* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ARIAN, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. [ATTENDANCE] [00:00:06] GOOD MORNING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 10TH MEETING OF THE MIAMI BEACH HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. I AM JOHN STEWART, I'M THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD, AND, UH, I AM DELIGHTED TO HAND THE, UM, FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS OVER TO MICHAEL BELU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S KNOWLEDGE, BEFORE WE BEGIN SOME UPDATES TO THE AGENDA, I'D LIKE TO LET, UM, JUSTIN HERE, LET US LET THE, UM, AUDIENCE KNOW HOW THEY MAY PARTICIPATE, UM, AND ZOOM TODAY, AND ALSO READ THE NOTICE REGARDING LOBBY FOR REGISTRATION. [CITY ATTORNEY UPDATES] THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD IS BEING CONDUCTED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH A QUORUM OF THE BOARD PHYSICALLY PRESENT, UH, IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AT MIAMI BEACH CITY HALL, AND APPLICANT'S STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM. THOSE WISHING TO PARTICIPATE IN TODAY'S MEETING VIA ZOOM MAY DIAL THE TOLL FREE NUMBER, WHICH IS 8 8 8 4 7 5 4 4 9 9, AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 1 7 4 8 3 4 7 4 8 8 POUND, OR LOG INTO THE ZOOM APP AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH AGAIN IS 8 1 7 4 8 3 4 7 4 8 8. INDIVIDUALS WISHING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM MUST CLICK THE RAISE HAND ICON IF THEY'RE USING THE ZOOM APP, OR DIAL STAR NINE IF THEY'RE PARTICIPATING BY PHONE. BEFORE I SWEAR IN THOSE WHO ARE TESTIFYING, I'M GOING TO READ INTO THE RECORD THE CITY'S NOTICE REGARDING LOBBYIST REGISTRATION. IF YOU ARE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A BUSINESS, A CORPORATION, OR ANOTHER PERSON, INCLUDING AS AN ARCHITECT ATTORNEY, A REPRESENTATIVE OF AN APPLICANT, OR AN OBJECTOR, YOU NEED TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. BEFORE YOU SPEAK TO THE BOARD, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO REGISTER IF YOU ARE SPEAKING ONLY ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF AND NOT ANY OTHER PARTY. YOU ARE TESTIFYING AS AN EXPERT WITNESS, PROVIDING ONLY SCIENTIFIC, TECHNICAL, OR OTHER SPECIALIZED INFORMATION OR TESTIMONY IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING, OR YOU ARE APPEARING AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION FOR YOUR APPEARANCE TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR OR OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM. EXPERT WITNESSES AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REPRESENTATIVES SHALL PRIOR TO APPEARING DISCLOSE IN WRITING TO THE CITY CLERK, THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THE PRINCIPLE ON WHOSE BEHALF THEY'RE COMMUNICATING. THESE RULES APPLY WHETHER YOU ARE APPEARING IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST AN ITEM, OR ENCOURAGING OR ARGUING AGAINST ITS PASSAGE, DEFEAT, MODIFICATION, OR CONTINUANCE. [SWEARING IN OF PUBLIC] I'LL NOW SWEAR IN EVERYONE WHO IS PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AND INTENDS TO TESTIFY. UH, VIRTUAL SPEAKERS WILL NEED TO BE SWORN IN ONE BY ONE BEFORE ADDRESSING THE BOARD. SO IF YOU'LL BE TESTIFYING, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL BE GIVING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. YES, I DO. THANK YOU. BACK TO YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO, UM, JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S, UM, UM, AWARENESS, WE DO HAVE SIX OF SEVEN MEMBERS PRESENT TODAY. UM, HEKE MEYER, UM, CANNOT NOT ATTEND THE MEETING. UM, AND BEFORE THE MEETING TODAY, THE APPLICANT HAS DEFERRED THE FOUND BILL APPLICATION. UM, WHAT THAT MEANS, THIS IS A, A ONE-TIME DEFERRAL. THEIR APPLICANT IS ALLOWED AS OF RIGHT, A ONE-TIME DEFERRAL. THEY PAY A FEE AND THIS IS DEFERRED TO A FUTURE DATE. THIS MEANS THAT THE APPLICANT WILL BE FULLY RENO, UM, BY NEWSPAPER. ANYBODY, UM, RECEIVING NOTICE PREVIOUSLY, WE'LL GET A NEW NOTICE FOR THE NEW DATE. AT THIS POINT, THE S CAN COME BACK, WOULD BE THE, UM, THE MAIN MEETING OR JUNE MEETING, BUT TODAY THERE'LL BE NO DISCUSSION IN THE FOUNTAIN BLUE. A DEFERMENT IS AS OF RIGHT. UM, THERE'S NO BOARD DISCUSSION. THE APPLICANT DOES NOT SPEAK. THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE, ON THE, ON THE REQUEST FOR DEFERMENT. IT'S BEEN DONE. UM, THE APPLICATION CANNOT BE HEARD TODAY WITH THE DEFERMENT. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE, UM, PAUSE THE MEETING TO ALLOW THE ROOM TO CLEAR AND THEN CONTINUE WITH THE REST OF THE AGENDA. THANK YOU. VOTE, VOTE, VOTE, VOTE, VOTE. EJ IF WE CAN PAUSE THE MEETING. ALRIGHT, UM, NEXT [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. WE MAY HAVE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO APPROVE. SURE. SO THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF THE DECEMBER 16TH, 2025 ME, UH, MINUTES JUST TO KNOW THAT THE JANUARY MEETING WAS CANCELED AND THAT WAS BECAUSE ALL THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA WERE REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCES. SO WE DO HAVE, UM, A BOARD MEETING SET AND EVERYBODY COME IN FOR A, UH, JUST TO CONTINUE THE APPLICATIONS. THE CHAIR DECIDED JUST TO CANCEL THE MEETING, AVOID THE DELAY BECAUSE WITH THE CANCELLATION OF THE MEETING, EVERYTHING IS CONTINUED TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE AGENDA, WHICH WAS TODAY'S MEETING. SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE ASKING FOR, UM, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER 16TH, 2025 MEETING DATE. I MOVE TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MAY. OPPOSED? IT'S APPROVED, UH, SIX TO ZERO. UM, JUST FOR [1. ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR] THE NOTICE OF BUSINESS, WE'RE GONNA MOVE THE ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TO NEXT MONTH'S MEETING BECAUSE HASKELL MEYER WAS REAPPOINTED, BUT [00:05:01] HE COULD NOT ATTEND TODAY. SO NEXT MONTH WE'LL HAVE, UM, EVERYBODY WITH JOHN STEWART IN ATTENDANCE, AND WE MAY, MAY HAVE ACTUALLY A POSITION, UM, SOMEONE TO FILL HIS POSITION. SO IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO MOVE THE, UH, ELECTION CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TO, UM, NEXT MONTH'S MEETING. NOW WE [3. HPB25-0656, 1600 Washington Avenue, 425 16th Street and 1601 Drexel Avenue.] DO HAVE A REQUEST NEXT FOR, UM, CONTINUANCE. THIS IS FOR, UM, H PB 25 DASH 0 6 5 6 1600 WASHINGTON AVENUE, 4 25 16TH STREET, AND 1601 DREXEL AVENUE. THE BOARD MAYOR, REMEMBER THIS, THIS WAS, UM, FIRST BEFORE YOU LAST NOVEMBER. CONTINUE TILL JANUARY. CONTINUE TILL TODAY BECAUSE OF THE CANCELLATION MEETING. I'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, SINCE, UM, CHRISTMAS, AND THEY'VE FAILED TO, UM, ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE BOARD, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR ANOTHER CONTINUANCE AT THIS POINT. UM, LET ME SEE IF, IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR, UM, 1600 WASHINGTON AVENUE? UM, I BELIEVE THEY'RE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE TILL THE, UM, LET ME SEE. GIMME ONE SECOND. IT SAYS AUTOMATICALLY CONTINUED TO ONE 13. IT WAS, THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS, THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS, UM, IT WAS CONTINUED FROM THE ONE NOVEMBER. SORRY. IT SHOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY CONTINUED FROM, YEAH, CONTINUED FROM THE ONE 13 MEETING TO TODAY'S MEETING. UM, BUT I THINK THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE UNTIL THE, UM, A APRIL MEETING. LET ME SEE. JUST A SECOND. JUST A SECOND. CONTINUE, UH, THE REQUEST, LET'S CONTINUE THIS TO THE, UM, APRIL 14TH MEETING. I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. NICK. HOW MANY TIMES CAN AN APPLI APPLICANT CONTINUE AN ITEM? IS THERE A LIMIT? WELL, THE DEFERRAL THAT YOU SAW WITH THE FOUND BLUE APPLICATION, THAT'S ONE TIME. UM, HOW MANY TIMES CAN THE BOARD CONTINUE AN APPLICATION? NO, NO, NO. AN APPLICANT CONTINUE THEIR APPLICATION. THE ONLY WAY FOR AN APPLICANT TO, TO CONTINUE AN APPLICATION ON THEIR OWN IS TO PAY THE ONE TIME DEFERRAL. UM, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SAW WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE FIRST APPLICATION ON TODAY'S AGENDA. SO I, I, I'M, EVERYTHING OTHER THAN THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE BOARD TO VOTE TO GRANT THE CONTINUANCE. BUT CAN AN APPLICANT, UH, REPEATEDLY, UH, SEEK A CONTINUANCE? YES, ALTHOUGH I THINK THERE IS A TIME LIMIT, THERE'S A MAXIMUM OF 120 DAYS BETWEEN, BETWEEN, UM, CONTINUANCES. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I WOULD MOVE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM UNTIL, DID YOU SAY THE APRIL MEETING? APRIL MEETING, CORRECT. YES. BUT THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING IN GOOD FAITH ABOUT TO, TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE BOARD. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IF I TOLD THEM THEY WERE OKAY, THEY COULD HAVE COME BEFORE THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, NEXT MONTH, BUT THEY'RE STILL NOT THERE. I'LL SECOND THAT. I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? SO THAT APPLICATION HAS BEEN CONTINUED TO THE APRIL 14TH MEETING, [4. HPB25-0684.  833 6th Street – Fire Station #01.] AND THEN WE'LL PROCEED WITH THE, UM, THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR, UM, REGULAR, UM, APPROVAL IS, UM, HPB 25 DASH 0 6 8 4. THIS IS, UM, 8 33 6 STREET FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE. AND I'LL BRIEF, I'LL READ A BRIEF INTRODUCTION TO THE APPLICATION AND THEN THE APPLICANT WILL, UM, GIVE A PRESENTATION AND THERE'LL BE TIME FOR, UM, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT. SO AGAIN, THIS IS HPB 25 DASH 6 84 8 33 6 SIXTH STREET. UM, THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY FOR THE SITE OF THIS, THE FORMER OF THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER. THE CURRENT APPLICATION IS TO REESTABLISH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD APPROVALS FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW FIRE STATION AND THE INSTALLATION OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UM, APOLLO MURAL. THESE APPROVALS WERE ORIGINALLY GRANTED BY THE BOARD IN 2022 AND 2023, BUT WERE NOT IMPLEMENTED DUE TO A CITY COMMISSION DECISION TO PURSUE AN ALTERNATE LOCATION SITE IN FLAMINGO PARK. AND FOLLOWING SUBSEQUENT CITY COMMISSION DIRECTION TO PROCEED AGAIN IN THE SITE, THE PROJECT HAS BEEN RESUBMITTED FOR RE-APPROVAL. NOW THE EXISTING SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER HAS BEEN DETERMINED PREVIOUSLY, UM, BY THE BOARD TO BE NON-CONTRIBUTING TO THE FINGAL PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT AND, UM, COULD NOT BE FEASIBLY, UM, REASONABLY ADAPTED TO MEET THE OPERATIONAL SECURITY AND RESILIENCY REQUIREMENTS OF A MODERN MUNICIPAL FIRE STATION. NOW THERE IS A SEPARATE, UM, AND ONGOING DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH WAS INITIATED LAST YEAR. THAT PROCESS HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED AND IS INDEPENDENT OF THE CURRENT APPLICATION. UM, THIS PROJECT DOES RESPOND TO THE, THE, UM, PRIOR BOARD'S CONCERNS AND APPROVALS THROUGH THE INCORPORATION [00:10:01] OF SELECT ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING, IMPROVED PEDESTRIAN ENGAGEMENT ALONG SIXTH STREET, AND THE INTEGRATION OF THE SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC ART THROUGH THE APOLLO UH, MURAL. I WOULD NOTE THAT THE HP B'S DIRECT ACTION ON DEMOLITION IS ADVISORY IN NATURE AS FINAL APPROVAL DOES REST WITH THE CITY COMMISSION. THE CITY COMMISSION HAS THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE OR DENY DEMOLITION FOR, UM, UM, GOVERNMENT, UM, OWN PARCELS BASED ON THE PROJECT HISTORY. UM, PRIOR BOARD APPROVALS AND ACTIONS AND INCORPORATION OF HISTORIC DESIGN ELEMENTS AND CONTINUED PUBLIC BENEFIT ASSOCIATED WITH THE INSTALLATION OF THE APOLLO MURAL. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE BOARD PROVIDE AN ADVISORY RECOMME RECOMMENDATION IN SUPPORT OF THE DEMOLITION AND APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE NEW FIRE STATION AND MURAL INSTALLATION THAT TURN IT OVER TO THE, UM, CITY FOR THE PRESENTATION. BEFORE YOU DO YOUR PRESENTATION, IS THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF ABOUT THIS? NO. OKAY. NO. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. DAVID GOMEZ, DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. UH, IT IS MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY. UNFORTUNATELY, MICHAEL STOLE EVERYTHING I WAS GONNA SAY, . UM, AS HE MENTIONED, THE PROJECT HAS DID RECEIVE APPROVALS IN 2022 AND 2023. UM, BECAUSE OF DIRECTION OF THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT ALTERNATE SITES, WE, WE ABANDONED THAT APPLICATION OR, OR THAT PERMIT. WE EVEN HAD THE PERMIT IN HAND AT THAT POINT, UH, TO LOOK AT AN ALTERNATE SITE. AS OF DECEMBER, THE COMMISSION ASKED US TO COME BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LOCATION, WHICH IS THIS ONE, AND WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU TO SEEK APPROVAL OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVED PLAN , UH, SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT CONSTRUCTION. AND, AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, JASON JENSEN OF WATERMAKER JENSEN TO WALK US THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. GLAD TO BE BACK AGAIN. UM, THE PROJECT THAT, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME. UM, AND ACTUALLY JUST TO ADD ON TO THAT, SINCE THAT TIME, THIS, UH, PROJECT WAS ACTUALLY AWARDED A STATE DESIGN AWARD, UH, SPECIFICALLY IN THE AREA OF RESILIENCY AND SUSTAINABILITY. SO EXCITED TO IMPLEMENT THAT IT WILL BE, UH, THE MOST RESILIENT FIRE STATION, UH, IN THE CITY. IT'LL BE THE ONLY LOCATION THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY KEEP APPARATUS ON THE ISLAND. UH, SO THAT ADDS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF VALUE TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. GOING BACK THROUGH THIS, UH, PROPOSAL, OBVIOUSLY, UH, LOCATION FALLS RIGHT IN BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT HISTORIC DISTRICTS WITH OCEAN BEACH AND FLAMINGO PARK RIGHT ON THE EDGE, UH, CHARACTERISTICS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, WE OBVIOUSLY ANALYZE, UH, SOME OF THE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, BUT MOST OF THE REFERENCES ARE DIRECTLY FROM THE, THE SITE THAT WE ARE USING FOR OUR BUILDING. FROM A SITE PLAN, UH, STANDPOINT, THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE. YOU SEE THE LOCATION IN DARK GRAY OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, UH, THE PARKING AND THE ACCESS TO THE ALLEY THAT IS ALL EXISTING AND SOME OF THOSE, UH, ALLEY ACCESS WE'RE REMAINING IN PLACE FOR THE NEW PROJECT. THIS IS AN OVERLAY THAT SHOWS YOU THE FIRE STATION IN GREEN WITH THE DASHED RED LINE AND IT'S LOCATION IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE. IT HAS TWO RAMPS ON EITHER SIDE THAT ALLOW YOU TO, UH, RAISE THAT ELEVATION, SO GET THE APPARATUS OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN, AND THAT ALLOWS SOME PARKING TO HAPPEN BELOW THE BUILDING AS WELL. SO WE'RE ABLE TO GET ALL OF THE PARKING NEEDED FOR THE STATION AND THEN MAINTAIN SOME OF THE EXISTING PARKING BEHIND THE STATION AS WELL. THE AREAS IN GREEN INDICATE, UH, PARTS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, UH, THAT, THAT ARE GOING TO REMAIN. SO WE DIDN'T ONLY REPLICATE, BUT WE ACTUALLY ARE MAINTAINING ARTIFACTS FROM THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, WHICH I THINK IS ADDS TO THAT STREET LEVEL EXPERIENCE. AND THAT REMEMBRANCE, WHEN YOU ARE ON SIXTH STREET OF THAT ORIGINAL WALK, WILL BE MAINTAINED AND ENHANCED ALONG THAT PATH. UH, THIS SHOWS THE ACCESS. WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN, UH, THE TURNING RADIUSES FOR ALL OF THE CITY VEHICLES THROUGHOUT THE, THE SITE AND THE ALLEYS. AND GOING SPECIFICALLY INTO THE DESIGN ELEMENTS, UH, SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT ARE GOING TO REMAIN. WE HAVE SOME BOARD ON BOARD DETAILING FOR THE CONCRETE STA STAIR RAILINGS THAT'S GOING TO BE RE UH, REIMAGINED WITHIN THE EXISTING, THE NEW BUILDING. UH, WE HAVE STACK BOND, WE HAVE THE PLANTERS, A LOT OF THESE INDIVIDUAL ELEMENTS THAT WE ARE, UH, MAINTAINING OR RELOCATING WITHIN THE NEW SITE. UH, SOME OF THE, UH, THIS IS HIGHLIGHTING ONE OF THE [00:15:01] PLANTERS. THERE ARE MULTIPLE PLANTERS ALONG THAT ROW. I THINK THAT IS REALLY ONE OF THE CONTRIBUTORS TO THE WALKING EXPERIENCE. SO WE'RE PAYING LOTS OF ATTENTION TO KEEPING THAT. AND THAT WILL ALSO GO INTO THE CONSTRUCTION OF PROTECTING SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS IN CONSTRUCTION AS WELL. UH, SOME OF THE STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS WITH THE, THE STRUCTURAL, UM, THE DOUBLE T'S AND HOW THAT'S BEING HELD, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE REMA, UH, REMAIN ON SITE. WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO RELOCATE, UH, ONE OF THOSE AND MAKE A SHELTER, UH, OUT OF THAT STRUCTURE. AND THEN IN THE, THE REAR, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE STACK BOND. WE'RE GOING TO USE STACK BOND WITHIN THE NEW STRUCTURE AND SOME OF THOSE UNIQUE PLANTERS. UH, SOME OF THE SHADOW BOX, UH, FOLDING CONCRETE DETAILING, WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT AGAIN IN THE SAME WAY TO HIGHLIGHT THE ENTRY AND HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE WINDOW STRUCTURES. AND HERE YOU SEE IN THE RENDERINGS, SOME OF THOSE RELO, UH, EITHER RELOCATED OR MAINTAINED PLANTERS AND THE ENTRY STRUCTURE. BUT ON THE LEFT, UH, IN THAT STRUCTURE, WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING A PAVILION AND, AND A POCKET PARK ESSENTIALLY ON SIXTH STREET. SO THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO DEVELOP WITH INFORMATION ABOUT THE ORIGINAL, UH, STRUCTURE, BUT ALSO POTENTIALLY ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT. I THINK THAT IS A COMMUNITY PROCESS, BUT WE HAVE SOME SEEDING AND SOME LANDSCAPE THAT IS GOING TO BUFFER THAT AREA. ON THE, THE LEFT, PARTICULARLY SOME OF THE MATERIALS BEING USED, THE BRI BRI SOLE, THE PLANTERS PAVERS, THE STACK BOND IS A GROUND FACE, UH, STACK BOND, SO IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE PAINTED IN THE FUTURE. REPAINTED, UH, ONE OF OUR SUSTAINABILITY FACTORS, UH, EVERY, ALL OF THE MECHANICAL, ANY MECHANICAL IS GOING TO BE HIDDEN FROM THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE ONE NEW ASPECT IS THE RED FIRE DOORS, UH, FOR THAT. UH, ANOTHER UNIQUE ASPECT IS ON THE GROUND LEVEL. THERE'S A PERFORATED, UH, YOU KNOW, ART PIECE INTEGRATED INTO THE STATION AS PART OF THE ENTRY SEQUENCE SHIELD THAT ALSO SHIELDS ANY OF THE PARKING BELOW THE BUILDING SO THAT YOU DON'T SEE THAT FROM THE STREET. FROM A WATER STANDPOINT, WE HAVE FIVE DEEP WELLS ON SITE. WE'RE VASTLY IMPROVING THE, THE WATER TREATMENT ON SITE, VASTLY IMPROVING THE LANDSCAPE ON SITE. UH, SO CURRENTLY YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT. SO AFTER THIS IS COMPLETED, WE WILL HAVE A MUCH BETTER TREATMENT OF WATER AND CAPTURE OF WATER ON SITE, ENHANCING SOME OF THAT LANDSCAPE ALONG THE ALONG. SIXTH, YOU SEE SOME OF THE DETAILING IN THE STAIRS. YOU SEE HOW THE, THE SHADOW BOX AROUND THE ENTRY IS, UH, ENHANCING SIM IN A SIMILAR WAY TO THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, FOCUSING ON THE ENTRY INTO THE ELEVATORS, AND THEN THAT STAIR ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND THE SHADOW BOX INCREASES OVER THE STAIR ON THE UPPER LEVEL AS WELL TO ENHANCE AND, AND CAPTURE THOSE WINDOWS. SEE, YOU'RE LOOKING TO THE NORTHEAST AT THIS VIEW UP SIX AND TO THE LEFT YOU SEE THAT POCKET PARK WHERE WE'RE REESTABLISHING THAT ENTRY AND RECAPTURING SOME OF THOSE DETAILS THROUGH THE ENTRY. YOU SEE THAT PERFORATED MATERIAL THAT HIDES ANY, UH, VISIBILITY OF FRONT TO THE PARKING LOT, SOME BIKE PARKING, THE FINAL ENTRY, SOME OF THE, THE SIGNAGE WE'RE HOLDING AND CAPTURING, UH, SINGLE LETTERS WITH THE SIGNAGE ON THE BRISA LE. AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING, UH, SOUTH SOUTHEAST. SO THIS IS, THIS IS FROM, UM, FROM JEFFERSON. AND THEN HIGHLIGHTING TO THE, THE LEFT, UH, DOESN'T REALLY CAPTURE THE FULL VIEW UNTIL YOU SEE THE APOLLO ON IT, BUT SINCE THESE ARE TWO APPLICANTS WILL SHOW YOU, GET DEEPER INTO THE APOLLO MURAL IN A MINUTE. AND THIS IS A BIRD'S EYE VIEW FROM MERIDIAN. IF YOU WERE IN BEHIND THE BUILDING. UH, WE ARE NOT, IT IS, THERE WAS A CONSCIOUS EFFORT TO NOT BE THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO TREAT THE BUILDING FROM ALL SIDES. SO WE'RE USING STACK BOND AGAIN IN THE BACK, AND THEN YOU SEE SOME OF THE ACCESS TO THE PARKING BELOW BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THE WHOLE SITE [00:20:01] AND THE FRONT VIEW. SO IT'S JUST GONNA GO RIGHT INTO THE APOLLO MURALS. SINCE THESE ARE ORIGINALLY TWO DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS, UM, WE ARE EXCITED AS A TEAM TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THIS. THE, THE SIZE OF THE APOLLO MURAL HAPPENS TO BE ALMOST EXACTLY THE SIZE OF THIS BUILDING. SO IT, IT WAS ALMOST LIKE IT WAS MEANT TO BE RELOCATED TO THE SITE. UM, SO LOOKING BACK AT THE, THE HISTORY OF JACK STEWART, UH, YOU KNOW, ACCOMPLISHED MURAL ARTISTS, HE ACTUALLY INVENTED NEW TECHNIQUES FOR STAINED GLASS AND, AND MOSAICS. UH, AND I THINK THAT HAS ALLOWED HIS WORK TO REALLY ENDURE AND, UH, BOTH PHYSICALLY, UH, AND VISUALLY, UH, OVER THE TEST TIME. UH, HE WAS A YALE GRADUATE, UH, ALSO WENT TO COLUMBIA. HE'S WORKED IN DIFFERENT, MANY DIFFERENT MEDIUMS, BUT OBVIOUSLY MURAL WAS HIS, HIS HIGHLIGHT. AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, THERE'S MEANING BETWEEN THE A APOLLO AND, UM, RUNNING THE CHARIOT THROUGH THIS SITE AND THE SPACING AND ALL OF THE ORIGINAL SPACING AND THE SIZING WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE. SO THESE, EVEN THOSE, THESE ARE MULTIPLE PIECES, WE'RE ABLE TO SUSPEND IT AS IT AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED. SO IT, IT WILL BE ON THE JEFFERSON SIDE, SO IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE. UH, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT YOU GET NORTH LIGHT VERSUS SOUTH LIGHT, SO IT PROTECTS IT A LITTLE BIT MORE OVER TIME AND WE'RE SUSPENDING IT IN FRONT OF THE SYSTEM SO IT, AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY SUSPENDED. SO WE HAVE A, A FRAME SYSTEM, UH, ESSENTIALLY A PERFORATED BACKDROP TO IT. SO WE GET A, A NICE CLEAN, WE STILL DO NEED TO HAVE SOME WINDOWS ON THAT FACADE FOR THE INTERIOR SPACES, BUT WE PUT THE PERFORATION TO GIVE US A CLEAN SLATE BACKDROP FOR IT. WE STAND IT OFF OF THE, THE WINDOWS, AND THEN WE HAVE A LIGHTING SYSTEM THAT'S GOING TO COME IN FRONT OF THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS SEEN PROPERLY IN THE EVENING. I THINK THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE THE BEST TIME TO SEE IT. IT'S REALLY FANTASTIC IN THIS AND THE ELEVATION OF IT, YOU WILL SEE IT AS YOU DRIVE, UH, DOWN, UH, NEAR THIS, THIS LOCATION. SO IT WILL HAVE THAT ELEVATED EXPERIENCE, THAT FINAL SUNSET VIEW. SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR APPLICATION. I THINK WE, WE ARE EXCITED TO BRING THIS PROJECT, UH, BACK TO LIFE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF EFFORT GONE WITH THE BOARD AND THE PAST TO, UH, MAKE TWEAKS IN ADDITIONS TO THIS. THEY WERE MADE BOTH IN THE LANDSCAPE. WE, WE REVISED THE RAILING DETAIL, WE INCORPORATED SOME OF THOSE ORIGINAL MATERIALS AND THEN CAPTURING SOME OF THOSE ORIGINAL BUILDING ELEMENTS WERE ALL THINGS THAT YOU ALL BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. WE AND THE CITY IMPLEMENTED AND PROUD OF THE OUTCOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, ARE THERE ANY, WELL BEFORE THERE ARE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, I THINK THERE'S A, A COMMENT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT WILL AMPLIFY THE APPLICATION FOR US, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I, I'VE CLEARED THIS WITH STAFF. I'D JUST LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A LITTLE PRESENTATION ON, UH, JACK STEWART'S, UH, UH, APOLLO MURAL APOLLO PULLING HIS SON, DRIVING HIS SON CHARIOT ACROSS THE SKY ON THE RIGHT. AND YOU, YOU'LL SEE IMAGES AS IN THIS, IN MY, UH, WHEN I GET INTO THE, UH, MEDIA PRESENTATION, A SHORT MEDIA PRESENTATION. UH, ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS LATONIA AND HER TWINS, UH, ARTEMIS AND APOLLO, AND THEN, UH, TO THE LEFT OF THEM, THEN YOU SEE APOLLO RIDING HIS SON CHARIOT, UH, TO SEE HIS SISTER, UH, THE GODDESS, UH, UH, UH, ARMENIS, UH, DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? ARTEMIS? ARTEMIS. ARTEMIS, UH, ARTEMIS IS THE GODDESS OF THE MOON WOMEN. SHE WAS, UH, FIERCELY INDEPENDENT, UH, CELEBRATED A LIFE OF CHASTITY. UH, AND, UH, IT REALLY TELLS QUITE A STORY. UH, JACK STEWART, UH, AS WAS MENTIONED, AN EDUCATOR, A SCHOLAR, A MURALIST, A PAINTER, UH, AN AUTHOR. UH, HIS ONE OF HIS BOOKS, UH, GRAFFITI KINGS, RELEASED IN THE SEVENTIES IS, UH, IS STILL IN REPRINT AND IT'S BECOME, UH, THE BIBLE TO PEOPLE, UH, WHO, WHO APPRECIATE, UH, THAT, UH, GRAFFITI. UM, AND THE PRESENTATION I'M ABOUT TO, THAT THAT'LL APPEAR IN A FEW MOMENTS. UH, IS, UH, SCOTT, IT'S YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEELING AT THIS POINT? HOLD ON, PLEASE. , I RECOGNIZE THAT VOICE. UH, [00:25:02] THE, THE PRESENTATION IS, UH, A, UH, CONVERSATION. ACTUALLY IT WAS A COMMITTEE, COMMITTEE MEETING, MEETING, UH, A COMMITTEE MEETING OF THE GEO BOND OVERSIGHT ADVISORY COMMITTEE FROM 2023 OF CITY OFFICIALS. UH, WE HAVE, UH, THE, THE CHAIRWOMAN KA, KAREN REVO, UH, THE FORMER FIRE CHIEF VIRGIL FERNANDEZ, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, MARIA HERNANDEZ, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S COORDINATOR, LAUREN FERTEL MAKES, UH, AN APPEARANCE. AND SCOTT NEEDLEMAN FORMERLY, UH, WHO SERVED ON THE, UH, GEO BOND COMMITTEE. NOW, HE'S A PLANNING BOARD MEMBER. HE, UH, ALSO IS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND, AND ON A SIDE NOTE, UH, WE HAPPEN TO SHARE THE SAME BIRTHDAY. SO, UH, PJ IF YOU CAN, UH, ROLL, ROLL THAT PRESENTATION LIST. YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE US HANGING WHEN YOUR BIRTHDAY IS. WELL, YOU'LL FIND OUT. I'LL FIND OUT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DON'T, WHAT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEELING AT THIS POINT? WELL, I THINK YOU, HERE, THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO A NEW STATE-OF-THE-ART FIRE STATION GOING IN, AND THEN THERE'S THE PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T WANNA SEE THE EXISTING BUILDING GO AWAY. SO, STILL MIXED. YOU KNOW, IT MAY CHANGE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE AT THE JULY HPB MEETING, THE FIRE STATION IS GOING IN FRONT AGAIN FOR THE MURAL THAT'S GONNA GO ON THE, I GUESS IT'S THE WEST ELEVATION. AND I DID SEE A RENDERING OF THAT, AND IT REALLY LOOKS, I MEAN, IT REALLY, REALLY LOOKS NICE AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A, A, A TERRIFIC ADDITION TO THE FIRE STATION. AND I THINK THAT WILL, UH, HOPEFULLY GET SOME PEOPLE TO, TO MAYBE, MAYBE LESSEN THEIR ANIMOSITY TOWARDS WHAT'S HAPPENING. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'RE EQUALLY AS EXCITED. I, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH MITCH, AND, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE OUTER SHELL OF THE BUILDING CAN ACCOMMODATE ANYTHING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS. I'M GLAD I KNOW HE, HE BROUGHT IT UP AND AT ONE TIME, I, I THINK HE THOUGHT IT, IT MAY HAVE BEEN TAKEN AS A JOKE, BUT WE WERE, WE WERE PRETTY SERIOUS ABOUT INCLUDING IT AS PART OF THE STATION. AND, UH, AND THEN MARIA GOT TO WORK. I THINK IT'LL BE A, A GOOD ADDITION AND I THINK IT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN BE, UH, PROUD OF. MARIA, YOU WANNA JUST TELL 'EM OR SOMEBODY TELL 'EM JUST IN CASE? SURE. I CAN, I CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. I MEAN, MITCH NOVIK AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS MURAL SINCE WE STARTED THE CONVENTION CENTER WAY BACK IN LIKE 2014 OR 15. IT'S CALLED THE APOLLO MURAL. AND IT IS THE GOD OF, I THINK IT WAS THE GOD OF FIRE OR, OR , IRONICALLY, OR, OR THE SUN OR SOMETHING. BUT THE MURAL WAS ON A HISTORIC BUILDING THAT, THAT ANA PURCHASED FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER. IT GOT TAKEN DOWN AND IT WAS GONNA BE DISCARDED, BUT THE DEVELOPER KEPT IT AND HAS DONATED IT TO THE CITY AND HAS ALSO AGREED TO PAY THE MAJORITY OF THE COSTS, IF NOT ALL OF THE COSTS, TO ACTUALLY REFURBISH IT AND PUT IT SOMEWHERE. SO FOR YEARS WE LOOKED FOR A PLACE, AND IT'S HUGE. I MEAN, IT, IT DOESN'T JUST FIT ANYWHERE. IT'S A HUNDRED FEET LONG AND, AND 17 FOOT TALL. AND WE LOOKED AND LOOKED AND COULDN'T FIND ANY PLACE. AND THEN I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER HOW IT WAS THAT WE THOUGHT, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE FIRE STATION ? AND LO AND BEHOLD, YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE, IT'S IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT IS A HISTORIC MURAL. AND THE ARTIST WAS KNOWN BY MITCH, AND THE WIDOW OF THE ARTIST IS A VERY NICE LADY THAT WANTED THIS THING TO GET SAVED. AND SO ROSA LOWINGER, WHO IS THE CONSERVATOR, WAS ABLE TO REFURBISH IT OFFSITE. AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SAVE THIS THING AND, AND PUT IT ON THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING. AND IRONICALLY ENOUGH, , IT'S GONNA BE ON THE FACADE THAT IS FACING ONE OF MITCH NOVAK'S BUILDINGS. I MEAN, IT'S CRAZY THAT IT EVEN ENDED UP THERE, YOU KNOW, BUT IT JUST DID. AND, AND, AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT LOVED IT WHEN WE SHOWED IT TO THEM. SO IT'S A WIN-WIN. IT'S A, IT'S REALLY A COMMUNITY WIN-WIN THE PRESERVATIONIST WIN-WIN THE ART, PEOPLE WIN IT, IT'S A WIN FOR EVERYBODY. SO WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE MADE IT HAPPEN. AND IT TOOK A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS, TOURISM CULTURE, DAVID'S DEPARTMENT. I KNOW THAT COLETTE SATCHEL HAS STRUGGLED WITH THIS THING STRUCTURALLY TO PUT IT ON THE BUILDING AND, AND GET IT UP THERE, BUT, UM, IT'S GONNA GO IN FRONT OF HPB, SO LET'S SEE WHAT THEY THINK. BUT IT'S REALLY A, IT'S A GREAT STORY ONCE IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL PUT TOGETHER. AND I THINK I SAW LAUREN, WERE YOU TRYING TO SHOW US A PICTURE OF IT? ? I, COLETTE AND I MET WITH MITCH NOVIK YESTERDAY JUST TO TOUCH BASE ABOUT IT. IT IS A VERY COOL STORY, AND IT IS, IT IS TO SEE IT AT, I LOVE IT THAT WE TOGETHER PRESERVE SOME OF THESE KIND OF THINGS. MR. VO, NOT TO BEAT UP ON THIS ANYMORE, BUT DID GOOGLE HIM REAL QUICK, AND HE'S BEEN RECOGNIZED AS A GOD OF ARCHERY MUSIC AND DANCE, TRUTH AND PROPHECY, HEALING AND DISEASE, WHICH I THINK IS PRETTY APPROPRIATE. THE SUN OF LIGHT [00:30:01] POETRY AND MORE. THAT'S OH, MY NO WRONG GUY. THAT JUST SUMS UP EVERYBODY IN MIAMI BEACH. . THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SCOTT, IT'S YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEELING AT THIS POINT? WELL, I THINK YOU, HERE, THERE'S PLENTY, PJ THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO, UM, I THINK IF WE, I THINK THAT KIND OF CONCLUDED THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MAYBE I, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ONE. I DEFINITELY HAD ONE, BUT, UM, GO AHEAD, MITCH. TWO QUESTIONS. UH, DAVID, YOU MENTIONED YOU HAD THE PERMIT IN HAND. IS THAT PERMIT STILL, UH, ACTIVE? WE HAVE REINSTATED THE BUILDING PERMITS AND THEIR PERMITS. OKAY, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. AND, UM, THE ARCHITECT, YOU'VE MENTIONED A A FEW TIMES YOU'RE MAINTAINING AND RELOCATING. UH, DOES THAT IMPLY REPLICATION? UH, SOME, SOME ELEMENTS ARE, UM, KEPT IN PLACE? UH, THE ENTRY PIECE YES, YES. IS, IS BEING RELOCATED. SO, UH, THE PLANTERS ARE BEING KEPT PREDOMINANTLY IN PLACE. A COUPLE, UH, WHERE WE ARE ADDING NEW PLANTERS, WE'RE GOING TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL. GOTCHA. OKAY, THANKS. READY, JOHN. THANK YOU. WELL, I'M THE ONLY MEMBER OF THIS BOARD WAS THERE IN 2022 THAT VOTED FOR THIS PROPOSAL. I THOUGHT IT WAS FABULOUS THEN. I THINK IT'S FABULOUS NOW. AND I CERTAINLY HOPE THE, OUR FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS HERE AGREE. UM, WE'RE FOUR YEARS BEHIND, UM, AND PROBABLY A LOT OF DOLLARS, BUT I, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT LOSING THE REC CENTER. AND REMEMBER THERE WAS A 21ST STREET REC CENTER THAT WAS TAKEN DOWN SO THAT WE COULD BUILD A BALLROOM FOR THE, UH, FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER. AND ALL OF THOSE SERVICES GOT RELOCATED. EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH WHERE THEY ARE NOW. AND THE SAME THING IS GONNA HAPPEN HERE. AND I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO REALIZE THAT YES, THINGS CAN'T HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY, BUT THEY WILL HAPPEN IN THE LONG RUN AND EVERYTHING WILL BE BETTER. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, ELIZABETH, I WAS JUST GONNA CONTINUE. JOHN'S ASK QUESTION, WOULD YOU MIND GOING OVER AGAIN, WHICH PIECES ARE, UM, GOING, ARE GOING TO BE MAINTAINED EXACTLY IN THE SAME PLACE AND WHICH ARE GOING TO BE RELOCATED AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE REPLICATED? 'CAUSE THERE'S, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING. IT'S JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING. CORRECT. IF THEY COULD BRING BACK UP THE PRESENTATION. JUST GIMME A SECOND TO MOVE BACK. OKAY. SO THE, THE PIECE ON THE RIGHT IS BEING MAINTAINED, THAT'S EXISTING. CAN YOU, CAN YOU USE YOUR CURSOR ON THE COMPUTER TO HELP? YEAH, JUST POINT TO IT. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. PERFECT. THANK YOU. SO THIS, THIS PIECE WOULD BE EXISTING TO REMAIN, UH, PLANTERS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CENTER. THOSE ARE, THOSE WOULD BE NEW. SO THOSE ARE NOT HIGHLIGHTED. UH, AND THEN THIS IS A PLANTER TO REMAIN THESE, THESE PLANTERS REMAIN AS WELL. THIS PIECE IS, THE VERTICAL PIECE IS RELO RELOCATED. AND WOULD YOU SHOW US WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO ON A RENDERING? THIS, THIS IS HERE, THIS PIECE SO THAT THE, THE VERTICAL PIECE? YEAH. SO, UM, I'M SORRY, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME. CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE THE PIECE IS IN THE SITE? THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN? UM, I THINK THE CONFUSION IS THAT THIS IS THE PROPOSED COULD YOU GO BACK? OH, THIS IS THE PRO. OH, I THOUGHT THIS, THIS WAS THE EXISTING, OKAY. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE YES. YEAH. AND SO THIS IS THE, THE PROPO, THIS IS THE, SORRY, THE EXISTING. UM, AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS SEE THE WHERE THESE RED, THAT'S WHERE THEY, THAT PIECE EXISTS NOW. SO THAT CANOPY EXISTS IN THIS LOCATION NOW. SO WE'RE SIMPLY TAKING IT FROM THAT PIECE AND RELOCATING TO THIS. SO THAT FAR SHOW THE PHOTO. OKAY, LET'S SEE. NO, NOW I, OKAY, LET'S SEE. NOW I UNDERSTANDS. JUST MOVING TO THIS SIDE. OKAY, THERE YOU GO. SO TO THE, THE LEFT, THIS, UH, THE PLANTERS [00:35:01] THAT ARE BEING MAINTAINED ARE JUST TO THE LEFT OF THAT. UM, IT, IT'S JUST THIS MADE A LOT MORE SENSE TO JUST MOVE IT TO IN BETWEEN THE PLANTERS. AND THEN IT CAN BE THAT ESSENTIALLY PAVILION FOR THAT POCKET PARK PIECE. THANK YOU. AND ONE MORE QUESTION. COULD YOU GO OVER THE DETAIL OF THE LIGHTING ABOVE THE MURAL? OKAY. YES. OKAY. SO THIS, THIS IS A DETAIL OF THAT LIGHTING. SO THE, THE LIGHTING WOULD WOULD TO, TO GET CONSISTENCY WITH IT AND REALLY HIGHLIGHT JUST THE, THE MURAL. IT'S COMING DIRECTLY OFF OF THE BUILDING WITH STANCHIONS AND THEN PROJECTING BACK, UH, CONSISTENTLY TO THE MURAL FROM THE FACE OF THE BUILDING. SO FROM THE TOP, IT WOULD COME OUT AND THEN COME ACROSS THE MURAL FROM THE TOP. HOW FAR OUT ARE THOSE ELEMENTS STICKING IN FRONT OF THE SUPPORT, UM, WALL ELEMENT? YEP. KNOW THAT I, I I WOULD SAY APPROXIMATELY, APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET. OKAY. NO, 'CAUSE UH, IN, IN THE, THE VIDEO THAT MITCH SHOWED OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, THERE IS LIKE A FRAME ON THE TOP THAT THERE WAS LIKE A GAP, A RECESSED AREA BETWEEN THE FRAME AND THE MURAL, WHICH IF YOU COULD REPRODUCE THE SAME DETAIL WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO PUT THE LIGHTING. AND THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE THOSE ELEMENTS STICKING IN FRONT OF THE MURAL. I'M NOT A LIGHTING DESIGN EX EXPERT, BUT I'VE SEEN THINGS DONE THIS WAY, AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HIDE ALL THAT MASK THAT MAY BE CREATED BY HAVING THE LIGHT STICKING OUT. OKAY. WE'LL CERTAINLY DIG INTO THE DETAILS FOR IT. AND I THINK OUR, UH, OUR MAIN, MAIN CONCERN, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESENT IT LIKE PROPERLY SO THAT THE MOSAIC PIECES AT, AT THE EVENING, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT LIGHT COMES OUT FAR ENOUGH THAT THEY DON'T CREATE SUCH A SHADOW THAT IT TAKES AWAY FROM THAT. BUT WE WILL ABSOLUTELY DIG INTO THE DETAILS OF THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MITCH, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. UH, AND THEN, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE ADVISORY IN NATURE. UH, SO WHAT IS YOUR TIMEFRAME, UH, EVEN IF WE WERE TO VOTE THIS DOWN OR, UH, OF COURSE APPROVE IT WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL? IT WOULD DELAY IT A LITTLE BIT. UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL. WE ARE LOOKING AT COMMENCING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE TEMPORARY DAYCARE FACILITY THIS SUMMER. UH, AND COMMENCING CONSTRUCTION AT THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY SITE END OF THIS YEAR, BEGINNING OF NEXT, THAT WOULD BE THE DEMOLITION, YEAH. OF, OF THE FACILITY. AND IN TERMS OF THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW FACILITY, IT'S ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. ONCE WE STARTED THE SOUTH SHORE SITE, IT'S ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. OKAY. SO WE'RE TALKING SOMETIME IN 2028. 2028. OKAY. UH, A QUESTION REGARDING, UH, IF THE MURAL SHOULD NEED SERVICING, UH, NOT TO INTERFERE WITH THE FIRE, UH, EQUIPMENT, UH, THE VEHICLES THAT WOULD LIKELY BE TRANS TRANSVERSING, UH, BELOW, HOW, HOW, HOW WILL THAT BE PERFORMED? IS THERE ALLEGE OR WILL IT BE SOMEBODY REPELLING OR, UM, WELL, SO THIS, THIS STATION, TWO, TWO FACTORS. THE APPARATUS SPACE HAVE DOORS ON BOTH SIDES, SO THEIR DRIVE THROUGH, UH, WHICH IS A REAL ADVANTAGE FOR THE DEPARTMENT, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS THEM TO EXIT EITHER SIDE. SO IF YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY ACCESS ONE, YOU CAN ACCESS IT FROM THE, THE RAMP, AND THE RAMP IS LEVEL AT THAT POINT. SO YOU COME, THE APPARATUS CAN COME OUT OF THE BAYS AND FULLY SIT ON THE APRON, UM, WITHOUT, UH, SIGNIFICANT SLOPE. SO VICE VERSA, IF YOU NEED TO HAVE A LIFT TO ACCESS THE MURAL, YOU HAVE A FLAT SURFACE TO DO SO. AND, AND THE GARAGE, UH, OR, OR THE, UH, THAT FACILITY, IT, IT'S STRAIGHT THROUGH. THERE'S NO DEMISING WALL BETWEEN THEM. CORRECT. SO I IMAGINE THAT THE VEHICLES WOULD ENTER ON MERIDIAN AND EXIT JEFFERSON, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE. RIGHT. UH, THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO GO EITHER DIRECTION, BUT THAT, THAT IS THE, THE PREFERRED TURNOUT TIME, YOU KNOW, USING THE LIGHT AND BEING ABLE TO MOVE EITHER DIRECTION. OKAY. I I, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IF, IF ANYONE'S AVAILABLE, TAKE THIS BACK THERE. WHAT'S THAT? I CAN'T RECALL. YES, SIR. GOOD MORNING. HEY, GOOD MORNING, [00:40:01] CHIEF. THE, TELL US ABOUT THE NEW, UH, CYCLE LANE THAT WAS ADDED TO JEFFERSON AVENUE. HOW HAS THAT IMPACTED YOU IF, IF IT HAS IMPACTED YOUR DEPARTMENT AT ALL? UM, GOOD MORNING. UM, CHAIR, MADAM CHAIR AND FIRE CHIEF DEO. SO THE, THE BIKE LANE ACROSS THE STREET FROM CURRENT STATION ONE HAS MADE IT QUITE CHALLENGING FOR OUR MEMBERS TO DO A NORTHBOUND OR SOUTHBOUND, UM, EXIT. AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH JOSE FROM TRANSPORTATION TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, AT LEAST THE BALLARDS IN FRONT OF THE FIRE STATION ARE NOT THERE, SO WE'RE NOT GOING OVER A 80,000 POUND TRUCK AND DESTROYING OUR AXLES. UM, AS FAR AS THE REST OF THE CITY, IT IS, IT'S CHALLENGING IN THE SENSE THAT, UM, THE BIKERS ARE NOT IN THE BIKE LANE LIKE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. SO IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE AS TO WHY IT IS THAT WE HAVE DEDICATED BIKE LANES. BUT AS FAR AS OPERATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, THAT ASPECT WHERE, ALL RIGHT. UM, SO THE, HAS THERE BEEN ANY TALK OF NARROWING THE CYCLE LANE SO YOUR TRUCKS CAN, UH, NOT, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, AT LEAST NOT THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED TO ME. RIGHT. SO, SO IT, IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT, UH, THOSE SPOTS THAT, UH, AS WAS MENTIONED, MY, UH, RESIDENTS ENJOY TODAY. THEY'RE GONNA BE LOSING THEM, UH, UH, WELL, IN, IN THE LAST, WAIT, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT DONE. UH, UNLESS THE RADIUS, UH, COULD BE CREATED WITHIN THE SETBACK OF THE PROPERTY TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOUR VEHICLES TO, UH, THREE LANES. SO, SO THE LAST DESIGN THAT I'D SAW BEFORE WE FLIP FLOPPED TO THE OTHER LOCATION, IT DIDN'T HAVE A BIKE LANE AND THERE WAS NO, UM, BIKE LANE AS FAR AS THE PLANS GO, BECAUSE THEN YES, YOU ARE RIGHT, IT WILL HAVE TO ELIMINATE THE PARKING ACROSS THE STREET IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE ONE OR THE OTHER. UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, WE JUST CAN'T, WE DON'T HAVE THAT IT'S A HUNDRED FOOT LADDER BEFORE IT EXITS OUT, YOU KNOW, 20 FOOT LANES. YEAH. WHAT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY, UH, BEING IT IS, UH, PUBLIC, UH, CITY PROPERTY, GOVERNMENT PROPERTY OF ALTERING AND MODIFYING THE RADIO OF THAT TURN TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE VEHICLES TO, UH, ENTER AND EXIT? WE CAN ABSOLUTELY LOOK INTO THAT. WE ALREADY HAVE A VERY WIDE DRIVEWAY THAT GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY. UM, BUT I THINK THE EASIER SOLUTION IS TO JUST FIGURE OUT HOW TO NOT PUT IN THOSE BARRIERS ON THE BIKE LANE SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE, EVEN IF IT'S JUST FOR THAT STRETCH NEXT TO THE FIRE STATION. OKAY. SO, SO STATE, SO STATE STATUTE REGARDLESS, UM, REQUIRES THAT THE 20 FEET IN FRONT OF THE FIRE STATION HAS NO PARKING REGARDLESS. SO REGARDLESS, MY, MY PRIORITY WAS ALWAYS THAT WHATEVER DISPLACEMENT OF PARKING IS BEING DONE, THAT WE ACCOMMODATE IT AT LEAST IN A DIFFERENT AREA, RN AREA, AND IN FULL TRANSPARENCY, THERE WILL BE SOME PARKING LOSS ON THE STREET. THE ADVANTAGE THAT THIS PLAN HAS IS THAT UNDER THE CURRENT FIRE STATION ONE, ALL OF THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS PLAN PROVIDES PARKING WITHIN THE SITE SO THAT WE FREE UP THAT SPACE ON, ON THE STREET. HOW MANY SPOTS WILL BE ON SITE? APPROXIMATELY 30, 35, 34, 34 SPACES. HOW MANY ARE UTILIZED AT ANY GIVEN? 12. SO 12 IS FOR A SHIFT, AND THEN IN THE MORNING WE JUST HAVE A SLIGHT, MAYBE 20, 30 MINUTE OVERLAP WITH THE OTHER CREWS COMING IN. UM, SO 24, WOULD IT BE INAPPROPRIATE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE HERE FOR THOSE PROPERTIES, UH, SURROUNDING THE STATION THAT SHOULD LOSE, UH, THE STREET PARKING TO BE AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO PERHAPS, UH, PARK ON SITE AT THE FACILITY? THE NEW FACILITY? I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO ANY DISCUSSION THAT WILL HELP THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND ACCOMMODATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE ON THIS SITE IS BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE, OF THE FACILITY, WE WANNA PROTECT THOSE VEHICLES AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND, AND INTERMINGLING THEM MAKES THAT A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, RANDY? UH, YEAH. COULD YOU PUT THE ELEVATION OF THE MURAL ON THE NEW BUILDING UP AGAIN, PLEASE PREFER THE [00:45:01] DATE. OKAY. I, I THOUGHT I SAW IT WHERE YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE ALL THE WINDOWS BEHIND IT AND EVERYTHING. IS THERE NO WAY TO CREATE A SCREEN THAT'S MORE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE ORIGINAL FLAT? I, MY CONCERN IS SEVERAL THAT YOU JUST TURN THE LIGHTS ON AT NIGHTTIME IN THE ROOMS, AND THAT'S GONNA COMPLETELY DISTORT THE LOOK OF THE, THE MURAL UNLESS THE LIGHTING OVERWHELMS IT ON THE OUTSIDE. UM, AND THE SCREENING TODAY, YOU CAN GET SO MANY OPTIONS OF SCREENING. THIS LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN'T, I, I THOUGHT I SAW ONE OF YOUR ELEVATIONS THAT LOOKED LIKE YOU ACTUALLY COULD SEE ALL THE WINDOW ACTIVITY BEHIND IT, WHICH IS NOT IN CHARACTER WITH A MURAL. IT WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO BE A FLOATING MURAL IN FRONT OF A WINDOWED BUILDING. AND I'M CONCERNED IT HICKS ON A WHOLE DIFFERENT CHARACTER IN REALITY VERSUS ARTISTIC. UM, THERE, YOU JUST PASSED IT BACK. I, I, I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK ONE TO THE, OH, THERE WAS ONE WHERE YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE ALL THE WINDOWS AND EVERYTHING BEHIND THE MURAL. I, AND I'M SURPRISED YOU CAN'T GET A SCREEN THAT IS MORE SO THE, THAT'S JUST A PUNCH HOLE SCREEN PUNCH METAL. RIGHT? RIGHT. WE COULD, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S NOT A FINAL, YOU KNOW, SELECTION. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY CON CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT. IT IS BALANCING HAVING, HAVING NATURAL LIGHT INTO THOSE WINDOWS, BUT MAYBE THERE'S POTENTIALLY A SCREEN THAT THE OPENINGS ARE MORE, YOU KNOW, UP OR LIKE, MAYBE DIRECTIONAL. SO WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT. OKAY. I MEAN, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF SCREENS WHERE YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE THROUGH IT. THE, THE SURFACE OF THE SCREEN TAKES OVER YOUR EYE VERSUS WHAT'S BEHIND THE SCREEN. RIGHT. YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT THOUGH, LIKE THE, THE LIGHT CONDITIONS, UH, WE WANNA PUT A LOT OF LIGHT IN FRONT OF IT. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR A LOT OF THAT, THOSE SAME REASONS. UH, SO WE REALLY WANNA PROJECT IN FRONT OF IT. UM, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE'LL ANALYZE AND, AND LOOK EVEN ONSITE TO, TO, YOU KNOW, FINALLY MAKE A FINAL SELECTION. BUT I, I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD COMMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, CAN YOU PUT THE SITE PLAN UP AGAIN? THE, THE NEW SITE PLAN? I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT VERY CLEARLY. IT'S KIND OF A GRAPHIC, UM, YEAH, THAT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND. WHERE'S THE VEST POCKET PARK? I, I DON'T SEE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PLAN WELL ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU SAY THERE'S A PARK. I DON'T. OKAY. SO, SO THESE GREEN AREAS, UM, YOU HAVE THE, WE'VE PUSHED THE STATION BACK AS FAR FAR AS WE CAN, AND WE'VE TUCKED THE, THE RAMPS BACK. UH, SO WHERE YOU COME OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE DOORS, YOU HAVE SOME SPACE, AND THEN YOU KIND OF PUSH BACK TO GET A NARROWING OF THOSE RAMPS AS WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GET TO JEFFERSON AND MERIDIAN. SO THAT OPENS UP SOME GREEN SPACE ON THE CORNERS ON EACH SIDE. SO THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE'RE, UH, PUTTING A LOT OF EMPHASIS INTO THE PLANTINGS TO BUFFER THE, THE RAMPING ALSO TO GIVE SOME BACKDROP TO THOSE PLANTERS AND WHERE WE'RE CREATING THAT NEW INSTALLATION IN THE FRONT. UH, IT IS JUST, IT'S A LITTLE DECEIVING WHEN YOU SAY IT'S A VEST, POCKET PARK, WHEN I CONSIDER JUST TO BE BASICALLY LANDSCAPING AROUND THE BUILDING, IT'S NOT A PARK YOU WOULD GO TO. THERE'S NO GRASS. IT, YOUR, YOUR LANDSCAPING ON YOUR RENDERINGS IS EXTREMELY DENSE. YEAH. THE TERM, THE TERM POCKET PARK IS MORE OF A URBAN TERM FOR, IT DOES HAVE SEATING, IT DOES HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME ATTRACTION TO IT. BUT IT WOULD BE MORE OF A RESPITE, A LONG SIXTH THAN A, A DESTINATION, JUST A SIDE PLACE TO SIT OFF THE SIDEWALK. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THAT IT? YEP. OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU, LINDSEY. WELL, I THINK MY QUESTION WAS GONNA BE FOR CHIEF, BUT SHE HAS STEPPED OUT, SO, UM, SHE'S COMING BACK. OKAY. UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS MY QUESTION AND, AND ERIC, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS OR NOT. I MEAN, ARE, ARE, IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAPPY AND READY TO GO WITH THIS? I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S HONESTLY MY BIGGEST CONCERN AT THIS POINT. HI, GOOD MORNING. . UH, ERIC IS REPRESENTING THE MIND BEACH FIREFIGHTERS, THAT UNION, I COULD TELL YOU AS FAR AS THE, THE UNION BODY, ALL OUR FIREFIGHTERS WERE ECSTATIC THAT THE COMMISSION VOTED UNANIMOUSLY, UH, TO MOVE THIS, UH, FORWARD. SO I CAN SAY ON, ON BEHALF OF OUR MEMBERSHIP. ABSOLUTELY. AND, UH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S VERY BEAUTIFUL. ALSO, MITCH, THANK YOU FOR PROMOTING THE APOLLO MURAL. UH, OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S VERY FITTING THAT IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, LAND AT THE FIRE STATION. APOLLO BEING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SON GOD, THE GOD OF MEDICINE. AND, UH, I HAVE TO TAKE A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE. I HAVE TO, THIS IS MY DOG. HIS, HIS NAME IS APOLLO . SO EVEN THOUGH I'M AWAY AWAY FROM HIM FOR 24 HOURS, UH, I'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IDEA OF HIM, YOU KNOW, UH, AT THE FIRE STATION. SO THANK YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, NOT LETTING THAT AMAZING PIECE OF ARTWORK, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST GET THROWN AWAY. SO WE'RE, AS A MEMBERSHIP, VERY EXCITED TO SEE IT. AND SO, CHIEF, MY QUESTION, MY QUESTION, SORRY, I WAS IN THE BATHROOM. I COULDN'T , HOW DARE YOU. I KNOW. YOU KNOW, UM, NO, MY QUESTION WAS, WAS REALLY, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GUYS HAPPY WITH WHERE WE ARE WITH THE DESIGN AND THE [00:50:01] STRUCTURE OF IT AND ALL THAT? I KNOW WE'VE BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME FOR THIS. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW WHERE YOU GUYS STAND. NO, ABSOLUTELY. AND IT, IT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO CIRCLE BACK AND GET THIS PROJECT, UH, GOING. UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN HAVE A, A NEW HOME. AND I AM A TOTAL FAN OF THE APOLLO. I'VE BEEN LIKE, OH, MAYBE WE CAN HAVE LIKE T-SHIRTS AND IT CAN BE, BUT I'LL PUSH IT. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, MITCH, ANOTHER QUESTION. YEAH. FOR THE ARCHITECT, UH, THE LIGHTING THAT'LL BE PROJECTED ONTO THE, UH, MURAL, UH, WHAT'S THE KELVIN TEMPERATURE? THAT'S MY PET PEEVE AS MY COLLEAGUES, UH, ARE BEGINNING TO REALIZE GOING STRAIGHT TO THE TECHNICAL. UM, YEAH, LIKE BACK TO, YEAH, 3,500. UH, SO THAT, THAT DEFINITELY, IT, IT WILL BE, IT WILL BE, UM, NOT JUST GENERAL LIGHTING. IT WILL BE TREATED AS A MUSEUM PIECE. SO WE'LL, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, AT THAT DIRECTLY. UH, SO IT, OKAY. YEAH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN WE TELL THE LIGHTING DESIGNER, LIKE IT'S NOT DESIGNED TO BE BUILDING LIGHTING. IT'S DESIGNED TO BE, TO BRING OUT THE COLORS OF THE PIECE. OKAY. AS LONG AS, UH, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT. I THINK 35 COULD BE APPROPRIATE OR LESS. UH, CERTAINLY NOT MORE, UH, THAN 3,500, BUT I DIDN'T SAY 4,000. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NO, THAT'S, IT IS A VERY RELEVANT PIECE. UH, YEAH. PART OF THE, IT CAN LOOK COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IN, IN THE DIFFERENT LIGHT. YEAH. UM, I HAD, UH, ONE LAST QUESTION. I WAS GONNA FOLLOW UP ON RANDY'S. CAN YOU PUT THE SECTION UP WITH THE MURAL? UM, RANDY'S QUESTION, JUST WHERE THE, UM, 'CAUSE YOU HAD TWO SCALES IN THAT SECTION. YOU HAD A CLOSEUP AND A YEAH. SO ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THE PERFORATED SCREEN, IT'S NOT, I GUESS THAT YOU, IT'S A HALF INCH PERFORATED METAL. SO THAT MEANS HOW FAR ARE THE PERFORATIONS FROM ONE ANOTHER? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT THAT? UM, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT CONDITIONS WITH THAT. UM, YOU HAVE THE SIZE OF THE HOLES, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE SIZE OF THE SPACING BETWEEN THEM. EXACTLY. RIGHT. SO THE SPACING BETWEEN THEM IS WHAT I'M ASKING ABOUT. YEAH, I, I DON'T WANNA MISSPEAK ON THAT. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THAT, THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN THE HALF INCH. SO IF IT'S HALF INCH, THEN IT'S QUARTER INCH BETWEEN, UH, JUST DEPENDING ON THE PUNCH APPARATUS. SO IT'S MORE DARK THAN, I MEAN MORE, UH, OPEN THAN, LIKE IS THE, IS THE SHEET THAT'S THE BACK BACKGROUND OF THE MURAL, LIKE 50% TRANSPARENT BASED ON THE, BASED ON THE COMMENTS TODAY, I, I, I THINK WE'LL REEVALUATE THE HALF INCH AND, UH, REDUCE THAT YEAH. TO, TO A SMALLER, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE CONDITIONS. SO I, GOOD IDEA. I THINK BASED ON THE COMMENTS, WE'LL REEVALUATE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I I DO THINK THAT ALSO FOR HEAT GAIN, I MEAN, IT COULD ALSO ACT AS IF IT'S ON THE WEST F SIDE. IT COULD CERTAINLY BE VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD HELP THOSE, THOSE OFFICES BEHIND IT NOT GAIN HEAT IN THE AFTERNOON WHEN THERE'S, WHEN IT'S THE HOTTEST AND THE BRIGHTEST SUN AB. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. I HAD ONE, ONE OTHER QUESTION. UH, THIS IS, BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THIS IS, YOU SAID TWO APPLICATIONS. I'M NOT SURE THAT'S ACTUALLY ACCURATE. SO I WAS GONNA ACT, I WAS GONNA SEE ORIGINALLY TWO I I UNDERSTAND, BUT I WAS JUST MAKING SURE THAT NOW IT IS ONE. AND IN THE ORDER, I WAS GONNA JUST MAKE SURE THAT IN THE ORDER THE MURAL IS SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED, IT'S NOT, I JUST SEE THE WORD MURAL. I DIDN'T SEE IN THE ORDER ITSELF OR THE, OR IT SAYS THE MURALS. UM, SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER IT SHOULD ACTUALLY ARTICULATE THE MURAL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YES, YES. IT SHOULD. LEMME MAKE SURE IT'S ON. YEAH, IT'S ON PAGE TWO OF SIX OF, OF OUR, OF OUR ORDER. UH, D UH, 1D. YES, YES. I'LL TAKE A LOOK AND SEE. I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE PRIOR ORDER AND THE MURAL. OKAY. AND SEE IF WE'RE MISSING ANYTHING. YEAH. AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW BEFORE WE FINALIZE THE APPROVAL OF THIS WITH THIS APPLICATION. PERFECT. ALRIGHT. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, YEAH. 'CAUSE WE'VE SPENT SO MUCH TIME ON A VERY SPECIFIC MURAL THAT WAS SAVED, THANKS TO A VERY SPECIFIC HUMAN ON MAY 8TH BIRTHDAY. UM, SO, UH, WITH THAT, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. ARE THERE ANY DISCLOSURES? UH, BOARD DISCLOSURES? DISCLOSURES? DISCLOSURES? I'LL DISCLOSE THAT. I WAS ALSO, I WAS HERE SINCE THIS BEGAN. AND, UM, ON THE LAST, ON THE LAST, UH, APPROVAL. SO, UM, WITH RAY AND, UM, NOW I GUESS WE OPEN IT TO PUBLIC. YES. LINDSAY? YES. I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I WAS INVOLVED IN DISCUSSING WITH THE PREVIOUS FIRE CHIEF ABOUT THE PRIOR PROJECT, AND I'VE TALKED WITH CHIEF FALO ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND ITS VARIOUS ITERATIONS MM-HMM [00:55:01] . SO FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF DISCLOSURE, THERE'S THAT. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I SAYING. JUST AS A DISCLOSURE, IT'S BEEN A LONG HISTORY, UM, AND, UH, ALSO ON THE FAINA PROJECT AS WELL. BUT, UM, ARE THERE ANY, UM, PUBLIC MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK? SEE, HEY. YES. HERE. ROGER BLAD, MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE, UH, 50 YEARS AGO, PRETTY MUCH WE WERE SET UP TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THAT WE STAND IN OPPOSITION TO THE DEMOLITION, THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER AS A SIGNIFICANT CIVIC, CIVIC WORK BY MARS LAPIDUS, WHOSE INFLUENCE HELPED SHAPE MIAMI BEACH'S ARCHITECTURAL IDENTITY AS AN EARLY AND REMARKABLE, INTACT EXAMPLE. LAPIDUS IS MODERNISTIC PUBLIC ARCHITECTURE. THE BUILDING REPRESENTS THE DEFINING MOMENT IN THE CITY'S POSTWAR EVOLUTION WHEN DESIGN WAS NOT ONLY USED TO CREATE IONIC RESORT DESTINATIONS, BUT ALSO TO ELEVATE THE EVERYDAY LIFE OF RESIDENTS THROUGH AMBITIOUS CIVIC INVESTMENT. ITS SCULPTURAL FORMS, HUMAN SCALE MODERNISM, AND CONTEXTUAL RELATIONSHIP TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. EMBODIED PRINCIPLES THAT WOULD LATER CONTRIBUTE TO MIAMI BEACH'S INTERNATIONAL REPUTATION. DEMOLITION OF THIS STRUCTURE WOULD CONSTITUTE AN IRREVERSIBLE LOSS OF AN ARCHITECTURAL AND CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT RESOURCE, ELIMINATING A TANGIBLE LINK TO MIAMI BEACHES, MID-CENTURY CIVIC HISTORY, AND TO ONE OF THE CITY'S MOST INFLUENTIAL DESIGNERS. PRESERVATION BY CONTRAST OFFERS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SENSITIVE ADAPTIVE REUSE, ALLOWING THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER TO CONTINUE SERVING THE PUBLIC WHILE HONORING ITS ARCHITECTURAL LEGACY, REINFORCING NEIGHBORHOOD CONTINUITY AND AFFIRMING MOMMY BEACH'S LONG STANDING COMMITMENT TO RE-IMAGINING THE HISTORIC BUILT ENVIRONMENT RATHER THAN REPLACING IT. ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST. MDPL DOES NOT TAKE A POSITION ON THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED NEW FIREHOUSE. HOWEVER, WE STRONGLY SUPPORT THE CONTINUED EFFORTS TO ENSURE THAT THE APOLLO MURAL IS PERMANENTLY INSTALLED WITHIN A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE SETTING IN MIAMI BEACH, ALLOWING THIS IMPORTANT CULTURAL WORK TO REMAIN VISIBLE, PROTECTED, AND INTEGRATED INTO THE CITY'S PUBLIC REALM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY, ANYBODY ELSE PRESENT, LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS JULIE ISAACSON. I RESIDE AT EIGHT 50 15TH STREET. UM, I AM SPEAKING AS A RESIDENT, EVEN THOUGH I AM FULL DISCLOSURE INVOLVED WITH THE MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE ADVOCACY COMMITTEE. UM, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT AGAINST THE DESTRUCTION OF A BUILDING DESIGNED BY PROLIFIC ARCHITECT MORRIS LAPIDUS. WE ARE ALREADY DEALING WITH THE LOSS OF LOCAL JURISDICTION FOR WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR HISTORIC BUILDING AS DEEMED BY THE FLORIDA STATE LEGISLATURE. IT'S A TRAVESTY TO EVEN CONSIDER TEARING DOWN THIS BUILDING. AND I REALLY WANNA GO BACK ONE MORE AND, AND PUT A PINPOINT ON. WE ARE FIGHTING WITH THE FLORIDA STATE LEGISLATURE ABOUT SAVING OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND FOR US TO GO AND DEMOLISHED. ONE IS A TRAVESTY. I, I HONESTLY CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER WORD FOR IT. THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER, MIAMI BEACH, DESIGNED BY THE RENOWNED ARCHITECT, MORRIS LAPIDUS, IS AN IMPORTANT EXAMPLE OF HIS LATER LESSER KNOWN WORKS. EXCUSE ME, I LOST MY PAGE. UM, LE UH, LESS KNOWN WORK REFLECTING POSTMODERN, PERHAPS BRUTALIST INFLUENCES ON HIS CONCRETE FORMS AND ADAPTATION TO SOCIAL NEEDS. THOUGH IT'S NOT STRICTLY A CLASSIC ART DECO BUILDING, LIKE MANY OF OTHERS IN THE CITY, LABA HAS CREATED IT IN 1969 AS A COMMUNITY HUB SHOWCASING A DEPARTURE FROM HIS FAMOUS HOTEL DESIGNS AND HIGHLIGHTING URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND REALLY WOULD BE A SERIOUS SHAME TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING. AND I ALSO WANNA ADD, ASIDE FROM HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WHICH IS USUALLY MY MAIN CONCERN, IT'S A TERRIBLE SPOT FOR A FIREHOUSE. IT DOESN'T HAVE EASY EGRESS FOR, UM, QUICK RESPONSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HI, GOOD MORNING. UM, MY NAME IS JEANETTE DORFMAN AND I AM A MEMBER OF THE MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE. AND I JUST WANNA REITERATE, UM, THE STANCE OF THE MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE ON OUR OPPOSITION OF THE DEMOLITION OF THIS, UM, ESSENTIALLY INTACT BUILDING. UH, IT'S ONE OF [01:00:01] THE LAST FEW REMAINING EXAMPLES OF MORRIS LAPIDUS, UH, PUBLIC CIVIC, UH, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE HUMAN SCALE. UM, I'M IMMEDIATELY SURPRISED THAT I WAS, I'M HERE. I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT HERE TO DISCUSS THE FOUNTAIN BLUE, BUT WE HAVE SUCH A LIMITED AMOUNT OF EXAMPLES OF MORRIS LAPIDUS BUILDINGS, UM, AND THE FACT THAT THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH, YOU KNOW, CONTINUES TO HAVE AT LEAST FOUR TO FIVE UNALTERED EXAMPLES OF MORE LAPIDUS BUILDINGS. AND WE'RE JUST ESSENTIALLY GONNA, YOU KNOW, TOSS THIS ONE OUT IS QUITE ALARMING TO ME. AND, UM, AS A LIFELONG RESIDENT, I REALLY THINK THAT I, WE NEED TO, UM, CONTINUE TO PRESERVE WHAT WE CAN, WHEN WE CAN. AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS, UM, AS, AS IMPORTANT AS IT IS, AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR A FIRE STATION, I DON'T THINK THAT THE, UH, THERE'S ENOUGH PUSH FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE IN WHAT I SEE AS BEING DESIGNED IN THIS FIRE STATION. I MEAN, WE'RE KEEPING WHAT, LIKE, PLANTERS IN AN ENTRYWAY. IT, IT DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH TO PRESERVE, UM, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, PUT FORTH INTO THE WORLD THAT WE HONOR OUR HISTORY. WE HONOR OUR, UM, OUR ARCHITECTS THAT, YOU KNOW, FUNDAMENTALLY ALTERED THE LANDSCAPE OF, UM, MIAMI BEACH. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO URGE THE, UH, THIS HONORABLE BOARD TO THINK OF MORE CREATIVE WAYS TO POSSIBLY TWEAK SOME MORE ADAPTIVE REUSE IN THIS DESIGN. AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ANY WINDOWS HERE? OH, YES. JOE MANNING, 30 YEAR RESIDENT OF MIAMI BEACH, COMMITTED PRESERVATIONIST, AS IS EVERYONE IN MY FAMILY HERE IN ABROAD. I'M SPEAKING AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN, EVEN THOUGH I'M ON THE BOARD OF THE MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE. I WAS FOR SIX YEARS PLUS A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD. AND JOHN, COULD YOU HELP ME OUT? ? I, I REMEMBER WE SAT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. YES, WE DID. I REMEMBER WHEN THE FAINA PROJECT CAME AROUND. MM-HMM . THERE WAS NEVER ANY TALK OF DISCARDING THAT MURAL. NEVER. BUT WE DIDN'T ASK THE FAINA PEOPLE TO PUT IT IN WRITING, BUT WE WERE NEVER GOING TO DISCARD IT. SOMEBODY IN MITCH'S PRESENTATION SAID IT WAS GONNA BE DISCARDED. NO, I MEAN, I KNOW I'M GETTING OLD AND MY MEMORY IS FADING. MM-HMM . BUT I REMEMBER THIS CLEARLY. MM-HMM . CAN YOU HELP ME OUT? YOU WERE MY MENTOR AND I SAT NEXT TO YOU AND YOU, YOU HELPED ME THROUGH, UH, THOSE FIRST DAYS WHEN FAINA CAME THROUGH. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, JOE, SO, UM, NO, I, I, THAT'S MY MEMORY AS WELL. I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO LOOK AT THE, WATCH THE TAPES, BUT YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THERE ARE SO MANY PLACES THIS MURAL COULD BE PUT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PUT IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND TO ME, THERE ARE TWO ISSUES HERE, AND I WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR. I RESPECT AND ADMIRE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND FIREFIGHTERS. THEY'RE DEDICATED TO SAVING THE LIVES OF PEOPLE AND THEIR HOMES. THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. BUT THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES HERE. AND ONE OF THEM IS THE PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC PROPERTY. AND PLEASE GIVE ME ENOUGH TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BROKE MY HEART WHEN WE WERE ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD WAS THE DEMOLITION OF 42 STAR ISLAND. THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED. THAT WAS ONE THAT WAS THE FIRST LICENSE ARCHITECT IN MIAMI BEACH. WALTER DE GARMO DESTROYED, NO REASON FOR THAT. ABSOLUTELY NONE. IT WAS IN SOLID SHAPE. IT WAS A FINE EXAMPLE OF AN HISTORIC BUILDING. I LIVE IN AN HISTORIC BUILDING, A 1937 HOTEL. WE DO OUR BEST TO MAINTAIN IT, TO KEEP IT GOING. WE JUST HAD A 40 YEAR RECERTIFICATION. IT WAS REPAINTED. THE CITY HAS APPRECIATED WHAT WE, WHAT WE HAVE DONE, AND WE APPRECIATE LIVING THERE. YOU CANNOT KEEP DESTROYING THESE BUILDINGS. IT'S WANTON DESTRUCTION. AND YES, IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF MORRIS LAPIDUS BUILDING THAT DOESN'T TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM IT. WE HAVE TO WORK HARD TO KEEP THIS. AND I STILL THINK THERE ARE BETTER PLACES FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I REALLY DO. AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS A COMMUNITY. AT ONE OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS, SOMEONE SAID THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY COULD NOT APPEAR FOR THESE MEETINGS. CAN THEY GIVE YOU ONE, ONE MORE MINUTE? YEAH. IS THAT, WOULD THAT HELP YOU? OKAY. THAT THEY, UM, THEY COULD NOT APPEAR AT THESE MEETINGS. THE PEOPLE IN THE, I PERSONALLY KNOW PEOPLE WHO RELY ON THAT CENTER FOR ONE THING, DAYCARE, BUT FOR OTHER REASONS AS WELL. AND JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SHOW UP AS THE PEOPLE SHOWED UP FOR THE, UH, THE FOUNTAIN BLUE, BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING IS NO REASON TO [01:05:01] DISCARD WHAT THEY MIGHT THINK. I THINK THEY HAVE TO COMMUNICATED WITH AGAIN, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TOO. YOU CAN'T TEAR AWAY THE FABRIC OF OUR CITY LIKE THIS. I MEAN, IT'S A COMMUNITY. WE'RE RESIDENTS. WE COUNT, WE VOTE, WE PAY TAXES. I DON'T WANNA BE THAT CRASS, BUT, AND THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD HAS TO PRESERVE HISTORIC PRESERVATION. OTHERWISE, I HATE TO SAY IT, IT'S NOT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, IT'S THE, WE ARE PLAYING AT HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. AND THAT'S A DISGRACE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ONLINE WHO'D LIKE TO WEIGH IN? YES, WE HAVE A, SORRY. UM, SEVERAL CALLERS ONLINE WITH THEIR HAND RAISED. OKAY. THE FIRST IS, UM, SUSANNA SANTORO. SUSANNA, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. I SWEAR. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. OKAY, CHAIR FOR THE RECORD. I UNDERSTAND THE ITEM OF THE FONT OF BLUE IS NOT BEING HEARD TODAY. AND MY COMMENT IS LIMITED TO PROCESS IN GENERAL. A VARIANCE IS DISCRETIONARY IS AN EXCEPTION, NOT AN ENTIT. WHERE OUR REQUEST PRESENTS CLEAR AND REPEATED CONCERNS REGARDING PUBLIC SAFETY, EMERGENCY RESPONSE, TRAFFIC, CONGESTION, AND INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY. IT IS APPROPRIATE TO QUESTION WHY CONTINUED ACCOMMODATIONS COMMENT. DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? IS BEING EXTENDED AT ALL? THIS IS A GENERAL COMMENT. IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS HANTA BLUE, AS I SAID AT THIS AT THE BEGINNING. SO REPEATED CONTINUANCES, A LAST MINUTE DEFERRALS REQUIRE RESIDENCES TO REPEATEDLY RELY ON NOTICE EARRINGS. AND ACCOMMODATING A PRIVATE APPLICANT WITHOUT TIMELY PUBLIC NOTICE CREATES THE APPEARANCE. THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IS SECONDARY UNDERMINING TRANSPARENCY, DUE PROCESS AND PUBLIC TRUST. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. OKAY. NEXT CALLER IS JOHANN MOORE. JOHANN, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, I DO. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU. HAVE TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING BOARD MEMBERS. UH, I WILL, UH, UH, URGENTLY ECHO SUSANNA'S COMMENT ABOUT PROCESS. UH, AND I WILL PICK UP THOUGH, UH, UH, WHERE MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE LEFT OFF, UH, IN COMPLETE SUPPORT OF THEIR COMMENTS. UH, THE REASON WE ARE HERE TODAY, UH, FIGURATIVELY SPEAKING, WHERE WE ARE IS BECAUSE OF THE ARROGANT SELF-ENTITLEMENT OF THE SOUTH OF FIFTH NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WHILE IT HAS WELCOMED SKYSCRAPERS AND ALL SORTS OF DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES OVER RECENT YEARS, WAS UNWILLING TO HOST ITS FAIR SHARE OF URBAN HEAVY MUNICIPAL HEAVY INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT BEING SAID, UH, THE BUILDING DESIGN IS ATTRACTIVE. UH, THANK YOU MITCH, FOR, UH, ADVOCATING FOR THE MURAL. WHILE THERE MAY IN FACT BE OTHER PLACES WHERE IT COULD WELL GO, UH, SITTING IN STORAGE FOR YEARS MORE WHILE WE SEARCH FOR THAT LOCATION IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. UH, I WANNA ASK A COUPLE OF PRACTICAL QUESTIONS. UH, NAMELY, IF THE FIVE, UH, DEEP WELLS THAT WERE REFERENCED ARE ESSENTIALLY RETENTION BASINS, UH, THAT WILL THEN SLOWLY AFTER THE RAINFALL EVENT IS OVER, RELEASE THAT WATER INTO OUR ON BEACH, UH, AQUIFER. UH, PARENTHETICALLY FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, NOT FOR DRINKING WATER, UH, AND THE, UM, OTHER QUESTION, UH, REVOLVES AROUND, UM, THE DESIGN ELEMENTS. UH, CAN YOU IN FACT SOMEHOW INCORPORATE MORE DESIGN ELEMENTS, UH, FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING, UH, IN PARTICULAR RETAINING THOSE ELEMENTS? UM, I WOULD CLOSE BY SAYING THAT THERE IS A BIT OF A CRISIS OF TRUST AS A RESULT OF THE COMMISSION'S FLIP FLOP ON PROTECTING THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER. BUT ALSO AS WE, UH, ANTICIPATE, UH, 1600 AND WASHINGTON AVENUE, THERE IS A BIT OF LACK OF PUBLIC TRUST IN THIS BOARD. AND WE ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT AS YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ISSUE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT CALLER IS, UM, ANDRE ION ANDRES. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. YOU KNOW, IT HURTS ME SO MUCH, UM, TO SEE AN AMAZING PIECE OF REAL ESTATE BEING LOST WORTH MILLIONS INSTEAD OF ADDING AN AMAZING PIECE OF REAL ESTATE ONTO OUR, UM, ONTO OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY. YOU KNOW, UM, THAT MURAL, WHICH IS THE APOLLO MURAL, WHICH MITCH, GREAT JOB FOR, FOR PUTTING THIS INTO THE FIRE STATION, COULD HAVE BEEN FACING, UM, [01:10:01] THE RUNNING TRACK ON THE PARK, YOU KNOW, THE 11TH STREET AND ALTON ROAD SITE. THAT WAS A VERY GOOD OPTION, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN FANTASTIC FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS 'CAUSE THE CURRENT FIRE STATION IS CURRENTLY ON 11TH STREET CURRENTLY AS WELL NOW. AND THEY USE, THOSE FIREFIGHTERS USE THE TRACK, THEY USE THE POOL, THEY USE ALL THAT AS PART OF TRAINING. IT'S SORT OF LIKE BECOMING PART OF A CAMPUS VERSUS NOW HAVING A SITE IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, OF COURSE, MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO THERE WHO LIVE THERE ARE LOW INCOME AND DEPEND ON THAT COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH I'VE BEEN TO MANY TIMES, LOVE SEEING EVERYBODY IN THAT COMMUNITY CENTER, ALL THE ELDERLY FOLKS THAT ARE THERE DAILY, AS WELL AS THE DAYCARE AS WELL. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT IT IS. BUT I'LL TELL YOU THAT YOU HAD A FEW PEOPLE COME OUT AND PROTEST ABOUT THE TRACK BEING DISTURBED DURING THIS PROJECT. UM, AND THOSE PEOPLE SEEM TO HAVE HAD A LOUDER VOICE THAN ALL THE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T GO AND PROTEST BECAUSE THEY'RE OUT WORKING THAT NOW ARE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, FIRETRUCKS IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD INSTEAD OF COMING OUT INTO A COMMERCIAL STREET LIKE ALTON ROAD. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE FIRE STATION WAS REVISED WHEN IT WAS PITCHED TO THE CITY ON ALTON ROAD AND ADDED A 9 1 1 DISPATCH CENTER, MAKING THE FIRE STATION LOOK BIGGER. AND, UH, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING DONE HERE ON THIS RENDERING OF THE FIRE STATION ON SIXTH STREET. SO I WOULD LOVE TO UNDERSTAND WHY THAT HAPPENED, BUT I'M, I'M SORRY TO SEE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY BEING LOST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANDRES. NEXT CALLER IS, UM, MATTHEW. MATTHEW, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? GOOD MORNING. YES, I DO. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS MATTHEW ALOFF AND I LIVE AT 1 25 JEFFERSON AVENUE. I'D LIKE TO OFFER A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I SHARE THE SAME FRUSTRATION WITH MANY ON HOW LONG THIS PROCESS HAS TAKEN. AND I'M NOT HERE TO REHASH THE LONGSTANDING CONTROVERSIES ABOUT THE SITE LOCATION, WHETHER THE EXISTING MORRIS LAPIDUS BUILDING IS CONTRIBUTING OR WHETHER IT SHOULD BE DEMOLISHED. INSTEAD, I WANT TO FOCUS ON THE DESIGN ITSELF AND WHETHER IN THIS CASE, FORM IS FOLLOWING FUNCTION OR FUNCTION IS BEING FORCED TO FOLLOW FORM. A 2015 REPORT SHOWED THAT ROUGHLY 75% OF MIAMI BEACH FIRE DEPARTMENT CALLS WERE MEDICAL EMERGENCIES. WHILE ABOUT ONE HALF OF 1% WERE ACTUAL STRUCTURE FIRES WITH AN OVERALL 25% BEING FIRE CALLS IN MANY CITIES, THAT REALITY HAS LED TO SMALLER, FASTER MEDICAL FIRST RESPONSE VEHICLES LIKE SUVS THAT MOVE MORE EFFECTIVELY THROUGH DENSE CONGESTED STREETS WITH LARGER UNITS FOLLOWING ONLY WHEN NECESSARY. AND YET OVER THE YEARS, THE SAME LARGE DRIVE-THROUGH STATION CONCEPT BEFORE YOU TODAY HAS FELT NON-NEGOTIABLE. ESSENTIALLY COPY PASTED THROUGHOUT SOUTH BEACH AS OTHER LOCATIONS WERE CONSIDERED. AND TO BE CANDID, IT LOOKS LESS LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD FIRE STATION AND MORE LIKE AN AIRPORT FIRE RESCUE FACILITY THAT BELONGS AT A LARGE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. SO MY FIRST SUGGESTION IS SIMPLE, RECONSIDER THE UNPRECEDENTED DRIVE-THROUGH DESIGN FEATURE. THAT SINGLE CHOICE DICTATES THE MASSING CIRCULATION FOOTPRINT AND OVERALL SCALE. AND I URGE THE CITY AND FIRE DEPARTMENT TO TAKE A MORE DATA-DRIVEN, FLEXIBLE APPROACH THAT RIGHT SIZES, THE DESIGN AND APPARATUS CHOICES TO FIT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND SOUTH BEACH NEIGHBORHOOD IT SERVES. DOING SO COULD IMPROVE THE OUTCOME FOR ALL STAKEHOLDERS, AREA RESIDENTS, THE GENERAL PUBLIC FIREFIGHTERS AND PATIENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT CALLER IS, UH, DANIEL ALDO. DANIEL, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. THANK YOU SO MUCH WITH ALL THE DISCUSSION, OR SORRY, DANIEL SERATO, UH, SEVEN 30 10TH STREET. WITH ALL THE DISCUSSION OF THE APOLLO MURAL AND HOW IT WAS SAVED, ONE PARTY HAS BEEN SYSTEMATICALLY LEFT OUT, BOTH TODAY AND IN RECENT HEARINGS. AND I'M HERE TO PLACE THIS HISTORY FOR THE RECORD BECAUSE ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS AND NOBODY HAS MENTIONED THIS SO FAR. WHEN MDPL BROUGHT UP THE APOLLO MURAL AND THE DESIRE TO SAVE IT, MITCH NOVAK WAS ON THE MDPL ADVOCACY COMMITTEE AND HE TOOK A LEAD ON THIS INITIATIVE. MITCH IS NOW IN THE MDPL SEAT OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. MITCH DID A LOT TO HELP RAISE AWARENESS, BUT THE BIGGER CHALLENGE WHERE TO STORE A MONUMENTAL MURAL POST DEMOLITION MDPL AND I, AS FORMER EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR PERSONALLY, WORKED TO FIND A LOCATION TO STORE THE MURALS AT NO CHARGE FOR SEVERAL YEARS WHILE THE PLAN FOR THE RESTORATION AND FUNDING MATERIALIZE. CHECK MY PUBLIC FACEBOOK PROFILE FROM MAY 27TH, 2021 FOR THE PICTURE OF ME AND BRANDY REDDICK AT A TOP SECRET LOCATION IN MIAMI. DURING THE PANDEMIC OUT IN THE YARD WITH THE PIECES OF THE APOLLO MURALS THERE ON THE GROUND, THEY WERE STRIPPED AND HEAVILY DAMAGED. I ALSO WANNA MENTION THE WONDERFUL ROSA LOWINGER AND HER [01:15:01] CREATIVE RESTORATION MADE A DIFFERENCE. I WAS HONORED TO GO VISIT THE MURALS WHEN THEY WERE UNDER RESTORATION AT BAKEHOUSE, ALONG WITH MITCH AND ANDRE UCCI FROM THE MIAMI HERALD. AND SO I WANT THE RECORD TO REFLECT MD P'S INSTRUMENTAL ROLE IN THE ADVOCACY FOR THIS MURAL. AND ALSO LET US NOT FORGET OTHER MONUMENTAL MURALS REMAIN IN STORAGE, THE ENZO GALL MURALS THAT WERE ON THE BANK AT ALTON AND LINCOLN. AND IF THE CHAIR WOULD JUST GIMME ONE MORE MINUTE TO, TO WRAP UP, I'D APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. IN THE FUTURE, LET US PLEASE LIFT UP ALL OF THOSE WHO ARE PART OF THIS AND OTHER EFFORTS NOT DIMINISH THEM. JUST BECAUSE MDPL MIGHT NOT BE ADVOCATING RIGHT NOW DURING THEIR TRANSITION LIKE THEY USED TO, DOESN'T MEAN THAT ALL OF THE HARD WORK SHOULD BE ERASED FROM THE RECORD. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE A PROMINENT PLAQUE THAT MENTIONS ALL THE GROUPS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN SAVING THE APOLLO MURAL. IT WAS TRULY A TEAM EFFORT AND IT SHOULD, UH, NOT BE DISCARDED. AND FINALLY, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THEIR EFFECTIVE ADVOCACY LED TO THIS BUILDING BEING DEMOLISHED WHEN JUST LAST YEAR WAS GOING TO BE SAVED. IT IS PROOF THAT EFFECTIVE ADVOCACY MATTERS. SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE COMMISSION MEETING LAST MONTH TO FIGHT FOR THE BUILDING. SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE SPOKEN UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DANIEL. THE LAST CALLER IN LINE IS, UH, MEG LUAU. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? SHE JUST TEXTED ME. MEG, ARE YOU THERE? WHO'S THAT? MEG? SH CAN WE GO BACK TO HER? CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT PERSON? AM I, AM I ALIVE NOW? THERE YOU ARE. YES. YAY. OKAY. SORRY. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HI, I'M MEG GUSTO. I AM THE NEW, UH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE. PROUDLY SO, AND ALTHOUGH I HAVE ONLY BEEN A RESIDENT OF MIAMI BEACH FOR THREE SHORT MONTHS, I HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN PRESERVATION FOR 30 YEARS. SO, UM, I'M SPEAKING MORE NOW TO THE POWER OF PRESERVATION AND ITS IMPORTANCE IN COMMUNITY IDENTITY, COMMUNITY BUILDING, UM, THE IMPORTANCE OF ADAPTIVE REUSE AS FAR AS THIS INCREDIBLE BUILDING GOES. THIS, THIS LAPIDUS DESIGN SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER. I JUST WANNA HARKEN BACK TO SOMETHING THAT, UH, ROGER GOLDBERG READ FROM OUR OFFICIAL STATEMENT ABOUT THE, THIS BUILDING, WHAT IT REPRESENTS, A DEFINING MOMENT IN THE CITY'S POST-WAR EVOLUTION WHEN DESIGN WAS NOT ONLY USED TO CREATE ICONIC RESORT DESTINATIONS, BUT ALSO TO ELEVATE THE EVERYDAY LIFE OF RESIDENTS THROUGH AMBITIOUS CIVIC INVESTMENT. THAT'S THE PART THAT REALLY SPEAKS TO ME WHEN I LOOK AT THIS BUILDING AND WHEN I LOOK AT ITS SURROUNDINGS. THIS IS A COMMUNITY CENTER AND IN A LOT OF CASES, COMMUNITY CENTERS ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE GATHER. BUT LAPIDUS DESIGNED SOMETHING THAT WAS TRULY ELEVATOR OF WHAT THIS MEANT FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH. AND I, OF COURSE, FULLY SUPPORT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND MANY TIMES, UH, WHAT FIREFIGHTERS DO AND WHAT THEY BRING TO COMMUNITIES AND THE SAFETY, THEN PROTECTION THEY OFFER. BUT I DO, OF COURSE, CONCUR THAT IT'S A, A REAL SHAME IF WE LOSE THIS BUILDING, ONE OF THE FEW LAPIDUS BUILDINGS REMAINING IN MIAMI BEACH. UM, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. OKAY. ONE LAST CALLER WITH THE NAME, JUST MIAMI BEACH . DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, I TELL THE TRUTH. MY NAME IS WANDA JAMON, 83 0 5 CRESTY BOULEVARD. UM, I'M CALLING INCOMPLETE OPPOSITION TO THE DEMOLITION OF THE CENTER. UM, GOING BACK TO THE VOTE, I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR TO THIS BOARD, UM, THAT WE, THE RESIDENTS WERE NOT, WE DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DISCUSSION, NOT A VOTE. IT WAS PULLED BY A COMMISSIONER AT LAST, THE LAST HOUR. NOT EVEN THE COMMISSIONERS KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON. UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF PRESSURE BY EMS, WHICH I DEFINITELY SUPPORT. UM, BUT IT WAS SO MUCH GOING ON AT ONE POINT THAT I DIDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON. AGAIN, THIS WAS CALLED AS A DISCUSSION, NOT AS A RESOLUTION. IT WAS LAST, LAST MINUTE. A COMMISSIONER CALLED IT, PULLED IT OUT. THE MAYOR CALLED IT IN FOR A VOTE. AND THIS IS HOW IT HAPPENED. MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. WE COULD WORK SOMETHING OUT, BUT PLEASE TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION. AND THIS IS A GREAT BUILDING. THE COMMISSIONERS HAD A GREAT, UH, OPENING FOR THE SENIORS THERE. I'M ALSO A SENIOR CITIZEN AND TO KIND OF BRING OUR HOPES UP AND THEN FROM ONE SECOND TO THE OTHER, OUR DREAMS WERE THROWN IN THE FLOOR. PLEASE [01:20:01] CONSIDER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'D LIKE THE APPLICANT AND MAYBE THE ARCHITECT TO COME BACK UP 'CAUSE THERE ARE A FEW QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC RAISED THAT THEY DON'T ASK YOU DIRECTLY, BUT I THINK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS MIGHT BE OF INTEREST. UM, I TOOK SOME, UH, THE NOTES I TOOK WAS, THE FIRST ONE WAS ABOUT THE WELLS. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THESE WELLS, UM, ARE WORKING ON THE SITE? THOSE ARE INJECTION WELLS. UH, SO THEY'RE, THEY DO TAKE THE STORM WATER, UH, YOU KNOW, INTO THE AQUA AQUIFER AND FILTER. UM, THAT IS A VERY LARGE DISPERSION WITHIN THE AQUIFER BEFORE IT GETS TO ANY OTHER, UH, WATER SOURCE. OKAY. SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WATER AFTER IT? UH, AF ONCE THE WALLS ARE FILLED, I, I DON'T, I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW MYSELF. SO, UM, THEY, THEY HAVE A CERTAIN CAPACITY, A RATE THAT THEY, UH, WILL ALLOW WATER TO, TO OCCUPY THE INJECTION WELL. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE FIVE, UH, IT'S PLANNED FOR A HUNDRED YEAR, UH, RAIN EVENT. SO IN THAT A HUNDRED YEAR RAIN EVENT, IT HAS CAPACITY FOR THAT FLOW OF RAIN ON THAT PARTICULAR SITE TO STAY ON SITE AND BE, UH, INHABIT THOSE INJECTION WELLS BEFORE DISPERSING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, SO DISPERSING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, GOING INTO THE STORM STORM SYSTEM, RIGHT? IF, IF WE DID NOT HAVE THE INJECTION WELLS, UH, PLANNED FOR THAT UP TO THAT A HUNDRED YEAR, THEY CURRENTLY, IT'S, IT IS BEING DISPERSED CURRENTLY INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YEAH. OKAY. UM, AND ANOTHER ONE I HAD WAS THE, UM, MAYBE DO YOU WANNA COMMENT ON THE QUESTION ABOUT THE 9 1 1 DISPATCH FACILITY? WHEN THEY ASKED US, EXCUSE ME, WHEN THE COMMISSION ASKED US TO LOOK AT THE FLAMINGO PARK SITE, THEY ALSO ASKED US TO LOOK AT INCLUDING THE 9 1 1 CENTER AT THAT SITE. THE PROJECT DOES NOT HAVE A BUDGET, DIDN'T HAVE IT FOR THAT SITE EITHER. IT WAS JUST EXPLORATORY TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT WERE THERE. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, ALSO, MAYBE, MAYBE SOMEONE FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR WOULD KNOW ABOUT THE, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE 9 1 1 CALLS AND THE PERCENTAGE THAT ARE FOR PUBLIC HEALTH VERSUS FIRE. UM, THANK YOU CHIEF. GOOD MORNING. FIRE CHIEF DEVELO. YEAH, SO THERE'S, UM, A MORE CLARIFICATION TO THE BACKSTORY ON THAT. UH, ISO AND NFPA, WHICH IS THE STANDARDS THAT WE OBLIGE BY NATIONWIDE, REQUIRES THAT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF APPARATUSES, BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT EACH APPARATUS HAS, WHICH IS 750 GALLONS, IS NEEDED IN ORDER TO SUPPRESS A FIRE. SO THE REASON WHY OUR TRUCKS ARE AS LARGE AS THEY ARE IS BECAUSE WE HAVE 750 GALLONS OF WATER AND WE HAVE THREE TRUCKS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY ISO RATINGS. SO IF WE LOSE OUR ISO RATING, THEN THE ADVERSE IMPACT WOULD BE EVERYONE'S HOMEOWNER INSURANCE IS GONNA GO UP. MM-HMM . SO, GREAT. THE REALITY IS THAT, YEAH, OUR CALL VOLUME FOR FIRES IS NOT AS HIGH AS MEDICAL, BUT YOU NEED 25 PEOPLE TO BE AT A FIRE TO EFFECTIVELY MANAGE THE OPERATION SCENE. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. AND, UM, THE, UH, I KNOW IN THE, THE, IN THE, IN THE ORDER, THERE'S A PLAQUE THAT'S BEING, UH, INCLUDED ALREADY ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE BUILDING. AND I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD ALSO THINK ABOUT INCLUDING A PLAQUE BECAUSE THERE'S THIS OTHER IMPORTANT HISTORIC ELEMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, FOR THE MURAL. THE MURAL AS WELL. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD, I WOULD, I I'M JUST, I'M NOT, OBVIOUSLY NOT VOTING ON THIS, I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT TO, UM, MAKE SURE PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THEY'VE BEEN HEARD. AND YES. LINDSAY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? GO AHEAD. YEAH, NO. ANYBODY ELSE? YOU MEAN COMMENT, COMMENTARY IN GENERAL? YES. WHAT COMMENTARY IN GENERAL OR ANY, YES, AND I'M, I'M KIND OF IN THE COMMENTARY PERIOD FOR THE, FOR THE BOARD COMMENT, BUT I, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS IS KIND OF THE RESPONSE, OPTIONAL RESPONSE, UM, BY THE APPLICANT. SO THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. SO WHAT I WAS CLARIFYING WITH STAFF, CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID, WE ARE VOTING AS ADVISORY. IT'S AN ADVISORY VOTE. WE'RE VOTING, OF COURSE. WE'RE VOTING, YES. OKAY. YES, BUT JUST NOT AT THAT MOMENT. I WAS, I WAS ONLY WONDERING WHETHER WE COULD, I WAS TRYING TO SET IT OUT THERE. UM, YES, OF COURSE, BUT WE WEREN'T VOTING AT THAT SECOND. THERE'S STILL BOARD COMMENT. THAT'S FAIR. WE'LL START WITH JUST A LOT OF THE COMMENT THAT PEOPLE MADE ABOUT, THEY'RE [01:25:01] ACTING LIKE WE'RE TOTALLY TEARING DOWN THIS BUILDING AND SAVING NOTHING. A LOT OF THE MORE LABORATIVE FEATURES WERE SAVED BACK IN 2022. AND AGAIN TODAY, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT HAVING THIS IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, FIRE STATION ONE RIGHT NOW IS IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WHEN IT WAS BUILT, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT ALL THE CARS AND WHERE PEOPLE WERE GONNA PARK. THE NEW ONE HAS PARKING FOR THE, FOR, FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS, AND ALSO ALL OF SOUTH OF FIFTH DIDN'T EXIST. SO A FIREHOUSE CLOSER TO WHERE THE HIGH RISES ARE, AND WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT CAN HANDLE THESE HIGH RISES IS IMPORTANT. AND WE'VE SPENT YEARS TRYING TO REDEVELOP THIS. EVERYBODY'S LIKE, NOT IN MY BACKYARD. WELL, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE'S FINALLY A FIRE AND YOUR BACKYARD BURNS DOWN? OH GEE, WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A NEW FIREHOUSE. IT'S TIME TO REALLY MOVE IT FORWARD. AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS, BUT I THINK THAT WE'VE DONE A, A GOOD JOB IN 2022, AND I THINK WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. RIGHT, LINDSAY? YEAH, SO I MEAN, TO THAT POINT, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE NOT DISCUSSED, AND I KNOW THIS WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE TESTIMONY WHEN IT WAS BEFORE THE BOARD, UH, BACK IN 2022, OUR CHIEF HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, DEBBIE ETT, TESTIFIED THAT THE FIRE STATION IS CRITICAL TO THE HEALTH OF OUR ENTIRE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A FIRE STATION THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, PERFORM TO THE LEVELS THAT IT NEEDS TO IN THE AREA THAT IT NEEDS TO, IS VERY IMPORTANT. UM, I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WHERE MDPL IS, UM, ON THIS ISSUE. UM, I, I DO THINK THAT THE PRIOR BOARD, THE COMMISSION, THE COMMUNITY, I, I THINK EVERYONE'S MADE EFFORTS TO THE NTH DEGREE TO TRY TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM AS BEST AS IT POSSIBLY COULD BE DONE. AND WE'RE NOW 2018, GUYS, 2018, I, ALONG WITH A MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE CITY, VOTED FOR THE GO BOND, $72 MILLION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE, 10 MILLION SPECIFICALLY TO THIS PROJECT, 10 MILLION SPECIFICALLY TO FIRE STATION ONE IN 2018. NOW WE'RE IN 2026 AND WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY. WE STILL DON'T HAVE A FIRE STATION. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE, WE'VE BROUGHT UP. UM, IT'S THE PRACTICAL IMPLICATIONS, UM, THAT WE HAVE TO WEIGH AGAINST. YOU KNOW, I THINK ANYBODY HERE WOULD AGREE, PRESERVATION IS AN ART, NOT A SCIENCE, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE HARDER THAN YOU MIGHT LIKE TO, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE WE WOULD ALL LIVE TO SAVE EVERY SINGLE BUILDING, BUT I, AS A RESIDENT OF FLAMINGO PARK, I LIVE IN THE 1930S ELMAR DIXON BUILDING, IF THERE'S A FIRE, AND ACTUALLY WE DID HAVE TO CALL THE FIRE NOT TOO LONG AGO BECAUSE WE HAD SMELL OF LIKE ELECTRICAL FIRE. AND I WILL TELL YOU, THEY RESPONDED IMMEDIATELY FULL FORCE, THE FULL FIRE TRUCK, EVERYTHING, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A FIRE IN THE ATTIC OR IF IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT SMELLS FUNNY. AND SO FOR THAT, THEY HAVE TO COME AND CLEAR IT. AND I WANT THAT TYPE OF RESPONSE IN MY BUILDING AND EVERY BUILDING AROUND THERE, WHETHER IT'S A HISTORIC BUILDING OR WHETHER IT'S ONE OF THE HIGH RISE STRUCTURES THAT WE HAVE IN SOUTH OF FIFTH, I VALUE THE SERVICES THAT THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE. AND, AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY WHAT FOCUSES MY DECISION. UM, AND TO BOOT MITCH, I DO THINK YOU DESERVE A LOT OF CREDIT. UM, AS DOES MDPL ON THE APOLLO MURAL, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO IT SINCE BEFORE I WAS ON THIS BOARD. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR MDPL, FOR, YOU KNOW, SPEARHEADING ALL OF THAT. UM, SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. UM, MITCH, AND THEN ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO, RANDY OR ELIZABETH, YOU WANNA MAKE A COMMENT? OKAY. WHEN THIS IDEA OF, UH, DEMOLISHING THE, UH, SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER WAS FIRST DISCUSSED, I WAS STANDING AT THE PODIUM OPPOSING IT. UH, THAT WAS WHEN JIM JIMMY MORALES WAS OUR CITY MANAGER. AND I WORRIED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON MY PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE STREET, UH, UH, THE DISRUPTION TO MY TENANTS, HAVING TO DEAL WITH SIRENS, VIBRATION. UM, AND AS THIS PROCESS PROGRESSED, WE LEARNED THAT THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE LIVING IN A FACILITY THAT'S PLAGUED WITH MOLD. UH, COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ USED THE TERM SEWER FLIES, AND IT GOT ME THINKING PUBLIC SAFETY VERSUS HISTORIC PRESERVATION. THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW ME, UH, I CAN SAY, UH, MY LIFE IS SURROUNDED, UH, [01:30:01] WAS BUILT ON HISTORIC PRE PRESERVATION FOR MYSELF IN THIS CITY. I FIRST GOT INVOLVED WITH MDPL IN 1988, FIRST AS A TOUR, TOUR TOUR GUIDE, AND THEN AS A, UH, THE LONGEST SERVING BOARD MEMBER IN, IN THE ORGANIZATION'S HISTORY. UH, WAS IT, I THINK 30, UH, 1993 UP UNTIL LAST YEAR. UH, CONTINUOUS SERVICE. SO AGAIN, BACK TO THAT ISSUE, PUBLIC SAFETY VERSUS HISTORIC PRESERVATION. IF THERE WAS A THREAT TO THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT BE A BUILDING FALLING DOWN OR IN THIS CASE, UH, A SITUATION WHERE OUR FIRST RESPONDERS ARE IN A SITUATION THAT, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, IMPACTS OR, OR, OR LIKELY IMPACTS THEIR LIVELIHOOD IN TERMS OF PUBLIC SAFETY, HEALTH WISE, MOLD AND SEWER FLIES. UH, I'M GONNA SIDE, UH, UH, WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, IN, IN THIS MATTER, UH, I MIGHT BE THE LONE VOTE TO SAVE THE CENTER, BUT THAT'S ALL POLITICS BECAUSE WE ARE ADVISORY. AND, UH, THIS PROCESS, IT WAS, UH, STIFLED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. THE STATION WOULD'VE BEEN OPERATING NOW. UH, BUT, UH, AS WAS REFERENCED, THE FLIP FLOP, WHICH, UH, WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH THAT COST US ENOUGH MONEY HAS BEEN WASTED AND IT'S TIME TO MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. ANY, ANY FURTHER? COME, RANDY, DO YOU WANNA ANYTHING TO SAY? NO, ELIZABETH? YES. SO I THINK I'M NEW IN THIS PROCESS 'CAUSE I WAS NOT PART OF, YOU KNOW, THAT HISTORIC PAST THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE THANKFULLY HIGHLIGHTED AND BROUGHT TO THE CONVERSATION. BUT A FEW THINGS COME TO MY MIND, UM, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW I PLACED THEM AT THIS POINT, BUT MITCH MENTIONED PUBLIC SAFETY VERSUS HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND I'M NOT SURE WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE THAT? WHY COULDN'T WE HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION? UM, RAY MENTIONED THAT NOBODY WANTED IT ON THEIR BACKYARD, SO MAYBE THAT WAS A DEFAULT LOCATION. AND I'M NOT SURE, UM, THIS NEW DESIGN SEEMS TO FULFILL A LOT OF THE NEEDS FROM THE FIREFIGHT AND OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH MAKES ME VERY HAPPY ABOUT IT. AND ALSO THE FACT THAT, UH, APOLLO MURAL IS FINDING A NEW HOME. SO I THINK ALL THOSE ARE THE WIN-WIN SIDES OF THIS CONVERSATION. BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE, UM, I QUESTION THE LOCATION OF THE FIRE STATION WITHIN A VERY TIGHT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE STREETS BEING RELATIVELY NARROW WITH THE BIKERS AND THE PARKING AND THE RESIDENTS. SO, UH, I WONDER IF THAT'S THE, THE RIGHT LOCATION OF A FIRE STATION. THE SECOND THING THAT OCCURS TO ME IS THAT, UM, WE HAVE THOSE VERY LARGE RAMPS ON BRINGING THE TRUCKS UP. AND SO THOSE RAMPS ARE OVER A HUNDRED FOOT LONG AND MORE THAN 12 FEET HIGH. SO THEY ARE VERY SIGNIFICANT RAMPS. AND I THINK IF WE PAY ATTENTION TO THE RENDERINGS, WE CAN GET A VERY GOOD IDEA OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THOSE RAMPS. SO I KEEP ON THINKING, DOES THAT, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN. CONGRATULATIONS TO THE ARCHITECT TO WORK ON THAT. I LIKE THE DESIGN AND I LIKED THE FACT THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO USE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, BUT I QUESTION IF THAT, UM, DESIGN PERTAINS TO THAT LOCATION AND THOSE RAMPS. I THINK THEY'LL BE PERFECT SKATEBOARD, UH, PARTS FOR THE KIDS AFTER HOURS BETWEEN THE HOURS WHEN NOBODY'S LOOKING AT, UM, AND THE SIZE OF THOSE RAMPS ARE COVERED IN GREEN WALLS. AND GREEN WALLS. YOU ALL KNOW THAT THEY DON'T ALWAYS WORK VERY WELL. SO I'M CONCERNED WITH THE MAINTENANCE AND THE LOOK OF THOSE GREEN WALLS IN THE LONG RUN. SO THOSE ARE MEAN, THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN RUNNING THROUGH MY MIND AS I HEAR ALL THIS PAST HISTORY ON POSITION. THANK YOU, RANDY. UM, I WASN'T GONNA SAY ANYTHING, BUT I FULLY SUPPORT WHAT YOU JUST SAID. I THINK THAT THE, THE RAMPS ARE UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET THE ELEVATION SO HIGH THAT THEY'RE VERY INCONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE MASSIVE CONCRETE RAMPS OR ASPHALT. I'M NOT, I ASSUME THEY'RE CONCRETE OF, THEY'RE OVER A GARAGE, BUT I I, IT DOES NOTHING FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE 40, 50 FOOT WIDE RAMPS, 12 FEET HIGH ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET. UM, IT DOES VERY LITTLE. AND I, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE POINT THAT IT IS UNFORTUNATE MAYBE THAT WE HAVE TO PUT PUBLIC SAFETY VERSUS HISTORIC PRESERVATION. I ALSO AGREE THAT THEY SHOULD WORK TOGETHER SOMEHOW. YEP, ABSOLUTELY. RAY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD? NO. OKAY. UM, MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD JUST [01:35:01] CHIME IN, JUST 'CAUSE THIS CAME UP DURING THE BOARD'S DISCUSSION. YES. THE BOARD'S NOT VOTING TODAY ON THE, ON THE LOCATION OR THE SITING. UM, YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS IS YOU WOULD ANY OTHER APPLICATION APPLYING THE, THE REVIEW CRITERIA? THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BEING THAT ON DEMOLITION YOUR ROLE IS ADVISORY MITCH? YEAH. UH, AND, AND I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, UH, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, UH, OR, OR LET ME UH, STEP BACK FOR A MOMENT. UH, UH, I SERVED ON THIS BOARD FROM 2001 TO 2007. AND, UM, THERE WAS FIRE STATION NUMBER FOUR UP ON 69TH STREET THAT, UH, CONSISTED, UH, AT THE TIME OF A HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND THERE WAS A FIGHT. UH, AND EVENTUALLY THE BUILDING CAME DOWN AND, UH, THE TRAILERS CAME IN AND THE NEW FACILITY WAS BUILT AT THAT SITE. AND IN A PERFECT WORLD, UH, THE SAME THING WOULD HAPPEN, UH, AT 10TH AND JEFFERSON, WHERE FIRE STATION ONE EXISTS TODAY. UH, KEEP IN MIND, WE ARE LIKELY, OR A ONE BUILDING, UH, ASSUMING EVERYTHING GOES FORWARD, ONE BUILDING, ONE LAPIDUS BUILDING IS GONNA BE VACATED. UH, IT'S A FIREHOUSE. IT WAS BUILT AS A FIREHOUSE. HOW DO YOU ADAPTIVELY REUSE THAT? AND THE SOUTH SHORE COMMUNITY CENTER, UH, WILL BE, UH, COMING DOWN. SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE FOR PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU, MITCH. UM, SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I, YOU KNOW, HAVING FOLLOWED THIS, THE, THE ENTIRE TIME, I JUST KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY OF THE WINS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTING THIS, THAT ARE WAY OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD. AND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD HAS, UM, A CERTAIN ROLE TO PLAY, BUT IT, WE ALSO HAVE A, UM, A CONTEXT THAT IN WHICH THAT WE WORK IN. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING VOTED FOR THIS TO THIS THE FIRST TIME, AND THEN HAVING VOTED TO PUSH FOR THE, UM, TO MAKE THIS, UH, BUILDING A, UM, YOU KNOW, A DESIGNATED HISTORIC SITE, UH, HAVING LIVED IN ONE OF LAPIDUS BUILDINGS FROM THIS PERIOD AND, AND VERY CLOSE BY, AND IT WAS, UM, YEAH. SO I KIND OF SEE HOW THESE THINGS WORK, BUT I THINK AS EVERYBODY HERE IS TRYING TO EXPRESS, WE DON'T WORK IN A HISTORIC PRESERVATION CONTEXT. THAT'S, THAT'S CLEAR, CRYSTAL CLEAR. AND THAT HAS, UH, DIRECT IMPERATIVES. AND SO I, UM, I HOPE THAT EACH OF YOU VOTE FOR THE VOTE THE WAY YOU FEEL, UM, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THE CONTEXT. THIS SAYS ESPECIALLY RICH CONTEXT FOR MITCH, UH, LONGTIME HISTORIC PRESERVATIONIST, AS WELL AS THE PERSON WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE, UM, FOR THE, THE MURAL. AND, UM, WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UH, WE SHOULD KIND OF DRAW THIS CONVERSATION TO A CLOSE. UH, OKAY. YOU HAVE TOO. UH, AND I WOULD DRAW THIS CONVERSATION A CLOSE, BUT OBVIOUSLY MY COLLEAGUES WISH TO CONTINUE IT, SO PLEASE NO, NO. JUST IN TAKE IT, TAKE AWAY. NO, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. AND BACK IN 2022, I MADE THE MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONDITION OF APPROPRIATENESS WITH CONDITIONS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE SAME MOTION AGAIN TODAY. I'LL SECOND THAT BEFORE WE MAKE THE MO, BEFORE WE, UM, VOTE IN THE MOTION, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, I WAS ASKED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE IN PLACE REGARDING THE, UH, THE MURAL. THOSE WERE THE DETAILS REGARDING THE FINAL, UM, INSTALLATION AS WELL AS THE LIGHTING. BOTH OF THOSE CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THIS ORDER. AND THEN DID YOU WANNA RAY ADD ANOTHER CONDITION REGARDING HAVE A, HAVING A PLAQUE REGARDING FOR THE APOLLO MURAL AS WELL? YES, WE CAN ADD THAT AND I'LL SUPPORT THAT. OKAY. ACTUALLY, UM, UM, NICK SUGGESTS WE START WITH THE DEMOLITION ADVISORY RECOMMENDATION FIRST. SO DOES SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION, UM, FOR THAT? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. I'LL SECOND IT AND I SHOULD WE, I'LL DO A ROLL CALL ON THIS. UM, THIS WOULD BE FOR THE ADVISORY RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COMMISSION IN SUPPORT OF THE, THE DEMOLITION. AND YOU NEED FOUR VOTES. WE NEED. WELL, IT'S JUST, IT'S, UM, IT'S ADVISORY, SO MAJORITY. YES, EXACTLY. SO, UM, THIS WOULD BE A, A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION IN SUPPORT OF THE DEMOLITION. UM, MR. BRESLIN? YES, MS. CAMARGO, THE LAST ONE. OKAY. I'M STILL THINKING MS. LOVE. YES. MR. NOVIK COUNT ME AS NO, MR. HOLLINGWORTH? NO. MR. STEWART. YES. [01:40:02] MS. CAMARGO? NO. SO THAT'S A TIE. SO IT'S, UM, SO IN, IN THE EVENT OF A TIE, THE, UM, THE MOTION FAILS, UM, THAT WOULD ALSO, THAT, THAT GENERALLY WE WOULD, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT AS, AS A NEGATIVE. SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE TRANSMITTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION AS AN UNFAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. NICK, IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION. SO CORRECT. IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION, WHICH OF COURSE COULD BE OVERRIDDEN. THE QUESTION IS, WILL IT CAUSE DELAY? IT SHOULDN'T, WELL, I THINK THE, THE, UM, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION CAN ONLY BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION ANYWAY. SO, UM, BY TRANSMITTING A RECOMMENDATION TODAY, YOU PUT THE COMMISSION IN A POSTURE TO VOTE, UH, UP OR DOWN ON THE C OF A FOR DEMOLITION. UM, JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE RECOMMENDED AGAINST ISSUANCE OF THE C OF A FOR DEMOLITION, THAT I DON'T THINK THAT BEARS ON, UM, ON YOUR VOTE ON THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. AS UNUSUAL AS THAT SOUNDS BECAUSE YOUR ROLE IN REVIEWING DEMOLITION IS ONLY ADVISORY. YEAH. SO YEAH, IT'S SORT OF LIKE THE OPTICS OF THAT. OKAY. LET THEM HAVE IT. AND THAT'LL BE DONE RELATIVELY SOON, PERHAPS AT THE NEXT, AT THEIR NEXT MEETING. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT COULD BE DONE AT THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE OF THE NOTICING REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT COULD BE DONE AT THE FIRST AVAILABLE CITY COMMISSION MEETING. I THINK THAT'S, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. I, I, I BELIEVE AT ONE POINT IN TIME, WASN'T IT, LIKE SLATED FOR DEMOLITION AND THE TRUCKS WERE LIKE, THEY'RE READY TO DEMOLISH IT AND THEN THE COMMISSION STOPPED IT. . UM, SO I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW ALL THIS WORKS. I'M, I CAN'T IMAGINE THEM FLIP FLOPPING AGAIN, LINDSAY, REGARDLESS OF HOW OUR VOTE WENT TODAY, IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE NEXT AVAILABLE CITY COMMISSION MEETING. CORRECT. REGARDLESS. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. SO I I I DON'T KNOW THAT OUR VOTE YES OR NO OR 50 50 MAKES A DIFFERENCE. YEAH, BUT THEY'RE NEVER GONNA KNOW 50 50 THEY'RE GONNA KNOW. NO, CORRECT. WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA INCLUDE THE, THE VOTE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS AND IT'S GONNA BE THREE TO THREE WITH THE, UM, OUTCOME THAT IT'S AN UNFAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION FOR, FOR DEMOLITION. OKAY. SO, SO WE'LL GO BACK NOW TO THE, UM, YES. THE FIRST MOTION REGARDING THE C OF A OR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. I, I'D MAKE THAT MOTION. WELL, I THINK, UM, MR. PRESIDENT ALREADY MADE THE MOTION. YEAH, RIGHT. SO, AND THAT WILL INCLUDE THE ADDITIONAL PLAQUE REGARDING FOR THE APOLLO MURAL, UM, AND THE CONDITIONS ALREADY DRAFTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. I'LL SECOND THAT. NO, PLEASE. IT WAS ALREADY, IT WAS ALREADY, IT WAS ALREADY DONE. I APOLOGIZE. WELL, YOU'LL GO THROUGH, UM, UM, MR. BLIN MADE THE MOTION SECONDED BY MS LEVEL. THIS WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE C OF A FOR, UM, NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, MR. NOVIK? YES. MR. HOLLINGWORTH? YES. UM, MS LEVEL. YES. MR. BRESLIN? YES. MS. CAMARGO? YES. MR. STEWART? YES. THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY SIX TO ZERO. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME THE RATIONALE OF APPROVING A BUILDING TO BE BUILT IN A SITE WHERE THERE IS ALREADY AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT WE DID NOT APPROVE TO DEMOLITION. AND, AND THAT, AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UM, UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES ON PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY, THAT WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE. BUT BECAUSE ON PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CITY, THE HPV, UH, THE HPVS ROLE IS ADVISORY WITH REGARD TO DEMOLITION. UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR APPROVAL OF THE, OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION TODAY IS ESSENTIALLY CONDITIONED ON THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVING THE C OF A FOR, FOR DEMOLITION. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES THE APPLICATION FOR THE FIRE STATION. THANK YOU. I FIND OUT, IS THE APPLICANT [5. HPB25-0670, 1835 Michigan Avenue – Single Family Home.] HERE FOR 1835 MICHIGAN AVENUE? THIS IS HPB 25 DASH 0 6 70. IT ARE YOU HERE FOR THIS APPLICATION? SO, AS NO'S [01:45:01] HERE FOR THIS APPLICATION FOR 1835 OF MICHIGAN AVENUE, THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR SEA WALL HEIGHT VARIANCE. MM-HMM . I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE BOARD JUST TO CONTINUE THE APPLICATION, UM, VERSUS HAVING A, A DISCUSSION HERE TODAY WHEN THE APPLICANT'S NOT PRESENT. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE BOARD, UM, I'LL MOVE TO CONTINUE IT SECOND. IS THERE A SECOND TO CONTINUE? I'LL, I'LL SECOND TO BY MITCH. THIS WILL BE CONTINUATION TO THE, TO THE, UM, MARCH MEETING DATE, MARCH 17TH. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. SO THAT'S BEEN CONTINUED TO THE MARCH 17TH MEETING DATE. [7. PLAQUE PROGRAM FOR HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED HOMES AND PUBLIC BUILDINGS] WE HAVE ONE DISCUSSION ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY. JUST TEE THAT UP. SO THIS IS A DISCUSSION ON A PLAQUE PROGRAM FOR HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED, UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND PUBLIC BUILDINGS WITHIN THE CITY. SO, UM, IN OUR MEMO FOR COMPARISON AND PURPOSES, THE CITY OF CORAL GABLES CURRENTLY PROVIDES SMALL CERAMIC PLAQUE AT NO COST TO OWNERS OF PROPERTIES DESIGNATED AS HISTORIC LANDMARKS. THIS APPROACH OF USING A STANDARD DESIGN AND COST-EFFECTIVE MATERIAL ALLOWS MULTIPLE PLOTS TO BE PRODUCED SIMULTANEOUSLY AND MINIMIZING COST FOR MIAMI BEACH. THIS APPROACH IS CONTEMPLATED TO ENSURE EFFICIENCY, EFFICIENCY AND COST EFFECTIVENESS. AND THIS WOULD BASICALLY APPLY TO THE ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES, WHICH ARE A TOTAL OF 31 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND FIVE INDIVIDUALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC PUBLIC BUILDINGS. WE PROVIDED A DIAGRAM OR, UM, INDICATION OF THE TWO PROPOSED, UM, DESIGNS. ONE IS FOR HISTORIC HOMES AND THEN ONE IS FOR HISTORIC STRUCTURES. UM, TOGETHER THE CITY ANTICIPATES THAT WE COULD GENERATE THESE 36 PLAQUES THAT HAVE COST OF LESS THAN $1,000. SO THIS, THIS DISCUSSION IS JUST FOR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROGRAM OR NOT. AND WE'RE ASKING THE BOARD TO, UM, UM, VOTE IN FAVORABLE OF THIS PLAQUE PROGRAM. UH, I'M SORRY, MICHAEL, UH, DID YOU SAY EACH OF THESE, UH, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL 'EM? 31, UM, PLAQUES ARE GONNA COST A THOUSAND DOLLARS. NO, THE TOTAL, THE TOTAL IS A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR WHAT? TO APPLY TO GET ONE? NO, THE, THE TOTAL IS A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THEIR CONSTRUCTION. OH, OKAY. OKAY. I, I, I UNDERSTAND. BE, BE NO, NO COST TO THE HOMEOWNERS. ALRIGHT. WHAT ABOUT FOR BUILDINGS, UH, THAT ARE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND A PROPERTY OWNERS PROUD OF THEIR BUILDING AND THEY SHOULD WANT SUCH A PLAQUE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT YEAH, THAT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROCESS BEING THE CITY, THE CITY COMMISSION HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD HAS IN THE PAST DEVELOPED DESIGNS FOR, UM, PLAQUES. AND OFTENTIMES WHEN AN APPLICATION COMES BEFORE THE BOARD, WE, WE REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC PLAQUES AND THEY USE THAT SORT OF STANDARD. SO THAT'S SEPARATE. APART FROM THIS, THIS PROCESS, THIS IS ONLY FOR INDIVIDUALLY DESIGNATED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? YES. ALRIGHT. AND THESE ARE HOMES THAT ARE DESIGNATED OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS. SO YOU WANT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S NO NEGATIVE REALLY REGARDING THIS. UM, AND THE CITY COMMISSION IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS EFFORT AT MINIMAL COST. AND WHO WILL BE, UH, UH, APPLYING OR, UH, INSTALLING THESE PLAQUES BE COORDINATED WITH? UH, WELL, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WHO'S INSTALLING IT? I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF PROBABLY PRO PROVIDING IT TO THE HOMEOWNER. I THINK WE INDICATED IN OUR, IN OUR, UM, MEMO HERE BE REQUIRED COORDINATION BETWEEN, UM, UM, THE PARKING DEPARTMENT'S MANUFACTURING FACILITY, AS WELL AS, UM, LET'S SEE. YOU WOULD WANT THIS INSTALLED RATHER THAN JUST HAND IT OVER. IF YOU HANDED ME THIS, I'D USE IT AS A FANCY YEAH. SO I'M NOT SURE THE LOGISTIC OF WHO'S GONNA BE INSTALLING IT OR HOW IT'S GONNA BE INSTALLED AND YEAH. SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE'RE JUST WEIGHING IN, IN TERMS OF THE, THE OVERALL DESIGN AND IF THE BOARD, UM, SUPPORTS THE PROGRAM, IT SAYS THAT THE MATERIAL IS CERAMIC. SO IT'S LIKE A TILE KIND? NO, THIS IS, THIS WAS, UM, THE, THE CORAL GABLES PROGRAM INCLUDES A CERAMIC PLAQUE. THIS ONE IS SUPPOSED TO BE PLASTIC PROBABLY SINCE IT'S, SINCE IT'S PRODUCED BY THE CITY'S, UM, UM, PARKING DEPARTMENT'S MANUFACTURING FACILITY. THEN IT'LL BE METAL. IT JUST, YOU COULD RECOMMEND THAT IT BE, UH, MORE. OH, SO THERE IS NO MATERIAL? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THE MATERIALS SPECIFIED, IT SEEMS LIKE IT FOR THE, FOR THE COST OF LESS THAN A THOUSAND DOLLARS. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S, IT CAN'T BE MUCH MORE THAN PLASTIC FOR THAT. YEAH. IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GONNA BE BRASS. RIGHT. BUT IF YOU WANNA SUGGEST THAT IT'S BE MADE OF A METALLIC MATERIAL, MORE PERMANENT NATURE, I $27 A PIECE. THAT'S, I'M SURPRISED THEY CAN'T DO THAT. SO WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US, MICHAEL? JUST A, A RECOMMENDATION AND SUPPORT. I WOULD LIKE MODIFICATION TO SEE WHAT ONE OF THESE THINGS LOOK LIKE. UH, SHOULD WE CONTINUE THIS? AND MAYBE YOU [01:50:01] BRING US, UH, STAFF BRINGS US ONE JUST TO SEE AND TOUCH AND UNDERSTAND IT. CAN YOU SUPPORT A FURTHER, UH, INVESTIGATION OF THE TOPIC? 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE IS OPPOSED TO THIS, SO IT'S NOT LIKE EVERYBODY'S GONNA SAY NO, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE YOU'RE NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING. SO MAYBE MORE INFORMATION, MAYBE THAT'S A, YOU DON'T REALLY CONTINUE IT. IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. YEAH. BUT WE'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE. OKAY. SO YOU WANNA CONTINUE THIS TO THE NEXT MONTH'S MEETING? YEAH, SO I MEAN, I, I LIKE THE IDEA, BUT I MEAN, IF, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW NICELY OR HOW TECHING THEY MAY BE, LIKE THE MATERIAL. I'M SORRY FOR MY POOR LANGUAGE. UH, HOW THICK THEY WILL BE IF THEY ARE INVOLVED OR NOT. I MEAN, SO I THINK IF YOU COULD HAVE MORE DETAIL WOULD BE GREAT. YEAH. I THINK TO THAT END, IF IT'S WORTH DOING, IT'S WORTH DOING. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO THAT, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION I, AND THE CONCEPT I LIKE THE IDEA OF, BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GONNA WANNA INSTALL IN THEIR HOME, THEN, THEN WHY WOULD WE DO IT? UNDERSTOOD. MAKES SENSE. WE'LL, WE'LL PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR, UM, NEXT BUS MEETING. GOOD, GOOD POINT. THERE'S ALSO, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, ALSO, IS IT A PLASTIC THIN PLASTIC OR IS IT A POURED RESIN? I THINK A POURED RESIN PROPERLY TREATED YOU WOULD NOT KNOW IS PLASTIC. IF YOU'RE GONNA MOLD A PLASTIC COVER, THAT WOULD JUST, I, I THINK WOULD BE CONTRARY TO THE WHOLE IDEA OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. REMEMBER, THIS IS OUR SIGN PARKING, UH, SIGN DEPARTMENT. SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE, WE CAN LOOK TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY PRODUCE. YOU COME BACK, CAN DO A PORT RESIN ONE. PROBABLY NOT MUCH DIFFERENT IS IT TO MOLD? YOU JUST KEEP POUR IN. BUT WE DON'T HAVE BUT TOUCHING IT. YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT WAS PLASTIC. YEAH. WELL, WE DON'T HAVE SIGNS WITH RAY'S LETTERING IN THIS CITY. YEAH. AT AT LEAST THEY'RE ALL CONSISTENT. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SPECIFICS FOR THE PROPERTY OR ADDRESS. SO IT'S A, IT'S A CONSISTENT DESIGN THAT'S JUST REPEATED. IT LIKELY COULD BE A, A PLASTIC DISC WITH VINYL LETTERING, YOU KNOW. FANCY. WE'LL COME BACK WITH ONE MORE DETAILS ON THAT. AND THEN BEFORE WE CONCLUDE, I JUST WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UM, JOHN STEWART'S LAST MEETING. THANK HIM FOR HIS WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. HE, WE NEED HIM NEXT MONTH BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A VOTE OR ELSE WE'LL BE IN A I KNOW. WELL, UM, THE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING HE COULD REMAIN SERVING. NO. UM, HIS TERM ENDED, UM, LAST YEAR. HE DID NOT WISH TO SEEK REAPPOINTMENT. HE CAN, HE CAN, UM, SERVE THROUGH, UM, THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY. RIGHT? IT'S UP TO 60 DAYS. OKAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS MARCH. YEAH. UNFORTUNATELY IT MAY HAVE BEEN AT ONE TIME, MARCH. UH, SO I JUST WANNA THANK JOHN FOR HIS DEDICATED ER DEDICATION AND SERVICE FOR AS MANY YEARS, UM, ON THE BOARD HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S BEEN AN HONOR AND TO SERVE WITH YOU ALL. AND I LEARNED SO MUCH EVERY TIME WE GO THROUGH THESE, UH, PROCESSES TOGETHER. AND I WISH YOU ALL THE, ALL THE BEST UNTANGLING AND, UH, KEEPING PRESERVATION ALIVE. UNTANGLING THE, THE WORK. THANK YOU. LET'S, LET'S HAVE A BIG HAND FOR JOHN. YEAH. NOW YOU CAN ALL THANK YOU. AND NOW YOU CAN ALL CALL ME. JOHN. HAVE YOU MADE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOUR SUCCESSOR? YES. YES. OKAY, GOOD. I WAS LIKE, DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY LINED UP? YES. YES I HAVE. I HAVE. YES. THANK YOU. YES. SO I WILL CONCLUDE THE MEETING. AND THE NEXT MEETING IS ON MARCH 17TH. RIGHT? I DIDN'T, COULD I [6. HPB25-0669, 4441 Collins Avenue – Fontainebleau Hotel.] ASK WHEN IS THE FONT BLUE COMING BACK? I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE CONTRA. NO, NO. FOUNTAIN BLUE IS NOT, SO THE DEFERRAL ALLOWS HIM TO COME BACK AT A FUTURE DATE UP TO ONE YEAR FROM TODAY'S DATE. SO WE HAVE NO IDEA WHEN THEY'D BE BACK. CORRECT. OKAY. I THOUGHT I HEARD JUNE AND I DIDN'T KNOW HOW, WHERE THAT CAME. IT HAS NOT BEEN SET YET. OKAY. I THINK THE EARLIEST. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT, THAT CONCLUDES THE MEETING. MARCH WAS, UH, TEENTH, WAS THAT AGAIN? TEENTH ON MARCH MEETING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.