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GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER 16TH MEETING OF THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
UM, I'M DELIGHTED TO WELCOME YOU HERE AND MY COLLEAGUES AND, UM, TO HAVE US START WITH, UM, DEBBIE TACKETT, HEAD OF PRESERVATION.
UM, I'M GONNA PASS IT OVER TO NICK
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CLAIRE JUST TO READ THE NOTICE REGARDING LOBBYIST REGISTRATION, SWEARING IN ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND ANY OTHER UPDATES FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.AND GOOD MORNING MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
TODAY'S MEETING OF THE BOARD WILL BE CONDUCTED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH THE BOARD PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AT MIAMI BEACH CITY HALL AND APPLICANT STAFF, UH, ARE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY IN TODAY'S MEETING, PUBLIC MAY DIAL 1-888-475-FOUR 4 9 9 AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 1 7 4 8 3 4 7 4 8 8 POUND OR LOG INTO THE ZOOM APP AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 1 7 4 8 3 4 7 4 8 8.
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EXPERT WITNESSES AND REPRESENTATIVES OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SHALL PRIOR TO APPEARING DISCLOSE IN WRITING TO THE CITY CLERK, THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THE PRINCIPLE ON WHOSE BEHALF THEY'RE COMMUNICATING.
IF YOU'RE AN ARCHITECT, ATTORNEY, OR EMPLOYEE REPRESENTING AN APPLICANT OR AN OBJECTOR, YOU MUST REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST.
THESE RULES APPLY WHETHER YOU'RE APPEARING IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST AN ITEM OR ENCOURAGING OR ARGUING AGAINST ITS PASSAGE, DEFEAT, MODIFICATION, OR CONTINUANCE.
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SWEAR IN ANYONE WHO WILL BE TESTIFYING TODAY.PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
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THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS THIS MORNING IS THE APPROVAL OF THE JULY 8TH, UM, MINUTES.ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS MOTION I MOVE TO APPROVE? I'LL SECOND.
UM, THIS MORNING WE DO HAVE ONE
[2. HPB25-0656, 1600 Washington Avenue, 425 16th Street and 1601 Drexel Avenue.]
REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE.THIS IS HPB 25 0 6 5 6 1600 WASHINGTON AVENUE, 4 25 16TH STREET, AND 1601 UH, DREXEL AVENUE.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO THE OCTOBER 21ST MEETING AND STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THIS REQUEST.
UM, SO WELL, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR ME AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT, I DON'T SEE THE APPLICANT HERE, UM, WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE ON ZOOM OR IN THE AUDIENCE HAVE A COMMENT REGARDING THE REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE FOR HPB 25 0 6 5 6? SEE NONE.
A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONTINUANCE? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OKAY, PERFECT.
[3. HPB24-0641, 1800 Michigan Avenue. ]
UH, REGULAR APPLICATION ON THE AGENDA THIS MORNING IS HPB 24 0 6 4 1.AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME, ONE OR MORE WAIVERS AND VARIANCES FROM THE REQUIRED LOT COVERAGE AND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JAKE, WHO'S GOING TO PRESENT OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
AS THE BOARD MAY RECALL, THIS APPLICATION WAS HEARD AT THE JULY 8TH MEETING AND CONTINUED SO THAT THE APPLICANT COULD EXPLORE THE RETENTION OF PORTIONS OR ALL OF THE EXISTING HOME SINCE THE JULY HEARING.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED REVISED PLANS THAT INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS.
THE APPLICANT IS NO LONGER REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF THE HOME.
IT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSING TO RETAIN AND RESTORE THE ORIGINAL GARAGE BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND MAIN TWO STORY HOME.
A NEW ONE STORY LOJA AND BEDROOM IS PROPOSED TO BE INTRODUCED.
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THE REVISED DESIGN, WHICH INCLUDES THE RETENTION AND RESTORATION OF THE ORIGINAL GARAGE AND THE INTRODU INTRODUCTION OF THE LOJA AND RAISED TERRACE.STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE REVISIONS PROPOSED HELPED TO REINFORCE THE HISTORIC MASSING OF THE EXISTING HOME AND WILL RESULT IN A PROJECT THAT ACHIEVES A GREATER LEVEL OF COMPATIBILITY WITH THE REMAINING PORTION OF THE HOME AND THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC DISTRICT.
ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER IN TWO VARIANCES RELATED TO THE RETENTION OF THE GARAGE.
THE WAIVER IS TO RETAIN THE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING REAR SETBACK.
STAFF HAS OUTLINED THE WAIVER CRITERIA IN THE STAFF REPORT AND HAS FOUND THAT CRITERIA A AND B HAVE BEEN SATISFIED AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER.
THE FIRST VARIANCE IS TO EXCEED BY 6.1%, THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED LOCK COVERAGE OF 30% IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A LOT COVERAGE OF 36.1%.
WHILE GARAGES CAN TYPICALLY BE EXCLUDED FROM LOT COVERAGE.
IN THIS INSTANCE, THE CONFIGURATION OF THE EXISTING GARAGE TO BE RETAINED DOES NOT MEET THE EXCLUSION CRITERIA AND DOES COUNT AS LOT COVERAGE.
THE SECOND VARIANCE IS TO REDUCE BY 18.25%.
THE MINIMUM REQUIRED OPEN SPACE OF THE MINIMUM REQUIRED REAR YARD OPEN SPACE OF 70% IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A REAR YARD OPEN SPACE OF 51.75% DUE TO THE RETENTION OF THE EXISTING GARAGE AND NEAR DRIVEWAY.
THE PROJECT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THIS REQUIREMENT.
BOTH VARIANCE REQUESTS ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE RETENTION AND RESTORATION OF THE ORIGINAL GARAGE AND RESULT IN PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES WARRANTING THE GRANTING OF THE VARIANCES.
FINALLY, STAFF WOULD NOTE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL CODE VIOLATIONS ISSUED FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND HAS INCLUDED A CONDITION IN THE ORDER THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE PROPERTY OWNER TO COMPLY WITH THE FENCING REQUIREMENTS FOR VACANT PROPERTIES WITHIN 120 DAYS OF APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION.
WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
JAKE, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT? NO.
THE QUESTION IS REGARDING AN MA THAT WE GOT, I THINK IT WAS THIS MORNING FROM MR. JOHN COURTNEY.
AND I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND IF THERE WAS ANY MERIT ON WHAT HE'S SAYING IN THE EMAIL.
UM, I DID NOT SEE THAT EMAIL TILL EARLY THIS MORNING AND I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE.
I DIDN'T VERIFY OR GO THROUGH, UH, THE COMMENT SINCE TIMING WAS OF THE ESSENCE.
I I FORWARDED IT TO ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS RIGHT.
HE SENT THE EMAIL YESTERDAY, UH, EVENING AND SO I HAVEN'T REALLY GONE THROUGH IT.
SO IF WE SHOULD, I MEAN THE FACT THAT YOU'RE OH, IT DOESN'T MATTER 'CAUSE YOU'RE
SO, UH, IF HE TESTIFIES DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION, I THINK HE CAN ADDRESS ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT EMAIL THOUGH, WE WEREN'T COPIED.
SO IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN HAVE THAT FORWARDED TO US SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT? YES, I WILL DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBER STAFF MICHAEL LARKIN, 200 SOUTH BASE KING BOULEVARD HERE TODAY.
WITH ME TODAY IS OUR PROJECT ARCHITECT, JENNIFER MCC GSO, OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, YUSUF HAKU.
ANTHONY AND LEWIS ARE THE CO-TRUSTEES AND MY COLLEAGUES MICKEY MARRERO AND ROB ALVAREZ.
SO PULL UP THE PRESENTATION NEXT PAGE.
SO WE ARE HERE REQUESTING A COA FOR SUBSTANTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THE RETENTION OF THE EXISTING GARAGE AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
AS, UH, JAKE WAS DESCRIBING, THE APPLICATION ALSO INCLUDES A WAIVER AND TWO VARIANCES RELATED TO THE RETENTION OF THE GARAGE.
WE ARE PLEASED TO HAVE STAFF SUPPORT AND FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS APPLICATION.
WE AGREE WITH ALL CONDITIONS SET FORTH IN THE DRAFT ORDER.
THIS IS AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF 18TH STREET AND MICHIGAN AVENUE SOUTH OF THE COLLINS CANAL, WHICH IS ACROSS FROM PUBLIX.
WE CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD IN NOVEMBER FOR A LOT SPLIT SO THAT THESE FOUR LOTS COULD PROCEED AS INDIVIDUAL BUILDING SITES.
PURSUANT TO THE LOT SPLIT, WE CAME BEFORE THIS BOARD IN DECEMBER FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE ABUTTING PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH.
YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE ONE THAT MIDBLOCK THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS OF COURSE ON THE COLLINS CANAL.
SO TO NOT, TO BELABOR ALL THE ISSUES WE RAISED AT THE JULY HEARING, WE TALKED ABOUT FLOODING, HOW FLOODING IS CONNECTED WITH SEA LEVEL RISE.
IT'S A TERRIBLE ISSUE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S JUST GONNA GET WORSE AS WE GO FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE.
WE ALSO DISCUSSED HOW THE HOME IS IN TERRIBLE SHAPE.
THIS ONE IS A CASE EXAMPLE OF PROBABLY POORLY CONSTRUCTED IN THE BEGINNING AND THEN NOT MAINTAIN WELL IN THE INTERVENING DECADES BETWEEN THEN AND TODAY.
YOU ASKED US TO LOOK INTO LIFTING THE HOME AND I WANTED
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TO AGAIN POINT OUT TO YOU ALL THE CHALLENGES.WELL, 22 STAR ISLAND, THERE WAS NO CHALLENGE.
UH, STEWART MILLER IS, IS A PERSON OF MEANS, AND HE WAS ABLE TO DO IT BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY AND PUSHING THE HOME TO THE SIDE.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF MY BROTHER'S NEIGHBORHOOD IN NORFOLK, VIRGINIA, WHERE AS YOU CAN SEE, IT COULD BE DONE IF THERE'S SUFFICIENT CRAWL SPACE WITHOUT DEMOLITION TO THE HOME, BUT IT LEADS TO A JARRING END RESULT.
AND AS A REMINDER FOR THIS HOME TO BE LIFTED, IT HAS TO GO UP TO THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION.
MUST BE AT 10 NGVD, WHICH IS BASE FLOOD ELEVATION, PLUS TWO FEET OF FREEBOARD, WHICH IS THE CURRENT BUILDING REQUIREMENT FOR WHERE THE SLAB MUST BE ELEVATED TO.
I'M GONNA LET USIP DESCRIBE Q ALL.
'CAUSE WE LOOKED AT IT PURSUANT TO YOUR INSTRUCTION.
WE LOOKED AT IF THIS HOME COULD BE LIFTED, WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE TO THE HOME IN ORDER TO, TO MAKE IT SECURE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
COULD WE STILL THINK THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL RISK THAT'LL COLLAPSE UPON LIFTING? BUT WE DID LOOK AT IT.
I'M GONNA HAVE USIP ADDRESS THESE NEXT THREE TO FOUR SLIDES.
UH, YUSEF HASHEM 99 NORTHWEST 27TH AVENUE.
UM, AS MICHAEL SAID, UH, THE, THE RED LINE THAT YOU SEE ON, ON THE ELEVATIONS OF THE HOUSE IS THE LINE THAT WHERE WE HAVE TO CUT AND DISCONNECT THE HOUSE FROM THE FOUNDATIONS.
AND THEN, UH, BECAUSE THE, THE, THE MATERIAL OF THE HOUSE, UH, CONCRETE WISE, THE COMPRESSION STRENGTH IS VERY LOW.
UH, THE CARBONATION HAS GONE THROUGH THE CONCRETE, SO WE ARE NOT VERY CONFIDENT THAT, UH, THAT THE HOUSE CAN HOLD THE, THE STRESS DURING THE LIFTING.
SO WE HAVE TO COME IN AND REINFORCE THE MASONRY WALLS AT 32 INCHES ON CENTER, WE HAVE TO SAW, CUT THE WALL IN INSERT NUMBER FIVE, REBAR AND INFILL THE CELLS, WHICH HAS TO BE DONE ANYWAYS BECAUSE WE NEED TO BRING THE HOUSE TO TODAY'S CODE IF WE ARE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
SO THE RED LINES REPRESENT THE SAW CUTTING OF THE WALLS AND THE INSERTION OF THE REBARS, AND THEN THE INFILLING OF THE CELLS.
THEN WE HAVE TO OPEN UP OPENINGS LIKE ABOUT TWO FOOT BY TWO FOOT OPENINGS EVERY FIVE FEET ON, ON THE EAST, I'M SORRY, ON THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH ELEVATIONS OF THE HOUSE.
SO WE CAN INSERT STEEL BEAMS GOING ACROSS THE WHOLE HOUSE IN ORDER TO PUT IN, UH, HYDRAULIC JACKS ON EITHER SIDE.
UH, AND THIS SLIDE KIND OF DEPICTS, YOU SEE THE, THE SQUARES NOW THEY'RE HIGHER.
THIS IS WHEN THE HOUSE GETS LIFTED TO THE, UH, PROPER ELEVATION WHERE YOU HAVE A FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION OF 10 NGVD INSIDE THE HOUSE.
SO THAT WAS, UH, WHAT YOU ALL ASKED US TO DO IS EXPLORE THE LIFTING OF THE HOME AND WHAT HAS TO BE DONE TO THE HOME IN ORDER TO MAKE IT SECURE SO IT COULD POSSIBLY BE LIFTED.
UM, I ATTENDED A LECTURE THAT DEBORAH BURKE GAVE MORE THAN A FEW MONTHS AGO AT THE ANNEX TO THE BETSY HOTEL.
UM, AND DEBORAH BURKE IS THE DEAN OF THE YALE SCHOOL OF ARCHITECTURE, AND SHE'S ALSO A REALLY PROGRESSIVE VOICE IN THE PRESERVATION FIELD NOW.
AND, UM, I READ HER BOOK NOW A COUPLE OF TIMES.
IT'S CALLED TRANSFORM PROMISING PLACES, SECOND CHANCE OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF TRANSFORM TRANSFORMATIONAL CHANGE.
AND IN READING THROUGH IT, THE SECOND TIME, I, I FOUND I LANDED UPON THIS QUOTE THAT I LIKE TO READ OUT TO YOU ALL.
REUSE IS NOT INHERENTLY A RETROGRADE OR RETROSPECTIVE PRACTICE, NOR ONLY ABOUT THE MNEMONIC OR MEMORIAL.
IT IS ABOUT THE PRESENCE OF THE PAST, INTEGRATED WITH A PROMISE OF THE FUTURE THAT EVERY DAY HAS A RELATIONSHIP, BOTH TO YESTERDAY AND TO SOMEDAY.
LATELY I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT AN ARCHITECTURE OF THE GREATER GOOD BUILT WORK THAT IS CONSCIOUS OF ITS UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM TRIBUTARIES AT A PERSONAL AND PLANETARY SCALE.
THE WORK OF REPURPOSING, REMAKING, REPAIRING, AND REUSING IS ALL PART OF SUCH ARCHITECTURE OF THE GREATER GOOD.
SUCH WORK IS INFORMED OF THE, AN ETHICS OF STEWARDSHIP.
HOW TO MEANINGFULLY HONOR AND INTELLIGENT UTILIZE THE BEST ABOUT A PLACE AS IT IS WHILE ALSO OPENING IT TO THE POSSIBILITIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF OUR TIME.
I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT QUOTE IN RELATION TO SEA LEVEL RISE HERE ON THE BEACH AND HOW WE HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH THAT WITH ALL OF OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS REQUIRE DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS AND DIFFERENT CONDITIONS OF THE BUILDING.
BUT IT ALL GOES INTO WHAT WE FOUND.
WHAT WE COULD DO SUCCESSFULLY HERE IS RETAIN THE EXISTING GARAGE AND, AND THEN INTEGRATE IT INTO A NEW HOME.
UM, THAT'S A PARTIAL PRESERVATION, BUT IT'S WORKED BEFORE IN THE BEACH IN DIFFERENT WAYS, IN DIFFERENT SCALES.
SO THE APPLE STORE, THAT FRONT FACADE
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WHERE THE APPLE IS LOCATED, THAT'S A PART OF THE ORIGINAL FACADE OF THAT BUILDING THE GAP STORE.SIMILARLY, THERE'S A PART OF THE ORIGINAL FACADE IN THE LINCOLN ROAD FACADE FIFTH AND ALTON RETAIL CENTER.
THERE'S A MED REVIVAL BUILDING ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER WITH THE MODERN BUILDING BEHIND.
WITHIN THE LAST TWO YEARS, YOU ALL APPROVED THIS CONDO BUILDING THAT'S AT FOURTH STREET.
IT USED TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AT THE HOME IS STILL PRESERVED TOWARD FOURTH STREET WITH AN ATTACHED EDITION BEHIND NEXT SLIDE.
THIS TYPE OF PARTIAL PRESERVATION IS NOT UNIQUE TO MIAMI BEACH.
IN WASHINGTON DC YOU SEE 13 DIFFERENT ROW HOUSES THAT WERE PRESERVED, UH, IN PART WITH A MUCH LARGER OFFICE BUILDING BEHIND THEM.
AND THEN IN SINGAPORE, THIS WAS AN ART DECO BUILT IN THE 1930S, A REMITTANCE HOUSE WHERE YOU HAVE A, A BOUTIQUE HOTEL THAT WAS BEHIND IT.
BUT THEY SAY THE FACADE OF THIS REMITTANCE HOUSE TO HONOR THE HISTORY OF THE SITE.
WITH REGARD TO OUR PROPOSED NEW HOME, WE'RE BENEATH UNIT SIZE, WE'RE BENEATH THE LOCK COVERAGE SUBSTANTIALLY.
WE'RE AT 26 FEET IN HEIGHT, AND AGAIN, SEEKING A WAIVER AND TWO VARIANCES RELATED TO THE RETENTION OF THE GARAGE.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS INVITE JENNIFER MCCONNEY OUR ARCHITECT UP TO EXPLAIN HER DESIGN PHILOSOPHY.
JENNIFER MCCONNEY STUDIO, MCG ARCHITECTURE, 2 3 0 NORTHEAST 97TH STREET, MIAMI SHORES.
UM, AFTER THE MEETING LAST UH, MONTH, UM, I DROVE BY THE SITE AND I SAT THERE AND I SAID, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD WE, WHAT, WHAT CAN WE SAVE HERE? AND I, AND I, BEFORE I TACKLED THAT QUESTION, I LOOKED AT THE MASKING AGAIN, IT'S HARD TO SEE IT HERE WITH THE TREES IN THE WAY, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING DID HAVE SEVERAL PIECES OF MASSING KIND OF LAYERS.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO RAISE IT IS A, IS A HUGE FEAT.
UM, BUT WHAT WE COULD SAVE IS THAT PORTION OF THE GARAGE.
AND AT FIRST I THOUGHT, THAT'S EH, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT DOES IS ACTUALLY WHAT WHAT IT ALLOWS US TO DO IS WE SAVE THE GARAGE AND THAT ALLOWS US, HERE I'M GOING TO, UH, CHANGE THE SLIDE, IS YOU GET TO HAVE THAT A SIMILAR MASSING TO WHAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY.
UM, SO ORIGINALLY WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST MONTH, THIS WAS THE FACADE, UM, ON THE, THE PREVIOUS DESIGN, WHICH WAS BASICALLY TWO STORIES, UM, UM, ON THE WHOLE ENTIRE MASS.
UM, AND IF WE WERE TO, UM, SAVE THE GARAGE, THAT ACTUALLY ALLOWS US TO BRING DOWN, UM, HALF OF THE BUILDING AND, AND CREATE THAT SAME PORTICO AND SPLIT THE BUILDING UP INTO THREE LIKE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY.
UH, AND, AND THAT ROOM THAT WE HAD OVER THE GARAGE BEFORE NOW COMES DOWN AND GETS KIND OF PUT IN THE BACK AND THAT'S THE GUEST ROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, AND IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO, YOU KNOW, BRING THE MASKING DOWN TOWARDS THE, THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO THAT, AGAIN, THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS DESIGN.
THIS IS THE NEW, UH, AND THEN THIS WAS THE PREVIOUS FLOOR PLAN, WHICH HAD THE GARAGE RIGHT NEXT TO THE SECOND STORY.
AND THEN NOW WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IS KIND OF ELONGATE BUILDING.
HOW, HOW MUCH, WHAT TIME WOULD YOU? ABOUT FIVE MINUTES OR LESS.
YEAH, WE GOT FIVE MORE MINUTES.
WE WERE ABLE TO ELONGATE THE, THE FACADE, INTRODUCE THE PORTICO, AND, AND THEN AGAIN, THIS WAS THE PREVIOUS SECOND FLOOR.
WE HAD THE, THE KINDA THE PLAYROOM OR GUEST BEDROOM ON TOP OF THE GARAGE.
AND NOW WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IS, UM, BRING THE MASKING DOWN, CREATE DIFFERENT HEIGHTS OF THE ROOFS.
AND IT'S, IF YOU LOOK AT YEAH, THOSE, UM, THE, THE MAGENTA DASH LINE IS THE, IS THE EXISTING, UM, KIND OF LOCK COVERAGE OF THE BUILDING.
SO I KNOW, UM, HASKELL ASKED LAST TIME WAS, IS THE NEW BUILDING BIGGER THAN THE OLD? AND IT BASICALLY TAKES UP ALMOST THE EXACTLY THE SAME MASS JUST KIND OF, UM, MOVED AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
BUT THAT MAGENTA LINE THAT YOU SEE IS THE OUTLINE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AND HERE'S THE FACADE.
SO WE'RE MEETING THE FLOODPLAIN AND WE'RE STEPPING DOWN AND THIS IS THE, THE RENDERING FROM, UM, THE CORON.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS.
THAT, UH, CONCLUDES OUR INITIAL PRESENTATION.
I'D LIKE TO RESERVE TIME FOR REBUTTAL AND UM, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE RIGHT NOW OR DURING REBUTTAL.
THAT WAS A VERY SHORT FIVE MINUTES, BUT UH, APPRECIATE THAT.
AND UM, I WANT TO KNOW IF ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I DO.
OKAY, MITCH, AND THEN RAY, UH, TWO QUESTIONS.
MI MICHAEL, YOUR LETTER DATED JULY 28TH, PAGE TWO REFERS TO AN INADVERTENT BUILDING
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SITE.CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? WAS THIS SOMEHOW JOINED WITHOUT AN INSTRUMENT? IS IT, UH, UH, OPEN AND NOTORIOUS USE BY THE, UH, LATE OWNER? WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO WHAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES WITH THE CODE'S LOT SPLIT REGULATIONS IS EVEN IF YOU HAVE AN IMPROVEMENT THAT WAS NOT PERMITTED, IF IT CROSSES A LOT LINE, THEN IT JOINS TOGETHER A SEPARATELY PLOTTED LOT WITH THE OTHER LOTS, THUS CONSTITUTING ONE BUILDING SITE.
SO WHAT YOU HAD HERE WITH YOR, AS MUCH AS I LIKED YOR, HE HAD A, A WAY ABOUT HIM TO DO HIS OWN THING.
AND SO HE DID A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS HERE.
UH, SO MUCH SO THAT MULTIPLE IMPROVEMENTS CROSSED THE LOT LINES STITCHING TOGETHER THE, ALL THESE LOTS TO BE ONE BUILDING SITE.
SO WHEN YOU GO, SO WE HAD TO GO IN THE FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD THEN TO GET A LOT SPLIT ORDER TO SEGREGATE THESE LOTS TO MAKE THEM INDEPENDENT LOTS AGAIN.
THE OTHER QUESTION, UH, PERTAINS TO THE EXISTING FIREPLACE.
UH, IT SEEMS LIKE STAFF ALLUDED TO IT AND THERE WAS SOME CONSENSUS AMONGST THE BOARD TO RETAIN THAT AND INCLUDE THAT.
UH, IT MAY, MAY MIGHT BE IN THE PLANS.
I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT, UH, WAITED TO THAT.
WE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE IT AND YEAH, WE CAN BASICALLY HAVE TO SAW, CUT IT, TAKE IT OUT, STORE IT AND PUT IT BACK.
BUT WE'LL DO THAT WORK WITH STAFF.
UM, RAY, UM, WITH RETAINING THE GARAGE AT THE CURRENT LEVEL, UM, DOESN'T THAT MEAN IT'S GONNA FLOOD ALL THE TIME? LIKE OTHER AREAS? SO GARAGES ARE ALLOWED TO BE WET FLOOD PROOFED, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE, I MEAN, PERSONALLY I REALLY LIKE THE DESIGN YOU HAD LAST TIME BECAUSE IT PAID HOMAGE TO THE, TO THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
UM, EVEN MORE SO THAN THE APPROVAL THAT WE GAVE TO 1730 JEFFERSON AVENUE THAT REALLY DIDN'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THE ORIGINAL HOME, BUT YET IT STILL WAS THE ORIGINAL HOME.
UM, SO IIII GRAPPLE WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT IF, IF YOU GUYS ARE HAPPY WITH THAT, UM, I I GUESS I CAN BE HAPPY WITH THAT.
YEAH, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS, HOW DOES THE NEW HOME CONNECT TO THE BUILDING THAT'S BEING RETAINED? AND IT ALLOWED US TO GO BACK IN TIME AND SEE HOW THAT WAS DONE.
SO NOW, EVEN THOUGH THE PART OF THE NEW HOME THAT COMES CLOSER TO THE GARAGE MORE CLOSELY RESEMBLES THE EXISTING HOME AND, AND AT LEAST THE HOME ITSELF IS GONNA BE ON THE SAME PLANE AS THE OTHER HOMES ON THE SAME BLOCK.
'CAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY, I MEAN CORRECT.
THAT'S A SEPARATE BLOCK ALL BY ITSELF AND IF YOU TRIED TO RETAIN THE HOME AT MM-HMM
AT ITS ORIGINAL LEVEL, UM, IT, IT WOULD'VE REALLY BEEN FLOODING ALL THE TIME JUST FROM THE OTHER HOMES AS WELL.
SO, UM, I, I COMMEND YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
I'VE GOT ELIZABETH AND THEN HASKELL, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION.
HOW MUCH OF THE GARAGE YOU ARE PRESERVING? SO WE ARE PRESERVING THE FOUR WALLS.
THE ROOF PROBABLY WILL HAVE TO BE RE UM, REBUILT BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY HAD SO MUCH TERMITE DAMAGE.
BUT I THINK ON, ON THE PLANS RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS A REMOVAL OF THE ROOF, UM, AND A RETAINAGE OF THE WALLS.
SO IN THE NEXT QUESTION IS HOW MUCH OF A HISTORIC VALUE CONTRIBUTION THE GARAGE ITSELF HAS TO THE WHOLE THING.
I THINK WHAT IT DOES IS IT, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A CATALYST TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE THE MASSING OF THE REST OF THE BUILDING MORE OF, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, TO SITUATE THE GARAGE WHERE IT IS NOW AND KEEP THAT ALLOWED US TO, UM, BE ABLE TO KIND OF RECREATE THAT ARCHWAY PORTICO AND THE GARAGE AND, AND MATCHING UP TO THE TWO STORY BUILDING.
SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF TIED TOGETHER OF COURSE.
SO THE, SO THE MERIT OF THE GARAGE IS JUST LIKE, UH, GEOMETRIC, VOLUMETRIC VALUE, NOT IN LIKE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL VALUE PER SE, LIKE THE, THE DESIGN OR THE CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES THAT WILL PRESERVE THE HISTORY OF THE SPACE? THAT'S NOT THE POINT I THINK, I THINK IT'S BOTH POINTS, BUT I, I I, I WOULD LOVE TO SAY IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE HISTORIC VALUE OF THE GARAGE, BUT I, I REALLY THINK THAT GARAGE IS JUST REALLY TIED TO THE WHOLE, UH, MASSING OF THE BUILDING.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S BOTH OF THOSE AND, AND IF YOU LOOK AT DEBBIE'S CONDITIONS THAT SHE DRAFTED, SHE'S PUSHING US TO EVEN BE MORE AUTHENTIC AND THE RETENTION OF THE GARAGE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO ALL OF THAT, WHAT SHE'S SUGGESTING AS HER CONDITIONS.
UM, HASKELL, DO YOU HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR JENNIFER? IS
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THERE, HI, GOOD MORNING.IS THERE ANY WAY TO INTRODUCE A WINDOW AT THE SECOND LEVEL ON THE WESTERN ELEVATION? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
I, THAT WAS ONE OF STAFF COMMENTS AND I AGREE WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE WE SUBMITTED.
RATHER THAN HAVING, ABSOLUTELY.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I WAS GONNA JUST ASK, UM, KIND OF WHAT, WHAT, UH, CHANGES THAT YOU CAN SHARE IN TERMS OF LIKE THE PROPERTY'S FUTURE AMBITION, THE AMBITIONS OF THE OWNERS FOR THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD KIND OF LEAD YOU IN THIS DIRECTION I WAS LOOKING FOR, ANTHONY IS RIGHT BEHIND ME, SO.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, THANK ALL OF YOU FOR THE TIME THAT YOU'RE PUTTING INTO THIS.
SO I'M, UH, ANTHONY HAS SAID I'M THE CO-TRUSTEE.
OUR GOAL IS TO PACKAGE THESE PROPERTIES AND SELL 'EM OFF TO A DEVELOPER WITH ALL OF THE AMAZING DESIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN PRODUCED TO ALL OF YOU, UM, AS QUICKLY, AS FAST AND EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE.
'CAUSE OUR GOAL IS TO MAXIMIZE THE VALUE BECAUSE ALL OF THIS MONEY DOES GO TO CHILDREN WITH CANCER.
SO WE HAVE A FIDUCIARY OBLIGATION AS TRUSTEES TO MAKE SURE THIS GETS DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO SELL IT TO THE HIGHEST BID.
SO BASICALLY ONCE WE ARE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE BELIEVE THAT'LL MAXIMIZE THE VALUE AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE SOLD TO THE PERSON THAT OBVIOUSLY OFFERS THE HIGHEST BID.
WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE WANTING TO DELAY US ANY SECOND 'CAUSE IT DOES COST US MONIES TO GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
SO THE QUICKER THE BETTER FOR ALL OF US, INCLUDING THE TRUST.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS, RAY? SO YOU'RE GONNA SELL THIS AS A PACKAGE DEAL? WE, WE, THAT WE WANT TO SELL IT TO MAXIMIZE THE, THE, THE VALUE.
AND IF THAT'S THE WAY WE CAN MAXIMIZE THE VALUE, WHICH IS OUR UNDERSTANDING, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.
BUT IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, I LOVE THIS PROPERTY, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU $4 MILLION FOR IT SOLD.
I MEAN, WE WANNA MAXIMIZE THE VALUE.
SO YOU HAVEN'T ATTEMPTED TO SELL THE OTHER PROPERTIES RIGHT NOW? SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE, WE'VE SOFTLY ATTEMPTED IT, BUT EVERYONE'S COMING BACK WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THIS PROPERTY.
'CAUSE THEY, THEY HAVE ACTUALLY GIVEN US OFFERS THAT TAKE A VERY SIGNIFICANT DISCOUNT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A ISSUE WITH THE HISTORICAL ISSUE OF NOT BEING ABLE TO DEMOLISH THIS.
AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS, WHICH I BELIEVE ONE OF YOU RAISED IS THE OTHER PROPERTIES ARE GONNA BE ELEVATED.
SO NOW YOU HAVE THIS INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY THAT'S NOT GONNA BE ELEVATED.
UH, AND, AND IT'S ALSO A, A VISUAL, SO A DEVELOPER WANTS TO BUILD THREE BEAUTIFUL HOMES, DOESN'T WANT THIS PROPERTY SITTING THERE WITH AN UNKNOWN FUTURE.
SO WE HAVE SOFTLY MARKETED, BUT WE WILL HOPEFULLY, ONCE THIS GETS APPROVED, UM, GET VERY AGGRESSIVE WITH OUR CAMPAIGN AND MARKETING ALL THE PROPERTIES TOGETHER.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
YEAH, I, I I APPRECIATE THE INTENT, BUT, UH, HAVING LIVED HERE FOR QUITE A WHILE AND SEE HOW THINGS WORK, I MEAN, THE LIKELIHOOD OF THIS SITE BEING DEVELOPED WITH THE, UH, WHAT WILL LIKELY BE APPROVED PLANS AS, AS PER PLAN IS, UH, IN MY OPINION IS UNLIKELY.
IT COULD SIT, THE, UH, APPROVALS COULD EXPIRE.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, MY GUT TELLS ME IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S PROPOSED.
UH, AND I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT CAN'T BE, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE APPROVED IS WHAT HAS TO BE BUILT.
SO, UH, AND I THINK THE DESIGNS ARE AMAZING.
I MEAN, JENNIFER DID, IIII WOULD AGREE AMAZING DESIGNS AND I THINK THEY'RE VERY ATTRACTIVE FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I THINK YOU, YOU, YOU SELL IT, UH, NEW OWNER, UH, OR ENTITY, UH, HOLDS ONTO IT FOR FIVE YEARS.
YOUR PERMITS HAVE HAVE LAPSED OR THE APPROVALS HAVE LAPSED, SOMEONE ELSE COMES IN, UH, WITH AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT, UH, PROJECT AND USE.
UH, I SEE THAT BEING THIS, UH, ASSEMBLAGE IS FUTURE, UH, PROVE ME WRONG, BUT I, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT IF THIS DOESN'T GET APPROVED, IT'LL BE A LOT HARDER TO MAXIMIZE THE VALUE.
ANY COMMENT? SO, UM, THE APPROVAL OF THIS BOARD IS GOOD FOR 18 MONTHS.
UM, SO WE HAVE TWO OTHER PARCELS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
SO THE CLOCK IS TICKING ON THOSE.
UM, ANY APPLICANT IS ELIGIBLE EVEN IF THE PROPERTIES ARE SOLD TO REQUEST A ONE YEAR EXTENSION FROM THIS BOARD.
IN ADDITION, UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A ENVIRONMENT, UM, IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHERE THE, UM, STATE ISSUES, EMERGENCY EXTENSIONS.
UM, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THOSE ARE, UM, UTILIZED QUITE OFTEN AND CAN EXTEND A DEVELOPMENT ORDER, UH, MULTIPLE YEARS, IF NOT DECADES, WHICH WE HAVE SEEN.
UM, SO THERE ARE CURRENT OPTIONS FOR EITHER THE EXISTING APPLICANT OR A, A SUBSEQUENT BUYER TO EXTEND THESE, WE GOT IT ORDERS.
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THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD PREVENT ANYONE FROM COMING BACK TO THIS BOARD TO REQUEST A, AN ALTERNATE DESIGN OR MODIFICATIONS TO, TO WHAT THE BOARD HAS APPROVED.UM, ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE INCLUDED THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE VACANT PROPERTIES FENCING IS, IS TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN.
UM, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION IS IMMINENT HERE.
UM, AND THEREFORE WE WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL VACANT PROPERTIES WITHIN THE CITY, WHICH WOULD BE TO CONSTRUCT A METAL PICKET FENCE, UM, AROUND THE SITE.
WHAT ABOUT ADDING, UH, PARK-LIKE GREEN SPACE? UH, IF NOTHING'S GONNA BE, UH, IN THE LIKELIHOOD NOTHING'S GOING TO SITE? WELL, THE, THE HOME, THIS PLANNING WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION OF THE HOME UNTIL A FULL BUILDING PERMIT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR THE NEW PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION.
THEREFORE, WE ANTICIPATE, UM, JUST BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST 12 MONTHS, IF NOT, COULD BE MUCH LONGER THAN THAT OF THE EXISTING HOME BEING REQUIRED TO BE SECURED.
AND, UM, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS ARE APPLICABLE TO THIS PROPERTY.
SO LANDSCAPING CLEANED, UM, AND SECURED, BUT ONE OF THE, UM, NEWER REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY IS THAT A, A FENCE, A A PICKET FENCE BE INSTALLED, UM, ON ALL SIDES OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH THEY HAVE DONE ON THE VACANT PARCELS.
UM, IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD RECENTLY, YOU'LL SEE THE VACANT PARCELS DO HAVE THE, THE COMPLIANT, UH, FENCING AROUND THEM WITH THE HEDGE, WITH LANDSCAPING.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY FOR SOME REASON DOES NOT, UM, A VIOLATION WAS ISSUED FOR NOT COMPLYING WITH THAT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
AND WE ARE JUST ASKING, UM, THAT THAT BE DONE AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE AND WE AGREE TO THAT CONDITION.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE FURTHER CHANCE TO DISCUSS THIS.
SO IF THEY, THEY GET THIS APPROVED TODAY, LET'S SAY THEY GO AHEAD AND GET THE BUILDING PERMIT.
SO ONCE THE BUILDING PERMIT IS APPROVED, THEY CAN DEMOLISH THE EXISTING STRUCTURES AND LET'S SAY IT SITS THERE UNTIL THAT BUILDING PERMIT EXPIRES.
WHAT HAPPENED NEXT? IF THEY, UH, IF THE BUILDING PERMIT EXPIRES AND WE'RE LEFT WITH A VACANT LOT, UM, THAT MEANS IT'S LIKELY THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD ORDER HAS ALSO EXPIRED.
SO ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SITE WOULD REQUIRE A NEW APPLICATION TO THIS BOARD, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE BOTH THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION AS WELL AS THE AFTER THE FACT, OR WOULD NOT BE AN AFTER THE FACT, BUT THE DEMOLITION WOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED IN THAT.
SO ONCE ABILITY PERMIT ISSUES, THE HPV ORDER IS SUBSUMED WITHIN THE BUILDING PERMIT AND THE HPV ORDER REMAINS VALID AS LONG AS THE BUILDING PERMIT IS VALID TO THE EXTENT THAT THE BUILDING PERMIT EXPIRES, THE UNDERLYING HPV ORDER IS ALSO VOIDED.
SO YOU ALL THEN WOULD REGAIN JURISDICTION OVER THIS PROPERTY AND WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR ANY DESIGN.
SO EVEN THOUGH AT THAT POINT THE LAW WILL BE VACANT, THERE WON'T BE ANY HISTORIC STRUCTURE IN THAT LOT, IT STILL GOES BACK TO STEP ONE AND THEY HAVE TO COME BACK HERE.
IT MIGHT EVEN EXTEND TO THE LAST SPLIT ORDER AS WELL.
I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR AND SAY THAT, BUT I CERTAINLY EXTEND TO THE HPV ORDER.
I THINK THAT WILL CLARIFY A LOT OF ISSUES FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT MAY HAVE ISSUES WITH DEVELOPING PROJECT
SO THE DEMOLITION THAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS, UM, IN THIS APPLICATION WOULD BE FOR EVERYTHING BUT THE FOUR WALLS OF THE GARAGE, WOULD IT BE INCLUDING THE, THE ROOF OF THE GARAGE OR THE GARAGE BE AN OPEN, OPEN STRUCTURE? IT INCLUDES THE, IT, IT, IT INCLUDES THE ROOF.
SO WE WOULD ALSO REMOVE THE ROOF AND THERE'S BEEN CHANGES TO THE GARAGE.
SO IT WOULD INCLUDE OPENING UP THE GARAGE DOORS.
SO YOU'D BE LEFT WITH THE FOUR WALLS.
UM, SO I THINK THAT CONCLUDES THE, UM, QUESTION.
IS, ISN'T THERE A FOURTH LOT ON THAT PROPERTY? YES.
IT'S LIKE A LITTLE TRIANGLE THING ON THE END.
THERE'S A TRIANGULAR PARCEL ON THE WEST SIDE.
WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THAT? IT WOULD BE SOLD WITH THE OTHERS.
JUST WITH NO RIGHT NOW, NO DEVELOPMENT ON IT.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, UH, WE HAVE BOARD DISCLOSURES.
ANY, UM, ANY BOARD DISCLOSURES? NO SEEING, SEEING NONE.
THEN, UM, WE CAN OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE PLEASE COME FORWARD.
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GOOD MORNING.I LIVE AT 10 26 18TH STREET, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
UM, I WANNA MAKE ONE CORRECTION, UM, TO THE DISCUSSION WE WERE JUST HAVING, WHICH IS THAT IT DOES NOT NEED TO IMMEDIATELY COME BACK TO THE HPB BEFORE SOMETHING HAPPENS HERE.
IT COULD GO TO ANOTHER LAND USE BOARD AND THEN COME TO THE HPB.
SO THEY COULD GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD, GET A SPECIAL ZONING OVERLAY, ESSENTIALLY NULLIFY ANY POSSIBILITY OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR MAYBE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT LAYOUT INSTEAD OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THEN IT WOULD COME TO THIS BOARD AND YOU ALL WOULD PURELY JUDGE WHETHER IT'S A FIT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, BUT IT COULD BE SIX HOMES, MAYBE IT'S TOWN HOMES, BUT THEY COULD GET APPROVAL FOR SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT BEFORE IT RETURNS TO THIS BOARD.
SO I THINK THAT'S JUST SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO ONLY SEE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, YOU, LINDSAY SEEMS TO THINK I'M WRONG, BUT YOU SHOULD, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT WAS THEIR ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO BRING THIS TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND HAVE SIX LOTS INSTEAD OF FOUR, IN WHICH CASE YOU WOULD'VE SEEN SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.
AND WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE DISCUSSING INDIVIDUAL HOMES ON THE LOTS THAT EXIST TODAY.
SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
UM, ANOTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT THIS IS, UM, SOMETHING VERY UNIQUE, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK WE SEE THIS VERY OFTEN.
IT'S VERY RARE THAT THE APPLICANT IS OPEN ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE ZERO INTENTION TO BUILD, RIGHT? AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN TASKED WITH DOING IN DECIDING WHETHER WE SHOULD GRANT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION IS WONDERING WHETHER WHAT WILL REPLACE THIS IN, YOU KNOW, IN PART OR IN HOLD JUSTIFIES THE DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC PROPERTY.
AND IF WE HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL DRAWING, BEAUTIFUL DRAWING, I WOULD LOVE TO BE THE NEIGHBOR TO THAT PROPERTY.
BUT IF WE'RE ALL OPENLY ADMITTING THAT THAT IS NOT GONNA BE BUILT, THAT THERE IS ZERO INTENTION TO BE BUILT, IT'S NOT A PLAN ANYMORE, RIGHT? THE, THE CODE REQUIRES PLANS.
THIS IS JUST A, AN EXERCISE IN BEAUTIFUL ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS THAT IS ESSENTIALLY NOT TIED TO ANY MEANINGFUL PLANS TO BUILD.
AND SO I THINK NOT ONLY IS IT TROUBLING, I THINK IT'S ALSO A VIOLATION OF OUR CODE, WHICH REQUIRES THAT THIS BOARD SEES WHAT IS INTENDED TO BE BUILT ON THE PROPERTY.
SO IT'S PROBABLY A GRAY VIOLATION, BUT IT'S CLOSE, I WOULD SAY.
RIGHT? UM, SO I THINK WE SHOULD ALL JUST THINK ABOUT THAT.
BUT I WANT TO JUST RESERVE THE REST OF MY TIME BECAUSE, AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT NOT DIRECTLY RELATED, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IOR AND RITA HAVE, UM, TAKEN A LOT OF FIRE IN THIS PROCESS.
AND I'VE FRANKLY LIKE DISGUSTED BY THAT, RIGHT? IOR AND RITA ARE MY NEIGHBORS, AND THEY LOVED THESE PROPERTIES AND THEY LIVED IN THESE PROPERTIES AND THEY MAINTAINED THESE PROPERTIES AND THEY HAD EVERY SINGLE UNIT RENTED IN THESE PROPERTIES, RIGHT? DINA STEWART AND THE STEWART STEWART LIVED IN THESE PROPERTIES.
REGGIE PEARSON LIVED IN THESE PROPERTIES, RIGHT? GREAT.
LIKE STAPLES OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THEY WERE FULL, THEY WERE LIVELY, THEY WERE VIBRANT.
THEY WERE NOT LUXURIOUS, RIGHT? THEY WERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BUT ALL OF THE PROBLEMS MAY JUST HAVE A MINUTE.
ALL OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE SEEN AROSE AFTER RITA'S DEATH AND DINA'S EMAIL TO THIS BOARD.
SHE MADE IT CLEAR THAT RITA WAS ACTIVELY PATCHING THE ROOF THE DAY SHE DIED.
SHE HAD THAT PROJECT GOING, THAT PROJECT STOPPED AS SOON AS SHE DIED.
AND AS SOON AS IVO BECAME INCAPACITATED, ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE CONTINUED TO SEE ARE THE RESULTS OF NOT SPENDING ANY MONEY ON MAINTENANCE.
THEY TOLD HER, FIX IT YOURSELF OR GET OUTTA THESE PROPERTIES.
MEANWHILE, MR. ASDA IS SAYING THAT HE HAD SPENT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON THIS SPECULATIVE ATTEMPT TO GET LAND USE ENTITLEMENTS THAT HE INTENDS TO FLIP HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, NOT HIS DOLLARS OF IOR AND RITA'S DOLLARS.
AND HE SPENT NONE OF IT ON PRESERVING THE HOME.
IT IS, IT IS IT, IT IS VERY UPSETTING TO ME TO SEE THEM TREATED THAT WAY IN THE PUBLIC.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT WHILE THEY WERE NOT MAINTAINING THESE, THEY WERE DOING THE LEGAL ADDITIONS.
THEY WERE NOT CREATING LUXURY PROPERTIES, BUT THEY LOVED THESE PROPERTIES, THEY TOOK CARE OF THEM.
AND EVERY, ALL THE BLIGHT THAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY IS NOT THE RESULT OF THEIR ACTIONS, BUT IT'S A RESULT OF THE ACTIONS SINCE HER DEATH.
I LIVE IN PALM VIEW AS WELL AT 1760 JEFFERSON AVENUE.
SO I'M A RELATIVELY NEW RESIDENT IN MIAMI BEACH HERE.
IT'S LESS THAN 10 YEARS, BUT I'M A PRETTY NEW OWNER OF A HISTORIC PROPERTY.
MINE WAS ACTUALLY BUILT BEFORE THIS PROPERTY AND I'M TRYING TO LEARN THE RULES OF LIVING IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND TODAY WHAT I LEARNED IS IF I CAN MAKE MORE MONEY BY LETTING MY PROPERTY KIND OF FALL APART AND COME TO YOU TO GET A APPROVAL FOR DEMO DEMOLITION, I'D BE SMART TO DO IT.
I ALSO LEARNED THAT PALM VIEW FLOODS ALL THE TIME.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I LIVED HERE.
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LIVED HERE FOR MANY YEARS.THE PHOTO YOU SAW, I THINK WAS DURING KING TIDE, PROBABLY THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
THAT IS WHEN PALM VIEW, THAT PARTICULAR STREET FLOODS.
IT FLOODS ACTUALLY BECAUSE ANOTHER ONE OF THESE PROPERTIES HAS A CRACK IN THE SEA WALL THAT THE CITY COULDN'T ENFORCE, UH, CORRECTION, COULDN'T ENFORCE HAVING IT FIXED.
AND SO FOR TWO DECADES IT'S BEEN FLOODING ON THOSE PARTICULAR DAYS.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT RAINS AND IT FLOODS EVERY BUILDING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I ACTUALLY THINK MR. BRESLIN, I SUSPECT THAT GARAGE MAYBE HASN'T EVER FLOODED.
THERE WAS A COMMENT IN LAST MONTH'S PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE PUMPS ALL AROUND PALM VIEW.
WE DON'T HAVE PUMPS ALL AROUND PALM VIEW ON THAT DAY.
WE HAD ONE PUMP THAT WAS THERE TO PUMP AND REPAIR A BROKEN, UH, JUST KIND OF MAKE SURE A BROKEN DRAIN PIPE HAD BEEN CORRECTLY FIXED.
SO I, I THINK THAT YOU'VE BEEN ASKED TO APPROVE A PROJECT THAT'S BUILT ON THE, THE PRESUMPTION THAT THEY CAN MAKE MORE MONEY OFF OF TEARING IT DOWN AND THAT IF IT WAS GOING TO BE LEFT THERE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RAISED, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RAISED.
IT'S NOT FLOODING, IT'S KIND OF HYPERBOLIC.
ALL OF THIS STUFF THAT YOU'VE SEEN.
SO I ALSO OPPOSE THIS, THIS DESTRUCTION OF YET ANOTHER HISTORIC HOME IN PALM VIEW, WHICH HAS ONLY ABOUT 40 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THEY'RE GETTING KNOCKED DOWN ONE BY ONE VERY QUICKLY.
AND I HOPE THAT YOU AS A HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD WILL KIND OF TAKE THE CHARGE TO HELP US PRESERVE OUR HISTORY.
ANY ANYONE IN THE ROOM? UM, MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC? NO.
WE HAVE ERIC S. GOOD MORNING ERIC.
DO YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.
THIS IS ACTUALLY ALAN FLUKY AND UH, I'M USING ERIC ESQUIRE.
SO ON THE, UH, 8 0 9 SECOND STREET, UH, PROPERTY, UH, LET'S SEE, THAT'S, UH, HP B 25 0 6 5 7.
SO I ACTUALLY DID NOT HEAR THE DISCUSSION ON, ON ON THAT TODAY WITH A VARIANCE.
UH, IT, I'M ASSUMING IF IT, IF IT'S, IF IT'S THE SOUTHWEST LOOKING, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M ABSOLUTELY OKAY WITH THAT.
I'M WONDERING WHAT'S THE HEIGHT VARIANCE OR WAS THERE ONE FOR, FOR 8 0 9 SECOND STREET.
THAT IS THE LAST REGULAR AGENDA ITEM.
SO WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THAT APPLICATION YET.
UM, THAT'S, WE HAVE SEVERAL MORE APPLICATIONS TO GO BEFORE THAT.
SEEING NONE, UH, NO OTHER, UM, PEOPLE ON ZOOM THEN WE'LL CLOSE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THE YES.
THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANTHONY ASDA, UH, OFFER TESTIMONY AND REBUTTAL TO SOME OF THE STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE HAD, UH, ONE COMMENT THAT I TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT WE INTENTIONALLY ALLOW THESE PROPERTIES TO DETERIORATE.
UM, AFTER RITA DIED, I WAS GIVEN, UM, THE RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF IVER WHO WAS INCAPACITATED.
UH, WE WERE INSTRUCTED THAT IVER, WHO LIVED IN 1810, UH, MICHIGAN SINCE 1960, THAT BUILDING WAS CONDEMNED.
WE GOT TWO ORDERS FROM THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH AT 18, 18 AND 1810 NEEDED TO BE VACATED IMMEDIATELY FOR UNSAFE STRUCTURE.
WE PUT HIM IN A RENTAL HOME A FEW BLOCKS AWAY 'CAUSE HE SUFFERED FROM DEMENTIA.
SO THE DOCTORS RECOMMENDED THE CLOSER HE COULD BE TO HIS ENVIRONMENT, THE BETTER.
UM, WE NEVER INTENDED EVER TO INTENTIONALLY DETERIORATE ANY OF THESE BUILDINGS.
WE INHERITED THESE BUILDINGS THE WAY THEY WERE.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE ENGINEERS AND THE ARCHITECTS THAT 1800 BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION ISSUE, UH, IT, IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER IF WE COULD SELL EVERYTHING AS A PACKAGE AND MAXIMIZE.
WE DID NOT COME HERE TO MAXIMIZE.
WE'VE SOLD OFF OTHER PROPERTIES LIKE 1835 AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
WE SOLD OFF OTHER PROPERTIES THAT THEY OWN IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT.
WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE RESPONSIBILITY AS TRUSTEES TO MAXIMIZE THE MONIES FOR THE CHARITY, BUT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.
UH, WE DEALT WITH THESE UNSAFE STRUCTURES AND WE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO DEMOLISH 18 18, 18 10.
AND THIS PROPERTY OBVIOUSLY CONNECTS TO THOSE THREE PROPERTIES.
SO BASED ON THE ARCHITECTS, BASED ON THE ENGINEERS, AND BASED ON OUR EVALUATION DISCUSSING THIS WITH THE REALTORS, THIS WAS THE BEST PATH THAT WE CHOSE TO TAKE.
WE HAVE NOT INTENTIONALLY DONE ANYTHING TO DETERIORATE ANY OF THE BUILDINGS.
I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, UM, WE'LL CLOSE THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARING COMPONENT AND, UH, YOU, YOU CAN, I
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THINK WE'LL JUST BE TALKING AMONG OURSELVES, UM, UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.I'D LIKE TO GO UP THE, UP THE ROAD 'CAUSE TO SEE WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS ABOUT THIS.
UM, RANDY, WE'LL START WITH YOU SINCE YOU'RE IN THE, THE BEST SEAT IN THE HOUSE,
UM, AND MY, I GUESS MY IMMEDIATE RESPONSE WAS I DIDN'T SEE, CAN YOU PULL THE MIC A LITTLE CLOSER? I'M SORRY.
I THINK IT'S ADMIRABLE TO SAVE THE GARAGE, BUT WHEN I SEE THE FINAL RENDERING, I DON'T THINK IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE HOUSE.
UM, THERE SEEMS TO BE AN INCONSISTENCY IN THE SCALE OF THE GARAGE TO THE NEW HOUSE.
AND JUST MY OPINION, I I THINK IT'S ADMIRABLE TO SAVE IT.
IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT SHOULD BE A HOUSE AND A GARAGE AND ANOTHER HOUSE.
UM, AND NOT THAT THE HOUSE HAS TO LOOK LIKE THE GARAGE, I JUST FEEL IT'S JUST ODD COMPARE RELATIONSHIP OF THE GARAGE, THE ARCHED OPEN WAY, WHICH DOESN'T RELATE AT ALL TO THE GARAGE AND THEN THE HOUSE ITSELF.
SO IT'S JUST MY OPINION ON IT.
OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, RAY.
UM, WHAT I HAD HEARD ABOUT THIS, THESE PROPERTIES FROM AGES AGO WAS THAT THE ORIGINAL OWNERS WERE PLANNING TO BUILD TOWNHOUSES THERE, VERY MUCH LIKE THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
AND THEN IT BECAME THE PALM VIEW HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY GOT THEIR LEGS CUT OFF.
UM, SO THEY WERE NEVER ABLE TO BUILD WHAT THEY WANTED TO BUILD.
AND, UH, AND THAT'S FINE, BUT THEY ALSO, IN MY OPINION, DIDN'T PROPERLY MAINTAIN THE PROPERTIES THEMSELVES.
UH, I SEE ADD ADDITIONS ADDED ON WHEN YOU GO DOWN DADE BOULEVARD.
THERE WAS ALL THESE STRUCTURES THAT WERE ADDED.
I'M GOING, THIS WAS NEVER PERMITTED, YOU KNOW, AND THE CITY NEVER, UH, WENT BACK AND, AND FIND THEM FOR THAT.
I MEAN, IT WAS VERY OBVIOUS THAT THEY WERE THERE.
SO, UM, FOR, FOR THE COMMENTS THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THIS WAS ALL LEFT TO RACK AND RUIN AFTER THEY DIED, IN MY OPINION IS ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT.
ASK, UH, A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS, OBSERVATIONS.
I'VE PASSED BY THE SITE A NUMBER OF TIMES AND IT SEEMS TO BE ELEVATED TO THE GENTLEMAN'S, UH, POINT, UH, WHO LIVES IN THE AREA THAT THE HOUSE IS NEVER FLOODED.
ON THE FLIP SIDE, THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS THAT HAVE COME IN FROM THE STRUCTURAL REPORT ARE, ARE ABYSMAL AND HOW MUCH LONGER IS THAT HOUSE IT'S GONNA LAST.
BUT I, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT.
I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WORKS WELL WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT TO ME THE BIGGER CONCERN IS HOW DO WE ENSURE AND IS IT WITHIN OUR RIGHT OR PURVIEW TO ENSURE THAT NO TOWN HOMES ARE BUILT AND WHAT IS, WHAT WE SEE IN FRONT OF US IS BUILT IN THE FUTURE, WHETHER THEY SELL IT OR NOT, OR SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO IT, BUT NO TOWN HOMES, NO PARTITIONING THE PROPERTY INTO SIX LOTS OR, OR OR MORE THAT I WOULD NEVER SUPPORT.
UM, AND AS SUCH, IF THAT, IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT TO ENFORCE THAT, THEN I WOULD NOT SUPPORT DEMOLITION OF THIS BUILDING.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO MENTION, AND, AND I HAVE TO AGREE WITH RAY, UH, THESE PROPERTIES, UH, AND, AND OTHERS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN MENTIONED THAT WERE ON THE SITE.
I KNOW IN 2003 I UM, SERVED ON MAYOR DER'S BLUE RIBBON, BLUE RIBBON PANEL ON THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF BUILDINGS AND ONE OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE SITE, WHICH, UH, NO LONGER EXISTS WAS ONE OF OUR STUDIES, UH, AT, AT THE TIME.
SO, UH, YES, I, I WOULD AGREE THESE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN, UH, NEGLECTED.
AND, UM, UH, AS FOR HASKELL'S COMMENTS, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, WHAT YOU REFERENCE IS EVEN IN OUR PURVIEW.
UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT.
IF THAT COULD BE, IF LANGUAGE, UH, SUCH AS THAT COULD BE ADDED TO, UH, UH, A FINAL ORDER.
UH, YES, HE WAS MAKING, WELL, I THINK, SORRY, TWO THINGS.
I'D LIKE STAFF TO WEIGH IN ON, I KNOW THIS IS AN RS FOUR DISTRICT.
I DON'T BELIEVE TOWN HOMES ARE ALLOWED HERE.
UM, THE BOARD'S PURVIEW WHEN YOU'RE REVIEWING AN INDIVIDUAL APPLICATION IS TO RULE ON THAT APPLICATION UNDER THE CRITERIA.
SO, AND, YOU KNOW, WHICHEVER WAY YOU LAND YOUR DECISION HAS TO BE MADE BASED ON THE BOARD'S REVIEW CRITERIA.
UM, YOU CANNOT MAKE A DECISION ON AN APPLICATION BASED ON SPECULATION ABOUT A POSSIBLE CODE CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.
AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A, A RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.
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AND, AND YOU KNOW, DEBBIE CAN SPEAK TO THE USES, BUT I'M, I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT, THAT THE ONLY USE ALLOWED HERE WOULD BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.UM, AND I CAN JUST CONFIRM THAT THE ONLY MAIN PERMITTED USE FOR THIS DISTRICT IS A DETACHED INDIVIDUAL, SINGLE FAMILY HOME PER PROPERTY.
UM, THE PALM VIEW, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO AS AN ACCESSORY USE ALLOWED AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
A SMALL, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S A MAXIMUM OF 600 SQUARE FEET.
UM, SO THIS AREA WOULD, WOULD ALLOW THAT.
UM, BUT NOT ANY TYPE OF MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY OR TOWN HOME OR DUPLEX OR TRIPLEX.
NOW, ISN'T THERE AN EXISTING, UH, I RECALL IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS A BUILDING WAS BUILT, I I BELIEVE ACROSS THE STREET THAT'S A FEW STORIES HIGH THAT HAS, UH, TOWN HOMES, MULTIPLE UNITS.
THERE ARE MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WERE, UM, CONSTRUCTED.
I THINK THE WAS 1998 WHEN, UH, THE ZONING CHANGED IN THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO PRIOR TO THAT, UM, IF SOMEONE HAD RECEIVED A, AN APPROVAL, THEY COULD CONTINUE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS.
UM, BUT THEN THIS AREA WAS DOWN ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY, MAKING THOSE EXISTING MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS, LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING.
OKAY, LINDSAY, I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF WE CAN GET STAFF'S INPUT ON SOME OF THE TESTIMONY GIVEN BY THE PUBLIC COMMENTARY AS TO PREVIOUS APPROVALS SET.
SO THIS, UM, SO WE'VE HAD, THIS IS THE THIRD APPLICATION AND TO, TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
THERE'S ALS THERE WAS ALSO AN APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR THE LOT SPLIT.
UM, THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY APPLICATIONS FOR ANYTHING DIFFERENT STAFF VERY EARLY ON.
UM, AND THE TRANSFER TO THE TRUSTEE, UM, STAFF DID HAVE AN INITIAL MEETING, UH, TO DISCUSS OTHER POSSIBLE OPTIONS.
UM, THE ONLY, UH, OTHER OPTION THAT WAS AGAIN, VERY INITIALLY DISCUSSED, UH, WAS POTENTIALLY CREATING SIX LOTS, UM, FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOME DEVELOPMENT.
UM, STAFF HAD EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT CREATING SIX LOTS, UM, WITHIN THE, IN THE FOUR PLATTED LOTS.
AND, AND WE EXPRESSED OUR CONCERN AT THAT POINT.
UM, SEVERAL MONTHS LATER THE APPLICANT CAME BACK TO US WITH, WITH UH, AND THE APPLICATION FOR THE LOT SPLIT TO GO BACK TO THE INDIVIDUAL PLATTED LOTS, WHICH ARE FOUR AND TO DISCUSS, UH, INDIVIDUALLY SUBMITTING HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD APPLICATIONS.
THAT'S ALL THE INFORMATION I HAVE.
I MAY HAVE NOT BEEN PRIVY TO OTHER CONVERSATIONS, BUT THAT'S MY ENTIRE RECOLLECTION OF THE, OF THE PROCESS.
LINDSAY CAN DID YOU HAVE MORE? YEAH, I DO.
UM, AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW, I KIND OF WANNA DISCUSS, AND, AND MITCH WAS KIND OF HINTING TOWARDS THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY HE'S GOING, BUT, UM, LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY THIS BOARD DECIDES NOT TO APPROVE THIS.
WHAT DO WE PROPOSE INSTEAD? LIKE WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT WOULD WE EXPECT TO COME OUT OF THIS? THAT, THAT'S KINDA THE STRUGGLE THAT I'M HAVING, RIGHT? SO, 'CAUSE MITCH WENT THROUGH THIS WHOLE SERIES OF INFORMATION ABOUT THEY GET THIS APPROVAL AND THEN THEY SELL THE PROPERTY AND THAT PERSON GOES AND GET A BUILDING PERMIT OR SOMEBODY GETS A BUILDING PERMIT AND THAT BUILDING PERMIT EXISTS FOR, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE AGAIN? 18, 18 MONTHS.
18 MONTHS COULD BE EXTENDED, BUT LET'S JUST SAY 18 MONTHS, RIGHT? UM, THEY GET EXTENDED FOR A YEAR 'CAUSE THEY'RE UNDER, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, AND THEN IT, UM, EXPIRES ON ITS TERMS REGARDLESS, YOU KNOW, NO MORE EXTENSIONS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MEANS THAT THE BUILDING WOULD'VE LIKELY HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED AND THEY WOULD THEN HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE US.
BUT IF WE DON'T DO THAT, THEN WHAT? UM, BECAUSE, AND I I SAY THIS, I MEAN, YES, I MEAN I GUESS THEY COULD SIT AND WAIT FOR SOMEONE TO COME BY THE PROPERTY.
I MEAN, LOOK, IF I HAD ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD, I'D BUY IT AND I'D MAKE IT MINE, RIGHT? BUT I DON'T, AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS LIKE WHAT IS, WHAT IS WHAT IS OUR ALTERNATIVE IF WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, TO LET IT SIT THERE? AND I MEAN, IF THE NEIGHBOR IS RIGHT IN HIS STATEMENTS, WHICH I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK HE IS, BECAUSE I WAS, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE ONLY ONE OF THIS BOARD WHO ACTUALLY TOURED THE INTERIOR OF THE OTHER TWO STRUCTURES PRIOR TO THE DEMOLITION, UM, ORDER BEING ISSUED OR DEMOLITION TAKING PLACE DID NOT GO INSIDE THIS BUILDING OBVIOUSLY.
UM, AND I SAW THE STATE OF IT AND THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT COMES ABOUT.
YEAH, THAT'S, IT WAS THE SAME 25 YEARS AGO AND I WAS IN SHOCK.
ALL I WANNA SAY IS IT'S NOT SOMETHING
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THAT COMES ABOUT IN A YEAR OR TWO IS WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT.UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT HERE, BUT I I REALLY, WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO IS IF THIS EXPIRES OR IF, IF THEY DON'T, RIGHT? AND IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE NOT, IF THEY'RE LETTING THIS BE DEMOLISHED BY NEGLECT, WHICH I THINK IS KIND OF WHAT THE ALLEGATION IS COMING FROM THE PUBLIC, IS THAT NOT WHAT THEN WOULD HAPPEN TO THIS PROPERTY AND WE WOULD BE BACK HERE AGAIN.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED, THEY'VE BEEN TO US A COUPLE OF TIMES.
WHAT, WHAT, UM, WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED.
I ACTUALLY, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO SAID THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE CHANGE IN THE GARAGE.
'CAUSE I DO THINK IT IS A NOD TO THAT STEPPING OF THE BUILDING AND YOU'VE GOT THE TWO STORY VERSUS THE ONE STORY AND THEN THE STEP DOWN.
SO I LIKE THE WAY THAT THEY'VE ADJUSTED THAT.
AND IT DOESN'T SEEM SO IMPOSING LOOKING AT YOU THIS BIG MASS OF TWO STORIES LOOKING AT ME AS, AS I THOUGHT THE, UM, LAST BUILDING DID.
UM, SO I LIKE THE ADJUSTMENT, I APPRECIATE THE ACCOMMODATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
UM, AND IN THE BACK OF MY MIND THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT.
SO IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A HYPOTHETICAL OR A RHETORICAL QUESTION, BUT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK TO IT, THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH, RIGHT.
IS IF THIS ISN'T APPROVED, THEN WHAT, OKAY.
UM, CAN WE GET, UM, YEAH, YEAH.
ELIZABETH'S COMMENTS 'CAUSE THAT'S A GOOD, A GOOD, UM, PLACE TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT.
THANK YOU FOR, BUT IT MAY NOT BE OUR ULTIMATE, LIKE IT MAY NOT BE OUR QUAL, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE ARE WITHIN OUR, WITHIN OUR, UM, WHAT OUR, WHAT WE USE TO EVALUATE, UH, OUR, OUR EVALUATION CRITERIA.
BUT YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
YEAH, NO, THANK YOU FOR VOICE ON THOSE CONCERNS BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE, IN A WAY WE ARE ALL STUCK AT.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT OCCURS TO ME IS THAT WE DON'T, WE SHOULDN'T MAKE ONE WRONG.
ANOTHER WRONG, BECAUSE THEN IT'S TWO WRONGS
SO THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT BOTHERS ME ON WHAT WE DECIDE TO DO HERE.
UM, YEAH, SO I'M JUST ADDING MORE QUESTIONS TO OUR CONVERSATION,
WELL, UM, YEAH, I THINK THERE'S JUST A, THIS IS AN, JUST AN INCREDIBLY COMPLEX SITE.
YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE MANY YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS, IT'S FEWER THAN MITCH, BUT, UH, STILL, UH, I, I FIND THE COMPLEXITIES TO BE, UM, UH, DAUNTING AND, AND LOUD.
AND I THINK THAT AS A BOARD WE, YOU KNOW, WE LISTEN TO LIKE, UM, THOSE COMPLEXITIES AROUND IT, LIKE WHAT THE FUTURE OWNERSHIP IS.
I, IT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION, LIKE, HOW, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THIS IN THE FUTURE? THAT'S NOT, AND I, AND I THINK I WAS NOT RIGHT IN, IN THIS ROLE TO BE ASKING THAT QUESTION.
IF I WERE A NEIGHBOR, I'D BE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT TO BE ASKING THAT QUESTION.
BUT AS IN, IN OUR ROLE, I THINK WE HAVE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR PURVIEW IS AS NICK KIND OF OUTLINED IT AND WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US, WE KIND OF HAVE TO PUT BLINDERS ON AND BE VERY PROFESSIONAL AND USE THE PROFESSIONAL GUIDANCE OF OUR STAFF, BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR LEGALLY, THEY ARE OUR PROFESSIONALS.
THEY ARE OUR, THEY ARE OUR EXPERTS IN THIS AREA OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION POLICY.
THEY'RE, THEY'VE THOROUGHLY GONE OVER THIS EACH TIME.
UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, I WAS IMPRESSED BY THE AMOUNT, UM, THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT THAT THEY PUT INTO THE ORDER.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S KIND OF GUT WRENCHING BECAUSE AS HUMANS, WE DO TEND TO THINK IN ECOSYSTEMS AND THINK ABOUT ALL THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN AND WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, HOW IT GOT TO THIS PLACE, OR WHAT WAS THE PAST WHERE IT'S GONNA GO.
SO WHAT WILL THE FUTURE BE? WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DEMOLISH, IF WE ALLOW FOR THE DEMOLITION? IT WON'T COME, THE DEMOLITION WON'T COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD.
IF THIS IS APPROVED, IT WILL BE APPROVED HERE.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE, UM, KIND OF NEED TO, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE IN AN IMPERFECT WORLD OF, OF CODES OF ZONING AND AN IMPERFECT WORLD OF REGULATION, WE HAVE TO BE AS, AS CLEAR AS WE CAN POSSIBLY BE IN THE WAY WE MAKE THIS DECISION AND IN THE QUESTIONS WE ASK OURSELVES AND THE CRITERIA WE USE TO EVALUATE THIS.
SO, UM, AND THERE WILL BE NO, AND THE QUESTIONS ARE ONLY GONNA BECOME MORE COMPLEX.
THE CONTEXT ARE GONNA BECOME MORE COMPLEX AS WE GO FURTHER INTO, INTO MORE SEA LEVEL RISE INTO MORE, UM, MORE KIND OF ISSUES OF REGULATION, STATE REGULATION COMING IN AS WELL.
SO, WITH THAT, I WOULD JUST, I WOULD, AND I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THIS BOARD WOULD VOTE
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PROFESSIONAL, UM, OUR PROFESSIONAL GUIDES HERE.UH, YOU HAD A QUESTION THEN? YOU, YOU HAD A COMMENT? WELL, STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN, UH, AS EXPRESSED EARLIER, I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS, UH, UH, ASSEMBLAGE, UH, LANGUISH FOR YEARS AND YEARS, UH, WHICH IS A, A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY AND A WAY TO MITIGATE THAT.
UH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, UH, UH, UH, AN APPROPRIATE FENCE AND PERHAPS SOD AND TO CREATE IT TO LOOK, APPEAR IN A PARK-LIKE CONDITION.
SO THOSE DRIVING DOWN DADE BOULEVARD, OR EVEN FROM, UH, MICHIGAN AVENUE, SEES A WELL MAINTAINED, UH, UH, SITE.
SO KIND OF RE THE FINES THAT HAVE BEEN, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'VE BEEN FINED KIND OF.
WELL, WELL, WHAT COMES TO MIND IS A PROJECT WE APPROVED LAST MONTH, UH, ON PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE.
ALMOST SOME, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE 11 AND 1300 BLOCK EMPTY, ACTUALLY, THE BUILDING WAS DEMOLISHED WHEN I WAS SERVING IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
AND, UH, DUE TO THE, UH, YOU KNOW, STRICT DAUGHTERS, UH, THE PROPERTY WAS, UH, EYESORE ON THE COM COMMUNITY WITH, UH, MULTIPLE, UH, CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP UNTIL WE, UH, DID SOMETHING LAST MONTH.
WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN HERE.
I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO REALIZE HERE IS THAT, FIRST OFF, IT CANNOT BE DEMOLISHED UNTIL THERE'S A BUILDING PERMIT ISSUED TO BUILD THE NEW PROPERTY.
AND SECOND OFF, THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY, OR THEY'LL, THEY'LL GET CITED BY CODE COMPLIANCE AND FIND AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S NOT UP TO US TO DECIDE WHETHER THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN OR NOT, BUT WE KNOW THAT THAT HOME IS PROTECTED UNTIL IT CAN BE DEMOLISHED WITH A NEW ONE TO BE BUILT.
THEY CAN'T JUST TEAR IT DOWN AND SAY, OKAY, NOW WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT A VACANT LAND A LOT FOR GOD KNOWS HOW LONG.
AND I DO BELIEVE THAT PERSONALLY, UM, THERE'S A BIG MARKET FOR NEW HOMES AND TO HAVE A NEW HOME IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF DEVELOPERS THAT ARE GONNA WANNA BE JUMPING ON THAT TO BUILD THOSE HOMES.
WELL, I MEAN, SO WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE PROJECT IS, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WARRANTED.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE, WE ARE CONFINED BY THE CRITERIA SET BEFORE I AGREE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL THINKING ABOUT THE, IF WE'RE TRYING TO, IF SOMEONE'S TRYING TO GO AGAINST THE CRITERIA, AND AGAIN, OUR EXPERTS WHO HAVE TOLD US, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS SHOULD BE APPROVED, THINK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT SETTING APART THE FACT THAT YOU MIGHT BE GOING AGAINST THE CRITERIA THAT ARE SET BEFORE YOU.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, SEPARATE, APART FROM THAT AS WELL, IS THAT, UM, FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF, OF MARKETING, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF WORK TO COME BEFORE US AND TO DO ALL THIS.
AND SOMEBODY WHO'S LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, MIGHT NOT BE WILLING TO DO THAT ON THEIR OWN.
BUT TO ACQUIRE A PROPERTY THAT HAS PLANS AND DEVELOPMENT AS OF RIGHT.
AVAILABLE TO THEM, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS GREAT.
I, I HAVE, I HAVE A, A GUIDEBOOK ISSUED FOR ME, AND ALL I HAVE TO DO IS BUILD THIS, ASSUMING I HAVE THE FUNDS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S BETTER THAN, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS ALL OVER AGAIN,
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD GO ANYWAY.
UM, SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY TO THAT, IS I GET THAT.
I, I, OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE OUR DUTY TO ABIDE BY THE CRITERIA.
AND THE STAFF HAS SAID THAT THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED UPON THOSE CRITERIA.
AND WE'VE ALL LOOKED AT THIS INDIVIDUALLY, UM, JUST THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, BUT IF THEY SELL IT, THEN WHAT IF THEY DO THIS? THEN WHAT? AND, AND I JUST DON'T SEE THAT THAT IS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF OUR CRITERIA.
BUT IF SOMEBODY ON THIS BOARD WANTED TO GO DOWN THAT PATH AND SAY, WELL, IF THEY'RE GONNA DO THIS, THINK ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE IF WE DON'T APPROVE IT.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO EXPRESS.
IT'S JUST THOSE ALTERNATIVES ARE UNIVERSE OF ALTERNATIVES.
SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT PART OF OUR CRITERIA,
IT'S LIKE, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T DO ACT IN A CERTAIN WAY? DEBBIE, MAYBE YOU CAN, MAYBE I'LL TURN TO YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE SO ELOQUENT AND, UM, EXPERIENCED AND WE, WE HAVE YOU ONLY FOR A SHORT TIME HERE ON THE BOARD, BUT, UH, WITH US.
BUT, UM, CAN YOU KIND OF GUIDE US IN, UH, KIND OF A SENSE OF YOUR THINKING ON THIS, YOU AND JAY? YEAH.
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MEAN, JUST, I THINK THE CONVERSATION HERE IS, IS REALLY GOOD.UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES THAT ANY APPLICANT OR ANY APPROVED PROJECT THAT COMES BEFORE YOU IS EVER GONNA BE CONSTRUCTED.
WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
UM, ONE OF WHICH GOES BACK, UM, OVER, OVER I THINK 15 YEARS.
UM, AND HAS HAD MULTIPLE DESIGNS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES PROJECTS CHANGE FOR THE BETTER, AND SOMETIMES THEY CHANGE FOR THE WORSE, RIGHT? UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE, WE HAVE NEGLECTED PROPERTIES.
UM, BUT YOU, AGAIN, YOU HAVE TWO PROJECTS HERE ON THE AGENDA LATER, LATER TODAY THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH MULTIPLE ITERATIONS.
THE SAME THING COULD HAPPEN HERE, AND I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO BE OKAY WITH THAT.
UM, WE ALL HAVE TO BE OKAY WITH, WITH APPROVING A, A, A GOOD PROJECT THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA, KNOWING THAT IT MAY NEVER GET BUILT.
UM, WE'D BE PARALYZED IF WE LIVED IN A WORLD OF WHAT IFS, UM, OR HYPOTHETICALS AND, AND THINGS WOULDN'T PROGRESS IN THE CITY, WHICH, WHICH I THINK IS A COMMON GOAL OF OURS.
UM, WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS PROBABLY MORE OF A POSSIBILITY HERE THAN IN OTHER APPLICATIONS.
WE HAD A, AN AMAZING SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNER, UH, AT THE JULY MEETING, JUST HAD A SECOND BABY.
THEY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED.
THEY'RE READY TO BUILD IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THAT HAS A HIGHER LIKELIHOOD OF DEFINITELY MOVING FORWARD.
UM, TODAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A UNIQUE SITUATION, NO FAULT OF THE APPLICANT, WHERE WE HAVE AN ESTATE THAT NEEDS TO BE SOLD.
UM, AND SO THE LIKELIHOOD YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALL CORRECT, IS PROBABLY HIGHER THAT THIS PROJECT MAY NOT BE BUILT OR THERE MAY BE MODIFICATIONS TO THIS PROJECT BY A FUTURE OWNER, UM, WHICH IS STANDARD, WHICH WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO, UM, ACKNOWLEDGE IS A REAL POSSIBILITY HERE.
NOTWITHSTANDING THAT, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH JENNIFER, UM, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF HER ATTENTION TO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, UM, AND THE TEAM TO REALLY DRILL DOWN.
CAN WE SAVE SOME AUTHENTICITY TO THIS PROPERTY? THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO US.
UM, AND I THINK JAKE AND I WENT THROUGH A SIMILAR PROCESS THAT JENNIFER WENT THROUGH.
UM, AT FIRST, I THINK THE INITIAL CONCEPT WAS MAYBE THAT THAT BAR STRUCTURE, WHICH IS MORE INDICATIVE OF, OF THE HOUSE, THE LIVING QUARTERS.
UM, WHEN WE FIRST TALKED WITH THEM ABOUT THE GARAGE, IT TOOK ME, UM, A LITTLE BIT TO GET USED TO IT, RIGHT? 'CAUSE I'M THINKING THE GARAGE IS A UTILITARIAN STRUCTURE.
I WAS ALMOST THINKING ABOUT THE HIERARCHY OF USES.
I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHERE I WAS GOING.
SO WE KIND OF PUSHED BACK ON ON THE TEAM A LITTLE BIT.
THE MORE WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, UM, THE MORE, I THINK IT WAS SIGNIFICANT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT IS THE SCALE AND IT IS THE BREAKING DOWN OF THE MASSING.
IT'S ALSO SAVING ORIGINAL MATERIAL, WHICH, WHICH GOES TO THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE DISTRICT.
UM, WHEN I, YOU KNOW, WHEN I TAKE STUDENTS AROUND THE CITY, UM, MOST OF THE PROJECTS I BRING THEM TO ARE THE PROJECTS THAT INCLUDE BOTH ORIGINAL MATERIAL AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE MOST, UH, CHALLENGING TASK AS AN ARCHITECT IS TO TAKE, UM, A PROPERTY THAT, THAT COMBINES BOTH IN HARMONY.
AND I THINK JENNIFER DID A REALLY GREAT JOB HARMONIZING THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WITH AN AUTHENTIC PIECE OF THE HISTORIC, UH, STRUCTURE, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE KIND OF BEEN VERY MILITANT WITH OUR CONDITIONS ABOUT THAT GARAGE AND LOJA, BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT THAT AUTHENTICITY.
SO WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE TEAM, UH, DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THE DETAILS ARE, ARE AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE.
I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.
JUST LOGISTICALLY, UM, THE BOARD WILL HAVE TWO, TWO VOTES.
UM, WILL, WILL IT JUST BE TWO, ONE FOR THE VARIANCES AND ONE FOR THE, UM, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS? THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ALSO INCLUDES THE WAIVER AND THEN A SEPARATE VOTE FOR THE VARIANCES.
AND WITH THE WAIVER, IS THAT STILL, IS THAT A FOUR, UH, A FOUR SEVENTH, OR IS FIVE? IT'S A FIVE.
'CAUSE OF THE DEMOLITION REQUEST.
SO BOTH VOTES ARE REQUIRED TO BE FIVE SEVEN'S APPROVAL.
SO, UM, IN THE SPIRIT OF, OF LINDSAY PASSED, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DO A, PROBABLY A STRAW VOTE OF JUST TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE, UM, WOULD, UH, APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
AND, UM, AND THE VARIANCE IS JUST A STR A STRAW HOLD TO SEE IF WE CAN GET, IF WE GET TO FIVE, UH, IF NOT, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, FIGURE THAT OUT.
UH, LINDSAY, DO YOU WANT US TO START? DO YOU WANT THEM ONE
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AT A TIME? WHAT? DO YOU WANT THEM ONE AT A TIME, OR JUST WE NEED BOTH.GET NOW BEFORE WE, CAN I COMMENT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
SINCE YOU ARE PRESERVING THE GARAGE, SORRY.
SINCE YOU'RE PRESERVING THE GARAGE AT THE EXISTING LEVEL AND THE DISCUSSION ABOUT POTENTIAL FLOODING, MAYBE NOT TODAY, BUT IN THE FUTURE, CHANCES ARE THERE WILL BE FLOODING, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT AS YOU REINFORCE THE GARAGE, REINFORCE IN SUCH A WAY THAT IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU HAVE TO RAISE THE ROOF AND RAISE THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION OF THE GARAGE, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
SO, JUST THINKING ABOUT BUILDING RESILIENCE INTO THE FUTURE.
SO WE WON'T HAVE THE NEXT OWNER COMING HERE AND SAY, CAN I DEMOLISH THE ONLY STORY, STORY PIECE THAT WAS LEFT IN THIS PROJECT? SO IS THAT AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION, UH, TO A POTENTIAL MOTION? YES.
WE, WE ACCEPT THAT WE AS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS FOR THE APPROVAL, LIKE REHAB OTHER.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT WAS, YES.
IS THERE SOMEBODY YES, MITCH, SORRY.
ALSO INCLUDE LANGUAGE TO, UH, RETAIN THE EXISTING FIREPLACE AND INCORPORATE YEAH.
WE, WE REACHED THAT EARLIER MM-HMM
AND IF YOU'RE GOING, IF IT'S GOING TO BE A REAL FIREPLACE, PERHAPS CONSIDER, UH, REPLICATING THE EXISTING CHIMNEY, WHICH IS ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT.
UH, UH, I'VE HEARD IT TERMED AS DENTAL RELIEF, UH, ALONG THE TOP.
UH, SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AND WORK WITH STAFF.
HOW SCHOOL, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? THE, THE ADDITION OF A WINDOW ON THE WEST ELEVATION? YEAH.
THAT'S IN THE, THAT'S IN THE ORDER ALREADY.
SO, UM, LET'S FIRST DO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, UM, I MOVE ORDER, MOTION TO MOVE.
AND LET ME, IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF I COULD JUST READ THE CONDITIONS MM-HMM
UM, THE FIRST CONDITION WAS THAT THE GARAGE SHALL BE RESTORED IN A MANNER THAT CAN BE ADAPTED, UM, TO FUTURE ELEVATION RAISING OR TO FUTURE, UM, ADAPTION FOR RAISING THE FINISHED FLOOR LEVEL.
AND THEN THE SECOND CONDITION IS THAT THE APPLICANT AGREES TO RETAIN, UH, THE EXISTING FIREPLACE TO BE REINTRODUCED WITHIN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IN CHIMNEY, THERE'S A CHIMNEY AND CONSIDER, UH, THE CHIMNEY PIECES OF THE CHIMNEY.
MAYBE NOT THE OLD CHIMNEY, OBVIOUSLY.
AND THE CHIMNEY WE'RE RECREATING, UH, CHIMNEY OF THE CHIMNEY DETAILS.
YOU INTERESTED THE WEST SIDE? THAT'S ALREADY IN OUR, THAT'S RECOMME THAT'S IN THERE.
SO THE TWO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS ARE THE ADAPTATION OF THE GARAGE FOR FUTURE RAISING AND THE, UM, FIREPLACE.
AND JIM, WE, AND WE HAVE A MOTION.
DO YOU WANNA COUNT, COUNT IT DOWN.
THAT'S FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, WHICH INCLUDES THE WAIVER.
AND THEN WE WILL NEED A SECOND MOTION FOR THE VARIANCES.
MR. WHAT? OH, MR. HOLLINGWORTH.
I'M GOING, LET ME SEE IF I CAN PULL THIS ONE BETWEEN US.
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I WERE RESIDENT I'D.[4. HPB25-0660 a.k.a. HPB 7069, 1244 Ocean Drive.]
APPLICATION ON THE AGENDA THIS MORNING IS HPB 25 0 6 6 0.AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING MODIFICATIONS TO A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION, RENOVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE THREE STORY HOTEL, INCLUDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ROOFTOP POOL AND POOL DECK.
UM, SPECIFICALLY HERE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO MODIFY SEVERAL CONDITIONS OF THE FINAL ORDER.
UM, SO THIS IS, THIS GOES BACK TO 2010.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD AND CONSTRUCTED, UM, AND AGAIN, IT WAS LIMITED TO THE ROOFTOP.
UM, IT WAS SPECIFIC TO A ROOFTOP POOL AND POOL DECK.
UM, DURING THAT, UH, DISCUSSION, UM, THE BOARD THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE SOME OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS, UM, WHICH ARE QUITE UNUSUAL.
UM, BUT THIS, THIS, WE SEE THIS HAVE OCCURRED IN THE PAST.
UM, SPECIFIC TO THE ROOFTOP, UM, USE, THE ROOFTOP USE, UM, IS LIMITED TO HOTEL GAS ONLY.
UM, AND RECENTLY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS WERE AMENDED, UM, RECENTLY WITHIN THE PAST PROBABLY YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, UM, TO REQUIRE THAT ANY ROOFTOP ALCOHOL BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT THAT'S LOCATED WITHIN 200 FEET OF A RE RESIDENTIAL, UM, BUILDING DOES REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT, UM, WOULD LIKE, HAS HAD APPROACHED STAFF, THEY HAVE BEEN OPERATING FOR OVER 10 YEARS.
UM, THERE ARE NO VIOLATIONS FOR THIS ROOFTOP AREA THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN THAT TIME.
UM, AND THEY, THE APPLICANT APPROACHED US ASKING IF THEY COULD, FROM THE DOWNSTAIRS AREA, SERVE THEIR HOTEL GUESTS AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE.
UM, THERE WERE CONDITIONS IN THE HPB APPROVAL PROHIBITING THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO EXPRESSED A WILLINGNESS AND A DESIRE TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO THEY ARE IN PROCESS OF DOING THAT.
THAT'S WHERE WE RUN INTO A SIGNIFICANT CONFLICT.
UM, IN TERMS OF WHO HAS JURISDICTION OVER THE OPERATIONS OF THIS PARTICULAR USE, UM, IN, IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S POSITION, IS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS JURISDICTION OVER THE ROOFTOP USAGE HERE.
UM, AND WE WOULD SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED MODIFICATIONS TO THE CONDITIONS.
AND WE HAVE ALSO MADE A NOTE THAT SHOULD THE PLANNING BOARD REQUIRE MORE RESTRICTIVE CONDITIONS OR MORE LIBERALIZED CONDITIONS, THAT THAT IS THE ORDER THAT HAS JURISDICTION, NOT THIS BOARD.
YOU CANNOT HAVE TWO LAND USE BOARDS MAINTAINING JURISDICTION OVER, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SAME OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS WITHOUT POTENTIALLY RUNNING INTO SOME SERIOUS CONFLICTS AND POTENTIAL CHALLENGES TO THAT.
ARE THERE ANY, UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ABOUT THE, UM, ABOUT THIS APPLICANT? NO.
ABOUT WHAT SHE JUST PRESENTED? YES.
IS THERE A, UH, THEY'RE ALSO REQUESTING, UH, A SPECIAL EVENT, UH, PERMIT POSSIBILITY? UH, YEAH.
AND THAT IS, AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT IS COMMONLY DISCUSSED AND PLACED INTO CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, ORDERS BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO AGAIN, STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THEM, UH, TO THIS MODIFICATION FOR LIMITED SPECIAL EVENTS.
BUT REGARDLESS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, OF WHETHER SPECIAL EVENTS ARE AUTHORIZED OR NOT, WE HAVE, UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A CONDITION IN THE HPB ORDER THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS.
AND THEN THE PLANNING BOARD SAY, WELL, YOU CAN HAVE THREE SPECIAL EVENTS PER YEAR AND HAVE A MAJOR CONFLICT IN TERMS OF OUR BOARD ORDERS WITH CODE COMPLIANCE, NOT KNOWING WHICH RULES, UM, YEAH, IN TERMS OF THEIR ENFORCEMENT.
AND TELL US ABOUT, OR, UH, DISCUSS THE NOISE CONDITIONS, THE EXISTING, UH, CONDITION AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
UM, LET ME SEE THE SPECIFIC NOISE CONDITIONS I DO NOT BELIEVE.
WHERE ARE THE NOISE CONDITIONS? I
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DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS ANY, UM, REQUEST TO MODIFY ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS.SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S EXISTING, I GUESS WE'LL GET INTO THAT IN THE PRESENTATION.
THERE IS NO ENTERTAINMENT PERMITTED ON THE ROOF.
UM, THAT, AGAIN, WOULD REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, THERE IS NO APPLICATION AND PROCESS TO INCLUDE ENTERTAINMENT.
SO THE ONLY TYPE OF, UH, NOISE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED ON ANY PORTION OF THE OUTDOOR AREAS HERE WOULD BE AN AMBIENT.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANY SPEAKERS, AMBIENT SPEAKERS THERE OR NOT CURRENTLY.
UM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THERE HAVE BEEN NO NOISE VIOLATIONS FOR THIS ROOFTOP SINCE THEY CONSTRUCTED THE PROJECT.
WELL, I JUST THINK, I JUST, I, FOR EVERYBODY HERE, I THINK WHAT REALLY IS, IS WE ARE NOW TURNING OVER OUR AUTHORITY TO THE PLANNING BOARD BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA APPLY FOR A SPECIAL OR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH THEN IS TOTALLY HANDLED BY THEM.
THEY DETERMINE EVERYTHING, UH, UH, AND, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S FINE.
THAT'S THE WAY IT'S DONE WITH ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS THERE IN THE PAST, THE REASON THAT THEY WEREN'T INVOLVED WAS ALCOHOL WAS NOT SERVED.
NOW THEY WANNA SERVE ALCOHOL UP THERE TO THEIR GUESTS, AND AS LONG AS THEY HAVE TO DO THAT, AND THEY HAVE TO GO FOR, UH, UH, TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO HAVE POSSIBLY SOME SPECIAL EVENTS.
AND THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW, I THINK, AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT.
RANDY? RANDY, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO.
THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY CUE THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO TALK, BUT, UM, ALRIGHT, WELCOME.
I'M THE OWNER OF THE LESLIE HOTEL AND REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY.
UH, SO WE OBTAINED OUR PERMIT FOR THE LESLIE ROOF TERRACE, UH, 15 YEARS AGO.
AND PROBABLY AT THAT POINT, IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ROOF TERRACES IN ON THE BEACH.
SO EVERYTHING WAS NEW, AND WE, UH, GOT, UH, A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS THAT, UH, I THINK MADE SENSE AT THAT TIME.
THIS WAS A FIRST PATH AND, UH, THEY DON'T MAKE SENSE ANYMORE.
SO, UH, WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL ROOF TERRACE WITH A POOL, YET MY GUESTS CANNOT HAVE A BEER.
UH, WE CANNOT DO A RECEPTION FOR, UH, FIVE ROOMS THAT ARE CELEBRATING A FAMILY REUNION.
REMEMBER, THIS IS ONLY FOR GUESTS OF A VERY SMALL HOTEL, 35 ROOMS. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, UH, A MAJOR EVENT OR, UM, SOMETHING OF THAT SORT.
UH, THAT'S WHY WE, UH, CAME BACK TO THE BOARD.
WE HAVE TO DO HPV, WE HAVE TO DO PLANNING BOARD IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE THESE RULES.
WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH EVERY, UH, ONE OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND, OF COURSE, ANSWER ANY QUESTION THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE.
UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MITCH? SORRY.
SO TYPICALLY, REMEMBER THIS IS A 35 ROOM HOTEL.
WE WILL RECEIVE AN EMAIL SAYING, I WANT A QUOTE FOR 10 ROOMS. WE HAVE A FAMILY REUNION AND WE WANNA WELCOME COCKTAIL THE DAY OF THE ARRIVAL.
OR WE HAVE A BRUNCH ON A SUNDAY, AND WE WANT TO HAVE A HAPPY HOUR FROM, FOR ONLY FOR A GROUP.
AND SO IT WOULD BE VERY HARD FOR US TO SAY YES.
AND YOU NEED TO PULL A PERMIT FOR THAT.
UH, TYPICALLY, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROBABLY EIGHT PEOPLE, 12 PEOPLE, 15 PEOPLE.
THIS IS, UH, PRETTY MUCH THE SCOPE OF OUR, OUR EVENTS.
WE'RE NOT OPENING THIS AREA TO THE PUBLIC.
WE'RE NOT BRINGING PEOPLE, WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE THE INTERNAL VERTICAL CIRCULATION TO BRING PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE HOTEL.
UH, WE'RE TRYING TO LIMIT THIS FOR HOTEL GUESTS.
WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 15 YEARS.
WE'VE NEVER DID AN EVENT OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF OUR GUESTS.
SO YOU DON'T ENVISION HAVING A BOSTON NOVA TRIO UP THERE? NO, NO, NO.
THIS IS, THIS IS TYPICALLY HAPPY HOURS.
UH, USUALLY A WELCOME COCKTAIL.
IT'S A SALES RETREAT FROM A SMALL COMPANY THAT HAS EIGHT ROOMS, 12 ROOMS, 15 ROOMS. THEY WANT TO DO A LITTLE EVENT IN THE ROOF TERRACE.
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WE DO HAVE A DUMB WAITER THAT CONNECTS OUR KITCHEN TO THE AREA.UH, BUT THE VERTICAL CIRCULATION IS VERY COMPLICATED BECAUSE OUR, UH, ELEVATOR COMES TO A THIRD FLOOR, THEN YOU HAVE TO WALK THROUGH THE STAIRS TO GET, SO WE DON'T HAVE THE OPERATIONAL CAPACITY TO THROW AN EVENT.
UH, SO YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE A DUMB WAITER SURFACE? WE DO HAVE A, YOU DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE A CURRENT DUMB WAITER.
CONNECTING FROM OUR KITCHEN ALL THE WAY TO THE TERRACE.
SO YOUR ROOFTOP DOESN'T A DA REQUIREMENTS FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GO UP TO IT DOES.
IT DOES, IT HAS A VERTICAL LIFT TO, FOR THE, FOR THE THIRD TO THE FLOOR CONNECTION.
OH, I, I, THEY HAD THE STAIRS, BUT THAT, THAT VERTICAL LIFT WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE FOR AN, THE OPERATION OF AN EVENT.
IT JUST IS ACTUALLY INTENDED FOR AN A DA PROBLEM.
SO THERE, THERE WOULD NOT BE A BAR ON THE ROOF.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, WOULD THERE BE THERE'S NO INSTALLATION.
THERE'S NO FIXED INSTALLATION.
AND THE RESTRICTIONS, UH, DO NOT ALLOW US TO HAVE A BAR.
WOULD SOMEBODY BE ABLE TO ORDER A DRINK FROM THE ROOF? YES.
BUT THAT ASKING, BUT YEAH, IN THE FUTURE, THIS GOES THROUGH, YES, YOU WILL BE ABLE, BECAUSE WE HAVE A WAITER AND HE WILL TAKE YOUR ORDER.
WE HAVE A RESTAURANT DOWNSTAIRS.
WE WILL SEND THE DRINKS AND YES.
AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT, UH, PROPERLY.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OKAY.
WHY WERE THESE RESTRICTIONS PLACED IN THE FIRST PLACE? I THINK WHEN, I THINK THAT IT HAS MORE TO DO THAN WE WERE THE FIRST ONES.
WE HAVE A BUILDING, UH, WEST TO US THAT, UH, AT THAT POINT WERE VERY AFRAID THAT, UH, ALCOHOL WILL BRING NOISE AND WILL RAISE THE OVERALL.
AND THEY WERE VERY AFRAID THAT WE WOULD TURN THAT INTO DIFFERENT EVENTS, UH, FRIDAY NIGHTS, SATURDAY NIGHTS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, SO I THINK AT THAT TIME WHEN WE'D REDEVELOPED THIS PROPERTY, UH, FOR US IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE POOL ITSELF, UH, ALLOWED TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
AND SO WE AGREED TO VERY STRICT RESTRICTIONS.
AFTER US, UH, MANY OTHER PROPERTIES CAME BY STANDARD VICTOR.
THEY, A LOT OF NEW, UH, PROJECTS CAME BY.
AND I THINK WE HAVE THE, UH, BIGGEST RESTRICTIONS IN, IN, IN, IN, IN THE AREA.
WHAT IS THE CURRENT, CURRENT CAPACITY? WHAT IS THE CURRENT CAPACITY? CURRENT CAPACITY IS 50 PEOPLE.
AND THE BUILDING TO THE WEST IS STILL THERE.
ARE THEY OPPOSING IT WHAT YOU'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO? NO, WE, WE, I DON'T THINK THEY SEE, BASICALLY THEY'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE REQUESTING TO SERVE ALCOHOL IN AN EXISTING TERRORIST WITH AN EXISTING THERE, THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION INVOLVED.
I DON'T THINK THEY'VE, UH, THEY HAVE NOT EXPRESSED ANY OPPOSITION.
I'M NOT RIGHTLY, FULLY SURE IF THEY'VE EVEN KNOW THEY WERE DOING THIS.
UH, WE HAD A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, AND WE'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH THEM.
AND I THINK THEY'RE HAPPY THEY WENT FROM, UH, BEING NERVOUS WITH THIS, TO BEING VERY HAPPY TO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF A, OF A SWIMMING POOL AND A NICE AREA INSTEAD OF A AIR CONDITIONING ROOFTOP.
UH, SO I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.
ANY, ANY, ANY FURTHER? ELIZABETH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
THE 50 PEOPLE MAXIMUM CAPACITIES THAT DETERMINED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL AND THE, I'M SO SORRY.
THE 50 PEOPLE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY THAT YOU HAVE NOW, IS IT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF THE EXITS THAT YOU HAVE BY THE FIRE MARSHAL? OR HOW HAS THE NUMBER COME UP WITH? I THINK BECAUSE OUR, UH, FIRE WISE, WE HAVE A, UH, BIGGER CAPACITY.
SO THE 50 PROBABLY WAS PART OF A NEGOTIATION AT SOME POINT.
ORIGINALLY WE ARE, UH, WAY ABOVE.
WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBER.
UH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO HAVE 50 PEOPLE THERE.
AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR INCREASING THAT OR, ALRIGHT.
UM, THE SAME ENTITY HAS OWNED THE BUILDING THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.
THE SAME GROUP HAS OWNED THE BUILDING SINCE THE ORIGINAL YES.
THAT'S, I THOUGHT WE, WE ACTUALLY DEVELOPED THIS TERRACE BECAUSE OF COURSE IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T THERE IN, IN THE BEGINNING.
SEEING NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, I WANT TO ASK
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IF THERE ARE, UM, BOARD DISCLOSURES, DISCLOSURES, DISCLOSURES, DISCLOSURES? NONE.CAN WE OPEN THIS TO THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARING? YES.
IF YOU'RE IN THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE COME FORWARD ON ZOOM.
I LIVE AT THE ISLANDER RIGHT ACROSS FROM THEM.
THEY DO HAVE A VERY NICE HOTEL.
AND I REMEMBER THEY REQUEST, THEY REQUESTED PERMISSION BEFORE AND WE HAD TO OBJECT TO IT.
I DO WORK FROM HOME, I WORK FOR AMERICAN AIRLINES AS YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE LIKE 500 FLIGHTS A DAY.
I AM IN CHARGE OF HELPING PEOPLE WHO GET STUCK IN THE AIRPORTS.
AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY'S GOTTEN STUCK SOMETIME.
I HAVE TO BE VERY KIND AND PATIENT AND CONCENTRATE.
CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC? I'M, I'M HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE HEARING.
YES, I WOULD LIKE TO, OH, I'M SORRY.
AND I NEED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, PATIENCE WITH THEM AND CONCENTRATE.
AND I CAN'T HAVE ANY NOISE IN THE BACKGROUND RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE ENOUGH NOISE FROM DOWNSTAIRS FROM ALL THE OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE PARTIES AND THINGS.
BUT IF IT GETS TOLERABLE, I'M AFRAID THAT IF THIS GOES ON AND OUR NEIGHBORS, WHICH ALSO SOME OF THEM WHO WORK ALSO FROM HOME, ARE GONNA BE DISRUPTED WITH THE NOISE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DRINKING AND SPEAKING LOUD.
AND THEY'RE RIGHT ACROSS FROM US, RIGHT ACROSS TO WORK LIKE YOU ARE.
I'M SORRY, BUT I AM AGAINST THAT.
SO YOU, I'M SORRY, PATRICIA, YOU'RE SEPARATED BY AN ALLEY? YEAH, THE ALLEY THAT SEPARATES, I LIVE ON THE EIGHTH FLOOR, SO I HAVE THE OCEAN VIEW.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN THE ISLANDER? YEAH.
RIGHT AT RIGHT OUT YOUR WINDOW.
NO, DO, DO YOU HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON TODAY FROM UP THERE? PEOPLE AT THE POOL A LOT.
IS IT, I MEAN, NOT FROM HIM BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN BEHAVING, SO NO, NO.
I'M TALKING ABOUT FROM THE LESLIE.
NO, NO, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY NOISES, NOTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IF THEY DO GO THROUGH THIS, I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE GOOD PARTIES.
HAVE THEY HAD PARTIES UP THERE? NO.
SO YOU'RE FOR OR AGAINST APPROVAL OF IT? I'M, I'M AGAINST IT.
I MEAN, I MEAN, THERE'S ENOUGH PLACES WHERE THEY CAN GO DRINK.
I MEAN, WHY, DO YOU KNOW WHY THE ROOF? I MEAN, IT'S MONEY WISE.
BUT NO MORE, BECAUSE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THEM THERE'S 64 APARTMENTS.
WE'VE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR A LONG TIME, SO NOW IT'S, IT'S TOO MUCH ALREADY.
HI, ROGER GOLDBLATT, MDPL 10 0 1 OCEAN DRIVE.
UH, WE ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROXIMITY OF RESIDENTIAL USES AND THE POTENTIAL FOR DISTURBANCES TO RESIDENTS NEARBY BUILDINGS, PARTICULARLY THE LARGE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS DIRECTLY BEHIND THE PROPERTY.
WE WANT TO ENSURE THE PROPER OUTREACH HAS BEEN CONDUCTED WITH THESE NEIGHBORING BUILDING OWNERS AND RESIDENTS SO THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THE PROPOSED CHANGES OF TO ROOFTOP OPERATIONS.
SEEING NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT HERE, UH, THERE, IS THERE ANYBODY ONLINE? YES.
UM, OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS SERGIO HORTA.
DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.
MY NAME IS SERGIO HUTA AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE ISLANDER CONDOMINIUM LOCATED DIRECTLY WEST OF THE LESLIE HOTEL.
UH, PATRICIA LIVES IN OUR BUILDING.
SHE JUST EXPRESSED HER THOUGHTS AND, UH, I'VE HAD A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS COME UP TO ME AND TELL ME TO PARTICIPATE AT THIS MEETING TODAY.
UM, AND, AND TO SHOW OUR OPPOSITION, UH, FOR THE EXTENSION OF THESE SCHOOL HOURS.
UM, MANY OF THE UNITS THAT ARE BUILDING, UH, TO BE PARTICULAR, THE ONES WEST OF OUR BUILDING ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED ALREADY BY THE LIGHT AND THE NOISE THAT GOES ON AT THE LESLIE HOTEL AND THE OTHER HOTELS ON OCEAN DRIVE.
AND SO I'M JUST HERE TO, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT MY RESIDENTS HERE AND, AND SHOW MY OPPOSITION TO THE EXTENSION OF THE HOURS.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER HAS A, UH, SCREEN NAME OF KG.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
AND, UH, UH, KEVIN GREEN? YEAH, KEVIN GREEN AT THE ISLAND, OR 1255 COLLINS.
UM, IT WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER IF THE LESLIE HADN'T REACHED OUT TO US.
I MEAN, OUR BUILDINGS WAS BUILT IN 1964 OR 65, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE
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JUST A NEW BUILDING THAT POPPED UP NEXT TO 'EM.UM, BUT EVEN RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE REGULATIONS WHERE THEY CAN'T HAVE ANY, UH, AUDIO AT ALL.
UH, AND THE, ALL THE LIGHTING HAS TO BE BELOW THE PARAPET, I THINK.
IS THAT HOW YOU SAY IT? SO, REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT EXTENDING THE HOURS.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S BASICALLY TILL SUNSET.
BUT OUR WINDOWS ARE DIRECTLY, I MEAN, JUST ACROSS AN ALLEY, UH, FROM THERE AND BEING OPEN TILL 11 O'CLOCK AND THEN TWO O'CLOCK ON SOME OCCASIONS, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST GONNA BE LIGHTING UP, UH, PEOPLE'S BEDROOM WINDOWS.
THEY, THEIR BEDROOM WINDOWS ARE ONCE FACING THE HOTEL, UH, DECK THERE.
AND LESLIE HAS BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS, UH, BUT THEY DID NOT REACH OUT TO A BUILDING TO TRY TO, UH, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS, UH, POSSIBILITIES OF HOW THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE THINGS.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS HOTEL GUESTS.
THAT'S ONE THING, BUT I BELIEVE I READ THAT IT WAS HOTEL GUESTS AND THEIR GUESTS.
SO NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE BRINGING UP PEOPLE AND, AND IT'S STARTING TO BECOME SUCCESSFUL.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DRINKING AND PARTIES GOING ON TILL 1:00 AM 2:00 AM ON THE WEEKENDS.
I SEE NO OTHER MEMBERS WISHING TO COMMENT.
WITH THAT, WE WILL, UH, CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, ASKED THE, DID YOU WANNA RESPOND TO ANY OF THE PUBLIC, UM, COMMENTS? YES.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UH, THESE 2:00 AM UH, REQUEST THAT WE'RE DOING, IT'S BASICALLY, UH, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT TWO DATES.
IT'S THE 4TH OF JULY AND, UH, DECEMBER 31ST, THIS IS WHEN WE HAVE THIS FIREWORKS AND OUR GUESTS USUALLY GO UP TO THE TERRACE AND THEY WANT TO SEE THE FIREWORKS FROM THAT AREA.
SO I WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO RESTRICT THIS TO THOSE DATES AND SO THAT THERE'S NO FANTASY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO A 2:00 AM SOMETHING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, IT'S NOT OUR INTENTION AND WE, WE NO PROBLEM TO BE BOUNDED TO IT.
UH, IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD DO? THANK YOU.
I, I THINK IT'S BETTER DONE THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
UM, BECAUSE THE PLANNING BOARD WILL REALLY IS THE, IS THE BODY THAT HAS JURISDICTION OVER ANY ROOFTOP USE THAT INCLUDES ALCOHOL, THAT IS IN PROXIMITY TO A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
UM, BUT I THINK IF WE WANTED TO MODIFY THE, RIGHT NOW, IT'S THE HOLIDAYS, RIGHT? IF YOU WANTED TO SAY, UM, NEW YEAR'S EVE AND 4TH OF JULY.
BUT WE DO, WE DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE THE CONDITION THAT IN THE EVENT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS GRANTED FOR THE ROOFTOP, THE HOURS OF OPERATION SHALL BE, UM, AUTHORIZED BY THE PLANNING BOARD SHALL CONTROL MM-HMM
SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE DUELING TIMES, WHICH WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR, FOR THE CITY TO ENFORCE, RIGHT? YES.
AND I JUST, IF I COULD JUST POINT OUT TO, TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UM, WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, ANY SERVICE OF ALCOHOL ON THIS ROOFTOP WILL REQUIRE, IT'S NOT LIKE IF THE BOARD MODIFIES THESE CONDITIONS TODAY, THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT IMMEDIATELY.
THAT WILL REQUIRE A HEARING IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD AS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, IF THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVES THAT, THE PLANNING BOARD MAINTAINS JURISDICTION OVER THE USE OF THE ROOFTOP, AND ANY COMPLAINTS OR NOISE VIOLATIONS OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF VIOLATION OF A PLANNING BOARD ORDER IS SUBJECT TO A MODIFICATION AND REVOCATION HEARING IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO IT'S REALLY IN STAFF'S OPINION, UM, THE MORE APPROPRIATE MECHANISM TO ENFORCE AND CONTROL THE, THE ROOFTOP USES THAT SERVE ALCOHOL.
AND DEBBIE, JUST BASED ON WHERE THE DISCUSSION'S GOING, MAYBE THE BOARD THE ORDER COULD BE AMENDED TO SAY THE HOURS, UM, AND DATES AS AUTHORIZED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO WE, ANY QUESTIONS FOR, FOR, FOR STAFF OR COMMENTS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE? UM, I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING IS WE'RE GIVING UP OUR, UH, OVERSIGHT TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THE, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE WAY TO GO WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORRIED ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE ON THE ROOF, THERE'S ONLY 50
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PEOPLE ALLOWED.IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER THEY'RE THE 50 PEOPLE THAT ARE STAYING AT THE HOTEL OR, OR THEIR FRIENDS OR GUESTS THAT ARE COMING, 50 IS THE MAXIMUM.
AND IF ANY OF THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE WAY SEE 51ST PERSON CALL CODE COMPLIANCE, THAT'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
UM, SO I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALLY NEED TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
UH, SO I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND SEEING THIS ORDER THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ISSUED IN 2010.
SO FAR AS WE KNOW, THEY'VE NOT HAD ANY SORT OF VIOLATIONS OR ANYTHING LODGED OR, YOU KNOW, FOUND TO BE, YOU KNOW, UM, VIABLE.
UM, SO I'M WILLING, I, I THINK I'M WILLING TO NOW SEED THE AUTHORITY TO THE BOARD THAT DOES THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS RATHER THAN US, YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK THAT, UM, AGAIN, AND IT'D BE DIFFERENT MAYBE IF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS HAD CHANGED HANDS AND IT'S A NEW OPERATOR AND THEY DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
BUT IT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS, IT SEEMS THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, MY OVERSIGHT OVER, UM, ALCOHOL USE AND HOURS OF, OF SUCH OUTSIDE OF THE CONTEXT OF APPROVING, UM, UH, A, A PROJECT BEFORE ME, UM, I THINK IS, I, I I'M WILLING TO SEED THAT.
I LIVE IN THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, AND I, UH, HAVE TO SAY, UH, FOR AT LEAST THE LAST 15 YEARS, I'VE OPPOSED EVERY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST REQUESTING ENTERTAINMENT USES, UH, ON, ON THE OUTSIDE.
I'M SURE DEBORAH, UH, AND STAFF WOULD, WOULD, WOULD ATTEST TO THAT.
WE'RE GONNA OPEN THE DOOR, AND ONCE YOU OPEN THE DOOR, THOSE, UH, YOUR NEIGHBOR'S QUALITY OF LIFE IS GONNA PLUNGE.
AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS LOUD AND CLEAR.
UH, UH, AN EXAMPLE, UH, COULD BE THE MOXIE, UH, THE FINAL ORDER SAID NO ENTERTAINMENT ON THE ROOF AND FOR, UH, SIX EVENTS LAST YEAR.
AND IT TURNED INTO A BATTLE BETWEEN ME AND CODE AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO AGREED, OR THE LESSEE WHO AGREED YES, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD THAT, UH, THOSE EVENTS ON THE ROOF.
UH, AS PER THE ORDER, NO VIOLATION WA WAS ISSUED MYSELF, THE RESIDENTS AND MY GUESTS AT MY PROPERTY WERE, UH, WERE, UH, GREATLY, UH, UH, INCONVENIENCED DUE TO BAND MUSIC, UH, UH, FOR, FOR, FOR, FOR THOSE SPECIAL EVENTS.
UH, BACK IN THE EARLY YEARS OF MANGOES, MY NEIGHBOR, THEY HAD AN OPEN COURTYARD.
UH, YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT SONG, MACARENA, UH, MY BUILDING AT THE TIME WAS, UH, OCCUPIED.
UH, MOST OF THE RESIDENTS WERE HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS.
IT WAS SO STRANGE TO HAVE THEM.
THEY CAN'T HANDLE THAT SONG EVERY 20 MINUTES.
EITHER A BAND OR THE SOUNDTRACK WOULD COME ON.
AND, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS VERY DISRUPTIVE.
SO I'M INCLINED TO, UH, NOT VOTE FOR THIS.
IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL, UH, OTHER THAN THE FACT OF HOW, UH, ENTERTAINMENT NOISE HAS IMPACTED MY PROPERTY AND MYSELF, UH, LIVING IN THAT DISTRICT.
UH, DEBBIE, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? IF WE, UM, IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS TODAY, UM, WHEN, WHAT IS, CAN THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, TAKE AN APPLICATION SEPARATELY, UH, FROM US, SINCE THIS IS REALLY THEIR JURISDICTION? WE'VE RUN INTO THIS SITUATION PREVIOUSLY, AND YES, THE PLANNING BOARD COULD ENTER INTO AN ORDER APPROVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUT THE CONFLICT DOES NOT GO AWAY.
THIS ORDER NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED.
BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A CONFLICT, RIGHT? IMAGINE YOU'RE A CODE OFFICER AND HPB IS TELLING YOU YOU HAVE CERTAIN HOURS, AND PLANNING BOARD IS TELLING YOU YOU HAVE DIFFERENT HOURS.
AND WE, WE DON'T HAVE ONE THAT CONTROLS THAT, THAT WE WERE CHALLENGED ON A SIMILAR SITUATION.
WE LOST THAT CHALLENGE AND, AND JURISDICTION WAS GRANTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, I THINK IN THIS INSTANCE, I DO WANNA POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS.
THE APPLICANT IS NOT ASKING FOR ENTERTAINMENT.
THERE IS A CONDITION IN THE HPB ORDER THAT PROHIBITS
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ENTERTAINMENT.IF THEY DID WANT TO SEEK ENTERTAINMENT, OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, THEY WOULD ALSO NEED TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ASKING TO MODIFY THAT CONDITION IN THE HPB ORDER TODAY.
UM, TO THE POINT OF THE SOUND AND THE LIGHTING, THERE ARE, THERE ARE CONDITIONS IN THE GOVERNING HPB ORDER REGARDING SOUND AND LIGHTING.
THOSE CONDITIONS ARE NOT REQUESTED TO BE MODIFIED TODAY.
UM, SO STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH THIS AS PROPOSED.
AND WE, WE DO WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO AVOID A CONFLICT BETWEEN TWO LAND USE SPORTS FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES.
I THINK IT'S ESSENTIAL THAT WE DO THAT.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, LINDSAY? YEAH, I DO.
UM, I JUST WANNA ASK THIS ON THE RECORD.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S SUBJECT TO THESE TYPE OF REQUIREMENTS? UM, IN THIS DISTRICT? THIS IS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE ONE THAT I'M AWARE OF IN OCEAN DRIVE OR COLLINS AVENUE.
UM, AGAIN, AS JUAN PABLO STATED, THIS WAS LIKE THE FIRST ONE, ONE OF THE EARLIEST.
AND, AND I THINK PEOPLE WERE, YOU KNOW, REASONABLY SO NERVOUS, UM, OF ROOFTOP USES.
SO THESE, THIS LIST OF RESTRICTIONS IS THE, UM, MOST RESTRICTIVE THAT I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IF WE, CAN YOU PUT THE MIC CLOSER? YES, I CAN BARELY HEAR.
AND
SO IF WE, I MEAN, IF THE HOURS THEY ARE REQUESTING FOR, THEY WOULD BE MORE IN LINE WITH THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THE OTHER TWO QUESTIONS I HAVE ARE REGARDING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IF IT GOES TO PLANNING AND THEY HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPROVED, HOW LONG IS THAT CONDITIONAL PERMIT? GOOD THROUGH? UM, IT'S, IT'S GOOD IN PERPETUITY AS LONG AS THE PLANNING BOARD DOES NOT REVOKE OR MODIFY THE, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO THE, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE PLANNING BOARD'S JURISDICTION IS THEY MAINTAIN JURISDICTION OVER MULTIPLE OWNERS THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE BUILDING AND THE USE.
UM, IF THERE IS A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT, THAT WOULD REQUIRE GOING BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD AS A PROGRESS REPORT.
UM, SO THE PLANNING BOARD DOES MAINTAIN JURISDICTION.
THEY ALSO MAINTAIN THE RIGHT TO REVOKE OR MODIFY.
SO IF THEY GET COMPLAINTS, NEIGHBORHOOD COMPLAINTS ABOUT NOISE OR WHATEVER THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOWED TO USE THE SPACE FOR, THEN THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD TRIGGER POTENTIALLY THE PLAN, THE PLANNING, YES, IT WOULD DEFINITELY TRIGGER A PLANNING BOARD, UM, DISCUSSION.
AND, UM, OH, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT? OH, GREAT.
IT'S MY OPINION THAT PEOPLE UP ON THE ROOFTOP RIGHT NOW ARE DRINKING ANYWAY.
THEY'RE JUST GOING DOWN AND BUYING THE DRINKS AND TAKING IT UP THEMSELVES.
AND I THINK THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMEBODY SERVE THEM INSTEAD OF MAKING THEM GO DOWNSTAIRS AND GET THE DRINKS AND BRING THEM BACK UP.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR YOU TO SAY YES OR NO TO THAT.
WELL, I'M GLAD IT WASN'T YOUR HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER, RAY, BECAUSE I I KNOW YOU'RE
UM, BUT I, I DID WANT TO, UH, ASK DEBBIE, 'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERNS ME IS WHAT ROGER BROUGHT UP.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE, JUST THE, THE PRECEDENT FOR KIND OF HAVING THE NEIGHBORS COME IN WITHOUT EITHER KNOWLEDGE OR, AND THE APPLICANT UNDER SAYING THAT THERE WAS NO, UH, KNOWLEDGE OF THAT HE DIDN'T REACH OUT.
WERE THE NEIGHBORS, UM, KIND OF NOTIFIED YES, BY USUAL PROCESS, THEY WOULD'VE BY THE USUAL PROCESS, WHICH INCLUDES THE MAIL NOTICE AS WELL AS THE SITE POSTING AND A POSTING ON THE MIAMI-DADE COUNTY LIST OF MEETING WEBSITE.
SO THIS, THIS WAS PROPERLY NOTICED? YES.
UM, AND, AND FOR THAT MATTER, ANY, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION WOULD ALSO BE NOTICED? YES.
SO THAT, THAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD ALSO BE NOTIFIED REGARDING THAT.
AND ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU, JUST ON THAT LINE, IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR FROM THE PEOPLE AT LEAST WHO SPOKE TO US TODAY, THAT THERE WAS NO COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THEM EVEN IF THEY WERE NOTIFIED.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING IN, IN MANY INSTANCES WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE.
UH, IS THERE ANY, UM, WOULD THERE BE ANY ADVANTAGE THAT YOU COULD SEE TO, UM, CONTINUING THIS TO A DATE CERTAIN SO THAT, THAT, SO THAT ANY POTENTIAL CONVERSATIONS COULD TAKE PLACE? I MEAN, I THINK WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE COMMUNICATION WITH, ESPECIALLY WITH RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS.
UM, HOWEVER, I THINK THOSE DISCUSSIONS WOULD LIKELY BE MORE PRODUCTIVE DURING THE PLANNING BOARD APPLICATION PROCESS BECAUSE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WILL, WILL MAKE THE DECISION ABOUT THE
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HOURS AND THE NOISE.WELL, THE NOISE LEVEL'S GONNA BE AMBIENT 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT ASKING TO CHANGE THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CAN IMPOSE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE NEIGHBORS.
SO, SO I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE MORE, MORE DETAILED DISCUSSIONS AT THAT POINT, BECAUSE THIS DOES NOT DO ANYTHING.
THIS DOES NOT ALLOW THEM TO SERVE ALCOHOL ON THE ROOF.
THIS MODIFICATION, THE PLANNING BOARD IS THE ONE THAT WILL DO.
SO WE'RE JUST, SO THIS REALLY DOES NOT CHANGE.
I MEAN, THE, THE HOURS ARE, ARE SLIGHTLY ENHANCED AND HONESTLY THERE, THEY'RE CLARIFIED MORE THAN ANYTHING, UM, DUE TO THE FACT THE PREVIOUS HOURS HAD PER MONTH, THE, THE DIFFERENT HOURS, WHICH IS, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT UNUSUAL.
THIS WOULD JUST DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN WORK WEEK AND, UH, WEEKEND HOURS AND HOLIDAYS.
AND SO YEAH, I DIDN'T, BUT UH, BUT IF THIS GETS APPROVED TODAY, THEY CANNOT SERVE ALCOHOL.
AND, AND I WILL BE 100% HONEST WITH YOU.
I AGREE WITH RAY, RIGHT? I, YOU KNOW, BRING UP YOUR OWN BOTTLE OF CHAMPAGNE.
THEY HAVE SIGNS ALL OVER THE ROOFTOP THAT NO ONE CAN DRINK ALCOHOL.
THEY HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLE MANAGERS OF THIS PROPERTY AND IT'S, IT'S ALMOST HOSTILE, RIGHT? IF I'M ON VACATION, I GO UP TO THE ROOF AND I SEE A SIGN THAT I NEED TO LEAVE BECAUSE I WANNA CAUSE THE CHAMPAGNE.
BUT THEY, THEY HAVE BEEN, WHICH I THINK IS, IT GOES TO THE FACT THAT NOT ONLY DID I FIND NO VIOLATIONS, I FOUND NO COMPLAINTS REGISTERED WITH CODE COMPLIANCE OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS.
AND WE KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE VERY CLOSE TO THAT ROOFTOP WHO COULD HAVE COMPLAINED.
SO THIS, SO WE'RE REALLY VOTING, UM, ON JUST WHETHER OR NOT THIS, THIS APPLICATION CAN PASS TO, TO THE COMMITTEE, TO THE BOARD THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE, UM, IN HEAD THE JURISDICTION OVER THESE, OVER WHAT'S BEING APPROVED HERE.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I THINK, UH, WE GO TO, UM, WE FINISH BOARD MEMBER COMMENT AND I WOULD REC, I WOULD ACCEPT A MOTION, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THE, UM, MODIFICATION OR WHICH WAY IS IT? YEAH, THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE PREVIOUSLY GRANTED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WITH CONDITIONS.
CAN I MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? SURE.
JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE INCORPORATE THE REVISIONS.
UM, SO ONE WOULD BE THAT AS THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS STATED THAT IT WOULD BE JULY 4TH AND DECEMBER 31ST ONLY UNTIL 2:00 AM AND THAT AN EVENT, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS GRANTED FOR THE ROOFTOP, THE DATES AND HOURS OF OPERATION MM-HMM
YOU OKAY WITH THAT? WELL, THAT, I'M FINE WITH THAT, BUT IT, WE'D BE, THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD DO THAT, BUT YEAH.
LET ME CALL THE ROLE, UM, MS. CAMARGO? YES.
WE'RE JUST GONNA TAKE A QUICK TWO TO THREE MINUTE BREAK.
[5. HPB25-0662 a.k.a. HPB 7490, 3425 Collins Avenue.]
THE NEXT APPLICATION ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS HPB 25 0 6 6 2.AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING MODIFICATIONS TO A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION RENOVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE EXISTING 16 STORY BUILDING, INCLUDING THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF THE, UH, PREVIOUSLY EXISTING 1955 SOUTH EDITION, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW 16 STORY DETACHED GROUND LEVEL EDITION.
UH, SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING MODIFICATIONS TO THE DESIGN OF GUARDHOUSE AND,
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UH, THE DETACHED RESIDENTIAL EDITION.SO DEBBIE, I'M GONNA NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS ITEM.
AND WE'LL GIVE YOU THE FORM TO FILL OUT, WHICH YOU CAN BRING BACK TO US, UM, WHEN WE CONCLUDE.
UM, SO MR. CHAIR, THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THE APPLICATIONS I WAS REFERENCING EARLIER.
THE, THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL FOR THIS ACTUALLY DATES BACK TO 2011.
UM, SINCE THAT TIME, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL, UH, DESIGN MODIFICATIONS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD.
UH, MOST RECENTLY, UM, IN 2021, UM, THE BOARD ACTUALLY APPROVED, APPROVED THE FINAL DESIGN FOR BOTH THE HISTORIC VERSAILLES AS WELL AS, UH, THE NEW MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL TOWER.
UM, SINCE THAT TIME, THE APPLICANT HAS RECEIVED A FULL BUILDING PERMIT.
UH, THE PROJECT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UM, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ITS, UM, IMMINENT RETURN TO ACTIVE USE.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY REQUESTING DESIGN MODIFICATIONS TO, UM, AGAIN, THE, BOTH THE, THE GUARDHOUSE PORTION, WHICH IS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, FRONTING NINE COLLINS AVENUE, AS WELL AS THE NEW RESIDENTIAL.
UH, WITH REGARD TO THE GUARDHOUSE, THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE THE WESTERN MOST, UH, GUARDHOUSE.
THERE WERE TWO GUARDHOUSE ORIGINALLY APPROVED BY THIS BOARD.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ELIMINATING THE, THE ONE ON THE WEST THERE, CONSOLIDATING THE GUARDHOUSE FUNCTIONS INTO THE EASTERN GUARDHOUSE, UM, AND SLIGHTLY EXPANDING THE, THE GUARDHOUSE ON THE EAST TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THE REQUIRED FUNCTIONS.
UM, THIS MODIFICATION ALSO RESULTS IN THE ELIMINATION OF AN EXIT DRIVE ONTO COLLINS AVENUE.
UM, STAFF IS EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PARTICULAR MODIFICATION, UM, WHICH, UH, SHOULD ENHANCE, UH, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE ALONG COLLINS AVENUE BY ELIMINATING THAT CARP CUT, UM, EXITING THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THIS AND ARE OUR SUPPORTIVE AND RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
UM, WITH REGARD TO THE, THE MODIFICATIONS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL ADDITION, AGAIN, THE, THE DESIGN OF THAT PRIMARILY WAS APPROVED IN 2021, ALTHOUGH THERE HAD BEEN SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS, UM, SINCE THAT TIME.
UM, THE, THE OVERALL DESIGN WAS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD IN 2021.
UM, CURRENTLY THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, REACHED OUT TO STAFF AS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH, UM, THEIR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND THEIR ENGINEERING OF THESE ELEMENTS.
UM, IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THAT IN ORDER TO TRY AND, UM, CREATE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT THE BOARD HAD APPROVED, UM, THE ENGINEERING IS GOING TO RESULT IN MUCH LARGER ELEMENTS.
UM, NOT ONLY THAT THE, IT'S LIKE A VERTICAL SCREENING.
UM, NOT ONLY WOULD ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS NEED TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED, BUT THE ATTACHMENT DETAIL, UM, WOULD ALSO REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT UPSIZING.
SO IN LIEU OF THE RENDERINGS THAT THE BOARD HAD PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, THE DESIGN INTENT WOULD, WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE IN TERMS OF, I THINK, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS STATED IT WOULD BE ABOUT SIX TIMES BULKIER THIS TYPE OF SCREEN THAN IT WAS SHOWN TO THE BOARD.
UM, SO AFTER THE, UH, APPLICANT APPROACHED US, THEY EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT THEY BELIEVED, AND THE, THE DESIGN ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT AGREED THAT THAT WOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON, ON THEIR ORIGINAL DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AND THEIR INTENT OF THE BUILDING.
THEREFORE, THE APPLICANT DID, UH, RE IS REQUESTING CURRENTLY TO REMOVE THAT ELEMENT.
UM, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE, UM, OF THE MODIFICATION.
WE, WE DO BELIEVE THAT EVEN WITHOUT THE SCREEN, THE BUILDING STILL HAS A, A VERY HIGH QUALITY LEVEL OF ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.
UM, THE REMOVAL OF THE SCREEN WE'VE NOTED ALSO BETTER EXPRESSES THE ORIGINAL FOLDED PAPER, UM, DESIGN CONCEPT, UM, WITH THE ELIMINATION OF THOSE VERTICAL ELEMENTS.
SO WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE, OF THE REQUESTED MODIFICATIONS.
UM, AND WE REALLY DO HOPE THAT, UH, CONSTRUCTION CONTINUES AT THE CURRENT PACE AND THIS PROPERTY RETURNS TO, UH, ACTIVE USE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO WITH THAT, I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, THE BOARD MAY HAVE, UH, I JUST HAVE ONE, UH, ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, DEBBIE.
THE, UM, IN THE CONSOLIDATED ORDER, IT INCLUDES BOTH THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND, UH, VARIANCES.
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UM, ADDRESSING ANY VARIANCES.THE VARIANCES WERE ALL WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, THE VARIANCES WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT ASKING TO CORRECT, UM, MODIFY ANY OF THOSE VARIANCES.
GOOD MORNING, MR. MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, NEESON KADEN AND MARISSA AMAL OF AKERMAN REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
UM, DEBBIE HAS EXPRESSED THIS, UH, IF WE COULD PLEASE, WELL, WE HAVE THE, THERE WE GO.
HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP THERE.
UH, THIS IS FOR MODIFICATION SOLELY FOR THE EXTERIOR DESIGN OF THE RESIDENTIAL TOWER AND GUARDHOUSE WITH US HERE TODAY.
OR UL PATEL, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT FOR OCO GROUP AND THE AMMAN PROJECT.
UH, BARBARA OLI, THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD, CHAD ATKINS FROM ISLAND PLANNING, THE, UH, PLANNERS, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS RATHER.
AND ALSO, UH, NICOLA POLO AND JOE SPERANZA FROM LINDER GROUP, THE CONSULTING ENGINEERS WHO ARE FROM GERMANY, WHO DID THE SPECIFIC ANALYSIS AND STUDY OF THE LATTICE WORK THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE.
AS WELL AS DON KLEIN FROM KLEIN ENGINEERING, THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, REALLY HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SORT OF REMARKABLE EFFORT THAT THEY HAVE UNDERTAKEN TO SAVE THE STRUCTURE OF THE VERSAILLES, WHICH WE WILL SHOW YOU BRIEFLY, UH, SHORTLY.
THIS PROJECT, AS I THINK YOU KNOW, IS THE FINAL PIECE OF THE ANA DISTRICT, WHICH HAS BEEN A TRANSFORMATIVE REDEVELOPMENT FOR THIS CITY THAT CONSISTENTLY BALANCED THE PRESERVATION OF MIAMI BEACH'S HISTORIC FABRIC WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF WORLD CLASS CONTEXTUALLY SENSITIVE NEW ARCHITECTURE.
OUR TEAM HAS WORKED CLOSELY WITH THIS BOARD OVER MANY YEARS TO ENSURE THAT EVERY PHASE OF THIS PROJECT HONORS THAT LEGACY.
AND YOUR CHAIR HAS BEEN PARTICIPATED IN THIS OVER THE YEARS AS WELL.
UM, BEFORE WE GO INTO THE MODIFICATIONS, I KNOW A NUMBER OF THE BOARD MEMBERS EXPRESSED AN INTEREST, UH, IN SEEING THE SAVING AND, UH, OF THE EXISTING, UH, VERSAILLES AND, AND HOW THAT IS BEING DONE.
IT IS AN EXTRAORDINARY EFFORT.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, GIVE YOU A CONSTRUCTION PROCTOR AS UPDATE ON THAT.
AND, UH, LEMME GO RIGHT HERE AND WE'LL HAVE UL PAT PATEL TAKE YOU THROUGH IT.
AND, AND AFTER THIS HEARING, I KNOW SOME EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT VISITING THE SITE PRE UH, THE HEARING WITH A, DUE TO THE QUASI-JUDICIAL NATURE OF THE HEARING.
BUT IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THIS REMARKABLE EFFORT, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ARRANGE, UH, TOURS FOR YOU.
ONE THING I CAN ASSURE YOU BY DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING, BY SAVING THE EXTERIOR STRUCTURE OF THE HISTORIC VERSACI HOTEL AND THEN INCORPORATING THE NEW STRUCTURE WITHIN THAT, THAT IS COSTING THEM, IT IS FAIR TO SAY, SAFE TO SAY, TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MORE THAN IF THEY WERE ABLE TO HAVE DEMOLISHED IT AND REPLICATED IT.
SO IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY EFFORT.
UH, AND I THINK, UH, WE'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU, UL IF YOU WOULD, UH, BRIEFLY TAKE THEM THROUGH THIS CONSTRUCTION PROJECT UPDATE.
THANK YOU NEESON AND THANK YOU MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, AFTER 15 YEARS OF THIS PROJECT, UH, BEING TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ACROSS, YOU KNOW, MIAMI BEACH.
UM, WE'RE REALLY PROUD AS A COMPANY, UM, AS A TEAM TO REALLY FINALLY SEE CONSTRUCTION PROGRESS, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD ON THE, ON THE SITE.
AND, UH, I'LL KEEP MY, MY COMMENTS REALLY BRIEF HERE.
YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THE EXTENSIVE KIND OF REDOING OF THE STUCCO.
UM, THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING, IT WAS VAC VACATED IN 2011, UM, AND BY THE TIME WE DIDN'T COME INTO THE PICTURE UNTIL 20 20, 20 21, UM, THE BUILDING HAD SEVERELY DETERIORATED, UM, THE EXTERIOR AS OF COURSE, THEN, AND STRUCTURAL SIDE AS WELL.
BUT, UM, WE HAD TO PAINSTAKINGLY REDO ALL OF THE STUCCO.
UM, AND THIS BOTTOM PICTURE ON THE RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN SEE ACTUALLY, WE ALSO INPUT SCAFFOLDING AND TIED INTO EVERY SINGLE FLOOR, UM, OF THE BUILDING TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT STRUCTURALLY SOUND WHILE WE ACTUALLY HAD TO DO THE DEMOLITION OF OTHER PARTS OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN IN ORDER TO PREPARE THE SITE TO ACTUALLY EXCAVATE FOR THE BASEMENTS, UH, WE HAD TO REMOVE THE EXISTING FOUNDATION, UM, REMOVED HUNDREDS OF TIMBER PILES BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAD TO EXCAVATE DOWN 40 FEET BELOW, TRY THE DEEPEST EXCAVATION IN MIAMI BEACH HISTORY, UM, TO GET TO THAT BASEMENT LEVEL.
AND NOW IN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER, YOU CAN SEE NOW WE'RE DOING THE VERY CAREFUL WORK, WHAT WE CALL DEEP SOIL MIXING, UM, WHICH ALLOWS US TO ACTUALLY THEN EXCAVATE THE SITE, UM, AND KEEP WATER OUT OF THE SITE.
UM, AND THEN PUTTING IN AUGER CAST PILES, UM, MICRO PILES AND SO FORTH TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT ALL VERY CAREFULLY AROUND THE EXISTING FACADE, WHICH IS SUPPORTED BY THIS 870 TON EXO, UH, SKELETON, UM, OF STEEL
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THAT, UM, WE BUILT ALL AROUND THAT EXISTING FACADE THAT'S SUPPORTING IT TODAY.UM, AND THAT WILL DO SO WHILE WE CONTINUE CONSTRUCTION.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER, UM, KIND OF AN AERIAL VIEW, THE HOTEL SITE ON THE NORTH, THE RESIDENTIAL ON THE SITE ON THE SOUTH, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL SITE, THE TWO BASEMENT LEVELS HAVE JUST BEEN POURED.
WE'RE POURING THE GRADE SLAB TODAY, LITERALLY.
UM, AND YOU'RE GONNA START SEEING THE NEW RESIDENTIAL BUILDING GO UP.
UM, AND THEN THE HOTEL BUILDING WILL FOLLOW SHORTLY THEREAFTER.
UM, THE EXCAVATION'S GONNA START BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
UM, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT ORIGINAL OVERSIDE TOWER KIND OF REALLY TAKES SHAPE, UM, IN ITS NEW FORM.
AND, UM, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED, OF COURSE, UM, WE HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED WORKERS A DAY, UM, ON THE SITE.
UM, AND THAT'S GONNA INCREASE, UH, EXPONENTIALLY AS TIME GOES ON.
SO, UM, THAT WAS A QUICK JUST UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS.
UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT WE'RE VERY PROUD TO FINALLY SEE PROGRESS ON THE SITE.
UH, NOW I'D LIKE TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS THE GUARDHOUSE MODIFICATIONS.
THE PROPOSED REDESIGN OF THE PRIMARY INGRESS AND EGRESS WAS UNDERTAKEN IN RESPONSE TO FDOT REQUIREMENTS AS PART OF THE REVISION.
THE DEDICATED RIGHT TURN REJECTION LANE, UH, WAS ELIMINATED, RESULTING IN ONE CURB CUT INSTEAD OF TWO, WHICH IS ALWAYS THE MORE DESIRED OUTCOME, UH, FROM A PEDESTRIAN PERSPECTIVE.
AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THE REVISED DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION, THE TWO ORIGINALLY PROPOSED GUARDHOUSE WERE DEEMED UNNECESSARY, ONE OF WHICH WAS SET IN WITHIN THE A REQUIRED SETBACK FROM COLLINS AVENUE.
A SINGLE GUARDHOUSE IS NOW PROPOSED.
LET ME, THIS, UH, SHOWS YOU THE DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION, IF YOU SEE TO THE RIGHT, THE CURRENT APPROVAL WITH TWO, UH, CURB CUTS FOR THE EXIT DRIVEWAY.
ON THE LEFT, YOU SEE THE CUR, THE, THE NOW PROPOSED ONE, UH, WHICH WOULD BE ONE DRIVEWAY INSTEAD OF TWO.
UH, AND THIS SHOWS YOU HOW IT OPERATES ON THE, THE SITE PLAN.
THE NEW, UH, UH, THE NEW A SINGLE GUARD HOUSE IS NOW PROPOSED, UH, ALIGNED WITH THE CONSOLIDATED POINT OF ENTRY.
THE NEW GUARDHOUSE IS DESIGNED BY KENGO KUMA, AND IT HARMONIZES THE RESIDENTIAL TOWER'S ARCHITECTURE AND CREATES A BETTER LINE OF SIGHT TO THE ADJACENT HISTORIC VERSA FACADE, ENHANCING THE PRE PROMINENCE FROM COLLINS AVENUE.
THE PROPOSED PLAN ALSO ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SETBACK VARIANCE, UH, THE GUARD, UH, SO THE GUARDHOUSE IS SET FURTHER BACK.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE CURB CUT REDUCTIONS, SO THIS ALSO HAS THE ADDITIONAL BENEFIT AS WELL OF, UH, HELPING, UH, PEOPLE SEE THE HISTORIC VERSA PRECISE STRUCTURE FROM COLLINS AVENUE.
WHEREAS PREVIOUSLY, THERE WAS A GUARDHOUSE, WHICH OBSTRUCTED PART OF THAT VIEW.
SO, UH, THIS IS ALL, IN ALL A SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED CONDITION WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL TOWER.
UH, THE, UH, ISSUE THAT IS BEFORE YOU IS THE REMOVAL OF THE VERTICAL LATTICE PROFILES.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL APPROVED DESIGN.
HOWEVER, AFTER EXTENSIVE ENGINEERING AND ARCHITECTURAL ANALYSIS, CRITICAL CONCERNS NECESSITATING THEIR REMOVE REMOVAL HAVE ARISEN.
AND THAT'S DESCRIBED IN THE REPORT BY LINDER ENGINEERING, WHICH WAS FILED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
WE ARE SUBMITTING THE REPORT AS A RECORD.
MARISSA WILL DO THAT, UH, WHICH DESCRIBE THE CRITICAL ISSUES AS FOLLOWS.
ONE, THE APPROVED DESIGN FAILS TO MEET STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY STANDARDS.
THE SLENDER DESIGN THREATENED TO BEND OR EVEN BREAK UNDER ENVIRONMENTAL STRESSES SUCH AS WIND LOADS.
THE COMPENSATORY DESIGN ADJUSTMENTS NECESSITATED THE PROFILE'S, THICKENING, DEVIATING FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL INTENT, AND INTRODUCING FURTHER COMPLICATIONS.
TWO, OPERATIONAL AND MAINTENANCE IMPEDIMENTS, THE LATTICE PROFILES IN THEIR ORIGINAL AND MODIFIED FORMS, SEVERELY OBSTRUCTED ACCESS TO THE BUILDING'S GLAZING FOR ROUTINE CLEANING AND MAINTENANCE.
THREE, SAFETY CONCERNS REGARDING THE FACADE CLEANING.
INCORPORATING THE LATTICE PROFILES INDUCES POTENTIAL HAZARDS FOR MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL TASKS WITH THE FACADE CLEANING AND FOUR, SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASES OBSTRUCTION OF USE.
IN ADDITION, THE INCREASED DIMENSION OF THE LATTICE SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASES OBSTRUCTION OF THE RESIDENT'S VIEWS AND FAILS TO MEET THE ORIGINAL DESIGN INTENT.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO AT THIS TIME IS INTRODUCE NICOLA POLO AND JOE SPERANZA FROM LINDER GROUP TO TAKE YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE, UH, TECHNICAL ASPECTS WITH REGARD TO THE NEED FOR THIS REDESIGN.
I'M THE ONE COMING FROM GERMANY.
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TO GIVE MY BEST TO, TO SPEAK PROPERLY.SO, UM, POINT NUMBER ONE, UM, JUST TO GIVE A WORD ABOUT THE ORIGINAL APPROVED DESIGN, WHAT YOU APPROVED ALREADY.
I'M, I'M ON THE PROJECT, BY THE WAY, SINCE 2021.
SO I, I KNOW I'VE BEEN ALSO A BIT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROJECT, NOT SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT SINCE A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.
UM, SO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN INTENT WAS A MUCH THINNER LETTUCE, UM, SCREEN.
AND, UH, UM, IT WAS LIKE AS, UM,
AND IT HAS GONE THROUGH THE ENGINEER PROCESS, UH, OF OUR, UH, ENGINEER, UH, GERMAN STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS.
AND, UM, THE FIRST COMMENT, WHAT THEY HAD THAT TIME WAS, OH, THIS LA IS, HOW THEY ARE LOOKING NOW IS NOT GONNA WORK UNDER THESE WIND LOADS BECAUSE WE HAVE CATEGORY FIVE THERE.
AND SO WE WENT THROUGH SEVERAL PROPOSALS, UH, BUT IN THE END, UM, WHAT IT IS, UM, WRITTEN HERE THAT THIS LAND DESIGN THREADED TO BEND OR EVEN BREAK UNDER ENVIRONMENTAL STRESSES.
UH, THIS IS MEANT ALSO FOR THE CONNECTION, NOT THAT WHAT WAS DESIGNED BEFORE WAS, UM, NOT FUNCTIONING AT ALL, BUT IT WAS, UM, TOO WEAK.
SO IT WAS BENDING, EVEN TOUCHING THE GLASS SOMETIMES, AND WE HAD TO REDESIGN IT OR MAKE IT STIFFER.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE NOW, UM, THERE WAS THE PROPOSED ONE ON THE LEFT, UM, WITH A DIRECT, UM, RED MARKET RECTANGLE WAS THE PREVIOUS SECTION.
AND WE HAD TO ENLARGE IT AND FILL IT UP WITH DUPLEX, UH, STAINLESS STEEL IN ORDER TO, UM, MAKE IT BENT WITHIN THE BUILDING CODE LIMITS.
UM, SO, AND THE ATTACHMENT, ALL THE ATTACHMENT THAT WE HAD, UM, HAVE BEEN PROPERLY ENGINEERED TO SPEND, UH, OVER, UM, PLEASE PARDON ME, FIVE METERS.
IT IS, UM, HOW MUCH IS THAT? UH, YEAH, 15 FEET, EXCUSE ME.
UM, SO YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT A PROFILE LIKE THAT IS, IS DOING ON THE WIND LOAD.
SO, UM, THE, JUST GOING BACK SHORTLY, UH, WE HAD SOME FARTHER COMPLICATION, WHICH IS MEN ARE MENTIONED IN THIS IMAGE, IN THIS SLIDE.
UM, THIS FARTHER COMPLICATIONS ARE VIBRATIONS, WHICH MAY HAPPEN, AND HURRICANE OR STRONG WINDS, VIBRATIONS, AND WHISTLING, WHAT YOU CAN HEAR THROUGH THE FACADE, BECAUSE I MEAN, IT IS A FACADE, BUT WHEN THE WIND IS BLOWING, IS CAUSING THAT NOISE, WHICH IS GENERATING, UH, LET'S SAY AN UNCOMFORTABLE FEELING WHEN YOU ARE INSIDE THAT BUILDING.
UH, TO POINT NUMBER TWO, UH, JOE IS CLARIFYING MORE THE OPERATIONAL ASPECT NOW.
MY NAME IS JOE SZA FROM LINDNER GROUP.
UH, I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH THE OPERATIONAL AND MAINTENANCE AND MENTS THAT WE HAVE FACED WHILE DESIGNING THIS FACADE.
SO, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, WE HAVE SOME STRUCTURAL DETAILS THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS.
AND TYPICALLY WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE TOP RIGHT, UH, SECTION DETAIL SHOWING THE CONNECTION FROM THE VERTICAL LATTICE BACK TO THE SUPER STRUCTURE.
AND WHILE GOING THROUGH THIS DESIGN PROCESS, WE DEVELOPED A MASSIVE STAINLESS STEEL BRACKET ATTACHING TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LATTICE, BACK TO THE SUPER STRUCTURE TO ENSURE THAT THE LATTICE DURING, UH, HEAVY STORMS, WIND GUSTS, ANYTHING DOESN'T RATTLE.
IT DOESN'T ANY LOOSEN ANY FIXATIONS ON, AND IT IS MAINTAINED DURING THESE HEAVY STORM EVENTS.
UM, BUT DURING THIS, AND PUTTING THIS STAINLESS STEEL BRACKET HERE WOULD ALLOW, IT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED.
SO TO GET A MAINTENANCE TEAM THERE, OR SOME CLEANING CREW, THEY HAVE TO WEDGE THEIR SELVES IN BETWEEN THIS LATTICE STAND ON THAT VERY SMALL EDGE OF THE SLAB, AND THEN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS WITH IT WHERE NEED BE, WHICH OBVIOUSLY PUTS THAT PERSON IN, UH, RISK THAT WE DON'T SEE THAT IS, SHOULD BE, UH, POSSIBLE.
AND THAT GOES INTO THE SAFETY CONCERNS REGARDING THE FACADE CLEANING.
SO IF WE ARE TO EXTEND A, UM, THE CLEANING TEAM ON THEIR BASKET, ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE ENVELOPE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO SET UP SOME MASSIVE OUTRIGGERS TO PROPEL THEM OFF THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WHERE THEY ARE SITTING AT THE LATTICE IS, AND WHILE THEY MAKE THEIR WAY DOWN CLEANING AND POSSIBLY REACHING OVER THEIR BASKET TO HIT THAT GLAZING, YOU'RE PUTTING THAT PERSON AT SERIOUS RISK.
AND AS THEY WORK THEIR WAY DOWN, IT'S ABSOLUTELY, THEY'RE GOING TO BANG THEIR WAY INTO THAT LATTICE IN THE BASKET, POSSIBLY LOSING FIXATIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO ENSURE AS THEY MAKE WITH THEIR WAY BACK UP, THAT THEY HAVE, UH, FIXATED AND EVERYTHING IS INTACT.
SO IN ADDITION TO THIS, UM, YOU CAN ALSO IMAGINE, UM, WHAT KIND OF, UM, VIEW AND PANORAMA CHANGE YOU GET, UM, AS A, UH, LET'S SAY OWNER
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OF THIS, UH, APARTMENT BEFORE THE, THE EFFECT OF THE GUITAR, UM, CHORDS, STRING GUITAR STRINGS IS GONE.UM, YOU RATHER GET NOW A FEELING THAT YOU ARE BEHIND A MASSIVE WALL, UM, IS RATHER, LET'S SAY AN OBSTRUCTION RATHER THAN A, UH, ARCHITECTURAL, UM, FEATURE, LET'S SAY.
SO, AND THIS IS THE FEELING, THIS IS THE FEEDBACK, WHAT WE GOT FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS AND, UH, LET'S SAY THEY WANT TO, TO HAVE THOSE THINGS, UH, OFF THE VIEW, LET'S SAY.
AND GIVEN THIS, UM, I DUNNO IF YOU ARE DOING THE CONCLUSION.
SO WE, WE AGREE THAT IT IS, UM, JOE, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO FORMULATE THAT BETTER THAN I,
AND JUST TO CONCLUDE, UM, UH, AS DEBBIE INDICATED IN HER REPORT FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, THE REMOVAL OF THE LATTICE HAS EXPOSED THE REFINED ARTICULATION OF THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL INTENT, ALLOWING THE BUILDING'S FORM PROPORTION AND MATERIALITY TO EMERGE WITH ENHANCED CLARITY AND VISUAL COHERENCE.
SO WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THESE MODIFICATIONS.
UH, THAT ONE SMALL, UH, REQUEST AS WELL WITH RESPECT TO THE CONSOLIDATED ORDER, WHICH WE AGREE WITH, IS THAT THERE DOES MAKE A REFERENCE TO A $225,000 MITIGATION PAY, UH, RESILIENCY PAYMENT, WHICH WAS PAID YEARS AGO.
SO FOR LACK OF CONFUSION, WE'D LIKE TO EITHER DELETE THAT OR HAVE A REFERENCE THAT IT HAS BEEN PAID.
WITH THAT WE REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT AND WE'RE HERE FOR, UH, ANY, UH, QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OF OUR PROFESSIONAL TEAM.
UM, VERY INFORMATIVE PRESENTATION, REALLY APPRECIATED SEEING HOW THE, UM, HISTORIC, UH, BUILDING THE VERSAILLES IS BEING, UH, IS BEING TREATED AND LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT, UM, COMING UP.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT THEY PRESENTED? OKAY, GO FOR IT.
UH, UH, I WANT TO ECHO THE COMMENTS.
UH, VERY IMPRESSIVE, UH, RESTORATIVE WORK YOU'RE DOING ON THE, UH, VERSAILLES.
UH, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE, UH, GUARDHOUSE.
I THINK ULTIMATELY IT'LL BE A BETTER PRO PROJECT, BUT THE CONCERN REGARDING THE LATTICE, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WAS A, UH, A DESIGN ELEMENT THAT WAS INITIALLY, UH, PUT IN THERE TO IMPROVE THE DESIGN.
IT JUST STRIKES ME AS ODD, UH, JUST REMOVING IT AND DOING NOTHING TO THE, UH, STRUCTURE BEHIND IT, UH, IS, UH, IT JUST SEEMS, OKAY, LET'S, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK STRUCTURALLY, LET'S JUST REMOVE IT.
THERE'S NO, UH, CHANGE IN ARTICULATION BEING PROPOSED ON THE, UH, UH, THE SUPER STRUCTURE.
WELL, THE, UH, AS, AS YOU AS, AS YOU KNOW, THAT OF COURSE THIS IS A, A CONSEQUENCE OF IT, UH, NOT BEING PRACTICALLY BEING ABLE TO BE IMPLEMENTED, BUT I WOULD SAY THIS AS WELL, UH, THE, UH, THE ARTICULATION, THE FOLDING OF THE BUILDING, THE ANGLES ON THE NORTH SIDE REMAIN, REMAIN INTACT AND ARE FACT FULLY EXPOSED.
I THINK THE, THE LATTICE WORK WAS, UH, A, AN IDEA THAT CO UH, KENGO KUMA FROM JAPAN HAD COME UP WITH, UH, UH, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE FUNDAMENTALLY THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING, UH, AT ALL.
UH, BUT THERE ARE THESE VERY PRACTICAL AND REAL REASONS WHY IT CAN'T BELIEVE BE IMPLEMENTED.
JUST FOLLOWING UP A LITTLE BIT ON THAT, JUST, UM, IF YOU, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PULL UP LIKE A 1 0 7? WAS THAT ONE OF YOUR SLIDE? IT'S THE ONE WITH THE, UH, APPROVED AND THE, UM, CURRENT, UM, WE HAVE IMAGES, WHICH YOU HAVE CAN WAIT.
I, I WAS JUST WONDERING, MAYBE I CAN JUST ASK THE QUESTION.
UM, MAYBE THAT ONE, IT'S A 1 0 7.
IT HAS, IT'S JUST SO YOU'LL, YOU CAN SEE WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
IT'S THIS ONE, THAT IMAGE? YEAH, THE BEFORE AND, AND AFTER THE CURRENT AND PROPOSED.
SO IT JUST, AND IT JUST MIGHT BE THE WAY THE RENDERING IS.
UM, BUT THE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE
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BASE OF THE, OF THE, OF THE TOWER ABOVE THE, LET'S SAY THE BASE OF THE, YEAH, THE TOWER ABOVE THE PLINTH IS IN THE NEW BUILDING IS, IS THICKER AND CLEARLY DEFINED, BUT I, I, IT JUST MIGHT BE THAT THE, THAT THE PER, THAT THE CURRENT, THE ONE ABOVE JUST DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH DETAIL TO SHOW THAT.IS THAT WHAT I'M, AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? THE DESIGN ARCHITECTURE, UM, THE DESIGN OF THE, THE, THE TOWER ITSELF HAS NOT CHANGED.
UH, I THINK IT'S THE RENDERING AND ANGLE ANGLE AND THE LANDSCAPING AND, AND ALL THAT.
I JUST WAS ANTICIPATING THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT SEE THOSE AND SEE THEM AS MAKE DIFFERENT.
OH, WE HAVE, I SHOULD HAVE JUST WAITED FOR YOU, ELIZABETH, KNOWING YOU WOULD'VE HAD THAT QUESTION.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? RAY, YOU SEEM READY TO, I JUST PERSONALLY, I THINK THE TAKING THE LATTICE OFF MAKES THE BUILDING LOOKS MUCH BETTER.
UM, UH, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE PRE-SALES WITH YOUR, UH, CLIENTS? UH, AND, AND DO YOU HAVE TO GET, GET THEM TO, UH, UH, SAY THEY LIKE THAT DESIGN AS WELL? UH, I, I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, THIS IS A NECESSARILY MATERIAL CHANGE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF 'EM, ANY OF 'EM WOULD OBJECT EITHER.
SO
CAN I TAKE TWO MINUTES? OF COURSE.
ASK JUST TWO MINUTES OUT JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY.
THESE ELEMENTS WERE SIMPLY SUPPORTED ONE SPAN, CORRECT? ONE SPAN, YEAH.
CONDITIONED ON THE ENDS, RIGHT? YEAH, THEY WERE HINGED BOTH, THEY WERE NOT.
SO EACH ONE, YOU'RE TREATING IT AS A COMPONENTS AND CLADDING, RIGHT? PER SELF BUILDING CODE.
THESE ARE COMPONENTS AND CLADDING ELEMENTS.
THE TRIBUTARY WIDTH OF IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN SIX INCHES, CORRECT? BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING OF EACH ELEMENT.
UH, IT IS I THINK, UH, 5, 6, 7, 7 UP TO SEVEN INCHES WIDTH, SEVEN INCHES, SEVEN INCH TRIBUTARY WIDTH, ONE, ONE A QUARTER INCH WIDTH.
AND WITH THAT, YOU, YOU ACTUALLY COULDN'T MAKE THREE INCH, UM, SECTIONS WORK ALUMINUM.
WE HAD, WE HAD, UH, THAT OPTION, BUT IT WAS GETTING MUCH WIDER.
SO IT WAS WORKING, BUT THEN THERE WAS A, OBVIOUSLY FROM ARCHITECTURAL SIDE, THE, UM, THE WISH OF MAKING THINNER AS POSSIBLE, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO FILL UP THE HIGHER ONES ON THE PENTHOUSE LEVELS, WHICH ARE, WHICH HAS THE BIGGEST PEN AND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF, IS THAT WHAT THE BUILDING SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT BY 15 FEET? IS THAT THE UPPER LEVELS? YEAH, THE 15 FOOT SPOTS, I APOLOGIZE, I APOLOGIZE.
IT IS FIVE METERS, SO I NEED TO, TO CHANGE.
YOU'RE 15 PLOTS, EXACTLY THAT AREA.
AND THEN THERE IS ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE HIGHEST WIND LOAD IS, AND WE HAD TO FILL OUT, UH, THAT UP ACCORDING TO THE, THE WIND STUDY, UM, REPORT WHAT WE HAVE FROM CCP, WE HAD TO FILL THOSE, UH, AS WELL.
SO YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE TO ME IT WOULD'VE WORKED, UH, WITH RANGE MEMBERS OF THAT TRIBUTARY WITH.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, UM, I DON'T SEE ANY, ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
SO BOARD, UH, DISCLOSURES, ANYBODY HAVE, UM, ANYTHING TO DISCLOSE? I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM, UH, NEESON, UH, BUT WE HAD NO, UH, COMMUNICATION AFTER I, I DID AS WELL.
I THINK WE ALL RECEIVED, YES, I THINK WE ALL DID RECEIVE SANCE KIND INVITATION TO GO OUT TO THE SITE.
UM, AND UM, WITH THAT, I GUESS WE OPEN IT TO PUBLIC, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ROGER AGAIN, ROGER GOBLE, MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE 10 0 1 OCEAN DRIVE.
WE APPRECIATE THE EXTENSIVE INVESTMENT RESOURCES BEING DEDICATED TO PRESERVING THE FACADE AND RECONSTRUCTING THE VERSAILLES HOTEL.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO ELIMINATE THE LATTICE WORK, UH, FACADE ELEMENT, FACADE ELEMENTS OF THE NEW TOWER.
WELL, YOU UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEERING CONCERNS.
WE BELIEVE THESE DESIGN ELEMENTS WERE FUNDAMENTAL TO THE APPROVED DESIGNS CHARACTER.
WE ARE CONCERNED THAT THIS LATTICE WORK WAS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN APPROVAL, AND THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO WALK BACK THESE COMMITMENTS YEARS LATER.
THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUFFICIENT
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RESEARCH AND FE FE FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS CONDUCTED AT THE TIME OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, PARTICULARLY CONSIDERING HOW FAR ALONG THE PROJECT IS NOW.THE FLORIDA CEILING GLASS ELEMENTS NOW BECOME MORE PROMINENT AND FEEL DISCONNECTED WITH THE OVERALL DESIGN.
WE FEEL IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE A LOT OF OTHER BUILDINGS ALL ALONG THE STRIP.
WE WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE APPLICANT TO DISCUSS DESIGN ALTERNATIVES THAT COULD ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS WHILE DEVELOPING DESIGN THAT IS MORE CONTEXTUALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING DISTRICT.
UM, IF THERE'S ANYONE ON ZOOM WISHING TO COMMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
UM, APPLICANT REBUTTAL TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT? UH, NO.
THEN WE WILL JUST HAVE, WE WILL OPEN IT TO, UM, BOARD, BOARD, COMMENT, UM, ANYTHING? NO, RANDY, NO.
READY? I THINK, UM, RELATIVE TO MAYBE WHAT ROGER SAID IS DESIGN CHANGES OVER 10 YEARS AND WHAT YOU LOOK AT BUILDING TODAY IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO.
SO MAYBE THERE WAS, UM, SOME THOUGHT OF, GEE, WHY DID WE EVER PUT THAT CLADDING ON THE BUILDING? LET'S TAKE IT OFF.
UM, AND I CAN'T SAY PERSONALLY THAT I DISAGREE WITH THAT.
HASKELL, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? NO, MITCH? SURE.
AND, AND THANK YOU FOR POINTING THIS OUT BACK TO A 1 0 7.
I, WHAT DID YOU CALL THAT? I CALL IT A SOFFIT.
YOU CALLED IT A, YEAH, YOU CAN CALL IT A SOFFIT.
I CALLED IT THE BASE OF THE, THE TOWER ON THE OH, OKAY.
SO, SO THAT HAS BEEN MODIFIED? UH, NO, NO, IT'S JUST THE RENDERING.
I'M REFERRING TO, UH, THIS AREA ABOVE THE, UH, IT'S A RENDERING, CORRECT? IT'S THE RENDERING THAT'S IN THIS RENDERING, BUT I OBFUSCATES THAT WHOLE PIECE OF IT.
ELIZABETH? NO, JUST, UM, RAY, I RESPECTFULLY DISAPPROVED.
I UNDERSTAND BUILDING THIS, UH, DESIGNS CHANGE, BUT I FELT LIKE THE LATTICE ADDED A LAYER OF DETAILING THAT ENRICH THE FACADE, UH, GIVEN THAT, UM, OTHERWISE BECAME FLOOR TO CEILING GLASS FAC, UH, ELEMENTS.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES AND CONSTRAINTS GIVEN, BUT YES, THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN RESEARCHED IN THE BEGINNING.
BUT BUILDING COLDS ALSO CHANGE, AND I BELIEVE THE WIND SPEEDS HAVE, HAVE INCREASED IN THOSE 10 YEARS.
SO THAT, THAT ADDED ADDS TO THE CHALLENGE TO MAKE STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS WORK.
IF I, IF I MAY ALSO JUST, I'LL LET YOU JUST JUMP IN AFTER.
WE'RE, UM, I WAS ONLY GONNA, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT WHEN, WHEN I WAS, UM, PART OF THIS PROCESS, WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING THAT THE K IT WAS, IT WAS A KANGO KUMA DESIGN.
IT WAS HIS DESIGN THAT BROUGHT THE, THERE WAS NO VERTICAL, UM, THERE WERE NO VERTICAL ELEMENTS IN THE VERSAILLES THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO RESPOND TO.
IT'S, IT'S KIND OF PART OF HIS, UM, SENSITIVITY, THE, THE, THE, UM, DELICACY OF HIS DESIGN.
SO I WAS THINKING, WHEN I SAW THAT THESE CAME OFF, I WAS LIKE, WELL, WHAT DID THE ARCHITECT SAY ABOUT THIS? BECAUSE THEY WERE HIS KIND OF, HIS PROPOSAL, NOT, NOT ANYTHING IMPOSED BY THE BOARD OR EVEN ASK FOR BY THE BOARD TO, YOU KNOW, CONTEXTUALIZE THE BUILDING AT THAT, AT THAT TIME.
SO, UM, I WAS, UH, I WAS GONNA ASK THAT, BUT IT, IT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
SO I, I, BUT I TOLD, I, I UNDERSTAND.
I JUST THOUGHT SOMEBODY HAD A BIG LIKE, UH, OH MOMENT WHEN THEY REALIZED THAT THE, THAT THE ESSENTIAL DESIGN FEATURES ON THE, UH, ON THE FACADE WERE NOT ACTUALLY GONNA BE ABLE TO BE THERE.
AND IF THEY WERE THICKENED SO THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY WITHSTAND THE WIND LOADS, THEN NOBODY COULD SEE OUT.
SO, AND I THINK THE SOLUTION IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, IF THE, IF THE ARCHITECT IS OKAY WITH THIS, UM, THAT THAT'S, UH, I THINK THAT'S A, A SOLUTION THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN LIVE WITH.
SO, UM, ALRIGHT, SO THOSE WERE ALL THE BOARD COMMENTS.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? NO, NO.
I JUST WANTED TO MENTION TO MS. MARGO'S COMMENT, IT'S UNDERSTOOD, YOU KNOW, AT THE, THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL IS CONCEPTUAL.
WE DON'T GET INTO THE LEVEL OF ENGINEERING THAT IS NEEDED TO, UH, UNTIL YOU'RE READY TO DEVELOP YOUR, UH, CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS.
AND THEN YOU FIND OUT SOMETIMES, OOPS, THIS CAN'T BE DONE, UH,
SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
SO I LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UM, MR. CHAIR, WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE MODIFICATION OF ONE A WHERE THE 225 THOUSAND'S BEEN PAID ALREADY? YES.
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CS STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO STRIKING, UH, C ONE A BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED.I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MODIFICATIONS, UH, PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATE WITH CONDITIONS.
UM, MS. CAMARGO? YES, MS. UH, MS LEVEL IS, UH, RECUSED HERSELF.
THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED UNANIMOUS.
AND I WOULD, AGAIN, EXTEND THE OFFER.
IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO VISIT THE SITE, WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO IT.
AND ALSO FOR A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL HISTORIC REFERENCE.
SOME OF YOU ON THE BOARD MAY KNOW IT OR SOME MAY NOT.
BUT MITCH NOVIK HAS HAD A INTIMATE INVOLVEMENT WITH THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT WAS AT HIS INITIATIVE THAT THE JACK STEWART MURAL, WHICH WAS ON THE 1955 ANNEX, WAS SAVED, RESTORED, AND GIVEN TO THE CITY.
IT'S BEEN, HOPEFULLY IT'LL, UH, BE, UH, INSTALLED ON THE NEW FIRE STATION, WHEREVER THAT MAY GO.
IF THEY FINALLY PUT IT WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
WHERE WE APPROVED IT, THAT IS A CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER DAY,
[6. HPB25-0652, 6979 & 6985 Collins Avenue.]
APPLICATION ON THE AGENDA, UH, THIS MORNING IS HPB 25 0 6.DID SOMEBODY GET LINDSEY? YES.
AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE, UM, THAT IS THE, THE WRONG DESCRIPTION.
THIS IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW MULTI-FAMILY, UH, RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, NOT SINGLE FAMILY.
THE WRONG IT'S A SINGLE BUILDING.
NEW MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
UM, THE SUBJECT UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT SITE CURRENTLY CONTAINS, UH, TWO BUILDINGS, THE CONTRIBUTING NORMANDY PLAZA, UH, HOTEL BUILDING, LOCATED AT 69 79 COLLINS AVENUE, AND THE NON-CONTRIBUTING CRYSTAL BEACH SUITES HOTEL, LOCATED AT 69 85 COLLINS AVENUE.
UM, AGAIN, THE SCOPE OF WORK INCLUDES THE DEMOLITION OF BOTH EXISTING BUILDINGS AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF TWO, OF A NEW MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
UM, WE HAVE NOTED IN THE REPORT THAT THE APPLICANT IS, UH, AVAILING THEMSELVES OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA RESILIENCY AND SAFE STRUCTURES ACT.
UM, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS, THIS, UH, LAW, UH, SEVERAL TIMES AT THIS BOARD.
UM, THIS ALLOWS ANY BUILDING THAT IS, THAT HAS A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY SEAWARD OF THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE THAT ALSO DOES NOT MEET THE CURRENT MINIMUM, UH, FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION REQUIREMENTS OF FEMA.
THAT STAFF IS CHARGED WITH REVIEWING AND APPROVING THE DEMOLITION AT AN ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL.
AND THIS BOARD, UM, MAY NOT REVIEW THE DEMOLITION.
SO THAT IS, UM, A COMPONENT OF THE APPLICATION THAT'S NOT BEFORE THIS BOARD TODAY.
BUT FOR CONTEXT, I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT TO POINT THAT OUT.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSING A NEW 17 STORY, 37 UNIT MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
UM, THE GROUND LEVEL CONSISTS OF A LOBBY VEHICULAR DROP OFF AND SURFACE AREAS, INCLUDING A SMALL RETAIL AREA ALONG COLLINS AVENUE.
UM, THE REMAINDER OF THE BUILDING CONSISTS OF PARKING LEVELS ON LEVELS TWO THROUGH THREE RESIDENTIAL AMENITIES ON LEVEL FOUR AND RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON LEVELS FIVE THROUGH 17.
ADDITIONALLY, THE ROOF LEVEL INCLUDES TWO PRIVATE ROOF TERRACES FOR THE PENTHOUSE PENTHOUSE UNITS BELOW.
UH, THE BUILDING DESIGN IS COMPOSED OF TWO MAIN PARTS, A THREE STORY PODIUM AND A 14 STORY TOWER.
UH, THE PODIUM FEATURES AN ARCADE LIKE, UH, FACADE INSPIRED BY POSTWAR MODERN ARCHITECTURE, WHICH IS PREVALENT, UM, IN THIS AREA OF NORTH BEACH.
THE PRIMARY GLASS TOWER FEATURES PROJECTING BALCONIES WITH GLASS GUARDRAILS IN ESSENTIAL FLUTED VERTICAL ELEMENT ALONG THE COLLINS AVENUE FACADE.
UM, STEPH IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN, UH, WHICH IS CONTEMPORARY
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IN NATURE.WE BELIEVE IT'S BEEN WELL DEVELOPED WHEN EVALUATED IN ITS CONTEXT, AND IT DOES ACHIEVE A HIGH LEVEL OF COMPATIBILITY WITH ITS IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS.
UM, WE DO ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE SCALE MASSING HEIGHT AND BUILDING ORIENTATION ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE BUILT CONTEXT OF THE EAST SIDE OF COLLINS AVENUE WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, WE HAVE ONE COMMENT REGARDING FURTHER REFINEMENT OF THE ARCADE.
UM, IN BETWEEN CERTAIN DRAWINGS, THE, UH, PODIUM DESIGN DIFFERS SLIGHTLY.
UH, WE DO RECOMMEND SOME FURTHER DEVELOPMENT, UM, ALONG, UH, THESE ELEVATIONS THAT WOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL DEVELOPMENT OF, UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER, EXCUSE ME, OF THE DISTRICT.
UM, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THAT IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S RELATIVELY MINOR AND IS, AND STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS ON THAT.
AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY.
UH, ARE WE PRECLUDED FROM, UH, DISCUSSING THE, UH, EXISTING STRUCTURES? I GUESS THAT'S A NICK QUESTION.
SO, UNDER THE RESILIENCY AND SAFE STRUCTURES ACT PROPERTIES, ANY PORTION OF WHICH ARE SEAWARD OF THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF, OF DEMOLITION.
UM, SO IN THIS INSTANCE, THE, THE BOARD REALLY IS NOT REVIEWING AN APPLICATION FOR DEMOLITION.
YOU'RE ONLY REVIEWING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UM, I WOULD SUGGEST IF THE BOARD WANTS TO HAVE A, A POLICY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RESILIENCY AND SAFE STRUCTURES ACT AS AS YOU HAVE BEFORE, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST HAVING THAT CONVERSATION AFTER THIS APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE AGENDA OR IN A FUTURE DATE, UM, SINCE, SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE AN APPLICATION BEFORE YOU FOR DEMOLITION.
HASKELL, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO.
ANY, NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, UM, FOR DEBBIE? OKAY.
BOARD MEMBER STAFF MICHAEL LARKIN, TWO UNDER SOUTH EAST BOULEVARD HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
CAN YOU PULL UP THE PRESENTATION? GREAT.
DAVID ALVARO SANTOS, A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT, THE ARCHITECT, MY FRIEND CO KARP, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT CARMEN BELMAR, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, DEREK ESKI FROM KIMLEY HORN AND DAN GOLDBERG, MY COLLEAGUE FROM MY LAW FIRM.
SO THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF COLLINS AVENUE, JUST SOUTH OF 71ST STREET.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY WITHIN A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THAT'S WHAT GIVES YOU ALL JURISDICTION TO CONSIDER THE APPLICATION.
TODAY WE HAVE THE BEACH WALK TO THE EAST COLLINS AVENUE TO THE WEST.
WE HAVE THE BURLEY HOUSE CONDOMINIUM TO THE NORTH AND PORT ROYAL TO THE SOUTH.
WE'VE DONE EXTENSIVE OUTREACH TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF EACH OF THE ASSOCIATION.
MET WITH THEM EACH TWICE THEY'RE FULLY AWARE.
WE'RE WORKING ON GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENTS WITH EACH OF THEM.
THEY HAVEN'T NOT BEEN MEMORIALIZED YET, BUT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT.
'CAUSE CONSTRUCTION ALWAYS COMES OVER THE HEADACHES THAT WE WISH TO RESOLVE IN ADVANCE BEFORE IT STARTS.
SO WE WILL DO THAT WITH EACH ASSOCIATION.
SO AS DEBBIE INDICATED, THE CRYSTAL BEACH IS NON-CONTRIBUTING.
NORMANDY PLAZA IS CONTRIBUTING.
IT'S ABOUT JUST SHY OF 150 FEET OF FRONTAGE UPON COLLINS AVENUE.
UM, THE NORMANDY PLAZA, UNFORTUNATELY WAS NEGLECTED BY PRIOR OWNERSHIP AND IS ON THE UNSAFE STRUCTURED LIST.
THE PROJECT IS A 37 UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WHERE THERE'LL BE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL FRONTING COLLINS AVENUE.
IT COULD BE DEVELOPED WITH 166 UNITS OR A HOTEL, BUT WE ARE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ANY OF THAT DENSITY, OR WE'RE REDUCING IT DOWN TO ONLY 37 UNITS AS WE'LL GET INTO IT SHORTLY WITH KOBE.
THE PROJECT FEATURES A MUCH LOWER PROFILE PODIUM THAT IS LESS OVERWHELMING TO PEDESTRIANS AND A CAREFULLY PLACED TOWER COMPONENT THAT, UH, MINIMIZES THE BLOCKING OF VIEWS AND CREATES GREAT VISUAL INTEREST, UH, FOR THE CORRIDOR.
THE OVERALL DESIGN IS INSPIRED BY THE PATTERN ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE OF THE ENTIRE DISTRICT, ESPECIALLY AT THE PODIUM LEVEL WITH ITS SIGNATURE ARCHES.
WE'RE REQUESTING THE COA FOR DESIGN AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.
NO WAIVERS OR VARIANCES ARE BEING REQUESTED.
WE WENT IN FRONT OF THE NORTH BEACH CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT'S ACTIVELY MEETING EVERY MONTH.
WE PRESENTED THEM THE APPLICATION AND THE TWO CONDITIONS THEY ASKED US IS
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TO VOLUNTARILY PROFFER CONDITION, PROHIBITING SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITHIN THE PROPERTY.WE AGREED TO DO SO, AND THEY SAID, PLAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE PLACE ON THE DRIVEWAYS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM BACKING UP INTO COLLINS AVENUE.
THAT'S A VERY ACTIVE INTERSECTION.
SO THE KIMLEY-HORN TRAFFIC ENGINEER, DEREK CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN MORE DETAIL IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE.
UM, AND OF COURSE, NEXT SLIDE, BECAUSE WE ARE HAVING SUCH A LOW DENSITY, OUR TRAFFIC TRIP GENERATION RATE IS VERY LOW.
SO, UM, WE ARE HAPPY TO, TO SEE THAT.
UM, WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TURN IT OVER TO KOBE AND HE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH HIS DESIGN.
MY NAME IS, UH, KOBE KARP, 5 7 1 NORTHWEST 28TH STREET.
UM, I'LL, UM, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF AND THE NEIGHBORS UPON, BUT BASICALLY YOU CAN SEE THAT THE INTENT IN, UH, ENTERING ONTO THE NORTH AND CREATES A MORE PROPER, UM, ENTRY FOR THE VEHICLES AND DROP 'EM OFF.
AND THEN WE HAVE TUCKED THE, UH, RAMP ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
WE HAVE KEPT THE, UH, CONNECTION TO THE STREET ON COLLINS AVENUE AND SET IT BACK WHERE THE PEOPLE CAN SIT AND, UH, BE PART OF THE, UH, ENGAGEMENT ON COLLINS AVENUE AND WRAPPING AROUND THE CORNER TO 71ST STREET.
WHAT IS INTERESTING HERE IS THAT WE WERE ABLE THEN TO MEET WITH STAFF AND THE NEIGHBORS AND REALLY PUSH THE MASSING OF THE TOWER AWAY FROM THE STREET AND WHILE CREATING A PROMENADE, WHICH IS ELEVATED AND LETS PEOPLE SIT OUTSIDE, UM, IN A NICE WAY.
THIS IS A VIEW CORRIDOR THAT SHOWS REALLY HOW AND THE INTENT IS OF THIS MASSING AND HOW IT RELATES TO THE NEIGHBORING BUILDINGS AND THE SETBACKS THAT IT DOES CREATE.
UM, MAXIMIZING THE VISTAS BY, UM, CREATING A DIRECTION, UM, FOR THE NEIGHBORING, UH, PROPERTIES, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THEY CARE ABOUT.
AND THIS THE RELATIONSHIP, YOU CAN SEE THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE STREET, AS WILLIS MENTIONED, AND WORKING WITH STAFF.
THE INTENT WAS TO KEEP THE PODIUM AS LOW AS POSSIBLE.
THE ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENT ON THE ELEVATIONS AND THE PRECAST MATERIALITY IS INSPIRATION TO SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURE THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE COMMUNITY AND IN THE DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE INSPIRATION AND THE DIRECTION THAT WE HAVE DECIDED TO FOLLOW.
AND THAT IS, UM, ON THE FACADE OF THE ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING.
AND IT'S ALSO, UM, ALLOWED US NICELY TO KEEP THE PEDESTAL IN A MORE, WHAT WE THINK ARE SHORTER.
AND THIS IS THE ARCHES OF THE PRECAST WITH THE LANDSCAPING.
I HAVE CARMEN HERE FROM WITKIN AS WELL.
AND IT SHOWS REALLY THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE AN ENGAGEMENT ON THE CORNER, UM, THAT DOES NOT EXIST NOW AND HAS NEVER, EVER EXISTED.
THAT REALLY CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO WALK AND NOT ONLY WALK ALONG COLLINS AVENUE 71ST, BUT ALSO TO ENGAGE TO THE, UM, TO THE BEACH FRONT.
UM, I'LL BE JUST BRIEF ON THIS AND SHOW YOU SOME OF THE LANDSCAPE TREATMENT THAT WE HAVE ON COLLINS THAT PENETRATES ALL THE WAY TO THE BEACH FRONT.
UM, AND OF COURSE ON TOP OF THE LANDSCAPING AREA, WHICH IS VERY RELEVANT TO THE NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE ARE A LOW PEDESTAL.
UM, AND THEN, UM, THAT'S ABOUT IT.
UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR SUGGESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER 'EM.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
UM, YEAH, IT SEEMS, UH, PRETTY CLEAR.
THIS IS, UH, UH, I, I I WAS ONLY GONNA ASK, UM, IN YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NORTH, WITH THE NORTH BEACH, CRA, UM, IT, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THAT ENTRY TO O THE OCEAN, HOW 71ST STREET WAS GONNA BE TREATED? I KNOW IT'S AN ENTRY FOR CARS.
THAT'S WHERE THE CARS, IS THAT WHERE THEY COME AND GO BOTH OUT OF THAT? YES.
AND THAT DISCUSSION DID COME UP AND, AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE SAPLING, WHICH I PUT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU.
IS THAT RIGHT? THE, THE PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT IS ALL THE WAY TO THE BEACH.
'CAUSE WHAT HAPPENS ON THE NORTH SIDE, ON THE BURLE, IT'S BASICALLY A LOADING AREA.
SO WHAT WE DID UPON OURSELVES IS WE TOOK IT AS A LANDSCAPE PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT ALL THE WAY TO THE BEACH WALK THERE.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING, 'CAUSE I SEE THE WHITE ON THE, ON THE PLAN.
MAYBE IF YOU CAN PULL THE PLAN UP ON THE PRESENTATION, YOU CAN JUST WALK US THROUGH THAT.
I JUST NOTICED IT LOOKED LIKE THE WHITE AREA, WHICH WOULD BE SIDEWALK IS KIND OF ENDS BEFORE YOU GET TO THE BEACH.
UM, MAYBE I'M JUST MEANING IT WRONG.
SEE IF YOU GO FROM LEFT WHERE COLLINS IS TO THE RIGHT.
OH, YOU'RE THE'RE SAYING THE WIDTH, THAT THE SIDEWALK IS REDUCED.
DOES THE SIDE, IS IT JUST, DOES THE SIDEWALK JUST END AND THEN PEOPLE ARE SHUFFLED OUT ONTO THE STREET? OKAY.
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THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.THE WHITE AND THEN THE GREEN GOT IT ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THE INTENT IS TO HAVE FOLKS, UM, WALK HERE AND THEN WALK IN THE MIDDLE AND COME TO THE BEACH.
SO THEY LEAVE THE ARCADE AND GO OUT TO THE STREET AFTER THIS KIND OF TURNAROUND ENDS.
AND THEN CONTINUE ALL THE WAY HERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT WAS MY, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
UM, ABOUT THEM, ABOUT THAT, THAT CONDITION.
'CAUSE WE TALK ABOUT THOSE A LOT WHEN WE DEAL WITH, UM, PROPERTIES RIGHT AT A BEACH ENTRANCE.
AND I KNOW THAT'S A REALLY POPULAR ENTRANCE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY WHO DO THE BEACH TENNIS AND VOLLEYBALL AND STUFF LIKE THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THE CRA DID BRING IT UP AND THAT'S WHY ALSO A LOT OF THIS LUSH CORNER LANDSCAPING IS SO THAT AS YOU WALK NORTH OR SOUTH AND ON THE BEACH WALK, YOU HAVE A NICE LUSH LANDSCAPING ON THE, YOU SEE THAT AHEAD OF YOU.
AND IS IT AT THE SAME LEVEL AS THE PEDESTRIAN OR IS IT ON A OKAY.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT FANS OF THE TOWERS GOING UP IN TOWN CENTER RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY'RE COMING AND THERE'LL BE FOUR OF THEM BEFORE YOU KNOW IT.
AND THE VOLUME OF PEDESTRIANS ON THE LINCOLN ROAD STREET AND IS ABOUT 8,000 A DAY.
I CAN ONLY IMAGINE IT'S GONNA GET CLOSE TO THAT ONCE THOSE TOWERS ARE ALSO CONSTRUCTED IN TOWN CENTER.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, WE HAVE, UH, SORRY, BOARD DISCLOSURES, ANY DISCLOSURES, RAY, ON SEPTEMBER 3RD, I MET WITH, UH, DAN GOLDBERG AND WALKED THE PROPERTY AND, UM, GOT A PERSONAL PRESENTATION.
YES, I ALSO MET WITH MR. BERG TWO FRIDAYS.
WITH THAT, I THINK WE OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
HOW COME I DIDN'T GET SUCH AN INVITATION? DID OH, OKAY.
WELL THIS ISN'T THE TIME TO COMPLAIN.
I DIDN'T EITHER, SO, UH, YOU DID.
YOU JUST SEND TO RESPOND AND I'M NOT PUSHY.
WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN, UM, WE'LL GET BACK TO YOUR RESPONSE.
ROGER OBAD, MDPL 10 0 1 OCEAN DRIVE.
WE LAMENT THE LOSS OF THE CONTRIBUTING EL MURRAY DIXON BUILDING, UH, THE NORMANDY PASO HOTEL AND THE LACK OF LOCAL CONTROL OVER DEMOLITION DECISIONS IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
HOWEVER, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE PROPOSED DESIGN REPRESENTS AN IMPROVEMENT OF THE STREETSCAPE.
WE SUPPORT THE PROJECT SUBJECT TO THE STAFF CONDITIONS.
UH, WE AGREE WITH DEBBIE, PARTICULARLY THE INCONSISTENCIES AND THE ARCH DETAILS OF THE PODIUM.
ANY FURTHER PUBLIC HERE ON ZOOM? OKAY.
WE HAVE, UM, OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS KATHY IPHONE TWO.
DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME FOR THE RECORD AND THEN YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UM, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION REGARD.
ARE WE ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT DEMO NOW? UM, BECAUSE I'M, WE'RE A RESIDENT AT THE BURLEY HOUSE, SO 71ST STREET IS A VERY, FOR US, IT'S OUR WAY OUT.
UM, IS IT'S GONNA BE IMPACTED, I ASSUME, AM I CORRECT IN SAYING THAT YOU, UM, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TH THREE MINUTES TO STATE, UH, WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE ON THE RECORD.
AND UM, AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD OR STAFF THAT THAT'LL, THAT'LL COME AFTER.
AND AS FAR AS THE FACADE ARE, ARE THEY KEEPING THE NORMANDY HOTEL PART OF IT OR IS THAT BEING TAKEN DOWN IN ITS ENTIRETY? OKAY, WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THE, DO YOU WANNA UH, ANSWER THE QUESTION NOW? GO AHEAD DEB, IF YOU WANT.
I MEAN, SO THE PROPOSAL IS NOT TO RETAIN ANY PORTION OF THE NORMANDY PLAZA HOTEL.
THEY ARE PROPOSING THE TOTAL DEMOLITION OF THAT.
UM, AND I'M ASSUMING THE 71ST STREET, SHE, THE WASN'T CLEAR ON THE QUESTION, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT CLOSING DURING CONSTRUCTION AND THEY WILL, THE, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO PREPARE A, UM, CONSTRUCTION PLAN, STAGING PLAN, AND, AND THEY CANNOT BLOCK ACCESS TO, TO A NEIGHBORING BUILDING.
I MEAN, THEY'LL HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF STAGING, WHICH STILL, WHICH ALLOWS THIS, THE ACCESS TO THE BARLEY HOUSE.
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YES, WE HAVE CHARLES MARKS.HI CHARLES, DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE, UH, NEW BUILDING PROPOSAL IS, IS HOW HIGH IT'S GOING TO BE.
ARE YOU GOING TO, DEBBIE, DO YOU WANT TO? UM, YES, THE PROPOSED NEW TOWER IS 200 FEET.
UM, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, WAS THERE ANYTHING, UM, THE APPLICANT WANTED TO RESPOND TO IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, ALL GOOD THEN.
UM, BOARD MEMBER COMMENT, WE'LL GO IN TERMS OF ENTHUSIASM.
UH, UH, WITH, UH, GREAT, GREAT ENTHUSIASM.
SO WE DID PRE PREPARE, PREPARE A TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT.
UM, AS THEY MENTIONED EARLIER, I THINK WE'RE EXPECTING, UM, A NET NEW ONE, A MP HOUR TRIP IN THE MORNING AND A REDUCTION IN THE AFTERNOON.
AND SO IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY, THAT DOESN'T TRIGGER A TRAFFIC STUDY.
HOWEVER, WE DID PERFORM AN ASSESSMENT WHERE WE LOOKED AT BOTH VALET OPERATIONS AND ENTRY GATE OPERATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT TRAFFIC WOULD NOT SPILL BACK ONTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
AND, UM, THOSE, THOSE RESULTS SHOW THAT TRAFFIC CAN BE ACCOMMODATED, UM, ACCOMMODATED ON SITE.
DID YOU CONSIDER FUTURE, UH, IMPACTS, UH, SUCH AS THE FOUR TOWERS? UH, MICHAEL, UH, MENTIONED, UM, WE DISCUSSED COMMITTED DEVELOPMENTS WITH, UM, CITY OF, YOU KNOW, THE CITY STAFF.
AND THAT WOULDN'T BE CAPTURED IN OUR ASSESSMENT.
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN CAPTURED IN A FULL BLOWN STUDY.
BUT BECAUSE THE PROJECT ISN'T GENERATING TRIPS FOR THAT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD'VE LOOKED AT.
BUT I THINK WE COULD ALL AGREE THAT TRAFFIC, UH, IS JUST GONNA GET CONSIDERABLY WORSE IN THE NORTH END, UH, BASED ON, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENING UP THERE.
SO I GUESS ON SITE RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT AN 84 ROOM HOTEL AND THE SCALE OF THIS PROJECT IS 37 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
AND SO OUR PROJECTIONS ARE JUST SHOWING A REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE LOOKED AT THAT AS, AS PART OF THE ANALYSIS.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT? JEFF? ELIZABETH? GO AHEAD, DR.
SO GOING BACK TO THE ROOF, UM, THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING ON THE DRAWINGS HERE SHOWS THAT THE ROOF, IT'S A 200 FEET ABOVE, UM, A TOTAL HEIGHT, BUT THEN IT HAS AN UPPER ROOF THAT ADDS ANOTHER 12 FEET.
AND THERE IS THE MECHANICAL AREA ABOVE THAT.
SO WHAT KIND OF ENCROACHMENTS OR ADD-ONS ARE ALLOWED BY HOME? SO, UM, THERE ARE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT ENCROACHMENTS INCLUDING A, A ROOF DECK, SWIMMING POOL, OPEN SHADE STRUCTURES, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, PARAPETS.
UM, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF ANY ENCROACHMENT IS 25 FEET.
SO THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, IS THE TALLEST PORTION OF THIS PROJECT.
THAT WOULD BE A 25 FOOT MAXIMUM ABOVE THE 200 FEET.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING HERE.
SO HERE IT SHOWS THAT THE, I MEAN, ABOVE THE 22 FEET, 220.
SO WHAT'S THE SPACE BETWEEN THE ROOF LEVEL AND THE UPPER ROOF LEVEL? WHAT'S THAT USED FOR? THE PENTHOUSE, THE PENTHOUSE UNITS HAVE, UH, THE ROOFTOP TERRACES.
SO THEN THE PENTHOUSE UNITS CAN GO ABOVE THE MAXIMAL HEIGHT? UH, NO, THE PENTHOUSE STAYS, UM, THERE AND THEN THE THEY HAVE ROOFTOP TERRA.
YEAH, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING KOBE.
'CAUSE YOU SHOW HERE IN, AT THIS, THE DRAWING I'M LOOKING AT, IT SHOWS LIKE THE BUILDING HEIGHT, THE ROOF LEVEL OF 200 FEET.
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IS ANOTHER 12 FEET THAT'S CALLED THE UPPER ROOF LEVEL, WHICH I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S THE USE ON THAT SPACE.AND THEN THERE IS THE MECHANICAL SCREEN.
BLESS, BLESS, BLESS, BLESS, BLESS.
THAT'S NOT AN ACTUAL DECK THAT YOU CAN WALK ON AN OPEN SHADE STRUCTURE.
SO THOSE ARE ALLOWABLE UP TO 25 FEET ABOVE THE 200 FEET.
SO THEY'RE JUST SPLITTING TWO AREAS TO BREAK THE VOLUME, BUT THEY'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH THE SAME USAGE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE RENDERINGS, YOU'LL SEE THE FLOATING OPEN TRELLIS ON THE ROOF.
UM, ANY, ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER COMMENT? IF NOT, UM, WELL I'LL, I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST JUMP IN AND SAY THAT I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M SORRY TO SEE, VERY SORRY TO SEE AN EL MURRAY DIXON BUILDING GO DOWN.
I THINK THAT THIS IS, I I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, THIS IS NOT WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE, OF THIS BOARD, BUT I DO THINK THAT THIS, UM, THAT IF THERE WAS, UH, SOME WAY TO KIND OF MEMORIALIZE THE EXISTENCE OF THAT BUILDING ON THE SITE.
JUST THAT EL MURRAY DIXON HAD A, HAD A HOTEL ON THAT SITE AND IT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, A, A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING THAT THAT WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL ORDER WITH THE ORDER, BUT IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T CHANGE THE DEMOLITION.
IT JUST KINDA GIVES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PRESENCE, UM, FOR THE FUTURE SO THAT PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THESE EACH, EACH SITE HAS LAYERS TO IT.
AND THESE LAYERS INCLUDE THINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN PRECIOUS TO PEOPLE AT SOME POINT AND NO LONGER EXIST NOW.
FINISHES, FIREPLACES, YOU KNOW,
DP INTERPRET LIKE MAYBE AN INTERPRETIVE CENTER WITHIN LIKE THE LOBBY THAT, BECAUSE THE ROYAL PALM HAS SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE ABOUT FOUR FEET WIDE, EIGHT FEET TALL.
SOME TEXT QR CODE THAT GOES INTO THE HISTORY.
I THINK WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR SURE.
CAN THAT BE PART OF THE, UM, AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT IS PROFFERING THAT YES, WE ARE VOLUNT SOME, LIKE THEY ARE, WE'RE VOLUNTARILY PROFFERING THAT.
AND WHAT'D YOU SAY? EIGHT BY EIGHT
I DON'T WANNA GIVE DIMENSIONS.
BUT YES, WE'LL DO IT AND IT'LL BE IN A PROMINENT PLACE AS YOU COME IN.
OR MAYBE AS YOU WALK BY IN THE ARCADE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT SOMEWHERE.
BECAUSE, AND IT'D BE MORE PUBLIC AND BE MORE PUBLIC ON THE WALL AND IT'S YES, ABSOLUTELY.
BECAUSE I, I CAN IMMEDIATE IMAGINE THAT NOBODY, NOBODY BORN TODAY WILL EVER KNOW THERE WAS
AND IT SHOULD BE NICE, THIS BIG BUILDING THAT'S A GOOD PLACE WITH, WITH A STORIED HISTORY.
WELL, WELL, I'M HOPING THEY DO, BUT OKAY.
WITH THAT, UM, CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM ANYONE? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.
IS THERE, I GUESS YOUR, JUST YOUR MOTION TO VERBAL IS THE MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, TO, TO, TO, TO APPROVE, UH, AS PER, UH, STAFF'S, UH, CONDITIONS.
AND, AND THE PROFFER FOR THE HISTORIC AND THE PROFFER FOR, UH, DISPLAY OUTLINING THE PROPERTY'S HISTORY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME HERE TODAY.
CAN YOU TODAY? OH, IT'S AMAZING.
IS THAT WHAT WAS ON THE SITE? YEAH.
IT'S THE ORIGINAL THAT'S I ALWAYS SAY THE CHAIR, THE LAST ONE.
IT'S USUALLY SAID EVERYTHING WE DID THIS ONE.
THE NEXT APPLICATION ON THE AGENDA.
[7. HPB25-0657, 809 2nd Street.]
ON THE AGENDA IS HPB 25 0 6 5 7.AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE
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OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME, INCLUDING VARIANCES FROM THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH AND LOT AREA.UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE EXISTING VACANT SITE.
UH, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE MASSING AND CONTEMPORARY DESIGN LANGUAGE OF THE NEW HOME, UM, WHICH INCORPORATES VARIATIONS IN SURFACE FINISHES AND CHANGES IN PLAIN ALONG THE PRIMARY ELEVATION.
UH, FURTHER THE HEIGHT SCALE AND MASS OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME LOCATED AT EIGHT 19 SECOND STREET IN THE RECENTLY APPROVED HOME LOCATED AT 8 0 3 SECOND STREET.
UM, SO TO EITHER SIDE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, WE HAVE ONE HOME THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED, ONE HOME, UM, THAT I BELIEVE IS IN FOR PERMITTING.
UM, AND WHEN EVALUATED IN THAT CONTEXT, UM, STAFF DOES BELIEVE THAT THIS, UH, PROPOSED DESIGN IS CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, STAFF'S ONLY CONCERN IS RELATIVE TO THE PROPOSED BALCONY RAILINGS AND SCREENING.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THE RAILINGS AS DESIGNED WILL PROBABLY REQUIRE A EXPOSED BOLT ATTACHMENT TO THE FACE OF THE SLAB, WHICH WILL BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
CONSEQUENTLY, WE, UM, ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE RAILING DESIGNED, UH, BE DESIGNED IN A MANNER THAT WILL NOT REQUIRE THESE EXPOSED METAL PLATES OR BOLTS, UM, WHICH IS A MINOR REQUEST THAT WE BELIEVE WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL.
UM, THE TWO VARIANCES ARE WITH REGARD TO THE EXISTING, UH, LOT WIDTH AND LOT SIZE.
THE RRP S TWO ZONING DISTRICT REQUIRES A MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF 5,750 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THE CURRENT, UH, THE EXISTING PROPERTY, WHICH IS A PLATTED LOT, UM, IS 2,650, ABOUT 57 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THE REQUIRED.
SO AS, UM, WITHOUT THE VARIANCE, THE APPLICANT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT ANYTHING ON THE LOT AND COULD NOT USE THE LOT.
UM, AND THIS THE SIMILAR SITUATION WITH THE EXISTING LOT WIDTH.
THE EXISTING LOT WIDTH IS 47 AND A HALF FEET, UM, AND THE CODE REQUIRES A MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF 50 FEET.
AGAIN, WITHOUT A VARIANCE, NOTHING COULD BE CONSTRUCTED ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO STAFF HAS, UM, EVALUATED THIS AND, AND BELIEVES THIS MEETS THE ACTUAL HARDSHIP CRITERIA, UM, AND IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUESTED VARIANCE.
WITH THAT, UM, I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DEBBIE ED? UH, I GUESS IT, IT'S MORE OF A DISCLOSURE AND A QUESTION.
I, I BELIEVE I LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY, IT WAS A VACANT LOT, SOME 30 YEARS AGO, AND, UH, I'M NOT A DEVELOPER.
UH, AND, UH, BUT IT WAS A GOOD DEAL.
I RECALL, I THINK IT WAS 60 OR 80,000, UH, BACK, BACK THEN.
UH, THERE WAS A HOUSE THERE PROBABLY ABOUT, I LOOKED AT, I COULD BE WRONG, ONE OF THOSE.
ANY NO QUESTIONS FOR DEBBIE? UH, HASKELL? NO.
UH, MY NAME IS RICARDO DE LAVEGA.
I'M THE ARCHITECT, UH, FROM STUDIO DE LAVEGA ARCHITECTS.
UM, MY CLIENT, AN OWNER IS, UH, JOHN BLATT.
UH, I THINK IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, UM, THAT IT'S A SINGLE DWELLING HOME IS A MISSING TOOTH BETWEEN THREE PROPERTIES.
UH, IF YOU MAYBE JUST LOOK AT PAGE 12, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM WHAT DEBORAH HAS ALREADY MENTIONED.
THAT IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, VOLUME, MASSING, IT'S WITHIN KEEPING WITHIN THE, UH, BUILT, UH, HOUSE TO THE WEST TO THE LEFT OF THE DRAWING AND THE ONE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THE MOMENT.
SO THERE ARE NO, UM, VARIATIONS OR ANY, ANY CHANGES TO THE MASSING OR THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
UM, PAGE 13, WHICH IS THE FIRST FLOOR.
JUST SHOULD, SHOULD I QUICKLY RUN THROUGH HOW THE HOUSE WORKS OR IS THAT NECESSARY? I MEAN, PLEASE, PLEASE, YES.
AND, AND FIRST FLOOR OBVIOUSLY IS THE ENTRY.
WE HAVE THE GAR, THE DRIVEWAY AND GARAGE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
UH, THERE'S A DEEP RECESS OF THE DRIVEWAY, UM, THE ENTRY TO THE PROPERTIES IN THE CENTER.
I HAVE, I LOCATED THE, UM, THE, THE CORE, THE STAIR, THE ELEVATOR, UH, PRETTY MUCH IN THE CENTER OF THE HOUSE SO THAT THE, THE HOUSE IS DIVIDED, BUT BASICALLY INTO EAST, WEST,
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INTO TWO HALVES.UM, THERE IS A GYM OFFICE ON THE GROUND LEVEL, LAUNDRY, UH, BATHROOM.
UH, THERE IS A LANDSCAPE ELEMENT AT THE ENTRY, UH, WHICH IS A, A, A POND WHICH WILL HAVE TWO TREES WITHIN THE POND.
SO IT'S A DEEPLY RESIST AREA THAT THAT GIVES US QUITE A BIT OF MODULATION IN THE FACADE, AT LEAST ON, ON THIS, ON THIS LEVEL.
UH, THE NEXT LEVEL UP, SECOND FLOOR, UH, THE BEDROOMS ARE SITUATED ON THIS LEVEL.
THERE'S, UH, THREE DOUBLE BEDROOMS WITH, UH, THEIR OWN SUITES, UH, WALKIN CLOSETS.
UH, THERE'S A STUDY, UH, IN THE CENTER FACING THE ON, ON THE EASTERN SIDE.
UH, I WILL TALK ABOUT THE VARIATIONS THAT, UH, IN TERMS THAT, THAT I'M REQUESTING IN TERMS OF THE PLANTER AND THE BA STRAIT, UH, IN A MINUTE.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY AN OPEN PLAN.
AGAIN, THE DIVISION IS BETWEEN THE, UH, THE, THE, THE CORE, THE, THE STAIR AND THE ELEVATOR.
SO THE KITCHEN'S ON THE LEFT, DINING ON THE RIGHT.
THERE'S A OUTDOOR TERRACE AT THIS POINT, SO THAT'S OPEN TO THE SKY.
UM, LIVING AREAS TO THE FRONT OF THE, OF BUILDING WITH ITS OWN BALCONY OR, UH, LARGE SLIDING GLASS DOORS.
UM, NOW THE ROOF IS, UH, WILL SIMPLY HAVE A, A BARBECUE AREA.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN OPEN ROOFTOP, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE EXISTING EXISTING HOUSE HAS, UH, WITH A RETRACTABLE CANVAS WARNING OVER THE BARBECUE AREA.
SO, SO THAT'S VERY, VERY SIMILAR.
UM, THE VOID, I JUST WANNA BRING YOUR ATTENTION THAT THE, THERE'S A SCREENING OVER THAT VOID FACING THE HOUSE TO, UH, ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH IS THREE STORY SIZE.
A BREEZE BLOCK WILL, WILL COME TO THAT IN THE RENDERS.
THAT'S JUST SIMPLY TO GIVE US PRIVACY, UM, TO, TO THE STUDY AND TO, AND TO THE OUTDOOR TERRACE.
UM, NOW MAYBE, UH, WE MIGHT, IF WE CAN GO TO PAGE EIGHT, UH, WHICH IS THE VARIANCE, UH, IN QUESTION.
UM, THE CONNECTION TO THE BALUSTRADE, UH, WITH THE BOLTS, THAT'S, THAT'S EASILY RESOLVED.
AND I, I'LL FIND A WAY OF A METHOD OF FASTENING THE BALU STRAIT SO THAT NO BOLTS ARE, UH, UH, ARE SEEN FROM THE STRAI OF VISUAL.
NOW THE REQUEST IS FOR AN ADDITIONAL SEVEN INCHES 0.25, UH, FOR THE BALCONY WHERE THE BALLAST RED IS AND THE PLANTER BOX.
I, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A VERY MINOR PROJECTION BEYOND WHAT'S REQUIRED.
CAN I, CAN I INTERJECT HERE? BECAUSE STAFF DID NOT ANALYZE THAT PARTICULAR VARIANCE.
WE DID NOT SEE THAT IN THE INITIAL APPLICATION REQUEST.
THAT WHAT I SEE IN THE PLANS REFERENCE TOO.
WHICH REFERENCE ARE YOU REFERRING TO? THE, THE PROJECTION VARIANCE STAFF HAS NOT ANALYZED THAT VARIANCE THAT'S SHOWN ON PAGE EIGHT.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION.
UH, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, IT WAS, UH, THAT THIS IS A FULL PACKAGE THAT I, THAT I SENT, THAT I SUBMITTED.
WE NOTICED THE TWO VARIANCES, UM, THAT WE BELIEVED WERE IN THE APPLICATION, WHICH WAS THE LOT WIDTH AND THE LOT AREA.
UH, WELL, YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR REPORT WE DID NOT HAVE A, AN EVALUATION OF THE PROJECTION.
SO YEAH, I THINK WE DID NOTE THAT IT, IT, IT DID NOT COMPLY WITH THE CODE THAT'S ON PAGE TWO IN TERMS OF THE BALCONIES MAY PROJECT A MAXIMUM OF 25% OF THE REQUIRED SETBACK.
UM, BUT WE DID NOT ANALYZE THAT AS A REQUESTED VARIANCE.
SO THAT COULD COME BACK AS A MODIFICATION.
WELL, COULD, COULD WE AT LEAST DISCUSS IT SO WE KNOW WHERE, WHERE WE'RE AT? SURE.
NO, I THINK WE CAN DIS I THINK WE CAN DISCUSS IT, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THE WHOLE THING CAN BE APPROVED WITHOUT THAT VARIANCE BEING NOTICED AND RIGHT.
THE OTHER, THE PROJECT CAN BE APPROVED ALONG WITH THE LOT IN WIDTH AND SIZE.
THE PROJECTION VARIANCE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK.
BUT YOU CAN, CAN THAT DONE, YOU CAN YEAH.
DESCRIBE IT, UM, TO THE BOARD MEMBERS.
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THERE'S NO ISSUE WHEN YOU SAY COME BACK, HAVE ANOTHER, SO IT CAN'T BE DONE UNDER DELEGATED AUTHORITY OR, OR NO, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE NOTICED RIGHT.TO THE PUBLIC AS TO WHAT'S GONNA BE HEARD.
BUT I MEAN, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE ISSUE.
WELL, BECAUSE IT WASN'T ANALYZED, IT WASN'T NOTICED TO THE NEIGHBORS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT HAPPENED WHEN I'VE ASKED FOR, FOR A VARIANCE, UH, WHICH ISDU DULY NOTED ON PAGE EIGHT, AND IT'S ALSO IN MY REPORT.
WELL, UM, WELL, WE, THAT'S FINE.
UH, IS, IS THERE A WAY THAT THE VARIANCE THAT THE, UM, THAT PLANTER CAN BE REDUCED? UM, I MEAN, IT, IT COULD BE REDUCED JUST A SLIGHTLY, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S CLOSE TO THE, UM, LIKE IT'S CLOSE TO WHAT'S ALLOWED, BUT IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO BIG.
WELL, IT'S SEVEN INCHES IS NOT A LOT
LOOK TO BE, I'M JUST SAYING HE GETS YOU THROUGH TODAY.
SO IT'S NOT, BUT IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECTION, IT, IT MEANS THAT REDUCING THE, THE BALCONY FIRST LEVEL.
WHICH PAGE, WHICH DRAWING ARE YOU ON? PAGE EIGHT.
THAT'S THE SECTION PAGE EIGHT.
SO THE, THE, THE BALCONY ON OF THE LIVING ROOM ON LEVEL THREE.
UH, I DON'T HAVE A DIMENSION, I'M SORRY, MY, MY MISTAKE.
BUT THAT IS PROBABLY AT BEST FORFEIT IN DEPTH.
SO IT'S NOT A, A BALCONY WHERE WE'RE GONNA PUT FURNITURE ON, BUT AT LEAST YOU DON'T WANNA FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GONNA OPEN THE DOOR AND FALL OVER THE EDGE.
BUT JUST LET ME, SO DEBBIE, CAN I JUST ASK YOU, IS THE, IS THE, IS THE ALLOWED, I SEE THIS, THIS ENCROACHES ONE FOOT 11 INCHES INTO A FIVE FOOT SETBACK.
WHAT'S THE ALLOWABLE, WHAT WOULD THE ALLOWABLE BE? IT'S 25%.
SO IT CAN YOU REDUCE THAT BY THE SET BY THE SEVEN INCHES? YOU WERE BY SEVEN INCHES.
WELL, LOOK, IT, IT CAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT THE BALCONY'S ONLY FOUR FEET DEEP, SEVEN INCHES MAKES IT, YEAH, IT'S WORKABLE, BUT IT'S NOT REAL IDEAL.
BUT, UH, I'M JUST SAYING TO GET YOU TO GET YOU THROUGH TODAY RATHER THAN, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE PLANTER BOX THEN BECOMES ALMOST USEFUL.
I CAN'T REALLY PLANT ANYTHING ON, ON WHAT WOULD BE PROBABLY THREE INCHES OR SOMETHING.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT HOR HORIZONTAL PLANT EFFECT TOTALLY UP TO YOU.
EXCEPT THAT NARROWER, UH, THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN PUT IN THERE, BUT NO, LOOK, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
I, I'M JUST CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND.
SO, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU AND YOUR CLIENT CAN CHOOSE TO DO LIKE NO'S.
WE, WE, WE CAN DO IT, BUT WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, IT WOULD NOT PRECLUDE YOU FROM COMING BACK AND ASKING FOR IT IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT.
BUT I THINK JOHN'S, OUR CHAIR'S SUGGESTION IS YOU COULD GET AN APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT ALTOGETHER AND NOT HAVE TO COME BACK IF YOU THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
WE, WE, WE, WE, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO, WE CAN THAT, THAT'S FINE.
THAT'S JUST TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER OPTION.
SO YOU DIDN'T LEAVE HERE WITHOUT A, YOU KNOW, NO, NO, NO.
UM, I KNOW IT'S NOT IDEAL AND YOU CAN CHANGE, YOU CAN COME BACK LATER IF YOU NEED TO.
UM, WELL LOOK, THE, THE, THE RENDERS, UH, TOWARDS THE LAST PAGES, UH, IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES, UM, I BEG YOUR PARDON.
THERE YOU CAN SEE ALL THE FOUR ELEVATIONS.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.
WERE YOU ABLE TO ADDRESS THE, UM, OH, WELL HOW ABOUT WE WAIT UNTIL YOU FINISHED YOUR PRESENTATION AND THEN, 'CAUSE THIS HAS GONE
IF WE'RE DONE, UM, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL JUST ASK MY QUESTION 'CAUSE NOW IS JUST QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
SO WERE YOU ABLE TO ADDRESS THE, UM, THE QUESTION ABOUT THE BOLTS, THE EXPOSED BOLTS IN THE, THE, IN THE STAFF REPORT? OH, THAT'S, THAT'S EASILY RESOLVED.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
SO, UM, DEBBIE, THIS IS A SITE THAT WE VISITED ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, RIGHT? A DECADE AGO.
THERE WAS ANOTHER PROJECT APPROVED FOR THIS SITE.
I BELIEVE I WAS TWO TOWNHOUSES.
I THINK THEY WERE NOT TOWNHOUSE.
I'LL PUT PLANS FOR A TOWNHOUSE.
BUT THE, THE OLD, BUT THE OLD, UH, BUT THE ORIGINAL BUILDING THAT WAS ON THE SITE, WE ALSO WENT INTO THAT.
YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS, YEAH.
IT WAS A SINGLE STORY BECAUSE I DID, I, I, I, ODDLY ENOUGH, I WAS LOOKING AT BUYING THAT FOR MYSELF BACK IN 20 15, 20 16 MM-HMM
UH, AND THE EXISTING HOUSE, WHICH WAS
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HALF DEMOLISHED ALREADY WAS TRIPLE THING.ANYWAY, WE, WE, MY PARTNERS, WELL WE PULLED THAT OFF THAT DEAL, BUT, BUT 2016 THERE WAS DEFINITELY A, A RATHER ODD COTTAGE.
VERY LITTLE HISTORIC MERIT AS OPPOSED TO THE ONE ON, ON, ON EITHER SIDE, WHICH YES.
WHICH SITE IS THE VACANT SITE? UH, HAVE THEY ALL HAD STRUCTURES AND I, I JUST LOST MY BEARING.
DO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE MERIDIA SECOND STREET AND MERIDIA? YEAH.
I, I, I THOUGHT THAT WAS, THAT'S BEEN VACANT, BUT OBVIOUSLY NO, THE TION OF THAT WAS APPROVED, SAY THREE OR SO YEARS AGO.
THREE, MAYBE FOUR YEARS BEWILDERED.
THERE'S ANOTHER ONE FURTHER TOWARDS THE WEST.
PASSES ON EITHER SIDE THAT, THAT'S BEEN A LOT EMPTY FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE, I THINK THAT'S ONE YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
SO THAT'S BETWEEN MERIDIAN AND JEFFERSON? NO, NO, NO, NO.
FURTHER DOWN, UH, JEFFERSON AND THE NEXT STREET UP MICHIGAN OR WHATEVER IT IS.
SO SEEING NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, DISCLOSURES.
JUST A QUICK, IS, IS THIS A SPEC HOME OR NO, NO, IT'S, UH, UH, FOR JOHN.
HE LIVES, UH, IN ALTON ROAD AT THE MOMENT.
SO HE'S, HE LIVES IN THE AREA.
UH, DIS AND DISCLOSURES NO, NO, NO DISCLOSURES.
IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT ONLINE? YES.
ONLINE, UM, ERIC S RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO, UH, THIS IS ALAN SLUTSKY
AND SO WHAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MY QUESTIONS, UH, ARE, I CAN GROUP THEM INTO, SO WE HAVE A REALLY UNIQUE SPOT HERE AT SECOND AND MERIDIAN WITH THESE THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UH, AND SO THE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, I THINK, TO US AT 2 0 8 MERIDIAN WITH THAT CONDO RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S A VERY UNIQUE, UH, HALF OF A BLOCK GOING DOWN TOWARDS THIRD STREET WHERE, UH, YOU HAVE SOME, SOME, SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, ORIGINAL, UH, CUBAN, UH, IMMIGRANTS STILL LIVING THERE IN THAT AREA.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WITH THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, WHICH I FULLY SUPPORT TO THINK ABOUT HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE HEIGHT OF, UH, THOSE CONDOS MOVING FORWARD.
WAS THAT YOUR ONLY QUESTION? OKAY, GOOD.
MUST HAVE BEEN, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
THE OTHER, THE, THE ONLY OTHER, UH, QUESTION WAS REGARDING THE, UH, THERE'S A BANYAN, UH, ON SECOND MERIDIAN, UH, BUT THAT WOULDN'T AFFECT THIS MIDDLE PROPERTY.
IT'S MORE SO, BUT I AM, I AM KIND OF INTERESTED IN SEEING THE PLANS FOR THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UH, I, I, I, I DON'T SEE THEM, I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THEM RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M SURE IT'LL BE EASY TO REVIEW THOSE.
AND THAT REALLY IS, UH, THAT'S REALLY WHERE I'M AT.
DI DEBBIE, DID YOU UNDERSTAND THE FIRST QUESTION? PROCEED WAS THE FIRST QUESTION.
UM, ALAN, FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR US, OR FOR THE STAFF? OKAY.
IT WAS ABOUT A NEIGHBORING, ABOUT A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
I WASN'T SURE HOW IT, I DON'T THINK I CAN ANSWER THAT RELATED TO THIS.
SO, SO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT IS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER THAT IS THERE, YES.
IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW THAT EXACT HEIGHT AND, AND THEN KNOW THE EXACT HEIGHT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH IN, IN THAT MIDDLE PROPERTY.
UH, THAT'S UNDER PURVIEW RIGHT NOW.
OH, YOU HAVE THAT DRAWING, I THINK IN YOUR, WELL, AGAIN, IF WE GO BACK TO PAGE 12.
IT'S, YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY THE HEIGHTS.
I WOULD ARGUE THAT OURS IS AT LEAST IN APPEARANCE, SLIGHTLY LOWER DEFINITELY THAN THE ONE ON THE CORNER OF MERIDIAN STREET BECAUSE OF THE UHHUH VERTICAL ARCHITECTURAL LANGUAGE THAT MERIDIAN STREET HAS.
UM, UH, BASICALLY THE, THE SHAFT, THE STAIR AND ELEVATOR SHAFT IS SET BACK CONSIDERABLE DISTANCE FROM THE STREET.
SO YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THAT FROM THE STREET.
SO I, I, I'M, I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE ARE WELL WITHIN THE, THE HIGH LIMIT MM-HMM
UM, IS ANYBODY ELSE ONLINE? NO.
LET'S, UH, CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS A, HAS HAD A CHANCE TO COMMENT ON THE OPEN ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT, UH,
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BOARD MEMBER COMMENT.IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADD AT THIS POINT, COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE.
IF NOT, I WOULD, UM, JUST, JUST ASK IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE AMEND AGREED TO BY THE, UH, BY THE ARCHITECT.
THAT, THAT WAS FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF PURPOSE.
WE HAVE TO, CAN WE DO IT AGAIN FOR THE TWO VARIS? YES.
ANOTHER MOTION FOR THE VARIANCES.
SORRY, I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE.
THE SIZE, THE ONE THE LOT SIZE.
LOTS SIZE, A LOT SIZE VARIANCE, UM, OR COVERAGE.
HEY, UM, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WE'VE CONCLUDED OUR REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS. NOW, I DID PLACE
[8. Sidewalk color within the historic districts.]
A DISCUSSION ITEM, UM, THAT IS, UM, REGARDING THE COLOR OF OUR SIDEWALKS, WHICH IS A VERY EXCITING TOPIC THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING, THAT I'VE BEEN BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR, SINCE AT LEAST 2010.UM, I REMEMBER WRITING A MEMO, UM, BUT THE CITY'S ACTUALLY BEEN TO SOME RESEARCH I DID.
UH, THE CITY'S ACTUALLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS SINCE THE, UM, 1960S.
SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE KIND OF A COMBINATION.
WE HAVE A LOT OF SIDEWALKS THAT ARE THE RED WITH THE IRON OXIDE PIGMENT, UM, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A RECENT DISCUSSION, UH, AT THE CITY'S LAND USE.
I THINK IT'S AT LAND USE, RIGHT? WAS AT LAND USE, AND NOW IT'S MOVING TO THE FULL COMMISSION.
REGARDING MOVING FORWARD, UM, WHAT SHOULD THE CITY'S POLICY BE? SO THE MAYOR AND COMMISSION WILL BE BRINGING THE, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THIS AND MAKING, UH, POLICY, UH, DECISIONS.
AND AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, THE, UM, COMMISSION HAS ASKED FOR INPUT FROM BOTH THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AND THE CITY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
UM, A WHILE AGO, I THINK IT WAS, AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT THIS IN 2010, AND I THINK MORE RECENTLY, MAYBE IN 2000 AND, AND 18 OR 19, UM, THE POLICY WAS TO CONTINUE WITH THE RED SIDEWALKS AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
UM, AND I, I BELIEVE OUTSIDE OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS WHERE THERE ARE EXISTING RED SIDEWALKS, WERE ALSO CURRENTLY CONTINUING WITH THOSE RED SIDEWALKS.
UM, RECENTLY THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE AND THE DIFFICULTY OF MAINTAINING AND CLEANING THE RED SIDEWALKS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST A MAINTENANCE ISSUE, IT'S AN ACTUAL, UH, INSTALLATION ISSUE.
MIXING CONCRETE WITH A, WITH A VOLATILE COLORED PIGMENT, UM, CAN CHANGE, RIGHT? DEPENDING ON THE TEMPERATURE, DEPENDING ON HUMIDITY LEVELS, THOSE, THOSE COLOR PIGMENTS CAN BE SOMEWHAT VOLATILE AND CHANGE DEPENDING ON HUMIDITY LEVELS, ET CETERA.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOT AN ENTIRELY UNIFORM LOOK TO OUR RED SIDEWALKS.
UM, WE HAVE CERTAIN AREAS WHERE WE'VE HAD SPECIAL, UH, DESIGNED SIDEWALKS BE APPROVED BY THIS BOARD.
AND ALSO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, LIKE IN THE FAINA DISTRICT, WE HAD A SPECIAL PATTERN APPROVED.
SO IT'S NOT ENTIRELY CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE, THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
BUT IN GENERAL, I THINK THE COMMISSION IS LOOKING FOR SOME INPUT.
WHAT DOES THIS BOARD SEE AS THE FUTURE OF, OF SIDEWALK EITHER PATTERN OR COLOR WITHIN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
UM, WE HAVE AREAS OF THE CITY THAT ALSO HAVE THE NATURAL CONCRETE SIDEWALKS.
UM, AND SO I THINK WE JUST HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION, AND IF THE BOARD HAS ANY RECOMMENDATIONS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, UH, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, WHAT'S THE HISTORY OF THE RED SIDEWALK? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
THAT IS SOMETHING I HAVE ALSO BEEN RESEARCHING SINCE 2010, AND JUST RECENTLY FOUND SOME MORE EVIDENCE.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF A, AN URBAN LEGEND THAT IT WAS CARL FISHER
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AND THAT HE WANTED TO ROLL OUT THE RED CARPET FOR PEOPLE.UM, I HAVE DONE, AND JAKE AND I BOTH HAVE DONE EXTENSIVE RESEARCH.
I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND ONE IOTA OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT, UM, AT ALL.
AND THAT INCLUDES GOING THROUGH CARL FISHER'S OLD WRITINGS, I MEAN PAGES AND PAGES OF HIS OLD WRITINGS ABOUT HOW HE WAS PLANNING THE CITY.
UM, THERE WAS A MORE SPECIFIC COMMENT, AGAIN, NOT VERIFIABLE, THAT NO SOURCES WERE ATTACHED, WHERE ONE PERSON WAS SAYING, WELL, IT WASN'T THAT HE PLANNED THE CITY WITH THE RED SIDEWALKS.
IT WAS AT THE FLAMINGO HOTEL THAT HE PAINTED KIND OF THE WALKWAYS RED.
AND THAT MADE A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE TO ME, BUT AGAIN, FOUND NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT THAT WAS EVEN DONE AT THE FLAMINGO HOTEL, WHICH, UM, IS PLAUSIBLE, BUT COULD NOT FIND NO EVIDENCE.
I DID, WE DID RECENTLY FIND A MIAMI HERALD ARTICLE FROM 1970, EARLY 1970S THAT, UM, THE CITY ENGINEER AND THE CITY COMMISSION AT THE TIME WERE DISCUSSING IT.
AND THE CITY ENGINEER HAD TESTIFIED AT THE MEETING THAT THEY MORE RECENTLY HAD DETERMINED THEY WERE GOING TO USE RED SIDEWALKS TO REDUCE THE GLARE.
APPARENTLY THE RED PIGMENT HELPS, YOU KNOW, REDUCE THE GLARE FROM THE SUN, WHICH IS WHY THE CITY HAD CHANGED TO RED SIDEWALKS.
ALSO, AT THE SAME TIME, LIKE IN THE 1950S AND SIXTIES, WE FOUND OUT THAT THE CITY OF HOLLYWOOD WAS, IT WAS HOLLYWOOD, RIGHT? HAD ALL RED SIDEWALKS.
IT WASN'T JUST MIAMI BEACH THAT WAS DOING THIS.
UM, AND THE ONLY REAL VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE WE FOUND WAS SOMEONE STATED ON THE RECORD AT THE TIME, IT WAS DONE BY THE CITY TO REDUCE GLARE.
IT'S NOT AS FUN AS SAYING IT WAS CARL FISHER
RIGHT? I DON'T WANNA BURST ANYONE'S BUBBLE, AND IF ANYONE OUT THERE HAS A RECORD, PLEASE SEND IT TO US.
'CAUSE WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT, THAT, THAT CARL FISHER WAS SOMEHOW INVOLVED IN THAT.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THE RED SIDEWALKS, AT LEAST SINCE THE 1960S.
I THINK THE 1950S IS WHEN WE'VE DETERMINED THEY, THEY STARTED TO REALLY BE EVIDENT.
UM, SO IT, IT IS PART OF OUR HISTORY, BUT THEY, THEY'VE PRESENTED A CHALLENGE.
UM, THERE'S KIND OF A PATCHWORK OF COLORS AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF TREATMENTS.
THE THE PROBLEM IS REPAIR
UH, AND THE SAME THING HAPPENS WITH, WITH THE, UH, REGULAR SIDEWALKS, BUT IT'S NOT AS EVIDENT.
BUT
I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN A NEW PROJECT IS DONE AND IT'S ALL NEW SIDEWALKS, IT LOOKS FABULOUS.
AND YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT SAME SITE, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, AND YOU'D SAY, OH MY GOD.
SO I, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE SOLUTION, UM, AND WHAT WE CAN DISCUSS REGARDING THAT.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE MAINTENANCE, THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE RED SIDEWALKS FADE TERRIBLY.
UM, THE OLD RED SIDEWALKS LOOK REALLY BAD.
YOU, YOU ACTUALLY ALMOST HAVE TO WALK UP TO THEM TO REALIZE THEY'RE RED.
THE, THERE'S A SECTION ON COLLINS UP WHERE I LIVE THAT THEY HAVE BY STARBUCKS THAT THEY HAD, THE SIDEWALK WAS IN TERRIBLE CONDITION.
AND BECAUSE THEY WERE DOING THE INTERSECTIONS, THEY PUT A NEW RED SIDEWALK DOWN.
IT LOOKS SPECTACULAR WHEN IT'S BRAND NEW, AND THEN IT GOES DOWNHILL FROM THEN.
THAT'S WHAT COLORED CONCRETE DOES.
WE HARDLY EVER USE IT IN OUR PROFESSION BECAUSE IT DETERIORATES SO BADLY.
THE PROBLEM NOW IS IF YOU GO AWAY FROM IT, YOU'RE GONNA SPEND THE NEXT 25 YEARS OF REALLY INCONSISTENT SIDEWALKS WITH GRAY AND OR LIGHT, GRAY AND RED.
SO THE PROBLEM IS, IT WAS STARTED, AND IT'S GONNA BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT AND A VERY LONG PROCESS TO EVER GET RID OF IT.
AND I, THERE'S NO WAY TO STABILIZE THE COLOR.
RED'S A VERY BAD COLOR IN THE SUN AND THE FADE FADED.
SIDEWALKS ARE ALMOST GRAY NOW BECAUSE THEY'VE SO FADED.
THE PROBLEM IS HOW FAST CAN YOU CONSTANTLY PUT NEW RED SIDEWALKS DOWN,
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GRAY.UM, AND MAYBE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE.
SO, I MEAN, HERE'S MY QUESTION THOUGH.
I KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP.
SO IF THEY HAVE, IF, IF THEY MAKE A CHANGE NOW THEY HAVE TO DIG IN FRONT OF MY APARTMENT.
DO I HAVE ONE SQUARE THAT'S NOW GRAY AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS RED? I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF ISSUE.
SO EITHER YOU SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA REPLACE EVERYTHING ON THIS BLOCK, BUT THEN THE NEXT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THERE IS DIFFICULTY MAINTAINING THEM.
AND ALSO ALSO, LIKE, I MEAN, JUST RED IS A HARD COLOR TO WORK WITH IN ANY COLORING, COOKING CONCRETE, APPARENTLY.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I PERSONALLY LIKE THEM AND, UH, BUT ALSO I THINK I WOULD LIKE A LOT LESS THE PATCHWORK EFFECT THAT YOU WOULD END UP WITH AS YOU TRIED TO MOVE AWAY FROM IT.
'CAUSE IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GONNA BE ALL RIGHT.
SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE ALL OF OUR SIDEWALKS BEIGE, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE CITY, UM, TODAY.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE AN ENORMOUS EXPENSE THAT NO ONE'S GOING TO UNDERTAKE.
UM, PART OF ME SAYS, WE ARE WHERE WE ARE AND WE KEEP, WE KEEP IT EVEN THOUGH IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT OBVIOUSLY CONTRIBUTES TO THE CHARACTER OF, UM, OUR LITTLE ISLAND.
THAT, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON IT.
DEBBIE, IN YOUR RESEARCH, DID YOU COME, DID YOU FIND ANY KIND OF INNOVATIONS IN POROUS SIDEWALK MATERIAL THAT COULD BE, LIKE, THERE COULD BE A, A FUNCTIONAL REASON TO CONSIDER A DIFFERENT MATERIAL? IT JUST SEEMS THE COLOR MAKES SENSE TO STAY THE SAME IF IT'S JUST THE COLOR THAT WE'RE CHANGING, BUT IF THERE'S A FUNCTIONALITY SOMETHING.
CURRENTLY I THINK THE, THE ITEM IS JUST REGARDING THE COLOR.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S A, A CAPITAL PROJECT OR A STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, WE'LL USE PAVERS FOR CERTAIN STRATEGIC POINTS.
UM, UH, CROSSWALK OFTEN HAVE A DIFFERENT DESIGN.
SOMETIMES WE HAVE THE, THE BLACK AND WHITE STRIPES.
UM, AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE THE, THE RED PAVERS, UH, OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL NEAR THE GARAGE, WE HAVE KIND OF THE RED SIDEWALK, BUT IT HAS THE SHELL AGGREGATE MIXED IN WITH IT.
UM, BUT I THINK THE CURRENT DISCUSSION IS JUST A GENERAL DISCUSSION OF, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW THE CITY SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD.
YOU'RE, I THINK MS LEVEL SAID YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
THIS IS NOT A PLAN TO DIG UP ALL THE SIDEWALKS AND REPLACE THEM ALL.
IT'S JUST, UM, I THINK THE COMMISSION IS LOOKING FOR SOME, UH, OPINIONS FROM, FROM THE LAND USE BOARDS ON HOW TO CRAFT A POLICY THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WOULD THEN START PHASING IN, THAT WOULD START IMPLEMENTING OVER TIME.
I THINK THE, A IDEA OF AN AGGREGATE, YOU KNOW, LIKE CITY HALL, THAT MAYBE THERE, THERE'S AN AGGREGATE, MAYBE IT'S NOT A POOR SIDEWALK, BUT AN AGGREGATE THAT SUPPORTS EITHER THE LONGEVITY OF THE SIDEWALK OR THE, UH, POROSITY OF THE SIDEWALK, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH AGGREGATE'S USED OR ITS DURABILITY, UM, THAT MIGHT BE WORTH EXPLORING.
IF IT CHANGES THE, IT COULD KEEP IT RED, BUT IT WOULD BE MAYBE A, A, IT WOULD CLEARLY BE, IT'S LIKE WE THINK ABOUT IN HISTORIC CONTEXT.
YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S COMPATIBLE, BUT CLEARLY DIFFERENT.
SO, UH, THAT WAS A WAY TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT MAYBE THIS NEW THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT.
AND I THINK MAYBE LIKE THIS AGGREGATE, WHICHEVER IT'S SELECTED, COULD HELP ATTENUATE THE CHANGE IN COLORS.
SO, BECAUSE LET'S SAY THE GRADE IS SLIGHTLY WHITE, SO WHEN THE RED FADES AWAY WON'T BE SO EVIDENT BECAUSE THERE IS THE MIXING WHITE.
AND ANOTHER, UM, MIDWAY STEP COULD BE WHENEVER THERE IS A REPAIR, THAT THE REPAIR IS NOT ONLY THE LITTLE PATCH MAKE LIKE A MINIMAL AREA AROUND THE PATCH THAT NEEDS TO BE INTEGRATED INTO THE REPAIR.
SO AT LEAST YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE LITTLE AREAS OF NEW RED IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S FADED ALREADY.
I, I BELIEVE THAT CONCRETE CAN BE STAINED, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT PAINT, YEAH.
RED SIDEWALKS AND THEN IT'LL PEEL.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE'S PROBABLY A STAIN THAT YOU COULD PUT OVER THE SIDEWALK TO MAKE IT EVEN AND REVIVE IT BECAUSE IT SETTLES INTO THE, INTO, AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO JUST, UM, MAYBE GET PUBLIC WORKS TO TEST OUT SOMEPLACE.
LET ME JUST SAY, UM, THAT'S A REAL, IT LOOKS OKAY THAT THEY, THEY DO IT.
BUT IF YOU THINK THE RED SIDEWALKS DETERIORATE, THE STAINED AND PAINTED SIDEWALKS WILL JUST, COULD NOT EVEN, WELL, YEAH, DEFINITELY.
BUT, BUT EVEN THE STAIN, UNLESS IT'S DONE AT THE INITIAL INSTALLATION, YOU, YOU'RE JUST PUTTING A SURFACE TREATMENT ON AND WEAR AND SUN WILL JUST TAKE IT RIGHT OFF.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S DOWNHILL
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FROM THE MINUTE YOU DO IT, EVEN THOUGH WHEN YOU DO IT, OH, THAT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD TODAY,WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
SO THE REALLY BAD CHUNKS OF, OF RED SIDEWALK THAT WE SEE HERE, UM, 'CAUSE THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES BEING USED.
AT ONE POINT WE DECIDED WE WANTED TO CONTINUE WITH THESE RED SIDEWALKS, BUT WE WOULD POUR THEM BASICALLY IN JUST THE NATURAL CONCRETE COLOR AND TROW YEAH.
SO IT'S REALLY MORE OF A SURFACE COLOR.
AND THOSE, LIKE, YOU'LL NOTICE THEM NOW WHEN YOU WALK AROUND, YOU'LL SEE THE ONES THAT WERE TRIALED IN BECAUSE YOU COULD, IT'S LIKE PEELING OFF ALMOST, NOT PEELING OFF, BUT IT'S FADED TO THE POINT, UM, WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE CON THE, THE GRAY CONCRETE UNDERNEATH.
WE, WE'VE GONE AWAY FROM THAT NOW.
AND PUBLIC WORKS HAS, UM, BEEN WORKING WITH OUR CONTRACTORS.
THEY HAVE, WE HAVE OUR OWN FORMULA.
SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT PERFECT BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE MIXING CONCRETE, A LOT OF THINGS CAN HAPPEN.
UM, BUT WE HAVE A FORMULA THAT WE USE CONSISTENTLY THROUGHOUT TO TRY AND, AND CREATE, YOU KNOW, A MORE UNIFORM MIAMI BEACH RED.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S APPLIED.
I THINK WE SEE, YOU KNOW, WE SEE A LOT OF, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS WHO AREN'T HAPPY WITH THE CONDITION OF THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF, UH, THEIR BUSINESS.
AND WHEN WE DO SEE PEOPLE PAINTING THEM RED YEP.
UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT OFF OF, OF LINCOLN ROAD, YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THAT.
AND THAT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD EITHER.
EVEN IF SOMEONE'S CONTINUOUSLY OUT THERE PAINTING IT, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER SIDEWALKS.
I MEAN, I THINK MOST, UH, MUNICIPALITIES DEAL WITH THIS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
UM, SO I, I JUST, I THINK THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE SOME INDICATION IF, IF YOU WANNA SEE THE, THE RED COLOR CONTINUED, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH MAYBE LOOKING AT ALTERNATES.
UM, I HEARD SOME INTERESTING IDEAS ABOUT MAYBE MIXING AGGREGATE IN, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK SO DRAMATIC WHEN IT, THE COLOR DOES START TO FADE OR WHEN PATCHES ARE MADE.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
IS IT SHELLS OR STONES? OR YOU CAN DO IT AND IT WOULD LIKE, LIKE TERRAZZO FLOORING, YOU HAVE ALL, AND YOU CAN PICK A, A VERY STRONG COLOR OF RED PRIMARY.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS EVERY TIME IT'S INSTALLED, THE AGGREGATE COMPOSITION GETS CHANGED.
SO YOU GET A, IF YOU DID IT ALL AT ONCE, IT COULD LOOK FANTASTIC.
AND IT WOULD SURVIVE THE COLOR MUCH, MUCH BETTER THAN, UM, SIMPLY INTEGRATED CONCRETE.
BUT I, MY FEAR IS WHEN YOU HAVE PUBLIC WORKS DOING SOME PRIVATE DEVELOPERS DOING SOME, AND YOU'RE GIVING THEM THIS MIX, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF VARIATION.
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DO AN AGGREGATE SIDEWALK CONSTANTLY CONSISTENT ALL THE TIME.
YOU'LL GET LITTLE PIECES AND YOU'LL GET, SOMEONE THROWS A LOT OF AGGREGATE INTO IT.
MUCH EASIER TO CONTROL INTEGRATED CONCRETE, BECAUSE YOU CAN GIVE 'EM THE COLOR CODE AND THEY DO THAT.
IT'S RIGHT THROUGH THE CONCRETE.
THERE'S NO, THEY'RE PRETTY CONSISTENT.
WHAT I'VE SEEN LOOKS, THEY LOOK PRETTY CONSISTENT THAN NEW SIDEWALKS, WHICH IS SURPRISING.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED, UM, WE SHOULD DEFINITELY CONTINUE THE RED SIDEWALKS, UM, IN THE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND THEN OUTSIDE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, WE CAN SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA USE RED SIDEWALKS ANYMORE.
DEFINES YOUR DISTRICT REAL EASY.
I LIVE OUTSIDE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I'D STILL LIKE TO SEE IT CONTINUED WITH A RED SIDE
WHAT DID YOU SAY? I LIVE OUTSIDE THE HISTORIC, HE SAID HE LIVES OUTSIDE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WANTS TO KEEP THEM.
I LIVE INSIDE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY I'D LIKE TO KEEP THEM SUCH, I DO TOO.
'CAUSE DOESN'T MIAMI ACTUALLY HAVE SOME RED SIDEWALKS TOO? AM I MAKING THAT UP? THEY COULD.
I I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION ON THAT.
WHICH MAY BE WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.
NICK, YOU REALLY, I HOPE YOU DON'T LIVE IN CORAL GABLES.
WHAT, WHAT WAS, WHAT INITIATED THIS CONVERSATION NOW I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS.
UM, I THINK IT WAS IN THE SIXTIES THAT I WAS READING SOME COUNCIL MINUTE MEETINGS AND THERE WAS A DECISION TO GO WITH GREEN BECAUSE NOBODY LIKED THE RED BACK THEN.
AND THEN SOMEONE, I THINK IT WAS HAROLD ROSEN THAT SAID, WE'RE NOT DOING THIS, IT'S GONNA COST TOO MUCH MONEY.
BUT THERE WAS A, A DECISION AT SOME POINT THAT EVERYONE AGREED, LET'S, LET'S CHANGE HIM TO GREEN.
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MORE RECENTLY IN 2010, IT WAS, IT WAS A MAINTENANCE ISSUE.IT WAS THE, THE FACT THAT THEY WEREN'T LOOKING GOOD.
UM, I AGREE WITH RANDY, THE NEWER ONES.
PUBLIC WORKS IS DOING A GREAT JOB, OR WHOEVER OUR CONTRACTORS ARE DOING THEM, UM, THEY'RE BETTER, THEY'RE MUCH BETTER THAN THEY'VE EVER BEEN WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE NEW BECAUSE THE COLOR IS A LOT MORE CONSISTENT NOW.
SO I THINK WE'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS FOR, FOR DECADES.
UM, AND THE, THE QUESTION CAME UP AGAIN, I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE OF THE SAME TYPES OF ISSUES THAT IN CERTAIN AREAS IT'S, IT'S NOT LOOKING GOOD.
AND THOSE MAY BE THE OLDER PORTIONS OF THE SIDEWALKS.
IS THIS PURELY A QUESTION OF APPLICATION AND PRESERVATION AND NOT IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SENSE, BUT IN, IN THE PRE PRESERVATION OF THE SIDEWALKS AND MAKING SURE THEY CONTINUE TO LOOK GOOD? OR IS IT A QUESTION OF IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO IT THE WAY THAT WE'RE DOING? I JUST WANNA, JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S A COST.
UH, I DON'T THINK THAT THE DISCUSSION INITIATED AT, AT THE LAND USE COMMITTEE OR THE COMMISSION LEVEL HAS, HAS ANYTHING RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO COST.
FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD IT, IT IS MORE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT NOMINAL.
IT'S NOMINAL THE AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND IT'S BECOME SO COMMON THAT THEY'RE PRETTY WELL, THEY'VE DONE ALL OF INDIAN CREEK DRIVE.
I MEAN I FIGURED IT WAS PRETTY NOAL, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PAYING THREE X MORE FOR RED SIDEWALKS.
TECHNICALLY, TECHNICALLY COLOR INTEGRATED CONCRETE IS MORE EXPENSIVE.
SO I MEAN, BUT I'M GUESSING FAIRLY SMALL INCREASE.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY.
DO WE WANNA PASS ON A RESOLUTION, UH, RETAIN YEAH.
SOME TYPE OF MOTION OR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE HELPFUL.
I MEAN, PUBLIC COMMENT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY.
WE, UH, GIVE TOURS, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE EVERY DAY.
AND OUR TOUR GUIDES PRETTY MUCH SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S URBAN LEGEND FOLKLORE.
IT MIGHT BE TRUE, IT MIGHT NOT BE TRUE.
PEOPLE ARE MORE FASCINATED WITH THE RED SIDEWALKS THAN THE BUILDING SOMETIMES.
EVEN THE KIDS, THEY GO, OH, I'M WALKING, YOU KNOW, DOWN A RED SIDEWALK.
AND IT'S A NICE WAY TO DISTINGUISH.
I THINK A COMPROMISE, LIKE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS FINE, BUT IT'S, YEAH.
I MEAN, I, I SEE THE COLORS VARY AND WHATEVER, BUT I TELL YOU, PEOPLE LOVE THOSE RED SIDEWALKS.
THEY, THEY'LL, THEY'LL LIKE IT BETTER THAN ANYTHING WE DO.
AND I, I WILL SAY TO THAT ON THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COMMENTED ON IT, AT LEAST THAT I'VE HEARD, THEY'RE NOT WALKING DOWN SAYING, OH, THAT ONE LOOKS FADED.
THEY'RE JUST LIKE, WOW, YOU'VE RED SIDEWALKS.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT IN, IN, AND WITH THAT LIKE, CRITICAL OF AN EYE.
THEY'RE JUST SAYING, OH, LOOK AT THESE COOL RED SIDEWALKS.
UM, FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ARE IN FAVOR OF KEEP, I'M IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THEM.
AND I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION THAT THE BOARD IS IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THEM.
UNLESS THAT IS NOT THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD.
I WOULD SAY SUPPORT ALL THOSE SUPPORTING THAT ANYONE POST.
MIAMI BEACH, I WILL TRANSMIT THAT.
MIAMI, WHAT DO THEY EXPECT FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION? AND, AND BY THE WAY, IT'S SCHEDULED TO COME BACK.
I CHECKED, UH, TO THE LAND USE COMMITTEE IN TWO MONTHS.
SO THE, UH, THE DISCUSSION IS PENDING IN THE, IS STILL PENDING IN THE LAND USE COMMITTEE.
AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO COME BACK IN TWO MONTHS.
UH, DEBORAH AND JAKE, I SUPPOSE THIS IS THE END OF THE ROAD, AT LEAST FOR THE TIME, FOR NOW.
I'M STILL WORKING FOR THE CITY AND I'M STILL, UM, YOU KNOW, A STAFF MEMBER IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT'S MORE THAN HAPPY TO, TO ASSIST THIS BOARD WITH ANY OF YOUR NEEDS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FOR THAT MATTER.
UM, BUT I WILL BE STARTING IN OCTOBER.
UM, MICHAEL BELU WILL BE SITTING HERE ON THE DAIS WITH YOU, UH, PRESENTING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND I WILL BE SITTING WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, BOTH YOU AND JAY? BOTH, BOTH OF US.
AND WHO'S MICHAEL'S SIDEKICK? UM, GISELLE DAMPS.
WISH YOU THE BEST IN YOUR, UH, NEXT ROLLING.
BEFORE YOU GO, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES.
ABOUT THAT? THE EAST DEMOLITION LINE OR THE, IF MAYBE I'M NOT, MAYBE, YEAH, MAYBE I'M NOT THE, THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS.
DEMOLITION ONLY THE REPLACEMENT.
CAN WE JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? WHY IT CAME? I MEAN, I KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHY IT CAME ABOUT, BUT IF THERE IS ANYTHING ANYBODY CAN DO ABOUT IT.
SO THIS IS PART OF THE, UM, WHAT WAS CALLED THE RESILIENCY AND SAFE STRUCTURES ACT.
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UP IN A MUCH MORE EXPANSIVE MANNER.WHAT WAS IT IN, IN 2023? UM, THAT WOULD HAVE CREATED A MAJOR PREEMPTION OF NOT ONLY THIS BOARD, BUT, BUT A LOT OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WOULD'VE BEEN AFFECTED.
UM, THAT, THAT INITIAL BILL WOULD'VE INCLUDED OUR ARCHITECTURAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, OCEAN DRIVE, UH, COLLINS AVENUE AND SOUTH BEACH.
UM, A MUCH GREATER AREA THAT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HIRES LOBBYISTS.
WE ALSO HAD, UH, COMMISSIONER ALEX FERNANDEZ, WHO WAS IN TALLAHASSEE, OFTEN LOBBYING AGAINST THAT BILL, THAT THAT BILL ACTUALLY DIED, THAT WAS NEVER HEARD, UM, BY THE, BY THE HOUSE.
SO THE FOLLOWING YEAR, THE BILL WAS REINTRODUCED IN A MORE LIMITED WAY, AGAIN, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTING PRIMARILY THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.
UM, A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES WAR CARVED OUT OF, OF THE APPLICABILITY.
UM, AGAIN, WE LOBBIED, UH, AGAIN, I JUST, MDPL WAS ALSO EXCELLENT IN THEIR SUPPORT, UM, FOR US.
UH, COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ WAS AGAIN IN TALLAHASSEE QUITE OFTEN.
I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER ROSEN GONZALEZ ALSO, UM, MADE A SIGNIFICANT EFFORT IN OUR, IN, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH OUR PAID LOBBYISTS.
SO BASICALLY IT WAS LIMITED TO, AGAIN, PROPERTIES, SEAWARD OF THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE AND PROPERTIES THAT DID NOT COMPLY WITH THE FEMA REGULATIONS.
THE, THE AMAZING THING THAT, THAT WE FOUGHT VERY HARD TO GET IN THAT BILL IS IT EXCLUDES ANY NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT THAT WAS LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES PRIOR TO 2000, WHICH OUR ARCHITECTURAL DISTRICT WAS 1979.
BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT VIEW WAS THIS.
'CAUSE I, I REMEMBER WHEN THE OPEN YEAH.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT WAS THE DIRECT, UM, IMPLICATION ON WHAT WE DO HERE FOR YEAH.
AND, AND THE CONCERNING PART IS, IS THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, A HOME RULE STATE.
AND THEN I THINK THE CITY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB, UM, IN MANAGING OUR OWN DESIGN REVIEW AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION REGULATIONS.
UH, STAFF IS NOT GOING TO, UM, NOT FOLLOW THE, THE STATE LAWS.
I MEAN, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ADVISE, UH, ALL BOARDS TO DO AND STAFF CERTAINLY COMPLIES WITH THEM.
UM, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A DISTURBING TREND THAT WE'RE SEEING.
UM, HOPEFULLY NEXT SESSION, WE WON'T, WE WON'T HAVE ANY, UH, ATTACKS COMING AT US.
BUT IT DID SEEM THAT THIS PARTICULAR BILL WAS DIRECTLY TARGETED AT THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.
SO WHERE IS THE LINE THAT DIVIDES? WHAT COMES TO US OR NOT? LIKE, IT'S COLLINS NORTH OF LIKE A NORTHEAST WHAT? NORTH? NORTH SOUTH.
SO THE ARCHITECTURAL DISTRICT BOUND NORTHERN BOUNDARY IS 23RD STREET.
SO IT WOULD BE ALL THE PROPERTIES ON THE OCEAN SIDE SIDE.
THE, SO THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE DOES NOT EXTEND PAST THE EASTERN PROPERTIES OF COLLINS AVENUE.
SO IT'S THE EASTERN PROPERTIES ALONG COLLINS AVENUE FROM FROM 23RD STREET, UM, TO BASICALLY, UM, WHERE, WHAT'S THE, WHEREVER, WHERE'S NORTH SHORE PARK? 70, 77TH.
BUT, BUT TO BE, WHAT HAPPENED? UM, THE MEN PROPERTIES COULD HAVE COME BACK, SAY, NO, WE'VE CHANGED OUR MIND.
WE'RE GONNA TEAR DOWN THE PER SIDE.
THERE WOULD'VE BEEN NOTHING THAT ANY OF US COULD HAVE DONE.
SO WE SHOULD BE VERY THANKFUL THAT THEY KEPT GOING.
AND I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS LOOKING AT MORE AND MORE, UM, WE, UH, INCENTIVES TO INCENTIVIZE RETENTION AND RESTORATION OF, OF CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BUT PARTICULARLY IN THOSE AREAS THAT, UM, DO NOT HAVE DEMOLITION PROTECTIONS ANYMORE.
BUT WE HAD, UH, AN ORDINANCE ADOPTED RECENTLY THAT WAS A RESULT OF A, THE AD HOC COMMITTEES WORK, UM, WHICH CREATES INCENTIVES, WHICH CREATES, UM, MORE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW AND EASIER PATH, UM, FOR PEOPLE TO, TO HAVE CERTAIN RENOVATION TYPE PROJECTS APPROVED.
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PROCESS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.SO, I MEAN, THE CITY CONTINUES TO LOOK AT INCENTIVIZING HISTORIC PRESERVATION, NOT TRYING TO PENALIZE PEOPLE FOR, FOR OWNING HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE, UH, ALBERTANS BUILDING THE, UH, TRAYMOR ON 24TH? IS THAT, UH, SO THIS IS SOMETHING I UPDATE ONE OF YOUR FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS ON QUITE OFTEN.
I'M MEETING, I'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THE, THEY'RE IN FOR PERMITTING.
UM, I'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THEIR TEAM ON A RELATIVELY REGULAR BASIS.
UM, BUT THEIR PLAN IS TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD WITH THE RENOVATIONS.
THEY HAVE EXISTING BUILDING PERMITS.
UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT SUBMITTING REVISIONS TO THOSE PERMITS, BUT THERE'S NO IN, THERE'S NO DESIRE TO DEMOLISH ANYTHING ON THE SITE.
THE SITE IS AT ITS ALLOWABLE FAR.
SO WHETHER OR NOT THAT THAT'S HELPFUL TO PEOPLE, UM, IT PROBABLY IS WHY, WHY DEMOLISH A BUILDING IF YOU CANNOT BUILD ANY MORE SQUARE FEET THAN YOU ALREADY HAVE? UM, BUT THEY ARE, THEY'VE INVESTED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO THE PROJECT AND THEY HAVE ACTIVE BUILDING PERMITS AND ARE MOVING FORWARD.
FROM MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, IT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT BUILDING.
AND I KNOW IT'S COME BEFORE US, I THINK TWICE IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO.
THE, THE BUILDING SOUTH OF THE W SOUTH OF THE PARKING LOT WITH THE PORTIER THAT THEY WERE REPLACING.
THAT IS WITHIN THE ARCHITECTURAL DISTRICT.
SO THAT IS, HAS CONTINUES TO HAVE THE DEMOLITION.
OH, IT'S, I'M SORRY, THAT'S SOUTH OF 23RD.
I WAS THINKING IT WAS NORTH OF IT.
YOU'RE GONNA BE SEEING THEM AGAIN.
UM, AND THEY'VE JUST BEEN RUNNING INTO SOME REAL CHALLENGES DURING CONSTRUCTION AND YOU'RE KEEPING, MICHAEL, HOW ARE YOU AND MICHAEL WORKING TOGETHER IN THIS TRANSITION PERIOD? JUST SO WE KNOW WHAT HIS OFFICE
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, A LOT, MICHAEL'S OFFICE IS LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT TO MIND, BUT HE BETTER LIKE, AND SO WE HAVE BEEN IN, WE'VE BEEN KIND OF DOUBLE DUTY.
I'VE BEEN IN A LOT OF MEETINGS WITH HIM RECENTLY ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD PROJECTS.
I WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO, UH, UM, AND MICHAEL IS HELPING ME TREMENDOUSLY WITH THE PLANNING BOARD APPLICATIONS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE KNOWN MICHAEL FOR 20 YEARS.
WE'RE WORKING REALLY WELL TOGETHER.
AND I AM HERE FOR ANYTHING YOU GUYS NEED.
WELL THANK YOU FOR PHONE NUMBER STAYS THE SAME.
EVERYTHING STAYS THE SAME LOCATION.
WE WANNA SEE IF WE HAVE TO GO TO, UH, YOU CAN JUST CALL ME, EMAIL ME, OR JUST GIMME A SHOUT OUT DURING YOUR NEXT HPV MEETING AND I'LL COME DOWN