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          OKAY. 
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GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. 
          SORRY FOR THE DELAY. 
          WE WERE WAITING FOR, UH, NICK URGS, BUT WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND START. 
          UH, WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY, I'M SORRY, APRIL 7TH. 
          PLANNING BOARD MEETING. 
          UM, WANNA START WITH A, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM 
          [1. MARCH 10, 2026 MEETING ]
LAST MEETING IF I COULD GET A MOTION. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          OKAY. 
          A SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          ANYONE OPPOSED? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. 
          [CITY ATTORNEY UPDATES]
CITY ATTORNEY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          TODAY'S MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD IS BEING CONDUCTED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH THE QUORUM OF THE BOARD PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AT MIAMI BEACH CITY HALL, AND APPLICANT'S STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM. 
          THOSE WISHING TO PARTICIPATE IN TODAY'S MEETING VIA ZOOM MAY DIAL 8 7 7 8 5 3 5 2 5 7, WHICH IS THE TOLL FREE NUMBER. 
          AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 6 1 4 3 4 2 6 3 2 7 POUND, OR LOG IN UP TO THE ZOOM APP AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH AGAIN IS 8 6 1 4 3 4 2 6 3 2 7. 
          INDIVIDUALS WISHING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM. 
          MUST CLICK THE RAISE HAND ICON IF USING THE ZOOM APP OR DIAL STAR NINE IF PARTICIPATING BY PHONE BEFORE I SWEAR IN THOSE WHO ARE TESTIFYING, I'M GOING TO READ INTO THE RECORD THE CITY'S NOTICE REGARDING LOBBYIST REGISTRATION. 
          IF YOU'RE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A BUSINESS CORPORATION OR ANOTHER PERSON, INCLUDING AS AN ARCHITECT, ATTORNEY, OR REPRESENTATIVE OF AN APPLICANT, OR AN OBJECTOR, YOU NEED TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. 
          BEFORE YOU SPEAK TO THE BOARD, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO REGISTER IF YOU ARE SPEAKING ONLY ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF. 
          YOU ARE TESTIFYING AS AN EXPERT WITNESS PROVIDING ONLY SCIENTIFIC, TECHNICAL, OR OTHER SPECIALIZED INFORMATION OR TESTIMONY IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING. 
          OR YOU ARE APPEARING AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION OR REIMBURSEMENT FOR YOUR APPEARANCE TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR OR OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM. 
          EXPERT WITNESSES AND REPRESENTATIVES OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SHALL PRIOR TO APPEARING DISCLOSE IN WRITING TO THE CITY CLERK, THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THE PRINCIPLE ON WHOSE BEHALF THEY'RE COMMUNICATING. 
          THESE RULES APPLY WHETHER YOU ARE APPEARING IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST AN ITEM, OR ENCOURAGING OR ARGUING AGAINST ITS PASSAGE, DEFEAT, MODIFICATION, OR CONTINUANCE. 
          I'LL NOW SWEAR IN EVERYONE WHO IS PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AND INTENDS TO TESTIFY. 
          VIRTUAL SPEAKERS WILL NEED TO BE SWORN IN ONE BY ONE BEFORE ADDRESSING THE BOARD. 
          SO IF YOU'LL BE TESTIFYING, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. 
          DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL BE GIVING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE NOW HAVE FULL BOARD. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA PROCEED 
          [2. PB22-0495, 1801 COLLINS AVENUE – SHELBORNE HOTEL. STANDARD PROGRESS REPORT AS REQUIRED BY THE CUP.  ]
WITH THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS PROGRESS REPORTS FOR PLANNING BOARD FILE TWENTY TWO OH FOUR NINE FIVE. 
          UH, THE SHE BORN HOTEL. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          THIS IS A STANDARD PROGRESS REPORT AS REQUIRED BY THE CUP. 
          UM, THE CUP FOR THE SHELL BORN HOTEL WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2005. 
          IN 2022, THE BOARD APPROVED MODIFICATIONS TO THE CUP AS PART OF THE RENOVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE HOTEL, WHICH REOPENED LATE LAST YEAR. 
          THE APPLICANT IS BEFORE THE BOARD FOR A PROGRESS REPORT. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN NO WARNINGS OR VIOLATIONS ISSUED TO THE PROPERTY SINCE REOPENING AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THE BOARD HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AND THE PUBLIC AND CONCLUDE THE REPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE TO HEAR. 
          COUNSELOR. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          NICHOLAS RODRIGUEZ ON BEHALF OF THE SHELL BORNE HOTEL. 
          UH, SO AS JAKE MENTIONED, THEY DID OPEN AT THE END OF LAST YEAR AROUND OCTOBER. 
          UH, WE'VE HAD NO VIOLATIONS, NO ISSUES. 
          UH, THEY ARE PROCEEDING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR CUP AND THEIR OPERATIONS PLAN. 
          THEIR VALET HAS BEEN WORKING AS INTENDED. 
          UM, PRETTY LOW UTILIZATION RIGHT THERE. 
          UH, AND THEY'RE, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, UH, THE NEW LOBBY BAR IS REALLY BEAUTIFUL. 
          THEY RESTORED THE ORIGINAL MORRISS LAPIDUS DESIGNED TO THE LOBBY, AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE ENTERTAINMENT IN THE LOBBY. 
          THAT'S WHAT THIS BOARD APPROVED FOR THEM. 
          SOMETHING DIFFERENT, UH, THAN WHAT THEY ACTUALLY PREVIOUSLY HAD. 
          AND THAT ENTERTAINMENT IN THE LOBBY HAS GONE REALLY WELL. 
          UH, WE HAVE A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET, BUT THE, THE INGENIOUS SOLUTION WAS PROVIDING A, A NOISE LIMITER IN THE PORT CASHIER. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY DID THEIR SOUND TESTING WITH DEBBIE AND MICHAEL BELU AND WE'VE HAD NO ISSUES WITH SOUND ESCAPING THAT LOBBY BAR, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE HAVING EVENTS WITH ENTERTAINMENT AND PRETTY FREQUENTLY. 
          SO, UH, I THINK WE'RE PROUD OF THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING AT THE SHELBOURNE. 
          WE HOPE THEY CAN KEEP IT UP. 
          UH, BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, SO FAR SO GOOD AND WE INTEND TO KEEP IT THAT WAY, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY IN CHAMBERS HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ANYBODY ON ZOOM? OKAY. 
          CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD OR SOMEBODY WANNA MOVE IT? I'LL MOVE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SECOND. 
          SO YOU'RE MOVING TO CLOSE IT OUT? MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANYONE OPPOSED? THIS JUST SHOWS WE CAN HAVE ENTERTAINMENT AND YET HAVE QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          THAT'S A GOOD MIX. 
          I WANTED TO MENTION IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S PRECISELY FOR THAT. 
          THERE IS ENTERTAINMENT THAT WORKS IN SOME PLACES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [3. PB18-0251, 500 ALTON ROAD. PROGRESS REPORT DUE TO PARKING VIOLATIONS.  ]
OKAY, THE NEXT IS A SECOND PROGRESS REPORT, PLANNING BOARD FILE AT 18 0 2 5 1 500 ALTON ROAD. 
          UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          SO THIS, UM, IS FOR THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL BUILDING LOCATED AT, UM, 
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ON ALTON ROAD IN FIFTH STREET. 
          UM, THERE WERE SOME RECENT DISCUSSIONS REGARDING, UM, SOME ISSUES THAT THE PROPERTY HAS HAD WITH THEIR LOADING. 
          THE PROPERTY IS GOVERNED BY A CUP, IT RECEIVED IN 2019 FROM THIS BOARD, UM, FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT STRUCTURE. 
          SO IT DOESN'T HAVE ENTERTAINMENT, IT'S NOT A NIGHTCLUB. 
          HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE, OF THE PROJECT, IT DID RECEIVE A NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT STRUCTURE, CUP. 
          UM, WITHIN THAT CUP, WHICH WE HAD PASSED OUT TO YOU, THERE ARE SEVERAL CONDITIONS THAT GOVERN LOADING. 
          THE LOADING CAN TAKE PLACE, UM, THROUGH THE LOADING DOCK OFF, OFF OF ALTON ROAD OR ON THE SIXTH STREET EASEMENT AREA. 
          SO THEY HAVE THOSE TWO LOCATIONS THAT ARE RATHER SPECIFIC IN TERMS OF THE HOURS. 
          UM, THERE ARE CONDITIONS, UM, AND I THINK THIS GOES WITHOUT BEING SAID, THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO IMPEDE, UH, TRAFFIC IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OR, OR IMPEDE THE RIGHT OF WAY WHATSOEVER. 
          UM, THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW SINCE, UM, I THINK IT WAS SINCE, UH, SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, A FEW PARKING VIOLATIONS THAT WERE ISSUED THIS RECENTLY CAME TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S ATTENTION. 
          UM, WE HAD REACHED OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL AS THE MANAGEMENT WHO'S HERE TODAY TO, TO ADDRESS YOU, UM, TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. 
          UM, I KNOW THE PARKING DEPARTMENT HAS ALSO BEEN ON SITE WITH THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE PROPERTY WHO, UM, IS, IS WORKING WITH THEM TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO TAKE ALL OF THE ALLOWED LOADING AND GET IT INTO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY AND NOT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          UM, SO I THINK IF THE, IF A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE BUILDING WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD THAT THE CITATION OF OBSTRUCTING, WHICH, UH, FOR ALTON. 
          SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A STRIPED AREA AS YOU APPROACH THE BUILDING FROM THE SOUTH, UM, THAT IS REALLY FOR AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE ONLY, UM, PORTION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND WHAT, UM, THESE, I BELIEVE MOST OF THE VIOLATIONS WERE FOR THE, UH, FOR PARKING, LARGE LOADING TRUCKS IN THAT AREA. 
          THERE'S THERE AND THEN A PARKING EITHER A CORRECT, A POLICE OFFICER OR SOMEONE IN PARKING DEPARTMENT SAW IT AND GAVE A CITATION. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS PART OF THE, THE, UH, BY PARK. 
          PARK. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          MORNING, THE BOARD, UH, HECTOR MURILLO WITH, UH, TERRA GROUP, UH, BUREAU REPRESENTING TC 500. 
          ALTON, THE DEVELOPER. 
          I'M WITH, UH, MARVIN PALACIOS, WHO IS THE O OPERATIONS MANAGER FOR KW FOR FIVE PARK, AND I THINK CHRISTINA CAMARGO, WHICH IS THE GENERAL MANAGER. 
          GOOD. 
          AND I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT SPECIFICS. 
          SO YOU SAY GENERAL MANAGER, GENERAL MANAGER OF WHAT? YES. 
          OF FIVE PARK BUILDING PARK, THE WHOLE BUILDING, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD GENERAL MANAGERS. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, YES, I DO. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          PLEASURE TO MEET YOU. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TODAY. 
          UH, BEFORE WE GO WITH OUR PROGRESS REPORT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF WE CAN PASS IT AROUND SURE. 
          FOR YOU TO HAVE SOME ILLUSTRATIONS FOR YOU TO TAKE A LOOK. 
          WE JUST, FIRST OF ALL, WANTED TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU AND TO THE COMMUNITY FOR ANY INCONVENIENCES THAT ALL LOADING DOCK OPERATIONS HAVE CAUSED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND AT THE SAME TIME, THANK YOU AND ALL THE COLLEAGUES FROM THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH FOR ALL THE SUPPORT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE GIVEN US IN UNDERSTANDING THE ISSUES AT HAND. 
          MARVIN, WHO IS OUR OPERATIONS MANAGER, IS GOING TO BE, UM, WALKING YOU THROUGH THIS PROGRESS REPORT. 
          HE HAS SOME ILLUSTRATIONS THAT BE VERY HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION AHEAD. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, EXCUSE ME, I GOT A LITTLE SICK THIS WEEKEND, SO I LOST MY VOICE. 
          JUST STAY OVER THERE. 
          BE CAREFUL. 
          YEAH, YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY SANITIZE EVERYTHING AROUND ME AFTER. 
          BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUES WE HAD WITH THE CITY WAS TWO THINGS, RIGHT? HAVING CONTRACTORS PARKING ON THE STRIPED RIGHT AWAY OF ALTON, HEADING SOUTHBOUND TO THE CAUSEWAY AND CONTRACTORS DOING ILLEGAL MANEUVERING ON ALTON WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO BACK INTO A RECEIVING BAY, WHICH ON PAGE THREE, ON PAGE THREE OF WHAT HE HANDED OUT, YOU'LL SEE THE PICTURES OF OF HIM SPECIFIC TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO THESE AREAS HAVE BEEN MARKED OUT, OBVIOUSLY, TO KIND OF GIVE THAT TRAFFIC OUT OF THE ISLAND A STRAIGHT FLUSH INTO THE CAUSEWAY, SINCE WE KNOW AT THREE O'CLOCK, THREE TO FIVE 30 THAT CAUSEWAY GETS PACKED WITH VEHICLES LEAVING THE ISLAND. 
          UM, TO MAXIMIZE THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR RECEIVING BAY, WE HAVE REMOVED ALMOST EVERYTHING ENTIRELY EXCEPT THE BIG BIN THAT WE HAVE FOR CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS. 
          BUT IN OUR RECEIVING BAY, AS TARA INITIALLY HAD GIVEN THE CITY, A PROMISE WAS OUR RECEIVING BAY WAS GONNA BE THE MANEUVERING AREA FOR CONTRACTORS. 
          SO THEY GAVE IT ENOUGH SPACE FOR A BIG TRUCK, 18 YARDS TO GO INSIDE AND REVERSE INTO OUR BAY AREAS AND NOT HAVE TO DO THAT ON THE STREET. 
          SO NOW THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH A PLAN TO KIND OF MITIGATE THAT TRAFFIC, 
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WE'VE REMOVED A LOT OF THINGS FROM OUR RECEIVING BASE SO THAT BIG TRUCKS ARE COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO ENTER INSIDE OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY AND NOT HAVE TO HAVE ANY WORK OR ANY UNLOADING, OFFLOADING ON TON ROAD TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THE TRAFFIC IS AS, AS FLUID AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO, UM, IN, SORRY, EXCUSE ME, MY VOICE. 
          THE THREE BAYS WE HAVE, WE HAVE THREE BAYS TO ACCOMMODATE MOVE-INS AND TO ACCOMMODATE DELIVERIES FOR THE BUILDING. 
          WE HAVE STARTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE SO EVERYONE CAN BACK IN. 
          AND WE ARE NOW CHECKING IN CONTRACTORS AT A MUCH BROADER SPACE TO ALLOW TRUCKS TO COME INSIDE AND JUST MANEUVER IN OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          I'VE NOT REPEATED THAT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BEFORE, BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME THAT WE HAD IN OUR BUILDING OPENING UP, A LOT OF TRUCKS WERE JUST OUTSIDE STANDING. 
          THIS IS WHEN THE CITY GOT I GUESS, THE MOST ALERTS. 
          'CAUSE WE HAD TWO OR THREE TRUCKS PARKING OUTSIDE AND IT REALLY DIDN'T HELP TRAFFIC WHEN PEDESTRIANS ARE WALKING BY BICYCLES, PEOPLE WALKING THE DOGS. 
          SO NOW, UM, WE'RE MONITORING WITH CAMERAS ON ALTON ROAD TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYTIME WE SEE A TRUCK PASS BY, WE CAN SEND A SECURITY OFFICER OR OUR RECEIVING AGENTS TO KIND OF TELL THE DRIVERS, HEY, YOU NEED TO MOVE OVER OR YOU NEED TO COME INSIDE THE LOADING DOCK. 
          ONE OF THE TWO, UM, THE DUMPSTER PLACEMENT THAT WE HAVE INSIDE OUR RECEIVING BAY TO ALLOW THE THIRD PARTY WASTE MANAGEMENT GROUP TO PICK UP OUR TRASH HAS BEEN MOVED ALSO SO THAT THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE THEMSELVES EARLY ENOUGH IN THE MORNING WITH NO TRAFFIC IS INTO OUR BAY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE WHOLE LOADING DOCK TO THEMSELVES AND TAKE OUR TRASH. 
          UM, WE'VE CONTACTED THEM ALSO SO THAT WE CAN SCHEDULE FOR THE FUTURE JUST A TRASH PICKUP BEFORE OUR RECEIVING OPERATIONS EVEN OPEN, WHICH WILL BE SOMETIME BETWEEN SEVEN 30 AND EIGHT 30 IN THE MORNING, UM, SINCE WE OPEN FROM NINE TO FOUR O'CLOCK. 
          UM, AND, AND THE RULES THAT WE'VE ENFORCED TOO IS WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERY CONTRACTOR BEFOREHAND WITH OUR ADMIN, WHEN THEY'RE SCHEDULING CONTRACTORS KNOW TO TELL THEIR DRIVERS THAT THERE IS NO PARKING ON THE RIGHT OF WAY OF ALTON AND THEY MUST ALL COME INSIDE OUR LOADING DOCK TO MANEUVER. 
          UM, AND, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH BEEN THE PLAN THAT'S BEEN WORKING NOW AS THERE'S MUCH LESS TRAFFIC THAT'S BEING LET IN HILTON. 
          AND I'M SURE, I MEAN, YOU CAN TELL, BUT I FEEL LIKE AFTER THESE, THIS PLAN IS PUT INTO PLACE IN THE LAST MONTH OR SO, IT'S DEFINITELY ALLOWED US TO ACCOMMODATE AND BE ABLE TO LET OUR RESIDENTS KNOW THAT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY AN A MAGNIFYING GLASS ON US FOR THE MOST PART. 
          AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR MOVE-INS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE COMPLY WITH THE CITY. 
          WAS IT IMPACTING THE RESIDENTS GETTING IN THE BUILDING? IT WAS, WELL, THE MOVE-INS, SO THERE WAS A LOT OF, A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE NEW BUILDING. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          FIRST OF ALL, UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY COOL AND NICE THAT YOU DID THIS KIND OF ADDRESSING EACH PROBLEM. 
          I I LIKE THAT. 
          UM, I NOTICE, UNLESS I'M NOT READING THIS PROPERLY, THAT YOU HAVE FOUR CITATIONS, BUT THREE OF THEM WERE ON THE SAME DAY AT THREE DIFFERENT TIMES. 
          UH, IS WAS SOMETHING GOING ON ON DECEMBER 10TH? LIKE, I BELIEVE IT'S JUST SINCE THE SEASON IS BACK, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF RESIDENTS THAT WERE MOVING IN YEAH. 
          AND THEY'RE NOT AWARE OF THE RULES MORE OR LESS. 
          THEY'RE JUST LIKE, NO, BUT IT'S JUST ALL THREE ON ONE DAY. 
          IS IT JUST SO IT'S A BUSY MOVING DAY FOR SURE. 
          IT'S JUST TRUCKS THAT ARE KIND OF, THEY DON'T HAVE NOWHERE TO PARK ON ALTON, LIKE, AS FAR AS A FREIGHT ZONE BECAUSE MOST OF THE LOAD THAT THEY'RE BRINGING IS MARBLE, IS DRYWALL. 
          IT'S, IT'S VERY HEAVY MATERIAL. 
          SO FOR NO, I GET THAT. 
          I, I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS TO BE ABLE TO PARK FEW BLOCKS AWAY AND I GUESS MANEUVER EVERYTHING TO OUR LOADING DOCK. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE MISSION BEGINS. 
          SO. 
          RIGHT. 
          LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 
          YOU'RE THE MANAGER HAVE, HAVE A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE MOVED IN. 
          NOW IS THAT, IS THE, IS THE BULK OF THE, I SAY THE FIRST PAYMENT, BUT THEY ALSO ARE REMODELING UNITS, WHICH IS COSTING A LOT OF TRAFFIC. 
          WE CONTRACTORS AND RIGHT. 
          MANY TIMES THEY SHOW UP UNANNOUNCED. 
          SO NOW WE IMPLEMENTED A RULE WHERE ANY TRUCK CONTRACTOR, DOESN'T MATTER WHO IT IS, IF YOU SHOW UP UNANNOUNCED, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW YOU ACCESS TO THE BUILDING. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA PRETTY MUCH FORCE THEM TO MOVE FROM THE AREA. 
          SO NON-RESTRICTED PARKING AND, UM, RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, HAVE TAKEN IT AS WELL AS POSSIBLE, BUT SOMETIMES, OF COURSE, THEY PUT A LOT OF PRESSURE ON MANAGEMENT TO ALLOW THEIR, YOU KNOW, ON SCHEDULE. 
          WHAT WAS YOUR NAME AGAIN? I'M SORRY? WHAT'S YOUR NAME AGAIN? CHRISTINA. 
          CHRISTINA. 
          UM, I ALSO NOTICED THAT THERE'S BEEN NOTHING SINCE DECEMBER. 
          SO I'M ASSUMING THIS PLAN WENT INTO PLACE A FEW MONTHS AGO OR A COUPLE MONTHS AGO? A MONTHS AGO, YES. 
          SINCE WE STARTED RECEIVING THE VIOLATIONS, 
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WE IMPLEMENTED THE PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          UM, CAN I GET, CAN YOU POST SIGNS ON THE STREET? WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THIS, THERE'S, I I DON'T, THERE ARE TWO SIGNS THAT SAY THAT SAY NO PARKING. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE VERY VISIBLE. 
          SO ONE OF OUR REQUESTS TO THE CITY, IF YOU SEE ON PAGE FOUR, NO, I'M SORRY. 
          SORRY. 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          SEE BOLLARD SIGNS, BUT I DON'T SEE, YES, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW. 
          NO, THERE'S ACTUALLY, THERE ARE TWO, THERE ARE TWO SIGNS SIDE, UH, BEFORE AND AFTER THE ENTRANCE. 
          THERE'S NO PARKING SIGNS. 
          THEY'RE SMALL. 
          UM, UH, AND THEN SHE, ONE OF WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING HERE IS THESE BOLLARDS, YOU CAN SEE ON PAGE THREE OF THESE BOLLARDS ARE, ARE THE, THE FLEXIBLE BALLARDS IS TO PUT THAT ON THE HASH AREA SO NOBODY CAN PARK THERE. 
          BUT, BUT CAN YOU, I MEAN, ONE SUGGESTION IS HAVING A, YOU KNOW, IF I PARK SIGN THAT STICK INTO THE GRASS THAT SAYS IF YOU PARK HERE, YOU WILL BE TICKETED AND TOWED BY THE CITY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          I JUST LIKE, AND THEN I IMAGINE, UNLESS PEOPLE PARK, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO, I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU GUYS OFF, BUT WE ALSO, SINCE THESE KIND OF BOTTLES ARE CALLED DELINEATORS, WE WANTED TO SEE IF, IF IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO YOU GUYS. 
          IF WE HAD SOME THAT KIND OF ARE NOT SO SUCH AS EYESORE. 
          YEAH, EYESORE. 
          LIKE A BRIGHT ORANGE REFLECTIVE, BUT MAYBE LIKE PERHAPS A WHITE, LIKE THE ONES WE HAVE. 
          AND THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF PUT THOSE, THERES, AND THEY'RE EASILY, YOU CAN RUN OVER THEM. 
          SO IF THE CITY HAS AN EMERGENCY LIKE A FIRE RESCUE OR POLICE OFFICERS, THEY CAN MOVE MORE THAN HAPPY, GO OVER THEM. 
          AND IT'S NOT REALLY ENOUGH. 
          I THINK, I THINK THAT SOUNDS GREAT WITH US, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY WITHIN OUR PURVIEW. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH THE CITY, THE PARKING AUTHORITY AND THE CITY. 
          BUT WE'RE, THAT WOULD BE SOUNDS GREAT TO ME, BUT WORK WITH, WORK WITH THEM, BUT, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU MAKING ALL THESE EFFORTS AND YOU TAKING IT SERIOUSLY. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO SEE BECAUSE WE HAVE CONES THAT WE'VE USED TO PUT IN THOSE AREAS. 
          THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY HELPED US, ESPECIALLY IN TIMES WHERE IT WAS BUSY DURING LIKE THE HOLIDAYS. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHEN EVERYONE IS HERE. 
          UM, SO, BUT IN THOSE TIMES WHEN IT WAS CLOSING, THEN IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE BATTLE BEGINS AGAIN. 
          WE ALWAYS HAVE TO GEAR UP AND MAKE SURE OUR CONES ARE OUTSIDE AND MAKE SURE THEY DON'T GET STOLEN. 
          SOME, SOME THINGS JUST, I DON'T KNOW, THEY WENT MISSING SOMETIMES TOO. 
          I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE MATTER, HAVE RAN OVER THEM AND JUST TAKING THEM WITH THEM ACROSS THE BRIDGE. 
          BUT AT LEAST WITH THE DELINEATORS, THEY'RE BOLTED ON AND THEY'RE NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN JUST REMOVE, REMOVE EASILY. 
          YEAH. 
          HOLD ON ONE SECOND. 
          ANYBODY HERE IN CHAMBERS TO SPEAK ON THIS? NOBODY. 
          ANYBODY ON ZOOM OR WE'RE CLOSE TO PUBLIC HEARING? UM, I JUST HAVE ONE THING. 
          I I DRIVE PAST THE BUILDING EVERY MORNING, SO I, UH, I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE YOUR CHALLENGES. 
          UM, QUITE OFTEN I'LL SEE THAT A LOT OF THE WORKERS THAT ARE GOING INTO THE BUILDING ARE QUEUING AND LINING UP ON ALTON. 
          SO I GUESS HAVE THESE PLANS BEEN PUT INTO PLACE TO TRY AND ALLEVIATE THAT AS WELL? DOES THAT INCORPORATE THAT ISSUE? ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO, 'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES I'LL SEE THE TRUCKS ARE TRYING TO NAVIGATE AROUND THE WORKERS THAT ARE KIND OF STATIONED ON ALTON. 
          SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO IN THE PAST, RIGHT, ESPECIALLY WHEN STARTED, WE STARTED OPENING UP OUR RECEIVING TWO CHECK-IN WORKERS ABOUT A HALF AN HOUR THERE EARLIER MM-HMM . 
          SO IF OUR RECEIVING OPENED AT NINE O'CLOCK AND WE HAD A QUEUE OF PEOPLE LINING UP ALREADY OUTSIDE, WE WOULD JUST OPEN UP THE GATE AND START CHECKING EVERYBODY IN. 
          SO OUR ELEVATOR OPERATOR WOULD ARRIVE AT 8 45. 
          SO FROM ABOUT EIGHT 20 TO 8 45, WE'RE JUST CHECKING IN CONTRACTORS AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE'S, AT LEAST IN OUR LOADING BAY AND NOT QUEUING OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, CREATING A LINE ON THE SIDEWALK. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK FOR THE MOST PART FOLKS, THE WORST IS DONE THE FIRST YEAR, MAYBE 2024 TO 2025 WAS ABSOLUTELY HECTIC. 
          YES. 
          IT WAS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE ANY OF THIS A REALITY. 
          BUT 2025 TO 2026 HAS DEFINITELY CHANGED. 
          AND IT'LL BE A LOT MORE EASIER AS TIME GOES BY. 
          YES. 
          THE FIRST YEAR WE HAVE ALSO THE DEVELOPERS STILL DOING CONSTRUCTION IN THE BUILDING. 
          WE WERE CHECKING IN CLOSE TO 250 TO 300, UM, CONTRACTORS A DAY. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE DOWN TO A HUNDRED. 
          SO IT'S WAY MORE MANAGEABLE. 
          SO WHY ARE YOU NOT LOADING ON SIXTH STREET TO TAKE AWAY FROM ALTON ROAD? AND WE GONNA SAY POSTING SIGNS THERE ALSO. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, NOTHING WE CAN EXPLORE OPTION. 
          WE JUST NEED. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, I MEAN, SIX STREET IS THE PRIMARY, SIX STREET IS THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE TOO, IS THE PRIMARY INCH TO THE BUILDING. 
          SO BLOCKING THAT OFF WOULD, WOULD JUST IMPEDE THE RESIDENCE FROM ENTERING THE BUILDING. 
          I, IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY. 
          SO THE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED FOR THIS INCLUDE TWO LOADING SPACES TO REGULATION SIZE LOADING SPACES ALONG SIXTH STREET FROM MY, WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED, THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO SIGNAGE ON THOSE LOADING SPACES THAT THOSE ARE EVEN ACTUALLY LOADING SPACES. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE DISCONNECT IS, BUT THERE WERE CONDITIONS IN YOUR CUP THAT WERE SPECIFIC TO COMMERCIAL LOADING ON SIXTH STREET, THAT IT SHOULD BE TAKING PLACE THERE. 
          SO 
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I THINK IT MIGHT ALSO BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE SIGNAGE THAT INDICATES THOSE TWO LOADING SPACES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND ALLOWING, YOU KNOW, THE OVERFLOW OR THE COMMERCIAL DELIVERIES, UM, TO, TO LOAD FROM SIX THE SIXTH STREET EASEMENT. 
          I MEAN, ALTON IS JUST, AND NORMALLY YOU GUYS HAVE A RECOMMEND, I'M ASSUMING THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO RESCHEDULE JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S OKAY. 
          NOTHING DONE. 
          YEAH, I THINK WE GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, TO IMPLEMENT. 
          IT'S A LARGE BUILDING. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTS SO THAT ALL OF THE RESIDENTS ARE ALSO AWARE, UM, OF THE RULES AND MAYBE BRING THEM BACK EITHER AT THE JUNE OR JULY MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          LISTEN, I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS. 
          IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG BUILDING. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVING IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. 
          A LOT OF MY FRIENDS ARE MOVING IN THERE IS THE INTERSECTION, APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS TO REMEDY IT. 
          BUT YEAH, BECAUSE, AND, AND I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THERE'S BEEN NO VIOLATION THE LAST FOUR MONTHS, BUT JUST TO BE SAFE, WE'LL RESCHEDULE FOR SIX MONTHS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN, IF THERE ARE NO VIOLATIONS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, I DON'T EVEN CARE IF YOU CANCEL THAT HEARING, IF THAT'S A POSSIBLE MECHANISM. 
          BUT IF THERE ARE, OBVIOUSLY WE'D WANT TO HAVE THEM COME BACK AND I, AND THAT THAT'S FINE. 
          WE CAN, UH, TENTATIVELY SCHEDULE ANOTHER PROGRESS REPORT FOR OCTOBER OF, OF THIS YEAR. 
          AND IF THERE ARE NO VIOLATIONS, UM, WE CAN, THERE'S NO VIOLATIONS, WE CAN CANCEL IT. 
          YES. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY? ANYBODY? ABSOLUTELY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          CHRISTINA, GUYS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOUR PATIENCE. 
          I NEED A MOTION TO MOVE IT TO OCTOBER. 
          MOVED SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED? OKAY. 
          OKAY, ITEM 
          [4. PB24-0731. LINCOLN ROAD WEST RESIDENTIAL USE INCENTIVES – LDR AMENDMENTS]
          [5. PB25-0737. LINCOLN ROAD WEST RESIDENTIAL USE INCENTIVES – COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.]
FOUR, PLANNING BOARD FILE 24 0 7 3 1. 
          AND, UH, PLANNING BOARD FILE 25 0 7 3 7 COMPANION AMENDMENTS, LINCOLN ROAD WEST RESIDENTIAL USE INCENTIVES AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, SO THESE ARE TWO COMPANION ITEMS. ONE IS FOR A AMENDMENT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND THE OTHER TO THE COMP PLAN. 
          THIS IS SPECIFIC FOR RESIDENTIAL USE INCENTIVES. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE FOR, TO ENCOURAGE NON-TRANSIENT, UH, RESIDENTIAL USE ALONG THIS, UH, COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. 
          UM, IF WE COULD IN COMMUNICATIONS, IF YOU COULD PULL UP THE PRESENTATION FROM MARCH 10TH, UM, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          SO I CAN SUMMARIZE, UM, WHAT THE ACTUAL INCENTIVES ARE, UM, PER AREA BECAUSE THERE ARE FOUR DIFFERENT AREAS WHICH CAN GET CONFUSING. 
          UM, THE, IN ORDER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE RES NON-TRANSIENT RESIDENTIAL USE INCENTIVES, UM, THIS ORDINANCE WOULD REQUIRE A RESTRICTED COVENANT THAT WOULD LIMIT, UM, OR PROHIBIT ANY SHORT TERM RENTAL, UM, OF ANY OF THE NEW RESIDENTIAL UNITS. 
          UM, YOU WOULD ALSO BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A MINIMUM MICRO MOBILITY AREA WITHIN THE PROPERTY THAT IS TO ENCOURAGE NON-CAR, NON TRUCK TRAVEL AMONGST THE RESIDENTS. 
          THE, THE PART OF THE INTENT HERE IS BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC IS A REAL CHALLENGE IN THIS CITY IS TO HOW DO WE ADD MORE RESIDENTIAL UNITS WHILE NOT ADD MORE TO THE, UH, PARKING CONGESTION WITHIN THE CITY. 
          SO, UM, WE WOULD REQUIRE AS PART OF THIS, A SUBSTANTIAL, UH, MICRO MOBILITY COMPONENT, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, UM, PRIVATE AREA MICRO MOBILITY FOR ACTUAL RESIDENTS OF THE BUILDING, BUT ALSO A PUBLIC MICRO MOBILITY STATION, UH, LOCATED AT THE, AT THE GROUND LEVEL, UM, TO, TO INCREASE THE NETWORK THAT WE ALREADY HAVE WITHIN THE CITY, WHICH IS QUITE SUCCESSFUL. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, UM, I THINK THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO UNDERSTAND THIS. 
          UM, WE HAVE AREA ONE, WHICH ONE A AND ONE B ONE A IS, UH, FRONTING 17TH STREET TO LINCOLN LANE NORTH. 
          UM, THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS THE HIGHEST ZONED AREA OF ALL OF THESE, UM, LOCATIONS. 
          UM, AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING AN INCREASE IN HEIGHT IN THIS PARTICULAR, UM, AREA TO 150 FEET. 
          WE'RE INCREASING, UH, THE FAR IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, UM, TO A 3.5. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE THE MOST INTENSE AREA. 
          UM, AREA ONE ONE B ALONG ALTON ROAD TO, UH, WEST AVENUE IS SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR IN TERMS OF THE INCENTIVES, UM, THAT ARE PROVIDED. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS ALTON ROAD IS A MAJOR, UH, COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. 
          WHEN WE GO TO AREAS TWO AND THREE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, A SHIFT IN CHARACTER BECAUSE THIS IS PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
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THIS IS OUR, OUR HISTORIC LINCOLN ROAD CORRIDOR. 
          AND THE CHARACTER, YOU KNOW, CHANGES QUITE DRAMATICALLY. 
          SO AREA TWO, WHICH ABUTS, UH, LINCOLN LANE NORTH, UM, THIS IS ALL, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL AREA, UH, AREA ONE, TWO. 
          UM, BUT YET THERE'S SOME SENSITIVITY TO AREA TWO BECAUSE WE ARE DEALING WITH, UM, PREDOMINANTLY CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS. 
          UM, SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING A SLIGHT TRANSITION IN TERMS OF THE REDUCTION OF THE INCENTIVES FROM A 2.5 FAR, WHICH IS, UM, EXISTING TO A 3.0. 
          SO INSTEAD OF A 3.5, WE'RE STEPPING DOWN TO A 3.0 AND THEN A MAXIMUM HEIGHT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF 100 FEET. 
          THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE, UH, SETBACKS, UH, REQUIRED SETBACKS OF ANY PORTION OF THE BUILDING OVER 50 FEET FROM BOTH LINCOLN ROAD AND THE SIDE STREETS. 
          WHEN WE MOVE FURTHER SOUTH TO AREA THREE, THIS IS WHERE IT GETS EVEN MORE SENSITIVE, UM, PRIMARILY BECAUSE IT'S, UH, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO LINCOLN LANE. 
          SOUTH LINCOLN LANE SOUTH IS ADJACENT TO A VERY LOW SCALE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS ALSO PART OF THE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UM, THE, THIS FLAMINGO PARK RESIDENTIAL AREA HAS A MAXIMUM FAR OF 1.25 AND A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 35 FEET. 
          SO ONE OF THE LEAST INTENSE, UH, DISTRICTS IN THE ENTIRE CITY. 
          SO ON ON AREA THREE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING A MAXIMUM INCENTIVE FAR OF A 2.75 AND A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 75 FEET, AGAIN, INCLUDING SETBACKS, UM, FROM BOTH LINCOLN ROAD, THE SIDE STREETS AND LINCOLN LANE SOUTH, UM, TO, TO FURTHER PROTECT, UM, THE LOWER SCALE DISTRICT. 
          UM, SO THAT'S A BASIC SUMMARY. 
          UM, AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT, UM, WE WOULD HAVE EITHER RESTRICTION, LIKE EXTREMELY REDUCED PARKING REQUIREMENTS OR A, A PROHIBITION ON PROVIDING PARKING. 
          UM, DEPENDING IF, IF YOU ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF BOTH THE FAR AND THE, THE HEIGHT, THERE WOULD BE A PROHIBITION ON PROVIDING PARKING FOR THESE UNITS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ALLOWING LOADING SPACES. 
          YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD THAT CONVERSATION AND EMPLOYEE TYPE, UM, SPACES THAT WERE EQUIVALENT TO WHAT THE REQUIRED LOADING SPACES WOULD BE. 
          SO THERE WOULD STILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE, UM, CERTAIN, UH, OPERATIONAL TYPE PARKING, UM, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. 
          UM, SO IN SUMMARY, THAT IS THE ORDINANCE. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER THINGS, AND YOU MAY WANT TO ASK A QUESTION OR TWO ABOUT THAT WITH THE MICRO MOBILITY, UH, MINIMUM AND THE, UH, PARKING RESTRICTIONS. 
          HAS ANYTHING CHANGED SINCE OUR LAST MEETING? HAVE WE MADE ANY MODIFICATIONS? YES. 
          SO, AND I THINK, UM, WITH THE MICRO MOBILITY COMPONENT, UM, WHAT WE HAVE CLARIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE IS THAT WHILE THERE'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE GROUND FLOOR IN TERMS OF THE AREA THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE MICRO MOBILITY COMPONENT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LOCATED AT THE GROUND FLOOR. 
          SO WE'VE CLARIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WHILE THERE'D BE A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE, THAT THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE CAN BE DISTRIBUTED WITHIN OTHER COMMON AREAS OF THE PROPERTY. 
          SO WE DON'T WANT THOSE MICRO MOBILITY STATIONS WITHIN PRIVATE UNITS, BUT THEY COULD BE IN OTHER COMMON AREAS IN THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE, OF THE BUILDING. 
          SO IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, PER FLOOR, YOU COULD HAVE THESE, THESE SPACES. 
          WE'RE ALSO OPEN TO THE IDEA, AND I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE, WITH COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, THE ITEM SPONSOR, WE'RE ALSO OPEN TO THE IDEA, UM, OF CAPPING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          SO RIGHT NOW I THINK WE HAVE, UM, UP TO 40% OF THE GROUND FLOOR WOULD BE REQUIRED NOW IN A VERY LARGE PROJECT, WHICH SOME OF THESE MAY BE, I MEAN, YOU COULD BE TALKING ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S TOO MUCH, WHICH, WHICH IS LIKELY TOO MUCH. 
          AND ANOTHER NOTE ON THAT IS BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO EXEMPTING THESE MICRO MOBILITY FACILITIES FROM FAR, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S MORE REASONABLE AND, UM, MEASURED TO HAVE A CAP ON THAT. 
          AND LOOKING AT, AT THIS, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, PROBABLY MOST EQUITABLE TO ASSIGN A SQUARE FOOTAGE PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE 100 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD BE A SLIDING SCALE, I WOULD RECOMMEND A UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 10 SQUARE FEET PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT BECAUSE THAT'S ENOUGH TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TWO, UM, E-BIKES, MAYBE A SCOOTER AND TWO E-BIKES. 
          IN TERMS OF THE STORAGE AREA, UM, AGAIN, THESE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL UNITS FOR THE REDUCTION OF FAR, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE IN COMMON AREAS. 
          UM, BUT I THINK CAPPING IT ALSO MAKES SENSE, PARTICULARLY FOR, FOR A LARGE PROJECT. 
          UM, IN 
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TERMS OF THE PARKING, THE PARKING HAS NOT BEEN AMENDED. 
          UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY, UH, THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY ALLOWS FOR UP TO 20% OF THE REQUIRED PARKING TO BE PROVIDED FOR THE ADDITIONAL FAR. 
          HOWEVER, IF YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, IT WOULD PROHIBIT ANY PARKING. 
          UM, THAT IS SOMETHING WE DID HAVE OUR COMMUNITY MEETING. 
          ANY PARKING WHATSOEVER, ANY PARKING, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A LOADING. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT NON RESIDENTIAL PARKING IS THIS FOR ONE B? THIS IS ALL OF THE AREAS CURRENTLY. 
          THAT'S INSANE. 
          SO, SO ARE YOU SO HOLD ON, HOLD ON. 
          ONE AT A TIME. 
          OKAY, SO THEY CAME AND, AND, AND THE DEVELOPER FOR ONE B SAID HE NEEDED A HUNDRED PERCENT, NOW YOU'RE SAYING AT ONE 50 HE HAS 0%. 
          WHO COULD BUILD THAT? WHO WOULD BUILD THAT? RIGHT. 
          AND I, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS, THESE COMMENTS ALSO CAME UP DURING THE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT WE HAD. 
          I THINK, AND I, I HAVE THIS SPONSOR HAS REACHED OUT TO ME TO, TO DISCUSS MAYBE FURTHER DEVELOPING SOME OF THIS. 
          THE GOAL OF THIS, AND I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS THE CHALLENGE, THE GOAL OF THIS IS TO RE HAVE A, HAVE A HOUSING STOCK THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE HAVE NOW. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ULTRA LUXURY AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE OF THAT. 
          THAT IS CURRENTLY THE TREND. 
          AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LESS THAN THAN IDEAL HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOT BEING PROPERLY MAINTAINED WITHOUT PARKING. 
          SO THE IDEA IS TO INCREASE THE HOUSING STOCK FOR, FOR UNITS THAT MAINTAIN SOME LEVEL OF AFFORDABILITY. 
          UM, ONE WAY TO DO THAT IS TO NOT PROVIDE PARKING BECAUSE THE MORE, THE MORE AMENITIES INCLUDING PARKING YOU, YOU INCLUDE FOR A UNIT, THE MORE THE RENT IS GONNA BE. 
          UM, SO THE, I THE THE INTENT, WHICH MAYBE WE NEED FURTHER DEVELOPMENT ON, WAS TO PRODUCE A PRODUCT THAT WOULD BE NATURALLY REASONABLY AFFORDABLE RENT. 
          AND ONE WAY TO DO THAT IS TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          IT'S TO LIMIT THE PARKING THAT WILL NATURALLY KEEP THE RENTS FROM SKYROCKETING. 
          LIKE WE COULD SEE MICRO MOBILITY, AND I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO A BIG DISCUSSION BECAUSE THIS ISN'T A, A COMMUNITY SETTING, BUT A REASONABLE TRANSFER OF TRYING TO LOWER THE TRAFFIC MIGHT BE TO STILL EXPECT PEOPLE TO USE THEIR CAR. 
          THEY HAVE TO GET TO BRICKLE. 
          YOU WANT EVERYONE TO UBER, BUT IF I WANT TO GO A MILE DOWN THE ROAD, I MIGHT USE AN E-BIKE. 
          SO I'M LESSENING THE USE OF MY CAR, BUT I STILL NEED A CAR. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE SOMEBODY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HUNDRED PLUS UNITS WHERE EVERYBODY IS A BIKE RIDER. 
          UH, WHAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WORKS IN, IN OREGON, LET ALONE MIAMI BEACH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I DON'T, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT TO ADD ON TO KEITH? IT'S NOT LIKE THE CITY IS MAKING SOME GREAT CHANGES AND INCREASING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AT THE SAME TIME. 
          THERE'S NOT THIS, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE DOWN EFFORT INTO, TO ENCOURAGING THIS. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE FORCING SOMETHING THAT IT'S GONNA END UP FAILING. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING INTO IT. 
          WAIT, HOLD ON. 
          WE'RE GETTING INTO THE MERITS. 
          ARE YOU FINISHED WITH THE PRESENTATION? UM, YES, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UM, WELL, I, I WANT TO, IS THERE ANYONE SPEAKING ON THIS IN YEAH, LET'S, LET'S DO THE HEARING AND THEN WE CAN ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS WE WANT. 
          AND I JUST, I DO JUST WANNA CLARIFY ONE THING ABOUT THE PARKING. 
          SO AREA ONE B UM, IS, WOULD ALLOW UP TO 20% OF THE ALLOWABLE PARKING, IT SAYS AT 150 FEET, IF THAT MAXIMUM. 
          THE OTHER, ALL THREE OTHER AREAS WOULD PROHIBIT PARKING FOR IF YOU WANTED TO ACHIEVE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE 20% IS ACROSS THE BOARD, ACROSS ALL FOUR OF THESE AREAS. 
          AS LONG AS YOU STAY WITHIN THE CURRENT ALLOWABLE HEIGHT, YOU COULD STILL INCREASE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE FAR, BUT IT'S STILL SHOWING THAT THE MICRO MOBILITY STATION IS, IS CONSTITUTE NO LESS THAN OR IF NOT LESS THAN 40% OF THE GROUND FLOOR. 
          CORRECT. 
          NOW THE OR RIGHT, THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN AMENDED. 
          THE, THE CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAVE TO CLARIFY THAT THAT COULD BE DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. 
          HOWEVER, WE HAVE NOT INCLUDED A CAP. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE SPONSOR AND STAFF WOULD SUPPORT THE INTRODUCTION OF A SQUARE FOOTAGE CAP ON THE MICRO MOBILITY COMPONENT. 
          SO IT DOESN'T BECOME EXCESSIVE, I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR. 
          I MEAN CORRECT. 
          AND WE'VE CLARIFIED THAT ALREADY. 
          MOST VALUABLE. 
          WE'VE CLARIFIED THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR. 
          THAT WOULDN'T PROHIBIT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE DECO BIKES OR THE PUBLIC MICRO MOBILITY STATIONS FROM BEING PLACEMENT. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S HEAR FROM HIM AND THEN WE'LL GO FORWARD. 
          ALRIGHT, DAVID BERG, THANK YOU FOR, UH, HAVING ME ON BEHALF OF ALTON VENTURES. 
          WE, UH, ARE ONE OF THE PROPERTIES IN AREA ONE B. 
          SO, UH, AS MENTIONED 
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IN THE LAST HEARING, WE HAVE THREE, UH, FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS TO THIS THAT I THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR AT LEAST OUR PROJECT. 
          WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY BEING BUILT UNDER THIS LEGISLATION AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT. 
          AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL HEAR LATER IN THE DAY, WE'RE GONNA PRESENT AN, AN ACTUAL PROJECT THAT FILL THAT HITS A LOT OF THESE, UH, HITS A LOT OF THE, OF THE POINTS IN THIS LEGISLATION. 
          SO AS OPPOSED TO BEING, UM, IN, IN THEORY, LEGISLATIVE BILL WILL ACTUALLY SHOW YOU WITH AN ACTUAL PROJECT HOW THIS APPLIES. 
          WE DID SEND AROUND A PRESENTATION AHEAD OF THE MEETING, UM, IF, IF COULD BE PULLED UP BY CHANCE. 
          IT'S THE, IT'S TITLED LINCOLN ROSE WEST LEGISLATION. 
          UH, IT JUST BE EASIER IF EVERYONE CAN VIEW THE THREE MAJOR POINTS THAT WE HAVE. 
          ONE MOMENT, PLEASE. 
          AND DAVID, JUST TO BE CLEAR, JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC, TH THIS ITEM IS THE BROADER AREA FOR THE CORRECT ENTIRE LINCOLN LINCOLN RECORD, CORRECT? UH, THERE WILL BE A SEPARATE PAIR OF ITEMS LATER ON THE PRIVATE APPLICATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UM, YOU CAN SLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO, SO OUR THREE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE THE FOLLOWING AND WE'LL SUMMARIZE THEM ON THE FIRST SLIDE AND THEN, UH, WE'LL GO INTO DETAIL ON, ON EACH ONE. 
          UM, THE FIRST ONE IS, WE THINK THAT THERE, THAT THE, IT IS A RESIDENTIAL INCENTIVE AND WE BELIEVE THAT 60% OF THIS, OF THE GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING SHOULD BE RESIDENTIAL. 
          WITH THAT SAID, CURRENTLY THE LEGISLATION DOESN'T ALLOW FOR ANY COMMERCIAL USE ABOVE THE GROUND FLOOR. 
          AND THIS LEGISLATION IS PROPOSED TO BE ON LINCOLN ROAD AND ALTON ROAD, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, TWO OF THE HEAVILY MOST COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS IN PROBABLY SOUTH FLORIDA. 
          UM, AND SO AS A RESULT, THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS COMMERCIAL USE ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND, YOU KNOW, SECOND AND THIRD FLOORS RIGHT NOW. 
          SO I THINK THAT GOING FOR A, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'D SEE MORE OF LIKE A GARDEN STYLE OR SUBURBAN TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL BUILDING HERE IN THIS COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR IS APPROPRIATE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND IT SHOULD BE MORE OF A MIXED USE CONCEPT. 
          THIS MIXED USE CONCEPT WOULD ALSO DE DELIVER A LIVE WORK AND PLAY ECOSYSTEM WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE HERE, WORK HERE, UM, SHOP HERE, AND AS OPPOSED TO GETTING IN THEIR CAR AND DRIVING TO THEIR, THEIR WHERE THEY COMMUTE FOR WORK, THEY CAN HOPEFULLY HAVE A PLACE, AN OFFICE SPACE IN THIS LOCATION AND WE CAN, UH, WE CAN DELIVER OFFICE SPACE AND RETAIL TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT AGAIN, THERE'S MORE FOOT TRAFFIC THAN VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. 
          BY DOING JUST RESIDENTIAL, YOU'RE INVITING PEOPLE TO LEAVE EVERY MORNING AND COME BACK AT RUSH HOUR. 
          UM, THE SECOND REASON I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT IS THAT BECAUSE THESE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA WANNA LIVE ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYONE IN THIS ROOM WANTING TO LIVE ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF ALTON ROAD OR THE THIRD FLOOR OF ALTON ROAD OR LINCOLN ROAD FOR THAT MATTER. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS ATTRACTIVE FROM A RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT AS IF THOSE, UH, AREAS COULD, COULD BE COMMERCIAL. 
          UM, SO WE THINK THAT THE 60%, YOU KNOW, REALLY IT MAKES IT A MAJORITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS THE IN WHICH IS THE INTENTION, BUT IT KEEPS MORE IN LINE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, THE, OH, ANOTHER VERY IMPORTANT POINT ON THAT IS THAT THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HIGHEST RENT AREAS OF THE CITY IN TERMS OF LINCOLN ROAD AND, AND ALTON FOR COMMERCIAL. 
          AND SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DELIVER ATTAINABLE RENTS ON THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, THE COMMERCIAL RENTS WILL OFFSET THAT GREATLY BY HAVING THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE. 
          SO JUST FOR PERSPECTIVE, UM, IF RESIDENTIAL RENT IS $4 PER SQUARE FOOT ON A GROSS LEVEL, YOU'RE GONNA ULTIMATELY NET CALL IT 30 BUCKS A FOOT ON THAT. 
          WHEREAS THE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL RENTS COULD BE A HUNDRED DOLLARS A FOOT TRIPLE NET. 
          SO IT'S BA BASICALLY A, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY 80 TO $90 SPREAD ON THE RENT LEVELS, WHICH HELP YOU DELIVER CHEAPER APARTMENT UNITS VERSUS IF YOU'RE STRICTLY APARTMENT UNITS, THEN UM, YOU WON'T HAVE THAT OFFSETTING INCOME BY THE COMMERCIAL SPACE. 
          ON THE MICRO MOBILITY, I THINK, UH, AS DEBBIE MENTIONED, IF THERE'S A CAP AT, AT MAYBE 10 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT, OR MAYBE IT'S 3000 SQUARE FEET OR 4,000 SQUARE FEET OR 2000 SQUARE FEET FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING, I THINK THAT CAPTURES IT. 
          IN OUR PROJECT IT WOULD'VE BEEN 14,000 SQUARE FEET AT THE 40% LEVEL, WHICH FOR PERSPECTIVE IS ABOUT 50 PARKING SPACES. 
          IT'S ABOUT AN ENTIRE FLOOR PARKING GARAGE FOR MICRO MOBILITY. 
          UM, SO I THINK AS LONG AS WE'RE CAPPING IT AT, YOU KNOW, A FEW THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OR 10 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FINE. 
          UM, AND HAVING IT BE BOTH, 
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YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT, SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING AND THE PARKING GARAGE AND THE GROUND FLOORS, I THINK A VERY IMPORTANT CAN'T, IT CAN'T BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR BECAUSE AGAIN, THE GROUND FLOOR NEEDS TO CREATE A NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU NEED COMMERCIAL SPACE TO DO SO. 
          UM, THE LAST THING IS, IS THE PARKING. 
          AND SO WE CAN, WE CAN SKIP TO THAT SLIDE. 
          SO LET'S, DAVID, A QUICK QUESTION, WAS THIS SHARED WITH THE CITY BEFORE TODAY OR YES. 
          YES. 
          HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT MR. SUAREZ? UH, WE'VE HAD DETAILED CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMISSIONER AND AS OF LAST WEEK, MY IMPRESSION IS THAT HE'S SUPPORTIVE OF CABIN MICRO MOBILITY, SUPPORTIVE OF THE GROSS, THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          UM, AND OUR, OUR PROPOSAL IS TO WANT A ONE-TO-ONE PARKING RATIO, SO ONE SPOT FOR EVERY UNIT. 
          HIS POSITION, IN MY OPINION, FROM WHAT HE TOLD ME IS THAT HE DOESN'T WANT STUDIOS TO HAVE ANY PARKING. 
          HE WOULD LIKE A, A PARKING RATIO FOR ONE BEDROOMS, WHICH I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S, HE LANDED ON HALF A SPACE OR ONE SPACE, AND HE IS OKAY TO HAVE TWO SPACES FOR ANYTHING TO GREATER THAN TWO BEDROOMS. I THINK WHAT HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT, WHICH I AGREE WITH, IS THAT IF YOU BUILD AN ENTIRE BUILDING FULL OF STUDIOS, YOU COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED STUDIOS AND A HUNDRED PARKING SPACES, WHICH DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 
          I THINK THAT IF YOU BUILD TWO BEDROOMS, ONE BEDROOMS AND STUDIOS, AND YOU HAVE ONE SPACE PER UNIT, YOU KNOW, BY, BY MATH YOU'LL HAVE STUDIOS WITH NO PARKING SPACES, TWO BEDROOMS WITH TWO, ONE WITH MAYBE HALF OR ONE AND A HALF DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, THE UNIT SIZE AND YOU'LL END UP BLENDING TO THAT RATIO. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S CHALLENGING TO, TO, TO BUILD A ONE BEDROOM AND NOT HAVE A SINGLE PARKING SPACE. 
          FOR HOW MANY, BECAUSE A FAMILY OF TWO CARS MAY ONLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, MADE OF ZERO SPACES, I'M ASSUMING THERE'D BE SOME FLEXIBILITY OF IF THERE'S A TWO BEDROOM OR THREE BEDROOM UNIT THAT HAS AN EXTRA PARKING SPOT TO LEASE THE TWO STUDIO, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND SO, UM, I, I DO THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, LIMITATION ON A STUDIO ONLY OR A VERY EFFICIENT ONE BEDROOM ONLY BUILDING. 
          BUT IF YOU HAVE A HEALTHY UNIT MIX, I THINK YOU NEED A ONE TO ONE RATIO. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT A CONCEPT PLAN, BUT, UM, HOW BIG ARE YOUR UNITS GONNA BE? WE'RE ESTIMATING AROUND 850 SQUARE FEET ON AVERAGE. 
          SO WE'RE, WE WANNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, THREE BEDROOMS THAT ARE GONNA BE, UH, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ROUND NUMBERS, BUT 1200 SQUARE FEET, ONE TWO BEDROOMS THAT ARE MAYBE 1100 SQUARE FEET OR 1,001 BEDROOMS, THAT'LL BE 750 TO 800 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND THEN SOME STUDIOS AT LIKE 600 SQUARE FEET. 
          SO WE WANNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY 20% STUDIOS, 20%, THREE BEDROOMS, AND YOU KNOW, BALANCED ONES AND TWOS. 
          THAT'S A PRETTY VANILLA APARTMENT BUILDING. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          YOU CAN ACTUALLY, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SKIP TO, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SKIP TO, UH, YOU CAN SKIP IT. 
          THIS IS JUST THE, THE GROUND. 
          THIS IS AN EXAMPLE, YOU'LL SEE THIS LATER IN OUR PRESENTATION, BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF OUR PROJECT OF HITTING THE 60% CENT THRESHOLD AND ALLOWING A TRUE MIXED USE ECOSYSTEM BUILDING. 
          SO SECOND FLOOR WOULD BE, WOULD BE RETAIL. 
          WE HAVE A SIX, WE HAVE A 350 FOOT LONG SP PROJECT, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE. 
          SO WE WOULD WANT TO DO OFFICE, UM, ON A, ON A BOUTIQUE LEVEL ON THE NORTH SIDE OF OUR BUILDING AND THEN RE RESIDENTIAL THE BALANCE. 
          BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S EASILY OVER TWO THIRDS OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          WHAT'S THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE OFFICE? THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE OFFICE WILL BE 43,000 SQUARE FEET IN OUR PROJECT. 
          AND YOUR RETAIL RETAIL IS ABOUT 42,000? WE'RE NOT GONNA BE NARROW DEPTHS. 
          NO. 
          THE IDEA IS TO CREATE, I MEAN THIS GETS INTO OUR PROJECT A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS TO CREATE 3000, 4,000 SQUARE FOOT SPACES FOR OFFICE USERS SO THAT IT'S LIKE BOUTIQUE. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA APPEAL TO THE MIAMI BEACH RESIDENT. 
          AND WE WANT, WE WANT OFFICE SPACE FOR MIAMI BEACH RESIDENTS BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO, TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY HERE AND NOT COMMUTE ACROSS THE CAUSEWAY. 
          SURE. 
          SO IF WE HAVE A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LIKE PANCAKE FLOOR PLATE, KINDA LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SECOND FLOOR THERE, THAT'S RETAIL. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT IT, WHAT IT YIELDS IS BASICALLY LIKE 20 DOORS. 
          IT'S LIKE A MOUNT SINAI CORRIDOR AND IT'S MUCH LESS ATTRACTIVE FOR COMPANIES TO WANT TO, TO WORK HERE, SO THEY'RE GONNA GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          SO WE THINK BY HAVING, YOU KNOW, A MORE BOUTIQUE FOR PLATE WITH MAYBE THREE OR FOUR TENANTS, IT'S MUCH MORE INVITING FOR THE SMALL USER. 
          UM, WILL, WILL THE OFFICES BE LIMITED TO THE RESIDENTS ONLY? OR ANYONE? NO. 
          RESIDENTS. 
          I MEAN, IT WON'T BE, BUT IT, IT'LL BE TARGETING, TARGETING INCENTIVES TO, YEAH, HOPEFULLY PEOPLE IN OUR BUILDING WILL WORK THERE. 
          THAT'S OUR GOAL. 
          I MEAN, IF WE CAN CREATE THAT ECOSYSTEM, THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S, THAT'S HITTING EVERYTHING WE WANNA TRY TO DO. 
          COOL. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          THIS IS JUST AN WE, WE SPOKE WITH MICRO MOBILITY. 
          I DON'T WANNA TOUCH ON IT TOO MUCH, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT, THIS IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED AND BASICALLY 14,000 SQUARE FEET MICRO, MICRO MOBILITY IN OUR PROJECT, WHICH IS I THINK TOO MUCH. 
          I THINK THAT CURB CUT. 
          I THINK THAT FDOT HAS A 12 TO 17 FOOT LIMIT. 
          I'M NOT SURE, BUT 20 FEET IS PRETTY WIDE. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, WE'RE, I MEAN WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT WITH THEM. 
          THIS, THIS, THIS, THAT WAS REALLY JUST TO SHOW THE, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT OF MICRO MOBILITY ON BEING ON THE GROUND FLOOR. 
          UM, THE NEXT SLIDE'S THE IMPORTANT ONE I THINK RELATED TO THE PARKING. 
          SO WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE CURRENTLY FOR AT LEAST, 
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THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF OUR PROJECT, YOU HAVE 0.3 SPACES FOR EVERY UNIT. 
          UM, SO IT'S NOT EVEN ONE SPACE FOR EVERY THREE UNITS LOOKING FOR ONE SPACE PER UNIT AND THEN KEEPING THE, YOU KNOW, THE TIER ONE LEVELS FOR RETAIL AND OFFICE, WHICH IS BASICALLY ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 250 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND ONE SPACE FOR EVERY, UH, I CAN'T SEE THE, UH, 400 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE. 
          UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT I SPOKE TO, UH, THE PARKING DEPARTMENT OVER 2000 MIAMI BEACH PARKING TRANSACTIONS A MONTH HAVE BEEN LOST IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT FROM SPEAKING TO RESIDENTS OF WEST AVENUE, I THINK OVER 300 PARKING SPACES HAVE BEEN LOST IN WEST AVENUE OVER TWO THIRDS APPROXIMATELY OF THE LOT BEHIND THE EPICURE SITE. 
          THAT'S PUB THE PUBLIC PARKING IS BEING LOST APPROXIMATELY DUE TO THE, UH, THE, THE PUMP STATIONS. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT LESS PARKING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND, UH, WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPS PARKING FOR THE, FOR THE USES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, QUICK QUESTION, JUST SO I MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. 
          WHAT IS THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN THIS LDR AND, AND THE ONE YOU HAVE COMING UP IN THE PRIVATE APPLICATION? OUR PRIVATE APPLICATION IS FOR AN ALTERNATE OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH IS A SEPARATE, UH, YOU KNOW, REZONING FOR, FOR A BLOCK OF REAL ESTATE. 
          UM, IT INCLUDES LIKE MAYBE FIVE, SIX PARCELS. 
          THIS IS A MUCH MORE GRAND, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, URBAN PLANNING. 
          SO IT'S NOT AN AN, IT'S NOT AN EITHER OR, IT'S AN AND IT'S, THEY'RE BOTH AND YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE BOTH COMPLETELY SEPARATE LEGISLATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY IN CHAMBERS SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, SIR? YES, I'M, UH, MONROE, HOLD ON. 
          YOU HAD A INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR ADDRESS. 
          MANU, I'M A BOARD MEMBER OF WEST BAY PLAZA CONDOMINIUM 1688 WEST AVENUE. 
          HIS PRESENTATION WAS VERY PRESENTABLE. 
          REALITY. 
          IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WORK. 
          HAVE YOU SEEN THE TRAFFIC BETWEEN LINCOLN ROAD AND 17TH STREET WEST CORNER? THE BACK UP, THERE'S ALMOST MUCH TRAFFIC THAT THEY'RE BACKING AT 17TH STREET. 
          SO YOU CAN EVEN GO LEFT ON 17TH STREET BECAUSE THE CARS ARE BACKING 17TH STREET BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC BETWEEN LINCOLN ROAD AND 17TH STREET. 
          SO THIS CREATION IS GONNA BRING MORE TRAFFIC TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO VERY PRETTY, BUT IT'S NOT REALISTIC. 
          BE THERE, GO THERE FIVE O'CLOCK, YOU'RE GONNA SEE WHAT WE GOING THROUGH EVERY OFFICIALLY. 
          NOW WITH, WITH, UH, ROAD BASE IS CLOSED, GO THERE AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE TRAFFIC, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT EVERY DAY, ANYTIME BETWEEN LINCOLN ROAD AND 17TH STREET TO PACK UP. 
          THE TRAFFIC IS BLOCKING 17TH STREET. 
          WE'RE GONNA BRING WHAT, 40? HOW MANY MORE PARKING SPACE? A HUNDRED MORE PARKING SPACE. 
          WE WOULD BRING SPACES FOR, FOR RESIDENTS AND THE USE. 
          ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY MORE, HOW MANY MORE? THAT DEPENDS ON THE, SORRY. 
          THESE ARE YOUR TWO MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE BOARD. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN RAISE THEM TO THE BOARD AND, OKAY. 
          SO HOW MANY PARKINGS ARE WE ARE CREATING? MORE PARKING. 
          THIS BUILDING IS GONNA CREATE PARKING SP SPACE 120%. 
          HOW MUCH IS THAT IN MY ANSWER IS THE ENTRANCE IS GONNA BE THROUGH, UH,  ROAD TO THE PARKING SPACE. 
          THE ORIGINAL, ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THE ENTRANCE IS GONNA BE? THE, THE ORIGINAL ONE THAT WAS ON THE ACCESS WAS THROUGH WEST AVENUE. 
          ARE WE STILL DOING THE ACCESS THROUGH WEST AVENUE? SO WE HAVEN'T REVIEWED A PROJECT OR A SITE PLAN. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE RIGHT. 
          WHAT WE'RE WAS BEFORE US TODAY. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER DAY. 
          AS FAR AS THE SPECIFICS AND, UH, SPACE ARE WE GONNA BE LOSING ON THE, UH, WEST AVENUE? IT'S GONNA BE 10 SPACES. 
          AS SOON AS THE PROJECT IS OVER, THEY'RE GONNA BRING BACK THE PUBLIC PARKING SPACE AND THEY'RE ONLY LOSING LIKE 10 PARKING SPACE FROM PREVIOUS ONE. 
          SO WE'RE NOT LOSING THAT MANY IN THAT AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. 
          TIM CARS W WEST NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT. 
          UH, JUST TO CLARIFY THE, THE COMMENTS THAT YOU JUST RECENTLY HEARD, WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH THE DEVELOPER FOR THIS SITE. 
          AND JUST TO CLARIFY, IN REVIEWING THE RICKMAN CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH, UH, WEST APP PHASE TWO, WE'RE GONNA LOSE OVER 140 ON STREET PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE PERMANENTLY GONE TO THE NEW REGULATIONS AND SETBACKS FOR ENTRY TO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES WITH WHATSAPP PHASE THREE, ANOTHER 77 MORE DAVID HAS ACTUALLY OFFERED TO, TO OUR RESIDENTS TO HELP MEET THAT CRITICAL NEED FOR PARKING AND EVENING AND OVERNIGHT FOR OUR RESIDENTS. 
          SO WE'RE IN DESPERATE NEED NOW THAT WE'RE PARKING THAT'S GONNA BE ELIMINATED THAT WE'LL NEVER HAVE ANYMORE. 
          AND AS YOU HAD REFERENCED EARLIER, THE UH, PARKING LOT FOR THE POST OFFICE DUE TO THE PUMP STATION AGAIN, WE LOST ANOTHER MORE THAN A THIRD OF PARKING THERE. 
          SO AGAIN, 
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I APPRECIATE THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, BUT AGAIN, WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE SMART DEVELOPMENT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS. 
          ONE OFF OF WEST A AND ONE OFF OF ALTON ROAD. 
          SO I'D ASK YOU TO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN YOUR CONSIDERATION BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS AND SO FAR HE'S THE ONLY PERSON WHO'S COME UP TO DATE TO HELP US BUILD THAT NEED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, SO YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE? SUPPORTIVE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND TIM, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION IN RESPONSE TO HIS, UH, AND I DON'T LIVE IN THAT AREA, BUT ISN'T THE BIG ISSUE RIGHT NOW TRANSIENT THAT THE PROBLEM IN THAT WHOLE ZONE AROUND 17TH, IT'S THE PUMP STATION WORK AND ALL THE EXTENSION SOUTH ON LINCOLN, THEY'RE TEARING UP EVERYTHING AND JUST TRYING TO NAVIGATE THAT AREA IS A NIGHTMARE. 
          THAT'S NOT A LONG TERM PROBLEM. 
          IT WASN'T A PROBLEM WHEN EPICURE WAS THERE. 
          IT'S A PROBLEM NOW, RIGHT? AND WE SHOULDN'T BE SHORTSIGHTED BASED ON CURRENT EVENTS. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND THEN WHEN THEY PUT IT BACK THOUGH AGAIN, WE WERE GONNA LOSE OVER 140 SPOTS IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA. 
          PERMANENTLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO ALSO, WOULD THESE SPOTS I GUESS, BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER RESIDENTS ALONG WEST AVENUE OR IS IT JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS IN RETAIL SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT, , NO. 
          SO AGAIN, HE'S BEEN DEVELOPING FOR RESIDENTS, BUT AGAIN, A LOT OF THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE WON'T BE THERE IN THE EVENING 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO THAT'LL BE OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO USE, WHICH THEY DESPERATELY NEED FOR PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME HOME FROM WORK TO HAVE AN OPTION. 
          SO THE IDEA IS TO HAVE THE PARKING AVAILABLE TO THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, WELL FIRST OF ALL, TIM, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR RACE. 
          LAST WEEK I SAW, I SAW YOU, YOU, WELL, , I HAD A LITTLE HELP WITH ANOTHER COMMISSIONER, FORMER COMMISSIONER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I SAW THAT , UM, HE RACED WITH GRECO LAST WEEK. 
          THEY, UM, BUT ON KEITH'S POINT, I LIVE IN THE VENETIAN AND IT'S, THERE'S A NIGHTMARE RIGHT NOW, THE TRAFFIC AND IT'S BACKED UP AND THERE'S NO, NO FLOW OF IT. 
          AND SO, BUT IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY, UH, LINKED TO ALL THE, THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING THERE AND IT'S NEVER BEEN A PERFECT, PERFECT, UM, CROSSING. 
          THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF BACKUP DURING TRAFFIC HOUR, BUT, UM, BUT NO MATTER WHAT WE PUT THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE INCREASED TRAFFIC. 
          I MEAN, AT SOME POINT. 
          AND WE, WE HAD EPICURE AND WE HAD THE HARDWARE STORE AT THE TIME, WHICH WAS BRINGING CUSTOMERS IN ANYWAYS, SO, UM, AND I SYMPATHIZE WITH YOU GUYS BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS A LOT OF TIME THERE'S SOME RETAIL AREAS THAT WE END UP AVOIDING, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF RETAILERS SUFFER JUST BECAUSE WE CAN'T FIND PARKING LOT. 
          AND I, AND I'M, I'M BIG ON MY ROOM. 
          I WALK, I BIKE, I RIDE A SCOOTER, BUT I STILL END UP USING MY CAR TO GO TO SOME OF THESE PLACES AND SOME PLACES I AVOID BECAUSE I CAN'T FIND PARKING SPACE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU TIM. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS? NEESON? JUST CURIOUS, IS THERE ANYONE ON ZOOM? THERE IS. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD MORNING CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, NEESON, CASSON AKERMAN, I REPRESENT ALTON VENTURES, DAVID BERG. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT ABOUT WHAT THIS IS REALLY TRYING TO ACHIEVE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE PEOPLE WHO WORK ON THE BEACH DON'T LIVE ON THE BEACH OR AREN'T PLACES FOR THEM TO LIVE AND PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE BEACH DON'T WORK ON THE BEACH. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S CREATING THE TRAFFIC. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, THE CITY'S TRYING TO DO WITH RESIDENTIAL AND OFFICE DEVELOPMENT IS CREATE AN ECOSYSTEM WHERE YOU, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY LIVE AND WORK IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER. 
          AND THAT'S WHY DAVID'S PLAN FOR HIS SITE ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHES ALL THAT. 
          IT HAS A SMALL BOUTIQUE OFFICE COMPONENT, IT HAS RESIDENTIAL, IT HAS RETAIL, WHICH WILL BE LA LARGELY, UH, RESIDENT ORIENTED, AS WE WILL POINT OUT IN OUR PRESENTATION LATER ON HIS SPECIFIC APPLICATION. 
          YOU SEE THIS HAPPENING IN NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THIS COMMUNITY AND IN FACT THE WORLD, FOR INSTANCE, COCONUT GROVE, THEY HAVE OFFICE, THEY HAVE RESIDENTIAL AND THEY HAVE ALL THE AMENITIES OF LIFE MARKETS, RESTAURANTS, ET CETERA. 
          PEOPLE ARE CENTERING THEIR LIVES AROUND NODES. 
          IT'S BEGINNING TO HAPPEN EVEN IN SOUTH POINT WITH RESIDENTIAL AND SOME NICE OFFICE THAT'S GOING IN THERE. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE IN THE CITY. 
          IT'S THAT MIX SO THAT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE, A GOOD NUMBER OF PEOPLE WILL NOT HAVE TO COMMUTE BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE BAY TO GET THEIR JOBS OR TO THEIR RESIDENCES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS? MA'AM? GOOD MORNING. 
          UH, MY NAME'S ELIZABETH LANRE. 
          I'M A RESIDENT, UM, SINCE 2013. 
          SO IE ELIZABETH CAN YOU GIVE YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE? OH YES. 
          1688 WEST AVENUE. 
          SO I'M LIVE ON THE BLOCK THAT'S OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. 
          UM, I'M OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD AS IT IS PROPOSED. 
          UM, MOSTLY AROUND THE FAR LIMITS AND THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. 
          I THINK THAT IT'S SUCH A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THE FABRIC OF THE BLOCK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WILL CAUSE INCREASED TRAFFIC. 
          I ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT SINCE BEFORE THE CURRENT, 
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UM, CONSTRUCTION THAT'S IN THE AREA. 
          SO I DO DISAGREE WITH THE NOTION THAT MOST OF THE ISSUES AROUND TRAFFIC, UM, ON THE VENETIAN ARE TRANSIENT DUE TO THE ROADWORKS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. 
          IT WAS ACTUALLY A NIGHTMARE BEFORE AS WELL, . 
          SO I THINK THAT WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE REALLY CHANGING THE FABRIC OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK THAT THE BUILDING'S WAY TOO TALL. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW CLEARLY THIS IS YOUR AREA OF EXPERTISE, NOT MINE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AREA WAS PREVIOUSLY ZONED AT, BUT I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD BE MAKING AN EXCEPTION FOR THIS DEVELOPER TO GO ABOVE AND ACTUALLY CREATE A 14 STORY BUILDING AND A BLOCK THAT IS GENERALLY AROUND THREE STORIES. 
          UM, I JUST, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT, UM, HOW THAT HELPS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HOW THAT SUPPORTS THE COMMUNITY AND HOW THAT SUPPORTS THE RESIDENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE HERE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          ZOOM? YES. 
          OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS VALERIE NAVARETTE. 
          GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          I AM VALERIE NAVARETTE. 
          I LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, LINCOLN ROAD WEST FOR, IN NOVEMBER WILL BE 20 YEARS. 
          LOVE THE AREA. 
          UM, UH, LATELY WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE IN OUR QUALITY OF LIFE, IN THE SENSE OF GETTING IN AND OUT OF OUR PROPERTIES IN CERTAIN TIMES, AND THE NEED FOR PARKING. 
          IT'S, WE ARE GONNA BLEED. 
          WE ARE BLEEDING AS IT IS, AND ONCE THE STREETS ARE RAISED, WE ARE GONNA LOSE SO MUCH MORE PARKING IN ADDITION OF WHAT WE LOST ALREADY. 
          AND I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT WITH AS MUCH PARKING AND EXTRA THAT IT COULD BE GIVEN. 
          AND I ALSO SUPPORT MICRO MOBILITY, BUT WE, ME, OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, UH, . 
          BUT, UM, WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC AND REASONABLE. 
          THE NOT LONG AGO, IT TOOK ME NINE MINUTES TO GO ONE BLOCK DURING RUSH HOUR, UH, FROM 17 FROM 16 TO LINCOLN. 
          AND THAT'S BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE, NOT ONLY DRIVING TO THEIR DESTINATION, BUT ARE LOOKING FOR PARKING, THE PEOPLE THAT WILL MOVE IN AS A REALTOR. 
          AND I CAN TELL, UH, FOR 26 YEARS, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT WILL MOVE INTO THIS BUILDING, THEY WILL NOT STOP MOVING IN WITH THEIR CARS. 
          THEY WILL COME WITH THEIR CARS, SOME OF THEM AND SOME NOT. 
          SO PARKING IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. 
          ONCE THEY BRING THEIR CARS, THEY THINK THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PARK ON THE STREETS, BUT THERE WILL BE NO PARKING BECAUSE AS IT IS, WE ALREADY DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING. 
          SO PLEASE, WE ARE BLEEDING AND WE DON'T WANNA BLEED MORE. 
          I AM IN FULLY SUPPORTIVE. 
          THIS PROJECT IS A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT, AND IN ADDITION, THEY WILL BE ALSO, UM, GIVING US THE RESIDENTS, UH, PARKING ON, OFF, UM, HOURS ONCE THE, THE OFFICES ARE CLOSED. 
          SO THIS WILL BENEFIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMMENSELY. 
          SO I'M BEGGING YOU, WE ARE BLEEDING. 
          DON'T LET US BLEED MORE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, VALERIE. 
          OKAY, NEXT SPEAKER IS JOHANN MOORE. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          UH, JOHANN MOORE, UH, 7 1 7 JEFFERSON AVENUE. 
          I WANTED TO COMMENT ON THREE THINGS. 
          UM, PARKING, AFFORDABILITY, AND UNIT SIZE. 
          UM, I'LL START WITH THE END OF THAT. 
          UM, THIS PROJECT IS NOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THE COMMENT IS A GENERAL ONE. 
          I LIVE IN A 555 SQUARE FOOT, TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH APARTMENT. 
          AND ONE OF THE BENEFITS IS IN FACT, ALL THE WALLS, BECAUSE IT MAKES FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT ROOMS, A LOT OF DIFFERENT SPACES, AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES FOR USING THAT APARTMENT. 
          I AM SHOCKED THAT THERE IS A SUGGESTION THAT PEOPLE WOULD, IN FACT, WANT TO LIVE IN A 600 SQUARE FOOT STUDIO, WHICH BY DEFINITION DOES NOT, AS A RULE, HAVE A SEPARATE BEDROOM, THOUGH IT MAY HAVE AN ALCOVE. 
          UH, I REALLY THINK THAT THAT IS AN INHUMAN, UH, UH, FLOOR PLAN, UH, THAT REALLY LIMITS THE POSSIBILITIES FOR THOSE SMALLER UNITS THAT FEEDS INTO AFFORDABILITY. 
          WHILE THESE VARIOUS ITEMS, THESE VARIOUS PROPOSALS BY THE COMMISSIONER ARE ABSOLUTELY IN GOOD FAITH AND SINCERE IN THEIR INTENTIONS, UM, AFFORDABILITY NEEDS TO BE, UH, MANAGED AND DETERMINED. 
          AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT NONE OF THESE PROPOSED UNITS ARE INTENDED TO BE AFFORDABLE IN AN A MI SENSE. 
          BUT THAT IS PRECISELY THE SHORTCOMING OF THESE PROPOSALS AND, UH, THE BASIS FOR A GREAT DEAL OF THE SKEPTICISM. 
          MY FINAL COMMENT RELATES TO, I BELIEVE IT IS ZONE C, 
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WHICH UNFORTUNATELY, DUE TO AN AGREEMENT MADE MANY YEARS AGO, UH, IS EXCLUDED, UH, UH, BORDERS AN AREA THAT IS EXCLUDED FROM FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, UH, UH, DEL LIMITATIONS. 
          SO, FPNA, I BELIEVE, DOES NOT FEEL IT APPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER A MOTION, UH, RELATED TO THAT DEVELOPMENT, BUT I WILL POINT OUT IN LIGHT OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT 1600 WASHINGTON, THAT THOSE PRE PEOPLE NOT BE ALLOWED TO PARK IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THAT WOULD APPLY AS WELL TO ZONE C. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, JOHAN. 
          OKAY, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MARK WALL. 
          GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. 
          UH, MY NAME IS MARK WALL, UH, OWNER RESIDENT, UH, OVER 30 YEARS AT WEST BAY PLAZA, 1688 WEST AVENUE, WHERE I'VE WITNESSED, UH, PLENTY OF CHANGES OVER THE YEARS. 
          UM, MORE SO FOR HOTEL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, MORE SO WITH, UH, NEW GARAGES. 
          IN FACT, UM, NOW I, I CAN BELIEVE THAT THERE'S PROBABLY MORE OF A NEED FOR PARKING THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE ONGOING CONSTRUCTION. 
          BUT I CAN TELL YOU AS OF LAST NIGHT WHEN I WALKED AROUND, I STILL SAW PLENTY OF OPEN SPACES IN ALL THE GARAGES. 
          11, 11, 12, 12. 
          SO IF WE CAN'T FILL THOSE GARAGES RIGHT NOW WITH SUPPOSEDLY ALL THESE DEMANDS AND NEEDS FOR PARKING, WHAT IS TO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE PARKING THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE? THAT'S, THAT'S ONE CONCERN I HAVE THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT DEFINITELY OUTTA CHARACTER, OUT OF SCOPE. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA TO EXCEED THE, THE HEIGHT AND PREVIOUS PROJECT. 
          UM, I THINK DID MORE TO ADDRESS THE, THE, THE CLASS A OFFICE SPACE NEEDS TO BRING IN HIGHER PAYING JOBS AND CAREER OPPORTUNITIES. 
          UM, I THINK THAT THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE SERIOUS ISSUES THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY CONTINUE ON ANOTHER CONVERSATION. 
          BUT I THINK TO PUT ALL THE EGGS IN ONE BASKET AND THINK THAT THIS ONE PROJECT OR THIS CHANGE IN ZONING, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS A SILVER BULLET, AND IT'S GONNA ADDRESS TRAFFIC, PARKING, HOUSING, YOU KNOW, RETAIL VACANCIES. 
          I, I, I THINK WE'RE JUST FOOLING OURSELVES. 
          WE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY IN NORTH BEACH AND, AND IT WAS SCREWED UP AND IT WAS A TOTAL LAND GRAB, AND WE DIDN'T LEARN ANYTHING. 
          WE DIDN'T CREATE ANY ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR WORKFORCE HOUSING. 
          AND, AND THAT AREA AND RIGHT NOW HAS LESS VACANCIES AND LESS ISSUES, AND YET WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FOCUS ON A SOUTH BEACH LOCATION THAT IS A PREMIUM. 
          AND, AND WE COULDN'T GET IT RIGHT WHEN WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY BEFORE. 
          I THINK THAT, AND I'LL END IT HERE, THAT IF WE'RE GONNA TRY SOMETHING, DO IT ON A SMALL SCALE, DO IT IN A, IN A, IN A SECONDARY MARKET OR AREA, YOU KNOW, NOT ON GROUND ZERO ALTON ROAD WITH ALL THE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THERE. 
          THIS IS JUST A, AN EXPERIMENT WAITING TO, TO FAIL. 
          AND THAT'S MY OPINION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER, UH, SPEAKERS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND NOBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING QUESTIONS. 
          KEITH, YOU WANNA START? WHAT, WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US? I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          WE DO NEED TO CLARIFY . 
          UM, WHAT'S BEFORE YOU CURRENTLY IS THE OVERALL LINCOLN ROAD RESIDENTIAL USE INCENTIVES. 
          THAT INCLUDES THE FOUR DIFFERENT DISTINCT AREAS, UM, THAT I HAD PREVIOUSLY GONE OVER. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE FROM LINCOLN LANE SOUTH. 
          AND, AND SO OBVIOUSLY A RECOMMENDATION FOR OR AGAINST, WELL, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION. 
          RECOMMENDATION, A RECOMMENDATION FAVORABLY OR UNFAVORABLY, AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A SECOND MOTION WITH SUGGESTED REVISIONS. 
          FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE, THERE WERE PROPOSED, BUT IF, IF WE WERE TO SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, UNFAVORABLE, IT WOULD JUST BE BASED ON WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US. 
          UNMODIFIED, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT IT'S 20% PARKING AND, AND 50% AND FIRST FLOOR, I CAN, WE, CAN YOU, THAT'S UP OR DOWN AND THEN WE MODIFY OUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          I MEAN, YOU COULD, OR, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE ITEM SPONSOR IS OPEN TO BEING SOMEWHAT FLEXIBLE WITH, OKAY. 
          SO WE CAN, WITH SOME OF THESE ISSUES, UM, TO A, TO A DEGREE, I THINK, UM, AS LONG AS THE, THE END PRODUCT ACHIEVES THE GOAL OF A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE HOUSING STOCK AFFORDABILITY WHILE NOT BRINGING CARS MORE, YOU KNOW, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MORE CARS INTO THE CITY, RIGHT? THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO AVOID. 
          SO I THINK, UM, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE MICRO MOBILITY. 
          I THINK SOME, SOME FLEXIBILITY OF THE, UM, PERCENTAGE OF RESIDENTIAL 
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MAY BE WARRANTED PARTICULARLY, UM, ALONG LINCOLN ROAD WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH AN EXISTING CONTRIBUTING BUILDING, PERHAPS MM-HMM . 
          UM, BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE EXISTING BUILDINGS, IF THEY'RE BEING RETAINED, YOU KNOW, ALREADY HAVE SOME OFFICE SPACE ON THE SECOND AND OR THIRD FLOORS. 
          UM, AND I THINK FINALLY THE IDEA OF, UM, THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, COULD BE DISCUSSED. 
          I THINK OUR GOAL IS TO INCREASE THE HOUSING WITHOUT INCREASING THE CARS. 
          SO I WOULD JUST ASK TO, FOR, FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, BUT PERHAPS A, A SLIDING SCALE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU DO HAVE A SMALL STUDIO APARTMENT, UM, OR A ONE BEDROOM, MAYBE IT IS, YOU DON'T, YOU CAN'T PROVIDE PARKING FOR THE STUDIOS. 
          I MEAN, I KNOW MAYBE NONE, NO ONE SITTING ON THIS DESK IS, IS GONNA LIVE IN 500 SQUARE FEET WITHOUT A CAR. 
          BUT I DO KNOW PEOPLE IN THEIR TWENTIES, THIRTIES, AND EVEN INTO THEIR EARLY FORTIES THAT LIVED THAT WAY, I CERTAINLY LIVED THAT WAY WHEN I CAME OUTTA GRAD SCHOOL, UM, FOR SEVERAL YEARS. 
          SO I THINK THAT, THAT THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MORE DIVERSE RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS, STUDIOS WITHOUT PARKING, ONE BEDROOMS WITH A HALF A SPACE OF PARKING, PERHAPS TWO BEDROOMS, GET INTO MORE EXPENSIVE UNITS, AND THOSE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, EITHER THE ONE AND A HALF OR TWO PARKING SPACES FOR, FOR A CERTAIN SIZE UNIT. 
          SO I THINK THE, THE PLANNING BOARD CAN DISCUSS ALL OF THOSE AS AMENDMENTS TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEFORE YOU AND, YOU KNOW, STAFF. 
          WHAT STAFF COULD DO IS WE COULD GO BACK AND, AND, UH, DISCUSS THE SPECIFICS OF THAT WITH THE SPONSOR AND PERHAPS BRING SOMETHING TO THE COMMISSION THAT HAS SOME OF THOSE, UM, CHANGES INCORPORATED. 
          BUT IS THIS COMING BACK TO US? THIS IS THE SECOND HEARING FOR THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          SO CURRENTLY IT IS NOT SCHEDULED TO BE BROUGHT BACK BEFORE YOU, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THE, IF THE PLANNING BOARD WANTED TO SEE IT COME BACK, WE WE COULD ALSO DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS PRIMARILY A RECOMMENDATION TO COMMISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I MEAN, THERE'S A TON OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE DOING OFF THE TOP OF OUR HEAD. 
          I, IF THAT'S WHAT CHAIR AND STAFF RECOMMENDS, THAT'S OKAY. 
          BUT I, I FIND IT KIND OF DIFFICULT ON SOMETHING THIS LARGE. 
          BUT I MEAN, JUST THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED, ARE WE GONNA JUST TALK ABOUT THAT? THAT'S FINE. 
          WHAT, WHO'S UP TO TALK? ME? YEP. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL GO. 
          I, I THINK THAT WE'RE NOT NEW YORK CITY. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THE CONCEPT OF HAVING A BUNCH OF 500 OR 400 SQUARE FOOT CLOSETS IN A, IN AN AREA WHERE YOU CAN WALK EVERYWHERE IS PRACTICAL IN MIAMI BEACH. 
          I DO UNDERSTAND THE GOAL, AND I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A TRANSITION. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WE CAN LIMIT THE, THE ACTIVITY OF CARS, BUT ELIMINATING CARS, LIKE SOMEONE ELSE SAID, I THINK THAT WAS A CALLER IS, IS PROBABLY NOT REALISTIC IN MIAMI AND MIAMI BEACH PEOPLE GO PLACES. 
          AND WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TELLING SOMEBODY IS THAT IF, IF I BUY INTO THIS PLACE AND I HAVE A ONE BED, LET'S NOT TALK A STUDIO, MAYBE THAT'S OKAY, BUT I HAVE A ONE BEDROOM AND I HAVE A CAR I CAN'T BUY THERE BECAUSE I HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT MY CAR. 
          I CAN'T RENT THERE. 
          AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT IT HAS AN OFFICE SPACE. 
          IF YOU HAVE MICRO MOBILITY AND I HAVE A CAR, THEN I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THAT CAR AROUND THE AREA. 
          I USE IT WHEN I NEED IT, WHEN I GO, YEAH. 
          YOUR DISTINCTION FOR BUSINESS IS IMPORTANT. 
          AND FOR, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE SAYING NOT THE CAR IS THE PROBLEM, IT'S THE TRAFFIC. 
          IT'S THE TRAFFIC. 
          SO HAVING A  AND WHY ARE WE PICKING ON VEHICLES ON A PARKED? WHAT HARM DOES A PARKED CAR IN A GARAGE HAVE TO THE CITY? I, I MEAN, WHEN WE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WRONG PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM IS TRAFFIC. 
          AND YES, MICRO MOBILITY CAN LIMIT IT IF YOU MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR THOSE APPROPRIATE TRIPS. 
          BUT TO TELL SOMEBODY THAT, OH, THE GOVERNMENT SAYS YOU DON'T HAVE, WE WANT, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE CARS IN THAT AREA. 
          I THINK THAT'S, TO ME, FROM A, A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE AND, AND A A SOCIAL PERSPECTIVE, IT'S, IT'S NONSENSE. 
          PEOPLE USE CARS. 
          WE'RE NOT NEW YORK CITY. 
          AND THAT'S MY BIGGEST PROBLEM. 
          AND AND UNLESS WE CAN SOLVE THAT, I CAN'T RECOMMEND THIS. 
          SO. 
          WELL, YOU CAN RECOMMEND IT WITH AN AMENDMENT LIKE A SUGGESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, WELL, I, I WANNA HEAR FROM OTHERS ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT IS MY, THAT'S MY BLOCK ON THIS, 
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THIS THING. 
          I LIKE IT. 
          I, I LIKE THE INCENTIVES. 
          I LIKE THE WORK PLAY, I LIKE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THE CONCEPT IS, IS OVERLY AGGRESSIVE AND MISSING THE POINT OF MICRO MOBILITY. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO REDUCE TRAFFIC, NOT REDUCE PHYSICAL CARS, UH, IF WE HAVE APPROPRIATE PARKING FOR CARS, BECAUSE CARS ARE USED AND THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE IS UBER, AND THAT'S GONNA CAUSE TRAFFIC TOO. 
          SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? IF I CALL AN UBER, I HAVE MY OWN CAR TO GO TO BRICKLE OR TO GO TO NORTH BEACH. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO E-BIKE TO NORTH BEACH . 
          WELL, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA EBIKE ANYWHERE. 
          YOU'RE NOT GOING TO NORTH BEACH ANYWAY, , BUT IT'S, IT'S, LET'S, LET'S GET REAL, MY, THAT'S MY COMMENT. 
          WE, WE GOTTA GET SERIOUS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LET ME GO, SCOTT. 
          UM, FIRST A FEW, UH, GENERAL QUESTIONS FOR ALL THE DISTRICTS. 
          ONE, I DON'T SEE, I SEE A MINIMUM UNIT SIZE, BUT NOT A MAXIMUM. 
          I THINK WE, WE NEED TO HAVE A MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE. 
          UH, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TWO 3000 SQUARE FOOT UNITS BECAUSE THAT, UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, UM, CANCELS OUT WHATEVER WE'RE TRYING TO, TO ACCOMPLISH HERE IN TERMS OF AFFORDABILITY. 
          UM, SECOND THING, AS FAR AS PARKING, I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME PARKING. 
          UM, WE, WE, YOU JUST CAN'T PUT 150, 200 UNITS THERE AND NO PARKING. 
          YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE CARS AND WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, I DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A, A SPOT FOR EVERY UNIT. 
          MAYBE WE TALKED ABOUT NOT, UM, STUDIOS OR WHATEVER. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT NUMBER IS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE, WHERE WE, WE DRAW THE LINE, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE PARKING, UM, FOR, AND IT'S FOR ALL THE DISTRICTS, NOT JUST THE ONE, THE ONE B, BUT I THINK IN ALL OF 'EM. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          NOW, UH, I GUESS, UH, MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON, IN FOR ONE BI, IS THERE CURRENTLY PERMITTED SHORT-TERM RENTAL SOMEWHERE ON THAT? 'CAUSE I SEE THAT AND I'M, WHERE IS THAT? YES, THAT, THAT WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED, UM, WITH HOTEL UNITS OR SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNITS. 
          SO THAT IS EXISTING TODAY. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE, UM, IF THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD THAT MR. BERG PRESENTED, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT SITE. 
          SO THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S AN EXISTING PERMITTED USE, UM, THAT'S BEEN APPROVED BY ALL REQUIRED AGENCIES, WE WOULD NOT REQUIRE THAT TO BE VACATED. 
          BUT WE COULDN'T JUST, I MEAN, SAY SPEAK GOING FORWARD, ANY, UM, IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY LOST THEIR, THEIR BTR, UM, THE WAY THIS IS WORDED, THEY COULD ACTUALLY LOSE THAT, DO SOMETHING ELSE THERE, AND THEN GO BACK TO SHORT TERM RENTAL DOWN THE LINE. 
          WHY COULDN'T WE JUST KEEP IT AS IT'S, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE, ARE, ARE NOT PERMITTED THERE, BUT IF THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO EXIST AS LONG AS THEY, THEY'RE ACTIVE. 
          YOU CERTAINLY COULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BETTER WAY TO GO. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, NEXT QUESTION I HAD WAS, OKAY, IN AREA THREE, THIS IS, UM, UH, ORDERING THE FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 75 FEET. 
          UM, BUT THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SETBACKS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SETTING BACK JUST THE PORTION ABOVE 50 FEET. 
          I THINK, BECAUSE THIS BACKS UP INTO THE FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBOR, THE, THE LOW SCALE NEIGHBOR, TWO AND THREE STORY, UM, BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M PICTURING WHAT A BUILDING LIKE THAT WOULD LOOK FOR, LOOK LIKE. 
          NORMALLY WHEN WE SET BACK, IT'S ABOVE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE FIRST TWO FLOORS, EVERYTHING SET BACK. 
          THIS SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA ALLOW, ALLOW THE MAXIMUM SIZE THERE, BUT ONLY SET BACK MAYBE THE TOP ONE OR TWO FLOORS. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF A, MAYBE A ABOVE 35 FEET, TWO OR THREE STORIES. 
          IT'S SET BACK THE 20 FEET ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND 50 FEET ON, UM, ON THE LINCOLN ROAD SIDE. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S A HPP WAIVER IF THEY WANTED TO. 
          WELL, I MEAN, IF WE, WE COULD PUT, WE COULD PUT THAT IN AND THEN THE H IT'S IN THERE. 
          HB COULD, YOU KNOW, IF MAYBE IT'S, THEY WANT TO GO UP TO 40 FEET BEFORE IT'S SET BACK ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, THAT'S FINE. 
          UM, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD, I JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A BUILDING THAT'S, LET'S SAY AGAIN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF LINCOLN ROAD, ON THE LINCOLN ROAD, UM, LINCOLN LANE SOUTH, UH, FRONTING THE, THE, THE LOW SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 50 FEET THERE AND THEN MAYBE GOING UP MORE. 
          I JUST THINK THE SETBACK SHOULD, HOW DO I PHRASE, START LOWER AT 35 FEET? 30, 35 FEET. 
          UM, 
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I THINK IT WOULD BLEND IN OR, OR FIT IN BETTER WITH THE, WITH THE LOW RISE NEIGHBORHOOD LINGO, PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, I JUST, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THERE'S NO, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A 75 FOOT BUILDING, BUT JUST ABOVE 50 FEET, THAT'S WHEN THE SETBACK IS GONNA START FOR THE, FOR THE, IT'S, IT'S NOT, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I JUST, I, I CAN'T ENVISION THAT THERE. 
          UM, AND THE LAST THING I HAD WAS, UH, TALKING ABOUT SETBACKS IN AREA ONE B, I DIDN'T SEE ANY MENTION OF SETBACKS. 
          I MEAN, I, I, UNLESS I'M MISSING IT SOMEWHERE IN HERE, BUT WHAT ARE, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AS FAR AS SETBACKS IN AREA ONE B? OKAY, I THINK I CAN, I HAVE GOT, YOU HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS IN THERE, SO LET ME MAYBE GO ONE BY ONE. 
          UM, THE FIRST QUESTION WAS WITH REGARD TO THE MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE. 
          SCOTT, YOU ARE CORRECT. 
          THE CURRENT VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT HAVE A MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE. 
          WE ORIGINALLY, WHEN THIS WAS PRESENTED, UM, TO THE LAND USE COMMITTEE, HAD A MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE OF 1200 SQUARE FEET. 
          AT THE DISCUSSION AT LAND USE, THE MEMBERS VOTED TO ACTUALLY REMOVE THAT MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE. 
          UH, WE HAD A SIMILAR DISCUSSION ABOUT WASHINGTON AVENUE, AND ULTIMATELY BECAUSE WASHINGTON AVENUE IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AHEAD IN THE PROCESS IN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, AMENDMENT, IS THE, THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT TO ROLL BACK INTO WASHINGTON AVENUE, THE, THE MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE, AND THAT WAS DETERMINED TO BE 1300 SQUARE FEET AS A MAXIMUM. 
          SO THE PLANNING BOARD AS PART OF THIS DISCUSSION, COULD CERTAINLY RECOMMEND THAT A MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE BE ROLLED BACK INTO, UM, THE, THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE. 
          UM, THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT, LET ME SEE THE, THE HEIGHT, UM, ON THE LINCOLN LANE SOUTH SIDE. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE AREA THREE. 
          THE REASON WHY WE CHOSE THE 50 FOOT LIMIT IS BECAUSE THAT IS CURRENTLY THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT THAT, UM, THAT 50 FOOT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED FOR A COMMERCIAL BUILDING OR A HOTEL BUILDING. 
          THIS IS A CD THREE ZONING DISTRICT, UM, DOES NOT HAVE REQUIRED SETBACKS. 
          SO SOMEONE COULD BUILD NOW A 50 FOOT TALL BUILDING FROM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PROPERTY LINES. 
          SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, AND WHY STAFF CHOSE ANYTHING ABOVE 50 FEET TO BE SET BACK FURTHER, BUT CERTAINLY AS PART OF THE DRAFT LANGUAGE, BECAUSE GOING UP TO 75 DOES HAVE MORE OF AN IMPACT. 
          WE COULD, YOU COULD, YOU COULD RECOMMEND IT IF THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. 
          CORRECT. 
          THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, THEN WE NEED TO INCORPORATE THE, THE, THE SETBACKS. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO YOU COULD LOOK AT THE 35 FOOT HEIGHT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD MATCH WHAT'S TO THE SOUTH OF LINCOLN LANE SOUTH, WHICH IS THE RM ONE, WHICH HAS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 35. 
          SO YOU COULD LOOK AT STEPPING BACK IN ABOVE THE 35 FEET AS A RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND THEN, UM, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE SETBACKS FOR AREA ONE B, AND YOU'RE CORRECT, WE DID NOT INTRODUCE, UM, AS PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION SETBACKS FOR EITHER AREA ONE A OR ONE B. 
          WE BELIEVE THESE ARE FRONTING ON, UM, LARGER COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, ALTON ROAD AND 17TH STREET, THAT MAY NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, SETBACKS WARRANTED BECAUSE THE SCALE IS DIFFERENT. 
          THESE ARE ALSO TWO AREAS THAT ARE LOCATED OUTSIDE OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          SO THE, AND THERE BE NO SETBACKS FOR THOSE AREAS ALREADY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, UM, CORRECT. 
          WHY WAS THAT AREA INCLUDED? WHICH AREA? LINCOLN ROAD ONE B. 
          WHY, WHY IS THAT INCLUDED? ONE A? THAT WAS, THAT WAS PART OF AN EXPANDED AREA THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL. 
          AND I THINK THE INTENT WAS, YOU KNOW, MR. BERG APPROACHED THE CITY. 
          HE OWNS PROPERTY, UH, PROPERTY THAT'S CURRENTLY VACANT, UM, AND WAS INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, IN BEING INCLUDED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE INCENTIVES. 
          THE CITY IS ALSO VERY INTERESTED, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE GOAL IS TO INCREASE REASONABLY AFFORDABLE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING PRODUCTS WHILE LIMITING NEW CARS COMING TO THE CITY. 
          SO WE, UM, YOU KNOW, DID TAKE A LOOK AT IT WITH THE, WITH THE ITEM SPONSOR. 
          AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS MAY NOT BE IDENTICAL TO WHAT MR. BERG IS, IS LOOKING AT DOING, BUT I THINK CERTAINLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD CAN MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          STAFF CAN ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT IT DEPENDING ON THE DIRECTION, UM, OF THIS, YOU KNOW, OF HOW THIS MOVES FORWARD. 
          YEAH. 
          SO SCOTT, I BELIEVE I ANSWERED ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          YEAH, I JUST THINK I, I, I MEAN, GOING BACK TO THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PROPOSING IN ONE A AND ONE B 150 FEET, NORMALLY, WHENEVER, REGARDLESS OF THE SITUATION, WHENEVER STAFF HAS, I MEAN, PROPOSED THE HEIGHT THAT THEY, THEY'VE ALWAYS 
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SEEMED TO INCORPORATE, UH, SOME KIND OF SETBACK. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THAT UP. 
          I, I DO THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME, UH, IN, IN ONE A AND ONE B. 
          OKAY, JONATHAN? UM, YEAH. 
          SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF MY CONCERNS SURROUND THE GROUPING OF ALL OF THESE TOGETHER. 
          UH, ONE OF, YOU KNOW, ONE THING I THINK WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, AND MAYBE, MAYBE I MISSED IT HERE, UH, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE IT, IS AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW MANY OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE GONNA BE TAKE, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PROPERTIES COULD BE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT AND WHAT THE, THE NEW LANDSCAPE OF THE AREAS WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          AND I, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT'S, IT'S HARD TO TELL FOR US IS, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONS ON TIME, THE ROOFTOP ADDITIONS CAN TOTALLY CHANGE THE DYNAMIC HERE, MASSIVE STUDIES IF MORE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, RIGHT? SO, I DON'T KNOW, NECESS, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE, I'M CURIOUS HOW MANY BUILDINGS WHICH ARE NOW, YOU KNOW, FOUR STORIES COULD SUDDENLY GO UP TO 12 STORIES. 
          UH, IF THEY JUST RE REDESIGN THEIR LOBBY, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND PUT SOME MICRO MOBILITY IN THERE, UH, IT COULD CHANGE THE WHOLE AREA. 
          I MEAN, TO ME, THE, THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS WHERE I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE AND INCREASING THE HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, MAKES SENSE. 
          I'M IN FAVOR OF INCREASING THE HEIGHT. 
          I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S JUST THE, SOMETHING THAT'S NECESSARY AS THE CITY DEVELOPS. 
          THE DRASTIC INCREASE OF MORE THAN DOUBLE FOR SOME OF THE ZONES, TO ME IS A BIT, UH, EXTREME. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT GROUPING THESE ALL TOGETHER WHEN THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS AS WELL. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, I FIND IT HARD TO FIND A MIDDLE GROUND, UH, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT ZONES. 
          AND I, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY WHO KNOWS ME ON THIS BOARD KNOWS THAT I TRY TO FIND A BALANCE BETWEEN EVERY, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT SIDES HERE. 
          AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT MR. BERG IS PROPOSING IS, SEEMS LIKE A GREAT PROJECT, SEEMS LIKE A GREAT, YOU KNOW, UH, PROPOSAL FOR THE CITY AND, AND FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA. 
          UH, THE PROBLEM IS, IS IF YOU ALLOW THIS, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE, YOU KNOW, VERY HIGH, UH, THRESHOLDS, UH, YOU KNOW, IF MR. BERG PASSES ON OWNERSHIP TO SOMEBODY ELSE, THIS IS A SECOND, OR MAYBE EVEN THIRD HANDS, WE'VE SEEN THIS PROPERTY IN. 
          AND SO IF YOU ALLOW THIS, YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE SOMEBODY AS, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT NOT, YOU KNOW, MR. THINK IS A RESIDENT OF MIAMI BEACH, SO I MEAN, CARES A LOT ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY. 
          YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT FROM SOMEBODY ELSE WHO COMES IN AND WANTS TO DO THINGS AS OF RIGHT. 
          UM, AND SO I, I, I HAVE, I'M OUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY UNLIKELY IF WE PASS THE NO PARKING. 
          UM, I THINK THE KIND OF TO HATE TO JUMP AROUND, BUT I THINK THE NO PARKING ISN'T REALISTIC. 
          I THINK IT'S GONNA BE HARD FOR ANYBODY TO GET, YOU KNOW, A LOAN, YOU KNOW, FINANCING FOR PROPERTY WITH NO PARKING, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR RESIDENTIAL. 
          NOW, DO I THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD RENT IT, YOU KNOW, THE, THOSE UNITS WITHOUT PARKING? YOU KNOW, PROBABLY, I MEAN, THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT MORE UNITS ON SOUTH BEACH WITH NO PARKING THAN WE REALIZE. 
          AND IT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ANY BUILDINGS THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANT, UH, VACANCY, UM, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN THAT AREA. 
          SO, UM, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE THINKING ABOUT AND TALKING ABOUT THE, THE REDUCED PARKING. 
          BUT I DO ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT THE SITUATION THAT THE WEST AVENUE IS GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW, THEY NEED PARKING. 
          IF YOU DON'T GIVE THEM PARKING, THEN THEY'RE, THE RESIDENTS ARE GONNA BE FORCED TO PARK ON THE STREET OR IN THE OTHER GARAGES, TAKING AWAY THE SPOTS THAT THE OTHER RESIDENTS NEED. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY I FEEL LIKE THESE GROUP, THESE ZONES SHOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME OTHER AREAS THAT MIGHT HAVE MORE PARKING. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE SOME OF THE GARAGES ON LINCOLN ROAD PROBABLY ARE, YOU KNOW, EMPTY AND, AND COULD HOLD MORE CARS. 
          AND, UH, BUT HERE, I DON'T KNOW, ON WEST AVENUE, ON THAT SIDE OF WEST AVENUE, UM, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT. 
          AND, AND THE RESIDENTS TO PARK AREN'T REALLY GONNA, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARDER TO CROSS ALTON ROAD, NOT EASY TO CROSS THAT STREET THERE AT THAT, AT THAT LIGHT. 
          AND SO I JUST, IT'S A CHALLENGING, UH, THING. 
          UM, SO THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, AND WE, I APPRECIATE MR. BERG'S, YOU KNOW, PROPOSAL OR OFFER TO, TO PROVIDE EVENING PARKING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IF THERE IS A NEW DEVELOPER, I WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A WAY TO 
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PASS THAT ON THAT REQUIREMENT, UM, ON, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE NEXT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MEMORIALIZE THAT? IT'S JUST A QUESTION I HAVE. 
          UM, UM, I, I DO LIKE THE CON I'M CURIOUS, WHY DID THE, WAS IT LAND USE, UH, THAT DIDN'T APPROVE THE MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE? DO WE KNOW, LIKE, WHAT WAS THE REASON WE REMOVED IT? I THINK IT WAS US, WE REMOVED IT, IT WAS US. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT, I MEAN, THE COST TO REDEVELOP THESE BUILDINGS AND TO ADD THINGS TO IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. 
          YOU CAN'T HAVE, UM, I I, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WOULD BE DONE, AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE, I MEAN, HAVING A FLOOR, YES. 
          HAVING A, HAVING A CEILING, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          I MEAN, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THAT BE BECAUSE I GET IT. 
          SO IF YOU'RE, I DON'T KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE. 
          I MEAN, THE, THE NO PARKING SORT OF RESTRICTS THAT, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT, NOBODY'S GONNA HAVE A, YOU KNOW, 3000 SQUARE FOOT, YOUR NEARBY IS 3000 SQUARE FOOT UNIT WITHOUT PARKING SPACE. 
          UM, AND, AND THE HOTELS, I MEAN, NOT THE HOTELS, THE, UH, PARKING DECKS THAT ARE CLOSE BY. 
          I THINK 11, 11 IS 20 BUCKS AN HOUR. 
          I'M NOT GONNA PAY THAT . 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, BUT I, I THINK JUST TO YOUR POINT, UM, THE DISCUSSION AT LAND USE KIND OF CENTERED AROUND IN TERMS OF UNIT SIZE, A, A DIVERSIFICATION OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS THAT YOU, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, SAY YOU MOVE IN, YOU'RE SINGLE AND THEN YOU GET MARRIED, AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME BUILDINGS THAT COULD, UH, GROW WITH THEIR TENANTS. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT LAND USE IN TERMS OF HAVING A MIX OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF UNITS FOR FAMILY, UM, FOR FAMILIES AS WELL. 
          NOW, ONCE YOU GET INTO FAMILIES, I THINK THE QUESTION THAT WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT TODAY IS, WELL THEN HOW REALISTIC IS NOT HAVING A CAR? I DO KNOW SEVERAL URBAN FAMILIES, UM, THAT HAVE ONE CAR, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE, BUT SOME, SOME REQUIRE TWO, RIGHT? UM, ESPECIALLY ONCE YOU HAVE CHILDREN INVOLVED. 
          SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION, UM, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIMITING UNIT SIZE AND TALKING ABOUT MAYBE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF A SLIDING SCALE FOR SOME TYPE OF PARKING, I THINK IS ALL VERY VALID. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT, I DEFINITELY THINK THE PARKING IS A WHOLE DISCUSSION THAT, OR DECISION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE SORT OF A THRESHOLD THING. 
          UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF SOME PARKING, NOT UNLIMITED PARKING. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          THE PROBLEM IS, IS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE HEIGHT I MENTIONED THE HEIGHT INCREASE, LIKE IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THE PARKING, YOU NEED TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT, UH, TO MAKE THE PROJECT WORK. 
          SO IT'S A PROBLEM, I GET IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THE SOLUTION FOR THAT. 
          UM, THE, SO I, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A CAP ON THE UNIT SIZE. 
          UM, AGAIN, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS, I THINK, I THINK THE PURPOSE OF THIS LEGISLATION IS TO, OF COURSE, INCREASE MICRO MOBILITY, BUT INCREASE, UH, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE HOUSING FOR RESIDENTS NOT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, 15 HIGH END LUXURY UNITS, UM, THAT CAN MAKE THE DEVELOPERS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY BENEFITING THE CITY. 
          NOW, THAT WOULD OF COURSE, FIX THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM, ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM, BUT, UM, THE TRAFFIC, GOING TO THE TRAFFIC, IT'S ANOTHER ISSUE. 
          AND REASON WHY I THINK THAT THE SECTIONS LIKE ONE B, MAYBE EVEN ONE A NEED TO BE SEPARATED OUT, BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS IN THOSE AREAS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, PUTTING RETAIL, ADDITIONAL RETAIL THERE, UH, ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY A, A SUPERMARKET OF SOME SORT, YOU KNOW, NOT SUPERMARKET, BUT A GROCERY STORE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH I THINK IS A, A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND IT'S NEAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF SUPERMARKETS ALREADY, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD, WOULD WELCOME, YOU KNOW, AGRO GROCERY STORE. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST THE TRAFFIC UNDERSTANDING. 
          THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE SET BETWEEN LINCOLN ROAD AND 17TH, LIKE, YEAH, I LIVE IN THAT AREA AND IT'S REALLY HORRIBLE. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY DURING THE, THE HIGH WEEKS OR WEEKENDS. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE OFFICE SPACE, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS ONE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE AVOID, YOU KNOW, IT TO THE PURPOSE AND THE IDEA IS TO HAVE RESIDENTS WORKING IN THE BUILDING OR, YOU KNOW, MIAMI BEACH RESIDENTS WORKING IN THE BUILDING, BUT HOW DO YOU AVOID, WE, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN SEVERAL PROJECTS IN THE PAST IS FAMILY OFFICES TAKING OVER, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE SPACES, YOU KNOW, BIG SPACES. 
          SO IT'S BIG, BEAUTIFUL, AND ELABORATE. 
          YOU PUTTING SOMEBODY, PUTTING THEIR 
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ART COLLECTION IN THESE SPACES, UH, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY HAVING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT REALLY MIAMI BEACH RESIDENTS WORKING IN THE SPACE. 
          AND SO I GUESS A QUESTION IS HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I GUESS A COMPANY OR, OR FAMILY OFFICE DOESN'T TAKE OVER THE WHOLE SPACE WITH VERY FEW LOCAL, YOU KNOW, MY BEACH RESIDENTS, UH, WORKING THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A SOLUTION FOR THAT, BUT, UM, I GUESS MAYBE CAPPING THE OFFICE SPACE SIZE, YOU KNOW, PER SPACE AS WELL. 
          WHAT, UM, WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT CAPPING OFFICE SPACE? WELL, HERE'S, HERE'S THE, WHAT WE'VE, I'VE SEEN IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS ON THE PLANNING BOARD IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S INCENTIVES OFFERED TO CREATE OFFICE SPACE AND THEN, UH, OR, AND, AND IF A BUILDING HAS LIKE A RESIDENTIAL SPACE, RESIDENTIAL AND OFFICE SPACE, OKAY, OKAY. 
          SO WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, THEY CREATE A RESIDENTIAL UNIT IN THE BUILDING TO GET THE BENEFITS OF THE FAR INCREASES, AND THEN THAT RESIDENTIAL UNIT GETS TIED INTO AN OFFICE, AND IT'S LIKE A SORT OF A FLAGSHIP RESIDENTIAL UNIT FOR A COMPANY. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY, WHICH YOU'VE SEEN IN THE, THE BUILDINGS WE'VE, UH, APPROVED FOR SUNSET HARBOR, WE'VE SEEN THEM DO THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT JUST PUT IN ONE BIG, LARGE UNIT THAT EXACTLY, THAT'S MY POINT IS I WANT, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD BE GETTING AHEAD OF THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW? UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE REALLY WANT, IF THE PURPOSE, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THE, THE PURPOSE IS TO CREATE THIS, UH, THIS, THIS ENVIRONMENT TO HAVE A LIVE WORK PLAY THING IN THE BUILDING. 
          BUT AS THE CITY, I THINK YOU NEED TO, THERE NEEDS TO BE GUARDRAILS ON THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          AND WE'RE FURTHERING THE INTENT OF THAT WHEN, SO MY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY IF I HAVE A, I HAVE A SOLUTION FOR IT, BUT JUST MY THOUGHT IS, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THESE UNITS ARE NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, TOO BIG AND TOO EXPENSIVE FOR MIAMI BEACH RESIDENTS AND, AND WORKERS, UH, MAKING SURE THE OFFICE SPACE ISN'T, YOU KNOW, TAKEN UP BY ONE COMPANY THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE REMOTE AND IT'S JUST A BIG, BEAUTIFUL SPACE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, UM, SO, BUT, BUT JONATHAN, I MEAN, WHAT WE'VE GOT IN NORTH BEACH RIGHT NOW IS IT'S, THEY'RE MICRO UNITS. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE SMALL, TINY, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN. 
          LIKE, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT IN SOUTH BEACH, AND I DON'T WANNA, JOHN, WHAT'S THE ISSUE WITH THE MICRO? THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THOUGH. 
          THERE IS A MINIMUM THERE. 
          HE, WE ARE BEING TOLD THE TIME OUTTA THEIR SHORT TERM, THEY'RE ALL CO-LIVING, ALL OF THAT STUFF. 
          I JUST, I THINK THAT IF THIS IS GONNA BE DONE, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE THE RIGHT WAY. 
          AND I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO USE THAT SPACE AS A WAREHOUSE, I DON'T LIKE, WHO CARES? LIKE, I DON'T, I MEAN, DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? I JUST, IT'S LIKE IF I WANNA RENT ANOTHER CONDO OR IF I WANNA BUY A CONDO IN MY BUILDING AND I WANT TO USE IT AS OFFICE SPACE OR WHATEVER, I MEAN, OR AS, OR AS A CLOSET, I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UP TO THE PERSON DOING IT. 
          I, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT, THAT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG, IS TRYING TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, TOTALLY. 
          LIKE THIS IS JUST INCENTIVIZED DEVELOPMENT HERE. 
          IT'S NOT TO, TO, TO PUT SO MANY GUARDRAILS ON SOMETHING THAT NOBODY'S EVEN GONNA COME. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          ARE THERE ANY PROJECTS EVEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT OR, UM, SO I'VE SPOKEN WITH A, WITH A COUPLE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, THAT ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE IDEA, BUT I HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY PROJECTS SUBMITTED FOR MY REVIEW. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IF YOU PUT TOO MANY, TOO MANY HANDICAPS ON THEM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING. 
          I MEAN, I'M JUST, I MEAN, WELL, I AGREE, WHICH IS WHY WE NEED, I THINK THAT THERE WILL NEED TO BE CHANGES IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO REMOVE SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT MAKE IT SO THAT IT WON'T WORK. 
          LIKE PARKING, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MICRO MOBILITY CAP. 
          I THINK THAT, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN SORT OF AGREED TO. 
          SO WHAT, SO WHAT WE, WE SAW EARLIER ARE, ARE REASONABLE, I THINK ARE REASONABLE CHANGES THAT COULD BE MADE. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I WAS LOOKING AT, UM, OUR PARKING SITUATION. 
          I THINK AT SOME POINT MAYBE WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM ON THAT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SUPPOSE YOU HAVE ONE CAR FOR, UM, I DON'T KNOW, 400 SQUARE FEET TO SAY 1200 SQUARE FEET OR, OR EVEN 1600. 
          AND THEN, UM, YOU HAVE TWO CARS FOR ANYTHING OVER THAT, OR YOU HAVE A VALET SPACE THAT'S REQUIRED. 
          I MEAN, MY BUILDING, I'VE GOT ONE SPACE AND SAM WORKS IN MIAMI, AND HE, YOU KNOW, PARKS IN THE VALET SPACE. 
          BUT I THINK THAT, THAT WE 
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NEED TO SET SOME SORT OF, I MEAN, IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT FOR THIS, PERMIT FOR THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, I I, I, I GUESS GOING BACK TO MY POINT ABOUT THE SIZING, WHICH IS WHEN WE STARTED, WAS IF WE'RE GIVING THE BENEFIT OF A MORE THAN DOUBLE INCREASE IN HEIGHT IN AN AREA, THAT'S THE, THAT'S A BENEFIT THAT THIS, THE CITY IS, IS AN EXCEPTION, BASICALLY, SO THAT WE CAN SERVE A PUBLIC BENEFIT, SERVE A PUBLIC INTEREST, WHICH IS MORE HOUSING. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS DOING. 
          THAT'S WHAT THIS IS DOING. 
          IN ORDER TO, WHEN WE ARE RELAYING THAT, THAT EXCEPTION TO INCREASE 150 FEET, IT SHOULD BE BY THE CITY'S, IT SHOULD MAKE SURE, THERE SHOULD BE GUARDRAILS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ACTUALLY SERVING THE CITY'S INTEREST, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE MAKING SURE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TOP FLOOR OF THE 140, YOU KNOW, THE, THE UNIT THAT STARTS AT 135 FEET, THERE'S NOT ONE PENTHOUSE UNIT THAT TAKES UP THE WHOLE FLOOR AND IT'S, AND IT'S A $20 MILLION UNIT. 
          UM, THAT'S WHY I THINK HAVING A MAXIMUM SIZE UNIT SIZE IS IMPORTANT. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M GONNA FIX THAT. 
          YOU, YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT WHEN, YOU KNOW, UH, A A NEW DEVELOPER COMES IN WHO'S, YOU KNOW, NOT, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, SURVEY, YOU KNOW, AS INTERESTED, INVEST INVESTED IN MIAMI BEACH AS MR. BERG, OR ONCE SOMEBODY ELSE POPS UP ON ANY ONE OF THE LINCOLN ROAD, YOU KNOW, UH, THE OTHER ZONES AND WANTS TO BUILD UP TO 150 FEET AND PUTS IN ONE BIG RESIDENTIAL UNIT ON THE TOP TWO FLOORS, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM IN THE PAST. 
          IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE MARKET? RIGHT? I THINK YOU'RE IT DOES, AND IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BARELY MAKE, MAKE SURE THAT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ABOVE ALL THE, THE UNIT SIDE, I KNOW IT'S, WE GOTTA BE CAREFUL PUTTING TOO MANY LIMITATIONS AND, AND YOU KNOW, LETTING, GIVING A LITTLE ELBOW ROOM IN THE WAY THESE ARE DEVELOPED. 
          BUT I MEAN, A BIG CONCERN IS THAT WE DON'T WANT LUXURY, UM, BUILDINGS AND, UM, AND SO, WHICH IS CLEARLY NOT THE INTENT, RIGHT? IT'S CLEARLY NOT THE INTENT, IT'S THE INTENT. 
          IT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THIS CASE. 
          BUT WE, WE HAVE MORE COMING AND, AND JUST NOTE, AREN'T THESE, AREN'T THESE RENTALS? THE FACT ONE, I'M GONNA DO A LITTLE MORE ORDER. 
          SO JOHN, YOU, I WANT TO LET YOU FINISH AND WE NEED TO MOVE ON. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I MEAN, THOSE ARE, UM, UH, I THINK THOSE ARE GENERALLY MY, MY THOUGHTS. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          ALL RIGHTY. 
          UM, FEW THINGS. 
          NUMBER ONE, IN TERMS OF THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS, I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONER SU SUAREZ AND, AND THE APPLICANT FOR THE NEXT ITEM, I'VE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED IT, BUT MY PERSONAL OPINION, I'M OKAY WITH, WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF PARKING. 
          I THINK IT'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING WHERE IT WOULD KIND OF REALLY CHANGE THE FABRIC OF, OF THE AREA OR THE PROJECT. 
          BUT AT LEAST IT'S, LET'S CALL IT A BARE MINIMUM OR HOPEFULLY THE TWO, YOU KNOW, THE SPONSOR AND THE APPLICANT CAN WORK OUT SOME HAPPY MEDIUM. 
          BUT GENERALLY I'M OKAY AND THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          IN TERMS OF THE MICRO MOBILITY, I THINK WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUGGESTED WAS PROBABLY TOO MUCH. 
          SO WHAT WAS SUGGESTED AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN'T GET PASSED IS THE REDUCTION OF THE MULTIFAMILY, I GUESS RESIDENTIAL COUNT IN FAVOR OF THE OFFICE. 
          I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF THE LIVE WORK PLAY. 
          UM, THE CITY HAS APPROVED QUITE A BIT OF OFFICE. 
          UM, ULTIMATELY MY NUMBER ONE GOAL IS TO TRY AND SEE AS MUCH RESIDENTIAL COUNT AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM. 
          I'M IN FAVOR OF MOST OF THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS, BUT NOT THE REPLACEMENT OF THE RESIDENTIAL COUNT WITH THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT. 
          UH, WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IS I APPRECIATE THE MINIMUM MUSIC, MINIMUM UNIT SIZE. 
          WHAT COULD WE DO TO, I GUESS, I DUNNO IF THERE'S ANY MANDATE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ULTIMATE INTENTION IS, WHETHER IT'S FOR CONDOMINIUMS OR FOR ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, MULTI-FAMILY RENTAL STOCK. 
          UM, BUT IF THERE WAS ANY APPETITE FOR, I GUESS INTRODUCTION OF ACTUAL WORKFORCE HOUSING, NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WORKFORCE HOUSING, MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SPONSOR FOR THIS ENTIRE DISTRICT CAN GET MORE FLEXIBLE WITH OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE NEEDED, UH, IN ORDER TO, I GUESS MEET MORE IN THE MIDDLE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CONVERSATION HAS TAKEN PLACE OR NOT, BUT WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF ACTUAL WORKFORCE HOUSING, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY KEEP IT AS TRUE RENTAL STOCK, WHICH I THINK KIND OF SPEAKS TO WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO, TO ACCOMPLISH AND ULTIMATELY SOLVES A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE IN THE CITY, WHICH IS SOLVING FOR THAT MISSING, MIDDLE, ATTAINABLE, UH, HOUSING. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, GUYS. 
          AREN'T THESE, ARE, THESE AREN'T THIRD OR SECOND OR EVEN FOURTH HOMES? I MEAN, THESE ARE RENTALS, SO I, I DON'T WELL, THEY, THEY COULD BE, BUT I MEAN ONCE NO, THEY ARE, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. 
          WELL, NO, ONCE WE APPROVE, AT LEAST WHAT NICK HAS SAID IN THE PAST IS THAT WE CAN'T NECESSARILY MANDATE ACTUAL RENTAL STOCK UNLESS, UNLESS A PROJECT IS, YOU KNOW, WORKFORCE HOUSING 
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APPROVED, THE APPLICANT HAS THE ABILITY TO GO AHEAD WITH THE CONDOMINIUM PROJECT OR NOT MM-HMM . 
          WHICH, WHICH IS FINE, THAT'S THEIR RIGHT. 
          BUT IF, IF THE APPLICANT, UH, FOR THAT PROJECT WAS WILLING TO WORK TOWARDS SOME TYPE OF WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECT, THESE ARE RENTAL. 
          I THINK THAT SHOULD, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          AND, AND I THINK HIL, IF YOU WERE, UM, IF, IF, SINCE THIS IS REALLY DESIGNED AS AN INCENTIVE FRAMEWORK, RIGHT? I THINK YOU PROBABLY COULD ATTACH A CONDITION THAT, UH, THAT, THAT THE UNITS BE, UM, RENTALS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, I THINK IT'S WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A REQUIREMENT THAT'S GOING TO APPLY TO ALL NEW DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S A DISTINCTION WE, WE CAN'T MAKE. 
          BUT THIS IS, THIS IS ALL STRUCTURED AS, AS A, AS AN INCENTIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S GREAT TO KNOW. 
          THEN , UH, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THAT. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO IT'S ONE OF THE PRIOR, PRIOR TO, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT, UM, DAVID, SINCE YOU'RE HERE, I'M GONNA ASK YOU DO, SO, UM, THEY PROPOSED SOME FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS TO THE COMP. 
          WERE YOU PRIVY TO THOSE AND HAVE ANY THOUGHTS EITHER WAY? WHAT WERE I, SO THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, ABOUT IMPOSING A MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE. 
          THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATION ABOUT INCREASING THE PARKING ALLOWANCES, UM, FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE CLOSER TO LINCOLN ROAD. 
          I MEAN, MASON, DO YOU HAVE 'EM DOCUMENTED? CAN YOU HAND 'EM TO 'EM BECAUSE YEAH, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THEY WERE DISCUSSED ALREADY. 
          I JUST WANT YOUR THOUGHTS 'CAUSE EVERYONE'S, I THINK EVERYONE'S SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTED REVISIONS THAT ALL WE, WE SEND IT SEPARATELY, WE SEND IT WITH A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A MOTION FOR, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTED REVISIONS. 
          THESE WERE WHAT WERE SUGGESTED BY THE, UM, BUT DIDN'T YOU ALL MEET TO DISCUSS THIS ALREADY? YES. 
          OTHER WORRIES. 
          I'M, UH, YOU MIND GOING TO THE MIC? IF YOU DON'T MIND? ? SORRY. 
          JUST GOTTA MAKE SURE WE CAN ALL HEAR YOU FOR THE WELL MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE. 
          UM, I'M, AND IN FACT THAT'S WHAT I LED WITH WHEN IT CAME TO, WHEN I FIRST PROPOSED THIS, IT WAS A PREVIOUS COLLEAGUE WHO REALLY SUGGESTED THAT WE, WE DIDN'T, SO TO BE AMENABLE TO THAT, I, I ACQUIESCED, BUT I'M OKAY WITH HAVING A MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE FOR, FOR, FOR LINCOLN ROAD WEST, UH, THE MICRO MOBILITY, YES. 
          I THINK TO A CERTAIN PROJECT IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO CAP IT. 
          'CAUSE YOU DON'T, IF YOU HAVE A VERY LARGE PROJECT, YOU DON'T WANT 40%, UH, OF YOUR, OF YOUR FLOOR BEING DEDICATED TO MICRO MOBILITY IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN PARKING. 
          I UNDERSTAND EVERYONE HERE HAS THEIR OWN OPINIONS ON PARKING. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I I, AS SOMEONE WHO JUST GOT INTO GOVERNMENT TWO YEARS AGO, I'VE REALIZED THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER OPINIONS THAT ABOVE YOUR OWN, UH, THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          AND, UH, I'M LEARNING THROUGH THAT. 
          UM, I'M, I'M OF THE OPINION THAT THE MORE PARKING SPACES THAT YOU BUILD IN MIAMI BEACH MEANS THAT THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER CAR THAT LIVES HERE FOREVER. 
          AND IF IT'S HERE, IT'S GONNA BE USED. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM. 
          I THINK THAT WE, WE CONSISTENTLY BUILD ALL OF THESE LUXURY CONDOS AND THE, THE SELLING POINT OF ALL THESE DEVELOPERS WHO MADE THESE LUXURY CONDOS WAS, WELL, THEY'RE ONLY GONNA BE SECOND AND THIRD HOMES AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA LIVE HERE, SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY TRAFFIC. 
          BUT WHAT WE DIDN'T REALIZE WAS THAT WHEN YOU BUILD SUCH HIGH-END HOMES, EVERY UNIT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED. 
          THERE'S HOUSEKEEPERS, THERE'S CONCIERGES, THERE'S HOUSE MANAGERS, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO THESE SORT OF LUXURY UNITS AND THOSE PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. 
          AND SO WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY SPRAWL, THEY GO FROM, THEY, THEY COME FROM NOT MIAMI BEACH. 
          THEY GET IN THE CAR FOR AN HOUR, THEY DRIVE HERE, THEN THEY GO HOME. 
          THEY'RE IN ANOTHER CAR FOR AN HOUR AGAIN FOR FOR TWO HOURS OF THEIR LIVES EVERY DAY THEY'RE IN A CAR. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT MY INTENT IS TO AVOID. 
          I DO REALIZE THAT IF THERE ARE GONNA BE UNITS THAT ARE ABOVE A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, YEAH, I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY AND YOU HAVE AN INFANT, YOU'RE GONNA NEED A CAR. 
          YOU CAN'T HAVE, YOU CAN'T PUT AN INFANT ON, ON A, ON AN E-BIKE OR A SCOOTER. 
          SO I AM, I AM AMENABLE TO THAT. 
          AND DEPENDING ON WHERE THIS DISCUSSION GOES, I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO COME UP HERE 'CAUSE I REALLY WANTED TO HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS HAD TO SAY. 
          UM, BUT IF YOU'RE ASKING ME YES, I'M, I'M CERTAINLY AMENABLE TO, TO MOST OF THESE AMENDMENTS. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY, THE, THE PARKING IS 
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ALWAYS A A WEIRD ISSUE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU READ ARTICLES ON PLANNING, THEY SAY IN 10, 15 YEARS, NO ONE'S GONNA HAVE A CAR. 
          THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE WAYMO'S ALL OVER THE STREET. 
          BUT YET IN THE SHORT TERM, IT'S A PROBLEM. 
          AND THAT'S THE REAL BALANCE. 
          BUT ANYWAY, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. 
          I DO THINK THERE SHOULD BE A SECOND MOTION WITH SOME SUGGESTED REVISIONS, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND MELISSA. 
          NO, I GOTTA LET, SORRY, TWO MORE. 
          SO, UM, I, WE'VE BEEN TALKING LONG ENOUGH AND I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN IT COMES TO THE PARKING SPACE. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO THINK THIS THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THIS BECOMES A SUCCESSFUL, UM, INITIATIVE. 
          BECAUSE I THINK KUDOS TO, TO DAVID FOR PUSHING US THROUGH. 
          I THINK, UM, HAVING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS WHOLE AREA IS LIKE A BIG IMPORTANT THING FOR US TO DO. 
          AND IT'S BEEN MY BIGGEST COMPLAINT SINCE BEING ON THE PLANNING BOARD IS I, I I REALLY THINK THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING A CASE BY CASE ON EVERY DEVELOPMENT PRO, YOU KNOW, PROJECT. 
          IT SHOULD BE REALLY UNIFIED ACROSS, UM, UM, THESE, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO, BUT UM, AND UM, AGAIN, I THINK THAT, UM, AS KEITH MENTIONED, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T, WE MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN CARS AND TRAFFIC. 
          ONE DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THE OTHER HAPPENS. 
          SO YOU CAN OWN A CAR AND A BIKE AND YOU CAN BE LIVING IN AN AREA WHERE YOU DON'T NEED TO USE YOUR CAR SO MUCH AND YOU USE YOUR BIKE MORE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE A CAR SITTING IN YOUR PARKING LOT FOR THE TIMES THAT YOU NEED THE CAR. 
          AND I THINK FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, IT IS NOT REALISTIC TO NOT TO, TO, TO HAVE NO ACCESS TO A CAR WHEN WE LIVE IN A PLACE THAT HAS RAINS SIX MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR. 
          UM, AND SO FOR BACK TO THE MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE, BECAUSE I AM VERY, VERY, UM, INTERESTED IN US PUTTING, UM, SOME MEASURES THAT WOULD, UH, ASSURE THAT THESE UNITS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE. 
          AND, UM, AND, AND AND I, WE DO HAVE, I THINK THERE'LL BE NATURALLY, UM, UM, A CERTAIN TYPE OF, UM, PEOPLE THAT WILL BE ATTRACTING INTO THESE BUILDINGS. 
          I THINK MOST LECTURE BUILDINGS WANT WATER VIEWS ANYWAYS. 
          THEY WANNA BE IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO I, IT'S UNLIKELY SOMEONE'S GONNA WANT TO LIVE ON LINCOLN ROAD AND BUY A HUGE LUXURY UNIT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL A POSSIBILITY. 
          SO I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME GUARDRAILS. 
          UM, I DON'T LIKE OVER CONTROLLING SOME, 'CAUSE I THINK THE, THE, THE ECONOMICS OF IT KIND OF TAKE ITS OWN SORT OF, OF, OF, OF PACE AND MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THINGS FALL INTO PLACE. 
          BUT I, I WOULD BE OPEN TO LOOKING INTO MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE AND MAYBE BEING A LITTLE BIT ON THE GENEROUS SIDE, BUT SOMETHING THAT AVOIDS BEING A PENTHOUSE, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHAT, WHAT OR AVOIDS WHAT WE, YOU SAID WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, WHAT, WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE? BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE A PERCENTAGE, A WORD THAT IS COMMITTED TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT THEN, THEN THEY'RE OPEN TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH THOSE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THE FLOOR RATIO THERE. 
          AND SO TO YOUR POINT, I REALLY DIDN'T LIKE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN SUNSET HARBOR WITH SOME OF THE, UM, USE OF, UM, UH, THE MIXED USES THAT THEY'VE DONE THERE. 
          SO I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER MAYBE SUGGESTIONS, WHETHER IT'S MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE OR WHATEVER, UM, YOU GUYS SUGGEST. 
          BUT PART OF THE REASON WHY TO POTENTIALLY SEPARATE THESE OUT, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE THESE ZONES OUT, NUMBER ONE IS SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY CONSIDER THE CHARACTER OF EACH PARTICULAR AREA. 
          BUT NUMBER TWO IS SO THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH THE, SOMEBODY LIKE MR. BERG WHO, WHO MIGHT TELL YOU, HEY, LOOK, IF YOU LET ME DO A A $25 MILLION PENTHOUSE, I CAN MAKE THESE OTHER UNITS VERY, VERY INEXPENSIVE FOR BETTER WORKFORCE HOUSING. 
          IT MIGHT BE VICE VERSA, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. 
          BUT THERE'S WAYS OF FINDING A WAY TO MAKE THESE PROJECTS WORK IN TERMS OF THE FINANCIAL ASPECT OF IT THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, WHICH IS EXACTLY, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S SOMETHING COMP INCOMPATIBILITY IF LIKE, YOU KNOW, A BUILDING THAT'S GONNA HAVE A $25 MILLION PENTHOUSE IS NOT GONNA BE IN THE SAME BUILDING WHERE YOU HAVE WORKFORCE LIVING, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, YOU'RE NOT ATTRACTING THE SAME CROWD. 
          THERE'S RARELY MIXED. 
          AND SO, SO AGAIN, LIKE I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, BUT I THINK THE REALITY IS IS THAT YOU THERE, YOU KNOW, A BUILDING HAS ITS OWN KIND OF CROWD THAT IS GOING TO GO ON ATTRACT, AND THEY RARELY MIX LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY IF THESE ARE NOT SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          SO, UM, UM, AND I THINK SOMETHING TO OFFSET THAT THOUGH IS, IS WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP IS TO MAKE SURE THE FIRST TWO FLOORS ARE RETAIL. 
          BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE THAT'S LOST ON THE SECOND. 
          I LOOK AT THE BUILDING ACROSS FROM WHERE WE LIVE AT BELL ISLE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE FIRST FLOOR BUILDING OF THAT, UM, RENTAL APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THOSE ARE THE LAST UNITS THAT GOT RENTED OUT AND THEY PUT ALL THESE BARRIERS THAT YOU CAN'T SEE AND NOBODY'S LIVING THEIR UNIT. 
          I THINK IT'S SENSIBLE TO MAKE THE FIRST TWO FLOORS RETAIL BECAUSE IT ALSO OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS. 
          SO IIII THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A VERY EASY YES FOR ME. 
          SO I'M SUPER SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. 
          I THINK THE PARKING THE UNIT SIZE ARE NEED TO BE RECONSIDERED. 
          HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE, AND THE LAST THING IS, I WANT TO SAY IS WHAT SCOTT BROUGHT UP IS AREA THREE WITH THE SETBACKS. 
          I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          I THINK THAT'S AN AREA WE GOTTA BE REALLY CAREFUL IN WHAT WE, WE ALLOW THERE BECAUSE, UM, IT'S VERY IMPACTFUL TO 
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THAT WHOLE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          CAN I ASK A QUESTION? THE, UH, IN TERMS OF THE LATER, LATER DISCUSSION FOR THE ACTUAL PROJECT, IS THAT SOMEWHERE WHERE WE CAN MAKE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS OR TWEAKS? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE LIMIT PUT MORE GUARDRAILS AS OPPOSED TO COMPLICATING THIS HERE? DO YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH, I, I WOULD CAUTION YOU FROM COMMENTING TOO MUCH ABOUT A SPECIFIC PROJECT BECAUSE IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU AS A COMPLETELY NEW SEPARATE APPLICATION, SO YOU DON'T WANNA PREJUDICE, WELL I GUESS THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, FUTURE POTENTIAL APPLICATION, UM, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT MAYBE REMOVING, UM, AN AREA FROM THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED I THINK IS COMPLETELY VALID BECAUSE IT IS A CONFUSION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A SEPARATE PRIVATE APPLICATION. 
          THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH TALKING ABOUT IT ALL AS ONE ORDINANCE, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME, A VALID POINT IF YOU, IF THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING BOARD SAID, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT AREA BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY AND NOT PART OF THIS. 
          I THINK THAT'S ALSO VALID POINT WELL TAKEN ABOUT THIS TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC PROJECT. 
          I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS JUST IN GENERAL, WHEN WE APPROVE, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS, YOU KNOW, ORDINANCE THEN EACH OF RECOMMEND IT RECOMMENDATION OR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, UH, WHEN WOULD EACH OF THE NEW PROJECTS COME BACK BEFORE US AND FOR A, FOR A PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL COMING BEFORE US WITH THESE ARE, AND THEY'LL TELL US, THESE ARE OUR UNIT SIZES AND THESE ARE OUR, THIS IS WHERE WE PLAN AND PUT OFFICE SPACE AND WHAT WE INTEND TO DO. 
          AND AT THAT POINT WE CAN REJECT IT. 
          AND I, I GUESS MY, IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS, SURE. 
          SO ANY PROJECT THAT IS, THAT EXCEEDS 50,000 GROSS SQUARE FEET WOULD BE COMING BEFORE YOU ANY PROJECT, REGARDLESS OF THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD ALSO BE REQUIRED TO GO TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. 
          BUT IT'S LIKELY THAT ANY PROJECT PROPOSED UNDER THIS ORDINANCE WOULD EXCEED SIGNIFICANTLY EXCEED THE 50,000 GROSS SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, AND THAT REQUIRES A NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT STRUCTURE, CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD. 
          SO AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE A REAL PROJECT, YOU WOULD BE DISCUSSING THINGS LIKE THE UNIT SIZE MIX, THE PARKING, THE LOADING, UM, AND ALL OF THE OTHER OPERATIONAL COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT. 
          SO COULD THAT BE ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE OR AN AMEND A SUGGESTED AMENDMENT IS TO, IF YOU'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THESE INCENTIVES THAT YOU HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD? YES, YES. 
          THAT COULD BE A RECOMMENDATION. 
          THAT MIGHT BE THE WAY TO DO IT. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES, MAY I, UH, JUST BRIEFLY TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          NUMBER ONE, THE, AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING, THE CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING AND WHERE, HOW MUCH MICRO MOBILITY, WHERE IT WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE MIX. 
          WERE ALL RAISED. 
          COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, THE SPONSOR HAS BEEN OPEN-MINDED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. 
          AND, UH, AND SO, UH, WHAT WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING OR REQUESTING IS THAT WE HAVE THREE VERY SPECIFIC, VERY TIGHTLY TAILORED, UH, MODIFICATIONS. 
          UH, MR. NEEDLEMAN HAS MENTIONED ANOTHER ONE, I THINK IT WAS EITHER MS BEATTY OR MS LATTON MENTIONED ANOTHER ONE ABOUT UNIT SIZE. 
          WHAT YOU CAN DO IS, THIS IS VERY MERITORIOUS LEGISLATION. 
          HE'S TAKING THE CITY IN AN AREA WIDE BASIS AND LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING TO CHANGE, TRANSFORM THINGS. 
          BUT THESE AMENDMENTS, YOU CAN MAKE A SPECIFIC MOTION TO HAVE THESE FOUR OR FIVE AMENDMENTS, UH, GO FORWARD WITH THE LEGISLATION. 
          AND I THINK THAT IS A WAY YOU COULD HANDLE IT. 
          YEAH, I AGREE. 
          OKAY. 
          LA LAST COMMENT. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I JUST, SORRY. 
          I JUST WANNA ADD THE, UM, WE OBVIOUSLY, I THINK THE INTENTION IS, IS RENTAL AND SO I THINK A MAX UNIT SIZE, UH, MAKES SENSE. 
          UM, WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, I THINK IS, IS SUBJECTED BECAUSE OF THE, A THREE BEDROOM COULD BE 1500 SQUARE FEET OR 13 SQUARE FEET OR 1700 SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT THE TWO THINGS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, ONE, THE ONE-TO-ONE PARKING RATIO IS GEARED TOWARDS A RENTAL PRODUCT. 
          IN THE CITY OF MIAMI, IT'S 1.5 SPACES PER PER UNIT. 
          SO A A LUXURY CONDO WOULD DEMAND MUCH MORE THAN ONE, UH, PARKING SPACE PER UNIT, ESPECIALLY THAT SIZE AND SCALE. 
          UM, I ALSO THINK, AS I MENTIONED, THE OFFICE COMPONENT AND THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS OFFSET THE RENT AND ALLOW YOU TO BUILD THE RENTAL PRODUCT VERSUS GOING CONDO. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT FACTOR. 
          WITHOUT THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT, IT'S MUCH HARDER TO JUSTIFY THE RENTAL PRODUCT AND THE PRICING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. 
          UM, AND IN ADDITION, I THINK THAT THE COMMERCIAL PRODUCT ALSO HELPS LIMIT THE, THE ABILITY FOR A LUXURY CONDO BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA WANNA LIVE IN A LUXURY CONDO THAT'S ALSO AN OFFICE BUILDING. 
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OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO, UM, I GONNA MAKE A MOTION ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE ORDINANCE AND THEN KNOWING THAT THERE WILL BE A SECOND MOTION WOULD SUGGESTED REVISION, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TRANSMIT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCES TO THE CITY COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN I GET A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY. 
          LET'S DO ROLL CALL IF YOU DON'T MIND. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, MS. BEATY? YES. 
          MR. FRIEDEN? YES. 
          YES. 
          MR. MARKS? YES. 
          MR. NEEDLEMAN? YES. 
          MS. LATON? YES. 
          MR. CEMENT? YES. 
          MR. ELIAS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          OKAY. 
          PASSES. 
          SO IT'S MOVED THE FAVORABLE UNANIMOUSLY. 
          UM, NOW WHO WANTS TO TAKE A SHOT AT SUGGESTED REVISIONS? I'LL TAKE A SHOT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CITY COMMISSION CONSIDER, UH, THE FOLLOWING FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS TO INCLUDE AS PART OF THE LINCOLN ROAD WEST. 
          UM, I GUESS ORDINANCE. 
          SO NUMBER ONE, UH, THAT MICRO MOBILITY STATIONS, UH, I GUESS WITH NO LESS THAN FOUR, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE LANGUAGE I GUESS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THAT FLEXIBILITY? WHERE AREN'T WE GONNA DO THAT WITH THE CAP AT A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE? YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS. 
          YEAH, SHE HAS, IT WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, HAVING A CAP IN TERMS OF THE REQUIRED SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT WOULD BE PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, FROM MY INITIAL 10 FEET, LOOK AT THIS, IT WOULD BE 10 SQUARE FEET PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT AS A, AS A REQUIREMENT. 
          GREAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE LANGUAGE SHOULD BE. 
          UH, AND DO WE ALSO HAVE TO INCLUDE ANY MENTION OF THE LOCATION OF THOSE? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S ALREADY IN THE, OKAY, SO THAT WAS ALREADY INCLUDED. 
          YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GREAT. 
          UH, AND THEN NEXT FOR, UH, THE PARKING. 
          SO WHAT KIND OF LANGUAGE CAN WE INCLUDE, AGAIN, TO INTRODUCE SOME TYPE OF FLEXIBILITY? SO I KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE, UH, PARKING MAY BE PROVIDED AS REQUIRED BY PARKING TIER ONE WITHOUT THE FAR PENALTY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THIS IS REALLY UP TO THE BOARD BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF REALLY REDUCING THE PARKING TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. 
          UM, CURRENTLY THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR 20% FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF PROJECTS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. 
          JUST 20% ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EVERYONE. 
          THERE'S ALSO THE POSSIBILITY OF LOOKING AT, UM, A SLIDING SCALE, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY PRETTY SMART WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO BALANCE AFFORDABILITY, UM, WITH PARKING, UM, A SLIDING SCALE FOR, YOU KNOW, UNITS EITHER, YOU KNOW, STUDIO, ONE BEDROOM AND TWO BEDROOM. 
          SO MAYBE ZERO PARKING ALLOWED FOR A STUDIO UNIT, ONE SPACE OR HALF A SPACE FOR A ONE, A ONE BEDROOM, AND THEN A TWO BEDROOM, MAYBE TWO SPACES. 
          OR WE COULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, A SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE UNIT. 
          IN TERMS OF, CAN I, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE, IN THE UNITS, BUT HE HAS OFFICE SPACE, HE'S GOT RETAIL SPACE, THEY NEED PARKING, BUT PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA WALK TO A RETAIL SPACE UNLESS, UNLESS IT'S THIS BUILDING IS JUST LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY WHO LIVES AROUND THE AREA TO GO TO IT. 
          SO. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHY ARE THEY INCLUDED IN WANT CONVERSA IF WE'RE GOING TO DO, AND I LIKE THE SLIDING SCALE, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OFFICES? WHAT ABOUT THE RETAIL? HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THEIR PARKING? WELL, THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY IN THEIR PROPOSAL THEY TALK, THEY MENTION THAT THE APPLICANT CAN REQUEST A WAIVER FROM THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE UP TO 80%. 
          UP TO 80%. 
          SO OF THE REQUIRED PARKING THERE, THERE'S A FORMULA THAT THEY COME UP WITH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO TO ME, THAT LEAVES IT, I DON'T, I THINK IT'S WRONG FOR US RIGHT NOW IN 2026 TO DETERMINE WHAT THE PARKING NEEDS ARE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, IN 2035. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, I LIKE THE WAY THAT IT'S LEFT TO THE PLANNING BOARD ON A CASE BY CASE, YOU KNOW, BASIS FOR WAIVERS FOR PARTICULAR PROPERTIES. 
          UNLESS YOU THINK THAT THAT'S NOT NO, I, I THINK THAT'S VALID. 
          I THINK I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND IF, IF THAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO ALSO INCLUDE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THERE'S SOME TYPE OF MEASURABLE CRITERIA FOR YOUR REVIEW. 
          SURE. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU WANNA BE PUT IN A POSITION WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE, BUT IT'S NOT TIED OBJECTIVE CRITERIA TO, TO REVIEW. 
          WHAT ABOUT, BECAUSE IT'S MIXED USE. 
          WE HAVE TO LOOK AT RETAIL DIFFERENT THAN OFFICE. 
          DIFFERENT THAN THE SLIDING SCALE OF THE SIZE OF THE APARTMENTS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YOU FEEL YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A MOTION. 
          SO, YEAH, I'M SORRY, KEEP GOING. 
          NO, THIS IS ALL, HEAR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          THIS IS ALL HEALTHY DIALOGUE. 
          UH, I WOULD SAY THAT PARKING MAY BE PROVIDED, MAY BE PROVIDED, UH, AND WE SHOULD INCLUDE SOME TYPE OF SCALE, WHETHER THAT'S AT A BARE MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, STUDIOS DO NOT GET ALLOCATED 
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PARKING TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS SOME KIND OF MINIMUM UNIT THRESHOLD THAT'S NOT GONNA BE CONSIDERED. 
          AND WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE MINIMUM FOR A, A, UM, STUDIO? WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOT THAT YOU WOULD CALL A STUDIO? WELL, THE MINIMUM UNIT SIZE IS, IS IS 500 IN THIS, IN THIS ORDINANCE? WE'D HAVE 500. 
          ARE ARE WE BY DOING THAT THOUGH? ARE WE MAYBE, UM, DISCOURAGING, LIKE, SO A DEVELOPER WHO WANTS TO BE DOING A BUILDING WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, SMALLER, ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY DON'T DO STUDIOS BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE RESTRICTED, THEY WON'T GET PARKING SPACES. 
          LIKE, I'M JUST SCARED THAT THERE'S SOME SIDE EFFECT HERE. 
          BY US SCALING IT THAT WAY, WHERE YOU'RE GONNA SEE DIFFERENT BEHAVIOR IN THE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE, WE, WE, WE LIMITED, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING WITH, WITH, WITH ONLY BEING WITH UNITS BIGGER THAN, THAN THAN STUDIOS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'LL HAVE MAYBE A DIFFERENT BEHAVIOR AND WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THESE STUDIOS IN THESE SMALLER PLACES. 
          SO MAYBE INSTEAD OF DOING IT ON A SCALE IS A ONE PER ONE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, UP TO ONE PARKING SPACE PER UNIT. 
          AND THEN, AND AGAIN, SO IF YOU HAVE A THREE BEDROOM PLACE, WHILE IF THE STUDIO'S NOT USING IT, THEY CAN RENT OFF AND, YOU KNOW, THE EXTRA SPACE THAT'S NOT BEING USED. 
          BUT I THINK WE SHOULD GO INTO A SCALE THEN YOU'RE SORT OF PRO, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT BE HAVING SOME SIDE EFFECTS THERE THAT ARE NOT FAVORABLE. 
          SO. 
          WELL, I GUESS I THINK YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL. 
          I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT WHEN THE CITY IS GOING TO LOOK AT, LET'S SAY A PROJECT LIKE THIS, SO HOW WILL THEY KIND OF ADEQUATELY SIZE THE PARKING IF WE SAY IT'S ONE TO ONE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE RIGHT? THEN, THEN WHAT ADDITIONAL PARKING WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL USE? RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, CURRENTLY THE, WE WOULD, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS CURRENTLY DRAFTED, WE WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR THE ADDITIONAL PARKING. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF WE REVERT TO PARKING DISTRICT ONE, UM, WHERE MOST OF THE AREA I BELIEVE IS IN ONE, THERE'S, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF PARKING DISTRICT, UM, TWO AS WELL. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE PER SQUARE FOOT, RIGHT? ONE SPACE PER EVERY 300 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          AND THEN THE OFFICE WOULD BE ONE SPACE PER PER HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OFFICE. 
          SO THEN AS SOMEWHAT OF A MIDDLE GROUND, WHAT IF WE WERE TO SAY THAT IT'S, WE HAVE TO THINK THROUGH WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE, BUT IF IT'S A ONE-TO-ONE KIND OF PARKING TO, TO UNIT, YOU KNOW, RATIO AND NO ADDITIONAL PARKING SHALL BE PROVIDED FOR THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL, WHICH ESSENTIALLY WOULD, WOULD MANDATE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH A FLEX PARKING SITUATION. 
          HMM. 
          MEANING WE'VE DONE PROJECTS WHERE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS PARK IN THE EVENING HOURS, COMMERCIAL TENANTS ARE PARKING IN THE MORNING HOURS, IF I MAY, AND MR. THERE MAY BE SOME OF THAT, BUT WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THAT WON'T WORK FOR THE KIND OF TENANTS WHO WILL BE LOCAL SERVING TENANTS THAT THEY WANT TO BRING IN. 
          I THINK THE SIMPLE SOLUTION, OH, MEANING PARKING CAN BE PROVIDED TO THEM. 
          THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT'S GONNA BE ALLOCATED TO THEM. 
          SO THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, IN OFFICE TENANT WOULD GO IN AND, AND USE THAT PARKING, BUT THAT NIGHT THEY LEAVE, THEY, THEY'VE WORKED OUT THOSE NUMBERS. 
          THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME IN ADDITION TO THAT FOR THE COMMERCIAL JUST TO BE ABLE TO GET REALLY SIGN THE COMMERCIAL LEASES THEMSELVES. 
          I THOUGHT THAT, THAT, I THOUGHT MR. BURKE'S SOLUTION WAS, YOU KNOW, THE 80% OF TIER ONE WITH THE PLANNING BOARD TO DECIDE BASED ON CRITERIA ESTABLISHED AS TO HOW MUCH OF A WAIVER UP TO 80% IS ALLOWED. 
          THAT GIVES YOU THE FLEXIBILITY AND THE CONTROL WITHOUT BEING TOO PRESCRIPTIVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          AGAIN, WE'VE GOTTA REMEMBER THAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE, ARE LOOKING TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF USE FOR RETAIL IN AND, AND UNITS. 
          SPACES. 
          NO, I, I GET, TRUST ME, I'M, I'M USUALLY IN, IN THAT SEAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I TOTALLY GET IT. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE PROJECTS WHERE PARKING IS AN ISSUE, BUT I ALSO, I'M, I'M TRYING TO NOT PUT MYSELF AS SOMEONE ON THE CITY SIDE SAYING, HEY, WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF DIRECT THE CITY TOWARDS A CERTAIN PATH. 
          SO WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT? SO, SO HERE'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. 
          WHAT ABOUT OFFICE IS ONE PER 400 TO 800 SQUARE FEET AND RETAIL ONE PER 300 TO A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. 
          IT DOESN'T, THE TIER ONE, LIKE THE TIERS ALREADY HAVE THOSE DETERMINATED CURRENTLY RETAIL PARKING, UM, IS GOING TO BE ONE SPACE PER EVERY 300 SQUARE FEET. 
          OFFICE PARKING IS ONE SPACE PER EVERY 400 SQUARE FEET. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S THE CURRENT PARKING REQUIREMENT THAT NOT FOR EVERY PARKING DISTRICT, BECAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERENT INCENTIVES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN DIFFERENT PARKING DISTRICTS. 
          UM, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, ON LINCOLN ROAD, A A RETAIL DOES NOT HAVE A PARKING REQUIREMENT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN A NEED FOR SIGNIFICANT PARKING FOR RETAIL ON LINCOLN ROAD. 
          IT'S EXTREMELY WALKABLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          PROBABLY THE MOST WALKABLE RETAIL STREET IN OUR CITY FOR CERTAIN. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THOSE PARKING GARAGES. 
          PARKING GARAGES. 
          EXACTLY. 
          YOU KNOW, IAN SURFACE LOTS TO BE QUITE FRANK, BUT ALSO A LOT OF PARKING, SURFACE PARKING LOTS. 
          BUT I GUESS THE 
          [02:05:01]
QUE MY, MY POINT IS THAT DOESN'T, THEIR PROPOSAL, WHICH IS UP TO 80% OF THE TIER ONE REQUIRED PARKING, THAT'S WHAT THEY CAN REQUEST THE WAIVER OF THAT, THOSE TIERS ALREADY GIVE THEM THE NUMBER OF, WE KNOW FROM THAT, THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE. 
          SO DOESN'T THAT ADDRESS EVERYBODY'S CONCERN INSTEAD OF RIGHT NOW? YEAH. 
          IF, IF, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING BOARD WANTS THAT RESPONSIBILITY AND, AND AGAIN, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT WE DEVELOP SOME OBJECTIVE CRITERIA FOR YOU TO REVIEW. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, TO A MILE WAS YOUR SUGGESTION FOR 80%. 
          80% SAY SEEMS A LITTLE HIGH TO ME, TO BE PERFECTLY FRANK. 
          UM, WHEN WE'RE TAKING ALL THE USES, UM, OF A PROPERTY INTO CONSIDERATION, 80% SEEMS SO YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY WE'RE REALLY PROMOTING THIS MIXED USE RIGHT. 
          LIVE WORK PLAY IN THE SAME BLOCK. 
          UM, 80% DOES SEEM SOMEWHAT EXCESSIVE. 
          80% IS THE CAP MM-HMM . 
          UH, AND YOU CAN FIND A NUMBER BELOW THAT. 
          I THINK AS MR. FRIEDEN IS SAYING THAT THERE IS A STANDARD SET IN, IN TIER ONE IF, UH, BUT, UH, MS. TACKETT IS SAYING IF WE WANT TO DEVELOP RECOMMENDED DEVELOPING ADDITIONAL CRITERIA FOR GUIDING THE DECISIONS ON HOW MUCH OF A WAIVER ARE GRANTED, THAT'S CERTAINLY FINE AND WE WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. 
          ARE, ARE WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THAT CRITERIA SITTING HERE TODAY, BUT SUBJECT TO CRITERIA DEVELOPED BY THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU COULD GET A WAIVER OF UP TO 80% OF THE TIER ONE PARKING, AND THEN JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S, I GUESS COULD PASS COMMISSION COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, IS THAT GENERALLY IN LINE WITH THE VISION THAT, THAT YOU WANNA PUSH FORTH? YEAH, I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT COMMERCIAL SHOULD BE SEPARATE FROM RESIDENTIAL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          HAVE YOU SEEN TOO MANY, HAVE YOU SEEN ANY MIXED USE PROJECTS THAT HAVE THE COMMERCIAL ABOVE THE RETAIL AND THEN THE HOMES ABOVE THE OFFICE OR IN NEW YORK CITY? NOT, I'M, THAT'S NOT, IM TALKING ABOUT LIKE, LIKE NO, LIKE IN ATLANTA THERE'S A, THERE'S A NUMBER OF OPEN AIR CENTERS THAT HAVE, UM, THAT IS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO LINCOLN ROAD, WHERE YOU'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF THINGS. 
          YOU'VE EVEN GOT A HOTEL IN THE BACK, YOU'VE GOT EVEN YOU CAN GO TO HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THAT CENTER'S, NOT THAT I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          THAT'S NOT EXACTLY, BUT, BUT YOU, IT'S, IT, YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAKE THAT WORK. 
          THERE'LL BE A SHARED PARKING FACTOR, BUT YOU, THE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT SPECIFIC PROJECTS AND SAY THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE FACTOR TO APPLY. 
          SURE. 
          BUT THEN IT BECOMES, I DON'T WANNA SAY SPOT ZONING. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT PROJECT BY PROJECT INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SET A GENERAL PRECEDENT THAT WELL YOU DO, YOU HAVE AN UPSIDE AT 80% YOU HAVE, UH, THAT, UH, AT, AT MOST YOU HAVE THE WAIVER. 
          IT'S NOT DIFFERENT THAN MANY OTHER THINGS IN WHICH THERE'S DISCRETION GIVEN TO THE BOARDS TO JUDGE BASED ON THE SPECIFICS OF A PROJECT, MR. CHAIR. 
          IF THE, IF THE BOARD IS INTERESTED IN, UM, PROVIDING FOR A WAIVER PROCESS, YOU DON'T NEED TO DEVELOP THAT CRITERIA TODAY. 
          OR EVEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF THE, OF, OF THE, THE CAP ON THE WAIVER TODAY. 
          UM, YOU COULD INCLUDE IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF DEVELOPED FOR WHEN THE ORDINANCE IS PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING. 
          UM, I'M JUST SENSING, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR THE BOARD, I THINK, TO MAKE SOME OF THESE DECISIONS ON WHETHER IT'S ONE OR A HALF SPACE OR ZERO SPACES FOR, FOR WHICH TYPE OR SIZE OF OF UNIT. 
          UM, YOU, YOU DON'T NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WITH PARTICULARITY SET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL IN THIS, I'LL, I'LL ACCEPT THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          A A WAIVER SHALL BE INCLUDED FOR THE COMMISSION TO DETERMINE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF PARKING CAN BE INCLUDED. 
          UM, MORE TO, BUT WHAT NICK WAS SAYING IS, A, THE STAFF SHALL COME, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO AND DISCUSS AND COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL FOR WAIVER CRITERIA, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. 
          ABOVE THE 20%. 
          YES. 
          AND ALSO THAT, THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING, WE DON'T BE PROVIDED BY THESE PROJECTS. 
          I THINK THAT'S ALSO IMPORTANT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT DOESN'T, MAYBE IT'S NOT 80. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT CAN'T BE 20, BUT PARKING INSTEAD OF NOT BEING ALLOWED YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, I GUESS SHALL BE INCLUDED TO SOME DEGREE. 
          AND THEN THE COMMISSION, WE NEED MORE ANALYSIS STAFF. 
          WE'LL WORK THAT OUT. 
          UM, THAT'S WHERE I'LL STOP. 
          I DON'T WANT TO INCLUDE ANYTHING ABOUT THE, UH, AND NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, BUT IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO THINK ABOUT THAT, THEN I'M OPEN TO IT. 
          WELL, YOU MADE A MOTION, SO, OKAY. 
          ARE, ARE YOU ADDRESSING ANYTHING WITH THE UNIT SIZES OR NOT? OH, SORRY. 
          SO NOW ON, THANK YOU. 
          ON THE MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE, I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING INCLUDED IN THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WILL BE, BUT 
          [02:10:01]
THAT'S AGAINST SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION CAN TALK THROUGH AS TO WHAT MAKES SENSE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          2000 SQUARE FEET'S GOOD. 
          I DON'T, WELL, HOW, HOW ABOUT COMING BACK, HOW ABOUT REQUIRING PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL FOR THE, ANY, ANY APPLICANT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THESE INCENTIVES REQUIRES PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL, NICK? WELL, WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, TO, TO HAVE A MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE, JUST A FLAT NUMBER THAT APPLIES TO ALL RESIDENTIAL UNITS IGNORES THE DIVERSITY OF UNITS THAT A PROJECT MAY HAVE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          SO YOU MAY WANNA RECOMMEND, AND I THINK ON THIS, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT NEEDS TO BE, THE CODE NEEDS TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT, I DON'T THINK YOU WANT EACH PROJECT HAVING, YOU KNOW, UH, DIFFERENT MAXIMUM UNIT SIZES. 
          I THINK YOU COULD, UH, ASK STAFF TO, TO RECOMMEND A MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE, WHETHER IT'S A STUDIO, ONE BEDROOM, A TWO BEDROOM, OR LARGER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WHAT WE COULD DO IS WE COULD, WE COULD ALSO LOOK AT, UM, FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY, NOT HAVING A MAXIMUM UNIT SIZE, BUT HAVING A MINIMUM AVERAGE UNIT SIZE THAT WOULD THEN ALLOW FOR THE LARGER UNITS. 
          BUT THEN THE OVERALL NUMBER OF UNITS WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD HAVE SOME SMALLER UNITS, RIGHT? IF YOU HAD A 3000, 4,000 SQUARE FOOT UNIT AND YOU HAD A A, A REQUIRED AVERAGE UNIT SIZE AT SAY 800 SQUARE FEET OR 700 SQUARE FEET, THAT MEANS YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, A GOOD AMOUNT OF STUDIO UNITS, FOR EXAMPLE, TO OFFSET LARGER UNIT. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT MIGHT, THE AVERAGE UNIT SIZE INSTEAD OF A CAP ON THE UNIT SIZE MAY ALLOW FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY. 
          I JUST, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT DAVE, JUST CURIOUS HOW, HOW THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, SITS WITH, UM, I THINK THAT SET, I THINK YOU WANT TO HAVE A, A HEALTHY MIX OF, OF DIFFERENT UNITS. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU WANNA BE ALL STUDIOS. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU WANNA BE ALL THREE BEDROOMS. UH, I THINK THAT IT'S HARD TO DETERMINE WHAT THE SIZE OF A THREE BEDROOM USE OR TWO BEDROOM USE WILL BE NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. 
          BUT I THINK IF YOU, IF YOU PICK AN AVERAGE UNIT SIZE, YOU KNOW, MOST UNIT SIZES HISTORICALLY HAVE BEEN AROUND 900 SQUARE FEET. 
          THEY'VE GOTTEN SMALLER OVER TIME. 
          UM, WE'RE PROPOSING ROUGHLY EIGHT 50. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THAT DEBBIE'S REFERRING TO KIND OF THE RANGE, IT HAS TO BE LAR SHOULD BE PROBABLY AVERAGE UNIT SIZE. 
          IT'S HARD TO SAY. 
          'CAUSE YOU MAY, DO YOU WANNA SAY LARGER OR SMALLER? THE AVERAGE UNIT SIZE, UM, YOU, YOU'D BE DICTATING SOMEONE'S BUILDING. 
          IF YOU SAY THE AVERAGE UNIT SIZE HAS TO BE THIS NUMBER, BUT YOU CAN'T GO SMALLER AND YOU CAN'T GO BIGGER RIGHT. 
          IN YOUR, IN YOUR PROPOSAL. 
          AND THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. 
          SO IF YOU SAID THE AVERAGE UNIT SIZE IS SEVEN 50 SQUARE FEET, NOW SOMEONE'S GOTTA SOLVE TO, YOU KNOW, TO THAT ACROSS THE BUILDING. 
          WHICH AGAIN, FOR A BIG BUILDING THAT'D BE EASY FOR A SMALL BUILDING THAT'D BE VERY CHALLENGING. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THE IDEA WOULD BE FOR OUR MAXIMUM AVERAGE UNIT SIZE. 
          SO WE DO, YEAH. 
          SO THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          800 OR OR 8 8 50. 
          YEAH. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER, SORRY, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS, BUT THERE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T, DON'T GET THESE LUXURY BUILDINGS IN TOO BIG OF UNITS? YEAH, I THINK 800 SQUARE FEET'S A LITTLE SMALL. 
          I WOULD SAY. 
          I, I, UM, I WOULD SAY MY PERSONAL OPINION, IF YOU SAID 909 58, YOU'RE MUCH SAFER. 
          UM, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GETTING INTO BIG LUXURY UNITS THERE. 
          A ONE BEDROOM COULD EASILY BE 850 SQUARE FEET. 
          I AGREE. 
          UM, AND I, AND I DO WANNA COMMENT THAT I THINK, UH, ONE, UH, OF THE PROPOSALS THAT THAT'S AT E HEAL CLEARLY IS NOT IN FAVOR OF, BUT WE WANNA TOUCH ON IS THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT. 
          IF YOU'RE GONNA, UH, RECOMMEND SOMETHING, I THINK IT'S REALLY CRITICAL TO ACTUALLY ACHIEVING, UM, ATTAINABLE RENTS HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE JUST DON'T WANNA GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE'VE GOT THE MICRO UNITS, AGAIN, THOSE REALLY SMALL UNITS, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A BALANCE RIGHT FOR EVERYONE AND IT'S JUST, ALRIGHT. 
          NO, SEE, FINISH YOUR MOTION PLEASE. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          THE ONLY OTHER LAST THING I WOULD SAY AS SOMEWHAT OF A COMPROMISE IS THAT IN THE EVENT, UM, THAT NON-RESIDENTIAL USES WERE TO BE INCLUDED ON, LET'S CALL IT THE FLOORS ABOVE PARKING OR, OR ABOVE THE FIRST FLOOR, THEN APPLICANT, UH, SHALL AGREE THAT THE PROJECT WOULD BE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WORKFORCE HOUSING RENTS. 
          AND I GUESS THAT COULD BE A COMPROMISE IN MY MIND WHERE YOU SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE RENTAL. 
          YOU SHOULD JUST SAY, SHOULD BE RENTAL THEN IT WON'T BE A CONDO BUILDING. 
          FINE. 
          I MEAN, THE BOARD CAN MAKE THAT DECISION, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YOU'RE THE INDEPENDENT PLANNING BOARD, SO IF YOU WANNA RECOMMEND COME AGAIN. 
          I MEAN YOU CAN YES. 
          THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO FINE AS LONG AS IT REMAINS A RENTAL IN PERPETUITY. 
          UM, THAT'S ULTIMATELY MY NUMBER ONE GOAL. 
          THAT IT, THAT'S IT FOR ME. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THAT'S A MOTION. 
          I NEED A SECOND. 
          WAIT, I, THERE WERE THINGS THAT I HAD BROUGHT UP, UM, ONE BEING THE, UM, WELL IT'S HIS MOTION, SO HE'S GOTTA AGREE WITH WELL, LET ME ASK NO, HE'S GOTTA AGREE WITH YOU. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          YEAH. 
          THEN I'M GONNA OFFER A COUPLE OF FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS. 
          UM, ONE, UM, ANY EXISTING SHORT TERM 
          [02:15:01]
RENTALS IN THESE AREAS WOULD BECOME LEGAL NON-CONFORMING. 
          SO IF THEY WERE TO GO AWAY, THEY CAN'T COME BACK. 
          UM, SECOND THING WAS IN, UH, AREA THREE TALKED ABOUT THESE, THE SETBACKS ON LINCOLN LANE SOUTH, WHICH I THINK SHOULD BE, UM, UH, ABOVE 35 FEET, THAT'S WHERE THE SETBACK SHOULD, SHOULD BEGIN THE 20 FOOT SETBACK, UM, JUST IN THAT ONE AREA. 
          AND, UM, I DO THINK I, I DON'T KNOW, WE SHOULD, FOR AREAS ONE A AND ONE B, WE SHOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE COMMISSION INCORPORATE SOME KIND OF SETBACKS ON THOSE PROPERTIES IN THOSE AREAS. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THERE SHOULD BE, UH, SO QUESTION FOR YOU IN TERMS OF LEGAL NON-CONFORMING. 
          SO I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT IF A, IF A PROJECT WERE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE INCENTIVES, THEN SHOULDN'T THE LANGUAGE BE THAT THEY CAN NO LONGER OFFER SHORT TERM? WELL, THAT'S IN THERE NOW THAT'S IN ONE AREA IN, IN AREA ONE B, THERE'S AN EXISTING UM MM-HMM . 
          HOTEL USE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT AS LONG AS THAT'S THERE AND IS IS IS, YOU KNOW, HAS ALL THEIR LICENSES AND, AND ETRS, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO TO TO, UH, BUT IF THEY LEAVE, BUT IF THEY LEAVE AND IT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ACCEPTING ON, UH, ON ITEM ONE IN TERMS OF THE SETBACKS, I MEAN, THE LANGUAGE I WOULD USE IS THAT THE COMMISSION CAN LOOK INTO THE SETBACKS, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT WHAT THESE SPECIFIC PROJECTS ARE GONNA BE. 
          WHERE IF YOU START TO MANDATE, YOU KNOW, MORE NARROW OR, OR I GUESS WIDER SETBACKS THAT MIGHT START TO REALLY IMPACT THESE PROJECTS. 
          SO WELL, WE COULD SAY THAT, THAT WE SH I, WE FEEL THE COMMISSION SHOULD INCORPORATE IT. 
          UM, HOW SHOULD WE PHRASE THIS? SAY IT'S NOT A GREATER SETBACK, BUT IT'S A, THE SETBACK. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PHRASE THIS. 
          UH, GUESS I WOULD SAY THE RECONSIDER THE SETBACK TO, TO MAKE THE, ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT THERE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE, WITH THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH. 
          SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IN TERMS OF THE, THE SCALE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. 
          ESPECIALLY ONCE YOU'RE STARTING TO, WELL KEEP IN MIND, CONSIDER FAR INCREASES. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS JUST ONE, THIS IS JUST IN AREA THREE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF AREA THREE, UM, THAT FRONTS THE FLAMINGO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS MAINLY TWO AND THREE STORY BUILDINGS. 
          AND I'M SAYING THAT, UM, THE SETBACK INSTEAD OF A, YOU KNOW, THE, WHERE YOU CAN BUILD THE FIRST 50 FEET AND THEN SET BACK THIS, UH, ABOVE THAT SET BACK 20 FEET ABOVE THAT, I'M SAYING YOU BUILD UP TO 35 FEET, WHICH IS COMPARABLE TO EXISTING BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND THEN AFTER 35 FEET, THEN YOU SET BACK, UH, THE REMAINDER OF THE BUILDING'S HEIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING THERE. 
          I MEAN, ULTIMATELY IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION, SO YEAH. 
          I MEAN WE CAN INCLUDE IT AS, AS A YEAH, THEY CAN. 
          AND THEN IF THEY DON'T SEE, UH, DONE INCLUDED. 
          AND THE LAST THING WAS JUST IN, AGAIN, I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO NUMBERS HERE, BUT INCORPORATE SOME KIND OF SETBACKS IN AREAS ONE A AND ONE B WITH NO HPB WAIVER IN EITHER ONE. 
          UM, AGAIN, NOT INCLINED TO DISCUSS THE SETBACKS THERE. 
          NO, I'M JUST SAYING INCORPORATE SOME NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND COMMISSION. 
          YEAH, I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS SHOULD BE NOW, BUT I THINK ALSO IF THERE'S ANY PARKING, UM, THAT'S OFFERED TO THE PUBLIC THAT IT SHOULD MATCH CITY PARKING RATES IF POSSIBLE. 
          I MEAN, RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT 1111, THAT'S 20 BUCKS AN HOUR. 
          I, I MEAN THAT'S JUST NOT DOABLE FOR MOST PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO COME AND LIVE HERE AND, YOU KNOW, AND IF THEY DO HAVE A CAR, LOVE THAT ONE MATCH CITY PARKING RATES INCORPORATED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MAYBE ENCOURAGE, I I THINK ON THAT ONE WE CAN SAY ENCOURAGE BECAUSE WE CAN'T SET PRICES FOR PRIVACY. 
          I'M JUST SAYING IF POSSIBLE WE'RE POSSIBLE IT'S ENCOURAGED AND I WOULD ASK FOR, I WOULD ASK FOR A WHERE POSSIBLE ON THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AMENDMENT TOO. 
          THE, THIS DISTRICT ALLOWS SHORT-TERM RENTALS. 
          THAT PROJECT WAS LICENSED. 
          UM, AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DEEM IT LEGAL NONCONFORMING. 
          WE'LL LOOK AT THAT. 
          WE'LL, DIDN'T YOU SAY YOU WERE FOREGOING THE S STR NO, NO. 
          THE, THE, THE PRIVATE APPLICANT IS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF 17TH AND ALTON, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A, THAT THAT BUILDING IS LICENSED FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN DEEM THEM LEGAL NON-CONFORMING UNDER, UNDER STATE LAW. 
          WE'RE PREEMPTED FOR REGULATING SHORT-TERM RENTALS. 
          SO I JUST ON THAT ONE, WE, WE MIGHT THAT WELL IF, IF, IF IT'S ILLEGAL, THEN OBVIOUSLY NOT, BUT THE RIGHT, THE, TO THE EXTENT IT'S LEGAL, I GUESS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? YOU'RE FINISHED. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          CAN I GET A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          [02:20:02]
YES, I AM CLEAR. 
          UM, MR. NEEDLEMAN? YES. 
          MR. MARKS? YES. 
          MS. LATTON? YES. 
          MR. FRIEDEN? YES. 
          MR. CEMENT? YES. 
          MS. BEATIE? YES. 
          MR. ELIAS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WORLD PEACE IS NEXT. 
          . 
          GOOD LUCK COMMISSION. 
          IF I COULD ALL 
          [6. PB25-0811, 1685 COLLINS AVENUE – DELANO HOTEL.]
NEW APPLICATIONS PLANNING BOARD FILE PB 25 0 8 1 1, THE DELANO HOTEL, AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENT WITH AN OCCUPANT CONTENT EXCEEDING 299 PERSONS INCLUDING INDOOR AND OUTDOOR OPEN AIR ENTERTAINMENT. 
          SO IN 2022, THE DELANO HOTEL RECEIVED HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD APPROVAL FOR THE RENOVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING. 
          CONSTRUCTION IS NEARING COMPLETION AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CUP TO O OPERATE AND AGGREGATE USES WITHIN THE HOTEL AS AN NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENT. 
          UM, THE REQUEST ENCOMPASSES THREE VENUES, THE ROSE BAR IN THE LOBBY, GIGI RTO AT THE GROUND LEVEL, AND MIMI KAKI AT THE FOURTH LEVEL. 
          UM, THE FIRST VENUE IS THE ROSE BAR, WHICH IS PROPOSED TO OPERATE FROM 5:00 PM TO 2:00 AM AND INCLUDES 32 SEATS IN INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT. 
          THE SECOND VENUE IS GIGI RETO RESTAURANT, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE GROUND LEVEL OF THE HOTEL AND ENCOMPASSES FOUR COMPONENTS. 
          A SIGNATURE RESTAURANT, OUTDOOR DINING, TERRACE, POOL DECK SERVICE, AND AN OUTDOOR BAR. 
          THE SIGNATURE RESTAURANT AND OUTDOOR DINING TERRACE CONSISTS OF A TOTAL OF 251 SEATS WITH INDOOR AND OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT. 
          THE POOL DECK IS PROPOSED TO OPERATE DAILY FROM 10:00 AM TO SUNSET AND INCLUDES OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT. 
          THE OUTDOOR BAR IS LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE BEACH WALK AND IS PROPOSED TO OPERATE FROM 7:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT, 55 SEATS IN OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT. 
          THE LAST VENUE IS MIMI KISUKI, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE FOURTH LEVEL, HAS 162 SEATS WITH INDOOR AND OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT. 
          THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY FROM 7:00 AM TO 11:00 PM AND FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, 7:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT. 
          UM, THEY'RE ALSO ASKING FOR EXTENDED HOURS OF OPERATION FOR HOLIDAYS, HIGH IMPACT EVENTS IN PRIVATE HOTEL FUNCTIONS. 
          DURING THESE INSTANCES, THE APPLICANT WISHES TO OPERATE SEVERAL OF THE VENUES PAST MIDNIGHT UNTIL 2:00 AM DURING THE EXTENDED TIMES ONLY AMBIENT LEVEL OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT IS PROPOSED. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A SOUND STUDY AS THE PROJECT INCLUDES INDOOR AND OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT. 
          THE CITY'S PEER REVIEW REVIEWED THE STUDY AND EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT THE STUDY DID NOT ANALYZE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF SOUND ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          THE APPLICANT'S SOUND EXPERT IN THE CITY'S PEER REVIEWER MET TO DISCUSS A PROJECT AND AGREED UPON A CONDITION TO REQUIRE POST INSTALLATION ACOUSTIC TESTING DUE TO A NUMBER OF VARIABLES, THIS TESTING WOULD BE ON THE DELANO SITE WITHIN THE GUESTROOMS AT THE NATIONAL HOTEL CABANA BUILDING AND WITHIN THE SLS HOTEL PROPERTY TO ENSURE THAT OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT COMPONENT WILL NOT HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. 
          UM, REGARDING THE GENERAL OPERATIONS OF THE HOTEL, THE EXISTING BUILDING DOES NOT HAVE ANY PARKING OR LOADING SPACES ON SITE. 
          THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE VALET SERVICE FROM BOTH COLLINS AVENUE AND 17TH STREET AND HAS ANTICIPATED THAT THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT PATRON ARRIVAL BY RIDE SHARE. 
          ADDITIONALLY, ALL LOADING AND TRASH COLLECTION ACTIVITIES WILL TAKE PLACE FROM A DESIGNATED AREA ALONG 17TH STREET TO THE SERVICE ENTRANCE AT THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND HAS INCLUDED SEVERAL RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AND THE DRAFTS THAT UP P FINALLY, THE HOTEL WILL HAVE 24 HOUR SECURITY ON SITE, INCLUDING A FULL COMPLIMENT OF SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS. 
          TO SUMMARIZE, THE PROJECT INCLUDES A TOTAL OF 729 SEATS AND AN OVERALL OCCUPANCY OF 1,124 PERSONS, INCLUDING BOTH POOL DECKS. 
          THE STANDARD HOURS OF OPERATION UNTIL MIDNIGHT EXCEPT THE LOBBY BAR ARE NOT EXCESSIVE, ESPECIALLY WHEN CONSIDERING THERE ARE NO IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT RESIDENCES. 
          THE PROPOSED EXTENDED HOURS OF OPERATION FROM MIDNIGHT UNTIL 2:00 AM FOR HOLIDAYS, HIGH IMPACT EVENTS AND PRIVATE HOTEL FUNCTIONS INCLUDES ONLY AMBIENT LEVEL ENTERTAINMENT OUTDOORS. 
          WITH THAT STUFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND LOOKS FORWARD TO THE REOPENING OF THIS HISTORIC HOTEL. 
          UM, THANKS JAKE. 
          ALSO, IF I COULD POINT OUT, UH, THE CITY DID HA HAVE A PEER REVIEW OF THE SOUND STUDY THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND OUR PEER REVIEWER, UM, JESSE FROM  IS AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS VIA, UH, ZOOM. 
          HE'S AVAILABLE. 
          LISA, UH, GOOD MORNING AGAIN, MR. CHAIR, UH, NISSEN KADEN, IAN PACHEKO AND MARISSA AMAL OF AKERMAN REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. 
          IF YOU COULD PLEASE, UH, BRING UP OUR PRESENTATION. 
          UH, I'M VERY PROUD TO BE ABLE TO BRING TO YOU THIS RE RENEWAL AND REVIVAL OF ONE OF MIAMI BEACH'S MOST ICONIC PROPERTIES, THE DELANO HOTEL. 
          [02:25:01]
WITH ME TODAY IS THE OWNERSHIP GROUP REPRESENTED BY CHRISSY CINO AND LUCY REEF, THE OPERATOR, DELANO HOTELS WITH INE MIHAEL AND CHRISTIANO BONO. 
          UH, JENNIFER, UH, ANI OF M AND G ARCHITECTURE OR ARCHITECT LANGAN ENGINEERS, JOE GOLDBERG, OUR, UH, TRAFFIC EXPERT. 
          AND, UH, SAM SCHROER, OUR SOUND EXPERT. 
          FIRST I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KANE. 
          IN CASE YOU'RE NOT AWARE THE PROPERTY, I THINK WE KNOW WHERE THE PROPERTY IS. 
          EVERYONE'S BEEN AT THE DELANO KANE INTERNATIONAL, WHICH IS AN AFFILIATE OF ELDRIDGE INDUSTRIES, A GLOBAL, UH, CORPORATION, HAS HUGE INVESTMENTS IN THIS AREA AND BEYOND THE HIGHEST QUALITY PRODUCTS. 
          SOME OF KANE'S PRODUCTS, UH, PORTFOLIO INCLUDE THE RAFFLES HOTEL IN BOSTON, UH, EIGHT 30 BRICKLE, WHICH IS TODAY, AND THE SIA CLUB ON TOP OF EIGHT 30. 
          BRICKLE, OF COURSE, WHICH IS TODAY THE PREMIER OFFICE BUILDING IN MIAMI. 
          THEY'RE ALSO, UH, HAVE OWNERSHIP IN THE AMMAN HOTEL'S BRAND AND ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING AS WELL THE AMMAN HOTEL AND RESIDENCES IN BEVERLY HILLS, WHICH IS THE FINEST HOTEL AND RESIDENTIAL PROJECT EVERETT PETE DEVELOPED IN THAT COMMUNITY. 
          THE DELANO, OF COURSE, IS A STORIED PROPERTY. 
          IT WAS BUILT IN THE LATE 1940S. 
          THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECT WAS BOB SCHWARTZBERG. 
          SO HAPPENS THAT BOB AND LILLIAN SCHWARTZBERG WERE MY NEIGHBORS WHEN I WAS A KID GROWING UP ON FLAMINGO DRIVE. 
          UH, AND, UH, IT'S CONSIDERED ONE OF THE FINEST EXAMPLES OF POST-WAR MIAMI MODERN ARCHITECTURE. 
          UH, AS YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY WAS REINVENTED IN 1995 BY IAN SCHRAGER WHEN HE RENOVATED AND PURCHASED THE DELANO HOTEL. 
          AND IT BECAME THE ICONIC BRAND GLOBALLY THAT IT IS TODAY. 
          THAT IS NOW THE BRAND THAT KAIN OWNS. 
          UH, THE UH, KEY PART OF THE KEY TO THE SUCCESS OF THE DELANO HOTEL IN THE NINETIES WAS, OF COURSE ITS FOOD AND ENTERTAINMENT AND BAR VENUES. 
          THERE WAS PEOPLE REMEMBER THE BLUE DOOR RESTAURANT, THE FLORIDA ROOM, THE ROSE BAR. 
          THERE WAS A CLUB UNDERGROUND UNDER, UH, AND BELOW LEVELS AS WELL. 
          THAT WAS PART OF WHAT THE SCENE WAS THAT MADE THE HOTEL SO SUCCESSFUL. 
          AND SO WHAT WE ARE DOING TODAY HERE IS WE RECREATING THE DELANO, BUT EVEN STEPPING UP THE LEVEL OF INVESTMENT. 
          THIS IS A STAGGERING INVESTMENT IN THIS PROPERTY. 
          IF YOU SEE, UH, IT HAS BEEN REDONE THROUGHOUT, INCLUDING ALL SYSTEMS, MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, UH, AN INVESTMENT THAT THIS HOTEL HAS NOT SEEN SINCE WHEN IT WAS FIRST BUILT. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING TO LAST FOR GENERATIONS AND MAINTAIN ONE OF THE MOST ICONIC HISTORIC PROPERTIES IN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH. 
          I'M GONNA TAKE YOU THROUGH SOME IMAGES OF THE HOTEL AND YOU SHOULD ALSO NOTE ALL APPROVED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. 
          AND IT IS NOW POISED TO OPEN WITH ITS FIRST GUESTS ON APRIL 27TH. 
          OF COURSE, PROVIDING WE CAN GET THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          UH, THESE ARE IMAGES OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE RESTORED TO ITS ORIGINAL GRANDER. 
          THE LOBBY, THE GUEST ROOMS, WHICH ARE ALL BEING REDONE, REDUCED FROM OVER 200 GUEST ROOMS TO 171 GUEST ROOMS, A POOL AND BEACH CLUB AS WELL, KEEPING THE ORIGINAL ICONIC POOL FROM THE DELANO, BUT REDOING THE ENTIRETY OF THE OUTSIDE, A WELLNESS COMPONENT AS WELL. 
          UH, SPA. 
          AND, AND, AND OF COURSE THERE ARE THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE, UH, VENUES, WHICH ARE ICONIC. 
          THEY ROSE BAR IS BEING RECREATED IN THE LOBBY. 
          UH, AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE, UH, GIGI'S, WHICH IS THE MAIN RESTAURANT, WHICH IS ALSO GOING TO BE, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT IN A MINUTE. 
          IN THE, UH, UH, THE, UH, THE GIGI, UH, THE, THE GIGI RIGOLETTO, THAT'S THE HEART OF THE HOTEL AND IT'S GONNA BE THE FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT, UH, BOTH IN THE HOTEL ITSELF, IN THE OUTSIDE TERRACE AS WELL, AND FOR SERVICE IN THE POOL AREA AND THE OCEAN FRONT BAR, WHICH WILL BE ALL UNDER THE GG CONCEPT. 
          AND THEN, UH, THAT IS THE POOL DECK. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE FOURTH FLOOR, THERE IS, UH, UH, UH, MIMI, WHICH IS THE JAPANESE THEMED FROM THE, UH, EARLY DECO ERA RESTAURANT AND CLUB FOR MEMBERS AND HOTEL GUESTS ONLY. 
          THESE ARE THE VENUES THAT WILL BE CREATED. 
          ONE THING I WOULD SAY THOUGH IS IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE HOTEL, AND I'M GONNA HAVE IAN PASS THIS OUT, IF YOU HAVE NOT VISITED THE PROPERTY, THE PICTURES THAT I'VE JUST SHOWN YOU DO NOT DO JUSTICE 
          [02:30:01]
TO THE QUALITY AND THE BEAUTY OF THE RESTORATION OF THIS PROJECT. 
          AND YES, I KNOW AT LEAST ONE OF YOU HAVE SEEN IT, I'D INVITE YOU ALL TO SEE IT. 
          OKAY, WHEN CAN WE, THAT THIS, WHAT, WHEN CAN WE DO THAT? THIS IS TRULY, TRULY SPECTACULAR AND WILL BRING THE DELANO BACK AND ACTUALLY ELEVATE IT TO A LEVEL THAT IT HAS NEVER BEEN. 
          AND THIS IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT FOR THIS PART OF COLLINS AVENUE, WHICH OF COURSE HAS BEEN THE CITY IS ANXIOUS TO SEE THESE HOTELS REOPEN. 
          I'D LIKE TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS THERE'S, UH, UH, SOMETHING IN OPPOSITION YOU'VE RECEIVED, UH, FROM A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, THE RITZ CARLTON. 
          UH, AND I WANNA BRIEFLY ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. 
          UH, THE EARLY IN FEBRUARY, WE TOURED THE OWNERS AND MANAGERS OF THE RITZ CARLTON THROUGH OUR PROPERTY ON FEBRUARY 10TH, IN FACT, IS THE DAY THEY CAME. 
          WE GAVE 'EM A COMPLETE TOUR, GAVE THEM ALL THE PLANS, UH, AND ALL THE PLANS WERE ALSO AVAILABLE PUBLICLY. 
          WE SAID, IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, PLEASE ASK US. 
          WE RECEIVED NO RESPONSE WHATSOEVER. 
          HOWEVER, LATE FRIDAY AFTERNOON, THIS PAST FRIDAY ON GOOD FRIDAY BEFORE EASTER WEEKEND, JUST TWO DAYS BEFORE THE THIS BOARD MEETS AN OBJECTION LETTER WAS SUBMITTED BY THEM. 
          YOU BE THE JUDGE ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THAT AND THE TIMING OF THAT. 
          NOW, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS. 
          UH, THIS CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL IS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY STAFF AND MEETS ALL OF THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USES. 
          THE NEIGHBORS, WE HAVE SUPPORT, AND ACTUALLY OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH DELPHINE DRE, OWNER OF THE NATIONAL HOTEL IS HERE AND CAN SPEAK FOR HERSELF, BUT THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE OF OUR, OUR PROJECT. 
          THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS THE RITZ PLAZA HOTEL, HAS BEEN FULLY INFORMED OF THIS OVER TWO MONTHS AGO AND ADVISED OF THE PROJECT DETAILS AND HAS NO OBJECTION. 
          SO THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS EITHER FAVOR THIS PROJECT OR HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THIS PROJECT. 
          RITZ CARLTON'S NOT AN ABUTTING NEIGHBOR, IT'S LOCATED TWO TO THREE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH. 
          AND THE ISSUES THAT THEY ARE RAISING IN THEIR, WITH REGARD TO THEIR SOUND EXPERT, HAVE ALL BEEN ADDRESSED BY OUR SOUND EXPERT BY THE CITY'S INDEPENDENT SOUND EXPERT REVIEWER. 
          AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT WE ARE, UH, OUR APPROACH IS THE CORRECT APPROACH. 
          SO, UH, AND, AND REMEMBER AS WELL, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT IS THAT 90 DAYS AFTER THE PROPERTY OPENS, THAT THE SOUND WILL BE TESTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THEY'VE INSTALLED WORKS AND THE CONCERN THEY REALLY HAVE, THE SOUND EXPERT WAS ONLY ABOUT THE NATIONAL HOTEL WHOSE CABANA BUILDING IS ACTUALLY THE CLOSEST STRUCTURE. 
          THERE'S NO OTHER CONCERN RAISED. 
          AND THAT WILL BE TESTED IN 90 DAYS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AS YOU DO WITH ALL CONDITIONAL USES, WE'LL RETAIN JURISDICTION OVER THE MATTER AS WELL. 
          NOW, I DUNNO, THE RITZ PLANS PER, UH, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE FUTURE, THERE ARE NO RESIDENTIAL USES TODAY. 
          THERE'S NOT EVEN A BUILDING PERMIT TODAY. 
          THEY ARE YEARS OUT FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL USES BEING PRESENT ON THEIR PROPERTY. 
          BUT THE OPENING OF THIS HOTEL, CRITICAL TO THE REVITALIZATION OF OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND NIECE, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS IN THE PROPOSED? YES, THERE'S ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          ONE CHANGE, MINOR CHANGE, WHICH I WANNA BRING UP BEFORE WE COME TO, TO, TO A VOTE ON THAT. 
          AND FINALLY, AND I DON'T WANT, WE CAN BRING OUR EXPERTS FORWARD IF NECESSARY, BUT I DO WANT TO QUOTE TO YOU WHAT COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ STATED JUST THIS PAST MARCH 24TH AT THE LUSK MEETING, TALKING ABOUT THE DELANO REOPENING. 
          HE SAID, THIS SHOULD BE A BIG COMMUNITY CELEBRATION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO HIGHLIGHT OUR ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE AND THE IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVING IT AND THE SUCCESS STORIES OF THOSE WHO HAVE SEEN VALUE IN INVESTING IN PRESERVATION. 
          AND SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING TO YOU TODAY. 
          THIS IS THE WAY TO DO PRESERVATION TO PROVIDE ECONOMIC VIABILITY FOR A IMPORTANT HISTORIC BUILDING. 
          UM, SORT OF GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE IMAGES, UH, JUST TO SAVE TIME OF SOME OF THE, THE GIGI RIGOLETTO SPACE, UH, WHICH IS, AS I MENTIONED, IS THE, 
          [02:35:01]
IS IN THE LOBBY, THE OUTSIDE DINING TERRACE, AS WELL AS THE POOL AREA. 
          AND MIMI KUSHI, WHICH IS THE JAPANESE RESTAURANT ON THE FOURTH FLOOR WITH A SMALL POOL AS WELL. 
          UH, SO WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO GIVE THIS PROJECT THIS, UH, FINAL APPROVAL. 
          WE STAND READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THE PROJECT, BUT I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS IS A MAGNIFICENT PROJECT THAT THE, UH, VENUES THAT THEY ARE CREATING THERE ARE GOING TO BE SPECIAL, UH, AS WELL. 
          AND I WOULD INVITE ACTUALLY, UH, UH, BRIEFLY UP, UH, UH, I'D INVITE INE TO BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT THE VENUES. 
          LET ME, OKAY. 
          AND BEFORE YOU START, DOES ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES TO MAKE ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS? NO. 
          NOBODY. 
          I DO. 
          I SPOKE TO THOUGH HE'S A LAWYER AND I NEED VISIT VALENTINE WILL TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT SORRY, DO THAT ON THE RECORD. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          CAN WE HAVE YOUR DISCLOSURE ON THE RECORD? YEAH, I SAID I WENT FORWARD TO HER VISIT AND, AND SPOKE TO WITH THE COUNSEL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HEY, I FORGOT I, I EXCHANGED THIS WAY. 
          BRIEF EMAILS WITH, UH, MR. CASTON. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? ELIZABETH? NO. 
          OKAY, SIR. 
          UH, GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. 
          MY NAME IS VALENTI. 
          I'M THE HOTEL MANAGER FOR TELE. 
          IF YOU COULD SPEAK INTO THE MIC, IT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL. 
          YOU CAN RAISE IT. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          GOOD. 
          JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HEAR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M GONNA, UH, BRIEFLY GO OVER THE, UH, AL THAT WE CURRENTLY BRING AT, UH, DELANO. 
          WE ARE GOING TO START WITH, UH, ROSE BAR, THE FAMOUS ROSE BAR, WHICH, UH, WE BRING BACK. 
          WE CURRENTLY HAVE EIGHT SEATS AT THE BAR ALONG WITH THE 24 SEATS IN THE LOBBY. 
          AND, UH, THAT WILL FUTURE AN EXTENSIVE COCKTAIL MENU ALONG WITH, UH, LIGHT BITES AND, UH, ENTERTAINMENT THROUGHOUT THE EVENING. 
          HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE ROSE BAR WILL BE FROM 5:00 PM TO 2:00 AM DAILY AND FOOD SERVED UNTIL MIDNIGHT. 
          UM, AND THIS, THAT'S THE LAYOUT WITH THE ROSE BAR BEING ON THE LOW PART WITH THE EIGHT SEATS AND THE, UM, THE LOUNGE BEING PART OF THE, THE MAIN LOBBY. 
          UH, GIGI GELATO, ALSO KNOWN FOR, UH, A DOLCE VITA STYLE, UH, SERVICE RESTAURANT WITH, UH, CURRENTLY HAVING, UH, UH, RESTAURANTS IN, UH, PARIS, UH, UH, ROME, UH, ALSO IN TURKEY, IN BOARDROOM DUBAI. 
          AND, UH, UM, WE ARE BRINGING THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN UNITED STATES AT, UH, AT DELANO, THERE'S THE LAYOUT OF THE GIGI LEGATO WITH, UH, THE LEFT SIDE BEING INSIDE, OUTSIDE WITH THE THREE TERRACES BLENDING INTO THE MAIN POLE AREA WHERE, UH, BELLINI BAR, UH, WILL BE LOCATED MIHI, UM, JAPANESE, UH, UH, STYLE RESTAURANT WITH, UH, UH, BRINGING OSAKA 1920 STYLE, UH, BACK TO LIFE WITH, UH, UH, UH, JAPANESE CUISINE WITH BLENDS OF, UH, UM, INSPIRED DISHES, UH, UH, WITH, UH, LOCAL TWIST, ALONG WITH, UH, ENTERTAINMENT SUCH AS JAZZ, UH, UH, DAYS WEDNESDAY, JAZZ NIGHTS. 
          AND, UH, UH, CRAFTED DJ UH, UH, SETTINGS. 
          SO GIGI'S ON THE FIRST FLOOR, THAT'S ON THE FOURTH FLOOR, RIGHT'S ON THE FIRST FLOOR, OKAY. 
          AND THEN KOCHI ON THE FOURTH FLOOR, ALONG WITH RIGHT NEXT TO THE, UH, LEASE POLE, THAT'S, THAT'S BEAUTIFUL POOL. 
          THAT'S, UH, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO KOHA, OVERSEEING THE MAIN POLE AND THE OCEAN. 
          AND THAT'S A LAYOUT OF, UH, UH, THE VENUES ON THE TOP SIDE, THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, WITH, UH, UM, ROSE BAR, UM, GIGI. 
          AND THEN ON THE SECOND, UH, LAYER WILL BE THE, UH, MINI KUSHI. 
          AND THAT'S, UH, THIS IS MORE OF AN INFORMATION WITH, UH, HOURS OF OPERATION AND UH, UM, STYLE OF SERVICE THAT WE HAVE FOR ALL VENUES. 
          AND THAT, UH, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD AS WELL FOR HISTORICAL INFORMATION IS THAT THE OCCUPANCY OF THIS PROPERTY IS ALREADY GRANDFATHERED IN FOR 1,425 OCCUPANTS. 
          ALL THE SPACES, INCLUDING THE GYMS AND, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, UH, THE OTHER ROOMS THERE. 
          SO THE LOBBY THAT IS ACTUALLY ONE FEWER THAN WE ARE RATHER, UH, ONE MORE THAN WE ARE SEEKING TODAY. 
          TODAY WE ARE SEEKING OCCUPANCY OF 1,424. 
          SO THE OCCUPANCY OF THIS PROPERTY IS NOT INCREASING. 
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AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, PROBABLY ALL OF YOU, MAYBE, MAYBE A FEW OF, YOU'RE TOO YOUNG TO REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BLUE DOOR IN THE FLORIDA ROOM AND, AND ON ALL THE GREAT VENUES, IT'S STAYING THE SAME IN SENSE, IN SENSE IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF, OF SEATS AND OCCUPANCY FOR THAT THOSE USES. 
          THE REASON REALLY WHY THIS, UH, NEED FOR CUP IS TRIGGERED IS THERE'S A MIX IN THE SPACES THAT ARE BEING USED. 
          THE FOURTH FLOOR BEFORE DID NOT HAVE AN ACTIVATION WHERE MIMI KAKU IS GOING. 
          SO THAT'S NEW TO THE PROPERTY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE CLUB THAT WAS IN THE BASEMENT OF THE PROPERTY IS NO LONGER GOING TO BE A DISCO CLUB. 
          THAT WAS THE FLORIDA ROOM DOWN BELOW, RIGHT? YEAH, NO, WHERE IS IT GONNA BE NOW? IT'S GONNA BE A SPA AND ALSO SOME BACKUP HOUSE OPERATIONS. 
          SO REALLY THE RE REAL REASON THIS IS BEFORE YOU IS BECAUSE THE LOCATION OF SOME OF THE F AND B USES ARE BEING, ARE, ARE, ARE BEING SHIFTED AROUND. 
          AND AGAIN, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VISIT THIS, UH, THIS, THIS PROJECT. 
          I WAS BLOWN AWAY BY THE JOB THAT THEY HAVE DONE. 
          THIS IS SPECTACULAR. 
          IT IS GONNA BE SO GOOD FOR MIAMI BEACH AND SO GOOD FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE JUST, UH, REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU . 
          ANYONE IN CHAMBERS TO SPEAK ON THIS? NO, I'LL GET TO THAT. 
          SHOULD I SPEAK FROM, MAY I SPEAK FROM HERE? YES. 
          HI, GOOD MORNING. 
          WERE YOU SWORN IN ALREADY? AND IF YOU DON'T, I CAN BE SWORN. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          SORRY. 
          EVEN THOUGH I'M AN ATTORNEY, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, I DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND IN PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION, PLEASE, UM, MAY BE NICE AND MISREPRESENTED, BUT I DOUBT IT. 
          BUT WHY? THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FOR THREE MONTHS UNTIL FRIDAY. 
          WELL, I WAS RETAINED ABOUT 10, 12 DAYS AGO AND WE WERE WAITING UNTIL DETERMINING WHAT THE STAFF REPORT WOULD, UM, ULTIMATELY RECOMMEND. 
          WE WERE SURPRISED THAT THE STAFF REPORT WENT AS FAR AS IT DID. 
          UM, AND MY CLIENTS HAVE VIGOROUSLY ATTEMPTED TO NEGOTIATE. 
          I'VE SEEN DOZENS OF EMAILS GOING BACK AND FORTH OVER THE LAST TWO OR THREE DAYS TRYING TO RESOLVE SOMETHING. 
          UM, SO I HAVE A PRESENTATION. 
          I HAVE BOTH A, UH, UH, ELECTRONIC PRESENTATION, BUT I ALSO HAVE A VERBAL, UM, PRESENTATION, THE ELECTRONIC PRESENTATION. 
          I'LL TRY TO FLY THROUGH IT, IT'S GONNA TAKE FOUR OR FIVE MINUTES. 
          THEN I HAVE A VERBAL PRESENTATION, UM, AND IT HAS FOUR SECTIONS, FOUR ARGUMENTS, AND EACH ONE'S ABOUT 90 SECONDS. 
          SO I'M GONNA TRY TO CERTAINLY, I WON'T BE ABLE IN TWO, TWO MINUTES AND WE ARE CERTAINLY A PARTY. 
          I'LL GIVE DIRECT, DIRECTLY IMPACTED, GIVE DIFFERENCE, GO AHEAD. 
          SO IT'S GONNA TAKE I WOULD SAY PROBABLY 12 MINUTES PLUS I HAVE AN EXPERT HERE, THE SOUND EXPERT WHO'S PREPARED TO TESTIFY AND WHO ALSO SUBMIT A REPORT. 
          I THINK EVERYBODY HAS SEEN THE ANALYSIS THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED TO AND PRESENTED ON FRIDAY. 
          UH, WE SUBMITTED IT AS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DEADLINE THAT THE CITY PROVIDES. 
          THAT'S WHY IT WAS FILED ON THAT DATE. 
          UM, COULD WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION? OKAY, NEXT PAGE. 
          MR. CHAIR, HOW MUCH TIME FOR THIS COMMENT? UH, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU, OKAY, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M JUST TO BE REAL CLEAR, MAY I GO? SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M KEN HARRISON ROBBINS. 
          I REPRESENT ALITO BEACH RESORT LAND, LLC AND TOLEDO BEACH HOTEL, LLC, WHICH IS THE RITZ CARLTON SOUTH BEACH AND THE OWNER AND OPERATORS. 
          AND THAT'S LOCATED 1671 COLLINS AVENUE. 
          WITHIN 175 FEET OF THIS PROPERTY, WE ARE AN AFFECTED PROP, UH, PARTY. 
          WE HAVE STANDING AND WE OPPOSE SOME PARTS OF THE CUP AS PROPOSED. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, THE RITZ CARLTON IS WITHIN 175 FEET AND CLEARLY COULD BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY MUSIC ON THE FOURTH FLOOR. 
          AND WE CONTEND ALSO ON THE LOWER FLOOR, ESPECIALLY ONCE OUR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ARE COMPLETED. 
          YOU CAN SEE SELF-EXPLANATORY. 
          LET'S RUN THROUGH THE MY BEACH CODE NEXT'S NEXT PRINCIPLE RESTAURANT SUPPER CLUB, WHICH IS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE YOU CAN HAVE, UM, EN LIVE ENTERTAINMENT IS WHERE THE PREPARATION, SERVING AND SELLING OF FOOD TO THE CUSTOMER FOR CONSUMPTION ON THE PREMISES. 
          THAT HAS TO BE THE BUS PRIMARY BUSINESS. 
          LET'S GO TO THE NEXT LINE. 
          SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE THREE GUIDELINES WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT. 
          THE CONCENTRATION OF SIMILAR TYPES OF USAGE SHALL NOT CREATE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE'RE ADDRESSING THE SIX SEPARATE VENUES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. 
          NEXT, THERE'S, THERE'S 
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AN ISSUE OF REQUIRING A NOISE ATTENUATION PLAN, WHICH ADDRESSES HOW NOISE WILL BE CONTROLLED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE. 
          AND FINALLY, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE PROXIMITY OF PROPOSED ESTABLISHMENTS OF THE PROPOSED ESTABLISHMENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT MATRIX WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT AND WE RECODED THE COLORS OF IT. 
          SO IT'S CLEARER HOW MANY DIFFERENT VENUES ARE IN THERE. 
          THERE ARE ACTUALLY SIX VENUES THAT ARE OUTSIDE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          THE GIGI SUPPER CLUB, A TOTAL OF 368 OCCUPANCY, 500 WITH LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          THE OUTDOOR DINING AND TIERED TERRACE, WHICH IS SEPARATE FROM THE INDOOR CLUB. 
          UH, THERE'S 126 SEATS AND 134 OCCUPANCY. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          THAT'S THE ACTUAL RENDERING OR PLANS FOR THAT OUTSIDE USE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          THEN YOU HAVE THE GG POOL SERVICE. 
          LIVE ENTERTAINMENT IS ALSO PROPOSED IN THAT AREA. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          THIS IS THE AREA IS AS WILL BE EXPLAINED BY THE SOUND ENGINEER, UH, MR. MOHO. 
          HE WILL EXPLAIN WHERE THE SPEAKERS ARE GONNA BE PLACED, INCLUDING 24 INCH ROOFERS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          THEN AT THE END, ALL THE WAY AT THE EAST SIDE OF THE POOL, THERE'S THE GIGI BELLINI, WHICH IS A BAR AND THAT'S ALSO PROPOSING TO HAVE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT RIGHT ON THE BEACH, RIGHT ON THE RIGHT ON THE WALKWAY TO MIDNIGHT. 
          LET'S GO. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          THAT'S THE ACTUAL IMAGE OF THE BAR. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE ENCROACHES ON THE BEACH PRESERVATION DUNE AREA. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND THE FOURTH FLOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT IN THE SUPPER CLUB. 
          ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT CLEAR WE DID NOT OPPOSE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AND ENCLOSED AREAS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO THIS IS THE OUTDOOR DINING AREA THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE FOURTH FLOOR. 
          AND YOU SAW THE PICTURE AT THE VERY BEGINNING THAT'S IN KNOW RIGHT LINE OF SIGHT OF THE UH, RITZ CARLTON. 
          AND IT'S IMAGINE LOUD MUSIC, LIVE MUSIC ON THAT DECK ON THE FOURTH FLOOR. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND THEN FINALLY THERE'S A POOL AREA. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND THAT'S ALSO ON THE FOURTH FLOOR. 
          ALSO PROPOSING LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. 
          MAKE IT CLEAR, I WANNA MAKE IT REAL CLEAR. 
          THIS IS THE SIX OUTDOOR VENUES FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. 
          472 SEATS, TOTAL OCCUPANCY OF 16 OR 13. 
          THAT'S QUITE AN ARENA. 
          UH, WE DO NOT OPPOSE TO HAVE AMBIENT MUSIC UP TO 10 O'CLOCK ON THE OUTSIDE. 
          WE'RE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THIS LOUD POTENTIAL. 
          VERY LOUD MUSIC OUTSIDE. 
          I'M GONNA INTERRUPT YOU ONE SECOND. 
          I HAVE A HISTORICAL QUESTION. 
          DID THE DELANO PRIOR TO ITS CLOSURE FOR RENOVATIONS HAVE A CUP? NO, THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED IN AS NON-CONFORMING BECAUSE THEY OPENED AND, AND MAINTAINED THEIR OCCUPANCY, UM, BEFORE THIS UP REQUIREMENTS. 
          OKAY, SORRY, GO AHEAD. 
          AND THEY CERTAINLY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE FOURTH FLOOR ON AN OPEN AREA. 
          NEXT. 
          AND THEN IN THE DRAFT ORDER, IT DICTATES WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED ON EACH OF THESE SIX VENUES. 
          NEXT PAGE, THE GIGI SUPPER CLUB. 
          AND IT'S FOUR SEPARATE AREAS, OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT UNTIL 12:00 AM INCLUDING THE POOL DECK, AT LEAST IN THE PROPOSED ORDER. 
          AND THEY ALL CAN I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, AGAIN, SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT WHILE IT'S ON MY MIND, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE TIMING BETWEEN THE WRIT, BUT THE RITZ AND THE DELANO, WHEN THE DELANO WAS FULLY OPERATIONAL, THEY COEXISTED, RIGHT? THE RITZ WAS OPEN. 
          THE DELANO, YES, THEY WERE, THEY DID COEXIST. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEY HAD PARTIES ALL THE TIME. 
          WHAT, IS THERE A HISTORY OF PROBLEMS RITZ OR COMPLAINTS THAT YOU KNOW OF? UM, BECAUSE DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP, DIFFERENT CONTROL. 
          UM, I CANNOT MAKE A AFFIRMATIVE REPRESENTATION AS ALL. 
          ALRIGHT, SO YOU DON'T KNOW. 
          OKAY, I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I, PEOPLE BACK THE WAS OPEN. 
          THEY HAD THE FLORIDA ROOM, THEY HAD ALL THESE VENUES AND IF YOU COEXISTED, I'M WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY HISTORY OF PROBLEMS. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS PERMISSION TO HAVE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT BECAUSE IT WAS THE CITY REALLY CLAMPED DOWN ON IT. 
          IN FACT, WHAT'S AMAZING IS THIS CITY HAS TURNED AROUND AND STOPPED ALL THE PARTYING DURING LABOR DAY, DURING MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND, WE STOPPED IT AND NOW WE'RE INTRODUCING WHAT WILL BE A PARTY PARTY ARENA. 
          AND THAT'S EXACTLY OPPOSITE WHAT THIS, THE COMMISSION HAS DONE, WHAT THE, 
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UH, MAYOR HAS ADVOCATED FOR. 
          WE'RE REVERSING IT. 
          LET'S DO THE NEXT, NEXT PAGE. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER ON THE SUPPER CLUB ON THE FOURTH FLOOR, WHICH IS GONNA DIRECTLY IMPACT US. 
          OKAY, NEXT PAGE. 
          THAT'S THE LAST PAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET ME GO THROUGH THE LEGAL ARGUMENTS AND I'M GONNA TRY TO DO THE FOUR AND 60 TO 90 SECONDS. 
          AND AT THE END I'LL, WHERE YOU WILL DISCUSS THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE OF WHAT SHOULD BE IN AN ORDER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT IS NOT AUTHORIZED FOR VENUES THAT DON'T QUALIFY AS RESTAURANT SUPPER. 
          CLUBS IN THE ARM THREE DISTRICT 7.5, 5.4 A THREE PERMITS OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT ONLY AS PART OF A RESTAURANT SUPPER CLUB. 
          AND THAT'S DEFINED UNDER 1.2 0.24. 
          AS AN ESTABLISHMENT WHOSE PRINCIPAL BUSINESS IS THE PREPARATION, SERVING AND SELLING OF FOOD. 
          THREE OF THE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT VENUES FAILED THAT PRINCIPAL BUSINESS TEST ON THEIR FACE. 
          THE GIGI POOL DECK, 258 OCCUPANTS OPERATING AS A POOL AMENITY WITH CABANAS IS NOT A RESTAURANT. 
          THE GIGI BELLINI DESCRIBED THE APPELLANT'S OWN LOI AS A DEDICATED, UM, BAR IS NOT A SUPPER CLUB. 
          AND THEN ON THE FOURTH FLOOR, THE POOL DECK, AGAIN, THE POOL. 
          IT'S A POOL SERVICE, NOT A RESTAURANT. 
          THE BOARD CANNOT GRANT OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT AND VENUES THAT DO NOT MEET THE THRESHOLD REQUIREMENT OF BEING A SUPPER CLUB. 
          THE SECOND ARGUMENT IS THAT THERE IS NO VALID ATTENUATION PLAN, WHICH IS MANDATED UNDER 7.5 0.5 0.4 B ONE G, WHICH REQUIRES A NOISE ATTENUATION PLAN DEMONSTRATING HOW NOISE WILL BE CONTROLLED TO MEET THE NOISE ORDINANCE. 
          THIS IS MANDATORY, NOT DISCRETIONARY. 
          AND EVEN THOUGH THERE'S DISCUSSION AFTER THE FACT, THERE WILL BE SOME TYPE OF CONTROL SYSTEMS PUT INTO PLACE AND LIMITERS, THERE'S NO DISCUSSION ABOUT LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. 
          YOU CAN'T LIMIT THE NOISE OF LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. 
          SO THE STAFF'S OWN REPORT RATES THIS CRITERION ONLY PARTIALLY CONSISTENT, WHICH MEANS IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE. 
          THE CITY'S OWN PEER REVIEWER ARPEGGIO CONCLUDED THE APPLICANT'S SOUND STUDY LACKS ANY QUANTITATIVE PREDICTION OF NOISE IMPACT ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          OUR ACOUSTIC EXPERT, DAVID BOHO OF WSDG, WHO WILL SPEAK AFTER ME IDENTIFIES WHAT IS MISSING. 
          THERE'S NO PREDICTIVE MODELING, NO SOUND LEVEL PREDICTIONS AT THE RITZ CARLTON. 
          NO BASS FREQUENCY ANALYSIS, NO CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS OF ALL SIX VENUES OPERATING SIMULTANEOUSLY. 
          AND THIS IS NOT A BACKGROUND MUSIC SYSTEM. 
          THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 50 TO 60 SPEAKERS AND 10 TO 15 SUBWOOFERS THE SAME FUNCTION ONE EQUIPMENT FOUND AT 11 AND LIVED NIGHTCLUBS WITH SUBWOOFERS AND ELEVATED PLANTERS AIMED DIRECTLY AT THE RITZ CARLTON GUEST ROOMS. SOME OF THOSE SUBWOOFERS ARE AS WIDE AS 24 INCHES. 
          THE PROPOSED FIX POSTIN INSTALLATION TESTING IS REACTIVE AND NOT PREVENTATIVE. 
          YOU CANNOT MAKE THE REQUIRED FIND THAT NOISE WILL BE CONTROLLED WITHOUT THE ANALYSIS THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO MAKE THAT TERM DETERMINATION. 
          TODAY. 
          YOU SHOULD NOT CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT DELEGATE YOUR DUTIES TO POST DECISION SOUND TECHNICIANS. 
          THIS IS YOUR DUTY TO ASSESS THE FACTS AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE FACTS TO MAKE A DECISION. 
          THERE ARE MANDATORY GUIDELINES CONCERNING, UM, CONSIDERATION OF RESIDENTIAL USES IN PROXIMITY. 
          AND THESE, THESE APPLICANTS KNOW FULL WELL, MAY I HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES. 
          THESE APPLICANTS KNOW FULL WELL THAT WE HAVE OUR PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL USES AND WE, THEY ARE, WELL, THEY'RE IN LITIGATION AGAINST US. 
          THEY KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED. 
          UM, UNDER 7.5 0.5 0.4 B ONE H. 
          THE BOARD IS REQUIRED TO CONSIDER PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL USES BOTH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF ASSERT THERE ARE NO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          THAT IS NOT ACCURATE. 
          ON OCTOBER 10TH, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD GRANTED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO OUR CLIENT, THE TOLEDO BEACH RESORT LAND LLC FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A CONDOMINIUM RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AT 1671 COLLINS WITHIN 175 FEET OF THE DELANO. 
          THAT APPROVAL IS IN THE RECORD. 
          IT WAS OMITTED ENTIRELY BY STAFF'S ANALYSIS. 
          THE MANDATORY PROXIMITY FINDING CANNOT BE SATISFIED BY IGNORING AND IMPROVED RESIDENTIAL PROJECT AT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. 
          FINALLY, THE CONCENTRATION OF SIMILAR USES CREATES A 
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NEGATIVE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT. 
          IT'S A MANDATORY GUIDELINE TO EVALUATE. 
          THAT'S 0.2 A SEVEN MANDATES THAT THE CONCENTRATION OF SIMILAR USES SHALL NOT CREATE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          STAFF ITSELF ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ADVERSE IMPACTS FROM THIS CONCENTRATION MAY BE EXPECTED, BUT ACKNOWLEDGING THE PROBLEM AND ADDING CONDITIONS DOES NOT SATISFY THE THRESHOLD FIGHTING FINDING. 
          THE COLLINS CORRIDOR ALREADY HAS MULTIPLE NIE PERMITTED HOTELS. 
          THIS APPLICATION ADDS SIX SIMULTANEOUSLY OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT VENUES WITH A COMBINED OUTDOOR OCCUPANCY OF 613 PERSONS, A NIGHTCLUB GRADE AUDIO SYSTEM OPERATING UNIT, WHICH WOULD OPERATE THROUGH MIDNIGHT IN AN RM THREE RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY ZONE. 
          THIS IS NOT A HOTEL AMENITY PROGRAM. 
          THIS IS AN OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT COMPLEX AND IT FAILS A CONCENTRATION STANDARD. 
          FINALLY, I'M GONNA CLOSE, BUT THEN I WANT TO ADDRESS THE CONDITION WE ASK THAT THE CUP DENY AS PROPOSED AS TO THE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT AT THE POOL DECK, AT THE BAR VENUES AND THE OUTDOOR AREAS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT DO NOT QUALIFY AS SUPPER CLUBS UNDER THE CODE. 
          AND IT SHOULD BE ENT EITHER DEFERRED OR DENIED ENTIRELY PENDING THE COMPLETION OF A PROPER PREDICTIVE AL MODELING THAT DEMONSTRATES COMPLIANCE WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE, NOT AFTER THIS BOARD ACTS. 
          MY CLIENT IS PREPARED TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY TESTING PROCESS TO GET THIS DONE. 
          FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO SPEND A FEW MORE MINUTES ON POST-APPROVAL TESTING OR WHATEVER TESTING WILL BE THERE. 
          UM, AS IT'S PROPOSED, IT'S LEGALLY INSUFFICIENT AND STRUCTURALLY UN UNENFORCEABLE AS WORDED IF THE BOARD IS INCLINED TO GRANT THE CAP AND RELIANCE ON CONDITION FOUR POINT, UM, FOUR POINT L, THE POST INSULATION ACOUSTIC TESTING REQUIREMENT. 
          I WANNA ADDRESS DIRECTLY WHY THAT CONDITION DOES NOT CURE THE LEGAL DEFICIENCY AND WHY IT DOES NOT PROTECT THE RITZ CARLTON. 
          FIRST, THE CONDITION IS PER PERMISSIVE, NOT MANDATORY AS TO OUR CLIENT CONDITION, FOUR L STATES THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL USE BEST EFFORTS TO COORDINATE PARTICIPATION IN TESTING BEST EFFORTS IS NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT. 
          IT'S ASPIRATION. 
          THERE IS NOTHING, THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS ORDER THAT COMPELS IT. 
          THE RITZ CARLTON IS ENTIRELY EXCLUDED FROM THE TESTING PROCESS THAT DETERMINES THE SOUND LEVELS THAT WILL AFFECT OUR GUESTS AND OUR FUTURE RESIDENTS EVERY NIGHT UNTIL MIDNIGHT AND POSSIBLY EVEN LATER. 
          SECOND, THE TESTING METHODOLOGY IS DRAFTED AS INADEQUATE ON ITS FACE. 
          THE CONDITION REQUIRES TESTING AT THE NATIONAL HOTEL'S CABANA BUILDING AND A POINT A HUNDRED FEET NORTH OF THE DELANO'S NORTH PROPERTY LINE. 
          THE RITZ CARLTON IS TO SOUTH AT 1671 COLLINS AVENUE. 
          THERE IS NO TESTING REQUIREMENT AT PROPERTY LINE AT OUR FACADE OR OUR, OR AT OUR GUEST ROOMS. WE ARE THE OBJECTING PARTY. 
          WE ARE THE AFFECTED NEIGHBORS, AND THE TESTING CONDITION DOES NOT REQUIRE A SINGLE MEASUREMENT AT OUR PROPERTY. 
          THIRD, ONCE THE COP ISSUES, ENFORCEMENT BECOMES REACTIVE AND PRACTICALLY INEFFECTIVE UNDER 2.5 0.5. 
          THE BOARD RETAINS MODIFICATION AND REVOCATION AUTHORITY, BUT THE STANDARD FOR REVOCATION IS VERY HIGH. 
          THE PROCESS IS LENGTHY. 
          AND MEANTIME, OUR GUESTS AND FUTURE RESIDENTS WOULD BE SUBJECTED TO A NIGHTCLUB GRADE AUDIO SYSTEM WHOSE IMPACT WAS NEVER MODELED, NEVER PREDICTED, NEVER DEMONSTRATED TO BE COMPLIANT BEFORE THE PERMIT ISSUED. 
          AND CERTAINLY, LIVE MUSIC COULD NOT BE CONTROLLED BY A CONTROLLED SOUND SYSTEM. 
          INSTEAD, IT IS THE DUTY OF THIS BOARD TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE IS A VALID ATTENUATION PLAN. 
          THERE ISN'T ANY, AND IT SHOULD NOT DELEGATE THAT DETERMINATION TO AN AFTER FACT DETERMINATION BY TECHNICIANS, NOT BY THIS BOARD. 
          THE FUNDAMENTAL POINT IS THE CODE REQUIRES THE APPLICANT TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH A NOISE ORDINANCE AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, NOT A, AS A CONDITION OF CONTINUED OPERATION AFTER APPROVAL CONDITION. 
          FOUR L INVERTS THAT REQUIREMENT. 
          ASK THIS BOARD TO APPROVE NOW AND VERIFY LATER. 
          THAT IS NOT WHAT 7.5 0.54 B ONE G AUTHORIZES. 
          AND IT IS NOT LEGALLY SUFFICIENT BASIS FOR THE FINDING THAT THIS MANDATORY CRITERION HAS BEEN MET. 
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NOW, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UM, UH, YOU GOTTA WRAP IT UP. 
          I'VE WRAP IT UP. 
          I'VE GIVEN YOU ALMOST 20 MINUTES. 
          A CLOSING, WE ASKED IS THE CUP DENIED AS TO THE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT? UM, WE ASK THAT THAT IN ITS ENTIRETY THAT THE PENDING UNTIL THE COMPENDING COMPLETION OF THE ANALYSIS IS DONE AND THE MODELING IS DONE, THAT THIS, YOU EITHER DEFER OR DENY THE APPLICATION, BUT CERTAINLY LET'S GET THE SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS DONE BEFORE WE APPROVE THIS. 
          AND NOW I HAVE TO INTRODUCE MR. MOHO AND HE'S GONNA SPEND FIVE MINUTES. 
          I TOLD HIM HE HAS ONLY FIVE MINUTES TO MAKE HIS PRESENTATION AND HE'S WORKED VERY HARD TO LIMIT WHAT HE'S GONNA SAY, BUT HE HAS A PRESENTATION. 
          YOU CAN BRING THAT UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MOHO. 
          THANK YOU MR. ROSE. 
          HEY, CAN YOU PULL UP THE PRESENTATION PLEASE? GOOD MORNING. 
          MY NAME IS DAVID MOJO. 
          I'M A, A PARTNER AND HEAD OF THE ACOUSTIC DEPARTMENT OF WS, DG IN MIAMI. 
          WE'RE A FIRM WITH OVER 55 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE FIELD OF ACOUSTICS, A SYSTEM DESIGN AND RECORDINGS TO THE DESIGN. 
          WE HAVE DONE OVER 3,500 PROJECTS AND WE HAVE BEEN, UH, REQUEST TO PERFORM, UH, A REVIEW OF THE DOCUMENTATION SUBMITTED BY THE DELANO HOTEL REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT AND THE POTENTIAL IMPACT THAT SOUND COULD HAVE AT THE RITZ CARLTON. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          THE FIRST FINDING THAT WE NEXT SLIDE? YEAH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          OR I THINK I CAN DO IT HERE. 
          I'LL DO IT HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE FIRST FINDING AND THE MOST IMPORTANT FINDING WE THOUGHT IS THAT THERE IS NO PREDICTIVE ANALYSIS. 
          THERE IS NOT AN ACOUSTICAL ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS. 
          WHAT IS THE TYPICAL DUE DILIGENCE THAT ANY ACOUSTIC CONSULTING FIRM WOULD DO FOR THIS MAGNITUDE OF PROJECT? WITH THE AMOUNT OF SPEAKERS, OUTDOOR SPEAKERS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE AT THE DELANO, AND THEY OF COURSE, CLOSE, CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE RITZ CARLTON AND OTHER NEIGHBORS, OF COURSE. 
          SO THERE IS NO UNDERSTANDING OF HOW LOUD THE SOUND AT THE DELANO MULTIPLE VENUES INDIVIDUALLY OR SIMULTANEOUSLY COULD BE AT THE RITZ S. 
          SO THIS IS THE FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT THING OF THE REVIEW THAT WE HAVE PERFORMED. 
          UH, AS MR. ROBINS MENTIONED, WE HAVE MULTIPLE VENUES ACROSS THE GROUND LEVEL AND THE FOURTH FLOOR, MEANING WE COULD HAVE, UH, FIRST FOURTH FLOOR SOURCES HAVE A DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT TO THE RITZ CARLTON. 
          AND OF COURSE, AT THE GROUND LEVEL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE OVER 10 FUNCTION. 
          1 24 INCH HORN LOAD IS OOP, TO PUT IT IN ENGLISH. 
          VERY, VERY BIG SPEAKERS CAPABLE OF PLAYING VERY LOUD BASS CONTENT, YOU KNOW, BASS THAT TRANSMITS VERY FAR DISTANCES AND IT'S HARDER TO CONTROL. 
          TO GIVE YOU A REFERENCE, A TYPICAL BACKGROUND MUSIC SYSTEM WILL HAVE AROUND 10, 15 SPEAKERS, MAYBE A FEW OF WOLFERS ONE, TWO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, A COMBINED, UH, AMOUNT OF, IN THE ORDER OF 50 TO 60 SPEAKERS OVER TENS OF WOLFERS. 
          SO THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT A BACKGROUND MUSIC SYSTEM. 
          THIS IS A NIGHTCLUB SIT DOWN, UH, TYPE OF SYSTEM CAPABLE OF PLAYING VERY LOUD MUSIC. 
          UH, AND THIS BRAND THAT I JUST MENTIONED, FUNCTION ONE IS A BRAND THAT YOU WILL FIND IN NIGHTCLUBS SUCH AS LEAVE AT THE FOUNTAIN BLUE OR M TWO. 
          FORMER EARLY MANSION USED TO BE ALSO INSTALLED AT, UH, CLOUD SPACE. 
          AND MY POINT HERE IS THAT THIS SYSTEM IS, IS LIKE A FERRARI OF AUDIO FOR HIGH-END CLUBS. 
          AND THE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO PUT A LIMITER ON THIS SYSTEM. 
          BUT IMAGINE HAVING A FERRARI AND SAYING THAT YOU'RE ONLY GONNA DRIVE IT AT 45 MILES PER HOUR. 
          IT SOUNDS UNREASONABLE TO US. 
          AND THE ONLY WAY TO UNDERSTAND IF, UH, THIS SYSTEM WILL ACTUALLY AFFECT AN IMPACT AND DISTURB THE NEIGHBORS AND THE GUESTS AT THE RITZ CARLTON IS BY A PROPER ACOUSTIC STUDY. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS THE TYPICAL DUE DILIGENCE. 
          I PERSONALLY DO IT ALL THE TIME WITH BOTH INDOOR AND OUTDOOR, UH, SPACES. 
          I'M GONNA INTERRUPT YOU ONE SECOND. 
          SO YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT, UM, THAT THE, THE CUP DOES NOT DISCUSS HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT THE WRITS. 
          DID YOU READ THE PROPOSED CUP? YES. 
          YOU DID. 
          OKAY. 
          DID YOU READ K AND L, K AND L, THE K AND L OF THE PROPOSED, UH, CUP? CAN YOU AND TELL ME WHAT IT SAYS PLEASE? WELL, THIS SHALL INCLUDE THE REQUIREMENT. 
          THE SOUND FROM THE INTERIOR SOUND SYSTEM SHALL NOT BE PLAINLY AUDIBLE ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES AND THE SOUND SYSTEM. 
          MAXIMUM OIL SHALL BE SET DURING TESTING TO COMPLY WITH THIS REQUIREMENT. 
          THE APPLICANT SHALL USE BETH'S EFFORTS TO COORDINATE THE PARTICIPATION OF THE NATIONAL HOTEL AND THE SLS, WHICH I BELIEVE ARE CLOSER IN PROXIMITY THAN THE RITZ. 
          UM, AT EACH LOCATION, THE SYSTEM'S VOLUME SHALL BE ADJUSTED TO ENSURE THAT THE SOUND IS NOT PLAINLY AUDIBLE. 
          SO, CORRECT. 
          WHAT IS THE BASE OF YOUR STATEMENT THAT, BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T DISCUSS HOW IT WILL IMPACT THE RISK. 
          'CAUSE USUALLY THIS IS A REACTIVE SOLUTION. 
          THIS IS A SOLUTION AFTER A FACT, WHEN WE'RE DOING A TYPICAL ACOUSTICAL STUDY, WE OVERVIEW, WE PREDICT WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY 
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NOWADAYS TO DO THAT TO. 
          SO BASICALLY YOU'RE ASSUMING THEY'RE GONNA VIOLATE THE CUP IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? UH, I I CAN'T TELL YOU YES OR NO TO THAT, BUT I NEED THE ACOUSTICAL STUDY. 
          WE NEED THE ACOUSTICAL STUDY TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THESE LOW FREQUENCIES, THEY TRAVEL VERY FAR, EVEN WALLS, THEY CAN'T MAINTAIN IT. 
          AND WE HAVE SEVERAL AT THE OUTDOOR. 
          SO THIS IS OUR CONCERN, HOW THAT NOISE WILL IMPACT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN I'M GONNA INTERRUPT YOU ONE MORE TIME TO THE STAFF. 
          IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER TYPE OF TESTING WE DO ON SOUND FROM A NO, THIS IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE STANDARD AND, YOU KNOW, OUR PRIMARY CONCERN AND FOCUS, UM, WAS THE NATIONAL HOTEL THAT IS EXTREMELY CLOSE IN PROXIMITY. 
          WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF THE SOUND CANNOT BE PLAINLY AUDIBLE AT THE NATIONAL, THEN IT SURE WOULDN'T BE PLAINLY AUDIBLE, YOU KNOW, PROPERLY TRYING UNDERSTAND HIS COMMENT. 
          THIS IS REACTIVE. 
          WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? NO, I THINK THAT THE TE BECAUSE IT'S BE, BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING FOR TESTING, RIGHT? AND I THINK THE TESTING IS CRITICAL, WHICH WE CORRECT. 
          I THINK TESTING NOT BECAUSE OF, OF D LOTS OF DIFFERENT FACTORS, BACKGROUND NOISE, YOU KNOW, WIND CONDITIONS CAN EVEN AFFECT SOUND. 
          SO I THINK ACTUAL TESTING ON SITE IS CRITICAL. 
          RIGHT? SO IN YOUR EXPERT, BUT WHAT ELSE CAN THEY DO THEN? DO THE PROPER TESTING AND MAKE SURE THERE'S NO SOUND HEARD AT THE NEIGHBORING? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THERE COULD BE, UH, ACOUSTICAL MARS BESIDES THE WALLS THAT WE HAVE. 
          NOW, THERE COULD BE BARRIERS AT THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY HIGHER THAN THE WALLS THEMSELF. 
          IT'S A MATTER OF THE COORDINATION. 
          THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS, AND ALSO THERE COULD BE AN ADVANCE. 
          BUT WOULD, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT IF THEY COMPLY WITH THE CUP, THEN THE RITZ WILL NOT BE IMPACTED? WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? MM, IF THEY COMPLY, I'M ASSUMING THEY COMPLY AND THEY'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS. 
          NO, I I, OKAY. 
          I CANNOT SAY YES OR NO WITHOUT A STUDY. 
          THAT'S THE THING I WOULD BE GOING AGAINST EVERYTHING I DO. 
          WELL, I'M SAYING THE CUP SAYS IT WILL NOT BE PLAINLY AUDIBLE TO THE, TO THE NATIONAL HOTEL. 
          SO I'M SAYING IF THEY COMPLY WITH THAT, WOULD YOU AGREE THE RICH SHOULD NOT BE IMPACTED? NO, I I YOU WON'T AGREE WITH THAT? I'M NOT ABLE TO SAY THAT WELL, TO THE CHAIR. 
          UH, MY, MY ISSUE THAT THEY BROUGHT UP IS WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TYPES OF OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT THAT WE'VE ALWAYS, THAT I'VE HEARD SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU, BEING A NEIGHBOR OF NIKKI'S BEACH, LIVE ENTERTAINMENT CANNOT BE CONTROLLED. 
          YOU GET THOSE GUYS WITH THE, THE AMPLIFIED SAXOPHONES AND YOU CAN HEAR IT FOR MILES. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          I I GET THAT AND GET THAT. 
          I WANNA HEAR THAT. 
          BUT LET, LET HIM FINISH AND THEN YES, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE, I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS WHEN WE GET BACK TO OUR SIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          GO AHEAD, SIR. 
          SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. 
          NO, PLEASE. 
          IN ADDITION, THE, THE VENUES OF THE FOURTH LEVEL, THEY HAVE A DIRECT, DIRECT LINE OF SIZE, SO IT'S EVEN HARDER TO CONTROL EVEN, ESPECIALLY LOW FREQUENCY. 
          I'M, I'M MAKING AN EMPHASIS. 
          LOW FREQUENCY IS BASE. 
          UH, AND IN ADDITION, I'M GONNA SKIP TO THIS AS, UH, YOU WERE WELL SAID, WE VERY WELL SAID, WE WILL HAVE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. 
          THIS COULD MEAN AN ACOUSTIC GUITAR PLAYING SOFTLY, BUT COULD ALSO MEAN A JAZZ BIG BAND. 
          COULD BE A LATIN PERCUSSION BRAZILIAN BROUGHT TO CADA. 
          IT COULD MEAN VERY LOUD INSTRUMENTS THAT ARE NOT AMPLIFIED, AND THEY ARE LOUD JUST BY, BY THEMSELF. 
          SO THERE IS NO, UH, NOISE ATTENUATION PLAN TO HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW TO ALSO ADDRESS THESE CONDITIONS. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE, UH, REQUESTING. 
          THIS IS JUST A DEMONSTRATION OF THE LINE OF SIGHT THAT I MENTIONING. 
          OF COURSE, GROUND LEVEL SOURCES COULD BE MAINTAINED BY WALLS AND VAR, BUT FOURTH LEVEL SOURCES, IT'S HARDER. 
          AND AGAIN, WITHOUT THIS PREDICTIVE MODELING, THERE IS, AND, AND THEREFORE NO ATTENUATION PLAN, THERE IS, UH, NO MEANS TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT AT THE RITZ CARLTON OR OTHER NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, ONE MORE TIME. 
          THIS IS A STANDARD PRACTICE. 
          I'M NOT REQUESTING OR ASKING FOR ANY OUT OF THE ORDINARY, EXTRAORDINARY AT ALL. 
          THIS HAPPENS FOR MOST, UH, VENUES WHEN YOU HAVE THESE KIND OF LOUD SOURCES AND VERY SENSIBLE RECEIVERS NEARBY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS THAT SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NOBODY ELSE HAS? HOLD ON. 
          IS THERE ANYBODY ON ZOOM? YES. 
          LET'S DO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN, OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I WANTED TO REBUT THE, UH, THAT OH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          I JUST WANNA HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT IN AND, OKAY. 
          OUR FIRST SPEAKER ON ZOOM IS NEIL ROSS. 
          AND NEIL, DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          UH, THE ONLY, THE ONLY CONCERN, UH, I'M THE, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD FOR THE DELEAGE, IS WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE OUTDOOR NOISE DOES NOT EXCEED AN AMBIENT LEVEL WHERE THE OWNERS WOULD BE DISTURBED, YOU KNOW, AFTER HOURS AT 11 12, 1 2 PLUS IN THE MORNING. 
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AND, UH, THAT'S OUR, OUR MAJOR CONCERN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS PETER CANVA. 
          HI, PETER. 
          DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. 
          YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'LL LEAVE THE, UH, QUESTIONS OF THE SOUND TO THE EXPERTS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE AN OBSERVATION. 
          UH, FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WE ALL SHOULD BE VERY HAPPY THAT THE DELANO IS FINALLY REOPENING. 
          AND IT SHOULD REALLY BE A, UM, YOU KNOW, CREDIT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I ONLY USE THE QUALIFIER IN THIS REGARD. 
          UH, FOR THE PAST DECADE AT LEAST, THE AREA BETWEEN LINCOLN ROAD AND UM, 23RD STREET HAS BEEN EVOLVING INTO A, UM, MORE ELEGANT, UH, ROW OF HOTELS AND PLANNED, UH, UPSCALE RESIDENCES. 
          AND THE, UH, DIRECTION THAT WE'VE BEEN HEADING IN, AND WE'VE TRIED TO BE PART OF THIS, IS QUIETING THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN. 
          THE PLAN FOR THE DELANO REALLY, UH, SHOWS THAT IT'S OPERATING, UH, MAYBE LESS AS A HOTEL THAN AS A NIGHTCLUB VENUE THAT IS GONNA ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM THE BEACH, ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE AND SO FORTH. 
          UH, THIS IS AN ECONO, AN ECONOMIC PARADIGM THAT WE USUALLY SEE IN THE SMALLER HOTELS THAT HAVE A HARD TIME COMPETING WITH ROOM RATES AND SO FORTH. 
          BUT, UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S KIND OF, TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE REALLY WINDING THE CLOCK BACKWARD TO WHERE THE EVOLUTION OF THIS, UH, AREA HAS BEEN GOING. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT OBSERVATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I SEE NO MORE SPEAKERS. 
          NO. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE SOME BRIEF REBUTTAL IN RESPONSE. 
          UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO HAND OUT TO YOU AS WELL. 
          THIS LETTER FROM THE NATIONAL HOTEL, OUR IMMEDIATE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR SIGNED BY DELPHINE DRE, THE OWNER WHO IS HERE IN PERSON AS WELL. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN SUPPORT, I'M SPEAKING MR. ROSS. 
          OBJECT TO THAT, OBJECT TO HIS SUBMISSION OF ANY NEW EVIDENCE AFTER IT'S AFTER. 
          NOT EVIDENCE, IT'S A LETTER OF SUPPORT AND THEY'RE RECEIVING IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I GAVE YOU A GREAT DEFERENCE. 
          I'M GONNA GIVE THEM DEFERENCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND SO THIS IS, OF COURSE, HE DOESN'T WANT THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK. 
          UM, THE DE THE NATIONAL IS SUPPORTING OUR APPLICATION AND THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THEY ARE OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY WANNA DO, AND WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM. 
          SO IT IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE PROPERTY MOST EFFECTIVE, POTENTIALLY IS SUPPORTIVE. 
          I'D LIKE TO CORRECT A FEW THINGS THAT WERE SET ON THE RECORD THAT ARE ALSO NOT ACCURATE. 
          UH, NUMBER ONE, UH, MR. ROBBINS SAID THAT THERE IS LITIGATION BETWEEN MY CLIENT, THE ANO AND HIS CLIENT. 
          THAT'S NOT, SO THERE ISN'T LITIGATION. 
          THERE HASN'T BEEN LITIGATION. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHERE HE IS COMING UP WITH THAT. 
          NUMBER TWO, HE MISS READS THE CODE PROVISION WITH REGARD TO THE DISTANCE OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. 
          THE CODE IS CLEAR THAT IT MUST BE AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET. 
          THERE IS NONE, NOT ONE THAT'S PLANNED, NOT ONE THAT'S APPROVED, BUT AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OF WHICH THERE IS NONE. 
          IN ADDITION, WE'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE DELANO, UH, TO SAY THAT THIS IS JUST GONNA BE AN ENTERTAINMENT VENUE IS A GROSS MISSTATEMENT. 
          THEY HAVE SPENT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY. 
          THEY HAVE 171 HOTEL ROOMS. THIS IS PRIMARILY A HOTEL, BUT IT ALSO HAS THE CUSTOMARY, UH, ENTERTAINMENT AND FOOD, UH, OPERATIONS AT A HOTEL OF THIS SCALE. 
          AND STATURE WOULD HAVE, AND THERE IS NO ONE WHO WOULD BE MORE AFFECTED BY THERE BEING TOO MUCH NOISE THAN THE OCCUPANTS OF THE HOTEL ROOMS AT THE DELANO HOTEL. 
          THOSE CABANA ROOMS THAT YOU SEE ALONG THE POOLSIDE WILL BE RENTING FOR $3,000 A NIGHT. 
          THE AVERAGE DAILY ROOM RATE FOR THE DELL NOBLE APPROXIMATE $900 A NIGHT. 
          THOSE ARE PEOPLE THEY'RE GONNA WANNA MAKE SURE ARE COMFORTABLE AND ARE NOT BOTHERED BY THE ACTIVITIES. 
          THIS IS NOT SOME SMALL HOTEL OF 10 OR 20 ROOMS, WHICH HAS A HUGE FOOD AND BEVERAGE VENUE. 
          THIS IS A HOTEL, A PREMIER HOTEL, OPERATED BY A COMPANY THAT OWNS AND INVESTS IN PREMIER HOTELS LIKE THE AMMAN AND THE RAFFLES IN BOSTON. 
          AND SO THIS IS WHAT THIS IS. 
          UH, IN ADDITION, UH, HE QUOTES FROM THE CODE AS SAYING THAT, UH, THIS CREATES, UH, A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF THE CONCENTRATION IN THIS PART OF MIAMI BEACH. 
          HOTELS WITH ACCESSORY DINING AND ENTERTAINMENT ARE THE NORM, NOT THE EXCEPTION. 
          AND I 
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WOULD POINT OUT BY THE WAY THAT THE TWO PROPERTIES, HE REPRESENTS THE RITZ CARLTON. 
          THE BAGATELLE HAS A CUP THAT ALLOWS ENTERTAINMENT UNTIL 5:00 AM AND THE SAGAMORE, THE OTHER PROPERTY, HAS A CUP THAT ALLOWS ENTERTAINMENT TILL 2:00 AM. 
          SO THEY, UH, UH, THAT'S WHAT'S CALLED THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK, UH, THE CODE REQUIRES. 
          AND THEN THE FINAL THING THAT HE DEALT WITH IS OBVIOUSLY THE EQUIPMENT HAS THE CAPABILITY PERHAPS OF PROJECTING LOUDER, BUT THE EQUIPMENT WILL BE REGULATED AS IT ALWAYS, AS IT ALWAYS IS THE CODE REQUIRES AN ATTENUATION PLAN. 
          THE CODE REQUIRES THAT WE COMPLY WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE AS WELL. 
          UH, AND SO, AND THE CITY STAFF, THE INDEPENDENT REVIEWER SPECIFICALLY SAID, WITH RESPECT TO THE TESTING, THAT IT IS PREFERABLE THAT THE TESTING OCCUR POST INSTALLATION. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THE REQUIREMENT, THE CONDITION IN THE ORDER IS THAT 90 DAYS AFTER IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S OPERATING, IT WILL BE TESTED AND REPORTED BACK TO THIS BOARD WHERE YOU'LL CONTINUE TO RETAIN JURISDICTION OVER THE MATTER. 
          UH, AND SO, UH, FINALLY, UH, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, OUR SOUND EXPERT IS HERE, OUR SOUND EXPERT, THE CITY'S SOUND EXPERT HAVE ALL AGREED ON THE COURSE OF ACTION FOR THIS. 
          AND THIS PROPERTY HAS, AS THE CHAIR HAS PRO POINTED OUT, HAS HISTORICALLY AS WELL, HAD THESE OUTSIDE AREAS ACTIVATED. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY THE TYPE OF ENTERTAINMENT THAT, THAT DELANO HAS PLANNED FOR? UH, I, I HAD ASKED, UH, UH, WOULD YOU, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THE ENTERTAINMENT. 
          IT'S GONNA BE, OBVIOUSLY, GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE HOTEL, IT'S GONNA BE VERY HIGH END, UH, ENTERTAINMENT. 
          BUT IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT IT BRIEFLY. 
          SO, UM, MOST OF THE, UM, DJ ACTIVATION WILL BE INSIDE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE, THE ONE THAT'S BY THE POOL, AND THEN THE JAZZ NIGHTS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY INSIDE THE RESTAURANT AS WELL, ON THE FOURTH FLOOR, NOT ON THE PATIO AS EXPLAINED BY THAT. 
          BOTH POOLS OR JUST WHICH POOL? THERE'S TWO POOLS. 
          SO THERE ARE TWO POOLS. 
          SO THE, THE, THE MAIN POOL. 
          THE MAIN POOL, OKAY. 
          SO DOWNSTAIRS, VERY USED TO BE DOWNSTAIRS BY THE POOL? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ONE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS, UH, THERE IS FOOD SERVICE THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE PREMISES WHERE THERE IS ENTERTAINMENT. 
          THERE'S A, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE PORTION OF THE GIGI BY THE BEACH, AS YOU KNOW, THE LAST CABANA, THERE IS GOING TO BE ALSO A KITCHEN FOR THE PREPARATION OF FOOD TO SERVE IT OUT, OUT THERE AS IT WAS HISTORICALLY ON THIS PROPERTY AS WELL. 
          SO ALL AREAS WILL HAVE FOOD SERVICE AT ALL TIMES THAT THIS, UH, ENTERTAINMENT IS, UH, IS, IS OFFERED. 
          BUT AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE LEVEL OF INVESTMENT, THEN, UH, WHAT THEY WILL BE CHARGING, THE NATURE OF THE PROPERTY, THIS IS GONNA BE A VERY HIGH-END OFFERING. 
          FINALLY, THERE IS ONE CONDITION, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE READY TO MOVE, THERE'S ONE CONDITION THAT DOES NEED TO BE CLARIFIED, WHICH IS THE, UH, CONDITION FOUR B, WHICH REFERENCES THE MAXIMUM TOTAL OCCUPANCY. 
          THAT NUMBER APPEARS TO INCLUDE ONLY THOSE AREAS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ENTERTAINMENT. 
          SO IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO INCLUDE THE SPA, THE, THE GYM, THE LOBBY, ET CETERA. 
          WE ARE, ARE NOT REQUESTING ANY INCREASE IN OCCUPANCY OVER THE EXISTING GRANDFATHER IN AN OCCUPANCY LEVEL. 
          BUT THE CORRECT NUMBER OF OCCUPANCY IS 1,424 PERSONS AND 741 SEATS. 
          WE'D LIKE THE ORDER TO REFLECT THAT. 
          AND REGARDING NOISE, YOU HAVE YOUR OWN HOTEL GUESTS YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH. 
          WE'LL BE PAYING AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY AND ARE THE, SO I'M JUST SAYING AND ARE THE CLOSEST, THE CLOSEST PEOPLE TO, TO WHERE THE NOISE WILL BE GENERATED FROM. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          MAY I CORRECT ONE FACT IN THE RECORD? TWO FACTS IN THE RECORD. 
          THE SMAR JUST CONFIRMED WITH THE DIRECTOR. 
          THE SAGAMORE DOES NOT HAVE ANY CUP. 
          HAVE A COPY. 
          THE RITZ, WE HAVE A COPY OF THE ORDER. 
          YOU'D LIKE IT, WE'LL SUBMIT IT. 
          R THE RITZ HAS A CUP, BUT IT'S ONLY FOR INSIDE FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, NOT OUTSIDE. 
          WELL, THAT, I MEAN, DID, DID THEY SEEK OUTSIDE ANYWAY? NO, DOESN'T MATTER. 
          ALRIGHT, SO ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS? NOBODY ELSE ON ZOOM? CORRECT? CAN WE CLOSE? ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, I'M JUST GONNA START BY SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE BUSINESSES TO MAKE IT IN MIAMI BEACH. 
          THERE'S 
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A LOT THAT AREN'T. 
          SO THERE'S A BALANCE, UM, BETWEEN WANTING THE HOTEL TO SUCCEED AND QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          UM, I, UM, AND I KNOW KEITH, YOU'RE GONNA BE CONCERNED WITH LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, BUT TO ME, THE KEY IS, UM, BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR. 
          I HAPPEN TO KNOW BEN PUN, WHO'S I BELIEVE INVOLVED IN MANAGEMENT OF THE DELANO. 
          THEY'RE REALLY GOOD OPERATORS. 
          AND, UH, I I, I HATE TO GO ON WITH THE PREMISE OF THEY'RE GONNA VIOLATE THE CUP. 
          THE CUP, IN MY OPINION, IS VERY STRICT WITH RESPECT TO WHAT MUSIC CAN BE HEARD OUTSIDE OF THE PREMISES, WHETHER IT'S A STEREO OR A DJ. 
          UM, UH, SO I, I'M GONNA, YOU KNOW, I PROCEED WITH, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE AND KNOWING THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING THE HOTEL, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COMPLY. 
          AND I, THAT'S WHY I ASKED DEBORAH IF THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE TESTING AND, AND ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE FOR ANY OTHER VENUE. 
          AND I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT. 
          UM, THAT BEING SAID, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE NEIGHBORS WHO MAY BE IMPACTED. 
          UM, UH, BUT I BELIEVE BASED UPON THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPOSED, THAT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THAT BEING SAID, KEITH, I'LL START TO, TO THE CHAIR. 
          I, I SURE. 
          I, I'M READING ON PAGE SEVEN OF NINE OF THE PLANNING REPORT, AND, AND IT'S JUST THE WORDING THAT LET'S GET THROUGH. 
          WELL, LET ME GET THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S, THE WORDING OF EVERY OUTDOOR BAR IS THE SAME. 
          WELL, ACTUALLY, IT'S, IT'S, SOMETIMES IT CHANGES. 
          UH, IT SAYS, I'M SORRY, WHERE ARE YOU? I'M ON PAGE SEVEN OF THE PLANNING REPORT, NOT THE, NOT THE ACTUAL ORDER. 
          AND THERE ARE ANALYSIS AND THEY SAY THE PROPOSED HOURS TO MIDNIGHT, 55 SEATS, OUTDOOR BAR, GIGI BELLINI, AS WELL AS AMBIENT LEVEL BACKGROUND MUSIC, BEAUTIFUL AND OR LIVE AND RECORDED ENTERTAINMENT AND CURATED DJ PROGRAMMING. 
          SO IS IT AMBIENT? IS IT LIVE? IS IT, WHAT LEVEL DJ, ARE WE IMPOSING AMBIENT LEVEL RESTRICTIONS ON OUTDOOR? IF IT IS, AND GOD BLESS YOU, IF YOU CAN DO IT WITH AN A JAZZ ENSEMBLE, GOOD LUCK. 
          BUT IS THAT THE, THE, THIS IS A MIXED TERMS. IT'S NOT CLEAR. 
          WELL, IN FACT, MEAN THE STAFF CAN ANSWER THAT. 
          YOU CAN'T HAVE LIVE AMBIENT. 
          WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT A HUNDRED TIMES. 
          IT'S AMBIENT AFTER, AFTER MIDNIGHT. 
          IT'S NOT AMBIENT. 
          UH, IT'S NOT LIVE AFTER. 
          THEN IT SAYS, AS WELL AS AMBIENT LIVE BACKGROUND, LIVE MUSIC, AND THEN THE PROPOSED HOURS TO MIDNIGHT. 
          SO IS IT, I'M, THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ANYTHING WHAT I'M READING, AND IF I COULD, UM, MR. MARKS, SO THE AMBIENT RESTRICTION IS OUTDOOR WHEN THEY EXCEED THE MIDNIGHT HOUR OF OPERATION. 
          SO THEY'RE ASKING TO BE OPEN BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND 2:00 AM THAT'S WHEN YOU WOULD HAVE AMBIENT ENTERTAINMENT, RIGHT. 
          PRIOR TO TO MIDNIGHT. 
          THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE ENTERTAINMENT LEVEL SOUNDS AND WHATEVER THEY WANT. 
          ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE THE, THE CONDITION THAT, THAT SOUND WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SPILL OUT. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THE TESTING COMES IN TO THEIR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. 
          SO THAT, THAT SOUND WOULD BE PLAINLY AUDIBLE. 
          AND ALL THE SPEAKERS HAVE TO BE FOCUSED IN INWARD. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT THAT WOULD BE INSURED DURING A TESTING PERIOD IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, SPILLING OUT. 
          AND WE WOULD NEED ACCESS TO, YOU KNOW, PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTIES. 
          WE KNOW THE NATIONAL HOTEL OWNERS ARE PHENOMENAL, AND I'M SURE THEY WOULD, UM, BE HAPPY TO ALLOW US, UM, ACCESS TO ENSURE THAT THEY WILL BE, UM, THEY WILL NOT BE DISTURBED. 
          AND, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE DECK OF CLAUSE AND, AND THE RITZ OR NATIONAL. 
          WELL, THOSE ARE SO MUCH FURTHER AWAY THAN THE NATIONAL THAT IF YOU CAN'T HEAR IT WITHIN THE NATIONAL, WELL, HERE'S THE OTHER PROBLEM. 
          I, AND THE, I, NOT AGAINST THE, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE I'M AGAINST ANYTHING, BUT I DON'T KNOW, SITTING ON THIS BOARD THAT THE NATIONAL AND THE , I DON'T KNOW, NATIONAL'S INTENT FOR LIVE MUSIC. 
          SO YOU CAN'T ASSUME THAT JUST BECAUSE THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, WHICH IS A HOTEL, IS GOING TO REPRESENT THE ENTIRETY OF THAT A HUNDRED, 200 FEET AND WHAT IS LOUD. 
          IF UNLESS YOU COVER ALL AREAS 200 FEET FROM THERE AND SAY YOU CAN'T HEAR IT, THEN THAT'S NOT A GOOD ORDER, IN MY OPINION. 
          AM I OFF? I MEAN, WE COULD CERTAINLY CLEARLY AUDIBLE WITHIN 200 FEET WITHIN, I MEAN THAT, I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT, UM, CONDITION. 
          EITHER THE RITZ WOULD COOPERATE AND THE RITZ WOULD ALLOW TESTING ON ITS SITE. 
          WE WILL HAVE OUR ACOUSTICAL ENGINEER PRESENT IF WE NEED TO AND HELP THIS OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IF THERE'S A PROCESS OF ALLOWING SOME TYPE OF MUSIC, IT SHOULD BE TESTED. 
          THEY'RE ON THE DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT. 
          THE MUSIC ON THE FOURTH FLOOR IS GONNA GO OVER THE 
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NATIONAL AND INTO THE DELANO. 
          UH, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT PICTURE WE SHOWED IS IT'S ON THE FOURTH FLOOR. 
          THE MUSIC WILL GO RIGHT OVER DIRECTLY INTO OUR UNITS. 
          SO, SO THERE IN SECTION L IT SAYS AT EACH LOCATION, I THINK IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE SLS AND, UH, OR MAYBE IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE, THE ENTERTAINMENT SPEAKER'S LOCATION. 
          I'M NOT REALLY SURE, BUT IT SAYS AT EACH LOCATION, THE SYSTEM'S VOLUME SHALL BE ADJUSTED TO ENSURE THAT THE SOUND IS NOT PLAINLY AUDIBLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I READ EARLIER. 
          RIGHT? I THINK IT JUST COULD BE TWEAKED, NUMBER ONE TO SAY NOT PLAINLY AUDIBLE AT WHATEVER PROPERTIES. 
          YEAH, YOU CAN INCLUDE 200, YOU CAN TO SAY ALL PROPERTIES WITHIN 200 FEET. 
          CAN YOU INCLUDE IT, INCLUDE IT TO SAY THE, AT THE RITZ CARLTON AS WELL? UH, I MEAN THAT, REMEMBER THE CODE GOVERNS THAT ALREADY. 
          IT WOULD BE A VIOLATION IF IT WAS. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT'S THE PROBLEM. 
          WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH SAYING THAT? I MEAN, THE, IF YOU WANT THE TESTING TO GO OUT 200 FEET, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. 
          YES. 
          IT'S NOT ONLY THE TESTING, IT'S, IT'S THE, WHEN THERE IS, I MEAN, IF WE'VE LEARNED FROM LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, OTHER HOTELS WHERE TESTING CAN WORK ON, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS GREAT IN ONE DAY, BUT THEN WHEN IT'S VERY WINDY ON ANOTHER DAY, IT'S VERY LOUD ON, YOU KNOW. 
          UM, SO I GUESS, AND, AND THE POINT'S WELL TAKEN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NATIONAL HOTEL'S LOWER THAN THE RITZ CARLTON. 
          AND SO IF IT'S, IF IT CAN'T BE, IF IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PLAINLY AUDIBLE, HOWEVER MANY FEET, THEN I THINK WE JUST MAKE IT CLEAR. 
          THE PROBLEM IS CODE ENFORCEMENT ALWAYS HAS ISSUES AFTER THE FACT. 
          FACT, IF IT'S NOT AFTER THE FACT, IF IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR. 
          BUT IF IT'S, YOU'RE, I, I THINK THE TERMS OF THIS ALREADY WOULD INCLUDE IT BEING PLAINLY AUDIBLE THERE. 
          SO THEN WHY NOT INCLUDE IT JUST SO TO MAKE IT SO THAT EACH LOCATION, THE SYSTEM'S VOLUME SHOULD BE JUST AS SO TOWN THE SOUND IS NOT PLAINLY AUDIBLE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THE OTHER ISSUE. 
          THEY'RE DOING IT ALL LOCATIONS. 
          THEY'RE DOING IT VENUE BY VENUE. 
          WHAT IF ALL THE VENUES ARE PLAYING? WHAT IF THEY, THIS SYSTEM? YEAH. 
          ACCORDING TO MY ACOUSTICAL ENGINEERING, YOU SAID THEY CAN BE INTEGRATED INTO ONE SOUND SYSTEM. 
          THEY CAN HAVE ONE ACT AND IT COULD RUN THROUGH OUR DJ AND RUN ALL THE SPEAKERS ON THE ENTIRE SITE. 
          SO IT HAS TO BE, HE'S CUMULATIVE OF THAT. 
          HE'S NOT A SOUND EXPERT. 
          I'M NOT A SOUND EXPERT. 
          THE CITY HAS TO, HE'S TO, AND THEY'RE GONNA CONDUCT THE STUDY. 
          AND IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE WAY THE STUDY WAS CONDUCTED, OR IF YOU DON'T EVEN LIKE THE ORDER, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. 
          BRING IT BACK ON SINCE THE CHAIR LEFT. 
          I'M  I'M IN TROUBLE. 
          THOSE VICE CHAIRS, UH, I'M JUST SAYING, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE, NUMBER ONE, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GONNA BE HAVE TO BE A LITTLE, A LITTLE GIVE IN TERMS OF THE RITZ CARLTON, BECAUSE IT IS SOUTH BEACH. 
          THERE ARE GONNA BE EVENTS. 
          YOU'RE LUCKY THAT SUCH A GREAT, YOU KNOW, UH, OPERATOR CAME IN AND, AND PUT IN SO MUCH MONEY TO THIS. 
          THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN HOTEL ROOMS THAT THEY'RE GONNA, NOT WANTING TO BE DISTURBING. 
          OF COURSE THERE'S GONNA BE SPECIAL EVENTS, NEW YEAR'S, ART BASEL, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE LOUD MUSIC THAT YOU ARE GONNA BE HEARING IT. 
          THAT BEING SAID, UM, NOBODY, I DON'T THINK EVEN THE DELANO WANTS TO BE INTERRUPTING YOUR GUESTS OR RESIDENTS IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF IT NOW, BUT NOT ALL OF IT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          SO WHAT I THINK IS THE BETTER, WHAT I THINK YOU'RE SAYING NEESON IS, IS THE CODE CURRENTLY WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, REQUIRES THAT IT NOT BE PLAINLY AUDIBLE FROM THE RITZ-CARLTON. 
          AND SO WHY WOULD, IF IT WOULD MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY TO ADD IN AT, AT, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULDN'T BE PLAINLY AUDIBLE AT THE RITZ-CARLTON. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WAS AT 200 FEET OF WHICH 200 FEET IS FINE. 
          YEAH, 200 FEET WITHIN 200 FEET. 
          THAT'S, ARE YOU GUYS, ARE THEY PROPERTY FOR PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN 200 FEET. 
          FEET. 
          BUT SOME OF IT'S GONNA BE 175. 
          SOME OF IT MIGHT BE 220 FEET, DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION. 
          DEPENDS ON HOW WE SAY IT. 
          IT BY THE CROWS WELL APPLIES FROM EACH VENUE OR WITHIN THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          IF IT'S, IF IT'S A PROBLEM AT 175 FEET, UH, IF IT'S NOT A PROBLEM AT 175 FEET, THEN IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GONNA BE A PROBLEM AT 250 FEET. 
          DEPEND, DEPENDING ON WHAT LOCATION YOU'RE LOOKING AT. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TEST ALL LOCATION. 
          WHY CAN'T WE DO IT WHERE THEY TEST IT ON THE AREAS AT THE RITZ ON 206 EXPOSED AND 200 FEET. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PART OF THE RITZ WE'RE GONNA ONLY, BUT DUE RESPECT, I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A GAME OF WHACK-A-MOLE, RIGHT? SAYING TO GO TO 200 FEET, WE'RE FINE WITH IT, OKAY. 
          THAT ENCOMPASSES PROPERTIES WITHIN 200 FEET. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND HAVE MR. ROBBINS DICTATE TO YOU OR THE SOUND EXPERTS WHAT YOU SHOULD TEST AND HOW YOU SHOULD TEST. 
          THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. 
          AND HE'S NOT AN EXPERT AT DOING THAT. 
          I HAVE THE EXPERT HERE, AND HE WILL TESTIFY AS TO WHAT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          SO, 
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SO, YOU KNOW WHAT, AND I, I'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          OKAY? SURE. 
          SO, SO IN TERMS OF THE LANGUAGE, I, I JUST THINK THAT THE, THAT ONE SENTENCE, UH, IS AN IMPORTANT SENTENCE AND I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO BE, WHERE ARE YOU? I'M SECTION L, SECTION L, SECOND TO LAST SENTENCE. 
          IT SAYS, AT EACH LOCATION, THE SYSTEM SYSTEMS VOLUME SHALL BE ADJUSTED TO ENSURE THAT THE SOUND IS NOT PLAINLY AUDIBLE. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T, OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          I WANNA SAY WITHIN TWO, UH, I GUESS, UH, IS, IS IT SATISFIES OR DOESN'T VIOLATE THE, THE, WHATEVER THE ORDINANCE IS, I MEAN, YEAH, 200 FEET FROM ANY NEIGHBOR. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK, THINK THAT'S A GOOD CLARIFICATION THAT, UM, AT ANY PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET, THE SYSTEM'S VOLUME SHALL BE ADJUSTED SO THAT IT'S NOT PLAINLY OFF. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND DROP THE SPECIFIC OF THE NATIONAL. 
          AND THAT'S, SO IT'S, IT'S IRRELEVANT. 
          IT SHOULD BE 200 FEET, RIGHT? YEAH, I I I THINK THE INTENT WAS THAT THOSE WERE THE CLOSEST PROPERTY. 
          SO, BUT YEAH. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE PUT IN OTHER, OTHER THINGS, JUST, YOU KNOW, CORRECT. 
          THE SOUND CAN'T BE HEARD, CAN'T BE PLAIN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE, WE DON'T NEED TO NAME SPECIFICALLY, BUT, BUT I GUESS REGARDLESS OF HERE, HERE'S MY QUESTION THOUGH, BECAUSE I'M, WHEN YOU SAY AT EACH LOCATION, IS IT TALKING ABOUT THE NATIONAL AND THE SLS? IT SHOULD NO, THIS LOCATION WITHIN THE DE YEAH, THERE'S SIX OUTDOOR LOCATIONS. 
          GOT IT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF THEY NEED TO TEST IT AT THE POOL, AT THE GG, AT THE, YEAH, THEY NEED TO TEST IT. 
          AND THEN I DO THINK THAT THE SECTION ABOUT, AND UH, DEBBIE, YOU MENTIONED IT, SECTION J VERSUS ANY OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, SHALL THE LAST SENTENCE SHALL BE LIMITED TO AMBIENT BACKGROUND. 
          I JUST THINK IT SHOULD SAY ANY OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT AFTER 12:00 AM YES. 
          YES. 
          IT WASN'T CLEAR. 
          YES. 
          THE OTHER IS IT, IS IT CLEAR, DEBBIE, THAT, THAT AFTER TESTING THAT THEY MUST HAVE, WHETHER IT'S DECIBEL LEVEL OR WHAT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF CONTROL CORRECT. 
          SO THAT IT DOESN'T ABOVE THE TEST. 
          CORRECT. 
          THE SOUND SYSTEM THAT'S IN HERE WILL NEED TO HAVE A LIMIT. 
          A LIMIT AND THAT THE LIMIT WILL BE PLACED DURING THE TESTING AND IS SUBJECT TO RETESTING, RIGHT? IF COMPLAINTS, YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IF THEY WILL RUN THE ENTIRE SYSTEM, THEY'VE HAD THEIR OPPORTUNITY NOT JUST ONE VENUE AT A TIME. 
          AND THAT IS A REAL PROBLEM. 
          ALRIGHT, LOOK AGAIN, THE CITY KNOWS HOW TO DO THE TESTING, TESTING, I, I WANT YOU BOTH TO SIT DOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          PLEASE, WE'LL SIT DOWN. 
          BUT ONE THING, MR. CHAIR, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. NO, YOU, YOU'VE EACH HAD AN AMPLE TIME TO TALK AND WE GET IT. 
          MR. CHAIR, I DID WANT TO JUST LOST IN THE DISCUSSION WAS THE NOTE ON THE OCCUPANCY IN SECTION FOUR B THAT IT SHOULD READ 1,424 PERSON OCCUPANCY. 
          AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THAT, MR. KADEN, IS TO MAKE IT CLEAR, BECAUSE THE SPA IS NOT PART OF THE NIE, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, THE OCCUPANCY THAT WE LISTED IS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENT, THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT. 
          SO THE, WE CAN ADD A, ANOTHER OCCUPANCY FOR THE TOTAL PROPERTY OCCUPANCY, BUT WE DIDN'T, I MEAN, THE SPA IS NOT GONNA BE INCLUDED AS PART OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENT. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S ALSO, UH, SORRY, UM, IAN PACHEKO, UM, SO THE OCCUPANCIES, THERE'S A LITTLE COFFEE SHOP IN THE LOBBY THAT'S GOT 12 SEATS. 
          THOSE SEATS WEREN'T INCLUDED HERE. 
          SO THE LIMIT SHOULD BE INCREASED TO INCLUDE THOSE 12 SEATS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENT. 
          OUR CONCERN IS THAT THE WHOLE HOTEL WILL BE LOOKED AT AS A NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENT, NOT JUST THE INDIVIDUAL VENUES WE'RE APPLYING FOR. 
          SO WHEN WE GO IN FOR, UH, CERTIFICATE OF USE FOR OUR OCCUPANT LIT CERTIFICATE OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE GONNA GET ARTIFICIALLY LIMITED TO THE NUMBERS IN THE CUP, EVEN THOUGH THOSE DON'T INCLUDE THE REST OF THE HOTEL. 
          THAT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE THERE'S . 
          YEAH, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, THE COFFEE SHOP FOR EXAMPLE, IS JUST SELLING COFFEE AND PASTRIES, THAT WOULDN'T BE INCLUDED IN THE RIGHT OVERALL. 
          SO WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO? SO I THINK WE CAN JUST MAKE IT CLEAR IN THE ORDER BY LISTING THE OTHER VENUES, THE SPA, THE COFFEE SHOP, THE LOBBY, AND THE TOTAL HOTEL OCCUPANCY. 
          BUT THAT, THAT WE ALSO LIST THE MAXIMUM NIE OCCUPANCY AND THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF SEATS FOR THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'LL BE YOUR PROMPT. 
          SO THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT WHAT'S PART OF THE NIE AND THEN WHAT'S JUST THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SEATS FOR THE PROPERTY AND, AND TO THE EXTENT, JUST TO AVOID ANY CONFUSION THERE. 
          SO LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE LOBBY OF THE HOTEL IS UNDER THE HOTEL, IT'S PART OF WHAT'S COVERED BY THE HOTEL'S LIQUOR LICENSE, BUT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE AN ENTERTAINMENT COMPONENT THERE. 
          SO THAT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED OCCUPANTS RIGHT THERE THAT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE TOTAL OCCUPANCY. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE ALCOHOL ESTABLISHMENT, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT THE WHOLE HOTEL AND ALL THE PUBLIC AREAS. 
          I, I DON'T THINK THIS ORDER NEEDS TO CONTROL THE OCCUPANCY FOR AREAS OUTSIDE OF 
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THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENT. 
          AND, AND IN FACT, THE CONDITION IS VERY CLEAR THAT, THAT IT'S THE NIE SUBJECT TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT HAS THE MAXIMUM. 
          SO DEBBIE, DO YOU THINK WE NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGE TO THAT NUMBER BASED ON THE I WOULDN'T, BUT IF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE YOUR CONCERN IS SOME CLARITY, I WOULD GET A CERTIFICATE OF USE. 
          THE CONCERN IS THE BUSINESS LICENSING AFTER THIS IS APPROVED, WHEN WE GO FOR A CERTIFICATE OF USE, PLANNING'S GONNA REVIEW IT AND THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, THIS CUP SAYS YOUR TOTAL OCCUPANCY IS LIMITED. 
          WE DON'T APPLY FOR A CU JUST FOR THESE VENUES, FOR GIGI AND FOR MIMI. 
          I DON'T THINK IT SAYS THE TOTAL OCCUPANCY IS LIMITED. 
          I THINK IT'S JUST IN THE CLASSROOM AND EVERYTHING HOUSE. 
          UM, I MEAN IS THERE ANY MERIT TO THAT? THE, THAT THE PLANNING WHEN THEY TRY TO GET A CERTIFICATE? NO, I JUST, AND I CAN'T THINK OF AN INSTANCE WHERE WE, WE'VE INCLUDED THOSE TYPES OF AREAS, RIGHT. 
          THAT AREN'T PART OF THE, RIGHT. 
          SO YEAH, YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          SO, SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENT IS THE DELANO HOTEL, RIGHT? IT'S NOT JUST GIGI AND MIMI AND FOUR B SPECIFICALLY SAYS THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENT SUBJECT TO THE CP SHALL HAVE A MAXIMUM OCCUPANT CONTENT OF 1,124. 
          I'M SAYING THAT 1,124 DOESN'T INCLUDE THE LOBBY. 
          IT DOESN'T INCLUDE, ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I HAVE TO DEFER TO STEPH ON THAT. 
          YEAH, I MEAN WE LISTED THE VENUES, RIGHT? SO CAN YOU JUST SAY LISTED BELOW, LIKE THE VENUES ARE THAT ARE LISTED ARE PART OF THE NIE, SO MAYBE WE CAN JUST INCLUDE A SENTENCE THAT SAY ALL AREAS WITHIN THE HOTEL THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THIS ORDER SHALL BE SEPARATE FOR PURPOSES OF OCCUPANCY. 
          YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. 
          AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT CONVERTED SO THAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WELL, YOU CAN ADD THAT TOO. 
          RIGHT? UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND THAT'S AGREEABLE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU GOT THAT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, JERRY? NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT TESTING. 
          I DON'T REALLY PUT A LOT OF CREDENCE INTO TESTING BECAUSE WHEN YOU TEST IT, IT'S ALL CONTROLLED, YOU KNOW, CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          BUT WHEN YOU GO TO OPEN UP OR AFTER YOU'RE OPEN, YOU KNOW, ALL IT TAKES IS SOMEONE TO TURN THE VOLUME OFF A LITTLE TO THE RIGHT OR, OR TURN A SPEAKER ONE WAY AND IT, IT CHANGES EVERYTHING. 
          RIGHT? AGAIN, THAT'S COMPLYING WITH THE CP AS LONG AS WE HAVE IN THE CP, YOU KNOW, THE CH THE CHANGES WE MADE WERE THE MUSIC, THE SOUND CAN'T BE, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE OR HOWEVER WE PHRASE IT. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          THE CONTROL. 
          WE TALKED, SOMEONE MENTIONED THE CONTROL IS US IS THIS BOARD, IF THEY VIOLATED, THEY COME BACK HERE. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN LACKS IN LAX IN THE PAST IN, IN, IN, IN, YEAH. 
          I MEAN WHEN I FIRST STARTED, WE HAVEN'T REALLY, UH, I'M GOING BACK TO THE GOOD TIME HOTEL , YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WENT ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND, UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T CONTROL THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THEY COME BACK TO US, IF IT COMES BACK TO US AND THERE ARE VIOLATIONS, WE NEED TO NOT SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, LET'S DO ANOTHER SOUND TEST OR, OR KNOW DO THIS OR THEY'RE GONNA PROMISE THIS. 
          WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION. 
          YEAH. 
          IF THAT'S THE CASE, I DON'T OKAY WITH THIS. 
          ASSUMING THEY'RE GOOD FAITH, HAVE COMPLAINTS, HAVE FAITH IN THE APPLICANT, AND I DO. 
          AND, AND, UM, RIGHT NOW, BUT IF THEY COME BACK TO US AND THERE'S A PROBLEM, THEN WE'LL DEAL WITH IT THEN AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL DEAL WITH IT AND NOT PUT IT OFF FOR ANOTHER FEW MONTHS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION. 
          FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST, KENT, THANK YOU NEESON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CON AND SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE STRIKING A BALANCE. 
          AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S ALWAYS TOUGH FOR US, BUT WE WANT BUSINESS TO SUCCEED. 
          WE WANT RESIDENTS TO HAVE QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DO OUR BEST. 
          SO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION. 
          WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE MODIFICATION, THE TWEAKS TO THE LANGUAGE AS DISCUSSED IN THOSE TWO SECTIONS. 
          UM, WHAT DID WE SAY ABOUT THE OCCUPANCY? NO, THEY'RE GONNA FIGURE IT OUT. 
          THEY'RE GONNA FIX THAT UP. 
          THEY'RE GONNA FIX, YOU'RE GONNA, YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA, THAT'S MORE ADMINISTRATIVE. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? NOPE, I'LL SECOND. 
          BUT THE TWEAKS BEING 200 FEET FROM EACH LOCATION TESTED CORRECT. 
          REGARDLESS OF THE NAME OF THE BUILDING. 
          THAT'S 200 FEET AWAY AND I'M THRILLED TO HAVE THE ANO BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          UM, I THINK WITH THIS ONE WE CAN JUST SAY ALL IN FAVOR. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANYONE OPPOSED? OKAY. 
          YAY. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          I REALLY AMM SERIOUS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE YES, I WOULD. 
          A, A TOUR OF THE HOTEL. 
          LET LET US KNOW. 
          YOU WILL BE. 
          WHEN DO THEY OPEN? OH, TOTALLY. 
          APRIL 27TH. 
          OH. 
          THE FIRST GUESTS WILL COME IN. 
          THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE AVAILABLE FOR FORMULA ONE. 
          WOW. 
          AND, UH, I REALLY, UH, I I THINK YOU'D BE SO HAPPY TO SEE WHAT'S BEEN DONE. 
          IT REALLY FAR EXCEEDS THE ORIGINAL RECREATION OF THE DELANO IN 1995. 
          IT'S JUST, I I'VE BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME. 
          , WILL, UH, MADONNA BE THERE, ? NO, BY THE WAY, DECENT. 
          ISN'T THE GALE THE CLOSEST HOTEL TO YOU? OR AM I, ISN'T THE GALE EVEN CLOSER TO YOU? YES, ACROSS THE STREET. 
          ACROSS THE STREET. 
          YEAH. 
          ACROSS THE STREET. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S BEHIND WHERE THE MUSIC IS AT NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. MR. CHAIR. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE COMMENT SINCE IT CAME UP DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, 
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BUT IT'S REALLY MORE OF A, OF A, OF A ZONING ISSUE IS, UM, A REFERENCE WAS MADE TO THE RESTAURANT SUPPER CLUB REGULATIONS, WHICH THIS BOARD MAY REMEMBER, UH, REVIEWING, UH, A FEW YEARS AGO. 
          THAT ORDINANCE UNFORTUNATELY WAS IMPACTED BY SENATE BILL 180, WHICH WAS ADOPTED, UH, LAST YEAR BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE. 
          ESSENTIALLY PREEMPTING THE CITY FROM ADOPTING MORE RESTRICTIVE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION OR COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. 
          SO AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS, WE CANNOT ENFORCE THE RESTAURANT SUPPER CLUB ORDINANCE. 
          UM, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT MAKING ANY COMMENTS TO WHETHER IT APPLIES TO, TO THIS PROPERTY OR NOT. 
          I JUST WANT THE BOARD TO BE AWARE THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE ORDINANCES THAT, THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS PREEMPTED. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA TAKE FIVE MINUTES 'CAUSE I THINK YOUR LUNCHES ARE HERE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM, SO I GOTTA HEAD OUT, BUT GOD BLESS YOU. 
          OH, YOU DO? YEAH. 
          ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WELCOME BACK. 
          I'M SORRY THAT WAS A LITTLE LONGER THAN I SAID, BUT WE'RE READY TO PROCEED WITH THE LAST TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. 
          UM, 
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PLANNING BOARD FILE 20 PB 25 0 8 12, AND OH 8 1 3 ALTON CITY CENTER OVERLAY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LDR AMENDMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, THIS, BOTH OF THESE APPLICATIONS WERE STRONGLY ALLUDED TO, UM, AT THE EARLIER DISCUSSION, UM, REGARDING THE LINCOLN ROAD, UH, RESIDENTIAL INCENTIVES. 
          THIS IS SPECIFIC TO, UM, THE ALTON WEST AVENUE PARCEL, WHICH IN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION WAS AREA ONE B. 
          UM, THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF INCENTIVES FOR NON-TRANSIENT RESIDENTIAL, UH, USES FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED BETWEEN LINCOLN ROAD AND 17TH STREET FROM WEST AVENUE TO ALTON ROAD. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, REQUESTING AN FAR INCREASE, UM, UP TO A 3.5. 
          THAT WOULD BE A BONUS OF A 1.5 ABOVE WHAT'S PERMITTED TODAY. 
          UM, A DENSITY BONUS OF 50 UNIT DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE FOR A MAXIMUM TOTAL DENSITY ALLOWED AT 150 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          AN INCREASE IN HEIGHT FROM 65 FEET TO 150 FEET. 
          UM, A REQUIREMENT THAT A MINIMUM RESIDENTIAL UNIT SIZE OF 500 FEET, UM, THEY WOULD PROFFER, UM, IN ORDER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE, THAT ALL RESIDENTIAL USES HAVE A RESTRICTED COVENANT THAT DOES NOT PERMIT ANY SHORT TERM RENTAL OF ANY OF THESE UNITS. 
          UM, THE PROPOSAL ALSO INCLUDES A REQUIREMENT THAT 50% OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE OF THE GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION BE, UM, RESIDENTIAL USE. 
          UM, THEY ARE, UM, PROPOSING A SMALLER MICRO MOBILITY COMPONENT THAN WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY WITHOUT A, AN ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT. 
          UM, BASICALLY THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE PROPOSED, UM, LINCOLN ROAD RESIDENTIAL INCENTIVES. 
          THE TWO, UM, THE TWO DIFFERENCES THAT ARE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ARE, NUMBER ONE, THE PERCENTAGE OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS REQUIRED. 
          THE PREVIOUS LINCOLN ROAD, UM, INCENTIVE ORDINANCE THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS THAT ALL SQUARE FOOTAGE ABOVE THE GROUND FLOOR, THE RESIDENTIAL. 
          NOW THE PLANNING BOARD HAS MADE A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION REGARDING THAT. 
          UM, BUT NONETHELESS, THAT'S HOW IT WAS ORIGINALLY DRAFTED. 
          AND THE SECOND LARGEST DIFFERENCE IS THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE UP TO 100% OF THE REQUIRED PARKING IN TIER ONE. 
          WHILE NONE OF IT WOULD BE REQUIRED, UM, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE UP TO 100%. 
          UM, AGAIN, THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE LINCOLN ROAD OVERALL INCENTIVES, BUT THE PLANNING BOARD DID MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, UM, FOR A WAIVER PROCESS FOR UP TO 80% OF THE REQUIRED PARKING. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, I, WE CAN TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. 
          AND JUST SO THE BOARD NOTES, WHAT WE ARE DOING TODAY WOULD BE MOVING IT FORWARD TO THE, UM, PUBLIC, UH, OUT, OUT OUTREACH. 
          I BELIEVE SO, RIGHT? MR. CHAIR, UH, MEMBERS OF THE P BOARD, SSON KADEN, AND CECILIA TODOS TOLEDO OF AKERMAN REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT AND THE PRINCIPAL, DAVE BERG IS HERE AS WELL. 
          UH, AT FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH WHAT YOU HAVE JUST REFERENCED, THAT THIS IS, THIS IS NOT THE MEETING AT WHICH YOU'LL BE TAKING ACTION ON THE ITEM MAKING YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT IS TO THE CITY COMMISSION. 
          THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS IS TO GO TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND GET THAT FEEDBACK AND THEN REPORT BACK TO YOUR BOARD FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          WITH THAT SAID, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE PUT THE PRESENTATION UP. 
          UM, 
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I THOUGHT THAT THE, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE DISCUSSION YOU HAD EARLIER TODAY WAS VERY INFORMATIVE AND CONSTRUCTIVE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND COMMISSIONER SUAREZ AND, AND DAVID'S, UH, PARTICIPATION. 
          UH, AND SO A LOT WAS COVERED, BUT THERE ARE, AS I THINK, UH, JONATHAN FRIEDEN POINTED OUT, THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES TO SOME OF THIS. 
          AND AS, AS SCOTT NEEDLEMAN POINTED OUT SOME DIFFERENCES TO SOME OF THE SUB AREAS WHICH I THINK ARE RELEVANT TO OUR DISCUSSION HERE. 
          UM, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR, WE'RE GONNA CALL THIS THE EPICURE BLOCK. 
          UH, EVERYONE FONDLY REMEMBERS AND MISSES EPICURE. 
          THAT BLOCK IS NOW, UH, VACANT, UH, AND THAT PORTION OF THE FORMER EPICURE SITE. 
          BUT ALSO, IF YOU LOOK WITHIN A HALF MILE RADIUS ON ALTON ROAD, THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF VACANCIES. 
          AND SO THAT IS A PART OF TOWN THAT NEEDS REVITALIZATION. 
          I'M GONNA STEP ONE STEP AHEAD OF MY, UH, PRESENTATION AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT, UH, LOCALIZED LIVING, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS IS COMING DOWN TO. 
          AND IT'S A THREE LEGGED STOOL. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE, WHERE THEY CAN WORK, AND WHERE THEY CAN BUY THEIR GOODS AND NECESSITIES AND ENJOY THEMSELVES. 
          IF YOU'RE MISSING ONE OF THOSE LEGS OF THE STOOL, IT DOESN'T WORK. 
          IF YOU HAVE ONLY RESIDENTIAL AND YOU DON'T HAVE OFFICE OR PLACES TO SUPPORT JOBS, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK. 
          YOU KNOW, AND YOU ALSO NEED THE MARKETS AND OTHER THINGS TO SUSTAIN LIFE. 
          SIMILARLY, IF YOU ONLY HAVE OFFICES AND YOU DON'T HAVE RESIDENTIAL, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK. 
          WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, EVERYONE'S GONNA HAVE TO COMMUTE IN AND OUT TO GO TO THEIR PLACES. 
          AND SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HAPPEN IN THE METROPOLITAN AREA, AND I MENTIONED IT EARLIER, COCONUT GROVE, TWO AREAS IN CARL GABLES, FRANKLY, I'M BEGINNING TO SEE IT HAPPEN IN THE SUNSET HARBOR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH OFFICES DEVELOPING THERE. 
          SO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO COMMUTE TO GO TO THEIR OFFICES, I MEAN, IN THE SOUTH OF FIFTH AREA. 
          AND THAT GETS US TO THE PROVEN MODEL FOR SUCCESS FOR WHAT DAVID IS PROPOSING FOR THIS BLOCK, WHICH IS SUNSET HARBOR. 
          SUNSET HARBOR, LIKE ALTON ROAD, HISTORICALLY IN THIS CITY, WAS BASICALLY A SERVICE STREET FOR LOCAL NEEDS. 
          IT HAD GARAGES, IT HAD WAREHOUSES, MY DAD'S WAREHOUSES ON ALTON ROAD YEARS AGO. 
          UH, BUT THOSE USES BECAME OBSOLETE AND WERE, UH, ABANDONED OR NOT USED. 
          SUNSET HARBOR WAS EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. 
          NOW SUNSET HARBOR'S A VERY VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? IT HAPPENED BY THE CHANGES IN ZONING THAT INCENTIVIZE RESIDENTIAL, BUT ALSO OFFICE AND ALSO RETAIL. 
          AND SO SUNSET HARBOR IS A GOOD MODEL FOR WHAT CAN HAPPEN IN THIS IMPORTANT, UH, NEXUS OF ALTON ROAD AND 17TH STREET. 
          UM, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DAVID IN A MINUTE. 
          INFINITY COLLECTIVE, HIS COMPANY HAS A VERY IMPRESSIVE RECORD OF DOING FINE PROJECTS WITH GREAT SENSITIVITY TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AMONG THEM INCLUDES THE RENOVATION AND OPERATION OF THE ESME HOTEL. 
          I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS THAT'S, IT IS A SPECTACULAR JOB ON THAT. 
          ON ELLO WAY, THE VARIETY HOTEL ON 17TH STREET, THEY ALSO RENOVATED AND OPERATE AS WELL. 
          THEY HAVE PROPERTIES ON OCEAN DRIVE, ALSO ON BISCAYNE BOULEVARD IN MIAMI. 
          AND THEY'RE DOING A MAJOR, UH, LIVE LOCAL RESIDENTIAL PROJECT IN LITTLE RIVER. 
          THEY KNOW RESIDENTIAL, THEY KNOW, UH, THEY KNOW OFFICE AND THEY KNOW COMMUNITIES. 
          THE ALTON CITY CENTER OVERLAY, UH, INCLUDES MULTIPLE PROPERTIES, NOT JUST THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT, UH, OUR CLIENT HAS, WHICH IS 1677 WEST ON THE ALTON ROAD PROPERTIES. 
          BUT THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH HAS A BLOCK. 
          UH, THE TRADE, THERE'S THE TRADER JOE'S PROPERTY, THERE'S THE US POST OFFICE. 
          ONE THING I WANT TO MENTION AS WELL, 'CAUSE IT HAS COME UP IN DISCUSSION, IS THE, UH, HEIGHT, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE AS THE ONE THIS MORNING AS WELL TALKS ABOUT 150 FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          150 FEET IN HEIGHT IS ABSOLUTELY CONTEXTUAL FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT A REAL LIVE SHOT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH HAS, UH, BUILDINGS ACTUALLY, IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE FLAMINGO AND FIVE PARK MUCH TALLER. 
          BUT YOU ALSO SEE BUILDINGS ACROSS WEST AVENUE, ACROSS ALTON ROAD, WHERE THE PARKING GARAGE IS WELL OVER A HUNDRED FEET AND TALL. 
          THE HEIGHT THAT THEY'RE SEEKING IS, IS QUITE CONTEXTUAL. 
          IN FACT, I THINK, UH, MORE WOULD HAVE WORKED BETTER IN TERMS OF THE EFFICIENCY OF THE PROJECT. 
          BUT THE PLANNING STAFF AND, AND COMMISSIONER SUAREZ REALLY WANTED TO LI HOLD THE LINE AT THAT. 
          SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO DAVID TO TAKE YOU THROUGH HOW A PROJECT LIKE HE'S PROPOSING WORKS WITH THIS OVERLAY ZONING. 
          THANK YOU AGAIN. 
          DAVID BERG, 
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UH, INFINITY COLLECTIVE ON BEHALF OF, UH, ALTON VENTURES. 
          SO WE'RE, I THINK I'M GONNA TRY TO FLY THROUGH THIS SINCE WE HAD A DEEP CONVERSATION EARLIER. 
          UM, BUT I DO WANNA SPECIFY, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT THIS IS AN ACTUAL PROJECT. 
          UH, IT'S STILL IN CONCEPT AND DESIGN, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S NOT, UH, THEORETICAL IN TERMS OF LEGISLATION. 
          SO YOU CAN REALLY SEE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          SO THREE OF OUR FOUR PLANS, UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT WE MENTIONED EARLIER, JUST 'CAUSE IT APPLIES TO OUR PROJECT, IS A COUPLE THINGS. 
          ONE, THIS IS NOT A SPOT ZONING, IT'S AN OVERLAY DISTRICT. 
          OBVIOUSLY NICK CAN GIVE YOU THE LEGAL TERMS ON THAT, BUT IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A SPOT ZONING. 
          WE ARE, WE ARE GRATEFUL TO BE INCLUDED IN COMMISSIONER SUAREZ'S LEGISLATION, BUT THIS IS A PRIVATE APPLICATION FOR THE ALTON ROAD, UM, OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH IS A SEPARATE ORDINANCE ENTIRELY FROM COMMISSIONER SUAREZ'S LEGISLATION. 
          UM, TWO, WE ARE NOT PLANNING ON BUILDING ANY, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          SO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 17 WEST, WHICH HAS A LICENSE AND IT'S ALREADY APPROVED, HAS I THINK 24, 28 SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT WOULD STAY IN PLACE. 
          UM, AND THERE'LL BE A COVENANT IN LIEU WITH THAT PROPERTY FOR THE PURPOSES OF, UM, OF THE ALLEYWAY AND SHARED AND SHARED PARKING, ET CETERA. 
          BUT, UM, IT WE'RE, WE HAVE NO INTENTION. 
          AND OUR FULLY, I THINK OUR APPLICATION INCLUDES NO SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN ANY, ANY NEW BUILD THAT WE HAVE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S THE, THOSE ARE A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO ADDRESS. 
          THE, ON OUR PROJECT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE IS AN ECOSYSTEM, AS I MENTIONED, OF LITTLE WORK AND PLAY AND A, A LOT OF CONNECTIVITY TO ALTON ROAD AND TO LINCOLN ROAD FROM WEST AVENUE. 
          SO WE SPENT, UM, MANY, MANY HOURS. 
          THE RESIDENTS SPOKEN TO PROBABLY OVER A HUNDRED OF THEM. 
          WE PROVIDED 19 LETTERS OF SUPPORT. 
          WE HAVE MORE COMING IN FOR THE NEXT, UH, HEARING. 
          BUT THESE LETTERS OF SUPPORT INCLUDE LOCAL BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS. 
          UH, THE ALTON ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AS TIM SPOKE EARLIER, UH, SOAPY WEST IS SUPPORTIVE OF US. 
          SO THERE'LL BE, UH, MAJOR EMPLOYERS SUCH AS THINK HOSPITALITY, UM, VE HOSPITALITY, UH, THE FOUNTAIN BLUE WHO HAVE EMPLOYEES HERE. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING TO, TO EMPLOYERS LIKE MOUNT SINAI AND LOOKING TO CREATE WAYS TO HOUSE THEIR EMPLOYEES AND PROVIDE SHUTTLE SYSTEMS TO THE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS FROM, YOU KNOW, OUR PROPERTY FOR OUR RESIDENTS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, NURSES OR GENERAL MANAGERS, ET CETERA, CAN LIVE AT OUR PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN FOUNTAIN BLUE, FOR INSTANCE, COULD BRING A SHUTTLE AND BRING 40 PEOPLE TO THEIR, TO FOUNTAIN BLUE VERSUS THE MO HAVING ONE INDIVIDUAL CAR. 
          UM, BUT WE, IN, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE ALSO REALIZE THAT PEOPLE WILL WALK NORTH TO SUNSET HARBOR AND THEY'LL WALK SOUTH TO, TO SOUTH OF FIFTH ON WEST AVENUE, BUT THEY WILL NOT REALLY WALK EAST TO CROSS, UH, ALTON ROAD. 
          AND THAT'S WHY LINCOLN ROAD HAS SUFFERED ON LINCOLN ROAD WEST FOR THE VACANCIES. 
          AND IT'S ALSO WHY ALTON ROAD HAS SUFFERED. 
          IT'S ALSO WHY SOME OF THESE GARAGE SPACES LIKE 11 AND LINCOLN THAT MAY HAVE VACANCY AT NIGHT, MAKE IT CHALLENGING FOR RESIDENTS TO LIVE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA CROSS ALTON ROAD TO GET TO THEIR, TO THEIR, TO THEIR PARKING SPACES. 
          UM, SO WHAT WE WANNA DO IS CREATE THIS BREEZEWAY SIMILAR TO SUNSET HARBOR, WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN ENTRANCE ON OFF WEST AVENUE ENTRANCE ON ALTON ROAD AND A BIG, UM, EO LIKE EXPERIENCE IN THIS BREEZEWAY WHERE THERE'LL BE CAFE SEATING. 
          IT'LL BE VERY INVITING. 
          IT'LL BE A NICE CONNECTIVITY TO ALLOW MORE, UH, COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE STREETS AND REALLY DRIVE TRAFFIC TO THE ULTIMATE ROAD CORRIDOR AND LINCOLN ROAD WEST TO DEAL WITH ALL THESE VACANCIES. 
          AS, AS NISHA SHOWED, THERE'S OVER 30 VACANCIES WITHIN, UM, A HALF MILE RADIUS. 
          AND WE THINK THAT COMES FROM LACK OF RESIDENTS USING THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. 
          UM, SO AS YOU'LL SEE, JUST AS, AS THE DESIGN, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY GARDEN. 
          THAT WAS ONE OF OUR, ONE OF OUR PUBLIC BENEFITS. 
          I'LL GET INTO THAT LATER. 
          WE SPOKE A LOT WITH COMMUNITY TO GEN TO GENERATE PUBLIC BENEFITS FOR EVERYBODY. 
          UM, SO WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE COMMUNITY GARDEN SPACE. 
          YOU'LL SEE A, A BIKE ROOM SPACE FOR, UM, FOR MICRO MOBILITY. 
          WE ALSO HAVE THAT UP GOING THROUGH THE GARAGE. 
          UM, AND WE'RE SEPARATING THE OFFICE LOBBY AND THE RESIDENTIAL LOBBY SO THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES. 
          OUR SITE ALLOWS US, 'CAUSE IT'S 300 FEET PLUS OF, OF LINEAR FRONTAGE, TO HAVE THIS FLEXIBILITY. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE MANY SITES WILL HAVE THAT. 
          UM, WE ARE PROVIDING A, A PUBLIC PO UH, PADDLE COURT FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO ANYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS MY BEACH RESIDENT CAN BOOK IT ON AN APP AND USE IT. 
          UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, GROUND FLOOR RETAIL, WHICH WE THINK IS, IS CRITICAL TO DRIVE, UH, FOOT TRAFFIC AND, AND, AND VIBRANCY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO THIS IS A JUST A QUICK STACKING PLAN, UM, OF OUR PROJECT. 
          ESSENTIALLY YOU HAVE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL, SECOND FLOOR RETAIL. 
          WE'RE REALLY LEANING INTO THE BLUE ZONE INITIATIVE. 
          WE WANT THIS TO BE A BLUE ZONE CERTIFIED BUILDING. 
          UM, WHAT THAT MEANS IS A LOT OF COMMUNITY SPACE, A LOT OF SHARED SPACES, A LOT OF OUTDOOR SPACES, A LOT OF WALKABILITY. 
          UM, THERE'S, THERE'S MANY, THERE'S NINE FOUNDATIONS OF BLUE ZONES THAT I CAN PROBABLY TALK YOUR YEAR OFF ANOTHER MEETING. 
          BUT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY DESIGNATING ABOUT 4,000 SQUARE FEET ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO BE A BLUE ZONE HUB FOR R BEACH RESIDENTS. 
          AND THERE'LL BE LONGEVITY, UH, UH, DISCUSSIONS AND, AND, AND PROFESSIONALS AND MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS AND SPECIALIZED, UH, YOU KNOW, SERVICES FOR LONGEVITY. 
          UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE OFFICE COMPONENT IS VERTICAL, BUT IT'S A BOUTIQUE, IT'S A BOUTIQUE OFFICE COMPONENT OF ABOUT 4,000 SQUARE FEET PER, PER EACH SPACE 
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AT THE, THE TOTAL FOUR PLATES, EIGHT, 9,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          WE, DEMI, WE DEMISE THAT INTO, YOU KNOW, 2, 3, 4 SPACES. 
          AND THE IDEA THERE IS TO HAVE OFFICE SPACE FROM BEACH RESIDENCE. 
          UM, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BULK OF THE BUILDING IS, IS RESIDENTIAL UNITS OVER TWO THIRDS OF FOUR PLATE. 
          AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS, I, WE THINK THAT A PANCAKE LIKE FOUR FLOORPLATE IS MUCH LESS ATTRACTIVE THAN THE BOUTIQUE FLOOR PLATES AS WE'RE, AS WE'RE DESIGNING. 
          UM, THE ROOFTOP IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          THERE'S NO OUTDOOR MUSIC, THERE'S NOTHING OF THAT NATURE. 
          IT'S JUST A, A, A POOL AND AMENITY SPACE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE BUILDING. 
          SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC AND CARS. 
          UH, WE'RE USING THIS TO POINT OUT THAT DESPITE POPULATION GOING DOWN OVER THE YEARS, TRAFFIC HAS GONE UP. 
          AND SO WE THINK THAT OUR BELIEF IS THAT THE DATA SHOWS THAT TRAFFIC IS DRIVEN BY, UM, PEOPLE COMMUTING TO AND FROM WORK TO THE BEACH AND NOT LIVING HERE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY HAVING THE OFFICE COMPONENT AND THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IS SO IMPORTANT. 
          HERE'S THE CONCEPTUAL MASSING OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, AGAIN, WE CONSIDER THIS TO BE MID-RISE AND VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO WE DIDN'T LIST ALL OF OUR BENEFITS HERE, BUT I'LL, I'LL MEMORIALIZE THEM, UH, VERBALLY WITH YOU. 
          BUT, UM, THROUGH THIS PROJECT, WE WOULD DELIVER APPROXIMATELY 184 UNITS TO THE, TO THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND MAKE THIS KIND OF LIKE AN ECONOMIC HUB FOR ULTIMATE CORRIDOR. 
          WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, REVITALIZE THIS HISTORIC STRETCH, WHICH HAS NOW BEEN A VACANT SITE FOR MANY YEARS. 
          UNDER THE AUT PLAN, UH, WE'RE GONNA ADD NEIGHBORHOOD USES IN RETAIL. 
          WE, AS WE HAVE MENTIONED PUBLICLY, UH, WE ARE NEAR EXECUTION WITH A REPLACEMENT FOR EPICURE, A NEW AGE EPICURE, WHICH IS NOT, I WOULDN'T CALL IT A GROCER AND I WOULDN'T CALL IT A FRESH MARKET, BUT IT'S A HYBRID OF BOTH. 
          THERE'LL BE COFFEE BAR, BAKERY, HOT BAR, UH, PREPARED FOODS, UM, KIND OF LIKE A CINDERELLA OR LIKE A ROUND SWAMP, UM, OR AIR ONE AS A GOOD, GOOD EXAMPLE. 
          UM, WE'RE, WE'RE PROVIDING HOUSING THROUGH THE MISSING MIDDLE. 
          THIS IS LARGELY, UH, ACCOMPLISHED BY THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT, BUT THIS IS THIS, WE'RE LOOKING TO DO RENTAL APARTMENTS. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CAN BE STIPULATED IN OUR, IN OUR ORDER. 
          WE HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT. 
          UM, THAT'S OUR BUSINESS PLAN. 
          THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THAT BY PRI PROVIDING RENTAL APARTMENTS AT THIS LEVEL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YEAR ROUND OCCUPANCY. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE SNOWBIRDS, IT'S NOT GONNA BE VACANT IN THE SUMMER MONTHS. 
          AND AS A RESULT, IT'LL BE YEAR ROUND TRAFFIC FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR SALES TO THE RESTAURANTS AND THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, WE'RE REDUCING THE TRAFFIC. 
          THE CURRENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED UNDER THE SERV GAME WAS 250,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE. 
          LARGE FOUR PLATE WOULD'VE ATTRACTED HUNDREDS, IF NOT A THOUSAND EMPLOYEES COMMUTING IN AND OUTTA MIAMI BEACH, NOT LIVING HERE. 
          SO THIS ACTUALLY SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCES THE TRAFFIC. 
          WE'VE SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC PLAN WITH OUR APPLICATION PROVIDED BY KIMLEY HORNE, WHICH SHOWS THAT, UM, WE'RE ENCOURAGING FOOT TRAFFIC AND MICRO MOBILITY. 
          UH, WE'RE STRENGTHENING THE LOCAL ECONOMY. 
          AND THOSE ARE SOME OF OUR, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE THINK OUR PROJECT BENEFITS IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY BENEFITS. 
          UM, WE ARE OFFERING A PADDLE COURT TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE'RE PROVIDING COMMUNITY GARDENS. 
          WE'RE PROVIDING MICRO MOBILITY. 
          WE WANT, WE'RE TALKING TO EMPLOYERS ABOUT SHUTTLE SERVICES TO REDUCE TRAFFIC. 
          UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE BEARING ALL THE FPL LINES IN THE, UH, THE ALLEYWAY. 
          WE ARE LANDSCAPING THE ALLEYWAY AND BEAUTIFYING IT. 
          WE ARE BEAUTIFYING THE LANDSCAPING SURROUNDING THE PARKING LOT OF THIS AT THE CITY. 
          UH, NEIGHBORS WITH US TO THE BACK ON THE WEST. 
          UM, WE ARE, WE'VE AGREED WITH SOVIET WEST TO FUND, UH, TO, TO PROVIDE FUNDING SUPPORT FOR THE ALTON COURT PARKLETS, WHICH I THINK IS ON 10TH, 14TH AND MAYBE EIGHTH STREET. 
          BUT THERE'S LIKE THREE ROUNDABOUTS OFF OF, UH, WEST AVENUE ALTON COURTS. 
          UM, WE'RE ALSO, AS WE MENTIONED WITH OUR COMMERCIAL PARKING, WE'LL BE OFFERING ALL OF THOSE SPACES THAT WILL NOT BE USED DURING THE, YOU KNOW, NON-COMMERCIAL HOURS TO RESIDENTS MIAMI BEACH, AT THE MIAMI BEACH PARKING RATES. 
          SO ANYONE THAT LIVES ON WEST AVENUE GOES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD MAY PARK OVERNIGHT IN THE, UH, IN THE GARAGE AT THE, WHATEVER THE DOLLAR AN HOUR RATE IS. 
          UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HEALTHY AND C COMMUNITY DRIVEN, UH, LIVING SIMILAR TO THE BOO ZONE INITIATIVES IS AN IMPORTANT FACTOR AND WILL BECOME A GROWING FACTOR AS NEW COMMUNITIES ARE BUILT. 
          AND WE'RE INCORPORATING THAT, UH, INITIATIVE AND WE, WE HOPE TO BE CERTIFIED BY THEM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH OUR PROJECT. 
          SO WE, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, UH, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          WE'VE ATTENDED THREE OR FOUR TOWN HALLS BETWEEN SOY WEST AND WAV. 
          NOW WE'VE PRESENTED TO, UH, BROAD GROUPS OF A HUNDRED PLUS PEOPLE. 
          WE'VE PRESENTED TO SMALL GROUPS THAT COME TO OUR OFFICE. 
          ANYONE THAT HAS REACHED OUT TO US HAS, WE'VE MET WITH, THERE'S NOT A SINGLE MEETING WE'VE EVER DECLINED. 
          AND EVEN, UM, ONE GROUP, UH, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WEAVERING ON SUPPORT OR NOT SUPPORT, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY STAND. 
          WE'VE HAD OVER 10 CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM. 
          SO WE'RE NOT HIDING FROM ANYBODY. 
          WE'RE WE WANNA MEET WITH EVERYBODY. 
          WE WANT, WE WANT COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. 
          AND OUR PUBLIC BENEFITS ARE DRIVEN BY THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. 
          A COMMUNITY GARDEN WAS NOT INCLUDED INITIALLY. 
          A PADDLE COURT WAS NOT INCLUDED INITIALLY. 
          SO THESE ARE ALL CONTINUED FEEDBACK ITEMS THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THEM, INCLUDING THE PARKING. 
          UH, I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO NECESSARILY GET INTO THIS. 
          NO, WE DON'T. 
          THIS, WE CAN SKIP THIS. 
          UH, THESE WERE JUST THE DIFFERENCES 
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WITH THE LINCOLN ROAD LEGISLATION THAT WE PRESENTED. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          AND ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR AT THIS POINT IS TO PROCEED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, PROCESS. 
          IT'S A JUST DISCUSSION ITEM FOR YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANYBODY IN HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS? NO. 
          ANYONE ON ZOOM? YES. 
          OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS VALERIE NAVARETTE. 
          WELCOME BACK VALERIE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. 
          SO, JUST AGAIN, BEING, UH, UH, FAST, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO, UH, UH, SAY AGAIN MY SUPPORT TO THIS PROJECT WITH THE CURRENT, UH, PARKING, UH, SITUATION. 
          UM, ALLOW THEM TO HAVE ALL THE PARKING THAT THEY CAN OFFER. 
          I BELIEVE THAT 14,000, UH, SQUARE FEET OF, UH, YOU KNOW, SCOOTERS AND  PARKING IS THE SIZE OF A MERCEDES DEALERSHIP. 
          I DON'T THINK WE NEED ALL THAT. 
          SO WE DEFINITELY NEED PARKING FOR CARS. 
          WE ARE ALREADY SUFFERING, UH, A LOT OF TRAFFIC FOR PEOPLE DRIVING AROUND LOOKING FOR PARKING AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE ALREADY LOST PARKING WITH THE CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND ONCE THE STREET RACING, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL COMPLETE. 
          WE HAVE LOST ALL OF IT, BASICALLY. 
          SO, UH, THINKING THAT PEOPLE THAT WILL MOVE INTO THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL NOT HAVE CARS, IS NOT REALISTIC. 
          THEY WILL HAVE CARS, THEY'LL BE PARKED, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO WALK ALL OVER, BUT LIKE MOST OF US, THEY WILL HAVE CARS AND THE POLICE LET THEM HAVE THEIR PARKING. 
          OTHERWISE, IT WILL AFFECT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE SENSE THAT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF OUR PROPERTIES IN CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY, EVERY SINGLE DAY. 
          AND IN ADDITION, THEY'RE OFFERING US THE NIGHT PARK, UH, NIGHT PARKING FOR THE RESIDENTS. 
          SO THIS IS ABSOLUTELY AWESOME. 
          UM, COMPARING WITH THE GARAGES AROUND AT $20 AN HOUR, PARKING IS NOT VISIBLE FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE HERE. 
          THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH AND HAVE A LOVELY AFTERNOON. 
          THANK YOU VALERIE. 
          OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ANABEL LAP LOPEZ. 
          HI. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR MEMBERS AND CITY STAFF. 
          ANABEL YPI, LINCOLN ROAD BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. 
          I'M CALLING HERE ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD TO SHOW, UM, AND SPEAK ABOUT OUR SUPPORT. 
          THIS IS A WONDERFUL QUALITY MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE COULD NOT BE MORE WELCOMING. 
          UM, TWO THIRDS RESIDENTIAL IS KEY AS WELL AS OFFICE. 
          WE NEED, UM, DAYTIME TRAFFIC TO REALLY PATRONIZE OUR RESTAURANTS, OUR CAFES, AND OUR RETAIL. 
          AND THIS PROJECT REALLY, REALLY CHECKS ALL THE BOXES THAT WILL BE POSITIVE FOR THE ENTIRE DISTRICT. 
          SO WE ARE HERE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT AND WE WANTED TO SHARE OUR SUPPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO MORE. 
          OKAY. 
          CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          CAN I JUST MAKE ONE QUICK COMMENT? SORRY. 
          SURE. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA ADDRESS ONE OF, UH, MR. HAM'S COMMENTS EARLIER. 
          OUR PROJECT, WHICH I CAN SHOW YOU, HA, DOES HAVE SETBACKS. 
          SO BY, UM, BY ELECTION WE'VE CHOSEN TO HAVE SETBACKS ON THE STREET. 
          UM, I THINK ABOVE THE 50 FEET, DEBBIE, CORRECT ME I'M WRONG, IS I THINK 25TH SETBACKS ON THE GROUND FLOOR IN THE LOWER LEVELS, WHICH IS WHAT YOUR COMMENT WAS. 
          UM, WE HAVE ABOUT 50% OF THE FLOOR AREA SETBACK, UH, YOU KNOW, ON ALL LEVELS. 
          SO NOT, NOT EVERYTHING IS SETBACK ACROSS THE WHOLE 300 FEET, BUT OVER 50% IS SETBACK ON, ON THE LOWER LEVELS AS WELL. 
          I THINK IT'S ABOUT, UH, PUT RANGES FROM LIKE, YOU KNOW, FIVE TO 20 FEET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          NO, I DIDN'T. 
          MY ONLY QUESTION TO THEM, I'M, I REALLY LOVE THE CONCEPT OF THE WORK PLAY, BUT I'VE SEEN THIS IN OTHER LOCATIONS LIKE IN WYNWOOD AND OTHER CITIES THAT WHERE THERE'S A TIGHT BUNDLING OF YOU, YOU HAVE A SPACE, SOMETIMES IT'S A LOFT AND THEN YOU HAVE AN OFFICE AND IT'S COMBINED RENT. 
          HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT SOME KIND OF INCENTIVE TO DRIVE THE RENTAL TO OFFICES AND TIE THEM TOGETHER SO YOU DON'T HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF INDEPENDENT OFFICES, PEOPLE DRIVING TO THEIR OFFICES VERSUS THE WORK PLAY WHERE THEY'RE THERE AND WORKING? YEAH, WE HAVE, UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD, YEAH. 
          CAN YOU ARTICULATE? WE WE HAVE AND, AND WE'RE DEFINITELY PLANNING ON INCENTIVIZING THAT WE ARE. 
          RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE APPROVAL TO BUILD ANYTHING BUT THE EXISTING AS OF RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE SPEAKING TO RETAILERS AND OUR CONVERSATION 
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WITH THE RETAILERS IS WE WANT TO GIVE OFFICE AND RESIDENTS DISCOUNTS TO THE RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS. 
          BUT ONCE WE GET INTO, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS WITH OFFICE TENANTS ABOUT CAN THEY HAVE A DISCOUNT TO LIVE HERE? YEAH. 
          JUST DISCOUNT TO WORK THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE GONNA RUN THE RENT THE SAME PROGRAM. 
          WE'RE ALSO, UM, OFFERING THE EMPLOYERS, UH, SUCH AS MOUNT SINAI AND VE HOSPITALITY DISCOUNT ON THE RENTS FOR THEIR EMPLOYMENT. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CREATE AN ECOSYSTEM OF LIKE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AND WORK HERE, UM, COME TO OUR PROJECT. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN, CERTAIN EMPLOYERS ARE, THEY MAKE IT A, THEY'LL, THEY'LL WRITE A LETTER OF SUPPORT. 
          SOME PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, PRECEDENT, BUT THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, PUT ANYTHING IN WRITING. 
          BUT THE CONVERSATION IS, UM, WE WILL OFFER DISCOUNT TO FAIR MARKET VALUE TO, YOU KNOW, YOUR EMPLOYEE AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS THERE'S LIKE A BULK LEASE CONCEPTS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL JUMP IN. 
          UM, QUESTION ON, ON HEIGHT. 
          UM, I KNOW IT, IT SAYS A MAXIMUM OF 150 FEET, BUT YOU KNOW, WHERE WE MEASURE THAT FROM IS NOT GROUND LEVEL. 
          IT'S, I GUESS IT'S FROM FREEBOARD. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE WITH CERTAIN PROJECTS. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY SAY A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF WHATEVER IT IS, AND THAT ENDS UP BEING QUITE A BIT HIGHER FROM THE GROUND, OR THE PERCEPTION IS A LOT HIGHER FROM THE GROUND LEVEL AND IT IS HIGHER. 
          UM, THE BUILDING ACROSS THE GARAGE, ACROSS THE STREET IS, DO YOU KNOW HOW TALL THAT IS FROM GROUND LEVEL? I DON'T, IT'S, UM, YEAH, IT WAS TALL. 
          THERE'S ABOUT 150 FEET. 
          YEAH, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT. 
          I THINK IT A LITTLE LESS I THINK, BUT UH, BUT, BUT THE OFFICE PORTION GOES HIGHER THAN THE GARAGE PORTION, RIGHT? YEAH, TOTALLY. 
          SO THE OFFICE ON LINCOLN ACTUALLY IS HIGHER THAN THE GARAGE. 
          JUST TO CLARIFY, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH ROUGHLY THAT HEIGHT, UM, BUT I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME BETTER CONTROL ON IT THAN JUST SAYING 150. 
          I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU SAY IT'S YOUR BUILDING IS NOT GONNA BE ANY TALLER AND THE HIGHEST ARCHITECTURAL PROJECTION ON YOUR BUILDING IS GONNA NOT BE ANY TALLER THAN THE GARAGE, I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          UM, BUT I, I JUST THINK THAT IN TERMS OF WHEN WE SAY 150, IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING. 
          UM, AND, AND I, AND I JUST, I DUNNO, THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF MORE CONTROL, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS THE SURVEY WE DID. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WELL, I MEAN, I'M TALKING ABOUT IN THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS THAT, AND LIKE I SAID, I'M, WELL, WE'RE ROUGHLY AT 150 FEET, GIVE OR TAKE. 
          UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONTEXT, UH, UH, ACTUALLY, UH, DAVID, IF HE COULD HAVE HAD MORE HEIGHT, HE COULD HAVE HAD EVEN MORE RESIDENTIAL, IT WOULD'VE BEEN MORE EFFICIENT. 
          BUT KEEPING THE HEIGHT DOWN, UH, 150 FEET, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONTEXT. 
          THIS IS ALTON WEST. 
          YOU HAVE WEST BAY PLAZA, WHICH IS BEHIND IT, WHICH IS ALMOST A HUNDRED FEET. 
          YOU HAVE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, I'M LOOKING AT THE BUILDING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. 
          I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A LOT OF BUILDINGS, BUTS CLOSE BY. 
          THERE ARE EVEN TALLER, BUT, BUT THERE'S SUN, THERE'S A, THERE'S, THERE'S A BELL ISLE. 
          THOSE BUILDINGS, THERE'S ALL THE BUILDINGS ON WEST AVENUE, WHICH ARE CONSIDERABLY TALLER. 
          AND SO YOU'RE REALLY TRANSITIONING TO AN AREA WHICH, WHICH REALLY DOES HAVE TALLER BUILDINGS. 
          MUCH SHORTER THAN IM OUT THERE. 
          I'D LIKE TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE REST OF THE BOARD HAS TO SAY. 
          BUT I, BUT THAT'S NOT MY MAIN, JUST JUST TO COMMENT ON THAT, OUR INITIAL APPLICATION WAS FOR 180 FEET, UM, AND A 4.0 FAR. 
          WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM STAFF TO REDUCE IT TO ONE 50 AND 3.5, WHICH WE ACCEPTED KIND OF OFF THE BAT. 
          UM, WHAT THAT DID WAS IT LOST PARKING AND IT LOST RESIDENTIAL UNITS. 
          AND SO, UM, REDUCTION IN HEIGHT HAS THE SAME IMPACT. 
          UH, AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE REST OF THE BOARD, BUT MY BIGGER CONCERN IS THE SETBACKS. 
          AND YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR RENDERINGS ON HERE, AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE GROUND FLOOR IS YOU GOT ABOUT 50% OF THAT IS SET BACK QUITE A BIT FROM THE SIDEWALK, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE PARKING LEVELS. 
          YOU HAVE THREE LEVELS OF PARKING. 
          YEP. 
          AND THAT'S RIGHT AT THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          NO SET BACK. 
          THAT'S SET BACK TOO WELL FROM MY, LEMME SEE. 
          I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THIS RENDERING AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S RIGHT ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND FLOOR, YOU NEED THE MICROPHONE, NOT THE PARKING, THE LEVELS IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. 
          WHICH IS THIRD FOOT, THIRD, FOURTH AND FIFTH FROM RIGHT IN TOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, ARE YOU SURE THOSE ARE ? SO HERE, HERE'S MY CONCERN, HERE'S MY CONCERN. 
          UM, YOUR, YOUR PROPERTY YOU SAID IS ABOUT 320 FEET LONG. 
          AND WITH THAT PARKING RIGHT THERE, IT'S ALMOST GOING LIKE A 30 FOOT TALL BLANK WALL. 
          THAT WHOLE 320 FEET LONG. 
          UM, I, AND IT'S RIGHT ON ALTON ROAD, AND 
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I THINK THAT TAKES AWAY A LOT FROM ALTON ROAD. 
          AND WHAT I PREFER, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS SOMETHING MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT THE CITY ORIGINALLY RECOMMENDED. 
          I WOULD GO EVEN FURTHER, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE FIRST FEW LEVELS, YOU'RE RIGHT AT ALTON ROAD. 
          BUT THEN AFTER LET'S SAY 35 FEET OR THREE FLOORS, WHATEVER, IT, THEN YOU'RE SET BACK QUITE A BIT. 
          EVERYTHING I I I, IF, IF I MAY, IF YOU LOOK AT 12, 12 LINCOLN, IT'S A LONG BUILDING, WHICH IS ACTIVATED. 
          IT ALSO HAS THE HOTEL PORTION, UH, THAT, THAT HEIGHT IS UH, UH, THAT'S ABOUT 75 FEET, I THINK. 
          AND IT SHOWS YOU, IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ARTICULATE AND HAVE TRANSPARENCY ON A FACADE MORE, BUT YOU'RE ASKING, ASKING FOR A LOT BIGGER, TALLER BUILDING. 
          WELL THEN IT'S STEPPING BACK AFTER, WELL, IT'S STEPPING BACK ABOVE 75 FEET. 
          SO IN ESSENCE, YOU COULD HAVE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT THIS IS. 
          WE SPOKE ON THE PHONE, THIS IS YOUR RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE, THE, UH, YOU COULD, IT COULD CHANGE AND YOU MIGHT HAVE A 70, A 320 FOOT LONG FACADE THAT'S 75 FEET UP FROM THE, FROM, FROM, UH, RIGHT AT YOUR PROPERTY LINE RIGHT ALONG THE SIDEWALK. 
          AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S CONCERNING. 
          I, I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. 
          I I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, WELL AS, AS AS CURRENTLY DESIGNED AND WITH THE CURRENT HEIGHT LIMITATION, IF YOU SET BACK, YOU'RE ULTIMATELY LOSING PARKING SPACES, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE GONNA LOSE AN ENTIRE ROW PARKING SPACES. 
          YOU COULD LOSE 30, 40, 50 PARKING SPACES AS YOU, AS YOU GO UP THREE OR FOUR FLOORS WITH THAT, WITH THAT SETBACK. 
          AND SO THEN WE'LL BE, I THINK WE ALREADY ARE UNDER PARKED BY THE WAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEN WE'LL BE UNDER PARKED SIGNIFICANTLY. 
          AND YOU WOULD NEED ANOTHER FLOOR OF HEIGHT. 
          SO THE QUESTION IS, IS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A TRADE WHERE IT SAYS, OKAY, WELL YOU CAN GO ABOVE ONE 50, MAYBE TO ONE 60 OR 1 65 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR AN EXTRA FLOOR OF, OF HEIGHT. 
          IF YOU SET BACK TO THESE LEVELS TO ME THAT, THAT, THAT WORKS. 
          BUT IN, AS IN OUR CURRENT PROJECT, IF I WERE TO OFFER A SIGNIFICANT SETBACK ON ALL THE PARKING LEVELS, THEN WE WOULD NEED ANOTHER FLOOR OF PARKING. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA LOSE, YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH. 
          TWO ROWS OF, OF YOU CAN LOOK AT THE PARKING PLACE. 
          I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I MIGHT BE OPEN TO THAT. 
          GO A LITTLE HIGHER. 
          AND THAT'D BE FINE TOO, IF IT SET THAT, 'CAUSE MY CONCERN IS WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE ON ALTON ROAD. 
          THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN. 
          W WE, WE, WE ARE HAPPY TO DESIGN AS, AS SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH THE CITY. 
          WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HIT THE NEEDS. 
          SO LIKE IF WE LOSE A WHOLE HALF A FLOOR PARKING, I'LL NEED TO BUILD HALF A FLOOR PARKING MORE HIGHER. 
          SO YOU'RE PARKING BASICALLY. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW YOUR TOWER ON THE BACK SIDE, ON THE WEST SIDE IS SET BACK A LITTLE TOO AS YOU GO UP. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING YOUR PARKING IS, IS THE ENTIRE, BASICALLY WE ENTIRE F WE'RE SET FOOTPRINT. 
          I'M LOOKING AT THE PLANS WE'RE SET BACK, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE WE DO, WE'RE SET BACK ON THE GROUND AND SECOND FLOOR AND WE'RE SET BACK ABOVE THE PARKING IS WE'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE PARKING LEVEL. 
          AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS FOR MAXIMIZING PARKING SPACES WITHOUT GOING HIGHER. 
          AND PARKING. 
          PARKING, AGAIN, WHAT THAT DOES, IT REALLY TAKES AWAY, IN MY OPINION, IT TAKES AWAY FROM, FROM, UM, ROAD. 
          SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE OPEN. 
          I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT VOTING ON THE TODAY, BUT WE'D BE DEFINITELY OPEN TO HAVING A LITTLE MORE HEIGHT AND JUST, AND, AND HAVING A SETBACK ON THE PARKING GARAGE OR HAVING THE OPTION TO DO ONE OF THE TWO. 
          I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT. 
          I JUST, I JUST CAN, THE PARKING SPACES I DIDN'T TO ANOTHER IDEA, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO UP A LITTLE MORE PARKING MAYBE FOUR LEVELS ON THE BACKSIDE. 
          UM, AND THEN JUST FOR YOUR TOWER, YOUR BASICALLY, THERE'S ALMOST NO SETBACK ALONG THE ALLEYWAY. 
          YOU NEED THE, UM, THE PODIUM FOR ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, ALL THE HVAC UNITS FOR THE RETAIL, THE COMMERCIAL, ALL THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. 
          YOU HAVE THE FARM FOR THE MINI SPLITS. 
          SO THAT BIG PODIUM, IF I WERE TO ADD, YOU KNOW, ROW PARKING, LET'S SAY ON THE PODIUM IN THE BACK, I WOULD LOSE ALL THE MECHANICAL SPACE. 
          WELL YOU MEAN WHERE YOU STEP BACK, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOUR MECHANICALS FOR THE UNITS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, LOOK, THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN. 
          MY CONCERN IS THOUGH, IS WHAT THAT BLOCK OF ALTON ROAD IS GONNA LOOK LIKE IN, IN THEORY WITH WHAT THIS IS PROPOSING. 
          WHAT'S, WHAT'S IN THE WORDING? NOT SO MUCH THE RENDERING IS YOU COULD END UP WITH A, A WALL, OBVIOUSLY IT'LL HAVE A DRIVEWAY IN THE MIDDLE, BUT 320 FEET LONG, 75 FEET HIGH RIGHT ALONG ALTON ROAD. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S, I DON'T THINK, WELL LET ME ASK SOMETHING SINCE, UM, WE'RE NOT REALLY TAKING ACTION ON THIS. 
          AND THIS GOES TO COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETING. 
          WHO, WHO ORGANIZED AT THE CITY? YES, WE WILL. 
          WITH THE, WITH THE APPLICANT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IS THAT, CAN YOU TAKE NOTE OF SCOTT'S CONCERNS AND HAVE THAT AS A DISCUSSION IN THIS MEETING? IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, WE COULD, WE COULD PRESENT THE PLANNING BOARD'S, GENERAL COMMENTS AT TODAY'S MEETING. 
          YES. 
          CAN I ASK A CLARIFICATION QUESTION? STAFF WILL NOT BE, WANNA BE CLEAR THAT'RE NOT, YEAH. 
          STAFF WILL NOT BE GIVING. 
          I WANT THEM I'M PUTTING THAT ON THE RECORD. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. 
          IF THEY CAN ACTUALLY, THIS WILL COME BACK TO US, BUT WILL IT COME BACK TO US? OR IS YEAH. 
          IT SEEMS GOES THIS GOES TO A PUBLIC MEETING AND THEN COMES BACK TO MY QUESTION IS THAT'S HIS DISCUSSION SOUNDS MORE LIKE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. 
          THEY'RE THE ONES WHO'D SAY, OH, THE SETBACK SHOULD BE THIS, IT SHOULD BE BROKEN 
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UP MORE. 
          NO, BUT WE, ISN'T HE GONNA GO IN FRONT OF THE DRB? YES. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WE WE'RE, WE'RE SETTING, WE'RE WE'RE RECOMMENDING LANGUAGE REGULATIONS CHANGES TO 'EM. 
          YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. 
          THAT'S THE DBS LET THEM BRING UP, GONNA BREAK UP YOUR CONCERNS. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THIS PUBLIC OUTREACH MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          I'M I'M ASSUMING AFTER THAT PUBLIC COMMENT AND OUTREACH THAT YOU ALL WILL TWEAK IT, RIGHT? NOT NECESSARILY. 
          POSSIBLY. 
          I MEAN IN THIS, REMEMBER THIS IS A, A PUBLIC, I MEAN A PRIVATE APPLICATION, RIGHT? SO DURING THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP, STAFF WILL BE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN ATTENDANCE, UM, IN ADDRESSING THE PUBLIC. 
          BUT WE WILL NOT BE GIVING OUR PRESENTATION A FORMAL PRESENTATION THAT WILL BE THE APPLICANT. 
          NO, BUT, BUT WHAT'S THE PUB, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE PUBLIC OUTREACH? IF, IF YOU DON'T, IF SOME OF THEIR COMMENTS AND CONCERNS ARE RECEPTIVE THAT IT'D BE SLIGHTLY AMENDED. 
          I'M ASSUMING THAT'S HOW IT WORKS, RIGHT? THAT WOULD, MAYBE THEY LOVE IT THE WAY IT IS AND THERE'S NO CHANGE. 
          THE OUTPUT IS FOR YOU. 
          WHAT, AND THAT, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE UP SO THE APPLICANT COULD, AFTER THE APPLICANT RECEIVES, UH, INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, THE APPLICANT COULD PROFFER TO MODIFY PORTIONS OF THEIR DRAFT ORDINANCE. 
          AND STAFF COULD CERTAINLY ALSO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON, I'M ASSUMING IF THERE'S PUBLIC OUTCRY ON SOME ISSUE, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL THINK ABOUT THAT AND WELL, YEAH, WE, WE'D ACTUALLY LOVE TO GET THE PUBLIC MEETING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          WE'VE ALREADY MET WITH THERE'S REQUIREMENT. 
          PUBLIC COULD DO IT IN APRIL. 
          IF WE COULD DO IT IN APRIL, IT'D BE GREAT. 
          UM, WE'VE MET WITH, WE THINK ALMOST EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO MEET WITH US. 
          SO, UM, IT'S SOONER THE BETTER FOR US. 
          WHAT'S WAB N'S POSITION? WELL, THAT'S A COMPLICATED QUESTION. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. 
          I'VE HAD, UH, NO LESS THAN 10 TO 12 CONVERSATIONS AND MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH WNA. 
          UM, RECENTLY I SENT AN EMAIL TO ALL YOU YESTERDAY TALKING ABOUT THE CHAVET DESIGN AND THE, YOU KNOW, HIS, HIS APPROVAL PROCESS THAT GRANTED HIM HIGHER HEIGHT ON THE, ON THE OFFICE PROGRAM AND THE VACATION OF THE ALLEY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS PLAN, OUR BUSINESS PLAN TO BUILD HOUSING. 
          SO, UM, THEY HAVE NOT FORMALLY SAID THEY SUPPORT US. 
          THEY HAVE NOT SAID, THEY FORMALLY SAID, DON'T DO NOT SUPPORT US. 
          THEY HAVE TOLD US THAT THEY'VE MET MULTIPLE TIMES, YOU KNOW, TO COME TO A CONCLUSION WHICH THEY HAVE YET TO PROVIDE TO US. 
          AND AS OF YESTERDAY, THEY SAID THEY THOUGHT YOU WERE VOTING ON IT TODAY. 
          SO THEY WANTED TO CONTINUE IT AND SEND US BACK $3 MILLION, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM THE CITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. 
          I KNOW THAT WE'VE, THAT WE HAVE SPENT AS A, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME WITH THEM. 
          WE CONTINUE TO TALK TO THEM AS EVEN AS RECENT AS YESTERDAY. 
          UM, AND EVERYBODY ELSE WE'VE SPOKEN TO HAS GIVEN US FULL SUPPORT. 
          AM I, AM I, I JUST A QUESTION FOR STAFF, AM I WRONG THAT, THAT THE STATE HAS PREEMPTED US FROM RE I GUESS BASICALLY REVERSING ANYTHING AND BECOMING MORE RESTRICTIVE AND CORRECT THAT THAT'S THE, UM, THE SENATE BILL 180 I REFERENCED EARLIER, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, THAT WE CANNOT ADOPT AN AMENDMENT TO THE LDRS OR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT IS MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WOULD THIS SIMILAR TO THE LAST ORDINANCES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, WOULD THIS ALLOW LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TRADER JOE'S BUILDING TO BUILD UP AND, YOU KNOW, BUILD RESIDENTIAL UP, IF THAT MAKES LIKE ON TOP OF THEIR CURRENT BUILDING UNDER THIS, UNDER THIS, UNDER THIS ONE. 
          IT WOULD, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE PROPOSED UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT SITE AS PART OF THIS. 
          SO REMEMBER THIS IS A OVERLAY LEGISLATION, BUT SPECIFIC TO THE PROJECT HE'S PRESENTING TO YOU, THAT INCLUDES THE EXISTING TRADER JOE'S BUILDING EXACTLY AS IT IS. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, THE, THROUGH A COVENANT IN LOU, THE, UH, THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS WOULD BE AGGREGATED ON THE EPICURE PARCEL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO THEY WOULD, IF THIS PROJECT HAPPENS, THERE WOULD NOT BE ANOTHER BUILDING REPLACING TRADER JOE'S. 
          WELL, WHAT ABOUT IN TERMS OF, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE LEASE SPACE AND THE VACANCIES ON LINCOLN ROAD. 
          I MEAN, I I I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT'S BECAUSE OF LACK OF RESIDENTS LIVING IN THE AREA. 
          UM, BUT IN, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, I THINK OBVIOUSLY IT'S HURTING LINCOLN ROAD, HAVING ALL THOSE VACANCIES. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S A COINCIDENCE. 
          I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE BUSINESSES IN A ROW THAT YOU SHOWED A PICTURE OF, YOU KNOW, ARE CLOSED. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL NOT DOING WELL AS BUSINESSES OR BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, HAD OTHER PRIORITIES. 
          BUT, UM, WHAT, WHAT CAN YOU SAY TO MAKING SURE THAT THE RETAIL SPACE IS OCCUPIED, ESPECIALLY AT THE BOTTOM LEVEL OR THE FIRST TWO LEVELS? 'CAUSE I MEAN, WE SEE EVEN WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE DEL'S IS SUPPOSED TO BE NOW IF WEHOW, BUT WHEN THAT'S SHUTTERED, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE AREA. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, OUR COMPANY, NOT JUST IN SOUTH FLORIDA, OF COURSE ACROSS THE EAST COAST, OWNS A PROXY MILLION SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL. 
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UM, IN SOUTH FLORIDA, WE HAVE MAYBE A DOZEN PROPERTIES THAT ALL HAVE RETAIL IN THEM. 
          WE HAVE ONE 1000 SQUARE FOOT VACANCY. 
          WE DON'T HOLD VACANCY. 
          UM, ESPANOLA HAS ENDED A VACANCY IN OVER 10 YEARS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S A RESTAURANT STREET, WHICH MEANS THAT'S RESTAURANTS TURN OVER QUITE A BIT MORE THAN TYPICAL RETAIL. 
          AND EVEN ON OUR ONE VACANCY, WE'RE NEGOTIATING TERMS RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THAT WAS, UH, A RELOCATION JESSE BOUTIQUE ON 17TH MOVED TO, UH, MERIDIAN. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, WE, THAT'S NOT SOMEONE WHO WE ARE. 
          UM, I WILL SAY THAT, THAT WE, I OFFICE ON 17TH AND ALTON, SO I OFFICE ON THIS BLOCK AND I LIVE ON ALTON. 
          SO AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, NO ONE COMMUTES UP AND DOWN ALDEN MORE THAN I DO, PROBABLY. 
          UM, I HOPE NOT. 
          AT THREE O'CLOCK, AT THREE O'CLOCK, AT FIVE O'CLOCK, I LIVED THROUGH ALL OF IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I I BELIEVE FIRMLY THAT THE REASON WHY THE MORE EASTERN PART OF LINCOLN ROAD, UH, DOES BETTER THAN THE WESTERN PART IS BECAUSE A, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF TOURISM, BUT, BUT MOST OF THE COMMERCIAL OFFICE, YOU KNOW, THAT FEEDS LINCOLN ROAD IS A LITTLE FURTHER EAST. 
          IT'S NOT ALONG OFTEN. 
          SO IF YOU, IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, ON MERIDIAN OR EAST OF MICHIGAN, ET CETERA, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, THERE'S JOE'S PIZZA, THERE'S HARRY'S, THERE'S HARRY'S PIZZA THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF FOOD AND AND BEVERAGE AROUND THAT, AROUND THAT AREA THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY EXIST AS MUCH ON ALTON. 
          AND BECAUSE THE OFFICE MARKET FEEDS THAT IT STAYS SOTON HARBOR'S ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS. 
          SUNSET HARBOR HAS A TREMENDOUS RETAIL, UM, OFFERING AND IT HAS RESIDENTS AND OFFICE THERE AND IT'S A VERY WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND SO FOR SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN MID BEACH, I PROBABLY GO TO SUNSET HARBOR SIX TIMES A WEEK. 
          UM, I DON'T, I CAN'T SAY THAT I, THAT I FREQUENT AN ALTON ROAD CORRIDOR, UH, RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT THAT OFTEN, SO OF THEN MY OFFICE. 
          UM, SO I THINK YOU NEED RESIDENTS AND I THINK YOU DO NEED COMMERCIAL OFFICE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE A MIXED USE OF JOB IS SO IMPORTANT TO US. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA SOLVE THE, THE RETAIL VACANCY. 
          YOU NEED PEOPLE. 
          AND RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A TRAFFIC. 
          SO THE BREEZEWAY THAT WE'RE CONNECTING, THE USES WE'RE BRINGING THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE THINK IS GONNA DRIVE IT. 
          AND IT'S MORE, ALTON IS MORE LOCAL SERVING EVEN THAN LINCOLN. 
          YEAH. 
          ALTON IS THE, IS THE LOCAL CORRIDOR. 
          UM, AND THERE'S NOT MUCH TOURIST BUSINESS THERE, SO YOU HAVE TO RELY ON THE RESIDENTS TO DRIVE IT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS GONNA COME BACK TO US AFTER PUBLIC MEETINGS, SO YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING FOR US TO DO. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MOVE TO CONTINUE SOMEONE, US TO MOVE, TO CONTINUE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT WILL BE TO THE MAY 5TH MEETING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. 
          THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. 
          DID I? THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANKS GUYS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE TO LEAVE, BUT A COUPLE THINGS. 
          THERE'S 
          [9 SINGLE-FAMILY DRIVEWAY REGULATIONS ]
TWO THINGS ON THE ITEM FOR DISCUSSION ITEM. 
          THE FIRST WAS ASKED BY YAHIEL AND BECAUSE HE HAD TO LEAVE, HE WANTS TO DEFER THE SINGLE FAMILY. 
          OKAY. 
          PRIOR TO THE NEXT MEETING. 
          AND THEN YOU 
          [10 EXTERIOR PAINT COLOR REQUIREMENTS ]
GUYS CAN GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS. 
          I THINK ELIZABETH, YOURS WAS EXTERIOR, BUT I PASSED IT COMMISSION. 
          HUH? ALREADY PASSED THE COMMISSION. 
          I ALREADY PASSED IT. 
          OH, SO YOU DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS IT? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CAN REMOVE THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO IF YOU COULD JUST MOVE THE SINGLE FAMILY DRIVEWAY TO THE NEXT MEETING. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND WE'RE ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS GUYS.
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