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WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE OCTOBER 15TH, 2025 FINANCE ECONOMIC RESILIENCY COMMITTEE MEETING.
UM, APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME.
MR. CFO, WILL THIS BE THE LAST, UH, MEETING UNDER THIS YES.
FORMAT? WELL, I THANK MY COLLEAGUES, UH, OUR STAFF FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
IT'S CRAZY TO SIT HERE AND SAY, WOW, WE'RE COMING TO THE END OF TWO YEARS.
UM, BUT TIME FLIES FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE.
UH, I, I THINK THE FINANCE AND THE BUDGET IS, UH, BEEN PUT FRONT AND CENTER IN A WELL DESERVED WAY MORE THAN IT'S EVER BEEN.
UH, GOING FORWARD, IF IT'S MY PLEASURE, AGAIN TO SERVE AS CHAIR OR EVEN AS A COMMITTEE MEMBER, I DO WANT TO, UH, REALLY CONTINUE OUR FOCUS ON OUR OVERALL SPENDING, NOT JUST, UH, HAVE THAT WAIT FOR BUDGET SEASON.
UM, I THINK HISTORICALLY THIS COMMITTEE HAS JUST LOOKED AT OUR NEW SPENDING ITEMS AND, UH, EVALUATED THAT.
BUT, UH, I HAVE AN ITEM WORKING ITS WAY THROUGH THAT HOPEFULLY WILL TAKE EFFECT, UH, AT THE FERC COMMITTEE, WHERE THIS WILL ESSENTIALLY ALSO BE USED AS A FORM AND A PLATFORM WHERE WE REVIEW OUR EXISTING EXPENSES.
UH, 'CAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU GET TO A BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET WHERE YOU'RE JUST EXAMINING THE NEW ITEMS. BUT WE DON'T DO ANY SANITY CHECK FOR THE ITEMS THAT HAVE ALREADY BUILT UP.
SO, I THANK MY COLLEAGUES, UH, FOR OUR TIME SERVING.
AND WHY DON'T I KICK IT OVER TO YOU, MR. CFO, AND MR. CITY ATTORNEY TO GET STARTED? SURE.
UH, TODAY'S MEETING OF THE FINANCE AND ECONOMIC RESILIENCY COMMITTEE HAS BEEN SCHEDULED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH A QUORUM OF THE COMMITTEE PHYSICALLY PRESENT AND REMAINING MEMBERS, STAFF, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM.
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YOU HAVE A, A COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS.
UH, MB 20 IS DETER, UH, DEFERRED, UH, OB 15 AND OB 16 ARE LINKED.
DEFERRED OB ONE, TWO AND THREE ARE LINKED DEFERRED, AND OB FIVE AND MB ONE ARE LINKED DEFERRED.
AND WE HAVE THREE TIMES CERTAINS, UH, 10, 10 30, UH, AM TIMES CERTAIN OB 15 AND 16, 10 45 OB 19:11 AM MB 23.
WHY DON'T WE GET A QUICK ONE, UH, JUST TO GET STARTED ON A EASY FOOT OUT OF THE WAY, UH, OB 11, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO, UH, OB 15 AND 16 OB 11.
[OB 11. DISCUSS THE PLACEMENT OF ADDITIONAL OR IMPROVED WAYFINDING THAT WOULD DIRECT GUESTS/ CUSTOMERS/ RESIDENTS FROM THE MIAMI BEACH CONVENTION CENTER TO THE LINCOLN ROAD MALL.]
UH, DISCUSS THE PLACEMENT OF ADDITIONAL OR IMPROVED WAY FINDINGS THAT COULD DIRECT GUESTS CUSTOMERS RESIDENCE FOR THE YVH CONVENTION CENTER TO LINCOLN ROAD MALL, OB 11.SO WE'VE REVIEWED THIS REQUEST.
UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT IDEAS.
WE DO HAVE EXISTING WAY FINDING SIGNS WITHIN THE CITY.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE REDO THOSE WAY FINDING SIGNS, MODERNIZE THEM.
WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO WORK WITH THE BID TO INCORPORATE A MONUMENT TYPE SIGN LIKE YOU HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.
WE DO THINK WE WILL NEED A DESIGNER FOR THAT SIGN.
A MONUMENT SIGN WILL REQUIRE STRUCTURAL DESIGN FOR BUILDING PERMITS, AND WE'LL HAVE TO IDENTIFY A LOCATION.
WE DO BELIEVE BETWEEN THE CONVENTION CENTER AND THE NEW HOTEL IN THAT AREA MIGHT BE THE IDEAL LOCATION FOR PEOPLE LEAVING THE CONVENTION CENTER TO GET TO LINCOLN ROAD.
IN ADDITION, WE RECOMMEND UTILIZING SIDEWALKS TO PUT PAVEMENT MARKINGS TO DIRECT PEOPLE TO LINCOLN ROAD.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS, UH, JOHN WASN'T, YES, UH, WE DO NEED TO BRING AWARENESS TO LINCOLN ROAD, BUT IT WAS ALSO TRYING TO INCORPORATE SOME SORT OF ART, UH, HAVE IT MORE OF A FESTIVE ATMOSPHERE.
SAY, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED SIDEWALK MARKINGS TO SAY LINCOLN ROAD IS THAT WAY? PROBABLY NOT.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WE COULD HAVE SOME SORT OF ICONIC, UH, ART PIECE SLASH WAYFINDER WHEN I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST CONVERSATIONS WE HAD.
UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MY DIRECTION WASN'T CLEAR AT THE TIME, AND I APPRECIATE MODIFYING IT, WHERE IT'S JUST LIKE, OKAY, WE HAVE THESE BLUE WAYFINDER SIGNS
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MM-HMMI WANT SOMETHING WHERE WHEN YOU WALK OUT OF THE CONVENTION CENTER, YOU GO, WOW, I'M NOT IN DETROIT ANYMORE.
CHICAGO, WHEREVER I CAME FROM.
UH, THIS AREA, UH, IN A FEW YEARS WILL, UH, COMMAND THAT, RIGHT? WE'RE DEVELOPING THE CONVENTION CENTER HOTEL.
WE HAVE A P THREE ON THE LINCOLN ROAD ROOFTOP THAT'S HAPPENING.
UM, I, I JUST WANT TO THIS AREA TO TRULY BE WORLD CLASS.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, GREAT KIND OF, UH, WAY FINDING ART SIGN, UH, HELPS THAT.
DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF DESIGN IDEAS OR THOUGHTS? I'M SORRY TO, UM, JUMP IN HERE, BUT, UM, LIZETTE, COULD YOU COME UP PLEASE? BECAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY A PARALLEL INITIATIVE THAT HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR LAST YEAR AND A HALF, UM, THAT IS VERY ALIGNED WITH THIS.
THAT IS A, AN ARTISTIC WAY FINDING, UM, DEVICE TOOL, PIECE OF INSTALLATION, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, TO DO THAT VERY SAME THING.
UM, AND I, I, LIZETTE, COULD YOU JUST UPDATE US ON WHERE THAT IS? BECAUSE I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY LINK THESE ITEMS SO THAT WE'RE NOT DUPLICATING EFFORTS.
UH, COMMISSIONER BOIS
I DID SHARE THAT WITH MY COLLEAGUES IN PUBLIC WORKS.
WE WORKED WITH MOONLIGHT FAB LAB.
THEY GAVE US TWO PROPOSALS, AND THERE WAS A COST ATTACHED TO THAT.
WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU AND GET YOUR THOUGHTS.
AND YOU LIKE THE, WHAT THEY PROPOSED AS FAR AS AN ARTISTIC WAY FINDING.
AND, YOU KNOW, UH, AS WE BECOME EVEN MORE BUDGET CONSCIOUS, UH, PERHAPS THAT'S A GREAT THING.
IF THERE IS A COST IN THE, UH, LET'S CALL IT FIVE FIGURE RANGE, I, I WOULD ASSUME, UH, THAT WE COULD GET SOME SORT OF SPONSORSHIP FOR THAT.
YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE AN ARTISTIC WAY FINDING SIGN, IT COULD BE BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE LINCOLN ROAD BID OR BY, UM, UH, NIKE, UH, WHOEVER.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE PREPARED TO SHARE WITH US TODAY? OR DO YOU WANNA FOLLOW UP, UH, WITH THAT OFFLINE? WE CAN FOLLOW UP OFFLINE WITH YOUR OFFICER.
BUT, SO HOW DO WE LINK THESE SO THAT WE'RE NOT PURSUING THESE IN PARALLEL AND DISCORDANT PATHS? SO, 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A WASTE OF EVERYONE'S TIME TO BE DOING IT IN MULTIPLE WAYS.
THERE, THERE'S SOME SIMILARITIES, BUT THERE ARE ALSO SOME DIFFERENCES.
WE'RE TALKING MORE ABOUT A MONUMENT SIGN AND I WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN, IT'S, WELL, WE CAN DO IS WE CAN COME BACK NEXT MONTH AND WE CAN ADDRESS THAT IN THE MEMO THAT WILL WE WRITE TO YOU AND WE'LL SHARE, WE'LL SCHEDULE SOME TIME, BOTH OF YOUR OFFICES.
I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO SEMANTICS.
'CAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY MEAN.
LIKE MONUMENT VERSUS ARTISTIC.
I JUST WANT SOMETHING REALLY COOL.
THAT'S LIKE, WOW, THAT'S MIAMI BEACH AND THIS IS THE HEART OF OUR DOWNTOWN AREA.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO LABEL THAT.
AND THANK YOU ALSO FOR YOUR SERVICE ON FINANCE.
I'M A CANDIDATE FOR COMMISSION GROUP NUMBER ONE.
AND ACTUALLY, UH, AS OF YESTERDAY, MY CHANCES HAVE SUDDENLY GOTTEN EVEN BETTER.
AND I HAD A CONVERSATION THIS MORNING WITH SOME OF THE HIGHER UPS, HOPING THAT I'LL BE, UH, THE NEXT VICE CHAIRMAN OF THIS COMMITTEE IF THE VOTERS SAY YES.
BUT BACK TO TODAY, AS FAR AS THE SIGNAGE OF LINCOLN ROAD, AS I'VE KNOCKED ON DOORS, PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE CONVENTION CENTER.
AND SO I'D LIKE YOU TO ALSO INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE AUTO SHOW WAS HAPPENING AND NOBODY KNEW MM-HMM
AND SO WE NEED MORE KIND OF CROSS MARKETING.
AND I KNOW TANYA'S GOT THAT BACKGROUND AS WELL.
SO LOOKING FORWARD TO WHAT YOU ALL PUT TOGETHER.
AND, UH, AS WE GET BETTER EVENTS BECAUSE OF THE CONVENTION CENTER, OUR HOTEL, UH, WE CERTAINLY DO HAVE A LOT THAT, UM, I THINK ARE UNTAPPED RESOURCES FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS OUR BASEL, BUT WE'VE REALLY GOTTEN SOME COMMUNITY FOCUSED EVENTS OVER THERE.
UH, MR. CFO, WE'RE GONNA HEAR THIS NEXT MONTH.
SO WE'LL SHOW THE ITEM WAS DISCUSSED AND FOR, UH, TO RETURN WITH A MORE DETAILED PLAN.
UM, LET'S MOVE ON TO OB 15 AND 16.
I DO WANT TO JUST LAY SOME GROUNDWORK AND PARAMETERS HERE.
I DON'T WANT TO PROLONG THIS, UH, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO, UH, NASTY BACK AND FORTH.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO DOMINATE THE ENTIRETY OF OUR FERC MEETING.
WE HAVE HEARD THIS, UH, AT LENGTH FOR SEVERAL MEETINGS IN THE PAST.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE THINGS WHERE WE'RE MOVING THIS FORWARD, UM, AS OPPOSED TO REALLY REHASHING EVERYTHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID.
BECAUSE I DO WANT SOME BREVITY IN THIS, RIGHT? I, I DON'T WANT IT TO GET IN THIS NASTY THING BACK AND FORTH.
I, I CAN'T CONTROL THAT, BUT I CAN'T CONTROL HOW MUCH TIME WE ALLOT TO THIS.
SO TO THE EXTENT WHERE PEOPLE THINK THEY'RE GONNA GO THROUGH LONG PRESENTATIONS, I JUST SEE THAT I'M NOT CALLING YOU OUT.
BUT I'M SAYING WE'RE NOT GONNA
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GO THROUGH VERY LONG PRESENTATIONS.UM, SAY YOUR PIECE AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
I'D LIKE TO WRAP THIS UP IN 10 MINUTES IF WE CAN.
[OB 15. A DISCUSSION TO CONSIDER A PROPOSED NEW MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH AND THE MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE, INC. (“MDPL”), FOR THE USE OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1001 OCEAN DRIVE (THE “PREMISES”) FOR A TERM OF THREE (3) YEARS, WITH ONE MUTUAL RENEWAL OPTION OF THREE (3) YEARS; AND FURTHER, TO: 1) APPROVE A SIX (6) MONTH EXTENSION OF THE CURRENT AGREEMENT WITH MDPL; AND 2) DIRECT STAFF TO NEGOTIATE A NEW MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH MDPL FOR CONTINUED PROGRAMMING AND OPERATION OF THE MIAMI BEACH OCEAN FRONT AUDITORIUM; WAIVING, BY A 5/7THS VOTE, THE COMPETITIVE BIDDING REQUIREMENTS AS SET FORTH IN SECTION 82-39 OF THE MIAMI BEACH CITY CODE, FINDING SUCH WAIVER TO BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY; OR, IF IT’s IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, TO ISSUE A FORMAL REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS (“RFP”).]
[OB 16. DISCUSS CONFLICT OF INTEREST /ETHICAL CONCERNS RE: MDPL'S MULTIPLE ROLES]
CALL THE ITEM, UH, OB 15, A DISCUSSION TO CONSIDER PROPOSED NEW MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH AND THE MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE, INCORPORATED, MDPL FOR THE USE OF PROPERTY LOCATED ONE, UH, 1001 OCEAN DRIVE THE PREMISES FOR A TERM OF THREE YEARS WITH ONE MUTUAL RENEWAL OPTION OF UP TO THREE YEARS.AND FURTHER TO APPROVE A SIX MONTH EXTENSION OF THE CURRENT AGREEMENT WITH MDPL AND THE DIRECT STAFF TO NEGOTIATE A NEW MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH MDPL FOR CONTINUED PROGRAMMING AND OPERATION OF THE MIAMI BEACH OCEAN FRONT AUDITORIUM WAIVING BY FIVE SEVENTH VOTE.
THE COMPETITIVE BIDING REQUIREMENTS IS SET FORTH IN SECTION 82 DASH 39 OF THE MIAMI BEACH CITY CODE, FINDING SUCH WAIVER TO BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, OR IF IN THE, IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, TO ISSUE A FORMAL REQUEST.
PROPOSALS OB 15, WHICH WE HEARD SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH OB 16.
DISCUSS CONFLICT OF INTEREST, ETHICAL CONCERNS, RE MD P'S MULTIPLE RULES OB 15, OB 16 OZZIE.
THIS TURNED IT DUE TO A FOCUS FIRST ON OB 15.
WHERE ARE WE AT? ARE WE DOING A SIX MONTH EXTENSION WHILE WE KIND OF DRILL DOWN ON SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS? YES.
OZZY DOMINGUEZ, DIVISION DIRECTOR OF ASSET MANAGEMENT.
AT THE LAST FERC MEETING, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON THIS AND FERC RECOMMENDED A, UH, SUPPORTED A SIX MONTH EXTENSION OF THE CURRENT AGREEMENT TO ALLOW US TIME TO, UH, DISCUSS WITH, UH, STAFF TODAY IF THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO PROCEED WITH A, UH, AN RFP PROCESS THROUGH PROCUREMENT, OR IF TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH A RENEWAL OF THE CURRENT AGREEMENT.
EITHER WAY, SINCE THEIR CURRENT AGREEMENT EXPIRES IN DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR, WE NEED THAT EXTENSION SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ELAPSE IN THE AGREEMENT.
SO WE HAVE THAT EXTENSION IN PLACE, YOU DON'T NEED ANYTHING FURTHER.
SO WE DO HAVE A BIT OF BREATHING ROOM AS WE DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THAT SPACE.
ARE THOSE TWO THINGS POSSIBLE TO DO SIMULTANEOUSLY? YES.
WOULD THERE BE ANYBODY HERE THAT WOULD OBJECT TO THAT? I MEAN, THAT SEEMS LIKE THE, UH, THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD, RIGHT? SO WE KEEP ALL OPTIONS ON THE TABLE.
HOW DO MY COLLEAGUES FEEL ABOUT THAT? SIX MONTHS? WELL, NOT ONLY SIX MONTHS, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN PLACE.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY HAVING STAFF NEGOTIATE WITH MDPL AND THEN ALSO LOOK AT WHAT A BROADER RFP WOULD BE.
UH, SO WE'RE NOT TYING OUR HANDS.
IF WE COME IN AND SOMEBODY GOES, WELL, THIS IS ALSO A COMMUNITY MINDED, UH, UH, ENDEAVOR, AND HERE'S A $5 MILLION RENT, WE SHOULD AT LEAST KNOW THAT THAT OPTION'S ON THE TABLE NOT SETTING THE EXPECTATION FOR THAT.
BUT YEAH, I'D LIKE TO CLEAR UP AND I'LL, AND I'LL ASK, UH, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, I, IF WE ARE IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH MDPL TO SEE WHAT THE PROPOSAL WOULD, WOULD END UP WITH THAT.
UM, AND WE ENTER INTO AN RFP, THEN THAT WOULD THEN EXCLUDE THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE RFP PROCESS.
I THINK IF THE, THE DIRECTION IS, UH, TO DO AN RFP, IT WOULD BE CLEANER TO SIMPLY DO AN RFP AND FOR MDPL TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROCESS.
IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING TO HAVE A PREFERRED VENDOR, IF YOU WILL, AND THEN AN RFP FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
SO I, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I, UM, DON'T THINK THIS IS A PUBLIC SPACE LIKE ANY OTHER POTENTIAL PUBLIC SPACE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE THE FIGURES IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I KNOW, UM, I JUST LEARNED THAT IN THE SUMMER MONTHS, THESE PAST SUMMER MONTHS, WHEN THE REST OF, UM, OCEAN DRIVE AND THE ART DECO DISTRICT AND, AND OR RESTAURANTS WERE SUFFERING THAT THE ART DECO MUSEUM ACTUALLY HAD NUMBERS THAT WENT UP.
AND SO WE ARE TRYING TO, UM, ILLUMINATE TO THE STATE AND TO THE WORLD AT LARGE THAT ART DECO IS NOT TO BE TOUCHED.
THAT, UM, IT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A SIGNIFICANT PART OF OUR BRAND.
PART OF THAT MISSION IS, IS EDUCATING PEOPLE ABOUT IT.
UM, WE USE THAT SPACE AS A CITY FOR, IT'S A GOVERNMENT OWNED SPACE.
SO WE USE THAT SPACE FOR, UM, COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
WE HAD A MICRO MOBILITY TOWN HALL THERE.
UM, ART DECO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION USES THERE.
IT WILL BE ONCE THE, THE, UM, UM, THE NEW, UM, EXTENSION IS BUILT.
IT WILL BE A REVENUE GENERATING, UM, SPACE THAT CAN BE RENTED OUT.
WE HAVE A HUNDRED YEARS OF ART DECO GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
UM, NOT JUST IN THE GALLERY OUTSIDE, BUT THIS PAST WEEKEND WE HAD, UM, FROM MUMBAI TO MIAMI, WHICH IS A HUNDRED YEARS OF ART DECO IN THOSE TWO WILDLY DISPARATE, YET ANALOGOUS CITIES.
AND TO TREAT THIS AS JUST ANOTHER SPACE THAT CAN BE USED DOES A DISSERVICE TO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO PROTECT AND BUILD UPON FOR OUR CITY IN THE GREATER SCHEME OF THINGS.
SO I'M A LITTLE BIT LEERY ABOUT HAVING AN OPEN RFP BECAUSE, YOU
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KNOW, SURE, SOMEBODY CAN SAY IT'S A GREAT SPACE, WE'D LIKE TO, UM, DO SOMETHING AND WE'LL PAY YOU $10 MILLION A YEAR THERE.BUT THEN WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH, WITH ART DECO? WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH OUR CULTURAL HISTORY? WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH CHARACTER OF PLACE? SO I'M VERY OKAY WITH GIVING SIX MONTHS TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS.
I WOULD SUGGEST PERHAPS A, UH, A MORE, UM, MEASURED WAY TO PROCEED IS THAT IF AFTER THOSE SIX MONTHS, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN, THERE IS NOT A MEETING OF THE MINDS, THEN PERHAPS WE CAN ENTERTAIN OPENING IT UP TO AN RFP.
BUT I, I, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE IS THERE GONNA BE ANOTHER MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE ORGANIZATION THAT'S GONNA COME IN AND TAKE THAT SPACE? THERE ISN'T.
I MEAN, IF MIAMI HERITAGE TRUST CAME, DATA, HERITAGE TRUST CAME AND SAID, WE WANNA MOVE OUR OPERATIONS FROM WHEREVER THEY ARE, NOT ON MIAMI BEACH TO HERE IN MIAMI BEACH, AND THEY ARE ONE OF THE, THE BIDDERS.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR EITHER.
SO, I, I DON'T SEE HOW AN RFP AT THIS POINT IS SOMETHING THAT IS DESIRED OR USEFUL.
WELL, COMMISSIONER SCHWARZ, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I REALLY LIKE MDPL TO COME UP HERE AND, AND KIND OF GO OVER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IN A, IN A SECOND WRITER.
UM, BUT I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH DOING AN RFPI, I THINK IF MDPL OR HERITAGE TRUST COMES IN AND SAYS, HEY, THIS IS THE BEST USE OF OUR, UH, OF YOU, YOUR FACILITY FOR YOUR CITY, ALONG WITH ANY OTHER, UH, BIDDER, UH, I LIKE HAVING OPTIONS.
AND I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO PIGEONHOLE US INTO ONE PARTICULAR VENDOR, UM, UH, FOR A SPACE.
SO I, I, I LIKE TO HAVE OPTIONS.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE, AS A COMMISSION IS GONNA DECIDE THAT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE THE ATTORNEY SAID, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE, WE DON'T WANNA SIGNAL TO THE BIDDERS THAT WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHO WE WANT.
WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE THE BEST CASE COME FORWARD.
UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED AT THE, AT, AT THE NIKKI BEACH, YOU KNOW, AT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE, THE COMMISSION BEFORE ANY OF US GOT ELECTED, AND THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WANT THE BOUCHER BROTHERS TO OPERATE IT.
BUT WE HAD WORLD CLASS, UM, INTEREST EVEN FROM, YOU KNOW, RESTORATION HARDWARE.
UM, AND THAT REALLY, AND, AND TO A CERTAIN EXTENT THAT REALLY LEVELED UP THE PLAYING FIELD, UM, FOR, FOR WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS PROPOSED.
SO I, UH, I, I'M OKAY WITH, UH, UH, AN OPEN RFP AND MR. CITY ATTORNEY.
UH, IS THE COMMISSION INSTRUMENTAL IN DEFINING THE PARAMETERS FOR AN RFP? AND WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS TO COMMISSIONER BOT'S, UH, POINT MAYBE THAT SPACE, WE DON'T SAY, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET AS MUCH MONEY IN THERE AS POSSIBLE.
MAYBE WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO US IS HAVING SOME SORT OF, UM, GENUFLECTION TO ART DECO BECAUSE IT'S IN THE HEART OF OUR ART DECO CULTURAL DISTRICT.
SO IF THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE COMMISSION AS A BODY DEEM ARE IMPORTANT FOR THAT SPACE, ARE WE ESSENTIALLY ABLE TO, UH, CRAFT OR HELP FINE TUNE WHAT THE PARAMETERS WE'D BE LOOKING FOR IN AN RFP ARE? ABSOLUTELY.
THE COMMISSION CAN PROVIDE DIRECTION TO, UH, THE PROCUREMENT DIRECTOR AND HER STAFF WELL THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATION.
UM, AS TO SPECIFIC PARAMETERS, WHAT THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES ARE FOR THE ULTIMATE, UM, MANAGER OR CONCESSIONAIRE.
YOU KNOW, THE, AN RFP COULD TAKE ON A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT FORMS. THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN OPERATED PURSUANT TO A MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT SOMETHING ELSE, UH, MAY NOT COME UP THAT IS MORE DESIRABLE OR FAVORABLE, BUT YOU ALL CAN ABSOLUTELY GIVE DIRECTION AS TO WHAT YOU WANT, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, AND YOU CAN GIVE BROAD OR YOU CAN BE VERY SPECIFIC.
AND PERHAPS THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU AND, AND FOR OZZY, WHAT IS THE NORM THAT WE DO FOR OTHER CITY ASSETS? RIGHT.
AND TO COMMISSIONER BOS POINT, THIS ISN'T JUST ANOTHER CITY ASSET.
UH, THIS IS A GREAT STAKEHOLDER THAT WE'VE HAD THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE INTEGRAL TO OUR CITY, BUT IT'S ALSO PROBABLY ONE OF OUR MOST VALUABLE ASSETS, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S, UH, IN THE HEART OF LOOMIS PARK.
UM, WHAT DO WE DO FOR OTHER INSTANCES WHERE WE HAVE, UH, AN EXISTING CITY ASSET WITH AN EXISTING VENDOR? DO WE TYPICALLY JUST ROLL THOSE LEASES AT THE END OF A LEASE TERM? UM, DO WE OPEN UP AN RFP? WHAT DO WE DO? IT VARIES FROM ASSET TO ASSET.
UH, IF IT'S A RETAIL VENDOR VERSUS A, A NONPROFIT OR A SERVICE THAT THE CITY REALLY NEEDS, UM, WE WILL, WE WILL PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION OF EITHER GOING TO RFP OR OPENING IT UP FOR BROKER SERVICES OR TO RENEW THE EXISTING AGREEMENT.
SO IT CAN VARY DEPENDING ON, ON THE CURRENT USE.
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ASSET.UM, AND AS COMMISSIONER BOT WAS MENTIONING, THEY DO PROVIDE A VERY, UM, UNIQUE SERVICE, UH, CATERED TO THE ART DECO HISTORY OF THE CITY.
UH, I AM NOT VERSED IN ANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT, THAT PROVIDE THAT, BUT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT IF THERE IS AN RFP, UM, AND MDPL WILL BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT AS WELL.
WHAT ARE THE VERY HIGH LEVEL, UM, LEASE TERMS, UH, VERY SIMPLISTICALLY, WHAT DO WE GET PER RENT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS THERE RIGHT NOW? UM, ON MDPL, WE GET, UH, UTILITY REIMBURSEMENTS.
UH, THERE'S NOT A, A, A BA, LIKE A TRIPLE NET.
F, P AND L AND WATER AND SEWER.
BUT WE DON'T GET ANY TYPE OF RENT.
WHAT WOULD YOU, I THINK IT'S A DOLLAR A YEAR.
WHAT WOULD YOU ASSIGN THE MARKET VALUE THERE? UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A COUPLE OF, UH, POINTS TO THINK ABOUT.
THIS CURRENT LOCATION IN ITS CURRENT STATE, IT DOESN'T HAVE A PARKING LOT.
UM, SO IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO REALLY ATTRACT, UM, LIKE A HIGH-END RESTAURANT.
BUT IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO DO THIS FOR A HIGH-END RESTAURANT, UH, ANYWHERE BETWEEN 75 AND A HUNDRED DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT TRIPLE NET, SO THE BASE RENT PLUS ANY OPERATING EXPENSES.
SO TELL ME WHAT THAT EQUATES TO ON A YEARLY BASIS.
UH, PROBABLY OVER A MILLION, $2 MILLION IN, IN RENT.
SO, UM, THERE, UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS HERE.
UM, HOLD ON COMMISSIONER RATHER, THEN I'LL GIVE YOU, EXCUSE ME.
THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS HERE.
UM, IS MARIA, MARIA HERNANDEZ, COULD I ASK YOU A QUESTION? I KNOW THAT THE MOST RECENT GEO BOND, UM, THERE WAS AN EXTENSION OR THERE WAS AN ITEM THAT TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, THE BUILD FOR ART DECO MUSEUM.
I ALSO WANT TO ASK, UM, HAS ANYTHING EVER BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE, THE FUNCTION, THE SERVICES PROVIDED BY, UM, THE HAVING THE ART DECO MUSEUM IN THE HEART OF OUR ART DECO DISTRICT? I MEAN, LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT IT FOR A SECOND.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS COMMON SENSE.
I UNDERSTAND THE, THE APPEAL OF A MILLION DOLLARS RENT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UM, I ALSO THINK THAT IF YOU HAVE A HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT ART DECO DISTRICT AND YOUR MUSEUM THAT RELATES TO IT IS IN, I DON'T KNOW, ON 41ST STREET, YOU COMPLETELY UNDERCUT THE VALUE MM-HMM
OF HAVING THE, UM, THE MUSEUM THERE, YOU IN EFFECT, KNEECAP THE EDUCATION.
UM, YOU SIGNAL TO THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING WITH PREDATORY EYES THAT WE DON'T ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT OUR, UM, ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY.
AND WE ARE DOING THINGS TO, UM, TO ACTIVELY DEMONSTRATE AND UNDERCUT THAT.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, IF WE AS A COMMISSION DON'T PROTECT OUR CHARACTER OF PLACE, UM, WHO WILL.
AND SO, UM, I I, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE GEO BOND ITEM, AND THEN I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU BOTH ABOUT, UM, IF THIS HAPPENS, IF THERE'S AN RFP NOW FOR THIS CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
ARE WE ALSO GOING TO BE SETTING OUT RFPS FOR, UM, THE BASS MUSEUM? ARE WE ALSO GOING TO BE SENDING OUT, UM, RFPS FOR THE COLONY THEATER FOR THE, UM, WOLFSONIAN, UH, THAT ONE, MAYBE.
BUT, UM, FOR NEW WORLD SYMPHONY FOR, UM, THE, THE JEWISH HISTORY MUSEUM MM-HMM
I MEAN, WHERE DO WE STOP? WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE? WE EITHER, AS A CITY VALUE OUR ARTS AND CULTURE AND HISTORIC INSTITUTIONS THAT EDUCATE OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR VISITORS ABOUT WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE ARE, AND WHO GENERATE REVENUE BY, BY CAUSING OFFERING SOMETHING TO PEOPLE TO COME AND ENJOY, WHICH LEND THEMSELVES TO EDUCATING STUDENTS IN WAYS THAT JUST PURE READING, WRITING, AND ARITHMETIC.
SO WHICH IS IT GONNA BE? UM, SO THERE ARE TWO GEO BONDS FOR, IF I RECALL, FOR, UM, THE MDPL BUILDING.
AND WE HAVE ONE IN THE 2022 BOND IN THE 2018 BOND.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IS T TS COME HERE? TS YOU KNOW, SHE'S THE GEO BOND DIRECTOR AND SHE'S GONNA HAVE MORE, UH, OF THE DETAILS.
'CAUSE I'M JUST GOING OFF MY MEMORY.
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BOND WAS ABOUT RENOVATING THE SPACE AND CREATING A DIFFERENT AREA AND EXPANDING THE FOOTPRINT.WHAT I DON'T REMEMBER IS WHAT THE 2022 BOND SAID.
UM, I THINK THAT WAS FOR MORE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, THE 2022 BOND WAS A SUPPLEMENTATION, IT WAS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THAT ORIGINAL GEO BOND PROJECT THAT WAS ALLOCATED IN 2018 BOND.
'CAUSE IT WASN'T ENOUGH FUNDS.
AND SO THE, THE ORIGINAL PROJECT THAT WAS SUPPLEMENTED IN THE SECOND GEO BOND IS TO DO A ROOFTOP ACCESS, UM, TO MAKE IT A MORE, UM, BENEFICIAL, UH, OR A MORE, UM, UPDATED VENUE SO THAT THERE COULD BE REVENUE DRIVEN AND SUPPLEMENT AND ALL THESE THINGS.
UM, AND JUST AS A REMINDER, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THOSE TWO GEO BONDS IN 2018 AND IN 22 PASSED IN OVERWHELMING MAJORITIES.
IT WASN'T LIKE IT WAS A CLOSE VOTE, IT WAS 75% OR MORE.
SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE VOTERS SAID, YEAH, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT IFFY ABOUT THIS.
UM, AS I RECALL FROM THE GEO BOND IN 2018, THERE WERE CHARETTES AND THERE WERE, UM, RESIDENT INPUT AND PEOPLE PUT LITTLE DOTS ON THINGS THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE AND, AND SORT OF POO-POOED THINGS THAT THEY DIDN'T WANNA SEE.
AND SO WHAT ACTUALLY ENDED UP GETTING PUT INTO THE GEO BONDS WERE THOSE PROJECTS THAT THE, THE VOTERS WANTED TO SEE EFFECTUATED.
AND THEN THE VOTERS CAME OUT AND SAID, IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS, WE WANT TO GENERATE THESE PROJECTS BY ALLOWING THE CITY TO TAX US AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S THAT IMPORTANT.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, THAT WE ARE POTENTIALLY TALKING ABOUT, ONCE AGAIN, SUBVERTING THE WILL OF RESIDENTS WHO HAVE VOTED ON SOMETHING, WHICH I FIND VERY, VERY TROUBLING.
IT'S A PATTERN THAT I'VE SEEN UP HERE.
NOBODY IS SUBDUING THE WILL OF VOTERS.
SO SAID, BECAUSE VOTERS, YOU SAID IT BECAUSE 9 MILLION A YEAR, I'M, I'M SORRY.
YOU'RE EITHER RECOGNIZING YOU'RE NOT.
YES, YOU'RE RUNNING FOR COMMISSION AND YOU USE THIS AS A CAMPAIGN, BUT THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO SIT HERE AND SHERP IN FROM THE AUDIENCE.
I'M SO, YOU HAVE NO MORE RIGHTS.
YOU HAVE NO MORE RIGHTS THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
IF YOU WANNA BE HEARD, STAND TO THE PODIUM AS FAR AS YOU HAVE NOT TOLD ME ANY MEETING THAT COME TO THE PODIUM OR NOT, I'LL, OKAY.
AND I'M SORRY, I'M, I'M SORRY.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU THINK YOU HAVE SOME SPECIAL RIGHT.
TO SIT HERE AND YELL FROM THE AUDIENCE.
NOBODY'S RECOGNIZING YOU WE'RE SITTING UP HERE HAVING A DISCUSSION.
SO WE'RE SITTING HERE HAVING A DISCUSSION.
I HAVE NEVER ONCE, NEVER ONCE IN TWO YEARS NOT TAKEN PUBLIC COMMENT.
OH, ARE YOU OKAY? ARE YOU OKAY? COULD I TALK? NO, NO, ACTUALLY.
I'VE NEVER ONCE PROHIBITED PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO FOR YOU TO TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AS PEOPLE ARE DISCUSSING HERE, CHIRPING IN FROM THE AUDIENCE SAYING WHAT WE'RE DOING, RIGHT? GUESS WHAT? IN TWO WEEKS, THE VOTERS ARE GONNA GET TO SAY WHETHER YOU GET TO COME UP HERE AND CARRY ON THESE ANTICS OR NOT.
SO I WILL ALLOW EVERY SINGLE PERSON TO BE RECOGNIZED, DO SO IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER.
AS WE'RE SITTING UP HERE TALKING, YOU DON'T YELL IN FROM OUT IN THE AUDIENCE.
YOUR VIEW, YOUR OPINION DOESN'T MATTER MORE THAN EVERY SINGLE OTHER PERSON SITTING HERE.
AND THIS HAPPENS TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
SO IF YOU CAN GIVE A MOMENT, MR. MR. CHAIR TO DISCUSS HERE.
MR. CAN, CAN YOU PLEASE SIT DOWN? I HAVE.
BECAUSE THIS ISN'T WHERE THE DISCUSSION RUNNING.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I'LL SEE YOU LATER.
UM, UH, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
UM, I, I THINK WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER BOT, NO ONE'S SUBVERTING THE WILL OF THE VOTERS.
UM, TIMES HAVE CHANGED SINCE 2018.
AND, AND WE'RE, WE, OUR PRIORITIES NOW ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE PRIORITIES WE HAD THEN.
NOT WITHSTANDING SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD WITH MDPL, WE'VE HAD ZERO ISSUES WITH THE BASS.
WE'VE HAD ZERO ISSUES WITH THE COLONY THEATER, BUT WE HAVE A SERIOUS ETHICAL PROBLEM WITH MDPL AND HOW THEY WERE TAKING FUNDS FROM DEVELOPERS IN SUPPORT OF CERTAIN PROJECTS.
SO IT'S REALLY EASY TO SAY, WELL, LOOK, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A GREAT ORGANIZATION AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DO TOURS.
BUT IN REALITY, WHAT I'VE, THE WHOLE REASON WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IS BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN A NUMBER
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OF INSTANCES WHERE LOBBYING ACTIVITIES, MONEY BEING EXCHANGED, SUPPORTS CERTAIN PROJECTS.I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE REWARDING BAD BEHAVIOR IN THE SLIGHTEST.
THEY MDPL AND MY OPINION SHOULD NOT HAVE THAT SPACE MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
AND, AND I HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE RESIGNING FROM MDPL TELLING ME, AND I HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF QUESTIONS FOR THEM TELLING ME THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR ACT TOGETHER.
AND I'M, AND I'M, AND I'D LIKE TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS, I AM MORE THAN OKAY WITH HAVING A SIX MONTH EXTENSION UNTIL WE FIND OUT, BUT IT CERTAINLY SEEMS THAT YOU'RE VERY PARTIAL TO THIS ORGANIZATION FOR WHATEVER REASON.
AND I'M NOT, AND WE'RE BOTH ELECTED OFFICIALS.
WE'RE BOTH ELECTED BY THE SAME PEOPLE.
I HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT THAN YOU AND SO DOES, UH, COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE.
SO, UH, I, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I WOULD LIKE MR. CHAIR, IF YOU CAN CALL THE, THE, THE, THE HEAD OF MDPL AND REALLY EXPLAIN TO US WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS AS FAR AS LOBBYING ACTIVITIES, MISSION STATEMENTS, AND, AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT, THAT WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME.
AND, AND ROGER, WHILE YOU'RE COMING UP, AND, AND I'LL GO IN THERE, AND I'M NOT OF THE VIEW THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BE IN THERE.
I, I THINK YOU'RE A WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION.
I DO THINK THAT IT'S ALWAYS WISE TO TALK THESE THINGS THROUGH.
RIGHT? UM, I GET A BIG COLD FEET.
IT, IT COULD BE THE LITTLE SISTERS OF THE POOR GOING IN THERE.
I'D STILL SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, A MILLION DOLLARS.
I'M NOT SAYING NO, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE.
AND PERHAPS THE PARAMETERS OF THE RFP ARE REALLY FINE TUNED TO SAY WHAT WE WOULD WANT IN THERE.
AND THAT IS AN HONOR TO ART DECO.
AND THAT IS A COMMUNAL PLACE, AND WE JUST TOTALLY FOREGO REVENUE.
OR MAYBE WE SIT THERE AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE CAN HAVE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT AND WE CAN HAVE A COMMUNITY PARTNER SUCH AS MDPL, BUT THE FINANCIAL TERMS HAVE TO LOOK A BIT BETTER FOR US.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE THESE OPTIONS GO.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SEVEN OF US THAT ARE ELECTED.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD ALL, FOR A CITY ASSET THIS CRITICAL, AT LEAST HAVE A SAY OF WHAT THAT IS.
AND, AND A MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION.
UH, SO THIS WOULD HAVE TO GET RECOMMENDED TO THE FULL COMMISSION TO ENGAGE IN THESE TALKS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
SO WHAT, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THIS CONVERSATION GOES, I, I ALMOST WANNA BIFURCATE THE TWO.
I DO THINK THAT THIS SHOULD MOVE TO THE FULL COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LEASE.
LET'S LOCK IN THE SIX MONTH EXTENSION SO WE'RE NOT CONSTRAINED, YOU KNOW, BY ANYTHING, UH, BY TIMING.
AND PUT US BACK UP AGAINST THE WALL AND THEN MOVE THIS TO THE FULL COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION.
I DON'T WANT THIS ON CONSENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, WHERE WE SAY, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO FOR THE RENEGOTIATION OF THIS LEASE? IS IT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A NO BID AND STICK WITH THE CURRENT VENDOR AND WE'LL HAVE OUR FACILITIES TEAM GO OUT AND, UH, NEGOTIATE WITH THAT SOLE ORGANIZATION? OR DO WE OPEN IT UP TO AN RFP AND THEN WE ALL ESSENTIALLY HAVE A SAY OVER WHAT THOSE TERMS ARE.
MAYBE ONE PERSON WANTS TO SEE AS MUCH REVENUE AS WE CAN GET IN THERE BECAUSE WE NEED TO FIX OUR RESILIENCY AND FLOODING IN OTHER AREAS.
OR MAYBE SOME OTHER COLLEAGUES WANT TO SAY, HELP WITH REVENUE.
WE WANT OUR BEST COMMUNITY PARTNER THAT FOCUSES ON, UH, ART DECO AND PRESERVATION IN THERE.
I THINK THOSE ARE ROBUST DISCUSSIONS THAT THE ENTIRE COMMISSION'S GOING TO WANT TO HAVE.
SO MY THOUGHT IS, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA PROBABLY REHASH THIS WHEN IT GOES TO COMMISSION.
SO WHAT I'LL DO, I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UM, THAT WE ACTUALLY JUST REFER AN OPEN-ENDED CONVERSATION TO THE FULL COMMISSION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE RENEWAL OF THIS LEASE.
AND THEN WE'LL BIFURCATE THAT AND, AND GET TO, UH, THE OTHER MDPL ITEMS. THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE AMENABLE TO.
I, I WOULD SUGGEST SOMEBODY ELSE SHOULD MAKE THE MOTION, MR. CHAIR.
SO IF I, IF I CORRECT, I THINK THE MOTION IS THEN TO REFER THE ITEM BACK TO COMMISSION WITH NO RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE'LL LIST THE RETURN TO COMMISSION WITH A NO RECOMMENDATION FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
FOR AN R FOR AN OPEN RFP? NO, NO.
THE ITEM, THE ITEM HAS EITHER OR IN THE ITEM ARE ON THE TABLE YEAH.
IT'LL BE PROBABLY A DISCUSSION.
DISCUSS DISCUSSION, TAKE ACTION WITH THE FULL COMMISSION.
AND THEN LET'S HAVE MDPL UP FOR THIS DISCUSSION HERE.
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IF, IF YOU WANT, DO YOU WANNA CLOSE THAT MOTION OUT? UH, IF SO, WE NEED A SEC.AND, AND BE CLEAR, UH, JUST AS WE'RE BIFURCATING THESE, ROGER, PLEASE COME UP JUST AS WE'RE BIFURCATING THESE TWO DISCUSSION ITEMS, THE ACTIONS, UH, AND BEHAVIOR OF THE PREVIOUS DIRECTOR IN THE PAST, AND AT THIS MEETING HERE, HAVE NO REFLECTION ON ME FOR THE NEW DIRECTION THAT THIS ORGANIZATION IS TAKING UNDER YOUR BOLD, UH, LEADERSHIP.
UH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS INAPPROPRIATE.
I, IN NO WAY, I TOTALLY DID ATTACH THAT TO YOU.
AND I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO YOUR ORGANIZATION THAT HE STILL TRIES TO KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, PLAY BOTH SIDES WHERE HE HANGS ON, UH, UNDER THE GUISE OF MDPL AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF REFLECTS THROUGH ANTICS LIKE THAT ON YOUR ORGANIZATION.
I WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT HAS NO IMPACT ON ME.
I HAVE TOTALLY SEPARATED THE, THE TWO.
WE, I JUST WANNA SAY, UM, OH, THIS IS JEANETTE.
I'M ONE OF THE, UM, DIDN'T MIND ME.
DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAD BOARD MEMBERS.
ON BEHALF OF THE, UM, OUR ORGANIZATION, UH, DAVID SUAREZ, YOU ARE OWED AN APOLOGY.
UM, UM, COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE AND TANYA BOTT.
WE DO NOT CONDUCT BUSINESS THAT WAY.
UM, THAT THAT PERSON IS NO LONGER A PART OF OUR ORGANIZATION.
UH, WE HAVE CHANGED OUR BYLAWS TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS WITH A LOOKBACK OF THREE YEARS.
UH, WE HAVE, UM, PRO ADDED ALL THESE PROVISIONS TO PROTECT, AND YOU ASKED THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, DAVID SUAREZ, THOSE QUESTIONS NEEDED TO BE ASKED.
WE'VE ADDRESSED THOSE, UM, CONCERNS.
WE ARE READY TO SPEAK WITH YOU.
IF YOU HAVE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR US.
WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TRANSPARENCY.
WE WANT A CONTINUED PARTNERSHIP.
WE'VE BEEN A PARTNER WITH THIS WORK, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CITY FOR 50 YEARS.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE FEATURED ON GOOD.
UM, MORNING AMERICA, LIKE NEXT WEEK, UH, NEW YORK MAGAZINE'S DOING A FEATURE ON US.
IF YOU LOOK AT 36 HOURS ON NEW YORK TIMES LIKE THINGS TO DO.
OUR ORGANIZATION IS NAMED, UM, WE HAVE OUR YEARLY NEW YORK, UM, SORRY.
OUR, OUR DECA WEEKEND IS VISITED BY LIKE 300,000 PEOPLE A YEARLY.
IT'S YOUR LONGEST RUNNING CULTURAL, YOU KNOW, PROGRAM.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT, OH, IT'S HERE.
UH, WE'VE DONE A INTERNATIONAL SEARCH FOR A NEW, UM, UH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
YOU ARE GONNA CRY WHEN YOU SEE THE, UM, WITH JOY WITH THE LEADERSHIP THAT WE HAVE, OBVIOUSLY.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A CONTINUED PARTNERSHIP WITH YOU AND WHATEVER YOU'VE SEEN OVER THE PAST.
I, I APOLOGIZE, THAT'S NOT US.
UM, YOU'RE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, WE'RE HERE TO ADDRESS THEM TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES.
AGAIN, WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH ANY, YOU KNOW, RESPONSES THAT YOU NEED.
I'M GONNA CLICK, I GUESS, UM, GO WITH THIS AND LET ME SEE.
HOW DO I GET THIS GOING? OH, UH OH.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S NOT BEING, HOLD ON.
HOW DO WE GO BACK? UHUH? IS THERE A TECH HELP HERE?
IF PJ IF WE, CAN WE RESTART IT WITH SOUND? YOU JUST GONNA GO UP AND DOWN THERE? THERE'S NO SOUND ON THIS PRESENTATION.
IT WAS NOT SUBMITTED WITH SOUND.
SO, UM, MY NAME'S JEANETTE DORFMAN AND I, I HAVE THE HONOR OF SERVING ON THE MDPL BOARD, AND I'M PROUD TO GIVE THIS BRIEF PRESENTATION ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
FOR OVER 50 YEARS, WE'VE BEEN THE CITY'S FOREMOST CHAMPION OF PRESERVATION AS EDUCATORS, ADVOCATES, AND STEWARD OF THE WORLD FAMOUS ART DECO DISTRICT.
THROUGH OUR TOURS, EXHIBITIONS, AND ARCHIVES AND CULTURAL PROGRAMS, WE CELEBRATE WHAT MAKES MIAMI BEACH UNIQUE, ENSURING THAT OUR CITY'S HISTORIC CHARACTER CONTINUES TO INSPIRE FOR AND THRIVE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
I THINK IT'S SKIPPING ON ME NOW.
SO, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE ABOUT 7,000 PEOPLE THAT ANNUALLY TAKE OUR, OUR TOURS.
UH, THESE PEOPLE BECOME, YOU KNOW, BRAND AMBASSADORS TO THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.
AND EVERY TOUR CONNECTS TOURISM WITH EDUCATION, AND EVERY PARTICIPANT BECOMES AN AMBASSADOR OF HIS CULTURAL IDENTITY.
UM, JEANETTE, THAT'S 7,000 PER THE WHOLE YEAR.
SO THAT'S JUST OUR ORGANIZATION.
BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THERE'S MANY OTHER, LIKE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT, UM, IF YOU WALK AROUND, YOU'LL SEE OTHER TOUR GUIDES FROM LIKE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.
7,000 PER YEAR JUST TAKING TOUR.
YEAH, JUST DO THE, DOING THE TOURS WITH, WITH OUR ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS OUR, ONE OF OUR SOURCES OF INCOME.
AND, AND WE HAD ABOUT 150,000 PEOPLE WALK THROUGH OUR DOORS, UM, LAST YEAR.
AND THE NUMBER CONTINUES TO GROW.
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OUR DOCUMENTS ARE ALSO, WE HAVE AN ARCHIVE THAT IS VIEWED AND ACCESSIBLE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH OUR, IT'S BEEN DIGITIZED ALL OVER THE WORLD.PEOPLE ACCESS THEM, THEY LEARN FROM THESE ARCHIVES.
UM, THEY LEARN, YOU KNOW, SKILLS THAT ALLOW THEM TO, UH, LEARN HOW TO BUILD UPON WHAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, DONE IN ORDER.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN PRESERVING ART DECO HISTORY AND KEEPING IT ALIVE.
AND OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WANNA KEEP THEIR ART DECO HISTORY ALIVE, SUCH AS MUMBAI, THAT WAS JUST HERE FOR THIS PAST WEEKEND, UM, WE HAD A THREE DAY FESTIVAL.
UM, THEY, YOU KNOW, TAKE THOSE SKILLS AND THEY UTILIZE THEM TO ADVOCATE FOR THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES.
LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE STATE OF FLORIDA, YOU KNOW, WITH, UM, OTHER SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS, YOU KNOW, THEY TAKE, THEY LEARN FROM US AND THAT THOSE SKILLS ARE THERE AND THEY'RE USEFUL AND THEY'RE, UM, EDUCATING THE FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, PRESERVATIONISTS, UM, OUR LECTURERS, WE'VE HAD OVER 50 LECTURES SINCE 2020.
THESE ARE FREE TO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
THEY SPARK DIALOGUE, THEY ENCOURAGE RESPONSIBLE PRESERVATION, AND THEY MAKE DESIGN ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE.
ART DECA WEEKEND'S ALMOST HERE.
HOPE YOU GUYS ARE GETTING READY.
I HAVEN'T EVEN GOT HALLOWEEN YET.
UM, WE HAVE MANY, MANY ACTIVITIES.
AND HERE'S YOUR, UH, WHERE'S WALDER MOMENT? IF YOU WANT, YOU CAN, CAN SEE IF YOU CAN SPOT ME IN THE PICTURE.
UH, WE CELEBRATED WITH, UH, ART DECO, UH, HISTORY WITH MUMBAI.
SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FROM MUMBAI CAME OVER AND BOMBAY, UH, IT WAS A THREE DAY CELEBRATION.
UH, THAT LINK BELOW IS, I DUNNO IF YOU CAN SEE IT.
THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A LINK BELOW.
UM, WE WERE FEATURED IN, IN INDIA MAGAZINES AND INDIA NEWSPAPERS.
UM, SO INTERNATIONAL RECOGNITION.
AND, UH, AS, AS MENTIONED, WE'RE A COMMUNITY SPACE.
AND THE COMMUNITY SPACE, YOU KNOW, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE OCEAN DRIVE IMPROVEMENT COMMUNITY.
THE MIAMI BEACH MARINE PARK, UH, NUMEROUS ORGANIZATIONS, UH, CITY, CITY PUBLIC ORGANIZATIONS, PAL, THEY COME AND THEY MEET AND THEY USE OUR SPACE.
IT'S A SPACE THAT BELONGS TO EVERYONE WRAPPING IT UP.
UH, THE CENTER IS MORE THAN JUST A BUILDING.
WE PRESERVE AND PROMOTE MIAMI BEACH'S STORY SUPPORT LOCAL ARTISTS, AND DRIVE YEAR-ROUND ENGAGEMENT THAT BENEFITS RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES ALIKE.
OUR PRESENCE KEEPS OCEAN DRIVE VIBRANT, WELCOMING, AND CULTURALLY ALIVE.
WE'RE AN OUTDOOR LIVING MUSEUM AND WE DRIVE THAT, YOU KNOW, EDUCATION PEOPLE COME AND THEY LEARN ABOUT OUR OUTDOOR MUSEUM.
IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE, I THINK.
AND LASTLY, I THINK THERE'S NO LAST ONE, BUT OKAY.
UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.
YOUR SERVICE TO, UM, THIS FINANCE COMMITTEE.
HOPEFULLY I LOOK FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION VOTING, UM, WITH THE FIVE SEVENTH TO APPROVE US SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SEND THIS TO THE, I THINK IT'S CALLED RFP OR WHATEVER.
UM, AND THIS, WE, WE COULD HAVE SAT HERE AND HAD AN HOUR LONG DISCUSSION.
AND WE WOULD'VE HAD ANOTHER TWO HOUR LONG DISCUSSION AT INFORMATION.
YOU WANNA BE, BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME.
AND JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE HERE AND WE'RE A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION.
AND THEN I APOLOGIZE FOR, AGAIN, ANY OUTBURST.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BECAUSE THAT PERSON HAS NO ASSOCIATION TO YEAH.
BUT EVEN YOU DID, I MEAN, I FEEL BAD THAT YOU FELT ATTACKED AND, AND THAT, THAT YOU ASSOCIATED THAT WITH OUR ORGANIZATION AND WE WERE EQUALLY HARD FIRED.
OH, LOOK, YOU KNOW, IF 50 YEAR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY, WE WANNA CONTINUE THAT PARTNERSHIP.
YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE YOU HAPPY, WE WANNA MAKE THE CITIZENS HAPPY.
AND, UM, WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING ACTIVE STEPS.
I HOPE I CAN ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT I WANNA CONTINUE THIS RELATIONSHIP.
I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL RE YOU KNOW, RELATIONSHIP.
IT GETS INTERNATIONAL RECOGNITION.
LOOK, LOOK FOR US IN GOOD MORNING AMERICA ON THE 20TH.
I MEAN, WE, IT'S, IT'S A WONDERFUL THING, YOU KNOW, TO BE FEATURED LIKE IN THE NEW YORK TIMES, TO BE FEATURED IN THE NEW YORK MAGAZINE, TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN ENDLESS COLLECTION OF RECOGNITION THAT, YOU KNOW, BRINGS WORLDWIDE, UH, ATTENTION TO OUR THING.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WE BRING IN THE TAX DOLLARS STUCK INTO THE MOUSE.
WE CALL IT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, SEE THOSE ICONIC BUILDINGS TO TAKE THE, THAT ICONIC WALK.
AND, AND WE, WE, AS OUR, AS ACTIVISTS, WE DON'T SUPPLANT WHAT HAPPENS AT HPB OR THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD.
WE JUST SUPPLEMENT WITH OUR OPINION.
FOR WHAT? FOR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST A VOICE.
AND, AND THE VOICE HAS NO POLITICAL OBJECTIVE.
AND ANY MIXTURE OR ANY THOUGHTS THAT YOU THINK THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED FOR US TO SEPARATE AND CREATE TRANSPARENCY, AND IT BRINGS YOU COMFORT, THAT ALLOWS OUR PARTNERSHIP TO CONTINUE.
AND I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO ROGER.
HE CAN ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS BEFORE I ANSWER YOUR, YOUR QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANNA TELL YOU, I WAS REJECTED AT LEAST TWICE TO BE ON THE BOARD.
I WAS REJECTED TWICE TO, AND, AND
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THE REASON BEING, THEY ASKED ME, WHAT WOULD YOU DO BETTER OR DIFFERENT? AND THEY TOLD THEM AND I GOT REJECTED.UH, SO NOW WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCES AND THE CHANGES.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH OZZY AND HIS OFFICE, UH, WITH, WITH SOME OF THE BYLAW CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE.
WE HIRED A, WE'RE VERY HAPPY A NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, UH, WHO HOPEFULLY WILL START NOVEMBER 15TH.
YOU CAN'T KEEP TEASING THESE THINGS AND THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, LEAVE US HIGH AND DRY.
SO, I MEAN, UNTIL, UNTIL LISTEN, UNTIL THE CONTRACT IS SIGNED.
AND WE'VE NOTIFIED THE OTHER, UM, APPLICANTS.
I THINK WE CAN'T REALLY SAY ANYTHING.
I MEAN, WE JUST, YEAH, NO, I GET IT.
SO, AND I, I THINK, SO I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A TIDBIT.
I WAS, I THINK, REJECTED BECAUSE IN MY FORMER, UM, ROLE AS THE, UM, PRESIDENT OF THE, UM, MIAMI BEACH GARDEN CONSERVANCY, I WAS SEEN AS A DISRUPTOR BECAUSE WE ENDED UP CHANGING THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
AND I GO, OH, I'M NOT A DISRUPTOR.
MEANWHILE,
WE'RE GONNA TO BE CONTINUED WITH THE FABULOUS, FABULOUS NEWS THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU.
I MEAN, WE DON'T SEE OURSELVES AS A POLITICAL OFFICE.
I WOULD SAY HALF THE PEOPLE COME IN ARE JUST ASKING MIAMI BEACH QUESTIONS LIKE, HOW DO I GET HERE? WHAT SHOULD I SEE? UH, AND WE ANSWERED THEM ALL.
UH, SO I, I THINK IT'S, GO AHEAD.
WE, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE SAID WE WANT LIMIT THIS TO 10 MINUTES.
UM, I THINK THAT THIS DISCUSSION OF WHAT YOU'RE WILLING TO CHANGE HOW WE GOT THERE REALLY SHOULD GO TO THE FULL COMMISSION.
SO LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE, UH, I GUESS THE OTHER ITEM THAT WAS CALLED TO THE FULL COMMISSION AS FAR AS THE DISCUSSION AS WELL.
SO WE'RE GONNA SEND, UM, AND MAYBE THE CITY ATTORNEY DO, UH, CAN THE, ALL THE DISCUSSION HAPPEN ON THE PRIOR ONE? THE SITE COULD BE CLOSED AND IT ALL BE THERE? OR DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE, 'CAUSE IT'S TWO ITEMS, SAME DISCUSSION.
IT BE YOU PROPOSING A MOTION TO MOVE THIS DISCUSSION.
SO THE, THE, THE, THE LOBBYING ACTIVITY, UM, ITEM THAT, THAT CAN, THAT KEEPS COMING BACK BEFORE US.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT TO THE FULL MISSION.
SO YOU CAN MOVE TO, UH, HAVE A DISCUSS, TAKE ACTION ITEM THE WAY THAT WE'RE DOING.
AND THEN, AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PRESENT SURE.
ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE AND OTHERS MIGHT HAVE.
AND, UM, AND THEN WE CAN, THAT WAY I HAVE ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES THERE AT THE SAME TIME.
DO YOU WANNA SUBMIT THOSE QUESTIONS BEFOREHAND? SO JUST TO WE CAN LIKE, ANSWER THEM MY QUESTIONS AND YEAH, I, BUT JUST SO THAT IT'S LIKE REALLY QUICK AND EASY AND WE DON'T SPEND 30 MINUTES, LIKE YOU SAID.
WELL, LOOK, IF, IF YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR A 10 YEAR EXTENSION, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION.
I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A QUICK AND EASY.
SO, AND THAT WAY I WON'T BE IN CHARGE OF THE TIME, SO I DON'T MIND AS MUCH
CAN, CAN I, CAN I JUST DO SAY, SINCE I WAS KICKED OFF THE STAGE LAST TIME, CAN I AT LEAST HAVE A MINUTE PLEASE.
UH, WE, WE ARE A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION NOW.
UH, HAS THE MEMBERSHIP CHANGED? HOW SO? YOU DRESS A LOT BETTER.
PUT IT ON A TIME
I MEAN, WELL, I'M JUST SAYING, YOU SAID THAT ORGANIZATIONS CHANGED.
WHAT HAS THE COMPOSITION OF THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE BOARD CHANGED? OH, YES, YES, ACTUALLY.
AND, UH, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN TALKING TO PEOPLE IN THE CITY ABOUT MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE A MEMBER, UH, ON A BOARD WHO WORKS FOR THE CITY REPRESENTING THE CITY AS WELL.
AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE THREE NEW MEMBERS THAT ARE COMING ON.
WE HAVE THREE NEW MEMBERS WHO HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD YET THAT THERE ARE NEW ME, UH, NEW MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
AND, UH, WE, WE WE'RE STILL SHORT SOME MEMBERS.
UH, SO WE, WE WANNA EXPAND THE, UH, VIEWPOINTS AND THE TENURES, THE TENURESHIP OF LIKE THE BOARD, EVERY, EVERYTHING, THE STUFF THAT YOU THINK WAS, WE CAN WE CAN WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AT THE COMMISSION.
WHAT WHAT I APPRECIATE IS YOU HAVING ENOUGH SELF-AWARENESS TO KNOW THAT THESE CHANGES WERE NEEDED.
WELL, SOMETIMES PEOPLE NEED TO ASK THE RIGHT QUESTION, AND I BELIEVE THE QUESTIONS WERE ASKED AND WE DID, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT DOES IS LIKE, IT HELPS US LEVEL UP AND BECOME THE, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA BE A PARTNERSHIP THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE, ARE PROUD OF.
AND IF THERE'S QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED, WELL, LISTEN, I CAN, I CAN CERTAINLY, I CAN CERTAINLY GIVE YOU ONE QUESTION.
HOW DO YOU PREVENT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE LAST, UH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, GARY? BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT AT THE FOREFRONT.
I MEAN, THAT'S IT, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A QUESTION I'M GONNA ASK, BUT I MEAN, HE'S, HE'S AN EX EX PERSON, SO I MEAN, THE FACT HE'S A, WHAT, HE'S AN EX UH, MEMBER OF THE ORGANIZATION FOR I THINK FOR LIKE FIVE, SIX MONTHS NOW.
BUT THE FACT THAT WE KEPT THEM, EVERY TIME WE KEPT GETTING DRAGGED IN, WE'RE LIKE, OH MY GOD, WE'RE HORRIFIED.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T AIR OUT PUBLIC LAUNDRY THAT WAY.
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ATTACK PUBLIC OFFICIALS.WOULD YOU SAY THAT HE'S BEEN DETRIMENTAL TO YOUR ORGANIZATION? I, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT.
I MEAN, IT WOULD BE, THERE'S SO MUCH THAT HE'S DONE AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN COMMENDABLE, BUT WE'RE, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT, THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS RIGHT BEFORE WE GO UP, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT, THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, AND IT'S TOO HARD TO SEPARATE OURSELVES WHEN IT JUST HAPPENED LIKE 30 SECONDS AGO.
YOU KNOW, HO HOPEFULLY YOU SAW OUR ABILITY TO DO JUST THAT.
I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE CHANGES THAT YEAH.
UH, YOU ARE DOING NOT JUST FOR YOUR ORGANIZATION, BUT AS A COMMUNITY PARTNER.
THEN FOR THE CITY OF, SO LET'S MOVE THIS TO THE FULL COMMISSION.
UH, IS THAT A MOTION ON THE TABLE COMMISSIONER? YES.
THE, AND I'LL SECOND THE, UH, DISCUSS, TAKE ACTION AND LOBBYING.
MOVE OB 16 TO THE FULL COMMISSION FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ANY OPPOSED? NO, I'LL SHOW YOU HAVEN'T PASSED THREE, NOTHING.
I, I KNOW WE HAVE TIME CERTAINS THE TROLLEY NEXT.
AND THEN THE REVIEW OF IMPACT FEES NOT MINIMIZING, UH, THE TROLLEY, BUT, UH, THE IMPACT FEES HAVE BEEN SO FRONT AND CENTER AND, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE HERE DURING CAMPAIGN SEASON, I, I DON'T MEAN TO SIT HERE AND CORRECT THE RECORD ON EVERY SINGLE THING THAT'S, UH, PUT OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC REALM, BUT SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAT THERE AND SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO ADJUST THE IMPACT FEES.
WELL, WE'RE DOING ACTUALLY JUST THAT.
UM, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY DISCOVERED IN THIS VERY COMMITTEE THAT WE HADN'T ADJUSTED THE IMPACT FEES FOR, WHAT IS IT, 20 OR 30 YEARS? 30.
SO WHY DON'T WE, UH, GO TO NB 23 AND THEN WE WILL FOLLOW THAT WITH OB 19.
UH, BUT MR. CFO, WHY DON'T YOU TEE THIS UP? SURE.
[NB 23. SYSTEMATIC REVIEW OF IMPACT FEES]
SYSTEMATIC REVIEW OF IMPACT FEES, UH, MB 23 AND THE BUDGET TEAM, I BELIEVE IS RIGHT OUTSIDE WILL BE COMING INTO THE HANDLE THIS ITEM.GOOD MORNING, TAMIKA STEWART, BUDGET DIRECTOR.
AND WE HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION THAT WE'LL SHARE.
HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE SMOOTH.
SO I'M GONNA HAND OVER TO RICHARD AJAMI, WHO IS THE ASSISTANT BUDGET DIRECTOR, AND I'LL BE HERE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
UH, RICHARD AME, ASSISTANT BUDGET DIRECTOR.
UH, SO THE PRESENTATION BEFORE YOU, UH, IS PRETTY MUCH SUMMARIZING AN ANALYSIS THAT WE DID, UH, BASED ON A REFERRAL FROM THE MARCH 19TH COMMISSION MEETING TO CONDUCT PRETTY MUCH A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF THE CITY'S, UH, IMPACT FEES, AS WELL AS ANY OTHER FEES THAT ARE SOMETIMES REFERRED TO AS IMPACT FEES.
UH, PRETTY MUCH THE FOCUS OF THE PRESENTATION IS GONNA BE TWO PARTS.
I'M GONNA GO INTO A LITTLE BIT OF DETAILS ON EACH OF THE FEES, AND THEN TO KIND OF WRAP IT UP, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU ALL SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON ADJUSTMENTS, UH, THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS MAKING.
SO BEFORE, AND BEFORE I'D HAVE THIS HANGING OVER MY HEAD, UH, I KNOW SB 180 IS BEING CHALLENGED IN COURT, AND I'M OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THAT, BUT IT JUST HANGS OVER EVERY DECISION THAT WE MAKE, LIKE A THICK SMOG.
IS THIS IN ANY WAY CIRCUMVENTED BY SB 180? WELL, I HAVE TO WAIT TO HEAR WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, BUT, UM, THERE IS OTHER LEGISLATION THAT RELATES TO IMPACT FEES AND WHAT MUNICIPALITIES CAN AND CANNOT DO.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THOSE WOULD NECESSARILY BE IMPACTED BY A SB 180, BUT LET'S WAIT TO SEE WHAT, UH, THESE GUYS HAVE IN MIND.
AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SOME OTHER MUNICIPALITIES KIND OF, UH, GRAPPLING WITH THE SAME THING.
SO BEFORE I GO INTO THE DETAILS, UH, WE JUST WANT TO GIVE KIND OF HIGH, A HIGH LEVEL VIEW OF THE REVENUES THAT WE HAVE COLLECTED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UM, FROM THESE DIFFERENT FEES.
UH, WHICH AS YOU GUYS CAN SEE FROM THE TABLE, WE'VE BROKEN OUT INTO TWO SEPARATE CATEGORIES, IMPACT FEES, AND WHAT WE REFER TO AS OTHER FEES IN THIS CASE.
SO YOU'VE GOT MOBILITY, WATER, AND SEWER, AS WELL AS SANITATION IN ONE CATEGORY.
AND IN THE OTHER YOU HAVE YOUR FEE IN LIEU, UH, PARTS, CONCURRENCY AND SUSTAINABILITY FEES.
AS YOU CAN SEE, SINCE 2021, UH, THE REVENUES HAVE, I WANNA SAY
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FLUCTUATED.UM, BUT ON A POSITIVE NOTE, SO, WELL, IF, IF THIS IS A ONE-TIME FEE, THAT MEANS IT'S TIED TO NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO TAMIKA, HOW WE SEE THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION CHART IN OUR BUDGET, I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE VERY TIGHT CORRELATION WITH THIS.
WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? FOR THE MOST PART, YES.
UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, I'D PROBABLY SAY THE SANITATION FEE JUST BECAUSE THERE IS A MONTHLY COMPONENT ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AS WELL AS THE FEE IN NEW, WHICH WE'LL GO A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL ON.
SO THE MAIN THING, OR THE MAIN TAKEAWAY FROM HERE IS JUST MAKING THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT IS REALLY AN IMPACT FEE AND WHAT'S NOT.
AND I THINK THE MAIN TAKEAWAY HERE IS THAT OF IMPACT FEES, YOU CAN'T MITIGATE THEM.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE CODE THAT YOU CAN MITIGATE.
UM, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE FEE.
UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'RE GOING OFF OF HERE, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE BROKEN THEM OUT INTO THESE TWO CATEGORIES.
UH, SO I'LL JUMP INTO THE IMPACT FEES.
UH, FIRST ONE BEING MOBILITY FEES.
UH, THESE FEES WERE ESTABLISHED BACK IN 2019.
I, YOU KNOW WHAT
I APOLOGIZE, COMMISSIONER BOT, THIS IS YOUR ITEM.
I DIDN'T ALLOW YOU TO, UH, PROPERLY INTRODUCE.
UM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY KIND OF POSTMORTEM, UH, FEEL FREE.
BUT, UH, I KNOW YOU WERE, YOU WORKED HARD DISCOVERING THIS.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY TO TEE THIS UP.
SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION, BUT NOT AT ALL.
UM, I, I, NOT MUCH TO SAY OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT WAS SHOCKING WHEN WE DISCOVERED THAT FOR 30 YEARS, UM, IMPACT FEES HAD NOT BEEN INCREASED.
UH, THE FIRST STEP WAS TYING FUTURE IMPACT FEE INCREASES TO THE CPI, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.
AND THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.
SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO SEE, UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
UM, AND I, FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE, UM, THINGS GET DISTORTED, UM, THERE IS A, UM, STATE REPRESENTATIVE CLAIMING THAT, THAT HE HAS BEEN BEHIND THIS.
AND I WILL SAY UNEQUIVOCALLY, AS MY COLLEAGUES CAN ATTEST, 'CAUSE WE WERE ALL HERE ON THE DEIS WHEN WE HAD THE ORIGINAL CONVERSATION THAT HE IS NOT BEHIND THIS AND, UM, AND THAT WE ARE.
AND SO, UH, PRETTY EXCITED TO SEE WHAT YOU GOT FOR, SO TAKE IT AWAY AGAIN.
UH, SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE MOBILITY FEES.
UM, JUST GONNA BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE HERE.
THEY WERE ESTABLISHED BACK IN 2019.
UM, THEY'RE USED PRIMARILY TO FUND, UH, OR REDUCE THE DEPENDENCE ON TRANSPORTATION PARKING.
SO PRETTY MUCH TO PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE METHODS FOR, UH, MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UH, THE FEES THEY ARE INDEXED, UH, TO CPI.
SO THEY ARE ADJUSTED ANNUALLY.
UM, AND THE LAST ADJUSTMENT TO THESE FEES WAS EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST, UH, AS PART OF THE ADOPTIVE BUDGET THAT YOU ALL APPROVED ON SEPTEMBER, UH, 30TH.
THERE'S A VARIETY OF FEES HERE, SO I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO THE DETAILS, UH, JUST BECAUSE THEY DO VARY DEPENDING ON THE LAND USES, UM, AS WELL AS SOME CALCULATIONS THAT ARE DELINEATED A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IN THE ORDINANCE.
UH, THE NEXT ONE, AS COMMISSIONER BOT POINTED OUT, ARE THE WATER AND SEWER, UH, FEES, WHICH WERE RECENTLY UPDATED OR BROUGHT TO CURRENT, UM, REALITY, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY.
SO THESE FEES ARE BASED ON THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN JUNE.
UM, THERE WAS SOME DIRECTION TO KIND OF LOOK AT THEM EVERY FIVE YEARS, JUST TO REEVALUATE THEM TO MAKE SURE, UH, THAT THEY REMAIN, UH, COST BASED.
THESE FEES PRIMARILY SUPPORT, UH, EXPANSION OF OUR UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE.
CAN I JUST A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
SO IN ADDITION TO REVIEWING THEM EVERY FIVE YEARS, THESE ARE ALSO, UM, TIED TO CPI AT THE MOMENT? NO.
UH, BUT WE'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WHEN WE GET TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THE NEXT ONE IS THE SANITATION FEES.
UM, THIS ONE HAS TWO COMPONENTS, ONE OF WHICH AS COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE YOU MENTIONED, IS ESSENTIALLY TIED TO CONSTRUCTION.
THE OTHER COMPONENT HAS A MONTHLY FEE, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO THE ONE THAT'S TIED TO PERMITS OR CON, UM, DEVELOPMENT IS BASED ON JOB VALUE, UH, AS WELL AS THE RECURRING ASPECT OF THIS IS BASED ON THE EQUIP WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS EQUIVALENT COMMERCIAL UNITS.
UM, SINCE THE JOB VALUE ONE IS PERCENTAGE BASED, IT'S NOT INDEXED, UM, JUST BECAUSE AGAIN, IT VARIES, UH, BASED ON THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT.
SO THAT KIND OF WRAPS UP THE IMPACT FEES.
I'M GONNA GO THROUGH, UH, THE OTHER FEES THAT WE DID AS PART OF THIS ANALYSIS, AND THEN I'LL FINALIZE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, THAT WE'RE MAKING.
SO THE NEXT ONE IS THE FEE IN LIEU OF PARKING.
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ONE WAS LAST UPDATED IN 2014, HOWEVER, A REVIEW, UH, WAS DONE EARLIER THIS YEAR, UH, BACK IN APRIL.AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT IT WOULD BE BEST TO LEAVE THE FLEET, THE FEE AS IS, UH, JUST TO NOT BURDEN THE BUSINESSES, UM, WITH THIS ADDITIONAL FEE OR INCREASE.
AND, AND AT LEAST FROM MY PERSONAL STANDPOINT, I LOOK AT IT LESS AS BURDENING THE BUSINESSES AS OPPOSED TO CREATING THE CITY WE WANT TO SEE.
AND YOU DO THAT THROUGH INCENTIVES, AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE WANT TO SEE LESS CARS AND LESS TRAFFIC, THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT, I KNOW PEOPLE THINK IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE, IS TO HAVE LESS PARKING, RIGHT? IT REALLY IS.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE BUILDING PARKING ON EVERY SINGLE PROJECT WITH WHAT THAT DOES, IT ENCOURAGES MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TO DRIVE, WHICH THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
AND I SEE IT ALL ALONG ALTON ROAD.
WE HAVE SO MUCH EXCESS PARKING, IT'S NAUSEATING WELL THAT COMES IN PLACE OF PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO BUILD RESIDENTIAL AND HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IF ALL THE IMPACT FEES, THIS IS THE ONE THAT I'M LEAST CONCERNED, THAT, UH, WOULD KIND OF BE LEFT ALONE.
UH, THE NEXT ONE IS A PARKS CONCURRENCY FEE.
UM, THIS ONE ESSENTIALLY IS USED TOWARDS THE DEVELOPMENT OR EXPANSIONS OF PARKS, FACILITIES, AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, THE FEE WAS LAST ADJUSTED BACK IN OCTOBER, 2022.
UM, IT'S CURRENTLY A FLAT, UH, FEE, WHICH AS OF NOW IS $98 AND 75 CENTS.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IS A SUSTAINABILITY FEE.
UM, THIS WAS ESTABLISHED BACK IN 2016.
UM, IT PRETTY MUCH SUPPORTS ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE INITIATIVES.
UM, WE USE IT FOR GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, IT IS AGAINST A PERCENTAGE BASED FEE.
UH, SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT TIED TO CPI, UH, JUST BECAUSE AGAIN, IT SCALES WITH THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT THAT THIS FEE IS TIED TO.
UH, ONE THING I DO WANT TO NOTE HERE IS THIS FEE, AGAIN, CAN BE MITIGATED, UM, DEPENDING ON ANY LEAD STANDARDS, UM, THAT ARE ACHIEVED WITH, UH, CONSTRUCTION.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UH, WHICH I'M ASSUMING IS WHAT EVERYBODY'S WAITING FOR IS THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, UM, IS JUST A SUMMARY OF THE FEES AS WELL AS THE ADMINISTRATION'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE MOBILITY FEE.
UH, WE'RE JUST SIMPLY RECOMMENDING WE MAINTAIN THEM AS IS.
THE SECOND ONE IS THE WATER AND SEWER IMPACT FEE.
THE RECOMMENDATION HERE IS, AS COMMISSIONER BOT OR ASKED EARLIER, IS TO ESSENTIALLY INDEX THIS TO CPI EVERY YEAR, JUST SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PERIODICALLY COME BACK WITH, UM, UPDATES OR RECOMMENDATIONS ON UPDATES TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE FEES ARE OR REMAIN CURRENT.
THE THIRD ONE IS THE SANITATION FEE.
UM, THIS ONE HAS TWO PARTS OR ASPECTS TO IT.
ONE IS, UH, THE FEE, THE MONTHLY FEE SPECIFICALLY HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE IT WAS IMPLEMENTED BACK IN 1998.
CAN I JUST ASK HOW THAT CAN BE? UM, I REALLY CAN'T SAY WITH A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAINTY.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR A LONG TIME AND JUST HAS NOT MAYBE BEEN ADDRESSED.
SO AS PART OF THIS EXERCISE, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE ARE MAKING IS TO ESSENTIALLY DO A ONE-TIME CATCH UP BASED ON INFLATION AS WELL AS GOING FORWARD.
UM, INDEX THAT FEE AGAIN TO CPI.
IS THIS WATER AND SEWER FOR EVERYONE OR JUST DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS? IT WOULD BE FOR ANYBODY THAT IS ESSENTIALLY, UM, CONNECTING TO THE CITY'S, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE, JUST NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S RELATED TO NEW DEVELOPMENT? YES, IT'S NOT, IT'S RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S A SEPARATE, IT WOULD BE A CONNECTION FEE.
SO IF YOU'RE BUILDING A BUILDING AND YOU'RE ADDING A NEW CONNECTION, IT'S A CONNECTION FEE EFFECTIVELY ALL NEW DEVELOPMENT? IT WOULD, YEAH, NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE THE MAJOR ONE TO BE IMPACTED BY THAT.
ANYBODY, AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE ONGOING WATER AND SEWER FEES THAT WE PAY EVERY MONTH.
UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE IS, BUT, BUT FOR SANITATION, ONE TIME RETROACTIVE CPI ADJUSTMENT, THAT WOULD BE, THAT, THAT'S FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
DOES IT APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL? IT'S A MIX.
IT IS FOR THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS.
SO, AND THE PURPOSE BEHIND THIS FEE IS ESSENTIALLY TO, UM, COLLECT FUNDS TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT SANITATION PROVIDES IN THE COMMERCIAL AREAS.
NOTHING TO DO WITH RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
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AREAS.WHICH ON WHICH COULD HAVE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.
IT COULD, BUT IT'S FOCUSED ON COMMERCIAL.
JOHN NORRIS, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.
IT DOES INCLUDE MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH FROM A SANITATION STANDPOINT ARE CLASSIFIED AS COMMERCIAL.
SO, BUT NOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
WELL, HOW DO WE HAVE THAT, UH, BIFURCATED LIKE EIGHT TO 10 OR 12 UNITS ACTUALLY CLASSIFIES AS COMMERCIAL, CORRECT? YEAH, RIGHT NOW I BELIEVE IT'S OVER EIGHT IS WHAT'S CLASSIFIED THERE.
IS, THAT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, UPCOMING CHANGES.
WELL, THERE, THERE WILL BE AN ORDINANCE, I BELIEVE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING AT THIS COMING COMMISSION MEETING TO BUMP THE, UH, THE THRESHOLD UP TO 16 UNITS.
SO THAT UP TO 16 UNITS IN A FAMILY, INTO MULTIFAMILY BUILDING WOULD BE UNDER THE SINGLE HOLLER, UH, FOR RESIDENTIAL.
SO THAT WILL BE CHANGING IF THE COMMISSION VOTES TO DO SO.
IF, AGAIN, JUST TO REMIND THE, THE FUNDS GO INTO OUR SANITATION FUND, WHICH IS COVERING REALLY A LOT OF BEAUTIFICATION AND INC CLEANLINESS PROGRAMS. HOW MUCH OF AN INCREASE WOULD THAT ROLLBACK ADJUSTMENT BE? SO IF WE WERE TO DO THAT RETROACTIVE, UM, INCREASE RIGHT NOW, UM, THE FEES THEMSELVES RANGE ANYWHERE FROM $16 A MONTH TO $50 A MONTH, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
UH, THE FEE WOULD GO UP BY ABOUT 118%, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN DOUBLE.
SO YOU'D BE GOING FROM 16 TO $50 PER MONTH UP TO, UH, BETWEEN $34, $35 AND $109 PER MONTH.
JUST CURIOUS, WHY, WHY, WHY DO THAT FOR SANITATION AND NOT FOR WATER AND SEWER? IF, IF I, IF I MAY, THIS WAS, THIS WAS DONE, THIS IS ACTUALLY KIND OF DOING EXACTLY WHAT WAS DONE FOR WATER AND SEWER A NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO.
AND I'M ASSUMING, AND I'M, I'M, I'M ASSUMING THE REASON WHY THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS BECAUSE THERE'S A SEPARATE ITEM GOING THROUGH FOR WATER AND SEWER.
WATER AND SEWER HAS ALREADY DONE.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY CHANGE IN THE RECOMMENDATION IS WHEN THE WATER AND SEWER KETCHUP WAS DONE ON CPI, THERE WAS NOT AN IN INFLATION INDEX, UH, ADDED TO IT FOR THE FUTURE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM 20, 30 YEARS FROM NOW AND SOMEONE DID IT.
SO IT'S BASICALLY FOLLOWING THE SAME EXACT, UH, UH, PLAYBOOK THAT WAS DONE FOR THE WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION FEES AS IT IS FOR THESE FLAT, UH, SANITATION ONE.
SO IT WOULD BE A CATCH UP OF, OF CPI SINCE THAT DATE.
UH, AS, AS IF THERE HAD BEEN ALWAYS BEEN A CPI AND THEN JUST INDEX TO INFLATION SO WE DON'T, UH, HAVE THIS ISSUE ARISE AGAIN.
AND, AND THE REASON WHY IT'S 118% INCREASE IS BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE 19 19, 19 98.
OH 98, WHICH IS WHEN THE FEE WAS IMP ESSENTIALLY IMPLEMENTED.
AND OMB LOOKED AT WHAT INFLATION WAS EVERY ONE OF THOSE ACTUAL YEARS.
AND, AND USED THE ACTUAL ANNUAL INFLATION.
SO IF IT WAS 1%, ONE YEAR, 5%.
SO IT'S AN ACT WHAT ACTUALLY INFLATION, UH, WAS.
IT'S A CUMULATIVE, UM, INFLATION SINCE THE 1998.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE PLEASE? THANKS.
SO, UH, FOR THE FEE IN LIEU, UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE MAINTAIN THE FEE AS IT IS, UM, BASED ON WHAT THE COMMISSION APPROVED A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK.
UH, FOR THE PARKS CONCURRENCY FEE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING UPDATING THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, UH, TO ESSENTIALLY SUPPORT A SHIFT, UM, FROM THE CURRENT CONCURRENCY FEE AS YOU CALL IT, TO MORE OF AN IMPACT FEE STRUCTURE.
UH, JUST ESSENTIALLY TO MIRROR THE NEEDS, UM, THAT WE SEE WE HAVE WITH REGARDS TO PARK.
AND IN ENGLISH, THAT MEANS WHAT
SO, UH, WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS IF THERE IS A 200 ROOM, UH, RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, IT'S A MUCH DIFFERENT IMPACT ON OUR CITY THAN A 200 HOTEL UNIT HOTEL.
AND UNFORTUNATELY OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS, WE HAVEN'T HAD SO MUCH OVERDEVELOPMENT AS WE'VE GROWN IN THE WRONG WAY.
RIGHT? WE'VE ADDED CLOSE AND INCLUDING WHAT'S IN THE PIPELINE, 2000, 2000 HOTELS AND TRANSIENT UNITS, RIGHT? WHILE WE'VE ONLY ADDED ABOUT 150 NON WATERFRONT RESIDENTIAL UNITS DURING THAT SAME TIME.
AND THAT'S WHY WE SEE THAT IMPACT THROUGHOUT OUR CITY ON TRAFFIC, ON POLICE RESOURCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IS THIS A ONE SIZE FITS ALL APPROACH OR DO WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT WHAT THE OVERALL IMPACT? YOU
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KNOW, THERE'S A DIFFERENT IMPACT ON HOTELS AND COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL AND MR. CITY ATTORNEY, I DON'T KNOW IF EVEN LEGALLY WE COULD BIFURCATE ON THAT, BUT I'M GUESSING THAT THE HOOKUP FEE FOR ALL OF THIS STUFF IS ONE UNIT AND THAT'S YOUR CHARGE.AND WE DON'T DO ANY KIND OF DELINEATION BETWEEN THE IMPACT IT'LL ACTUALLY HAVE ON OUR CITY.
I THINK IT WOULD, I GUESS I'LL TURN IT OVER TO GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.
CARMEN SANCHEZ, DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR PLANNING.
UM, IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF LAND USES AND HOW IT'S ASSESSED.
UM, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION IS GOOD THAT WE NEED TO UPDATE THE PARKS MASTER PLAN BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, UM, WHAT WE'RE GOING ON IS BASED ON A PROGRAM THAT'S DATED.
SO ONCE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED LONG AGO ARE MET, THAT MEANS THAT THE FEE THAT WE'RE COLLECTING REDUCES.
SO, UM, WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO MOVE TO A MORE, UM, UPDATED MODEL, MORE LIKE THE MOBILITY FEE RATHER THAN THE STRAIGHT CONCURRENCY FEE.
UM, AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IT'S NO LONGER ON THE IMPACT THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY CREATING, BUT RATHER THE FEES HAVE TO BE BASED ON FUTURE PLANS.
SO THAT PLAN NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE IN ORDER FOR US TO ASSESS THE FEES.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, IT DOES.
AND MR. CITY ATTORNEY, PERHAPS FOR YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO CHIME IN, CAN WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS ALMOST ESCALATING? SO IF WE WOULD HAVE, UH, ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY, LET'S CALL IT THE CORNER OF, UH, FIFTH AND WASHINGTON, JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE, UH, FOR A POINT OF EXAMPLE, UM, YOU HAVE YOUR IMPACT FEES IF YOU WOULD HAVE UP TO 50 UNITS ON THERE.
BUT LET'S SAY YOU WOULD GO UP TO 200 UNITS AND THEN 500 UNITS AND A THOUSAND UNITS, RIGHT? AS YOU INCREASE THAT, YOU MAY NOT HAVE A LINEAR IMPACT ON HOW THAT IMPACTS OUR CITY.
SO IS THERE ANY TYPE OF CONCEPT THAT WOULD BE LEGALLY VIABLE WHERE IT SAYS WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO, AS YOU BECOME ANY SINGULAR PROJECT, EVEN MORE AND MORE INTENSIVE, WE'RE ACTUALLY INCREASING THE RATIO OF THOSE IMPACT FEES? SO LIKE A, I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING LIKE A PROGRESSIVE, UH, CONNECTION.
UM, I WOULD NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH OR HAVE SOMEBODY ON MY TEAM DO MORE RESEARCH TO GET YOU AN ANSWER THAT, UM, I MEAN, AS A GENERAL RULE, I MEAN, SPEAKING ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, WATER, UH, CONNECTION OR TO CONNECTION TO OUR, OUR SEWER, THE IMPACT FEE IS TIED TO THE SIZE OF THE WATER METER.
SO IN THEORY, AT LEAST, IF YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS MORE UNITS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LARGER PIPE AND THAT.
BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS EVEN BEYOND THAT IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED UNITS, UM, VERSUS 200 UNITS, THE 200 UNITS SHOULD BE POTENTIALLY MORE THAN DOUBLE THE 100 UNITS.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT IF FOLLOW UP BEFORE THIS
SO A PROJECT THAT OBVIOUSLY HAS A HUNDRED UNITS IS GOING TO HAVE LESS OF AN IMPACT THAN A GREATER PROJECT.
SO WE LOOK AT IT ON A PER UNIT BASIS.
UM, BUT THE OTHER THING THAT THAT COMES TO MIND IS THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU MIGHT HAVE HOTEL UNITS, PEOPLE WHO VISIT HERE ALSO USE OUR PARKS, RIGHT? SO THOSE PROJECTS SHOULD ALSO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE ASSESS THOSE FEES.
'CAUSE THEY ALSO HAVE AN IMPACT HUNDRED PERCENT IN, I REFER TO JOHN, UH, IF HE WANTS TO COME UP AND, AND TALK ABOUT THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
AND THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF ABOUT, UH, UPDATING, UH, THAT PLAN.
AND IN FACT, IN MY MIND, ACTUALLY, I THINK SOME OF OUR COMMERCIAL AND TRANSIENT USAGES PROVIDE A MORE INTENSE IMPACT ON OUR CITY.
AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS SAYING, CAN WE ACTUALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE THOSE FEES AND IF YOU ARE BUILDING COMMERCIAL AND HOTEL UNITS, UH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE OF AN IMPACT ON OUR CITY, CAN WE ESSENTIALLY ASSESS FEES ALIGNED WITH THAT? YEAH.
I, THE MOBILITY FEE MODEL WOULD PROVIDE THAT.
UM, BUT I DEFER TO THE PARKS DIRECTOR.
MORE PEOPLE MORE USE, MORE THINGS BREAK, MORE THINGS ARE NEEDED AND YOU NEED MORE REPAIRS REPLACEMENT.
WE, THEY, AN IMPACT FEE OR WHATEVER WE WANNA CALL IT, IS NECESSARY.
I DO BELIEVE THAT IN SOME OF OUR PARKS, THE HOTEL AND THE TRANSIT USES HAVE A FAR GREATER USE IN WEAR AND TEAR IN OUR PARKS THAN THE AVERAGE RESIDENT.
SO I'M ALL FOR WHATEVER WE CAN DO, ESPECIALLY IN THE BUDGET TIMES THAT WE'RE, NOW THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING THE RENEWAL AND REPLACEMENT DOLLARS THAT WE NEED, LET'S DO IT.
AND SO HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT THAT? RIGHT? UH, 'CAUSE WE'RE ALL IN CONSENSUS HERE THAT IF YOU'RE BUILDING A HUNDRED ROOM HOTEL, IT'S A MUCH MORE INTENSE IMPACT ON OUR CITY THAN A HUNDRED UNIT CONDO.
SO HOW CAN WE ASSESS OUR IMPACT
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FEES TO BE ALIGNED WITH THAT? WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, CONDUCT A STUDY.AND ONCE THAT STUDY IS, UM, OUTLINED WITH THE ITEMS THAT WERE ACTUALLY AS A CITY LOOKING TO PROVIDE THE LEVELS OF SERVICE, IF YOU WILL, THAT'S A MORE COMMON TERM.
ONCE THAT HAPPENS, THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ESTABLISH A FEE THAT WOULD FUND THOSE FUTURE PROJECTS.
AND I THINK ONE, ONE OF THE ISSUES UNDER STATE LAW IS THAT THE IMPACT FEE NEEDS TO BE RELATED TO WHAT THE ACTUAL COST IS TO THE MUNICIPALITY OR THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT OF THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT OR CONNECTION.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHY KARMA IS SUGGESTING THAT WE MIGHT NEED SOME STUDIES IN ADDITION TO THE LEGAL RESEARCH.
WELL, I, I, I GUESS I'LL PUSH TO HAVE THOSE DONE KIND OF IN TANDEM WITH THIS MOVING TO THE FULL COMMISSION BECAUSE I, I DO STRONGLY FEEL THAT THE TRANSIENT USAGES ARE MUCH MORE INTENSE TO OUR CITY AND THE IMPACT FEES SHOULD BE COMMENSURATE WITH THAT.
SO I DON'T WANT TO APPROVE THIS WITHOUT HAVING THAT.
WE WOULD LOOK AT ALL THE USES PERFECT TO ALL OF THEM TO SEE WHAT KIND OF AN IMPACT, IF I, IF I MADE IT TO MAYBE HELP MOVE THIS ALONG, IS IF, IF WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE THIS BACK TO COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THIS ISN'T THE END OF THIS, THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEGINNING OF A PATHWAY ON MANY OF THESE ITEMS. SO WITH THIS GOES BACK IS PROBABLY A, YOU KNOW, A CONSENT APPROVAL FOR THE CONCEPTS.
YOU'LL COME BACK WITH A NUMBER OF ORDINANCES ON SANITATION AND WATER AND SEWER.
AND THIS ONE IS GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK PERHAPS WITH A FUNDING REQUEST OR STUDY.
SO THIS WOULD JUST START US ON THE PATH.
I THINK STAFF HAS HEARD THE, THE INPUT, UH, FROM FERC.
SO ANY WORK THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF THIS WOULD END UP COMING BACK TO COMMISSION ANYWAY.
THIS HAS ESSENTIALLY BECOME, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, ZONING IN PROGRESS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A NO, A TWO YEAR PROCESS.
AND THEN WE HAVE THESE NEW, UH, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS THAT KIND OF GET IMPLEMENTED UNDER THE OLD REGIME.
I THINK THIS IS JUST REALLY, UH, TO GIVE ADMINISTRATION DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD IN ALL THESE INITIATIVES.
AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE A BEVY OF CONCEPTS, A FEW ORDINANCES THAT I THINK ON THREE OF THEM, AND THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, I THINK IS GONNA BE A MULTI-STEP PROCESS.
THERE, THERE MAY BE A DETERMINATION TO SAY, OKAY, IF WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN THAT PATH, WHICH IS GREAT, WE NEED, YOU KNOW, X DOLLARS TO DO A PLANNING STUDY.
SO WE WOULD COME BACK WITH A, A BUDGET, UH, YOU KNOW, AMENDMENT, LET'S SAY TO REQUEST THAT.
AND THEN COMMISSION WILL BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON THAT CONCEPT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE IT DOWN ON THE RIGHT PATH.
SO I THINK TO JUST FOR EXPEDIENCY AND MOVE THINGS ALONG WOULD, AND I THINK THERE'S ONE MORE RECOMMENDATION THAT RICHARD WILL GO THROUGH, IS WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THIS ITEM GO BACK TO COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION ON OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT THIS WILL NOT BE THE END OF IT.
THIS WILL BE A START OF A PROCESS AND, AND THESE WILL, UM, WE CAN EFFECTUATE THESE AS SOON AS THEY GO BACK TO COMMISSION.
UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE WHAT KAREN WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, WHICH REQUIRES FURTHER STUDY SO THAT IT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A MONOLITHIC BLOCK OF EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME.
I MEAN, IS IT THE WATER AND SEWER CPI WOULD MORE LIKELY BE IN EFFECT NEXT, NEXT OCTOBER 1ST AS IT GOES THROUGH THE CYCLE.
UH, THE SANITATION COULD BE IN EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.
AND THEN, SO EACH ONE WOULD HAVE TO BE KIND OF HAVE ITS OWN SEPARATE PROCESS AS IT KIND MOVES FURTHER ALONG AND GOES BACK TO COMMISSION.
AND ARE THERE, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT VARIOUS POINTS, ARE THERE OTHER FEES, UM, THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT NEED TO BE EXAMINED? WE TALKED ABOUT A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF FEES THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TIED TO DEVELOPMENT, BUT I, AND I, I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, NOTHING'S POPPING INTO MY MIND AT THE MOMENT, BUT WHO KNOWS WHAT OTHER FEES ARE OUT THERE, ROLL OFF FEES.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF I CAN ON THAT, THOSE, THOSE PARTICULAR FEES WERE HANDLED, UH, SEMI RECENTLY WITHIN THE PAST, UH, YEAR OR TWO, ALL THE FEES ARE LISTED IN OUR BUDGET EVERY YEAR.
MOST OF THE ONES THAT ARE ABLE TO ARE, ARE TIED TO CPI, WHICH REALLY AMELIORATES A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT REALLY WERE IDENTIFIED IN THIS ISSUE.
AND THIS FIXES A FEW OF THOSE ITEMS. UH, WHICH, OKAY, SO, SO I KNOW WE'VE DONE A LOT ALREADY.
UM, SO THE QUESTION IS, ARE THERE ANY THAT ARE SLIPPING THROUGH THE CRACKS? CAN WE JUST AT SOME POINT GO BACK AND MAKE SURE WE'VE CAPTURED EVERYTHING EITHER IN THE MONTHS PRIOR, THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE ALREADY, UM, OR THINGS THAT WE JUST DIDN'T CATCH THE FIRST TIME? WE CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK AGAIN.
UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE NOTHING HAS KIND OF QUOTE UNQUOTE SLIPPED THROUGH THE CRACKS.
SO, AND THEN, UH, I, I'LL JUST WRAP UP.
THE FUNNEL ONE WAS JUST KEEPING, THAT WAS THE LAST RECOMMENDED CHANGE, CORRECT? THE LAST ONE WAS A SUSTAINABILITY FEE, WHICH WE JUST RECOMMEND MAINTAINING THE FEE, UM, AS IT IS, UH, SINCE IT IS PERCENTAGE BASED, RIGHT? SO WE WOULD HOPE TO GET A RECOMMENDATION TO SEND THIS BACK TO COMMISSION WITH A FABLE RECOMMENDATION, UH, ON THE, UH, IMPACT FEE ADJUSTMENTS IS RECOMMENDED.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE, THE, UM, SUSTAINABLY SUSTAINABILITY FEE BEING MAINTAINED IS AT THE CURRENT RATE, IS BASED ON THE CONCEPT THAT THE, UM, THE FEE IS BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE.
AND SO WHENEVER A NEW PROJECT IS BROUGHT TO US, THE COSTS WILL BE SPECIFIC TO WHAT YEAR AND WHAT COSTS ARE CORRECT WHEN IT GETS BROUGHT.
SO WE'LL CA SO WE DON'T NEED A CPI 'CAUSE WE'RE EFFECTIVELY CAPTURING THAT AS IT'S CORRECT.
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IT'S BASED ON 5% OF THE TOTAL JOB VALUE.SO THE PERCENTAGE, THE PERCENTAGE ONES AUTOMATICALLY HAVE WHATEVER THE COST OF INFLATION IS.
SO THIS WORK WELL, AND SO FOR THE, UM, IN LIEU OF PARKING FEES, UH, I UNDERSTAND AND I REMEMBER THIS CONVERSATION WELL, THAT WE DECIDED, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY PRETTY HIGH, LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY.
BUT AT WHAT POINT ARE WE GONNA, YOU KNOW, IS A COMMISSION IN 10 YEARS GONNA SAY, OH MY GOD, HOW COULD THEY NOT HAVE ADJUSTED THIS? LIKE, WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT THAT? UM, IF, IF I MAY, I BELIEVE PLANNING BRINGS AN ITEM ANNUALLY OR EVERY COUPLE YEARS, THE PLANNING LOOKS VERY CLOSELY AT THIS ITEM.
AND THEY SELF-STARTED THAT PROCESS THIS YEAR WHERE THEY BROUGHT IT FORWARD TO GET ADMINISTRATION HAVE RECOMMENDED TO KEEP THE, UH, AND MAINTAIN THAT RATE.
AND THEY GOT THE COMMISSION TO, UH, AFFIRM THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
WE DO AN ANALYSIS BASED ON THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION OF PARKING GARAGES IN THE CITY.
SO EVERY YEAR I'LL GET INFORMATION FROM CIP.
WHAT WAS THE MOST RECENT GARAGE THAT WAS BUILT? WHAT WAS THE COST PER SPACE? UM, INCLUDING THE COST OF LAND TO BUILD THAT GARAGE? UM, THE COST HAS BEEN INCREASING, UM, AND AS A RESULT OF FEES, UM, WOULD INCREASE THE COST OF BUILDING A PARKING SPACE.
HOWEVER, AT $40,000, WE DON'T HAVE MANY PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY USE THAT FEE.
IT HASN'T, UH, UM, REALLY CHANGED ANYTHING.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE RECOMMENDED KEEPING IT AT $40,000 BECAUSE GOING ANY HIGHER REALLY MAKES THE FEE, UM, SOMETHING THAT NOBODY'S GONNA EVER USE OR PAY OR DESIRE TO USE.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S WORK ON THIS.
SO IF WE CAN GET A MOTION, UH, I'LL MOVE IT AS, UH, AS RECOMMENDED.
ALL IN FAVOR, MR. UH, CITY ATTORNEY? I BELIEVE I AM.
UM, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE.
IF WE CAN, UH, HEAR NB 14, THE NORTH SHORE TENNIS CENTER, UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A COMMUNITY MEMBER, UH, THAT'S HERE.
I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF HER TIME AND ALL THAT SHE DOES FOR OUR WONDERFUL CITY.
[NB 14. DISCUSS OPTIONS FOR FUNDING AMOUNTS NECESSARY FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF A TERRACE AT THE NORTH SHORE PARK TENNIS CENTER]
14 DISCUSS OPTIONS FOR FUNDING AMOUNTS NECESSARY FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF A TERRACE AT THE NORTH SHORE PARK TENNIS CENTER, MB 14, DAVID.UM, DAVID GOMEZ, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, THE THE PROJECT FOR THE NORTH SHORE TENNIS CENTER INCLUDED THE BUILDING OF PUBLIC RESTROOMS, WHICH HAVE NOW BEEN COMPLETED AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS A SHELL SPACE FOR FUTURE BUILD OUT.
UM, DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SHELL SPACE, THE TENNIS CENTER REQUESTED THAT WE EXPAND THE PATIO ON THE WEST SIDE THAT FACES THE TENNIS COURTS.
UM, WE ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED USING CRA FUNDING AND RECEIVED A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE ADVISORY BOARD TO DO SO.
AFTER FURTHER REVIEW AND CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, IT WAS DEEMED THAT DUE TO THE LANGUAGE, UH, IN THE CRA, WE COULD NOT USE THOSE FUNDS FOR THAT PURPOSE.
SO WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL OPTIONS FOR FUNDING THAT EXPANSION.
UH, CURRENTLY ESTIMATED AT $350,000.
SO WHERE I'M AT, AND LORI PLEASE COME UP, AND JOHN, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AS WELL, WE HAVE AN OPERATOR AT THE NORTH SHORE TENNIS CENTER THAT ESSENTIALLY OPERATES OUR TENNIS ACADEMY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, IF YOU WILL.
WE ALSO HAVE A PUBLIC WORKS, UH, OR CIP PROJECT ASSOCIATED WITH IMPROVING THAT AREA.
UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT THE PRIVATE SIDE CAN DO SOMETIMES WITH MORE EXPEDIENCY, UH, THAN WE'RE OFTEN ABLE TO DO.
AND WE SEE THIS PROJECT UP THERE, I WENT AND I VISITED FIRSTHAND, AND IT'S JUST LANGUISHING.
AND YOU HAVE CREATED SOMETHING SO UNIQUE AND SPECIAL UP THERE.
YOU DESERVE WORLD-CLASS FACILITIES THAT ARE ALONG WITH IT.
AND, UH, WE'VE JUST GONE THROUGH A VERY LONG BUDGET YEAR.
UM, I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE SITTING AROUND YEARS AND YEARS WAITING FOR US TO MAGICALLY FIND THIS $400,000 TO SAY, OKAY, NOW YOU HAVE A GOOD TIME.
AND THEN IT TAKES A FEW YEARS AFTER THAT, I WENT UP THERE.
YOU HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL FACILITY.
UH, IT, IT CATERS TO ALL WALKS OF LIFE FROM OUR WELL TO DO TO OUR HAVE NOTHING.
THEY ALL UNITE ON THE TENNIS COURT UP THERE.
YOU'VE CREATED SOMETHING SPECIAL.
I WANT YOU TO HAVE THE FACILITIES AND AMENITIES THAT ARE COMMENSURATE WITH WHAT YOU'RE CREATING.
AND I WENT UP THERE, THERE'S REBAR THAT'S HANGING OUT.
IT, IT IS JUST NOT CONDUCIVE TO WHAT, UH, NOT THAT REBAR,
AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS
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POSSIBLY YOU TAKING ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY.AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WOULDN'T BE FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE FOR YOU TO DO LOCKED INTO YOUR CURRENT TERMS. RIGHT? SO YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO MAKE THAT LARGE CAPEX CAP OUTLAY IF YOU HAVE THE, UH, THE CERTAINTY THAT YOU HAVE A LONGER OPERATING AGREEMENT.
EVEN HEARKENING BACK TO THE, UH, HIGH LEVEL DISCUSSION WE JUST HAD WITH MDPL.
WE FUNDED SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THROUGH OUR GEO BOND, OUR TAXPAYERS, RIGHT? WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS SAYING THE PRIVATE SIDE WILL DO THIS.
AND IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT, YOU GET A LONGER CONTRACT TO LOCK YOU IN TO BE ABLE TO MAKE BACK SOME OF THAT MONEY BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA OUTLAY A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS YOURSELF.
YOU NEED A LONGER CERTAINTY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO EARN THAT MONEY BACK.
SO YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY DOING US A SERVICE.
AND WHEN I SAY US, I DON'T MEAN THE THREE OF US UP HERE ARE TAXPAYERS, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE SAVING THEM $400,000 THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, BURDENING THEM.
SO WHY DON'T I TURN THIS OVER.
DAVID, DID I GET ANYTHING WRONG THERE? LORI? DID I GET ANYTHING WRONG? AND THEN WE'LL KICK IT UP HERE OR MAYBE SERVE IT UP HERE, UH, FOR DISCUSSION.
I APPRECIATE ALL THE KIND WORDS.
I STARTED HERE IN 2017 AND WE TOOK A TENNIS CENTER THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH DERELICT AND TURNED IT INTO THE MOST PHENOMENAL COMMUNITY RESOURCE.
AND AS WE CONTINUE, I THINK THE LAST PHASE IS REALLY ADDING THAT CAFE, WHICH IS IN MY CONTRACT ACTUALLY FOR ME TO OPERATE.
SO SOME OF THE MAJOR COMPONENTS THAT WERE MISSING, INCLUDING A GREASE TRAP, UM, CREATED A PROBLEM FOR ME TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO EXECUTE THAT.
UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE THINKING OF NOW FOR THE FUTURE, LIKE PADDLE AND WHATNOT, PART OF THE, UM, THE BIG PICTURE IS CREATING A COMMUNITY SPACE, A BLUE ZONE FOR PEOPLE TO HANG OUT AND EAT.
AND, UM, AS THEY PUT THAT IN PADDLE X, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GO BACK AND RETROFIT WITHIN THE TENNIS CENTER SO THAT THE PEOPLE, WHETHER THEY'RE AT TENNIS OR BASEBALL OR AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, CAN COME AND HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE AND SIT AND WATCH THE TENNIS AND SORT OF RELAX.
'CAUSE EVERYTHING IS SO GO, GO, GO.
BUT THERE'S REALLY TWO COMPONENTS TO THIS.
THERE'S THE ONE COMPONENT WHICH IS FINISHING THAT TERRACE, WHICH HONESTLY IT'S ABSOLUTELY EMBARRASSING BECAUSE PEOPLE ASK ME ALMOST EVERY DAY, WHEN'S THE CAFE COMING? WHEN'S THE CAFE COMING? AND I'M LIKE, CAFE AT THIS POINT IS A FOUR LETTER WORD.
UM, WELL, LITERALLY IT IS, I MEAN, YES IT IS, BUT IN MY MIND IT'S BEEN LIKE A SORE SPOT BECAUSE I REALLY WANNA SEE THIS FINISHED IN THE RIGHT WAY.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S THE BUILD OUT OF THE INSIDE OF THE CAFE.
SO NEITHER OF THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, SMALL PEANUTS WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY GETTING SOMETHING DONE THESE DAYS.
BUT I THINK THERE'S TWO PIECES THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY REALLY TALKING ABOUT.
AND JUST FOR, FOR THE RECORD AND FOR CLARITY, THE REASON THAT THE WEST SIDE IS UNFINISHED IS BECAUSE WE STOPPED THE CONTRACTOR PENDING THIS REQUEST FOR A CHANGE.
OTHERWISE THERE WOULD BE A RAMP THERE NOW AND IT WOULD BE DONE WELL.
I, I, UM, LOOK, I I WAS UP THERE AS WELL.
WE TALKED AT LENGTH AND WALKED THROUGH THE FACILITY.
I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, THE, THE CONDITIONS.
I THINK IT'S AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.
AND IT'S ALSO FRUSTRATING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE PEOPLE ASKING WHEN IS THE CAFE COMING AND HAVE OPERATORS ASKING, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO TO BID ON THIS OR I'D LIKE TO GET INVOLVED WITH THIS.
I MEAN, IT IS, WE NEED TO FIND A PATH FORWARD.
AND SO I'M, I'M PRETTY EXCITED TO, TO HELP FACILITATE THAT.
NOW, I GUESS MY CONFUSION HAS ALWAYS BEEN LIKE, I FEEL LIKE WE GO DOWN ONE PATH, WE GET A SOLUTION, THEN WE'RE KIND OF TOLD NO, IT'S NOT THAT, YOU KNOW.
UM, AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE CRA WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION AND THEN I SPOKE TO YOU AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL ANSWER WAS NOW BECAUSE YOU SAID LIKE, WE FOUND SOME MONEY WITH THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT WITH THERE WHEN THERE'S OVERAGES? YEAH.
UM, UM, SO THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IS THE POTENTIAL OF USING THE CAPITAL RESERVE TO FUND THE DIFFERENCE.
UM, AND IT, IT, THE CONTRACTOR'S CURRENTLY ON STANDBY, WE JUST NEED TO RESOLVE HOW WE FUND THIS CHANGE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY.
SO I GUESS THAT'S THE SECOND, RIGHT? SO IF THERE'S, UH, THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THE RESERVES FOR THE $350,000 THAT WOULD FINISH THE GREASE TRAP AND THE OUTSIDE, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING.
'CAUSE THEN I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO PUT IN MYSELF AROUND 2 50, 300 TO BUILD THE INSIDE OF THE CAFE, WHICH I REALLY WANNA DO, UM, AND KNOW WITH CERTAINTY THAT I'M GONNA BE THERE BECAUSE I'VE, YOU KNOW, BEEN THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS.
AND SO, SO THE OPTIONS ARE EITHER FUNDED THROUGH RESERVES OR EXTEND THE CONTRACT.
IS THAT RIGHT? OR A COMBINATION OF, I'M SURE, OR A COMBINATION OF A COMBINATION OF BOTH, I THINK IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT ANSWER.
SO AND YOU, YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT ARE AND THE CITY IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? WE ARE, YES.
AND SO WHAT IS THE SPLIT AND WHAT'S THE CONTRACT EXTENSION? LIKE? WHAT IS THE, I I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF JOHN HAS A,
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I I HAVEN'T FULLY, UM, NEGOTIATED OR SPOKE ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD BE.NO, I JUST FOUND OUT THIS WAS COMING ON AS AN ITEM.
SO I DIDN'T EVEN, SO NEXT STEPS SHOULD BE, I, I WOULD SUGGEST, UM, IF IF EVERYBODY'S AMENABLE TO THIS IS FOR THIS TO GO BACK TO COMMISSION ALONG WITH A RECOMMENDED PATH FORWARD OF, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A CON CONTRACT EXTENSION, UM, NUMBER OF YEARS, THIS IS WHAT THE CITY'S GONNA FUND FROM, FROM THE BUDGET, AND THIS IS THE PATH TO MOVE FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, VOTE ON THIS AND, AND, AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
UM, IT'S JUST BEEN LANGUISHING.
SO, SO IF I, IF I CAN, I, I, I THINK IT'S TO RETURN TO COMMISSION, TO DIRECT THE ADMIN TO NEGOTIATE AN EXTENSION TO THE OPERATOR AGREEMENT WITH A CONDITION FOR THE OPERATOR TO PARTIALLY FUND THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE TERRACE.
UM, AT, IF, IF YOU WANT FOR CLARITY HOW MUCH THE CITY HAS THE FUNDS TO FINISH THE TERRACE, THE CITY HAS THE FUNDS TO INSTALL THE GREASE TRAP, WHAT WE WOULD, I BELIEVE WE'D BE NEGOTIATING IS THE BUILD OUT OF THE CAFE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE DIRECTION.
SO, SO WE TO FUND THE, THE BUILD OUT OF THE, OKAY, MAY, MAY I ASK THE, THE EXISTING AGREEMENT DID NOT CONTEMPLATE THE BUILDUP ALREADY FOR THE INTERIOR.
BUT IT DOES SAY THAT I'M TO OPERATE A CAFE IN THE SPACE, WHICH I, THE REASON WHY IT WAS JUST BUILT AS AN EMPTY SHELL IS 'CAUSE IT WOULD'VE SAT THERE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE BATHROOMS, HAD I NOT JUST SAID BUILD THE SHELL BECAUSE IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUDGETED PRE COVID AT LIKE A $2.1 MILLION PROJECT AND WE COULDN'T GET IT TO GO ANYWHERE.
SO I SAID, BUILD THE SHELL, I WILL CREATE THE CAFE MYSELF, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO GET IT DONE.
AND OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS FUNDING PART OF IT HELPS ME.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE I'M LOOKING AT PROBABLY A $600,000 OUTLAY ON MY OWN AS, YOU KNOW, I'M A REALLY GREAT RESIDENT.
I WOULD SAY, LORI, HOW MUCH IS IT GONNA COST ABOUT $300,000 TO BUILD OUT THE CAFE IN APPLIANCES ALONE? IT'S LIKE ONE 50 BY THE TIME I GET THINGS GOING, AND I CAN'T EVEN START ON THIS, I CAN'T EVEN GET THIS PERMITTED UNTIL THESE GUYS GET THE, THE DEBT GOING.
SO I'VE GOT ABOUT THREE YEARS LEFT ON MY CONTRACT.
UM, I'M, I DON'T WANT YOU PAYING ANYTHING
I MEAN, ME EITHER, BUT I MEAN, I REALLY WANNA BE A PART OF IT NOW.
YOU KNOW, JOHN AND I CAN DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT THE, THAT MONEY COMES OUT OF MY FUTURE RENT PAYMENTS SOMEHOW, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE AN OVERALL BURDEN FOR ME.
I DO PRODUCE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF REVENUE FOR THE CITY.
UM, I'M NOT LOOKING TO GET ANYTHING FOR FREE.
I LOVE THIS CITY AND I LOVE THE TENNIS CENTER, SO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET IT DONE, I, NO, BUT I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
IT'S A, IT'S NOT YOUR PERSONAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY.
IT'S, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, PAYMENT NOW AGAINST FUTURE REVENUE OR, OR RENT PAYMENT OR WHATEVER.
AND, AND REALLY YOU CAN'T START BECAUSE THE PERMIT ISN'T CLOSED.
AND, AND SO WE NEED TO MOVE EXPEDITIOUSLY TO FINISH THE WORK ON THE EXTERIOR, CLOSE THE PERMIT, CONCURRENT WITH NEGOTIATIONS ON THE FUNDING FOR ALL THESE NEXT STEPS AND THEN JUST MOVE FORWARD.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPROVE THAT PIECE OF IT, IF THEY HAVE IT IN THE RESERVES TO SAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THAT, BECAUSE I CAN'T EVEN STORE STUFF IN IT.
IT'S THE MOST BEAUTIFUL STORAGE SPACE THAT IS GETTING UNUSED IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW AT $2.2 MILLION, YOU KNOW, PROJECT.
I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE WE AS A FINANCE COMMITTEE HAVE THE APP, THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE.
BUT, UM, WE CAN DEFINITELY RECOMMEND.
BUT IT GOES BACK, I DON'T KNOW, CAN IT COME BACK TO THE OCTOBER MEETING TO MOVE IT FORWARD? I THINK THAT WOULD BE UP TO WHOEVER'S HANDLING THESE FOR STAFF, UH, DAVID OR PARKS, IF, IF WE'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A, A CAPITAL BUDGET AMENDMENT TO FUND THE CITY PORTION OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT.
I MEAN, WHATEVER NEEDS TO HAPPEN FIRST, HE'LL NOW ENABLE YOU GUYS TO FINISH THE EXTERIOR WORK AND CLOSE IT OUT THE PERMIT SO THAT WHILE YOU'RE DOING ALL THE OTHER STUFF, WE CAN GET GOING, YOU KNOW, DO THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATION AND, AND START PLANNING FOR THE BUILD OUT.
I, I JUST DON'T WANT THIS TO GO ANOTHER THREE, FOUR MONTHS BEFORE WE EVEN CLOSE OUT THE CONTRACT.
LIKE, HOW DO WE EXPEDITE THIS? YES, THE, WE CAN WORK WITH THE BUDGET DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE'VE MISSED OUR DEADLINES FOR, FOR THE OCTOBER 29TH INTERNALLY, BUT WE CAN SPEAK TO THE MANAGER AND SEE IF WE CAN EFFECTUATE, UH, WITH THE CIP DEPARTMENT TO MOVE FORWARD A, UM, A QUICK, UH, BUDGET AMENDMENT, WHICH WE HADN'T PLANNED ON FOR OCTOBER 29TH.
BUT IF THAT'S THE, THE WILL, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND WE'LL BRING THE, WE'LL FUND THE, FROM THE CAPITAL RESERVES, THE CI CITY ELEMENTS, BUT THIS MOTION IS THE RETURN, UH, TO DIRECT THE ADMIN TO NEGOTIATE AN EXTENSION TO THE OPERATOR AGREEMENT WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE OPERATOR WOULD FUND, UH, THE BUILD OUT OF THE CAFE.
AS PART OF, AND, AND AGAIN, NOT OUT OF YOUR PRIVATE POCKET, BUT A AS, UM, FUNDING, UH, AGAINST FUTURE EARNINGS OF THE FACILITY SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SO YOUR RENT PAYMENTS MIGHT BE DECREASED BY 5% FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS, WHATEVER, UNTIL
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THE MONEY IS MADE.SO, UH, SO YOU GUYS NEGOTIATE THAT WE BRING IT BACK THIS MONTH IN OCTOBER SO THAT WE GET GOING WITH IT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S ALL GONNA TAKE TIME NO MATTER HOW QUICKLY WE PRESS PLAY.
AND THEN WE JUST KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
SO FOR CLARITY, WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK THE BUDGET AMENDMENT AND REQUEST FOR THE THREE 50, WHICH IS THE TERRACE, THE GREASE TRAP, THE OUTDOOR PORTION TOGETHER WITH A DIRECTION TO NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT FOR THE BUILD OUT OF THE INTERIOR AND THE EXTENSION OF THE LEASE.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.
I WOULD JUST ASK CIP TO E SEND THAT INFORMATION TO OMB IMMEDIATELY.
SO, UH, THAT, WHO WILL BE MAKING THAT MOTION SHOW COMMISSIONER BOT MAKING THE MOTION A SECOND.
JUST GIVE, GIVE THE MOTION ONE MORE TIME.
UH, RETURN TO COMMISSION, UH, WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO DIRECT ADMINISTRATION, NEGOTIATE AN EXTENSIONS OF THE OPERATOR AGREEMENT, UH, WITH A CONDITION FOR THE OPERATOR TO FUND THE BUILD OUT OF THE CAFE AT THE NORTH SHORE PARK TENNIS CENTER.
CAN, CAN, CAN WE PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT, UH, IF BY THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING WE FIND FUNDING FOR THE TENNIS CENTER WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO FUND IT, IF, LET'S SAY I BRING A MOTION OR AN ITEM TO FUND THE TENANT CENTERS SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY OUT OF POCKET FOR IT.
AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE HANDLED RIGHT NOW.
UH, BUT I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE ITEM THAT WE'RE PASSING DOESN'T PIGEONHOLE THEM INTO FUNDING IT THEMSELVES.
MY IF, UNLESS THEY'RE, AGAIN, UNLESS I BRING SOMETHING FORWARD OR SOMEONE ELSE SAY, FINDING THE MONEY FOR MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CITY THROUGH ITS CAPITAL RESERVE IS GONNA COVER THE TERRACE AND JUST THE TERRACE AND THE GREASE TRUCK.
I THINK I'M MORE THAN COMFORTABLE DOING THAT WITH SOME NEGOTIATION AS TO RIGHT.
AND THEN THE BUILD OUT WOULD BE NEGOTIATED HOW I'M DOING IT OVER THE FUTURE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST THE BUILD OUT, BECAUSE YOUR MOTION, THE MOTION THAT YOU JUST SAID YEAH.
REQUIRES THEM TO PAY FOR THE BUILD OUT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE COMMITTEE.
WELL, I, I'D LIKE TO HAVE LIKE AN OR, UM, THE CITY FINDS EXTRA FUNDS TO BUILD, TO HELP FUND THE BUILD OUT COMMISSIONER.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL SATISFY YOUR CONCERN, BUT THE AGREEMENT ITSELF HAS TO COME BACK TO COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL ANYWAY.
UH, SO COMMISSIONER BOT MADE THAT MOTION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SO, BUT YOU'RE SAYING IN THAT TIME WE CAN, IN THAT TIME, IF YOU, MAYBE IF THE COMMISSION DECIDES THAT THEY FOUND A WAY TO FUND IT, THE AGREEMENT WILL JUST BE ADJUSTED SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO FUND IT.
AND LISTEN, IF, IF YOU'RE THINKING OF SELF-FUNDING, THIS AS APPRECIATED.
I DON'T THINK NECESSARY, BUT THANK YOU THOUGH,
UH, COMMISSIONER BOT MADE THE MOTION.
ANYONE OPPOSED? HEARING NONE PASSES.
LORI, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR OUR CITY.
YOU TRULY A GREAT OPERATOR, LORI.
UM, LET'S DO OB 19, THE TROLLEY CONTRACT.
[OB 19. REQUEST FOR ADVISORY REVIEW AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF FINAL SELECTION AND NEGOTIATED AGREEMENT, IN SUBSTANTIAL FORM, AS SET FORTH IN ATTACHMENT “A” WITH LIMOUSINES OF SOUTH FLORIDA, INC., PURSUANT TO INVITATION TO NEGOTIATE (ITN) 2024-008-ND, FOR MUNICIPAL CIRCULATOR SERVICES. (TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY DEPARTMENT)]
REQUEST FOR ADVISORY REVIEW AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF FINAL SELECTION AND NEGOTIATE.NEGOTIATE AGREEMENT IN SUBSTANTIAL FORM IS SET FORTH IN ATTACHMENT A WITH LIMOUSINES OF SOUTH FLORIDA, INCORPORATED PURSUANT TO INVITATION NEGO NEGOTIATE ITN 2 0 2 4 DASH 0 0 8 DASH ND FOR MUNICIPAL CIRCULATOR SERVICES FROM THE TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY DEPARTMENT OB 19.
UM, I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION THAT PICKS UP WHERE WE DROPPED OFF LAST MONTH.
UH, PJ IF YOU COULD PUT UP THE PRESENTATION PLEASE.
SO, UH, THE FIRST COUPLE OF SLIDES ARE A REFRESHER.
UM, THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE THREE VEHICLES THAT WERE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE PROCUREMENT, THE HOMETOWN TROLLEY, THE GILLICK TROLLEY, AND THE GILLICK BUS.
THE VEHICLE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS RECOMMENDING IS A 40 FOOT GILLICK BUS.
IT'S A LOW FLOOR VEHICLE, HEAVY DUTY WITH DUAL DOORS FOR EASY BOARDING AND A LIGHTING.
HOWEVER, IF YOU RECALL, IF THIS VEHICLE IS SELECTED, IT WOULD RESULT IN AN INCREASE TO OUR ANNUAL OPERATING COST OF ABOUT $5.4 MILLION.
SO WE, UH, WE'VE BEEN ENGAGED IN TRYING TO REDUCE THAT DEFICIT OR CLOSE THE GAP, UH, TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE.
AT THE LAST FERC, UH, COMMITTEE MEETING, YOU MAY RECALL THAT WE SPOKE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ADVERTISING AND THERE WAS A CONCERN AMONGST THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT WE WERE NOT GENERATING SUFFICIENT ADVERTISING REVENUES.
SO WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF, OF RESEARCH ON THIS.
UM, OUR, OUR ADVERTISING ON THE EXTERIOR OF OUR TROLLEYS GENERATES ABOUT $180,000 A YEAR.
UM, BUT SOME OF THE KEY TAKEAWAYS BASED ON OUR RESEARCH WAS THAT WHEN THE POLICY
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DECISION WAS MADE TO BAN ALCOHOL SALES, THAT THAT, UH, QUICKLY REDUCED OUR REVENUES BY APPROXIMATELY 80,000 A YEAR.UM, ALSO, UM, PREMIUM BRANDS, UH, NATIONAL BRANDS TYPICALLY DO NOT, UM, ADVERTISE ON TRANSIT VEHICLES, IF YOU WILL.
THEY ADVERTISE EITHER ON BIG DIGITAL, UH, BILLBOARDS, EVEN OUR BUS SHELTERS AS WELL.
THERE ARE, UH, SOME THAT ARE DIGITAL, UH, BUT NOT SO MUCH ON TRANSIT VEHICLES.
THE TRANSIT VEHICLE MARKET ATTRACTS MORE LOCAL BUSINESSES, WHICH OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LOWER MONTHLY, UH, RENTAL RATE.
HOWEVER, UM, THE KEY TAKEAWAY HERE IS THAT BASED ON OUR RESEARCH AND INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED BY OUR ADVERTISING VENDOR OUT FRONT MEDIA, OUR RATES DO ALIGN WITH THE MARKET AVERAGES FOR TRANSIT VEHICLES.
AND THAT IS IN THE RANGE OF, YOU KNOW, 4,000 TO 11,000, DEPENDING ON IF IT'S A SMALL BUSINESS OR IF IT'S A PREMIUM BRAND.
JOSE, AND LET ME ASK, UH, BECAUSE I JUST WANTED TO DO LIKE A LITTLE ANECDOTAL OBSERVATION.
SO I JUST, I SAT IN SUNSET HARBOR ONE DAY AND JUST DID MY OWN LITTLE STUDY ANALYSIS AND SAW ABOUT 20 TROLLEYS GO BY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WERE THE, YOU KNOW, UNIQUE, BUT, UM, LESS THAN HALF OF THEM HAD ANY ADVERTISING AT ALL.
SOME HAD, UH, CITY ADVERTISING, RIGHT? THEY WERE ACTUALLY LIKE CITY, UH, INITIATIVES, UM, DON'T LITTER THING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO MAYBE OUR RATES ARE IN LINE, BUT, AND THIS ISN'T A QUESTION FOR YOU 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU'RE DOING THE ADVERTISING OR MARKETING, BUT ARE WE REALLY PUTTING OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD IN TRYING TO SELL THIS? UH, 'CAUSE IF OUR RATES ARE COMPETITIVE, I DON'T KNOW IF OUR UTILIZATION IS COMPETITIVE.
UH, WE HAVE THIS ICONIC CITY, UH, WITH SOME WEEKENDS, HALF A MILLION VISITORS.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PRETTY EASY SELL IF WE DO IT.
IF OUR RATES ARE IN LINE, MAYBE IT'S NOT A UTMOST PRIORITY.
AND HOW DO WE MAKE IT SUCH MM-HMM
UH, MR. CHAIR, I THINK YOU RAISE A VERY VALID, UH, OBSERVATION.
UM, I WILL ASK OUR ADVERTISING VENDOR, UM, OUT FRONT MEDIA TO PERHAPS THEY CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON ON THAT OBSERVATION.
UH, SO WE ACTUALLY, WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, WE JUST RELY ON, UM, THAT'S CORRECT, SIR.
COMMISSIONER BOT, UH, MIKE ENTE WITH LS ANDAL.
WE REPRESENT OUTFRONT MEDIA, UM, THE ADVERTISING COMPANY THAT OPERATES THE ADVERTISEMENTS ON YOUR TROLLEY PROGRAM.
UM, AND I'M JOINED WITH, UH, BY PABLO REKY, WHO'S THE GENERAL MANAGER FOR THE SOUTH FLORIDA REGION.
UM, I CAN SAY A COUPLE THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, THE, UH, FACT THAT YOU OBSERVED ADVERTISING ON ABOUT HALF OF THE TROLLEYS IS SIMPLY A FUNCTION OF DEMAND.
IF THE DEMANDS WERE THERE FOR MORE, UH, ADVERTISING, THERE WOULD BE MORE TROLLEYS WITH THE ADVERTISING.
UM, I CAN SAY SECONDARILY THAT OUT FRONT MEDIA HAS A PRETTY HEAVY PRESENCE IN, IN MIAMI-DADE COUNTY, AND SPECIFICALLY ON THE BEACH.
THEY ALSO OPERATE THROUGH A SEPARATE CONTRACT, YOUR BUS SHELTER PROGRAM.
AND SO THEY, UH, THEY FOCUS ON TRYING TO SORT OF CROSS SELL, RIGHT? IF AN ADVERTISER COMES IN WITH AN INTEREST IN ONE ADVERTISING MEDIUM, THEY TRY TO CROSS SELL TO THE OTHER.
THERE IS AN AGGRESSIVE EFFORT, UM, BASED ON MY CONVERSATIONS WITH OUT FRONT, AND PERHAPS PABLO CAN CAN EXPAND ON THIS, THERE HAS BEEN, UM, A DECREASE.
NUMBER ONE, THE, AS, AS JOSE MENTIONED, THE LACK OF ADVERTISING FOR ALCOHOL PRODUCTS HAS HAD A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
UH, NUMBER TWO, THE AVAILABILITY OF NEW DIGITAL ASSETS ON THE BEACH HAS ALSO PULLED SOME ADVERTISERS AWAY, WHETHER IT'S NATIONAL ADVERTISERS OR ADVERTISEMENTS FOR A CAMPAIGNS FOR LIKE A TWO WEEK EVENT OR A MONTH LONG EVENT.
WHAT HAPPENS OFTEN IS THAT THOSE, UH, ADVERTISERS WHO USED TO ADVERTISE ON THE TROLLEYS, 'CAUSE THEY WERE THE ONLY SHOW IN TOWN, UM, RECOGNIZING THAT THERE'S A COST TO INSTALLING AND THEN REMOVING ADVERTISEMENTS FROM A TROLLEY, THEY'LL LOCK FOR THE DIGITAL.
UH, BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS OUR REVENUE SPLIT THERE? UH, IF YOU GO OUT AND SELL ADVERTISING? SO I BELIEVE THE, THE, UH, THE CITY CURRENTLY REMA RETAINS 52.5%.
IS THAT RIGHT? 47 POINT A HALF OUT FRONT? CORRECT.
SO IT'S 52 POINT A HALF IN, IN FAVOR OF THE CITY.
UH, WE ARE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ON ADJUSTING THAT.
UM, BECAUSE THERE IS A CONCERTED EFFORT FROM BOTH OUT FRONT
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AND OBVIOUSLY YOUR TRANSPORTATION TEAM TO DRIVE UP, UH, REVENUE.AND, AND I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, IS THE INCENTIVE STRUCTURE PROPERLY ALIGNED? IS THIS A LARGE COMPONENT OF YOUR KIND OF BOTTOM LINE REVENUE? OR IS IT JUST LIKE AROUND THE MARGINS? IT'S AN IMPORTANT, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S LARGE IN TERMS OF RAW NUMBERS, BUT IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF, I I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS GETTING THE ATTENTION IT, IT DESERVES FROM OUR STANDPOINT MM-HMM
'CAUSE IT IS CRITICAL TO US AS PART OF A PUBLICLY TRADED, RIGHT? IT IS PUBLICLY TRADED.
IT, IT MAY BE JUST, YOU KNOW, PENNIES IN FRONT OF A STEAMROLLER FOR YOU.
UM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE CASE.
I'M, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I MAY INQUISITIVE PLEASE.
THANK YOU FOR, SO THE, THE COMPANY IS, IS A PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY WITH THE, UH, OFFICES IN THE WHOLE UNITED STATES.
UH, WE INCLUDE THE, THE TROLLEYS, UH, IN THE STATE OF THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH IN EVERY RFP AND EVERY PROPOSAL WE HAVE ON THE NATIONAL, UH, NATIONAL DEMAND.
AND, AND ALSO WE HAVE, UH, 25, UH, AES IN TWO CITIES, IN, IN TWO OFFICES IN, IN MIAMI, MIAMI AND POMPANO TO COVER ALL THE, THE, THE, THE LOCAL MARKET.
SO WE ARE, UH, TRYING TO, TO, UH, OFFER THE, THE TROLLEYS AND ALL THE INVENTORY THAT, THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH AND THE CITY OF MIAMI, ET CETERA, TO, UH, UH, ALL THE, UH, THE MARKET NOW.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED AND THANK YOU FOR THE PARTNERSHIP.
SO, UH, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, WE HAVE A FUNDING DEFICIT OF $5.4 MILLION ANNUALLY TO REDUCE THAT, UM, DEFICIT.
UH, AS PART OF THE NEW SERVICE, WE'RE EXPLORING OPTIONS.
UM, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, I WILL MENTION THAT THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY OPTIONS THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING, BUT OPTIONS THAT WE ARE PRESENTING FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
THE FIRST OPTION IS, UM, THE, WHAT, WHAT WE CALL THE BUS VERSUS TROLLEY OPTION.
UH, WHILE OUR, AND WHILE OUR RECOMMENDATION IS A TROLLEY VEHICLE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, INCLUDING THE, THE BRANDING, THE ICONIC BRANDING THAT WE'VE HAD FOR THE PAST, UH, YOU KNOW, OVER, OVER 10 YEARS, UM, IF WE, IF THE GILLICK BUS IS ULTIMATELY SELECTED, IT WILL REPRESENT AN ANNUAL COST SAVINGS OF ABOUT $500,000 ANNUALLY.
AND THAT IS, AS I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, THE FACT THAT THE TROLLEY VEHICLE HAS AN ADDITIONAL COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
IT'S, UH, THE TROLLEY PACKAGE AND IT'S ABOUT $150,000 ADDITIONAL PER VEHICLE.
BUT IN TERMS OF OPERATING SAVINGS, IT'S ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IF THAT OPTION IS EXERCISED.
THE SE THE SECOND OPTION IS TO REDUCE THE HOURS OF DAILY SERVICE.
WE CURRENTLY OPERATE FROM 8:00 AM TO 11:00 PM THAT'S FIF 15 HOURS A DAY.
IF WE WERE TO CUT THAT DOWN TO 12 HOURS A DAY, FOCUSING ON COMMUTER DEMAND, I'M SORRY, WHAT IS OUR CURRENT OPERATING SCHEDULE? 8:00 AM TO 11:00 PM IF WE WERE TO FOCUS ON COMMUTER DEMAND, UH, MEANING, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM OR 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM THEREABOUTS, UM, WE WOULD SAVE APPROXIMATELY A MILLION DOLLARS IF THE TROLLEY VEHICLE IS SELECTED AND A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS IF THE BUS, UH, GAELIC BUS VEHICLE IS SELECTED.
MR. CFO, DO, ARE RESORT TAXES GO TOWARDS THIS AT ALL, OR IS THIS, UH, THERE'S A COMBINATION THAT COMES FROM OUR RESORT TAXES? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, THERE'S TWO PLACES THAT THE T CHARLIE IS FUNDED FROM.
UH, ONE IS THE HALF PENNY SALES TAX THAT WE GET, UH, THROUGH THE COUNTY.
AND THE OTHER PORTION, WHICH IS REALLY THE UPPER PORTION, UH, THAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS THE TRANSPORTATION FUND, WHICH DOES COME FROM, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S 60% OF ONE OF THE, 1% OF THE RESORT TAX.
SO YES, THIS IS, UH, TOURISTS ARE PAYING A, A, A BIG CHUNK OF THIS BECAUSE I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT, OKAY, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS WORK? THE FIRST FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION YOU HAVE TO ASK, WHAT IS THE INTENT OF THIS? MM-HMM
IT'S VERY BROAD RANGING, BUT IS IT, IS IT FOR COMMUTERS GOING TO AND FROM WORK, IS IT TO MAKE SURE TOURISTS HAVE THIS AS AN OPTION AS OPPOSED TO GETTING IN UBERS AND IS IT TO REDUCE TRAFFIC? SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS, I GUESS OUR JOB, UH, MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE'S IS WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE GOAL OF THE PROGRAM.
DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE DATA ON RIDERSHIP BY HOUR? I MEAN, DOES, ARE THERE HOURS?
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DOES IT REALLY FALL OFF AFTER NINE O'CLOCK IN THE EVENING? IS IT REALLY USED FOR COMMUTING? I KNOW WHEN WE MAKE CHANGES TO THE BUS ROUTE, OUR SENIOR CITIZENS ARE VERY VOCAL ABOUT, UM, PRAISING CHANGES IF THEY'RE USEFUL AND CON BEING CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, THE CHANGES IF THEY'RE NOT.UM, SO I, I DON'T WANT TO CUT THE, THE SERVICE IF IT'S BEING USED EQUALLY THROUGHOUT, BUT IF IT'S REALLY NOT BEING USED AFTER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, THEN MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE EXAMINING AS WELL.
AND, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, FAMILIAR WITH, YOU KNOW, LOOKING OUTSIDE MY WINDOW AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, ARE THERE PEOPLE THAT POSSIBLY USE IT AFTER GETTING OFF A WORK SHIFT? YES, OF COURSE.
WE, WE CAN NEVER SPEAK IN ABSOLUTES, BUT WHERE'S THE MAJORITY? IS THE JUICE WORTH THE SQUEEZE? I, I HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING THAT.
UM, IF, IF I CAN SHARE, I KNOW, UM, WE'VE SPOKEN, UH, AT, AT LENGTH BEFORE, AND I'VE KNOW, SPOKEN WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT AS A, AS A FREQUENT, ANECDOTALLY AS A VERY FREQUENT USER OF THE SERVICE MYSELF, UH, YOU KNOW, WE USE IT.
UH, MY FAMILY, I USE IT TO GO TO CHURCH ON SUNDAYS.
UH, WE USE IT TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE, UH, WHEN WE HAD A MOVIE THEATER, WE USE IT TO GO TO THE MOVIES.
AND, AND AS I LIVE NEXT TO REBECCA TOWER, UM, I DO SEE IT USED, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE SENIORS ARE USING IT TO GO TO PUBLIX.
YOU USE TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE TO GO TO CHURCH.
UM, AND IF THEY HAVE HOURLY RATE, UH, HOURLY NUMBERS, THEY CAN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, LATER IN THE EVENING.
BUT IT DOES SEEM THAT THERE'S A LOT OF HEAVY USE DURING THE DAY AND IN THE EVENING, YOU KNOW, DINNER, CIRCULATION, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA GO TO DINNER, UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA DRIVE UP TO WASHINGTON AVENUE, WE'RE GONNA JUMP ON THE TROLLEY AND WE'RE GONNA USE THAT TO GO TO DINNER AND THEN COME BACK, YOU KNOW.
BUT THAT'S, UM, WE'RE AND MORE AMERICAN, SO WE PROBABLY EAT MORE IN THE FIVE TO SEVEN RANGE MORE THAN EUROPEANS ARE EATING A LOT LATER.
UH, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW WE, WE SEE THAT.
BUT DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE IT, THIS SEEMS MORE LIKE A JASON GREEN RESIDENT COMMENT THAT YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO MAKE FROM THE PODIUM.
SO, MR. CHAIR, THROUGHOUT THE YEARS WE HAVE CONDUCTED USER SURVEYS TO UNDERSTAND WHO'S USING IT AND, AND WHY.
UM, THE, WHAT, WHAT WE KNOW IS ABOUT 50 50% OF THE USERS ARE ACTUALLY, 53% ARE RESIDENTS.
AND SO THE REMAINDER ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD VISITORS OR, OR DAY TRIPPERS.
UM, ALSO 57% OF THE TRIPS ARE USED FOR LEISURE.
24% OF THE TRIPS ARE USED FOR WORK PURPOSES.
SO CURRENTLY IT, IT, IT SERVES A VARIETY OF, OF, OF PURPOSES.
AND ULTIMATELY THE GOAL IS TO PROVIDE A MOBILITY OPTION THAT IS SAFE, CONVENIENT, WHERE PEOPLE DO NOT NEED THEIR CARS, PARTICULARLY FOR CLOSED CLOSE TRIPS.
'CAUSE THIS IS AN INTERNAL CIRCULATOR SYSTEM WITHIN OUR CITY.
I THINK THE OVERALL GOAL, OBVIOUSLY IS THIS EXERCISE AS WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME AT FERC, IS TO ATTEMPT TO LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS.
UH, WE KNOW, UM, THE DIFFICULT BUDGET PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH, AND WE KNOW THAT THAT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO FIND NEW DOLLARS GOING FORWARD.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET DEPARTMENT WORKED, UM, DILIGENTLY WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, WAS VERY OPEN AND HONEST ABOUT THEIR FUND.
UM, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING AT SOME VERY HONEST, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COULD BRING DOWN THAT COST INCREASE ON THE CONTRACT TO TRY TO BRING THAT FUND WITHIN A, A MORE FUND BALANCE STRUCTURE.
AND THERE'S OTHER ELEMENTS OUTSIDE OF THIS CONTRACT IN HOW IN WOULD WE BE IF WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THE REDUCED HOURS OUT OF THE GATE, HOW LOCKED INTO THAT DECISION FOR WHAT SEVEN YEARS WE'RE PROPOSING HERE FOR THE CONTRACT? SEVEN MINIMUM BASE TERM OR SEVEN.
HOW LONG ARE WE LOCKED INTO? WE COULD NEVER INCREASE.
NO, WE COULD, YEAH, THERE'S FLEXIBILITY.
THE CONTRACT WILL HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF INCREASING HOURS, DECREASING HOURS.
WE CAN INCREASE ROUTES, DECREASE ROUTES AS NEEDED.
THESE ARE NEVER, UH, EASY DECISIONS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANOTHER CHOICE.
I MEAN, WHERE DO YOU FIND $5 MILLION? NO, I THINK, I THINK IT'S A COUPLE THINGS.
I THINK WE LOOK AT CUTTING WHATEVER THE LEASE COUPLE THE LEASE USED, UM, RIDERSHIP HOURS ARE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NINE, NINE TO 11, THEN SO BE IT.
WHATEVER WILL YOU GUYS DETERMINE? THE OTHER THING IS, UM, I KNOW THE, THE, UM, MIAMI BEACH PACKAGE TO MAKE IT LOOK AND FEEL LIKE A CUTE LITTLE MIAMI BEACH TROLLEY IS VERY APPEALING.
BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE SEEN, UM, WHAT THE COST IS TO MAYBE JUST WRAP THE EXTERIOR.
I THINK YOU SAID YOU COULDN'T WRAP IT THE FIRST YEAR BECAUSE THE PAINT WASN'T FULLY CURED, BUT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SIX MONTHS, WE, SIX MONTHS MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO.
INSTEAD OF SPENDING, I THINK IT WAS $150,000 EACH, EACH, UM, TROLLEY FOR THE FULL PACKAGE TO SIMULATE, UM, THE LOOK AND FEEL OF, OF SOMETHING HISTORIC AND, YOU KNOW, CHARMING AND ESPECIALLY, OR, OR NOT EVEN, NOT EVEN HISTORIC AND CHARMING, BUT SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY SIGNIFIES MIAMI BEACH.
AND SO IF WE CAN DO THAT FOR SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN $150,000 A YEAR, BUT STILL BRANDS
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IT AS A MIAMI BEACH TROLLEY, I THINK THAT'S A WIN AS WELL.IT ALSO GIVES US A, A CONVERSATION, AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, UM, THE FOLKS IN THE MARKETING DEPARTMENT ABOUT WHAT DO WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE, WHAT DO WE WANNA COMMUNICATE HERE? YOU KNOW, IS IT DON'T BE ROUGH ON THE BAY OR IS IT, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE YOU HIT THESE AWESOME DESTINATIONS.
IT IT GIVES US A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE MONEY BETTER USED.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THEN IS THE, THE BUS, BECAUSE IT WAS A, THE, THE TROLLEY, WHICH WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THE MORE EXPENSIVE OPTION, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO IT'S THE BUS, IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT THE BUS, WHICH DOES SAVE, WHAT WAS THE 150,000 PER VEHICLE HALF A, BUT IF WE MOVE FROM THE TROLLEY, WE MOVE FROM THE TROLLEY DOWN TO THE, UM, HALF, HALF A MILLION A YEAR.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S SAVINGS THERE.
SO IF THERE'S THE OPTION, 'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONE OF THE IMPORTANT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR ARE, UM, CRITICAL PATH ISSUES THAT LET US EXECUTE THE CONTRACT, WHICH IS THE TYPE OF VEHICLE AND NUMBER OF VEHICLES.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE NO GO DECISION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE HERE TODAY.
IT'S GOOD THAT WE CAN GET THAT APPROVAL FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION SO THEY CAN MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS IMMEDIATELY AND BEGIN SAVING MONEY.
UH, BUT THERE'S ARE, I, I BELIEVE THERE'S, THERE'S OPTIONS THAT IF THERE'S MONEY FOUND IN THE FUTURE, WE COULD RAMP UP THOSE HOURS.
BUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IS, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SPECIFIC VEHICLE TYPE THAT'S GONNA BE APPROVED AND THE NUMBER OF, SO YEAH, I MEAN I, I'LL, I DON'T WANNA, UM, CO-OP THE CHAIR'S PREROGATIVE, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE, WE, UM, BITE, BULLET A LITTLE BIT AND TAKE THE LESS EXPENSIVE OPTION AND LOOK AT DIFFERENT WAYS OF CUTTING FURTHER.
UM, I THINK THE TWO THINGS THAT RESIDENTS CARE ABOUT THE MOST IS MAKING SURE THE BUSES ARE KNEELING BUSES SO PEOPLE CAN, CAN GET ON AND OFF EASILY.
UM, AND, UH, THAT THEY'RE SAFE AND CLEAN, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, AND THAT THEY EMIT AS AS FEW EMISSIONS AND PARTICULATE MATTER AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE THAT IS ALSO PRETTY NASTY.
SO I THINK UNDERSTOOD, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY FROM THE PRIOR PRESENTATION, THE BUS HITS ALL OF THOSE METRICS.
IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE, IT'S FLEXIBLE IN WRAPPING POTENTIAL DOWN THE ROAD.
AND, UM, IT IS NOT ALL THE WAY TO COMPLETELY GREEN, BUT IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCES THE PARTICULATE MATTER THAT COMES OUT OF IT.
I WISH WE COULD BE ALL THINGS TO EVERYBODY.
BUT I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE'RE GONNA BE NO THINGS TO NOBODY IF WE CAN'T FUND THIS.
SO, SO JOSE, I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST TWO, RIGHT? SO, SO WE, WE'VE DEALT WITH IT BEING THE BUS, THE SAVE MONEY VERSUS THE TROLLEY AND THE REDUCED SERVICE HOURS, AT LEAST INITIALLY AT 1.5 MILLION.
I THINK YOU HAVE TWO OTHER, AT LEAST TWO OTHER YES.
UH, OPTIONS LEFT OFF ON OPTION THREE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO FUND A $5 MILLION DELTA, AND WE'VE, WE'RE TRYING, I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BRING IT DOWN AS, AS LOW AS POSSIBLE.
THIS IS GONNA GET US A LOT OF THE WAY, 'CAUSE THE FUND DOES HAVE FUND BALANCE TO COVER THROUGH, BUT
AND WE GOT TO, WHAT, ONE AND A HALF OR $2 MILLION? WE'RE TWO SO FAR.
$2 MILLION THROUGH THESE TWO INITIATIVES.
LET'S, OKAY, I'M NOT GONNA STOP YOU ANYMORE.
LET'S MAKE THE SAME PROGRESS WITH IT.
AND I, AND I'D BE REMISS IF, IF I DON'T SAY THAT JUST BASED ON HISTORICAL PATTERNS.
WHENEVER WE REDUCE HOURS, RIDERSHIP GOES DOWN.
AS AN EXAMPLE, PRIOR TO THE PANDEMIC, WE WERE OPERATING 18 HOURS A DAY.
WE HAD OVER 5 MILLION PASSENGERS A YEAR AFTER THE PANDEMIC.
WE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF HOURS FROM UM, EIGHT, FROM 18 TO 15.
AND WE SAW A, A DECREASE IN RIDERSHIP FROM 5 MILLION TO THREE AND A HALF.
I WE'RE, WE'RE CURRENTLY AT ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MILLION A YEAR.
I WOULD SUGGEST, LET'S LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT THERE'S A CORE USER GROUP THAT WILL ALWAYS USE THE TROLLEY, RIGHT? THE PEOPLE HERE FOR A COUPLE DAYS, THE SENIORS WHO USE IT AND, AND I THINK IT'S A PHENO PHENOMENAL AMENITY FOR FOLKS WHO USE IT.
BUT THERE'S ALSO, NOW WHAT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE PANDEMIC, PRE PANDEMIC AND IMMEDIATELY POST PANDEMIC IS THAT PEOPLE ARE USING SCOOTERS ALL THE TIME AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN, HADN'T BEEN PRIOR TO THIS, RIGHT? SO THEY HAVE BIGGER, LIKE A MILLION DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF SCOOTERS.
SO I WOULD NOT BE SHOCKED TO LEARN THAT PEOPLE WHO USED TO TAKE THE TROLLEY DOWN FROM NORTH BEACH DOWN TO SOUTH BEACH TO GET TO WORK NOW, JUST TAKE THEIR SCOOTERS AND GET DOWN TO WORK.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A DIRECT CAUSATION AND I DON'T WANT US TO, TO BE LOCKED INTO THAT WAY OF THINKING BECAUSE THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHER VARIABLES.
SO, UM, WE ALSO HAVE EXTENDED THE FREEBIE SERVICES, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND, AND THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE CONVERSATION THAT I'M SURE WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE AT SOME TIME.
BUT, BUT THAT IS BASICALLY, IF YOU LIVE WITHIN THE FREEBIES SERVICE AREA, YOU CAN CALL UP A FREEBIE AND IF YOU'VE GOT THE TIME TO, TO BE FLEXIBLE, YOU CAN USE THAT.
AND SOME MIGHT FIND THAT MORE APPEALING THAN A TROLLEY.
SO IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ONLY, YOU KNOW, YOU REDUCE THE HOURS, YOU REDUCE THE RIDERSHIP.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT PLAYING INTO THAT, WHICH IS WHY I WANNA COME BACK TO WHO'S USING THE TROLLEY WHEN, SO WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION, TRY TO KEEP IT GOING FOR AS MANY PEOPLE AS OFTEN AS THEY NEED IT.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, CUT OUT THE,
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THE LOW HANGING FRUIT.AND, AND I'M GONNA VENTURE THAT BY THE TIME WE GET HALFWAY THROUGH THIS CONTRACT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AUTONOMOUS ROBO TAXIS THAT ARE AT LEAST SOME PART, IF NOT A CRITICAL ELEMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IN OUR CITY THAT I THINK IS GOING TO SOMEWHAT REDUCE SOME OF THE DEMAND OR IMPACT ON SOME OF THESE SERVICES.
I'M JUST WAITING TO SEE SOMEBODY FIGURE OUT HOW TO HIJACK THOSE LITTLE DELIVERY BOTS AND JUST REPROGRAM THEM TO TAKE THEM.
LIKE SIT ON IT AND JUST TAKE IT WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.
DON'T KEEP PEOPLE PERSONALIZE MOBILITY.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, WE LEFT OFF ON THE THIRD OPTION.
THIRD OPTION CONSISTS OF, UM, REDUCING THE NUMBER OF SPARE VEHICLES THAT WE PURCHASE.
WE ARE REQUIRED BY STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS TO HAVE A 20% SPARE RATIO.
AND THAT WOULD BE ABOUT A TOTAL OF, UM, FIVE VEHICLES.
BUT WHAT WE COULD DO IS ONLY PURCHASE TWO NEW SPARES AND USE THREE OF THE BEST, UH, EXISTING TROLLEYS THAT WE HAVE.
THEY WOULD BE THE LOW FLOORS, OF COURSE.
AND, AND USE THOSE AS AS SPARES.
AND SO, AND HOW, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS YOU DO, RIGHT? HOW IMPACTFUL IS THAT GOING TO BE ON OUR SERVICES? HOW OFTEN ARE WE ACTUALLY UTILIZING THE SPARE FLEET? WELL, CURRENTLY WE HAVE QUITE A NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE SPARES.
UH, WE HAVE ABOUT 33 VEHICLES AND ONLY 21 IN SERVICE.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF SPARE VEHICLES.
UM, BUT HOW, HOW OFTEN DO WE KIND OF, THEY'RE ROTATED TAP INTO THAT? THEYRE, THEY'RE USED ALL THE TIME.
THEY'RE NOT JUST PARKED IN IN A LOT.
IT'S OVER, SOME VEHICLES ARE OVER 10.
THE ONES THAT WE WOULD KEEP ARE SLIGHTLY NEWER.
I WANNA SAY THEY'RE FROM 20 17, 20 16, 20 17 THEREABOUTS.
UH, BUT, BUT NEVERTHELESS, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, ALMOST 10 YEARS OLD AND THEY'RE UP THERE IN MILES AND THEY'RE SHOWING THEIR WEAR AND TEAR.
THEY ARE BREAKING MORE, UH, FREQUENTLY.
BUT AGAIN, BUT EVEN IF WE GOT PART OF THE WAY THROUGH THIS CONTRACT WHERE WE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, THESE ARE ACTUALLY, UH, THIS SPARE FLEET THAT WE'RE, UM, GOING TO UTILIZE FOR COST SAVINGS IF IN YEAR THREE OR FOUR THEY'VE JUST LIVED OUTLIVED THEIR USEFUL LIFE AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO, THEN WE CAN ADDRESS THAT KIND OF ON AN INTERMITTENT BASIS, CORRECT? MM-HMM
IF THERE'S MORE OF A, IF THERE'S, I THINK IF THERE'S, UM, SERIOUS RELIABILITY ISSUES, UM, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING REVISITED IF WE FIND DOLLARS ONE TIME DOLLARS TO BUY ADDITIONAL VEHICLES.
THEY'VE OBVIOUSLY NEGOTIATED A NEW PRICE.
IT WON'T BE THE PRICES THAT ARE SET HERE.
BUT THEN I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS JUST LIKE WHEN YOU BUY A NEW CAR, YOU DON'T HAVE ISSUES FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, RIGHT? SO HOPEFULLY THESE SPARES WILL BE SITTING THERE ON UTILIZED FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS UNTIL, UM, EXISTING MONTHS.
SO IF, IF, UM, IT'S, SO IF WE ONLY PURCHASE TWO, TWO SPARES INSTEAD OF FIVE, WE WOULD SAVE $600,000 A YEAR IF THE TROLLEY VEHICLE IS SELECTED AND, UH, $1.2 MILLION A YEAR IF THE BUS IS SELECTED PER, HOLD ON.
SO WHAT WOULD BE OUR CUMULATIVE SAVINGS? UH, WE'RE UP TO THREE POINT.
IF YOU ACCEPTED, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE GOING WITH THE BUS, THE REDUCED SERVICE HOURS AND REDUCING THE SPARE PURCHASE, YOU'RE UP TO 3.2.
AND THERE'S ONE MORE, UH, OPTION DOLLAR VALUE ONE.
AND THEN LAST OPTION, THE LAST OPTION, UH, WOULD BE TO PURCHASE SMALLER VEHICLES.
GILI OFFERS BOTH THE TROLLEY AND THE BUSES IN TWO DIFFERENT SIZE.
ACTUALLY SEVERAL DIFFERENT SIZES.
UM, BUT THE ONES THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR OUR SERVICE WOULD BE EITHER THE 30 FOOT OR THE 40 FOOT.
UH, THE ADMINISTRATION'S ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION IS A 40 FOOT VEHICLE.
HOWEVER, WE COULD, UH, PURCHASE 30 FOOT VEHICLES.
THE CAPACITY OF THE VEHICLE WOULD BE, UH, LESS OF COURSE FOR PASSENGERS.
THE 30 FOOT VEHICLE WOULD ACCOMMODATE 24 PASSENGERS VERSUS THE 40 FOOT VEHICLE ACCOMMODATES 40.
AGAIN, OUR SYSTEM IS A ROBUST MASS TRANSIT SYSTEM THAT CARRIES MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.
SO, BUT WE THINK THAT WITH A 30 FOOT VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, WE, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LIVE WITH, UH, IF THIS OPTION IS EXERCISED.
I ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF AND, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT AN EXPERT, THIS IS JUST ANECDOTAL.
UH, I SEE A LOT OF BENEFIT FROM A SMALLER, MORE NIMBLE FLEET, UH, JUST IN TERMS OF THE BACKUP THAT IT CAUSES IN TRAFFIC.
UH, I GET THAT THIS IS A CRITICAL ELEMENT, BUT IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN ALTON ROAD MM-HMM
I'M REALLY NOT CONVINCING SOME, SOMETIMES THE TROLLEYS AREN'T, ARE, ARE CAUSING MORE TRAFFIC THAN THEY'RE ACTUALLY ALLEVIATING.
I GET THAT THEY ARE, UH, REQUIRED SERVICE FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANNA RELY ON A CAR.
UM, BUT THE LARGER BUSES THAT WE HAVE, UH, I THINK THAT THERE IS A, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER IMPACT ON HOW THEY'RE BACKING UP SOME TRAFFIC, UH, ON SOME OF OUR KEY COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS POINT WELL TAKEN.
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OPTION IS EX WELL NOT WELL, UH, WOULD YOU DISAGREE OR IN LINE? WELL, FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT OUR SYSTEM CARRIES, IT NEEDS A, A, A LARGER VEHICLE THAN, THAN MOST.UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS AN OUTCOME OF AN OPTIMIZATION STUDY THAT WE CONDUCTED MM-HMM
A COUPLE YEARS AGO THAT REALLY SCRUTINIZED OUR SYSTEM AND, YOU KNOW, WAYS OF, OF VALUE ENGINEERING IT AND TRYING TO MAKE IT BETTER.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY, THAT CAME OUT OF THAT STUDY WAS THAT WE NEED A MASS TRANSIT VEHICLE.
YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A BUS OR A TROLLEY DOESN'T REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
SO FOR THIS ONE, IT NEEDS TO BE FOR THIS OPTION DOORS.
HOW, HOW OFTEN ARE TROLLEYS AT CAPACITY OR IF WE GO WITH THE SMALLER VEHICLE, UM, ARE, ARE THE TROLLEYS OFTEN AT A CAPACITY? THAT ONE IS ABOVE OUR EXISTING CAPACITY, RIGHT? SO DO WE HAVE A LOT OF TIMES WHERE PEOPLE ARE WAITING IN LINE AND WE'RE SEPARATING THE BUSES? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS IS A BUS ISSUE, BUT IS IT OFTEN PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR TROLLEYS AND A TROLLEY GOES BY AND IT IS JUST TUPAC THEY CAN'T GET ON? THAT HAS NEVER BEEN MY EXPERIENCE.
BUT I WELCOME EVERYBODY TO CHIME IN.
SO THERE'S ONE ROUTE IN PARTICULAR, OR COLLINS EXPRESS, WHICH IS WHAT I CALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE WORKHORSE OF, OF OUR SYSTEM.
THAT, THAT ROUTE IS OFTEN AT CAPACITY WITH PEOPLE WAITING.
AND A COMPLAINT THAT WE DO REGULARLY RECEIVE IS THAT THE TROLLEY PASSED BY AND DIDN'T PICK ME UP.
AND IT'S BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S AT CAPACITY, UH, THAT HAPPENS MORE OFTEN ON THE COLLINS EXPRESS.
UM, THEN DURING PEAK PERIODS, WE DO HAVE TIMES WHERE EVERY TROLL I'VE BEEN IN SOME OF THESE IS THERE IS WAY TO HAVE A HYBRID FLEET WHERE WE MAINTAIN HOWEVER MANY TROLLEYS OR BUSES ARE NEEDED FOR THAT ROUTE OR OTHER ROUTES THAT WE NEED A LARGER CAPACITY.
BUT FOR SOME OF OUR OTHER ROUTES THAT ARE LESS UTILIZED, WE'D GO WITH THE SMALLER, LESS COST IMPACTFUL WE COULD, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT ROUTE BY ROUTE TO SEE WHAT THE, RATHER THAN A ONE SIZE FITS ALL, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT INITIALLY WAS PROPOSED SENSE.
SO JOSE, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT LIKE THE THREE CIRCULATORS, UH, BEING IN THE SMALLER VEHICLE WHERE THE COLLINS EXPRESS WOULD BE THE LARGER VEHICLE? YES.
SO MAYBE WE DON'T GET $200,000 OF COST SAVINGS, BUT IF WE CAN GET $130,000 OF COST SAVINGS AND NOT REDUCE THE CAPACITY FOR THE ROUTES THAT ARE ALREADY AT CAPACITY, I THINK THAT'S A WIN-WIN.
SO THIS, UH, THIS SLIDE SUMMARIZES OH, THANK YOU PJ.
SO THIS SLIDE SUMMARIZES THE FOUR OPTIONS.
KEY TAKEAWAY IF, UM, AND I KNOW OUR CFO IS DOING THE MATH IN REAL TIME
UM, IF THE GILLICK TROLLEY IS SELECTED AS THE VEHICLE TO $3.4 MILLION PER YEAR, THESE ARE, IF THE GILLICK BUS IS, UH, IS SELECTED, IF I CAN, YOU KNOW, KEEPING SCORE AT HOME, AS YOU KNOW, I, I WAS OBVIOUSLY, I BELIEVE THAT, 'CAUSE I'M ALSO TRYING TO CRAFT YOUR MOTION, UH, IS THAT IT WAS THE BUS TO SAVE THE HALF A MILLION, THE REDUCED SERVICE HOURS, THE REDUCED THE SPARES.
BUT KIND OF SPLITTING THE BABY ON NUMBER FOUR, I WILL GIVE IT THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ESTIMATE.
'CAUSE IT HAS BEEN NEGOTIATED.
UM, IS THAT THERE WOULD BE THE SMALLER BUSES ON THE CIRCULATOR ROUTES AND KEEPING THE LARGER BUSES ON THE, UM, THAT'S FINE.
SO THAT WOULD BE $3.3 MILLION RIGHT THERE, WHICH GETS US SUBSTANTIALLY THERE.
AND I, AND I, UM, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE ELEMENTS, UH, THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AREN'T REALLY PART OF THIS ABOUT THE FUND OVERALL.
UM, THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME COST SAVINGS, REDUCING STUDIES AND SOME OTHER COSTS INTERNAL TO THE FUND.
UM, AND THEN I KNOW YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, UM, SO THAT THAT'S GONNA REALLY AMELIORATE A LOT OF THE, THE FUND ISSUES, BUT THERE ARE SOME MORE THAT THEY'RE GONNA GO THROUGH.
AND I THINK YOU WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT YES.
'CAUSE THERE'S A, AN IMPORTANT CAVEAT, UH, THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT IN THERE.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE.
UM, THE COUNTY REQUIRES EVERY MUNICIPALITY IN MIAMI-DADE THAT OPERATES A MUNICIPAL CIRCULATOR ROUTE TO EXECUTE AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGENCY AGREEMENT.
BECAUSE BY HOME RULE, CHARTER BY COUNTY CODE, THE CODE HA THE COUNTY HAS JURISDICTION OVER TRANSIT OPERATIONS AS WELL IN MIAMI-DADE COUNTY.
SO WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY, UH, THEY APPROACHED US, UM, CLEARLY WE WOULD NEED THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THEM, BUT THEY APPROACHED US VERY SPECIFICALLY TO, TO, UH, WITH THE GOAL OF ELIMINATING, AVOIDING ANY DUPLICATION BETWEEN THEIR SERVICE AND OUR SERVICE.
SO THEY'RE GOING THROUGH A VERY COMPREHENSIVE EVALUATION.
THEY'RE DOING THIS WITH EVERY MUNICIPALITY
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IN MIAMI-DADE THAT HAS A MUNICIPAL THAT OPERATES A MUNICIPAL CIRCULATOR TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT DUPLICATION.WHO TAKES PRECEDENCE? THE COUNTY ISSUES.
THE COUNTY'S ROUTES, IF THERE IS A BUS ROUTE THAT OPERATES ALONG THE SAME ROUTE AS A MUNICIPAL ROUTE THAT THE, THE COUNTIES HAS A PRIORITY.
SO, UM, THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE ONGOING.
WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL BE, BUT, UM, THEY HOLD THE CARDS.
SO IF THERE'S ANY CIRCULATOR ROUTE, CURRENT, CURRENT OR UNDER THE, THE, THE NEW CONTRACT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME ROUTES, WE WOULD CONTINUE THE SAME ROUTES.
IF THERE'S ANY ROUTE THAT THEY ARE NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH, THEY HAVE THE PREROGATIVE TO DENY THAT.
AND THEN CLEARLY WE WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A SAVINGS BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT BE OPERATING THAT ROUTE.
WE WOULD NOT NEED TO PURCHASE THOSE VEHICLES.
AND, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CLOSE THE GAP.
SO NOW THE, UH, THE FORECAST THAT OUR CFO WAS REFERRING TO, THE BUDGET DEPARTMENT FORECASTED THE TRANSPORTATION FUND FOR THE NEXT, UH, SIX YEARS.
UH, THIS FORECAST INCLUDES ALL OUR CURRENT PROGRAMS AND SERVICES.
UH, HOWEVER, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE, AND I JUST WANNA STATE IT FOR THE RECORD, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE SOME OF THE ONE-TIME OPERATING ENHANCEMENTS THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR 26.
THOSE INCLUDE THE WATER TAXI $600,000 TO MATCH THE FDOT GRANT FOR, FOR THE WATER TAXI, THE ART WEEK TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE AMOUNT OF $388,000.
THE, UH, MID-SIZE SHUTTLE FOR SENIOR, UH, RESIDENTS TO TAKE THEM TO THE WALMART.
AND THE MAINTENANCE OF BIKE LANES.
JOSE, JOSE, TELL ME WHAT HAPPENS FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND? YEAH, BETWEEN 28 AND 29.
SO IN 29, OBVIOUSLY WE, UH, WE'VE FALL INTO THE, THE RED, WE'RE AT A DEFICIT THERE.
ESSENTIALLY THE SURPLUS RUNS UP.
WHAT IF WHAT YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE ACCELERATION, WHY IT APPEARS ACCELERATING, THE REASON IT'S, OH, SORRY, I GOT THAT PART.
WHY? WELL, BECAUSE ARE, ARE WE OPERATING AT, WE ARE SPENDING DEFICIT EVERY SINGLE MORE THAN SOMETHING HAPPENS WHERE WE STAY ON THE SAME TRACK IN 26, 27, WE REDUCE BY $5 MILLION IN 28, AND THEN WE REDUCE EACH YEAR BY $5 MILLION.
WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN ARE WE RUNNING AT A $5 MILLION DEFICIT? IS IT, IS IT BECAUSE OF THE TROLLEY? AND NOW WE'VE ESSENTIALLY JUST, UH, LOOK AT THE SAME CHART BUT ADD THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ONTO EACH OF THESE? NO, NO.
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS IF THE CONTRACT WAS APPROVED WITHOUT ANY OF THESE FUNDING, UH, OPERATIONAL REDUCTIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IF THEY APPROVED TO EVERYTHING WITH THE TROLLEY AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, AND WHAT REASON YOU'RE SEEING AN ACCELERATION IN THE, IN THE, UM, UTILIZATION OF THAT FUND BALANCE IS BECAUSE ALL THE BUSES DON'T COME ONLINE.
THEY COME IN, IN, IN TRANCHES, AS IT WERE.
SO YOU'RE SEEING AN ACCELERATION IN, IN THAT TRANSITION.
THIS THE OVERALL TRANSPORTATION.
RIGHT? SO HE HAS MULTIPLE SLIDES SHOWING WHERE WE WOULD GET TO BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS.
WHAT IS DRIVING THIS PRIMARILY IS OUR NEW COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE TROLLEY.
SO THIS CHART IS GOING TO BE DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT.
STILL GONNA SEE THE SAME TRENDS, BUT NOT AS ACCELERATED, GIVEN THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF COST SAVINGS FOR EACH SERVICE.
SO, SO THAT ONE IS IF YOU APPROVE THE CONTRACT WITHOUT ANY OF THESE ADJUSTMENTS, THE BIGGER BUSES, THE, THE HIGHER THE NUMBER OF SPARES.
SO, SO BY, SO RIGHT HERE IN 28, THE FUND WILL HAVE THEORETICALLY, LET'S CALL IT A SURPLUS OF $7 MILLION.
IN 29, IT'LL HAVE A SURPLUS OF A MILLION AND A HALF.
IN 30, IT'LL HAVE A SURPLUS OR A DEFICIT THEN OF THREE AND A HALF.
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS WHAT THE FUND BALANCE IS THAT IS AVAILABLE.
THIS CONTRACT WILL CAUSE A STRUCTURAL DEFICIT.
RIGHT NOW IT'S ABOUT A BALANCE BUDGET.
UH, WHEN YOU HAVE THIS, UH, IF YOU IMPLEMENTED THIS CONTRACT AS IS WITHOUT THESE CHANGES, IT HAS, IT, IT MAKES A VERY LARGE STRUCTURAL DEFICIT THAT ACCELERATES FOR, AND IT TAKES ABOUT TWO OR THREE YEARS FOR THE FULL WEIGHT OF THE CONTRACT TO COME INTO EFFECT.
SO THIS WOULD SHOW IS THAT THE TRANSPORTATION FUND WOULD BE COMPLETELY OUTTA MONEY BY THE 2029 IF NO CHANGES ARE MADE.
BUT IF WE DO IMPLEMENT THESE SAVINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE, THEN THIS CHART CHANGES DRAMATICALLY EXCHANGE.
AND I HAVE SOME OF THOSE SCENARIOS ALREADY, NOT WITH THE REAL TIME NUMBERS THAT WE JUST, BUT EVOLVE FOR EX UH, OPTIONS OR EXERCISE.
BUT BEFORE WE GET THERE, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE DID WAS REALLY LOOK INTO OUR, OUR CURRENT PROGRAM BUDGET AND SEE WHERE
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WE CAN CUT.AND SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED, UM, POTENTIALLY FOUR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS WHERE SOME CUTS, UH, MAY BE, UH, POSSIBLE.
AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS THESE TODAY.
THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, TO PUT THIS ON, ON YOUR RADAR.
NUMBER TWO, UH, IF THOSE ARE THE DIGITAL BOARDS THAT YOU GUYS PUT IN FRONT OF MY APARTMENT, UH, JUST TO MESSAGE ME EVERY MONTH, UH, COUNT ME INTO GETTING RID OF THOSE.
UM, SO, UH, YES, THESE FOUR PROGRAMS TOTAL TO ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY THAT, THAT, UH, WE WOULD SAVE.
AND SOME OF THESE COSTS WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE ELIMINATED, IF YOU WILL, BUT THEY WOULD BE PERHAPS REDUCED, TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT WITH A, YOU KNOW, WITH A LARGER BUDGET THAT CAN ABSORB.
UM, SO THIS, UH, IF WE TAKE THIS, THESE SAVINGS INTO ACCOUNT AND WE EXERCISE THE FOUR OPTIONS, THE FOUR COST SAVINGS OPTIONS, THEN THIS WOULD BE THE SCENARIO, THE, THE FORECAST, IF THE TROLLEY VEHICLE, THE 40 FOOT TROLLEY VEHICLE IS SELECTED.
SO UNDER THIS SCENARIO, WE WOULD, UH, GO INTO A DEFICIT IN FISCAL YEAR 31.
SO WE WOULD ALREADY BE EXTENDING THE LIFE OF THE TRANSPORTATION FUND A FEW MORE YEARS.
AND THEN IF THE GILLICK BUS OPTION IS ULTIMATELY SELECTED, AS WELL AS ALL FOUR OPTIONS, UM, WE WOULD REMAIN CASHFLOW POSITIVE BEYOND 2031.
SO I THINK THE IMPORTANT ELEMENT HERE IS THIS ONE UP HERE IS KIND OF WHAT YOU DISCUSSED TODAY, BUT IT, WHAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE IS, SO NOT ONLY WOULD IT INCLUDE, AND AGAIN I'M TRYING TO DRAFT A, A MOTION HERE IS, YOU KNOW, IS, UH, UTILIZING THE GAELIC BUSES, REDUCING THE SERVICE HOURS, REDUCING THE, THE SPARE VEHICLE PURCHASE USING THE SMALLER BUSES ON CIRCULATOR ROUTES.
UM, THERE WAS, WE ALSO DISCUSSED THAT THE COLLINS EXPRESS BUS PURCHASE WOULD BE CONTINGENT UPON COUNTY APPROVAL.
BECAUSE JUST AS A SIDE NOTE, IF THE COUNTY DOESN'T APPROVE THAT, WHICH WOULD NOT BE GOOD FOR THE OVERALL SYSTEM, 'CAUSE IT IS OUR MOST UTILIZED, UH, TROLLEY THAT IS HOW MUCH? 3.8 MILLION, 3.8 MILLION THAT ALONE WOULD CAUSE US, YOU KNOW, TO TO, TO SOLVE THE ISSUE.
WE'RE HOPING THAT DOESN'T COME TO FRUITION AND WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP ALL FOUR ROUTES AND THE FOUR ITEMS THAT HE HAD SPOKEN ABOUT, WHICH ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, REDUCING SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS AND WE CAN MIX AND MATCH THAT.
WE TALKED ABOUT REDUCING STUDIES BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CAPITAL DOLLARS IN EFFECT.
BUT IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT FOUR ONES, 'CAUSE THERE'S ONE SPECIFICALLY I WANNA POINT OUT THAT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT, UM, THAT PEOPLE WOULD SEE.
AND THIS IS REDU REMOVING THE DUPLICATIVE SERVICES THAT I WANT YOU TO SPEAK JOSE A. LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT FOURTH ELEMENT 'CAUSE THAT COULD CAUSE SOME CONSTERNATION.
BUT THERE ARE DUPLICATIVE SERVICES OF A SPECIFIC ONLY TO SENIOR FREEBIE PROGRAM.
AND THIS IS THE ONE, ONE OF THE ONES I BELIEVE RUNS FROM REBECCA TOWERS TO PUBLIX, WHICH IS DUPLICATIVE OF THE TROLLEY THAT DOES THAT.
I I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION TODAY.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
UM, IT COULD BE DONE THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS AND WE COULD PUT THESE AS, UH, RECOMMENDED EFFICIENCY REDUCTIONS IN THE NEXT BUDGET PROCESS.
BUT THE CHARGE WAS TO COME BACK WITH A PLAN TO, TO GET US STRUCTURALLY IN A LONG TERM AND LET'S CALL IT BEYOND FIVE YEARS ACTUARILY SOUND.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT THOSE FOUR.
UH, BUT I, I THINK THAT THOSE ARE ALL ELEMENTS THAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE 27 BUDGET PROCESS.
BUT TO MOVE THIS CONTRACT FORWARD, WHICH IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO TODAY, IS IF I CAN RETURN TO COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION, APPROVE THE CONTRACT IN SUBSTANTIAL FORM, UTILIZING GILLICK BUSES, REDUCE SERVICE HOURS, REDUCE THE SPARE VEHICLE PURCHASE, USE SMALLER BUSES ON CIRCULATOR ROUTES, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COLLINS EXPRESS BUS PURCHASE IS CONTINGENT UPON COUNTY APPROVAL.
IF THAT'S THE, THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, I HATE BEING A POLITICIAN, BUT RE CAN WE PUT MAKE MORE EFFICIENT SERVICE HOURS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, YOU START TALKING ABOUT REDUCING, UH, A A, A KID, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THESE ARE GOING TO BE UH, UH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT THIS AS PART OF THE MOTION, BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE A PLAN.
WE'VE HEARD IT, THE COMMISSION.
AND WE KNOW THAT THERE WON'T BE A BUNCH OF DOLLARS AVAILABLE.
WE CAN'T NECESSARILY, WE WANNA WORK THAT WE DON'T NEED THE GENERAL FUND TO SUBSIDIZE THIS FUND.
IT MAY HAVE TO AT SOME POINT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT TODAY.
AND NOT ONLY DO WE NOT HAVE TO DO IT TODAY, BUT WHEN WE WALKED IN HERE, ESSENTIALLY THE CONTRACT WOULD LEAVE US WITH A $5 MILLION OPERATING DEFICIT IN OUR TRANSPORTATION FUND.
SO NOW WE GOT DOWN TO REDUCING THAT BY, LET'S CALL IT THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
SO A MILLION AND A HALF THAT MAKES THE OVERALL
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FUND MUCH MORE SUSTAINABLE.WE STILL WANT TO TRY AND BRIDGE THAT GAP.
BUT THAT CAN BE FUNDED AS OF NOW, LET'S SAY WE'RE NOT ABLE TO FIND ANOTHER DOLLAR OF EFFICIENCY THAT CAN BE FUNDED OUT OF THE SURPLUS, THE ONGOING SURPLUS AND THE TRANSPORTATION FUND.
AND THAT WON'T HAVE TO BE SUPPLEMENTED BY THE GENERAL FUND, UH, CORRECT CHAIR.
AND WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IS THAT WE LOOK VERY CLOSELY 'CAUSE AS, AS JOSE, 'CAUSE WE LIKE TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT ON THIS, IS THAT THIS WORKS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS APPROVED THE, THE WATER TAXI FOR ONE YEAR.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE WITH THAT, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY, WITH, UH, CITY OF MIAMI, CITY OF MIAMI DA TO HELP SPREAD THAT 600,000 TO TRY TO GET THAT DOWN.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS WORKING FORWARD TO BRING THIS INTO A STRUCTURAL SOUND SITUATION.
BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS MOTION MOVING FORWARD, THIS CONTRACT TO MOVE US FORWARD WILL BE, UH, SUFFICIENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO MAKE SURE THESE PROGRAMS MOVE FORWARD.
SO IF, IF THAT IS THE MOTION OF IS ACCEPTABLE, UM, I BELIEVE I HAVE TO SHOW COMMISSIONER BOT MAKING THAT MOTION BASED ON THE, I MAKE IT, UH, THIS, WHEN THE TRANSPORTATION FUND WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED, WHAT IN JUNE OF OUR BUDGET RETREAT.
AND THAT GAVE ME GREAT AGITA OF SOMEHOW TRYING TO FIND JUST $5 MILLION IN AN ALREADY STREAMED BUDGET PROCESS.
SO I THINK YOU AND YOUR TEAM, UH, OUR PARTNER HERE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH THE RFP, UH, FOR MAKING THIS MUCH MORE DIGESTIBLE.
UM, IN ANY CASE, WOULD WE LOVE TO DO ALL OF THESE THINGS? OF COURSE.
UH, BUT I THINK THIS IS REALLY OPTIMIZING OUR BANG FOR THE BUCK.
SO WE'LL SHOW YOU SECONDING THE MOTION.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, YOU MAY JUST, JUST ONE POINT SLASH REQUEST.
UM, AS YOU WILL RECALL, THE PRICING THAT WE RECEIVED FROM GILLIG, WHICH IS THE BUS MANUFACTURER, I THINK CAME IN FEBRUARY WITH AN EXPIRATION DATE OF AUGUST, UH, LIMOUSINES OF SOUTH FLORIDA, MANAGED TO LEVERAGE THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH GILLIG TO EXTEND THAT ANOTHER 60 DAYS.
SO THAT EXPIRES AT THE END OF THE MONTH, JUST RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT THIS ITEM BE PLACED ON THE OCTOBER COMMISSION AGENDA.
I, I BELIEVE AGAIN, WE HAVE OUR MOTION, SO GREAT.
THAT'S NOT FROM OUT FROM MEDIA.
THAT YOU'RE WEARING A DIFFERENT HAT.
UH, HOW ABOUT WE DO O OB 1, 2, 3.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO O 1, 2, 3, 3.
WE HAVE A HARD STOP AT ONE 15.
SO WE ARE GONNA DO OB 1, 2, 3 IN 15 MINUTES.
I'M GONNA READ 'EM QUICKLY WHILE THEY COME UP.
OB WERE, UM, IS THAT, WHO IS THE SPONSOR OF THOSE? THE, THEY'RE VARIOUS, UH, COMMISSIONER SUAREZ YOURSELF, COMMISSIONER BOT.
SO MAYBE WE WON'T DO THE I HOW ABOUT OB FIVE AND MB ONE BECAUSE YOU'RE A SPONSOR OF ONE OF THOSE, UH, RIGHT.
AND THAT'S THE GREEN ROOFS? YES.
SO LET ME READ, READ THOSE IN OB FIVE.
[OB 5. DISCUSS THE FEASIBILITY OF IMPLEMENTING A GREEN ROOF AT CITY HALL.]
[NB 1. RESOLUTION OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH, FLORIDA, DIRECTING THE CITY ADMINISTRATION TO EXPLORE FEASIBLE STRATEGIES FOR CREATING AND EXPANDING "GREEN ROOFS", AS WELL AS INCORPORATING GREENERY AND LANDSCAPING ON CITY BUILDINGS, AND PRESENT ITS FINDINGS TO THE LAND USE AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE AND THE FINANCE AND ECONOMIC RESILIENCY COMMITTEE WITHIN 90 DAYS OF THE ADOPTION OF THIS RESOLUTION.]
FIVE DISCUSS FEASIBILITY OF IMPLEMENTING A GREEN ROOF AT CITY, CITY HALL, OB FIVE AND MB ONE RESOLUTION OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH, FLORIDA, DIRECTING THE CITY ADMINISTRATION TO EXPLORE FEASIBLE STRATEGIES FOR CREATING, EXPANDING GREEN ROOFS, AS WELL AS INCORPORATING GREENERY AND LANDSCAPING ON CITY BUILDINGS AND PRESENT ITS FINDINGS TO THE LAND USE AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE AND THE FINANCE AND ECONOMIC RESILIENCY COMMITTEE WITHIN 90 DAYS OF THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION.UH, COMMISSIONER AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UM, ELIZABETH MIRO, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR FACILITIES AND FLEET.
WE HAVE ADDRESSED THIS ITEM BEFORE, BEFORE FERC.
UM, THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE GREEN ROOF, BOTH AT CITY HALL AND AT OTHER, UM, CITY FACILITIES.
AND WE ORIGINALLY HAD A PROPOSED TO HAVE A PILOT PROGRAM AT 1833 BAY ROAD, WHICH IS A FACILITIES MANAGEMENT BUILDING.
AFTER FURTHER DISCUSSION AT THE JUNE, UH, 11TH MEETING, UM, WE WERE ASKED TO REVIEW OTHER CITY FACILITIES WHERE WE CAN IMPLEMENT GREEN ROOF.
AND WHAT WE HAVE SUGGESTED BEFORE YOU IS TO SPREAD OUT THE ORIGINAL ALLOCATION THAT WE HAD, UM, COMPILED ABOUT $600,000 TO THREE FACILITIES.
ONE, THE 1833 BUILDING, UH, THE SEVEN SEVEN BUILDING, AS WELL AS SCOTT AL BUILDING.
AND WE CAN POSSIBLY PUT A PILOT PROGRAM IN EACH ONE OF THESE TO SEE WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL.
UM, CITY HALL WAS DESIGNED TO BE ONE STORY TALLER.
WHY WOULD WE NOT FOCUS OUR EFFORTS ON SOMETHING THAT IS IN TOWN CENTER THAT THE HOTEL WILL
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BE LOOKING DOWN UPON AND WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A GOOD MESSAGE ABOUT RESILIENT, UM, MIAMI BEACH? CAN WE NOT RETHINK THIS AND COME UP WITH A STRATEGY TO DO OUR PILOT RIGHT HERE? MM-HMMCOMMISSIONER, UH, FRANK GARCIA, FACILITIES MANAGEMENT, UH, DIVISION DIRECTOR.
THE, THE EXISTING PARAPET HEIGHT AT, UH, THE ROOF HERE AT AT CITY HALL WOULD, UM, MAKE BASICALLY THE TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THAT'S NEEDED TO MAKE THE SPACE, UM, HABITABLE AND ENJOYABLE, UM, WOULD BE A LOT MORE ROBUST AND, AND, AND MORE EXPENSIVE.
WE, WE WOULD TRYING TO SEE, UM, AS, AS WAS RECOMMENDED, UH, PREVIOUSLY TO SEE WHERE, UM, WE CAN IMPLEMENT SOME SMALLER SCALE, LOWER IMPACT, UM, GREEN ROOFS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WORK OFF OF THOSE LESSONS LEARNED, UM, SEE WHAT WORKS WELL, WHAT DOESN'T.
BUT HERE, UM, TO MAKE THAT SPACE USABLE WOULD, WOULD REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, UM, CAPITAL.
AND WHAT, UM, WHAT ARE YOU ENVISIONING AS A PILOT PROGRAM? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SHOW US ABOUT, BECAUSE YOU, WE HAD ALL TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED TO BE A BIG GRASSY FIELD.
IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, PLANTERS, IT CAN BE ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS.
I THINK I REFERENCED THE BOOK THAT ERIC HAS IN HIS OFFICE WITH DOG-EARED PICTURES NOW.
UM, SO DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SHOW? SO WE HAD AN A, UM, AN ATTACHMENT THAT ACTUALLY HAS A RENDERING OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AT 1833.
AND THIS IS A MODULAR STRUCTURE, SO IT ALLOWS FOR BOTH FLEXIBILITY AND, AND EASE OF MAINTENANCE OF, AND THIS WOULD BE FITTING FOR THEM.
UM, YEAH, LIKE, LIKE LIZ SAID, THESE ARE, THESE, THE SYSTEM IS BASICALLY, UM, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PILOT IS PRE-VETTED, UH, MODULAR ROOF TRAYS, BASICALLY.
UM, THERE'S AN UNDERLYING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN THESE, AND PJ IF THERE'S A SLIDE FOR THAT.
YEAH, I THOUGHT IF WE COULD PULL THAT UP AS FRANK'S TALKING.
AND SO, UM, SO THESE TRAYS, THESE TRAYS ARE PRE-VETTED.
THEY'RE BASICALLY DROPPED IN, UM, IRRIGATION.
UM, AND DRAINAGE IS KIND OF ENGINEERED ON THE FRONT END.
AND THEN, UH, WHAT HAPPENS IS MAINTENANCE IS A LOT EASIER WHEN YOU CAN REMOVE AND SERVICE THOSE TRAYS, UH, INDIVIDUALLY AS MODULES.
SO THE BUILDING THAT'S, UM, GETTING CLOSE TO OCCUPANCY ON THE CORNER OF 17TH AND WASHINGTON, I THINK IT'S THE VANCO, I DUNNO IF VAN ESCO FUNDED IT OR, UM, IT'S, UM, UH, IT WAS GOING TO BE THE THOMPSON HOTEL AND MAYBE THE FLAG IS CHANGED THERE.
IS THAT THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES.
SO I REMEMBER DRIVING, UM, DRIVING PAST THEM AS THEY WERE INSTALLING THEIR ROOFTOP.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE C CRANE UP TREES AND PALMS AND ALL KINDS OF COOL THINGS HAVE, WE LOOKED TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR SO WE CAN INFORM OURSELVES ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO AS A PILOT ON OUR ROOFS.
SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR ROOFS, WE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH TREMCO AND THEY HAVE A DIVISION THAT SPECIFICALLY JUST FOCUSES ON THIS.
AND SO WHEN THEY CONSIDER THE PILOT PROGRAM, THEY LOOKED AT VEGETATION THAT WOULD BE RESISTANCE, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY TO THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT IT WOULD NOT POSE AN ISSUE WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING WIND AND LOAD.
AND I MEAN, THEY TOOK EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND, UM, I CAN SEE SOME GREEN ROOFS THAT ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED CITYWIDE AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, AND I'M NOT TOO SURE IF THEY'RE GONNA BE VIABLE.
I'M LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH A PALM TREE UP THERE? BUT, SO I WOULDN'T GUIDE OURSELVES BY THAT.
I WOULD GUIDE BY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD WHO HAVE STUDIED AND THEY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THOSE FACTORS SO THAT YOU HAVE A, A, A PROJECT THAT IS COMPLETELY VIABLE.
THIS IS WHERE 1833 BAY ROAD, UM, IN SUNSET HARBOR.
THAT'S, THAT'S THIS IS THE FACILITIES.
AND THERE'S MAYBE NEXT PJ I THINK THERE'S A, A COUPLE PAGES WAS, OH, MAYBE NOT.
I'M PULLING IT UP FROM THE AGENDA.
THANK YOU PJ THAT'S BASED ON THIS, UH, UH, PRE VEGITATIVE MODULAR ROOF TRACE SYSTEM THAT, THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT.
AND, AND, UM, THE CONSULTANT, YOU KNOW, UM, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, STUDIES THE, THE MICROCLIMATE, UM, AND WIND AND THE LOAD THAT YOU'RE BUILDING CAN, UH, SUSTAIN AND THEN KIND OF MAKES, UH, THESE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.
THAT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING, CORRECT?
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YES, YES.AND WHAT I'M THINKING OF IS JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I WANTED IT IN AN AREA WHERE THERE ARE MORE VERTICAL BUILDINGS, SO PEOPLE ARE LOOKING DOWN ON SOMETHING.
UM, AND I GUESS IN SUNSET HARBOR WE DO HAVE SEVERAL BUILDINGS IN THIS IMMEDIATE AREA THAT IS, IS OR ARE VERTICAL TO THIS, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET AN IMPROVEMENT IN THE AESTHETICS THERE.
AND WHAT IS THE COST THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THIS? SO WHEN WE ORIGINATED, WHEN WE GOT THIS COST, THIS WAS ABOUT A $600,000 THAT CONTEMPLATES $400,000 FOR THE INSTALLATION, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE ENTIRE, UH, VEGETATION AND EVERYTHING.
BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES $170,000, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH THE ROOFING MEMBRANE THAT HAS TO BE PREPARED AND A 20 YEAR, UM, MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT SO THAT WE KNOW THAT THIS IS ALWAYS GONNA BE, UM, IN GOOD SHAPE.
SO THERE WOULD BE NO ONGOING CAPEX OR MAINTENANCE.
UM, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S INCLUDED IN THERE.
WE CONTEMPLATED THAT THE, I LOVE THE IDEA AND, AND I HAD A SIMILAR ITEM AS WELL.
UH, I WAS REALLY STRUCK BY THE SIGNIFICANT COST THAT I WASN'T EXPECTING.
I WOULD LOVE TO DO THIS AT EVERY BUILDING ACROSS THE CITY.
I'M FINE APPROVING THIS AND SAYING, WE'LL CONSIDER AS PART OF THE BUDGET, IT'S EXPENSIVE.
I, I'M 95% CERTAIN THAT WE GET TO THE BUDGET YEAR, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ENHANCEMENTS WHERE WE GO, WELL, WE'D LOVE TO DO IT.
WE, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
UM, I JUST, I I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SEE IMPLEMENTED WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE.
YEAH, NO, IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S NICE TO HAVE.
I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GONNA FIND OUR WAY TO IT THIS YEAR.
I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO LEARN ALSO HOW WE CAN, YOU KNOW, DO COMMUNITY GARDENS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES WHERE IT'S MORE THAN JUST DECORATIVE.
UM, SO IF IT'S NOT THIS YEAR, IT'S IN A FUTURE YEAR OR WE HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN AND, UM, SPONSOR IT OR, YOU KNOW, OR ENCOURAGE OUR NEW BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING TO COME ONLINE OVER THE NEXT NUMBER OF YEARS TO CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF THEIR PLANNING PHASE.
AND, AND FROM YOU GOING THROUGH THIS, I, I KNOW IT COULD BE AN UNFAIR QUESTION 'CAUSE NOT LIKE THIS IS YOUR AREA OF EXPERTISE.
IF THIS WAS A COMPLETELY NEW GROUND UP DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? LET'S SAY WE WERE BUILDING THE FACILITIES, UH, DEPARTMENT, WE GO, OKAY, HERE'S OPTION A THAT IS JUST NORMAL STATUS QUO AND OPTION B AND IT'S INCORPORATING ONE OF THESE GREEN ROOFS LIKE A FIRE STATION.
WOULD THAT STILL BE $600,000 OR IS PART OF THIS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND, AND WE NEED TO REPLACE SOME THINGS? SO WOULD IT, AND WHAT I'M THINKING IS, DO WE KIND OF GO FORWARD WITH, UH, EXPLORING A POLICY WHERE NEW DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT BE ON THE PRIVATE SIDE OR WE CAN EVEN LOOK AT INCENTIVES ON, I'M SORRY, ON THE PUBLIC SIDE OR ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, LOOK FOR INCENTIVES, UH, TO REQUIRE ENCOURAGE, UH, GREEN ROOFS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
WOULD THE COST STILL BE SO HIGH OR MR. CHAIR? IT'S, IT'S HARD TO SAY.
WHAT WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN IS THAT GREEN ROOFS ARE, UM, AN EASIER ASK.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN IMPLEMENTED EARLY ON DURING, YOU KNOW, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PHASE RIGHT BEFORE THE, THE, THE PROJECT IS, YOU KNOW, FULLY BAKED, LET ALONE BUILT.
AND, UM, AS FAR AS INCENTIVES ARE CONCERNED THAT WE DO HAVE THE URBAN HEAT ISLAND ORDINANCE, WHICH DOES ENCOURAGE, UM, NOT NECESSARILY GREEN ROOFS, BUT CERTAINLY ALONG THE LINES OF, YOU KNOW, COOL ROOFS, WHITE ROOFS AND GREEN ROOFS.
YEAH, I, I KNOW FROM, UH, FROM MY VIEW AT HOME AND I OVERLOOK ONE A WHITE ROOF ON THE COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTER ALONG SEVENTH AND ALTON, AND THAT GETS DESTROYED VERY QUICKLY VERSUS JUST ACROSS THE STREET IS BAPTIST HEALTH THAT HAS SOME SORT OF GREEN ROOF LIKE THIS.
WHAT IT DOES FOR JUST THE OVERALL COMMUNITY IS LIKE NIGHT AND DAY.
UM, SO PERHAPS WE CAN EXPLORE, AND I THINK ACTUALLY THAT'S WHERE THIS STARTED WAS PERHAPS WE EXPLORE INCORPORATING REQUIREMENTS OR ENCOURAGEMENT FOR GREEN NEW ROOFS GOING FORWARD.
AND THEN IT BECAME, WELL, LET'S PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS.
HOW COULD WE ASK THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO DO IT IF THE CITY DOESN'T DO IT? SO MAYBE WE TALK EVEN THOUGH WE, YEAH,
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WE COULD TALK ABOUT HAVING THIS AS AN INCENTIVE OR REQUIREMENT FOR YEAH.WELL LOOK, WE ARE GONNA BE BUILDING A FIRE STATION AT SOME POINT, HOPEFULLY OUR LIFETIMES.
AND UM, THAT SHOULD HAVE A GREEN ROOF.
UM, SO I THINK SO PER, PERHAPS, SO PERHAPS THERE'S A, I MEAN THERE'S A COUPLE OF ELEMENTS THERE.
ONE IS ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, WHICH IS PROBABLY, AND THE CITY HEARING, I'LL JUMP IN IF I'M OFF.
IT'S PROBABLY A SEPARATE REFERRAL TO LAND USE TO DISCUSS IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF INCENTIVIZATION MM-HMM
FOR A DEVELOPER TO BUILD A GREEN ROOF.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY A SEPARATE DISCUSSION.
THIS ONE CITY IS, I THINK THE CHAIR HIT IT ON THE HEAD IS THE DIFFICULTY WITH FUNDING, BUT IT COULD RETURN TO COMMISSION.
UM, YOU'D HAVE TO LET ME KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE A BUDGET PRIORITY IN THE 27 BUDGET PRIORITY OR TO, OR FOR IT JUST TO BE CONSIDERED.
AND I WANT TO EXPLAIN THE NUANCE OF THAT IN CASE EVERYTHING IS A PROGRESS
'CAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IS THAT AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT IS NOT IN OUR CAPITAL PROJECT, SO WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE CONSIDERED.
SO IF THERE'S A THOUGHT OF LET'S PUT IT ON THE LIST AND IF WE HAPPEN TO GET FUNDING FOR IT, THAT'S GREAT.
SO IT COULD BE AFFORDED TO CREATE THE PROJECT.
UM, IF YOU THINK IT'S THAT IMPORTANT TO MAKE IT A PRIORITY, WE CAN ADD THE WORD PRIORITY TO THE MOTION IF, IF WE WANT IT FORWARD OR IF WE THINK THAT IT'S JUST VERY DIFFICULT FINANCIAL ENVIRONMENT WE'RE GONNA BE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS, WHICH I DO AGREE WITH THE CHAIR.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE YOUNG COULD JUST BE HEARD AND CLOSED.
UM, AND OR AN AN ELEMENT OF A MOTION GOING BACK COULD BE TO GET TO DIRECT THE ADMINISTRATION THAT WHENEVER WE'RE BUILDING A NEW BUILDING, THAT AT THE VERY LEAST THE GREEN ROOF OPTION IS ANALYZED AND TO PRESENT THAT TO COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, WITH WHATEVER THAT COST DIFFERENTIAL IS.
SO THAT COULD BE, THAT COULD BE A SEPARATE ONE.
THIS COULD NOT CREATE A PROJECT, BUT JUST SAYING GOING FORWARD, ANY NEW CITY PROJECT, UM, WHERE THERE'S A, A ROOF BEING BUILT THAT THE GREEN ROOF OPTION IS LOOKED AT FROM A FEASIBILITY PERSPECTIVE.
SO THERE'S, I'M JUST GIVING YOU A COUPLE DIFFERENT PATHS.
UM, BUT I KNOW AS WE'RE WRAPPING UP HERE, WANTED TO SEE, UM, WHERE I GUESS COMMISSIONER BOT WHO WILL HAVE TO MAKE THE MOTION, UH, OR IF THERE IS ONE OF JUST HEARD ENC CLOSED, I I JUST LET US KNOW.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD TOSS IT INTO THE MIX FOR COMMISSION DISCUSSION AND REVIEW, NOT AS A PRIORITY, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW WHO'S GOING TO TURN UP WITH WHAT OPPORTUNITIES.
AND I, I'D HATE TO JUST CLOSE THE DOOR ON IT WHEN IT'S SOMETHING WE DO WANNA MOVE TOWARDS.
AND YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THE WORK AND UM, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT AND CONTINUING TO TALK ABOUT.
SO WE COULD RETURN TO COMMISSIONER FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, RECOMMEND, UH, THE CREATION OF A GREEN ROOF PROJECT, UH, AND TO BE CONSIDERED, UH, AS PART OF THE 27 BUDGET PROCESS, IF THAT'S YOUR MOTION.
AND WE WILL SHOW COMMISSIONER BOT, COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE.
WILL YOU SECOND THAT? I WILL, YES.
THE MOTION PASSES TWO, NOTHING.
AND THAT'LL BE OB FIVE AND MB ONE, UH, TOGETHER.
AND, AND AMY PERHAPS YOU COULD WORK WITH FACILITIES TO JUST SPEARHEAD DIFFERENT IDEAS AS OPPOSED TO US JUST, YOU KNOW, PAYING FOR THESE.
UM, I'M JUST BROWSING HEADLINES.
SEWER DISTRICT GRANTS, UH, SEND GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS THAT CLEVELAND NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, YEAH.
BEING CREATIVE ON FUNDING ON GRANTS YEAH.
OR PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS OR THINGS LIKE THAT THAT CAN, WE LOVE THE IDEA.
ECONOMICALLY IT'S CHALLENGING.
SO OTHER WAYS THAT YOU COULD ENVISION OUR CATALYSTS THAT COULD KICKSTART SOME OF THESE, UM, ALL EARS.
AND WE ALSO DO, UM, OFFER THIS AS AN OPTION THROUGH OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY ADAPTATION PROGRAM, GREEN ROOFS.
SO WE'VE, UH, RECOMMENDED THAT IN A COUPLE SITUATIONS AND PEOPLE HAVEN'T QUITE DONE IT YET, BUT THAT IS AN INCENTIVE.
SO, AND IF I KIND OF, THE, THE PROJECT THAT'S CREATED, THAT'S OUT.
SOMETHING THAT MY GRANTS DIVISION WILL LOOK AT IF THERE'S ANY GRANT, UH, POSSIBILITIES.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, AS WE KNOW IN THE ENVIRONMENT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, UH, GREEN INITIATIVES, UM, HAVE NOT BEEN FUNDED.
GOTTEN A BLACK FUNDED, UH, FUNDED WELL RECENTLY, BUT IT'S SOMETHING BY CREATING THE PROJECT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT NOW WILL PUT IT ON OUR, OUR RADAR.
I THINK WE'RE AT YOUR, YOUR TIME.
UM, COMMISSIONER BAD AND I, UH, WILL BE SEEING YOU ALL SOON.
UH, THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY'S WORK OVER THESE LAST TWO YEARS.