Dec 16, 2025 Historic Preservation Board

UM, IS THERE ANY QUESTION, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? I, I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU.

I AND, AND YOU DO TOO.

THEY'D HAVE TO COME TO BOTH BOARDS.

NO, NO, PLEASE.

YOU FIRST.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY, 'CAUSE ONE OF THE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION WE RECEIVED WAS THAT THE CHANGING THE TIMING OF OPERATION WOULD OPEN A PRECEDENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, WE ARE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING.

YOU ARE JUST REMOVING FROM AN OBSOLETE HPB APPROVAL SO THAT THE PLANNING APPROVAL TAKES OVER AND HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

EXACTLY.

SO THE PLANNING BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL TAKES OVER ANY MODIFICATIONS THEN WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD.

'CAUSE OTHERWISE THEY'D HAVE TO GO BACK.

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BOTH THE HPB TO MODIFY THE CONDITIONS AS WELL AS THE PLANNING BOARD.

AND REALLY SINCE, UM, SINCE THAT TIME BACK IN 2011, THE, THE BOARDS HAVE BASICALLY, UM, UM, BEEN MORE IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THEIR, THEIR, THEIR PURVIEW OF THE APPLICATION FOR, SO SHORT PRESERVATION BOARD IS LOOKING AT DESIGN, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION.

IT'S ALSO GONNA A PLANNING BOARD.

THE PLANNING BOARD IS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS REGARDING, YOU KNOW, TRASH AND LOADING NOISE HOURS OF OPERATION, ESPECIALLY FOR AN APPLICATION THAT INCLUDES, UM, UM, A NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENT.

IF THERE WAS NO APPLICATION THAT WAS ASSOCIATED FOR AN NIE, THERE WAS NO, THERE WAS NO ASSOCIATED APPLICATION THAT WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD, THEN IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE, FOR THIS BOARD TO PLACE, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN CONDITIONS REGARDING OPERATIONS.

BUT IN THIS CASE, THERE ARE, THERE IS A COMPANION, UM, CERTIFICATE OF, UM, UM, I'M SORRY, UH, CONDITIONS USE PERMIT FOR THE PROPERTY.

SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE CONFLICTING CONDITIONS.

IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD REPORT, UM, ORDER VERSUS THE, THE PLANNING BOARD.

AND, AND MIKE, AND SO JUST, UM, SO ANY, ANY PERCEPTION THAT THIS MIGHT BE AN APPLICANT KIND OF CHOOSING A BOARD TO, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY FOR THE BEST OUTCOME? JUST, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD, YOU WOULDN'T WANNA HAVE THE PLANNING BOARD MAKE, UM, DECISIONS ON A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS? YEAH, I THINK IN THIS CASE IT'S, IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO WEIGH IN ON CONDITIONS REGARDING OPERATIONS.

I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.

GOOD MORNING, NICK.

NOTED OF THE LAW FIRM OF BILLS AND SUNBURG HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

I, I'M SORRY, I I HAVE TO HOLD YOU HAD YOU HAD A QUESTION? YOU WERE DOING MUCH BETTER WITHOUT ME LAST, LAST MEETING.

, I I, I'M SO SORRY ABOUT THAT.

NO, YOU'RE FINE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THE, UM, PROPOSED ORDER THAT WE HAVE HERE, AND THEN WE HAVE THIS LIKE, SUPPLEMENT THAT GOES WITH IT.

UM, SO WE'RE GONNA, SO NICK, NICK GONNA PROVIDE A, A COMMENT, JUST, THIS IS JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THE ORDER THAT'S FROM 2011 IS MORE FOR HISTORICAL RECORD NOW, IT'S NOT TO BE LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF CONDITIONS THAT ARE ONGOING FOR THE PROPERTY.

AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME REVISED, UM, UM, CLARIFICATION OF WHAT, WHAT WAS PASSED OUT.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THE PROPOSED ORDER REFERENCES THE PLANNING BOARD ORDER AT ALL AND INCORPORATES THAT? NO, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY THIS IS GONNA BE, UM, FOR HISTORICAL RECORD.

IT NO LONGER, NO LONGER WOULD APPLY FOR, FOR SOMEBODY TO HAVE TO LOOK AT IN TERMS OF THEIR CONDITIONS.

SO THE, THE NEW ORDER, UM, APPLIES AND THE IDEA BEING THAT THE HPV ORDER SHOULD REALLY BE LIMITED, UM, TO THE APPROVAL OF THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT AND THE PLANNING BOARD ORDER WILL STAND ON ITS OWN.

UH, AND THE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS ARE ALL AS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD LAST WEEK.

I WAS JUST, THERE'S NO ASKING FOR SOME SORT OF REFERENCE BETWEEN THE ORDER SAYING, YOU KNOW, INCORPORATING BY REFERENCE THE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS AND THE PLANNING BOARD ORDER.

NO.

'CAUSE WE, WE BASICALLY WANT TO CLOSE OUT THIS ORDER.

SO THIS IS LIKE FOR HISTORICAL RECORD, THERE'S NO NEED FOR ANYBODY TO LOOK AT THIS ORDER TO THEN HAVE A REFERENCE OF A FUTURE ORDER IN THE, IN THE FILE.

SO THE, THE, I THINK THAT THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION WERE ORDERED BACK IN 2024.

DOES HAVE A, UM, WE'LL CHECK, I THINK THAT SHOULD HAVE A LINK TO THE PLANNING BOARD CASE FILE.

IF NOT, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

ELIZABETH? OH, I'M SORRY.

SO THIS APPLICATION HAS NO DESIGN CHANGES AT ALLS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A COMPLETELY PACKAGE ON THE DESIGN.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS, UM, THESE DESIGN MODIFICATIONS OR THE DESIGN WAS ALL APPROVED BACK IN 2011.

THAT'S NO LONGER APPLICABLE SINCE WE HAVE A NEW, A NEW ORDER FROM THIS BOARD FROM OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.

THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, UM, ORDER THAT APPLIES AND CONTROLS FOR THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT HAVING, SO, SO JUST IN QUICK SUMMARY, IF THE BOARD DID NOT MODIFY THESE CONDITIONS TODAY IN, THEN THOSE, THOSE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS STILL APPLY TO THE PROPERTY.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU GET APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD TO DO A NEW PROJECT, A NEW BUILDING, UM, ONCE THE BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED, YOU'VE CLOSED OUT BASICALLY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD ORDER.

THE PROJECT IS COMPLETE.

THEY HAVE THEIR TCO, IT'S OPERATIONAL, BUT THE, BUT THAT COULD, THAT ORDER HAS OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS.

THOSE RUN FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROPERTY UNLESS THEY'RE MODIFIED.

THIS BASICALLY REMOVES ALL THOSE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS AND APPLIES THEM.

AND THOSE ARE NOW APPLIED AS PART OF THE PLANNING BOARD REVIEW, RATHER THAN THIS SORT OF PRESERVATION BOARD REVIEW.

SO THERE'S NO NEED TO THEN LOOK AT THIS ORDER.

JUST LIKE IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, OVER THE COURSE OF, OF BUILDING'S LIFESPAN, YOU MAY SEE NUMEROUS ORDERS ON A PROPERTY.

AND FOR US TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND PERMITTING TO LOOK AT EVERY PRIOR ORDER TO SEE WHAT APPLIES, IT CAN BE VERY CUMBERSOME.

THIS JUST CLARIFIES THAT THIS ORDER IS NO LONGER APPLICABLE TOWARDS ANY SORT OF NEW, UM, REVIEW OF THE DESIGN OF THE PROPERTY.

SO THEN ALL THIS DESIGN CHANGES WERE JUST FOR REFERENCE, THERE WAS NOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROCESS.

THIS ALL, ALL THE, ALL THE OTHER DESIGN INFORMATION AS PART OF THIS ORDER IS JUST FOR HISTORICAL RECORD BASED UPON THE PLANS APPROVED.

BACK IN 2011.

UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEW, A NEW APPLICATION THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD BACK IN OCTOBER.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE NEW ORDER THAT APPLIES.

AND, AND SO THIS BOARD WILL NOT SEE MOVING FORWARD ANY OF THOSE KIND OF CONDITIONS? UH, COME BEFORE

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IT IS THAT IS NO.

SO IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S NO ASSOCIATED PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL OKAY, THEN YOU MAY SEE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS AS PART OF THE ORDER.

UM, BUT IF THERE IS AN ASSOCIATED, UM, PLANNING BOARD ORDER, JUST, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

THERE'S ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IN HERE.

IT SAYS THAT IF THERE'S A VIOLATION REGARDING NOISE, THEY TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR A, UM, LIKE A PROGRESS REPORT, RIGHT? THAT'S NOW IN THE PLANNING BOARD ORDER.

SO IF THERE'S A VIOLATION REGARDING NOISE, IT GOES TO THE PLANNING BOARD AS PART OF THE PROGRESS REPORT VERSUS THIS BOARD.

AND WOULD, WHAT WOULD KICK IN THAT, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD, HAVING THE NOISE BE PART OF ITS ORDINANCE VERSUS HPB HAVING NOISE, IF THERE'S, LIKE, IN A NEW APPLICATION, FOR EXAMPLE.

SO IF THERE, IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A, UM, UM, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT UHHUH, THEN THERE, THEN BASICALLY THE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS ARE, UM, SUBJECT TO THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING BOARD.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE THOSE CONDITIONS IN THE, IN THE HPV ORDER.

IF THERE WAS NO PLANNING BOARD, UM, ORDER, THEN IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

OR FOR EXAMPLE, THIS BOARD ALSO REVIEWS, UM, SAY VARIANCES FOR, UM, OUTDOOR BAR COUNTERS.

SO IN THAT CASE, WE MAY HAVE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS REGARDING THAT VARIANCE THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE PURVIEW OF THE HPV.

SO WHY DIDN'T WE DEAL WITH THIS LAST YEAR? I'LL ASK, I I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION IF, IF I MAY.

WAIT, JUST ONE SECOND.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, WHY DIDN'T WE DEAL WITH THIS LAST YEAR? UH, I, I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS, THE PLANNING BOARD LAST WEEK.

WHAT DID THEY APPROVE, UH, IN A NUTSHELL REGARDING NOISE, THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN.

I'LL LOOK.

WE, IF, IF WE'RE REALLY, YOU'D RATHER DEFER TO THEM.

FAIR PLEASE.

NOW WE'RE READY.

I THINK WE'RE GOOD AND READY FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

EXCELLENT.

UH, NICK NOO FROM THE LAW FIRM IN BILLS INBERG, OUR OFFICES LOCATED AT 1450 BRICKELL AVENUE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

UM, JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE, UM, ON MY PRESENTATION, IF THEY COULD PULL IT UP.

THIS IS THE CONDITION THAT YOU WERE JUST DISCUSSING AS APPROVED IN THE MODIFIED CUP THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD LAST WEEK.

THIS IS ESSENTIALLY, I THINK JUST A MATTER OF OF HOUSEKEEPING TO, TO ANSWER BOARD MEMBER LEVEL'S QUESTION.

WHAT HAPPENED WAS, WE, WE CAME TO YOU LAST YEAR FOR A, A MASSIVE RENOVATION OF THE ROYAL PALM HOTEL.

UM, I CAN KIND OF FLIP THROUGH SOME OF THESE THAT REFRESH YOUR MEMORY.

UM, OF THE MODIFICATIONS.

WE DID A LOT OF, UM, IMPROVEMENTS IN THE LOBBY.

UH, THE, UH, OUTDOOR TERRACE SPACE, THE THREE MILL RESTAURANT, AND THIS, UM, SECOND FLOOR ROOF DECK.

YOU GUYS MAY REMEMBER THIS PROJECT.

IT WAS APPROVED IN OCTOBER OF 2024.

NOW THAT WE HAVE BEGUN THE PERMITTING PROCESS, WE HAD TO GO BACK AND MODIFY OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH THE PLANNING BOARD BECAUSE OCCUPANCIES HAVE CHANGED.

WE'VE ASKED FOR, UH, ADDITIONAL, UM, WE HAD ASKED FOR AN ADDITIONAL RIGHT BECAUSE OF THAT, IF YOU REMEMBER, THE LOBBY BAR WAS MODIFIED TO BE KIND OF INSIDE OUTSIDE.

SO THAT REQUIRED US TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND MODIFY OUR CUP.

IT WASN'T UNTIL WE WERE IN THAT PROCESS THAT WE EVEN RECOGNIZED THAT THERE WAS THIS OLD 2011 HPB ORDER THAT HAD OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS IN IT.

'CAUSE TYPICALLY, AS MR. BELU HAS EXPLAINED, THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD REGULATE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AND OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS RE RELATING TO THE OPERATION OF A NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENT.

SO IT WASN'T UNTIL WE WERE GOING TO THAT CUP PROCESS THAT WE EVEN KNEW THAT THIS 2011 ORDER HAD THESE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS IN IT.

AND THEY WERE TRANSFERRED TO THE, TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN 2011.

THEY'RE KEPT IN THERE IN 2019.

UM, THEY'RE STILL IN THERE AS I, AS I SHOWED, AND I HAVE A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF THIS WAS ONE OF THE PROVISIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING TO BE, UM, STRICKEN FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES.

AND WHAT WAS INPRO APPROVED LAST WEEK, ESSENTIALLY JUST STRENGTHENS IT AS MORE CLARIFICATION, CLARIFYING LANGUAGE, AND STRENGTHENS THESE CONDITIONS.

A LOT OF THAT IS STILL IN THERE.

THE, THE, THE PLANNING BOARD ORDER IS 13 PAGES OF CONDITIONS THAT WAS APPROVED LAST WEEK.

THERE.

THERE'S A LOT IN THERE.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN IN THE FUTURE, IF THERE WAS A, A REDESIGN OF THIS HOTEL, AGAIN, WE WOULD COME TO YOU FOR THE DESIGN APPROVAL AND THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

IF WE HAD TO MODIFY OUR OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS OR OUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THAT WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD.

SO WE'RE NOT CAUGHT IN THIS KIND OF CATCH 22.

WE'RE NOW, WE'RE APPEARING BEFORE YOU FOR A SECOND TIME BECAUSE THESE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS ARE IN HERE.

ALTHOUGH WE ALREADY WENT TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE, AN EXTENDED DISCUSSION ABOUT THE OPERATIONS AND ALL OF THESE 13 PAGES WORTH OF CONDITIONS THAT ARE NOW IN THE, THAT MODIFIED CEP.

DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH.

IS IS THAT THE END OF YOUR PRESENTATION? I'M, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I I HAVE ONE, I HAVE ONE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO BRING UP AND I THINK I'LL WORK WITH.

IS WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECT THAT YOU APPROVED IN 2024 IS WHAT EVERYONE'S LOOKING AT FOR PURPOSES OF PERMITTING IN, IN THAT RENOVATION.

CAN YOU JUST, UH, NICK CLAIRE JUST ON, ON THIS LANGUAGE, JUST TO CLARIFY.

'CAUSE YOU KNOW, ONE THING WE'RE ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT WHEN WE GET THE PERMITTING

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SO THIS IS TRULY JUST CLARIFYING THAT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE HERE MODIFYING THIS 2011 ORDER AS A MATTER OF CLEANUP.

SO IT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH THE CUP, THAT IT'S THE 2024 PROJECT YOU APPROVE IS WHAT WE'RE BUILDING AND NOT THIS WHOLE 2011 ORDER.

UM, SO IS THAT, THAT'S THE END OF YOUR PRESENTATION THAT'S HAVE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS? ABSOLUTELY.

PERFECT.

MITCH, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, YOU COULD ASK.

UH, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THE PROPOSED ORDER, UH, VERSUS, UH, WHAT WAS, UH, APPROVED BY THIS BOARD IN 2011 REGARDING NOISE.

WHAT HAS CHANGED? IF IT'S THE SAME, UH, I I DON'T SEE THAT THERE WOULD BE ANY PROBLEM.

UH, IF I MAY APPROACH AND HAND YOU GUYS A COPY OF THE, I'M GONNA HAND OUT A COPY OF THE, THE PROPOSED DRAFT ORDER FROM LAST WEEK'S HEARING.

IT WAS, IT WAS TWEAKED A A LITTLE BIT, AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT.

BUT THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE DRAFT ORDER THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD WITH THE, THE CHANGES THAT I'LL EXPLAIN.

AND YOU HAVE THE 2011, THEN ON YOUR SLIDE, HE'S ASKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN 2011 AND LAST WEEK.

I THINK IT'LL MAKE SENSE WHEN I SHOW YOU HOW THIS IS, IS DRAFTED.

THANKS.

AND, AND PJ, CAN YOU PROMOTE ME AS A PANELIST ON ZOOM? SO IF I CAN TURN YOUR ATTENTION TO PAGE SEVEN OF 13 OF THE ORDER THAT I JUST HANDED OUT TO YOU.

I'LL GIVE EVERYONE A MINUTE TO FLIP.

YOU CAN SEE CONDITION 18 IN THIS ORDER ACTUALLY REFERENCES THIS, THIS OLD HPB FILE 7 2 4 5, AND BELOW IT ARE STRICKEN A A, B, C SUB CONDITIONS THAT ARE NOW LISTED AS 18 THROUGH 24.

THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE, THE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS THAT WERE IN THE PLANNING BOARD ORDER AS COPIED INTO THE CUP.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WERE MADE AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD LAST WEEK.

THE ONLY THING IN HERE THAT WOULD BE, UM, A MODIFICATION TO KIND OF EVERYTHING STRENGTHENS THE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF D.

AND ONE THING THAT WE WERE ASKING FOR, AND WE WITHDREW AT LAST WEEK'S HEARING, WAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT ON OUR NEW EVENT SPACE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

UM, THAT WAS WITHDRAWN.

SO THIS WAS PRESENTED, THIS WAS DEBBIE'S DRAFT ORDER PRIOR TO THE HEARING.

SO OBVIOUSLY IN A WEEK WE HAVEN'T GOT THE MODIFIED, UM, APPROVED VERSION WITH INCORPORATING ALL THE DISCUSSION WITH THE PLANNING BOARD.

UM, BUT WE WITHDREW THAT REQUEST.

SO WE KNOW OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT ON THAT SECOND FLOOR TERRACE, UM, AS DEFINED BY THE CITY.

SO D THE REST OF THESE CONDITIONS ARE, AS YOU SEE HERE, SO D IS IS NOW, IS, IS INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE ORDER.

I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW IT'S GOING TO COME THROUGH AFTER THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HANDLES IT.

WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THERE WAS, WE, WE WITHDRAW A REQUEST FOR OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, WHETHER IT JUST SAYS SECOND FLOOR EVENT, TERRACE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT.

NO.

'CAUSE IF YOU, THEY, DEBBIE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF KIND OF MAKING THESE EASIER TO FOLLOW ALONG.

OR IF THIS IS INSERTED BACK IN THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN EITHER, IN EITHER CIRCUMSTANCE, THE END RESULT IS THE SAME, WHICH IS THERE IS NO ENTERTAINMENT ON THAT SECOND FLOOR TERRACE.

AND YOU KIND OF SEE HOW THE REST OF THESE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS WERE, UM, REALLY ONLY STRENGTHENED.

MITCH, IS THERE ANY OUTDOOR, UH, EVENT SPACE THAT WILL HAVE ENTERTAINMENT? SO THE GROUND FLOOR POOL, LIKE THE POOL AREA HAS ALWAYS HAD THAT, RIGHT.

IT'S SINCE 2011, THAT WAS NOT MODIFIED.

THAT'S A CON, THAT'S A CONDITION THAT REMAINS.

AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER A CONDITION THAT ALLOWS FOR NOISE, UH, SPEAKER, IT ALLOWS FOR, ALLOWS FOR OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT.

SOUND LEVEL THAT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH NORMAL BACKGROUND CONVER, UH, CONVERSATION AT AMBIENT LEVELS.

AND THE, IN THE, IN THE POOL IN THREE MEAL RESTAURANT AREA, THERE'S A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS IN HERE ABOUT NOISE LEVELS AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S NOISE ORDINANCE AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A DISTRIBUTED SOUND SYSTEM, THAT STAFF WILL ACTUALLY GO OUT BEFORE WE CAN GET OUR C OUR CU AND BTR, THEY WILL GO ONTO THE PROPERTY, THEY'LL TEST THE SYSTEM, THEY WILL LOCK THE SYSTEM AT A PARTICULAR

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THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN THERE IN TERMS OF PROTECTIONS AS TO NOISE.

AND THAT'S ALL STILL IN THERE.

HAS THERE BEEN ANY NOISE COMPLAINTS FOR THE POOL AREA? NO.

IF YOU, IF YOU WERE TO GO THROUGH, UM, THE STAFF REPORT, DEBBIE ACTUALLY DID A, UM, LIKE A NARRATIVE SUMMARY OF, OF NOISE COMPLAINTS.

THE LAST ONE WAS IN 2023 THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.

THE COMPLAINT CAME BEFORE THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT WAS THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT ALLOWED THIS EVENT, IT WAS FOR THE WHITE PARTY.

IT WAS, IT WAS ALLOWED TO OPERATE TILL 8:00 PM CODE CAME OUT BEFORE 8:00 PM THE OPERATOR APOLOGIZED PROFUSELY TO ALRIGHT.

TO THE, TO THE HOTEL MANAGEMENT.

SO IT WAS RESOLVED.

NOTHING ELSE HAS HAPPENED SINCE 2020.

HOW MANY, UH, PREVIOUSLY, HOW MANY NOISE COMPLAINTS, UH, WERE ISSUED SINCE 2011 ON THE POOL AREA? I'M NOT AWARE OF EXACTLY.

I I, SO LET'S JUST TO, SO THE IDEA HERE IS TO LET THE PLANNING BOARD CONTROL THE OPERATIONAL ISSUES NOT TO HAVE THE HPV.

SO I THINK THIS DISCUSSION IS SORT OF IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT HERE WITH THEIR ARGUMENT TO MODIFY THE CONDITIONS REGARDING ENTERTAINMENT FOR THIS BOARD.

THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THAT AT THE PLANNING BOARD.

WE DON'T WANNA HAVE A CONFLICTING CONDITION WHERE THE, WHERE THE, WHERE THIS HPB IS REVIEWING THE, THE ENTERTAINMENT OUTDOORS OR ANY ENTERTAINMENT OR ANY NOISE.

THAT'S THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING BOARD.

THE PLANNING BOARD ALREADY REVIEWED THAT LAST WEEK AND ALREADY APPROVED, UM, WHAT THEY ASKED FOR LAST WEEK.

SO THIS, SO, SO IT'S APPROVED.

IT'S NOT PROPOSED.

IT'S THIS, THIS IS WHAT, WHAT HE'S, WHAT NICK IS STATING HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, LAST WEEK.

EXACTLY.

BUT REGARDING THE POOL AREA THAT WOULD, THAT WAS APPROVED AS WITH A CONDITION THAT HE SPECIFIED, BASICALLY ENTERTAINMENT THAT'S ALLOWED IS GONNA BE A BACKGROUND LEVEL.

SO IF YOU HAVE A DJ, SO A DJ IS CONSIDERED ENTERTAINMENT REGARDLESS OF THE NOISE LEVELS.

BUT THIS, I THINK THEIR CONDITIONS STATE THAT IF THEY DO HAVE THAT, IT'S JUST ENTERTAINMENT.

IT CAN'T EXCEED WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED, UM, UM, TO INTERFERE NORMAL CONVERSATION.

SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF A PROTECTION THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE.

BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, THE PURPOSE OF THIS, UH, MODIFICATION IS NOT TO TALK ABOUT, UM, ENTERTAINMENT OR TALK ABOUT OPERATIONS OR HOURS.

THIS IS TO REMOVE ALL THOSE CONDITIONS FROM THIS ORDER SO THAT THE, THE CURRENT ORDERS, WHICH IS THE CURRENT PLANNING BOARD APPROVED LAST WEEK, AND THE CURRENT HPV ORDER FROM, UM, LAST YEAR, ACTUALLY, I, I GET THAT MICHAEL.

UM, WHAT WE DON'T WANNA DO IS HAVE ONE CONDITION HERE THAT APPLIES AND YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT, LOOK AT ALL THE PRIOR ORDERS AND SEE, OH, THERE'S ONE CONDITION HERE THAT APPLIES VERSUS EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO TO CLEAN IT UP, ALL THESE CONDITIONS SHOULD BE REMOVED UNDER THE PURVIEW OF PLANNING BOARD.

AND THEN ANY SORT OF VIOLATIONS, LIKE IF THEY, IF THEY GET A VIOLATION, WE PUT 'EM ON THE BOARD, WE PUT 'EM ON THE PLANNING BOARD FOR A PROGRESS REPORT, THE PLANNING BOARD CAN THEN ACTUALLY REVOKE THE COP OR MODIFY THE COP.

AND THEY'VE DONE THAT.

UM, I, I CAME FROM THE PLANNING BOARD MOST RECENTLY, AND THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ON THEIR AGENDA ALMOST EVERY MONTH, UM, RE REVOCATION MODIFICATION PROCEEDINGS FOR, UM, APPLICANTS.

THERE'S ONE VIOLATION.

SO, UM, CODE NOTIFIES US, WE DO SEND OUT A, THERE'S A PROCEDURE FOR THAT, UM, REVOCATION OR MODIFICATION PROCESS.

AND THE PLANNING BOARD HAS BEEN DILIGENT IN TERMS OF, UM, IN DOING THAT.

SO DOES THE CUP REFERENCE THE POOL AREA? IS IT PART OF THE CUP? WELL, DID YOU, UM, I, I JUST RECEIVED THIS.

NOW I'M SURE IT DOES.

I MEAN, BUT I, BUT IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL A MOOT POINT THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NO NEED FOR THAT TO BE REVIEWED BY THIS BOARD.

THIS IS NOT THE PLANNING BOARD.

THIS BOARD SHOULD BE REVIEWING, YOU KNOW, ISSUES REGARDING HISTORIC PRESERVATION DESIGN.

WE HAVE AN ASSOCIATED PLANNING BOARD ORDER THAT THAT'S WHAT CONTROLS.

WE DON'T WANNA HAVE THEM COMING TO BOTH BOARDS TO MODIFY.

I, IIII GET THAT.

BUT THIS WAS PRESENTED AS, UH, ENTERTAINMENT ON THE SECOND LEVEL.

NO, THAT, THAT'S BEEN REMOVED.

THAT'S BEEN REMOVED.

SO YEAH.

I, I, I HEAR THAT.

BUT THERE'S ENTERTAINMENT AT THE POOL LEVEL.

AND, UH, MY, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DID THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, ADDRESS THAT ISSUE AS THEY DID? YEAH.

THEY, THEY ADDRESSED THE C PROCESS.

THEY ADDRESS.

YES, YES, EXACTLY.

NUMBER SEVEN.

SO BASICALLY, ONCE YOU HAVE A PLANNING BOARD ORDER LIKE THAT, THEY'RE GONNA ADDRESS ANY SORT OF OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, ANY ENTERTAINMENT ON THE PROPERTY, IT'S ALL GONNA BE ADDRESSED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.

IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN SNEAK IN KNOW.

'CAUSE UM, ONCE, ONCE YOU HAVE ANY SORT OF OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT THAT DOES REQUIRE A COP IF IT'S ALLOWED, IT DOES REQUIRE A COP.

SO, SO MICHAEL, AGAIN, FOR THOSE WHO ARE KIND OF CONCERNED THAT THIS MIGHT BE A DIMINUTION OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD I WENT THROUGH, YEAH.

I WENT, I WENT THROUGH ALL THE, I WENT THROUGH EVERY SINGLE CONDITION, EVERY CONDITION THAT WAS IN, THAT WAS REMOVED HERE, I WENT THROUGH AND LOOKED AT TO SEE, IS THIS IN THE PLANNING BOARD? YES.

AND THEY'RE, I DIDN'T GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT ALL THE NEW CONDITIONS.

DID AND DID YOU, DID THE STAFF, DID YOU DO THAT IN YOUR REPORT? DID YOU GO THROUGH THAT TO SEE? I WENT, I WENT THROUGH THE, UM, CONDITIONS OF THIS, OF THIS PLANNING OF THIS, THIS ORDER TO SEE IF THOSE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS WERE REP WERE INCLUDED IN.

AND YES, THEY ARE.

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I JUST WENT THROUGH TO SEE IF ALL THE, ALL THE EFFECTIVE CONDITIONS HERE, ALL THE INFORMATION HERE WAS INCLUDED IN THE PLANNING BOARD ORDER.

AND YES, IT WAS.

AND IT'S YOUR OPINION.

IT WAS.

OKAY, PERFECT.

SO I, AND MR. ELIZABETH HAD JUST ONE SEC, JUST SURE.

SORRY.

IS THERE A MECHANISM IN PLACE, SO LET'S SAY A PROJECT COMES TO US FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PURPOSES, BUT THE BOARD DECIDES TO PUT AN OPERATION CONDITION ON THAT, SO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.

SO THEN OUR ORDER WOULD HAVE DESIGN AND THE OPERATION.

SO WHAT PREVENTS AN APPLICANT IN THE FUTURE? OH, I DIDN'T LIKE THAT IS TOO RESTRICTIVE TO APPLY THEM TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR A DIFFERENT, NO, 'CAUSE SO THE, THE PLANNING BOARD, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE TO OBTAIN A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, ONLY THE PLANNING BOARD CAN APPROVE THAT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, ONLY THE PLANNING BOARD.

SO YOU CAN'T COME HERE FOR THAT.

NO, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT LET'S SAY THERE IS NO OPERATIONAL CONDITION PREEXISTING ONE.

SO THERE WAS A CASE LIKE, UM, COUPLE MONTHS AGO THERE WAS THE BAR AND WE MENTIONED THAT THE BAR SHOULD NOT OPERATE PAST WHATEVER.

BUT THAT'S BECAUSE, SO IN THAT CASE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR VARIANCE REGARDING THE, UM, OKAY.

SO THAT'S, SO YEAH, BUT LET'S SAY, SO, SO THEN WHAT, WHAT PREVENTS THAT APPLICANT, FOR INSTANCE, NEXT YEAR? SO I WANNA EXTEND MY HOURS.

SO LET ME APPLY TO THE PLANNING BOARD OPERATIONAL.

NO, BECAUSE IN THAT OPERATIONAL, IN THAT CASE, THERE'S AN ASSOCIATED VARIANCE.

SO ONLY THE, ONLY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD CAN APPROVE THE VARIANCE FOR, UM, EXTENDING HOURS OPERATION.

NOW, I DO THINK THAT THAT'S AN ERROR IN THE CODE, BECAUSE REALLY THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD REVIEW IN TERMS OF OPERATIONS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE, WE, UH, REQUIRE A VARIANCE FOR HOURS OF OPERATION FOR OUTDOOR BAR COUNTY TO COME TO HERE.

THAT REALLY SHOULD BE, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD.

I THINK THAT WAS DONE BECAUSE BACK YEARS AGO, REMEMBER ALL VARIANCES REVIEWED BY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

SO WE TRIED TO CONSOLIDATE THEM.

AND SO THAT IF, IF AN APPLICANT WAS COMING TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, THEY COULD JUST COME TO ONE BOARD INSTEAD OF HAVING AN APPLICATION, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, UM, DESIGN ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR VARIANCES, ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR A, UM, A CUP.

SO WE TRY TO CONSOLIDATE IT FOR THE, FOR, UM, THE APPLICANT'S.

THANK YOU, LINDSAY.

NO, YOU'RE, NO, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY WHY WE CHANGED IT IN ORDER TO MAKE IT ARGUABLY EASIER ON THE APPLICANT THAT THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO BE BEFORE THREE DIFFERENT BOARDS TO GET ONE PROJECT APPROVED.

IN THEORY.

EXACTLY.

UM, I THINK PROBABLY LOOKING, YOU KNOW, UM, IN THE FUTURE, PROBABLY A CONDITION IN THE, IN THE 2024 ORDER THAT SAID THIS ORDER SUPERSEDES, YOU KNOW, PRIOR ORDERS IN TERMS OF, UM, ANY PREVIOUS, UM, UM, OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS THAT WERE PLACED ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY PREVIOUSLY.

I MEAN, 'CAUSE I THINK RIGHT NOW, OTHERWISE YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT, UM, ALL THE PRIVATE ORDERS IN THE PROPERTY TO SEE WHAT APPLIES IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CONDITION LIKE THAT IN, IN A, IN NEW ORDER.

AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WAS ASKING WHY THIS WASN'T DISCUSSED IN 24.

I MEAN, SO I REMEMBER THIS APPLICANT, THIS APPLICATION.

I REMEMBER LARGELY THE DISCUSSION ABOUT TRAFFIC, BUT I, THE CIRCULAR FLOW.

BUT NONETHELESS, I REMEMBER THIS APPLICATION AND, UM, AND YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THE HISTORY OF THE, I, I HAVEN'T GONE BACK TO LOOK AT IT, BUT TYPICALLY THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT AND WHAT HAS COME BEFORE US AND THIS AND THE OTHER WOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED.

UM, SO THOSE CONDITIONS WOULD'VE BEEN THERE.

AND SO THEN, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT IT'S GONE BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND SHIFTED THINGS AROUND, TO ME IT WOULD'VE MADE MORE SENSE JUST, UH, TO HAVE SAID THE 2024 ORDER AT THAT TIME SUPERSEDES ALL OTHER, YOU KNOW, ORDERS PRIOR TO THIS, WHICH NATURALLY FOLLOWS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

AGREED.

UM, AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE EXPLICIT, BUT I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH GOING BACK AND MODIFYING A 2011 ORDER NOW.

THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH, RIGHT.

BECAUSE WHEN I GO LOOK AT THE STATUTE, I CAN LOOK AT EVERY VERSION THAT EVER EXISTED.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S A NEW VERSION NOW, BUT I CAN STILL GO LOOK AT THE OLD VERSION.

AND SO NOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMING TO US ASKING US TO GO BACK AND CHANGE A 2011 ORDER.

THAT THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE STRUGGLE THAT I'M HAVING.

RIGHT? IT'S THE PROCEDURE, NOT NECESSARILY THE OUTCOME.

HOW'S THAT? UM, SORRY, THAT WAS MORE OF A QUESTION, MORE OF A CONFIDENT A QUESTION, BUT I THINK, SO THE BOARD DID SOMETHING SIMILAR.

REMEMBER THE, UM, THE, THE LESLIE HOTEL IN OCEAN DRIVE MM-HMM .

THE BOARD JUST DID THIS EXACT SAME THING, I THINK IN THE SUMMER.

'CAUSE WE HAD, WE HAD SOME OF THE MOST RESTRICTIVE, UM, OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS ON THE LESLIE MM-HMM .

UM, AND THEN WE HAD AN ASSOCIATED PLANNING BOARD ORDER COME AT THE SAME TIME.

SO WE REMOVED ALL THOSE CONDITIONS FROM THE LESLIE AND PUT 'EM ON THE PLANNING BOARD.

SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR THE OUTCOME AND NOT THE OUTCOME, PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, BUT THE OUTCOME ON PAPER, THE 2011 ORDER THAT WAS ISSUED IN 2011 WILL NO LONGER EXIST.

I DO THINK THAT ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE WOULD'VE BEEN TO MODIFY THE 2024 ORDER.

BUT I, BUT I THINK THIS, THIS IS ACTUALLY PROBABLY STRONGER BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT ALL THOSE CONDITIONS IN 2011 VERSUS THE 2024 ORDER COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE PRIOR CONDITIONS.

SO I THINK THIS IS MORE, MAYBE MORE TRANSPARENT BECAUSE WE'RE CLEARLY GOING THROUGH AND REMOVING THOSE CONDITIONS NOW AS WE'RE PART OF THE 20 20 11.

UM, YEAH, IN THE END, BASICALLY IT SHOULD BE THAT WHEN WE HAVE A, AN ASSOCIATED, UM, PLANNING BOARD ORDER FOR PROPERTY, THE, THE HVB OR DRB SHOULD NOT BE REVIEWING THE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS.

SO,

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IS THERE ANY SORT OF HISTORIC RECORD OF IT, OR IT'LL EXIST.

IT'LL EXIST.

WE MODIFIED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD.

WE'LL HAVE THE ORIGINAL ORDER, WE'LL HAVE THIS MODIFIED ORDER.

UM, SO IT'S ALL GONNA BE IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS.

I'M JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE.

THIS IS CLARIFY.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, SO I, I'M LOOKING AT THE LAWYER.

I'M, THIS IS CLEANUP.

IT REALLY IS JUST CLEANUP.

SO RIGHT, RIGHT.

NOW, IF, IF I'M A PERMANENT REVIEWER AND I'M GIVING THIS, THIS NEW APPLICATION FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND LOOK AND SEE ALL THE ORDERS THAT I CAN SEE ON THE PROPERTY.

I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND FIND THIS 2011 ORDER.

AND WITHOUT THIS MODIFICATION, I'M GONNA SAY, OH, ALL THESE CONDITIONS APPLY.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THIS SO THAT WHEN SOMEONE LOOKS AT THIS IN THE FUTURE, THEY CAN SEE THAT THIS WAS MODIFIED, THESE CONDITIONS WERE THERE FOR HISTORICAL RECORD, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE DELETING.

WE SHOWED THE CROSS THROUGH THE STRIKETHROUGH THAT THAT STRIKETHROUGH EXISTS.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE REMOVING THE TEXT.

THAT TEXT WILL BE THERE WITH A STRIKETHROUGH, NOT LIKE WE'RE ELIMINATING.

SO IT'S ALL GONNA BE THERE FOR, FOR HISTORIC RECORD.

AND, AND, UM, LINDSAY, IF IT WOULD GIVE THE BOARD COMFORT, UM, THAT WE COULD INCLUDE JUST A REFERENCE TO SAY, NOT INCORPORATING THE PLAYING BOARD ORDER 'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THAT.

BUT A REFERENCE TO SAY THAT, UM, THAT ON DECEMBER, YOU KNOW, NINTH, 2025, RIGHT.

THAT THESE, THAT THESE CONDITIONS WERE ADDRESSED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND THAT ORDER THAT THE PLANNING APPROVED A, A SEPARATE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH ADDRESSED OPERATIONAL ISSUES.

I, I HOPE THE APPLICANT WOULD NOT OBJECT TO THAT, JUST, JUST FOR REFERENCE PURPOSES, SO THAT IF SOMEONE CAME ACROSS THIS ORDER, THEY COULD FOLLOW THE PAPER TRAIL.

'CAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY LOOKS AT THIS AND SAYS, WHY DID WE DELETE ALL OF THIS? RIGHT.

ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LAY PERSON LOOKING AT THIS AS OPPOSED TO A PERMIT.

I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHY DID THE HPV DELETE THESE NOISE RESTRICTIONS, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND.

THEY CAN SEE THAT THIS IS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE GO, THEY NEED TO GO LOOK AS WELL.

ABSOLUTELY.

IN TERMS OF OUTCOME, REALLY WHERE WE LAND HERE IS THE SAME PLACE.

THE 2024 HPV ORDER CONTROLS, THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT THAT YOU APPROVED AND THE 2025 CP ORDER WILL CONTROL THE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS FOR THAT, FOR THAT REDESIGN WITH THE REFERENCE BACK TO THE 2011.

I MEAN, SO I, I WOULD, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'M JUMPING AHEAD.

WE'VE GOT COMMENT.

WELL, LET'S DO, LET'S, UM, I JUST GO AHEAD.

WE, WE DO HAVE TO FINISH AT NOON TODAY.

SO WE NEED MOVE YES.

MOVE QUICK ON THESE APPLICATIONS.

YES, YES, YES.

UM, BUT LEMME TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE, UM, WE FIRST DO, UM, BOARD DISCLOSURES AND THEN, UM, ARE THERE ANY DISCLOSURES ON THIS ITEM? NO.

SEEING NONE, UH, PUBLIC OPEN, PUBLIC HEARING, THERE'S, UH, ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.

HI, ROGER GOLDBERG, MDPL 1000 OCEAN DRIVE.

UH, WE DO NOT SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO REMOVE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS FROM THE 2011 HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD ORDER AS, UH, I'VE OBSERVED THE PAST HALF HOUR.

THIS APPLICATION LACKS SUFFICIENT CLARITY REGARDING WHAT IS ACTUALLY CHANGING REQUESTED COMPARISON, SHOWING THE EXISTING HPB CONDITIONS VERSUS WHAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD, INCLUDING ANY MODIFICATIONS MADE DURING THAT HEARING.

WITHOUT THIS INFORMATION, WE CANNOT ADEQUATELY EVALUATE THE TRUE IMPACT OF THE CHANGES.

WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRESIDENT DISTRICT SET FOR WE CALL BOARD CHOPPING, WHERE APPLICANTS CAN SEEK APPROVAL FROM MULTIPLE BOARDS AND SELECT THE LEAST RESTRICTIVE OUTCOME.

THE 2011 OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS WERE THOROUGHLY CONSIDERED AND ADOPTED FOR VALID REASONS, REQUESTED DEFERRAL TO ALLOW ADEQUATE TIME FOR ANALYSIS AND TO ENSURE ALL PARTIES UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF REMOVING THESE LONGSTANDING PROTECTIONS.

ANYONE, ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC? THERE'S NOBODY WITH THEIR HAND RAISED ON ZOOM.

NOBODY ON ZOOM? OKAY.

WELL, WITH THAT, WE'LL, UM, THANK YOU.

UH, WE'LL GO TO BOARD MEMBER COMMENT OR, UM, IF YOU PREFER TO SAY SOMETHING OR MAKE A MOTION ONCE WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT NOBODY HAS ANYTHING LEFT TO SAY ANYTHING .

I'M LOOKING AT.

LOVE THE FACT THAT I GOT HANDED THIS THIS MORNING, UM, WHILE I'M SITTING HERE, UM, IN ORDER TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS, UM, BECAUSE IT WASN'T PART OF MY PACKET.

WELCOME.

UM, SO I THINK MY THOUGHT PROCESS, AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS MADE BY MDPL.

UM, I WAS SKIMMING THROUGH THIS AND I WILL SAY I WAS SKIMMING, BUT I ALSO HAVE IN FRONT OF ME TESTIMONY FROM TWO SWORN WITNESSES, BOTH OUR STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, SAYING THAT THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH IT ONE BY ONE TO ENSURE THAT THE CONDITIONS ARE THERE.

AND, AND I, ASIDE FROM THE ONE THAT WAS DISCUSSED, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING THAT I CAN'T IDENTIFY THAT DIDN'T CROSS OVER.

UM, ADMITTEDLY I DON'T

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UM, BUT TAKING, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, TAKING THE TESTIMONY INTO CONSIDERATION AND THE FACT THAT I'VE HAD, I HAVE TWO WITNESSES WHO'VE TESTIFIED THAT THE CONDITIONS HAVE IN FACT TRANSFERRED OVER FROM THE 2011 ORDER TO THE COP THAT IS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.

UM, AND THEREFORE THE PRACTICAL OUTCOME IS NO DIFFERENT THAN IF IT STAYED IN PLACE.

BUT FOR THE CLEANUP, UM, I, I THINK I CAN SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION AS IT STANDS AND WE'LL INCLUDE A REFERENCE IN THIS ORDER TO THE 2025 APPROVAL FROM LAST WEEK.

I, I, WITH THAT, UH, ONE ADDITION, ANYBODY ELSE WANNA COMMENT ON THIS BEFORE A MOTION? MAKING A MOTION? NOPE.

SEE, DO YOU WANNA MAKE A, A MOTION THEN SEE TO YOUR, YEAH.

UM, SO I WILL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION, UM, APPROVE THE, UH, UH, APPROVE THE APPLICATION AND THE DRAFT ORDER AS PRESENTED BY STAFF WITH THE ADDITION OF A REFERENCE TO THE CUP THAT WAS APPROVED DECEMBER 9TH, 2025.

AND THEN HOW ARE WE DEALING WITH THIS? SO, SO THERE WOULD BE, I UNDERSTAND YOUR MOTION, THERE'D BE TWO CHANGES.

ONE WOULD BE A REFERENCE TO THE DECEMBER 9TH, 2025, UM, PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL OF A MODIFIED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

AND, AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT REFERENCE IS TO SAY THAT ALL OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS IN EFFECT FOR THIS APPLICATION ARE SET FORTH AND HAVE BEEN CONSOLIDATED IN THAT MODIFIED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

AND THEN YOUR, UM, YOUR SECOND CONDITION WOULD BE TO THE 24 ORDER WOULD SUPERSEDE TO SAY THAT IN THE EVENT OF A CONFLICT BETWEEN THIS ORDER, MEANING THE MODIFIED 2011 ORDER AND THE 2024 ORDER, THAT THE 2024 ORDER, THE 2024 ORDER WILL CONTROL.

AND THAT, AND THAT'S AS TO THE DESIGN OF THE, THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT? YES.

SO LEMME SEE IF I CAN RESTATE THAT IF NECESSARY FOR CLARITY.

SO APPROVE THE DRAFT ORDER WITH THE ADDITION OF A REFERENCE TO THE DECEMBER 9TH, 2025 PLANNING BOARD, COP, UM, UH, AND, UH, A REFERENCE THAT IN THE EVENT OF A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE REVISED 2011 ORDER THAT WE'RE APPROVING TODAY, IN THEORY, UM, AND THE 2024 ORDER THAT WE ISSUED LAST YEAR, THAT THE 2024 ORDER WILL CONTROL AS TO DESIGN.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? DO YOU HAVE I HAVE A QUESTION.

QUESTION.

THE PLANNING BOARD ORDER DOESN'T TAKE EFFECT FOR 30 DAYS.

UH, NICK? UH, NO.

THE PLANNING BOARD ORDER TAKES EFFECT ONCE IT'S RENDERED.

UM, YOU MAY BE ALLUDING TO THE APPEAL PERIOD.

THAT AN APPEAR APPEAL COULD BE FOLLOWED.

COULD BE FILED, UM, WITHIN 30 DAYS OF RENDITION OF THE PLANNING BOARD ORDER.

SO WHAT WHAT I WOULD ADD IS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

IF THERE SHOULD BE AN APPEAL THAT, UH, OUR, UH, UH, TENTATIVE APPROVAL TODAY WOULD BE, UH, UH, RESCINDED AND IT WOULD COME BACK TO US.

IS THAT POSSIBLE? I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND INCLUDING THAT LANGUAGE.

I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD JUST HELD A HEARING LAST WEEK.

UM, BUT THE ACTUAL, UH, IF I, IF I, IF I MAY, OKAY.

THE, THE PLANNING BOARD JUST HELD A, A HEARING LAST WEEK AND APPROVED MODIFICATIONS TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH INCLUDED A NUMBER OF OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS THAT RELATE TO NOISE AND ENTERTAINMENT.

UM, IF THAT ORDER IS APPEALED, THEN THE OPERATIONAL ISSUES ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE RESOLVED IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE COURSE OF THAT APPEAL.

UM, ULTIMATELY THE, IF, IF AN APPLICATION REQUIRES, IF A PROJECT REQUIRES CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD CONTROLS ON MATTERS OF OPERATIONS, UM, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IN, IN INSTANCES WHERE THERE IS, IS NO PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL REQUIRED THAT THIS BOARD MAY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO IMPOSE OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS.

UM, BUT I THINK FOR CLARITY OF THE, OF THE RECORD, AND, UM, AND, AND IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THE PLANNING BOARD JUST APPROVED MODIFICATIONS TO THE UP LAST WEEK, I WOULD, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND HAVING A, A, LIKE A SPRINGING CONDITION LIKE THAT IN THIS ORDER.

OURS, LIKE PROVE IT EFFECTIVE 60 DAYS FROM NOW? IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? WHY WOULD YOU, OH, SORRY, , WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT, LINDSAY? WHAT, WHAT WAS THE REASON? WHAT WOULD BE, WELL, I'M NOT, I'M NOT GONNA PROBABLY SIGN THE ORDER FOR WITHIN LIKE A MONTH ANYWAY, SO IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAVE HAPPENED FOR A MONTH.

I WAS GOING TO ASK, COULD WE DELAY THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF

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I, I, I TOOK MITCH'S CONCERN TO BE THAT BECAUSE THE PLANNING BOARD ORDER IS NOT FINAL, MEANING THAT IT COULD BE APPEALED.

HE'S CONCERNED THAT THE CONDITIONS DROP OFF.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALISTIC NECESSARILY, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE HE IS COMING FROM.

AND SO TO GUARD AGAINST THAT, I WAS ASKING IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.

I HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW.

SO THAT'S WHY I DIRECTED IT BACK THAT WAY.

BUT THEN, UM, OUR LOVELY STAFF SAID THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA SIGN IT FOR A WHILE ANYHOW, SO, ALL RIGHT.

READY? I WILL SECOND LINDSAY'S ORIGINAL.

WE'RE, THAT'S CLOSING DISCUSSION.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UM, OR NO, IT OPENS DISCUSSION.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ? ALRIGHT.

SEEING NONE.

UM, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A VOTE OR ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? AND PASSES? FIVE, SIX TO ZERO.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYBODY.

WELL, YEAH, THIS IS, UM, HPV 25 DASH 0 6 5 6.

YOU TOO.

UM, MICHAEL, CAN I JUST ASK ABOUT THE CONTINUANCE AND, UM, 1600 WASHINGTON? DO WE, UM, DO WE NEED A VOTE ON THAT OR DO YOU WANT TO OH, I'M SORRY.

I TALK, YOU'RE RIGHT.

I, I COMPLETELY SKIPPED THAT ONE.

UM, ACTUALLY ON,

[2. HPB25-0656, 1600 Washington Avenue, 425 16th Street and 1601 Drexel Avenue.]

THIS WAS OFFICIALLY CONTINUED TO TODAY'S MEETING.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE NOW TO THE, UM, THE JANUARY, UM, 13TH MEETING.

WE HAVE ALREADY ADVERTISED IT FOR JANUARY 13TH, JUST SO YOU KNOW.

UM, I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MEET YET WITH THE APPLICANT.

I THINK A MEETING WITH HIM NEXT WEEK TO GO OVER DESIGN CHANGES.

AT THIS POINT, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE ASKING FOR ANOTHER CONTINUANCE, BUT, UM, UNLESS THEY'RE HERE, I'D RECOMMEND THE BOARD, UM, APPROVE A CONTINUANCE TO THE JANUARY 13TH MEETING.

AND IF NEEDED IN JANUARY, THEY MAY ASK FOR ANOTHER CONTINUANCE TO THE, UM, TO THE, UM, THE FEBRUARY MEETING.

SO ONE ONCE AGAIN, UH, MICHAEL, THIS IS 1651 WASHINGTON.

THIS IS, I'M SORRY, HB 25 0 6 5 6 NUMBER TWO 1600 WASHINGTON AVENUE.

OH, OKAY.

MR. FOR 25 16TH STREET.

APPLICATION IS, UM, HPV 25 DASH 0 6 7 8.

AND 16 1 11.

SO JUST PROCEDURALLY, I'D LIKE THE BOARD MEMBERS TO, UM, VOTE ON THIS.

WE HAVE FULLY ADVERTISED IT FOR JANUARY 13TH, SO THE BOARD DOES NOT BELIEVE ME TO TAKE ANY ACTION TODAY.

BUT JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY, IF SOMEONE'S LOOKING AT THIS AGENDA, I'D LIKE FOR THEM TO SEE THAT THIS IS GONNA BE ON THE JANUARY, JANUARY MEETING.

SO I'D ASK THE BOARD TO, UM, APPROVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE JANUARY 13TH MEETING.

MR. CHAIR? YES.

DO, DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE? I'M NO ONE'S STANDING UP, I'M GUESSING.

OKAY, THEN, THEN I WILL MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE.

OKAY, WE'LL SECOND, SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR CATCHING THAT.

I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT IT.

SO OUR NEXT

[4. HPB25-0678, Jefferson Avenue (from 6th Street to 11th Street) and 13th Street (from Meridian Avenue to Washington Avenue) - Slow Streets 2.0.]

THIS IS, UH, SLOW SUITES 2.0 INCLUDES JEFFERSON AVENUE FROM SIXTH STREET TO 11TH STREET AND 13TH STREET FROM REGINA AVENUE TO WASHINGTON AVENUE.

WE HAVE, UH, THE CITY'S, UM, TRANSPORTATION PARTNER HERE FOR THE PRESENTATION, AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITHOUT TURNED OVER TO MR. GONZALEZ.

THANK YOU, MICHAEL.

GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR.

JUST ONE SECOND.

I'M SORRY.

WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ABOUT, ABOUT THIS? IS DID YOU PRESENT IT AS YOU'RE GONNA BE AS MUCH AS YOU'RE GONNA PRESENT IT? NO QUESTIONS.

ALRIGHT, PLEASE.

SORRY.

GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

JOSE GONZALEZ, TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY DIRECTOR, AND I AM JOINED THIS MORNING BY OUR SENIOR TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER, GUSAN WEI.

AND, UM, GRANT WEBSTER, WHO IS THE PROJECT MANAGER.

HE'S OUR TRANSPORTATION PLANNER AND PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT.

UH, WE'RE ALSO JOINED BY OUR, UM, CONSULTANT, UH, ALTA PLANNING.

SO WE HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION AND STREET PLANS AND STREET PLANS, I'M SORRY, AND STREET PLANS COLLABORATIVE.

WE HAVE A, A PRESENTATION.

IT'S ABOUT 18 SLIDES, GIVE OR TAKE, BUT I'LL GO THROUGH IT, UH, PRETTY QUICKLY.

VERY FEW VEHICLES ON THE STREETS, AND SO VEHICULAR SPEEDS INCREASED.

SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO WHAT, WHAT ARE SLOW STREETS? SO, SLOW STREETS, ALSO CALLED OPEN STREETS ARE ROAD ROADS, STREETS, USUALLY IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE, UM, A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR BICYCLISTS AND FOR PEDESTRIANS.

THE, THE CONCEPT OF SLOW STREETS REALLY TOOK OFF DURING THE PANDEMIC WHEN, AS WE ALL KNOW, A LOT OF US WERE INDOORS.

AND SO THERE WAS THIS NEED TO BE OUTSIDE AND ENJOY THE STREETS IN A, IN A DIFFERENT WAY AND HAVE A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE, UH, IN A WAY THAT IS ACTUALLY SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND FOR BICYCLISTS.

AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, DURING THAT TIME, THERE WERE

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AND SO SLOW STREETS WAS A WAY TO MAKE OUR RESIDENTIAL STREETS SAFER FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS.

UM, ALSO STREETS WHERE MULTI MOBILITY, UH, MODES OF TRANSPORTATION ARE ENCOURAGED.

UM, DURING THE PANDEMIC, UH, SEVERAL METROPOLITAN CITIES, INCLUDING SAN FRANCISCO, NASHVILLE, DENVER, LA MILWAUKEE, AND NEW YORK CITY EXPERIMENTED WITH SLOW STREETS.

AND MANY OF THOSE CITIES HAVE KEPT SLOW STREETS IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER.

SO SLOW.

THE SLOW STREETS IN THE FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD HAS EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS.

IT STARTED AS AN EXPERIMENT, UM, UH, ON ACTUALLY LED BY THE LATE COMMISSIONER MARK SAMUEL, UH, BACK IN 20 20, 20 21.

AND, UM, AS PART OF THAT PILOT PROGRAM, WE DESIGNATED SEVERAL STREETS AS SLOW STREETS WITH VERY TEMPORARY, UM, MATERIALS AND INTERVENTIONS.

HERE YOU SEE A COUPLE PHOTOS OF WHAT'S SLOW STREETS, WHAT WE ARE DUBBING AS 1.0 LOOKED LIKE BACK IN 2020 OR 2021.

SO VERY, AS YOU CAN SEE, VERY RUSTIC MATERIALS, BARRICADES, CONSTRUCTION TYPE BARRICADES THAT SAY CONSTRUCTION, UH, THAT SAY LOCAL TRAFFIC ONLY.

WE THEN TRIED TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE ATTRACTIVE AND CREATED, YOU KNOW, SOME UNIQUE SIGNAGE, UH, BILINGUAL ACTUALLY, UH, THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS, TELLING PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN THAT THE SPEED WAS 20 MILES AN HOUR, AND THAT THESE WERE STREETS THAT WERE SAFE INTENDED TO BE SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS.

UM, AND THE, THE GOAL WAS REALLY TO TEST OUT THE, THESE INTERVENTIONS TO SEE IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEM PERMANENT, UH, IN THE LONG TERM.

SO THERE WERE SEVERAL LESSONS THAT WERE LEARNED AS PART OF THAT, UH, 1.0 PILOT PROGRAM.

UM, THE FIRST ONE THAT I WANNA MENTION IS THAT THE CONCEPT IN AND OF ITSELF WAS EMBRACED BY THE COMMUNITY MAKING STREETS SAFER.

IT'S MOTHERHOOD AND APPLE PIE.

WHO CAN, WHO CAN ARGUE WITH THAT? HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SOME, SOME, UH, CONCERNS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED, UH, AMONG THEM.

THE THE NEED FOR THE MATERIALS TO BE BE MORE AESTHETIC AND MORE DURABLE.

UM, IF ANY OF YOU, UH, WERE HERE DURING THAT TIME OR LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT SOME OF THOSE SIGNS WERE FREQUENTLY KNOCKED DOWN, EVEN ON A WINDY DAY.

THEY WERE KNOCKED DOWN AND THEN REQUIRED A LOT OF MAINTENANCE.

IT WAS ALSO THIS, THIS, UH, TEST WAS DONE WITH A VERY LOW BUDGET.

SO THESE WERE NOT VERY DURABLE AESTHETIC MATERIALS.

SO WE LEARNED, YOU KNOW, WE LEARNED THAT IF WE WANTED THIS TO BE IMPLEMENTED ON A LONG-TERM VA BASIS FOR IT TO BE VIABLE AND AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY, IT, IT, UM, UH, THE, THE LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE ISSUES NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.

AND BECAUSE IT WAS A PILOT, WE COLLECTED DATA BOTH BEFORE THE PILOT AND AFTER.

AND, UM, THE DATA ACTUALLY SHOWED THAT THESE VERY TEMPORARY INTERVENTIONS WERE VERY EFFECTIVE IN REDUCING SPEEDS, PARTICULARLY ON THE VERY WIDE STREETS.

THERE'S SOME STREETS IN, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE EXTREMELY WIDE, EASY TO SPEED THROUGH.

SO, UH, THESE INTERVENTIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, LOCATED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREETS SOMETIMES, AS YOU CAN SEE, WERE EFFECTIVE IN THAT REGARD.

SO LET'S FAST FORWARD TO FLAMINGO STREETS, UH, 2.0.

SO THE GOALS OF THE, OF THE 2.0 PROJECT ARE INITIALLY THE SAME AS THE 1.0.

THE IDEA IS TO CREATE FRIENDLY STREETS.

HOWEVER, THE, THE METHOD IS VERY DIFFERENT.

IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE MORE PERMANENT IN NATURE.

AND WE ACTUALLY BROUGHT SOME MATERIALS, UH, FOR YOU TO SEE HERE.

AND THEY'LL ALSO BE ON THE, UH, ON, ON THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION FOR THOSE VIEWING FROM FROM HOME.

SO I, UH, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE DID WITH 2.0 WAS TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY.

WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION COMMUNITY, UH, ACTIVISTS AND, AND LEADERS, UH, TO TRY TO, UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST IDENTIFY THE STREETS WHERE THESE INTERVENTIONS SHOULD OCCUR.

WE WISH THAT WE COULD DO THEM ON MORE STREETS.

UH, HOWEVER, UM, THE BUDGET WAS, WAS SIMPLY NOT THERE.

SO THE CONSENSUS WAS TO FOCUS ON STREETS THAT PROVIDE DIRECT CONNECTIVITY TO FLAMINGO, UH, PARK, PROBABLY THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MOST VALUABLE ASSET IN THE FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, THE STREETS, UM, OF JEFFERSON AVENUE AND

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13TH STREET WERE IDENTIFIED AS THE STREETS TO, TO FOCUS ON AS PART OF THIS SLOW STREETS 2.0 EFFORT.

UM, SO SOME OF THE KEY FEATURES THAT WE ARE PROPOSING AS PART OF, UH, SLOW STREETS 2.0 ON ALONG JEFFERSON AVENUE AND ALONG 13TH STREET, UH, INCLUDE A PARKING PROTECTED TWO-WAY GREEN CYCLE TRACK ALONG JEFFERSON AVENUE FROM SIXTH STREET TO 11TH STREET, TRAFFIC, CALMING FEATURES ALONG 13TH STREET FROM MERIDIAN AVENUE TO WASHINGTON AVENUE, AND PAINTED AND DELINEATED CURB EXTENSIONS ALONG BOTH STREETS.

SO WHY THESE STREETS AND WHY THIS DESIGN? AS I MENTIONED, UM, THESE STREETS PROVIDE THE MAIN INGRESS AND EGRESS, UH, FOR FLAMINGO PARK.

UM, ALSO, UM, PARTICULAR TO THE CYCLE TRACK, WHY A CYCLE TRACK? A LOT, A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY ASK WHY NOT JUST A CONVENTIONAL, UH, BIKE BIKE LANE, YOU KNOW, ONE ON EACH SIDE OF THE STREET, ONE GOING NORTH AND ONE GOING SOUTH.

WELL, JEFFERSON AVENUE JUST SIMPLY ISN'T WIDE ENOUGH TO PROVIDE A TWO FOOT BUFFER.

AND IT'S, THAT'S A REQUIRED TWO FOOT BUFFER, UM, FOR THE BIKE LANE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

BY, BY CONSOLIDATING BOTH BIKE LANES AS ONE FACILITY ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, WE ACT, THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY ECONOMIES OF SCALE, UH, AND COST SAVINGS FOR THE PROJECT BECAUSE WE SAVE ON THE NUMBER OF PROTECTION DEVICES WE SAVE IN TERMS OF THE, UH, THE BUFFER AREAS, UH, THAT ARE NEEDED AND, UM, AND STRIPING AND PAINT.

SO BASICALLY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A COST SAVINGS AS WELL AS A, UM, UH, FEASIBILITY, UH, ISSUE, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH A CYCLE TRACK RATHER THAN TWO WAY SEPARATED BIKE LANES ON EACH SIDE OF THE STREET.

ALSO WANNA MENTION THAT A CYCLE TRACK REDUCES THE NUMBER OF CONFLICTS BETWEEN PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICLES AND VEHICLES ENTERING AND EXITING DRIVEWAYS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE CONSOLIDATED ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET RATHER THAN ON BOTH SIDES.

SO THESE ARE SOME EXCERPTS FROM OUR 100% SIGN AND SEAL PERMIT DRAWINGS, UM, FROM OCTOBER OF 2024.

UH, THIS SHOWS JEFFERSON AVENUE PARTIC SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN SEVENTH STREET AND EIGHTH STREET.

IT SHOWS THE CYCLE TRACK ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF JEFFERSON AVENUE.

AND, UH, HERE YOU SEE TWO INTERSECTIONS, BUT ALONG JEFFERSON AVENUE WE'LL HAVE SIX INTERSECTIONS WITH PAINTED CURB EXTENSIONS, UH, BETWEEN SIXTH STREET AND 11TH STREET.

AND I'LL, UH, GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL ON THE PAINTED CURB EXTENSIONS IN A SECOND.

THIS IS AN EXCERPT OF 13TH STREET BETWEEN EUCLID AND PENNSYLVANIA AVENUES.

UH, WHAT THIS SHOWS IS, UH, THE SPEED CUSHIONS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ALONG 13TH STREET TO, UH, CALM TRAFFIC.

IT SHOWS THE PAINTED MEDIANS.

CAN YOU USE YOUR CURSOR TO POINT THAT OUT PLEASE? OH, WELL THE SURE IF I, IF SOMEONE CAN DIRECT ME AS TO WHERE THE CURSOR IS.

OH, IT, NO, IT'S ON YOUR COMPUTER.

OH, JUST YOUR, THE LITTLE THING.

SO WHEN YOU, BECAUSE YOU'RE POINTING OUT TINY THINGS, I'M NOT SURE WE CAN SEE THEM.

SO, UM, THE SPEED, THE SPEED CUSHIONS ARE THESE LITTLE GREEN RECTANGULAR SYMBOLS.

OH, I STILL THAT I'M POINT TO.

I DON'T SEE YOUR CURSOR.

OH, IT IS, YOUR HAND IS THE CURSOR THERE.

THE CUR I'M SEEING THE CURSOR.

HERE YOU ARE.

OH, USUALLY WE SEE IT WITH YOU.

UM, OKAY, SO THEY'RE THESE, RIGHT? NO.

OKAY, SO FIRST LET ME MAKE SURE I, NOPE POINT, DO YOU KNOW HOW TO POINT ON THIS THING SO THAT THEY SEE IT? OH, MAYBE IF YOU DO IT LIKE THAT.

YEAH, WE CAN SEE IT THERE.

ALRIGHT, SO, UM, GO AHEAD AND USE YOUR, USE THE CURSOR, UH, JOSE WITH YOUR FINGER AND USE THE TRACK PAD AND THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE, THERE YOU GO.

SO THE HELPS THE SPEED CUSHIONS ARE ACTUALLY THESE WHITE BOXES HERE.

IS IT SHOWING? NO, IT'S NOT SHOWING ON THIS ONE RIGHT THERE.

CAN YOU POINT TO IT? YEAH.

SO THERE'S THE, THIS IS GAAN.

SO THE, THE SPEED BUMP IS BASICALLY RIGHT HERE IS THE, UH, PAVEMENT MARKING.

THE SPEED BUMP IS BETWEEN THE TWO BUMPS.

I DO NOT KNOW WHY IT'S SHOWING THIS.

BETWEEN THE TWO BUMPS WHERE IT SAYS BUMPS.

WHERE THE TWO BUMPS? IT'S, I NEED TO SEE IF I CAN DRAW SOMETHING IN HERE.

OH, IT'S OKAY.

YOU CAN JUST SHOW US CURSOR.

IT'S BETWEEN THE TWO.

IT'S IN

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AND THERE'S ONE BUMP RIGHT HERE.

ONE BUMP RIGHT HERE, BUT THERE'S ONE IN THE IN BETWEEN.

I DO NOT KNOW WHERE IT SAYS WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO GET A, A BETTER PICTURE MAYBE.

UM, OKAY.

SO, AND APOLOGIES FOR THAT.

SO THE ELEMENTS UNDER THIS BOARD'S, UH, PURVIEW AND REALLY THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY ARE TO DISCUSS TWO ITEMS, THE K BLESS YOU, THE K 71 BOLLARDS AND THE CURB EXTENSION PAINT.

SO THE K 71 BOLLARDS, WHICH WE'RE PROPOSING TO BE WHITE IN COLOR, UH, ARE MORE AESTHETICALLY APPEALING THAN THE, THE TYPICAL VERY THIN WHITE PLASTIC DELINEATORS THAT WE SEE ALONG SOME OF THE ROADWAYS THAT ARE USED MORE FOR, UM, CONSTRUCTION TYPE PROJECTS AND, UH, TEMPORARY APPLICATIONS.

THEY ALSO PROVIDE MORE ENHANCED PROTECTION BECAUSE THEY'RE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE WIDER, THEY'RE MORE ROBUST, THEY HAVE MORE REFLECTIVITY, UH, TO THEM.

AND SO THE IDEA IS TO PLACE THESE, UH, BOLLARDS AT THE EDGES OF THE CURB EXTENSIONS AT THE INTERSECTIONS, AT ALL FOUR POINTS OF, OF THE INTERSECTIONS, UM, TO, TO DEDICATE THE AREA THAT CURB EXTENSION AS A SAFE PEDESTRIAN REFUGE AREA.

AND THEN WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO INSTALL THESE DEVICES AT THE ENTRANCES AND OF, AT THE ENDS OF EACH BLOCK ON THE BIKE LANE TO DETER VEHICLES FROM ENTERING AND DRIVING ALONG THE BIKE LANE.

THEY, UM, AND THEN THE, THE, THE THIRD LOCATION WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING TO INSTALL THEM IS ALONG THE PAINTED MEDIANS ON 13TH STREET.

SO 13TH STREET WILL HAVE SOME PAINTED MEDIANS TO VISUALLY NARROW THE ROAD FOR DRIVERS, UM, BECAUSE THE LANES ARE CURRENTLY VERY WIDE.

SO BY NARROWING THE TRAVEL LANES, IT GIVES DRIVERS THAT VISUAL, UM, FEEL THAT THE ROAD IS MORE NARROW AND IT REDUCES VEHICULAR SPEEDS.

AND BY ADDING THESE, UH, K 71 BOLLARDS, IT FURTHER DELINEATES THE TRAVEL LANE AND, UM, REALLY, UM, SLOWS TRAFFIC DOWN.

THESE ARE SOME IMAGES NOT ON, UM, NOT ALONG 13TH STREET OR ALONG JEFFERSON AVENUE, JUST, YOU KNOW, OTHER PLACES YOU SEE WHAT THEY LOOK, UH, DURING THE DAYTIME AND THE NIGHTTIME RE REFLECTIVITY AS WELL.

UM, HERE YOU SEE SOME EXAMPLES FROM LOS ANGELES AND CALIFORNIA.

UH, ON THE RIGHT, YOU SEE THEM IN GREEN.

THEY COME IN IN DIFFERENT COLORS, AGAIN, JUST USED TO, TO DELINEATE, UH, AREAS.

AND THEY, THEY ARE DRIVABLE.

IF, IF A CAR, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S A WILL, THERE'S A WAVE.

IF A CAR GOES OVER IT, THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON, ON THE SPEED, UH, THEY, THEY MAY EITHER POP BACK UP OR IF THEY DON'T, THEN UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL NEED TO BE, UM, MAINTAINED.

HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF THE K 71 BOLLARDS INSTALLED IN THE PAINTED MEDIAN HERE.

THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, VERY ON THE LEFT, YOU SEE THEM, UH, VERY CLOSELY SPACED ON THE RIGHT.

YOU SEE THEM, YOU KNOW, FURTHER, FURTHER SPACED, AND I'LL GET INTO THE SPACING OF THESE IN A SECOND.

SO, UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE K 71 BALLARD.

AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE PROPOSING THEM TO BE WHITE, TO BE SPACED AT EIGHT FEET, CENTER TO CENTER, AND THEY, THEY ACTUALLY, THEY ATTACH TO THE ASPHALT THROUGH A RUBBER BASE AND A BOLT.

SO IF THEY DO FALL DOWN, THEY'RE VERY EASY TO JUST REDIRECT OR TO REPLACE.

THE SECOND ELEMENT, UM, THAT WE'RE, UH, DISCUSSING FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION ARE THE PAINTED, UH, CURB EXTENSION, SPECIFICALLY THE PAINT.

WHICH, UM, IS THE, THE, THE BRAND IS STREET BOND, SB ONE 50, AND THE COLOR THAT WAS SELECTED IS ROSE DUST.

ROSE DUST.

SO SAMPLE, PASS IT OFF.

OH, SURE.

THE DISTANCE THAT PEDESTRIANS ARE EXPOSED TO TRAFFIC WHEN CROSSING THE STREET AT INTERSECTIONS.

AND WE HAVE A SAMPLE WHICH, UH, GRANT WILL SHARE WITH YOU ALL.

SO, UH, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, PAINT COLOR THAT YOU'RE SEEING WAS CHOSEN FROM A TEST OF SEVERAL COLORS, UM, WITH THE GOAL OF RESEMBLING THE MIAMI BEACH RED THAT WE HAVE IN OUR SIDEWALKS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

AND THIS WAS THE CLOSEST, UH, THAT WE CAME TO THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED, CURB EXTENSIONS, UM, CREATE A DESIGNATED AREA, EXPANDED AREA FOR PEDESTRIANS, AND THEY ALSO SHORTEN

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UH, IT'S A VISUAL MESSAGE TO DRIVERS THAT THIS AREA IS NOT INTENDED TO BE DRIVEN ON.

IT IS DEDICATED FOR PEDESTRIANS.

AND, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE MAINTENANCE, I KNOW THAT THAT'S A KEY ISSUE, UH, FOR THE BOARD AS WELL AS FOR THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN HEARING, UH, FROM THE VERY FIRST MEETING WE HAD.

UH, THE IDEA IS TO, UH, CLEAN THE, THE, UH, CURB EXTENSIONS ON A REGULAR BASIS.

UH, AS IT IS THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT SWEEPS AND HAND, UH, CLEANS THE, THE AREA PRETTY FREQUENTLY.

SO THAT WILL CONTINUE.

AND THEN, UM, IN TERMS OF THE PAINT, WE DO EXPECT THAT THIS PAINT WILL LAST, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT A COUPLE YEARS.

KEEP IN MIND THAT, UM, NO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC WILL BE DRIVING ON THIS PAINT, SO WE EXPECT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WILL LAST.

BUT, UM, WE WILL MAINTAIN IT AS NEEDED.

UH, AGAIN, ALWAYS PROVIDED THAT THE FUNDING IS AVAILABLE, BUT WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT IN ADVANCE THE FUNDING IS BUDGETED FOR SO THAT THEY COULD BE MAINTAINED, UM, AS NEEDED.

SO HERE YOU SEE ON THE LEFT IS AN IMAGE, UM, OF THE, OF THE, UH, THE PAINT THAT WE SELECTED THAT MOST RESEMBLES THE MIAMI BEACH RED.

IT'S THE, IT'S THE PAINT THAT'S WITHIN THE GREEN SQUARE THAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE IMAGE.

AND THIS IS THE SAME PAINT THAT'S USED FOR TRANSIT LANES THAT WE'VE SEEN IN, YOU KNOW, OTHER METROPOLITAN CITIES IN THE US.

UH, SO IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY DURABLE.

IT IS, IT IS ACTUALLY MEANT FOR, FOR, UH, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.

UH, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN OUR CASE, IT WILL NOT BE EXPOSED TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.

AND, UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE STREET BOND, UH, PAINT.

UH, I JUST WANNA, YOU KNOW, POINT OUT THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S WATER BASED, UH, AND IT'S, IT'S EXPECTED TO BE DURABLE EVEN UNDER, YOU KNOW, VERY WET CONDITIONS.

AND AS I MENTIONED, IT IS EXPECTED TO LAST, UH, OVER TWO YEARS WITHOUT, UH, REPAINTING.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE CLOSELY MONITORING THAT, UH, TO MAINTAIN AS NEEDED AND IT WILL BE APPLIED PROFESSIONALLY USING SEVERAL COATS AND, AND INDUSTRY GRADE SEALANT.

AND WITH THAT, THAT IS OUR PRESENTATION, AND WE WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE.

UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, RAY, WE'LL, WE'LL GO DOWN THE, WE'LL GO UP THE OKAY LINE HERE.

JOSE, QUESTION FOR YOU.

I'VE BEEN TO MANY DIFFERENT CITIES AND THEY ALL HANDLE, UM, BICYCLES AND PEDESTRIANS DIFFERENTLY.

UM, DO YOU HAVE A MODEL THAT YOU FOLLOWED HERE OR IS THIS JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE COME UP WITH JUST STRICTLY FROM MIAMI BEACH? OR DID YOU ACTUALLY GO OUT AND LOOK AND SEE AT OTHER AREAS OF HOW THEY'VE HANDLED THIS TYPE OF, UH, SITUATION? SO IT'S A BLEND OF BOTH.

IT'S A BLEND OF THE TWO.

YOU MAY RECALL THAT BACK IN 2015, 2016, WE ADOPTED A BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN MASTER PLAN.

ACTUALLY, IT WAS DEVELOPED BY STREET PLANS COLLABORATIVE, THE SAME FIRM THAT'S INVOLVED WITH, WITH THIS PROJECT.

AND THE MASTER PLAN DID LOOK AT OTHER CITIES, UH, NOT JUST WITHIN THE U CONTINENTAL US BUT, UH, EUROPE AND ABROAD TO SEE WHAT THEY WERE DOING IN TERMS OF SAFE BICYCLE FACILITIES AT THAT TIME.

SO OUR, OUR, OUR BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN MASTER PLAN IS, IS SORT OF THE BLUEPRINT.

HOWEVER, OVER THE YEARS, 'CAUSE THAT WAS 2015, OVER THE YEARS, OTHER CITIES HAVE EXPERIMENTED WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF, UM, APPLICATIONS OF BICYCLE FACILITIES, INCLUDING HERE IN MIAMI BEACH AS WELL.

DURING THE PANDEMIC, WE HAD AN EXPERIMENTAL BICYCLE LANE ON, ON WASHINGTON AVENUE.

IT WAS THE FIRST PARKING PROTECTED BICYCLE LANE IN MIAMI-DADE COUNTY.

UH, OCEAN DRIVE HAS A CYCLE TRACK, A TWO-WAY CYCLE TRACK AS WELL.

SO WE'VE DONE A CYCLE TRACK BEFORE.

AND YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING ONE ON 22ND STREET TOO, AND, UH, AND ON 22ND STREET IN CONSTRUCTION.

SO, UM, SO YEAH, CYCLE TRACKS ARE, ARE, ARE I THINK SPECIFICALLY THE BALLARDS, ARE THOSE BALLARDS ONES THAT HAVE BEEN USED OTHER PLACES? UM, OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE DECIDED TO TRY HERE, UM, FOR THE FIRST TIME? SO IT, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S BEING TESTED IN MIAMI BEACH FOR THE FIRST TIME.

I'M NOT AWARE OF K 71 OTHER CITIES OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT HAVE, CERTAINLY NOT IN MIAMI-DADE COUNTY.

I'M NOT SURE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL OVER THE WORLD, OKAY.

BUT, UH, BUT NOT IN, NOT IN MIAMI-DADE COUNTY.

TRANSITION BACK FROM, UH, CYCLE TRACK TO UNIT DIRECTIONAL, WHERE DO YOU, WHERE DOES THAT TRANSITION OCCUR? HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT? SO THAT WOULD, THE CYCLE TRACK WILL EXTEND FROM SIXTH STREET ON THE SOUTH TO 13TH STREET ON THE NORTH.

UH, WAIT, HASKELL, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

REGARDING

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SO, AND I'M GONNA ASK, UM, ASANTE THAT, IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN IT REVERT, SORRY, WHEN IT REVERTS BACK TO UNIT DIRECTIONAL, HOW DO YOU TRANSITION FROM A CYCLE TRACK? WHERE DOES THAT OCCUR? SPECIFIC WAY TO TRANSITION? I'M GOING TO, UH, YOU SURE? THE PLANE? THIS IS GOOD.

CAN YOU, UH, PUT IT UP, PUT THE, MAYBE YOU HAVE THE PRESENTATION.

I DON'T HAVE THEM ON THE PRESENTATION, BUT I CAN, I CAN SHARE THE PLANS AND I PUT IT UP ON THE PAGE AND SHARE IT WITH YOU GUYS.

SO ON THE NORTH SIDE, THIS IS GOSSAN.

SO ON THE NORTH SIDE IT GOES TO, UH, LIKE YOU GUYS, WE HAVE TO SEE THIS, WE HAVE TO SEE SOMETHING WE CAN'T BE, CAN YOU TELL US, CAN, CAN YOU PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN SOMEHOW? OR ONE MOMENT WE CAN EMAIL IT? OR IS IT NO, I'M NOT.

WE PUBLIC HAS TO SEE IT TOO, MAYBE.

IS IT IN THE PLANS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? CAN, IS THERE A CAMERA THAT CAN, CAN PICK THIS UP? THE, WAS IT IN, WAS IT IN THE HARD COPY OF THE PLANS? PLANS ARE ACTUALLY, SO, SO COPY, CORRECT.

SO WHAT PAGE? THAT IS P THAT IS, SORRY.

STRIPING PLAN? UH, YEP.

D OH, MY, I'M TESTING MY GLASSES.

UH, SSTO ONE.

IS THAT RIGHT? NO, THERE'S NUMBER LOWER.

OH, OKAY.

WHERE'S THAT? 10 OUTTA 34.

AND THEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE IT'S SHEET 13 OUT OF 34.

SHEET 10 OUTTA 34.

P DID YOU GET THAT? SORRY.

UM, IT'S, UH, SHEET 10 OUT OF 34 DOWN HERE, OR I'M LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT.

IT'S S-T-V-E-O FOUR, UH, S ST STO ONE.

OH Q OH ONE.

AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE STO FOUR IS WHERE IT TRANSITIONS.

AT THE SOUTH SIDE ON .

STO FOUR.

SO BASICALLY IT'S AT THE SIDEWALK WHERE YOU, IT'S IT'S AT THE CROSSWALK.

THE TRANSITION IS, IS AT THE INTERSECTION ITSELF.

SO CYCLISTS WOULD USE THE CROSSWALK TO TRANSITION FROM GOT IT.

THE CYCLE TRACK TO THE CONVENTIONAL TO WAVE BIKE LANES.

THERE WOULD BE SHOWING LANDSCAPING IN THIS PLANT.

IS THERE LIKE TREES THAT ARE THERE THAT ARE BEING REMOVED OR ANYTHING? 'CAUSE IT'S JUST, JUST SHOWING VERY HARDSCAPING.

NO TREES WILL BE REMOVED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.

IT'LL MORE, OKAY.

SO, UM, HOW SCHOOL? YOU FI YOU FINISHED? OKAY.

THAT'S THE NORTHEAST, NORTH, NORTHWEST, SOUTHEAST, SOUTHWEST INTERSECTION.

YOU HAD A QUESTION THAT WAS THE QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK TOO, BUT HI, JOSE.

I, I, I HAVE MANY QUESTIONS.

THE PLANS CALL FOR A QUANTITY OF 521 BOLLARDS.

I'M LOOKING AT PAGE VE OH FOUR, WHICH IS SIXTH IN JEFFERSON, AND I'M COUNTING 53 BOLLARDS ON THAT INTERSECTION.

12, 13, 14, AND 14.

I'M JUST, UH, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE VISUAL IMPACT.

UH, THESE BOLLARDS ARE GONNA HAVE, IT SEEMS EXCESSIVE.

UH, AND MOREOVER, UH, YOU SAID THE PLANS WERE SIGNED AND SEALED.

UH, THE REASON THIS IS HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE OF, UH, MY COMMUNICATION WITH YOUR DEPARTMENT, WHICH MY COLLEAGUES, UH, RECEIVED TODAY.

THE EMAIL THREAD, UH, THIS BY ALL MEANS, UH, SHOULD HAVE COME TO US, UH, FOR REVIEW BEFORE THE PLANS WERE SIGNED AND SEALED.

UH, I, I DO HAVE A SMALL, UH, PRESENTATION, UH, THAT PJ HAS, UH, JUST, UH, A HANDFUL OR 10, 10 OR SO SLIDES.

UH, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING, UH, THIS, UH, SLOW STREETS 1.0 SINCE ITS INCEPTION.

INCEPTION.

MARK AND I, UH, OFTEN HAD A, A COLORFUL DIALOGUE, UH, ON THIS PROJECT.

IT BEGAN WITH, UH, ASIDE FROM THE BEAUTIFUL, UH, EGRET, UH, THESE MOT CONSTRUCTION SIGNS, I RAISED THE ISSUE, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, WHAT KIND OF, UH, PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT IS HAPPENING.

AND I WAS TOLD IT'S

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A SLOW STREETS PROJECT.

AND, UH, MORE COMPLAINTS FOLLOWED FROM RESIDENTS.

AND, UH, YOU SEE THE MOT SIGNS AND THEN THESE, UH, BLUE SIGNS APPEARED, UH, THAT EXPLAINED WHAT WAS HAPPENING.

UH, PJ NEXT, NEXT SLIDE.

UH, SO THIS IS THE EVOLUTION OF SLOW STREETS ONE PO 0.0, UH, THESE SIGNS AND DELINEATORS, UH, AS THEY'RE CALLED THESE, UH, BOLLARDS IN THE STREET.

UH, NEXT, NEXT, NEXT SLIDE.

UH, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN CAME THESE PLANTS IN A BAG, ALL, UH, $20,000 WORTH, UH, REALLY CLUTTERED UP THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

UH, UH, AGAIN, PLANTING A BAG, SIGN, AND BOLLARDS.

UH, NEXT, UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UH, THESE THINGS WERE OFTEN HIT, UH, REGULARLY.

I'VE SEEN THEM, UH, I'VE SEEN A FIRE TRUCK, UH, HIT THESE THINGS.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

NEXT SLIDE.

THESE ARE THE PLANTS IN A BAG.

UH, I LIKE THIS PHOTO.

THEY WERE ALL SMASHED REGULARLY.

UH, UH, THIS ENTIRE, UH, INITIATIVE HAS BEEN PLAGUED WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, BLUNDER AFTER BLUNDER.

NEXT SLIDE.

UH, THIS IS THE COURSE OF, UH, WAS IT 1.0? UH, $150,000.

UH, NEXT, NEXT SLIDE.

UH, AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, ONE OF THE CORNERS SHOWING, UH, OR, UH, INTERSECTIONS SHOWING 50 PLUS OF BOLLARDS, UH, AT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING MORE APPROPRIATE FOR, UH, 3 95 OR I 95 IN A CONSTRUCTION ZONE, NOT FOR, UH, A RESIDENTIAL AREA, UH, IN A, ESPECIALLY IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UH, I REALLY WISH YOU WOULD'VE, UH, HAD THIS, UH, BROUGHT TO US BEFORE YOU HAD YOUR SIGNED AND SEALED PLANTS.

NEXT, UH, IMAGE, UH, THIS IS RECENT CARS DRIVING OVER THESE, UH, WHAT DO THEY CALL TRI CURBS? UH, THAT WAS, UH, WHEN THEY WERE FIRST, UH, PUT IN.

I GUESS PEOPLE NEED TO GET USED TO THEM.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

UH, THIS BUDGET, UH, MILLION PLUS, UH, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THIS DESIGN, WHICH, UH, I, I BELIEVE IS DECIMATED THE, THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.

LET ME, LET ME BE CLEAR.

I'M A CYCLIST.

I'M A PEDESTRIAN.

I OCCASIONALLY DRIVE MY VEHICLE.

UH, RIGHT NOW THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC OF A DELIVERY TRUCK SHOULD BE MAKING A STOP.

IT, IT'S TURNED INTO GRIDLOCK.

YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU COULDN'T HAVE RECREATED WHAT WAS DONE ON EUCLID AND PENNSYLVANIA.

UH, I USE THOSE LANES TO NO DRAMA.

WHAT YOU, UH, CREATED THERE IS, UH, VERY DISRUPTIVE, UH, AS A PROPERTY OWNER AS WELL.

NEXT SLIDE.

THERE, THERE'S A, A, A 14 SECOND VIDEO, UH, PJA, ARE YOU ABLE TO PUT THAT ON? UH, GOT CLEARANCE FROM STAFF.

THIS WAS FROM 2021.

UH, YOU SEE THESE DELINEATORS, UH, ON EACH CORNER.

I BELIEVE IT WAS MERIDIAN IN 10TH.

I SAW THIS.

I TOOK THE VIDEO, RAISED THE QUESTION, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? THEY WERE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED.

SO BASICALLY IT'S THIS MOCKUP, WHICH IS, UH, THE PRECIPITOUS OF, OF THE PLAN IN FRONT OF US.

THESE THINGS ARE, UH, AGAIN, I'M JUST NOTHING AGAINST GREEN BIKE LANES.

IT'S THESE DELINEATORS.

THEY DON'T BELONG IN, IN THIS COMMUNITY.

ONE OR TWO, BUT CERTAINLY NOT 50.

AT, AT AN INTERSECTION, UH, UH, AT THE FIRE STATION.

AGAIN, POOR PLANNING.

YOU, YOU PUT THE GREEN BIKE LANE AND YOU REMOVE PARKING.

EVERY BLOCK HAS, UH, HAS HAD A NET LOSS OF PARKING, BUT ESPECIALLY THOSE PEOPLE BY FIRE STATION ONE, IT'S THE WHOLE CORRIDOR, UH, UH, A BLUNDER AFTER BLUNDER.

SO, MITCH, CAN YOU SUMMARIZE YOUR, UM, YOUR STATEMENT WITH A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT? UM, WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A RENDERING OF WHAT OUR INTERSECTIONS ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY, UH, ESPECIALLY FROM THE PUBLIC, AND, UH, READ AND UNDERSTAND THESE PLANS.

BALLARDS, UH, WOULD LOOK LIKE.

DO, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT OR DO YOU, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ONE OF OUR INTERSECTIONS, UH, WITH A RENDERING SHOWING WHAT THESE

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AND THEN, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE OTHER, OTHER, OTHER COLLEAGUES HAVE QUESTIONS TOO, BUT DO YOU WANNA ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE RENDERING? IF THAT'S POSSIBLE? I WILL, I WILL SEE IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN I REQUEST IT, THAT WE CAN SHOW, UM, OF READILY AVAILABLE TO SHOW NOW.

YEAH, I IDEALLY, UH, IF NOT, THEN UH, WE WOULD NEED TO SEND THAT SEPARATELY.

UH, TO YOU, UH, FAIR POINT.

WHAT WILL IT LOOK LIKE AT THE INTERSECTIONS? YEAH, UNDERSTOOD.

JOSE, ALL THESE INTERVENTIONS, YOU REFER TO THEM.

I LIVE, UH, IN, IN, IN THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

UH, THERE WAS A, A PERIOD WHEN THE BUSES WERE RELOCATED TO COLLINS AVENUE.

UH, THE, UH, PARKING SPACE WAS, WERE MOVED INTO THE MIDDLE, UH, LANE, UH, ALONG WASHINGTON.

AND MOREOVER, OCEAN DRIVE, UH, WAS CLOSED OFF TO PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC VIA A BLOCK PARTY PERMIT, UH, CREATING OCEAN COURT, UH, COMPLETE TRAFFIC GRIDLOCK.

AND IT, UH, REGULARLY THERE WERE SHOOTINGS AND STAMPEDES, UH, YOU GUYS ARE NOT MAKING THE CITY SAFER WITH, WITH THIS WHAT, WITH WHAT YOU DID ON, ON SIXTH STREET? UH, I, I THINK, UH, I'M WONDERING HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HIT.

I KNOW I WAS ALMOST HIT DRIVING IN THE BIKE LANE THE OTHER NIGHT.

UH, AND, AND I DON'T WANNA SEE THIS, UH, THE, THE, THIS CORRIDOR PLAGUED WITH STOP SIGNS EVERYWHERE.

UH, I, I, I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND, AND, AND ADDRESSED.

UH, I WANT TO SAY MY EMAIL THREAD, IT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE RECORD.

THE, UH, UH, WE GOT IT STAFF.

WE RECEIVED IT.

THANK YOU, MITCH.

AND, UH, MY COLLEAGUES DO NOT HAVE FURTHER COMMENTS ON THIS.

SO, UH, FURTHER QUESTIONS, UH, WELL, , THERE'S, THEY ARE QUESTIONS EMBEDDED IN COMMENTS, UM, WHICH OFTEN HAPPENS HERE.

AND, UM, SO NEXT WOULD BE, UH, BOARD DISCLOSURES.

UM, ARE THERE ANY DISCLOSURES OF COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE TEAM? NO.

NOW WE WILL OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IF THERE'S ANYBODY ONLINE OR IN THE ROOM, WE HAVE SEVERAL ONLINE.

WE CAN START WITH THE MEMBERS IN HERE IN CHAMBERS, OF COURSE.

ROGER.

IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD JUST, UH, YEAH, SEPARATE AWAY.

SO WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEN WE'LL INVITE YOU BACK UP TO, UH, FOR THE, UM, COMMENT.

GREAT.

ROGER.

WE'LL LET MDPL, UH, WE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT SUBJECT TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

THE SLOW STREETS ARE ALREADY HALFWAY IMPLEMENTED IN THE REMAINING ELEMENTS.

THE PAINTED CURB EXTENSIONS AND PROTECTIVE BOLLARDS ARE CRITICAL PUBLIC SAFETY FEATURES DESIGNED BY LICENSED ENGINEERS AND APPROVED BY THE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.

THE PROJECT CONTINUES TO SUCCESS OF MANY PUBLIC HEARINGS, COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS AND NEIGHBORHOOD WORK THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD WALKTHROUGHS.

THE CURB EXTENSIONS WILL IMPROVE VISIBILITY AND SHORTEN CROSSING DISTANCES FOR PEDESTRIANS WILL ABOLISH, PREVENT DRIVERS FROM PARKING OR BLOCKING THE BULB BOUTS.

WE BELIEVE THE PROJECT WILL ENHANCE LIVABILITY AND WORKABILITY TO MAKE MIAMI BEACH SPECIAL, ESPECIALLY IN THE FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH HAS AMONG THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF PEOPLE BIKING AND WALKING IN THE CITY.

WE BELIEVE PROTECTING AND ENHANCING THE PEDESTRIAN AND CYCLIST EXPERIENCE IS VERY MUCH WITHIN THE SCOPE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

SHOULD I PRESS A BUTTON OR ANYTHING? UH, NO, YOU'RE ON, YOU'RE ON.

JUST TO SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

I SPECIFICALLY SUPPORT THE CYCLE TRACK CONCEPT.

MY NAME IS JAKE KERN AND I LIVE AT SIX 10 JEFFERSON AVENUE.

I ACTUALLY HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF LIVING IN MITCH'S BUILDING.

UM, I'VE LIVED IN MIAMI-DADE COUNTY ABOUT 18, 19 YEARS, OF WHICH I'VE LIVED ON THE BEACH IN MITCH'S BUILDING IN THREE DIFFERENT APARTMENTS, UM, FOR PROBABLY 12, 13, 14 YEARS.

I'M ACTUALLY THE ASSISTANT ZONING DIRECTOR OF THE CITY OF MIAMI.

UM, AND SO I'VE GOT AN URBAN PLANNING DEGREE AND A MASTER'S IN ARCHITECTURE.

THAT'S HOW I ENDED UP DOWN HERE.

I WENT TO UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI.

I STUDIED NEW URBANISM, SMART GROWTH, AND I ACTUALLY FELL IN LOVE WITH SOUTH FLORIDA, AND THAT'S HOW I ENDED UP MOVING TO MIAMI BEACH ITSELF.

I LIVED IN CORAL GABLES.

I LIVED IN DOWNTOWN AND ULTIMATELY CHOSE TO LIVE IN MIAMI BEACH FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE ABOUT WALKABILITY AND BIKEABILITY.

I'M ALSO SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOT OWN A CAR.

I, WHEN I FIRST MOVED TO THE BEACH, I DID HAVE A CAR.

I HAD A JEEP, AND AFTER A FEW YEARS, I SOLD IT BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW PLACES IN MIAMI, MIAMI DADE COUNTY WHERE YOU CAN LIVE A CARLESS LIFESTYLE.

I LIVED ON THE BEACH BEFORE WE HAD CITY BIKE OR DECO BIKE BEFORE WE HAD UBER AND CAR TO GO.

SO I'M A BIG, HUGE SUPPORTER OF THE SLOW STREETS INITIATIVE THAT YOU GUYS ARE PUSHING FOR.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT INITIATIVE.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN FITS AND STARTS.

I'VE SEEN IT TOO.

YOU KNOW, I SAID BEFORE, ASSISTANT ZONING, DIRECTOR OF CITY MIAMI, WE HAVE FITS AND STARTS OVER THERE TOO.

GOVERNMENT'S NOT AN EASY PROCESS.

I SEE IT AND LIVE IT, BREATHE IT EVERY SINGLE DAY.

BUT I DO SUPPORT THE BIKE LANE AND

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YOU KNOW, I JUST WENT FOR MY 40TH BIRTHDAY TO AMSTERDAM AND PARIS AND WOW, WOW.

WE HAVE ALMOST A SIMILAR POPULATION DENSITY AS AMSTERDAM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THEY HAVE.

SO I SUPPORT INITIATIVES LIKE THIS.

I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

IT'S GONNA BE GREAT FOR TOURISM.

IT'S GREAT FOR SAFETY.

THERE'S SO MANY KIDS WHO BIKE ON JEFFERSON AVENUE 'CAUSE PEOPLE ARE COMING THROUGH FLAMINGO PARK DOWN TO SOUTH POINT ELEMENTARY.

I SAW ON MY BIKE.

I ACTUALLY BIKED USING THE CYCLE TRACK TODAY TO COME HERE BEFORE THE MEETING.

AND I SAW A FATHER WITH A YOUNG CHILD ON FRONT, ON ELECTRIC SCOOTER ON THE CYCLE TRACK.

SO YOU NEED TO SHIFT THE CULTURE, AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

I SUPPORT THE, UM, CURB EXTENSIONS.

I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO NECK DOWN THE INTERSECTION.

IT LOWERS THE CURB, RADIATE SLOWS THE TRAFFIC.

HOWEVER, I'M NOT SURE IF I WOULD NECESSARILY SUPPORT THE BALLARDS.

AGAIN, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN AMSTERDAM, RIGHT? THEY HAVE CYCLE TRACKS ALL OVER AMSTERDAM.

THEY GOT CANALS, IT GOES UP, IT GOES DOWN.

THEY GOT COBBLESTONE STREETS.

THEY DO IT WITH A LOT LESS BALLARDS.

I DO THINK WE NEED THE, THE INTERSECTIONS NECK DOWN.

I KNOW THAT'S LATER PHASE.

THAT'LL PROBABLY BECOME A RAISED CURB.

AND SO IN THE INTERIM, THEY'RE TRYING TO PAINT IT AND PUT SOME BALLARDS.

I GET THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT SELECTION, BUT I, TO CONCLUDE, I SUPPORT THE EFFORTS OF THE SLOW STREET MOVEMENT.

I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT.

MAYBE WE NEED TO CONSIDER SOME OF THE DETAILS.

ALTERNATIVELY, UM, MAYBE THERE SHOULDN'T BE SOME ON STREET PARKING IN FRONT OF THE FIRE STATION SO IT CAN MAKE THE TURNS.

BUT I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT FOR THE CITY AND WE SHOULD CONTINUE EFFORTS LIKE THIS GOING FORWARD.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

ANYBODY ELSE? YES, GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

UH, HP, HP BOARD MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS MATTHEW ALTOFF AND I LIVE AT 1 2 5 JEFFERSON AVENUE THIS MORNING.

I'M SPEAKING AS A PRIVATE RESIDENT.

I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE REMAINING PORTIONS OF THE SLOW STREETS SLOW STREETS PROJECT, SO THAT IT CAN REACH ITS FULL POTENTIAL AND BE A SAFE PASSAGEWAY FOR EVERYONE.

THE PROJECT STARTED A FEW YEARS AGO, COMMUNITY-DRIVEN AND CHAMPIONED BY THE LAKE COMMISSIONER MARK SAMUEL.

THE OBJECTIVE IS TO SLOW TRAFFIC AND PROVIDES SAFE PLACES FOR PEOPLE BIKING AND ROLLING TO GET TO FROM AND THROUGH, FROM INGLE PARK THROUGH NUMEROUS PUBLIC MEETINGS, COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS, AND NEIGHBORHOOD WALKTHROUGHS.

THE PROJECT INVOLVED INTO THE PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF YOU.

IT WAS DESIGNED AND ENGINEERED BY LICENSE PROFESSIONALS, AND IT WAS APPROVED AND PERMITTED BY THE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS A SHOWCASE OF NEW AND INNOVATIVE STRATEGIES AND TREATMENTS FOR MIAMI BEACH, BUT TRIED AND TRUE BEST PRACTICES AROUND THE COUNTRY.

FOR EXAMPLE, HOBOKEN, NEW JERSEY, JUST ACROSS THE RIVER FROM MANHATTAN, IS A DENSE URBAN CITY OF NEARLY 60,000 PEOPLE THAT UTILIZE SIMILAR TREATMENTS AT INTERSECTIONS, INCLUDING BOLLARDS.

AND THEY'VE NOT HAD A TRAFFIC RELATED FATALITY THAT INCLUDES PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLISTS, AND DRIVERS FOR NEARLY NINE YEARS.

THE LAST ONE WAS JANUARY, 2017.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO DISCLOSE THAT MITCH NOVI OR MR. NOVIK HAS MENTIONED TO ME HIS CONCERNS AND HIS OBJECTIVES, AND HE HAS PROMISED TO APPROACH THIS HEARING WITH AN OPEN MIND AND TO REVIEW IT OBJECTIVELY.

NOW, THAT WAS PREPARED.

I THINK WE CAN ALL, UH, AGREE THAT PERHAPS HE'S, HE'S ALREADY MADE UP HIS MIND.

BUT THAT ALL BEING SAID, I ASK YOU TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BECAUSE IT MEETS THE CRITERIA THAT YOU ALL ARE REVIEWING AND IT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE CITY'S PROFESSIONAL AND PLANNING SET.

COULD I HAVE ONE MORE MINUTE PLEASE, MR. CHAIR? UM, CAN YOU PLEASE WRAP IT UP QUICKLY? YEAH.

BECAUSE I THINK YOU, WE'VE GOT YOUR POINT.

IN A CITY WHERE PEOPLE ROUTINELY RIDE BIKES, UM, UH, ROUTINELY RIDE BIKES AS PART OF THE REGULAR ROUTINE, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT STEADY PROGRESS WE MADE IN IMPLEMENTING, UH, THE BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN MASTER PLAN AND A NETWORK IS SAFE, COMFORTABLE, AND LOW STRESS NETWORKS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

AND I HOPE THAT YOU APPROVE THIS TODAY.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

WE'LL MOVE, WE'LL MOVE NOW TO THE ONLINE.

UM, YES.

A UM, COMMENT.

UH, FIRST IS JOHANN MOORE.

JOHANN, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, I DO.

MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

YOU HAVE A FEW MINUTES.

GOOD.

UH, MORNING BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF, UH, JOHANN MOORE, 7 1 7 JEFFERSON AVENUE.

UH, I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF LIVING ACROSS THE STREET, UH, FROM THESE BIKE LANES.

UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT I FEEL HAVEN'T BEEN, UH, REALLY FULLY ADDRESSED HERE TODAY.

THE ONE IS A PRACTICAL CONCERN.

UH, ACCORDING TO, UH, CITY STAFF COMMUNICATION OF YESTERDAY, THESE BIKE LANES ARE NOT YET OFFICIALLY OPEN.

UM, UH, THE BALLARDS HAVE BEEN REMOVED, THOUGH, EXCUSE ME, THE, THE ORANGE BARRELS HAVE BEEN REMOVED, THOUGH I GATHER BY WELL-INTENTIONED, BUT MISGUIDED

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UM, BECAUSE IN THE ABSENCE OF CERTAIN FINALIZED DETAILS, IT IS UNSAFE AND WERE SOMEONE TO BE INJURED OR HEAVEN FORBID KILLED.

UH, THERE MIGHT BE LIABILITY, ALTHOUGH THE CITY HAS NOT YET DECLARED THE BIKE LANES OFFICIALLY OPEN ACCORDING TO YESTERDAY'S COMMUNICATION, UH, PEOPLE ARE USING THEM.

AND A LAWSUIT COULD BE BASED, UH, IN AN ALLEGATION OF NEGLIGENCE ON THE PART OF THE CITY FOR NOT MAINTAINING THOSE CLOSURES.

UM, I'M NOT SUGGESTING IT'S A GOOD USE OF POLICE OFFICER'S TIME TO SIT AT EACH OF THE INTERSECTIONS, BUT YOU GET MY POINT.

I WOULD IMPLORE YOU TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY SO THAT THESE CURRENTLY OPEN, IF NOT OFFICIALLY AND UNSAFE CONDITIONS.

AND I WOULD POINT SPECIFICALLY TO A GAP ACROSS FROM THE FIRE STATION WIDE ENOUGH FOR A VEHICLE TO BACK UP INTO THE, LET IMAGINE, UH, TWO ADULTS AND THREE LITTLE CHILDREN ON TINY BIKES.

AND ONE OF THEM GETS CREAMED BY THE VEHICLE, UH, MAKING A U-TURN FROM THAT SOUTH FACING POSITION IN AN ATTEMPT TO GET TO 11TH STREET.

UM, I WOULD ALSO, UH, IN PRINCIPLE AGREE WITH MITCH'S OBJECTIONS, BUT THIS IS REALLY A FINANCIAL QUESTION AS, UH, JOSE GONZALEZ POINTED OUT TO US, IF WE HAD TWICE AS MUCH MONEY, WELL WE COULD, UH, ADDRESS THE OTHER CONCERN THAT ONE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY HAS RAISED AND IN FACT PUT A BIKE LANE ON EACH SIDE.

BUT WE DON'T, WE ALSO DON'T HAVE THE MONEY IN ORDER TO PUT CEMENT CURB PROTECTORS AT THE INTERSECTIONS.

SO WE THANK WITH GOING FORWARD WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

YOU'RE GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE.

APPRECIATE IT.

HER NEXT CALLER IS JANE ROPP.

JANE, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, I DO.

YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.

JANE KRUPP 1390 OCEAN DRIVE.

UM, I'M A REGULAR BIKER.

I DON'T HAVE A CAR.

ONE OF THE REASONS I'M HERE SURVIVING IN MIAMI BEACH FOR 20 YEARS IS MY BICYCLE.

AND I REGULARLY GO THROUGH FLAMINGO PARK, UH, VIA 13TH STREET.

I ENTER THE PARK AND THEN I EXIT AT 11TH STREET, BASICALLY TO GO TO WHOLE FOODS AND DO ERRANDS ON ALTON ROAD.

SO I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SAFETY ISSUES.

AND, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS KIND OF TO ME IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS HOW UNSAFE 11TH STREET IS, WHERE THEY HAVE OPTIONAL STOP SIGNS THAT CARS BLOW THROUGH.

THEY TRAVEL VERY FAST IN THE EAST WEST DIRECTION.

THAT'S NOT BEING ADDRESSED AT ALL.

THE OTHER THING IS, SINCE THIS IS A HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AESTHETICS, UM, I JUST THINK THIS PLAN IS COMPLETE OVERKILL.

AS I AGREE WITH MITCH.

IT BELONGS ON A HIGHWAY.

WE DON'T NEED BOLLARDS.

WE NEED SOMETHING SUBTLE AND AESTHETIC.

AND, UM, TWO, TWO SUGGESTIONS.

I HAVE ONE LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT.

WHY CAN'T SIMPLE SOLUTION AND PUT SPEED BUMPS? THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT ARE UNOBTRUSIVE, THAT ARE LOW KEY AND DO NOT INTERFERE WITH THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS IS COMPLETE OVERKILL, UNNECESSARY, AND THE BUDGET IS RIDICULOUS.

COME UP WITH A BETTER DESIGN, IS MY OPINION.

THANK YOU JANE.

NEXT CALLER IS DANIEL.

DANIEL, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.

DANIEL ERALDO, UH, GOOD MORNING BOARD MEMBERS.

I'M CALLING TODAY AS A RESIDENT OF FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD AND MY ADDRESS, SEVEN 30 10TH STREET.

I WAS ALSO THERE WITH MARK SAMUEL WHEN THIS ALL GOT STARTED.

BUT BEFORE THAT, IN HIGH SCHOOL, IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, ONE OF MY BEST FRIEND'S CAR WAS TOTALED ON EUCLID AVENUE.

SHORTLY AFTER, UM, THEY ADDED MANY MORE STOP SIGNS IN FLAMINGO PARK, WHICH WAS VERY IMPORTANT.

AND I WAS SORT OF SHOCKED TO HEAR A MEMBER OF THE BOARD SAY THERE SHOULDN'T BE MORE STOP SIGNS.

UH, THIS IS ALL ABOUT SAFETY, WHETHER YOU USE A BIKE, WHETHER YOU USE CAR, UH, BUT WE'RE IN A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD.

PARKING IS A NICE TO HAVE, BUT MORE AND MORE OF THE PEOPLE MOVING INTO MY BUILDING, MY NEIGHBORHOOD DON'T HAVE A CAR.

AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT THING.

UM, ALSO I WANNA MENTION THAT THE VIDEO SHOWN WAS ACTUALLY MY INTERSECTION, 10TH AND MERIDIAN, UH, THE, UH, DELINEATORS THAT SHE DIDN'T LIKE.

AND SHORTLY AFTER THEY WERE REMOVED, ONE OF MY RELATIVE'S CARS WAS TOTALED WHEN ANOTHER CAR SPED THROUGH.

UH, SO IN CONCLUSION, PLEASE RELY ON THE COMPETENT STAFF AND MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.

NEXT CALLER IS, UM, ALLISON KOTTER.

SORRY, I THOUGHT IT WAS OPEN ALREADY.

ALLISON, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, I DO.

HI, I AM ALLISON KOTTER, 901 SIXTH AVENUE.

BEEN, UH, LIVING IN MY BEACH OVER 30 YEARS.

I'VE MADE IT MY PRIORITY TO USE THIS BIKE LANE.

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UM, I USE IT EVERY SINGLE DAY.

AND TWO THINGS HAVE OCCURRED.

ONE, THE, UH, PEOPLE WHO WERE PUTTING THE GROCERIES OUT FROM SHOPPING PUT IT RIGHT IN THE BIKE LANE.

SO THAT'S BECOME A HUGE PROBLEM, AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THEY CAN DO.

IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT.

UM, THE OTHERS, I'VE ALSO DRIVEN DOWN THE STREET EVERY SINGLE DAY TESTING THIS OUT.

AND I FOUND THAT WHEN YOU HAVE, UM, LIKE THE AMAZON TRUCK STOPS, I WAS GOING SOUTH.

THE AMAZON TRUCK WAS PARKED, GOING SOUTH, WE ALL HAD TO HAVE ONE LANE AND IT'S, IT TOOK A WIDE STREET AND IT MADE IT SMALL, AND THEN THE TRAFFIC BACKED UP BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ROOM FOR EVERYBODY TO GET BY.

UM, IN MY OPINION, IT NEEDS TO BE A BETTER PLAN BECAUSE WHEN YOU TAKE A STREET AND YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO GO DOWN TO ONE LANE, AND THIS, I KEPT WRITING IT AND THIS KEPT HAPPENING ALL DAY LONG AND FOR THE LAST TWO WEEKS THAT I THINK IT'S THE WRONG PLAN.

SO I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

OUR NEXT CALLER IS, UM, EVE KAHN.

EVE.

DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.

UH, EVE KAHN RESIDENCE OF 10 50 JEFFERSON AVENUE, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE.

UM, I HAVE TO CONCUR WITH THE STATEMENTS MADE BY MITCH AND SUPPORTED BY JANE THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SHARED THIS MORNING.

THESE LANES ON JEFFERSON AVENUE ARE, HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY MUDDLED.

UH, THE FACT THAT THEY'VE TAKEN UP, YOU KNOW, VALUABLE PARKING IN THE FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND HAVE COMPLETELY DISREGARDED WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO PARK, UH, INCLUDING ACROSS FROM THE FIRE STATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, MANY PEOPLE IN MY BUILDING WHO DO HAVE CARS AND WE DON'T HAVE PARKING ASSOCIATED HAD PARKED FOR, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING.

UM, I THINK THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ACCESS TO THE FIRE STATION BY THE AMBULANCES AND THE FIRE TRUCKS WAS NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHILE PLANNING THIS PROJECT.

AND THAT IS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR IN THE SHORT TURNING RADIUS FOR ALL OF THOSE IMPORTANT VEHICLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, LET ALONE THE ACCESS FOR RESIDENTS, FOR DRIVERS, FOR DELIVERY DRIVERS, UH, ET CETERA, IN ESPECIALLY IN THAT, UH, SECTION THAT IS RIGHT ADJACENT TO 11TH STREET AND TO THE PARK ITSELF.

UM, I THINK FURTHER THE FACT THAT THE BIKE LANES WERE COMPLETED, WHAT OVER A MONTH AGO, BUT ARE NOT OFFICIALLY OPEN YET, IS JUST LUDICROUS.

IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE USED, THEY SHOULD BE USED IMMEDIATELY.

THE ORANGE BARRELS THAT ARE DOTTING THE CENTER OF THE, THE BIKE LANES, UH, NEED TO BE REMOVED.

I'VE SEEN COUNTLESS PEOPLE WHILE WALKING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, PEOPLE ON BIKES, WHETHER THEY'RE MOTORIZED OR, UH, YOU KNOW, HUMAN DRIVEN, UH, ARE NOT EVEN USING THE BIKE LANES AND JUST GOING DOWN THE ALREADY LIKE EXTREMELY NARROW STREET THAT HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED, I THINK THIS PROJECT WAS, UH, NOT PLANNED WELL.

AND I THINK IT HASN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED WELL AS EITHER.

AND I THINK ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MODIFY THE PROJECT TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ON EUCLID AND MERIDIAN WOULD BE THE BEST, UH, OUTCOME FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU FOR TIME YOU.

YEP.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT.

UM, SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANY OF, ISN'T THAT CORRECT IF I MAY? YES, GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

UM, COUPLE POINTS I WANNA MAKE.

FIRST, THE OPENING OF THE BIKE LANE.

UM, YES, IT'S CURRENTLY NOT OFFICIALLY OPEN BECAUSE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS REQUIRE THAT THE BIKE LANES BE PROTECTED AT THE END POINTS SO THAT VEHICLES CAN'T EASILY JUST DRIVE ON THEM.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN WITH THE K 71 BOLLARDS, WHICH ARE BEING PROPOSED TO FULFILL THAT FUNCTION UNTIL THERE IS, UM, SOME, SOME SORT OF PROTECTION FOR THE BIKE LANES AT EACH END.

WE CANNOT OFFICIALLY OPEN THE BIKE LANE.

SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO CLARIFY.

UM, SECONDLY, WITH THE FIRE STATION, THE ISSUE HAS BEEN RESOLVED, ADDRESSED, UM, SO THAT THE, THE LARGEST VEHICLE THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS, WHICH IS THE LADDER TRUCK, CAN NOW MAKE A SMOOTH TURN OUT OF THE FIRE STATION AND, UH, AND INTO THE, THE TRAVEL LANE.

SO THAT, THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.

AND I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE RECORD.

HO JOSE, BUT WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.

I'M SORRY.

FINISH THIS.

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YES, GO AHEAD PLEASE.

SO THEN THE, THE ISSUE OF THE K 71 BOLLARDS, UM, AGAIN, JUST WANNA ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION FOR CONTEXT.

THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS DON'T DICTATE THAT IT HAS TO BE THAT DEVICE THAT IS THE DEVICE THAT WAS SELECTED AS PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS VETTED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND IS BEING PROPOSED.

BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THAT DEVICE.

THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE DEVICES THAT COULD, UH, FULFILL THE SAME FUNCTION AND ALSO BE ACCEPTABLE.

UM, THE ADVANTAGE OF A K 71 BALLARD IS THE HEIGHT.

IT'S MORE EASILY VISIBLE BY DRIVERS.

THERE ARE OTHER DEVICES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY ALSO BE USED IN ITS PLACE, WHICH ARE SHORTER.

UM, YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE ZLA ARMADILLOS THAT ARE USED, UH, ALONG BIKE LANES.

THAT'S A FORM OF PROTECTION, VERY LOW TO THE GROUND.

UH, BUT NEVERTHELESS, A FORM OF PROTECTION THAT COULD POTENTIALLY ALSO BE, UH, APPLIED.

UH, NOW WE'LL CLOSE THE, UM, DID YOU WANT NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE OKAY.

YOU'RE GOOD.

I WAS GONNA ASK, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE BACK AND FORTH.

UH, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO, UM, MAKE ANY COMMENTS? SHOULD I START AT THIS END? ANY, ANY, ANY COMMENTS? YOU'LL WAIT.

ELIZABETH, ANY COMMENTS? NO, I CAN, I ASK YEAH, YEAH, FOR SURE.

YEAH, NO.

SO, UM, JOSE, YES.

I WAS JUST WONDERING IF, UM, FOLLOWING UP ON THE, WHAT THE LAST, UH, PERSON SPOKE ABOUT THE BIKE RANGES ON MERIDIAN AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE OTHER SITUATION.

DID YOU HAVE LIKE, THE CHANCE TO EXAMINE THE ONES THAT EXIST AND CHECK, LIKE LESSONS LEARNED AND WHAT IN WORK BEFORE DESIGNING THIS? SO WHAT, UM, WHAT PROBLEMS DID YOU SEE WITH THE ONE IN MERIDIAN THAT, UH, THE SPEAKER HAD MENTIONED TOO, THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO AVOID REPEATING THE SAME MISTAKES, IMPLEMENTING A DIFFERENT DESIGN? SURE.

GOOD QUESTION.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE BIKE BICYCLE LANES ON MERIDIAN.

THERE ARE JUST DIFFERENT TYPES OF BICYCLE LANE APPLICATIONS.

THE CYCLE TRACK, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, HAS ADVANTAGES THAT ARE A GOOD FIT FOR JEFFERSON AVENUE.

UH, A BIG PART OF SELECTING THE RIGHT BIKE LANE FOR A ROADWAY IS THE SPACE THAT'S AVAILABLE AND, AND, AND HOW MUCH PARKING WILL BE LOST AS A RESULT.

THERE'S ACTUALLY LESS PARKING LOST THROUGH A CYCLE TRACK THAN THROUGH TWO-WAY CONVENTIONAL BIKE LANES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.

THEN YOU'RE LOSING PARKING ON BOTH SIDES.

SO THAT WAS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY, UH, PARKING, UH, DEMAND IS HIGH IN THE FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD.

SOMETHING THAT I'M INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH.

I WAS INTERIM PARKING DIRECTOR FOR OVER A YEAR AS WELL AS TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR.

SO VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT AND, UH, HEARD IT LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY.

WE TRY TO BE AS SENSITIVE AS POSSIBLE TO PARKING LOT.

THERE'S SOME PARKING LOSS, WHICH IS REQUIRED BECAUSE OF SIGHT LINES FROM DRIVEWAYS AND FROM INTERSECTIONS.

THERE'S GOTTA BE CLEAR AREAS AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, UH, AND THAT HAPPENS WITH ANY PROJECT, NOT JUST THE BIKE LANE, IT COULD BE A RE YOU KNOW, UH, A, A NEW ROADWAY PROJECT.

WE'VE SEEN IT WITH OTHER PROJECTS IN THE CITY, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS WHERE PARKING IS LOST AS A RESULT OF A NEW PROJECT COMING IN BECAUSE THERE ARE NEW STANDARDS, UM, UM, DICTATING SIDELINES THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED OVER THE YEARS.

AND SOME OF THESE ROADS HAVE NOT BEEN IMPROVED IN MANY YEARS.

SO THAT THESE ARE FACTORS THAT WE'RE SENSITIVE TO, UM, WHEN DESIGNING THE, YOU KNOW, THE CYCLE TRACK AND THE SLOW STREETS.

AND JUST SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO CLARIFY, UM, WITH THE K 71 BOLLARDS, I WAS SPEAKING IN TERMS OF THE BIKE LANE, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARY AT THE, UM, ENDS OF THE BIKE LANE.

THERE ARE OTHER TREATMENTS, HOWEVER, FOR THE CURB EXTENSIONS.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS DO REQUIRE, UH, SOMETHING VERTICAL LIKE PROTECTION, UH, PROTECTION, BUT LOW PROTECTION OR HIGH PROTECTION.

SENIOR TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER.

SO SORRY, AGAIN.

SO THE MAIN THING IN REGARDS TO THE CURB EXTENSIONS, WE HAVE TO HAVE PROTECTION FOR PEDESTRIANS TOO.

IT'S NOT JUST ONLY FOR BICYCLES.

SO CAN, CAN YOU PUT THE IMAGE UP AND SHOW US WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? LIKE JUST YOU HAVE A PLAN IN YOUR PRESENTATION, JUST USE THE CURSOR TO, UH, TO JUST UH, SHOW US EXACTLY THE MOMENT THAT YOU SAY YOU NEED THESE VERTICAL BALLARDS.

YOU GO TO YOUR PLAN? UH, THEY DID NOT SHOW IT IN.

I'M GONNA SHOW YOU, YOU HAD A PLAN WITH THE INTERSECTION, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CERTAIN PART OF THE INTERSECTION.

CAN

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I'M NOT SURE HE HAS EVERYTHING IN THE, BUT IN THE, IN JOSE'S PRESENTATION, I'M SURE, I KNOW THERE WAS A PLAN.

UM, WE WERE LOOKING AT IT WITH THE YES.

IT'S JUST DIFFICULT TO SEE TO YEAH.

BUT EVEN, EVEN SO I'VE SHARED IT RIGHT NOW.

LIKE THIS.

SO WHERE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THESE? OKAY.

SO YEAH, PERFECT.

I CAN SEE YOUR CURSOR.

LEMME MOVE TO THE OTHER ONE.

I COULD SEE YOUR CURSOR FOR A SECOND.

SO RIGHT AT WHERE THE CROSSWALK IS, UH, I CAN'T SEE THE CURSOR.

IT WAS THERE A SECOND AGO.

MAYBE YOU CAN JUST TAKE IT OUT.

SO AT THE CROSSWALK, IF, IF I MAY YES, MAYBE YOU CAN ZOOM IN ON THAT SLIDE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER.

SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT YOU'RE POINTING AT.

LEMME SEE.

YEAH, YOU CAN JUST PULL THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.

THERE WE GO.

PERFECT.

AND THEN SCROLL SO YOU CAN SHOW US EXACTLY.

SO AT THE CURB EXTENSION, THIS PAINT PINK COLORED ONES MM-HMM .

THEY HAVE TO BE ALSO PROTECTED FOR PEDESTRIANS WHENEVER THEY'RE CROSSING.

SO THE MAIN THING IN REGARDS TO THIS IS THAT WHENEVER YOU'RE CROSSING, YOU ARE SHORTENING THE DISTANCE OF A PERSON IN THE STREET.

SO WE WANT TO PROTECT THEM FROM BEING HIT AND THEY ARE MORE VISIBLE.

THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE THIS A LITTLE BIT OF SPACING BETWEEN THE PARKING SPOT AND THE CROSSWALK.

THIS IS A FEDERAL REGULATION ALSO THAT WE HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 30 FEET ON THE APPROACH, 20 FEET ON THE DEPARTURE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO BLOCK THEM OFF.

SO THAT WAY A CAR DOES NOT PARK IN THE CROSSWALK.

A CAR DOES NOT GET IN TRYING TO, UH, IT'S AT THE STOP SIGN AND TRYING TO MOVE ON THE RIGHT HAND AND TRYING TO MAKE A RIGHT IN, IN THE CROSSWALK OF A PEDESTRIAN WITH THE KEY 71 BALLARDS.

I'VE ACTUALLY, I CAN SAY THAT I'VE ACTUALLY USED THEM AT CITY OF LOS ANGELES.

ON MAIN STREET, UM, SPRING STREET, FIGUEROA STREET, I'VE INSTALLED THEM.

THEY HAVE BEEN USED SINCE 20 17, 20 18 MM-HMM .

UM, THEY HAVE BEEN VERY USEFUL AND, UH, THEY VERY DOABLE ON, ON ON THAT PLAN.

WHERE WOULD THE BOLLARD SPEAK? CAN YOU JUST PUT YOUR AIR? I DON'T SEE THEM ON THE PLAN IS YES.

SO THEY ARE AT THE EDGES.

THEY'RE THERE.

BUT THEY ARE NOT SHOWN ON THIS ONE SHEET, JOHN.

THEY'RE SHOWN ON, UM, V OH ONE, WHICH IS SHEET 1734.

I KNOW.

BUT FOR A PUBLIC, UH, I PRESENTATION, DON'T THINK THEY HAVE THAT UP THE PROBLEM.

IT'S OKAY.

THIS SHOWS WHERE THEY WOULD BE, SO YEAH, THE BALLERS WOULD NEED TO BE ALONG THAT, THE EDGE OF THAT.

IT WILL BE AT THIS EDGE.

THE PINK, THE DUSTY ROW, SORRY.

THEY WILL BE AT THE EDGES AND SPACED EIGHT FEET APART.

EIGHT FEET APART, OR 12 INCHES OFF CENTER.

WELL, IT'S SHOWING A FOOT APART ON, ON MY PLACE.

THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

THE 12 INCHES ON CENTER IS BETWEEN, THERE ARE TWO LIGHTS.

I THINK WHAT MITCH ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR WAS, UH, LIKE A, A, A RENDERING OF THAT INTERSECTION.

WE MUCH EASIER FOR ALL OF US TO SEE.

'CAUSE NOW WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT THIS AND, AND I THINK HIS ORIGINAL REQUEST, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ALL OF US.

UM, I DON'T HAVE A RENDERING AT THE MOMENT, BUT I OKAY.

NO, WE UNDERSTAND THAT NO RENDERING AT THE MOMENT.

HAS, SORRY, COULD YOU PLEASE CLARIFY THE SPACING OF THE BALLARDS ALONG THE, UH, RADIUS? OKAY.

SO ON SHEET 20 OR VE UH, V DASH ZERO FOUR, IT HAS THE SPACING ON THEM AND THE CIRCLES.

THE RED CIRCLE WHAT SHEET AGAIN PLEASE? HOW FAR APART? V ZERO FOUR.

20 OF 34.

THO THOSE PLANS ARE SHOWING $53 THAT PAGE.

THAT'S CRAZY STEP.

IS ANOTHER WAY THAT THIS COULD BE DONE IS TO ACTUALLY EXTEND THE CURB.

WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.

HOW FAR APART ARE THOSE ? EIGHT FEET APART.

LINDSAY IS NEXT, PLEASE.

SO THIS DISCUSSION HERE CAME UP AND I, I'VE GOT OTHER COMMENTS, BUT THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF THE DISCUSSION CAME UP.

UH, JOSE, YOU CALLED UP, I FOR, I'M SORRY, I FORGOT YOUR NAME, SIR.

KASAN.

UM, SAYING THAT I, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT FEDERAL REGULATIONS REQUIRE X, Y, Z MM-HMM .

SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME CLARITY BECAUSE AT LEAST THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTAND IT, SO BACKGROUND FOR THOSE ON THE BOARD AND ANYBODY.

SO I SAT ON PARKING AND TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE FOR, I DON'T KNOW, 3, 4, 5.

I DON'T, HOWEVER, HOW MANY YEARS WHEN JOSE WAS TRANSPORTATION AND THEN HE WAS INTERIM PARKING AND ANYWAYS, UM, SO I WAS THERE FOR THE ITERATIONS OF SLOW STREET, 1, 2, 3, HOWEVER MANY WE'VE BEEN THROUGH.

UM, MY UNDERSTANDING

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AM I WRONG THROUGH CONCRETE, CORRECT.

OR PAINT? IT COULD, YES.

THAT'S A PERMANENT, SO MY QUESTION THERE IS, THAT'S ONLY THE HEIGHT OF A SIDEWALK OR A CURB.

WOULD THAT ALSO TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF ORDERS? THE CURB RESOLVED THAT, MY QUESTION IS, IS THE DELINEATOR AT THAT HEIGHT REQUIRED? BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT A CURB WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.

SO IF A CURB IS SUFFICIENT, WHY DOES I JUST WANT SOME EXPLANATION THERE, PLEASE.

GOOD QUESTION.

SO NO, WHENEVER YOU HAVE A CURB EXTENSION, THE CONCRETE IS A PERMANENT CONDITION.

IT IS BUILT DIFFERENTLY THAN WHENEVER YOU HAVE SOMETHING I WOULD CALL, I WOULD NOT SAY SPECIFICALLY.

UH, TEMPORARY IS AN INTERMEDIATE SECTION IN BETWEEN THE, UH, LIKE THE BIKE LANE RIGHT NOW AND THE FUTURE PROJECTS THAT MIGHT COME IN ON FLAMINGO PARK OR JEFFERSON AVENUE.

THERE MIGHT BE SOME, UH, FUTURE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REDOING UNDERGROUNDING THAT WILL REQUIRE, UH, THE CURBS AND SIDEWALKS TO BE REBUILT.

AND THAT'S WHENEVER THOSE WILL BE SWITCHED WITH A FULL CURB EXTENSION.

I UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE NOT DOING THE CURB EXTENSION.

NOW, WHAT I'M ASKING IS IF THE CURB EXTENSION AT CURB HEIGHT IS ENOUGH PER DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN TO IT? DON'T, IT SEEMS UNCLEAR AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE HEIGHT IS, IS OR IS NOT REQUIRED.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO LIKE DRILL DOWN ON.

YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE THAT, THAT HEIGHT.

AT THE MOMENT, WE CHOSE THESE ONES BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE VISIBLE.

UH, THE ZLA THAT WE MENTIONED BEFORE, OR THE ARMADILLOS ARE SOMETHING, UH, NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT WAS COMING OUT AND WE CHOSE IT BECAUSE IT'S A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.

HISTORICALLY, WE HAVE USED THESE OVER THE YEARS IN, NOT IN MIAMI BEACH, BUT IN DIFFERENT AREAS.

AND THIS IS WHY WE CHOSE K 70 ONES.

AND I CAN ALSO ASK OUR DESIGNERS, STREET PLANTS AND ALL THE PLANNING, THEY CAN ALSO, UH, TALK MORE ABOUT THESE, WHY WE CHOSE THESE ONES.

BUT, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE CURB EXTENSIONS, YOU DON'T NEED ADDITIONAL HEIGHT MORE THAN SIX INCH.

THAT IS, UH, THAT IS, SO WITH A CURB EXTENSION, YOU DO NOT NEED MORE HEIGHT OTHER THAN SIX INCHES WITHOUT A CURB EXTENSION.

DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT NEED MORE HEIGHT? THAT'S MY QUESTION.

WITH THE, NO, WITH THE PAINTED EXTENSIONS, YOU NEED SOMETHING PHYSICAL TO BLOCK IT.

IT CAN BE, IT HAS TO BE MORE THAN SIX INCHES FOR SURE.

BUT WHENEVER YOU DO HAVE A CURB THAT IS A CONCRETE WHICH PHYSICAL THING THAT YOU CAN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

YOU DON'T NEED ADDITIONAL, UH, PHYSICAL THINGS TO, TO ADD, UH, PHYSICAL HEIGHT TO ADD IT ONTO THAT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T NEED THE WE DON'T NEED THE BOLLARDS.

WE DON'T, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S REALLY WHY I'M ASKING.

AND JOSE, I MEAN, I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW, I'M GENERALLY IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO VERSUS WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND THE REASONS WHY, SO THAT THE BOARD HERE CAN MAKE A DECISION BASED ON ALL THAT INFORMATION.

AND, AND WHEN IT WAS LIKE, HOLD ON, I'M BEING TOLD FDO OR NOT FDOT, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SAYS WE HAVE TO DO THIS.

I SAID, WELL, WAIT A SECOND.

I KNOW A CURB IS ENOUGH.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOME CLARITY THERE.

UM, I'M TONY GARCIA.

I'M ONE OF THE DESIGNERS OF THE PROJECT .

UM, YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE IT BE VERTICAL.

IT'S BETTER FOR VISIBILITY.

THAT'S ALL IT IS.

IT COULD BE VERY WELL ZIKA.

THE WHERE WE DO NEED THE VERTICALITY IS AT THE DRIVEWAYS, AT THE ENTRANCES TO THE BIKE LANE TO ADDRESS WHAT WAS SAID ON THE CALL.

JUST RIGHT SO THAT SOMEONE CAN'T DRIVE STRAIGHT THROUGH IT CAN JUST DRIVE IN.

THAT I UNDERSTAND.

WE NEED THE VERTICALITY AT THE CURB EXTENSIONS.

WE DO NOT NEED THE VERTICALITY, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS GONNA BE PRETTIER THAN THE ZLA FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THE ZLA LOOKS MORE TRAFFICKING.

I THINK WE CAN DISAGREE ON THAT, BUT THOSE ARE THE ARMADILLOS.

THE ARMADILLOS ARE THE ZLA.

THIS IS A SLOW TRAFFIC NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S NOT LIKE THE CORNER OF, OF FIFTH AND WASHINGTON.

AND IT JUST SEEMS TO ME WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE IS VERY MUCH OVERKILL, UM, FOR A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, AND MAYBE SEEING A, A RENDERING WOULD, WOULD MAKE ME FEEL DIFFERENTLY ABOUT IT.

BUT, UM, RIGHT NOW, UH, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT'S TOO MUCH.

IT'S REALLY TOO MUCH.

AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ARE THE ONES THAT DRIVE EVERY DAY.

THERE'S PROBABLY VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE CUTTING THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET SOMEPLACE ELSE.

UH, AND I THINK THAT YOU NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW YOU'VE DESIGNED THAT, UH, LINDSAY.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE NO LONGER HAVE THE GREEN ZONE, THAT'S THEIR QUICKEST WAY TO GET THROUGH.

SO DID YOU WANNA JUST, AND I, I KNOW WE DON'T LOVE CROSSTALK HERE, BUT I, I WANNA COUNTER THAT THIS IS, THIS IS OUR CROSSTALK.

I I WANNA COUNTER THAT BECAUSE LIVING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE BUSY WEEKENDS FOR SURE, PEOPLE CUT THROUGH

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AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UBER DRIVERS ESPECIALLY, UM, SOMEONE MENTIONED ON ONE OF THE CALLS, THE THE FAKE STOP SIGNS, THEY'RE NOT FAKE STOP SIGNS.

THEY'RE PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALKS THAT HAVE LIGHTS FLASHING.

IT SAYS STOP FOR PEDESTRIAN WHEN THEY'RE READY.

I PERSONALLY GET FRUSTRATED WHEN PEOPLE STOP AT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT A STOP SIGN UNLESS SOMEONE'S THERE.

BUT MY POINT IS, IS THAT THERE ARE TONS OF PEOPLE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DRIVING THROUGH IT THAT AREN'T THERE FULL TIME.

AND I MEAN, I, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT TRAFFIC CALMING, UM, IS A PLUS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, GENERALLY I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

I'M TRYING TO DRILL DOWN ON SOME OF THE DETAILS TO UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT WE, WHAT IS BEST PRACTICE, WHAT IS A MUST HAVE AND WHAT IS A NICE TO HAVE AND HOW WE BALANCE THAT WITH OUR PURVIEW, WHICH IS WHETHER OR NOT IT IS IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO THAT, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN BALANCE THAT.

BUT I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, I MEAN, WHEN I'M WALKING AROUND THERE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, YOU'RE TAKING YOUR LIFE IN YOUR OWN HANDS, OFTENTIMES.

I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS A LOT OF BOLLARDS.

HASKELL.

DID YOU? NO, YOU'RE, NO, NO.

UM, MITCH, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? I KNOW YOU'VE, YEAH.

A FEW THINGS.

UH, JOSE, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE ISSUE ON, UH, 10TH, UH, BETWEEN 10TH AND 11TH BY THE FIRE STATION WAS RESOLVED.

UH, ASK THE RESIDENTS, UH, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHO CAN NO LONGER PARK IN THOSE SPOTS, UH, AS THEY HAVE FOR, FOR GENERATIONS.

UH, UH, AGAIN, THE QUANTITY SPECIFIED ON THE PLANS IS 521 OF THESE DOLLARS.

UH, ON AVERAGE THAT'S ABOUT 50 PER INTERSECTION.

UH, UH, 25, UH, UH, OR, OR OR 12 BETWEEN 12 AND 14 AT EACH CORNER.

IT'S EXCESSIVE AND IT'S, UH, INAPPROPRIATE.

I'M SU SURPRISED STAFF, UH, UH, IS GOING ALONG WITH THIS.

UH, THAT TO ME JUST STATES, UH, THAT IT'S A, THAT'S MORE OF A DIRECTIVE.

UH, I THINK WE REALLY SEE THAT.

LIKE, I THINK THAT IDEAL SOLUTION HERE IS OF COURSE TO HAVE THE PERMANENT, UM, EXTENSION OF THE SIDEWALKS AND CURBS.

THAT, THAT I THINK IS THE IDEAL SITUATION TO AVOID THE BALLARD TO THE CORNER LIKE, UM, LINDSAY WAS SAYING.

SO I, WE VIEW THIS AS LIKE A INTERIM SOLUTION FOR, UM, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.

I DO AND BICYCLE SAFETY.

I KNOW FOR MYSELF, I WILL NOT RIDE ON A, ON A, ON A, UM, STREET THAT DOESN'T HAVE A BICYCLE LANE OR, UM, IS A PROTECTED AREA.

THAT'S, THAT'S 'CAUSE THE DRIVERS HERE ARE SO, ARE SO BAD.

I DON'T FEEL SAFE DRIVING UNLESS IT'S LIKE ON A, ON A PROTECTED AREA.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE, YOU KNOW, ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND TO ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO, TO BICYCLE AND ALSO RELYING ON THE EXPERTISE OF OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.

SO THAT'S WHY I RECOMMEND RECOMMENDING IN FAVOR OF THIS.

I DO AGREE THAT MAYBE THERE THE SOLUTION FOR THE ARMADILLOS WOULD WORK, YOU KNOW, AS WELL.

SO I I I'D BE AMENABLE TO THAT.

UH, BUT IF, UH, UH, THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY DEPARTMENT WANTS TO BRING A RENDERING, UH, WE CAN, UH, UH, CERTAINLY I ALSO THINK THAT WE DO HAVE IMAGES OF OTHER INTERSECTIONS FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY.

SO WE DON'T THINK REALLY IF THE BOARD WANTS TO SEE, UM, AN IMAGE, WE FELT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN SEE THE PLANS WITH THE NUMBERS.

WE CAN LOOK AT IMAGES FROM OTHER CITIES TO GET AN IDEA.

SO I THINK, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF HAVING AN IMAGE IS GOING TO CHANGE YOUR MIND FOR THE INTERSECTION.

SO I THINK PROBABLY RATHER, RATHER HAVE A SOLUTION FOR THE BOLLARD VERSUS HAVING TO COME BACK ANOTHER MONTH WITH ANOTHER IMAGE.

I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO, YOU KNOW, MICHAEL, UH, THIS ENTIRE, UH, PACKAGE OR, UH, AT LEASE ITEM, UH, UH, FOR, FOR THIS ITEM WAS VERY SLOPPY.

NOTHING WAS STAPLED PAGES LOOSE.

UH, HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE, UH, LABELS.

DO YOU HAVE A, UH, AN AFFIDAVIT, AFFIDAVIT, UH, CERTIFYING THAT, UH, THE, THE, THE LABELS, UH, ARE, UH, WERE, UH, MAILED TO EVERYBODY WITHIN, UH, THAT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE THE AREA THAT THE LA LABELS, I'M SORRY.

NO, WE DON'T, THAT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE IN OUR PACKET.

YEAH, IT IS REQUIRED.

IS IT IS A REQUIREMENT.

WE'VE, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE LABELS? THERE'S NO ADDRESSES ON THERE.

UH, AND AND WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S, IT'S NOT REQUIRED? NO, OUR FIRST ITEM, THERE'S, THERE'S AN AFFIDAVIT.

RDR MIAMI.

BY DIANA DORIO CERTIFI.

WE WE'RE NOT, WE, WE ARE NOT SENDING THE BOARD MEMBERS THE MAILING LABELS OR THE AFFIDAVIT.

THAT'S PART OF THE APPLICATION PACKAGE.

WE'RE NOT GONNA GO AHEAD AND ASK APPLICANTS TO PRODUCE THE MAILING LABELS AND THAT FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS.

BUT IT'S PART OF, PART THE POINT IS THE CITY SHOULD BE HELD UP TO AT LEAST THE SAME STANDARD.

OH YEAH.

WE, ANYONE WHO APPEARS BEFORE YES.

THE LABELED THAT THE, OR EVEN A HIGHER STENT MAIL NOTICES WERE PREPARED, THEY WERE SENT OUT.

YOU WANNA JUMP IN? JUST QUICK QUESTION PLEASE, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

HASKELL,

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I SEE A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE TAKEN PLACE SINCE OCTOBER WHERE IT WAS ASKED FOR A 3D RED RING BY I THINK MY COLLEAGUE FOR TWO MONTHS.

WHY HAVE WE, WHY HAS THE BOARD NOT, UH, RECEIVED A 3D RENDERING OF THIS INTERSECTION IN TWO MONTHS? SO WE ARE IN THE FINAL DESIGN PROCESS AS PART OF FINAL DESIGN.

THE PRODUCT ARE THE SIGN AND SEAL SET OF DRAWINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS.

UM, THERE WERE SOME PHOTOS, I'M SURE AND IMAGES SHOWED INITIALLY, PROBABLY SEVERAL YEARS AGO, A COUPLE YEARS AGO AT FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.

BUT WE DON'T, DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE NOW.

BUT MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY MAKE A SUGGESTION, ACTUALLY, IN LIEU OF, UH, A RENDERING, UH, IT MAY ACTUALLY BE BETTER TO DO AN INFIELD DEMONSTRATION AT ONE OF THESE INTER TWO OF THESE INTERSECTIONS WHERE WE DO ONE, UH, QUADRANT WITH, UH, THE K 71 BALLARD AND WE DO ANOTHER ONE WITH AN ARMADILLO AS AN ALTERNATIVE DEVICE.

AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW DO SOME OUTREACH AND THEN SELECT THE PREFERRED DEVICE.

UM, OKAY.

I I THINK THAT'S A, I APOLOGIZE, GO AHEAD.

I, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR EXPLANATION.

UH, IN TERMS OF THE SIGNED AND SEALED PLANS, SHOULD NOT HAVE THE, UM, RENDERING BEEN PRESENTED PRIOR TO SIGNING AND SEALING THESE DOCUMENTS? NOT NECESSARILY.

IT'S, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT.

NO.

I KNOW IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT IT'S BEING ASKED FOR OVER TWO MONTHS, CORRECT? CORRECT.

BUT IT WAS, IT WAS, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE READILY AVAILABLE AT THIS MOMENT.

UM, SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IN LIEU OF A RENDERING IS AN IN THE FIELD, UH, TEST OR DEMONSTRATION.

THERE'S NOTHING LIKE SEEING IT, TOUCHING IT, EXPERIENCING IT, UH, BETTER THAN ON A PIECE OF PAPER.

I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I AM NOT REALLY COMPLETELY SATISFIED WHEN SOMEONE ASKS, WHEN A CONCERNED CITIZEN, A MEMBER OF THE BOARD IS ASKING FOR A PIECE OF INFORMATION FOR OVER TWO MONTHS, I THINK THAT'S A READILY AVAILABLE WITH, YOU KNOW, TODAY'S SOFTWARE.

YOU CAN DEVELOP SOMETHING RATHER QUICKLY.

WITHIN TWO MONTHS THAT YOU COULD PRESENT IT FOR A VISUAL, BUT BE THAT AS IT MAY AT THIS POINT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

EVERYBODY COMPLAINS ABOUT THEM.

I'M GOING TO, UH, JUST WEIGH IN A LITTLE BIT HERE.

I WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT I HEARD FROM THE OPEN, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC FORUM WAS REALLY, UH, A LOT OF ENCOURAGEMENT FOR THIS TO HAPPEN AND THAT IT REALLY HAS TO HAPPEN.

THE SOONER SOMETHING SAFE HAPPENS, UH, THE BETTER.

UM, WHICH IS WHY I APPRECIATE THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROFFER OF, YOU KNOW, SETTING TWO UP.

BUT I KNOW LIKE BUYING THE BALLER, IT'S GETTING THEM IN, GETTING THEM INSTALLED, GETTING, SETTING UP A DATE AFTER WHICH THEY'RE INSTALLED FOR EVERYBODY TO LOOK AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

IT'S GONNA PUSH US BACK A LONG TIME.

AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT THE, UM, BOLLARDS IN LA I JUST DID A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU READ.

LIKE, WHAT ARE THESE THINGS IN OUR STREETS? SO I WOULD SAY, UH, GIVEN HOW, GIVEN THE LA JUST GOOGLE IT, LA BOLLARDS, IT'S LIKE THEY'RE THE FIRST THINGS LIKE TIKTOK, WHAT IS THIS? UM, WITH A PICTURE CLOSEUP OF IT.

UM, SO I WOULD JUST SAY IF WE, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE TRY THIS IF IT IS INTERIM THAT WE TRY IT WITH, UM, WITH, UM, THE ARMADILLOS, UH, SOMETHING WE KNOW, UM, IT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH.

WHEN IT'S NOT ENOUGH, WE CHANGE IT TO BOLLARDS WHEN WE NEED MORE PROTECTION, UM, JUST TO KEEP THIS MOVING FORWARD.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND TONY THINKS THEY'RE TOO IN TOO TRAFFICY OR INDUSTRIAL.

WHAT'D YOU SAY? UH, I DON'T KNOW.

I DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN.

I ALMOST DID.

BUT, UM, ANYWAY, UM, I JUST THINK WE SHOULD, THIS IS SUCH A GOOD AND IMPORTANT EFFORT AND I APPRECIATE THE STAFF, THE CITY DOING THIS.

I AM, YOU KNOW, UH, I I'M NOT HAPPY WITH, I I HAVE A WHOLE OTHER SET OF QUESTIONS ABOUT PER POROUS PAVEMENT THAT WAS SATISFIED.

I'M NOT SURE WHY STAFF SATISFIED THAT.

I'M NOT SURE HOW THE, UM, THAT SHOULD NOT BE APPLICABLE.

THE ISLAND EFFECT IS SATISFIED.

I'M SORRY THAT THAT'S REALLY NOT APPLICABLE.

SO YEAH.

BUT IT WAS JUST, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THINGS WEREN'T REALLY CONSISTENT, UM, IN TERMS OF, OF THAT.

SO, UM, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE MOVE TO MOVE TO APPROVE THE PLAN WITHOUT THE BOLLARDS, BUT WITH THE ARMADILLOS THAT WE ALREADY KNOW AND HAVE IN THE CITY.

AND, AND WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT TREES AND LANDSCAPE AND HOW YOU WANNA SEE THE CITY AND YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE VISUAL FABRIC OF THE STREET, UH, ESPECIALLY IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

AND I THINK THE BALLERS WOULD JUST REALLY INTERRUPT THESE BALLERS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, UM, WOULD INTERRUPT THAT.

AND IF WE DO NEED THEM, WE WILL REVISIT THIS, OBVIOUSLY.

BUT I WOULD, I I WOULD ASK MY COLLEAGUES

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FOR THAT.

UM, AND I'M, I'M OPEN TO THAT IDEA, BUT I THINK THE APPLICANT HAD ONE COMMENT DIRECT.

THERE WAS SOME, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION.

SO IF WE CAN GET THAT AND THEN YEAH, GO AHEAD.

GO FOR IT.

YEAH, JUST BECAUSE THERE, THERE'S BEEN SOME AMBIGUITY REGARDING THE VERTICALITY ELEMENTS WHEN THEY'RE REQUIRED VERSUS WHEN THEY'RE DESIRED.

SO, UM, THE, THE, NOT NECESSARILY A K 71 BALLER, BUT A VERTICAL DEVICE IS REQUIRED BY FEDERAL REGULATIONS AT EACH END OF THE BIKE LANE AT EACH END OF THE STREET.

WE NEED THE VERTICALITY AT THE DRIVEWAYS AND AT THE BEAN END AND THE END.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO THAT NO ONE CAN ENTER THE BIKE LANE WITH A VEHICLE.

WELL, THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.

WHEN YOU SAY VERTICALITY, ARMADILLO IS VERTICAL, ARMADILLOS ARE NOT GONNA CUT OVER.

NOT ENOUGH.

IT'S NOT CONSIDERED VERTICAL ENOUGH OVER, YEAH.

WELL, PEOPLE DRIVE OVER THESE THINGS TOO.

SO IF, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, IF I MAY, SO AT THE END, AT EACH END OF A BIKE LANE CENTER, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN NORTH SOUTH FLOW, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JEFFERSON, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

THERE WILL BE A VERTICAL ELEMENT LIKE A K 71, IS THAT RIGHT? K 71, YEAH, BOLLARD.

UM, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE COULD USE THE ZIKA'S, THE ARMADILLOS FOR THE CURB BUMP OUT.

I'M, I'M GETTING HEAD SHAKES FROM THE, FROM, FROM THE COMMUNITY IN THE BACKGROUND, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE FROM THE APPLICANT.

AND, AND AT THE DRIVEWAY, SO EVERYWHERE THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A CUT IN THE, IN THE BIKE LANE, RIGHT? YOU WANT ONE? THAT'S FAIR.

I, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN AT EACH END OF IT, ANYTIME, BUT WRAPPING AROUND THE EDGE OF THE CURB EXTENSION, YOU CAN DO.

UH, SO WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR BECAUSE YOU'RE, CAN YOU SEEING DRIVEWAYS AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE DRIVEWAYS ALONG THE BIKE LANE.

SO, RIGHT.

SO ANY, SO ANYWHERE THAT TRAFFIC WOULD, WOULD CROSS THE INJURY, CAN YOU PUT THE PLAN UP? BACK UP PLEASE? JUST PUT THE PLAN BACK UP BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SPEAKING TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SO WE'RE TALKING AT THE CROSSWALK AND THEN WHERE IT SAYS, LET'S SAY THOSE ARROWS RIGHT HERE, SIX SWL, SIX YELLOW, THREE FOOT, NINE FOOT, SKIP.

LET'S SAY THAT WAS A DRIVEWAY.

THERE WOULD BE ONE ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT DRIVEWAY, CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S NOT ANY DRIVEWAYS ON THIS.

I KNOW THERE'S NOT, I'M JUST .

BUT YOU CAN PULL OUT A LITTLE BIT AND YOU CAN FIND THE DRIVEWAY.

SO RIGHT HERE, RIGHT HERE, YEAH.

ON, ON THIS SHEET ACTUALLY, IT'S THE, IT'S A WHOLE LIKE, YEAH, THERE'S , THERE'S NO, ON THIS ONE, THERE'S, THERE'S NO DRIVE LANE.

BUT, BUT IMAGINE THERE'S A BIKE LANE ON THIS SIDE.

THERE WOULD BE ONE RIGHT HERE, UHHUH.

AND IT WOULD BE ONE AND RIGHT HERE ONE.

SO WHAT, SO IT CUTS DOWN ON THE VERTICALITY.

WHAT'S CLUTTER A LOT.

WHAT'S THE SMALLEST BALLER? WHAT'S THE SMALLEST VERTICAL? I, YOU HAVEN'T TOLD ME WHAT THIS FEDERAL STATUTE IS ON THAT VERTICALITY, HOW HIGH DOES IT HAVE TO BE? WELL, IT'S ABOUT VISIBILITY.

I MEAN, OKAY, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE STATUTE SAY? JUST READ IT.

THE STATUTE DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THE, THE HEIGHT NECESSARILY.

IT DOESN'T, IT NEEDS TO BE HEIGHT.

THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE SO SOMETHING HIGH HIGHER THAN A ARMADILLO.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES.

COULD I, IF I MAY PLEASE.

AALIYAH AWA, UM, ENGINEER OF RECORD CONSULTANT FOR THIS PRO PROJECT.

SO THERE IS NO SPECIFICITY, LIKE VERY, THEY'RE NOT BEING VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE HEIGHT, THE BENCHMARK USING A HALF, YOU KNOW, HALF A FOOT WHERE, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO A CURB.

THAT'S A GOOD BENCHMARK.

SO THERE'S NO SPECIFICS TO THE HEIGHT.

HOWEVER, I DO WANNA POINT OUT SPECIFIC TO THE ARMADILLOS.

WE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH ZLA, THE MAKER OF, UM, THESE ARMADILLOS WHO ARE BASED IN SPAIN TO INSTALL THEM OUT IN BOCA RATTON AT A INTERSECTION.

AND THEY WERE VERY TRANSPARENT WITH THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NOT MEANT TO LAST VERY LONG.

AND OF COURSE, WE ALREADY SAID THAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN INTERIM PROJECT.

HOWEVER, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, LIKE TONY SAID, THEY'RE NOT GONNA CUT IT ARM MODELOS MAY NOT BE THE IDEAL TREATMENT, BUT OF COURSE THAT'S ALSO NOT SAYING THAT K 71 IS THE ONLY.

SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FROM A SAFETY AND TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE, IF WE ARE GONNA PUT THOSE EXTENDED CURB EXTENSIONS OUT THERE WHERE PEDESTRIANS MAY BE JUST STAIN IN THE PAIN AND K 70 ONES ARE BEING REJECTED, THEN MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO SEE WHAT OTHER TREATMENTS OUT THERE THAT ARE MORE RESILIENT.

AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MORE REFLECTIVE, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER JUST FOR THE PERSPECTIVE OF SAFETY.

BUT, UM, BUT IT DOESN'T, THIS IS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION.

WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION ANYWAY.

SO WHY WOULD WE LOOK FOR SOMETHING THAT'S MORE RESILIENT? BECAUSE ARMADILLOS, FOR EXAMPLE YEAH.

ARE MEANT TO LAST, LET'S SAY A YEAR OR TWO, BUT OTHER, EVEN IN THIS CONTEXT.

CONCRETE AND BOLTED AND INSTALLED IN THE RIGHT WAY, THEN ABSOLUTELY IT WOULD LAST LONGER.

BUT OTHER INTERIM TREATMENTS ARE MEANT LIKE, ARE MANUFACTURED TO LAST AT LEAST FIVE YEARS, FOR EXAMPLE.

SO I WOULD JUST TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

SO EVEN A CURB, UH, TO GO BACK TO LINDSAY'S QUESTION, EVEN A CURB, A CONCRETE CURB WOULD NOT WORK IN THIS CASE, RIGHT? WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH OF A, A CONCRETE SIX INCH CURB WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH OF A VERTICAL.

IT, IT WOULD, IF IT'S, UH, BASICALLY MADE OF THE RIGHT GRADE OF

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IT WOULD LAST LONGER, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T PROVIDE THE VERTICALITY THAT YOU'RE ARGUING FOR.

I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS TO A DEGREE, RIGHT? SO ONE IS THE DELINEATION OF THE CURB CUT OUT INTO WHAT IS CURRENTLY STREET, RIGHT? UM, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLANS, YOU KNOW, FIVE 10 OF RIGHT NOW PROPOSED BOLLARDS AT EACH ONE OF THOSE, RIGHT? AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE, UH, THE, THE BALLARD PROPOSED AT ANY END OF A BIKE LANE WHERE TRAFFIC CROSSES IT, ESSENTIALLY, WHETHER IT'S STREET, WHETHER IT'S A CROSSWALK, WHETHER THAT IS A DRIVEWAY, ET CETERA.

UM, AND SO I THINK YOUR QUESTION, JOHN, MAYBE WAS DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE BALLARD AT THE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JOHN, THE YES, I'LL ENTRY AND EXIT OF THE BIKE LANE, THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA CALL THEM, ENTRY AND EXIT OF THE BIKE LANE.

UM, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ASKING.

YES, BECAUSE WE SEEM TO BE, I I'M WONDERING WHAT THE SOLUTIONS ARE INSTEAD OF THIS.

I I THINK THESE BOLLARDS ARE TOO BIG AND INTRUSIVE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

I THINK WE HAVE OTHER SOLUTIONS THAT ARE VERTICAL, THAT ARE THINNER, UM, THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO START WITH.

UM, IF IT'S NOT ARM, IF YOU REALLY SAY THAT ARMADILLOS AREN'T, AREN'T SAFE ENOUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO COMPROMISE SAFETY, BUT I WANT TO, I, I THINK WE NEED TO KIND OF HAVE A, SOME KIND OF, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S CONTEXTUAL WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE THE C COMMUNITY MEMBERS LIKE US ARE USED TO SEEING AND THAT WE ARE TESTING OUT FOR.

UM, AND WE HAVE A QUICK IMPLEMENTATION.

SO WE'RE NOT WAITING FOR A LONG TIME.

WE'RE NOT TESTING SOMETHING THAT'S NEW.

SO IF IT'S JUST THOSE VERY THIN, UH, VERTICAL, UM, BALLERS THAT WE SEE EVERYWHERE, THE DELINEATORS, THE DELINEATORS BETWEEN, WITH THOSE WORK IN, IN THOSE SITUATIONS WHEN YOU'RE RIGHT AT THE, AT THE, AT THE INTERSECTION WHERE YOU NEED VERTICALITY, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD, THEY COULD SATISFY, BUT THE AESTHETICS AND THE SPACING WOULD BE WORSE.

SO THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY BEC BUT THEY WOULD WORK, THEY ARE OFTEN PLACED AT ALL KINDS OF CURB EXCEPTIONS.

SO TO, TO MY BOARD MEMBERS HERE, HERE'S, AND I, SORRY, HASKELL.

UM, SO HERE'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS.

WHAT I WOULD BE AMENABLE TO APPROVING TODAY, WHICH IS A SHIFT FROM WHAT THEY'VE PROPOSED IS THE K 71 BOLLARDS AT THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THE BIKE LANE, RIGHT? TO HAVE A, A LARGE PHYSICAL PRESENCE TO KEEP A CAR.

I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S A DOUBLE WIDE BIKE LANE, RIGHT? THAT'S A PARKING MM-HMM .

I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DIMENSION, BUT IT'S, IT'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR A CAR TO DRIVE THROUGH.

SO SOMETHING THAT IS SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH SO THAT, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOING TO STOP A CAR, BUT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT A PLACE FOR CARS TO DRIVE.

AND THEN AS FAR AS THE CURB CUTS, I'M WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, OUR CHAIR JOHN STEWART HERE, SOMETHING LOWER ALONG THE LINES OF E ZLA.

I, I'M OKAY WITH THE ZLA.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE SHORT TERM.

THE IDEA HERE WOULD BE SHORT TERM.

UM, I KNOW THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.

UM, THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHT PROCESS.

AND THE ARMADILLOS ZIKA'S, THAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL, IF YOU WILL, THAT I, I THINK I MIGHT BE WILLING TO SUPPORT.

I'M CURIOUS IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE IN THIS BOARD THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO SUPPORT THAT.

I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE TRANSPORTATION IS AMENABLE TO THAT AND THAT IT WOULD SATISFY REQUIREMENTS.

THAT'S THE BIG CONCERN.

ALA THE ZLA, THE ARMADILLOS IS WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING.

I, I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE CONTINUE IT TO NEXT MONTH.

LET THEM BRING IN A, A, A RENDERING.

LET 'EM BRING IN A BOLLARD SO WE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT A BOLLARD HERE.

THERE'S A BOLLARD RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S A BALLARD RIGHT THERE.

IT'S SITTING RIGHT HERE THIS WHOLE TIME.

I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE, NO ONE CAN .

OH NO, YOU, IT'S NOT MY VIEW ON TOP OF THE THING.

NOW YOU ALSO, WHAT DIFFERENT, HI, YOU MEAN YOU TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT HEIGHTS? PUT IT RIGHT UP ON YOUR, UH, FACE SO YOU CAN SEE.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE K 71 BALLARD THAT THEY AS PROPOSED, WANNA PUT AROUND THE CURB CUTS AND AT THE ENTRANCES TO EVERYTHING, EVERY BIKE LANE.

WHAT I'M SAYING, AND I THINK WHAT COLLECTIVELY WE'RE SAYING IS THAT AROUND THE CURB CUTS IS A LOT OF VERTICALITY AND VISUAL CLUTTER.

HOW'S THAT? AND SO, THANK YOU .

AND SO HAVING THOSE JUST AT THE BIKE LANES FRONT AND BACK, OR YOU KNOW, EACH END, WHICH AGAIN, AT ACROSS STREET, AT A DRIVEWAY, ET CETERA, ANYTIME WHERE A CAR COULD IN THEORY TURN INTO IT, THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT IT TO BE.

WHERE THERE'S A BREAK IN THE PROTECTED CURB LANES THAT ARE OUTSIDE AND THEN AT THE CURB CUTS.

I'M SORRY, HASCAL.

NO, NO, THAT'S OKAY.

AND THEN AT THE CURB CUTS, HAVING SOMETHING LOWER, LOWER PROFILE

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UM, SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS.

WHAT GOES ON TOP OF THAT? LIKE, THERE'S A HOLE, NOTHING.

THERE'S A TOP, THERE'S LIKE PLASTIC CAP.

IS THERE A TOP? I MEAN, OTHERWISE IT JUST FILLS UP WITH WATER.

THEY HAVE ONES THAT HAVE A LITTLE BALL ON IT, BUT YOU COULD DO OKAY.

AND THEY COULD BE SHORTER.

THEY COULD BE SHORTER.

THE THING IS THAT IT'S GOTTA BE A DETERRENT ENOUGH SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T DRIVE IN THE BIKE LANE.

THAT'S THE THING.

SO, BUT DIDN'T YOU SHOW, HOW TALL ARE THEY? DIDN'T YOU SHOW A PICTURE OF THEM BEING, UH, RUN OVER BY A TRUCK OR, YEAH, LIKE, AND THEY, YOU SAID THEY POP BACK UP OR THEY POP OFF.

I'M AFRAID THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE A HUGE OBSTACLE ON THE ROAD, BUT BUNCH OF TIMES THEY WON'T.

YEAH, BUT IT'S POSITIVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT, IT'S GOT A IN THE MIDDLE.

AND IT'LL, IT'LL DO THIS.

PLEASE SPEAK ON THE MIC.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

SORRY.

THAT'S IT.

IT IS FLEXIBLE, BUT, AND IT'LL TAKE A HIT, BUT IT WILL NOT SURVIVE MULTIPLE BEATINGS OVER AND OVER.

AND NEITHER WITH IT COMES IN DIFFERENT SIZES.

SO 1224, THIS IS 36, IT'LL, OKAY, PASS.

I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT LINDSAY HAD SAID.

I LIKE YOUR IDEA NUMBER ONE.

AND I AGREE WITH ALSO, RAY, THAT WE CONTINUE THIS AND YOU COME BACK WITH A RENDERING AS IT WAS REQUESTED TWO MONTHS AGO, AND I'M LOOKING UP THE, THE ARMADILLOS ARE EIGHT AND A HALF INCHES TALL, SUBSTANTIALLY TALLER THAN A REGULAR CURB.

SO WHAT'S THE ISSUE? IS IT LONGEVITY? YES, EXACTLY.

IT'S THE WAY THEY'RE BOLTED AND HOW MANY TIMES THEY GET HIT.

FAIR ENOUGH.

SO IF THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM, WHY DON'T WE JUST TEST OUT THE ARMADILLOS AND SEE IF IT WORKS AND, AND ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THEIR LONGEVITY IS IN PRACTICE? ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S A POSSIBILITY.

I JUST WANTED TO CAVEAT FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE THAT THEY ARE NOT MEANT TO LAST TOO LONG.

BUT NEITHER IS THIS ABSOLUTELY, BUT THAT'S NOT A VERY SPECIFIC RESPONSE.

NOT MEANT TO LAST TOO LONG.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS? WE HAVE HARSH ENVIRONMENT HERE.

I UNDERSTAND, BUT SOMEBODY'S GOT WARRANTY THIS TO LAST X NUMBER OF MONTHS OR YEARS OR WHATEVER.

THERE IS A WARRANTY ON THEM.

ABSOLUTELY THAT SO AND HOW LONG IS THAT? I, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT I CAN TELL YOU GENERALLY A COUPLE YEARS, I, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION PLEASE.

THE, THE PRODUCT ITSELF IS GONNA LAST.

IT'S NOT GONNA FALL APART.

IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE REMOVED FROM ITS SPOT.

SO IF IT GETS HIT EVERY DAY, MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY BY UPS TRUCK OR THE FIRE TRUCK, THEN IT'LL, IT'LL GET DISLODGED.

WHY WOULD IT MOVE? BECAUSE, UH, BECAUSE OF WHAT? THE SHEARER ON THE, THE BOLT? YEAH, THAT'S IT.

THE, THE DEPTH OF PENETRATION? NO, NO, NO, NO.

THE, THE SHEAR THE IMPACT.

SO THAT'S A FUNCTION OF THE DEPTH OF PENETRATION OF THE FASTENER.

THE FASTENERS, THERE'S GONNA BE THREE FASTENERS.

THERE ARE CHEMICALLY AND MECHANICALLY APPLIED.

RIGHT? SO THERE'S AN EPOXY THAT'S PUT IN, AND ALSO IT'S HAMMER DRILLED INTO THE GROUND.

THEY'RE VERY DURABLE.

THEY CAN TAKE A HIT.

SO I THINK ALIYAH SAID, SHE'S JUST BEING VERY CAUTIOUS.

LEMME FINISH.

THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE A LOT OF BEATINGS AND AT A CERTAIN POINT THEY'RE GONNA COME, THEY'RE GONNA JUST I HEAR YOU.

I, I UNDERSTAND THAT FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT.

WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU IS IF THE UNIT ITSELF CAN TAKE A LATERAL IMPACT, IT'S A FUNCTION OF THE FASTENER HOLDING IT IN PLACE THAT YOU'RE SAYING WOULD, WOULD YIELD.

SO IF YOU CHANGE THE FASTENER, GO FIRST, THE ATTACHMENT TO THE, TO THE SUBSTRATE, THEN THE ITEM IS GONNA LAST INDEFINITELY.

IT'LL LAST A LONG TIME.

AND IT CAN BE RE IT CAN BE REINSTALLED.

THAT'S, SO LET'S JUST DO THAT.

LET'S, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ALTERNATIVE.

AND, AND GO FROM THERE.

RAY, JUST ONE SECOND.

ELIZABETH HAS NECK THE FLOOR NEXT.

AND THEN IF I MAY, I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE THE SUGGESTIONS AND HOPEFULLY COME TO CONSENSUS HERE.

SO I THINK WHAT I HEAR MY COLLEAGUES HERE SAYING IS THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD LIVE COMFORTABLY WITH THE PROPOSAL OF HAVING THE BALLARDS WHERE THEY ARE MANDATORY FOR VISIBILITY, LIKE THE CURB CUTS AND WHATEVER ELSE THEY NEED TO BE.

AND OTHER AREAS LIKE IN THE, WHERE THE EXTENDED, UH, SIDEWALKS AND ET CETERA TO HAVE THE LOWER, A LOWER DEVICE THAT COULD GET, OR AN ALTERNATIVE ONE.

THE, UM, ENTRANCES AND ACCESS TO THE BIKE LANES.

AND SEAL WE'RE PROPOSING TO CONTINUE TO NEXT MONTH, THEN AT THAT POINT, YOU COULD BRING ALTERNATIVE ONES TO BE CONSIDERED AND THE BOARD CAN DECIDE IF IT'S THE WHICH ONE WE PREFER.

DOES THAT, SO JOSE, DO YOU GUYS WANT, WOULD YOU GUYS WANT TO HAVE AN APPROVAL TODAY OR DO YOU WANT TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH WITH OTHER OPTIONS? AN APPROVAL WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO DRIVE BIKE.

THEY'RE USING THE BIKING.

RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY THING THAT'S STOPPING YOU FROM OPENING THE BIKE LANES TODAY IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE HIGH BALLARDS WHERE THEY'RE MANDATORY.

SO WE ARE APPROVING THE HIGH BALLARDS WHERE THEY'RE MANDATORY.

WE ARE JUST WANNA DISCUSS FURTHER WHERE THEY ARE NOT YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THE BOARD COULD APPROVE WHAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER AND THEN CONTINUE THE APPLICATION TO EXPLORE ALTERNATIVES, IF, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO LATER, UM, INSTALLATION OR, UM, YEAH.

SO BASICALLY WE, THE BOARD COULD BE APPROVING NOW THE TALLER BOLLARDS AT

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APPROVING ARM MODELOS.

AT THE, UM, AT THE, UM, CURB EXTENSIONS, RIGHT? RIGHT.

TODAY.

AND THEN, UM, HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT COME BACK NEXT MONTH TO EXPLORE OTHER CHANGES IN THE FUTURE.

SO RIGHT NOW, THE BOARD IS APPROVING THAT, BUT IF THE BOARD WANTS TO, IF THE BOARD WANTS TO REVIEW OTHER CHANGES IN THE FUTURE, UM, TRANSPORTATION COULD COME BACK NEXT MONTH, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO BE, THEY'RE GONNA IMPLEMENT, THEY'RE GONNA IMPLEMENT WHAT WE APPROVE TODAY, WHICH I ENCOURAGE US TO DO, BY THE WAY.

UM, BUT WE ARE, BUT YOU'RE SAYING, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'D COME BACK UNTIL THERE'S ACTUALLY EITHER A NEW PROJECT OR A NEW LOCATION OR, OR WE'VE HAD TIME TO TEST IT OR THINGS LIKE THIS.

RAY, IS THERE A WORLD IN WHICH WE COULD APPROVE THIS TODAY? YEAH, I, I JUST, I KNOW YOU ORIGINALLY SUGGESTED CONTINUANCE, BUT I'M CURIOUS JUST TO CLARIFY THE, UH, ARMADILLOS, EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT LIFESPAN, LIFESPAN OF, DEPENDS ON WHERE IT'S LOCATED.

LOOK AT ON, UH, RIGHT NOW ON MERIDIAN, YOU HAVE THE ARM AND THEN LOOK AT THE ARMADILLOS THAT ARE ON THE VENETIAN CAUSEWAY .

I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A DIFFERENT LIFESPAN JUST BASED ON THE FACT THAT PEOPLE RUNNING OVER THEM ALL THE TIME.

SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAN'T COME UP WITH A, A FIGURE OF HOW LONG IT'S GONNA LAST BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S KIND OF DEPENDS.

ASK ONE MORE THING.

ABOUT THE PAINT, IF WE CAN ALSO INCLUDE THE PAINT AND THE APPROVAL.

YEAH, PAINT ON THE, THE DUST.

YES, YES, PLEASE.

SO THAT WAS PART OF THE ORDER, ISN'T IT? THE JOHN? YES.

I, I I'D LIKE TO PUT FORTH A MOTION AND WE'LL SEE WHERE WE STAND.

SO MY MOTION WOULD BE APPROVAL, UM, AS DRAFTED BY STAFF.

HOWEVER, WITH THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE'RE ONLY USING THE BOLLARDS AT THE ENTRY AND EXIT OF BIKE LANE, WHETHER THAT IS A CROSS STREET CURB, CUT DRIVEWAY, ET CETERA, AND THAT ALL OF THE BOUTS WOULD BE A LOWER MODALITY.

UM, ALLAH, THE ZIKA'S ARMADILLOS, ZIKA'S ARMADILLOS ARE APPROVED.

AND I, I GUESS IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE, I'M OKAY WITH YOU WORKING WITH STAFF SO LONG AS IT IS 10 INCHES OR SHORTER.

THE IDEA IS THAT REASONABLE? AND THE IDEA WOULD BE TO MINIMIZE THE USE OF THESE BALLARDS.

I THINK THESE ARE REALLY HORRIBLE BALLARDS UNDERSTAND, UM, AND THAT WE SHOULD, IF EVEN IF WE COULD USE THINNER BALLARDS, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE SPACING IS DIFFERENT.

SO WE'LL TRY THESE, OKAY.

AND WE'LL SEE IF WE GET WHAT WE GET 'EM.

SO TO REITERATE, OUR, FOR CLARIFICATION, WE WILL HAVE TWO BOLLARDS PER CORNER.

A TOTAL OF BIKE LANES TOTAL, EIGHT ENDS OF THE BIKE LANES.

SO A TOTAL OF EIGHT PER INTERSECTION, PLUS ANY DRIVEWAYS.

BUT THAT'S, UH, UH, ALONG THE CORRIDOR OF THE STREET.

UH, STAFF, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PLANNING.

I, I, I, I WOULD LIKE A, UH, CERTIFICATE, UH, REGARDING OR AN AFFIDAVIT REGARDING THE, UH, MAILING LABELS.

UH, CAN YOU FORWARD THAT TO THE BOARD? WOULD THAT BE YOU, JOSE? I GOT THE MAILING.

WE'LL GIVE YOU THE, SO WHEN THE CITY DOES THE LABELS THEMSELVES, WE DON'T HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT.

UM, WE HAVE, WE GENERATE THE LABELS BASED UPON THE, UM, OUR GIS SYSTEM.

I GOT THE MAIL LINK.

YOU GOT ONE? I GOT ONE.

NEITHER MYSELF, MY NEIGHBORS.

UH, WELL, ARE YOU WITHIN THE 250? I DIDN'T FIND MY NAME.

I'LL CHECK.

I'LL CHECK THE LABELS.

MITCH, I'LL CHECK.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON LINDSAY'S, UM, RECOMMENDATION? I'LL SECOND IT.

THANK YOU, RAY.

UM, SO WHAT IS, DO WE NEED A FIVE OR FOUR? FOUR.

FOUR.

DO YOU WANT TO, UM, DO I DO A ROLL CALL? CALL A ROLL.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU ALL.

WHAT I WANT, I'M NOT GONNA ASK FOR ANYTHING ON, DON'T FORGET.

OUR NEXT APPLICATION IS

[5. HPB25-0673, 407 Lincoln Road.]

HPV 25 DASH 6 73.

THIS IS 4 0 7 LINCOLN ROAD.

THIS IS AN APPLICATION REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF DECORATIVE LIGHTING FIXTURES.

ON THE EXISTING BUILDING, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE, UM, THE INTENSITY OF THE LIGHTING BE ABLE TO BE CONTROLLED AND THAT THE, UM, THE HOURS OF OPERATION OF THE LIGHTING ALSO BE SET, UM, WITH THE INTENSITY REDUCED, UM, AFTER, UM, 10:00 PM AND THE LIGHTING TURNED OFF AFTER MIDNIGHT, THAT TURNED OVER TO THE APPLICANT FOR THE PRESENTATION.

UH, HI, GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS JAVIER BARRERA.

I'M, UH, THE PRINCIPAL OF FORMER STUDIO 55 55

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PISCA BOULEVARD.

AND I'M HERE WITH, UH, ANGEL TORRES, WHO'S THE LOCAL DIRECTOR FOR, UH, EURO AMERICAN GROUP.

THEY ARE THE, UM, THE BUILDING'S OWNER.

SO, UM, IN THE PAST, UH, I WOULD SAY ABOUT SIX MONTHS, SEVEN MONTHS, THIS BUILDING'S BEEN UNDERGOING THROUGH SOME INTERNAL AND EXTERIOR RENOVATIONS.

AND THOSE INCLUDE LOBBY RENOVATIONS, ACTUALLY COMPLETE LOBBY RENOVATIONS, UH, NEW ENTRY CANOPIES ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK.

SO LINCOLN ROAD AND LINCOLN LANE, UH, NEW LOBBY STOREFRONTS, GENERAL CLEANING AND POLISHING OF THE EXTERIOR CLADDING OF THE BUILDING.

AND, UH, ALSO THE REPLACEMENT OF THE ROOFTOP CLOCK.

UH, SO WE'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE WANNA ENHANCE THE BUILDING, UH, THE APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING AT NIGHT, REALLY.

IF I CAN SWITCH TO THE POWERPOINT.

SO, UM, WE'LL START WITH SOME IMAGES.

THESE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE BUILDING AT DAYTIME.

UH, WE HAVE SOME FROM LINCOLN LANE ON THE TOP LEFT, UH, BOTTOM LEFT LINCOLN ROAD, WASHINGTON AVENUE NORTH, AND WASHINGTON AVENUE SOUTH.

AND HERE ARE SOME IMAGES AT NIGHT.

UM, AGAIN, DIFFERENT ANGLES, DIFFERENT STREETS, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY CLEAR FROM THESE IMAGES THAT THE BUILDING IS REALLY LOST AT NIGHT.

AND, UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO WORK ON, UH, WITH THIS PRESENTATION.

HERE ARE SOME, UM, ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING.

WE HAVE THE EAST AND NORTH ELEVATIONS, SO WASHINGTON AVENUE AND LINCOLN LANE.

AND HERE WE HAVE THE SOUTH ELEVATION FOR THE BUILDING.

UM, WE CAN SEE HERE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A STRONG VERTICAL ELEMENT, UM, THAT'S COMPRISED OF, UH, I WOULD SAY METAL FRAMES WITH THE, UM, GLAZING IN THE MIDDLE.

UM, AND THOSE ARE DIVIDED BY THE BLACK LINES, WHICH IS THE, THE, THE BUILDING CLADDING, THE STONE CLADDING THERE.

SO OUR PROPOSED PLAN IS TO HIGHLIGHT THESE VERTICAL, UH, UM, GROOVES THAT GO ALL THE WAY UP THE BUILDING BY ADDING SMALL LED LINEAR LIGHTS.

THESE WOULD BE BLACK, UH, AND THESE WOULD BE ATTACHED TO THE METAL FRAME.

UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY SMALL.

THEY'RE ABOUT HALF AN INCH BY HALF AN INCH.

AND, UH, AND THEY JUST WOULD LIGHT UP THE BUILDING AT NIGHT.

UM, HERE IS AN IMAGE OF WHAT, UM, THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL THAT IT HIGHLIGHTS THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING, BUT IT ALSO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS BECOMES A BEACON OF THE ENTRANCE INTO LINCOLN ROAD FROM, UH, I GUESS THE PEDESTRIAN, UM, PORTION OF LINCOLN ROAD.

AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER IMAGE HERE.

AND THIS IS MORE OF A FRONTAL IMAGE, UM, FROM WASHINGTON AVENUE.

LOOKING AT THE BUILDING, WE CAN SEE THE BANK, UH, AT THE, ABOUT THE BOTTOM AND THE WAY THE BUILDING WOULD BE LIT UP ABOVE THAT.

UM, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, UH, THE PRESENTATION.

UH, WE'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY.

UM, MITCH? YEAH.

DID YOU SAY, UH, IF YOU'RE REPAIRING THE CLOCK YEAH.

TEMPERATURE.

THE CLOCK HAS BEEN REPAIRED, ACTUALLY.

THAT'S GOOD.

GOOD TO HEAR.

IT DOESN'T TELL TIME.

IT, IT DOESN'T TELL TIME YET.

ALL BUT IT'S BEING, IT'S, UH, IT'S BEING PROGRAMMED.

ALL GREAT.

THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.

BUT, BUT ALL THE PANELS HAVE BEEN REPLACED.

UM, YEAH, EVERYTHING IS BRAND NEW.

THE CONCERN I HAVE, UH, DO YOU KNOW THE KELVIN TEMPERATURE OF THE LIGHT? THESE LIGHTS ARE GONNA BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 3000 AND 4,000.

YOU WANT IT BETWEEN 20 703,000.

I WOULD APPROVE THAT.

I THINK WHEN YOU GET INTO THE 4,000 RANGE.

IT'S, UH, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THE 3000.

3000 OR LESS.

AND WILL THEY BE DIMMABLE IF IN CASE IT'S TOO BRIGHT? THEY WILL BE DIMMABLE.

THESE ARE DIMMABLE FIXTURES? YES.

WE DO HAVE THAT AS A CONDITION AS WELL.

THEY HAVE TO BE DIMMABLE.

YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE 2,700 MM-HMM .

THAT'S, UH, CRITICAL.

'CAUSE YOU WANNA MAKE IT WARMER.

YOU WANT WARMER.

WARMER, YEAH.

SO WHEN WILL THE CLOCK BE UP AND RUNNING APPLICATION? I'M GONNA DEFER THAT QUESTION TO ANGEL TORRES.

I, MY NAME IS, MY NAME'S ANGEL TORRES.

I'M WITH YOUR AMERICAN GROUP, THE OWNERS OF THE BUILDING.

THE CLOCK IS UP AND IT'S REALLY, EVERYTHING'S BRAND NEW.

WE'RE WAITING FOR THE PROGRAMMERS TO COME.

I BELIEVE THEY'RE SCHEDULED FOR THE WEEK OF JANUARY 5TH.

SO EVERYTHING SHOULD BE OPERATIONAL IF THEY HOLD TO THAT DATE.

QUESTION.

THE, UH, COP IN THE ELEVATOR? THE STAINLESS STEEL WITH THE OLD 19, EARLY SEVENTIES? UH, WELL, THE ELEVATORS, THE ELEVATORS HAVEN'T BEEN TOUCHED.

I LOVE THE ELEVATORS IN THAT BUILDING.

HAVE YOU CHANGED OR MODERNIZED THE CAB WITH THE, UH, UH,

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I WOULD ASK YOU TO, THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA BE DONE IN THE RETAIN ELEVATORS, RETAIN THEM AND KEEP THEM IN GOOD REPAIR.

NO, THE, THE ONLY THING THAT'S BEEN DONE TO THE ELEVATORS, AND IT WAS APPROVED BY THE HPB, IT'S THE FLOORING.

WHAT WE DID WAS THE FLOORING.

AND THERE'S SOME PANELS BACK THERE WITH LITTLE CHICLETS THAT'S GONNA BE MATCH.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBERS THAT YOU PRESSED.

NO, THAT'S GONNA BE STAY THE SAME.

THAT'S A THROWBACK TO MY YOUTH.

NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT HASN'T BEEN CHANGED AT ALL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES.

JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, I, SINCE WE ASKED ABOUT THE TEMPERATURE, UM, ARE THEY SOLELY WHITE OR CAN THEY BE TECHNOLOGY HAS TO BE, BE COLORS.

I'M JUST CURIOUS.

THE ONES THAT YOU'RE INSTALLING.

WE HAVE THEM JUST WHITE.

BUT I MEAN, IT'S VERY EASY TO CHANGE.

UM, IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND JUST WANTED TO KNOW.

YEAH, THEY'RE WHITE.

HIGHLIGHTS THE BUILDINGS, DISTINCTIVE ARCHITECTURE, VERTICALITY.

UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, BOARD DISCLOSURES.

ANY DISCLOSURES? NO, THEN WE OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING.

WE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, UH, SUBJECT TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, THE DECORATIVE LIGHTING REALLY BEAUTIFULLY.

AND WE COMMEND THE OWNERS FOR RESTORING THE, SOMEWHAT RESTORING THE CLOCK.

I ACTUALLY SEE IT EVERY NIGHT.

STORE, BRAND NEW.

OH, REALLY? BRAND NEW.

EVERYTHING.

BRAND NEW.

BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S GREAT THE WAY I, I CAN SEE THE MINUTES AND SECONDS NOW, AND I KIND OF GUESS THE HOUR.

SO IT'S CLOSE .

UM, BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU.

I THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK REALLY NICE IN THE ENTRANCE AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S NICE WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT TRY TO KEEP THINGS PROPER.

ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE? ANYBODY ONLINE? NO, NOBODY ELSE ONLINE.

OKAY, PERFECT.

THEN, UM, ANYBODY, UH, BOARD, BOARD MEMBER REVIEW? OKAY.

DO YOU HAVE WHAT? I HAVE A COMMENT.

SO, UH, I AM VERY HAPPY THAT THE CLOCK IS, WILL BE BACK AND RUNNING .

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UM, BRINGING NEW LIFE TO THE BUILDING WITH THE LIGHTING.

UH, MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD BE, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE TIMID GESTURE.

UM, I LIKE, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING, IT'S IN THE DARK.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE A VERTICAL ELEMENT TO HIGHLIGHT.

'CAUSE THE CORNER IS AN INDENTED CORNER.

SO THE, THE CORNER OF THE CORNER, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PUT SOME LIGHTING, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT IT'S MARKING THE ENTRANCE TO LINCOLN ROAD, AND THEN THE CORNER THAT'S ACTUALLY THE CORNER OF LINCOLN ROAD AND, UM, LINCOLN ROAD AND WASHINGTON MM-HMM .

IS IN THE DARK.

SO I THINK IF YOU COULD PUT SOME MORE LIGHT IN THERE, OR MAYBE ALSO ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING SO IT DOESN'T GET LOST IN THE NIGHT SKY.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION TO IT.

MAYBE WE CAN ADD ONE RIGHT IN THE INNER CORNER THERE, UM, OF THE IMAGE.

IF YOU COULD BRING BACK THE, THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE, THE .

YOU MAYBE PUT THE RECORD WE PRESENTATION AGAIN? YEAH.

ON THE PRESENTATION.

YEAH, IT'S HERE.

THE LI EIGHT PJ.

CAN WE PULL UP, PULL UP THE PRESENTATION AGAIN? YEAH, THERE YOU GO.

SO MAYBE IN THAT INNER CORNER THERE, UH, YEAH, MAYBE WE CAN, WE CAN PUT ANOTHER, ANOTHER STRIP .

NO, I KNOW.

UM, WE, WE WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT.

UM, SO DO I, UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO YOU HAVE A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, INCORPORATING THE COMMENTS.

UH, STUDY THE CORNER LIGHTING, UH, 3000 KELVIN TEMPERATURE OR LESS.

UH, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, WITH, WITH THE STAFF, THE CONDITIONS ENUMERATED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.

ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, HPV 25 DASH 0 6 7 5 FOR 1651 WASHINGTON AVENUE.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

SECOND.

DO ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

OUR, OUR LAST APPLICATION

[6. HPB25-0675, 1651 Washington Avenue– Electronic Murals.]

THIS IS AN APPLICATION REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF TWO ELECTRONIC MURALS ON THE ROOFTOP OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.

UM, BOTH OF THESE ARE,

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UM, ELECTRONIC MURALS ON THE TOP OF THE TOP OF THE STRUCTURE.

THE CODE DOES REQUIRE THAT THESE MURALS CANNOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.

SO THEY HAVE CONSTRUCTED OR PROPOSING THESE, UM, LANDSCAPE PLANTERS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE ROOFTOP.

UM, THEY ALSO HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY BE DIMED NO MORE THAN 250 NITS OR TURNED OFF BETWEEN, UM, 12:00 AM AND 7:00 AM AND ALSO IF THEY EXCEED, UM, 100 SQUARE FEET, THEY ALSO REQUIRE REVIEW, UM, BY THE CITY COMMISSION.

WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS ENUMERATED IN THE DRAFT FINAL ORDER.

AND WITHOUT TURN OVER TO THE APPLICANT FOR THE PRESENTATION.

TO MAKE SURE WE WERE IN CONFORMITY WITH THE CODE.

AND GOOD MORNING.

UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH, MICHAEL BELU.

MY NAME IS PAUL SAVAGE.

WE HAVE LAW OFFICES AT 200 SOUTH BISCAYNE, UH, MIAMI, FLORIDA.

I'M HERE ON AGENDA NUMBER SIX.

THE LAST ITEM, UH, ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

AND, UH, GIVEN THE TIME, I'M GONNA MOVE VERY QUICKLY, UH, SO THAT WE MAKE IT ON TIME.

UH, I'M HERE TOGETHER WITH ROB ALVAREZ OF OUR OFFICE.

UM, OUR ARCHITECT OF RECORD, JOSE GOMEZ AND ELVIS PENTON, UH, ARE HERE AVAILABLE ONLINE.

UH, I'M PROUD TO REPRESENT MY CLIENT, THE OWNER OF JAMMAGE AT 1651, UH, 1651 WASHINGTON, OWNER OF THE GEM.

AND THIS CONCERNS THE ROOFTOP.

UH, WE HAVE A NEW, UH, ROOFTOP, UH, RESTAURANT THAT WILL BE THERE.

AND THIS APPLICATION CONCERNS ONLY ELECTRONIC MURALS THAT WILL BE PROJECTED.

UH, AND MY CLIENT IS CARLOS ANGUS, UH, AND HE IS THE OWNER AGAIN, OF JAMMAGE AND ALSO 2050, WHICH IS THE, THE NAME OF THE NEW, UM, THE NEW PROPOSED RESTAURANT.

SO AGAIN, UH, GIVEN THE TIME, WE'RE GONNA GO NICE AND SPRIGHTLY THROUGH HERE.

THESE ARE OUR, UH, CONSULTANTS AND, UH, ARCHITECTS OF RECORD THAT I MENTIONED, AS WELL AS OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WHO WORKED ON THE SHIELDING.

UH, THIS IS THE SITE HERE, 1651 WASHINGTON.

I WAS EXCITED TO WATCH THE IMMEDIATELY, UH, PREVIOUS ITEM BECAUSE WE WILL BE LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET AT ONE ANOTHER AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A PERFECTLY TASTEFUL LIGHTING, UM, CONFIGURATION THAT YOU JUST APPROVED.

SO WE'RE HERE AT 1651.

AGAIN, WE HAVE THE JAMMAGE, UM, LOCATION IN THAT BUILDING.

THIS CONCERNS THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE ROOFTOP.

UH, THIS IS IN THE COMMERCIAL HIGH INTENSITY CD THREE ZONING DISTRICT, AND OF COURSE, WE'RE IN THE HISTORIC FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.

WE ARE, AS, UH, MICHAEL EXPLAINED, WE ARE, UH, RES, RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THIS BOARD'S APPROVAL OF CERTAIN NON-COMMERCIAL ELECTRONIC MURALS THAT HAVE MOVING IMAGES.

OF COURSE, THESE CAN ONLY BE ARTISTIC IN NATURE.

UH, THEY CANNOT BE IN ANY WAY AN ADVERTISEMENT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

AND OF COURSE, WE ARE NOT DOING THAT.

THIS IS GONNA BE PART OF A VERY, UH, REFINED EXPERIENCE ON THE ROOFTOP.

VERY ARTISTIC, VERY APPROPRIATE FOR ART BASEL.

UH, THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE PROJECTIONS WILL INVOKE THE EVERGLADES ORGANIC GREENERY, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT.

VERY SLOW MOVING.

AND WE WORKED WITH STAFF.

UM, THIS, UH, THIS HAS THIS, UH, DRAWING RIGHT HERE SHOWS THE, THE TWO MURALS IN QUESTION ONE, UH, PROJECTING ALL THIS IS INTERIOR, BY THE WAY, SHIELDED FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS MANDATORY UNDER THE CODE.

UH, THIS WOULD ONLY BE VISIBLE ON THE ROOFTOP ITSELF.

UH, ONE GOES TOWARDS THE SOUTH ON A WALL AND THE OTHER ONE GOES, UM, UH, I'M SORRY, TOWARD THE SOUTH ON, ON A TOWER WALL.

THE OTHER ONE GOES IN A NORTHERLY DIRECTION, ALSO ON AN INTERIOR WALL.

UH, WE, UH, PUT TOGETHER RENDERS, UH, THIS, THIS IS THE ONE, UM, UH, LOOKING TOWARD THE NORTH.

UH, AGAIN, THERE'LL BE ORGANIC SHAPES, INVOKING NATURAL SCENES, VERY TASTEFUL AND ALSO SHIELDED FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY AS REQUIRED.

THIS IS THE ONE LOOKING TOWARDS THE SOUTH, AGAIN, TOWARDS THE TOWER THAT'S THERE IN OUR, UH, 1951 STRUCTURE, UM, COMMERCIAL OFFICE BUILDING THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, UH, THERE WITH THE TOWER.

AGAIN, UH, WORKED VERY CAREFULLY WITH STAFF.

YOU'LL NOTE THAT THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE PROJECTION IS QUITE LIMITED.

IT DOES NOT GO UP THE LENGTH OF THAT TOWER, WHICH IS PART OF THE PROHIBITION AGAINST BEING VISUAL VI UH, BEING ABLE TO BE SEEN FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO IT'S VERY LOW, IT'S VERY CONSTRAINED.

UM, A AS WE WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH STAFF

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UM, IMPORTANT FOR THIS IS THE SHIELDING, WHICH WE WENT WITH A VEGETATIVE SHIELDING.

UH, THIS IS THE, UH, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED A PORT PORTUS PORTUS MACRO PHYLLIS, UM, UH, AND OR A JAPANESE UEW OR JAPANESE PLUM.

UH, AND WE ARE PLANTING, UH, WHITE PLANTERS.

AND THEN THESE, UM, THESE, UH, SPECIES ARE REQUIRED TO BE AT LEAST SIX FEET IN HEIGHT PER THE REQUIREMENTS AND THE APPROVAL SO THAT THEY WILL SERVE AS A VEGETATIVE BUFFER AND SHIELDING TO MAKE SURE THAT NONE OF THE VISUALS CAN BE VIEWED FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UH, THIS IS A CROSS SECTION OF THE, UH, PLANTING SYSTEM TOGETHER WITH THE VEGETATION.

AND OF COURSE WE ALLOW FOR, UM, UM, IRRIGATION AND WHAT'S NEEDED UP THERE FOR, TO TAKE CARE OF THESE PLANTS.

UH, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL, UM, RENDERINGS.

THIS IS FROM, UH, THE BUILDING ON THE LINCOLN ROAD.

UH, FROM THAT VISUAL, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THAT, UH, FROM THAT LOCATION.

UH, THIS IS, UH, FROM 4 7 4 0 7.

THE APPLICANT IN THE LAST ITEM.

UH, SO YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, SHIELDING THERE.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROJECTIONS TO THE EASTBOUND IN ANY WAY, SO YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE ANYTHING THERE.

AND THIS IS, UM, SHOWING, UM, FROM THE LINCOLN ROAD STREET LEVEL PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.

YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IT DUE TO THE ANGLES.

AND THE LOW REQUIREMENT FOR THE PROJECTION COMBINED WITH THE VEGETATIVE SCREENING MEANS THAT YOU CANNOT SEE IT FROM THE STREET.

UH, ALSO AGAIN, FROM WASHINGTON, UH, HERE, FROM THE CORNER, YOU CAN SEE THAT ICONIC TOWER THERE.

UH, AND YOU CANNOT SEE ANY OF THE PROJECTIONS.

UM, WE ARE HAPPY TO COME BEFORE YOU WITH A FAVORABLE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

AGAIN, UH, UH, MANY MEETINGS, UH, UH, WITH MICHAEL AND HIS STAFF.

AND, UH, THEY HAVE ENUMERATED CERTAIN CONDITIONS, ONE OF WHICH IS THAT WE HAVE TO GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

UM, AND HE ALSO WROTE IN THERE A SENTENCE, UH, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING US TO GO BACK TO STAFF AS WE CHANGE THESE.

SO THAT STAFF HAS EMPOWERED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T PUT ANYTHING DISTASTEFUL OR THEY CAN DOUBLE CHECK.

UM, COUPLE MORE ROOFTOP RENDERINGS WITH THAT, UM, I WILL PROMPTLY GIVEN THE TIME CONCLUDE, AND I THANK THIS BOARD.

IT'S MY PLEASURE TO SEE YOU AS ALWAYS, AND, UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, YOUR FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

I MEAN, THIS IS FOR A NEW RESTAURANT ON THE ROOFTOP.

WHERE IS THE ENTRANCE GONNA BE FOR THAT? UM, I, I, I'VE BEEN TO THE BUILDING AND YOU GO, THERE'S A, THERE'S A STAIRWELL AND AN ELEVATOR THAT IS ON THE, UH, SOUTHERN END OF THE BUILDING FOR THE VARIOUS, SO IT'S ON, IT'S ON LINCOLN AND NOT WASHINGTON, I BELIEVE.

THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING'S ON WASHINGTON.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE? YES, SIR.

SOMEWHERE NEAR RAISING CANE.

YEAH, IT'S RIGHT BY RAISING CANE.

YEP.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS? YES.

I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS REGARDING THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM.

SO HOW ARE THE PLANTERS DRAIN? AND IF I AM NOT SURE EXACTLY ABOUT HOW THEY'RE PLANNING TO IRRIGATE.

AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS, WHAT'S THE TECHNOLOGY FOR THE ELECTRONIC SCREENS? IT'S LIKE A PROJECTION.

IS THERE ANY YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A RELATIVELY SIMPLE TECHNOLOGY OF THE, OF PROJECTION.

UM, IT'S NOT A LIGHTED SCREEN, IF YOU WILL, LIKE A TELEVISION OR LED OR ANYTHING.

IT'S A PROJECTION.

UH, SO I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

I DO HAVE MY, UM, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, UM, ON THE LINE IF WE'RE ABLE TO ACTIVATE HIM.

UH, HIS NAME, HIS NAME IS KEEL SEMLER.

UH, UH, KEEL HAS HIS HAND RAISED.

HAND RAISED.

AND ALSO WE, WE HAVE, DO YOU HAVE A CONDITION IN THE ORDER, UM, REQUIRING IRRIGATION? RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, AND MENTIONED THERE WILL BE IRRIGATION, BUT MY CONCERN IS LIKE WHEN YOU PUT THE WATER AND IF IT DRAINS, IT DRAINS TO WEAR.

'CAUSE THERE SHOULD BE LIKE A OF THAT PART IF IT'S NOT SURE.

SOME KIND OF CONTROL THERE.

UM, KEIL, ARE YOU THERE? I'M HERE.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? HI.

BEFORE YOU START SPEAKING, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM, UH, THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL BE GIVING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.

YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.

AND THE PLANTERS, UM, WE'RE CONNECTING TO THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE ROOF.

UM, SO YEAH, THE IRRIGATION IS A PERMANENT SYSTEM.

IT'S, UH, DRIP LINES AND MICRO EMITTERS

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UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NEW AND THERE'S NEW EXISTING, UH, BUILT-IN PLANTERS AND WE'RE JUST SORT OF PIGGYBACKING OFF OF THAT.

AND WE HAVE, UH, AUTOMATIC CONTROLLERS AND THE, UH, DRAINAGE IS COORDINATED WITH ROOF DRAINAGE.

SO, UM, FROM THE PLANTERS TO THAT EXISTING ROOF DRAINAGE.

UM, SEEING NO MORE, UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

LET'S, UH, BOARD DISCLOSURES.

ANY DISCLOSURES ON THIS? NO, NO, NO.

UM, PUBLIC HEARING, ROGER, OH, I WONDER IT HAPPENED.

ONLY 10.

UM, PROJECT GOLA, MDPL, WE, WE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT PROVIDED IT COMPLIES WITH THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH'S LOCAL LIGHT POLLUTION REGULATIONS AND DARK SKY STANDARDS.

WE APPRECIATE THAT THE OUTPUT WILL BE REDUCED TO TWO 50 NETS.

IS IT, UH, AFTER MIDNIGHT AND THAT THE INSTALLATION IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.

WE ENCOURAGE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD TO ENSURE THIS PROJECT ADHERES TO THESE IMPORTANT ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS.

ANYBODY ELSE? AND THERE'S NOBODY LINE WITH THEIR HAND RAISED.

UM, SO BOARD MEMBER COMMENT OR, UM, OR, UM, MOTION IF NO COMMENTS, I'LL SECOND GO.

WAIT, WAIT.

RAY WAS ABOUT TO, I KNEW WE WAS GONNA SECOND.

HE SAID I'LL SECOND TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS WITH THE CONDITIONS OF STAFF.

THANK YOU FOR THE SPEEDY DELIVERY MEETING.

[DISCUSSION ITEMS AND PROGRESS REPORTS]

BUSINESS.

NEW BUSINESS.

WE GOT SIX MINUTES.

I HAVE, UH, SOMETHING TO, OH, YOU DO ACTUALLY DO HAVE SOMETHING YOU MUST SAY.

UH, HAD A BIG PRESERVATION VICTORY THAT, THAT I REALIZED DURING ART BASEL HAS TO DO WITH A, UH, T HUNTER HENDERSON STRUCTURE THAT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN ALONG COLLINS AVENUE IN SURFSIDE 93 40 BOGANVILLE APARTMENTS.

WAY BACK IN 2013, I SERVED ON THE COUNTY'S BOARD AND THE COUNT, UH, THE BOARD AT THAT TIME WAS ABOUT TO APPROVE ITS, UH, MOVEMENT, ITS RELOCATION.

AND, UH, I, I OBJECTED, UH, CONCERNED OF COURSE WITH THE OOPS FACTOR.

UH, THE DEVELOPER AT THE TIME AGREED TO RETAIN IT.

AND ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, I WAS TOLD THAT THE NEW BOARD, UH, APPROVED ITS DEMOLITION AND RECONSTRUCTION.

UH, SINCE THAT TIME THE KUSHNER, UH, UH, FAMILY OR ENTITY HAD PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND THEY HAVE SHORTED UP AND IT'S, UH, BEING SHOWCASED AS THE CENTERPIECE OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT, UH, HAPPENING TODAY.

SO, UH, I'M PROUD OF THAT.

CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR SERVICE, .

OH, THANK YOU.

AND, UH, THANK YOU ALL.

WE'LL SEE YOU ALL ON JANUARY 13TH.

13TH.