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TODAY IS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2026.
UH, WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF HAVING THE MAYOR HERE AT THE LAND USE COMMITTEE.
UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN, ARE THERE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM ADMINISTRATION THAT NEED TO BE MADE? UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS.
UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ SOME PUBLIC NOTICES, MR. CITY ATTORNEY? SURE.
UM, TODAY'S MEETING OF THE LAND USE AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE WILL BE CONDUCTED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH THE COMMITTEE PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS AT MIAMI BEACH CITY HALL AND STAFF, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM.
TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY THE PUBLIC MAY DIAL 1-888-475-FOUR 4 9 9, AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 5 0 5 9 9 2 3 0 3 7 POUND, OR LOG INTO THE ZOOM APP AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH AGAIN IS 8 5 0 5 9 9 2 3 0 3 7.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM? LET'S CLICK TO RAISE HAND ICON IN THE ZOOM APP, OR DIAL STAR NINE IF YOU ARE PARTICIPATING BY PHONE.
[4. DISCUSS POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIPS WITH HIGHER EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS AND/OR NATIONAL PHILANTHROPIC ORGANIZATIONS TO STUDY AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE CITY’S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT RELATES TO LAND USE, INFRASTRUCTURE (WATER, SEWER, STORMWATER, AND ELECTRIC), PUBLIC SAFETY, AND TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY.]
SINCE WE'RE SO HONORED TO HAVE THE MAYOR HERE, HOW ABOUT WE GO TO ITEM FOUR? FOUR.SO THIS ITEM I BROUGHT, DO YOU WANNA HAVE THEM READ IT INTO THE RECORD? SURE, YEAH.
THIS IS DISCUSS POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIPS WITH HIGHER EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS AND OR NATIONAL PHILANTHROPIC ORGANIZATIONS TO STUDY AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT RELATES TO LAND USE INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER, SEWER, STORM WATER, AND ELECTRIC PUBLIC SAFETY, AND, UH, TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY.
YES, I, I BROUGHT THIS ITEM AS A REFERRAL TO EXPLORE, PARTNERING WITH, UH, UNIVERSITY OR PHILANTHROPIC ORGANIZATION TO STUDY OUR COMPREHENSIVE LAND ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES, LAND USE INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER, SEWER, STORM WATER.
AND THANK YOU TO COMMISSIONER MONICA MATEO SALINAS FOR CO-SPONSORING WITH ME.
SO, THE RECOMMENDATION MENTIONS CORRECTLY ABOUT LOOKING AT 2032 AND THE AMENDMENT PROCESS.
I THINK WHAT MY, WHAT MY, ADAM AND DEBBIE AND I TALKED BRIEFLY, UH, BEFORE AS WELL, IS LOOKING FOR JUST TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL PARTNERS.
I'M NOT LOOKING AT THIS POINT FOR A FUNDING SOURCE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE, UH, WE'VE BENEFITED GREATLY FROM WORKING WITH FIU, THE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI, HARVARD, COLUMBIA, THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE.
UH, AND, AND SOME OF THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THROUGH GRANT FUNDING, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, WITH BLOOMBERG.
SO REALLY TO IDENTIFY ORGANIZATIONS, UNIVERSITIES, UH, CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY PARTNER WITH THAT WE CAN GET, UH, SOME STUDIES TO OVERLOOK, WHICH HAVE BEEN HELPFUL TO US IN THE PAST WITHOUT ANY EXPENDITURES FROM THE CITY.
DEBBIE? UM, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
SO WE HAD, UM, YOU, YOU EXPLAINED IT VERY WELL.
UH, WE DO UPDATE, UM, AS REQUIRED BY STATE STATUTE, THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EVERY SEVEN YEARS.
WE DID IT LAST IN, UH, THIS PAST YEAR.
HOWEVER, IT WAS NOT A VERY COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE, UM, THIS PAST YEAR.
SO WE DID IDENTIFY, UM, A FEW ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE HAVE EXISTING RELATIONSHIPS WITH, UH, INCLUDING THE, THE, THE INSTITUTIONS THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED.
UM, AND WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT WE MAYBE DIG A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO THE SPECIFICS OF EACH ORGANIZATION, REACH OUT TO THEM, SEE IF THEY HAVE, UM, ANY IDEAS OR MORE SPECIFICS AS TO IF THERE ARE POTENTIAL, UH, GRANT GRANTS AVAILABLE, UM, THAT THEY THINK THIS WOULD FIT INTO.
AND WE COULD BRING THIS BACK TO YOU IN NOVEMBER.
TO THE COMMITTEE OR TO THE FULL COMMISSION? I'M, I COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE, RIGHT? YEP.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THANK YOU, CHAIR.
LET'S LET THESE LOBBYISTS MAKE THEIR MONEY.
[1. CONSIDER COMMISSIONING AN UPDATED TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH]
ABOUT CONSIDER, UH, NUMBER ONE? OKAY, MR. CHAIR.UH, NUMBER ONE IS CONSIDER COMMISSIONING AN UPDATED TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.
AND THIS WAS REQUESTED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER LAURA DOMINGUEZ AND COMMISSIONER BOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ IS ON ZOOM.
UM, COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ, IF YOU'RE ON, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND, MR. CHAIR.
COMMISSIONER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE IT AWAY? HI, EVERYBODY.
SO, UH, THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT THIS FORWARD IS IN THE LAST FEW MEETINGS THAT I'VE HAD WITH TRANSPORTATION ON A VARIETY OF THINGS,
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THEY KEEP MENTIONING HOW OLD THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN IS.IT'S OVER 10 YEARS OLD, AND IT MAY BE TIME TO LOOK AT SOMETHING, UH, FRESH.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THIS ITEM FORWARD.
AND, UH, HAPPY TO HEAR FROM THE TRANSPORTATION TEAM TO HEAR THEIR THOUGHTS AND ALSO GET THE THOUGHTS OF YOUR COMMITTEE.
SO, JOSE, MAYBE THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UM, THE ITEM.
JOSE GONZALEZ, TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR.
UM, HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THE UPDATE OF THE 2016 TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN IS ALREADY ONGOING.
UM, WE, WE SPLIT THE EFFORT UP INTO TWO PARTS, PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO.
PHASE ONE IS ESSENTIALLY AN UPDATE, UM, A, A REFRESHER OF THE 10-YEAR-OLD PLAN.
UM, WE'VE DONE A LOT SINCE 2016.
WE'VE IMPLEMENTED OVER 40 MILES OF GREEN BICYCLE LANES, SHARED USE PATHS, OUR TROLLEY SYSTEM, FREEBIE SERVICES, MANY, MANY SERVICES, BUT IT IS DUE TIME TO UPDATE OUR MASTER PLAN.
THEREFORE, UM, AS I, AS I WAS MENTIONING, PHASE ONE IS KIND OF LIKE, WHERE ARE WE TODAY? WHAT HAVE WE DONE, WHAT HAVEN'T WE DONE? WE'VE DISCOVERED THAT ABOUT 74% OF ALL THE PROJECTS IN THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, THE ONE 10 YEARS AGO, HAVE EITHER BEEN COMPLETED, UM, ARE UNDERWAY AS PART OF LARGER RESILIENCE PROJECTS OR STORE OR NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, OR ARE NOT, OR ARE DETERMINED TO NOT BE FEASIBLE.
A LOT OF THE PROJECTS STARTED WITH FEASIBILITY ANALYSES TO DETERMINE IF IT WOULD BE FEASIBLE TO UNDERTAKE THAT PROJECT IN THE PROJECT BANK.
AND, UM, A VARIETY OF PROJECTS FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, WHETHER IT WOULD NEED TO ELIMINATE PARKING, WHICH WAS ESSENTIAL TO THE COMMUNITY, OR ELIMINATE A TRAVEL LANE OR THE, OR FOR WHATEVER, UH, REASON WAS FOUND NOT TO BE FEASIBLE.
BUT, UH, SO IT'S, UM, I THINK WE'RE AT A GOOD POINT TO REFRESH AND NOT JUST REFRESH, BUT COMPREHENSIVELY UPDATE OUR, YEAH, WE STILL, WE STILL HAVE A HIERARCHY OF PEDESTRIANS MICRO MOBILITY THAN CARS.
RIGHT? WE DO OUR, THE ADOPTED MODAL HIERARCHY, UH, STILL ADOPTED AS OF TODAY IS PEDESTRIANS FIRST BICYCLES, TRANSIT AND FREIGHT, DEPENDING ON THE CORRIDOR SECOND AND PRIVATE VEHICLES LAST.
THAT'S STILL THE MODAL PRIORITIZATION THAT OUR TRANSPORTATION PLAN IS BUILT ON AS PART OF THE SECOND PHASE OF THE UPDATE WE WILL BRING BEFORE, UM, WE'LL COME BACK BEFORE THIS BODY AND ULTIMATELY BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION TO DETERMINE IF WE SHOULD KEEP THAT MODAL PRIORITIZATION OR IF IT SHOULD BE A DIFFERENT MODAL PRIORITIZATION FOR CITY GOING FORWARD.
WELL, I THINK EVERYONE APPEARS IN AGREEMENT THAT WE LIKE THE HIERARCHY AS IT IS.
I MEAN, I'M OUTNUMBERED HERE,
WELL, I, I WOULD SAY, I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS HIERARCHY, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE POLICIES THAT DICTATE PARKING IN OUR CITY.
AND THAT, AND THAT ESTIMATE, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LESS PARKING, JOSE, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THAT ALSO AFFECTS THE TRAFFIC COUNTS, UM, AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
AND SO ARE WE MAKING DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS, UM, THAT AFFECT, YOU KNOW, PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC COUNTS ON PROJECTS BASED ON A TRANSPORTATION MODEL THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY REFLECTING THE WAY PEOPLE IN OUR CITY ARE REALLY GETTING AROUND.
UM, AND THAT'S, AND THAT IS THE ONE CONCERN I'VE ALWAYS HAD WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION, UH, MASTER PLAN THAT IT PLACES VEHICLES AS LAST IN THE PRIORITY WHEN, WHEN I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MOVED TO MIAMI BEACH OVER THE PAST DECADE DO RELY ON A VEHICLE AS THEIR MAIN SOURCE OF TRANSPORTATION.
I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE, OF THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT HAVE MOVED INTO OUR CITY OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS SINCE THE LAST, UM, MASTER PLAN, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT OCCASIONALLY HAVE RECREATIONALLY AND FOR SHORT DISTANCES USE A BICYCLE AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN APPROPRIATE THEY MIGHT ENGAGE IN PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY.
BUT I THINK EVERYONE'S MAIN SOURCE OF, OR THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE'S MAIN SOURCE OF TRANSPORTATION CONTINUES TO BE, UM, CONTINUES TO BE CARS.
AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT TRAFFIC OR VEHICLE COUNTS ARE SOMEHOW INFLUENCED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BY THIS, I DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SENSITIVITY, UM, SO THAT, SO THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WHEN WE MAKE DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS.
YEAH, I AND I, ONE SECOND, AND
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THEN I PUT IT, I THINK IT, I BELIEVE IT PASSED.I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S STILL IN COMMISSION, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK ANY MORE THAN THREE PARKING SPACES THAT GETS REMOVED OR THAT GETS PROPOSED OR REMOVED, BUT IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY US, THE CITY COMMISSION.
SO I KNOW THAT, THAT THAT'S A STICKING POINT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
UH, COMMISSIONER BOT, THANK YOU.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE CITY WAS BUILT FOR CARS.
I MEAN, WE ARE BUILT, VERY BUILT OVERBUILT ENVIRONMENT, AND CARS ARE THE PRIMARY PREDOMINANT, UM, MODE OF TRANSPORTATION AND WHAT EXISTS ALREADY FOR THEM.
UM, I THINK IN ORDER TO EFFECTUATE CHANGE, YOU HAVE TO FACILITATE CHANGE.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO USE DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION.
SO I WAS SPENDING A, AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY ON UPGRADING OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM.
LIMITED, THOUGH IT IS, IS AN UPGRADE, IT WILL WORK BETTER, MORE CONSISTENTLY, MORE RELIABLY.
SO HOPEFULLY MORE PEOPLE WILL FEEL COMFORTABLE TO USE OUR TROLLEYS, KNOWING THAT THEY'LL GET WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
WE INCREASE THE INVESTMENT IN FREEBIES, UM, MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE ALTERNATE MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION CAN USE IT.
AND WE ARE, UM, WORKING VERY HARD TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE THE NUM, THE MILEAGE, THE 40 PLUS MILES OF, OF BIKE LANES AND SHARED USE PATHS THAT WE HAVE, AND MAKE IT SAFER FOR PEOPLE TO USE THINGS OTHER THAN CARS.
UM, SO I, I SHARE THEM CONCERN THAT WE, WE DON'T WANT TO PENALIZE CARS, UM, AND PEOPLE USING THEM, BUT IF WE WANT TO EFFECTUATE CHANGE, WE HAVE TO PUT POLICIES IN PLACE THAT MAKE THAT HAPPEN, RIGHT? WHETHER IT'S REQUIRING A SMALLER PARKING PEDESTAL FOR FEWER SPOTS, WHETHER IT'S, UM, BUILDINGS THAT GET APPROVAL, MAKING USE OF THEIR GARAGE SPACES FOR RESIDENTS OF THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO, TO MAXIMIZE PARKING SPOTS, UM, THAT ARE AVAILABLE WITHOUT TAKING UP MORE ON STREET PARKING.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT ANYONE IS AT RISK OF, OF LOSING SIGHT THAT CARS ARE THE DOMINANT WAY OF GETTING AROUND TOWN AND THAT THE CITY IS BUILT FOR THEM.
AND SO I I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF CHANGING THE PRIORITIES.
UM, YEAH, I, I, I, AND I PUT MORE MILES ON MY SCOOTER THAN MY CAR
UM, BUT NOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, JUST TO END OFF, HAS THERE BEEN ANY UPDATE TO THE MARITIME TRANSPORTATION, LIKE WITH THE WATER TAXI? HAS THAT BEEN UPDATED INTO THE MASTER PLAN? IT IT, WELL, IT'S, IT WATER TAXI IS THE NEWEST ADDITION TO OUR TRANSPORTATION PORTFOLIO.
IT WAS NOT CONTEMPLATED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN, BUT IT CERTAINLY WILL BE A PART OF THE NEW MASTER PLAN GOING FORWARD, PARTICULARLY EXPANSIONS TO OUR CURRENT, UH, WATER TAXI SERVICE.
WE ALWAYS ENVISIONED, UM, SERVICE, NOT JUST EAST AND WEST, CONNECTING US TO THE MAINLAND, BUT ALSO NORTH AND SOUTH, NORTH, NORTH AND SOUTH, AND EVEN ALONG THE INDIAN CREEK WATERWAY.
WELL, I KNOW COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ, THIS IS HER ITEM IF SHE WANTS TO PUT AMENDMENTS FOR THAT.
AND I KNOW COMM MAYOR MINOR IS BIG ON THE WATERWAY.
I, I'VE CO-SPONSORED SEVERAL, UH, MARINE ITEMS. UM, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND IF IT'S A WILL OF YOUR COMMISSION, SOMEBODY ON THERE, MAYBE THE CO-SPONSOR, UH, COMMISSIONER BACH CAN MOVE IT TO THE FULL COMMISSION.
[2. DISCUSS SETTING PARAMETERS FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO PRESENT CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS TO THE CITY ADMINISTRATION AND CITY COMMISSION, AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO INVOKING THE PREEMPTIONS IN THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, TO ENCOURAGE LONG-TERM NON-TRANSIENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT (INCLUDING WORKFORCE HOUSING) THAT IS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.]
MAGAZINE IS IN THE AUDIENCE THERE BEING ALL SHY.UM, HOW ABOUT WE CALL NUMBER TWO, MR. CHAIR? UH, NUMBER TWO IS DISCUSS SETTING PARAMETERS FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS TO PRESENT CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS TO THE CITY ADMINISTRATION AND CITY COMMISSION AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO INVOKING THE PREEMPTIONS IN THE LIVE LOCAL ACT TO ENCOURAGE LONG-TERM NON-TRANSIENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING WORKFORCE HOUSING THAT IS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOUR, WHAT ARE YOUR IDEAS HERE? SO THIS BECOMES MORE CONSEQUENTIAL EVERY SINGLE DAY AS WE SEE MORE LIVE LOCAL PROJECTS THAT ARE SUBMITTED THAT ARE JUST COMPLETELY OUT OF SCALE, OUT OF CHARACTER WITH OUR CITY.
UM, IT SEEMS WITHIN THE PAST MONTH, PERHAPS WHILE WE FEARED THEY WERE COMING, SEEING THEM ACTUALLY COME TO FRUITION AS APPLICATIONS UP AND DOWN ALTON ROAD, UH, ON THE WATERFRONT ON SOME OF OUR HISTORIC HOTELS.
UH, THERE WAS ONE APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND, AND DEBBIE STOP, YOU KNOW, UH, OR CHIME IN AT ANY TIME AT THE SITE OF THE SAVOY, QUITE LITERALLY, I THOUGHT THEY PUT IT IN AI AND SAID, MAKE SOMETHING SO EGREGIOUS.
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IT GETS PEOPLE'S ATTENTION.SO WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SIT HERE AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT.
IT JUST LOOKED SO UNCHARACTERISTIC AND ALMOST CARTOONISH ALIGNED WITH OUR CITY.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS IS ALL GOING.
UM, WE HAVE A NEED FOR ATTAINABLE HOUSING THAT WE'VE, UH, TALKED ABOUT FOR SOME TIME IN REGURGITATING, UH, THAT FOR NUMEROUS YEARS.
BUT SEEING THIS COME DOWN WITH THE PROJECTS, THE MAJORITY OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE, HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED UNDER LIVE LOCAL, UH, JUST DON'T FALL WITHIN THE CHARACTERISTICS OF OUR CITY.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT IS MORE REASONABLE.
AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING, UH, THAT'LL BE SET UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS JUST FOR THIS TO GET MORE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
BUT I, I GUESS WE CAN SIT HERE AND, AND TAKE TWO APPROACHES.
ONE IS CROSSING OUR FINGERS AND HOPING THESE DON'T COME TO FRUITION, RIGHT? BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION IS TOO EXPENSIVE, OR THESE NUMBERS DON'T PENCIL DAD IS DOING NOTHING MORE THAN HOPING OR WISHING, OR WE COULD COME TO THE TABLE AND SAY, IF NOT THIS, THEN WHAT? AND THE AMENDMENT THEY GOT PASSED IN THIS PAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION MADE THAT JOB INFINITELY MORE DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY IN THE ALTON ROAD CORRIDOR.
AND WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT? UH, THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENT REFERENCED A CERTAIN HEIGHT WHERE IN MANY PARTS OF THE CITY IT WOULD, THE TALLEST YOU COULD BUILD UNDER LIVE LOCAL WAS 300 FEET.
THIS AMENDMENT, ESPECIALLY IN THE SOUTH BEACH AREA, BROUGHT FIVE PARKIN AS A REFERENCE POINT THAT ALLOWED 500 FEET TO BUILD.
SO THERE'S PROJECTS OUT THERE FOR 500 FEET, AND THE PROJECT SPONSOR WILL COME AND SAY, WELL, IF NOT 500, HOW ABOUT 400? THAT'S NOT PERSONALLY NOR POLITICALLY PALATABLE TO ME.
SO HAVING THAT 500 FEET AS ALMOST THE NUCLEAR OPTION REALLY TIES OUR HANDS EVEN FURTHER, UM, BECAUSE THAT AREA OF COMPROMISE BECOMES EVEN MORE UNFEASIBLE.
THERE'S SO MANY OF THESE PROJECTS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO IT ON A ONE-ON-ONE BASIS OR WE DO MORE, SOMETHING MORE COMPREHENSIVE.
MY DREAM WOULD BE LOBBYING TALLAHASSEE AND SAYING, PLEASE CONSIDER, WE AGREE ON THE NEED TO INCREASE HOUSING SUPPLY, ALLOW COMMUNITY, A LOCAL COMMUNITY TO SUBMIT THEIR OWN HOUSING PLAN.
AND IF THAT IS ADEQUATE, THEY CAN BE OPTED OUT OF LIVE LOCAL THAT IS WORTH THE PAPER THAT IT'S WRITTEN ON.
AND THAT'S NOT NOTHING, UM, THAT'S A DREAM.
AND WE CAN'T HOLD OUR HATS TO THAT.
UH, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUES.
I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC PLAN IN MIND.
UM, AGAIN, IT COULD BE LET'S DIG OUR HEELS IN AND LET'S SUE AND LET'S FIGHT AND LET'S MAKE SURE THIS NEVER HAPPENS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S FEASIBLE, BECAUSE THE MORE WE DO THAT, THE WORSE THIS BILL HAS GOTTEN.
BUT THERE'S ALSO PROBABLY NOW TOO MANY PROJECTS WHERE WE SIT HERE AND MAKE UNILATERAL COMPROMISES, UH, WITH EACH OF THEM.
BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO AT LEAST BE FORTHCOMING WITH OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD BE EXPECT, WHAT WE SHOULD BE EXPECTING.
AND THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN JUST IN RECENT WEEKS, UH, FAR SURPASSES EVEN WHAT I WAS, UM, FEARING.
MAYBE DEBBIE, YOU COULD, YOU COULD TELL US, ARE SOME, IS SOME OF THIS FEAR MONGERING? ARE THESE FEASIBLE? ARE WE REALLY GONNA HAVE SIX, 500 FOOT TOWERS ON ALTON ROAD AND ONE ON THE OCEAN? I WOULD GUESS THAT THE PROJECTS ON THE OCEAN, BECAUSE WHAT THEY CAN SELL THE MARKET RATE UNITS ON ARE MORE FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF A PROJECT ON ALTON ROAD WHERE YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE 40% WORKFORCE HOUSING ON A SMALL LOT IS FEASIBLE WITH TODAY'S CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND INTEREST RATES.
WE'RE JUST KIND OF WISHING FOR SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOME TYPE OF PLAN THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH THAT WE ESSENTIALLY GET TO STEER THIS IN OUR DIRECTION.
UM, AND I HATE TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE ABOUT THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, I HAVE, EVERYONE KNOWS I HAVE THIS WASHINGTON UE PLANT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR TWO YEARS, AND LO AND BEHOLD, DEBBIE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THERE ARE TWO POSSIBLE SITES ON WASHINGTON WITHIN THAT CORRIDOR OF, OF MY PROPOSED OVERLAY THAT ARE LIVE LOCAL APPLICATIONS.
AND YES, HOW, HOW HIGH CAN THEY GO? SO THEY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED FOR EITHER OF THESE SITES, BUT I HAVE MET WITH, AND SOME OF MY STAFF HAVE MET WITH THE, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVES FOR, UH, THE BLOCK BETWEEN 15TH AND 16TH ON THE WEST SIDE OF, OF
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WASHINGTON AVENUE.AND ALSO THE, THAT'S ACROSS FROM THE POST OFFICE? UM, NO, IT'S NORTH OF THAT.
UM, THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE THE, IT'S BETWEEN WASHINGTON AND DREXEL.
YOU HAVE THE RO IT'S SOUTH OF OH, YES.
SO SOUTH OF THE, THE, SAY HOUSE PARKING GARAGE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE, THE BLOCK BETWEEN 12TH AND 13TH, ALSO ON THE WEST SIDE OF WASHINGTON, WHICH WAS THE OLD RISHI KOR SITE.
NOW, AGAIN, THERE WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY APPLICATIONS FORMALLY, UM, BUT WE'VE MET WITH THEM, UH, THE, THE DEVELOPER FOR BOTH SITES AND BOTH, UH, TIMES THEY HAVE IT STATED THAT THEIR DESIRE FOR A LIVE LOCAL PROJECT, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS WITHIN THE, UM, NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, WHICH WE GOT THROUGH OUR LOBBYISTS, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO THE TALLEST HEIGHT WITHIN THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE.
UM, IN THE, IN THE CASE OF THE 1200 BLOCK, I BELIEVE THE FIVE PARK IS WITHIN THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE 500 FEET.
THE NORTHERN PROPERTY WOULD DEFAULT TO THE, UM, CONVENTION CENTER ZONING, WHICH IS 300 FEET.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE, I MEAN, AT LEAST JUST FOR WASHINGTON AVENUE, THERE'S ALREADY AN ALTERNATIVE THAT I'M PROPOSING WHERE HOPEFULLY THESE, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'D RATHER BE A GOOD MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY.
THIS GOT PASSED WITH THE COMMISSION, AND THIS IS MORE PALPABLE OF WHAT IS PROPER FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA THAN, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER MONOLITHIC BUILDING IN THE HEART OF FLAMINGO PARK.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANTS THAT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ASKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF YOU'RE THROWING IDEAS OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ HAS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON LIVE BETTER FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, AND THAT'S STILL IN THE IDEA PHASE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, LOOK, I, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR HOUSING.
WE CAN'T BE IN A COMBATIVE STATE WITH THE COMBATIVE, YOU KNOW, RELATIONSHIP WITH THE STATE.
I THINK IT'S BETTER TO BE WORKING WITH THE STATE THAN AGAINST THEM.
UH, DEBBIE, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
WE DOWN ZONE THE CITY IN PREPARATION FOR LIVE LOCAL, RIGHT? WELL, NOT QUITE.
WE, WE WERE ABLE TO, RIGHT AFTER THE INITIAL LIVE, LOCAL LEGISLATION WAS ADOPTED BY THE STATE.
AND WHAT YEAR WAS THAT? REDUCE THE HEIGHT, NICK.
WHAT YEAR WAS THE FIRST ROUND? 20 20 23.
SO AFTER THAT, WE DID REDUCE HEIGHTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UM, THEN THE NEXT SESSION, WE WERE ACTUALLY PREEMPTED FROM THAT.
AND THE STATE, UH, DEFAULTED TO ANY HEIGHT THAT WAS ZONED PRIOR TO 2023.
SO, BUT ON, ON, ON THE BOOKS IN MIAMI BEACH WE'RE, WE'VE, WE'RE STILL DOWN ZONED, CORRECT? YES.
WHAT ABOUT FA? NO, THE A REMAINED, UM, REMAINED THE SAME.
WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T REDUCE FAR AS PART OF THE, AND WAS THERE LIKE A RULE OF THUMB FOR THE HEIGHT, OR WAS IT JUST ACROSS THE BOARD? YOU KNOW, WE CHOSE 150 FEET, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S KIND OF BETWEEN A, A MODERATE MID-RISE AND, UH, IN GETTING TO A HIGH RISE.
SO THAT'S CONSISTENT EVEN WITH SOME OF OUR HISTORIC PROPERTIES ON THE WATERFRONT.
UM, 150 FEET IS RELATIVELY IN CONTEXT, AGAIN, PRIMARILY WITH THE WATERFRONT AREAS OF THE CITY.
UM, ONCE YOU GET INLAND, YOU SEE THE SCALE START, START TO BE LOWERED.
BUT WE FELT THAT 150 FEET FOR, FOR SOME PROPERTIES WOULD BE REASONABLE.
AGAIN, WITH THE BALANCE, WHAT IT OF, OF CREATING MORE HOUSING? WHAT WAS IT BEFORE? WELL, IT WAS DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, WE HAVE UP TO 200 FEET IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY ALONG THE OCEAN.
UM, WE HAD OCEAN TERRACE THAT WAS ABLE TO GET A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
THE MAJORITY OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS INLAND, LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT FLAMINGO PARK, WE HAVE A 35 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT.
UM, SOME OF THE OTHER LOW SCALE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, LIKE IN THE RM TWO ARE BETWEEN 50 AND 65 FEET.
SO IT'S PRIMARILY ALONG THE WATERFRONT WHERE WE SEE THE, THE A HUNDRED TO 200 FEET ALLOWED IN CERTAIN AREAS.
WHAT'S ON ALTON ALTON ROAD? UM, IS A, IT DEPENDS IF YOU'RE WHAT SIDE OF THE STREET YOU'RE ON, BUT IT'S BETWEEN 50 AND 65 FEET PRIMARILY.
AND THAT WOULD BE NORTH OF FIFTH STREET.
THERE'S A DIFFERENT ZONING CATEGORIES.
WELL, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A DISCUSSION TO KEEP ON HAVING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONER BOT YOU WANTED TO ADD TO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS? NOPE, I'M GOOD.
CAN I ASK DEBBIE, NOT HOLDING YOU TO ANYTHING? HOW FEASIBLE ARE SOME OF THESE? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT, THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
I AM NOT, YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPER, BUT LET
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ME JUST, JUST SO, BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE REACHING OUT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND I IT IS TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE THAT PEOPLE HAVE ANXIETY THAT HAS HAPPENED FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN RECENTLY, LIKE, IN A TREMENDOUS WAY.BECAUSE WHAT I'VE NOTICED, AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SENDING ME, THERE'S THESE NEW INSTAGRAM ACCOUNTS THAT ARE AI ACCOUNTS.
WE HAD A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST FOR ALL OF OUR APPLICATIONS.
WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 19 APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED BETWEEN 2020, THE, THE EARLY 2024 AND TODAY.
AND THESE, THESE AI BOTS JUST TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND CREATE INSTAGRAM PAGES.
SO IT'S KIND OF THIS ROTATING.
HERE'S THE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THE 19.
THERE ARE FOUR THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, AND THERE ARE SEVEN THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW.
THE REST OF THEM HAVE JUST BEEN HANGING OUT FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.
WE'VE WERE CONSIDERING THEM ABANDONED.
UM, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE DEVELOPER, OR THE DEVELOPER NEVER ACTUALLY FOLLOWED THROUGH.
THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED ARE NOT EGREGIOUS YET.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY HAVE, WE HAVE SEVERAL THAT HAVE APPLIED FOR THE 519 FEET.
RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE THE ONE ON 1575 ALTON ROAD.
UM, AGAIN, THAT ONE IS SO EARLY ON, IT'S NOT A SERIOUS EVEN REVIEW FOR PLANNING YET.
UM, THE ONE LOCATED AT, UM, 8 24 ALTON ROAD IS ALSO OVER 500 FEET.
UM, THE ONE AT THE BOY, WHERE'S THAT, WHERE'S THAT ONE IN THE PROCESS? 8 24 ALTON ROAD IS NEARING APPROVAL.
YEAH, THAT'S IMMINENTLY GOING TO BE APPROVED.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING, NOW, I WILL SAY THESE ARE APPROVED WITH VERY STRINGENT CONDITIONS ALONG THE ALTON ROAD CORRIDOR.
WE HAVE A SEVERE DEFICIENCY WITH OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR WATER AND SEWER.
PEOPLE CANNOT BUILD THESE CURRENTLY.
OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, JOHN NORRIS, SAID YOU'RE AT, WE'RE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURCHARGE ON YES.
THE LIVE LOCAL ACT DOES NOT PREEMPT THE CITY FROM ENFORCING OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE.
THAT'S, THAT'S ADOPTED IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WATER AND SEWER IS THE CRITICAL COMPONENT.
IT'S DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY.
THIS ALTON ROAD CORRIDOR, UM, ESPECIALLY SOUTH OF, OF 16TH STREET, IS OVERTAXED RIGHT NOW AND WOULD NEED SERIOUS INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES.
SO THE DEVELOPER WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO SPEND CAPITAL TO UPGRADE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IF THIS WERE TO BE PUT FORWARD.
BUT LET ME ASK YOU, I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW YET.
I KNOW THE CITY MANAGER'S WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, UM, FOR THE PORTION OF ALTON ROAD.
IT, IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN TERMS OF THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
WHAT PROPORTION OF THAT EACH OF THESE PROJECTS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PAY OR CONSTRUCT IS, I THINK STILL BEING, BEING, BECAUSE A 500 FOOT TOWER, IT'S GONNA HAVE A, A SELLOUT VALUE OF OVER A BILLION DOLLARS.
SO EVEN IF IT'S $25 MILLION, IT'S A ROUNDING ERROR.
SO, UM, WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING THESE LIFT LOCAL APPLICATIONS FOR CONCURRENCY, AND IF THEY'RE NOT MEETING CONCURRENCY, WE JUST CAN'T DENY THESE APPLICATIONS.
IS THAT CORRECT? AS A, AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL, WE CAN CONDITION THEM, BUT WE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY DENY AN APPLICATION BECAUSE THE STATE LAW PROHIBITS US FROM DENYING THE APPLICATION EVEN FOR, FOR CONCURRENCY.
THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE'RE LOOKING INTO RIGHT NOW WITH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
NICK, IF YOU COULD GUIDE US ON THAT.
SO A, A PROJECT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS WHERE WE ESTABLISH OUR LEVELS OF SERVICE FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, THE, THE QUESTION I THINK IS, COULD WE DENY AN APPLICATION, UM, BECAUSE A PROJECT IS INCONSISTENT, AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, A DEVELOPER HAS THE OPTION TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS OR FUND ITS PROPORTIONATE CHAIR OF THE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THAT'S WHERE HE HAS THE OPTION.
BUT THIS IS, BUT CAN THE CITY, CAN THE CITY DENY THE APPLICATION? UM, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
I THINK RIGHT NOW FOR THESE APPLICATIONS ON ALTON ROAD IN PARTICULAR, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL EVALUATING WHAT EXACTLY THE CAPITAL NEEDS ARE, UM, AND, AND WHAT THE COST WILL BE AND WHAT EACH PROJECT'S SHARE OF THAT COST WILL BE.
UM, BUT I COULDN'T SAY RIGHT NOW OFF THE CUFF WHETHER ANY ONE OF THOSE COULD BE DENIED.
'CAUSE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CAN TOLERATE, NOT ONLY UNDERGROUND THE INFRASTRUCTURE ABOVE GROUND INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THIS IS PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IN TALLAHASSEE WHEN WE'VE BEEN ARGUING THIS.
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YOU'RE ADDING ALL OF THIS POPULATION AND DENSITY, AND LET'S JUST THINK SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY, YOU HAVE, YOU NEED TO DO AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION OF, OF THE CITY.AND YOU HAVE EMERGENCY ROUTES.
YOU HAVE YOUR CAUSEWAYS, YOUR CAUSEWAYS ARE OPERATING AT NEARLY A FAILING LEVEL OF SERVICE.
AT WHAT POINT ARE WE ABLE, AT WHAT POINT ARE WE ABLE TO DENY, DENY THESE APPLICATIONS IN THESE AREAS WHERE ABOVEGROUND AND UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN WELL DOCUMENTED TO BE BELOW THE ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE? AND THAT SHOULD BE, AND, AND, AND IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING OBJECTIVE.
I MEAN, IF, BECAUSE YOU'RE EITHER, YOU EITHER MAKE CONCURRENCY OR YOU DON'T.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S, I MEAN, THE LAW'S A LAW, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK IT'S SUBJECTIVE TO EACH CASE BY CASE.
MAYBE YOU CAN BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
YOU KNOW, WE WILL KEEP THIS ON FOR THE NEXT, 'CAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS A BIG TOPIC THAT MORE APPLICATIONS ARE GONNA COME THROUGH AND MAYBE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, RED LINE OF WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY IS ACCEPTABLE AND WHAT'S NOT.
YEAH, I, UM, THE REASON I DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY ON THIS TOPIC IS BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT TO SAY ON THIS TOPIC, AND I PREFER TO NOT DO IT IN AN OPEN FORUM LIKE THIS BECAUSE, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO EFFECTUATE CHANGE AT THE STATE LEVEL.
SO, UM, I SHARE THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN VOICED HERE.
I THINK THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE CHANGES FOR THE GOOD.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION ONCE WE SEE KIND OF WHICH WAY THE WIND IS BLOWING IN TALLAHASSEE OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE THE ONLY MUNICIPALITY THAT HAS REAL PROBLEMS WITH THE WAY THIS OVERLY BROAD, UM, POTENTIALLY WELL-INTENDED LAW WAS PUT INTO PLACE AND THE DELETERIOUS EFFECTS IT'S HAVING ON COMMUNITIES AROUND THE STATE.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO BE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW TO AFFECT WEIGHT CHANGE TO PROTECT ALL OF US.
SO, DEBBIE, ARE WE, ARE WE GONNA WAKE UP ONE DAY AND THERE'S A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND? WELL, NOT ANYTIME SOON, BECAUSE NO ONE HAS EVEN FILED FOR A BUILDING PERMIT FOR ANY OF THESE.
SO WHEN, WHEN WE REVIEW THE SITE PLAN, WE REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS, SITE PLANNING, UM, YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING, LANDSCAPE PLANS, UH, TRANSPORTATION REVIEW.
BUT A BUT A FULL BUILDING PERMIT FOR ONE OF THESE PROJECTS IS A MASSIVE ENDEAVOR.
IS IS THE SVO ANYWHERE CLOSE TO A FULL BUILDING PERMIT? THEY HAVE NO, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED ONCE FOR SITE PLAN REVIEW.
I THINK WE ISSUED COMMENTS BACK IN EARLY JULY, AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY A LOT OF THESE REVIEWS HAVE BEEN GONE.
AND ONE FINAL QUESTION BEFORE WE WE MOVE ON.
IF THEY HAVE STARTED THE PROCESS, AND LET'S SAY TALLAHASSEE CHANGES THE LAW, DO THEY SORT OF GET GRANDFATHERED IN IF THEY DON'T HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT YET SINCE THEY STARTED THE PROCESS? OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
SO, BECAUSE IF, IF, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE INQUIRING, IF, IF THEY'VE SUBMITTED ANY SORT OF FORMAL APPLICATION TO START THE PROCESS AND THE LAW GETS CHANGED, ARE THEY SORT OF GRANDFATHERED INTO, YOU KNOW, THE PREEXISTING LAW IF IT WERE TO CHANGE? SO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU ARE NOT VESTED IN AN APPROVAL UNTIL YOU HAVE A LAND USE BOARD ORDER OR A BUILDING PERMIT.
UM, IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A CHANGE IN STATE LAW, THE STATE LEGISLATURE MAY TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND MAY CARVE OUT APPLICATIONS WHERE THAT WERE SUBMITTED PRIOR TO A CERTAIN DATE.
UM, SO IT, IT REALLY WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THAT LEGISLATIVE, WHAT THAT LEGISLATION SAYS.
SO WITH THE SPONSOR, CAN WE KEEP THIS AS A, A MOVING, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD DISCUSS THIS PROBABLY EVERY MONTH.
I MEAN, JUST ONE LAST QUESTION.
WHO'S THE SPONSOR FOR THE ONE ON ALTON ROAD? THE, THE ONE THAT YOU SAID WAS AN EIGHTH AND ALTON CAL A SCALD? MM-HMM
I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE MINDFUL, LIKE THE AUTHORITY THAT WE HAVE WHEN WE GET REQUESTS FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM INTERESTED PARTIES, UH, FOR OTHER ZONING CONSIDERATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD USE IS OUR, IS OUR DISCRETION ON WHAT WE SPONSOR AND DON'T SPONSOR WHEN, AND THERE'S STUFF LIKE THIS GOING ON.
WHO WAS IT? UM, JOHN STIMMEL IS, HAS, HEY, JOHN, YOU GOT TWO MINUTES.
UH, IN, IN THE CONVERSATION, I JUST, UH, WANTED TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, FIRE PARK GETS BROUGHT UP A LOT AND, UH, TO ME, UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, THE, THE WORST THINGS ON FIRE PARK IS THE PARKING PLATFORM.
AND THAT NEVER SEEMS TO GET TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, UH, BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR SOME REASON, I REMEMBER
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GAL SAYING, OH, WE NEED ALL THIS PARKING AND EVERYTHING, BUT YOU GO OVER THERE NOW ASK ANYBODY THERE, IT'S ONE THIRD USED, TWO THIRDS EMPTY.AND REALLY THE WHOLE REASON FOR THOSE PARKING PERMITS, I EVEN SPOKE, YOU KNOW, SHOWING THAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR MORE CARS PER, PER APARTMENT THAN THE CONTINUUM OR ANY OF OUR BUILDINGS HAD.
UH, BUT IT GOT PERMITTED, YOU KNOW, WITH THE IDEA THAT GAL BASICALLY WANTS, WANTED TO MAKE THAT POOL DECK.
AND THE AMENITY AREA IS SO BIG, AND IT'S ACTUALLY TOO BIG FOR, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN YOU TALK TO THE PEOPLE AT FIRE PARK, IT'S TOO BIG FOR THE BUILDING.
AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN SO MUCH BETTER THAT THE TOWER IS NOT, IS NOT AS BAD AS THE, AS THE PLATFORM IS.
HAD THAT PLATFORM BEEN 15 FEET IN ON EACH SIDE, AND YOU COULD HAVE LANDSCAPED IT NICELY AND MADE IT SOFTER FOR THE COMMUNITY, IT WOULD'VE BEEN 10 TIMES MORE, UH, LESS, IT LESS OBTRUSIVE.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICER, EVEN FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING.
SO I THINK THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO DO A LITTLE MORE PUSHBACK ON THESE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR, YOUR PLAN OF, UH, TOO MANY CARS, ET CETERA, SOMEHOW FIND A WAY TO PUSH BACK ON THESE HUGE PARKING PERMIT PARKING PLATFORMS, WHICH ARE REALLY ONLY THERE TO GIVE THE BIGGEST AMENITIES THEY CAN, WHICH SOMETIMES ARE UNNECESSARY.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE HALF THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS AS WE HAVE, AND THEY HAVE TWICE AS MUCH, UH, POOL AREA.
SO IT JUST MAKES THE PLACE LOOK EMPTY.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T EVEN HELP IT, AND IT WOULD'VE MADE MORE LIGHT COME INTO THAT DARK ENTRANCE WHERE THEY HAD.
ANYHOW, I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THAT PARKING PLAZA, BECAUSE WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, AND TO ME, THE HEIGHT ENDED UP NOT BEING AS BAD FOR US AS THE PARKING PLAZA.
WE, WE COULD POSSIBLY USE ALL THAT PARKING FOR SOME HELICOPTER, UM, LANDING SPOTS.
UM, ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT, UH, TO THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING.
SO IT'LL BE AN ONGOING DISCUSSION.
AND BEFORE WE GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE, WE HAD A GENTLEMAN, UH, OR A COUPLE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK AT THE, THE FIRST ITEM.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ON IT.
I, I'M NICK GAR, MIAMI BEACH RESIDENT.
I'M THE FOUNDER OF CHARIOT LIVING.
I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE FIRST ITEM, BUT THIS IS ALL INTERCONNECTED, LAND USE, TRANSPORTATION, UM, CHARIOT LIVING.
THE ONLY WAY YOU GET PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CAR IS IF YOU GIVE THEM SOMETHING LIKE A CAR, BUT BETTER.
AND I AM HELPING CITIES AND DEVELOPERS INTEGRATE NEXT GENERATION ELEVATED AUTONOMOUS TRANSPORT NETWORKS, SPECIFICALLY SWIFT CITIES, WHOOSH NETWORKS, DEVELOPED OUTTA GOOGLE.
UM, THERE'S A PROVING GROUND IN NEW ZEALAND, WHICH I'D LIKE TO SEND YOUR TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR TO, TO RIDE THIS DECEMBER.
UH, WE'VE BEEN HIRED BY, OR THEY'VE BEEN HIRED, UM, BY CITY OF ANAHEIM, IRVINE, UH, PROJECTS IN ARMY JAPAN.
UM, BEEN HIRED IN SAUDI ARABIA, AND I WANNA BRING IT TO MIAMI BEACH.
UM, VERY EASY TO INSTALL, CHEAP TO INSTALL, ESSENTIALLY PUTTING POLES IN THE GROUND, CONNECTING THEM WITH CABLES.
AND THESE ARE ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAT CAN GO IN AND GO FROM A STATIONARY CABLE TO A RAIL.
IT'S LIKE TINKER TOYS, AND WE CAN, IT, IT'S, IT'S CHEAP TO BUILD, QUICK TO INSTALL, AND THIS IS THE FUTURE.
AND WE NEED TO BUILD SOMETHING FAST THAT MOVES THE NEEDLE.
AND ALL OF THIS PARKING, EVERYTHING'S BUILT AROUND A CAR, BUT PEOPLE WANNA RIDE SOME, THEY WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO GET THEM OUT OF THE TRAFFIC.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING YOU COULD GET IN, TELL IT WHERE YOU WANT TO GO WITH YOUR SMARTPHONE OR ON THE SCREEN IN, IN THE VEHICLE, AND YOU'RE GOING ABOVE THE WAYMO'S, ABOVE THE CYBER CABS THAT ARE STUCK IN THE SAME TRAFFIC THAT'S JUST GONNA, THOSE ARE JUST GONNA MAKE TRAFFIC WORSE.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE MAYOR.
THERE'S INTEREST HERE WITH, WITH, WITH THE, THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION HERE, WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
WANT TO TAKE IT TO THAT NEXT STEP AND DO A BEGINNING FEASIBILITY STUDY.
SO I'M HERE LOVE, LOVE FOR LOVE, LOVE TO GET THAT GOING.
AND, UM, THE FUTURE IS COMING.
AND MIAMI BEACH NEEDS TO BE THE FIRST.
AND I SHOULD ALSO LET YOU KNOW, TALKING TO OTHER CITIES IN THE AREA, THE MARLINS, FRANCIS SUAREZ ECONOMIC CLUB OF, UH, OF MIAMI.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST THERE, AND WE JUST NEED TO PUSH FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE COMPANY? WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION.
WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE COMPANY? UH, THE, THE COMPANY IS SWIFT CITIES.
HOW ABOUT YOU SEND IT TO ALL SEVEN OF US SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS IT? I'LL, I'LL SEND IT TO EVERYONE.
AND I'D LIKE TO SEND MY MOTHER-IN-LAW TO NEW ZEALAND, SO IF YOU CAN INCLUDE HER IN THAT TRIP.
DON'T YOU WANT YOU ALL IN NEW ZEALAND THIS DECEMBER? THAT BEING SAID, LET'S GO TO THE SECOND TO LAST ITEM.
SOMEBODY TELLS ME SHE DOESN'T WATCH JOE MAGAZINE.
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YOU KNOW, CAPTION PROGRAM.[3. DISCUSS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH RESILIENCY CODE TO MODIFY ACCESSORY USE REGULATIONS FOR HOTELS IN THE RM-2 DISTRICT TO AUTHORIZE CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENTS SUBJECT TO OPERATIONAL RESTRICTIONS AND CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. (DUAL REFERRAL TO PLANNING BOARD)]
THREE BEFORE WE GET TO MORE HELICOPTERS.ITEM NUMBER THREE IS DISCUSS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.
RESILIENCY CODE TO MODIFY ACCESSORY USE REGULATIONS FOR HOTELS IN THE RM TWO DISTRICT TO AUTHORIZE CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT ESTABLISHMENTS, SUBJECT TO OPERATIONAL RESTRICTIONS AND CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL, UH, FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND THIS IS SPONSORED BY COMMISSIONER ALEX FE, COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ.
AND THIS IS A VERY NARROW AMENDMENT TO ALLOW FOR A ROOFTOP RESTAURANT, UH, SEATING, UH, IN A BEAUTIFUL HISTORICAL HOTEL THAT IS BEING REHABBED.
AND I SEE, UH, POLICY, OR WE COULD RECOGNIZE PAUL TO CONCISELY, UH, WALK US THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CONCISELY.
SO I GUESS THE COMMISSIONER HAS BEEN THROUGH SOME OF MY OTHER PRESENTATIONS.
UH, MY NAME IS PAUL SAVAGE WITH OFFICES AT 300 SOUTH BISCAY BOULEVARD, MIAMI, FLORIDA.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING, UH, THE APPLICANT AT 30 10 COLLINS AVENUE, 30 10 COLLINS AVENUE, LLC.
UH, THIS IS A, UM, EXCITING, UH, REALLY AN, UH, A ADAPTIVE REUSE OF A DESIGNATED HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAT WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH.
UM, NOW PLANNING ZONING DIRECTOR DEBBIE TACKETT AT THE TIME, OUR CHIEF PRESERVATION OFFICER, WE WORKED WITH HER FOR SOME YEARS.
THIS HAS BEEN ENTIRELY, ENTIRELY ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.
IF YOU GO THERE NOW, I WENT THERE YESTERDAY, UH, THEIR, THEIR BUILDING AND, UM, WITH THE COM COMMISSIONER, FERNANDEZ'S HELP, ALL WE'RE HERE TODAY REALLY FOCUS FOCUSING ON IS ACTIVATING THE ROOF, WHICH AS THIS COMMISSION, AND NOW LUSE KNOWS WELL CAN BE A TOUCHY SUBJECT.
BUT, UM, WE'VE WORKED WITH STAFF SINCE MAY TO REALLY CONSTRAIN, UM, AND HAVE THE SUPPORT OF BOTH STAFF OF FAVORABLE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THE COMMISSIONER'S SUPPORT, AS WELL AS THE MID BEACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, THAT VETTED THIS VERY, VERY CAREFULLY.
UM, SO WITH THAT, PAUL, LET ME, LEMME JUST ASK YOU, UH, ROOFTOP ENTERTAINMENT IS, WILL THERE BE ANY ROOFTOP ENTERTAINMENT PERMITTED? UH, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
WE, WE MET, UH, EARLY IN THE YEAR WITH CITY STAFF, AND THAT WAS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.
UH, ROOFTOP BARS, ABSOLUTELY, UH, NOT EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED BY THE TEXT.
AND IF THERE'S ANY OUTDOOR SPEAKERS, WHAT IS, AT, WHAT LEVELS ARE THEY GOING TO BE IN? SO, ENTERTAINMENT AS DEFINED BY THE CODE, IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.
THERE IS A PROVISION FOR AMBIENT SPEAKERS.
AND ONE POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS, EVEN IF THIS PASSES AS REQUESTED, IT IS ONLY FOR THE RIGHT TO APPLY FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH WILL GO THROUGH AN ENTIRE STAFF VETTING AND PUBLIC HEARING.
SO ANYONE THAT WISHES TO, TO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THIS LEGISLATION WOULD THEN HAVE TO FILE A SEPARATE APPLICATION, GO BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD THAT HAS PUBLIC NOTICES AND PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS.
AND IS THERE A LIMIT TO THE SEATING THAT WE'RE ALLOWING? UH, YES, COMMISSIONER, SO YES TO EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING, THAT ENTIRE PROCESS WOULD BE RE REQUIRED.
AND THERE'S A 150, UH, SEATING MAXIMUM IN POST AND HOURS OF OPERATIONS, UH, THAT IS, UH, CONSTRAINED TO, UM, UH, NO LATER THAN MIDNIGHT DURING THE WEEK.
AND 1:00 AM ON FRI, UH, FRIDAY, SATURDAY NIGHT.
MR. CHAIR, THERE'S NO CONCERNS OR, OR DISCUSSIONS FROM THE DAYS OR QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE ON LINE? OKAY.
WHAT IS THE, UM, TO THE CHAIR, IF I MAY? YES, GO FOR IT.
WHAT IS THE USAGE GOING TO BE? IT IS, UM, RE RESTRICTED TO, UM, RESTAURANT SEATING.
THERE IS A, UH, BEAUTIFUL GROUND FLOOR RESTAURANT THAT'S PROPOSED, AND THIS WILL BE AN ADDITION, UH, ADDITIONAL SEATING AT THE TOP.
UM, IF I COULD PULL UP THE, UH, THE RENDER VERY QUICKLY AND I CAN SHOW COMMISSIONER BOT, UH, WHAT WE HAVE IN STORE.
THIS IS, UH, THE 1939 HOTEL HISTORIC, AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED.
AND YET, UH, WELL OVER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IS GOING INTO THE RENOVATION.
UH, THERE'S THE, UH, NEW, UM, OKAY.
WELL, YOU, YOU GOT THE, YOU, PAUL, YOU GOT THE VOTES MOTION.
I WAS TRAINED AS A YOUNG LAWYER.
YEAH, YOU COULD, IF LISTEN, YOU, YOU COULD PRESENT THIS TO THE FULL COMMISSION, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR THE SAKE OF TODAY, YOU GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE TO VOTE.
SO CAN WE JUST, ARE WE GOOD? ROLL CALL.
I THINK YOU SHOULD RECONSIDERATION.
WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'RE MOVING THAT TO THE FULL COMMISSION.
[6. DISCUSS THE STATUS OF THE NORTH BEACH MASTER PLAN QUALITY OF LIFE (QOL) MATRIX]
I PROMISED THE HELIPAD NEXT, BUT[00:45:01]
LET'S JUST GET THE LAST ONE.AND THEN AFTER THAT, HE HELIPAD ITEM WOULD BE THE LAST ONE.
SO NUMBER SIX, DISCUSS THE STATUS OF THE NORTH BEACH MASTER PLAN, QUALITY OF LIFE MATRIX.
SO IF YOU WANNA READ THAT JUST INTO THE RECORD.
THIS IS ITEM NUMBER SIX TO DISCUSS THE STATUS OF THE NORTH BEACH MASTER PLAN, QUALITY OF LIFE, UH, MATRIX.
AND I BELIEVE HEATHER SHAW FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS HERE.
AND MARIA WILL BE COMMISSIONER.
THIS IS, YOU'RE SPONSORING THIS.
YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW THINGS ON THIS FIRST? YEAH.
THIS HAS, UM, BEEN AN ONGOING PROCESS.
UM, FOR THE, UM, THE CRA AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND, AND A WHOLE HOST OF FOLKS TO, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE WE HAVE BEEN AND WHERE WE WANNA GO AND WHAT HAS BEEN PROMISED TO THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE'VE DELIVERED SO FAR.
THINGS THAT MIGHT HAVE FALLEN OFF BECAUSE THEY WERE NO LONGER NEEDED OR, OR APPROPRIATE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED BECAUSE THING, YOU KNOW, DESIRES AND NEEDS HAVE CHANGED.
UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S AN INCREDIBLY VALUABLE TOOL.
UM, AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THE UPDATES.
WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IF YOU DON'T, A HARD COPY OF, AND WE COLOR CODED IT.
THIS INCLUDES, UM, FORGIVE ME, I'M ABOUT TO SNEEZE.
I'M HEATHER SHAW, ASSISTANT, UH, DIRECTOR FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, FIGHTING THE ALLERGIES.
UM, BUT ON THE, UM, THE UPDATE, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BOT FOR GIVING A, A GREAT, UM, UNDERSTANDING OF IT.
WE'VE COLOR CODED, SO, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN FUNDED, NOT FUNDED, NEEDING FUNDED, AND THEY WERE, ARE WITHIN THIS, THIS, UH, DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE.
UM, AS OF SEPTEMBER 26TH, WE HAVE, UM, WE'RE STILL TRACKING 28 OF THE PROJECTS OF, UM, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION PROJECTS AND 25 ARE BEING TRACKED.
UM, EIGHT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.
WE STILL HAVE 11 AND PROGRESS, UM, NINE HAVE BEEN DEFERRED OR JUST NOT FEASIBLE OR UNFUNDED.
UM, THE ESTIMATED TOTAL PROJECT VALUE OF THESE PROJECTS IS 243 MILLION.
THE PROJECTS EXTEND, UM, UM, PROJECTS.
THE FUNDING EXTENDED FOR THESE PROJECTS INCLUDES 11.5 MILLION.
THE BUDGET FUNDED FOR THE ACTIVE PROJECTS IS 134 MILLION, AND THE ESTIMATED IDENTIFIED FUNDING GAP IS 97 MILLION.
THIS IS ALL WITHIN YOUR MEMO, SO IF YOU DIDN'T GET ALL OF WHAT, UM, I JUST MENTIONED, UM, THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT.
I AM ALSO JOINED BY SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES FROM THE DEPARTMENTS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING A, A DEEPER DIVE, SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES COULD NOT BE HERE.
THEY SAID THAT THEY WILL TAKE THOSE, ANY QUESTIONS THEY HAVE ABOUT THEIR PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT.
AND WE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THAT IS THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT.
SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO TRACK ALL OF THESE PROJECTS, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY STAY ON TRACK.
WE, FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, ARE KIND OF THE, THE GATEKEEPER, KEEPING THEM ALL TOGETHER AND COLLABORATING WITH OUR COLLEAGUES TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING STAYS, UM, ON TRACK.
AND SO WE WILL COME BACK AGAIN AND CONTINUE TO KEEP, UM, AN EYE ON THESE PROJECTS AND, AND CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR COLLEAGUES TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE DON'T GET STAGNANT AND THAT THEY CONTINUE COMMISSIONER.
BUT DO YOU WANNA BRING THIS BACK IN A COUPLE MONTHS OR? YEAH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT BACK, UM, IN A FEW MONTHS AND ALSO ASK THAT WHEN YOU DO, UM, MAYBE WE CAN MEET OFFLINE, BUT THERE, THERE ARE DEFINITELY THINGS THAT WERE PROMISED IN PLAN NOBI THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DELIVERED.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PROMISE MADE FROM THE DAYS AT THE TIME WAS, YES, WE'RE GONNA ADOPT THIS, AND YES, WE WILL, UM, BE EQUITABLE IN WHAT WE PRIORITIZE.
AND WHAT WAS PRIORITIZED WAS UP ZONING TOWN CENTER IN, IN, UM, IN NORTH BEACH AT THE COST OF, FOR INSTANCE, STREET SCAPES OR, UM, GREEN CANOPIES OR COMMUNITY SPACES.
SO I'D LIKE TO, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S STUFF THAT HASN'T BEEN FUNDED OR HASN'T BEEN ESTIMATED YET, BUT I THINK, I THINK IT NOW IS THE TIME FOR US TO BE LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS THAT WERE PROMISED AND NOT DELIVERED AND IDENTIFY, UM, WHAT CAN STILL BE DONE AND HOW TO PRIORITIZE IT.
WE JUST FINISHED OUR BUDGET PROCESS FOR THIS NEXT YEAR, BUT THAT GIVES US A FULL YEAR TO FIGURE OUT, UM, WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, WHAT CAN HAPPEN.
AND AS WE MOVE INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, PRESSING PLAY ON THE BLUE ZONES, THESE ARE THE SORTS OF PROJECTS THAT FALL NEATLY INTO THE, THE PILLARS OF THE BLUE ZONES PRINCIPLES AND, UM, MAKE SENSE FOR US TO BE LOOKING AT HOW DO WE GET THEM DONE.
UM, AGAIN, THE, THE RESURGENCE IN NORTH BEACH, WE'VE SEEN FROM LOCAL COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS ACTIVATING THE, THE NORMANDY PLAZA AND BRINGING BUSINESSES IN VERY SUCCESSFULLY.
UM, BUT WE, WE, WE HAVE NOT SEEN A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WERE, WERE PROMISED, SO, SO HOW ABOUT FEBRUARY? I'D LIKE TO COME BACK WHEN YOU'RE READY WITH THAT.
SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, YOU WANT US TO MEET WITH YOU FIRST TO GO OVER THIS? WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A CONVERSATION FIRST.
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WE CAN SHAPE HOW, HOW TO DIRECT YOUR RESOURCES, HOW TO, HOW FOR YOU TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE YOUR RESOURCES BEST.UM, I THINK FEBRUARY MIGHT BE A LITTLE TOO FAR ALONG SINCE WE'RE, WE'RE ONLY FIGURE OUT PAST THE HOLIDAYS AND, UM, HOW DOES LIKE A JANUARY FILE, SO, BUT WOULD JANUARY BE VIABLE? I, I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT TARGET AND IF, IF WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, THEN WE'LL WE'LL SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
[5. CONSIDER AMENDING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO ADD A HELIPAD AS AN ACCESSORY USE IN THE I-1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT, ON TERMINAL ISLAND, MIAMI BEACH, FOR PRIVATE USE (DUAL REFERRAL TO THE PLANNING BOARD).]
DO THE LAST ITEM FIVE.UM, ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS CONSIDER AMENDING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO ADD A HELIPAD AS AN ACCESSORY USE WITHIN THE I ONE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT ON TERMINAL ISLAND MIAMI BEACH FOR PRIVATE USE.
THIS WAS A DUAL REFERRAL ALSO TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE, IF YOU WANT TO YEAH, I'LL LET THE, UH, PROJECT TEAM TEE IT UP.
BUT WHEN I WAS APPROACHED ABOUT THIS, UM, SPOKE WITH A SPONSORSHIP TEAM.
IT'S, UH, IT'S BEING PROPOSED BY KEN GRIFFIN, WHO HAS SHOWN IN OTHER CITIES THAT HE WAS ESSENTIALLY CHASED FROM TO BE A TREMENDOUS PARTNER IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES.
HE'S BROUGHT, UH, A NUMBER, UH, I'M ASSUMING IN THE HUNDREDS OF WELL-PAYING JOBS, HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY PHILANTHROPIC, UH, AND REALLY HELP TRANSFORM HOSPITALS, EDUCATION SYSTEMS, COMMUNITIES, NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE COMMUNITIES WHERE HE LIVES AND EMPLOYS SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF PEOPLE.
UH, THAT BEING SAID, WHEN I WAS APPROACHED ABOUT THIS, I SAID, OKAY, WHILE I MAY NOT HAVE AN ISSUE, MY FIRST THING I TALKED TO, UH, TO HIS LAWYERS WAS, YOU NEED TO GO OUT AND SELL THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THIS.
AND, AND I BELIEVE YOU WENT OUT, YOU REACHED OUT TO, UH, THE HOAS AT PALM STAR AND HIBISCUS.
I THINK YOU TALKED TO PEOPLE ON THE VENETIAN ISLAND.
UH, BUT THEN YOU'VE ALSO HAD MAYBE A, A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION WITH OUR NEIGHBORS SOUTH OF FIFTH.
UM, I'M HOPING THIS MEETING CAN BE TO GET KIND OF THOUGHTS ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
UH, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO CONTINUE TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND YOUR LEGWORK BECAUSE, UH, I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT I THINK I'LL SPEAK COLLECTIVELY HERE.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA TO GET A COMMISSION THAT'S JUST GONNA STEAMROLL, UM, OUR, OUR NEIGHBORS AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE, WE WANT TO BE, UH, ACCOMMODATING.
WE WANT TO SHOW GOODWILL AND, UH, PARTNERSHIP FOR SOMEBODY THAT HAS SHOWN, UH, TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF GOOD FAITH AND PARTNERSHIPS TO OUR COMMUNITY AND OTHER COMMUNITIES.
UM, BUT I ENVISION THAT THERE'S GONNA NEED TO BE SOME MORE NEEDLE THREADING, UH, WITH THE COMMUNITY BEFORE THIS FULLY MOVES FORWARD.
I DON'T CARE WHAT PROCESS IT REMAINS IN, WHETHER IT REMAINS HERE OR A RECOMMENDATION IS MADE TO THE FULL COMMISSION.
BUT, UH, I WOULD ENVISION, AT LEAST FOR MYSELF BEFORE ANYTHING WOULD GO FORWARD, UH, WITH ANY TYPE OF FINALITY TO THE, AT THE FULL COMMISSION.
UM, IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME MORE BREAD BREAKING WITH, UH, THE SOUTH OF FIFTH NEIGHBORHOOD TO SEE IF THERE'S, UH, TYPES OF, UM, COMPROMISES, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, UH, THAT COULD BE MADE FROM ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.
SO WITH THAT, TURN IT OVER TO THE PROJECT TEAM TO KIND OF PRESENT THE PROJECT AND, UH, LET US KNOW WHERE ALL OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS STAND, MR. CHAIR.
AND THEN I JUST WANNA ADD 2 CENTS OF MIND.
WHEN, ORIGINALLY WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE ME, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS ADAMANT ABOUT IS LET'S JUST GET THE DATA FIRST, RIGHT? I WANT TO KNOW IF THERE'S GONNA BE ANY NOISE AND WHERE IS THE FLIGHT PATHS GOING TO BE AND, AND WHO WOULD POTENTIALLY BE MOST AFFECTED BY THIS.
SO I HOPE YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY HAS SOME ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, NISSON, CADEN AND CECILIA TORRES TOLEDO OF AKERMAN REPRESENTING ONE ISLAND PARTNERS, WHICH OWNS THE PRIVATE MARINA ON TERMINAL ISLAND.
UH, I WOULD START BY SAYING THAT WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF PLANNING STAFF, WHICH IS FOR THIS BECAUSE OF AS APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THIS AS AN ACCESSORY USE.
I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT THOUGH, SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS CLEARLY THIS MATTER, THE HISTORICAL USAGE OF THAT SITE, TERMINAL ISLAND, IT'S CALLED TERMINAL ISLAND.
BECAUSE IT WAS A MARINE TERMINAL FOR ALMOST A HUNDRED YEARS.
IT WAS USED FOR FREIGHTER USE, INCLUDING NOT THAT LONG AGO.
IT WAS A CONTAINER PORT, AND THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF CONTAINERS GOING IN AND OUT OF THAT PORT IN THE COURSE SOMETIMES OF DAYS WITH LARGE CARGO SHIPS, THAT USE IS STILL ALLOWED BECAUSE IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE.
THERE WERE PREVIOUS PROPOSALS FOR THE SITE THAT WE NOW OUR CLIENT NOW OWNS, WHICH INCLUDED A 200 FOOT TALL CONDOMINIUM PROJECT, WHICH, UH, DID NOT GO FORWARD AND WAS IMPOSED BY THE COAST GUARD.
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ALSO THERE WAS AN APPROVED LARGE OFFICE BUILDING WITH RESTAURANT AND BAR AS WELL, WHICH WOULD'VE GENERATED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND ACTIVITY ON THE MACARTHUR CAUSEWAY.THE USE THAT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF BUILDING OUT IS THE LEAST IMPACTFUL USE THAT HAS EVER BEEN PROPOSED FOR ANY SITE ON TERMINAL ISLAND.
IT IS A PRIVATE MARINA, NOT A PUBLIC ASPECT TO IT.
NOW, YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS ON TERMINAL ISLAND? TWO FERRY TERMINALS FOR FISHER ISLAND, ONE COMMERCIAL, ONE FOR GUESTS, THE CITY'S MAINTENANCE FACILITY, THE COAST GUARD BASE, AND A FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT STATION.
WHAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IS TO ALLOW, THIS IS ONLY AN ACCESSORY USE TO A PERMITTED USE TO ALLOW AN ACCESSORY USE THAT IS APPROPRIATE AND CHARACTERISTIC FOR A LARGE YACHT MARINA SO THAT YOU'LL ENSURE THE LONG TERM LONGEVITY OF THIS INCREDIBLY LOW IMPACTFUL USE OF THE SITE.
AND I REPEAT, IT'S PERMITTED AS AN ACCESSORY USE ONLY YOU HEAR PEOPLE SORT OF TALK ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
UNDERSTAND THE ZONING THERE DOES NOT ALLOW A COMMERCIAL HELIPORT THAT CAN NEVER HAPPEN.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR CODE TO ALLOW THAT AS A USE.
SO IT REMAINS AN ACCESSORY USE TO A PRIVATE MARINA, WHICH IS ALLOWED.
I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT THE CLOSEST NEIGHBORS, BY FAR PALM HIBISCUS AND STAR HAVE SENT THE LETTER, WHICH YOU HAVE ALL RECEIVED, ENDORSING THIS PROPOSAL, THINKING IT IS APPROPRIATE AND CHARACTERISTIC AND WILL BE GOOD FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH IN THE ENTRANCE TO MIAMI BEACH AND SOUTH BEACH.
NOW, AS COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE POINTED OUT, WE HAVE TRIED TO WORK WITH SOME OF THE CONDOMINIUM LEADERS AT THE MARINA CONDOMINIUMS, UH, SOUTH OF FIFTH STREET.
I WOULD FIRST POINT OUT THAT THE CLOSEST OF THOSE BUILDINGS IS ALMOST A HALF A MILE AWAY.
REMEMBER, TERMINAL ISLAND IS ISOLATED.
IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST ISOLATED SITE IN THE CITY FOR ANYTHING, BUT IT'S ON THE CAUSEWAY IN THE WATER.
UH, AND WE EVEN, THEY ASKED FOR DOING A SOUND TEST OF HELICOPTERS, AND WE MADE ALL THE ARRANGEMENTS TO DO THE SOUND TEST.
AND THEN AT THE LAST MINUTE, THEY TOLD US, NO, WE DON'T WANT A SOUND TEST.
WELL, NOTWITHSTANDING THAT WE HAVE GONE AHEAD AND HIRED A TOP EXPERT TO LOOK AT THE SOUND EFFECTS, UH, FOR A POTENTIAL HELIPORT HELIPAD AT THAT SITE.
AND EVEN THOUGH HE DIDN'T DO LIVE TESTING, HE DID A SIMULATED MODEL, WHICH IS HIGHLY ACCURATE, AS HE WILL EXPLAIN.
AND THE BOTTOM, BOTTOM LINE IS IT HAS NO TO VIRTUALLY NO EFFECT ON ANY OF THE, UH, UNITS OR RESIDENTS THERE.
SO AT THIS POINT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS BRING FORWARD DAVE S STRONG TO, UH, GO, HE'LL TELL YOU HIS CREDENTIALS AND TAKE YOU BRIEFLY THROUGH THE ANALYSIS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THIS DOES NOT IMPACT THOSE BUILDINGS SOUTH OF FIFTH.
MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, FOR HAVING ME.
IF WE CAN BRING UP THE, UH, PRESENTATION.
UH, AGAIN, MY NAME IS DAVID STROM.
I'M THE NATIONAL DIRECTOR OF, UH, NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY ACT AND FEDERAL PERMITTING SERVICES FOR TRINITY CONSULTANTS.
UM, APROPOS OF, OF THE EFFORT HERE TODAY, I HAVE A SUBSPECIALTY IN NUMERICAL ATMOSPHERIC PREDICTION, SPECIFICALLY, UH, AMBIENT ACOUSTIC
UM, BECAUSE WE COULDN'T PERFORM, UH, LIVE SOUND TESTING, UM, WE WANTED TO STILL PROVIDE ACTIONABLE INFORMATION ABOUT THE OPERATION, UH, OF THE, THE HELIPORT AND THE POTENTIAL EFFECTS, UH, OF THE ANALYSIS.
BECAUSE I'M AN ATMOSPHERIC AND, UH, ACOUSTICS WONK, I COULD TALK YOU.
AND THE, UH, THE PAINT RIGHT OFF THIS WALL IS ABOUT ACOUSTICS, BUT NONE OF YOU WOULD BE AWAKE ANYMORE.
SO I PUT THE CONCLUSIONS, UH, RIGHT AT, AT THE OUTSET.
EFFECTIVELY WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, UH, WITHIN THE ATMOSPHERIC AND, AND NUMERICAL MODEL, UH, OF A TYPICAL BOTH LANDING AND, UH, TAKEOFF ACTIVITY FOR, UH, THE, THE PROPOSED AIRCRAFT, WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS ARE NOT PREDICTED TO HAVE ANY DELETERIOUS EFFECT, UH, ON THE RESIDENTIAL LOCATIONS.
EFFECTIVELY, IF YOU WERE TO STAND ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BALCONY OF ANY ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS, WHAT YOU WOULD FIND IS A NOISE LEVEL CONSISTENT WITH THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW, ABOUT 65 DECIBELS ON THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDINGS.
IT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY THE SAME LEVEL OF, OF NOISE AS THE OPERATION OF THE REFRIGERATOR WITHIN THE UNITS.
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AND EVEN AT THAT, AT THOSE LEVELS, IT WOULD OCCUR FOR LESS THAN 15 SECONDS DUR DURING EACH FLIGHT EVENT.SO IT KIND OF GIVES YOU, UH, THE, THE CONCEPT OF THE POTENTIAL EFFECT TO MODEL THE ACTUAL SIMULATIONS, BOTH THE APPROACH AND DEPARTURE AS WELL AS IDLING ON THE PAD.
WE USED INFORMATION, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, AIRCRAFT.
WE FOUND THE MOST REPRESENTATIVE, BUT CONSERVATIVE AIRCRAFT THAT WOULD BE REPRESENTATIVE OF A WHOLE RANGE OF POTENTIAL, UH, AIRCRAFT.
AND THEN WE USED PUBLISHED INFORMATION FROM THE EUROPEAN UNION ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF AIRCRAFT TO ALLOW US TO, TO IZE THE MODEL, UH, TO, TO ENSURE THAT IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH REAL WORLD EVENTS, WERE WE TO COMPLETE LIVE TESTING.
THE MODEL ITSELF IS A STATE OF THE SCIENCE MODEL CALLED THE CADINA A MODEL.
IT ALLOWS FOR THE COMPUTER SIMULATION OF ACOUSTICS WITHIN THE ATMOSPHERE, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT INFORMATION ABOUT THE NOISE SOURCES, THEIR PHYSICAL LOCATIONS WITHIN THE ATMOSPHERE, AND THEN INFORMATION ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO THE REFLECTIVITY OF WATER SURFACES, BUILDING SURFACES, AND THE LIKE, THE AMOUNT OF ABSORPTION THAT THOSE SURFACES COULD PRODUCE, AS WELL AS THE PHYSICAL LAYOUT OF BOTH THE HELIPAD STRUCTURE ITSELF, AS WELL AS THE FACADES OF INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE MODELING DOMAIN.
IT THEN CALCULATES A CONSERVATIVE WORST CASE FROM THE POINT OF NOISE GENERATION TO THE POINT OF RECEIVER.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT, UH, THE SIMULATIONS, WE LOOKED AT THEM AT VARIOUS ELEVATIONS.
THE CONTOUR MAPS THAT I'M ABOUT TO SHOW, UH, REPRESENT A CONTOUR AT ABOUT 220 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL.
HOWEVER, THEY'RE ENTIRELY CONSISTENT WITH THOSE AT 50 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL.
AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE SENSITIVITY TO ELEVATION THROUGHOUT THE FACADES OF THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS, UH, WE FOUND EFFECTIVELY NO CHANGE.
SO, UH, THE, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE 20 FEET ABOVE OR CORRECT.
IF I'M AT THE POOL DECK OR AT THE GROUND LEVEL, OR I'M AT, I'M STANDING ON THE ROOF OF THE BUILDINGS, EFFECTIVELY THE EXACT SAME.
IN THAT SAME AREA, WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT, UM, VEHICLE NOISE MM-HMM
PEOPLE SPEEDING AND, AND DOING WHEELIES AND DOING ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE ANNOYING AND LOUD.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE KEEP HEARING, NO PUN INTENDED, IS THAT, UM, IT'S, IT'S LOUD AT THE GROUND LEVEL, BUT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE BUILDINGS AND IT'S ON WATER, THE SOUND TRAVELS.
SO WHILE YOU MIGHT HEAR IT ONE WAY ON THE SECOND OR THIRD FLOOR, YOU'RE HEARING IT AT LEAST AS LOUDLY SURE.
SO FOR THE UNEDUCATED, THOSE OF US WHO DON'T HAVE SUBSPECIALTIES LIKE YOU AND JOE HERE,
UH, SO WHAT WE LOOKED AT WITHIN THE MODEL IS WHAT THE ACTUAL LEVEL IS REGARD AT DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS EFFECTIVELY.
AND WE COMPARED THOSE TO EACH OTHER TO SEE WHETHER THERE WAS AN EFFECT TO, TO BOIL IT DOWN TO, ITS, ITS SIMPLEST TERM, THE, THE HORIZONTAL DISTANCE FROM THE HELIPAD OR THE FLIGHT PATH TO THE BUILDINGS IS SO MUCH LONGER THAN THE VERTICAL DIMENSION OF THE BUILDINGS.
THAT IT EFFECTIVELY MEANS THAT THAT HORIZONTAL DIMENSION IS WHAT'S CONTROLLING, AND YOU DON'T REALLY SEE A DIFFERENCE WITHIN, UH, THE HORIZONTAL OR THE VERTICAL ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING.
UH, SOMEWHAT MORE IMPORTANTLY FOR OUR SITUATION IS THAT ONCE THE AIRCRAFT HAVE LIFT OFF FROM THE PAD AND BEGIN THEIR TYPICAL FLIGHT PATTERN, THEY ARE ACTUALLY ELEVATED.
AND SO, UNLIKE A SURFACE NOISE SOURCE, LIKE A, A VEHICLE, UH, GOING ACROSS THE CAUSEWAY OR OTHERWISE, IT HAS A DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ABOVE OTHER OBSTRUCTIONS.
AND SO IT AFFECTS KIND OF THROUGHOUT THE VERTICAL SPACE CONSISTENTLY.
SO THE, THE, THE SIMPLEST WAY TO THINK ABOUT THIS IS WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED IN THESE CONTOURS IS REPRESENTATIVE AT ALL LOCATIONS AND IS THE MOST CONSERVATIVE ASSESSMENT WE WANTED TO SAY AT ITS, UH, YOU KNOW, AT ITS MOST CONSERVATIVE.
WHAT WOULD THE EFFECT BE, PLEASE? IS THAT THE LAST SLIDE? UH, NO.
SO I'M GONNA SHOW YOU THROUGHOUT THE, JUST QUICKLY THROUGHOUT THE, UH, TYPICAL DEPARTURE, UH, WHAT THE NOISE EFFECTS AT THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS ARE.
SO IF YOU SEE THE LISTED R ONE THROUGH FOUR, THOSE ARE INDIVIDUAL RECEPTORS AT BUILDINGS, AND YOU SEE THE NUMBERS 51, 51, 48, 47, IN THIS CASE, THAT IS THE ACTUAL NOISE EFFECT OF THE HELICOPTER ON THE, THE PAD ITSELF.
AND THEN AS IT MOVES THROUGH ITS TAKEOFF, UH, ORIENTATION, THE TYPICAL FLIGHT PATH, YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE GO THROUGH AND EFFECTIVELY AS WE MOVE WEST, IT, IT GOES BACK DOWN.
THE WORST CASE SCENARIO IS EFFECTIVELY RIGHT AFTER TAKEOFF, AS IT GOES INTO THE WIND, UH, A LONG GOVERNMENT CUT GETS OVER WATER AND THEN BEGINS TO, TO PROGRESS BACK TO THE WEST.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE MAXIMUM EFFECT IS AT 65 DECIBELS.
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YOU'RE HEARING RIGHT NOW IS EFFECTIVELY 65 DECIBELS.SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE MAXIMUM EXTENT ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING IF SOMEONE WAS SITTING ON THEIR BALCONY.
WHEN YOU MEAN SIX FIVE DECIBELS, YOU'RE ON A SPEAKER, OBVIOUSLY.
IS THAT WHAT IT IS? ROUGHLY? SO IF WE A CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE TWO OF US STANDING UNAMPLIFIED AND JUST CHATTING WITH EACH OTHER, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 65 DECIBELS.
LET ME ALLOW YOU TO CONTINUE, PLEASE.
AND IF I COULD, FOR HOW LONG WOULD IT BE? 65 DECIBELS? GREAT QUESTION.
SO HERE'S THE EXACT, UH, TIMING OF A TAKEOFF AND A APPROACH EVENT.
SO TAKEOFF IS THE MOST CON CONSERVATIVE, UH, ASSESSMENT.
UH, WE'RE ABOVE THE 65, UH, DECIBEL LIMIT FOR TWO SECONDS.
PERHAPS THE ENTIRETY OF THE TAKEOFF EVENT IS APPROXIMATELY 20 SECONDS.
SO IT WOULD GO UP TO CONVERSATIONAL, UH, LEVEL FOR, UH, CERTAINLY LESS THAN 20 SECONDS.
UH, NEESON, IF YOU CAN COME UP, I GOT SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS IS AN ACCESSORY USE, CORRECT? YES.
SO WHO EXACTLY IS ALLOWED TO USE THIS IF, IF IT WERE TO MOVE FORWARD? THE ONLY PERSON ALLOWED TO USE IT WOULD BE THE OWNER OF THE PRIVATE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY.
UM, IT COULDN'T, HE, THERE'S NO WAY THAT, UH, THE OWNER COULD, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, MAKE A PRIVATE CLUB AND SAY, HEY, MR. BILLIONAIRE FRIENDS, CAN YOU COME HERE? YOU CAN BRING YOUR HELIPAD.
IS IT JUST PRIMARILY THE USE? YES.
OF THE OWNER AND IN FACT, THE APPROVAL, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS WELL AS, UH, FOR THIS PROPERTY IS FOR ITS USE AS A PRIVATE MARINA ONLY.
HOW MANY ROUGHLY USES PER DAY WOULD IT HAVE? UH, YOU KNOW, IT IS HARD TO SAY, BUT IT WILL PROBABLY BE VERY FEW.
WHAT WE CAN TELL YOU IS THAT, UH, MR. GRIFFIN CURRENTLY HAS USED A WATSON ISLAND WHERE YOU CAN LAND THE HELICOPTER IN THE COURSE OF, I THINK LAST YEAR THERE, THEY'RE ABOUT 61 IN THE COURSE OF THE ENTIRE YEAR, 61 61 TOTAL FLIGHTS.
SO, I MEAN, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT IS A NUMBER OF DAYS THAT WON'T BE USED AT ALL, MAYBE, PROBABLY A MAJORITY OF THE TIME.
AND THEN SOME DAYS IT'LL BE USED, YOU KNOW, ONCE OR TWICE.
AND I NOTICED ON THESE SIMULATION, THERE WAS A FLIGHT PATH AND IT CAME DOWN GOVERNMENT CUT, IT WAS ON THE NORTH, I GUESS THE WEST SIDE.
SO WOULD THERE EVER BE A SITUATION WHERE IT WOULD COME FROM THE OCEAN SIDE? UH, UNLIKELY.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, THE, THE USAGE MOST OFTEN WOULD BE, SAY, GETTING TO OR FROM THE, AN AIRPORT OR GETTING TO OR FROM, UH, TO THE WEST OR DOWNTOWN, NOT THE GONDOLA.
WHAT WOULDN'T BE ON THE GONDOLA,
AND UH, AND THE OTHER THING IS TOO, IN TERMS OF THE OCEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF AIRCRAFT.
UH, I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS LIKE DAVE IS, OR LIKE COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE IS, BUT YOU KNOW, IN THE OCEAN YOU HAVE THESE, UH, THESE PLANES CARRYING BANNERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA REALLY BE WANTING TO COME IN THAT WAY.
LET ME ASK YOU, I KNOW THERE WAS A INITIATIVE TO DO A SOUND TEST MM-HMM
AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORING BUILDING SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? NEVERMIND, WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT.
IF I WANTED TO DO IT, IF I WANTED TO BE PRESENT, AND OBVIOUSLY I CAN MAKE A SUNSHINE READING OUR, OUR COLLEAGUES CAN BE THERE.
WOULD, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT MR. GRIFFIN WOULD BE OKAY WITH? YES, BETWEEN NOW AND, UM, AND IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, IF WE NEEDED TO DO THAT, WE WOULD.
SO, MR. CHAIR, JESSICA, MR. FERNANDEZ.
UM, HAS THE COAST GUARD TAKEN A POSITION ON THIS APPLICATION? WELL, IN FACT, THE COAST GUARD HAS OFFICIALLY SAID THEY HAVE NO, NO OBJECTION.
UM, IS THERE, DOES THE LEGISLATION CONTEMPLATE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE USE OF THIS HEAP? YES.
THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED NOT BEFORE 8:00 AM AND NOT AFTER 10:00 PM OKAY.
AND, AND STAFF CAN CONFIRM THAT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
LET ME ASK YOU THIS, IF THERE'S A TRANSFER OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY, UM, HOW DOES THAT WORK? IS IT, DO, DO THE SAME CONDITIONS RUN WITH THE LAND? WELL, THIS IS AN ACCESSORY USE, SO IT WOULD BE LIKE, SAY SOMEONE WANTED A TENNIS COURT AT THEIR HOUSE.
IT'S, IT JUST GOES, IT'S A USE THAT'S ALLOWED WITH THE PRIVATE MARINA.
AND THIS APPLIES TO INDUSTRIAL ZONING, AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE VERY LIMITED INDUSTRIAL ZONING IN OUR CITY.
UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, TERMINAL ISLAND IS AN INDUSTRIALLY ZONED, UH, AREA.
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SUNSET HARBOR THAT'S INDUSTRIALLY ZONED.WHAT PROTECTIONS ARE THERE IN PLACE TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH A HELIPAD IN
THIS LEGISLATION IS SPECIFICALLY LIMITED ONLY TO TERMINAL ISLAND, SAY ONLY.
SO IT'S ONLY LIMITED TO TO TERMINAL ISLAND.
I'M GONNA JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, REINFORCED THE, UH, COMMENTS MADE BY COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE.
I DO BELIEVE THAT ENGAGEMENT WITH THE SOUTH OF FIFTH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS VERY IMPORTANT.
YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW MUCH WE VALUE AS A COMMISSION AND AS INDIVIDUAL ELECTED OFFICIALS, THE, UM, THE VERY GOOD WORK THAT OUR NEIGHBORS, UH, DO IN THOSE LEADERSHIP ROLES.
AND IF YOU COULD JUST CONTINUE YOUR OUTREACH, UH, TRY TO ENGAGE IN PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS, UH, WITH THEM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BEFORE THIS COMES BACK, UH, TO THE FULL COMMISSION COMMISSIONER.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DO LIKE TO BE PRECISE WITH MY WORDS.
I DON'T ALWAYS SUCCEED, BUT I DO WANNA CORRECT THE RECORD ON THIS.
UM, THE LETTER FROM CAPTAIN CLAY MCKINNEY FROM WHO'S THE COMMANDING OFFICER OF THE US COAST GUARD HERE IN MIAMI BEACH, SAYS THAT THE COAST GUARD HAS NO POSITION ON THE INCLUSION, NOT NO OPPOSITION, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO I JUST WANNA GET THAT ON THE RECORD SO THEY'RE NOT TAKING A POSITION.
UM, SO THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A PRIVATE HELIPAD, UM, LIKE A SUPER SOUPED UP PARKING SPOT FOR SOMEBODY, ONE PERSON, ONE HOUSEHOLD, RIGHT? I, I, I GUESS, I GUESS YOU CAN CHARACTERIZE THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE PRIVATE MARINA AND, AND SO IT CAN BE AN ACCESSORY USE FOR THE PRIVATE MARINA.
SO WHO, BESIDES MR. GRIFFIN WOULD BE PERMITTED TO USE THE HELIPAD? THE REASON I'M ASKING, AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, JOE OR ALEX COME RO ROARING UP ON THEIR MOTORCYCLES, THAT SOUNDS REALLY DIFFERENT THAN IF DAVID COMES ROARING UP ON HIS SCOOTER.
RIGHT? SO, IF, IF, IF KEN, IF MR. GRIFFIN HAS, UM, HAS A, YOU KNOW, STATE-OF-THE-ART, SUPER QUIET HELICOPTER, THAT'S FABULOUS.
BUT IF HE HAS A FRIEND COMING TO VISIT WHO'S GOT THE EQUIVALENT OF A HARLEY AS A HELICOPTER, THAT'S GOING TO MAKE DIFFERENT NOISE IMPACTS.
AND SO HOW DO WE MANAGE WHO IS USING THAT AND WHAT KINDS OF VEHICLES, AIRCRAFT, I GUESS, CAN, CAN USE IT? BECAUSE THE STUDIES ARE SHOWING BEING CONSERVATIVE AND, AND BEING MEASURED, NO PUN INTENDED TO, TO SHOW WHAT THE EXPECTED USAGE WILL BE.
BUT THE STUDY ACTUALLY FROM, FROM, FROM DAVE WAS SHOWING THE WHAT WOULD CREATE THE MOST SOUND WHEN IT SAID CONSERVATIVE, IT DIDN'T MEAN THE LEAST SOUND, IT MEAN THE MOST SOUND.
AND I THINK HIS STUDY, AND HE CAN SPEAK TO IT HIMSELF, IS, SAYS THAT THIS IS WHAT HE STUDIED APPLIES BROADLY TO COMMONLY USE PRIVATE HELICOPTERS.
AND I, I UNDERSTOOD THAT, AND I, I I WASN'T SUGGESTING THAT IT WAS USING THE, THE QUIETEST YEAH.
I UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE CONSERVATIVE IN, IN THIS SENSE MEANT, BUT YET THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO HAVE AIRCRAFT THAT MAKE MORE NOISE AND, UM, AND WANT TO, SO WHO'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE IT BESIDES MR. GRIFFIN? UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I I I GUESS HE COULD PERHAPS HAVE AN OCCASIONAL GUEST WHO WOULD USE IT, BUT, UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT'S A PRIVATE USE ONLY, IT'S ONLY FOR HIS USE AND MY UNDERSTANDING, PLEASE, IF, IF THIS IS INCORRECT, PLEASE CORRECT ME, BUT, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HE CURRENTLY, HIS, UM, FACILITIES ON WATTS ISLAND AND THAT HE HAS A COUPLE OF YACHTS WHERE HE HAS HELICOPTER LANDING PADS.
A ACTUALLY, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT, COMMISSIONER.
UH, I, I I, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HIS, HIS BOATS, BUT I ASSUME THAT ONE OR MORE MAY HAVE A, HE A HELICOPTER LANDING PAD.
ACTUALLY, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS YOU CAN, SINCE IT'S, IT'S, UH, NOT UNDER THE, UH, IT'S THE CITY'S JURISDICTION OF THE NAVIGABLE WATERS IS PREEMPTED, YOU COULD PUT A BOAT, PULL A BOAT UP AND LAND A HELICOPTER.
UH, SO, UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY, UH, A MORE ORDERLY WAY OF DOING THOSE THINGS.
BUT MY POINT IS, WELL, HOLD ON.
MAY I JUST FINISH MY QUESTION? UH, MY POINT IS THOUGH, IF, IF HE ALREADY HAS FACILITIES THAT HE CAN USE TO LAND HELICOPTERS, WHY IS THIS NECESSARY? WELL, I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, HE'S BUILDING, AS I SAY, A PRIVATE MARINA.
THIS IS A APPROPRIATE USE FOR A PRIVATE MARINA.
HE IS ALSO BUILDING HIS, UH, WHAT I THINK WILL BE HIS PRIMARY RESIDENCE ON STAR ISLAND.
HE'LL BE A RESIDENT OF MIAMI BEACH.
UH, THE, THE HELIPORT THAT AT WATSON ISLAND IS A COMMERCIAL HELIPORT THAT CAN BE USED BY OTHERS.
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YOU KNOW, A FACILITY THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE PRIVATE MARINE THAT HE'S BUILDING.UH, AND IT WILL ALSO BE CLOSER TO HIS RESIDENCE.
AND THE PRIVATE MARINA IS FOR HIM EXCLUSIVELY AS WELL? YES.
CAN WE, UM, WHEN WE DO THE SOUND TEST THAT I HOPE ALL MY COLLEAGUES SHOW UP TO, UH, MAYBE SOUNDS INTERESTING.
MAYBE CAN WE USE, I DON'T KNOW, CAN WE HAVE LIKE A COUPLE HELICOPTERS LIKE THE HARLEY DAVIDSON HELICOPTER THAT COMMISSIONER BOT WAS TALKING ABOUT AND SEE, I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I'D RATHER DO, I, YOU KNOW, UH, WE WERE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO DO THE TESTING, BUT RATHER THAN DESIGN THAT TESTING NOW HERE AT THE TABLE, LET'S, SO WE SIT AND TALK AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SET SOMETHING UP, MR. CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, DAVID, WHAT WAS YOUR NAME? THE ACOUSTIC EXPERT? MR. CASSON RAISED A VERY INTERESTING POINT, UH, THAT, THAT I GUESS WE'RE PREEMPTED ON WHAT COULD HAPPEN ON WATER.
UH, AND I GUESS, UH, THERE IS A MARINA THERE, UH, AT THIS SITE RIGHT NOW.
SO I GUESS TECHNICALLY WE COULD EITHER HAVE THIS ON THE BUILDING OR, OR WE COULD HAVE THIS AT, ON THE BOAT, AT A SURFACE LEVEL, AT A, AT A, AT A BOAT LEVEL.
IS THERE A DIFFERENCE, UH, IN HOW, IN HOW THE NOISE WOULD, WOULD AFFECT NEIGHBORS, UH, AT THE GROUND LEVEL TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? UM, BECAUSE I KNOW, I, I KNOW SOUTH OF FIFTH IS ABOUT HALF A MILE AWAY, BUT I ALSO DO KNOW THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT PERHAPS ARE CLOSER IN DISTANCE.
AND SO IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN WHICH NOISE WOULD AFFECT, UH, NEIGHBORS IF IT'S AT THE GROUND LEVEL OR SEA LEVEL AS OPPOSED TO THE POSITION WHERE IT'S BEING PROPOSED AT? SO, SO BASED ON THE ACOUSTICAL MODEL, WE DON'T PREDICT A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SURFACE LEVEL AND AN ELEVATED, UH, RECEIVER.
SO WE, WE SHOULD SEE ROUGHLY EQUIVALENT SOUND MEASUREMENTS FROM A SOUND PRESSURE METER THAT WOULD BE PLACED, SAY, MIDPOINT ON THE BUILDING, AND ONE THAT WOULD OCCUR ON THE GROUND.
UH, THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF A PARTICULARLY SELECTED MONITORING LOCATION CAN HAVE AN EFFECT.
AND SO WHEN WE WOULD DESIGN A STUDY AND THE INDIVIDUAL PLACEMENT OF A SOUND PRESSURE METER, WE WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE THAT INTO A, INTO EFFECT.
SO, UM, REFLECTION OFF OF, UH, OBJECTS IN THE AREA, UH, OTHER NOISES WITHIN THE AMBIENT ENVIRONMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT, WE TRY TO ISOLATE SUCH THAT WE HAVE SPECIFIC DATA THAT'S ACTIONABLE A, A, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THE PRIMARY.
SO THERE'S SOME NOISE IN THIS CASE, THE AIRCRAFT.
AND NIXON, LET ME, LET ME JUST GO BACK TO YOU FOR FOR A SECOND.
AND I WANNA THANK COMMISSIONER BARR FOR THE CLARIFICATION ON THE POSITION OF THE, OF, OF THE COAST GUARD.
UM, BUT I, I BELIEVE ALSO THE COAST GUARD HAS THE AUTHORITY TO RESTRICT THE FLIGHT PATH.
SO THEY HAVE CONCERNS, UH, THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY, I BELIEVE, LIKE UP TO 3000 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO RESTRICT THE FLIGHT PATH.
THEY ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE AUTHORITY, AND, AND IF THEY DEEM IT A NECESSITY OR PERHAPS AN EMERGENCY, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO RESTRICT IT.
I RE I RE I REMEMBER IN THE PAST WHEN WE SERVED ON THE PLANNING BOARD TOGETHER, THERE WAS ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR A BUILDING ON THIS SITE.
AND ACTUALLY THE COAST GUARD OBJECTED IT, MADE THEIR OBJECTION VERY CLEARLY, UH, KNOWN TO IT.
UH, PERHAPS NOT IN WRITING, BUT IT WAS CLEAR TO ALL OF US THEIR, THEIR, THEIR OBJECTION TO IT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, UM, PLACE THAT ON THE RECORD.
I, I THINK NO POSITION MEANS THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT, USUALLY, IF THAT'S WHAT THE, A FEDERAL AGENT AGENCIES.
SO LET'S DO SOME PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, HOW MANY, WHEN SHE'S COMING UP, CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? NEESON AND SARAH, PLEASE COME UP, UH, WHILE I TALK, I KNOW NO MATTER HOW WEALTHY SOMEBODY MAY BE, UH, NOBODY'S IN THE BUSINESS OF WASTING MONEY, BUT IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING THIS ON THE GROUND, THIS ISN'T A MULTI MULTIMILLION DOLLAR ENDEAVOR.
LIKE IF YOU HAD TO REINFORCE A ROOFTOP ON A HOSPITAL OR A BUILDING OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, COULD, COULD WE GET SOME SORT OF, UM, UNDERSTANDING WHERE IF WE WOULD GET COMFORTABLE AS A COMMISSION? AND THIS JUST TOTALLY TURNS OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WERE NOT ANTICIPATING.
THE SOUND IS MORE DISRUPTIVE THAN EVER ANTICIPATED.
THIS, THAT, THIS BE PULLED BACK.
WELL, I, I, I THINK, WELL, TWO THINGS.
I THINK, AS YOU KNOW, FACTUALLY, THAT'S NEVER GONNA BE THE CASE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WORST CASE SCENARIO, NORMAL UNAMPLIFIED CONVERSATION THAT'S OUTSIDE, NOT EVEN INSIDE THE UNIT.
BUT BEYOND THAT, THIS, UH, UH, FACILITY HAS BEEN DESIGNED AND IS IN CONSTRUCTION.
I'M HAPPY TO SHARE IT WITH YOU, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN, UH, AND, AND THE, AND IT IS THE, A HELIPAD WILL PROBABLY GO ON TOP OF ONE OF THE
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BUILDINGS ON THE SITE.THEY'RE GONNA HAVE BEAUTIFUL OPEN SPACE.
IT'S GONNA BE LOVELY TO SEE, BUT, UH, I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU, BUT WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD IT FOR SOMETHING.
SARAH, OH, SARAH DE LOS HUNTER HARBOR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
WHEN I READ, WHEN I READ THE SENTENCE, THE PARAGRAPH, AND IT SAID A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL HELICOPTER MIAMI BEACH, I JUST WANTED IT IN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT WE DO HAVE A LIGHT IN A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AREA RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, I'D BE NOT SURE, BUT EVERYBODY THAT IS ONLY TERMINAL AND ISLAND ONLY, SO SUNSET HARBOR GONNA HAVE THAT.
AND WE ALSO GONNA HAVE A MARINE PATROL BUILDING.
AND I'M THINKING, WOW, MAYBE THEY'RE THINKING THAT THEY MIGHT MIGHT BE ABLE TO LAND A HELICOPTER FOR EMERGENCY IN THE MARINE PATROL BUILDING THAT IS BEING PUT THERE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS NOT GONNA HAPPEN IN FRONT OF US BECAUSE THE AREA IS VERY SMALL.
JUST I WANTED IT TO BE CLEAR, NOT IN THE FUTURE, NOTHING LIKE THAT WOULD EVER HAPPEN.
AND, AND DEBBIE, JUST TO CONFIRM THAT IS THE CASE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
OKAY, LET'S GO TO THE NEXT, DOESN'T SAY ONLY, BUT LET'S GO TO THE NEXT CALLER ON ZOOM.
UM, WE HAVE JOHN STIMMEL ON ZOOM.
HEY, JOHN, I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU IN A WHILE.
I GOTTA CLOSE THE WINDOW OF THE HELICOPTERS RUNNING
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD HELICOPTERS.
I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO SEE A REPORT, UH, THE FULL REPORT, IF HE COULD SUBMIT THAT REPORT, WE COULD RUN THROUGH AI AND SEE WHAT IT SAYS.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN GET PEOPLE TO REPORT WHATEVER YOU WANNA PAY FOR.
UH, WE'VE HEARD HELICOPTERS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR NEWS HELICOPTERS.
UH, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TYPE INTO CHACHA.
BT IS A HELICOPTER GOING A HALF A MILE AWAY? IS IT GONNA BOTHER YOU? AND IT'LL TELL YOU YES.
I MEAN, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, YES IS NO, NO IS YES.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, UH, THE POINT IS THAT AS, UH, NI SAYS, HE'S VERY GUARDED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WELL, IF IT DOESN'T LIVE UP TO IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT RECOURSE DO WE HAVE? AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THIS, IS THAT ONCE YOU GIVE THE PERMIT FOR THIS, YOU HAVE NO RECOURSE FOR IT.
AND SO IF IT DOESN'T LIVE UP TO IT, YOU ARE STUCK WITH THIS FOREVER.
AND, UM, I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO BE GOING FROM WATSON ISLAND WITHOUT A PROBLEM.
UM, I, I JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, LISTEN, IT HAS ZERO TO DO, AND I KNOW THE PRESS AND EVERYBODY TRIES TO MAKE THIS INTO, YOU KNOW, WHO'S WHO IT IS AND WHATEVER, IT HAS ZERO TO DO WITH WHO IT IS, UH, WE THINK IT'S A BAD, UH, MOVE FOR LAND USE.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN IN THE PAST HAVE YOU GOTTEN, YOU KNOW, EIGHT OR 10 BUILDINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS WE HEAR ABOUT IT, THEY SIT AND TELL YOU THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN IT.
I MEAN, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN WHEN, UH, DAVID FIRST CALLED ME ABOUT IT, I WAS, YEAH.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T BOTHER ME UNTIL I, YOU KNOW, GAVE MORE THOUGHT ABOUT IT UNTIL I STARTED SPEAKING TO NEIGHBORS AND MENTIONING IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT JUST TURNED MY OPINION AROUND 180 DEGREES.
I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING, UH, TO CREATE, UH, PROBLEMS WITH SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT I'M ALSO NOT LOOKING TO HEAR A HUNDRED RESIDENTS CALLING ME AND TELLING ME ABOUT THE HELICOPTER THAT WE APPROVE.
WHAT, HEY, HEY, JOHN, THE COMMUNITY.
OKAY, JOHN, UM, I PROPOSE, JOHN, YOU, UH, DON'T HANG UP.
I, I PROPOSED A SOUND TEST AND I'D LOVE TO DO IT FROM YOUR APARTMENT, IF THAT'S OKAY.
I'D, YOU KNOW, LISTEN, THE SOUND TEST IS OKAY IN THEORY, UH, FOR ONE STORY, BUT IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T TELL YOU WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT WEEK.
IT, YOU KNOW, LI LIKE TANYA JUST SAID AGAIN, JOHN, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT BRAND? I THINK, UH, WHAT HAPPENED, JOHN, I JUST, I WANT TO HAVE A REAL WORLD EXAMPLE OF, AND WHAT BETTER PLACE TO DO IT THAN IN YOUR UNIT.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO DO IT FROM YOUR POOL DECK, BECAUSE I, I BELIEVE THE ICON IS THE CLOSEST I BUILDING IN SOUTH FIFTH TO THE, THIS PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND TO, YOU KNOW, ALLOW US, YOU'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, SEVEN ELECTED OFFICIALS IN YOUR CONDO, AND THEN WE CAN ALSO DO ANOTHER TEST WHEN WE'RE AT THE POOL DECK.
CAN I HAVE YOUR COMMITMENT TO DO THAT? JOHN
SO, YOU KNOW, WHY SHOULD IT BE JUST US? I DON'T WANT TO BE THE WELL, YEAH, I WOULD, THE ONLY REASON THE ICON IS IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE IT'S THE CLOSEST CONDOMINIUM TO THE, UH, PROPOSED SITE.
SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.
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O'BRIEN'S IPHONE.HELLO, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, COMMISSIONERS.
I REPRESENT, UH, CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION OF 361 UNITS.
AND I APOLOGIZE, WE DON'T HAVE THE DEEP POCKETS OR THE MONEY TO HIRE THE QUOTE UNQUOTE EXPERTS AND ATTORNEYS TO JUSTIFY THIS PROPOSED PROJECT FOR SUPPOSEDLY ONE INDIVIDUAL, WHICH I FIND, UH, INTERESTING IN A OF ITS OWN RIGHT.
HOWEVER, UH, I BELIEVE, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, HELICOPTERS GO BY ALL THE TIME FROM THE COAST GUARD.
IT'S REALLY HARD TO BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING'S GONNA BE QUIETER THAN THOSE.
THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY THAT GOES ON THERE ALREADY, AND I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT DISINGENUOUS.
UH, WHEN THEY SAID THAT THE COAST GUARD, UH, SUPPORTED THIS, WHEN WE KNOW THERE'S A HISTORY OF THEM NOT SUPPORTING THIS.
AND SECONDLY, TO LET US BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT'S GONNA HAVE RIGHTS TO THIS ALL THE TIME.
WHAT IF THERE'S A WEDDING OR A SPECIAL EVENT? I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE.
AND THE SOUND ISSUE IS JUST A SIDE ISSUE.
THE REAL ISSUE IS THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE PEOPLE SOUTH OF FIFTH.
WE MOVE THERE FOR A REASON, AND ONCE WE START TO CRACK THE DOOR ON ISSUES LIKE THIS, IT'S GONNA GET PUSHED OPEN.
WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD WITH THESE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND I THINK YOU REALLY NEED TO STOP AND THINK WE'RE DOING THIS FOR ONE INDIVIDUAL WHEN IT'S GONNA AFFECT SO MANY LIVES AND SO MANY PROPERTY VALUES.
BUT BRIAN, WHAT CONDOMINIUM, WHAT YOU SAY YOU REPRESENTED, I DUNNO IF YOU STILL OWN THE YACHT CLUB OF PORTOFINO, AND I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 2008, AND BELIEVE ME, YOU CAN HEAR THOSE HELICOPTERS GO BY.
YOU CAN HIRE ALL THE EXPERTS YOU WANT, BUT THAT EVEN DEFIES COMMON SENSE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I OWN A MARINA UP NORTH ON A, THE LARGEST LAKE IN, IN MARYLAND, AND EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW SOUND TRAVELS ACROSS WATER.
AND TO EVEN EXTEND THIS TO, TO 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, I MEAN, PEOPLE CAN HAVE THEIR RADIO ON IN THEIR BOAT AND GO BY AND YOU CAN HEAR IT REVERBERATE WHEN YOU GO BY AND YOU'RE GONNA OPEN A DOOR FOR SOMEBODY TO GO THERE TILL 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND HAVE FRIENDS GOING IN AND OUT THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE CAN'T CONTROL DOWN THE ROAD.
WELL, BRIAN, UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UH, IF I CAN REACH, IF I CAN CONTACT YOU OFFLINE AND POSSIBLY DO ANOTHER TEST IN YOUR CONDO AT THE YACHT CLUB, THAT THAT WOULD ALSO BE, YEAH.
'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE A TEST, LIKE A REAL WORLD TEST TO SEE, YOU KNOW, CAN, TO DISPEL ANY SORT OF RUMORS OR, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT BE TRUE.
I THINK THEY'RE WILLING TO TEST IT, AND IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, THEN THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER SEPARATE ISSUE.
BUT IF THERE IS NO ISSUE, THEN, YOU KNOW, I, I'D AT LEAST LIKE TO HAVE A REAL WORLD EXAMPLE.
SO, UM, IF YOU COULD NO, I AGREE.
BUT KEEP IN MIND, SOUND IS ONLY ONE SMALL ASPECT, AND WE'RE THROWING A LOT OF DOLLARS AT THIS SOUND THING, I THINK, AND WE'RE DIVERTING THE REAL ISSUE.
IT'S THE QUALITY OF LIFE, UH, THAT WE HAVE DOWN THERE, AND WE'RE GONNA UPSET IT JUST, JUST FOR ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT WANTS TO LAND A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO HIS HOUSE, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
AND I JUST HAD ONE MORE QUESTION.
UM, THE, THE, THE COMMENT THAT BROUGHT UP IS THAT YOU, AS IT STANDS NOW, THERE COULD BE A HELICOPTER LANDING ON THE BOAT AND WE WOULD HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT.
AND THAT BOAT CAN BE LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT TO AND DOCKED AT THE LAND AT THE PROPOSED SITE, CORRECT? YES.
AND WITH NO CONTROLS ON THE HOURS.
AND THERE WOULD BE, UH, AS COMMISSIONER FERNAND HAS JUST SPOKE, THERE'D BE NO SORT OF REGULATION AND CONTROL.
SO, YOU KNOW, LOOK, UM, THAT CERTAINLY MOVES THE NEEDLE FOR ME.
IF, IF, IF THERE'S AN ABILITY TO DO THAT NOW WITH ANY SORT OF REGULATION, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.
AND IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO KIND OF CRAFT THIS BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING SO THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE IS, UH, ON THE SAME PAGE, I WANT, I REALLY AM INTERESTED IN HAVING THESE SOUND TESTS.
UM, I ALSO WANNA SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE IN JOHN STEM'S APARTMENT
YEAH, I WANNA SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL SEE.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
WHAT HAPPENS, UM, IF MR. GRIFFIN DECIDES HE DOESN'T WANNA USE A HELICOPTER ANYMORE, AND NOW WE HAVE A PERMITTED USE THAT WAS PART OF A, PER A PRIVATE CLUB, DOES THE USE EXTINGUISH WITH
IT'S NOT A PRIVATE CLUB, A PRIVATE MARINA, RIGHT? CORRECT.
BUT, BUT THE USE IS NOT FOR ANY MEMBER OF THAT MARINA.
IT'S ONE PERSON WILL OWN IT, IT'S THEIR
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MARINA.SO HE CHOOSES TO JUST USE THE MARINA AS MARINA WITH BOATS GOING IN AND OUT.
HE CHOOSES TO NOT USE HELICOPTERS ANYMORE FOR WHATEVER REASON.
DOES THAT USE, CAN WE PUT IN A CLAUSE THAT EXTINGUISHES THAT USE, OR IF HE SELLS THAT PROPERTY, DOES, CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT, UM, USAGE IS EXTINGUISHED OR SHOULD IT TRANSFER HANDS? AND ANOTHER LEGAL QUESTION IS HOW DO WE MANAGE THIS QUESTION OF GUESTS USING THE HELIPAD THAT AREN'T HIM? I MEAN, TYPICALLY A, AN APPROVAL LIKE THIS RUNS WITH THE LAND, RIGHT? I IF THE, UM, IF THE HELIPAD IS ONLY ALLOWABLE DEBBIE AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO THE MARINA, WOULD THE HELIPAD ALSO REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL? WELL, THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY GOVERNED BY A CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL.
SO THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS ADDITIONAL ACCESSORY USE WOULD, WOULD BE PART OF THAT.
SO IF, SO, IF THE APPLICANT HAS TO RETURN TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR APPROVAL OF THE HELIPAD, THE PLANNING BOARD COULD INCLUDE A CONDITION THAT ANY TRANSFER OF THAT APPROVAL TO A NEW OWNER OR OPERATOR WOULD REQUIRE THE, THE, THE NEW OWNER OR OPERATOR TO APPEAR BEFORE THE BOARD, UM, AND MAYBE EVEN REQUIRE APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING BOARD? CORRECT.
AND, AND, AND, AND THE, THE QUESTION OF GUESTS USING IT, I MEAN, TO SOMEBODY'S POINT ABOUT IF THERE'S A WEDDING AND YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE ARE FLYING IN AND OUT USING HELICOPTERS, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO REGULATE.
GENERALLY, THE USE OF AIRSPACE IS PREEMPTIVE BY FEDERAL LAW.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD, I MEAN, I THINK THE LEGISLATION BEFORE YOU HAS HOURS OF OPERATION THAT WOULD HELP MITIGATE ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND THE PLANNING BOARD COULD CERTAINLY IMPOSE CONDITIONS.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT IT WOULD BE PRETTY INEFFICIENT TO HELICOPTER PEOPLE IN AND OUT.
UM, BECAUSE I'M, I'M ASSUMING THERE'S ONLY ONE HELICOPTER THERE, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU'RE ONLY, YOU CAN'T, THEY CAN'T ONLY HAVE ONE, CAN'T, THERE'S NO PARKING SPACE.
THERE ARE FIVE PARK APPARENTLY NO STORAGE WHERE YOU PUT ONE HELICOPTERS THERE, BUT, UM, OKAY.
SO I, I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE.
I THINK THE SOUTH OF FIFTH NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS TO COME ON BOARD IF THEY'RE GOING TO AND BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE SOUND TESTS.
UM, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S READY TO GO TO THE COMMISSION.
AND, UM, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR ONE PERSON IN THE CITY THAT WILL RE WILL AFFECT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY.
AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I TAKE LIGHTLY.
SO I WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE THE FULL AMOUNT OF TIME TO, TO BRING THEM ON BOARD AND, AND PROCEED IN A JUDICIOUS MANNER.
AND YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY SAY, CHAIR, DON'T ASSUME ANYTHING.
'CAUSE IT'LL MAKE AN ASSET OF YOU AND ME.
RIGHT? WELL, UH, LISTEN, UM, JUST PERSONALLY, I'M OKAY WITH, WITH MOVING THIS ON AND HAVE, WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME.
WE HAVE AT LEAST TWO, THREE MONTHS TO REALLY GET THIS RIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY UP TO THE SPONSOR.
I'M, I'M OKAY WITH MOVING THIS FORWARD.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ FEELS ABOUT THAT, BUT, WELL, WHEN I HEAR FROM, FROM THE SPONSOR WHAT I WOULD PUT ON THE RECORD, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR ME, UM, WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH THIS DEFERRAL OR IF IT MOVES FORWARD, UM, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR ME IS COMMUNICATE, MEET, TRY TO GET TOGETHER WITH THE RESIDENTS OF THE SOUTH FIFTH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
YOU ALL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS TO, TO US AND HOW SERIOUSLY WE, WE TAKE THEIR, THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, IF, IF THIS, UH, MOVES FORWARD TODAY, I ALSO KNOW, UH, CO COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE BROUGHT IT UP.
UH, SO AS IT RELATES TO THE DEFERRAL, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M, I'M GONNA JUST, UH, DEFER TO THE SPONSOR OF THE, OF THE ITEM AND SEE IF HE'S READY FOR THIS TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY, OR IF HE WOULD RATHER FURTHER TO BE A DEFERRAL.
AND IT, IT ACTUALLY IS IN LINE WITH HOW I OPENED UP, RIGHT? I I DON'T MIND WHAT PATH IT TAKES.
YOU STILL HAVE TO GO TO PLANNING BOARD.
THERE'S GONNA BE TWO MONTHS BEFORE IT COMES TO COMMISSION.
BUT I'LL BE UPFRONT WITH YOU RIGHT NOW.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A REQUEST OF YOUR TEAM AND OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST TO SHOW GOOD FAITH.
DON'T SPEND YOUR TIME LOBBYING US.
THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN HAD.
PUT ALL OF THOSE RESOURCES AND TO TRY AND THREAD A NEEDLE WITH THE RESIDENTS, BECAUSE WITHOUT THE RESIDENTS, I'M TELLING YOU, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET FIVE SEVENTH VOTES UP HERE.
AND WHAT I'LL REQUEST OF THE RESIDENTS, KEEP AN OPEN MIND, MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO MEET WITH THE TEAM, TO CONSIDER THE SOUND STUDIES, UM, TO THE GENTLEMAN.
MR. O'BRIEN, I UNDERSTAND THE PROVERBIAL PANDORA'S BOX SPHERE PROMISE YOU TRUST ME, THIS IS NOT THAT.
I LIVE ON THE WATER ON SIXTH STREET, UH, A BLOCK AWAY FROM SOUTH OF FIFTH.
MY DAUGHTER GOES TO SCHOOL AT SOUTH POINT ELEMENTARY.
MY BETTER HALF OWNS A BUSINESS DOWN THERE.
I I AM FULLY ON BOARD WITH MAINTAINING
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EVERY OUNCE OF QUALITY OF LIFE, UH, THAT HAPPENS HERE.AND I'LL BE ONLY A BLOCK LESS IMPACTED THAN EVERYBODY WITHIN THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING SOUND TESTED.
SO I HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN GETTING THIS RIGHT AS WELL.
I'M FINE MOVING THIS ALONG ONLY BECAUSE THERE'S TWO MONTHS BEFORE THIS, UH, THREE YEAH.
HAS TO GET REHASHED TO THE FULL COMMISSION, AND WE'LL BE HAVING THE SAME DISCUSSION WITH THE FULL COMMISSION AND COMMISSIONER, IF I MAY, UH, WE OF COURSE WANT TO WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS.
WE HAVE TRIED, WE COULD HAVE HAD THIS TESTING DONE.
UH, WE ARE WILLING TO STILL GO FORWARD AND DO LIVE TESTING AS WELL.
WE DO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE CLOSEST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
YOU KNOW WHAT YOU COULD HAVE, LET'S JUST LEAVE IT WITH, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE RESIDENTS OVER THE NEXT TWO MONTHS.
BUT, BUT THIS ALSO, TO YOUR POINT THOUGH, THIS DOES THIS, THIS HAS TO GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEN TWO READINGS FOR THE COMMISSION.
IT'S GONNA BE A FEW MONTHS BEFORE IT GETS TO THE COMMISSION THAT YOU YEAH.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT ROBUST PROCESS, I'M FINE.
SO, AND I JUST, OH, I JUST WANT YOU TO REALIZE YOU NEED FIVE VOTES.
UM, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY COMMISSIONER BOT HAS SERIOUS CONCERNS MM-HMM
UH, THAT SHE'S EXPRESSED HERE.
UM, AND YOU CAN ONLY AFFORD TO LOSE ONE MORE, UH, VOTE.
YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN, AGAIN, WE JUST PUT SO MUCH RIGHT DEFERENCE, UH, INTO THE CONCERNS THAT OUR RESIDENTS GIVE US, UM, FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND SO, AND SO JUST BE VERY MINDFUL OF THAT.
SO THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BOT.
AND I CAN HAVE A MARTINI JOHN TIS PLACE WHILE WE WATCH THE HELICOPTER.
SO, UM, I CAN I MAKE THE, AS A CHAIR OF A COMMITTEE, CAN I MOVE THE ITEM? OR YOU COULD PASS THE GAVEL AND THEN MAKE THE MOTION.
IS THERE A MOTION ON THE TABLE? WE DO HAVE, THERE'S A MOTION TO DEFER THAT POPPED UP.
JUST, JUST, I'M NOT GONNA SECOND THAT MOTION.
SO DO YOU WANNA MOVE THE ITEM? I'LL MOVE THE ITEM.
DID WE SAY THERE'S MORE THERE PEOPLE ON, ON ZOOM? OH, THERE'S MORE PEOPLE CAME ON.
WE, WE HAVE TWO MORE PEOPLE WITH THEIR HANDS RAISED.
I HAVE, THEY CAN SPEAK AT THE NEXT, UH, COMMISSION MEETING WHEN IT, WHEN IT COMES UP, LET THEM SPEAK.
I, I THINK IF THEY'VE BEEN WAITING, LET OKAY.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER WOULD BE JOHN CAPRIO.
OH, WAIT, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE MURANO AND ALSO ON THE SONER BOARD, SOUTH THE FIFTH.
FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT, I DON'T WANT TO MIRROR WHAT THE, UM, STIM SAID AND O'BRIEN SAID, BUT, UH, I THINK WE'RE ALL BIG FANS OF MR. GRIFFIN AND THE CONTRIBUTION HE'S GIVEN TO MIAMI BEACH.
AND WE ALL EMBRACE EVERYTHING THAT HE IS DOING FOR THE CITY IN ALL HIS CONTRIBUTIONS.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM PERSONALLY OR, OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT WILL BE MOVING INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR ANYONE ELSE BUILDING A BUILDING HERE THAT COULD ALSO ASK FOR THE SAME EXACT THING THAT HE'S ASKING FOR.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGER ISSUE.
BESIDES IT BEING COMMON SENSE THAT IT IS A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE.
AND YOU'RE DOING THIS FOR ONE RESIDENT, WHERE DO YOU DRAW THAT LINE? WE LIVE HERE.
HIGH RISES IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN A HOUSE.
WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH YOU OVER THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, WHETHER IT'S MARINA ISSUES, WHETHER IT'S, I, UH, COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ HAS PUT IN A, A, A NOISE, UH, UH, MITIGATION, UM, PILOT PROGRAM SOUTH THE FIFTH.
UM, WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN FOR QUALITY OF LIFE SOUTH THE FIFTH.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYONE PERSONALLY.
NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE NEXT TO AN AIRPORT.
NOBODY WANTS TO OPEN UP THAT, THAT WINDOW OR BOX THAT OF KNOW WHAT'S COMING NEXT.
AND WHETHER THEY DO A TEST AND THEY PUT IT ON LOW POWER OR WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TRICKS OF THE TRADE THAT YOU CAN DO WITH THESE, WITH THESE, UH, WITH, WITH ANY TYPE OF TEST.
UH, I THINK THAT WAS SAID EARLIER.
SO I WOULD JUST SAY BE VERY CAREFUL.
EVERYONE THAT I SPEAK TO IN THIS BUILDING AND IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AS SOON AS YOU MENTION SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE HELICOPTER, THEY RAISE THEIR HANDS.
I'VE NEVER HAD SO MUCH SUPPORT REACHING OUT TO THE OTHER PRESIDENT SAYING THAT THIS IS ABSURD.
THIS WILL IMPACT APPROXIMATELY 2000 RESIDENTS JUST IN THE HIGH RISES.
I HAVE NOT FOUND ONE PERSON, NOT ONE IN THE BUILDINGS THAT IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
AND LIKE STEM WILL SAID, THAT'S THE BOX THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO OPEN.
IF YOU GUYS WANNA GO DOWN THE ROAD, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
WHETHER IT'S A TEST, NOT A TEST, YOU OPEN A PANDORA'S BOX.
AND OUR FINAL SPEAKER IS ALLISON HERMAN.
I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT OF SONA, AS WELL AS THE PRESIDENT OF PORTOFINO TOWERS AND PORTOFINO, SOUTH POINT MASTER.
UM, I DON'T NEED TO RE-SAY EVERYTHING THAT MY COLLEAGUES AND, UM, FELLOW
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PRESIDENTS HAVE SAID, UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, THERE'S TWO THINGS.ONE, YES, I BELIEVE THAT THE NOISE STUDY AND THE LIVE TESTING IS IMPERATIVE.
THAT'S LIKE A, THAT'S STEP ONE THAT, THAT SHOULD ALREADY HAVE OCCURRED BEFORE IT GOT TO THIS POINT.
AND TWO IS, UM, YOUR, THE, THE BENEFIT FOR ONE PERSON CAN OUTWEIGH THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? YOU HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTS, YOU'RE ALSO OPENING A PANDORA'S BOX OF WHAT COULD BE APPLICATIONS FOR THE SAME FOR A HELIPAD ON STAR ISLAND FOR RESIDENTS, STAR ISLAND, HIBISCUS, AND PALM.
SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS WOULD LEAD TO AND THE ADDITIONAL NEGATIVE IMPACTS THAT IT COULD INCUR.
AND ONE NOISE STUDY IS NOT GONNA BE THE SAME AS IF THERE'S 15 HELIPADS OR 50.
UM, AND I THINK ALL THOSE CONSIDERATIONS NEED TO BE THOUGHT OF IN ADVANCE OF APPROVAL, BECAUSE ONCE YOU APPROVE IT, YOU'VE SET A PRECEDENT.
UM, AND LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST POINT OUT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, NOBODY HAS REACHED OUT.
UM, I KNOW THE GENTLEMAN SAID THAT HE'S REACHED OUT TO US, UM, BUT NOBODY HAS REACHED OUT TO ME AS PORTOFINO TOWERS PORTOFINO MASTER.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I, I DO THINK THAT OUTREACH, UM, HAS BEEN MISSING AND IT SHOULD HAVE OCCURRED BEFORE THEY GOT TO THIS POINT.
AND IT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO OCCUR BEFORE IT GOES FORWARD.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I HOPE YOU DEFER THE ITEM.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S STILL A FEW MONTHS LEFT BEFORE IT COMES TO COMMISSION, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTS AND OUR SUPPORT SHOULD, SHOULD MATTER.
SO LOOK, THERE'S A MOTION TO MOVE IT.
I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE PLENTY OF TIME TO, TO DISCUSS THIS AND HAVE SOUND TESTS.
SO, UM, ANY, ANY OBJECTION, JUST A CLARIFICATION.
THAT'S WITH THE FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE COMMISSION? YES, CORRECT? YES.
ARE WE COMMISSIONER? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA, IS IT VOTE NO OR YOU JUST MOVE ALONG IF WON
I KNOW EVERYONE SAYS THREE MONTHS IS PLENTY OF TIME, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN CONTACTED.
AND, UM, I'VE SAID FROM MY EARLIEST DAYS, AN ACTIVIST NICE.
AND YOU'VE HEARD THIS 8 MILLION TIMES FROM ME, IF YOU GET THE COMMUNITY ON BOARD, YOU GET A BETTER PROJECT.
AND THE COMMUNITY ISN'T ON BOARD YET.
AND SO, FOR THAT REASON, I'M SAYING NO BECAUSE I WANTED A DEFERRAL.
WELL, I THINK, UH, FOR THOSE WATCHING WE'RE THE COMMUNITY'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE INVOLVED.
YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA WANNA SEE PERSONALLY, UH, HOW THE, THE, THIS, THE IMPACT IS.
AND YOU KNOW, WITH THE SPONSOR, I'M SURE HE IS GONNA BE DOING HIS DUE DILIGENCE, YOU KNOW, MAKING THIS WORK FOR EVERYONE.
AND, AND I'LL SAY THERE WILL BE NO PANDORA'S BOX.
THIS IS VERY UNIQUE UNLESS OTHER PEOPLE ARE DEVELOPING A MARINE OUT THERE.
SO THERE'S NO POSSIBILITY TO PARLAY THIS INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
AND THEN WHAT I WANT IS FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO WORK WITH THE PROJECT SPONSOR.
SO THIS ISN'T A DIMINISHING OF QUALITY OF LIFE.
THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA GO FORWARD IS IF WE CAN GET COMFORTABLE THAT THIS DOESN'T IMPACT THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE REPRESENT.
AND IF WE CAN'T GET THERE, WE CAN'T GET THERE.
I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO THE PROJECT SPONSOR TO CONVI, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO, UH, ENSURE THEM THAT THIS ONE WILL DIMINISH THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.