MOVE WITH, UH, CONFIDENTIALITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT IF I'M LIED TO, IT'S UNFORGIVING.
UH, THERE'S BEEN RESIDENTS THAT REACHED OUT, UH, WORRIED AT 800 WEST AVENUE THAT THEIR CONDOS COULD BE UNDER SOME SORT OF, UM, UH, BULK PURCHASE, UH, ACTIVITY.
ARE YOU INVOLVED IN THAT ANY WHICH WAY? NO, I HEARD A RUMOR ABOUT THAT A FEW WEEKS AGO, BUT WE'VE NEVER SPOKEN TO ANY RESIDENT AT 800 WEST, NOR HAVE WE SPOKEN TO THE CONDO BOARD.
AND I'LL JUST WANNA SAY ON, ON THE DATES, THOSE ARE OUTSIDE DATES.
UM, MOSTLY TO ACCOUNT FOR HOW LONG IT TAKES DARM TO DO THEIR THING.
IF WE GET THE PERMITS FASTER, YOU HAVE OUR COMMITMENT THAT WE'LL START WORKING FASTER.
I JUST WANT YOU TO SAY THAT COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ, THANK YOU AND, UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE FOR BRINGING UP THE BAY WALK.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A PASSION OF MANY PAST AND PRESENT COMMISSIONERS.
I KNOW MARK SAMUEL USED TO WALK ON THAT BAY WALK EVERY DAY AND FORCEFULLY ADVOCATED FOR IT.
AND THAT'S HOW THE MONDRIAN PART GOT, UH, BUILT, UH, BY HAVING IT PRIVATELY DONE.
'CAUSE IT DOES HELP TO KICKSTART THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS.
SO I REALLY AM IN FAVOR OF IT.
UM, FIRST I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, FOR THE RESTAURANT THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE, UH, PROJECT, I KNOW THAT, UH, YOU'VE SPOKEN TO THE NEIGHBORS AND THERE ARE REQUESTS ON THE SIZE, NO ALCOHOL CLOSED BY EIGHT O'CLOCK.
UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PROVISIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE AGREEMENT.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THOSE, THOSE, UH, RESOLUTIONS WILL BE PART OF THE OVERLAY, WHICH WILL BE AT THE NEXT, UH, AGENDA.
BUT ALREADY SENT IT AND WE'VE ALREADY SENT IT.
BUT I'LL SAY THAT, UM, WE'VE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS AND WE'VE COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT WILL BE INCLUDED.
AND THOSE RESTRICTIONS, UH, WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE OP 'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE IN THERE.
AND I'LL ECHO WHAT THE MAYOR SAID AT THE BEGINNING.
I'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THE BEGINNING HOSTEL BEFORE I EVEN BECAME A COMMISSIONER.
AND I WOULD HEAR FROM THE ACTIVISTS, UH, GAIL AND AMY AND SUSANNA AND TIM AND, UH, STEFAN.
I MEAN, SO MANY PEOPLE FOR YEARS WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.
SO MUCH SO THAT WHEN I GOT ELECTED, UH, THEY ASKED ME TO TRY TO SPEARHEAD A MEETING WITH THE BIKINI HOSTEL, AND I WENT WITH ONE OF THE WNA PEOPLE, MET WITH THE OWNERS.
UH, IT WAS AN INTENSE MEETING AND THINGS, UM, GOT PROGRESSIVELY WORSE.
AND WE ARE WHERE WE ARE TODAY BECAUSE OF DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE, UH, BY THIS COMMISSION IN, IN THE PAST.
BUT, UM, THE WAY, UM, THE MAYOR WAS SPEAKING EARLIER THAT IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON INCLUDES THE BIKINI HOSTEL.
I CAN'T STRESS TO YOU HOW PART OF MY DECISION THE BIKINI HOSTEL IS, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT VOTING ON HEIGHT TODAY, BUT I HAVE RECEIVED EMAILS FROM FOLKS AND THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, THE FAR BEING AT A SCALE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHERE YOU STARTED INITIALLY AND WHERE YOU ARE NOW AND HOW IT COMPARES TO OTHER BUILDINGS? SURE.
SO WE STARTED, UH, WITH AN APPLICATION FOR 420 FEET IN HEIGHT, WHICH, UM, WE UNDERSTOOD WOULD SET A NEW HEIGHT PRECEDENT AND WOULD'VE BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY TALLER THAN ITS, UH, ALMOST IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR, THE WAVERLY AND SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS INCLUDING, UH, FLAMINGO,
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CENTER TOWER AND THE FLORIDIAN.WE'VE NOW LOWERED IT TO 330 FEET, WHICH IS ABOUT THE SAME HEIGHT AS SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND SHORTER THAN THE WAVERLY, WHICH IS JUST ONE BUILDING OVER.
SO WE AREN'T SETTING A NEW HEIGHT PRECEDENT.
WE THINK THAT THE BUILDING WILL FIT IN SCALE VERY WELL WITH THE CONTEXTUAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UM, ON BALANCE, UM, WE THINK THAT, UH, IT'S A STRONG, UH, PROPOSAL FOR A VERY HIGH QUALITY BUILDING.
MR. CITY MANAGER, UM, WE, LAST TIME WE BROACHED THE SUBJECT, WE ASKED FOR AN ECONOMIC ANALYSIS AND THAT CAME IN.
UM, DO YOU AGREE WITH THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS OF $272 MILLION? SO I THINK IT'S IN THE BALLPARK.
UM, I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME COMPONENTS OF THAT ECONOMIC ANALYSIS THAT, UH, I WOULD FEEL A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE WITH, LIKE DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT OVER 150 FEET VERSUS UNDER 150 FEET.
UM, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A WELL CREDENTIALED, UM, ECONOMIC ANALYST AND HE'S GIVEN US HIS PROFESSIONAL OPINION.
SO GIVEN YOU SAID YOU'RE IN THE BALLPARK, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY YOU'RE IN PLUS OR MINUS 10? 20 MILLION? MILLION? OH, NO, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD GO THAT NARROW.
UM, I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY ANY ECONOMIC ANALYSIS LIKE THIS IS, IS TAKING A LOT INTO CONSIDERATION.
I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING PLUS OR MINUS 25, 30%.
WELL, WHAT'D IT TAKE FOR YOU TO ASSUME THAT IT WOULD BE PLUS 25% OR 30%? UH, ULTIMATELY I WOULD WANT THE ECONOMIC ANALYST TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY HE'S NOT HERE TODAY, HE'S NOT AVAILABLE, HE'S FLYING.
UM, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE BACK TO HIM AND WE CAN HAVE HIM AVAILABLE AT SECOND READING.
THE ONLY REASON I ASK THIS IS BECAUSE A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT TIED TO ANY SORT OF LDR CHANGE AS FAR AS HEIGHT OR FAR, BUT I BELIEVE IT IS BECAUSE IF THE, IF THIS DEVELOPER IS SET TO MAKE A QUARTER BILLION DOLLARS ON, ON THIS PROPERTY AT A CERTAIN HEIGHT IN FARI, I MEAN I BELIEVE THAT THE TWO ARE TIED TO THE HIT.
I, I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA NEGOTIATE SOMETHING LESS HIGH OR LESS MASSIVE, THEN THE PUBLIC BENEFIT SHOULD CHANGE AS WELL.
OR, UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO GO BASED ON WHAT THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS CONCLUDES, WHICH IS $270 MILLION.
IS THAT A GOOD DEAL FOR US? I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA BE SELLING ZONING AND IF WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING ZONING, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A, A, A FAIR DEAL FOR THE CITY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I I, I CERTAINLY DON'T LIKE THAT THE BIKINI HOSTELS HERE, AND IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THE BAY WALK COMPLETED FASTER THAN NORMAL.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT IS THAT IN, IN TERMS OF, OF, OF VALUE? UM, SHOULD WE BE ASKING FOR MORE? AND YOU KNOW, AS A CITY MANAGER, UH, I'M ASKING YOU THAT, DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE, DO YOU THINK THAT THIS IS A FAIR DEAL? DO SO, I BELIEVE AT THE HEIGHT AND THE FAR THAT THE CITY IS PROPOSING, I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT PACKAGE IS ABSOLUTELY REASONABLE AND COMMENSURATE WITH THE, UM, THE VALUE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING.
I DO THINK, AND I'VE SAID PUBLICLY BEFORE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO RECOVER 20 TO 30% OF THE VALUE THAT YOU'RE ADDING TO THE PROJECT.
UM, LET'S ASSUME FOR SAKE OF ARGUMENT THAT THE $270 MILLION IS ACCURATE, THEN YOU'RE LOOKING ABOUT 54 TO $76 MILLION, 70, $80 MILLION.
AND WE'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT WE'RE YEAH, 2 72 30% OF 2 72 IS 81 MILLION.
SO CAN YOU ADD IT UP TO, ADD IT UP FOR ME? UH, HOW DO WE GET TO $80 MILLION WHERE WE ARE NOW? SO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS IF YOU'RE TAKING $272 MILLION, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FAR AND THE HEIGHT THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED BY THE PRIVATE APPLICANT.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LOWER HEIGHT AND THE LOWER FAR NUMBER THAT THE CITY IS CURRENTLY PROPOSING, YOU HAVE TO REDUCE THAT
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NUMBER BY APPROXIMATELY 20%.AND THEN IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT 20 TO 30% OF THAT, YOU'RE IN THE BALLPARK OF THE $45 MILLION PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT WE HAVE NEGOTIATED HERE.
SO STAFF, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING A LOWER, A SLIGHTLY LOWER FAR AND A SLIGHTLY HEIGHT, A SLOW LOWER HEIGHT.
CORRECT? I, I WOULD SAY IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN SLIGHTLY LOWER FAR BUT SLIGHTLY LOWER HEIGHT.
SO WOULDN'T THAT INVOLVE THE DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHERE WE GET A, UH, A PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT'S COMMENSURATE WITH, WITH, WITH WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR? SO, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR MORE.
AND THEN STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THIS PROJECT BE APPROVED, BUT THE DEVELOPER'S ASKING FOR MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.
SO SHOULDN'T THAT BE COMMENSURATE WITH MORE PUBLIC BENEFITS? YES, CERTAINLY THERE IS A, A LINKAGE BETWEEN THE, UM, VALUE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TO THE OVERLAY DISTRICT AND THE, UM, PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT ARE BEING DERIVED BY THE CITY.
SO, UM, BACK TO THE, THE, THE NUMBERS.
AND RIGHT NOW WITH THE BAY WALK AND THE BIKINI HOUSEHOLD, HOW MUCH IS ADDED UP TO, SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN? THE PUBLIC BENEFITS? YEP.
BUT FOR THE RECORD, WHAT, WHY DON'T YOU GO OVER WHAT THE PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT WE'RE RECEIVING IN DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
SO DAVID, DO YOU MIND THE TOTAL PACKAGE IS APPROXIMATELY 45 MILLION.
ANY SLIDES ON THIS? DAVID? ANY CHANCE? I'M SORRY.
DO YOU HAVE A SLIDE THAT SHOWS ON ONE PAGE ALL THE PUBLIC BENEFITS? UH, I DON'T, MR. MAYOR.
UM, BUT IT'S REALLY COMPOSED OF THREE ELEMENTS.
ONE BEING THE BIKINI HOSTILE PROPERTY, THE VALUE OF THE BIKINI HOSTILE PROPERTY.
THE OTHER IS THE VALUE OF THE PARK COMPONENT, WHICH IS UP TO $2 MILLION.
AND THEN THERE'S THE VALUE OF THE BAY WALKS, WHICH WE'RE, UH, ESTABLISHING AT LEAST ON THE CITY SIDE, THAT IS, UH, $25 MILLION.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT, MR. MAYOR.
UM, SO YOU'RE ESTIMATING THE BIKINI HOSTEL AT WHAT VALUE ERIC? APPROXIMATELY $20 MILLION.
SO THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE 40 MILLION ISH MM-HMM
SO IF, IF THERE'S $272 MILLION AS REPORTED BY OUR, OUR ECONOMIC ANALYSIS, AND WE WANT 30% OF, OR 30% OF THAT WOULD BE 81, WHY ARE WE CUTTING OURSELVES SHORT? SO IF YOU TAKE OFF THE 20% OF THE FAR, YOU'RE BASICALLY KNOCKING THE NUMBER DOWN BY 20%.
AND THEN JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE 20% HAIRCUT IS WHAT THE CITY IS WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING RE OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPER ON THE FAR SIDE? YEAH, BUT IF WE DON'T, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I THINK THE LDR SHOULD BE TIED IN WITH THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT BECAUSE IF, IF WE DON'T VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT FOR MORE AFFAIR AND MORE HYPE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE CITY'S RECOMMENDING.
WHY ARE WE VOTING TODAY ON ONLY ON A DA AGREEMENT? AND YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS FIRST READING, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S PROPERLY POSITION OURSELVES AND YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY GIVE US FEEDBACK ON ALL OF THE PROVISIONS.
UM, ULTIMATELY, IF, IF WE'RE TALKING STRICTLY NUMBERS, REMEMBER IT'S A RANGE 20 TO 30%, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT FAR VALUES, 4.75 VERSUS 5.75.
SO IT, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES THERE.
AND I THINK THAT AS I REPRESENTED, WE'RE BASICALLY WITHIN THE BALLPARK.
WELL, LET'S JUST GO FOR THE NUMBERS AGAIN.
I MEAN, IF I DO 2 72 AND YOU'RE SAYING LITTLE SHAVE OFF 20%, UM, 20%, 54 MILLION.
SO THEN YOU HAVE 225 MILLION TIMES 0.3, THAT'S 67 MILLION.
WE'RE, WE'RE STILL CUTTING OURSELVES SHORT.
IF YOU, IF YOU SHAVED OFF 20% OFF THE 2 72 AT THE 30% NUMBER YES.
AT THE 20% NUMBER, YOU WOULD BE, WELL, I'M, YOU SAID THAT YOU SHAVING OFF 20% FROM 20 PER 20% SHAVED
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OFF ON THE FAR AND THEN A RANGE OF 20 TO 30% ON THE PUBLIC BENEFIT.SO YOU'RE TAKING THE UPPER BOUND OF THE PUBLIC BENEFIT.
I'M TELLING YOU WHAT THE LOWER BOUND OF THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS, AND OBVIOUSLY THE REST IS THE NEGOTIATION.
I'LL RESERVE MY THOUGHTS FOR, UM, AGAIN IN A FEW MINUTES, COMMISSIONER, IF YOU WANNA COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ.
I JUST WANNA ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE SOMETHING WAS SAID AND THERE WAS A NO INCIDENT, SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID IN RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER SUAREZ'S QUESTION, AND THAT WAS WHAT THE CITY VALUES, THE BAY WALK.
IS THERE ANY OTHER VALUE TO THE BAY WALK BESIDES THE CITY'S VALUE COMMISSIONER? WE HAVE, UH, CONSULTANTS THAT HAVE PREPARED PROBABLE COST ESTIMATES OF THE THREE DIFFERENT BAY WALKS IN QUESTION.
AND WE HAVE PROFFERED THOSE NUMBERS OF WHAT IT WOULD COST US.
IS THERE ANY OTHER NUMBER BESIDES THE CITY'S NUMBER? WE, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY OTHER NUMBER OTHER THAN THE VERY, VERY ORIGINAL NUMBER THAT WAS PROFFERED, WHICH WAS $5 MILLION.
THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED, UH, WITH THE PROFFERING ON THE BAY WALK PUBLIC BENEFIT.
I LOOK AT PAGE 15 OF THE DRAFT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
I SEE THAT THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT VALUED THIS AT 1.25 MILLION PER SEGMENT OF THE BAY WALK WHO DRAFTED THIS ORIGINAL AGREEMENT.
THE AGREEMENT THAT'S, UM, INCLUDED IN THE, IN THIS ITEM IS THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPER.
BY THE DEVELOPER, THE CITY WITH THE CITY'S SO THE DEVELOPER.
SO THE DEVELOPER PROVIDED A LOWER VALUE TO THIS PUBLIC BENEFIT INITIALLY THAN WHAT THE CITY IS VALUING IT.
AND SO, WHICH THEN GOES TO COMMISSIONER SUAREZ'S POINT THAT WE'RE CUTTING OURSELVES SHORT, BECAUSE IF THE DEVELOPER IS SAYING THAT THE VALUE OF THIS IS 1,000,200 50,000 PER SEGMENT OF THE BAY WALK, AND THERE ARE THREE SEGMENTS OF THE BAY WALK, I DON'T KNOW THEN HOW WE ARE GETTING TO A $25 MILLION, UH, NUMBER TO IT.
THIS IS THE NUMBER THAT THE CITY IS AS PART OF THE NEGOTIATION IS TELLING THE DEVELOPER THAT WE'RE WILLING TO LIVE WITH, IF WE'RE GONNA IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM SUPPORT AND ENDORSE THIS DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT, THAT IS WHAT IT WOULD COST US TO BUILD THIS THING.
WHAT WE PROFFERED TO THEM IS IF YOU'RE ABLE TO PERMITTED, DESIGNED IT AND CONSTRUCTED AND TURNED IT OVER TO THE CITY, THEN WE DON'T HAVE A NEED TO SEE THIS 25 MILLION BECAUSE WE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD EVEN BE GIVING THEM AN OPTION OUT.
I THINK IT, WE START IN A VERY WRONG FOOT IF WE GIVE THEM AN OPTION OUT, BECAUSE THE OPTION SHOULD BE TO COMPLETE IT.
THAT SHOULD BE LIKE, LIKE IF YOU DON'T COMPLETE IT, YOU'RE IN DEFAULT AND THEN WE TAKE ANOTHER ACTION.
BUT WHEN WE STARTING, WHEN WE'RE STARTING OFF WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE AN OUT FOR IT, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD.
BUT, BUT WHAT I REALLY DON'T LIKE IS THAT WE CAN, IN ESSENCE, GET MORE PUBLIC BENEFITS IF WE GO WITH THE DEVELOPER'S NUMBER, THEN GOING WITH THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE CALCULATED, I THINK WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT COMMISSIONER, WAS HOW DO WE DELIVER THIS BAY WALK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE KNOWING WHAT IT WOULD COST US AND THE TIME THAT IT WOULD TAKE US TO DO THIS.
SO I'M, I'M I'M SAYING, I'M WITH I'M WITH YOU.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE DEVELOPERS, THAT THE DEVELOPER'S VALUATION OF IT IN TERMS OF PUBLIC BENEFITS FOR THE CITY TO RECEIVE PUBLIC BENEFITS, IT'S MORE TO OUR BENEFIT TO GET MORE FROM THIS THAN OUR NUMBERS BECAUSE THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE DEVELOPER'S VALUATION OF IT, OF 1.25, THAT'S, THAT, THAT PUTS A VALUE UP TO OF 3,750,000.
OKAY, COMMISSIONER, IF I CAN EXPLAIN THAT, THAT'S NOT OUR, THAT'S NOT THE CITY'S NUMBER.
THE $1,250,000 THAT IS THE DEVELOPER'S PROPOSAL PER SEGMENT.
IF THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO PERMIT IT, THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO, UM, GET EASEMENTS.
THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO CONSTRUCT IT.
OUR PROFFER IS $18 MILLION FOR THE SOUTH BAY CLUB, $5 MILLION FOR 1228 AND $2 MILLION FOR 1450 LINCOLN ROW, WHICH TOTALS TO 25 MILLION.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE STICKING TO.
THAT, THAT IS THE VALUE THAT WE ARE NOT GONNA BUDGE ON FOR THE, WHAT IT WOULD COST THE CITY TO BUILD THESE THINGS ALL IN.
AND THAT'S WHAT, WHERE, WHERE WE ARE IN THIS NEGOTIATION WITH THAT, THIS IS WHAT THEY REPRESENTED.
AND THAT'S IN TODAY'S DOLLARS.
I'M SORRY, IS IS THAT IN TODAY'S DOLLARS, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THAT'S IN TODAY'S THAT, THAT IT DOES HAVE SOME ESCALATIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, TO BE COMPLETED IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THEN ALL BETS ARE OFF AT THAT
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POINT.UH, SO WE HAVE TRIED TO, AND WE'RE WORKING ON WHAT WE TIE THE COMPLETION OF THE BAY WALK TWO AND WE HAVE TERMS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON AND NEGOTIATING RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'RE TYING THE COMPLETION OF THE BAY WALKS ALL THREE OF 'EM AS WELL.
AND COMPLETION, SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION AS WELL AS WHETHER OR NOT WE BUILD A PARK OR NOT, BUT AT LEAST THE CONVEYANCE OF THE HOSTILE PROPERTY PRIOR TO A TCO BEING ISSUED ON THE PRIVATE CONSTRUCTION.
AND THAT'S WHAT SOMETHING WE ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW IS ONE OF THE POINTS OF CONTENTION THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WORKS.
I JUST FEEL THAT THIS CLAUSE I, I WOULD'VE SEEN, NO, I WOULD'VE PREFERRED JUST TO SEE NO OPT OUT.
I THINK WE NEED TO TRUST IF WE'RE ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH SOMEONE TO DO THIS, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COMPLETE IT.
I THINK PUTTING THIS CLAUSE IN THERE, WE'VE IN ESSENCE TAKEN AWAY $20 MILLION IN VALUE OF PUBLIC BENEFIT BY US PUTTING THIS, THIS HIGHER VALUE ON THE ASSET THAN WHAT THE DEVELOPER ORIGINALLY PROFITED.
AND I THINK IN A CERTAIN WAY WE HAVE IN A WAY NEGOTIATED AGAINST OUR INTEREST AND, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW IT AT THIS POINT, YOU'VE NEGOTIATED THIS, BUT I THINK WE'VE GIVEN UP $20 MILLION IN PUBLIC INTEREST HERE AND, AND THROUGH THE MAYOR COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, UM, IN FIVE YEARS IT MIGHT BE 25% MORE RIGHT ON THE CPI INCREASE.
SO HAS THE STAFF INCLUDED THAT IN THE ANALYSIS? CERTAINLY.
UM, WE, AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THE FIGURES RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.
WE DID, I WE DID INCLUDE AN ESCALATION BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT EVEN HOW MUCH, UH, I'M SURE WE HAVE AT LEAST CPI IF NOT MORE PER YEAR.
UM, YEAH, BUT THAT'S JUST 3%, RIGHT? I MEAN, JUST NOTHING.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THE, WE WERE DIRECTED TO THE CONSULTANT TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS THING BEING CONSTRUCTED.
'CAUSE IT'S GONNA TAKE A GOOD, YOU KNOW, 18 MONTHS TO, TO, TO GET PERMITS IN HAND AT LEAST.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD NEGOTIATE THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT.
SO YOU'RE UP TO TWO YEARS AWAY FROM A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT IF EVERYTHING WORKS OUT LIKE WE, WE WOULD HOPE IT WOULD.
SO I, I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP ON WHAT, WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE WITH THE, THE VALUE THAT WE'RE SUPPOSEDLY GIVING AWAY AND TIED TO THE HEIGHT AND FAR BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY ARE CORRELATED WITH EACH OTHER, RIGHT? MR. CITY MANAGER.
AND IT'S CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY CORRELATED AS WE'RE NEGOTIATING THIS, THERE'S CERTAINLY CORRELATIONS AND, AND TOGGLE POINTS AND WE HAVE TO NEGOTIATE IT BASED ON THE TOTAL PACKAGE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I SEE A DEVELOP, WHEN I SEE A PUBLIC BENEFIT OF ONLY $41 MILLION, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT 15%, UM, OF THE 2 72, WHEN IF WE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S CUTTING OURSELVES SHORT.
IT, I THINK IT SHOULD BE CLOSER TO 30%.
LIKE, LIKE YOU SAY, IT SHOULD ALWAYS, WE SHOULD NEVER CUT OURSELVES SHORT.
RIGHT? IT SHOULD ALWAYS BE AT LEAST 30%.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW HOW I, I JUST, I I CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND WHY THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD STILL BE APPROVING THIS IF 30% OF 2 72 IS, UM, IS A HIGHER NUMBER THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ADMINISTRATION'S ASKING FOR A LOWER HEIGHT AND LOWER FAR BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON ON THAT TODAY.
BUT THIS IS SOMEHOW TIED TO THAT.
SO IF A SECOND READING COMES WHERE WE'RE VOTING ON AN LDR, UH, AND, AND COMP PLAN CHANGE AND IT STAYS THE SAME FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE DEVELOPER, THEN WE'RE DEFINITELY CUTTING OURSELVES SHORT.
SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE TOTAL PACKAGE.
AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO ALWAYS IS LOOK AT THE TOTAL PACKAGE TO SEE WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY AND WHETHER OR NOT IT HITS SOME OF THE MILE MARKERS OF WHAT IS CONSIDERED REASONABLE IN THE COMMUNITY, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ON PERCENTAGE OF PUBLIC BENEFIT TO ADDED VALUE.
AND ALL OF THOSE ARE RULES OF THUMB THERE, THERE'S NO BOOK OUT THERE, BUT I'M JUST TAKING YOUR RULE OF THUMB RULE OUT THERE.
I'M JUST TAKING YOUR RULE OF THUMB AT 30% AND THAT'S COMES OUT TO 81 MILLION.
BUT WELL, LET'S, LET'S, WE'RE MUR MIAMI BEACH, SO WE SHOULD BE AT THE HIGHER END.
UH, SO WOULD ALWAYS LOVE TO GET MORE FOR THE CITY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO.
I UNDERSTAND, RIGHT? I I'M TRYING TO GET, I'M TRYING TO GET AS MUCH MONEY FOR OUR TAXPAYERS AS AS POSSIBLE.
UM, SO I, I'M JUST, I'M I'M STILL STRUGGLING
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TO UNDERSTAND THAT.WHY WOULD THE ADMINISTRATION APPROVE THIS AT, AT A LOWER PUBLIC BENEFIT THAN YOU NORMALLY WOULD? JUST THE SEMANTICS ISSUE.
UH, THEY DON'T APPROVE ANYTHING WE DO AND THEY'RE JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.
WELL, THEY'RE GIVING THE RE THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GIVING THEIR RECOMMENDATION, THEIR, THEIR FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION.
IT, IT IS A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE TOTAL PUBLIC BENEFIT PACKAGE IN RELATION TO THE OTHER PIECES OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING MOVING FORWARD WITH.
SO I, I THINK WE SHOULD, I MEAN, I, I KNOW EVERYONE HAS MENTIONED THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON FA AND I TODAY, BUT I, I, I, I DON'T KNOW, I I THINK IT CERTAINLY IS, IS CONTINGENT UPON THIS DA APPROVAL, RIGHT? I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU'RE RECOMMENDING A, AN FAR OF 4.75 AND AND A HEIGHT OF 300, THEY'RE REQUESTING AN FAR OF 5, 7 5 AND THREE 30.
SHOULDN'T WE VOTE ON THAT TODAY ALSO WITH THIS DA? SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU GIVE US FEEDBACK ON THAT SO THAT WE CAN BRING FORWARD WHEN WE BRING THE SECOND READING OF THE DA AND THE LDR AND COMP PLAN THAT ALL OF THEM TIE BACK TOGETHER THE WAY YOU'RE SUGGESTING, WHICH MAKES SENSE.
UM, WHICH IS WHY WE TYPICALLY TRY TO HAVE THE READINGS OF THE LDR AMENDMENTS AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SIMULTANEOUS.
SO WHY ISN'T IT SIMULTANEOUS TODAY? UH, BECAUSE THE LDR AMENDMENTS MOVED FORWARD AHEAD OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS GETTING HEARD IN BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING OF THE LDR AMENDMENTS.
SO WOULD YOU ADVISE THAT WE WAIT TO VOTE ON THIS ON THE SECOND READING OF THE LDRS? SO, NO, BECAUSE THERE'S TWO READINGS OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO YOU ALREADY HAVE PASSED THE LDRS AND COMP PLAN ON FIRST READING.
THIS IS, OKAY, THIS IS JUST CATCHING UP.
SO LEMME ASK THE DEVELOPER, ARE YOU GONNA AGREE TO A 4.75 AND A A 300 FEET? NO, BUT I, I'D LIKE TO JUST DISPEL A COUPLE OF FALSE PREMISES THAT I HEARD, UM, A LITTLE BIT AND MAYBE ALL IN GOOD FAITH AND I'D LIKE TO GIVE THE ADMINISTRATION A LITTLE BIT MORE CREDIT FOR ITS NEGOTIATING PROWESS.
UM, SO FIRST THAT INITIAL RED LINE REFERRING TO A 1.5, ORIGINALLY WE WERE JUST CONTRIBUTING.
WE HAD MADE AN INITIAL OFFER, THIS IS GOING BACK, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE A DOZEN OR MORE TURNS AGO OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OF JUST CONTRIBUTING MONEY TOWARDS THE BAY WALK.
WE WEREN'T COMPLETING AND OWNING THE SCOPE AND AGREEING TO DO IT.
SINCE THEN, WE'VE GONE AWAY FROM JUST MAKING A CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THE BAY WALK AND THE ADMINISTRATION HAS NEGOTIATED FOR US TO JUST OWN THE SCOPE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO DO.
SO TO BE CLEAR, WE OWN THE SCOPE.
WE ARE GOING TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION AND DELIVER THE BAY WALK.
IF WE CAN'T DELIVER THE BAY WALK FOR SOME REASON, THEN WE'RE GONNA PAY WHAT IT COSTS THE CITY TO DO IT.
SO WE HAVE NO WAY OUT OF GETTING THE BAY WALK DONE, NOR DO WE WANT ONE BECAUSE WE'VE COMMITTED TO IT.
SO THAT 1.5 HAS NO CORRELATION TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
NOW, THAT IS LITERALLY A RED LINE FROM WHEN THIS PROCESS STARTED, UH, A LONG TIME AGO.
SO WE'VE COMMITTED TO DO THE SCOPE, WE'RE GONNA DO THE SCOPE.
UM, SECOND IS THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO BE SUBMITTING, UH, AN ECONOMIC ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE COMMISSIONED.
THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS IS SO, UM, FATALLY FLAWED ON ITS FACE BY JUST TAKING A, A VERY FAST READ OF IT.
IT IMPUTES ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND FEET THAT DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST ON ITS PLAIN READING.
THE ANALYST JUST MADE UP A HUNDRED THOUSAND NET SELLABLE FEET THAT DON'T EXIST, THAT AREN'T ON THE PLANS THAT THE ARCHITECT HAS CERTIFIED DON'T EXIST, WHICH CUTS THAT BENEFIT BY OVER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.
JUST BEFORE YOU START FACTORING IN ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE MISSING, SUCH AS THE COST OF THE PUBLIC BENEFITS, THE COST OF THE LAND, THE COST OF SALES, BROKERAGE COMMISSIONS, STAMP TAX, CLOSING COSTS, UM, THE ANALYSIS FRANKLY, IS JUST FLAWED.
SO IF YOU ADJUST IT ON ANY, UH, FAIR METRIC, UM, FOR WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY WORTH, THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN 30% OF THE ACTUAL VALUE THAT'S BEING ADDED BY THE EXTRA FAR AND HEIGHT.
I THINK THAT WHEN, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE A CHANCE TO READ THE REPORT, THAT IS MUCH MORE CAREFULLY DONE AND WITH A LOT MORE REASON AND USING ACTUAL COMPARABLES, USING ACTUAL FIGURES, ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGES, UH, YOU'LL COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION THAT THE PUBLIC BENEFITS PACKAGE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS MUCH MORE THAN TYPICALLY YOU WOULD SEE COMMENSURATE WITH THE TYPE OF FAR AND HEIGHT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
CAN WE JUST STICK ON THAT POINT IF WE CAN BEFORE
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WE CAN GET INTO A MILLION DIFFERENT DETAILS ABOUT FINANCING FEES AND BROKERAGE FEES.BUT WHEN I GOT THIS, UH, ECONOMIC ANALYSIS, WHICH SOMEHOW I SAW ON FACEBOOK BEFORE WAS EVEN DELIVERED TO ME, I CURIOUS ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT SEEMS VERY BLACK AND WHITE.
THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT I NOTICED.
I DIDN'T CALCULATE THE AMOUNT OF EXTRA SQUARE FEET THAT WAS PART OF THE FAR BONUS.
I GOT IT FROM WHAT THE DEVELOPER TOLD US.
UH, DURING THE FIRST DRAFT READING, I MADE MY OWN CALCULATION AND I SAW HOW MUCH EXTRA SQUARE FEET HE REPRESENTED HE WAS GETTING VERSUS WHAT WAS IN THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS THAT WAS, THAT THAT'S BLACK AND WHITE, RIGHT? AM I, AM I WRONG WITH THAT TOM OR MR. CITY MANAGER? THE AMOUNT OF BONUS SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT THIS WOULD BE GETTING.
AND THAT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE VERY EASY TO SORT OUT.
SO YES, YOU COULD ABSOLUTELY SORT IT OUT IF YOU WERE TO TIE THE DEVELOPER'S HANDS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF SALEABLE SQUARE FEET.
UM, WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT IN THIS CASE, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'D LIKE US TO DO, WE COULD CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN THAT.
YEAH, BECAUSE, UH, I I THINK THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS ESSENTIALLY ASCRIBES A VALUE OF, UH, SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS PER SQUARE FOOT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A SELLING THE SELLABLE IS $2,300 PER SQUARE FOOT MINUS, I THINK THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS WERE $1,200.
SO ABOUT 1100, UH, DOLLARS PER SQUARE FOOT OF A DELTA THERE ON AN EXTRA A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING $110 MILLION, RIGHT? SO THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY, PRETTY BIG BLACK AND WHITE DIFFERENCE.
AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, SELLABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE SHOULD BE $2,100 PER SQUARE FOOT VERSUS 23 WHERE THERE'S SOME AMBIGUITY.
THERE CAN'T BE AMBIGUITY HERE ABOUT HOW MUCH EXTRA SQUARE FEET THERE WERE.
GRANTED, I MEAN, THE, THE FAR EXISTS IN THE CODE.
THERE'S TERRACES, ELEVATORS, CORRIDORS.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE FAR CONTROLS.
BUT THE ANALYSIS, JUST IN READING THE LETTER, IT'S A VERY SHORT LETTER.
I MEAN, IT LITERALLY SAYS IN IT WITH REGARDS TO COMPARABLES, I CAN'T FIND COMPARABLES.
SO LET'S JUST SAY IT'S X AND ON THE FEET, IT REFERS TO THE ARCHITECT'S FEET AND JUST SAYS, LET'S JUST SAY IT HAS MORE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A SET OF PLANS THAT TIE AND THERE'S, UH, COMPARABLES.
I DON'T KNOW IF I GOT A ANSWER FOR THAT.
LIKE, WE'RE EITHER GIVING AN EXTRA A HUNDRED SOME MILLION DOLLARS IN PUBLIC BENEFIT OR WE'RE NOT.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW DEFINITIVELY THAT WE ARE OR WE AREN'T.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT WE'RE NOT TYING THE DEVELOPER'S HANDS INTO A MAXIMUM SELLABLE FAR.
AND SO IF YOU TAKE THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE FAR OF DIFFERENT HIS PROPOSAL VERSUS OUR RECOMMENDATION, THEN YOU HAVE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.
UM, AND ULTIMATELY THE SELLABLE IS GONNA BE A PERCENTAGE OF THAT.
AND TYPICALLY IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE IN THE 80% RANGE.
BUT I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT OUR RECOMMENDATION VERSUS THEIRS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HE'S SAYING HIS BONUS SQUARE FOOTAGE IS X AND THEN THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS IS SAYING HIS BONUS SQUARE FOOTAGE IS X TIMES TWO.
AM I OFF ON THAT? IT'S JUST AN FAR CALCULATION, RIGHT? IT, I MEAN, JUST MATH, IT JUST SEEMS PRETTY SIMPLE.
UM, IT'S JUST MATH AND, YOU KNOW, IT DOES SOMEWHAT CORRELATE TO THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH LOSS FACTOR CORRIDORS, TERRACES, ET CETERA.
BUT I MEAN, AT THE 5.75 FAR, YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF 481,310 SQUARE FEET OF FAR, OF WHICH THEY'RE SAYING THAT 4,001, SORRY, 401,863 ARE SELLABLE, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY THE 80%.
CAN YOU DO THAT NUMBER ONE MORE TIME PLEASE? 400 WHAT? SURE.
SO AT, AT WHAT? FAR AT A 5.75 FAR, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 481,310 SQUARE FEET OF TOTAL FAR ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS IS SAYING THAT THE BUILDING WILL HAVE A TOTAL SELLABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 401,863, WHICH IS ABOUT 80% OF THAT, WHICH IS, AND AND WHAT OF THAT IS A BONUS? SO WHAT IS AS OF RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT.
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AND THE DIFFERENTIAL IS 251,118.DO YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT? SELLABLE WHAT ERIC SAID, SELL SQUARE IS 1000.
THERE'S, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SELLABLE SHEET AND FAR AND WE DON'T REGULATE IN LAND USE SELLABLE SHEET, WE REGULATE FLOOR AREA RATIO, AND THAT HAS TO FACTOR IN LOBBY AMENITIES.
TERRACES, UM, ARE FAR IN CITY OF MIAMI BEACH IN, IF THEY'RE ENCLOSED BY MORE THAN TWO SIDES, WHICH IS A TYPICAL CONDITION.
SO SOME PORTION OF THE TERRACES WILL BE CHARGED FAR THAT'S NOT SELLABLE CORRIDORS, WHICH IS THE 15%, WHICH IS STAIRCASES, WHICH IS THE 15%.
SO TYPICALLY ON A VERY EFFICIENT FLOOR, YOU'LL BE 20% EFFICIENT ON THE RESIDENTIAL FLOOR, BUT THAT DOESN'T FACTOR IN YOUR AMENITY FLOOR, YOUR LOBBY FLOOR, AND ANY TERRACES.
SO LET'S SAY TERRACES ARE IN THAT 20% AND YOU HAVE A SUPER EFFICIENT FLOOR PLATE ON THE RESIDENTIAL PLATES, YOU HAVE TO FACTOR IN THE LOBBY, WHICH IS ALL LOSS.
THE AMENITY SPACES, WHICH AREN'T SELLABLE, THAT'S ALL LOSS.
IT'S NOT SO SIMPLE AS TO DRAW A STRAIGHT LINE TO TAKE YOUR
I'M NOT, NOT SO SURE ABOUT THAT.
WHEN, WHEN I, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WHEN YOU DO, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO CALCULATE THE SELLABLE AREA, THAT 20% DOES TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE LOBBIES AND THE, UM, AND, AND ANY NON, LITERALLY ANY NONS SELLABLE FLOOR.
UM, SO AGAIN, YOU YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT 20% IS ONLY JUST FOR THE LOBBY AREA, LIKE THE WALKWAYS, THE 20% IS TYPICALLY ON A, ON A RESIDENTIAL FLOOR PLATE, YOU HAVE TWO STAIRCASES, ELEVATOR SHAFTS, CORRIDORS, WHATEVER TERRACES ARE CHARGED AS FAR AND WHATEVER'S LEFT IS YOUR NET RENTABLE OR NET SELLABLE FEE.
BUT THE LOSS FACTOR ON, IN A, ON A BUILDING IN FLORIDA, TYPICALLY OVERALL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT LIKE CONSTRUCTION GROSS FIRST CONSTRUCTION NET RUNS CLOSER TO 40% THAN 20%.
SO DO YOU, OKAY, ERIC, YOU, YOU'RE A CITY MANAGER.
TELL US WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE THAT YOU TAKE OFF FROM THE TOTAL FARI WOULD SAY, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TOM, CAN, CAN OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR COME UP PLEASE ALSO SURE.
WE'VE, TOM, WHAT'S IN THE BAG? WE'VE LEFT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE.
I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT HAVE, I I WOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE TELLING YOU DEFINITIVELY THAT IT'S X NUMBER OF PERCENT.
I USE 80% AS A RULE OF THUMB, BUT THAT IS NOT SET IN STONE.
IS THAT, IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? YEAH, YEAH.
MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, LOOKING AT THIS OVER THE YEARS IS THAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO IDENTIFY WHAT WOULD BE SELLABLE IN A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, THAT A VERY EFFICIENT BUILDING IS TYPICALLY 15%.
SOME PEOPLE, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, HAVE TOLD ME THAT THEY COULD DO IT AT 10%.
BUT THAT, THAT DOES INCLUDE ALL OF THE NON INDIVIDUAL UNIT AREAS, WHICH WOULD BE THE LOBBY, WHICH WOULD BE ANY AMENITY AREAS.
AND THE BUILDING BECOMES MORE EFFICIENT WHEN YOU HAVE LESS OF THAT AND YOU PUT MORE OF THAT FLOOR AREA INTO THE ACTUAL UNIT AND THAT PERCENTAGE GOES DOWN.
NOW, IN TERMS OF TERRACES, UM, OUR CODE EXEMPTS EXTERIOR PROJECTING BALCONIES, WHAT WOULD COUNT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A RECESSED BALCONY OR, UH, AN OUTDOOR AREA THAT FUNCTION AS MORE INDOOR OUTDOOR AREA.
BUT A TRUE PROJECTING BALCONY, UM, WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM THE FAR CALCULATIONS.
COMMISSIONER B, UM, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY SELLABLE AREA, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS YOU COULDN'T COMMAND THE PRICES THAT YOU WOULD BE COMMANDING FOR THESE UNITS WITHOUT THE AMENITY FLOOR AND A STUNNING, UH, LOBBY AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS.
SO IT'S NOT SELLABLE AS PART OF EACH UNIT, BUT IT IS BAKED INTO THE PRICE OF THE UNIT.
SO I KNOW THAT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE THINGS, BUT IT, IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT'S A TOTAL LOSS, RIGHT? THAT'S PART OF THE, THE VALUE THAT YOU ARE OFFERING THE BUYER, AND THEREFORE YOU ARE ABLE TO GET FROM THAT BUYER A MUCH HIGHER PRICE THAN YOU WOULD IF YOU HAD A REALLY GREAT LOOKING APARTMENT, BUT THE LOBBY LOOKED LIKE, YOU KNOW, AN OLD LOCKER ROOM.
WHAT I CAN'T QUITE RECONCILE MYSELF TO IS THAT THE CITY IS RECOMMENDING 300 FEET HEIGHT, AND YET WE'RE SUPPOSED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THIS BENEFITS PACKAGE, WHICH IS PREDICATED ON THE HEIGHT THAT YOU WANT.
AND TECHNICALLY WE ARE ABLE TO SAY AT THE END OF THE MONTH, AT OUR NEXT COMMISSION MEETING,
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UM, WHILE WE APPROVE THIS, THIS BENEFITS PACKAGE, BUT WE'RE ONLY GONNA APPROVE THIS 300, UH, FOOT HEIGHT.LIKE THAT IS AN OPTION THAT WE HAVE.
ULTIMATELY THE DA AND THE LDRS HAVE TO TIE UP AT THE END OF THE DAY, BUT YOU CAN INDIVIDUALLY VOTE ON THE LDRS AND THE DA, THE DA IS THE PUBLIC BENEFIT PACKAGE.
THE LDRS ARE, BUT, BUT YOU JUST SAID YOU WOULDN'T ACCEPT 300 FEET HEIGHT.
SO IT, SO WE'RE, SO WE'RE EFFECTIVELY THEN, UM, IF WE APPROVE THIS DA TODAY, WE'RE EFFECTIVELY TACITLY APPROVING WHAT WE WILL VOTE ON AT THE END OF THE MONTH AT A HIGHER HEIGHT.
AND WHILE THE, THE PUBLIC WILL BENEFIT FROM, UM, A FINISHED BAY WALK AND WILL BENEFIT FROM THE REMOVAL OF THE BIKINI HOSTEL, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT IS ALSO A, A VERY SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU AGAIN, WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COMMAND THE SAME PRICE POINT IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A FINISHED BAY WALK, AND CERTAINLY NOT IF YOU HAD AN ACTIVE, YOU KNOW, HOMELESS SHELTER OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT IN FRONT OF, LITERALLY IN FRONT OF YOUR BUILDING.
AND SO IT'S, IT FEELS TO ME, AND I CAN'T QUITE WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS, IT FEELS TO ME LIKE WE'RE GIVING YOU THE HEIGHT THAT YOU WANT FOR THE BENEFITS THAT ARE LOWER THAN WHAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING.
BECAUSE THE BENEFITS ARE, ARE, YES, THE PUBLIC WILL BENEFIT, BUT THEY ARE NECESSARY FOR YOU TO BUILD THIS PROJECT.
LIKE IF, IF THERE WAS, HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, IF THERE IS NO WAY TO EXTINGUISH THE BIKINI HOSTEL IN ITS CURRENT USE OR EVEN IN, IN ITS FORMER USE, WHEREAS JUST A PAIN IN THE ASS NEIGHBOR, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO COMMAND THESE PRICE POINTS FOR THIS KIND OF SUPER LUXURY BUILDING? UH, THE ANSWER IS RESALES AT MONAD HAVE STILL PERFORMED WELL, AND WE AGREE THAT IT'S A WE'RE GONNA BENEFIT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE AGREEING TO DO IT.
FRANKLY, WE'RE PAYING FOR IT, RIGHT? WE'RE AT GREAT EXPENSE TO OURSELVES.
TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WE'RE EXTINGUISHING THE NUISANCE USE, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE BENEFIT, YOU'RE BENEFITING FROM IT.
YOUR RESALE VALUES WILL ONLY GO UP IN MONAD TERRACE WHEN THIS IS GONE.
AND IT WOULD BE HARD TO, TO SELL A NEW DEVELOPMENT WITH A HOMELESS SHELTER ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT.
AND SO I, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S NOT LINING UP.
LIKE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR AGREEING TO SOMETHING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T THINK IS THE RIGHT HEIGHT IN FAR AND THAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE FEELING AREN'T THE RIGHT, ISN'T THE RIGHT BENEFIT PACKAGE.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE AGREE TO THIS TODAY, WE ARE, UM, TYING OUR HANDS BECAUSE WE WON'T BE ABLE TO, I MEAN, WE CAN SEPARATE THEM, BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU WON'T ACCEPT THAT.
AND SO THEN WE'RE, WE'VE GOT NOTHING AT THE NEXT READING.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RECONCILE THIS.
I THINK YOU, THIS DOESN'T REALLY WORK FOR ME.
THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT I JUST BROUGHT UP.
I, I COMM COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ AND COMMISSIONER SUAREZ.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER JUST NEEDS TO LISTEN TO THE ROOM AND SEE THAT IF THERE IS A PATH FORWARD, IT IS A PATH FORWARD WHERE THEY CAN STILL COMPLETE SOMETHING WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT THE CITY ADMINISTRATION IS WILLING TO PLACE A FAVORABLE, A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION ON.
UH, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE DAY IS ULTIMATELY I'M HEARING FROM ELISE, TWO OF MY COLLEAGUES, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, COME JUNE 25TH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A SIXTH, SEVENTH VOTE TO MOVE FORWARD UNLESS, UNLESS THE HEIGHT, AT LEAST THE HEIGHT IS WITHIN THAT RANGE THAT IS ABLE TO GET THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY MANAGER.
AND I THINK, I THINK THE DEVELOPER NEEDS TO BE VERY AWARE OF, OF, OF WHAT IS BEING SET HERE.
UH, BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, UM, YOU KNOW, IS IS ARE YOU REALLY NOT WILLING TO GO TO THAT 300 FEET BECAUSE THERE MIGHT NOT BE THEN A CONVERSATION TO BE HAD ON JUNE 25TH IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SIXTH, SEVENTH VOTE AND I'M HEARING FROM AT LEAST TWO OF MY COLLEAGUES THAT, THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT TOO, THOUGH.
I'LL JUST SAY THAT WE'RE HERE FOR, UM, FIRST READ OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THERE'LL BE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND SECOND READ, UM, WHETHER IT'S WITH REGARDS TO THE EXACT STRUCTURE OF THE PUBLIC BENEFITS PACKAGE OR SOME ITEMS IN THE LAND USE.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LINING UP THE
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DA AND THE LAND USE TO DISCUSS THEM IN PARALLEL.THIS JUST MOVES IT ALONG SO WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, MICHAEL, YOU KNOW, I NEED TO GO BASED ON, ON THE REPORT.
I KNOW YOU SENT THE, A COUNTER REPORT, BUT LOOK, UH, YOU KNOW, ANDY KART, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT HIS RESUME, HARVARD COLLEGE, HARVARD BUSINESS SCHOOL WAS IN THE US NAVY, A COMMISSIONED OFFICER, UM, HAS 50 YEARS OF, OF EXPERIENCE IN CONSULTING TO DEVELOPERS, INVESTORS, AND GOVERNMENT ENTITIES, AND IS ONE OF THE LEADING EXPERTS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA WITH RESPECT TO THE ECONOMICS COMMUNITY.
SO I HAVE TO TAKE HIS, HIS WORD FOR IT, THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GETTING AND LOOK MORE GREAT, MORE POWER TO YOU, RIGHT? I'M, I'M A CAPITALIST, I WANT YOU TO MAKE MONEY.
UM, BUT, BUT YOU'RE ASKING US TO, TO CHANGE OUR ZONING CODE SPECIFIC TO THIS SITE, AND, AND IN, IN RETURN YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA OFFER.
UM, AND IN, IN A BUSINESS SETTING, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT THE THE BENEFITS ARE, ARE HERE FOR US.
I, I DON'T, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS A FAIR DEAL.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA APPROVE THIS, I'LL WAIT TILL YOU'RE DONE.
YEAH, I'LL SAY THAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE FOR ANDY TO BE HERE TO DEFEND HIS REPORT, WHICH IS, UM, AS I SAID, VERY OBVIOUSLY ON ITS FACE FLAWED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY INITIALLY REACHED OUT TO ANOTHER CONSULTANT WHO VEHEMENTLY DISAGREED WITH THE ANALYSIS, UM, THAT MR. KART DID.
UM, I THINK THAT IF YOU JUST SPEND FIVE MINUTES, YEAH, BUT I ASKED, I ASKED MEETING THE REPORT, I ASKED, UH, ERIC, I ASKED THE CITY MANAGER, BALLPARK, ARE WE IN THE BALLPARK? HE SAID, WE'RE IN THE BALLPARK.
25 30, WHAT ARE WE IN THE BALLPARK WITH ERIC? UH, I'M GOING TO LET OUR ECONOMIC ANALYST DEFEND HIS WORK.
I THINK THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WITHIN SHOOTING DISTANCE.
I, THE NUMBERS I USED BEFORE WAS 25, 30%.
OKAY? SO I, I HAVE PLUS OR MINUS, OKAY, SAY 25, 30% OF A NUMBER THAT IS, UM, JUST FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG BY AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF TWO OR THREE.
I APPRECIATE THE CITY MANAGERS, UM, SAYING 20 30% OF WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, IS THE RANGE.
THE ISSUE IS 20 30% OF WHAT THE NUMBERS SO FLAWED AND THE ANALYSIS USED THAT IGNORES THE COST OF THE PUBLIC BENEFITS, THE LAND, THE REALITY OF THE ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE USED, THE COST OF SALE, THE COST OF STAMP TAX, ON AND ON AND ON.
UM, ISN'T A, ISN'T A SOMETHING TO BASE.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT I RESPECT YOU A LOT IN YOUR HOW DETAILED AND DILIGENT YOU ARE.
YOU WOULD NEVER TURN OUT, REPORT A REPORT OF THIS QUALITY AND YOU DON'T NEED TO GO TO HARVARD TO DO THAT RESPECTFULLY.
TAKE FIVE MINUTES TO READ IT, YOU'LL SEE IT FOR YOURSELF.
SO THE QUESTION IS, IS IT 20 OR 30% OF WHAT NUMBER? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH COSTS? TWO, I'M ASSUMING OF TWO 70, I'M ASSUMING, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ERIC, OF $270 MILLION.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE REPORT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US BY MR. KART.
THAT WAS SO WHEN YOU MEAN 20, WHEN YOU MEAN IN THE BALLPARK WE'RE BETWEEN 25 AND 30%, GIVE OR TAKE OF THE 272, CORRECT.
AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES WITH UNDERSTANDING HOW HE CAME TO THAT NUMBER, BUT I THINK THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S HIS RECOMMENDATION AND HE'S THE EXPERT.
SO WHEN YOU TELL ME, GIVE OR TAKE 25%, IS IT 25% OF $272 MILLION? YES.
SO LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE LOW END OF THAT.
AND I THINK I DID THIS NUMBER BEFORE 2 72 TIMES 0.25.
SO OKAY, WE'RE AT 200 AND 200,000,200 TIMES.
YOUR RULE OF THUMB OF 30% PUBLIC BENEFIT IS $60 MILLION.
SO EVEN IF WE GO ON THE LOW END OF THIS, WE'RE ASSUMING THAT IT'S THIS IS 30% LESS OR UM,
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25% LESS.AND THEN WE TAKE 30% OF THAT VALUE.
AND SO WE'RE STILL CUTTING OURSELVES SHORT.
COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, COULD I SPEAK FOR A MINUTE? UH, YOU HAVE TO ASK THE MAYOR, DID YOU WANT AN ANSWER FROM ERIC? YEAH, LET ME, LEMME GET AN ANSWER FROM ERIC FIRST.
SO AGAIN, IT'S DEPENDING ON WHAT THE FAR NUMBER IS.
THIS NUMBER, THIS ECONOMIC ANALYSIS WAS DONE WITH IT AT 5.75 FAR NUMBER.
UM, AND ULTIMATELY I WOULD JUST CAUTION THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT A A, AN EXACT SCIENCE.
THERE'S SOME WIGGLE ROOM, WHICH IS WHY I KEEP REITERATING 20 TO 30%.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT, I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'S NOT A SPECIFIC NUMBER.
THIS IS A SPECIFIC CASE AND WE'RE ASKING FOR A SPECIFIC NUMBER.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A SPECIFIC CASE.
AND UM, WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS WITHIN THE REALM OF REASONABLE, WHICH IS WHAT NUMBER, THE 30% OF THE 200 MILLION IS 60 MILLION IN PUBLIC BENEFIT, WHICH IS THE UPPER BOUND OF THE 20 TO 30% THAT I TALKED ABOUT.
SO THAT BEING SAID, DO YOU STILL THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD DEAL? IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT DEVELOPER IS GONNA BE STEADFAST AND A 300 FOOT OR THREE 30 AND I DON'T THINK HE'S GONNA BE GOING DOWN ON THE FAR AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MICHAEL.
SO DOES YOUR OPINION CHANGE? SO MY OPINION ALWAYS CHANGES BASED ON THE SPECIFICS OF THE TOTAL PACKAGE.
AND IF THE TOTAL PACKAGE IS MORE FAR AND MORE HEIGHT, THEN THERE'S MORE VALUE.
SO YOU JUST HEARD THE DEVELOPER SAYING HE'S, HE HAS TO STICK WITH THE 5, 7 5 AND THE THREE 30.
SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE VALUES THAT WE KNOW NOW.
VARIABLES THAT WE KNOW NOW ARE, ARE TRUE GIVEN THAT'S THE FACT DOES IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE CUTTING OURSELVES SHORT.
I WOULD OFFER 15, BUT YES, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SOMEWHERE IN THE BALLPARK.
SO I'LL JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT ON THE, IF I CAN, MASON.
YEAH, BEFORE YOU DO, BEFORE MR. STERN MENTIONED ABOUT ANOTHER CONSULTANT.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT'S REFERRING TO? I, I'M NOT AWARE OF WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, SO IT'S DO YOU WANNA INCORPORATE THAT? SURE.
UM, IT'S COME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THE CITY REACHED OUT INITIALLY TO LAMBERT TO BE THE CONSULTANT AND, UM,
ONE THAT RELIED ON COMPARABLES, WHICH IS THE CORRECT WAY TO DO IT, TO LOOK AT ACTUAL COMPS INSTEAD OF MAKING THEM UP.
AND ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS THAT THE CITY'S CONSULTANT DID, HE LITERALLY SAYS IN HIS LETTER THAT HE'S MAKING UP THE COMPS, HE SAYS, THE COMPS SHOW ROUGHLY 2000, BUT LET'S JUST SAY 2,400 LITERALLY FROM THE REPORT VERBATIM.
UM, MAKING UP COMPS DOESN'T LEAD TO A NUMBER THAT'S RELIABLE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT A NUMBER AND YOU SAY THE COMP SUPPORT X, BUT LET'S JUST MAKE UP Y JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IT WITH NO JUSTIFICATION.
HOW RELIABLE IS THAT REPORT? AND WHEN YOU TAKE FAR FROM A, A SET OF ARCHITECTS PLANS, A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL, AND YOU JUST MAKE UP A DIFFERENT NUMBER WITH NO EXPLANATION OR METHODOLOGY, NO REFERENCE TO ANY SPECIFIC COMPS, HOW RELIABLE IS THAT REPORT? AND THE CITY INITIALLY REACHED OUT TO ANOTHER CONSULTANT WHO PROPOSED TO DO A MUCH MORE DETAILED REASONED REPORT BASED ON ACTUAL APPRAISED COMPS.
AND THE CITY INSTEAD WENT WITH THIS CONSULTANT WHO MADE UP THE DATA.
THAT IS MY ISSUE WITH THE REPORT.
AND IT'S IN THE REPORT ITSELF.
HE ADMITS HE MAKES UP THE COMPS, MAKES UP WHOLE CLOTH.
I GOTTA OBVIOUSLY GIVE ERIC A CHANCE TO RESPOND.
TOM, CAN YOU COME FORWARD AND PLEASE CORRECT THE RECORD FIRST I'M HEARING OF ANY OF ANY OF THAT? YEAH, IF THE, IF THE COMMISSION MAY RECALL WHEN WE WERE REQUESTED TO DO, UM, THE ECONOMIC STUDY, WE HAD A VERY QUICK TURNAROUND TIME.
AND SO LITERALLY THE NEXT DAY WE WERE REACHING OUT THROUGH OUR PROCUREMENT OFFICE TO FIRMS THAT SPECIALIZE IN THIS.
ANDY WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD MEET THE TURNAROUND TIME.
UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANDY WAS MAKING THINGS UP, PULLING THINGS OUT OF THIN AIR.
I AGREE THAT, UH, HE SHOULD ADDRESS THESE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BUT I BELIEVE THAT HIS DATA CAME FROM, UH, WHAT HAD BEEN RECORDED, UH, UNDER THE PUBLIC RECORDS.
AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT HE WAS JUST PULLING THINGS OUT OF THIN AIR OR MAKING
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THINGS UP.WAIT, DID, UH, JUST WANNA ADD ONE POINT? JUST OH, AND, AND RAFFI WANTED TO SPEAK, SO, BUT ALRIGHT.
I WANNA SAY IS TOM, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE, UH, AND UM, TO PUT, TO PREPARE THE REPORT, WOULD YOU SAY? ROUGHLY BETWEEN, UH, SEVEN TO 10 DAYS? RIGHT.
SO SINCE THAT TIME, THE DEVELOPER HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT TOGETHER A, UH, A REPORT, BUT YET THEY HAVEN'T.
AND THEY'RE SITTING HERE SHOOTING FROM THE HIP TELLING US ABOUT THEIR EXPERTISE AND WHAT THEY THINK AND WHAT OTHER EXPERTS WOULD'VE SAID AND, AND SHOULD HAVE SAID.
BUT YET WE DON'T HAVE A REPORT HERE TODAY.
'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM.
HOW MANY OF YOU ARE HERE? OUT OF CURIOSITY, IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT? RAISE YOUR HAND.
HOW MANY OF YOU ARE HERE OPPOSING THE PROJECT? OKAY, THAT'S FINE.
UM, SO I'VE BEEN IN MIAMI BEACH SINCE 2015 AND I WISH THAT ON SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE CAME BEFORE US, UM, LIKE FIVE PARK THAT WE WOULD'VE NEGOTIATED LIKE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE.
WE GOT A PARK, THE COST OF THE PARK, WHAT WAS IT? WHAT WAS THE COST OF THE PARK? IT WAS ABOUT $80 MILLION IN LAND VALUE.
WE GOT LIKE $8 MILLION PLUS THEY BUILT A PARK.
THAT LAND VALUE WAS 80 MILLION? THAT'S CORRECT.
WELL, I, THAT'S SUBJECTIVE 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT EVEN WATERFRONT
AND THEN AN OCEAN TERRACE, WE GOT A PARK AND WHAT DID THEY GIVE US? UM, SINCE THE PARK WAS ON OUR LAND, IT WAS REALLY THE $15 MILLION IN CONSTRUCTION COST.
OCEAN TERRACE GOT THE ENTIRE THING FOR A PARK FOR 15 MILLION.
SO WE'VE COME A LONG WAY AND I'M REALLY GLAD THAT WE'RE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS RIGHT NOW.
SO I WANNA THANK COMMISSIONER SUAREZ FOR GETTING THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS, FOR LOOKING AT IT FROM THIS FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, WHICH MAKES, UM, I KNOW OUR ZONING ATTORNEYS, UH, VERY NERVOUS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS ZONING.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC AND WHAT'S NOT.
NOW THIS IS SUCH AN ODD, COMPLICATED SITUATION BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS HOMELESS SHELTER, OKAY, THAT HAS, HOW MANY HOMELESS ARE AT THE BIKINI HOSPITAL RIGHT NOW? OVER A HUNDRED.
HOW DO YOU KNOW? OVER OVER A HUNDRED.
AND BY THE WAY, IT WAS VERY EMOTIONAL BECAUSE WE WERE ALL THERE THE NIGHT THAT IT HAPPENED AND IT WAS FEELING REALLY AWFUL.
I I WAS THERE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE, UM, COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ AND THERE, AND COMMISSIONER SU SUAREZ.
AND THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WE COULD DO ABOUT IT.
AND WE EXPLORED EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD DO SPEAKING TO THE HOMELESS.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO ANYTHING.
AND, UH, I SEE MR. FEIG IN THE AUDIENCE WHO SENDS ME MESSAGES EVERY SINGLE DAY AD NAUSEA OF DIFFERENT HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT HE SEES DEFECATING, UM, NEAR THE SUPERMARKET THAT HE OWNS DIFFERENT, UM, HORRIBLE BEHAVIORS.
A HOMELESS PERSON EVEN CAME TO HIS HOUSE.
I'LL LET HIM TELL THAT WONDERFUL STORY OF GETTING YOUR SOFAS SOILED.
BUT I KNOW THAT YOU'RE TRAUMATIZED BY IT.
HE'S TRAUMATIZED AND HE HAS LET ME KNOW MANY TIMES.
OKAY? AND SO YOU HAVE, SO WE'VE GOT THIS PRESSURE.
I HAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE HOMELESS SHELTER.
THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS BUILDING, LET'S JUST PUT THIS INTO PERSPECTIVE HERE.
I HAVEN'T BEEN INTO 1250 AND SOMEBODY DID SAY TO ME, YOU NEED TO GO AND SEE THE APARTMENTS.
BUT I, I'VE HEARD THAT IT'S IN SUCH HORRIFIC SHAPE THAT THE, IT WASN'T BUILT TO BE AN APARTMENT BUILDING, WAS IT HEALTHCARE FACILITY.
IT WAS BUILT TO BE A HEALTHCARE FACILITY.
SO YOU HAVE THESE TINY UNITS, WHICH SOME OF US COULD SAY SERVE AS WORKFORCE HOUSING.
BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THESE UNITS IS THAT THE BUILDING HAS SO MUCH MOLD THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE, AND THIS IS WHAT SOMEBODY WHO LIVES IN THE BUILDING TOLD ME AND WHO HAD ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT TO SELL TO MR. STERN AND THE OWNERS IN THE BUILDING APPROACHED HIM TO SELL IT.
SO, I MEAN, WE DID NOT INVENT THIS ON OUR OWN.
WE DIDN'T SAY COME AND GIVE US A DEVELOPMENT.
UM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO DEHUMIDIFIERS GOING AT ALL TIMES.
AND IF YOU TURN THE DEHUMIDIFIERS OFF, THE APARTMENT TURNS LIKE BLACK WITH MOLD EXTREMELY QUICKLY.
I KNOW HOW THIS CAN BE BECAUSE I ACTUALLY GREW UP IN A CONDO THAT WAS BUILT IN IN 1970
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IN SOUTH FLORIDA, AND WE HAD TO HAVE DEHUMIDIFIERS RUNNING BACK THEN.SO THIS ORIGINAL BUILDING WAS BUILT, WHEN DO WE KNOW? FIFTIES? 67.
EXACTLY THE SAME TYPE OF STRUCTURE THAT I HAVE.
AND THOSE ARE LIKE AC COOLER UNITS ON THE, I MEAN LIKE THIS BUILDING IS IN TROUBLE.
THEY CANNOT, UM, AFFORD THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS OR TO FIX IT.
SO WHAT? WELL, I THINK IT'S A PROBLEM.
SO WHAT, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HELP THE OWNERS OF THE BUILDING WHO ARE PRETTY, I'M JUST TRYING TO FRAME THE WHOLE THING.
OH NO, I'M NOT SAYING YOU AND I WANNA BE, I WANNA DO WHAT'S RIGHT AND FAIR AND MAKE EVERYBODY HEARD, BUT I'VE LISTENED TO EVERYTHING HERE THAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID.
SO YOU HAVE A BUILDING THAT'S IN TROUBLE, OKAY? AND THEY NEED A SOLUTION.
YOU HAVE, UM, THE BIKINI HOSPITAL, WHICH IS ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE ARE NOW FACING.
THE ONLY ISSUE THAT I SEE IS THE FACT THAT COMMISSIONER SUAREZ SAYS A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY.
THE ADMINISTRATION SAYS A LITTLE BIT LESS HEIGHT, BUT WHAT IF WE JUST EXCHANGED THAT? YOU DON'T GIVE US ANY MORE MONEY, BUT YOU JUST LOWER TO 300 FEET.
AND THEN I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY UP HERE WOULD BE HAPPY BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING A REDUCTION IN THE HEIGHT AND WE'RE NOT HAVING TO, AND, AND THAT WAY, WHATEVER THE CALCULATION IS, I WHAT DO, OKAY, THE 30 FEET IN HEIGHT, WHAT IS THAT WORTH FINANCIALLY ACCORDING TO THESE CALCULATIONS? I DON'T KNOW.
CAN SOMEONE DO THAT CALCULATION? I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE MAYBE THAT'S THE COMPROMISE THAT ALL OF US UP HERE NEED.
BECAUSE SO FAR, I MEAN LIKE HE SEEMS UNHAPPY AND COMMISSIONER MINOR WANTS TO SEE THE AGREEMENT.
UM, WITH THE BIKINI HOSTILE, UH, COMMISSIONER BOT WANTS LOWER HEIGHT, COMMISSIONER SUAREZ WANTS MORE MONEY.
SO WE HAVE TO GET TO SOME PLACE WHERE EVERYBODY AGREES.
NOW IN THE CONTEXT OF ALL OF THIS, AND I'M ALMOST FINISHED, WHAT I WOULD SAY
NOW THAT'S WHAT'S LEANING, THAT'S WHAT'S LOOMING OVER US.
WE USED TO HAVE THIS REFERENDUM OPTION, RIGHT? WHERE MR. STERN, WE WOULD'VE HAD A CAMPAIGN AND YOU WOULD'VE HAD TO GO OUT TO THE ELECTORATE AND SPEAK TO THE ENTIRE MIAMI BEACH ABOUT THIS ONE PART AND DEFEND IT.
AND SOMETIMES WE GOT, YOU KNOW, BETTER PROJECTS BECAUSE OF IT.
SOMETIMES THE PROJECTS FAILED, IT SCARED A LOT OF PEOPLE OFF.
RIGHT NOW IT RESTS WITH EACH ONE OF US, WHICH IS VERY STRESSFUL, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE ARE MAKING DECISION ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE ELECTORATE AND THE LIVE LOCAL THINGS SCARES ME.
I'M AFRAID THAT AFTER SEEING THESE TYPES OF NEGOTIATION, THAT NOBODY'S GONNA WANT TO COME TO US AND WE'RE GONNA GET THESE APPLICATIONS.
BY THE WAY, WE HAVE SEVERAL APPLICATIONS.
AND IS NICK IN HERE? BECAUSE I WANTED TO ASK NICK A FEW QUESTIONS.
WHAT WE WOULD BE FACING, AND THIS IS WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE COMING BEFORE US RIGHT NOW AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR THIS FAR INCREASE AND THIS HEIGHT INCREASE.
BUT IF YOU BUILT LIVE LOCAL, WHAT? IT'S DON'T.
THAT'S WHAT I DON'T THINK WEST AVENUE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I GOT THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT I JUST TRYING TO FRAME THIS, BUT I DON'T THINK WEST AVENUE IS SO FOR OKAY, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO, IT'S NOT, I, SO MY, MY WHOLE POINT IS, IS THAT HERE WE ARE AND COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, IF, IF, IF, IF WE DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH PEOPLE, ARE WE GOING TO GET SOMETHING SHOVED DOWN OUR THROAT AND THEN GUESS WHAT? COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, WE'RE NOT SELLING FAR, WE'RE GIVING IT AWAY.
AND THIS IS A VERY, VERY, UH, DANGEROUS PLACE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, I'VE WATCHED US LANGUISH AND BEEN INCAPABLE OF COMPLETING THE BAY WALK.
OKAY? UM, I HAVE WATCHED EVERYBODY SUFFER BEFORE THE BIKINI HOSPITAL.
I KNOW THAT GAIL, YOU WERE PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT COMPLAINERS ABOUT THE BIKINI HOSTEL AND WNA.
AND THEN I ALSO SEE TIM AND TOM, NOBODY LIKES THE BIKINI HOSTEL.
SO YOU GUYS WANT LESS HEIGHT, RIGHT? LESS HEIGHT.
YOU WANT MORE MONEY? WHY DON'T WE JUST MEET IN THE MIDDLE? NOBODY'S PARTICULARLY HAPPY WITH THIS TYPE OF COMPROMISE.
BUT I HAVE TO SAY, GIVEN THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE YET, WE'RE IN, AND I WOULD STILL LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE REPRESENT THE PUBLIC.
I MEAN, MAYBE THAT'S THE SOLUTION.
AND YOU'VE SAID I'M NOT DOING THREE 30, BUT I WILL TELL YOU HERE, WHEN I FIRST, WHEN MR. STERN FIRST APPROACHED ME ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WE SAT DOWN AT ROSETTA OFF OF LINCOLN ROAD AND HE LOOKED AT ME AND HE SAID, I'M GONNA BUILD 450 FEET.
SO THE FACT, AND HE SAID, I'M NOT COMING DOWN.
AND SO MY ASS TO HIM WAS, WELL THEN CAN I JUST
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BE LIKE A QUIET NO, THAT'S WHAT I SAID.I'M NOT GONNA OPINE, I'M JUST GONNA VOTE.
BUT I'VE WATCHED HIM MOVE A LOT THAT SAID, I WANT EVERYBODY TO BE HAPPY AND I WANT EVERY VOICE TO BE HEARD.
SO COULD WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN POSSIBLY GET TO A PLACE WHERE ALL OF US, UM, YEAH, AS I SAID BEFORE, COULD FEEL GOOD ABOUT THIS.
BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE THESE PRESSING ISSUES.
BY THE WAY, I'M UPSET THAT THE BIKINI HOSTEL ISN'T GONNA BE CLOSED UNTIL SEPTEMBER.
I WANT THE BIKINI HOSTEL CLOSED TOMORROW.
I DON'T KNOW WHY, WHY IS THIS PROCESS FOR THE, MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE WHY IS IT GONNA TAKE SO LONG TO CLOSE ON THE BIKINI HOSTEL? WHY, WHY MONTHS? SO WE'RE, WE'RE HERE NOW IN JUNE.
AND IT WILL CLOSE BY SEPTEMBER.
UM, THEY HAVE TO MOVE THE POPULATION SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THEY'RE MOVING THEM TO ANOTHER FACILITY IN THE CITY OF MIAMI.
AND I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST SAY ALSO JUST ON THE, YOU MENTIONED LIVE LOCAL.
I'M JUST GONNA COMMENT ON IT REALLY BRIEFLY.
I MEAN, LIVE LOCAL GOT THE LEGS THAT IT GOT.
'CAUSE THE STATE FEELS THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET HOUSING CREATED IN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.
I THINK THAT THERE ARE STATE OVERRIDES THAT DO APPLY, INCLUDING TO THE RM THREE AND THE WEST AVENUE CARTER.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE DISAGREEMENT AMONGST THE CITY'S ATTORNEYS.
WHETHER LIVE LOCAL HERE APPLIES OR NOT.
WE HAVE THE THREE BIGGEST LAND USE FIRMS IN THE, IN THE STATE AGREE WITH US THAT IT DOES APPLY.
AND AS A POLICY, AS A GOOD LAND USE POLICY, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THE OPPOSITE OF LIVE LOCAL, WHICH IS LISTEN TO COMMUNITY INPUT COME BEFORE YOUR BODY, NEGOTIATE, LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY, MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.
LIVE LOCAL IS THE OPPOSITE OF THIS PROCESS.
THAT HAS BEEN A VERY DIFFICULT GAUNTLET FOR US AS DEVELOPERS TO RUN THROUGH AND TRY TO FIND COMPROMISE WHERE WE STILL PENCIL WHERE OF COURSE THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE PEOPLE WHO ARE UPSET ABOUT HEIGHT OR THIS OR THAT.
BUT THE ALTERNATIVE, IF WE CAN'T COLLECTIVELY COME TOGETHER AS DEVELOPERS, AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND AS A COMMUNITY TO REASONABLE COMPROMISES ON LAND USE, EVERYTHING WILL BECOME 6.34 FAR AND 519 FEET TALL OR 300 FEET TALL ALL OVER THE CORRIDOR.
AND THEY KNOW THAT THE CITY HAS ITS POSITION ON WHETHER OR NOT IT APPLIES.
I THINK THE CITY'S NOT CORRECT IN SOME OF ITS ANALYSIS OF WHERE LIVE LOCAL APPLIES.
AND IT DOESN'T, IT APPLIES ALMOST EVERYWHERE.
THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF LIVE LOCAL WAS FOR THE STATE TO SHOVE AN AGENDA DOWN THE THROAT OF THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES.
AND SINCE YOU MENTIONED THAT, I'LL HAVE TO, I HAVE TO RESPOND TO THAT.
WE COLLECTIVELY REPRESENT THE VOICES AND THE RESIDENTS OF MIAMI BEACH AND OUR RESIDENTS HAVE SPOKEN LOUD AND CLEAR, NOT ONLY IN MEETINGS AND OTHERWISE, BUT IN, IN VOTER REFERENDUMS. SO WE AGREE THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
AND BY THE WAY, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE RUNNING THIS COMPANY, WHETHER OUR, WHETHER OUR CITY CAN HANDLE, IT'S NOT JUST THE TRAFFIC.
THAT'S THE ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS THEY GOT.
WHAT RESIDENTS DON'T EVEN MENTION THAT WE ALL KNOW IS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE, OUR SEWER, OUR WATER.
WE LITERALLY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO HANDLE WHAT IS POTENTIALLY BEING PROPOSED.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THAT SERIOUS.
SO I JUST, I I JUST HAD THE COMMENT.
I I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I HAVE THE COMMENT ON THAT.
WE'RE ALSO, WE, WE COLLECTIVELY, I AM PROUD OF THIS COMMISSION 'CAUSE WE ARE DOING THE JOB OF REPRESENTING OUR RESIDENTS, WHICH SOME OTHER ELECTEDS OUTSIDE OF MIAMI BEACH DON'T THINK IS IMPORTANT.
I JUST WANNA REMIND, AND AND I JUST WANT TO ADD INTO THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARGUE FOR LIVE LOCAL AND EVEN VOTE FOR, FOR LIVE LOCAL, YOU KNOW, WOULD SAY THAT OUR POLICE IS UNDERSTANDABLE.
JUST THINK ABOUT ADDING POPULATION DENSITY INTO A CITY WITHOUT HAVING ANY REVENUE SOURCE, ANY TAXABLE REVENUE SOURCE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE FOR MORE POLICE FORCE TO PROVIDE FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS OF, OF THE NEW RESIDENTS THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT IN THROUGH, THROUGH LIVE LOCAL.
AND, AND FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE PROCESS.
YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO, THAT WE AS THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PUBLIC, THIS IS OUR JOB.
YOU MAY NOT LIKE OUR JOB, YOU MAY NOT LIKE THE PROCESS, BUT YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING OF THE PUBLIC THAT IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT THAT YOU HAVE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IT IS OUR JOB TO BE ADVOCATING ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY.
AND ALL THAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS, LISTEN TO THE ROOM TODAY.
YOU ONLY NEED FOUR VOTES TO APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE WITH THE VISION THAT COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE HAS FOR A COMPLETED BEACH WALK.
HE SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO HAVE WAITED.
I'M SORRY, I CAN'T, HE SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO HAVE WAITED 10 YEARS FOR, FOR A BEACH WALK.
OUR RESIDENTS SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH A MAKESHIFT HOMELESS SHELTER IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR HOMEOWNERS SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS DEFECATING OUTSIDE I OUTSIDE THEIR HOME.
SO I THINK THERE'S, I THINK YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT FOR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT I'M HEARING FROM MY COLLEAGUES THAT THEY PREFER THE ADMINISTRATION'S RECOMMENDATION TO,
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TO A MORE MODERATE HEIGHT TO A MORE MODERATE F-A-F-A-R.AND THAT WOULD MAKE THE PUBLIC BENEFIT CURRENTLY PROFFERED MORE COMMENSURATE WITH THE APPROXIMATE ADDITIONAL VALUE, ADMIRABLE TO THE INCREASED HEIGHT AND FAR.
AND SO WHILE YOU MAY HAVE SUPPORT TODAY FOR, FOR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, I THINK YOU JUST REALLY NEED TO LISTEN TO THE ROOM AS TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BE JUNE 25TH.
'CAUSE I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO JUNE 25TH, WE'RE LISTENING TO OUR PROFESSIONAL ADMINISTRATORS WHO ARE TELLING US THAT THEY HAVE CONCERNS WITH THIS HEIGHT AND FAR.
USUALLY IT'S THE CITY COMMISSION THAT IS PUSHING BACK ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE, OF THE ADMINISTRATION.
USUALLY THE, THE ADMINISTRATION IS THE ONE THAT IS RECOMMENDING THE HEIGHT, IS THE ONE THAT'S RECOMMENDING THE FAR.
AND WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE PUSHING BACK HERE.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE SAYING, WE THINK WHAT'S APPROPRIATE HERE IS SOMETHING MORE MODEST.
SO I THINK YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT FOR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REGROUP AT THE HEIGHT BECAUSE FROM DAY ONE, WHAT HAS BEEN MY CONCERN, MY CONCERN HAS BEEN THE HEIGHT AND THE FAR THAT YOU ARE ASKING.
AND FROM WHAT I'M SEEING HERE, THAT IS THE, THAT IS THE CONCERN THAT IS SHARED AND RESONATED HERE.
AND I SEE SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE PUBLIC BENEFIT DEBT THAT'S BEING GIVEN IN RETURN.
BUT THERE IS A COMMON GROUND TO BE FILED HERE.
AND THAT COMMON GROUND IS WE APPROVE A, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT'S, THAT'S BEFORE US, BUT YOU REALLY NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE ZONING AND BRING BACK SOMETHING THAT OUR PROFESSIONAL ADMINISTRATION CAN, CAN RECOMMEND.
THE ONLY THING THAT I, I WOULD ADD, WHERE'S TOM MOONEY? I'VE NEVER SEEN, I MEAN HE'S ALWAYS OVER RECOMMENDING.
SO THE
I THINK IT, IT COMES TOGETHER.
I MEAN LIKE WHY THE 300 EXPLAIN.
SO WE, IF YOU MAY RECALL IN THE, UH, COMMISSION MEMO FOR THE LDR AND COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS, WE MADE THREE MAJOR RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE RECOMMENDED THAT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT BE REDUCED TO 300, THAT THE FAR BE REDUCED TO 4.75 AND THAT THE CURRENT SIDE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS BE RETAINED.
SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE QUITE THE GIRTH THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
AND THE REASON THAT WE CAME UP WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS IS BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
ONE, WE HAD TO LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF THE CURRENT ZONING REGULATIONS AND THESE ZONING REGULATIONS WERE PUT INTO PLACE IN THE LATE NINETIES IN RESPONSE TO OVERDEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY BEEN THE PLAN FOR THE AREA AND THE BUILDING JUST TO THE NORTH OF THIS SIDE.
MONAT TERRACE WAS DESIGNED AND BUILT QUITE SUCCESSFULLY WITH THESE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
UM, IN LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL PUBLIC BENEFITS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSAL.
WE ALSO WANTED TO BE FAIR AND LOOK AT WHAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE INCREASE IN ALLOWABLE INTENSITY AND ALLOWABLE HEIGHT, UM, BASED UPON THOSE PUBLIC BENEFITS PROFFERED, BUT ALSO, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY FROM AN URBAN DESIGN STANDPOINT, WHAT WOULD BE WITHIN THAT ESTABLISHED SCALE CHARACTER AND CONTEXT OF THE WEST AVENUE CORRIDOR.
SO TAKING INTO ACCOUNT LARGER BUILDINGS SUCH AS BENTLEY BAY, SUCH AS THE WAVERLY, WHICH WERE BUILT PRE DOWN ZONING ALONG WITH THOSE BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT DURING THE 1960S AND SEVENTIES, LIKE MIRADOR, LIKE BAYVIEW TERRACE, AND THEN MORE RECENT BUILDINGS.
UM, WE CONCLUDED THAT A MORE REASONABLE COMPROMISE WOULD BE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 300 FEET AND A MAXIMUM FAR OF PORT 4.75, ALONG WITH THE PRESERVATION OF THOSE EXISTING INTERIORIZED SETBACK REQUIREMENTS SO THAT THE LIGHT AIR AND VIEW CORRIDORS ARE BETTER PRESERVED.
THE CURRENT HEIGHT THERE IS WHAT ALLOWABLE 150.
AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE BROUGHT DOWN? YES.
WHEN DID WE DO THAT? UH, 1999.
UM, SO THAT'S, I MEAN, LOOK, THAT'S THE DECISION.
WHAT WAS IT BEFORE? WE'RE GOING TO A NEW SCALE.
WHAT WAS IT BEFORE? I BELIEVE AT ONE POINT, UH, RM IT WAS EITHER RM THREE OR CD THREE ON THE BAY.
THERE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A HEIGHT LIMIT, THEN A HEIGHT LIMIT WAS INSTALLED AND I THINK IT WAS CLOSE TO 400 FEET.
THAT'S HOW THE WAVERLY WAS APPROVED.
UM, THEY WERE EITHER RIGHT AT OR JUST BELOW THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT AT THAT TIME.
AND, AND TOM AS AN ALLOWABLE USE RIGHT NOW, UH, COULD THEY BUILD A SHORT-TERM RENTAL CONDO HOTEL? YES.
OH, WELL, THEY COULDN'T BUILD A HOTEL, BUT THEY COULD BUILD A
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MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH SUBSTANTIALLY MORE UNITS.I THINK THEY COULD PROBABLY GET 2 86.
YEAH, 2, 286 UNITS IF THEY WANTED TO JUST MAX OUT THE NUMBER OF UNITS AS OF RIGHT, ALL OF THEM COULD BE SHORT TERM RESIDE.
SO EXACTLY WHAT WE SEE IN NORTH BEACH AND WE ALL SIT UP HERE IN LAMENT.
WHY DIDN'T WE DO SOMETHING SOONER? YOU SAID THE WAVERLY WAS WHEN HIGH LIMITS WERE SET, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S ALSO, THAT'S ALSO WHEN WHEN WE PUT IN AFTER THAT WAS WHEN, AFTER THAT, I THINK IT WAS ALSO THAT'S AROUND THE TIME OF KOYA AND YEAH, KOYA, BENTLEY BAY, UH, WAVERLY, THOSE ALL CAME IN JUST PRIOR TO THE DOWN ZONING AND THEY GOT THEIR APPROVALS.
AND, AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, I REMEMBER THAT'S WHEN THE VOTER REFERENDUM GOT INITIATED.
'CAUSE THAT WAS ALL PART OF MONNET TERRACE, CORRECT? THE UM, THERE WERE LITTLE COTTAGES.
UH, THERE WAS, THEY WERE BRINGING IN TO BE DEMOLISHED.
THE WAVERLY ACTUALLY CONSISTED OF A STREET WHERE A DEVELOPER PURCHASED EVERY SINGLE SMALL LOT.
AND THEN MONAT TERRACE WAS THE SAME THING.
A DEVELOPER WENT IN AND PURCHASED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE SMALLER LOTS.
BUT WITH THE WAVERLY, THERE WAS SO MUCH OUTRAGE BY THE SIZE OF WHAT WAS BEING APPROVED THERE, THAT THAT'S WHEN AS YOU HIGHLIGHTED, NOT ONLY DID THE DOWN ZONING OCCUR, BUT THAT'S ALSO WHEN THE VOTER REFERENDUM, UH, WAS INITIATED ON THE, ON THE HEIGHT AND, AND, AND FAR AND SO, AND SO, I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO JUST BE SENSITIVE TO OUR HISTORY AND TO WHAT WE'VE LEARNED THROUGH, THROUGH TIME THAT YES, WHILE WE MAY HAVE THE LEGISLATIVE PREROGATIVE TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE A BUILDING OF THIS MASS, A BUILDING OF THIS HEIGHT, DOES IT GO ALIGNED WITH THE CORE VALUES THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS TRADITIONALLY HAD? AND, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS ROOM FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT.
IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHAT I HOPE THE DEVELOPER IS ABLE TO IDENTIFY BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN THEY, AND, AND JUNE 25TH, THERE IS A PATH FORWARD, THERE IS A PATH FORWARD, BUT IT'S A, A PATH FORWARD THAT IS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE AREA.
AND I THINK THAT IS ALIGNED WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT OUR PRO PROFESSIONAL PLANNING STAFF IS SAYING THAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE AREA.
SO AS I MENTIONED AT THE OUTSET, UH, I DID PROMISE YOU MR. GLY, SO I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU, BUT, UH, THEN I'M GONNA TAKE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY PRODUCTIVE.
WE'RE GONNA DO SUT NICK AND THE, IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IT'S BASICALLY ONE OF THE SAME, IT'S REALLY NO DIFFERENTIAL, BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE PRODUCTIVE FOR, TO HEAR FROM OUR RESIDENTS ONCE YOU GOT A PERSPECTIVE FROM HEARING, UH, A FULL RANGE OF DISCUSSION.
CERTAINLY, OBVIOUSLY, UH, THE OPINIONS UP HERE ON THE DAAZ.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS, UH, COMMISSIONER SUAREZ.
I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH WHAT ERIC, UH, WHAT ERIC, UH, WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT WE'RE PRETTY MUCH THERE WITH THE SAME NUMBERS.
THAT MEANS THAT IF THE FAR ON THE REPORT IS WRONG, THAT MEANS WE'RE OVER GIVING.
OKAY? 'CAUSE WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IS THAT IF IT'S 30% FLAWED, LET'S SAY WE'RE 200 MILLION, IF IT'S 20% OF THAT ON THE LOWER SIDE OF IT, AND THIS IS TALKING ABOUT A REPORT THAT IS PERFECTLY DONE.
LET'S SAY THAT THIS REPORT IS, IS REALLY ALL REPORTS OF THIS MAGNITUDE ARE 30% COULD VARY FROM SIDE TO SIDE.
THIS REPORT DOESN'T HAVE LAND PRICES, DOESN'T HAVE FINANCE FEES, DOESN'T HAVE BROKERS, DOESN'T HAVE, FORGET ABOUT THE FAR.
IT DOESN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, COMPS THAT ARE, THAT ARE TRUE.
SO HOW COULD WE NEGOTIATE ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS, THAT IS THE NUMBER JUST THROWN OUT IN THE AIR.
SO I THINK THAT EVEN WITH THE NUMBER THAT YOU DO HAVE, LOOKING AT ERIC'S NUMBERS, WE'RE RIGHT THERE.
THERE'S REALLY, AND HE'S TALKING ABOUT, AND THE REPORT WAS DONE NOT ON 300 FEET.
IT WAS DONE ON THREE 30, AND WE'RE STILL RIGHT THERE WITH THE NUMBERS.
AND THAT'S MEANING THE REPORT IS NOT REALLY THAT MUCH FLAWED.
AND WE FEEL THAT IT REALLY IS.
THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY OVER GIVING MORE THAN THE ADDITIONAL, MORE THAN THE 20 OR 30% THAT HE'S PUT IN.
AND I THINK YOU NEED TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, AND I RESPECT THE NEGOTIATION.
WE'RE ALSO TWO, YOU KNOW, TWO GUYS THAT ARE UP HERE THAT ARE RESIDENTS OF MIAMI BEACH.
WE'RE NOT A FUND OUT OF OUTTA STATE.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT LIVE LOCAL DOESN'T WORK HERE.
YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT WORK ON THE SITE, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T WORK FOR OUR CITY AS A WHOLE.
AND I THINK FOR SOMEONE TO PUT THAT TYPE OF STUFF IN A REPORT, OKAY, IT'S REALLY UNPROFESSIONAL ON THAT SIDE OF IT.
HE'S NOT HERE TO, TO BE ABLE TO REBUTTAL ON THESE QUESTIONS, BUT IT JUST PUTS US IN A POSITION THAT HIS REPORT IS FINE, AND NOW WE HAVE TO FIGHT OUR WAY TO IT.
BUT I JUST THINK IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S FLAWED.
ERIC, IF YOU DON'T MIND, ERIC, THE DEVELOPER SENT US THE DAY AFTER WE GOT THIS REPORT, A, A
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REBUTTAL, RIGHT? YES.DID YOU SEND THAT REBUTTAL TO ANDY KART? NO.
WHY NOT? ANDY WAS GOING ON VACATION.
UH, HE WAS LEAVING THE COUNTRY ON THE 22ND, AND SO THAT WAS A PRE-PLANNED VACATION.
AND SO WE KNEW HE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RESPOND TO IT WHILE HE WAS ON VACATION.
BUT, UM, HE IS ON HIS WAY BACK AND WE CAN CERTAINLY SEND THAT TO HIM AND MAKE SURE THAT HE'S AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING ON THE 25TH TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I'M SURPRISED YOU GUYS DIDN'T SEND THE REBUTTAL TO ANDY.
I MEAN, I KNOW HE'S GOING ON VACATION, BUT I CHECK MY EMAILS WHEN I'M ON VACATION.
UH, LET'S TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK PLEASE LINE UP.
I'M GONNA FIRST START WITH THE ZOOM CALLERS.
SO THERE'S THE FIRST ZOOM CALLER IS MICHAEL.
MICHAEL, PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
MICHAEL, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
I'M CURRENTLY THE PRESIDENT OF 1228 WEST AVENUE.
WE GOT A BUILDING IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
NOW THERE'S AN OLD EXPRESSION THAT LET'S, LET'S NOT LET PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF GREAT.
WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT, BUT IT'S ALSO A GOOD SOLUTION TO MANY OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ARE CALLED BAYVIEW TERRACE BECAUSE EVERY ONE OF OUR 995 APARTMENTS HAS A BALCONY AND THE BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF THE BAY.
AND THIS PROJECT WITH A SMALLER FOOTPRINT AND THE MORE GENEROUS SETBACKS PRESERVES THOSE VIEWS FAR GREATER THAN A RIGHT TO THE, UH, RIGHT TO BUILD DESIGN.
THE BIKINI HOSPITAL IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
THE PROSPECT OF A PERMANENT HOMELESS SHELTER A HUNDRED FEET FROM OUR FRONT DOOR OR NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE QUALITY OF OUR RESIDENT'S LIFE, AS WELL AS THE FUTURE VALUE OF THE HOMES.
OUR RESIDENTS WOULD LOVE TO WALK OUT THE REAR OF OUR BUILDING TO A COMPLETED BAY WALK, ENJOY AN NON-STRUCTURED WALK TO SOUTH POINT PARK.
WE BELIEVE THIS WILL BE A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING THAT WILL ADD ELEGANCE AND MODERNIZATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THE LAST FEW SECONDS, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT YES, THE BAY WALK COMPLETION, UH, WILL HELP MR. STERN AND ALSO GETTING YOU TO THE BIKINI HOSTEL, BUT IT ALSO HELPS ALL OF OUR, UH, APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, RISING TIDE LIFTS ALL BOATS AND THERE IS VALUE TO GETTING RID OF THE BIKINI HOSTEL AS WELL AS THE BAY WALK.
BESIDES JUST THE CONSTRUCTION COST, THERE'S VALUE THAT IT ADDS TO OUR APARTMENTS TO HAVE THOSE AMENITIES AND TO HAVE THAT ELIMINATION.
SO WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE THE, UH, OF THE, UH, PROJECT.
NEXT, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
I LIVE IN THE WEST AVENUE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THE HEIGHT IS TOO HIGH.
THREE OF THESE COMMISSIONERS WERE AT OUR WAGON MEETING, AND YOU SAID YOU WOULDN'T APPROVE EVEN ONE INCH ABOVE 150 FEET.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE YOU SAW THE TRUE RESIDENTS, THEIR OPINION, 98 OUT OF 102 PEOPLE WERE AGAINST ANY HEIGHT INCREASE WHATSOEVER WITH COMMUNITY BENEFITS.
THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS, UM, DID NOT WEIGH HEAVY HEAVILY ON THAT.
SO I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THAT.
I'M NOT SAYING THE FA R'S TOO BIG.
MAYBE SOMETHING COULD BE DONE, BUT WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE SET UP FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, A CORRIDOR THAT'S, THAT'S 300 FEET GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN WEST AVE.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE THIS GUY, DAN MILBERG OR SOMETHING, HE, HE CREATED THE, UH, THE BUYOUT AT 1250 WEST AVE.
WE SAW THE LETTERS 'CAUSE PEOPLE SENT THEM TO US FOR TWO OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE STREET, VERY AGGRESSIVE LETTERS.
AND, UM, WHEN YOU ASKED MICHAEL STERN, OH, DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS? HE'S LIKE, OH, I KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.
HE KNOWS ABOUT THIS GUY, DAN, AND HE'S NEGOTIATING WITH HIM FOR THOSE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS.
AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, OH, THE MOORING FIELD, OH, YOU NEED MONEY FOR THE MOORING FIELD.
I MEAN, I CAN SEE IT IN THE FUTURE.
THEY'RE GONNA SAY, OH, WELL GIVE THE CITY 20 MILLION FOR A WARING FIELD, SO GIVE US MORE HEIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DON'T WANT MORE HEIGHT.
WE JUST SEE THIS AS CONTINUING.
UM, SECOND OF ALL, I'M A LITTLE UPSET ABOUT THE CITY'S ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE.
IF IT WASN'T FOR DAVID SUAREZ AND THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS, WE WOULD BE LIKE A DOORMAT GETTING ROLLED OVER.
UM, YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF, THEY'RE KIND OF TAKING THIS POSITION.
LIKE IT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NEUTRAL.
ARE YOU ON OUR SIDE, ERIC? I DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU ARE.
UM, AND THE LAST POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE, UM, ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, I THINK IT'S UNACCEPTABLE
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THAT WE'RE NEGOTIATING WITH SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOT OWN THE BIKINI PROPERTY.I THINK THAT EITHER DEVELOPER SHOULD JUST BUY IT NOW AND, AND OWN IT, AND THEN WE CAN NEGOTIATE WITH THE OWNER, OR HE SHOULD GIVE THE CITY 20 MILLION.
OUR NEXT VIRTUAL SPEAKER HAS A PHONE NUMBER THAT ENDS IN FOUR FOUR, FIVE SIX.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
TRY TO STICK WITHIN PJ LET'S GO.
GO TO THE NEXT CALLER, JESSICA DAVIS.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS SO YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT, UH, AT UH, OF THE BOARD AT 1228 WEST AVENUE.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, UH, MY WIFE AND I HAVE OWNED AN APARTMENT AT 1228 WEST AVENUE FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
AND, UH, THAT IS WHERE WE RETIRE TO IN 2019.
1228 WEST IS A SOLIDLY MIDDLE CLASS BUILDING.
WE ARE HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME MAKEUP AS 1250 WEST AVENUE.
THE DIFFERENCE IS WE TOOK GOOD CARE OF OUR BUILDING AND MADE SOUND FINANCIAL DECISIONS.
WE JUST SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED OUR 50 YEAR RECERTIFICATION.
THE BIKINI HOSTILE HAS GOT TO GO.
ASIDE FROM THE 15 YEAR NUISANCE, IT HAS BEEN NOW AS A MAKESHIFT HOMELESS SHELTER.
IT IS CAUSING FURTHER DETERIORATION TO OUR RESIDENTS QUALITY OF LIFE, OUR SAFETY, AND A DECLINE IN OUR PROPERTY VALUES.
UH, ON JUNE 3RD, THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE MIAMI HERALD STATING, MIAMI-DADE SAGGING CONDO MARKET COULD BE NEXT.
WELL, THE BIKINI HOSTEL HAVING IT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US, YES, IT HELPS MR. STERN, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MIDDLE CLASS RESIDENTS OF 1228? SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS, THEIR UNITS ARE THEIR BIGGEST INVESTMENT.
IT'S NOT FAIR THAT THEY ARE GOING, ARE NOW, THE PRICES ARE DECLINING BECAUSE OF THE BIKINI HOSTEL AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT THEY'RE LOSING VALUE IN THEIR HOMES.
AND AGAIN, ALSO WE WANT THE BAY WALK.
SINCE, UM, ABOUT 2021, OUR VARIOUS BOARDS HAVE MET WITH THE CITY PROBABLY AT AT LEAST NINE TIMES.
YOUR TIME IS UP, BUT I APOLOGIZE.
NEXT, PLEASE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
I'M A YEAR-ROUND RESIDENT OF 1330 WEST AVENUE FOR EIGHT MONTHS.
THE DEVELOPERS OF 1250 WEST AVENUE HAVE HAD NUMEROUS OPPORTUNITIES TO PRESENT THEIR ARGUMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT AT LENGTH.
WHILE WE, THE CITIZENS OF MIAMI BEACH, HAVE BEEN LIMITED TO ONE OR TWO MINUTE SNIPPETS LIKE THIS TO PRESENT OUR MANY ARGUMENTS AGAINST IT, BASED ON THIS VOTING COMMISSION'S PREVIOUS VOTE.
AND IT'S BEEN APTLY MADE MORE CLEAR TONIGHT.
THE WORD ON THE STREET IS THAT MIAMI BEACH ZONING IS FOR SALE TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER.
THE LOCAL DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY SEES 1250 WEST AS A BELLWETHER CASE WITH EVERY EXP EXPECTATION THAT IT IS.
IF IT IS APPROVED, THEN OTHER DEVELOPERS CAN BRIBE THE CITY IN ORDER TO MAXIMIZE THEIR OWN PROFITS.
I SPEAK FOR WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE SOLID MAJORITY OF MIAMI BEACH RESIDENTS.
WHEN I SAY WE BELIEVE THAT'S SIMPLY WRONG, IT'S INTERESTING.
THE JDS CONTINUOUSLY TOUTS ITS PROJECT AT ONE 11 WEST 57TH STREET IN NEW YORK CITY.
YOU MAY RECALL THAT FROM BEFORE, BUT THAT BUILDING EXEMPLIFIES WHY AN OUT OF SCALE TOWER AT 1250 WEST AVENUE SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED.
ONE 11 WEST 57TH IS A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING DESIGNED BY A RENOWNED ARCHITECTURE FIRM THAT'S COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.
BUT THAT TOWER AND THE OTHERS ON WHAT IS NOW BILLIONAIRES ROW HAVE DESTROYED WHAT WAS ONCE A VIBRANT MIX OF RESTAURANTS, SHOPS, AND EVEN RESIDENCES THAT ONCE WELCOMED NEW YORKERS AND TOURISTS ALIKE.
LOCALS DESPISE THAT BUILDING AND ITS BRETHREN, BOTH FOR CASTING SHADOWS OVER CENTRAL PARK AND FOR PLACING THE INTERESTS OF DEVELOPERS AND THE ULTRA RICH OVER THOSE OF OUR OWN COMMUNITY.
FEW BUYERS OF 1250 WEST ULTIMATELY WILL BE FLORIDA VOTERS.
WE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR YOU.
PLEASE HONOR OUR WISHES AND DENY ANYTHING LARGER THAN AN AS OF RIGHT PROJECT 150 FEET.
WE KNOW THEY CAN DID IT, DID DO IT.
THEY DID IT EXACTLY NEXT DOOR AND MADE A PILE OF MONEY.
WE'RE HAPPY FOR THEM TO MAKE A PILE OF MONEY, MONEY AND TO GIVE SOME, SOME BENEFITS TO THE CITY JUST AT A REDUCED LEVEL TO MAINTAIN THAT, THAT PLAN FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WE SHOULD SUPPORT IN ALL WAYS.
OUR NEXT PUBLIC SPEAKER ON ZOOM IS KAIN KARE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
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HI THERE.MY NAME IS KARINE KIRKLAND, 1345 WEST AVENUE.
SO I LIVE CATTYCORNER OR AGAINST THIS 1250.
AGAIN, IT'S A DEVELOPER BRIBING THE CITY TO DO ITS OWN WORK.
WE TOLD YOU WE WANT NO MORE HEIGHT.
WE WANT, WE'VE GOT AN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN COMPLETED AND IT'S ALREADY WITH PLANS FOR OTHER BUILDINGS TO FOLLOW ALONG WITH 1250 TO OVERWHELM WHAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN FINISHED AND WON'T FINISH FOR THREE YEARS.
PLEASE STAY TO THE HEIGHT LIMITS.
LET'S GET ANOTHER MONET TERRACE.
WE DO NOT NEED THIS HEIGHT GIVEN TO THIS DEVELOPER.
WE DO NOT NEED TO BE SELLING OUR VOTES.
SELLING WHAT WE'VE ASKED YOUR COMMISSIONERS NOT TO DO.
WE DON'T WANT DEVELOPERS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF US ANYMORE WITH BRIBERY.
NEXT, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS.
RYAN SKOLNIK, 4 7 7 5 COLLINS AVENUE.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THIS DEVELOPER HAS BEEN TRIED AND TESTED AND BUILT AN EXEMPLARY DEVELOPMENT AT, UH, MONAD TERRACE.
WE KNOW FROM THE PROJECT THE DEVELOPER HAS KEPT HIS WORD AND BUILT AN OUTSTANDING BUILDING.
I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE AND APPRECIATE HIS PASSION REGARDING THE BAY WALK.
I ENJOY THE BEACH WALK ON A DAILY BASIS AND IT TRULY IS ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PARTS OF OUR CITY.
REGARDING THE BIKINI HOSTEL, I THINK WHAT'S GOING ON THERE IS A STAIN ON THE BEACH.
IT'S AN ISSUE, ISSUE JUST LIKE THE BAY WALK THAT I KNOW THIS COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO SEE TAKEN CARE OF.
AND I FIND IT TO JUST BE AN ADDED BONUS THAT THE PRIVATE SECTORS COMING IN TO DISMANTLE, UH, THE BIKINI HOSPITAL AND TURN IT INTO PUBLIC BENEFIT.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK, UH, COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ AS WELL FOR HER CLARITY TODAY.
UH, TO CONCLUDE, I WANNA VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT.
THE CURRENT BUILDING AT 1250 IS OUTDATED AND REQUIRES MILLIONS IN OWNER REPAIRS AND ASSESSMENTS.
THAT IS JUST NOT PLAUSIBLE FOR THE CURRENT TENANTS AND IS WHY THE BUYOUT OF THOSE TENANTS HAS WENT SO SMOOTHLY AS THE PREMIER CITY IN THE US WE SHOULD, WE MUST REMAIN PROGRESSIVE AND LET SEASONED DEVELOPERS BETTER OUR COMMUNITY.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS BRIAN K BRIAN, PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME, ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
I LIVE AT, UH, 1000 WEST AVENUE.
UM, AND I WANTED TO JUST, YOU KNOW, FORGIVE MY UH, TERM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE STOCKHOLM SYNDROME HERE, WHERE THE DEVELOPER CAME IN AT FOUR 20 AND NOW THE DEVELOPER'S AT THREE 30 PLUS MECHANICS, BY THE WAY, WHICH IS ANOTHER UP TO 25 FEET.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE CITY IS PROPOSING TO GIVE THE DEVELOPER 300 FEET, YOU ARE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER 25 FEET ON TOP OF THAT.
SO WE'RE NOT REALLY GAINING MUCH.
PLEASE RESTRICT THE HEIGHT OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, LET THE, LET THE DEVELOPER WORK INTO TO THE AS OF RIGHT OF THE 150 FEET.
AND I WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY, AND IT CAME UP EARLIER, THANK YOU ALEX FERNANDEZ, FOR REMINDING EVERYONE THAT THE MONNET TERRACE USED TO BE HOMES THAT WERE THEN GIVEN, UH, A VARIANCE TO BUILD UP TO 150 FEET.
AND SO NOW THEY'RE COMING BACK FOR MORE AND WANTING TWICE THE AMOUNT.
UM, SO I I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR.
UM, APPROVAL OF THIS WILL SET PRECEDENCE AND THERE ARE OTHER DEVELOPERS WAITING IN THE CUT TO JUST SEE WHAT HAPPENS HERE SO THAT THEY CAN GO MOVE FORWARD AND PRESSURE THE CITY OFFICIALS TO APPROVE THEIR PROJECTS.
UM, I THINK, UH, IN ADDITIONALLY THE BI BIKINI HOSPITAL HAS EXISTED AND IS A PROBLEM, BUT REALIZE THAT IT'S EXISTED THERE AT THE SAME TIME THAT MONAT TERRACE HAS EXISTED AND HAS SOLD AT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PER UNIT PER SQUARE FEET.
UM, SO IT, IT, I THINK USING IT AS A CUDGEL TO TRY TO CONVINCE EVERYBODY THAT WE NEED TO TAKE THIS DEVELOPERS FLAWED, UM, YOU KNOW, ASSESSMENT AND, AND, AND HIGHER HEIGHT IS IN, IS REALLY INAPPROPRIATE.
YOU ARE ELECTED TO UPHOLD OUR LAWS.
PLEASE UPHOLD THEM TO TOWARDS WHAT'S ARE ON THE BOOKS AS RESIDENTS.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY VOTED FOR THAT AND I THINK TAKE LESS, UM, WEIGHT TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO COME IN AND CALL AND GIVE THEIR OPINION.
I DON'T GO UP TO 42ND STREET AND SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
NEXT, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I LIVE IN 1200 WEST AVENUE, THE RADOR, AND I ALSO HAVE AN APARTMENT THAT I RENT OUT.
SO TWO UNITS, UNITS IN THE BUILDING.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT'S GOING INTO THIS PROJECT AND SCOPING IT AND MAKING SURE IT'S THE BEST FOR THE RESIDENTS LIKE MYSELF.
THAT SAID, I, AFTER SITTING HERE AND LISTENING OVER THE LAST TWO HOURS, I'D STILL FEEL AS I DID WHEN I WALKED INTO THE ROOM, WHICH IS, IT'S A WIN-WIN.
I REALLY FEEL THERE'S URGENCY AROUND ACTUALLY, UH, THE KIND OF BENEFITS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED THAT WILL COME OUT OF THIS PROJECT.
IT WASN'T AN EASY DECISION FOR ME TO LEAVE NEW YORK WHERE I ALWAYS LIVED AND WORKED.
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REASON I LEFT WAS BECAUSE OF THE HOMELESS ISSUE THAT HAD KIND OF REALLY GOTTEN TO A REALLY BAD PLACE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PANDEMIC.AND SO I REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S URGENCY AND THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE RESIDENTS ON THE STREET ARE COMING FIRST.
AND THAT COMES WITH THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS CLEARLY, UM, A, AN A SOLUTION, A DIRECT SOLUTION.
ADDITIONALLY, LIKE, UM, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A FUTURE WITH A FAMILY ON THE STREET.
I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO WALK THE BAY WALK WITH MY FUTURE CHILDREN.
AND I THINK THE PUBLIC BENEFITS HERE CLEARLY ARE KIND OF WIN-WIN FOR EVERYONE ON THE, IN THE COMMUNITY.
NOT TO MENTION THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES WILL GO UP.
I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY BUILDING IN PARTICULAR ARE WORKING CLASS, HAVE HAD AN OWNED PROPERTY OR OWNED UNITS IN THE BUILDING FOR MANY YEARS, AND THAT'S THEIR FUTURE IS THE, THE SALE OF THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY.
AND SO WHAT COMES WITH THIS IS HIGHER VALUE, SAFETY, A BETTER COMMUNITY AROUND US.
I MAINTAIN THAT FEELING EVEN AFTER LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATIONS TODAY.
AND I HOPE THAT, UM, THAT, THAT YOU ARE IN SUPPORT AND WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
OUR NEXT PUBLIC SPEAKER IS A SAMSUNG SM PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME, ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
YEAH, THIS IS, UH, PAUL FROM 1250 WEST AVENUE.
UM, I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHY WE HAVEN'T CLOSED YET.
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO CLOSE LAST NOVEMBER.
HAS ANYONE CHECKED DURING FINANCES? WE'VE BEEN IN LIMBO.
NO ONE IN THE 1250 HAS GOTTEN PAID ANYTHING.
I WAS NOT GIVEN ANYTHING EXTRA AND WHAT WE WERE OFFERED, WE CAN'T EVEN AFFORD TO BUY AT 1200 WEST NEXT DOOR.
CHEAPEST UNIT IN THERE IS ABOUT 800,000, UH, DOLLARS.
ALSO, I WANNA KNOW IF STERN'S GONNA HELP US PAY OUR MOVING EXPENSES IF HE EVER DOES CLOSE.
YES, MY NAME IS JORGE BENTON COURT.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS, BOARD MEMBER FOR 30 YEARS, PRESIDENT FOR 20 YEARS.
VERY PROUD OF ALL THE WORK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE.
UM, THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THE HOMELESS.
I'VE WALKED OUT THE OTHER DAY AND IT WAS SO SCARY TO SEE THE FIGHTS THAT GOES ON IT.
I FEEL LIKE IT WAS IN A ZOMBIE MOVIE.
UH, THE KIDS TELL ME THEY DON'T WANNA RIDE THE BICYCLES ANYMORE ON THAT AREA.
UM, IT'S LIKE THE SCARY MOVIE THAT LIKE DOWN THE STREET, THE HOUSE THAT YOU WANT TO RIDE YOUR BIKE.
UM, SO THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THAT.
UM, BAY GARDEN, IT'S LIKE THE WELFARE PARADOX WHERE WELFARE HELPS SOME PEOPLE AND IT BECOMES LIKE A FINANCIAL TRAP.
IT HAS BECOME A FINANCIAL TRAP FOR THE OWNERS.
UH, 80% OF THE OWNERS ARE INVESTORS AND THEY DO NOT MAKE ENDS MEET.
UM, BETWEEN BOTH ASSESSMENTS SERVES, UH, FULL MANDATORY, UM, RESERVES.
UH, THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO RENT OUT THE UNITS AND BREAK EVEN.
SO THEY HAVE APPROACHED ME ON A PERSONAL LEVEL 'CAUSE IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO TALK ABOUT FINANCES.
AND THEY'RE SAYING WE, THIS IS, WE, WE CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE.
AND I FEEL LIKE I'M HERE ON A PROXY, BUT 99% OF THE OWNERS RAN TO THE DEVELOPER.
I, ALL I DID WAS PROVIDE THE PLATFORM.
CAN I HAVE ONE MINUTE OR NO? CAN I JUST KEEP GOING? UM, FOUR YEARS AGO I WAS APPROACHED BY, UM, AVIS ST.
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE HISTORY, I HAVE THE EMAIL HERE.
I JUST LOOKED AT IT WHILE I WAS SITTING THERE.
UM, THEY WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNERS AND MYSELF, SO I WAS COMPLETELY LOST.
I'M LIKE, I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BUCK SALE.
SO I CALLED, UH, BECKMAN POFF.
I TALKED TO ONE OF THE PARTNERS AND I SAID, DAVID, I WE NEED HELP.
SAID I NEED TO BRING A SENSE OF NEUTRALITY HERE.
UM, CAN YOU HELP US? CAN YOU GUIDE US THROUGH THIS? SO I, WE SET UP A ZOOM MEETING WITH ALL THE OWNERS.
UM, THEY CHAIR THE ENTIRE THING.
I KEPT MY MOUTH QUIET 'CAUSE I, AGAIN, I WANTED TO BE NEUTRAL.
UM, THERE WAS ONE OWNER THAT OWNED 70 UNITS AND WE WERE ALL WAITING TO SEE IF THAT OWNER WAS BOLTED, WHICH HE DID.
UM, AND THEN THE REST JUST KIND OF WITHIN TWO YEARS, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO REACH A BUCK SALE.
GETTING TO AN 80, 90, 90 5% IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.
THE FACT THAT WE ARE AT 99% SAYS THAT PEOPLE ARE DESPERATE TO GET OUT.
UM, I WOULD ACTUALLY, I WOULD APPROVE YOU IN A HIGHER BUILDING 'CAUSE I LOVE MORE ART.
I WAKE UP IN THE MORNING, MY APARTMENT FACES THE, IT'S A VERTICAL GARDEN.
IT'S A BUILDING OF THE FUTURE.
I'VE DONE THINGS WITH THE KIDS ABOUT CITY OF THE FUTURE AND THE ROBOTS AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA SEE ON, ON THE BEACH.
SOMETHING AS BEAUTIFUL AS THAT.
YOUR NEXT PUBLIC SPEAKER IS VIA ZOOM, SCREEN NAME JIMMY'S IPAD.
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PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME, ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES THAT LONG.UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MINOR AND COMMISSIONERS.
I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF MIAMI BEACH, GRADUATED BEACH HIGH.
FRANKLY, I'M SHOCKED TO HEAR, UH, OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT.
WE ALL KNOW THERE WILL BE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST EVERYTHING, BUT WHEN YOU STAND FOR EVERYTHING, YOU ULTIMATELY STAND FOR NOTHING.
UH, YOU WERE ELECTED BECAUSE YOU STAND FOR US, THE RESIDENTS.
AND TODAY WE ARE ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
NOT FOR THE DEVELOPER, NOT FOR THE DEVELOPER, BUT BECAUSE IT WILL ENHANCE OUR LIVES IN REAL TANGIBLE WAYS.
LET'S COUNT JUST A FEW OF THE BENEFITS.
ONE, REMOVE AN OUTDATED, DETERIORATED BUILDING THAT IS LONG OUTLIVED ITS USEFULNESS.
TWO, BRING US BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED MODERN STRUCTURE THAT MEETS TODAY'S BUILDING CODES AND STANDARDS.
IT'LL ELIMINATE THE UNSAFE PROBLEMATIC BIKINI HOSTILE, WHICH HAS BECOME A BURDEN ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, FOUR COMPLETES A LONG AWAITED BAY WALK.
SOMETHING THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN PROMISED FOR YEARS.
IT OPENS DOORS FOR PUBLIC PARK, OR MEANINGFUL USE OF SPACE INSTEAD OF A HOMELESS SHELTER.
SAVES THE CITY MONEY BY ELIMINATING THE NEED FOR 24 HOUR POLICE PRESENCE ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND WHAT'S THE OBJECTION? THAT A NEW BUILDING IS A BIT TALLER? LET'S BE HONEST.
THIS IS NOT A DEBATE ROOTED IN FACT OR FAIRNESS.
UH, YOU BECOME PUBLIC ER YOU BECOME PUBLIC SERVANTS TO MAKE OUR LIVES BETTER, TO PROTECT OUR SAFETY AND GUIDE SMART GROWTH FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
PLEASE APPROVE THIS PROJECT TODAY.
LET US ENJOY OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
FEEL SAFE AND BE PROUD OF WHERE WE CALL HOME.
UM, I LIVE IN SUNSET HARBOR WITH MY WIFE AND 2-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER.
AND I LIVED IN MIAMI BEACH FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS, UM, IN MANY DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
UM, I TRULY CARE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS COMMUNITY AND ABSOLUTELY LOVE HOW FAR THE CITY HAS COME WITH OUR RAPID GROWTH WITH TRULY AMAZING, UH, PEOPLE, FAMILIES, NEW BUSINESSES, NEW RESTAURANTS, AND NEW DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY TO VOICE MY STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF 1250 WEST AVENUE.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT CITIES GROW AND EVOLVE AND WITH THAT COMES A NEED FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT RESPECTS THE PAST, WHILE ALSO PREPARES FOR THE FUTURE.
THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ONLY REPLACING AN AGING AND UNSAFE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT IT'S PART OF A LONG-TERM VISION THAT SUPPORTS THOUGHTFUL GROWTH.
THE DESIGN IS SLEEK, APPROPRIATELY SCALED FOR THAT AREA AND INCLUDES SETBACKS THAT ENSURES IT INTEGRATES VISUALLY AND NATURALLY WITH ITS SURROUNDINGS.
SINCE STARTING A FAMILY SAFETY HAS OBVIOUSLY BECOME A TOP PRIORITY FOR ME.
AND SEEING OCCASIONAL DISTURBANCES IS SOMETHING I WOULDN'T WISH FOR ANYONE.
AND THAT'S WHY REMOVING THE BIKINI HOSTEL IS A MUST AND A, AND A GREAT CONTRIBUTION TO THIS PROJECT, ALONG WITH CHANGING THE BIKINI HOSTEL SITE INTO A PUBLIC PARK.
I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT FINISHING THE BAY WALK.
MAKING MIAMI A TRULY WALKABLE PLACE, I THINK IS A MUST IN WHAT WE ALL REALLY WANT AND DESIRE.
UM, THAT'S A REAL INVESTMENT IN FAMILIES AND COMMUNITY LIFE AND SOMETHING THAT WILL MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD EVEN MORE ENJOYABLE FOR EVERYONE.
I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
OUR NEXT VIRTUAL SPEAKER IS JAMES JULIUS, PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
I LIVE AT SIX 50 WEST AVENUE, UH, AND I'M HERE TODAY TO VOICE MY STRONG, UH, SUPPORT FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY OF 1250 WEST AVENUE.
UM, AS WELL, I ALSO OWN HARBOR CLUB JUST IN SUNSET HARBOR, A FEW BLOCKS AWAY FROM 1250 WEST AVENUE.
AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S TIME FOR US TO LOOK AHEAD TO EMBRACE THE CHANGE AND INVEST IN MEANINGFUL IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS EXACTLY THAT THE BIKINI HOSPITAL HAS INCREASINGLY BECOME A SOURCE OF DISRUPTION.
IT'S CREATED AN ATMOSPHERE THAT MAKES RESIDENTS FEEL UNSAFE, AND THAT SHOULD NEVER BE ACCEPTABLE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE PEOPLE LIVE, WORK AND RAISE FAMILIES.
MY WIFE AND I HAVE A NINE WEEK OLD BABY BOY AND IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO FEEL SAFE WALKING IN OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS REDEVELOPMENT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REMOVE A PROBLEM THAT'S BEEN HOLDING US BACK AND REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING THAT MOVES OUR COMMUNITY FORWARD.
AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I COULD ATTEST TO SEEING OUR CLIENTS FEEL UNEASY WITH HOMELESSNESS.
WITH THE HOMELESSNESS SITUATION AROUND WEST AVENUE AND SUNSET HARBOR, I'VE EVEN HAD HOMELESS PEOPLE WANDER INTO MY BUSINESS AND TRY AND TAKE STUFF OFF MY SHELVES.
WE CAN'T IGNORE THE ISSUE OF THE HOMELESSNESS THAT'S BECOME MORE VISIBLE AROUND THE AREA.
I'M NOT HERE TO POINT FINGERS OR COMPLAIN.
I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT FINDING A COMPASSIONATE SOLUTION.
BUT THE CURRENT SETUP ISN'T HELPING ANYONE LEAVING THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE.
WITHOUT SERVICE, WITHOUT STRUCTURE AND WITHOUT SOLUTION ISN'T SOLVING THE PROBLEM.
IT'S ONLY PUSHING IT AROUND AND HURTING EVERYONE INVOLVED, ESPECIALLY THE MOST VULNERABLE.
THE WE DEVELOPMENT PROPO PROPOSAL GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO BETTER FOR EVERYONE.
IT'S A CHANCE TO TURN A TROUBLED
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PROPERTY INTO SOMETHING THAT BRINGS REAL VALUE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SOMETHING THAT'S THOROUGHLY DESIGNED AND MANAGED WITH CARE, AND THAT RESPECTS PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY LIVE THERE.IT'S A STEP TOWARDS CREATING A SAFER, CLEANER, AND MORE WELCOMING COMMUNITY FOR BOTH LONGTIME RESIDENTS AND NEWCOMERS, FAMILIES FOR WORKERS, AND FOR BUSINESS OWNERS LIKE MYSELF.
SO I'M ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL, NOT JUST FOR ME, BUT FOR ALL OF US WHO CALL THIS SPACE HOME.
NEXT, PLEASE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS.
DONNA MAGAZINE, SIX 50 WEST AVENUE.
I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK, AS I SAID BEFORE, ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, NOT BECAUSE I AM THE COMMISSIONER'S MOTHER.
I ONLY REQUEST THAT THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE BEFORE ME IN SUCH A POSITIVE WAY WERE SO ELEGANT IN ALL OF THEIR PRESENTATIONS.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT I COULD SAY THAT COULD INCREASE A MORE POSITIVE APPROACH AS TO WHY THIS DEVELOPMENT SHOULD GO THROUGH.
I'M NOT HERE JUST TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPER, BUT THE WHOLE ENVIRONMENT.
I AM VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS 30 FEET IS OF SUCH CONTENTION SINCE THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER BUILDINGS ALONG THE BAY FROM DOWN AT THE CONTINUUM, ALL THE WAY UP PAST THE WAVERLY THAT ARE MUCH, MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED THIS 30 FEET.
WHEN I LOOK INTO THE FUTURE, I GO, DOES THESE EXTRA UNITS NOT BRING PROFIT TO THE CITY'S REVENUE? I CAN ONLY SAY LIKE WE'RE TALKING ON TODAY, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO TALK TO THE FUTURE.
I CAN'T AFFORD MY TAXES GOING UP ANY HIGHER GUYS.
UM, SO ANYTHING THAT WOULD SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, I'M TOTALLY POOR.
THE BIKINI HOSTEL IS VERY THREATENING TO ME VERY, VERY FREQUENTLY.
ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAYS EARLY IN THE MORNING, I WALK UP TO BABYSIT UP ON THE VENETIAN AND THE COMMENTS THAT ARE MADE TO A SENIOR CITIZEN.
I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE THE YOUNG GIRLS THAT ARE WALKING AROUND OR THEIR CHILDREN, THE COMMENTS THAT ARE MADE.
IT'S VERY THREATENING TO MAKE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
I DO HOPE MORE THAN ANYTHING THAT THIS PROJECT GOES THROUGH.
I HAD TEXTED MY SON EARLIER AND SAID, WHAT ISN'T THE DEVELOPER? JUST SAY, FREAK IT.
OUR NEXT UH, ZOOM CALLER IS MATEO MARQUEZ, GO AHEAD.
I AM A GRADUATE OF MIAMI BEACH SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL.
I'M A RESIDENT OF WEST AVENUE OF THE WEST AVENUE NEIGHBORHOOD, LIVING IN, UH, 1 3 3 1 LINCOLN ROAD RIGHT NEAR THE SITE OF, UH, 1250 WEST AVE.
I WANNA EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS NOT ONLY AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY, BUT UH, TO IMPROVE QUALITY AND, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO TO GUIDE THOUGHTFUL AND RESPONSIBLE GROWTH.
MIAMI BEACH, THIS CORNER OF WEST AVENUE HAS SO MUCH POTENTIAL AND FOR YEARS IT'S BEEN HELD BACK BY UNDERUTILIZED OR PROBLEMATIC PROPERTIES.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS FOR RESIDENTS LIKE MYSELF HAS BEEN THE PRESENCE OF THE BIKINI HOSTEL.
MANY OF US HAVE EXPERIENCED FIRSTHAND THE INCREASE OF INCIDENTS WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO END UP CONCENTRATED AROUND THAT PROPERTY.
IT'S A REAL PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN.
THE RE THE REDEVELOPMENT OF 1250 WEST A WILL UPLIFT THIS CORRIDOR AND, UH, IS A CRUCIAL STEP IN FINALLY REMOVING THE BIKINI HOSTEL AND REPLACEMENT WITH SOMETHING THAT BETTER SERVES OUR COMMUNITY.
IT'S A CHANCE TO TURN A PROBLEM INTO A SOLUTION AND HELP REDUCE HOMELESSNESS AND INSTABILITY IN THE AREA THROUGH MORE APPROPRIATE AND SUPPORTIVE INFRASTRUCTURE.
BEYOND THAT, I APPRECIATE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS SHOWN A WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, CONSIDER RESILIENCE MEASURES, AND DESIGN A PROJECT THAT RESPECTS THE EVOLVING NEEDS OF THIS PART OF MIAMI BEACH.
WE NEED BUILDINGS THAT ARE FORWARD THINKING.
THE DEVELOPER FINALLY FINISHING SOMETHING THAT CITY HAS PROMISED FOR SO MANY YEARS TO COMPLETE, LIKE THE BAY WALK IS AMAZING NEWS FOR US RESIDENTS.
SO I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS REDEVELOPMENT.
LET'S MAKE OUR CITY FORWARD, UH, THOUGHTFULLY WHILE ADDRESSING LONGSTANDING CONCERNS THAT RESIDENTS HAVE HAD FOR SO LONG.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
HI, MY NAME IS LAURA GARAFALO.
I AM, UH, THE PTA PRESIDENT AT SOUTH POINT ELEMENTARY.
UM, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND OTHER PARENTS AT THE SCHOOL.
THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE FOR EVERY FAMILY, CHILD AND RESIDENT IS PUBLIC SAFETY.
UM, I MOVED FROM NEW YORK CITY WHERE I GREW UP IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES AT THE HEIGHT OF THE HOMELESS EPIDEMIC.
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT DROPPING A HOMELESS SHELTER IN THE MIDDLE, I'M SORRY.
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT DROPPING A HOMELESS SHELTER IN THE MIDDLE OF A COMMUNITY DOES NOT WORK.
THESE ARE MENTALLY ILL DRUG AND ALCOHOL ADDICTED PEOPLE WHO NEED SOCIAL SERVICES AND MEDICAL ATTENTION.
AS A PARENT, WE ARE FAILING OUR CHILDREN.
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WE'RE ALSO FAILING THESE HOMELESS PEOPLE WHO NEED MORE THAN JUST A FLOP HOUSE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS HOSTILE IS.THEY ARE NOT GIVEN SAID RESOURCES.
THEY'RE DEFECATING IN OUR PARKS.
I'VE WITNESSED PSYCHOTIC OUTBURSTS THAT QUITE LITERALLY TERRIFIED MY 8-YEAR-OLD SON AND HIS FRIENDS.
I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROPOSED PROJECT AND ITS APPROVAL.
IT'S OUR ONLY CHANCE TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE A PERMANENT HOMELESS SHELTER IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR DENTIST RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR NEXT PUBLIC SPEAKER IS WAYNE.
WAYNE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS.
GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
UM, I WASN'T GONNA SPEAK BUT I WANTED TO, UM, MAKE MY THOUGHTS KNOWN.
UM, I WAS AT MR. OH ONE AND TWO YOUNG MEN WERE SITTING NEXT TO MEETING THEIR PIZZA AND THEY'RE THE SILENT MAJORITY AND THEY LIVE ON WEST AVENUE.
AND THEY STATED THAT, UH, THEY'RE IN COMPLETE FAVOR OF THE, UH, PROJECT BECAUSE, UM, THEY, THEY JUST INVESTED THEIR LIFE SAVINGS INTO THEIR CONDO.
AND, UM, AND THEY FEEL THAT, UH, THE HOST, THE HOSTILE AND THE BAY WALK IMPROVEMENTS WOULD, UM, HAVE A, A POSITIVE EFFECT ON THEIR, THEIR NET WORTH.
AND IF I WAS YOUNG ONCE, AND I LISTENED TO THEM AND, AND, AND I, I, I SAW MYSELF IN THAT AT THAT AGE AND I FELT THAT, UM, THEY WERE RIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I DID IT ON A CHALKBOARD, I, I LOVE GAIL DURHAM, I LOVE SUSANNA, UM, AND THAT TEAM OF PEOPLE THAT REALLY CARE ABOUT WEST AVENUE.
UM, BUT UM, I REALLY THINK IT'S MORE LIKE A 50 50 SPLIT ON WEST AVENUE IN TERMS OF, UH, PEOPLE WANTING IT VERSUS NOT WANTING IT.
UM, MICHAEL STERN CAME DOWN IN HEIGHT FROM THREE 80 TO THREE 30.
I WAS A DEFINITE NO, AT THREE 30.
UM, IF I KNOW MICHAEL, HE IS A RESIDENT NOW ON BAY ROAD AND, UM, IF HE WOULD BE THE TWO THINGS, UH, ALEX SAID THAT HE WANTED MORE MONEY FOR THE RENTERS.
I THINK HE SAID THREE MONTHS INITIALLY IS, IS WHAT IT EXISTS TODAY.
UM, HE COULD PROBABLY, I HOPEFULLY, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S HIS MONEY.
HE COULD, HE CAN UH, SWEETEN THAT, UH, THAT OFFER FOR RENTERS INSIDE OF THAT, UH, BUILDING TODAY.
BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S A PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND IF 99% OF THE OWNERS WANT TO SELL, YOU KNOW, IT IS TIME.
AND, UH, THAT'S, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I APOLOGIZE FOR YOUR TIME IS UP.
YOU HAVE TO STATE YOUR NAME IN TWO MINUTES PLEASE.
SUSANNA OV 1200 WEST AVENUE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WEST AVENUE.
AND THAT WILL DEDICATE MY TIME, UH, TO ANY, JUST TO SPEAK FOR A FEW EXTRA SECONDS.
I'M SORRY, YOUR NAME, I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME.
SO SOMETHING COMMISSIONER SUAREZ SAID AT THE APRIL COMMISSION MEETING, AND AGAIN HERE TODAY I FIND QUITE DISTURBING THAT IS THAT THIS COMMISSION IS SELLING ZONING.
SO WE ARE CONTEMPLATING SELLING ZONING FROM 150.
SO LET'S BE CLEAR, 150 IS THE HEIGHT LIMIT AS OF RIGHT IN THIS AREA.
NOT 420 COMING DOWN TO 330 IS ONE 50.
AND THANK YOU, TOM, FOR THAT HISTORY LESSON ON HOW WE GOT TO THAT BECAUSE RESIDENTS WERE FED UP WITH THE OVERDEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, ALSO WE HAVE MANY NEGATIVE OPINIONS THAT THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO CONTEMPLATE OVERRULING, INCLUDING TOM MOONEY'S PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WHICH GAVE THIS PROPOSAL AN OVERWHELMINGLY NEGATIVE ASSESSMENT LAST YEAR IN ITS REPORT.
AND EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE PLANNING BOARD GAVE A NEGATIVE ASSESSMENT OF THIS PROJECT.
AND ALSO WE HAVE HERE 126 SIGNATURES, WHICH ARE ON A PETITION FROM RESIDENTS OF WEST AVENUE, OUR FRIENDS, OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE SIGNED ONTO THIS PETITION, UM, IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSAL AS IS PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY.
SO, UM, TO BE CLEAR, WE WOULDN'T OPPOSE ANOTHER BUILDING AT 1250, BUT WE JUST ASK THAT IT BE BUILT AS OF RIGHT.
AND, UM, WE ALSO WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD PREFER THAT IT WEREN'T CONFLATED WITH OTHER ISSUES SUCH AS, UM, FINISHING SEGMENTS OF THE BAY WALK AND THE BIKINI HOSTEL.
BUT IT IS, UM, SO AS FAR AS THE BIKINI HOSTEL GOES, I FIND IT DISTURBING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE ON SOMETHING TODAY, WHICH YOU DO NOT HAVE, UM, FULL DISCLOSURE ON BECAUSE AN NDA IS BASICALLY CONCEALING THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE OWNER OF BIKINI HOSTEL.
AND IT'S BEEN PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE THAT THE OWNER OF BIKINI HOSTEL HAS ALREADY PLEDGED.
HE'S A PORTION OF THE PROCEEDS OF THIS SALE TO BUY ANOTHER PROPERTY WHERE HE WILL CONTINUE THE PRACTICE OF HOME OF HOUSING HOMELESS
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INDIVIDUALS.NOW, EVEN IF HE DOESN'T DO THAT ON MIAMI BEACH, YOU CAN BET THAT ANOTHER DEVELOPER WILL FOLLOW SUIT BECAUSE THEY WILL SEE THIS AS A WINNING PROPOSITION AND A BLUEPRINT GOING FORWARD.
SO ALONG THOSE LINES, BECAUSE WE ARE CREATING A, A PERVERSE INCENTIVE AND REALLY REWARDING A BAD BEHAVIOR BY ALLOWING SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SO HERE WE HAVE A LETTER FROM MR. BERG, WHO IS AN INVESTOR AT 1250 WHO OWNS FIVE UNITS THERE AND WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN FACILITATING THE BULK SALE OF THAT PROJECT.
WHO IS LAYING OUT A DETAILED PLAN FOR HOW THAT CAN HAPPEN AT 800 WEST, WHICH IS THE SOUTH BAY CLUB.
NOW, JUST TO EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS SUCH A LUCRATIVE PROJECT HERE WE HAVE SOUTH BAY CLUB, IT'S ON THE WATER, BUT IT'S NOT JUST THIS, THAT THE ANY FUTURE DEVELOPER WOULD BE INTERESTED IN.
IT'S THESE SURFACE PARKING LOTS.
THESE GO ALONG WITH SOUTH BAY CLUB AND YOU CAN BE SURE THAT THE SAME STRATEGY OF TRANSFERRING FAR FROM ONE PARCEL TO ANOTHER WILL BE REQUESTED AT AT 800 WEST, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW, EXCEPT FOR WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS, UH, THIS QUASI IDEA OF PURCHASING ANOTHER PROPERTY IN ORDER TO AGGREGATE FAR FOR THE TRANSFER HERE.
AND COINCIDENTALLY, IRONICALLY, THIS PARCEL RIGHT HERE IS ALREADY A HOSTILE.
SO WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU PLEASE DO NOT APPROVE THIS PROJECT AS PRESENTED TODAY.
AND YOU HELP US PRESERVE, UM, THE SORT OF HOMETOWN AND, UH, CHARACTER THAT WEST AVENUE HAS TODAY.
OUR NEXT UH, ZOOM SPEAKER IS REMA GERHARD STATE YOUR FULL NAME ADDRESS SO YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
HELLO IS RMA GERHARD AND I RESIDE AT 1345 WEST AVENUE.
UH, I HAVE TWO CHILDREN THAT GO TO SCHOOLS LOCALLY AND UM, I'M ALSO A BOARD MEMBER AND I WOULD LIKE TO STATE MY SUPPORT.
I HAVE REALLY COME AROUND ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, THE BIKINI HOSTEL, UH, HAS ATTRACTED A LOT OF CRIME INTO THIS AREA.
I SEE IT PERSONALLY, UM, AT OUR LOCATION, WHICH IS A BLOCK AWAY.
UM, SO I'M JUST CALLING HERE TO SAY THAT AFTER I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
YOU READY? UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE AREA.
HI, I AM RABBI LIK I THINK YOU ALL KNOW ME VERY WELL.
UM, I'M REALLY HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PUBLIC REALLY NEEDS TO HEAR THIS.
THE BIKINI HOSTEL, YOU GUYS, I MEAN THE COMMISSIONERS, I'VE SENT YOU ALL VIDEOS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND THE GUY SAID HE'S FROM BIKINI HOSTEL ON 44TH AND PINE TREE SUNSET HARBOR IS INFESTED.
I'VE HIRED SOMEONE JUST TO WATCH THE AREA THIS LAST EPISODE.
I DUNNO IF YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS, JOE, UM, ABOUT THE HOMELESS.
WE FOUND LIVING IN FRESH MARKET IN THE UTILITY ROOM WITH PROPANE CANS, THE WHOLE BUILDING COULD HAVE BLOWN UP.
AND I ONLY KNOW THIS BECAUSE TOUCH A CLASS WHICH IS ADJACENT TOLD ME THAT THERE'S PEOPLE GOING INTO THE BUILDING AND WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THEM.
I MEAN, I HANDLED ACTUALLY HAVING THEM ESCORTED OUT.
THIS GOES ON ON A REGULAR BASIS.
UM, I MYSELF, SO IT'S NOT ANYBODY ELSE IN SUNSET HARBOR ARE, I MEAN, THERE'S, THEY'RE DEFECATING.
I MEAN, IT'S REALLY GOTTEN BAD AND I'VE CALLED THE CITY MANAGER MANY TIMES AND WHAT HAVE YOU SAID? THERE'S NOT MUCH.
WHAT HAVE YOU SAID TO ME WHEN I'VE CALLED YOU ABOUT THE HOMELESS? I I'VE TOLD YOU THAT.
THERE ARE VERY, THERE ARE VERY FEW THINGS IN OUR TOOLBOX THAT WE CAN UTILIZE.
SO WHAT I DID WAS I REACHED OUT TO MAYOR KAVA.
RABBI ZALMAN, JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BIKINI HOSTEL, OBVIOUSLY CORRECT.
WE HAVE TOOLBOX, WE HAVE TOOLS IN OLD TOOLBOX THAT HANDLE HOMELESS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BIKINI HOSTEL? OF COURSE I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BIKINI HOSTEL.
I'M TALKING ABOUT ALSO THE HOMELESS THAT ARE IN WHERE YOU THINK THEY'RE COMING FROM.
WHEN I MOVED THERE IN 1978 OR 79, LINCOLN ROAD IS FULL OF HOMELESS.
THE WHOLE BEACH WAS FULL OF HOMELESS YEARS AGO.
BUT IN, IN, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT LIKE THIS FOR THE LAST WHILE.
AND I'VE, SO I REACHED OUT TO MAYOR CARA'S OFFICE 'CAUSE MY OLDEST BROTHER, WHO'S THE RABBI IN COCONUT GROVE IS CLOSE TO HER.
SHE RESPONDED, PUT ME IN TOUCH WITH VICTORIA MALLET, IF I'M PRONOUNCING HER NAME CORRECT.
AND I SENT HER ALL THE VIDEOS, ALL THE PICTURES AND EVERYTHING, NOT JUST MESSAGES, ALL VIDEOS.
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HAS IT AND SHE'S IDENTIFIED SOME FROM THE BIKINI HOSPITAL.MOST ARE NOT FROM THE BIKINI HOSTEL WAS BACK AND FORTH.
JUST GIMME ANOTHER FEW SECONDS.
BUT BASICALLY SHE, THESE ARE HER WORDS AND I'M GONNA QUOTE IT NOT EXACT.
SHE SAID, I HOPE TO DEVELOP ISN'T THE DEVELOPER, I HOPE THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO CLOSE ON THE BIKINI HOSTEL.
SO NOTHING'S BEEN DONE WITH THAT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY ALMOST DISTURBING TO HEAR.
I'M TELLING YOU WHAT SHE TOLD ME.
I'M NOT EMBARRASSED TO SAY IT BY THE WAY.
I GIVE YOU CREDIT BECAUSE I ONLY, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE, WE ARE A HAMSTRING HERE.
AND I'M, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.
THIS IS PROBABLY MY BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
NOT ONLY THE WAY THE HOMELESS JUSTICE HANDLED THIS, BUT THAT NOBODY, NOBODY FROM THE STATE, NOBODY FROM THE COUNTY.
AND I MADE EVERY EFFORTS, AND I'M SURE SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAS TRIED TO INTERVENE AND HELP US.
THIS IS A COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE PLACE.
NOT JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS OF MIAMI BEACH, BUT FOR THE HOMELESS THEMSELVES.
CAMILLA'S HOUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE THEY CAME FROM, AND BY THE WAY, WHICH IS WILLING TO ACCEPT THEM.
AND THIS COMMISSION IS WILLING TO SUBSIDIZE THE PAYMENT.
BUT WE CAN, WE CAN'T MOVE THEM.
WE CAN'T FORCEFULLY MOVE THEM.
IT IS AN APPROPRIATE FACILITY TO HELP PEOPLE.
AND I'VE TOURED THE CAMILLA'S HOUSE, YOU'RE A HUNDRED, IT'S OUTSTANDING FACILITY.
BEING ON THE CORNER OF THE STREET AND JUST HANGING OUT ON THE CORNER OF WEST AVENUE AND HAVING COMMENTS MADE TO AS, AS WE HEARD FROM, UH, FROM FROM MS MAGAZINE.
IT'S JUST IT THAT, IT'S JUST, I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT OTHERS DID NOT.
AND WHEN I SAY OTHERS, I MEAN EVERYONE INVOLVED IN ANY CAPACITY OF LEADERSHIP HAS NOT STEPPED UP.
AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO EVERYBODY.
I I CAN A FEW MORE QUESTION BECAUSE, SO YOU, YOU SAID THAT MS. MILLETTE WAS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE MIAMI-DADE COUNTY HOMELESS TRUST.
I'M IN TOUCH WITH HER WITH WHATSAPP AND SHE SAID THAT SHE HOPES MY FIRST CONVERSATION WITH HER, SHE SAID SHE HOPES THE DEVELOPER.
SHE SAYS, ISN'T A DEVELOPER AGAIN, DON'T QUOTE ME EXACTLY, BUT SHE SAID, ISN'T A DEVELOPER CLOSING ON THE BIKINI HOSTEL? I SAID, THAT'S NOT A DONE DEAL.
THEY'RE STILL GOING BACK WITH, YOU KNOW, MONIES AND THIS AND 30 FEET, 40 FEET.
I I MEAN, I'M NOT INVOLVED IN ANY OF THAT.
BUT SHE SAID SHE HOPES THE DEVELOPMENT CLOSES THAT YES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SHE TOLD ME.
YOU COULD, I COULD PUT HER, I I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE COMMISSIONER FE, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHOULD I PUT HER ON? I THINK WHERE COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ IS GOING, THIS IS WHY WOULD THE HOMELESS TRUST CARE WHETHER A DEVELOPMENT, THEY COULD MOVE THE INDIVIDUALS ANYWAY.
I MEAN, YOU WANT ME TO PUT ON A I QUOTE CORRECTLY.
THEY'RE GONNA BE WHERE IF, IF THIS CLOSES, THEY'RE GONNA BE AT A LOSS.
THIS IS PART OF THEIR HOTEL PROGRAM.
SO THEIR HOTEL PROGRAM IS GONNA SUFFER THIS CLOSES.
SO IT'S JUST, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT PERPLEXING, A LITTLE BIT PUZZLING WHY THE HOMELESS TRUST EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WOULD HAVE A POSITION AS TO WHETHER THIS CLOSES OR NOT.
SHE SAID TO ME, 'CAUSE WE HAD A VERY NICE CONVERSATION BACK AND FORTH AND I WAS SENDING HER ALL THE, BECAUSE MAYOR KAVA ASKED HER TO GET INVOLVED AND TALK TO ME AND DEAL WITH ME.
AND I SENT HER ALL THE VIDEOS.
'CAUSE LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING.
I'M CONCERNED THAT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS THERE'S GOING TO BE A TRAGIC, TRAGIC EPISODE THAT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO REVERSE THIS HOMELESS GUY THAT WAS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE FROM 44TH AND PINE TREE THAT IDENTIFIED HIMSELF THAT HE WAS FROM THE BIKINI HOSPITAL.
DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO? JUST TO BE CLEAR, HE, HE CAME IN, YOU SHOWED ME THE VIDEO.
HE CAME IN FROM OUT OF TOWN AND HE SAID HE WAS, HE NEVER WAS AT THE BIKINI.
HE SAID HE HEARD ABOUT THE BIKINI HOUSE AND WAS GOING THERE.
HE ACTUALLY STAYED THERE ACCORDING TO VICTORIA.
HE ACTUALLY STAYED THERE, UH, OVERNIGHT OR SOMETHING.
I DIDN'T EXACT EXACT THE DETAILS.
THE POINT IS SOMEONE LIKE THAT, GOD FORBID YOU SAW HE SAID HE FLEW THERE.
ARE YOU WAITING FOR A TRAGIC SITUATION WHERE A CHILD GETS MOLESTED OVER THE JEWISH HOLIDAY OF SCHWAR, WHICH WAS SUNDAY NIGHT, I CAME HOME FROM ISRAEL SUNDAY MORNING, MONDAY AND TUESDAY.
I DID NOT ALLOW MY GRANDCHILDREN WHO I NORMALLY GO TO SYNAGOGUE ON 40 STREET.
I DIDN'T ALLOW THEM TO GO THEMSELVES.
YEAH, BUT, AND BY THE WAY, AND WHY, I'M TELLING YOU WHY BECAUSE I AM CONCERNED OF WHAT I'M SEEING.
BUT, BUT WHAT, WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS, AND AND OBVIOUSLY UNFORTUNATELY OUR HANDS ARE TIED BECAUSE THERE'S AN AUTHORITY THAT WE DO NOT HAVE JURISDICTION OVER.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS NEVER SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN TO THIS SITUATION.
I GIVE YOU THE CREDIT THAT YOU ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO THE HOMELESS TRUST.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T, THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WHAT'S LIKE, WHAT'S THE HOMELESS, WHY WOULD I GO TO 'EM? I I'M NOT BLAMING ANYBODY, BUT AT LEAST YOU DID.
THAT BEING SAID, WE, THE FACT THAT WE'RE BEING FORCED TO MAKE THIS DECISION IS A GROSS INJUSTICE.
IT IS A BREAKDOWN IN OUR SYSTEM OF COLOSSAL FAILURE.
AND I'M POINTING THE FINGER AT EVERYONE.
THIS IS A COLOSSAL FAILURE ON THE PART OF EVERYONE INVOLVED THAT THIS HOMELESS, IT IS A TRAGEDY TO THE HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS THEMSELVES.
ANYBODY WHO WALKS BY THERE AND GOES SEE IT.
I HEARD THEY'RE SLEEPING SIX IN A ROOM.
WITH NO CURFEW, WITH A BAR, WITH ALCOHOL IN THE MIDDLE, WITH YOU'RE DEALING
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WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE ADDICTIONS AND MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS. IT'S SICK.AND I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, IN SUNSET HARBOR WHERE I SPEND MY TIME, WHERE A LOT OF MY TENANTS ARE, I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP THEM SAFE.
I MEAN, I MEAN I SPOKE TO DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE AND HONESTLY, I'M, I I AM ACTUALLY ASKING, ONCE AGAIN, THE HOMELESS TRUSTEE MAKE THIS DECISION.
WE SHOULD MAKE A DECISION INDEPENDENT OF THE BIKINI HOSPITAL IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE FACILITY FOR THE HOMELESS AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE HOMELESS AND ALSO OUR RENAISSANCE.
THEY SHOULD BE MOVED TO THE CAMILLA'S HOUSE.
WE WERE NEGOTIATING, WE OFFERED TO SUBSIDIZE SOME OF THE PAYMENT.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, I JUST RECEIVED A TEXT MESSAGE FROM MS. MILLETT SAYING THAT SHE DID NOT SAY THAT THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT SHE JUST TEXTED, BUT SHE DID NOT SAY THE WHAT WHAT DID SHE NOT SAY? I, I JUST GOT A TEXT.
I KNOW SHE'S LISTENING TO THIS.
SO CAN I PUT HER ON, I PUT HER ON THE PHONE.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU, I JUST, I'M VERY TRANSPARENT.
I'LL PUT HER ON THE PHONE, GOT TEXT MESSAGE FROM HER.
WANNA ASK IF SHE'S IN TOUCH WITH ME THROUGH VIA WHATSAPP.
I JUST WANNA END OFF LIKE THIS, THE FACT THAT THIS DEVELOPER IS WILLING TO DO THE BAY WALK, WHICH, WHO THE HELL KNOWS WHAT'S THAT'S GONNA COST AND, AND THE FACT THAT THE BIKINI HOST WILL GO AWAY, TO ME, THAT'S A WIN-WIN.
AND I'M, I'M, I'M ONLY INTERESTED.
I APPRECIATE OUR NEXT VIRTUAL SPEAKER IS BRANDY.
BRANDY, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
I SERVE ON THE BOARD AT BABY PARIS ASSOCIATION, 1228 WEST AVENUE DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR TO 1250 WEST.
I'VE LIVED AT BAYVIEW TERRACE FOR OVER 10 YEARS AND HAVE BEEN A MIAMI BEACH RESIDENT FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
I CONCUR WITH THE SEDIMENT OF MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS THAT SPOKE EARLIER THIS EVENING.
BOTH MICHAEL AND JESSICA, OUR BUILDING IS COMPRISED OF 195 UNITS MOST WITH SPECTACULAR VIEWS OF THE BAY OCEAN AND MIAMI BEACH.
WE WISH TO PRESERVE THESE VIEWS.
THIS IS ONE FACTOR THAT ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT LEADS US TO SUPPORT THE TOWER DESIGN.
THE SETBACKS DETAILED IN THE TOWER DESIGN PLANS WILL CONSERVE OUR PRECIOUS VIEWS.
WEST AVENUE IS ALREADY OVERPOPULATED AND CAR TRAFFIC IS TAXING AT BEST.
THE 1250 TOWER DESIGN WILL HOUSE FEWER UNITS THAN IF IT WERE BUILT.
WE SUPPORT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT PACKAGE.
THE MOST PROMINENT COMPONENT OF THIS PACKAGE IS THE ELIMINATION OF THE BIKINI HOSTEL.
THE BIKINI HOSTEL HAS BEEN A NUISANCE SINCE ITS INCEPTION MANY YEARS AGO AND MORE ELITE RECENTLY.
IT SERVES AS A NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE.
HOMELESS SHELTER, A PARK WOULD BE A WELCOMED ADDITION TO AN ALREADY OVERPOPULATED NEIGHBORHOOD.
PUBLIC BENEFITS BASH PACKAGE ALSO INCLUDES THE COMPLETION OF THE MISSING PORTIONS OF THE BAY WALK.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ACTUALLY USING A COMPLETED BAY WALK SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
IN SHORT, WE DO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF 1250.
MY NAME IS MARIANAO AND I LIVE IN FLAMENGO BAY POINT.
SO IT'S IN BAY ROAD, BUT IT'S RIGHT WHERE WEST AVENUE CONTINUES.
I CAME HERE TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE 1250 WEST AVENUE DEVELOPMENT.
AND I NEED TO SAY, WHEN I ARRIVED HERE EARLIER, JUST LISTENING MOSTLY THE NEGOTIATION ABOUT THE FINANCIAL TRADE OFFS AND THE HIGH WITH MUCH LESS ATTENTION ON THE REAL LIVED EXPERIENCE AND THE SAFETY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT FELT A BIT SAD.
UH, AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT IN MY SIDE, IT PLAYS GREATER VALUE ON OUR SAFETY, OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND I DON'T THINK 30 FEET IS WORTH THIS.
UH, THIS LEADS TO THE BEACON HOSTEL PROJECT AT THE REMOVAL OF IT, WHICH FOR YEARS HAS BEEN OPERATED AS A HOMELESS SHELTER, AS MOST OF US HERE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THIS ABSO ABSOLUTELY IMPACTS THE DAILY, THE DAILY REALITY OF EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHO LIVES HERE.
UH, BUT ALSO SOMETHING TO MENTION TO SAY THIS NOT ONLY BENEFITS A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO SOMETHING THAT SUPPORTS AS A COMMUNITY, MAKING OUR STREETS SAFER, CLEANER, AND MORE LIVABLE FOR EVERYONE.
I MOVE OVER HERE FROM BRAZIL, SO I KNOW WHAT IS SAFE TO MEANS, AND I CAME HERE FOR LIVE A BETTER LIFE, MORE OPPORTUNITIES, SAFER PLACE.
WHEN I FINALLY ARRIVED HERE, I FELT LIKE US WAS MY PLACE WHERE I WANT TO LIVE AND EVERYTHING.
BUT I SEE THE SHIFTS HAPPENING.
AND JUST TODAY, THIS MORNING, I WAS WALKING BACK FOR TRADE JOELS WHERE WE ARE HAVING LIKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS IN WEST AVENUE.
AND I DID FEEL LIKE UNSAFE FOR LIKE A SITUATION WITH TWO GUYS THAT WAS ACTING VERY WEIRD IN THE STREETS.
I DID RECORD A QUICK VIDEO I COULD SHARE, BUT I DIDN'T FEEL SAFE.
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STRAIGHT, CAME BACK TO MY PLACE.I DUNNO WHERE THEY'RE FROM, BUT LIKE, I THINK WE DO NEED TO LOOK FOR SAFER PLACE HERE.
I'M A SINGLE WOMAN, I'M ALONE, AND I DO WANNA LIVE IN A PLACE WHERE I FEEL SAFE.
UM, MOMENTS LIKE THIS THAT THEY WERE FROM THE BEGINNING, I, I DUNNO, BUT I WANNA FEEL SAFE WHERE I LIVE AND I LIVE IN FLEMING BAY POINT.
UH, MOMENTS LIKE THIS REALLY REMIND ME OF SOMETHING SIMPLE.
UH, WE ALL WANNA LIVE IN A PLACE WHERE WE FEEL SAFE.
IT'S A UNIVERSAL DESIRE TO PROTECT OURSELVES, OUR LOVED ONES, AND THE SENSE OF PEACE, WHERE WE FEEL WE BELIEVE, AND BECAUSE IF HEALTH AND SAFETY ARE TAKEN FROM US, WHAT ELSE DO WE REALLY HAVE? THANK YOU.
I'M A RESIDENT OF, UH, SIX 50 WEST AVENUE AND A LOCAL RESTAURANT OWNER.
I FULLY SUPPORT THAT, UH, PROJECT, UH, 1250 WEST AVENUE, ESPECIALLY THE PLAN THAT TO PLACE THAT BIKINI HOUSE, UH, WITH A PUBLIC PARK, IT'S DEFINITELY URGENT, UH, SINCE IT'S UNBEARABLE, UH, TO PASS EVEN THAT AREA NOW.
AND ME AS A SINGLE DAD, UH, FATHER OF A SON WHO IS 10 YEARS OLD, I REALLY DON'T FEEL, UH, SAFE.
THE HOSPITAL HAS BROUGHT ONGOING ISSUES THAT HURT THE LOCAL BUSINESSES AS WELL, ESPECIALLY HERE IN SUNSET HARBOR.
AND, UH, IT, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A SAFETY PLACE ANYMORE.
AND THIS PROJECT OFFERS A REAL SOLUTION AND BRING A NEW ENERGY IN RESIDENCE AND COMPLETELY AN IMPROVEMENT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I THINK THERE SHOULDN'T BE EVEN A BRAINER TO, TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
UH, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD, UH, PLEASE, UH, UH, ASK THE, THE, THE COMMISSIONERS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT ASAP.
I LIVE AT 1300 MONAD TERRACE, AND I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF SOBE WEST ASSOCIATION.
I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT IN FAVOR OF THE FIRST READING OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
WHY AM I IN FAVOR OF THIS AGREEMENT? BECAUSE THE PUBLIC BENEFITS ARE COMPELLING, THEY'RE COMPELLING.
THEY'VE BEEN THE SUBJECT OF A LOT OF NEGOTIATION DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WITH THE DEVELOPER, WITH THE CITY, WITH THE COMMISSIONERS.
AND IT'S A PROCESS OF NEGOTIATION AND COMPROMISE.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S OCCURRING EVEN HERE TONIGHT.
THAT'S BEEN IMPORTANT TO US FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
THESE PUBLIC BENEFITS ARE COMPELLING.
PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THE BIKINI HOSTEL.
THERE IS NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THE BIKINI HOSTEL.
BUT TO ADOPT THIS PROPOSAL WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THERE'S NO OTHER SOLUTION.
EVERYBODY'S THOUGHT AND TALKED ABOUT OTHER SOLUTIONS.
THIS IS A DETRIMENT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT HAS BEEN FOR MANY YEARS, BUT SINCE THE, UH, THEY BROUGHT THE, THE HOMELESS PEOPLE INTO THE BIKINI HOSPITAL IN NOVEMBER, IT'S GOTTEN WORSE.
IT ATTRACTS MORE HOMELESS PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH THE SNEAKER BEFORE ME WAS TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S NOT JUST THE PEOPLE THAT STATE THE BIKINI HOSPITAL, BUT THERE'S MORE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE HOMELESS.
I FIND PEOPLE SLEEPING IN THE STREET.
I HAVE TO KNOCK ON THE DOOR WINDOW OF THE POLICE TO TELL THEM THAT THE PEOPLE ARE SLEEPING IN THE STREET TO GET THEM OUT OF THE STREET.
THIS IS A COMPELLING REASON FOR US TO, TO, TO GO FORWARD WITH, WITH THE FIRST READING.
SO IS THE BAY WALK FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED TONIGHT.
SO ALSO FOR THE RESIDENTS OF 1250 THEMSELVES.
THESE PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN A BUILDING THAT CONTINUES TO DETERIORATE.
AND, AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, THAT WE ALSO TAKE CARE OF THEM.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
ONE LAST THING ABOUT THE BIKINI HOSPITAL.
IT'S IN INFESTED WITH LITTER THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE EATING THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY NOW.
THERE'S A BLUE TARP ON THE ROOF BECAUSE LAST WEEK WITH THE RAIN, THE ROOFS BEGAN TO LEAK.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS SO YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
I AM ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS AT 1245 WEST AVENUE.
I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF, UH, APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT AT 1250 WEST AVENUE.
WE'VE BEEN, UH, DEALING WITH A LOT OF THE HOMELESS ISSUES DIRECTLY SINCE THEY'RE DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR TO US.
WE'VE CONSTANTLY HAD HOMELESS PEOPLE COMING OVER, DOING DRUGS RIGHT BEHIND OUR BUILDING.
THEY'VE BEEN BLOCKING OUR ENTRANCES TO THE BUILDING, UH, AND CAUSED, UH, A LOT OF NUISANCE FOR US.
WE UNDERSTAND THE CITY NEEDS SOME KIND OF, UH, TO GET SOMETHING BACK FOR THE VARIANCE, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 30 FOOT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING AND THE
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LAW, AND JUST TO GET RID OF THIS ISSUE.WE THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD GO FOR IT.
MY NAME IS ISABEL JARIN AND I LIVE AT 1250 WEST AVENUE.
LIVING HERE HAS GIVEN ME A FRONT ROW SEAT TO THE ISSUES WITH THIS PROPERTY.
THE BUILDING IN IS IN VERY POOR SHAPE.
WE DEAL WITH FREQUENT PLUMBING ISSUES AND OUR UPDATED INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOLD ISSUES.
BUT WHAT'S ACTUALLY REALLY TROUBLING IS WHAT HAPPENS JUST OUTSIDE OF OUR DOORS.
THE BIKINI HOSTEL HAS BROUGHT A CONSTANT OF DISRUPTIVE ACTIVITY.
WE SEE PEOPLE GETTING HAIRCUTS ON THE SIDES OF THE STREETS AND INDIVIDUALS SLEEPING OR HANGING AROUND THE PROPERTY.
AND NOT ONLY THERE, WE ARE WITNESSING INCIDENTS WITH INDIVIDUALS, EVEN BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE BIKINI HOSTEL, FROM STEALING SCOOTERS OR BIKES TO PHYSICAL ASSAULT OR HARASSMENT.
I OFTEN DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE LIKE WALKING AROUND MY OWN HOME AS I WORK IN SUNSET HARBOR, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT.
THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE REALITY FOR ANYONE.
AND COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE'S MOTHER SAID SOMETHING VERY SMART BECAUSE WE'RE ARGUING ABOUT 30 FEET.
BUT IS THAT WHERE YOUR RESIDENTS ARE WORTH? THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT IS MORE THAN WELCOME.
IT'S NECESSARY IT'S CHANCE TO BRING REAL IMPROVEMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND YES, I CAN MOVE OUT OF 1250 AND FIND AN APARTMENT IN THE AREA FOR A SIMILAR PRICE, BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE UNSAFE CONDITIONS THAT WILL PERSIST.
OUR NEXT VIRTUAL SPEAKER IS ERIC MARSHALL.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME, UH, COMMISSIONERS AND, AND, AND EVERYONE IS INVOLVED.
UH, JUST A COUPLE POINTS OF OBSERVATION, JUST AS I LISTENED TONIGHT FOR MEETING, AFTER MEETING.
UM, ARE WE PAYING THE POLICE OFFICER OUTSIDE THE BIKINI HOSTEL? I MEAN, I, I I THINK, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IMPUTING.
NO, NO ONE WANTS TO HOMELESS THERE AND IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION, BUT I MEAN, I, I TOO WALK BY THERE AND I HAVEN'T SEEN CAT CALLING OR YELLS OR SCREAMS OR, I MEAN, THERE'S A POLICE OFFICER SITTING RIGHT THERE 24 7.
UH, ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS A FEW MONTHS AGO WAS THAT WE WERE PAYING THE 35,000 TO THAT POLICE OFFICER.
IF ALL THOSE THINGS WERE REALLY HAPPENING, COULD WE PLEASE STOP PAYING THAT POLICE OFFICER? I, I BEG YOU, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE BAY WALK, DO WE, ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THE 800, UH, BLOCK THAT SOUTH BEACH? I THINK COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE POINTED OUT A VERY VALID POINT, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THAT, WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA BUILD IT OVER THE WATER OR IS THAT FOOL'S GOAL THAT IT'LL ACTUALLY BE BUILT? UH, I'M AWFULLY CONCERNED WITH REGARDS TO THAT COMPLETION OF IT.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GET US ALL THE WAY THERE TO THE VERY END.
AS ALWAYS, APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING THE TIME AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THE LAST ONE I WOULD SAY IS IT'S NOT 30 FEET, IT'S 180 FEET IS WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR.
IT WAS ONE 50 TO THREE 30 OR THREE 30 TO 300.
AGAIN, THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME AND APPRECIATE GO AHEAD, SIR.
UH, MY NAME'S UH, JOE MAGAZINE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS, AND, UH, AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY, MAYOR, ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE STATE AND HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO DEAL WITH IT, DEAL WITH HIM.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT IS THE TWO BUSY TRASHING YOU ONLINE, YOU AND THE COMMISSIONERS AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
INSTEAD OF TAKING A POSITION ON SOMETHING, UH, SATURDAY NIGHT, SOMETHING HAPPENED, IT WOULD BELIEVE IT.
I'M STILL, WE WERE STILL BLOWN AWAY ABOUT IT.
THE CITY OF MIAMI HAD A BIG GALA EVENT SATURDAY NIGHT, AND THESE GUYS ARE IN THE MEETING AND THEY'RE ALL DRESSED UP IN TUXES AND FINE FORM WEAR AND ALL, AND THEY'RE ALL GIVING THE THEMSELVES KUDOS.
AND, HEY, LOOK WHAT WE DID ABOUT THE HOMELESS SITUATION HERE IN MIAMI.
YOU KNOW WHY THAT IS? BECAUSE THEY SEND OVER TO OUR, OUR, OUR PLACE WHERE WE LIVE ON WEST AVENUE AND EVERYTHING.
AND I'M A, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS.
I'M A LITTLE TIRED ABOUT GETTING TREATED LIKE A REDHEADED STEPCHILD.
AND THESE TWO WOMEN THAT WERE HERE, AND THEY CAME AND THEY MOVED FROM NEW YORK, BOTH OF 'EM BASICALLY TOLD YOU WHY THEY, THEY LEFT NEW YORK.
I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN IN PHILADELPHIA.
I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN IN NEW YORK.
YOU DON'T GET A A HANDLE ON THIS.
THEY SAID 150, A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED HOMELESS PEOPLE OVER HERE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT 30 FEET BECAUSE THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANYBODY HERE TO BUY THOSE UNITS.
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE MOST FRUSTRATING IS WE, AND I SAY WE COLLECTIVELY OUR COMMISSION AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR HOMELESS OUTREACH, AT THE LAST COUNT, WE HAD LITERALLY THE LOWEST NUMBERS OR CLOSE TO THE LOWEST NUMBERS WE'VE EVER HAD ON RECORD.
A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE WERE AT TWO 50, THE COUNT, WE WERE DOWN TO 1 0 5.
YOU HAVE THE HOMELESS TRUST THAT'S SUPPOSED TO CARE FOR THE HOMELESS.
AND THIS IS NOT IT, IT'S NOT YOU MADE, YOU ARE ON YOUR WAY.
AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE RIGHT PLACE IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND YOU, YOU WERE ON YOUR WAY UNTIL THEY MOVED THEM
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HERE TOO.THINGS WERE GETTING, YEAH, IT WOULD'VE GOTTEN EVEN LOWER.
IT WOULD'VE EVEN GOTTEN LOWER.
OUR, OUR POLICE AND HOMELESS OUTREACH TEAM WERE DOING, WERE DOING A GREAT JOB.
CAN I SAY SOMETHING? AND BY THE WAY, IT'S STILL MANY AND STILL MANY PARTS OF THE CITY.
'CAUSE LINCOLN ROAD, FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S UH, IT'S, IT'S CLEAN.
IT'S ACTUALLY, WE'RE DOING REALLY WELL WITH THE HOMELESS.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IN YOUR AREA, IN A BIG WAY.
ROSA GONZALEZ, MAYOR, HERE'S WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU SO FAR, THE ATTITUDE TOWARD THE HOMELESS TRUST IS NOT WORKING OR BENEFITING US.
SO I THINK THAT THEY'VE SHOWN US WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR HOTEL MOTEL PROGRAM AND I THINK FURTHER ANTAGONIZING THEM.
I'M JUST CALLING, I'M ANTAGONIZING SITUATION.
I'LL TELL YOU AT THIS POINT THAT WE NEED TO GO AND HAVE SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMISSION.
I HAVE TO RON BOOK AND WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF, OF KIND OF CRITICISM, PUBLIC CRITICISM.
I DON'T THINK IT'S HELPING US.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE TRIED EVERYTHING ELSE.
WELL, ALL I WOULD TELL YOU IS AT THIS POINT, THEY'VE SHOWN US HOW DO WE KNOW? BECAUSE THIS DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, THIS DEVELOPER SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, IT INCLUDED IN THAT AGREEMENT IS IN, IS AN AGREEMENT THAT THAT FAMILY IS AGREEING NOT TO OPEN UP ONE OF THEIR HOTELS.
BUT IF WE DON'T FIX THAT RELATIONSHIP, THEY COULD OPEN UP ANOTHER HOMELESS SHELTER.
SO AT THIS POINT, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, FIX THIS RELATIONSHIP.
AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE YOUR FOCUS.
I'VE TRIED AND, AND FURTHER TO THAT POINT, UH, IF I COULD MISS MAYOR, UM, I THINK IT ALSO SHOULD CAUSE US TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR ABOUT OUR OVERALL URBAN PLANNING WHEN WE HAVE AREAS ON WEST AVENUE THAT ARE CHEAPER TO HOUSE HOMELESS PEOPLE THAN A HOMELESS SHELTER IN DOWNTOWN MIAMI.
RIGHT? THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT SAYS ABOUT SOME OF OUR AREAS WHERE WE HAVE THESE RUNDOWN HOTELS, MOTELS, HOLIDAYS, INNS, UH, YEAH, SORRY.
THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T GO TO THE MUSIC BUSINESS
UM, BUT WE HAVE THESE AREAS THAT IN SOME OF OUR PRIZE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT OPERATE AS THESE TRANSIENT SUITE HOTELS, THAT IT'S CHEAPER TO HOUSE HOMELESS PEOPLE THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF WEST AVENUE THAN IT IS IN DOWNTOWN MIAMI.
SO, UM, THIS PART IS LOOKING BEHIND HOW TO FIX A SITUATION THAT IS ALREADY THERE.
BUT I'M ALSO WORKING WITH OUR CITY MANAGER AND LEGALS, I'M SURE ALL SIX OF MY OTHER COLLEAGUES ARE AS TO HOW TO MAKE SURE THIS SITUATION ISN'T REPLICATED.
AND, AND, UH, GAIL HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS ADVOCATE OF THAT, OF WE CAN'T ONLY SOLVE THIS ISSUE, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T PERSIST IN OTHER PLACES AS WELL.
AND, AND I JUST WANT TO PUT FORTH THE RECORD.
I MEAN, I THINK THIS COMMISSION, PREVIOUS COMMISSION AND GENERATIONS OF COMMISSION BEFORE US HAVE WORKED WITH GAIL, WITH THE WEST AVENUE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS IN NEW ZONING THAT, THAT MAKES HOSTILE USES AND OTHER SIMILAR USES NON-CONFORMING IN THIS CORRIDOR.
AND THOSE ARE MISTAKES OF BAD URBAN PLANNING.
YOU ARE SO RIGHT, THE URBAN PLANNING THAT ONE DAY ALLOWED THAT.
BUT WE'VE GONE BACK AND WE'VE CORRECTED THAT URBAN PLANNING, WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND THE RESIDENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CAN CONTINUE IN THIS, IN THIS AREA.
UM, I JUST WANNA SAY AGAIN, I THINK, I THINK THAT TODAY, I THINK CLEARLY THERE'S A PATH FORWARD.
COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE, YOU HIGHLIGHTED SO WELL THE IMPORTANCE OF COMPLETING THE, THE BEACH WALK, THE DELAYS THAT WE'VE HAD AND THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE AHEAD, I THINK THE PUBLIC HAS SO WELL ENUMERATED THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE WITH HAVING A MAKESHIFT SHELTER IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA, AND HOW THE PUBLIC COULD POTENTIALLY BENEFIT BY HAVING THIS SITE TRANSFERRED TO THE PUBLIC OWNERSHIP THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
I THINK TODAY, I SENSE THAT THERE COULD BE THE FOUR VOTES TO APPROVE THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TODAY.
UH, AND AGAIN, MY MESSAGE, UH, TO THE DEVELOPER IS TO LISTEN TO THE ROOM BECAUSE YOU NEED MORE THAN JUST FOUR VOTES IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
YOU ULTIMATELY NEED SIX VOTES, UH, TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
AND, UH, JUST ENCOURAGE YOU BEFORE JUNE 25TH TO GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE MESSAGE YOU'VE HEARD HERE FROM SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE HEIGHTS AND THE, AND THE FAR, BECAUSE I THINK THESE ARE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT SINCE DAY ONE OF THIS CONVERSATION.
WE HAVE ONE MORE CALLER ON ZOOM.
NANCY DUKE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS TWO MINUTES.
MS. DUKE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
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I AM UNMUTED.CAN YOU HEAR, GO AHEAD PLEASE.
SO I, MS. DUKE, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
SO, BUT, UM, OUR BUILDING WILL BE DIRECTLY, OUR BUILDING WILL BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE AT, AT THIS MEETING AND THE NEXT MEETING AS WELL.
UH, WHAT I'M HEARING ISN'T THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A BIG, BEAUTIFUL BUILDING THAT I CAN'T WAIT TO APPROVE, AND I LOVE IT SO MUCH.
I'LL, MS. DUKE, I APOLOGIZE, BUT YOU KEEP CUTTING OUT.
BUT I'M ANYTHING TO GET RID OF THE BIKINI HOSTEL, SO I JUST WANT I KNOW, I'M SORRY.
SO I'LL ASK YOU ALL, IS THIS REALLY A GOOD REASON TO INCREASE FAR? IS IT THE BUILDING OR IS IT THAT YOU JUST WANT TO GET RID OF THE BIKINI HOSTEL? THANK YOU.
THAT CONCLUDES THE LAST INDIVIDUAL.
I'M GONNA TURN IT TO ERIC TO, TO TRY TO BRING THIS HOME.
UH, BUT I JUST WANT, THANK YOU EVERYONE WHO COMMENTED, EVERYONE WHO CALLED IN, EVERYONE WHO, UH, WHO SPOKE, ANYONE WHO IS LISTENING AND DIDN'T, HASN'T SPOKEN.
WE, YOU CAN SEND US EMAILS, YOU CAN CALL US.
WE'RE A VERY RESPONSIVE COMMISSION.
UM, I READ MY EMAILS, I RESPOND, I KNOW MY COLLEAGUES DO AS WELL.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S WAYS TO REACH US OTHER THAN, THAN SPEAKING IN THE MEETING.
SO PLEASE LET US KNOW YOUR, YOUR OPINIONS AND, AND HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS.
BUT ERIC, LET'S BRING IT HOME WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE VOTING ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, JUST NOT ONLY TODAY, BUT JUST GENERALLY WHERE ARE WE IN THE PROCESS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO I'VE TAKEN NOTES, I'VE HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR WHAT YOU AS A BODY WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO MAKE THIS, UM, MORE PALATABLE FOR NOT ONLY THE COMMISSION, BUT ALSO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WE HAVE SENT OUT A REVISED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, UH, LAST THURSDAY.
AND WE'RE WAITING FOR THEIR RESPONSE.
I'M TOLD THAT WE WILL HAVE THAT BY WEDNESDAY THIS WEEK.
UM, IF WE GET IT ON WEDNESDAY, THEN HOPEFULLY WE CAN FINALIZE THE ITEM FOR THE JUNE 25TH COMMISSION MEETING.
OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOTTA MOVE SOME GROUND BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
AND I THINK THAT THERE IS A, A PATH FORWARD.
SO IT WOULD BE TO APPROVE THIS ON FIRST READING AND BRING IT BACK WITH THE MODIFICATIONS MENTIONED TODAY AT SECOND READING ON JUNE 25TH.
MR. MAYOR, COMMISSIONER BI, I WOULD, LET'S NOT FORGET THAT WE NEED TO SEE THE, UM, PSA AS WELL FROM THE MUSCATS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST TAKE IT ON THEIR GOOD WORD, THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING.
WE THANK YOU FOR FOLLOWING UP ON THAT.
UM, I START, THAT'S, THAT'S EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
YOU CAN CALL HIM COMMISSIONER SUAREZ.
UM, SO TOM TEXTED ME, UM, I'D LIKE WE CAN GO AHEAD.
I'LL GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO CLEAR IT UP.
UM, TOM TEXTED ME THAT HE DID SEND THE REBUTTAL TO
SO I DIDN'T WANNA MAKE, I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THE STAFF WASN'T NO, WHEN, UH, WHENEVER I'M NOT SURE OF SOMETHING, I ALWAYS TEND TO SAY NO BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO SAY YES AFTER YOU SAID NO THAN TO SAY NO AFTER YOU SAID YES
BUT IN, IN LOOKING IN MY EMAIL FILES, I DID FORWARD IT TO MR. DO CARD THE DAY AFTER THEY SENT US THE REBUTTAL.
AND, AND SO WHERE I'M GETTING AT WITH THIS IS, AND HE, AND THE REASON HE HASN'T RESPONDED WAS BECAUSE HE WAS OUT OF TOWN OUTTA THE COUNTRY.
WELL, HE LEFT THE COUNTRY ON MAY 22ND AND HE LITERALLY IS RETURNING TODAY.
UM, I LOOK, I I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE VOTING ON A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT THAT WHICH, WHICH IS PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON BENEFITS TO THE CITY WHEN THERE IS A DISPUTE OVER WHAT IT IS.
AND SO SINCE ANDY COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY, I THINK IT'S PRUDENT FOR US TO DEFER AND, UM, AND, AND HAVE HIM HERE AND TO EXPLAIN HOW HE GETS TO THIS FIGURE.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE VOTING ON A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT WHEN WE KNOW THE CONSTRAINTS ARE GONNA BE THIS HEIGHT AND THIS FAR, WHICH THE DEVELOPER HAS STATED TODAY THAT IT WILL BE.
AND SO I DON'T SEE WHY WE NEED TO, UM, RUSH THIS.
LET'S, UH, ON JUNE 25TH, LET'S, LET'S BRING IN, UH, THIS AS A SECOND.
I'M SORRY, AS A FIRST READING.
MAYBE ALSO HAVE THE SECOND READING FOR THE LDRS, UH, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
AND HAVE ANDY GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN HIS POSITION ON WHY HE IS, UH, FIRM ON THIS $272 MILLION
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COMMISSIONER ROSE GONZALEZ.CAN WE DO THAT ALL IN THE SAME DAY? CAN WE APPROVE THE AGREEMENT AND DO THE LDRS TOGETHER? BECAUSE I, THE BIKINI HOUSE STILL SUPPOSED TO CLOSE WHEN SEPTEMBER 1ST.
IS THIS GONNA MAKE, IS THIS GONNA ELONGATE THAT? YES, IT WILL.
BY HOW LONG? AT LEAST A MONTH.
I MEAN, I, I, WHEN I WAS GOING TO THE WEST AVENUE MEETING, UM, I FELT REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE.
UM, THIS MAN STARTED WALKING TOWARD ME AND, UM, AND I, I, I COVER, LIKE, I GRABBED MY BACK.
I DON'T KNOW, I JUST FELT REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE BIKINI HOSPITAL AND THAT WAS JUST ONE DAY THAT I WAS WALKING PAST IT.
SO, I MEAN, I FELT THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU GUYS FEEL THIS, BUT I WANNA CLOSE THE BIKINI HOSTEL AT THIS POINT.
UM, NICK, WHY ISN'T THAT THE POINT OF TWO READINGS? I MEAN, WE, WE CAN MOVE ALONG FIRST READING TODAY AND THEN HAVE THAT FOR SECOND READING THAT, THAT'S WHAT I, I THINK I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND.
I WOULD, I WOULD ONLY RECOMMEND HAVING SECOND READING OF THE DA AT THE SAME MEETING THAT YOU HAVE SECOND READING OF THE CODE AMENDMENTS.
THE DA IS WHAT MEMORIALIZES, UH, ALL OF THE PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT THE DEVELOPER IS PROFFERING.
SO YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO APPROVE THE CODE AMENDMENTS, UH, WITHOUT ALSO APPROVING THE DA.
WELL, WHY, JUST, JUST CURIOUS WHY THE, UM, CLOSING OF THE BIKINI HOUSEHOLD IS CONTINGENT ON BEING ON JUNE 25TH IF IT'S HAPPENING IN SEPTEMBER.
WELL, THAT I, THAT I CAN'T SPEAK TO, BUT I WOULD, I ONLY WANTED TO MAKE THE POINT THAT WHATEVER YOU DO TODAY, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT SECOND READING OF THE DA AND THE CODE AMENDMENTS HAPPENS AT THE SAME MEETING.
I MEAN, ARE THEY, DO WE HAVE TO MEET 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT MEETING IN AUGUST AND WE HAVE JUNE MEETING AND JULY MEETING.
DO YOU NEED ANOTHER MEETING OR IS THAT IT? WELL, THE CODE AMENDMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AT FIRST READING.
UM, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED YET AT FIRST READING.
SO IF YOU VOTE TODAY ON THE DA, YOU COULD HAVE SECOND READING OF BOTH THE DA AND THE CODE AMENDMENTS ON JUNE 25TH.
IF YOU VOTE TO CONTINUE THE FIRST READING OF THE DA TODAY, THEN YOU COULD HAVE FIRST READING OF THE DA ON JUNE 25TH.
BUT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU THEN CONTINUE SECOND READING OF THE CODE AMENDMENTS SO YOU COULD HAVE SECOND READING OF BOTH.
IN JULY, AND BY THE WAY, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S CONTINGENT ON MY VOTE.
I JUST, I'M CURIOUS WHY SEPTEMBER A A I'M JUST TRYING TO, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A, A WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
PURCHASE OFFER THE, YES, THERE'S, THERE ARE CONTRACTUAL DEADLINES IN THE PSA AND ESSENTIALLY IF WE DON'T GET TO SECOND READING BY JUNE 25TH, THIS HAS BEEN PUSHED ONCE AS WE KNOW, THE FIRST READING OF THE DA WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND GOT PUSHED ONCE.
IF IT GETS PUSHED AGAIN, WE WILL BLOW ALL OF OUR CONTRACT DEADLINES.
AND ESSENTIALLY, UM, THIS DEAL COULD DIE, UH, TODAY.
SO YOU'D ESSENTIALLY BE VOTING FOR BY POST PUSHING THAT FIRST READING, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY JUST BE VOTING TO KILL THE DEAL AND KEEP THE BIKINI OAL IN PERPETUITY? UH, WELL, SO WE, SO WE CAN'T THROUGH THE MAYOR, UH, NICK, SO WE CAN'T HAVE A FIRST READING OF A DEVELOPED AGREEMENT TIED WITH A SECOND READING WITH AN LDR.
WHY? BECAUSE IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S NOT, UM, FULLY BAKED.
BUT I, I THINK WHAT, HERE'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
CAN, IF WE SIGN THE LDRS, IF THE COMMISSION VOTES HAS, IF THE COMMISSION VOTES TO APPROVE THE FAR HEIGHT INCREASE, UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT, SECOND READING, CAN THE DEVELOPER RENEG ON THE, UH, DEVELOPER AGREEMENT, CAN WE TAKE AWAY THE, CAN WE CAN WE CAN, CAN WE ALSO UNILATERALLY TAKE THAT AWAY? THE, THE LDRS THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS STRUCTURED IT, THE, OR CAN WE SAY, BASED ON THE LDRS, CAN WE SAY BASED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS CONTINGENT ON OUR DEVELOPER AGREEMENT BEING SIGNED ON A SECOND READING OR APPROVAL OF A SECOND READING WHATEVER TERMS YOU ULTIMATELY AGREE ON.
THE, THE STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS THAT, FIRST OF ALL, THE, THE CO THE ORDINANCE, THE, THE BONUSES AND THE ORDINANCE ARE ALL CONTINGENT ON THE DEVELOPER CHECKING CERTAIN BOXES.
BUT THE, THE WAY WE ARE MEMORIALIZING ALL THOSE PUBLIC BENEFITS IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO I THINK THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS JUST THE SECOND READING OF BOTH OCCUR AT THE SAME MEETING AND, AND TODAY AT FIRST READING, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T A FINAL VOTE, RIGHT? IT IT, UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ACT, YOU DO NEED TWO READINGS.
SO YOUR VOTE TODAY IS THE FIRST STEP, BUT IT DOESN'T BIND YOU TO THE TERMS YOU HAVE TO AGREE
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TO AT SECOND READING.ERIC, THERE'S, AS I COUNT, THERE'S ABOUT EIGHT DIFFERENT ISSUES IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THE FAR THE HEIGHT, THE BIKINI AUSTAL, UM, THE BAY WALK, UH, THE RESTAURANT, WE EVEN GET INTO THAT.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN A MEETING ON THE LINES, THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE, THE COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ.
HOW FAR APART ARE WE ON THESE ISSUES? I THINK WE'VE MADE SUBSTANTIAL PROGRESS SINCE MAY 21ST.
I WOULD TELL YOU BEFORE MAY 21ST, WE DIDN'T MAKE MUCH PROGRESS.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS.
AND IF IT'S NOT READY FOR JUNE 25TH, THEN IT'S NOT READY FOR JUNE 25TH AND WE CAN HEAR IT.
LEMME ALSO S SPECIFY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO READ THIS, RIGHT? I'M GONNA ACTUALLY READ THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT COVER TO COVER, SO I CAN'T GET IT JUNE 24TH AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
SO LET'S SET A DEADLINE RIGHT NOW.
WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET, DON'T WE JUST MEET AGAIN NEXT WEEK? WHY DON'T WE MEET ONE MORE TIME IN THE INTERIM? DON, CAN YOU SHARE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? WE'LL MEET ONE MORE TIME.
THAT WAY EVERYBODY CAN BE ON THE SAME PAGE BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA, OBVIOUSLY IF WE DON'T AGREE ON THIS AGREEMENT AND WE MOVE FORWARD, THEN THE LDRS AREN'T GONNA PASS.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT'S PRODUCTIVE BECAUSE WE, WE NEED TO VOTE ON IT.
SO IT'S GONNA BE VOTING ON JUNE 25TH.
I'M JUST ASKING, LET'S SET A DEADLINE FOR WHEN WE'RE GONNA GET A FINALIZED VERSION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SO WE CAN REVIEW IT.
SO OUR RESIDENTS HAVE, WE HAVE A VERY INTELLIGENT RESIDENT BASE, UM, WHO THERE ARE RESIDENTS WHO WILL ACTUALLY READ THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
MR. MAYOR GAIL, RESPECTFULLY, I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE TAKING DIRECTION FROM DEVELOPERS ON WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
I ASKED ERIC WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN.
YEAH, NO, WELL, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, LOOK, I, I LIKE, I LIKE EVERYONE SETTING UP AT THE PODIUM, BUT I, I, I DON'T LIKE THAT WE'RE BEING RUSHED INTO THIS.
I MEAN, IF THIS TAKES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, IT TAKES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T SEE THE HARM IN ANOTHER MONTH WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE PERSON WHO, WHO, WHO PUT THIS ANALYSIS TOGETHER TO, UH, TO, TO, TO, TO SUBSTANTIATE.
YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE BENDING OVER BACKWARDS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
I MEAN, IT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I COULD, THAT'S PUT A, A TIME CAP ON IT.
THE PROBLEM IS THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH ANOTHER, USUALLY, NOT USUALLY EVERY TIME WE HAVE A COMMISSION MEETING, WE VOTE THERE'S NOTHING TO VOTE ON NEXT TIME.
'CAUSE IT'S COMING BACK ON JUNE 25TH.
SO I DON'T THINK ANOTHER MEETING IS GONNA BE, BUT THE SECOND, I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER ROSE GONZALEZ IS SAYING IS HAVE ANOTHER SPECIAL MEETING WHERE WE WOULD VOTE ON THE SECOND OR THE FIRST READING OF THE DEVELOPER.
OH, IF YOU'RE SAYING A, SO IN, INSTEAD OF HEARING IT ON JUNE 25TH, YOU'D RATHER HAVE A SPECIAL COMMISSION MEETING.
JUSTICE JUSTICE WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED ISSUE.
WELL, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO VOTE WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO VOTE ON TONIGHT.
GIVE IT ONE WEEK IN ONE WEEK, COME TOGETHER ON THE TERMS AND WE'LL SIT DOWN.
WE PROMISE IT WILL NOT BE FOUR HOURS LIKE IT IS RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND YOU COME TO TERMS, IF WE CAN'T COME TO, TO TERMS MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR, THEN WE CAN'T COME TO TERMS. BUT I, I LIKE, I THINK RIGHT NOW WE SHOULD JUST SCHEDULE THE MEETING RIGHT NOW.
LET'S JUST HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEEK.
UM, I KNOW THAT MAYOR MINOR, YOU WANNA SEE THIS NDA AGREEMENT THAT YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO SHARE, LIKE WHOEVER HAS ISSUES HAS TO GET THEM RESOLVED.
AND SO, AND THEN WE, I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WORRIED HE WALKS THROUGH THIS DEAL A TIME, TIME WAIT, IF WE DON'T DO THIS NOW THAT WE'VE BEEN HAMSTRUNG, WHAT HAPPENS? WE HAVE A PERMANENT HOMELESS SHELTER ON ANG.
THAT'S, DOES THAT MEAN A PERMANENT HOMELESS SHELTER? I MEAN, LIKE, LISTEN, LET'S, WELL FIRST OF ALL, WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE PLAYING WITH FIRE.
WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION TODAY, SO LET'S HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
IS THIS TO VOTE ON IT RIGHT NOW OR IS THIS FOR A MEETING NEXT WEEK? THAT'S THE ONLY MOTION ON THE TABLE.
SO I HEARD A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ AND I HEARD A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE.
I'D LIKE TO DEFER TO ANOTHER MEETING.
WELL, IS THERE A BIG DEAL THERE? THERE'S ONLY ONE MOTION ON THE TABLE.
WAIT, IS THERE A BIG DEAL HAVING, WELL, IF HE DOESN'T COME TO THE, IF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ISN'T RIGHT, THEN THE LDRS AREN'T PASSING.
SO MY POINT IS, AND COMMISSIONER BOT SAID THAT SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE WASN'T OKAY WITH SOME I I AM JUST, IF WE WANNA VOTE ON IT RIGHT NOW, WE CAN.
I JUST, I'M JUST GONNA PUT SOMETHING FOR THE RECORD.
COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ THE PROBLEM HERE.
WE'RE TREATING THIS LIKE, IF WE ARE IN FACT SELLING FAR, LIKE IF WE ARE IN FACT SELLING HEIGHT AND LIKE WE ARE IN FACT SELLING ZONING AND BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, WE DEFER THIS BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE'RE
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GONNA TREAT IT THEN.AND WE'RE SETTING THEN THAT PRECEDENT AND THAT NARRATIVE OURSELVES.
ONE THING IS FOR US TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT PUBLIC BENEFITS AND A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ABOUT ZONING.
I REALLY DON'T THINK WE MAKE DECISIONS ON ZONING BASED ON HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'RE GONNA GIVE US, HOW MUCH PUBLIC BENEFIT YOU'RE GONNA GIVE US, THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE EXPECTING SOMETHING FROM THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE THEY'RE PROFFERING IT.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT DICTATES THE ULTIMATE ZONING DECISION BECAUSE THEN WE GO AGAINST ALL THE PROPER ZONING PRINCIPLES.
WE MAKE ZONING DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE CHARACTER, BASED ON THE GUIDANCE OF OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR ON, ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS CONTEXTUAL HEIGHT, WHAT IS CONTEXTUAL FAR, WHAT IS THE CAPACITY THAT CAN BE HANDLED BY OUR CITY AND BY OUR INFRASTRUCTURE? THAT'S NOT A TRANSACTIONAL MATTER.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST VERY CLEAR WE CAN TAKE A FIRST READING VOTE TODAY ON A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THAT CAN STILL CHANGE WITH THE GUIDANCE WE'VE GIVEN TO OUR CITY ADMINISTRATION BEFORE IT COMES BACK FOR SECOND READING ON JUNE 25TH, BECAUSE THEY ARE TWO INDEPENDENT PIECES.
AND I THINK IT, IT JUST, IT IT, YOU KNOW, I I DON'T AGREE THAT WE SELL FAR WE DON'T, AND WE DON'T SELL HIDE ZONING IS SOMETHING THAT IS A VERY UNIQUE THING.
THAT IS NOT A TRANSACTIONAL THING, NOT DEVELOPERS.
WE ARE A CITY COMMISSION ELECTED TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT IS CONTEXTUAL AND WHAT OUR COMMUNITY CAN HANDLE REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC BENEFITS SOMEONE IS WILLING TO MAKE.
AND SO I JUST NICK GUIDE ME ON THAT BECAUSE THIS IS HOW WE'VE ALWAYS HANDLED THESE THINGS.
AM AM I WRONG, AM I UNDERSTANDING OF THIS ULTIMATELY ON THE, ON THE ZONING LEGISLATION, YOU'RE, YOU'RE VOTING ON IT AS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER, RIGHT? YOU'RE VOTING ON IT WHETHER IT MAKES GOOD SENSE AS A MATTER OF POLICY.
SO WE CAN VOTE TODAY ON A FIRST READING OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THAT IN ESSENCE, WE DON'T DO IT TOGETHER WITH LDRS 'CAUSE THEY SHOULDN'T BE MADE TOGETHER.
IS THAT CORRECT? THE WAY, THE WAY WE HAVE STRUCTURED THIS IS HOW WE WOULD RECOMMEND DOING IT WITH THE PUBLIC BENEFITS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE LEGISLATION AS IT'S DRAFTED.
SO WE CAN VOTE ON THE FIRST READING OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TODAY.
WE HAVE GIVEN FEEDBACK TO OUR CITY MANAGER.
WE CAN, AND TO YOU, YOU ALL ARE IN A POSITION TO NEGOTIATE BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED FROM US.
AND IF AT SECOND READING IS NOT AT A POSTURE THAT THIS CITY COMMISSION FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH, THEN WE VOTE IT DOWN THAT SECOND READING.
IF IT DOESN'T MEET, MEET OUR, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.
IT'S, IT'S, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S, AND THERE'S A MOTION THAT'S VERY SIMPLE AND THERE'S A MOTION IN THE SECOND.
WHEN DOES THE AGENDA PRINT? UH, UH, RAFAEL JUNE 18TH.
YEAH, A WEEK BEFORE THE COMMISSION MEETING.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S NINE DAYS FROM NOW.
I, I I, THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT I THINK IS PART OF OUR MOTION SHOULD BE THE FINAL VERSION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE ARE GONNA VOTE ON ON JUNE 25TH.
'CAUSE I FEEL IF WE DON'T SET THAT, IT'S GONNA BE JUNE 24TH.
WE EVERYONE IN AGREEMENT? YEAH.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND AND IF IT'S NOT INCLUDED, THEN IT BECOMES A FOUR DAY ROLLABLE ITEM AND WE CAN FOUR DAY RULER.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THE DEVELOPER ALSO, YOU KNOW, NEEDS TO A AGAIN, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, READ THE ROOM.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO POINT THEN OF EVEN COMING BACK JUNE 25TH IF YOU'RE NOT READING.
WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM THIS DAY IS TONIGHT.
I UNDERSTOOD YOU HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
I WANTED, I'LL GIVE YOU THE THANK YOU.
I I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, IF, IF WE BRING ANDY KART HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING, UM, AND HE SUBSTANTIATES HIS CLAIM OF $272 MILLION, UM, I MEAN WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? ARE YOU GUYS GONNA BE WILLING TO GIVE MORE TO THE CITY? DOES THAT GO BOTH WAYS? NO, NO, NO.
WE, LET'S, THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE.
THAT IS SO THAT IS SUCH AN INAPPROPRIATE COMMENT.
YOU MIGHT BE IN THE BUSINESS WORLD AND YOU MIGHT BE USED TO MAKING TRANSACTIONS FOR US.
THIS IS THE CHARACTER OF OUR CITY.
AND FOR YOU TO SAY, IS IT BOTH WAYS? NO, I'M SORRY.
THAT'S, THAT IS, THAT IS SO INAPPROPRIATE.
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THE CHARACTER OF WHERE PEOPLE LIVE.I OF DEPRESS THAT CREATES I AGREE DOUBLE HEARTEDLY.
WHICH IS WHY I'VE DONE AS MUCH OUTREACH AS I'VE DONE, MET WITH THE COMMISSIONERS AS MANY TIMES AS I HAVE MET WITH EVERY SINGLE STAKEHOLDER MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR.
PLUS MET WITH CITY STAFF DOZENS OF TIMES.
AND THIS IS A VERY REASONED, VERY THOUGHTFUL, VERY CONSIDERED PROPOSAL ON BALANCE.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
LET'S CALL THE VOTE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE.
IT INCLUDES A JUNE 18TH DEADLINE.
THAT'S WHEN WE PRINT THE AGENDA.
ANYONE ELSE? SO THE ITEM IS APPROVED SIX ONE FOR THE RECORD.
SECOND READING, PUBLIC HEARING OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS ON JUNE 25TH AT 9:17 AM AT THE CITY COMMISSION.
CHAMBERS 1700 CONVENTION CENTER DRIVE, THIRD FLOOR.