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UH, I HOPE NO APRIL FOOLS JOKES FROM COMMISSIONER.
ANY, ANY LAME COMMISSIONER JOKES FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE? I AM, UM, JOINED BY COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE AND COMMISSIONER BOT AT TODAY'S LAND USE AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE.
UM, BEFORE WE PROCEED, DOES THE CITY ATTORNEY HAVE ANY NOTICES TO MAKE SURE.
TODAY'S MEETING OF THE LAND USE AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE WILL BE CONDUCTED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH THE COMMITTEE PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AT MIAMI BEACH CITY HALL, AND, UH, APPLICANT STAFF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM.
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[DEFERRALS]
ATTORNEY TOM, MR. PLAN, DIRECTOR, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE TODAY'S AGENDA? UH, JUST THREE.UH, MR. CHAIR FIRST, UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS THE NORTH BEACH WATER QUALITY.
UM, PARKVIEW CANAL REPORT IS BEING DEFERRED TO A FUTURE DATE ITEM NUMBER NINE.
JUST CURIOUS, TOM, IS THAT REPORT READY? UH, THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, THE, UM, DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE HANDLING IT BECAUSE THE SPONSOR DEFERRED IT.
UM, THEY DIDN'T PREPARE ANYTHING FOR THIS MEETING, SO YEAH, COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ IS NOT HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS SOONER I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT REPORT.
UH, ITEM NUMBER NINE IS MONTHLY UPDATES ON HISTORIC HOTEL REDEVELOPMENT ON COLLINS AVENUE BETWEEN 14TH AND 20TH STREET.
THIS IS ALSO BEING DEFERRED TO A FUTURE DATE.
THEN FINALLY, UM, THE ITEM REGARDING DEDICATED BUS LANES IN WASHINGTON AVENUE IS BEING DEFERRED TO A FUTURE DATE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO SET THE AGENDA? I'LL MAKE A MOTION AS AMENDED.
[2. REVIEW EXISTING FENCING REQUIREMENTS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FOR VACANT AND ABANDONED PROPERTIES, AS WELL AS CONSTRUCTION SITES; AND CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO STREAMLINE THE EXISTING REQUIREMENTS FOR APPLICANTS AND PROPERTY OWNERS (DUAL REFERRAL TO THE PLANNING BOARD)]
TOM, CAN YOU PLEASE READ INTO THE RECORD ITEM NUMBER TWO? OKAY.ITEM NUMBER TWO IS REVIEW EXISTING FENCING REQUIREMENTS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FOR VACANT AND ABANDONED ABANDONED PROPERTIES, AS WELL AS CONSTRUCTION SITES AND CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO STREAMLINE THE EXISTING REQUIREMENTS FOR APPLICANTS AND PROPERTY OWNERS.
THIS WAS A DUAL REFERRAL TO THE PLANNING BOARD COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE.
COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, UH, TOM, AND, AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN GIVE ME A LITTLE GUIDANCE HERE.
MY INITIAL THOUGHT FOR THIS WAS IN PREPARATION FOR THE WORLD CUP OF WANTING THIS CITY TO LOOK AS AMAZING AS POSSIBLE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SOME SITES THAT JUST WON'T BE, UH, FULLY ACTIVATED, BUT I THOUGHT, WOW, MAYBE WE COULD AT LEAST AESTHETICALLY MAKE THEM LOOK BETTER.
UH, HOW TO DO SO WAS AROUND FENCING.
IF I LOOK AT ONE PRIME EXAMPLE, UH, WOULD BE ON LINCOLN ROAD, UH, ONE OF OUR PRIME CORRIDORS.
THAT'LL PROBABLY BE ONE OF THE MOST TRAVERSE PLACES IN ALL OF THE UNITED STATES.
UH, THERE'S TWO CONSTRUCTION SITES RIGHT NOW WITH, UH, THIS FENCING, UH, WITH JUST GREEN FENCING, AND IT'S RIPPED.
THAT IS NOT THE IMPRESSION I'M GOING TO GIVE FOR THE CITY AND, UH, EXTRAPOLATE THAT TOWARDS ANY OTHER SITE.
UM, MY VISION WAS TO HAVE SOME OF THESE MORE DECORATIVE, UH, HIGHER QUALITY FENCINGS.
NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT IS A POSSIBILITY IF A, UH, PROJECT OWNER OR LANDOWNER WOULD BE SO WILLING TO DO SO, PARTICULARLY IF THEY HAD AN EXCITING NEW PROJECT THAT WAS COMING UP, IT'D BE A GREAT WAY TO, UH, SHOW THAT FORWARD DURING, UH, HIGHLY TRAVELED TIME.
BUT RIGHT NOW, UNLESS YOU HAVE PERMITS OR DESIGNS IN PLACE, OUR FENCING REQUIREMENT IS JUST, YOU NEED THE CHAIN LINK FENCE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S ACTUALLY, IF I COULD JUST EXPLAIN BRIEFLY, THERE'S TWO TYPES OF FENCES FOR VACANT LOTS.
IF YOU HAVE A CONSTRUCTION SITE AND IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR A CONSTRUCTION SITE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF BUILDING PERMIT, THEN THOSE TYPES OF FENCES ALLOW FOR EITHER A SOLID WOOD FENCE, A CHAIN LINK FENCE, BUT IF YOU'RE IN A MULTI-FAMILY OR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, YOU HAVE TO PUT DECORATIVE ARTISTIC TYPES OF WRAPS ON IT LIKE WE DO WITH THE FENCE ON OUR HOTEL SITE.
SO SOME OF THE, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I HAD IN MIND FOR THIS.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY REQUIRED UNDER THE CODE.
NOW, I THINK SOME OF THE SITES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON LINCOLN ROAD, SPECIFICALLY LINCOLN AND DREXEL, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT, BUT IF THEY DO HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT, THEY'RE CLEARLY IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE BECAUSE THE FENCE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE THAT.
SO WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS ORDINANCE THOUGH, IS THE SITES THAT MAY NOT HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT YET.
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UH, WHERE I LIVE ON ALTON ROAD, RIGHT.THERE'S JUST SURFACE LOTS THAT ARE OF NO USE AND THEY JUST HAVE GREEN FENCING.
EVEN IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WITH THE DECORATIVE FENCING, UH, THE HIGHER QUALITY FENCING, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT AN ACTIVE BUILDING PERMIT, THEY WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO DO SO.
THAT GETS ME TO THE NEXT POINT, WHICH ARE VACANT LOTS THAT DON'T HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT AND ARE NOT A CONSTRUCTION SITE.
THOSE SITES TECHNICALLY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN ALUMINUM PICKET FENCE WITH A MINIMAL LANDSCAPE BUFFER FOR AESTHETIC PURPOSES.
AND SO THOSE SITES ALSO ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN UPGRADED TYPE OF FENCE AND NOT JUST A CHEAP CHAIN LINK FENCE OR SOMETHING WITH, WITH GREEN MESH.
AND, AND I GUESS I DON'T WANT TO FORCE THIS, UH, RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S THE THOUGHT, OKAY, THE, THESE ARE HIGHER COSTS YOU'RE IMPOSING THAT IT'LL ACTUALLY SLOW DOWN PROGRESS.
BUT FOR PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO, THAT OWN THESE, AND PERHAPS THERE'S A PROJECT KIND OF YEARS DOWN THE LINE, UH, AND THEY WANTED TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S THINGS WE COULD DO TO ENCOURAGE AND SANITIZE THAT, PROVIDE THIS DECORATIVE FENCING, AT LEAST GIVE THEM THE OPTIONALITY TO DO SO.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE I WAS LOOKING TO LAND THIS ORDINANCE.
YEAH, WE COULD DEFINITELY, UM, MODIFY THE TEXT THAT WE HAVE, UM, THE DRAFT TEXT THAT WE CAME UP WITH TO INCLUDE A PROVISION TO ALLOW VACANT LOTS TO HAVE SOMETHING OTHER THAN JUST AN ALUMINUM PICKET FENCE.
SO IF A VACANT LOT IN, SAY, A COMMERCIAL OR MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT INSTEAD OF AN ALUMINUM PICKET FENCE, WANTED TO UTILIZE A FENCE WITH THOSE DECORATIVE GRAPHICS ON IT, WHICH IS I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GETTING TO, YES, WE COULD DEFINITELY WRITE THAT INTO THESE REGULATIONS THAT'S NOT IN THE REGULATIONS NOW, BUT WE COULD DEFINITELY WRITE THAT IN AND, AND APOLOGIES IS, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT SINCE WE REVIEWED THIS, UH, TOGETHER, BUT TELL ME WHAT THIS ORDINANCE AS RIDDEN DOES.
SO WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES IS IT CREATES A, UH, PROVISION FOR THOSE SITES THAT DEMOLISH A BUILDING AND BECOME A VACANT LOT TO KEEP THEIR CONSTRUCTION FENCE FOR UP TO A YEAR.
UM, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW SOMEBODY TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF FENCE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT APPLIES TO DEMOLITION PERMITS, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING IT, EXPANDING IT TO BEYOND JUST DEMOLITION PERMITS YEP.
OR JUST ON DEMOLITION PERMITS AND VACANT LOTS.
DEMOLITION PERMITS AND VACANT LOTS.
SOUND GOOD? SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
AND AGAIN, THIS ISN'T IMPOSING ANY COST THAT SOMEBODY WOULDN'T VOLUNTARILY WANNA BEAR.
'CAUSE I KNOW IT JUST ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE A NICER OFFENSE UP PER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.
WHY, WHY WOULD THEY WANT, WHY WOULD WE WANT TO HAVE TO LEAVE IT UP FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME? WELL, IT, IT'S NOT LEAVE IT UP FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, IT'S JUST THE FENCE IS GONNA BE UP AS LONG AS THE FENCE IS.
BUT RIGHT NOW, LET'S SAY THERE WAS A, A DEMOLITION OR A VACANT LOT, LIKE LET'S USE THE OLD, UM, HOST, UM, THE HOSTEL THAT'S BEING DEMOLISHED ON WEST.
STEPHANIE, LET'S USE THAT FOR AN EXAMPLE.
UH, SO LET'S SAY THAT'S WHERE 1250 WAS GOING TO BE BUILT, RIGHT.
UM, SOMETHING'S GONNA BE BUILT THERE, RIGHT? BUT LET'S SAY IN THE FUTURE, THAT'S WHERE THAT, UH, CONDO WAS GOING TO BE BUILT.
RIGHT NOW, AFTER THEY DEMOLISHED BIKINI HOSTEL, IT WOULDN'T ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THE HIGH CLASS, HIGH QUALITY DECORATIVE SIGN UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY HAD A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THEIR NEW PROJECT.
THEY WOULD JUST HAVE THE ALUMINUM CAST FENCE HERE.
THIS WOULD ESSENTIALLY, WHILE THEY'RE WORKING TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT, THEY HAVE THE HIGHER QUALITY FENCE.
I, I'M TOTALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, BUT TOM, WHY, WHY WAS THIS, IS THIS JUST A, UM, A MIS THOUGHT WHEN THIS ORIGINALLY, WHEN THIS ORDINANCE WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED, WHEN THIS WA WHEN THIS ORDINANCE WAS FINE TUNED ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, THE THOUGHT PROCESS AT THE TIME WAS THAT FOR VACANT LOTS WHERE THERE WAS NO, UH, FORESEEABLE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT SHOULD CONSIST OF, UH, AN ALUMINUM PICKET TYPE OF BARRIER WITH LANDSCAPING.
UM, AND THAT THE, UM, TYPE OF FENCE WHERE YOU WOULD PUT THOSE ARTISTIC GRAPHICS WOULD BE LIMITED TO CONSTRUCTION SITES.
UM, SO I THINK WHAT THE PROPOSAL HERE IS, IS TO EXPAND THE ALLOWANCE FOR THE ARTISTIC GRAPHICS TO NOT JUST VACANT, NOT JUST CONSTRUCTION SITES, BUT TO VACANT LOTS.
I THINK A GREAT EXAMPLE IS WHERE THE MEDUSA SITE IS PERHAPS GOING TO GO, I, I DON'T KNOW, UH, THE FEASIBILITY THERE, BUT RIGHT NEXT TO THE CHURCH ON LINCOLN ROAD, THERE'S A PLAN IN PLACE.
IT WENT TO THE PLANNING BOARD, BUT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE'S NO BUILDING PERMIT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
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IT, THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST TRAVELED SITES IN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE IN TO THESE STEEL PILLARS THAT ARE IN THE GROUND.AND IT'S EMBARRASSING THAT THAT'S ON LINCOLN ROAD, AT LEAST HERE.
WHILE YOU WOULD HAVE A VACANT SITE, THINK ABOUT THE FENCING THAT THE, UM, CONVENTION CENTER HOTEL HAD THAT WOULD LOOK A HECK OF A LOT BETTER FRONTING LINCOLN ROAD THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE NOW.
MY MY, IT'S NOT REALLY A CONCERN, BUT JUST, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, THERE IS THIS PARTICULAR LOT SOUTH OF FIFTH.
IT'S, UH, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL LOT.
IT'S ON SECOND AND MERIDIAN, UM, AND ACROSS FROM THE COURTS, LIKE CA, CADDY CORNER? NO, IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S BETWEEN SECOND, NO, IT'S ON SECOND STREET BETWEEN MERIDIAN AND I BELIEVE, UM, JEFFERSON.
AND IT'S BEEN EMPTY FOR I THINK 15 YEARS.
UM, AND IT'S, IT IS A CHAIN LINK FENCE, AND IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY NICE BECAUSE IT'S ALL GREEN AND YOU CAN SEE THROUGH IT AND IT'S, YOU, YOU SEE GREEN SPACE.
I WONDER IF SOMEONE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY, WHOEVER OWNS IT NOW AND THEN PUTS A REALLY NICE FENCE THERE TO BE ABLE TO SELL THE PROPERTY BETTER.
BUT BY DOING SO, YOU KIND OF REMOVE THAT SORT OF GREEN, UH, AESTHETIC WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU WOULD WALK BY AND JUST SEE GREEN SPACE INSTEAD OF A VERY THICK FENCE.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
BETWEEN NOW AND THE COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO BY AND CHECK IT OUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST USED AS A MARKETING.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S GOOD OR BAD, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS, THAT IS SOMETHING TO JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE CHAIN LINK FENCES ON ONE HAND YEAH.
YOU DO LOOK THROUGH 'EM AND YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, UNSIGHTLY REBAR, BUT ON, ON SOME SITUATIONS YOU JUST SEE REALLY NICE GREENERY AND LANDSCAPING.
AND, AND TOM, MAYBE YOU COULD GIVE SOME GUIDANCE AND MAYBE ALL OF US COULD WEIGH IN, IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE RULER OR THE EXCEPTION, RIGHT? UH, LIKE ACROSS THE CITY, I'M JUST THINKING WHERE I LIVE, RIGHT? ON ALTON ROAD, RUSSELL HAS ON, UH, WHAT, SEVENTH AND ALTON.
AND YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH AT GOD KNOWS WHO'S PARKING IN THERE AND THAT'S LOT.
RIGHT? AND PERHAPS THAT'S ACTUALLY MORE COMMON FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THIS IS MORE LIKE COMMERCIAL SITES THAT I'M ENVISIONING THIS IS RPS ONE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO IT FOR WE
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER THOUGHT IS PERHAPS, UM, WHAT COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE IS PROPOSING WOULD BE LIMITED TO COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS WHERE I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGER ISSUE.
AND SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT TO COMMISSIONER SUAREZ'S POINT IS THAT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE WENT WITH THE ALUMINUM PICKET OPTION, PARTICULARLY IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO SEE THROUGH RIGHT, EXACTLY.
SO POLICE COULD SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE, AND SO PEOPLE WOULDN'T START TO, UM, OCCUPY THE SPACE AND NOBODY CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO YEAH, LIKE, LIKE YOU DO IT WITH THE RALEIGH, RIGHT? YEP.
I MEAN, THAT'S A, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL FENCE, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE BEYOND IT.
AND IF THERE'S AND CONSTRUCTION GOING ON.
AND I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA PUT THAT IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE BEYOND IT.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S OPTIONALITY HERE.
I DON'T THINK SOMEBODY WOULD CHOOSE TO SPEND ALL THIS MONEY FOR THE HIGHER END FENCE FOR A RESIDENTIAL SPOT.
YOU KNOW, IT'D BE SOMEBODY THAT HAS A RESTAURANT COMING OR HAS A HOTEL OR A CONDOMINIUM PROJECT COMING AND THEY WOULD, BUT THEY COULD PUT LIKE MARKETING MATERIAL ON THE FENCE IF THEY, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IT'S, IT LOOKS MORE MARKETABLE.
IT'S JUST, BUT THINK ABOUT LIKE THE GRAND HYATT HOTEL.
SO I'M FINE IN BETWEEN THIS READING, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULD THINK ABOUT WAYS TO MINIMIZE IT IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
I THINK GIVEN IT'S OPTIONAL AND NOT FORCED, THERE'S ALREADY GOING TO BE LACK OF INCENTIVE FOR SOMEBODY TO DO THIS AROUND A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA FIRM THAT UP A LITTLE BIT, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
SO I'LL, UH, DO YOU WANT THIS TO, THIS WAS A DUAL REFERRAL, SO DO YOU WANT THIS TO COME BACK TO YOU OR DO YOU WANT US TO DRAFT THE ORDINANCE AND BRING IT TO PLANNING BOARD SO THAT THE PLANNING BOARD YEAH.
DRAFT THE ORDINANCE, BRING TO THE PLANNING BOARD, THEN TO COMMISSION.
I'LL SHOW THAT DONE BY ACCLIMATION.
NOW WE'RE ON, WHILE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC OF, UM, BUILDING PERMITS, UM, LET'S
[3. DISCUSS AND REVIEW PLANNING/ZONING RESTRICTIONS THAT DELAY THE PERMIT PROCESS AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS.]
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NUMBER THREE IS, UM, DISCUSS AND REVIEW PLANNING AND ZONING RESTRICTIONS THAT DELAY THE PERMIT PROCESS AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS.I BELIEVE THAT'S MY ITEM, TOM, IF YOU CAN SURE.
GIVE US THE PUBLIC OF WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND.
YEAH, THIS WAS, UH, THE LAST TIME THIS WAS DISCUSSED BY THE, UM, LAND USE COMMITTEE WAS, UM, ON MAY 8TH OF MAY 8TH OF LAST YEAR, 2025.
UM, AND THEY HAD DISCUSSED, IT'S BEEN A YEAR, SO IT'S BEEN A YEAR.
I'LL BE HAVING SOME GOOD STUFF.
AND SO, UM, AT THAT TIME WE HAD COME UP WITH SOME, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE LDRS THAT WE FELT COULD HELP STREAMLINE AND SIMPLIFY THE PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS AS WELL AS THE REGULATORY REVIEW PROCESS.
UM, AND THESE INCLUDE, AND THE, THE TEXT IS IN THE, UM, IN THE LAND USE COMMITTEE MEMO INCLUDES, UH, AMENDING THE REQUIRED SETBACKS FOR THE SECOND FLOOR OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN ORDER TO FURTHER SIMPLIFY THE REGULATIONS, UM, MODIFYING THE HABITABLE PROJECTIONS, UM, FOR ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL, PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE PROJECTS WHERE THEY'RE RETAINING A HOME AND WANT TO, AND WANT TO DO AN ADDITION.
UM, WE HAD ALSO COME UP WITH SOME CONCEPTS FOR, UM, KIND OF MORE AGGRESSIVE MODIFICATIONS, WHICH WOULD INVOLVE THINGS LIKE THE CALCULATION OF UNIT SIZE, THE CALCULATION OF LOT COVERAGE AT THE TIME THE LAND USE COMMITTEE, UH, DIDN'T RECOMMEND IN FAVOR OF THOSE.
AND THEY LIMITED THEIR, UM, DIRECTION TO COME UP WITH THESE OPTIONS HERE.
CAN YOU GO OVER THE MORE AGGRESSIVE QUOTE UNQUOTE OPTIONS? SURE.
RIGHT NOW, WHEN, UH, FOR INSTANCE, WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, WHEN SOMEONE IS DESIGNING EITHER IN ADDITION TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UM, A WIDE ARRAY OF REGULATIONS THAT INVOLVE THINGS LIKE THE MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE, WHICH IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE, UM, THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, THE MINIMUM ELEVATION AS MEASURED FROM FREEBOARD SETBACKS, UM, MINIMUM OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS IN BOTH THE FRONT YARD AND A REAR YARD.
AND THEN THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THOSE REGULATIONS TO ALLOW CERTAIN TYPES OF PROJECTIONS.
AND THE REGULATIONS ARE DESIGNED TO FACILITATE MODERN HOMES THAT ARE LARGER AND TALLER, BUT HAVE A LOT OF MOVEMENT IN THEM SO THAT YOU DON'T GET A BIG, BLOCKY TYPE OF BUILDING.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MY STAFF HAS LOOKED AT IS WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO SIGNIFICANTLY SIMPLIFY THOSE REGULATIONS AND BASICALLY CREATE A BOX FOR AN ARCHITECT TO DESIGN A HOME.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY SPEED UP THE REGULATIONS BECAUSE AS LONG AS THE BY BOX, BASICALLY BY, UM, INCORPORATING MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND CURRENT HEIGHT LIMITS, YOU WOULD BE PROVIDING THE NECESSARY SPACE IN BETWEEN PROPERTIES AS WELL AS THE NECESSARY OPEN SPACE THAT IS NEEDED FOR ONSITE WATER RETENTION AND DRAINAGE.
BUT REALLY LEAVING IT UP TO THE ARCHITECT TO DESIGN A HOME TO THEIR, THEIR CLIENT'S WISHES.
AND BY LIMITING THE OVERALL HEIGHT AND THE VOLUME OF THE HOME TO SPECIFIC SETBACKS, BUT NOT HAVING MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THINGS LIKE OPEN SPACE OR ADDITIONAL SETBACKS, OR YOU CAN PROJECT A CERTAIN WAY INTO CERTAIN SETBACKS THAT COULD SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, SIMPLIFY THE REVIEW PROCESS AND SPEED UP THE PERMITTING BY, BY HOW MUCH AT THE TIME.
UM, WE WERE LOOKING AT IT PRIMARILY FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT.
UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IS WHAT TYPICALLY TAKES THE LONGEST TIME FOR PLANNING TO REVIEW BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY OF THE REGULATIONS.
SO OUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS IF WE COULD SIMPLIFY THOSE REGULATIONS, IT WOULD MAKE IT FASTER FOR THE REVIEWER TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME REVIEW.
AND WHAT WAS THE CONCERNS? UH, THE COMMITTEE LAST, I THINK THE PRIMARY CONCERN IS THAT, UM, YOU'D BE RELYING ON GOOD ARCHITECTS.
AND OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ARE DESIGNED, UNFORTUNATELY FOR BAD ARCHITECTS.
SO WE, WE CAN'T TELL A HOMEOWNER WHO TO HIRE TO DESIGN EITHER THEIR ADDITION OR THEIR NEW HOME, AND THEY COULD HIRE A REALLY GOOD ARCHITECT THAT CAN COME UP WITH A REALLY GOOD DESIGN, AND IT DOESN'T REALLY NEED TO BE OVERREGULATED, BUT SOMEONE ELSE COULD HIRE A CIVIL ENGINEER WHO BASICALLY IS GONNA DESIGN FOUR WALLS WITH SOME WINDOW OPENINGS, BASICALLY A BOX.
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AND IF YOU START TO GET A LOT OF THOSE, THAT COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE SCALE, CHARACTER AND CONTEXT OF AN AREA.SO IT'S THAT BALANCE THAT I THINK THE COMMITTEE HAD A CONCERN WITH LAST TIME IN TERMS OF GIVING SO MUCH LATITUDE TO THE ARCHITECT OR THE ENGINEER THAT THE HOMEOWNER MAY CHOOSE TO DESIGN THE HOME.
SO THE REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE NOW ARE DESIGNED, ARE IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE EXACTLY WHAT HIGH QUALITY DESIGN.
UM, AND SO THAT BEING SAID, YOU THE, AFTER A YEAR, YOU'VE COME BACK WITH, WITH, UH, CAN YOU REPEAT THE, SO THE REGULATIONS THAT WE HAD, UH, THAT WE HAD COME UP WITH INCLUDE MODIFICATIONS TO THE REQUIRED SETBACKS FOR THE SECOND FLOOR OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN ORDER TO SIMPLIFY THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
RIGHT NOW, UM, UH, 35% OF THE SECOND FLOOR IS, UM, REQUIRED TO BE SET BACK FROM THE FRONT ELEVATION, UM, A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET.
AND TO PROVIDE MORE FLEXIBILITY, WE SUGGESTED THAT 35% OF THE ENCLOSED SECOND FLOOR BE SET BACK A MINIMUM OF 35 FEET FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
THAT WAY IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO GIVE ADDITIONAL SETBACK TO THE ENTIRETY OF THE BUILDING WITHOUT STEPPING BACK TO THE SECOND FLOOR, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, AND THEN THAT WOULD ALSO APPLY TO THE STREET SIDE ELEVATION.
AND THEN ON THE HABITABLE PROJECTIONS FOR ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT HOMES, UM, WE'VE SUGGESTED THAT ONE OR TWO STORY ADDITIONS BE ALLOWED TO FOLLOW THE EXISTING BUILDING LINE AS LONG AS THERE'S A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET.
AND SO THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE WITH EXISTING HOMES TO DO, UM, ADDITIONS, WHETHER THEY'RE A ONE STORY LINEAR ADDITION OR A TWO STORY ADDITION.
SO I GUESS WHAT, WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE COME BACK TO US IS A VERY, VERY WATERED DOWN PROPOSAL OF, UM, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN APPETITE TO REDISCUSS SOME OF THE MORE, YOU KNOW, AGGRESSIVE, UM, REGULATION RESTRICTIONS OR REDUCTIONS THAT THE PLANNING DIRECTOR HAS, UM, ISSUED.
BUT I MEAN, I LOOK, I YEAH, I GET IT.
ON ONE HAND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KIND OF FORCE PEOPLE TO HAVE, I GUESS, A MUCH BETTER DESIGNED HOME.
UM, BUT ON THE OTHER TIME AND TIME AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS IS, IS REALLY CUMBERSOME IN MIAMI BEACH.
AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT, THAT IS A, PEOPLE WONDER WHY CONTRACTORS DON'T WANNA WORK ON MIAMI BEACH OR ARCHITECTS 'CAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
AND IT ENDED UP COSTING THE HOMEOWNERS A LOT OF MONEY TO, TO, TO HIRE THESE CONTRACTORS.
BUT ON ONE HAND, YEAH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE BASICALLY FORCE A DESIGN THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH.
I MEAN, SO I DON'T KNOW MY COLLEAGUES.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, TOM? I, I'LL SAY, WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE GRANULAR DETAILS, IF WE DON'T IMPROVE THIS PROCESS, THIS WILL BE THE NEXT THING THAT THE STATE TAKES OUT OF OUR HANDS.
AND THERE'S SOMEBODY I, I KNOW DIRECTLY BECAUSE HE TOLD ME, AND IT WAS LITTERED WITH A LOT OF F WORDS IN BETWEEN, SO I WON'T REPEAT IT, BUT HE GOES, THIS IS SOMEBODY INCREDIBLY INFLUENTIAL, HAS THREE LOTS ON SUNSET THAT HE'S LOOKING TO BUILD.
HE GOES, AGAIN, I'M LEAVING OUT THE F WORDS THAT I WAS THE RECIPIENT OF.
I CALLED THE GOVERNOR AND I SAID, YOU NEED TO TAKE THIS PERMITTING PROCESS OUT OF THE HANDS OF A LOT OF MORE F-WORD DOWN IN MIAMI BEACH.
RIGHT? AND I GET THE ARGUMENT OF, OKAY, WE WANT TO HAVE THESE STRINGENT STANDARDS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ARE THREE LOTS ON SUNSET ISLAND GOING FOR A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.
THIS GUY'S MAKING A PRETTY BIG INVESTMENT.
I THINK HE HAS A PRETTY ALIGNED INCENTIVE TO HAVE PRETTY HIGH ARCHITECTURAL AND DESIGN STANDARDS WITHOUT US PLAYING NANNY AND GRANNY STATE.
YOU, YOU MAKE UP A GOOD, BRING UP A GOOD POINT, COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE.
THAT RIGHT NOW, I GUESS WHEN THIS REGULATION TOM WAS ADOPTED, IT WAS MANY YEARS AGO, RIGHT? AND YEAH, THE PROPERTY VALUES AT THE TIME WERE PROBABLY NOT WHERE THEY ARE TODAY.
THEY'RE PROBABLY QUADRUPLED CORRECT OR MORE THAN THAT.
I, I THINK IF YOU'RE BUYING PROPERTY IN MIAMI BEACH, YOU'RE NOT GONNA JUST BUILD A BOX, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA, IT'S GONNA COST YOU AN ARM AND A LEG TO BUY THE LOT OR THE, THE PROPERTY AND THEN, UM, BUILD IT SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU, THAT, THAT SHOULD BE BEAUTIFUL.
UH, COMMISSIONER BOT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS? UM, WE SEE PEOPLE BUILDING BOXES ALL THE TIME.
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I, I AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT OF HOW DO WE SIMPLIFY OUR REGULATIONS? HOW DO WE STREAMLINE THE PROCESS? I'VE HAD EXPERIENCES HEARING FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE FRUSTRATED, BUT I'VE ALSO HAD EXPERIENCES WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE BUILDERS, WHO ARE ARCHITECTS WHO SAY IT'S VERY SIMPLE.YOU JUST FOLLOW THE RULES AND THERE ARE NO ISSUES.
SO MY VIEW WOULD BE TO, INSTEAD OF TINKERING WITH WHAT IS, TAKE A STEP BACK, TAKE A LOOK AT THE CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS.
I MEAN, WE DIDN'T USED TO HAVE PEOPLE BUYING MULTIPLE, UM, LOTS AND AGGREGATING THEM AND SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGING THE SCALE AND THE CONTEXT OF A COMMUNITY.
UM, AND IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION THAT OUR CITY IS GOING IN, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE, THE LAWS THAT WE HAVE IN THE BOOKS DON'T REALLY CONTEMPLATE THAT PROPERLY.
UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, TWEAKING THINGS WITH A LITTLE BIT OF BUBBLEGUM AND BAILING WIRE, WHEN REALLY WE SHOULD TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK HOLISTICALLY AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE HERE AND HOW DO WE PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY? UM, BECAUSE IT, IT IS OKAY TO NOT BE A MEGA MILLIONAIRE AND STILL LIVE IN MIAMI BEACH.
YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, LIVE IN THE SHADOW OF THIS HULKING MEGA STRUCTURE.
YOU SHOULD ALSO BE ALLOWED TO BUILD THE HOME THAT YOU WANT IF YOU'RE BUYING THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S MY POSITION.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A STEP BACK, LOOK HOLISTICALLY REINVENT FROM SCRATCH AS OPPOSED TO TWEAKING, UM, AND DOING THINGS BY HALF MEASURES SO THAT WE AFFORD THE COMMUNITIES, THE NEIGHBORS, THE PROTECTION OF CHARACTER OF PLACE, WHILE ALSO MAKING IT EASIER TO ENSURE THAT WE GET GOOD DESIGN ON LARGER SCALE HOMES.
WELL, UM, TOM, I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOUR OFFICE HAS WORKED ON, RIGHT? AND THE INSTRUCTION, OR THE REFERRAL TO YOU WAS TO COME UP WITH WAYS TO LOWER THE REGULATION PROCESS.
UM, AND WITHOUT HAVING TO GO START FROM SCRATCH, WOULD YOU START HERE? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD DO TO HELP WITH THE REGULATION? THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE BEGINNING, HOW MUCH TIME AND EFFORT WILL THIS SAVE A HOMEOWNER WHO IS IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING A HOME? YEAH.
THI THIS REFERRAL WAS, UM, REVIEW OPTIONS, COME UP WITH OPTIONS THAT CAN ADDRESS WHAT IS CURRENTLY CAUSING DELAYS IN THE PERMIT PROCESS RESTRICTIONS THAT DELAY THE PERMIT PROCESS.
AND SO IN LOOKING AT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AS ALL OF YOU HAVE CORRECTLY STATED, IT'S A BALANCE.
I MEAN, GOING BACK TO THE LATE NINETIES, THERE WAS VIRTUALLY NO REGULATION ON SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
IT WAS BASICALLY JUST, THERE WAS NO MAXIMUM HEIGHT.
YOU COULD BUILD THREE STORIES AS LONG AS YOU MET THE SETBACKS.
AND THEN THERE STARTED TO BECOME A PROBLEM WITH WHAT WE COMMONLY REFER TO AS MONSTER HOMES OR MCMANSIONS.
AND THEN THAT'S WHEN WE HAD OUR FIRST REAL SET OF SUBSTANTIVE SINGLE FAMILY REGULATIONS.
AND THEY'VE JUST SORT OF BEEN BUILT UPON SINCE THEN.
UM, SO, BUT WHY, SO WHY WOULD YOU RECOMMEND SOMETHING THAT KIND OF GOES BACK TO THAT? OR DOES THAT DO OR DOES YOUR PROPOSAL DO THAT? IT DOES THAT, BUT IT ALSO CREATES, UM, BOUNDARIES.
SO SOMEBODY'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO JUST BUILD WHATEVER THEY WANT.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CAP WHAT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WOULD BE, CAP WHAT THE SETBACKS WOULD BE.
SO YOU WON'T GET ANYTHING THAT IS MORE SIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF BULK AND MASSING OR HEIGHT THAN YOU GET NOW.
BUT WHAT YOU COULD END UP WITH ARE HOMES THAT, PARTICULARLY A NEW HOME THAT'S GOING NEXT TO A MUCH OLDER HOME, WE GET THIS A LOT NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 50 PLUS YEARS COMPLAINING ABOUT A NEW HOME.
AND NEW HOMES ARE JUST BIGGER AND TALLER.
THEY HAVE TO BE BUILT HIGHER, BUT THAT'S, AND THAT'S JUST, BUT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ANYWAYS.
NO, BUT BY FURTHER, UH, LOOSENING THE REGULATIONS AND RELYING ON THE ARCHITECT TO BASICALLY COME UP WITH WAYS THAT ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THE IMPACT OF A NEW HOME ON A NEIGHBOR, UM, WE'RE SORT OF TAKING THAT OUT OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY AND RELYING ON AN ARCHITECT.
SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT COULD WE ADDRESS TO REDUCE THE IMPACT OF A NEIGHBOR THAT THIS LED, THAT THIS PROPOSAL MIGHT TAKE AWAY WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF REALLY MAKING A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT IT TAKES TO REVIEW A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
IT'S A PRETTY RADICAL CHANGE TO THE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
AND IT WOULD BASICALLY BE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF CREATING A MINIMUM SETBACK, MINIMUM
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OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, MAXIMUM HEIGHT, BUT GIVING THE HOMEOWNER AND THE ARCHITECT THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITHIN THAT BOX.AND THAT, BUT HOW DOES THAT, HOW IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT NOW? WELL, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF REGULATIONS.
WHEN YOU HAVE A MULTI-STORY HOME, THERE'S MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
IF THE HOME IS LONGER THAN 60 FEET IN LENGTH, THERE'S SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO SIMPLIFY A LITTLE BIT HERE.
THERE'S RESTRICTIONS ON HOW FAR YOU CAN PROJECT CERTAIN THINGS FROM THE MAIN HOME.
THERE'S MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, OPEN SPACE FOR PERVIOUS AREA.
THOSE COULD STILL BE KEPT IN SOME WAY, BUT WHEN YOU FACTOR IN THE DIFFERENT LIMITATIONS ON SAY, ROOF DECKS, UH, ALLOWABLE PROJECTIONS, UM, ALLOWABLE HEIGHT EXCEPTIONS, ALL OF THOSE CREATE A LEVEL OF REVIEW THAT IS SOMEWHAT LENGTHY.
AND IF TOM CAN, CAN I STOP YOU THERE? DON'T, WE HAVE A PRETTY FINITE SUBSET OF ARCHITECTS IN THE CITY, RIGHT? THE THINGS THAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING THERE, TELL ME THEY COULD BE A PAIN IN THE REAR HAVING TO NAVIGATE THAT, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW THAT PROLONGS THE PERMIT PROCESS, RIGHT? IF ARCHITECT A, B, AND C WHO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SMALL SUBSET OF THEM, THEY'RE FULLY AWARE OF ALL THESE RULES, SO THEY HAVE TO DESIGN A HOME WITHIN THE CONFINES OF ALL OF THIS.
BUT ONCE THEY DO, THEN WHY DOES THAT LENGTHEN THE PERMIT PROCESS? UM, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM START TO FINISH, WHETHER IT'S AN ARCHITECT WHO HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE DESIGNING HOMES ON MIAMI BEACH, AND THEY'RE ARE, THEY ARE MUCH BETTER AT THAT, UM, THAN SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE NEW AND IS FAMILIARIZING THEMSELF WITH THE PROCESS.
BUT BECAUSE EACH HOME IS A CUSTOM HOME, ESSENTIALLY, AND EVERY CLIENT WANTS SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF THEIR FLOOR PLAN OR THE VOLUME OF THE HOME, OR HOW IT RELATES TO A BACKYARD, FOR INSTANCE, OFTENTIMES THEY'RE TRYING TO STRETCH THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT THEY'RE PERMITTED TO DO.
AND IT TYPICALLY LEADS TO, UH, MEETINGS, CONVERSATIONS, COMMENTS.
AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT EVERY SINGLE FAMILY APPLICATION ENDS UP LIKE THAT, BUT JUST, BUT IF YOU WANT A VANILLA HOME, LIKE A BLAND HOME, THEN, AND YOU, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH A LENGTHY REVIEW PROCESS, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
IF AS LONG AS YOU CAN MEET ALL THE DIFFERENT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, UH, OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, IT'S GONNA BE A GOOD LOOKING HOME BECAUSE OUR CODE IS DESIGNED TO ENSURE THAT WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS REMOVING MOST OF THOSE REGULATIONS.
AND THEN WITHIN THAT BOX, THE ARCHITECT COULD BASICALLY DESIGN WHATEVER THEY WANT WITHIN THAT VOLUME.
AND A GOOD ARCHITECT'S GONNA DESIGN A REALLY GOOD HOME.
IF SOMEBODY'S COMBINING THREE LOTS ON SUNSET ISLAND OR EIGHT LOTS ON STAR ISLAND, IT'S GONNA BE A, A PRETTY FANTASTIC HOME.
BUT YOU MIGHT GET A DRY LOT IN MID BEACH WHERE SOMEBODY SAYS, I'M JUST GONNA HIRE A CIVIL ENGINEER AND BUILD A BOX, AND IT'S A TALL BOX AND IT ENDS UP HAVING A NEGATIVE IMPACT.
BUT WHEN YOU MEAN TALL BOX, IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT THAT THEY WOULD'VE TO ADHERE TO IF THIS, IF, IF THIS PROPOSAL GOES FORWARD OR NOT.
BUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE SAME REQUIREMENTS WITH REGARD TO THE SETBACK OF A SECOND FLOOR OR THE MINIMUM OPEN SPACE INDENTATIONS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE.
IF THE HOME IS MORE THAN 60 FEET IN LENGTH.
THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCES IN THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT REQUIRE ARCHITECTS TO THINK ABOUT MOVEMENT IN THE HOME.
LET ME ASK THIS, TOM, YOU, YOU OBSERVE EVERY COMMISSION MEETING.
WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST PUTTING STUFF ON, PUTTING STUFF ON, AH, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S, IT'S TUESDAY NIGHT AND I DON'T HAVE ANY AGENDA ITEMS. F**K, WHAT CAN I THINK OF? I'M JUST GONNA THROW IN ANOTHER REGULATION.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO OUR BUILDING CODE, RIGHT? OH, IF THIS IS 65 FEET IN LENGTH, THEN YOU CAN'T HAVE A LEPRECHAUN GNOME WITHIN THREE FEET OF IT.
DO I HAVE UNANIMOUS CONSENT? PUT IT ON.
ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON WHERE LEPRECHAUN GNOMES CAN BE ONLY, BUT IF YOU HAVE AFTER 65 C YEAH, THEY'RE FINE'S.
I THINK YOU HAVE AN ITEM FOR THIS WEDNESDAY
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DEAF BY A THOUSAND CUTS DECADE AFTER DECADE.SO IF I, IF I MIGHT, THAT'S STRUCK A CHORD WITH A NO, I GET IT.
I'M HERE TO FIGHT FOR THE, UM, THAT'S PRECISELY MY POINT OF, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, IF WE WERE DOING THIS FROM SCRATCH, TOM, IF WE WERE GONNA PLAN THIS COMMUNITY AND SAY WE WANT TO MAKE AN, UH, A FRICTION FREE AS BEST AS POSSIBLE, UM, PERMITTING PROCESS, BUT WE WANNA HAVE SOME, SOME CONTROL OVER THE OUTCOME BECAUSE IT, IT MAY NOT EVEN BE THE ARCHITECT.
IT MIGHT BE A, A CLIENT WHO'S LIKE, AH, SCREW THE NEIGHBORS.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA KNOW IF IT'S SIX FEET OR 16 FEET.
AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE AN OVERHANG THAT'S OVERHANGING SOMEBODY'S POOL DECK.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN.
BUT, BUT I'M SAYING IF WE, IF WE START REDUCING THE SAFEGUARDS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE, OFTEN IN RESPONSE TO SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE HAD ISSUES, LET'S SAY, LET'S GO WITH A AVILA RASA AND SAY, IF WE WERE DESIGNING OUR CITY CODE TO INCENTIVIZE THE BEST, MOST, UM, YOU KNOW, FRICTION FREE PERMITTING PROCESS TO GET THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME FOR THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF HOMES, DIFFERENT STYLES OF HOMES THAT COULD BE BUILT WHILE PRESERVING OUR CHARACTER OF PLACE, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I I, I, WAIT, IT WOULD BE RIGHT BRIDGE, IF I MIGHT, I TAKE UMBRIDGE AT THE NOTION THAT SOMEBODY IS COMING IN AND BUYING MULTIPLE LOTS AND THREATENING TO CALL THE GOVERNOR BECAUSE HE OR SHE DOESN'T CARE FOR THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS.
WELL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE BUYING IN CORAL GABLES, TOM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK THAT'S WHERE, WHERE YOU LIVE, RIGHT? IF YOU, IF YOU'RE BUYING AND AGGREGATING LOTS IN CORAL GABLES, DO THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE PRETTY TIGHT ZONING LAWS AND, AND, AND BUILDING CODES AND, UM, DESIGN REQUIREMENTS.
AND I DON'T SEE PEOPLE BUYING LOTS AND AGGREGATING THEM IN CORAL GABLES AND THREATENING, YOU KNOW, STATE PREEMPTION OF CORAL GABLES PROCESS.
UM, I I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD.
WELL, LET ME HEAR, LET'S HEAR FROM TOM.
IS THE GABLES JUST AS STRICT AS HERE? OR LIKE, IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF STRICT, THEIR, THEIR PROCESS IS A LOT DIFFERENT, BUT THEIR OUTCOME IS A LOT DIFFERENT AS WELL.
AND, UM, THEIR, THEIR PROCESS IS FIXATED ON A VERY LIMITED STYLE OF BUILDING, VERY LIMITED STYLE, YEAH.
AND IT HAS CREATED A VERY HOMOGENOUS TYPE OF ARCHITECTURAL FORM THAT'S, UM, UP FOR DEBATE.
BUT THEIR PROCESS, I MEAN, I'VE, I IT'S GEARED TOWARD A SPECIFIC TYPE GENRE OF, OF, OF, BUT THEIR REGULATIONS ARE NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN OURS IN TERMS OF ALL THE THINGS THAT GO INTO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
'CAUSE I'M DESIGNING A DETACHED GARAGE FROM MY OWN HOUSE, AND IT'S, THERE'S A HOST OF REGULATIONS.
I SPEAK THE LANGUAGE, SO IT'S A LITTLE EASIER FOR ME.
BUT FOR SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE AS WELL, THEY REALLY RELY ON THEIR ARCHITECTS.
AND, AND I, I, COMMISSIONER BOT, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
MAYBE I, I JUST, I DON'T THINK WHAT WE SHOULD START FROM GROUND ZERO TO GET TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE.
I'M, I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT FIXING WHAT WE HAVE AND, AND REALLY EASING UP ON THE, THE, THE, THE MANY CONCERNS THAT WE ALL HAD.
I MEAN, ALL OF US GOT ELECTED THE SAME TIME, AND WE ALL KNOCKED ON DOORS.
AND MANY PEOPLE SAID THAT THE, THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS A NIGHTMARE.
I MEAN, ESPECIALLY IN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME DISTRICTS.
UM, LOOK, HOW ABOUT WE, HOW ABOUT WE BRING THIS BACK? UM, AND MAYBE INSTEAD OF MAYBE WE FIND A MIDDLE GROUND, UM, BECAUSE YOU DO BRING UP SOME GOOD POINTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SECOND FLOOR SETBACK IS FIVE FEET.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE YOU CAN BRING BACK TO US A SUITE OF OPTIONS THAT IN ORDER OF, LET'S JUST SAY, UM, EFFORT THAT WOULD REDUCE THE, THE, THE, THE DELAY OR THE PAIN AS, AS FAR AS GIVING A, UH, UM, GETTING A, A PERMIT.
UM, AND MAYBE WE START THERE AND WE CAN SAY, ALL RIGHT, WELL, AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO TELL US WHY THAT IS THE WAY IT IS.
UM, BUT LIKE WHAT COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO JUST HAVEN'T HAVE HAD SO MUCH, UH, HAD FED UP.
AND IT'S NOT JUST THE MULTI, YOU KNOW, MILLIONAIRES OR BILLIONAIRES.
THESE ARE JUST PEOPLE WHO WANNA JUST GET A, LIKE A, LIKE A DRY LOT, UH, I DON'T KNOW, NORMANDY, NORMANDY ISLAND OR
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MID BEACH.AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SUPER UBER EXPENSIVE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT ALMOST EVERY PLOT OF LAND ON MIAMI BEACH IS A MILLION DOLLARS MM-HMM
UM, AND SO I THINK THOSE PEOPLE, ANYONE WHO'S BUYING LAND HERE TO BUILD A HOUSE IS GONNA PROBABLY HIRE A GOOD ARCHITECT AT THIS POINT.
AND WE HEAR FROM RESIDENTS ALL THE TIME THAT WE NEED TO REMOVE OR REALLY DEREGULATE THIS PERMIT PROCESS.
AND DO YOU THINK, TOM, THAT THIS WOULD HELP? I MEAN, HOW, AND I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO ASK YOU AGAIN ON A, BASED ON A PERCENTAGE, HOW MUCH WOULD THIS HELP THE, THE, THE, THE PERMITTING PROCESS? I ALL PARK FIGURE OF A PERCENT.
UM, I'VE BEEN DYING TO JUMP INTO THIS CONVERSATION, UM, BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN SPEARHEADING THIS EFFORT TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY DEEP, GET DEEP INTO THE WEEDS AS TO WHAT IS REALLY CAUSING DELAYS, UM, TO THE PERMIT PROCESS.
WHEN I DID THE PRESENTATION, UM, ON, ON FEBRUARY 19TH, AND I KNOW YOU WERE OUT OF TOWN, SO YOU WEREN'T, UM, IN THE CHAMBER, UH, BASED ON THE DATA THAT WE HAVE, WE FIGURED OUT THAT IT TAKES, ON AVERAGE, ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF MONTHS TO GET A PERMIT FOR A REGULAR SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
IT TAKES ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MONTHS TO DO THE SAME FOR COMMERCIAL.
SO WE HAVE THOSE TWO MONTH DIFFERENCES.
WHEN YOU MEAN A COMMERCIAL, COULD THAT BE A CONDO? LIKE, UM, NO.
UM, CONDOS ARE ACTUALLY A LOT EASIER AND CONDOS TODAY THROUGH OUR WALKTHROUGH PROCESS.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT TO DO, YOU CAN JUST DO IT AS A WALKTHROUGH AND IT'S DONE.
THIS IS A REGULAR SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
AND THEN THIS IS, UM, LET'S SAY A RESTAURANT OR A SHOP THAT'S REALLY GONNA GO INTO A COMMERCIAL SPACE AND DO A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS ABOUT TWO MONTHS.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LOT.
BUT WE HAVE THIS MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH NOW THAT WE WANNA START CARVING AWAY AND CHIPPING AWAY AT ALL OF THESE LITTLE THINGS.
WE DID A BIG SWOOP OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, BUT NOW AS IT RELATES TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND COMMERCIAL SPACES BOTH.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE PAINFULLY COME TO FIND IS THAT WHENEVER, WHENEVER SOME OF THESE DESIGN FIRMS DO NOT RESPOND TO OUR, UM, TO OUR COMMENTS, AND LET'S SAY THEY HAVE THREE COMMENTS, BUT THEY ONLY RESPOND TO TWO OUT OF THREE THAT IS KILLING US, THAT'S KILLING US.
AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT TO TRY TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING.
BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE TIME THAT HAPPENS, IT THROWS PLANS INTO ANOTHER CYCLE.
EVERY TIME PLANS GO INTO ANOTHER CYCLE, THEN IT'S ANOTHER COUPLE OF WEEKS.
SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S HURTING THE PROCESS A LOT.
WHEN YOU SEE, SEE, BUT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S THE OWNER'S FAULT OR THE DESIGN'S FAULT, WHY THE PERMIT PROCESS IS SLOWING DOWN OR, NO, I MEAN, WE, WE, WE, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR DATA, WE REVIEW PLANS VERY QUICKLY.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW LONG THEY ARE WITH AN OWNER AND HOW LONG THEY ARE WITH US, IT'S TWO OR THREE TIMES LONGER.
WELL, THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY'RE RESPONDING TO THE COMMENTS.
NO, I MEAN, IF THERE, WELL, IF THERE ARE CERTAIN COMMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO WRAP THEIR HEAD AROUND AND IT MAY TAKE SOME TIME, RIGHT? I MEAN, YEAH.
I MEAN, BUT IF YOU REMEMBER, I'M A REGISTERED ARCHITECT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
SO THIS WAS MY WORLD BEFORE I CAME INTO THE PUBLIC SEC, UH, THE PUBLIC SECTOR WHEN I WAS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
AND OUR MISSION WHEN I WAS AN ARCHITECT WAS TO GET THESE COMMENTS AND UNDERSTAND THEM COMPLETELY AND RESPOND TO THEM ONE TIME.
AND WE HAVE TO TRY TO FIX THAT.
AND THAT, THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO, UM, HAVE MEETINGS FACE TO FACE, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE NOW BRING THE DESIGN FIRMS IN WITH OUR ONCE A WEEK DESIGN DAY, ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
UM, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
BUT WE WERE ABLE, I HAD THE DATA IN MY PRESENTATION, UM, WHICH WAS BASED ON, UH, FISCAL YEAR DATA, UM, WHERE WE HAVE 84% OF ALL OF OUR PLANS, ALL OF OUR PERMITS ISSUED WITHIN THREE CYCLES, 84%.
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THAT LAST, YOU KNOW, PERCENTAGE, 15% WHERE WE HAVE 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, UP TO 20 REVIEW CYCLES IS ABOUT, UM, 2000 PERMITS.AND OUT OF THOSE ABOUT A THOUSAND, WERE FOUR TIMES, THEN 900 WERE 5, 6, 7, ALL THE WAY TO 20.
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHY THAT IS, BECAUSE THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE AS FAR AS I THINK, UNLESS PEOPLE REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE RESPONDING TO.
AND WE HAVE THINKS A GREAT ARCHITECT RIGHT HERE,
UM, I BELIEVE IT COULD PROBABLY, AND THIS WOULD BE A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE, POTENTIALLY CUT THE REVIEW TIME IN HALF.
BUT THAT'S FOR PLANNING REVIEW.
AND HOW MUCH OF PLANNING IS THE PART OF THE REVIEW PERMIT PROCESS? IT'S ONE PART.
YOU, YOU HAVE ALL THE BUILDING DISCIPLINES THAT HAVE TO REVIEW IT.
MECHANICAL, PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, STRUCTURAL.
YOU HAVE FIRE URBAN FORESTRY, URBAN FORESTRY, PUBLIC WORKS.
UM, SO WE'RE ONE PART OF IT NOW.
UM, THE PLANNING REGULATIONS ARE EASILY, PROBABLY THE MOST COMPLEX MM-HMM
AND YOU THINK CONSERVATIVELY THIS MIGHT REDUCE THAT PROCESS BY 50% THE PLANNING REVIEW.
AND THAT'S, WHICH IS THE MOST COMPLEX PART OF THE CORRECT.
AND THAT'S ASSUMING THAT THEY DESIGN IT CORRECTLY WITH THE MORE MINIMAL REGULATIONS.
SO LOOK, I, I THINK, AGAIN, TIME COLLEAGUES, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, WE GET, WE GET CALLS, WE GET EMAILS, WE GET TALKED TO AT, AT THE, AT PUBLIX.
HEY, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT TOOK ME FOREVER TO GET THIS PERMIT.
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY NOW TO REALLY CHANGE IT AND, AND FUNDAMENTALLY CUT IT AT LEAST THE MOST COMPLEX PART BY 50%.
LET'S BRING THIS TO COMMISSION.
YOU KNOW, LET'S SEE WHAT THE REST OF THE COLLEAGUES HAVE, HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT.
'CAUSE I KNOW, YOU KNOW, MAYOR MINOR CAMPAIGNED ON THIS, I CAMPAIGNED ON THIS.
WE ALL CAMPAIGN ON THIS, ON, ON REALLY DEREGULATING THE, THE PERMIT PROCESS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY NOW TO DO THAT.
SO I, YEAH, I MEAN, I I WILL SAY, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WHERE THERE WAS SOME SORT OF TIME PERIOD WHERE ME AND MY OFFICE WERE NOT WORKING ON PROLONGED PERMITS, WHETHER THAT BE BUILDING PERMITS, PLANNING OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT IS JUST A PROCESS THAT, UH, WE ARE ALIGNED THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, BUT WE SORT OF HAVE TO PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS WHILE ALSO NOT THROWING THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER MM-HMM
AND IT'S ABOUT STRIKING THAT BALANCE.
SO MAYBE WE, MAYBE LOOK, WE SHOULD BRING THIS TO THE COMMISSION.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IT WITH ALL, ALL OF THE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS AND, AND SEE WHERE IT LANDS.
HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO GO THROUGH THEM.
SO I THINK IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO REFER, WHAT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL IS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION TO SEE WHETHER ALL OF YOUR COLLEAGUES WANT TO MOVE FORWARD IN A MORE RADICAL DIRECTION.
OR IF YOU WANT US TO COME UP WITH SOME OPTIONS TO BRING TO THE FULL COMMISSION, WE COULD DO THAT AS WELL.
BUT IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE COULD CERTAINLY, IT WOULDN'T BE FOR APRIL 22ND, PROBABLY FOR MAY 20TH.
BUT YEAH, I THINK, I THINK YOU, AT LEAST I THINK YOU HAVE THE MAJORITY ON THIS COMMITTEE THAT REALLY WANT SEE RADICAL CHANGES TO THE PERMITTING PROCESS AS AS AS, AS IT RELATES TO PLANNING, WHICH IS THE MOST COMPLEX.
SO TELL, GIVE A SUMMARY OF SOME OF THESE CHANGES.
HIGH, HIGH LEVEL, IF I TYPED IN AI, GIVE A 32ND SUMMARY, WHAT'S IT SPIT OUT? EASE THE AI
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UM, YOU ALREADY HAVE TO BE ONE.SO THAT THE, WE WOULD BE RELYING ON THE ARCHITECTS TO DESIGN A BUILDING THAT IS CONTEXTUALLY COMPATIBLE.
WE WOULD HAVE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE SO THAT THEY COULDN'T HAVE OVERHANGS INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY.
THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A 20 FOOT WALL, FIVE FOOT FROM ANOTHER PERSON'S PROPERTY.
THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE ENOUGH ROOM FOR DRAINAGE AND ONSITE WATER RETENTION.
BUT THE REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE NOW THAT ARE THE MOST COMPLEX THAT ENSURE ON THE INSIDE? YEAH.
WELL, NO, THAT IT'S FOR THE OUTSIDE, BUT IT'S BASICALLY WITH THE INSIDE OF WHAT THE BOX THAT WE WOULD CREATE THOSE REGULATIONS, WE WOULD BE RELYING ON THE ARCHITECT TO COME UP WITH THAT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE.
IT'S SOMETHING WHERE THE PLANNING REVIEW WOULD BE CUT SUBSTANTIALLY BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE PRE-MEETINGS WITH ARCHITECTS.
AND LET ME ASK YOU, IF THIS HAPPENS, DOES THIS FREE UP YOUR STAFF'S TIME FOR OTHER PROJECTS? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
SUCH FOR PROJECTS SUCH AS WHAT? COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS, UM, CERTIFICATES OF USE.
AND YOU SAID AT THE, I BELIEVE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ITEM, YOU SAID THAT THIS SIGNIFICANTLY, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IS THE MOST COMPLEX.
AND IT, WOULD YOU SAY IT TAKES UP THE BULK OF YOUR STAFFS, TODD, IN TERMS OF PERMIT REVIEW? IT, IT TAKES UP, I WOULD, IT'S FAIR TO SAY THE BULK OF OUR TIME, OUR REVIEW TIME AND, AND PERHAPS THE EXAMPLE THAT I USED WAS, UH, WAS NOT THE BEST WAY TO FRAME IT.
'CAUSE I, I TAKE TO HEART MY FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE COMMISSIONER BOT'S, UH, COMMENTS.
SO JUST THAT ANECDOTAL EXAMPLE I USED TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THIS PERSON ISN'T DOING ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE CODE.
IT'S NOT LIKE HE'S AGGREGATING LOTS WHERE IT'S NOT ALLOWED, UH, HE'S NOT BUILDING TALLER OR WITH MORE MASS OR DENSITY THAN IS ALLOWED.
SO WHETHER THAT'S THREE HOMES ON SUNSET, IOWA, OR IF HE WAS BUILDING ONE HOME ON ALTON ROAD, HE'D STILL BE GOING THROUGH THE SAME PAINFUL, PROLONGED PROCESS.
SO THIS ISN'T DITCHING ANY OF THOSE SAFEGUARDS OR THINGS THAT KIND OF KEEP OUR CHARACTER.
IT'S JUST MAKING THIS PROCESS A LOT MORE, UH, FACILITATING.
AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, TOM, YOU, UH, UH, I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU CAN'T AGGREGATE THREE LOTS AND BUILD A HOME ON THREE LOTS, RIGHT? IT'S TWO MAXIMUM.
HE, HE ACTUALLY MAY BE ACTUALLY BUILDING THREE SEPARATE HOMES.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW SPECIFIC YOU, YOU CAN DO UP TO THREE LOTS.
THE THIRD LOT EITHER HAS TO BE OPEN SPACE, RIGHT? FOR THINGS LIKE COURT GAMES OR THERE'S VERY STRICT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS IF YOU PUT THE HOME IN THE MIDDLE, BUT THE MAXIMUM IS THREE.
WELL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MAYBE
IT WOULD BE BASICALLY, I THINK, TO MOVE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT COMES UP WITH TO ADDRESS THE PERMITTING ISSUES.
BRING THAT TO THE COMMISSION AS AN R NINE DISCUSSION ITEM.
BUT AT, AT WHAT POINT WOULD THE ADDITIONAL, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BE DISCUSSED AT DIRECTLY AT THE COMMISSION MEETING? CORRECT.
SO WE'LL GO DOWN LIKE ONE BY ONE.
NOT JUST HIGH LEVEL AND THEORETICAL.
YEAH, BECAUSE I, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE.
LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO JUST GIVE CARTE BLANCHE.
I WANT TO GET INTO THE MEAT AND POTATOES.
AND THEN THE COMMISSION COULD DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO REFER TO THE PLANNING BOARD AS AN LDR AMENDMENT AT THAT MEETING.
I MEAN, LOOK, I, UH, THIS IS A BIG ITEM, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF WE'RE, IF, IF WE'RE TELLING OUR VOTERS THAT WE CAN FUNDAMENTALLY CUT DOWN A LOT OF THE TIME, MONEY, HEADACHES AS FAR AS A BUILDING PERMIT IS CONCERNED.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR, FOR EVERYONE.
IT'S EVEN A WIN FOR STAFF APPARENTLY, BECAUSE A BULK OF THEIR TIME IS REALLY SPENT REVIEWING THESE, THESE, THESE PLANNING.
I MEAN, IMAGINE THE PERSON IS NOT A BILLIONAIRE DOING THIS.
AND YOU'RE TELLING THEM, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO CARRY TWO HOMES AND FUND AN ENTIRE STAFF THAT'S GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS FOR FIVE MONTHS, FOR EIGHT MONTHS FOR A YEAR.
RIGHT? WHAT NORMAL PERSON CAN DO THEN, CAN I ASK, UM, THROUGH THE CHAIR, UM, SINCE WE HAPPEN TO HAVE SOME ARCHITECTS, UM, IN THE AUDIENCE, CAN, WOULD YOU GUYS MIND GIVING YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT YOU'VE HEARD? WE ARE JUST OLD COMING.
WELL, I'M THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
UM, ONE THING WE SEE A LOT IS, UH, FROM THE ARCHITECT SIDE, THE CONSULTANT SIDE, WE SEND IN COMMENTS TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENTS,
AND WE SEND IT IN AND IT GETS SENT BACK.
AND WE SAID, WE ANSWERED THIS, ASKED AND ANSWERED.
AND IT KEEPS ON COMING BACK AT US FOUR OR FIVE OR SIX TIMES.
IS ANYBODY READING THIS? THIS HAPPENS IN,
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NOT ONLY IN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.IT HAPPENS IN THE CITY OF MIAMI.
EVERY MUNICIPALITY YOU SEE, PART OF THIS IS THE PROCESS WE THINK FROM WHAT'S CHANGED IN, IN HOW YOU MOVE PLANS THROUGH THINKING PEOPLE.
OKAY, BUT IMAGINE IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE COMMENTS ON THE MOST.
NO, WE WANT, IIII, I CAREFUL WHEN YOU UNLEASH THE REGULATORY POWERS ONTO THE, THE NEIGHBORHOODS OF MIAMI BEACH, YOU, YOU MAY NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING.
WHAT THE OLD DAYS, AND YOU, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE TIME FOR THIS THAT I THINK IT WOULD CUT DOWN THE BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH, AT LEAST THROUGH THE BACK IS YOU SAT DOWN, YOU BROUGHT IN YOUR ROLL OF DRAWINGS, YOU SAT DOWN, YOU ROLLED THEM OUT.
YOU HAD ONE GUY WHO KNOWS WHAT ON, ON THEIR SIDE, KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE OLD, WHY DOESN'T THAT HAPPEN? IT VERY SIMPLE.
IT WAS EASY AND WAS, AND YOU COULD HAVE A RAPPORT WITH THE PERSON AND YOU COULD SEE THE PEOPLE YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
SO WHY DOESN'T THAT HAPPEN HAPPEN? SOMETIMES IT'S A, IT'S A, A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION.
YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE A LOT OF REGULATIONS AND, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT SOMETIMES TO TALK TO THE, THE PERSON THAT IS REVIEWING THE DRAWINGS TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT IT MEANT.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT HAS CHANGED.
SO WHAT'D YOU SAY? YOU MADE A GOOD POINT.
WHAT DID YOU SAY? YOU READ THE REGULATION.
SOMETIMES IT IS IMPORTANT WHEN YOU GET, FOR EXAMPLE, YOUR SECOND COMMENT AND YOU WANT TO TALK TO A REVIEWER BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE REPORT AND TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION.
AND SOMETIMES WE AS ARCHITECT, WE ARE A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE THAN THE REVIEWER, AND WE SEE THINGS IN A LITTLE DIFFERENT WAY.
AND, AND IT'S PERFECTLY ALLOWABLE.
BUT YOU WANT THAT INTERPRETATION TO GET THROUGH THE REVIEWER, BECAUSE THAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO THAT REVIEWER IN A, IN A, IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
AND HE MIGHT SEE IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
SO I THINK THAT REPORT SOMETIMES IS VERY IMPORTANT.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT IS, I THINK THAT HAS CHANGED, AND I THINK MAYBE THROUGH THE PANDEMIC, WAS THE REVIEW PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO SEND THE WHOLE SET OF DRAWING.
YOU HAVE ONE LITTLE COMMENT, BUT YOU HAVE TO FILE THE WHOLE, THAT THAT'S SET OF DRAWINGS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A GREATER, THAT'S A LARGER PROBLEM AS FAR AS THE REVIEW PERMITING PROCESS.
AT LEAST WHAT THIS ITEM IS DOING IS JUST THE PLANNING PART OF THE, OF THE BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR SAYS IS THE MOST COMPLEX.
AND SO THAT'S, BUT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING THAT HAPPENS DURING THE PLANNING PROCESS AS WELL? THAT HAPPENS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS.
YOU, THAT YOU HAVE TO, EVERY, EVERY TIME YOU CHANGE, YOU DO A CHANGE.
YOU HAVE TO SEND THE WHOLE SET OF DRAWINGS, EVEN IF IT'S A MINOR.
YOU HAVE TO COMPILE ALL THE DRAWINGS.
YOU HAVE TO ASK EVERYBODY, ALL THE CONSULTANTS TO SIGN AND SEAL ALL THE DRAWINGS, THE CURRENT DRAWING.
AND, AND SO IT TAKES TIME ALSO FROM THE SIDE OF A CONSULTANT.
SO ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, JUST TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THERE'S A DESIRE TO HAVE A SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT ALL THE WAY THROUGH SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, INSPECTOR X SECOND GUESSING INSPECTORS, Y'S ORIGINAL COMMENTS.
SO, AND I THINK THAT'S A GOAL THAT WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS.
IS THAT AN ACHIEVABLE GOAL IN PLANNING PLAN REVIEW AS WELL, TO HAVE ONE PERSON LOOK AT THE PLANS FROM START TO FINISH? ANYTIME THERE ARE FOLLOW UP, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT.
AND THEN WHY DOES THE PLAN NEED TO COME BACK? NOT JUST THE ONE THING THAT'S BEEN ADJUSTED, BUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE PLANS RESIGNED.
RESEALED RE-CERTIFIED, SENT OVER AGAIN, THE ELECTRONIC PLAN REVIEW.
UH, IN ORDER TO, UM, MAINTAIN THE, UH, CUSTODY OF CONTROL, IT HAS TO BE REPROCESSED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, EVERY PAGE HAS THE SAME STAMP.
UM, IT IS SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S AN ISSUE, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE'RE WORKING, UM, THROUGH.
IT'S ALL DISCIPLINES, UM, GO THROUGH THIS.
BUT IF THIS ELECTRONIC PLANNING REVIEW PROCESS ADDS TIME AND COST BURDEN TO THE PROCESS, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THIS ELECTRONIC PROCESS? WHY DON'T WE GO BACK TO SITTING IN A ROOM WITH ONE SET OF PLANS AND WORKING THROUGH THE ISSUES ON THE SPOT AND BEING DONE WITH IT? IN, IN MY EXPERIENCE, MOST ARCHITECTS AND DESIGN PROFESSIONALS MUCH PREFER THE ELECTRONIC PLAN REVIEW.
IT'S FASTER, IT'S MORE EFFICIENT.
UM, THEY CAN MEET WITH US IF THERE'S AN ISSUE.
MY STAFF IS AVAILABLE, AND MY STAFF FREQUENTLY MEETS
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WITH PEOPLE TO GO OVER OUTSTANDING COMMENTS OR REMAINING COMMENTS.AND YOU SAID YOU'RE WORKING ON, UM, ADDRESSING THIS GLITCH IN THE SYSTEM OR FEATURE, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.
THAT, UM, ANYTIME A CHANGE IS MADE THAT THEN REQUIRES THE ENTIRETY OF THE PLAN TO BE RE-CERTIFIED AND RESUBMITTED MM-HMM
IS THAT IMMINENT? IS THAT ON THE HORIZON IN OUR LIFETIMES? AGAIN, I DIDN'T GET A, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GET A CLEAR ANSWER ON THAT.
WHY? WHY IS THAT? WHY DOES IT HAVE TO GO? WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE RESUBMITTED THROUGH ALL DISCIPLINES, UM, COMMISSIONERS.
THE, THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF REVISIONS, UH, WHICH HAPPENS A LOT.
UM, BECAUSE AT THE END, WHEN YOU HAVE TO GET A CU OR YOU HAVE TO OCCUPY, ALL OF THIS HAS TO SORT OF COME TOGETHER.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, ELECTRONIC PLANS, IT'S THE GOOD NEWS AND THE BAD NEWS, RIGHT? THE GOOD NEWS IS YOU CAN LOOK AT PLANS FROM ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KNOW, LOG ON AND YOU CAN HAVE MULTIPLE CONSULTANTS, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY RESUBMITTING AND HAVING IT GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE DISCIPLINE AGAIN, WHY DOES IT HAVE TO GO IF IT'S JUST A MINOR TWEAK TO LET'S SAY, WHERE THE OUTLETS ARE? YEAH.
LIKE, LIKE YOU'RE MOVING AN AIR CONDITION.
YOU'RE MOVING AN OUTLET FROM THIS WALL TO THAT WALL.
WHY DOES THAT HAVE TO GO TO PLUMBING? WELL, WE ARE WORKING ON REFINING THAT.
UH, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PERMIT TYPES ONLY HAVE TO GO TO CERTAIN PEOPLE RATHER THAN EVERYBODY.
AND WE'RE WORKING ON REFINING THAT AT THIS NEXT LEVEL, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BRING BACK BOB MORAN TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN ANYMORE.
UM, WE'RE ALSO PUTTING IN THE REVIEWERS, IS THIS A TECHNICAL ISSUE OR IS THIS IT'S A, IT'S A COMBINATION.
IS IT A LEGAL ISSUE? YEAH, LEGAL ISSUE.
I'VE NEVER HEARD OF IT BEING A LEGAL ISSUE.
I MEAN, LEGAL MEANING LIKE, IN ORDER FOR US TO NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY ISSUES AT THE END OF THIS PROCESS WHERE IT'S OUR FAULT THAT SOMETHING WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, IS IS THAT WHY WE HAVE THIS WHERE EVERY DISCIPLINE HAS TO SIGN OFF ON ANY SORT OF MINOR TWEAK? THAT'S THE WAY OUR SYSTEM IS SET UP RIGHT NOW.
IT'S A TECHNICAL WORK, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON CHANGING THAT.
IT'S GONNA COOK WIRE GOING THROUGH EVERY PERMIT TYPE IN ORDER TO START WEEDING OUT WHAT REALLY DOESN'T APPLY.
WHERE YOU SEE A LOT OF THIS ESPECIALLY, IS WITH LIKE CONDOMINIUMS, BECAUSE SO MANY THINGS COME INTO CONDOMINIUMS, AND YET CONDOMINIUMS ARE LIKE FOUR THINGS.
UH, SO WE HAVE, THAT'S GONNA BE THE NEXT LEVEL THAT WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON TO FIX AND UNDO.
WE ALSO HAVE BROUGHT IN THE PROFESSIONAL, UM, PROFESSIONALS DAY, WHICH IS ONCE A WEEK WHERE PROFESSIONALS CAN COME AND HAVE A ONE-ON-ONE WITH EVERY DISCIPLINE, JUST LIKE A WALKTHROUGH, BUT IT'S ONLY FOR ARCHITECTS AND, AND PROFESSIONALS.
AND THIS IS, AND THIS IS THAT'S GOOD.
SOMETHING THAT IS ALL DISCIPLINES, RIGHT? THIS ISN'T JUST PLANNING.
I THINK, AND, AND I WANT TO KIND OF BRING US BACK TO WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS ITEM.
THIS ITEM IS SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING PLANNING.
AND WE HAVE THE PLANNING DIRECTOR THAT THINKS THAT SOME OF THE, IF, IF WE CAN ADOPT MANY OF THESE MM-HMM
A LA CARTE DEREG REGULATIONS, AND IF WE DID ALL OF 'EM, WE COULD CONSERVATIVELY REDUCE IT BY 50%.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA DEREGULATE ALL OF THEM.
UM, BUT WE WANT TO DEREGULATE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
UH, BECAUSE WHAT COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A COMMISSIONER, YOU KNOW, MANY YEARS AGO THAT SAID, OH, WELL I DON'T LIKE THIS, SO LET'S JUST PUT THIS LAW.
AND, AND THAT LAW EXISTS ON THE BOOKS FOREVER.
AND, AND IT JUST NEVER GOES AWAY, UNFORTUNATELY.
SO, UM, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S BRING THIS BACK TO, OR LET'S REFER THIS TO COMMISSION AND, AND SEE WHAT YOU GUYS CAN BRING AND WHAT DO YOU WANNA BRING IN? MAY? YEAH.
THERE'S NO WAY I COULD GET SOMETHING TO YOU IN APRIL.
ARE YOU STILL GONNA BE WITH US IN MAY? TOM? I WILL STILL BE WITH YOU IN MAY.
SO I THINK, I THINK MAY IS A IS, IS, IS A GOOD TIME FOR THAT.
TOM, I, I DID NOTICE JUST THE TIMING WHERE, YOU KNOW, GETTING UP THERE IN YOUR CAREER AND YOU SAID YOU'RE BUILDING A DETACHED GARAGE.
SO, UH, COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE MADE A MOTION SECONDED.
I THINK WE CAN ADOPT THIS BY ACCLAMATION.
UM, ON THE, ON THE TOPIC OF, UM, WELL, LET'S, LET'S GET TO, LET'S GET TO SOME, WHY SOME OF THE
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RESIDENTS ARE HERE TO DISCUSS.[4. DISCUSS DEVELOPING ALL OF THE WEST LOTS LYING ALONG COLLINS AVENUE BETWEEN 79TH STREET AND 87TH STREET INTO A PLANNED CITY PARK IN NORTH BEACH.]
[5. DISCUSS FUTURE PROGRAMMING OF WEST LOTS]
UH, FOUR AND FIVE.I'LL READ THESE INTO THE RECORD.
UH, ITEM FOUR IS DISCUSSED DEVELOPING ALL OF THE WEST LOTS LYING ALONG COLLINS AVENUE BETWEEN 79TH STREET AND 87TH STREET INTO A PLANNED CITY PARK.
AND ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS DISCUSS FUTURE PROGRAMMING OF THE WEST LOTS.
AND I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER, UM, BOT FOR CO PRIMING THIS WITH ME.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO SEE THE BEST, UH, POSSIBLE USE OF, OF THE WEST LOTS.
UM, I, I, I HAD TO LEAVE YESTERDAY FOR THE DISCUSSION OF THE LOG CABIN, UM, POSSIBLY GOING BACK TO THE WEST LOT.
SO WE MIGHT, WE WANNA KEEP THAT IN MIND.
UM, AND I'LL, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER BOT, DID YOU WANT TO ALSO SAY ANYTHING? FEEL FREE.
JOHN REBAR, I'M DIRECTOR OF PARKS FACILITIES, FLEET BEACHES, UM, AND WE WERE HERE JUST LAST WEEK AND WE WERE ASKED TO, TO, UM, REACH OUT TO, UM, SABINO MILLER WHO, UM, DESIGNED BAYSHORE PARK AMONG THEIR PARKS TO JUST GET THEIR TAKE ON, YOU KNOW, THE WEST LOTS AND MAYBE LOOKING AT A PARK MASTER PLAN SCENARIO RATHER THAN PIECEMEALING IT.
SO THEY ARE HERE IF WE'D LIKE TO JUST START WITH, WITH THEM.
WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH AND THANKS FOR GIVING YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE BILLING PERMIT FOR US, ANYBODY INTO TROUBLE EARLIER
ANYWAY, UH, UM, WHEN JOHN CALLED US LAST WEEK TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, AND WE JUST WANTED TO FIRST OF ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON THERE BEFORE WE MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO WE KIND OF WENT AND DID KIND OF AN INVENTORY ANALYSIS OF WHAT'S, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENING.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THE MM-HMM
UM, AND SO WE KIND OF WENT IN EACH ONE OF THE, WE KIND OF, IT'S, IT'S EIGHT LOTS.
GOES FROM 79TH STREET ALL THE WAY TO 87TH, UH, STREET.
AND, UM, AND IT'S, UH, ACROSS THE STREET FROM NORTH SHORE PARK, UH, NORTH BEACH, OCEAN SIDE PARK.
AND IT'S BETWEEN CALLINGS AND, UH, HARDING ACTUALLY AN ALLEY BEFORE GOING TO HARDING.
SO IT'S, THIS EIGHT LOTS ARE, UM, INTERESTING.
EACH ONE HAS A DIFFERENT, UH, USE.
AND, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THE FIRST ONES FROM 79 TO, UH, 80 STREET IS IS A MIAMI-DADE FIRE, RESCUE AND PARKING LOT.
THEN WE HAVE, UH, THE NEXT ONE IS A PARKING LOT.
THE NEXT ONE IS CAR, UH, YEAH, THE CAT RESCUE
RIGHT NOW WE, IT HASN'T SOME HAPHAZARD USE RIGHT NOW.
IT, YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S AD HOC, YOU KNOW, AS A CITY NEEDED TO, TO FIND A, A, A HOME FOR THESE USES, IT SEEMS LIKE, WELL, THESE LOTS WERE AVAILABLE AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
UM, IT DOES HAVE A SKATE PARK.
THERE IS A, A, A, A COUPLE OF OPEN GREEN SPACES AND, UM, OKAY.
THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT WE SAW THERE.
HOW DO I GO HERE NEXT, I GUESS? HERE.
SO WE, WE TOOK A LOOK AT, UM, DIFFERENT CHARACTER OF EACH ONE OF THE LOTS.
UM, SOME OF THEM HAVE BEAUTIFUL TREES.
SOME OF THEM ARE JUST NOT THAT PRETTY.
SOME FENCES AROUND THE, THE SKATE PARK SEEMS A LITTLE, UM, HOW DO YOU CALL THAT? UM, IT CAN BE IMPROVED, COULD EXACTLY, COULD BE IMPROVED, EXPANDED, AND IMPROVED.
UM, WE ARE NOT SURE IF THIS USES, RESPOND TO THE COMMUNITY NEXT TO IT.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE WONDER.
UM, WE, WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL PARK ACROSS THE STREET THAT IS VERY PASTORAL, SUPER GREEN, HAS SOME PLAYGROUNDS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND THESE LOTS COULD BE, UH, FOR THE WAY WE SEE IS SUPPORT MAYBE TO THE, TO THE PARK ACROSS THE STREET.
YOU HAVE SOME, UM, COMMUNITY GARDEN THERE AS WELL.
ACTUALLY NOT COMMUNITY GARDEN.
IT'S A COMPOST, COMPOST, COMPOST, COMPOST COLLECTION.
THERE WE ALSO, THE, THE, THE, HOW DO YOU CALL THAT? THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
YOU HAVE, UH, 79TH STREET THAT GOES ALL THE WAY CONNECTING TO, TO CONNECTS THE, ACTUALLY THE CITY FROM ONE INTO THE OTHER, FROM THAT PARK AND BEYOND 81ST STREET ALSO.
AND I THINK, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT GO THROUGH AND
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CONNECT THE REST OF THE CITY.AND SO THAT, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND.
AND ALSO, THOSE HAVE ALSO THE MAIN ENTRIES TO THE, THE, THE PARK ACROSS THE STREET AND CROSSWALKS AND, AND STREET LIGHTS.
SO THOSE ARE IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IN PRINCIPLE, WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
UH, WHAT IN GENERAL, CAN YOU GO BACK UP TO THAT FOR A SECOND? YEAH.
IT'S THE, THE STREET TYPES, THE EAST, WEST STREET TYPES.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE, I THINK THERE'S THREE, TWO WAYS.
AND THERE'S PARALLEL PARKING, AND THERE'S THREE, I THINK THREE ONE WAYS.
ALL THE ONE WAYS ARE WESTBOUND.
SO, UH, THIS IS EASIER TO LOOK THROUGH.
THERE'S ONE STREET IN PARTICULAR THAT DOESN'T GO THROUGH AT ALL.
SO WE THINK THAT MIGHT BE A POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A GATHERING SPOT.
IT'S 82ND STREET, 80, WHICH IS AN INTER, IS WHERE THE, THE ESCAPE PARK IS.
THAT'S AN INTERESTING STREET BECAUSE DEAD ENDS ON SOME RESIDENTIAL, AND IT JUST, THAT LITTLE STREET JUST SERVES A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS IN EACH SIDE.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF AN INTERESTING DISCOVERY THAT THAT COULD BE, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR A FUTURE, YOU KNOW, A TYING THE LOTS TOGETHER.
UM, THEN, UM, WHAT, UH, WHAT SEE HERE IN GENERAL IS, UH, THE IDEA OF CREATING, WELL, THIS IS THE ZONING AROUND IT MOSTLY IS, UM, UM, MULTIFAMILY LOW INTENSITY, UH, TO THE WEST SIDE.
WE HAVE SOME MULTIFAMILY HIGH INTENSITY TO THE SOUTH AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UM, CLOSE BY.
UH, THIS IS THE, UM, PAVING AND TREE CANOPY COVERAGE.
YOU CAN SEE THERE IS OF COURSE, ACROSS THE STREET A LOT OF TREE CANOPY.
AND IN THOSE LOTS, VERY SPARSE, SOME OF THEM.
AND SOME OF THEM, THERE IS ACTUALLY SOME BEAUTIFUL SPECIMEN TREES THERE THAT IS, WILL BE GOOD TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.
THIS IS LIKE A STREET SECTION, UH, FROM THE ALLEY ALL THE WAY TO THE, TO THE, THE PARK.
AND, UH, ALSO WE NOTICE THAT THERE IS AN OVERHEAD ELECTRIC, UH, ACROSS THE ALLEY.
THERE IS SOME PARKING THERE IN FORMAL PARKING THAT SERVES THE BUILDINGS TO THE WEST.
AND THEN THERE IS THIS, UH, 175 FEET, PRETTY MUCH EACH LOT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE COLLINS AVENUE, WHICH IS PRETTY, PRETTY WIDE.
YOU HAVE, UM, UH, TWO LANES OF PARKING AND THEN THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC, NORTHBOUND, NORTHBOUND, UH, ON COLLINS AVENUE.
THE OTHER ON THE ALLEY, THE INTEREST, THIS MIGHT BE AD HOC TOO, THE, ON THE, ALONG THE ALLEY, IT'S ONE WAY SOUTHBOUND.
UH, THE, THE SECTION SHOWS THAT EVERYONE'S JUST PARKS.
THEY PULL IN IT'S 90 DEGREE PARKING ALONG THAT ALLEY.
IT'S, WE THINK IT'S MORE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PLACES ALONG THERE THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
UH, MAYBE FOR SOME OF THE, UH, FIRE, UH, LIFEGUARD STATION FOLKS.
YOU SEE THE CAR PARKED THERE, PEOPLE USE THAT OFTEN.
SO, UH, YEAH, IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY A PARKING SPOT.
IT, IT IS DEFINITELY BEING USED.
AND, UH, SO IT COULD BE CONSIDERED IN ANY KIND OF FUTURE KIND OF PARKING CALCULATION.
SO WHAT WE SEE HERE IS ALMOST LIKE A GAP BETWEEN THE, THE COMMUNITY AND THE PARK.
THERE IS LIKE THIS BLANK GAP THAT, UM, THAT DOESN'T TIE THE WHOLE THING TOGETHER.
SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ENVISION HERE IS TO, TO CREATE A PARK DISTRICT.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT TIES THE TWO SIDES TOGETHER.
LIKE, PRETTY MUCH LIKE YOU, YOU HAVE CENTRAL PARK IN NEW YORK, IT HAS STREETS THAT CROSS AND EVERYTHING.
BUT THE PERCEPTION IS THAT ONE THING, AND I THINK THIS SHOULD BE THE SAME PERCEPTION, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE COLLINS AVENUE, IF YOU ADD CANOPY ON, ON, ON THE WEST SIDE, STARTS TYING THE WHOLE THING TOGETHER.
SO WE THINK THAT THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT.
AND ALSO EAST WEST, YOU, YOU USE SOME OF THOSE CORRIDORS AS, UH, UH, AS, AS TYING IT TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND THE WHOLE THING STARTS WORKING TOGETHER.
WHAT WE SEE IS KIND OF LIKE THIS GAP, THIS VERY, UH, UM, DETACHED, UH, AREA.
AND THEN THE, THE QUE THE BIG QUESTION IS WHAT TYPE OF USE DO WE NEED? WHAT I, WHAT USES CAN STATE THAT WE, WE HAVE THE ASSUMPTIONS, OKAY, THESE ARE GONNA REMAIN, AND WHAT USES ARE DESIRABLE.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO SAY EXACTLY WHAT BEFORE
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Q PROCESS.AND THAT'S, THAT WOULD JUST BE ONE PERSON'S OPINION.
BUT WHAT WE, WHAT DOES JOHN WANT? YEAH.
WHAT DOES THE CITY NEED? YEAH.
WHAT ARE, BUT WHAT WE SEE THAT WE SEE, LIKE THERE IS TWO EASEMENTS CONNECTING TO THE OCEAN DIRECTLY.
ONE IS ON 79 AND ONE IS ON 87 THAT HAS THOSE TWO STRAIGHT CONNECTIONS TO THE, TO THE OCEAN.
THEN WE SEE THE POTENTIAL OF, UH, 82ND STREET AS, AS A LITTLE PEDESTRIAN ELEMENT THAT CAN TIE TOGETHER.
WE DON'T KNOW IF OTHER STREETS CAN BE CLOSED.
UM, AND UH, AND UH, AND THEN USING THE MAIN ENTRANCES TO THE PARK AS MAYBE THE, THE PLACES WHERE THOSE COS CAN HAPPEN, CONNECTING TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO, AND THEN THERE IS A, UH, ALL SORTS OF ACTIVITIES THAT CAN HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, WE MAYBE, UM, SOME PASSIVE, SOME MORE ACTIVE, SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UM, AN EVENT SPACE, MAYBE A, A CONCESSION.
WHAT'S THAT? MAYBE PICKLEBALL, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THEY USE IS WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SKATE PARK, MAYBE THAT CAN BE EXPANDED AND, AND MAYBE ADD SOMETHING FOR, FOR TEENAGERS.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE, THE PARK ACROSS THE STREET HAS SOMETHING FOR, UH, FOR, UM, CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, LIKE PLAYGROUND MAYBE THAT CAN BE EXPANDED THAT OTHER LOT FOR, UH, OLDER KIDS.
THERE'S ALSO PROGRAMMING THINGS YOU COULD DO TO ACTIVATE THE PARK.
UH, A CAFE, A LITTLE SMALL DONUT PLACE OR, OR A LITTLE, UH, UH, CAFE CITA A LITTLE.
UH, WHAT'S THE, THE VENT
SO YOU GOT, ARE THERE ANY MORE SLIDES? THAT'S IT.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT ANALYSIS OF, OF WHAT WE HAVE THERE VERY, VERY FAST.
THIS IS FROM LIKE FRIDAY TILL, AND I DON'T, AND I DON'T WANNA PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE COMMISSIONER BOD, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALLY GET, I DON'T KNOW, DO SOME COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ON PERHAPS WE, WE, WE SEND OUT A SURVEY, UH, TO NORTH BEACH AND WE SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE HAPPEN ON THE WEST SIDE? AND MAYBE GIVE A MENU OF OPTIONS AND THEN HAVE THE SURVEY COME BACK WITH THE TOP, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER OF PREFERENCE.
SO I BELIEVE JOHN, IS JOHN STILL HERE? JOHN REBAR? YES.
UM, WE'VE DONE THAT, AND I THINK IT WAS INCLUDED IN, IN A PRIOR, UH, ITERATION OF, OF A MEMO.
WE, WE HAVE FEEDBACK ON WHAT PEOPLE WANNA SEE.
UM, AND IT'S BEEN RANKED, AND I ALWAYS WANNA HAVE COMMUNITY INPUT, BUT I WOULD RATHER, UM, INSTEAD OF, ONCE AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY WITH THE SAME QUESTION, SAY, OKAY, WE'VE HEARD YOUR INPUT AND WE'D LIKE TO PROPOSE, UM, THIS IS A VISION TO INCORPORATE THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE SAID YOU WANTED TO SEE.
AND ACTUALLY HAVE, INSTEAD OF A SURVEY, HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING WITH, UM, A PRESENTATION AND A CHARETTE AND SAY, DO YOU WANT MORE OF THIS? DO YOU, NOW THAT YOU SEE IT, DO YOU NOT WANT THIS AT ALL? UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE A CONVERSATION.
HAVE IT BE INTERACTIVE AND, BUT GO NOT WITH JUST ANOTHER SURVEY.
UM, AND I THINK THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING A LITTLE FOOD BEVERAGE VENT CAFE, SOMETHING WHERE IT WON'T AFFECT PEOPLE, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF A DESERT UP THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DESIRE TO HAVE COURTS OF VARIOUS KINDS EXPAND THE SKATE PARK TO, WHAT'D YOU CALL IT, JOHN, OR A, A, A PUMP TRACK.
AN ALL WHEELS TRACK PUMP TRACK, THAT'S RIGHT.
UM, AN ALL WHEEL TRACK, UM, TO MAKE IT BE MORE, UM, PRESENTABLE.
NOT JUST PRESENTABLE, BUT MORE THOUGHTFUL IN HOW THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO STAY, STAY, RIGHT.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THE WESTLAW IS, AS YOU POINTED OUT, IT'S THE DUMPING GROUND.
UM, AND NOBODY HAS TOUCHED ANYTHING THAT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN UTILIZED, BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO PROPOSE ANYTHING THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY RISK THE SANCTITY OF PRESERVING GREEN SPACE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE DO, WE'VE TALKED TO JOSE IN TRANSPORTATION.
THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO CLOSE OFF A NUMBER OF THOSE STREETS.
AND I LOVE THE IDEA OF MAKING THE THOROUGHFARES, YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM AND TOP MOST, AND ONE THROUGH THE MIDDLE WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, AND THEN CLOSE THE REST OFF.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE MAKING PEOPLE GO 10 BLOCKS.
BUT THE BENEFIT IS YOU HAVE A MUCH MORE COHESIVE, ROBUST PARK.
UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE EVEN TAKE A LOOK AT SOME POINT AT, AT BUILDING A, A WALK OVER A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE TO CONNECT THIS PART OF THE PARK TO THE OTHER PARK.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT WE CAN PROPOSE.
THE CRA CAN FUND A FAIR AMOUNT OF THIS.
I KNOW THERE'S ABOUT $5 MILLION ALREADY IN GEO BOND FUNDING.
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FUNDS TO WORK WITH.UM, AND, AND WE MOVE FORWARD IN THAT, IN THAT MANNER.
UM, I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE, UM, THAT WHILE WE'RE NOT GONNA GIVE UP THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, UNLESS WE'RE ABLE TO, IS THERE A WAY TO REPOSITION THEM OR SHRINK A FOOTPRINT IF IT'S NO LONGER NECESSARY? OR MAYBE EXPAND IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY SO THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE KITTY CAMPUS IS NOT JUST LIKE A BUNCH OF TRAILERS, BUT NOW IT'S ACTUALLY A CAMPUS AND PEOPLE CAN WANDER IN AND OUT AND LOOK AT THE CATS, YOU KNOW, HEALING UP FROM THEIR, THEIR MEDICAL PROCEDURES OR WHATEVER.
LIKE, IS THERE A WAY TO BE MORE THOUGHTFUL AND INTENTIONAL ABOUT ALL OF THAT SPACE? BECAUSE IT IS A GIFT TO HAVE THAT MANY UNENCUMBERED BLOCKS OF MOSTLY GREEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE OF A CITY.
AND THE FACT THAT IT HAPPENS TO BE ACROSS THE STREET FROM A PARK, GREAT, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S LESS VALUABLE.
UM, SO THAT'S HOW I THINK WE SHOULD PROCEED.
I THINK WE HAVE VERY CLEAR DIRECTION FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE THERE.
AND SO, JOHN, FOR THE PUBLIC, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE TOP, YOU KNOW, FIVE E REQUESTS FOR SURE.
THE, UM, THE SURVEY IS ABOUT A CLOSED A YEAR AGO.
SO IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY CURRENT CLOSE TO WHAT THE TOP, THE SURVEY CLOSED A YEAR AGO.
SO THIS IS FAIRLY RECENT DATA FOR SURVEYS.
GREEN SPACE NUMBER ONE, PARKING NUMBER TWO PARK.
WHAT? PARKING NUMBER TWO? PARKING.
PARKING NUMBER TWO, SOCIAL SPACE NUMBER THREE, FITNESS OR FITNESS GYM.
I THINK THEY'RE TALKING LIKE A MUSCLE BEACH, AN OUTDOOR FITNESS THING.
UM, FOOD TRUCKS, FARMER'S MARKET.
AND FOR THE RECORD, WE HAVE AN ITEM SEPARATE FROM THIS COMPLETELY, UM, OF A FARMER'S MARKET GOING INTO THE OPEN SPACE PARK THAT'S COMING AT THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING OR NEXT LAND USE MEETING, I THINK.
I, I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE IT'S, BUT ANYHOW, IT'S COMING.
AND THAT'S, SO WE DON'T NEED TO PUT A FARMER'S MARKET INTO THIS PORTION.
IN FACT, THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED OFF WITH A FARMER'S MARKET AND DECIDED TO ACTUALLY BE BETTER IN, UM, THE OPEN SPACE PARK BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S MORE INVITING SPACE WITH FEWER LOGISTICS OBSTACLES.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, AN, THE ANSWERS TO THE SURVEYS, THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT WE HAVE THERE NOW.
EXCEPT MAYBE LIKE THE FITNESS COMPONENT, RIGHT? WHICH YOU COULD TECHNICALLY SAY IS A SKATE PARK, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HAVE GREEN SPACE, WE HAVE PARKING.
UH, MAYBE NOT THE SOCIAL ASPECT, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, LOOK, I, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH HAVING STAFF.
MAYBE, MAYBE INSTEAD OF GIVING ONE PROPOSAL, MAYBE GIVE A A, A TWO OR THREE, UH, TO GO TO THE, TO COMMUNITY WITH IT.
I DON'T WANT TO JUST GO TO THE COMMUNITY AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, THIS IS OUR PLAN.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? HOW ABOUT WE GIVE TWO TO THREE OPTIONS THAT WE CAN WORK COLLABORATIVELY ON AND, AND SAY, HEY, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT OPTIONS A, B, OR C? YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, THE QECI THINK WAS WORKING WITH SCHOOL BOARD ON THE PARK SPACE FOR THE FIELD AT, UM, BISCAYNE BEACH.
AND THEY HAD TWO OPTIONS THAT THEY CAME WITH.
THEY, THEY, EFFECTIONATELY DID THE SAME SORT OF THING, BUT SHOWED DIFFERENT KINDS OF LAYOUTS.
I THINK MAYBE LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE AN, YOU KNOW, OPTION A OPTION B, BUT THEN WE CAN SORT OF MOVE ELEMENTS AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
WE START WITH THE PROGRAM AND A SURVEY.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S BEEN THE POPULAR CHOICE.
AND WE GO A RIDE WITH THAT AND THEN FIGURE OUT A WAY HOW WE CAN FACILITATE CREATING A, A COHESIVE PARK EXPERIENCE WITHIN THAT FRAMEWORK.
UH, JUST TO MAKE IT A MORE PLEASANT EXPERIENCE ESSENTIALLY.
AND I'M, I'M OKAY ALSO WITH VACATING SOME OF THOSE, THOSE STREETS.
'CAUSE I THINK IT MAKES SENSE.
SO WE GET MORE VALUE OUT OF POTENTIALLY MORE GREEN SPACE.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING IS I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE LIKE A SOCCER FIELD THERE.
UM, AND YOU, YOU'RE ACCOMPLISHING MORE THAN ONE OF THOSE GOALS, RIGHT? WHICH IS GREEN SPACE.
UH, YEAH, IT IS FOOL GUY OVER HERE, UH, YOU KNOW, GREEN SPACE, SOCIAL ACTIVITY, FITNESS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, CAPTURING ALL THREE SORT OF, OF THOSE, OF THOSE PRIORITIES FROM THE RESIDENTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE OPTIONS ON THAT WE CAN PRESENT TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO I STOPPED AT FIVE, BUT THEN IT GETS INTO RACKET, SPORTS, SOCCER FIELDS, THOSE, THOSE ACTIVE ACTIVITIES COME IN NEXT.
I MEAN, THE, THE RESULTS ARE VERY ALIGNED WITH WHAT WE'VE JUST DISCUSSED.
NOBODY WANTS AN OUTDOOR BOWLING ALLEY OR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S, AND THEN WE'RE HAVING, AND WE'RE, AND WE'RE, HOPEFULLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A PAID FREE MUSSEL BEACH, UH, ON THE SAND.
SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO PUT IT IN THE WEST LOTS.
WE CAN USE IT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY LIKE TO HAVE ON THE SAND AS FAR AS MOSTLY RIGHT.
AND THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF A MASTER PLAN.
YOU COULD LOOK AT YOUR SUPPORTING, UM, AMENITIES NEARBY.
WHAT WERE WE, YOU WERE GONNA SAY SOMETHING? LEMME SEE YOUR LIST.
THIS IS THE FIRST ONE I'VE SEEN THE LIST
THE, UM, THE, THE MUNICIPAL 50 METER POOL, THAT'S OLYMPIC SIZED POOL.
THAT'S, THAT'S OUT THAT'S GOING ON.
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72ND STREET COMPENSATION.WELL, THAT'S MAKE THAT CLEAR COMMISSIONER.
I MEAN, THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHO KNOWS BECAUSE IT'S BIG AND IT WOULD REQUIRE A LOT OF PARKING AND IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF STUFF.
IT WOULD TO MAKE IT WORK ON A THIN LOT.
IT'S, I WOULD RATHER SEE SOCCER FIELDS THERE THAN YEAH.
AND ALSO THE 72ND STREET COMPLEX IS READY TO BREAK GROUND NEXT YEAR.
I THINK ALSO, I, I MISSED THE DISCUSSION.
I BELIEVE IT WAS YESTERDAY FOR THE LOCK CABIN.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE LOCK CABIN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE COMMISSION'S GONNA GO ON THIS, BUT THE LOCK CABIN MAY WANNA GO BACK TO THE WEST LOTS.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S ALSO, THAT'S ANOTHER CURVE BALL.
MAYBE WE USE THAT AS THE CAFE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND IT'S GONNA COST EXTRA MONEY TO, TO DO THAT.
PERHAPS WE GET, YOU KNOW, UM, A VENDOR TO COME IN TO COVER THOSE COSTS AND, AND OPERATE IT SO THAT WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO COVER THE ADDED EXPENSES OF, OF BRINGING IT BACK TO THE WEST LOTS.
AND WE KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE.
WELL, JOHN JUST TOLD ME THAT THERE'S ONE IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW, OVER 72ND STREET, THE POOL.
SO, SO WHAT OLYMPIC THE POOL, THAT'S POOL.
THAT'S, THAT'S A SEPARATION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEXT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LOG CABIN.
NO, A 72ND STREET COMPLEX IS GOING TO HAVE AN OLYMPIC, A COMPETITION CALIBER POOL ON THE ROOF.
600 PLUS PARKING SPOTS, A GYM, A RUNNING TRACK AROUND IT, UM, COMMUNITY SPACE.
THE LIBRARY WILL BE MOVED FROM WHERE IT IS ON THE OCEAN TO, INTO A STATE-OF-THE-ART FACILITY AT 72ND STREET.
UM, IT'S GOING TO BE A WHOLE CONTAINED MULTIVERSE OF FAMILY ACTIVITIES.
SO ANYWAYS, WHAT I WAS SAYING IS WITH THE LOG CABIN, THAT IS ANOTHER CURVE BALL THAT WE, WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER TO, TO, TO PUT BACK ON, ON, ON, ON THE WEST LOTS.
SO, UM, ARE THEY STILL AN ENTITY? UH, THE LOG CABIN? NO.
THE, THE GROUP THAT YOU SHOULD BE THERE.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WHERE DO WE TAKE IT? WHERE, WHERE, WHERE DO YOU SUGGEST WE TAKE IT FROM HERE? WELL, UM, I GUESS I'M GONNA LOOK OVER HERE FOR A LITTLE GUIDANCE.
I THINK WE NEED A RECOMMENDATION TO COMMISSION DIRECTING STAFF TO ENGAGE IN A MASS, A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AS THE FIRST STEP OF A MASTER PLAN TO BE PRESENTED IN A COMMUNITY CHARETTE WITH TWO TO THREE OPTIONS.
SO, DO YOU NEED COM? YOU NEED TO, THIS NEEDS TO BE REFERRED TO COMMISSION FOR YOU.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO THAT FROM OUR COMMITTEE TO INSTRUCT STAFF TO, TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.
NORMALLY, UM, COMMITTEES DO NOT INSTRUCT STAFF.
IT HAS TO GO THROUGH COMMISSION.
I THINK IF THE, IF THE ADMINISTRATION IS GONNA FORMALLY ENGAGE SABINA AND MILLER TO DO THE MASTER PLAN, I THINK, UM, THE COMMISSION WOULD NEED TO VOTE TO DO THAT.
IS THAT GONNA CONSIDER, IS THAT, ARE WE GONNA NEED A WAIVER FOR THAT? NO, BECAUSE, WELL, I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE THEY ARE ON THE, THEY'RE PRE-QUALIFIED FOR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE SERVICES.
THEY'RE, I THAT INCLUDE A MASTER PLAN FOR THE PARK? I BELIEVE SO, BUT I CAN CHECK WE, OKAY.
UH, SO THIS HAS TO GO TO COMMISSION FOR COMMISSION TO VOTE TO HAVE, UH, A SORT OF MASTER PLAN FOR A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN FOR THE WEST LOTS.
AND THEN STAFF WOULD GO TO, UH, MR. MILLER AND YOU'D COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE, OR YOU'D COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, WELL, WHAT YOU COULD DO IS IF YOU WANTED TO KEEP, UM, THIS ITEM IN COMMITTEE, IT SHOULD PROBABLY GO TO, TO, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS THOUGH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE TECHNICALLY PARK STUFF IS SUPPOSED TO GO.
SO THEN IT WOULD'VE TO GO WITH THE COMMISSIONER.
BUT WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLACE AN ITEM ON THE NEXT COMMISSION AGENDA TO REFER IT TO NEIGHBORHOODS? ONCE IT COMES BACK? YEAH.
BUT WOULDN'T IT, WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO DO IT IN LAND USE BECAUSE IT'S ON THE LAND? NO, I MEAN, WE, WELL, THERE ARE TWO ASPECTS OF THIS.
I THINK THE, UM, ANY CHANGES TO, WE'RE GONNA BE VACATING STREETS.
WE, WE MAY HAVE TO, MAY HAVE TO DO IT.
SO WE CAN KEEP IT HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE LAND USE AND THE REGULATION STUFF.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE, UM, PROGRAMMING, THAT'S A, THAT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD'S WELL PARK BECAUSE PARKS AND REC IS, YOU'RE RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER PARKS AND REC IS ONE OF THE, UM, IS TYPICALLY BEFORE NEIGHBORHOODS ANY OF THE LAND USE ISSUES WOULD, COULD BE ADDRESSED HERE.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BOTH COMMITTEES.
I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO SPEED UP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT, UM, SURE.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA REFER TO COMMISSION COMMISSION'S GONNA APPROVE IT.
AND AFTER WE GET, AFTER THEY HAVE, UH, A PRODUCT, THEY GO BACK TO BOTH LAND USE AND NEIGHBORHOODS.
WELL, I WOULD RECOMMEND KEEPING THE, KEEPING THE DISCUSSION IN LAND USE ANYWAY.
DON'T, DON'T SEND THE WHOLE ITEM BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION WOULD BE TO ENGAGE SAVINA AND MILLER FOR PURPOSES OF THE CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN, BUT KEEP THE ITEM IN COMMITTEE AND THEN, UM, COMMISSIONER BOT'S GONNA SPONSOR A SEPARATE ITEM TO REFER TO NEIGHBORHOODS
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SO THAT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DISCUSS THE PROGRAMMING IN NEIGHBORHOODS.JOHN, FROM A SIZE PERSPECTIVE, HOW MANY ACRES IS THIS? MAYBE GIVE THAT IN CONTEXT.
THE BAY SHORE, I DID NOT MEASURE THE ACRES ABOUT 15 ACRES.
I MEAN, THERE'S FEW OPPORTUNITIES IN THE WORLD THAT ARE THIS UNIQUE.
AND I'D BE REMISS IF WE DIDN'T SHOOT FOR THE STARS A HUNDRED PERCENT.
LITERALLY, WE'RE SENDING PEOPLE TO MARS NOW WE CAN DO SOMETHING SPECIAL HERE.
CAN I VOLUNTEER? SOME KEEPS
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I OFTEN HAVE CAVEATS WITH, WITH MIAMI BEACH IS BESIDES OUR NATURAL RESOURCES, RIGHT, WHAT DO WE HAVE THIS WORLD CLASS WHERE YOU GO, WOW.
RIGHT SOUTH POINT PARK, BAYSHORE PARK.
AND THIS IS THE BEST OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT.
WHEN I THINK ABOUT THINGS, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC IN MIND, BUT SINGAPORE GARDENS BY THE BAY, RIGHT? SOMETHING WHERE IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU'RE FROM.
WE'RE, WE'RE MIAMI BEACH, RIGHT? AT THE END OF THE, WE ARE MIAMI BEACH AND WE DESERVE THAT.
SO I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME SORT OF HYBRID MIX OF THESE PASSIVE USAGES, THESE ACTIVE USAGES, BUT THEN ALSO FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT WHERE IT IS JUST, OH MY GOSH, WE CAN DO THINGS LIKE THIS.
HERE I HAVE RENEWED FAITH IN HUMANITY.
WELL, SO TO THAT, TO THAT POINT, I, I, I LITERALLY TELL PEOPLE ABOUT BAYSHORE PARK, AND AS YOU GUYS KNOW, I WAS ON THE HOA WITH YOU GUYS 20 SOMETHING YEARS AGO OR 15 YEARS AGO TO TRY TO GET THAT PROJECT MOVING.
AND IT WAS A LABOR OF LOVE FOR 30 PLUS YEARS.
AND IT WAS A LOT OF HEARTBREAK AND A LOT OF EFFORT AND A LOT OF TIME AND RESOURCES.
AND I LITERALLY GET EMOTIONAL WHEN I GET INTO THAT PARK AND I TELL PEOPLE WHO'VE NOT YET VISITED, IF YOU HAVEN'T GONE TO BAYSHORE PARK, YOU REALLY MUST TREAT YOURSELF BECAUSE IT WILL RESTORE YOUR FAITH IN GOVERNMENT.
WE JUST DON'T WANT IT TO TAKE 30 YEARS
AND, AND SO THAT'S WHY WHEN I SAW WHAT YOU DID WITH THAT UNDER CHERISHED PLOT OF GREEN SPACE, IT HAD BEEN KICKED AROUND AND USED IT AS A TOXIC DUMPING GROUND AFTER HURRICANES AND CONSTRUCTION STAGING AND ALL THE THINGS AND HOW YOU HAVE TRANSFORMED IT.
THAT IS WHAT I WANT FOR THE WEST LOTS.
NORTH BEACH DESERVES, WE LOVE THE CHALLENGE.
AND YES, THE NORTH SHORE OPEN SPACE PARK IS STUNNING AND IS ITS OWN THING.
AND NOBODY TAKES AWAY ANYTHING FROM THAT.
AND THIS IS GOING TO BE BUILT FOR AND BY THE COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
AND AS JOE SAID, IT IS A ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
I JUST WANNA CLOSE BY SAYING ONE OF MY HERO, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, ONE OF MY, UM, LAWRENCE HALPERN, UH, SAID, UH, YOU ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR CLIENT.
THAT WAS THE THING TO BE CAUTIOUS OF.
YOU, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ALL YOUR GREAT DESIGN SKILLS, BUT THE CLIENT, OKAY, AND I GOTTA SAY THE, THE MIAMI BEACH PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS DONE LIKE, ALMOST UNBEKNOWNST TO LIKE OVER THE LAST 20, 30 YEARS, HAS DONE AMAZING PARKS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOUTH POINT PARK THAT WE REVOLVE WITH FOR A LONG TIME.
SOUNDS SOUND PARK, SOUNDSCAPE PARK, UH, MORRISBURG PARK.
THE PRESERVATION OF THAT HAMMOCK IS AMAZING.
NOT A LOT OF CITIES WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT.
SO I THINK THEY'RE WORLD CLASS IN WHAT THEY, THEY SET THE TABLE ALREADY.
SO, UH, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH, WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND WHO WHO'VE GIVEN US A LOT OF LATITUDE TO, TO, SO, ALRIGHT, SO STRETCH THINGS.
UM, YOU GUYS WANNA MAKE A MOTION? SO I WANT TO MOVE THIS TO THE FULL COMMISSION TO INITIATE A MASTER PLAN, AND I WOULD LIKE TO REFER IT TO NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU WANT TO KEEP THESE ITEMS AT LAND USE FOR ADDITIONAL UPDATES AND ADDITIONAL, SO CONTINUE BOTH TO A FUTURE DATE, CORRECT? YES.
AND YOU KNOW, JUST THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
PREVIOUS COMMISSIONS HAVE HAD LEGACY PROJECTS, RIGHT? I, I DON'T KNOW
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WHAT, WHAT OURS IS.I'M GLAD WE GOT RID OF THE LAWN.
NO SETBACKS, UH, WHETHER THAT'S MY LEGACY OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW
BUT, UH, WE DID HAVE IN 2017 A LARGE GEO BOND FOR PARKS ACROSS THE CITY.
PERHAPS THIS COULD BE MORE HONED IN OR THERE'S PROJECTS THAT AREN'T MOVING FORWARD, MARIA, THAT COULD BE REALLOCATED TO HERE.
UM, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS LEGACY AND WORLD CLASS, LIKE WE NEED TO DO IT.
WELL, AS I MENTIONED IN THE BEGINNING, I, I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT $5 MILLION FROM THE GEO BOND FUND.
AND ALSO CRA FUNDS CAN BE, ARE PERMITTED TO BE USED FOR THIS KIND OF PERMANENT, UH, COLLECTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT THE EXPENSIVE PART, THIS IS THE PLANNING STAGE, SO WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE ALL THE MONEY IN THE ACCOUNT TOMORROW.
UM, BUT WE WILL HAVE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHUNK OF CHANGE TO PLAY WITH MM-HMM
BETWEEN THE GEO BOND AND THE CRA COMMISSIONERS.
AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE NEED, IF WE NEED ANYTHING BEYOND THAT.
UM, IF I MAY, UM, THE COMMISSIONER'S RIGHT IT, WE HAVE $5 MILLION IN THE GEO BOND SPECIFICALLY FOR WEST LOTS AND IT WAS ALWAYS CONSIDERED SEED MONEY.
SO THAT ALWAYS IMPLIED THAT THERE, IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, GONNA START AND THEN IT WOULD GROW FROM THAT.
WE ALSO HAVE A GEO BOND FOR THE SKATE PARK.
WHICH, UM, HAS, THERE'S MONEY THAT HAS NOT BEEN USED, HOW MUCH SO WE HAVE THAT.
HOW MUCH? UM, WE HAD $750,000.
I THINK WE'VE USED, UH, JOHN ABOUT A COUPLE OF HUNDRED THOUSAND.
I KNOW THAT WE NEEDED MORE BECAUSE WE HAD TO BUILD THE BATHROOM RIGHT.
SO THAT BECAME A SORT OF BUDGET KILLER FOR US WHEN WE WANTED TO DO THE EXPANSION.
BUT WE HAVE A DESIGN DONE AND EVERYTHING, IT'S REALLY BEAUTIFUL AND IT KEEPS THE TREES, UM, IT WAS REALLY NICE, UH, BACK THEN.
UM, AND WE ALSO HAD A GRANT FROM THE SKATEBOARDER FOUNDATION OR WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLED.
WE HAD ABOUT $250,000 FOR THAT.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE LOG CABIN.
UM, I KNOW THAT WE NEED MORE FUNDING FOR THAT, BUT THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN THE GEO BOND THAT TAKE ALL THIS INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE COULD EVEN THINK THE TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT MOVE TO OUR CITY, I THINK WE'D BE MORE AMBITIOUS.
WE, WE, WE COULD DO PRIVATE FUNDRAISING AND THIS COULD BE INSTEAD OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON SUNSET AND THEY'RE DONATING $10 MILLION TO THE PRE ART MUSEUM 'CAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE IN MIAMI BEACH TO DONATE.
WE SHOULD SET A GOAL OF A $50 MILLION PORK HERE TO GO OUT AND PRIVATELY FUNDRAISE WHERE PEOPLE THAT CARE ABOUT THEIR LEGACY BEING REMEMBERED FOR GENERATIONS TO COME CAN MAKE A ONCE IN A LIFETIME IMPACT ON MIAMI BEACH.
AND WE TRULY SHOOT FOR THE STORES ON THIS.
THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT COMMISSIONER MATEO SALINAS WAS, WAS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NAMING RIGHTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE TO COME FROM TAXPAYERS IF THERE'S GOING TO BE, UM, IF THERE'S GONNA BE A DESIRE FOR PRIVATE FUNDING.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, I COMMEND COMMISSIONER MATEO SALINAS FOR, FOR THINKING ABOUT THAT AND REALLY THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX.
SO, UH, I DON'T THINK WE'VE, UH, I SECOND THE MOTION, UH, SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT IN COMMITTEE AND IN LAND USE, IT'S GONNA, THERE'S GONNA BE A SEPARATE REFERRAL TO NEIGHBORHOODS TO DISCUSS THE PROGRAMMING, UH, COMMISSIONER MM-HMM
AND, UH, THAT'S AFTER WE GET BACK SOME REPORTS FROM, UH, FROM THE TEAM, FROM THE DESIGN TEAM.
AND IT WOULD BE NICE BEFORE WE DO GO TO NEIGHBORHOODS, PERHAPS COMMISSIONER BOT, SINCE WE'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, CHAMPIONING THIS TOGETHER, MAYBE WE JUST HAVE A SUNSHINE MEETING, JUST YOU AND I AND THE, AND THE DESIGN TEAM TO JUST QUICKLY GO OVER THAT SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR INPUT EARLIER.
UM, AND THEN I WANT TO JUST DO A COUPLE MORE.
[6. CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO INCENTIVIZE THE ABANDONMENT OF RETAIL OR PACKAGE SALES OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES BY BUSINESSES LOCATED ALONG LINCOLN ROAD.]
BOT THE NUMBER SIX.UH, ITEM NUMBER SIX IS CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO INCENTIVIZE THE ABANDONMENT OF RETAIL PACKAGED SALES OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, UH, BY BUSINESSES LOCATED ALONG LINCOLN ROAD.
UM, COMMISSIONER, SO THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN OUR CURRENT ENVIRONMENT OF BEING PREEMPTED BY THE STATE, UH, WE HAVE TO PROCEED CAREFULLY.
UM, BUT THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO A CLUSTER OF STORES ALONG WASHINGTON AND 17TH AND LINCOLN THAT SELL
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ALCOHOL, SINGLE USE WHAT I'M THINKING OF THESE STORES.UM, SINGLE USE, YOU KNOW, SINGLE SERVE ALCOHOL.
UM, AND IT SORT OF CREATES A, UM, A LANDING SPOT FOR PEOPLE TO BUY A SINGLE SERVE, UM, DRINK AND HANG OUT AT THE BUS STOP AND DRINK AND MAKE IT GROSS AND UNPLEASANT FOR RESIDENTS AND UNWELCOMING FOR, FOR BUSINESSES.
AND SO, TOM, IF YOU WOULD GO THROUGH IT, UM, IT, THE, THE GOAL IS TO INCENTIVIZE DIFFERENT, BETTER USE.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A LONG SHOT, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I WOULD RATHER HAVE SOMETHING THAT AIMS TO CHANGE THIS BEHAVIOR IN A WAY THAT WE CAN RATHER THAN JUST WISH AND HOPE THAT IT WOULD GET BETTER ON ITS OWN.
I THINK IT TIES IN WELL WITH PARTY ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS WHAT
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PACKAGED STORES THAT ARE CLOSER TO COLLINS.
UM, SOME ARE JUST SOUTH OF LINCOLN ROAD.
ONE IS ACTUALLY, THEY'RE NOT ON LINCOLN ROAD.
THE ONLY ONE ON LINCOLN ROAD IS NEXT TO WALGREENS.
BUT THESE AREN'T EVEN, ARE YOU REFERRING TO EVEN THE PACKAGE STORES OR THESE ARE ALSO LIKE, I MEAN WE, WE HAVE TO LOOK OURSELVES IN THE MIRROR HERE, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE DOING ALL THIS WORK.
WE'RE MAKING SO MUCH PROGRESS, BUT I MEAN, IMAGINE BEING THE GUYS THAT BUILT ESPANOLA WAY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLACES I'VE EVER SEEN.
I I WAS THERE THE THIRD WEEKEND MARCH AND IT WAS PACKED, PACKED WITH FAMILIES.
AND THEN RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET THEY OPEN UP, UH, BASICALLY A NEW EQUIVALENT OF FAT TUESDAYS.
WHERE, WHERE THEY'RE SELLING, UH, SLUSHY ALCOHOL DRINKS OUT OF A SMOOTHIE MACHINE.
IT'S DISGUSTING, DISGUSTING TACO BELL.
TACO BELL JUST OPENED UP ON WASHINGTON AVENUE RIGHT THERE.
AND WHAT IS THEIR MAIN FEATURE? THEY'RE SELLING TAKEAWAY SLUSHY TEQUILA DRINKS.
RIGHT? IT'S, I THAT'S ALSO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT, THAT'S WHY I DID THE, UGH.
UM, WOULD THE, WOULD THE, WOULD THE PACKAGE LIQUOR STORE THAT'S ON, TECHNICALLY ON LIQUOR ROAD, IS THAT THE FIVE BELOW? NO, NO.
THE PACKAGE LIQUOR STORE, THERE'S A PACKAGE LIQUOR STORE THAT'S JUST SOUTH OF LINCOLN ROAD ON THE WEST SIDE OF COLLINS.
ANOTHER ONE JUST NORTH OF LINCOLN ROAD ON THE WEST SIDE RITZ.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S THE WALGREENS LIQUOR STORE.
SO WITHIN THAT AREA, THOSE ARE ALL NON-CONFORMING IN TERMS OF CURRENT DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS.
SO BASICALLY NO NEW PACKAGE STORES COULD OPEN UP, BUT THIS REFERRAL WAS ABOUT LOOKING AT WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE THE DISCONTINUANCE OF THOSE EXISTING PACKAGE STORES.
AND SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE SUGGESTED WAS PERHAPS TYING FUTURE INCREASES IN DEVELOPMENT INTENSITY ALONG LINCOLN ROAD TO, UH, THE REMOVAL OF THOSE STORES, IF THOSE STORES HAPPEN TO EXIST WITHIN A PROPERTY OR A BUILDING WHERE SOME TYPE OF, UM, ZONING INCENTIVE IS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION.
ANOTHER THING WOULD BE TO PERHAPS LOOK AT OTHER INCENTIVES SUCH AS REDUCTIONS OR WAIVERS OF IMPACT FEES FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY IF THEY ARE WILLING TO FOREGO, UM, A PACKAGE LIQUOR STORE AND EVEN REDUCED OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS IF THEY WERE WILLING TO FOREGO THAT.
I MEAN, ASKING FINE, I MEAN, IS IS ANY, DO ANY OF THOSE POSSIBILITIES EXIST FOR THE RITZ PROJECT THAT'S UNDER PROGRESS? SURE.
UM, YOU COULD, YOU COULD INCLUDE THAT WITHIN THE LARGER AREA FOR THE RITZ PROPERTIES SPECIFICALLY WERE PROBABLY TOO LATE 'CAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY GOTTEN ALL THEIR DEVELOPMENTAL ORDERS.
I DARE I HOPE CAPITALISM TAKES CARE OF ITSELF WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL $20 MILLION CONDOS AND IT'S NOT PRUDENT TO DO SO WITH, UH, PACKAGED LIQUOR STORE BENEATH
NOT THE BRIGHTEST GUY IN THE BOAT, BUT I, I KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.
SO HOW MANY, HOW MANY, HOW MANY LOCA? THERE'S THREE.
ARE THEY, ARE THEY THE OWNERS? ONE OF THEM? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
SO EVEN IF THEY, EVEN IF THE OWNERS WANTED TO, TO, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
BUT IF THEY'RE IN A LEASE, WHAT, WHAT THAT COULD PRESENT AN ISSUE EVEN IF AN OWNER WANTED TO TAKE AN ADVANTAGE OF AN INCENTIVE, IF THE LEASE IS TIED THEIR HANDS, THAT MIGHT COMPLICATE THEM.
COMMISSIONER BOT, MAYBE I'M JUST THINKING OUTSIDE OF A BOX AS FAR AS LIKE AN INCREASED INCENTIVES.
LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, IF, IF IT'S LEASED AND YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE MAYBE A 10 YEAR LEASE AND THE OWNER CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, UM, BECAUSE
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FINANCIALLY THEY CAN'T BUY THEM OUT, AND I'M JUST SHOOTING FROM THE HIP HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU DO HAVE LIKE THE RITZ CARLTON WHO HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN HAVING THE IMMEDIATE AREA BECOME BETTER.MAYBE GIVE AN INCENTIVE FOR SOMEONE TO BUY OUT THAT PROPERTY AND MAYBE TRANSFER THAT SORT OF RIGHT.
I'M JUST THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX.
I'M, I'M HOPING IT, IT WORKS, BUT I'M THINKING ALONG THE LINES OF HAVE SOMEONE WITH THE, WITH THE CAPITAL TO ACTUALLY BUY OUT THE WHOLE LEASE AND THAT STORE AND, AND, AND GET SOMETHING OF BENEFIT TO, TO ANOTHER PROJECT WHERE LET'S SAY THE RITZ WANTS TO BUY THEM OUT, BUT LET'S GIVE THEM SOME, LET'S GIVE THEM AN INCENTIVE TO NOT NECESSARILY BUILD SOMETHING, BUT YEAH.
UM, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOUR STAFF BE WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE? SOME IDEAS? YEAH.
WE CAN EXPLORE, UM, SOME IDEAS LIKE THAT.
UM, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO MODIFY THE CODE FOR.
I MEAN, IF A ONE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH ANOTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO BUY A CERTAIN TENANT OUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THAT WOULD BE A PRIVATE TRANSACTION, RIGHT? I THINK, I THINK THE PART THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE CODIFIED OR MAYBE IT DOESN'T, MAYBE IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, MEETING WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU LARGE WELL-FUNDED BUYER WANTS TO BUY OUT THIS LEASE AND REPURPOSE THIS BUSINESS FOR SOMETHING MORE BENEFICIAL, THEN IN ADDITION TO GETTING A MORE BENEFICIAL BUSINESS USE CLOSE TO YOUR PROPERTY, YOU WOULD ALSO GET X.
AND WHAT DOES X LOOK LIKE? SO I, AND IT MAY NOT NEED TO GO INTO OUR CODE, BUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING ABOUT THIS.
HOW TO, HOW TO INCENTIVIZE BETTER RETAIL OPERATIONS.
AND MAYBE IT'S, YOU KNOW, A REBATE ON A BTR FOR A YEAR.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS LEGAL OR WHATEVER IT IS, BUT LET, CAN WE LOOK INTO THAT? OR MAYBE EVEN LIKE SEATING CAPACITY FOR CERTAIN RESTAURANTS IF THEY WANNA BUILD A RESTAURANT AND THEY HAVE CERTAIN CONSTRAINTS.
I, THERE'S A WHOLE MENU OF OPTIONS THAT YOU CAN THINK, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS YOUR ITEM.
I'M JUST SAYING I LOVE THE IDEA OF JUST TRYING TO GET RID OF THESE PACKAGE LAYERS STORES.
BUT LET'S MAKE, LET'S, LET'S DO OUR BEST TO SEE IF WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.
AND YOU HAVE A, A LARGE CAPITAL INVESTOR HAPPEN TO BE IN THE AREA WHO, WHO MIGHT TAKE NOTE OF THIS AND COMMISSIONER, MAYBE YOU WANNA REACH OUT TO THE RITZ AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M WILLING TO GIVE YOU A, A, AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO REALLY IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
HOW CAN WE WORK TOGETHER? DO YOU WANT TO BRING THIS BACK IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS WITH, UH, AFTER WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO FLUSH OUT SOME IDEAS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO, UM, MAYBE EVEN BEFORE IT COMES BACK, HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT, WHAT CAN BE DONE.
UM, WE CAN MEET WITH YOU SEPARATELY.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE STEVEN AND I MAKE SOME PHONE CALLS OR HAVE SOME MEETINGS WITH.
WHY DON'T WE START WITH A MEETING.
UM, I CAN ORGANIZE A MEETING WITH STEVEN AND NICK IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS AND THEN WE CAN PLAN SOMETHING.
AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME WE'LL JUST, UM, CONTINUE THIS TO A FUTURE DATE YEP.
UM, YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO ADD, I DUNNO IF WE FORMALLY MOVED IT OR WE JUST, IT'S JUST COMING, YEAH.
UH, LET'S CONTINUE TO A FUTURE DATE.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS ACTUALLY LET'S DO NUMBER ONE.
[7. DISCUSSION ON POSSIBLE INCLUSION OF A CHARTER OR PRIVATE SCHOOL WITHIN THE 72ND STREET COMMUNITY COMPLEX PROJECT.]
OR SEVEN? SEVEN.UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS DISCUSSION ON POSSIBLE INCLUSION OF A CHARTER OR PRIVATE SCHOOL WITHIN THE 72ND STREET COMMUNITY COMPLEX PROJECT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS.
YEAH, NO, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME BRING IT UP.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I, UM, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS ACTUALLY, ANDREA SAE BROUGHT THIS TO MY ATTENTION AND, UM, WANTED TO EXPLORE THE IDEA OF, FOR THIS 72ND STREET COMPLEX TO MAYBE HAVE A SMALL SCHOOL THERE, UM, AT, AT THE, AT THE COMPLEX.
AND I, I, I GENERALLY LIKE THE IDEA AND 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR BIGGEST PAIN POINTS, UH, UH, IN, I THINK IN SOUTH FLORIDA IN GENERAL IS JUST THE LACK OF SCHOOLS.
UM, AND I WANTED TO SEE WHAT STAFF CAN COME UP WITH TO POSSIBLY HAVING MORE SCHOOLS.
I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE A SCHOOL, UH, THAT'S EXPANDING SOUTH OF FIFTH, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GETTING, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HITTING A ROADBLOCK UNFORTUNATELY WITH SOME OF OUR, UH, PROCESSES.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO TO BRING
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IN MORE SCHOOLS INTO THE AREA.AND IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AT THE 72ND STREET COMPLEX, LET'S, THAT'S WORTH EXPLORING.
SO THE BIG, AND IF I COULD PIGGYBACK, I AM A THOUSAND PERCENT CONCEPTUALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
WE'RE PRESENTED WITH THIS GENERATIONAL OPPORTUNITY OF NEW BUSINESSES MOVING TO SOUTH FLORIDA, ESPECIALLY MIAMI BEACH.
BUT WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT ARE LEAVING THE CITY BECAUSE OF LACK OF SCHOOLS, RIGHT? YOU GET TO A CERTAIN AGE, YOU MOVE TO CO IT'S A TAIL.
AS OLD AS TIME YOU MOVE TO COCONUT GROVE, YOU, YOU MOVE AWAY.
SO WHETHER IT'S HERE OR OTHER PLACES, WE PROVIDE SOME GENERAL LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION INCENTIVES FOR THIS.
WE NEED TO REALLY PUT ON OUR THINKING CAPS AND HAVE THIS AS ONE OF OUR HIGHEST, HIGHEST PRIORITIES ABOUT WHERE WE CAN PUT IN SCHOOLS, WHETHER IT BE PUBLIC, PRIVATE, CHARTER.
IT'S JUST THE MORE SUPPLY THAT WE HAVE, THE BETTER.
SO THE, THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE FOR THIS PROJECT IS THAT THE CONSIDERATION OF ADDING A SCHOOL AT THIS POINT IN THE PROGRAM THROWS A MAJOR DELAY INTO THE PROJECT ITSELF.
THERE ARE SOME VERY SIMPLE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED.
FIRST, HOW BIG A SCHOOL, WHAT TYPE OF SPACE DO THEY NEED? DO THEY NEED ACCESS TO OUTDOOR SPACE? WHAT IS THE PROGRAM OF THE SCHOOL ITSELF? HOW WOULD THE CITY ENTER INTO THAT AGREEMENT? WHAT TYPE OF AGREEMENT IS IT? ALL OF THOSE ITEMS REQUIRE COMMISSION ACTION AT MULTIPLE LEVELS.
SO THAT TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHO WOULD BE, UH, INVOLVED OR WHO WOULD TAKE THE SPACE AND WHAT THEIR REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE INDIVIDUALLY IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD PUSH THE COMPLETION OF THE 72ND STREET PROJECT CONSIDERABLY.
THE, AND THAT'S THE, THE MAIN REASON WHY, UM, THE ADMINISTRATION'S NOT SUPPORTIVE OF DOING IT AT THIS TIME.
THERE'S ALWAYS WAYS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ACCOMMODATE SOME SPACE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
WE'RE JUST ASKING TO FINISH THE PROJECT SO THAT WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THERE.
I GET THAT THIS HAS BEEN PLANNED.
UM, SO MAYBE I'M JUST VENTING HERE.
I'M, I'M NOT GIVING DIRECTION TO CHANGE, BUT I'M JUST LIKE, WHERE ARE OUR PRIORITIES? WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE COMPETITION SIZE OR NEAR COMPETITION SIZE, SWIMMING POOLS IN THE AREA FOR SWIMMING TEAMS THAN ACTUALLY SCHOOLS.
I THIS SWIMMING POOL IN THE ROOF, AND AGAIN, THIS IS ME JUST VENTING ON, I'M NOT THROWING A CHANGE ORDER IN BECAUSE AT ONE POINT I WANTED TO, 'CAUSE I, I JUST THINK IT'S A SILLY BANG FOR THE BUCK.
THEN YOU HAD PEOPLE COME IN, SAY THEY WERE PLANNING THIS FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
I SAID, WHO AM I TO COME INTO THE LAST MINUTE AND CHANGE, BUT THI THIS SWIMMING POOL IS GONNA COST SO MUCH MONEY, TAKE UP SO MUCH SPACE FOR SUCH A SMALL, SPECIALIZED GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS, RIGHT? WHERE WE COULD ESSENTIALLY SPREAD THAT WEALTH.
AND I SAY WEALTH IN TERMS OF RESOURCES, SPREAD THAT AROUND TO PROVIDE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.
I, I JUST, I, IT'S FRUSTRATING.
I I, YOU KNOW, LOOK, I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATION'S NOT APPROVING THIS, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO GO ALONG WITH WHAT THEY SAY.
I MEAN, I, AT LEAST TWO COMMISSIONERS UP HERE, THREE, UM, VA YOU KNOW, VALUE EDUCATION.
AND I WANNA SEE, I WANT TO, I I WANT TO EXPLORE THIS A LITTLE FURTHER.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE SAID, WE'RE SPENDING, HOW, HOW MUCH IS THE POOL COMPONENT OF THIS COSTING? NAH, I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS WITH ME.
IT, IT'S NOT A CHEAP COMPONENT.
I MEAN, THE FACT THAT WE'RE, IT'S, IT'S A HOW MU HOW MUCH IS THE WHOLE PROJECT? THE CONSTRUCTION BUDGETS BETWEEN 70 AND 80 MILLION.
AND A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE PUTTING A POOL
I MEAN, IT IS, IT IS ALMOST, WHAT DO YOU THINK, MR. MAYOR? IT IS ALMOST COMICAL BEFORE YOU LEAVE
YOU'RE NOT OUTTA THE HOT SEAT
WHY NOT? I JUST QUIET AND, UH, SHOULD HAVE LEFT THE OTHER WAY.
I KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SHY ABOUT VOICING MY OPINION OF THINGS IN MY CITY.
AND I ACTUALLY HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH YOU.
IT SEEMS THAT THAT'S A VERY, DON'T, DON'T KILL ME FOR THIS, BUT IT SEEMS THAT IT'S A VERY LARGE PROJECT, VERY, UH, EXPENSIVE PROJECT.
YOU HAVE A VERY NICE POOL AT NORMANDY.
YOU HAVE A REALLY NICE POOL AT THE YOUTH CENTER AND NICE WONDER OF FLAMINGO PARK.
BUT WHAT, UH, IT IS FESTIVUS, MR. MAYOR, THAT'S THE, IT IS JUST AIR YOUR GRIEVANCES.
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THIS IS LIKE FREE, FREE TIME TO, YOU KNOW, I, I, I ALSO HAVE TO THINK, YOU HAVE TO TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO ABOUT THE BYRON AND CARLISLE AND THE EXPENSE OF THAT AND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA, WHAT'S GONNA RESULT FROM THAT.UH, AND YOU KNOW, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT.
YOU KNOW, THE BYRON CARLISLE, THE SWIMMING POOL, I'M SORRY, ALL OF THIS HOLD, HOLD ON.
I'LL, THE BYRON CARLISLE HAS NOT BEEN NOTICED.
WE ARE NOT BEING WELL, NO, NO, NO.
IT'S COMING ONTO THE COMMISSION MEETING AGENDA NEXT APRIL.
WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS THAT WE ARE, WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS THAT WE ARE EXPANDING PROGRAMS FOR CHILDREN IN THE BYRON CARLISLE AT THE POOL, AND WE'RE MAKING MORE PARKS, BUT WE'RE NOT INCENTIVIZING MORE SCHOOLS.
AND I'M, LOOK, I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE BYRON CROWLEY.
I, I DUNNO WHERE THAT CAME FROM, BUT WHAT'S THE NEXT ONENESS THAT YOU WERE JUST GIVING ME? YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BAIL LINKS? I'M JUST, YOU'RE JUST GIVING ME FREE SHOTS.
I THINK IT COMES FROM THE FACT THAT YOU STILL HAVE AN ITEM TRYING TO KILL THE BYRON CARLISLE ON THE AGENDA FOR APRIL.
THERE'S NO ITEM TO KILL ANYTHING.
IT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER.
THAT WAS MY, AND AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
IT SHOULDN'T BE DESISTED, BUT THAT WAS MY OWN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALMOST FIVE O'CLOCK IN.
IT'S ALMOST FIVE IN THE CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON, AND IT'S ALMOST, UH, YOU KNOW, ALMOST PASSOVER.
AND I JUST FELT LIKE
I THINK WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT IS WE'RE DOING ALL OF THESE PROGRAMS FOR CHILDREN, YET WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT REALLY INCENTIVIZING MORE CHILDREN TO WANT TO BE HERE IN MIAMI BEACH TO BEGIN WITH.
YOU KNOW, AND THAT ALL STARTS WITH SCHOOLS, RIGHT? UM, WE CAN HAVE ALL THE PROGRAMS IN THE WORLD FOR CHILDREN, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S NO SCHOOLS HERE, THEN THESE PROGRAMS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA, OTHER KIDS FROM OTHER CITIES ARE GONNA COME HERE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T WANT THAT.
I WANT, I WANT THERE TO BE A HEALTHY, YOU KNOW, INFLUX.
AND I WANT FAMILIES TO COME HERE, RAISE CHILDREN HERE AND, AND HAVE GENERATIONS OF MIAMI BEACH FOR, FOR, FOR YEARS TO COME.
SO, LOOK, UM, I, I MEAN, I, I STATED THIS ON THE RECORD.
I, I HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT AN OLYMPIC SIZED SWIMMING POOL AT THE 72ND STREET GARAGE.
WOULD I RATHER HAVE A SCHOOL THERE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE NEED TO, MAYBE WE NEED TO DISCUSS THIS AT THE, AT THE COMMISSION MEETING, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY NOW TO ACTUALLY HAVE POSSIBLY ANOTHER SCHOOL IN MIAMI BEACH.
AND I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S A, A A, A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY.
SO, I DON'T KNOW, COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE, I KNOW YOU'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS.
LET, LET ME ASK YOU JUST IF, IF I WAS A CHARTER SCHOOL OR PRIVATE SCHOOL OPERATOR, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RESTRICTED TO CITY LAND, AND I'M ASKING YOU QUESTIONS, I, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN PERSONALLY ASKED, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE TO BRING X, Y, Z SCHOOL IN TO MIAMI BEACH.
WHAT, WHERE'S THE RIGHT LOCATION FOR IT? I, I'VE, I'LL TELL YOU WHERE I'VE THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THE STORY NIGHTCLUB SITE COULD BE GOOD.
UH, THE MIAMI BEACH WOMEN'S CLUB AND THAT KIND OF ADJOINING, UH, HOTEL, UH, THAT'S RIGHT THERE.
UM, THIS COULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY.
WHERE, WHERE DO YOU THINK WOULD BE GOOD OPPORTUNITIES, WHETHER THEY BE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE? MOST OF OUR ZONING DISTRICTS ALLOW SCHOOLS IN SOME FORM, BUT FOR, FORGET THAT, RIGHT? WE, WE COULD CHANGE THAT ZONING SENSE, BUT IN, IN TERMS OF MY UNDERSTANDING IN TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE BUILT THESE, IS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SPACE.
UM, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR EITHER THE ABILITY TO BUILD NEW BUILDINGS, UM, AS WELL AS HAVE SPACE.
AND HAVING, UH, THESE TYPES OF SCHOOLS IN URBAN SETTINGS ACTUALLY CAN BE A GOOD THING.
SO I THINK THE, THE SKY'S THE LIMIT IN TERMS OF THE AVAILABILITY OF A BUILDING WITH ADJACENT SPACE.
BUT WHERE WOULD YOU DIRECT SOMEBODY? THEY SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, I'M THIS, UH, PRIVATE SCHOOL OPERATOR FROM LONDON, NEW YORK.
AND WE WANNA PROVIDE THIS, UH, GREAT EDUCATION OPPORTUNITY, WHETHER IT BE THE CHARTER SCHOOL ROUTE, PRIVATE SCHOOL ROUTE.
TOM, MR. URBAN PLANNING DIRECTOR DIRECTS ME TO FOCUS HERE.
AND WHEN WE, WHEN THAT QUESTION'S BEEN POSED TO US IN THE PAST, WHAT I'VE TOLD PEOPLE IS A LOT REALLY DEPENDS UPON HOW MUCH MONEY THEY WANNA SPEND, WHAT THEIR BUDGET IS.
BUT IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING FOR THE AVAILABILITY OF APPROPRIATE SIZED BUILDINGS, UM, OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ARE VERY GOOD PLACES TO LOOK UP IN NORTH BEACH, ALONG COLLINS AVENUE, THERE'S A HOST
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OF LARGE PROPERTIES WITH BUILDINGS THAT HAVE A LOT OF SPACE IN THEM.THE AREA BETWEEN 65TH AND 69TH, FOR INSTANCE, THE AREA NORTH OF 71ST STREET ALONG 71ST STREET ALONG NORMANDY, AND THAT'S JUST NORTH BEACH.
AND THEN IF YOU GET DOWN TO, UM, MID BEACH, SOUTH BEACH, UM, ALTON ROAD, FIFTH STREET, THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS THAT HAVE THAT AVAILABLE TYPE OF BUILDING.
IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHAT SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO PAY AND HOW MUCH SOMEBODY IS OFFERING THE PROPERTY FOR, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF A LEASE OR IN TERMS OF, UM, A PURCHASE.
BUT WE, BUT WE WOULDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY LIKE THIS WHERE YOU'D HAVE THAT MUCH SPACE WHERE THE GOVERNMENT CAN SAY, HEY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SCHOOL.
I MEAN, I, I CAN'T THINK OF A, A, A PLACE THAT'S ON GOVERNMENT LAND TO DO THAT, THAT OF THAT SIZE.
NO, NOT, I CAN'T THINK OF ONE EITHER.
AND WE'RE NOT TALKING IN PLACE OF THE RECREATIONAL FACILITY.
WE'RE TALKING INCORPORATED, INCORPORATED INTO IT.
UM, AND BY THE WAY, AND BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE AN ACT, AN ADDED COST.
I MEAN, WE WOULD WANT TO EXPLORE SOME SORT OF PARTNERSHIP, UH, WITH, WITH, WITH A POSSIBLE SCHOOL COMMISSIONER.
BUT DAVID, HOW MUCH HAVE WE PUT INTO THIS PROJECT ALREADY? I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
AND THEN IT'S ABOUT 70 TO 80, $80 MILLION TO BUILD IT.
AND WHAT ARE THE LEGALITIES OF, UM, CITY USING TAXPAYER MONEY TO PAY FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL OR A CHARTER SCHOOL? IT'S ONE THING IF WE WERE BUILDING A, A PUBLIC SCHOOL, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS WOULD BE.
YOU'RE PROPOSING A PRI PRIVATE SCHOOL OR CHARTER SCHOOL? POTENTIALLY.
WE LEASE CITY LAND EVERYWHERE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LEASING.
WE'RE, WHO'S THAT? UH, FROM WHAT I'M TAKING AWAY, WE WANT TO REIMAGINE THE DESIGN OF WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PLANNED.
AND I WAS A, A LONG TIME OPPONENT OF PUTTING A POOL ON A ROOF, AND I WAS CONVINCED THAT IT WAS OKAY BECAUSE WE WERE GONNA GET SO MUCH BUSINESS FROM THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONAL LEVEL SWIM MEETS, THAT IT WAS GONNA BE WORTHWHILE.
SO I, I'M OPEN TO THE IDEA OF REIMAGINING THINGS, BUT I'M NOT OPEN TO THE IDEA OF THE CITY SPENDING, LET'S SAY $35 MILLION TO SUBSIDIZE THE PURCHASE AND BUILD OUT OF A SCHOOL.
I'M VERY HAPPY TO FIND SPACE FOR A SCHOOL TO COME IN.
I MEAN, THE MORE SCHOOLS THE MERRIER.
I MOVED HERE BECAUSE THE SCHOOLS WERE GREAT.
UM, THE MORE SCHOOLS THE MERRIER.
BUT I AM NOT OKAY WITH SPENDING GEO BOND MONEY, TAXPAYER MONEY TO SUBSIDIZE A PRIVATE ENTERPRISE.
IF THEY WANNA COME IN AND THEY WANNA SAY, HEY, WE WANNA, WE WILL PAY YOU TO REIMAGINE 50% OF THE STRUCTURE FOR THE SCHOOL THAT WE WANNA BRING HERE.
AND WE WILL SPLIT THE, THE, THE, THE COST OF BUILDING THE FACILITY.
HOW? JUST, BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT OKAY WITH THEORETICALLY ONE, WHAT I WAS THINKING OF WAS, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ON THE FLY, RIGHT? YOU, YOU LEASE IT TO THE SCHOOL.
BUT HOW'S THAT DIFFERENT THAN SUBSIDIZING AN ARTS ORGANIZATION SO YOU'RE NOT LEASING IT TO THE SCHOOL BECAUSE YOU CAN'T LEASE SOMETHING THAT ISN'T BUILT TO A SCHOOL SPECIFICATION.
IT HAS TO BE DESIGNED FOR A SCHOOL.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE BUILDING A COMMUNITY SPORTS COMPLEX.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE CENTER ACADEMY WAS, WAS THEY, THEY PURCHASED THE BUILDING AND THAT BUILDING WASN'T DESIGNED FOR A SCHOOL.
IT WAS ACTUALLY DESIGNED, I THINK FOR LIKE A CLUB OR I BELIEVE, BUT I'M NOT, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO REDESIGN THE WHOLE THING.
I'M SAYING A SPACE IN THE ALREADY DESIGNED ASPECT.
I MEAN, IT'S MORE OF LIKE INTERIOR THAN, THAN EXTERIOR OF, OF WHAT I'M, OF WHAT I'M DISCUSSING.
AND I'M NOT ALSO SAYING WE WOULD SUBSIDIZE IT AT ALL.
I'M SAYING LET'S EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF A, OF A, OF A TOP RANKED SCHOOL COMING AND SAYING, HEY, WE WANT TO INVEST WITH YOU, UH, CITY OF MIAMI BEACH TO OPEN UP A FLAGSHIP SCHOOL IN, IN NORTH BEACH.
AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE WANT TO BE PARTNERS IN IT.
I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GONNA SPEND $35 MILLION TO, TO REDESIGN THIS TO, TO ACCOMMODATE.
WELL, IF WE HAVE THIS, UM, THESE CORRIDORS OF UNDERUTILIZED, UM, IN BUILDING INVENTORY THAT COULD USE A MAKEOVER AND A REPURPOSING OF USAGE UP IN NORTH BEACH, WHICH WE DO, WHY WOULD WE NOT HAVE THAT SAME EXACT CONVERSATION WITH PRIVATE AND CHARTER SCHOOLS AND SAY, YOU CAN HAVE FRONT ROW SEATING, YOU CAN HAVE THE PICK OF THE LITTER AT THESE GREAT SPOTS THROUGHOUT NORTH BEACH AND LET US WORK WITH YOU TO THAT'S PRIVATE.
ISN'T THAT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE LAND? IT'S UNDERUTILIZED PRIVATE LAND.
IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEN THERE'D BE A BUNCH OF SCHOOLS OPEN UP.
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RIGHT?AND, BUT THERE'S NOT, IT, THE, THE, THE LOWEST HANGING FRUIT FOR SOME OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS ISN'T TO BUILD SCHOOLS.
IT'S TO BUILD ULTRA LUXURY CONDOS.
AND ESPECIALLY WITH LIVE LOCAL, IT'S, IT'S EVEN, IT'S EVEN LOWER HANGING FRUIT.
AND SO, LOOK, I, I, AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO RE COMPLETELY CHANGE THE DESIGN.
I'M SAYING INCORPORATE IN THERE INSTEAD OF, I DUNNO, WHAT, WHAT WERE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE IN THERE, BUT MAYBE WE, WE DEDICATE, UH, YOU KNOW, HALF OF ONE OF THESE FLOORS TO, TO A, A SCHOOL.
MAYBE IT'S JUST A SCHOOL FOR SMALL CHILDREN.
I THINK THAT'S WORTH, I I THINK IF WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, A, AS A CITY, LET'S DO THAT.
LOOK, WE HAVE, WE, LIKE COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE SAID, WE GIVE ALL SORTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR ARTS AND CULTURE, RIGHT.
AND, UM, A HOST OF NONPROFITS.
BUT WE HAVE HAVE LIVE NATION OPERATING THE FILLMORE.
I I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULDN'T USE SIMILAR OPPORTUNITIES FOR EDUCATION.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PRIVATE ENTITY OPERATING THE BYRON CARRO, RIGHT? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRIVATE ENTITY.
DO WE OWN THE COLONY THEATER? YEAH.
AND COMMISSIONER BOT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MR. COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.
WE'RE GONNA LITERALLY REDEVELOP AND SPEND UP TO $40 MILLION REDEVELOPING THE BAR CARLISLE FOR AN ARTS ORGANIZATION AND THE FILLMORE FOR LIVE NATION.
IT'S A PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY.
THEY, THEY HAVE A MARKET CAP OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THE ISSUE WITH INCENTIVIZING OR PUTTING ON PUBLIC LAND A A PARTNERSHIP WITH A REAL FLAGSHIP SCHOOL TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY ATTRACT, YOU KNOW, MORE FAMILIES TO MIAMI BEACH COMMISSIONER BOT.
WELL, LOOK, I, I THINK THIS IS GOOD DISCUSSION.
I THINK WE SHOULD BRING THIS TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, AND, AND, AND REALLY, AND HEAR IT OUT BECAUSE LOOK, I, AND I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE POOL FOR THOSE OF WHO ARE WATCHING.
I'M SAYING LET'S LET, LET'S BRING IT IN.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN WE FIRST GOT ELECTED AND WE REALIZED COMMISSIONER BOT, THAT THERE WAS ONLY GONNA BE LIKE AN ADDED 50 SPACES EXTRA.
WE SAID, WELL, WHY DON'T WE JUST BUILD ANOTHER FLOOR AND WE'LL GET ANOTHER A HUNDRED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PARKING IS, IS IN HIGH DEMAND.
IF WE, IF WE CAN DO THAT FOR PARKING ONE FLOOR, MAYBE WE COULD DO THAT FOR A, A SCHOOL WHICH WOULD BE PAID BY THE THE SCHOOL.
AND WE SAW IT AT FERC THIS MORNING.
SOMEBODY'S GOING TO, UH, MAKE A PROPOSAL TO COME AND BUILD AN OFFICE PROJECT ON AN EXISTING ROOFTOP.
SO IF IT'S AT THE ONSET, WHY COULDN'T WE BUILD A SCHOOL ON THE ROOFTOP OF THIS? RIGHT.
AND AGAIN, NOT IT WILL BE CAPITALIZED BY OUR MONEY, BUT THEN LEASED OUT.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT GIVING THIS AWAY, RIGHT.
JUST LIKE HOW WE OWN THE ANCHOR SHOPS AND WE LEASE THAT TO A PRIVATE RESTAURANT OPERATOR.
IT, WE WOULD LEASE THIS TO A SCHOOL.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
WHAT? JUST FOR CONSIDERATION? YEAH.
I'LL SECOND WANT TO CONCLUDE THE ITEM AND MOVE IT TO THE FULL COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION.
I THINK THAT'S IT FOR THE DAY.