* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. WELCOME TO THE OCTOBER FINANCE AND ECONOMIC RESILIENCY COMMITTEE MEETING. UH, WE ARE ALSO IN THE MIDST OF EARLY VOTING. SO FOR THOSE OF THE, UH, YOU LISTENING, BE SURE YOU GET OUT THE VOTE HERE AT CITY HALL. WE HAVE EARLY VOTING, UH, EVERY DAY UP TO THE ELECTION, UH, ABSENT MONDAY UNTIL 7:00 PM UH, SO LET'S SEE, DEMOCRACY IN ACTION. UM, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A RATHER SHORT MEETING. UM, I, I HAVE TO PERSONALLY GET OUT OF HERE, UH, IF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE A DESIRE TO CARRY ON, BUT I HAVE A HARD STOP ABOUT 1115. UM, BUT WE HAVE A COUPLE PRIORITY ITEMS THAT WE'D LIKE TO HEAR. UH, SO MR. CFO, I'LL KICK IT OVER TO YOU, MR. CITY ATTORNEY WITH, UH, DISCLOSURES, AND THEN WE WILL GET ON TO THINGS. GOOD MORNING. TODAY'S MEETING OF THE FINANCE AND ECONOMIC RESILIENCY COMMITTEE HAS BEEN SCHEDULED IN A HYBRID FORMAT WITH A QUORUM OF THE COMMITTEE PHYSICALLY PRESENT AND REMAINING MEMBERS, STAFF, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM. IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN TODAY'S MEETING, VIRTUALLY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY DIAL 1-888-475-FOUR 4 9 9 TO THREE, AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH IS 8 6 3 6 0 5 9 5 4 6 2 POUND, OR LOG INTO THE ZOOM APP AND ENTER THE WEBINAR ID, WHICH AGAIN IS 8 6 3 6 0 5 9 5 4 6 2. ANY INDIVIDUAL WISHING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM, MUST CLICK THE RAISE HAND ICON IF USING THE ZOOM APP, OR DIAL STAR NINE IF YOU ARE PARTICIPATING BY PHONE. THANK YOU. UH, WE JUST HAVE ONE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT, UH, I THINK IT'S MB EIGHT, UH, ON THE GEO BONDS IS A TIME CERTAIN, AT 10:00 AM YOU WANT ME ANNOUNCE THE FIRST ITEM? I BELIEVE IT'S WE'LL BE [NB 9. DISCUSS THE FEASIBILITY, FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS, AND EXPECTED OUTCOMES REGARDING THE POTENTIAL ESTABLISHMENT OF A MOUNTED (HORSE) POLICE PATROL.] MB NINE. I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF THE MAYOR AND HIS TIME. UM, SO WE'LL HEAR THIS. OKAY, MR. MAYOR AND, AND, UH, MB NINE DISCUSS THE FEASIBILITY, FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS AND EXPECTED OUTCOMES REGARDING THE POTENTIAL ESTABLISHMENT OF A MOUNTED HORSE, UH, POLICE, PATROL, AND BENIGN. THANK YOU. AND, UH, CHAIR, THANK YOU ALL, AND I'LL BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME AND TRY TO MAKE THIS BRIEF. I BROUGHT THIS ITEM ABOUT ADDING, UH, MOUNTED HORSE PATROL CHIEF JONES AND, UH, COMMANDER MITCHELL AND, AND THE, AND THE TEAM. THANK YOU, UH, DID A GREAT JOB IN PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. UH, JUST TO GIVE A QUICK SUMMARY AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. WE USED TO HAVE MOUNTED POLICE PATROL, UH, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIMES LAST, UH, IN THE LATE SEVENTIES, UH, THROUGH 1992. IT WORKED VERY WELL. IT WAS BUDGETARY REASONS THAT IT, UH, DISCONTINUED. IT'S A GREAT COMMUNITY SERVICE. PEOPLE LOVE IT. IT ENGAGES, UH, THERE'S FORCE MULTIPLIERS IN, UH, IN THE ENGAGEMENT THAT WE GET. HORSES CAN GO IN AREAS THAT, UH, OFTEN VEHICLES CANNOT. THE HEIGHT GIVES A VANTAGE POINT FOR CROWDS. UM, OTHER CITIES HAVE IT, MIAMI, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, CORAL GABLES. UM, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE, UH, REALLY IN AN OUTSTANDING ADDITION TO A, A ALREADY OUTSTANDING POLICE DEPARTMENT. I'LL JUST, UH, I'LL JUST GIVE THE ASK AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE, TO THE CHIEF AND AND COMMANDER. THE, UH, APPROXIMATELY FOUR TO $500,000 TO GET THIS OFF THE GROUND, UH, APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO RUN IT EVERY YEAR. MY ASK IS THAT WE, UH, SEND THIS OFF TO COMMISSION TO PUT IN FOR THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2028. UH, I KNOW IN TALKING TO THE CHIEF, AND YOU CAN ADDRESS THIS, THAT, UH, THOSE NUMBERS ACTUALLY MAY COME DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY. THERE'S, UH, NON-PROFIT, UH, OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL. DONATIONS, SORT OF SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE WITH OUR CANINES. SO THAT NUMBER MAY COME DOWN, BUT AT LEAST LET'S GET IT MOVING AND, UH, AND, AND APPROVED TO GO TO, TO THE COMMISSION FOR OR ADDITION IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. YEAH. MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR THIS. UH, I LISTENED TO THIS AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING. IT SEEMED AS IF THIS WAS VERY WELL RECEIVED. I LIKE IT. I LIKE THE IDEA OF IT. IT SEEMS LIKE THE POLICE, UH, WERE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR. I WON'T PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. I, I'LL LET YOU, UH, OPINE ON THAT. UM, I'M, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED THE FULL PRESENTATION, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING TO DO, AND THIS WILL BE SIMILAR TO A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE, ESPECIALLY, UH, WITH THE UNCERTAINTY OF WHERE, UM, AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE COMES OUT, A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT, UH, WE'RE GONNA WANNA DO, UH, ARE GONNA COME DOWN TO BUDGET DECISIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO IRON OUT AT THE END OF THE YEAR. SO, MR. MAYOR, I'LL BE SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING THIS FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION, UM, AND THEN PUTTING IT AS A PLACEHOLDER THAT WE EVALUATED A YEAR ON BUDGET. BUT CHIEF, UH, AND COMMANDER DON'T WANT YOU TO COME HERE FOR NO REASON, BUT MAYBE IF WE COULD KEEP IT BRIEF ABOUT, UH, NOT LIFTING ME, PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, UH, HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE PROGRAM. UH, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR, AND GOOD MORNING. UH, MR. MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, UH, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU FOR CALLING THIS ITEM. THANK YOU FOR PRIORITIZING THIS MORNING. IN INTEREST OF TIME, I'LL SAY SIMPLY THIS, THE IDEA OF MOUNTAIN PATROL FOR ME PERSONALLY, HAS BEEN AN AMBITION FOR YEARS. WELL BEFORE MY TENURE AS CHIEF OF POLICE, WHEN THE MAYOR AND I FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, I WAS PLEASED, UH, HAVING LIKE MIND THAT HE THOUGHT THE CMSI DID ONE. THIS IS GONNA CREATE A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TOOL, YET ANOTHER ONE FOR US, PART OF THE TENANT, I THINK, OF THIS COMMISSION HAS BEEN POLICE VISIBLY POLICE CONNECTING [00:05:01] WITH THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS YET ANOTHER TOOL FOR US TO DO THAT WE'RE ENVISIONED THIS DOING FOR US, HAVING, UH, COPS AND HORSES VISIT, VISIT OUR LOCAL SCHOOLS, HAVING THEM IN VISIBLE PLACE IN LUMOUS PARK, OCEAN DRIVE LINCOLN ROAD, WHERE TOURISTS AND OUR RESIDENTS FREQUENT CREATING THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE POLICE AND, UM, COMMUNITY. HUMERA IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. UM, THE IDEA OF FUNDING WE HAVE ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, REACHED OUT TO VARIOUS RESIDENTS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN, IN OUR COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE IN THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY OF FOLKS WHO ARE RELATIVELY WEALTHY, OF FOLKS WHO BELIEVE IN COMMUNITY, WHO BELIEVE IN SUPPORTING, UM, THIS, THIS CITY. AND SO WE'VE MADE THOSE INROADS IN THAT REGARD. WE ANTICIPATE, AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL COME TO PASS, ANTICIPATE THE FIRST YEAR OF FINANCIAL IMPACT WOULD BE NET ZERO POLICE OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO PATROL WILL RE BE REASSIGNED TO POLICE OUR CITY ON HORSEBACK. AND SO THERE'S NO COST FOR PERSONNEL, UH, MUCH LIKE WE'VE HAD FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AT CANADA KNIGHTS, WHO BUY ALL OF OUR DOGS FOR WELL OVER A DECADE. UH, WE INTEND TO CREATE RELATIONSHIPS IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE FOLKS WILL DO THE EXACT SAME THING. NONPROFIT BUYING OUR HORSES HORSE. WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, YOU DON'T WANNA DO IT, BUT HAPPY ANSWERING QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. MAN, MITCHELL HAS PUT A, A BUNCH OF WORK INTO DOING THIS. UH, MANAGER ELIA HAS PASSED, PUT A BUNCH OF WORK INTO DOING THIS, HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING THIS AS WELL OVER THREE YEARS. WE'RE EXCITED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. IT'S JUST BECOME A REALITY. EXCELLENT. AND MR. MAYOR, MAYBE WHAT I'LL, UH, SAY TO YOU IS IF PEOPLE BECOME AWARE OF THIS, AND THERE ARE LARGE DONATIONS, ESPECIALLY FOR THE UPFRONT COSTS, UH, AND THEN WE JUST HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE ONGOING OPERATING EXPENSES, PERHAPS WE WOULDN'T EVEN NEED TO WAIT FOR THE BUDGET YEAR. IF, UH, THERE'S SOME LARGE DONORS THAT WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATE OR COVER THE UPFRONT COSTS OF THE HORSE, THEN WE COULD JUST, UH, HAVE A, UH, ENTER YOUR BUDGET AMENDMENT. THEY COULD LOOK AT THE ONGOING OPERATING COST. WE THINK A LIKE, ALL RIGHT. UH, WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS ON? I CAN'T MAKE THAT MOTION AS CHAIR. I'LL MOVE IT. OKAY. I'LL SECOND. I BELIEVE THE MOTION WILL BE RETURN TO COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO CONSIDER DURING THE FY 28 BUDGET PROCESS, UH, FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A MOUNTED HORSE PATROL. UM, COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ, UH, MADE THE MOTION SECONDED BY ME. OH, COMMISSIONER SUAREZ IS HERE. UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER, THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT. SURE. JOANNE MOORE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF. YES, GOOD MORNING. UM, I'VE NEVER, I BELIEVE SPOKEN, UH, BEFORE THE FINANCE COMMITTEE BEFORE, UH, I ACTUALLY, MAYBE TO THE SURPRISE OF SOME WANT TO SUPPORT THIS ITEM. UH, I THINK PRECISELY FOR SOME OF THE REASONS STATED, UH, THAT WHERE OUR TOURISTS, UH, TEND TO GATHER, UH, THESE ARE GREAT TOOLS FOR INTERACTION, COMPARABLE, IN FACT, TO THE FUNCTION OF A BEAT COP, UM, WHICH I'VE LONG ADVOCATED. AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, ONE OF THE OBJECTIONS IS BEING THAT THEY'D BE OUT IN THE HEAT. UM, SO WITHOUT BEING SNARKY ABOUT THAT AS AN OBJECTION, WHICH IS A LEGITIMATE ONE IN SOUTHEAST FLORIDA, UM, I'M HOPING THAT THE EXTRA, WHAT FIVE FEET OF HEIGHT, UH, OR MAYBE LITTLE, LITTLE, UH, STEER UP MOUNTED FANS, UH, CAN KEEP, UH, THEM SAFE. BUT I WOULD ADD ONE CAVEAT, UH, THAT THEY BE USED, UH, IN A, UH, A PUBLIC FRIENDLY WAY, AND THAT IRRESPECTIVE OF THE REASON, UH, SHORT OF AN ABSOLUTE EMERGENCY, THAT THEY NEVER BE USED TO CHARGE INTO A CROWD, WHETHER IT IS A POLITICAL DEMONSTRATION OR AN OUT OF CONTROL SPRING BREAK. BUT IN PRINCIPLE, I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. UH, MR. CFO. [NB 11. CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY OF (1) A RETROACTIVE SPONSORSHIP AGREEMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $24,061.00 WITH FUNKSHION LABS, THE PRODUCER OF PARAISO SWIM WEEK AND A RETROACTIVE WAIVER OF SPECIAL EVENT FEES IN THE AMOUNT OF $6,258.85, AND (2) AUTHORIZING THE CITY ADMINISTRATION TO NEGOTIATE A PROSPECTIVE FIVE-YEAR AGREEMENT WITH THE PRODUCER.  ] LET'S HEAR NB 11, THEN WE'LL HEAR THE TIME CERTAIN MB EIGHT. OKAY. UH, MB 11, CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY OF A RETROACTIVE SPONSORSHIP AGREEMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $24,061 WITH FUNCTION LABS AT THE PRODUCER OF PARITY. SO, SWIM WEEK AND A RETROACTIVE WAIVER OF SPECIAL EVENT FEES IN THE AMOUNT OF $6,258 85 CENTS, AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY ADMINISTRATION TO NEGOTIATE A PERSPECTIVE FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT WITH THE PRODUCER AND BE 11. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THIS. UM, WHERE I'M AT WITH THIS, THIS HAS BECOME SUCH AN ICONIC EVENT AND AN ECONOMIC DRIVER, UH, YOU SEE WITH YOUR OWN TWO EYES. THIS HISTORICALLY HAD BEEN ONE OF THE LEAST BUSY WEEKS OF THE YEAR, UM, THIS ALONG WITH THE WEEK AFTER LABOR DAY, BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, UH, THERE'S BIG HOLIDAY CELEBRATIONS, UH, WHETHER IT BE MEMORIAL DAY OR LABOR DAY, AND THEN THERE'S A GAP IN A LOT OF TRAVEL. IT'S ACTUALLY HOW OUR BASEL CAME ABOUT, UH, 20 YEARS AGO, UH, FOLLOWING THANKSGIVING SWIM WEEK, THIS PAST YEAR HAS TAKEN ON MORE OF AN A BASEL TYPE FEEL, WHERE IT'S NOT JUST A SINGLE EVENT. YOU HAD ACTIVATIONS [00:10:01] AT THE DELANO, AT THE FAINA, AT THE MONDRIAN, AND NOT JUST A FEW PEOPLE AROUND ARC TOWN WAS PACKED. AND IT WAS GREAT TO SEE AT A TIME WHERE IT WASN'T HISTORICALLY DONE. UH, BUT I TALKED WITH, UH, THE PRODUCER, UH, NATAJA. AND LISTEN, THIS IS A MIAMI BEACH BORN BUSINESS, A WOMAN OWNED BUSINESS. AND SHE GOES, JOE, BEING UP FRONT HERE, THESE COSTS, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE BEING APPLIED BY THE CITY, UH, ARE KILLING US. AND WE WANNA STAY IN MIAMI BEACH. THIS IS OUR HOME. UH, BUT THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEM AS WELL. SO WANNA SEE WHAT WE CAN DO FOR THEM, UM, TO ESSENTIALLY BE SURE THAT THEY ARE A MULTI-YEAR PARTNER THAT GIVES THEM SOME CERTAINTY TO BE ABLE TO PLAN IN ADVANCE AND JUST TAKE THIS TO, UH, EVEN FURTHER LEVELS THAN THEY'RE AT. SO, FRANCINE, MAYBE I'LL, UH, I'LL HAND IT OVER TO YOU AND THEN TO, UH, THE, UM, PROJECT TEAM IF THEY WANNA SAY A FEW WORDS AS WELL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. FRANCIS VAIO, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF TOURISM AND CULTURE. AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A STAPLE EVENT. UM, WE WORK WITH SALLY AND THE TEAM EVERY YEAR ON THIS WONDERFUL EVENT, AND IT REALLY HAS. NOW, THERE ARE MORE EVENTS THROUGHOUT, UH, DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, UM, DURING THAT WEEK, RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS. UM, THE EVENT THAT TOOK PLACE THIS YEAR, THEY DID PAY SPECIAL EVENT FEES, SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, PARKING. SO I BELIEVE THEY ASK US TO GIVE BACK A RETRO, YOU KNOW, GIVE BACK THAT MONEY, AND THEN LOOKING FORWARD AN AGREEMENT. AND I THINK THE, UH, IN ORDER FOR US TO WORK THROUGH THAT IS TO UNDERSTAND IF IT, IT WOULD, THE INTENT WOULD BE TO COVER NON, UH, WAIVABLE FEES, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND CITY SERVICES, REALLY. UM, OR WHETHER IT WOULD BE A CASH. I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ON THAT. YEAH, AND I DON'T WANNA OPEN PANDORA'S BOX HERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS EVENT, BUT I LOOKED AT THEIR, SINCE THE FEE, UH, THE BILL THAT THEY SENT SOME OF THE CHARGES THAT ARE APPLIED TO THE CITY, AND IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO THIS EVENT. IT'S A PART OF A BROADER CONVERSATION THAT WE ALL REALLY NEED TO HAVE. UM, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT ONE OF THE ART FAIRS THAT'S ON THE BEACH IN DECEMBER, AND JUST THE CITY FEES ARE LIKE $150,000 FOR A TENT ON THE BEACH, RIGHT? THESE, THESE ARE BIG COSTS THAT WE'RE IMPOSING ON PEOPLE. AND, AND I SAW JUST FROM A, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY PARISO, THEY HAVE A TENT IN COLLINS PARK, AND THEIR FEES FOR POLICE AND FIRE OVERTIME WERE $16,000 FOR THREE NIGHTS. THAT'S, WE REALLY HAVE TO EVALUATE. IF WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT PROPER STAFFING LEVELS, AND WE HEAR IT FROM OUR POLICE AND FIRE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OVERWORKED BECAUSE OF SOME OF THESE SPECIAL EVENTS. I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO, UH, EVALUATE IF WE'RE REALLY PROPERLY STAFFING THEM. UM, FOR THIS EVENT SPECIFICALLY, I WANT TO KEEP THEM HERE. I WANT TO BE SUPPORTIVE. THEY'VE BEEN A GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNER, AND I ALSO WANNA PROVIDE, UH, CERTAINTY SO THEY CAN PLAN YEARS IN ADVANCE. UH, BECAUSE, UH, PREVIOUSLY THEY WERE JUST ON THIS LIKE, OKAY, ONE YEAR, ONE YEAR FOR 20 SOME YEARS, LET SHOW THEM WE'RE A TRUE PARTNER, UM, AND GIVE THEM SOME CERTAINTY FOR A WOMAN LED BUSINESS THAT, UH, WAS BORN HERE IN MIAMI BEACH. MR. CHAIR, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, I DON'T KNOW IF POLICE IS STILL HERE, BUT WHAT IS THE COST FOR POLICE AND FIRE FOR THIS EVENT? I SAW IT WAS ABOUT $14,000, I BELIEVE. OKAY. AND WE BE WAIVING THAT. DO WE, DO WE HAD NEED POLICE AND FIRE? WELL, I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND FIRE, BUT DO WE REALLY NEED POLICE? I, I THINK IT'S A BROADER CONVERSATION THAT I'M HAPPY TO TACKLE WITH YOU, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT THIS EVENT TO GET CAUGHT UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT BROADER DISCUSSION. YEAH. I MEAN, LISTEN, YOU CAN, HOW LONG HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN COMING HERE? IT'S BEEN A WHILE, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD PROBABLY START MOVING AWAY TOWARD, YOU KNOW, IF I'M OKAY WITH KEEPING YOU GUYS ON THE BEACH AND, AND, AND SPONSORING YOU. BUT AT SOME POINT WE DO HAVE TO KIND OF SCALE BACK. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE CAN CERTAINLY, UM, YOU KNOW, START TO SCALE BACK ON IS ON AN EVENT THAT DOESN'T REALLY REQUIRE POLICE. I MEAN, YOU DON'T, THERE'S NO REALLY MAYHEM HAPPENING FROM SWIMMING, RIGHT? YEAH. MM-HMM . UM, SO I, I'D LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH FRANCIS, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CAN WE, CAN WE DO THAT? OR IS THAT, WELL, THAT WOULD BE, UH, REALLY UP TO, UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE RELY ON THEM TO LET US KNOW ON STAFFING. THE ONLY THING I MAY ADD THAT POLICE STAFFING SOMETIMES IS NOT JUST FOR THE EVENT. IT ALSO INCLUDES LOAD IN AND LOAD OUTS. I DON'T KNOW, SINCE THIS IS IN THE PARKING LOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT IS INVOLVED. UM, BUT THOSE, THAT'S WHERE THE FEES COME IN. SO IF IT'S ON THE BEACH, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THEY NEED ESCORTS BECAUSE NO VEHICLE IS ALLOWED ON THE BEACH ON THEIR OWN, THAT'S COUNTED AS POLICE HOURS. BUT THAT'S REALLY UP TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR STAFFING. YOU SAY IF THEY NEED TO GET ONTO THE BEACH MM-HMM . THEY NEED TO BE ESCORTED. YES. AND THERE ALWAYS HAS TO BE A POLICE OFFICER ON THE BEACH. YES. MM-HMM [00:15:01] . THIS HAVE BEEN, ACTUALLY ISN'T ON THE ACTUAL BEACH. THIS ACTUALLY COMMON. IT'S, IT'S NOT. THAT'S, YEAH. EVERY VEHICLE THAT GETS ON A BEACH THAT HAS A BEACH, UH, UH, ACCESS PASS NEEDS TO BE ESCORTED AND IT HAS TO BE ESCORTED. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOT TO THIS EVENT. THIS, LIKE I SAID, LIKE I, I WANT TO HAVE THIS BROADER CONVERSATION ABOUT EVENTS IN GENERAL. I DON'T WANT THEM TO GET KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT. BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME OF OUR EXPENSES AND WHETHER AMENDMENT THREE PASSES OR NOT, HOW WE CAN SCALE BACK, BUT STILL BE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF PUBLIC SAFETY. I, AND ACTUALLY BE MORE RESPECTFUL OF OUR PERSONNEL'S, UH, TIME AND FAMILY LIVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, AND HOW MUCH WE'RE WORKING ON, PERHAPS IT IS EVALUATING THE STAFFING LEVELS FOR SOME OF THESE SPECIAL EVENTS, BUT I WANNA HAVE THAT AS PART OF A BROADER CONVERSATION. SURE. AND I JUST FIND IT FASCINATING THAT THE POLICE HAVE TO BE THERE THE WHOLE TIME THAT THERE'S, THERE'S AN EVENT. SO, OKAY, WELL, I'LL MOVE IT. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. SO IF, AGAIN, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE TO RETURN TO COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO EXECUTE A RETROACTIVE SPONSORSHIP AGREEMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $24,061 OF THE FUNCTIONAL LABS, THE PRODUCER PRIMARY TO SWIM WEEK, AND A RETROACTIVE WAIVER OF A SPECIAL EVENT FEES IN THE AMOUNT OF $6,258 85 CENTS, UH, TO PREPARE THE REQUIRED BUDGET AMENDMENT AND TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY ADMINISTRATION FOR NEGOTIATE A PROSPECTIVE FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT WITH THE SPONSOR PRODUCER. UH, MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER SUAREZ, SECONDED BY, DOES THIS FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT INCLUDE A WAIVER FOR EVERY FIVE, FOR ALL THE FIVE YEARS? I WAS JUST GONNA ASK MR. CHAIR, IF YOU HAVE DIRECTION ON THE FIVE YEAR, DOES THAT HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION? WE WOULD COME, WE WOULD COME BACK. THE FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT WOULD HAVE TO, UH, COME BACK. SO THIS WOULD AUTHORIZE THE ADMINISTRATION TO BEGIN THOSE NEGOTIATIONS. BUT IF THERE'S SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, DIRECTION OR INSIGHT, UH, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA SIGN SOMETHING RIGHT NOW FOR FIVE YEARS OF A FINANCIAL COMMITMENT. YEAH. THIS WILL COME BACK, UH, BEFORE THE COMMISSION. THE OTHER THING WE CAN MENTION IS THAT OBVIOUSLY, WELL, EVEN, EVEN BEFORE THAT MM-HMM . I EVERY YEAR, I THINK THEY SHOULD COME BACK IF, IF WE CAN, IF I CAN. I THINK ALSO THAT, UM, UNLESS WAVES, THE, UH, ADMINISTRATION WOULD NEGOTIATE, UH, IN GOOD FAITH WITH THE COMMISSION'S FINANCIAL POLICIES, WHICH I BELIEVE THERE'S A FINANCIAL POLICY RELATED TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF YEARS OF WAIVERS, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE SPECIAL COMMISSION ACTION. SO WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THAT FINANCIAL POLICY IS ON WAIVING OF CERTAIN FEES, UM, AND THAT ALL THAT WOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AND WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE BASIS FOR OUR NEGOTIATIONS. YEAH, THAT'S COOL. BUT IT COULD BE ADDED IN THERE. OBVIOUSLY, I THINK ALL THESE AGREEMENTS ALWAYS ARE TERMINABLE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS BASED ON BUDGET AVAILABILITY. SO IF IT'S, UH, A SPONSORSHIP, UH, THE WAIVING OF THE FEES IS ONE THING, BUT IF IT'S A SPONSORSHIP AMOUNT, UM, JUST LIKE WE WENT THROUGH THIS PAST BUDGET PROCESS, UM, I THINK WE ALWAYS HAVE THE ABILITY TO MODIFY THAT, THAT AGREEMENT, EITHER TO TERMINATE IT OR TO AMEND IT BASED ON BUDGETARY AVAILABILITY. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD 100% CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATE US TO MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS NO MATTER WHAT OUR BUDGETARY SITUATION WAS. AND I THINK THIS WAS MORE LOCKING IN THAT WE'RE A PARTNER FOR FIVE YEARS, AND THEN ON AN ANNUAL BASIS WE CAN HAVE THOSE, SO WOULD BE BUDGETED ANNUALLY, BUT THE COMMISSION WOULD, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, HAVE THE ABILITY TO AMEND, REDUCE, OR ELIMINATE THAT, UH, SPONSORSHIP. UM, BUT WELL, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE NEGOTIATING, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY I KNOW MAGAZINE COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE MENTIONED, UM, A BROADER CONVERSATION ON POLICE. I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA BE DOING SOMETHING FOR FIVE YEARS, WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE THAT CONVERSATION FIRST. SO, UH, WE HAVE THAT, WE HAVE THAT DIRECTION BEFORE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S COMING, IT'S COMING BACK FOR THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL. CORRECT. ALRIGHT. SO CORRECT THIS, THIS, THIS ITEM WOULD GO BACK TO COMMISSION, UH, PROBABLY NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, PROBABLY DECEMBER, UH, AS A CONSENT ITEM TO GIVE THAT DIRECTION. AND THEN THE NEGOTIATIONS WOULD BEGIN BUDGET AMENDMENTS. WE'D BE PREPARED. SO WE, YOU'D HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS TO, TO DISCUSS AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL T. OKAY. UH, SO WE HAVE THAT MOTION MADE AND SECONDED. UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. ITEM PASSES. THANK YOU ALL FOR THANK YOU. YOU KNOW WHAT WE DO FOR OUR CITY. THANK YOU. MR. CFO [NB 8. DISCUSS THE ISSUANCE OF THE SECOND TRANCHE OF THE 2019 GENERAL OBLIGATION (G.O.) BONDS FOR THE PARKS, RECREATION & CULTURAL FACILITIES, AND POLICE, FIRE & PUBLIC SAFETY CATEGORIES.] WILL, UH, DO MB EIGHT. OKAY. MB EIGHT DISCUSSED THE ISSUANCE OF A SECOND TRANCHE OF THE 2019 GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION AND CULT CULTURAL FACILITIES AND POLICE, FIRE, AND PUBLIC SAFETY CATEGORIES. MB EIGHT. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. TY VIRA, UH, DIRECTOR OF THE GEO BOND PROGRAM. UM, SO THE, THE PROGRAM WAS APPROVED FOR $439 MILLION. UH, THE FIRST TRANCHE OF FUNDS WAS APPROVED IN 2019 FOR 151.1 MILLION. UM, THE BOND PROGRAM HAS THREE SEPARATE CATEGORIES, PARKS, PUBLIC SAFETY, AND INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, WE ARE NOW AT A POINT IN THE PARKS AND PUBLIC SAFETY CATEGORIES WHERE, UM, WE SPENT [00:20:01] OR ENCUMBERED ABOUT 80% OF THE FUNDS IN TRANCHE ONE. AND THERE ARE SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT ACTUALLY NEED, UM, THE FUNDS THAT WE ARE MARKED IN FOR FUTURE TRENCHES TO BE ABLE TO ADVANCE. UM, I PROVIDED A LIST, A COMPLETE LIST OF PROJECTS AS ATTACHMENTS TO THIS MEMORANDUM. UM, BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THAT LIST, OR CAN YOU GO, OKAY, SO CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? I FEEL LIKE I'M COMING IN AND OUT. UM, OKAY. SO FIRST I'LL START WITH THE PARKS CATEGORY, EXHIBIT A, UH, EXHIBIT A TO THE MEMO, UH, 72ND STREET. THIS PROJECT WAS LAUNCHED IN TORONTO, ONE, AS YOU KNOW, UM, WITH $10.8 MILLION FROM THE GEO BOND. THE REMAINDER OF $43 MILLION IS, UH, PART OF THIS LIST, AND THAT WILL BE NEEDED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, FLAMINGO PARK YOUTH CENTER. THERE ARE SEVERAL PROJECTS WITHIN THIS PROJECT. UM, A LOT OF 'EM HAVE ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED. WHAT REMAINS TO BE DONE WITH THE TRANCHE TWO FUNDS IS THE POWELL FACILITY, THE 15 $1 MILLION. THEN WE HAVE FISHER PARK THAT START. UM, WELL, THE PLANNING PHASE WOULD BEGIN. UM, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN TRAN ONE FOR THE POW, AND THAT IS FOR THE PLANNING PHASE FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY. UM, THE OFFICE OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IS HANDLING THAT, AND THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION FUNDS WOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED UNTIL THE TIME COMES FOR ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION. BUT THEN WE'LL NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO DO THE DESIGN WORK. AND, AND LET ME ASK, WHY DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT TAKE SEVEN YEARS, UM, JUST TO GET TO THE DESIGN AND PLANNING PHASE? WELL, I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT WAS SORT OF PUT ON, ON BACK BURNER BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE DISCUSSION WITH THE FIRE STATION, WHERE FIRE STATION WAS GONNA GO. SO NOW THAT'S SETTLED. MM-HMM . UH, BELIEVE THEY CAN BEGIN THOSE DISCUSSIONS AGAIN, THOSE PLANNING EXERCISES AGAIN. OKAY. AND, AND IS THE PLAYGROUND, UH, SET TO BE UPGRADED IN FLAMINGO PARK? I THINK THEY ACTUALLY STARTED THAT. THAT'S NOT WITH GEO BOND FUNDS, BUT I BELIEVE YOU YES. YOU CLOSED THAT THIS WEEK OR LAST WEEK? OH, . OKAY. INCREDIBLE. UM, OKAY. SO NOW I'LL JUST GO REALLY QUICKLY. FISHER PARK MUST PARK PALM ISLAND PARK, PINE TREE PARK, AND TATUM PARK. THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE NOT YET LAUNCHED WITH THE TRAN FUND. SO THIS PROJECTS WOULD BEGIN WITH THE, UM, WITH THE FUNDS, UH, WHEN THE FUNDS ARE APPROVED. THESE ARE MAINLY PLAYGROUND IMPROVEMENTS. A COUPLE OF THESE ACTUALLY, WE HAVE FUNDS IN THE ARTS AND CULTURE GEO BOND, UM, THAT WOULD, SO BOTH FUNDS COMBINED WILL BE THE FULL BUDGET FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ARTISTIC PLAYGROUNDS. UM, THEN HAVE NORTH SHORE PARK AND YOUTH CENTER. SEVERAL PROJECTS WITHIN THIS FACILITY HAVE BEEN COMPLETED WITH TRANCHE ONE. WHAT REMAINS TO BE DONE HERE IS THE BASEBALL FIELD, AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED THESE FUNDS FROM TR TWO. UM, SO BASEBALL FIELD AND ASSOCIATED WORK, LIKE LIGHTING PATHWAYS, ET CETERA. UM, THEN WE HAVE BAY WALK, WATERWAY RESTORATION, WEST LOTS DEVELOPMENT AND SKATE PARK IMPROVEMENTS. THESE PROJECTS ALSO HAD FUNDS IN TRANCHE ONE. AND THIS IS THE SUPPLEMENTATION. WHAT'S, WHAT, WHAT'S THE WEST LOTS DEVELOPMENT? SO THAT IS REALLY, IT WAS INTENDED TO BE SEED MONEY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE CREATION OF WHATEVER IT WILL BE. AT WEST LOTS, THERE WAS 5 MILLION, $5 MILLION TOTAL. WE HAVE 1 MILLION IN TRAN ONE. UM, THE, ACTUALLY, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING AN AGREEMENT, UM, WITH SAVANNAH MILLER TO BEGIN THE PLANNING. OKAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE, THE GEO BOND FUNDS ARE GONNA BE USED FOR, CORRECT. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL, THE TRANCHE ONE, THE $1 MILLION THAT WE HAVE IN TRANCHE ONE IS ENOUGH TO BEGIN THAT EXERCISE. THE $5 MILLION REALLY WOULD COME IN IF AND WHEN THE, UM, ADDITIONAL WORK, UH, THAT THE DOLLARS ARE NEEDED FOR THE ADDITIONAL WORK IF WE LIKE WHAT WE SEE AND WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. CORRECT. OKAY. PERFECT. UM, OKAY. SO THAT CONCLUDES THE LIST OF, UM, UH, PARKS PROJECTS. SO THERE ARE 13 PROJECTS ON THE LIST. SIX ARE NOT YET LAUNCHED, AND SEVEN HAVE ALREADY INITIATED WITH THE TRAN TRAN ONE FUNDS. MOVING ON TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY CATEGORY, WE HAVE EIGHT PROJECTS, AND SEVEN OF THESE HAVE ALREADY BEEN LAUNCHED IN TRAN ONE AND ONLY ONE IS PENDING. SO FIRE STATION ONE, THAT'S REALLY THE MOST URGENT ONE HERE ON THE, THE WHOLE LIST BECAUSE THEY'RE PREPARING TO, UH, GO TO COMMISSION, UH, REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A GMP AT THE END OF THE YEAR. SO THESE $6 MILLION IS NEEDED FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT. UM, OCEAN RESCUE NORTH BEACH FACILITY, THAT'S A PROJECT THAT CIP IS HANDLING AT SOME IN PLANNING STAGE. THEY HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS IN TRAN ONE. SO THE REMAINDER WILL BE NEEDED TO CON [00:25:01] TO CONTINUE THAT PROJECT POLICE HEADQUARTERS. THEY ALSO, THEY'VE BEGUN IN TRAN ONE. THIS IS TO COMPLETE THAT FIRE STATION NUMBER THREE. THAT'S THE ONLY PROJECT ON THIS LIST THAT HASN'T STARTED YET. $10 MILLION LED LIGHTING AND PARTS. UH, WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED MOST OF THE LOCATIONS. UM, WITH THE TRAN ONE FUNDS, THERE'S ONLY ONE LOCATION PENDING, AND THAT IS THE NORTH SHORE PARK. UM, SO THAT WOULD COMPLETE THAT SECURITY FOR PUBLIC SPACES. THESE ARE ACTUALLY SECURITY BALLARD, MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AS WELL. WHERE REMAINS HERE IS FOR THE LINCOLN ROAD PROJECT. AND THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO COMMISSION TO AWARD THAT PROJECT IN NOVEMBER, I BELIEVE. AND THESE DOLLARS ARE NEEDED FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE BALL, UH, PORTION OF THE BALLERS OF THAT PROJECT. UM, AND THEN MARINE PATROL, UM, AND STREET LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS. SO STREET LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS, PUBLIC WORKS, THEY HAVE COMPLETED A BIG PORTION OF THIS WITH 21. SO THIS WILL CONTINUE THAT PROGRAM. AND THEN THE FIRE, THE MARINE PATROL IS REALLY, UM, A $700,000 ALLOCATION. THEY'VE ALREADY BEGUN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT PROJECT. THEY HAVE IT FULLY FUNDED. HOWEVER, WE MAY CHOOSE TO, UM, SWAP THE FUNDING, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PAY GOAL, WHATEVER OTHER FUNDING SOURCE MAY BE WITH THESE TWO UPON DOLLARS. THESE WERE NOT AVAILABLE AT THE TIME THEY AWARDED THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT. SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE. SO, JUST IN SUMMATION, THA UH, IN 2019, THE VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY VOTED FOR THIS. NOW WE ARE JUST ESSENTIALLY RELEASING THE NEXT PHASE OF, UH, RELEASING THE ABILITY TO GO OUT AND BORROW FOR THE NEXT PHASE OF FUNDS, UH, THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THE NEXT STAGE OF PROJECTS. CORRECT. DO WE EVER DO AN EVALUATION WHERE WE GO, OKAY, SEVEN YEARS LATER, IS THE WORLD STILL THE SAME? ARE THE NEEDS STILL THE SAME? DO THESE PROJECTS, UH, ARE THEY STILL RELEVANT TO OUR COMMUNITY? DO WE EVER KIND OF LOOK BACK AND JUST DO A SANITY CHECK AS TO WELL, WHAT I'LL SAY TO THAT IS THAT THE, LIKE I SAID, THE MAJORITY OF THESE FUNDS ARE FOR PROJECTS THAT ALREADY BEGAN IN TRAN ONE. RIGHT. SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO SUDDENLY STOP THEM. IF ANYTHING, IT WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WE HAVEN'T STARTED YET. RIGHT. AND THERE'S SOME OF THESE, THESE ARE MAINLY THE PLAYGROUNDS OR THE PARKS PROJECTS, AND THEN THE FIRE STATION NUMBER THREE. IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, I THINK THAT, YEAH, SO I, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD LOOK AT THOSE ELEMENTS. THEY ALWAYS COME BACK TO COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, TO RECOMMENDATION TO START, WHETHER IT'S ONE OF THE PARK PROJECTS OR ONE OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS. SO YEAH, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY IF THE ADMINISTRATION OR THE WORLD A CHANGE IN SOME MANNER, WE WOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT, THIS MAY NOT BE THE BEST WAY. IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO, YOU KNOW, UTILIZE THESE FUNDS? UH, SO IT STILL OBVIOUSLY MEETS THE, THE INTENT OF THE VOTERS, UH, BUT STILL IS SMART. AND IF I COULD ALSO ADD ONE OTHER THING. THIS IS NOT A REQUEST TO ACTUALLY ISSUE THE DEBT. THIS IS A REQUEST TO DO A DECLARATION OF INTENT TO ISSUE, UM, WITH THIS AS A, BASICALLY A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION. OKAY. SO OUR, OUR INTEREST SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IS, YOU KNOW, AS ALWAYS, TO KEEP THE, THE IMPACT AS LOW AS POSSIBLE TO SAVE AS MUCH MONEY TO BE SMART FINANCIALLY. SO WHAT THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO DO IS, UH, WE WOULD BRING THIS DECLARATION INTO NOVEMBER, COMMISSION MEETING, COMMISSION WOULD APPROVE IT, AND THEN WE WOULD BRING BACK THE FULL APPROPRIATION BUDGET AMENDMENT IN DECEMBER TO APPROPRIATE THESE DOLLARS. I WOULD NOT BE BORROWING THE DOLLARS RIGHT AWAY. SO THIS WOULD ALLOW ME, BASED ON IRS CODE TO REIMBURSE OURSELVES. IT'S 18 MONTHS TO 30, UH, TO 36 MONTHS, DEPENDING ON CERTAIN PARAMETERS. I WOULD ISSUE THE DEBT LATER. SO WE WOULD NOT, UM, THE TAXPAYERS WOULD NOT BE INCURRING ANY COST FOR IT. WE BASICALLY WOULD BORROW IT FROM OURSELVES AND THEN PAY OURSELVES BACK AT A LATER DATE. UH, THE COMMISSION DID THIS ALREADY ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE CATEGORY, TWO DIFFERENT DECLARATIONS. AND ACTUALLY, UH, YOU'LL BE APPROVING HOPEFULLY, THE UNDERWRITERS TO ACTUALLY ISSUE THAT. THAT WAS ABOUT TWO TO THREE YEARS AGO. CFO. UH, WHAT RATE IN GENERAL, ALL IN WOULD YOU BE BORROWING AT? I'M GONNA ASK, UH, WE HAVE SERGIO FROM PFM, OBVIOUSLY WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU GO TO THE MARKET, BUT, UH, HE HAS RUN SOME PULMONARY NUMBERS. AND, AND I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE, UH, SHORT TERM OR TWO YEAR TREASURY RATES ARE, UH, I KNOW IT'S PART OF BOND COVENANTS. YOU CAN'T DECLARE YOU'RE DOING THIS FOR THIS REASON, BUT AS THESE PROJECTS ARE BEING ANTICIPATED, IF YOU'RE BORROWING UNDER 5%, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO PUT THAT INTO A TWO YEAR TREASURY ACCOUNT AND ALMOST CAPTURE THAT ARBITRAGE? WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS TO IT. ONE, THAT, THAT'S THE POINT IS YES, THE INTEREST RATES ARE, UH, A BIT HIGH RIGHT NOW. AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL START TO COME DOWN IN THE NEXT SIX TO NINE MONTHS WHEN WE ACTUALLY ISSUE OTHER DEBT FOR OTHER PURPOSES FOR THIS PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THAT'S THE EXCELLENT POINT, IS WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY BORROWING THE MONEY NOW. SO IF I COULD TELL YOU WHAT THE INTEREST RATES WERE GONNA BE IN 18 TO 36 MONTHS, UH, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE HERE. I WOULD BE ON MY OWN PRIVATE ISLAND. BUT, UH, TO, TO THAT ELEMENT, UH, YEAH, WE'RE NOT IN A LOW INTEREST RATE ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW. SO THIS PER STRATEGY, I BELIEVE IS VERY SMART. I'VE SPOKEN WITH SERGIO ABOUT, BUT I'LL, I'LL LET 'EM KIND SPEAK. I GUESS WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT IS IF YOU WOULD BORROW NOW YEAH. MIGHT BE [00:30:01] A BIT PREMATURE YEAH. FROM WHERE YOU NEED IT, BUT IF YOU'D BE ABLE TO ESSENTIALLY STORE THAT IN A TWO YEAR TREASURY, WHICH IS YIELDING 5%, IF YOU'RE BORROWING LESS THAN 5%, YOU'RE ACTUALLY CAPTURING THAT ARBITRAGE, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE ISSUING AT A HIGHER RATE ENVIRONMENT. YEAH. SO SERGIO, WHAT'S THE BACK OF THE ENVELOPE WHERE YOU'D BE ISSUING SURE. UH, COMMISSIONER SERGIO MARO, PFM FINANCIAL ADVISORS, FINANCIAL LEGISLATIVE CITY. UH, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND SOMETHING WE LOOK AT, UH, DAILY, ESPECIALLY IN THIS, IN THIS, UH, EVER CHANGING INTEREST ENVIRONMENT. WELL, I'LL CALL IT, YOU KNOW, RATES SIGNIFICANTLY ROSE UP OVER THE LAST, UH, TWO OR THREE MONTHS SINCE THE, REALLY, SINCE THE, UH, CONFLICT IN THE MIDDLE EAST. AND THEN THEY'VE KIND OF EASED A LITTLE BIT, UH, AS OF LATE. SO RIGHT NOW, WE LOOK AT BORROWING SOMEWHERE IN THE 4 75 RANGE, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE 4, 7, 5, UP TO FIVE, I WOULD SAY, AT THE HIGHER LIMIT. AND THAT'S KIND OF SITTING WHERE I AM TODAY. IF YOU ASK ME A WEEK FROM NOW, THE, THE WORLD MAY CHANGE, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY. TO YOUR POINT, THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS. THE IRS IS KIND OF SMART ON THIS, RIGHT THERE, THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS AS TO HOW MUCH ARBITRAGE YOU CAN EARN. YEP. SO YOU'LL, YOU WOULD NEED TO, WHEN YOU BORROW THE MONIES, YOU WOULD NEED TO, UH, BASICALLY SIGN A, RE A TEST TO A REASONABLE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR PROJECTS BASICALLY READY. YOU CAN'T JUST DO THIS AND SAY, WE'RE BORROWING JUST FOR THE POINT OF CAPTURING THAT ARBITRARY THAT WAS DONE. I, YEAH. IN THE EIGHTIES, POST 1985, RIGHT? YEAH. UH, PRE 1985, NOW YOU HAVE THE REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT YOU'RE GONNA SPEND THE MONIES WITHIN YEAH. WITHIN, I THINK, 18 TO 24 MONTHS, RIGHT? YEAH. THREE YEARS, ALL THE MONIES, AND THEN I THINK IT'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT TESTS, BUT IT'S BASICALLY 10% IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS. AND THEN, BUT IF THAT ARBITRAGE IS ONLY 25 BASIS POINTS, NO NEED TO GET, YEAH, IT'S NOT A LOT TO, YEAH. SO TO THAT POINT, SO YES, WE HAVE A, A CONSULTANT THAT HAS TO DO AN ANALYSIS OF ARBITRAGE, UH, EVERY YEAR, UM, ON THE 2019 BONDS AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, THE ESTIMATE BACK IN 2018 WHEN WE ALL VOTED ON THIS WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, TWO, THREE LAYERS LATER. SO HERE WE ARE, ALMOST 10 YEARS LATER, REALLY GOING TO THE NEXT TRUNK IS THINGS HAVE DRAGGED OUT AND SUCH LIKE THAT. SO WE HAVEN'T EVEN SPENT ALL OF THOSE MONEY. SO WE'VE BEEN, UH, SUBJECT TO ARBITRAGE ON THOSE. AND WE'VE HAD TO SEND SOME MONEY BACK TO THE IRS. BUT WHAT IT SHOWS IS WE'VE ACTUALLY EARNED A MAXIMUM THAT WE LEGALLY CAN. UM, AND WE'VE DONE IT ON A FEW BOND ISSUANCES, WHICH FOR SOME PEOPLE, LIKE BOND COUNCIL, UH, IS NOT SUPER HAPPY ABOUT THAT. BUT, UH, FROM, FROM THE LAYPERSON PERSPECTIVE, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING THAT WE HAVE TO SEND SOME MONEY BACK. AND, AND I DO WORK DIRECTLY WITH TAIS TO COME UP WITH A, A PAID A, A BURN RATE EFFECTIVELY, AND THEN SET OUR INVESTMENT, UH, STRUCTURE TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF VENTURES. AND THAT'S WHY, UH, THE COMMISSION HAS HAD OPPORTUNITIES OF, OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO AUTHORIZE FROM THE EARNED INTEREST TO KEEP PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD. I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE NOT JUST PUTTING IN A BANK OF AMERICA DEPOSIT ACCOUNT, YIELDING, YOU KNOW, NOTHING. YOU HAVE IT, IT'S JUST CASH IN MY OFFICE. YES. YEAH. COMMISSIONER POINTE, YOU KNOW, KNOW JASON AND I ARE ALWAYS KIND OF LOOKING AT WAYS TO, TO TREASURY MANAGEMENT, MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. EXCELLENT. GOOD TO HEAR. YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU TAIS. JOHN, I JUST WANNA PUT ON THE RECORD, CAN WE MAKE SURE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HEARING THAT THE, UM, ART GEO BOND ART AND CULTURE IS GONNA BE MIXED WITH PARKS? CAN WE JUST MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WHEN WE HAVE CHILDREN'S PLAY MATERIALS AND CHILDREN'S JUNGLE GYMS, ET CETERA, THEY'RE NOT ART PIECES. THEY'RE ACTUALLY PLAY BASED, AND THEY'RE DESIGNED BY FAMILIES, DESIGNED BY, YOU KNOW, KI PEOPLE WHO HAVE KIDS. AND THEY'RE NOT THESE WEIRD ART PIECES THAT KIDS FALL OFF OF AND BREAK THEIR ARMS. THANK YOU, . IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE, AND THEN WE GO AND RIP IT OUT. SO, THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I CAN POSE THE, THE MOTION THAT'S REQUESTED. SO, UH, IT WOULD BE TO RETURN TO COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO AUTHORIZE THE ADMINISTRATION, UH, TO EXECUTE A DECLARATION OF INTENT, OFFICIAL INTENT TO ISSUE THE SECOND TRANCHE OF THE GENERAL OBLIGATION, BONDS, PARKS, RECREATION AND CULTURAL FACILITIES, AND THE POLICE, FIRE AND PUBLIC SAFETY CATEGORIES IN THE AMOUNT OF 81,000,914 THOU THOUSAND DOLLARS AND $35,150,000 INCLUSIVE ISSUANCE COSTS, RESPECTIVELY. EXCELLENT. WHO, UH, WHO CAN MAKE THAT MOTION? I'LL MOVE IT. COMMISSIONER, I'LL SECOND DO I, UH, MADE THE MOTION CHAIR MAGAZINE. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? ALL IN FAVOR. THANK YOU. IT'S YOUR, UH, OB FOUR, [OB 4. DISCUSS REPAINTING THE EXTRA-TALL LIGHT POLES ON LINCOLN ROAD] JASON, WHICH, UH, I THINK IS QUICK. OKAY. COMMISSIONER, DO I THINK THIS IS YOUR ITEM? YEAH. OB FOUR LINCOLN ROAD LIGHT POLES DISCUSS REPAINTING THE EXTRA TALL LIGHT POLES ON LINCOLN ROAD, OB FOUR. BUT SINCE I GOT HERE LATE ONE, UM, YEAH, IN SPEAKING WITH THE LINCOLN, UH, ROAD BID, I'D LIKE TO WITHDRAW THIS ITEM THEY'VE ALREADY HAD BECAUSE OF POPUPS THAT OCCURRED. UH, FOUR LIGHT BULBS PAINTED WHITE, AND THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE. SO WE'LL LEAVE THIS FOR NOW. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'LL SHOW THE ITEM HEARD AND WITHDRAWN. HOW ABOUT, UH, [NB 3. ESTABLISHING POLICY REQUIRING NOTICE OF PROPOSED UTILITY RATE INCREASES BY PRINTING NOTICE OF EACH UTILITY RATE INCREASE ON THE FACE OF THE CITY’S WATER AND SEWER BILLS.] MB THREE UTILITY RATE NOTICES ON BILLS MR. CFO? SURE. AND COMMISSIONERS SUAREZ [00:35:01] MB THREE, UH, MB THREE, ESTABLISHING A POLICY REQUIRING NOTICE OF PROPOSED UTILITY RATE INCREASES BY PRINTING THE NOTICE OF EACH OF EACH UTILITY RATE INCREASE ON THE FACE OF THE CITY'S WATER AND SEWER BILLS, AND B THREE. AND IF WE'LL LET THE COMMISSIONER, EVERYBODY THINK WE HAVE SOME GOOD NEWS ON THIS ONE, BUT WHAT'S THE GOOD NEWS? JASON , I'LL LET, UH, MANNY, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR SPEAK ABOUT THIS. GOOD MORNING, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS. MANNY MARCUS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF FINANCE. UM, WE'VE COMPLETED THIS ITEM. WE HAVE NOTICES ON OUR UTILITY BILL. WE JUST COM UH, COMPLETED A CONVERSION THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR. SO AT THE BEGINNING OF, OF OUR BILLS, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE NOTICE, BUT WE DO HAVE IT NOW. WE PROVIDE A NOTICE ON OUR WEBSITE, ON OUR PAYMENT PORTAL. WE ALSO EMAIL BLAST ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS, UH, WITH, WITH PROPOSED RATE INCREASES, AND NOW WE HAVE NOTICE ON OUR BILLS. SO IF I CAN, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, I KNOW THERE WAS A DISCUSSION, UM, AND SEPTEMBER, WHAT ARE THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, JASON? WHEN WAS THE, WHEN, WHEN DID IT FIRST BILL START WITH THE NOTICE? UH, IT WAS SHORTLY AFTER THE, THE SEPTEMBER MEETING. WHAT HAD HAPPENED IS DURING THE IMPLEMENTATION, UH, THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT TEXT BOX ON THE OLD SYSTEM WAS NOT AVAILABLE IN THE NEW ONE. UM, AND NOT INTEREST OF PAYING FOR THAT. THERE WAS A TICKET ADDED, UH, FOR TYLER TECHNOLOGIES TO, UH, DURING AN UPDATE IF IT WAS POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO, TO ADD THAT. UM, SO WE WENT ON FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS NOT NEEDING THE TEXT BOX. UH, THEN WE OBVIOUSLY WENT THROUGH THE UTILITY RATE DISCUSSION, WHICH, YOU KNOW, REALLY CAME UP IN SEPTEMBER WHERE WE DISCUSSED THAT, WHERE A PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT. UH, AFTER THAT MEETING, I WENT TO, UH, MANNY AND THE TEAM TO DISCUSS THAT ISSUE. AND WE HAD REALIZED THAT THERE HAD BEEN, JUST HAD AN UPDATE TO THE SOFTWARE THAT OUR TICKET HAD BEEN DONE. SO WE ENDED UP NOT HAVING TO EXPEND OUR FUNDS TO DO A SPECIAL SOFTWARE UPDATE, WHICH WAS GOOD NEWS, AND WE GOT ACCESS TO THAT TEXT BOX. SO IMMEDIATELY, UH, THEY WORKED WITH, UH, FINANCE WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS TO ADD THE APPROPRIATE, UH, CITY REQUIRED LANGUAGE AND ALL THE UTILITY BILLS THAT WENT OUT, UM, SHORTLY THEREAFTER, UH, WENT, UM, HAD ALL OF THOSE NOTICES. SO THE GOOD NEWS IS, UM, THOUGH IT WAS A CIRCUM, UH, HAPPENSTANCE EFFECTIVELY, UM, THAT WILL NOT BE AN ISSUE GOING FORWARD. WE WILL GO BACK TO BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE PRINTED NOTICE HONOR UTILITY BILLS FOR THESE UPCOMING RATE INCREASES. FOR THIS LAST, FOR THIS NOTICE ONLY MEETING, THE NOTICE ONLY SAYS WHEN THERE'S GONNA BE A UTILITY RATE HIKE. WE COULD PUT ANYTHING ON THAT. NOTICE IF, IF THERE'S A MESSAGE THAT WE WANT TO PUT SENT TO THE CUSTOMERS, WE COULD PUT IT ON, ON THE BILL. UM, FOR THIS LAST COMMISSION MEETING WHERE WE, DO YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION WAS MADE FOR THE RATE INCREASES, DO YOU HAVE A SAMPLE? EVERYBODY RECEIVED A, A BILL. DO YOU BY ANY CHANCE HAVE A SAMPLE? I, I DON'T HAVE A SAMPLE BILL WITH ME, BUT I I CAN EMAIL YOU A SAMPLE BILL. SO IT, IT, WE GO BACK TO THE, THE CITY HAD HAS, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONALLY, WHICH I BELIEVE THAT WAS THAT RESIDENT'S CONCERN. UH, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE DO A LOT ARE THROUGH E-BILL NOW. SO WE WERE HAVING IT ON THE E-BILL. WE DO E-BLASTS, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO TAX. WE HAVE A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY WE DID. SO WE DIDN'T THINK THAT THIS WAS AN ISSUE, BUT WE HAD TO KNOW THAT ONE RESIDENT THAT RAISED THAT CONCERN. UH, BUT THE PROCESS, THE CITY HAS UTILIZED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, UH, WE'LL GO BACK TO UTILIZING THAT AND WHICH IS A FEW MONTHS PRIOR TO, UH, A, A RATE ADJUSTMENT GOING IN. THOSE NOTICES START GOING OUT JUST TO NOTIFY THE, UH, THE RESIDENTS. SO IT, UM, WE, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CONTINUING HOW, UH, WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT. SO I THINK THAT'S GOOD NEWS. WHAT'S THE CHARACTER COUNT ON THAT? NOTICE THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD, YOU SAID YOU COULD PUT ANYTHING. IT'S NOT VERY LARGE. IT'S, IT'S LARGE ENOUGH WHERE WE CAN FIT THE, THE VERBIAGE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A PROPOSAL RATE, INCREASED DISCUSSION ON SUCH AND SUCH DATE. BUT IT IS A FINITE NUMBER. OKAY. YEAH. WELL, IT IS A SHAME THAT YOU GOT, IT'S A SMALL PARAGRAPH. YEAH. SHAME THAT IT GOT, THAT THIS IS DOING AFTER WE PASSED THE, THE RATE, NO, NO, IT WENT OUT PRIOR TO THE SECOND READING E EVERYBODY FOR, FOR THIS LAST COMMISSION MEETING WHERE THE RATE DISCUSSION WAS OCCURRED, EVERYBODY RECEIVED AN AN, AN EMAIL AND THEY RECEIVED A NOTICE ON THEIR BILL. SO EVERYBODY WAS AWARE OF THE RATE INCREASE FOR THIS LAST COMMISSION MEETING. SO THAT WAS THE, THE GOOD NEWS WE WERE ABLE TO, TO HAVE THAT, UH, IMPLEMENTED IMMEDIATELY. AS SOON AS WE REALIZED THAT THAT FEATURE HAD BEEN TURNED ON AND IT WAS ABLE TO BE NOTICED PRIOR TO THE, UH, OCTOBER MEETING, WE RECEIVED ONE COMPLAINT. AND THAT INDIVIDUAL THAT RECEIVED A COMPLAINT, UH, KNEW ABOUT THE BRAID INCREASE BECAUSE HE HAD RECEIVED AN EMAIL THAT HE DID GET AN EMAIL IN ADDITION TO NOW GETTING IT ON HIS BILL. SO WHERE ARE WE WITH THIS ITEM? I'D STILL LIKE TO, IT'S, YEAH, BUT I'D STILL LIKE TO CODIFY THIS. SO THAT, I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION, RIGHT? UH, YES. THE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS? AND THE, THE FUTURE THAT I THINK A STATE STATUTE, I DON'T THINK IT NEED TO BE CODIFIED BECAUSE THERE'S A STATE STATUTE THAT WE NEED TO NOTIFY, UH, OUR UTILITY CUSTOMERS OF ANY PROPOSED RATE INCREASED DISCUSSIONS. YEAH, BUT THERE'S NOTHING LIKE DOING IT ON THE BILL, RIGHT? CORRECT. WE WERE DOING IT ELECTRON. WE WERE REALLY LOOKING ELECTRONICALLY. SO I'D LIKE TO CODIFY THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, NO FUTURE ADMINISTRATION CHANGED TO THIS. SO I'D LIKE TO MOVE IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS GETS APPROVED SO THAT THIS IS, IF IT, IF IT EVER HAS TO COME OFF, IT HAS NEEDS COMMISSION APPROVAL. SO I THINK BRING IT TO THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING. SO, UM, [00:40:01] I THINK WHAT WE DO IS RETURN TO COMMISSION WITH A FAVOR, RECOMMENDATION TO DIRECT THE ADMINISTRATION TO, UH, ALWAYS PLACE ON THE UTILITY BILL. ANY NOTICE OF UTILITY RATE ADJUSTMENTS? SURE. YEAH. I'LL MOVE IT. SLATE ALL. COMMISSIONER SUAREZ SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT. ITEM PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ, [OB 1. DISCUSS THE BENEFITS OF ON-DEMAND WATER MOBILITY SERVICES.] DO YOU WANT TO HEAR OB ONE ON DEMAND WATER MOBILITY? SURE. OB ONE, DISCUSS THE BENEFITS OF ON-DEMAND WATER MOBILITY SERVICES, OB ONE. SO, UM, DURING HIGH IMPACT WEEKENDS, UH, WE TEND TO COME TO A STANDSTILL. AND IN SPEAKING WITH A, UM, OPERATOR THAT, UM, WOULD PROBABLY BE INTERESTED IN APPLYING FOR ANY REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS OR, OR STUFF HE GAVE REALLY COMPELLING INFORMATION ON, ON DEMAND. AND, UM, JOSE, I'LL LET YOU GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS. THANK, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. UM, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR. COMMITTEE MEMBERS. JOSE GONZALEZ, TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR. SO, UM, AND COMMISSIONER, TO YOUR POINT, WE'VE REACHED OUT TO A COUPLE VENDORS, DONE A LITTLE BIT OF DUE DILIGENCE AND RESEARCH ON, ON THIS TOPIC OF ON DEMAND WATER TRANSPORTATION SERVICES. UH, I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY POTENTIAL IN BRINGING THAT SERVICE TO, UH, OUR CITY. IT'S USUALLY A PRIVATE SECTOR LED INITIATIVE WHERE THE GOVERNMENT BASICALLY FACILITATES THIS TYPE OF SERVICE HAPPENING. AND SO WE'VE, UM, GATHERED SOME GOOD INFORMATION FROM SOME OF THESE VENDORS. THERE ARE APPARENTLY MANY VENDORS OUT THERE. SO IN SPEAKING WITH OUR PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO PUT TOGETHER AN R-F-L-I-A REQUEST FOR LETTERS OF INTEREST FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE FOR DIFFERENT COMPANIES TO GIVE US THEIR IDEAS, THEIR APPROACH TO THIS TYPE OF SERVICE. AND THEN THAT I THINK WILL HELP US THEN CRAFT THE SOLICITATION DOCUMENT, WHICH MAY BE AN RFP OR AN RFQ TO, UM, OFFICIALLY, UH, ENGAGE AND SELECT A VENDOR FOR, FOR THESE SERVICES. AND WHAT WE'RE ENVISIONING IS, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE AT NO COST TO THE CITY. IN FACT, THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR REVENUE SHARE AND PARTNERING WITH THESE PRIVATE VENDORS FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF EITHER A, A AS I MENTIONED, REVENUE SHARE OR, UM, INVESTMENTS IN INFRASTRUCTURE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. AND NATALIE IS THEO ON THEO. UM, COULD YOU PROMOTE HIM TO SPEAK OR, I LOVE TO HEAR FROM THEO. THEO, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM THEO. HE WOULD POTENTIALLY BE SOMEONE THAT WOULD SUBMIT A PROPOSAL OF INTEREST. UM, AND WHAT I WANT HIM TO SHARE IS THE VISION OF HOW SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD WORK IN MIAMI BEACH. YES. HELLO? UH, YEAH, UH, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO, UM, PARTNER UP WITH, UH, DOCK SPACES, UH, WITH THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH. UH, JUST LIKE JOSE JUST MENTIONED, WE ARE OPEN TO OFFERING A REVENUE SHARE FOR ANY PICKUP AND DROP OFF HAPPENING TO THE, THOSE DEDICATED, UM, DOCK SPACES OR MARINAS, UH, AT THE CITY. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE ITEM TO THE FULL COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION TO SUBMIT AN RFLI. DO YOU MIND IF I, YOU KNOW, PLEASE FOR SOME QUESTIONS SO THAT WE CAN BAKE THIS. UM, HE, THEO MENTIONED THAT THEY WANT TO USE CITY DOC SPACE. UH, SO THE ONLY ONE THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT HAS INSURED AND THAT HAS ACCESS IS EITHER MIAMI BEACH MARINA OR THE SUNSET HARBOR. AND WE USE SUNSET HARBOR FOR THE WATER TAXI. SO HOW WOULD THAT WORK? WHERE WE'RE COMPETING WITH A PRIVATE AND WE HAVE OUR OWN SORT OF, YOU KNOW, TAXPAYER FUNDED TRANSPORTATION OUTTA SUNSET HARBOR AND THEN FOR SOUTH FIFTH, UH, MIAMI BEACH MARINA AND THAT'S RUN BY SUNTEC. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO, I'M ASSUMING AGREE YES. TO DO THAT AS WELL. WE COULDN'T FORCE THEM, I'M ASSUMING TO, TO TO, UH, TO WORK ON THIS, UH, WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO COORDINATE WITH SUNTEC AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SPEAK TO THEM ABOUT THIS. SO THE, YOU MENTIONED MARIE SKIP, UH, PARK THE SUNSET HARBOR DOCK AND THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. COMMISSIONER OUR, CURRENTLY OUR WATER TAXI OPERATOR, WHICH IS A PRIVATE OPERATOR, BUT IT PROVIDES A PUBLIC TRANSIT SERVICE. THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY [00:45:01] AUTHORIZED VIA A CITY AGREEMENT, AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY TO OPERATE OUT OF THAT, UH, DOCK. UM, THIS SERVICE BEING A TOTALLY PRIVATIZED SERVICE WOULD BE CONSIDERED LIKE A CHARTER SERVICE. AND OUR CODE CURRENTLY PROHIBITS CHARTER SERVICES FROM OPERATING OUT OF, UH, MURRAY SKIP. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD THERE BE INTEREST IN PURSUING THIS. SO WHAT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA DO AN RFLI, WHAT KIND OF BOATS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT LIKE WATER, TAXI BOATS? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, , ? ARE WE, ARE WE TALKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF BOATS? YEAH. IS IT, IS THIS LIKE A, IS THIS A PART? ARE THEY ALLOWED TO DRINK ON THE BOAT? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE LAST THING I KNOW SUNSET HARBOR WANTS IS A BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, UNRULY PASSENGERS WHO'VE BEEN DRINKING TO GET OFF ON THE DOCK NEXT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE ABOUT TO GET ON A WATER TAXI. SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE KIND OF BAKE THIS. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. AND, AND YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO THEO AND, AND I SAID, I TOLD HIM I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BETTER OPTIONS WOULD BE TO WORK AN AGREEMENT WITH A PRIVATE DOCK, UH, SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, THE WAVERLY, UH, NOT THE WAVERLY, UH, THE BENTLEY TOWERS. THEY HAVE A, A PRIVATE MARINA. UM, OR ANY OF, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THE CONDOS HAVE THESE DOCKS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH. BUT I JUST WANNA BE CAREFUL WHEN WE START OPENING UP A BUSINESS OF, OF PEOPLE TRAVELING ON THE WATER, RIGHT. UH, AND COMING OFF AND ON ON, ON CITY PROPERTY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF BAD THINGS HAPPEN ON THE WATER THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPICALLY DON'T HAPPEN, UM, WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING A CAR. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO MAYBE DISCUSS COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ, A COUPLE MORE SAFEGUARDS FOR THIS. LIKE WHAT KIND OF BOAT, WHAT KIND OF SIZE, YOU KNOW, ALCOHOL, IF IT'S GONNA BE ALLOWED ON THERE OR NOT. UM, AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE SORT OF GETTING OURSELVES INTO, ESPECIALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, SUNSET HARBOR. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF SUNSET HARBOR WANTS THAT SORT OF IMPACT OF, OF UM, UM, TRANSPORTATION AT THEIR DOCK. 'CAUSE WE ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LAUNCHING THEIR BOATS AND THEIR JET SKIS THERE. SO, UM, JUST GOTTA BE VERY REALLY MINDFUL OF, OF HOW WE KIND OF BAKE THAT. CAN I ASK YOU, YEAH, AND MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING ONLY FOR HIGH IMPACT WEEKENDS, UH, OR EVENTS, BUT, UM, THE PURPOSE IS TO GET CARS OFF THE ROAD, USE IT LIKE PEOPLE USE RIDE SHARE ON LAND, BUT ON WATER. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME STATE STATUTES AND SOME LIMITATIONS ON HOW WE DO THAT AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY, UH, THE PUBLIC, UM, MARINA CAME INTO THE CONVERSATION SO YOU AND I CAN DISCUSS FURTHER, UM, FOR WHEN WE BRING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AT THE FULL COMMISSION. YEAH, AND I THINK WE CAN PUT SOME PRETTY COMMON SENSE SAFEGUARDS IN WHERE NO ALCOHOL BOOK CAN'T HAVE MUSIC, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT YEAH, AND I'D LOVE TO SEE, UM, NOT REQUIRED, BUT UH, IT'D BE COOL TO HAVE ALMOST AN IDENTITY LIKE WE HAVE WITH OUR, UH, TROLLEYS OR HOW VENICE HAS WITH A SPECIAL TYPE OF BOAT. UM, DID THAT ALMOST BECOME A BRAND IN AND OF ITSELF? UH, BUT I LOVE THE IDEA. UH, I AGREE WITH, UH, SAFEGUARDS. I DON'T THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S UH, TERRIBLY DIFFICULT TO JUST SIT THERE AND BRAINSTORM THINGS LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMON SENSE MEASURES. YEAH. AND, AND YOU KNOW, JUST WHAT I HEAR, LIKE IT JUST SCARES ME A LITTLE BIT WHEN I HEAR RIDE SHARE SERVICES. 'CAUSE LIKE , IF IT'S ANYTHING LIKE THE UBERS DRIVE HERE, BUT IT WOULD BE FULLY OWNED. YEAH. YEAH. IT WOULD NOT BE LIKE, BECAUSE IF IF IT WOULD BE ANYTHING LIKE THE UBER DRIVERS HERE AND WE DON'T WANT THAT ON THE WATER. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL AND AND THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE. 'CAUSE THEN WE'D HAVE ALL THE, SO YEAH, WE JUST, SO IF WE APPROVE THIS TODAY, WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? IS IT TO BEGIN NEGOTIATIONS? IS IT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE TO, WHAT ARE YOU TAKE INTO OUR CONSIDERATIONS OF SAFEGUARDS FOR THIS? SO IT WOULD BE TO ISSUE AN RFLI AND IN THAT RFLI, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, DELINEATE SOME OF THESE, UM, SAFEGUARDS THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED. IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS, EVEN THIS INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED NOW IS HELPFUL IN US, YOU KNOW, CRAFTING THIS. AND SO THE RFLI IS THE FIRST PROCESS TO JUST GAIN MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE TYPE OF VENDORS THAT ARE OUT THERE, THE TYPE OF VESSELS THAT THEY WOULD USE, THE SIZE. WE CAN ASK FOR THAT INFORMATION, GATHER THAT INFORMATION AND THEN THAT WILL HELP US DETERMINE IF THIS IS EVEN A GOOD IDEA AND SHOULD MOVE FORWARD, UH, TO AN EITHER AN RFP OR AN RFQ OR WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE SOLICITATION DOCUMENT IS. BUT IT'S AN AREA WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EXPERTISE. SO [00:50:01] THE RFLI IS THAT DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD IN WHERE WE'RE TALKING TO VENDORS, GETTING THEIR IDEAS, THEIR APPROACHES AND THEN UM, WE WOULD COME BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION ONCE THERE. OH, HI CHRISTIE. YOU DID AGREE . JUST TO ADD TO WHAT JOSE SAID, KRISTI BALA, UM, THIS WOULD BE JUST TO GAUGE INTEREST FROM THE VENDOR COMMUNITY THAT OFFERS THESE TYPE OF SERVICES AND THEN WE CAN DECIPHER WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE OR NOT INCLUDE. AND IF WE WOULD LIKE TO ISSUE A SUBSEQUENT SOLICITATION SO THERE WOULD BE NO AWARD PURSUANT TO THE RLIS JUST TO GAUGE INTEREST AND RECEIVE INFORMATION. IF I COULD ASK JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, AS WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME DEFINITIVE, YOU KNOW, THINGS TO HELP, UM, YOU KNOW, REFINE THIS A LITTLE BIT. THERE'S DISCUSSION HERE ABOUT PUBLIC PROPERTIES, EVERYONE THAT IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED ON THE PRIVATE SIDE? AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. I USED TO LIVE AT SOUTH BAY CLUB AT EIGHTH AND WEST. UM, WOULD I BE ABLE TO CALL THIS WATER UBER, UM, TO PICK ME UP AT SOUTH BAY CLUB AND TAKE ME TO MOUNT SINAI? THEORETICALLY IF THEY HAD A DOCK, UH, WHICH WOULD A PRIVATE TO PRIVATE, YOU WOULDN'T NEED CITY APPROVAL FOR THAT, CORRECT? CITY APPROVAL ONLY COMES IN WHEN THERE'S UTILIZATION OF PUBLIC, UH, FACILITIES. SO, OKAY. AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S ONLY TWO LOCATIONS RIGHT IN MIAMI BEACH, SUNSET HARBOR AND MIAMI BEACH MARINA. OKAY, GOOD LUCK. SO I THINK IT'S TO RETURN TO COMMISSION WITH A FAVOR, RECOMMENDATION DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO PREPARE AN RFLI RELATED TO ON-DEMAND WATER MOBILITY SERVICES. AND I'M SORRY, WHO MADE THE, WHO WOULD MAKE THAT? I'LL MOVE IT. OKAY, I'LL SECOND MAGAZINE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL ITEM PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE, UH, TWO PRIORITY ITEMS OF MY COLLEAGUES I WANNA GET TO. UM, AND ALSO NICK, I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL 'CAUSE UH, YOU'RE HERE AND I KNOW YOU HAVE AN ITEM ON, I MAY HAVE TO STEP OUT, BUT PERHAPS ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES CAN, UH, HEAR, UH, THAT AND THEN YOU ALL CAN DECIDE, UH, HOW MUCH FURTHER OF THE AGENDA THAT, UH, THAT YOU WANT TO GET THROUGH. BUT I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH A LOT HERE. UM, LET'S HEAR, UH, WE'LL HEAR NB SIX AND MB FIVE. MR. CFOM MB SIX, [NB 6. DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL CREATION OF ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 18 STREET.] UH, DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL CREATION OF ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 18TH STREET, MB SIX. GOOD MORNING. DAVID GOMEZ, DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. UH, THIS IS AN ITEM THAT WAS A DUAL REFERRAL TO BOTH, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS AND FINANCE. WE DID, UH, HEAR THIS ITEM AT NEIGHBORHOODS, I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK. UM, AND THEY ARE PREPARED TO, OR THEY DID ISSUE A FAVORABLE RESPONSE TO THE COMMISSION TO GO AHEAD AND INCLUDE UNDER OPTION ONE ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 18TH STREET. UM, THE, THAT OPTION, UH, DELINEATES SOME PARALLEL PARKING THAT OBVIOUSLY DURING SPECIAL EVENTS AND LOAD IN AND LOAD OUT PERIODS WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO TURN INTO NO PARKING AREAS. DAVID, WHAT AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE ARE WE TAKING AWAY? THAT'S MY CONCERN. UM, UNDER, UNDER THIS OPTION, WE WOULDN'T BE TAKING ANY OF THE GREEN SPACE. OKAY. STAY WITHIN, CAN I THAT ITEM? I'M SORRY. UM, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY ON 18TH STREET, NOT 19TH STREET, WHICH IS WHERE WE WERE CONSIDERING TAKING AWAY GREEN SPACE. SO WHAT HAPPENS RIGHT NOW IS PEOPLE ALREADY PARK HERE, THEY USE IT AS PARKING, BUT THEY JUST PARK THERE ILLEGALLY. AND I DON'T WANNA CALL OUT ANYBODY THAT DOES THAT. UM, BUT THEY DO, AND SO MY REASON FOR PUTTING THIS ON IS WHY DON'T WE JUST PAINT THE LINES AND MAKE IT LEGAL PARKING. SO THIS IS 18TH STREET, RIGHT WHERE THE PARKING GARAGE IS RIGHT OUTSIDE. UM, I ACTUALLY MAYBE PARKED ILLEGALLY THERE RIGHT NOW. OKAY. WHY WASN'T GONNA CALL YOU OUT, COMMISSIONER ? UM, ANYWAY, SO THE, I THINK WE CAN ADD 11 SPOTS THERE. AND ALSO SINCE THERE'LL BE OUR PARKING, IF WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, SAY NO PARKING HERE FOR A LOAD-IN OF ART BASER OR AN EVENT OR SOMETHING, WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE THERE'LL BE OUR SPOTS. BUT WE ARE ADDING 11 SPOTS HERE. UH, OKAY, GREAT. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE TOUCHING THE GREEN MEDIAN ON 19TH STREET? CORRECT. OKAY. CORRECT. YEAH, THAT, THAT WAS MY ONLY CONCERN THAT I HAD WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED. SO, UH, ABSENT THAT, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THIS. SO THE, THE ONLY CAVEAT, UM, WE MAY ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO PICK UP ANOTHER SPACE OR TWO. UH, THE, THE LAYOUT WAS DONE PRELIMINARILY INTERNALLY BY, BY CITY STAFF. UH, ONCE WE GO TO THE COUNTY AND GET THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PICK UP AN ADDITIONAL SPACE OR TWO. OKAY. AND I, I APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR DILIGENCE ON THIS COMMISSIONER AND, UH, UH, LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, TO GET THE SAME END GOAL AND, UH, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION SOME OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT. SO KUDOS ON THAT. OKAY. SO THE COMMITTEE IS INTERESTED IN, IN OPTION ONE, WHICH I THINK WAS THE LOWER COST. IT WAS 60, 70, $80,000. I BELIEVE THAT TOTAL ESTIMATED PROJECT COST WAS ABOUT 61. WE'LL KNOW MORE ONCE WE GET THE DESIGN AND THEORETICALLY WE WILL MAKE SOME OF THAT UP BECAUSE THAT [00:55:01] PARKING WILL BE CHARGED FOR. YES, SIR. YES. THEY, THEY WOULD REQUIRE MORE LIKELY A BUDGET AMENDMENT, BUT WE COULD UTILIZE PARKING FUNDS, WHICH WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. SO I BELIEVE IF WE'RE AT THAT POINT, WE RETURN TO COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION, DIRECT ADMINISTRATION TO IMPLEMENT, UH, OPTION ONE AS PRESENTED FOR THE ADDITIONAL PARKING ON 18TH STREET TO REPAIR THE APPROPRIATE BUDGET AMENDMENT. WHO'S MAKING THAT MOTION? UH, COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ. UH, DO YOU WANNA MAKE A COMMENT? YEAH. UM, SO THAT OPTION DOES NOT REMOVE THE GREENERY, WHICH WOULD BE IN LINE WITH PALM VIEW NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, UM, RECOMMENDATION. 'CAUSE THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT GREENERY. I, YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS RELATED TO THE 19TH. I SAW THAT COME OUT THAT IT WAS THE 19TH STREET. SO, UH, WE NEED SOMEONE TO MAKE THAT MOTION. AND HOW MUCH IS IT? SORRY, THIS, THIS PROJECT IS ESTIMATED, TOTAL PROJECT COST IS 61,000. WE WOULD TAKE IT FROM THE, UH, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES? 11. UH, WE GAIN 11 AGAIN, WE MAY BE ABLE TO PICK THEM ABOUT ANOTHER SPACE OR TWO, DEPENDING ON PERMITTING. WHY DOES IT COST 61 GRAND? PUT SOME PAINT ON THE FLOOR BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO DESIGN FEES, IMPACT FEES, UH, ALL OF THE OTHER IMPACT FEES. TO WHO? I'M SORRY. WAIT, WE'RE WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WE'RE, WE'RE THE GOVERNMENT. WE, WE PAY OURSELVES THE IMPACT FEES. UH, EVERYONE OF OUR PROJECTS CONTRIBUTES TO ARTS AND PUBLIC PLACES AND OTHER STUFF THAT WE, WE HAVE TO PAY INTO. CAN WE WAIVE OUR IMPACT FEES? AT, AT THE COMMISSION CAN? YES. . OKAY. WHAT OTHER FEES ARE THERE? I DON'T HAVE THE BREAKDOWN, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE IT CAME OUT TO. OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST CRAZY THAT 11 SPOTS COST 61,000. I MEAN, JUST PAINT. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING. WE'RE JUST PUTTING PAINT DOWN. RIGHT. THERE IS ADDITIONAL THINGS LIKE SIGNAGE AND OTHER STUFF THAT NEEDS TO GO UP. WE HAVE OUR OWN IN-HOUSE SIGN MAKING. YES, WE DO. OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, SURE. YEAH. I LIKE THE ITEM. I THINK, YOU KNOW, I LIKE HAVING MORE PARKING SPACES, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE HAVE THE NEW HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL SIGN. BUT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST COMMISSIONER AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT IS REALLY EXPENSIVE FOR JUST, I MEAN, HE, HE'S RIGHT. LIKE WE JUST THROW THESE THINGS OUT THERE LIKE, OH, JUST BECAUSE AS IS WHAT I MEAN, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP 70 GRAND OR 60 GRAND TO PAINT. WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE, ? LIKE, WHAT ARE WE DOING? THIS IS HOW YOU GET TO A BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET. WE, WE, WE NEED TO START BEING DILIGENT ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE THINGS. EVERY SINGLE THING THAT COMES BEFORE OUR CITY, IT SHOULD NOT BE TAKING $60,000 TO PUT PAINT. AND, AND IF THERE'S THESE RIDICULOUS FEES, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS TO BE PROACTIVE AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS WHY IT'S COSTING 65,000. LET'S EXAMINE SOME OF THIS. LIKE, WHAT IF I WENT AND I STOOD OUTSIDE OF PUBLIX AND I, I TOLD OUR TAXPAYERS, OH, IT'S GONNA COST US $65,000 TO PAINT 10 PARKING SPACES. THEY'D BE LIKE, I CAN'T WAIT TO FIRE YOU NEXT TO ELECTION. AND THEY'D BE RIGHT IN SAYING THAT, BUT WE HAVE TO DO BETTER HERE. AND WE CAN'T JUST BE IN THE BUSINESS OF SAYING THAT'S JUST BECAUSE. SO, SO DAVID, WHAT, YOU KNOW, IT COMES OUT TO OVER FIVE GRAND A SPACE. AND AGAIN, THERE'S NO REAL, THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. THEY'RE JUST PUTTING PAINT DOWN. SO LIKE, IS THAT SOMETHING THE CITY CAN DO? WELL, I THINK THEY, I THINK THE THING THAT WE'RE MISSING, I'D RATHER, I'D RATHER HIRE ONE OF OUR, ONE OF OUR TEAM TO JUST PUT THE PAINT, RIGHT? SO I THINK THE THING THAT WE'RE MISSING IS THIS INCLUDE, THIS IS AN ALL IN NUMBER. IT IS NOT JUST THE CONSTRUCTION COST OR THE PAINT COST. THIS INCLUDES THE CONSULTANT FEES, THE PERMITTING FEES, THE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU CAN HIRE A CONSULTANT. AGAIN, WHEN I HEAR PERMIT FEES, I HEAR JUST PAYING OURSELVES OR WHAT ARE WE CONSULTING ON DESIGN. OKAY. IN ORDER, IN ORDER TO SUBMIT TO THE COUNTY, IT HAS TO BE A SIGNED AND SEALED ENGINEER DRAWING THAT REQUIRED MEET ALL THEIR REQUIREMENTS. THIS IS JUST ALL INSANE. DO WE NOT HAVE AN IN-HOUSE ENGINEER? AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR ITEM. I, I LOVE YOUR ITEM. THE, THE GOVERNMENT IS ABSOLUTELY INSANE. A CONSULTANT FEE. CAN WE, CAN WE SEE A COST BREAKDOWN WHEN THIS COMES BACK TO COMMISSION? ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT WAY WE CAN MAYBE, AND I GET YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY LIKE, OH MY GOD, SHUT UP. BUT THINK ABOUT HOW JUST THE NORMAL PERSON HEARS THIS A CONSULTING FEE TO PUT PAINT ON A PARKING SPACE ON ASPHALT. IT'S CRAZY TO, TO SUBMIT TO THE COUNTY. WE NEED TO PAY A CONSULTANT AND THEN PERMIT FEES AND THEN AN IMPACT FEE. WHAT? AND EVEN IF IT'S NOT WITH ANYBODY OUT, HERE'S MONEY, IT'S WITH OUR TAXPAYER'S MONEY, RIGHT? WE, WE HAVE TO DO BETTER. SO WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO TO DAVID? WHAT CAN WE DO TO SHRINK THAT COST? I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE WHERE, WHERE THE BREAKDOWN WAS TO SEE WHERE WHAT WE CAN CUT. THERE'S NOT MUCH TO CUT IN THAT NUMBER. THERE REALLY ISN'T HAPPENING BACK. I, BUT WHEN WE, YEAH, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN THIS COMES BACK TO COMMISSION WITH THE BREAKDOWN OF THESE COSTS, MAYBE WE CAN HAVE THE FULL DISCUSSION AT COMMISSION TO SAY, HEY, LET'S LOOK AT THIS. CAN WE WAIVE THIS FEE TO [01:00:01] OURSELF? OR CAN WE DO THIS BETTER IN HOUSE OR CAN WE, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S THE SAME CONVERSATION AS THE SWIM WEEK, RIGHT? I, I DON'T MEAN TO BE PICKING ON THIS ITEM, BUT IT'S IN FRONT OF US AND I GO, WOW. IF WE'RE PAYING $65,000 FOR 12 PARKING SPOTS THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY DO, I DON'T, I DON'T. I'LL GO OUT AND I'LL DO IT FOR LESS THAN A THOUSAND DOLLARS. BUT YEAH. I MEAN, SIR, IF THAT'S THE CASE, HOW ABOUT THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE A HUNDRED MILLION, 200 MILLION, $300 MILLION, HOW MUCH WASTE IS IN THAT? IT'S NOT FRAUD, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, BUT WASTE THINGS THAT ARE JUST YEAH, LET'S PAY THIS, LET'S PAY THAT. THERE'S BIG NUMBERS THAT START ADDING UP. YEAH. ARE ARE WE BEING NITPICKY ABOUT THIS? MAY MAYBE WE SAVE 10 OR $20,000. THOSE THING, IT IT'S JUST A PRACTICE AND STANDARD OF HOW WE DO THINGS. I JUST, MAYBE I'LL NEVER GET GOVERNMENT. OKAY. WELL WE'LL HAVE A COST BREAKDOWN BEFORE THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. I THINK OBVIOUSLY PART OF THE ISSUE IS IT REQUIRES DESIGN, UH, YOU KNOW, AN AN ACTUAL ENGINEERING DESIGN. 'CAUSE YOU'RE CONVERTING A TRAVEL LANE INTO . DO WE HAVE, DO WE NOT HAVE AN IN-HOUSE ENGINEER TO DO THESE DRAWINGS? I'M PRETTY SURE WE HAVE AN IN-HOUSE ENGINEER. WE HAVE NUMEROUS ENGINEERS THAT WORK FOR THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW IF OUR INSURANCE ALLOWS THEM TO DO TECHNICAL DRAWINGS FOR, FOR CONSTRUCTION. YEAH. THESE THINGS, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE WHY NOT. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A REGISTERED ENGINEER THAT WORKS FOR A MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I DON'T SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHY NOT? HE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, WE COULD LOOK INTO. YEAH, WE LOOK INTO IT. JUST ONE, AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE OVERALL COST, BUT JUST ONE THING IT IS THAT THIS WILL MONEY WILL NOT BE TO ACTUALLY TAXPAYER MONEY. IT WILL BE PARKING FUND MONEY, WHICH TRADITIONALLY COMES FROM, SOLELY FROM JASON. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, ALL THE MONEY THAT IS IN OUR BANK ACCOUNTS IS TAXPAYER MONEY. OKAY. SO PLEASE DON'T GASLIGHT US ON WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, TAXPAYER MONEY OR WHAT'S NOT. SO, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE BRINGS UP A REALLY GOOD POINT THAT YOU, WE ARE SEEING HOW RIDICULOUS THIS COST IS FOR JUST 10 PARKING SPACES. IMAGINE WHAT IT IS FOR, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS SUCH AS LIKE THE 72ND STREET, YOU KNOW, COMPLEX THAT WE'RE GONNA BE POTENTIALLY BUILDING. SO, UM, THERE IS A LOT OF WASTE, OBVIOUSLY. AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE EXPECT YOU GUYS TO DO MUCH BETTER, AND CERTAINLY IF THERE'S LIKE IMPACT FEES THAT ARE PAYING OURSELVES, I MEAN, WE JUST WAIVED IMPACT FEES OR OTHER FEES FOR, FOR SOMEONE TODAY, WE SHOULD WAIVE IMPACT FEES FOR TAXPAYERS IF WE DON'T NEED TO CHARGE THEM. , THE CONSULTANT ONE GOT ME. WHAT ARE WE CONSULTING? IT IS, I DUNNO. THERE'S A, THERE'S A, I DON'T EVEN, NOWHERE TO START. WELL, I STATED A MOTION, BUT I, WE HAVE NO ONE MAKING IT OR SECONDING IT. DID I MAKE THE MOTION? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. YEP. WE'LL SHOW, UH, COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ MADE THE MOTION SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MAGAZINE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ITEM PASSES THREE. THANK YOU. THANK DAVID. I WANT TO HEAR, UH, NB FIVE, UH, DISCUSS WATER CONSERVATION REBATE. AND THEN I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET OUT. DO I HAND IT TO YOU? COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ? UM, AND MAYBE IF I COULD ASK, IF YOU WOULD HEAR, NICK, ARE, ARE YOU LEAVING FOR THE REST OF THE DAY OR JUST FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? YEAH, FOR THE REST OF THE DAY. AND THEN YOU CAN ALL DISCUSS, UH, HOW MUCH CAN I JUST CLARIFY THAT IT'S NOT NICK'S ITEM. IT'S MY ITEM. AND NICK, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T EVEN MEET TO WITH YOU UNTIL YESTERDAY. SO THAT'S ALL. I GLAD YOU'RE HERE, BUT I WANT TO RESPECT JUST 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T, AREN'T YOU? YEAH. WHO'S THE VICE CHAIR FOR THIS COMMITTEE? OH, OKAY. I I ALSO HAVE A TO LEAVE SOON, BUT YEAH. SO, UM, CLEARLY WE WILL HEAR THIS ITEM IF THERE'S TIME, UM, THE, THE SECOND ITEM. BUT WE CAN JUST WORK TO TRY TO GET THESE TWO ITEMS DONE. BUT LET'S, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME JUST INTRODUCE THIS ITEM REAL QUICK SINCE WE'RE SHORT ON TIME. IF I, SORRY. MB FIVE [NB 5. DISCUSS IMPLEMENTING A SUPPLEMENTAL WATER CONSERVATION REBATE PROGRAM.] DISCUSS IMPLEMENTING A SUPPLEMENTAL WATER CONSERVATION REBATE PROGRAM. MB FIVE. OKAY. VERY SIMPLE. WE, YOU KNOW, JUST RAISE THE WATER RATES ON RESIDENTS THERE. THIS IS A UNIQUE WAY TO, UM, UPDATE, UH, OUR RESIDENTS WATER CONSUMPTION SO THAT THEY HOPEFULLY DON'T HAVE TO PAY AS MUCH FOR WATER RATES. PERHAPS IF THEIR SHOWER HEAD IS PUTTING OUT WAY TOO MUCH WATER. I MEAN, I LIKE A LOT OF WATER, BUT SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME RESIDENTS MAY WANT TO UPGRADE THEIR, THEIR SYSTEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT TO CURB BACK THE, UM, THE WATER CONSUMPTION THAT, THAT THEY'RE TYPICALLY USING. SO JOHN, IF YOU WANT TO BRING IT, BRING IT HOME FOR A COUPLE POINTS TO TO POINT OUT. I THINK YOU SAID THIS WAS A GREAT IDEA. UM, LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS. YES, GOOD MORNING COMMITTEE MEMBERS. UM, SO CURRENTLY MIAMI-DADE COUNTY DOES OFFER WATER CONSERVATION REBATE PROGRAMS. WE WORK WITH THEM. [01:05:01] WE HELP TO ADVERTISE THEM AND CONNECT OUR CUSTOMERS WITH THE COUNTY TO RECEIVE THOSE REBATES. THOSE REBATES ARE ON LOW FLOW FIXTURES. UH, $50 FOR A TOILET OR UP TO $50 FOR A LOW FLOW TOILET. AND THEN $25 UP TO $25 FOR A SHOWER HEAD OR FT. IN ADDITION, OUR RATE STRUCTURE IS SUCH THAT THE LESS YOU USE, THE LESS YOU PAY PER UNIT PRICE OF WATER. HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT YOUR AVERAGE FAMILY LIVING IN MIAMI BEACH BECAUSE THE BREAKING POINT'S ABOUT 8,000 GALLONS A DAY AND MOST FAMILIES GONNA USE LESS THAN THAT. UM, I'M SORRY, DID I SAY AT 8,000 GALLONS A MONTH. AND MOST FAMILIES GONNA USE LESS THAN THAT. SO THEY DON'T REALLY SEE THE BENEFIT OF THAT. WE CAN'T LEGALLY SUBSIDIZE ANY PARTICULAR RATE PAYER, ALL RATE PAYERS HAVE TO PAY OFF THE SAME RATE SCHEDULE. HOWEVER, WE COULD COME UP WITH ADDITIONAL REBATES ON LOW FLOW FIXTURES IF THAT WAS THE WILL OF THE COMMITTEE AND THE COMMISSION. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE AN ADVANCED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM WHERE WE REPLACED ALL THE METERS WITH MOST MODERN METERS. WHAT THIS DOES IS IT ALLOWS THE CUSTOMERS TO, IN REAL TIME SEE THEIR USAGE, GET LEAK DETECTION NOTIFICATION SO THEY KNOW WHEN THEY HAVE A PROBLEM SO THEY CAN GET IT ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY. OKAY. I'D LIKE JUST DISCUSS THIS AT THE FULL COMMISSION. I'LL MOVE IT I SECOND. SO IT'S UH, TO RETURN TO, IS THERE SPECIFICS I'M NOT HERE. IS IT JUST RETURN TO COMMISSION, UH, WITH FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO IMPLEMENT A SUPPLEMENTAL QUAD CONSERVATION REBATE PROGRAM? 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE NEED DISCUSSION ABOUT DOLLARS OR SPECIFIC, THE SPECIFICS OF THE PROGRAM. DO WE NEED SOME DEFINITION THERE OR SENDING IT BACK JUST WITH THAT TERMINOLOGY IS 'CAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION THEN, RIGHT? MM-HMM . I'M, I'M SORRY. JUST, YEAH, SO IF YOU WANT IT COULD COME BACK AS A DISCUSSION. TAKE ACTION TO THE COMMISSION OR JUST THE SURE. OKAY. SO WE'LL, WE'LL SHOW A RETURN TO COMMISSION WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR A DISCUSSION. TAKE ACTION ON A SUPPLEMENTAL WATER CONSERVATION REBATE PROGRAM. OKAY. SO WE'LL SHOW, UH, EXCUSE COMMISSIONER SCHWARZ WILL MAKE THAT MOTION. YES, YES. UH, SECONDED BY I SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? A. ALRIGHT, ITEM PASSES. AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS ONE LAST ITEM. HEAR THAT? AERIAL CABLE CARDS. SURE. THANK YOU. I'LL PROBABLY SLIP OUT, UH, IN BETWEEN. SO MR. IF YOU WANNA SEE THAT ITEM OUT. OKAY. AND I'LL CALL IT IN. UH, OUR LAST ITEM TODAY WILL [NB 10. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE CREATION OF AN AERIAL CABLE CAR SERVICE CONNECTING THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH WITH THE CITY OF MIAMI.] BE, UH, MB 10, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE CREATION OF AN AERIAL CABLE CAR SERVICE CONNECTING THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH WITH THE CITY OF MIAMI MB 10. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, SO THIS IS MY ITEM THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WOULD BE FANTASTIC FOR MIAMI BEACH IN TERMS OF BOTH TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND NUMBER TWO, A TOURIST ATTRACTION. BECAUSE THE VIEWS ON THIS WOULD BE INCREDIBLE. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S FEASIBLE. I KNOW THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS, GETTING PEOPLE FROM MIAMI TO MIAMI BEACH. I'D LIKE TO START WITH ONE AND THEN SEE HOW IT CAN BE EXPANDED TO GO NORTH TO SOUTH. THIS IS A HUGE PROJECT AND A LOT OF MONEY. SO, BUT, BUT THERE, THERE ARE MONIES AVAILABLE FOR THIS. THERE CAN MAYBE BE PRIVATE DOLLARS. UM, I, YOU KNOW, WANNA SEE WHERE THIS GOES TO SEE IF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS. I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT WATER TAXES AS WELL, WHICH IS ALSO GREAT, WHICH I FULLY SUPPORT. UM, BUT I THINK THAT, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA COME EVENTUALLY ANYWAY, I, I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE IN THIS CONVERSATION SO WE DON'T MISS THE BOAT. AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, MIAMI IS ALREADY DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR. THEY'RE HAVING A CORRIDOR UP SCA BOULEVARD THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT DOING. SO, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WE, YOU KNOW, COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT CONNECTS MIAMI BEACH TO MIAMI AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GOING AROUND MIAMI BEACH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING OVER THE TUTTLE. UM, THAT'S WHERE MOST A LOT OF OUR TRAFFIC IS. I'D LIKE TO ALSO IN A, IN A PERFECT WORLD, IF I WERE AN ENGINEER AND COULD DESIGN THIS NEITHER, WHICH I AM, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING ON TOP OF THE CONVENTION CENTER THAT COULD TAKE PEOPLE FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER TO INTO MIAMI NEAR MIDTOWN. UM, AND AGAIN, GOING NORTH TO SOUTH EVENTUALLY, IF THIS WORKS. I APPRECIATE THAT NICK IS HERE. I, THIS IS NOT FOR NICK. I DON'T WANT TO LEAD YOU ON TO BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT 'CAUSE YOU WON'T. UM, THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT, THAT ARE IN THIS SPACE AND IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE MAKING MEETINGS WITH FOLKS. I KNOW THAT YOU MET WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, BUT AGAIN, I DIDN'T MEET WITH YOU TILL YESTERDAY. SO, [01:10:01] YOU KNOW, THIS WILL BE A FAIR PROCESS THAT WILL, UM, ALLOW PEOPLE TO APPLY IF THIS EVEN GETS TRACTION. 'CAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY. UM, AND THERE'S OTHER FOLKS IN THIS SPACE THAT DO THIS AS WELL. SO CONGRATULATIONS ON MAKING IT IN THE MEMO. BUT AGAIN, THIS WILL BE A FAIR PROCESS AND, AND, AND MAY THE BEST COMPANY WIN IF THIS EVEN GETS THAT FAR. SO LET'S, LET'S HEAR WHAT MY COLLEAGUES THINK. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO THIS IS THE, THE GONDOLA TYPE. YEAH. YEAH. I, I DON'T KNOW, COMMISSIONER. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA WANT GONDOLAS COMING BETWEEN MIAMI AND MIAMI BEACH. AND, AND, AND YOU SAID THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY. HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE TALKING? A LOT? A LOT. BUT I WILL SAY THIS, YOU KNOW, MIAMI'S ALREADY, YOU KNOW THIS, BUT LIKE, WHY, WHY? YEAH, BUT THIS WOULD, FIRST OF ALL THIS WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD'VE TO INVOLVE MANY AGENCIES. YEP. COUNTY, THE STATE, FEDERAL, AND, AND WE WOULD POTENTIALLY NEED A BILLION DOLLARS FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. RIGHT. AND THEY COULD PAY FOR IT TOO THOUGH. BUT, BUT YEAH. BUT YOU KNOW, JUST YESTERDAY I HAD TO PUT ON RAIN BOOTS TO WALK AND IT, UM, IN TWO FEET OF WATER. I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY, LET'S PUT IT ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, GONDOLAS TO MIAMI AND HERE. AND I MEAN, I'D RATHER HAVE THE METRO MOVER COME TO MIAMI THAN GONDOLAS. UH, . I DON'T THINK ANYONE WANTS TO SEE GONDOLAS IN MIAMI BEACH WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. I, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK IT'S JUST, IT'S KIND OF, I MEAN, THAT MAY WORK IN OTHER CITIES, BUT MIAMI BEACH, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WANNA SEE GONDOLAS COMING FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER TO THE CITY OF MIAMI. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, YOU GUYS KNOW, I, I DON'T, I I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, RIDICULOUS. THAT'S FAIR. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I THINK PEOPLE DO WANNA SEE THIS. AND WE'RE, AND THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN IN MIAMI. HE'S ALREADY, HE'S, NICK TOLD ME WHEN I MET WITH HIM YESTERDAY, HE'S MEETING AT THE TPO. HE'S, HE'S BEING PRESENT. HE'S PRESENTING AT THE TPO, HE'S MEETING WITH COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. SO EITHER WE, WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS CONVERSATION OR WE GET LEFT OUT ENTIRELY. AND LISTEN, I'M, I'M ON THE TPO, I NEVER HEARD THIS ITEM. AND I CAN TELL YOU ONE THING THAT THE TPO AIN'T GONNA PROVE THIS LIKE THAT JUST, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN CON ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING HOW MUCH OF A BUDGET SHORTFALL THE COUNTY HAS AND, AND NOT TO MENTION IF AMENDED THREE PASSES. SO LOOK, I MEAN, I THINK THIS WOULD BE NICE IN SORT OF LIKE A UTOPIA. UH, BUT YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY I WOULDN'T LIVE IN UTOPIA. UM, BUT I, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BEFORE I WOULD, I WOULD ASK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ANY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, IS THIS REALLY WHAT YOU WANT AND WHAT YOUR TAX DOLLARS TO GO TO FOR GONDOLAS? I THINK THEY WOULD BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF PERHAPS A METRO MOVER OR A LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM ON THE GROUND. YOU KNOW, AND I, IN ABOUT 10 YEARS, WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA NEED CARS. WE'RE GONNA HAVE JUST SELF-DRIVING CARS EVERYWHERE. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO DRIVING THAT WILL ALLEVIATE OUR TRAFFIC. SELF CARS DRIVING CARS DON'T ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC. YEAH. LISTEN, I MEAN, I THINK THE WAY TECHNOLOGY'S GOING IS IT'S, IT'S FAR OUTPACING, AND EVEN IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS TODAY, IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T BE READY TO BE FUNDED AND A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS. I MEAN, LOOK AT THE CITY OF MIAMI WITH THAT BRIDGE. IT'S TAKING OVER 10 YEARS TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME 10 YEARS HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO KNOWS WHAT KIND OF TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENTS WE MAY HAVE IN, IN TRANSPORTATION. I JUST DON'T THINK, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS EVEN WARRANTS LIKE FURTHER DISCUSSION TO BE HONEST. I THINK THIS NEEDS TO GO REALLY ASK THE RESIDENTS. 'CAUSE I, I DON'T SEE ANY RESIDENT THINKING THAT WE WANT TO SEE GONDOLAS, UH, YOU KNOW, UP AND DOWN MIAMI OR THE TUTTLE OR THE MACARTHUR. I CERTAINLY KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, POM AND HIBISCUS ISN'T GONNA WANT THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS IS GONNA WORK WITH YOU. IT WON'T BE THERE THOUGH. I'M, I'M THINKING OVER THE TUTTLE, BUT I HEAR YOU. IT'S OKAY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE, YEAH, IT'S OKAY. LIKE WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE. SO I THINK IT'S A COOL IDEA. I'VE RIDDEN IN METIN AND IT HAS WON INTERNATIONAL AWARDS AND HELPED TRANSFORM PARTS OF THE CITY. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET THERE. RIGHT. UM, LONGER, LONG ROUTE, NOT RIGHT. . UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET A CONNECTOR, UM, OVER THE TUTTLE. IT'S ALREADY BEEN TRIED, UM, OVER MACARTHUR AND THEN AS COMMISSIONER SUAREZ SAID, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THERE WERE NOT INTERESTED FOUGHT AGAINST IT. SO HAVING IT OVER THE TUTTLE, WHICH WOULD BE THE GATEWAY TO OUR TWO LARGEST, UH, EMPLOYERS, I THINK IT'S CRITICAL. IT'S WORTH A DISCUSSION. [01:15:01] UM, FOR AT LEAST THAT INITIAL CONNECTOR. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. YEAH. AND I'M FINE TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS. I WOULDN'T PUT MONEY INTO LIKE, DOING ANY TYPE OF MONEY TOWARDS A PLAN OR DESIGN WHEN IT'S SO PIE IN THE SKY AS OF NOW. BUT IF THERE ARE PRIVATE ENTITIES THAT ESSENTIALLY WANTED TO TAKE THAT ROUTE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A PROJECT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S NOT AN IDEA THAT I'M IMMEDIATELY AGAINST. I JUST, UH, I'M, I'M COGNIZANT OF, YOU KNOW, JUST HOW PIE IN THE SKY IT IS JUST FUNDING, YOU KNOW, PLANNING, UM, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, AT AT LEAST 10 YEARS. UH, SO I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ANY COMPANIES THAT WOULD DO THIS FOR PROFIT, ALMOST LIKE A BRIGHT LINE, IF YOU WILL. UM, WHERE TAXPAYER MONEY ISN'T USED, BRIGHT LINE'S GOING BANKRUPT. AND BY THE WAY, SOMEONE JUST MESSAGED ME, TPO PREVIOUSLY REJECTED AERIAL CABLE TRANSIT BACK IN THE 2000 TENS. SO, SO GUESS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS? I'M NOT AGAINST THE IDEA. I, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET THERE. AND, UM, I, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT MONEY FOR FURTHER STUDIES UNTIL THERE CAN BE AT LEAST SOME SORT OF LIKE, PLAN OF FEASIBILITY, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL. BUT I, I, I DON'T DISMISS THE IDEA. I I THINK WE ALL NEED OUTSIDE THE BOX THINKING, IF I MAY, JOSE. UH, THIS IS BEING STUDIED AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. IT CURRENTLY IS NOT. NO. OKAY. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, MANY YEARS AGO. MM-HMM . UH, WE ACTUALLY ATTACHED THAT STUDY TO THIS ITEM. IN SHORT, THE STUDY, UH, SAID THAT THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, LIMITED, UH, LIMITED BENEFIT TO THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY. UH, IT MAY WORK, IT HAS WORKED IN OTHER PLACES. UM, BUT I MEAN, THIS WORKS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IN LIKE A SKI TOWN, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO GO UP A MOUNTAIN, THEY HAVEN'T RATHER THAN IN NEW YORK, THEY'VE GOT 'EM IN BRAZIL. THEY, THEY HAVE 'EM ALL OVER. YEAH. I MEAN, LOOK, THAT MIGHT WORK FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR PLACES WITH A MOUNTAINOUS REGION, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU HAVE TO GO VERTICAL. FINE. I, I GET IT. THAT'S, THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT WE'RE PRETTY FLAT HERE. AND YOU, IT DOESN'T NEED A MOUNTAIN TO WORK. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PUT ONE AT, AT THE TUTTLE. IT'S OKAY. I I I GET IT. YOU CAN BE AGAINST IT. IT'S OKAY. BUT COMMISSIONER, I MEAN, JUST RESPECTFULLY, I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS, THIS SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE PIE IN THE SKY. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE GONDOLAS ABSOLUTELY PIE IN THE SKY. IT IS, IT IS. IT'S GONNA TAKE A LONG TIME AND A LOT OF MONEY AND IT MIGHT NOT WORK. BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THIS, THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE FED UP WITH THE TRAFFIC ON 41ST STREET. THEY'RE FED UP WITH THE TRAFFIC ALL OVER. AND IF WE CAN GET, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, 500 PEOPLE ON THIS ROUTE TO ZIP AROUND, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HELP. AND, AND WE HAVE TO BE, WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE PIE IN THE SKY IDEAS TO SEE WHAT WORKS AND, AND WHAT DOESN'T. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD KILL IT TODAY. AND I WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO SEND IT A FULL COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO SUPPORT IT. I'LL MOVE IT. OKAY. SO THERE'S A, A MOTION TO SEND A COMMISSION THIS ITEM TO COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION, UH, MADE BY COMMISSIONER MONICA SALINAS. SORRY, AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DOMINGUEZ. Y YEAH. SO JUST, YEAH, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DISCUSS EXACTLY, I GUESS THE FEASIBILITY, AND I'M ACTUALLY INTERESTED TOO, JOSE, IF, WHAT WOULD BE LIKE THE NEXT STEP? WOULD IT BE A FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT COSTS A BUNCH OF MONEY OR, WELL, DISCUSSIONS WAS, WAS RAISED DISCUSSIONS DON'T COST MONEY. WE COULD ALWAYS HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TPO, WITH, WITH THE COUNTY. THESE ARE, THESE ARE VERY COMPLEX, AS YOU MENTIONED, EXPENSIVE PROJECTS THAT REQUIRE VARIOUS AGENCIES. THE, THE FEDERAL, THE STATE, THE COUNTY, AS WE KNOW, THE COUNTY HAS JURISDICTION OVER TRANSPORTATION, EVEN WITHIN CITIES. SO AT SOME POINT THEY WOULD NEED TO SANCTION THIS SOLUTION. UM, IT, EVERYTHING STARTS WITH, ESPECIALLY THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS WITH FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS. NOW THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE TO MY KNOWLEDGE IN ANY GREAT DEPTH, AT LEAST NOT IN MANY YEARS. OVER A DECADE AGO, IT WAS DONE BY THE TPO, WHICH FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LIMITED MARKET, LIMITED UTILITY FOR THAT TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY HERE. AND THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO WHEN THE TPO DID THAT. NO, LIKE 10, LIKE I THINK IT WAS 2017 OR 16. SO ABOUT 10. OKAY. AND I'M LOOKING, SOMEONE SAID THANK YOU MATT . UM, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS THE, THE, BASED ON THE RESULTS OF THE EVALUATION, THREE TRANSIT MODES WERE NOT RECOMMENDED TO ADVANCE FOR FURTHER ANALYSIS IN THE TIER TWO EVALUATION, ONE OF WHICH IS AERIAL CABLE TRANSIT DUE TO LOW CAPACITY AND SPEED. SO LIKE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, COMMISSIONER, LIKE, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, RANK ON YOUR ITEM, BUT YOU ARE. YEAH. BUT IT'S JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF, LIKE, THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED AT, AT A, AT THE TPO 10 YEARS AGO. [01:20:01] Y YEAH. AND . BUT IT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA CHANGE CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT IT'S GONNA HAVE P YOU KNOW, LOW RIDERSHIP. IT'S VERY SLOW COMPARED TO A METRO MOVER. YOU KNOW, I I, I WOULD, I WOULD RATHER SEE A METRO MOVER OR A LIGHT RAIL THAT CAN HAVE MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK BETWEEN THE MAINLANDS ON THE TUTTLE THAN A GONDOLA SYSTEM. YOU, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I, YOU KNOW, JUST, RIGHT. I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA PUT OUR BANDWIDTH TOWARDS SOMETHING, AT LEAST PUT IT TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT CAN ACTUALLY HAPPEN. NOT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY MEANT FOR A MOUNTAINOUS REGION. IT'S, IT'S NOT EXACTLY FOR MOUNTAINOUS REGION, BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT WHAT IF THE, THE METRO MOVER WAS BY THE WAY, TRIPLE THE COST WAY. AND I JUST DID A, A QUICK AI SEARCH AND, AND I, I SAID, LOOK, IS THE GONDOLA IN, IN NEW YORK PROFITABLE? AND IT SAYS, NO, THE TRAMWAY OPERATES AT A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT. SO IT, YOU ALSO HAVE TO, NOT YOU, BUT I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN EVEN IF WE BUILD IT, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF COST TO MAINTAIN AND RUN IT. AND YOU SAID THAT, WELL, IF IT WORKS, IT WORKS. IF IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T. I, I, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO TAKE THAT GAMBLE ON SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA EASILY COST HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. I'D RATHER DO IT ON SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE LET'S SAY EFFICIENT AS, AS SOMETHING THAT IT CAN WORK. AND IT'S ALREADY WORKING SORT OF IN THE CITY OF MIAMI. BUT GONDOLA SYSTEM, I THINK, LOOK, , IF YOU WANNA, IF YOU WANNA PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER FOR A LIGHT RAIL BETWEEN THE CITIES ON THE TUTTLE, I MEAN, I, I WOULD BE MUCH MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. BUT I DON'T THINK ANYONE WANTS TO SEE, YOU KNOW, JUST SOMETHING THAT GOES LIKE SEVEN MILES PER HOUR, YOU KNOW? WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAST THEY GO. I THINK NICK, NICK IS HERE. HE, YOU KNOW, HE'S, I MET WITH HIM YESTERDAY AGAIN. CAN WE ALLOW HIM TO CALL A COMMENT OR, YEAH, LISTEN, I MEAN, AND LOOK, AND, AND ANOTHER THING, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THIS UNTIL, UH, NICK CAME AND STARTED COMING TO OUR COMMITTEES, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW IT'S ON AN AGENDA. AND I'M HAVING TO, WELL THIS WASN'T ON THE AGENDA LONG BEFORE NICK. I DIDN'T EVEN, LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HIM. I DON'T KNOW HOW HE GOT INVOLVED IN THIS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. THIS IS SOMETHING, SO THIS IS IN DISNEY. IT WORKS IN DISNEY. I DON'T KNOW HOW FAST THEY CAN GO. UM, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS A GREAT LONG TERM PLAN FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IN MIAMI BEACH. WE'RE COMMISSIONER, WE'RE NOT A THEME PARK. AND THAT MIGHT WORK IN DISNEY, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WORKS. IT WORKS IN A IN MIAMI. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT A THEME PARK. AND LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A SOLUTION FOR PUBLIC TRANS TRANSPORTATION AND ALSO A TOUR ATTRACTION. 'CAUSE THOSE VIEWS WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL. AND THAT'S WHY IT WORKS IN ROOSEVELT ISLAND IN NEW YORK, YOU KNOW. BUT AGAIN, I I I RESPECT YOUR, YOUR HESITANCIES. I, I REALLY DO. OKAY. UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU, YOU KNOW, BUT LET ME, CAN WE JUST HEAR FROM THIS GUY? SURE. COMMISSIONER SUAREZ. YEAH. EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING IS COMPLETELY ACCURATE. A TRADITIONAL GONDOLA SYSTEM THAT IS IN DISNEY IS IN AROUND THE WORLD, WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE AS SHOWN IN THE REPORT THAT YOU JUST READ FROM, UM, WHAT I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR MY COMPANY, CHARIOT LIVING, I PARTNERED WITH SWIFT CITIES THAT CAME OUTTA PROJECT SWIFT AT GOOGLE. THIS IS A NETWORK OF SMALL AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES THAT OPERATE IN AN ELEVATED GUIDEWAY I AM PUTTING TOGETHER. SO IT'S LIKE A GONDOLA? NO, IT LOOKS LIKE A GONDOLA, BUT THE ROPE DOESN'T MOVE. IT HAS ITS OWN BATTERY PACK. IT HAS. ITS OKAY. WELL, YEAH, YOU'RE, IT HAS ITS OWN ELECTRIC MOTOR. YOU TELL IT WHERE YOU WANT TO GO ON A SMARTPHONE. CAN YOU DO THAT WITH A GONDOLA? NO. SO ARE WE GONNA SEE A BUNCH OF CABLES IN THE SKY? BECAUSE IT, I'M SURE THERE'S LIKE A BE A NETWORK. MUCH, MUCH, YES. THERE HA THERE IS A VISUAL IMPACT, BUT IT IS MUCH, MUCH SMALLER. AND, AND THAT'S, THAT IS WHAT, SMALLER THAN WHAT? WELL THEN A TRADITIONAL GONE, THESE, THESE, THE, THOSE ARE TOWERS, LIKE HUGE TOWERS, 30, 50, A HUNDRED FEET IN THE AIR. THESE ARE, BUT DO YOU CONTROL WHERE YOU'RE GOING ON A, ON LIKE A SMARTPHONE? IF THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO GO, THERE'S ONLY ONE. THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF IT. IT HAS, IT'S, IT'S THE PATENTED CABLE TO RAIL DESIGN. SO IT GOES ON IT, IT CAN, IT CAN, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE TALKING LIKE 25, 30 MILLION A MILE COMPARED TO 150 COMPARED TO A BILLION DOLLAR MILE FOR THE METRO MOVER. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COST. UM, SO IT CAN GO TRAVEL ON A CABLE AND THEN IT GOES INTO A, INTO A RAIL, WHICH IT CAN GO THIS WAY, IT CAN GO THAT WAY. IT COULD DO A U-TURN, IT COULD COME DOWN TO STREET LEVEL, LIKE A BUS STOP IT. IT'S REVOLUTIONARY. YEAH. AND IT'S HAPPENING. SO I GET IT. BUT YOU'RE GONNA NEED A LOT, LOT OF CABLES IN THE SKY TO DO THAT, RIGHT? [01:25:02] AGAIN, YOU WILL NEED TO PUT LIKE STREET POLE TYPE OF SIZE POLES AND CONNECT THEM WITH A CABLE. YES, YOU WILL. AND THAT IS WHERE YOU NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO PUT IT IN. BUT THE VISUAL IMPACT IS MUCH, MUCH LESS THAN, THAN ANYTHING OUT THERE. AND IT IS HAPPENING. UH, WE HAVE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH, I MEAN WE'VE DONE WORK IN IRVINE, ANAHEIM, WHEN I SAY WE, MY COMPANY, CHARIOT LIVING IS PARTNERED WITH SWIFT CITIES. SWIFT CITIES HAS THE LICENSE TO DEPLOY. WHOOSH. THE PRODUCT HERE IS CALLED WHOOSH. IT IS, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO RIDE IT. THE, THE, THE, THERE HAVE BEEN QUARTER SCALES DONE AT GOOGLE, UH, QUARTER SCALE IN NEW ZEALAND. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? AT GOOGLE? I'M ASSUMING YOU MEAN LIKE THE CAMPUS, RIGHT? EX GOOGLE HAD A PROBLEM RIGHT BEFORE COVID. THEY WANTED, MAYBE THEY WANTED TO COMPETE WITH APPLE, THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING COOL WITH THEIR CAMPUS. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BUILD A $700 MILLION PARKING SPOT AS WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT PARKING SPOTS. I MEAN, IT'S ALL, IT'S EVERYTHING'S CAR BASED. I AND NICK, I I UNDERSTAND WHAT MIGHT WORK FOR SORT OF A, YOU KNOW, COMPANY LIKE GOOGLE OR FACEBOOK THAT MAY WORK. IF YOU NEED TO GO FROM ONE BUILDING TO THE NEXT AND NO, WE'RE TALKING 10 MILE. OH, THE, THE, THE SWEET SPOT IS DISTANCES UNDER 10 MILES. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD THEORETICALLY, AND IT WILL, I MEAN, YOU COULD GET IN A, LIKE YOU GET A LITTLE MICRO CONNECTIONS TO GET YOU AROUND THE ISLAND. SO HOW MUCH IT'S IN THERE, HOW MUCH ARE WE TALKING? WELL, NOTHING. I'M PUTTING TOGETHER A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. BIG NEWS. KOBE CARP WANTS TO DESIGN THE STATIONS MIAMI VIBE. I'M TALKING TO SOME OF THE TOP DEVELOP DEVELOPERS HERE IN MIAMI. I'M SORRY. OKAY. YEAH, I GUESS. OKAY. I THINK, I THINK KOBE'S LEGENDARY. SO WE, YEAH. SO I'M, I'M GAINING TRACK. I AM DOING A PRESENTATION TO THE TPO AND I WILL, I GUESS I WILL SEE YOU THERE NOVEMBER 16TH AND THE NEW AND EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES. I'M MEETING, I'M MEETING WITH STACEY MILLER, MEETING WITH DANIEL ILAS. I'M MEETING WITH GELATO. I'M MEETING, I'VE, WE'VE MET WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR AND THERE, AND I HOPE THAT HE COMES UP AND TALKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROMISE THAT THIS, THAT THIS COULD HAVE FOR HERE. BUT THIS IS, SO NICK, WHY WAS IT, WHY WAS IT, UM, WHY WAS IT DECLINED IN THE PAST JUST ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO? IT'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE. THESE ARE, THAT'S A HUGE GONDOLA. IT'S HANGING IN THE AIR THAT'S JUST ON A MOVING ROPE WITH LIKE 15. SO HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY FIT INTO A CAR? WAIT, LIKE A CAR? IT'S FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE. SO THEY, OUR SITE A WHOOSH VEHICLE'S ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE PEOPLE. SO IF YOU CAN PUT IN FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE AND YOU WANNA MOVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, THOUSAND, YOU'RE GONNA NEED HUNDREDS OF CARS. AND SO IF I LOOK UP AT THE SKY, I'M GONNA SEE HUNDREDS, I'M GONNA SEE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, NOT AT THE SAME TIME. EVERY, IF IT'S, IF IT'S RUNNING AT FULL, FULL SPEED, 30 MILES AN HOUR, BOOM, BOOM. EVERY EVERY SECOND OR TWO. IF IT'S RUNNING AT, IF, IF IT'S RUNNING AT FULL CAPACITY, 3000 PEOPLE PER HOUR PER DIRECT, PER LINE, PER DIRECTION, YOU CAN DOUBLE STACK THEM AND ADD MORE CAPACITY WHEN YOU NEED TO. WHAT DO YOU MEAN DOUBLE STACK THEM? I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE A LINE AND BECAUSE IT'S SO SMALL, YOU COULD JUST PUT ANOTHER LINE ON TOP, ADD MORE CAPACITY. IT'S LIKE ADDING MORE, MORE SERVERS, YOU MEAN, YOU MEAN ANOTHER LINE ABOVE THE, THE CURRENT, YEAH. OR NEXT TO IT, OR IT, IT, IT'S SO SMALL. IT'S A MICRO FOOTPRINT COMPARED TO WHAT, WHAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY, . SO HOW ABOUT, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU GUYS MEET? YEAH, LET'S MEET, YOU KNOW, LET, LET ME INTRODUCE YOU TEAM, AND IF YOU DON'T, LIKE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE IT. I MEAN IT'S COOL. I, I MEAN LISTEN, I, I'M SORRY. I JUST LOOK, I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW. I FEEL LIKE I'M ON THE EPISODE OF THE SIMPSONS HERE. AND IS THIS IS JUST, YEAH, THIS IS NOT THE, THE MONORAIL EPISODE OF THE SIMPSONS. YES. THAT'S AN EASY, THAT FEELS LIKE I'M ON THE EPISODE OF THE SIMPSONS DISCUSSING THIS. AND LOOK, I WANNA, I WANNA BE NOT LIKE I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL AND, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I KNOW THIS WOULD PROBABLY COST BALLPARK A HALF A BILLION DOLLARS, RIGHT? HALF BALLPARK. ABSOLUTELY NOT. OKAY, WELL WE'VE ALREADY, WE, YOU, YOU COULD, YOU COULD CONNECT DOWNTOWN MIAMI, UM, TO MIAMI BEACH AND HAVE A CIRCULAR ALL THROUGHOUT MIAMI BEACH FOR $150 MILLION THAT IT'S INC INCLUDING THE VEHICLE COST. I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE PRIVATE OWNERSHIP IN THIS. AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE. SO YOU COULD OWN A CHARIOT THAT YOU COULD, IT'S LIKE A TOLLWAY, LIKE THE WHOLE ECONOMICS. THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT. IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT WITH $150 MILLION. I WOULD RATHER INVEST IN LIKE, YOU'RE NOT ROBUST. EXCUSE ME. A, A ROBUST FERRY SYSTEM ON THE WATER BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S THERE. AND LISTEN, UM, LIKE I'M, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PUBLIC, THIS IS THIS, THIS, THIS WOULD COST YOU NOTHING. WE WANT TO PUT TOGETHER A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. AND THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE PAID FOR. SO HOW, SO EXPLAIN THE PRIVATE PART. HOW WOULD THE PRIVATE SECTOR PAY FOR THIS AND CONTINUE TO [01:30:01] PAY FOR IT IF THE RIDERSHIP IS LESS THAN EXPECTED? WHAT HAPPENS? YOU START SMALL, YOU START SMALL, AND THEN YOU, YOU GROW THE NETWORK. THAT'S WHAT'S BEAUTIFUL ABOUT IT. I DON'T THINK SMALL IS POSSIBLE CONSIDERING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A MAIN LAND. WE COULD, FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD START IN THE, IN ON PRIVATE LAND. WE COULD START IN THE, IN THE, IN THE PARKING LOT OF AVENTURA MALL. SHOW THAT IT WORKS AND HAVE IT SPREAD IT. IT'S MODULAR. YOU DON'T, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU LIKE A TRADITIONAL CONGO WHERE YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE SPOT, ANOTHER SPOT, AND YOU SHUTTLE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. AND IT MAKES SENSE. AND THIS IS WHERE YOU START SMALL, YOU, YOU DEVELOP RIDERSHIP. YOU, YOU WORK OUT THE KINKS AND YOU ITERATE AND IT, AND IT, IT, IT GROWS. IT'S LIKE A TREE. SO RESPECTFULLY, I DO WANT YOU GUYS TO MEET BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING GOOD CONVERSATIONS AND YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, STILL NOT LIKE IT AFTERWARDS. THAT'S FINE. 'CAUSE YOU'RE ON TPO 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA SEE 'EM AGAIN. UM, BUT THERE'S A MOTION AND THE SECOND ON THE FLOOR. SO CAN WE VOTE ON THIS AND THEN MOVE ON? SO WHAT ARE EXACTLY, ARE WE VOTING ON THE, THE MOTION MADE WAS TO RETURN TO COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY, SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING AND MAKE SURE YOU MEET WITH HIM BEFORE THIS. OH YES. DISCUSSION COMES UP. SO ALL IN ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. AYE. ITEM PASSES. ALRIGHT. I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM FOR THE MEETING. GREAT, GREAT. MEETING ADJOURNED. 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