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PLEASE STAND BY.WE ARE GOING ON AIR IN 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
WELCOME TO THE MAY FINANCE ECONOMIC RESILIENCY COMMITTEE MEETING TODAY.
UM, WE'RE HAVE SOME GREAT EVENTS, CONFERENCES IN TOWN, LOTS GOING ON, SO LET'S KICK THIS OFF.
UH, WE'LL KICK IT OVER TO OUR CFO AND THEN OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND, UH, GET RIGHT INTO BUSINESS.
TODAY'S MEETING OF THE FINANCE AND ECONOMIC RESILIENCY COMMITTEE HAS BEEN SCHEDULED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH A QUORUM OF THE COMMITTEE PHYSICALLY PRESENT AND REMAINING MEMBERS, STAFF, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM.
IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN TODAY'S MEETING, VIRTUALLY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY DIAL 1-888-475-FOUR 4 9 9, AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 6 3 6 0 5 9 5 4 6 2 POUND, OR LOG INTO THE ZOOM APP AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH AGAIN IS 8 6 3 6 0 5 9 5 4 6 2.
ANY INDIVIDUAL WISHING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM, MUST CLICK THE RAISE HAND ICON IF THEY'RE USING THE ZOOM APP, OR DIAL STAR NINE IF PARTICIPATING BY PHONE.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS.
UH, OB TWO HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN, AND WE HAVE TWO TIME CERTAINS.
11:00 AM FOR MB FIVE, UH, AND 1130 FOR MB SIX.
THAT'S THE END OF THE ANNOUNCEMENTS, I BELIEVE.
CHAIR, YOU ARE GONNA CALL MB ONE FIRST LITTLE PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE THERE.
[NB 1. REFFERRAL TO THE FINANCE AND ECONOMIC RESILIENCY COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS FUNDING FOR THE 19 STREET PARKING PROJECT]
UH, WELL, UH, FIRST ITEM WILL BE MB ONE REFERRAL TO FINANCE AND ECONOMIC RESILIENCY COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS FUNDING FOR THE 19TH STREET PARKING PROJECT.DAVID GOMEZ, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, MR. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, I, I APPEAR BEFORE YOU TODAY TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL FUNDING OF A NEW PROJECT, WHICH IS THE RECONFIGURATION OF 19TH STREET BETWEEN MERIDIAN AVENUE AND CONVENTION CENTER DRIVE TO PICK UP ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES.
UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL HAD THEIR INAUGURATION IN THEIR GRAND OPENING JUST RECENTLY.
AS PART OF THAT PROJECT, THE PARKING LOT JUST TO THE EAST OF THE FORMER, UH, SITE WAS UH, OCCUPIED BY THE NEW BUILDING.
UM, AND WE HAVE SINCE BEEN LOOKING AT WAYS TO POTENTIALLY INCREASE SOME PARKING SPACES.
UM, IN, ON MAY 15TH OF, UH, 2024, THE CITY COMMISSION DIRECTED US TO CONDUCT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
THE REPORT THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE MEMO IS THE CONCLUSION OF THAT STUDY.
UH, ESSENTIALLY IT SHOWS THAT BY RECONFIGURING THE MEDIAN, WE CAN PICK UP AN ADDITIONAL APPROXIMATELY 34 SPACES ON THE STREET.
UM, THE KEY HERE, OR THE DRIVING FACTOR FOR THE DESIGN OF THIS IS THE FACT THAT THAT STREET IS USED FOR MULTIPLE FUNCTIONS, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS DELIVERY AND STAGING FOR CONVENTION CENTER EVENTS, AS WELL AS ACCESS TO THE BOTANICAL GARDEN BY LARGE VEHICLES.
SO WE NEED THE EXTRA WIDE, UH, TRAVEL LANES JUST TO STAGE THAT, THAT EQUIPMENT AND THOSE, UH, TURNING RADIUSES.
UM, AND WITH THAT, UM, OH, THE PROJECTED TOTAL COST FOR THE, FOR THE PROJECT IS APPROXIMATELY $1.8 MILLION.
UH, AND ONE OF THE OPTIONS SHOULD THE COMMITTEE CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND IT, IS TO BEGIN THE DESIGN.
NOW, WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE COST FUNDED LATER, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD RECOMMEND GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET CYCLE FOR ALL PROJECTS.
DAVID, DO YOU, UH, BY CHANCE HAVE VISUALS? THEY ARE ATTACHED TO THE, TO THE MEMO, BUT I DIDN'T BRING ELECTRONIC FOR THE, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DOES, IS THIS ADDS 34 SPACES TO THE ON STREETT PARKING? AND HOW DOES THAT COME UP FOR SPACE? UH, I DIDN'T DO THAT MATH.
I, I'LL BE IN THE MINORITY HERE.
UM, WHERE IS IT? WHERE'S THE NEW PARKING? I I JUST THINK THE GREENERY THAT WE HAVE IN THIS AREA IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE REPLICATING ACROSS THE CITY.
I THINK 17TH STREET SHOULD LOOK MORE LIKE THIS, WHERE WE HAVE A MEDIAN AS OPPOSED TO MANY TURNING LANES, UM, AND HAVE GREEN CORRIDORS ANGLE, RIGHT.
FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE HAVE ACTIVATIONS AT THAT SITE THAT WILL NEED EXCESS PARKING.
I'M JUST VERY HESITANT TO GIVE UP 24 7 OF AESTHETIC AND REALLY COOLING OF THE CITY HAVING THESE TREES AND THROUGH THE CHAIR.
UM, YOUR, YOU'RE, I GUESS I'M IN THE MINORITY WITH YOU.
I I WOULDN'T WANT TO CHANGE THE MEDIAN RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL.
AND JUST FOR MORE CONCRETE, UM,
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AND PLUS WE HAVE THE, THE CITY CITY'S GARAGE RIGHT HERE.AND WHAT, WHAT IS IT, WHAT IS THE OCCUPANCY OF THAT TYPICALLY IN THE AREA? 20%.
WE HAVE, UH, 799 SPACES IN THE CONVENTION CENTER GARAGE, SEVEN 14, AND THE CITY HALL GARAGE, 14.
OH, AND THE CONVENTION CENTER HOTEL IS GONNA HAVE ITS OWN GARAGE AS WELL, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO LOOK, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SPEND A, A $1.5 MILLION ON 35 PARKING SPACES, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE IN A, YOU KNOW, A BUDGET CRUNCH FOR THE ROLLBACK RATE AND WE'RE GONNA BE LOSING GREEN SPACE.
NO, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MY POSITION.
SO, BOBBY, DO YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I KNOW IT'S YOUR ITEM I'D TO, WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK.
UM, I, I ACTUALLY AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT BOTH THE HOLOCAUST MUSEUM AND THE BOTANICAL GARDEN NEED THE PARKING.
I JUST AM SHOCKED AT THE PRICE TAG.
UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE, I MEAN, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHY IT WOULD BE THIS MUCH.
UM, AND I, LISTEN, I APPRECIATE THE GREEN SPACE TOO.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU GUYS ENTIRELY, BUT THERE WILL BE STILL A LITTLE BIT OF POCKETS IN, IN GREEN SPACE.
BUT, UM, AND MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
I MEAN, I, I STILL THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF PRIDE PARK.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT TRANSPORTATION SAYS IT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH, BUT PEOPLE PARK THERE ANYWAY.
I'M ACTUALLY THE ONE OF THE TRUE MINORITY.
'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS, WHICH IS OKAY JUST HERE.
I I THINK YOU'LL HAVE SUPPORT, UH, WITH A BROADER AND JUST SIMPLE MATH, YOU KNOW, JUST SIMPLE MATH.
IT COMES OUT TO LIKE $43,000 A PARKING SPACE.
I, I MEAN, IT'S MORE CLOSE TO BUILDING A GARAGE.
UH, IT'S, I CAN'T, I CAN'T SIT HERE AND SAY, WE NEED TO PASS THE ROLLBACK RATE AND WE NEED TO HAVE MUCH MORE TIGHTER RESTRICTIONS ON SPENDING AND THEN CAN, AND THEN SPEND $42,000 ON A SINGLE PARKING SPACE.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TALK TODAY ABOUT A LITTLE BIRD BATH THAT'S ABOUT LIKE 10,000.
AND WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA PICK IT APART, BUT GONNA SOMEHOW SIT HERE AND SPEND $42,000 ON A PARKING SPACE, WHICH WE REMOVE IT, YOU KNOW, GREEN SPACE FROM.
SO, BOB, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHAT DID YOU, WHAT DO YOU WANNA SAY? FIRST OF ALL, I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I HEARD WHY IT IS SO EXPENSIVE.
BUT THEN WHEN I MET WITH, UH, JOE AND, UH, DAVID, UM, UM, HELP, ANYWAY, THEY EXPLAINED MORE.
THE REASON, CRITICAL REASON IS WHEN THEY BUILT THE HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL CENTER, WE LOST MANY SPACES.
AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM BACK.
THE VISITATION IS ABOUT 150,000 PEOPLE A YEAR.
AND THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO PARK.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO WALK TO THE CONVENT CENTER.
AND VERY OFTEN THAT GARAGE IS FULL.
AND OF COURSE, THE GARAGE BEHIND CITY HALL IS VERY FULL.
AND, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE, THE HOTEL, MANY, MANY PEOPLE, MANY PEOPLE CAN'T WALK 'CAUSE OF RAIN WEATHER, IT'S HOT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO GENERATE AND GIVE THEM SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING.
THE PRICE TAG IS ASTRONOMICAL.
UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE NEW MEMORIAL CENTER IN ONE SECOND, ONE MINUTE.
I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU NOW, ALL THREE OF US WERE THERE FOR AN EVENT LAST WEEK.
DID YOU ACTUALLY SEE THE HOLOGRAMS? YEAH, YEAH, OF COURSE.
IT, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MARTS OF THE CENTER.
BOB, I JUST, I WANT YOU TO KNOW, LOOK, BOB, I, WE, WE THREW AN EVENT THERE.
YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I'M A STAUNCH SUPPORTER OF ISRAEL AND I'M JEWISH, AND, BUT I DON'T WANT TO CONFLATE THE TWO WHERE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS DOING A GOOD CENTER AND THEN SOMEHOW JUSTIFY $1.5 MILLION ON PARKING.
AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE CONVENTION CENTER HOTEL IS BUILDING HOW MANY MORE PARKING SPACES, AND IT'LL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
SO IT'S QUITE A DISTANCE WHAT I'M JUST ASKING.
AND, AND IF THERE'S A WAY OF REMOVING THE MEDIAN AND CREATING NEW SPACES, THAT WAS WHOLE IDEA.
IF WE CAN REDUCE IT, WHAT, OR NARROW IT.
BUT ACCORDING TO YOUR GREAT ENGINEERING PEOPLE, IT CAN'T BE DONE.
AND YOU HAVE TO GET APPROVAL BY THE COUNTY.
IT'S QUITE CONVOLUTED, BUT I'M JUST SAYING MAYBE IT COULD BE STUDIED FURTHER.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER, JUST THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN YOU MAYBE WE CAN HYBRIDIZE THOSE PARKING SPACES FOR ONLY THE MEMORIAL, UH, PARKING.
AND I DON'T, 'CAUSE I ALWAYS SEE THAT PARKING GARAGE OR THAT PARK IF IT'S A PARKING LOT OR
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GARAGE.BUT I ALWAYS SEE THAT LOT ALWAYS EMPTY.
AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S A BETTER WAY TO, TO, TO TAKE, TO TAKE THIS ON.
THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'D HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE CHAMBER AND I THINK THERE'S SOME BUSINESSES IN THAT BUILDING TOO.
SO, BUT MAYBE AFTER FIVE, BECAUSE IT IS EMPTY AFTER FIVE.
AND SO THEN, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD HELP.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME THE MEMORIAL CLOSES.
DOES IT ALSO CLOSE AT FIVE OR WEEKENDS? MAYBE THEY COULD USE IT.
MY FINAL PLEA AND RECOMMENDATION, MAYBE IF YOU COULD ASK JOE AND HIS TEAM TO EXPLORE IT FURTHER TO SEE HOW IT COULD BE DONE, IF NOT GETTING THAT MANY SPACES, SOME SPACES JUST TO ALLEVIATE, UH, THE NEED.
'CAUSE SOME PEOPLE, UH, CAN'T PARK, CAN'T WALK, YOU KNOW, HANDICAP, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
JOE, WELL, UM, WHAT IS THE, OR DAVID, WHAT IS THE, UM, WHAT IS THE OCCUPANCY OF THE CONVENTION CENTER GARAGE, WHICH IS LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE BOTANICAL GARDEN AND ESSENTIALLY THE HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL? THE CONVENTION CENTER GARAGE HAS 714 SPACES.
AND WHAT IS THE OCCUPANCY RATE OF IT? ZERO.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OCCUPANCY.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANKS FOR COMING DOWN.
AND, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE C WHERE THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER IS ON 18TH, SO LITERALLY ONE BLOCK AWAY.
SO, UH, THE CONVENTION CENTER GARAGE, FIRST AND FOREMOST IS CURRENTLY ALSO UTILIZED BY THE BOTANICAL GARDENS.
SO THEY HAVE VALIDATION RIGHTS.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT THE CONVENTION CENTER GARAGE IS BEHOLDEN SOLELY TO ANY CONVENTION THAT IS GOING ON THAT IS A REGIONAL OR STATEWIDE OR LOCAL CONVENTION.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW, THE CONVENTION THAT'S GOING ON IS MORE NATIONAL MM-HMM
SO EVEN THOUGH IT CALLS FOR 20, IT WILL, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERJECT.
BUT BOBBY, MAYBE YOU COULD HELP US OUT HERE WITH LOGISTICS.
THE MAJORITY OF EVENT ACTIVATIONS AT THE HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL, AND WE'RE, WE'RE JUST SPITBALLING HERE.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, FROM MY EXPERIENCE ACTUALLY ARE ON THE WEEKENDS OR IN THE EVENINGS.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY A USAGE THAT PROBABLY COEXIST PRETTY WELL WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER.
WE, WE DON'T OFTEN HAVE ACTIVATED WEEKENDS AT THE CONVENTION CENTER.
UH, WE OFTEN AREN'T ACTIVATED IN THE EVENINGS.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR PARKING FOR ACTIVATIONS OF THE HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL DURING THE DAY THAT, THAT'S MY TAKE.
SO I THINK WE PERHAPS IF WE BETTER FACILITATE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE HOLOCAUST MUSEUM, WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER.
I THINK WHEN PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, THIS IS EXACTLY WHERE OUR PARKING IS, WE'RE ONLY TALKING A, A DIFFERENCE OF 30 OR 40 FEET FROM WHERE THIS MEDIAN IS PROPOSED.
PERHAPS STEP ONE FOR WHAT WE CAN DO IS START BETTER DIALOGUE AND FACILITATION OF THE EVENTS FOR THE HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL USING THE CONVENTION CENTER HOTEL.
AND MAYBE WILL, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN HELP SPEARHEAD, UH, WITH BOBBY IS, IS GETTING THAT DIALOGUE.
SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE VISITING FOR A WEEKEND EVENT HERE, THEY KNOW RIGHT AWAY, BOOM, WE HAVE DEDICATED PARKING AT THE CONVENTION CENTER HOTEL.
PERHAPS WE, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN, UM, ALSO OFFER THE HOLOCAUST MUSEUM VISITORS, FREE VALET THAT CAN SHUTTLE PEOPLE, UH, VALET OPERATED BY OUR TEAM? BECAUSE I KNOW WE CAN'T DO VALET IN CITY PARKING GARAGES UNLESS IT'S THROUGH US.
WILL, WOULD THAT BE A POSSIBILITY EITHER IN OUR 17TH STREET GARAGE OR SOMEWHERE IN A GARAGE AND WORK, WORK SOMETHING OUT IN THAT REGARD SO WE CAN, UM, I WILL, I ALWAYS, I ALWAYS AM A LITTLE BIT LEERY OF VALET BECAUSE VALET IS VERY, UM, MAN HOUR INTENSIVE.
WHEREAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KIND OF ALWAYS GOES THROUGH MY HEAD IS MAYBE A, A COURTESY GOLF CART.
UM, BECAUSE IT CAN BE ON CALL, IT CAN BE, HEY, IF YOU NEED COURTESY SERVICE.
AND SO, WHEREAS FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW THE CONVENTION CENTER GARAGE IS EXTREMELY CONVENIENT TO THE BOTANICAL GARDENS, WE ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, YOU KNOW, ON NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS, THE SEVENTH OR THE, THE, UH, G SEVEN, THE CITY HALL GARAGE IS ABSOLUTELY EMPTY MOST OF THE TIME.
AND IT MAY EVEN HAVE A MORE DIRECT ROUTE GOING RIGHT UP MERIDIAN TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE, OF THE, UH, OF THE, UH, MEMORIAL.
AND SO I WOULD, I WOULD PROBABLY SAY HAVE MAYBE SOME TYPE OF ON-CALL GOLF GOLF CART AS OPPOSED TO VALET RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE.
UH, JUST BECAUSE HAVING A VALET MEANS YOU HAVE A HUMAN BEING THERE EVERY SINGLE HOUR.
IT'S OPEN FOR POSSIBLY NO PEOPLE THERE.
HOW ABOUT THIS? HOW ABOUT IT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THOUGH.
YOU MEAN A SO PEOPLE WOULD PARK INSIDE THE CONVENTION CENTER AND THEN THEN TAKE A GOLF CART FROM THERE TO THE, THE FRONT DOOR OF THE HOLOCAUST MEETING? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE YEAH, SO, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE IS, SO UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE PEOPLE WITH MOBILITY CHALLENGES, WE
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CAN TAKE A FEW DIFFERENT APPROACHES.UM, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, ANYBODY WITH MOBILITY CHALLENGES, WE CAN LOOK AT HAVING A FEW MORE, UH, SPACES ON STREET ON 19TH THAT ARE A DA.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IS TIME MARK THOSE SPACES FOR SAY, THREE HOUR MAXIMUM.
SO IF WE MAKE ALL OF 19TH STREET THREE HOUR MAXIMUM, BOTH A DA SPACES AND REGULAR METERED SPACES, NOW THAT MEANS WE CAN TIME LIMIT THOSE A DA.
SO THERE CAN'T BE SOMEBODY THAT GOES IN THERE, UM, THAT WANTS TO PARK FOR 8, 10, 12 HOURS IN THAT SPACE.
SO THAT FOCUSES MORE TOWARD VISITORS OF THE BOTANICAL GARDENS AND THE MEMORIAL.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THE AVERAGE PERSON STAYS IN EITHER OF THOSE LOCATIONS, BUT THAT COULD ALSO SERVE A PURPOSE FOR INDIVIDUALS MOBILITY ISSUES.
BUT THEN ALSO IF SOMEBODY DOES HAVE MOBILITY ISSUES AND THEY SAY, HEY, ALL OF THE SPACES ON 19TH WERE TAKEN, UM, WE WANT TO STILL HAVE A LITTLE GOLF CART SERVICE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF A ONE-OFF.
IT CAN BE PART OF A KIND OF AN EXTENDED SERVICE FOR EITHER ONE OF THOSE FACILITIES.
IF YOU APPOINT ME, I'LL BE HAPPY AS A VOLUNTEER TO WORK WITH HIM AND SEE IF WE CAN SOLVE SOME OF THESE ISSUES WITHOUT THAT.
HOW ABOUT, UH, HOW ABOUT BOBBY? ME, YOU AND DAVID? WE, UH, GOLF COURT SPLIT A GOLF COURT AND WE'LL DEDICATE IT TO THE HOL UH, HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL ATE.
YOU GUYS WANNA DO THAT? OH GOSH.
I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TODAY.
THE THREE OF US WILL BUY GOLF COURT AND WE'LL DEDICATED HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL.
SO THEY CAN JUST, UH, TURN TO FIND, UH, DIRECTION.
IS THIS SOMETHING TO COME BACK, UH, TO FERC WITH A MORE DETAILED PLAN? IS THIS GONNA RETURN TO COMMISSION, TO DIRECT ADMIN TO CONVERT 19TH STREET PARKING INTO A THREE HOUR MINIMUM? UH, AND THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS MIGHT BE A SIDE, UH, BAR ABOUT, I GUESS DONATING A, A GOLF CART TO THE HOLOCAUST MUSEUM, WHICH I ASSUME WOULD BE STAFFED BY GOLF, BY HOLOCAUST MUSEUM STAFF.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, UM, WELL LEAVE A, YOU KNOW, GIVE WILL DIRECTION TO WORK ON THAT, UH, THE DYNAMICS OF THAT PROGRAM.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD COME BACK TO FERC THEN.
I MEAN, JUST ABOUT THE LOGISTICS OF COORDINATING A GOLF CART SERVICE, UM, THAT THE HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL JUST ENGAGE IN BETTER DIALOGUE WITH THE HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL.
WE'LL TAKE LEAD, BOBBY CAN HELP COORDINATE ABOUT HOW WE CAN PROVIDE SERVICES FROM ONE OF OUR GARAGES TO THE HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL FOR EVENTS.
AND IF THEY NEED A GOLF CART, UH, WE, WE WILL LOOK TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THAT GOLF CART, THOSE GOLF CART, THAT GOLF CART HAS ACCESS TO THE FACILITIES.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO BE LIKE, HEY, YOU HAVE TO NOW GET FROM THE FIFTH FLOOR TO THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, AND THEN WE WOULDN'T, WELL, WE'LL TAKE THE DIRECTION.
UM, WE COULD, UH, EASILY MAKE THE PARKING SPACES ON 19TH A MAXIMUM OF THREE HOURS ADMINISTRATIVELY.
I MEAN, TECHNICALLY WE COULD DO IT TOMORROW.
UM, SO THAT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE AND THAT WOULD CREATE BETTER TURNOVER.
SO WE DON'T HAVE INDIVIDUALS, SO, UH, TO JUST SIT THERE ALL DAY.
AND SO THEREFORE IF PEOPLE WITH MOBILITY ISSUES ARE WANTING TO PARK CLOSER, THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO FIND A SPACE WITHIN A COUPLE FEET FROM THE DOOR RATHER THAN HAVING TO WALK.
SO I THINK I HAVE IT, UH, LET ME TRY THE MOTION HERE.
RETURNING COMMISSION, THE FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION, THE DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO CONVERT TO 19TH STREET PARKING NEAR THE HOLOCAUST, UH, MEMORIAL AS THREE HOUR MINIMUM.
AND FOR THE PARKING DEPARTMENT TO ENGAGE WITH THE HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL, UH, FOR SOLUTIONS THREE HOUR MAXIMUM, SAY WE DID IT.
UM, SO DO WE HAVE SOMEONE MAKING THAT MOTION? JUST TAKE OVER THE, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION COMMERCE PARKING.
UH, WHO IS SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
UM, WE HAVE THE 11:00 AM IT'S UH, DO MB SEVEN.
[NB 7. REFERRAL TO THE FINANCE AND ECONOMIC RESILIENCY COMMITTEE AND THE COMMITTEE FOR QUALITY EDUCATION TO DISCUSS COLLABORATION WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD TO RESURFACE BASKETBALL COURTS AT MIAMI BEACH HIGH SCHOOL FOR DUAL USE AS PICKLEBALL COURTS.]
OKAY.MB SEVEN, MB SEVEN REFERRAL TO THE FINANCE AND ECONOMIC RESILIENCY COMMITTEE AND THE COMMITTEE FOR QUALITY EDUCATION TO DISCUSS COLLABORATION WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD TO RESURFACE BASKETBALL COURTS AT MIAMI BEACH HIGH SCHOOL FOR DUAL USE AS PICKLEBALL COURTS MB SEVEN.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO TEE THIS UP.
THIS IS COMMISSIONER MATEO SALINAS AND I'S DUAL ITEM, I GUESS WE'RE CO PRIMES ON THIS.
UH, WE WENT TO A PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND IT WAS GREAT.
AND WE DID IT ON THE, ON THEIR BASKETBALL COURTS.
AND THEY TOLD US THAT, LOOK, NO ONE EVER USES THEM.
UM, AND WE'D LOVE TO KINDA ADAPT THEM TO A PICKLEBALL, UH, USE.
AND I ASKED, UH, THE DOCTOR HERE TO BROKER THE
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BEST DEAL POSSIBLE WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.SO WHAT DO YOU GOT? GOOD MORNING.
UH, SO THE REQUEST WAS TO ACTUALLY DISCUSS THE ITEM AT THE COMMITTEE FOR QUALITY EDUCATION, WHICH WE DID.
THEY PASSED A MOTION IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST.
UH, THEY VERY MUCH LIKE THE IDEA OF POTENTIALLY HAVING THE BASKETBALL COURTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE BEING USED FOR A DUAL PURPOSE.
UH, SOME OF THE, UH, MEMBERS INDICATED THAT FROM THEIR OBSERVATIONS, THE BASKETBALL COURTS OUTSIDE ARE UNDERUTILIZED BECAUSE THE STUDENTS ARE USING THE INSIDE BASKETBALL COURTS WITHIN THE GYM.
WE ACTUALLY ALSO DISCUSSED IT AT THE YOUTH COMMISSION MEETING.
AND, UH, THEY WERE A VERY, VERY, IT PIQUED THEIR INTEREST AS WELL.
SO, UH, NEXT STEPS WOULD BE IF THERE WAS A DESIRE TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, UH, WE WOULD NEED DIRECTION TO DO THAT.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE A JOINT USE AGREEMENT WITH MIAMI-DADE COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS THAT ALLOWS US ACCESS TO THE FIELD AND BASKETBALL COURTS IN THE PARKING LOT ADJACENT TO THE PLAY FIELD AT THE SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL FOR SUNDAY USE ONLY.
WE ARE IN THE FIFTH YEAR OF A FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT.
SO THE TIMING IS GOOD BECAUSE THAT WILL EXPIRE, I BELIEVE, IN NOVEMBER OF 2026.
SO AS PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, THE DISTRICT, UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY, IF THERE IS DIRECTION PROVIDED TO INCLUDE, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF RESURFACING AND STRIPING THAT COURT TO MAKE IT AN A DUAL FUNCTION, UH, A DUAL OPTION.
I BELIEVE THAT OUR, UM, PARKS, FACILITIES AND FLEET DIRECTOR IS HERE AS WELL, WHO MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UH, REGARDING, UM, WHAT THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY ENTAIL.
I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S JOHN, DON'T WORRY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO ENGAGE THE DISTRICT IN, UM, DISCUSSIONS ABOUT RESURFACING OR REPAINTING WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET ALL THAT FIGURED OUT AND WHO'S GONNA PAY AND THE COST SHARING AND WHATEVER, 'CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE A MINIMAL COST, I'M SURE, FOR RE STRIPING OR RE RIGHT.
SO THE MOTION ENGAGE THE DISTRICT, LET'S SEE WHAT WE GET AND LET'S COME BACK TO FERC MAYBE WITH THE PRICE.
AND DO YOU, DO YOU NEED DIRECTION FROM THE FULL CITY COMMISSION OR CAN IT BE FROM THE COMMITTEE? I BELIEVE WE WOULD NEED, UM, THIS TO GO BACK TO THE FULL COMMISSION SO THAT WE COULD THEN ENGAGE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND ALSO THAT WOULD INCLUDE OUR ABILITY TO NE TO NEGOTIATE THE EXTENSION OF THE CURRENT JUA TO INCLUDE, UH, THIS PART OF IT.
DO YOU, DO YOU THINK THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET MORE THAN JUST A SUNDAY? I THINK THAT, UM, SIX YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE NEGOTIATING FOR ACCESS, UH, THE CHALLENGE FOR ACCESS TO A HIGH SCHOOL FIELD AND BASKETBALL COURTS IS THAT THE HIGH SCHOOL UTILIZES THEIR FIELD AND COURTS AT MINIMUM SIX DAYS A WEEK, CERTAINLY MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
UH, THEY ARE ON THE FIELD USING IT.
THEY HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT SPORTS AND ACTIVITIES.
WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GAIN ANY ACCESS AT ALL MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, POTENTIALLY SATURDAYS.
BUT THE CURRENT AGREEMENT ALLOWS US TO NEGOTIATE ADDITIONAL ACCESS, UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH YEAR AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
SO IF, IF OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT DID WANNA REQUEST ADDITIONAL ACCESS, THEY CERTAINLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT, BUT WE'RE GUARANTEED, UH, ACCESS TO THE COMMUNITY ON SUNDAYS.
SO LET'S, I MAKE A MOTION TO SEND IT TO THE COMMISSION FOR, I ALREADY MADE THAT MOTION.
SO, SO MIKE, I, I THINK WHAT IT WOULD BE IS RETURN TO COMMISSION WITH FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO NEGOTIATE AN AMENDMENT TO THE JOINT USE AGREEMENT, UH, FOR THE MAYO BEACH SENIOR HIGH TO RESURFACE THE EXISTING, UH, BASKETBALL COURTS TO ACCOMMODATE BASKETBALL AND PICKLEBALL.
AND, AND ANY COST WOULD BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE, UH, BUDGET PRIORITY DURING THE 27 BUDGET PROCESS.
WE'LL SHOW THAT MOTION MADE, UH, SECONDED.
I SECOND, I'M SORRY, WHO WAS THE SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
[NB 5. DISCUSS POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS TO TROLLEY ADVERTISING REVENUE AND CONSIDER ISSUANCE OF AN RFP FOR ADVERTISING SERVICES. (PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT)]
EXCELLENT.WHY DON'T WE HEAR NB FIVE, UH, TROLLEY ADVERTISING? UM, I'VE LONG ADVOCATED FOR COMMISSIONER MATEO SALINAS HAS REALLY COMPOUNDED THESE EFFORTS ABOUT WAYS TO, UH, RAISE MORE MONEY INTO THE CITY.
UH, WE JUST HAD OUR FIRST BUDGET RETREAT, UH, FOR THE 2027 YEAR.
WE ACTUALLY FOCUSED ON TRANSPORTATION AND TALKED ABOUT PRIORITIZING, UH, ADVERTISING, UH, ADVERTISING REVENUE.
UM, WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE ITEM PREVIOUSLY, I THINK IT WAS BECAUSE, UH, I NOTICED A SIGNIFICANT LACK OF TROLLEYS WRAPPED IN THE CITY.
WE GOT AN LTCI DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN THE MEMO, IF ANYBODY HAS THAT HANDY
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ABOUT WHAT ARE, UH, PERCENTAGES.UM, BUT MR. CHAIR, I, JOSE, PLEASE, ACCORDING TO THE, UH, THE LATEST I NEED TO ANNOUNCE THE EDITOR, SORRY.
MB FIVE, DISCUSS POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS TO TROLLEY ADVERTISING REVENUE AND CONSIDER ISSUANCE OF AN RFP FOR ADVERTISING SERVICES MB FIVE.
SO, MR. CHAIR, TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, ACCORDING TO THE LATEST UPDATE FROM OUTFRONT MEDIA, THEY'RE OUR ADVERTISING, UH, COMPANY ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE, FOR THE EXTERIOR OF THE TROLLEY VEHICLES.
UH, SO ROUGHLY ABOUT, UM, IT WAS 11 OUT OF 30.
IT WAS 35%, 11 VEHICLES EQUATES TO 35% OF THE VEHICLES E EQUIPPED WITH ADVERTISING.
AND THAT WAS AS OF ABOUT, I WOULD SAY, A MONTH OR SO AGO WHEN THAT LTC CAME OUT THROUGH THE CHAIR.
SO YOU, SO THE STAFF ALREADY APPROVED A, AN ADVERTISING AGREEMENT FOR THE TROLLEYS.
THERE IS A CURRENT AGREEMENT, IS IT JUST FOR TROLLEYS OR IS IT FOR, IT'S ALL CITY ASSETS.
JUST FOR THE EXTERIOR OF THE TROLLEY VEHICLES.
THIS WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS EXECUTED, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 2022.
UM, AND IT'S CURRENTLY CONTINUING ON A MONTH TO MONTH.
WE PUT OUT THE SOLICITATION FOR THE TROLLEY WITH A COMBINATION OF THE ADVERTISING.
THAT'S WHEN WE CAME TO AWARD THE TROLLEY.
AND IF, AND IF YOU REMEMBER, WE KIND OF BIFURCATED A LITTLE BIT THE ADVERTISING TEMPORARILY TO BRING THIS TO FERC.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
I I DON'T, SO WE, SO THE COMMISSION PASSED IT IN 22, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN ADVERTISING ON IT UNTIL RECENTLY.
NO, THEY'VE BEEN, NO, WE'VE BEEN ADVERTISING EVER SINCE, UH, 2022.
IT'S JUST EXTERIOR'S OUR OCCUPANCY RATE.
ONLY ABOUT ONE OUT OF THREE TROLLEYS RIGHT.
HAS CURRENT ADVERTISING, WHICH WE GOT AN LTC AND, UH, MIKE, MAYBE, UH, YOU WERE, YOU'RE A REPRESENTATIVE OUT FRONT MEDIA, UH, COULD COME UP.
JOSE, IS IT SOLELY OUT FRONT THAT IS TASKED WITH FINDING THE ADVERTISING FOR THAT? YES, SIR.
MIKE, COULD YOU COME UP AND TALK ON THIS? WE GOT A LETTER TO COMMISSION FROM OUR CITY MANAGER SAYING, UH, WHAT THE OCCUPANCY WAS.
AND I SAY WITH MY OWN TOIS, AND I'D SAY IT'S PROBABLY EVEN DOWN FROM THAT 33%.
UH, SOME OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE GIVEN WERE, UH, LET A LEGISLATIVE ITEM WHERE WE ESSENTIALLY BANNED ALCOHOL ADVERTISING AND I GUESS NATIONWIDE, THAT THAT CONSTITUTES A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF SIMILAR TYPE ADVERTISING.
I DON'T ACCEPT THAT AS A SATISFACTORY ANSWER.
THE, WE ARE THE EPICENTER OF THE WORLD.
WE SAW OUR RESORT TAXES, OUR TOURIST AND VISITOR NUMBERS.
UH, WE ARE THE EVENT CAPITAL OF THE WORLD.
I, I AM JUST HARD PRESSED TO THINK THAT WE CAN'T DO A BETTER JOB AT ADVERTISING.
UM, LIKE I DON'T WANNA GET INTO A LONG, DRAWN OUT DISCUSSION.
WE JUST NEED A BETTER PARTNERSHIP AND EFFORT BETWEEN YOUR GROUP AND THE CITY.
UM, WHETHER IT BE LAWYERS, UH, HOSPITALITY, YOU, YOU GUYS ARE THE EXPERTS ON THAT.
WE JUST NEED BETTER UTILIZATION FOR THIS ONE, FOR THE REVENUE COMING IN.
THIS IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND WITH A STRUCTURAL DEFICIT, I'M SORRY, NOT AN ENTERPRISE FUND, BUT, UH, THERE'S A FUND WITH, UH, A STRUCTURAL DEFICIT.
SO WE NEED TO ADDRESS REVENUE ENHANCING OPPORTUNITIES.
AND JUST FROM THE PURE AESTHETICS OF THE CITY, UH, THERE ARE OLDER, OUTDATED BUSES.
OF COURSE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING, UH, NEW ONES.
BUT UNTIL THAT TIME COMES, UM, THEY LOOK RUN DOWN AND RAGGED.
AND ACTUALLY ADVERTISING ISN'T GOING TO HELP THAT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO A LONG DRAWN OUT, OH, THIS IS WHY IT HAPPENED.
LET'S ALL COLLECTIVELY DO BETTER.
PLEASE, LET'S PRIORITIZE THIS.
JOSE, I WANNA POINT PERSON FROM OUR CITY THAT IS PROVIDING BIWEEKLY UPDATES ON THIS.
THIS IS A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WE'RE JUST LETTING GO TO WASTE.
ARE THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS THAT WE CAN CHANGE OR REVIEW OR LOOK AT THAT WOULD HELP US GET MORE REVENUE SUCH AS THE ALCOHOL, YOU KNOW, SALES OR WHATEVER, OR ADVERTISERS OR, I THINK SOMEONE HAD TOLD ME, AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHO, BUT THERE WAS, INSTEAD OF WRAPPING THE WHOLE TROLLEY, WE'VE OPTED TO ONLY WRAP FROM TIRE TO TIRE.
AND SO WE MIGHT GET MORE REVENUE IF WE WRAP THE WHOLE TROLLEY, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, YEARS PASSED, WE DIDN'T D DECIDE TO DO THAT.
BUT ANY OTHER TYPE OF RESTRICTIONS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AND REVIEW THAT WOULD BRING US MORE REVENUE.
WHAT'S THE BACKGROUND ON THE PERCENTAGE
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WRAP? SO IF I MAY, AND FOR THE RECORD, MIKE ES AND LAW, UH, WE REPRESENT OUTFRONT MEDIA AND I'M JOINED TODAY BY LONNIE FARROW, WHO'S THE VP OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS AND GUS DE SADA, WHO'S THE VP OF SALES.SO QUICK BACK, THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES.
THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CHANGES THAT CAN BE MADE TO INCREASE REVENUE.
THE BACKGROUND, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, ON THE ACTUAL FORMAT IS THAT THIS WAS ORIGINALLY A PIGGYBACK OF A CITY OF MIAMI CONTRACT.
THERE'S A SEPARATE SUCCESSOR CONTRACT IN PLACE.
NOW, THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF MIAMI OUTLINED VERY SPECIFICALLY WHICH AREAS OF THE TROLLEY COULD CONTAIN ADVERTISING.
AND SO THE CITY'S PROGRAM WAS, WAS ADAPTED TO BASICALLY MATCH THE CITY OF WHY, WHY IS THAT? THERE HAD TO BE A RHYME OR REASON? I I, I THINK THEY WANTED ENOUGH OF THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, ORIGINAL TROLLEY TO BE VISIBLE, TO MAINTAIN SOME SORT OF SENSE OF BRANDING, IDENTIFICATION, ET CETERA.
THAT WAS THE CITY OF MIAMI'S DECISION.
AND SO WE SORT OF INHERITED THAT OVER HERE.
THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES, AND IN FACT, JUST RECENTLY, UH, SEVERAL OUT FRONT EXECUTIVES AND OUT FRONT IS THE LARGEST TRANSIT ADVERTISING COMPANY IN THE, IN THE COUNTRY.
PROBABLY THE WORLD, CERTAINLY IN THE COUNTRY BY FAR.
UM, THEY WERE IN EUROPE RECENTLY EXPLORING BEST PRACTICES AND LOOKING AMONG OTHER THINGS AT THIS, THERE ARE LUXURY BRANDS THAT WANT TO DO UNIQUE THINGS INVOLVING FOUR WRAPS.
WE HAVE NOT HISTORICALLY BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT HERE.
UM, ANOTHER, UH, REVENUE GENERATING, IT'S NOT COMPLICATED.
YEAH, IF YOU GUYS WANNA JOIN AND I HAVE A, I HAVE A, A COUPLE OF RENDERINGS IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.
AND AGAIN, LONNIE FARROW, UM, VICE PRESIDENT OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS AND OUT FRONT AND I JUST, I PUT TOGETHER A QUICK PRESENTATION.
UM, CERTAINLY NOT SOMETHING THAT WE, UM, WANNA HARP ON.
THE, THE ALCOHOL RESTRICTION IS, IS, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKES UP ABOUT 30% OF THE BUSINESS CATEGORIES THAT WE'RE ADVERTISED ON THE TROLLEYS.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHY IS IT NOT SURE THAT, WHY IS THE SIX OF STICKS P PJ? IS IT, IS IT POSSIBLE IF IT'S OKAY WITH, WITH, UH, YOU MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER, A DRIVING GUCCI BAG IF YOU WENT OVER TO EUROPE INSIDE
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A SIDE SIX THAT'S NOT SHOWING UP HERE, WHICH IS THE SLIDE EXACTLY.
THAT SHOWS THE FULL WRAP OF THE VEHICLE.
CAN YOU SHOW US ON YOUR COMPUTER? ON MY, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? HOLD ON.
AND THEN, UM, I ALSO WANNA ASK LAST SLIDE.
SO, UM, OUR LEADERSHIP TEAM, OKAY, SO OUR LEADERSHIP TEAM, UM, AS A, IN SALES MARKETING, ASSET DEVELOPMENT, OFTEN BENCHMARKS WITH NATIONAL, UH, AND INTERNATIONAL, UH, TRANSIT BRANDS.
AND SO JUST LAST WEEK WE WERE IN LONDON LOOKING AT THEIR ENTIRE TRANSIT ENTITY, ALL THE LIGHT RAIL TROLLEYS.
UH, THE COMMISSIONER, I ARE GOING TO SPONSOR AN ITEM, ALLOW, THAT'S WHAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN.
UH, IF WE WANTED TO DO A FULL TROLLEY WRAP, WE WOULD NEED TO SPONSOR AN ITEM ALLOWING THIS.
'CAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE'S AN ORDINANCE SAYING YOU CAN'T, SO WOULD WE HAVE TO, IS THERE AN ORDINANCE NEED TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE, IS WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO, YEAH, SO, SO I THINK THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT, WHICH WAS A PIGGYBACK OFF THE CITY OF MIAMI CONTRACT, DID NOT ALLOW FOR IT.
THERE WAS ANOTHER CONTRACT PUT IN PLACE.
THE IDEA BEING THAT THERE WOULD BE A STATUS QUO UNTIL THE NEW TROLLEY, FULL TROLLEY CONTRACT WAS AWARDED.
AND SO WE MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO.
I DO BELIEVE THAT UNDER THE EXISTING CONTRACT, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN EXPLORE WITH, WITH, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY, I DO BELIEVE THERE'S MORE FLEXIBILITY RIGHT NOW IF IT'S THE CITY COMMISSION'S WILL, WE WOULD LOVE TO EXPAND FORMAT TO EXPLORE SOME OF THESE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES, ESPECIALLY WITH LUXURY BRANDS.
'CAUSE ABSOLUTELY, ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN, UM, IS OBVIOUSLY THE PROGRAM TOOK A HIT AFTER THE ALCOHOL PROHIBITION.
'CAUSE IT MADE UP 30% OF SALES.
AND I FALL SHORT OF ALLOWING ALCOHOL AGAIN AND OUT, OUT, OUT FRONT FOUND WAYS TO INCREASE REVENUE.
SO 2024 WAS ACTUALLY A, A SORT OF RECORD BREAKING YEAR.
2025 WAS A BIT OF AN ABERRATION.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE BECAUSE SEVERAL OF YOU NOTICED THE REVENUE IN 2025.
WE THINK IT WAS MAINLY DUE TO A COUPLE THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, NATIONWIDE TRENDS WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSIT ADVERTISING, THERE WAS A DIP.
AND NUMBER TWO, DEPLOYMENT OF NEW DIGITAL, UH, ASSETS ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY, RIGHT.
NATIONAL BRANDS, LUXURY BRANDS STARTED MOVING TOWARD THAT OUT FRONT HAS ADJUSTED THEIR STRATEGY.
AND JUST BY WAY OF COM WAY OF COMPARISON, UH, THE REVENUE GENERATED THIS YEAR, 2026 THROUGH THE FIRST FOUR MONTHS
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IS HIGHER THAN IT WAS FOR THE 12 MONTHS OF 2025.SO, SO THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAUGHT YOUR ATTENTION WAS AN ABERRATION.
AND I THINK A LOT OF YOU HAD LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY, WHY REVENUE WAS SO LOW IN 25.
UH, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THERE'S AN UPSWING.
ARE ARE WE, UH, CURRENTLY I HAVE, I HAVE A COMMENT TOO.
ARE WE, UH, HOW, HOW MANY MORE YEARS OF THE CONTRACT DO WE HAVE WITHOUT FRONT? SO THIS CONTRACT WAS IN PLACE FOR AN INITIAL TERM OF THREE MONTHS WITH THREE MONTH RENEWALS.
THE IDEA, OKAY, SO WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE, THE, THE SPLIT COST OR THE REVENUE SHARE FOR THE CITY TO OUT FRONT? SO THE, YEAH.
THE, THE CONTRACT THAT'S IN PLACE RIGHT NOW IS 52.5% TO THE CITY WITH THE BALANCE GOING TO OUT FRONT.
WHAT DOES THE CITY OF MIAMI HAVE? THE CITY OF MIAMI IS STRUCTURED DIFFERENTLY, UM, FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS.
BOTH, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT TELL ME THAT THEY HAVE A BETTER DEAL.
AND AND, AND THE REASON THAT I, I DO THINK IT IS A BETTER DEAL IS BECAUSE THERE WAS, UH, INTEREST WHEN WE WERE PUTTING THIS CONTRACT TOGETHER.
WELL, YOU, YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR BILLBOARDS EVERYWHERE AT THE BUS STOPS, RIGHT? WHAT IS THAT PERCENTAGE BREAKDOWN? SO, SO OUTFRONT MEDIA DOES OPERATE THE ADVERTISING AT BOTH THE CITY OF MIAMI AND CITY OF MIAMI BEACH, UH, SHELTER, YOU KNOW, SHELTERS, WHICH GENERATES SIGNIFICANT REVENUE.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE REVENUE BREAKOUT PERCENTAGE IN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH? YEAH, THE REVENUE GENER, I I NOT THE REVENUE, WHAT THE, THE, THE PERCENTAGE SHARE THE SHARE.
10% OF REVENUES TO THE CITY AT THIS PHASE.
SO I, UH, THE TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR IS SAYING THAT IT'S 10% AND THE CITY OF MIAMI, THE CITY OF MIAMI IS DIFFERENT.
UM, CITY OF MIAMI BEACH, UH, SHELTER PROGRAM IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE OUT FRONT MADE A CAPITAL COMMITMENT OF 20 OR $25 MILLION TO BUILD OUT THE PROGRAM AND THEN OPERATE IT, WHICH COSTS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
SO I JUST WANT MY COLLEAGUES TO KNOW THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT TO SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, LET'S GET ALL THIS OUT, BUT WE SHOULD REALLY FOCUS ALSO ON THE, UH, THE CONTRACT.
AND I, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK 50% IS ENOUGH OR 52%.
I THINK IT SHOULD AT MINIMUM BE 70%, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ON OUR CITY PROPERTY.
AND AS FAR AS THE, THE COST OF THE WRAP, I'M ASSUMING OUT FRONT PAYS ALL OF THAT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE JUST GOTTA BE REALLY SMART ON HOW WE STRUCTURE THE DEAL.
UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT MAY SOUND GREAT, BUT THERE'S ALSO GONNA BE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA COMPLAIN LIKE, OH, WELL WHY ARE THERE SO MANY ADVERTISING? AT LEAST WE CAN SAY WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD DEAL TO BRING IN, UM, A LOT OF MONEY TO THIS, THIS TRANSPORTATION FUND.
SO
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT DIP THAT YOU EXPERIENCED IN 2025 WAS ALSO AS WE BEGAN TO INSTALL A LOT OF THE DIGITAL PANELS AT THE SHELTERS, THE, THE ADVERTISER INTEREST SHIFTED THERE BECAUSE OF OUR PRO, THE ASIA PROGRAMMATIC AND DIGITAL MOVING AROUND THE CITY GAVE THEM MORE OPTIONS IN THAT SPACE.
BUT AGAIN, THERE ARE CERTAINLY ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE CAN MAKE TO BOLSTER THE TOP, THE TROLLEY PROGRAM AND THE DIGITAL SHELTER PROGRAM.
SO IT JUST TAKES, YEAH, IT TAKES THAT TIME.
THERE, THERE ARE WHEN CONFERENCES COME TO TOWN.
ESPECIALLY MIAMI BEACH WHERE YOU HAVE AN EXPANDING, UH, AUDIENCE.
SO LET, LET'S DO BETTER ON THIS.
UM, HAPPY TO SUPPORT GETTING THE BEST CONTRACT THAT WE CAN.
WE WON'T NEGOTIATE THAT FROM THE DA.
UH, SOMETHING I JUST WANNA NEGOTIATE.
I ALSO WANNA MAKE A COMMENT TOO THAT, UM, AND THEN COMMISSIONER BOT, THANK YOU.
UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE THE COMMENT THAT LUXURY BRANDS ARE GREAT AND ABSOLUTELY THAT'S SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY WANNA SEE HERE.
BUT WE ALSO ARE HEALTH AND WELLNESS TOWN.
SO BIGGER SPORTING GOODS BRANDS LIKE ADIDAS, AND I DON'T WANNA TELL YOU HOW TO DO YOUR JOB.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THOUGH THEY TYPICALLY ADVERTISE ON TROLLEYS OR NOT, BUT MAYBE APPROACHING SOME SPORTING, YOU KNOW, HEALTH WELLNESS BRANDS.
YOU KNOW, IF I, IF I COULD, 80% OF THE ADVERTISING THAT WE'RE SELLING ABOUT 80, 85% OF THE ADVERTISING THAT WE'RE SELLING ON TROLLEYS IS LOCAL BUSINESSES.
SO NOT SO MUCH OF THE NATIONAL INTEREST.
LIKELY IF WE DID A FULL BUS WRAP, YOU'D SEE THE NATIONAL INTEREST EVERYWHERE, BUT MOSTLY NOW LOCAL REAL ESTATE, UH, HEALTH.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF FIU AND, UM, ADVERTISING ON THOSE TROLLEYS.
YOU WOULD SEE A SHIFT IF THAT WAS YES.
AND WE'RE INTERESTED IN THE FULL WRAP.
SO HOPEFULLY WE WILL SEE THAT SHIFT.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BOB, I'M SORRY, I'VE BEEN JUMPING OUTTA MY SKIN BECAUSE MY ENTIRE CAREER HAS BEEN, UM, UH, BRANDING
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AND ADVERTISING AND MARKETING.SO I AM ACTUALLY GONNA TELL YOU HOW TO DO YOUR JOB.
UM, I WANT TO, UM, I WANT US TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO REIMAGINE WHAT WE DO WITH THESE MOVING BILLBOARDS.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID ABOUT A BETTER DEAL, BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO USE THIS AS A CANVAS TO ELEVATE OUR BRAND AS A CITY.
AND THEREBY THAN GENERATING MORE, BETTER, MORE IMPACTFUL AWARENESS FOR YOUR CLIENTS, THEREBY ENABLING THEM TO HAVE TO, UH, HAVE MORE SALES AND US TO CHARGE HIGHER RATES.
RIGHT? I DON'T WANNA HEAR, WELL, THIS IS WHAT THEY DO IN MIAMI, OR THE AVERAGE NATIONAL TREND IS THIS, OR NEW YORK.
WE ARE CHANGING TO HEALTH AND WELLBEING, UM, AND TECH, UM, CAPITAL OF THE WORLD.
IF YOU WANNA TAKE A GOOD EXAMPLE, THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA.
THERE IS A BUILDING ON OCEAN DRIVE THAT HAS BEEN EFFECTIVELY WRAPPED.
IT TOOK, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, 12 OR 13 VERSIONS OF THAT.
UM, WAS THAT YOU GUYS, DID YOU WORK ON THAT? MM-HMM.
UM, 12 OR 13 VERSIONS TO GET TO THE FINAL ACCEPTABLE ITERATION FOR MULTIPLE REASONS.
NOT, NOT THE CITY, THE THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE BUILDINGS, LIKE, AND WHO IS IN THIS BUSINESS, BY THE WAY.
THAT DOESN'T COME, THAT DOESN'T ELEVATE THE BRAND.
IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT REPRESENTING THE FILM, IT'S NOT REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE A VERY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE FIVE YEARS AGO, 10 YEARS AGO, 20 YEARS AGO, WE DID NOT HAVE THE BRAND THAT WE ARE BUILDING RIGHT NOW.
AND I WILL ABSOLUTELY, AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER PERCENTAGE IS LOCAL MOM AND POP ADVERTISING, THAT'S GREAT.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL RESERVE FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO DO THAT, THAT'S FINE.
BUT WE SHOULD BE INTENTIONALLY BUILDING.
AND I'M, THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING THIS FOR EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM IS BECAUSE AS YOU NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT, WE SHOULD BE INTENTIONALLY BUILDING A PLATFORM THAT CATERS TO EYE POPPING, BEAUTIFUL, ELEGANT, UNDERSTATED, UM, WITTY, UM, MARKETING CAMPAIGNS THAT ARE NOT JUST ABOUT, OH, YOU KNOW, POPPING BOTTLES AND BIG BOOTIES, RIGHT? DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT.
I KNOW YOU GUYS DO, I KNOW YOU GUYS DO
NO, BUT I MEAN,
LIKE, WILL YOU HAVE THIS INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THESE REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY ALSO BE, UM, PART OF WHAT PEOPLE LOVE TO SEE HERE, RIGHT? LIKE, YOU DON'T WANNA SEE A TROLLEY THAT'S GOT BORING ADS OF YOUR LOCAL LI YOU KNOW, INJURY AT YOUR PERSONAL INJURY ATTORNEY.
NOT, NOT FOR US, BUT TO SEE A TROLLEY THAT IS BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED AND WRAPPED IN A THOUGHTFUL WAY.
AND ALSO BY THE WAY, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CHARGE MORE MONEY AND YOUR CLIENTS WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL A BRAND STORY, WHICH IS SUPER DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THEY ARE NORMALLY ABLE TO DO.
AND I JUST WANNA PUT IT OUT THERE SO THAT AS WE ARE ALL WORKING ON THIS, FROM THE PROCUREMENT SIDE, FROM TRANSPORTATION, FROM LEGAL, FROM YOUR SIDE, UM, WORKING WITH YOUR ADVERTISERS, AND I'D LIKE MELISSA TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS AS WELL.
UM, I, I DON'T WANT US TO MISS THE OPPORTUNITY AND SHORTCHANGE THE EFFORT TO BE FAIR, THE LOVELY LADY WAS ACTUALLY JUST ABOUT TO PRESENT IT AND I ASKED HER TO HOLD OFF, UH, UH, FOR BREVITY REASONS BECAUSE WE MAY NEED A LEGISLATIVE ITEM TO ALLOW THE FULLER WRAP.
HOW DOES THAT WORK, RICK? WELL, THAT WAS NEWS TO ME.
I, I, I'M NOT AWARE, AND I THINK MIKE MENTIONED THAT THE, THE ISSUE MAY NOT BE THE, THE ORDINANCES, BUT RATHER THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS IN PLACE WITH MIAMI, THAT, THAT, THAT HAD THOSE RESTRICTIONS.
AND IF I, BUT WHY ARE WE JUDGING WHAT WE ARE DOING BASED ON WHAT MIAMI'S DOING? NO, OUR CONTRACT WAS THAT RIGHT? IT WAS ORIGINALLY PIGGYBACK.
OH, WE JUST COPIED THE MIAMI CONTRACT ORIGINATED.
BUT WHY, WHY DON'T WE HAVE OUR OWN? WELL, WE'RE EXPLORING THIS.
WE'RE WE WERE GETTING TO THAT BEFORE YOU SHOWED UP
AND I ALSO HAVE A GREAT PHOTO THAT YOU NEED TO SEE ABOUT SOME OF THE APPS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
YES, SHE'LL, SHE'LL SHOW YOU THE GREAT PHOTO.
SO THIS IS, SO, SO WE WANT TO COME THIS BACK TO FE.
THAT'S EXACTLY THE, THE POINT WAS SPEAKING WITH CHRISTIE FROM PROCUREMENT.
I THINK THE, SEEING THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS A, A VERY GOOD INTEREST IN EXPANDING, YOU KNOW, CHARLIE REVENUE ADVERTISING REVENUES.
AND IT APPEARS THAT, UM, THE BOTH THE VENDOR AND STAFF WILL HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OF THAT.
I THINK THAT NOW WE HAVE SOME, NOW WE CAN'T HAVE THE DIRECTION, BUT THAT THIS WOULD RETURN TO FERC WITH SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FOR CONTRACT AMENDMENTS TO ENHANCE TROLLEY ADVERTISING REVENUES TO THE CITY.
I WOULD PREFER IT TO GO RIGHT TO FULL COMMISSION.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED IT TO PUDDLE AROUND IN COMMITTEE.
I THINK WE WILL GET FULL SUPPORT ON THIS COMMISSION.
SO CAN WE JUST GO TO FULL COMMISSION WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND DISCUSS IT THERE? WE COULD, WE COULD SHOW IT TO RETURN TO, UH, COMMISSION WITH
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A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION WITH SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS.WITH THAT, I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO THEN TAKE TIME AWAY FROM A COMMISSION MEETING TO GET THE DETAILS TO BASICALLY IRON OUT DETAILS.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY IT'S IN COMMITTEE.
AND YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF WE, IF THE COM, THE FULL COMMISSION IS REALLY THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO DO THAT.
I, I THINK IT IS, BUT RESPECTFULLY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IS THIS A ONE OR TWO? HOW ABOUT WE HAVE A SUNSHINE MEETING BEFORE THEN, ONE OR TWO READINGS OF COMMISSION.
JUST COMMISSIONER MATT SALINAS AND I, IF YOU WANNA JUST, I MEAN I'M FINE WITH THAT.
UM, I, I GUESS I JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S EITHER GONNA CLOG UP COMMISSIONER OR IT'S GONNA CLOG UP HER DIRECT.
YEAH, WE CAN'T GIVE DIRECTION, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY GIVE FEEDBACK AND SINCE COMMISSIONER BOTTA IS A MEDIA EXPERT, WE CAN, WE CAN LEAN ON HER FOR HER EXPERT.
SO LET'S JUST PAUSE FOR A SECOND, RICK, SOME DIRECTION HERE.
UM, DO WE HAVE TO MODIFY THIS IN OUR FUTURE CONTRACT OR EXISTING CONTRACT? I WOULD LIKE THE, THE DIRECTOR OF PROCUREMENT TO LET US KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
BECAUSE I HEARD EARLIER THAT WE HAD BIFURCATED THIS ITEM.
THERE WAS AN ACTIVE RFP, UM, AND THE RFP HAS NOT BEEN AWARDED, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO THE, IT WAS AN ITNI BELIEVE, AND IT WAS FOR THE TROLLEY, UM, SERVICES, BUT ALSO IT INCORPORATED ADVERTISING.
THE PROPOSER, WHICH WAS LSF SUBMITTED OUT FRONT AS THEIR SUB FOR THE ADVERTISING COMPONENT AT THE AWARD OF THE ITEM.
WE KIND OF PUT ASIDE THE ADVERTISING BECAUSE THE, THE DEAL AT THE MOMENT WAS NOT IN OUR BEST INTEREST.
AND, UM, COMMISSIONER SWAS REQUESTED US TO KIND OF GO BACK TO THE TABLE FRONT.
SO AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE EXECUTED THE AGREEMENT WITH LSF FOR THE TROLLEY SERVICES AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY TRYING TO DECIPHER AND IS THE INTENT, MIKE, THAT THIS WOULD BE AN AGREEMENT WITH LSF OR WOULD WE HAVE A DIRECT AGREEMENT WITH FRONT LIKE WE CURRENTLY HAVE? SO I THINK THAT'S THE DECISION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE BY THIS BODY.
THE ORIGINAL INTENTION WAS TO NEGOTIATE SOME OF THESE TERMS, INCLUDING COMMISSIONER THE REVENUE SPLIT, INCLUDING, UM, POTENTIAL RESTRICTIONS ON DIFFERENT CATEGORIES LIKE ALCOHOL AND INCLUDING FORMAT CHANGES TO ENHANCE REVENUE AND INCREASE, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST THE GENERAL LOOK AND FEEL.
UM, THE IDEA WHEN COULD WE REALISTICALLY EXPECT TO GET THE NEW TROLLEY FLEET UP AND RUNNING? SO I I, I ACTUALLY JUST SPOKE TO THEM YESTERDAY, I BELIEVE THAT THEY MANAGED TO ACCELERATE THE DELIVERY OF THE FIRST TROLLEYS, WHICH MAY BE COMING NOW IN Q1 OF 2027.
THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO COME IN Q3, Q4, UM, SO THAT'S POSITIVE.
THEN I GUESS THEN WHAT I'LL ASK, AND I'LL RELY ON OUT FRONT MEDIA FOR THIS, IS IT WORTH AMENDING OUR EXISTING AGREEMENT NOW TO ALLOW FOR FULL TROLLEY ADVERTISING? SO WE CAN DO THAT IN THE INTERIM AND THEN THAT WILL BE A PART OF OUR CONTRACT, WHAT WE LOOK FOR IN OUR, UH, PRO FORMA CONTRACTS WITH THE ADVERTISING.
SO WHAT, WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST OR RESPECTFULLY, UM, YOU KNOW, REQUEST IS THAT WE NEGOTIATE SOME OF THESE TERMS AND EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF EITHER REINCORPORATING IT BACK INTO THE TROLLEY CONTRACT AS ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED AS AN AMENDMENT OR PRESENT IT TO THE COMMISSION AS A STANDALONE CONTRACT.
EITHER WAY, THE IMPORTANT THING IS FOR THE PARTIES TO GET TOGETHER YEP.
AND AGREE ON IMPROVED FINANCIAL TERMS AND REVENUE ENHANCEMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE COMMISSION CAN DECIDE WHETHER TO, SO, SO LET'S SEND THAT TO THE FULL COMMISSION IN THE INTERIM, I THINK YOU SEE AT LEAST FOUR VOTES OF SUPPORT HERE.
SO READ THE TEA LEAVES, DON'T WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THIS APPROVED BY THE FULL COMMISSION.
GO OUT IN THE ROOM AND START TODAY ABOUT MODIFYING OUR EXISTING CONTRACT AND THEN BE SURE WE'RE INCORPORATING THIS INTO OUR GO FORWARD CONTRACT.
BUT IF YOU'RE TELLING US THAT WE CAN GET ELEVATED ENHANCED ADVERTISING SERVICES FOR OUR BUSES, IF WE INCORPORATE A FULL TROLLEY WRAP, LET'S START THAT PROCESS RIGHT NOW FOR THE EXISTING CONTRACT, WE'LL REFER THAT TO THE FULL COMMISSION FOR FORMAL APPROVAL.
BUT YEAH, FOUR VOTES OF SUPPORT FOR THAT HERE.
SO DO IT AFTER THIS MEETING, UM, AND THEN INCORPORATE THAT FOR OUR NEXT CONTRACT GOING FORWARD.
AND WE HAVE A BIT MORE LEEWAY ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
YEAH, I JUST, I JUST WANNA CAUTION MY COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE NEGOTIATING TERMS AT A COMMISSION MEETING.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE HERE.
AND BECAUSE WELL, NOBODY'S NEGOTIATING TERMS. YEAH.
WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF ARE NEGOTIATE, WELL, THE STAFF IS TECHNICALLY NEGOTIATE AND THEN IT COMES TO US FOR APPROVAL, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND SO THAT'S WHERE, SO THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD AND IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK OR WE THINK IS GONNA BE ENOUGH FOR THE CITY, THEN AGAIN,
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I THINK IT'S BETTER AT A COMMITTEE MEETING, RIGHT? BUT WE ONLY HAVE A FEW MONTHS LEFT ON THIS EXISTING CONTRACT, RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT RENEGOTIATING ALL OF THESE TERMS. THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE AMENDING IS TO ALLOW FULL BODY ADVERTISING FOR THE NEXT FIVE MONTHS OF THIS EXISTING CONTRACT.AND THEN THE TERMS THAT'LL BE IMPORTANT TO ESSENTIALLY HASH OUT ARE GOING TO BE ON OUR, UH, GO FORWARD CONTRACT.
SO WHEN IS THE GO FORWARD CONTRACT? WHEN, WHEN ONE COULD STAFF COME BACK WITH, IF I MAY, THROUGH THE CHAIR.
I THINK WHAT THE COMMITTEE INTENDS TO DO, BUT YOU KNOW, PLEASE CONFIRM, IS TO SEND THIS BACK WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO AMEND THE EXISTING CONTRACT TO ALLOW FOR THE WRAPS AND THEN TO DIRECT STAFF TO NEGOTIATE TERMS FOR THE NEW CONTRACT WITH OUT FRONT.
AND THEN POTENTIALLY TO RETURN TO COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE FINANCIAL TURKS.
SO, SO I CAN, I THINK, I THINK RICK, RICK HAD IT, BUT I JUST WANNA REPEAT IT.
RETURN TO COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE, UH, AMEND THE EXISTING CONTRACT TO ALLOW FOR FULL, FULL TROLLEY WRAPS.
AND THE ITEM WILL STAY HERE AND RETURN TO FERC WITH SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, UH, FOR THE NEW CONTRACT TO ENHANCE, UH, TROLLEY ADVERTISING REVENUES TO THE CITY.
EVERYBODY'S LINE IN AGREEMENT.
COMMISSIONER SUAREZ SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER.
THAT, THAT MAKES ME HAPPY BECAUSE I, I GET THESE, WHAT ARE THE TERM, UH, YOUNG, I GET MICROAGGRESSIONS WHEN I SIT AT PURA VITA AND I SEE SIX UNWRAPPED TROLLEYS GO BY.
'CAUSE I SAY MY CITIES AS A TAXPAYER, I AM LOSING MONEY EVERY TIME.
ONE OF THOSE GOES BY WITHOUT A WRAP.
MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.
UH, COMMISSIONER BOT, THE, IS IT 1130 YET? YES.
LET'S DO THE PAL, UH, THAT HAS A 1130 TIME SURGEON.
[NB 6. DISCUSS ESTABLISHMENT OF A RECURRING GRANT TO THE MIAMI BEACH POLICE ATHLETIC LEAGUE IN HONOR OF THE LATE SERGEANT DAVID A. CAJUSO.]
MB SIX WILL BE CALLED NEXT MB SIX DISCUSSED ESTABLISHMENT OF A RECURRING GRANT TO THE MIAMI BEACH POLICE ATHLETIC LEAGUE IN HONOR OF THE LATE SERGEANT DAVID CARUSO, MB SIX.UM, IRONICALLY WE JUST SPENT HOW MANY HOURS YESTERDAY TALKING ABOUT RECURRING GRANTS VERSUS ONE TIME GRANTS.
UM, SO I'M VERY MINDFUL OF THIS.
I ALSO KNOW THAT, UM, A RECURRING GRANT TO AN ORGANIZATION LIKE POWELL HAS INCREDIBLE DIVIDENDS BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED TO SPEND RESOURCES EVERY YEAR, UM, UM, SCRAMBLING TO MAKE UP THE FUNDS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE, UH, AVAILABLE.
AND THE MONEY GOING TO THE POWELL ORGANIZATION IS INVESTED IN OUR MOST AT RISK KIDS.
THE STATISTICS, DEB ISN'T HERE, BUT I'M SURE CHIEF JONES CAN TIE, YOU KNOW, TROT OFF A WHOLE LIST OF STA STATISTICS ABOUT KIDS WHO COME THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND NOW ARE ARE EMPLOYEES AT, AT THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT WHO END UP GOING TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, TO, TO WORK THERE, TO WHO GO TO COLLEGE AND COME FROM BACKGROUNDS WHERE COLLEGE WAS NEVER IN THEIR, UM, HORIZON.
PEOPLE WHO COME FROM REALLY CHALLENGING BACKGROUNDS AND FIND THEIR WAY TO BEING MENTORS FOR OTHERS, FOR WORKING, UM, IN CAREERS THAT THEY NEVER IMAGINED.
I CANNOT IMAGINE A BETTER, MORE IMPORTANT INVESTMENT, UM, WITH A VERY SMALL, UH, DOLLAR SIGN ATTACHED TO IT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $10,000 A YEAR, AND, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR SUPPORT TO DO THIS GOING FORWARD.
CHIEF, WOULD YOU MIND COMING UP AND JUST, JUST TO ADD TO THAT COMMISSIONER WITH SUPPORT, I MOVE? YEAH.
JUST TO ADD TO THAT, COMMISSIONER I AND CHIEF KNOWS THIS, I, I DECIDED TO DONATE MY ENTIRE SALARY TO ZOS FAMILY, UM, FOR AS LONG AS I SERVE.
AND IT HAPPENED, UM, SHORTLY AFTER HIS PASSING.
SO IT'S, UM, I'LL BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AS WELL.
CHIEF, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU SHOULD RELY ON THAT FOR TOO MANY MORE YEARS, SIR.
NOT SURE IF YOU SHOULD RELY ON THAT FOR MANY MORE YEARS.
SALARY IS ONLY SIX GRAND, RIGHT? WELL, IT IT'S ALL OF IT.
IT'S ALL THE, THE BENEFITS THAT WE GET.
I THINK 16,000 MORNING, UH, POLICE CHIEF.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I OFTEN BRAG ABOUT THE, THE CITY, UM, AND I REFER TO IT, UH, AS A CAPITAL WORLD, UH, NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF WHAT ALL IT REPRESENTS, ITS BEAUTY, UM, ITS CULTURE, UM, BUT MORE SO BECAUSE I FEEL AS AN EMPLOYEE HERE FOR MORE THAN THREE DECADES, IT'S A FAMILY.
YOU KNOW, I WAS TOUCHED WHEN, UM, I WAS TOUCHED, UH, WHEN COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, UH, SAID TO ME HE WAS GONNA DONATE HIS, HIS ANNUAL SALARY TO THE WIDOW OF DEO TO HELP WITH, UH, HIS FAMILY.
UM, TOUCH TODAY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, AS YOU TALK ABOUT, UM, HONORING HIM BY, UH, POSSIBLY IMPLEMENTING
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THIS, THIS, UH, FUNDING SOURCE FOR, FOR SCHOLARSHIPS, UM, LIKE FAMILIES, WE DON'T ALWAYS JUST AGREE.BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, I THINK LIKE FAMILIES, WHEN ONE OF US NEEDS HELP, THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY COMES TOGETHER, LED BY, UH, YOU, SO I, I'M GRATEFUL AND HONORED THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING DOING THIS.
UM, IT JUST SPEAKS TO WHY THE CITY IS SO EXCEPTIONAL AS, UH, MR. MAGAZINE MENTIONED EARLIER TODAY AND, AND WHY WE SHOULD BE AND IS, UH, THE CAPITAL WORLD BECAUSE IT'S ALL THE FAMILY COMING TOGETHER WHEN WE NEED EACH OTHER MOST.
I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT EVENT COMING UP FOR HIM IN ABOUT, UH, 10 DAYS AS WELL.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE LEADERSHIP ON THAT AS WELL.
UM, I THINK IT'S JUST NOW BEING PUBLICIZED AND I JUST LEARNED ABOUT THIS STATE LAST WEEK AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WAS NOT ASKED FOR, BUT PEOPLE CARRY ENOUGH, UH, TO TAKE CARE OF, OF FOLKS WHEN THEY NEED, UH, TO BE TAKEN CARE OF AND, AND, AND THEIR FAMILY NEED, NEED HELP.
SO JOE, WHAT'S THE EVENT? UH, WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU.
IT'S, UH, BEACH BASH WITH THE PROCEEDS GOING TO, UH, UH, THE OFFICER'S FAMILY.
JASON, IF THROUGH THE CHAIR, IF I MAY, WHAT IS THE PATH FOR THIS LEGISLATIVE ITEM? SO WE WOULD SHOW THIS AND APPEARS THERE'S, UM, A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION HERE IS RETURN TO COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE AN FFY 27 BUDGET PRIORITY.
A $10,000 RECURRING GRANT TO PAL IN THE HONOR OF THE LATE SERGEANT DAVID A CRUSO.
UM, DOES IT NEED TWO VOTES OR IS IT A TWO VOTES AT COMMISSION? IT WOULD GO TO COMMISSION TO BECOME A BUDGET PRIORITY TO DISCUSSED DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS.
IS THERE AN APPETITE TO START IT THIS YEAR? I MEAN, IT'S 10 GRAND.
UM, IF I MAY, THE TIME TIMING WISE WOULD ALMOST MATCH UP BECAUSE IF IT WENT BACK TO COMMISSION, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A BUDGET PER, UH, BUDGET AMENDMENT, UH, THROUGH THE YEAR.
OBVIOUSLY RECURRING IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ADMINISTRATION ALWAYS ACTUALLY ALL THESE ITEMS WE ALWAYS RECOMMEND TO BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS, BUT ESPECIALLY RECURRING ONES.
AND I THINK JUST TO BE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE, I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THIS, WE SHOULD BE TAKING MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE TO PAY FOR THIS.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T, WE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION YESTERDAY ABOUT EXPANDING THE BUDGET.
I'M CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF THIS, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD COME AT THE COST OF SOMETHING ELSE.
THAT'S A, A OKAY, SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
BUT C COULD WE START IT THIS YEAR AND MOVE IT FORWARD, TAKE IT FROM RESERVES THIS YEAR, AND THEN FIND THE FUNDING FOR IT GOING FORWARD? WELL, YOU KNOW, WITH THE IDEA OF, OF FINDING, OF FUNDING THE MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, UM, YES, WE COULD, WE COULD SHOW IT, UM, TO BE A 27TH BUDGET PRIORITY AND TO BE FUNDED IN 26TH VIA BUDGET AMENDMENT.
SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, I CAN'T, THEY'RE NOT ON THE COMMITTEE.
WHO MADE THE MOTION AGAIN? I MADE THE MOTION FOR US.
[OB 4. DISCUSSION REGARDING THE FEASIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A CONDOMINIUM SPECIAL ASSESSMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FOR FINANCIALLY VULNERABLE RESIDENTS.]
DO YOU WANT TO HEAR OB FOUR, UH, DISCUSSION REGARDING FEASIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A CONDOMINIUM SPECIAL ASSESSMENT? SURE.ALRIGHT, OB FOUR DISCUSSION REGARDING THE FEASIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A CONDOMINIUM SPECIAL ASSESSMENT ASSISTANT PROGRAM FOR FINANCIALLY VULNERABLE RESIDENTS.
RE, OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY SERVICES.
WE HAVE BEEN EXPLORING THE CRITERIA FOR A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT PROGRAM OPERATED BY THE CITY.
WE HAVE SOME, LET ME, LEMME HOLD ON.
LEMME JUST GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS.
SO, FOR MY COLLEAGUES, UM, THE COUNTY HAS A SIMILAR PROGRAM WHERE IF YOU ARE A, A HOMEOWNER OR A RESIDENT OF MIAMI BEACH AND YOU HAVE A, A CONDO SPECIAL ASSESSMENT, UM, THEY GAVE, I THINK, BELIEVE UP TO $50,000 IN A 0% LOAN TO COVER CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE CONDO.
A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT, THIS IS SO THAT THEY DON'T GET PRICED OUT OF THE MARKET AND THEY HAVE TO LEAVE.
UM, AND THE TERMS ARE, ARE VERY FAVORABLE, OBVIOUSLY TO THE, TO, TO THE HOMEOWNER.
THE COUNTY HAS UNFORTUNATELY SEEN UPS AND DOWNS AS FAR AS THE FUNDING GOES, AND I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE THEY STAND NOW.
I WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN HOW THE COUNTY GETS ITS FUNDING SOURCE.
THE COUNTY ACTUALLY GETS ITS FUNDING SOURCE FROM A TAX REVENUE, UH, ON, ON PROPERTY TAXES.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE IT BASED ON A TAX REVENUE, IT IS, YOU CERTAINLY, YOU HAVE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS ON, ON WHO CAN APPLY.
UM, THE IDEA HERE WOULD BE TO FIND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES THAT DOESN'T RELY ON A
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TAX SO THAT WE HAVE GREATER CONTROL OVER WHO CAN QUALIFY FOR THIS PROGRAM, PERHAPS THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, OR A, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP, UH, JOINT AGREEMENT.SO, ALTHOUGH IF YOU CAN KIND OF GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT YOU WERE AND YOUR TEAM HAS HAVE BEEN LAYING OUT AS FAR AS THE DETAILS.
SO WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME BASIC REQUIREMENTS.
OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD WANT THE PROPERTY TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.
WE WOULD WANT THE APPLICANT'S PRIMARY RESIDENCE FROM MINIMUM OF FIVE CONSECUTIVE YEARS.
WE WOULD HAVE AN APPROVED HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.
WE WOULD LOOK AT FOR IT TO BE SUBJECT TO A VERIFIED CONDOMINIUM SPECIAL ASSESSMENT RELATED TO STRUCTURAL REPAIRS, BUILDING SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS OR RECERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS.
AND WE WOULD ALSO LOOK AT, THEY MUST BE A CURRENT WITH CONDO ASSOCIATION FEES.
THAT WOULD BE THE BASIC STRUCTURE THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT.
AFTER THAT, WE WOULD NEED SOME DIRECTION ON THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE, WHICH WOULD BE THE INCOME ELIGIBILITY.
MIAMI-DADE COUNTY CURRENTLY HAS UP TO 140% A MI.
AND SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING POTENTIALLY AT THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE COULD EXPLORE TODAY.
THE FIRST WOULD BE AREA MEDIAN INCOME, INCREASING IT UP TO 170% A MI THAT WOULD EQUAL FOR A HOUSEHOLD OF ONE, ABOUT $152,000.
WE WOULD ALSO, THE SECOND OPTION WOULD BE LOOKING AT HOUSING COSTS, BURDEN BASED ELIGIBILITY.
SO WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS THE APPROACH WOULD FOCUS ON THE AFFORDABILITY RATHER THAN THE INCOME ALONE BY MEASURING HOW MUCH OF A HOUSEHOLD'S INCOME IS ALREADY DEDICATED TO HOUSING EXPENSES.
THAT WOULD BE THE SECOND, SECOND OPTION THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY EXPLORE.
EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE FURTHER PLEASE.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, HOUSEHOLDS WOULD QUALIFY IF THEY SPEND 30% OR ABOUT 30 TO 40% OR MORE OF THEIR GROSS INCOME ON TOTAL HOUSING COSTS, INCLUDING MORTGAGE, PROPERTY TAXES, INSURANCE, HOA FEES AND SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS.
SO IF WE HAD AN EXAMPLE, A HOUSEHOLD EARNING ABOUT $180,000 WOULD BE ABOUT 15,000 A MONTHLY INCOME.
IF THEIR COST WOULD TO, WOULD, THEIR MONTHLY COST WOULD BE ABOUT $6,000.
THE HOUSING COST BURDEN WOULD BE ABOUT 40%.
SO THAT WOULD MAKE THEM ELIGIBLE DUE TO HIGH COST.
THAT WOULD BE THE POTENTIAL SECOND OPTION THAT WE COULD EXPLORE.
THE THIRD ONE WOULD BE ASSESSMENT TO INCOME RATIO.
THE MODEL WOULD DIRECTLY TIE ELIGIBILITY TO THE SIZE OF THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT RELATIVE TO HOUSEHOLD INCOME, UH, SPECIFICALLY FOCUSING ON FINANCIAL IMPACT CREATED BY THE ASSESSMENT.
SO WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAD AN ANNUAL HOUSEHOLD INCOME ABOUT $150,000, THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT WOULD BE $30,000.
SO THAT WOULD MAKE THE HOUSEHOLD ELIGIBLE.
IF LET'S SAY THERE WAS AN INCOME OF $300,000 AND THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT WAS $20,000, THAT WOULD BE 6.7% THAT WOULD MAKE THEM INELIGIBLE.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE CUTOFF? WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE BREAK THAT YOU WOULD QUALIFY FOR THAT THIRD OPTION ABOUT, UH, IF IT EXCEEDS 10 TO 20% OF THE HOUSEHOLD INCOME? AND AGAIN, THOSE THINGS WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT WITH MORE OF A FINE TOOTH COMB IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT WHICH MODEL WOULD WE WANT TO SPECIFICALLY, UH, LOOK INTO.
AND DOES THE COUNTY HAS, HAS THE COUNTY RESTARTED THEIR FUNDING FOR THIS? OR, UH, IT'S STILL IN THE WORKS? WHEN WE HAD LAST REACHED OUT TO THEM, THEY HAD TOLD US THAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO RESTART.
WE HAVE NOT SEEN A, A SPECIFIC RESTART.
SO JUST FOR MY COLLEAGUES, AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS UNFUNDED.
I DON'T, I DON'T EXPECT THIS TO COME FROM A, THE GENERAL FUND, BUT THERE ARE GONNA BE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FUTURE WHERE PERHAPS A DEVELOPER COMES TO US AND ASKS FOR SPECIAL, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.
AND THIS IS CERTAINLY ANOTHER AVENUE WHERE IF WE'RE GONNA BE DOING, IF WE'RE GONNA BE GRANTING THOSE RIGHTS, WE CAN HELP, WE CAN HAVE A FUND SPECIFICALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED THE HELP AS FAR AS THESE AGING CONDOS GET WORSE EVERY YEAR.
SO, UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION, IT'S WHO DO WE WANT TO QUALIFY FOR THIS PROGRAM IF IT EVER DOES GET FUNDED? UM, AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR, I KIND OF LIKE OPTION THREE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS.
AND, AND I'LL START WITH IS ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL ITEMS FACING OUR CITY.
AND WE HAD A SIMILAR ITEM WAS PROPOSED, UH, MAYBE A YEAR AGO, OR I THINK IT WAS FROM A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHERE THERE WAS A KINDA BLOCK AREA OR SEVERAL BLOCK AREA,
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UH, THAT WOULD'VE DONE SOMETHING SIMILAR.AND I JUST HAD A PHILOSOPHICAL PRETZEL OF SHOULD THAT BE GOING TO JUST SOME PEOPLE, RIGHT.
UM, VERSUS PARK OR INFRASTRUCTURE.
I, I, I DON'T, I'M NUANCED ABOUT IT.
I SEE ARGUMENTS, UH, BOTH WAYS.
UM, SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY I, I PUT MY FULL-FLEDGED SUPPORT BEHIND IF WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR SOME OTHER SPECIAL REVENUE RAISING OPPORTUNITY THAT I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO BE FOR THIS, BECAUSE I'LL THINK OF, TRY AND WEIGH THAT, OKAY, DO WE DO SOMETHING THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NEEDED? IT IT IS IMPACTING PEOPLE, INCLUDING MYSELF, MY PARENTS, IN OUR BUILDING.
UM, SO I'M LIVING THIS EVERY DAY VERSUS SOMETHING THAT'S FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, JUST PHILOSOPHICALLY NOT SURE HOW I'LL COME DOWN ON THAT, BUT YEAH, FOR THE VARIOUS OPTIONS, UM, I, I WOULD I THINK ALIGN MORE WITH OPTION THREE AS WELL.
AND THEN LOOK, UH, COMMISSIONER AND MR. CHAIR, IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST SOME PEOPLE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THIS IS, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF IN A UNIQUE PERIOD OF TIME WHERE IT'S ALL COMING DOWN ON CONDO OWNERS, RIGHT? AND IT'S, IT, WE'RE NOT REALLY PICKING, IN MY OPINION, WINNERS AND LOSERS.
IT'S JUST THEIR CONDO OWNERS, WHICH IS LIKE 80% OF RIGHT, OF, OF MIAMI BEACH HOMEOWNERS IS, THEY'RE STRUGGLING.
AND, YOU KNOW, EVER SINCE THE CHAMPLAIN TOWERS, IT'S, IT'S JUST BEEN GETTING WORSE EVERY YEAR WITH, UH, ASSESSMENTS, ELEVATORS, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU NAME IT.
AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO, AND NOW LOOK, IF WE EVER DO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT COMES TO US, I'M NOT SAYING ALL OF IT, RIGHT? I'M NOT SAYING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF, OF WHATEVER WE NEGOTIATE GOES TO THIS PARTICULAR FUND.
BUT I WANT TO AT LEAST START THIS FUND, HAVE IT MANAGED, OR HAVE IT LAID OUT SO THAT WHENEVER THE MONEY DOES COME IN, IF IT COMES IN, WE CAN, UM, IT'S READY TO GO.
UM, I, I AM ALSO, YOU KNOW, OPEN TO THIS FUND.
UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE, I'M WORKING ON AN ITEM ABOUT SOME, SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR, AND I THINK THEY COULD ACTUALLY MAYBE BE MERGED.
UM, I WANNA DO SOMETHING ACTUALLY FOR RENTERS THAT'S A SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, RENTAL, SHORT-TERM RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
BUT MAYBE WE JUST HAVE A GENERAL HOUSING FUND, AND IT IS FOR CONDO OWNERS THAT HAVE A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT OR RENTERS, BECAUSE WHEN A DEVELOPER DEVELOPS A BUILDING, MAYBE ONE OF THE PUBLIC BENEFITS CAN BE, YOU KNOW, DONATE INTO THIS CONDO OR HOUSING FUND.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT HAVE A PROGRAM UNDER THAT UMBRELLA OF THE HOUSING FUND THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED RENTAL ASSISTANCE, YOU GET SOME OF IT HERE, OR IF YOU NEED ASSESSMENT, YOU GET SOME OF IT HERE.
SO THAT WAY WE'RE HELPING MORE PEOPLE WITH THEIR HOUSING NEEDS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE BOARD, THERE IS A HOUSING CRISIS RIGHT NOW, WHETHER IT AFFECTS FOLKS WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH HIGH ASSESSMENT FEES OR RENTERS WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE SEASONAL WORKERS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
BUT I SEE THIS AS BEING A BROADER PROGRAM, UM, THAT WHERE WE COULD HELP MORE PEOPLE, TO YOUR POINT, UM, AND I ACTUALLY LIKE THREE, BUT I ALSO LIKE TWO BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO, UM, OPTION TWO WILL ALSO I THINK CREATE PARITY WITH FOLKS WHO, YOU KNOW, WHAT EXACTLY THEIR COST BURDENS ARE.
UM, BUT I AM OPEN TO THIS IDEA.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING, COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, YOU SAID THAT 80% OF OUR, OUR, UM, OWNERS HERE, CONDO OWNERS, BUT I WONDER OUT OF THAT 80%, HOW MANY OF THOSE CONDO OWNERS RENT TO FOLKS AND THEN PASS THAT BURDEN ONTO THEIR RENTERS? WELL, TWO THIRDS OF TWO THIRDS OF ALL MIAMI BEACH RESIDENTS ARE RENTERS.
SO, UM, AND LOOK, I, I WOULDN'T WANNA MERGE IT TO, I, I I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEPARATE FUNDS.
AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, IF THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, I'M NOT SAYING ALL THE A HUNDRED PERCENT GOES TO THIS PARTICULAR FUND OR THAT FUND, IT'S JUST LET, LET'S LET, LET, LET, LET US, UM, COME TO THAT CROSSROADS WHEN, WHEN IT NEEDS TO.
UM, I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, AND THIS IS WHY I WANNA KEEP IT SEPARATE, BECAUSE HAVING RENTAL ASSISTANCE IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN GETTING SLAPPED WITH A $50,000
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BILLAND, AND YOU MAY NOT BE ON THE BOARD AND YOU HAD NO DECISION TO DO THAT, UH, OR, OR TO TAKE PART IN THAT.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NO RELIEF FOR YOU.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN ALL BE GETTING THESE EMAILS FROM SOUTH BAY CLUB, THEY'RE LOOKING AT LIKE AN 80 TO POSSIBLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ASSESSMENT.
AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, AND IF, IF THEY GO THROUGH WITH THAT, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO STAY.
IN FACT, THEY'RE GONNA LOSE MONEY ON A CONDO THAT THEY'VE HAD FOR 10, 15 YEARS.
UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WANT TO KIND OF KEEP IT SEPARATE.
SO, BUT, BUT WHAT I, BUT IT WOULD BE SEPARATE, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE UNDER LIKE A GENERAL HOUSING FUND THAT DEVELOPERS WOULD'VE TO PAY INTO.
AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE HOW IT GETS DOLED OUT, OR BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THOSE DETAILS WE CAN FLESH OUT.
I WANNA ALSO SUPPORT THOSE THAT ARE STRUGGLING WITH ASSESSMENTS.
YOU KNOW, WE ALL WANNA HELP EVERYONE.
THERE'S MANY PEOPLE, AND I WANNA HELP, OBVIOUSLY RENTERS WHO NEED SOME, BUT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THAT.
DO WE ALREADY HAVE A, WE DO HAVE A RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, BECAUSE IT IS FUNDED THROUGH FEDERAL DOLLARS.
IT CAN ONLY GO UP TO MOST 80% A MI SOMETIMES WHEN WE GET SPECIAL GRANTS, THEN WE'RE ABLE TO GO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, BUT MM-HMM
THERE'S SOME SPECIFICITY WITH IT.
SO THAT, THAT'S FUNDED THROUGH FEDERAL DOLLARS, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHICH IS, BY THE WAY, WHY I WANNA SET UP THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE THE, THE, THE COUNTY FUNDING CAME ALSO FROM FEDERAL DOLLARS, RIGHT.
AND IT WAS VERY RESTRICTIVE ON WHAT WE COULD AND COULDN'T DO, SO MM-HMM
I I ALSO THINK WE SHOULD ENGAGE OUR NGO PARTNERS, UH, FOR HELP IN THIS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UM, A LOT OF THESE HOMES ARE HISTORIC A A LOT.
WHERE'S MDPL, RIGHT? THE, THEIR ENTIRE ADVOCACY MOVEMENT IS FOR PRESERVING AND UPHOLDING SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS.
UH, IT'S GREAT TO ADVOCATE, BUT IF THEY'RE RAISING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PER YEAR, I'D LOVE TO HAVE THEM AS A PARTNER, UH, IN THIS, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THIS IS AN ALL HANDS ON DECK EFFORT.
THIS WILL NEVER, EVER BE SOLVED JUST AT THE BEHEST OF GOVERNMENT, EVER.
SO WE NEED AN ALL HANDS ON DECK APPROACH.
I, I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE WITH THEM TO SEE WHAT RESOURCES THEY'RE ABLE TO COMMIT AND DEDICATE AS WELL.
UM, I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF MDPL IS RAISING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR.
I THINK, UM, I, I THINK YOU SHOULD.
I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY ENGAGE WITH THEM FOR THEIR ADVOCACY AND CONNECTING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND HELPING PEOPLE FIND BETTER WAYS TO MAKE THE REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE MADE.
LIKE, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE A PARTNER.
UM, AND GOD BLESS IF THEY ARE RAISING THAT MONEY.
UM, I JUST WANNA SHIFT THE, THE POTENTIAL DYNAMIC A LITTLE BIT TO INCLUDE THAT.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY'D BE ABLE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT MONEY, JUST, UM, ADVOCACY AND, AND EDUCATION AND OUTREACH AND EXPERTISE.
THEY KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT THAN I YEAH.
AND, AND ALSO WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE, UM, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER ON STAFF.
DEBBIE TACKETT IS BRILLIANT AND KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING ON THIS STUFF.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS SHOULD BE NOT JUST ABOUT THE FINANCES, IT'S ABOUT HOW TO GET IT DONE THE BEST WAY.
YOU KNOW? SO THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, AND FORGIVE ME IF YOU SAID THIS, ALBA, I, I KNOW I'M COMING LATE TO THE PARTY HERE ON THIS.
THE, THE VARIOUS OPTIONS YOU HAD DID, WERE THESE OPTIONS BASED ON DATA POINTS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE RENTING, HOW MANY PEOPLE OWN, HOW MANY PEOPLE OWN, BUT DON'T LIVE HERE, HOW MANY PEOPLE OWN, BUT IT'S THEIR PRIMARY SOURCE OF INCOME TO RENT IT.
LIKE, DO WE HAVE ANY OF THAT DATA? BECAUSE I THINK THAT WILL HELP US HELP INFORM US BETTER ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE WE'RE SERVING AND HOW TO SERVE THEM BEST.
WELL, AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS PROGRAM, BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT, ONE OF THE BASIC, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IS FOR IT TO BE HOMESTEADED.
SO AT THAT POINT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THEIR MAIN PROPERTY.
IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE A RENTAL SITUATION BECAUSE WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO HELP HOMEOWNERS OF, OF, AND DO WE, I'M SORRY.
SO THE OTHER PART WAS, UM, THE LOWER TIER, WHAT OF, OF THE HOMESTEAD PROPERTIES, WHAT PERCENTAGE FALLS INTO WHICH TIER? I, WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE, THEY, THEY PRESENTED THREE OPTIONS FOR HOW WOULD YOU WANT, BUT DO WE KNOW HOW MANY DIFFERENT HOMES, HOMESTEAD HOMES FALL INTO OPTION ONE, OPTION TWO, OPTION THREE.
LIKE FOR MIAMI-DADE COUNTY, THEY'RE DOING 140% A MII DON'T BELIEVE, AND WE CAN RESEARCH THIS, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S OTHER PROGRAMS LIKE THE ONES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING CURRENTLY BECAUSE, BECAUSE THEY USE FEDERAL DOLLARS OR SOME OTHER FORM OF NO, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE, THAT'S NOT, I'M, I'M, NO, SHE'S TRYING TO GET MORE DATA ON LIKE REAL STATISTIC, RIGHT? LIKE IN MIAMI BEACH, LET'S SAY WE HAVE A HUNDRED HOMESTEADED HOMES THAT, THAT ARE FACING ASSESSMENTS.
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HOMESTEADED HOMES, WHICH OF THEM FALL INTO LEVEL ONE, LEVEL TWO, LEVEL THREE? LIKE IF, IF THE BULK OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING THE BIGGEST ISSUE ARE AT A HUNDRED VERSUS 80, MAYBE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT A HUNDRED INSTEAD OF 80.I MEAN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DISCUSSION.
BUT WITHOUT KNOWING THAT, LIKE, WILL THIS PROGRAM, IF WE GO, YOU KNOW, WITH OPTION THREE, WE'LL ONLY BE ABLE TO HELP 13 OUT OF THOSE A HUNDRED HOMES.
BUT IF WE, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER, IF, IF RESPECTFULLY, UM, THE, I THINK THE ISSUE IS STAFF DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE INCOME LEVEL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE.
RIGHT? THAT, AND THAT'S KINDA WHY COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE AND I ARE OKAY WITH OPTION THREE.
IT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT, IF, IF THE ASSESSMENT'S SO LARGE THAT IT'S 10% MORE THAN THE INCOME THAT YOU MAKE, THEN YOU QUALIFY.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY, THEY DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE IN ORDER TO QUALIFY, YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT YOUR, YOUR FINANCIAL RECORDS.
NO ONE'S GONNA SUBMIT THEIR FINANCIAL RECORDS WILLINGLY JUST FOR A STATISTIC.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE MAKING THE DECISION ON, ON THREE OF THESE OPTIONS, ON WHAT WE THINK IS, IS BEST SUITED FOR THIS PROGRAM.
CAN I ASK THOUGH, IF WE DO IT THAT WAY, LIKE LET'S SAY YOU, THE, THE, AND I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD HERE.
BAY CLUB, LET'S SAY A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHAT, AN 80,000, 50,000, WHATEVER IT IS, IT, I I, THE LAST I, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER IN EMAIL, IT'S LIKE $86,000 FOR A ONE BEDROOM.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT, SO ASSUME WE HAVE A HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA NEED HELP.
WHERE DO WE GET ENOUGH MONEY TO, RIGHT? AND, AND HOW DO WE DECIDE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I I, I JUST JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, THIS ISN'T A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO FUND THIS PROGRAM.
THIS IS NO, BUT THAT'S A DISCUSSION.
HOW TO SET IT UP FOR WHEN IT IS FUNDED.
THAT'S, BUT, BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT LIKE, LET'S SAY, YEAH, LIKE LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT ALL NEED ASSISTANCE AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY.
SO THEN DO WE PICK 50 PEOPLE TO GIVE THEM THE MONEY? OR DO WE TAKE A HUNDRED PEOPLE AND SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN'T REALLY HAVE AS MUCH MONEY AS WE HOPED.
DO YOU ONLY GET A LITTLE BIT, DO YOU GET A THOUSAND DOLLARS? WHAT TELL YOU, I'M, I'M ASSUMING IT WAS A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE AND UP TO 50,000.
IT WAS A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE UP TO 50,000, UP TO A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT.
SO, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS TODAY IS, AND I'M OKAY WITH 50,000, UM, SPEC, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE THEIR PROGRAM ANYMORE.
NOW, IF THE COUNTY DOES REINSTITUTE THEIR PROGRAM, AND THEY HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE COUNTY, AND I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD QUALIFY BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING, THEY'RE GETTING DOLLARS FROM THE COUNTY.
SO, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT WAS A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE.
I MEAN, AND I'M, I DO, I DON'T THINK THAT, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO DO THIS BECAUSE THEN WE'RE GONNA GET A VERY, A LOT OF VERY UPSET PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T KNOW WE DIDN'T IT.
WE CAN DO A LOTTERY PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO, YEAH.
MAYBE IT'S LOTTERY OR SOMETHING.
WE COULD DO WHAT'S WHAT WE THINK BEST, BEST FAIR.
AND THE ONLY REASON, YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE IS, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE USUALLY THE ONES THAT ARE COMING FIRST REALLY NEED IT.
UM, AND IF YOU DO A LOTTERY, THEN YOU HAVE TO WAIT, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR FINANCES OVER.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, LOOK IT, IT'S UP TO US, RIGHT? BUT MAYBE IT SHOULD BE BASED ON PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED IT, YOU KNOW, MORE MEANING LIKE, WHICH MEANS THAT WHAT I MEAN NEED IT IN TERMS OF TIMING, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE, WELL, YOU JUST GOT YOUR ASSESSMENT PASSED TODAY, AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER PERSON WHO'S GOT AN ASSESSMENT IN, IN THAT'S COMING IN A YEAR.
BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE SAME BUILDING.
AND IF I MAY, WE JUST HAD, IN, IN MY BUILDING, WE JUST HAD AN ASSESSMENT AND UM, THERE WERE, THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ALL ABOUT THE COUNTY PROGRAM AND LIKE, UM, I'M ALL OVER THIS.
AND THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE LIKE, OH MY GOD, I WHAT COUNTY PROGRAM? LIKE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY LIKE THEY NEED IT FIRST OR THEY NEED IT AND THEY'RE ALL OVER IT.
BECAUSE NO MATTER HOW WELL, UM, DISSEMINATED THE INFORMATION IS, IT WON'T REACH EVERYBODY.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S OFTEN NOT, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE STATISTICS TO SAY OFTEN, BUT IN MANY CASES, IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED IT MOST, WHO ARE WORKING THE TWO JOBS OR DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH OR, OR DON'T, AREN'T CONNECTED DIGITALLY THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT TO THE GOVERNMENT SERVICES THAT DON'T.
SO HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? IS THIS SOMETHING, UH, HOW DOES STAFF FEEL ABOUT THIS? WHERE WE TRY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MORE PARITY IN WHO GETS IT FIRST.
SO FOR MOST OF OUR PROGRAMS, WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS FIRST COME FIRST QUALIFIED.
SO THAT MEANS THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT US ALL OF THE PAPERWORK.
THAT MEANS THAT YOU FOLLOWED UP.
THAT MEANS THAT YOU DID EVERYTHING, THAT YOU CAME, YOU FILLED OUT YOUR INFORMATION, YOU SUBMITTED EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEEDED TO DO.
AND SO, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR, I THINK IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ALBA.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, BECAUSE LIKE INSIDERS, THAT'S THE SAME AS FOR SPONSOR FOR SERVE EXAMPLE.
I THINK THE ARGUMENT IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF INSIDERS THAT KNOW THE PROGRAM.
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THEN THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT KIND OF JUST FIND OUT, AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE, UGH, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS.SO MAYBE THERE'S A CERTAIN, MAYBE THERE'S A WAY YOU, YOU DO QUALIFY.
AND THEN ONCE YOU QUALIFY, YOU GET PUT INTO A CERTAIN POOL.
OF, WE'VE DONE THAT TOO WITH OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO ONCE YOU DO SUBMIT ALL OF YOUR CRITERIA, IT GETS RANDOMIZED.
AND, AND JUST SO I LIKE WHERE YOU GUYS ARE GOING WITH THIS, BECAUSE IT REALLY HIGHLIGHTS THE NEED FOR A PROGRAM LIKE THIS, RIGHT? SO THE MORE MONEY WE HAVE IN THIS, THE MORE PEOPLE WE HELP, AND THE LESS OF A CHANCE THAT THEY HAVE TO DO IN A LOTTERY TO, TO GET ACCEPTED.
BUT, BUT I WILL SAY THOUGH, THAT PART OF MY CONFLICT THOUGH IS NOT, IS DO WE GIVE MORE PEOPLE LESS MONEY OR LESS PEOPLE MORE MONEY? AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAD KIND OF SAID.
AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT WHEN WE ARE DEVELOPING THIS PROGRAM.
BECAUSE AT SOME POINT THE MONEY'S GONNA RUN OUT.
SO HOW DO WE HELP BEST? I MEAN, SHOULD WE JUST KIND OF KEEP THIS HERE AND CONTINUE SPEAKING WITH STAFF UNTIL WE HAVE A MORE TANGIBLE, UH, VIEW OF WHERE THE FUNDING IS GOING TO COME FROM? IT'S NOT AS IF WE NEED TO GET THIS IMPLEMENTED TODAY.
RIGHT? WELL, THE ONLY, THE ONLY REASON I WANT TO GET THIS SORT OF OFF THE GROUND IS BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS COMING UP.
AND I DON'T WANT TO LOSE, I DON'T WANNA LOSE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO POSSIBLY FUND THIS.
CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? SO IN, IN SERVICE OF THE GOAL, MAYBE WE'RE NOT, WE SHOULDN'T LET THE PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD.
AND MAYBE WE START WITH, UM, THE, UM, FIRST PEOPLE TO COME IN WITH THE FULL QUALIFIED AND OUR QUALIFIED GO INTO THE LOTTERY, AND THAT SEEMS EQUITABLE.
AND THEN AS THE PROGRAM EVOLVES, IF WE NEED TO TWEAK IT IN YEAR TWO OR THREE WITH WHAT WE'VE LEARNED, THEN MAYBE WE MAKE PROGRAM MODIFICATIONS.
WOULD THAT BE AN OPTION? WELL, I DON'T WANNA PROMISE MONEY TO PEOPLE THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
WELL, WE'RE NOT PROMISING THEY'RE GONNA GO TO THE LOTTERY.
WE'RE PROMISING A PROGRAM THAT IS, HAS ZERO FUNDS.
WELL, WELL, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
AND WE NEED TO START SOMEWHERE.
RIGHT? WE NEED TO PUT THE F THE FIRST FOOT FORWARD, AND THIS IS THE FIRST FOOT FOOT.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE FIRST FOOT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE BEST FIRST FOOT.
I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE FIGURED OUT FIRST.
WELL, IT NOTHING'S GONNA BE PERFECT AT FIRST.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF HAVE TO GET OUR FEET WET.
AND THAT'S WHY I WANNA GET THIS DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS COMING UP WHERE WE CAN SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO IN A CONDO, IN AGING CONDOS WHO NEED HELP.
ONE LAST THING BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CONCLUDE THIS IS WHAT DO YOU THINK THE MAX AMOUNT SHOULD BE? THE, THE, THE COUNTY HAS IT AT 50, 50,000 PER, PER PERSON.
THAT APPLIES TO QUALIFY PEOPLE.
WELL, I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MATH THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.
BY THE WAY, WHEN DOES THAT, WHEN DID THEY HAVE TO RETURN THE LOAN? 30 YEARS.
THEY HAVE ABOUT 50, I WANNA SAY 50 YEARS FOR THEIR PROGRAM.
IS IT A LIEN? SO BASICALLY IF THEY, IF THEY SELL OR IF THEY PASS AWAY, THE MONEY GETS AUTOMATICALLY PUT BACK INTO THE FUND.
AND IT'S A REPAYMENT AT 0% INTEREST.
SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT GENERATE, REGENERATING THE FUNDS IF WE WERE DISPERSING THEM, BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO BE PAYING BACK, UM, ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
HOW MUCH MONEY DID THE COUNTY HAVE IN THAT FUND? ABOUT 24 MILLION.
I KNOW THE RANGE WAS IN THE MILLIONS.
UM, LIKE TENS OF MILLIONS OR UNDER 10? NO, NOT HUNDREDS.
OR IS IT UNDER TENS? TENS OF MILLIONS.
THE, THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY IS SERVICING VASTLY MORE HOUSEHOLDS THAN WE ARE.
SO PROPORTIONATELY OURS CAN BE MUCH SMALLER.
AND STILL HAVE THE SAME AGGREGATE IMPACT.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, I MEAN, I, IN A PERFECT WORLD, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS IN THIS.
AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ALL OUR MONEY.
IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT GIVING MONEY AWAY.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE COULD DO ON THIS MONEY TOO? ARE WE ABLE TO MAYBE BOND IT OUT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE FUTURE? OR IS IT, I I THINK, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT I'M HEARING OF THIS, AND IT'S GONNA A COUPLE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, IS IT WOULD KIND OF BE LIKE A REVOLVING TRUST LOAN THAT ONCE THE MONEY GOES INTO THAT POOL, YOU WOULD LEND THAT OUT.
AND AS THE MONEY COMES BACK IN, THE PROGRAM COULD REGENERATE ITSELF AND BE RELENT OUT.
AGAIN, I DON'T SEE IT NECESSARILY AS BONDABLE BASED ON THE DISCUSSION.
AND I THINK YOUR INTEREST IS TO GET THE FRAMEWORK OF THE PROGRAM SET UP.
SO THAT IT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY FUNDED THROUGH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
AND IF MONEY THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT COMES IN AND THEY SAY, DEVELOPER SAYS, WE'RE GONNA CONTRIBUTE $10 MILLION TO THE CITY FOR YOUR USES, AND YOU GUYS DIVVY THAT UP IN THE, AND YOU SAY, A MILLION DOLLARS IN THIS PROGRAM, ONCE THE MONEY'S IN THE PROGRAM, THEN THE PROGRAM WOULD BE ACTIVATED.
SO I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE ADVERTISING IT TO ANYONE LETTING 'EM KNOW IT EXISTED UNTIL SUCH TIME FUNDS WERE AVAILABLE.
SO I COLLEAGUES, I MEAN, HOW DO YOU FEEL IF 50,000, 30,000, I MEAN, WAIT, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION, JASON,
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THROUGH THE CHAIR? YES.NOW, UM, IF WE RAISE THE MONEY, LIKE DEVELOPERS PAY INTO THIS FUND TO, TO SERVICE THIS NEED AS THE HOLDERS OF THIS FUND, THE CITY'S NOT ALLOWED TO INVEST IT, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, OR IS THAT NOT CORRECT? NO, I, I THINK IT WOULD FOLLOW OUR INVESTMENT POLICY.
UM, IT WOULD BE RESTRICTED FUNDS FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE.
UM, AND SINCE IT WOULD PROBABLY BE NEEDED ON A LIQUIDITY BASIS TO BE PUT OUT PRETTY QUICKLY, RIGHT.
IF WE RUN THIS PROGRAM, I WOULD KEEP IT IN, I WOULD KEEP IT IN A, A LIQUID MONEY MARKET.
IT WOULD GAIN INTEREST, ANY MONEY THAT'S IN THERE, AND WE DO AN AVAILABLE, UH, BALANCE EVERY YEAR TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL DOLLARS THAT ARE, UM, AVAILABLE.
BUT HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT GET $10 MILLION PUT INTO IT, AND WE ONLY NEED A MILLION DOLLARS OF IT PER YEAR.
AND SO THE BALANCE, LET'S SAY WE PUT $5 MILLION INTO SOME KIND OF FAIRLY SAFE, BUT BETTER THAN A MONEY MARKET ACCOUNT INVESTMENT, RIGHT? WE, WE COULD HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY, SO POTENTIALLY SO THAT THE MONEY THAT WE ARE TAKING IN FROM DEVELOPERS COULD BE WORKING FOR US AS WE ARE FINANCING PEOPLE ON A ROLLING BASIS.
HYPOTHETICALLY, YES, I INVEST AS, AS YOUR CITY'S CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
SO, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT WITH, BUT THIS WOULD NOT FALL UNDER THAT.
UH, YES, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD BE ABLE TO INVEST, BUT I WOULD KEEP IT SHORT AND LIQUID.
THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS THESE ASSESSMENTS POP UP AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T KNOW, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, SOUTH BAY CLUB, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST, IT HAPPENED IN THE LAST MONTH.
BUT THE LIQUIDITY, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA TAKE SIX MONTHS OR 12 MONTHS.
I MEAN, I HOPE THERE'S $10 MILLION.
WELL, NO, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT CD WHERE YOU'RE STUCK WITH SOMETHING, RIGHT? I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BETTER THAN A MONEY MARKET ACCOUNT, BUT SOME LIQUIDITY.
AND ANYHOW, LET, LET OUR CFO FIGURE OUT THOSE.
SO I COLLEAGUES, YOU'RE WELCOME.
AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M KIND OF SEEING ALL THIS MAPPED OUT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I WANNA TALK WITH ALBA A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M NOT, I I, I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE STUCK ON THE NUMBER AMOUNT, WHICH IS FINE, BUT I AM STILL GRAPPLING WITH DO WE HELP MORE PEOPLE WITH LESS MONEY OR, OR LESS PEOPLE WITH MORE MONEY.
THAT'S MY INTERNAL CONFLICT RIGHT NOW.
WHAT, WHAT IN MY MIND IS THE APPROACH THAT I THINK IS, SERVES OUR RESIDENTS THE BEST.
THAT'S, I'M SAYING SPLITTING THE BABY BETWEEN TWO AND THREE.
WELL, WHICH, WHICH, WHICH WOULD BE THE FULL AMOUNT, RIGHT? BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU CAN HELP MORE PEOPLE IF THEY GET LESS YES.
SO, BUT 2, 1, 2 AND THREE DOESN'T, DOESN'T APPLY TO THAT.
BUT IT'S STILL, I WANNA, I WANNA KNOW HOW DIFFERENT ARE THESE TWO SCENARIOS? SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE GIVE LESS PEOPLE MORE MONEY, IS THAT A LOT MORE MONEY THAT WE'RE GIVING LESS PEOPLE VERSUS THE OTHER? I DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I'M NOT YEAH, LISTEN, I, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, AND I'M, I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO HELP MAYBE SHED SOME LIGHT ON IT.
IT'S IF THE, THE ONE, TWO OR THREE OPTION IS WHO DO WE THINK SHOULD BEST QUALIFY FOR THIS PROGRAM? RIGHT? RIGHT.
IT'S, IS IT 140 MI I FORGOT WHAT OPTION TWO IS.
BUT OPTION THREE IS IF THEY MAKE A CERTAIN AMOUNT, IF THEY, IF THEY'RE BRINGING IN $150,000 A YEAR, BUT THEIR ASSESSMENT IS WORTH $30,000, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, $15,000, 15%.
AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE PRE, THAT THE THRESHOLD IS 10%.
SO THAT MEANS FOR WHATEVER YOU MADE THAT YEAR, YOU HAVE A 10% NUT THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY.
WE'RE GONNA BE WILLING TO HELP YOU OUT.
NOW, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE MENTIONING, OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMISSIONER MATE, IS CAN WE HELP MORE PEOPLE BY GIVING THEM A, A LESS AMOUNT? AND THAT'S WHY RIGHT.
I'M, I'M ASKING, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE THIS TODAY.
WE CAN DECIDE AT, AT THE COMMISSION MEETING.
'CAUSE I DO WANNA MOVE THIS FORWARD TO COMMISSION WHERE WE SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HELP 150 PEOPLE IF WE GIVE 35,000, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HELP, RIGHT.
A HUNDRED PEOPLE IF WE GIVE 50,000.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK BETWEEN NOW AND, AND THE FIRST COMMISSION MEETING, WE CAN PROBABLY LOOK AT HISTORICAL ASSESSMENTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PUBLIC RECORD.
LIKE IN, IN, IN OPTION TWO MM-HMM
THE COST BURDEN, UH, BASED ELIGIBILITY.
SO WE'VE GOT FOLKS WHO THE COST BURDEN IS AT 40% IF THAT'S THEIR EL ELIGIBILITY AND WE'RE GIVING THEM $6,000 ON THIS EXAMPLE.
OR NO, I'M SORRY, I'M READING THIS WRONG.
BUT AT ANY RATE, I AGREE WITH YOU AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE BEST, I JUST WANNA SIT WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ALBA TO TALK ABOUT THESE TWO SCENARIOS FOR QUALIFICATION.
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AND I LIKE BOTH OF THEM.I KNOW, BUT I DON'T LIKE, I MEAN, ONE IS, I GUESS, I MEAN, I DO LIKE ONE, I THINK ONE 70 IS TOO HIGH, FRANKLY, MAYBE ONE 40.
BUT IT, BUT IT ALSO, I THINK THERE SHOULD, THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THAT THERE SHOULD BE A SLIDING SCALE OF NEED.
AND SO IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
I THINK, LOOK, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO RESPECTFULLY IS I'D LIKE TO BRING THIS TO THE FULL COMMISSION.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE CAN ALL SIT WITH DR.
TAR AND, AND ASK HER WHAT HER PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS AND, AND HAVE HER GIVE THE, THE PROS AND CONS, UM, OF, OF, OF WHAT WE THINK.
AND THEN AS LONG AS WE DECIDE ON SOMETHING AT THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING, I'M ALL FOR IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WANNA MAKE, I WANT US TO WORK FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED IT.
RIGHT? OF COURSE WE ALL DO BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TO COUNTLESS CONDO MEETINGS AND PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED IT.
AND THESE AREN'T NECESSARILY PEOPLE WHO ARE DESTITUTE, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT ALSO, THEY'RE NOT SUPER WEALTHY.
THEY'RE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THERE, THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME, THEY SEE THE CITY CHANGING, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY GET HIT WITH A $50,000 ASSESSMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I I, I FEEL FOR THEM.
'CAUSE WE HEAR FROM THEM ALL THE TIME.
SO, AND AGAIN, I, THAT'S KIND OF WHY I DON'T LIKE DOING IT BASED ON AN A MI, I LIKE TO, I LIKE, I LIKE TO SAY THAT, HEY, LOOK, THIS IS HOW MUCH YOU'RE MAKING AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S MORE THAN YOU EXPECTED TO EXPENSE FOR YOUR YEAR, THEN YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HELP YOU OUT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY PREFERENCE.
BUT AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME, WE COULD ALL SPEAK TO, TO THE HOUSING, UH, OKAY.
AND THEN HAVE THEM COME TO US.
AND THEN AT THE COMMISSION MEETING, WE CAN, WE CAN JUST FINALLY DECIDE ON A, ON A, ON WHO, WHO'S BEST TO QUALIFY AND HOW MUCH WE WANT EACH PERSON TO MAKE.
AND THEN, LIKE COMMISSIONER BOT SAID, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT THE PERFECT, BE THE ENEMY OF GOOD.
UM, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S GET IT OFF THE GROUND.
'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE DEVELOPMENT DEALS COMING UP AND I WANT TO HAVE THIS, I I, I WANNA HAVE THIS ALREADY IRONED OUT.
SO IF WE DO GET IT FUNDED, WE CAN BRING RELIEF TO PEOPLE POTENTIALLY THIS YEAR.
IF I, IF I CAN TO, TO, TO ASSIST YOU, I THINK WITH THE, THE SPONSORS ASKING IS TO RETURN TO COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO CREATE A CONDOMINIUM SPECIAL ASSESSMENT ASSISTANCE, UH, PROGRAM, UH, OPTION NUMBER THREE, UH, FOR FINANCIALLY VULNERABLE RESIDENTS TO POTENTIALLY BE FUNDED THROUGH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
WELL, I THINK THE IDEA WAS WE WANTED TO SEE, WE, WE WANT, I THINK WE WANNA DISCUSS OPTIONS ONE, TWO, AND THREE AT THE COMMISSION.
SO I THINK JUST TAKING THE TERM OPTION THREE OFF OF THE NO, NO, WE, NO, NO, OFF THE MOTION I MEANT OH, OFF THE MOTION.
SO, SO JUST TO CREATE THE PROGRAM FOR FINANCIALLY YES.
A VULNERABLE RESIDENT TO BE POTENTIALLY FUNDED THROUGH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE RESO GOING BACK.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'LL BE A LITTLE MORE HASHING OUT.
SO THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE NOT A CONSENT ITEM.
WE'LL PROBABLY DO IT AS A R AN R SEVEN.
AND I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM THE REST OF THE COLLEAGUES ON WHAT, WHAT THEY THINK IS, UM, YOU KNOW, LET'S MAKE IT SHORT.
AND, AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN DO YOU, YOU CAN OUTREACH TO ALL OF US YES.
JUST TO SAY, HEY LOOK, THIS IS WHAT'S COMING UP.
YOU KNOW, WHERE DO YOU, WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THIS? THAT'S GOOD.
SO WE'LL SHOW COMMISSIONER SCHWAR IS MAKING THAT MOTION.
SO MR. CFO, I APOLOGIZE, I MISUNDERSTOOD WHEN WE KIND OF HUDDLED IN THE MORNING THAT, UM, WHEN THE SHEET YOU GAVE ME OB ONE, OB THREE, MB THREE AND MB NINE, UM, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THEY WERE BEING DEFERRED.
UH, IN FACT, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY'LL FALL OFF IF NOT HEARD HERE.
SO I WASN'T PLANNING ON HEARING ANY OF THOSE GIVEN I THOUGHT THEY WERE DEFERRED.
UH, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE MISUNDERSTANDING.
CAN WE JUST COLLECTIVELY OPEN AND CONTINUE ALL OF THOSE WITH THE EXPECTATION? THOSE FOUR WILL BE HEARD, UH, AT THE NEXT MEETING? UH, YES.
CHAIR, I THINK UNDER YOUR DISCRETION, UH, UH, THAT WE'LL SHOW THOSE OPEN AND CONTINUED AND THEY WILL, UM, DEFINITELY BE HEARD AT THE JUNE MEETING.
UM, I'M GONNA TRY AND SPEED THROUGH TOO, AND I HAVE TO GET OUT OF HERE IF, UH, THE TEAM WANTS TO, UH, CONTINUE, UM, QUICKLY, UH,
[NB 2. DISCUSS INCLUDING A REQUIREMENT TO REPAVE THE ENTIRE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY BEFORE CLOSING OUT A PERMIT FOR FDOT WORK IN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.]
JOHN NORRIS, CAN WE HEAR NB TWO REPAVE WORK BY FDOT.JOHN, HOW ARE YOU, UM, MR. CFO, DO YOU HAVE TO GIVE SOME MORE TO OPEN UP
UH, MB TWO DISCUSS, UH, INCLUDING A REQUIREMENT TO REPAVE THE ENTIRE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY BEFORE CLOSING OUT A PERMIT FOR FDOT WORK IN THE CITY OF MIAMIA BEACH.
UH, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS EVEN IN PERSON.
WE HAD THE FDOT TEAM OUT ON WEST AVENUE.
UM, WHEN I SEE THIS, UH, I SEE IT IN SEVERAL PARTS OF OUR CITY.
MANY PARTS OF OUR CITY, FDOT WILL DO
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UTILITY WORK, FDOT OR OTHER UTILITIES.WE'LL DO UNDERGROUND UTILITY WORK.
AND LET ME JUST GET THE THEME OUT, THEN YOU CAN CORRECT WHERE I'M KIND OF MIS WORDING SOME THINGS.
UH, THERE WILL BE UNDERGROUND UTILITY WORK DONE AND THE ROADS WILL ONLY BE REPAVED THAT ESSENTIALLY COVER WHERE THAT UTILITY WORK WAS DONE.
AND IT JUST MAKES THINGS LOOK AWFUL.
RIGHT? I SAW IT ON WEST AVENUE WHERE WE SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF TAXPAYER MONEY IN REPAVING THAT ROADWAY.
AND THEN IN THAT CASE, UH, I'M SORRY, NOT FDOT, FPL, UM, CAME OUT, DID THEIR UTILITY WORK COVERED JUST WHERE THEY WERE GOING.
AND THE ROAD LOOKS AWFUL, RIGHT? IT LOOKED LIKE THIS LIGHTNING ZIGZAG, UH, THAT THEY JUST COVERED THEIR TRACKS AND IT DESTROYED ALL THE AESTHETICS THAT WE PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO ESSENTIALLY MAINTAIN.
I SEE THE SAME THING KIND OF LINING UP DOWN, LET'S CALL SIX, NO SEVENTH OR EIGHTH STREET, UH, WHERE WE'RE DOING SOME UTILITY WORK.
IT HAPPENED IN THE SOUTH OF FIFTH AREA.
AND THIS IS JUST THINGS I'M OBSERVING AND, UH, ANECDOTALLY I SEE IT ALL OVER NORTH BEACH.
SO THE THOUGHT, I KNOW THERE'S SOME TRADE OFFS THAT YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT HERE IS IF A UTILITY PROVIDER COMES IN AND DOES UNDERGROUND WORK IT, WE JUST CAN'T HAVE OUR CITY LOOKING SO HODGEPODGE, RIGHT.
IF UNDERGROUND UTILITY WORK IS DONE, IT'S MY BELIEF.
UH, I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU THAT THAT UTILITY PROVIDER SHOULD BE DOING SIDEWALK TO SIDEWALK REPAVING.
UM, LET ME HAND IT OVER TO YOU TO KIND OF SEE WHAT I GOT, RIGHT, WHAT I GOT WRONG AND WHAT OUR CONSIDERATIONS ARE.
JOHN NORRIS, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, UH, JUST A LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN TO CHANGE THAT TO FP AND L BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE INTENT.
BUT, UH, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS ITEM.
THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS HAS RESTORATION STANDARDS THAT ARE PUBLISHED AND ARE PUBLIC WORKS MANUAL FOR ALL CONTRACTORS THAT ARE DOING WORK WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY WITHIN CITY RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE CONTROL OVER.
THE ROADS OWNED BY THE CITY OR THE RIGHT OF WAY, OWNED BY THE CITY.
THESE RESTORATION MA UH, STANDARDS ARE BASED ON THE EXTENT OF THE UTILITY CUT THAT'S MADE.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT MOST UTILITY COMPANIES ARE GOING TO DO A TEMPORARY PATCH, WHICH IS GONNA BE VERY MINIMAL.
AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A PAVING COMPANY COME BACK AND DO THE PERMANENT, UH, ASPHALT RESTORATION AT A LATER DATE.
SO A LOT OF TIMES WE DO SEE THESE SMALL PATCHES, BUT THEN MAYBE IN A FEW WEEKS A PAVING COMPANY WILL COME BACK AND DO THE ENTIRE RESTORATION.
CURRENTLY, IF A UTILITY CUT IMPACTS TWO LANES, SO SAY IT'S ON THE DASH LINE OF TWO LANES, IT IS REQUIRED THAT THEY RESTORE BOTH OF THOSE LANES.
WHEN A PERPENDICULAR CUT IS MADE ACROSS THE STREET, THEY HAVE TO GO 25 FEET IN EITHER DIRECTION.
THAT IS TO BASICALLY MAKE A SEAMLESS, A SOMEWHAT SEAMLESS REPAIR.
IN ADDITION, WE DO HAVE A MORATORIUM AFTER WE HAVE RESURFACED A ROADWAY FOR FIVE YEARS.
THAT MORATORIUM THEN INTRODUCES FULL WIDTH PAVING STANDARDS FOR CUTS, UH, TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN THAT YOU BROUGHT UP.
SO THERE ARE A FEW OPTIONS HERE.
WE COULD EXTEND THAT MORATORIUM.
I WOULD CAUTION AGAINST THAT BECAUSE ANY STANDARDS THAT WE HOLD CONTRACTORS TO THE CITY WILL ALSO HAVE TO ADHERE TO.
SO IT WILL DRIVE UP COST IN PARTICULAR TO OUR UTILITY FUNDS BECAUSE MOST OF THE RESTORATIONS THAT ARE DONE BY THE CITY ARE GOING TO BE BECAUSE OF A WATER MAIN BREAK OR A, UH, SEWER LINE REPAIR.
SO THOSE COSTS WILL NOT ONLY DRIVE UP COSTS TO DO WORK IN THE CITY FOR THE OTHER UTILITIES, BUT ALSO FOR OUR OWN UTILITIES.
HOW OFTEN WOULD THAT HAPPEN? OH, THAT HAPPENS VERY OFTEN FOR CITY WORK.
UM, MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK THAT WE ARE DOING REPAIRS TO A UTILITY AND WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO A RESTORATION.
CAN WE, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TO SAY.
UH, KEEP THIS HERE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION FOR A MONTH.
MAY ADAM, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS A PRIORITY OF GETTING THIS HEARD, BUT IF MY COLLEAGUES WANNA CHIME IN HERE, UM, BUT YOU AND I DISCUSS, UH, SOME NUANCES AND ONE THING I DID WANNA MENTION IS, UH, FURTHER FOLLOW UP ON THESE PERMITS THAT ARE POLLED.
AND THAT'S ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS IS MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING THESE TEMPORARY PATCHES RESTORED TO PERMANENT PATCHES.
AND I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE SEEING AROUND THE CITY, SO WE NEED TO DO BETTER AT THAT.
AND PERHAPS THIS WOULDN'T BE SO
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HIGHLY VISIBLE ON MY RADAR IF THAT HAPPENED.BECAUSE IT JUST, WE, WE CAN'T LIVE WITH OUR CITY LOOKING LIKE THAT.
IT'S BEEN A BIG FOCUS OF, UH, AESTHETICS AND PERHAPS THE TIME WHEN IT GOES FROM TEMPORARY STATUS.
THE REPAVED MAYBE, MAYBE I COULD GET OVER, YOU KNOW, NOT DOING THE CURB TO CURB MM-HMM
IF WE GOT OUT OF THAT INTERIM PERIOD.
NOW, I, I MEAN, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING ON EITHER SEVENTH STREET OR EIGHTH STREET, EAST TO WEST? YES.
IT'S LIKE YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE WHERE THE UTILITY WAS CUT OUT.
UM, I THINK DOWN WASHINGTON AVENUE, UH, FROM FIFTH STREET TO THIRD STREET, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE UTILITY WAS CUT.
UH, AND IT'S PROBABLY SO LONG AGO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T EVEN RECALL THE WORK THAT WAS DONE THERE.
'CAUSE PROBABLY DIDN'T OCCUR, UH, WHEN YOU WERE HERE.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND, I KNOW WE WANT TO DISCUSS THIS LATER, IS THE JURISDICTION THAT WE HAVE.
SO SOME OF THE MOST TRAVELED ROADS IN THE CITY ARE FDOT ROADS, ESPECIALLY FOR ME GOING UP TO NORTH BEACH COLLINS.
HARDING, UM, BOULEVARD IS IS COUNTY.
SO WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT, UH, THE JURISDICTIONAL AUTHORITY THAT WE HAVE.
WE DO HAVE GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH THOSE AGENCIES, AND WE DO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM ON, UH, TEMPORARY PATCHES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PERMANENTLY RESTORED.
BUT THAT IS ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND.
IT, IT'S JUST, I HATE WHEN WE, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE SECOND FIT ON ANYTHING.
I SAW FPL DOING SUBSTANTIAL WORK OVER ON BISQUE MM-HMM
UH, DOWNTOWN WHOLE EIGHT LANE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE FOUR LANES IS REPAVED, YOU KNOW, AND I GO, THAT WOULD NEVER FLY, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE ON BISQUE BOULEVARD, IT LOOKED LIKE A LIGHTNING BOLT GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE.
AND I NEVER WANNA PLAY SECOND FIDDLE.
I, I ASK MYSELF, WOULD CORAL GABLES HAVE STREETS THAT LOOK LIKE THIS? NO.
UM, SO I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE HOLDING UP THE HIGHEST STANDARD COMMISSIONER BOTT, AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP THIS HERE SO WE CAN HAVE THE TIME TO DISCUSS.
COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS IN.
WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'D LIKE TO BE A, UM, A CO-SPONSOR WITH YOU.
UM, THIS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN ON MY RADAR FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND SORT OF LOST TRACK OF IT.
BEFORE YOU WERE HERE, I WAS DOING THESE NEIGHBORHOOD WALKTHROUGHS, UM, WITH A WHOLE HOST OF STAFF MEMBERS.
AND, UM, IT WAS A VERY HOT TOPIC OF THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE PATCHES THAT JUST SORT OF, THEY, OH YEAH, THAT'S JUST A TEMPORARY PATCH.
AND THEN WHEN THEY CAME BACK TO REPORT BACK ON THE PUNCH LIST OF THINGS THAT WE WERE SEEING, THEY'RE LIKE, OH, THAT SHOULD HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN, UM, DONE SIX MONTHS AGO.
AND I'M LIKE, WELL, HAS THE PERMIT BEEN CLOSED OUT? YEAH.
AND IT JUST, IT, IT'S LIKE IN LIMBO.
SO I THINK PART OF IT IS JUST BETTER OPERATIONAL PROCEDURES INTERNALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER THE RIGHT TIMEFRAME IS, IS IT SIX DAYS? IS IT SIX WEEKS? SOMEBODY GOES OUT THERE AND SAYS, THE WORK IS DONE, IT'S GOTTA BE FINISHED.
THE OTHER THING IS, AESTHETICALLY FOR SURE IT'S A DISASTER, BUT ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, UM, A ON 63RD STREET ON THE NORTHBOUND LANE COMING AROUND THE, THE CURVE OF DEATH, THERE WAS A PATCH THAT HAD BEEN MADE, WHO KNOWS HOW LONG AGO, UM, THAT WAS SUCH, IT HAD SUNK AND IT WAS SUCH A DIVOT THAT I LITERALLY CALLED BECAUSE I THOUGHT I WENT OVER IT AT A NORMAL SPEED AND I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BREAK MY AXLE.
THAT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR THE CITY TO BE BREAKING PEOPLE'S CARS, AXLES, TRAFFIC CONGESTION.
IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT IT'S OKAY.
UM, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY THAT THIS IS UP ON, ON THE, UM, ON THE AGENDA TODAY BECAUSE I LITERALLY DROVE FROM, FROM 71ST STREET DOWN TO CITY HALL TODAY.
AND I WAS THINKING, WE NEED TO HAVE A, A RIDE ALONG WITH, WITH YOU AND JOSE.
AND, UM, THERE WAS SOMEBODY ELSE I WANTED TO BRING TO SHOW BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH WORK BEING DONE FROM 71ST STREET ACROSS 63RD DOWN LAGO TO HERE, YOU YOU DRIVE IT EVERY DAY.
I'M SURE YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN THAT IS FINALLY DONE.
LIKE, FORGET THE FACT THAT IT'S LIKE TAKING YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HANDS AND, AND BEING A, YOU KNOW, IN FROGGER OR MARIO KART OR WHATEVER, WHEN THE WORK IS DONE.
I HAVE ZERO CONFIDENCE THAT THE CONTRACTORS, WHETHER THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL HOMES WHO ARE DOING REPAIR WORK OR FPL OR OR US, UM, I HAVE ZERO CONFIDENCE THAT THOSE ROADS WILL BE RESTORED TO A, A PROPER POSSIBLE, UM, CONDITION BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
NOT THAT IT'S NOT POSSIBLE, BUT BECAUSE THERE'S NO ACCOUNTABILITY.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO ALSO WORK WITH YOU ON THIS, UM, AND FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF THIS CAN WE DO BY JUST TWEAKING OUR INTERNAL MEASURES NOW AND HOW MUCH OF IT IS MASSAGING THE RELATIONSHIPS WITH EXTERNAL, UM, ORGANIZATIONS.
BUT IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH THE WAY IT IS NOW.
AND, AND THERE WAS SO MUCH WORK HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, LIKE WE'VE KIND OF LET IT GO FALLOW BECAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF UTILITY WORK HAPPENING OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS, BUT NOW WE, WE CAN'T HANDLE IT THE WAY IT IS NOW.
SO THANK YOU CHAIR FOR BRINGING THIS.
OKAY, LET'S, UH, THANK YOU JOHN.
WE'LL WE'LL DISCUSS IN THE INTERIM YES, THAT, SO WE'LL SHOW THAT HEARD IN RETURN FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND WE'LL SHOW, UH, COMMISSIONER
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BOP BEING AT AS CO-SPONSOR.I KNOW WE HAVE A RESIDENT THAT CAME FOR HER ITEM.
COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, DO YOU WANT TO UH, SURE.
I THINK FROM THE CHAIR YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ONE MORE ITEM AND THEN ADJOURN.
SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA HEAR ONE MORE ITEM IN ADJOURN.
[NB 8. DISCUSS THE INSTALLATION OF A PLUMBED BIRD BATH WATER FEATURE AT BELLE ISLE PARK.]
DISCUSS THE INSTALLATION OF PLUMBED BIRD BATH WATER FEATURE AT BELL OWL PARK MB EIGHT.UM, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M HERE.
THE COMPONENT PARTS ARE NOT EXPENSIVE.
I'VE ONLY GATHERED ANOTHER 60.
UM, HOW MANY SIGNATURES TOTAL DO YOU HAVE? I HAVE 195 TOTAL, BUT IT'S THE EASIEST.
I'VE DONE VOTER REGISTRATION, I'VE DONE PETITIONS FOR MY CONDO AND I'VE NEVER IN MY LIFE HAD A PETITION THAT PEOPLE WERE SO EXCITED AND HAPPY TO SIGN AS THE LITTLE BIRD BATH PETITION FOR BELL ISLE PARK.
AND, AND YOU DO BIGGER, YOU DO BIGGER EVENTS LIKE THE NO KINGS DAY
UM, AND I, UM, I, I REALLY JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR THIS.
PEOPLE WANT, THEY LOVE HAVING THE BIRD FEEDERS IN THE PARK.
THEY LOVE SEEING THE BIRDS, YOU KNOW, MORE BIRDS.
AND LET ME SAY THAT MANY OF OUR SPECIES ARE, ARE, UM, IMPORTS.
WE HAVE THE, THE EURASIAN COLLAR DOVES FROM SOUTH AMERICA.
WE HAVE THE, THE GREEN PARROTS FROM SOUTH AMERICA, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF NATIVE DOVES.
UH, WE HAVE A BLACK AND WHITE WARBLERS.
WE HAVE THE LITTLE PALM WARBLERS, WE HAVE THE RED BEED WOODPECKERS, WE HAVE BLUE JAYS, WE HAVE GRACKLES AND MOCKINGBIRD, WE HAVE MICE.
A LITTLE BROWN MICE CAME TO MY FEEDER AND I PICKED HIM UP AND HE, HIS BACK LEGS WERE BROKEN.
HE, HE BIT MY FINGER, YOU KNOW, BUT HE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME WATER.
AND WE'VE GOT SQUIRRELS BACK IN THE PARK.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE DOING IT WITH THE DOGS, BUT PEOPLE REALLY, SO THEY WANT THE PEOPLE THAT, AND I'M SO GRATEFUL TO PARKS.
I'M GONNA SHUT UP IN ONE, LIKE ONE MINUTE, BUT THE COMMUNITY GARDENS AND MY BIRD FEEDERS AND THEY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN CONDOS, YOU KNOW, I, I WANTED TO BUY A HOUSE AND GET OUTTA HERE, BUT I'M, I'M TOO OLD TO GO.
I'M PUSHING 70 AND PEOPLE IN THE, JUST WANT IN THE PARKS, THE GARDENS, THE BIRD FEEDERS AND THE LITTLE BIRD BATH IS JUST A LITTLE PROJECT.
AND I'M ALSO WILLING TO KICK IN A COUPLE GRAND OF MY OWN MONEY ON THIS.
I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'LL DEPOSIT THAT INTO A FUND FOR THIS.
SO JOHN, WHAT IS THE THANK YOU COST? YEAH, WE, WE ESTIMATED BECAUSE IT, IT NEEDS PLUMBED WATER, THESE ELECTRICITY AND A SET UP, WE'LL GO OFF $15,000 FOR ALL OF THAT.
IS THAT, THAT'S THERE'S, THAT'S THE MOST YOU THINK IT'LL COST? I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT'S JUST, I MEAN, JUST RUNNING SOME PLUMBING AND ELECTRICITY REALLY ISN'T THAT MUCH.
THERE'S GEO BOND MONEY TOO, RIGHT? NOT FOR THE PARK.
UM, SO YES, YOU ALWAYS RUN INTO THINGS FOR CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE, WE'VE, WE PICKED A LOCATION CLOSEST TO WATER, CLOSEST TO ELECTRICITY, WOULD RATHER, IF YOU ARE GOING TO SEND THIS TO FULL COMMISSION, WOULD'VE RATHER BUDGET FOR THE FULL 15,000 AND NOT HAVE TO COME BACK AND MAYBE COME UNDER, UNDER BUDGET.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT UTILITIES AND A CONCRETE PATH, WHO'S WHO, WHO WOULD HAVE TO DO, WOULD IT BE A CITY STAFF THAT DOES THE WORK? UM, OR YOU'D HAVE TO CONTRACT OUT.
IT WOULD BE A, IT WOULD BE A COM A COMBINATION.
WE, WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE CITY STAFF DO AND IT COSTS NOTHING? WELL, WE, WE DO, I, I COULD CHECK INTO THAT, BUT WE ARE RUNNING ELECTRICAL LINES AND OBVIOUSLY WE DO, WE DO A, A HYBRID IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
WE DO A HYBRID WITH SOME OF OUR PARK STAFF AS WELL AS SOME CONTRACTORS.
UM, BUT WE ARE TAKING, IF, IF APPROVED, WE WANNA DO THIS THE MOST ECONOMICALLY, UM, METHOD WE CAN.
I JUST THINK THAT IF WE HAVE, I MEAN IT'S JUST A SIMPLE ELECTRICAL AND, UM, WATER.
IT SHOULD COST ALMOST NOTHING IF WE HAVE A PERSON ON STAFF TO DO THAT.
I DO NOT, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT DOES NOT HAVE A LICENSED ELECTRICIAN.
WE, WE COULD DO SOME WHO DOES SOME SMALL WORK DOES, DOES FACILITIES.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A LICENSE.
I KNOW THAT FOR SURE THEY DO ELECTRICITY BECAUSE THEY HAD TO CAP SOME OF THE OUTLETS AT THE YEAH, WE COULD DO SMALL WORK AND, AND THIS IS PRETTY SMALL.
COMMISSION IS ONE OUTLET WE ONE, ONE PIPE OF.
WELL, WE HAVE TO TAP INTO A SUPPLY.
WE WILL, WE WILL TRY TO KEEP THESE COSTS AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE IF I CAN MAYBE TO ASSIST.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT A DOLLAR VALUE ON IT.
BUT IF IT'S INTERESTED FOR THIS TO MOVE FORWARD AS WE ALWAYS DO FOR, FOR A BUDGET PRIORITY IS IT CAN RETURN TO COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION, BUT MAKE A BUDGET PRIORITY, AN FY 27 BUDGET PRIORITY FOR A PLUMBED, UH, BIRD BATH WATER FEATURE AT THE BE PARK.
AND THEN, UH, JOHN CAN WORK ON REFINING THAT, THAT COST ESTIMATE TO SEE IF IT'S ABLE TO BE AT A LOWER AMOUNT WHEN HE SUBMITS THE BUDGET ENHANCEMENT.
I THINK SINCE, UM, I THINK SINCE MONICA'S SO, YOU KNOW, INVOLVED IN THIS.
I THINK, MONICA, YOU EVEN SAID THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR THE BIRD BATH ITSELF, RIGHT? WELL, I'M GOING TO PUT $2,000 I, THE CON PONENT PARTS ARE LESS THAN A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
IT'S SOME ROCKS, MAYBE RIVER ROCKS OR SANDSTONE.
YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE TWO HORSE, ONE OR TWO HORSEPOWER WATER.
I KNOW, MONICA, I'LL MATCH WHATEVER YOU PUT IN.
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IS IT POSSIBLE TO, TO HAVE, UH, PRIVATE OF A FUND FOR MYSELF AND MONICA THAT WE GIVE TO THE CITY? I'D RATHER JUST TELL INSTEAD OF HAVING A, INSTEAD OF HAVING MAKING IT A BUDGET AMENDMENT PRIORITY, JUST TELL STAFF TO DO IT AND THEN WHATEVER THE COST IS, WE CAN DONATE TO, TO GET IT DONE.WELL, DO YOU WANNA ANSWER THE QUESTION? THE MOTION COULD BE CHANGED TO ACCEPT, UH, PRIVATE DONATIONS.
AND, AND I'LL ASK RICK TO JUMP IN AND COME 'EM OFFLINE IS, 'CAUSE I THINK WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE, IS TO ACCEPT PRIVATE DONATIONS TOWARDS THE COST OF A PLUM BATH AT BELL IS SURE.
AND I THINK YOU STILL NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE TOTAL COST WILL BE, BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT COMMISSIONER SUAREZ AND, UH, MONICA INTEND TO FULLY FUND THE COST.
COMMISSIONER SALINAS MY CONCERN WITH THIS, AND I DON'T OPPOSE IT OR ANYTHING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AS I'M THINKING ABOUT OUR BUDGETARY NEEDS AND ITEMS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE, YOU KNOW, THEN WHAT DO WE DO WHEN FLAMINGO PARK WANTS A BIRD BATH AND THEN THEY WANT A $15,000 BIRD BATH, AND THEN BAYSHORE PARK WANTS A $15,000 BIRD BATH.
AND THEN, SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, JUST FOR US TO BE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE, YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS THAT SIGNED YOUR PETITION, IS THERE A WAY TO CIRCLE BACK AND SAY, HEY GUYS, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA CHIP IN 200 BUCKS, YOU WANNA CHIP IN.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I'M WILLING TO, BETWEEN HER AND I ALSO, WE ALREADY HAVE A SPONSOR ME.
WEVE GOT 4,000 RIGHT HERE, BUT THERE WERE 109 PEOPLE IN THE PETITION, UH, TO 190.
UM, SO THEN, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WAY IF WE HAVE A PRIVATELY FUNDED BIRD BATH, WHICH IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED LAST NIGHT, THESE LITTLE PROJECTS THAT, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS CAN, CAN FUND, AND THEN THAT WAY WE'RE NOT ABSORBING THE COST.
AND WE ALSO DON'T HAVE TO SAY NO TO ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MIGHT WANT ONE.
WE CAN SAY, HEY, LOOK, THEY SELF-FUNDED THIS FLAMINGO PARK OR BAYSHORE PARK OR WHATEVER NORMANDY AISLE.
LISTEN, I, I THINK, UH, CAN WE TRY THAT FIRST? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS I'D RATHER JUST, I, YOU KNOW, MYSELF, I'M WILLING TO VOLUNTEER AND, AND, AND MONICA'S WILLING TO VOLUNTEER.
AND I'M SURE, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE OF THE 190 SOME ARE WILLING TO PITCH IN A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS.
I MEAN, GO TO THE REALLY DIFFICULT UP TO ALL THE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE AND GET MONEY OUT OF THEM.
I'VE GOTTA TELL YOU, I, I PAY A A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH FOR THE SEED, FOR THE BIRD FEEDER OUTTA MY POCKET, AND I HAVE A LITTLE SIGNUP ON THEIR FEEDER.
YOU KNOW, PLEASE HELP ME IF YOU CAN KEEP IT GOING OR WHATEVER.
I THINK TWO PEOPLE A YEAR GIVE ME $20.
SO FOR BIRD SEED, IF I MAY, IF I MIGHT CHIME IN, UM, THE STANDARD IS ACROSS THE STREET.
SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A CONVERSATION TO BE HAD.
THE OTHER THING I I DON'T REALLY WANT INVOLVE RESPECT THE COMMISSIONER.
I DON'T REALLY WANT INVOLVE THE STANDARD.
SO I HAVE A BIGGER ISSUE WITH THIS.
UM, WHICH IS NOT ABOUT THE BIRD FEEDER AT ALL.
AND I, MONICA, I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE, THE NOTE THAT YOU SENT IN ABOUT THAT, THAT ANONYMOUS TEXT MESSAGE THREATENING VIOLENCE TO YOU.
YEAH, WELL THAT ONE DAY, JUST ONE DAY OF TEXT MESSAGES, THAT, THAT WAS INSANE.
BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
I DON'T EVEN, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? AT ONE DAY THERE WAS A SINGLE DAY DURING WHICH TWO PEOPLE SENT ME, UM, A SLEW OF TEXT MESSAGES SAYING THAT THE BIRDS WERE BOTHERING THEM AND MAKING NOISE.
AND THEY INFORMATION NOT BE ALLOWED.
GONNA ASK YOU PERSONALLY, LIKE THREATENING.
IT WASN'T TO MEAN, AND I FELT I WAS THREATENED BY THE WORDS ON THE PAGE.
IT WAS LIKE REALLY OUTTA LINE.
BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
THERE'S ALREADY BIRDS THERE, RIGHT? WITH THE BIRD FEEDER.
YOU KNOW, THE PARK IS VERY POLITICAL ON BELL ISLE, SO YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL.
BUT THE BIGGER ISSUE I HAVE IS SYSTEMIC.
AND SO, FORGIVE ME, MONICA, IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ABOUT THE BIRD FEEDER.
I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, UM, THE FACT THAT WE ARE CONSISTENTLY GETTING ESTIMATES FOR WORK DONE ON RELATIVELY SMALL PROJECTS, INSTALLING THE SIGN AT THE BANYAN TREE IN PARK, UH, IN BAYSHORE PARK, OR, YOU KNOW, A PEDESTAL FOR, UM, UH, A PLAQUE IN NORTH BEACH.
AND JOHN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT COMING AT YOU, BUT THESE ARE THE, THE THINGS THAT YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT RECENTLY.
UM, THE THE, THIS COULD COST $15,000 BEFORE WE EXPLORE.
WHO DO WE HAVE ON STAFF IN WHICH DEPARTMENTS THAT CAN DO THE WORK INTERNALLY? UM, AND I FORGET WHO I HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH.
IT MIGHT'VE BEEN YOU, JOHN, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN SOMEBODY ELSE.
'CAUSE I HAVE A TERRIBLE MEMORY ABOUT, UM, STARTING TO HIRE PEOPLE WITH JOURNEYMAN CONSTRUCTION SKILLS SO THAT SOMEBODY FROM FACILITIES COULD DO AN INSTALLATION OF A, A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING IN A PARK THAT THESE, THE SKILLS THAT WE HAVE ON STAFF CAN CROSS DEPARTMENTAL LINES TO LOWER THE COST OF WHAT THIS IS.
LIKE, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT A BIRD BATH INSTALLATION COSTS.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE A LOT, BUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, HOW DO WE IMPROVE THE PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN WELL, THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
NO, I KNOW, BUT I WANNA ELEVATE IT HERE SO THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS, WE'RE STARTING OFF THE BUDGET CONVERSATION.
AND SO I WANT THAT TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSS AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE BUDGET PROCESS AND AS WE LOOK AT WHO WE'RE GONNA BE HIRING AND WHAT SKILLS THEY BRING AND, AND WHAT COST ESTIMATES ARE.
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A BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET, BUT IN FACT WITHOUT CUTTING A SINGLE JOB, WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE A $950 MILLION BUDGET AND ACHIEVE EXACTLY THE SAME JUST BECAUSE WE THINK DIFFERENTLY ABOUT OPERATIONS AND CROSS POLLINATING YOU.IT IS A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S, IT'S TIMELY.
SO CAN I ALSO, I'M SORRY, I JUST WANNA CIRCLE BACK TO MY POINT THOUGH.
I WANNA HEAR WHAT JOHN HAS TO SAY TOO.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET ON TRACK HERE.
AND I'M, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT DISCUSSION.
BUT FOR NOW, FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, WHERE ARE WE WITH THIS? IF I, IF BOTH MONICA AND I WANT TO FUND THIS PERSONALLY, I COULD CHASE THOSE 190 PEOPLE.
WAIT, CAN I JUST SAY, I JUST DID THE MATH.
$15,000 DIVIDED BY 200 PEOPLE IS $75 A PERSON.
AND IF I BACK OUT THE 4,000 THAT YOU GUYS ALREADY COMMITTED, IT'S $55 A PERSON.
YOU WON'T GET IT FROM EVERYBODY.
BUT COMMISSIONER MATT, IT'S OKAY.
MINE, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IF IT COMES FROM TWO OF US OR 190? IT DOESN'T, I MEAN IT, I'M SAYING LIKE, AS LONG AS THE MONEY'S COMING PRIVATELY, I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS.
NO, SHE'S SAYING THE BO LIKE YOU GUYS WOULD BE FUNDING FOUR GRAND OF IT AND THEN THERE'D STILL BE 11,000.
I JUST, I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT IT'S GONNA COST MORE THAN FIVE IN ALL, HONESTLY.
AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER BOT IS SAYING IS LIKE, I, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.
I THINK WE CAN DO THIS ALL INTERNALLY FOR, YOU KNOW, AND LOOK, IF FLAMINGO PARK WANTS A BIRD BATH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOBODY CARES.
YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD DEFINITELY HAVE SOMEONE ON STAFF WHO CAN JUST DO THESE QUICK FIXES.
STAFF ALWAYS WANTS TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY DO IT AND YOU KNOW, THEY ALWAYS CHARGE US THREE TIMES WHAT THE NORMAL COST IS.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT.
I THINK WE CAN GET THIS DONE HERE.
I THINK WE JUST NEED THE MATERIAL COST AND JUST HAVE SOME PVC AND SOME ELECTRICAL AND SOME CONDUIT.
SO WHERE, OKAY, WHERE DO WE, WHERE DO WE STAND? UH, IT WAS JUST INFORMED THAT THIS ITEM IS, OR, OR THE COMPANION IS ALSO AT NEIGHBORHOODS AND HASN'T BEEN HEARD.
SO IT WILL BE HEARD IN ANOTHER COMMITTEE.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THIS MAYBE IT, IT IS A DUAL PIECE THAT WOULD COME BACK TO COMMISSION IS I BELIEVE IT WOULD JUST RETURN TO COMMISSION WITH A FAIR RECOMMENDATION TO ACCEPT PRIVATE DONATIONS TOWARDS THE INSTALLATION OF A PLUM BUFFET AT BE PARK.
AND THEN WHAT I BELIEVE WOULD HAPPEN IS THAT ENDS UP BEING, THE MOTION OUTTA HERE IS IT WOULD BE HELD UNTIL NEIGHBORHOOD, I GUESS THE NEXT NEIGHBORHOOD'S, UH, MEETING WHERE YOU CAN GET THEIR PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION, I, I GUESS AND THAT WE ALL GO BACK TO COMMISSION.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT, TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS THERE.
UM, AND PROBABLY WE'LL END UP DOING IS IT'LL PROBABLY BEING A DISCUSS TAKE ACTION.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE MAY BE TWO DIFFERENT PIECES OF THAT.
UM, AND MY ASSUMPTION ALSO WOULD BE IS LET'S JUST SAY THE ACCEPTED DONATIONS ARE $4,000 AND ENDS UP BEING WHATEVER IT'S 5, 6, 7.
THERE'S IS SOME OTHER PRIVATE DOLL, UH, PUBLIC DOLLARS THAT TO BE INCLUDED.
AND THAT WOULD JUST BE, UM, THE BUDGET ENHANCEMENT THAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED A BUDGET ENHANCEMENT.
SO I MEAN, CAN CAN FINANCE ALSO DIRECT STAFF TO FIND THE PERSONNEL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THROUGH FACILITIES TO, TO DO THIS? OR DOES MATH COME FROM THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONER? YEAH, I COULD ANSWER TWO QUESTIONS.
IN FACT, WE HAVE CITY STAFF WORKING ON THE LATEST PEDESTAL AND PLAQUE.
SO WE, WE ARE DOING THE TEST AND COMMISSIONER, YOU, YOU HAVE MY COMMITMENT.
WE ARE GOING TO LOOK TO SEE HOW MUCH, IF NOT ALL WE CAN DO OF THIS PROJECT WITH CITY STAFF.
THAT'S, THAT'S, I JUST, I GOT A BIRD BATH FROM MY, FOR MY PLACE, IT WAS LIKE 200 BUCKS.
YOU JUST, YOU JUST PLACE IT THERE AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU JUST LOOK AT PERMIT REQUIREMENTS, WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
WHATEVER WE CAN DO WITH CITY STAFF, WE WILL.
IF IT MAKES SENSE, WE WILL DO WITH CITY STAFF.
SO IF WE GET THE $4,000 DONATION, THAT PLUS CITY STAFF MAY BE SUFFICIENT, IF NOT THE JUST FOR EDUCATION.
UM, DO WE NEED, WHEN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, DO WE NEED TO NEED TO GO THROUGH PERMIT PERMITTING PROCESSES? YEAH.
LIKE IS THERE A WHOLE THING OR IS IT, DOES, IS IT LIKE A I'LL I'LL CHECK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
THERE WILL BE AN ELECTRICAL CONNECTION.
THERE WILL BE A WATER CONNECTION.
I'LL DO ALL THE MAINTENANCE AND, YOU KNOW, AND SPEAKING ABOUT PRIVATE FUNDING, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THIS AT THE BUDGET HEARING YESTERDAY, COMMISSIONER MATEO SALINA SAYS, YOU KNOW, IF MAYBE WE DO REACH OUT TO THESE 190 AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, YOUR NAME COULD BE PUT ON A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, METALLIC PLAQUE.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, GET A LITTLE FUN, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT TO YOU BYS.
IT'S HARD TO GET MONEY OUTTA PEOPLE THOUGH, I TELL YOU.
OR MAYBE NOT INDIVIDUAL NAMES.
MAYBE A, A PLAQUE JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, DEDICATED BY THE RESIDENT.
WELL, THAT'S THE POINT IS IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE GIVING MONEY, AND IF YOU, IF WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE MORE PRIVATE DOLLARS AND YOUR NAME IS, YOU KNOW, TINY LITTLE FONT.
I, I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I THINK, AND BY THE WAY, A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS COULD GET FUNDED THAT WAY.
SO, UM, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT WHEN IT, WHEN IT GETS, SO AT LEAST FOR NOW, MONICA, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS HAS PASSED, UH, WELL, WE HAVEN'T VOTED YET TECHNICALLY, BUT THIS IS GONNA PASS.
HOPEFULLY IT DOES OUR FINANCE AND THEN NEIGHBORHOODS STILL HAS TO IRON THIS OUT.
UM, AND THEN WE WILL MOVE IT WORKING SIGNATURE.
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I'LL MOVE IT.SO RETURN TO COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION EXCEPT PRIVATE DONATIONS TOWARDS THE INSTALLATION OF PLUM BUR BATH AT WATER FEATURES BEAL PARK.
UH, ACTUALLY YOU'RE CHAIR, JUST TECHNICALLY COULD WE GET YOU CHAIR COMMISSIONER MATEO SALINAS TO MOVE IT.
READY? WELL, THE, THE ITEM IS PASSED.
IS IT A, IS IT A COMMISSIONER ONE? IS IT A COMMISSIONER? HOW MANY? ALRIGHT, LET'S HEAR IT.
DEBRA LEBOWITZ, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
I HAVE LISTENED FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS TO HEAR ABOUT THIS ONE MINUSCULE ISSUE.
UM, THIS IS REALLY AN INFORMATIVE MEETING AND I'M, I'M SO GLAD THAT I ATTENDED.
MY INITIAL UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THIS BIRD BATH WAS GONNA BE PAID FOR OUT OF GEO BOND FUNDS.
AND THAT CONCERNED ME BECAUSE IT WAS NOT BROUGHT BEFORE THE THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS WHO LIVE ON BELL ISLE, WHICH I DO FOR THE LAST MANY 10 YEARS.
AND I LIVE ON, UH, VENETIAN ISLAND FOR 25 YEARS BEFORE THAT.
SO I'M A VERY LONG-TERM, UM, VENETIAN ISLANDS RESIDENT, VENETIAN CAUSEWAY RESIDENT.
UM, I, I'D LIKE TO SAY HATS OFF TO YOU FOR ALL THE IMPORTANT, UM, ITEMS YOU'VE DISCUSSED.
YOU'VE TOUCHED ON MANY THINGS THAT ARE SUPER IMPORTANT TO LONG-TERM RESIDENTS ABOUT THE ROADS, ABOUT CONSTRUCTION THAT NEVER SEEMS TO BE DONE, ET CETERA.
UM, I, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE THERE TO BE A PROCESS WHEREBY RESIDENTS ON BELL ISLE HAVE MORE OF A SAY IN WHAT'S GOING ON IN BELL ISLE IN GENERAL.
UM, AND I'M WORKING TOWARDS THAT.
SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
I APPRECIATE, THANK YOU DEBBIE, UH, APPRECIATE YOU STAYING ENGAGED FOR, UM, FOR ALL THE CITY MATTERS, ESPECIALLY ON BELLOW.
I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER GORAN COOK IS ONLINE FROM, UH, NORTH BAY VILLAGE.
IS THAT THE NON-RESIDENT ENTRANCE FEES? MM-HMM
[NB 9. DISCUSS/TAKE ACTION ON THE POSSIBLE REVISION OF NON-RESIDENT ENTRANCE FEES AND/OR THE INTRODUCTION OF RESIDENT GUEST PASSES FOR CITY POOLS.]
MB NINE.DISCUSS, TAKE, DISCUSS, TAKE ACTION ON POSSIBLE REVISIONS TO NON-RESIDENT ENTRANCE FEES AND OR INTRODUCTION OF RESIDENT GUEST PASSES FOR CITY POOLS.
OKAY, JOHN? UM, I'LL JUST TAKE IT AWAY.
UM, YES, WE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE RESIDENTS USE OUR ENT ENTRY, ENTER OUR POOLS AT NO COST.
AND WE DO HAVE RESIDENT RATES TO EN ENTER OUR POOLS, WHICH CURRENTLY ARE 19 FOR DOLLARS FOR ADULTS.
NON-RESIDENTS, $19 AND 13 FOR CHILDREN.
AND THEN WE HAVE ALSO, A RESIDENT COULD BUY A PUNCH PASS OR A 10 ENTRY PASS THAT THEY COULD USE FOR THEIR GUESTS, WHICH IS AT A REDUCED RATE OF, UM, IT'S 105, $105.
SO THAT WOULD BRING THAT PRICE DOWN TO 10 50 AT ENTRY VERSUS THE 19.
SO THAT'S OUR CURRENT, UM, OUR CURRENT STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE FOR THE, THE POOL ENTRIES.
AND NORTH BAY VILLAGE HAS A SEPARATE RESOLUTION, WHICH IS SIX 50 FOR CHILDREN AND NINE 50 FOR ADULTS.
DO WE HAVE A COST FOR NORTH BAY? LIKE WHAT DO WE MAKE EVERY YEAR IN NORTH BAY VILLAGE AND DOLLAR AMOUNT FROM THOSE RESIDENTS? DO YOU HAVE A FIGURE? I, I KNOW YOU'RE RIGHT, IT DOES SAY THAT YOU ONLY SOLD 32 YEAH.
UM, SO LOOK, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A GREAT NEIGHBOR.
UM, I'D LIKE TO TAKE THEM OVER SOMEDAY.
UH,
AND I DON'T REALLY THINK THERE'S GONNA BE ANY SORT OF STRAIN ON OUR RESOURCES.
IT'S, IT'S GOOD FOR, FOR OUR SORT OF INTERLOCAL PARTNERSHIP BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE HAVING A, A MAJOR SOCCER CLUB IN, IN NORMANDY AND, AND I'M, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A A, A TRADE OFFS, IF YOU WILL, WITH, UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER KOCH THE LINE, HAS HE RAISED HIS HAND? NOT YET.
JOHN, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY? WELL, COMMISSIONER, I COULD ADD ONE THING.
NORTH BAY VILLAGE FY 25 LOOKS LIKE WE COLLECTED $860 IN REVENUE FOR THEIR NON-RESIDENT RATE COMING IN.
I MEAN THAT'S NOTHING, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO.
I MEAN, IT'S NOTHING I, UH, IT'S NOTHING
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BUT, SO WE APPROXIMATELY SOLD 32 PUNCH PASSES FOR $3,000 TO NORTH BAY VILLAGE RESIDENT.YOU CAN BUY A, A 10 AND 10 PUNCH PASS.
UM, SO THEN DO, DO WE, DO WE, I MISSED THIS PART.
DO, DO WE COLLECT, WE KNOW HOW MANY NORTH BAY VILLAGE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, THERE, IF WE GIVE IT TO 'EM FOR FREE, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOSS AND YOU KNOW, SO IS IT A HUNDRED BUCKS A YEAR? A THOUSAND BUCKS A YEAR THAT WE, THE ONES THAT WE, WE WEAR WITH A CAPTURE EQUALED $860 IN TOTAL REVENUE COLLECTING THE SPECIAL NORTH BAY VILLAGE ENTRY FEE.
BUT THEN WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR SOCCER FIELD, ARE THEY GONNA LET OUR RESIDENTS GO THERE FOR FREE? ARE THEY, WHAT'S THE, WE WERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SEPARATE ITEM, ALSO A FEW DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS IN NORTH BAY VILLAGE.
AND, AND, AND MY STAFF WAS IN, IN CONTACT WITH NORTH BAY VILLAGE ADMINISTRATION AND THEY ASKED TO GIVE US UNTIL, GIVE THEM, UNTIL LIKE MID-JULY BEFORE WE CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION.
THEY, THEY JUST, THEY WANNA GET SETTLED SURE.
SETTLED IN WITH THEIR NEW CENTER.
BUT, UM, SO WE WERE IN CONVERSATIONS, BUT IT'S ON PAUSE UNTIL MID-JULY TO THE VICE.
UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE IN THEIR BUDGET WHERE THEY COULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, I JUST, THEY'RE ABOUT TO BE FLUSH WITH CASH WITH THEIR NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, RESPECTFULLY, COMMISSIONER, I DON'T, IT'S JUST $800.
I MEAN, AND I'M NOT SAYING MAKE IT FREE FOR EVERYONE.
I'M JUST SAYING JUST FOR NORTH BAY VILLAGE WE'RE GOING TO THE, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'RE GONNA BE UP AND COMING OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
I WANNA HAVE THE BEST RELATIONSHIP WITH THE POSSIBLE.
AND I DON'T WANNA NICKEL AND DIME THEM FOR LIKE POOL PASSES BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE A TIME WHERE OUR KIDS IN NORTH BEACH ARE GONNA WANT TO GO TO, TO NORTH BAY VILLAGE.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY RECIPROCATE.
AND LISTEN, I MEAN, BY THE WAY, LOOK, IF THEY DON'T RECIPROCATE, THEN WE CAN EASILY TAKE THIS AWAY.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS FOREVER.
IT'S IS JUST LET'S JUST AS A GOOD FIRST STEP.
AND AGAIN, IT'S $800 THAT WE'RE, AND LET'S BE HONEST, THAT $800 IS, IS IS REALLY KIDS GO TO THE POOL.
SO I, I THINK THAT'S JUST A GOOD FIRST STEP TO BUILD A BETTER RELATIONSHIP.
BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S RECIPROCATED AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, THAT THAT'S ALL.
AND, AND COMMISSIONER, UH, GORIAN COOK IS ON THE LINE.
MAYBE HE CAN SPEAK TO HOW HE, THEY CAN RECIPROCATE.
SO WE'VE AND COMMISSIONER BOT, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? GO AHEAD.
SO, UM, I, IT'S FUNNY 'CAUSE WE'RE ALL HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATIONS IN THE SAME WEEK.
I WAS LITERALLY ON THE PHONE WITH THE MAYOR OF NORTH BAY VILLAGE YESTERDAY MORNING ABOUT THIS FROM A LARGER PERSPECTIVE, THIS KIND OF RECIPROCAL USE BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED THAT WE ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO, WHICH IS, UH, MULTIPLE SOCCER FIELDS AND SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHERE COULD WE PUT IN A FULL SIZE SOCCER FIELD AND IT'S GOING TO BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.
UM, NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE AND REQUIRE A LOT OF TRADE-OFFS.
TALKING ABOUT, TALKING ABOUT THE WEST LOTS POTENTIALLY, OR, OR ELSEWHERE.
I MEAN, MAYBE ON THE ROOF OF A NEW PARKING LOT.
LIKE I'M, I'M TRYING TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX ON THIS.
SO WHAT I WAS SAYING TO MAYOR ST.
FELD WAS, UM, CAN WE HAVE A CONVERSATION? I KNOW THEY SAID TO US THAT THEIR STAFF SAID TO OUR STAFF, WE NEED UNTIL JULY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ALL ARE.
BUT IN RACHEL AND I WERE SAYING THAT WE ACTUALLY NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BECAUSE OF THEIR LEGAL CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS.
IF WE'RE GONNA ADJUST, UM, THE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION SO THAT WE HAVE A RECIPROCAL EXCHANGE OF SOCCER FIELD AND, AND RESIDENTS IN NORTH BAY VILLAGE, AND THEN THEY COME AND USE OUR 72ND STREET, UM, UH, SPORTS COMPLEX AND OTHER, UH, MIAMI BEACH FACILITIES, IT, IT SHOULD REALLY BE THIS WHOLE COMPREHENSIVE HOLISTIC LIKE WHERE WE'RE, WE ARE ALMOST THE SAME TOWN.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING ON, UM, UH, TROLLEY SITUATIONS AND HOW TO GET OUR RESIDENTS TO THEM AND THEIR RESIDENTS TO US WITHOUT PUTTING ADDITIONAL CARS ON THE ROAD.
SO I, I THINK THE, THE, THE GOAL OF THIS IS EXACTLY RIGHT.
I, I THINK I, AND I KNOW I DON'T HAVE A VOTE ON THIS, BUT MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO JUST HOLD ON FOR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MEETING, UM, AT THE END OF MAY TO START THIS CONVERSATION TO HOLD ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND MAYBE START WITH THIS AND THAT'S FINE 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S CONFINED, BUT THE BIGGER CONVERSATION, LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THIS HOLISTICALLY IN A WAY THAT BENEFITS ALL OF US.
AND SURE, LIKE I, AGAIN, JUST LIKE I SAID, LIKE YOU SAID, I WANNA CONFINE THIS TO JUST THIS PARTICULAR THING, UM, FOR AS A GOOD, AS A GOOD FIRST STEP.
UH, ON, ON BUILDING THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH NORTH BAY VILLAGE UNTIL VICE CHAIR, UNTIL
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SUCH TIME THAT WE TAKE THEM OVER TO THE VICE CHAIR.IF I MAY, I JUST WANNA PROVIDE, ARE THEY GREENLAND IN THIS SITUATION?
UM, THERE WAS A, A, AN ITEM RELATED TO F FACILITIES FOR NORTH BAY, THE USE OF FACILITIES BY NORTH BAY VILLAGE RESIDENTS AT THE MARCH 4TH MEETING, WHICH RECEIVED A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO RETURN BACK TO COMMISSION AND TO DIRECT THE ADMINISTRATION TO NEGOTIATE AN MOU.
IT WAS MY, IT WAS THAT MY, NO, IT WAS YOUR ITEM.
I BELIEVE THAT THIS ITEM MIGHT BE A MODIFICATION OF THAT ITEM BASED ON, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, FREE ACCESS.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THIS GOES BACK, THAT WE DON'T HAVE COMPETING ITEMS ON, UH, WELL, I THINK THIS IS VERY SPECIFICATION.
LIKE THEY DO THIS ITEM RECONCILIATION LIKE THEY DO, WELL IT HASN'T COME BACK TO COMMISSION YET, THE ONE FROM MARCH 4TH.
SO I THINK THAT THAT COULD BE COMBINED WITH THIS ONE PERHAPS.
UM, I THINK WE CAN KEEP IT SEPARATE.
I MEAN, AGAIN, I JUST, I WANNA, I, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS COMPLICATED.
LET, LET'S HEAR FROM COMMISSIONER GORIAN COOK, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
HEY, GOOD MORNING OR GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.
UH, AND I'M, I'VE HEARD SOME GREAT COMMENTS AND AND FEEDBACK HERE AND I JUST WANTED TO, UH, REITERATE THAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO CONTINUE BUILDING ON THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'VE ALREADY STARTED.
UH, WE STARTED WITH THE TROLLEY, UH, AND THAT'S BEEN REALLY FAVORABLE BY THE COMMUNITY.
WE ENDED UP DOING, UM, A COUPLE OF JOINT EVENTS AT THE BAN.
SHELL, UH, COMMISSIONER BOT JOIN ME FOR THAT.
THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS A GREAT TIME OF, OF, UH, JOINING OUR TWO COMMUNITIES TOGETHER AND THIS NORMANDY POOL WE SEE KIND OF AS, AS AN EVOLUTION OF THAT PARTNERSHIP.
UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S, UM, AS WE SAW A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS A YEAR GO FIRST, UM, IF THAT IS, IF THAT IS, IF THAT IS A STICKING POINT, UM, I, I'M WILLING TO, I'LL JUST PAY IT MYSELF OUT OF MY OWN POCKET IF NEEDED.
UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TRY IT OUT AS A PILOT PROGRAM, UH, FOR A COUPLE MONTHS, PERHAPS THROUGHOUT THE END OF THE YEAR, UH, TO SHOW OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK TOGETHER WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, WITH OUR PARTNERS, THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MAXIMIZE THE USE OF JOINT, UH, RESOURCES THAT WE BOTH HAVE.
AND I'M ABSOLUTELY OPEN TO, UH, HAVING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR SOCCER FIELDS AND WE'LL HAVE PADDLE COURTS AND PICKLEBALL COURTS AND WALKING PATHS AND OTHER THINGS, UH, THAT WILL OPEN IN JULY.
UH, I KNOW WE ARE LOOKING TO MOVE OVER OUR PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR THERE BY SEPTEMBER.
SO, UM, THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST TIME TO, TO, TO SEE WHERE, WHERE WE CAN, WHERE WE CAN ADD ON.
BUT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE INTENT.
WE WANT TO OFFER THAT UP TO, UH, NORTH BEACH RESIDENTS, NORMANDY RESIDENTS AS WELL, UH, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, OF THOSE FIELDS AND, AND, UM, AND AMENITIES THAT ARE GONNA BE AVAILABLE.
SO LOOK, I I, LIKE I SAID, WE JUST WANNA BUILD ON THE RELATIONSHIP.
WE HAVE PLANS IN MOTION FOR A MORE OF A LONG TERM STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP.
UH, BUT THIS IS A GOOD FIRST STEP, UM, COMMISSIONER.
UM, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO MOVE IT TO FULL COMMISSION TO SUPPORT THIS ITEM.
IF, IF I MAY ADD TO THAT, JUST HEARING WHAT, UM, THE COMMISSIONER OR VICE MAYOR FROM NORTH BAY VILLAGE STATED ABOUT A PILOT IS, WOULD IT BE THEN RETURNING COMMISSION TO A, A FAVOR RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOW FREE ACCESS BY NORTH BAY VILLAGE RESIDENTS TO MIAMI BEACH POOLS FOR A PERIOD OF PILOT PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS.
AND THAT WOULD GIVE THE TIME TO IRON OUT THESE OTHER NUANCES SURE.
THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR.
THROUGH THE END OF THE CALENDAR, YEAH.
UH, AND WE'LL SHOW, UH, COMMISSIONER MONICA SALINAS MAKING THAT MOTION.