* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THE JULY 8TH MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD OF THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH. UM, I'M WELCOME TO, I'M EXCITED TO START THIS MEETING, AS WE ALWAYS DO WITH, UH, DEBBIE ETT. DEBBIE, UM, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. UM, WE HAVE A, A RELATIVELY FULL AGENDA THIS MORNING, SO I'M GONNA [ City Attorney Updates Memorandum July 8, 2025] HAND IT OVER, UM, RIGHT NOW TO NICK FOR THE NOTICE REGARDING LOBBYIST REGISTRATION AND SWEAR IN ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO TESTIFY TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DEBBIE. AND GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD WILL BE CONDUCTED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH A QUORUM OF THE BOARD PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE COMMISSION, CHAMBERS AND APPLICANT STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY IN TODAY'S MEETING, THE PUBLIC MAY DIAL 1-888-475-FOUR 4 9 9 AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 1 7 4 8 3 4 7 4 8 8 POUND, OR LOG INTO THE ZOOM APP AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH AGAIN IS 8 1 7 4 8 3 4 7 4 8 8. IF YOU'RE WISHING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM, UH, PLEASE CLICK THE RAISE HAND ICON IF YOU'RE USING THE ZOOM APP OR DIAL STAR NINE IF YOU'RE PARTICIPATING BY PHONE. IF YOU'RE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A BUSINESS, A CORPORATION, OR ANOTHER PERSON, YOU NEED TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. IF YOU HAVEN'T REGISTERED YET, YOU SHOULD REGISTER BEFORE YOU SPEAK TO THE BOARD. YOU DON'T HAVE TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ONLY ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF AND NOT ANY OTHER PARTY, OR IF YOU'RE TESTIFYING AS AN EXPERT WITNESS, PROVIDING ONLY SCIENTIFIC, TECHNICAL, OR OTHER SPECIALIZED INFORMATION OR TESTIMONY IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING, OR IF YOU'RE APPEARING AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION OR REIMBURSEMENT FOR YOUR APPEARANCE TO EXPRESS SUPPORT OF OR OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM. EXPERT WITNESSES AND REPRESENTATIVES OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SHALL PRIOR TO APPEARING DISCLOSE IN WRITING TO THE CITY CLERK, THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THE PRINCIPAL ON WHOSE BEHALF THEY'RE COMMUNICATING. IF YOU'RE AN ARCHITECT, ATTORNEY, OR EMPLOYEE REPRESENTING AN APPLICANT OR AN OBJECTOR, YOU MUST REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST. UM, LASTLY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D [SWEARING IN OF PUBLIC] LIKE TO SWEAR IN ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR STAFF WILL BE TESTIFYING TODAY. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU NICK. UH, MR. CHAIR, OUR FIRST ORDER OF [1. June 17, 2025 meeting] BUSINESS THIS MORNING IS THE APPROVAL OF THE JUNE 17TH, UH, MEETING MINUTES. UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR EDITS? I MOVE TO APPROVE. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. UM, WE DO HAVE ONE, UH, [2. HPB25-0650, 1826 Collins Avenue. ] REQUEST. UH, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A REQUEST, IT'S A, UH, NOTIFICATION THAT AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN ON TODAY'S AGENDA, AND THAT IS HPB 25 0 6 5 0. THIS IS 1826 COLLINS AVENUE. UM, THIS WAS FOR THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING. THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN, UM, BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. THE, UH, DEMOLITION OF THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN DETERMINED, UH, NO LONGER REQUIRES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD REVIEW, AND THAT'S A RESULT OF RECENT, UH, LEGISLATION ADOPTED BY THE STATE. SO NO ACTION IS REQUIRED FROM THIS BOARD. OKAY. SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO OUR [3. HPB24-0641, 1800 Michigan Avenue. ] FIRST REGULAR APPLICATION, WHICH IS HPB 24 0 6 4 1. THIS IS 1800 MICHIGAN AVENUE. AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME. UM, THE EXISTING, UH, TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOME WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1935. IT WAS DESIGNED BY ARCHITECTS, CARLOS SHEEL AND ARNOLD SOUTHWELL IN THE MEDITERRANEAN REVIVAL ART DECO TRANSITIONAL STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE. UM, THIS PARTICULAR HOME IS PART OF A LARGER ASSEMBLAGE, UM, UNDER COMMON OWNERSHIP. IT IS THE LARGER ASSEMBLAGE IS COM COMPRISED OF FOUR PLATTED LOTS. IT HAD IT WHEN IT WAS COMBINED TOGETHER. IT HAD THREE EXISTENCE, THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. UM, OVER TIME WITHIN THAT, THAT PROPERTY OF THE LARGER AGGREGATED SITE, NUMEROUS UNPERMITTED ADDITIONS WERE MADE. NUMEROUS ALTERATIONS, AGAIN, UNPERMITTED, UM, UM, THAT, THAT HAD THE EFFECT OF JOINING THE PROPERTIES 'CAUSE THEY WERE, THESE ADDITIONS WERE PHYSICALLY CONNECTING THE PROPERTIES AND [00:05:01] CROSSING OVER THE LOT LINES. UM, THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER DID RECEIVE A LOT SPLIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD MM-HMM . TO REGAIN THESE AS INDIVIDUAL PLATTED LOTS. AND THAT WAS APPROVED IN NOVEMBER OF 2024, UM, IN MAY OF 2024 AS A RESULT OF AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION ORDER. UM, AND, AND I KNOW WE HAVE SOME NEW BOARD MEMBERS, BUT THE BOARD HAD PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED 1810 AND 1818 MICHIGAN AVENUE. UM, THOSE TWO PROPERTIES, THERE WAS A DEMOLITION ORDERED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL. THEY WERE DEMOLISHED. THEY DID RECEIVE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD APPROVAL FOR THE, AFTER THE FACT DEMOLITION AND, UH, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE DESIGN OF TWO NEW HOMES. AND AGAIN, THAT WAS FOR 1810 AND 1818. UM, SO THE THIRD AND FINAL HOME IS 1800 MICHIGAN. AND THE, THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY REQUESTING TO DEMOLISH THAT AND, UH, OBTAIN APPROVAL FOR A, THE DESIGN OF A NEW HOME. UM, THE EXISTING HOME IS, UH, BASED ON, ON STAFFS RESEARCH IS RELATIVELY INTACT, UM, FROM ITS ORIGINAL DESIGN. UH, IN 1968, THE, UH, GARAGE WAS CONVERTED INTO A LIVING QUARTERS. UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, SOMETIME BE BETWEEN THE MID EIGHTIES AND MID 1990S. SEVERAL UNPERMITTED ADDITIONS WERE ADDED TO THE HOME. UM, SO IT HAS HAD SOME ALTERATIONS, BUT THE ORIGINAL PORTION OF THE HOME IS, IS STILL INTACT. UM, THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A, A STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING REPORT, UM, WHICH DID IN INDICATE, UM, STRUCTURAL DEFICIENCIES. IT DID, UM, ALSO DISCUSS THE UNPERMITTED WORK, WHICH WOULD HAVE TO, WHICH IS NOT CODE COMPLIANT WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED. UM, BUT STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING REPORT THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF THIS BUILDING. UM, DUE TO LIFE AND SAFETY CONCERNS, UM, WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AND WOULD SUPPORT AN APPLICATION THAT WOULD REMOVE LATER ADDITIONS TO THE HOME. UM, WE WOULD SUPPORT, UM, LIKELY SOME PARTIAL DEMOLITION. UM, AS LONG AS THE, UH, SIGNIFICANT CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THE HOME WERE ABLE TO BE RETAINED AND RESTORED. UH, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS. UM, IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD BE FEASIBLE TO ELEVATE THE HOME, UM, I KNOW THE APPLICANT HAS DONE SOME RESEARCH ON THAT, BUT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING DEFINITIVE WHETHER OR NOT THE, UM, THAT THAT WOULD BE A, A FEASIBLE IDEA. UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE THIS, UH, APPLICATION CONTINUED IN ORDER TO MORE, UM, CAREFULLY EVALUATE WHETHER TOTAL DEMOLITION IS WARRANTED AT THIS TIME. BASED ON THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF THE HOME IS WARRANTED. UM, REGARDING THE, THE DESIGN FOR THE NEW HOME, UM, STAFF IS GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE, OF THE DESIGN OF THE NEW HOME. IF DEMOLITION WAS NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION. UM, STAFF DOES BELIEVE THAT IT IS, UH, IN CONTEXT WITH THE PALM VIEW HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT DOES RECALL, UM, THE EXISTING HOME AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE DESIGN IS COMPATIBLE AND WOULD HAVE NO ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE CHARACTER OF THE PALM VIEW HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, FINALLY WE NOTED THAT, UM, THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY, UM, NOT IN COMPLETELY SECURED. UM, WE HAVE NOTED THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE VIOLATIONS ISSUED, UM, ON THIS HOME. AND WE WOULD STRONGLY URGE, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER TO CURE ALL THE EXISTING VIOLATIONS PRIOR TO, UM, ANY APPROVAL OF A DEBRIS DEVELOPMENT PROJECT BY THIS BOARD. SO THAT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION. WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO BE CONTINUED TO THE SEPTEMBER 16TH MEETING. UM, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. DEBBIE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS JUST FOR THE, ABOUT THE STAFF REPORT FROM THE BOARD? UM, I, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE, IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHERS, UM, JUST ABOUT YOU. YOU MENTIONED, UM, YOU SAID TO CON YOU WANT THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO MORE CAREFULLY EVALUATE, UM, TO MAKE A MORE CAREFUL EVALUATION. WHAT, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT KIND OF, WHAT DO YOU THINK MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE, SO WE WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO, TO EXPLORE RETAINING PORTIONS OF THE HOME. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO UNDERSTAND THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN ILLEGAL ADDITIONS AND, UM, THAT THE HOUSE [00:10:01] CURRENTLY DOES NEED SIGNIFICANT REPAIR. UM, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO EXPLORE RETAINING A PORTION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AS PART OF A, A REDEVELOPMENT. UM, WE DO THINK THIS CONTRIBUTING HOME IS, IS A VERY IMPORTANT HOME, UM, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE DO BELIEVE AT LEAST PORTIONS OF IT COULD BE RETAINED AND REPAIRED. CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP? JUST, JUST, DO YOU HAVE A, A PORTION IN MIND THAT YOU'VE BEEN TALKING TO THEM ABOUT OR NOT REALLY? YOU WERE KIND OF, HAVEN'T QUITE HEARD THAT. I MEAN, I THINK I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE REALLY GOTTEN INTO THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT. UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. GOT IT. YEAH. STAFF. UH, DEBBIE, YOU MENTIONED RAISING THE HOME. I IMAGINE THAT THAT IS IN ORDER TO MEET FLOODPLAIN CRITERIA, THE HOME AS OF TODAY, IS DESIGNATED, UH, IF THIS WASN'T IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, IT COULD BE DEMOLISHED, UH, UPON REQUEST. UH, YOU, YOU ALSO ALLUDED TO THE PROPERTY. THERE'S VIOLATIONS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN CURED. UH, IF, IF THIS BOARD OR, OR IF THE APPLICANT SHOULD SEEK TO RETAIN THE HOME IN ORDER FOR IT TO GET A CO AT SOME POINT IT WOULD NEED TO BE RAISED OR IT WOULD NOT NEED TO BE RAISED. NO, BECAUSE THIS IS A, A CONTRIBUTING HOME LOCATED WITHIN A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO ISSUE A FLOOD PLAIN WAIVER, UM, FOR FOUR PORTIONS OF THE HOME THAT WILL EXCEED THE, UH, IF THEY EXCEED THE 50%, UH, VALUATION FOR REPAIR. OKAY. AND THOSE SPACES COULD BE OR WOULD BE HABITABLE FOR, UH, CORRECT. THOSE SPACES WOULD BE ALLOWED TO STAY AT THEIR EXISTING FINISHED FLOOR LEVEL AND FLOOD PROOFING, UH, MECHANISMS COULD BE INTRODUCED. OKAY. ALRIGHT. YES. SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. SO, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBER STAFF MICHAEL LARKIN HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, 200 SOUTH ACA BOULEVARD. FIRST, WELCOME TO THE NEW BOARD MEMBERS, MR. NOVIK AND MR. HOLLINGWORTH. WELCOME. THIS IS A GREAT BOARD THAT YOU ALL HAVE JOINED. YOU REJOINED, I THINK MITCH, MAYBE NOT, BUT WELCOME. UM, I'M HERE TODAY WITH OUR PROJECT ARCHITECT, JENNIFER MCCONNEY, OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, YUSEF COMB, MY COLLEAGUES MICKEY MARRERO AND EMILY BALTER AND THE CO-TRUSTEES OF THE TRUST THAT OWNED THIS PROPERTY. LOUIS QUINTANA AND ANTHONY ASTA. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MIGHT NEED SOME EXTRA TIME 'CAUSE JENNIFER HAS TO GO OVER HER DESIGN FOR THE HOME. AND THEN I HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE JUDICIARY CONDITION OF THE HOME WITH OUR ENGINEER. OKAY. BUT JUST ASKING YOU NOW. OKAY. OKAY. SO EVERY APPLICATION HAS A STORY HERE. THIS IS NO DIFFERENT. SOMETIMES THE STORY'S ABOUT A FLAMBOYANT, COLORFUL DEVELOPER. SOMETIMES IT'S ABOUT EXTRAORDINARY ARCHITECT. SOMETIMES IT'S ABOUT THE ENSEMBLE OF BUILDINGS IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. HERE THE STORY REALLY FOCUSES UPON RITA STAR AND YOR ROSE. THEY WERE THE ORIGINAL COUPLE THAT MADE THIS ASSEMBLAGE IN THE NORTHERN PART OF PALM VIEW. I GOT TO KNOW THEM 'CAUSE I LIVED IN PALM VIEW IN THE LATE NINETIES, EARLY 2000 AT SUNSHINE TOWERS, WHICH HAS NOW BEEN RENAMED THE LEROY, WHICH ON THE OWNER LEROY SHECHTER, I LIVED THERE. AND DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, I HAPPENED TO MEET THIS COUPLE. THEY WERE A COLORFUL COUPLE, THEY WERE FUNNY. AND I REALLY VALUED THE TIME THAT I SPENT WITH 'EM WHEN I WAS THERE. AND THEY HAVE A LONG LEGACY IN THE CITY. THEY BUILT THEIR ESTATE FROM NOTHING, AND THEY WERE SADLY TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY SOMEONE THEY THOUGHT WAS A TRUSTWORTHY DEVELOPER. A MICHAEL STERN WHO HAS NO RELATIONSHIP TO THE MICHAEL STERN THAT IS CURRENTLY DOING HIS BUSINESS ON WEST AVENUE, WHICH WE ALSO REPRESENT . UM, UNFORTUNATELY, THIS NEW PARTNER HAD DIFFERENT INTENTIONS OVER TIME. HE MANIPULATED THEIR ASSETS, HE MISREPRESENTED FINANCIALS AND SIPHON FUNDS. BY THE TIME READER YOR DISCOVERED THIS LEVEL OF DECEPTION, THEIR LIFE'S WORK WAS ALMOST ON THE BRINK OF COLLAPSE. DEVASTATED. THEY TURNED TO THE TWO ATTORNEYS WHO ARE SITTING HERE OR, UM, THAT TO RECOVER THEIR ASSETS. AND THROUGH YEARS OF LEGAL WORK, COURT BATTLES AND NEGOTIATIONS RITA AND E WERE ABLE TO RESTORE, SOMEONE WOULD HAVE BEEN LOST OVER THE FOLLOWING YEARS. THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR ATTORNEYS DEEPENED, UNBEKNOWNST TO EVERYONE, WHEN R WHEN RITA AND IOR PASSED WITHIN TWO YEARS OF EACH OTHER, THEY LEFT BEHIND NOT ONLY A CAREFULLY RESORT ESTATE, BUT A CAREFULLY CONSIDERED PLAN. TO THEIR GREAT SURPRISE, LOUIS AND ANTHONY WERE NAMED AS CO-TRUSTEES OF THE TRUST THAT NOW OWNS THIS ASSEMBLAGE. THE COUPLE HAD NO CHILDREN OF THEIR OWN AND THE END CHOSE TO LEAVE THEIR ESTATE IN THE HANDS OF THE TWO PEOPLE THEY TRUSTED MOST TO GET THE HIGHEST VALUE FOR THE PROPERTY AND PROVIDE ALL REMAINING FUNDS TO CHARITY. THIS IS NOT A, A GET RICH QUICK PROCESS. THESE ARE TWO PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE IN CHARGE OF CARRYING OUT THE LAST WISHES OF RITA AND IGOR. THEY HAVE BEEN VILIFIED TO A CERTAIN EXTENT AND CORRESPONDENCE I HAVE SEEN AND I THINK THAT'S EXTREMELY UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE THEY [00:15:01] REALLY ARE JUST DOING THEIR JOB HERE TODAY. WE'RE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING A COA OF FOR DEMOLITION FOR THE DEMOLITION TO COMPLETE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING HOME AND A NEW COA FOR A BRAND NEW HOME HERE, WHICH IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND RESILIENT. DEBBIE'S CORRECT THE HOME, THE EXISTING HOME WAS BUILT IN 1935. IT'S CONTRIBUTING. IT REPRESENTS A TRANSITIONAL STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE FROM MED REVIVAL TO ART DECO, THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTS OF CARLOS SHOAL AND ARNOLD SOUTHWELL. UH, EMILY CAN YOU PULL UP? ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS A LOCATION SLIDE. THIS SHOWS WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED, THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MICHIGAN AVENUE AND 18TH STREET. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS LOOKING AT IT FROM MICHIGAN WEST. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS AGAIN, SAME VANTAGE POINT. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS LOOKING NORTH THE FRONT ELEVATION. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS ALSO THE FRONT ELEVATION. NEXT SLIDE. THESE ARE THE INTERIOR CONDITIONS. THE HOME IS IN REALLY, REALLY VERY BAD SHAPE. NOTE THE MOLD ON THE LEFT HAND SLIDE, NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS 1810 MICHIGAN BEFORE A DEMOLITION. NOTE THAT SOMETIMES IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT NEEDS A PAINT JOB. AND THAT IS HIGH, THE HIGH LEVEL OF TERRIBLE CONDITIONS THAT WENT ON INSIDE THAT HOME. NEXT SLIDE. 1818. SAME THING. SOMETIMES YOU LOOK AT A HOME AND IT JUST SAYS, OH, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE PAINTED. BUT THAT IS CLEARLY NOT THE CASE THERE. NEXT SLIDE. NEXT SLIDE, NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE HOME REPLACEMENT HOME FOR 1810, DESIGNED BY JENNIFER MCCONNEY, THE SAME ARCHITECT. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE REPLACEMENT HOME FOR 1818 MICHIGAN ADJACENT TO THE CANAL, ALSO DESIGNED BY JENNIFER. NEXT SLIDE. SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE POO POO THE IDEA THAT HOMES AND WHETHER THEY CAN BE LIFTED OR NOT. I AGREE THAT THEY CAN BE LIFTED AT TIMES. I REPRESENTED STUART MILLER AT 22 STAR. YOU KNOW, STEWART IS THE CHAIRMAN, CEO OF LENNAR CORP. ONE OF THE LARGEST HOME BUILDERS IN THE UNITED STATES. AND YES, HE HAD THE FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL TO MOVE THE HOME FROM THE EXTREME EASTERN SIDE TO THE WESTERN SIDE. THE PROPERTY WAS LARGE ENOUGH TO DO THAT. AND OF COURSE WE HAD THE GOOD BENEFIT OF HIS MOTHER LIVING DIRECTLY TO THE WEST. HE DID NOT MIND HAVING THE HOME SO CLOSE TO HER. I LET STEWART HANDLE THE JOB OF GETTING A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM HER. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS MY BROTHER'S NEIGHBORHOOD UP IN NORFOLK, VIRGINIA. AND AGAIN, HOMES CAN BE LIFTED, BUT NO, THIS IS RATHER EXTREME BECAUSE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS EVEN MORE LOW LYING THAN PALM VIEW. BUT THIS TURNS THE IDEA OF COMPATIBILITY REALLY ON ITS HEAD. NEXT SLIDE. SO PALM VIEW HAS EXPERIENCED, UH, FLOODING FOR MANY, MANY YEARS NOW. AND IT STARTED COMING TO A HEAD 2019, 2020 WHEN THE CITY COMMISSION RETAINED A CONSULTANT TO DO LIKE A 20 YEAR MASTER PLAN FOR FOR PALMVIEW WITH REGARD TO THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. WHAT THEY FOUND WAS THAT IT, EXCUSE ME, IT SHOWED THAT IT HAS EXTREMELY LOW STREET ELEVATIONS. THERE'S INSUFFICIENT DRAINAGE METHODS. THE PERVIOUS SWELLS ARE BLOCKED WITH RAISED CONCRETE CURBS. THE GRAVITY BASED STORMWATER SYSTEM ONLY HAS TWO OUTFALLS UNDER COLLIN'S CANAL. AND LAST, THERE ARE NO CONTROL SYSTEMS SUCH AS FLOODGATES. SO THE WATER MIGHT ISSUE OUT OF THESE OUTFALLS AND THEN COME RIGHT BACK IN DURING EXTREME FLOOD EVENTS. NEXT SLIDE. WHAT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT HAS DONE IS THEY KEPT TRACK OF THE FLOODING EVENTS SINCE 2000. WE'VE TOOK THE LAST FIVE YEARS TO SHOW YOU ALL THAT THE NUMBER OF MONTHLY INCIDENCES INCREASE IN, PARTICULARLY IN 2024. IT SEEMS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE A BREAK IN 2025, BUT WE ARE LITERALLY JUST HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR. NEXT SLIDE. YUSEF, CAN YOU PLEASE COME UP? SO WE RETAIN YUSEF IN ORDER TO ANALYZE THE HOME. HE ANALYZED THE CURRENT STRUCTURAL SYSTEMS, HE PROVIDED EVALUATION OF THE STRUCTURE, INCLUDING SITE OBSERVATIONS, AND WE SENT CONCRETE CORE SAMPLES OUT TO A THIRD PARTY LAB FOR TESTING. YUSEF, GOOD MORNING. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD MORNING. UH, YUSEF HASH STRUCTURAL ENGINEER 99 NORTHWEST 27TH AVENUE, MIAMI. SO YUSEF, WHEN NEXT SLIDE. SO IN LOOKING AT THE STRUCTURE, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE SIGNS OF DISTRESS THAT YOU SAW? WELL, WELL WE SAW CRACKING SPING, WATER DAMAGE, UH, TERMITE DAMAGE, SETTLEMENT, AND OTHER ISSUES. SO HOW WOULD YOU NORMALLY, WHAT IS THE REMEDY TO, TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES? WELL, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO REPAIR, UH, YOU HAVE TO REPAIR THE STRUCTURE, UH, AND UM, AND STRUCTURE IN THIS, UH, THIS LEVEL OF DISREPAIR, UH, WILL, UH, WILL TRIGGER A LEVEL THREE ALTERATION BY THE FLOOR OF THE BUILDING CODE, WHICH NEEDS THAT, WE MEAN TO BRING IT UP TO TODAY'S CODE. AND WHAT WOULD THE LEVEL THREE ALTERATION INCLUDE? WELL, UH, INCLUDES A GRAVITY SYSTEMS AND LATERAL SYSTEMS. UH, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE ROOF IS STRONG ENOUGH FOR THE WIND LOADS. YOU HAVE TO TIE IT DOWN TO THE WALLS OF THE HOUSE. UH, THE WALL OF THE HOUSE HAS TO HAVE LATERAL SYSTEMS, UH, TO RESIST WIND AND WHICH TIES THE WALLS TO THE FOUNDATIONS ALSO. SO [00:20:01] WHEN YOU REPLACE ALL OF THAT, BASICALLY AT THE VERY END OF THE PROCESS, YOU ESSENTIALLY HAVE A NEW HOUSE B BASICALLY. YES. NEXT SLIDE. SO PLEASE TALK ABOUT YOUR INSPECTION OF THE ROOF. UH, WELL THE, THE ROOF IS A WOOD DRAFTER SYSTEM, UH, THAT IS, UH, SITTING ON THE WALLS OF THE HOUSE, UH, DOESN'T HAVE, UH, TIE DOWNS FOR, FOR UPLIFT AND, UH, LATERAL RESISTANCE ON THE STRUCTURE. AND WHAT WOULD YOU NEED TO DO TO BRING THIS ROOF UP TO CODE? UH, O OTHER THAN, UH, THE DAMAGE TO TERMITE AND TO WATER RUG DAMAGE, WE HAVE TO REPLACE AND REPAIR, UH, ALL THE JOISTS THAT WE CAN. AND THEN AFTER THAT WE HAVE TO STRAP IT DOWN TO THE HOUSE. SO IT ALMOST WOULD BE A BRAND NEW ROOF. IT WOULD BE. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE. SO WITH REGARD TO THE WALLS AND OPENINGS OF THE HOUSE, ARE THEY UP TO TODAY'S CODE? NO. AND HOW WOULD YOU RESOLVE THAT ISSUE? UH, THAT HAS TO BE REINFORCED. THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UH, WORK THAT WAS DONE ON THE HOUSE THAT IS, UH, ON PERMITTED WORK. SOME OF THAT WAS REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS WHERE THEY, UH, PUT IN SMALLER WINDOWS AND OPENING. SO THERE'S A LOT OF FRAMING THAT NEEDS TO GO OUT. UH, AND, YOU KNOW, PROPER GLAZING, UH, BE INSTALLED AND REINFORCED THE EDGE OPENINGS OF THE WHAT IN THE HOUSE. SO TO REINFORCE IT, DO YOU NEED TO INSTALL A LATERAL LOAD STRUCTURAL SUPPORT SYSTEM? YES. AND WHAT WOULD THAT ENTAIL? WELL, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HOUSE DOES NOT HAVE ANY LATERAL SYSTEMS. UH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO REINFORCE THE WALLS. UH, YOU HAVE TO OPEN CUT THE MASONRY OPENINGS. YOU NEED TO ADD, UH, VERTICAL ENFORCEMENT REBARS EVERY SO OFTEN. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE DIAPHRAGM, UH, SET IN A PLACE TO TRANSFER THE LATERAL LOADS IN THE BUILDING. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE. SO WITH REGARD TO THE FLOOR, WHAT IS THE STRUCTURAL SYSTEM OF THE FLOOR? IT'S WOOD JOISTS. THAT IS A FIRE CUT AS, AS THE FIGURE SHOWS IT'S FIRE CUT INTO THE MASONRY WALL OF THE HOUSE. UH, SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS TYPICAL BACK THEN. UH, DOES NOT HAVE ANY LEDGERS, DOES NOT HAVE ANY STRAPPING OR ANY CONNECTIONS. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN? YEAH, HOW MUCH? I WOULD SAY ABOUT 10 MINUTES. I'M 10 MORE MINUTES. I THINK SO TO COVER JENNIFER AS WELL. IT'S JUST VERY IMPORTANT TO GET OKAY. WE'LL DO IT. BUT WE'LL HAVE TO THANK YOU. LET OTHER PEOPLE HAVE THAT TOO. UM, SO ONCE YOU START OPENING THE WALLS TO REINFORCE AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE FLOORS? WELL, THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO SHO 'EM AND YOU HAVE TO FIX THE WALLS AND THEN YOU COME BACK AND REPAIR THE JOISTS AND REPLACE THE JOISTS THAT ARE DAMAGED. PUT A LEDGER ON THE WALL AND THEN STRAP 'EM DOWN. OKAY. UH, NEXT SLIDE. SO WHAT TYPE OF FOUNDATION DOES THE HOME HAVE? SHALLOW FOUNDATIONS SLAB ON GRADE? THERE IS, THERE IS PORTIONS OF THE HOUSE THAT HAS SLAB ON GRATES THAT ARE, THAT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE DUG UP THE, THE SLABS AND IT'S FOUR TO FIVE INCHES. IT'S, IT'S JUST A SLAB ON GRADE. IT'S NOT HYDROSTATIC. WE COULDN'T FIND ANY REINFORCEMENT IN IT. AND, UH, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THERE WERE ACTUALLY GAPS AND VOIDS UNDER THE SLAB DUE TO WASH OUT OF, UH, SUPPORTING MATERIAL IN, IN A FLOOD EVENT. BASED UPON THE HYDROSTATIC PRESSURE, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THIS FOUNDATION WOULD BUCKLE AND CRACK? OH YEAH. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE. SO WITH REGARD TO THE SITE OBSERVATIONS, IF YOU COULD LOOK AT THE, WHAT WERE THE, SOME OF CONCLUSIONS HERE OF THESE THREE CONCLUSIONS? WELL, WE, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LOT OF WOOD DAMAGE, ROUTING, SAGGING, UH, WATER INTRUSION, UH, CONCRETE SPING WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF SPALLING IN THE COLUMNS AND BEAMS AND, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF WATER INTRUSION COMING IN FROM THE ROOF AND FROM THE WINDOWS. OKAY. AND NEXT SLIDE. SO TALK TO ME ABOUT THE CONCRETE STRENGTH. WHAT WE, YOU ABLE TO FIND FOR THE COMPRESSIVE STRENGTH OF THE CONCRETE CORE SAMPLES? WE DID THE FOUR CORE SAMPLES AND, UH, THE RANGE CAME IN BETWEEN 1000 TO 1300 PSI, UH, WHICH IS WEAK. UH, YOU KNOW, WE DESIGN AS A MINIMUM DUE TO COSTAL CONSTRUCTION, 5,000 PSI THESE DAYS. SO THIS IS LIKE 80% WEAKER. OKAY. AND YET SOME OF THE CONCRETE HAD BEEN REPAIRED IN THE PAST. SO WHAT DID YOU FIND WITH THOSE REPAIR AREAS? THERE, THERE WAS PATCHING WORK DONE THAT, THAT ALSO FAILED AGAIN. HMM. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE. CARBONATION. YEAH. OKAY. SO PART OF THAT TESTING THAT WAS DONE BY THIRD PARTY WAS, UH, OTHER THAN COMPRESSIVE TESTING, THERE WAS ALSO CARBONATION EXTENTS, WHICH IS BASICALLY, UH, THE INTERACTION OF CONCRETE WITH CARBON DIOXIDE IN THE AIR. AND THAT LOSES ALINITY OF THE, OF THE CONCRETE MATRIX. THAT MAKES IT EASIER FOR [00:25:01] THE REBARS TO RUST. AND THIS SHOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WALLS ARE ALL THE WAY THROUGH CARBONATED. IS THIS PROCESS REVERSIBLE? NO. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE. SO COULD YOU GO THROUGH YOUR STRUCTURAL CONCLUSIONS? YEAH. WELL THERE'S, THERE WAS A LOT OF STUFF. THERE WAS A LOT OF AREAS OF THE HOUSE THAT WILL, UH, ILLEGALLY UNPERMITTED THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. THERE IS A LOT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER FOR US TO DO THIS WORK, WE HAVE TO DO A LOT OF, UH, DEMOLITION IN ORDER FOR US TO REPAIR THE STRUCTURE. UH, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT, UH, TRYING TO LIFT THE STRUCTURE, UH, TO, TO TAKE IT OUT OF FLOOD ZONE. UH, WE ARE NOT, UH, CONFIDENT DUE TO THE CONCRETE WEAKNESSES THAT ACTUALLY, THAT YOU CAN BE ABLE TO LIFT THE STRUCTURE. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, YUSEF. I APPRECIATE IT. SO THIS IS AN INTERESTING, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM DRAWING, THE TOP DRAWING ITS EXISTING CONDITION, BUT IN THE BOTTOM DRAWING, WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT TO YOU ALL IS THAT WHEN EIGHT, WHEN MICHIGAN AVENUE IS RAISED, WHEN 18TH STREET IS RAISED, WHEN THE HOME TO THE NORTH IS DEVELOPED, WHEN THE HOME TO THE WEST IS DEVELOPED, YOU'LL BASICALLY HAVE THE EXISTING HOME, WHICH USE OF DOUBTS CAN BE LIFTED. SO IT'S GOTTA REMAIN IN PLACE, BUT IT'LL BE IN A VALLEY. IT'LL BE SURROUNDED ON EVERY SIDE BY RAY SURFACES, WHETHER THEY'RE STREETS OR WHETHER IT'S RAY'S, YARDS FROM THE NORTH HOME AND THE WEST HOME. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A VIEW, LOOKING TO THE NORTHEAST, YOU'LL SEE THE SAME CONDITION WITH THE RAYS, ROADS AND PINK, AND THEN THE RETAINING WALLS THAT WILL BE BUILT. IT'S NOT A GREAT CONDITION. THIS IS SHOWS WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BE COMPLIANT. THE RED DOTTED LINE IS THE FUTURE CROWNER ROAD. THAT'S WHERE THE YARD HAS TO BE RAISED TO. THE GREEN DOTTED LINE IS BFE PLUS TWO FEET OF FREEBOARD. THAT'S WHAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS CURRENTLY ENFORCING. THAT'S WHERE THE SLAB HAS TO BE. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT BASICALLY GOBBLES UP THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR OF THE BUILDING. SO IT IS UTTERLY NON-COMPLIANT. AND I FEEL IN THE FUTURE IT WOULD BE A MAGNET FOR FLOOD EVENTS AND IT'LL JUST BE A HORRIBLE WATER INTRUSION WITHIN THIS PROPERTY. NEXT SLIDE. I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JENNIFER NOW, AND SHE'S GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH HER NEW DESIGN. GOOD MORNING. UH, JENNIFER MCCONNEY STUDIO, MCG ARCHITECTURE, UH, 2 3 0 NORTHEAST 97TH STREET IN MIAMI SHORES. UM, WHEN WE WERE, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED DESIGNING THIS RESIDENCE, WE LOOKED AT THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PROGRAM OF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE, AND STUDIED THE ARCHITECT OF THE EXISTING HOME, WHICH WAS CARLOS SCHOBEL. CARLOS SCHOBEL DESIGNED MANY MED REVIVAL HOMES IN MIAMI BEACH USING DIFFERENT MATERIALS SUCH AS WOOD, IRON, WORK, AND STONE. AND WHILE MUCH OF THOSE MATERIALS HAVE BEEN REMOVED ON THIS RESIDENCE, WE WANTED TO USE THE SAME TYPES OF MATERIALS THAT WE STUDIED ON, ON HIS OTHER RESIDENCES, AS WELL AS PLAN THE LAYOUT OF THE RESIDENCE IN A SIMILAR MANNER BECAUSE IT, IT, IT WORKS. UM, WE HAVE THE GARAGE ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE, KINDA AWAY FROM THE CORNER, AND THEN THE MAIN LIVING RESIDENCE ON THE CORNER. UM, WE STARTED WITH A LONG, SIMPLE BAR PLAN, SIMPLE BAR PLAN WHERE THE MAIN LIVING SPACES ARE LOCATED ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND BEDROOMS ON THE SECOND FLOOR. THE ROOF IS A CLASSIC GABLE WITH WINDOWS OF EACH BEDROOM FACING THE STREET. WE CREATED A SHORTER GARAGE AND GUEST ROOM STRUCTURE ON THE WEST SIDE THAT BREAKS UP THE MASSING. AND ON THE EAST, A SMALL CABANA BATH AND BALCONY FOR THE MASTER BEDROOM FACING THE POOL AREA. THE GROUND FLOOR IS CLAD IN STONE, WHILE THE SECOND FLOOR IS IN STUCCO WITH WOOD SHUTTERS ON THE WINDOWS. THE SITE WALL ALONG THE FACADE ALSO STEPS DOWN CREATING PRIVACY AROUND THE POOL. AND IT'S MORE OPEN ALONG THE FRONT ENTRY IN THE GARAGE. AND AGAIN, OUR, OUR PROJECT MEETS ALL THE ZONING CODE. THERE'S NO VARIANCE REQUESTED. UM, AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO RAISE IT. OH, WHEN WE WERE DESIGNING THIS HOUSE, UH, IT, THE, THE, THE MINIMUM FLOOD, UH, ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE WAS NINE AND NOW IT'S 10. THAT, THAT JUST CHANGED. SO YOU CAN SEE IN THIS IMAGE HOW THE EXISTING PLAN OF THE, UH, HOUSE THAT'S ON THE TOP AND THE PROUSE PLAN ARE VERY SIMILAR. THERE WERE SOME PORCHES THAT TURNED INTO ENCLOSED AREAS OF THE HOUSE AND OTHER MULTIPLE NON-PERMITTED EDITIONS. AND WE'LL BE OBVIOUSLY CLEANING THAT UP AND CREATING A, UH, A MORE SIMPLE STRUCTURE. THIS IS THE PLAN OF THE GROUND FLOOR. THE ENTRY AND STAIR ARE LOCATED OFF THE CENTER TO THE WEST, SIMILAR TO THE WAY IT WAS IN THE EXISTING RESIDENCE. THE LIVING SPACES ARE LOCATED TOGETHER IN A LONG BAR SHAPE, WHICH FACES THE FRONT AND ALSO THE POOL TO THE EAST. THE GARAGE AND DRIVEWAY ARE ALSO LOCATED, UH, SIMILAR TO WHERE THEY ARE TODAY. ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THERE IS A GUEST PLAYROOM LOCATED JUST ABOVE THE GARAGE, UH, AT THE HALF LEVEL LANDING. AND THAT, THAT WAY WE WERE ABLE TO BREAK UP THE LONG STRUCTURE. SO THE GARAGE, BECAUSE THAT HAS TO BE LOWER TO, TO HAVE THE CARS, UM, MEET GRADE, UM, THAT'S SECONDARY STRUCTURE IS, IS ABLE TO BE LOWER. UM, AND THEN [00:30:01] THE THREE ADDITIONAL BEDROOMS, UH, FACING THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE PRIMARY ROOM FACING THE POOL, THE SECOND FLOOR. AND THEN THIS IS THE FACADE FACING 18TH STREET AGAIN. WE HAVE BROKEN UP THE FACADE INTO THREE MASSING TO BREAK DOWN THE SCALE OF THE HOME. YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THE FACADE IS CLADED IN STONE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, STUCCO WALLS AND WOOD SUGARS ON THE SECOND FLOOR. AND THE ROOF HAS THAT SAME ANGLE PITCH AS THE EXISTING ENG GABLE ROOF. THIS IS THE EAST ELEVATION. WE USED A SIMILAR MASSING OF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE ON THE LEFT. AND WHERE WE, UH, INCREASED THE DEPTH OF THE ORIGINAL HOME, WE BROKE UP THAT MASSING WITH THE PO CABANA STRUCTURE AND BALCONY FOR THE BEDROOM ABOVE. THIS IS THE MOOD INSPIRATION BOARD FOR THE MATERIALS THAT WE USED. WE HAVE A REGULAR CUT CORAL STONE CLADDING, DARK MAHOGANY WOOD, WHITE STUCCO, AND A BARREL TILE ROOFING THAT HAS A MIX OF SHADES OF TERRACOTTA. THIS IMAGE DESCRIBES HOW LOW THE EXISTING HOUSE SITS IN RELATIONSHIP TO WHAT IS REQUIRED BY CODE. NOW, THE EXISTING HOME MASSING ON THE RIGHT AND THE NEW ON THE LEFT, EVEN THOUGH WE DID RAISE THE NEW HOUSE TO MEET CODE, WE TRIED TO KEEP THE SIZE AND PORTIONS OF THE HOUSE SIMILAR. AND THIS IS A VIEW ALONG MICHIGAN. THE HOUSE ON THE RIGHT WAS DESIGNED BY SCHULTZ AND WEAVER, NOT ME. UH, WE WERE RECREATING IT. UM, SO THAT HOUSE HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED NOW, BUT, UM, THIS WAS APPROVED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO IN FRONT OF YOU. UM, SO THAT WAS A SCHULTZ AND WEAVER HOUSE. UH, THE, THE HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE WAS DESIGNED BY US AT 1810, AND THEN THE, UM, NEW HOUSE ON THE, UH, 1800 ON THE, THE CORNER. BUT I DO THINK, UH, THAT THIS DOES LOOK LIKE IT WAS DONE BY THREE DIFFERENT ARCHITECTS. UM, WE, WE REALLY TRIED TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. UM, WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO LOOK, UH, ALL THE SAME AT ALL. AND THEN THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN OF HOW THE THREE HOUSES WORK TOGETHER. AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JENNIFER. MM-HMM . THANK YOU FOR THE EXTRA TIME. MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. WE'D LIKE TO RESERVE SOME TIME FOR REBUTTAL. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, NOW IT'S TIME FOR BOARD, UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. SO MAYBE MICHAEL, YOU, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY, ANY QUESTIONS. RAY, YOU LOOKED PO OKAY. A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. UH, WITH ALL THE BACKGROUND, I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD HEARD WAS THAT THE ORIGINAL MASSING WAS PUT TOGETHER TO BUILD A, A CONDOMINIUM ON THE WATER. AND THEN THE PALM VIEW NEIGHBORHOOD BECAME HISTORIC AND THEY COULD NO LONGER DO THAT. LIKE THERE IS ANOTHER BUILDING JUST UP THE CANAL FROM THERE THAT IS CONDOMINIUM. SURE. UM, SO THAT PART YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT WHETHER THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, BUT I YOU BRING A VERY COMPELLING REASON TO TO TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN BECAUSE IT IS, DOESN'T MEET ANY BUILDING STANDARDS, BUT NEITHER DOES ANY OF THE OTHER HOMES IN THE PALM VIEW NEIGHBORHOOD. SO YOU'D BE SETTING PRECEDENT FOR EVERYONE IN THE PALM VIEW NEIGHBORHOOD TO COME AND SAY, OH, WE NEED TO TEAR OUR HOME DOWN. UM, BECAUSE IT, IT DOESN'T MEET CURRENT STANDARDS. AND YOU NOW HAVE SET A PRECEDENT BY LETTING THIS HOME BE TORN DOWN. AND THAT PUTS US AT, AT, AT A DISADVANTAGE. CAN I RESPOND MR. CHAIRMAN? YEAH, LET'S JUST, UM, THAT'S ALL. OKAY. WHY DON'T YOU RESPOND? IT, IT'S, YEAH. YES, SIR. YEAH. I'M MORE, I, I I'D RATHER HAVE THIS KIND OF ADDRESSED ONCE. SURE. SO, YOU KNOW, EVERY HOME IS CONSTRUCTED DIFFERENTLY. EVERY HOME AGES DIFFERENTLY. EVERY HOME HAS HAD A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF STANDARD OF CARE FROM PRIOR OWNERS. I KNOW IN MY STREET ON LINGO DRIVE, MY HOME WAS BUILT 1925 AND IT'S ONLY HAD FOUR OWNERS. AND THIS CURRENT OWNER, ME, IS KEEPING IT IN EXCELLENT SHAPE. I KNOW OTHER HOMES THAT WERE BUILT ABOUT THE SAME TIME IN THE LATE TWENTIES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK HORRIBLE. AND THEY HAVE NOT HAD THE SAME LEVEL OF CARE. SO I WOULD NOT SAY THIS IS A PRESIDENT, THIS IS A FACT INTENSIVE INQUIRY. EVERY HOME'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT HERE, JUST LIKE LIFTING A HOME, LIFTING A HOME, THERE'S NOT ONE MATHEMATICAL FORMULA THAT SAYS A HOME CAN BE LIFTED. IT IS ALSO A FACT INTENSIVE INQUIRY BASED UPON THE STRENGTH OF THE CONCRETE OF THE HOME, THE ECONOMIC RESOURCES OF THE OWNER. SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS A PRECEDENT SETTING EXERCISE, RAY. I THINK EACH HOME IN PALM VIEW IS VERY DIFFERENT. THANK YOU. THAT WAS IT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? I HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. GO FOR MITCHELL. YEAH. THANK YOU. UH, HAS YOUR CLIENTS TAKEN ANY STEPS TO ADDRESS THE VIOLATIONS OR SECURING THE VIOLATIONS SUCH AS FENCING, UH, A TARP OVER THE ROOF AND, UH, SECURING THE WINDOW OPENINGS? UH, THE ANSWER IS YES, MITCH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE MICKEY MARRERO, WHO'S BEEN CAREFULLY REPRESENTING THEM IN FRONT OF THE SPECIAL MASTER ADDRESS. THERE'S THREE THINK VIOLATIONS LEFT, BUT I'D LIKE MICKEY TO DO THAT. [00:35:01] SURE. GOOD MORNING. MICKEY MARRERO, UH, TO OFFICE. KING BOULEVARD. SO YES, THERE ARE CURRENTLY THREE OPEN VIOLATIONS. ONE OF THEM HAS NOT BEEN A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE YET. THAT'S A 40 YEAR RECERTIFICATION. WE'RE TRYING TO SPEAK TO STAFF, WE'RE NOT EVEN SURE IF IT APPLIES 'CAUSE IT'S ESSENTIALLY A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT HAD ILLEGAL UNITS. IF IT'S LESS TWO UNITS OR LESS, IT WOULDN'T EVEN QUALIFY. BUT ALSO WE'RE THIS, BECAUSE THIS VIOLATION A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AND EVEN IF IT WAS VALID, WHICH WE WE'RE NOT SURE IF YOU GO THROUGH THE WHOLE CERTIFICATION PROCESS, WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE WE, WE, WE'VE DONE THAT ANALYSIS IN SPADES WITH YUSEF AND WE'RE HOPING OBVIOUSLY FOR DEMOLITION, WHICH WOULD NEGATE THE NEED TO REPAIR ALL THOSE THINGS AND COMPLY WITH THE 40 YEAR. THE OTHER TWO THAT HAVE BEEN TO MAGISTRATE ACTUALLY APPEARED BEFORE THE MAGISTRATE JUST AT THIS PODIUM, UH, LAST THURSDAY. ONE OF THEM, THEY IDENTIFIED SOME THINGS THAT HAD TO BE DONE AND OUR, OUR CLIENT DID THOSE THINGS, BUT IDENTIFIED WINDOWS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE HOUSE. I THINK THE VIOLATION SAID NORTH SIDE, THEY MEANT SOUTH SIDE OR VICE VERSA. SO WHEN WE CAME TO THE HEARING THINKING IT WAS IN COMPLIANCE, THEY SAID, OH, WE, WE PUT THE WRONG NOTE IN THE VIOLATION. SO THEY'RE NOW ADDRESSING THAT IT, THE, THOSE WINDOWS AT ISSUE HAVE SOME IRON BARS, WHICH ARE NOT PERMITTED. SO WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THEM WITH, WITH PANELS, BUT THAT WILL BE IN COMPLIANCE. AND FINALLY, THE ONE YOU MENTIONED, MITCH, IS THE FENCING. AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY THE TWO VACANT PROPERTIES WHERE WE GOT THE PRIOR APPROVALS LAST MONTH, DO HAVE ALL THE SODDING, THE LANDSCAPING, AND THE DECORATIVE ALUMINUM FENCING THROUGHOUT. UH, WE RECENTLY GOT A VIOLATION JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO FOR THE SAME THING ON THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE IT IS IN FACT VACANT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE TOLD THE MAGISTRATE AND THEY DID GIVE US TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS HEARING TODAY AND THIS PROCESS GOING, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE HPB, THIS COULD TURN TO A CONSTRUCTION SITE, WHICH IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF STANDARDS. SO FOR THEM TO NOW PUT A, SPEND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON A FENCE THAT MAY COME DOWN A MONTH LATER, DEPENDING ON THIS, THIS PROCESS DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. THE MAGISTRATE AGREED WITH THAT AND GAVE US TIME TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE VIOLATIONS. THEY'VE ADDRESSED A MULTITUDE OF VIOLATIONS, NOT ONLY ON THIS, BUT THE OTHER PROPERTIES. THEY SPENT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON SEA WALL PERMITTING. THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT THAT THEY'VE PUT TOWARDS VIOLATIONS IN GENERAL IS, IS QUITE IMPRESSIVE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LEFT. THANK YOU. OKAY, MITCH? UH, YES. UH, MICHAEL, I, I BELIEVE YOU HAD MENTIONED THE, UH, UH, THE PEOPLE WHO NOW CONTROL THE, THE ESTATE. UH, IT WAS, UH, BEQUEATHED TO THEM, UH, AND THE, UH, ANY PROFITS WOULD BE DONATED TO CHARITY. MM-HMM . UH, I WAS, UH, HAVE TO STATE, I I I WAS FRIENDLY. UH, FIRST MET RITA IN THE LATE 1980S WHEN SHE WAS, UH, RUNNING THE NATURE'S GARDEN BAKERY. UH, UH, THAT HAD, YOU KNOW, IT WAS REALLY, UH, INTERESTING FOR ITS TIME. IT HAD A NATURAL, UH, A NATIONAL DISTRIBUTION. THEY USED ORGANIC INGREDIENTS, UH, LARGELY ORGANIC INGREDIENTS. AND UH, SHE WAS INCREDIBLE. AND IVER, UH, UH, WAS, WE'VE BEEN FRIENDS IN ADVERSARIES, UH, O OVER THE YEARS. YEAH. I'M JUST CURIOUS, I IMAGINE, UH, THE, UH, UH, ANY PROFIT WOULD BE GIVEN TO CHARITY, I IMAGINE A CANCER CHARITY. CORRECT. THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS RITA AND IGOR'S WISH. UH, OKAY. YEAH. THANKS. UH, THERE'S NO OTHER, UH, RITA'S BROTHERS NO LONGER, UH, HUMONGOUS. THEY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER RELATIVES THAT THEY WERE CLOSE WITH. WHAT I LEARNED YESTERDAY WAS IOR GO AROUND CALLING EVERYBODY HIS NEPHEW. THEY WERE NOT HIS, I WAS HIS NEPHEW . SO, NO. AND IT WAS BEQUEATHED TO A TRUST AND THEY'RE THE CO-TRUSTEES. GOT IT. ELIZABETH. YEAH. SO WE WERE, SINCE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PRECEDENTS BEFORE AND THERE WERE THREE PROPERTIES. THREE LOTS, AND THEN THE OTHER TWO HOMES HAVE BEEN ALREADY DEMOLISHED. AND WE HAVE, WE SAW THE PROJECTS BY JENNIFER, CONGRATULATIONS, JENNIFER, ON THE DESIGN, THE THING YOU DID ACCOMPLISH, WHAT YOU'RE SETTING YOURSELF FOR AND REALLY RECREATING THREE DIFFERENT STRUCTURES. UH, SO I WOULD LIKE, IF YOU MAY, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE BETWEEN THIS HOME AND THE OTHER TWO THAT HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED. JUST TO REFRESH OUR MEMORIES 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE AND THE ARCHITECTURAL SITU UH, THE STRUCTURAL STATE OF THIS HOME COMPARED TO THE OTHER TWO. 'CAUSE SOME OF, I MEAN, A LOT OF THE REPAIRS THAT YUSEF MENTIONED BEFORE, I HAVE DONE FOR SEVERAL CLIENTS. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WHENEVER YOU TOUCH ANOTHER HOME, THEY HAVE TO BE DONE. SO IT'S BECOME LIKE, KIND OF, THAT'S PART OF LIFE NOWADAYS. BUT, SO I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE. HOW WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN POTENTIALLY REPAIRING THIS HOME VERSUS THE OTHER TWO THAT WERE, WE HAVE ALLOWED THE DEMOLITION AND THE ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT? SURE. SO [00:40:01] THE UNPERMITTED ADDITIONS IN 18 10, 18 18 WERE TO THE DEGREE AND THE LEVEL OF CARE WAS SO LACKING IN THOSE STRUCTURES THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ISSUED MERCY DEMOLITION ORDERS HERE, IT'S CLOSE, BUT, YOU KNOW, COULD I HAVE GONE TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND MADE MY CASE? I DIDN'T, I, I THOUGHT THAT WAS NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I WANTED TO COME HERE AND MAKE MY CASE TO YOU ALL MY POINT, AND YUSEF CAN BACK ME UP AFTER I'M DONE WITH THESE COUPLE OF COMMENTS. BUT WHEN YOU REMOVE THE ROOF, WHEN YOU SUBSTANTIALLY DEMOLISH THE WALLS, 70, 80% WHEN YOU REMOVE THE FLOORINGS, IT HAS TO BE REMOVED. WHEN YOU STRENGTHEN THE FOUNDATION, IT'S, YOU'RE DEALING WITH A BRAND NEW HOME. SO IT WOULD BE A FICTION TO SAY THAT THE HISTORIC HOME WOULD BE SAVED. 'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING LEFT AT THE HISTORIC HOME WHEN ALL THE REPAIRS WOULD BE DONE. AND THAT ALSO BEGS THE QUESTION, ONCE YOU DO ALL OF THAT, IT'S STILL STUCK ON THE GROUND AND IT'S STILL GONNA BE A MAGNET FOR FLOOD WATERS TO COME IN. AND I JUST, I JUST SEE A FUTURE OF THAT HOME THAT'S BLEAK. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH FROM TIME TO TIME. BUT I, IT'S, IT'S NOT, I DON'T, I THINK IT'S, UM, BEING TOO KIND TO SAY, YOU JUST HAVE TO REPAIR IT AND EVERYTHING WILL BE GOOD. 'CAUSE WHEN YOU REPAIR IT, YOU'RE BASICALLY STRIPPING OUT ALL THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE HOME AND YOU'RE BASICALLY, IT WILL BE A BRAND NEW HOME. UM, YUSEF DO YOU WANNA, UM, MAYBE START WITH A CONTRAST BETWEEN, YOU WERE THE ENGINEER FOR 1818? YES. YES. WHAT, WHAT WAS SOME CONTRASTING ELEMENTS? WELL, THE, THE, THERE, THERE WERE CONTRASTING ELEMENTS AND THERE WERE SIMILAR ELEMENTS TOO. UH, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL THE HOUSES HAD, UH, WATER DAMAGE, ALL THE HOUSES HAD FLOOD DAMAGE, HAD, UH, SETTLEMENT ISSUES. UH, THIS HOUSE WAS A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN THE OTHER TWO. UH, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT WAS GOOD. UH, YOU KNOW, IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE MICHAEL SAID, BY THE TIME YOU DO ALL THESE STEPS OF REPAIR, UH, IT'S, IT'S A BRAND NEW HOME. OKAY. THANK YOU. YU DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MS. CAMARGO? SO WE ARE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE OTHER TWO HOMES VERSUS THIS ONE. I THINK THEY'RE BOTH CONTRIBUTING. YEAH. I APOLOGIZE 'CAUSE MAYBE THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION. ALL THREE OF THE, THE PROPERTIES ARE CONTRIBUTING. UM, YOU KNOW, AS JENNIFER MENTIONED, THEY WERE DESIGNED BY DIFFERENT ARCHITECTS. THEY ALL HAVE THEIR UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS. YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, THE HOME ON THE CANAL, WHICH IS AT 1818, THAT'S THE SCHULTZ AND WEAVER HOME, UM, WAS, WAS PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT HOME IN PALM VIEW. UM, IN TERMS OF ITS ARCHITECTURAL, UM, ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS. THE LOCATION OF IT, I THINK MADE IT PROBABLY, UM, ONE OF THE MOST PROMINENT AND VISUAL, UM, INDICATIONS OF THE PALM VIEW HISTORIC DISTRICT. THERE. WE HAD POSTCARDS. IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, IT HAD THAT VENETIAN QUALITY TO IT AND A LOT OF THE POSTCARDS. UM, BUT LOOKING AT THIS HOME, IT IS HIGHLY CHARACTERISTIC OF THE PERIOD OF, OF TIME. IT WAS WELL DETAILED INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT MEDITERRANEAN, UH, FEATURES AS WELL AS ART DECO FEATURES. SO I, I DO THINK, UM, THIS HAS BEEN, THIS PARTICULAR HOME WAS ALTERED LESS THAN THE OTHER TWO. UM, CERTAINLY MUCH LESS THAN 1810. 1810 HAD THE MOST ALTERATIONS AND, AND ADDITIONS ATTACHED TO IT. UM, THIS HOME IS, IS RELATIVELY INTACT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UM, CERTAIN MODIFICATIONS THAT WERE DONE INAPPROPRIATELY AND THE SMALL, SMALL ADDITIONS THAT WERE ADDED WITHOUT PERMITS. GREAT. THANK YOU. HASKELL, DID YOU, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I GUESS THIS QUESTIONS FOR JENNIFER, THE NEW BUILDING FOOTPRINT, DOES IT EXCEED THE FORMER BUILDING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE, UM, ILLEGAL ADDITIONS? WE BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S VERY SIMILAR. UM, BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE, UH, THEY WEREN'T, THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONS AND SOME, THERE WERE, THERE WERE PORCHES THAT WERE ALREADY THERE. SO IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO, AND I THINK IN THE PACKAGE THERE'S A PLAN, I JUST DON'T HAVE IT. I'M SORRY, I WOULD'VE LOOKED IT UP. I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE IT. BUT, UM, WHEN YOU SAY VERY SIMILAR, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T EXCEED WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE, I WOULD BE MORE AMENABLE TO SUPPORTING YOU. BUT OTHERWISE, I, I HEARD WHAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID, THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH DESCRIBING 75% OF THE HOMES ON MIAMI BEACH. UM, BUT EVERY INDIVIDUAL BUILDING IS UNIQUE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE OF ECONOMICS. ANY [00:45:01] BUILDING CAN BE RETROFITTED TO TODAY'S STANDARDS, ANY BUILDING, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF COST. SO TO SAY THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATE IN THOSE COSTS, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT MAY BE COST PROHIBITIVE. I JUST WANT TO KNOW, I GUESS MY BASIC QUESTION, ARE YOU WITHIN THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING VARIANCE? PARDON ME? THERE'S NO VARIANCES. SO THEY'RE WITHIN, WELL ANSWER. WE CAN PULL UP THE SLIDE. THERE'S A SLIDE RIGHT NOW. IF THEY CAN PULL UP THE PRESENTATION. SO ON THE TOP YOU CAN SEE WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. UM, OBVIOUSLY IT WAS RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY LINE BEFORE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE, THE ONE ON THE TOP IS WHAT'S THERE. NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, IT'S DEFINITELY A SMALLER FOOTPRINT. ABSOLUTELY. UM, THE ONE ON TOP INCLUDES THE ILLEGAL ADDITIONS OR THE ADDITIONS OVER THE YEARS, CORRECT? YES. AND SOME OF THESE, OKAY, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WITHOUT THE ILLEGAL ADDITIONS. GO TO THE, UM, THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS IT THROUGH THE YEARS. I THINK I SAW THAT ON THERE. THERE WE GO. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 1941 AERIAL, THIS IS THE EARLIEST WE HAVE. IT'S ALMOST IDENTICAL TO WHAT'S THERE. NOW THERE'S VERY FEW ADDITIONS THAT WERE ADDED EXCEPT THAT COURTYARD IN THE, IN THE CENTER. YOU SEE THAT WE, THAT WAS ENCLOSED. BUT WHAT, WHAT THAT WAS ON THE BACK WAS A, WAS AN, WAS A PORCH. SO IT MADE IT, IT MADE IT A BIGGER FOOTPRINT. SO WE, THERE WASN'T ADDITIONS AS IN DIFFERENT THINGS WERE ADDED ONTO IT. THERE'S A FEW LITTLE THINGS, BUT THAT WHAT YOU SEE THERE NOW IS 90% OF WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY IN REGARDS TO THE FOOTPRINT. OKAY. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE ON 1941, IT'S STILL, IT'S, IT'S A VERY LARGE FOOTPRINT. BUILT FIVE FEET, LESS THAN FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINES. SO BASED ON WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH THE OWNER REGARDING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, I'LL, UH, DEFER TO THEM AND, UH, I'LL RESERVE MY, UH, MY, UH, SUPPORT FOR YOU TILL LATER. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. YES. OKAY. SO OBVIOUSLY THE STAFF HAS REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE TO DISCUSS, UM, WHAT COULD BE PRESERVED FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING. WHAT I DON'T SEE, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN HIGHLIGHTED, BUT MAYBE I MISSED IT, UM, OTHER THAN LIKE SPEAKING TO THE LANGUAGE THAT THE EXISTING HOUSE WAS, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU FOUND THAT YOU'RE INCLUDING IN INCORPORATING IN THE EXISTING DESIGN FROM THE, FROM THE EXISTING, INCORPORATING THE NEW DESIGN FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING SPECIFIC ELEMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT YOU CAN POINT TO AND TALK ABOUT FOR US? AND I, I DON'T MEAN NECESSARILY RECREATION, I'M TALKING SPECIFICALLY SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE INCORPORATING. I'M JUST CURIOUS. SO SOMETHING THAT'S, WE, WE WOULD TAKE FROM THE EXISTING HOUSE AND USE OCCASIONALLY THAT HAPPENS. AND I JUST WANNA KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OF THAT HERE. UH, RIGHT NOW, NO. UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I SAW THAT WE COULD WOULD BE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A FIREPLACE THAT'S THERE. I MEAN, THAT WE COULD TAKE AND, AND RECL INCLUDE THAT ON THE INSIDE. THERE'S REALLY NOTHING LEFT ON THE OUTSIDE. THERE'S SOME STONE ON THE, ON THE, THE FRONT FACE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'D BE AMENABLE TO TO DOING THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU TAKE THAT DOWN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SALVAGE THAT. UH, IT'S VERY BRITTLE. UM, WE WOULD CERTAINLY TRY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. BUT I THINK THE MASSING ITSELF, I THINK THAT'S A BIG SALVAGE. I MEAN, I THINK THE FACT THAT WE CREATED THE ENTRY WHERE IT WAS THE GARAGE WHERE IT WAS, WE HAVE THE, THE LONG BAR. I MEAN, TO ME THAT'S MORE OF A HOMAGE THAN TRYING TO FORCE SOMETHING, UM, TO BE SALVAGED AND PUT ON THE BUILDING. OKAY, RAY. 'CAUSE UH, OKAY, FIRST OFF, I DUNNO IF YOU REALLY SET IT YET. YOU'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB IN, IN YOUR PRESENTATION. THE HOME REALLY BLENDS WELL WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE THE ORIGINAL HOME, BUT NEWER AND UPDATED. AND FOR THOSE THAT MIGHT NOT KNOW, THE CITY RIGHT NOW HAS A PERMANENT SETUP IN THE PALM VIEW NEIGHBORHOOD TO TRY AND TAKE THE WATER AND PUMP IT OUT AND IN INTO THE CANAL. AND I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S BEEN THERE FOR, FOR WEEKS AND I'M SURE IT'S GONNA STAY THERE UNTIL WHATEVER THEY DO WITH RAISING THE ROADS. AND SO I AM CONCERNED WITH WHAT YOU PRESENTED, THAT IF YOU DON'T RAISE THE HOME, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BERMS LIKE ON THREE SIDES AND, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST ASKING TO FLOOD THAT PROPERTY. YOU DID A VERY NICE JOB OF PRESENTING THAT. ALRIGHT. UM, THANK YOU RAY. I WANTED TO GO BACK TO, UH, SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE, UM, AND, AND KIND OF GET TO THE POINT OF, I THINK OUR BOARDS KIND OF WITH THE STAFF AS OUR PROFESSIONAL GUIDES HERE, UH, AND THEY'RE RECOMMENDING MORE TIME TO LOOK AT WHETHER A PIECE OF THE, A PIECE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING NOT JUST A, NOT JUST A, A CHIMNEY, BUT LIKE A, LIKE SOME PORTION OF IT. WHAT DO, AND I DIDN'T SEE THIS IN YOUR PRESENTATION AT ALL, LIKE [00:50:01] EVEN ADDRESSING IT AS LIKE, NO, THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. CAN YOU ADDRESS THIS, WHETHER IT'S POSSIBLE OR NOT POSSIBLE OR, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I SEE WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF WHAT THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UH, IN THEIR PROFESSIONAL OPINION AS BEING LOOKED AT. THEY'RE NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE DONE, BUT THEY'RE ASKING IT TO BE LOOKED AT. IS THAT SOMETHING, UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? I MEAN, I, WE DID LOOK AT, I MEAN, MEAN FROM WHEN WE FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT THIS HOUSE, WE DID LOOK AT CAN WE SAVE IT? CAN WE LIFT IT? UM, WHAT CAN WE DO? UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE GARAGE, THEY SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR A PORTION, NOT FOR THE WHOLE THING. WELL THE, THE, THE MAIN HOUSE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS MADE UP OF SEVERAL PIECES. UM, OBVIOUSLY, SO THERE'S THAT MAIN BAR, IT'S, IT'S 12 FEET, 13 FEET WIDE MAX. UM, AND, AND THEN LIFTING IT, WHAT IS, YOU REALLY GOTTA LOVE THIS HOUSE TO WANNA DO THAT. AND I, AND I, I, YOU KNOW, WE, I LOVE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE. THAT'S WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING. BUT IT, THE, THE, THE FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY OF DOING THAT, IT'S JUST, IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE AT ALL. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WOULD EVER DO IT. THAT'S THE, THE PROBLEM. AND STAFF MENTIONED THAT IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE RAISED IN THAT CASE BECAUSE THEY COULD IN THAT YOU COULD GET A SPECIAL CFO WITHOUT AND, AND WOULD SOMEBODY WANNA PAY THE INSURANCE ON THAT HOUSE AND WHO WOULD BUY IT? YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE QUESTION. IT OKAY. IT SO I'M, YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION. ARE YOU WILLING OR NOT? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO KNOW THIS AS A BOARD WHEN WE KIND OF CAN TALK TO EACH OTHER ABOUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. ARE YOU, ARE YOU INTERESTED AT ALL IN THAT IN, ARE YOU, YEAH, JUST ARE YOU WILLING TO LOOK AT THAT OR NOT? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE I, WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE YOU STAND I THINK ON THIS, RIGHT. WE WOULD GREATLY PREFER TO HAVE A BRAND NEW HOME WITHIN THIS PROPERTY. WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT, WE'VE TALKED AS A TEAM ABOUT SAVING DIFFERENT PORTIONS AND I'M NOT, I HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THIS WITH THE BILLING OFFICIAL OR OUR FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR, BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW. IT SAYS IN THIS DEFINITION OF SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT, WHICH IS WHAT THE 50% RULE IS. THE VERY BOTTOM SENTENCE. IT SAYS THAT HOMES ARE EXCLUDED FROM THE DEFINITION. SO THAT'S GREAT. BUT IS A PORTION OF A HOME EXCLUDED FROM THE DEFINITION? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD REQUIRE. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT, THE IDEA IS TO TRY TO RELIEVE ENTIRE HOMES FROM THE BURDEN OF COMPLYING WITH FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS. AND THE 50% RULE IS A PORTION OF A HOME, YOU KNOW, DESERVE THAT SAME TYPE OF LEVEL OF PROTECTION FROM THIS DEFINITION. I DON'T KNOW. UM, DEBBIE, DID YOU WANNA WEIGH IN A LITTLE BIT ON THAT? DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO PROVIDE THIS SUPPORT? YEAH, UM, ULTIMATELY IT'S THE BUILDING OFFICIAL THAT WOULD MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. BUT FROM MY EXPERIENCE, UM, WITH, WITH A MULTITUDE OF PROJECTS, UM, OVER THE PAST PROBABLY TWO DECADES, UM, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL HAS AUTHORIZED RELIEF FROM THE FINISHED FLOOR LEVEL, UM, FOR PORTIONS OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE RETAINED AND RESTORED. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THIS CASE, BUT FROM MY EXPERIENCE THAT HAS OCCURRED IN THE PAST. PERFECT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. I THINK, WE'LL, I THINK WE'LL TAKE UP ANY IF, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, WE'LL KIND OF TAKE THAT UP AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT PRESENTATION. UM, SO NEXT WE GET, UH, BOARD DISCLOSURES. NO, NO, NO, NO. UM, FOR THE RECORD THAT USED TO BE, WE'RE, UH, THE STEWARTS LIVED WHERE WHAT? STEWART? STEWART AND HIS WIFE DANA. OH, REALLY? THEY, YEAH. THEY USED TO LIVE IN, I THINK IN THE GARAGE PORTION. OH. WELL THANK YOU FOR SHARING. UM, THANK YOU RAY. AND NOW WE WILL OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC HEARING. UM, YES. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE PLEASE COME FORWARD. IF YOU ARE ON ZOOM AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. HI, I'M ROGER BLAD, MDPL 1750 JAMES AVENUE. UH, WE STRONGLY OPPOSE THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION. THIS APPEARS TO BE A CASE OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT WITH THE OWNERS ARE INTENTIONALLY ALLOWING THE PROPERTY TO DETERIORATE, TO JUSTIFY THE DEMOLITION. AT WHAT POINT DO WE STOP REWARDING THIS SORT OF BEHAVIOR? UH, DESPITE AN ENGINEER IDENTIFYING HOLES IN THE ROOF MONTHS AGO, THE OWNERS HAVE FAILED TO FILE PERMITS OR EVEN PLACE A TARP TO PREVENT FURTHER DAMAGE. THE OWNERS REFUSE TO SELL INDIVIDUAL LOTS AND WILL ONLY SELL 'EM TOGETHER AS A DEVELOPMENT OPPORTU OPPORTUNITY REVEALING THE TRUE INTENTIONS. IF AGING CONCRETE AND STANDARD MAINTENANCE ISSUES SUCH AS MOISTURE, INTRUSION, JUSTIFIED DEMOLITION, THEN VIRTUALLY EVERY HISTORIC PROPERTY IN THE CITY [00:55:01] BECOMES VULNERABLE. THIS WOULD SET AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS PRESIDENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANDREW. ANDREW MELLI, 1210 MICHIGAN. I DIDN'T COME HERE TO SPEAK, YOU KNOW, IN IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT. I CAME HERE TO SUPPORT JOHN WHO HASN'T COME UP YET. BUT HEARING THIS, I WANTED TO SAY THAT I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU AS BOARD MEMBERS AND AS STAFF UNDERSTAND THAT THIS COMMUNITY, UM, THE, UH, HISTORIC COMMUNITY IS FALLING APART. THERE ARE, SO, THERE ARE ALMOST AS MANY VACANT HOMES AS OCCUPIED HOMES. UM, IN MY BLOCK ON 12TH IN MICHIGAN, HALF THE HOMES ARE NOT OCCUPIED. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO JUST SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO COME TO THIS BOARD. AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE I THINK EVERY SINGLE LOT, EVERY SINGLE HOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE CONSIDERED CONTRIBUTING ON MY BLOCK. I BOUGHT A HOME FOR MY SISTER SARAH, WHO NOW LIVES IN LAKEVIEW. THAT WAS COMPLETELY NON HISTORIC. IT WAS BUILT IN THE 1960S. IT WAS JUST SITUATED POORLY AND BUILT CHEAPLY, AND WE WANTED TO KNOCK IT DOWN AND BUILD A BEAUTIFUL HOME. AND IT WAS SO EXPENSIVE AT THE TIME. WE GOT A GOOD OFFER, WE SOLD IT, AND IT'S SITTING THERE EMPTY STILL FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS SINCE I SOLD IT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE BOARD PICKS THE REALLY IMPORTANT HISTORIC HOMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. LIKE A GOOD EXAMPLE WOULD BE 1301 LENNOX. UM, BE BEAUTIFUL RENOVATION THAT HAPPENED ON THE CORNER OF 13TH IN LENNOX. PICK 10 OR 15 REALLY BEAUTIFUL HOMES AND DESIGNATE THEM AND GIVE EVERYONE ELSE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT, UH, THE, THIS ESTATE IS GOING FOR BY WRIGHT. I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, I HOPE BEING THAT THEY'RE GIVING THIS MONEY TO CHARITY. WE APPROVE THIS TODAY AND LET IT MOVE FORWARD AND LET, LET LET PEOPLE HAVE BEAUTIFUL NEW HOMES THAT WILL IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WE DESPERATELY NEED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, ON ZOOM WE HAVE PAUL FREEMAN. GOOD MORNING PAUL. HI PAUL. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. OKAY. YEAH, I'M NOT GOING TO USE THE THREE MINUTES. I AGREE THAT, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK YOU'VE GOT BAD ACTORS THAT HAVEN'T DONE A LOT. THE, UH, PROPERTY. I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET AND I LOOK AT WHAT SHOULD BE KNOCKED DOWN, WHICH IS SOME OF THE ADDITIONS. AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN, THE PROPERTY IS CERTAINLY, UH, TRYING TO GET DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT. THAT ALL SAID, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH KNOCKING THE PROPERTY DOWN AND BUILDING A NEW PROPERTY. WHAT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, AND NO ONE HAS ADDRESSED IS WHEN YOU REBUILD AND YOU REBUILD THE CURRENT FLOODPLAIN AND YOU TAKE A LOOK AT, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I SAW OF THE, OF THE RENDERINGS, WE'RE GONNA FLOOD THE STREET AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS SITTING AT SIX FOOT OF ELEVATION. AND WHEN YOU PUT THIS AT 10, IT CREATES A REAL PROBLEM. AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY IN, IN THE, IN THE DIAGRAM THAT WAS DONE IN THE PRESENTATION, I HAVE NOT SEEN DRAINAGE THAT WAS GOING TO RETAIN THE WATER ON THE SITE TO KEEP IT FROM GOING INTO THE STREET. THAT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHETHER YOU TRY AND RECONSTRUCT OR DON'T RECONSTRUCT SOMETHING THAT LOOKS HISTORIC. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE IT LOOK HISTORIC, BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU WIND UP CREATING DRAINAGE THAT GOES INTO THE STREET FROM MORE, UH, MORE CONCRETE THAN, THAN YOU'RE, YOU'RE CREATING A PROBLEM AND IT'S NOT ADDRESSED. AND WHEN YOU OWN FOUR LOTS, IT'S REAL EASY FOR THEM TO CREATE SOME PONDING, CREATE SOMETHING WHERE TO DRAINAGE STAYS ON THE SITE. AND IF THEY DO THAT, THEN I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE NOT, NOT AS BIG A PROBLEM. THAT'S ALL I WANNA SAY, OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, YOU, WHATEVER YOU DO IS REWARDING PEOPLE FOR BEING BAD ACTORS, BECAUSE THAT IS AN EYESORE AND WE LOOK AT IT EVERY DAY AND THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING. AND, AND THAT'S SINCE BEFORE IVO AND RITA DIED. SO THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW, BY NEGLECT AND THEY'VE DONE IT, BUT I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THAT. BUT THE DRAINAGE WE DO CARE ABOUT A LOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, NEXT ON ZOOM, WE HAVE CHRIS GLODE. HI CHRIS. DO YOU SWEAR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. HI EVERYONE. I'M CHRIS GLODE. I LIVE AT 1760 JEFFERSON AVENUE, WHICH IS ABOUT TWO BLOCKS EAST OF THIS PROPERTY. AND AS AN OWNER OF A PALM VIEW HOME THAT'S EVEN OLDER [01:00:01] THAN THIS PROPERTY, I'M VERY EXPERIENCED IN SIGNIFICANT TROUBLES THAT YOU EXPERIENCED DURING REMODEL AND AND OWNERSHIP. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT MAKING THOSE REPAIRS IS NECESSARY AND EXPENSIVE AND A PAIN IN THE NECK. I'VE DEALT WITH CRACKING AND SPING AND WATER DAMAGE AND TERMITE DAMAGE AND FOUNDATION TROUBLE AND ROOF TROUBLE AND WINDOW FAILURE, ENDORSED FAILURES AND MORE. AND I HAVE ALSO MADE SOME VERY QUESTIONABLE FINANCIAL DECISIONS TO FIX THOSE SHORTCOMINGS. SO PEOPLE TALK, TALK ABOUT THE EXPENSE AND SAY, YOU REALLY HAVE TO LOVE OLD HOMES. THEY'RE RIGHT. AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT REALLY LOVE OLD HOMES AND WILL REALLY MAKE THOSE, UH, INVESTMENTS. THIS PROPERTY IS DEFINITELY A VICTIM OF STRATEGIC NEGLECT. STRATEGIC NEGLECT. RESIDENTS WERE EVICTED ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO. THE HOUSE WENT INTO DECLINE. WE HAD SQUATTERS. WE HAD CLIMATE COMING IN, WE HAD NO HVAC. YOU SEE MOLD, YOU SEE TRASH. ALL OF THAT IS VERY DRAMATIC AND TOTALLY EXPECTED AND VERY STRATEGIC. THE EXPENSIVE REPAIRS ARE NOT A REASON FOR DEMOLITION. IT'S JUST A FACT THAT NEGLECTING A PROPERTY WILL MAKE IT WORTH LESS. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE FINANCIAL DECISIONS HERE, IT'S WORTH LESS BECAUSE IT WAS NEGLECTED. IOR LOVE HIM OR HATE HIM, HE NEGLECTED THE PROPERTY. IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, IT'S BEEN NEGLECTED EVEN MORE. THE PROPERTY AND THE LOT ARE NOT WORTH A BIG SUM OF MONEY BECAUSE IT WAS NEGLECTED. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT PROPOSED HOME WILL EVER BE BUILT. THE PARTIES, OTHER PARTIES HAVE ASKED TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THEY'VE BEEN IGNORED, REJECTED, OR QUOTED UNREALISTIC PRICES. YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN SOME RENDERINGS OF PROPERTIES AT 1810 AND 1818 MICHIGAN, WHICH ARE ADJOINING. THOSE ARE EMPTY LOTS. NOW, NONE OF THOSE LOTS HAVE BEEN LISTED ON THE MLS FOR SALE. THIS IS, I BELIEVE, AN ATTEMPT TO ASSEMBLE THESE PROPERTIES AND REV DEVELOP THE WHOLE COMPLEX INTO A NEW COMPLEX OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I, I DREAD COMING BACK TO YOU IN 18 MONTHS TO TELL YOU THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HA IS HAPPENING. IF YOU APPROVE THIS APPLICATION, OUR NEIGHBORS, RITA AND IOR, THEY ARE UNFORTUNATELY DEAD. THIS ISN'T A STORY ABOUT RITA. RITA. IT'S NOT A STORY ABOUT IOR. IT'S NOT A STORY ABOUT MAXIMIZING THE VALUE OF FOUR ADJOINING PROPERTIES FOR A CHARITY. THIS IS A STORY ABOUT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. PALM VIEW HAD A LOT OF ABANDONED AND VACANT PROPERTIES 30 YEARS AGO. WE HAD A LOT OF WINDOWS WITH PLYWOOD COVERS. WE ARE CRAWLING OUT OF THAT. WE ARE, WE HAVE PEOPLE MAKING INVESTMENTS AND IMPROVING THEIR HOMES. NOW, THIS IS A STORY ABOUT NOT INCENTING MYSELF AND MY NEIGHBORS TO NEGLECT OUR HOMES AND RETURN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO BLIGHT SO THAT IT CAN BE ULTIMATELY BULLDOZED DOWN. I'M ASKING YOU AS MEMBERS OF THE HPB TO PRESERVE SOME OF THE FINAL REMNANTS OF SOUTH BEACH'S HISTORY AND REJECT THIS APPLICATION. OKAY. UM, MR. CHAIR, I SEE NO MORE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO COMMENT. ALRIGHT, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH THEN. UH, IS THERE ANY REBUTTAL THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE TO SOME OF THE, UH, COMMENTS? YES. YES. MR. UH, CHAIRMAN, JUST TWO, UH, SPEAKERS, ME AND ANTHONY. UH, ANTHONY WILL ADDRESS THE CHARGES OF DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT. OKAY. STRATEGIC NEGLECT AND CHARACTERIZATION OF HIM AS A BAD ACTOR. UM, THE MDPL SPEAKER SAID THAT THIS WILL ONLY BE SOLD AS ASSEMBLAGE, THAT THERE'S SOME GRAND STRATEGY HERE. THAT'S NOT CORRECT. IVO AMITA OWNED HOMES ON THE EAST SIDE OF MICHIGAN, THREE HOMES. THESE HAVE EACH BEEN SOLD TO INDIVIDUAL BUYERS. SO THAT IS JUST FLAT OUT NOT TRUE. AND THE WORD PRESIDENT HAS BEEN USED A LOT. BUT AGAIN, IT'S A FACT. IT INTENSIVE INQUIRY WITH REGARDING DEMOLITION OF HOMES. AND WHEN YOU USE THE WORD PRECEDENT, EVEN WHEN AN APPELLATE COURT USES IT, THE IDEA OF PRECEDENT IS CONSTRAINED BY A SET OF FACTS. WHEN A COURT ISSUES A DECISION AND AS A HOLDING IT, THE HOLDING IS CONSTRAINED BY FACTS. HERE WE ARE SIMILARLY CONSTRAINED BY FACTS. SO YOU CAN USE THE TERM PRECEDENT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT HAS A FAR WIDE RANGING EFFECT THAT THOSE THAT USE THAT WORD REALLY DO BELIEVE IT HAS. UM, WITH REGARD TO PAUL'S CONCERN ABOUT FLOODING, JUST KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT HERE, CORAL GABLES MIAMI, ALL REQUIRE THAT THE STORM WATER BE RETAINED ON SITE. THE DRAINAGE ISSUES IN SOUTH FLORIDA ARE HORRENDOUS. SO THAT WAS A POLICY DECISION MADE BY THESE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENTS YEARS AND YEARS AGO. SO YES, THE HOME WILL BE ELEVATED, BUT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT REQUIRES THAT ALL DRAINAGE, ALL STORMWATER BE RETAINED ON SITE. AND AGAIN, THE LAST SPEAKER, AGAIN, THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER REPAIRS CAN BE MADE HASKELL'S RIGHT, IS SOMETIMES THE QUESTION OF MONEY. BUT ONCE YOU MAKE ALL THESE REPAIRS AND YOU TAKE A GET RID OF THE ROOF AND YOU DEMOLISH ADR IN THE WALLS AND YOU GET RID OF THE FLOORS, THAT WHAT IS LEFT OF THE HISTORIC HOME? WHAT IS REALLY LEFT? I THINK THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY HAS BEEN STRIPPED [01:05:01] FROM THE HOME. AND THE VALLEY EFFECT IS VERY REAL. IT'S NOT SOME FUTURE FANTASY THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. MAYBE IT WILL HAPPEN. 18TH STREET WILL BE RAISED, MICHIGAN WILL BE RAISED. THE LOT TO THE NORTH WILL BE DEVELOPED. A LOT TO THE WEST WILL BE DEVELOPED. AND THEN BECAUSE THIS HOME, OR EVEN A PORTION THEREOF HAS TO REMAIN AT GRADE BASED UPON STRUCTURAL INFIRMITY OF THE CONCRETE, YOU'RE GONNA BE IN A VALLEY. AND THAT IS THE LAST PLACE A HOMEOWNER REALLY WANTS TO BE. SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN OVER TO ANTHONY AND LET HIM, UH, DISCUSS THESE CHARGES. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS ANTHONY ED. I'VE BEEN AN ATTORNEY REPRESENTING RITA AND IVER SINCE 2014. UM, VERY BRIEFLY, RITA AND IVER ARE PEOPLE THAT LOVE THIS COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN. RITA WAS BORN AND RAISED IN MIAMI BEACH, AND THE GENTLEMAN SAID THAT HER DAD RAN A BAKERY ON COLLINS AVENUE SINCE THE 1970S. THEY WERE VERY FRUGAL PEOPLE. THEY NEVER INTENTIONALLY DID ANYTHING TO COME TO THIS BOARD AND ARGUE, OH, WE, WE NEED TO KNOCK IT DOWN, BECAUSE WE INTENTIONALLY NEGLECTED. THEY WERE FRUGAL PEOPLE, AND THAT'S HOW THEY LIVED THEIR LIFE. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY CAME INTO CONTACT WITH A PONZI SKIER BY THE NAME OF MICHAEL STERN. THEY SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON ATTORNEYS BEFORE I EVEN GOT INVOLVED. THIS LITIGATION EXPANDED FROM 2008 THROUGH 2019. THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE LUXURY AND THE MONIES TO SIT THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WOULD NOT ARGUE THAT THEY DID THIS BY INTENTIONAL NEGLECT. IN 2021, RITA UNFORTUNATELY PASSED AWAY. SUDDENLY. SHE WAS A VERY HEALTHY NIGHT. SHE WAS A 70-YEAR-OLD WOMAN THAT RAN SWAM AND JOCK AND RAN MARATHONS. OKAY? IT WAS VERY SUDDEN, MR. CONTER AND MYSELF WERE IDENTIFIED AS THE TRUSTEES REP. MR. CONTER REPRESENTED THEM FOR 30 YEARS. NONE OF US KNEW THAT WE WERE THE TRUSTEES UNTIL RITA PASSED ON. AND I WAS CONTACTED TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL TO MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT I SHOULD PULL THE PUG. AND THANK GOD SHE PASSED AWAY BEFORE I HAD TO MAKE THAT DECISION. SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT LOUIS AND I HAVE BEEN INTENTIONALLY NEGLECTING THIS PROPERTY, THAT'S THE FAR FURTHEST FROM THE TRUTH. WHEN ONE OF THE THINGS RITA MADE SURE IN THE TRUST THAT IVER WAS NEVER TO BE PUT IN A HOME. IVER SUFFERED SEVERE DEMENTIA AFTER SHE PASSED ON. AND WE MADE SURE HE WAS NOT PUT IN THE HOME. AND HE LIVED IN 1810 UNTIL IT WAS RED TAGGED. AND WE WERE TOLD EVERYONE HAS TO GO. AND WHEN I SAY EVERYONE, EVERYONE INCLUDING THE TENANTS IN 1800, WE WERE TOLD WE HIRED MICHAEL LARKIN IMMEDIATELY. WE, WE WERE TOLD HE'S THE BEST AND HE IS THE BEST. WE WERE HIRED THE ARCHITECT IMMEDIATELY. WE HIRED THE ENGINEERS IMMEDIATELY AND WE TRUSTED OUR PROFESSIONALS. IF WE WERE TOLD, OH, YOU COULD JUST REPAIR THE ROOF AT 1800 AND YOU COULD KEEP TENNIS IN THAT, WE WOULD'VE DONE THAT. AND I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED STEWART, HE DID LEAVE IN THE BACK AND WE HAD TO UNFORTUNATELY WOULD'VE BROKEN HEART, TELL HIM HE HAD TO MOVE ON, AND HE DID PURCHASE A CONDO. AND HE'S DOING VERY WELL. AND WE HELPED EVERY ONE OF THOSE TENANTS RELOCATE EVERY ONE OF 'EM. AND WE DID OUR BEST TO KEEP READING AND I'S DREAM ALIVE. AND IT WILL GO TO THE CHARITY OF CHILDREN WHO SUFFER FROM CANCER AND THEIR FAMILIES THAT GO THROUGH IT WITH THEM. WE ARE HERE TO MAXIMIZE THE PROFIT OF THESE PROPERTIES TO SAY THAT THERE'S BEEN OFFERS THAT WE'VE REJECTED, PUT THEM IN WRITING, AND WE'LL SELL IT TO THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE BIDDERS TO MAXIMIZE THE VALUE. YOU CANNOT SELL PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEING RED TAGGED, AND WE HAVE AN UNSAFE STRUCTURE AND MAXIMIZE THE VALUE OF THOSE PROPERTIES. WE JUST WANT TO DO THE BEST FOR THIS COMMUNITY, AND WE HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY, MEET OUR FIDUCIARY OBLIGATIONS. WE JUST, AND WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WORKING WITH EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD. AND WE JUST TAKE THE ADVICE OF OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS. AND COST IS A PROBLEM. IF YOU TELL US WE HAVE TO SPEND 5 MILLION TO RESTORE THE PROPERTY, THEN WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT COST EFFECTIVE. BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA SELL THIS PROPERTY FOR VERY LITTLE MONIES BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA WANNA BUY A PROPERTY BELOW THE FLOOD LEVELS THAT HAVE TO SPEND $5 MILLION TO BRING IT BACK TO CODE. SO WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO MAXIMIZE THE VALUE. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOUR EFFORT AND I, I DO APPRECIATE THE HISTORIC SOCIETY, AND I THINK MIAMI BEACH IS VERY HAPPY AND AND GRATEFUL FOR ALL OF YOU TO GIVE US YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, SO WITH THAT, WE'VE CONCLUDED THE, UM, THE, UH, UH, APPLICANT REBUTTAL TO PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT. SO MICHAEL, I THINK YOU DON'T NEED TO STAND UP NOW. WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE A CONVERSATION MYSELF, BUT WE'LL CALL ON YOU. UM, IF WE, IF WE NEED, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A TIME FOR, UH, BOARD MEMBER, UM, BOARD MEMBER COMMENT. UM, AND I'LL START WITH RANDY TO SEE IF YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, MAKE ANY COMMENTS, JUST YEAH, THANK YOU. UM, I DO AGREE THE NEW DESIGN IS, UM, VERY NICE FOR A NEW BUILDING IF YOU TEAR DOWN THE OLD ONE. UM, I'M ALSO EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRECEDENT THIS SETS. UM, I RENOVATED A HOUSE IN TAMPA THAT WAS PROBABLY WORTHY OF BEING TORN DOWN, BUT IT WAS RESTORED AT ALMOST EVERY PART OF IT WAS RESTORED. I THINK THAT THE [01:10:01] FIREPLACE WAS THE ONLY ELEMENT THAT WAS LEFT, BUT IT NOW, TODAY IT IS AN AMAZING HISTORIC HOUSE. EVEN THOUGH MUCH OF IT'S NEW, IT STILL HAS ALL THE CHARACTER OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. UM, AND THE UM, EFFORT THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT INTO THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IN MIAMI BEACH. IF YOU'RE GONNA BUY A PROPERTY, UM, THAT'S HISTORIC. UH, SO I, I THINK IT'S VERY DANGEROUS TO, UM, SAY JUST 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO REPLACE A LOT OF IT. WE WILL TEAR THE STRUCTURE DOWN, AS EVERYONE SAYS, THAT'S A LARGE MAJORITY OF THE, UM, MANY OF THE, OF THE BUILDINGS IN MIAMI BEACH. SO, UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE ELEVATION OF THE NEW HOUSE AND THE ELEVATION OF THE WALL ON THE, UH, STREET. UH, IT LOOKS VERY TALL ON THE SIDEWALK. I DON'T KNOW THAT. IS THERE PLANS TO RAISE THE STREET, THE TWO STREETS? THAT'S A STEP QUESTION FOR STAFF. IS THERE, UM, EVENTUALLY THERE ARE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, UM, THE TIMEFRAME IS WITH THE, WITH THE PROJECT, HOWEVER, BUT IT COULD BE YEARS OFF CONSIDERING. YES, THESE ARE NOT MAJOR CORRECT CORRIDORS. I MEAN, IT'S NOT AN IMMINENT, UM, PROJECT FOR THE CITY. OKAY. BUT IT IS IN THE PLAN, THE LONG-TERM PLAN. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU, RANDY. READY BEFORE YOU PRESENTED MICHAEL, I WAS DEAD SET AGAINST TEARING THIS HOME DOWN AND RESTORING IT AND MAINTAINING IT WITH THE ENTIRE REST OF THE PALM VIEW NEIGHBORHOOD. YOUR PRESENTATION IS COMPELLING. THE, UM, ARCHITECTURE OF THE NEW BUILDING. IT'S NOT A BIG CEMENT BOX OR ANYTHING. IT REALLY BLENDS IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S VERY CHARACTERISTIC OF THE ORIGINAL HOME. UM, SO, UM, WITH THE FACT OF, OF THE STAFF SAYING THAT THEY WANNA CONTINUE THIS NEXT OR TILL SEPTEMBER, I DON'T THINK THAT THE PRESENTATION WILL BE ANY DIFFERENT IN SEPTEMBER THAN IT IS TODAY. SO FOR ME, WE THINK, I FEEL WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY AND NOT LOOK TO, UM, CONTINUE IT BECAUSE YOU'VE MADE IT PRETTY CLEAR THERE'S NOT MUCH GONNA BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE SOUGHT TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU RAY ASCO. I LIKE YOUR DESIGN QUITE A BIT. I THINK IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE HOMES THAT YOU PREVIOUSLY DESIGNED. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT, THE WALL HEIGHT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON, I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE SOUTH SIDE, UH, ALONG THE, UM, PROPERTY. AND I DO HEAR THE CONCERNS OF THE, UM, RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IN LIGHT OF WHAT THE, UM, STAFFERS RECOMMENDING THAT YOU DO ADDRESS POSSIBILITY OF SAVING PORTIONS OF THE HOME. I ENJOYED THE, YOU KNOW, Q AND A EARLIER, BUT THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD HAVE FOR THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN LIGHT OF THAT. I WOULD, UM, SUPPORT THE IDEA OF DEFERRING IT TO, UM, TO, UH, SEPTEMBER AND STUDYING IT A BIT FURTHER TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY PORTIONS OF THE STRUCTURE THAT CAN BE SAVED. AND, UM, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH. YEAH. MICHAEL, YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE WATER WOULD EITHER BE RETAINED ON THE SITE OR WOULD THAT BE, COULD ALSO MEAN DIVERTED TO THE CANAL? YOU CAN, YOU CAN COME UP IF YOU'RE DIRECTLY ASKED. I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY FOR OUR COMMENT. OH, I, GO AHEAD. CLARIFICATION. CLARIFICATION. GO FOR IT. SO, THE ASSEMBLAGE IS CUT INTO FOUR DIFFERENT PARCELS. EACH PARCEL LOOKED AT INDEPENDENTLY, AND THE DOES, THE CITY DOES NOT LET YOU TIE INTO THEIR STORMWATER SYSTEM ON THEIR SURFACE, STORMWATER ON THE STREET. YOU HAVE TO RETAIN ALL THE STORMWATER WITHIN YOUR PROPERTY 'CAUSE THE STREET IS BURDENED ENOUGH WITH ALL THE RAINWATER COMING DOWN ON THE STREET, WHICH WILL ULTIMATELY ISSUE TO THE OUTFALL. BUT FOR OUR PURPOSES, THE STORM WATER HAS TO BE RETAINED WITHIN THE PROPERTY. AND THAT'S DONE WITH, UH, WHAT CISTERNS OR TANKS COULD BE CISTERNS, COULD BE A VARIETY OF FRESH DRINKS, FRENCH DRAINS. THANK YOU. UH, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS PRECEDENT, UH, THIS, UH, THE DEMOLITION OF, OF THIS HOME WOULD CERTAINLY NOT BE A PRECEDENT. THE PRECEDENT WAS SET DECADES AGO. UH, YOU KNOW, IT, UH, I'M LARGELY TORN. UH, JENNIFER, YOU MENTIONED THE FIREPLACE. UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY THE, UH, AT MINIMUM THE FRONT, FRONT FACADE OR THE, UH, PRIMARY ELEVATION COULD BE PRESERVED AND RAISED. BUT I UNDERSTAND FOR WHAT REASON IT ALL HAS TO DO WITH COST. UM, YOU KNOW, I, UH, I'M INCLINED TO, UH, THE, THE OTHER ASSEMBLAGES ON THE, THE SITE HAVE BEEN APPROVED, AND THOSE BUILDINGS WERE CERTAINLY DEMOLISHED. AND AS, AS STATED, UH, UH, THE, THE, THEIR STRUCTURAL [01:15:01] CONDITION WAS DIRE. UH, I, I DON'T SEE WHY THIS ONE SHOULD BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY, UH, ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT, UH, IT'S ALL GONNA GO TO CHARITY. UH, ANY, UH, ANYTHING LEFT OVER AT THE END? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MITCH. ELIZABETH? YES. SO, UH, AS, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE DESIGN BY JENNIFER. AND THE STORY YOU TOLD MIKE WAS VERY COMPELLING. AND ALL THE POINTS YOU BROUGHT UP ARE EXTREMELY VALUABLE. AND I, I FULLY AGREE WITH THEM IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH WE RENOVATE AN OLD STRUCTURE AND WHAT'S LEFT OF THE OLD, IF IT'S REALLY WORTH IT, AND IF THERE IS ANY MEANING PRESERVING SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN SO CHANGED AND MODIFIED AND REPLACED PARTS. BUT BEFORE, I THINK WE GO AHEAD. AND FOR ME, FOR MY OWN, UM, PEACE OF MIND, I THINK WE SHOULD GO THROUGH THE STUDY OF TRYING TO WORK WITH DEBBIE AND IDENTIFYING WHICH PART OF THE STRUCTURE THEY ARE CONSIDERING TO BE PRESERVED AND IF IT CAN ACTUALLY BE PRESERVED. BUT, AND MY POSITION WOULD BE NOT TO KEEP IT EXISTING, UM, FINISHED FOR ELEVATION. I THINK WHATEVER WE PRESERVED NEEDS TO BE RAISED TO THE FUTURE ELEVATION OF THE NEW HOME. 'CAUSE I THINK WE ARE JUST, UM, BUYING A PROBLEM FOR THE FUTURE. IF YOU KEEP THE HOUSE, THE EXISTING PORTION AT THE EXISTING ELEVATION, WE ARE JUST BUYING A PROBLEM FOR THE FUTURE. AND I AGREE, WE ARE TOTALLY TAKING THE VALUE AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU'RE RENOVATING SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY INTO THE NEW HOME, BUT STILL WOULD BE, UM, EXPOSED TO FUTURE RAINS AND FLOODING. SO I THINK WE SHOULD, UH, AND, UH, MY, MY PRO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO GO AHEAD AND TRY TO IDENTIFY WHAT PORTIONS DEBBIE'S TALKING ABOUT, OR IF THERE IS ANY PORTION THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE SAVED. AND THAT PORTION SHOULD BE RAISED TO COM TO COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT FLOOD ELEVATIONS. GREAT. THANK YOU, LINDSEY. SO I THINK MY HESITATION, I GUESS ON BOTH SIDES IS, IS MULTIFOLD. UM, BUT BEFORE I GET THERE, I WILL SAY I AGREE. I, I THINK THE NEW DESIGN IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT THAT ACTUALLY LEADS INTO MY HESITATION, RIGHT? SO ONE OF THE REASONS, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO GET THIS DEMOLITION PERMIT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, YOU HAVE TO BRING FORTH, UNLESS IT'S AN ACTIVE FACT, FIRM ERROR, YOU HAVE TO BRING FORTH A DESIGN THAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON, UM, INCORPORATING IN ORDER FOR US TO APPROVE IT. UM, AND SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THOUGH, UM, THE ESTATE, THE ASSETS OF THE ESTATE ARE THE LAND THAT EXISTS, RIGHT? SO THE PLAN IS NOT NECESSARILY, I MEAN, AS EVIDENCED BY THE FACT THAT THE OTHER TWO LOTS HAVE NOT YET BEEN DEVELOPED, EVEN THOUGH THEIR PLANS APPROVED, I BELIEVE, OR NOT PLANS APPROVED, BUT THROUGH US, UM, THE PLAN IS TO SELL THIS WITH APPROVALS AND THEN HAVE SOMEONE ELSE WOULD THEN BUILD THE STRUCTURE. IS IS THAT THE PLAN? YEAH. RIGHT. AND SO THAT, SO THAT BRINGS ME TO LIKE, ANOTHER STEP OF MY HESITATION IS THAT WE GO THROUGH ALL THIS PROCESS, WE ALLOW YOU AS THE OWNER, THE EXISTING OWNER, RIGHT, UM, THE TRUST TO DEMOLISH THIS BUILDING BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND, OR, YOU KNOW, WE ACCEPT MR. HASHEM'S EXPLANATION THAT THE BUILDING ITSELF IS NOT SALVAGEABLE FOR THE PURPOSES INTENDED, RIGHT? AND WE'VE GOT THIS BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE THAT I, I, I AGREE. I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PLAN DESIGN IS WONDERFUL, AND THE NEW OWNER COMES IN AND SAYS, YEAH, I HAVE NO DESIRE TO DO THIS. I'LL LEAVE IT A VACANT LOT AND I'LL JUST WAIT YOU OUT. AND SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT, THAT I STRUGGLE WITH A LITTLE BIT. UM, AND SO AT LEAST TO, TO THAT EXTENT, TO ME, I LEAN MORE TOWARDS HAVING A FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH STAFF ON WHERE WE ARE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S NOT IDEAL. I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE FOR YOU GUYS. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE AS FAR AS, UM, DUE RESTRICTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UM, WHEN THE PROPERTY IS TRANSFERRED, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY DESIRE TO DO THAT, BUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD GIVE ME COMFORT OR THIS BOARD COMFORT THAT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS ACTUALLY WHAT'S GONNA BE CONSTRUCTED. I, I, I AM KIND OF, I, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GRASPING RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M, I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH ANYWAYS. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH. UM, AND SO FOR ALL OF THOSE THINGS COMBINED, UM, AND GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THE PROFESSIONAL ADVICE THAT WE DO GET FROM STAFF, AND AS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, EVERY BUILDING, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I LOOK AT IT HARD ENOUGH, I CAN SAY, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I HAD SPA, I MEAN, MY BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE, WE DID MULTIMILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF RENOVATION. I MEAN, WE TOOK IT DOWN TO THE REBAR AND REPLACED, I MEAN, IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THE BUILDING. UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S NOT INDIVIDUALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC. IT IS MY, YOU KNOW, MY BUILDING IS CONTRIBUTING. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE, ARE WEIGHING ON ME WHEN I LOOK AT THIS. UM, AND, AND I WAS GONNA SAY I DID, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF ANYBODY [01:20:01] ELSE DID, BUT I DID GO WITH MICKEY AND LOOK AT 18, 10 AND 18, WELL, 18, 18, PRIOR TO THE, UM, THE DEMOLITION WHERE THEY CAME FOR THE, AFTER THE FACT WHEN THEY CAME TO US. SO, UM, TO THE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT STATEMENTS COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF PRESERVED. YES. COULD THERE PROBABLY HAVE BEEN SOME REMEDIAL WORK OR SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME INTERVENTION, UM, IN THESE BUILDINGS, NOT NECESSARILY 1810 AND 1818, BECAUSE I MEAN, THEY WERE ABOUT TO FALL INTO THE CANAL. UM, I DIDN'T SEE 1800. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE, THE STATE OF THE OTHER TWO, UM, AND THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A DEMOTION PERMIT DIRECTED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AS OPPOSED TO, UM, WHERE WE STAND WITH 1800, UM, YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO IMAGINE IT'S IN SLIGHTLY BETTER SHAPE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LINDSAY. AND, UM, THANK YOU GUYS FOR GREAT PRESENTATION. REALLY, UM, A MODEL PRESENTATION OF THE CONTEXT AND A, A BEAUTIFUL, UH, DESIGN FOR, UH, BEING PROPOSED. UM, I, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S, UM, THAT AS A HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, WE DEAL WITH TIME. TIME IS OUR, IS PART OF OUR CURRENCY. WE DEAL WITH BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, AND WE DEAL, DEAL WITH DISTRICTS THAT WERE CREATED KIND OF TO COM TO BRING TOGETHER BUILDINGS, UM, AND, UH, BRING TOGETHER KIND OF HISTORIC CONTEXTS, WHICH ARE RELATED TO TIME. AND SO I THINK THE STAFF IS ASKING FOR US TO GIVE THEM, GIVE MORE TIME, AND THAT MORE TIME COULD BE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT SOME TO COULD, COULD APPLY TO A NUMBER OF THINGS. AND I THINK WE, WE OWE IT TO BUILDINGS WHEN WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY TO GIVE THEM MORE TIME. THERE COULD BE, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEBODY WHO COMES IN AND SAYS, I WANT THIS AND I WANT THIS HISTORIC BUILDING, BECAUSE THEY'RE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANTS TO TAKE THAT ON AND WANTS TO HAVE THAT. AND IF WE GO THROUGH THIS TODAY QUICKLY AND JUST SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA PUNT THIS BECAUSE IT'S LIKE ALL THE OTHERS, I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S GONNA SAVE THE BUILDING OR NOT. UM, BUT I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AND WE KIND OF OWE IT TO OURSELVES AND THE INTEGRITY OF THIS BOARD TO GIVE IT THAT BIT MORE TIME. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TILL SEPTEMBER. UM, THIS WILL ALSO SHOW, UM, THE INTEGRITY, YOU KNOW, OF THE, OF THE SITE AND THINGS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, ALL THE THINGS THAT, UM, THAT MICKEY WAS TALKING ABOUT. AND, UM, I MEAN, UM, AND, UH, THAT, SO I WOULD, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO GIVE THIS PROJECT A BIT MORE TIME TO BE POSSIBLE, A POSSIBLY HISTORICALLY PRESERVED BUILDING, UM, AND OR A PORTION OF IT BEING POSSIBLY HISTORIC PRESERVED. BUT THAT'S, BUT, SO THAT'S WHERE I AM, BECAUSE I, I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU, ALL OF WHAT YOU GUYS SAY. I MEAN, IT'S ALL TRUE. AND THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS WE CAN SAY, OKAY, TEAR IT DOWN TODAY, OR LET'S WAIT TO DECIDE IN IN SEPTEMBER. AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I STAND. UM, ANY, WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION NOW. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE, SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO JUMP IN, WHAT DOES STAFF THINK DOESN'T? NO, I THINK THAT'S BEEN THAT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DROP, JUST TO MAKE SURE WHERE WE STAND AT THIS POINT. OH, YEAH. WE CAN DO STRAW POLL. YEAH, SURE, SURE, SURE. UM, WE CAN DO A STRAW POLL, BUT IF ANYBODY WANTED TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE, WHAT DOES STAFF THINK WE CAN SAVE ON THE BUILDING OR FACADE? YEAH, THAT'S GOOD QUESTION. IT'S JUST SO WE HAVE AN IDEA. IDEALLY IT WOULD BE, I THINK JENNIFER DESCRIBED AS THE BAR PORTION. SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T THINK THE GARAGE, THE GARAGE HAS BEEN CONVERTED AND THAT WHOLE, UM, SIDE, I, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY I WOULD THINK THAT BAR PORTION, UM, WOULD BE WHAT STAFF WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE CONSIDER A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION. UM, SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIKE A FRONT PORCH, UM, THAT I DON'T, THAT'S BEEN ALTERED. I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY. AND THEN EVERYTHING TO THE, UM, WEST OF THE BAR, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO, TO DEMOLISH. UM, SO JENNIFER, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK ON BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER? WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, RAY, BEFORE YOU WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE HAVING OUR CONVERSATION. WE'VE CLOSED THE APPLICANT PORTION. I KNOW YOU, SO RAY'S JUST TAKEN OVER. UM, I WISH, ALL I WAS GONNA SAY IS BECAUSE I HAVE THE BENEFIT OF LOOKING AT DEBBIE'S SCRIBBLES OVER HERE. SO THE BAR PORTION IS THE ENTIRETY OF THE MAIN HOUSE, ABSENT THE [01:25:01] PORCHES AND THE, UM, GARAGE, WHICH IF I WASN'T SITTING HERE WITH KIND SCRIBBLES, I MIGHT NOT KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT. SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH THE BOARD. OKAY. UM, RANDY, YOUR MIC IS ON, SO I'M, IS THAT NOT AN INDICATION? OKAY. SORRY. THAT'S USUALLY THE INDICATION, AT LEAST FROM RAY. IF THE, IF HE'S LIT UP RED, HE'S READY TO SAY SOMETHING. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, WE CAN TAKE A STRAW POLL AND THEN WE CAN, AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK TO A CONVERSATION. UM, SO JUST A, A STRAW POLL OF WHERE YOU STAND, UH, UM, A YES, UH, WOULD BE, UH, YES, WOULD BE TO, UH, TO GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF AND A NO WOULD BE TO NOT GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF AND TO KIND OF APPROVE THE, THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF IS TO, IS TO, UM, CONTINUE TO SEPTEMBER. AND IF YOU WANNA DO IT TODAY, THEN I THINK, UH, THEN A NO VOTE. SO YEAH. SO JUST YES OR NO. UH, WHERE ARE YOU THINKING NOW? YES, READY? NO, I, I CAN CERTAINLY WAIT UNTIL . OKAY. YES. OKAY. WAIT, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. YES. IS WAITING, YES. IS DOING, LET'S STAB SUGGEST I, I CAN'T HEAR THE STRAW BALL. OH, BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S WHISPERING TO THEMSELVES. OH, THEY ARE? OH. 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THEIR MICS AREN'T ON. SO WE'RE FOUR, FOUR, YES. TWO, ONE. NO. WELL, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE APPLICANT IS ONE OF THE THINGS IN MY COMMENTARY, I'D ASKED FOR THE APPLICANT TO WEIGH IN, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MATTERS BECAUSE IF WE'RE FOUR ALREADY, UM, ON, ON ANY SORT OF LIKE, RESTRICTIONS THAT CAN BE IN PLACE, AND WE DIDN'T GET THAT ANSWER. NO, NO, NO. WE WILL, WE'LL GO BACK TO, WE'LL GO BACK AFTER THE STRAW POLL AFTER WE SEE WHERE WE ARE. WELL, I MEAN, TO ME, THAT WEIGHS ON MY DECISION ON THE STRAW POLL. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. . MICHAEL, CAN YOU ANSWER LINDSAY'S, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF, I DON'T KNOW. WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? I, I HAVE MORE TO SAY, BUT I'LL RESPECTFULLY YOU I ANSWER JUST HER QUESTION IS THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD ORDER IS RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS. YOU KNOW, IT IS THERE. SO IT HAS THE FUNCTIONAL EQUIVALENT OF A COVENANT. AND WHEN IT'S IN WHAT'S IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS, YOUR PROPERTY IS BOUND BY THE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM SET FORTH IN THE ORDER. SO IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE IT, YOU USE A PHRASE, WAIT, YOU OUT. THIS BOARD WILL BE HERE FOR ETERNITY. SO THERE'LL BE NO WAITING OUT THIS BOARD. IF YOU WANNA CHANGE THE DESIGN AND COME BACK WITH SOMETHING RADICALLY DIFFERENT, YOU HAVE TO GO MEET WITH DEBBIE FIRST, GO THROUGH A WHOLE FOUR, SIX MONTH LONG PROCESS AND APPEAR FOR THE BOARD. SO IT ACTS AS LIKE A, UH, A PROTECTION, LIKE WHAT IS PRESENTED HERE MUST BE BUILT, OR IT COMES BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR A CHANGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO YES. TO, TO STRAW POLL. WELL, BECAUSE, SO, AND THEN I'M GONNA ASK YOU, OR YOU DON'T WANT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO ASK DEBBIE AND MAYBE NICK, WHAT, SO HOW MANY VOTES DO WE NEED SINCE, FOR, FOR A CONTINUANCE? YOU, YOU ONLY NEED FOUR. OKAY. UM, TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION, YOU WOULD NEED FIVE, BECAUSE IT INCLUDES DEMOLITION. DEMOLITION. GOT IT. IF I COULD JUST MAYBE CLARIFY SOMETHING. SO WHILE THE REQUEST IS FOR TOTAL DEMOLITION AND A, A NEW BUILDING, UH, I THINK ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS TO POINT OUT IS OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION REGULATIONS WOULD NOT PERMIT THE EXISTING BUILDING TO BE DEMOLISHED UNTIL A BUILDING PERMIT. I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO KIND OF LINDSAY'S CONCERN UNTIL A BUILDING PERMIT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED FOR THE APPROVED PROJECT, REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY PLANNING, AND ALL FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PERMIT HAVE BEEN PAID. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT I THINK IS, IS SOMEWHAT OF A CONCERN FOR, FOR STAFF ONLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE EXISTING PROPERTY, FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN WITH THE CODE COMPLIANCE VIOLATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND ACTUALLY GOING OUT THERE MYSELF ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS TO, TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, IT IS CURRENTLY SOMEWHAT OF A NUISANCE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMING IS, BUT FROM MY, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, YOU'RE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, IF ONCE THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED, REALISTICALLY 12 TO 18 MONTHS FROM GETTING A, A PERMIT SUBMITTED AND, AND THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS, UM, AND SO THAT WOULD REALLY BE THE TIMELINE FOR DEMOLITION. UM, NOT ONCE THIS BOARD APPROVES IT, STAFF CAN APPROVE A DEMOLITION PERMIT, CLEAR THE LOT, GET THE FENCES UP, AND MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, A NICE PARK-LIKE, UH, ENVIRONMENT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, [01:30:01] THIS, YOU KNOW, WOULD NOT BE A, A QUICK PROCESS CONSIDERING THAT THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A SALE, THE NEW OWNER NEEDS TO BUY INTO THE PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED AND NOT WANT TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD TO MODIFY MM-HMM . UM, THE DESIGN. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S JUST ANOTHER CONSIDERATION HERE THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN, UM, THAN TYPICAL PROJECTS BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF A MULTI-STEP, UM, SCENARIO THAT HAS TO OCCUR BEFORE ANYTHING CAN REALLY HAPPEN ON THIS. NOW, NOTWITHSTANDING EVERYTHING THAT I SAID IN OUR REGULATIONS, IF THE CITY'S BUILDING OFFICIAL ISSUES, A DEMOLITION ORDER MM-HMM . THEN IT CAN COME DOWN MM-HMM . THEN, THEN IT WOULD COME BACK TO US. YEAH. THEN IT WOULD COME DOWN . IT WOULD, RIGHT. IT WOULD BE, WE WOULD AUTHORIZE THE DEMOLITION IF THIS BECAME AN, AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION ORDER, UM, AS AUTHORIZED BY THE BILLING OFFICIAL, IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY NEED TO COME BACK TO YOU BECAUSE THAT, THAT THE TRIGGER FOR COMING BACK TO YOU WOULD, IF YOU HAD ALREADY APPROVED THE DEMOLITION, SAY YOU APPROVED THE DEMOLITION TODAY, IF AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION ORDER IS ISSUED, IT CAN COME DOWN. IT WOULD NOT NEED TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD. MM-HMM . UM, IT WOULD NEED TO COME BACK FOR, TO THIS BOARD FOR AN AFTER THE FACT IF THE BOARD HAD NOT PREVIOUSLY AUTHORIZED THE DEMOTION. MM-HMM . DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION HERE? YEAH, SURE. UH, SO DEBBIE, DEBBIE, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE STATING, UH, IF WE DON'T, ASSUMING WE DON'T APPROVE DEMOLITION, THE APPLICANT WILL NEED TO CURE THEIR VIOLATIONS SHORE UP AND STABILIZE THE STRUCTURE UNTIL A PERMIT, UH, WHETHER THAT BE DEMOLITION OR, UH, CONSTRUCTION, UH, UH, OF, OF THE NEW, UH, PROJECT SHOULD, SHOULD BE. UH, YEAH. AND, AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING THE APPLICANT FROM GOING AHEAD AND TRYING TO PULL SOME REPAIR PERMITS. NOW, CONSIDERING WE KNOW IT'S LIKELY GOING TO BE 18 MONTHS BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENS ON THIS SITE, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THE PRO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, UM, VIOLATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AND THE VACANT PROPERTY FENCING, UM, SHOULD BE ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, AT, AT A MINIMUM OR AN ENGINEERING REPORT, UH, STATING THAT THE STRUCTURE IS AN IMMINENT THREAT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. AND THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE BUILDING OFFICIALS, UH, REVIEW PROCESS. YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD, UM, JUST THAT I THINK IS ALSO, UM, IT WILL BE POTENTIALLY HELPFUL FOR THIS BOARD TO SEE WHAT A, A TALENTED ARCHITECT LIKE JENNIFER WOULD DO WITH A CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PLANNING, WITH THE, WITH, WITH DEBBIE AND HER TEAM ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES. AND SO WE'D AT LEAST GET TO HEAR HOW THOSE CONVERSATIONS 'CAUSE THIS, WHAT'S SO INTERESTING AND KIND OF CHALLENGING AND, AND KIND OF SAD AND EXHILARATING AT THE SAME TIME ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS THAT IT IS SO RELATED TO ALMOST EVERY HISTOR, SO MANY PIECES OF THIS RELATE TO OTHER HISTORIC PROJECTS THAT WE'VE SEEN. AND IT'S OFTEN BEEN, I MEAN, EACH OF YOU HAVE KIND OF SAID THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT, UM, OKAY. SO MICHAEL, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED JUST TO ADD BRIEFLY? YES, JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS. BASED ON EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE CODE VIOLATIONS, I THINK THE RECERTIFICATION WILL FALL OUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. SO I THINK WE WILL PERSUADE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO RESEND THAT VIOLATION WITH REGARD TO THE BARS IN THE WINDOWS. IT'S ALSO AN EASY FIX. WE CAN DO THAT. THE FENCE IS A EXTREME, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LARGE EXPENDITURE TO THESE PICKET FENCES, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ARE NOT CHEAP TO GET THE ENGINEERING AND INSTALL THEM. SO IT'S NOT LIKE AN EASY THING. UH, SOMETHING WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK AT PRIOR TO THE NEXT HEARING. BUT JUST IN TERMS OF RETAINING THE HOME, I DON'T THINK IT'S AN OPTION TO KEEP THE HOME AT GRADE. I THINK THE FLOODING IS REAL, ESPECIALLY IN PALM VIEW. AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE EXACERBATED. I DON'T THINK THE RAISING OF THE STREETS IS GONNA BE 40 YEARS IN THE FUTURE. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE IN OUR CONVERSATION, PUBLIC WAR'S, PROBABLY IN THE LATE 2020S THAT WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO RAISE MICHIGAN AND 18TH STREET, IT'S NOT GONNA BE 40 YEARS. SO THESE HOMES HAVE TO BE RAISED. AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE A CRAWL SPACE. YOU HAVE TO DIG UNDERNEATH THE HOME OR TO TRY TO RAISE IT. AND THEN THE WAY YOU DO IT, THE WAY I REMEMBER FROM 22 STAR, YOU HAVE TO DIG IN THROUGH THE WINDOWS, WHICH ARE NOT REINFORCED, AND THE CONCRETE IS BRITTLE. SO IF I WOULD HAVE TO BE FORCED TO DO THIS, I WOULDN'T EVEN LOOK AT THE BAR PART OF THE BUILDING. 'CAUSE THAT IS, THAT REPRESENTS A GREATER RISK. AND AS AN ATTORNEY, YOU CALCULATE RISK. AND IF THE CONCRETE IS SO WEAK, THEN WHY WOULD YOU TRY TO LIFT UP THE BIGGEST PORTION OF THE HOME? I THINK I WOULD FOCUS ON THE GARAGE IF OUR CLIENT EVEN [01:35:01] WANTS TO DO THAT. OKAY. WE'RE WE'RE, YEAH, WE'VE HEARD THOSE. THANK YOU THOUGH. THANK YOU. YES. UH, WAIT, UH, HASKELL HAD HIS HAND ON THE BUTTON. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION. YOU TOOK FOUR SAMPLES, CONCRETE SAMPLES, RIGHT? YES. ONE OF 'EM WAS ESSENTIALLY AN ANOMALY. IT WAS A A THOUSAND PSI, THE REST OF THEM WERE CLOSER TO 4,000. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? NO. AND WHERE DID YOU TAKE THOSE, BY THE WAY? WHERE DID YOU TAKE THOSE? WERE THOSE IN THE, UM, IN THE NEW ADDITIONS OR IN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE? THEY, THEY WERE IN BOTH IN THE ORIGINAL AND THE NEW, BUT THEY WERE NOT 4,000. THEY WERE IN THE ONE THOUSANDS. THAT WAS ONE OF THEM. RIGHT. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. AND THE REST WERE IN THE THREE TO 4,000. MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT NO, UH, ALL OF THEM WERE UNDER 1400. 1400 PSI I'VE, I'VE, WE'VE SEEN, WE'VE SEEN 900, 9 75 IN SOME, IN SOME BUILDINGS. THANK YOU. NO, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL BELOW 1400. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT DOESN'T CHANGE MY VIEW ON, UH, GIVING THIS AN ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY. I MEAN, AFTER ALL, WE ARE A HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. UNDERSTOOD. AND I THINK GIVING STAFF AN ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH JENNIFER, WHO'S I THINK IS A VERY TALENTED ARCHITECT, I THINK THERE ARE POSSIBILITIES THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO SAVE, UH, THE STRUCTURE. SO, OKAY. I'LL LEAVE IT WITH THAT. THANKS. THANK YOU. HAS RAY, I THINK ONE THING THAT THIS BOARD HAS TO REALIZE IS THAT THESE FOUR PROPERTIES TAKE UP AN ENTIRE BLOCK OF THE CITY. SO IF YOU'VE RAISED THREE OUT OF THE FOUR, YOU'RE SETTING THIS UP FOR DOOM. IF YOU DON'T RAISE THIS ONE OR ALLOW IT TO BE, UM, TORN DOWN, I, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, SO WITH THAT, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, WE MIGHT BE NEARING A VOTE AND, UH, UH, SO I THINK WE FIRST NEED A, A MOTION AND, UM, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW WHERE I STAND, I WOULD RECOMMEND A MOTION TO SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATION, KNOWING RAY EXACT, THAT YOU'RE NOT WRONG. UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THIS ANOTHER CHANCE, UM, SINCE IT'S STILL A STANDING, CONTRIBUTING HOME. UM, BUT ANYWAY, IS, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO OFFER A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS CASE TO THE, UH, I BELIEVE SEPTEMBER. I DON'T KNOW THE DATE STATUS RECOMMENDATION TO CONTINUE IT FOR FURTHER STUDY. SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 16TH. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE CONTINUANCE. AYE. AYE. AYE. DO YOU WANNA DO A ROLL CALL? I THINK, IS ANYONE OPPOSED? WE HAVE ONE OPPOSED, RIGHT. OH, AND LINDSAY. OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT PASSES. SO THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN CONTINUED TO THE SEPTEMBER 16TH MEETING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, MR. CHAIR, THE NEXT APPLICATION [4. HPB24-0632, 1730 Jefferson Avenue.] IS HPB 24 0 6 3 2. THIS IS 1730 JEFFERSON AVENUE. AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION AND RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING HOME AND ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, INCLUDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF ATTACHED ADDITIONS AND VARIANCES FROM THE REQUIRED SETBACKS, LOT COVERAGE, UNIT SIZE, AND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS. I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JAKE TO PRESENT OUR RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU, DEBBIE. THE SUBJECT HOME WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1938 AND DESIGNED BY ALEXANDER LEWIS IN THE ART DECO STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE. THIS APPLICATION WAS LAST HEARD BY THE BOARD AT THE APRIL MEETING. SINCE THAT TIME, REVISED PLANS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED THAT INCLUDE REVISIONS TO THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOME TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORICAL DESIGN MODIFICATIONS TO THE REAR ROOFTOP ADDITION, INCLUDING AN ADDITIONAL SETBACK FROM THE REAR TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIRED 15 FOOT REAR SETBACK AND THE ELIMINATION OF THREE VARIANCE REQUESTS. STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE DESIGN OF THE ADDITIONS, WHICH WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, BUT CONTINUES TO RECOMMEND THAT THE PRIMARY FACADE BE RETAINED AND FULLY RESTORED CONSISTENT WITH AVAILABLE HISTORIC DOCUMENTATION. ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING SEVERAL VARIANCES. [01:40:01] VARIANCES ONE AND TWO ARE TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE OF 30% BY 5% AND TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE OF 50% BY 2.9%. STAFF WOULD NOTE THAT IF THE EXISTING RESIDENTS WERE LOCATED OUTSIDE OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE RETENTION OF THE EXISTING HOME WOULD ALLOW FOR A LOT COVERAGE UP TO 40% IN A UNIT SIZE, UP TO 60% AS INCENTIVES TO RETAIN THE HOME VARIANCES. THREE AND FOUR ARE TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING SIDE SETBACKS OF THE MAIN HOME TO CONSTRUCT AN ATTACHED ADDITION. ELEVATED TERRACE AND POOL DECK. THE EXISTING SETBACKS ARE 4.83 FEET ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE AND 4.85 FEET ALONG THE NORTH SIDE WHERE SEVEN FOOT SIX INCHES IS REQUIRED. THE REMAINING VARIANCES ARE RELATED TO THE PROPOSED REAR ROOFTOP. ADDITION VARIANCES FIVE AND SEVEN ARE TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING SIDE SETBACKS IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A ROOFTOP ADDITION WITH THE SAME SETBACKS. THE EXISTING SETBACKS ARE 7.03 FEET ON THE NORTH SIDE AND 7.97 FEET ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE 10 FEET IS REQUIRED. FINALLY, THE PLANTS HAVE BEEN REVISED TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIRED REAR YARD SETBACK, REAR YARD LOT COVERAGE AND REAR YARD OPEN SPACE, WHICH WERE PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED VARIANCES SIX, EIGHT AND NINE, WHICH HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN DUE TO THE UNIQUE SITE CONDITIONS, INCLUDING NON-CONFORMING SETBACKS FOR BOTH BUILDINGS AND THE DIFFICULTIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE RETENTION OF THE CONTRIBUTING HOME STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUESTED VARIANCES AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION. OKAY, THANK YOU, JAKE. UM, IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, IF NOT, WE CAN TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, HI. GOOD MORNING. UM, EDWARD HERRARA WITH DG ARCHITECTURE, THE ARCHITECT OF THE, THE PROJECT. UM, I, I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE MY OWN PRESENTATION HERE FOR SOME REASON. WAIT, DO WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION FOR 1730? JEFFERSON, EDWIN, DO YOU, DID YOU SEND ONE IN? YEAH, THEY CONFIRMED IT, UM, YESTERDAY. OKAY. I THINK IT WAS HERRERA, MIRIAM THAT CONFIRM MIRIAM MI JUST GIVE US ONE SECOND. UM, IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE SHOWING UP IN YOUR SCREEN SHORTLY. THANK YOU, PJ. IT'S, IT'S THE LAST ONE. YEAH, THOSE ARE PLANS. SO, WE'LL, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND BRING UP THOSE PLANS FOR YOU. OKAY. ONE MOMENT HERE. THANK YOU. UM, AS MENTIONED, RIGHT, WE, WHEN WE CAME BACK ON APRIL ORIGINALLY, IT WAS COMPLETELY A DIFFERENT DESIGN. UM, WE TOOK ALL THE INPUT GIVEN NOT ONLY BY YOU GUYS, ALSO BY THE NEIGHBORS AND BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO MAKE THE HOUSE FEEL MORE TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE. IT'S NO LONGER LOOKING MODERN, BUT RATHER, YOU KNOW, FITTING WITH THAT MODERN STYLE THAT THE HOUSE HAD ORIGINALLY. THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE ON THE COVER PAGE. UM, THESE ALREADY HAVE BEEN EXPLAINED BY THE STAFF AND AS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, ON THE PICTURE TO THE LEFT AND TO THE RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE ORIGINAL STYLE OF THE HOME. YOU CAN'T SEE THE STUCCO BANDS, BUT THEY ARE THERE FROM KIND OF GRAYISH ALONG THE WINDOWS ALONG THE FRONT. PARDON ME, JUST THIS IS THE STATE OF THE HOME AS OF TODAY. UM, SOMETHING THAT I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S KNOWN. WHEN WE GOT HIRED FOR THIS PROJECT, THE, THE CLIENTS HAD ORIGINALLY WANTED TO REPAIR FOR SPING. UM, AND THE ORIGINAL TEAM ENGINEERING AND ARCHITECTURE ARCHITECTS, EXCUSE ME, THEY DIDN'T FILE FOR PERMITS AND THEY BEGAN TO DO REPAIR WORK FOR THE SPING. AND, AND WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS THEY MADE IT WORSE AND THEN THEY ABANDONED THE CLIENT. AND THAT'S WHEN WE CAME IN LAST YEAR. AND THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVED TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS TODAY. AND THAT'S THE GUEST HOUSE ON THE, ON THE END, YOU KNOW, THE POOL AND, AND THE APARTMENT COMPLEX TO, TO THE RIGHT OF THE HOUSE AND THE CONTEXT. AND YOU'LL SEE THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONLY HOME WITH THAT STYLE AS, AS EXPLAINED, UM, THIS IS THE EXISTING ZONING DIAGRAMS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN EXPLAINED BY JAKE. UM, THIS IS THE PROPOSED WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE REAR YARD IS NO LONGER BEING, YOU KNOW, A SETBACK THAT WE'RE REQUESTING. UM, ONLY THE UNIT COVERAGE AND THE SIZE AND THE LOCK COVERAGE IS WHERE WE NEED THAT EXTRA PERCENTAGE. UM, THIS IS JUST THAT CONTINUED. UM, THIS IS THE HOUSE AS IT SITS TODAY. UM, THE OWNERS, THEY, THEY JUST WANNA REPAIR IT AND ADD SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME SPACE FOR THEIR CHILDREN, FOR THEIR FAMILY. THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN THEIR SIXTIES AND WANT TO HAVE A SPACE FOR EVERYBODY TO COME TOGETHER. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT MAINLY [01:45:01] IS ON THE SIDE AND ON THE REAR, THAT WHERE THE SPING IS, IS WHERE THE ADDITION IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING. AND THERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THE HOUSE EXPANDS TO THE REAR AND TO THE RIGHT. UM, THE FLAT ROOF REMAINS, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS THE, THE GUEST HOUSE IN THE REAR WHERE, AS THEY HAVE MENTIONED WE'RE, WE WERE TRYING TO DO A SECOND STORY ADDITION. UM, ORIGINALLY WE WERE REQUESTING A SETBACK BECAUSE OF THE STAIRCASE BEING ON THE SETBACK, AND BECAUSE THE SECOND FLOOR WAS ENCROACHING ON THE REAR. AND WE, WE ADJUSTED THAT BASED ON YOUR INPUT. UM, AND HERE YOU CAN SEE AGAIN THE SECOND FLOOR AND HOW IT'S, IT IS JOGGED IN, PARDON THE WORD WHERE IT SAYS BATHROOM, BATHROOM NUMBER ONE. THAT THAT USED TO BE WHERE THE BATHROOMS WERE IN THE REAR. AND AGAIN, WE RE REDESIGNED SO THAT WE NO LONGER WERE ENCROACHING ON THAT SETBACK. HERE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SHOW YOU WHERE THE DEMOLITION IS HAPPENING, AS YOU CAN SEE ALONG THE FRONT. UM, IT'S NOT REALLY MUCH, IT'S JUST REDESIGNING THE EYEBROW ALONG THE REAR IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE EXPANSION IS HAPPENING. THAT'S WHY IT'S DASHED IN RED. AND THAT'S HOW THE HOUSE WOULD LOOK AFTER THE REDESIGN. UM, ORIGINALLY WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE THE EYEBROWS BE MUCH HIGHER, BUT WE, WE BROUGHT THEM DOWN. AND THE MAIN REASON FOR THE EYEBROWS BEING DEMOED AND REDONE IS BECAUSE THEY'RE MADE OUTTA WOOD. SO WHEN THE, WHEN THE SPAWNING OCCURRED, IT CAME FROM THE EYEBROWS BECAUSE THEY WERE SO CLOSE TO THE WINDOW AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN THE REAR. AND THEN IT ALSO HAPPENED ALONG THE FRONT. THEY, THEY HAD FIXED THAT ALREADY WHEN THEY MOVED IN, BUT THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ISSUES WITH SPING. UM, ON THE SIDE, AGAIN, IT'S BECAUSE THE EXPANSION IS TO THE SIDE AND THEN OVER HERE IT'S BECAUSE THE WINDOWS ARE BEING BLOCKED UP TO THE, TO THE LEFT. AND THERE YOU CAN SEE THAT WE, AGAIN, KEEPING THAT BAND WHERE IT'S VISIBLE, THEY, THEY REALLY, THEY AGREE WITH YOU GUYS, IF WE'RE GONNA DO A REMODEL, IT NEEDS TO BE COHESIVE ARCHITECTURAL LANGUAGE. WITH THE, THE BAND, UM, AGAIN, THE GUEST HOUSE IS BEING SUBSTANTIALLY REMODELED. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALMOST MOSTLY ALL THE WINDOWS AND DOORS ARE BEING BLOCKED UP AND SOME WINDOWS AND DOORS ARE BEING ADDED IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. AND THEN THE FLAT ROOF IS BEING COMPLETELY DEMOED. AND THEN WE, WE WANTED TO CONTINUE THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL LANGUAGE ALSO TO THE GUEST HOUSE IN THE REAR. THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE STUCCO BANDS AS WELL. THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, AN AERIAL VIEW, A LITTLE SKEWED, SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THEY, THEY TALK TO EACH OTHER. UM, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE FRONT, WE, WE, WE AGREE THAT WE NEEDED THAT LANGUAGE TO BE, YOU KNOW, RESTORED. SO WE, WE, WE DID THE, THE, THE MUDS TO THE WINDOWS AS THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY HAD THEM. WE BROUGHT DOWN THE, THE COLOR AGAIN, WE, WE USED THESE, THE STUCCO BANDS. UM, AND THEN WE JUST SHIFTED THE EYEBROWS SIX INCHES UP SO THAT THEY'RE NOT ON THE WINDOW THEMSELVES TRYING TO MEET HALFWAY. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF SIDE PERSPECTIVE. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BAND TURNS NOW, WHEREAS OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST ALONG THE FRONT, CONTINUING THE LANGUAGE TOWARDS THE GUEST HOUSE. THERE'S THE REAR VIEW, AND THEN WE, WE CONTINUE THE BAND JUST BECAUSE WE FIGURED THAT IS A, A NICE MOTIF, A NICE CONTINUATION. AND THEN SO ARE THE WINDOWS WITH THE MUDS AND THE DIVISIONS THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE. NOW MORE OF A, UM, HOW DO YOU SAY ART DECO LOOK AND THEN THE GUEST HOUSE, YOU KNOW, MAINLY FACING THE, THE POOL AND THE, THE SAME LANGUAGE CONTINUED THERE AS WELL. AND THEN ALL NEW LANDSCAPE IS BEING DONE. YOU KNOW, ALL THE, THE DRAIN WATER'S GONNA BE RETAINED WITH TRENCHES AND IT'S, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK AS THE HOUSE WAS WHEN THE, THEY ORIGINALLY PURCHASED IT FIVE YEARS AGO. AND THAT'S IT FOR ME. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH, UH, GO AHEAD. YOU RAISED THE EYEBROW SIX INCHES FROM WHERE IT IS EXISTING. YEAH. AND I IMAGINE THERE'S A TIE BEAM THERE. ARE YOU, IS IT, ARE YOU REPLACING IT WITH A, UH, MASONRY EYEBROW? NO, WITH A METAL ONE. AND RIGHT NOW IT'S A WOOD EYEBROW. AND IT'S A WOOD EYEBROW. YEAH, IT'S A WOOD EYEBROW. YEAH. THAT'S WHY IT'S LEAKING. YEAH, OF COURSE IT'S GONNA LEAK. UH, BUT ORIGINALLY WAS IT WOOD? YEAH, IT WAS WOOD, YEAH. JUST LA JUST WRAPPED AND STUCCO. AND WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS WHEN, WHEN I ORIGINALLY WALKED IT, UM, THEY HAD REPLACED ALL THE WINDOWS AND DOORS WHEN THEY FIRST PURCHASED THE HOUSE. AND THEY, THEY DID A POOR JOB IN ONE OF THE FRONT ONES AND IT CAUSED A MAJOR LEAK AND IT STEMMED FROM, FROM THE EYEBROW AND THE CONNECTION TO THE WINDOW. AND WE FIGURED THAT IF THEY'RE GONNA BE SPENDING THEIR MONEY ON THIS, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT, AT LEAST TRY TO PIECE THAT, THAT ISSUE FROM OCCURRING AGAIN. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THIS WOODEN EYEBROW HAS SURVIVED SINCE 1938? YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. I NEVER HEARD OF SUCH A THING. ME NEITHER. I HAD NEVER, I HAD NEVER SEEN THAT UNTIL THIS HOME BEING WRAPPED IN THAT, IN THAT STUCCO. AND IS IT JUST FRAMED OUT AND COVERED WITH LEFT? YEAH, NOTHING. NOTHING. IT'S CRAZY. [01:50:01] THAT'S STRANGE. OKAY. AND THEN, OH, SORRY. SO THE, ALL RIGHT. SO IT'LL BE A SIMILAR, UH, APPEARANCE CORRECT. OF WHAT IT IS TODAY? YEAH. OKAY. AND I WANTED TO, I I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO BRING SOME PICTURES 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE NEIGHBORS WITH, WITH PRIVACY OR THESE ARE PICTURES WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE HOME ORIGINALLY. AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE LANDSCAPE IS GONNA BE SIMILAR TO THAT, PROVIDING PRIVACY NOT ONLY FOR THEMSELVES, BUT TO THEIR NEIGHBOR BE TO THE REAR, TO THE LEFT, AND TO THE, MAYBE YOU CAN HOLD THEM UP. SOMETIMES THE CAMERA CAN, UH, CATCH IT. SO THIS, YEAH, THIS IS THE REAR, THE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT TOO. UM, AND THEN THIS IS FACING THE HOUSE. JUST HOLD IT STILL FOR A SEC. AND AGAIN, WE WANT TO HAVE THE SAME LANDSCAPING, FULL PRIVACY. THOSE, THOSE ARE RENDERINGS. I DIDN'T NO, NO. THESE ARE PICTURES WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE FIVE YEARS AGO. OKAY. UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE SECOND FLOOR. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU COULDN'T SEE THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEY, THEY, THEY WANT TO KEEP THAT PRIVACY. RIGHT. AND I CAN GIVE THAT TO YOU GUYS IF WELL, OKAY. SURE. UM, RANDY, DO YOU HAVE A, YEAH. UM, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE RENDERINGS AND YOUR PERSPECTIVES. UM, THE AREA OVER THE CARPORT WILL NOT BE AN A DECK, CORRECT? NO ACCESSIBLE DECK? NO, THAT'S GONNA, BUT THERE IS A DECK EXTENDING BACK OF THAT AROUND THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, CORRECT? YEAH, RIGHT BEHIND THE CARPORT IS WHERE THE NEW ADDITION DECK IS. IS CORRECT. AND THERE'S, IS THERE AN AN ACCESSIBLE LEVEL THERE NOW? THERE IS. THERE IS, YEAH. ONE OF THOSE PICTURES SHOWS THE ACCESSIBLE ROOF AREA BEHIND THE, THE, THE HOUSE. SO THERE'LL BE A WALL BEHIND THE CARPORT ON THE DECK. SO PEOPLE CAN'T WALK FROM THE REAR PORTION TO THE FRONT PORTION. CORRECT. 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA REMAIN A ROOF. BUT THAT'S THERE NOW THAT IS THERE, NOW IT'S A, IT'S A WALL. OKAY. IT'S A PAIR WALL. OKAY. THANK YOU. I COULDN'T TELL WHAT WAS NEW AND WHAT WAS EXISTING. I APOLOGIZE. WHAT TIME IS, HUH? I SAID WHAT TIME IS DINNER? OH YEAH. I MEAN, AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY, THEY JUST WANT TO HAVE THAT BACK. YOU KNOW, THEY'VE, THEY'VE, YEAH, THEY'VE, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO ENJOY THEIR HOUSE TO THE FULLEST BECAUSE OF THE SPALDING AND EVERYTHING THAT OCCURRED AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET IT REPAIRED. ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE REAR ACCESSORY BUILDING, IS THERE, IS ONE THERE NOW THAT YOU'RE ADDING A SECOND STORY TO OR THERE'S, YOU'RE TEARING IT DOWN AND I'M CONFUSED ON THE OH, GOT IT. BEHIND THE POOL. NO, NO PROBLEM. SO THERE'S A ONE STORY GUEST HOUSE AT THE MOMENT, AND WE WANNA ADD A SECOND STORY TO IT. SO YOU HAVE TO REBUILD IT OR JUST ADDING A SECOND FLOOR? NO, JUST THE ROOF. WE'RE JUST GONNA DEMO THE ROOF 'CAUSE IT'S WOOD AND THEN SUPPORT IT SUBSTANTIALLY SO THAT IT CAN HOLD A SECOND FLOOR. OKAY. I, I GUESS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING IT LOOK LIKE A MINI HOUSE WHEN IT'S SORT OF ALL NEW AND WE'RE PUTTING THE SAME BANDING ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT THE MAIN HOUSE HAS, WHICH IS SORT OF LIKE A LITTLE HOUSE BEHIND THE BIG HOUSE. AND I, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST KNOW HOW THE BOARD FEELS ABOUT MAKING A BRAND NEW BUILDING LOOK LIKE THE OLD BUILDING JUST BY COPYING IT. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. UNDERSTOOD. I, I LIKE THE STRIPING ON THE FRONT. I JUST, YOU THINKS TOO MUCH TO THE BACK. GOT IT. WE WERE JUST TRYING TO CONTINUE THE LANGUAGE, TO BE HONEST. I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DID IT. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S THE WAY WE WOULD PREFER TO DO IT ON NEW STRUCTURE. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. WE, IT CAME FROM DOWN THERE. WE SAW IT. YES. YES. RENT. YEAH. RANDY SAW IT. BASCO. UH, JUST REAL QUICK, IF YOU COULD TAKE US THROUGH VARIANCE NUMBER THREE ON YOUR PLAN VIEW. SHOW US WHERE THAT IS. THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE PLEASE. UM, SORRY, I FORGOT WHICH 1, 3, 4, AND FIVE ARE . I DON'T, OUTTA DON'T MEMORY. SORRY. UM, I'M, I'M JUST GOING TO THE BEGINNING. SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. I VARIANCE BEFORE STEP BACKS FROM THE NORTH AND NUMBER FOUR IN THE SOUTH AND THE REAR. OKAY. SO IF WE GO TO THE SIDE PLAN, THIS ONE, UM, THE, THE HOUSE ON THE, ON THE SIDE, CAN YOU, YOUR, CAN YOU USE YOUR CURSOR TO, UM, TO YES. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, YES. SO THIS IS THE NORTH SIDE, AND SINCE WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THIS, THIS SETBACK OF THE CARPORT, WHEN WE ADDED BEHIND THE CARPORT, THAT'S ONE OF THE VARIANCES. WE'RE REQUESTING THE ADDITION BEHIND THE CARPORT. WHERE'S THE, OR SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT WHERE'S THE ORIGINAL HOUSE ON THIS PLAN? IT'S ORIGINAL SETBACK. GO TO THE, IT'S IT'S GO TO THE DRAWING BEFORE. OH, YOU CAN SEE IT. THERE YOU GO. SO THE, THE, THE CARPORT'S RIGHT HERE, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE DOING THE ADDITION RIGHT HERE. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR REQUESTING THAT SETBACK, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THE ADDITION ON THE NORTH SIDE HERE. AND THEN THE, THE SAME GOES FOR THIS SIDE BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THE ADDITION OF THE TERRACE BEHIND IT. BUT THE CARPORT IS OPEN, PARTIALLY OPEN. IT WILL REMAIN OPEN. WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING YOUR ADDITION IS IN, IS AN ENCLOSED SPACE BEHIND AND YOU'RE BRINGING IT WITHIN LESS THAN FIVE FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE, IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING, ESSENTIALLY. CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S IT'S FOUR 11, IT'S LESS THAN FIVE. YES. SO THAT'S NUMBER [01:55:01] TH THAT WAS CORRECT. WHICH VARIANCE NUMBER, NUMBER THREE. AND THEN, OKAY. AND THEN NUMBER FOUR IS THE SOUTH SIDE. SAME, SAME THING WHEN WHEN WE DID THE ADDITION OF THIS LITTLE COVERED AREA, IT, IT ENCROACHES ON THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE. SO AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT IS GONNA BE A TWO STORY, ESSENTIALLY STRUCTURE WITHIN FIVE FEET, LESS THAN FIVE FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE, CORRECT? YEAH. WHICH, WHICH EXISTS NOW, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS, THIS IS WHERE THE, THE ONE OF THE PICTURES THAT I SHOWED YOU, WHICH IS A LITTLE CONFUSING THAT YOU'RE STANDING ON THE SECOND FLOOR FACING, YOU KNOW, THE REAR, RIGHT. AND, AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS NUMBER FIVE. WHERE DOES THAT OCCUR? UM, SORRY, I FORGOT WHAT THE NUMBER FIVE WAS. PARDON ME AGAIN. THE GUEST HOUSE. THAT'S THE GUEST HOUSE. UM, SO SINCE IT'S THE SAME THING ON THE NORTH SIDE, WE, WE NEED THAT, THAT SIDE STEP BACK TO, TO BE MAINTAINED. AND SINCE WE ARE NOT MEETING IT BY THE BY WHAT WE'RE ADDING. THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE NUMBER FIVE . OKAY. SHOW ME PLEASE. THE, UH, EXISTING CURRENT RIGHT NOW, THIS IS THE EXISTING, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A, IT'S A FLAT ROOF. RIGHT. AND THEN THIS IS THE WALL OF THE EXISTING GAS HOUSE, WHICH REMAINS WHERE IT IS. UM, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MINIMUM. THANK YOU, MR. MEYER. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. THE ADDITION TO THE EXISTING HOME ON THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY IS JUST ONE STORY, AND IT HAS A ROOF DECK ON TOP OF IT. SO IT'S NOT TWO STORIES. REPEAT. SORRY, IT'S JUST TO REPEAT THAT AGAIN. YES. THE ADDITION TO THE FRONT HOUSE UHHUH IS ONLY ONE STORY, AND IT HAS A ROOF DECK ON TOP OF IT. SO IT'S NOT TWO STORIES, IT'S JUST A WALKABLE ROOF. SORRY, I, I, I, HE HOSPITAL YOU STILL, NO, UH, I'M SORRY. YOU ARE NOT, I'M FINISH. I'M GONNA DIGEST WHAT WAS OKAY. YOU'RE INDIGE. YEAH. AND YOU'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION. UH, SOME OF THE PUBLIC CONCERN WAS THE, UH, CURVATURE, THE EXISTING CURVATURE OF THE EYEBROWS, UH, BEING CHANGED TO SOMETHING REC, REC LINEAR, WHEREAS, YEAH, I DON'T THINK, IF I MAY, SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF. I, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SEE IT. I MEAN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE STANDING. OH, I CAN SEE IT ON THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS, THE EXISTING PHOTOS, UH, UH, ALSO THE, UH, HEIGHT, UH, OR, OR IN TERMS OF THE, UH, THE DEPTH. THE DEPTH IN HEIGHT. HAS THAT CHANGED? NO, WE BROUGHT THEM DOWN TO EIGHT INCHES AGAIN, ORIGINALLY THEY WERE THICKER. YEAH. I MEAN THE THICKNESS, YEAH, THEY'RE THE SAME THICKNESS. OKAY. THEY'RE JUST NOT CURVED. AND IT'S TUBULAR STEEL. UH, YEAH. I GOTCHA. ALRIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO. SEEING, SEEING NONE. UH, THEN WE WILL GO TO, UM, BOARD DISCLOSURES. ANYBODY HAVE DISCLOSURES TO MAKE REGARDING TO THIS APPLICATION NOW? OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. ANY, ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE PLEASE COME FORWARD. OH. UM, PLEASE HAVE A SEAT AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN OOPS, WE'LL ASK YOU BACK. OF COURSE. ALRIGHT. UH, JUST, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, MY NAME'S DAVE ATEL. THIS IS LAURA. I IS MY WIFE. HI. WE LIVE IN 1733, MICHIGAN AVE. THE HOUSE DIRECTLY TO THE BACK OF THIS PROPOSAL. UH, WE'VE BEEN, OF COURSE, BEFORE THE BOARD A COUPLE TIMES ON THIS. UH, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL HAD A GUEST HOUSE. THAT WAS TWO STORIES WE ACTUALLY SENT. I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T THINK I HAVE MITCH'S, UH, EMAIL ADDRESS ON THE LIST. BUT WE DID SEND IN A PICTURE OF WHAT THIS PROPOSAL WOULD ESSENTIALLY LOOK LIKE FROM OUR BACKYARD, WHICH IS, UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S ONE STORY AND THEN IT WOULD BE TWO STORIES WHICH WOULD DIRECTLY LOOK DOWN UPON OUR POOL. UH, IT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT, UH, DETRIMENT TO THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY AND TO OUR EXPERIENCE LIVING IN OUR, IN OUR HOUSE. ESSENTIALLY. MY KIDS PLAY IN THAT POOL. UM, AND WE ALSO THINK THAT THE CURRENT PLAN, ALTHOUGH IT DOES HAVE A WALL AT, AT THE REQUIRED 15 FEET, HAS A HABITABLE BALCONY OUT ALL THE WAY TO SEVEN AND A HALF FEET, WHICH IS THROUGH THE VAR REQUIRED VARIANCE. IT SEEMS VERY WEIRD THAT THE CITY, UH, APPROVED THIS WITHOUT REQUIRING A VARIANCE. UH, BUT REGARDLESS, WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY HAVING A SECOND STORY THERE, UH, LOOKING DIRECTLY DOWN ON OUR POOL IS [02:00:01] A LITTLE, UH, INTRUSIVE AND WE DON'T REALLY FIND A FICUS. UH, AND IT CAN BE HARD TO GROW FICUS IN THAT AREA, RIGHT? LIKE THE, IT CAN BE A LITTLE THINNED OUT. UH, WE DON'T REALLY FIND A, A PRIVACY FICUS, UH, A GOOD DETRIMENT TO THAT, TO THAT MODIFICATION, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. I JUST AGREE. I'M SURPRISED THAT THIS WASN'T FLAGGED. THAT, THAT THIS IS AGAINST, THIS HOUSE IS VERY, VERY CLOSE TO OUR BACKYARD AND IT WAS GRANDFATHERED IN, WHICH IS, WHICH IS FINE. WE HAVE GROWN AS MUCH FOLIAGE AS WE CAN. BUT A SECOND STORY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE VARIANCE TO BE THAT CLOSE TO PEER INTO OUR, INTO OUR HOUSE, INTO OUR, LIKE, IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE VERY DAMAGING TO OUR EXPERIENCE AND, AND THE RENOVATIONS WE POURED INTO OUR HOUSE. UM, LIKE CHRIS MENTIONED . SO WE, WE HOPE THAT YOU CAN LOOK MORE CLOSELY AT THIS DIAGRAM BECAUSE IT IS MISLEADING. I, I KNOW THAT THE ARCHITECT DID ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE BATHROOM LABELS WERE PLACED IN A MISLEADING FASHION, BUT I BELIEVE THOSE ARE SLIDING DOORS THAT LEAD OUT ONTO A HABITABLE BALCONY, WHICH WE THINK WOULD BE, REQUIRE A VARIANCE. BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, WE HOPE YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT THIS WOULD BE A REALLY NEGATIVE IMPACT ON US. AND SO, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SURE. DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE APPLICANT IN THE INTERVENING WEEKS? UH, THEY DID. GO AHEAD. THEY DID SEND US AN EMAIL, UM, SAYING THAT THEY, THEY WOULD PUT SOME PLANTS UP. UM, BUT CURRENTLY WE ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO HAVE PLANTS UP AND WE DON'T FIND THAT AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION BECAUSE THERE'S, FIRST OF ALL, NO GUARANTEE, BUT ALSO A SECOND STORY. YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE LIKE PROHIBITIVELY HIGH. I MEAN, THIS IS VERY CLOSE TO OUR YARD. YOU'RE THE WEST, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DIRECTLY DIRECTLY BEHIND WEST, CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY. AND I THINK WE DID SEND A PICTURE MM-HMM . AND I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE RIGHT INTO THEIR, INTO THEIR, THAT UNIT RIGHT THERE. SO YEAH, A QUESTION FOR THEM, UH, MORE SO TO STAFF. CAN YOU CLARIFY, DOES THIS FALL WITHIN THE SETBACK? IS THAT THE ISSUE? UM, SO THERE, THE EXISTING ONE STORY BUILDING, UM, IS A NONCONFORMING REAR SETBACK FOR, AND IF IT WAS GONNA BE A NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING, THE TWO STORY, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE ADDING, THE SECOND STORY PORTION IS REQUIRED TO BE SET BACK 15 FEET. THEY HAVE SET BACK. UM, AND THAT WAS ONE CHANGE FROM THE LAST MEETING. THEY DID GO AHEAD AND SET BACK, UM, THE SECOND STORY, 15 FEET. SO THE TWO STORY PORTION OF THIS COMPLIES WITH THE CURRENT REGULATIONS FOR ACCESSORY BUILDINGS BY, BY INTRODUCING A DECK ON TOP OF THE EXISTING ROOF OF THE ONE STORY BUILDING. AS LONG AS THAT, THAT SURFACE DOES NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE HEIGHT FOR ONE STORY ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, IT'S TO, IT'S PERMITTED WITHOUT REQUIRING ANY VARIANCES. UM, AND WE HAVE CONFIRMED THAT, UH, THE, THE ACCESSORY BUILDING IS WELL BELOW THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT FOR A ONE STORY, UM, ACCESSORY BUILDING. AND SO EVEN ADDING THE SECOND STORY, IT'S WELL BELOW THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT OF 20 FEET. MEASURE FROM BASE FLOOD ELEVATION PLUS FREE BOARD. UM, THEN WHAT IS ALLOWED. SO, BUT THE SIDE SETBACK IS THE ONLY SETBACK THAT THEY NEED, NOT THE REAR ANYMORE. SO LET'S JUST POINT, YOU COULD, YOU COULD SIT A CHAIR OUT ON THIS DECK AND STARE LITERALLY DIRECTLY DOWN ONTO OUR POOL MM-HMM . AND INTO OUR HOUSE, NOT JUST THE POOL . SO, ALRIGHT. THAT, THAT'S OUR COMMENT ESSENTIALLY. YEAH. NO, I UNDERSTAND. THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WELL, A CHAIR MAY BE LESS OBTRUSIVE THAN A WINDOW. I MEAN, THEY ALSO HAVE A WINDOW. WELL I THINK THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING A COVERING OF THIS. SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY BLOCKING, OR IS THERE ANOTHER IT'S A COVERED BALCONY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A COVERED BALCONY. SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY TO US THE EXACT SAME IMPACT AS HAVING A SECOND STORY. SO I THINK WE'RE JUST VERY CONFUSED AS TO WHAT'S I, I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE GO THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE COME BACK. SURE. THANKS. UM, AND ASK THE ARCHITECT, 'CAUSE THERE IS A DRAWING OF IT TO KIND OF TAKE WALK. THE WOULD BE GREAT THE BOARD THROUGH IT SO WE CAN SEE YOUR, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY MORE PUBLIC? UM, ON ZOOM WE HAVE, UH, CHRIS GLODE. HI CHRIS. YOU REMAIN UNDER OATH. UM, I'M SETTING A TIMER FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. UH, THIS IS CHRIS GLODE AGAIN. I AM ANOTHER NEIGHBOR ON THIS TIME. THIS HOUSE IS THREE BLOCK OR THREE [02:05:01] LOTS TO THE SOUTH OF MY PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY IN PALM VIEW THESE DAYS. I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME AS 1800 MICHIGAN, WHICH YOU JUST REVIEWED, BUT THIS HOUSE WAS MAINTAINED OVER THE YEARS, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT THE LATEST OWNERS ARE CONTINUING TO INVEST AND MAINTAIN IT FOR THE FUTURE. MY COMMENTS ARE LIMITED JUST TO THE FACADE. SO YOU HEARD SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS SPEAKING ABOUT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK JUST ABOUT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. I BELIEVE THIS IS ONE OF ABOUT FIVE REAL ART DECO HOMES IN SOUTH BEACH, SOUTH BEACH PROPER. THAT I'M CONCERNED THAT THE PROPOSED FACADE CHANGES WHILE THERE HAVE BEEN ALTERATIONS IN THEIR TOTALITY. THEY STILL DON'T PRESERVE THE DESIGN INTEGRITY OF THE HOME. IT'S IN HISTORIC DISTRICT. I BELIEVE THAT THE RULES ARE, YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT FACADE, AND I'M ASKING YOU ALL TO GIVE IT SPECIAL SCRUTINY. THE CHANGES THAT I'VE SEEN HAVE BEEN MENTIONED. MITCH MENTIONED SOME OF IT. WE TALKED ABOUT ELEVATING THE EYEBROWS. I HOPE THAT THAT, THAT THOSE EYES, THOSE EYEBROWS CAN BE MAINTAINED AT THEIR CURRENT LOCATION. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE WOOD, BUT MAINTAINED IN A NEW STRUCTURALLY SOUND FORMAT IN THE EXACT SAME LOCATION THAT IS THE EYEBROW STANDARD IN SOUTH BEACH. YOU GO AROUND LOOKING AT THE PROPERTIES, IT'S, EVERYBODY'S GOT IT DIRECTLY ABOVE THE WINDOWS. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SQUARING THE ROUNDED EDGES. I CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE ROUNDED WHEN I WALK BY THIS HOUSE AND I WALK BY IT PROBABLY FOUR TIMES A DAY. AND SO THAT'S THE CHANGE THAT I DON'T THINK IS NECESSARY AND, AND ALTERS THE FACADE. UH, I BELIEVE THAT EXTENDING THE EYEBROWS AROUND THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, IT'S STILL VIEWABLE FROM THE STREET. AND THAT THAT SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED. I'M ESPECIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT REPLACING WHAT OUR, TODAY'S STUCCO EYEBROWS WITH WHAT I BELIEVE IN THE RENDERINGS LOOK LIKE. METAL, MAYBE ALUMINUM EYEBROWS, ALUMINUM PLATES, AND THEN ADDING EXTERIOR CAN LIGHTS IN THOSE PLATES. AND I'M GUESSING THAT'S WHY THERE THE MATERIAL CHANGE IS BEING SUGGESTED OR REQUESTED AGAIN IN TOTALITY, I BELIEVE ALL OF THIS SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERS THE FACADE AND DETRACTS AND DESTROYS ITS ART DECO INTEGRITY. THANK YOU. IS THAT IT? OKAY. WELL, UM, NOW, UH, WE'VE CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COMING BACK UP AND JUST, UM, WALKING US THROUGH THE, UM, FIRST THE, THE, THE BACK FAC SIDE. YOU HAVE AN EL YOU HAVE, UM, LEMME JUST SET IT UP. YES. IT'S ONE OF THE LAST ONES. YEAH. YOU HAVE, YEAH. THE EX THE, UM, SO AS, AS, AS THE NEIGHBORS HAVE MENTIONED, UM, GUEST HOME NEW ELEVATIONS. YES. THAT DRAWING 35, THIS, THIS IS THE EXISTING WALL. I HOPE YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR. OH, YOU CAN'T . ANYWAY, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST, OKAY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST PAGE, TH THIS IS THE EXISTING HOUSE, RIGHT? CAN YOU SHOW US THE, UM, CAN, CAN YOU, CAN YOU SHOW US A DRAWING OF IT ON GUEST HOME NEW ELEVATIONS? YES. AND YOU'VE GOT GUEST HOME, I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE EXISTING YEAH. YOU HAVE GUEST HOME EXISTING AND GUEST HOME NEW. YES. SHOW US EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING. YEAH. SO THIS IS THE, THE WALL AT THE SEVEN FOOT SIX, YOU KNOW, REAR OF, OF THEIR PROPERTY. UM, ONCE, ONCE YOU TURN, IT GETS MAINTAINED. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS, SINCE IT'S A FLAT ROOF, IT JOGS IN TO MEET THE 15 FOOT STEPBACK FOR THE SECOND FLOOR. THEY'RE CORRECT. YOU CAN WALK ON IT BECAUSE IT'S A FLAT ROOF, BUT THE POINT CAN BE MADE THAT YOU CAN WALK ON IT RIGHT NOW. AND IN FACT IT HAS A, A SPIRAL STAIRCASE TO SERVICE THAT ROOF. BELIEVE ME, WE AS THEY'RE CONCERNED TO, TO HAVE THEIR PRIVACY, SO ARE THE OWNERS. THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THE PICTURES TO YOU. UM, IT IS POSSIBLE TO GROW LANDSCAPING 15 FEET TALL. WE'RE ALSO ADDING A SEVEN FOOT WALL IN THE REAR TO CONTROL THE WATER, YOU KNOW, SO I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THEIR PROPERTY, FRANKLY. UM, AND THAT'S THE MAIN GOAL FOR, FOR THE RESIDENTS HERE AND TO THE NORTH. WE ALSO HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OF TWO STORIES THAT ALL HAVE VISIBILITY TOWARDS THIS PROPERTY. SO BELIEVE ME, THE OWNERS ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN HAVING THEIR PRIVACY TO THE NORTH, TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST. OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER BOARD COMMENT ABOUT THAT? NO. OKAY. THEN CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE, UM, THE EYEBROW IN THE FRONT? YES. AND THE ROUNDED AND THE, YES. SO WHAT'S YOU'RE DOING ACTUALLY IN THE EYEBROW TO THE GENTLEMAN'S COMMENT, I THINK HE, HE DOESN'T WANT US TO CONNECT THESE TWO EYEBROWS. UM, AND THAT THAT'S WHAT WE DID, RIGHT? WE CONTINUED THE EYEBROW AND THEN WE WRAPPED IT TO, TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. SO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL AGAIN. THE EYEBROWS ORIGINALLY ARE ONLY [02:10:01] IN THE FRONT WINDOW. THERE IS NO EYEBROW OVER THIS WINDOW. AND THEN THIS EYEBROW IS ON THE TURN ON, ON THIS PORTION OF THE, OF THE, OF THE HOUSE. AND THE SAME HAPPENS ON THE OPPOSITE WALL WHERE THEY'RE PARTIALLY OVER TWO WINDOWS. SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS JUST CONTINUE THE GESTURE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN CONNECT IT AND WRAP IT TOGETHER. AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE HERE. YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU SEE IT HERE THAT IT WRAPS TO, TO THE HOUSE, BASICALLY. AND YOU CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, UM, UH, FACADE DRAWING? YEAH. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ONLY OVER THIS WINDOW AND OVER THIS WINDOW. AND ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, THE SAME, LET'S, LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE FRONT, OH, SORRY. AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. GO TO THE ORIGINAL FRONT. SO THE ORIGINAL FRONT, IT HAS A FRONT DOOR, IT ALSO HAS A LOWER FRONT DOOR. UM, I DON'T WANNA CALL IT AN EYEBROW. IT'S MORE OF AN OVERHANG, A FLAT OVERHANG THAT MM-HMM . THAT HAS SOME SORT OF CURVING INTO IT. UM, I THINK IT'S BETTER IF WE LOOK AT THE PICTURE. UM, IT'S, SO YOU, AS YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT HERE, THAT IT, IT, IT'S CURVED AND THEN IT CURVES OUT AND THEN IT OCCURS BACK IN MM-HMM . SO THI THIS IS THE EYEBROW. I WAS, I WAS MENTIONING THAT IT'S ONLY OVER HERE AND WE'RE TRYING TO WRAP IT AND THEN MEET WITH THE OTHER EYEBROW OVER HERE AT BE BEYOND MM-HMM . AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE OTHER GENTLEMAN'S ON ZOOM'S COMMENT. UM, AND THEN ON THE GUEST HOUSE, AS I MENTIONED IT, IT HAS THAT FLAT ROOF OVERHANG OF THREE FEET, UH, AS IT IS. UM, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, THIS LINE AND WE, WE HEARD THE, THE, THE COMMENTARY AND WE JOGGED THE HOUSE IN. OKAY. YEAH, GO AHEAD. CAN YOU JUST SHOW AGAIN WHAT'S THE PROPOSED OVERHANG IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE? YES. WHERE THERE IS THE, CURRENTLY THE JOG OUT FOR THE FRONT DOOR. YES. UH, SORRY. WE PASSED IT. SO IT, THIS IS THE LOWER, THE LOWER, UM, OVERHANG. AND THIS IS AN ACTUAL EYEBROW. I, I WOULD SAY FOR, FOR USE. UM, WE'RE NOT ADJUSTING THIS IRA AT ALL, JUST REDOING IT IN THE SAME PLACE. 'CAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE IT, IT IS NOT REALLY SITTING ON THE WINDOW. THIS ONE BELOW, THE ONE ABOVE IS, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE A LITTLE BIT BETTER HERE, THAT YOU CAN SEE THE TRIM OF THE WINDOW AND A LITTLE BIT ABOVE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OTHER WINDOW. SO THIS ONE'S NOT SITTING ON THE WINDOW. THIS ONE IS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO JUST SHIFT THE SIX INCHES UP AND CONNECT THE GESTURE TO THE OTHER EYEBROW BEYOND HERE. YEAH. OKAY. THE LOWER CANTILEVER, THAT'S MASONRY OR IS THAT ALSO NO, THAT'S ALSO, THAT'S ALSO WOOD. THAT'S WOOD. YEAH. THAT'S CRAZY. UM, AND, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU SEE THOSE STAINS BECAUSE THE, THE, THE CARPORT IS THE SCUPPERS ARE SHOOTING TO THAT FRONT WINDOW. AND THEN IT CREATED SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, UM, WATER INTRUSION. AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE STAINS ON, ON THE STUCCO. THERE WAS NO ORIGINAL, UH, ARCHITECTURAL PLANS, UH, AT THE CITY. ALL I COULD FIND WAS WHEN THEY DID LIKE THE NEW DRIVEWAY. OKAY. NOTHING FROM, OKAY. AND ARE YOU AMENABLE TO THE CURVE? TO CREATING CURVE? I, I BELIEVE SO. I BELIEVE SO. OKAY. YOUR CLIENT WOULD BE, AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEAS TO, UH, FOR THE NEIGHBORS IN, IN THE BACK TO KIND OF HELP? NO, I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE DEBBIE. THEY ARE, THEY'RE CREATING AN OVERHANG ABOVE ON THE BACK OF THE GUEST HOUSE WHERE THERE IS THE CURRENT ONE STORY ROOF, AND THEY'RE PUTTING THE OVERHANG, CAN THAT OVERHANG IN ENCROACH INTO THE SETBACK OF THE SECOND FLOOR? IT CAN UP TO 25%. AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE, THEY'RE FINE. I THINK THEY'RE THREE FEET SOMETHING FOR THAT OVERHANG. YEAH. WE, WE KEPT THE SAME OVERHANG THAT THE HOUSE HAS AS OF TODAY. YEAH. SO THE SAME FOOTPRINT THAT YOU SEE FOR THE OVERHANG REMAINS ABOVE JUST OBVIOUSLY JOGGED IN, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS, NO. SO YOU ARE KEEPING YOUR OVERHEAD WITHIN THE 25% YES. OF THE SETBACK THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO ENCROACH. CORRECT. CORRECT. IT DOESN'T COVER THE WHOLE, UM, TERRACE. SO THERE ABSOLUTELY IS NO VARIANCE ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. UH, NO. THAT'S WHY WE DID THAT TO, TO THE SECOND STORY. RANDY, WHAT'S THE, UM, RAILING ON THE REAR OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE BACK? UM, LOOKS LIKE GLASS, ISN'T IT? YEAH. BUT WE ARE MALLEABLE. IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE GLASS. AND WE'RE, AND ALSO TO YOUR COMMENT, WHAT YOU SAID WITH THE BAND, I BELIEVE THERE'LL BE MALLEABLE TO NOT HAVING A VAN ON THE GUEST HOUSE AS WELL. UM, IT WAS JUST CONTINUATION OF THE MATERIALITY AND THE LANGUAGE ON BOTH STRUCTURES. NO, I, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT WERE SOLID OR SOMETHING THAT THE PEOPLE BEHIND WOULDN'T BE SOMEONE SITTING ON A CHAIR LOOKS RIGHT THROUGH THE GLASS RIGHT THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY. GOT IT. UH, I THINK TO ALLEVIATE THAT A [02:15:01] LITTLE BIT WOULD BE A SALT. I'M NOT BIG ON SOLID WALLS AROUND BALCONIES, BUT IT IS THE REAR, THERE IS AN ISSUE OF PRIVACY ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. UM, 'CAUSE GLASS ALLOWS 'EM TO BASICALLY LOOK OUT AT THE GROUND LEVEL RIGHT OUT TO THE BACKYARD. I, I BELIEVE THERE'LL BE UNDERSTANDING TO CHANGE THAT MATERIAL. IT COULD BE A FROST IN GLASS. IT, IT COULD BE TOO. THAT'S, THAT'S TRUE TOO. JUST THEY CAN'T SEE RIGHT THROUGH IT. OKAY. WE, WE COULD DO THAT. SO WAS THE, WAS THERE A REQUEST FROM THE OWNER TO HAVE THE BALCONY ON THE REAR OF THE GAS HOUSE? O ORIGINALLY NO. WE, WE HAD, THAT'S WHY I WAS MENTIONING THAT WE HAD BATHROOMS IN THE BACK JUST WITH TWO LITTLE WINDOWS. RIGHT. BUT IN THE REDESIGN, THE BATHROOMS ENDED UP BEING THE FRONT IN BETWEEN THEM. SO RIGHT. WHEN BEFORE THEY WERE HERE, YOU KNOW, THE CLOSET, THE CLOSET WAS HERE, AND THEN THE BATHROOM WAS HERE IN THE REDESIGN, THEY ENDED UP BEING IN THE MIDDLE. RIGHT. BUT YOU STILL HAVE LIKE AN OUTDOOR SITTING AREA ON THE, LET'S SAY THE GOOD SIDE OF THE GAS HOUSE. RIGHT. BECAUSE CORRECT. WHO WANTS TO SIT IN THE BACK OF THE GAS HOUSE OVERLOOKING THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD. UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. SO, UH, I WOULD SAY MAYBE ONE NICE WAY TO COMPROMISE WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING YOU ARE DOING IS BY CODE AND WE HAVE NO RIGHTS TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM YOU. BUT IT COULD BE A NICE GESTURE FOR THE BACK, THE REAR NEIGHBOR, IF YOU JUST REPLACE THAT, JUST DON'T HAVE AN ACCESS, AN ACCESSIBLE BALCONY THERE. YOU CAN HAVE THE WINDOWS, THE DOORS, WHATEVER YOU NEED FOR THE LIGHT, BUT JUST FOCUS THE, THE GAS HOUSE, LIKE OUTDOOR LIFE TOWARDS THE SWIMMING POOL AREA OF YOUR OWN PROPERTY. I MEAN, THAT IS THE INTENTION, RIGHT? UM, IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT THE OWNER SAW AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO A A A, A GLASS SLIDING DOOR IS NOT BRINGING MORE, MORE LIGHT THAN A WINDOW. RIGHT? UH, I, I TRULY BELIEVE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE GOING OUT IN THE BALCONY OFTEN. UM, QUITE FRANKLY, I, THE, AS I UNDERSTAND THIS USE IS REALLY FOR THEIR CHILDREN. THEY WANT TO GIVE THEM A SPACE WHERE THEY CAN HANG OUT WITH THEM AND AT NIGHT JUST GO TO SLEEP AWAY FROM THEM. YOU KNOW, THAT WAY THEY CAN HAVE THEIR PRIVACY. AND REALLY THIS IS THE USE SOLELY FOR, UM, FOR SLEEPING. SO THEY DON'T FORESEE ANYBODY BEING HERE FULL TIME. IT'S ONLY DURING HOLIDAYS WHERE A FAMILY CAN CONGREGATE. THAT IS THE TRUE USE. SORRY, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. I WOULD HAVE TO ASK THEM IF THEY WOULD WANNA CHANGE THE WORLD. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. NO, I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I WAS JUST THINKING LIKE, IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE USED THEN YOU'RE JUST CREATING, UM, BAD BLOOD BETWEEN THEM AND THE BACK THEN NEVER FOR NO REASON, POTENTIALLY. NO, I KNOW. UM, AGAIN, I, I STILL FEEL THAT EVEN IF YOU'RE STANDING UP HERE AND WITH THE NEW LANDSCAPING, WITH THE NEW BLOCK WALL, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR YARD. TRULY. YOU, YOU COULD, ANOTHER OPTION MIGHT BE TO USE THAT TERRACE. THOSE ARE VERY NARROW TERRACES. USE THEM AS, UH, FOR PLANTERS TO HELP KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVE MORE VEGETATION. OKAY. VIEW VEG, YOU KNOW, VIEWS OF VEGETATION INTO THOSE BEDROOMS. WE, AT THE SAME TIME, IT WOULD MEAN THEY WOULD HAVE LESS, MORE PRIVACY. THEY WOULD'VE MORE PRIVACY AT THAT SECOND FLOOR LEVEL. I THINK THEY'LL BE OPEN TO HAVING A PLANTER HANDRAIL. YEAH, LIKE A PLANTER. IT COULD BE JUST ALONG THE FRONT OF THE YEAH. THE TERRACE. OKAY. OKAY. I I, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM. I THINK THEY'LL BE OPEN TO DOING THAT. AND SOLID. AND THE SOLID BALCONY, UH, RAILING. IF THERE'S A RAIL, IT WOULD BE A PLANTER, RIGHT? CORRECT. IT WOULD BE ALL A PLANTER. ALL RIGHT. IS, UM, WELL ANYWAY, LET'S, WE CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'RE GONNA ASSUME, UM, WE ARE READY TO, UH, MOVE ON AND, UM, WE HAVE BOARD MEMBER COMMENT OR LET'S ANYBODY WANT PROPOSE A MOTION, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, MORE, MORE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. HOW, HOW DO WE ALL FEEL ABOUT THE, UH, SECOND STORY PRIMARY FACADE, CANTILEVER BEING ELONGATED? UH, IS, IS THAT AN ISSUE FOR ANYBODY? THE, THE WOODEN EYEBROW AT THE, OKAY, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EYEBROW. I WAS LIKE, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EYEBROW, BUT THAT IS NOT THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU USE, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S OKAY. I WAS LIKE CANTILEVER. I MEAN, YEAH, TECHNICALLY I HANG A LOT OF ARCHITECTS. TECHNICALLY. YES. UM, THE ELONGATION OF IT. UM, I, I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE ELONGATION. I WAS ASKING, UM, MY, MY BIGGER CONCERN ABOUT IT WAS THE MATERIALITY. UM, THAT WAS MY CONCERN, UM, WITH IT BEING METAL VERSUS STUCCO OR STUCCO, CLA OCL. OKAY. I, I WOULD PREFER, I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER IT TO STOP, NOT GO OVER THE BATHROOM AND CONTINUE AND DO, I WOULD PREFER THAT THE FRONT AT LEAST [02:20:01] HOLDS THE LINE OF THE, UH, OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT TOO? YEAH. WHICH WOULD JUST MEAN IT STOPS, IT DOESN'T GO OVER THE BATHROOM, WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF YES. JUST TO ASK, WOULD IT BE OKAY TO, TO BEGIN AT THE CARPORT ON THE TURN TOWARDS, UM, I'M SORRY. YOU HAVE, CAN YOU PULL UP THE DRAWING SHOWS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? SO BASICALLY, RATHER THAN BOTH CONNECTING, WOULD IT BE OKAY THAT IT BEGUN WHERE THE CARPORT ENDS? OH, ON, ON THE, ON THE FRONT. OH, SORRY, YEAH, THE FRONT. YEAH, I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT. OKAY. YEAH. SO ELIMINATE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, THIS PIECE. YES. CORRECT. SO THAT IT MIMICS WHAT'S THERE NOW. EXACTLY. OKAY. AND HAVE IT AND HAVE A CURVE RATHER THAN SQUARE, RATHER THAN SQUARED. I THINK THAT'S OKAY. RIGHT. SO, BUT THEN CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE SIDE? BECAUSE YOU WANNA HAVE A COVER ABOVE THE CARPORT, RIGHT? NO, I, I AND THEN YOU JUST KEEP THE EXISTING EYEBROW ON THE SIDE. I WAS SAYING THAT RATHER THAN, UM, THE, THE EYEBROW CONNECTING TO EACH OTHER THAT IT BEGUN WHERE THE CARPORT ENDS, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS ON UNACCESSIBLE, WE CAN'T WALK ON TOP OF THE CARPORT ROOF. CORRECT. SO THERE WON'T BE ANY, THERE'S NO NEED NEED FOR THE EYEBROW ANYMORE. OKAY. MM-HMM . PERFECT. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN IN YOUR FRONT RENDERING, YOU SHOW LIKE, THE UNDERSIDE OF THE EYEBROW IS BEING GRAY AND THE EDGE WHITE. CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? SHE'S LOOKING AT THE RENDERING MARK? YEAH, ON THE VERY, THERE YOU GO. THE FRONT OF IT. YES. OH, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE? I THINK IT'S, IT'S JUST THE RENDERING, UM, THE, THE SHADOW UP ABOVE, UP ABOVE. OH, THIS, OH, SORRY, YEAH. THAT DARK THING ON THE CORNER. YEAH. SO ORIGINALLY THEY WANTED TO ADD SOME LIGHTS, BUT I BELIEVE NOW THAT IF, IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS ADJUSTMENT, IT SHOULD JUST BE WHITE NOW. AND SINCE THERE'S GONNA BE A BREAK, THERE'S NO NEED TO DO TO DO THAT ANYMORE. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. ALRIGHT. SO DOES ANYBODY, UM, HAVE A MOTION THAT CAN CONTAINS ALL THOSE, UH, ALL THOSE, UH, SUGGESTIONS? OKAY. SO JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, IN STAFF'S, UH, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, UM, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE EAST OR THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING BE RESTORED, UM, TO ITS HISTORIC CONFIGURATION. MM-HMM . UM, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MORE SPECIFICITY THAN THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING BUILDING ACTUALLY IS INTACT ON THE FRONT. MM-HMM . UM, IN TERMS OF THE EYEBROWS AND THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES MM-HMM . UM, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL SPECIFICITY, BUT THE BOARD COULD CERTAINLY ADD SOME, BUT I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT'S ALREADY IN THE DRAFT RECOMMENDATION FOR THE EAST FACADE. AND IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? YEAH, I, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH THE CURVES, WITH THE SAME PROPORTIONS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. IS, IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH RAISING THE EYEBROW ON THE SECOND FLOOR SO THAT IT GETS OFF THE WINDOW? YES. WELL, THAT'S NOT OUR RECOMMENDATION. OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO MAINTAIN IT IN ITS PART, MAINTAIN THE, MAINTAIN THE SAME RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE EYEBROW AND THE, UM, WINDOW FRAME. YES, THANK YOU. WHICH IS MORE OR LESS WHAT YOU'VE DONE. I THINK YOU'VE RAISED IT SIX INCHES. AS LONG AS THE MATERIAL CAN BE DIFFERENT AND LOOK LIKE, LIKE IT USED TO, I THINK THERE'S NO ISSUE. PERFECT. THANK YOU. AND THE, SO THE MOTION THAT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR WOULD BE BASICALLY THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE FRONT, WHICH KIND OF GET, GET US BACK TO THE HISTORIC FACADE WITH THE CURVE. AND THEN I THINK THE ONLY CHANGE ON THE REAR WOULD BE TO, UM, PLANTER INCLUDE A PLANTER ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE AUXILIARY AUXILIARY BUILDING TO A HEIGHT OF, YOU KNOW, A RAILING. YEAH. AND WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT, UM, WE GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY ON THAT, THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, ADDING A PLANTER IF IT'S GONNA BECOME UNUSABLE. SO I THINK WE COULD SAY IT COULD BE ELIMINATED, OR THE RAIL CAN BE TURNED INTO A SOLID, UM, PLANTER ELEMENT IS, IS MAKING THAT REAR BALCONY ON THE ACCESSORY BUILDING NOT ACCESSIBLE AND CONVERTING THE INSIDE TO BE A KNOT ORIENTED TOWARDS THE BACKYARD, NOT AN OPTION. AND THEREFORE THERE WOULD BE A SETBACK ON THE UPPER LEVEL. SO THE VIEW EVEN FROM THE WINDOWS WOULD BE CUT BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS SET BACK FROM THE GROUND FLOOR, BUT DON'T MAKE THAT LITTLE PATIO, WHICH IS REALLY FOCUSING ON SOMEONE'S BACKYARD ACCESSIBLE FROM INSIDE. AND, AND THEY COULD CONVERT THE REAR OF THOSE UNITS TO THE BATHROOM CLOSETS LIKE THEY'D ORIGINALLY HAD PRESENTED, WHICH I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT, SO I DON'T, SO I THINK THE BOARD COULD, UM, NOT ALLOW AN ACCESSIBLE ROOF PORT. RIGHT. UM, BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE INTERIORS BECAUSE THE INTERIOR OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE NOT UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THIS BOARD. UM, SO [02:25:01] YEAH. BUT IF YOU TOOK THE RAILING OFF AND DIDN'T MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE, IT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF DIRECT ACCESS LOOKING DOWN INTO THE NEIGHBORS FROM THE SECOND FLOOR. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D BE WILLING TO, I MEAN, WE KNOW WHAT THE, WE KNOW THE RESULT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, WHETHER IT, WHETHER THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE OUT THERE OR NOT, WE WANT THEM TO BE MM-HMM . BLOCKED FROM THE NEIGHBORS, HAVING SOMEBODY SITTING THERE LOOKING AT THEM. YEAH. JUST GO WITH THE FROSTED GLASS. THAT'S THE SIMPLEST WAY. OH, ARE WE WILLING? THANK YOU, RAY. ARE WE WILLING TO LET THAT, UM, ARE, ARE YOU, ARE YOU WILLING TO KIND OF DEAL WITH THAT ADMINISTRATIVE YES. STAFF DID NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THE PROPOSAL, UM, BECAUSE IT DOES COMPLY WITH ALL THE, THE REGULATIONS. SO I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK WITH, UM, EDWIN TO MODIFY THE DESIGN OF THE RAILINGS. RIGHT. OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THIS BOARD'S DIRECTION IS, I I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO, TO WORK. THAT'S A RELATIVELY SIMPLE ITEM. YEAH. I I THINK THAT WOULD, I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE YOU SOME FLEXIBILITY KNOWING THE GOAL IS TO, IS TO PREVENT THAT FROM BEING JUST COMPLETELY CORRECT. OPEN AND TO, AND TO, UM, WHAT ABOUT, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. OFFSETTING IT FIVE FEET, UH, WITH, UH, OBSCURED GLASS. IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? IS IT A, UH, WALK AROUND? UH, NO. IT, IT IS. SO HOW ABOUT JUST SETTING IT IN? UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN EXACTLY. UH, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THE RAIL ALONG THE PARAPET OF THE, UH, ONE STORY STRUCTURE, JUST, UH, HAVE THE RETURN FIVE FEET FROM THAT, UH, THAT WALL. SO NO RAIL AT ALL ON THAT. OR YOU COULD HAVE A RAIL, BUT, UH, JUST FIVE FEET, UH, FROM THE, UH, PARAPET OF THAT ONE STORY STRUCTURE. HOW DEEP IS THAT? IT'S ONLY FOUR FEET. IT'S ONLY FOUR FEET. SO YOU'D BE, YOU DON'T EVEN, THERE'S NO BALCONY FOUR FOOT DEEP BALCONY. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I, OKAY. OKAY. I WOULD SAY IF IT'S POSSIBLE, CAN IT BE A COMBINATION? I DON'T, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH A FROSTED GLASS AND MAYBE A PARAPET HANDRAIL THAT'S A PLANTER. AND I THINK THERE, YOU SOLVE THE ISSUE, NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE A FROSTED GLASS PARAPET AND THEN YOU HAVE A WALL AND LANDSCAPING, I THINK YEAH, THEY, THEY, OKAY. I THINK LINDSAY IS, WELL, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THE RECOMMEND OR THE SUGGESTION FROM THE BOARD THAT THEY WORK WITH STAFF KIND OF KNOWING, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID, JOHN, KNOWING WHAT THE OBJECTIVE IS AND WORKING WITH STAFF. I MEAN, I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO PUT A CONDITION ON IT WHEN THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THIS. AND WE HAVE, WE HAD, WE DID PREVIOUSLY ASK THEM TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T REQUIRE THE VARIANCE. RIGHT. SO WE, SO WE, THEY DID, WE, WE EXACTLY, THEY DID THAT. WE INSISTED UPON IT. THEY, THEY COMPLIED WITH THAT. AND, AND SO I THINK WORKING WITH STAFF I THINK IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A GOOD ROUTE TO GO HERE, UM, KNOWING WHAT THE OBJECTIVE IS. OKAY. UM, AND IT MAY TURN OUT THAT THEY DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY. RIGHT. THEY MAY DO THAT. UH, SO, UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION? UM, I'LL GIVE IT A TRY. SO I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE HPB 24 DASH 6 32 WITH ALL THE STAFF CONDITIONS PLUS THE AMENDMENT TO WORK WITH STAFF TO CREATE MORE PRIVACY FROM THE SECOND STORY GUEST HOUSE TOWARDS THE BACK, THE REAR NEIGHBOR. INCLUDE EVERYTHING. I THINK THAT'S COMPLETE. UH, I'LL SECOND THAT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. LET ME CALL THE ROLE. UM, MR. MEYER? YES. MS. LOVE? YES. MR. BRESLIN? YES. MR. HOLLINGWORTH? YES. UH, MS. CAR. MARGO? YES. MR. NOVIK? YES. MR. STEWART? YES. OKAY. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. OH, THAT'S FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. NOW FOR THE VARIANCES, WE'RE GONNA NEED A SEPARATE MOTION. THANK YOU. JAKE. SEPARATE MOTION FOR THE VARIANCES. ANYONE HAVE A MOTION? UH, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. OKAY. WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. LET ME CALL THE ROLL. UH, MR. BRESLIN. MR. HOLLINGWORTH? YES. MR. MEYER? NO. MS. CAR. MARGO? YES. UH, MS. LOVELL? YES. MR. NOVIK? YES. AND MR. STEWART? YES. OKAY. SO THAT'S SIX TO ONE. OKAY. NOW YOU'RE DONE. ED, HAVE A NICE DAY. ALL THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH YOU. OKAY. I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY GET THROUGH, UH, THE NEXT COUPLE APPLICATIONS BEFORE LUNCH. ALRIGHT. UM, I'M GONNA READ THE NEXT [5. HPB24-0618, 1020 Pennsylvania Avenue.] [6. HPB25-0647 a.k.a. HPB 7431, 1020 Pennsylvania Avenue.] TWO APPLICATIONS TOGETHER. THEY'RE FOR THE SAME PROPERTY. UM, WE HAVE HPB FILE 25 0 6 4 7 10 20 [02:30:04] PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE. THE APP, AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A MODIFICATION TO A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE AFTER THE FACT DEMOLITION OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THE SITE. SPECIFICALLY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE DELETION OF CONDITION C ONE OF THE FINAL ORDER. UH, THE NEXT APPLICATION IS HPV 24 0 6 1 8. AGAIN, THIS IS 10 20 PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE AND APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, INCLUDING ONE OR MORE WAIVERS. WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JAKE FOR OUR STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU, DEBBIE. THESE APPLICATIONS WERE LAST HEARD AT THE APRIL MEETING. THE FIRST APPLICATION IS TO MODIFY A CONDITION OF THE FINAL ORDER FOR THE AFTER THE FACT DEMOLITION OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING BUILDINGS. GRANTED IN 2014, THE CONDITION STATES ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE SHALL NOT EXCEED THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PREVIOUS STRUCTURES, WHICH WAS ABOUT 4,530 SQUARE FEET. A NEW OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAS SUBMITTED A SEPARATE APPLICATION TO REDEVELOP THE SITE WITH A NEW MULTIFAMILY BUILDING, WHICH EXCEEDS THE PREVIOUS SQUARE FOOTAGE BY ABOUT 4,100 SQUARE FEET. STAFF HAS EVALUATED THE NEW BUILDING AND FINDS THAT IT IS APPROPRIATELY SCALED AND MASKED IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORING TWO AND THREE STORY BUILDINGS AND THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC DISTRICT. IF, IF THE CONDITION REMAINS, IT MAY NOT BE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE TO REDEVELOP THE SITE AS ANY NEW STRUCTURE WOULD BE LIMITED TO APPROXIMATELY 50% OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE PERMITTED BY CODE. IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THE SLOT HAS REMAINED VACANT FOR OVER 10 YEARS AND HAS HAD AN INCREASINGLY ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC DISTRICT, STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE DELETION OF THIS CONDITION. THE SECOND APPLICATION IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW THREE STORY SIX UNIT MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON THE VACANT SITE. STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE BUILDING DESIGN, WHICH HAS BEEN DEVELOPED IN A MANNER THAT APPROPRIATELY SPONSORED THE ARCHITECTURAL OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE HEIGHT, SCALE, AND MASSING OF THIS SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. IN RESPONSE TO STAFF'S COMMENTS, THE PROJECTING OVERHANG AT THE THIRD LEVEL FACING, FACING THE STREET HAS BEEN REDUCED BY TWO FEET IN DEPTH. HOWEVER, STAFF CONTINUES TO RECOMMEND THAT THE OVERHANG NOT PROJECT INTO THE REQUIRED 20 FOOT FRONT SETBACK IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE PERCEIVED MASS OF THE BUILDING. FINALLY, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL OF A WAIVER RELATED TO THE HEIGHT OF THE COVERED PARKING AREA AT THE GROUND LEVEL. THE ARM ONE ZONING DISTRICT REQUIRES A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF 12 FEET ABOVE BASE BLOOD ELEVATION, PLUS ONE FOOT FREEBOARD WHEN PARKING IS LOCATED BELOW THE FIRST HABIT HABITABLE LEVEL. HOWEVER, THE BOARD MAY WAVE THIS REQUIREMENT BY UP TO TWO FEET. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS CRITERIA, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE TWO FOOT HEIGHT WAIVER REQUEST AS THIS MINOR REDUCTION IN HEIGHT HELPS TO ENSURE GREATER COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ADJACENT LOW SCALE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES OF THE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF BOTH APPLICATIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ABOUT THIS PROJECT, ABOUT THIS APPLICATION? I WANT TO STATE WHEN I, UH, FIRST SERVED ON THIS BOARD BACK IN, UH, 2001 TO 2007, UH, THE BUILDING STILL EXISTED AND, UH, UH, IT WAS DEMOLISHED SOON THEREAFTER. SO, UH, THIS IS, UH, UH, BEEN ALIGHT ON THE COMMUNITY FOR QUITE SOME TIME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM, WITH THAT, PLEASE. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME. MY NAME IS ALFREDO GONZALEZ. I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH GUNSTER WITH OFFICES AT, UM, 9 0 1 PON LEON. UM, IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE REPRESENTING THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY AND OCTAVIO VALDI, WHO'S THE, UM, UM, OWNER OF THE ENTITY ITSELF, IS HERE WITH US, AS IS OCTA, AS IS JOSE SANCHEZ, OUR ARCHITECT, ARCHITECT WITH PRAXIS ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN. AND MY PARTNER, BOBBY BEHAR, WILL BE HELPING ME TODAY. SO, UH, AS STAFF SUMMARIZED, WE HAVE THREE REQUESTS. THE FIRST REQUEST HAS TO DO WITH THE, UM, AFTER THE FACT ORDER, AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO MODIFY THAT ONE RESTRICTION THAT LIMITS WHAT YOU CAN BUILD. EXCUSE. CAN WE GET THE PRESENTATION, UH, PUT UP ON THE SCREEN? THANK YOU. SECONDLY, WE ARE ASKING FOR A, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A SIX UNIT PROJECT. UM, TOOK TOGETHER WITH SIX PARKING SPACES, UM, [02:35:01] AND A WAIVER, UH, FROM THE REQUIREMENT OF 12 FEET. FOR THE UNDER PARKING, UH, AREA, THE, THE UNDER STORY TO, TO 10 FEET, I'LL TACKLE FIRST THE ORDER. THE ORIGINAL BUILDING WAS LITERALLY SINKING, UM, AS IT FOUNDATION WAS NOT PROPERLY CONSTRUCTED. SO BACK IN 2014, THEY DEMOLISHED IT AND, UM, THE BOARD ISSUED AN AFTER THE FACT PERMIT. UM, OUR CLIENTS WERE NOT THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME. WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. WE WORKED SINCE EXTENSIVELY WITH STAFF TO BRING A GREAT PROJECT, WE THINK BEFORE YOU AND HOPE YOU GIVE IT, UH, YOUR POSITIVE CONSIDERATION. SO IN REGARDS TO THE MODIFICATION OF THE ORDER, THE ORDER HAS A RESTRICTION THAT YOU CAN ONLY BUILD. WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE? THAT WAS ABOUT 4,500 SQUARE FEET. 45 30 I BELIEVE, UH, THAT IS LESS, UM, AT AROUND 50% OF WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS YOU TO BUILD IN THE AREA. UM, SO WE ARE, WE'RE HOPING YOU CAN TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT ALSO THE FAR, UM, OF 1 25. WE'RE BUILDING AT LESS THAN THAT. THESE RESTRICTIONS LITERALLY HAVE KEPT THIS PROPERTY VACANT FOR 10 YEARS. I THINK YOUR STAFF AGREES WITH THAT FACT. UH, IT'S ALSO AFFECTED THE GENERAL AREA. UM, AND, AND IN A WAY IT'S UNFAIR IN THAT, UM, A A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS, DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA, UM, HAVE BEEN APPROVED AT THE HIGHER FLOOR AREA. UM, SO WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THAT, THAT, AND TO FOLLOW YOUR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. SECONDLY, UM, WE HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE STORY. OUR ARCHITECT WILL, WILL ELABORATE ON THAT. JUST A FEW POINTS ON THAT. FIRST OF ALL, IT'S RECOMMENDED BY YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF AND IT COMPLIES WITH YOUR MASTER PLAN WITH YOUR ZONING CODE. THERE ARE NO VARIANCES THAT WE'RE ASKING. UM, FURTHER, OUR REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND OUR ARCHITECT'S DRAWINGS WILL SHOW THAT AT THAT LAST HEARING, A CONCERN WAS VOICED ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE, UH, UNITS. WELL, OUR ARCHITECT WILL ADDRESS THIS. WE'VE DONE A STUDY AND THE SIZE OF OUR UNITS ARE EITHER THE SAME OR GREATER THAN UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT AROUND US. YOUR STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION, BUT INDICATED SOME CONCERNS WITH THE OVERHANG. NOW, THE OVERHANG, UH, THAT YOUR CODE ALLOWS SIX FEET OF OVERHANG, UH, OVERHANG, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR TWO FEET. AND THAT'S AFTER A LOT OF, UH, NEGOTIATIONS AND, AND STUDY WITH STAFF ON THIS ISSUE. WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT YOU'LL AGREE THAT, UH, AND THIS, THE ARCHITECT WOULD ADDRESS THIS, THAT THOSE TWO FEET ARE APPROPRIATE AND MAKE THE PROPERTY, UH, LOOK BETTER. UH, WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR A WAIVER, WHICH YOU ARE ENTITLED TO GRANT US SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO UNDER SECTION 7.1 0.2 OF YOUR, UH, CODE. AND ESSENTIALLY OUR GARAGE IS GONNA SET, UH, HAVE A HEIGHT OF 10 FEET INSTEAD OF 12 FEET. WELL, THAT WILL MAKE IT MORE COMPATIBLE WITH ALL OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE AROUND US. UH, I WOULD HOPE YOU, YOU WILL SUPPORT THAT. UM, WE WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THIS APPLICATION, UH, UM, UNDER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE PROVISO THAT WE GET THOSE TWO FEET ON THE OVERHANG AND THE WAIVER ON, UH, AS WELL. SO BEFORE I CLOSE, HOWEVER, I'D LIKE TO HAVE OUR ARCHITECT ADDRESS YOU ON SOME OF THE FINER POINTS OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE PROJECT AND SOME ISSUES. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. JOSE SANCHEZ WITH PRAXIS ARCHITECTURE. UM, AT THIS POINT, UH, MOST OF THE KEY, UM, ITEMS HAVE BEEN, UH, REVIEWED THE ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE SATISFIED. SO I WILL JUST PROVIDE, UM, A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT FOR THE BENEFITS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT, UH, WERE NOT PRESENT IN THE, DURING THE INITIAL MEETING. UM, UH, AND, UH, ADDRESS THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, THE, THE CONTEXT AND THE AESTHETICS OF THE PROJECTS. IN GENERAL TERMS, IT START WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE, UH, PROPERTIES IN THE AREA ARE, UH, UH, MOST OF THEM TWO STORY MULTIFAMILY UNITS BUILT IN THE, UH, AROUND THE FIFTIES. UH, PRIMARILY IN DIFFERENT STYLES, UM, WITH ELEMENTS OF MEDITERRANEAN STYLE CONTEMPORARY AND, AND THE MAJORITY OF THEM WITH, UM, ELEMENTS OF, UM, FLORIDA ART [02:40:01] DECO STYLE. BUT IN MOST CASES, UH, NONE OF THE PROPERTIES COMPLETELY TRUE TO THE STYLE. IT'S JUST THEY HAVE ELEMENTS. BUT IT'S A TWO STORY MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS, BASIC UNITS, WALK UPS. UM, AND WITH THE STAIRS AND, UM, THE, THE, UH, WE, WE DID SOME RESEARCH AND THEN THE SIZE OF MOST OF THE UNITS, IT'S, UH, RANGES BETWEEN 500 AND 600 SQUARE FEET. IT'S IN A ROOF ROOM, OCCUPANCY, STUDIO APARTMENTS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE HAVE, UM, THAT EXHIBIT AT, AT THE END IF WE NEED TO SEE IT. UM, SO IT'S A VERY COHESIVE ALL AND, AND, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN THE, THE CHARACTER OF THE, OF THE AREA, UM, HERE. UH, AND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE SIZE, UH, OF THE UNITS. UH, FIRST WE ARE PROPOSING UNITS AT APPROXIMATELY 1200 SQUARE FEET WITHOUT COUNTING THE STAIRS, WHICH IS, UH, LARGER THAN MOST OF THE EXISTING UNITS. AND IT'S, I THINK IT'S, UM, CONSISTENT WITH, UH, MOST OF THE, UH, MULTI-FAMILY, EITHER APARTMENTS OR SMALL TOWNHOUSE UNITS BEING BUILT TODAY. UH, THE, THE CONFIGURATION IS A, A TOWNHOUSE CONFIGURATION OVER, OVER PARKING WITH A, A COMMON GROUND FLOOR, TWO BEDROOMS IN THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH IS A MAIN BEDROOM, UH, AND A, A KIDS' BEDROOM. THAT'S NINE BY 11. AND WE THINK IT'S ALSO CONSISTENT WITH, UH, SIZE OF, UM, BEDROOMS FOR, UM, MULTIFAMILY PRODUCTS EXCEPT FOR, UH, LUXURY UNITS. AND, UH, UM, A FLEX, UH, SPACE IN THE UPPER LEVEL FOR STUDIO, UH, I MEAN, UH, FOR, UH, O OFFICE OR, UM, A TV ROOM EXTRA. BUT THE, THE REAL BENEFIT WAS TO CREATE THE ROOF TERRACE, WHICH COULD PROVIDE SOMETHING ELSE TO THE, UM, RESIDENTS. AND, UH, AND IT, IT'S BASICALLY THEY'RE IN THEIR GARDEN. SO WE FEEL THAT, UH, THE UNITS EVEN THERE, IF THEY'RE NOT, UH, HUGE OR AMPLE, THEY ARE LIVABLE AND THEY WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE HOUSING MIX IN THE AREA. SO THAT'S THE, UH, THOSE ARE THE FLOOR PLANS IN, IN GENERAL, AND WE CAN SEE IN MORE DETAIL LATER. AND THIS IS, UM, THE EXTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE, UH, INITIAL, UH, CANOPY PROJECTING ON THE LEFT SIDE AND AS IT'S PROPOSED ON THE RIGHT SIDE. WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU MIND JUST USING THE CURSOR, UH, ON SURE. SO YOU CAN JUST POINT OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? SURE, YEAH, THERE YOU GO. YEAH, THIS IS THE CANOPY THAT, THAT, UH, WAS REDUCED. IT WAS MUCH LARGER AND THIS IS THE WAY IT'S PROPOSED CURRENTLY. AND WE, WE THINK THAT THE, UM, THE, THE CANOPY, IT, IT, IT'S, UM, IT PROVIDES AN INTERESTING PROFILE TO THE PROPERTY AND SOME CHARACTER. WE WANTED TO, UM, BLEND WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO TO, TO HAVE SOME CHARACTER. SO I, AND AS IT IS PROPOSED, I THINK IT WORKS WELL WITH THE, WITH THE PROJECT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE OUR COMPOSITION OF HORIZONTAL ELEMENTS AND THE, THE BALCONIES AND AT THE LOWER LEVEL CANOPY, UM, IN, UM, FOLLOWING THE, THE ART DECO ELEMENTS AND, AND GUIDELINES. AND I THINK IT'S, UM, UM, IT PROVIDES MORE CHARACTER TO THE PROJECT, BUT IF THE BOARD WARRANTS THAT IT TO, IT NEEDS TO BE FURTHER REDUCED. WE ARE OPEN TO THAT CONVERSATION, OF COURSE. AND, UH, THAT'S, UM, THE, THE EXTERIOR OF THE PROJECT. I WILL NOT GET INTO MORE DETAILS AS THIS, UH, UM, WAS PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY IN, IN DE IN DETAIL. AND THAT'S, UH, BASICALLY THE, THE ESSENCE OF THE PROJECT THAT CONCLUDES THIS OVERVIEW. AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FEEDBACK, UH, ON THE DESIGN INTENT OR, OR THE CHARACTER. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. UH, DOES THAT CONCLUDE THE, YOUR PRESENTATION? THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. ALRIGHT THEN, UM, NOW WE HAVE BOARD QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? NO. QUICK QUESTION. OKAY, GO AHEAD PLEASE. SO WHY DO YOU NEED TO REDUCE THE GROUND FLOOR, UH, CEILING FLOOR TO CEILING HEIGHT FROM THE REQUIRED 12 TO 10? UH, IT'S BE TO HAVE A BETTER SCALE FOR THE BUILDING. I THINK THE REGULATION, UH, UH, APPLIES MORE FOR LARGER PROPERTIES. THIS A VERY NARROW PROPERTY THAT THE NARROWEST AVAILABLE, AND IT, IT JUST, IT FEELS TOO HIGH BEING NARROW THE ENTRANCE TO THE, UH, GARAGE, IT, IT CAN FEEL MORE LIKE A FIREHOUSE EFFECT. SO IT'S JUST FOR BETTER PROPORTIONS. UM, IT'S A SMALL, UM, APARTMENT [02:45:01] WITH SIX UNITS, SO THAT'S WHY IT, IT'S ALSO MORE COMPATIBLE WITH OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA. YES, THE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT HAVE VERY, UH, LOW FLOOR TO FLOOR HEIGHT. THAT'S MITCH. YEAH, THE OVERHANG ON THE ROOF. SO STAFF WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT REDUCED FURTHER. UH, I, I FORGOT YOU INDICATED IT'S COMING OUT FIVE FEET AND IT STILL HAS THE, UH, OPENINGS WITH THE, THE COAT ALLOWED SIX FEET. UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TWO FEET, UH, TWO, TWO FOOT REDUCTION. WELL, NO, NO, TWO, TWO FEET IN IN TOTAL. IN TOTAL. AND IT, OH NO, I'M SORRY. THREE FEET IN TOTAL. TWO FEET REDUCTION. I'M SORRY. SO I, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BY YOUR CURRENT RENDERING. IT LOOKS MARKED MUCH LARGER, THE OPENINGS WITHIN THAT MM-HMM . OVERHANG. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE THOSE DIMENSIONS? IT, IT SHOULD BE THREE FEET IN DEPTH TOTAL. AND IT, AND IT HAS WITH, WITH THOSE OPENINGS? YES. WITH THOSE OPENINGS TOTAL. CAN YOU PULL THE IMAGE UP JUST SO WE CAN PULL THAT IMAGE BACK UP? IT WAS, IT'S, YEAH, THAT ONE. PERFECT. SO WHAT'S TWO, WHAT'S TWO FEET AND WHAT'S THREE FEET? THIS IS, THIS IS THREE FEET HERE. IT USED TO BE MORE, IT APPEARS MUCH WIDER THAN THREE FEET. UH, OR THE DEPTH IS GREATER THAN THREE FEET. BUT THAT'S WHAT IT IS. I MEAN, IN, IN, NO, I'M NOT SURE YOU KNOW ABOUT THE RENDERING, BUT IT, IT, IT'S, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE IN THE FLOOR PLAN IS THREE FEET. AND THAT'S WHAT WE INTEND TO DO. STEPH, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT, DEBBIE? I MEAN, I DEFINITELY THINK IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE FIVE FEET. UM, I, I, THE RENDERING, I'M NOT SURE, I'M NOT SURE HOW ACCURATE IT IS EITHER. 'CAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN THAT SHOWS THE THREE FEET, IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S SHOWN IN THE RENDERING REGARDLESS. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO ADJUST IT, BUT I, I DO THINK CUTTING IT BACK, EVEN THOUGH THEY JUST CUT IT BACK TWO FEET, WE ARE RECOMMENDING IT BE CUT BACK. UM, FIVE FEET IS, YOU KNOW, IS AN, IS AN IMPROVEMENT. THIS PROJECT HAS COME A LONG WAY. I THINK THAT THE TEAM HAS DONE REALLY GOOD. THEIR, THEIR ARCHITECT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF LISTENING TO STAFF. UM, WE'VE WORKED WITH YOU. I MEAN, IT'S BEEN MONTHS WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH, AND I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE IN A REALLY GOOD PLACE NOW. EVEN WITH THE THREE FEET, IT WAS MORE THAN STAFF WANTED, BUT I, I THINK IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT. WE'RE FLEXIBLE AND THEN WE'LL WORK WITH STAFF ON IT. ALL RIGHT. UH, YOU HAVE ANY CONS? IS THE THE OPENINGS OR JUST TO CREATE SHADOW, IS IT THAT, UH, YES. TO CREATE SHADOW. SHADOW AND INTEREST, BUT IT COULD BE SOLID AS WELL. IS IT ALSO FUNCTIONAL TO, UH, NO. WELL DIMINISH. EXPLAIN IF SOMEBODY SHOULD BE STANDING. NOT THAT MUCH. IT'S FOR THE SHADOWS REALLY. BUT IT COULD, IT COULD BE SOLID. IT'S, YEAH. OKAY. IF IT'S CONSIDERED A BETTER OPTION. UH, RAY, JUST MY FAVORITE QUESTION. IS THIS GONNA BE FOR APARTMENTS OR CONDOS? IT'S GONNA BE, UH, APARTMENTS. NOT CONDOMINIUM. NOT CONDOMINIUM FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. AND AIRBNB OR NO? UM, I DON'T KNOW. IT HAS NEVER BEEN DISCUSSED. THAT'S NOT PERMITTED. CURIOUS. IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THIS ATION. IT'S NOT ALLOWED RIGHT HERE. IT'S NOT ALLOWED. WE, WE HAVE NEVER DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE OWNER . UM, OKAY. LINDSEY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? NO. ALRIGHT. UM, AND I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. I THINK, UM, NOW WE'LL GO TO, SO THANK YOU. I THINK WE'LL HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN, UH, WE WILL HAVE, UH, FIRST THOUGH, UH, BOARD DISCLOSURES. ARE THERE ANY DISCLOSURES RELATED TO THIS APPLICATION? NO. NO? NO. UH, NO. WE DON'T SEE THAT. IT SEEMS LIKE A NO. UM, THEN LET'S OPEN IT TO PUBLIC. UH, HEY, UH, ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE PLEASE COME FORWARD. OH MY GOODNESS. HI, ROGER GOLDBLATT, UH, MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE. UM, WE HAVE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPOSED DESIGN FOR THE NEW BUILDING. THE BOX DOWN WINDOWS AND ROOF DESIGN DON'T SEEM TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THIS FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, AND THE CHARACTER, THE OVERALL DESIGN SHOULD BETTER REFLECT THE ARCHITECTURAL CONTEXT OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. UH, WE, WE ALSO HAD SOMETHING ABOUT THE, UM, DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT AND CHANGING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. BUT PERSONALLY, I UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION AND, UH, I'M NOT GONNA READ THAT PART. THANK YOU, . [02:50:01] KEEP IT IN MIND. OKAY. I BELIEVE, I'M SORRY, JOHN. YEAH, GO FOR IT. THROUGH, THROUGH THE CHAIR. , I BELIEVE THE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN VACANT SINCE, UH, 2005. IS IS THAT THE CORRECT, ACCORDING TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? I KNOW IT WAS DEMOLISHED A LITTLE LATER, BUT THIS, THIS CAME TO US, UH, WAY BACK THEN, UH, WITH ISSUES. ALRIGHT. IS THERE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT? ANYBODY ONLINE? NO. OKAY. UM, I, I JUST WANTED TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION JUST FOR MY OWN, UH, CURIOSITY. UM, CAN YOU COME UP MR. GONZALES? YEAH. JUST TO ASK YOU, YOU, YOU SAID, UM, IN YOUR, IN YOUR STATE OPENING STATEMENT THAT, UM, THAT WE KNOW THE LOT HAS BEEN RE HAS BEEN, HAS REMAINED VACANT BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENT THAT IT ONLY HAS 41,000 SQUARE FEET. UM, 41, SORRY. 4,100, UH, SQUARE FEET BUILT ON IT. WHAT, WHAT DATA DO YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT THAT STATEMENT? LIKE HOW DO YOU KNOW? WELL, WE'VE TRIED, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE TRIED TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AND JUST ECONOMICALLY IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE. DID THEY SAY THAT IN PUBLIC? DID THEY, IS IT, IS IT SOMEWHERE? UM, CAN I FIND THAT IN WRITING? I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF FACTS BEHIND THAT STATEMENT. YOU WERE, EXCEPT YOUR STAFF DISAGREE WITH THAT? NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THE ANECDOTAL POSSIBILITY OF IT, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT, UM, WE, WE FIGURE OUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE KNOW WHAT DATA IS. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, ACTUALLY, SOMEBODY SAID, I CAN'T BUY THIS. THEY TRIED THIS PROCESS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND IT DIDN'T WORK, AND THEY SAID, I'M, FORGET IT. I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HAPPENED OR NOT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING YOU. I KNOW IT'S HAPPENED WITH OUR CLIENT THAT THEY BASICALLY LOOKING AT IT AND SAYING, WELL, ECONOMICALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. YEAH. BUT ONE, A ONE DATA POINT IS NOT A, IS NOT, WE KNOW THAT. I ASK IN THE PAST. OKAY, MR. CHAIR, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN EXPRESS STAFF'S PERSONAL EXPERIENCE TALKING TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE ABOUT THIS PROPERTY FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS. I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT BECAUSE THAT'S, I I KIND OF THINK THAT THAT'S, UM, A REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, UH, ISSUE THAT WE, WE RUN ACROSS A LOT AND, AND MAYBE WE, YEAH, MAYBE, I DUNNO IF HE'S COMING BACK. DID NOTHING REPORTED? WELL, WE TRIED THE NUMBERS JUST DIDN'T FIGURE, UH, AND, AND, OKAY, PERFECT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. THANK YOU. UH, DEBBIE, DID YOU YEAH. SO SINCE BASICALLY 2014, 2015, I'VE SPOKEN WITH, UM, AND I THINK THE PROPERTY HAS CHANGED HANDS A FEW TIMES DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, UM, TO SEVERAL PEOPLE. UM, AT ONE POINT WE DID HAVE A PROJECT THAT WAS SUBMITTED VERY SIMILAR. IT HAD THE REQUEST TO REMOVE THE RESTRICTION AND TO DO A NEW BUILDING. THE, THAT PROJECT NEVER MOVED FORWARD. UM, I THINK THE APPLICANT SOLD THE PROPERTY AND, AND DIDN'T WANT TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. UM, THEN I'VE, I'VE ACTUALLY SPOKEN WITH AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE LOOKING TO PURCHASE THE LOT, NOT REMOVING THE RESTRICTION. UM, THEY WERE LOOKING AT DEVELOPING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME HERE, UM, THAT THOSE PROJECTS DID NOT MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T JUSTIFY THE PRICE, UH, THE SALE SALES PRICE, UM, FOR THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE BEEN VERY HOPEFUL THAT SOMETHING WAS GONNA HAPPEN HERE. AND WE, I'VE PROBABLY TALKED TO A DOZEN PEOPLE, UM, OVER THE YEARS AND I CERTAINLY HAVE EMAILS FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE MM-HMM . UM, THAT IT JUST, NOTHING, EVERYTHING HAD FELL THROUGH. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONCERNS FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE OTHER THAN THE TWO THAT WERE LOOKING AT THIS FIRST SINGLE FAMILY HOME PROPERTY WAS THAT THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, MAKE ANYTHING WORK IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS THEY WOULD NEED WITH THE, WITH THE RESTRICTION. MM-HMM . OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. OKAY. UM, NOW WITH THAT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'LL HAVE, UM, ANY BOARD MEMBER COMMENT THAT WE'D LIKE, THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE. UM, RANDY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? NO. RAY GOING UP THE LINE? NONE. NO. HASKELL. HASKELL? NOTHING. MITCH. OKAY. ELIZABETH? UM, NO. OKAY. LINDSEY, I, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN BEFORE A COUPLE OF TIMES, SO I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE EFFORTS FOR WORKING ON THIS AND WORKING THROUGH A LOT OF THE COMMENTARY THAT WE'VE PROVIDED IN THE PAST. MM-HMM . NO, I'D SAY THE SAME THING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR, UM, THE PRESENTATION AND, UH, ALL YOUR WORK WITH STAFF. IT HAS, IT HAS REALLY COME A LONG WAY. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO WITH THAT, UM, CAN I GET A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AS PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. DO I SECOND, [02:55:02] SO THE, THE CANOPY DEPTH, IS THAT THE WORK WITH, UH, STAFF TO OKAY, THAT'S A, THAT'S AN AMENDMENT OR SO DO RECOMMENDATION, I APOLOGIZE. NO, THAT'S OKAY. I DIDN'T CUT YOU OFF. SURE. IF IT WAS ALREADY PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION. IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH BEING MORE FLEXIBLE THEN STAFF'S CONDITION, WE COULD, WE COULD MODIFY CONDITION A TO SAY THAT THE OVERHANG SHALL NOT PROJECT MORE THAN THREE FEET INTO THE REQUIRED SETBACK AND SHALL BE FURTHER DEVELOPED WITH STAFF. SURE. WE ACCEPT, UM, YEAH, WE DO HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS MM-HMM . UM, ONE IS TO MODIFY THE AFTER THE FACT DEMOLITION. AND THE OTHER IS THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. I WOULD RECOMMEND DOING THE MODIFICATION. YES. FIRST. OKAY. OKAY. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO MODIFY THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL CONDITION. OKAY. AND THAT, JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT'S HPB 25 0 6 4 7. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. LET ME CALL THE ROLE. MR. MEYER? YES. MR. HOLLINGWORTH? YES. MR. BRESLIN? YES. MS. LOVELL? YES. MS. CAR. MARGO? YES. UM, WHO DID I, MR. NOVIK? YES. MR. STEWART? YES. OKAY. THAT PASSES. AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS? YES. WITH THE MODIFIED CONDITION. A TO WORK WITH NO MORE THAN THREE FEET. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? SECOND. OKAY. I'LL CALL THE ROLE. MS. LOVELL? YES. MR. HOLLINGWORTH? YES. MR. MEYER? YES. UM, MS. CAR MARGO? YES. MR. BRESLIN? YES. UH, MR. NOVIK? YES. MR. STEWART? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. OKAY, MR. CHAIR, WE DID HAVE OUR LUNCH DELIVERED. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE A BRIEF BREAK? SO WHEN DO WE, QUARTER AFTER. OKAY. WE'LL BE BACK AT, UH, 1215. UM, AND RESTART THE MEETING. OKAY. WELCOME BACK EVERYONE, UM, TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING AT, OF JULY 8TH. UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA MOVE RIGHT INTO OUR NEXT APPLICATION, WHICH IS [7. HPB25-0651, 7305 Collins Avenue. ] HPB 25 0 6 5 1 73 0 5 COLLINS AVENUE. AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE INTRODUCTION OF A NEW SHADE STRUCTURE, AN OUTDOOR BAR, COUNTER IN A MURAL, AND A VARIANCE TO EXCEED THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR AN OUTDOOR BAR COUNTER. UM, THE APPLICANT, THE CURRENT APPLICANT IS A RESTAURANT OPERATOR, AND THEY ARE REQUESTING AN AFTER THE FACT APPROVAL, UH, FOR SEVERAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY FRONTING ON 73RD STREET, UH, AS WELL AS THE VARIANCE FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THEIR OUTDOOR BAR COUNTER. UH, PRIOR TO THE MOST RECENT MODIFICATIONS, THE OUTDOOR AREAS DID FUNCTION AS PART OF THE RESTAURANT AND CAFE, UH, OPERATIONS THAT ARE ONGOING AT THIS PROPERTY. UM, THE MOST NOTABLE CHANGE, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE ON THE PHOTOGRAPHS, THE ONE, ONE GOOD THING ABOUT AFTER THE FACT APPLICATIONS IS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT HAS BEEN DONE AND WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR. AND, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY A CHEEKY STYLE STRUCTURE. UM, WE, WE INITIALLY MET WITH THE APPLICANT WHO, UH, ADVISED US THAT THEY HAD REACHED OUT TO THE, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE MIZUKI TRIBE, UM, WHO DO HAVE SPECIAL CONSIDERATION UNDER THE BUILDING CODE IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO CONSTRUCT THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES, UM, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THEIR CERTIFICATIONS WITHOUT REQUIRED BUILDING PERMITS. SO THE OWNER ADVISED US, OR THE, THE TENANT ADVISED US THAT THEY WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION DUE TO THIS EXEMPTION FROM THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, UM, THAT THEY DID NOT NEED TO GO THROUGH ZONING REVIEW PROCESS OR, UM, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT PROCESS. UM, AFTER ADDITIONAL EXPLORATION OF THE STRUCTURE, WE REALIZED THAT IT DOES INDEED HAVE ELECTRICITY AND PLUMBING AS PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS. UM, THAT DOES TRIGGER A BUILDING, UH, PERMIT REQUIREMENT. SO THEY ARE, THEY SUBMIT IT FOR A BUILDING PERMIT. UM, REGARDLESS OF THE STANDING OF THE, UM, NATIVE, UH, AMERICAN TRIBES TO CONSTRUCT THESE THINGS, THEY DO STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ZONING [03:00:01] REGULATIONS, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, BOARD REVIEW, DESIGN REVIEW. SO, UM, THAT'S WHY THEY ARE BEFORE YOU TODAY, UM, PRIMARILY FOR THIS CHEEKY, UH, STYLE STRUCTURE. ADDITIONALLY, SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE, UM, TO THE EXTERIOR, INCLUDING WOOD CLADDING ON THE BUILDING WALLS, THE INTRODUCTION OF A MURAL, ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, INCLUDING FANS AND LIGHTING. UH, FURTHER TELEVISIONS AND SPEAKERS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED. UM, STAFF WOULD NOTE THAT THE CURRENT PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL, SO ALL OF THESE DEVICES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO, TO PLAY AT LEVELS THAT DO NOT EXCEED AMBIENT, UH, CONVERSATION LEVEL. UH, FINALLY, THE APPLICANT INSTALLED AN OUTDOOR BAR COUNTER WITHIN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE DINING AREA. UM, THE DEV, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS REQUIRE THAT THE, UM, THAT THERE NOT BE VISIBILITY FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY TO THE BAR COUNTER, UM, THAT IS A ZONING REQUIREMENT. SO, UM, AS PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION, WE ARE ASKING THAT ADDITIONAL SCREENING BE ADDED BECAUSE CURRENTLY I BELIEVE IT IS VISIBLE. UM, STAFF HAS NO MAJOR OBJECTIONS TO THIS. IT IS SOMEWHAT OF A, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT TEMPORARY IN NATURE OF THESE TYPES OF STRUCTURES. IT IS A OPERATING BUSINESS. THEY HAVE, UM, SEEN A SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE OCEAN TERRACE PARK. UM, A LOT OF THESE STREETS HAVE BEEN CLOSED OFF. UM, TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, THE RESTAURANT IS IN GOOD STANDING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WITH THE CITY. UM, AND WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THESE STRUCTURES ARE GONNA HAVE A SIGNIFICANT, HAVE A ADVERSE IMPACT. I MEAN, THEY HAVE BEEN UP THERE QUITE SOME TIME. UM, FINALLY, WE DID HAVE, UM, SOME RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, UH, SPECIFIC TO SPEAKERS AND TELEVISIONS AND WHERE THEY'RE APPROPRIATE TO BE PLACED. UM, WE DON'T WANT THEM FACING OUT TOWARD THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT THEY SHOULD BE FACING INTERNAL, UM, TO REDUCE, UH, SOUND IMPACTS ON THE RIGHT OF WAY AND, UM, VISIBILITY ISSUES. SO WITH THAT, UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE VARIANCE THEY'RE REQUESTING IS TO EX EXCEED THE ALLOWABLE HOURS FOR THE ACCESSORY OUTDOOR BAR COUNTER UNTIL 12:00 AM UM, THROUGH, UH, SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND 1:00 AM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. THE ALLOWABLE HOURS FOR AN OUTDOOR BAR COUNTER ARE, UM, IF YOU ARE ADJACENT TO A PROPERTY WITH RESIDENTIAL UNITS IS 8:00 PM SO THE, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS REQUIRE THAT OUTDOOR BAR COUNTER NOT SERVICE FROM THE INSIDE, BUT THE COUNTER ITSELF TO BE CLOSED AT 8:00 PM IN THIS INSTANCE, THEY ARE IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST. THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, SO THEY ARE REQUIRED TO CLOSE BY 8:00 PM EVERY NIGHT. UM, HOWEVER, THEY ARE ASKING FOR VARIANCE TO EXCEED THAT. UM, THOSE HOURS, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE TO 12:00 AM MIDNIGHT, UH, SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND 1:00 AM SATURDAY. AND FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, UM, STAFF, UH, HAS EVALUATED THEIR REQUEST. WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ANY, UH, HARDSHIP OR PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY TO WARRANT GRANTING THE REQUEST AS THEY'RE STILL ABLE TO SERVE PATRONS ALCOHOL PAST 8:00 PM JUST NOT FROM THE OUTDOOR BAR COUNTER. UM, THEREFORE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THIS PARTICULAR VARIANCE BE DENIED, UM, DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO DETERMINE ANY HARDSHIPS. UM, AGAIN, THE RESTAURANT ITSELF WOULD NOT NEED TO, CLOSE SERVICE WOULD NOT NEED TO END. IT WOULD JUST BE THE OUTDOOR BAR FACILITY. SO WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DEBBIE? YES. UH, YOU REFERENCE SPEAKERS AND TELEVISIONS, UH, WOULD, ARE THOSE REQUIRED TO BE TURNED OFF AT 8:00 PM AS WELL ON THE EXTERIOR? NO. THEY ARE REQUIRED CURRENTLY WITHOUT A A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE PROPERTY, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE PLAYED AT AMBIENT LEVELS ONLY, NOT TO EXCEED A NORMAL CONVERSATION VOLUME. AND HAVE THEY RECEIVED ANY VIOLATIONS FOR NOISE? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, NO. OKAY. OKAY. YEP. READY? I'VE EATEN AT THIS RESTAURANT SEVERAL TIMES. ANYTIME I GO TO THE BAND SHELL, I GO TO THIS RESTAURANT. IT'S VERY WELL RUN. THE SERVICE IS GREAT. THE FOOD IS GREAT, AND THE PRICING IS AMAZING. AND I'VE EATEN OUT IN THIS AREA, NOT REALIZING IT WASN'T [03:05:01] LEGAL AT THE, AT THE TIME, . AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S QUIET. IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT OBJECTIONABLE. AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RESIDENT, UH, TO THE EAST, I BELIEVE THAT'S A, UM, A HO CONDO HOTEL. SO IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S ACTUALLY 100% RESIDENCE, AND I DON'T, I, I NEVER SAW ANY NOISE GOING OUT BEYOND THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE OFFENSIVE TO ANYONE. AND, AND THE BAR INSIDE, UM, ACTUALLY, PEOPLE SIT AT THAT BAR AND EAT WHEN THEY COME BY THEMSELVES. IT'S NOT REALLY A BAR THAT YOU'RE GONNA GO THERE AND, AND, AND DRINK IT. IT, IT'S REALLY JUST A, A, A COUNTER, UM, FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY EAT WHILE THEY'RE DRINKING. AND I DON'T, I DON'T, I REALLY DON'T FIND, UH, A PROBLEM WITH THAT VARIANCE. OKAY. THANK YOU, RAY. SO NOW PLEASE WELCOME AND, UM, THANK, THANK YOU, UH, CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MY NAME IS IAN PACHEKO WITH AKERMAN LAW OFFICE, 98 SOUTHEAST SEVENTH STREET, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE BUSINESS OWNER. UM, AND THANK YOU, DEBBIE, FOR THE, UH, EXPLANATION AND, UH, OF EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED WITH MY CLIENT. UM, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, MY CLIENT DID THIS ENTIRE APPLICATION HIMSELF. HE WENT INTO THE CITY. HE MET WITH DEBBIE. DEBBIE GAVE HIM A SAMPLE APPLICATION THAT WAS DONE FOR SUSHI BEACHY, WHICH IS IN THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE SAN PAI CONDO, WHICH IS THE CONDO THAT'S CAUSING THE 8:00 PM LIMIT ON THE OUTDOOR BAR COUNTER. THEY APPLIED FOR THESE EXACT SAME HOURS. THAT'S WHERE HE GOT THE IDEA FOR IT. AND SO THERE'S PRECEDENT THERE. IT WAS APPROVED FOR THEM. UH, AND WE'RE SEEKING SIMPLY THE SAME HOURS THAT THEY HAVE DEALING WITH THE SAME NEIGHBORS THAT WE HAVE JUST FROM THE OTHER SIDE. UM, THERE WAS MENTION OF TELEVISIONS AND SPEAKERS. THOSE TELEVISIONS ARE KEPT VOLUME OFF. IT'S TWO TVS BEHIND THE BAR COUNTER. UM, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE SPEAKERS, THEY DON'T EVEN USE THEM. IF THEY DO, THEY KEEP IT LOW VOLUME. WE'RE NOT SEEKING ANY SORT OF CUP OR ANY ENTERTAINMENT. THIS IS A BONAFIDE CUBAN RESTAURANT. IT'S BELOVED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD. PART OF OUR APPLICATION INCLUDED A PETITION THAT WAS SIGNED BY 92, UH, MIAMI BEACH PRESIDENTS, INCLUDING SEVERAL FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. UM, AND, UM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT BAR COUNTER AT SUSHI BEACHY IS MUCH LARGER THAN OUR BAR COUNTER, WHICH ONLY HAS FOUR SEATS ON IT, AND IT'S BEEN THERE BEING USED AS, UM, A, A SERVICE COUNTER BEFORE THEY STARTED SEATING PEOPLE THERE, UH, WHICH HAS STOPPED WHILE WE'RE PENDING GETTING THIS APPROVAL. UM, AND, UH, SO WE DID GET OUR BTR WITH THAT COUNTER THERE, BUT NOT AS A BAR COUNTER AS A, AS LIKE A, AS LIKE A SERVICE AREA WHERE THEY'RE WRAPPING, UH, UH, UTENSILS AND, AND KEEPING THE DISHES, UH, FOR, FOR THE SERVICE OUTSIDE. UM, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THEM, AND IT IS A HARDSHIP TO BE ABLE TO GET THESE EXTENDED HOURS IN THAT VARIANCE BECAUSE, UM, THAT BAR COUNTER WOULD BE USED TO, TO MAKE DRINKS FOR THE SERVICE TO THAT OUTDOOR AREA TO HAVE AFTER 8:00 PM TO LOSE FOUR SEATS AND TO LOSE THE ABILITY TO USE THAT BAR TO MAKE THE DRINKS FOR THE OUTSIDE AREA. HAVING TO BRING THEM FROM INSIDE DOES CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF AN OPERATIONAL HARDSHIP FOR THE RESTAURANT. SO EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS. AND THAT'S REALLY THE REASON FOR THAT REQUEST. AS FOR THE, THE CHICKY HUT, UH, AS DEBBIE EXPLAINED, UM, IT, IT WAS MANUFACTURED AND INSTALLED BY, UH, MIKASUKI, NATIVE AMERICAN ARTISAN, THAT THOSE CHICKY HUTS ARE EXEMPT FROM BUILDING CODE. UH, MY CLIENT WAS UNAWARE THAT IT STILL NEEDED A PERMIT FOR ZONING APPROVAL FOR HPV APPROVAL, BUT IMMEDIATELY WHEN HE GOT THAT VIOLATION AND FOUND OUT HE APPLIED FOR IT, THE PERMIT IS IN PROCESS. IT'S BEING HELD UP BY THE NEED FOR AN HPB APPROVAL. AT THIS TIME. WE'RE AGREEABLE WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR THAT CHICKY HUT. AND, UM, I, I PREPARED A PRESENTATION, UM, IF WE CAN SWITCH OVER TO IT. THANK YOU. UM, UH, FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, IT'S UP IN NORTH BEACH. IT'S IN THE OCEAN TERRACE BLOCK ON, ON 73RD STREET ON THE, ON THE HARDING AVENUE CORNER OF 73RD, IMMEDIATELY ACROSS FROM THE BAND SHELL. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE BANDSHELL HAS CONCERTS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT THAT GO TO THE SAME HOURS THAT WE'RE SEEKING. THAT'S WHERE THE LOUD NOISE COMES FROM IN THAT AREA. NOBODY COMPLAINS ABOUT THAT EITHER. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT SEEKING TO MAKE ANY SORT OF NOISE AT ALL. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HAVING FOUR SEATS WHERE PEOPLE CAN SIT AND EAT AFTER 8:00 PM OTHERWISE THEY LOSE THAT SPACE IN THAT BUSINESS, WHICH WOULD BE UNFORTUNATE. HERE'S SOME PICTURES, UM, OF EXACTLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY, UH, ALONG THE WALL, UM, IS THAT MURAL THAT WAS REFERENCED, UM, THE BAR COUNTER, UM, UH, AS IT WAS BEING USED AT [03:10:01] THE TIME? UM, JUST, I HONESTLY, I THINK IT CAME OUT BEAUTIFULLY. UM, IT, IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, JUST AS STAFF MENTIONED, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO IT, AND IT'S GREAT THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT YOU ARE APPROVING, UH, SHOULD YOU APPROVE IT. UM, IT IS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE. THE STRUCTURE ITSELF HAS NOT BEEN MODIFIED AT ALL. HERE'S, UH, A HISTORIC POSTCARD OF THE RESTAURANT. IT USED TO BE, UH, PARHAM'S, UH, GOSH, 70 YEARS AGO, . UM, THE, HERE'S THE, THE SITE PLAN ITSELF. THAT BROWN AREA IS THE OUTDOOR AREA. UH, THE BUILDING IMMEDIATELY TO THE RIGHT IS, UH, OF EVENT ANITA. IT'S FOR SELLING CUBAN COFFEE, JUST RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WALK UP AND NOT ACTUALLY GO INTO THE RESTAURANT. UM, HERE'S THE EXISTING FLOOR PLAN. UM, AGAIN, THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA IS A, A MAJOR PART OF THE RESTAURANT SEATING. UM, THE ELEVATION CURRENTLY FROM THE SOUTH AND THE WEST. UM, SO THAT OUTDOOR SEATING AREA DOES HAVE LIKE A CONCRETE WALL. IT'S SHORT WITH THE, THE METAL GRATES ABOVE IT. AND, UH, THERE WAS LANDSCAPING THERE PREVIOUSLY. THEY ADDED SOME TABLES ON, ON THE OUTSIDE PORTION OF THAT WALL. UH, BUT ABSOLUTELY NO ISSUE ADDING THE SCREENING TO MAKE SURE WE MEET CODE SO THAT BAR COUNTER ISN'T VISIBLE. UM, HERE IT IS WITH THE, THE CHICKY HUT. THEY'RE SHOWING, UH, HOW IT TURNED OUT AFTER THE FACT. UM, AND JUST SO YOU CAN KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF SEEING THAT SECTION THERE OF, OF, UH, THE ELEVATION, HOW IT LOOKS WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE, THE WALL IN THE FRONT AND LOOKING STRAIGHT AT THE BAR COUNTER FROM, UH, EAST TO WEST. AND HERE'S THE SEATING LAYOUT SHOWING, UH, WITH THE BAR COUNTER AND TABLES AND CHAIRS, UH, INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR, UM, AS IT'S APPROVED UNDER EXISTING BTR. UM, SOME SAMPLE FINISHES THERE ADDED AS WELL. JUST AGAIN, YOU SAW THE PICTURES. , UM, THE LIGHTING THERE IS ELECTRICAL FOR THE LIGHTING UNDER THE TIKI TIKI HUT, WHICH IS PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT THAT'S IN PROCESS. UM, JUST A SECTION OF THE OUTDOOR BAR COUNTER. UM, THEY HAVE A COFFEE MACHINE THERE, A GLASS WASHER, AND THEN IF THEY CAN USE IT FOR ALCOHOL SERVICE, THE ALCOHOL WOULD BE IN THE BACK BENEATH THE, THE TVS THAT ARE INSTALLED ALONG THE WALL. UM, AGAIN, THE WALL SHOWS WHERE THE TVS ARE, JUST TWO TVS. THEY PLAY WITH NO VOLUME ON, UM, A SECTION OF THE CANOPY AREA FROM ABOVE. UM, THE FLOORING, WHICH HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED, IT'S A TILE FLOOR IN THE PATIO AREA. AND, UH, JUST, UH, FOR REFERENCE ELEVATION OF THE FENCE THAT CURRENTLY PARTIALLY BLOCKS THE VIEW, UH, OF THE OUTDOOR DINING AREA, UM, WITH, UM, SOME LANDSCAPING INTO THE METAL AREA WOULD PROBABLY COMPLETELY BLOCK OUT THE VIEW OF THE BAR, UM, BUT WILL WORK THROUGH THAT WITH STAFF IF THIS IS APPROVED. AND, UM, THAT'S IT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. ARE THERE ANY BOARD, UH, MEMBER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ABOUT EITHER THE, UM, I HAVE AN OBSERVATION, THIS BUILDING, PLEASE GO FOR IT. IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1948 BY ARCHITECT CARLOS SHELL, WHO WE DEALT WITH, UH, ON OUR FIRST ITEM. UH, UH, A SIMILAR STRUCTURE OR ORANO, ANOTHER STRUCTURE BY THE SAME ARCHITECT, UH, BUILT 10 YEARS PRIOR. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. THANKS. I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT ALL WEEKEND. THAT WAS A GREAT, GREAT RESPONSE. UM, ANY, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A, ANY YES, LINDSAY? UM, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, ONE, CAN, UH, IS THERE ACCESS TO THIS OUTDOOR SEATING AREA FROM THE SIDEWALK, OR IS IT YOU GO THROUGH THE RESTAURANT TO GET THERE? UM, YOU, YOU HAVE ACCESS. THERE'S, THERE'S A GATE TO WHERE YOU CAN WALK IN THAT WAY, BUT THE HOSTESS STAND IS IN THE INTERIOR, SO PEOPLE WILL WALK INTO THE INTERIOR, TO THE HOSTESS STAND, AND THEN BE WALKED THROUGH THE RESTAURANT TO THE OUTSIDE TO BE SEATED. OKAY. THERE'S NO HOSTESS ON THE EXTERIOR. OKAY. BUT IT'S OPEN, LIKE IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO WALK IN, THEY, THEY COULD WALK THROUGH THE GATE? YES. OKAY. AND CAN YOU, ON YOUR PRESENTATION, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PHOTOS OF THE INTERIOR AND THEY MAY BE IN OUR PACKET, I'M SORRY, . AND SO THERE IS IT, I THINK YOU SAID FOUR SEATS AT THE BAR TOP, IS THAT RIGHT? LOOKS LIKE MORE THAN THAT. YEAH, I THINK THERE'S SIX SHOWING THERE ON OUR PLAN. UM, ON THE FLOOR PLAN, WE HAVE FOUR, ACTUALLY FOUR SEATS THERE ON THE PLAN. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN APPROXIMATELY. AND THEN, AND THAT'S OKAY. PERFECT. AND [03:15:01] THEN APPROXIMATELY THREE, HOW MANY OTHER SEATING, HOW, HOW MUCH OTHER SEATING IS THERE IN THE 2, 4, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 20 PLUS THE BAR SEATS? DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT ON, ON THE EXTERIOR? YEAH, I BELIEVE IN TOTAL, YEAH, JUST THE EXTERIOR. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA. YEAH, I THINK IT'S ABOUT 61 SEATS IN TOTAL, CURRENTLY LICENSED FOR THE RESTAURANT. OKAY. SO 20 EXTERIOR AND ANOTHER 40 INSIDE. GIVE OR TAKE. GIVE OR TAKE. OKAY. AND WHILE YOU HAVE THAT PLAN UP, CAN YOU JUST, CAN YOU POINT OUT WHERE THE INTERIOR BAR IS THAT WOULD SERVE THERE ON THE PLAN? YOU CAN USE THE CURSOR TO, UH, YEAH. SO THERE, THERE ISN'T ACTUALLY AN INTERIOR BAR. IT'S A SERVICE BAR, SO THEY GOT IT. THEY MAKE THE DRINKS AND THERE'S, UH, THERE'S A COUNTER WHERE THEY WOULD SERVE 'EM ACROSS, BUT THERE'S NO BAR SEATING ON THE INTERIOR. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR VERY LAST SLIDE WHERE YOU SHOWED THE, THE WALL. OH, THE WALL. YEAH. AND THERE IS NO HEIGHT ON THAT WALL. AND I THINK SINCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SCREENING, IF YOU COULD TELL AS HOW HIGH IS THE WALL AND THE FENCE? THE PICK FENCE ABOVE THE WALL, I THINK WAS YOUR LAST SLIDE. THAT, THAT ONE? YEAH. UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW HIGH THE FENCE IS. LET ME SEE IF IT'S ON THE ELEVATION SLIDE. I APOLOGIZE. HERE WE ARE, UM, THREE FEET, SIX INCHES. UM, IS THE EXISTING WALL AND GRADE? IT'S, UM, IT'S HERE. OH, OKAY. I THINK IT'S, IT'S THREE FEET, SIX INCHES. OKAY. AND THEN I'M ASSUMING YOUR BAR COUNTER WOULD BE 42 INCHES HIGH AS WELL, RIGHT? UH, YES. YES. SO WE WOULD NEED SCREENING FURTHER TO COMPLETELY BLOCK THE BAR. THANKS RAY. DID YOU HAVE OKAY. I JUST, THAT, YOU KNOW, I NEVER KNEW THAT BACK AREA EXISTED. I USED TO GO TO THE RESTAURANT, EAT INSIDE, AND ONE TIME WE GOT THERE AND THEY SAID, OH, WE ONLY HAVE SEATS OUTSIDE. AND I FELT LIKE I WAS EATING IN SOMEBODY'S GARAGE, , AND THEN, AND IT'S IMPROVED SO MUCH OVER THE YEARS THAT NOW I ACTUALLY ASKED TO SEE OUTSIDE. SO I, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB, UH, MYSELF, AND, AND THIS IS BEFORE IT EVER CAME BEFORE ME. SO WHEN I SAW THIS WOW, , UM, AND, AND, AND IT, AS I SAID BEFORE, IT'S A VERY WELL RUN NEIGHBORHOOD RESTAURANT. I DON'T LOOK AT IT AS BEING A DESTINATION RESTAURANT. I MEAN, I GO THERE IF I'M GONNA GO TO, TO, UH, THE BAND BANDSHELL, BUT I WOULDN'T LIKE SAY, OH, LET'S, LET'S GO UP TO CONE'S FOR, FOR DINNER TONIGHT. UM, AND I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S WELL RUN AND, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOVES IT, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S EVER BEEN ANY, ANY, UH, UH, VIOLATIONS. SO I THINK IT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. I, I WOULD, I WOULD MENTION THE RESTAURANT TOUR. THE OWNER ALSO RUNS GEORGE'S RESTAURANT ON 71ST STREET, AS WELL AS THE BURGERS AND SHAKES RESTAURANT, JUST A BLOCK TO THE NORTH. MM-HMM. THAT'S, UH, A COUNTER SERVICE BURGERS AND SHAKES. YEAH. CAN I, UM, CAN I ASK YOU TO, UM, KIND OF DIVE A LITTLE DEEPER INTO YOUR, UM, UNDERSTANDING OF THE EX OF THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY AND HARDSHIP AND HOW YOU'RE MEETING THIS AND WHY EXACTLY BEACHY SUSHI BEACHY IS, UH, IS SOMETHING WE DON'T, SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT? LIKE HOW DID YES. YES. AND WHEN THEY GOT THEIR VARIANCE APPROVED AND YES. UM, THEIR, THEIR VARIANCE WAS ACTUALLY, UM, HANDLED BY MY PARTNER NIECE AND KANAN. UM, WHEN THEY APPLIED, UM, THEY, THEY ESSENTIALLY HAD THE SAME HARDSHIP AS US. IT'S A MATTER OF THE LOCATION, THE ABILITY TO HAVE SUFFICIENCY TO ACTUALLY DO SUFFICIENT BUSINESS. WHEN WAS THAT? UM, I WOULD DEFER TO DEBBIE ON THE EXACT DATES. IT LIKE FIVE, IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO. UM, PROBABLY IT WAS 2018. I WANNA SAY 2019. 2020. HMM. OKAY. 2020. 2020. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY'VE NEVER HAD ANY NOISE VIOLATIONS EITHER. UH, THEY'RE ALSO A CLIENT. UM, THE, THE HARDSHIP IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME. IT'S THE ABILITY TO DO SUFFICIENT BUSINESS TO MAKE IT IN THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON IN THE OCEAN TERRACE AREA. AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE NOT A NIGHTCLUB, THEY'RE NOT A TAVERN AND ENTERTAINMENT VENUE. THEY'RE JUST A, A BONAFIDE RESTAURANT TRYING TO MAKE IT. RIGHT. AND, UH, DEBBIE, JUST ON THAT TOPIC, UH, IS THE, IS THE, UM, THE REQ, THE REQUEST IS, UH, 12:00 AM UM, SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND 1:00 AM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. IS THAT, IS THAT A, UM, A, A COMMON VARIANCE REQUEST, LIKE THOSE HOURS? IT, IT IS THE SAME REQUEST AS SUSHI BEACHY. IT WAS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, [03:20:01] I THINK IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE MM-HMM . THOSE HOURS. UM, FOR CERTAIN, UM, IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVE THESE TECHNICAL CODE REQUIREMENTS AND, AND VARIANCE CRITERIA, WHICH ARE, ARE VERY STRICT IN TERMS OF HOW WE INTERPRET THEM AND, UH, MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. IT'S THE SAME RECOMMENDATION AS WE ISSUED FOR SUJI BEI. OKAY. IN TERMS OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS THE SAME IN THE BOARD OVER, OVER, CORRECT. GO AHEAD. HAS, YEAH. ARE YOU AWARE IF THERE IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A BOARD. . ARE YOU AWARE IF THERE HAS BEEN ANY VIOLATIONS FOR THE NEIGHBOR, UH, OPERATING NOISE FOR THE SHE PLACE? YEAH, I'M NOT, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY VIOLATIONS. OKAY. UM, AND I GUESS A QUESTION TO THE ATTORNEY, ANY RESIDENCE IN THE NEIGHBORING BUILDING OPPOSED TO THIS VARIANCE? UH, I'VE HEARD, I'VE HEARD NO OBJECTIONS. ONLY SUPPORT. OKAY, THANKS. SO IF A VARIANCE LIKE THAT IS APPROVED, IS THERE A LIMIT TIME OR IT'S ONCE APPROVED, IS APPROVED FOREVER, IT'S APPROVED, AND IF THEY GET VIOLATIONS, IS THERE, LIKE AFTER THREE YOU ARE OUT OR THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN VIOLATIONS AND THE, THE VARIANCE? UM, CURRENTLY THERE WOULD, IT WOULD, THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO, TO DEAL WITH THE VIOLATION THROUGH THE PROCESS, THROUGH CO COMPLIANCE PROCESS AND POTENTIALLY THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE PROCESS. UM, I THINK IN THE PAST, NICK, WE HAVE INCLUDED PROVISIONS WHERE, UM, THEY CAN, THEY WERE REQUIRED TO COME BACK AS A PROGRESS REPORT, UM, TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY VIOLATIONS AT WHICH TIME THE BOARD COULD AMEND THE VARIANCE. MM-HMM . UM, I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE TO ADD INTO THE, TO THE BOARD'S ORDER IF THEY WANTED TO. YEAH, THIS IS AN UNUSUAL SITUATION, ONE OF THE RARE SITUATIONS WHERE, UM, THE, THE BOARD GETS INTO AN OPERATIONAL ISSUE. UM, BUT, BUT DEBBIE IS CORRECT. WE HAVE, THE BOARD HAS INCLUDED CONDITIONS IN THE PAST REQUIRING A, UH, A PROGRESS REPORT AFTER, UH, A SET PERIOD OF TIME, WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU WOULD RECOMMEND. DEBBIE, UH, WE RAY WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING THEN, LINDSAY. OH, JUST ON THAT, WOULDN'T THAT NORMALLY BE THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD? YES, BUT I, I DON'T THINK THIS APPLICANT IS DOING ANYTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. OKAY. SO, UM, SO WHAT I WOULD SAY, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY A FAMILY ORIENTED RESTAURANT. THEY'RE NOT SELLING $48 COCKTAILS. UM, AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT THEY'VE BEEN RUNNING THESE HOURS RIGHT ALONG AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING. NOW THEY'RE COMING BACK BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SAY, OH, WE GOT A HAND SLAP, WE NEED TO GET OUR APPROVALS TO DO THIS. AND I DON'T SEE, UM, NOT ALLOWING THEM TO DO IT SINCE THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT AND THERE'S BEEN NO PROBLEMS. AND AS I SAID, IT'S A VERY NEIGHBORHOOD ORIENTED FAMILY RESTAURANT. SO YOUR CURRENT TOWERS, WAIT, LINDSAY, LINDSAY HAD A QUESTION THEN YOU, ELIZABETH. SO THIS IS LARGELY FOR NICK. UM, THE VARIANCE, SHOULD WE AGREE TO IT TIED TO THE PROPERTY OR TIED TO THE OPERATOR? BECAUSE YOU SAID IT'S OPERATIONAL, SO THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING. YEAH, I MEAN, GENERALLY IT IS TIED TO THE PRO VARIANCES ARE TIED TO THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. THIS ONE. SO WHAT ARE YOUR CURRENT POWERS OF OPERATION? SO I, I BELIEVE THE CURRENT HOURS, INCLUDING ALCOHOL SALES ARE UNTIL 2:00 AM PER THEIR EXISTING BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT. UH, IT'S JUST FROM THE BAR COUNTER. THAT'S WHAT THE VARIANCE IS NEEDED FOR, TO BE ABLE TO SERVE ALCOHOL OR TO EVEN UTILIZE THAT BAR COUNTER AT ALL AFTER 8:00 PM I UNDERSTAND. BUT SO CURRENTLY TWO, YOU UTILIZE THAT UNTIL 2:00 PM AM SORRY? YEAH, BASED ON DEMAND. SOME DAYS THEY CLOSE EARLIER, BUT THEIR LICENSE ALLOWS TILL 2:00 AM. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THOSE QUESTIONS. UM, ANY, UH, YEAH. OH, GO AHEAD. ANOTHER FOR THE APPLICANT, NOT NECESSARILY GO FOR IT. NOT NECESSARILY. WHEN I ARRIVED HERE IN THE LATE EIGHTIES, THERE WERE THESE CHEEKY STYLE STRUCTURES ALONG THE BEACH, AND I CAN VAGUELY REMEMBER ON TWO NIGHTS SEEING THEM ABLAZE, AND SHORTLY AFTER THAT THEY WERE ALL REMOVED. I'M WONDERING IF FIRE, UH, I GUESS THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT THIS. AND ARE, ARE THERE ANY CODE RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF WHICH MAY HINDER THIS? YES. SO, UM, STRUCTURE, THE CHICKY HUDSON ARE EXEMPT UNDER STATUTE FROM THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, BUT NOT FROM FIRE LIFE SAFETY ZONING. SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES [03:25:01] MAKE SURE IT'S FIRE RETARDANT AS PART OF ITS INSPECTIONS THE SAME AS THEY WOULD ANY OTHER VENUE ON THE BEACH. ARE THERE SPRINKLERS CURRENTLY IN THAT SPACE? ARE THERE, SORRY, FIRE, UH, SPRINKLERS. SPRINKLERS? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE SPRINKLERS, UM, THAT I, THAT I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SURE THAT SPRINKLERS WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT, BUT I, I DO BELIEVE THEY HAVE EXTINGUISHERS. HAVE THE WHAT? FIRE EXTINGUISHERS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. YEAH. IF, IF, UM, IF A SPRINKLER SYSTEM IS REQUIRED, THAT WOULD COME UP DURING THE BUILDING PERMITTING PROCESS, WHICH WE'RE IN, AND IF IT, IT WOULD BE BASED ON THE OCCUPANCY AND THE SIZE. YEAH. I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW TO MAKE THESE THINGS FIREPROOF OR TINDER, ESSENTIALLY. OKAY. OKAY. SO THANK YOU, UH, WITH THAT. UM, WE HAVE BOARD DISCLOSURES. WE'VE ALREADY HAD RAISED DISCLOSURES. NUMBER , I TRIED AND DREW PATRON. ANYBODY ELSE? NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, THEN, UH, PUBLIC HEARING, UM, UM, ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE PLEASE COME FORWARD. OKAY. SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT THEN. UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR FIRST LET'S DO THE, UM, FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF BROKENNESS, THE AFTER THE FACT CERTIFICATE OF NESS, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT AS, AS DONE . OKAY. AND, UH, I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT. ALRIGHT. OKAY. LET ME CALL THE ROLE. UM, MR. MEYER? YES. MS. CAR. MARGO? YES. MS. LOVELL? YES. MS. UM, MR. NOVIK? YES. MR. BRESLIN? YES. MR. STEWART? YEP. MR. HOLLINGWORTH? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, SO THAT WAS FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, RIGHT? SO NOW WE HAVE THE VARIANCE. THE VARIANCE. AND ON THE VARIANCE, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST INCLUDING A, A CONDITION THAT, UH, THAT REFERS TO THE H HP B'S AUTHORITY IN OUR CODE TO TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION IF THERE ARE VIOLATIONS OF THE VARIANCE. SO IF VIOLATIONS AROSE, WE COULD BRING, UH, THE APPLICANT BACK BEFORE YOU FOR A MODIFICATION OR REVOCATION. I, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE VARIANCE AND IF THERE'S ANY VIOLATIONS THAT COMES BACK TO US. BUT I'D ALSO ADD ONE MORE CAVEAT THAT IF THE, UM, MANAGEMENT WERE TO CHANGE, THEY NEED TO COME BACK TO US AS WELL. SO IF THERE'S A CHANGE, UH, MAYBE CHANGE OF THE OWNER OR OPERATOR, WE COULD, WE COULD, UH, WE COULD STATE. OKAY. I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY. LET ME CALL THE ROLE. MS. CAR MARGO? YES. MR. HOLLINGWORTH? YES. MS. LOVELL? YES. MR. NOVIK? YES. MR. BRESLIN? YES. MR. MEYER? YES. MR. STEWART? YEP. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. UM, LET ME SEE. WHERE'S THE AGENDA? [8. HPB25-0659, 3193 Royal Palm Avenue.] [9. HPB25-0655, 3193 Royal Palm Avenue.] THE NEXT TWO APPLICATIONS, UM, I'M GONNA READ THEM BOTH TOGETHER. THEY'RE FOR THE SAME PROPERTY. WE HAVE HPB 25 0 6 5 9. THIS IS 31 93 ROYAL PALM AVENUE. AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ATTACHED EDITION TO AN INDIVIDUALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC SINGLE FAMILY HOME, INCLUDING SETBACK VARIANCES. SECOND APPLICATION IS HPB 25 0 6 5 5. AGAIN, THIS IS FOR 31 93 ROYAL PALM AVENUE. AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION FOR A SINGLE FAMILY, A VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION FOR AN ADDITION TO A RENOVATED AND RESTORED INDIVIDUALLY SINGLE, INDIVIDUALLY DESIGNATED SINGLE FAMILY HOME. UM, THIS IS A, THIS IS A VERY GREAT, UH, I REALLY LOVE THIS APPLICATION. UM, THE PROPERTY, UH, WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1934 DESIGNED BY EL MURRAY DIXON. IT'S, IT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE SINGLE FAMILY HOME PROPERTIES IN THE CITY. UM, IT'S BEEN BEAUTIFULLY MAINTAINED, IT'S BEEN BEAUTIFULLY RESTORED. UM, THERE, THEY, I HAD THE PRIVILEGE RECENTLY TO MEET THE NEW OWNERS, UM, AUSTIN AND HIS WIFE ALEX. UM, THEY LOVE THE HOME AND THEY CAME TO ME BECAUSE THEY HAVE A VERY RECENT ADDITION TO THEIR FAMILY. UM, UH, ALEX JUST HAD A, A BABY GIRL WHO'S ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. UM, PROBABLY WHAT, TWO MONTHS NOW? YES. UM, [03:30:01] AND SO THEY CAME TO US TO TRY TO EXPLORE OPTIONS TO DO SMALL EXPANSIONS, UM, TO KEEP UP WITH THEIR GROWING FAMILY. UM, SO STAFF IS IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THESE EXTREMELY MODEST ADDITIONS. UM, THE, UM, THE ADDITIONS HAVE BEEN CITED IN A WAY WHICH ARE AWAY FROM THE PRIMARY FRONT OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY. IT IS ON A CORNER, SO IT HAS TWO STREET FRONTAGES, BUT THE LOCATION, UM, OF THE ADDITION ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOME, UM, WE THINK IS, IS AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION. PROBABLY THE MOST APPROPRIATE, UM, LOCATION. IT REQUIRES EXTREMELY LIMITED DEMOLITION, SO IT'S A VERY MINOR INTERVENTION. UM, HOWEVER, THE ADDITION OF THESE, UM, NEW, UM, EXPANDED AREAS OF THEIR HOME DO REQUIRE SOME SETBACK VARIANCES, WHICH AGAIN, ARE RELATIVELY MINOR. UM, THEY ARE ASKING TO REDUCE BY NINE FEET, SIX INCHES, THE MINIMUM REQUIRED FRONT SETBACK OF 20 FEET, UM, IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT AN ATTACHED ONE STORY ADDITION AT 10 AND A HALF FEET FROM THE WEST PROPERTY LINE. SECOND VARIANCE IS TO, UH, REDUCE BY 11, APPROXIMATELY 11 AND A HALF INCHES, SO LESS THAN A FOOT. THE MINIMUM REQUIRED INTERIOR SIDE SETBACK FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A, UM, ADDITION, UH, APPROXIMATELY FIVE FEET, SEVEN INCHES, UM, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, EXCUSE ME, FOUR, 4.7 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. UM, AGAIN, WE THINK THESE, THESE, UM, VARIANCES ARE VERY MINOR. THE, UH, CONDITION OF THE EXISTING HOME AND THE EXISTING HOME ON THE SITE WHERE IT'S LOCATION IS, AND THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE HOME REALLY DO CREATE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES FOR FINDING THE MOST APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THESE ADDITIONS. UM, AND STAFF DOES BELIEVE THAT THIS SATISFIES THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY AND HARDSHIP CRITERIA AND WE ARE HIGHLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION AND ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND VARIANCES. UM, THE SECOND APPLICATION, THE, UM, PROPERTY OWNER HAS FILED AN APPLICATION FOR THE ADOR TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM. THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS THIS PROGRAM LIMITED ONLY TO SINGLE FAMILY HOME PROPERTIES. SO ULTIMATELY THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION WILL IF, UH, WILL HEAR THIS APPLICATION AND WILL VOTE WHETHER TO APPROVE, UM, THE REQUEST OR NOT. BUT BASICALLY WHAT IT MEANS IS THE MIAMI-DADE COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER HAS AN ASSESSED BUILDING VALUE. CURRENTLY. AFTER THEIR ADDITIONS ARE CONSTRUCTED AND THE WORK IS COMPLETED, THE PROPERTY APPRAISAL WILL REASSESS THE PROPERTY AND WILL LIKELY INCREASE THE BUILDING VALUE BECAUSE THERE'S MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT INCREASE IN BUILDING VALUE COULD POTENTIALLY BE FROZEN ON THEIR TAXES. SO THEY WOULD NOT BE TAXED ON THE INCREASE IN BUILDING VALUE FOR A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS. AND THAT WOULD BE FROM THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH'S PORTION OF THE TAXES. MIAMI-DADE COUNTY HAS, THIS HAS A SIMILAR PROGRAM WHICH THIS PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE FOR. AND THEY HAVE GONE, GONE THROUGH THAT INITIAL PROCESS OF MEETING WITH, WITH THE COUNTY CHIEF OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE FILED AN APPLICATION WITH THE COUNTY, UM, FOR THE COUNTY'S PORTION OF THE TAXES. AGAIN, UM, THE ACTUAL SAVINGS, UM, IS, IS MINOR, UH, AND WE'RE HIGHLY SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THE, UH, AT FORUM TAX EXEMPTION FOR THIS PROPERTY AS WELL. AND WE RECOMMEND THAT THIS BOARD ISSUE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION. DEBORAH IS, IS THE EXEMPTION JUST FOR THE MIAMI BEACH PORTION, OR WOULD THAT ALSO ENCUMBER THE DADE COUNTY PORTION AS WELL? SO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION IS ONLY FOR THE MIAMI BEACH PORTION OF THE TAXES. THEY HAVE FILED CONCURRENTLY A SEPARATE APPLICATION WITH MIAMI-DADE COUNTY TO EXEMPT THE MIAMI-DADE COUNTY PORTION OF THE TAXES FOR THE INCREASE IN BUILDING VALUE. AND WHILE THERE ARE ALMOST THE IDENTICAL APPLICATIONS, THE COUNTY HAS TO APPROVE THE COUNTY'S PORTION. YEAH. THE CITY HAS TO APPROVE THE CITY'S PORTION. GOT IT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DEBBIE? WELL, THIS IS IN THE BAYSHORE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT WAS PART OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT IS NOT. IN 2010, THE PREVIOUS OWNER OF THE HOME, UH, DESIGNATED THEIR HOUSE AS AN INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC PROPERTY. THAT EXPLAINS IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE, I I ASSUME YOU'LL BE TALKING TO US? YES. OKAY, PERFECT. WELL, [03:35:01] WELCOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YES, MY NAME'S AUSTIN KREEN. IT'S MY WIFE, ALEX KREEN, UM, AND JAVIER, WHO'S OUR ARCHITECT, UM, WHO HELPED WITH THE BEAUTIFUL DRAWING THAT YOU'LL SEE. UM, THANK YOU DEBBIE. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU AND JAKE, IT'S BEEN REALLY A PLEASURE WORKING WITH THE BOTH OF YOU. SAD TO HEAR THROUGH THE CONVERSATION. YOU'LL BE MOVING ON SOON, . UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S AMAZING HAVING FOLKS LIKE YOU WORKING IN THE CITY AND AND SUPPORTING RESIDENTS. I'M BORN AND RAISED IN MIAMI, FLORIDA. I GREW UP IN CORAL GABLES. AND SO WHEN MY WIFE AND I MOVED BACK HERE FROM, UM, CALIFORNIA IN 2020, THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO PURCHASE A HOME IN THE CITY THAT I GREW UP IN, UM, WAS INCREDIBLY EXCITING. AND IT'S REALLY A PRIVILEGE TO OWN A HOME THAT I THINK IS, YOU KNOW, A PIECE OF ITS HISTORY. UH, MURRAY DIXON HAS BUILT OR WAS THE ARCHITECT THAT CONSTRUCTED SO MUCH OF COLLINS AVENUE, AND WHEN WE FOUND THE HOME ON THE MARKET, WE FELL IN LOVE IMMEDIATELY. UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF WHAT LIFE WOULD BE LIKE WHEN WE HAD CHILDREN. UM, THE HOME, AS IT SITS, ONLY HAS THREE BEDROOMS, UM, AND TWO BATHROOMS. UH, WE NOW, AS, AS DEBBIE MENTIONED, HAVE TWO CHILDREN, A 2-YEAR-OLD WHO TURNED TWO ON JULY 5TH ON SATURDAY, UM, AND A TWO MONTH OLD. UH, AND WE HOPE TO HAVE MORE CHILDREN. UM, AND SO, UH, GOD WILLING. UM, AND SO ULTIMATELY WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE VARIANCE TO BE ABLE TO EXTEND THE HOME TO ADD TWO MORE BEDROOMS AND TWO AND A HALF OR TWO BATHROOMS, UM, TO THE HOME. AND THEN SORT OF MAKE A LARGER AREA FOR THE LAUNDRY ROOM SLASH PANTRY TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYTHING. UM, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, UM, THE, THE WAY THAT WE'RE DOING THE ADDITION TO THE HOME IS IN THE EFFORT TO ONE, PRESERVE THE MOST SORT OF ARCHITECTURALLY AND, AND JUST THE VIEW, LIKE WHAT THE HOME LOOKS LIKE, RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY ADD TO THE SECOND FLOOR NOT REQUIRING VARIANCE, BUT THAT WOULD REALLY CHANGE THE ELEVATIONS IN, IN WHAT THE HOME LOOKS LIKE FROM THE OUTSIDE. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, NOT TO USE A BAD WORD, BUT IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE UGLIER THAN, THAN WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED. UM, AND, AND MORE INTRUSIVE ON THE, THE BEAUTIFUL DESIGN OF THE HOME. UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, JUST STRUCTURALLY WISE, LIKE WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WOULD END UP HAPPENING IF WE TRIED TO DO THAT TO THE HOME. UM, BECAUSE THE AREA WHERE IT WOULD BE DONE ACTUALLY WAS ORIGINALLY A GARAGE. UM, AND SO AS WE'VE HAD STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS LOOK AT IT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNCLEAR WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ONCE THEY NEEDED TO, TO REINFORCE THAT AND DO THAT ALL. UM, AND SO WE, WE CAME TO DEBBIE WITH THE QUESTION OF WOULD IT BE PO AND JAKE, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE IF WE COULD GET A VARIANCE TO EXTEND INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE AREA THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED CURRENTLY TO BUILD ON? UM, AND BECAUSE OF THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE HOME, THE FACT THAT IT IS A MURRAY DIXON HOME AND THIS WOULD THEN MAKE IT A NOW A FIVE BEDROOM HOME, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T PLAN TO BE HERE FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME. BUT I THINK THIS WOULD ALSO SUPPLANT IT AS A HOME THAT NO ONE WOULD EVER WANT TO SORT OF TEAR DOWN. UM, YOU KNOW, A FIVE BEDROOM HOME IN THIS AREA, UM, IS, IS SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY NEED IN, IN THIS DAY AND AGE WITH FAMILIES AND SUCH. AND SO, UM, I THINK THIS REALLY WOULD, WOULD PRESERVE IT FOR THE LONG RUN IF WE WERE EVER TO, TO NO LONGER BE THERE. BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY OUR PLAN. THAT'S WHY WE WANNA REALLY INVEST INTO BUILDING THIS OUT. UM, AND AND ULTIMATELY THE, THE WAY THAT WE'VE DESIGNED IT IS, IS SO IT HONORS THE, THE HOME OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE IT'S, HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE, BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SLIGHT DIFFERENCES IN TERMS OF THE, THE WAY THAT THE BAND GOES THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE TO DISTINGUISH THAT IT'S NOT OBVIOUSLY THE SAME IN AN ORIGINAL. UM, THE LAST THING I'D MENTION IS, IS SORT OF THE, THE BACKSIDE WHICH, WHICH DEBBIE WAS REFERRING TO, WHERE THAT'S THAT ADDITIONAL REQUEST. YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THE HOME ACTUALLY IS ALREADY, I, IT, THE WAY THE SURVEY IS, IT'S KIND OF OVER THE ALLOWABLE PROPERTY LINE, I GUESS IT WAS GRANDFATHERED IN. AND SO WE'RE SIMPLY JUST ADDING A LITTLE EXTRA TO THE BACK AND WE WANT TO MAKE IT ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING, UM, EXTERIOR WALL OF THE HOME VERSUS HAVING IT BE INDENTED BY LIKE A, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR INCHES. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY ALL THAT TOGETHER IS, IS OKAY. UH, WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME AND AND EFFORT HERE, AND IT'S GREAT TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, DO YOU HAVE A, IS THERE A, AN ARCHITECTURAL PRESENTATION? OH, YEAH. LIKE SLIDES TO TAKE US THROUGH? I DIDN'T , IT WAS MY FIRST TIME. I, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO ASK FOR IT TO COME BACK. OH, OKAY. BECAUSE MAYBE WITH THE POISON IT WAS HERE ON MY, MY SCREEN. I DIDN'T NOTICE IT WASN'T UP THERE. APOLOGIES. OH, IT WAS ON YOUR SCREEN. IT IS ON THIS THING. YEAH. YOU WERE CLICKING. OKAY. YEAH, IF YOU COULD JUST LIKE PARTICULARLY POINT OUT ME, I MEAN, YOU DID A GREAT JOB AT THE FIRST ROUND, SO I'M NOT, MAYBE NOT THE WHOLE THING. , MAYBE JUST POINT OUT THE, THE, THE ADDITIONS, THE, THE WAY YOU'RE CHANGING, MODIFYING THE EXISTING YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO IF YOU LOOK ON THIS IMAGE HERE, UM, TO YOUR GUYS' RIGHT OF THE, YOU CAN USE THE, YOU CAN USE THE CURSOR ON THE COMPUTER AND THERE YOU GO. YEAH. SO THIS IS THE ADDITION MM-HMM . UM, SO RIGHT NOW THE HOME ENDS RIGHT HERE. UM, AND SO THIS IS [03:40:01] THE ADDITION WHERE WE'LL BE ADDING TWO BEDROOMS. UM, AND SO YEAH, SO THIS IS, I THINK THIS IS HELPFUL. OH MAN. THE CLOSED CAPTIONINGS RIGHT IN THE WAY. UM, WHAT'S THAT? OH, PERFECT. OH YEAH. SO IF YOU LOOK RIGHT HERE OH, I SEE OVER THERE. YEAH. IF YOU LOOK RIGHT HERE MM-HMM . UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ADDITION. IT'S GONNA, YOU CAN, YOU CAN USE YOUR CURSOR. APOLOGIES. YEAH, JUST LOOK AT THE OTHER SCREEN. THENY LEARNING ON THE FLY HERE. PERFECT. UM, SO YEAH, SO IT'S GONNA BE TWO BEDROOMS, LIKE ONE BEDROOM RIGHT HERE, ONE BEDROOM RIGHT HERE. AND THIS WILL BE A BATHROOM THAT COMES IN THE BACK. UM, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THE, THE PLANTER THAT IS ON, ON THIS SIDE, SO IT'LL MATCH. UM, AND THEN THIS IS THAT AREA IN THE BACK WHERE, UM, WE'LL WE'LL BE ADDING THE EXTRA PANTRY SPACE. UM, AND SO THE, THE VARIANCE THERE IS JUST SO THAT IT CAN CONTINUE WITH THE EXISTING, UM, YOU KNOW, WALL OR PROP, YOU KNOW, BUILDING LINE. UM, THERE'S THE, THE SORT OF LAYOUT OF IT ALL. UM, CAN YOU GO BACK, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LAYOUT JUST FOR A SEC? YES. BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIND THAT, THAT PLAN IN MY SET. YEAH. THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAD SENT . OKAY. THAT'S, YEAH, WE, WE HAD SENT A TRUNCATED VERSION. THIS WAS THE ACTUAL FINAL SUBMITTAL THAT WE HAD MADE, WHICH IS, OH, THAT'S, I CAN LONGER PRESENTATION. UM, BUT IT, IT'S, WHAT WE HAD SENT WAS JUST MORE HIGH LEVEL. UM, BUT YEAH, THIS WAS PART OF THE FINAL SUBMISSION. GOT IT. THANK YOU. AND SO I THINK I CAN, YEAH, THERE WE GO. THERE'S THE SIDE VIEW THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. SO THIS IS THE FRONT AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THE SIDE VIEW OF IT. AND I CAN GO THROUGH ANYTHING ELSE IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. UH, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN PLEASE? THIS ONE? YES. OKAY. OKAY. ARE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THE OTHER YEAH. MINOR THING. IT'S NOT ACTUALLY REALLY PERMITTING, BUT I THINK IT'S COOL. UM, AND SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT WITH DEBBIE IS, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY, IN THE PREVIOUS RENOVATION, WHICH ADAM GREENBERG DID, WAS THE PREVIOUS OWNER WHO MADE A HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED, AND HE DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB. UM, AND HE LEFT SO MUCH OF THIS INFORMATION TO US, WHICH IS HOW WE EVEN KNEW ABOUT THE A VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION. 'CAUSE HE HAD LEFT THAT FOR US. UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY TAKING THIS SPACE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL FORM, WHICH HE HAD CONVERTED THIS INTO A BEDROOM. AND SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S A WALL HERE AND YOU ACCESS THROUGH HERE. UM, WE'RE GONNA BE RE-CLOSING THAT UP AND THEN OPENING IT UP TO THE DINING AND LIVING ROOM, UM, AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE BEFORE, WHICH WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT. GREAT. IS IT ON THE MIC? ARE THERE TERRAZZO FLOORS THROUGHOUT THE ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY WHY WE'RE DOING THAT. UM, IS THAT THE TERRAZZO, UNFORTUNATELY PRIOR TO ADAM, ONE OF THE OWNERS RIPPED OUT THE TERRAZZO STARTING RIGHT HERE, GOING THROUGH THE REST OF THE HOME, UM, WHICH HE REPLACED WITH A, A TERRAZZO LIKE, UM, SET OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TECHNICAL TERM IS, BUT THEY'RE LARGER THAN TILE. THEY'RE PRETTY BIG. UM, BUT GOING ALL THE WAY HERE, HERE AND THEN INTO THIS ROOM, IT'S THIS INCREDIBLE TERRAZZO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, THE MAIN REASONS WE WANTED TO PURCHASE THE HOME. AND SO NOW BY OPENING THIS UP, YOU'LL, YOU'LL GET TO ENJOY ALL OF THAT TERRAZZO IN ONE CONTIGUOUS SPACE AND THE FLOORING IN THE ADDITIONS. UH, SO WE PLAN FOR THE, THE HALLWAY AREA TO, TO HOPEFULLY CONTINUE THAT. AND THEN THE BEDROOMS WILL BE THE SAME. YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO, IT'S OUR, IT'S OUR ONE SPLURGE. A BIG SPLURGE. YEAH. YEAH. WE WANT TO CONTINUE. I GOTTA CHECK WITH MY WIFE. GOOD. UH, BUT YEAH, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE INTENTION IS TO, TO THE CAMERA IF YOU WANT. CAN YOU SEE US? THIS IS THE, THE TERRAZZO IN THE HOME. THAT'S THE EXISTING, THAT'S EXISTING. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. SO WE'VE FOUND A SPECIALIST WHO'S WORKED ON ALL OF THE HOTELS IN, IN SUCH AND MIAMI BEACH, WHO CAN HOPEFULLY REPLICATE IT IN THE NEW EDITION. UM, SO WE CAN CONTINUE IT. GREAT. NICE. OKAY. UM, RAY, AND THEN, SO YOU'RE ONLY, YOUR ONLY PARKING THEN IS, IS GONNA BE RIGHT THERE. WHERE ARE THE CONCRETE AREAS? THAT'S THE EXISTING ONLY PARKING, SO WEIRDLY, THAT'S CONSIDERED THE FRONT OF THE HOME. UM, EVEN THOUGH THE ENTRYWAY AND THE FRONT DOORWAY, EVERYTHING IS ON 34TH STREET. UM, SO YOU'RE NOT LOOKING TO ADD ANYTHING, NOT LOOKING TO ADD ANY PARKING. NO. IT'LL BE EXACTLY THE SAME. RANDY, DO YOU HAVE A PHOTO OF THE EXISTING HOUSE ON THE ENTRYWAY SIDE WITH THE CURVED [03:45:01] PIECE ON THE PLANTER? YES. IF YOU WANT TO. OKAY. SO THE PLANTER RUNS DOWN THAT WALL AS WELL. YEAH, SO THIS, THE, EXACTLY. AND SO IF YOU LOOK IN THE, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THAT IN THE NEW, BUT ON THE EXISTING WALL PAST THE CURVE, THE PLANTER RUNS DOWN THE WALL CONTINUES RUNNING DOWN THE WALL. I CAN SEE IN THE SMALL, IT'S HARD TO SEE IT STOPS. NOW IF YOU LOOK IN THIS IMAGE RIGHT HERE. OH, I SEE, OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. IT STOPS RIGHT THERE. AND SO THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE THE ADDITION IS, IS IS PRETTY MUCH STARTING. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. AND SO WE'LL, WE'LL BE MIMICKING THAT EXISTING PLANTER IN WITH THE ADDITION. OKAY. YOU HAVE MORE. THANK YOU. OKAY. OF COURSE. ANY OTHER, ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, GO AHEAD, MITCH. GO FOR IT. NO ONE ELSE. THE TWO, I GUESS ONE'S A MA, MAID'S, QUARTERS AND THE OTHER ONE A BEDROOM. THEY'RE SEPARATED BY A, IS THAT A POCKET DOOR? A POCKET DOOR? THE UM, THE WAY IT'S GONNA WORK IS YOU'RE GONNA COME INTO THIS LITTLE FOYER AREA. YEAH. AND IF YOU TURN LEFT, YOU'LL OPEN THE DOOR INTO THE, THE BEDROOM. NOW THAT, THAT'S A SLIDE, THAT'S A POCKET DOOR. IT WON'T BE A PO IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE TO BE A POCKET DOOR. YEAH, IT'S NOT A POCKET DOOR. OKAY. IT'S A REGULAR DOOR. LIKE SHOWING IS A, YEAH, SHOWING. WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE LIKE SLIGHT, LIKE A, LIKE LITTLE EDITS LIKE THAT. IT'S GONNA BE, YOU'D MAKE AN ARCHWAY, HAVE IT AN OPEN BEDROOM. . LOOKS LIKE IT, IT DOES LOOK. YEAH. IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE ONE, BUT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A REGULAR DOOR, AND THEN THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A REGULAR DOOR. GOT IT. YEAH. OKAY. UH, HUSKE. AND THEN, OH, I, I THINK THE ADDITION IS BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REGARDING THE WESTERN ELEVATION. THE CURRENT HOUSE HAS THIS OCTAGONAL, IF YOU WILL, WINDOW MM-HMM . BUT YOU'RE NOT SHOWING IT IN THE NEW RENDERINGS, RIGHT? NO. ON THE WESTERN ELEVATION, THERE'S, YEAH, WE ARE. IT'S, AND WHY, WHY AREN'T YOU REPLICATING THAT WINDOW? WOULD THAT NOT BE PART OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN? SO WE OH, PLEASE, PLEASE EITHER STEP TO THE MIC AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AGAIN. I'M IN CHARGE OF THE DESIGN . THERE YOU GO. OKAY. UM, SO WE LOVE THAT WINDOW AND THAT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE SADDEST THINGS WE WERE GETTING RID OF. BUT THE TRUTH IS LIKE, THAT'S GONNA BE OUR DAUGHTER'S ROOM AND SHE JUST NEEDS A DARK SPACE. AND SO THE CONCERN WAS IT'S GONNA GO, LIKE, IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT OVER HER BED. AND TO PUT LIKE A BLIND, IT WAS JUST GONNA LOOK AWKWARD. AND SO WE FELT LIKE WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO JUST PUT IN A REGULAR WINDOW FOR HER ROOM. BUT IF YOU, IN THE LIVING ROOM, WE STILL HAVE LIKE A REALLY COOL CIRCULAR WINDOW THERE. SO WE STILL FELT LIKE THE HOUSE STILL HAS THESE UNIQUE FEATURES ELSEWHERE. SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY TO GET RID OF THAT ONE. BUT TO YOUR POINT, IT'S A SAD WINDOW TO GET RID OF. I, I PASSED BY THAT HOUSE MANY TIMES, AND I SEE THAT WINDOW AND IT'S ALWAYS VERY STRIKING. IT'S A UNIQUE COMPONENT OF THE HOUSE. I KNOW ELEMENT OF THE HOUSE WE COULD DEFINITELY CONSIDER, WE WOULD BE OPEN TO CONSIDERING PUTTING IT BACK, BUT MAYBE JUST PUTTING IT IN THE OTHER ROOM IF WE, IF WE FELT LIKE WE HAD TO. BUT, UM, THE REASON WE GOT RID OF IT WAS REALLY JUST TO HAVE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BLINDS THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE AND WE WANT THE SAME BLINDS IN THE BEDROOM, AND YOU JUST COULDN'T DO IT WITH THAT SHAPE. I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. YOU, YOU MAY NOT BE OWNING THE HOUSE FOR THE NEXT, YOU MAY BE OWNING IT FOR MANY YEARS, HOPEFULLY GROW INTO IT, BUT THE NEXT OWNER, RIGHT. AND THE STATE OF THE HOUSE CURRENTLY, AND AS IT'S GONNA LOOK, SHOULD, SHOULD REMAIN THE SAME, IN MY OPINION. UH, ONE MORE QUESTION. UH, YOU'RE EXPANDING TO THE WEST. IF YOU DRIVE ALONG ROYAL PALM, MOST OF THE HOMES ARE REALLY SET BACK. THERE'S A TREMENDOUS RELIEF FOR THOSE HOMES FROM THE STREET. HOW FAR ARE YOU EXTENDING BEYOND THE EXISTING HOMES THAT ARE ON ROYAL PALM? I CAN'T, IT'S A, IT'S NINE FEET EXTENSION FOR US. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE EXTENSION OF THE OTHER HOMES. UM, I DID, WE DO HAVE A SUPPORT LETTER FROM OUR NEIGHBOR WHO IS THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR, WHERE LIKE, THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO US. THE ONE THAT'S LOOMING OVER YOU. YEAH, EXACTLY. THE BIG HOME. GREG DAVIS. UM, YOU MIGHT KNOW HIM. HE, HE'S A CONTRACTOR IN MIAMI BEACH. UM, AND HE, HE WROTE A SUPPORT LETTER, UM, FOR US. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT, IT INTERFERES WITH, WITH HIS HOME OR PROPERTY AT ALL. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, UL ULTIMATELY ALLOWS THE HOME TO, TO SORT OF, UM, REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS MAINTAINING THAT WINDOW IF POSSIBLE. IF IT DOESN'T COST A HARDSHIP FOR YOU, THAT ORTHOGONAL, IF YOU WILL, WINDOW ON THE WEST SIDE. [03:50:01] IF THERE'S A WAY TO INCORPORATE IT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. YEAH, WE CAN EXPLORE THAT. WE CAN DEFINITELY, WE, WE, WE LOVE THAT WINDOW TOO. UM, WE DO LOVE THAT WINDOW, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY EXPLORE THAT. 'CAUSE WE CAN PUT THAT THERE AND THEN REALISTICALLY THAT WILL TURN TO LIKE, NURSE CAN FIGURE OUT THAT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, LINDSAY, DO YOU HAVE, UH, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD QUESTION? I, NO, I WAS, I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT THE PLANS AND WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE TO REPLACE THAT GON OCTA OCTAGONAL WINDOW WHERE IT WOULD FALL. UM, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW IT'S KIND OF SET, UM, IN LINE WITH THE HALLWAY THAT KIND OF RUNS THROUGH. AND SO IF YOU LOOK DOWN THAT HALLWAY, YOU SEE RIGHT OUT MM-HMM . THE AL WINDOW. UM, I, I TOTALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE GOT YOUNG KIDS AND YOU WANNA KEEP THAT DARK FOR NOW, BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE LATER ON SHE SHE'LL LIKE HER OCTAGONAL WINDOW , SO I, UM, YOU KNOW, SHE'D BE LIKE, CHECK ON MY COOL WINDOW, GUYS. . YEAH. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO INCORPORATE IT AND YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO DO THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD, I I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT TOO, JUST TO KIND OF REPLICATE IT. BUT THAT'S, UM, BUT I, I THINK, I MEAN, THIS IS, I'M, I'M WITH DEBBIE, THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE HOUSES, UM, ON THE BEACH. I ACTUALLY LIVE IN A EL MARIE DIXON BUILDING AS BUILDING AS WELL, SO OH, AMAZING. YEAH. YEAH. SO, UM, SO, UM, NOT A HOUSE, SADLY, JUST A CONDO BUILDING MM-HMM . BUT, UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE HIS WORK AND SO I, I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE YOU GUYS, UM, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING IT AS IS AND THEN IMPROVING UPON IT. SO, AND I STARTED LIFE IN MIAMI BEACH 30 SOME YEARS AGO IN AN EL MURRAY DIXON BUILDING, SO OH, WOW. VERY, ALSO VERY APPRECIATIVE OF HIS WORK. AND, UM, BUT, AND, BUT I AM NOT, SO I, I, I, I THINK, UM, I'M KIND OF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE ON THAT OCTAGONAL WINDOW. I JUST THINK THE NEW IS A NEW ADDITION TO THE BUILDING AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE THAT PUTTING AN OCTAGONAL WINDOW, WHICH IS A SIGNATURE OF, OF A MUCH EARLIER PERIOD, WOULD REALLY HELP PEOPLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE OLD AND NEW. UM, SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE I FALL ON THAT. I ALSO THINK THE HISTORIC DOCUMENTATION WOULD ALLOW ANYBODY TO PUT AN OCTAGONAL WINDOW AND AT ANY TIME THAT THEY WANT IN THE FUTURE. UM, PROBABLY ANYWHERE THEY WANT. BUT, UH, I, I JUST IN TERMS OF THE WAY WE KIND OF STRUCTURE OUR ARGUMENTS ON THIS BOARD, I, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT IT'S A REQUIREMENT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UM, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, UM, ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING TO, TO PRESERVE THE, TO PRESERVE THIS HOUSE AND EVEN TO ADD TERRA TO IT, UH, INSIDE. I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE AMAZING. AND, UM, NO, I, I, AND I APPRECIATE YOU CAME HERE YOURSELF TO DO THIS AS, UH, YOU'RE A FAST LEARNER. YOU QUICKLY CONQUERED THE IT, SO, UH, I'M, I'M SURE YOU CAN DO A, HAVE A FAMILY OF FIVE OR MORE CHILDREN, UH, NO PROBLEM BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU. SO THANK YOU. AND NO, LOOK, WE, WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE TO BE ABLE TO, TO GET A LOT OF ASSISTANCE FROM DEBBIE AND JAKE, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH US ON THIS AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY HERE TO DO THIS FOR OURSELVES. THERE'S NO OTHER MOTIVATION. RIGHT. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS MEANS A LOT TO US MM-HMM . AND WE'VE, WE'VE INVESTED A LOT OF TIME OURSELVES. UM, AND IT WILL COST A BUNCH OF MONEY, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S WORTH IT. AND, UM, WE, WE FEEL VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE SUCH A GREAT HOME. WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY, WHEN WE, WE PURCHASED THE HOME, THE PREVIOUS CENTER DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE, BUT IN WHAT ADAM HAD LEFT BEHIND, THERE'S ACTUALLY LIKE A POSTCARD FROM THE 1930S OF THE ORIGINAL HOME MM-HMM . UM, AND SO IF YOU NOTICE IT'S GREEN NOW. WHEN WE PURCHASED IT, IT ACTUALLY HAD A GRAY STRIPE MM-HMM . UM, AND WE RESTORED IT TO THE ORIGINAL GREEN THAT WAS IN THE POSTCARD. MM-HMM . UM, THERE WAS SOME, SOME PINK ON THE, UH, THE TOP OF, WHAT'S THAT TERM? PARA THE PARAPET. UM, I GOT OUTVOTED ON RESTORING IT FULLY TO THAT. UM, BUT, UM, BUT INTERIOR DESIGN TEAM MM-HMM . BUT, UH, ULTIMATELY WE, WE REALLY DO LOVE THE HOME AND ARE, ARE SUPER APPRECIATIVE OF, OF THE CHANCE TO BE ABLE TO HOPEFULLY GET THIS DONE SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE GROWING FAMILY THERE. MM-HMM . NO, GREAT. AND I WOULD, I WOULD JUST, UH, UH, DOUBLE DOWN, UH, OR DOUBLE CLICK ON THE DEBBIE AND JAKE, UH, TEAM THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THEIR EXPERTISE IS SOMETHING WE COUNT ON AND, UH, WE, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD HAS COUNTED ON FOR YEARS. I KNOW AT LEAST THE MANY YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON THIS. AND, UM, AND IT'S, UH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY WONDERFUL TO SEE WHEN THE MANY, MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO HELP APPLICANTS, UH, WORK TOWARDS SOLUTIONS THAT ARE, UM, THAT HELP FORWARD OUR CITY. BUT IN PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY KIND OF CONNECT WITH YOU ON A PERSONAL BASIS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT COMING WITH A HIGH POWERED LAWYER OR ANYBODY WHO'S SAYING YOU'RE JUST GONNA COMING YOURSELF. SO REALLY CONGRATULATIONS [03:55:01] AND THANK YOU. YEAH. AND HONESTLY, THE WHOLE TEAM, THE TEAM, EVEN GABRIELA, LIKE, YOU KNOW, GABRIELA, THAT WAS AMAZING. WHEN WE, WHEN WE MADE OUR, OUR, OUR SUBMISSION, SHE SAT WITH US FOR LIKE THREE HOURS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD TO ORGANIZE IT ALL IN ORDER AND STAPLE IT. MM-HMM . UM, 'CAUSE WE WENT, WE, AND WE, BECAUSE WE HAD SPENT THE PREVIOUS THREE HOURS AT STAPLES AND SUNSET HARBOR PRINTING. UM, I MEAN, THAT WAS A LOT OF PAPER. UM, AND SO , UH, ULTIMATELY IT'S, IT'S REALLY BEEN A TEAM EFFORT FROM YOU GUYS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE APPRECIATE IT. LIKE WE'VE PUT IN THE EFFORT BECAUSE IT MATTERS TO US. AND LIKE YOU SAID, WE DIDN'T HIRE A WHOLE BUNCH OF FOLKS BECAUSE IT DIDN'T REALLY SEEM NECESSARY. GREAT. ALRIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. I THINK, UM, IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS, WE'LL GO THROUGH. YOU MAY YES. PLEASE GO AHEAD. YES. NEVER ASK ME IF I HAVE A CALL. . OH, I'M SORRY. OKAY. PLEASE, YES. NO, I DON'T, I JUST WANNA REITERATE ABOUT THE OCTAGONAL WINDOW. I THINK YOU DID THE RIGHT DECISION NOT TO HAVE ONE THERE BECAUSE IT SERVED A VERY SPECIFIC PURPOSE IN THE ORIGINAL HOUSE TO BE THE FOCUS POINT OF THAT HALLWAY THAT COMES THAT YOU MENTION. YEAH. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT FOCAL POINT DISAPPEAR BECAUSE YOU HAD THE ADDITION, AND IN THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IT WAS CENTER BETWEEN THE TWO END WINDOWS, AND NOW THAT CENTER, THE SYMMETRY IS GONE, SO DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO IT. SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL GUILTY FOR GETTING RID OF . THANK YOU. THAT MEANS A LOT. NO, AND, AND ALSO LIKE, APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE HOUSES DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A PAY UP JOB. THE, THE ADDITION LOOKS LIKE IT WAS THERE FOREVER. SO I REALLY CONGRATULATE YOU AND YOUR ARCHITECT ON THE DECISION DESIGN DECISION. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY MORE THING I'D LIKE SAY, OH, GO AHEAD. AFTER, AFTER LISTENING TO MY COLLEAGUES, UH, WE DISTINGUISHED, UH, ARCHITECTURAL BACKGROUND , I, UH, TAKE BACK MY, UH, SUGGESTION OF THE WINDOW. I DIDN'T, AND BRING IT UP TO CURRENT. UH, YOU DON'T HAVE IT CURRENT STANDARDS. THANKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE DO APPRECIATE DIVERSITY OF OPINIONS, SO PLEASE NEVER HESITATE. AND, AND I THINK YOU LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR FORMER, UH, GEORGE GONZALEZ, UH, FORMER CITY MANAGER. OH, HE, YES. I DIDN'T REALIZE HE WAS THE FORMER CITY MANAGER, BUT YEAH, HE'S REALLY, YEAH. I, I, EVERY TIME I LEAVE THE BEACH, I DRIVE BY YOUR HOUSE . IT'S ONLY WAY TO GET FROM MY HOUSE OUT WITHOUT GOING DOWN 41ST STREET, . I LOVE THAT. YEAH. NO, WE, WE, WE, WE CERTAINLY ARE. AND, UM, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT HE, HE'D DONE THAT. WE, WE TALK, YOU KNOW, HERE AND THERE, BUT WE HADN'T, WE HADN'T GOTTEN THAT INFORMATION FROM HIM. OKAY. UH, LET'S, YEAH. OKAY. BOARD DISCLOSURES. ARE THERE ANY NO, NO, NO. ANY BOARD DISCLOSURES AT THIS END? SEEING NONE. UM, OPEN PUBLIC TO PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR COME FORWARD OR BOTH. OH YEAH, IF YOU, YOU PLEASE TAKE A SEAT AND JUST, JUST, IT'S OKAY. HI, UH, ROGER BLAD, MDPL 1750 JAMES AVENUE, UH, BREAKING THE SUPERPOSITION THAT, UH, WE ALWAYS COME AND CRITICIZE. I AM REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF BEING HERE. UH, WE WISH WE COULD USE YOUR, YOUR HOME AS, AS A MODEL. UH, WE SUPPORT YOUR THOUGHTFUL ADDITION TO THIS INDIVIDUALLY DESIGNED L EL MURRAY DIXON HOME FROM 1934. THE PROJECT DEMONSTRATES HOW ADDITIONS CAN CO COMPLIMENT RATHER THAN COMPETE WITH ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURE. DESIGN INTEGRATES WELL WITH EXISTING SECTOR. WE COMMEND THE OWNERS FOR THE VOLUNTARY HISTORIC DESIGNATION AND IN, WELL, THE PREVIOUS OWNERS AND ENCOURAGE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS TO FOLLOW THIS EXAMPLE. WE REALLY DO. UH, AND THEN ON THE SECOND PART, WE SUPPORT THE ADV VAL VAL ROOM TAX EXEMPTION FOR THIS EDITION. PROJECT SERVICES A GOOD MODEL FOR ENCOURAGING HISTORIC DESIGNATION AND THOUGHTFUL PRESERVATION. WE HOPE THIS ENCOURAGES OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS TO DESIGNATE THEIR HOMES. WE ALSO WOULD APPRECIATE ONE LITTLE CRITICISM. WOULD YOU CONSIDER TRIMMING YOUR, YOUR HEDGES, SO OTHERS, UH, TO A LEVEL WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN APPRECIATE THE BEAUTIFUL EXAMPLE OF ART DECO, ART DECO RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE PUBLIC INVESTING THROUGH THE, UH, TAX EXEMPTION. IT WOULD ALSO LIKE COME BACK WITH, UH, THE SETBACK TOO. IT WOULD MAKE, UH, BLEND IN A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT IT'S A WONDERFUL JOB AND WE COMMEND YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. HEY, I SEE NO OTHER, UH, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO COMMENT. OKAY. EXCELLENT. SO, UM, CAN I TAKE IT THAT WE WILL DO TWO VOTES, BUT, UM, AND WE'LL TAKE THE FIRST, UH, VOTE ON THE, UM, WELL, ASSUMING, WAIT, WE DIDN'T EVEN GO THROUGH BOARD CONVER. I FEEL LIKE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF BOARD CONVERSATIONS. SO IF I THINK, I THINK WE'RE ALL DONE. WE'RE [04:00:01] DONE. WE'RE PRETTY TALKED OUT. OKAY. SO LET'S, IF I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE, UM, FOR, UM, OH 6 5 9 APPROPRIATE US? WHAT? NO, UH, 4 0 6 5 9 YOU SAID? YEAH. OH 6 5 9. THE FIRST CERTIFIC. SO BE TWO MOTIONS FOR THAT. ONE FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND ONE FOR VARI AND THEN ONE FOR THE VARIANCE. CORRECT. AND THEN THIS THIRD? YEAH. OKAY. SO I WILL, UM, MAKE A MOTION. WE CAN DO THE COA FIRST. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UM, FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, WITH CONDITIONS AS, UM, DESCRIBED IN STAFF REPORT. SECOND. OKAY. LET ME CALL THE ROLE. MS. CAR MARGO? YES. MR. HOLLINGWORTH? YES. MR. MEYER? YES. MR. NOVIK? YES. MR. BRESLIN? YES. MS. LOVELL? YES. MR. STEWART? YEP. OKAY. AND NOW THE, THE VARIANCES. YEAH. THE NEXT ONE IS THE VARIANCE. SO I, I'LL MAKE THE MISSION THAT WE APPROVE THE VARIANCES AGAIN WITH THE CONDITIONS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE VARIANCES. WE JUST DID THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE FOR THE FIRST TIME OUTCOME. OKAY. I'LL CALL THE ROLE. MR. BRESLIN? YES. MR. HOLLINGWORTH? YES. MR. MEYER? YES. MR. NOVIK? YES. MS. CAMARGO? YES. MS. LOVELL? YES. MR. STEWART? YES. OKAY. THEN ONE MORE, AND THEN WE HAVE A, A RECOMMENDATION TO TRANSMIT TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION REGARDING THE AVALOR TAX EXEMPTION. I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TRANSMIT, UM, A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION, UM, FOR THE AVALOR TAX EXEMPTION FOR THE HISTORIC SINGLE FAMILY HOME. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. GOOD JOB. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT DAY. OKAY. JUST AWAY. OKAY. THE [10. HPB25-0646 a.k.a. HPB21-0482, 1300 Lenox Avenue.] NEXT APPLICATION ON THE AGENDA, MY GLASSES IS HPV 25 0 6 4 6. UM, THIS IS 1300 LENOX AVENUE AND APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING MODIFICATION. DREW A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION RENOVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME, INCLUDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ATTACHED AND DETACHED ADDITIONS AND VARIANCES FROM THE REQUIRED SETBACKS, OPEN SPACE LOT COVERAGE AND RETAINING WALL REGULATIONS. UM, SPECIFICALLY THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING DESIGN MODIFICATIONS. PREVIOUSLY, WHEN THE BOARD REVIEWED THIS PROJECT, UM, AT THE MAY MEETING OF THIS YEAR, THE APPLICANT WAS REQUESTING DESIGN MODIFICATIONS, UM, TO THE EXISTING BUILDING DESIGN MODIFICATIONS TO THE ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND MODIFICATIONS TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED VARIANCES. SINCE THE MAY MEETING, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED REVISED PLANS AND THESE REVISED PLANS INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS. UM, THEY HAVE REMOVED THE REAR ACCESSORY BUILDING AS FROM THE SCOPE OF THIS MODIFICATION. SO THEY ARE NOT, THEY'RE NO LONGER, UH, PROPOSING THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UM, ACCESSORY BUILDING OR THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED VARIANCES. SO THEY HAVE, UM, THEY'RE NO LONGER REQUESTING ANY CHANGES TO THAT PORTION OF THE PROJECT. UM, THE MODIFICATIONS, UM, FOR THE EXISTING HOME THAT THEY ARE, THAT IS PART OF THE SCOPE OF THIS APPLICATION. SO THIS IS THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. UM, THEY HAVE INCLUDED A NEW OVERHANG. THAT OVERHANG IS PROPOSED TO BE INTRODUCED AT THE FRONT PORCH. UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING. UH, THE WINDOWS PROPOSED ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE HOME HAVE BEEN REDUCED IN HEIGHT, AND A NEW SWING DOOR HAS BEEN INTRODUCED TO ACCESS THE POOL. UM, STAFF STILL, UM, HAS SOME CONCERNS RELATIVE TO THE WINDOW OPENINGS ALONG THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE HOME. UM, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE BEEN REDUCED IN HEIGHT, THEY STILL EXTEND BEYOND PAST THE HORIZONTAL BANDING. UM, AS SUCH, STAFF CONTINUES TO RECOMMEND THAT THE WINDOWS NOT EXTEND PAST THE HORIZONTAL BANDING, WHICH WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC DESIGN. UM, HOWEVER, STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE INTRODUCTION OF THE OVERHANG OF THE FRONT PORCH OR THE NEW DOOR. UM, INTRODUCTION ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE HOME. UH, WE FEEL BOTH OF THESE ITEMS ARE [04:05:01] CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER, UM, OF THE EXISTING, UH, OF THE HISTORIC RESIDENCE. UM, AND AGAIN, THERE, THERE ARE NO REQUESTED MODIFICATIONS TO THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. SO WITH THAT, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THIS MODIFICATION BE APPROVED SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS, UM, OUTLINED IN OUR, UH, DRAFT ORDER. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, FOR STAFF ABOUT THIS? CAN YOU ELABORATE FURTHER ON THE FRONT PORCH? I SEE THE 1948 PHOTO, WHICH REFERENCES THAT IT'S THE NON-ORIGINAL PORCH. UH, CORRECT. IT WAS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, AND SO IT WAS, WHAT ARE WE BEING ASKED HERE? IS THIS A REINTRODUCTION OF THAT? UH, UH, IT'S NOT REINTRODUCING A HISTORIC ELEMENT, BUT THEY ARE ASKING FOR AN OVERHANG. YEAH. UM, A SIMPLE OVERHANG, WHICH STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO. OKAY, GOT IT. I I HAD ALSO ASK, DO YOU HAVE A, OKAY, NOW I SEE, I THINK THE, IS THE APPLICANT ON, I SEE THE OWNER HERE, JOHN. AND I SEE WE DO HAVE SOMEONE ON ZOOM. I THINK THIS MIGHT BE YOUR ARCHITECT SAMSUNG. I I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, THAT MAY NOT BE THE, THE APPLICANT IS THE APPLICANT. UM, IS YOUR ARCHITECT HERE, DO YOU KNOW? UH, YOU HAD MENTIONED TWO O'CLOCK. HE'S GONNA BE HERE AT TWO O'CLOCK. HE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE LATE. OKAY. IT IS ONE 30. SO IS HE GONNA BE ON ZOOM OR IS HE GOING TO BE, UH, HE WAS GONNA BE HERE IN PERSON? MAYBE I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. UH, I MEAN, UH, JUST WE COULD PAYABLE THIS YEAH. JUST DO THIS A LITTLE LATER AND THEN, UM, AND GO, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL DISCUSS, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL, WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL APPLICATION. YES. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA TABLE HPB 25 0 6 4 6, AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO [11. HPB24-0639, 833 6th Street – Possible Designation of an Historic Site.] HPB 24 0 6, UM, THREE NINE. THIS IS 8 33 SIXTH STREET, A POSSIBLE DESIGNATION OF A HISTORIC SITE. UM, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY EVALUATION AND RECOMMENDATION REPORT RELATIVE TO THE POSSIBLE DESIGNATION OF THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER, LOCATED AT 8 33 SIXTH STREET AS A LOCAL HISTORIC SITE. UM, THE BOARD HAD PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED THIS REQUEST, UM, ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. THE LAST, UM, DISCUSSION OF THE BOARD WAS AT THE, UM, LET'S SEE, DID WE DISCUSS IT AT THE APRIL, UM, APRIL, 2025 MEETING. UM, IT HAS SINCE BEEN CONTINUED DUE TO A LACK OF A FULL BOARD. SO WE ARE BACK BEFORE YOU WITH THE SAME RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY ISSUED. UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE, UM, SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER DOES SATISFY, UH, THE CRITERIA TO BE DESIGNATED. UH, THE BUILDING IS SOMEWHAT OF AN ANOMALY IN TERMS, UM, ITS STYLE IN ITS DATE OF CONSTRUCTION FOR THE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT IN 1970. IT WAS LATER ADDED TO IN TERMS OF THE AUDITORIUM WING IN 1975. ALTHOUGH IT IS CLEAR THAT THE LAPIDUS HAD INITIALLY ENVISIONED CONSTRUCTING THIS ALTOGETHER, IT WAS FOR BUDGETARY REASONS, WE BELIEVE, UM, CONSTRUCTED, UH, SEVERAL YEARS A APART FROM EACH OTHER. UM, THERE HAVE BEEN ALTERATIONS AND MODIFICATIONS MADE TO THE BUILDING OVER TIME. UM, WE DO NOTE THEM, UM, MOST NOTABLY THE, UH, THE, UH, EXPOSED BOARD FORM CONCRETE, WHICH IS VERY CHARACTERISTIC OF A, A BRUTALIST STYLE, WHICH THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED, HAS BEEN KIND OF COVERED UP AND PAINTED OVER OVER THE YEARS. UM, WE ALSO NOTE THAT THE SECOND FLOOR LOJA, WHICH IS, UM, ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AS AN OPEN LOJA SPACE, HAS BEEN ENCLOSED. UM, BUT THE GENERAL BUILDING REMAINS INTACT WITH ITS ORIGINAL DESIGN. UM, AND WE WOULD BE HOPEFUL THAT SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS, UH, IN THE FUTURE, UH, COULD POTENTIALLY BE RESTORED. SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE, THE SUBJECT, UH, DESIGNATION SATISFIES CRITERIA A, WHICH IS ASSOCIATION WITH EVENTS THAT HAVE MADE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE HISTORY OF THE CITY, THE COUNTY, STATE, OR NATION. UM, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER IS RELATED TO THE URBAN RENEWAL [04:10:01] POLICIES RESULTING IN THE HOUSING ACT OF 1949. UM, THIS WAS A, A, UM, A PROJECT THAT WAS FUNDED BY A FEDERAL GRANT THROUGH THAT PROGRAM, UM, AND, UH, WAS FUNDED PRIMARILY AS A COMMUNITY CENTER FOR, UH, THE SENIOR, UM, THE LOWER INCOME SENIOR POPULATION IN THE CITY AT THE TIME. AND IT'S, IT, UH, IT'S STILL HAS FUNCTIONED OVER, OVER THE YEARS AS A COMMUNITY CENTER, NOT ONLY FOR FOR SENIORS, BUT ALSO IT CURRENTLY OCCUPIES, UH, DAYCARE CURRENTLY OCCUPIES, UM, WHICH SERVICES RESIDENTS, LOCAL RESIDENTS. UM, C WE BELIEVE IT EMBODIES THE DISTINCTIVE CHARACTERISTICS OF A HISTORICAL PERIOD ARCHITECTURAL OR DESIGN STYLER METHOD. UM, THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER DOES EMBODY THE DISTINCTIVE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE BRUTALIST STYLE. UH, ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT THIS BUILDING, UNLIKE A LOT OF, UM, BRUTALIST BUILDINGS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, IS IT, IT BREAKS DOWN INTO MORE OF A HUMAN SCALE BUILDING. A LOT OF GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS THAT WERE DESIGNED IN THE BRUTALIST STYLE ARE, ARE VERY MASSIVE AND, UM, NOT AS CONNECTED TO THE PUBLIC REALM. AND SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A UNIQUE FEATURE OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING. UM, WE DO BELIEVE IT POSSESS POSSESSES HIGH ARTISTIC VALUES. UM, AND IT DOES REPRESENT THE, A WORK OF A MASTER SERVE AS AN OUTSTANDING OR REPRESENTATIVE WORK OF A MASTER DESIGNER ARCHITECTURE BUILDER WHO CONTRIBUTED TO OUR HISTORICAL AND ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE. THE COMMUNITY CENTER WAS DESIGNED BY MORRIS LAPIDUS. UM, IT WAS ONE OF HIS LATER BUILDINGS. UM, AND HE CERTAINLY, UH, HAS CONTRIBUTED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, UM, TO THE CITY'S HISTORY. UM, SO WITH THAT, WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE, OF THE REQUEST. UM, WE DID REVIEW THE, THE, UM, PROPOSED OR THE REQUESTED, UH, DESIGNATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UM, THE RESILIENCY REVIEW CRITERIA. WE HAVE NOTED, UM, THAT THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF THE CITY IS EXTREMELY LOW LINE. UH, THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST VULNERABLE, UH, AREAS TO FLOODING FROM THE IMPACTS OF SEA LEVEL RISE. AND WE HAVE JUST MADE A NOTE THAT IT'S LIKELY THAT MODIFICATIONS WILL, WILL BE NEEDED, UM, TO THIS BUILDING OVER TIME TO ADDRESS THAT. UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT EXTREMELY UNIQUE OR DIFFERENT FROM A LOT OF OUR HISTORIC PROPERTIES. UM, SO AGAIN, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE BOARD, UH, ACCEPT THIS PRELIMINARY EVALUATION AND DIRECT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO PREPARE A FORMAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION REPORT, WHICH WOULD COME BACK TO YOU AT A LATER DATE. AND, UH, JUST FOR THANK YOU FOR THAT AND JUST FOR THE PROCESS, UM, THERE'LL BE QUESTIONS TO YOU, THEN THERE WON'T BE ANOTHER, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY THE APP PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, THE CITY, RIGHT. THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT. I AM NOT THE APPLICANT. RIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S A TRICKY SITUATION, BUT I AM PROFESSIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER FOR THE CITY. SO THIS IS OUR FORMAL RECOMMENDATION. UM, THIS INITIAL REQUEST CAME FROM THE MAYOR AND CITY, CITY COMMISSION. SO I AM, I AM JUST EVALUATING THAT REQUEST BASED ON THE, THE CITY AS THE APPLICANT. AND WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC, A PERIOD OF PUBLIC, UM, COMMENT AND YES, MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. OKAY. SO I GUESS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? YES. YOU MENTIONED THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST FLOOD PRO PRONE AREAS. I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THAT. I MANAGE A BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET ON JEFFERSON AVENUE. I'VE RARELY, IN MY 30 PLUS YEARS OF, UH, MANAGING THAT STRUCTURE HAVE, HAVE SEEN, UH, SIGNIFICANT OR FLOODING EXCEPT, UH, ONE TIME DURING A RAIN EVENT DAY, A FLOOD, A STORM DRAIN GOT CLOGGED AND THE WATER, UH, ROSE UP, UH, IN, IN A COUPLE OF FEET. ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS WE NOTED IS, AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW THE FLOOD HISTORY OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE, I DO KNOW, UM, THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST VULNERABLE AREAS FOR FUTURE FLOODING. THE, THERE ON SIXTH STREET, YOU HAVE A, AN ELEVATION OF TWO. I KNOW SIXTH STREET THERE, 2.8. YEAH. AND GVD, THERE'S AN ISSUE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE LOWEST LAND ELEVATIONS IN THE CITY. YEAH. SO JUST BY NATURE OF THE VERY LOW LAND ELEVATIONS, IT MAKES IT VULNERABLE IN THE FUTURE IF IT HASN'T, YOU KNOW, SEEN FLOODING. THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. AND I THINK WE SHOULD, WELL, ON THE [04:15:01] SIXTH STREET SIDE, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. OKAY. BUT THE JEFFERSON AVENUE ELEVATION JEFFERSON AVENUE IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER. IS HIGHER, YEAH. YEAH. AND MERIDIAN, I MAY ALSO BE HIGHER. UH, MERIDIAN IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER. YEAH. WE HAVE A 3.12 NGVD AND, AND WHAT'D YOU SAY? UH, SIXTH STREET WAS TWO, 2.8. GOT IT. YEAH. YEAH. UH, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SAY THIS. I, I GREW UP IN A LATER MORRIS LAPIDUS BUILDING. MY FAMILY HAD PURCHASED A, UH, WINTER, SUMMER HOME IN AVENTURA IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES. UH, LAPIDUS WAS THE, UH, TOWN PLANNER OF, UH, WHAT WAS THAT SWAMP LAND IN NORTHEAST AID THAT THE SOFAS WON A BIDDING WAR WITH, UH, AGAINST THE MU BACK IN THE DAY THEY GOT THAT, WHAT WAS THOUGHT TO BELIEVE THE UNDEVELOPABLE LAND FOR $6 MILLION. UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS 1967. UH, MY MOM WOULD OFTEN SAY SHE LOVED THAT, UH, THAT CONDOMINIUM APARTMENT. UH, THERE WAS CLOSETS, ADJOINING CLOSETS, UH, UH, COMPARED TO, UH, THE FAMILY HOME ON LONG ISLAND. UM, ALSO THAT DEVELOPMENT IN AN AVENTURA VILLA DORADO, THE SMALL BROWN AND WHITE BUILDINGS THAT ARE, UH, STILL THERE TODAY THAT'LL PROBABLY BE THERE FOR A LONG TIME. THIS BUILDING WAS, UH, YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD JUST PICK UP THIS BUILDING AND PUT IT DOWN THERE, IT WOULD FIT RIGHT IN. UH, UH, IN MY EYES, THIS IS A CLASSIC LATE LATER, UH, UH, GENERATION LAPIDUS STRUCTURE. AND, UH, I AGREE WITH STAFF. THIS IS, UH, A STRUCTURE WORTHY OF DESIGNATION. AND I BELIEVE IT WAS THE, UH, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE THAT SENT THIS BACK HERE BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE, UH, CHOPPING BLOCK, UH, TO BECOME THE HOME OF THE FIREHOUSE. UH, AND SINCE, UH, THE FIRST TIME THIS ISSUE CAME UP, WHATEVER IT WAS, ALMOST A DECADE AGO, I OPPOSED, ITS, UH, ITS DEMISE. SO I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY. WE HAVE A CITY ASSET THAT EXISTS. UH, UH, WE NEED TO RETAIN IT AND, UH, IN THIS CASE, UH, PRESERVE IT FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALL THAT INSIGHT, MITCH. APPRECIATE IT. SURE, RAY. WELL, I HAPPEN TO HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD WHEN, UM, THIS PARTICULAR SITE WAS APPROVED FOR THE FIRE STATION. AND, UH, THEN A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS DECIDED, OH NO, WE NEED TO SAVE THIS BUILDING. AND THAT'S THE REASON IT'S NOW GOING UP FOR, UH, UH, HISTORIC PRE, UH, PRESERVATION OR, OR WHATEVER. BUT YET WE HAVE BUILDINGS LIKE THE BASS MUSEUM THAT ARE NOT, UM, WHAT ABOUT CITY HALL? I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING FOR THIS BUILDING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FIREHOUSE CAN'T COME BACK, AND I'M SORRY, UNTIL A SHOVEL GOES IN THE GROUND. AND IF NEW FIREHOUSE IS BUILT, I COULD NOT POSSIBLY VOTE TO MAKE THIS HISTORIC WHEN THERE WAS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ALREADY SPENT BY THE CITY TO PUT THE FIREHOUSE THERE, RAISE THE ELEVATION IF, IF IT'S IN A FLOOD PRO AREA, AND ACTUALLY HAVE A FIREHOUSE THAT IS CLOSER TO SOUTH OF FIFTH, WHERE ALL OF THOSE RESIDENTS WEREN'T THERE WHEN ONE BUILT ON ON 11TH STREET. SO, UNTIL THEN, I, I, IT'S ALREADY GOT PROTECTIONS FROM THE, FROM THE, UH, DISTRICT THAT IT'S IN THE FLAMINGO PARK DISTRICT, JUST LIKE OTHER PROPERTIES DO THAT ARE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. AND I DON'T FEEL THAT IT NEEDS AN ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL HELP UNTIL WE KNOW FOR SURE WE HAVE A FIREHOUSE SOMEPLACE ELSE, BECAUSE WE ALREADY VOTED ORIGINALLY TO HAVE THE FIREHOUSE THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU, RAY. UM, LET'S JUST LET EVERYBODY HAVE A SPEAK AND THEN YOU, YOU COME IN, JUMP IN, LINDSAY. OH, I THOUGHT WE, WE WERE KIND OF JUST DOING THE, UM, BOARD QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS, BUT IN A VERY KIND OF LOOSE DEFINITION OF QUESTION. AND, UM, WE CAN JUST PROBABLY CONTINUE AND THEN GO AND THEN OPEN. DEFINITELY OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC. UM, UH, WHY DON'T YOU GO AND THEN HASKELL AND THEN LINDSAY, WHO'S GO MY NEXT, YES. OKAY. THERE'S A DEBATE HERE ABOUT PLACING THE, UH, NEW FIRE STATION AT THE END OF, UH, THE FLAMINGO TRACK. ALL THIS CAME ABOUT BECAUSE [04:20:01] I BELIEVE, FROM WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CURRENT FIRE STATION IS NOT IN THE BEST OF SHAPE AND NEEDS TO BE UPDATED IN PROXIMITY TO SOUTH OF FIFTH BUILDINGS THAT HAVE GONE UP SINCE THAT FIRE STATION CAME INTO SERVICE. UNFORTUNATELY, UM, MR. LADIS HAS NOT HERE TO BACK ME UP ON THIS. I HAD THE GOOD FORTUNE OF WORKING WITH HIM, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS WAS HIS LEAST DESIRABLE BUILDING THAT HE'S EVER WORKED ON. UH, IF WE DESIGNATE THIS HISTORIC, THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE PUSHING THAT FIRE STATION TO THE END OF FLAMINGO PARK. NO TRACK IN THE WORLD, NO VIABLE RUNNING TRACK IN THE WORLD CAN HAVE A BUILDING FIVE FEET FROM THE TRACK THAT'S 20, 30 FEET TALL. AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU RUN ONE SIDE OF THE TRACK AND YOU'RE RUNNING THE OTHER OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE TRACK, YOU'RE TRYING TO GAIN PLUS OR MINUS WIND DIRECTION, WE'RE GOING TO DESTROY THAT TRACK, WHICH IS USED BY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ON A WEEKLY BASIS. KIDS COME OUT, WORK ON THEIR RUNNING TECHNIQUES. ADULTS COME OUT THROUGHOUT THE WEEK AND WORK ON THEIR RUNNING TECHNIQUES. PEOPLE USE THAT TRACK. IT'S A GREAT AMENITY FOR THE CITY. AND IF WE ARE GONNA GO AHEAD AND DESIGNATE THAT BUILDING'S HISTORIC ON SIXTH STREET AND PREVENT THE FIRE STATION FROM GOING THERE, SHAME ON US FOR TAKING THAT AMENITY AWAY FROM THE PUBLIC. IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. A LOT OF GREAT RUNNERS AROUND THE WORLD HAVE COME TO THAT TRACK TO RUN. WE HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THINGS WITH THAT SITE ON SIXTH STREET. ONE OF THEM NOT DESIGNATED. THIS IS HISTORIC. PUTTING THE FIRE STATION THERE. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE POWERS TO BE THAT ARE PUSHING THIS AGENDA. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REASON IS PRIMARILY, BUT, UM, IF WE LOSE THIS OPPORTUNITY, WE'RE GONNA DESTROY A GREAT AMENITY THAT THIS CITY HAS HAD FOR 50 YEARS, 50 PLUS YEARS. AND I WILL NEVER SUPPORT THIS IDEA OF DESIGNATED THIS SITE IS HISTORIC TO PREVENT, YOU KNOW, TO ALLOW A FIRE STATION GOING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE TRUCK. IT DOESN'T WORK. AND WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND ANY MORE MONEY ON STUDIES. STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE. WE PAID A LOT OF MONEY. STAFF HAS OTHER THINGS TO WORK ON BESIDES PUTTING THEIR TIME AND EFFORT TO STUDY THIS ANY FURTHER. IT JUST DOESN'T WORK ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE TRACK, AND WE DON'T NEED TO DESIGNATE A HISTORIC SIX STREET SITE. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU HASKELL, LINDSAY. UM, SO, SO ONE THING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I, I DON'T KNOW, PUT THIS INTO THE RECORD. UM, BUT JUST TO NOTE THIS. SO WE DISCUSSED THIS LAST TIME ABOUT THE LEVEL, UM, OF JEFFERSON AND, UM, LATER RAISING OF THE STREETS AND THE FLOODING ISSUES THERE AND WHERE IT EXISTS. NOW, THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING IS HIGHER THAN THAT AT, AT WHERE IT SITS NOW. UM, BUT SINCE MITCH BROUGHT IT UP, I WILL SAY THAT, I MEAN, I HAVE VIDEO HERE FROM MARCH 23RD, 2024, WHERE I WAS LEAVING YOGA ON THE CORNER OF MERIDIAN AND SIXTH. AND THAT ENTIRE INTERSECTION ON A JEFFERSON, LIKE YOU CAN SEE THE WAVES. AND THAT'S JUST ON A SUDDEN DOWNPOUR DAY, OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, JUST COMPLETELY LIKE, INUNDATED. IT FLOODED ALL THE BUILDINGS AROUND THERE. NOW, AT THAT POINT, STATUE COMMUNITY CENTER DIDN'T FLOOD, BUT I JUST POINT OUT THAT, YEAH, IT IS REALLY LOW RIGHT THERE ON, ON, UM, ON SIXTH STREET. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE KNOW, UM, UH, KINDA BEYOND THAT, UM, I GO BACK TO, AND, AND SOME OF THAT IS HERE. UM, BUT THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS GIVEN IN 2019, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LOSS OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT WERE KEY, UH, KEY TO THIS WERE THE OPEN BREEZEWAYS, THE LOGIAS, THE LIGHT WELLS. UM, BUT AS A RESULT OF THE PROGRAMMATIC NEEDS OF THE, UM, THAT NECESSITATED THE CLOSURE OF THE SECOND FLOOR, YOU LOST A LOT OF THAT. THERE'S SECURITY APPARATUS. THERE'S GATES THAT HAVE BEEN DROPPED, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE REMOVED A LOT OF THE DEFINING CHARACTERISTICS OF THE BUILDING. THAT WHAT DOES IT SAY HERE? UM, ALTERATIONS THAT OCCURRED OVER TIME, UM, UH, THAT, UH, LET'S SEE, THE EXPOSED CONCRETE RELATED FINISHES HAVE BEEN COMPROMISED AND MAYBE BEYOND REPAIR AND RESTORATION. UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION LAST TIME, I WAS HOPING THAT BY THE TIME IT CAME BEFORE US THIS TIME AROUND THAT, NOT A FULL REPORT, BUT WE HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION. AND I JUST, I'M, I DON'T KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT CONVINCED, UM, THAT THIS BUILDING IS THE ONE THAT WE DESIGNATE. I MEAN, SETTING ASIDE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. AND I MEAN, UM, I JUST, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I STAND. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . ANY ANYBODY ELSE WHO HASN'T SPOKEN YET? I KNOW, WAIT, WHO HASN'T SPOKEN YET? 'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO GET EVERYBODY'S, ELIZABETH, YOU OH, YOU WENT, OKAY, GO AHEAD. JUST ONE MORE THING. SORRY. UM, AND AGAIN, THE 2019 TESTIMONY, UM, WAS ALSO THAT IT WAS NOT FEASIBLE TO RETAIN THE ENTIRE BUILDING FOR A NEW MUNICIPAL USE. OKAY. ELIZABETH, ONE QUICK QUESTION, DEBBIE. UM, [04:25:01] WHAT ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS THE BUILDING WILL HAVE IF IT'S DESIGNATED HISTORICAL? 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY PROTECTED AS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN I DON'T, UH, AND CLARIFY FOR ME, IF IT WAS ALREADY PROTECTED AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, HOW COULD IT HAVE BEEN, UH, UM, ASSIGNED FOR THE DEMOLITION FOR THE FIREHOUSE, IF IT'S ALREADY PART OF OKAY. UM, GREAT QUESTIONS. SO THE EXISTING BUILDING IS CLASSIFIED AS A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING WITHIN THE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. HOWEVER, UM, THAT CLASSIFICATION ON ITS OWN DOES NOT LESSEN ITS PROTECTION UNDER THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. ANY BUILDING, WHETHER CONTRIBUTING OR NON-CONTRIBUTING OR OR NOT CLASSIFIED, UM, WITHIN A DISTRICT DOES REQUIRE THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD FOR DEMOLITION. IN THIS UNIQUE INSTANCE, HOWEVER, THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE CITY IN OUR, UM, LAND DEVELOP, LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, UM, LIMIT THIS BOARD'S ABILITY TO APPROVE OR DENY DEMOLITION FOR CITY OWNED PROPERTIES AND GIVE THAT AUTHORITY TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION. SO PREVIOUSLY, THE BOARD, UM, I THINK IT WAS IT BACK IN 2019, UM, THE BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE FIRE STATION AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION. AND THEN SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION DID APPROVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION. UM, PART OF THAT ORIGINAL APPROVAL ALSO REQUIRED, UM, CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING LIKE THOSE CANOPIES TO BE REINCORPORATED BACK RETAINED AND REINCORPORATED BACK INTO THE FIRE STATION. UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S PROTECTION, WHETHER IT'S CONTRIBUTING, NON-CONTRIBUTING OR AN INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC SITE, ESSENTIALLY TECHNICALLY IS THE SAME. SO IT, IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE THE LEVEL OF PROTECTION, UM, FOR THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT HAS THE SAME REVIEW PROCESS REQUIRED, REGARDLESS IF IT'S INDIVIDUALLY DESIGNATED, CONTRIBUTING OR NON-CONTRIBUTING, THE SAME PROCESS IS REQUIRED TO BE FOLLOWED. OKAY. RANDY, DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? NO, YOU'RE OKAY. I, I WAS ONLY GONNA ADD, I WAS ONLY GONNA ADD HERE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UH, I, AS I THINK I MENTIONED LAST TIME, I LIVED IN CABINET PLAZA IN BROOKLYN, AND IT WAS EXACTLY THE SAME YEAR AS THIS, THAT LAPIDUS WAS WORKING IN NEW YORK AND HERE, AND THERE ARE MANY, MANY SIMILARITIES TO WHAT HE WAS DOING THERE AND HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I ALSO HAD THE PLEASURE OF, UH, WORKING WITH MR. LAPIDUS ON OCCASION AND INTERVIEWING HIM. AND, UM, I KNOW HIS, HIS BEST PROJECTS WERE ALWAYS HIS NEXT PROJECT. UH, THAT WAS WHEN HE WAS, UM, I WAS TRYING TO SAVE SOME THINGS ON LINCOLN ROAD, AND, UH, THEY WERE BEING, UH, HE WAS, HE WAS SUPPORTING THEM BEING TAKEN , SOME OF HIS OWN DESIGNS BEING TAKEN OUT FOR THIS, FOR THE NEW PROJECT HE WAS GONNA HAVE ON LINCOLN ROAD. SO, I IT WITH THIS, WITH THAT CONTEXT, I STILL THINK THAT LAPIDUS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT AND INTERESTING AND COMPLEX ARCHITECTS WHO'S, UM, UH, WHO'S WORKED IN MIAMI BEACH, IF YOU COMPARE HIM TO EL MURRAY DIXON, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO HAD A, WHO HAD A VERY A, A KIND OF A, A, A STYLE, A BRAND THAT, THAT VARIED AND IT WAS NUANCED AND BEAUTIFUL, BUT DIDN'T VARY, DIDN'T KIND OF REFLECT THE TIMES, UM, LIKE LAPUS DOES. AND I, UM, SO IN THAT SENSE, I THINK THIS BUILDING IS SIGNIFICANT AS A, AS A KIND OF PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT STARTS WITH A FONT BLOW AND, UM, OR PERHAPS EVEN EARLIER WITH OTHER PROJECTS. UM, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THIS BUILDING IS, UM, RE REMARKABLE FOR THE WAY IN, I THINK IT HELPS US TO UNDERSTAND SEA LEVEL RISE AND HISTORIC PROJECTS. IF YOU NOTICE THE BUILDING HAS PLANTERS IN THE FRONT. THESE ARE PLANTERS ARE THINGS THAT CITY GUIDELINES HAVE PROPOSED, BUT WE'VE NEVER TRIED REALLY IN THIS, IN, IN THE WAY THAT THIS BUILDING HAS THEM FOR, UM, TREES THAT ARE ABLE TO WITHSTAND FLOODS. YOU NOTICE SOME OF THE OLDEST PALM TREES PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, STILL ALIVE TODAY ARE IN THESE PLANTERS, IN THIS VERY LOW LYING PART OF THE CITY. UM, SO I, I THINK THAT, AND IT'S ALSO THE, THE FIRST FINISHED FLOOR OF THIS BUILDING IS RAISED UP QUITE A BIT. IT ALSO SHOWS THAT, UM, THAT ASPECT OF, UM, HOW A BUILDING MIGHT RESPOND TO A LOW LYING CONDITION. THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT I THINK IT'S THIS BOARD'S OPPORTUNITY WHEN, UH, PRESENTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION, A UA UNANIMOUS. IS THAT TRUE? IT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE, UM, BY EVERYBODY ON THE COMMISSION [04:30:01] TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT OUR HISTORIC FABRIC AND OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS. AND THAT THE MORE WE KNOW ABOUT THE BUILDINGS THROUGH A DESIGNATION REPORT LIKE THIS, UM, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT SAVE THIS BUILDING, UH, IT MAY BECOME A FIRE STATION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE OF THIS BUILDING, UM, HOLDS FOR IT. BUT IT, UM, I STILL THINK THAT THE, UM, THAT THE UNDER THE LEARNING AND THE KIND OF, UM, USING THE PROFESSIONAL, UM, SKILLS, UM, THAT OUR STAFF HAS WILL REALLY HELP US TO UNDERSTAND THE BROADER CONTEXT OF OUR HISTORIC CITY. AND THAT THIS, THAT'S WHAT THIS BOARD IS REALLY INTENDED TO DO. SO I WOULD KINDA SEPARATE, I PERSONALLY SEPARATE OUT, UM, THE CRITERIA, UH, UH, THE, THE CRITERIA, WHICH I THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT FROM THE, THIS BROADER, UM, KIND OF, UH, UH, THE BROADER, LET'S SAY, CONTEXT THAT THIS IS, THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS IN. SO, UM, I AM, I'M, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THIS. I HAVE A QUESTION, AND GO AHEAD. IF THIS IS DESIGNATED AS HISTORIC, THAT MEANS IT CANNOT BE USED FOR THE FIREHOUSE, CORRECT. THAT WOULDN'T PRECLUDE THE CITY FROM DESIGNING THE FIRES? WELL, BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO TEAR IT DOWN AND SAVE CERTAIN PIECES. LIKE, AND LIKE IT WAS, ONCE YOU, ONCE IT'S HISTORIC. YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T, YOU HAVE TO KEEP THAT BUILDING. YOU CAN'T TURN AROUND AND TEAR IT DOWN. I MEAN, THAT, I, I DISAGREE WITH THAT. UM, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE HISTORIC BUILDINGS BE TORE DOWN, UH, THAT, THAT RESTS WITH THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION. SO JUST AS THEY CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT PERMIT A, YOU KNOW, BUILDING THEY OWN TO BE DEMOLISHED. IF IT'S CONTRIBUTING, THEY, THEY COULD SAY, AND THEY HAVE THE COMMISSION REVERSED THE DEMOLITION FOR A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING. SO IT, IT DOESN'T RESTRICT THE, THIS BOARD OR THE CITY COMMISSION'S ABILITY TO APPROVE DEMOLITION OR TO REQUIRE RETENTION. UM, REGARDLESS IF IT'S NON, NON-CONTRIBUTING, CONTRIBUTING OR A HISTORIC SITE, IT, IT DOESN'T RESTRICT THE, THE ABILITY TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, ANY DECISION THAT IS APPROPRIATE. MR. CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU. . HI, UH, ROGER GOLDBERG, MDPL 1750 JAMES AVENUE. JOHN, YOU COULDN'T HAVE BEEN MORE ELOQUENT. UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH HOW WE FEEL AT MDPL TOO. AND, UH, YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE ALL THE LETTERS AND EMAIL, MOSTLY EMAILS, NOT LETTERS SO MUCH THESE DAYS AND TEXTS AND PHONE CALLS THAT WE GET CONCERNING THIS, THIS MATTER. SO WE ENTHUS ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORT THE DESIGNATION DESIGNATION OF, OF THE, UH, SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER'S HISTORIC, THE SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURE DESIGNED BY THE RENOWNED ARCHITECT, MARS LAPIDUS IS LONG SERVED AS A COMMUNITY GEM. IT REALLY HAS. WE HAVE WORKED COLLABORATIVELY WITH STAKEHOLDERS OVER THE YEARS TO PRESERVE THIS BUILDING AND ARE PLEASED TO SEE IT FINALLY HAVING THE POSSIBILITY OF FORMAL RE RECOGNITION OF THENO SIGNIFICANCE WITHIN OUR DISTRICT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. ON ZOOM, I SEE BRUCE CARTER, OH, HE PUT HIS HAND DOWN. SO WE HAVE NEXT IS JOHAN, JOHANN MOORE, HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, UM, JOHANN MOORE, 7 1 7 JEFFERSON AVENUE ON BEHALF OF MERIDIAN COURT COMMUNITY. UH, , SINCE THE CONVERSATION SEEMINGLY HAS VEERED INTO MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE TERRITORY, UH, ALSO SEEMINGLY IN CONTRAVENTION TO, UH, STAFF'S PREVIOUS ADMONITIONS, UH, AS TO THE CRITERIA THAT BOARD MEMBERS MAY CONSIDER, UH, WHEN DECIDING WHETHER TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE, UH, A, AN ITEM REQUESTING DESIGNATION, UM, I WILL POINT OUT THAT WHEN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BECOME A FIRE STATION, IT WAS AS A PART OF THE OVERALL FUNDING FOR THAT INTENDED TO GET AN INJECTION. WELL. NOW, CONCERNS WITH INJECTION WELLS ASIDE, THE POINT IS THAT IT WAS ALWAYS INTENDED TO ADDRESS THE FLOODING AT THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS, MERIDIAN, JEFFERSON, AND SIXTH STREET. UH, AND ONCE THE FUNDING CAN BE FOUND FOR THAT INJECTION WELL, OR A [04:35:01] COMPARABLE SOLUTION, UH, ALSO IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THE WEST DRAIN OF THAT PARKING LOT TO THE EAST NORTHEAST OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER SEEMINGLY REGULARLY FLOODS ONCE THOSE ISSUES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. SEA LEVEL RISE, OF COURSE, IS A SEPARATE QUESTION, BUT THE IMMEDIATE FLOODING QUESTION WILL GO AWAY. I WOULD SIMPLY LEAVE YOU WITH THE THOUGHT THAT OCCURS TO ME MOST STRONGLY AS I HEAR DEBBIE TACKETT AND THE CHAIR, UH, UH, MUSE ON VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THIS, AS WELL AS OUR NEIGHBOR LINDSAY LOVEL, UH, IN FLAMINGO PARK. UH, IS NOT THE COMMISSION ESSENTIALLY ASKING YOU TO IMPOSE AN ADDITIONAL INHIBITION UPON THE COMMISSION AS AN ABSTRACT ENTITY IRRESPECTIVE OF ITS CURRENT COMPOSITION? IS IT NOT ASKING YOU TO IMPOSE AN ADDITIONAL INHIBITION UPON THE COMMISSION, HOWEVER, CONSTITUTED, UH, TO SUGGEST THAT IT IS NOT A HASTY DECISION TO BE TAKEN TO CONSIDER TAKING OUT THE MUCH LOVED AND HISTORIC COMMUNITY CENTER. AND SO WE WOULD SIMPLY ASK THAT YOU RESPECT THE REQUEST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE VERY ELOQUENT PREVIOUS STATEMENTS BY DR. MCKINNEY, UH, AS TO THE VALUE OF THIS BUILDING AND THE REQUEST OF THE COMMISSION, UH, TO SAVE THIS BUILDING. WILL YOU NOT PLEASE SIMPLY EXCEED TO THOSE MULTIPLE REQUESTS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS DAVID MCKINNEY. DAVID, YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF. UH, THERE, AM I UNMUTED? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. OKAY. UH, THERE, DO I NEED TO BE SWORN IN OR NO? UH, NO, YOU DO NOT. OKAY. UH, I'M DAVID MCKINNEY AND I LIVE AT 10 20 MERIDIAN AVENUE, MIAMI BEACH. I AM A, A ARCHITECTURAL ASTORIAN AND HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PRESERVATION OF THIS BUILDING FOR ALMOST NOW 10 YEARS. UH, I, THEY'RE APPLAUD. UH, THEY'RE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND REMIND YOU THAT THIS BUILDING IS IN TERMS OF SEA LEVEL, UH, RISE AND HISTORIC BUILDING, PROBABLY THE BEST SITUATED THAT I KNOW OF IN SOUTH BEACH, IN THAT IT IS RAISED ON A PLATFORM. UH, THEY'RE SUBSTANTIALLY ABOVE THE, UH, CURVE LEVEL. UH, IN FACT, IT, UH, THERE, UH, FOR THAT, I, I WOULD ALSO REMIND YOU THAT THIS BUILDING IS, UH, HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED NOT JUST LOCALLY, BUT NATIONALLY BY THE SOCIETY OF ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIANS, THEREBY THE STATE BY THE FLORIDA TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION. THIS BUILDING IS RECOGNIZED OUTSIDE OF MIAMI BEACH, UH, FOR ITS, UH, UH, ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY, WHICH I WILL SAY A EXIST NOW. AND I WILL SAY IN TERMS OF MY EXPERIENCE, THAT, UH, THERE ARE COATS OF PAINT ON, UM, ON CONCRETE DO NOT, UH, REPRESENT, UH, A ANY, UH, THEIR DETRIMENT TO THE BUILDING OR ITS ARCHITECTURAL, THEIR INTEGRITY. UH, I WON'T GO INTO MY ARGUMENT AGAIN AND AGAIN, BUT I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO, UH, IF YOU DO DISAGREE WITH THE PUBLIC POLICY OF WHERE THE FIRE STATION SHOULD GO, THAT YOU ADDRESS THAT WITH THE COMMISSION, UH, WHO HAS ALREADY TAKEN IT TO THE, THE VOTERS AND HAVE APPROVED A SITE OF WHICH YOU MAY DISAGREE WITH. BUT THE VOTERS OF BOTH THE CITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COUNTY HAVE UN APPROVED A SITE AT ALTON AND 11TH STREET, UH, TO ADDRESS THAT COMPLETELY. AND THEN TO LOOK AT THE CRITERIA AS MS. TACKETT HAS OUTLINED THAT IT MEETS FULLY THE, UH, THE, UH, CRITERIA FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION. AND, UH, THERE, GO AHEAD AND LET HER, UH, UH, OR THE STAFF COMPLETE A REPORT AND THEN LOOK AT IT, UM, AND, AND, AND EVALUATE IT ACCORDING TO THAT REPORT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY. I SEE NO OTHER, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO COMMENT, LINDSAY. SO, I, I MEAN, TO ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT SAID THAT THE COMMISSION HAS ASKED US TO DO THIS, TO DESIGNATE IT, THE COMMISSION ASKED US TO REVIEW IT AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE SUGGEST THAT IT A REPORT BE GENERATED SO THAT WE COULD OR COULD NOT DESIGNATE IT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, ASKING US TO [04:40:01] EXCEED TO THAT REQUEST, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. UM, AND I THINK YOU, IF YOU ASKED THE COMMISSIONERS, YOU VOTED FOR IT, THEY SAID, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM SENDING THIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT. AND JUST LIKE ANY OTHER APPLICANT THAT COMES BEFORE US, I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS. THAT IT COMES TO US. THAT WOULD BE THE NUMBER ONE. UM, AND THEN, UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ALL. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PASCAL. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT IF WE'RE GONNA DO ANY FURTHER STUDIES, WE WOULD DO A STUDY ABOUT REHABBING THE, UM, CURRENT FIRE STATION AT ITS CURRENT LOCATION. BECAUSE IF THE BASIC PREMISE WAS TO BE IN PROXIMITY TO SOUTH OF FIFTH FOR THE NEW FIRE STATION, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE HAVING IT ON 11TH STREET IN JEFFERSON OR 11TH STREET ON ALTON ROAD? NOT MUCH TO ME, BUT IF WE DO MOVE IT TO THE FLAMINGO PARK, WE ARE DESTROYING A GREAT AMENITY THAT THE CITY HAS. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED. THAT'S IT. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO ADD, UH, THE COMMISSION MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE NEW FIRE STATION, WHICH THE VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY APPROVED FOR THIS SITE, UH, ALONG ALTON ROAD, NOT ENCROACH ONTO THE TRACK. UH, IS THAT CORRECT, DEBBIE? UH, YES. THAT WAS THE DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION TO THE CONSULTANT DESIGNERS TO NOT HAVE IT ENCROACHMENT TO THE TRACTOR. YES. SO THERE IS NO ENCROACHMENT, AND THIS BUILDING, UH, IS AN AMENITY TO, TO THE, TO THE COMMUNITY. AND IT'S VIABLE AND IT'S ALREADY BUILT. WE'RE NOT GONNA BE, UH, YOU KNOW, SPENDING MONEY TO DEMOLISH THIS ASSET IN ORDER TO CREATE A NEW ONE. IT'S JUST, THAT'S MIND BOGGLING IN MY MIND. THE, THE PLAN THAT I SAW CONTEMPLATES A BUILDING THAT IS ABOUT 30 FEET TALL, FIVE FEET WEST OF THE TRACK. UH, SO THAT IS ENCROACHING ON THE TRACK BECAUSE IT DEFINITELY WINDSHIELD, UH, CAUSES WIND, UM, DEFLECTION IN VARIOUS DIRECTIONS, AND IT DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR A GOOD SMOOTH RUNNING TRACK. CAN I RESPOND? YEAH, I THINK MAYBE WE'RE KIND OF GOING BEYOND WHERE STAFF CAN, I MEAN, AND OUR OWN EXPERTISE, UH, CAN, UM, HELP US. YEAH. AND I, I WOULD JUST CAUTION THE BOARD MEMBERS, UM, WE DO ANTICIPATE AN APPLICATION COMING BEFORE YOU REGARDING A, THE FIRE STATION AND THE, AT THE FLAMINGO PARK SITE THAT IS NOT BEFORE US TODAY. THAT HAS NOT BEEN OFFICIALLY SUBMITTED YET. AND I THINK COMMENTING TOO MUCH ON WHAT WE KNOW IS GOING TO BE A POTENTIAL APPLICATION IN FRONT OF US IS NOT, THIS IS NOT THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO DO THAT. MM-HMM . UH, RAY, YES. I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THERE WAS A COMMUNITY CENTER ON WASHINGTON AVENUE AND 21ST STREET, VERY SIMILAR TO THIS ONE THAT GOT TORN DOWN SO THAT THE CONVENTION CENTER COULD HAVE THEIR BALLROOM AND AN EXTENSION AND WHATNOT. AND ALL THOSE SERVICES GOT REALLOCATED AND PEOPLE ARE HAPPY WHERE THEY'RE AT. AND THE SAME THING WAS HAPPENING WITH THE, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER ON SIXTH. ALL OF THOSE SERVICES WERE GONNA BE REAPPROPRIATED. THE CITY HAS ALREADY SPENT OVER, WELL OVER A MILLION DOLLARS ON THE PLANS TO PUT THE FIRE STATION THERE. AND EVERYTHING WAS APPROVED THROUGH STAR PRESERVATION. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, ONE OR TWO COMMISSIONERS SAID, OH NO, WE HAVE TO SAVE IT. AND WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO BUILD IT SOMEPLACE ELSE. WELL, RIGHT NOW, YES, THE VOTERS APPROVED WHERE IT'S GOING, BUT THE FLAMINGO ROAD OR, OR THE FLAMINGO PARK ASSOCIATION IS DEAD SET AGAINST IT. SO, I MEAN, YOU, YOU, YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS TO LOOK AT. AND PERSONALLY, I CAN'T VOTE ON ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS CENTER UNTIL THE SHOVEL GOES IN THE GROUND FOR THE FIRE STATION SOMEPLACE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, WELL, WE'VE HEARD FROM ALMOST EVERYBODY, SO I THINK WE'RE, UM, READY TO, ARE WE READY TO, UH, TAKE A STRAW POLL? LINDSAY, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, I MEAN, WE CAN DROP A, LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE, WE NEED FOUR VOTES. UM, SO DO YOU, SHOULD WE, WE CAN DO IT OURSELVES TO SEE IF WE HAVE ENOUGH VOTES. THIS IS THE REQUEST TO REQUEST STAFF PREPARING. YES. I'M JUST SEEING IF WE EVALUATION IF WE HAVE ANY CHANCE OF REQUESTING IT. OR SHOULD WE JUST TAKE THE, OR SHOULD WE JUST TAKE THE VOTE? 'CAUSE WE'RE REALLY NOT, SO MAYBE BEFORE WE TAKE THE VOTE, CAN YOU RESTATE WHAT WE'RE VOTING FOR ? BECAUSE THERE IS A LITTLE CONFUSION ON THAT. GO AHEAD. UH, SO WE WOULD BE VOTING, UM, I GUESS DO WE HAVE TO DO A MOTION? THE, THE VOTE WOULD BE [04:45:01] ON WHETHER TO DIRECT STAFF TO, TO, UH, TO PREPARE A FORMAL DESIGNATION REPORT. A DESIGNATION REPORT, NOT A DESIGNATION, JUST A REPORT. WELL, THAT IS THE NEXT STEP TO ADVANCE THE DESIGNATION, RIGHT? MM-HMM . BUT WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THAT NEXT STEP. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. WE'RE ONLY VOTING ON THE DESIGNATION REPORT TO COME BACK BEFORE US. AND WHICH WOULD INCLUDE OF COURSE, UH, THE HISTORY, THE, THE RELEVANCE OF THIS, UH, SITE AND STRUCTURE MM-HMM . IT COMES BACK TO US OR GOES TO THE PLANNING BOARD. OKAY. SO THE PROCESS IS RATHER LENGTHY. UM, IF, IF YOU DIRECT STAFF TODAY TO PREPARE THE DESIGNATION REPORT, WE HAVE A, A 12 MONTH MAXIMUM TIMEFRAME WHERE WE WOULD BRING BACK THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION REPORT TO THIS BOARD. AT THAT MEETING, THE BOARD WOULD ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION WHETHER TO APPROVE THE DESIGNATION OR NOT. AND AFTER THAT RECOMMENDATION IS MADE BY THE BOARD, THEN IT WOULD BE TRANSMITTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD. THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD REVIEW. THE DESIGNATION REQUEST WOULD ALSO ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION, WHETHER OR NOT TO DESIGNATE, THEN IT WOULD TRAVEL WITH BOTH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION. AND IT WOULD BE TWO READINGS IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION, WHETHER OR NOT TO DESIGNATE. WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME FOR ALL THAT? AFTER THE FIRST 12 MONTHS? UM, IT WAS, IT'S PROBABLY AT LEAST ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS, FOUR TO SIX MONTHS. DEBORAH SOMEWHERE, UH, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU STATED SOMEWHERE THAT CHANGED TO ONE YEAR, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS INITIALLY 90 DAYS, OR WAS IT 30 DAYS? UH, ONCE WE REQUEST A, UH, UH, STAFF TO PREPARE, PREPARE A PRELIMINARY EVALUATION REPORT, IT, IT'S BEEN 12 MONTHS AS LONG AS I RECALL. REALLY? YEAH. I, I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL THAT. I MEAN, IT, IT, WE, WE HAVE TO DO A NOTICE. SO IT'S AT LEAST A FOUR MONTH. I MEAN, WE, WE, WITH OUR NOTICING REQUIREMENTS, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT IN 30 DAYS OR 90 DAYS. I MEAN, WE, WE DO DO A LOT OF RESEARCH, WHICH IS TIME CONSUMING. UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE 12 MONTHS TO BRING BACK TO YOU. NICK, DO YOU WANT TO CHIME IN? YOU, YOU MAY BE THINKING, HE MAY BE THINKING OF THE, THE PERIOD WHEN THE INTERIM PROCEDURES FOR DEMOLITION REQUESTS WOULD APPLY. AND I THINK THAT'S, IS THAT FOUR MONTHS? WHEN WOULD, OR SIX MONTHS WHEN WOULD SEE MORATORIUM KICK IN? I MEAN, IT, IT CAN'T BE A DEFINITE WELL, IN THIS CASE, THAT'S WHAT HE'S TALK, I THINK HE'S TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. IN THIS CASE, I MEAN THE, THE, WHETHER OR NOT THE BUILDING IS DEMOLISHED IS, IS A DECISION OF THE CITY COMMISSION. YEAH. SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A, IT'S ALL ADVISORY WHEN CORRECT. ADVISORY WHEN IT COMES TO CITY ASSETS, THERE WOULD BE ZONING AND PROGRESS THAT IT WOULD BE A HISTORIC SITE. BUT EFFECTIVELY ALL THAT WOULD DO WAS, WOULD PUT IT UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THIS BOARD TO REVIEW, WHICH IT ALREADY IS BECAUSE IT'S LOCATED WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO THE ZONING AND PROGRESS CAVEAT THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FOR PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTIES OUTSIDE OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS, IT HAS A VERY DIFFERENT IMPACT HERE. IT HAS ALMOST NO IMPACT HERE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY LOCATED WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. MM-HMM . UM, AND CAN I ADD, DON'T YOU ALREADY HAVE A, AN EVALUATION REPORT THAT YOU DID BACK IN 2018? 2019? WE HAVE THIS CURRENT REPORT. THIS IS THE MOST EXTENSIVE REPORT THAT WE HAVE. OKAY. FOR THE SOUTH SHORE. WOULD, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WOULD CHANGE? UH, NO. I THINK WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IS, UH, WE LIKE TO DIVE INTO THE RESEARCH A LITTLE BIT MORE. YEAH, OF COURSE. UM, AND AGAIN, THIS WOULD REQUIRE THE FULL NOTICING PERIOD AND ADDITIONAL STAFF WORK MM-HMM . SO IT'S, I MEAN, THE EARLIEST WE COULD BRING THIS BACK WOULD PROBABLY BE, I MEAN, WHY COULD IT BE AT THE END OF THE YEAR, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER. OKAY. BUT IT COULD ALSO BE MUCH SOONER THAN NOTICING NONE OF THIS IS, UH, IS NEW TO ANYBODY. UH, I MEAN, IT WAS NOTICED TODAY. AND IF WE SHOULD, UH, VOTE TO DIRECT YOU TO MOVE FORWARD, WHY COULDN'T YOU BE BACK HERE IN A MONTH FROM NOW? WELL, BECAUSE IT DOES REQUIRE, IT DOES REQUIRE A MAIL NOTICE, A POSTING. OKAY. AND TWO MONTHS, I MEAN, IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD TAKE US MORE THAN TWO MONTHS. I MEAN, WE DO HAVE STRICT DEADLINES. OKAY. YOU KNOW, AS PART OF OUR PROCESS. AND I MEAN, THE EARLIEST WE COULD GET IT BACK TO YOU AT THIS POINT WOULD BE THE NOVEMBER MEETING. FAIR ENOUGH. I I ALSO JUST WANNA SAY THAT I THINK THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER BUILDINGS IN THIS CITY THAT HAVE, UM, THAT HAVE SIMILAR CHARACTERISTICS [04:50:01] THAT ARE BUILT WITH CONCRETE THAT WERE BUILT AROUND THIS TIME. IT WAS ALSO, IT WAS A PERIOD OF, UM, OF REALLY, OF, OF SOME GROWTH IN THE CITY. UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT OFTEN RECOGNIZED. AND I THINK THAT THE, ESPECIALLY IF THIS REPORT FOCUSES PART OF ITS EFFORTS ON THE, ON THE RESILIENCY REQUIREMENTS OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS, THIS MAY HELP, THIS RESEARCH MAY HELP OTHERS, UM, WHO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR BUILDINGS, WHETHER THEY'RE CONDOMINIUMS OR, OR INDIVIDUAL HOMES. SO ANYWAY, BUT THE REALITY IS, IS WE DON'T HAVE TO SEND THEM FOR A DESIGNATION REPORT IN ORDER TO GET THAT INFORMATION. WE COULD ASK THEM AS A DISCUSSION ITEM TO GET THE INFORMATION WITHOUT THE NECESSITY TO PREPARE A FORMAL REPORT. BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A MOMENT IN ORDER TO, WE HAVE A MOMENT IN ORDER, WE HAVE A MOMENT IN WHICH WE CAN DO THIS AND EX, UH, I THINK EXPEDITIOUSLY AND ALSO HELP US UNDERSTAND, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CITY ASSETS, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS WHAT WE, WHAT WE CAN DO. BUT ANYWAY, THAT, SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT BECAUSE IT, IT, IT, I THINK THE RESEARCH FOR, UH, OF THIS BUILDING, I THINK THIS IS AN UNDER-RESEARCHED TYPE OF BUILDING UNDER-RESEARCHED MATERIALITY OF BUILDING UNDER-RESEARCHED PERIOD OF BUILDING THAT COULD HELP US TO UNDERSTAND OUR, OUR CITY BETTER. BUT, UM, SO WITH THAT, I GUESS WE'RE JUST GONNA TAKE A VOTE ON, UM, WHETHER TO REQUEST STAFF TO, UM, TO, UH, CREATE THIS DES UH, THIS HISTORIC DESIGNATION REPORT FOR US OR NOT. SO, UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO DO THAT? CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THE STAFF PROCEED WITH THE DETAILED STUDY FOR THE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY OF DESIGNATED THE SITE AS HISTORIC SITE? THE SOUTH CENTER COMMUNITY CENTER, SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER. I'M NOT SURE THE FULL NAME. SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER. I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY. LET ME CALL THE ROLE, UM, MS. CAR MARGO? YES. MS. LOVE? NO. MR. MEYER? NO. MR. NOVIK? YES. MR. BRESLIN? NO. MR. HOWORTH? YES. MR. STEWART? YES. OKAY. SO THAT'S FOUR TO PASS. SO WE WILL, UM, PREPARE A FORMAL DESIGNATION REPORT AND BRING THAT BACK TO YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THE MOMENT YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING. OKAY, WE CAN RESUME. WILL YOU REINTRODUCE OR JUST RESUME OR, UH, I'LL JUST BRIEFLY, UM, REINTRODUCE THE ITEMS. UM, IT'S, WE'RE GOING BACK TO HPB 25 0 6 4 6. UM, THIS IS 1300 LENNOX AVENUE. UH, AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING MODIFICATIONS TO THE PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR PARTIAL DEMOLITION RENOVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME, INCLUDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN OF ATTACHED AND DETACHED ADDITIONS AND VARIANCES FROM THE REQUIRED SETBACKS, OPEN SPACE LOT COVERAGE AND RETAINING WALL REGULATIONS. UM, SPECIFICALLY THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY REQUESTING, UM, A REDUCED SCOPE OF WORK, UM, FROM WHAT THE BOARD HAD PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED. UM, AND IT IS LIMITED TO THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE CONTRIBUTING BUILDING. UM, THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED VARIANCE VARIANCES AND DESIGN OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDING HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN FROM THIS CURRENT REQUEST. UM, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION. WE STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH REGARD TO THE WINDOW OPENINGS, AND WE HAVE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OUTLINED IN OUR, UH, DRAFT ORDER. AND WITH THAT, WE CAN, I GUESS, TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT NOW. OKAY. WELCOME. MY NAME'S JOHN ROSENBLATT. UH, I, UH, I LIVE IN, UH, SOUTH, SOUTH BEACH, UH, SOUTH FIFTH. AND, UH, I JUST WANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, DO SOME SIGNIFICANT RENOVATIONS TO A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. AND THAT'S WHY I PURCHASED IT. AND, UH, I PURCHASED IT WITH APPROVED PLANS, UH, THAT IS TO SAY HISTORIC PRO APPROVED PLANS. UM, AND, UH, THE ONLY, THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT, UH, VARIATION THAT WE'RE ASKING, UH, FOR IS THAT, UH, BASICALLY WE, WE DON'T RIP APART THE BUILDING. WE JUST KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS. AND, UH, BASICALLY, UH, UH, GO AHEAD AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, RENOVATE THE INSIDE, OBVIOUSLY, UH, THERE IS A, UH, FLORIDA ROOM, EXISTING FLORIDA ROOM, WHICH WE BELIEVE HISTORICALLY DID NOT EXIST. THAT'S WHY WE'RE PLANNING TO TAKE IT DOWN AND JUST HAVE A SMALL OVERHANG, UH, OVER THE FRONT. AND, UH, THAT'S BASICALLY IT. THERE'S SOME, WE, WE DON'T NEED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, DESTROY THE WINDOW OPENINGS. UH, UH, YOU KNOW, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MY ARCHITECT, JOHN BARDY [04:55:01] FOR TECHNICAL ADVICE. UM, YES, HI. UM, I'M JOHN BARDY. I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT. SO, UH, IN THIS CASE WE ARE, UH, GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL APPROVE, UH, FOR THE ACCESSORY BUILDING AND FOR THE MAIN HOUSE. SO REDUCING THE SCOPE OF WORK, IT'S NOT RAISING THE HOUSE UP. SO, UM, I THINK THAT WE ARE, UH, KEEPING, UH, THE, UM, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE HOUSE. UH, CAN YOU PROJECT THE, UH, OKAY. SO, UM, 1300 LENNOX. SO THIS IS, UM, A PICTURE, AN OLD PICTURE, HISTORIC PICTURE THAT IT HAS THE, UM, THE ENCLOSURE. AND AS YOU SEE, UH, IT'S TO DATE, UH, THE SAME, UH, ENCLOSURE AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, BUT WE ARE NOT, UH, UH, KEEPING THE SAME STRUCTURE BECAUSE ORIGINALLY IT WAS APPROVED WITHOUT IT. SO THE, LET ME GO BACK TO THE, UM, TO THE APPROVAL. SO THIS IS THE AREA, THE FOOTPRINT THAT IT WAS ORIGINAL APPROVED. AND WE ARE NOT MODIFYING THIS, SO WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE, UH, THE AREAS. SO WE ARE NOT ASKING TO MODIFY THE, UH, THE APPROVED VARIANCES. SO IF YOU SEE HERE, SO EXACTLY, UM, SAME CONDITIONS. SO THAT'S THE, UM, PERMEABILITY, THE SEWING DIAGRAMS, THE AREA, WHICH IS MUCH AS THE ORIGINAL APPROVED ONE. SO THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL THAT IT WAS SUBMITTED. SO, UM, ACCESSORY BUILDING, AGAIN, IS NOT BEING MODIFIED. THE GARAGE, WHICH IS ALREADY BEING APPROVED, IS NOT BEING MODIFIED. SO, BUT IN HERE YOU SEE THAT THE ENCLOSURE IS, UM, CAN YOU, CAN YOU USE THE CURSOR TO, UH, YEAH, YOU CAN PROBABLY. OKAY, THERE YOU GO. OKAY. SO HERE IS THE ACCESSORY BUILDING. SO THE ACCESSORY BUILDING, WE ARE NOT MODIFYING IT FROM THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, SAME AS THE GARAGE. SO THE GARAGE, WE ARE KEEPING EXACTLY THE SAME FOOTPRINT. AND IN THIS CASE, ALSO THE ONLY MODIFICATION WE ARE DOING IS THE, UH, CANOPY, THE, UH, COVERED PORTION OF IT. UH, THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL WAS WITHOUT ANY KIND OF ROOF. SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT IT WAS PRESENTED ORIGINALLY. AND ACTUALLY, IF YOU NOTICE, WE ARE REMOVING THIS, UH, DECK. SO WE ARE MAKING IT, UH, LESS INTRUSIVE. SO WE ARE NOT ADDING THAT DECK. THAT'S INTERIOR DEMOLITION. THAT'S THE INTERIOR DEMOLITION THAT IT WAS PROPOSED ORIGINALLY. SO NOW HERE, UM, THE ROOF, ALL OF THIS ROOF, UH, REMAINS, UM, EXISTING. THIS IS THE ONE THAT IS GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED. THE ENCLOSURE, THE ENCLOSURE. AND THIS PORTION IS GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED TO, UM, ADAPT THE ADDITION OF THE, UH, GARAGE. SO THE ORIGINAL, THIS IS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THAT IT WAS SHOWING THE ENTIRE ROOF BEING THE PUL. THE INTERIOR IS, UH, UM, DIFFERENT LAYOUT. BUT I KNOW THAT INTERIOR IS LIKE NOT, UH, SIGNIFICANT FOR THIS. THE, THIS WINDOW AND THIS WINDOW WERE, UM, ORIGINALLY APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS. SO WE ARE GOING BACK TO THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE WAR. OKAY. HERE IS THE, YOU CAN SEE THE CANOPY THAT WE ARE TRYING TO, UM, TO DO FOR ENCLOSURE. OKAY. UM, WE HAVE THE EXISTING EAST ELEVATION. UH, THIS IS WHAT, UH, DAVID WAS REFERRING THE, UH, SMALLER WINDOWS BECAUSE ON THE, UH, PREVIOUSLY, UH, APPROVAL WAS, UH, ALL THE WAY TO THE FLOOR, BUT IT WAS APPROVED WITH, UH, CONDITIONS. BUT NOW THE IDEA, THIS IS EXISTING, SO THE IDEA IS TO, UM, ADJUST THAT. SO WE ARE RAISING THE WINDOW SEAL OF THOSE TWO WINDOWS, AND WE ARE CREATING ONLY A SINGLE DOOR TO ACCESS THE, UH, POOL. SO THIS IS, UH, THE, UH, TWO WINDOWS THAT IT, THAT IT WAS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FLOOR ON THE ORIGINAL, UH, APPROVAL ACCESSORY BUILDING, NO MODIFICATION. AND THAT'S THE HOUSING CONTEXT. SO THE OTHER, UH, REQUEST THAT WE ARE DOING IS NOT RAISING THE HOUSE. SO WE ARE ACTUALLY KEEPING THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE. ANY [05:00:01] QUESTIONS? I, I'LL JUST START BY JUST ASKING. THE STAFF WAS TALKING ABOUT THE EASTERN, THEY HAVE SOME CONCERNS RELATIVE TO THE WINDOW OPENINGS ALONG THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE HOME. CAN YOU GO OVER THAT IN PARTICULAR? UM, YES. WHERE EAST? OKAY. THIS IS, THIS IS THE ONE THAT IT WAS, UH, SUBMITTED ORIGINALLY FOR THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL. SO THE PREVIOUS ARCHITECT REQUESTED TO HAVE THOSE TWO WINDOWS ALL THE WAY TO THE FLOOR, BUT, UM, IT WAS APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS. SO THE CONDITION SAYS THAT THOSE TWO WINDOWS CANNOT BE ALL THE WAY TO THE FLOOR. SO IN OUR DRAWING, WE ARE ADJUSTING THAT. SO WE ARE MAKING IT, UH, HIGHER. SO WE ARE CORRECTING THE, UH, THE CONDITIONS. BUT THEY'VE MENTIONED THAT IT'S EXTENDING BEYOND THE EXISTING HORIZONTAL BANDING. WHERE, WHERE IS IT? CORRECT? CORRECT. SO HERE THAT'S THE BANDING, THE BANDINGS UP THERE. YEAH, THE, THE WHITE LITTLE STRIPES. AND IN YOUR DRAWING, WHERE, WHERE IS THE BANDING IN MY DRAWING? THE, THE BANDING IS RIGHT THERE. SO IT'S NOW, IT'S NOW LINE WITH IT, IT'S NOW IT'S IN LINE WITH THE BANDING. SO WE ARE LIKE TAKING IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, UH, OPENING FENESTRATION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, ANY, SORRY, ANYBODY ELSE? MITCH, GO AHEAD. STAFF'S RECOMMENDING APPROVAL MM-HMM . UH, WITH YOU GUYS, UH, MODIFYING YOUR PLAN, UH, AS PER THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? UH, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU MEAN THE WINDOWS, UH, THE ENTIRE PROJECT? YES. WE AGREE. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. GOT IT. AND I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT RAISING THE STRUCTURE. OKAY. ONE, ONE OF THE VARIANCES OR ONE OF THE APPROVALS OR, UM, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS TO RAISE THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE FLOOR? YEAH, I MEAN THE PLANS SHOW THAT, YEAH, THE PREVIOUS ONE, BUT NOW WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. WE DON'T WANT TO BECAUSE IT'S NOT, UH, I MEAN IT'S, WE HAVE TO TEAR THE HOUSE DOWN TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO WE ARE NOT, UH, DOING THAT. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY KEEPING THE PROPORTIONS OF THE HOUSE. OKAY. STAFF? YES. UH, I'M SORRY, UM, RAY, GO AHEAD. SO, SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FLOODING ISSUES IN THIS, I MEAN, EVERYBODY ELSE IS TALKING ABOUT HOW THERE'S HOMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE TOTALLY EMPTY AND VACANT BECAUSE THEY FLOOD ALL THE TIME AND YOU'RE GONNA SPEND THIS MONEY AND YOU'RE NOT RACING THE HOUSE AT ALL? I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I'VE NEVER SEEN A PROBLEM THERE. ROOM CHANGES, FROM, BUT YEAH, DIFFERENT AREAS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HIGHER UP THAN ON THE MICRO, THE HOUSE, THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY, UH, TWO FEET HIGHER THAN THE, UH, THAN THE STREET. SO IT HAS SOME ELEVATION. IT'S NOT UP TO THE, UH, FLOOD LEVEL, BUT IT HAS, UH, TWO FEET. IT'S NOT LIKE SLAPPING. RIGHT. ARE THERE NOT PLANS TO RACE THE STREETS IN THAT AREA? WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING THERE. UM, IS THE STAFF RECOMMEND THAT THE DESIGN OF THE NEW TWO CAR GARAGE BE FURTHER REFINED, MANNER MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL DESIGN? CAN YOU SHOW US WHAT YOU DID WITH THE TWO CAR GARAGE AND HOW IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL? UH, HOLD ON. OKAY. WELL, AT SOME POINT WE PLAN TO DO TWO DOORS, BUT UH, WE ARE KEEPING IT TO, LET ME SEE IF I HAVE A RENDER HERE. YEAH, WE ARE LIKE KEEPING IT IN TWO SEPARATE DOORS BECAUSE, UH, ONE IDEA WAS TO HAVE, UH, ALL COMBINED BUT UH, WE INTO TWO. UM, YEAH, BUT THIS GARAGE WAS ALREADY APPROVED, SO WE ARE NOT ASKING TO MODIFY ANYTHING ON THE GARAGE. SO THE NEW, WELL THAT'S, I GUESS MAYBE THAT GETS TO MY QUESTION ABOUT THE CONSOLIDATED ORDER. THE CONSOLIDATED ORDER IS, UM, BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING NOW, RIGHT? AS OPPOSED TO THE NEW? CORRECT. BUT IT CONSOLIDATES ALL OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CONDITIONS AND THE UNDERLINED CONDITIONS WOULD BE THE NEW CONDITIONS. GOT IT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU FOR HELPING WITH THAT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO. NO? NO. OKAY. UM, WITH SEEING NO QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY DISCLOSURE? NO. NO. ALRIGHT. OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. ON, ON ZOOM, I SEE UH, BRUCE CARTER. BRUCE? YES, I'M HERE. HI BRUCE. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THIS TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO INDEED. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. [05:05:02] GREAT. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR LISTENING. JUST A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, THIS PROJECT, OF COURSE, I'M THE ONE NEXT TO IT IS, YOU KNOW, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, PRE-APPROVED I GUESS IN THE BACK WAS A LOT OF PROBLEMS HERE IN THE FACT THAT THERE WAS NO CONTINUATION ASKED FOR, FOR THE PERMIT. UM, FIRST OFF, I COULD TALK TO HIM ABOUT PREVIOUS MEETING THAT THIS, I'M NOT SURE WHAT STAFF WAS THINKING WHEN THIS, THE LARGE SECTION STRUCK IN THE BACK, BUT IT'S SO OUT OF SCALE. AND DEBORAH, I WAS SO MOVED WITH THE OTHER FAMILY WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT THEIR NEED AND HOW THEY'RE HELPING CHILDREN AND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS SO SMALL AND THING WITH THIS HOUSE, WE HAVE A DEVELOPER WHO HAS LITERALLY HOMELESS PEOPLE LIVING THERE RIGHT NOW. AND I HAD GLASS YESTERDAY TO KICK A HOMELESS PERSON OUT OF MY YARD FROM THEIR YARD. SO THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AFTER HER. IT'S A DEVELOPER WHO'S LITERALLY JUST TRYING TO GET EVERY SQUARE ENTRY. AND THIS EXAMPLE OF WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED HERE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, WIDTH SCALE SETBACKS. THERE IS LITERALLY NO RULE THAT THE CITY HAS MADE TO PROTECT THE STORE, BUT THEY ARE NOT BREAKING OR NOT ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION. AND IT'S GROSS. AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO DO BECAUSE I'M JUST A RESIDENT AND I'M NOT A LAWYER. AND, UM, BUT THIS IS FOR A RESIDENT THAT LIVES NEXT DOOR. IT WAS AN EXCEPTIONAL MOMENT. AND I JUST ASKED FOR THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, HELP FROM THE BOARD. LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA HAVE ESSENTIALLY WHAT IS A LARGE SCALE FOOTING AND TWO STORIES BUILT NEXT TO ME, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY GROSS AND INSANE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE GARAGE. SURE, HE NEEDS A CAR, LET'S GIVE HIM A GARAGE. UM, I'M NOT A TERRIBLE PERSON, BUT THIS DEVELOPER HAS NOT REACHED OUT TO ME, WHICH THE BOARD, I CAN PURDUE REACH OUT TO ME AND ASK FOR SOLUTIONS. I DON'T CARE IF HE BUILT A ONE STORY STRUCTURE IN THE BACK. IT'S 3000 SQUARE FEET. HE CAN DO A HUNDRED PERCENT LOCKED PUBLIC AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. BUT TO BUILD SOMETHING SO TALL NEXT TO ME IS DISTURBING. AND THE AMOUNT THAT THE CITY IS ALLOWING HIM TO DOE IS FRANKLY JUST, IT'S WRONG. AND I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT CAN WE'VE DONE ABOUT IT. AND I ASK FOR YOUR PROFESSIONAL HELP AND, UH, AND HELP HIM CORRECT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BRUCE. IS THERE, ARE THERE OTHER, UM, I SEE NO ONE ELSE ON ZOOM. NO ON ZOOM. SO, UM, TOWARDS BRUCE'S, UH, COMMENTS ARE, WHAT, CAN YOU JUST, CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP HIM AND SURE. SO THE, THE ADDITION, THE ACCESSORY BUILDING ALONG WITH THE GARAGE WAS, AND THE VARIANCES WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THIS BOARD. UM, THE BOARD APPROVED THE PROJECT SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS. COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT DATE THAT IS? UM, THEY APPROVED THE PROJECT, LET'S SEE ON, I'M SORRY. SORRY, RAY. I'LL FIND IT HERE. UM, I THINK IT'S TWO MARCH 8TH, 2022. YEP. . OKAY. SO, SO THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED. THAT ORDER IS STILL ACTIVE AND VALID. THEY CAN BUILD THAT. THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, THEN SUBMIT FOR PERMIT AND PULL THEIR, THEY'VE ALREADY TRIED TO SUBMIT FOR SOME PERMITS. THE OWNER I'VE, I'VE SPOKEN WITH DOES WANT TO CONSTRUCT THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. HE'S BEEN, SHE'S BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF TO TRY AND GET A PERMIT WITH THE CHANGES THAT WERE PROPOSED. UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD DETERMINED THAT THAT EXCEEDED STAFF'S ABILITY TO REVIEW ADMINISTRATIVELY, AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE GOING BACK TO THE BOARD. UM, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM BACK AND FORTH. THEY HAVE NOW DECIDED NOT TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE ACCESSORY BUILDING TO CONTINUE IN THE GARAGE TO CONTINUE WITH THAT. BUT THEY STILL WANT TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE CONTRIBUTING BUILDING THAN WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. UM, THIS PARTICULAR, THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROJECT DID CONTEMPLATE AND WAS APPROVED TO RAISE THE FLOOR THAT REQUIRED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DEMOLITION. UM, AND SO THEY CAME BACK TO US TO, TO, UM, PROPOSE NOT TO RAISE THE FLOOR, TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF DEMOLITION. UM, AND, AND STEPH HAS NO OBJECTION TO THAT. SO, UM, 'CAUSE LAST TIME WHEN THEY CAME BEFORE US, WE ASKED THAT THEY TALKED TO BRUCE, BUT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE, UH, THE ACCESSORY BUILDING AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE TAKEN OUT OF OUR, OUT OF THIS PACKAGE ESSENTIALLY. CORRECT. THAT'S NOT PART OF THE REQUEST ANYMORE, RIGHT? YOU SAID? OH, I'M SORRY. YES. UH, [05:10:01] NO. GO. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, . THAT'S ALL RIGHT. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. IT HAS BEEN A LONG DAY. THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING. UM, MY NAME IS TUCKER GIBBS WITH LAW OFFICES AT 38 35 UTOPIA COURT IN COCONUT GROVE. UM, I WAS HERE LAST MONTH AND I MADE A LENGTHY PRESENTATION. UM, I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT IT. HOWEVER, THERE ARE TWO NEW MEMBERS OF, OF THIS BOARD, AND I DON'T KNOW ANY WAY THAT I CAN MAKE A NON PRESENTATION WITHOUT CREATING A PROBLEM FOR THE DECISION, WHATEVER DECISION IT IS YOU'RE GONNA MAKE. AND SO I APOLOGIZE, I WILL GO VERY FAST. AND, UM, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK YOU NEED? IT'S THE SAME APP. I DON'T REMEMBER LAST TIME YOU ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION, BUT, UH, I ASKED FOR SEVERAL EXTENSIONS, , AND, AND, AND WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA READ THE WHOLE DOGGONE THING, AND I'M GOING TO DO IT VERY, VERY FAST SO WE CAN HAVE IT TRANSCRIPT MADE, WHATEVER, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO. FIVE. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY EVERYTHING I SAID BEFORE, SO, BUT YOU'LL, OKAY. LET'S SEE HOW YOUR READING SKILLS ARE WITH MY, YEAH, WITH MY APOLOGIES. UM, AGAIN, I REPRESENT BRUCE CARTER, WHO YOU JUST HEARD FROM, WHO OWNS AND LIVES AT 31 13 10 LENNOX AVENUE IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY. I HAVE TWO CONCERNS WITH THE POSTURE OF THIS APPLICATION. THE APPLICATION CANNOT BE CONSIDERED AS A MODIFICATION OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD ORDER APPROVED ON MARCH 8TH, 2022, UH, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT FAILED TO RETAIN A FULL BUILDING PERMIT WITHIN THE REQUIRED 18 MONTHS OF THAT DATE, UM, THE APPLICANT ALSO REQUESTED AN EXTENSION THAT WAS ERRONEOUSLY BASED ON THE JUNE 24TH, 20 2021 GOVERNOR'S EMERGENCY ORDER ON THE CHAMPAGNE. THE CHAMPAGNE CONDOMINIUM COLLAPSE THAT DID NOT AUTHORIZE AN EXTENSION OF TIME FOR PERMITS OTHER THAN AUTHORIZATIONS. UM, BECAUSE ALSO THE GOVERNOR DID NOT REFERENCE IN HIS ORDER FLORIDA STATUTE 2 52 0.3 63, WHICH AUTHORIZES THE GRANTS OF EXTENSIONS OF TIME FOR DEVELOPMENT PERMITS, AUTHORIZATIONS LIKE THE 2022 HPB ORDER, UM, EXCUSE ME. AND BECAUSE 2005, 2.5, UH, 6 56, UH, EXCUSE ME, 360 3 SPECIFICALLY APPLIES TO A NATURAL EMERGENCY. IN THE 2021 EMERGENCY ORDER BY THE GOVERNOR ADDRESSED THE CHAMPAGNE COLLAPSE. FLORIDA STATUTE 2 52 34 8 DEFINES THE NATURAL EMERGENCY AS CAUSED BY A NATURAL EVENT, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, LIMITED STORM, HURRICANE, STORM, FLOOD, SEVERE WAVE ACTION, DROUGHT, OR EARTHQUAKE. BECAUSE THE COLLAPSE IS NOT A NATURAL EMERGENCY, THE APPLICANT CANNOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SECTION 2 52 0.3 63 TO EXTEND THE 2022 HPB ORDER. FURTHERMORE, THE HPB ORDER IS NULL AND VOID PURSUANT TO CODE SECTION TWO 13 DI BECAUSE THE APPLICANT FAILED TO OBTAIN OR A FULL OR ANY KIND OF BUILDING PERMIT WITHIN 18 MONTHS AFTER THE HPB ORDER WAS APPROVED, THE ONLY BUILDING PERMIT THAT WAS ISSUED WAS ISSUED ON AUGUST 2ND, 2024, WHICH IS BR 24 0 9 5 97 ERRONEOUSLY BASED ON THE GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER IN 2021. THIS RENDERS ANY CITY APPROVAL APPROVAL OF THE BUILDING AS NULL AND VOID. THE SECOND CONCERN CONSIDERS THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY VARIANCE ACCORDING TO THE ZONING CODE. IF THE VARIANCE, IF THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY VARIANCE IS NOT PERMITTED, IS NOT PERMITTED AS LISTED IN SECTION 2.8 0.3 B, THE APPLICANT MUST MEET THE EIGHT CRITERIA FOR A HARDSHIP VARIANCE. BUT SECTION EIGHT POINT B HAS NO LIST OF CRITERIA. THERE'S NOTHING THERE THAT HAS A REVIEW LIST. IT IS BLANK FOR PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES VARIANCE. SO YOU HAVE NO STANDARDS IN YOUR CODE FOR A, UH, PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY DETERMINATION. UM, AND LET'S SEE, THE APPLICANT, IT'S NOT PERMITTED AS LISTED IN EIGHT IS SECTION IN SECTION 2.8 0.3 B. THE APPLICANT MUST MEET EIGHT CRITERIA FOR A HARDSHIP VARIANCE. UM, BUT SECTION 2.8 0.3 B HAS NO SUCH LIST OF OH CRITERIA. UM, IT'S BLANK EXCEPT FOR THE WORD RESERVED. THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY IN THE CITY CODE OR IN THE RELATED SPECIAL ACTS, NOR IS THERE ANY DEFINITION IN FLORIDA STATUTES OR FLORIDA CASE LAW. THIS PROVIDES NO GUIDANCE TO THE HPB WHEN IT DECIDES WHETHER TO APPROVE A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES VARIANCE. THERE IS NO BASIS FOR ANY SUCH DECISION WITHOUT STANDARDS OR CRITERIA. THIS LEAVES YOU [05:15:01] WITH THE CRITERIA REQUIRED FOR THE HARDSHIP VARIANCE. NONE OF THE PROPOSED VARIANCES MEET THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA. THE APPLICANT DOES NOT MEET THE HARDSHIP REQUIREMENT AND CRITERIA FOUR, WHERE IT FAILED TO SHOW THAT EACH OF THE SETBACK LOT SIZE AND REQUIRED SIDE YARD VARI, UH, SETBACKS ARE COMMONLY ENJOYED BY OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT. AND WHERE IT IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO USE THE LAND FOR THE PURPOSE OR IN THE MANNER IN WHICH IT IS ZONED, UH, HEMISPHERIC HEMISPHERE EPI, UM, EQUITY VERSUS KEY BISCAYNE PROPERTY, TAXPAYERS DADE COUNTY VERSUS BRENNAN, AND ARE THE CITATIONS FOR THAT. NONE OF THE VARIANCES ARE THE MINIMUM VARIANCES THAT WOULD ALLOW THE REASONABLE USE OF THE LAND BUILDING STRUCTURE AS REQUIRED IN CRITERIA FIVE, WHERE FLORIDA CASE LAW HOLDS THAT AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT CAN DEVELOP OR BUILD OR USE THE LAND BUILDING OR STRUCTURE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE, THE APPLICANT HAS NO NEED FOR A VARIANCE HERRERA VERSUS CITY OF MIAMI 1992. ANY CLAIM THAT SEA LEVEL RISE IS A SPECIAL CONDITION WHICH IS PECULIAR TO THE LAND STRUCTURES OR BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY AND ARE NOT SHARED WITH OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE R FOUR ZONING DISTRICT FAILS WHERE SUCH CLAIMS ARE SHARED BY VIRTUALLY EVERY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNER ON MIAMI BEACH. VARIANCE REQUESTS WILL GIVE THE, I'M GOING AS FAST AS AS I CAN GO. HOW MANY, HOW MANY MORE MINUTES? LIKE THREE I I'M PROBABLY GONNA HAVE ABOUT, OH YEAH, I'M ALMOST OVER. YES. THREE MINUTES. PERFECT. UH, THE VARIANCE REQUEST WILL GIVE THE APPLICANT A SPECIAL PRIVILEGE NOT SHARED BY, UH, SHARED WITH OTHER PROPERTIES WITHIN THE RS FOUR ZONING DISTRICT. THIS APPLICATION, APPLICANT'S VARIANCE REQUESTS ARE UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY AND GIVES NO RIGHTS TO ITS NEIGHBORS TO OBTAIN SIMILAR BENEFITS. THESE EIGHT VARIANCES ARE BASED, THESE VARIANCES ARE BASED NOT ON NECESSITY, BUT ON THE APPLICANT'S CHOICE TO BUILD THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN. THE CODE AND CASE LAW ARE CLEAR. IF YOU CAN BUILD A CODE COMPLIANT PROJECT, EVEN A SMALLER ONE, YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO A VARIANCE THAT'S FLORIDA LAW. HERE THE APPLICANT CAN BUILD A CODE COMPLIANT PROJECT ON ITS PROPERTY WITHOUT THE NEED FOR A VARIANCE. THEREFORE, THE VARIANCE REQUEST SHOULD BE DENIED. AND FINALLY, THE APPLICANT'S PROBE PROPOSAL AND PRESENTATION FAILED TO PRESENT ANY COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT IT MEETS THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. IT DOES NOT MEET STANDARD NINE OF THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS WHERE THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE SITE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE MASSING AND SCALE OF ITS NEIGHBOR. THE APPLICANT AND STAFF REPORT HAVE NOT SHOWN CONSISTENCY REGARDING AESTHETICS, APPEARANCE, PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES OF THE PROJECT IN RELATION TO THE SITE ADJACENT STRUCTURES AND PROPERTIES IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. AS REQUIRED IN CRITERION FOUR, THE PROPOSED LAYOUT AND DESIGN OF THE SITE, GIVEN THE VARIANCE REQUEST, OVERBUILDS THE LOT AND PAYS LITTLE, IF ANY, ATTENTION TO ITS NEIGHBORS CONTRARY TO CRITERION FIVE. FOR ALL THESE REASONS, I URGE YOU TO DENY THE APPLICATION AND DIRECT THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK WITH A PROJECT THAT BETTER FITS WITHIN THE UNIQUE, WITHIN THIS UNIQUE SINGLE FAMILY HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. UM, CAN I ASK IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC, UH, ANY, ANY, UH, BOARD DISCLOSURES RELATED TO THIS? OKAY. SEEING NONE. UM, LINDSAY, ANY DISCLOSURES RELATED TO THIS? NO. OKAY. SO, UM, YES, PLEASE. RIGHT, ANDREW ELLI FROM 1210 MICHIGAN. UM, BEFORE I READ THE LETTER I PREPARED, I WANTED TO JUST SAY A COUPLE THINGS. UM, JOHN CONTACTED ME WHEN SOMEONE HAD BROKEN INTO 1300 LENNOX, AND I MET HIM THERE WITH A BOUNCER FROM A NIGHTCLUB THAT I KNEW WHO LIKE STAYED THERE AND HE PAID HIM BY THE HOUR UNTIL HE WAS ABLE TO SECURE THE PROPERLY PROPERLY. SO SOME COMMENTS THAT HE LET HOMELESS LIVE THERE, I THINK IS INACCURATE. UM, IN REGARD TO THE FLOODING, I'M VERY FAMILIAR BECAUSE I JUST PREPARED FOR 1210 MICHIGAN. LENNOX LITERALLY GOES DOWN AROUND THREE FEET FROM BETWEEN 13TH STREET AND 12TH STREET. AND ALSO WHEN YOU'RE HEADING FROM ALTON ROAD DOWN TOWARDS MICHIGAN AVENUE, IT ALSO GOES DOWN A COUPLE FEET. SO JOHN MIGHT BE SEVERAL FEET HIGHER THAN OTHER HOMES IN THE AREA. UM, DEAR MIAMI BEACH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEMBERS, I'M HERE TO CONVEY MY SUPPORT FOR JOHN ROSENBLATT'S PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY AT 1300 LENNOX AVENUE. I'VE KNOWN JOHN FOR 11 YEARS AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IMPRESSED WITH JOHN SERVICE TO OUR SOUTH BEACH COMMUNITY, ALWAYS BEING PROACTIVE AND CONTRIBUTING TO OUR COMMUNITY, BOTH AS AN ACCOMPLISHED REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER AND AS A LOCAL RESIDENT. JOHN IS CURRENTLY A BOARD MEMBER AT THE YACHT CLUB OF PORTO VINNO CONDO, WHERE TOGETHER WE OWN FOUR LARGE UNITS, INCLUDING THE PENTHOUSE WHERE JOHN LIVES. FOR 40 YEARS, JOHN HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION, FIRST IN PRO PROVIDENCE, RHODE ISLAND, AND MORE RECENTLY HERE IN MIAMI BEACH. THE ISSUE AT HAND [05:20:01] TODAY IS EXTREMELY MINOR AND SIMPLY PROVIDES THE PROPERTY AT 1300 WITH IT. THE MUCH NEEDED FACELIFT THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD WELCOME AND INCENTIVIZE THE EXTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY WILL REMAIN THE SAME WITH ONLY SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS. RETURNING THE SOUTH FACADE TO ITS ORIGINAL HISTORIC APPEARANCE BY REMOVING A SMALL PIECE OF THE FLORIDA ROOM, A SMALL GARAGE IS ADDED, BUT OTHERWISE THE FACADE MAINTAINS ITS ORIGINAL MEDITERRANEAN REVIVAL LOOK ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THE PROPERTY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IN APPEARANCE. I'VE MET WITH JOHN SEVERAL TIMES WHO HAS EXPRESSED A MUCH WELCOME LOVE FOR OUR FLAMINGO PARK WEST NEIGHBORHOOD. I BUMPED INTO JOHN AT, AT ITS ANNUAL MEETING SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, WHERE HE WAS VOCAL IN HIS STRONG COMMITMENT TO IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY INVESTING THE REQUISITE CAPITAL BOTH OF HIS TIME AND CHECKBOOK, TO FURTHER THE DESPERATELY NEEDED PROPERTY IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED TO COMBAT THE VERY SERIOUS CHALLENGES AND PROBLEMS THAT HAVE RECENTLY PLAGUED A RESIDENCE, NAMELY BLIGHT DUE TO RESIDENTS MOVING OUT OF THEIR HOMES AND BECOMING VICTIMS TO HOMELESS QUARTERS. IRONICALLY, BROKE INTO THE VERY PROPERTY IN QUESTION TODAY, AS JOHN ENCOUNTERED UNFORTUNATE DELAYS IN ATTEMPTING TO GAIN THE BOARD'S APPROVAL. PLEASE APPROVE 1300 LENNOX TODAY. SO JOHN MAY PULL THE ACQUIRED BUILDING PERMIT AND PROVE OUR COMMUNITY AT HIS EARLIEST CONVENIENCE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. ALRIGHT, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER NOBODY ELSE ON ZOOM? NOBODY ELSE HERE. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UM, START WITH BOARD MEMBER COMMENT. RAY, MY QUESTION MIGHT BE TO NICK, UM, IF IN FACT THE, UM, PROJECT WAS APPROVED BACK IN MARCH OF 21, I BELIEVE, OR WHATEVER, UM, 22 AND, AND THEY DIDN'T GET THEIR BUILDING PERMIT WITHIN THE 18 MONTH PERIOD OF TIME, DOES THAT, IS THAT TRUE THAT IT NOW HAS TO GO BACK AND BE REPRESENTEDED TO US? BECAUSE I PERSONALLY CAN'T IMAGINE ANY PREVIOUS BOARD ACCEPTING THE AUXILIARY BUILDING AS I SEE IT HERE. BUT IF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, WHAT ARE OUR, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS RIGHT NOW? SO, UM, THE GENERAL RULE IS THAT AN APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO OBTAIN A BILL, A FULL BUILDING PERMIT WITHIN 18 MONTHS OF THE DECISION OF THE BOARD TO APPROVE A PROJECT. UM, UNDER STATE LAW, THE DECLARATION OF A STATE OF EMERGENCY BY THE GOVERNOR TOLLS THE PERIOD THAT, UH, THAT AN APPLICANT HAS TO EXERCISE, UH, HIS OR HER RIGHTS UNDER A DEVELOPMENT ORDER FOR A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME, AND ALSO PROVIDES FOR ADDITIONAL EXTENSIONS. UM, SO ASSUMING THAT THE, THAT THE, THAT THE ORIGINAL, UH, HPV APPROVAL IS, IS STILL ACTIVE, THE APPLICANT COULD STILL BUILD BASED ON THAT, UM, ON THAT APPROVAL. BUT THE APPLICANT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY TO MAKE, UH, CERTAIN CHANGES TO THE 2022 HPB ORDER. NOW, I DO WANNA MAKE ONE NOTE FOR THE RECORD, WHICH IS, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS, HAS WITHDRAWN ANY REQUEST TO MODIFY, UH, THE VARIANCES THAT WERE GRANTED. SO, UH, SO YOUR, YOUR DECISION TODAY WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. OKAY. THEN ONE FURTHER QUESTION, WHAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN MARCH OF 21 OR WHATEVER. ALSO, PART OF THAT WAS RAISING THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING AND NOW THEY'RE NOT ONE. SO BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING THAT CHANGE TO THE, UH, WHAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN IN 2021, DOESN'T THAT NEGATE THE ENTIRE THING EITHER? WE LET THEM BUILD WHAT THEY WERE APPROVED BACK THEN, BUT IF THEY WANNA MAKE A CHANGE, THEY HAVE TO PUT IT, THEY HAVE TO PUT EVERYTHING IN FRONT OF US FOR A CHANGE. I MEAN, I THINK IF YOU HAVE BASED, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE BOARD LANDS, UM, YOU, YOU HAVE AUTHORITY TO IMPOSE CONDITIONS ON YOUR APPROVALS. RIGHT. SO I THINK, UM, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, I I WITH SOME GUIDANCE FROM, FROM DEBBIE, YOU, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE DISCRETION TO CONDITION YOUR APPROVAL ON, UH, ON, YOU KNOW, ON OTHER DESIGN CHANGES. I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD ADVISE THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, TO STAY AS CLOSE TO THE, TO THE REQUESTED MODIFICATIONS AS AS YOU CAN. BUT YOU CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, AS ALWAYS YOU HAVE AUTHORITY TO IMPOSE CONDITIONS. SO, SO IF WE DENY THE REQUEST FOR MODIFICATION RIGHT NOW, THEY WOULD HAVE TO RAISE THE BUILDING PURSUANT TO THE 2022 APPROVAL? YES. OKAY. AND JUST FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, SO DEBBIE, YOUR, YOUR REC YOUR RECOMMENDATION THOUGH IS NOT TO I IS TO [05:25:01] YOU IN SOME SENSE FIND THIS TO BE A MORE APPROPRIATE, UM, RESULT THAN THE RAISING THE BUILDING. IT CERTAINLY PRESERVES A LOT MORE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR REVIEW CRITERIA. EXACTLY. UM, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF DEMOLITION REQUIRED FOR THE RAISING WAS SUBSTANTIAL. MM-HMM . UM, THIS IS A MUCH LOWER INTERVENTION PROJECT, UM, AND WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF IT. UH, ELIZABETH AND THEN RAY, JUST ONE COMMENT. 'CAUSE I THINK WHEN THE, UM, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WAS APPROVED WAS APPROVED NEXT TO A MUCH HIGHER HOME, NOW THE HOME IS REMAINING AT THE LOWER LEVEL. AND I THINK THE SCALE BETWEEN THE TWO STRUCTURES GOT LOST IN THE PROCESS. AND I'M NOT SURE HOW WE CAN RECTIFY THAT IF THERE IS A, A LEGAL PROCESS TO DO THAT. HMM. UM, RAY DID YOU WANT TO, WELL, JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE PERSONALLY I, EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS, BUT WHEN I SAW THAT AUXILIARY BUILDING, IT'S SO OUT OF ITS SCALE, OUT OF CONTEXT, ANYTHING WITH, WITH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THEM AND HOWEVER WE DO THIS AND SAY, OKAY, IF YOU NO LONGER WANNA RAISE THE BUILDING AND SPEND ALL OF THAT MONEY TO RAISE THE BUILDING AND YOU WANT TO KEEP IT WHERE IT IS NOW COME BACK TO US WITH A REDESIGN FOR THE AUXILIARY BUILDING AND, AND, UH, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. I DUNNO HOW ELSE TO DO THAT. I, IS THAT, IS THAT AN OPTION? I MEAN, I, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PROPORTION, THAT TYPE OF CONDITION IS PROPORTIONAL TO THE REQUEST. THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A, A PROPORTIONALITY WITH THAT CONDITION TO WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED. WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED IS ESSENTIALLY RELATIVELY MINOR MODIFICATION. UM, AND I THINK TO SAY THAT IT NEEDS A COMPLETE REDESIGN OF EVERYTHING IS, YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IS, IS NOT PROPORTIONAL. IS THAT, IS THAT CONCEPT OF PROPORTIONALITY A LEGAL CONCEPT? YES. AND WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, GOING TOO FAR ASTRAY, THE BOARD MAY, SOME, SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL THE, THE MANGOES, UM, CAFE CASE WHERE THE BOARD IMPOSED A DESIGN CONDITION, UH, RELATED TO THE AWNINGS THAT WAS, UM, UH, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BROADER THAN THE PORTION OF THE AWNING THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY BEFORE THE BOARD. UM, AND, AND IN THAT CASE, THE, YOU KNOW, STAFF DID, UH, UH, AN ANALYSIS ARTICULATING WHY THE, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. UM, EVEN THOUGH IT, IT MIGHT HAVE APPEARED TO THE APPLICANT TO EXCEED THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS INITIALLY SEEKING, UM, WHY IT, YOU KNOW, WHY THAT CONDITION WAS, WAS, UM, WAS, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. SO I THINK, UM, IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I SAY THAT THE BOARD HAS AUTHORITY TO IMPOSE CONDITIONS, I WHAT I, AND I I SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEAR, UM, I'M REFERRING TO, YOU KNOW, AS TO WHAT'S BEFORE YOU, RIGHT? WHAT'S BEFORE YOU IS A, IS A, IS A NARROW REQUEST TO MODIFY THE 2022 ORDER. WELL, YOU SAY IT'S A MODEST REQUEST, WE'RE CHANGING FROM RAISING THE BUILDING AND, AND ALL OF THE CHANGES WOULD'VE GONE IN EXPENSE FOR THAT TO PUTTING IT BACK TO WHERE IT IS NOW, UH, THAT, THAT'S NOT EXACTLY MINOR. AND, AND YOU KNOW, WITH OUR, IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR REVIEW CRITERIA, IT'S ACTUALLY SATISFIES MORE OF THEM BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE PRESERVING A LOT MORE OF THE BUILDING AS CURRENTLY PRESENTED AND NOT REQUIRING SUBSTANTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING. SO FROM A PURELY HISTORIC PRESERVATION PERSPECTIVE, IT IS MORE CONSISTENT NOW WITH OUR REVIEW CRITERIA BECAUSE MORE OF THE CONTRIBUTING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, MORE OF THE CONTRIBUTING BUILDING IS BEING RETAINED AND RESTORED. CAN I ASK FOR A STRAW POLL? HOW MANY ON THIS BOARD RIGHT NOW ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE AUXILIARY BUILDING THAT THEY SAW IN THE PLAN TODAY? WELL, CAN I JUST MODIFY YOUR STRUGGLE, BUT JUST BECAUSE WITH OUR HAPPINESS WITH THAT BUILDING, MAY, WE MAY FEEL IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT RELEVANT TO THE CRITERIA AGAINST WHICH WE ARE OBLIGED TO EVALUATE THE APPLICATION THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHY THAT'S ONLY REASONABLE EXCEPT FOR DENYING THE APPLICATION. I MIGHT FORCE THEM TO COME BACK. AND I, I, WASN'T I ON THE BOARD WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT HAPPENED AND NEITHER WERE YOU? I GUESS, UM, [05:30:01] I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS, BUT UM, YEAH, IT'S, BUT SO IT'S KIND OF WEIRD. LIKE IT'S JUST A 'CAUSE THERE IN SOME SENSE THAT, THAT AUXILIARY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE HELPING US THINK ABOUT IT AS A KIND OF AN EXISTING CONDITION IN THIS CONTEXT. SO IF WE WENT TO THE SITE TODAY, WE WOULD SEE THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING WITH NO AUXILIARY, UM, WITH NO AUXILIARY BUILDING AT ALL. SO IN A SENSE IT'S BOTH AN, IT IS LIKE, IT'S LIKE SCHRODINGER'S CAT, IT'S LIKE BOTH DEAD AND ALIVE. IT'S BOTH EXISTING AND EXISTING CONDITION AND NOT, NOT EXISTING YET. SO IT'S, UM, IT, WHICH MAKES IT, WHICH MAKES IT KIND OF, UH, DIFFICULT KIND OF AS A, AS A, TO THINK ABOUT. BECAUSE ON THE ONE HAND, IT'S A PROJECT THAT HASN'T BEEN BUILT AND WE COULD, SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT A CONDITION ON IT TO SAY, OKAY, BRING IT DOWN TO SCALE, TO THE SCALE OF THE, OF THE PROJECT THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING. 'CAUSE YOU'RE SAVING A LOT OF MONEY, YOU'RE PRESERVING THE BUILDING. WE LIKE YOU LIKE THAT. WE LIKE THAT. AND SO NOW MAYBE THE EXIST, MAYBE THE, THIS NEW, THIS AUXILIARY BUILDING SHOULD BE TO THAT SCALE AS WELL. UM, BUT, UH, BUT YOU'RE ARGUING THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY THE CASE. THE THE WAY WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT IT, WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT IT AS THE KIND OF THE APPROVED AUXILIARY BUILDING STRUCTURE BEING KIND OF EXISTING. IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A MODIFICATION TO THAT ORDER, RIGHT? YEAH. RIGHT, RIGHT. COULD I SAY SOMETHING? UM, JUST WAIT, WE'RE JUST DOING THE BOARD, UH, BOARD STUFF, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME, YOU CAN'T SAY IT FROM THE CHAIR 'CAUSE NOBODY WILL HEAR YOU. BUT, UM, UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS? I WANNA, I WANNA EXPLAIN SOMETHING. THE IMAGE YOU SEE IS NOT WHAT THE BUILDING'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. IT'S A 500 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT. IT'S TINY. THE UNFORTUNATELY, THE WAY THESE, SOME OF THESE, UH, DRAWINGS TURN OUT, THEY LOOK MASSIVE. IT'S GOT TO BE, IT'S GOTTA START AT EIGHT FEET, RIGHT? IT'S A NEW CONSTRUCTION. OBVIOUSLY WE'D RATHER HAVE IT LOWER, BUT WE CAN'T. SO YES, IT'S TWO STORIES, BUT IT'S NOT BIG AND IT'S SURROUNDED BY HUGE AMOUNT OF HEDGES. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT UP 12 TO 15 FOOT TREES. NO ONE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE IT. BASICALLY. IT'S ON AN ALLEY, RIGHT? IT'S ON, ON LENNOX ALLEY. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE IMPOSED. THANK YOU. BECAUSE IT LOOKS HUGE IN THE RENOVATION IN THE, IN THE IN PACKET HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE. NO, IT'S, IT'S NOT. IT'S FIVE AND SQUARE FEET. OKAY. IT'S, IT'S 10 FEET WIDE. IT'S, IT'S FROM HERE TO THERE FOR GOD'S SAKES. UH, I, ANYWAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, THANK YOU. SO, UM, ANY, UH, ANY GUIDANCE? UH, SO DEBBIE, UM, THE, THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL WAS RAISING THE HOME APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET. IF YOU LOOK AT THE APPROVED ACCESSORY BUILDING IT, IT DOES HAVE ABOUT A 36 INCH MM-HMM . PARAPET ABOVE THE ROOF. UM, SO IT, TO ELIZABETH'S POINT, IF THE BOARD WANTED TO RETAIN THE, THE PROPORTIONS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING VERSUS THE NEW BUILDING, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE MAYBE TO REQUIRE LOWERING THE PITT FOR THE, FOR THE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD THEN RETAIN THE APPROVED KIND OF RELATIONSHIP. IN TERMS OF HEIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET DOWN TO A ZERO PARAPET, BUT I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A, YOU KNOW, 36 INCHES NECESSARILY. AND THERE MIGHT BE, THERE MIGHT BE A MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ON THERE. POSSIBLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS OF THAT BUILDING OR IT'S, UM, OR THE, YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THE SET, THE, THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED MM-HMM. THE ROOF PLANT. I MEAN THERE, THERE IS ROOM ON THE SITE TO RELOCATE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT MM-HMM . TO THE GROUND LEVEL. OKAY. THAT, I MEAN THAT, THAT JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO JUST RESPONDING TO ELIZABETH'S, YOU KNOW, COMMENT MM-HMM . MM-HMM . THAT WOULD REALLY BRING EVERYTHING BACK DOWN PROPORTIONALLY TO HOW IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED. 'CAUSE, 'CAUSE THE EXISTING HOME WOULD COME DOWN AND THE ACCESSORY BUILDING WOULD COME DOWN, AND THAT WOULD BE WITHIN OUR, IT WOULD NOT BE OUT OF PROPORTION. NICK, YOU GOTTA HELP US HERE. JUST ONE SEC. JUST LET'S SEE WHAT HE SAID. LET'S SEE WHAT THESE GUYS SAY. [05:35:05] I THINK THAT THEY'RE BASED ON, UM, ON STAFF'S ANALYSIS. I THINK THAT, UM, THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE CONDITION TO IMPOSE ON THE APPLICATIONS BEFORE YOU, UM, IT'S WITHIN YOUR, YOUR REVIEW CRITERIA. I THINK IT WOULD, UH, IMPROVE THE, THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE TWO STRUCTURES. SO I MEAN, BUT TO BRING IT DOWN TO ONE STORY WOULD NOT, WOULD BE DISPROPORTIONATE. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK SO THAT WAS, YES. OKAY. GO AHEAD. YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? YEAH, NO, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE PARAPET BECAUSE, UH, THE PREVIOUS ARCHITECT PROPOSED ACTUALLY, UH, A GENERATOR UP THERE MM-HMM . SO OBVIOUSLY WITH A GENERATOR, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, WE HAVE TO HAVE, UH, PARAPETS BUT LOWERING THE HOUSE TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS LIKE, UH, AS DEBBIE SAID, THREE FEET, THEN WITHOUT NOT HAVING ANY EQUIPMENT. SO WE CAN LOWER THE PARAPET DOWN TO ZERO, UH, WHICH IS THREE FEET. SO IN PROPORTION IS GOING TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME BECAUSE REDUCING THREE FEET ON BUILDINGS IS GONNA MATCH THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL. OKAY. AND YOU'LL FIND ANOTHER LOCATION FOR THE GENERATOR. CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. ELIZABETH, THAT SEEMED LIKE A THOUGHT. NO, LIKE, UH, I WAS LOOKING AT THE PLANS AND IN SOME PLANS THEY SHOW A CIRCULAR STAIR ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND IN OTHERS A SQUARE STAIR. I WAS JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW WHICH KIND OF STAIR YOU'RE HAVING THERE. DO YOU WANT, JOHN, DO YOU WANNA COME BACK AND JUST ADDRESS THE STAIR IN THE AUXILIARY BUILDING? YEAH, IT'S BECAUSE, UM, IT'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL FROM THE PREVIOUS ARCHITECT AND OUR PROPOSAL. SO THE PREVIOUS, UH, PROPOSAL, UH, A RECTANGULAR STAIRCASE AND WE ARE, UH, PROPOSING A CIRCULAR, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE INTERIOR, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE EXTERIOR. UNDERSTOOD. THANK MM-HMM . ALRIGHT. WHAT IS THE ACTUAL HEIGHT OF THE AUXILIARY BUILDING? OH, THAT I HAVE, UH, 31, UM, WELL, 31.67 FEET AND GVD, SO YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S THE HEIGHT. AND SO IT'S, BUT TO THE ROOF, IT'S 28.67 AND GVD. SO THAT'S THREE FEET, EXACTLY THREE FEET FROM THE ROOF TO THE TOP OF THE PARAPET. SO THEN THERE WAS NO VARIANCE WHEN THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED FOR HEIGHT RIGHT THERE, THERE WAS NO HEIGHT VARIANCE REQUIRED, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE NO VARIANCES EITHER, AS NICK POINTED OUT. CORRECT. GOT IT. OKAY. I THINK WE'VE, UM, HAD A LOT OF TIME TO LOOK AT THIS AND THINK ABOUT THIS. UM, IS ANYBODY PREPARED TO PUT A MO PUT FORWARD A MOTION AS THE APPLICANT AGREED TO LOWER THE HEIGHT OF THE EXHIBIT? YES. ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. EVERYBODY'S FROZEN. FROZEN SOLID . IS THE APPLICANT ACTIVELY WORKING ON CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR THAT? WAIT, WAIT. IF, IF YOU ANSWER, PLEASE COME TO THE PLEASE COME TO THE, UH, PODIUM. YES, WE ARE. HOW FAR ALONG ARE YOU, UH, FOR THE ACCESSORY BUILDING? UH, WE HAVE IT LIKE, UH, 80%, 80%, 80%. 80, 80%. BUT WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T PRESENTED YET FOR PERMITS, BUT FOR THE MAIN HOUSE WE ARE LIKE 90% OR 95% OF THE MAIN HOUSE. GOTCHA. OKAY, THANKS. WE ARE ON THE, UH, THIRD CYCLE OF COMMENT. SO IT IS THE FINAL. OKAY. UM, ANYBODY WISH TO SET FORTH A MOTION? I WILL. FOR THE RECORD, I DO NOT SUPPORT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT ALL IN ANY WAY, BUT I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, UM, THAT IT, UM, BE APPROVED AS SHOWN IN OUR THE DRAWINGS AS PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, IS ANYBODY, DO YOU, UM, JUST BEFORE ANYBODY SECONDS THAT, WERE YOU THINKING ALSO ABOUT THE REDUCTION IN THE HEIGHT OF THE, I ASSUMED HE AGREED THAT HE WOULD REDUCE THE PARAPET. YOU HAVE TO PUT THAT IN THE MOTION. I'M SORRY. AND ADDED TO THAT IS THE REDUCTION OF THE, UH, PARAPET HEIGHT ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND TO RELOCATE YOUR UTILITIES SOMEWHERE ON SITE HIDDEN SCREENED PER CODE. THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. THANK. OKAY. [05:40:01] LET ME CALL THE ROLL MS CAR. MARGO ? YEP. YES, I MIX IT UP. SO. OKAY. MS. LOVELL? YES. MR. MEYER? NO. MR. BRESLIN? YES. MR. NOVIK? YES. MR. HOLLINGWORTH? YES. MR. STEWART? YES. OKAY. THAT PASSES. OKAY, MR. CHAIR. UM, THAT CONCLUDES OUR AGENDA FOR THIS, UH, THIS AFTERNOON. UM, UNLESS THE BOARD HAS ANYTHING ELSE, WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR AUGUST AND WE'LL SEE YOU IN SEPTEMBER. REMEMBER, THERE'S NO MEETING IN AUGUST. THANK YOU ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.