* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. FOUR, UH, [ATTENDANCE] [00:00:03] UH, THE SEPTEMBER FOUR 15TH RATHER, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING. UM, [CITY ATTORNEY UPDATES] I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY, UH, TO EXPLAIN HOW YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING IF YOU'D LIKE TO. GOOD MORNING. TODAY'S MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD IS BEING CONDUCTED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH A QUORUM OF THE BOARD PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AT MIAMI BEACH CITY HALL, AND APPLICANT'S STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM. THOSE WISH TO PARTICIPATE VIA ZOOM MAY DIAL A TOLL FREE NUMBER, WHICH IS 8 8 8 4 7 5 4 4 9 9, AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 1 7 4 8 3 4 7 4 8 8 POUND, OR LOG INTO THE ZOOM APP AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH AGAIN IS 8 1 7 4 8 3 4 7 4 8 8. INDIVIDUALS WISHING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM AS CLICK RAISE HAND IF THEY'RE USING THE ZOOM APP OR DIAL STAR NINE IF PARTICIPATING BY PHONE BEFORE I SWEAR IN THOSE WHO ARE TESTIFYING, I'M GOING TO READ INTO THE RECORD THE CITY'S NOTICE REGARDING LOBBYIST REGISTRATION. IF YOU'RE APPEARING ON BEHALF OF A BUSINESS, A CORPORATION, OR ANOTHER PERSON, INCLUDING AS AN ARCHITECT, ATTORNEY, OR REPRESENTATIVE OF AN APPLICANT OR OBJECTOR, YOU NEED TO REGISTER AS A LOBBYIST WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE BEFORE ADDRESSING THE BOARD. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO REGISTER IF YOU ARE SPEAKING ONLY ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF. YOU ARE TESTIFYING AS AN EXPERT WITNESS, PROVIDING ONLY SCIENTIFIC, TECHNICAL, OR OTHER SPECIALIZED TESTIMONY, OR YOU'RE APPEARING AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHOUT COMPENSATION TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR OR OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM. EXPERT WITNESSES AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REPRESENTATIVES SHALL PRIOR TO APPEARING DISCLOSE IN WRITING TO THE CITY CLERK, THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THE PRINCIPLE ON WHOSE BEHALF THEY'RE COMMUNICATING. THESE RULES APPLY WHETHER YOU'RE APPEARING IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST AN ITEM, OR ENCOURAGING OR ARGUING AGAINST ITS PASSAGE, DEFEAT, MODIFICATION, OR CONTINUANCE. [SWEARING IN OF PUBLIC] I'LL NOW SWEAR ON EVERYONE WHO IS PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN COMMISSION CHAMBERS AND INTENDS TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY. VIRTUAL SPEAKERS WILL NEED TO BE SWORN IN ONE BY ONE BEFORE ADDRESSING THE BOARD. SO IF YOU'LL BE TESTIFYING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL BE GIVING IN THIS PROCEEDING IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. OKAY. SO, UM, LET'S SEE HERE. NOW WE HAVE OUR [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, THE JULY 14TH MEETING. I'LL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE? YES, WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE FOR, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE [2. HPB26-0691, 2100/2111 COLLINS AVENUE – THE BASS MUSEUM OF ART.] FOR HEB 26 SLASH 0 6 91. 2121 11 COLLINS AVENUE, THE BEST MUSEUM OF ART. DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANTS, UM, HERE, PRESENT OR THROUGH ZOOM? NONE PRESENT OR IN ZOOM REQUESTING? THEY'RE REQUESTING FOR THE NOVEMBER MEETING. OKAY. DO WE HAVE COMMENTARY? THE PAST MUSEUM IS, IS LOOKING TO CONTINUE? I, YEAH, I WOULD NEED TO CONTINUE. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. AND DO THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE MADAM CHAIR. UM, JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE SHOULD ASK WHETHER ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE PROPOSED CONTINUANCE. DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS? NO ONE ON ZOOM IN PUBLIC. NO ONE IN THE CHAMBERS. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO I THINK THAT BRINGS US THEN TO OUR FIRST ITEM, UM, [3. HPB26-0705, 1722 JEFFERSON AVENUE.] HPV 26 0 7 0 5 17 22 JEFFERSON AVENUE. YES. THE FIRST ITEM IN THE AGENDA IS HEB 26 SLASH 0 7 0 5 17 22 JEFFERSON AVENUE. THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE, APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION AND RENOVATION OF AN EXISTING TWO STORY RESIDENCE, INCLUDING A NEW TWO STORY ADDITION AND VARIANCES FROM THE REQUIRED NORTH AND SOUTH INTERIOR SIDE. SETBACKS FOR SWIMMING POOL AND A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD FOR AN AVALOR TAX EXEMPTION FOR THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS. THIS PROPERTY, UH, WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1924, DESIGNED BY ARCHITECT PO WILSON, AND IS CLASSIFIED AS CONTRIBUTING WITHIN THE PALM VIEW LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, STAFF, UH, WOULD NOTE THAT THAT WE DO, UH, THERE ARE TWO VARIANCES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED, SO JUST GO OVER THAT AND READ INTO THE RECORD A VARIANCE TO REDUCE, UH, BY RANGE OF SIX INCHES TO ONE SIX, THE MINIMUM REQUIRED SIDE SETBACK OF SEVEN SIX IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A SWIMMING POOL DECK, UM, OF A SETBACK OF SIX FEET, BETWEEN SIX FEET AND SEVEN FEET ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATION, THERE'S ALSO VARIANCE TO REDUCE, UH, THE RANGE FROM 1 4 1 FEET TO FOUR INCHES TO TWO FEET FOUR INCHES. THE [00:05:01] REQUIRED SIDE SETBACK OF NINE FEET IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT THE SWIMMING POOL AT A SETBACK OF 6 8, 6 FEET, EIGHT INCHES, AND SEVEN FEET, EIGHT INCHES AT THE WATER SIDE. ON THE NORTH END SIDE SETBACK, THIS APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH, UM, THE SWIMMING POOL, UH, FOR SMALLER CONFIGURATIONS. SO THE WAY THAT IT EXISTED WAS, UH, PROPOSED, UH, PAVERS THAT EXISTED ALL THROUGHOUT THE REAR YARD SETBACK. SO THEY ARE, UH, REDUCING IT TO A SMALLER DECK AND POOL. UM, THE VARIANCES, UH, WE FEEL THAT ARE THE MINIMUM NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED POOL DESIGN. UM, THIS IS PARTICULARLY EVIDENT WHEN CONTRIBUTING THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS CONTAINING A PRE 1942 ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANT HOME FOR SUCH PROPERTIES. UM, THERE IS A MINIMUM SETBACK OF FIVE FEET, UM, TO THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE, PROPERTY LINE TO A SWIMMING POOL DECK OR PLATFORM. UM, THIS IS LOCATED IN THE PALM VIEW HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, HOWEVER, IT IS LOCATED IN OUR MOON ZONING DISTRICT, SO IT DOES REQUIRE THE GREATER SETBACK. UM, HOWEVER, WHAT WE WANTED TO NOTE WAS THAT IF THIS WAS LOCATED IN A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITHIN THE PALM VIEW DISTRICT, THIS ACTUALLY WOULDN'T REQUIRE A SETBACK. SINCE THE MINIMUM IS FIVE FEET, THERE ARE PROPOSING IT FROM A RANGE OF SIX FEET TO SEVEN UH, FEET. SO IN THAT CASE, THIS IS THE REASON WHY IT'S COMING BEFORE YOU ON THE BOARD. UM, THE OTHER, UH, PORTION OF WHAT THE APPLICATION IS REQUESTING IS THE AVALOR TAX EXEMPTION. UH, THIS DESCRIBES QUALIFYING IMPROVEMENTS FOR EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE WINDOWS, THE DOORS AND INTERIOR RENOVATION OF THE KITCHEN, BATHROOM AND LIVING SPACES. UH, STAFF ENDS OF THE PROPERTY IS A CONTRIBUTED BUILDING, UM, THAT PROPOSES THE QUALIFYING IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARD FOR REHABILITATION. UM, THAT WE DO FEEL THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COA CRITERIA AND WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE ATTACHED DRAFT ORDER. AND FOR THAT, I'LL HAND IT OVER TO THE APPLICANTS. UM, IF I COULD JUST JUMP IN BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAD MET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER BEFORE HE PURCHASED, UM, THIS SITE. AND I WOULD REALLY JUST LIKE TO COMMEND, UH, THIS NEW PROPERTY OWNER, UM, FOR PROPOSING WHAT IS A SUBSTANTIAL RETENTION AND RESTORATION OF THE EXISTING, UH, PROPERTY. UH, I THINK GISELLE BROUGHT UP A REALLY GOOD POINT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT CAUSES SOME DIFFICULTY. UM, WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, IT IS ZONED RM ONE. SO EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THE CURRENT OWNER, HIS INTENT IS TO USE IT AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. UM, BECAUSE IT'S IT'S A RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT, IT HAS DIFFERENT SETBACKS THAN HE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE IF, IF, IF IT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY ZONING JUST IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH. UM, SO I THINK THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES HERE, BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST, I JUST REALLY WANNA COMMEND THE NEW PROPERTY OWNER FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, DOING AN AMAZING JOB. THIS WILL BE A, A HUGE ASSET TO THE PALMVIEW HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED THAT HE'S CHO CHOOSING THIS TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME BECAUSE IF IT WAS TO BE CONVERTED INTO MULTIPLE UNITS, UM, IT WOULD LIKELY REQUIRE MORE AGGRESSIVE MODIFICATIONS. UM, AND SO THIS ACTUALLY IS A, IS A PRETTY LOW INTERVENTION, UM, APPLICATION THAT WE'RE HIGHLY SUPPORTIVE OF. THANK YOU. DEBBIE. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS RATHER FOR STAFF? FOR STAFF? GO AHEAD, NICK. YEAH, QUICK QUESTION, JUST IN THE STAFF REPORT, I WAS READING ABOUT THE ADD VALIUM TAX EXEMPTION. I DON'T TOTALLY UNDERSTAND IT'S A STAFF HAS ESTIMATED RANGE OF ANNUAL SAVINGS. DOES THAT MATTER TO US IF IT'S THE LOW VALUE OR HIGH VALUE? NO. SO, AND I CAN EXPLAIN THAT THE DIFFICULTY IS THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH WHEN WE PROCESS THESE APPLICATIONS, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT HOW THAN HOW THE COUNTY PORTIONS THEIR, THEIR EQUIVALENT APPLICATIONS AS WE FRONT LOAD THE PROCESS IN TERMS OF AUTHORIZING A TAX EXEMPTION PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION OCCURRING ON THE SITE. UM, WHAT THE DIFFICULTY IS, IS THEIR SAVINGS IS GOING TO BE REALIZED ONLY AFTER CONSTRUCTION IS DONE AND THE PROPERTY APPRAISER REASSESSES THE BUILDING VALUE. UM, WE HAVE MET WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER TO TRY AND COME UP WITH ESTIMATES FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO GIVE 'EM A BALLPARK OF HOW MUCH THEY'RE GONNA SAVE. AND TYPICALLY WHAT WE HAVE BEEN, UM, REQUIRED OR RECOMMENDED, THE PROPERTY APPRAISER HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE JUST BASE BASE ANY POTENTIAL SAVINGS ON IF THERE'S NEW SQUARE FOOTAGE BEING ADDED BECAUSE THAT IS A TANGIBLE BUILDING VALUE INCREASE. AND WE BASE THAT NEW SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE CURRENT PER SQUARE FOOT VALUE OF THE HOME, WHICH TYPICALLY AFTER YOU DO A MAJOR RENOVATION, THAT INCREASES. UM, HOWEVER, IT'S NOT A PERFECT FORMULA. THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT COULD INCREASE THE BUILDING VALUE THAT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER WILL NOT GIVE US THEIR SECRET FORMULA. WE HAVE ASKED MULTIPLE TIMES, UM, [00:10:01] , SO WE DO OUR BEST. IN THIS CASE, THE EXISTING PER SQUARE FOOT BUILDING VALUE WAS SO LOW THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE ANTICIPATE THAT WILL COME UP. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE RANGE ON THIS. BUT IT IS PURELY AN ESTIMATE. UM, WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE, REASONABLY ACCURATE WITH OUR ESTIMATES. WE'RE USUALLY ABOUT 10% LOW, UM, TO WHAT THE ACTUAL SAVINGS COMES OUT. BUT PRIOR TO THE ACTUAL SAVINGS, THE COUNTY TAX APPRAISER WILL SEND US A, A REVENUE IMPLICATION STATEMENT, WHICH WILL GIVE US, GIVE THE PROPERTY OWNER THE EXACT SAVINGS. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT IN CHAMBERS? OKAY, PERFECT. COMING UP, UH, MY NAME IS SCOTT WINKLE. I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR JOSE DUO WITH HIS, UH, RESIDENCE. THANK YOU FOR THE ATTENTION TO DETAIL. IT SAVED ME A LOT OF BREATH. UM, HE HAS A VERY MINOR INTERVENTION WE'RE DOING WITH THE POOL AND AS YOU SAID, UH, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED, UH, GENERALLY IN RR ONE, BUT, UM, THE RM, SORRY, RM ONE SUPERSEDED IT AT THE MOMENT, BUT WE'D LIKE TO JUST GO BACK TO THE STANDARD HISTORIC, UM, SETBACKS OF FIVE FEET. WE DON'T EVEN USE ALL THAT. UM, BUT WE'RE MAYBE ABOUT A ONE OR TWO FOOT ENCROACHMENT ON THE SIDES. UM, MADAM CHAIR, I BELIEVE THE PROPERTY OWNER IS ALSO ON ZOOM. JOSE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO TO PRESENT ANYTHING. UM, HE DID SEND IN A YES. HI, I'M HERE. I WANTED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THE VIDEO ON, SIR. COULD I PLEASE SWEAR YOU MUTE? NO VIDEO, JUST, OH YEAH. OH, YOU CAN'T SEE ME. OKAY. OH, GO AHEAD. OKAY. SO YEAH, I MEAN, EITHER SCOTT OR I CAN PRESENT. WE HAD PUT TOGETHER A FEW SHEETS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF NUMBERS THAT WERE JUST THROWN AROUND IN TERMS OF THE VARIANCE FOR THE POOL. SO WE HAD PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE CHART THAT SHOWED YOU, BUT THE SUMMARY, DEBBIE, YOU KIND OF HAVE ALREADY AND GISELLE HAVE ALREADY COVERED IT, THAT IF THIS HAD BEEN ZONED, THAT THE, THE COMMISSION HAD PASSED AN ORDINANCE A FEW YEARS AGO WHERE THE SETBACK FOR POOLS WAS FIVE FEET. UH, AND I WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF THE BOARD FOR THIS PRESENTATION. HOWEVER, THERE'S A QUIRK IN THE ZONING AND THAT THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE, FOR SOME ODD REASON, IS ZONED RM ONE. SO WE HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF THE BOARD TO REQUEST WHAT IS ACTUALLY MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN WOULD BE ALLOWED IF IT WERE JUST A REGULAR SINGLE FAMILY HISTORICAL HOME, AND WE WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE HERE. SO THAT'S REALLY THE SUMMARY, BUT WE CAN SHOW THE CHART IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE THE ACTUAL NUMBERS. UM, THERE'S A POWERPOINT, UH, SCOTT, SCOTT, UH, THERE'S A LAPTOP ON YOUR LEFT HAND SIDE. UM, IT HAS THE SLIDES ON YOUR LEFT HAND SIDE. THE NEXT PODIUM OVER THE NEXT PODIUM TO YOUR LEFT. OH, YOUR LEFT, YOUR LEFT, YOUR OTHER LEFT. LEMME SEE. AND IT HAS YOUR POWERPOINT LOADED. OKAY. I THINK IT'S COMING UP HERE ANYWAY. OH, WOULD YOU BELIEVE? UH, I DON'T USUALLY DO THESE . UM, WELL, I CAN GO THROUGH IT, SCOTT, IF YOU WANT. SIR, COULD I PLEASE SWEAR YOU IN? OH, SURE. YOU SWEAR? YES. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. THANK YOU. SO IF WE WANNA MOVE TO THE NEXT, UH, SLIDE. OKAY. UH, SO REALLY WE'VE ALREADY COVERED THIS TWO, TWO REQUESTS AND FROM THE BOARD THE TAX EXEMPTION AND THE VARIANCE FOR THE POOL AND NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. UM, SO AS, AS DEBBIE SAID, THIS IS THE PROPERTY TODAY ON THE LEFT, AS YOU SEE. AND WE ARE, I, YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY LOVE THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOME. I, I AM NOT MAKING A SINGLE CHANGE IN TERMS OF THE FRONT FACADE, AND IN FACT, VERY FEW OTHER CHANGES, RETAINING ALL THE WINDOWS AND, AND ET CETERA TO, TO KEEP THE ARCHITECTURAL LOOK INTACT. UM, IT, THERE'S A SLIGHT, UH, INCORRECT PRESENTATION IN, IN THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE NOT ADDING A TWO FLOOR ADDITION. IN FACT, ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS CALLED, UH, IN A BIT OF A PANIC WHEN SHE, WHEN SHE SAW THAT NOTICE. UM, WE ARE ACTUALLY JUST CONNECTING THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. IT'S ALREADY TWO LEVELS, AND WE ARE JUST CONNECTING THE, THE THREE INDIVIDUAL PARTS OF THE HOUSE. IT'S A WEIRD CONSTRUCTION. IT WAS BUILT WITH A FRONT, A MIDDLE, AND A BACK, AND THEY ARE NOT CONNECTED TODAY. SO OUR BIGGEST ARCHITECTURAL CHANGE, WHICH IS NOT CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE, IS TO CONNECT THREE, THREE INDIVIDUAL ELEMENTS OF THE HOUSE INTO ONE SINGLE LIVING SPACE. UM, SO IN CASE THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT POINT IN THE DESCRIPTION, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ADDING TWO, WE'RE NOT ADDING TWO FLOORS TO THE HOUSE. NO. IT, UH, THERE WAS A EXTERIOR WALKWAY BEFORE AND NOW IT'S GONNA BE AN ENCLOSED GLASS BRIDGE. [00:15:01] CORRECT? CORRECT. UM, SO NEXT SLIDE. UM, AGAIN, FOR THE TAX EXEMPTION, I'M NOT SURE WHAT NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD AS, AS DEBBIE MENTIONED, FOR SOME REASON, MIAMI BEACH FRONT LOADS THIS AND REQUIRES THE, UH, MEETING. NOW WHILE MIAMI-DADE WAS THE OTHER PART OF THE TAX EXEMPTION SIMPLY FILES AWAY THIS PART A UNTIL THE ACTUAL TAX EXEMPTION IS GRANTED A YEAR OR TWO FROM NOW WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED. UM, JUST AS A POINT AS A HOMEOWNER, IT'S, IT'S ODD TO HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE THE TWO COUNTIES INVOLVED REQUIRE TWO DIFFERENT PROCESSES, BASICALLY FOR THE SAME TAX EXEMPTION. SO, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A RECENT HOMEOWNER DISCOVERING HOW THE HISTORICAL PROCESS WORKS, THIS IS ONE THAT THE BOARD MAY WANT TO CONSIDER HOW TO ALIGN THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR FUTURE HOMEOWNERS AS YOU LOOK TO TRY TO MAKE THIS PROCESS A LITTLE BIT SMOOTHER FOR, UH, FOR, UH, FUTURE, FUTURE PURCHASES IN TRYING TO RESTORE THESE, UH, BEAUTIFUL HOMES. SO, UM, I GUESS I CAN STOP THERE. ANY, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE TAX EXEMPTION? ANYTHING WE NEED TO COVER FOR, FOR THE APPROVAL? IF, IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND COMPLETE YOUR PRESENTATION. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WE'LL HOLD OUR QUESTIONS OKAY. UNTIL THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY, PERFECT. SO NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS WHERE WE MOVE INTO THE POOL VARIANT. SO THE CURRENT POOL, UM, IS THIS REALLY LARGE IRREGULAR GROTTO STYLE WITH A SPA, ALL THIS STUFF ON IT THAT IS NOT IN ALIGNMENT, IN MY VIEW, ARCHITECTURALLY WITH THE LOOK OF THE HOUSE. SO ON THE RIGHT, YOU SEE, AS DEBBIE MENTIONED, AND GELLE MENTIONED A SIMPLER, UH, MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD POOL THAT'S MORE SCALED TO THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, IS JUST A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF IT NOW. AND IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, HOW ABOUT THE NEXT ONE? UH, SO THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT I HAD MENTIONED. THERE IS AN ORDINANCE ALREADY THAT CREATES A FIVE FOOT POOL SETBACK FOR HOMES LIKE THIS. AND WE REALLY ARE JUST HERE BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR HOME IS ZONED AS AN RM ONE, WHICH DOES NOT FALL UNDER THAT, UH, ALL THAT ORDINANCE. BUT THE, I BELIEVE THE SPIRIT OF THIS ORDINANCE WOULD APPLY TO THE HOME, UH, 100% BECAUSE IT, AS DEBBIE SAID, IT WILL, MY GOAL IS TO MAINTAIN IT AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. UM, AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE IS REALLY WHERE I THINK THE MATH COMES, IS EASIER TO UNDERSTAND. UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING YOU EACH OF THE, EACH OF THE SIDES OF THE HOUSE, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE OUR PROPOSED RELIEF, UM, OUR PROPOSED SIZING IS ACTUALLY IN ALL, ALL CASES, UH, MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN THE FIVE FEET HISTORIC STANDARDS. SO I COULD TECHNICALLY, IF YOU APPROVED IT, GO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER IN THE RELIEF REQUESTED, BUT, UM, IT, IT DOESN'T ALIGN ARCHITECT ARCHITECTURE. WE'RE ALIGNING THE HOUSE, THE POOL WITH THE HOUSE. SO, UH, THAT'S THE SETBACK OF THE POOL THAT YOU'RE SEEING ACTUALLY MATCHES THE SETBACK ON THE SIDE YARDS, UH, PRETTY MUCH WITH, WITH THE HOUSE. UM, SO THAT'S REALLY THE, THE CHART THAT HELPS UNDERSTAND THE, UM, THE RELIEF REQUEST. UM, I THINK THERE IS THERE, THERE MIGHT BE ONE MORE SLIDE. YEAH. OH, AND THIS SHOWS YOU, AGAIN, VISUALLY THE SITE DESIGN CURRENT POOL EXISTING, YEAH, EXISTING POOL. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS THE, UM, THE NEW POOL. SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S REALLY JUST AN ALIGNMENT OF THE HOUSE ARCHITECTURALLY MORE STRAIGHT ALONG THE, THE LINES OF THE, OF THE CURRENT, UM, HOUSE. AND THEN, AND THERE IN CASE YOU'RE INTERESTED, YOU CAN SEE THE NEW BRIDGE THAT, LIKE I SAID, SCOTT MENTIONED IT'S AN OUTDOOR WALKWAY TODAY. UM, BUT IT WILL BE AN ENCLOSED WALKWAY, UM, IN, IN THE FUTURE, HOPEFULLY . YES, IT WILL . OKAY. UM, I THINK THAT'S IT THEN. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, ONE, DO WE HAVE ANY I'M SORRY. YOU HAVE A QUESTION? WELL, I'M JUST, UH, CURIOUS AS TO WHY YOU'VE DECIDED TO ADD A SECOND KITCHEN. OH, IT'S, THAT'S, IT'S OLD. YOU BELIEVE THAT'S BEEN REMOVED? THAT, THAT'S AN OLD, THAT'S AN OLD DRAWING. THAT WAS ABOUT MONTH THAT SUBMITTED RIGHT. ABOUT SIX WEEKS AGO. YEAH, THAT'S AN AND THE, SO, OKAY. YEAH. I'M GONNA BE HEALTHY INSTEAD OF COOK MORE COOKING. YEAH, IT, THAT WAS ACTUALLY BECAUSE THERE WAS A KITCHEN THERE ALREADY, THAT HOUSE IS SET UP WITH AN ENTIRE APARTMENT IN THE BACK WITH A FULL KITCHEN. UM, AND AT THE TIME WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, I'M LIKE, OH, THAT MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE IT NEAR THE POOL. BUT THEN I'VE DECIDED TO BE HEALTHY INSTEAD, AND WE'RE CONVERTING THAT INTO A GYM , SO. OKAY. GOOD AUDIO. AND, AND THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU DECIDED [00:20:01] TO ADD SHUTTERS. MOST PEOPLE WANNA GET RID OF SHUTTERS AND YOU ADDED SHUTTERS TO THE HOUSE. , UH, THERE ARE SHUTTERS ON THE REAR SIDE, REAR END OF THE HOUSE. SO WE'RE USING, WE'RE REFERRING TO THOSE ON THE FRONT END, BUT THEY DIDN'T JUST COME OUT OF THE BLUE. IS THAT THE QUESTION? JUST, JUST, I WAS JUST, I SAW THAT YOU ADDED SHUTTERS THAT WEREN'T THERE INITIALLY, AND I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING. YES. UM, IF THERE'S A, THERE'S A LARGER PRESENTATION THAT SHOWS ALL THE SIDES OF THE HOUSE AND THERE'S SHUTTERS ON THE REAR, SO WE KIND OF ECHOED THAT ON THE FRONT, SO IT INTERESTING. YEAH. BUT WE WANTED TO BASICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I UNFORTUNATELY I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND AN ACTUAL PICTURE OF THAT HOUSE. I'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND A PICTURE OF THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND A LITTLE BIT OF A CORNER OF MY HOUSE. BUT WE ARE REALLY, WE BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE SHUTTERS THERE ORIGINALLY. SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY THE IDEA IS TO TRY TO BRING THAT BACK. AND PERSONALLY, I LIKE, I LIKE THE SHUTTERS, SO. OKAY. WAS CURIOUS. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. OH, GO AHEAD. SORRY, ELIZABETH. NO, GO AHEAD. YEAH, CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THE, UH, FENESTRATION ON THE PRIMARY ELEVATION? LOOKS LIKE WHAT IS EXISTING IS A FIVE LIGHT CASEMENT, AND JUST FROM THE PHOTOS IT, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE REPLACING IT WITH A SINGLE HUNG. UM, WE DEFINITELY ARE TRYING TO ECHO THE, ALL THE, UM, MUONS PER THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS. THERE'S CERTAIN RATIOS THAT ARE BEST FOR THE WINDOWS, BUT WE, I THINK WE HAVE FIVE OR SIX MUONS PER PANEL. OKAY. OR FOUR OR FIVE AT LEAST. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY RENDERING SHOWS. YEAH. IT'S A LITTLE DARK THERE, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S MEANT TO SHOW FOUR ON PAGE NINE. IT JUST, IT JUST READS AS A SINGLE HUNG AS OPPOSED, SORRY ABOUT THAT. TO A, WE HAVE BRONZE GLASS, SO IT, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO READ. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. IF WE HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, DO YOU HAVE ANY BOARD DISCLOSURES? OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY? OKAY. NO ONE ON ZOOM. GO AHEAD. GOOD MORNING. UH, MEG LUAU, MIAMI DESIGN PRESERVATION LEAGUE. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN ON BEHALF OF THE ORGANIZATION IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED RENOVATION OF THIS HISTORIC SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AT 1722 JEFFERSON AVENUE. WE APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S THOUGHTFUL APPROACH TO IMPROVING THE PROPERTY WHILE RESPECTING THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC HOME AND ITS SETTING WITHIN THE PALM VIEW HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE PARTICULARLY SUPPORT THE MORE RESTRAINED DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED POOL AND LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS. AND BELIEVE THE OVERALL PROJECT DEMONSTRATES HOW AN HISTORIC RESIDENCE CAN BE SENSITIVELY UPDATED TO MEET CONTEMPORARY NEEDS WHILE MAINTAINING THE QUALITIES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE THINK THE APPLICANT AND THE DESIGN TEAM FOR THEIR THOUGHTFUL STEWARDSHIP OF THIS HISTORIC PROPERTY AND ENCOURAGE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION. THANK YOU. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY BOARD COMMENT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY. COULD WE HAVE AS TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS? ONE ON THE VARIANCES AND THEN, THEN THE OTHER ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION REGARDING THE TAX EXEMPTION. OKAY. UH, THE VARIANCE FIRST, OF COURSE, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE. SECOND, WHICH OKAY. THE TAX, THE TAX, THE VARIANCE? NO, THE VARIANCE OF THE, THE SETBACK. THE SETBACK. OH, OKAY. DO YOU WANNA, THERE'S TWO VARIANTS FOR THE POOL. SO THE FIRST MOTION WAS BY, UH, MITCH NOVIK AND THE SECOND BY HOWORTH. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. SECOND MOTION IS REGARDING THE AOR EXCEPTION. SECOND. OKAY. THIS IS FOR A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION, CORRECT? YES, CORRECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT JOB. NEXT UP WE [4. HPB26-0693, 1207 LENOX AVENUE.] HAVE HPB 2 6 0 6 9 3 12 0 7 LENNOX AVENUE. YES. ALL RIGHT. THE SECOND ITEM IN THE AGENDA IS HPB 26 DASH 6 93 TOTAL SEVEN LENNOX AVE. AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IN AN AFTER THE FACT VARIANCE TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED REAR YARD LOCK COVERAGE AND REDUCE THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPE OPEN SPACE IN ORDER TO RETAIN THE PREVIOUS PAVERS WITHIN THE REAR YARD OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE, AFTER THE FACT APPROVAL FOR THE PERMEABLE PAVERS, [00:25:01] UH, WITHIN THE REAR YARD IN THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, THE PROPOSED PAVERS WEREN'T INSTALLED, UM, AS A WAY TO PROVIDE PARKING AND ACCESS TO THE REAR YARD SINCE IT CURRENTLY HAS AN ALLEYWAY. UM, THE, THERE'S NO ALTERATIONS OR ADDITIONS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1938 BY ARCHITECT DAVID ELLIS, UH, IN THE MEDITERRANEAN REVIVAL ART DECO TRANSITIONAL CELL OF ARCHITECTURE. THERE ARE TWO VARIANCES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED, SO I'LL READ IT INTO THE RECORD. THE FIRST VARIANCE IS TO REDUCE 40.5% THE MINIMUM REQUIRED REAR YARD LANDSCAPE, OPEN SPACE OF 70% IN ORDER TO PROVIDE REAR YARD, UH, LANDSCAPE OPEN SPACE OF 29.5. THE SECOND ONE IS REGARDING THE LOCK COVERAGE. IT'S TO EXCEED 40.5% OF THE LOCK COVERAGE OF 30% IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A REAR YARD COVERAGE OF 70.5%. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE FLAMINGO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. THERE'S CURRENTLY A FRONT SETBACK OF 50 FEET, WHERE TYPICALLY ONE STORY STRUCTURES ARE REQUIRED 20 FEET PER CODE. THE RETENTION OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCES THE AREA FOR EXTERIOR SITE IMPROVEMENTS. UM, HOWEVER, THE LOCATION OF WHERE THE PAVERS ARE LOCATED IN THE REAR YARD IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE SOLUTION, GIVEN THAT THERE'S LESS IMPACT ON LENNOX AVENUE, AND THERE IS AN ALLEY THAT ALREADY EXISTS. SO THE PARKING WILL, UH, IT WILL PROVIDE ACCESS BY THE ALLEY. NOW, THIS VARIANCES THAT ARE GRANTED AREN'T NECESSARILY A RESULT OF MAXIMIZING ITS POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. UM, WE FEEL THAT IT DOES CREATE, UM, HAVING THE FACT THAT IT RETAINS THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME CREATES THIS PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY WHERE YOU HAVE THE DEEPER SETBACK AND THEREFORE, UM, IT IS HARD TO MEET THE LAW COVERAGE AND THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS SINCE THERE IS SIGNIFICANTLY SET BACK FROM THE FRONT. UM, WE DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THE PAVERS THAT EXTEND TO THE 12TH STREET, WHICH IS THE STREET SIDE, UM, WE DO RECOMMEND THAT IT REDUCES THE OVERALL WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY IN ORDER TO COMPLY PER CODE. AND SO THAT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL VARIANCE. UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE FEEL THAT IT IS JUSTIFIED BY THE UNIQUE CONDITIONS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE MINIMUM RELIEF REASONABLY NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS. AND WITH THAT, WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCES AND THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS. THAT'S ENUMERATING IN THE DROP STAFF ORDER. THANKS, GISELLE. IF I COULD JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT. SO, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. UM, RECENTLY THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION ACTUALLY REFERRED AN ITEM TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR SINGLE FAMILY HOME ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS TO TRY TO SIMPLIFY IT TO TRY TO MAYBE SEE IF THERE'S SOME UNNECESSARY, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS IN THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE NOTED, AND I'M SURE THIS BOARD IS, IS GONNA UNDERSTAND, IS THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES LOCATED WITHIN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IF YOU'RE NOT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO WE PRIMARILY HAVE FLAMINGO PARK AND PALM VIEW AS THE SINGLE FAMILY HISTORIC AREAS. UM, HISTORICALLY, ALL OF THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, HAD A 50 FOOT REQUIRED SEP REQUIRED, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS REQUIRED, BUT THEY WERE ALL PRETTY MUCH CONSTRUCTED 50 FEET BACK FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE. WHEREAS TODAY THE SAME ONE STORY HOME WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE CONSTRUCTED AT 20 FEET. AND MOST OF THEM ARE RIGHT. MOST, UM, NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES DO THE 20, AND IF IT'S A TWO STORY, IT CAN BE SET BACK 30 FEET. UM, BUT THEY USUALLY RE, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE, THE MINIMUM REQUIRED. UM, FOR SOME REASON, HISTORICALLY, THE, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WAS THESE LARGER FRONT SETBACKS. WHAT, WHAT THAT HAS THE EFFECT OF DOING IS IF A HISTORIC HOME WANTS TO BE RETAINED AND PUT ANYTHING IN THE BACK, THEY ALMOST ALWAYS NEED A REAR SETBACK VARIANCE. BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT ONLY REAR SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, WE HAVE ACCESSORY BUILDING REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE WHAT WE CALL LOT COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS IN THE REAR YARD. AND WHAT I'VE SEEN OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS OR SO IS IF I'M, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNER, EITHER IN FLAMINGO, UM, OR PALM VIEW, THEY'RE ALMOST ALWAYS GONNA NEED A VARIANCE IF THEY WANNA PUT SOMETHING IN THE REAR. AND WE ACTUALLY ENCOURAGE ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION TO BE IN THE REAR SO THAT IT DOESN'T BLOCK, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC VIEW OF THE HOME. SO THAT IS ONE THING. UM, THIS, THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GONNA BE LOOKING AT TO PROPOSE MODIFICATIONS TO IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE JUST, WE DO SEE IT AS AN ONEROUS REQUIREMENT FOR, FOR PEOPLE WISHING TO RETAIN HISTORIC SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? YOU MAY. SO WHAT IS TRIGGERING THIS? IS [00:30:01] IT A CODE VIOLATION OR, OR SOMETHING THAT IS LIKE, WHY ARE THEY SUBMITTING THIS APPLICATION IF THIS EXISTS? IT ISN'T AFTER THE FACT, BUT DO YOU KNOW GISELLE, DID THEY RECEIVE A CODE COMPLIANCE VIOLATION? IS THIS SECURE VIOLATION OR HOW WAS IT NOTED THAT, THAT THEY DID THIS WITHOUT PERMITS? I BELIEVE THEY DID RECEIVE A VIOLATION, YES. OKAY. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A FENCE PUT UP THERE IN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS. WAS THAT PROPERLY PERMITTED AND WENT THROUGH ALL THE EXACT, OR IS, IS THAT HOW THIS SUPPOSED TO, WE DO HAVE A CONDITION REGARDING THE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE FIVE FOOT WALL THAT'S WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY OR NO, ON THE BACKSIDE BY THE ALLEY ON THE BACKSIDE. IS IT THE, THE FENCE THAT'S LOCATED RIGHT AT THE REAR PROPERTY LINE? I'M JUST GIVEN THAT WE'RE HERE ON AN AFTER THE FACT. I'M ASKING WHAT THE STATUS IS OF THE FENCE THAT WE ARE AWARE OF. UM, WE'RE NOT SURE NECESSARILY IF IT WAS PERMITTED OR, OR NOT. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO. WE, WE DIDN'T KNOW, HOWEVER, THERE WAS A, A, A FRONT WALL THAT SEEMED TO BE ENCROACHING INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO WE DO HAVE CONDITIONS REGARDING THAT. RIGHT, AND I SAW THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. SO WITH ALL THIS PAVING THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, HOW DOES THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT FOR THE FRONT YARD, SORRY, IS NOT SATISFIED, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO SATISFY THAT REQUIREMENT? THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT IS BEING PROPOSED DOES NOT REQUIRE A, A FULL LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE, THE NUMBER OF TREES AND ET CETERA FOR THAT? NO, NO, I WAS NOT MENTIONING THAT. I WAS JUST REFERRING TO THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR THE, FOR DRAINAGE, NOT NECESSARILY THE PLANTING EVERYTHING, BUT JUST THE PERCENTAGE OF GREEN VERSUS PAVED. SO IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE NOT MEETING THE REQUIREMENT AT ALL. AND DO THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR A VARIANCE ON THAT CASE? CORRECT. THAT IS, THAT IS ONE OF THE VARIANCES. IT IS REQUIRED PER CODE TO HAVE 70% WITHIN THE REAR YARD. CORRECT. AND THEY'RE NOT MEETING THAT AT THE MOMENT. THAT'S PART OF THE VARIANCE, INCLUDING THE LOCK COVERAGE, BUT, UM, NOT THE FRONT YARD. JUST WANTED TO VERIFY, IS THE APPLICANT HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? IS THE APPLICANT IN PERSON OR THROUGH ZOOM? IS THE APPLICANT ON ZOOM? IF YOU ARE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. YES. OKAY. SO I SEE, UM, I SEE THE MOTION. ARE YOU HERE? YES. HEY, GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. THANK YOU. UM, IF YOU COULD PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE YOU START THE, UM, THE PRESENTATION. YEAH, MOSHI SKO, UH, 1207 LENNOX AVENUE, MIAMI BEACH, FLORIDA 3, 3, 1 3 9. I'M REPRESENTING MY MOTHER, UH, FOR THIS. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD MR. KO. UH, YEAH, WERE THERE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAD FOR ME OR, OR, UM, ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO ASK? UM, THE, THE REAL IDEA, I GUESS MAYBE JUST GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON, ON WHY WE ARE PUTTING THESE PAVERS IN THE BACK OVER HERE. AND SOMEBODY MENTIONED THE FENCE AS WELL. UM, UH, MY DAD HAD PASSED A FEW YEARS BACK AND MY MOM IS LIVING ALONE NOW. UM, IN THAT AREA OF MIAMI BEACH, THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS OR TWO AND A HALF YEARS, UM, A LOT OF VACANT HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN BRINGING IN VAGRANTS AND, UH, OTHER ISSUES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES WITH, UH, KIDS THAT HAVE BEEN RUNNING AROUND KNOCKING ON DOORS AND BREAKING DOORS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO, UH, THIS IS REALLY MOSTLY ALL JUST TO, AS A SAFETY AND SECURITY FOR MY MOTHER AS WELL AS WHEN WE COME OVER, UH, TO VISIT HER, WHICH WE'RE DOING A LOT MORE OFTEN NOW, WE SHOULD HAVE SOMEWHERE TO PARK, UM, SAFELY NEXT TO THE HOME, WITHIN THE HOME. UM, THAT WAS REALLY THE IDEA BEHIND THIS. UM, AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE THE PAPER IN FRONT OF YOU THAT I'VE SUBMITTED, UH, TO GISELLE. UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO IN ORDER TO HAVE THESE PAVERS, UH, APPROVED IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD LEAVE OUR FRONT, UH, FRONT YARD COMPLETELY, UH, LANDSCAPED WITHOUT CHANGING ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FUTURE. UM, BEING THAT IT IS SO, SO LARGE WITH A 50 FOOT SETBACK, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD KIND OF SATISFY, UH, OR GET CLOSE TO SATISFYING THE, THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR, FOR THE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. . DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM THE BOARD? NO. ANY BOARD DISCLOSURES? OKAY, WE WANNA OPEN [00:35:01] PUBLIC HEARING. COME ON UP. MEG. MEG LITO, MDPL. WE ARE HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION APPLICANT'S APPROACH AT 1207 LENNOX AVENUE. WE ARE PARTICULARLY PLEASED THAT THE APPLICANT HAS CHOSEN TO LOCATE THE PROPOSED PAVERS AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY RATHER THAN IN A MORE VISIBLE LOCATION. THIS APPROACH BETTER PRESERVES THE HISTORIC CHARACTER AND LANDSCAPED APPEARANCE OF THE PROPERTY IS VIEWED FROM THE PRIMARY PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. WE THANK THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR HER CONSIDERATION AND WILLINGNESS TO PURSUE A SOLUTION THAT ACCOMMODATES HER NEEDS OR REMAINING SENSITIVE TO THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANKS. THANK YOU, MEG. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? NO. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE IT FORWARD WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION PER THE CONDITIONS. IS IT ONE VARIANCE? AND THIS WOULD BE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS A MOTION TO APPROVE, MOTION TO APPROVE FOR THE, UH, PERMEABILITY VARIANCE OF THE, UH, PERMEABILITY REQUIREMENTS. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. UM, OUR NEXT ITEM, HEB 26 0 6 92. 1 41 1 45 SOUTHSHORE? YES. UM, THE NEXT ITEM IN THE AGENDA IS H THREE [5. HPB26-0692, 141–145 SOUTH SHORE DRIVE.] B 26 SLASH 0 6 92 1 41 DASH 1 45 SOUTH SHORE DRIVE, NORMANDY CONDOMINIUMS. AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FOUND REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE DEMOLITION OF TWO EXISTING ONE-STORY CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WITHIN THE NORMANDY OWLS LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW FOUR-STORY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING TOGETHER WITH A WAIVER FROM THE MINIMUM UNDER STORY HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. IF YOU RECALL, THIS ITEM WAS BEFORE THE BOARD, UM, IN JULY. THEY MADE RECENT UPDATES, UM, WHICH WE RECEIVED REVISED PLANS ON OCTOBER 7TH. UH, IT DOES INTRODUCE A CUSTOM GEOMETRIC BREEZE BLOCK SCREEN AT THE UNDERSTORY, TRUE PROJECTING TYROSINE CLAD PIERS ON THE PRIMARY ELEVATION, WHICH ALSO FEATURES THE SCREEN. THERE'S BRONZE, ALUMINUM, WINDOWS, AND RAILINGS THAT ARE DESIGNED IN A MID-CENTURY MODERN PROFILE, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED IN THE BOARD. THE ENTRANCE INCLUDES A RECESS CENTRALLY LOCATED GLAZE LOBBY BENEATH THE PLANTED TERRACE. UM, THE LOBBY IS WIDEN, UM, CENTRAL STAIRCASE FROM A FRONT PORCH THAT EXTENDS ACROSS THE FRONTAGE. CONTINUOUS SAGE GREEN EYEBROWS ARE PRESENTED AT EACH LEVEL, WHICH LACKED IN THE PREVIOUS DESIGN. UH, STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE REVISED DESIGN DID RESPOND TO THE BOARD'S DIRECTION. UM, THE BOARD MEMBERS DID EXPRESS CONCERNS WITH THE BALCONY PROJECTIONS INTO THEIR REQUIRED SITE SETBACK SHOWN IN THE PLANS. THIS REVISED SET PROJECTING BALCONIES AT THE SECOND LEVEL REPLACES THE PROJECTING BALCONIES AT THE THIRD AND FOURTH LEVEL WITH THE JULIET BALCONIES. UH, STAFF CONTINUES TO RECOMMEND THAT ALL BALCONIES BE DESIGNED IN A MATTER TO ALLOW THE USABLE OUTDOOR SPACE AS IT IS A REQUIREMENT, UH, THAT THEY MEET THIS COURTYARD WITHIN THE CENTRAL, UH, OF THE BUILDING. UM, STAFF WOULD SUPPORT THE ENLARGEMENT OF THESE UPPER LEVEL BALCONIES, THEREFORE RECOMMENDS THAT THE UPPER LEVEL BALCONIES BE EXPANDED BEYOND WHAT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED AND A CONDITION TO, UH, THE EFFECT THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE ATTACHED ORDER. UM, WE ALSO WANNA REITERATE THAT THEY ARE APPLYING FOR A WAIVER OF THE CLEARANCE OF THE UNDERSTORY FROM BASE ELEVATION, PLUS A MINIMUM OF ONE FOOT OF FREEBOARD TO THE UNDERSIDE OF THE FIRST SLAB. UM, WE ARE SUPPORTIVE, UH, THE PROPOSED ELEVATION SPACES AT THE UNDERSTORY. UM, IT CAN FUNCTION AS, YOU KNOW, THE ENTRANCE VESTIBULE WITH STAIRS, ELEVATOR, BICYCLE BAR, UH, PARKING, AND CAN FUN. IT CAN'T NECESSARILY FUNCTION WITHIN THE LOWER HEIGHT, UM, IN THE EVENT THAT IT RAISES THE ADJACENT GRADES AND BECOMES NECESSARY IN THE FUTURE. AND WITH THAT, UH, WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS, INCLUDING THE WAIVER. I'LL HAND IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT. UM, YOU WERE, AND YOU WERE SWORN IN ALREADY EARLIER? YES. OKAY. YES, I WAS HERE. JUST GIVE US ONE THING, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, SORRY. OKAY, GO AHEAD. THE, THE RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THE BALCONY IS H HOW FAR ARE YOU, IS IT 25% INTO THE REQUIRED SETBACK THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING WITHIN THE YARD? UM, SORRY. YES. UH, THE COACHES REQUIRE WITHIN THE SIDE YARD THAT THE MAXIMUM PROJECTION IS NO MORE THAN 25%. OKAY. SO IT'S 10 FEET, SO ANOTHER TWO AND A HALF FEET. CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY. IF NO OTHER QUESTIONS GO AHEAD. SO, GOOD MORNING GUYS. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US AGAIN. MORNING. SO, UH, MY NAME IS EDDIE SEYMOUR. I'M THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD. UH, SO OBVIOUSLY WE WERE HERE ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO AND WE RECEIVED YOUR COMMENTS. UH, WE WROTE THEM ALL DOWN AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE ADDRESSED THEM. SO LEMME JUST GO THROUGH THEM VERY QUICKLY. [00:40:01] UH, THE FIRST ONE WAS, AND IF I CAN JUST SCROLL DOWN, THE FIRST ONE WAS TO WIDEN THE FRONT ENTRANCE. UH, WHEREAS BEFORE WE HAD A VERY NARROW, UH, I THINK IT WAS MAYBE LIKE FOUR FEET WIDE. WE'VE MADE IT NOW OVER 10 FEET WIDE AT THE FRONT. UH, SO WE WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT, UH, THAT COMMENT THERE AS WELL. AND WE'RE SHOWING THIS FRONT, UH, RENDERING HERE, WHICH SHOWS YOU THAT CHANGE THAT WE MADE. ANOTHER COMMENT WAS THE, THE FRONT STORE, UH, STOREFRONT PANELS, WHICH WERE BEFORE I BELIEVE ABOUT THREE AND A HALF OR FOUR FEET WIDE, WE NOW MADE EACH ONE OF THEM FIVE FEET WIDE. SO WE TRIED TO, UH, REDUCE THE CLUTTER IN THAT FRONT, UH, ENTRANCE. UH, WE ALSO EXTENDED A CANOPY, WHEREAS BEFORE WE HAD NO CANOPY OVER THE FRONT ENTRY. WE NOW EXTENDED THAT, AND YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER ON THIS VIEW HERE. WE EXTENDED THAT FRONT CANOPY TO, UH, PROVIDE, UM, PROTECTION FROM THE ELEMENTS AND ALSO MORE CLEARLY DEFINED THE, THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE MAIN COMMENTS THAT WE HAD LAST TIME. UH, WE ALSO REDESIGNED THE RAILINGS. UH, THAT WAS A BIG, UH, ONE OF THE BIG, UH, COMMENTS THAT WE HAD AT THE LAST MEETING. THE RAILINGS DID NOT REALLY MEET THE, THE AESTHETIC OF THE MID-CENTURY MODERN. SO WE ACTUALLY, UH, I GOT A, A, UH, REAL LIFE SAMPLE FOR YOU HERE, WHICH, WHICH IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. SO, SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE THAT WE, UH, TOOK OUR TIME TO REALLY TRY TO MAKE IT, UH, FIT MORE OF THAT MID CENTURY DESIGN STYLE. AND, UH, WE IMPLEMENTED THAT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE BUILDING AS WELL. ANOTHER ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD WAS THE, THE GLAZING. THE GLAZING IN THE PREVIOUS RENDERINGS WAS TOO DARK. AND, UH, I BELIEVE SEVERAL OF YOU GUYS POINTED THAT OUT. SO WE CHANGED THE COLOR ON THE WINDOWS AND MADE THEM MORE, MORE OF A CLEAR GLASS INSTEAD OF A DARKER TINT, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAD BEFORE. WE ALSO REDESIGNED THE LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT A LITTLE BIT. WHEREAS BEFORE WE HAD A STEP TIER OF PLANTERS. NOW WE HAVE MORE OF A, UH, UH, SLOPE, UH, THAT THAT GOES UP TO THE FRONT PORCH, WHICH, UH, I BELIEVE THAT ALSO LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN BEFORE. AND IT MAKES IT, UH, APPEAR MORE USER FRIENDLY, UH, AND MORE COHESIVE WITH THE OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, WE ALSO, ANOTHER ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS THE, THE STAIRWELLS THAT WE HAVE IN THE FRONT. UH, IT SEEMED LIKE, UH, THEY WERE AN, AN AFTERTHOUGHT. THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMETS. SO WE DECIDED TO COMPLETELY, UH, CHANGE THE MATERIAL THAT WE'RE APPLYING TO THOSE STAIRWELLS. WHEREAS NOW WE HAVE A, WE'RE PROPOSING TO USE MORE OF A NATURAL LEDGERS, UH, PATTERN STONE, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, A SAMPLE OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE DOWN HERE ON THE FLOOR, AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE IT IN THE RENDERINGS AS WELL. AND TO ADD TO THAT, WE ALSO CHANGED THE, THE STONE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE BASE, UH, ON THE GROUND FLOOR. WE ARE PROPOSING A TRAP ROUTINE STONE. WE ALSO HAVE A SAMPLE OF THAT ON THE FLOOR AS WELL. AND YOU CAN SEE IT HERE ON THE RENDERINGS WHERE IT WRAPS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BASE, UH, GROUND FLOOR OF THE BUILDING. UH, ONE OF THE OTHER COMMENTS WAS, UM, THE SIDE BALCONIES, WHICH WERE ENCROACHING UP TO 25% IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. UM, IN ORDER TO, UH, MEET, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THAT COMMENT, WE DECIDED TO REDUCE ALL THE SIDE BALCONIES TO JUST BE JULIET BALCONIES AND NOT ENCROACH INTO THAT, UH, 25%, UH, SETBACK, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT BY, BY THE, UH, BY THE RULES, BY THE CODE. WE DECIDED TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE ON THE RENDERING WHERE THE, THE BALCONIES ON THE SIDE ARE, ARE NOT ENCROACHING INTO THAT, UM, INTO THE SETBACK. UH, ONE OF THE OTHER COMMENTS WAS, WELL, AND OVERALL COMMENT WAS THAT THE PREVIOUS DESIGN DID NOT REALLY MEET THE MID-CENTURY MODERN AESTHETIC. UH, IT SEEMED TO BE CLUTTERED AND, AND MORE OF A GENERIC DESIGN. SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, WE PROVIDED, UH, VARIOUS RENDERINGS, UH, DURING DAYTIME, NIGHTTIME, AND FROM VARIOUS ANGLES TO, UM, TRY TO MAKE OUR CASE FOR HOW WE ADDRESS THAT, THAT COMMENT. WE TRY TO COME UP WITH A, A VISION THAT IS, UM, A LOT MORE, UH, UM, SOOTHING TO THE MID-CENTURY, UH, MODERN DESIGN STYLE. WE INCORPORATED CURVED EYEBROWS. UH, WE ALSO A AROUND THE, THE FACADES, WHICH IS VERY TYPICAL OF THAT STYLE. UH, WE ALSO IMPLEMENTED A DIFFERENT COLOR PALETTE, UH, WHEREAS BEFORE WE HAD, UH, COLORS THAT YOU GUYS REALLY DID NOT LIKE AT ALL. WE, WE DID, UH, A LOT OF RESEARCH AND, UH, TRIED TO COME UP WITH COLORS THAT WE FELT WERE A LOT BETTER SUITED FOR THAT STYLE. SO, [00:45:01] FOR EXAMPLE, THE EYEBROWS ARE ACCENTUATED WITH A, A SAGE GREEN COLOR, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE RENDERINGS. UH, I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THEY'RE CURVED AT THE EDGES. UH, AND WE ALSO TRIED TO ACCENTUATE, UH, THE RAILINGS ON THE FRONT PORCH AS WELL IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT REALLY A FEATURE OF THE BUILDING. UH, WE ALSO WENT BACK AND REDESIGNED THE BREEZE BLOCK PATTERN, UH, TO SOMETHING THAT WE BELIEVE IS A LOT MORE FITTING OF THAT, UH, OF THAT ERA. AND HERE WE, WE ALSO PUT TOGETHER A MATERIAL BOARD WHERE WE BASICALLY TRY TO DESCRIBE ALL THE DIFFERENT MATERIALS THAT WE APPLY TO THE BUILDING. UH, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE'RE APPLYING TRAVERTINE ON THE GROUND FLOOR. UH, WE HAVE THE, THE LEDGER LIMESTONE PATTERN ON THE STAIRWELLS. WE HAVE THE, THE BREEZE BLOCK PATTERN ON THE STAIRWELL FRONT AND ALSO ON THE SIDE OF THE GARAGE, UH, THE, THE SAGE GREEN, WHICH I MENTIONED, THE RAILING PATTERNS. AND ALSO, UH, THE, THE VEGETATION THAT'S, UH, COMING OVER THE EDGE OF THE CANOPY THERE IN THE FRONT IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, A, A MUCH BETTER, UH, FIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I, I KNOW THERE'S SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALSO IMPLEMENTED THAT, THAT ARE BEING DONE, UH, CURRENTLY. UH, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS A VERY GOOD APPROACH. SO WE, WE WANTED TO IMPLEMENT MORE VEGETATION INTO THIS BUILDING AS WELL. AND I BELIEVE THAT COVERS ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOU HAD LAST TIME. SO I'LL, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM THE BOARD? RAY, I I, I JUST WANNA COMMENT, YOU DID A GREAT JOB. YOU TOOK ALL OF OUR COMMENTS AND YOU BROUGHT BACK A PROJECT THAT I THINK IS AMAZING. UM, AND WOULD, WOULD BE A PLACE THAT I WOULDN'T MIND LIVING IN . I MEAN, REALLY, IT'S VERY NICE, UH, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ON THAT. THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE PARKING IS I WANNA KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA DETERMINE WHO GETS THE TANDEM PARKING SPACES. , ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO ECHO RAY'S COMMENTS. YOU REALLY, UH, RETURNED WITH A, UH, GREATLY IMPROVED, UH, DESIGN. I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE CURVA LINEAR EYEBROWS. I WAS THINKING THEY SHOULD BE RECTAL LINEAR. I THINK IT MIGHT ADD A LITTLE MORE, UH, CLICHE TO YOUR, UH, PROJECT. AND HAVE YOU DISCUSSED THAT WITH YOUR CLIENTS? SO WE, WE, WE HAVEN'T, BUT UH, WE CAN DEFINITELY HAVE AN ITERATION OF THAT WITH THE CORRECT LINEAR EYEBROWS TO SEE HOW THAT WOULD LOOK. THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. WE CAN DEFINITELY PROVIDE THAT. MM-HMM . YEAH. UH, OKAY. THAT'S IT. OKAY, NICK, NO, NO QUESTIONS. I'LL SEND MY COMMENTS FOR THE . OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, NICK. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY BOARD DISCLOSURES? NO. OKAY. SO WE CAN OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. NICK, COME ON UP. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON ZOOM? UH, PJ CAN YOU PROMOTE ME AS A PANELIST ON ZOOM ? GO AHEAD, MEG. GOOD MORNING. MEG LUAU, MDPL. UM, WE APPRECIATE THE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS IN THE REVISED DESIGN FOR 1 41 45 SOUTH SHORE DRIVE AND THE FACT THAT THE ARCHITECT INCORPORATED MANY OF THE PUBLIC AND BOARD COMMENTS FROM THE JULY HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING. WE BELIEVE THE NEW PROPOSAL IS MUCH MORE RESPONSIVE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF NORMANDY ISLES, AND WE PARTICULARLY APPRECIATE THE PROJECT'S MID-CENTURY MODERN VOCABULARY STEPPED MASSING, OPEN AIR COURTYARD AND INCREASED ATTENTION TO LANDSCAPING AND OPEN SPACE. ONE AREA WE BELIEVE COULD BENEFIT FROM A BIT MORE REFINEMENT IS THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ENTRANCE WHERE THE BUILDING SIGNAGE IS PROPOSED. IN CONTRAST TO THE LANDSCAPING ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL FOUND ELSEWHERE IN THE PROJECT, THIS AREA FEELS A LITTLE STARK AND UNRESOLVED. WE ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES TO SOFTEN AND BETTER INTEGRATE THIS PORTION OF THE FRONTAGE INTO THE OVERALL DESIGN. ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, A WATER FEATURE OR ANOTHER LANDSCAPER ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT COULD PROVIDE VISUAL INTEREST AND BALANCE WHILE CREATING A MORE WELCOMING TRANSITION INTO THE PROPERTY. WE BELIEVE RELATIVELY MODEST CHANGES HERE CAN MAKE THE AREA FEEL MORE INTENTIONAL AND CONSISTENT WITH THE QUALITY OF THE REST OF THE DESIGN IN THE BIGGER PICTURE. UM, THIS APPLICATION DOES RAISE A BROADER PRESERVATION CONCERN. THE PROPOSAL INVOLVES A DEMOLITION OF TWO CONTRIBUTING 1953 MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS IN THEIR REPLACEMENT. WITH THE NEW 14 UNIT DEVELOPMENT. AS OUR CITY CONTINUES TO FACE INCREASING DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE, MDPL BELIEVES PRESERVATION SHOULD INCLUDE CONSIDERATION OF NOT ONLY HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE, BUT ALSO THE CITY'S NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SMALLER, OLDER MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS HAVE HISTORICALLY PROVIDED AN IMPORTANT SOURCE OF ORGANICALLY ATTAINABLE HOUSING IN MIAMI BEACH. THEIR INCREMENTAL LAWS CAN AFFECT BOTH THE PHYSICAL CHARACTER OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SOCIOECONOMIC DIVERSITY OF OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. WE ENCOURAGE THE BOARD STAFF AND APPLICANT TO CONSIDER CONTINUING, UM, OPPORTUNITIES TO PRESERVE EXISTING BUILDINGS ARE FEASIBLE AND WHEN DEMOLITION IS UNAVOIDABLE TO RECOGNIZE THE LOSS OF NATURALLY AFFORDABLE, NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE BROADER CONVERSATION. BUT OVERALL, AND DPL SUPPORTS THE REVISED DESIGN AND THANKS THE APPLICANT AND [00:50:01] DESIGN TEAM FOR RESPONDING THOUGHTFULLY TO PREVIOUS CONCERNS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, WERE YOU ABLE TO GET PROMOTED, MICHAEL? UH, YES. AND THERE'S NOBODY WITH THEIR HAND RAISED ON ZOOM. OKAY, WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. UM, BOARD COMMENTARY, GO AHEAD. I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU, YOU CAN ASK YOUR QUESTION. GO AHEAD. IS THERE ANY REASON WHY YOU'RE NOT ADDING MIKE, PLEASE? SORRY. I'M SORRY. IS THERE ANY REASON WHY YOU'RE NOT ADDING ANY TREES ON THE STREETSCAPE THAT'S FACING SOUTH? THAT'S GONNA BE VERY HOT. UM, SO CURRENTLY THERE, THERE ARE EXISTING TREES ON THAT, UH, SIDE. LET ME, I KNOW FOR THE RENDERING YOU PROBABLY KEEP 'EM OFF BECAUSE SHOWS THE BUILDING, BUT EXACTLY, YEAH, BECAUSE THERE IS AN EXISTING TREE THERE. I WISH I HAD AN IMAGE TO SHOW YOU, BUT RIGHT IN FRONT, MORE OR LESS, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, THERE IS AN EXISTING TREE. SO WE FIGURED THAT WOULD BE PROVIDE ENOUGH, UH, SHADE ALONG BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE SIDEWALK. THE SIDEWALK OR THE ROAD LIKE YEAH, LIKE YOU, YOU SEE WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS HERE, IT'S NOT EXACTLY IN THE CENTER, BUT IT'S NEAR THE, THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY. IF YOU'D LIKE, YOU CAN USE THE MOUSE CURSOR ON THE COMPUTER. THAT MIGHT BE EASIER. LEMME SEE. I WANNA BE ABLE TO BRING IT UP SO YOU CAN SEE IT, UH, BETTER. I, I JUST DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON THE EXISTING PHOTOS THAT SHOWED THE LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT. GOT IT. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY, UH, IMPLEMENT. OKAY. UH, WE, WE CAN, UH, HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO PROVIDE MORE TREES IN THE FRONT AND WE CAN PROVIDE THE UPDATED RENDERING AS WELL TO SHOW THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. CAN I PIGGYBACK ON THAT A LITTLE? IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY STREET TREE REQUIREMENTS STAFF WHEN THEY SEEK A PERMIT FOR THIS? YES. YES THERE ARE. OKAY, SO THEY WOULD YEAH. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO EXACTLY, EXACTLY. UM, IT'LL BE REVIEWED AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT. THEY'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE STREET TREES. OKAY. I I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS AND A QUESTION ONE, UM, I I THINK THE FRONT LOOKS VERY NICE. UM, I HAVE MORE ISSUES WITH THE SIDES. UH, I, I APPRECIATE YOU RESPONDING TO THE BALCONIES, BUT I AGREE WITH STAFF. I THINK HAVING AN UNINHABITABLE BALCONY JUST LOOKS LIKE A, A DECORATIVE THING. SO I, I MEAN, AND I RESPECT STAFF'S, UH, THE, THE REST OF THE BOARD'S COMMENTS TO EXPLORE THIS OPTION. BUT I FEEL LIKE A DEEPER OVERHANG IS GONNA HELP BREAK UP THE MASSING OF THAT. IT LOOKS A LITTLE GOLF COURSEY AND IT MIGHT JUST BE THE, THE WAY THAT THE RENDERINGS ARE DONE WITHOUT ANY CONTEXT. SO, UM, I, I SEE THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, OPEN THAT UP FOR BOARD CONVERSATION WITH MY COLLEAGUES HERE. BUT A QUICK QUESTION. IT DOES LOOK LIKE THIS HOUSE EXISTS ON ITS OWN IN THE LANDSCAPE. WHAT IS THE CONTEXT? LIKE WHAT IS NEXT TO THIS? SO NEXT TO THIS BUILDING, THERE ARE TWO, TWO STORY BUILDINGS AND I CAN GO BACK AND SHOW YOU. UM, SO HERE WE HAVE THE IMAGES SHOWING THE CONTEXT. IF YOU LOOK HERE, UH, I HAVE THE CURSOR NOW THAT IS THE BUILDING THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE RIGHT SIDE, WHICH IS A TWO STORY BUILDING. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS I GUESS THAT LOCATION MAP. BOTTOM RIGHT. THAT THAT'S IT, THE BOTTOM RIGHT? YEAH. YOU SEE WHERE I HAVE THE CURSOR GO TO THE OTHER SIDE ON THE BOTTOM? YEAH. IS THAT'S WHERE YOUR PROJECT WILL BE? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT IS OUR SITE. AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE YOU HAVE A TWO STORE BUILDING AND SAME THING ON THE LEFT. OKAY. AND THEN NICK, IF YOU RECALL, UM, WE HAD THE PRESENTATION FOR THE, AFTER THE FACT, UM, COA FOR THE FPL AND THE, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT THAT, UH, NEESON BROUGHT BEFORE US LA WELL, A MONTH BEFORE LAST, I GUESS. AND THAT'S, I THINK TWO DOORS DOWN. YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE, UM, YEAH, THE TOP LEFT. THAT BLUE AND WHITE. YEAH, RIGHT THERE. UM, JUST, I, I REMEMBER LAST MONTH HAVING THE SAME QUESTION, BUT H HAVING HAD THAT PRESENT OR LAST TIME HAVING HAD THAT PRESENTATION RIGHT THEN AND THERE, I COULD SEE THE CONTEXT. BUT WITHOUT THAT, AND ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S SUCH A NEW BUILDING, IT'S, I THINK IT'S SITTING IN THAT EMPTY LOT RIGHT THERE. UM, YEAH, I'M NOT MISTAKEN. I ALSO WANNA MENTION DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF US THERE'S THIS, UH, SIX STORY BUILDING RIGHT HERE. YEAH. JUST IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THESE RENDERINGS TO SEE LIKE HOW THIS, 'CAUSE THIS APPEARS MUCH BIGGER THAN THE BUILDINGS NEXT TO IT, I THINK. IS THAT RIGHT? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE LIKE A, A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE CONTEXT. YEAH, THE, THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS TALLER, UH, BUT WE ARE GOING UP TO 40 FEET, WHICH IS THE, THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED. UM, I BELIEVE THE OTHER TWO STORY BUILDINGS ARE AROUND 20, 25 FEET TALL. YOU ALSO DO HAVE THAT STEP BACK AT THE FRONT, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE TWO STORIES ABOVE [00:55:01] THE PARKING AT THE FRONT AND THEN IT STEPS BACK WITH A ADDITIONAL SETBACK FOR THE CORRECT. YES. THANK YOU. NO MORE COMMENT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT OR ACTUALLY IT'S BOARD COMMENTARY REALLY, UM, DISCUSSION? NO, IF I MAY JUST WANNA MAKE LIKE ONE, TWO GENERAL COMMENTS THAT, UM, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ADDRESSED ONLY TO YOU, BUT IN GENERAL, I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A, THE SURROUNDINGS OF A BUILDING RENDERING, THEY EITHER NEED TO BE SOMEWHAT ACCURATE OR MAYBE NOT HAVE THEM AT ALL. BECAUSE IT'S VERY MISLEADING TO SEE THIS BUILDING SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS VERY LARGE LAWN AREA, WHICH IS NOT ACCURATE AT ALL. SO I WOULD PREFER NOT SEEING ANYTHING THAN SEEING SOMETHING THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE REALITY. AND THE OTHER GENERAL COMMENTS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF WHEN YOU, UM, YOU BRING BACK A NEW DESIGN TO HAVE AT LEAST SOME REFERENCE OF THE OLD DESIGN. SO TO HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH THE DRAWING HAS IMPROVED. SO WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT YOU GUYS HIT IT THE LAST ONE SO MUCH THAT WE FIGURED IT WORKED. , , NO, BUT I THINK YOU, I'M GLAD THAT YOU HAD THE OLD ONE HERE SO WE COULD COMPARE AND SEE HOW MUCH BETTER THE DESIGN BECAME. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS IN IMPROVING THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AND I THINK IT LOOKS REALLY NICE NOW. AND I AGREE WITH NICK THAT WILL BE GOOD. I THINK TO BRING THE, THE DEEPER BALCONIES ON THE SIDE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAD A CONVERSATION IN THE LAST MEETING OF NOT ENCROACHING THE SIDE BACK IN THE SIDE, UM, SETBACK, BUT I THINK IT'LL BE MUCH BETTER FOR THE UNITS AND THE TOTAL OVERALL LOOKING TO HAVE THE DEEPER BALCONIES THERE. OKAY. SO IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I BELIEVE IT WAS MR. HASKELL WHO HAD THAT COMMENT AND HE SAID HE WOULD NEVER SUPPORT THE PROJECT AS LONG AS THE BALCONIES WERE ENCROACHING INTO THE 25%. SO THAT'S WHY WE, WE TOOK THAT COMMENT SO TO HEART, AND WE MADE THE CHANGES. SO I DON'T KNOW IF SHE STILL FEELS THAT WAY OR IF HE'S WILLING TO, I DUNNO THAT WE CAN SPEAK TO HASKELL. HE'S NOT HERE. HE'S NOT HERE. SO IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENTARY. OKAY, SO, UM, ELIZABETH STOLE MY THUNDER. I WAS GOING TO SAY, AND THIS IS NOT A CRITIQUE BY ANY MEANS, BUT MORE KIND OF A RECOMMENDATION FOR ANYBODY WHO COMES BEFORE US, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE PRESENTING LIKE SIDE BY SIDE, BECAUSE I PULLED IT UP BECAUSE I HAD A VAGUE RECOLLECTION OF IT. BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE STEPS THAT YOU TOOK TO TAKE THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GAVE INTO CONSIDERATION AND COME BACK WITH WHAT I THINK IS A MUCH, UM, LIKE IT IS, IT'S JUST A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. UM, AND SO I THINK, UM, UH, SO I, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE EVEN MORE STARK IF WE SAW THEM SIDE BY SIDE. UM, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS DOING OVER HERE. I PULLED UP THE, UH, AGENDA ONLINE, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT ELIZABETH WAS LOOKING AT. UM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF THE COMMENTS. UM, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A REALLY WONDERFUL JOB HERE. UM, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT MDPL WAS SUGGESTING REGARDING THE, UH, LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. UM, HOWEVER I WAS LOOKING AT THE SIGN AND HAD, I DUNNO, A FEELING ABOUT IT THAT SOMETHING COULD BE DIFFERENT. UM, SO, UH, WHATEVER THAT IS, IT'S NOT SOMETHING NECESSARILY THAT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA DICTATE IN OUR ORDER TODAY. UM, BUT SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, UM, AS YOU MOVE FORWARD. UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUICK FOLLOW UP ABOUT THE SIGN? OF COURSE. I KNOW I NOTICED ONE OF THE OTHER APPLICATIONS BEFORE US. IS THIS SIGN MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SIZE AND PROPORTION? IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT, YEAH. OKAY. AND IS, IS THAT SORT OF TIED TO THE DESIGN THAT WE APPROVE HERE? NO, NO. THE THE SIGN IS, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT ASKING, NOT ASKING FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPROVAL FOR THE SIGN TODAY. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD LOCATION SINCE IT'S A BLANK WALL. SO WE'LL TAKE THAT UNDER, UM, CONSIDERATION WHEN THEY COME IN FOR THE SIGN PERMIT. AND DO WE NEED JUST ONE MOTION FOR THIS? YES. BECAUSE THERE'S NO VARIANCES. SO, UM, ONE MOTION CAN INCLUDE, UM, THE WAIVER AS WELL AS THE DEMOLITION. AND THEN ALSO, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. SO WE DID MENTION, MENTION THE, UM, THE BALCONIES AND THE STAFF REPORT IN TERMS OF ALLOWING MORE PROJECTION. WE DID NOT INCLUDE THAT IN THE FINAL ORDER. SO IF ANYBODY MAKES THE MOTION AND WANTS TO INCLUDE THOSE BALCONIES WITH THE GREATER ALLOWANCE, PLEASE INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR MOTION. DOES THE ALLOWANCE FOR THE GREATER BALCONIES, ASSUMING THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO SUGGEST THAT, DOES THAT REQUIRE ANY SORT OF VARIANCE OR IS IT JUST SO, JUST WANTED TO CHECK THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO GO TO THE ALLOWABLE 25% PROJECTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST DON TOO. SO I THINK IT, UH, TO HELP MITIGATE THAT IN THOSE AREAS WHERE THEY HAVE THE BALCONIES, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, MORE OF A RECESS WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING A SLIGHTLY, SLIGHTLY SETBACK MORE, MORE, AND THE, THE CODE REQUIREMENTS. SO IT'S, UM, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE BUILDING A STRAIGHT LINE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEN EXTENDING INTO THAT FURTHER, IT'S, IT'S MITIGATED BY THE ADDITIONAL SETBACK AND THE SHAPE [01:00:01] OF THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A MOTION OR YOU HAVE QUESTION? YEAH, I, I, I, I AGREE. I BELIEVE THOSE BALCONIES SHOULD HAVE GREATER DEPTH. UH, PERHAPS WE SHOULD DISCUSS THAT. DOES, DO MY COLLEAGUES FEEL THE SAME? I DO. YEAH. I AGREE. I AGREE. DO WE WANT TO DISCUSS THE, UH, CHARACTERISTICS OF THE EYEBROWS? AGAIN, I, I LOOKED AT THIS AND I, I THOUGHT THE PROJECT WOULD BE MORE EXPRESSIVE WITH SOMETHING, UH, WITH STRAIGHT PLANES AS, AS OPPOSED TO THAT CURVA LINEAR, UH, DESIGN. I'M OF THE OPINION PERSONALLY, LIKE THE EYEBROWS THE WAY THEY ARE, BUT I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO LISTEN TWITTER. I LIKE THEM AS, AS IS, BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE COULD LEAVE THAT TO STAFF. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, STAFF MICHAEL DIFFERING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I THINK, UM, THE EYEBROWS LOOK FINE AS THEY, I THINK MAYBE THE BALCONIES COULD HAVE THE ANGULAR PROJECTION. I DON'T THINK THE BALCONIES NEED TO HAVE, WE'RE, IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE BALCONIES, YOU KNOW, COME OUT, UM, UM, TO THE, UM, MAXIMUM PROJECTION, WE DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY HAVE, HAVE TO HAVE THE CURVED, HAVE THE CURVED EDGES AND KEEP THE, KEEP THE, UM, THE, THE EYEBROW ON THE TOP, YOU KNOW? SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING SOMETHING MORE RECTAL, LINEAR? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE RAILINGS THAT, THAT THAT'S TRUE. IT COULD BE HARDER TO DO THE, YEAH. THE RAILINGS WITH THE, BUT THEN THAT WOULD ONLY REALLY APPLY TO THE, UM, THE BALCONIES AND NOT THE, NOT THE ROOFTOP. OKAY. JUST A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. ARE WE, DO WE, DO WE, IF WE APPROVE THIS AS IS AND IT SHOWS RADIUS CORNERS, CAN THEY MAKE IT RECTILINEAR IF HE AND THE OWNER WANT TO DO THAT? OR IS THAT LIKE TIED TO THE DESIGN? IT'S NOT REALLY TIED TO, UNLESS THE BOARD REALLY EXPRESSLY SAYS THEY HAVE TO KEEP THE, UM, COLINE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, CORNERS, IT'S NOT ESPECIALLY TIED TO THE DESIGN. IT'S THAT WE CONSIDER A, A MINOR MODIFICATION. OKAY. BUT I THINK IF THE BOARD, IF THE BOARD WANTS TO GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN, UM, YOU GUYS CAN, UH, MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AS PART OF YOUR CONDITIONS. I MEAN, I, I, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I THINK IT MAY MAKE SENSE FOR THE BALCONY AS AN ARCHITECT. I LIKE TO LEAVE SOME CREATIVITY UP TO YOU, RIGHT. TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE A NICE KIND OF STREAMLINED QUALITY. I KNOW OTHER MEMA BUILDINGS HAVE RECTANGULAR OVERHANGS. UM, I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. SO IF, IF I MAY LEAVE THAT TO THE CREATIVITY OF THE APPLICANT TO STUDY THE SQUARE EYEBROWS VERSUS THE ROUND ONE AND MAKE A DECISION. OKAY. AND SINCE THAT'S A SMALL MODIFICATION, THEN THEY COULD ADDRESS THAT WITH STAFF THAT, ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE MOTION? IS THAT A MOTION? NO ONE'S BEEN A MOTION. NO. THIS WAS JUST A RECOMMENDATION FOR ALL MY BOARD FELLOW COMPATRIOTS HERE, , THAT WE GIVE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TO THE APPLICANT AND LET HIM STUDY BOTH OPTIONS AND MAKE A DECISION WITH STAFF, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH MITCH. YEAH, OF COURSE. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR THE, UH, DEMOLITION AND VARIANCE. IS IT WAIVER? WAIT, WAIVER, WAIVER? I'M SORRY. DOES THAT INCLUDE A CONDITION REGARDING, UM, HAVING THEM EXPAND THE, UM, THE BALCONIES AT THE SECOND AND THIRD LEVEL? YES. TO THE, UM, THE, UM, YES, MAXIMUM PROJECTION ALLOWED AND THE SHAPE OF THE BALCONIES WILL BE UP TO STAFF TO APPROVE. OKAY. AND PROJECTIONS OR EYEBROWS. CORRECT. GOT IT. YEAH. ANY, UM, UM, SECOND TO THAT MOTION? I'LL, I'LL SECOND. SECOND. MR. NOVI. UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. WHILE THEY'RE BREAKING THAT DOWN, I'LL READ INTO THE RECORD THE, THE NEXT APPLICATION THANK YOU, WHICH [6. HPB26-0695, 736 COLLINS AVENUE.] IS, UM, HPB 26 DASH 0 6 9 5 FOR 7 36 COLLINS AVENUE. AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION RENOVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, INCLUDING THE NEW STOREFRONT FACADE, CLADDING, PROJECTING, ENTRANCE, FEATURE SIGNAGE, AND INCREASE IN THE HEIGHT OF THE PARAPET AND ROOFTOP ELEMENTS IN CONNECTION WITH THE NEW ROOF DECK AND THE PLACEMENT OF A SCULPTURE WITHIN THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD. THE APPLICATION INCLUDES VARIANCES TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED PROJECTION OF A ROOF OVERHANG INTO THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM REQUIRED INTERIOR SIDE SETBACK FOR THE PROJECTING ENTRANCE FEATURE, AND TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM, UM, PERMITTED, UM, SIGN AREA. UM, JUST A SECOND. UM, SO THIS PRO, THE EXISTING PROPERTY WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1921 IN, IN THE MASON SWING VERNACULAR STYLE. THERE'S BEEN SOME INTERESTING, UM, COMMENTARY ON THE BUILDING CARD WHERE INITIALLY IT WAS CALLED OUT AS A TWO STORY BUILDING. WE FOUND, UM, SOME AERIAL [01:05:01] PHOTOS THAT ARE LIKE, UM, UM, A 3D VERSION FROM 1920S THAT SHOW THAT ACTUALLY IT WAS THREE STORIES. SO WE DO THINK IT WAS EITHER CONSTRUCTED ORIGINALLY, THREE STORIES, OR THE THIRD STORY WAS ADDED, UM, SHORTLY AFTER CONSTRUCTION. UM, THIS APPLICATION DOES, UH, PROPOSE TO PUT BACK THE, THE THREE STORIES BACK IN THE NINETIES. THE RENOVATION OCCURRED THAT REMOVED, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE FLOORS TO MAKE A, A HIGHER VOLUMETRIC SPACE. AS PART OF THE, UM, RECONSTRUCTION, THE FLOOR PLATES ARE ADDING SLIGHTLY TO THE, TO THE, UM, THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING BY EXTENDING ABOUT THREE FEET UP TO HAVE A HIGHER, UM, FLOOR TO CEILING HEIGHTS IN THE THIRD FLOOR. UM, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE RECOMMEND, UH, ARE PROPOSING TO CLOUD THE BUILDING IN A, UM, A KEYSTONE FINISH, UM, RIGHT NOW THE BUILDING DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, NOT PROPOSING TO REMOVE ANY DETAILS THEY'RE PROPOSING. UM, THEY HAVE A LARGER SIGN THAT WAS NORMALLY ALLOWED. UH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, HOWEVER, IS BASED UPON A RECTANGULAR, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, BOX AROUND IT. SO IT'S NOT REALLY AS LARGE AS WHAT, UM, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE SEEMS. WE DO THINK THAT THIS AREA OF COLLINS, UM, IS IN NEED OF SOME, UM, SOME HELP IN TERMS OF, UM, UM, RETAIL STOREFRONTS LIKE THIS. WE ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION, INCLUDING THE, UM, THE VARIANCES FOR THE, UH, PROJECTION AS WELL AS FOR THE OVERALL DESIGN AND THE SIZE OF THE DESIGN. AND LASTLY, THESE, UM, PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS ARE EASILY REVERSIBLE. THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING TO, UM, DEMOLISH THE BUILDING OR TO MAKE CHANGES THAT WOULD BASICALLY DESTROY THE, THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING. SO IN, IN SUMMARY, WE'RE OUT VERY SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DESIGN AS WELL AS THE VARIANCES I'VE TURNED OVER TO THE APPLICANT FOR THE PRESENTATION. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. GOOD MORNING. I'M DANIEL FROM NATIONAL PERMIT GROUP FROM LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA. FIRST, I WANTED TO, JUST BEFORE WE START, I WANTED TO THANK THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THEY HAVE BEEN SO HELPFUL GUIDING US AND HELPING US ALONG THE WAY WITH PROCESSING IN MIAMI BEACH. IF ANYBODY EVER COMPLAINS ABOUT THE PROCESS OF MIAMI BEACH, PLEASE SEND THEM TO CALIFORNIA. I'D LOVE TO SHOW THEM WHAT PERMITTING REALLY LOOKS LIKE THERE. , IT'S A NIGHTMARE, BUT I REALLY WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH THE MIAMI BEACH. AS MICHAEL, UH, COVERED, WE ARE PART OF THE VIVIAN WESTWOOD TEAM. THIS IS A HIGH END RETAIL STORE. WE ARE TODAY APPLYING FOR THREE VARIANCES. TWO OF 'EM HAVE TO DO WITH THE ROOF CANOPY IN THE FRONT. ONE OF 'EM HAS TO DO WITH THE SIGNAGE, THE ROOF CANOPY, THE SIDE PROJECTION, THE ALLOWABLE PROJECTION ON THE SIDE THAT WE ARE PROJECTING THE, EXCUSE ME, WHAT IS ALLOWED IS 1.25%. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE ASKING, UH, WHICH IS ONE FOOT. WE'RE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL FOOT IN TOTAL OF 2.25 FEET. AND TO THE SIDE, THE FRONT CANOPY, WE ARE ASKING FOR ALL, ALL, ALL TOGETHER, 7.5 FROM WHAT IS ALLOWED, UH, IN, UH, FROM THE PROJECTION INTO THE FRONT YARD, UH, IN, IN, INTO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, RIGHT OFF THE, UH, RIGHT OFF THE SETBACK, GIVING A TOTAL OF 10 FOOT COVERAGE. THE SIGNAGE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, WHICH IS THE THIRD VARIANCE, IS THE ALLOWABLE SIGNAGE FOR THIS BUILDING IS 40 SQUARE FEET. WE ARE ASKING FOR 284 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE. IT IS A LOT. YES. AND THAT INCLUDES NOT JUST THE NEON SIGN OF VIVIAN WESTWOOD THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE RENDERINGS, BUT IT ALSO COVERS THE BRASS SIGNAGE ON THE SIZE OF THE CANOPY, AS WELL AS THE MOTIFS THAT ARE ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING IN FRONT OF THE CANOPY, AS WELL AS ALL THE WINDOWS AND THE DOOR HANDLES THAT WE USE AS THE LOGO FOR, UH, THE MOTIF THAT WE'RE USING. THOSE ARE THE VARIANCES. UM, THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE CLOUDED ALL WITHIN FLORIDA LIMESTONE. AND, UM, TO KIND OF GIVE IT THAT NICE FINISH, WE HAVE THE SAME, VERY SIMILAR LOCATION LIKE THAT IN MELROSE IN LOS ANGELES. UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE BRASS FINISHES ALL AROUND THE WINDOWS TO KIND OF REALLY GIVE THIS ELEGANT LOOK FOR THE HIGH-END RETAIL STORE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, BEFORE WE ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, NOW, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? GO AHEAD, MITCH. CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT THESE, UH, UH, CANOPIES THAT ARE LIT? UH, YES. SURROUNDED BY BRASS. AND WHAT'S THAT MATERIAL THAT'S TRANSLUCENT RIGHT NOW? WE ARE EXPLORING DIFFERENT OPTIONS. THE ONE IN NEW YORK IS A TRANSLUCENT. UM, IT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING PIECE. IT'S LIKE A PANEL. IT'S SAYING LED PANELS THEY USE, AND IT HAS THIS, UH, TRANSLUCENT KIND OF MATERIAL THAT WRAPS IT. WE ARE EXPLORING OTHER MATERIALS TO USE. MOST PROBABLY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA USE, JUST LIKE WE HAVE IN OUR NEW YORK CITY LOCATION. TO LIGHT UP THE, THE CANOPY THERE, IT'S AN ACRYLIC PANEL. YES, YES. SORRY, I APOLOGIZE. UH, ACRYLIC PANELS. YES. ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS, BY THE WAY, WHY WE DO NEED A AWNING LIKE THAT IS BECAUSE VIVIAN WESTWOOD, THE WAY THEY OPERATE THE STORE [01:10:01] IS THEY HAVE A LINE THAT FORMULATES BASED ON EVERY CLIENT THAT COMES IN, GETS ESCORTED WITH THE SALES ASSOCIATE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FRONTAGE OF THE STORES PROTECTED WITH FROM SUN AND FROM RAIN WHILE CUSTOMERS ARE WAITING IN LINE. AND I FEEL LIKE THAT MUST, THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST, UH, OPTION IN TERMS OF DESIGN. AND MAYBE, DO YOU WANNA BRING UP THE PRESENTATION? I THINK YOU DID SUBMIT A PRESENTATION, RIGHT? SO I THINK MAYBE YOU WANNA BRING THAT UP OH, YES. POINT OUT TO, I APOLOGIZE. YES. THAT, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAN YOU TELL US, UH, ABOUT, UH, I GUESS VIVIAN WESTWOOD IS A DESIGNER, OR VIVIAN WESTWOOD IS A, IS A YES. YES. SHE, SHE, SHE PASSED AWAY A COUPLE YEARS AGO. UM, SHE IS A DESIGNER BASED OUTTA LONDON. AND WHAT'S THE CONCEPT OF THE STORE? WHAT ARE YOU DOUBTING? WHAT ARE YOU SELLING? THEY SELL, UH, HIGH-END COUTURE TYPE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, DAY-TO-DAY CLOTHES, ONE WOULD SAY. AND ALSO THEIR, THEIR BIGGEST ASSET IS THEIR BRIDAL. THEY HAVE A VERY BIG BRIDAL, UM, VERY, VERY BIG BRIDLE LINE. UM, VIVIAN WESTWOOD, SORRY. THEIR MAIN STORE WHEN IT FIRST STARTED WAS, UM, WHAT WAS IT? IT WAS SEX, ROCK AND ROLL. THE PUNK, SHE WAS A VERY BIG PUNK DESIGNER. UM, AND SHE REALLY SHAPED A LOT OF THE FASHION IN, IN THE FASHION WORLD WHEN IT CAME TO THAT KIND OF AVANT-GARDE. UM, IN MANY OF THEIR STORES, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE BACKWARDS CLOCKS, WHICH IS A MOTIF THAT THEY USE. THEY HAVE THESE, THEY HAVE A VERY IMMERSIVE TYPE OF STORE, SO TO SAY, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE DESIGNING A, A VERY LARGE ORB IN, UH, IN THE FRONT. AND THE SIGNAGE, THE WAY THAT IT'S DESIGNED, BECAUSE THE VIVIAN WESTWOOD CONSUMER TENDS TO LOVE A PHOTO OP TYPE OF MOMENT. WE SEE THAT IN SHANGHAI, IN OUR SHANGHAI LOCATION. THERE'S A MASSIVE ORB THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO AND SIT INSIDE TO BE KIND OF INTERACTIVE WITH IT. WE, IN, IN PARIS, OUR, UH, VIVIAN WESTWOOD SIGN OVER THERE. THEY, THEY WENT AHEAD AND TOOK THE STREET POST AND PUT THE BACKWARDS VIVIAN WESTWOOD CLOCK ON IT, SHOWING THE STREET SIGN RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE STORE. SO CREATING THAT MOMENT FOR THE VIVIAN WESTWOOD CONSUMER IS QUITE IMPORTANT FOR THE STORE. OKAY. UH, THE LIGHTING WITHIN THE, UH, CANOPIES. MM-HMM . THAT'S LED OF, UH, SOFT. YEAH, OF COURSE. SOFT. OF COURSE, IT HAS TO. YEAH, OF COURSE. I DON'T, I WOULDN'T DESIGN ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, OVER 3000 K AND YEAH. YOU HAVE TO TWIST MY ARM FOR THAT ONE TOO. I, I HEAR YOU. OF COURSE. YES. UM, TWO QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD. NUMBER ONE, YOU COMPARE YOUR SIGN, UM, TO SIGNAGE ON OCEAN DRIVE INSTEAD OF ON COLLINS AVENUE. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE, THE, WHAT WOULD BE WE, EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD CONSIDER NEON, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT GOING TO BE. UM, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIZE. AND THE OTHER THING IS ON YOUR SECOND FLOOR PLAN MM-HMM . YOU HAVE FOUR EXECUTIVE OFFICES MM-HMM . ALL WITH BATHROOMS AND CLOSETS. RIGHT. THAT SCREAMS A STUDIO APARTMENT TO ME. , I'M GLAD YOU BRINGING THAT UP. ACTUALLY. WE HAD EXTENSIVE CONVERSATION WITH STAFF WITH THE, WITH THE VIVIAN WEST, WITH TEAM ABOUT THIS. THE VIVIAN WESTWOOD WANTS TO MAKE THEIR FLORIDA LOCATION THEIR LIKE, I GUESS, HEADQUARTERS IN A, IN A SENSE OF THE SOUTH AMERICAN MARKET. AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF EXECUTIVES THAT FLY IN AND OUT. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT GONNA BE AS A APARTMENT, BUT THEY ALL LIKE THEIR PRIVACY FOR THEIR BATHROOMS WITH THEIR OFFICES AND THEIR MEETINGS. I'VE, I'VE EXPERIENCED THIS MYSELF IN THEIR LOS ANGELES LOCATION. EVERY TIME WE HAVE A MEETING, IT'S IN THEIR INDIVIDUAL OFFICES, AND PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO SHARE BATHROOMS. SO THEY'RE VERY PICKY ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN SPACE, OWN OFFICE AND THEIR OWN CLOSET IN THEIR OWN CLOSET. UH, THE CLOSETS THEY USUALLY USE FOR SAMPLES OF CLOTHES. IT'S, IT'S A HOTEL ROOM FOR THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD, RANDY. I IS THE, UM, GRAPHIC THAT'S THE VIVIAN WESTWOOD, UM, SIGN, WHICH I HAVE TO AGREE IS HUGE. . UH, IS THAT THEIR LOGO? UH, THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF LOGOS. THIS IS ONE OF 'EM. THIS IS ONE OF 'EM THAT THEY USE. YES. IN LOS ANGELES, YOU FIND THIS EXACT TYPE OF SCRIPT OF VIVIAN WESTWOOD. CORRECT. I MEAN, I HAVE TO AGREE. WHEN I SEE THE PICTURE OF THE AERIAL YOU HAVE OF THE STREETSCAPE, THIS IS BY FAR GONNA HAVE THE BIGGEST SIGN OF ANY BUILDING ALONG THERE. UM, AND FROM A PEDESTRIAN POINT OF VIEW, IT WON'T EVEN BE VISIBLE. YOU'RE CANOPY BASICALLY HIDES IT FROM PEOPLE WALKING ON THE SIDEWALK. MM-HMM . THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE TWO AT EACH END, WHICH WOULD BE VERY VISIBLE. UM, I, IT JUST SEEMS REALLY EXCESSIVE COMPARED TO WHAT'S PERMITTED. IT SEEMS HUGE. UM, I KNOW YOU HAVE ALL THE SMALL ONES, BUT THEY ALL SEEM [01:15:01] TO BE RELATIVELY IN PROPORTION TO WHAT YOU'RE DOING. OKAY. RIGHT. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. GO AHEAD. THE, THE, THE VARIANCE FROM THE FRONT YARD PROJECTION, IT ASKS FOR 10, IT SAYS 10 FEET IS PROPOSED, BUT THE, THE SITE PLAN SHOWS AN 11 FOOT, RIGHT? SO CANOPY. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. SO, SO I'LL, UM, UH, I'LL EXPLAIN THAT. THE, THE 10 FEET IS ACTUALLY MEASURED FROM THE, UH, FROM THE SETBACK. AND THIS, THE BUILDING ITSELF IS RECESSED ONE FOOT BACK. SO IT'S ALL TOGETHER 11 FEET, BUT THE SETBACK IS 10, EXCUSE ME, IT'S COUNTED FROM THE SETBACK. SO BRING IT TO 10, BUT IT DOESN'T PASS OUR PROPERTY LINE. IT STAYS WITHIN OUR BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY. SO YOU'RE SAYING, UM, SO STAFF, THE FRONT YARD IS A 20 FOOT SETBACK AND 10 FEET. OH, IT'S 10 FEET. YEAH. BUILDING IS SETBACK A FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY FURTHER 11. CORRECT. SO THE BUILDING SETBACK, 11 CORRECT. PROJECTS. 11, CORRECT. OKAY. SO HOW DEEP THE, THE FRONT, UH, OVERHANG COULD BE WITHOUT REQUIRING ANY PREMISES. UM, THREE AND A HALF. THREE AND A HALF FEET. SO THEY ACTUALLY THREE AND A HALF FROM THE 10 OR FROM THE 11? FROM THE BUILDING? FROM THE BUILDING. FROM THE BUILDING, RIGHT. OKAY. SO IT NOW, SO THE CODE DOES ALLOW A, UM, UM, LIKE A TRADITIONAL CANVAS AND PIPE SORT OF, UM, UM, ENTRANCE FEATURE TO THE, TO THE SIDEWALK LEVEL. RIGHT. BUT IT DOESN'T ALLOW, IT DOESN'T CONTEMPLATE THESE SOLID STRUCTURES THAT GO TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THERE, THERE'S AN ALLOWANCE FOR THESE TYPES OF STRUCTURES IN THE FRONT FOR, FOR RAIN PROTECTION, BUT NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE SHOWING. AND, AND MICHAEL, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT REQUIREMENT FOR THE CANVAS AND PIPE, IT'S JUST SO THAT IF PUBLIC WORKS NEEDED TO TAKE SOMETHING DOWN AND ACCESS SOMETHING, RIGHT. BUT IN THIS, IN THIS CASE, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT GOING INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T NEED A RIGHT AWAY PERMIT FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING. SO IT'S SORT OF, UM, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THE EXTENT OF WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED WITH A CANVAS AND PIPE. IT'S, UH, SORT OF A, A, A HYBRID. AND, AND LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. IF, IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE A ZERO 11, A 0 1 1, IT SHOWS THE KIND OF BEFORE AND AFTER. UM, I KNOW THE REQUIREMENTS, IT SHOULD BE OPEN TO THE SKY, BUT IT'S JUST A PAVED SLAB AT THE MOMENT, THE ENTIRE FRONT YARD. ARE THERE NO PERMEABILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT? SORRY, SAY AGAIN? THE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE FRONT YARD IS JUST, I THINK IT'S A TERRAZZO. IT'S JUST A PAVED, I THINK IT'S A TERRAZZO WITH, UM, WITH A, UM, THE STREET NUMBER IN IT, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT'S SO, BUT THERE'S NO LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS? WELL, THEY, THERE IS. SO THERE IS A REQUIREMENT. THEY DID SUBMIT A LANDSCAPE, A LANDSCAPE PLAN. WE'RE ASKING THEM TO IMPROVE THE LANDSCAPING ALONG, ALONG THE SIDES, UH, THE SIDE YARDS. UM, SO THEY DO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT REQUIREMENT. WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO MODIFY WHAT'S THEY'RE IN FRONT BASED UPON THE CANOPY THAT THEY'RE APPROV THAT THEY'RE, UM, INSTALLING RIGHT NOW. AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING. SO YOU WOULD ONLY ASK AS A, AS A CONDITION, BUT THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR PERMEABILITY IN THE FRONT? NO, NO, NO. OKAY. YOU KNOW, IT TOOK US, IT TOOK US A WHILE AS WELL TO, WE BEEN MEETING WITH THEM FOR QUITE A WHILE. AND I AGREE, MAYBE IT WAS A SHOCK AT, AT FIRST TO SEE THE SIGN. AND AS WE MET WITH HIM MORE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SAW THE BUILDING AND SAW, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAD BEEN BEFORE, UM, WE BECAME COMFORTABLE WITH THE LEVEL OF IMPROVEMENTS AND, UH, AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR THE SITE TO REALLY MAKE SOMETHING THAT'S A STATEMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, I DO BELIEVE THAT, THAT THIS WILL ALSO ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO COME TO THE AREA AS WELL. SO WE DO THINK THIS IS LIKE A CATALYST FOR, FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE AREA. THANK YOU. WE, WE ARE ALSO, UM, BRINGING THE BUILDING BACK TO WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY, THE THREE STORIES BACK IN 1921. MM-HMM . UM, AND THE, THE BRIDAL SECTION IS GONNA BE ON THE THIRD FLOOR, AND THE SECOND FLOOR IS GONNA BE THE EXECUTIVE OFFICES, AND THE GROUND FLOOR WILL BE THE RETAIL STORE. I ADD TO IT, IT IS CHALLENGING TO TAKE AN OLDER BUILDING LIKE THIS AND TRANS TRANSFORM IT INTO A, YOU KNOW, RETAIL STRUCTURE. UM, ORIGINALLY THESE, THESE, UM, OPENINGS AT THE FRONT PROBABLY WERE SLEEPING PORCHES, SO IT WOULD'VE HAD LIKE SCREENS AND SORT OF LOURED, IF YOU CAN SEE IT. I THINK WE'VE PROVIDED AN IMAGE FROM THE 19, UM, 1920S, THIRTIES, OR FORTIES. THEY SHOWED PROBABLY WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY WITH, UH, THE LOOP, THE SHUTTERS AND, AND SCREEN PORCHES. SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO ADAPT, REUSE THIS BUILDING THAT'S MORE, YOU KNOW, HEAVY, HEAVY MASONRY MM-HMM . TO A RETAIL STOREFRONT. SO WE THINK THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB, AND THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING OR DEMOLISH THE FRONT. SO WE DO THINK IT IS A, UM, UM, A GOOD INTERVENTION. AND LIKE I SAY, IT'S ALSO COMPLETELY REVERSIBLE. SOMEONE COULD COME IN IN THE FUTURE YEAH. AND TAKE OFF THE MATERIAL. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT JUST DESTROYING ANY MATERIAL. THEY'RE NOT DESTROYING ANY SORT OF DETAILS. SO WE DO THINK THAT'S, IT'S LIKE A RISK WE THINK IS WORTHWHILE TO TAKE FOR THIS PROPERTY. YEAH. THANK YOU. IS, CAN I ASK, IS THE SCULPTURE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN THE FRONT, IS THAT PART OF THE APPLICATION? THAT'S A FUNNY THING. SO I DIDN'T KNOW, IN, I, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 20 SOME YEARS AND DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IN THE CODE, THERE'S AN ALLOWANCE FOR THE MXE DISTRICT TO HAVE SCULPTURES IN THE FRONT YARD, SUBJECT TO HPV APPROVAL. SO I DON'T RECALL ANY OTHER, UM, PROJECT HAVING COME BEFORE THE BOARD FOR THAT TYPE OF ISSUE. BUT IT'S BEEN IN THE CODE FOR A LONG TIME. JUST I HADN'T NOTICED IT. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY APPLIED FOR HERE FOR THIS, THIS ORB, WHICH IS A SCULPTURE IN THE FRONT YARD, [01:20:02] ART IN PUBLIC FORCES. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ELIZABETH? NO. QUICK QUESTION. THOSE CANOPIES, THEY ARE LIKE A LIGHTWEIGHT METAL STRUCTURE. YES. THAT WHEN YOU LEAVE THE BUILDING, WHENEVER THE STORE LEAVES, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST ASSEMBLE AND THE BUILDING IS BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL INTEGRITY. THAT IS CORRECT. YES. YES. IT'S, SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, JUST BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SIGNAGE, IS IT FOUR DIFFERENT PIECES OF SIGNAGE? LIKE IS THE ORB SIGNAGE NO, NO. WE'RE CONSIDERED THE SCULPTURE AND THAT'S NOT PART OF THEIR OVERALL EXPERT FOOTAGE. RIGHT. SO THREE PIECES. THE, THE SIGNAGE ACTUALLY IS, IS MULTIPLE, IT'S THE TWO SIGNS ON THE SIZE. RIGHT. THE MOTIF YOU HAVE IN THE FRONT. THE PINK? NO. OH NO, THIS ONE. OH, I DIDN'T SEE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THISIF HERE, THIS MOTIF UP HERE AND THE VIVIAN WESTWOOD SIGN THERE, THOSE TWO SIGNS, THE EMBLEM ON THE DOOR MM-HMM . AS WELL AS EVERY WINDOW WE'RE PUTTING A LITTLE EMBLEM OKAY. OF THE ORB AS WELL. OKAY. UM, AS TO THE PINK VIVIAN WESTWOOD. YES. CAN YOU TELL US THE DIMENSIONS? LIKE WHAT, WHAT THE DIMENSION IS? 20? WELL, THE OVERALL WIDTH AND HEIGHT FAIR, ABOUT 10 BY 20. 10 BY 20, OKAY. THANK YOU. 10 BY 20 FEET. YEAH. UM, AND THEN I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND ON THE RECORD WHAT YOU GUYS, SO YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE AWNING IS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE, UH, CANOPY COVERAGE FOR PEOPLE WAITING IN LINE. RIGHT. AND BECAUSE YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS, BUT VIVIAN WEST WOULD LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE INTO THE STORES. YEAH. UM, SO WHAT PROCEDURES DOES VE WESTWOOD HAVE IN PLACE TO MANAGE THOSE QUEUES? I, I JUST, I'M TRYING TO GET AN IDEA. WHEN YOU SAY LINES, IT MAKES ME NERVOUS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LIKE A MASSIVE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANNA UNDERSTAND. YEAH. SO EVERY STORE, DEPENDING ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND DEPENDING ON ACTUALLY LIKE HOW MANY PEOPLE COME THROUGH THE STORES AND THE SEASON, 'CAUSE IT'S SEASONAL, RIGHT? SO ON AVERAGE, YOU HAVE ABOUT 250 TO 300 PEOPLE PER DAY THAT COME THROUGH THE STORES. THAT'S DURING HOLIDAY SEASON. IT'S ABOUT 500, 550, 600. DURING THE HOLIDAYS WHERE THEY COME IN, YOU'LL HAVE, BASED OFF OF THAT, THEY BRING IN ASSOCIATES, SALES ASSOCIATES. SO YOU'LL HAVE 10, YOU'LL HAVE BETWEEN FIVE TO 10 ASSOCIATES PER SEASON. AND AS PEOPLE WAIT IN LINE, ONCE THE LINE GETS TO EIGHT GUESTS, THEN THEY START BRINGING THEM IN AND ALLOWING THEM TO BROWSE UNTIL AN ASSOCIATE FINDS THEM. BECAUSE AT THE SAME TIME, VIVIAN LIKES, I MEAN, THE IDEA OF A LINE IS ALWAYS APPEALING, BUT YET THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE A CHAOS OR LIKE A PARTY BASICALLY WAITING OUTSIDE. OKAY. SO, UM, THEY, THEY NEED TO, SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS, BASICALLY. OKAY. I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF HOW IT'S MANAGED. ONE AND TWO, I MEAN, TO A DEGREE WE'RE A UNIQUE MARKET IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S REALLY HOT YES. OUTSIDE. OH, YEAH. REGARDLESS OF SHADE OR COVERAGE. UM, AND SO JUST WANTED TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. OKAY. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY BOARD DISCLOSURES? NO. OKAY. SO WE CAN OPEN FOR A PUBLIC MEETING. MEG, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE? THERE'S NOBODY IN LINE WITH HER HAND RAISED. OKAY. MORNING, MEG LUAU. MDPL, BIG VIVIAN WESTWOOD FAN. UM, NOT, NOT HER MARKET, UNFORTUNATELY. . UM, , UM, THIS ISN'T PART OF HER FORMAL COMMENTS, BUT I JUST HAVE AN OBSERVATION BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WAS JUST SHARED. UM, IS THERE NOT A REQUIREMENT IN CITY CODE THAT THERE BE ACCOMMODATIONS WITHIN BUILDINGS FOR QUEUES? UM, IT SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO HAVE A PLACE FOR THEM INSIDE. I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE RULES ARE ON THAT, BUT IT'S JUST, UH, SOMETHING THAT IS NEW. THIS WASN'T PART OF THE APPLICATION THAT WE REVIEWED, SO THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL QUESTION. BUT BACK TO OUR POSITION. WE STRONGLY SUPPORT THE PROPOSED RESTORATION AND ADAPTIVE REUSE OF 7 36 COLLINS AVENUE FOR THE NEW VIVIAN WESTWOOD FLAGSHIP STORE. WE COMMEND THE APPLICANT AND DESIGN TEAM FOR AN EXCEPTIONALLY THOUGHTFUL PROJECT THAT DEMONSTRATES HOW A SIGNIFICANT INTERNATIONAL BRAND CAN ESTABLISH A DISTINCTIVE SOUTH PRESENCE IN SOUTH BEACH, WHILE EMBRACING, RATHER THAN OVERWHELMING THE HISTORIC BUILDING, IT WILL OCCUPY THE RESTORATION AND ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THIS 1921. CONTRIBUTING BUILDING TOGETHER WITH THE CAREFUL USE OF LIMESTONE BRASS R AND ELEMENTS AND OTHER ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS REPRESENTS THE TYPE OF INVESTMENT IN HISTORIC PROPERTIES THAT IN DETAIL L IS PLEASED TO SEE ALONG COLLINS AVENUE. WE ALSO WELCOME VIVIAN WESTWOOD'S INVESTMENT IN THIS PORTION OF COLLINS AVENUE, AND BELIEVE PROJECTS OF THIS QUALITY CAN CONTRIBUTE MEANINGFULLY TO THE CONTINUED REVITALIZATION OF THIS HISTORIC COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. OUR ONE CONCERN IS THE SCALE OF THE PROPOSED VIVIAN WESTWOOD SIGNATURE SIGN ON THE PRIMARY FACADE. TOTAL PROPOSED SIGNAGE IS AROUND 284 SQUARE FEET AGAINST A 100 SQUARE FOOT DISTRICT CAP. WITH THE NEON ALONE AROUND 200 SQUARE FEET, AT MORE THAN TWICE A PERMITTED SIZE, THE SIGNAGE BEGINS TO OVERPOWER THE HISTORIC FACADE RATHER THAN COMPLEMENT IT. WHAT WE APPRECIATE THE CREATIVITY AND CHARACTER OF THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE, WE ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT AND BOARD TO CONSIDER REDUCING ITS OVERALL SIZE, THAT IT COMPLIMENTS THE [01:25:01] ARCHITECTURE, RATHER THAN COMPETING WITH IT. WITH THAT MODIFICATION, WE ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORT THE APPLICATION AND THANK THE APPLICANT AND DESIGN TEAM FOR THE CARE, CREATIVITY, AND INVESTMENT THEY HAVE BROUGHT TO THIS HISTORIC BUILDING. THANKS. THANK YOU. AND STILL NO ONE ON ZOOM? UH, NOBODY WITH THEIR HAND RAISED. OKAY. UM, SO BOARD COMMENTARY, RIGHT? WELL, UM, I'D LOVE TO SEE A PLANTER ON EACH SIDE OF THE DOOR, , JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE GREENERY THERE. YEAH. UM, BUT HONESTLY, UM, TO RECEIVE MY VOTE TODAY, YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE OFF THE PINK SIGN AND MAYBE BRING IT BACK ANOTHER TIME. BUT I WOULD VOTE NO IF THAT'S PART OF THE, PART OF THE, I'M SORRY, ONE MORE TIME. THE PINK SIGN, MEANING THE KNEE, THE, THE LIGHT IN WORDS. EVERY, IF WE TAKE THAT, WE TAKE THAT PART OFF AND SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION, I MAKE A MOTION AND EVERYBODY VOTES FOR THE BUILDING, THAT'S FINE. BUT IF THE SIGN STAYS IN, MY VOTE WOULD BE NO. OKAY. SO HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO THAT. YEAH. I, I HAVE TO AGREE. I SEE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ALLOWED OF BEING 30, UM, YOUR SIGN THAT JUST THE ONE SIGN IS 200, UM, AND YOU HAVE PROPOSED 2 84, SO YOU COULD GET ALL YOUR SIGNS ON THE SIDES, ALL YOUR DOORS AND EVERYTHING, AND ANOTHER SIGN AND NOT EVEN HAVE TO HAVE THE VARIANCE. SO I, I JUST, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT SUCH, I THINK IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS PRECEDENT WITHOUT A STRONG REASON WHY THAT SIGN HAS TO BE THAT LARGE TO BE ON THAT STREET. WHEN I SEE THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN YOUR AERIAL, WHICH DON'T HAVE ANY SIGNS, UM, CERTAINLY IN THE AERIAL YOU HAVE OF THE, ACROSS THE STREET, THERE'S VIRTUALLY NO LARGE SIGNS. SO I, I'M JUST CONCERNED IT SETS A REALLY DANGEROUS PRECEDENT GOING THAT FAR OVER PERMITTED. IT BECOMES MORE OF A, IT BECOMES MORE OF A KIND OF BRANDING, I'M SORRY, IT'S BRANDING. WELL, BESIDES THE BRANDING PART, MOST, ALMOST EVERY VIVIAN WESTWOOD CONSUMER THAT COMES IN WANTS SOME FORM OF PHOTO AU THAT THEY CAN TAKE WITH THE SIGN. I SEE THAT OVER AND OVER IN MELROSE IN LOS ANGELES. PEOPLE STAND ACROSS THE STREET TO TAKE SIGNS WITH A PINK NEON THAT WE HAVE THERE RIGHT NOW. AND THAT'S EXACTLY HOW BIG IT IS ACTUALLY. AND IT'S, IT'S HUGE. IT'S HUGE FOR THE BRAND. IT'S A HUGE MARKETING THING FOR THE BRAND, AND IT'S QUITE IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF WOW POP FACTOR LIKE THAT, THAT VIVIAN IS KNOWN FOR. UM, YOU COULD PUT IT INSIDE OR ON THE GROUND FLOOR. I DO THINK IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS THAT THE BOARD IS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE, UM, THAT BOARD CONTINUE THAT PART OF THE APPLICATION TILL THE NEXT MONTH OR THE FOLLOWING MONTH, TO ALLOW 'EM TO COME BACK WITH AN ALTERNATE SOLUTION, ALTERNATE PLAN, OR REDUCTION OF VARIANCE. SO WE JUST WOULDN'T KILL IT TODAY, BUT MAYBE ALLOW THEM TO APPROVE THE MODIFICATION OF THE BUILDING, CONTINUE TO THE, THE, THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE SIGN SO THEY CAN COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, NEXT MONTH OR THE FOLLOWING MONTH. SURE. SO, I SWEAR I HAVE A THOUGHT PROCESS, UM, AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE SIGNAGE. IT'S REALLY LARGE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT SETS A BAD PRECEDENT OR NOT, BUT HERE, IF, IF IT WERE TO BE ALLOWED, HERE'S WHAT I WOULD WANT TO SEE. SETTING THE SIDE THE SIZE FOR JUST A SECOND, I WOULD LIKE, AND THEN I, HOPEFULLY THIS IS THE WAY IT'S BEING DONE. THAT SOMEHOW THE APPLICATION OF SUCH, YOU KNOW, IF IT EVER NEEDED TO BE REMOVED FOR WHATEVER REASON, IF FIAN WEST WOULD MOVE TO ANOTHER LOCATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THE UM, FACADE WOULDN'T BE PEPPERED WITH LITTLE HOLES EVERYWHERE. UM, WHERE YOU CAN TELL A SIGN USED TO BE. UM, AND, AND I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE'VE, WE'VE EVER HAD SIGNAGE THIS LARGE, BUT THERE CERTAINLY WAS LARGER SIGNAGE BACK WHEN THERE WERE ACTUAL RETAIL DOWN THERE. WE HAD GUESTS, WE HAD TURNED CHARLIE, WE HAD VICTORIA'S SECRET, WE HAD BEEN IN REPUBLIC EVERY, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT WAS A RETAIL CORRIDOR, PRE COVID, UM, WE HAD LARGER SIGNAGE. NOW THERE'S NO SIGNAGE. 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT MUCH THERE. SO, UH, THAT'S THE, THE, THE TRADE OFF THAT, THAT I'M LOOKING AT. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE DONE, UM, WHAT I'M ASKING FOR MM-HMM . BUT THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT I WOULD WANNA SEE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE DO THIS BEAUTIFUL, UH, REMIND ME AGAIN. THE FACADE WAS, UH, THE LIMESTONE. YEAH. FLORIDA LIMESTONE. THE FLORIDA LIMESTONE. UM, YOU KNOW, I WANT THAT TO BE ABLE, YOU KNOW, OR IN SIX YEARS WHEN VIVIAN WESTWOOD SAYS, WE DON'T WANT A BRIGHT PINK SIGN, WE WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT , WE COULD, WE COULD APPLY THEM TO REPLACE THE KEYSTONE IN AREAS WHERE THE, UM, THE SIGN HAS PUNCTURED THE OKAY. THAT, THAT I WOULD, I WOULD BE OPEN WITH THAT. I JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE HAVE ALL THESE HOLES. NO, E EXACTLY. THAT'S WHY, ESPECIALLY LIKE, IF THIS WAS HISTORIC KEYSTONE AND THAT WAS AN ISSUE, 100%, WE WOULD NOT, WE WOULD ALLOW, WE WOULD REQUIRE A DIFFERENT SIGNAGE OR A DIFFERENT ATTACHMENT. WE'VE DONE THIS WITH, UM, THE, I THINK THE 4 0 7 LINCOLN ROAD BUILDING WHERE THERE'S A GRANITE AROUND THE BUILDING MM-HMM . UM, WE ACQUIRED LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A SHELF WHERE [01:30:01] THEY HAVE THE SIGN, UM, ON THE SHELF VERSUS ON THE, ON THE STONE. SO, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S AN HISTORIC CONFIGURATION VERSUS THIS IS A BRAND NEW CONFIGURATION. SO I THINK IN THIS CASE, AS LONG AS THEY'RE, IF THEY CHANGE THE SIGN, THEY ACTUALLY REPLACE THE, THE STONE AS WELL AS PART OF THAT SIGNAGE REPLACEMENT. OKAY. UH, ELIZABETH HAS A QUESTION, COMMENT. YEAH. NO, I JUST WANNA ADD WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, UM, I THINK I'M NOT OFFENDED BY THE SIGN, BY NO MEANS . AND I THINK IF THE BUILDING WOULD HAVE MORE LIKE ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL OR MORE INTRICATE DESIGN, I WOULD SEE THE SIGN COMPETING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE BUILDING. BUT SINCE IT'S A RELATIVELY STREAMLINED BUILDING, LIKE SQUARE, SQUARE WINDOWS, SO IT'S NOT REALLY COMPETING WITH THE SPECIFIC CHARACTERISTICS OF THE BUILDING. SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T THINK IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A CONFLICT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UH, BUT I RESPECT MY COLLEAGUES' OPINIONS. BY ALL MEANS. I APPRECIATE IT. JUST KEEP IN MIND, VIVIAN WESTWOOD DID BUY THE BUILDING. THEY'RE NOT RENTING, THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ON MOVING OR RENTING. I KNOW I'M ON RECORD. THERE IS TWO ACTUALLY HIGH END RETAIL THAT HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME AND SAID, IF THIS GOES THROUGH, THEY'RE GOING TO CLOSE THEIR SHOP IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT AND MOVE TO SOUTH BEACH. THIS IS PIGGY BANKING, MANY OTHER HIGH-END RETAILS, HIGH-END RETAILS THAT I'M SURE EVERYBODY HERE IN THIS ROOM KNOWS THAT ARE PLANNING ON COMING, WANTING AND WAITING FOR VIVIAN TO COME THROUGH. WHICH I THINK IS, I THINK YOU CAN, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A TESTAMENT TO WHAT SOUTH BEACH IS GONNA LOOK LIKE. CAN I, CAN I ADD QUICKLY? UM, I ALSO DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS. I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. UM, BUT I'M, I'M SEMI NEW TO THE BOARD. I'M LEARNING FROM MY COLLEAGUES. I'M SURPRISED YOU GUYS ARE NOT FOR IT. I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S NOT OCEAN DRIVE, BUT, UM, SEMICON CONTEXTUAL, MAYBE NOT IMMEDIATELY CONTEXTUAL. I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. IT'S NOT LIKE A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS GOING INTO, IT'S A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, SO I DON'T THINK THE LIGHT POLLUTION IS AN ISSUE. THE WHOLE AWNING IS ILLUMINATED. SO I'M HAPPY TO GO WITH HOWEVER THE BOARD WANTS TO GO. BUT, UM, WHAT, I GUESS, I GUESS MAYBE A QUESTION FOR MICHAEL, IF WE APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, UH, DOES THAT OPEN THE FLOODGATES FOR ALL SIGNAGE? IT'S NOT A PRECEDENT. IT'S BASED UPON THE PACIFIC, UM, NATURE OF THE PROPERTY HERE. UM, BUILDINGS, DESIGN STANCES HERE. THIS IS VERY SITE SPECIFIC. MM-HMM . MITCH. OH, NICK, WERE YOU? I'M DONE. OKAY. MITCH? YEAH. I'VE, UH, UH, I'VE LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE THE MID 1980S. AND THIS PROPERTY HAS ALWAYS, UH, AT LEAST IN, IN MY MIND, HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ANOMALY. I, UH, I, I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF WHAT YOU PROPOSED TODAY. I THINK, UH, THIS COULD BE A CATALYST AND, UH, REVITALIZING, UH, THIS PART OF MIAMI BEACH THAT, UH, WAS ONCE THRIVING WITH, UH, BUSINESS, WITH RESIDENTS, WITH EVERYTHING. GOOD. AND, UH, I APPLAUD YOU FOR, UH, UH, , YOU KNOW, COMING TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR FOR YOUR, UH, CLIENT, UH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, PURCHASING THE BUILDING AND IN MY MIND, UH, PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT COULD VERY WELL BE, UH, IMPORTANT TO THE FUTURE OF THIS CITY. I APPRECIATE IT. YOU SHOULD THANK, UH, CARLA DEMARIO HIMSELF. HE CAME HERE 20 YEARS AGO, FOUND LOVE, AND EVER SINCE THEN, HAS ALWAYS WANTED TO COME BACK. OKAY. UM, I THINK WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT, SO I WANTED TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO IF WE CAN DO THAT NOW. DID YOU WANNA SPEAK? MY NAME IS RON MALDEN. WERE YOU SWORN IN EARLIER? SORRY. I'M SORRY. YES. OKAY. AND YOU, I PARDON? S YOU WERE SWORN IN. OKAY. I WAS HERE IN THE BEGINNING. MY NAME IS RON MALDEN. I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATE IN THE BUILDING THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO VIVIAN WESTWOOD. THE SIGNAGE IS VIVIAN WESTWOOD. I'VE LIVED IN LONDON, I'VE LIVED IN JAPAN. IT'S A VIVIAN WESTWOOD. IT'S THAT STATEMENT ALSO IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF THE SIGNAGE. THE EVERLAST GROUP, WHICH CREATES ALL THE BOXING, HAS A HUGE SIGN. I, I DON'T KNOW THE DIMENSION, BUT I THINK THE SIGNAGE IS A CATALYST AND IMPORTANT FOR BRINGING IN OTHER BUSINESSES. UM, AND I WAS IN, UH, LOS ANGELES WHEN RODEO DRIVE HAD THAT DIP AND THEN CAME BACK. AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT WAS SOMEBODY WHO PUT A GOLD STAIRWELL IN THAT BROUGHT ALL THE BUSINESS BACK. SO, UH, WE ARE IN FAVOR AS NEIGHBORS AND SUPPORT THEM, UH, IN THIS CAPACITY. AND I THINK IT IS A HUGE CATALYST FOR BRINGING BACK THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND MY COLLEAGUE COULDN'T BE HERE, BUT HE SAID HE, HE SPEAK ON HIS BEHALF AS YES. THANK SURE. SINCE WE'VE REOPENED PUBLIC HEARING, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON ZOOM? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. UM, NOBODY WITH THEIR HAND RAISED. OKAY. UM, SO WE'RE GONNA RECLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REBUTTAL TO THAT COMMENTARY. UM, SO I THINK HERE IT'S PROBABLY WORTH [01:35:01] THE DISCUSSION. IT SEEMS THE BOARD IS A LITTLE BIT SPLIT. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER FOR THE SIGNAGE YES, SIR. I JUST WANNA BRING UP THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UM, WHAT'S CALLED A NEON DISTRICT BETWEEN ON, ON LINCOLN ROAD, BETWEEN COLLINS AND WASHINGTON. AND IF WE WANNA NOW TRY AND START SOMETHING ON COLLINS AVENUE, THEN I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT UP AND MAKE A CHANGE OVERALL. NOT DO ITS SPOT, LIKE, OH, WE'LL, WE'LL ACCEPT THIS AND, AND WE WILL LOOK AT OTHER THINGS. AND LET'S, IF WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THAT AND WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA, THEN WE SHOULD MAKE A CHANGE OF WHAT THE SIGNAGE CAN BE ON COLLINS AVENUE. UM, AND THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED EITHER THROUGH HPB OR THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE COMMISSION. OKAY. YOU'RE GONNA SEE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A COUPLE SIGNS, UM, IN DECEMBER FOR THAT AREA OF LINCOLN ROAD THAT ALLOW THE ADDITIONAL AND GREATER SIGNAGE. YOUR POINT, RAY. I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, MAYBE WE CAN ADD THAT AS THE DISCUSSION ITEM. UM, MICHAEL, MAYBE WE CAN ADD SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS THE DISCUSSION ITEM TO TALK THROUGH WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. SURE. I, I THINK ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE AREA OF LINCOLN ROAD IS THAT YOU HAD SORT OF LARGE AREAS OF, UM, SOLID, UM, UM, UM, BUILDING MM-HMM . THAT'S WHERE YOU HAD THESE LARGE, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, SIGNAGE THAT WAS PART OF A, I'D SAY A, UM, A THEATER OR SOME SORT OF, UM, USE THAT HAD THAT SORT OF A, UM, UM, ALLOWED, ALLOWED, LIKE THE BACKSIDE, LIKE BURS, LIKE THE BACKSIDE OF MACY'S. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS ALONG THE, UM, SAY THE 200, 300 BLOCK OF LINCOLN ROAD HAD SORT OF LARGE MASONRY, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, WALL AREAS THAT SORT OF, UM, LENDED THEMSELVES TO LARGER SIGNAGE. SO THIS, THIS AREA IS DIFFERENT. SO, BUT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND I THINK IT'S GENERALLY WARRANTS THE DISCUSSION. I THINK IT WEREN'T THE DISCUSSION ROOM WELL, 'CAUSE THIS, THIS WAS NOTICED TO THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE HERE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT. BUT WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THIS, I SAID, OH MY GOD, NO. YOU KNOW? UM, BUT I I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, AND I THINK IT'S BETTER IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY WIDE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW. BUT SINCE WE GOT NO COMPLAINTS MM-HMM . AND YOU GUYS ARE ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS, I, I COULD VOTE YES FOR THIS, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GO FURTHER FOR FUTURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, JUST TO RESPOND TO THAT, I, I WANNA HAVE THE DISCUSSION, BUT I WANNA PUT SOME MORE THOUGHT INTO IT BECAUSE I AGREE. RIGHT. AND ESPECIALLY WITH ELIZABETH'S COMMENTS, THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING, THE FRONTAGE OF IT AND THE FACADE, HOW, HOW, WHAT IT IS VERSUS, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THE OLD VICTORIA SECRET ACROSS THE STREET, RIGHT? AND SO HOW, YOU KNOW, WHERE AND HOW WOULD YOU HAVE SIGNAGE THERE? AND SO TO HAVE A BLANKET ROLE, I THINK MAYBE THERE'S A WAY WE COULD CRAFT IT, UM, AS FAR AS A RECOMMENDATION. UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON. UM, BUT I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FEEDBACK, UM, I SAW RANDY'S LOOK ON. DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE FURTHER COMMENT? NO, I, I, I HEAR ALL THE OTHER COMMENTS AND I, I APPLAUD COMING IN HERE AND DOING, IT'S FANTASTIC. AND I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST NEON SIGNS. I JUST, WHEN YOU FIRST SEE THIS, IT'S LIKE, WOW, THAT'S A BIG SIGN. AND WOW, THAT'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, BRANDING ON A BUILDING, WHICH IN ITSELF HAS, YOU KNOW, A CHARACTER. UM, I'M NOT TERRIBLY FOND OF THE CANOPY ON TOP OF THE LIGHTS. I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE AT NIGHTTIME UP THERE, LIGHTING UP THAT WALL WHEN, WHEN THE NEON WAS DOING AN AMAZING JOB. SO I'M FINE ALSO, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE HOURS THAT YOU GUYS ANTICIPATE IN TERMS OF THE STORE OPERATION? 10 TO SIX. SO MAYBE THERE'S A CONDITION THAT, YOU KNOW, AFTER A CERTAIN TIME, THE, THE CANOPY LIGHTING IS TURNED OFF, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT RUNS ALL THAT LONG. WE, WELL, WE DO THAT IN OUR NEW YORK CITY LOCATION ALSO. THE, THE LIGHTING IS EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY THIN AND LIGHT. IT'S NOT LIKE A LIGHT, IT'S JUST SOMETHING GLOW. THAT'S ALL THAT IT'S, BUT YES, IT IS GONNA BE TURNED OFF WHEN THE STORAGE CLOSE. 6:00 PM A HUNDRED PERCENT. GO AHEAD, RANDY. SO IS THAT A REVERSE CHANNEL WITH A COVERING ON THE BULBS, OR IS, HOW DOES THAT WORK? OR IT'S NOT BACK LIT, IT'S FRONT LID, CORRECT? IT, WELL, THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT OPTIONS WE CAN USE. SO IT, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE COST. BUT THE ONE WE USE IN NEW YORK, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS BASED OUT OF, IT'S A, IT'S A LED PANEL THAT'S A, THAT HAS AN ACRYLIC COVER, AND THAT'S HOW THE PANELS SIT. SO IT'S VERY LOVELY. SO IT, IT'S A BOX LIGHT AND THE A BOX LOOKS LIKE IT'S LIT UP AS OPPOSED EXACTLY. OKAY. IT'S LIKE A FLAT PANEL WHERE IT LIGHTS UP. EXACTLY. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT DEFINITELY LOOKS MORE LIKE, YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WAS INSIDE THE LIGHTS. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY, I'D SAY ABOUT 20, 20 WATTS. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT HIGH. IT'S NOT THAT BRIGHT. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A, A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS. SO WE SHOULD DO ON ONE MOTION FOR THE OVERALL DESIGN, THE VARIANCE AND WE'LL, AND THEN ANOTHER MOTION FOR, UM, THE VARIANCES. OKAY. UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION, [01:40:01] UH, FOR THE VARIANCES FIRST, A SECOND. UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE THREE VARIANCES. AYE. AYE. ANYBODY POST, MAKE A MOTION FOR THE, UH, SIGNAGE. SECOND NOW. SO I, I WOULD SAY THAT SHOULD INCLUDE THE OVERALL DESIGN AS WELL. THE OVERALL DESIGN, YES. IN THE OVERALL DESIGN AS WELL. OKAY. I SECOND, WHO WAS THE SECOND? ELIZABETH? I SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. EVERY OPPOSED. CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WISH EVERYONE. THANK YOU. THAT WAS GOOD. ALL YOU'RE GOOD TO GO HERE. OKAY, COOL. THE NEXT ITEM [7. HPB26-0696, 1751, 1757 & 1775 COLLINS AVENUE.] IN THE AGENDA IS HV 26, UH, 17 51, 17 57, 17 75 COLLINS. THIS IS FOR THE SOUTH SEAS HOTEL RICHMOND AND THE RALEIGH HOTEL. AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED REQUESTING AN AFTER THE FACT CERTIFICATE, APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE DEMOLITION AND REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING ROAL FLOORING WITHIN PORTIONS OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, ALONG WITH CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE RECREATION OF THE TERRAZZO FLOORING, CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION IN CONNECTION WITH PREVIOUSLY APPROVED STRUCTURAL STABILIZATION AND FACADE PRESERVATION WORK. UM, JUST A MOMENT. UM, THIS APPLICATION, UM, IS FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE INTERIOR TERRA AND WITHIN THE LOBBY AREA, SOME OF THE OUTDOOR TERRACES, UM, IN THE PORCH. THIS REMOVAL WAS UNDERTAKEN IN CONNECTION WITH THE NECESSARY STRUCTURAL STABILIZATION OF FACADE PRESERVATION WORK TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT DETERIORATION, UM, FOLLOWING THE ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY. AND THE OWNER CONDUCTED A COMPREHENSIVE EVALUATION AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT, UM, IT DOES HAVE SIGNIFICANT AGE RELATED DEFICIENCIES THAT WERE, UM, WITHIN THE PORTIONS OF THE FOUNDATION. WHEN THEY DID REMOVE SOME OF THAT STRUCTURAL, UM, CIVILIZATION, IT LOOKED LIKE IT SEEMED THAT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE STRUCTURAL ASSESSMENT WAS TO REMOVE PRETTY MUCH THE TERRAZZO FLOORING THAT'S, UH, LOCATED. THEY ARE PLANNING TO RECREATE, UM, THE ENTIRE TERRAZZO, INCLUDING SOME OF THE PATTERNS THAT YOU SEE IN SOME OF THE LOBBY AREAS, SUCH AS LIKE THE MARTINI GLASS, UM, AND SOME OF THESE, UH, ICONIC SYMBOLS THAT ARE WITHIN THESE HOTELS. UM, BUT SO STAFF, UH, IT DOES SAY IN THE STRUCTURAL REPORT THAT RAMIRO MEASURES SHOULD INCLUDE DEMOLISHING THE EFFECTIVE SLAB ON GRADE, RECONSTRUCTING IT OVER COMPETENT SOIL AND REPLICATING THE TERRAZZO FINISH. UM, IN THIS CASE, THE REMOVAL OF THE TERRAZZO FLOORING WAS DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH AND NECESSARY TO FACILITATE THE STRUCTURAL CIVILIZATION MEASURED REQUIRED TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC BUILDING AND THE SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE REQUEST FOR THE AFTER, UH, F FACT CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE DEMOLITION REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING TERRAZZO FLOORING. UM, AND WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE RECREATION OF THE TERRAZZO. AND WITH THAT, I'LL HAND IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT. ONE SECOND. ALFREDO, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FROM THE BOARD? OKAY, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING FOR THE RECORD. ALFREDO GONZALEZ WITH, WITH GREENBURG TAR, UM, WITH OFFICER 3 3 3 NORTHEAST SECOND AVENUE. UH, HERE WITH, UM, MY COLLEAGUE, UH, DAVID BUTTER, UH, FROM NALAC, RALEIGH, CAPITAL LLC, OWNERSHIP, UH, YOUNGEST HADID AND, UM, ARCHITECT KOBE KARP. UM, I KNOW WE CAME BEFORE THE BOARD, UM, THIS IS AN AFTER THE FACT, BUT WE CAME BACK IN APRIL TO THE HVB TO THE BOARD. AND WE, AS A DISCUSSION ITEM, WHEN ALL THIS WAS DISCOVERED AND WE WERE WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THE ADMINISTRATION AND HOW TO, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN. UH, LEMME TAKE ONE STEP BACK. MY CLIENT ACQUIRED THE, THE RALEIGH HOTEL, BECAME THE FIFTH OWNER IN FOUR, IN 14 YEARS, UH, AT THE END OF LAST YEAR. SO WHEN HE IMMEDIATELY ACQUIRED THE SITE, STARTED HAVING ACCESS TO THE RALEIGH, UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, FOR THE LAST NINE YEARS THE RALEIGH HAD BEEN ON UNDER VARIOUS OWNERS, UM, STRIPPED DOWN TO THE CONDITION EVERYONE HAD SEEN, AND WE'LL GO OVER THE SLIDES AND UNDERSTOOD THE CONCERN. WE HAD HAD THAT SAME CONCERN FROM HVV MEMBERS, FROM CITY OFFICIALS, UM, ADMINISTRATION. EVERYONE WAS CONCERNED THAT, UH, WE WERE APPROACHING HURRICANE SEASON AND THIS ANOTHER YEAR OF THIS BUILDING NOT BEING PROTECTED. SO IMMEDIATELY, UH, EFFORTS WERE DONE FOR COMPLETE SHORING, UH, BRACING OF THE BUILDING, WHICH I CAN TELL YOU IT WAS ALL COMPLETED PRIOR TO HURRICANE SEASON. UH, [01:45:01] BUT THAT REQUIRED ACCESSING AND REMOVING THE, UH, TO BE ABLE TO DO THE FOUNDA, UH, FINISH ALL THE SHORING. UH, WE PROVIDED THE REPORTS FROM D SIMONE TO THE ADMINISTRATION TO BOTH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL PLANNING DEPARTMENT, MICHAEL, AND WORKED ALL TOGETHER. AND THEY MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT THIS THE, FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF PROTECTING THE BUILDING, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD APPROVE THE, UH, DEMOLITION PERMIT PRIOR TO GOING TO HPB. AND THEN WE SUBSEQUENT WOULD SUBMIT BEFORE THIS BOARD. SO NOW THIS IS THE, NOW WE'RE HERE IN SEPTEMBER, GETTING THE, UM, REQUESTING THE, THE APPROVAL BY THE HPB. I COULD TELL YOU THE PERMITS WAS ISSUED EARLIER THIS SUMMER, UH, EARLY IN THE, IN THE SPRING. UM, RIGHT NOW, A A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TERRA HAVE, HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE RICHMOND, UH, RICHMOND SOUTH SEA. THE LOWER LOBBY OF THE, THE RALEIGH, THE UPPER LOBBY, UPPER LEVEL OF THE RALEIGH HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED YET BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO ADDITIONAL STRUCTURAL, UM, SAFEGUARDS BEFORE WE COULD REMOVE. AND THAT'S EXPECTED TO BE DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. I COULD GO THROUGH A QUICK SLIDE AND, AND SHOW YOU, UM, SOME OF THE IMAGES WE HAVE. WE BRING THE PRESENTATION UP. PERFECT. SO THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS NOW AFTER THE RALEIGH'S BEEN SHORED UP AND PROTECTED. UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THREE HISTORIC BUILDINGS. 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY, UH, THE RALEIGH SITE WE REFER TO AS THE RALEIGH SITE, BUT IT'S THE THREE L MURRAY DIXON HISTORIC BUILDINGS BUILT IN 19 40, 19 41, WHICH IS THE, THE RALEIGH, THE, UH, RICHMOND. AND THEN THE SOUTHERN ONE IS, UH, SOUTH SEAS. HERE'S A RENDERING OF HOW THEY LOOK WHEN THEY BE FULLY RESTORED TO THEIR ORIGINAL, UM, FACADES, WHICH WERE ALTERED IN THE FIFTIES WITH ANOTHER FLOOR ADDED IN THE RICHMOND SOUTH SEAS. THOSE HAVE BEEN REMOVED. AND I GO, UH, ALSO ADVISED AS PART OF THE SHORING OF THE RALEIGH, THE 1996 EDITION PENTHOUSE EDITION OF THE RALEIGH, WHICH WAS REMOVED. IT HAS BEEN REMOVED. UM, SO HERE ARE JUST SOME IMAGES OF THE, WE DID EXTENSIVE, UM, 3D AND, AND SAMPLING OF ALL THE TERRAZZO AND ALL THE PATTERNS THROUGHOUT THE THREE BUILDINGS TO MAKE SURE THEY COULD BE REPLICATED. UH, HERE'S SOME OF THE IMAGES. SO WE HAVE ALSO THINGS LIKE QUESTIONS LIKE STAFF SAID, WE COULD PRESERVE LIKE THE MARTINI IN THE, UH, IN THE RALEIGHS IN THE TERRAZZO THAT'S BEEN DIRECTLY REMOVED. IT LIKELY CAN'T BE PUT BACK ONTO THE GROUND, BUT IT COULD BE TURNED INTO SOMETHING ON THE FRAME, BUT IT COULD BE PRESERVED. UM, SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THOSE EFFORTS AND THIS IS THE, THE SOUTH SEASON, THE RICHMOND AND THAT. AND WITH THAT, UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY, ANY QUESTIONS 'CAUSE WE'RE HERE FOR THIS LIMITED, JUST FOR THIS LIMITED MODIFIED, UM, SUPPLEMENTAL ORDER FOR THE, AFTER THE FACT WE WILL COME. I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE RALEIGH. WE WILL COME FOR A LARGER SCALE APPLICATION FOR A MODIFICATION, UH, PROBABLY IN THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE'RE HERE TODAY. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? GO AHEAD. JUST A QUICK ONE. CAN YOU GO OVER EXACTLY HOW MUCH MORE YOU'RE REMOVING AT THIS POINT? MM-HMM. BUT HOW MUCH MORE OF THE TERRAZZO FLOOR IS BEING REMOVED? THE, THE ENTIRE TERRAZZO FLOOR, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING'S REMOVED BECAUSE THAT WASN'T, AND WITH THE, THE REPORT THAT YOU HAVE, THE D SIMONE REPORT SHOWS, UH, THERE MULTIPLE REASONS. A LOT OF THE SAND UNDERNEATH THE SLAB HAS CREATED VOIDS. MM-HMM . THERE'S NO ACCESS, THERE'S LIFE SAFETY ISSUES FOR WORKERS TO TRY TO REBUILD THAT. AND IT'S NOT IMPACT THE ZO. SO, UM, WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, UM, AND TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW TOO THAT IT WASN'T LIKE THEY CAME IN AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY SAID, WE NEED TO REMOVE THIS ALL THIS ALL ENTIRELY. THEY CAME INITIALLY SAYING, OKAY, WE NEED TO REMOVE THIS PORTION AROUND THE COLUMNS, WHICH WE WORKED WITH THEM TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WAS THE APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, LINE IN THE, IN THE METAL AND TERRA TO REMOVE. AND THEN AFTER ALL THAT, THEY SAID THAT THE STRUCTURAL, UM, ANALYSIS BASICALLY SAID THEY HAD TO REMOVE MORE AND MORE OR TO REALLY DO THE FOUNDATION. SO, UM, THIS IS, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS NOW GOING BACK FOR PROBABLY ALMOST A YEAR IN TERMS OF WORKING WITH US AND, AND TRYING TO SHORE UP THE FOUNDATIONS AND FOR, FOR THE THREE BUILDINGS. YEAH. AND MICHAEL'S CORRECT. I MEAN, WE STARTED THE PROCESS, TRY TO SEE IF WE COULD AVOID COMING BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ADDITIONAL REQUESTS, BUT AS MORE INVESTIGATION ANALYSIS BY THE ENGINEERS CAME IN, IT JUST, IT GOT WORSE. SO, OKAY. MITCH, HAVE THE THREE STRUCTURES BEEN SHORED UP AND STABILIZED AT THIS POINT? AS OF EARLY MAY? YES, A HUNDRED [01:50:01] PERCENT. UM, SO YEAH, IF YOU, IF YOU GO BY AND, AND THERE'S WORK GOING ON IN THE RALEIGH, SO WORK CONTINUES IN THE RALEIGH RESTORATION EFFORTS OF THE INTERIOR. SO, UM, WE, THAT THAT HASN'T, THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE SITE, THAT'S AN AREA OF THE SITE THAT'S MOST ACTIVE RIGHT NOW. YOU SEE AS WE LOOK AT REDESIGNING OTHER ISSUES AND THAT WORK IS CONTINUING. YES, SIR. YEAH, THERE'S OVER THEY, THE NEW OWNERS EX EXPENDED OVER $6 MILLION TO THIS POINT INTO THE SITE. PRIMARILY IN THE SHO PRIMARILY INTO THE RALEIGH IN THE SHORING AND, AND CONTINUE, UH, PROTECTION GO HIGHER. I WANT INVITE THEM TO COME SEE THE YEAH. AND AS JENGA WAS JUST ON ME, HAPPY TO INVITE ANY OF THE BOARD, I, THEY WANT A TOUR OF THE SITE TO SEE THE CONDITIONS . OKAY. NICK, I HAVE TO ADMIT, I DON'T, I DON'T TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO. SO IT'S ALREADY DEMOLISHED. THAT'S WHY. SO WE, WE HAD A DISCUSSION NOT IN, BEFORE YOU A FEW MONTHS AGO. SO, SO THE WATER'S NOT CUT UP. THIS APPLICATION CAME IN BECAUSE WE'RE BASICALLY, UM, THEY HAD TO DO IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BUILDING WAS, UM, NOT IN JEOPARDY DURING HURRICANE SEASON. SO OKAY. THAT'S WHY WE, UM, WITH THIS WHOLE, UM, NON-TRADITIONAL PROCESS. RIGHT. BUT FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE, IF WE WERE NOT TO APPROVE, IT'S ALREADY DEMOLISHED. SO WHAT, WHAT WOULD WE BE DOING AT THAT POINT? I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT GONNA APPROVE IT, OBVIOUSLY. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD QUESTION. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. MY CLIENT ASKED ME THAT QUESTION. SAID WE WOULD HAVE TO, NONE OF THIS, WE HAVE TO REPLICATE IT. I MEAN AT THIS POINT THERE'S REALLY, IT'S BEEN REMOVED. SO RIGHT. THE OTHER AND THE OTHER SIDE, THE OTHER THING WE'RE BEING ASKED IS CERTIFICATE OF, OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE RECREATION OF THE TERRAZZO. ARE WE LOOKING AT A DESIGN FOR THAT'S, LET'S MATCH, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY, IT'S GONNA MATCH EXACTLY. YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. UM, THEY, THEY DID KEEP, UM, PORTIONS OF CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, DECORATIVE ELEMENTS THAT THEY CAN PUT BACK INTO THE FLOOR, BUT IT WILL BE MATCHING EXACTLY WHEN, UM, TERRA'S, UM, TERRAZZO DESIGN HAS COME A LONG WAY OVER THE YEARS. YOU'VE SEEN PROBABLY A LOT OF BAD PATCHES AND, YOU KNOW, BAD WORK, BUT THERE'S REALLY GOOD CRAFTSMAN'S CRAFTSMANSHIP AND REALLY GOOD, UM, UM, TERRAZZO INSTALLERS THAT CAN REALLY REPLICATE THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. SO WE'RE GONNA PROVE MATCHING WHAT WAS THERE. YEAH, EXACTLY. BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A DESIGN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. NO. WE'RE BASICALLY, THEY'RE GONNA BE MATCHING WHAT WAS THERE, UM, WORKING WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THOSE SAMPLES ARE REVIEWED AND APPROVED AND INSTALLED EVENTUALLY. YEAH. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF 3D RENDERINGS, IMAGES, SAMPLES. THEY DID REALLY GOOD. LIKE, UM, AND WORKING REALLY GOOD, UM, IMAGING OF THE, OF THE ZO, I THINK WE LIKE PHONES OR YES. OF THE SCANS AND STUFF. SCANS, YEAH, EXACTLY. SO WE COULD WORK WITH STAFF WHEN IT, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO PUT IT ALL BACK, IT'LL LOOK IDENT. IT'LL BE A COMPLETE WRAP. OKAY. DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, SO YOU SAID COMPLETELY REPLICATED. SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S NOT COMING BACK THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF? THE, NO, THE TR IS A HUNDRED PERCENT GONE. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA PRESERVE THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. WE LIKE THE, THE MARTINI MARTINI, THAT'S THE MOST FAMOUS ONE. MM-HMM . UH, WE DUNNO IF WE COULD BRING IT BACK ON THE GROUND OR WE MAY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, FRAME IT UP AND IT'LL BE ON THE SITE. SO, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THIS IS BEFORE YOU, BECAUSE WE CANNOT ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE THE LEVEL OF DEMOLITION OF TERRAZZO THAT THEY ARE, THAT THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH. RIGHT. SO, I'M SORRY, MICHAEL, BUT ADMINISTRATIVELY YOU CANNOT APPROVE WHAT IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. SO IT WAS DONE WITHOUT THE APPROVAL. THAT'S, WELL, THAT, THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT THIS TO THE BOARD AS A DISCUSSION TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD IS AWARE OF THIS, THAT THIS WAS HAPPENING. SO, UM, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO SAY THAT TERRA WOULD'VE THE BUILDING COLLAPSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE CORRECT. UM, WE DID THIS. OKAY. BUT IS THERE ANY REASON WHY IT DIDN'T COME TO US BEFORE? THE FACT THEY COULDN'T, THEY COULDN'T MAKE, THEY COULD NOT MAKE AN APPLICATION IN TIME. IT'S AN EMERGENCY BEFORE THE BOARD. EXACTLY. UNDERSTOOD. AND, AND THE BUILDING OFFICIAL SAY MAYBE EACH BUILDING OFFICIAL REVIEWED ALL THE REPORTS AND HE WAS CONSIDERING EXPLORING, YOU KNOW, UM, EMERGENCY. AND WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT, WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT HAVING THE BUILDING. SO THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A SERIOUS CONCERN. SO, AND UNFORTUNATELY THE TIMELINES AND THE, THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS THAT COME BEFORE THIS BOARD WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO COME TO THE BOARD AND THEN GET THE WORK DONE AND ALSO BEAT THE HURRICANE SEASON. UH, THAT'S WHY WE DID COME IN APRIL BEFORE THE BOARD AND GAVE YOU A FULL BRIEFING OF WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN BEFORE IT HAPPENED, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS AN OFFICIAL HEARING. TODAY'S THE OFFICIAL HEARING I GIVE YOU, I GIVE YOU A LOT OF CREDIT BECAUSE LIKE FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, YOU LOOK AT, UM, WHEN THE SETAI HAD TO REBUILD THE VANDERBILT, THEY REBUILT VANDERBILT ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT THEY DIDN'T REPLACE THE RAZZO, THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ON THE INSIDE. SO I THINK FOR YOU TO BRING IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION, TO THE BEST THAT CAN BE DONE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE APPROVALS FROM STAFF AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I, I REALLY COMMEND THAT YOU ARE FULLY RESTORING WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE, OUTSIDE AND INSIDE. THANK YOU. AND I APPRECIATE, THANK YOU. ONE MORE QUESTION. [01:55:01] YES. UM, MAD CHAIR, YOU SAID, YOU SAID THE MARTINI GLASS IS COMING BACK, BUT MAYBE NOT IN THE WAY THAT IT IS. SO WHAT'S HAPPENING, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS, LIKE THE MARTINI GLASS, RIGHT? WE, UNTIL THE NEW SLAB AND EVERYTHING'S PUT IN, WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T THINK IT COULD BE PUT BACK EXACTLY IN THE SAME SPOT. OKAY. WE MAY HAVE TO DO A REPLICA OF THE MARTINI GLASS, BUT WE HAVE PRESERVED IT, SO IT COULD BE PUT UP ON THE WALL, PUT SOMEWHERE ON THE SITE. THE, AS YOU YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EXISTING ONE THAT'S IN THE FLOOR, YOU HAVE REMOVED THAT AND PRESERVED IT. OKAY. NOW I FOLLOW. THAT'S GOT IT. OKAY. AND SO THAT MAY BE PRESENTED SOMEWHERE OR PUT BACK. EXACTLY. AND IF NOT PUT BACK, WOULD THERE BE A REPLICA OF IN YEAH. IN THE LOCATION. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE. YES. SO WHATEVER'S NOT PUT BACK LIKE THE MARTINI GLASS A REPLICA WOULD BE, BUT BECAUSE WE PRESERVED IT AT THE REQUESTED STAFF, WE COULD FRAME IT UP AND IT COULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THE, IN THE LOBBY, UH, THE ORIGINAL, YOU'LL SEE THE REPLICA ON THE GROUND. OKAY, PERFECT. YEAH, I WAS CONFUSED. I WAS LIKE, OH, WE'RE GETTING RID OF THE GLASSES. WE'RE PUTTING, WE'RE PUTTING IT ON THE WALL. OKAY. UM, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. UM, I GUESS WE CAN OPEN, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY BOARD DISCLOSURES? NO. NO. OKAY. UM, PUBLIC COMMENT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON ZOOM? UM, NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON ZOOM. OKAY. COMING UP. GOOD MORNING, MEG LUAU. DPL. UM, OUR COMMENTS THAT WE SENT TO YOU WERE WRITTEN OBVIOUSLY BEFORE SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S JUST BEEN SHARED. SO I'M GONNA AMEND WHAT I'M SAYING AS I GO. I APOLOGIZE IF IT'S NOT THE MOST ELOQUENT VERSION. UM, MDPL RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF THE STRUCTURAL STABILIZATION WORK BEING UNDERTAKEN AT THE RALEIGH RICHMOND AND SOUTH SEAS, AND STRONGLY SUPPORTS THE CONTINUED PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS WITHIN THE OCEAN DRIVE COLLINS AVENUE HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE WERE GREATLY CONCERNED BY THE REMOVAL OF THE HISTORIC BRAZO FLOORING. UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WAS DEEMED NECESSARY TO UNDERTAKE EMERGENCY STRUCTURAL AND FOUNDATION WORK TO STABILIZE THE BUILDINGS APPROVED AT THE STAFF LEVEL, AND THAT IT'S BEING BROUGHT BACK HERE FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED. UM, OUR QUESTION WAS, WHAT IS THE CITY GETTING IN RETURN FOR THE LOSS OF THIS HISTORIC MATERIAL? UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE PRESERVING A STRUCTURE LIKE THIS SOMETIMES REQUIRES THE UNAVOIDABLE REMOVAL OF AN ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE, BUT HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE A CORRESPONDING COMMITMENT TO RESTORATION RECONSTRUCTION OR ANOTHER MEANINGFUL PRESERVATION BENEFIT. AND OUR QUESTIONS WERE, WILL THE HISTORIC ZO PATTERNS AND MATERIALS BE DOCUMENTED AND REPLICATED? YES, THEY WILL. WILL TERRAZA BE RESTORED OR RECONSTRUCTED IN OTHER SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC AREAS OF THE HOTEL? YES, IT WILL. ARE THERE ADDITIONAL HISTORIC FEATURES THAT THE APPLICANT WILL COMMIT TO RESTORING AS PART OF THIS REQUEST HASN'T REALLY COME UP? UM, WE BELIEVE THAT YOU SHOULD PROVE THE AFTER THE FACT LOSS, UM, AND THAT THERE SHOULD BE A CLEAR AND TANGIBLE PRESERVATION COMMITMENT IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT. IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, AND HOPEFULLY WHAT WILL BE IN THE MOTION IS THAT THERE WILL BE A REQUIREMENT TO DO WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? I'M NONE IN LINE. OKAY. DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY FURTHER ONLY COMMENT I HAVE. MICHAEL, WERE YOU GONNA, UM, UH, CORRECT THE TYPOS ON THE ORDER? ? I'M SORRY. I GOT, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE SO WE HAD THE CORRECT ORDER. UM, DID, DID DEBBIE LEAVE YOU THE COPY? DO YOU NEED TO YEAH, DEBBIE GAVE ME THE COPY. OKAY. WITH THAT, UM, WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO ADD. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THIS APPLICATION. I'LL SECOND. SECOND, MR. BRESLIN? ALL ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. SIX TO ZERO. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESS, [FUTURE MEETING DATE REMINDER: October 13th, 2026] OUR NEXT MEETING IS OCTOBER 13TH, CORRECT? YES. MAKE A, MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. YOU CAN DONATE BY LUNCH TO CHARITY. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN AND, UH, SECOND BY DONATING LUNCH. SO WE'LL ADJOURN. THANKS. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.